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Title: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on March 14, 2005, 09:28:34 AM
N.:  You make a good point about these young players getting tired so easily.  The annoying Billy Packer mentions it almost in everyone of his broadcasts.  If a player does get tired, get him out of the game and put in some fresh legs.  If the fatigue continues, the players loses some minutes and must be put on some kind of conditioning regimen.  It just seems like another excuse a losing coach uses in defeat.
Title: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bballspectator on March 14, 2005, 09:45:34 AM
LJK  tired legs not an excuse for kings. york played well and deserved to win and head to final four.
However, if one team expends the energy kings did against a team that is athletic and full courts you all game and another team gets to rest the last 12 minutes of the previous game the night before, one team will have fresher legs than the other.
Its not young kids shouldn't get tired legs, one team had to use more energy than the other in the previous game, so one was not as rested as the other
Perhaps the correct wording should be Kings had more tired legs than york  most obvious evidence was kings 46% shooting from foul line and struggle from trey land. those shots all about legs
York played impressive and deserved to win that game, kings did not. congrats york
Title: MAC Freedom League
Post by: William Wallace on March 14, 2005, 12:27:53 PM
Have any of you ever played a college basketball game before??  Or even a high school basketball game for that matter??  Fatigue is definitely an issue and 20 year olds do get tired.  Now, it's definitely not an excuse, especially if both teams played the night before.  But it does happen and it is definitely a factor.  Playing in a tough, physical college game can leave you feeling like you can't get out of bed the next day.
Title: MAC Freedom League
Post by: d-mac on March 14, 2005, 05:22:50 PM
Tired legs might have been one thing... but how about arms. Kings shot 46% from the FT line... including a 2-8 (I think) performance from the team's best shooter - Horgan.

The team was tired... but York was disciplined. However, York did not play their best game at all. I have seen them in one of their two loses and in a a bunch of their wins... that was the first time I was disappointed a little in their play. However, they still got what they needed to do done.

Congrats to Kings for representing the MAC Freedom and the region well. They were a very good team.
Title: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on March 14, 2005, 10:17:32 PM
WW, BBall, LJK, DMAc,

I stick to my original thoughts:
Kings lost to York because:
1)York is probably the better team
2)JP had precious little time to prepare for this game
3) Kings did not execute.

Of those three, I reiterate my point that Kings had three players (Sobo, JC and Moore) who may have played their best games all on the same night.
That didn't happen on Saturday.

Naismith
Title: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Bob Ziadie on March 15, 2005, 02:58:36 PM
d-mac:

Perhaps York did not play its best game because King's had something to do with that.  King's certainly did not play their best game either, and York gets credit for that as well. That is happens when good teams play each other - they make things more difficult  and that is why a game like that is never easy.

The one thing nobody is mentioning here is that York made a strategic move in the second half which made a big difference in the game and that was to go with a smaller lineup.  Despite York's big advantage in size, King's contolled the paint and thus the tempo of the game.  

York's coach, to his credit, made the adjustment and went much smaller in the second half  and that additional quickness and athleticsm affected the game right from the first possession of the second half.  

King's did get tired. They were a step slower defensively and many shots were banging off the front of the rim. York's increased pace contributed to King's fatigue and all the credit goes to York, especially their coach who made an adjustment which worked well.

I thought York was an excellent team and was VERY impressed in seeng them againt WPI Friday night.  They play very well as a team and like King's, are extremely unselfish. It was good to watch two teams play selfless basketball. I think York was a tad deeper on the bench and that factored in as well.  King's played their hearts out and left nothing on the floor, its wasn't enough and that is part of the game.

Naismith, I thought Soboleski played very well against York, posting 13 points and eight rebounds with two blocks. He may have had his best game againt Ramapo, but his play against York was one of the reasons the Spartans went small in the second half.
Title: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on March 15, 2005, 10:49:20 PM
Bob,

I agree.  
Sobo was a force the entire tournament.
I simply meant that collectively those three players had their 'best' games against Ramapo.

I don't think they played as well 'collectively' against York.

I heard the York game on radio. It certainly sounded like Sobo was a force once again.

And that's an excellent point on the York 2nd half adjustments.  Looking down their bench Fri. nite, though, I didn't see too much small....lol.

Naismith
Title: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on March 16, 2005, 09:37:28 AM
How come York's 2nd half smaller subs weren't "tired" from playing so many minutes in Friday nights game?  From what I understand, York rested its starters a good portion of that game.  Did the less tired team or the better team win?  Does King's win if they are well rested?  Back to backs are tough, but thats the way the tournament  
is set up, and it is the same for all the teams.  With hardly any time to analyze your opponent for Sat's game, Coaching game adjustments become crucial, and it sounds like the Coach of York did an outstanding job in that regard.
Title: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on March 19, 2005, 04:01:40 AM
York gets smoked tonight.  Oh well... kinda saw this one coming.  Congrats to UWSP.
Title: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Bob Ziadie on March 21, 2005, 04:17:42 PM
LJK:

From Wednesday, March 16.....

"Did the less tired team or the better team win? Does King's win if they are well rested?"

No one will ever now either answer, but the fact remains that the team that played better than night (York) won the game.  That is all that really matters.

CJ:
Looks like UWSP smoked everyone......and without their starting point-guard.  That must be one NASTY team.
Title: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Matthew Burdett on March 23, 2005, 02:31:34 PM
Just a quick thought to bite on:  I just saw the Division 3 All-American team and I was surprised to not see Brian Horgan's name anywhere.  I would think that Horgan would rank with the Top 20 or 25 players in the country.  Was hoping to see him get the nod.  
Upset Special of the NCAA:  Wisconsin-Milwaukee over Illinois.  Just a hunch.
Title: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on March 24, 2005, 01:17:14 PM
MB:  Horgan was named to the National Association of Basketball Coaches III All American Team as a third team selection.
Title: MAC Freedom League
Post by: swish on March 25, 2005, 11:51:38 AM
LJK- Can you tell me where to find the link for the all-American team. I went on the NABC site but the most recent list is from 2003-04.
Title: MAC Freedom League
Post by: William Wallace on May 11, 2005, 10:48:38 AM
this board sucks wanker
Title: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Adam Burdett on May 12, 2005, 06:59:08 AM
Once again, the Williamsport area dazzles us with some intelligent conversation.
Title: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on May 12, 2005, 07:17:11 AM
Yes, as 'twas yesterday, so it is today. Sad.
Title: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Eric L. Powell on May 12, 2005, 10:24:07 AM
Yes, I agree! At the very least, they could regale us with tales of their feats on the golf course - like holes-in-one!
Title: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Adam Burdett on May 20, 2005, 09:14:16 PM
Well, if you'd like me to tell my hole in one story again, I will, but I'd rather not have Colonel John comment on how he didn't know that the hole I acheived the feat on was recently paved.
Title: MAC Freedom League
Post by: William Wallace on June 02, 2005, 09:16:19 AM
At least I struck up a mini conversation.
Title: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Ned Flanders on June 02, 2005, 08:22:50 PM
Any recruiting news? Which one of you losers is going to start the Wilkes BBall Super Blog to keep us informed on MAC Freedom updates over the summer? I'm looking your way Colonel John.
Title: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on June 08, 2005, 03:21:55 PM
Ned: Next time you're with Homer...have him give us a Kings update...I think he's an alumnus.
Title: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Bob Ziadie on June 14, 2005, 10:20:16 AM
Saratoga:

Here is some information on three incoming King's kids I have stuff on thus far.  Take it for what its worth - high school stats or honors don't necessarily mean anything one way or the other.

Ian Gilmartin - Pittston Seton Catholic - 6-6, 200 - forward
Averaged 20.8 ppg and 12.0 rebs.
Three-time Wyoming Valley Conference all-star, WVC Division III MVP as a senior.

Sean Kelly - Sullivan West High School  
Lake Huntington, NY - 6-0, 185
Combo Guard, 41-inch vertical leap.
Averaged 15.9 points, 5.8 rebounds, 2.8 assists
Two-time Middletown, NY Times Herald all-star
Small high school, played out of position at forward as he was actually one of biggest kids on team and jumped very well.

Eric Krawawecz - St. Augustine Prep in Richland, NJ
6-1, 180 - shooting guard - 5.2 ppg, 31 three-pointers.
Sixth man and three-point shooting specialist on one of the traditional top programs in NJ. St. Augustine is a program consistently producing D-I players.  He was the first guard off the bench, playing behind two D-I scholarship recruits his senior year. One guard going to Rutgers, the other Monmouth. Team won one state title and three conference titles in his three years on varsity.  Former King's center Dave Marks played there and played behind three D-I post players during his career.  Would be fair to say he is an unknown commodity as he averaged around 13 minutes of playing time per-game. The St. Augustine coach told me he is an excellent three-point shooter with range. Time will tell.

I know there is a 6-8 kid coming in who is probably a year away and a very athletic, quick 6-0 transfer point guard who is expected to contribute right away but do not have any information on them at this point.
Title: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on June 14, 2005, 03:23:52 PM
Thanks for the updates Bob...I thought Gilmartin was heading north on Rt.81...guess he made a wrong turn somewhere near Dupont and is currently in a southbound lane.
Title: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dauofs on June 16, 2005, 10:12:37 PM
More importantly at the moment , how did a kid from scranton get selected by the new york mets in the draft?
Title: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on June 17, 2005, 02:21:53 PM
It's called "projection". You can't teach size(6'5") or 90+ mph. fastballs. What you can teach is how to pitch & not just "throw". Plus, the kid has virtually zero arm-wear so it's easy to take a chance in the 30th. round & hope for the best. Teach him a drop or slider that can be spotted, how to hit spots & develop a change that he can throw with confidence on 2-0 counts & who knows, he may end up like a kid from Wilkes did a few years back...in the Big Show.
Title: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 17, 2005, 08:02:02 PM
The Wilkes "kid" is still there. :-)

http://snap.stats.com/premium/sfa/stats/playerstats.asp?id=6905
Title: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Bob Ziadie on June 20, 2005, 02:50:21 PM
Kevin Gryboski is still bringing it for the Braves as a relief pitcher. Did anyone see the miraculous one-handed catch he made yesterday as his head was nearly torn off by a line drive. I am not sure I have ever seen a greater act of self preservation in my life. He should be in the hospital but somehow got his bare hand up while divng to the ground and the ball wound up in his bare hand. He may have been killed if that ball hit him in the head.
Title: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on June 26, 2005, 01:12:36 AM
Just a routine play for a Wilkes pitcher, they practice that very play every day.
Title: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Bob Ziadie on June 27, 2005, 11:33:07 AM
Yeah, I believe it.   Former Wilkes pitcher Don Shaw is a good friend of mine and I always thought he may have taken a shot or two to the head - now I know that probably rings true   ;-)
Title: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Adam Burdett on July 04, 2005, 05:37:10 PM
Just wanted to congratulate Jerry Rickrode, head coach of the Wilkes Colonels.  I read in out local newspaper that Jerry scored a hole in one at Sand Springs golf course recently.  (This is usually the point where Colonel John mentions that he didn't know that hole was paved)  Now, unlike my feat on a par four, Jerry's was only on a par 3.  So Jerry, if you want some tips on making that hole in one a little longer next time, let me know.  Anyway, congratulations Coach.
Title: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on July 26, 2005, 12:37:48 PM
Recently graduated LVC player J.D. Byers has signed on as a graduate assistant at FDU-Florham.
Title: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dauofs on August 03, 2005, 08:18:15 PM
Incoming Royals:

-- Paul Biagioli F 6-5 190 Fr. Waverly, Pa./Abington Heights  
-- Ryan FitzPatrick G 6-3 180 Fr. Berwyn, Pa./Conestoga  
-- Brendan Fuller F 6-6 195 Fr. Alexandria, Va./Bishop Ireton  
-- Paul Hawk F 6-8 190 Fr. Audubon, Pa./Methacton
Title: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Adam Burdett on August 14, 2005, 03:45:00 PM
6-8, 190.  Hope the air conditioner in the Long Center isn't blowing too hard or this kid will keep falling down.
Title: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on August 16, 2005, 02:47:32 AM
Huh... forgot this place existed.  I saw a pre-season Eagles game on TV tonight, and thought back to the glory days of 2004 when I was able to watch an Eagles pre-season game with various luminaries in Annville.

A Scranton recruit is 6'8" 190?  If I know Freedom players with those kind of dimensions, most of that 190 comes from his ears. ("When tax time comes around, I think he could claim those ears as dependents." -Adam Burdett)

Warren, thanks for the update on JDB.  Any chance he could call our boy Dave Jannuzzi and get a 5th season of eligiblity?  Only that, or out and out cheating circa 1997, could get FDU to the Big Dance.

Bob - Thanks for the update on recruits.  King's gets a Seton grad, and just in time!  I still have a few more seasons of Seton Catholic venom, and Scranton was about to graduate their lone Eagle alum. (Speaking of lanky oafs claiming their ears as dependents...)  

Huh, Jerry Rickrode shoots a hole-in-one.  How about that one?  I forget, was that the hole with the lighthouse or the windmill??
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: admin on August 16, 2005, 04:47:11 AM
This is a test of the emerging posting system. This is only a test.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on August 17, 2005, 01:48:14 AM
I could get to like this new board.  The "smite" button will be clutch the moment any King's fan (without the initials BZ) says a damn thing...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Tim Flynn on August 18, 2005, 09:00:18 PM
Am I missing something? I don't see where the karma/smiting function is.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 18, 2005, 09:52:13 PM
You have to reach a certain seniority level before you can affect someone's karma.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Tim Flynn on August 19, 2005, 08:01:05 AM
Ahhh. Smart!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on August 19, 2005, 10:20:13 AM
Yes, this way the legendary One-Star Bandit can't smite a good post.

And, Tim, I gave your post some karma.  Enjoy.

(I LOVE the off-season!)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Tim Flynn on August 19, 2005, 11:10:58 PM
I don't know... I'll kind of miss the E-town fansOne-Star Bandit.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on August 20, 2005, 10:25:35 AM
Poor ol' One-Star Bandit. What will he ever do henceforth to entertain himself?
Title: A Royal Transfer
Post by: saratoga on August 28, 2005, 08:18:05 PM
I've just learned that a 6'8" Aussie has transferred into the UofS. Supposidly the very real deal...and the answer to the loss of OD. The first time in many years that the Royals will have an honest inside/outside game. I'm also told that double-doubles will become very common & that the Scranton coaching staff is beyond excited with the entire group of kids coming in.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on August 29, 2005, 05:42:10 AM
A 6'8" kid transferring into the Freedom?  Yeah, I remember that guy.  He was walking around Wilkes's campus, circa 1999, wearing a College of Charleston t-shirt.  He had his map of Wilkes-Barre in his hands, and he looked pretty confused, but he was a mountain of a man.  Would have made a hell of a center.

Either way, Scranton Fan, hope this guy finds your campus.  Most 6'8" alleged transfers aren't the best with directions.  :D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on August 29, 2005, 02:12:45 PM
I heard he was getting into condition by swimming here from Australia.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bman on August 29, 2005, 02:57:36 PM
Would that be by the Australian crawl!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on August 30, 2005, 02:58:02 AM
Absolutely, an Australian center would be the answer for Scranton.  Andrew Bogut, Luc Longley, and now this alleged person. 

Good luck if it happens.  The kids in the Marts Center will be the first ones holding up stuffed kangaroos hanging by nooses.  (Is that even the plural of "noose"??)

Once Scranton gets this guy, they'll have to explain things that will confuse the poor kid.  First off, the water in the toilets will go backwards.  Next, football here is neither soccer nor that Australian game with the two tall posts and the two small posts.  Oh... wait... he's going to Scranton, he won't have to worry about football.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on August 30, 2005, 04:43:12 PM
Are you sure the plural isn't neese?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: dauofs on August 30, 2005, 08:33:04 PM
Quote from: cj4l on August 30, 2005, 02:58:02 AM
Absolutely, an Australian center would be the answer for Scranton.  Andrew Bogut, Luc Longley, and now this alleged person. 

Good luck if it happens.  The kids in the Marts Center will be the first ones holding up stuffed kangaroos hanging by nooses.  (Is that even the plural of "noose"??)

Once Scranton gets this guy, they'll have to explain things that will confuse the poor kid.  First off, the water in the toilets will go backwards.  Next, football here is neither soccer nor that Australian game with the two tall posts and the two small posts.  Oh... wait... he's going to Scranton, he won't have to worry about football.


Hey we might not have a football team, but our field hockey team is awesome ! Sigh.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on September 01, 2005, 01:11:12 PM
All I know is there will be a b-ball player at Scranton from Aussie-land BEFORE the unknown savior shows up at Wilkes from Charleston. After that, only time will tell. Wilkes has a football team???
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bziadie on September 06, 2005, 02:08:43 PM
Saratoga, thumbs up to you, you are a fountain of information. I applaude you.  Seriously......
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bench_legend on September 20, 2005, 02:26:55 PM
Just stoppin in briefly to see whats been goin on, not much I see.  Hope everyone had a good summer, only a few more weeks till things get underway!
Title: Pat Coleman's 10,000th post
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 20, 2005, 02:16:08 AM
Good evening, one and all. This is the memorial Pat Coleman post No. 10,000. Congrats, MAC Freedom board.

I'm here to write about the state of Post Patterns and Posting Up. In seven short years, this message board has gone from out of control to totally wacky. And I love it.

How else would fans from opposing teams get to know each other and share ... well, let's just say it, beers, rather than insults, at your local tailgate?

How else would we "find out" which team is planning on starting a five-guard lineup against a key conference opponent?

How else would we learn that I hate any of about 100 schools in Division III? (That's true, right?) Also, that I am biased towards about 100 schools? And a lot of names are on both lists, people.

How else would we know that St. John's students have an unhealthy relationship with puppies and kittens?

And when is that College of Charleston transfer getting here, anyway?

When this place started, I had to go through every night and delete old posts by hand so it wouldn't overload the server. (Hey, it was free software, all we could afford.) Then we splurged and bought the "pro" version, which did that for us. And then we found free software that did all that and more.

When we started the message board, getting 2,000 visits was nearly a record for a day. Now it's a disappointing hour.

When the board first debuted, it was a madhouse. SIDs were posting under fake names (anyone remember Dub-C or Master P?), and you know that coaches were too.

Other great moments include an MIAC player posting something on the board, realizing his e-mail address was visible, then posting message after message of filler text to try to get the post to scroll off. Or the entire school's posting population who took me to task (in varying forms of the English language) for predicting their team would get upset in the NCAA Tournament. (They did, in their first game.) Or the coach who basically insulted the entire board for his conference.

Of course, people still think that message board traffic drives the majority of our ad revenue. But that just isn't true. Industry-wide, message boards provide some of the worst ad revenue available. Who's clicking on an ad to leave a message board? Hmm, yeah.

And yet after seven years, some people can't learn. We still have people logging in, saying they're a fan of one team, when posting from another school's e-mail account. (Seriously – happened in the past two hours.) We still have people trying to register with fake e-mail addresses. (Uhm, let's think this over logically. If the password comes by e-mail, how am I going to access it at that fake e-mail account?) We still have PEOPLE POSTING IN ALL CAPS! WHAT'S THAT ABOUT?

So here's to another decade of Division III coverage. Seriously. Let's do it all again. And let's practice safe posting.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.d3hoops.com%2Fimages%2F1990s%2Fpostup99.gif&hash=31949fab2d629b7eabeec36accb33e09312724f4)
Title: Re: Pat Coleman's 10,000 Post! :)
Post by: diehardfan on October 20, 2005, 02:36:29 AM
Wanted to be the first to say...

Congrats Pat!!!! :) :) :)

God bless you for posting 10,000 times, and running these sites in addition to working full time, being a husband, and raising adorable children. As my good buddy Nitzche always liked to say (cause you know, all Christians love Nitzche)... "that which does not kill is makes us stronger."  :D

Cheers! 

PS. I can't believe you didn't add you yelling at me for not looking at the front page that one time, or me nagging you about Kalsow as some of your favorite memories! Oh wait, yes I can!  :D
Title: Re: Pat Coleman's 10,000th Post
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 20, 2005, 05:43:58 AM
Congratulations to Pat and the D3sports family!

You have made it possible for Division III athletics to have a very big impact on the lives of its collective fans.  The rate of growth is still accelerating, and you have focused the synergies of 400-plus institutions to make each of those institutons more visible and more credible.  This site tells the stories of the hallowed "Student-athlete" better and more frequently than any other.

We give thanks to you, your "lovely bride" and to your family for the sacrifices and contributions that each has made.  You have certainly brought us enjoyment, educaton and entertainment.

One question please...is there any significance to your posting your 10,000th on the MAC Freedom message board as opposed to any other one?  Thanks! :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on October 20, 2005, 09:42:49 AM
Wow.

1. Congrats Pat on Post #10,000.  ;D 

2. It's a honor to have such a momentous post on this very board.  As for WHY this board - it's simple.  Kicking Jags off of D3Hoops 74 times, deleting William Wallace's obscenities roughly 125 times, and the College of Charleston transfer - we put Pat over the top.  That, and we gave him Pizza, and Summits thereof.  Thrice.  (Unless, Pat bought.  Then he gave us pizza.  Thrice.)

3. Scranton still sucks.  Figured I'd take such a big moment to remind everyone of that.
Title: Re: Pat Coleman's 10,000th Post
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 20, 2005, 09:45:02 AM
There is a significance, actually. The MAC Freedom board's precursor was the first conversation ever started on Posting Up.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: nedflanders on October 23, 2005, 07:52:02 PM
I'm liking this no fangled internets that posting up is using. It took me 20 mins to figure out how to post. Danzig hired me to do some recruiting in central Europe for da U. You'll know how its going when Scranton gets a verbal from the next Rik Smits.

And yes, Im kidding.

Where have you gone swami, a nation turns its lonley eyes to you. Woo woo woo.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach C on October 26, 2005, 08:32:38 PM
Pat -

I just noted that you had made your now somewhat dated 10000th post.  Congratulations to you for all that you have done for this sport and for Division III athletics. 

I have been honored to be part of many a flame war on these boards and who has seen his share of the little red dots obscuring words I should not have typed.  I must say from my experience, it is altogether fitting and proper that the milestone post should come on the board that in its heyday caused more problems for Pat than just about any other. 

Here's to hoping you find a way to make a living off this thing in the next 10,000 posts.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on October 26, 2005, 08:54:22 PM
I'm glad I can finally put a pic of Bessior in my Avatar.


What no Marywood or Baptist Bible on the schedule for Scranton? Depressing.

Ned remember not to give out too much information on the board, you don't want a Wilkes goon stalking you.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: nedflanders on October 26, 2005, 09:25:30 PM
Is that you DaUofs?

Busy at work?

NOT!!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopzwiz on October 27, 2005, 01:34:12 PM
Freedom League best to worst
Scranton
Wilkes
Kings
DeSales
Lyco
Who cares after that
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on October 28, 2005, 03:25:35 AM
As flattered as I am to see the mighty Colonels above King's, didn't King's go to the Elite Eight last season??  I don't care who they lost to graduaton, King's is the odds-on favorite.  Period.

Scranton still sucks...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on October 28, 2005, 08:58:41 AM
Hey CJ, the only thing Scranton will be "sucking", will be the life out of Wilkes. Things are heating up!!! By the way, congrats Pat...you've developed a great forum for communication at this level...probably exceeded your dreams on some days & exceeded your worst nightmares on others. PS. Wilkes is still a kindergarden!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopzwiz on October 29, 2005, 12:04:56 PM
Kings is still very good but its hard to understand how much better Mr. Horigan made those freshman last year.  He was an elite player that took pressure off of everyone and required every defenders attention leaving other players open.  Who is that guy this year?  Maybe Moore or the transfer.
Wilkes and Scranton are both for real, as talented as anyone in the region outside of maybe York which returns most of there final 4 team.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on October 29, 2005, 12:22:51 PM
Ned the only work I am doing at 8.30pm is D3hoops related.


Kings got a transfer? College of Charleston? Australia? Lackwanna College? Where is he from?




Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: nedflanders on October 29, 2005, 08:19:55 PM
Being out of touch alumni, Sec. J Guy and myself need an unbiased review of da U's team. We go back to the Al Callejas and Mike Reno years so please take it slow.

Are the cheerleaders any better looking or are they still scranton prep graduates?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopzwiz on November 02, 2005, 11:27:59 AM
Da U is loaded, especially in the backcourt.
Sophomore PG Randy Arnold returns and gives them one of the toughest players around.
All-conference wing Darren Cannon is a star in the making.
Solid bench players and recruits make it a deep rotation.
The loss of O'donnell hurts but Bill Burke, Clabby and the Aussie newcomer will be fine.
Word is that 1 or 2 of the freshman look very good including a 6'7" wing player.
Outstanding coaching and increased talent make them a serious contender for top honors in the freedom.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: nedflanders on November 03, 2005, 07:00:05 PM
it sounds like we have the next uofsswami on our hands...

tell me something when we went there a few years ago, there was a guy who would ride the refs pretty badly and sat under the letter J sign under the press box. Is he still there?

And how is the student turn out? It would only be big for the wilkes and kings games at the end of the year.

class of 2003
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on November 07, 2005, 09:35:30 PM
poll:

Wilkes University 52 5
Lycoming College 46 2
The University of Scranton 44 1
DeSales University 37
Delaware Valley College 26
King's College 23
FDU-Florham 20
Drew University 14


Why is Wilkes so high? Del Val ahead of Kings? Pure Craziness.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on November 07, 2005, 11:59:45 PM
"Why is Wilkes so high?"

They pretty much return their starting five.
DeSales graduated most of their starters
Kings graduated three key starters including the player of the year.
Scranton lost their best player to graduation.

As to Wilkes, add a quality recruit or two,  a full training camp for frosh sensation CS plus....
some reportedly improved play from the bench (that was the scrimmage feedback)  and the Colonels looked poised for another Freedom run.

Can't speak to the Royals recruits.
Or any saviors at Kings.
The Monarchs are well coached and always well prepared. They have a couple of nice guards returning and two big men. BH has to be missed. He had range, poise and all the intangibles.

I thought Del Val had a chance to become a playoff team this year if they kept last year's squad intact.
I also see Lycoming as a threat. Pribble returns along with a freshman I can't remember except that he was an excellent player.  Morris?

All teams get tht influx of new blood and a few recruits. Naturally, each team has high hopes....That's why they play the games.

See ya for the opening tip.

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on November 09, 2005, 10:03:37 AM
Picking anyone but King's to win the conference this season is ludicrous.  I referred to last year's squad as "Brian Horgan and a bunch of zeroes" and was admonished by everyone.  Now it's time for the seasoned "bunch of zeroes" to make a name for themselves, and the worst thing we can do is sleep on them.  Elite 8 trips don't happen by accident.

Now, JP Andrejko has a chance to write his name among the MAC Freedom immortals.  The year after Bess's first appearance in the NCAA's, he won the whole thing.  The year after Wilkes's first Elite 8 appearance, they repeated, only to go to the Final 4 two seasons later.  Will JP write his name among the greats to have coached in the MAC Freedom, or remain tied with Roger Kindel at one NCAA appearance?

Taht said, anyone willing to take action on the Kings at Wilkes game on November 30th, the game at Marts last season was decided by 10 points - there's your opening line.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on November 09, 2005, 03:12:42 PM
Wilkes by 13...71-58. Kings has some nice kids that received some great experience last year...but, when things started to get a little close they had Horgan & O'Hora to turn to. They also had Gabrial to run the point & now they must handle all the pressure all the time by themselves...I don't see them being ready to do it that early in the season & at Wilkes. They'll get there...just not that soon. Plus, Wilkes has just about everyone back so I don't see this as a must win for Kings...this is more a perception check of where are we right now & what areas do we really need to improve to put ourselves in position to be there down the stretch. Wilkes may see a far more confident team when they travel a few blocks later in the season.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on November 09, 2005, 11:29:24 PM
CJ,

Apparently you are the Voice of Monarchdom 2005-06.
Is this

Maybe you've been imbibing a bit much at Senunas.
Have you been knighted Sir John --   the Earl of Shuffleboredom???
Enlighten us pray tell, what  has caused this optimism regarding the Scandlonians?

Scrimmages?
Recruits?

Methinks the remnants of the Elite 8 crew play roles rather than
lead....Can it be that Cousart and Crew started a permanent tab for you?

My Delphian view is that they probably will be charter members of the .500 club.

Of course, in the past, my oraclean prognostications have led me to eat a steady diet of broken glass.

However, should Kings win the NCAA's, I will push a peanut around the Scandlon gym..... on my hands and knees .........with my nose ......naked.

Now there is an incentive.

Naismith



Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: loyalroyal on November 10, 2005, 10:49:01 PM
This season in the MAC Freedom should prove interesting for the Royals.  Last season, they went undefeated inside the John J. Long Center, and they even managed to beat King's at King's during the regular season (though they did not win when it counted most).  The key to Scranton lies in their first five games, all of which are on the road.  The 4th and 5th games should prove to be interesting as they will be at Catholic and Lycoming respectively.  If Scranton can build up a head of steam going into their next couple games (after the first five, five of their next six games are at the Long Center), then they might have enough momentum to carry themselves into the playoffs and hopefully the NCAA tournament.  And while the loss of O'Donnell is unfortunate, I think the other members of the team showed they can step up and make plays when necessary.  Also, the recruits seem very promising, so we'll see how this season plays out.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on November 12, 2005, 07:55:00 PM
Who are the most promising Royal recruits?

Inquiring minds would like to know??
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on November 13, 2005, 06:15:17 AM
All of last season, I dismissed all of these role players, and this team danced well into the weekend of the NCAA's.  They proved me wrong.  Until I see otherwise, they are still the team to beat.

As far as Royal recruits, no idea - ask Ned Flanders.  As far as Lady Royal recruits / transfers, I've heard some interesting reports.

Naismith, you won't get the chance to do your peanut trick should King's take it all because Apocalypse will have happened by the time you get to Scandlon.  Mickelson wins a major, the Red Sox and White Sox win in consecutive seasons... old ghosts that give us superstitions can't handle THIS.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on November 16, 2005, 07:23:25 PM
Colonel John talking Lady Royal basketball? Oh baby.

Lock of the Week

Royals 20+ win season and Drew in last place.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on November 17, 2005, 01:08:51 PM
No coincidence that Section J's initials are S.J.  Is that what those letters mean?  I've seen it as a suffix for many U of S Presidents and faculty...

So, Guy S.J. Ill take that Drew bet one up.  Assuming Del Val and FDU are still in the conference, I'll take that bet.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on November 18, 2005, 01:25:48 AM
Any of you guys making the trip to Glassboro, NJ for the Wilkes football playoff game?

I know it's colder weather than you'll find inside the Marts Center, but Coach Sheptock has put together a fun young team that plays hard-nosed football.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach C on November 22, 2005, 10:13:17 AM
cj4l -

What would you do if all 3 of those teasms managed a TIE for last place?

C
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on November 22, 2005, 10:41:32 PM
Bucknell beats the Cuse? Upset City...

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on November 24, 2005, 06:08:46 AM
Wilkes knocked out of the NCAA's in football.  At least they made a good showing and kept it close.  Glad I didn't make the trip - passing it up for the Split Rock "Great Brews of America" festival.  ;D

Colonels basketball is 2-1 after the win over Baptist Bible.  T minus 6 days until the Battle for Public Square renews. 

Bucknell beats the Cuse, not as big an upset as we'd like to believe.  Bucknell did beat Pittsburgh about this point last season, to say nothing of the 14 over 3 shocker in the NCAA's over Kansas.  Besides, Syracuse this year is just Gerry McNamara and a bunch of zeroes.

Coach C - if they managed a tie, I'd use my knowledge of the complex MAC tie-breakers to convince others that I've won the Drew bet.  I believe the tie-breaker in that spot involves a three-sided coin toss by the Burdett Survivor Champion. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on November 24, 2005, 08:10:53 PM
Yes CJL,

Wednesday will give us a clue as to how this season might play out.

Wilkes has a horn of plenty at guard.
The Defenders don't take a minute off. 40 hard minutes. Did expose Wilkes inside as they scrapped and scored inside.
Apparently EW still has a propensity for fouls. DG much improved and frosh SK looks like a player.

Kings Cousart continuing his stellar play. He'll have his hands full against the Colonel quartet but JC is a player. His game stepped up late last season and he played terrific in the NCAA's. Kings still seems to have a strong inside presence and this may give Wilkes some headaches.

Should be interesting.

As for Wilkes football, they had a great year. Played Del Val to a standstill and pretty much handled everyone else.
Rowan is in another league team speed wise and it showed. 


Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: thebear on November 26, 2005, 08:05:23 PM
In the Potsdam game, Wilkes had a huge size advantage.  Walters was killing Potsdam inside, and the guards stopped getting him the ball. 

He's a load for any D-III player with his size and mobility.  All the big men on both sides were in foul trouble, so it could have been the reffing.  Lots of physical post play both ways.

Wilkes looked a step slow getting the ball out to the wings, and they just didn't take (or make) many threes (except for Kable)

Shovlin is a player, but was completely dominated by Ducena both ways.  Ducena lit him up from the arc, and had several nice drives to the hoop.  Shovlin had 7 until he picked up 4 late points in garbage time against the Potsdam newbies.  Ducena et al also forced JS into 7 turnovers.

Wilkes looked a step slow at both ends against Potsdam, perhaps they weren't prepared for anyone to take it to them that hard both ways in the first game.

Kline will be a player.  Goode looked much better against Paul Smiths than he did against Potsdam.  Wilkes guards had trouble getting the ball inside against Potsdam's pressure, and MUCH smaller Potsdam, outrebounded WC 34-25.

I think not having Cardamone's senior leadership and big body hurt Wilkes as well.

While Potsdam was Elite 8 last year, they lost 6 of their top 9 regulars, and while the starters all have some experience, the rest of the roster is a development project, although Dobbs & staff seem to have mined the mother lode of NYC for several athletic wings.  I think Dobbs and his staff deserve a lot of credit for having such a young team ready to play.   

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on November 28, 2005, 07:21:37 PM
Bear,

Thanks for the update.
Take it you attended both games?

Did Potsdam press full court?
Did  they then play zone or man to man?

What about Wilkes?
Were they pressing, zoning or man to man?
What combinations did Wilkes play in the backcourt and what seemed to click the best?
Was the lack of threes because of pressure, poor rotation (if they were zoning), lack of screening (directed at man to man) etc.
You get the drift.

I'm really trying to get a feel for this squad's potential. I am of the opinion that they can go as far as their inside game will take them. I think the backcourt is fine........and deep.

I tend to agree that, when playing a more physical team or one that tests their rebounding, Cardamone has the presence and ability to contribute.

I guess Coach JR will have to pick his spots.

May miss the Kings clash Wed., so if you attend, please give us some of your analysis soon afterward.
You have some well thought out insights.

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: thebear on November 28, 2005, 08:32:19 PM
I was there for the whole Potsdam-Wilkes Game, but knowing it would be a blowout, arrived late 1st half of Wilkes-Paul Smiths game, which if there was a mercy rule in hoops, they would have stopped at 45-1.

Did Potsdam press full court?

Some, but not a great deal

Did  they then play zone or man to man?

Potsdam is pretty much a half-court pressure man-to-man team.  They are long and athletic, and deny everything.

What about Wilkes?
Were they pressing, zoning or man to man?

Wilkes tried pressing, but that plays into Potsdam's athleticism.  Eventually Coach JR realized that pressure was just exposing him to mismatches in the frontcourt. Potsdam shoots the three very well, and positions 1-4 can all handle pretty well and create shots.  Wilkes tried a little zone, but Ducena disabused them of that notion pretty quickly, then they were faced with playing man against a quicker, smaller, more athletic team.

What combinations did Wilkes play in the backcourt and what seemed to click the best?

I thought Kable and Constantine did the best job.  Kable was bombing threes from NBA range, but didn't get many open shots. 

Ducena played 38 minutes for Potsdam, and he had Shovlin tied up in knots (7 turnovers).  He's a smart experienced NYC player who's come through the chairs from reserve to starter, and can play with anyone in D-III.

Gould was in foul trouble, and had 5 turnovers in 21 minutes. He and Potsdam's point guard Bisesi were going hammer and tongs at each other.  I thought Gould lost his cool a little and that may have impacted his play.


Was the lack of threes because of pressure, poor rotation (if they were zoning), lack of screening (directed at man to man) etc.
You get the drift.

I would have to say that Potsdam's pressure really flustered Wilkes and kept them from running much of a set offense.  Every shot they took except for a couple of steals/long rebounds was heavily contested.
Wilkes set plenty of screens, but Potsdam just switched/fought through them at every chance.


I'm really trying to get a feel for this squad's potential. I am of the opinion that they can go as far as their inside game will take them. I think the backcourt is fine........and deep.

Walters had flashes of brilliance.  He's big, mobile, and seems to have decent hands, but the backcourt may be too concerned with their own stats to worry about feeding him.  Goode made almost every shot he took.  The big stat was out of 28 offensive rebound opportunities, Wilkes, with a major size advantage, only grabbed 6 offensive rebounds.  That won't cut it unless you're shooting 50%+.

I think Wilkes has a decent front court for D-III as long as they see the ball from time to time.  When you don't feed your big men, they stop working.  That's true at every level.

I didn't see great guard play from Wilkes, Potsdam has five returnees total, one at each position, and they were able to handle Wilkes, even with the newbies playing 80+ minutes.



As for the next game, unfortunately, as the nickname indicates, I'm a denizen of the far north woods (Potsdam). 

You have some well thought out insights

Thanks - you asked some excellent questions as well.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on November 28, 2005, 09:26:58 PM
Thanks Bear.

I'll have to follow Potsdam this year.
Having seen Shovlin play since high school, it is very rare when someone gets the best of him.

In fact, rumor has it that former DIII player of the year Dave Jannuzzi (also played some tremendous semi-pro and Europe)  couldn't handle CS too well.

Ducena must be a real player.
I'll be watching

Thanks again for the terrific insights.

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on November 28, 2005, 10:31:03 PM
How does the Aussie look ?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ronk on November 29, 2005, 09:39:27 PM
    Only saw 1st half of the Catholic game, but the aussie shows promise. got a few offensive boards and neutralized a good center(Sowden). 
Title: Shovlin vs. Januzzi
Post by: The Authority on November 29, 2005, 10:59:00 PM
Naismith,

As an outsider who is old enough to have seen both Januzzi play and Shovlin play a few times last season, can we please stop with the "Shovlin is the greatest player since sliced bread" talk.

Is he a good player?
Maybe if you consider shooting and offense to be the measure of a good player cause I witnessed him shooting a lot and playing lots of offense.

But for me, I'd like to see a "prime time player" at least care about playing defense...you don't have to be a great defender...but at least act like you want to play on the other end.  And don't give me the "He averages 600 steals per game" talk.

Steals are an overrated stat...I'd rather see how many charges a guy takes, how many points the guy he was guarding had and how many times he helped on defense instead of asking for help after he goes for and misses the steal.

Also don't do your former Colonel (Januzzi) an injustice and compare him to a player who has played 1/2 of a year and lost his only playoff game.  Januzzi was a clutch player who knew how to take over a game and at the same time keep his teammates involved and he won in February/March when the real season starts.

Shovlin has many mountains to climb before we start naming him the next coming.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on November 30, 2005, 03:12:23 PM
Time to see if the Royals are ready for prime time or just hopefuls yet again. If you want to be considered a real good team you need to beat real good teams on the road. Scranton needs to do a far better job at bringing the ball to the hoop & not just living off 20' jump shots as they did vs. Catholic. If they play D with their hands again, Lyco. wins it at the line. The Royals also need a game plan on how to foul the other teams WORST free-throw shooter down the stretch...not their best. Pribble will score his 20 to 25 but make him work VERY hard to do so...the key will be playing at least reasonable D on him, not allowing 2nd. shots & establishing an inside presence which will allow the kickouts to Arnold & Cannon. Knocking off Lyco. in Billport would be a nice early season win...Widener did it, why not the Royals...Scranton:68/Lyco.:64.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on November 30, 2005, 11:03:46 PM
"Shovlin is the greatest player since sliced bread" talk.

Mr Authority:

Please don't misquote me.
I never compared CS to DJ.

DJ plays a bit in some of the local leagues these days and is employed by a
friend of mine.
He played with CS all summer.
They also scrimmaged quite a bit. All I can say is that CS is a load to guard.

Ask Kings tonight if you have any question about CS taking over a game in crunch time.

And if you think CS doesn't play defense, I have a good lasik surgeon all lined up for you....lol


My response to Bear was simply meant as a compliment to the Potsdam point guard Ducena. 

This is the last time I am going to answer all this idiotic nonense that CS isn't this or that. He was conference rookie of the year and his game will do all the talking I am sure.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: LycoWarriorfan on December 01, 2005, 03:32:17 PM
Did anyone go to the Lyco/Scranton game last night??
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on December 01, 2005, 04:05:07 PM
Wilkes 77, King's 76 (OT)

With King's up 9 with 1:45 to play, Shovlin absolutely took over.  What a performance!  The very definition of a clutch player - right there.  And we couldn't have asked for a better game.  First half, Wilkes up 7, King's closes with an 8-0 run.  Second half, King's up 9, Wilkes closes with a 12-2 run.  Amazing.

It's gonna be great when these 2 teams are tied down the stretch this season, and this game becomes a tie-breaker.  There were so many turning points, and every point counted.

Wilkes moves to 3-1, and 1-0 in conference, which is a heck of a lot better than King's at 1-4, and 0-1 in conference, which brings me to my larger point....

Elite Eight, my nuts!  How was this bunch of kids plus like 2 other guys one of the best 8 teams in the nation??!  Brian Horgan and Marty O'Hora aren't Jordan and Chamberlain, people.

Maybe Pat Coleman can answer this trivia question for me.  What is the record for fewest wins following an Elite Eight appearance  You don't say this kind of thing 5 games into a season, but I'm saying it.  1-4?  1-4??!!  Come on!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 01, 2005, 04:21:15 PM
Quote from: cj4l on December 01, 2005, 04:05:07 PM
How was this bunch of kids plus like 2 other guys one of the best 8 teams in the nation??! 

Easy, CJ -- they weren't one of the best eight teams in the nation. They were one of the FINAL eight teams in the nation. You've been following D-III long enough to know there's a difference.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach C on December 01, 2005, 04:49:14 PM
I am not sure they were one of the top 25 teams in the country actually.

C
Title: Wilkes-King's I
Post by: mattie on December 01, 2005, 06:09:13 PM
I am happy to be back in the chat room and even happier that I didn't skip last night's game.  For the most part, the game kinda stunk, especially the first 10 minutes of the 2nd half where the refs tightened things up and neither team could hit a shot.
King's downfall came when they started going to the free throw line with 6 to play and increased their lead to 9 with two to go.  When Wilkes cut into the lead, King's didn't have anyone take a legitimate shot.  Their offense sputtered and a key turnover led to the tie-breaking shot for Shovlin, who played one of the worst games of his career, high school, college or otherwise but once aain showed that you don't give him a chance to beat you because he is one of those few players that can.
Big test at DeSales Saturday.  By the way, there was about 2,800 fans at the game last night, a tremendous crowd considering first league game of the year.  Even worse is the schedule showing that the rematch takes place on Feb. 14th.  Scandlon won't see half of that crowd as everyone gets suckered into blowing their money on love! 
Anyway, great start to the season!  Talk to you again!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on December 01, 2005, 09:43:55 PM
CJ

"Elite Eight, my nuts!  How was this bunch of kids plus like 2 other guys one of the best 8 teams in the nation??!  Brian Horgan and Marty O'Hora aren't Jordan and Chamberlain, people."

O'Hora was a hustling force on the boards with a great team and work ethic. A competitor who is missed but still amply replaced by Sobo. You forget Gabriel Landon--a steady ballhandler with a deadly shot.
Cousart has demonstrated he is ready willing and able to assume that role. Keep in mind, JC did not play most or all of the second half.  Think he might have made even a 1 point difference in regulation?
Horgan---there is no replacing the conference player of the year. Tenacious, rebounds well, scores inside and out, excellent free throw shooter (from 17 feet yet! lol),  anticipates passing lanes and has a nose for the ball.   Yes, the loss of one player can be that big.
What happened in the year that DJ sat out for Wilkes?

Kings has to work in the new players and I am sure JP 's group will continue to improve as the season progresses.

Now, before you and Sr. quaff another of Senunas' finest drafts, please tell me what defensive and offensive sets Wilkes switched to that enabled them to turn the tide. Did they man down the stretch or zone?  Were they clearing a side for CS at the end or was Kings in a "prevent" zone?

I listened to Kings radio for the last 6 minutes and the OT. They were pretty good play by play and not too 'homey'. You could tell they were stunned by CS outburst in the last 2 minutes.

By the way, who were the officials? Seems like Kings spent an awful lot of time on the FT line.  Surprised EW didn't exit via fouls considering that fact. That is why I thought Coach JR might have gone zone.

May head down the pike Sat. Let me know if you are attending. I may need some allies.

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on December 02, 2005, 08:56:37 AM
Pat and Coach C, true, final 8 doesn't mean best 8 (or best 25).  But one of those 8 is still 120 minutes from a shiny trophy made of the finest NCAA wood.  I guess, all off-season, I was looking for validation that the '04-05 King's squad wasn't worthy of being mentioned in the pantheon of '70s-'80s Scranton and mid-'90s Wilkes.  And here we are.

Naismith, you were right about the loss of Jannuzzi hurting Wilkes.  There is, however, a difference between a National POY and a Conference POY.  The next time you compare Brian Horgan to Dave Jannuzzi, remember that.  Forgive the Lloyd Bentsen allusion, but I was an undergrad with Jannuzzi.  I saw that team go 23-2.  And Brian Horgan is no Dave Jannuzzi.

In the 2nd half, when Wilkes wasn't hitting a thing, King's smartly dropped into a zone, essentially allowing the outside gunners to keep gunning.  I caught that.  Admittedly, down the stretch, I got caught up in the game itself and missed the X's and O's.

When Walters got his 4th foul with 6:30 or so left in regulation, I winced.  The next shoe to fall is generally an offensve charge with Walters standing there, arms straight up, shortly before walking to the bench.  When that didn't happen, I was impressed.

DeSales should be a good one, but I won't be there.  Rare that a first semester game means this much. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: LycoWarriorfan on December 02, 2005, 03:05:07 PM
Someone please tell me why Derick Dull is starting for the Warriors??  Why is Kevin Morris not starting?  Or Pat Baylor (even though he is better off the bench).
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach C on December 02, 2005, 03:56:55 PM
cj4l -

just becasue you are in the Final 8 does not mean you are 120 minutes away from The Walnut and Bronze.  Yeah I know the any given night argument, but let's be realistic.

C
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on December 02, 2005, 08:33:45 PM
CJ,

To make myself clear. I wasn't comparing Dave J. to Horgan as far as abilities.
Simply saying that it is tough to replace the best player in the conference.

I spoke to opposing coaches at the NCAA's last year in Ramapo. They all told me how impressed they were with Brian H.

I have seen him in person since he was a frosh.

Kings will struggle to replace him.

My feeling remains  that Cousart will have a breakout year and terrific career.
Haven't heard about the extent of his injury. Certainly hope he is in uniform soon.

I think Kings missed him late in the game when they became more turnover prone and seemed to be struggling in the backcourt.

As far as DeSales, they were beaten pretty handily by Drew. Drew now sports a 3-1 record ....hmmmm. FDU beat Del Val.  Looks like some of the Jersey schools are coming on and may provide unanticipated competition.


Fully expect Wilkes to dominate the DeSales contest.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: MOst7 on December 03, 2005, 01:01:44 PM
cj4l,
from your post from nov 9...please dont put JP in the ranks of Bess & Rickrode, whereby, I would´not Mention JR in the same sentence as Bess...or even F&M`s Robinson...who never won it all either.
Secondly, please...and I say please, don´t even compare the Wilkes run in the 90´s, albeit good, with the Scranton longer run in the 70´s and 80´s...ok ... nuff said.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wilkes72 on December 03, 2005, 07:20:45 PM
 From Desales' athletic page!

WILKES 71  DESALES 68

in case the scoreboard is still overloaded.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: oiler on December 05, 2005, 08:31:39 AM
Scranton (4-1) at The College of New Jersey (4-1)
Monday 7pm

www.scranton.edu/wusr

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on December 06, 2005, 04:39:49 AM
King's beats Delaware Valley (0-2, 0-5) by 5.  Congratulations, the losing streak is over, and you're now 2-4.  Rename them the "Monarch Butterflies" right now.

MOst7 - the larger points in my post were that:
(1) JP is not (yet) in that echelon of MAC coaches, and
(2) Last year's King's squad can't be mentioned in the same breath as all other Elite 8 teams to come from the MAC Freedom.

Don't get me started on G-Robb, but it's true, there are coaches who have rings, and coaches who don't.  That puts Bess in his own class on this board.  Can't take that away from him.  Two rings, 500+ wins, and a purple tux.

Wilkes is 2-0 in conference, and I'm on Cloud Nine.  Feels good approaching the semester break.  Make a mental note - Wilkes has 2 conference wins, both in close games.  Notroiously, over the past few years, this has been a weak spot for Wilkes.  Get into a close game, miss free throws, lose the game.  Against King's, Wilkes was 18 of 26 from the line.  17 of 26, and King's wins in regulation.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gizzard on December 06, 2005, 09:43:37 AM
I predict a Kings repeat this year
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on December 06, 2005, 12:49:41 PM
You may be right...but, I doubt it. I did have high hopes for the Royals this season however, that clanging sound of their shots hitting everything but net last night is still in my head. I wasn't there but did listen to parts of it on the radio & it was ugly! Although they were in Jersey, as the saying goes, they could'nt hit the ocean if they were standing on the beach. Sounded just like the game with Catholic...bomb away, miss...bomb away, miss...fall deeper behind, bomb away, miss & on & on. Sounded like Coll. of Joyze just walked it up, burned 30 seconds, then shot & made a few more than the Royals. Never sounded like Scranton pressed them at all to try & create a little more up tempo & was more than content to watch them nail countless baskets with 5 seconds or less on the clock. With that kind of shot selection & horrendous % of putting shots in, realistically where are the Royals going again this year? MAC Freedom playoffs...1 win, 1 loss & it's over. No at large bid when you don't win these games...the NCAA doesn't get real excited about 40 point wins vs. Drew.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on December 06, 2005, 07:57:25 PM
Toga,

Expecting perfection?

Cj4l you asked about SJ? Go do some research son and put that wilkes degree to work!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on December 06, 2005, 08:39:39 PM
Scoring some points yourself CJ.

I agree that both Kings and DeSales might have been 'lost' causes the past 2 to3 years.
This year's team is developing a real 'identity' of its own.
Kline's playing a much more seasoned game than his freshman status---he is 'as advertised'.
Matt Gould's defense intimidates me and I'm just sitting in the stands!
EW may be the league's top inside player. Certainly his shotblocking and defense are worthy of note.
David Goode isn't Superman but he is able to 'leap and bound'.  Great strides made in his game since last season.......and only a soph.
Constantine is somewhat like a vintage car-----he's got an 'automatic' shot and he is 'clutch'.
Kable is doing his job
Dan Adams is like that Energizer Bunny----he keeps plugging---seems he has brought a lot of energy to the mix. I like that he is now 'finishing' inside.
Cardamone provides 'presence'
And Shovlin-----Conference player of the week---37 points  13 or so assists. A pilferer on defense and much better shot selection.  There is a short list of players that could do to Kings what CS did. (visions of Jay Williams against Cabrini? ...that was s SportsCenter moment if I recall).

If your a Colonel fan CJ, you have to like what you see.

Naismith   
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on December 07, 2005, 03:49:03 AM
Naismith,

LOVING what I'm seeing so far.  Wilkes teams of the past 5 years had the talent to stay on the floor with anyone in the Freedom, but couldn't hit their free throws and/or finish the job.  This team seems to have that ability.

Your assessment of the roster is accurate from the whopping one game I've seen.  Except the one game didn't feature Greg Cardamone, which is a shame.

In the meantime, what happened to the rest of our fair conference?  Scranton held to 42 at TCNJ?  King's with losses to E-town, now both to and fro?  Leb Val over Del Val by 30?  When did the MAC-F become the regional whipping boy?

Guy, SJ - I merely suspect your name is code for suggesting you're a member of The Society of Jesus.  With Gonzaga still in the Top 10, it is a good season for Jesuit hoops.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: phil on December 07, 2005, 09:07:31 AM
...to top it off, in the preseason coach's poll TCNJ was picked 9th of 10 teams in the NJAC.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gizzard on December 07, 2005, 12:43:58 PM
CJ4lf
     You have no basketball knowledge, and i doubt you have ever played in a meaningful grade school/ middle school/ high school/ or college game in your life (maybe intramurals or sumer leagues) but please stop posting up because you have no frame of reference and your out of your element.
     Furthermore, ...nah I'll leave it at that.  Have a nice day and God Bless.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on December 07, 2005, 01:00:08 PM
J Guy: Perfection...not really. Consistent effort, absolutely. Especially when the talk is taking this team well into the tournement...just hope it's not the DeSales Invitational (ECAC) again!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on December 07, 2005, 10:47:10 PM
Gizzard,

If I was grading your post, you would flunk.
You gave no point of reference and provided no evidence to support your thesis.
I have met CJ and he certainly is in good enough shape to play in any of the local beer leagues.

He looks like a two guard but I have no idea if he can shoot.
He does know how to drink, shoot darts and play fooseball.

Did you go to grade school with him?
Maybe you posted him in intramurals?

Maybe we can have a challenge match. One on One ---The Cololonel versus the Gizzard ----

I suppose you are trying to pass as the one and only Brian H based upon your fantasy e-mail address.

Your post was rather Scroogian considering the 'Season'. At least you said God Bless and not Bah Humbug.

HO HO HO......

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on December 07, 2005, 11:53:07 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on December 07, 2005, 01:57:39 PM

Appropriate handle, gizzard. Lay off the Colonel. He's one of more knowledgeable posters in this room -- and has been for many seasons.

Thanks, Warren.  Also, thanks to Naismith.  Always nice when two beacons of wisdom come to your aid, one of whom is a HOF'er...

Gizzard, I fear that you're as misguided as you are terse.  Had I never hit a jumper in my life, King's is still 2-5, with one conference win over an 0-6 squad.  The issue is not with me, the issue is with the play on the court.  And, funny thing, HorganBrothers.com isn't a real website.

Wilkes knocks off Immaculata by 16.  Wasn't there, won't claim to have been there.  Who saw it, how did it go?

In other news, Scranton is 5-2 and 2-0 in conference.  What is this? 1988? :)

A Merry Christmas season to all...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on December 09, 2005, 12:26:56 AM
Maybe I was wrong about all the King's hating.  Maybe this team does have some talent.

Or... maybe not.

http://departments.kings.edu/athletics/men/basketball/recap/12_08_05_baptist_bible.htm
Baptist Bible 63, King's 51 (F)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: adam on December 09, 2005, 07:10:30 AM
Ah yes, not only do I return, but so does Warren Thompson, who I've dubbed for years, the voice of reason of d3hoops. 
And personally, I don't know cj4l's basketball ability.  I know he played my brother once and had an uncanny ability to hit shots from the corner.  I mean really now, who the heck hits shots from the corner these days. Some poor schlep from King's hit the side of the backboard  for crying out loud (and no, this is not to start a lame argument that cj4l is better than a kid from King's because he can hit a corner shot.

Adam Burdett
Pittston Band Director Extraordinaire
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wb1313 on December 09, 2005, 09:10:32 PM
Ummmm...all those cracks back in the day about Wilkes playing nobodies from Baptist Bible and other schools...who would've thought they'd become good?  Then again..... ::)    CJ...is it time for the "If you can't get into college" song??

Lastly..gizz...are you a King's fan??  Is that why you haven't been back lately? 
IF you haven't heard...BAPTIST BIBLE 63  King's 51  next up on the schedule  Scranton School for the Deaf and then St. Nick's/St. Mary's Blue team...best of luck!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on December 09, 2005, 10:40:21 PM
Easy boys Easy...

It's not polite to kick a Monarch when he is down.

Remember,  some team on Franklin Street was down 9 with 1:30 to go against the now maligned Monarchs.

Let's be fair. I saw Baptist Bible test Wilkes. The Defenders are effective shooting outside and inside the "ARC".  They must have a 'Covenant"  that requires 120% effort  as they relentlessly attack every second of every minute.
I think BB will win a few games this year.

I am not surprised they beat Kings considering Scalzo was sat down early with fouls. The center on BB can play some ball. Very Very active.

Wilkes is a young team but experienced as most of the super sophs played minutes last year. Kings is a young team that is finding their way. I think JP will pull this group together and they will make some strides into 06.

Of course, we have to hope Gizzard isn't the talent scout because he surely missed the boat on CJ.  Automatic from the corner pocket you say???

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on December 11, 2005, 10:25:18 AM
Just got out of the big house after serving a two-year hitch and wanted to get reacquanited with some folks.
Been reading the posts the last several days and that the more things change, the more they stay the same.
Examples: CJ is still a homer, WB1313 can still talk smack (I actually have a question for him), Saratoga still thinks he's a columnist and has yet to take his anger management class and Warren "Commission" Thompson believes CJ is a "knowledgeable" poster.
By the way, who is gizzard?
King's, I'm told, will get some inside relief with a 6-8 transfer coming in after the break.
And, I have a batch of new memorabilia for Jerry.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 11, 2005, 11:15:08 AM
Quote from: cold_case on December 11, 2005, 10:25:18 AM
.... and Warren "Commission" Thompson believes CJ is a "knowledgeable" poster.


And till Greg Sager becomes a MAC Freedom fan -- and that'll transpire when he converts to Lutheranism  ;) -- CJ4L remains in the top echelon of the MAC Freedom knowledge base.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on December 11, 2005, 05:56:51 PM
Warren "Peace" Thompson, I challenge anyone on this Freedom board to match my knowledge regarding the MAC.
Remember Vojko Pesa? I believe that's how you write his name.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gizzard on December 11, 2005, 06:06:25 PM
Naismith, thanx for grading my post you sound like a real winner.
Wb1313, ya im a Kings fan and the reason I havent been on here lately is cause the Giz actually has a life.
Warren, i appreciate all your comments they make me laugh and so does your name.  God Bless
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 11, 2005, 06:52:09 PM
Quote from: cold_case on December 11, 2005, 05:56:51 PM
Warren "Peace" Thompson, I challenge anyone on this Freedom board to match my knowledge regarding the MAC.

OK. Which MAC team did Jim Valvano coach?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on December 11, 2005, 08:28:03 PM
I remember Valvano coaching at Iona and before that I believe he had a short stay at Bucknell. However, neither were MAC schools, not sure about Iona.
Unless you're referring to Him's younger brother?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 11, 2005, 08:35:39 PM
Back in the 1970s, Jim Valvano was head coach at [then] MAC member Johns Hopkins. From there he went to Bucknell and later to Iona.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on December 11, 2005, 08:40:17 PM
Warren "G. Harding" Thompson, you have to remember I go back to the late 1960's, not 1860's. ;D
I don't remember him coaching JHU because teams up this way didn't play them, and I was just getting into the local college scene. Obviously you remember since it's more in your territory.
By the way, who the heck is gizzard?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on December 11, 2005, 10:43:34 PM
Quote from: cold_case on December 11, 2005, 08:40:17 PM
Warren "G. Harding" Thompson, you have to remember I go back to the late 1960's, not 1860's. ;D
I don't remember him coaching JHU because teams up this way didn't play them, and I was just getting into the local college scene. Obviously you remember since it's more in your territory.
By the way, who the heck is gizzard?


Who the Heck is Gizzard?

Multiple Choice:

1) The turkey that George W. pardoned
2) Monarch strain of the Avian Flu
3) First known case of Brian Horgan withdrawal
4) All of the above

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on December 15, 2005, 05:40:30 AM
Huh... so, it appears we're losing Drew from the MAC-Freedom in 2 seasons.  Eh, it could be worse.  My concerns are not that we lose that New Jersey diversity (can we dump FDU, too... please?).

My concern - now that we're under 8 teams, will we lose the automatic qualifier to the NCAAs?  Someone get on the phone with Lackawanna College... Now!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach C on December 15, 2005, 09:24:19 AM
Ok - Why are we giving Warren a hard time?

Usually only I give Warren a hard time.  i feel left out.

C
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on December 15, 2005, 01:53:10 PM
Coach C,

There is one guy (26 career posts) giving Warren a hard time, and also one guy (2 career posts) giving me a hard time.  I miss the days when people would give us a hard time, but it would be William Wallace or Jags.

Wilkes knocks off Lincoln, at home, in OT on Monday night.  Lincoln came in at 7-1 and #17 in the country.  A win over a ranked team is a win over a ranked team.  I'll give the squad respect for that one.  There are times when it's easy to be ColonelJohn.

My point from 2 weeks ago rings true again.  Wilkes, in years past, was notorious for giving away close games via missed free throws and bad decisions down the stretch.  On the flip side, this Wilkes squad is now 2-0 in overtime games, not counting a DeSales game decided by a buzzer-beater.  Clutch.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on December 15, 2005, 02:11:44 PM
I thought Lincoln was ranked 23rd?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on December 15, 2005, 04:21:56 PM
Quote from: cold_case on December 15, 2005, 02:11:44 PM
I thought Lincoln was ranked 23rd?

Lincoln was ranked 23rd in last weeks poll, the current poll has them at 17, they may drop again this week.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on December 15, 2005, 08:47:38 PM
So does anyone else leave the MAC, or do they find a nice replacement for Drew?

I cast my vote for Marywood ;D
Title: gizz
Post by: wb1313 on December 16, 2005, 05:40:41 PM
Gizz follows in the long line of King's College (yes they are a college, and I thought that the country realized by now that graduating from a college instead of a university is worthless, but I digress).  Ya see, King's posters usually talk a big game (gizz), harrass everyone else (gizz), and then are no where to be found for a week after they lose a big game or take a bad loss.   
I'm amazed some of you remember me...i feel special  8)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on December 16, 2005, 11:34:05 PM
"Wilkes knocks off Lincoln, at home, in OT on Monday night.  Lincoln came in at 7-1 and #17 in the country.  A win over a ranked team is a win over a ranked team.  I'll give the squad respect for that one.  There are times when it's easy to be ColonelJohn"

John,

Lincoln, in addition to being ranked top 20, also beat a few DII schools this year. (Cheyney, Salem Int'l and Chowan)
They beat an undeafted Randolph Macon team by 20. (RM ranked 11th) and a 6-2 Richard Stockton.
Lincoln has credentials.

Myrick (unstoppable) scored 41 for Lincoln, was constantly doubled down the stretch and into OT.  That coaching strategy was pivotal I am told by an astute Colonel Hall of Famer.

Not sure of his age (late 20's?) but Myrick is literally a 'man among boys'. No, he isn't collecting  Social Security but I bet he was eligible for the draft 10 years ago!
Wilkes obviously played well, made ft's etc.
The Colonels are developing into a pretty cohesive team. Still young but seems to be a lot of potential.
They are shooting a tad below 50% team wise ( taking good shots)so far and opponents shoot around 36% against.  Over 40% on threes as a team. (again- evidence of good shot selection)

They are still a bit high on the turnover numbers from what I can tell.
Should be an interesting 2006 on Franklin Street.

For the Giz,

Kings shooting under 41% teamwise. FG percentage against is 42%.
3pt. % is under 30%. Like Wilkes, slightly negative on the Assist to Turnover ratio & their turnover margin is negative.   

They are pretty good on the offensive glass but that could be attributed to the low shooting percentage.

Maybe the Bloom transfer will have an impact. Nice writeup in the local paper on him this week. Guess he goes about 6' 6" and is a junior. Pretty good shooting stats in limited playing time at Bloom.  Can't hurt.

Hey CJ......where is LJK?????
Inquiring minds want to know.

Naismith

Stats compliments of a local Tiger Woods Wannabe with strong connections to some local SID's, sportswriters and punters of varying skills.

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on December 17, 2005, 12:53:14 PM
Naismith,
If you bet on Kyle Myrick being eligible for the draft 10 years ago, you would lose. That's a stereotypical remark (if you know what I mean). The kid is 22 years old.
You also forgot to mention that Baptist Bible took Lincoln to the end the following night. Two very bad calls in the final minute cost the Defenders.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on December 17, 2005, 11:49:13 PM
"That's a stereotypical remark (if you know what I mean). The kid is 22 years old."


CC,

Don't want to belabor the point, but, no, I don't "know what you mean". What type of stereo do you have? I was partial to Pioneer equipment in my younger days.

I said Myrick was 'unstoppable'? I said he rang up 41 pts.? I said he commanded a 24/7 double team?  I said he was a man among boys.

I would call those remarks complimentary.
In fact, Coach Bessoir used the same man against boys terminology years ago about Colonel star Jason Turner and the entire Colonel squad.

As far as age, my HOF Colonel gridiron great,  who reported directly to yours truly with a post-game recap, indicated his approximate age based upon close inspection of his 5 o'clock shadow. (that's facial stubble if you don't have any). I then verified  this with a retired Gilette employee.

Later

Naismith



Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wb1313 on December 18, 2005, 01:41:30 PM
Warren ya got me!!!  ;D  My big mouth just keeps running, though if Wilkes had basketweaving, I would've been first in line for that class!!  ;)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 18, 2005, 03:03:03 PM
Quote from: wb1313 on December 18, 2005, 01:41:30 PM
... if Wilkes had basketweaving, I would've been first in line for that class!!  ;)

wb1313:

Just for that response above, I've awarded you your very first karma point.  :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on December 19, 2005, 06:39:51 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on December 18, 2005, 03:03:03 PM
wb1313:

Just for that response above, I've awarded you your very first karma point.  :)

Now THAT'S the Holiday spirit we enjoy so much. (I love the nifty HTML features...)

Naismith - I was hesitant to sing the praises of Lincoln too loudly, but you are absolutely correct.  Lincoln, who, if memory serves, a few years ago seemed to be little more than traveling all-stars, has all of a sudden become quite the squad.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 19, 2005, 08:44:10 AM
Quote from: cj4l on December 19, 2005, 06:39:51 AM

Naismith - I was hesitant to sing the praises of Lincoln too loudly, but you are absolutely correct.  Lincoln, who, if memory serves, a few years ago seemed to be little more than traveling all-stars, has all of a sudden become quite the squad.

But RMC put a 21-point beating on them yesterday (Lincoln was held to 35% shooting in the second half).
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on December 19, 2005, 09:15:01 PM
What weekend it was. The wedding of Ned Flanders, who has moved on since Maude's untimely death. While unfortunaly the satellite connection for Bob Bessoir's personal congratulations, did not work....Ned, the Swami and Section J Guy were all drinking heavily while discussing the finer points of D3 Basketball ( mainly why kings and wilkes both suck).To top it off the Royals give Ned an easy 20 point victory and are cruising going into the break...


Oh yes, I think Colonel John's inviation got lost in the mail!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach C on December 20, 2005, 01:49:02 AM
Well congratultions to Ned!!! 

C
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on December 21, 2005, 03:10:07 AM
Nothing personal Ned, you're not invited to mine either.  :P  That said, congrats.  Weddings are the necessary evil before wedding receptions, which are some of the best times out there.  I'll throw back a purple margarita for ya...
Title: Weddings??
Post by: wb1313 on December 21, 2005, 12:08:57 PM
Hey CJ, did you get those shackles and the 40 pound weight to throw yourself in the Susquie before the wedding??    If they got lost in the mail, I'll ship you a ball and chain so you're ready.  Marriage is the root of all evil!! I mean, there are pluses, but what about on Saturdays when she wants to clean or go see her mother, and all you want to do is sit there and watch the big game?  Then there is the kid factor...now i've talked myself out of ever getting married!!

Anyways, congrats Ned and best of luck.  In your honor i'll give a postponed until tomorrow "Catholic girls are easy."
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on December 21, 2005, 02:14:21 PM
Scranton may be taking a similar path as Drew. Word is that the Royals are highly interested in joining the Liberty League and have already were welcomed with arms wide open. Hmmmmm. Stay tuned
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on December 21, 2005, 03:38:36 PM
Liberty League? Never heard of it...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on December 21, 2005, 04:47:44 PM
Warren "Spahn" Thompson,
You should do what I did: Pick up the phone, call the Scranton athletic dept. and ask them. Now that's a novel idea.
Besides, if Catholic wants a guaranteed automatic every year, why not Scranton? Although it may be tougher for them in the Liberty.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 21, 2005, 05:28:18 PM
Quote from: cold_case on December 21, 2005, 04:47:44 PM
Warren "Spahn" Thompson,
You should do what I did: Pick up the phone, call the Scranton athletic dept. and ask them. Now that's a novel idea.

Is that what you did (if so, good for you)? On the other hand, why should I have called the "Scranton athletic department," given that I wasn't aware that Scranton was contemplating a defection from the MAC.

You have to accept that there are many -- perhaps too many -- rumors floating around anent venues leaving the MAC. I was simply asking if you have hard evidence that the Royals are looking to leave. (And hard evidence just might be a "novel idea," wouldn't it?)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on December 21, 2005, 05:58:03 PM
That is a lot of driving to upstate New York..
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on December 21, 2005, 11:32:50 PM
Warren "Zevon" Thompson
Now that you're "aware" why not call the Scranton Athletic Department and ask them. Although I doubt they'll give you a solid answer, yet it's worth a shot.
Is that a novel idea?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on December 22, 2005, 06:11:03 AM
Heh heh, this name thing is fun.  In honor of the Edmonton Eskimos winning the most recent Grey Cup, can I call him Warren "Moon" Thompson?

Scranton can't join a league unless Wilkes and/or King's follow.  Would North Carolina join the Big East and abandon Duke twice a year?  Of course not.  The geography, the competition - Scranton can not possibly leave Wilkes and King's.

wb1313 - you're killin me.  Soon, you'll be purchasing a ring, and when you do, I can explain the 4 C's to ya.

In the meantime, I have to go research the Liberty League...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on December 22, 2005, 09:21:01 AM
Scranton wants out...other schools that may leave current affiliations & band together are Hobart& Wm.Smith, Hamilton, Clarkson & Union...Ithaca may be in the mix as well. Scranton completed a study on this topic several years ago & the recomendation at the time was to leave the MAC for either an existing league or to wait for the right time when a new one may develop. That time may be near. Cold case...I don't think Catholic would have a "gimmie" each year vs. Scranton...especially since they lost to the Royals last season. I do believe Scranton is leaning more in the direction of furthering the rivalry with the Cardinals as opposed to FDU.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 22, 2005, 09:40:24 AM
One thing seems pretty clear: the MAC, if it survives, will have a noticeably different look.

Of course, it currently is radically different than when it was initially formed. E.g., between 1913 and 1993, it had as members Columbia, Penn, NYU, Wagner, Seton Hall, Temple, West Chester, Delaware, Bucknell, Rider, Rutgers, LaSalle, and St. Joe's.*

-----------------------------------

* Thomas M. Hanrahan, From National to Regional: An Analysis of Presidential Influence on the Contraction of the Original Middle Atlantic States Collegiate Athletic Conference, 1974-1992. Doctoral dissertation, Penn State University, 2004.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on December 22, 2005, 11:51:06 AM
No, no, no, Saratoga, you misunderstood what I wrote about Catholic. I said they are leaving the CAC to join a new league which is very weak, thus guaranteeing themselves an automatic bid.
I know Ithaca and St. Lawrence are other schools joining this new conference along with Scranton and some of the others you posted. When I was told that Scranton was joining the league with St. Lawrence, I thought it was the Liberty League, since they are currently a member. However, it's a group of schools leaving their current conferences. You should have more insight on this planned "move" than anyone since you know someone who is near and dear to your heart that has hands on info.
As for Warren "Shot heard 'round the world" Thompson, I guess you won't have to spring for the long distance call. You got everything you wanted right here. ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on December 22, 2005, 02:00:46 PM
guys
There may be another reason that Scranton WON'T leave. There is the whole religious conection with Kings.  I don't think Scranton is going anywhere for now, at least not by themselves.....
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on December 22, 2005, 02:45:13 PM
Bill: Scranton has NO affiliation with Kings, religous or otherwise. The Royals are a Jesuit Univiversity, Kings is not. Catholic Univ. is also Jesuit so there is a far more common thread with that connection. However, religous affiliations have zero to do with these projected moves.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 22, 2005, 03:18:28 PM
Saratoga:

King's is a Roman Catholic institution, "sponsored" by the Congregation of the Holy Cross, the same order that operates Notre Dame. Catholic is not a Jesuit venue; rather, it is a "national" Roman Catholic institution, the only one founded by the American bishops.



Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on December 22, 2005, 08:56:49 PM
Good point Warren...I guess I believed it was Jesuit because a former President of the UofS later became President of CUA. It is the "other" DC. institution, Georgetown that has a Jesuit affiliation.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ronk on December 23, 2005, 12:21:37 AM
Saratoga,
     What is the reason Scranton wants to leave the MAC?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on December 23, 2005, 04:14:25 AM
Warren - way to cite your post.  Is that MLA format?  Either way, you earned "applause" point #29 for your citation.

Aren't trips to every one of the aforementioned institutions in upstate NY 2+ hour bus rides for Scranton teams?  Is that a concern?  Beyond basketball (male and female), there are 17 other varsity sports that are going to be very sick of school buses by season's end.  Additionally, especially without football, does the athletic department have the funding for additional road trips for every sport??

But hey, if they did a study that told them Hobart will draw a bigger crowd to the Long Center than King's... God bless 'em!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 23, 2005, 08:54:37 AM
The author of that dissertation is LVC's Director of College Relations. When he began his doctoral work, he was our SID.

Most dissertations aren't worth the paper they're written on, but Hanrahan's is a  notable exception. Especially interesting is his account of the administrative machinations involving the MAC defections to the Centennial (Machiavelli would have been proud).
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on December 23, 2005, 09:49:10 AM
CJ: I'm afraid what puts people in the seats these days are wins...not the name of the school on the jersey. If these various moves fall into place, Scranton/Kings & or Wilkes could still play...just in a somewhat surreal non-conference, non life & death early season type game. Back in the early 90's when the Royals were still in the hunt for a Nat'l. championship with each team Bess assembled, I can remember close to 3,000 fans jammed into the Long Center for games against Del.Val. & FDU...it didn't matter who the Royals were playing...what mattered was they were playing & at home.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on December 23, 2005, 12:06:41 PM
And by the way, I'll believe this move when I hear it first-hand...it's been discussed & disected for so long I really ignore it most of the time.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach C on December 23, 2005, 05:22:03 PM
WT et al -

The MAC will survive, but it will likely have an even lowlier palce in the D3 pantheon of conferences after the restructurings occur. 

I would not be surprised to see a NE PA dominated conference with a few of the school from mid-state making a drive.

C
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 23, 2005, 07:06:08 PM
Quote from: Coach C on December 23, 2005, 05:22:03 PM
WT et al -

I would not be surprised to see a NE PA dominated conference with a few of the school from mid-state making a drive.

C

Could you expand on your comment above?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on December 23, 2005, 07:57:39 PM
Warren "Throwin' Samoan" Thompson, are you the moderator of this board?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ronk on December 23, 2005, 09:34:13 PM
   Right now, bball wise, it would be a stronger conference; all the titles and ncaa appearances still remain with the remaining members; the four leaving had none of either.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach C on December 24, 2005, 08:00:03 AM
Well, Wilkes, Scranton, and Kings have a huge interest in staying together just on the travel and local rivalries front, although I have heard form interest about Scranton moving to the Centennial.  I think these three schools stay with the MAC.  Would Keystone or Miseri add football to get into the MAC?  There have been rumors, but I will believe it when I see it.

Etown wants to improve its academic perception and thinks that Centennial membership will help that.  There have been noises about Leb Vall wanting Centennial membership too, but I am doubtful.  Del Val, Widener, Albright and Lyco are staying put.  Each school has a somewhat third-tier academic reputation (old-timers will tell you it was these four schools the Centennial presidents were running from they set the Centennial up.)

The PA MAC schools know they need a requisite number for football, but would love to be able to do it without some of the NJ schools.

Lincoln and Wesley want in to the MAC in a pretty desperate way, but the MAC presidents have academic issues with each, plus travel issues with Wesley.

DeSales is in a weird spot, no football and seemingly a better fit for the PAC conference it left for the MAC, but with no desire to go "back" to the PAC. 

Just what I have gathered along the road.

C
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 24, 2005, 08:23:30 AM
C:

Thanks for "expanding."
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach C on December 24, 2005, 08:56:00 AM
WT -

No problem. Any thoughts?  Heard anything about LVC?

C
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 24, 2005, 09:02:09 AM
Quote from: Coach C on December 24, 2005, 08:56:00 AM
WT -

No problem. Any thoughts?  Heard anything about LVC?

C

The last I heard (several weeks ago), the Valley was remaining in the MAC. I've not heard of any recent aspirations to join the Centennial, but when the latter was formed 20-plus years ago, LVC wanted in but was summarily rejected. The rebuff engendered a bit of ill-will between LVC's president and the newly-anointed MAC prexies who voted against accepting the Dutchmen.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach C on December 24, 2005, 09:10:31 AM
WT -

Ok so you heard the same things that made me doubtful about LVC and the Centennial.

C
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ronk on December 24, 2005, 01:46:33 PM
C,
     thanks also for the particulars on conference transitions.

Warren,

  How could the newly-appointed Mac prexies vote against LVC joining the Centennial of which they weren't members?

     ronk
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 24, 2005, 03:58:27 PM
Quote from: ronk on December 24, 2005, 01:46:33 PM

Warren,

  How could the newly-appointed Mac prexies vote against LVC joining the Centennial of which they weren't members?

ronk:

On further review, my point could have been clearer. That is, LVC's bid to enter the Centennial was rejected by the presidents of the other MAC venues that eventually formed the Centennial.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on December 25, 2005, 01:26:49 AM
Warren,

LebVal can't leave the MAC.  Where would we put our website and stats??
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach C on December 25, 2005, 09:20:01 AM
WT -

I knew what you meant despite your tortured use of the language.

C
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 25, 2005, 09:29:45 AM
Quote from: Coach C on December 25, 2005, 09:20:01 AM
WT -

I knew what you meant despite your tortured use of the language.

C

"Tortured"? Mercy, was it that bad?  :'(

On the other hand, it's pretty frightening that you knew what I said to begin with ....  :o
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach C on December 25, 2005, 09:49:03 AM
I have taught Freshman Comp many times.  I can derive meaning from even the most oddly constructed sentences.

C
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on December 26, 2005, 10:39:22 AM
Quote from: saratoga on December 22, 2005, 09:21:01 AM
Scranton wants out...other schools that may leave current affiliations & band together are Hobart& Wm.Smith, Hamilton, Clarkson & Union...Ithaca may be in the mix as well. Scranton completed a study on this topic several years ago & the recomendation at the time was to leave the MAC for either an existing league or to wait for the right time when a new one may develop. That time may be near. Cold case...I don't think Catholic would have a "gimmie" each year vs. Scranton...especially since they lost to the Royals last season. I do believe Scranton is leaning more in the direction of furthering the rivalry with the Cardinals as opposed to FDU.


Saratoga,

What else did the study say?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: radiomike on December 28, 2005, 04:12:09 PM
Quote from: Section J Guy on December 26, 2005, 10:39:22 AM
Quote from: saratoga on December 22, 2005, 09:21:01 AM
Scranton wants out...other schools that may leave current affiliations & band together are Hobart& Wm.Smith, Hamilton, Clarkson & Union...Ithaca may be in the mix as well. Scranton completed a study on this topic several years ago & the recomendation at the time was to leave the MAC for either an existing league or to wait for the right time when a new one may develop. That time may be near. Cold case...I don't think Catholic would have a "gimmie" each year vs. Scranton...especially since they lost to the Royals last season. I do believe Scranton is leaning more in the direction of furthering the rivalry with the Cardinals as opposed to FDU.


Saratoga,

What else did the study say?

Don't expect HWS, Hamilton, Union, or Clarkson to go anywhere anytime soon, especially looking at a study that is several years old. Scanton may join the ECAC west in Hockey. That is being more than rumored.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 28, 2005, 04:24:35 PM
Quote

Scranton may join the ECAC west in Hockey. That is being more than rumored.
Quote

Oh goodie! Then they too shall have the pleasure of playing Manhattanville, one of the better D1 teams competing in D3 ice hockey.  ;)

ECAC West is one tough league.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 03, 2006, 01:25:25 AM
Wow... another karma point.  Thanks, Pat. :)

Whoever decdes to drive up 81 to see Wilkes at Marywood - be sure to post a review of the game.  Hopefully there's no semester break rust.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: oiler on January 04, 2006, 07:35:28 AM
Men's basketball

Elizabethtown at Scranton

Wednesday at 7pm

www.scranton.edu/athletics
www.wusr.edu
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on January 04, 2006, 10:53:26 PM
Marywood 63, Wilkes 61
Colonels had a chance to tie but turned the ball over with .2 seconds left.
Scranton 81, E-Town 76
Royals played without starters Darren Cannon, Ryan FitzPatrick, Mike McGowan and Pat Clabby.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on January 05, 2006, 09:52:47 AM
Has anyone found Col. John's body yet??? M-wood knocks off the mighty Colonels...ouch! I still have my own nightmares of a 40' heave at the buzzer from 3 years ago so I know the feeling. Meanwhile, Scranton pulled out a huge win vs. E-town last night without 4 very impt. players as cold case mentioned. Darrin Cannon is in the hospital, McGowan still has problems with his heel & Clabby & FitzPatrick were nursing other injuries. Guys that have received minimal pt. thus far stepped up big time. The Royals bench just got a huge lift of confidence by the way they played.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach C on January 05, 2006, 11:09:15 AM
Better yet, has anyone checked on the Wilkes team?  Did they all make it to the bus?  Did anyone walk home?

I have to say that I am stunned.  A perennial PAC bottom feeder upsets one of the regions premier programs of the last 15 years.

Did Marywood have some new faces?  Or was Wilkes just flat?

C
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 06, 2006, 09:27:09 AM
I am alive, and I'll be up for the Scranton game on Jan 11th... but I think I'll lay low for a while, otherwise.

My compliments to Marywood, and it's refreshing to see that I wasn't the only one stunned into next week.  I believe it was a PAC alum, my mom, who said it best a few seasons ago, "Marywood has a boys' team now??"
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach C on January 06, 2006, 10:46:59 AM
cj4l -

See now, I could say something that would get me in a lot of trouble with all three of the Marywood fans, but i am going to keep my mouth shut.  Sort of.

C
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on January 06, 2006, 01:22:23 PM
 Marywood did end up with that third fan after all...good for them. Their gym must have been rocking that night...I wonder if they had the famous M-wood wave going during the game...probably a huge disruption to the Wilkes concentration effort.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 07, 2006, 02:14:21 AM
This loss got me thinking... who was the last team to beat King's and lose to Marywood in the same season?  Didn't Scranton lose at Marywood a couple seasons ago?

On an odd note, Wilkes, King's, Marywood, and Baptist Bible have actually played a round-robin already this season.  The standings would read as follows:

Baptist Bible 2-1
Wilkes 2-1
King's 1-2
Marywood 1-2

Those of you had the Baptist Bible / Wilkes exacta in Vegas - congratulations.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on January 07, 2006, 12:14:24 PM
How about St Mary's School for the Blind? Thought they would be in the running ...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on January 07, 2006, 08:27:27 PM
Wilkes loses to Marywood.

Injury depleted Scranton loses to winless Chestnut Hill.

Somewhere Bobby Sura weeps.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kingjames on January 07, 2006, 11:03:09 PM
Wilkes got destroyed by Keystone tonight.  It was ugly. What confounds me is that they have the best player in the conference, Shovlin, yet they under utilize him.  I don't know but I think they just have the wrong personnel in the wrong positions.  The players Rickrode puts on the floor do not complement each other well.  Then he tries to overcoach and he holds these guys back.  Too much "run the offense", too many substitutions, these guys can't get into the flow.  This team just looked flat tonight and from what I've heard they were flat against Marywood.  I blame  Rickrode for this too, he's got to make sure the team is ready to play, and that month long break was ridiculous.  Any one else at the game tonight?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on January 07, 2006, 11:04:12 PM
At least King's kept some sanity in the local college ranks, and even they barely escaped with a one-point win over Susquehanna.
Regardless of Scranton's injuries, it's inexcusable losing to Chestnut Hill. That name sounds like a new brand of coffee.
Title: Revisited
Post by: The Authority on January 07, 2006, 11:12:53 PM
I wonder if Dave Januzzi ever lost to Marywood and Keystone in back-to-back games.

Heck I wonder if a Januzzi team ever lost back-to-back games period.

Chalk up another point for Januzzi in the ever popular poll "Who's better, Januzzi or Shovlin".

Must have been too much Egg Nog in the Wilkes water cooler over the break.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: upton on January 07, 2006, 11:40:51 PM
     The Royals loss to Chestnut Hill was not for lack of effort or heart.  Playing with a team comprised of mostly freshmen and sophomores, they just had a cold shooting night.  Also, it seemed at times as if Chestnut Hill could not miss from 3-point range.
     Randy Arnold seemed to take the loss the hardest.  As a sophomore and the leader of the team, this is his first loss at home.  I just worry how this loss will affect any chances of an at large bid to the NCAA's if Scranton doesn't win the Freedom Tournament.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ronk on January 07, 2006, 11:45:55 PM
cj41,
    Two years ago, Scranton did lose to Marywood and Misericordia in the same season.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 08, 2006, 01:06:08 AM
Quote from: kingjames on January 07, 2006, 11:03:09 PM
Wilkes got destroyed by Keystone tonight.

Does that mean that the Colonels lost to the provisional D3 school from LaPlume, or that they all got badly drunk on the particularly noxious brand of cheap beer of that name that's owned by Coors?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 08, 2006, 06:20:45 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 08, 2006, 01:06:08 AM
Does that mean that the Colonels lost to the provisional D3 school from LaPlume, or that they all got badly drunk on the particularly noxious brand of cheap beer of that name that's owned by Coors?

Dr. Sager,
No word of a lie, my first reaction was, "Keystone?  A good team?  It's not even a good beer!"

The Wilkes-Scranton showdown on the 11th is taking on a whole new meaning.  The only 2 unbeatens left in the MAC-F, coming off of losses to Chestnut Hill and Marywood / Keystone.  God help us.

Scranton, don't look now, but (winless) Chestnut Hill lost by 34 to Susquehanna.

King's, don't develop an ego about a 1 point win over Susquehanna.  They're 3-8 with wins over aforementioned Chestnut Hill and Penn College of Technology, a team I didn't know existed.

Wilkes, I think, having played this Keystone team tough, shows a lot.  I think it's safe to punch my ticket for Salem now.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on January 08, 2006, 08:58:49 AM
Quote from: upton on January 07, 2006, 11:40:51 PM
     The Royals loss to Chestnut Hill was not for lack of effort or heart.  Playing with a team comprised of mostly freshmen and sophomores, they just had a cold shooting night.  Also, it seemed at times as if Chestnut Hill could not miss from 3-point range.

Regardless, a loss is a loss is a loss!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on January 08, 2006, 02:19:21 PM
Scranton needs to get healthy in a hurry for the mid-week Wilkes game.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on January 08, 2006, 07:23:40 PM
The Royals better get healthy in a hurry & they better win the Freedom outright  or at least finish 2nd. with no more than 6 losses (total)or there is no way they get an at-large. The loss to Chesnut Hill will be the perfect excuse not to hand out an at-large. You can plead all you want that the Royals would never have lost this game with those 3 starters & their first off the bench, but when the Q&A segment of Selection Sunday asks why the Royals did not get a bid, they'll look to this game & further state all teams loose intregal players at some point due to injuries & they(NCAA) simply can not take every injury to every player on every team into account. Win the games your supposed to win & you don't need to rely on the decisions of others...losses to M-wood & Keystone arn't exactly going to endear Wikes to the selection committee either...and they can't plead injuries.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wb1313 on January 08, 2006, 09:18:42 PM
There will be NO at-large bid...period!!  The MAC's "quality" wins are few and far between, while devestating losses are the norm.  Whatever happened to quality basketball in the Valley?? 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 09, 2006, 12:12:07 AM
Quote from: kingjames on January 07, 2006, 11:03:09 PM
What confounds me is that they have the best player in the conference, Shovlin, yet they under utilize him.  I don't know but I think they just have the wrong personnel in the wrong positions.  The players Rickrode puts on the floor do not complement each other well.  Then he tries to overcoach and he holds these guys back.  too many substitutions, these guys can't get into the flow.    I blame  Rickrode for this too, he's got to make sure the team is ready to play, and that month long break was ridiculous. 

Kingman,

Have been awya a bit and missed all this post-holiday action.  Seems like you're a bit of a frustrated Colonel.
You seem to be placing a lot of blame at the doorstep of the finest B-ball coach that
Wilkes has ever had in its 50+ years of existence.

CS may be the Freedom's best player and he may not be. That's why
you play the game.  Regarding subs and chemistry, I didn't read any disparaging posts when Wilkes beat Kings, DeSales, Lincoln etc.  Au contraire, most of the Colonels received accolades. CS for toning down his shooting and distributing the ball.
Evan Walters for getting more offensive. Constantime for accepting his Havlicekian role and Greg Adams for his energy. Kline for his freshman savvy and David Goode for his improvement overall. And of course Gould for his swsashbuckling attitude and defensive presence.

A few non-conference losses and .......the same old "no chemistry..... too many subs....etc."
At least there are no "transfers' from DI, D-II to blame or I'm sure we would hear that complaint as well.
In your mind, who is playing out of positiion? Where should thye be playing. What players have poor chemistry? Why? If you were the Coach, what would your rotation be? And who would start and who would play together?
(these are your observations)

From my perch, I see a young guard oriented team that could use a little more 'inside' presence.  The stole a game from Kings, edged a decent DeSales team & pulled out a squeaker against an excellent Lincoln squad.

Since break, one really poor effort and two close losses.
The 'real' season starts Wed.
Let's see what happens.
On paper, this is a classic Scranton, Wilkes matchup. Hopefully, both clubs will be healthy and at full strength. The Royal wounded have been well documented in recent posts. I would think the Colonels may have had a few 'health' problems as well.

Kingman, I would be interested in more 'specific' observations regarding strengths and weaknesses you've identified.  Generic criticisms, while maybe valid, don't really offer any specific insight.

Good luck Wed. and the rest of the way.

Regards,
Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 09, 2006, 02:06:24 AM
wb13, that's the smartest thing you've EVER said on this board.  Except for one small detail - there's like 16 more bids this year from 48 to 64.   Someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on that one.  However, until this conference starts winning NCAA games again, we're a 1-bid conference, even with more available bids.

Naismith, the frustration is understandable.  However, all will be forgiven on Wednesday provided Wilkes can knock off an injured U of S.  As a Tar Heel fan, I know the mantra of, "I don't care if we're 2-24, as long as we beat Duke twice."  It's like that with Scranton, especially when the victor takes over sole possession of 1st place in the conference.

Does Wednesday's game rest on Shovlin's shoulders?  Will the key be Walters running amok on painted wood trampling smaller men in purple?  Or will it be a true team effort, with the difference coming from a longer bench in a quicker-paced game?

Note to the Wilkes maintenance staff: Crank up the thermostat to 80.  Scranton has a short bench - take advantage.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 09, 2006, 02:38:22 AM
Quote from: cj4l on January 09, 2006, 02:06:24 AM
there's like 16 more bids this year from 48 to 64.

59. Check the FAQ.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 09, 2006, 08:29:52 AM
Pat,

I had a sneaking suspicion I was wrong.  I was just WAY too lazy to look up the truth.  ;D

59 teams, eh?  I can see the overall #4 team in the country now complaining about not getting one of those tasty first-round byes.  "We're #4! How could the selection committee force us to play another game, yet give [token lucky draw] a bye!"
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: sleeprcell on January 09, 2006, 01:00:03 PM
Keystone looks like a really good basketball team with a top notch d3 pg, a versatile 3 man whol plays like a 3/4 and a center that was better than walters.  Surrounded by players with athletic ability and some shooting, they outtoughed Wilkes at their own game.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bziadie on January 09, 2006, 09:04:29 PM
C.J.:

You forgot to mention Susquehanna's recent 67-62 win over a respected Catholic University (9-3) program, which owns a 72-63 win over Scranton before all the Royals' injuries and illnesses.  Having seen King's beat Susquehanna badly the first time the teams played in December, then watching the two teams play again at Wilkes the other day, Susquehanna looks like a different team, a much improved team.  And I am not saying that to try and make King's look good.

They have changed their lineup since playing in the King's tourney December 20-21. Since then they have a win over Catholic, a loss to D-I Navy, a close loss to King's and close win over Wilkes.  I didn't stay to watch their game against Wilkes, but they played their tails off against King's and gave a tremendous effort, diving for loss balls, much improved ball movement with quicker passes, etc.  If they keep playing like that they could surprise some people this semester who are judging them by their current record (4-9).

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on January 09, 2006, 09:28:06 PM
Injuries keep mounting for Scranton. The Royals lost center Mike Kreuter and PG Mike Riccobono, leaving the team with nine players.
Was that Bob Ziadie's black cat walking through the Long Center recently?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bziadie on January 09, 2006, 09:48:24 PM
C.J.:

Do I always have to come on here to educate you...... ;)

You, as well as others I am sure, are a bit uninformed about Keystone since they are new to the D-3 ranks and very few people have seen them play or have followed their program.

Keystone was a very successful junior college program that has made several trips to the NJCAA national tournament.  In fact, in Andrejko's first season at King's, Keystone whipped King's in a pre-season scrimmage at King's.

Keystone is 7-4 right now and has a very nice 75-60 win over Christopher-Newport to its credit.  The new North East Athletic Conference they are in is kind of weak but Keystone has had a quality program for a long time.

They were 24-4 and won the NEAC last year.

Keystones four losses are to as follows:
85-82 to D-II Mansfield
103-89 to Bethany, WV (10-4)
Marymount (58-48)
King's (71-62), and Keystone led most of the game

They are quick, athletic, play a tough pressing defense. They shot the ball really well from three-point range over the weekend. They are no joke.  I expected them to be more of a one-on-one team but they played together as a team. Don't be surprised to see them knock off any of the local teams in future years....

One person at the Wilkes-Barre Challenge described them as Lincoln with a system.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: sleeprcell on January 10, 2006, 01:21:55 PM
Keystone has a number of pieces.....  I felt they were a true shooting guard and a PF away from being a top 25 team.  Allen, Stone, and Brown are all the most you could hope for at the D3 level. 

They also compete virtually every possesion.  Was not there the last day, but I don't see how they lost to King's... I thought they would whooop em...

Probably lot of 1/2 court game.  They also celebrated often vs. Wilkes as they were getting homered.  I would not be suprised if the zebras had something to do with their loss.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kingjames on January 11, 2006, 12:41:23 PM
Keystone ain't 30 points better than Wilkes.  Even though the score ended up to be a 13 point deficit, it was 30 when "the Rick" cleared his bench with about 10 min to go.  The game was a complete humiliation for the Colonels.   :o  Losses like this can affect a program not just this season.  I see the Scranton game as a MUST WIN.  "the Rick" sold his soul to get Shovlin, now he has to cut the boy loose.  He's the player you build a team around.  Here's my lineup:  Shovlin at the point with the ball in his hands.  I'm going to compute tonight how many times he brings the ball up the floor and the team scoring percentage by those possesions.  He not only scores but he get the ball to his teammates in positions they SHOULD score from.  See how many quality opportunities he creates as opposed to Gouldie bringing it up.  I want to see Consididine and/or Kline at the 2 spot and a steady diet of that four man combo up front, Evan, Greg, Goode, and Adams.  I like my little pizan, the Brooklyn Bambino Sclafani to spell Shovlin when necessary.  Other than that, if the Colonels want that extended season in March, I don't see them as a team that's more than 8 deep, sorry.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on January 11, 2006, 02:27:50 PM
Not to make any excuses...but, if Wilkes can't end a 3 game slide at home with Scranton down 3 starters & the top gun off the bench out as well, then they can send the uniforms out to the laundry & open the Wilkes gym to intramurals. I see Wilkes putting double-teams on Randy Arnold to make him use as much energy as possible just trying to get the ball over the time line let alone set up the Royals second team for offensive sets. When Wilkes takes off the double-team & traps, I'm sure Gould will be all over him. He'll expend too much energy on the offensive end to be able to stay with Shovlin, so I see Alfier trying to guard him. Scranton is also down their 2nd. post player so they can not afford to bang underneath all night now & force Wilkes outside. Overall, Wilkes has all their starters & rotation in place...Scranton isn't even close. Wilkes has far too much quickness & outside presence for the Royals to stop on multiple trips...I can see this being a typical Wilkes blowout early with the Royals playing a little tougher in the 2nd. half, doing their best to keep it respectable. You simply can not play without 3 starters & the first two guys off the bench against a good team on the road & win. Coach Danzig & staff will have the kids ready & prepared for Wilkes as much as they can...what you can't prepare for is the absense of 5 of the first 7 players.  Bombs away from Wilkes & if they're falling...it will be a long night. Scranton has no backcourt help for Arnold so I see wave after wave of pressure coming his way, which causes turnovers & rushed shots & poor shot selection. The Royals need to protect the ball, slow the game down, spread it out & pray they hit their shots & make Wilkes try to rush things coming back down. In all reality it looks like Wilkes:74/Scranton:61. Should the Royals pull this one out, some Wilkes players may soon be on milk cartons.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 11, 2006, 02:37:59 PM
Bob,
You're on a short list of people who are encouraged to straighten me out when I'm wrong.  I'm a D3 fan, and an out-of-the-loop fan, at this point.  This is your job.  Thank you for keeping me on point. 

All others,
Note that Bob didn't say a GD word before King's 5-game winning streak.  ;)

The one thing that I gleaned from Wilkes starting the season 6-1 was that wins were coming in close games, and Wilkes in past seasons would find ways to give up close games.  Making free throws, hitting big shots in the final seconds, little things that add up.  Then, Wilkes goes and loses an OT game to Suquehanna.  Aaaiiiyyyeee!!

Here's to hoping Wilkes can pull one out in a rivalry game, at home, against an injured Scranton.  Any updates from up north as to who's hurt and who's not??
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach C on January 11, 2006, 02:41:41 PM
At large bid?????  ATLARGEBID???????

Doing my best Jim Mora impersonation here.

No at large bid is going to any team that loses to Chestnut Hill.

C
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 11, 2006, 02:44:37 PM
Saratoga,
For you to predict a Wilkes victory, the injuries MUST be serious.  5 of the top 7 on the depth chart?  Yikes. 
Thanks for the info... if you find me at the game tonight, a legendary ColonelDog is on me. (Additional surcharges may apply for toppings.)

Coach C,
Agreed.  When Baptist Bible may have a stronger resume than you, you're not getting an at-large bid.  Period.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on January 11, 2006, 06:12:54 PM
Scranton injury report:
F Darren Cannon, F Patrick Clabby, G Ryan FitzPatrick are out.
C Mike Kreuter, G Mike Riccobono are doubtful.
Mike McGowan is done for the season.

According to Danzig, he's down to nine player but expects all of them to be back in the next two weeks.

Coach C, the only team that can lose to Chestnut Hill and still get in is Catholic and possibly LV. Get it?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kingjames on January 12, 2006, 08:25:36 AM
Let me get this off my chest.  Who's running this site?  Why can't users start a new thread so we don't have to dig through 16 pages of posts?

there.


Was at the Wilkes v. Scranton match last night.  Wilkes looked great to start and had some nice stretched throughout the game.  But if the Royals lineup was a decimated as I've heard then either they are a top 5 team or Wilkes is the great pretender.  If anyone else noticed the colonels on offense are extremely effective when Shovlin brings the ball up especially when they push to get up the floor.   Now "the Rick" needs to let shoot the deep 3.  He's as good a shooterfrom beyond the NBA arc as he is from 19 feet.  That will stretch the defense just a little more and give the big guys some more room in the paint. 

Sclafani's injury looked bad.  I'm no doctor but I'd have to guess and say bad high ankle sprian, and I'm being optimistic.  I'd be suprised if he could come back this season.  Hate to see that happen to a senior who puts as much heart into it as he does.  It's also betyond that 8 game injury rule the NCAA has to get an extra year of eligibility.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on January 12, 2006, 09:10:37 AM
A loss is a loss is a loss...that said, the Royals played their hearts out last night & gave Wilkes all they could handle. This game was not decided until the last 1:15 when the Royals turned the ball over only down 2 & then Constantine hit his only 3 of the night(unofficial). Scranton went from a chance to either tie or take the lead to down 5 in a span of 10 seconds...after that it was free-throw time. Shovlin was Shovlin, when he's open he'll nail them, but for the most part he worked for his shots & certainly didn't dominate the game. I'd love to see the refs call him for his push offs when he's trying to generate space for his drop back...must have "studied" Jason Fisher tapes. Scranton did all they could with a decimated lineup...3 starters & the first shooter & first big off the bench in street clothes...great effort by the kids & coaching staff at Scranton. Far more Royal fans @ Wilkes than Colonel fans...I guess the fear of 4 straight losses & Coach R. going postal was a little too much for the Wilkes faithful. A very young bunch of kids at Scranton are growing up in a hurry & that's a good thing.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach C on January 12, 2006, 10:05:48 AM
cold_case -

I can't say I get it.

C
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 12, 2006, 10:10:58 AM
Quote from: Coach C on January 12, 2006, 10:05:48 AM
cold_case -

I can't say I get it.

C

For that matter, neither do I.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach C on January 12, 2006, 10:31:57 AM
Ok.  Just so it isn't me.  The oldhead doesn't get it either.

C
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 12, 2006, 10:51:36 AM
Quote from: kingjames on January 12, 2006, 08:25:36 AM
Let me get this off my chest.  Who's running this site?  Why can't users start a new thread so we don't have to dig through 16 pages of posts?

You can click on the NEW icon to go directly to the first post you have not read. You can click on the numbers next to the MAC Freedom League on the Mid-Atlantic Region list of topics to jump directly to a specific page. Those are two excellent tools I'd suggest you become familiar with.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on January 12, 2006, 10:53:29 AM
I tossed in LV to get a jolt out of Warren "Beatty" Thompson.
However, there is always some shananigans involving Catholic come selection Sunday.

GO COLTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 12, 2006, 11:11:19 AM
Such as 1998, when Wilkes supplanted Catholic at the last moment to get the top seed in the region and eventually hosted the sectional? Such as 2001, when they weren't "good enough" to get a first-round bye but won the national title anyway? Do tell. :)

Sounds like cold case is clinging to some really long-ago-dead issues.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on January 12, 2006, 11:25:50 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 12, 2006, 11:11:19 AM
Such as 1998, when Wilkes supplanted Catholic at the last moment to get the top seed in the region and eventually hosted the sectional? Such as 2001, when they weren't "good enough" to get a first-round bye but won the national title anyway? Do tell. :)

Sounds like cold case is clinging to some really long-ago-dead issues.


I would love to know why Catholic is still recieving votes in the poll.....no bias right? ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 12, 2006, 11:33:47 AM
They are not coming from me or any other regional voter.

I am sure if Street & Smith's were still putting out a poll they would have found a way to keep "No. 10 Wilkes" in there for far too long as well.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach C on January 12, 2006, 11:51:18 AM
This is WAY ancient history.  There is no CUA bias on the poll.  There is no CUA bias on the site.  You guys who say this are complete and utter fools. 

That's it!  I've had it.  I am going to get a drink!

C
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on January 12, 2006, 12:04:05 PM
Ummm, can you explain to me (and I can't wait to hear the justification on this one) what happened to Mary Washington a couple years back? Unless of course that's ancient history?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 12, 2006, 01:12:58 PM
Only thing I can think of that you mean here is that MWC was sent on the road in the first round, as a higher seed, to play at Alvernia. This is because Mary Washington didn't file to host a game.

Catholic has never had a coach or AD on the men's basketball committee, regional or national, since I first became aware of the process in 1995.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on January 12, 2006, 02:14:11 PM
Catholic has never had a coach or AD on the men's basketball committee, regional or national, since I first became aware of the process in 1995.
Quote

Pat "Choo Choo" Coleman, I never once said Catholic had a coach or AD on any committee. I was asking a simple question regarding Mary Washington.
As for Wilkes "supplanting" Catholic at the last moment in 1998, perhaps that was justified? I mean, Wilkes had nobody watching their backs that year but much has changed since then. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 12, 2006, 02:24:16 PM
I didn't say you said Catholic did. Seeing where your line of questioning was going, I figured I had better answer the next question as well.

Was that your so-called shenanigan? Pretty weak. You should try reheating your cases before posting them. :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach C on January 12, 2006, 02:43:41 PM
I came back from my drink and things have not improved.

You actually have to apply to host a game.  If you don't then you get sent on the road.

Wilkes?  This is the wrong yea to be saying folks have got their back.

C
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 12, 2006, 03:50:02 PM
I apply the same logic to Wilkes hosting Catholic in 1998, as those have used in the past to defend F&M hosting Wilkes in '96.  Doesn't having won the Regional, in retrospect, warrant hosting it?  It's one thing to host it, and get smoked by 30 in the Sweet 16, but both Wilkes '98 and F&M '96 went to the Final Four.  Can't take anything away from them.

Just getting back in from the roadie to see Wilkes / Scranton, and it didn't disappoint.  Put those two teams on a court, and it'll be fun.

Getting Scranton post-injuries (at home) and Kings pre-winning streak (also at home) definitely helped.  However, had you told me pre-season that Wilkes would be 3-0, alone in first place, with wins over Scranton, Kings, and DeSales... I'd take it.  Amazing how after the 3 inexcusbale losses, a single-digit win over a shell of Scranton's team, ehh, all is forgiven.  :)

Heh, but seriously, TWO winters.  That has to suck. (You had to be there, I guess...)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 12, 2006, 08:46:28 PM
Yeah, winning an overtime game and a nailbiter championship definitely justifies hosting it.

Winning a neutral-site sectional is a far better indicator of having deserved to host it. Wilkes didn't win either game in the sectional by more than the homecourt advantage margin.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on January 12, 2006, 09:30:25 PM
Pat "Jerry" Coleman
Is there a rule in the book that says you must win by a certain amount of points?
Come on, man.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on January 12, 2006, 09:33:28 PM
FYI
When Scranton won the national title in 1983, they beat Moravian by 16, Widener by five in 3 OT's and Potsdam State by 1, all at home, before heading to Calvin College for the Final Four. Should we take the championship away Scranton because they didn't steamroll every opponent? Of course not.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on January 12, 2006, 10:07:07 PM
Quote from: Coach C on January 12, 2006, 11:51:18 AM
This is WAY ancient history.  There is no CUA bias on the poll.  There is no CUA bias on the site.  You guys who say this are complete and utter fools. 

That's it!  I've had it.  I am going to get a drink!

C

Looks like we know who voted for Catholic.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on January 12, 2006, 10:30:21 PM
I'll have a drink on that one! ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 12, 2006, 11:32:39 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 12, 2006, 08:46:28 PM
Yeah, winning an overtime game and a nailbiter championship definitely justifies hosting it.

Winning a neutral-site sectional is a far better indicator of having deserved to host it. Wilkes didn't win either game in the sectional by more than the homecourt advantage margin.


I'd agree.  Two double-OT games.  Best night of basketball I've ever seen.  I think any of those four teams in '98 could have gone to Salem if they all played at a neutral court.  So, there's a big difference between the two sectionals Colonel John mentions.  Not to take anything away from what Wilkes did in '98, but F&M didn't leave anyone guessing who deserved that sectional in 1996.  You can't compare the two.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 12, 2006, 11:37:41 PM
Took in the game Wed. night and have just a few observations:

re Scranton:

Randy Arnold has certainly established himself in the upper tier of Freedom point guards. Handled the ball, created shots for teammates, made some very difficult
shots himself, pressured the ball and pilfered a few passes.

The big Aussie played soft as did all the other rather tall Royals. He's only a frosh so maybe later....
Alfier and Kirk can shoot but don't really create.
A few of those injured did play but they need Cannon's 'O' ----
This team only goes as far as RA can carry them imho.

re Wilkes---

First, Matt Gould---the things he brings cannot be measured or found in the box score. His intensity and attitude set the tone defensively. He takes on the best guards on the opposing team and saps their strength.  Each time Coach JR subbed for Matt, Royal guards scored and Matt came right back in the game.
A genuine stopper!! A pleasure to watch.

The game was won 'inside' for a change. Colonels attacked the paint in the 2nd half and scored many inside baskets...(I recall Constantime with 2 layups, Gould one, Shovlin a few, Cardamone got one and Walters had quite a few.)

Constantine had a hard time getting an open look beyond the arc. Kable didn't handle Arnold's quickness and his shooting rhythm was off. Shovlin scored early and often. He penetrated well, made some nice dishes. Not his best shooting night but scored a 'quiet' 24.  Walters dominated the inside with 11 boards and few blocks and 19 markers. Maybe just maybe he will get an attitude offensively and stop taking those foolish reach in fouls. (especially after a defensive rebound has been secured).

Wilkes clearly the better team Wed. but still lacks the killer instinct or the ability to open up and put an opponent away.

I would be remiss if I didn't acknowledge Coach JR's golfing ability. Last nite he "Teed" it up again.  Why and for what----only the ref knows. I was near the bench and he said nada. During a timeout, he simply took his jacket off and the short zebra teed him up? Par for the course I guess...lol.

Anyone have a clue???

Naismith



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Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 13, 2006, 09:20:56 AM
Naismith, I concur.  I have all the respect in the world for Randy Arnold, something I couldn't say before Wednesday's game.  When / if Scranton gets healthy, and Arnold gets some help from a big man, beware.

Wilkes certainly seemed to be the better squad.  That said, they left some points on the table.  This could have been a bigger win, but eh, don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining.  Any game that involves Matt Gould smacking the floor a la Steve Wojciehowski at Cameron Indoor - great to see.

Anytime I get the chance to relive that Sweet 16 night in 1998, it's a good day.  After seeing Catholic take Hunter to 2 OT's before admirably bowing out, I figured the Rowan v. Wilkes game would be a letdown.  And the Rowan game, also 2 OT, was better.  Unbelievable.

I mean, seriously, you get through a tough Australia winter, and it's time to go back to school, and it's winter again!  Two winters!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach C on January 13, 2006, 09:37:34 AM
Actually children, I voted CUA #25 in one poll this year.  The next week the Cardianls went out and lost at Susqy and that was that.

I just think that talking about stuff from 1996 in the same set of posts as a poll from 9 FRIGGING YEARS LATER is completely gonzo nuts!!!!!!!!!

C
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on January 13, 2006, 09:50:46 AM
Definitions of a forum:

*a public meeting place for open discussion: *a medium (as a newspaper) of open discussion or expression of ideas; *a public meeting or lecture involving audience discussion; *a program (as on radio or television) involving discussion of a problem usually by several authorities.

History, ancient or otherwise, can be discussed in a forum.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on January 13, 2006, 10:33:33 AM
Getting back to current basketball...I would disagree somewhat with your assesment of Tom Bicknell(The Aussie) playing "soft" Mr. Naismith. I would agree it was not one of his more dominate games, but I would attribute that to three reasons...Cannon, FitzPatrick & Clabby...and not the Law Firm. With them out, Wilkes was able to double-down on him with Cardimone & Walters all night and not pay any attention to the wings. Let's face it, Cannon & FitzPatrick live out there & Clabby is a slasher so Wilkes could never had just taken the game plan they used had they played. When they are hitting from the wings, Arnold hitting from all over, and Clabby driving   it certainly opens things up for Tom & Mike(the other big also out) underneath. The Royals will be fine once all get better & get a few games under their belts & get their legs back. I still see them as the best team when healthy so regardless where they end up during the regular season...I think in a 2 game series they can win it. The big loss right now is Mike McGowan for the season...a 2 year starter & top 3pt. shooter...that hurts but it opens a door for Ryan Kirk. When all is said & done I think Scranton, Wilkes & Kings will be there, the $64,000 question is who will team #4 be, Desales or Lyco.? FDU is FDU, tough at home less than average on the road, ditto for Drew & DVC. And yes, Randy Arnold played a magnificent all-around game. He was pressured from the tip, dished out his own D, hit 3's., drove the lane & did his best to put what was essentially his practice squad 2 weeks ago in position to win this game in the last 2 minutes. An A+ effort from all the kids & coaches at Scranton...they'll need the same effort tomorrow on the road in the Garden State.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 13, 2006, 12:14:31 PM
Quote from: cold_case on January 12, 2006, 09:33:28 PM
FYI
When Scranton won the national title in 1983, they beat Moravian by 16, Widener by five in 3 OT's and Potsdam State by 1, all at home, before heading to Calvin College for the Final Four. Should we take the championship away Scranton because they didn't steamroll every opponent? Of course not.

I don't see how your oranges compare to my apples. Talk about jumping to an illogical extreme!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on January 14, 2006, 12:57:56 PM
Pat "Morita" Coleman, I sent you an important e-mail. I'd appreciate a response.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 14, 2006, 02:05:52 PM
Head_case:

I see no e-mail from GoByeByeMingy@aol.com.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on January 14, 2006, 04:02:47 PM
Guru,
D-III cries out for publicity. Keep doing your best to destroy it. E-mail is on its way.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 14, 2006, 04:56:47 PM
Professional journalists get professional responses. Cranks on message boards get crank responses.

Think about how you present yourself when you e-mail someone. I know you're a sportswriter but even sportswriters should manage some profssionalism. Please don't live down to the public's perception of us. Thanks.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on January 14, 2006, 08:31:12 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 14, 2006, 04:56:47 PM
Professional journalists get professional responses. Cranks on message boards get crank responses.

Think about how you present yourself when you e-mail someone. I know you're a sportswriter but even sportswriters should manage some profssionalism. Please don't live down to the public's perception of us. Thanks.

Right, show professionalism instead of taking it public.
By the way, what is the public's perception?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 14, 2006, 09:30:56 PM
Quote from: cold_case on January 14, 2006, 12:57:56 PM
Pat "Morita" Coleman, I sent you an important e-mail. I'd appreciate a response.

Quote from: cold_case on January 14, 2006, 08:31:12 PM
Right, show professionalism instead of taking it public.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach C on January 15, 2006, 02:32:22 AM
Pat -

You mean the perception that sportswriters are wannabes with substance abuse problems, poor hygiene and clothing issues who manage to have more substantial mental issues than coaches?  That perception???

C
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kingjames on January 15, 2006, 02:49:08 AM
Wow, sorry but this forum is a joke.  It reflects it's admin. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 15, 2006, 02:57:48 AM
Sorry, man. Guess we should go back to the days where we had players' parents grinding their personal axes against coaches, where fans talked more about the fights after the games than the games themselves, where both coaches AND sports information people from the same school got onto the board to combat other posters.

I, for one, am glad those days are gone.

Perhaps if you had more to contribute than complaints about the site and your inability to use the tools it provides, things might be better.

Quote from: kingjames on January 12, 2006, 08:25:36 AM
Let me get this off my chest.  Who's running this site?  Why can't users start a new thread so we don't have to dig through 16 pages of posts?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on January 15, 2006, 08:57:18 PM
First time poster, long time lurker. 

Just want to know why this board has become so hostile over the past few days.  Why so mad everybody?

As for my loyalties, I guess its pretty evident by name.  Speaking of which, the North Main Street Crew seems to have turned things around a bit, huge game this Wednesday

-Leo
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 16, 2006, 09:13:31 AM
I can attest to being a D3 basketball fan both before (pre-99 or so) and during the D3hoops.com era.  Before, there were rankings, but no one knew what they counted as, or where to find them.  The only information you could get on a team was from the school's website, and anyone who tried finding school's sites, let alone a basketball page ON said site... lemme tell ya, easier said than done.

For those who think they can do a better job, heh heh, go for it.  Ask Pat how easy the job is.  Hey Pat, how many hours do you put in during tournament week?  For how much an hour?  And people here give him crap for bringing us closer to the game.  Crticism?  We should nominate the guy for sainthood.

Standings of EVERY conference (and non-conference), links to every team's page on here and every school's site, message boards for each conference, national message boards, live audio of games, the most complete D-3 Top 25 rankings... by the way, all of that for men AND WOMEN.

It's a thankless job.  That said, thanks, Pat.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 16, 2006, 12:32:31 PM
Thanks, John.

I try not to track my hours, because since I haven't drawn a paycheck since the tech crash in ... what, 2000? ... it's just disheartening to think about the site in those terms. :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on January 16, 2006, 01:13:48 PM
That is all very well and nice...


but Wilkes is still not getting an at-large bid!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: fanfromafar on January 17, 2006, 01:35:41 AM
This is the most comprehensive college basketball web-site in America, at any division, period.  The fact that you can access every team, male and female, in every region is simply outstanding.

What a tremendous resource we have here, and Pat provides not only accurate and up to the minute information, but sensible, intelligent commentary.  I wish such a site were also available for D I and D II.

Thank you, Pat Coleman!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 17, 2006, 01:44:16 AM
Sure, there's a chance of a Wilkes at-large bid.  Those 3 straight losses are what the selection committee refers to as "character builders".  Other than that streak, Wilkes is 8-1 (4-0).  Nobody's perfect - the key is seeing how a team reacts to adversity, and Wilkes has responded.

And Pat, I pour my heart out in a post extolling all the benefits of your fair site, and I don't get one lousy karma point?  Y'know what, screw you, the site sucks anyway.  ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 17, 2006, 02:24:42 AM
I did but someone else must have smited you. I'll try again. :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 17, 2006, 09:07:50 AM
Pat, all has once again been forgiven.

In the meantime, there's a showdown of 3-1 teams in conference tomorrow.  Leo the Lion, where's the King's speech about having a dream of beating Scranton? (Y'mean, yesterday wasn't in rememberance of King's, or that dream?)  Guy, SJ - step up, talk some junk.  Saratoga, where are you?

As a quick aside, just imagine the wreckage that, say, Matt Cusano (or, for that matter, a 1988 JP Andrejko) would unleash on this year's King's low-posts.  Somewhere the ghost of Stephen Loud cries, "Where were these chances when I had eligiblity?!"
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach C on January 17, 2006, 09:56:15 AM
CJ4L -

I dropped one of my very infrequent karma points on ya.

At large bid?  Please tell me you had been enjoying a few adult beverages before you posted that.  Marywood???

C
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on January 17, 2006, 12:34:18 PM
CJ4L-

A dream indeed, but hopefully made reality tomorrow night.  I'm really looking forward to drive up 81 tomorrow night.  The winner of this game by default becomes the biggest threat to Wilkes's conference supremacy.  After the heartbreaking loss to Wilkes and the embarassing lose to BBC, things looked bleak.  But the recent win streak has the Monarch faithful and the Senuna's Regulars believing again. 

Bottom line: A win tomorrow proves the team is for a real and will be a threat for the MAC Crown once again.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on January 17, 2006, 06:10:34 PM
First & foremost Pat, I echo CJ's. sentiments regarding "your" brainchild of D3Hoops being first-class and allowing certain b-ball junkies such as ourselves to express various ideas & thoughts about teams & issues. It must indeed be frustrating to put all that time, energy & personal finances into into your passion only to have a few malcontents continually whine about some obscure point. I know I have not said it recently, but; THANK YOU for giving all of us this forum of communication. That said...back to business. Leo, Leo, Leo..."A win tomorrow PROVES the team (Kings) is for real". How? Why? A full Kings team playing a Scranton team decimated by injuries & that proves something? For instance? Look, the Royals can't & won't allow their players to feel sorry for themselves for their current misfortune & a loss is a loss whether at full strength or with only 7 kids dressing, but; you can't imply that should Kings defeat Scranton under these circumstances that it "proves" anything re. the ability of the Monarchs. After all, this current Royals lineup with the exception of Arnold & Bicknell & all the bench players were the 2nd. & 3rd. team 2 weeks ago. The beauty of D-3 is taking place right before our eyes as 5 kids who rarely got off the bench are now starting & getting 15 minutes a game & doing a pretty good job. Kings may certainly win the game, but I'm certainly not convinced it proves anything.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on January 17, 2006, 07:15:15 PM
CJ,

Way to honor the memory of MLK. Classy.


Kings vs Scranton ? Would like to see some injured Royals back for this one, without anyone back , i say flip a coin. Any injury updates?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 17, 2006, 07:23:39 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 17, 2006, 06:10:34 PM
First & foremost Pat, I echo CJ's. sentiments regarding "your" brainchild of D3Hoops being first-class and allowing certain b-ball junkies such as ourselves to express various ideas & thoughts about teams & issues. It must indeed be frustrating to put all that time, energy & personal finances into into your passion only to have a few malcontents continually whine about some obscure point.

Saratoga:

Agreed.

Until Pat came on the scene with his basketball and football sites, few people, outside of the institutions, players, and coaches themselves, gave a rip about D3 sports. Because of hard work by Pat and his colleagues, D3 now enjoys a considerable . . .  a high level of national awareness.

As to the whining malcontents ... hell, just ignore them.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach C on January 17, 2006, 07:35:30 PM
I am reguarly amazed at how much there is on this site, and then I realize that I only hang out on really 1/3 of the site, since there is the womne's side and the whole menagerie over on the football side.  Plus Ralph's new foray into hardball.

It is truly amazing all that Pat has done!

C

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on January 17, 2006, 08:36:45 PM
Saratoga,

I thought some of those injured players we're going to be ready for this week, must have got my signals crossed up.

As for the "prooves" comment, I think a win would proove that King's is a threat for the MAC crown.  They probably should already be considered a threat considering they went down to the wire with the first place team in the conference.

Despite the injuries, The Long Center is still The Long Center, always a tough place for the road teams.  And don't kid yourself, despite the Royals injuries they are still a talented bunch.  So if the Monarchs do pull off the victory tomorrow night, it will still be a huge victory.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: upton on January 17, 2006, 09:40:13 PM
I would say this is a bigger game for King's and all of the other teams at or near the top of the Freedom.  When and if Scranton gets healthy, they are going to be a very hard team to beat down the stretch.  The other teams are going to want a game or two lead over them before that time comes.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 18, 2006, 02:27:22 AM
Coach C - thanks for the karma.  Glad to keep the positive energy flowing.

Guy, SJ - the MAC Freedom board has never been noted for its couth.  Never.  ;D  That said, I intended the post to be vaguely respectful, hope it came off as such.

Saratoga, can I be a malcontent that whines about a mundane detail?? Your use of the comma and semicolon around the word "but" was, in a word, dreadful. :) 
Quote from: saratoga on January 17, 2006, 06:10:34 PM
I know I have not said it recently, but; THANK YOU for giving all of us this forum of communication.

Upton - you nailed it.   The objective is to get ino the playoffs, the top 4 in conference.  Rack up the W's while they're available.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on January 18, 2006, 10:02:01 AM
Sorry CJ...just a case of happy fingers. I'm actually surprised I didn't catch that myself. I've stared many times at some of the spelling & punctuation on the board but figure most people are just trying to bang out an idea. By the way, I was not referring to you in my previous post & I actually gave you some props...not karma, props!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on January 18, 2006, 11:09:29 PM
Just got back from the Long Center, and it was not a banner night for the Monarchs.  Scranton wins by four,  Kings would be consistently down 8 or 9, get it back to four or five and then go back down 9 or 10.  No big runs and the big play was missing for the Monarchs.

The Monarchs had front row tickets to the Randy Arnold show tonight.  Both him and Kirk played well against King's has freshmen last year, but this year it looks like they may be making the move from "solid freshmen" to "Future MAC Stars" especially in Arnold's case.

Frustating loss for King's though, things just look sluggish out there tonight.  The Royals were always one step ahead.  The Monarch's road record this year has also been a problem, last year they lost only 2 games away from Wilkes-Barre, this year they've lost all but 2 (Marywood and DelVal). 

The team still has potential though.  Still a long road to go.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wb1313 on January 19, 2006, 02:42:19 PM
Hey CJ, 
Are you drinking the Januzzi cool-aid again? Wilkes would have to run the table to get an at-large bid, and we both know how likely that is.  The Colonels still have the dreaded road swing through New Jersey and local rivalry games at Scranton and King's.  Marywood and Keystone did this teams chances in.  If there was a d3 RPI for conferences, the MAC Freedom would be dragging down the entire MAC.  I'm sorry but I put away the Wilkes and MAC slushy weeks ago!   ::) Win the conference to get in or play in the ECAC's. 

If Scranton didn't lose to Chestnut Hill, I'd say they have a shot, but more knowledgable posters can back me up on all of this. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on January 19, 2006, 10:18:27 PM
Pool C for the MAC?  I think that's a very, very long shot.

Look, I really like this conference.  I like the coaches, the SIDs, the players...even most of the people on this board.  ;)

But this conference is having a bad year.   How bad?  The top 3 have lost to Baruch, Marywood, Chestnut Hill, Keystone, Susquehanna and Baptist Bible.  Read that list again.

Even within this region (which is down on a whole), Wilkes would have a tough fight for a Pool C.  Their two loses puts them tied with or behind York, CUA, UMW, Widener, Ursinus, Alvernia and Johns Hopkins.  Obviously not all of those teams will win their conference.

They would almost have to run the table until a loss in the conference tournament final.  CJ, you may want to start smacking your leg with your baseball glove and saying, "Ya gotta believe!"
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: upton on January 19, 2006, 10:24:32 PM
WB,
    I agree that without the Chestnut Hill loss, Scranton would have had the best chance at an at large bid.  However, with the poor league we have this year and their lack of a big win over a ranked team, I don't think it would have happened.
    On another note, the young and inexperienced players for the Royals are coming into their own.  They will be a great benefit come playoff time.  The experience they have gotten due to the injuries to other players could pay dividends later on.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 20, 2006, 09:45:39 AM
Jaime Cerda / Marco Scutaro,

I'm absolutely that guy in the dugout with the hat on inside-out chanting something incoherent in the hopes of a comeback.

My pipe dream is this - should a team, for example, Wilkes, run the table and make the MAC-F title game... a win gets the automatic bid, obviously, and a loss still has a shot at a Pool C bid.  20-5, with only 3 losses in region?  Possible, right?  Given that same scenario, Scranton would be 22-5.  Admittedly, running the table doesn't happen often, but hey, that's what message boards are for!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on January 21, 2006, 05:42:29 PM
King's beats FDU 75-58,

Ho hum game, about what you would expect from these two teams.  King's pulled away in the second half.

-Leo
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 22, 2006, 04:41:02 AM
King's, Wilkes, and Scranton all rack up W's and get some separation. 

Everyone take note of the DeSales / Lycoming matchup on Wednesday.  4th place in the division on the line.  As we all know, the key is to make the MAC-F playoffs, and pending a decent shake-up, only one of those 2 gets in.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 22, 2006, 01:35:50 PM
CJ,

After watching Drew and Del Val versus Wilkes the past two weekends, I tend to agree.
It looks like Wilkes, Kings, Scranton and, my guess, "DeSales Prevails".  But it is early.

Seems the top conference teams have found a way to 'slow' down Lyco's Pribble. He has some help but apparently not quite enough.

As far as Del Val goes, they are pretty athletic team that still plays a bit to much one on one. For whatever reason, they seemed to have throttled Pinckney quite a bit. He is an explosive scorer but did not handle the ball as often in the Wilkes contest and seemed to play fewer minutes.

Drew had a very young roster. Was impressed with Lopez. Solid fundamentally. Nice shooter and plays hard. Drew ran a lot of high post give and go stuff with screeners trying to free their shooters on the wing.
They had little inside presence. 
Drew substituted freely and must have played 10 or more.
Thye are not real tall, but, as I said, they are young and not without potential. If they recruit an inside scorer and 'power' type guy to hit the glass, they could be a threat.

Wilkes was able to get open looks from the 3 pt. line and penetrated as well.
Evan W. fouled out ......(I hate to say again)......maybe 1 or two were borderline calls but it is a consistent problem. Kline played well as did all four guards. (Gould, Shovlin, Kable and Constantine).
Sclafani put in a few minutes he would probably like to forget.  He needs to stop pressing. He can play some but just seems to get down on himself.  Adams continues to impress with his energy and inside play. Cardamone still isn't an offensive "finisher" and smiles even when making a foolish play. 
Goode has disappeared on the bench and the rest saw some time at game's end.

If Wilkes handles FDU, they are 7-0 first half with the DeSales, Kings, Scranton stretch on tap...starts to get interesting.....
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on January 22, 2006, 02:35:52 PM
Naismith-

If I'm not mistaken, the MAC schedule has been slightly altered this year and King's doesn't play Wilkes till the last Tuesday game of the regular season.  I believe this game would be King's Senior's Night.

-Leo
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 23, 2006, 12:06:10 AM
Stand corrected.  2nd half shedule is different than 1st.
Thanks Leo.

Sure wish they wouldn't schedule Wilkes and Kings home-home and away-away.

It's been feast or famine recently.

Regards

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on January 24, 2006, 05:47:30 PM
Tomorrow's game feature both Wilkes-Barre teams traveling to The Garden State.  Not sure if I'll be there in person to see Kings vs. Drew, the two hour drive on a Wednesday night may be too much for me.

Game of the night though will be DeSales vs. Lyco.  Seems like this is a much bigger game for the Bulldogs.  Considering a 2-5 first half (if they lose) is likely a dagger to their season.  Granted, anything could happen, but a team that only beats DelVal and one of the Jersey teams in the first half doesn't seem like much of a playoff contender.  Just my $.02

-Leo.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on January 24, 2006, 09:31:53 PM
Leo,

Save your gas and your money!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 25, 2006, 09:32:39 PM
Leo,

How many Monarchs suited up for tinight's action?

Why you ask?

Read this (today's Citizen's Voice):



http://www.citizensvoice.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15995361&BRD=2259&PAG=461&dept_id=455154&rfi=8

A coach's  nightmare I would think.

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: uofs on January 25, 2006, 11:08:18 PM
Pat maybe you could help me.How do you consider Scranton having 4 loses in the region.I`m pretty sure New jersey wouldn`t count in the region so if that is the case Scranton should only have 3.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on January 26, 2006, 12:49:51 AM
UofS:

There are two ways that a game counts in region. 

First, the opponent could be in the region as defined by the NCAA.  Chestnut Hill, Wilkes and CUA quality under that criterion.

The second is that the opponent is within 200 miles of you, regardless of what region they are in.  Ewing, NJ is within that distance of Scranton, PA.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on January 26, 2006, 12:51:51 PM
First last night's game,

After reading the boxscore, It appears that all went well for the Monarchs with good performances out of Dwebeng, Scalzo and Cousart.


Now onto other issues,
I did indeed see that Voice article.  It appears that there were no suspensions last night, as two of the Monarchs named in that article did appear in the Box Score.  The third one was not in the box, but hasn't received significant playing time this year, so it is likely he dressed too. 

I'm not going to mention these players by name here, because its really not fair to these young men.  This is not a D-1 school, these athletes receive the same benefits as other students (no athletic scholarships) so I think it is unfair to write an article like this. 

I don't know how far the people on this board are removed from their college days, but there are 2 givens in almost every campus in the country.  1) The majority of college students drink alcohol and 2) the majority of college students are underage.  I'm not saying its right/wrong or illegal/legal, but those are just the facts.  I'm willing to guess that there have been many students and student-athletes over the years from Wilkes and Kings that have been cited for similar violations.  Yet most of these violations don't appear in Citizen Voice articles (at the most they show up in the police blotter). 

I just think the article was unfair to the players, because there have likely been similar situations to this that have gone unmentioned.  I wish them all the best though and hope they can put this behind them.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 26, 2006, 01:04:11 PM
Wilkes, Scranton, and King's win.  Notable because Wilkes and King's both rack up wins in Jersey.  Win 'em all at home, win 'em both in Jersey, and you win the division.

King's students drinking underage?  No way. :o  As a Wilkes fan, I recognize we are not without sin, so I won't cast any stones.  I'll ask for a quick show of hands - who didn't have their first beer until they were 21??  Just as I thought...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on January 26, 2006, 02:51:53 PM
Quote from: Leo The Lion on January 26, 2006, 12:51:51 PM
I'm willing to guess that there have been many students and student-athletes over the years from Wilkes and Kings that have been cited for similar violations.  Yet most of these violations don't appear in Citizen Voice articles (at the most they show up in the police blotter). 

I just think the article was unfair to the players, because there have likely been similar situations to this that have gone unmentioned.  I wish them all the best though and hope they can put this behind them.

Leo the Lion.
I take it you don't approve of the "new" Citizens' Voice.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on January 26, 2006, 02:53:48 PM
Is this the same writer that broke the story about 6 years ago of a certain Wilkes coach hanging with some Wilkes mens players watching some Wilkes womens players do their best to win a wet tee shirt contest at some bar in WilkesBarre???
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 26, 2006, 03:03:17 PM
Leo and CJ,

Agreed, most undergrads should probably tap into their studies rather than kegs of Gibbons or Steg.
I wonder what kind of beer they drink on campus these days????
Probably some high octane, lo-carb, lo-cal, lite beer that comes in 50 flavors.

In my day, National Bohemian was the cheapest stuff at the local distributor ($2.50 per/case).
Occasionally we'd all pool our pennies for a quarter of Lowenbrau (when it was still German brewed).
An old Vietnam Vet chopper pilot turned us on to that brand.  Very potent and smooth---as one classmate dubbed it, "The Nectar of the Gods..."

As to the CV story, I think the fact that this involves a 'police arrest' and isn't just a campus investigated incident makes it news.  Certainly, athletes, even at the D3 level, should expect scrutiny....
Especially if one is arrested.
Most teams I played on had a 'policy' regarding drug and alcohol use. I'm sure JP does as well.

Leo and CJ, if you were the coach and the allegations were proven true, what would you do?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 26, 2006, 03:11:39 PM
Cold-Case,

What clues led you to that conclusion....??? ???  You sound a bit forensically challenged. Better watch the reruns. :'(


Or are you just jockeying for the Pulitzer Prize Poster award????  ;D

Who is you write for anyway????? the TL, CV or some other local rag??? ???
Inquiring minds would like to know???? ;)

Naismith

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on January 26, 2006, 04:31:59 PM
Quote from: naismith on January 26, 2006, 03:11:39 PM
Who is you write for anyway????? the TL, CV or some other local rag??? ???
Inquiring minds would like to know???? ;)

Naismith

If they're local rags, why do you read them? ::)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on January 26, 2006, 06:35:37 PM
CC-

I don't know what this "new" Citizen's Voice is you speak of.  So I really can't respond to that.  I don't really have a preference between the CV or the Leader.  I usually just read whatever's available at work.  I don't know anything about the writer, other than it appears from previous articles that he covers College and High School Basketball

Naismith-
The article says "cited", I'm no Legal Eagle, so I'm not exactly sure what or if there is a difference between "cited" and "arrested". 

I would like to point out that I'm not "too" far away from the College Days.  But it seemed to me that arrests were more common than you thought.  There were more than a few stories of people getting arrested for alcohol-related violations.  Of course whether those were factual or tall-tales, I'll never know.

I know that D-3 athletes should expect some scrutiny, after all public High School athletes get a lot of coverage in this area.  If this incident happens in September or May, I doubt it gets any press, but since we are in the middle of the season it received coverage.

As for any disciplenarian actions, I really don't want to speculate.  But I probably wouldn't come down too hard.  Maybe it's my jaded attitude from my college years, but I think this is more common than we all think.  I guess we will never no for sure.

-Leo
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on January 26, 2006, 08:38:30 PM
Suspend them for one game ( if at all possibly against vs drew or del val) : end of story. 


Tell me more about these Wet T-Shirts you speak of ?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: upton on January 26, 2006, 10:39:47 PM
Colonel,
     Here's a hand.  35 years old and I still haven't had my first beer yet.

     As for the players, if the coach has a policy, he should stick to it and give whatever punishment the policy states.

     As a former high school coach (not of basketball), I know that it is important to stick to your decisions and rules if you want to maintain control of your team and the respect of your players.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 26, 2006, 11:33:23 PM
Quote from: uofs on January 25, 2006, 11:08:18 PM
Pat maybe you could help me.How do you consider Scranton having 4 loses in the region.I`m pretty sure New jersey wouldn`t count in the region so if that is the case Scranton should only have 3.

FAQ.

Check the FAQ.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 27, 2006, 07:44:58 AM
Upton - congrats.  Walk proudly.  Your point rings true, but I still suspect you're in the minority.  Perhaps not a Mondale/Ferraro '84 minority, maybe a Bush '92 minority.

Naismith, if I were the coach, I have no idea what I'd do.  I'd hope there were guidelines, or a past case I could just point to and say, "Here's your punishment.  I'm sorry.  Keep practicing."

My only thoughts that lean me toward clemency - neither the provider, nor the consumer were driving anywhere.  There are shades of right and wrong, and clearly this is a dark gray, but it's no involuntary manslaughter, it's no DUI, it's no public intoxication.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 27, 2006, 07:54:49 AM
All that said, the real punishment for these guys should happen February 4th at DeSales.  DeSales fans, LISTEN UP.  You have 8 days, get creative.  Any time Cousart touches the ball, chant a beer's name at him. (perhaps Chimay Belgian Trappist Ale is too long, I advise Coors Light, two quick syllables.)  Anytime Moore touches the ball, scream about providing to minors.

ex.) Cousart misses a jumper, "Maybe when you turn 21, those shots will fall!"
ex.) Moore misses a free throw, "That rim's about as friendly as your parole officer!"

A loss at DeSales will be absolutely devastating to them.  DeSales fans, get it done.  Anything short of these guys walking off the court in tears, and I'll be disappointed in you.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopzwiz on January 27, 2006, 11:03:25 AM
Here's my question....
If the King's kids were on the tennis team would this be an issue.  I believe the answer is 'no'.  Basketball is more glamorous and headline grabbing than other sports so that so-called sports writer takes the opportunity to get his name out there and take a cheap shot at student-athletes doing the same thing as most other non-athletes.  The reporter should be embarassed and Coach Andrejko should keep the guy out of his gym.

All local coaches should stay away from that rag.  Give comments to the other papers, let that paper continue being a tabloid. 

Hey, Steve Bennett, I saw a volleyball player from Penn State-Hazleton j-walking, I think there's a story there.  Get to work Geraldo.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: rollingthunda on January 27, 2006, 11:18:33 AM
I think most in-season alcohol violatoin policies probably carry something like a 2 game suspension.  Being an Etown grad, I know this is the policy there.  Picking certain games to sit the players because the opposing team is not good would be a bad show of character on the coaches part.  If there were too many players involved to sit at once because it they would barely have enough to play than staggered suspensions would suffice.  Otherwise, sitting them all for the next determined number of games is the only classy way to run a program.

hoopwiz,

I definitely agree with your point about this writer taking a cheap-shot at athletes.  I think it adds to the misperception that athletes are partiers on a much larger scale than most students when infact, 90% of there peers are doing the same exact thing they are.  Athletes are definitely more scrutinized because they are exposed to more people.

Colonel,

You are definitley my kind of fan.  I wont make it to the DeSales game, but would definitely like to hear what the student section puts out for that game.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 27, 2006, 11:49:11 AM
A lot to respond to....the Reply mailbag is full....

CC,
Read both the local papers....the term 'rag' being simply a figure of speech....of course.
But you didn't answer the question of whom you write for? In a prior post, I think you alluded to the fact that you represented the media is some fashion. I think the conversation was with PC.  No?  I could be mistaken.

Leo,
The Citizen's Voice was purchased a few years ago. I think the Lynott family in Scranton now controls the Voice. Knight Ridder still owns the Times Leader. That's the 'new' CV.

Section J, 
The wet T-shirt thing happened some 7-8 years ago. A grad ass't at Wilkes was at a local saloon. There was a wet T-shirt contest and some underage Wilkes cagers were there as well. (they went there separately) This happened during the NCAA tourney. The players involved did not suit up for the next game.  I think Wilkes lost and that was the end of the issue. Not sure about the grad ass't. He certainly is not at Wilkes today and may have been reprimanded in some fashion...??

CJ and Upton,

I agree with Upton 100%.
You have rules. Enforce them!.
Coach's are in a unique position to help mold character and teach lessons about life.
If you have a non-drinking policy in force during the season, then proper punishment should be enforced.
It's not the 'magnitude' of the rules breech. It is that the players knew the rule and willingly broke it.
A selfish act done without consideration of your teammates, coach etc. etc.

The players should be willing to 'take the medicine that Coach JP or the King's administration prescribes.  JMHO.

Two additional things:

1) My sources (unamed Monarchians) pointed out that the Wilkes-Barre PD. received a grant to hire extra staff (time and 1/2) to bust beer parties at Kings and Wilkes.

2) This is not an internal King's bust.  This is a police bust in which one player was 'charged' with furnishing alcohol to minors.  A bit different that just being underage and drinking...don't you think?

Naismith





Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 27, 2006, 04:06:22 PM
LOL, Colonel John, that's a real knee slapper, but not as funny as King's students throwing Olive Garden bills at a certain WIlkes player.
You remember? He wound up getting caught and arrested.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wb1313 on January 27, 2006, 05:45:54 PM
Isn't it time to change the drinking age in this country??    ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on January 27, 2006, 06:40:11 PM
Naismith-

I too heard that rumor from your unnamed sources.  This may be a result of that.  I've also been informed that an article was written about the actions of a former area HS athlete at an Olive Garden so its not only King's athletes being picked on. 

Anyway hopefully tommorow's games can't shift the focus back on the basketball.   Kings vs. DelVal (DelVal played them tough at home) and of course there is that other underlying story and DeSales at Wilkes which is probably the game of the night.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 27, 2006, 10:08:43 PM
Leo,

DeSales - Wilkes should be interesting...Will probably attend. Maybe CJ will be in town....although he is a Senunas guy at heart...

Not familiar with that Olive Garden story but it must be a funny one....

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on January 28, 2006, 05:30:49 PM
This Just In...Scranton holds Drew to 14 first half points @ Drew but then gets overwhelmed in the 2nd. half & loses by 2. From the sound of it on the radio, Arnold & Bicknell got hit with 2 quick fouls each within  the first 2 minutes of the 2nd. half to give them 4 each & over the first 12 minutes of the half, Drew outscored the Royals 18 to 3. No excuse for that loss...Jersey refs or otherwise. The Royals announcer stated that Drew was in the locker-room until there were 50 seconds to go before the start of the half, so Coach Towns must have really made some great adjustments & challenged the heart of his team...needless to say, they responded. This game & that comeback may be the game that saves Drew's season, conversly it may also be the game that sends a Scranton team that was hanging on by a thread into reverse...especially with their next game @ Kings. Sometimes this game is hard to figure...Scranton beats Drew by over 30 early...Drew gets hammered by Kings on Weds. at home...they are getting handled at will by the Royals in the 1st. half & then Scranton starts getting beat to loose balls, rebounds & ol'MO swings 180 degrees. UofS...your response of how this horror occured??? The Royals Smoke & Mirror machine breaks down in Madison...wonder if it can be fixed and soon? I'm sure this loss at some point in the near future will be pointed to...whether as a positive & learning experience or the one that killed a dream and exposed some real weakness remains to be seen. Regardless, an ugly loss for Scranton & a thing of beauty for the Drew kids & staff!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 28, 2006, 06:49:43 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 28, 2006, 05:30:49 PM
The Royals Smoke & Mirror machine breaks down in Madison...

Ouch. Tell us how you really feel...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on January 28, 2006, 08:14:55 PM
Well, when your two guard has been out since the Christmas break and your starting junior forwards have both been out nearly as long, when your top reserve & 3 pt. shooter has been out since the 4th. game of the year & your backup big has been out the past 5 games & you keep on finding ways to win, then in addition to good game preperation & great kids filling in...the smoke & mirror machine has always proved to be very helpful under these circumstances. I'm sure someone back at the UofS has it in the Chem. lab as we speak getting it refueled for the final push.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on January 28, 2006, 09:25:04 PM
Yo Saratoga, chill. The loss to Drew didn't mean a whole lot since Wilkes was also beaten. Even if Scranton won today, they still would have to run the table anyway. In fact, Wilkes losing puts more of a hurt on them if it comes to to tie-breakers. And I'm sure it will.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 28, 2006, 10:04:32 PM
Saratoga,

Was surprised as well to hear of such a Royal meltdown.
Drew has a young roster and Lopez is the real deal. It seems to me that Scranton will go as far as Arnold can take them.

Meanwhile, down at the Marts Center, I witnessed a rough and tumble free throw shooting shooting exhibition by DeSales as they upended the Colonels.

Opening:  
DeSales started out en fuego and Wilkes was down a very quick bakers dozen. Pesky Eddie Olson got Matt Gould in quick foul touble...so he sat a huge portion of the game.  Christman (2) and Olson hit '3's' in the run.
The Colonels played a man to man the entire half and deployed modest full court pressure for a possession or two.  
It didn't work and DeSales consistently rushed the ball upcourt, had the Colonels on their heels and in foul trouble. (Walters 3, Gould 3, Kline 3). DeSales was shooting double bonus for something like the last nine minutes of the 1st half.
Wilkes kept close behind some torrid shooting by Shovlin and Constantine. (31 of the Colonels 45 1st half pts.)
CS seemed to be enjoying a dialogue with some rabid Bulldogs under the Wilkes basket. Maybe they were Pit Bulls??? I dunno.
DeSales scored 48 1st half markers against a Wilkes defense that had not been given up 60 in the last five games.
Both teams shot better than 50% I am pretty certain.

Mid Game:
The 2nd half was interesting from a strategy point of view. DeSales had some quick fouls called (most were a bit tacky). Wilkes went to a zone as Gould, Walters and Kline quickly garnered their 4th fouls.
DeSales visibly struggled to get a shot off. Off balance, shot clock winding down, etc. Walton bailed them out on two or three occasions with buzzer beating "3's".
Wilkes did go back to man and zoned for a 2nd time. It worked for the first 15 minutes as Wilkes held DeSales to 15 points during that period.

DeSales also made some adjustments.  Raimo and McCloskey became glued to Shovlin in a DeSales man to man. They were also able to keep Constantine in check from the 3 pt. line. Wilkes did get some inside scoring and the game was nip and tuck.
DeSales also noticeably slowed the pace of the game in the 2nd half as they didn't visibly rush the ball down the floor and ran more offensive sets.

End Game:  At about the 4 minute mark, Kline tied the game with a top of the key three pointer.

At that point Wilkes came out of the zone and  fouls would plague them again.  Gould had already fouled out.  Walters and Kline soon followed.  With Walters out, DeSales was able to get inside for some layups.
and an offensive rebund or two. That,  and some strong work from the charity stripe,  sealed the deal.

The zebras called it tight but inconsistent. (quite a few anticipation fouls and blatantly missed travels) One ref called it very tight underneath and the other let them play. One riduculous offensive foul the entire game (Gould wasn't even dribbling)....Coach JR was shaking his head, took his jacket off but remained cool.

Rather lengthy summation fbo of CJ. Thought Olson was a big problem for Wilkes minus Gould. Walton's clutch shots, the defensive effort by Raimo and McCloskey plus excellent team shooting were the keys.

For Wilkes, continued excellent all around guard play. Shovlin was everywhere with steals, passes, penetration and 3's. Constantine outstanding shooting.
Wilkes failed to finish inside too often. The zone seemed to work but DeSales beat the Wilkes man to man and simply outexecuted the Colonels down the stretch.

Checkmate!

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on January 28, 2006, 10:08:01 PM
Thanks for the wrapup Naismith. I guess we don't have to read the local rags tomorrow. ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 28, 2006, 11:05:47 PM
CC,

Funny :D

Did you cover any games this weekend?

CJ said he thought you had the Kindergarten Classic??? ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on January 29, 2006, 08:47:09 AM
Quote from: naismith on January 28, 2006, 11:05:47 PM
CC,

Funny :D

Did you cover any games this weekend?

CJ said he thought you had the Kindergarten Classic??? ;D

Yes, I can appreciate a little humor. I understand Olive Garden is sponsoring that event.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on January 29, 2006, 10:09:12 AM
CC...If there is a pill to take to "chill"...I suggest you take a handfull. My post had nothing in the world to do with sour-grapes, just stating what I heard. If you read it correctly, you'd see I gave credit to the Drew players & coaching staff & also aknowledged the Scranton kids & staff for what hey've been able to accomplish under such adverse conditions. See your family physician...he can write you a prescription that CJ would be more than happy to fill that will help you relax a little better & take the edge off.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on January 29, 2006, 10:31:57 AM
Quote from: saratoga on January 29, 2006, 10:09:12 AM
CC...If there is a pill to take to "chill"...I suggest you take a handfull. My post had nothing in the world to do with sour-grapes, just stating what I heard. If you read it correctly, you'd see I gave credit to the Drew players & coaching staff & also aknowledged the Scranton kids & staff for what hey've been able to accomplish under such adverse conditions. See your family physician...he can write you a prescription that CJ would be more than happy to fill that will help you relax a little better & take the edge off.

Who said anything about sour grapes? All I said was you're upset over nothing. I also said the loss doesn't hurt Scranton as much as you think. Your reading comprehension is not very good, or perhaps you're simply looking for someone to argue with? If that's the case, you got the wrong person
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on January 29, 2006, 11:45:10 AM
While two bad losses in a season is alarming (chesnut hill and drew) , it seems like saratoga only posts up when the royals lose.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on January 29, 2006, 02:22:28 PM
CC: No, I'm not looking for anyone to argue with...but if I were, why would you be the "wrong" guy??? Is there some abstract cognitive functioning you have that you've yet to display? I guess the Vinny Barbarinoish post from you..."Yo Saratoga chill"...took me by surprise as there was no need for anyone to chill. As for posting up only when the Royals lose...I don't think so, but I'm also not someone that posts "only" when the team I follow wins...and goes away until their next victory. I think I've made it pretty clear that the job Coach Danzig & his staff have done under the conditions they've had to work as well as the effort by his healthy kids has been outstanding. However, I also think it's ok to pat the "other" team on the back when they accomplish something pretty special. I'm fairly sure if Coach Danzig had his full team healthy all season there would be a little more talk about the Royals game in & game out...but, with such a banged up group & so many playing now that did not figure to get these minutes early in the season...who needs to place extra pressue on them now by talking crap? The Royals just go out  & play the game & win or lose, we'll still be there... and not only during the fairest of weather.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 29, 2006, 02:26:01 PM
CC,

Who is this olive anyway?  
And where does her garden grow??

Saratoga,

Conferencewise, in all probability, Scranton still has to beat Wilkes and Kings. That would put them in the drivers seat.  If they lose both, DeSales and Lyco can play some catch up.
Ditto for Kings and Wilkes. (Wilkes with one conference loss obviously in the best position but that can change very very quickly).

All that to obtain the homecourt.  And then the playoffs.  It is pretty clear that this conference is only sending one team to the NCAA. So, it is a long season and we shall see.........................

As I see it:

Wilkes and Kings in a tossup for top team at this juncture. (Kings has strong inside game and Wilkes better on the perimeter.) E.Walters is Wilkes top inside player but, unfortunately, he has been a 'foul waiting to be called' all year. Just too many fouls, too early....too often. Sobo, 'the Nenster' and Scalzo are a nice combo for JP. Cousart has been playing tough and they have some perimeter shooters to boot.

Scranton and DeSales are next. When their shooting is on, DeSales is as good as anyone in the conference. A bit too inconsistent to merit top billing. Scranton just seems to be there despite what one might think is a mediocre talent. Arnold is special and he is their key.

Lycos has Pribble and a good point man in Musser.....they could move up.
And Drew has two big wins....they are young....and Lopez is an emerging star....Darkhorse.

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on January 29, 2006, 03:05:07 PM
Figured its time to put my $.02 on yesterday's action.

King's as expected defeated DelVal at home.  Highlight of the game though was a play with a Dwebeng diving for a loose ball dishing it from his back to Cousart who finished the play with a behind the back, over-the-shoulder pass to Moore for the layup.  A Scandlon crowd nowhere near capacity exploded for that one. 

It seems the MAC was turned into a free-for-all yesterday as the top two teams lost.  I still see the MAC breaking down as 5 teams for 4 spots, just like last year.  Drew is improved and Lopez is a solid player, but I just don't seem them being anything more than a spoiler at this point. 

Despite Scranton's loss I still think it is a three dog race for the top two spots, but DeSales may make their presence felt in that race.  Two nice victories turn around what was dismal Conference play up to that point.

The MAC looks like it is what its been for sometime now, a dogfight every night.

-Leo
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on January 29, 2006, 03:12:43 PM
naismith: I would certainly agree with that assesment at this point. The fact that Scranton was able to knock off Kings & defeat Desales in their bandbox says alot about their "potential". I personally like Kings over Wilkes based on their ability to go inside out over Wilkes and their virtual outside, outside, outside game. One dimensional teams, regardless of how talented are living on borrowed time. Scranton only has DelVal & Kings on the road, so they can finish strong at home & hopefully get at least one home game in the playoffs...if not two. It will be a typical finish, where at least 3 teams right now have a shot at coming in 1st. & 2 weeks from now anyone of those teams may also be waiting on tie-breaker configurations to see if they've even made it & where.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kingjames on January 30, 2006, 08:26:17 AM
The brew of choice on college campuses these days is "Lionshead", brewed at ye olde Lion brewery in Wilkes-Barre.  But it doesn't come in kegs  :-[  so the keg of choice is Keystone light, which as you should know is Coors Light sans the sticker.

The Olive Garden "dine and dash" incident was a high school thing (junior year?) and no charges were filed.  His embarrasement should be not dining at one of the many fine locally owned mom & pop restaurants in the Greater Wyoming Valley region.  Just pay the bill son it's your dad' money anyway.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 30, 2006, 09:49:58 AM
'Toga, I minored in MAC tie-breakers while an undergrad.  My personal favorite is non-regional common opponent.

Scranton - King's this week.  Both 6-2 in conference, follwoing the weekend matchups.  Who steps up? Who wants to be one step closer to a playoff spot?  Is Scranton healing, and will King's end up benching a player or two?

King James - Lion's Head is like $10 a case down here (South of the 570), I'm guessing it's certainly no more expensive there.  $10, decent tasting, go for it.

Every game counts...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bziadie on January 30, 2006, 10:27:57 AM
C.J.

I believe the correct criteria is non-regional, COMMON SITE, common-opponent.  It is like criteria #147 on the list. There are few things worse than trying to figure out the MAC tie-breaking criteria.  That guy that did the Rubick's (sp?) Cube in 11 seconds would even get stone-walled.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gizzard on January 30, 2006, 12:37:45 PM
Cousart has the first triple double in Kings history, I say keep boozin it up kid. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: upton on January 30, 2006, 10:41:49 PM
I was just wondering if anyone know when the regional rankings come out (or if they already have and I missed them).  Thanks in advance for the help.

Also, I saw the 1st Scranton/Kings matchup and was unimpressed with the Monarchs.  They didn't seem like they had enough weapons to make a run at a depleated Scranton lineup.  Maybe it was a bad night.  As always, it should be a great game.  I just hope my 2 year old that I'm taking with me can sit for 4 hours through both games.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 30, 2006, 11:58:20 PM
Bob, absolutely it's non-regional, common site, common opponent.  Which comes after head-to-head, record against highest other team not involved (i.e. a 2nd place tie decided by record against 1st), record against all other successive teams, regional common-site common opponent, and summation of hand-written notes from 4th grade teachers.  I'm all about amending the tie-breakers to the following steps:

1. Head-to-head
2. Whichever team the Burdett brothers like better
3. Assuming a Matt/Adam split, whichever team Warren Thompson likes better.
4. If Warren's busy, coin toss.

Gizzard, King's has been playing basketball for like 50 years now.  (Bob, feel free to jump in and correct me.)  There is NO way that this is the first triple-double ever.  "Recorded triple-double", I'd be tempted to believe it.  But someone, at some point, had to have had a Big O-ish 10+ points, 10+ rebounds, and 10+ assists.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 31, 2006, 01:37:49 AM
First rankings aren't until next week.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 31, 2006, 09:34:46 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on January 30, 2006, 11:58:20 PM
I'm all about amending the tie-breakers to the following steps:

1. Head-to-head
2. Whichever team the Burdett brothers like better
3. Assuming a Matt/Adam split, whichever team Warren Thompson likes better.
4. If Warren's busy, coin toss.

It's very nice that you included me in the company of the Burdett brothers.

However, the actual tie-breaker hinges on the recent whereabouts of the College of Charleston transfer and/or his siblings or cousins. If he (or they) has been verifiably spotted anywhere near the campus of one of the tied teams, said team shall be granted the top seed.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach C on January 31, 2006, 09:55:53 AM
I believe that the 5th tiebreaker is the team who has gone the longest since having an alcohol-related incident published in the newspaper.  Or maybe it's the team with the most recently published one.  I forget.

C
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: rollingthunda on January 31, 2006, 03:35:53 PM
They should use the tiebreakers from the board game "Scene It".
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on January 31, 2006, 05:55:25 PM
Upton,

The last Scranton/King's game was probably King's worst or maybe 2nd worst performance of their MAC play so far this year.  I would definitley chalk that one up to an off night.  The offense looked lethargic, Scranton was more dominant on the boards, and King's lacked any momentum to even develop a big run.  I guess we'll find out tomorrow whether that was a result of an off-night for King's or a great gameplan from Scranton.

As for the tiebreakers discussion, I know very little about the mysterious proceedings of the MAC gods in determination of their conference standings.  All I know is that head-to-head Margin of Victory is the second tiebreaker.  As with King's and DeSales last year, both teams won at the other's gym by 27 points I think.  So DeSales got the one seed which is based on the third tiebreaker, which may be decided in a game of Mancala for all I know.

-Leo
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on January 31, 2006, 10:15:01 PM
http://academic.uofs.edu/department/athletics/bb1976reunionprogram.pdf



Ahh the 70's....





Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 01, 2006, 05:57:22 AM
Warren, you have extensive knowledge of local basketball; therefore, you were the 3rd tie-breaker.  I would have made our fair Webmaster the 3rd tie-breaker, except when Wilkes, Scranton, and King's tie for a title, Catholic would end up with the automatic bid.

Perhaps Jamie Cousart has a disease referred to in ColonelJohn's family as KCS, "Kerry Collins Syndrome".  Kerry Collins would play halves of football with the Giants where he couldn't hit anything wearing a blue shirt.  Halftime, he'd go in, then come out stumbling, but throwing perfect passes.  I don't advise for a 19 year old, but hey, anything you gotta do to kill those jitters, man.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach C on February 01, 2006, 09:36:40 AM
CJ4L -

Was your knowledge of this syndrome confiend to your observation of TV, or perhaps some more immediate situation?

C
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bziadie on February 01, 2006, 10:34:56 AM
C.J.

Regarding Cousart's triple-double......it is the first one since I have been at King's and that was in 1992-93.  Before that I have no idea as there were no old box scores left over or no mention of anything like that in any files. So basicially I have no idea whether or not it is the first one.  Just past game scores and your basic school records such as most points in a game, etc. career points, etc. 

And since the MAC did not start using a conference-wide statistics program where box scores would be archived until a few years ago, finding that info would be looking looking for a needle in a haystack.

The school record for assists is 7.1 per-game by John Snyder in 1989-90 and he also averaged 11.2 points and 6.3 rebounds that year so it seems possible that he could have done it that year.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 01, 2006, 11:41:43 AM
CJ4L-

Very interesting medical diagnosis, perhaps you missed the boat, I think an M.D. would have been right up your alley.  Does Wilkes offer that?  ;)

Anyway alcohol and sports go hand-in-hand, some of our greatest American athletes liked to drink before their games (Babe Ruth, Mickey Mantle, John Kruk, and of course Kerry Collins).  I bet Kerry threw some wicked parties during that Rose Bowl Season in Penn State, parties that Wilkes and King's students can't even fathom.  Luckily for Kerry, The Citizen's Voice doesn't cover the State College Area.

-Leo
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bziadie on February 01, 2006, 12:57:16 PM
Leo:

Perhaps C.J. forgot his pledge.....this sound familiar?   ;)


CJ4L, January 27, 2006.........

"As a Wilkes fan, I recognize we are not without sin, so I won't cast any stones.  I'll ask for a quick show of hands - who didn't have their first beer until they were 21??  Just as I thought... "


Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopzwiz on February 01, 2006, 01:37:01 PM
Apparently Steve Bennett(the reporter) never had an 'illegal' drink.  I bet he never played a second of collegiate basketball either so why is he qualified to right about drinking or basketball?  He should right an article about talentless people who find meaningless jobs and in an effort to bring purpose to their pathetic lives attempt to tear down Student-Athletes that are just being typical Student-Athletes.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on February 01, 2006, 01:51:10 PM
QuoteI bet he never played a second of collegiate basketball either so why is he qualified to right about drinking or basketball?

I've met Steve before and talked to him.  I've found him pretty knowledgable about the local teams.

I have no idea if he's played ball before.  But I do know that lots of very good journalists never played the sport they cover.  And some excellent athletes don't make good journalists.

You don't have to be an athlete to write about it effectively.  Playing experience adds a valuable perspective, but there are lots of other important skills that make good journalists.  Like being able to tell the difference between "write" and "right." :)

As for the article, I didn't really read it so I can't comment on it.  But I suspect the decision to cover the topic wasn't entirely his own.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopzwiz on February 01, 2006, 01:58:36 PM
Good pickup on my error - "right" vs. "write"
It's just amazing to me that a college kid caught drinking is the biggest news out there. 

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 01, 2006, 02:21:51 PM
Quote from: hoopzwiz on February 01, 2006, 01:58:36 PM
Good pickup on my error - "right" vs. "write"
It's just amazing to me that a college kid caught drinking is the biggest news out there. 

When your boss tells you to do a job are you going to tell him to take a walk? I'd say you'd do what he wants you to do, write?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 01, 2006, 05:20:40 PM
Agreed with CC

The writer of the article is very knowledgable about local sports, he just carried out the assignment given to him.  That's why in my joke post about Kerry Collins I mentioned the Citizen's Voice and not the writer.

It is true you don't need to have played the game to know it.  That's like saying history teachers don't know history because they didn't fight in the Civil War.

-Leo
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 02, 2006, 05:58:19 AM
Leo, right on with the history teachers / Civil War take.  Couldn't agree more.  Now, I'm just trying to figure out why guys who weren't athletes and shouldn't be journalists (ex. Stephen A. Smith) still have jobs to this day.  And, in other news begrudgingly, Wilkes doesn't have a med school.  Otherwise, I might have double-majored and set the record for semesters at one institution.  Last I checked, I'm on the leaderboard with my 15 semesters as an undergrad /postgrad Colonel.

BZ - I never claimed not to have had an "illegal" drink.  When Wilkes was storming through the '01 season, I wasn't yet "of age", but there were still some good times had.  For the record, I never set foot in Senunas's until I was 21, though. ;D  As far as the casting stones thing, though, you got me. :)

Coach C - When "Tom" Collins was dominating at Penn State, I was 14 and still thought Jack Daniels was a middle infielder for the Reds. (Go ahead... think about it... how old were ya?)  By the time I'd be able to buy him a round, he was back on the wagon.  Allegedly.

As a side note to this drama, King's beats Scranton.  Who was there?  What happened?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 02, 2006, 12:49:19 PM
The hostile Scandlon crowd last night got to watch a thriller on North Main Street.  A physical, low-scoring first half turned into a second half full of runs.  King's shot out to a fourteen point lead, but just like the Wilkes game in December their offense was shut down in the last ten minutes of regulation recording only one or two FGs in that span.  In OT Scranton took the early lead, but King's offensed awakened, led by Scalzo and Soboleski. 

Here's my takes on the game.
The Rivalry- The King's/Scranton rivalry is great, almost as good as King's/Wilkes.  When I was in school, King's student body hated Scranton probably more than Wilkes.  I'm assuming that's still the feeling today, but throw in the fact that one of Scranton's greates players coaches King's and that their greatest coach of all time is spotted frequently at Monarch games only takes the rivalry up a few notches.

FT Shooting- Last night was not a banner night from the charity stripe for both teams.  I may be nitpicking, but both teams missed key FTs that would have won it in regulation.  Arnold missed a front end, Scalzo and Cousart started the game 0-3, and Soboleski missed two key ones down the stretch.  And Mike Kreuter from Scranton, he probably set the art of Free Throw Shooting back a half-century last night.

The Aftermath-  I know the Scranton folks will proably say that King's is not a good team because they barely got by an injured Scranton team.  Well, despite their injuries Scranton is still very talented.  Also, when ever King's/Wilkes/Scranton play one another, it is ALWAYS a battle.  In games like this you don't care how you win or who you beat, only that you do win.  That said the Monarchs got a nice victory heading into a very tough matchup at DeSales on Saturday.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach C on February 02, 2006, 04:28:39 PM
CJ4L -

Well I guess i was older.  I was acquainted with Jack at the time!

C
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 02, 2006, 04:47:47 PM
Leo,

Very nice win for the Monarchs.
After giving back a 14 point lead with 6 minutes to go, they remain composed and prevailed.

Ran their offense well in the OT getting the ball to VS whose basketball instincts and inside scoring is first rate.

I only saw the OT as I stopped by after watching some Pribbleball at the Marts Center.

Which was another story.
Took in only the 2nd half (thinks Wilkes led by 7 or 8 at the half).
Then, they go Pribblized (def. of Pribble:  A shooting machine with range to 35 feet.  Pribble machines hit nothing but net from any distance. Guaranteed never to miss. If a Pribble machine misfires, simply call T.O.,  add some Gatorade and towel off. Should be good to go for another 20 minutes.) .

Pribble went for 40 of Lycos's 80 plus. They built a double digit lead with abut 3 minutes to go. Wilkes made a short run cutting it to 4 until the Pribble machine went for another trifecta.
Overall, it was one of those games and Wilkes was helpless to stop him.
Colonels:

Fronted and Grunted
Zoned and Moaned
Another swish...
A perfect dish



Simply outhustled
Somewhat outmuscled
Lots of frustration
Little creation

Interesting 2nd half highlights and observations:

Lycoming played very nice floor game. Made some nice entry passes into the post that created some easy scores. Did a decent job on the glass. #14 did a decent job on Shovlin (10 pts.) although I thought Wilkes was able to get some decent looks especially inside.  (maybe by design to shut down the 3 pt. game of Wilkes as Constantine continues to shoot lights out and Kable made a few to boot).

For Wilkes, thought Frosh Kline displayed some nice inside moves. Walters sat a critical 5 plus 2nd half minutes with his third foul early 2nd half.  Shovlin seemed visibly frustrated and Coach sat him the final five minutes (even with deficit cut to 4 with 1:30 to go).  hmmm.
Matt G. had another frustrating night. He, too seemed a bit on edge.

One final thing. I say this because from my seat this all transpired right next to me.
One official, who was under the Lyco basket  and near their bench was joking with the Lyco players during the game as if her were a bench coach or avid fan. He even high fived one of their players during the game. Then, with about a minute to go, he shared a few laughs with the Coach and shook hands and patted a few backs along the bench.
All while there was still time on the clock.

Tell me fellows, is this normal behavior by officials????  
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: upton on February 02, 2006, 05:21:07 PM
I too took in the Scranton/Kings game last night.  Despite my opinion that Scranton is more talented, Kings out-hustled and at crucial times, out-coached Scranton.  I think both teams have very good coaches, but Carl made some questionable choices late.  Also, Scranton players can't sleep through a good portion of the 2nd halves any more and expect to turn it on when needed.  Obviously by the last two games, it doesn't always work.  Should be a great finish to the season with many possibilities for playoff positions still out there.
Title: Wilkes-Lyco
Post by: mattie on February 02, 2006, 06:53:50 PM
All I could say about last night is Johnathan Freakin Pribble.  What a performance from a kid who was pretty much shut down for the first half.  It was a tale of two halfs, with Constantine shooting the ligths out in the first half as the Colonels built a double digit lead ony to have Pribble turn the tables going 8 for 9 from deep in the 2nd half, including one from about 30 feet.
Pribble may quietly be the MVP of the Freedom League this season.  Wilkes threw about five different looks at him and he still came off screens ala Richard Hamilton.  More importantly Pribble put the Warriors back into the thick of the Freedom League playoff hunt. 
Pribble's performance rivaled Brian Horgan's effort last season at the Martz Center.  Simply sensational and a pleasure to watch.
Right now, if you want to argue 1st team MAC Freedom, you have four outstanding guards (Arnold, Pribble, Cousart and Constantine) battling for two spots unless they vote in four guards, which I would have no complaint about.  I know I am leaving out someone from DeSales so please bear with me.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 02, 2006, 07:39:12 PM
Mattie,

Pribble plays more of a 3 than a 2.
He is listed as a forward:
http://www.lycoming.edu/sports/mbball/2005-06%20roster.htm

Constantine is introduced at every game as a forward although he listed as a guard on the 2005 roster.  Initially, Wilkes played Kline, Walters, Goode/Cardamone along with Gould and Shovlin. They have since settled on Cardamone and Walters as the 4 and 5. Mike C. plays the 3 with Gould at point and Shovlin at the 2.  Where they play defensively depends on matchups.

Mike has been having  a great year and certainly has hit some clutch shots.
My feeling is that Shovlin is the better overall player based upon his passing , rebounding, penetration and shot creation off the dribble plus his defensive ability.

As for your picks, Arnold is cetainly there. Cousart has been having a terrific year but I still see him a very small notch below the others.
Pribble is the probable player of the year at forward. I like Scalzo of Kings at the other forward thus far. (If I could pick one player from the King's roster for my team, Vince is it.) Shovlin is my 2nd guard to pair up with Arnold. Not sure about the top center.

The player to watch is Lopez of Drew. He has been impressive.

Naismith

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on February 02, 2006, 08:48:06 PM
Quote from: upton on February 02, 2006, 05:21:07 PM
I too took in the Scranton/Kings game last night.  Despite my opinion that Scranton is more talented, Kings out-hustled and at crucial times, out-coached Scranton.  I think both teams have very good coaches, but Carl made some questionable choices late.  Also, Scranton players can't sleep through a good portion of the 2nd halves any more and expect to turn it on when needed.  Obviously by the last two games, it doesn't always work.  Should be a great finish to the season with many possibilities for playoff positions still out there.


-I think the Scranton locker room has the first outbreak of Bird Flu in the US. They are down to ten players I believe.

-Upton what issues did you have with the coaching?

-Nice to see that Kings disciplines players when they get in trouble with the law.


Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 03, 2006, 03:23:13 AM
With the events of Wednesday (for those too lazy to look):

Wilkes 7-2
King's 7-2
Scranton 6-3
DeSales 5-4
Lycoming 5-4

Should it concern me that Wilkes just lost at home to teams that are 4th and 5th in the conference?  (See also, lost to a team that won't make MAC-F playoffs)

Pribble went off for 40?  Yikes.  A Tom Wesner-ish 40 for Lycoming at the Marts Center.  How have teams been able to shut this guy down in the past? 

Naismith - should this be common practice for MAC officials? No.  Is it?  Begrudgingly, probably, yeah.  Have I seen games where I have left convinced that an official's alma mater /bank account was involved?  Absolutely. (Both for and against Wilkes, for the record.) :)

Circle the date February 14th now, team.  Wilkes at King's.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: rollingthunda on February 03, 2006, 08:36:50 AM
Section J:

I agree that King's not manning up and sitting those players is garbage.  Teams have rules about these types of situations and they should stick with them no matter the situation.  And if anyone can look me in the eye and say King's doesnt have a rule that suspends players caught for underage drinking in season thats a lie.  And if its not...Kings is an unclassy program.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 03, 2006, 12:08:25 PM
Interesting take on the King's situation. I am a bit surprised that they weren't benched for any length of time. Perhaps the players in question are running extra laps after practice as punishment? I really don't know.

As for the official who played Lyco's cheerleader, I never heard of such a thing. However, I do remember a Scranton at Lebanon Valley playoff game a few years back where an LV player (Jack Lazicky) and an official had their arms around each other with about three minutes remaining in the game while LV was shooting free throws.
A fan sitting behind the Scranton bench yelled "why don't you two kiss each other as well."
The official heard it and gave Bob Bessoir a technical without even looking over at their bench.
Best part was, the person who said it was a woman. Unless Bessoir was disguising his voice, the referee was way out of line. Ironically, the woman was sitting next to Dr. Andy Panko and his son, who was being recruited by Scranton, but eventually ended with a Flying Dutchmen.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 03, 2006, 04:24:56 PM
Well maybe I'm in the minority here, but I still think King's is a classy program.  Their players graduate, they play the game right, and they never showboat or showup their opponents.  Sounds classy to me.

As for the disciplenary issues, none of us (except maybe Bob Z.) know the internal disceplenarian program at the school.  I don't know if JP has a rule about this (I'm guessing he doesn't) but I don't think the school has a whole does.  When I went there, any alcohol citation was referred to the Dean of Students and the student received a punishment based on their prior record (previous citations, etc).  The punishment could be anytyhing from a warning to expulsion.

I'll go back and say it again, the majority of underage students drink alcohol, and more than a handful have been cited for it.  Athlete's and non-athletes included.  These three just got hosed because it was printed in the paper.

JP's  a good coach and a fair coach.  I'm sure he's handled this in a fair way.  A suspension isn't the only way to handle it.

-Leo
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: upton on February 03, 2006, 10:47:03 PM
Sect. J,
     My 2 biggest complaints about the coaching (and there aren't many for Danzig, I think he's doing a great job) are that he left a player in too long in the 2nd half that doesn't give you much on offense or defense, and his decision to go for 2 with only 5 seconds remaining (after the shot was made) and down 3.  It didn't leave enough time to foul and get another decent shot off.  Other than that, great game.

Leo,
     You said that King's graduates it's players.  Don't most D-3 schools?  It's not like they are there for any other reason than to get an education.  Basketball is an extra-curricular activity.  I can't remember too many MAC players leaving early for the NBA recently.  I also think JP has done a very good job with the Kings program.  However, I think some type of punishment (even if it was minor) was warrented, and would have made him look even better.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach C on February 04, 2006, 08:20:27 AM
Yeah - just becasue we didnt hear about a suspension doesnt mean that it wasnt handled properly.

I think it's probably time to let this one go.

C
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 05, 2006, 10:28:36 AM
Quite the joyous trip down to Center Valley for this old Lion,

Despite their crowd taking advice from CJ4L (The front row had a kid dressed in a beer costume), The Monarchs handily defeated DeSales.  The Offense was on yesterday, it seemed like everyone was stroking it from beyond the arc (TM, Scalzo, Welsh, Nensteil, Swim, Kofi), a real rarity for this year's squad.  Hopefully, that momentum continues into a TOUGH game in Lyco on Wednesday.

Back around Christmas when the Monarchs were being beaten by powerhouses like BBC, this is the best they could have hoped for, alone atop the Freedom League and one win away from making the playoffs.  Of course the goals are much higher now, but man this team has come a long way

-Leo
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kingjames on February 06, 2006, 09:05:24 AM
Having knocked down a few Molson's with JP in our teens, I doubt he worried much about this matter.  That said, JP's a class guy and I'd love to have my kids play for him.  Probably the best coach in the league.  Didn't he marry Bessoir's daughter?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 06, 2006, 02:52:14 PM
The three King's players that were caught driniking a couple weeks back were disciplined by the school.
All the players involved were handed minimum fines of $200 by the college, but Moore's could be higher.
King's College has a fining system as a disciplinary action and a source said the punishment handed down was sufficient.
Anyone who thinks athletes get away with more than a student should think twice since this is Division III and everyone is a student first.

By the way, judging by the traffic, or lack thereof on the Freedom board, I take it Wilkes lost on Saturday?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 07, 2006, 05:35:55 AM
Cold-Case,
Wilkes what? Saturday what?  I don't know what you're talking about.  [turns to side and whistles...]

All of a sudden, tomorrow night, Scranton and Wilkes are playing not to fall 2 games out of the conference lead.  How did THAT happen??

King James, JP drinks Molson?  Whole new respect for the guy...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kingjames on February 07, 2006, 07:36:50 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on February 07, 2006, 05:35:55 AM
Cold-Case,

King James, JP drinks Molson?  Whole new respect for the guy...

Dude had a sweet 'fro too, think Napolean Dynomite sans moon boots.

The school fined those kids $200. a piece?  That just ain't right, IMO.

**rumor alert**
Down on southside W-B, Shovlin's suspended for the Scranton match for a lockerroom argument with "the rick".  I don't think he's being fined.  >:(
**rumor alert**

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 07, 2006, 01:04:24 PM
Quote from: kingjames on February 07, 2006, 07:36:50 AM

**rumor alert**
Down on southside W-B, Shovlin's suspended for the Scranton match for a lockerroom argument with "the rick".  I don't think he's being fined.  >:(
**rumor alert**

King, I can't see Shovlin sitting. And where is Togasara. I guess Scranton won on Saturday. :'(
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kingjames on February 07, 2006, 01:39:07 PM
Whois Togasara?

Now I'm hearing 2 games.

I'd say the entire season is in jeopardy.  They gotta hope Desales drops one more game just to get into the playoffs.  I wish I was a mind reader so I could have a clue as to what's going on in "the rick's" head.  He's trying to destroy a great player.  Talk about a shame.  Shovlin could have gone to a number of D1 schools, but "the rick" had him fooled to stay home be the star...  Too bad the kid was dumb enough to believe him.  What are the chances he can make a come back this season and get on the all conference team?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 07, 2006, 02:21:51 PM
Sorry, I mean Sataroga. ;D

I wouldn't say Jerry conned Shovlin into coming to Wilkes. Shovlin has parents and I'm sure they weren't about the sacrifice the scholarship he got from Monmouth, unless they never offered him a full ride.
As for him missing anytime, I'll believe it when I believe, to coin a phrase from Yogi.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 07, 2006, 05:17:01 PM
Coming from the part of Wilkes-Barre I come from, Chris Shovlin isn't too popular up North.  He has an amazing skill set has a player, but attitude wise I've seen much better.  There's alot of rumors floating around up North about this guy, his off the court actions, and his past.  I'm not gonna mention them because they are just that, rumors, possibly fueled by a inter-city rivalry. 

However, I think right now it's safe to say he is no Dave Januzzi.

-Leo
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Wbboys32 on February 07, 2006, 06:14:39 PM
Not only is there a rumor going around about Shovlin being suspended, but from a team source Shovlin is thinking about transfering as well.  He wants nothing to do with Rick anymore and he wants out.  Team source heard him making a comment to some of his boys saying, "I would love to just transfer to King's and be on a winning team"  If this rumor is true there are some serious problems going on between him and the rick.  Should be an interesting game I still see Scranton pulling this one out without or with Shovlin on the court.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on February 07, 2006, 09:02:49 PM
Did he pull a Chad Johnson and take a swing at Rickrode? 


CJ get on your sources , come on man.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 07, 2006, 11:22:14 PM
WBboys-

I think King's and Shovlin would mix about as well as oil and water.  The attitude and King's style of play would just not mix. 

That being said this may be all a big deal made of nothing.  I'll believe Shovlin not playing on Wednesday when I see it.  That said if it truly is Shovlin vs. Rickrode in the locker room, how safe is Rickrode's position.  I've heard a few Wilkes fans say that its time for the Rick to move on, don't know if this is a small minority of fans or the overriding majority.

-Leo
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Wbboys32 on February 08, 2006, 12:24:26 AM
I never said they would mix well just was a rumor that was going around... I would agree Rick's spot might be up in the air after this season if he is starting to have problems with his players...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 08, 2006, 08:53:38 AM
CJ has no sources on this one.  All news to me.  This whole "not living on campus" anymore, ugh, certainly limits what I get to see and hear.  I will be in town for the game, though, and I'll report in afterwards.

Leo, to answer your question, Jerry stays as long as he wants to stay.  You can't imagine how bad the program was pre-July 1992 when Rickrode arrived.  As "disappointing" as 7-3 in conference looks right now, this would be unheard of success prior to Jerry's arrival.  Question the guy all you want, but the numbers are there. Every notable moment in Wilkes basketball history, Jerry Rickrode has been the coach.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wilkes72 on February 08, 2006, 10:41:12 AM
Rickrode moving?  I guess to Kings and Scranton fans that would be a relief.  I agree with CJ.  Prior to Jerry, no NCAA playoffs, .500 season was a dream.  Everybody critical about both Jerry and Shovlin but JP and Moore (and cast) are just fine?  No suspensions there.  JP handled it (see today's CV.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 08, 2006, 11:01:34 AM
CJ4L & Wilkes-

I'm not being critical of Rickrode at all, I'm just stating what a FEW Wilkes fans have told me, that they would be happy to see The Rick leave.  I'm guessing by that response, they are in the minority.

And I'm not being critical of of these two in this situation, for all I know this never happened.  However, a coach decides to discipline one of his players is fine with me whether it be sitting out a practice or sitting out a season.

-Leo
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 08, 2006, 12:21:28 PM
Checking in for a spare minute or so.

AS to CC and Wilkes vs. DV, 
  Wasn't there and didn't speak to anyone who saw the game. Seems like the Wilkes 'D' has been challenged. IP getting 25+ is no surprise. As I posted prior, his minutes seemed to be down and he also seems to have throttled down his offensive minded play of the past 2 years.
IP is one very explosive scorer with the ability to create his own shot.

As to JP and discipline,
   What is done is done. The school kept it pretty quiet and private. I might have done things differently but JP is the Coach......so it is his call.....I have always thought he had good judgement.

As to CS and Coach JR,
    I have no idea. Haven't heard a thing. Other than CS sitting the last 5 min. of Lyco loss, I could only say that he appeared visibly frustrated on the court.  I am not sure why. He played a terrific game against DeSales ......but didn't seem that effective in the 2nd half of the Lyco game.  He did guard Pribble for part of his 28 pt. half and I felt did the best job of any Colonel in denying and fronting.
Other Wilkes defenders had trouble getting through picks and no one seemed to step out quick enough on a switch ....just my observation.
We shall see what transpires tonight.

As to Coach JR,

   You will always have the shortsighted spoiled fans that think Wilkes has the talent to win every game. Those fans always think that they could outcoach JR. The truth is that Wilkes had no basketball program until JR arrived. He transformed Wilkes basketball. He outrecruited and outcoached his conference rivals. If one has any doubts, check all the banners in the Marts Center. All the b-ball ones are Rickrode era banners.
   Coach Jr is quite demanding....of his players and himself....
   No one works harder.

Overall, I think Wilkes has a few holes that need to be plugged. The team defense slacks off when Evan Walters gets into foul trouble early (which seems to be every game). While Kline has really come on in the 2nd half, the Colonels need to step up inside ---especially defensively. When they play 3 guards (CS, MC and MG or JK), they do become a bit expsoed on the glass.
Basketball is a game of chemistry,  adjustments and much more....We shall see....

Have some family medical issues so I'm not sure how many remaining games I will see....hopefully, I can get out of the waiting rooms etc. to head north for a couple of hours this evening.....

Good luck to all the locals.

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 08, 2006, 12:33:39 PM
Quote from: naismith on February 08, 2006, 12:21:28 PM
Have some family medical issues so I'm not sure how many remaining games I will see....hopefully, I can get out of the waiting rooms etc. to head north for a couple of hours this evening.

Nais, sorry to hear about the family. I hope everything works out. God knows I can relate to that issue. If you go to the game tonight, stop by the scorer's table, I'll be the ugly one sitting next to Jerry.

Chris Shovlin is definitely OUT for tonight's game. Don't know about the remaining games.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 08, 2006, 02:38:26 PM
A few observations re. the Coach Rickrode/Shovlin situation. First, I agree with the various posts that Wilkes was abhorrent prior to Jerry's arrival. If there was a banner hanging in that old gym it was due to a sport other than basketball. I think it's also pretty evident that to be successful be it in the classroom, boardroom or on the court...all parties need to be working together for the same common goal. The fact that this coach is sitting this player for some form of team infraction is refreshing. To bad not all coaches are so compelled to sit kids for similiar reasons. This could very well turn out to be a win/win for Coach Rickrode...first, he sends the message that "nobody" is too important to catch some pine. Secondly, he's doing it against Scranton which will make everyone take notice & lastly, it motivates the other kids & hopefully may make Shovlin gain some insight into how his behavor affects others. Personally, I think the old coach is making a great move. He's sitting the kid and telling Shovlin & anyone else that may want an answer...this is MY team & things will be done in a certain way & if you can't live with that, pack your bags yet again & fill out your third application. The better reason though may be that Jerry feels with Scranton hurting so much & playing essentially their second team, he can win this one without the hotshot & really send a message. If they lose, Coach holds his head high & states no win counts when you compromise your own personal standards, now let's move on. In that scenario, he's obviously hoping that Wilkes will still get into the playoffs, his standards will be understood by all & hopefully Shovlin will have grown up a little. Great move Coach Rickrode both from the team concept & psychological points of coaching. Oh, and by the way case cold, I'm back...thanks for asking.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: rollingthunda on February 08, 2006, 03:08:39 PM
Well stated saratoga.  I couldnt possibly agree more.  The folks running King's program could use a serious lesson from Coach Rickrode.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 09, 2006, 09:48:09 AM
Please Rollingthunda,

The King's and Wilkes situations are very different.  The King's situation had absolutley zero to do with anything basketball related.  It didn't relate to on the court actions, locker room problems, or player coach relations.  JP handled it the way he did and I'm sure if he felt that it was detrimental to the team there would have been suspensions.

If the rumors are true at Wilkes on the other hand, the Shovlin incident was very detrimental to the team.  From what I heard Shovlin basically told his coach off during practice.  This is a very serious BASKETBALL issue and very detrimental to the team.  Shovlin absolutley needed to be suspended for this action if it is true.  I GUARANTEE you if any Monarch told JP off they'd be sitting the pine for a very long time.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 09, 2006, 10:20:34 AM
Lycoming 76, King's 71; Scranton 65, Wilkes 52

King's and Scranton 8-3
Lycoming and Wilkes 7-4
DeSales 6-5

First off, hey King's, thanks a bunch.  The one time I actually want King's to win, you're no help at all.

With regard to the Scranton game, this game had nothing to do with Jerry not being on the sidelines (though I'm sure it didn't help).  This game had nothing to do with Shovlin being in street clothes (though I'm sure that didn't help either).  This game had nothing to do with Evan Walters getting ejected (though, again, certainly no help).

Wilkes had plenty of open looks, and just didn't hit them.  THAT was the game.  First half, Constantine sticks four 3's, and Wilkes is up 33-28 1:30 before halftime.  Second half, it was missed jumpers and missed free throws that led to Wilkes's anemic 19 2nd half points, many of which were junk points in the final minute.

First half of '05-'06: Wilkes 7-0 in conference
Second half: Wilkes is 0-4
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 09, 2006, 10:34:00 AM
Leo, give it a rest and move forth.
****
Met Father Colonel last night and talked about days of yonder. That's when it hit me that I'm old. ;D
****
With four schools (Drew, Moravian, Susquehanna and Juniata) set to leave the MAC, several other institutions have filed paperwork to join.
Word has it that Shenandoah, Alvernia and Arcadia are three of the candidates.
Misericordia, Keystone and Marywood didn't make the cut.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 09, 2006, 02:01:12 PM
Those schools bring nothing to the MAC.


Why did Walters get ejected? Was it valid?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on February 09, 2006, 03:55:35 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 09, 2006, 02:01:12 PM
Those schools [Drew, Moravian, Susquehanna, and Juniata]bring nothing to the MAC.

That's a sweeping and inaccurate generalization, especially concerning the latter three venues.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 09, 2006, 04:13:31 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on February 09, 2006, 03:55:35 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 09, 2006, 02:01:12 PM
Those schools [Drew, Moravian, Susquehanna, and Juniata]bring nothing to the MAC.

That's a sweeping and inaccurate generalization, especially concerning the latter three venues.

Here we go. I figured it was just a matter of time before a certain individual would intervene. Could Coach C. be too far behind?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 09, 2006, 04:54:04 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on February 09, 2006, 03:55:35 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 09, 2006, 02:01:12 PM
Those schools [Drew, Moravian, Susquehanna, and Juniata]bring nothing to the MAC.

That's a sweeping and inaccurate generalization, especially concerning the latter three venues.

WT-

I was referring to the new teams not the old ones.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on February 09, 2006, 05:02:49 PM
NEPAFAN:

Sorry, I misunderstood .... :'(

As to Shenandoah, at least they bring the MAC another football-playing member.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 09, 2006, 05:09:54 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on February 09, 2006, 05:02:49 PM
NEPAFAN:

Sorry, I misunderstood .... :'(

As to Shenandoah, at least they bring the MAC another football-playing member.


No worries. That is a heck of a bus trip for most MAC schools. Maybe Scranton and Desales will add Football.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on February 09, 2006, 05:16:24 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 09, 2006, 05:09:54 PM
That is a heck of a bus trip for most MAC schools.

Yes, but not as long some trips Susquehanna will soon be taking (e.g., to St. Lawrence).
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 09, 2006, 07:46:04 PM
Speaking of our beloved MAC Freedom league

Although must people here already knew this, it looks like our MAC will not be in line for any at-large bids, since the Freedom league has 0 representation in the Regional Rankings.  I know, I know its a shocker!  I thought the voters would look past those losses to BBC, Chesnut Hill, and Marywood.

-Leo
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 09, 2006, 08:00:32 PM
NEPAfan: Personally, I believe Scranton will move to a new conference BEFORE they add football. About last night...I've got to go with Coach Danzig as Coach of the Year right now. What his team has accomplished thus far with all their injuries has been nothing less than spectacular. I mean they are starting a player right now that averaged LESS than 2 minutes per game the first 6 games of the year and another who was averaging about 3. Pretty unbelievable when you really think about it.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach C on February 09, 2006, 08:33:28 PM
Well Shenandoah helps for lacrosse.  Alvernia helps for hoops and baseball.  Academics, ehhh well not much help there.

C
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on February 09, 2006, 08:38:38 PM
I've heard these names thrown around before.  Shen does help for football and has a fantastic stadium in Winchester.  It's not next door for a lot of MAC teams, but neither was Juniata.

I've also heard The College of New Jersey mentioned on several occasions, for what it's worth.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on February 09, 2006, 08:54:44 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 09, 2006, 08:00:32 PM
NEPAfan: Personally, I believe Scranton will move to a new conference BEFORE they add football. About last night...I've got to go with Coach Danzig as Coach of the Year right now. What his team has accomplished thus far with all their injuries has been nothing less than spectacular. I mean they are starting a player right now that averaged LESS than 2 minutes per game the first 6 games of the year and another who was averaging about 3. Pretty unbelievable when you really think about it.


-BEFORE they add football? Do you think they would ever add football?

-Danzig for coach of the year, who else is there?

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 09, 2006, 09:29:55 PM
CC,

"Met Father Colonel last night and talked about days of yonder. That's when it hit me that I'm old. ;D".

I assume you were not talking about me...lol.
I can remember hanging up that very first peach basket like it was yesterday...

As you know CC, when I walked in the gym and saw the "High Fiver" was calling the game, I immediately knew a big "L" was in store for the Colonel faithful.

John S and his other zebra called a very fair and solid game. "High Fiver" 1st 10 whistles.............9 against Wilkes and 1 against Scranton.  If JS had not overruled him on an out of bounds off Scranton, High Fiver would have scored a perfect '10'.

Yep, and it was "High Fiver" who called a phantom walk on Kline, and ejected Walters over an inadvertant elbow but passed on the elbow that Kline took right in front of him.  

CC, if I get a shot of his Lyco antics, I am taking this renegade ref to the authorities.  (maybe I'll just take him Old Forge....lol)

As to the actual  game, Scranton has a fine trio of perimeter shooters. Wilkes did a nice job on Arnold but Cannon and Kirk hurt them outside. The Aussie played well (he is really developing quickly) while Burke was active. Ex-Walters, I thought Scranton hurt Wilkes with some inside play, 2nd and third shots etc.
They played a better 2nd half and deserved the win.

For Wilkes, they played an excellent first half overall. As CJ noted, Scranton's 8-0 run with 1:30 left in the half was a bad omen and 5 consecutive missed FT's early 2nd half added to the gloom. Except for Kline, Wilkes had trouble creating any good shots. Steve Kline demonstrated an ability to get to the basket with some nifty moves. He could really be a force over the next few years.
With Gould's foul trouble, Sclafani saw quite a bit of action and was a positive force. Made a lot of 'hustle' plays. Good to see.

The Conference appears wide open. Wilkes has Kings next week while DeSales still has Lyco and Scranton.  And Lyco has Scranton and DeSales.

CJ,
If Wilkes wins out 10-4 might do it (2 wins over Kings). Out of Scranton, DeSales and Lyco, either they all lose one or someone loses 2.

Down the stretch they come........

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 10, 2006, 10:09:56 AM
Anyone who is ticked by the "high-fiving" official better brace themselves. He has a son that is also a ref and he does college games. I saw him officiate King's at Scranton a couple weeks ago. Same full name, just Jr. attached to the end.

Naismith, in all honesty, I never saw Walters throw the elbow since I was pre-occupied by a lady sitting behind me and about 10 feet to my right. You know how it is? She knew I was looking and never seemed to mind.
Anyway, the TL reporter next to me yelled out loud as soon as it happened and told me it was a blatant cheap shot.
He added that it could be his finishing move should he decide to make the WWE Circus his future calling. ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 10, 2006, 11:57:38 AM
The EW elbow went like this.  He was being stuffed by 2 illegal screens, and fought threw it the only way he could.  Once his elbow was in mid-air, you could see the thought being processed, "Hmmm, the blind ref who hasn't gotten a call right all night is the only one who can see me.  My elbow is already at eye-level, and, heh, screw Scranton.  Go for it."

Naismith, in all candid honesty, how the F--- does Wilkes beat King's on Valentine's Day?  King's has won, feel free to correct me, 9 conference games in a row.  The Wilkes win over King's was (a) in OT, because (b) Shovlin, who's, y'know, not playing now, went absolutely off.  I know he's back by then, but with an enraged coach, will he play the full 40, or want to?  In the final 22 minutes vs. UofS, Wilkes scored exactly 19 points.

All that said, isn't there a point where both fan bases can see a ref walk in, and go, "Oh no, not THAT guy!"... a point where the MAC goes, "BOTH of you think this guy's incompetent?  Show me film."  What's the formal recall system on guys like this "referee"?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 10, 2006, 04:46:10 PM
This just in. Wilkes coach Jerry Rickrode didn't miss the Scranton game because of illness. It turns out he was suspended by the school for inappropriate actions caused during his argument with Chris Shovlin. Now I wonder if CS was suspended by Rickrode or the school?


End of an era?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 10, 2006, 04:58:40 PM
Quote from: Leo The Lion on February 09, 2006, 07:46:04 PM
Speaking of our beloved MAC Freedom league

Although must people here already knew this, it looks like our MAC will not be in line for any at-large bids, since the Freedom league has 0 representation in the Regional Rankings.  I know, I know its a shocker!  I thought the voters would look past those losses to BBC, Chesnut Hill, and Marywood.

-Leo

Don't look now but Chestnut Hill is rapidly approaching .500
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 10, 2006, 05:06:13 PM
 

"Naismith, in all candid honesty, how the F--- does Wilkes beat King's on Valentine's Day? King's has won, feel free to correct me, 9 conference games in a row. "

CJ,

I assume you posted this after imbibing a few with John, "the good Ref" and some of King's finest. Of course, the Monarch cagers were drinking Cokes .......Maybe Coach JP was there or even the AD ....keeping an eye on things.....(huh CC...lol) :D ;D  Or maybe math wasn't your forte ;D

Kings is on a 1 game losing streak as the Pribblemachine (retooled and refitted) has his merry band of Warriors playing like a million bucks. Maybe the team to beat come playoff time.

Now, my dear CJ,  how is it that you don't address me formally....senior statesman and he whoeth inventeth this games deserves more respect. It is Mr. Naismith to you Jr. or, at the least, Sir James!! 8)

How to beat Kings you ask?? ???
Outscore them! ;)
How? ???
A simple formula for a pharma guy ;)

1) A dose of "Zoneum"  known to reduce fouls and help one rebound. Must identify opposing marksman and close out quickly for best results.
2) A dash of "Pressum"--known to create TO's (the apple variety...not the eagles ilk)...Kings has a slow lineup and fast lineup. Use against the tortoises. The Colonels can put some real speed on the floor. Maybe not John Thompson Hoyamania or Nolan Richardson '90 feet of hell' but, in small amounts, "Pressum" can create havoc and deflate opponents. If the Easy Layup side effect persists, stop treatments and see the Coach.
3) InsideOutem--legacy otc formulation. Mikan, Chamberlain, Russell all prescribed. Kicks the ball in low. Post players attack rim drawing fouls. As defense sags, quick ball movement to the outside creates open '3's'.
4) Large dose of "Breakum" --this is reformulated version of the stuff that the Cousy Celtics first introduced.  "Breakum" creates easy baskets and open looks.  Mos effective off defensive rebound and/or steal but can be utilized even after a made basket.  

Avoid:
1) "RefSnipe" --contagious and unproductive. Can lead to "TeamSnipe"---worse than "RefSnipe" and often fatal to team concept.
2)  "Foulem"---need antidote...first doses to Walters and Gould. If unchecked, "Foulem" can afflict one for multiple games and, in rare cases, an entire season.
3)  "Screensum"  this hoop affliction is noted for the abscence of fighting through screens, switching, or jumping out to help.  Coupled with
4) "Incommunicado" ---this can lead to T.o's, "teamsnipe" and other afflictions.  A healthy dose of "Hoosiers" pre-game eve has been known to cure this condition.

Now get to work in your lab oh yee of little faith!!

That is the formula. Half of it may still get the Colonels there.......We shall see if they have character and will.

Naismith  
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 10, 2006, 05:13:31 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 10, 2006, 04:46:10 PM
This just in. Wilkes coach Jerry Rickrode didn't miss the Scranton game because of illness. It turns out he was suspended by the school for inappropriate actions caused during his argument with Chris Shovlin. Now I wonder if CS was suspended by Rickrode or the school?


End of an era?

NEPA,

Interesting......

Can't answer your question. I assume Coach JR suspended CS.
I had heard CS had apologized to the team.

Don't know of JR's status.
Methinks the Coach is vastly underappreciated by some 'key' admin people.

Your source??   If you can....

JMHO.

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 10, 2006, 05:35:19 PM
Mr. Naismith (Sir James)



info comes from two reporters from local papers/rags and they are always dead-on accurate.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 10, 2006, 07:02:47 PM
Who is the AD at Wilkes...Charlie Finley or Al Davis??? Talk about a team starting to resemble the old A's & current Raiders. Not the best time for this nonsense to happen ( not that there ever is ), but with high school seniors getting down to decision time...mom & dad may not be real amused with this stuff at Wilkes.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: roundmound on February 10, 2006, 07:43:05 PM
I think I know the same two reporters, NEPA, and I find this very hard to believe about Wilkes suspending JR. Do you know any more details?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 10, 2006, 09:58:45 PM
"Mr. Naismith (Sir James)"

NEPA,

That's more like it!! ;D

Takining notes CJ? ??? ???



Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: fanfromafar on February 10, 2006, 11:00:48 PM
I follow this board on an alomost daily basis.  Love the normally intelligent conversation, insights, etc.  Rarely put in my two cents...BUT...

This "stuff"  being talked about on this board regarding Wilkes is 100 % hearsay. 

FACT: Student athletes get disciplined / suspended as the need arises ALL OVER THE COUNTRY (check Penn State women vs Indiana).  Lessons are learned.  Life goes on.

But for this conversation to devolve into speculation regarding the suspension of Coach Rickrode is absolutely outlandish.  As many have remarked in recent posts, Wilkes basketball was nowhere prior to the arrival of JR--can we please give the man the respect he is due and not just spew whatever nastiness the rumour mill churns out on this forum?  Particularly comments that are completely unsubstantiated.

Gossip,rumour, inuendo and jealousy have no place in a good-natured, fair, competitive and respectful forum such as this.  Please leave the speculation and character assasination for the National Enquirer.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 11, 2006, 12:27:54 AM
Perhaps you should concern yourself with your own team.
Constantine? St. Rose? Now we know who steered him to Wilkes.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 11, 2006, 08:17:53 AM
Quote from: cold_case on February 11, 2006, 12:27:54 AM
Perhaps you should concern yourself with your own team.
Constantine? St. Rose? Now we know who steered him to Wilkes.

CC,

I'm nominating you for an online "EMMY" . Yes, Karen Haag was the Lady Colonels head coach a few years back. And doing nicely at St. Rose I see.  A pleasure to have her posting at the D3 Freedom League forum.
I think her remarks speak for themselves.

By the way, there were a few other suspensions of players by Coach JR over the years.

Many of his past players still revere Coach.....keeping in constant contact......had having very successful careers post-Wilkes. As a Coach, I think JR tries to win but also develop 'character' in his players. 

Of course, that is another side of the story far removed from the wins and losses. JR hasn't done bad in that category. ....W-L's ---of course.... JR is only #2 among acitve DIII coaches in W-L percentage both active and all-time.

A "Legend in Our Mist" and some just can't see it.

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on February 11, 2006, 08:24:51 AM
Quote from: naismith on February 11, 2006, 08:17:53 AM

A "Legend in Our Mist" and some just can't see it.

Naismith

It's always difficult to see "legends" in the fog, isn't it? ....  ::)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 11, 2006, 06:54:11 PM
King's game was PPD today. Did Shovlin play for Wilkes today?

And for all you math wizards out there?  What happens if Lyco and Wilkes wins out, King's only loses to Wilkes, and Scranton only loses to Lyco.  We'll have four teams at 8-4, how will that seeding work?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 11, 2006, 07:16:17 PM
If it ends up the way you posted, Wilkes would get the top spot since the first tie-breaker is head-to-head and they beat King's twice, while the other teams involved all split with one another.
The remaining three spots would be King's, Scranton and Lycoming.
King's gets second over Scranton. Both teams split their two games, each would have swept DeSales and split with Lycoming, so the next tie-breaker would be the sixth place team, in this case, Drew. King's swept Drew and Scranton split with them, giving them the No. 2 spot.
Scranton gets third because they would have swept DeSales while Lyco split with them.
That was the old tie-breaking procedure. If it's the same, then you have your four seeds.
However, if they use the scoring differential between all four teams, then it would really get messy.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on February 11, 2006, 08:14:37 PM
Yes, we want details on the latest Wilkes saga.


1st place Royals....
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 11, 2006, 09:52:30 PM
Great win on the road for the Royals...now they finish at home & control their own destiny. On another topic...the UofS plays in Doylestown where light snow began around 2:30 & when we got back to Scranton, not a snow-flake had fallen. Yet I see Kings cancelled their game with Drew due to the potential of snowfall, but 5 blocks away at Wilkes the temps. were balmy enough for FDU to roll into town??? And both FDU & the canceled Drewbies would be traveling the same path into W-B??? Weather my butt, JP probably had half his team under 21 busted the night before by the beer squad. No suspensions are forthcoming, but all classes held at the Stegmaier Brewery are now cancelled until further notice.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 11, 2006, 10:10:05 PM
Toga,

I'm thinking this was Drew's doing, since NJ was expected to get a heavier snowfall than NEPA.  The reason FDU played was because their game started at 3. King's game was schedule to start at 6, which means Drew wouldn't have left WB till 8 and probably wouldn't have arrived home till 10. 

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 11, 2006, 10:22:33 PM
I'm sure you're right Leo...just busting a little.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ronk on February 11, 2006, 10:57:33 PM
cold case,
      wouldn't your 1st tie-breaker mean that wilkes is 1, kings is 4, and scranton/lyco are tied for 2, with scranton getting 2 by sweeping desales while lyco split with desales?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 11, 2006, 11:45:14 PM
ronk,
I found out about an hour ago that the tie-breakers start at the top and continue downward until all ties are broken. The criteria is head-to-head.
If it ends the way Leo questioned, then Wilkes would get the top seed and will be used as the tie-breaker to decide the remaining three spots. Since it starts at the top, King's would tumble to fourth since it was swept by Wilkes, while Scranton and Lyco split with them.
King's, Scranton and Lyco would have split with each other.
Scranton and Lycoming would get the second and third seeds.
Scranton gets second place over Lyco because the next tie-breaker used is DeSales, which is currently fifth. Scranton would have swept them, while Lyco split.
Now, if Scranton runs the table, and everything else goes the way Leo was asking, then Scranton gets first, followed by Wilkes, King's and Lyco.

"I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it,".....Abraham Lincoln.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 12, 2006, 12:00:47 AM
CC,

C'mon.....

.that's Voltaire not Lincoln ......

but I will defend your right until death (well maybe no that far) to say it was Lincoln ;D ;)

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 12, 2006, 12:11:42 AM
Nais, you mean the Abester stole that line? I read in my History of American Civilization before 1867 and he said it. You can't even trust your own presidents nowadays. ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 12, 2006, 12:13:04 AM
"Great win on the road for the Royals"

Saratoga,

Yep, they did something Wilkes couldn't do....win one at Doylestown.

Now they get 2 at home.....and the 2 are:

Lyco---perhaps the hottest Freedom Conference team having beat Wilkes, Kings and DeSales on the road.

DeSales---the most desperate of the bunch and possibly eliminated from playoff contention by this date. but, if still alive, they can be streaky good. Well coached and well disciplined, the Bulldogs are always tough.

No easy task.....
By the way, where are all the Long Center faithful. The Wilkes game was played to an empty gym ??? Why do they all  leave after the girl's game :-\ ???

Naismith

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 12, 2006, 12:25:22 AM
CC

"you mean the Abester stole that line? "

Afraid so.

Now take notes:

JFK stole the "you have nothing to fear but fear itself" from FDR but......
FDR stole it from a Greek statesmen...I think via trnslation many attribut it to a passage in  Pericles funeral oration although some say it is unknown:


There is nothing to fear other than fear itself.
- Unknown (submitted by Polet Kolopani)

Here is a link to Pericles....worth the read imho ;)

http://arthurshall.com/x_2006_pericles.shtml

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on February 12, 2006, 09:20:07 AM
Quote from: naismith on February 12, 2006, 12:00:47 AM
CC,

C'mon.....

.that's Voltaire not Lincoln ......

but I will defend your right until death (well maybe no that far) to say it was Lincoln ;D ;)

Naismith

I believe that Thomas Jefferson also used the same line.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 12, 2006, 09:46:04 AM
If that's the case, then who originated the phrase_
"Man who walk through airport turnstile sideways, going to Banghkok? ;D :-[
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on February 12, 2006, 05:58:33 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 12, 2006, 09:46:04 AM
If that's the case, then who originated the phrase_
"Man who walk through airport turnstile sideways, going to Banghkok? ;D :-[

John Holmes?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 12, 2006, 09:20:03 PM
Quote from: knightstalker on February 12, 2006, 05:58:33 PMJohn Holmes?

LOL, unless he stole it from Peter North?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 12, 2006, 11:20:33 PM
CC,

Where will you be roaming Tuesday?

And CJ,

Sorry you missed the concert at the Marts Sat.

The Three Tenors cancelled due to an incoming noreaster in NY. (my brother got 30 inches (of snow that is...............don't get excited CC.....in northern NJ.

"The Five Seniors" subbed for the main act.
They didn't miss a beat.
An awful lot of energy. Totally in sync
John S. ran the team well...pushed the ball up when appropriate and  made a number of 'hustle' plays.
EW scored inside and kicked it out for some open 3's.
Cardamone actually made a few shots
Constantine was Constantine.

Some bench players got minutes.
Durako looked decent.....I think he could help next year.

Never thought you could develop that formula so quickly.
I'm sure the FDA will approve it after the FDU clinical trial.
Hope you gave Coach some extra doses.
They will need it Tuesday.

You coming north for the game????
Your first pitcher of beer at Senunas is on me. Ditto for CC or NEPAfan

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 13, 2006, 08:42:49 AM
Dear Sir James, your Royal Countenance, Duke of Naismith,
It appears the next Wilkes game I'll be able to attend will be a theoretical game next Wednesday, regardless of location.  Should Wilkes be playing on February 22nd, I'll cover 2nd round. 

I heard about the legendary performace by "The Five Seniors".  Four of five enter double figures.  Is it possible that Wilkes found that "chemistry" that so many have made so much of throughout the years?  Wouldn't it be something, if after all the substitutions and experimenting... all Wilkes had to do the entire time was play five Seniors?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 13, 2006, 09:48:43 AM
Quote from: roundmound on February 10, 2006, 07:43:05 PM
I think I know the same two reporters, NEPA, and I find this very hard to believe about Wilkes suspending JR. Do you know any more details?


I don't have any more details other than it was a result of an arguement. I trust the reporter(s) that told me this , that is why I posted it. Why do you disagree?

Question: Naismith/CJ when does Shovlin return to the lineup?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bziadie on February 13, 2006, 04:37:51 PM
Cold Case:

regarding your post on the tiebreakers....

If the four teams finish with 8-4 records, Wilkes would not get the number one seed due specifically to a sweep of King's.  Since there are more than two teams tied, the first MAC tiebreaker here would be the records of all four teams that are tied against one another. 

Say for example if all four teams are at 8-4, Wilkeswould have a record of 4-2 against the other three teams they are tied with.  King's record would be 2-4.  Scranton would be 3-3 and Lycoming would also be 3-3.   In this scenario, Wilkes gets the top spot.  One you advance a team you go back to that same tiebreaker and King's would not be eliminated, yet.

So now there would still be three teams tied so you now look at their records against each other. Each would have split so they all have 2-2 records against each other.  So the next tiebreaker would be how did they each do against the team at the top, which would be Wilkes.

In this scenario, King's would be 0-2 while Scranton and Lycoming would be 1-1.  Since the MAC tiebreakers are used to either advance or eliminate a team in the tie, this eliminates King's, but Scranton and Lycoming are still tied.

The next criteria would be Lyco and Scranton head-to-head, which would be a wash since they split.  The next criteria would be how they did against the rest of the conference starting at the top. This would be top-seed Wilkes, and this is a wash since they split with the Colonels.

The next criteria would be how they did against the next highest placing team which would be fourth-place King's.  Scranton and Lyco both split with King's so that criteria is a wash.

The next criteria would be how Scranton and Lyco did against the fifth place team, presumably DeSales. Scranton would be 2-0 against DeSales while Lycoming was 1-1.  So Scranton would get the second seed and Lyco would be third. King's would still be fourth.






Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 13, 2006, 04:38:02 PM
Valentines Day
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 13, 2006, 04:59:13 PM
" Why do you disagree?"

NEPA,

"Dewey Beats Truman (1948),  :-[ Dan Rather, :'( "Mike Piazza is gay". >:(..."Gore wins Fla....Bush wins Fla....no, Gore wins...not, too close to call...." :'(
"Kerry wins Ohio.  etc...............", ??? "Rove outed Valerie Plame :(...no it was Scooter :( :(...no it was ___________(fill in the blank)" :( :( :(

Sometimes the press shoots as straight as the VP. CC, notice I said 'sometimes'. :)

So, for a legitimate reporter or two to spread an unfounded rumor (that they did not print) through an unwitting poster (you)...without veriafiable sources.....(one of the old journalism rules I recall is that you need at least 2 independent sources and you must always always always verify those sources....)has to leave me hmmmmmming.

By the way, I did source out your story....and found nothing to substantiate that rumor. :'( Put it to bed. Like the Kings issue, it was an internal disciplinary matter handled by the Coach and whoever and it is over. JR was on the bench Sat. along with CS with a tie on.......CS will suit up vs Kings.

Should be a great one and a lot of fun.

CJ,

Sorry you won't be there...I'll leave an envelope with a few Senunas tokens in it....you can pick it up at the "Will Drink" window.  I'm sure you know where  that is ;).....(not TM's apartment...lol) ;D

Call it the Suspension Bowl if you like...lol.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 13, 2006, 05:53:28 PM
Zades, I did say "if the tie-breaking procedure was the same as in the past."

Nais, are you sure it's all about the batteries?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 13, 2006, 07:38:20 PM
Dr. Naismith: I'm very glad to hear  the Wilkes player that has dominated recent news for events off the court has found a tie to wear while sitting on their bench. The "outfit" that he wore to the game against Scranton last week might have been perfect for a Ho-down with Snoop-Dog & 50Cent...but as a representitive of a college/university...he should have been put back on the bus. A dress code is in order for some of these schools...take a lesson from Coach Danzig & see how he has his kids look while traveling & sitting on the Royal bench...dress shirt, tie & blazer is still the classy way to look.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 13, 2006, 09:40:18 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 13, 2006, 07:38:20 PM
Dr. Naismith: I'm very glad to hear  the Wilkes player that has dominated recent news for events off the court has found a tie to wear while sitting on their bench. The "outfit" that he wore to the game against Scranton last week might have been perfect for a Ho-down with Snoop-Dog & 50Cent...but as a representitive of a college/university...he should have been put back on the bus. A dress code is in order for some of these schools...take a lesson from Coach Danzig & see how he has his kids look while traveling & sitting on the Royal bench...dress shirt, tie & blazer is still the classy way to look.

What have you got against Snoop Dog?

What were you wearing?
I heard that is wasn't exactly GQ....
Got that verified from 3 reporters.....

Head bact to the racetrack with that post
Naismith

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 14, 2006, 04:54:21 AM
Sara,

Your point rings true about Shovlin's outfit Wednesday.  Of course, it's still better than the hackneyed UofS outfit, modeled by Brian O'Donnell on the sidelines Wednesday night, y'know the navy blazer, white starched shirt, gray slacks, and red tie?  OK, sometimes, they can go with a gray blazer and navy slacks.  Same outfit forever.  That's old.

All that said... it's Snoop Dogg.  "D-O-double-G, you see?"

Here's to rooting for a 4-way tie atop the MAC Freedom, where even a King's guy says Wilkes gets the #1 seed!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 14, 2006, 09:21:33 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on February 14, 2006, 04:54:21 AM
Sara,

Your point rings true about Shovlin's outfit Wednesday.  Of course, it's still better than the hackneyed UofS outfit, modeled by Brian O'Donnell on the sidelines Wednesday night, y'know the navy blazer, white starched shirt, gray slacks, and red tie?  OK, sometimes, they can go with a gray blazer and navy slacks.  Same outfit forever.  That's old.

All that said... it's Snoop Dogg.  "D-O-double-G, you see?"

Here's to rooting for a 4-way tie atop the MAC Freedom, where even a King's guy says Wilkes gets the #1 seed!


CJ,

I know that the Wilkes ice hockey jersey (circa 95) is your prefered outfit. Maybe I can talk O'Donnell into borrowing a Jersey from the University's Ice Hockey team. I didn't know Wilkes-Barre was so hard-core!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 14, 2006, 01:32:24 PM
Naismith: His act needs to be cleaned up both on & off the court & you can take that to the bank. Forget the racetrack for now...if he doesn't get his crap together & soon, he'll be doing what his last name implies in the stables for a living. What...not GQ...so the Armani & VanCleef & Arpels was all for naught...can't trust any of those CV reporters these days. By the way...Kings by 4. Still working on the Scranton/Lyco line.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: oiler on February 14, 2006, 02:20:47 PM
Lycoming at Scranton
Tuesday

Women 6pm
Men      8 pm

www.scranton.edu/wusr

www.scranton.edu/athletics
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopzwiz on February 14, 2006, 02:47:45 PM
What is the best rivalry in the Freedom??
Wilkes - Kings?
Kings - Scranton?
Scranton - Wilkes?
Rickrode - Shovlin?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 14, 2006, 02:59:19 PM
Quote from: oiler on February 14, 2006, 02:20:47 PM
Lycoming at Scranton
Tuesday

Women 6pm
Men      8 pm

www.scranton.edu/wusr

www.scranton.edu/athletics


Oiler we have missed you! What better way to spend V Day than at the Long Center!

Best rivalry is Scranton-Wilkes, followed by Rickrode-Shovlin!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 14, 2006, 03:38:48 PM
Wait a minute.
Nais, 'toga was the clean-cut guy wearing the dress shirt and tie, not the guy in front of him. I think you got them mixed up.
NEPA, you better watch what you say on this board or you'll wind up with a ton of minus karma points like me.
I'm so devastated.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kingjames on February 14, 2006, 03:52:59 PM
CS starts tonight against the young drunks.  Expect a big night, I'll guess 30+.  Watch the cheap shots on him from Soboleiski, that kid has no class.  Although I didn't see it, CS's outfit up da U sounds like typical attire for a 19 yo kid.  If the school needs him to dress in a certain manner they should have informed him before Wed. night.  I have seen other Colonel players on the bench for various reasons not in uniform but in their "street" attire, never in a dress shirt and tie.  Take that issue up with the AD or "the rick" himself.  But don't criticize the kid.  Seems like he's taking a lot of undeserved harsh criticism from you guys when none of you have any idea who he is or what he's like.  Just hearsay.  Are you guys that racist that a white kid can't have a black GF?  He's a bad kid because he has some black friends?  Because none of you can substantiate any of your allegations.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 14, 2006, 04:29:41 PM
King,
You're only minus six karma point behind me. I can see you're trying to make a run so I better get hot....and fast. ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 14, 2006, 04:43:29 PM
Is KingJames CS girlfriend? Who even knew he had a black girlfriend? I love when someone drops the race card.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 14, 2006, 06:10:16 PM
NEPA, that's a good point.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 14, 2006, 06:42:25 PM
KingJames,
If I could give negative karma points, you'd be getting quite a few from me.

No one brought up anything about race until you did, it was just said that is dress was not appropriate for the bench.  I agree, if you're not playing, you should be wearing slacks and a collard shirt at least.

Now what about this Soboleski no class deal, how can you substantiate that.  The time I met him seemed like he was a classy guy.  I've heard plenty of rumors about CS, I'm not going to mention them here because I can't proove them (like you're Soboleski statement).  Either way, the rumors aren't flattering.  Except for a few drinks, King's is all class brother.  Take that to the bank.

-Leo 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 14, 2006, 10:22:16 PM
Scranton 82, Lycoming 79
King's 69, Wilkes 66

How about we just pencil in these matches, same time, same place, for next week??

NEPA - how great is that jersey, huh?  I know that at any given game, I'm probably the guy wearing the biggest Flying W in the building.  There's actually a pretty good story behind the sweater, perhaps I'll share it some day over a ColonelDog.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wb1313 on February 14, 2006, 10:32:45 PM
Practice...we're talking about Practice.....Ok I won't go there.  Hey King, can the King's bus that brought you here drop you back where you came from??  If the playoffs are as close as tonight's games, we're in for one hell (You can't say that on a  discussion board?) of a playoff run. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: loyalroyal on February 14, 2006, 10:49:42 PM
I have a question from one of bziadie's earlier posts regarding the tiebreaker procedure.  I might have misinterpreted the rules but if there is a four way tie for the conference, Scranton would get the number one seed.  In a tiebreaker, the first criteria is the head-to-head records against all the tied teams:

Scranton - 4-2 (one loss against Wilkes and one loss against Kings - swept Lyco)
King's - 3-3 (one loss against Scranton, one loss against Wilkes, and one loss against Lyco)
Wilkes - 3-3 (one loss against Scranton, one loss against King's, and one loss against Lyco)
Lyco - 2-4 (two losses against Scranton, one loss against King's, and one loss against Wilkes)

So Scranton would be #1 and Lyco would be #4.  The tiebreaker between King's and Wilkes would go to King's since they swept DeSales and Wilkes had one loss against DeSales.  So a 4-way tie (if i did everything right) would result in
1.) Scranton
2.) King's
3.) Wilkes
4.) Lycoming

If I missed something, I apologize for wasting the board's space and your time.  And if someone can enlighten me to my mistake, I would appreciate it.

It's go time!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on February 14, 2006, 10:54:56 PM
SJ GUY says:

Gutty win for the royals who were down ten in the second half.


-Playoffs will be battles , but all these tiebreakers make my head hurt.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 14, 2006, 10:59:32 PM
Ummm... Loyal Royal?  Some of these tie-breakers are easier to figure out than others.  Use that Scranton education to explain to me how 10-3 Scranton can end the season tied with 8-5 Wilkes or 8-5 Lycoming. ;D
Quote from: loyalroyal on February 14, 2006, 10:49:42 PM
I have a question from one of bziadie's earlier posts regarding the tiebreaker procedure. I might have misinterpreted the rules but if there is a four way tie for the conference, Scranton would get the number one seed.

...If I missed something, I apologize for wasting the board's space and your time. And if someone can enlighten me to my mistake, I would appreciate it.

More than happy to enlighten!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: loyalroyal on February 14, 2006, 11:25:59 PM
I stand corrected...I'm just gonna bury my head in the sand now and keep it there for a long time.  Thank you colonel for correcting me
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 14, 2006, 11:29:28 PM
Think some of us should take a deep breath and start talking about basketball.

These are kids playing these games. I doubt the most vocal critics would say face to face what they are willing to anonymously type.

I have never seen JS act up at all. I have met CS and he may be 'young' but he is very respectful. (confirmed by multiple people).


Back to the game,

Had the pleasure of having CJ Sr.'s company. He totally ignored me and vented his frustrations on zebras for 40 minutes. He had a couple of partners in crime (not me).
Somehow, someway....the refs didn't hear him.
I guess being a former zebra himself, CJ Sr. thought he might have some clout.
Not so.....at least tonight.....

For those who missed it, Kings led wire to wire and prevailed by 3.
Halftime had Kings ahead by 14. They simply outmuscled Wilkes inside and watched as the Colonels self destructed on the offensive end.
Wilkes had numerous unforced errors. Dropped passes, missed layups etc.
The whistles also went the Monarchs way as Matt Gould and Walters had early foul trouble for Wilkes putting them on the bench.

The 2nd half was the opposite of the first. Both teams started slow but Wilkes eventually worked the ball inside, got penetration from Shovlin  and they inched back. Each time they cut it to 3 or less, a missed shot, questionable call etc.. set them back. Walters was a defensive force with at least  5+ blocks. the Colonels really tightened up the defense. Kings guards couldn't even dribble the ball as they walked, threw it away, had a shot clock violation and a 5 second violation called.

Wilkes had the ball with about 15 seconds down two. Shovlin (triple teamed) found Sclafani for a wide open corner trey. It rimmed out with 3 seconds to go and Kings canned 1 of two Ft's for the final margin.....69-66.

Wilkes held Kings to 21 second half points....quite an effort.

For Kings,
Scalzo and Sobo were tremendous on the glass 1st half.  Kings got some terrific shooting of KD, TM and JW. Seemed like the whole team was hot in the first half.

For Wilkes,

Some nice play from Sclafani, Cardamone. Mike C. was quiet (they were blanketing him). EW had a great game and Shovlin was outstanding.
He made a beautiful steal late in game....could have had a dozen assists if the recipients could finish.....hit his ft's down the stretch. Great penetration. Best player on the floor without a doubt.

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 14, 2006, 11:40:08 PM
Naismith,

Dad was after the refs?  Eh, I'm sure they deserved it.  Given Wilkes vs. Kings, the officials are notoriously poor.  I need not remind you of the 2001 debacle.  Regardless, if Pops ignored you, rest assured it was nothing personal. :)

One thing jumped out from your post - credit to King's for triple-teaming Shovlin with 10-15 seconds left.  THAT is coaching.  After Shovlin ripped King's heart out, single-handedly, at the Marts Center, JP made the call to cover him.  Makes too much sense...

I'm still working on a playoff scenario where Wilkes doesn't make it.  Haven't found one yet.  I'm starting to feel like the computer in WarGames who comes to an inevitable conclusion by working out all possible outcomes.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 14, 2006, 11:57:03 PM
No doubt Shovlin has the most talent on the court, he's lights out if you give him any room to shoot.  However, as an outsider I think EW is the MVP for Wilkes.  Absolutely dominant inside, his foul trouble in the first half cost Wilkes dearly. 

Probably be a rematch next week, flip a coin if you want to predict a winner.

AS for the zebras, one of them is notoriously bad, I even think he had the King's/Wilkes game in December.  The other two weren't has bad, at least less noticible.  Whenever you lose a close basketball game, the zebras are always a target.  Basketball is a contact sport where physical contact is the norm.  Every foul call could be questioned. 

Probably see ya next week folks, better packup the Tums for that one.

-Leo
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ronk on February 15, 2006, 12:21:37 AM
loyal royal,
     with tonite's results, a four-way tie is no longer possible. only kings and scranton could tie for 1st at 11-3 or 10-4. you might want lyco to finish 3rd so that scranton would win such a tiebreaker.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 15, 2006, 01:02:58 AM
I'll declare it now - Wilkes has clinched a playoff spot.

Theoretical worst case - Lyco wins, clinching 3rd.  DeSales wins on Saturday, Wilkes loses on Saturday.  DeSales and Wilkes, now both 8-6 go to tie-breakers.

1. Head-to-head, split
2a. Record against 1st place team(s) - both 1-1 vs. Scranton,
2b. Wilkes 1-1 vs. King's, DeSales 0-2 vs. Kings

DeSales, however, still makes the playoffs if:
DeSales beats Scranton AND
Lyco loses AND
King's loses BOTH remaining games AND
Wilkes loses in NJ.

Then, there's a tie for first, and a 3-way tie for 3rd.  Scranton wins that tiebreaker, don't ask how.  Lyco gets eliminated because they're 0-2 vs. Scranton.

Summation: DeSales can get in, Lycoming can get in, Wilkes IS in regardless.  Scranton and King's can both be #1 seed.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 15, 2006, 08:54:34 AM
How about we cut to the chase and purchase playoff tickets for the Wilkes at King's and Lycoming at Scranton opening round playoff games next week? ;)

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kingjames on February 15, 2006, 10:22:18 AM
If it all plays out the way it should, the Colonels have got to be confident going into a rematch against King's.  CS had a great 5 min. last night, but what happened to the other 35?  The achilles heel for Wilkes is te lack of depth in the front court.  What happened to Goode?  What do you think of his wardrobe?  Kings had a player on the bench too, in sweats.  If "the rick" let's his guys play and doesn't overcoach I think they win.  Lycoming is the only team that scares me because of Pribble. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 15, 2006, 03:16:46 PM
KINGJAMES,


No respect for Scranton?


Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 15, 2006, 04:24:29 PM
CJ,

Of course, CJ Sr. didn't really ignore me.....he just paid more attention to the refs.

Leo,

Of course, you are correct. Any close game can come down to one call or non-call. But they sure bailed Kofi out on a sure 35 second clock violation with a mystery reach-in call with 1 second on the clock.  That was the heftier of the trio on that call and ih was a Kings man all the way last night.

CJ,

Regarding Shovlin, they pretty much had a team pow wow around him every timehe penetrated the middle....all night. He made some super passes that were (to be polite) mishandled. GC absolutely dropped one with no one near him. (1st half). DA flubbed a layup off a feed at the half. SK couldn't convert off a nifty feed (late 2nd half) ...and I forgot a few to be sure. 

CS and the last five minutes:

My only questions are:

1) Were you at the game?
2) Did you watch the game? 
3) or Were you one of the rabid Monarchians yelling Shovlin Sucks all game long???

Then, If you answered yes to 1 and 2, what is your question???

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 15, 2006, 04:31:19 PM
King James,

Talked to Rick N. after the game.
He, unfortunately, needs a back operation and is out for season.

He was pretty despondent.
His extra size and soft shooting touch brought helped Kings preent different matchups etc.
Should they make the torunament, you can never have enough depth and size.

Naismith



Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 15, 2006, 05:34:35 PM
Naismith-

I have it on a good source that one of the officials was spotted walking out of Senuna's before the game.  That may explain some things.

-Leo
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: uofs on February 15, 2006, 10:26:18 PM
Mr Wannabe Naismith look at the boxscores before you come on here and say the official where brutal.Wilkes 18 for 25 Kings 6 for 14 tell me who is wrong my friend.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 15, 2006, 10:29:13 PM
Leo,

There goes the freedom blog again starting rumors....lol...just kidding.

That wasn't the ref....that was Colonel John in new threads.
He was planning to kidnap a ref and handcuff him to the shuffleboard at Senunas. Then he could call a lopsidid game for Wilkes.

Someone bought a round at the bar and he never showed.....

As you know Leo, John S. is one of the better officials in the conference.
A lot of local refs drop by from time to time.

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 15, 2006, 10:45:07 PM
Nais, excuse me but it appears you've dodged a valid point that was brought up by uofs.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 15, 2006, 10:46:01 PM
Quote from: uofs on February 15, 2006, 10:26:18 PM
Mr Wannabe Naismith look at the boxscores before you come on here and say the official where brutal.Wilkes 18 for 25 Kings 6 for 14 tell me who is wrong my friend.

Mr. Royal Personality,

I take it you were at the game?
Wilkes  and Kings were both over the limit both halves. Wilkes with about 10 minutes to go in the first half.
Of course, if you were at the game, you would know that.

Without a stat sheet, I would say total fouls were about even.
Of course, if you wee at te game, you would know that.  

Kings had 6 or 7 shots blocked inside in the 2nd half and played a slowdown perimeter game. As Coach JP noted, they stopped going inside to their big men and settled for jumpers......hardly a way to get 'shooting' fouls called.

Wilkes, on the other hand, relentlessly drove to the basket. This created about 3 or 4 conventional 3 pt. plays and a number of shooting fouls.  

Of course, if you were at the game, you would know that.

Certainly Wilkes was the more aggressive team in the 2nd half.
Of course, if you were at the game you would know that.

I simply said what is true. A number of calls against Wilkes bailed out Kings from shot clock violations and turnovers.  
Of course, if you were at the game, you would know that


But, of course, you weren't there.

And since your major at Scranton was a Bachelor of Science in Dissecting Boxscores....Congratulations!!!


You flunked again. Was you IQ really 10 points below plant life???

Naismith......who was at the game

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 15, 2006, 10:49:40 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 15, 2006, 10:45:07 PM
Nais, excuse me but it appears you've dodged a valid point that was brought up by uofs.

CC,

Don't tell me you were at the game????

You have the stats.....total fouls please....then break them down by ref....I think the hefty guy had the most calls against Wilkes followed by the bald guy....lol

Now, that would be an interesting study.

Naismith.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: uofs on February 15, 2006, 11:06:03 PM
Mr nasmith i was not at the game.Because if you could tell by the name then you know where i was at.You said the same thing about the Scranton game and you where wrong. stop blaming the official take the loss like anybody else and stop pretending your the great one.LOSER
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 15, 2006, 11:29:26 PM
Quote from: uofs on February 15, 2006, 11:06:03 PM
Mr nasmith i was not at the game.Because if you could tell by the name then you know where i was at.You said the same thing about the Scranton game and you where wrong. stop blaming the official take the loss like anybody else and stop pretending your the great one.LOSER


Mr. Boxscore,

I was being faceitous....lighten up a bit....the Royals are on top.

You won't find anything in my posts on Kings-Wilkes that suggests I am 'blaming' the refs.
I know CJ personally and his dad.
I was simply relating his Dad's hysterics at the game.

I only questioned one call. You were not there. So, why use one simple stat to start hurling insults at everyone.....??? ??? ???
Especially since you are quoting a misleading stat. Why not just ask a question? ???l
I was at the Scranton-Wilkes game. Wilkes had no coach and their most talented player on the bench. When EW was tossed, there was little chance for the Colonels to win. I didn't like the ejection and my distaste for the officiating pertains to one official who called that game. (thought I made that clear) He is the same one who was high fiving a Lyco player at the Marts right in front of me and congratulating their players with handslaps down the bench with time still on the clock.
If an official called a game against Scranton and was behaving like that with the opponents players, I am sure we would have heard something from you and it would probably not be polite....since that doesn't seem to be your nature.

I am too old to get all wrapped up in the emotion and spew the hatred and nonsense that you write.  You don't really read the posts carefully and obviously don't comprehend anything other than what you want to hear. So be it.

I have always complimented RA and DC if you have read any of my posts. I also think the Aussie has made great strides. Scranton is legit with or without the early season injuries.

You, however, will have to buy your own at Senunas after the game.

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 16, 2006, 09:35:04 AM
Nais, did you apologize to Saratoga for "dressing down" the wrong guy?

On another note, it's Day 2 for pitchers and catchers at Orioles camp. Got my tickets for their season opener with the D-Rays. :)

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 16, 2006, 10:58:38 AM

Quote


You won't find anything in my posts on Kings-Wilkes that suggests I am 'blaming' the refs.

Quote


Thats good. I could tell you about fouls but I can't find a boxscore, but I would imagine the fouls were pretty even.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 16, 2006, 12:12:34 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 16, 2006, 09:35:04 AM
Nais, did you apologize to Saratoga for "dressing down" the wrong guy?

On another note, it's Day 2 for pitchers and catchers at Orioles camp. Got my tickets for their season opener with the D-Rays. :)



Don't know quite what you mean ???
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 16, 2006, 01:35:12 PM
Danzig's dilemma

Should the University of Scranton men's basketball team advance to the MAC Freedom championship game Feb. 25, Royals head coach Carl Danzig has a problem.

At the same time, Bucknell University is retiring the No. 44 jersey of Danzig's father, Hal, during halftime of its game against Army.

Playing from 1957-59, Hal Danzig led the Bison to three consecutive 16-win seasons. He was the team's leading scorer each of those years and totaled 1,163 career points.

Most of all, though, Hal Danzig was known for his rebounding ability. He grabbed 1,134 in his career, a school record that still stands. His career rebounding average is 15.97.

"It's definitely a tribute to him," Carl Danzig said. "He was a tremendous player, an All-American who was inducted into the College Hall of Fame with John Wooden and a bunch of other guys. He was also a great student-athlete who came away with an engineering degree."

So, where will Carl Danzig be on Feb. 25?

"I'll be here. We're planning on getting to that last game," he said. "My wife and kids will be there. If I can't, we'll be well-represented."

Also having his No. 22 jersey retired in the same ceremony is Al Leslie, a 1981 graduate who holds Bison records for points in a game (45), season (564) and career (1,973).

Hal Danzig and Leslie are the first two players in the program's history to have their jerseys retired.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 16, 2006, 01:56:43 PM
'Danzig's dilemma'

Nepa,

Nice story. Glad you brought it to my attention.
Great to see some of the oldtimers get recognition.

My mom had attended Bucknell many years ago. She was originally from Staten Island.


I wonder if Bucknell retired Mattie's number??

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 16, 2006, 02:08:07 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 16, 2006, 09:35:04 AM
Nais, did you apologize to Saratoga for "dressing down" the wrong guy?

On another note, it's Day 2 for pitchers and catchers at Orioles camp. Got my tickets for their season opener with the D-Rays. :)



CC,
Went back and reread a few posts. Are you talking about CS' flair for making fashion statements? ??? ???

I thought Saratoga hit me with a very nice response...witty and funny.....sort of like your style :D ;D ;)

Actually, I tend to agree with Saratoga on the discipline and dress code ...until I remember how long my hair was and how sloppily I dressed at their age...lol :D ;D

I can show you a pic of me on the links squad that you wouldn't recognize....even I don't recognize myself.  :-[ :o



Naismith: His act needs to be cleaned up both on & off the court & you can take that to the bank. Forget the racetrack for now...if he doesn't get his crap together & soon, he'll be doing what his last name implies in the stables for a living. What...not GQ...so the Armani & VanCleef & Arpels was all for naught...can't trust any of those CV reporters these days. By the way...Kings by 4. Still working on the Scranton/Lyco line


By the way, if Saratoga bets the horses as well as he makes lines....I'd like to sponsor him in Vegas for a few handicapping tournaments.   An acquaintance of mine...Mr. Mel Moser of Pittsburgh finished 3rd this year in the World Series of Handicapping losing the title on the very last bet.

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 16, 2006, 03:56:37 PM
Quote from: naismith on February 16, 2006, 02:08:07 PM
I thought Saratoga hit me with a very nice response...witty and funny.....sort of like your style :D ;D ;)

"Style? Me? Oh, you flatter me too much."
Dr. Miguelito Loveless, a.k.a., Michael Dunn, from the 1960's series, The Wild Wild West.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 16, 2006, 11:51:38 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 16, 2006, 09:35:04 AM
On another note, it's Day 2 for pitchers and catchers at Orioles camp. Got my tickets for their season opener with the D-Rays. :)

Cold-Case,
My condolences on scoring such tickets.

I guess nothing says quality like the Sammy Sosa-less, Tony Batista-less, Brady Anderson-less Orioles taking on the zero-time defending AL East Champion Devil Rays.  "My advice to you is to start drinking.  Heavily."
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on February 17, 2006, 12:27:47 AM
C'mon now, CJ.

You just have to sell it right.  Think of it more as a motocross event.

BASEBALL FANS!!!  Comedown to Camden Yards for experience of a life time

(Feel the rush!)

They'll be thrills...chills...and Javy Lopez


(Kids get in free!)

But that's not all...the first 2000 fans get a free Melvin Mora Bobblehead...and Carzilla will throw out the first pitch!


(BREATHES...REAL...FIRE!!!)


See?  Now it's exciting.  :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 17, 2006, 12:51:57 AM
Now that King's has beaten Drew, I'll drop a little more Bracket-ology on you.

King's and Scranton are currently tied at 10-3.  Should they remain tied after Saturday (be it 11-3 OR 10-4), Scranton gets the #1 seed, pending the Apocalypse scenario below. UofS wins the tiebreaker by virtue of having split with King's and then having a better record vs. Lycoming. For the sake of completeness, Wilkes is the only other possible #3 seed, and both King's and Scranton split with Wilkes.

Apocalypse Scenario:
DeSales beats Scranton AT Scranton (having previously lost at home)
Delaware Valley beats Lycoming AT Lycoming (having previously lost at home)
FDU-Florham beats King's
Drew beats Wilkes

This scenario generates a tie for first at 10-4, and a 3-way tie for 3rd at 8-6.  Given those 4 staggering upsets all occurring simultaneously, King's gets the #1 seed.  Then, on Wednesday Night, it's:
Lycoming at King's
Wilkes at Scranton

DeSales gets eliminated with last night's King's win / Drew loss.  That messes with the third tie-breaker for 1st place, in the Apocalypse Scenario.  Trust me.  DeSales is now done.

Assuming four "chalk" outcomes on Saturday, Wilkes wins a tie-breaker over Lycoming. (Split against each other, both split against King's, Wilkes beat Scranton, Lycoming didn't.) Thus, Wednesday night will be:
#4 Lycoming at #1 Scranton
#3 Wilkes at #2 King's

Any questions?? :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on February 17, 2006, 11:00:53 AM
Yeah, when do you break the egg into the frying pan?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 17, 2006, 11:55:22 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on February 16, 2006, 11:51:38 PM

Cold-Case,
My condolences on scoring such tickets.

I guess nothing says quality like the Sammy Sosa-less, Tony Batista-less, Brady Anderson-less Orioles taking on the zero-time defending AL East Champion Devil Rays.  "My advice to you is to start drinking.  Heavily."
Quote

Don't drink, sorry. I didn't think mentioning the O's would subject me to such an ambush.
You did forget to mention the Jim "Don't call me Bob" Dwyer-less Orioles.
Speaking of the latter, where is Nais?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 17, 2006, 12:39:34 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 17, 2006, 11:55:22 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on February 16, 2006, 11:51:38 PM

Speaking of the latter, where is Nais?

Sitting in the corner after being scolded Jerry "Stringer" of Old Forge fame.

Actually, Nais has a day job other than being your sparring partner.
Absorbed enough jabs the last couple of days ........and the Kings-Drew was a sleeper.....and they had no chile at Senunas.......and I couldn't locate Leo the Lion to buy him his brew (75 cent drafts at Senunas Thurs.).....

So, nothing to report......

But I did have a question for the all knowing CC .....the Sultan of Scranton......the Wizard of Wilke-Barre .....the Mayor of Monarchdom.........
Your humbleness........Met a pair of avid and knowledgeable Scranton fans last nite.
How familiar are you with D3 posters of that persuasion. 
One related the Hal Danzig story I read here so I thought....perhaps...I was chatting with a fellow d3 forum member.

And as you know Mr. CC Scooter Libby Cheney Rove, it is always nice to meet your comrades in posting even if they 'out' your indentity.

Naismith....who never played for the Orioles...

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 17, 2006, 01:29:21 PM
Nais, I tried to unravel the logistics of your post. Can't do it. I guess my dad was right, "sometimes you make me wonder if your antenna stops at all the channels."
E-mail me with a heads-up on what you are saying, if you wish.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 17, 2006, 01:51:34 PM
N,

YOu were in enemy territory last night? Where did you meet these Royal fans?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 17, 2006, 02:00:17 PM
Sitting up in the rafters opposite the player's benches.
I was sitting with a local high school zebra who schooled me on the fine art of officiating.

It was interesting to hear his comments and point of view.

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 17, 2006, 02:10:00 PM
Nais, that's all well and good but the only thing I can from your post is that you're calling me out about something?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 17, 2006, 02:23:25 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 17, 2006, 01:29:21 PM
Nais, I tried to unravel the logistics of your post. Can't do it. I guess my dad was right, "sometimes you make me wonder if your antenna stops at all the channels."
E-mail me with a heads-up on what you are saying, if you wish.

Ni teng ting qing ju ??? ??? ;)

Now you get it ;) ??? ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 17, 2006, 02:24:52 PM
ColdCase: Another Oriole fan in Northeast Pa....I thought my family & I were the only ones...and to think we even admit it after enduring 8 years of Peter Angelos! Still longing for the return of "The Oriole Way"...not the current version. We were fortunate to see the Phils, Cleveland, WhiteSox & Red Sox last year at the greatest park in America. Of course we saw the Red Sox in Sept. so there were 40,000 members of RedSox Nation & only about 3,000 O's fans @ the games but we still had fun. I have tickets so far for the Nats visit so I was hoping Doping Sammy would have signed with them but no such luck...I guess he just can't pee when Congress is watching. Back to B-ball...what a great honor for Coach Danzig's dad...that's a tough one to miss. Scranton had a very gutsy comeback vs. Lyco...hope they bring their A game against an always tough Desales club. Just a suggestion regarding the conflict should the Royals be fortunate to be in the Freedom title game...since his dad is being inducted prior to the Bucknell/Army game Sat. evening...why couldn't the Royals play that game @ 2:00 so he could coach his team & still have time to make it down to Lewisburg for the festivities? Lyco will have a cakewalk vs. DVC but Kings & Wilkes better watch out in Jersey...strange things have happened to very good teams down there at the end of the season. Where have you gone "Wild Bill Hagey"???
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 17, 2006, 02:32:50 PM
Nais, no, I don't get it.

Saratoga, we'll never see the Oriole way again. The days of Earl Weaver, Hank Peters and others are long gone. Now we're stuck with a cheap skate owner and a bafoon as GM in Flanagan.
Gotta love those Boog's Bar-B-Q's. Only problem is, the juice soaks through the bun and it leaves your hands all sticky. Big mistake> I rubbed my eye while the sauce was still coated on my finger. OUCH!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 17, 2006, 02:39:33 PM
Saratoga-

That game should be played at 8pm, so the royal fans can get all tanked up and abusive as possible for either Wilkes (and CJ) or Kings (and Naismith)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 17, 2006, 02:43:26 PM
NEPA, actually it's CJ and Ni teng ting ging ju for Wilkes and Leo The Lion for King's.

FYI_ Wilkes outshot King's from the charity stripe (22-7) until the final two minutes when Wilkes was relegated to fouling. Still it ended up 22-14.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 17, 2006, 02:44:54 PM
Sorry N - Wilkes and Kings tend to blend together in Royal Land.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 17, 2006, 05:11:08 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 17, 2006, 02:43:26 PM
NEPA, actually it's CJ and Ni teng ting ging ju for Wilkes and Leo The Lion for King's.

FYI_ Wilkes outshot King's from the charity stripe (22-7) until the final two minutes when Wilkes was relegated to fouling. Still it ended up 22-14.


Thanks but do they keep a stat on total fouls called?
There are 12 potentially non-shooting fouls and then potentially 3 -1 and 1's.
Wilkes actually converted the front end of just about all there 1 & 1's (which means you shoot an extra 6 attempts versus missing all front ends  which is Wilkes modus operandi). Wilkes also had about 4 conventional 3 point plays which results in shooting fouls prior to the mandated 1 and 1.

Since Kings played slow tempo perimeter ball in the 2nd half, most of the fouls against Wilkes were the hand check variety. I think three illegal screens as well in the 1st half. Most all were non shooting calls.

Point is that shooting fouls are not total fouls.
And total fouls being even or lopsided does not indicate a  well called game.

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 17, 2006, 05:13:21 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 17, 2006, 02:44:54 PM
Sorry N - Wilkes and Kings tend to blend together in Royal Land.

That's ok NEPA.
I actually root for both Kings and Wilkes.
I am a a born and bred Jersey transplant.

I definitely am a Colonels fan first overall but I pull for Kings and Scranton postseason as they are local.

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 17, 2006, 05:21:42 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 17, 2006, 02:10:00 PM
Nais, that's all well and good but the only thing I can from your post is that you're calling me out about something?

Calling you out?

No No.....
just paying homage and respect to your uncanny knowledge of local DE hoop personalities.

You asked where I had been? ???
The answer was basically nowhere.......next time I'll kiss (keep it simple stupid) and say Nowhere.

Now, Sun, I am taking the kids to the Great Wolf Lodge so I will be indoors and waterparking myself for 48 hours.
Quite a place they built in Soctrun, Pa.

If you have kids, nieces and nephews, you should think about it.

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 17, 2006, 06:01:37 PM
Naismith-

Sorry I missed you at Senuna's last night.

As for the game yeah it was a little bit of a snoozer, but it was a good win for King's cause I had this listed as a huge trap game.  As for the officiating last night, the travel call on Soboleski in the 2nd Half when he reached overhead to steal the ball was laughable, and most of the Monarch faithful agree with me.  I hear the ref who called it is "Handshakes" Jr.

As for my Saturday plans, do I take a leisurley weekend drive to Madison or go to the Long Center.  Decisions, Decisions...

-Leo
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 17, 2006, 06:06:56 PM
Drew, a trap game? Watch you don't get a paw stuck in one of those traps, Leo. ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 17, 2006, 08:53:40 PM
Yeah Drew was definitley a trap game,

King's was two days removed from an emotional win over Wilkes, in front of a rowdy crowd.  They played Drew (whose already had some upsets) in front of a crowd 1/3 the size of Tuesday and about 1/100th as rowdy.  If a team losses focus on a game like that, they could lose.  But the Monarchs did not lose focus.

-Leo
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 17, 2006, 08:54:49 PM
Quote from: Leo The Lion on February 17, 2006, 06:01:37 PM
Naismith-

Sorry I missed you at Senuna's last night.

As for the game yeah it was a little bit of a snoozer, but it was a good win for King's cause I had this listed as a huge trap game. As for the officiating last night, the travel call on Soboleski in the 2nd Half when he reached overhead to steal the ball was laughable, and most of the Monarch faithful agree with me. I hear the ref who called it is "Handshakes" Jr.

As for my Saturday plans, do I take a leisurley weekend drive to Madison or go to the Long Center. Decisions, Decisions...

-Leo

Leo,

Yeah, the Sobo walk was pretty lame.
And yes, Handshakes Jr. was in the house

So was DaU .....
Scouting I presume....????

Leo, I may head up I-81 myself
DeSales always play hard so it should be a good game.

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 17, 2006, 09:06:08 PM
For what it's worth...Kings @ FDU...Kings by 9. DelVal. @ Lyco...Lyco. by 19. Wilkes @ Drew...UPSET SPECIAL...Drew by 4. Desales @ Scranton...another close one, Royals by 5.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 17, 2006, 09:19:33 PM
Saratoga,

I called by bookie in Arizona and they gave me a forwarding # to Italy???
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 17, 2006, 09:51:57 PM
The big money is actually on Lyco +19 vs. DVC. Do well enough on this weekends games & you may be invited to Saratoga Springs in August when the greatest 2 year olds are running...or so I've heard from someone I know who also knows someone in a little island villa in southern Italy.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 17, 2006, 11:17:24 PM
Been known to make that late summer sojourn....
In fact, only missed 1 meet (live) in 25 years.

Usually stay in Round Lake.....sometimes Albany....Schroon Lake or (in the old days) right in town at any fleabag motel that didn't charge $300/night.....lol

Sperry's on Caroline and the Cliff House (left at the Red Tomato on Rte. 9 south of Saratoga Springs are my choices for dining.  At the Cliff, they really do not raise prices in season and have the best steak around. Very sports bar oriented.
Just ask for Chaz at the bar and tell him you know the Rags sheet player from Wilkes-Barre, Pa.......that and $3.00 will get you a beer...lol.

Don't do the Travers anymore.....always was partial to the Hopeful on clsing weekend but they have moved a lot of the dates recently.

Great place!!


Oh, my Italian connection used to play hockey. 

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 18, 2006, 04:45:11 AM
'Toga, I'll bet a 5-timer on both Wilkes and Scranton given those gambling lines.  I'm staying away from Lycoming.

Sir James Naismith, how did you ascertain a draft at Senunas's for merely 75 cents without the requisite mug for "Mug Night"?  Did you have a mug from "Helen's" and they still accepted it??
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: loyalroyal on February 18, 2006, 05:04:59 PM
Scranton beats DeSales by 5 and earns number one seed!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: loyalroyal on February 18, 2006, 05:13:59 PM
Quote from: loyalroyal on February 18, 2006, 05:04:59 PM
Scranton beats DeSales by 5 and earns number one seed!

CORRECTION: Scranton beats DeSales 64-56... got bad info from someone at the game and im at home.  sorry all
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 18, 2006, 08:31:00 PM
Ok, Regular Season over.  Playoffs start Wednesday, should be a four day war.

Anyway, here's my fearless predictions for the season ending awards.

Player of The Year- Pribble
Coach of The Year- Danzig (his overcoming injuries, is more impressive than King's overcoming an early season swoon)
Freshman of the Year- Sye from Lyco, only one I could think of.

All Conference first team-
Pribble, Shovlin, Cousart, Christman, Walters

All Conferece second team-
Arnold, Lopez, Constantine, Scalzo, Stricker

-Leo
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 18, 2006, 09:09:20 PM
Arnold second team? LOLOL.
How about Pribble as Player of the Year with Arnold, Cousart, Christman, Shovlin and Bicknell (yep, you forgot the Aussie) as first team.
The POY along with a first-team unit has been done before.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 18, 2006, 10:09:04 PM
Quote from: Leo The Lion on February 18, 2006, 08:31:00 PM
Ok, Regular Season over. Playoffs start Wednesday, should be a four day war.

Anyway, here's my fearless predictions for the season ending awards.

Player of The Year- Pribble
Coach of The Year- Danzig (his overcoming injuries, is more impressive than King's overcoming an early season swoon)
Freshman of the Year- Sye from Lyco, only one I could think of.

All Conference first team-
Pribble, Shovlin, Cousart, Christman, Walters

All Conferece second team-
Arnold, Lopez, Constantine, Scalzo, Stricker

-Leo

Leo,

Coach Danzig-----yep
No Royals 1st team???

1st team:
Arnold-------All Around  complete player
Cousart-----Whoulda thunk it?
Scalzo-------Mr. Inside...Mr. Outside
Pribble-------the Machine
Walters------the fly swatter

2nd team
Shovlin-------1st team talent
Lopez---------silky smooth
Christman----a Bulldog
Bicknell--------likes it Down Under
Pinckney------Explosive Aggie

Missing:      Constantine, Soboleski, Cannon (with a full season) Musser (see Cannon)

Rookie of the Year:  Bicknell (versus a hard charging Sye)

Player of the year: Pribble
Runner-up              Arnold 

Arnold the Royal cog versus the senior scorer...gave it to the senior with some reluctance.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 18, 2006, 10:30:34 PM
And don't forget Naismith's favorite: RS for Official of the Year. ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 19, 2006, 11:32:51 AM
RS in mourning....hometown Bulldogs have gone fishin...

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 19, 2006, 01:27:18 PM
I think I may have forgotten how the format works for All Conference team.  Do you have to have a team that looks like a basketball team (G,G,F,F, C) or is the first team just full of the top 5 players even if they are five guards.  So if that's the case switch Christman and Arnold.  As for Bicknell I think it will wither be him or Stricker who make the second team.

Also is it rookie of the year, or Freshman of the Year?  If it's rookie, then its definitley Bicknell

-Leo
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 20, 2006, 04:16:36 AM
Leo,
I'm pretty sure the positions on the All-Conference Team mean about as much as points given out on the show "Whose Line Is It, Anyway?". Yes, Colin, good improvisation, 128 points...  If you want 4 guards and a forward - go for it!  It's not like our All-Star team plays the Commonwealth's team for home-court advantage...

'Toga,
I'll collect on my wagers given your Saturday gambling lines later... what's the spread for Wednesday's games?

Attention DeSales fans - whoever it was that dressed up like the can of beer to distract Jamie Cousart, (1) Do you still have the outfit, and (2) Can I borrow it Wednesday night?  There's a case of Applachian Brewing or Troeg's (your choice) in it for you.


Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on February 20, 2006, 11:18:55 AM
CJ,


Please take pictures for the benefit of the board if you manage to get that costume.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 20, 2006, 05:51:10 PM
Please do wear it CJ, it'll be easier to pick you out in the crowd.  By the way the last time that was worn it had a huge effect on King's performance.  ::)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on February 20, 2006, 09:20:53 PM
Has anyone seen Knight School yet?

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 20, 2006, 10:49:50 PM
Section J-

Haven't seen it, but I like the premise.  Was it any good?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 21, 2006, 07:17:47 AM
The costume likely won't happen because I have no faith in the DeSales student section.  Do they have internet access in Center Valley yet??

Leo, it won't be hard picking me out.  Look a couple rows behind the Wilkes bench, between where the coaches sit, and where the Scandlon PA Guy and possession arrow guy sit.  I gotta say, I don't like King's, but, man, their possession arrow guy is one of the best in the business.

Gambling lines on 1st technical foul assessed:
None assessed: 2-1
Chris Shovlin: 3-1
Jerry Rickrode: 4-1
JP Andrejko: 10-1
Eddie: 100-1
Field: 25-1
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 21, 2006, 10:47:51 AM
CJ4L-

Maybe I'm having a brain block, but who is this Eddie you are giving 100-1 odds on the Techinical Foul line, I must admit those numbers are appealing.

And by the way, agreed that our Possession arrow guy is the best in the business.  I'm quite fond of Wilkes's scorekeepers myself.

-Leo
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 21, 2006, 11:10:16 AM
So what do we think? Kings a 5 to 7 point favorite , and Scranton a 2-4 point favorite?Fouls? Let's no get started on that.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 21, 2006, 03:17:21 PM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on February 21, 2006, 07:17:47 AM
The costume likely won't happen because I have no faith in the DeSales student section. Do they have internet access in Center Valley yet??

Leo, it won't be hard picking me out. Look a couple rows behind the Wilkes bench, between where the coaches sit, and where the Scandlon PA Guy and possession arrow guy sit. I gotta say, I don't like King's, but, man, their possession arrow guy is one of the best in the business.

Gambling lines on 1st technical foul assessed:
None assessed: 2-1
Chris Shovlin: 3-1
Jerry Rickrode: 4-1
JP Andrejko: 10-1
Eddie: 100-1
Field: 25-1

Cj,
With all respect, the 'none assessed' line is way to small. That should be Powerball sized...like 365 million to 1.

Jp is too high. His vocal chords were pretty extreme in their Drew romp last Thursday.
A Kings bench player told me that JP is extremely hard on officials in general....He should be 3-1.

I'll probably stop at JS's pregame for a sandwich. I'll hopefully find a seat in a booth.  Come on over with CJ Sr., Leo, NEPA, CC and whover and I'll pick up the bar tab.

If Saratoga arrives with his chalkboard and betting lines,
maybe we can get a few shekels down on the game.

I know you crushed that Wilke-Drew game and the cash must be burning a hole in you pocket.


Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 21, 2006, 03:18:20 PM
[td]2005-06 All-Freedom Conference

First Team

Player
Team
Pos.
Yr.
Hometown (High School)

Jonathan Pribble
Lycoming
G
Sr.
Woolrich, PA (Central Mountain)

Randy Arnold
Scranton
G
So.
Chalftont, PA (Central Bucks West)

Jamie Cousart
King's
G
So.
Holland, PA (Holy Ghost Prep)

Drew Christman
DeSales
F
Sr.
Whitehall, PA (Whitehall)

Phil Stricker
DeSales
C
So.
Womelsdorf, PA (Conrad Weiser)





Player of the Year: Jonathan Pribble, Lycoming

Rookie of the Year: Greg Sye, Lycoming

Coach of the Year: Donald Friday, Lycoming
[/td]

Aussie made 2nd team.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 21, 2006, 04:40:19 PM
Glad to see the anti-Carl Danzig nonsense annually displayed by some Freedom League coaches has not spilled over to his players.
Perhaps those who suffer from "Biased Danzig Syndrome" when it comes to Coach of the Year should grow up. It's old now. And we all know who you are!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 21, 2006, 04:59:30 PM
Yeah, please someone tell me why Friday over Danzig?????
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: oiler on February 21, 2006, 05:17:33 PM
MAC Freedom League Men's Semifinals

Lycoming at Scranton

8pm

www.scranton.edu/wusr

www.scranton.edu/athletics
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 21, 2006, 05:28:08 PM
Well, the all conference awards are out, my predictions were reasonably close.

Just a few issues:
1) Who votes for these awards and how did Friday get coach of the year?  I had him way behind Danzig and even behind Andrejko.
2) Eight players on the second team?  Although, I agree with the players chosen.

-Leo
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mattie on February 21, 2006, 06:40:35 PM
Well I am all for the All-Freedom League selections until you get to the DeSales contingent.  How could the team that didn't get into the playoffs have two guys?  I have no problem with Christman.  Even though I didn't get to see him this season, from all indications he is a quality all-around player and the nod is well-deserved.
In Stricker's place you could have went with a few guys (Bicknell, Constantine, Soboleski, Scalzo), but I am not going to bust a vein over this one. 
Where I will bust a vein is the special awards.  Pribble is a no-brainer Player of the Year.  I think everyone here would concur.  However, Friday as COTY and Sye as ROTY?  This is one of the bigger conspiracy theories since Hoffa being buried in the Meadowlands (incidentally, if they didn't chop off Hoffa's arm, he would be a better QB for the Jets than Pennington.).                                        This year's awards were voted on at the luxurious Days Inn in Montoursville. The voting committee this year must have been writers from the Williamsport Gazette, the Milton Standard Journal and the Press-Enterprise.  Nobody else made it becuase the voting took place the weekend when the terrifying blizzard of one inch fell in the region and nobody made the trip to Billport. Thus the sweep of the awards.  Seems simple enough to me.
Danzig took a team with 10 guys and guided them to the #1 spot when it looked like before New year's that they could be looking at 5th in the conference.  Easy choice there.
Big night tomorrow with Wilkes-King's 3 and Pribble vs Scranton.  Should be a lot of fun.  No odds-on choice in either game if you ask me.  Any of the four teams could win it. 
Have fun wherever you go.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 21, 2006, 07:20:12 PM
Carl Danzig hands down was Coach of the Year...no line needed. This is a team that was without Ryan Cannon for 10 games, Pat Clabby for the last 14 & counting, Mike McGowan all season, Mike Kreuter for 6 games & FitzPatrick for 14 games. Once Nick Alfier worked his way as a senior into the lineup he severly sprains his ankle & misses 3 games & after working his way into the starting lineup AFTER everyone else is hurt 6'8" freshman Paul Hawk blows out a knee & is done for the year. Through all of that Carl has kept these kids focused & not once crying about "what if". They have met each team head-on & whether it was Randy Arnold or the last kid on the bench, those kids left it all on the floor each & every night. Most teams in this league that havn't  suffered ANY injuries don't have coaches that get this much from their kids. Coach Danzig NOT getting that award is simply a travisty & petty & to think these other coaches can look in the mirror & say that was the right call...you are all pathetic losers & jealous. Personally, I don't think there is one coach in the MAC given the cards he was dealt would even be in the playoffs let alone the #1 seed. And by the way...Tom Bicknell should be the Rookie...his improvement from day 1 to where we are right now has been outstanding...second to none. I really hope Scranton takes a seriously hard look at leaving the MAC now...who would ever want to compete with those classless & gutless peers any longer??? Truly freakin pathetic...& whether Lyco wins tomorrow doesn't validate anything...it would be 1 win out of 3 tries &against a Scranton team that's at far less than full power & has been all season.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on February 21, 2006, 08:42:40 PM
Echo the sentiments stated above. I would assume that the coaches vote on this kind of stuff? If so shame on all of them that didn't vote Danzig COY. All due respect to the Lyco coach, but he  got his team into the playoffs without any injuries. That deserves coach of the year?


Mattie easy on Pennington huh? Kick a man while he was down?


-Knight School was good although I only caught the last half hour , I wonder if the walk on spot was for this year or next ( ie when did they tape it?)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 21, 2006, 10:56:41 PM
Back from the Great Wolf Lodge where I chased a bunch of kids for 12 hours of water slides, wave pools, etc.....so I'm catching up and catching my breath.

Most of us see limited live games during the season. (one game at a time) so it isn't always fair to judge the ability of individual players. Other than game tapes and scouting reports, the Coaches also see limited games. (their own).

From the press releases I read, the Coaches vote on this team........

Tell me then, why can't they even get a player's position and high school correct.
Vince Scalzo --a local Shickshinny lad who played at Northwest H.S. currently plays forward for Kings.

According to the Lyco press release:

http://www.lycoming.edu/sports/mbball/06releases/mbb_21feb06_allconference.htm

Scalzo hails from Philadelphia, played for Archbishop Ryan and is a guard.....ok...duh....

Now I don't know if a Warrior SID wrote the release, some Freedom Conf. guy or whoever....but I sure be he was 1st Team Press Release Writer...lol   

Naismith

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 21, 2006, 10:59:18 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 21, 2006, 04:40:19 PM
Glad to see the anti-Carl Danzig nonsense annually displayed by some Freedom League coaches has not spilled over to his players.
Perhaps those who suffer from "Biased Danzig Syndrome" when it comes to Coach of the Year should grow up. It's old now. And we all know who you are!

Enlighten me
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: upton on February 21, 2006, 11:00:09 PM
Royals and Lady Royals host all of their Freedom League Playoff games as long as they win.  If you are still wondering what the odds of either team winning might be, consider this.  Including this season and all of last season, the Royals and Lady Royals have a combined home record of 53-1.  If that doesn't tell you something about their chances, I don't know what does.  Go Royals!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 21, 2006, 11:31:07 PM
Quote from: naismith on February 21, 2006, 10:59:18 PM
Enlighten me

Source_ Danzig, TWO VOTES!
Nais, you know Im not going to say anything further than that.
We've always exchanged good info via e-mail. Let's keep it that way.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 22, 2006, 07:14:41 AM
Quote from: cold_case on February 21, 2006, 11:31:07 PM
Quote from: naismith on February 21, 2006, 10:59:18 PM
Enlighten me
Source_ Danzig, TWO VOTES!
Nais, you know Im not going to say anything further than that.
We've always exchanged good info via e-mail. Let's keep it that way.

So Coach Danzig got 2 votes from 7 coaches (not counting himself)...
How many did DF get??

I figure JP must have also had some support.

As far as the 1st team goes CC, do just the Coaches vote on those players?
I have a hard time rewarding DeSales with 2 1st teamers also.

Also, Sye gets ROY and not even a 2nd team nod.

Somehow, though, I doubt Oliver Stone will make a movie about this conspiracy theory.
Maybe you (CC) and CJ can collaborate on a documentary...lol

Naismith 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 22, 2006, 08:52:03 AM
Quote from: Leo The Lion on February 21, 2006, 10:47:51 AM
CJ-
Maybe I'm having a brain block, but who is this Eddie you are giving 100-1 odds on the Techinical Foul line, I must admit those numbers are appealing.

Eddie is a former Wilkes maintenance man who has attended every (almost every?) Wilkes home game, and most road games as long as I've been around.  He sits front row of the student section and is revered by those who heckle.  He's a Hall of Famer.  He knows every ref, he knows every player, he knows who cried at their baptism.  I've only ever seen him kicked out once.  Shortly afterwards, the Wilkes AD chuckled, let him back in, and instructed the ref to never kick Eddie out again.  The only reason he's not 7-1 is because, at King's, he generally sits higher off the court.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 22, 2006, 09:03:59 AM
Cousart made the cut for first team.  Good to see they still take charcter into account.  No suspension, not even benched for a half, and now he's first team.  Whatever.

DeSales gets 2 first teamers, and finishes .500?  What a joke...

Is not the definition of coaching doing the most, with the least?  By that logic, on the first team, Scranton had Randy Arnold, King's has Cousart, and Lycoming had the POY in Pribble.  Wilkes had no first teamers, and is not only in the playoffs, but has beaten all 3 of the remaining teams this season.  Doesn't that make Rickrode Coach O' The Year?  (I have no problem with Danzig as Coach of the Year, either... just putting another non-Friday thought there.)

The Royals and Lady Royals are 53-1 at home the past 2 seasons?  That's a staggering number.  Certainly bodes well for fans of the purple.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 22, 2006, 10:20:24 AM
Q. The one loss  Scranton (Men/Women ) has suffered at home over the past two years?


A. Chestnut Hill.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 22, 2006, 12:48:57 PM
Naismith: Fond memories of the "Springs" yourself I see. There are so many wonderful places to dine & imbibe...let alone the other things that are all around. When heading north...our favorite spot...very similiar to Charlottsville,Va. another tremendous college town that has it all. The atmosphere at the racetrack has to be experienced...no need to bet, just enjoy the town & all it has to offer. As far as tonights games...I still have to think that Kings has a bit more diversity to their game(inside presence) x3 as opposed to Walters generally carrying the load all by himself. Should he get in foul trouble as he's prone to do...Kings has a bit more inside/out & I think they pull this one out. Factor home court & a fairly experienced club & I'll go with Kings by 6. Plus the added incentive...party at Moore's apt.after the game. Lyco. vs. Scranton...let's see, the Royals have taken 2 from them in the regular season...but, I feel this is the toughest matchup for Scranton of the 3 teams due to Lyco's size & agility underneath, the poise of a senior point guard & Pribble. As a team they are playing their best ball right now & they are fairly deep. Scranton must take care of each possesion like it's their last & not get into a shooting match up & down the court. You won't stop Pribble at this stage of the season...but they certainly need to slow him down some. He comes off screens as good as anyone, so the Royals D has to keep a hand in his face. The Royals play a pretty small lineup now with all the injuries so boxing out & rebounding becomes even more important...as does their own shot selection. Should be a great one... I certainly hope the home crowd plays a positive factor & realizes all these kids have accomplished against some pretty tough odds...speaking of which...Royals by 1. CJ...your prize is in the mail.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 22, 2006, 03:28:05 PM
Nice analysis.

Scranton/Lyco--

Bicknell has to play well to secure this one. One other inside player ( Burke etc.) has to play decent.
Backcourt edge to Scranton based on depth and shooting range.
Arnold strips Pribble and dishes to Cannon for the  game winner.......I'll take Scranton minus the 1.

Kings/Wilkes

Kings has a better inside presence with Scalzo and Sobo. Loss of Nenesteil hurts depth. With Moore, Welch, Cousart and Kofi, the Monarchs can place some shooter on the floor. Kofi has especially impressed me the last few games. Does Welch ever miss?

While Kings can shoot, Wilkes can really play some defense at times. The 2nd half of the last Kings game demonstrated their ability to snuff out a pretty disciplined attack. Colonels preceeded to pretty much shut down a pretty talented group of Drew guards including  Lopez.  Wilkes is the quicker team imho. As you note, Walters is very much key here. Had 8 blocks last week against Kings which got Wilkes going 2nd half. Has to avoid the early fouls. Cardamone,  Kline,  Adams etc. must finish better.
I think the Wilkes guards have a quickness edge. Shovlin can break down most defenses off the dribble and create shots.

The intangibles:  Kings may actually have more 'big' game experience than Wilkes via their NCAA appearance.  Both coaches are proven winners. Kings has home court but I expect a rowdy Colonel contingent will make their way to the Scandlon.

Just a hunch: Wilkes upends the Monarchs.....by 9 (late fouls).  I'll take the points.
Then, I'll tease both picks on a 10 pt. teaser with the under on Wilkes-Kings....lol

Good luck tonight

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 22, 2006, 03:38:48 PM
This just in_ Rod Stroebl assigned the Wilkes at King's game.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 22, 2006, 04:54:45 PM
"Make my day"...lol

Maybe I'll present him with an Oscar for his role in BrokeRick's B-Balls ----you remember him CC---he was the gay guy who impersonated a ref ---had a fetish for Coaches and young Warriors.

Naismith

May 




Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 22, 2006, 05:09:01 PM
Nais, you're starting to worry me. ;D

OT: Did you watch The Shield last night? They had Jimmy Johnson playing two bit parts in the role of some whacked out druggie in a cell. I didn't know it was him until I saw the credits.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: justonequestion on February 22, 2006, 06:49:26 PM
going with lycoming in a close one and kings wins by 7-10
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on February 22, 2006, 09:37:17 PM
CC -


Jimmy Johnson the NASCAR driver? I love me some Nascar!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 22, 2006, 09:51:29 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 22, 2006, 05:09:01 PM
Nais, you're starting to worry me. ;D

OT: Did you watch The Shield last night? They had Jimmy Johnson playing two bit parts in the role of some whacked out druggie in a cell. I didn't know it was him until I saw the credits.


CC,

I'm trying to beat you out for the D3 Hoops Pulitzer Prize in Peculiar Posting.
How am I doing?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wilkes72 on February 22, 2006, 09:56:57 PM
WILKES @ Scranton on Saturday!!  no time given yet.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 22, 2006, 10:22:28 PM
Quote from: justonequestion on February 22, 2006, 06:49:26 PM
going with lycoming in a close one and kings wins by 7-10

Don't quit your day job...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on February 22, 2006, 10:30:56 PM
Hopefull that the Scranton Student Section will show up and give it to Shovlin and company on Saturday...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 22, 2006, 10:35:35 PM
In the words of Don Merideth, "Turn out the lights, the party's over."

Doom and gloom in Monarch country today, Wilkes made the big plays, King's just fell short.  Tough call on who to root for Saturday, I'll let you know in a few days.

I know there is no solace for this loss right now, but it wasn't a bad year for King's, a year many thought would be an off year after the BBC loss.  And watch out next year, yeah the Monarchs lose the heart and soul in TM, but next year's team will definitley make a run.  If Nensteil comes back, watch out.

Until next time,
-Leo
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wilkes72 on February 22, 2006, 10:37:43 PM
Quote from: Section J Guy on February 22, 2006, 10:30:56 PM
Hopefull that the Scranton Student Section will show up and give it to Shovlin and company on Saturday...

Just like the King's section that kept up with "Shovlin sucks".  It really worked for them.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 22, 2006, 11:01:17 PM
Quote from: wilkes72 on February 22, 2006, 10:37:43 PM
Quote from: Section J Guy on February 22, 2006, 10:30:56 PM
Hopefull that the Scranton Student Section will show up and give it to Shovlin and company on Saturday...

Just like the King's section that kept up with "Shovlin sucks".  It really worked for them.

Easy now '72'......kids are kids...I've seen worse behavior by adults especially at Little League games. CS actually seems to thrive on all that in your face stuff.

Seriously, Scranton presents a much different matchup than Kings.

One week ago, Wilkes won the 2nd half of the Kings game by 11 pts.
They were ahead 11pts. at the half tonight.


That's 22 points over 40 minutes....
Think Wilkes figured something out about matchups etc.?

Now, Scranton is a different story....The Royals have the top Freedom league point guard in Randy Arnold....a fearless and quick defender who handles the ball. He can penetrate and shoot. Add in Kirk, Cannon , Alfier from the perimeter and you have one tough bunch.

Bicknell has become a legit big man. With some help, Scranton can match Wilkes inside as well.

Time to pore over those Chestnut Hill tapes.

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 22, 2006, 11:04:19 PM
Wilkes72,
Unlike King's, Scranton has some size and depth inside. It's also pretty good.
Regardless, whoever wins the Freedom will get whacked badly in the NCAA's. It's just not a good year for the league.

No whining about the officiating? Wilkes must have won.  

Nais, you have a ways to go in your pursuit of catching me for the peculiar post award.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kingjames on February 22, 2006, 11:06:32 PM
Cousart?  First team all conference?  He carries the ball or double dribbles EVERY time down the floor. 

Wilkes beat King's tonight and looked good.  To go into a hostile environment and win like that is impressive.  How far can they go?  Give Kable some credit tonight for hitting some big 3's in the second half.  Constantine had a great first half.  SHovlin had a great all around game.  His penetrating towards the end of the game was the key.  Wlater's had a good game.  Gould scares me and not in a good way.  He and Constantine almost threw the game away, literally.  Should be interesting up da U.  "The Rick" has got to give Shovlin the green light to shoot. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 22, 2006, 11:16:24 PM
Nais, my sources tell me Alfier may not play Saturday. They said he got worn out chasing Pribble all over the court tonight. ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 22, 2006, 11:30:14 PM
Without going into much detail...James Powell & Nick Alfier chased Pribble from the opening tip & gave him little or no room to shoot all night. The defense these two kids played on him would have brought a smile to Bobby Knight's face. I don't think he had 10 points tonight...and he worked his tail off for those. Just doing one last perception check...Lyco has the PLAYER of the YEAR, they have the ROOKIE of the YEAR, they have a 4 year point guard yet they end up 4th. in the conference...but, that's good enough to earn their coach...COACH of the YEAR honors????????? What a classy league!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 23, 2006, 10:51:39 AM
It is the 1970's.
Wilkes (a College then) has dominated wrestling winning the MAC championships year after year.
They wrestled DI schools like Oregon State, Oklahoma, Syracuse, Navy and the powerhouse Lehigh.

They won the first ever Division III National Championship in their own house.
Artie Trovei, John Chakmakas and Mike Lee won individual championships in their respective weight classes. Another couple of guys were national runner-ups.

Wilkes won by a large margin.
Coach of the Year:

Not Wilkes coach John Reese but the runner up coach from John Carroll in Ohio.

Wilkes went DI shortly thereafter.
On Point: this stuff happens all the time..... 

As AI might say...."This is the Freedom League Man.....we're talkin bout the Freedom League ...."
Time to move on.
Naismith

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 23, 2006, 10:53:01 AM
Quote from: cold_case on February 22, 2006, 11:16:24 PM
Nais, my sources tell me Alfier may not play Saturday. They said he got worn out chasing Pribble all over the court tonight. ;D

No big deal. Coach D. could probably win with some walk ons.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 23, 2006, 11:02:56 AM
Quote from: naismith on February 23, 2006, 10:51:39 AM
It is the 1970's.
Wilkes (a College then) has dominated wrestling winning the MAC championships year after year.
They wrestled DI schools like Oregon State, Oklahoma, Syracuse, Navy and the powerhouse Lehigh.

They won the first ever Division III National Championship in their own house.
Artie Trovei, John Chakmakas and Mike Lee won individual championships in their respective weight classes. Another couple of guys were national runner-ups.

Wilkes won by a large margin.
Coach of the Year:

Not Wilkes coach John Reese but the runner up coach from John Carroll in Ohio.

Wilkes went DI shortly thereafter.
On Point: this stuff happens all the time..... 

As AI might say...."This is the Freedom League Man.....we're talkin bout the Freedom League ...."
Time to move on.
Naismith




First of all : It scares me that you know about 1970s wilkes wrestling. Second, who cares about wrestling? Third, what else are we suppose to talk about?

Oh yeah Wilkes at Scranton 3 pm. Can anyone tell me why the women have prime time game at 7pm?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 23, 2006, 11:26:41 AM
Just a hunch...perhaps so Coach Danzig can coach his Royals & also make it down to Lewisburg to take part in the festivities of seeing his dads # retired? Because in all the other years when both the women & men had these games they were at 6:00 & 8:00. On another topic...the Royals are now ranked 7th. REGIONALLY. A win on Sat. is a free pass to the NCAA's...but even with a loss in the Freedom championship...might they still get a bid???
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 23, 2006, 11:28:43 AM
Quote from: saratoga on February 22, 2006, 11:30:14 PM
Without going into much detail...James Powell & Nick Alfier chased Pribble from the opening tip & gave him little or no room to shoot all night. The defense these two kids played on him would have brought a smile to Bobby Knight's face. I don't think he had 10 points tonight...and he worked his tail off for those. Just doing one last perception check...Lyco has the PLAYER of the YEAR, they have the ROOKIE of the YEAR, they have a 4 year point guard yet they end up 4th. in the conference...but, that's good enough to earn their coach...COACH of the YEAR honors????????? What a classy league!

Sounds like Scranton game planned well.  
Pribble has never been great at 'creating' his own shot. He is excellent at shooting off screens etc. Still think his best stint was a few years back when Lyco featured the 2 skyscrapers. Great career.

As far as the job Scranton did defensively, 16 second half points speaks for itself.  

As to Wilkes-Kings, it went pretty much as I expected. Wilkes came out intense and pressured the ball. Just like last Wed., the Kings guards played a bit tentative and Wilkes led by 11 at the half. It could have been more but Wilkes didn't really shoot that well.
Kings brought Scalzo outside in the 2nd half and screened for him.  Nice and effective adjustment. VS made a number of key '3''s whcih brought the Monarchs back. They actually tied the game at one point. With Walters and Cardmone saddled with 4 pf's each....it looked like a Colonel Car wreck was about to take place.
But Jeremy Kable-----a real clutch performance----hit a trey and Wilkes persevered.  Nice energy from Dan Adams who filled in some critical minutes. Some nice moments for almost all.......but CS and JK really showed up.
For Kings, VS and John S. played extremely well. They just didn't get the support on the perimeter in the first half. John S. had a look of exhaustion late in the game. That kid is 100% effort. Kings got very little scoring from the guard position or the bench.
Wilkes was the better team last night.

Should be an entertaining game Sat. Looking forward to it.

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 23, 2006, 12:05:50 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 23, 2006, 11:02:56 AM
Quote from: naismith on February 23, 2006, 10:51:39 AM
It is the 1970's.
Wilkes (a College then) has dominated wrestling winning the MAC championships year after year.
They wrestled DI schools like Oregon State, Oklahoma, Syracuse, Navy and the powerhouse Lehigh.

They won the first ever Division III National Championship in their own house.
Artie Trovei, John Chakmakas and Mike Lee won individual championships in their respective weight classes. Another couple of guys were national runner-ups.

Wilkes won by a large margin.
Coach of the Year:

Not Wilkes coach John Reese but the runner up coach from John Carroll in Ohio.

Wilkes went DI shortly thereafter.
On Point: this stuff happens all the time..... 

As AI might say...."This is the Freedom League Man.....we're talkin bout the Freedom League ...."
Time to move on.
Naismith




First of all : It scares me that you know about 1970s wilkes wrestling. Second, who cares about wrestling? Third, what else are we suppose to talk about?

Oh yeah Wilkes at Scranton 3 pm. Can anyone tell me why the women have prime time game at 7pm?

On the third point, "What else are we suppose to talk about"

If you didn't miss Class at Senunas' last night, you might have found out....

And if Coach CD is the focal point of your interests in life......well CJ, CC what say you about misguided youth???

Naismith

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 23, 2006, 12:55:29 PM
I meant what else are we supposed to talk about on the MAC FREEDOM board, smart guy.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 23, 2006, 01:14:20 PM
Just a few comments:

Saratoga,
Scranton has an outside shot of getting an at large bid (two from each region this year?) but I wouldn't rest on that.

CJ4L-
I've heard some talk about the "hockey jersey" on this board.  Were you wearing said jersey last night?  If so watch out, the WB Fashion police may be on your trail.

KingJames-
Why the obsession with Rickrode over not letting Shovlin shoot.  Seems to me Rickrode did a fine job last night. 

My prediction for Saturday:
Scranton 68, Wilkes 63 

-Leo
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 23, 2006, 02:41:15 PM
Nais, speaking of peculiar, according to a Lyco source, he said fellow coaches called Don Friday, wishing him good luck against Scranton. Hmmmmm.
He didn't say who those coaches were. Hmmmmm, Part II.
From this day forth, I'll call this, "The Danzig Conspiracy."
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 23, 2006, 03:27:52 PM
Cold_Case,


Any info on a certain big man taking in the game at the Long Center last night?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 23, 2006, 03:44:38 PM
You mean my nephew? He's a good kid but he's tripping over too many small D-I offers. He really likes it up here so we'll see what happens, although I like Scranton's chances.
The problem_ His dad tosses pennies around like manhole covers, although he'll support whatever decision the kid makes. ;)
Title: About Last Night
Post by: mattie on February 23, 2006, 06:40:17 PM
My thoughts from an entertaining evening at the Scandlon Gymnasium:
First off, King's not having Nenstiel hurt them greatly.  Soboleski would have got more rest and would have been fresh down the stretch.  That being said, Soboleski showed why he will be the premier big man in the Freedom for the next two seasons.  He worked his ass off when most of his teammates were asleep at the wheel.  If he didn't show up, the game would have been over earlier.  Between Cousart, Scalzo's big second half and Soboleski, nobody else had any desire to be there last night and it showed. 
As for Wilkes, apparently someone went to them before the game and told them they are the best team in the conference.  The Colonels took every shot the Monarchs gave them in the second half and never let the game get away from them like they did earlier in games against Lyco and Del Valley. 
Shovlin was able to get to the basket any time he wanted and as good a defender as Dwebeng is, he couldn't hang. The bench won this game for the Colonels, with Sclafani, Adams and especially Kable providing big plays all evening.
As for the Scranton game, it sounded like Lyco had every shot to win an ugly game and couldn't get over the top.  Pribble unfortunately picked a bad night to have a bad night.  Credit the Scranton defense for an enormous effort.
Wilkes-Scranton 3 for the NCAA Berth on Saturday.  Could go either way and should be a great game.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 23, 2006, 07:10:23 PM
Wilkes v. Scranton, 3 PM Saturday.  It's amazing - already, two separate people have noticed the pairing and contacted me with the phrase "purple margaritas".  In the immortal words of manager Lou Brown from Major League, "That's a hell of an idea."

First off, a sincere thank you to the Wilkes players and coaches.  I've been walking around all day with a big goofy grin.  Some days, it's just good to be a Colonel.

Quote from: justonequestion on February 22, 2006, 06:49:26 PM
going with lycoming in a close one and kings wins by 7-10
J-1-Q, close one.  Almost nailed it, except you were 100% wrong.  You sir, are no ColonelSwami.

Big thanks to Naismith who taught a one-credit course in MAC Playoffology.  The course, which took place on King's campus in Senunas Hall, explained why and how Wilkes would beat King's and 3 scholars came to the conclusion of Wilkes by 9 (on late fouls).  Your score with 10 seconds remaining?  Wilkes by 9 (on late fouls).

A surprisingly smart scheduling move by UofS, moving the guys game to 3 so that Danzing can go see Pop's number retired.  It is, however, a surprisingly dumb move to have a 2 hour delay before the start of the foregone conclusion that is the women's final.

Leo - about the hockey jerseys, last night I was wearing a Russian hockey jersey to celebrate their victories on Tuesday and Wednesday.  Gotta love Red Army hockey. (My, how culture has changed in 26 years.)  There's a better than average chance I'll dust off my Wilkes hockey jersey for Saturday afternoon.

The real outfit I'd like to wear for Saturday  - from Wilkes at Scranton, 2000.  A then Senior at Wilkes, Matt Jagusak, "Jags" to you and me, wears a plain white t-shirt.  Written on the front, in permanent marker, "SCRANTON FAN KISSING BOOTH" and an arrow pointing down to his junk.  True genius.

Lastly, for those roughly a month ago during the "two week seizure" saying that Rickrode wasn't a good coach, that he'd lost his players... that win last night was all coaching.  Rickrode (and the staff) discovered a weakness in King's during the 2nd half last week.  Once again, Wilkes returns to a MAC-F Championship game, and coaching is the biggest reason.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on February 23, 2006, 07:18:52 PM
Colonel John:

What's all this about a Wilkes ice hockey jersey? Did the Colonels at one time assay to play a sport on ice? Please advise, soonest ....

BTW anent Jags (an allegedly "true genius"?): where is this oft-banned poster these days?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 23, 2006, 07:28:03 PM
Warren - begrudgingly, it's a Wilkes roller hockey jersey.  Though, it certainly appears to be an ice hockey jersey and all, even manufactured by CCM.  Last I checked, Wilkes has never played on frozen pond... though the roller hockey team once came within a few minutes of the Final Four.

For those wondering:
Slice a lime wedge in half, and run it around the rim a standard maragarita glass.  Rim with salt.
1 1/2 ounces tequila
2 ounces triple sec
1 ounce lime juice
splash of blue curacao (for color)
splash of grenadine / creme de strawberry (for color)
Shake, strain, serve over ice.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on February 23, 2006, 07:36:57 PM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on February 23, 2006, 07:28:03 PM
Warren - begrudgingly, it's a Wilkes roller hockey jersey.  Though, it certainly appears to be an ice hockey jersey and all, even manufactured by CCM.  Last I checked, Wilkes has never played on frozen pond... though the roller hockey team once came within a few minutes of the Final Four.

Mercy! There's a roller hockey Final Four? Does the NCAA know about this?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on February 23, 2006, 09:08:00 PM
In honor of the Scranton-Wilkes rivalry , I bring you the top ten student sections:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/sioncampus/02/14/student.sections/index.html



I personally liked the "deadbeat dad" chant directed at Januzzi.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on February 23, 2006, 09:42:45 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/sioncampus/02/20/spring.break2/index.html

Part two.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 24, 2006, 07:30:17 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on February 23, 2006, 07:36:57 PM
Mercy! There's a roller hockey Final Four? Does the NCAA know about this?

Warren, I know there's no walnut and bronze trophy at the end of the road, so I doubt it's NCAA sanctioned.  The other hints were that it was a club sport (not a varsity sport), and that there are two divisions, not three.  Regardless, Division II, 2001 Wilkes went to the Elite Eight.

That reminds me, 2001 - it was a much simpler time, when Wilkes would beat Scranton thrice a season.  Few things please me more than looking up in the stands at the Long Center, only to see a 6'7" former coach squirming, wondering if he could be coaching this squad better.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 24, 2006, 12:35:30 PM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on February 24, 2006, 07:30:17 AM
That reminds me, 2001 - it was a much simpler time, when Wilkes would beat Scranton thrice a season.  Few things please me more than looking up in the stands at the Long Center, only to see a 6'7" former coach squirming, wondering if he could be coaching this squad better.
Quote

CJ,
If you look a little higher up, you'll see two banners that read Men's NCAA National Champions. They were won by teams that own a 70-35 career record against Wilkes.

My question is: How is Catholic's men ranked in the Middle Atlantic Region poll while the Catholic women are ranked in the Atlantic poll.
UNBELIEVEABLE!!!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 24, 2006, 12:55:16 PM
So who wins the battle of Bicknell/Kreuter vs. Walters on Saturday?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wilkes72 on February 24, 2006, 12:57:52 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 24, 2006, 12:35:30 PM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on February 24, 2006, 07:30:17 AM
That reminds me, 2001 - it was a much simpler time, when Wilkes would beat Scranton thrice a season.  Few things please me more than looking up in the stands at the Long Center, only to see a 6'7" former coach squirming, wondering if he could be coaching this squad better.
Quote

CJ,
If you look a little higher up, you'll see two banners that read Men's NCAA National Champions. They were won by teams that own a 70-35 career record against Wilkes.

Cold case,
I like your logic.  The two banners are from when Bessoir was coach, not Danzig.  His record against Wilkes is .500.
I think Bessoir might be squirming again on Saturday.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 24, 2006, 01:09:09 PM
Wilkes72, like I posted earlier, the Freedom winner will get whacked in the NCAA's. It's not a good year.
Yes, Danzig is .500 against Wilkes, but what was Bess from the 1993-94 season until his retirement against Jerry?


Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 24, 2006, 01:17:55 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 24, 2006, 12:35:30 PM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on February 24, 2006, 07:30:17 AM
That reminds me, 2001 - it was a much simpler time, when Wilkes would beat Scranton thrice a season.  Few things please me more than looking up in the stands at the Long Center, only to see a 6'7" former coach squirming, wondering if he could be coaching this squad better.
Quote

CJ,
If you look a little higher up, you'll see two banners that read Men's NCAA National Champions. They were won by teams that own a 70-35 career record against Wilkes.

My question is: How is Catholic's men ranked in the Middle Atlantic Region poll while the Catholic women are ranked in the Atlantic poll.
UNBELIEVEABLE!!!!


Why should two different sports with different committees and different numbers of schools sponsoring them be forced to have the exact same regions? That's why the NCAA does the smart thing and lets the sport's committee determine the regions.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 24, 2006, 01:26:20 PM
Bess will be squirming alright...but because his "chosen one" doesn't have a team playing any longer. As for the winner of the Bicknell-Kreuter/Walters matchup...my money is on Herr Stroble & the zebra 3. Although the Royals may have had a chance to grab an at-large bid even with a loss tomorrow based on their current Regional ranking...that chance may have just become considerably smaller given York's essential choke job last night. Should Salisbury knock off Catholic as well...there will be no chance of a Regional at-large for Scranton as they will be given to York & CUA.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 24, 2006, 01:38:12 PM
Saratoga--

you lost me on that reference. 2001 was Bess team, just a different guy running it. Bess didn't recruit his last year leading the Royals.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 24, 2006, 01:56:41 PM
What reference did I loose you on???
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 24, 2006, 02:04:14 PM
Herr Stroble???
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 24, 2006, 02:28:12 PM
Stroble is a ref in the MAC that not 1 team ever wants to see on the court during any game...let alone one of this magnitude. If you've noticed any of the previous posts referring to a ref that "high fives" players...that's him. If the team you follow ever gets him at a Desales game...you're down 10 zip to start. He's as cocky as he is bad. The "Herr" is just a little German for Mr.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 24, 2006, 04:28:26 PM
Is there a way we can get CAC or PAC refs to make the trip and officiate this one tomorrow?  I don't want to risk such a game on Frau Stroble.

CC - Yes, the MAC-F is down.  No, that doesn't mean an automatic L in the NCAA's.  The conference was "down" last year, too, and we know what happened then.  The conference was "down" when UofS went to a Sweet 16 under Danzig.  Anything is possible...

To answer the question of what Bess's career record vs. Rickrode is, I know for a fact it's under .500.  When Bess left, it was in the midst of 10-game losing streak to Wilkes (3 in '98, 2 in '99, 2 in '00, 3 in '01).  Jerry's first game ever was a win in the 1992 Laurel Line Tourney (remember that?) against... Scranton.  But that record is as relevant as the 2 purple banners that say National Champions right now.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: MOst7 on February 24, 2006, 04:31:59 PM
I can´t imagine Bess squirming...since his "chosen one" is not involved and since Scranton does´t hang league championships banners from the rafters.  The only ones squirming will be Danzig and Rickrode...who will be trying to get a league title and inch up on Bess´15 plus championships. (sorry, don´t know the exact number, but both have a long way to go).
It is notable that King´s was selected 6th in the pre-season (Coaches Poll) poll and finshed 2nd.  But, Danzig did a good job to deal with his situation and deserves the crown.
With 59 teams in the tournament, it is quite a shame that none will get an at large bid...but then again, with the scheduling of Marywood, BBC, Keystone et al...the entire season wouldn´t make anyone squirm in their seat.
Bess´record from 93-94 til retirement is like  2-15...pitiful, yes...but the 68-15 before that had a lot of league and NCAA hardware to go along with it.  So, maybe it´s history...but it´s history no ne will rewrite in our posting lives.
Regardless of who wins...the old 6´7" man will still walk out of the gym as the winner.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 24, 2006, 04:43:24 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 24, 2006, 01:26:20 PM
Bess will be squirming alright...but because his "chosen one" doesn't have a team playing any longer. As for the winner of the Bicknell-Kreuter/Walters matchup...my money is on Herr Stroble & the zebra 3. Although the Royals may have had a chance to grab an at-large bid even with a loss tomorrow based on their current Regional ranking...that chance may have just become considerably smaller given York's essential choke job last night. Should Salisbury knock off Catholic as well...there will be no chance of a Regional at-large for Scranton as they will be given to York & CUA.

Saratoga,

Who called the Scranton-Lyco game?
Wilkes-Kings, much to the chagrin of CC, had three refs I had never seen before.

I don't know how officiating teams are chosen but I was told these guys may have been from a completely different conference or area.

I thought they called a pretty even game and kept emotions under control. No technical fouls on either side and the only incident was a fan ejection for Kings. (think he tried to get on the court and 'in you face' with a Colonel during a play stoppage).

Other than usual "Shovlin Blanks" etc., it was a pretty good raucous crowd.

I do understand that a Kings-Wilkes scuffle took place post-game outside Rodanos (Italian joint across the street from the gym). My King's source told me police were called and dispersed the mob.

And CC, if you would simply change your name to CSI Scranton or CSI NEPA, I will refer the case of the damaged Driving Miss Daisy vehicle to you. Please inspect the vehicle promptly for trace evidence and tell me whether it was a bat, rock or some other instrument that instantly air-conditioned the vehicle in question.  

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 24, 2006, 04:57:12 PM
Quote from: MOst7 on February 24, 2006, 04:31:59 PM
I can´t imagine Bess squirming...since his "chosen one" is not involved and since Scranton does´t hang league championships banners from the rafters.  The only ones squirming will be Danzig and Rickrode...who will be trying to get a league title and inch up on Bess´15 plus championships. (sorry, don´t know the exact number, but both have a long way to go).
It is notable that King´s was selected 6th in the pre-season (Coaches Poll) poll and finshed 2nd.  But, Danzig did a good job to deal with his situation and deserves the crown.
With 59 teams in the tournament, it is quite a shame that none will get an at large bid...but then again, with the scheduling of Marywood, BBC, Keystone et al...the entire season wouldn´t make anyone squirm in their seat.
Bess´record from 93-94 til retirement is like  2-15...pitiful, yes...but the 68-15 before that had a lot of league and NCAA hardware to go along with it.  So, maybe it´s history...but it´s history no ne will rewrite in our posting lives.
Regardless of who wins...the old 6´7" man will still walk out of the gym as the winner.


Bess was, no doubt, one of the preeminent coaches of his era.
Had some great teams, players and staff.

I also have info that his prior High School career was nothing to write home about.  Anyone have those stats. In fact, we have a poster's relation in our midst who may have played for Bess in H.S.

I should also like to remind everyone that both Kings (Ed Donahue era) and Scranton in the 1950's played at a level much higher than today. Even I can remember walking down to Kings in the 1970's to watch them play DII ball. Army, Niagara (anyone recall Calvin Murphy?) etc. were their opponents. I have seen some programs and box scores from Scranton during the 1950's. They hung around with some of the nation's best. 

As I recall, there was a Honesdale based sportswriter who passed away a few years back. He had covered every World Series from 1939 to about 1984. He also covered local sports and was on the Cooperstown HOF committee.
Never married, they sold his memorabilia at Gordon Kinzinger's auction. I was there. A few Scranton alum (they were players) scoffed up all the old programs and box scores. One fellow was a real gentleman and I looked through most  of his stash.


As for me, I bought his collection of baseball photos, some old programs from MSG in the 1950's etc.

Wish I could remember that fellow's name.

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: MOst7 on February 24, 2006, 05:16:30 PM
don´t know too mucj about Bess´H.S. Career...I was just a "baby Royal" then...but from what I´ve heard it wasn´t long.
But what he did with his Scranton teams sets him apart from what is now going on in D3 in our region...and his records, his hardware and his player´s achievments will be with us for a long time.
Not to take away the great play of Januzzi or the scoring of Chandler, but it will be a long time til anyone builds a program like Bess did.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 24, 2006, 05:23:07 PM
Naismith, I'll check into the sportswriters name from Honesdale. It's news to me, however. I can't recall a local with such status. What paper did he write for?

By the way, do you know who recruited Calvin Murphy at Niagara? None other than Ed Donahue.
I also remember Notre Dame playing King's in Wilkes-Barre. I believe Austin Carr was a member of the Irish?

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 24, 2006, 05:49:38 PM
And speaking of Bess & Big games...who will ever forget when Scranton  knocked off an Army team coached by noneother than Duke's very own Coach K!!! On the upside...we now have the opportunity to see other classic programs such as Chesnut Hill, Marywood & Cabrini enter the hallowed halls of the Long Center.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 24, 2006, 05:58:21 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 24, 2006, 05:49:38 PM
And speaking of Bess & Big games...who will ever forget when Scranton  knocked off an Army team coached by noneother than Duke's very own Coach K!!! On the upside...we now have the opportunity to see other classic programs such as Chesnut Hill, Marywood & Cabrini enter the hallowed halls of the Long Center.


That is the nature of the beast. Those schools have caught up to Scranton in enrollement and facilities. Hell Marywood probably has equal to better facilities than Scranton (across the athletic spectrum). Dare I say the only thing that would now seperate all the schools in NEPA is for a school to go D-1. Otherwise, you are going to see teams keep beating up on each other.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 24, 2006, 06:12:55 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 24, 2006, 05:23:07 PM
Naismith, I'll check into the sportswriters name from Honesdale. It's news to me, however. I can't recall a local with such status. What paper did he write for?

By the way, do you know who recruited Calvin Murphy at Niagara? None other than Ed Donahue.
I also remember Notre Dame playing King's in Wilkes-Barre. I believe Austin Carr was a member of the Irish?

He worked for the Wayne Independent. I remember that much. I'll dig his name out.....He wrote a local hsitory of  baseball in Honesdale during the late 19th and early 20th century. I think Mathewson played for their squad for a short period of time. I bought the book but don't have a clues as to where I put it. One of those very local and very limited type of issues.

Naismith

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 24, 2006, 06:16:58 PM
Enrollment means nothing when half the schools you now are forced to play have essentially "open admission". Other than a baseball field on campus...Marywood has nothing on the UofS facilities wise...and academically...don't even get me started.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 24, 2006, 06:18:38 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 24, 2006, 05:58:21 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 24, 2006, 05:49:38 PM
And speaking of Bess & Big games...who will ever forget when Scranton  knocked off an Army team coached by noneother than Duke's very own Coach K!!! On the upside...we now have the opportunity to see other classic programs such as Chesnut Hill, Marywood & Cabrini enter the hallowed halls of the Long Center.


That is the nature of the beast. Those schools have caught up to Scranton in enrollement and facilities. Hell Marywood probably has equal to better facilities than Scranton (across the athletic spectrum). Dare I say the only thing that would now seperate all the schools in NEPA is for a school to go D-1. Otherwise, you are going to see teams keep beating up on each other.

Probably so, but keep in mind that Coach JR has the 2nd best winning % of all current D3 coaches and also the 2nd best all time among non-active coaches.........makes one go hmmmmm .

I do agree that these teams beat each other up. Maybe the talent level is pretty even at this point and that is why everyone constantly says it is another "down year".

Am not sure how long the Freedom has been around in its current form but can someone enlighten me as to how the Freedom champ has done NCAA wise the past ten years??

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 24, 2006, 06:21:56 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 24, 2006, 06:16:58 PM
Enrollment means nothing when half the schools you now are forced to play have essentially "open admission". Other than a baseball field on campus...Marywood has nothing on the UofS facilities wise...and academically...don't even get me started.


Heard Marywood was bulding a new Recreation Facility..
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 24, 2006, 07:24:06 PM
Wow, lot to respond to, where do I start.

Saratoga,
I'm gonna keep my mouth shut on the Danzig/ "Chosen One" debate for now, considering Danzig could still make a run this year.  All I'm gonna say is I'm really glad things worked out the way they did and the Chosen One is on our sidelines (Not to mention Bess sitting in our rafters). 

Naismith,
As for the King's/Wilkes postgame shananigans, let me be your source.  A rather large Wilkes student ran towards the King's student section and started pounding his chest and tauntin the fans.  I'm pretty sure this incident was broken up by King's security.  Leaving Scandlon, I did notice a crowd gathering near Rodano's, so I assumed there was some fracas taking place.  There were both King's and Wilkes students standing around the exit of the gym a good 10-15 minutes after the end of the game, people were looking for trouble.

As for the refs,
Last year I'm pretty sure we had MAC regulars reffing the playoffs.  This year it was three strangers at King's and I'm assuming the same at Scranton.  By the way, Mr. Stroble did the King's at DeSales game this year, and suprisingly, King's won quite easily.

-Leo
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 24, 2006, 07:42:36 PM
Quote from: Leo The Lion on February 24, 2006, 07:24:06 PM
Wow, lot to respond to, where do I start.

Saratoga,
I'm gonna keep my mouth shut on the Danzig/ "Chosen One" debate for now, considering Danzig could still make a run this year. All I'm gonna say is I'm really glad things worked out the way they did and the Chosen One is on our sidelines (Not to mention Bess sitting in our rafters).

Naismith,
As for the King's/Wilkes postgame shananigans, let me be your source. A rather large Wilkes student ran towards the King's student section and started pounding his chest and tauntin the fans. I'm pretty sure this incident was broken up by King's security. Leaving Scandlon, I did notice a crowd gathering near Rodano's, so I assumed there was some fracas taking place. There were both King's and Wilkes students standing around the exit of the gym a good 10-15 minutes after the end of the game, people were looking for trouble.

As for the refs,
Last year I'm pretty sure we had MAC regulars reffing the playoffs. This year it was three strangers at King's and I'm assuming the same at Scranton. By the way, Mr. Stroble did the King's at DeSales game this year, and suprisingly, King's won quite easily.

-Leo

Leo,

What about Wilkes van that had the windows smashed?
Collateral damage??? 

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 24, 2006, 07:47:44 PM
Leo,

Should have stopped by Senunas before or after game.
Would have liked to meet you.

A lot of war stories told.
We all have a lot of friends at Kings. I generally sponsor a hole at the Paul Farber Memorial Golf tourney, went to the NCAA's last year at Ramapo....(with a bunch of Kings alum .....and a former Coach) ...

Introduce yourself next time. It's always great to meet D3 b-ball fans of all persuasions.

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ronk on February 24, 2006, 10:38:03 PM
Naismith,
   In the 60s there were only 2 bball divisions(university and college) and Scranton, while in the college division, played 8 D1 schools(Canisius,Niagara,Bucknell,Lafayette,Temple,Seton Hall,Providence, and Villanova) and two now div1(Hofstra,Wagner). I saw Bill Witaconis average 27 ppg against this opposition.
   I think Kings got Notre Dame to open their new gym since they were run by the same order, got some publicity, and 3 Irish starters(Austin Carr,Colis Jones,Sid Catlett) were from DC,(practically a home game).
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 25, 2006, 12:10:39 AM
Thanks Ronk.

Sounds like you are a 'real' fan. Must have been great getting to see all those teams on a regular basis.

During that era, I was patrolling the asphalt in northern NJ just learning the game. Was a big Knicks fan and would take in games at the Garden. Once in a while, I'd catch an ABA game as well.

Also saw a few guys like Walt Frazier and Donnie May in the NIT.

Ronk, that was 40 years ago and it seems like yesterday.....ouch!

Some of these youngsters will remember the Horgans and Jannuzzi's the way we rmember the Calvin Murhy's, Austin Carr's and Willis Reed's etc.

Think we have the better team...lol

Naismith 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 25, 2006, 07:36:39 AM
Quote from: naismith on February 25, 2006, 12:10:39 AM
Think we have the better team...lol

Naismith

If the refs aren't calling it, give me Jason Fisher and that flying left elbow.  All of a sudden, our team's not so bad. :o)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 25, 2006, 07:54:59 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on February 25, 2006, 07:36:39 AM
Quote from: naismith on February 25, 2006, 12:10:39 AM
Think we have the better team...lol

Naismith

If the refs aren't calling it, give me Jason Fisher and that flying left elbow. All of a sudden, our team's not so bad. :o)

Colonel,

Jason Fisher elbows??? Is that some type of macaroni? What kind of sauce do you recommend?  Is that really the best you can do? You must be a contestant on one of those budget menu reality shows....lol.

If you want to see a 'Real' b-ball highlight Reel, get a hold of some Earl the Pearl Monroe tapes from his days with the Baltimore Bullets.....the guy had more moves than United Van Lines and more fakes than all those $30 Chinese Rolex watches.  A product of Winston Salem State, I think more baby boomers imitated him on the court than any other.....
He was also called Earl 'the Magic' Monroe.

I remember when the Knicks traded for him.....most predicted he couldn't play the team concept. Knicks won their last championship with he and Frazier at the guard spots. Jerry Lucas was the center...............those were the days......at least for Knick fans.

Later

Niasmith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 25, 2006, 08:14:59 AM
Nais,
I think the Knicks would have easily won two NBA titles with "The Pearl" had we not lost Willis Reed midway through the 1971-72 season. Had to use Lucas at center and those long range missles he'd fire up from 30 feet just weren't enough against the Lakers.
Do you realize the Knicks had six players on that team that are now in the Hall of Fame?
No need to discuss their current state of affairs. :(
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 25, 2006, 08:53:34 AM
Good to see you guys couldn't sleep in either...

CC - Sure they have six guys who are players, but I'll go out on a limb and say Philip is in because of his 9 coaching rings, not his 2 playing rings.  And Dollar Bill taking Princeton to a Final Four, well, it didn't hurt his cause.

Naismith, perhaps during pre-game warm-ups, while Scranton's speakers blare Jay-Z and the Rolling Stones (Holy Anachronism, Batman!!), I'll enlighten you on that old Italian dish, Jason Fisher Elbows.  He's the only master chef I've seen do it right.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ronk on February 25, 2006, 11:52:58 AM
Naismith,
    You forced me to dig out the program from the only NIT I attended(1968 with Donnie May that you mentioned). It was the 1st round Saturday day-night double headers (Army with coach K at the point and Bobby Knight as coach vs. Notre Dame, Bradley-LIU, Duquesne-Fordham, and West Va.-Dayton)
    Great weekend with the Irish playing in New York City on St.Patrick's Day weekend. It was spring break for those who didn't drive to Florida.
     Even ran across a writeup in a bball preview magazine on Carl Danzig's father Hal, whose jersey they're retiring tonite at Bucknell after the Scranton-Wilkes game.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 25, 2006, 12:34:49 PM
ronk,
Here's something you may remember. Did you know Donnie May was in a Vitalis commercial?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mattie on February 25, 2006, 12:50:03 PM
For those who are unfamiliar with the Jason Fisher reference, Jason Fisher is the greatest concealed elbow thrower in the history of the MAC.  He would have you rnerves unraveled right from the beginning because you knew he was great at it and he was never going to get a call against him.  As much as the Colonel contingent hated him for being a Royal, you had to respect him not only for what he got away with, but for being a hell of a player as well.
As far as the officiating answer, I will assume that it will be a crew you have never seen before, or one personally hand picked by Warren Thompson as the cream of the Commonwealth crop. 
If that isn't the case, the one official you do not want to have within 100 miles of the Long Center is Red.  I don't know his name, but he goes about 5'5", a moustache and always finds a way to jam it up both team's asses at inopportune times.  He is the worst of the worst, and should not be officiating biddy ball at the YMCA, let alone the biggest game of the season.
That being said, I am off to Five Guys Burgers and Fries in luxurious Dickson City before heading to the Long Center.  Should be a lot of fun, and a tight game from start to finish.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 25, 2006, 01:16:28 PM
Naismith,

I did not hear about the smashed Wilkes van, but a friend of mine told me before the game that Wilkes had parked their van in a dark alley behind Rodano's.  We both thought that that was not a good move.  That's not condoning what happened, its just acknowledging that there may have been better parking spots.

I'll also be sure to stop in next season when you are having history class at Senuna's, I'm sure someonle like me could use a good Northeast PA Basketball history lesson. 

As for today, not going to the Long Center, may listen to the game on my radio thought.

-Leo
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 25, 2006, 01:33:47 PM
Prelude to a Championship...

The story has been written, adversity has been faced, and overcome.  Which team gets their name engraved on a trophy this afternoon??

Scranton - An embattled coach, and an injury plagued team.  With a loss, at home, to then 0-10 Chestnut Hill, all seemed lost.  But Randy Arnold and his band of merry men respond.  A #1 seed, and two home playoff games.  Does the story end with the opportunity to cut down nets in front of the purple faithful?

Wilkes - The first chapter in this story is arguably the best - down 9 with 1:30 to go against the crosstown rival, Chris Shovlin single-handedly wills his team to an OT win.  A legendary coach battles with his strong-willed all-star, a 7-0 start becomes a 1-5 stumble down the stretch.  But another win against King's, and the story might end another Colonel looking to put his name next to Turner, Barrouk, and Jannuzzi.

The story has already been written - how does it end?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on February 25, 2006, 04:55:21 PM
64-63 Scranton with the comeback victory. Instant Classic.


NCAA bound.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on February 25, 2006, 04:55:51 PM
Cutting down the nets as we speak.... ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 25, 2006, 05:04:03 PM
I missed the second half on radio, was it good?

Apparently CS had alot of foul trouble, limited to 8 points. 

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ronk on February 25, 2006, 07:37:13 PM
    Listening over the internet but had to leave also with 3 min left, Wilkes up 63-59 and Gould on foul line.  Wilkes didn't score for the remainder. It was exciting up to that point but both sides had missed half their foul shots. believe cs had at least 2 offensive fouls and got his 4th early in 2nd half, missing much time.
   Hopefully, someone who was there will give us an eyewitness account.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kingjames on February 25, 2006, 07:47:14 PM
The Colonels had the game all but won, and the refs kepts the royals in it.  A pitifully officiated game.  CS got into foul trouble but didn't deserve it.  Kid makes his move around the defender, drives the baseline, hangs in the air, scranton player comes in late and fouls, but three blind mice call it offensive, twice!  I think the real refs couldn't make it so the got 3 drunks from farley's to wear the striped shirts.  Wilkes deserved the win  IMO but as is often the case scranton gets a gift.  Evan Walters had a great game and outplayed Bicknell in every facet of the game.  He was "man of the match".  Scranton couldn't handle Shovlin so they got some help.  No way were they offensive fouls, no way.  Kable had another strong game coming off the bench.  It's a sad day in the diamond city.  The MAC is just an entirely corrupt organization.
Title: Refs??
Post by: adam on February 25, 2006, 07:56:07 PM
Great game at the Long Center today.  As a Wilkes supporter, I was disappointed with the outcome.  As far as blaming referees despite a close finish and some questionable calls, I think the zebras did a decent job today.  One call I would question is Shovlin's fourth, but Chris on the bench didn't hurt the Colonels.  Sure, you'd love him in there, but Wilkes extended the lead with him in foul trouble. 
Great comeback for the Royals today as their patchwork line-up proves to be better than all of the solid line-ups in the Freedom.  I wish them well in the tournament and certainly would rather see the Royal faithful in the dance instead of those clowns from Kings ;D
Congrats to the five Colonel seniors who will be missed.  Great group of gentlemen from top to bottom, Mike Constantine, Drew Amoroso, Evan Walters, Greg Cardamone, and John Sclafani.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 25, 2006, 08:36:28 PM
kingofcrybabies,
Maybe, just maybe, it's time you make a life for yourself.
Pitifully officiated game? It's always that way when Wilkes loses.
Evan was "man of the match?" He had ZERO points and ZERO rebounds in the second half.
All you ever do on this board is cry about officiating and how "CS" gets the short end of the calls.

A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. -- Sir Winston Churchill   
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 25, 2006, 09:01:34 PM
I'm sure most of the Royal contingent are taking in the girl's final tonight and will surely check in later. To them, Congratulations on a hard fought and well deserved victory.

As for the game , someone forgot to remind the Colonels that the game is forty minutes and not thirty.
Wilkes came out very very sloppy making 5 unforced errors in the first few minutes. Scranton pulled out to a quick 7 point lead (9-2) at the 16 minute mark or so.
The Colonels woke up and tied the game quickly.
Wilkes managed a 5 point lead on a buzzer beating '3' from Constantine. (that was a long 2.1 seconds). :o Fair to say that both teams defensive efforts overshadowed their offense. The half remained nip and tuck.
Neither 'team' shot their foul shots well.
Wilkes continued to have the upper hand in the 2nd half despite the absence of Shovlin for 14 1st half minutes and 12 2nd half minutes. Evan Walters was doing it all (except free throws)...Kable had some timely shots as did Constantine. Sclafani also nailed a clutch '3'.
Wilkes upped  the lead to 10 and seemingly had the game  in hand.....so it appeared.

But there is one thing you have to admire about Scranton......Consider:   Both big men are plagued with fouls. :'( Randy Arnold can't get a shot off. :-[....Cannon has airballed one '3' :(, bricked two ft's :'( and had another jump shot blocked twenty feet from the basket.. :( :-\ :-[......................
Yet, they remain composed. They don't panic....they actually seemed to thrive on this adversity deriving even more energy and determination.

Next thing, they get some inside play from their backup big man. Arnold gets two nearly uncontested layups and Cannon hits a clutch '3' from the rafters. And Irish Ryan Fitzpatrick hits nothing but net on crucial ft's. Scranton did what they needed to do and prevailed.

The simple fact is that Wilkes only score in the last four minutes was a Steve Kline layup. So, in the game's first 4-5 minutes, Wilkes scored 2 pts. In the last 4 to 5 minutes, they scored  2 pts. Eight to ten minutes of play and 4 points.

The defensive effort was there for both teams. Scranton appeared to have game planned  to stop CS on the base line drive. They dropped a second defender to plant for the charge and got the call twice.
Other than that adjustment, I thought Scranton played to take away the Wilkes outside threat, drop a guard down on Walters when he posted. (they did those same things in both previous games) and let the Colonel forwards beat them if they could.

On defense, Wilkes focused on stooping the 3 point shooting of Scranton as well. They did a pretty solid job. Arnold earned everything he got as Gould put forth a big effort. With CS out of the game, no other Colonel could contain RA on the drive and he did make some really fine passes on the interior.
Walters defended the post well but whenever he sat, the Royals seemed to dominate inside. No. 53 (backup center) had an excellent offensive game and hurt Wilkes.

I know some are smarting over the officiating....I didn't think the game was called all that crisply but the calls went both ways. (didn't you think EW strangled RA out of bounds with 10 seconds to go)???? ??? And if JK's shot had dropped,  that Zebra may have needed an escort from the Long Center. ::)
Spoke with a local HS official who had called a lot of big games in his day. He rarely attends D3 games....he asked me (at the half)  if the officiating was representative of the MAC. When I told him it was usually much worse, he looked stunned. He did not think the officials coordinated well, made too many marginal calls (pointed out the first Shovlin 'O') and missed the obvious ones.  
By the way, Royal fans, he was clapping for your team....and he loves Darrin Cannon's game ---but said he should be playing in the Ivy League!!!

Overall, it was what it was....a hard fought game....a bounce here or a bounce there. Someone was going to win it.  I think both teams were deserving. It is Scranton's year. Best of luck in the NCAA's. If they get a home game, I will be there pulling for the locals.

Naismith  
Title: Did You Know???
Post by: loyalroyal on February 25, 2006, 09:09:30 PM
Great games on the part of the Royals and Lady Royals (also good I could rest my voice during the girls game).

Interesting fact about today.  The Royals and Lady Royals both win the MAC Freedom and both were #1 seeds.  The last school that I know of to win both the men and women's conference championship as one seeds was Scranton in 1993 when both the men and women had two losses during their entire seasons.  The only years where another school could have accomplished this feat since 1993 was 1995, 1998, 2001, and 2003 (as being the only four years since then the Lady Royals have not won the conference championship)

As for the game today.  I was sitting in the student section and boy was it rowdy.  Officiating was hit or miss and they dropped calls both ways.  It was obvious that the student section was getting to Wilkes as Shovlin flipped the student section the finger going down to the lockerroom  and Rickrode jawing with a student in the student section at one point.  As usual, Rickrode used too much attention focusing on bad calls than his players.  And to be able to come back from 10 points down with less than 10 minutes to go is a testament to the heart the team has.  Danzig IS the COY no matter what anyone else says.

Good luck to both the men and women in the NCAAs!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 25, 2006, 09:11:55 PM
Nais,
I'm wondering if Scranton hosts Keystone in the opening round? That would be the first time two college's from Lackawanna County met in an NCAA game.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 25, 2006, 09:17:37 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 25, 2006, 08:36:28 PM
kingofcrybabies,
Maybe, just maybe, it's time you make a life for yourself.
Pitifully officiated game? It's always that way when Wilkes loses.
Evan was "man of the match?" He had ZERO points and ZERO rebounds in the second half.
All you ever do on this board is cry about officiating and how "CS" gets the short end of the calls.

A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. -- Sir Winston Churchill  


CC,

Sic 'em boy u sic 'em

Now take a deep breath....relax. Please let all Colonel contributors vent for a post or two. Some of us continue to forget that these are kids and it is really just a game......

By the way, word is out that you sent a letter to Tagliabue congratulating the NFL on the fine officiating in the Super Bowl.   Seems you singled out that 'illegal blocking tackel' as the a HOF worthy call....lol

Let me know when you want to go to Bruticos for a veal T-bone or, for that matter, any establishement of your choice in the Pizza Capital of the World.

On me.......

We'll shoot ft's for the tip.

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 25, 2006, 09:59:48 PM
I'm taboo at Brutico's. I graduated with the owner. Seems he never forgave me for fumbling at the goal line in our annual Thanksgiving battle with Riverside.
However, if you want a good antipasto, we'll stroll next door to Rinaldi's. None better in this world. Perhaps the best kept secret in fine Italian Cuisine resides up the road at Pat Mishello's place (Anthony's). Very reasonable and very good. No way you leave without a doggie bag.
I'm game for dining out with you. We'll make a night of it, you bring the wife and I'll bring the woman. Don't sweat it, we'll dutch it and I'll pick up the tip too.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on February 25, 2006, 10:03:21 PM
Keystone is a provisional member of Division III so they can't play in the NCAA tournament.

Baptist Bible could if they wanted to, I think.  And they'd have a very strong case for a Pool B bid.

It's a shame they played in the NCCAA instead .  At some point it'd be fun to see them play in the NCAAs instead of destroying Davis College, Valley Forge Christian and Philadelphia Biblical.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 25, 2006, 10:03:34 PM
Hey, Barney Fife died. Not a good day!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 25, 2006, 10:08:03 PM
Gordon "Manfred" Mann, don't forget Practical Bible, unless they're somone else now.
So Keystone is personna non grata? Hmm. And you're not sure about the Bible Thumpers? I guess Monday we'll find out.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on February 25, 2006, 10:11:02 PM
Yeah, almost positive the Coppers of Keystone are not allowed in the party.  You have to complete a four year transitional period to become a full member of NCAA Division III and they are only in year 2.

Practical Bible became Davis College.  I only know that from living in Binghamton for four years.  Did you know they even have their own zip code?  Impress your friends with that useless piece of knowledge. :)

"Blinded by the light..."
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ronk on February 25, 2006, 11:31:09 PM
   My Mid-Atlantic sub-regional projection:
       Bethany-York and Catholic-Centennial winner
       Messiah-Lincoln and Scranton-Alvernia

   NCAA will probably replace Bethany with a good team from another region to strengthen the Mid Atlantic.

    The Brutico's I remember from 4o years ago was on Main Street in West Scranton;sounds like they moved.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 26, 2006, 12:03:29 AM
Ronk,
Quote from: ronk on February 25, 2006, 11:31:09 PM
   My Mid-Atlantic sub-regional projection:
       Bethany-York and Catholic-Centennial winner
       Messiah-Lincoln and Scranton-Alvernia

   NCAA will probably replace Bethany with a good team from another region to strengthen the Mid Atlantic.

    The Brutico's I remember from 4o years ago was on Main Street in West Scranton;sounds like they moved.

Ronk,

The real question is if you remember CC's fumble at the goal line!!!!
An Earnest Byner clone in our midst......whouldda thunk that "The Bus" was simply trying to emulate our very own CC in the Indy playoff game.

By the way, I was at the Donnie May NIT game....they had a pretty good guard as well in Bob Hooper. I think he later coached the Flyers.

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on February 26, 2006, 12:26:29 AM
Ronk,


Are those the matchups or will teams from the Atlantic or East play those mid-atlantic teams?

Shovlin shows class by flipping off the student section. Classic.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ronk on February 26, 2006, 01:11:59 AM
    There only projections for the Mid-Atlantic. Then the two sub-regional winners should play the two sub-regional winners from another region in the sectional. The men's side doesn't preordain who the region will join in the sectional until the pairings are announced Monday morn unlike the women's side where we know already that the Mid-Atlantic will be joining the East in the sectional.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: adam on February 26, 2006, 07:26:24 AM
Now, now, that wasn't Chris Shovlin flipping off the student section, that was me.  Flipping off the student section, the person in the parking lot who wouldn't let my car out, the two jerks who stepped in front of my car once it was out, the guy standing by the meter on the way out of the parking lot, and very civilian from the Long Center to Interstate 81.  Even let some poor  guy in Duryea have one for no reason, so give credit where it's due.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 26, 2006, 07:52:26 AM
Adam, ask Matt why he drove to Dickson City for hamburgers before the game instead of sauntering down the street to the world famous Majestic? Heck, that's where I ate before tipoff and they even cleaned the grill. ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 26, 2006, 07:57:45 AM
Quote from: Section J Guy on February 26, 2006, 12:26:29 AM
Ronk,


Are those the matchups or will teams from the Atlantic or East play those mid-atlantic teams?

Shovlin shows class by flipping off the student section. Classic.

Section J,

Yeah, the student section was pretty animated etc.
I didn't know they studied Geneaology at DaU.

I heard them calling out Shovlin, his sister, his mother, his grandmother.....
How far back on the Family Tree did they intend to go if we went OT???

Inquiring minds would like to know???

And how did you like the former Wilkes-Barre Pa. Tag Team. They are making a comeback after being banned for too many bench technicals.....


I'm sure CJ will feature Sat. afternoon in his memoirs:

"Saturday's With CJ Sr."  

Loud, raucous and hysterical.....

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 26, 2006, 08:18:03 AM
Talk about a peculiar post. ::)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 26, 2006, 03:03:25 PM
Sorry Naismith,

KingJames doesn't get ranting privileges from me, he has the same rants after every Wilkes loss or win, "The Man was holding Shovlin down."  Against King's, Rickrode played the role of "The Man", yesterday it was the Refs. 

As for the Royals, who knows?  Maybe they can make a run like those King's "jokers" from a year ago. 

-Leo
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mattie on February 26, 2006, 03:14:05 PM
ColdCase:  No disrespect but the last time they cleaned the majestic's grill, I believe Nixon was just getting caught for the first time for Watergate.  If you don't have the implied grease on the grill at local joints like the Majestic, there is no point in going.  Go to Five Guys if you get the chance.
Now onto yesterday:  As much as it was the popular choice to go with Arnold for MVP, the nod here goes to #52, and I am sorry I don't know his name (Lumpy rings a bell).  All kidding aside, when he came back in the second half after getting three fouls in the first, he finally got the Royal inside game established with two quick baskets and the more he stayed on the floor, the fresher Bicknell was when he came back.  Without him, the game would have been lost for Scranton way before the comeback started.
About five minutes into the second half, I said to the group I sat with (and if Adam ever flips me off in Duryea again, brother or no brother I will colostomize him) that if Scranton doesn't get to 65 they won't win.  Well as it turned out, I was dead on with the point predicton, expect that Wilkes didn't get there either.  Tremendous lockdown on defense by the Royals and with everything that happened to them this season, they are 21-6 and don't be surprised to see them represent the Freedom well in the NCAA's.  May even get a home game in the first round.
Good luck to them, and I echo the sentiments of the loss of the five seniors on the Colonels.  They are a great group of guys who will be missed. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on February 26, 2006, 04:29:09 PM
I would expect the Royals would host a first round game on Thursday.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 26, 2006, 05:12:57 PM
Having a first round home game would be great for Scranton...but as for "expecting" it, never underestimate the power of illogical thinking by the NCAA power brokers & selection committee. As for Scranton's MVP...no doubt Randy earned it considering all that he must do for them to be in position to win...however, the job James Powell did on BOTH Pribble to get Scranton to the title game & then on Shovlin was a defensive thing of beauty. He personally disrupted two of the most explosive scorers & had them frustated from tip to final buzzer by belly to belly D, hands constantly reaching & his ability to keep his feet on the floor & not go for head fakes or anything else they threw at him. He created at least 4 steals that led to Royal scores & he saved his best for last when Shovlin tried his best shake & bake only to have James knock it away with 5 seconds left. The ball rolled away to the corner in a period of time that felt like an eternity where Walters then picked it up & passed it to Kable who was just too far away & the shot falls short. Horn sounds, Scranton team goes nuts, fans rush the court, Wilkes kids lying on the floor in disbelief as to just what took place in the final 3 minutes & Canio Cianci jumps the highest he ever has in his life off the Royal bench. James Powell...if not MVP, certainly MVD...no celebration without his contribution of relentless D.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 26, 2006, 06:17:39 PM
Still just here in disbelief...

I just keep re-living moments from the game, wondering how Wilkes could have been able to squeak 1 or 2 more points out of the game.  If Walters doesn't take that bump, does 52 (Kreuter? Lumpy?) score those 3 lay-ups?  Was Shovlin fouled with 5 seconds left? You'd be hard pressed to tell me that with 3 guys going for a ball, no one grabbed an arm.  Sure, Wilkes missed some free throws, but Scranton missed some, too.

After all the thinking, I'm just haunted by the images of the dejected Colonel Seniors.  All 5 of them, either sobbing, or close to it - after giving it absolutely everything they had for 40 minutes.  Playing in a hostile environment (more on THAT in a bit), against the #1 seed, losing Shovlin to foul trouble, temporarily losing Evan to an injury... after all that, this team was 2 points away from cutting nets down.  What an effort by that team.

Now, on to the Scranton student section.  What a bunch of no-class, ignorant "fans."  Wilkes's cheerleaders come out, Scranton fans boo and turn their back.  You just don't do that.  They yell about Shovlin's sister, mother, great-aunt - fellas, if King's fans couldn't rattle him, you've got no chance.  Down by 10, these fans start chanting "SAT Scores!"  From the same fans who clearly used their 800 Verbal to come up with a creative "Bull----" chant, on a legit call, with 10 ticks remaining.  And really, once Al Callejas represents your University, you give up all academic credibility.  The one highlight was the drunk guy in the Bill Cosby-ish sweater - he was alright.  Everyone else was a nincompoop. 

To Scranton's team - good luck in the NCAAs.
To Wilkes's Seniors - a sincere Thank You for 4 solid years.  Though some may knock the resume, these guys did play in 2 MAC-F title games.  Be proud.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on February 26, 2006, 06:27:29 PM
CJ-


Sounds like a regular student section to me.

You lose all credibility when you point to your idol who wore a t-shirt implying that Scranton Fans should suck his...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 26, 2006, 08:11:00 PM
CJ,
Wasn't it you that wanted to purchase the beer outfit from a DeSales student and wear it when Wilkes played King's, minus Nenstiel?
Instead, you wore a different attire when Wilkes played Scranton, minus McGowan, Hawk and Clabby.
And you really don't want to pit the University of Scranton against Open Admissions University on an academic level, do you?
Also try to refrain from calling out former Scranton players. (Section J Guy perhaps), who by the way, is my best friend's NEPHEW!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 26, 2006, 11:43:02 PM
Let it out CJ, Let it out...

We've all experienced those kinds of losses.  I can't recall any in terms of A King's loss of that magnitude.  But I remember watching Game 7 of the 2001 WS with my Dad, ready to celebrate a Yankee four-peat, only to sit there silently after Luis Gonzalez's bloop single.

As for Scranton accademics, more than a few of their students they're better than you and I.  At least I have been told that personally by one of their students (said student really believes that Scranton should join the Ivy League).  This isn't an indictment on you Saratoga, just a previous experience of mine.   That said its tough to imagine Scranton's student section was tougher than King's on Valentine's Day. 

-Leo
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 27, 2006, 07:39:34 AM
Guy, SJ - Point taken. :)  My larger point is not one against well-placed vulgarity.  Frankly, I encourage well-placed vulgarity.  My point is that Scranton fans, by bringing academics into it, imagine that every one of them is smarter than every one of us.  And then by chanting BS on a legit call, they dispose of all credibility.

Case - If Callejas reads the board under an assumed name, I apologize to him.  He played 4 more varsity seasons than I ever will.  And, my point here is, when a player screws up, a student section has all the right in the world to bring it up.  If fans want to throw Olive Garden receipts instead of olive branches, then certainly the opposition is allowed to dress up in beer can costumes.  Allowed to, and encouraged to.

Leo - Yeah, THAT was the feeling.  Identical.

T minus 1 more hour until we find out who / where Scranton plays...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 27, 2006, 09:36:43 AM
Scranton vs. William Paterson at Baruch.
Winner gets the Baruch / Villa Julie winner
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on February 27, 2006, 10:26:58 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on February 27, 2006, 09:36:43 AM
Scranton vs. William Paterson at Baruch.
Winner gets the Baruch / Villa Julie winner

Scranton WPU should be a great game, I hope I am able to make it.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 27, 2006, 10:28:07 AM
What do we know about William Patterson?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on February 27, 2006, 10:32:19 AM
William Paterson, only one t, plays in your face man to man pressure for the whole game, they will get on the ball as it is inbounded and stay on it.  They don't have the greatest offense but the defense compensates.  They are similar to the other NJAC teams in makeup, they are athletic, can run with anybody, aggressive and physical.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 27, 2006, 11:12:06 AM
Sounds like the Scranton/Patterson game will end up 33-32?
The old Patterson teams I remember with Clinton Wheeler and company just ran and ran and ran. How times have changed.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 27, 2006, 11:16:25 AM
Sounds like Randy Arnold will get a bit of a test, huh?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on February 27, 2006, 11:32:25 AM
Quote from: cold_case on February 27, 2006, 11:12:06 AM
Sounds like the Scranton/Patterson game will end up 33-32?
The old Patterson teams I remember with Clinton Wheeler and company just ran and ran and ran. How times have changed.

Coach Rembibas of William Paterson played for Seton Hall when they went to the final four in 89, he worked as a grad assistant to PJ Carlesimo and was raised in the defensive, big east style of play.  It is just good old fashioned east coast basketball.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 27, 2006, 11:34:00 AM
knightstalker, how can I put up a photo like the one you have of Ted Knight?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on February 27, 2006, 11:55:51 AM
You have to go to your profile, modify the content and link a pic in your signature line.  There are instructions how to do this in the help link.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 27, 2006, 01:45:22 PM
6PM tip-off on Friday in NYC.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on February 27, 2006, 02:15:18 PM
Baruch is fairly easy to get to.  For you NEPA people take 80 east to 95/NJTPK.  Drive to Weehawken, or to Liberty State Park in Jersey City.  From Weehawken you can take a ferry across to Manhattan, or take the Light Rail to Hoboken or Pavonia and take the PATH to 23rd street and walk up to Lexington Ave.  From Liberty state park take the Light Rail to Pavonia or Hoboken and then the same.  The Baruch website has links to NJ Transit, the MTA/Subway and the PATH.  I would recommend parking in NJ and taking public transit over.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 27, 2006, 02:25:30 PM
You mean you can't get there by car?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on February 27, 2006, 02:34:07 PM
If you want to risk on the street parking and pay the meter or pay a fortune to park in a lot, sure go ahead.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on February 27, 2006, 02:34:20 PM
 ECAC Selections  (http://www.ecac.org/feature/feature.asp?id=2816)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 27, 2006, 02:48:20 PM
That's what I like about the NCAA, always thinking of the paying fans.
Baruch is far from a central location and shouldn't be hosting since they got knocked out in their own tournament.
Either Patterson or Scranton, both league champs and their campuses are easier to get to, should be the host school.
At least we get to see Rembibas stand on the court the entire time and complain about every call that goes against his team.
Stalker, are you sure he went to The Hall and not Wilkes. :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on February 27, 2006, 03:05:45 PM
You ever watch PJ coach?  Jose had a good teacher, he can be a whiner but he is a good coach.  When he starts whining too much we like to shout, Sit Down Tony Montana!  He loves that.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2006, 04:19:44 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 27, 2006, 02:48:20 PM
That's what I like about the NCAA, always thinking of the paying fans.
Baruch is far from a central location and shouldn't be hosting since they got knocked out in their own tournament.
Either Patterson or Scranton, both league champs and their campuses are easier to get to, should be the host school.

Baruch is still the higher seed. What do you mean, not thinking of the paying fans? Don't Baruch's fans merit any consideration? The CUNYAC hasn't hosted a multi-team event like this in years. I think they can have a turn.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 27, 2006, 04:25:20 PM
Are we thinking of Baruch fans? What about fans of the other three schools?
Besides, right now my main concern is trying to figure out how to put up a photo on here. I'm working on it.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 27, 2006, 04:26:32 PM
What was Baruch's seed? I am curious how they come in higher than Scranton and/or WP?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on February 27, 2006, 04:33:35 PM
Baruch has been the top ranked team in the Atlantic in every regional poll this season.  They have had a exceptional season with some quality wins, including a big win over William Paterson.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bziadie on February 27, 2006, 04:54:56 PM
Knightstalker,

Baruch has an early-season come-from-behind 81-77 home win over a King's team that was without an injured Soboleski and a not-yet-enrolled Nenstiel.  The Monarchs were no where near as competitive at that time as they were later in the season. I can't take that team, too seriously.......
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on February 27, 2006, 05:08:45 PM
Baruchs two big wins are against SUNY-Farmingdale and WPU, the WPU win coming in the end of January so I think that it is a significant win.  Of the four schools in that bracket they have had the best season and deserve to host.  So are you  headed to NYC for the games Bob?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 27, 2006, 05:12:20 PM
I'm really surprised the selection committee doesn't have Ursinus traveling to SUNY Farmingdale...heck, they probably haven't hosted anything recently either...oh,wait...they hosted their Skyline championships in front of a whopping 425 people on Sat. Give them credit...they got that one right. I may need to place a call to John Rocker for his assesment of Baruch & the local sights.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on February 27, 2006, 07:23:37 PM
So a team that was ranked sixth or seventh in the last public regional rankings should host over a team that was the top ranked team in their region in every ranking?  This is also a team that beat the team that was probably the second selection as host in William Paterson.  It is not like it is an undoable drive, NYC is only about 90 minutes from Scranton.  William Paterson would have been almost as far.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 27, 2006, 08:55:13 PM
You'll love Baruch Saratoga, its in the heart of NYC.  In fact you have to pass the Empire State Building and MSG just to get there.  By the way, Baruch may be able to beat the team that plays at MSG.

-Leo
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 27, 2006, 09:46:19 PM
Leo: When we head into the city, I tend to go right by the Port Authority up to 6th.Ave., hang a left & go down to RadioCity (50th.) make a right & go straight to a rather nice old place on 49th. & Park. The atmosphere downstairs at the Bull & Bear is terrific. Chances are we won't be going this weekend...but, I'll be there next week for a few days while the Big East games are going on.  If I told my wife there was a great sale going on at Sak's she'd have us packed in a minute...a game at Baruch...not a bloody chance. Looks like Lady Royals this weekend.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on February 27, 2006, 09:58:33 PM
What no party bus?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 27, 2006, 10:12:50 PM
I think every bus, mini-bus & oxen-cart within 50 miles of Scranton has been booked for a trip to Syracuse this weekend.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 27, 2006, 10:26:15 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 27, 2006, 04:25:20 PM
Are we thinking of Baruch fans? What about fans of the other three schools?
Besides, right now my main concern is trying to figure out how to put up a photo on here. I'm working on it.

CC,

Sounds like this scheduling is inconveniencing you...lol

Remember what
Chesterston once said,

"An inconvenience is only an adventure wrongly considered; an adventure is an inconvenience rightly considered.- Gilbert Keith Chesterton (1874-1936)"


I think he said that before I hung up the first peach.

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: patcummings on February 28, 2006, 06:38:57 AM
If you can't make it to Baruch, or choose not to pay the outrageous tolls/parking...

NCAASports.com in conjunction with D3hoops.com will provide live audio of all games in the Baruch pod this weekend.  Yours truly on the call with Jody King, ass't men's coach at Yeshiva.  Links will be posted shortly.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 28, 2006, 09:26:15 AM
Nais,
Where you been? Rivalry week is over so I've lost interest.
I wasn't going to the games, even if they were in Scranton. I got a major fantasy baseball draft Friday night with the winner netting $2G's. Serious stuff. The people in this league would trade their own mother for that one key player that gets them over the top.
What do you think of Ralphie down below. Pat C put him up for me since I'm not tech savvy.
You should request one.
And this Pat Cummings that just came on board. Are you the same Pat Cummings that was All-American at Cincinnati and later applied his wares with the Knicks?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 28, 2006, 09:46:46 AM
I am going to stick with the voice of the Royals, Dean Corwin on 99.5 WUSR.  ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: patcummings on February 28, 2006, 10:46:30 AM
Fair enough...looked forward to meeting Dean after he kept those scores coming to me this weekend.  I've heard Dean over the past few years - always a solid job.  But if you want to hear the second game (Baruch/Villa Julie) - we'll be calling that one too.

No...not the same Pat Cummings...in several ways too...

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 28, 2006, 11:05:29 AM
Quote from: patcummings on February 28, 2006, 10:46:30 AM
Fair enough...looked forward to meeting Dean after he kept those scores coming to me this weekend.  I've heard Dean over the past few years - always a solid job.  But if you want to hear the second game (Baruch/Villa Julie) - we'll be calling that one too.

No...not the same Pat Cummings...in several ways too...



Just messing around Pat , I am sure you do a stand up job.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bziadie on February 28, 2006, 11:47:47 AM
Knightstalker:

If Scranton gets by Paterson, they are coming out of the weekend with two wins. Villa Julie? Didn't they just get beat by Keystone in the Northeast Athletic Conference final on Saturday?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 28, 2006, 03:24:42 PM
Just when you thought you heard it all comes this piece of news in the form of a press release from MAC Headquarters.
The release states that the conference office had an oversight and Scranton's Carl Danzig should be added as Freedom League Co-Coach of the Year, along with Lycoming's Don Friday.
Any thoughts?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 28, 2006, 03:50:14 PM
First, I'd love to see the release...& if it's the real deal then either 1 of 2 things happened...a.) someone who placed a non-Danzig vote is thinking more clearly AFTER the battles have ended & contacted the appropriate sources or 2.) Someone at MAC HQ can't count to eight (8). It took 2 weeks to come up with this one???????
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 28, 2006, 03:53:13 PM
By the way C.C., the "Ralphie" & his BBgun is classic!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 28, 2006, 04:03:11 PM
http://www.lvc.edu/mac/basketball/mpostseason.html


Scroll to the bottom. No wonder Scranton wants out of the MAC.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 28, 2006, 04:08:15 PM
Thanks 'toga, I knew you'd like it. You should get one. ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on February 28, 2006, 04:46:21 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 28, 2006, 04:03:11 PM
http://www.lvc.edu/mac/basketball/mpostseason.html


Scroll to the bottom. No wonder Scranton wants out of the MAC.

On the other hand, perhaps someone in the MAC made an honest mistake.

And even if not, why should this make Scranton want "out of the MAC"? Reasons for defecting ought be more substantial, I'd think, than a perceived slight.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 28, 2006, 05:09:22 PM
Vox populi.

That's what forums are all about.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 28, 2006, 05:09:39 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on February 28, 2006, 04:46:21 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 28, 2006, 04:03:11 PM
http://www.lvc.edu/mac/basketball/mpostseason.html


Scroll to the bottom. No wonder Scranton wants out of the MAC.

On the other hand, perhaps someone in the MAC made an honest mistake.

And even if not, why should this make Scranton want "out of the MAC"? Reasons for defecting ought be more substantial, I'd think, than a perceived slight.

An honest mistake? If that is the case, it was a very stupid "honest mistake"  See Saratoga's comments above. In fact , co-coach of the year is a joke, but we won't get back into that.Scranton wanting out was kind of tongue in check with all the rumors on this board over the course of the year.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on February 28, 2006, 05:21:04 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 28, 2006, 05:09:39 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on February 28, 2006, 04:46:21 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 28, 2006, 04:03:11 PM
http://www.lvc.edu/mac/basketball/mpostseason.html


Scroll to the bottom. No wonder Scranton wants out of the MAC.

On the other hand, perhaps someone in the MAC made an honest mistake.

And even if not, why should this make Scranton want "out of the MAC"? Reasons for defecting ought be more substantial, I'd think, than a perceived slight.

An honest mistake? If that is the case, it was a very stupid "honest mistake"  See Saratoga's comments above. In fact , co-coach of the year is a joke, but we won't get back into that.Scranton wanting out was kind of tongue in check with all the rumors on this board over the course of the year.

A "very stupid 'honest mistake'"? Perhaps.

But why say that a "co-coach of the year is a joke"? If it is, then perhaps a mere "coach of the year" is also a joke.

BTW there's an ancient Chinese maxim, just discovered this afternoon at approximately 5.13 pm EST: "Take care that tongue-in-cheek comment does not become a very painful tongue-through-cheek situation."  ;)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 28, 2006, 05:43:33 PM
Warren "Oates" Thompson,
Is it possible the MAC was left with egg on their face by their own coaches after Scranton won the Freedom tourney, therefore they covered their own embarrassment but saying it was an oversight?
I mean, their offices are at LVC, you're from LVC, you read this board faithfully so you read all the rumblings that took place on here last week when Danzig wasn't named. Why didn't you ask someone at the MAC office about it?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm! ::)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 28, 2006, 06:10:48 PM
Pretty unbelievable how the ol' MAC snuck that in. Thanks for sharing the "official" word from MAC HQ NEPAFAN. Now if they could only get the kids hometowns correct...last time I checked Scalzo of Kings was a local kid from that area not Philly...Constantine of Wilkes is from BINGHAMTON...not Binghampton, I suppose the powers to be felt this city is probably out on Long Island somewhere where all those little towns have "P's" in their names & Musser of Lyco would be from MiffLINburg not MiffLINGburg. Other than that...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 28, 2006, 06:40:06 PM
QuoteScroll to the bottom. No wonder Scranton wants out of the MAC.

According to Dean Corwin everyone and their mother wants out of the MAC.  At halftime Saturday, he was talking about all the teams that wanted out.  Lyco wants out because of Football, FDU may want out because of the Drew rivalry (no mention of Scranton though).   At this rate the 2007 MAC Freedom League will be a round robin between King's, Wilkes and DeSales. 

-Leo
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on February 28, 2006, 07:00:30 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 28, 2006, 05:43:33 PM

Is it possible the MAC was left with egg on their face by their own coaches after Scranton won the Freedom tourney, therefore they covered their own embarrassment but saying it was an oversight?
I mean, their offices are at LVC, you're from LVC, you read this board faithfully so you read all the rumblings that took place on here last week when Danzig wasn't named. Why didn't you ask someone at the MAC office about it?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm! ::)

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm! Actually, this "co-coaches of the year" thing is a clear conspiracy machinated by one or more of the following:

A. The Bilderbergers

B. The Tri-Lateral Commission

C. The Illuminati

D. The Thule Association

E. Die Artamanen Bund

F. The Knights Templar

G. The Rosicrucians

H. Lebanon Valley College

I. Greg Sager

J. diehardfan

K. Coach Rickrode

L. Andy Panko

M. Adam Burdett

N. Matt Burdett

O. Adam Burdett's pet cat

P. College of Charleston transfer (per Adam Burdett's reminder)

Q. OTHER

Finally, why didn't I ask someone at the MAC office about it? Simple answer: it's not that important in the grand scheme of things -- and who cares?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: adam on February 28, 2006, 07:34:56 PM
O.  Adam Burdett's pet cat?????

Thanks Warren, but Scratch is not clever enough to hatch a scheme such as this.  Poor thing scares the hell out of himself every time his tail runs into something.
But I am disappointed that there was no mention of the College of Charleston transfer.  I figured he may have found his way to Annville only to give support to the Friday Foundation of Williamsport.  We all know his sense of direction is askew at best.
Hope all is well in Annville.  The wife and I were at Fuddrucker's Sunday afternoon.  We'll be rolling through on March 26th.  Let me know if you're around.  We can always meet up at Napoli.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on February 28, 2006, 07:56:10 PM
Quote from: adam on February 28, 2006, 07:34:56 PM
But I am disappointed that there was no mention of the College of Charleston transfer.  I figured he may have found his way to Annville only to give support to the Friday Foundation of Williamsport.  We all know his sense of direction is askew at best.

Adam, see my amended list above. How could I have neglected the famed C of C transfer franchise-saver, even though he never found Rickrode's office on the Wilkes campus?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ronk on February 28, 2006, 09:21:09 PM
cc,
    ralphie's dad in the movie(darren mcgavin) just died the other day.

I think your pat cummings played at altoona about the same time joe montana was playing for ringgold high school.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on February 28, 2006, 09:49:29 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 28, 2006, 09:21:09 PM
cc,
    ralphie's dad in the movie(darren mcgavin) just died the other day.

I think your pat cummings played at altoona about the same time joe montana was playing for ringgold high school.

Kolchack the Nightstalker died?  I hadn't heard that one, he was the inspiration for my name.  Darren McGavin, Dennis Weaver and one of my all time favorites Don Knotts, aka Barney Fife.  I loved Barney Fife, I used to call the show Barney not the Andy Griffith Show.

Warren, you left the Stonecutters off your list of conspirators.  "Who keeps the metric system down, who left Danzig off the list?  We do, we do"
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on March 01, 2006, 08:44:07 AM
Someone's been reading the DaVinci Code.  Warren, I'll add one more to the list - the KGB.  I don't care if the Soviet Union no longer exists, these guys still do conspiracies.  Just ask Teddy KGB himself...

CC, thanks to your picture, I'm getting called out by a four-eyed 8 year old.  Eh, beats getting called by a former Wilkes center... right,  Ned Flanders??

Co-Coaches of the year.  Great concept.  Can we have co-Freedom Champs, too?  (Crowned retroactively, of course...)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on March 01, 2006, 08:54:56 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on March 01, 2006, 08:44:07 AM

Just ask Teddy KGB himself...


Teddy WHO?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 01, 2006, 12:48:46 PM
Stalker posted this somewhere else


More useless tournament trivia:

Most tournament appearances and records through last season.

1.   Wittenberg, 23 appearances 42-23
2.   F&M, 19 appearances 32-23
3.   Scranton, 19 appearances 32-19
4.   Salem State, 19 appearances 19-20
5.   IWU, 17 appearances 34-17
6.   Hope, 16 appearances 17-18
7.   Calvin, 15 appearances 28-16
8.   CNU, 15 appearances 10-16
9.   Clark MA, 15 appearances 26-15
10.   NJCU, 15 appearances 17-18
11.   Potsdam State, 15 appearances 36-13
12.   Wooster, 14 appearances 12-14
13.   Neb. Wes. 14 appearances 24-16
14.   Roanoke, 13 appearances 13-15
Six tied with 12 appearances.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on March 01, 2006, 01:17:53 PM
NEPA,
That's an interesting post. I know Scranton played at F&M at least five times in the NCAA's while F&M visited Scranton once.
That was the old days when the first two rounds were played at one site, then the quarterfinals were played the following week, before the Final Four.
I remember interviewing a member of the Mid-Atlantic committee back in 1987 the day after the NCAA pairings were announced. I asked him how Scranton and Widener both won their respective sections of the MAC, both won their respective tournaments, and were the only MAC schools ranked in the top 15, so why were they playing each other in the first round, while at-large schools F&M and Allegheny played in the other game.
His answer was unusual. "The people in Scranton think they have to host every year. That's not the case."
It was odd since (God as my witness), I never questioned the site and I never got the answer to my question.
Kooky!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 01, 2006, 01:40:15 PM
With this years' appearance Scranton is 2 all time with 20 moving ahea of F and M.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: royalsfaninwisconsin on March 01, 2006, 05:57:02 PM
Obviously, I don't get to see any MAC games anymore since I'm out here in the Midwest, but I was surprised to see Scranton at 21-6 this year.  How would you guys compare them to Scranton teams of the past, and do they have a legitimate shot at making some "noise" in the tournament?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on March 01, 2006, 07:21:26 PM
RoyalFan: They sure as heck play with heart. They suffered a ton of injuries all season & kept playing through it...so they are battle-tested. The NCAA's are a funny beast though...sometimes you pencil yourself in for the championship round & you don't get out of your first region...other schools get a break along the way by having a team they don't even come close to matching up with get upset & then they handle that winner. I think alot also depends on where the refs are from...does the NCAA open up their wallets & move some really good people around that have no ties or affiliations with certain leagues or regions or is it the good old boys calling the game for the hometown crowd? The Royals can sneak up & get the job done against any one of the 3 teams in this region, no question about it. They have an excellent point guard, good perimiter shooting, an inside presence & they play serious D. They should be in any of these games as long as their point does not get into foul trouble...if he sits for any appreciable lenghth of time, the team stalls & the deficit grows. A very young team getting valuable experience on the National level...and, that's a good thing. The big thing the coaching staff must do is preach that it's not just about "getting here", that they have a very real chance to come out of the Big Apple with 2 victories & a chance to roll the dice again next weekend. Thanks for checking in.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on March 01, 2006, 09:30:41 PM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on March 01, 2006, 08:44:07 AM


CC, thanks to your picture, I'm getting called out by a four-eyed 8 year old.  Eh, beats getting called by a former Wilkes center... right,  Ned Flanders??


CJ you have a mind like a steel trap. Good memory.

Good post Saratoga. If I could give Karma I would..
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: royalsfaninwisconsin on March 01, 2006, 10:25:40 PM
Thanks for the info Saratoga.  I hope the Royals can make a strong showing!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on March 01, 2006, 10:43:44 PM
CC,

Heading to Bucknell Friday for a doubleheader with a bunch of graybeards.

Maybe some ECAC action at Keystone....
Where are you heading?  Lady Royals?

Anyway, starting to think about baseball and football. (Phils and Yanks tomorrow)

I was listening to that Mike and Mike show and they were doing one of those 'all time great'
type of things.
Of course, when it came to quarterbacks, they have no reference points as to the great ones of an earlier era.
Like how could you not consider Otto Graham? After all he is the greatest ...right?
Played 10 years and won the division or league crown every single year.
52-4-3 in the All American football conference 1946-50. 4 championships.

Browns won 3 championships in his 6 years with that NFL club.

How could they have named Unitas and not Otto?

Naismith aka Walter Camp
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on March 01, 2006, 11:15:09 PM
"It was like being in the huddle with God."........Hall of Fame tight end John Mackey on what it was like to play with Johnny Unitas."

'nuff said.

We're open next weekend. Let me know. If you want to take the ladies, fine. If not, cool.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: nedflanders on March 02, 2006, 02:51:04 AM
Hidlly Hodilly Posterinos.

This is the Flandersman reporting in from his world wide recruiting tour for da U. Currently in Deutchland Uber Alles and found an 8 foot tall center with a skyhook named Lars. Unfortunately he has already gave his verbal to the College of Charleston. Maybe Wilkes will steal him as a senior transfer.

Any who, how bout dem Royals. Kevin Courtney and Mike Reno must have been crying like babies when they heard the Wilkes/Scranton game close out. I was listening on my USR online streaming radio. Ok, not really. But I'm glad to see the Royals play like that, I only wish that I could have been there with the Swami and Section J Guy drinking some purple Margaritas.

Ok, next is Latvia after Germany. I hear there is a kid who can jump and put the ball through the hoop at the same time. In Latvia they call it a "slam dunk". I think it will revolutionize the game.

CJ: I would never be as insulted as being called Boncheski.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on March 02, 2006, 04:40:48 AM
So, was Swami the guy that had his megaphone taken away?  Was Guy, SJ the one wearing his grandmother's sweater??  Or were they among the nameless rabble wearing free purple t-shirts?

One of these days I'll have to regale alll of you with the true story of the College of Charleston transfer.  He does exist, but he's not 6'8"...

Kevin Courtney - that's a name I haven't heard in some time.  If O'Donnell stayed on as a coach, you think he could bring his cousin back??

Cold Case, Unitas as best ever?  Sorry, he beat my Giants in the Greatest Game Ever (TM) in 1958.  He's out.  Why, how many Super Bowls did Johnny U ever win?  Exactly - one less than Phil Simms. ;D (Just kidding, if I had a vote, he gets mine.  Rice - best player ever, Unitas - best QB ever.)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on March 02, 2006, 07:00:57 AM
Wait a minute, hold on here. You're embarking on sacred ground when you compare The Man, The Myth, The Legend against any other QB.
By the way, you forgot to mention the Colts 1959 NFL Championship blowout of the G-Men as well.
The super bowl didn't come along until Johnny U. was 32. He did manage to get his team to Super Bowl V before leaving the game with a torn ACL which I still say was a cheap shot by former Marquette product, George Andre. Even without TM, TM, TL, the Colts did beat the Cowboys.
Remember, there wasn't much greed with over-expansion in back then so the rosters weren't severly watered down like today.
I will say that Columbia's Sid Luckman does compare to Johnny U, but just a little.
Ever notice Naismith is the one that always starts controversy? ::)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: adam on March 02, 2006, 08:41:55 AM
Can we please make it a point to never mention the name, "Phil Boncheski" again?  The only time I ever wan to see his name here is if I bring back another season of Freedom League Survivor.
By the way, does anyone remember the two winners of Freedom Survivor.  I remember one, but the 2nd escapes me.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on March 02, 2006, 06:19:56 PM
Quote from: cold_case on March 02, 2006, 07:00:57 AM
Wait a minute, hold on here. You're embarking on sacred ground when you compare The Man, The Myth, The Legend against any other QB.
By the way, you forgot to mention the Colts 1959 NFL Championship blowout of the G-Men as well.
The super bowl didn't come along until Johnny U. was 32. He did manage to get his team to Super Bowl V before leaving the game with a torn ACL which I still say was a cheap shot by former Marquette product, George Andre. Even without TM, TM, TL, the Colts did beat the Cowboys.
Remember, there wasn't much greed with over-expansion in back then so the rosters weren't severly watered down like today.
I will say that Columbia's Sid Luckman does compare to Johnny U, but just a little.
Ever notice Naismith is the one that always starts controversy? ::)

There's no controversy.

Colt Johnny U
Was among the Few
Cowboy Staubach
Might be there too

Niner  Joe Montana 
Is no Second Banana
And Denver's Elway
Might Have some Say
 
Patriot Tom Brady
Just Might be First Lady
While Dolphin Dan
Surely He Can

If Winning Be the Key
Then Even a Blind Man Can See
Ten Years and
Ten Banners
Leave All Others
In Tatters

Cleveland's Own Otto Graham
Undoubtedly the Man
A Quarterback Supreme
For Johnny U Just a Dream.

Naismith aka Walter Camp

CJ,
Jerry Rice...greatest ever???? Catching 5 yard slants run off illegal picks for 15 years...please....the man cannot dance...

The greatest player by far was Jimmy Brown. No one close.......He had it all.....power, strength, speed, durability, quickness and vision.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on March 02, 2006, 07:13:53 PM
Nais,
Graham sure put up impressive numbers during his four years in the AAFC against the likes of the Buffalo Bisons, Chicago Rockets, Los Angeles Dons, Miami Seahawks, New York/Brooklyn Yankees, etc. What, no Honey Pot Ramblers?
That league was like the old ABA. When the league folded, the Baltimore Colts, SF 49ers and Browns were all that was left when they joined the NFL.
In essence, the AAFC was equivalent of Arena Football.
I agree the Browns had a high success rate once they joined in the NFL, but Graham's performace in the real league was less than stellar -- it actually seemed like Cleveland won despite him.
In the AAFC, Graham had a passer rating of 99.1, while throwing 85 TD's and 41 INT's.
During his six-years in the NFL, which wasn't exactly a reign of terror, Otto passed for 88 touchdowns, but threw an eye-popping 94 interceptions and had a passer rating of 78.2.
Comparing Graham to Johnny Unitas is like comparing pizza from Nanticoke to pizza from Old Forge. Just can't justify it.
Your serve!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on March 03, 2006, 01:28:50 AM
Nais,
5 yard slants?  That's all you think he could do?  This is why we call you Naismith and not Tagliabue!! ::)  The guy at his peak broke every single record available to wide receivers.  Recently, the idea of the "possession receiver" has given a new single-season reception record.  But, guys like Marvin Harrison are nowhere near Rice's career stats.

Define greatness for me.  Is it statistics?  He has more receptions, yards, and TDs than anyone who has ever caught a ball.  Is it titles?  He has 4 of those.  Is it "being clutch"?  He also has a Super Bowl MVP - one of only 5 receivers to claim one, and no one has 2.

Jim Brown - best 2 sport athlete, sure.  Best pure football player ever?  If they stopped playing football in 1966... MAYBE! ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: oiler on March 03, 2006, 08:20:27 AM
1st Round NCAA Tournament

Scranton vs. William Paterson
at Baruch College, NYC

6pm

www.scranton.edu/wusr
www.scranton.edu/athletics

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 03, 2006, 10:31:06 AM
So is Scranton 1 and done or what?


I like them in (what else?) a close one.


Scranton 63 WP 61

Three pointer by Kirk, Cannon, Arnold (pick one) wins it.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on March 03, 2006, 11:19:32 AM
I might go about ten points lower for both teams with WPU's defense.

CJ4L, Jim Brown averaged a hundred yards a game for his entire career, no other running back did it before or since.  He walked away at the peak of his game just as Barry Sanders did.  Jerry Rice is the greatest receiver ever, but lay him out a couple of times in a game and his arms got a little shorter.  Jim Brown usually delievered the hit and then got slowly up and walked back to the huddle and came out and did it again.  Jim Brown would still be considered a big back today, he was as big as most linebackers are now if not bigger.  Sorry but Jim Brown is hands down the best football player ever, for any generation.  Watch some films someday of him, try to find some episodes of the Violent World of Sam Huff when the Giants played the Browns.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on March 03, 2006, 11:55:46 AM
knightstalker,
Patterson this, Patterson that. Baruch with a BIG win over Patterson during the season.
If that's the case, Scranton and Villa Julie shouldn't bother showing up, they're going to get rolled. In fact, with the location of the tourney, fans may get rolled.
You have Patterson made out to be the greatest thing since sliced bread. Is it great defense or lack of offense, as you said in a prior post?
I remember Scranton playing AT Patterson in the 2000 NCAA's and they never even looked at the basket until 10 seconds were left on the shot clock each trip down the floor.
I also noticed the two Mid-Atlantic Region schools are seeded third and fourth and the tourney is being played at the site of an Atlantic team again. All setup for an Atlantic Final?
Maybe Scranton can knock off Patterson, just like King's took care of a vastly overrated NJAC team in Ramapo a year ago. At Ramapo, of course
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on March 03, 2006, 01:18:37 PM
CC take a xanex and chill.  With the way PATERSON, note the one T, plays I merely stated that someones predicted total may be ten points lower.  Not Paterson this, Paterson that.  I also recall people asking about William Paterson.  I see them play at least twice a season, I merely provided my observations.  If you chose to be thin skinned about what I post please do not read any further posts from me.  You really need to stop breathing so much coal dust.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on March 03, 2006, 01:46:31 PM
And I thought the Ramapo remark would rile you up.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 03, 2006, 01:49:59 PM
Quote from: cold_case on March 03, 2006, 01:46:31 PM
And I thought the Ramapo remark would rile you up.


I thought the coal dust comment would rile you up!

Scranton 53
William PATTERSON 51
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on March 03, 2006, 02:18:05 PM
You have to understand, I went to NJCU and am a Gothic Knight fan.  My first connection to D-III basketball came in the fall of 1975 when my brother was a freshman at the U of S and his room mate was a 6'9 or so drunken center from Long Island named Donald something or other, he drank himself out of school in two years.  But my brother would take me to games when I would visit on weekends.  I believe this is the year that Scranton won it's first title.  My brother then transferred due to financial concerns to William Paterson College and I would continue to go to games when visiting him there.  I actually root for Scranton when the NJAC teams are out of it.  I also follow the MAC loosely because several friends and now their kids have gone on to MAC schools to play football, basketball, baseball or wrestle.

I really don't know much about Scranton, I was unable to see the first game of the season when they defeated NJCU, but I would never go by that game now anyway.

Besides, I HATE Ramapo, almost as much as I hate Rowan.  But when NJCU plays them they are usually great games.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on March 03, 2006, 02:27:10 PM
Quote from: knightstalker on March 03, 2006, 02:18:05 PM
My first connection to D-III basketball came in the fall of 1975 when my brother was a freshman at the U of S and his room mate was a 6'9 or so drunken center from Long Island named Donald something or other, he drank himself out of school in two years.

First of all, so much for a couple people thinking you were the Ramapo head coach.
Now, on to the fun. The 6-9 center you're talking about that dormed with your brother, Donald. There was a Donald from Long Island that played at Scranton named....drum roll please....Donald Agricola.
I don't know about his drinking habits which drank him out of school, but I do know he flunked himself out of school. Is this the same character?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on March 03, 2006, 02:30:28 PM
I believe it is, he flunked out because he was drunk all the time.  He thought it was like high school and all he had to do was attend class and he would pass.  He learned the hard way.

My brothers room mate at WPU was the opposite, he was a baseball player who was in the national guard and working three part time jobs to put himself through school and was on the dean list every semester.  I still think he did it with speed and caffeine.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on March 03, 2006, 02:31:48 PM
Quote from: cold_case on March 03, 2006, 02:27:10 PM
Quote from: knightstalker on March 03, 2006, 02:18:05 PM
My first connection to D-III basketball came in the fall of 1975 when my brother was a freshman at the U of S and his room mate was a 6'9 or so drunken center from Long Island named Donald something or other, he drank himself out of school in two years.

First of all, so much for a couple people thinking you were the Ramapo head coach.
Now, on to the fun. The 6-9 center you're talking about that dormed with your brother, Donald. There was a Donald from Long Island that played at Scranton named....drum roll please....Donald Agricola.
I don't know about his drinking habits which drank him out of school, but I do know he flunked himself out of school. Is this the same character?

Coach McBreen will post under his real name.  He usually posts after the season ends to thank his players and the fans for supporting them and will sometimes discuss the season after wards.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on March 03, 2006, 02:35:10 PM
Quote from: knightstalker on March 03, 2006, 02:30:28 PM
My brothers room mate at WPU was the opposite, he was a baseball player who was in the national guard and working three part time jobs to put himself through school and was on the dean list every semester.  I still think he did it with speed and caffeine.

Well, he certainly didn't get through it with xanax.
So you got to know Ag's, huh? Bessoir used to hollar at this guy all the time. He used to say he was the dumbest player he ever coached. He was kind of clumsy with long (kind of greasy hair) and glasses. Bessoir eventually started calling him "The Cyclops."
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 03, 2006, 02:38:10 PM
Was he really 6'9? Who is the tallest player to suit up for Scranton?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on March 03, 2006, 02:51:27 PM
My brother was 6'5" and Father Rock used to joke that he had over seven feet of boy in that room.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on March 03, 2006, 07:31:48 PM
WPU 67 Scranton 43 with about 2:49 left in the game.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on March 03, 2006, 07:44:39 PM
I'll post it, but at least they aren't one and out.  I was merely giving an update as no one else was giving them.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on March 03, 2006, 07:54:32 PM
But you can't win it if you go one and out.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on March 03, 2006, 08:02:41 PM
I think I better repeat this since you just don't get it.

"What good is getting to the national final if you don't win it?"
What he's saying is that if you don't win it all, then the season was useless.
Sounds like you are satisfied with just getting there, which says you're not used to winning and will be satisfied with anything.
It's also obvious you have a dislike for Scranton and other Freedom teams.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on March 03, 2006, 08:18:25 PM
No it is obvious that I was just giving scouting reports and giving a score and you seem to have a bug up your butt about people who don't agree with you.  I understood completely what you said, but you can't put that theory to test unless you get to the final game and you can not do that going one and out.  WPU still has a chance to win it all, Scranton does not this year.  It is not because I dislike Scranton it is just a fact.  No one else seems to have a problem with what I have posted, only you.  I think you need another xanex.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on March 03, 2006, 08:29:29 PM
Ummm, it's obvious you went to a NJAC college. It's spelled-- Xanax
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on March 03, 2006, 08:34:48 PM
You must keep your bottle next to the PC.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on March 03, 2006, 08:38:11 PM
Oh, there's one other thing that's obvious: It's obvious we're the only two people on here.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on March 03, 2006, 08:41:20 PM
everybody else is crying in a beer.  Me I am home alone enjoying the peace and quiet while the wife and kid are visiting a friend.  Now if the NJCU audio link would work and I could listen to the ECAC game from Stockton.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on March 03, 2006, 08:43:33 PM
I think ESPN2 is carrying it on tape delay at midnight. ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on March 03, 2006, 08:53:30 PM
NJCU wins and host the ECAC championship tomorrow.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: patcummings on March 03, 2006, 11:57:21 PM
Did that feel like a 1/16 game or what...

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on March 04, 2006, 05:44:16 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 03, 2006, 01:49:59 PM
Scranton 53
William PATTERSON 51

NEPAFAN, (1) There's STILL one T in Paterson, and (2) that prediction was only a little off.  And by "only a little", I mean "completely." ;D

My bitter Colonel blue blood still boils... we would have only lost by 20!!  Haah!  Come on, 45 points?  It's a 40 minute game...

CC - Thanks for jumping on that pharmaceutical correction.  I'll see your "Xanax" and raise you to "alprazolam."  ;)

Knight - Yup, you guys were the only two on.  But, at least for one night, we weren't discussing the merits of Jerry Rice...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on March 04, 2006, 05:54:33 AM
In other news, I had WPU in the Pick Em... and didn't get my 1 point!  What the F---!  Someone get on this! ???
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on March 04, 2006, 07:32:49 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on March 04, 2006, 05:44:16 AM
CC - Thanks for jumping on that pharmaceutical correction.  I'll see your "Xanax" and raise you to "alprazolam."  ;)

Aren't they one in the same, except the latter is much cheaper? 8)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on March 04, 2006, 09:08:24 AM
CC,

Hope you had fun last night.
Your misanthropian tendencies must have metamorphized from a veteran old CV oakster  that, in previous years, was usually found planted on Main Street Wilkes-Barre  Hour Glass.

Anyway, once you are done putting away your enigma machine and consulting with the Navajo codebreakers, why don't you go outside and get a breath of fresh air.

Our boy CJ needs to vary his diet from Xanax and fried RICE ...don't you think?

Didn't see a press release or anything on Scranton. Looks like WP is either very very good or DaU just didn't match up well....They are still the Freedom preseason pick for next year with Kings a very very close #2. Unless the Colonels can recruit some size, I see them struggling in 2006-07.

As stated, went to Lewisburg and, after a short stint with some Allenwood based stockbrokers, I headed over the Sjoka. Lo and behold, the building is named for another stockbroker...lol. 

American/Lafayette -------American is tall and they pretty much led wire to wire against a cold shooting Lafayette . Can't believe haw many foreign players dot these rosters!!  College ball in Europe must be non-existent...all the 'players' are in the US.

Bucknell/Army--------------Army hung tough for 35 minutes. As expected, they played physical and hard for all 40 minutes. They were in the Bisons' face all night and it was a subpar offensive effort or a great defensive effort...take your pick. Bisons do play excellent defense and are very quick. Badmus is fine point guard. McNaughton was a little slower live than I expected. 

Would expect American to give them a tussle tomorrow. They don't appear as physical as Army and that might be their undoing.

What a great facility. First time at the new gym.
Mattie would be proud.

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on March 04, 2006, 09:43:56 AM
Otto, err, excuse me, Nais,
Glad you had a good time in Lewisburg. Nice town. I was going to recommend you eat at the Country Cupboard but I suppose you dined at Hoss's in Shamokin Dam?
Wasn't a good night for the Royalites. Listened on radio and they certainly weren't up to the task. My buddy called me from Baruch with about four minutes left and said Paterson was the better team by far, but Scranton compounded matters by missing open looks all night.
It certainly sounded like a One-versus-16 matchup.
As Bessoir would say, "The kids came out with glaze in their eyes."
Whatever that means.
I did get a good laugh during a halftime interview on the Scranton radio station. Apparently, the guy said even though Baruch was upset in their conference tourney they got to host on the strength of their new 1,200 seat gym.
What?????????
Of course, it will be denied.
Scranton's announcer couldn't do his postgame report because the Baruch radio crew needed the phone line.
And this is a school that hosted based on the strength of their new 1,200 seat gym.
I always thought you had to have at least a 1,500 seat facility to host the NCAA's?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: patcummings on March 04, 2006, 10:28:06 AM
It doesn't need to be 1,500, I believe it is 1,000.

I was the one interviewed by Dean Corwin at halftime...Baruch got to host based on their higher seeding...but this is just their third year in this facility.  They used to play at a high school gym - when they definitely would not have hosted.

The ability to have a post-game show is not a requirement of hosting.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on March 04, 2006, 12:11:09 PM
Wow...a new facility at Baruch & it really seats 1,500...that's great...now if they could have only insisted on 2 phone lines in the design then it would really would have been complete.  Not that I expected the Royals to make it to the Sweet 16 this season given some of their more glaring limitations...but, a 25 point thumping to a good team...not a great team... on a neutral court is somewhat disappointing. Hopefully this experience will help the many returning kids prepare that much harder for next season & the staff at Scranton gain a little edge in recruiting the players it will take to win on the National level.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on March 04, 2006, 12:12:36 PM
The facility has two phone lines.  Scranton and NCAA Sports both broadcasted the game separately.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: patcummings on March 04, 2006, 12:12:50 PM
There are 2 phone lines...NCAASports.com (using D3hoops broadcasters) took up the other other line for both games.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on March 04, 2006, 12:43:53 PM
I think I'm seeing double. And I don't even drink. ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on March 04, 2006, 01:54:04 PM
It's the Xanax.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on March 07, 2006, 09:02:10 PM
It has taken me this long to get over the Scranton loss.




Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on March 07, 2006, 09:15:30 PM
Me too...more like the ambush at Baruch gulch.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on March 09, 2006, 08:05:45 AM
Congrats to local HS grad Chris Shovlin - Monmouth won a bid to the NCAA Tournament last night, and it's good to see a local point guard make the NCAAs, just in case McNamara's 'Cuse can't make it.

What's that you say?  Shovlin transferred? Oh.  :-\ Nevermind...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on March 11, 2006, 10:40:10 PM
NeverNeverMind???

CJ,

Is that near Never Never Land??
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: adam on March 12, 2006, 08:31:27 AM
If anyone was watching the Monmouth game, Monmouth had a center by the name of John Bunch at 7 foot 1.  He played for Lincoln as a freshman and sophomore.  He looked pretty good.  Nice to see a d3 transfer do well. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on March 12, 2006, 07:30:21 PM
Naismith,
More like Never, Never Mind Brutico's?

Adam got some airtime on TV yesterday, now he's looking to move into taking over for Mitch Miller's orchestra.

And, where is nightstalker?  The overrated NJAC has come up short yet again in its quest for that elusive national championship. If that conference couldn't win it with Trenton State and "Machine Gun" Grant, they never will.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on March 12, 2006, 08:57:33 PM
Think it burns shovlin that he could have been in the D 1 NCAAS?


Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on March 13, 2006, 10:17:30 AM
Quote from: cold_case on March 12, 2006, 07:30:21 PM
Naismith,
More like Never, Never Mind Brutico's?

Adam got some airtime on TV yesterday, now he's looking to move into taking over for Mitch Miller's orchestra.

And, where is nightstalker?  The overrated NJAC has come up short yet again in its quest for that elusive national championship. If that conference couldn't win it with Trenton State and "Machine Gun" Grant, they never will.

The over-rated NJAC took out both MAC champions in quite embarassing fashion if I recall.  I even recall reading a couple of posters saying it took them a few days to get over the thrashing that WPU gave Scranton.  WPU gave up an average of 46 points per game for four games, that is not an overrated team, that is a very good defensive team.  They unfortunately had to run into a team that plays defense as well as they do in VA Wesleyan.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on March 13, 2006, 10:24:07 AM
A MAC-F fan calling the NJAC overrated is like a Syracuse newspaper calling McNamara overrated...

That said, I can't wait to see John Bunch make some noise in the NCAA's.  Just a shame Monmouth got a 16 seed.  I was hoping they'd get stuck in the play-in game, y'know, give them a shot at an NCAA victory.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on March 13, 2006, 10:28:13 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on March 13, 2006, 10:24:07 AM

That said, I can't wait to see John Bunch make some noise in the NCAA's.  Just a shame Monmouth got a 16 seed.  I was hoping they'd get stuck in the play-in game, y'know, give them a shot at an NCAA victory.

I wonder if Bunch is somehow more mobile now that he's in D1. When I saw him v. LVC two years ago, he took up a great deal of room underneath and scored respectably ... but he just couldn't seem to run. (On the other hand, perhaps with a better supporting cast, he doesn't need to.)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on March 13, 2006, 10:31:37 AM
Bunch is no more mobile than he was a couple of years ago.  I have seen Monmouth twice this season on local cable and he is great in the half court but make him run and he is sitting fairly soon.  Hofstra got jobbed this year, they are a good team and would have been fun to watch, I guess it is time to watch the NIT this year.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 13, 2006, 10:35:00 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on March 13, 2006, 10:24:07 AM
A MAC-F fan calling the NJAC overrated is like a Syracuse newspaper calling McNamara overrated...

That said, I can't wait to see John Bunch make some noise in the NCAA's.  Just a shame Monmouth got a 16 seed.  I was hoping they'd get stuck in the play-in game, y'know, give them a shot at an NCAA victory.


Aren't they in the play in game?  Congrats to 9th seeded Bucknell.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on March 13, 2006, 10:37:34 AM
Monmouth plays Hampton in the play in game somtime tomorrow.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach C on March 13, 2006, 10:40:52 AM
7 pm ESPN tomorrow

C
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on March 13, 2006, 10:44:41 AM
Thanks Coach.  I will enjoy watching this game.  I have watched Monmouth this year and they are a Jersey team.  I also used to go to games at Hampton back when the school was still called the Hampton Institute.  They were always a fun team to watch, there is a lot of good basketball in that part of Virginia on all levels for both men and women.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on March 13, 2006, 11:14:51 AM
Hampton Institute? Didn't they have a player years back named Greg "Dunkin" Hines? Or was that Va. Union?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on March 13, 2006, 11:23:31 AM
Quote from: cold_case on March 12, 2006, 07:30:21 PM
Naismith,
More like Never, Never Mind Brutico's?

Adam got some airtime on TV yesterday, now he's looking to move into taking over for Mitch Miller's orchestra.

And, where is nightstalker?  The overrated NJAC has come up short yet again in its quest for that elusive national championship. If that conference couldn't win it with Trenton State and "Machine Gun" Grant, they never will.

See Rowan 96.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on March 13, 2006, 11:29:46 AM
Quote from: cold_case on March 13, 2006, 11:14:51 AM
Hampton Institute? Didn't they have a player years back named Greg "Dunkin" Hines? Or was that Va. Union?

Greg Hines was drafted in the fifth round of the 83 NBA draft out of Hampton Institute by Golden State.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on March 13, 2006, 01:42:36 PM
Quote from: cold_case on March 12, 2006, 07:30:21 PM
Naismith,
More like Never, Never Mind Brutico's?

Adam got some airtime on TV yesterday, now he's looking to move into taking over for Mitch Miller's orchestra.

And, where is nightstalker? The overrated NJAC has come up short yet again in its quest for that elusive national championship. If that conference couldn't win it with Trenton State and "Machine Gun" Grant, they never will.

Drop me an e-mail. Was in NJ 2 weekends ago and NYC this past one.  Mostly biz and no basketball. Would have loved to taken in a few of the Big Beast contests.
CJ tells me that Gerry Mac is applying to Wilkes and petitioning the NCAA for another 4 years....lol

Your veal T-Bone is still on order. Not sure of your work schedule...

Let me know.

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on March 13, 2006, 01:47:16 PM
Quote from: knightstalker on March 13, 2006, 10:17:30 AM
Quote from: cold_case on March 12, 2006, 07:30:21 PM
Naismith,
More like Never, Never Mind Brutico's?

Adam got some airtime on TV yesterday, now he's looking to move into taking over for Mitch Miller's orchestra.

And, where is nightstalker?  The overrated NJAC has come up short yet again in its quest for that elusive national championship. If that conference couldn't win it with Trenton State and "Machine Gun" Grant, they never will.

The over-rated NJAC took out both MAC champions in quite embarassing fashion if I recall. I even recall reading a couple of posters saying it took them a few days to get over the thrashing that WPU gave Scranton. WPU gave up an average of 46 points per game for four games, that is not an overrated team, that is a very good defensive team. They unfortunately had to run into a team that plays defense as well as they do in VA Wesleyan.

A team coached by a former Colonel PG:

http://www.vwc.edu/athletics/mbasketball/coach.php
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on March 13, 2006, 02:09:06 PM
Quote from: naismith on March 13, 2006, 01:47:16 PM
Quote from: knightstalker on March 13, 2006, 10:17:30 AM
Quote from: cold_case on March 12, 2006, 07:30:21 PM
Naismith,
More like Never, Never Mind Brutico's?

Adam got some airtime on TV yesterday, now he's looking to move into taking over for Mitch Miller's orchestra.

And, where is nightstalker?  The overrated NJAC has come up short yet again in its quest for that elusive national championship. If that conference couldn't win it with Trenton State and "Machine Gun" Grant, they never will.

The over-rated NJAC took out both MAC champions in quite embarassing fashion if I recall. I even recall reading a couple of posters saying it took them a few days to get over the thrashing that WPU gave Scranton. WPU gave up an average of 46 points per game for four games, that is not an overrated team, that is a very good defensive team. They unfortunately had to run into a team that plays defense as well as they do in VA Wesleyan.

A team coached by a former Colonel PG:

http://www.vwc.edu/athletics/mbasketball/coach.php

Interesting how it seems to all go in a circle.  Also interesting is how many successful coachs are former point guards.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 13, 2006, 03:25:42 PM
1. Villanova over 16. Monmouth: A freebie to give Allan Ray's eye another couple of days to heal. Monmouth's big John Bunch might not last a minute playing at 'Nova's pace.



http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/news;_ylt=AgM9ZC6oa9ND3ccJB6jOIio5nYcB?slug=ja-minnpicks031306&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on March 13, 2006, 05:22:11 PM
Now that Terry Conrad got whacked at Bloomsburg, when will the rumor mill begin on which local coach is applying for the job?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on March 14, 2006, 09:56:06 AM
Quote from: cold_case on March 13, 2006, 05:22:11 PM
Now that Terry Conrad got whacked at Bloomsburg, when will the rumor mill begin on which local coach is applying for the job?

Keyser Soze

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 14, 2006, 09:58:33 AM
Quote from: naismith on March 14, 2006, 09:56:06 AM
Quote from: cold_case on March 13, 2006, 05:22:11 PM
Now that Terry Conrad got whacked at Bloomsburg, when will the rumor mill begin on which local coach is applying for the job?

Keyser Soze



right...............................................I think Rickrode had his chance a few years ago. What makes you so sure they would take anyone after Terry's showing?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on March 14, 2006, 12:59:26 PM
Maybe the 2nd. time is the charm for Jerry. Just think, if he gets the job he can take Shovlin with him & then he'll (Shovlin) have played at the DI, DIII & DII levels...& still without an NCAA appearance.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on March 14, 2006, 01:19:20 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 14, 2006, 09:58:33 AM
Quote from: naismith on March 14, 2006, 09:56:06 AM
Quote from: cold_case on March 13, 2006, 05:22:11 PM
Now that Terry Conrad got whacked at Bloomsburg, when will the rumor mill begin on which local coach is applying for the job?

Simply meant that the rumor mill will encompass all the "usual suspects".....................................I think Rickrode had his chance a few years ago. What makes you so sure they would take anyone after Terry's showing?
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 14, 2006, 09:58:33 AM
Quote from: naismith on March 14, 2006, 09:56:06 AM
Quote from: cold_case on March 13, 2006, 05:22:11 PM
Now that Terry Conrad got whacked at Bloomsburg, when will the rumor mill begin on which local coach is applying for the job?

Keyser Soze



right...............................................I think Rickrode had his chance a few years ago. What makes you so sure they would take anyone after Terry's showing?

Simply meant that "rumor mill" will probably eoconpass all the "Usual Suspects".

I don't really really follow the Bloomsburg program.....I guess that haven't been tearing it up the past few years.


Would a Carl Danzig be a possibility? Or his co-COY Sgt. Don Friday....just the facts CC.

I'm sure there are a few Bucknell, Lafayette, Lehigh asst. Coach types that might be intrigued as well.

Bennies are pretty good: (just hit coaches from this link)

http://www.bloomu.edu/facstaff/hr_benefits.php

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on March 16, 2006, 09:58:34 PM
CC,

Watching some DI hoops tonight....
Just not the same as sitting on some planks and watching a Wilkes-Kings clash .....lol

Who did everyone pick in their brackets??

Heard DaU and Saratoga picked  the Royals....just kiddin of course.

BC, UConn, UCLA and Duke....hate to be so chalky but that is what I filled in.
Had UCLA and BC in the finals with UCLA winning it.

But what do I know???

Drop me a line. Interested what you are hearing on the Times Leader situation.

Naismith


















Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on March 17, 2006, 03:05:15 AM
Quote from: naismith on March 16, 2006, 09:58:34 PM

Had UCLA and BC in the finals with UCLA winning it.

But what do I know???

Naismith

Nais,
UCLA winning a title?  What is this, 1970??

Knightstalker,
Rowan's team of 1996 doesn't count.  An entire squad of D-1 transfers... please.   They make Leb Val of 1993 look clean.

My Final Four, listed so that people can make fun of me later:
UConn over Villanova, assuming the health of Allen Ray
Texas over Kansas, for the "real" Big 12 Championship
UConn over Texas, as UT falls one game short of the greatest Trifecta in college sports history

Maybe Danzig would like the job at Bloom.  Then he can take the legendary Canio Cianci with him, and let the rest of the conference win some titles.  Give me Rickrode as a head coach, and Cianci as an assistant, and I'll give you a team that's 14-0 in the Freedom. (OKay, maybe 13-1...)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on March 17, 2006, 08:24:24 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on March 17, 2006, 03:05:15 AM


They make Leb Val of 1993 look clean.

Quote

OK, just for that ... may you forever prescribe a laxative for dysentery.  ;)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 17, 2006, 08:54:52 AM
Poor G-MAC anyone see the post game news conference?

Go luck to the Lady Royals !
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on March 17, 2006, 09:45:06 AM
A whole squad, must be coal dust math when three equals five.  And only two were starters.  It counts, they did everything within the rules.  The NCAA amended the rules afterwards but it is a legitimate title.  I am also fairly sure they are not the only team to take advantage of a loophole in the rules to win.  A loophole that was later closed when discovered.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 17, 2006, 09:47:27 AM
Quote from: knightstalker on March 17, 2006, 09:45:06 AM
A whole squad, must be coal dust math when three equals five.  And only two were starters.  It counts, they did everything within the rules.  The NCAA amended the rules afterwards but it is a legitimate title.  I am also fairly sure they are not the only team to take advantage of a loophole in the rules to win.  A loophole that was later closed when discovered.


Loophole, aka cheat.


Unrelated,

http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/42-03172006-627985.html
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on March 17, 2006, 10:06:30 AM
knightcrawler,
When teams need to find loopholes to win a title, it shows how desperate they are.
I'd love to know how many of those players graduated? Or, to give them the benefit of the doubt, how many actually saw the inside of a classroom?

Nais,
I have UCLA headed to the Final Four, but losing in the final to UConn.
Be honest, did you pick Winthrop over UT? I did. How many steps did that kid take on the game winning shot?
Times Leader? Gee, I haven't the foggiest on what you mean. :-X
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on March 17, 2006, 10:28:38 AM
Quote from: cold_case on March 17, 2006, 10:06:30 AM
knightcrawler,
When teams need to find loopholes to win a title, it shows how desperate they are.
I'd love to know how many of those players graduated? Or, to give them the benefit of the doubt, how many actually saw the inside of a classroom?

Nais,
I have UCLA headed to the Final Four, but losing in the final to UConn.
Be honest, did you pick Winthrop over UT? I did. How many steps did that kid take on the game winning shot?
Times Leader? Gee, I haven't the foggiest on what you mean. :-X

Antwan Dasher and the other whos name I can't remember graduated the third Roscoe Harris was murdered in Jersey City before he could finish school.

The NCAA allowed four years of participation for Prop 48 athletes.  Prop 48 allowed a player who was academically ineligible to sit one year on scholarship and play three years for the school giving the scholarship.  They could no longer play on scholarship for the school but they still had one year of eligibility left.  The NCAA rules at the time allowed them to transfer to another school and play that final year.  If they transferred to D-II or D-III they could play right away, if they stayed at a D-I school they would have to sit if they transferred and pay the tuition.  These three were not good enough for St. Joes or another school to find other "financial aid" to stay in school.  It was a loophole that the NCAA closed but it was not cheating, these players still had one year of eligibility left.  Blame the NCAA not Rowan, Rowan did it within the rules that is not cheating.  Is it taking advantage of something yes, most coaches will if their administration would allow it but it is not cheating.

I would be interested in checking on the academic progress of some of the Scranton players from the 76 team, Donnie Drunk was not the only player that thought class was something to sleep through back then.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on March 17, 2006, 10:41:54 AM
Donny Drunk flunked out of Scranton. He was also academically ineligible the second semester of the previous year.
Ask me about John DeRichie, another member of that 1976 team, who everyone thought was a rock. You'd be surprised to hear what that rock is doing now.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 17, 2006, 10:53:10 AM
Fix your picture Knightstalker.

Nobody cares about Donnie Drunk in 1976. What do you have against Drunks anyway?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: phil on March 17, 2006, 10:55:16 AM
I didn't see Rowan get any NCAA sanctions, record book asterisks, title stripping, public flogging or burning whilst tied to a stake. Only Upsala could lay claim to going outside the rules after playing second fiddle to North Park for so many years.

Golly gee. I'd hate to see the acerbic vitriol from some MAC posters if we open the next athletic calendar year with TCNJ as a member.

So many years have past (a decade) since naughty Rowan bolstered their football and basketball teams with transfers. Shame on the head coaches (who are now at North Carolina and Maine respectively) who made/make the Rowan athletic department pay in the court of public opinion every day for something that happened ten years ago.

...But at the very least we could hope for posters who can make an accusation with half a memory and a shred of information.

Cold_Case
I seriously doubt anybody at Rowan sat down to brainstorm a way to find and exploit a loophole to win a national championship. Terrence Stewart played four years, was the Final Four MVP and Rowan's all-time leading scorer. He graduated. Antwan Dasher and Roscoe Harris are your players in question since they were the only other players to average double digits in '96. Dasher transfered from FDU with a year of elligibility on the court even though he was class of '95.

...regarding an earlier fact-filled post of yours – nobody ever called Greg Grant "machine gun".
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on March 17, 2006, 11:10:26 AM
Phil Dr. Gianinni is now at LaSalle.  Stewart was the one I couldn't remember, Dasher did graduate but not from Rowan.  Like I posted before Roscoe Harris was going to finish up at NJCU when he was murdered.

Another player Ryan Cochran left Rowan after that season and entered the military and came back about four years ago and finished college and played his last three years.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on March 17, 2006, 11:14:18 AM
phil, like the groundhog phil?
First of all, if your reading comprehension wasn't so poor, you'd notice I wasn't the one that mentioned the word "loophole."
Secondly, a buddy of mine graduated from Trenton State and he told me some of the students called Grant "machine gun," so I thought that's what everyone called him.
And of course some players have to graduate. I just wondered about the overall graduation rate, that's all.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 17, 2006, 11:16:54 AM
Thank you knightstalker.


Too much Jersey talk!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: phil on March 17, 2006, 11:25:03 AM
Cold_Case
Quoteknightcrawler,
When teams need to find loopholes to win a title, it shows how desperate they are.
I'd love to know how many of those players graduated? Or, to give them the benefit of the doubt, how many actually saw the inside of a classroom?

Yup, that couldn't have been you.

So now you have the facts. Two graduations and one shooting death.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on March 17, 2006, 12:19:15 PM
Actually he was stabbed with a broken bottle while trying to defend a friend that was being attacked.  I got to know Roscoe after he left Rowan, he came back to Jersey City and was working as a security guard at a Walgreens when he died.  He was one of the nicest and gentlest people I have known, but most people his size that I have met were gentle.  More than the coach at Rowan I blame the coaches at St. Joes where he attended who let him drift for four years as long as he could help them but they did nothing to really help him.  The problem with most of D-I in a nutshell.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on March 17, 2006, 05:39:16 PM
Quote from: knightstalker on March 17, 2006, 09:45:06 AM
A whole squad, must be coal dust math when three equals five.  And only two were starters.  It counts, they did everything within the rules.  The NCAA amended the rules afterwards but it is a legitimate title.  I am also fairly sure they are not the only team to take advantage of a loophole in the rules to win.  A loophole that was later closed when discovered.

That's right phil, it couldn't have been me.

knightstalker,
Wait until you hear this. I went to the source to find out what Donny Drunk is doing now. Are you ready? He runs a beer distributorship in upstate NY.
Can you say "FITTING?"
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on March 17, 2006, 06:35:07 PM
As long as he doesn't sample the product too much.  Then again you wouldn't want to sell a beer that you haven't tried.  It really is a catch-22.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on March 18, 2006, 06:21:08 AM
Knightstalker,

So, it was only a loophole.  The larger point is that your pictured caveman doesn't have the roast duck, he doesn't order anything. :o)

Show of hands, who had VA Wesleyan in their D3 Pick'Em Final Four?  Anyone?  Anyone?  Just the Wilkes homer?  Okay, then...

Is it possible that I'm a Southern Maine win away from placing in D3 Women's Pick'em??  Okay, didn't think so.  Just glad that I could, once again, place the safest best in sports:  Lady Royals get to the Final Four and GAKKK once they arrive.  That 1985 UofS Title is quickly looking like a Jack Kemp AFL title to the Buffalo Bills...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on March 18, 2006, 06:54:57 AM
CJ, the larger point is the Caveman on the left orders the Roast Duck with Mango Salsa, he is the one with sunglasses on the forhead.  The other caveman doesn't have much of an appetite.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.worldnetdaily.com%2Fimages2%2Fgeicocavemen.jpg&hash=bbfe165bdd3b8210a665738778a323f3fcba1236)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on March 18, 2006, 09:09:04 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on March 18, 2006, 06:21:08 AM
Knightstalker,

So, it was only a loophole.  The larger point is that your pictured caveman doesn't have the roast duck, he doesn't order anything. :o)

CJ,
Are you saying it's so easy to figure out that a caveman could do it? ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on March 18, 2006, 09:37:49 AM
Quote from: phil on March 17, 2006, 10:55:16 AM

Golly gee. I'd hate to see the acerbic vitriol from some MAC posters if we open the next athletic calendar year with TCNJ as a member.


There'd be no "acerbic vitriol" from this MAC poster if that would come to be. In fact, I'd be happy to have the Lions ....
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: phil on March 18, 2006, 09:52:47 AM
I've learned enough over the last few weeks to know that its just a matter of whether the MAC would vote them in – which isn't exactly a slam dunk.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on March 18, 2006, 09:58:48 AM
Agreed, no "slam dunk," but I gather there's some evident sympathy for TCNJ to come over.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: phil on March 18, 2006, 10:09:37 AM
It will make for an interesting summer of posting as we watch the future of the MAC (and the NJAC) play itself out!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on March 18, 2006, 11:06:22 AM
Quote from: phil on March 18, 2006, 10:09:37 AM
It will make for an interesting summer of posting as we watch the future of the MAC (and the NJAC) play itself out!

That it will ....
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on March 18, 2006, 11:27:25 PM
CC,

Nope,

Didn't have Winthrop but I did have Montana in the first round and, of course, Bucknell.
Also had NC State, Alabama and Texas A&M...(yeah yeah..I figured the Orange had to have a let down plus I was impressed with A&M in the games I saw them play). Want to break a zone. Get a copy of that game tape and watch it over and over and over again. They made mincemeat out of the Syracuse zone.

And NEPA, G-Mac has to apologize to no one. What a great career!

CC, re the local newspapers----

The story is that McClatchey, who bought Knight Ridder (or is the process of buying) is putting the Times Leader up for sale.
I had heard a Scranton publisher was going to buy the Leader and close it.

Vegas has you as the buyer at 1-9
The Lynett's are 1,000,000-1 shots.

My $1 is down.

I think you should call Uncle Louie and wrap this thing up.
You can be sports editor and I'll cover horse racing with Van Rose and D3 hoops with CJ and Saratoga.

By the way, can you believe a Rickrode disciple won the whole enchilada.
Coach Dave Macedo, a hearty NEPA congrats!!

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on March 19, 2006, 06:43:31 AM
Ummm, legally can the Times-Shamrock-Voice-Tribune-News Item-Pottsville Republican-WEJL-WBAX-92.1-etc Empire purchase the Times Leader?  At some point, isn't that considered a monopoly?

And how about "The Glove" Dave Macedo?  10 years ago, he played in his 2nd straight Elite 8.  Now, he rests wiith Walnut and Bronze.  A hearty congrats to the mighty Marlins of Va Wasleyan.

A question, if I may... and I'm not sure if there's an easy way to answer it.  How many campuses can claim alums (PLURAL) that have won D3 National Titles?  Wilkes has Bo Ryan (4 at Platteville), and now Macedo.  ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on March 19, 2006, 09:57:32 AM
Quote from: naismith on March 18, 2006, 11:27:25 PM
CC,
re the local newspapers----

The story is that McClatchey, who bought Knight Ridder (or is the process of buying) is putting the Times Leader up for sale.
I had heard a Scranton publisher was going to buy the Leader and close it.

Vegas has you as the buyer at 1-9
The Lynett's are 1,000,000-1 shots.

McClatchey could invest billions on newspaper but won't got out and spend on free agency for his Pirates? What's that all about?
Anyway, it seems the TL has been up for sale for years, but it's for real this time. There was a rumor a while back that a well known multi-millionaire from Dunmore was going to buy the TL and close it down. I never understood that logic. If the TL is bought, I wouldn't bet against a merger, leaving W-B with one newspaper. Now that makes sense, especially since the bulk of the manpower will be CV employees. Union comes into play here. At least that's what some people are telling me.
I think Brutico's were bought out since they have a different menu with casual attire the rule of the day.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on March 19, 2006, 10:25:02 PM
Well, let's make it that Anthony's place you mentioned.

I heard that it is excellent from other sources.

I have a busy schedule early this week but Thurs. eve is open.

Bring along your other pal  as well....the more the merrier...

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on March 19, 2006, 10:56:09 PM
OK, I'll be in touch.
By the way, here's "food" for thought. The owner of Anthony's is Pat Mischello. He's the same guy who sucker punched Riverside coach Mike Morgan when Mike was on his way to the lockerroom at halftime of an Old Forge/Riverside playoff game.
Regardless, the grub is excellent.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on March 20, 2006, 07:32:35 PM
Quote from: cold_case on March 19, 2006, 10:56:09 PM
OK, I'll be in touch.
By the way, here's "food" for thought. The owner of Anthony's is Pat Mischello. He's the same guy who sucker punched Riverside coach Mike Morgan when Mike was on his way to the lockerroom at halftime of an Old Forge/Riverside playoff game.
Regardless, the grub is excellent.

So, are we having Spar Ribs?

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on March 20, 2006, 08:40:35 PM
LOL. The spar ribs are very good there. You might say, they're a knockout.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on March 20, 2006, 10:17:18 PM
It is going to be a long offseason ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach C on March 22, 2006, 04:32:09 PM
Yeah - I am ready for a few more games.  I woder if anyone is still practicing.  i will even go to a practice.

C
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 24, 2006, 07:03:05 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on March 18, 2006, 06:21:08 AMThat 1985 UofS Title is quickly looking like a Jack Kemp AFL title to the Buffalo Bills...

CJ, don't disrespect my childhood heroes, the AFL Bills, or Cookie Gilchrist might have to turn up at your door and go all Samuel L. Jackson on your slave-holding cracker self ...

http://www.cookiegilchrist.com

Besides, how could you not love a team that had the likes of Elbert "Golden Wheels" Dubenion and Preston Ridlehuber?

Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on March 19, 2006, 06:43:31 AMA question, if I may... and I'm not sure if there's an easy way to answer it. How many campuses can claim alums (PLURAL) that have won D3 National Titles? Wilkes has Bo Ryan (4 at Platteville), and now Macedo. ;D

I take it you're just asking about coaches, right?

North Park has two such alumni: Bosko Djurickovic, class of '73 (5 titles) and Dan McCarrell, class of '61 (3 titles). And, unlike Wilkes, Djurickovic and McCarrell didn't have to leave their alma mater to win those titles. Djurickovic was McCarrell's assistant for the first three championships won by North Park (1978, 1979, 1980) and the head coach for the fourth and fifth Vikings titles (1985, 1987). And then for kicks he went on to take Carthage to the Final Four in 2002.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on March 24, 2006, 08:24:49 AM
Greg, excellent - that's the info I was looking for.  I had a feeling there had to be another school that provided 2 title-winning coaches.  If only we could win a Title at Wilkes, all would be well...

That Cookie Gilchrist site is, well, something.  Pretty inflammatory stuff... wonder what he thinks of Terrell Owens not wanting to play for "only" 7 million per... and, Greg, that said, the disrespect was intended towards Scranton, not your beloved Bills or a Senator.  As a thank you for today's education, I'll rephrase:

That 1985 UofS [women's] title is quickly looking like that '95 Braves title.  Lots of playoff appearances, but only able to reach out and grab that brass ring once.

Show of hands... who here knew how to spell Djurickovic before this morning?  Anyone, anyone?  Alright then, moving on.

And come on, Greg, assistant coach rings are not the ones in question here.  No knock to assistants, but if I stand next Jenny McCarthy while she's having sex, it doesn't count.  Neither does this.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach C on March 24, 2006, 10:09:35 AM
CJ4L -

If you are standing next to her and just STANDING there, you have issues.

C
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on March 24, 2006, 10:30:00 AM
Quote from: Coach C on March 24, 2006, 10:09:35 AM
CJ4L -

If you are standing next to her and just STANDING there, you have issues.

C

That's why they make that little blue pill, c'mon CJ4L you're the one that's becoming a pharmacist.   :D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on March 24, 2006, 01:25:02 PM
What about Keith Lincoln? Local legend, Ed Rutkowski, from Plymouth?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 24, 2006, 09:20:44 PM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on March 24, 2006, 08:24:49 AMThat Cookie Gilchrist site is, well, something.  Pretty inflammatory stuff... wonder what he thinks of Terrell Owens not wanting to play for "only" 7 million per...

Dunno, and I'm not sure that I would want my melanin-challenged self to be the one who asks him. But I sometimes click on Cookie's site whenever I need a good laugh.

Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on March 24, 2006, 08:24:49 AMShow of hands... who here knew how to spell Djurickovic before this morning?  Anyone, anyone?

Practice, practice, practice.

NPU's former SID can spell "Djurickovic" in his sleep ... but whenever he posts on CCIW Chat, he tends to misspell current Vikings coach Paul Brenegan's name as "Breneghan."

Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on March 24, 2006, 08:24:49 AMAnd come on, Greg, assistant coach rings are not the ones in question here.  No knock to assistants, but if I stand next Jenny McCarthy while she's having sex, it doesn't count.

It does if you're the one who's holding the video camera. But your point about assistant coaches is valid. Nevertheless, Djurickovic won two titles as a head coach, so he certainly qualifies as one of two NPU alumni who've won D3 titles as the guy at the helm.

Quote from: cold_case on March 24, 2006, 01:25:02 PMWhat about Keith Lincoln? Local legend, Ed Rutkowski, from Plymouth?

Rutkowski, the original "Slash," may be the only AFL or NFL player since 1960 who has played wide receiver, kick returner, running back, and quarterback. But he's more familiar in Buffalo from his years of doing Bills games on the radio alongside the legendary Van Miller. Lincoln's better known in Buffalo as the star halfback of the San Diego Chargers who got drilled in the ribs by linebacker Mike Stratton while flaring out to catch a screen in the '64 AFL title game. Stratton snapped two of Lincoln's ribs on the play. It's the subject of one of the most famous photos in AFL history:

http://www.billszone.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10003/thumb_mikestrattonstackle.JPG
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 24, 2006, 10:01:15 PM
It's too bad the AFL couldn't afford full-size photos. :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 25, 2006, 12:05:38 PM
Heh. Blame that on the crappy Billszone website, which is the only GIS I could find for the pic of Stratton laying out Lincoln. I've seen the full-sized pic in books, and it's a great action shot.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: diehardfan on March 25, 2006, 02:49:36 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 24, 2006, 09:20:44 PM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on March 24, 2006, 08:24:49 AMAnd come on, Greg, assistant coach rings are not the ones in question here.  No knock to assistants, but if I stand next Jenny McCarthy while she's having sex, it doesn't count.
It does if you're the one who's holding the video camera. But your point about assistant coaches is valid.

Gross sex analogies aside (I was going to come up with an more appropriately similar veined analogy and then decided thoroughly against the idea of posting it), :D I totally disagree with the thoughts behind them.

Saying the assistant coaches aren't a huge part of why a team has a championship, at many schools, is just totally not valid. Many of them recruit, and plenty of them do substantial amounts of in-game coaching. Sure, there are some teams where it really looks like the 4-5 assistants are just standing there to look pretty in their suits, or taking stats or whatever, but I'm sure there are plenty of them that are so invaluable to their programs that their programs simply wouldn't have gotten that far without them.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on March 25, 2006, 04:04:50 PM
Greg,
Here is the link to a much larger photo of Stratton's "hit" so people won't have to strain their eyes.

www.billszone.com/mtlog/archives/2004/08/01/bills_20_
chargers_7_1964_afl_championship_game.php
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 26, 2006, 01:20:19 PM
Just a reminder, there's baseball and lacrosse discussions on the site now as well:

Freedom baseball: http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4362.0
Commonwealth baseball: http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4363.0
MAC lacrosse: http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4312.0

No reason the offseason has to be so painful. :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 28, 2006, 05:19:38 AM
Quote from: diehardfan on March 25, 2006, 02:49:36 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 24, 2006, 09:20:44 PM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on March 24, 2006, 08:24:49 AMAnd come on, Greg, assistant coach rings are not the ones in question here.  No knock to assistants, but if I stand next Jenny McCarthy while she's having sex, it doesn't count.
It does if you're the one who's holding the video camera. But your point about assistant coaches is valid.

Gross sex analogies aside

I was actually thinking more in terms of the financial windfall associated with being the one holding the camera. One can only imagine the sort of income pocketed by the people who've been the first to peddle sex-of-the-stars videos on the Internet.

Quote from: diehardfan on March 25, 2006, 02:49:36 PMSaying the assistant coaches aren't a huge part of why a team has a championship, at many schools, is just totally not valid. Many of them recruit, and plenty of them do substantial amounts of in-game coaching. Sure, there are some teams where it really looks like the 4-5 assistants are just standing there to look pretty in their suits, or taking stats or whatever, but I'm sure there are plenty of them that are so invaluable to their programs that their programs simply wouldn't have gotten that far without them.

FWIW, Bosko Djurickovic was the only assistant coach that North Park had during the national-championship threepeat. His contribution to the Park's success in '78, '79, and '80 was immeasurable and indispensable, and Dan McCarrell would be the first one to say that.

Quote from: cold_case on March 25, 2006, 04:04:50 PM
Greg,
Here is the link to a much larger photo of Stratton's "hit" so people won't have to strain their eyes.

www.billszone.com/mtlog/archives/2004/08/01/bills_20_chargers_7_1964_afl_championship_game.php

Thanks, Cold Case. Dunno why I couldn't get that Billszone pic to blow up.

Man, every time I see that pic I cringe. Must've sucked big-time to be Keith Lincoln at that particular moment.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on March 28, 2006, 05:40:36 AM
Quote from: diehardfan on March 25, 2006, 02:49:36 PM
Saying the assistant coaches aren't a huge part of why a team has a championship, at many schools, is just totally not valid.

April, your point is true.  Locally, one need only look at Scranton '03 vs Scranton '04 to see the relevance of an assistant coach.  Scranton goes from 5-20 to 20-5 and the Sweet 16 in one season DIRECTLY because they hired a former assistant coach.

Unfortunately, the larger point was just, "What D-III schools have provided multiple alums who have won D-III titles as head coaches?" Bosko Djurickovicrzyzewskiovitchski (did I spell it right that time??) and McCarrell qualify for the list which now reads as follows: North Park, Wilkes.

And Greg, you're from Chicago... where's the stories from Ms. McCarthy's illustrious high school basketball career? 

In other news, that's a GREAT hit!  ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on March 28, 2006, 07:23:57 AM
Greg,
Lincoln had a decent career, mostly with the Chargers.
I wonder how much Lincoln's rookie card would fetch?
There is an AFL site I think you'd love. I have to find it so if you're interested, drop me an e-mail, I'll send it to you.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 28, 2006, 07:48:49 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on March 28, 2006, 05:40:36 AMAnd Greg, you're from Chicago... where's the stories from Ms. McCarthy's illustrious high school basketball career? 

She had a couple of sisters who were stars at Mother McAuley H.S. who later went on to play D1 ball at UIC, but I don't think Jenny played hoops. I remember her telling David Letterman that she had been a field hockey player in high school. Makes sense that she'd go to Hollywood for a career, since in the movies the slutty high school girls always play field hockey.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 28, 2006, 12:51:30 PM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on March 28, 2006, 05:40:36 AM
Quote from: diehardfan on March 25, 2006, 02:49:36 PM
Saying the assistant coaches aren't a huge part of why a team has a championship, at many schools, is just totally not valid.

April, your point is true.  Locally, one need only look at Scranton '03 vs Scranton '04 to see the relevance of an assistant coach.  Scranton goes from 5-20 to 20-5 and the Sweet 16 in one season DIRECTLY because they hired a former assistant coach.


Now Cj, i know you really don't believe that. There was a little more to it than that.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on March 28, 2006, 01:40:25 PM
Hey NEPA,
Are you a G-Man?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 28, 2006, 02:00:57 PM
Yeah we are working a D3hoops gambling ring !
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on March 28, 2006, 02:24:53 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 28, 2006, 02:00:57 PM
Yeah we are working a D3hoops gambling ring !

Way to go Pat. You build up a nice thing and now this. ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 28, 2006, 03:14:23 PM
Hey, hey, NEPAfan does not speak for D3hoops.com, D3sports.com, its parent company or the horse we rode in on. :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 28, 2006, 03:28:11 PM
Pat-

Any thoughts to a recruit database? I know of other sites which are able to do this ( yes for d3). Just curious?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 28, 2006, 03:55:43 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 28, 2006, 03:28:11 PM
Pat-

Any thoughts to a recruit database? I know of other sites which are able to do this ( yes for d3). Just curious?

Point me to one of those sites, if you would. I haven't seen one.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: diehardfan on March 28, 2006, 05:00:12 PM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on March 28, 2006, 05:40:36 AM
Bosko Djurickovicrzyzewskiovitchski (did I spell it right that time??)

:D  :D  :D

Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 28, 2006, 12:51:30 PM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on March 28, 2006, 05:40:36 AM
April, your point is true.  Locally, one need only look at Scranton '03 vs Scranton '04 to see the relevance of an assistant coach.  Scranton goes from 5-20 to 20-5 and the Sweet 16 in one season DIRECTLY because they hired a former assistant coach.
Now Cj, i know you really don't believe that. There was a little more to it than that.

Maybe it was becase the Scranton assistant coach and/or players had a really long last names, and it took the other players and coaches forever to try to trash talk them by name. Therefore, Scranton could just concentrate on their game and did better.   :D  8)

You guys are too funny, I'm glad I took the effort to get caught up on the boards, cause I missed some funny stuff during the season.  :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on March 29, 2006, 08:55:16 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 28, 2006, 12:51:30 PM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on March 28, 2006, 05:40:36 AM
Locally, one need only look at Scranton '03 vs Scranton '04 to see the relevance of an assistant coach.  Scranton goes from 5-20 to 20-5 and the Sweet 16 in one season DIRECTLY because they hired a former assistant coach.
Now Cj, i know you really don't believe that. There was a little more to it than that.

NEPAFAN, I 100% believe that.  Other than Canio Cianci, who was an assistant under Bob Bessoir for like 60 years, what other material changes did Scranton make?

Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 28, 2006, 03:28:11 PM
Any thoughts to a recruit database?

Heheh, I thought "recruiting" was "illegal" at the D3 level.  ;D
(Recruiting not exisiting?  I really don't believe THAT.  ;) )
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on March 29, 2006, 08:56:30 AM
Wow... another feature of this site that I never noticed...

Pat put a cake in my profile today.  ;D  Thanks!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 29, 2006, 10:14:56 AM
A division 2 transfer, a healthy Brian O'donnell and an actual fresham recruiting class might have played a small part.

Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 28, 2006, 03:28:11 PM
Any thoughts to a recruit database?

Heheh, I thought "recruiting" was "illegal" at the D3 level.  ;D
(Recruiting not exisiting?  I really don't believe THAT.  ;) )
Quote


www.laxpower.com has recruits for all divisions of lacrosse.


You have to be a graduate of MIT to figure out this freaking quote function



Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 29, 2006, 11:33:36 AM
That's lacrosse. Anything for the sports we actually cover?

Quoting is easy. Hit the quote button on a person's post. Delete the stuff between the two {quote} tags that you don't want to use. Post.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on March 29, 2006, 12:03:30 PM
CJ,
Scranton went to the Sweet 16 in 2002-2003, then finished 5-20 the following season. You had it backwards.
Canio had nothing to do with either season since he didn't rejoin the program until 2004-2005.
Secondly, Scranton's poor showing that year was a direct by-product of the lack of recruiting effort put in by the previous coaching staff. There were no senior or junior classes, except for O'Donnell, leaving Danzig with a squad full of freshman and a weak sophomore class.
Check their roster now and you'll find a nice balance of freshman, sophomores and juniors, along with a couple seniors that played well this season.
Canio came into the picture the same time as Darren Cannon, Ryan Kirk, James Powell and Randy Arnold. Plus, players like Mike McGowan, Pat Clabby, Mike Kreuter and others were a year removed from their freshman years and had gained valuable experience.
One assistant coach didn't do it all. It was a combo of all the above.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 29, 2006, 12:18:19 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 29, 2006, 11:33:36 AM
That's lacrosse. Anything for the sports we actually cover?


Sorry, hard to tell which sports you cover when you were just on this board trying to plug the other message boards for the sports that have no posts. My point is if they can do it for Lacrosse, you can certainly do it for Basketball. Just a suggestion.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 29, 2006, 12:47:34 PM
We cover football and basketball, like the bottom of all of my message board posts says.

I believe your assertion that it must be possible for basketball (800 programs) since it's possible for lacrosse (289) is a logical fallacy. However, we did post recruiting info on the Daily Dose last year and we'll do it again this year. That doesn't look to be all that different than what laxpower does -- except ours is only based on published reports, not hearsay.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: diehardfan on March 29, 2006, 05:57:31 PM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on March 29, 2006, 08:56:30 AM
Wow... another feature of this site that I never noticed...

Pat put a cake in my profile today.  ;D  Thanks!!

Happy Birthday! :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 03, 2006, 11:02:52 AM
Any conference realignment chatter?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on April 04, 2006, 07:34:59 AM
Let's hope not... I plan to close my eyes, put my fingers in my ears, and sing.  The system is not broken - don't fix it.  ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Gregory Sager on April 04, 2006, 07:40:36 AM
But with three schools leaving the MAC Commonwealth, can anyone really expect the MAC Freedom to remain unaffected?

I wouldn't worry about it too much, CJ. No matter what happens, I can't possibly envision a scenario in which Wilkes, Scranton, and King's wouldn't be joined together at the hip like some sort of unholy set of Siamese triplets.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 05, 2006, 01:51:36 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on April 04, 2006, 07:40:36 AM
But with three schools leaving the MAC Commonwealth, can anyone really expect the MAC Freedom to remain unaffected?

I wouldn't worry about it too much, CJ. No matter what happens, I can't possibly envision a scenario in which Wilkes, Scranton, and King's wouldn't be joined together at the hip like some sort of unholy set of Siamese triplets.


It is two Commonwealth teams and one Freedom team.

Unholy set of siamese triplets, now there is an image!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Gregory Sager on April 06, 2006, 03:29:52 AM
We're both wrong. According to the AP press release reprinted on this site and discussed in the New Conference Forming room under General Basketball, the new conference will include three current MAC Commonwealth schools (Juniata, Susquehanna, and Moravian) and one current MAC Freedom school (Drew).

It still doesn't make any difference as far as my original point goes, because the MACF will keep the seven members required for an automatic bid. But the MACC would be down to five members, two below the minimum, and the Commonwealthers might clamor for a reorganization of the MAC under those circumstances. Of course, there's always the possibility that two more members could be recruited and the two separate conferences (and two separate Pool A bids) could thus remain intact. Warren Thompson mentioned back in December that he'd heard that Misericordia and Wesley were interested in joining the MAC, but I haven't read anything else along those lines.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on April 06, 2006, 09:37:39 AM
I am pretty sure TCNJ would jump at the chance to join the MAC, but the MAC doesn't want them.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: phil on April 06, 2006, 09:48:18 AM
Knightstalker,
Given what is currently happening within the MAC, I couldn't say for sure TCNJ would be turned away.

Gregory,
TCNJ was speaking with the MAC back in December. It might be a longshot, but I'd still like TCNJ to be among like-minded schools – public affiliation be damned. Newest freshman class averages 1322 on the SATs. What other MAC schools can say that? Meanwhile in Jersey, schools like Rowan, Montclair and Kean look to expand up to 18,000 students ... then there's the question of whether Montclair and Rowan even intend to participate in D3 athletics in the not-too-distant future.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 06, 2006, 11:18:04 AM
I wonder why the Mac would say no then. Sounds like a good fit.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Gregory Sager on April 07, 2006, 03:43:18 AM
Quote from: phil on April 06, 2006, 09:48:18 AMTCNJ was speaking with the MAC back in December. It might be a longshot, but I'd still like TCNJ to be among like-minded schools – public affiliation be damned. Newest freshman class averages 1322 on the SATs. What other MAC schools can say that? Meanwhile in Jersey, schools like Rowan, Montclair and Kean look to expand up to 18,000 students ... then there's the question of whether Montclair and Rowan even intend to participate in D3 athletics in the not-too-distant future.

With test scores like that, Phil, why aim for the MAC? Why not try to get into the Centennial?

It still doesn't look to me as though TCNJ and the MAC Freedom schools have all that much in common besides a liberal arts orientation and D3 affiliation. People will focus upon the fact that TCNJ is public and the MACF schools are private, and I'm sure that that's the major sticking point. But the institutional differences seem to go a lot deeper, especially since the seven remaining MACF schools are all remarkably alike in profile. All have an undergraduate enrollment between 1,500 and 2,000 except for Scranton's 4,000 (TCNJ's is 5,900). All have an endowment ranging from $35m to $101m, except for relative pauper Delaware Valley's $14m (TCNJ's is $6.9m). All cost anywhere from $28,580/yr to $33,931/yr to attend (TCNJ costs $7,051/yr for Jerseyites, $12,314/yr for out-of-staters). And all are moderately selective, with acceptance rates in the 72% to 89% range (TCNJ, which is far more selective, is at 45%).

The Lions also kick butt in any number of sports, and I'm not sure that the athletics braintrust at the MAC Freedom schools would welcome having a newcomer pile-drive them into the ground in various sports ranging from baseball to women's soccer. TCNJ currently leads all of D3 in the Director's Cup standings, and the highest-ranked current MACF member is Scranton ... way back in 81st place.

I'm rooting for your alma mater to get into the MACF, Phil, since it looks like the NJAC is becoming more and more untenable every year. Besides, life would sure get a lot more interesting for you as a Lions fan if you got to be a part of the legendary hijinks of the MAC Freedom room. Heck, you might even get enlisted as a contestant in MAC Freedom Survivor if Adam ever revives it. As you've said yourself, the NJAC room has gotten awfully tame over the last couple of years.

But TCNJ doesn't look like all that great a fit for this league. You might have to hope that the MAC as a whole really gets desperate for another member.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: phil on April 07, 2006, 11:22:28 AM
Gregory,
If the MAC couldn't accept a public school which excels in athletics and in the classroom, I doubt the Centennial would ... and that would be putting it mildly. France would sooner declare Velveeta the national cheese. I'll have to be satisfied when I see any given TCNJ athletic team apply said pile-driver to the occasional Centennial team (which more often than not has lower academic standards than my lowly, public school alma-mater). The baseball team's current 5-0 record against the Centennial, including 26-1 and 16-5 victories over Haverford, come to mind.

I can't be convinced that TCNJ is currently a better fit in the NJAC than the MAC – or Centennial for that matter.

With the upheaval of the MAC I thought the powers-that-be might be willing to overlook cost and enrollment in favor of selectivity, academics and geography. Let's face it, when it comes to shopping for teams to add to your conference, you have a finite regional list.

As far as the quality of TCNJ athletics is concerned, yes, TCNJ would probably dominate in a few sports. However, football and basketball aren't among them. Messiah (talk about a tiny school stressing athletics!!!) has dominated the national soccer scene – adding the Lions would just strengthen the conference in this sport – and TCNJ would finally have a conference for their men's tennis, golf, wrestling, women's lax and swimming teams to play in.

...and most importantly, and to your point, my witty repartee is a far better fit in the MACF than the NJAC. I bet the MAC officials failed to take that into consideration!!!

All kidding aside, should the NJAC fall apart, I wonder where the pieces would fall?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on April 07, 2006, 01:32:51 PM
I could see Rowan, MSU and possibly Ramapo moving to a lower division.  I think Kean, WPU, NJCU, Both Rutgers and Stockton would try to stay together.  I would hope everyone learned a lesson from NJCU's bid to leave the NJAC.  Possibly if things were to change some of the SUNY schools like Farmingdale and Purchase would be interested.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on April 07, 2006, 03:53:11 PM
Phil
I agree with you. (I have no inside info of this, though) While the women's MAC sport coaches will not be thrilled, I definately can see CNJ in the MAC in the relative near future, especially if the Rowan building thing continues...
At the risk of academic snobbery, let's face it. I don't think any of the MAC schools compete with CNJ for recruits except on an occaisonal basis. FDU has had some cross-recruiting in football, but that's about it. I would welcome CNJ to the MAC...

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on April 07, 2006, 03:58:37 PM
Also - for Greg

I wish FDU had an endowment of over 35 million...you might want to check that one. I think we're more like 20 million!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on April 07, 2006, 06:04:57 PM
OK, last post, I promise :)

FDU's 2006 endowment, according to US News, is about $13 Million....Not good!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Gregory Sager on April 10, 2006, 05:22:19 AM
I was going by the latest figures from Peterson's for my figures. The one MACF school whose endowment wasn't listed by Peterson's was FDU.

Is that $13m figure for the entire university, or just the Florham branch?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on April 10, 2006, 07:29:53 PM
Gregory

Unfortunately, that's the total endowment.
As you may know, FDU is one strange animal when it comes to a university. Most do not seperate our "stats", which make the "College at Florham" look worse than it is. This campus actually has different admissions standards (higher), costs, majors than the other. Then, things get reported and jumbled together. It's kind of frustrating because this campus is primarily a liberal arts/business school, with the majority of students full-time on campus students. This campus is not a commuter school, like the other...
It's certainly a school in search of itself. Every few years, we change logos, colors, and mission statements. Since 1998, we've changed school colors three times!
One of these days, they'll get it right, and the sleeping giant will be awakened....
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on April 10, 2006, 07:40:22 PM
Quote from: bill on April 10, 2006, 07:29:53 PM
Since 1998, we've changed school colors three times!

OK, Bill, FDU/Florham is now blue [navy?] and dark red [crimson?]; earlier, I believe the Devils sported navy and light blue. What was the third color combination? We uniform freaks need to know .... *  ;)

------------------------------------

* BTW are you aware of an organization called the Society for Sports Uniform Research? They do a remarkable job of tracing uniform history for all sports.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: phil on April 10, 2006, 08:17:07 PM
Warren,
Welcome home. I trust the blue highways were good to you.

Bill,
You can dial up any number of uniform/logo color combinations. I just look forward to the day I can make the 10 minute drive from Chatham to watch TCNJ compete in a variety of regular season athletic contests against FDU Florham/Madison (how in the world you guys can't decide what town you're in I'll never know ... unless Florham Park's officials made it worth it to alter your letterhead$).
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on April 10, 2006, 08:34:05 PM
Quote from: phil on April 10, 2006, 08:17:07 PM
Warren,
Welcome home. I trust the blue highways were good to you.

Bill,
You can dial up any number of uniform/logo color combinations. I just look forward to the day I can make the 10 minute drive from Chatham to watch TCNJ compete in a variety of regular season athletic contests against FDU Florham/Madison (how in the world you guys can't decide what town you're in I'll never know ... unless Florham Park's officials made it worth it to alter your letterhead$).

Yes, the "blue highways" were good, as were the other colors. But after a while, one gets weary of playing tag with 18-wheelers.

Jacksonville, Florida, is kind of like Philadelphia with palm trees and Spanish moss. Savannah was better, though it's very "touristy."

BTW where does one "dial up" those uniform color combinations?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on April 10, 2006, 09:36:06 PM
Warren (and other uniform freaks)

1. Navy blue, columbia, and white
2. black and an almost aquamarine like color - think jacksonville jaguars
3. Navy and cardinal

amazing, isn't it?

As for the town, we were always "FDU-Madison", because the front gate is actually in Madison. Besides the gate, and 3 athletic fields (NOT the football field), the rest of the campus is in Florham Park.
The braintrust thought that the "College at Florham" sounded more collegiate, I guess. The funny thing is the newspapers still report the scores as "FDU-Florham", or "FDU-Madison".

Like I said before, I too think CNJ will be in the MAC in the not too future. I welcome it, although the arguement could be made that it might hurt FDU the most of all the MAC schools (though I don't agree with that)

We shall see!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on April 10, 2006, 09:37:41 PM
By the way, what happened to all of the "old" posts before the sites were changed? I seem to think I posted quite a bit back then...Then I started over a few years ago at zero.....?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: phil on April 10, 2006, 10:00:43 PM
Bill,
Downtown Madison is positively "collegiate", welcomes back the students from FDU, St. Elizabeth and Drew with open arms each Fall, and has a hint of an "ivy" feel to it – with its brick walkways, cherry blossoms, jazz club and top notch restaurants. Florham Park has a few second rate office parks, a McDonalds, and is as pedestrian-friendly as ... er ... oh yeah, they don't have a "downtown". As far as "collegiate" sounding ... an ex-president lost out to a "Florham"?

Maybe we should begin a petition to rename William Paterson. Mad Anthony Wayne University has a cool ring to it!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Gregory Sager on April 11, 2006, 01:42:01 AM
Quote from: phil on April 10, 2006, 08:17:07 PMI just look forward to the day I can make the 10 minute drive from Chatham to watch TCNJ compete in a variety of regular season athletic contests against FDU Florham/Madison (how in the world you guys can't decide what town you're in I'll never know ... unless Florham Park's officials made it worth it to alter your letterhead$).

I still have to stop myself from thinking of the school as "FDU-Madison", because when the Devils first appeared in the D3 tourney back in 1990 that's what they were called.

Perhaps the next name change will be to "Fairleigh Dickinson University College at Florham of Anaheim".  :D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on April 11, 2006, 10:29:30 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on April 11, 2006, 01:42:01 AM
Quote from: phil on April 10, 2006, 08:17:07 PMI just look forward to the day I can make the 10 minute drive from Chatham to watch TCNJ compete in a variety of regular season athletic contests against FDU Florham/Madison (how in the world you guys can't decide what town you're in I'll never know ... unless Florham Park's officials made it worth it to alter your letterhead$).

I still have to stop myself from thinking of the school as "FDU-Madison", because when the Devils first appeared in the D3 tourney back in 1990 that's what they were called.

Perhaps the next name change will be to "Fairleigh Dickinson University College at Florham of Anaheim".  :D

Fairley Rediculous University College at Florham Park of Madison of Morristown of Morris County of New Jersey of Anaheim would be appropriate
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 11, 2006, 01:44:08 PM
FDU FLORHAM? Did you just take up a whole page talking about them?


Wow.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on April 11, 2006, 06:40:29 PM
It looks like the Commonwealth, Centennial and NJAC boards are shutdown.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 12, 2006, 11:02:56 AM
Quote from: bill on April 10, 2006, 09:37:41 PM
By the way, what happened to all of the "old" posts before the sites were changed? I seem to think I posted quite a bit back then...Then I started over a few years ago at zero.....?


They have faded in Bolivian.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on April 13, 2006, 06:07:20 PM
Long time, no post here for me. 

Don't know if this is the place to post this.  But Kyle Myrick of Lincoln (whom most of the MAC saw first hand) was drafted by the USBL's NEPA Breakers playing in Scranton.  Why is this significant, because two of the Breaker's other picks were Lee Melcchioni and Scranton's favorite son G-mac.

-Leo
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 14, 2006, 08:07:04 AM
Quote from: Leo The Lion on April 13, 2006, 06:07:20 PM
Long time, no post here for me. 

Don't know if this is the place to post this.  But Kyle Myrick of Lincoln (whom most of the MAC saw first hand) was drafted by the USBL's NEPA Breakers playing in Scranton.  Why is this significant, because two of the Breaker's other picks were Lee Melcchioni and Scranton's favorite son G-mac.

-Leo


Drafted is one thing, are any actually going to play?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on April 15, 2006, 01:22:53 AM
I'm not myopic enough to think G-Mac is going to be a first round pick (OK, maybe by the Celtics...), but I'd think he'd at least have a shot at making an NBA roster, right?

Certainly seems like it's one thing to be drafted, and another to play...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on April 16, 2006, 10:18:00 PM
Colonel J

G-Mac already said thanks but no thanks.
Doubt very much G-Mac will go 1st round. Too many underclassmen and foreign players.
Maybe a 2nd round pick.

Where in Scranton is this USBL team going to play???  Any lights on that playground...lol
I guess the Wachovia Center is too expensive??   no dates???

Heard Lincoln may be moving up to DII.....any news on that?

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 16, 2006, 10:36:08 PM
Something important like that might have a link on the front page, naismith:
http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/?p=174
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 17, 2006, 02:47:41 PM
Quote from: naismith on April 16, 2006, 10:18:00 PM
Colonel J

G-Mac already said thanks but no thanks.
Doubt very much G-Mac will go 1st round. Too many underclassmen and foreign players.
Maybe a 2nd round pick.

Where in Scranton is this USBL team going to play???  Any lights on that playground...lol
I guess the Wachovia Center is too expensive??   no dates???

Heard Lincoln may be moving up to DII.....any news on that?




They are playing at Lackawanna College. Speaking of Wachovia Center, has it ever seen a d3 college basketball game?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on April 24, 2006, 04:24:03 PM
Little tardy in getting back to you....

The short answer is no...no DII or DIII hoops at the Wachovia. They did host the NCAA DIII wrestling championships just a few years ago.  Quite a few years ago, Fox Hill CC hosted the
NCAA DIII golf championship.
Now that Towson appears to want a few games.....why not a DIII, DII, DI tripleheader??
Or at least a doubleheader....

Kings, Scranton, Wilkes, Miseri, Keystone
Could be a non-conference game with anyone I would think.

I had illusions years ago that Kings-Wilkes would get together on an jt venture arena which could host a DIII Holiday festival. Sort of a Luzwerne-Lackawanna big  5 ....Still think the local schools need to utilize the arena for some hoops.

Naismith
   
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on April 26, 2006, 08:35:31 AM
And in a non-related issue, BALCO Legend Killers is beating the tar out of Let's Go Expos in their fantasy baseball head-to-head league.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 26, 2006, 11:28:40 AM
CC if i could give negative karma i would.



Naismith- good idea, I wonder how such an event would draw.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on April 30, 2006, 01:48:55 AM
Heh, "Let's Go Expos".  That's funny... because the Expos... hhuuuuhhhh

I named my team after my first baseman, "Albert's Poo-holes".  Almost named them after my shortstop.  "The Furcalcoholics"

My only concern with putting games like Scranton / Wilkes at the Wachovia Arena... one or two games recently haven't sold out the Long / Marts Center, let alone a 10,000 seat hockey arena.  And a King's Marywood game, well, you could count the attendance on Mordecai Brown's throwing hand.

My secondary concern... how well can the guards be expected to pivot on ice?  Can the big men really post up - how do they get leverage??  :D 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 01, 2006, 09:20:46 AM
Speaking of baseball, congrats to Scranton's baseball team. Best season since the 1980s. They have constantly been for lack of a better word, terrible and terrible for a long time. Looks like they are turning it around.


Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on May 10, 2006, 05:48:32 PM
Per Pat's front page this afternoon, Arcadia and Manhattanville will become members of the MAC Freedom. With Drew's defection, this means the Freedom will have nine venues.

At the same time, with the retreat of Juniata, Moravian, and Susquehanna to "greener" pastures elsewhere, the MAC Commonwealth will have all of five participants.

[Question: in the interests of balanced membership, will the MAC officials now decree that certain Freedom members move to the Commonwealth? Or is it possible that some new institutions will enter the latter?]
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: phil on May 10, 2006, 08:02:04 PM
Arcadia and Manhattanville huh ... I guess the other Freedom ADs will be sleeping soundly with these additions!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ronk on May 10, 2006, 10:42:10 PM
 Lycoming was missing from the list of Freedom members; inadvertent or  are they moving to the Commonwealth?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 11, 2006, 01:45:18 AM
Wasn't Arcadia University one of the two schools created when Duran Duran University split in half back in the eighties?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: phil on May 11, 2006, 09:11:40 AM
Gregory,
The other being Power Station University at Le Bon?

If nothing else, I'm sure the folks from the former Beaver College will enjoy those away game trips to Purchase, New York!

Seems like the MAC folks did a lot of work to find athletic programs which won't upset the status quo ... and that's as polite as I can put it.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on May 11, 2006, 09:32:45 AM
Quote from: phil on May 11, 2006, 09:11:40 AM
If nothing else, I'm sure the folks from the former Beaver College will enjoy those away game trips to Purchase, New York!

As will the people from Wilkes, King's, and Scranton. A trek from the Coal Regions to the northern suburbs of New York City ain't exactly a stroll in the park. On the other hand, the bus trips will provide ample time for catching up on homework assignments (say, a complete reading of several Platonic Dialogues or a couple of chapters from Wittgenstein's Tractatus).
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on May 11, 2006, 10:40:54 AM
Per the MAC Web-site: effective 01 August 2007, Lycoming will move to the MAC Commonwealth.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: phil on May 11, 2006, 10:44:33 AM
Scranton to Purchase, NY – the home of Mastercard:

• 270 Miles round-trip on mini-van or bus
• 5+ Hours to contemplate the upcoming game and its result
• The look in a kid's eyes as they see the Gordian Knot of rush hour traffic known as the Tappan Zee Bridge for the very first time ... PRICELESS

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Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 11, 2006, 10:51:26 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on May 11, 2006, 10:40:54 AM
Per the MAC Web-site: effective 01 August 2007, Lycoming will move to the MAC Commonwealth.


I am assuming Lyco volunteered for this? No big implications for the Freedom basketball wise I would think with the two new teams....
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on May 11, 2006, 10:57:50 AM
Quote from: phil on May 11, 2006, 10:44:33 AM
Scranton to Purchase, NY – the home of Mastercard:

• 270 Miles round-trip on mini-van or bus
• 5+ Hours to contemplate the upcoming game and its result
• The look in a kid's eyes as they see the Gordian Knot of rush hour traffic known as the Tappan Zee Bridge for the very first time ... PRICELESS

"PRICELESS," as well: when the Manhattanville players see their first cow on their first farm, their first abandoned coal mine with piles of mine-tailings, and drink in the beauty of downtown Scranton and Wilkes-Barre (BTW lest anyone think I'm unfairly picking on the Coal Regions, I need to point out that the Valiant ice hockey team has doubtless already experienced the charm of Lebanon County and our very own abandoned steel mill).
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 12, 2006, 05:16:29 AM
Quote from: phil on May 11, 2006, 10:44:33 AM
Scranton to Purchase, NY – the home of Mastercard:

And PepsiCo, IBM, and Texaco as well.

My upstate high school played Harrison High of Purchase in the state basketball tournament when I was a teenager. I remember some of my schoolmates holding up a sign that said, "Purchase New York: You can have it at cost for $24". Such is the upstater sentiment for the burg at the butt end of New York State, and its environs.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on May 14, 2006, 04:06:06 AM
Per the front page:
Arcadia joins Wilkes, King's, Scranton, DeSales, Delaware Valley and FDU-Florham in the Freedom Conference for basketball.
My credit to whoever did that listing, starting with the epicenter of Freedom League basketball, and working geographically outwards.  Clearly, relevance is based upon proximity to the Marts Center.  Many people would list institutions alphabetically, but for the Freedom League, it seems senseless to lead with Delaware Valley.

I'm surprised at the following:
1.) Drew leaves, FDU stays.  If we got rid of one of them, for the love of God, couldn't we get rid of both of them??  [Insert Adam Burdett rant on New Jersey HERE.]  Those two schools, literally across the street from one another, should be in the same conference.
2.) Lycoming to the Commonwealth.  It makes sense geographically for them, but I have to admit, I'll miss Lamade Indoor Stadium.
3.) Arcadia, I get.  Manhattanville?  Won't EVERY single road game in every sport be a tremendous road trip for them?  Ugh, and with the gas prices, suddenly, there's going to be a lot less money to go around and fake scholarships for athletes... I mean, ummm... purchase sneakers, field hockey sticks, and soccer nets.

Let the Colonel Crazies start making signs about Beaver College...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on May 14, 2006, 08:05:59 AM
I think I know why or part of the reason why Drew left the MAC.  I was watching the NJ12 news last night and they had a piece on how applications to Drew have almost doubled since they lowered the SAT requirements for the incoming class.  Looks like they might be going the way of Caldwell, Bloomfield and a couple of other NJ privates.  Is your kid to dumb to get into Seton Hall or Princeton?  Does you child have some embarrassing legal issues?   Don't worry we have a nice little private school here they can go to and you don't have to be embarrassed when telling where your kids are going to school.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on May 14, 2006, 08:20:39 AM
CJ4L:

Keep in mind that Manhattanville has one of the better (lower-level) D1 ice hockey teams competing in D3.  :P
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on May 14, 2006, 08:28:58 PM
You mean Drew is taking the low road and going to an open admissions policy like many other schools in this division?
Perhaps, again like many, they're doing this in an effort to get their enrollment up? I also heard the cost to go there may have dwindled the student population quite a bit.
Also, name one school that doesn't slide athletes in the backdoor. Unfortunately, some abuse their right and do it more than others, that's all.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopandtheharm on May 15, 2006, 11:39:05 AM
Pat/Anyone,

Any word on who will join the Interstate Eight since they only have seven?  Rumors say Elizabethtown or Lycoming but those are just rumors, didn't know if anyone else heard anything more solid? What would another loss do to the MAC? Is Interstate Eight their official name and do they have a website or posted nay news anywhere recently?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on May 15, 2006, 02:12:50 PM
Lyco and E-town aren't going anywhere....
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on May 15, 2006, 02:22:58 PM
Quote from: bill on May 15, 2006, 02:12:50 PM
Lyco and E-town aren't going anywhere....

The only place Lyco is going is to the MAC Commonwealth. Rumors about an E-town defection were circulating a month or so ago, but then were, I'm told, scotched by the E-town officials.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 15, 2006, 03:12:10 PM
Quote from: bill on May 15, 2006, 02:12:50 PM
Lyco and E-town aren't going anywhere....

Etown was pursuing the I-8 pretty strongly, from all I heard. In March it was apparently all but a done deal. Don't know where we stand now.

The conference does not have a name yet. It is hiring a full-time commissioner. I have not made myself a candidate. :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on May 15, 2006, 03:15:58 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 15, 2006, 03:12:10 PM
Quote from: bill on May 15, 2006, 02:12:50 PM
Lyco and E-town aren't going anywhere....

Etown was pursuing the I-8 pretty strongly, from all I heard. In March it was apparently all but a done deal. Don't know where we stand now.

The conference does not have a name yet. It is hiring a full-time commissioner. I have not made myself a candidate. :)

Who do I send the application and resume to?  I need a new job.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on May 15, 2006, 03:49:42 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 15, 2006, 03:12:10 PM
Quote from: bill on May 15, 2006, 02:12:50 PM
Lyco and E-town aren't going anywhere....
Etown was pursuing the I-8 pretty strongly, from all I heard. In March it was apparently all but a done deal. Don't know where we stand now.

Yes, reputable sources said this in March. Then, supposedly, the E-town president, when queried, said that E-town had not been invited, but if an invitation were given, the institution would give it very serious consideration.

In sum, does anyone know what the hell is going on?

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopandtheharm on May 15, 2006, 09:04:21 PM
I'm guessing they need ot add the eighth soon and since Pat typically gets the scoop, we'll have to stat yune din the ocming months! That could be a tough blow if they lose E-town but the MAC would easily be able to add members from neighboring conferences. Thanks for the inof Pat and Warren, you guys are top notch!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 16, 2006, 05:24:42 AM
Quote from: hoopandtheharm on May 15, 2006, 09:04:21 PM
I'm guessing they need ot add the eighth soon and since Pat typically gets the scoop, we'll have to stat yune din the ocming months!

Pat, did you add Babelfish to the Posting Up software?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on May 16, 2006, 07:38:15 AM
Quote from: bill on May 15, 2006, 02:12:50 PM
Lyco and E-town aren't going anywhere....

Completely off-topic, Bill, great picture of Churchill.

Greg, I believe the translation is "stay tuned in the coming months."
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 16, 2006, 07:48:53 AM
Good, because the last time I ordered stat yune din at a Szechwan restaurant, I had heartburn for a month.

To be fair, though, I love Ocming Dynasty art, especially the jade dragon figurines.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopandtheharm on May 16, 2006, 10:59:25 AM
If they last few posts are any indication, I'd say Pat did add bablefish :  )

I'll be sure to type better and even spell check!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 17, 2006, 03:35:38 PM
I read that Chesnut Hill is going D 2. What league? Yes CJ i know Chesnut Hill is the team that beat Scranton at Scranton. Aren't they a private school? Would be my last choice to be moving to D1 or D2...weird..
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on May 17, 2006, 04:42:54 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on May 17, 2006, 03:35:38 PM
I read that Chesnut Hill is going D 2. What league? Yes CJ i know Chesnut Hill is the team that beat Scranton at Scranton. Aren't they a private school? Would be my last choice to be moving to D1 or D2...weird..

What D2 league for Chestnut Hill? That's a mystery, so far. And, yes, they are private (Roman Catholic), formerly a women's institution in suburban Philly.

Why are they apparently intending to move down to D2? That's another mystery.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 17, 2006, 08:11:54 PM
Dunno. I hope that in Division II they aren't picky about posting scores. :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on May 17, 2006, 08:16:32 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 17, 2006, 08:11:54 PM
Dunno. I hope that in Division II they aren't picky about posting scores. :)

It wonders me why any institution would be be hesitant to post scores. Isn't that what an SID is paid to do? (Or am I missing something?)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 18, 2006, 10:30:06 AM
What is the rationale?


I guess you don't need the greatest facitlites in the world to move up to D2.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on May 19, 2006, 06:24:55 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on May 17, 2006, 03:35:38 PM
I read that Chesnut Hill is going D 2. What league? Yes CJ i know Chesnut Hill is the team that beat Scranton at Scranton.

I can take a hint as well as anyone.  Wait, wasn't Chestnut Hill 0-10... OHH AND TEN!... when they beat Scranton AT Scranton??  Quoting Randy Arnold, following some random heckler's comments at Wilkes regarding Chestnut Hill, "That was the worst game of my life."

But seriously, they know that at D-2, once they can offer scholarships, that the level of play tends to improve, right?  Heck, why not just go D-1.  Nah, one better - get a pro team.  Chestnut Hill needs an NBDL franchise.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 02, 2006, 12:35:09 PM
Recruits?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ronk on June 02, 2006, 10:52:42 PM
  Nothing yet about recruits but next season's bball schedule is up on the Scranton web site.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 06, 2006, 02:19:25 PM
Thanks, Ronk.



Pratt Institute?  ???

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on June 08, 2006, 11:46:34 AM
Recruiting?
Wilkes brought in some solid players, including a 6-7 perimeter kid that shoots lights out from behind the arc. They also landed an excellent low post player.
Don't know anything about King's.
Scranton lost some good ones but picked up a very good point guard from Brian O'Donnell's alma mater. The kid was the starting PG on a team that reached the state championship three straight years. Possible D-I transfer, but the odds are dwindling.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on June 11, 2006, 06:49:34 AM
A 6-7 perimeter kid?  The team dosn't even have a 6'7" low-post guy!  Hope the new fella underneath pans out.  Wilkes needs someone to guard "Lumpy" from UofS.

Last year, at this point, the off-season discussion centered around the possibility of an Australian transfer, and hilarity thereof.  (I mean 2 winters.  That HAS to suck!)  2 years ago, at this point, we discussed Pizza Summit III.

My larger point - let's start planning for Pizza Summit IV.

There are many questions to be answered:
In-season or Off-season?
Old Forge?  Annville?  Someplace else?
Pepperoni?  Sausage?  Ham and pineapple?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on June 11, 2006, 08:33:45 AM
The purest in me cringes at the thought of Ham and Pineapple on Pizza.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on June 12, 2006, 11:35:23 AM
Quote from: knightstalker on June 11, 2006, 08:33:45 AM
The purest in me cringes at the thought of Ham and Pineapple on Pizza.
Stalker, I swear the "Hawaiian" pizza is tasty, if made right.  If made wrong, it's everything you picture.  On another topic, as I was dining on some Sbarro yesterday, I made a realization - that's some thick crust, downright Old Forgian.  And no, we're not having Pizza Summit IV at the Sbarro in the Pittsburgh Airport.

Back to recruiting, I finally got the lowdown on the incoming Colonels.  (Lieutenant Colonels, for the time being)  The 6'6" perimeter player is Tom Kresge from Pleasant Valley, and he's no joke.  2-time Mountain Valley conference Player o' the Year.  Averaged 21.5 ppg and 11 boards a game.  Should make a heck of a 3.

The post player is from down my way, Anthony Gabriel from Trinity HS.  6'6" post player with actual low-post moves.  Put up 30 on a York Catholic squad that was a heartbeat away from a State Title.  With a propensity for making Catholics look bad, he'll fit in well beating King's and Scranton semiannually.

Looking forward to hearing about "recruits" from the rest of the conference.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 12, 2006, 01:17:39 PM
Sounds pretty good CJ. Maybe Wilkes can reclaim some of that old glory.


Scranton has been tight lipped on recruits, normally they are the first to release info.. ???
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on June 12, 2006, 02:52:51 PM
Gabriel put up 30 on a York Catholic team whose center is 6-1. Regardless, he's solid, as is Kresge.
CJ, you're living in the past. The brief run Wilkes enjoyed ended when Jannuzzi graduated. Check out what they've done since his departure.
Scranton brought in what they needed and that was a second point guard. The kid can play and will immediately.
King's got Logan Gabriel and Josh Kovalski. Gabriel spent a season at Syracuse as a walkon, but did get some mop up time in a few games two years ago.
I guess King's and Scranton (those Catholic schools that will be beaten by Wilkes semi-annually) will have to get used to battling for second place.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on June 13, 2006, 12:09:51 PM
Quote from: cold_case on June 12, 2006, 02:52:51 PM
CJ, you're living in the past. The brief run Wilkes enjoyed ended when Jannuzzi graduated. Check out what they've done since his departure.
May I cite the most recent game played in the MAC Freedom, Wilkes at Scranton for the Title.  Scranton wins at home, and a gambler such as yourself should know home court counts for 3.  If this runs is so "over" how did Wilkes get up by double digits in the 2nd half?  There are about a dozen different ways to complete the following sentence:

We were a(n) _________ away from Wilkes cutting down the nets.

Suitable answers include (a) no-call on Shovlin's final drive, (b) 2nd half injury to Walters, (c) couple early fouls on Shovlin, (d) pair of free throws, (e) putback underneath, etc, etc... Losing a title game by one, on the road, hardly signifies a weak team.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on June 13, 2006, 03:19:44 PM
Finally some recruiting info

Cold Case:
- Who is this Kovalski you speak of, is he a local product?
- Any idea what year of eligibility the younger Gabriel will be in? Junior? Sophomore?

CJ4L:
My answer to your multible choice question is choice B
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on June 14, 2006, 08:03:09 AM
Leo, Josh Kovalski is from Crestwood and can shoot. Gabriel will be a sophomore. Everyone believed he would go to King's out of high school like his brother, Landon, but opted to give it a shot at Syracuse. Can't fault him for trying.

CJ, I never said Wilkes was weak, just said they're not as good as the Jannuzzi years. Scranton is not nearly as good as the teams they once put on the floor either.
I remember an NCAA game back in the late '90's when "powerful" (and they were very good) Wilkes beat not-so-good Scranton with a pair of free throws with one second left to play. There were a few bad calls in that game but nobody said a word about it. Now you're drumming up reasons why Wilkes lost this year. Apparently the shoe is on the other foot?
I also posted before that game that the winner will get hammered in the NCAA's and they did.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on June 14, 2006, 03:28:52 PM
CC,
OK - fair explanation.  True, the 5 years since Jannuzzi's absence (0 MAC-F Titles) don't quite have the same magic as the "5" years with #44 (4 MAC-F Titles, Fnal Four in '98).  I'll defend these recent Colonels for having played in 2 or 3 title games over that stretch, but yeah, the numbers just don't match up.  Agreed that this Scranton team that won the Freedom couldn't stay on the floor with any of Bess's conference winners.

That agreement aside, Wilkes did have success before Jannuzzi came on the scene, with Elite 8's in 95 and 96.  1995:  25-5 (12-2), 1996 28-2 (14-0) 

28-2, and 14-0 in '96 - those are numbers no one in MAC-F has seen since and very few (if anyone) saw before.  And I bring up the margin of victory in February merely to show that success post-Jannuzzi is possible.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on June 14, 2006, 03:34:53 PM
Quote from: cold_case on June 12, 2006, 02:52:51 PM
The brief run Wilkes enjoyed ended when Jannuzzi graduated.
Quick side note, when did 7-10 years become brief?  What King's had last year, that 1 consecutive title they had... THAT is brief.  (F'n King's..)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on June 14, 2006, 08:31:36 PM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on June 14, 2006, 03:28:52 PM
28-2, and 14-0 in '96 - those are numbers no one in MAC-F has seen since and very few (if anyone) saw before.  And I bring up the margin of victory in February merely to show that success post-Jannuzzi is possible.

Wilkes was the only team to post an unbeaten Freedom mark. Before the Freedom, there was the MAC Northeast and Northwest. Scranton managed to go unbeaten in the Northeast section back in their national title year of 1983, but not sure of the record.
Although Scranton remained competitive during the years you brought up, the program was deteriorating while King's just simply floundered.
It's no coincidence since both of the latter schools switched to young coaches along with other schools, there is more balance in the Freedom. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 15, 2006, 01:01:30 PM
Has anyone other than Lyco, Kings, Wilkes or Scranton ever won the Freedom?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on June 15, 2006, 02:50:10 PM
The short answer is no... however, the long answer is :
1. The MAC has only contested championships in Com./Freedom formats since 2000.
2. From 1994-1999, it was an overall champ...
3. Pre 1994, it was the North/South format....

I know that Drew, Upsala, and FDU never won, although FDU came close several times...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on June 15, 2006, 05:14:18 PM
Quote from: bill on June 15, 2006, 02:50:10 PM
The short answer is no... however, the long answer is :
1. The MAC has only contested championships in Com./Freedom formats since 2000.
2. From 1994-1999, it was an overall champ...
3. Pre 1994, it was the North/South format....

I know that Drew, Upsala, and FDU never won, although FDU came close several times...


Upsala may not have won the MAC but they did win an early D-III title.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on June 15, 2006, 06:15:52 PM
Knightstalker

Not trying to be a wise ass here, but when?
I'm just getting my info from the MAC history/archives part of their website, which I know could be wrong....It's certainly wrong about some  things like all-MAC choices....

I do know Upsala had some fabulous baseball teams early on, from the stories that I hear!

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 15, 2006, 06:17:26 PM
Upsala actually never won a D-III national title but was runner-up in 1980.

http://www.d3hoops.com/archives/mncaa80.htm
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on June 15, 2006, 06:46:59 PM
I thought they did win one title.  Thats what I get for posting and not double checking.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on June 15, 2006, 07:02:06 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on June 15, 2006, 06:17:26 PM
Upsala actually never won a D-III national title but was runner-up in 1980.

http://www.d3hoops.com/archives/mncaa80.htm

Wasn't it several years after this that Upsala got in trouble with the NCAA? I don't remember the exact year ....
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 16, 2006, 08:19:22 AM
Okay someone give me a dissertation on the history of Upsala.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on June 16, 2006, 08:38:24 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on June 16, 2006, 08:19:22 AM
Okay someone give me a dissertation on the history of Upsala.

As I recall, Upsala was nailed for illegal monetary aid given to players by off-campus people. It must have been fairly serious for the NCAA to move on it.

(Those of you with more exact details, please chime in.)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on June 16, 2006, 09:15:24 AM
I don't know the whole history but I do know that they lost to NJCU then JCSC in football and the next year the college was defunct.

I think Upsala died from shame.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on June 16, 2006, 10:58:55 AM
Upsala closed its doors due to a severe lack of funds. They were far from a financially endowed institution.
Knowing the school was on the brink of closing, the women's basketball team picked up several Division I transfers the final year of existence and got caught shelling out $$$. Where that money came from is anyones guess, but that's "allegedly" what happened.
Their mens team never won an MAC crown but they put some great teams on the floor.
Without question, one of their best-ever teams was the 1979-80 squad led by center Steve Keenan and guard Fennell Fowlkes, whose brother Tyrone later played at Scranton.
Upsala had other excellent teams coached by Richie Adubato but could never get past Scranton and Widener when it came time for NCAA play.
Adubato later coached the Detroit Pistons and I also believe he coached the NY Liberty of the WNBA.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on June 16, 2006, 11:32:24 AM
He was the first coach of the Liberty, you are correct cold case.  Carol Blazekowski sp played for the Montclair team the played UCLA in the womens championship tournament back in the days of the WIAA or whatever it was called.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on June 16, 2006, 02:10:20 PM
Since 2000, the automatic NCAA bid has gone to the Freedom postseason tournament winner, meaning 1 plays 4 and 2 plays 3.  Your champions:

2000: Scranton
2001: Wilkes
2002: Lycoming
2003: Scranton
2004: Lycoming
2005: King's
2006: Scranton

Prior to that the top 4 Freedom would play the top 4 Commonwealth, with the winner getting an automatic bid.  I remember 1999 (Wilkes over Leb Val) and 1998 (Wilkes over Scranton).  My selective memory fails me on Champs from 1997 and back.

But, again, the short answer is "no".

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on June 16, 2006, 02:14:54 PM
stalker, I remember Montclair being a big-time power in the old AIAW. Back then, the teams to beat, are you ready for this, Montclair, Cheyney St. and the Mighy Macs of Immaculata, among others.
Back to Adubato, I'm pretty sure he replaced Dukie V. as head coach of the Pistons. Dukie had a poor record and was quickly ousted. I think Adubato did a decent job when he took over. He later became an assistant with the Knicks.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 19, 2006, 02:34:11 PM
That is about what I figured for titles CJ. Thanks for the post.
Title: This will make Cjs day
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 28, 2006, 09:05:38 AM
50 GREATEST GAMES
Written by Joby Fawcett / Researched by Mark Coons 06/28/2006Email to a friendPrinter-friendly
Tim Smallwood hit the shot heard around the area.

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With a bank shot from just inside half court, the guard ended years of frustration for the Marywood University men's basketball team with a 73-72 overtime win over the more-decorated Univerisyt of Scranton Royals at the John Long Center.

His basket set off a wild celebration by the Pacers, who had never defeated their cross-town rivals.

For most of the night, the Pacers appeared to be the better team. They jetted to a 20-3 advantage in the first half and had an almost comfortable 33-13 lead with 3:34 to play in the first half.

Stunned, the Royals fought all the way back.


Scranton Prep graduate Matt Snyder finally gave the Royals the lead, 56-54, with a pair of free throws with 4:57 to play.

Trailing by five, Marywood made one last push and tied the game at 66 and forcing overtime.

During the final 20 seconds of overtime, the Royals, who made only 50 percent of their free throws in the game, made one of three from the stripe and failed to build on a 72-70 lead before Smallwood's improbable shot.

The victory got the Pacers off to a 3-1 start as Smallwood led the way with a game-high 21 points. Marywood struggled the remainder of the season, finishing 6-18.

Freshman Mike McGowan led the Royals, who went on to finish 5-20 overall, with 17 points, and Ryan Rogan, who later finished his career at Marywood, added 14.

KEY MOMENT

Without question, Smallwood's shot. But another important part of the game-winner was Isiah Walker's pass that gave Smallwood the opportunity to hit the famous shot.

BY THE NUMBERS

6
3-point goals made by Smallwood, including the game-winner

18
Combined 3-pointers made by both teams

38
Free throws attempted by Scranton, which made only 19

1,144
More wins by Scranton's program in its 87-year history as compared to the Pacers, who had only 44 overall wins before this game in 10 seasons

WHAT WAS SAID. . .
"As soon as I launched it, I knew it was going in. And I knew it was going to be a bank, too."
- Pacers guard Tim Smallwood


http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=16847774&BRD=2185&PAG=461&dept_id=416049&rfi=6
Title: Absolutely made my day!
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on June 29, 2006, 02:57:46 AM
It's funny.  I read the article... THEN I saw the "subject" line of that post.  Brilliance.

Scranton was 5-20 in '03-'04.  GOD, I miss those days.  Times were so much simpler.  Then-Freedom member Lycoming was benign.  DeSales would go 13-3 in the regular season, and then flop in the first round of the playoffs.  King's was Brian Horgan, and a bunch of zeroes.  I miss '03-'04...

If this is Game #47 in the Top 50, judging by what's made it so far, we can only guess at the next 46.  Seriously, despite this being a men's board, I'll nominate the Lady Royals over Bowdoin in the Elite 8 for a Top 25 spot.

If the countdown extends to Wilkes-Barre, I'll nominate the Wilkes - Rowan, and Catholic - Hunter Sweet 16 weekend of 1998, widely regarded by many as the best (non Final 4) night of D3 basketball ever.  Two games, BOTH going Double OT, win or go home.  A night like that may never happen again.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on June 29, 2006, 07:14:43 PM
If they're writing about the 50 "Greatest Games" in the area, I hope someone with an ounce of gray matter writes about the 1982-83 Mid-Atlantic Regional final between Widener and Scranton. Triple OT and it was anyone's game to win until four seconds remained.
They can add the Wilkes victory over Cabrini in the Mid-Atlantic Regionals when Jay Williams drilled a pile of three-pointers down the stretch to snatch a victory.
If they're looking for the most "Improbable Comeback" that would be the 1977 game between Kutztown and Scranton in the opening round of the Monarch Classic at King's. Down six with seven seconds left and without possession of the ball, Scranton, thanks to stupidity on Kutztown's part, got the win on a desperation 35-footer from Phil Johnson.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on June 30, 2006, 06:15:22 AM
However, if it turns into a Greatest Upset countdown, one need only look to November 1992 for your #1.  Wilkes, who at that point was nobody, with a rookie head coach, goes to the Long Center for the Laurel Line tournament. At the LL Tourney, Scranton perennially beat Marywood and then beat Wilkes / Misericordia, generally with a final score of 120-6.  Long story short, Wilkes pulls off the upset, their first win over Scranton. 

My fear, though, is that any Scranton Times countdown ends up with Gerry McNamara at #1.  The top 3 Scranton sports moments, as I predict them:

3. McNamara hits 6 first half 3's, as Syracuse wins National Title (2003)
2. McNamara leads "the crappy Scranton Bishop school" to a State Title (2002)
1. McNamara wears his "Overrated" t-shirt, winning the Big East Title (2006)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 30, 2006, 08:44:27 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on June 30, 2006, 06:15:22 AM
However, if it turns into a Greatest Upset countdown, one need only look to November 1992 for your #1.  Wilkes, who at that point was nobody, with a rookie head coach, goes to the Long Center for the Laurel Line tournament. At the LL Tourney, Scranton perennially beat Marywood and then beat Wilkes / Misericordia, generally with a final score of 120-6.  Long story short, Wilkes pulls off the upset, their first win over Scranton. 

My fear, though, is that any Scranton Times countdown ends up with Gerry McNamara at #1.  The top 3 Scranton sports moments, as I predict them:

3. McNamara hits 6 first half 3's, as Syracuse wins National Title (2003)
2. McNamara leads "the crappy Scranton Bishop school" to a State Title (2002)
1. McNamara wears his "Overrated" t-shirt, winning the Big East Title (2006)


I don't think they get the Scranton Times in the Syracuse area , so you might not have to worry. Alright enough with all the upsets of scranton. Cold Case, what was Scranton's biggest upset?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on June 30, 2006, 01:15:18 PM
Possibly the biggest Scranton upset of a pretty good team came in 1969 when the Royals knocked off Seton Hall 77/76 in OT. Granted the Hall was not the Hall of today , but for that era they were still Big time B-ball. They were also coached by none other than Bill Rafftery. The game that comes in as either a close second or perhaps the biggest win depending on who you talk to would be Scranton knocking off Army 57/55 in 1976. In that win, Bess "outcoached" another pretty good basketball mind by the name of Mike Krzyzewski. And CJ, that "crappy" school GMac went to & won a State Title in Scranton...they just keep on winning don't they...another State Final this year . All things considered...probably not much different than that "crappy Bishop" school down Kingston way!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on July 02, 2006, 02:57:27 AM
'Toga, a little friendly rivalry.  We agree that either school is better than the crappiest Bishop in Dunmore. :)  Hannan only got their State title when an NBA-caliber PG rolled through.  O'Reilly racked up two with a tall guy and a low-level D-1 PG.

Bess and Coach K in the same building.  Wow.  There's a joke to be had here, but, for the life of me, I got nothing.  ("Sheesh, 1300 wins and not ONE _______ between them.")  I sense a game of "Match Game 06" about to break out. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on July 06, 2006, 09:59:04 AM
50 GREATEST GAMES

#39

Scranton vs. Wittenberg
-Men's basketball
-March 19, 1983

http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=16884083&BRD=2185&PAG=461&dept_id=416049&rfi=6
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on July 11, 2006, 09:28:51 AM
I don't know, those 13 more free throws for the Royals... sounds a little suspicious.   ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Gregory Sager on July 12, 2006, 03:10:27 AM
Quote from: cold_case on June 16, 2006, 10:58:55 AM
Without question, one of their best-ever teams was the 1979-80 squad led by center Steve Keenan and guard Fennell Fowlkes, whose brother Tyrone later played at Scranton.

Don't forget their waterbug PG, Elonya "Tiny" Green. He's the guy who put the ball in Keenan's hands, and he was a pretty dynamic scorer in his own right.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on July 12, 2006, 10:04:54 PM
Greg, good follow up with Green. I forgot about the little guy.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on July 13, 2006, 09:00:44 AM
Scranton landed an all-stater from NY and Alfier's younger brother.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on August 10, 2006, 10:42:44 AM
Any more recruiting info?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on August 12, 2006, 01:30:26 PM
I need directions to Pizza Summit 2006. I'll bring the Papa Johns!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach C on August 14, 2006, 12:51:42 PM
I have not attended since Pizza Summit 1.  Am I still on the invite list?

C
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on August 16, 2006, 03:18:57 AM
Coach C,
Though I don't make the formal invite, I'd be stunned if you weren't on the list.  As the kids say, you have "cred."

SJ Guy,
For even suggesting Papa John's, you most likely just cost yourself an invite.

I defer to those who have attended all three Summits for declaration of location and date.  If Warren Thompson and / or the Clan Burdett are reading, please send down wisdom from the mountains.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on August 16, 2006, 07:37:58 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on August 16, 2006, 03:18:57 AM
Coach C,
Though I don't make the formal invite, I'd be stunned if you weren't on the list.  As the kids say, you have "cred."

SJ Guy,
For even suggesting Papa John's, you most likely just cost yourself an invite.

I defer to those who have attended all three Summits for declaration of location and date.  If Warren Thompson and / or the Clan Burdett are reading, please send down wisdom from the mountains.

Herewith some "wisdom" from Lebanon: I'd be happy to host a Summit next summer; right now, I'm tied up with various projects, including preparation for teaching my class this fall.

Coach C is definitely on the invitee list. In fact, he's been invited to each of the previous Summits.

Papa John's, Domino's, Pizza Hut ... these are obscenities not to be mentioned in tandem with the word pizza.

[Now that Webmeister Pat is relocating to Connecticut, we may have to chip in for a charter flight to get him to a Summit in Pennsylvania. ]
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: diehardfan on August 16, 2006, 12:34:00 PM
I can't believe you guys are finally having another one now that I've moved... that's not very nice.  :'( :P
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on August 16, 2006, 04:11:49 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on August 16, 2006, 12:34:00 PM
I can't believe you guys are finally having another one now that I've moved... that's not very nice.  :'( :P

April, you have a standing invitation. Of course, actually attending a Summit session seems to hinge on when you finally decide that it's just not normal to live in perpetual sunshine where the surf's always up.  :)

{On the other hand, maybe we can book you on the same charter flight with Pat Coleman ...  and bring that Wooster-guy lawyer with you. Connecticut to LA to Pennsylvania ain't much of a detour, is it?}
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: diehardfan on August 17, 2006, 12:29:21 AM
lol... oh trust me, I'm well aware of the fact that it's not normal here  :D

There is a great place to get pizza out here, yum.... just went there last week. There was also a pretty incredible one in portland... Hmm... everyone could just come out here...  :P
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 17, 2006, 12:55:28 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on August 16, 2006, 07:37:58 AM
[Now that Webmeister Pat is relocating to Connecticut, we may have to chip in for a charter flight to get him to a Summit in Pennsylvania. ]

Depends on where said summit is held. I'm closer to Wilkes-Barre in my new job than I was in my old one.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: diplomaniac1 on August 17, 2006, 11:26:48 AM

Judging by the amount of discussion that the Pizza Summit has generated, everyone must be getting an itch for the new season to begin. After all, it is just about three months away!

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on August 17, 2006, 12:00:31 PM
who is diehardfan?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: diehardfan on August 17, 2006, 03:54:21 PM
Awwww.... :(

I wonder about that sometimes myself. :D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on August 17, 2006, 03:57:45 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on August 17, 2006, 12:00:31 PM
who is diehardfan?

We're sworn in blood not to tell ....
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on August 18, 2006, 06:33:36 AM
Pat, for that matter, you're also closer to the legendary Old Forge.  In other news, I wasn't aware of your move - congrats on residing in the Nutmeg State.

I've met people who've met DieHard, but I've never met her myself.  In the "6 degrees of April" game, I'm solidly in that 2nd circle.  Regardless, Warren offers the invite... she's in.

And has it been nearly 2 years (to the day?) since the most recent Summit at Napoli?  2 years already... yikes.  PS-IV needs to happen.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: diehardfan on August 18, 2006, 01:36:40 PM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on August 18, 2006, 06:33:36 AM
I've met people who've met DieHard, but I've never met her myself.  In the "6 degrees of April" game, I'm solidly in that 2nd circle.  Regardless, Warren offers the invite... she's in.

And has it been nearly 2 years (to the day?) since the most recent Summit at Napoli?  2 years already... yikes.  PS-IV needs to happen.

It has been two years... at least. I lived in NOVA for almost a year and a half after college and you never had one... and I've been in Cali for 10 months.

At least on the basketaball board, I wouldn't be at all surprised if there could be a six degrees of April game at all... or if it wouldn't take most people much less times than six. Since I've met almost all the d3hoops.com staff, all the HOFers but Coach C, and I've lived on the east coast (the MAC leagues saved my eyes, let me tell you, the CAC was sometimes painful to watch!), and the west coast, and in the midwest since I started posting, and have attended numerous basketball games in each, and always make a point to meet as many fellow fans as possible... Geeze, I really get around, don't I. :-[  :D

If the Pizza summit is held between Christmas and new years, I might be able to attend anyway. I'm also going home at random points to help my baby sister get ready for her wedding (being the maid of honor and 3000 miles away is a little stressful logistically!) and other nonsense, so there may be an off chance that I'll be in town. If I ever resettle back in the homeland, I'd love to be a regular attender.
Title: DID SOMEONE SAY PIZZA????
Post by: mattie on August 19, 2006, 02:43:28 PM
Well with the Pittston Salmanella (er Tomato) Festival in full swing, it is time for the Burdett Clan as we are known, to once again grace the pages of D3Hoops.  Incidentally to those who don't know, my hometown of Pittston is the Quality Tomato Capital of the World, brought to you by a city where maybe five people are capable of growing even a respectable tomato.  the rest go to Papa John's and Domino's to pass off to the losers that frequent those establishments.
And the salmanella refers to an incident around 1985 where 12 people were hospitalized with poisoning from a rouge bunch of mozzarella sticks.  On a side note, my sister was one of them and happened to run into an ex boyfriend when she was dropping off her specimen at the Nesbitt Hospital.  But enough about that.
The Burdetts are always up for a Pizza Summit, but with band and football season two weeks away, we go away until around Thanksgiving so it may have to pass until then.
Finally as a reporter for the company putting out the 50 Greatest games in Scranton, I would put my vote in for a wiffle ball game I participated in around 1984.  The score was about 35-33 and the lead switched maybe 10 times in a six inning game.  don't think it will make the list but it is worth a shot.
A real list would be if the Sunday Dispatch in Pittston did a 50 greatest Seton Catholic Sports Moments, the topper being when Karim Twyman of GAR blocked a shot off the old scoreboard in the corner, knocking out the power in the building.  It was incredible to see at the height of GAR basketball.
Most of this is just for the enjoyment of the locals, and I am sure Colonel John is laughing about all this.  I am still waiting for my invitation to your wedding so you know where to send it.
Take care.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on August 20, 2006, 06:43:48 AM
Mattie,
Umm, yeah, that invite... must have... ummm... [turns head and whistles] To answer your question, though I didn't attend, I remember the game in question.  I'll humbly submit the 1997 Girls basketball District Championship game.  Seton lost the game, but they tried, dammit!  War Eagle!

Everyone else,
Great news, I officially got married 2 weeks ago, and had a lovely honeymoon.

And the Burdetts are out until after Thanksgiving... no problem.  What are the chances of a Pizza Summit in SWB somewhere on Wednesday, Nov 29th.  Get pizza from 5-7ish, and then catch Lycoming at Wilkes at 8.

If not, January 10th, Wilkes at King's, same plan applies.  It's a quick 20 minutes from Old Forge to the Scandlon Gymnasium.  Just a thought.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach C on August 22, 2006, 06:21:07 PM
CJ4L -

Thanks for the props.

Papa John's?????????????

NFW

C
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on August 25, 2006, 10:04:35 AM
Elizabethtown Men Defeat TSV-Munich 90-61 in Final Game of Germany Trip
Aug 24, 2006
Press Release posted by Elizabethtown
MUNICH, Bavaria, Germany --- The Elizabethtown College men's basketball team won its final game in Germany Sunday with a 90-61 defeat of host club TSV-München Ost.

Luke Ledyard (Frederick, MD/Gov. Thomas Johnson) led Elizabethtown in scoring with 25 points in the game, and Michael Schatzmann (Paradise, PA/Pequea Valley) added 21 points for the Blue Jays.

TSV-Munich East is coached by Bill Bessior, a 1985 alumnus of the University of Scranton and son of former Scranton head coach Bob Bessior
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on August 26, 2006, 03:50:57 PM
Wilkes:

Welcome aboard.  Here's the information we have on the MAC's new allignment as of earlier this spring.  Keep in mind this takes affect in 2007-2008, not this season.

MAC-Commonwealth

Albright
Elizabethtown
Lebanon Valley
Lycoming
Messiah
Widener

MAC-Freedom

Arcadia
Delaware Valley
DeSales
FDU-Florham
King's
Manhattanville
Scranton
Wilkes


There's a chance another team or two will be added to the MAC-Commonwealth side.  Alvernia has been mentioned in that capacity before.  Of course, there's also a chance that one of the MAC teams could leave, too.

You can read more about the conference changes here -- http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/index.php?paged=2
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on September 16, 2006, 06:15:25 AM
Redshirt.  They're saving him for a big 2009 season.   

:P  No, honestly, I have no idea.  I just know that this isn't good...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: diehardfan on September 18, 2006, 04:34:24 PM
I'm just guessing here, but since it's supposed to be for personal reasons, I'm not sure he'd want the reasons posted on a basketball chat board for all to read. :P ;)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 20, 2006, 08:00:10 AM
Just why should we know this (assuming it's true, to begin with)? If the man has had private difficulties, let them stay private. He's entitled to that much decency.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on September 20, 2006, 05:22:59 PM
Moderators-
Look, I'm in no way a Wilkes fan, but can we please get the above post about the Wilkes player deleted? This is all heresay, and it doesn't belong here.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 20, 2006, 05:26:42 PM
Amen, Bill ....
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: diehardfan on September 20, 2006, 05:27:42 PM
I can't believe I tried to stop that before it happened, and it still happened anyway.  :-\
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 20, 2006, 05:48:46 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on September 20, 2006, 05:27:42 PM
I can't believe I tried to stop that before it happened, and it still happened anyway.  :-\

dhf: Unfortunately, we often tilt at windmills ... and with predictable results. Never underestimate the ability of some to do the very worst thing. :'(
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on September 20, 2006, 09:56:33 PM
Unfortunatly when you have message boards, this type of stuff is going to get posted. I would imagine it will be a topic of discussion/speculation all season long.


Worse things are going on in basketball right now, see the Duquesne basketball situation.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 20, 2006, 10:19:42 PM
Hey, guys, why wouldn't you report that post to me so I could get it deleted faster? Sheesh.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 20, 2006, 10:56:11 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 20, 2006, 10:19:42 PM
Hey, guys, why wouldn't you report that post to me so I could get it deleted faster? Sheesh.

Correct, I should have ....  :-[
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: diehardfan on September 21, 2006, 01:21:44 PM
I like how Pat deleted the origninal post too, so no one has any idea what the row of posts on this page is about.  :D

Secret stuff guys, not for your eyes. Hmm.... :P

Seriously though, I'm glad it was deleted!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on September 22, 2006, 09:10:33 AM
I may be wrong on this...but the certain Wilkes player that has left the team & school, was that situation not reported in the WilkesBarre paper? If it was and it is now public knowledge, why is discussing this topic & the impact it MAY have on Wilkes this season and beyond taboo? In past years there has always been discussion on players coming & going so why is this case any different? I agree that just throwing out guesses as to why this happened is wrong, but let's face it...this player & Coach Rickrode never really saw things the same way and in all honesty, I think what happened was never a question of IF...it was more like WHEN.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 23, 2006, 08:58:13 AM
Quote from: saratoga on September 22, 2006, 09:10:33 AM
If it was and it is now public knowledge, why is discussing this topic & the impact it MAY have on Wilkes this season and beyond taboo?

It's not taboo to discuss his leaving and its impact on the team. However, the removed post made some unsupported specific allegations about why Shovlin left the team. That was deemed unacceptable.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on September 27, 2006, 11:56:03 PM
Is it inhumane that my first thought was "Wonder how this affects the team..." ?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on September 28, 2006, 11:43:12 AM
Makes the Royal fan very happy. Who is going to replace him at the point?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on September 29, 2006, 06:15:58 AM
As I understand it, there's a 6'1" guard who used to be at College of Charleston coming in to help us out.  Unless that mythical C of C transfer is already here...

More seriously, there are Freshmen coming in who may jump right into the PG role.  Less seriously, hey, does Bob Colarco have any eligibility left?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 29, 2006, 07:09:02 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on September 29, 2006, 06:15:58 AM
As I understand it, there's a 6'1" guard who used to be at College of Charleston coming in to help us out.  Unless that mythical C of C transfer is already here...

There's a whole slew of C of C folks, disenchanted with the big time, eager to move north. Unfortunately, none of their maps show the Wilkes-Barre area. The only C of C player who did make it to the Coal Regions and somehow discovered the Wilkes campus was unable to find Rickrode's office. Apparently, he's still looking ....
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 12, 2006, 10:00:03 AM
First day of practice coming up , schedules released...rosters up.......nothing to talk about?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on October 15, 2006, 06:28:04 AM
I've got one game circled for selfish reasons.  Wilkes at Penn State - Harrisburg.

So, umm, yeah, NEPA Fan, I got "nuthin'", using the vernacular for "nothing"... you?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on October 19, 2006, 03:46:02 PM
Colonel,

With practices in full swing, bout time I showed my face....

Papa Colonel has been out of touch....rarely a sighting these days.

By the way, I always thoought of MG as the point and CS as the two...whatever...
MG is back and JK will probably be the 2. He can shoot it with the best.

Wilkes has some backups that should be ok I would think.

It's Wilkes inside game that will be interesting to watch this year. With GC and EW gone, some of the inside players will have to develop quickly.....

We shall see ................

As far as Kings, a former asst. said they didn't recruit much with everyone back. Syracuse walk-on Landon (related to Gabriel) transferred to Kings (I think). Should add to their talented back court. Other than that, with Sobo and Scalzo back, Monarchs look formidable....
Anyone hear about the Bloom transfer from last year...Rick ?...had a bad back at the end of last year. Did he return??

Any Scranton updates? DeSales? Lyco?


Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 20, 2006, 05:31:49 PM
Can anyone give insight on the few new locals on Scranton's squad : Eli londo and Chris Osborne?


How does King's not recruit....?


Lyco's roster is up on their website.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on October 25, 2006, 10:31:29 PM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on October 15, 2006, 06:28:04 AM
I've got one game circled for selfish reasons.  Wilkes at Penn State - Harrisburg.

So, umm, yeah, NEPA Fan, I got "nuthin'", using the vernacular for "nothing"... you?


I was going to rip on Wilkes for their schedule, but Scranton's looks equally as soft.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on October 27, 2006, 03:23:08 AM
Looking at the Scranton website is IMPOSSIBLE on dial-up.  Someone should tell Toby that bigger is not always better.  Though, before I was able to scroll all the way down to irrelevant information like a schedule or a roster, one can not underscore the importance of links to local restaurants.

Once the page loads, Scranton has large pictures of their four best players at the top of the page.  My question is this: how does "Lumpy" make this Mount Rushmore?

Guy SJ, Scranton's schedule isn't as much of a cupcake as you might think.  Moravian, Catholic, and TCNJ (admittedly all at home) make up a decent season.  Though, I have to wonder, driving directions are given out to almost all of the games.  Why not give driving directions to the games in Las Vegas?  I imagine it'd go something like this: Turn RIGHT onto Cntrl Scr Expwy.  1.3 miles.  Merge LEFT onto I-81 South.  32.8 miles.  Turn RIGHT onto I-80 West.  2,230 miles.  Exit.

Finally, Scranton, you have 2 captains and 2 Seniors.  It should be an easy pick, but no, Scranton's captains are Sr. Darren Cannon and Jr. Randy Arnold.  Why can't both Seniors be captains?  Let Lumpy wear a "C" on his chest!  Make Kreuter a Tri-Captain! ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on October 28, 2006, 07:45:12 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on October 20, 2006, 05:31:49 PM
Can anyone give insight on the few new locals on Scranton's squad : Eli londo and Chris Osborne?


How does King's not recruit....?

NEPA,

Maybe I didn't write it correctly.

I spoke with a fellow close to the Kings program. He was once an assistant coach and remains in touch with JP and the program.

The gist of his comments were that Kings had not added much as they had everyone back for another year. That doesn't mean he didn't recruit but that, perhaps, no 'immediate' impact players were added.

I haven't seen 'Landon the Younger' play but anyone who can 'walk on' a DI program with the tradition of the Orangemen and, then, actually log a few minutes must have some 'game'.

I'm sure all the Freedom League squads have additions they believe have promise.

I am sure JR has a few over at Wilkes.  He was all smiles and peppy when I saw him at Ralston Field for a Colonel grid contest.

Actually Wilkes---ex-CS---makes for an interesting season. We shall see if youth is served....lol

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 30, 2006, 12:32:28 PM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on October 27, 2006, 03:23:08 AM
Looking at the Scranton website is IMPOSSIBLE on dial-up.  Someone should tell Toby that bigger is not always better.  Though, before I was able to scroll all the way down to irrelevant information like a schedule or a roster, one can not underscore the importance of links to local restaurants.

Once the page loads, Scranton has large pictures of their four best players at the top of the page.  My question is this: how does "Lumpy" make this Mount Rushmore?

Guy SJ, Scranton's schedule isn't as much of a cupcake as you might think.  Moravian, Catholic, and TCNJ (admittedly all at home) make up a decent season.  Though, I have to wonder, driving directions are given out to almost all of the games.  Why not give driving directions to the games in Las Vegas?  I imagine it'd go something like this: Turn RIGHT onto Cntrl Scr Expwy.  1.3 miles.  Merge LEFT onto I-81 South.  32.8 miles.  Turn RIGHT onto I-80 West.  2,230 miles.  Exit.

Finally, Scranton, you have 2 captains and 2 Seniors.  It should be an easy pick, but no, Scranton's captains are Sr. Darren Cannon and Jr. Randy Arnold.  Why can't both Seniors be captains?  Let Lumpy wear a "C" on his chest!  Make Kreuter a Tri-Captain! ;D


First of all, who still has dial up? Second, why don't you send a nice email to toby or southard? I am sure they might be willing to upgrade their site to be on par with Duke, UNC, etc.


Thanks for the clarification Naismith.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on November 04, 2006, 10:47:49 AM
Looking at the various media Top 25 lists...it's pretty apparent that there is zero National consideration for any of our MAC teams. Often times the current years rankings are directly related to the previous season...so with the UofS getting a total body-slam by Wm. Patterson it makes perfect logic to those doing the polls that if that's the best you can give us...we'll talk to you later. The Royals have a really nice group of kids returning, the starters virtually all intact & if they can avoid anything near that rash of injuries that hampered them all season & really played havoc on developing continuity, then I do expect them to win out once again. However, it also seems like they were not able to recruit any inpact players to compliment the current talent that is needed to move them to the next level. Winning the MAC is nice... but, it would be nice to mix in some deep trips into the NCAA Tourney again. I would expect Kings to be right in the mix as they also have a nice inside/out game & Wilkes will find a way to hang around even without Shovlin. However, as seemingly ok with things as Coach Rickroad appears...it will be difficult replacing 16 points, 5 assists & the court-savvy he brought to the table each game. Sometimes there is addition by subtraction...time will tell. Desales is Desales...tough in their band-box, .500 on the road...ditto Lyco, FDU, & Drew. DelVal...what can you say? One thing of note, it is great to see Scranton have more than 2 home games during the 1st. semester...perhaps the student body will finally realize the men also have a team before they return to school in January. Should be another very good year for the Royals at least on the local level...beyond that, one can only hope. Lastly, our thoughts & prayers should also go out for the young player from Albright as well as his family...as he just passed away from cancer at the ripe old age of 19.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on November 04, 2006, 02:44:19 PM
Naismith-

Haven't heard anything on the younger Gabriel, don't know if he transferred, either way he's not on the roster.  Perhaps he shows up in the second half like Soboleski and Nensteil did the past two years.

The Bloom transfer Bob "Rick" Nensteil should play a significant role on the team if he can stay healthy.  I'm guessing his role will be similar to his brief time last year, coming off the bench for Soboleski.  Though I wouldn't be suprised if JP puts his two bigs on the court at the same time either.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on November 06, 2006, 06:56:59 PM
The Syracuse transfer is Landon Gabriel's younger brother but he never showed up.
NEPA, I still have dial-up.
Scranton joining the Landmark Conference doesn't thrill many alum's, from what I hear.
Naismith........never mind.
Anybody know what the Indy Colts record is? I can't remember!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 06, 2006, 07:06:12 PM
Does anyone know, in detail, why Scranton is bolting the MAC for the Landmark Conference? I've read the boilerplate on their athletic Web-site, but, of course, that is less than fully informative.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on November 06, 2006, 07:41:45 PM
Just heard about this ....I second WT's question.......lots of travel etc...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on November 06, 2006, 10:14:52 PM
This move has been given some pretty serious consideration over the past year by the University...it by no means was a quick call. As for the reaction of alums not being thrilled...just the contrary from those I've spoken with...everyone is very excited & many just feel certain schools in the MAC had simply developed a different philosophy regarding the type of student/athlete they were recruting. As a UofS grad...trust me, this is a GREAT day for the school. As far as whether or not Scranton will still play Wilkes or Kings, I guess that's the 64,000 dollar question right now. My hunch is they may play 1 game a year with each with alternating home games...but, they may break away from those schools as fast as they can. The road trips just got a little further within the conference but that's about the only bump. I'm sure they'll do something like the NESCAC where the DC trip will cover both Catholic & Goucher & when they come up they'll do a Scranton/Susquehanna type weekend. Outstanding move!!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 06, 2006, 11:37:21 PM
Wow. Speaking as an outsider, most of the fun of this room has always revolved around the emnity built up over the years by the three-headed monster in Coal Country. Now it'll only be a two-headed monster, and one of the best rivalries among posters in all of Posting Up, Wilkes vs. Scranton, will be no more.

At least Saratoga's parting valentine to Wilkes and King's ("many just feel certain schools in the MAC had simply developed a different philosophy regarding the type of student/athlete they were recruiting ... they may break away from those schools [Wilkes and King's] as fast as they can") ought to be good for a few final salvos of ill will.

C'mon, guys, don't let me down. Once more unto the breach ... for old times' sake!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on November 07, 2006, 06:06:34 AM
Scranton's leaving?  Good.  F 'em.

Having talked to many Scranton alumni in the past, I can only assume this is the much-discussed move to the Ivy League.  I've got to admit, I'm skeptical about a move to Division I, but... what was that? Oh, the Ivy League isn't accepting new applicants?  Oh...

Well, if Scranton is abandoning its two longest rivals and two most geographically natural rivals, certainly this must be some conference, The Landmark.  And, wow, looking at the list, I am impressed.  It's an enormous step up, going from the Freedom with Drew University to the Landmark with, ummm, Drew University?  C'mon!!

And really, Scranton, you take yourselves WAY too seriously.  In the press release, mind you, on your own website, to your own students / faculty / staff / minions / subjugates... anyway, the press release starts out, "The University of Scranton, a Catholic and Jesuit university founded in 1888..."  Do you require billing for yourself at every available moment.  Heck, henceforth, I'll introduce myself as "Colonel John, a pharmacist, born in 1980, who earned his first doctorate in 2004."

Another thing... why exactly would Scranton want to leave the Freedom?  If you'll forgive use of the vernacular, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."  Are there REALLY scholar athletes out there who say: "Well, I have it down to Scranton and York.  Scranton is in a conference with King's, and York is in a conference with Catholic.  I feel York is more centered on academics looking at the like-minded colleges in their conference, and that is where I must matriculate." 

If academics were really central to this decision, why would Scranton go through the effort to join a conference with school that are bound to have farther road trips.  As we all know, students are less likely to study off-campus than on-campus.  Knowing that, doesn't this move hurt the student-athlete?

So, Scranton, do you really want to be with "seven like-minded colleges", or are you just sick of "Let's play foot-ball! [clap clap clapclapclap]" chanted any time you play?

Fags still wear purple.  Catholic girls are still easy.  And Scranton still sucks.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 07, 2006, 08:06:37 AM
Hey, Greg! Was CJ4L's post above the opening "salvo"? ;)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 07, 2006, 08:52:25 AM
Athletics director Toby Lovecchio said Landmark Conference officials inquired several months ago whether or not Scranton would be interested in joining. Royals teams have been a member of the MAC since the 1945-46 academic year.

"Once they approached us, we started to think about it," Lovecchio said. "They were looking at us very strongly and it turned into us at them the same way. We felt equally compelled to pursue it.

"I'm very excited. I think it's a wonderful opportunity for our institution and our student-athletes. It takes us into some other markets where we can draw our student population from."


Many of the University's coaches are also excited about the move.

"My first reaction is, change is good," women's soccer coach Joe Bochicchio said. "I think it may open some more doors for me for recruiting. The Maryland-Virginia area is a great soccer area. If I'm playing in that area, maybe I can start getting some players from that area. I'm looking forward to it."

Women's basketball coach Mike Strong echoed Bochicchio's sentiments from a recruiting standpoint.

"It gives us a chance to go farther south," Strong said. "I do have mixed emotions because of our alliances with the people and institutions that we played."

That, perhaps, is the biggest concern with Scranton's move — the potential loss of longtime rivalries.

"Going into a new situation is good," men's basketball coach Carl Danzig said. "The bad part is that we're leaving a

great thing. The MAC conference has been great to the University. We've been fortunate enough to have a lot of success. I'm certainly going to miss the rivalries that we had within the conference with Wilkes and King's. I'm hopeful they'll be willing to keep it up in a non-conference format."

Lovecchio said every attempt will be made to keep many of those rivalries alive.

"We certainly want to maintain relationships with the schools in the MAC," he said.[/color][/b][/color]
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on November 07, 2006, 03:43:52 PM
CJ4L-

Finally, an issue that you and I can agree on. 

There really is no need for Scranton to join the Ivy League, most of their alumni already think they belong to it.  The two most annoying phrases in collegiate sports are THE Ohio State University and THE University of Scranton.

So my question for you CJ (and anyone really), what does the MAC Freedom look like in 2008? 


'Toga-
What different type of student athletes does Da U recruit?  Is this a jab at Mr. Shovlin and the 15th North Crew?  I've been down Mulberry Street a few times in my life, and those Jesuits can party just as hard as the Monarchs, maybe harder.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 07, 2006, 05:37:40 PM
CJ, LEO,


A little JEALOUS!???





Pat, you want to edit CJ's "FAG" post?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on November 07, 2006, 05:49:12 PM
If I was Pat, I'd leave CJ's "fag" post alone to let people see how immature he is.
CJ sounds bitter about THE University of Scranton (right, Leo?). He actually sounds like someone who didn't get accepted to THE University of Scranton.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on November 07, 2006, 11:20:23 PM
Just for the record CC,

I was accepted to all of the big three, including THE U.  Happy I picked the right one though.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 08, 2006, 02:12:08 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on November 07, 2006, 08:06:37 AM
Hey, Greg! Was CJ4L's post above the opening "salvo"? ;)

If your idea of a salvo is Germany's invasion of Poland, then, yes, that was a salvo.  :D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 08, 2006, 09:18:36 AM
Switch catches rivals off guard


Riding with a few colleagues to a meeting to pick all-stars for Middle Atlantic Conference soccer, Joe Bochicchio's cell phone rang. University of Scranton athletics director Toby Lovecchio was on the line. The Lady Royals soccer coach got the news that this would be his final MAC all-star meeting.

Scranton's decision to leave the MAC after this season and join the fledgling Landmark Conference was announced Monday.

It took many Royals rooters and rivals by surprise, and one of them just happened to be in Bochicchio's traveling party: King's men's soccer coach Mark Bassett.

"The first thing he said was, 'Are we still going to play,' " Bochicchio said. "I said, 'Yeah. I just have to get my new schedule. It's just a matter of getting people to fit in.' "

http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=17436695&BRD=2185&PAG=461&dept_id=416049&rfi=6
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 08, 2006, 03:09:30 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 08, 2006, 02:12:08 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on November 07, 2006, 08:06:37 AM
Hey, Greg! Was CJ4L's post above the opening "salvo"? ;)

If your idea of a salvo is Germany's invasion of Poland, then, yes, that was a salvo.  :D

Colonel John certainly brought out his Stukas and Panzers, didn't he? And maybe even "Anzio Annie" fired off a few rounds, as well.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on November 08, 2006, 08:40:27 PM
Screw the Ivy League....the goal should be Patriot League..
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on November 09, 2006, 05:59:08 AM
Greg and Warren - glad to entertain.  There are 4 or 5 things I show passion about in my life.  And Wilkes vs. Scranton is one of 'em.  It's a long tradition between these two schools, starting WAY back in 1993.  :D  It produced such memories as the "Purple Tux" game, the conference title game in OT (94?), last season's Championship game thriller, 3 straight Saturday nights in '98 (regular season, MAC Title, NCAAs) and best of all Jags's "Scranton Fan Kissing Booth" t-shirt.

Jealousy?  No, the end of the rivalry is why I'm mad.  Scranton's leaving the MAC?  What's next, Auburn leaving the SEC or Duke leaving the ACC?  Just like UNC- NC State isn't the same, Wilkes-King's isn't the same.  Perhaps if Scranton moved to the Patriot League or, heheh, the Ivy, I'd be jealous.  But these guys - you can have 'em.

NepaFan - The "fag" comment was nothing personal.  Just a student section chant.  Edit if you want, but a chant like that is no more immature than chanting "SAT scores" during the MAC Title game.  And CC, I didn't bother applying to Da U.  But, to your charge, one can only surmise that they'd accept a Student Council President / National Merit Finalist.  ;)

But hey, Scranton fans, maybe you can endear your new like-minded associates by bragging about Fulbright Scholars.  See if they give a crap.  The classroom is the classroom, basketball is basketball.  Success in one does not equate success in the other.  From the moment Al Callejas wore purple at the Long Center, you lost the right to brag about one during another.

To answer the question - what will the Freedom look like in 2008?  Lyco's gone, Scranton's gone.  Instead of the same 4 teams making the playoffs every year, it will now be Wilkes, King's, [insert team eliminated at Wilkes] and [insert team eliminated at King's] every year. Now, the regular season only determines who hosts the Freedom title game, Wilkes or King's.  Saying this, I'd worry about offending DeSales fans.  Then, I'd chuckle to myself, "Heh, DeSales doesn't have any fans..."
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on November 09, 2006, 12:34:09 PM
Hey Col.  and Naismith,  Looking over this years Wilkes roster, who is going to score the ball?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 09, 2006, 05:02:49 PM

Catholic-I predict will be The U's new rival, in basketball at least.


and the rest....

Drew                                                   
Susquehanna                                       
USMM                                                   
Moravian                                             
Goucher
Juniata


I am sure Scranton will miss Deleware Valley...


Rumor was Elizabethtown was the other team applying to the Landmark Conference..
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 09, 2006, 05:49:48 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 09, 2006, 05:02:49 PM
Rumor was Elizabethtown was the other team applying to the Landmark Conference..

Rumor has it that that is no rumor.

Rumor has it that E-town was invited to the Landmark, but had the door slammed on them at the very last moment.

Rumor has it that the powers-that-be at E-town are none too pleased at this turn of events.

Rumor has it ... (but, no, rumors are but rumors, aren't they?.)

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on November 11, 2006, 10:25:04 AM
Hey, NEPAFAN, could ya at least spell "DELAWARE VALLEY COLLEGE" properly?  Also known at the Aggies or Del Val, not Del Valley.  i got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning, but GO Del Val!!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on November 12, 2006, 09:07:24 PM
http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=17453629&BRD=2185&PAG=461&dept_id=418218&rfi=6



Speculates if the move is transitional...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on November 13, 2006, 01:30:00 PM
Isn't there "transition" with any move...or, doesn't a change or move create transition? That question raised by the Editorial Board boarders on complete incompetence. There are few, if any, decisions the UofS has made in the last 50 years that have turned out wrong for the school. I sincerly doubt when the Board of Trustees sat down to make their final decision with the President that the Scranton/Wilkes possibility of playoff games in the future carried much weight. You may remember there was this very same discussion last year when at that time, the word was Scranton was looking at the Empire 8 so that they would be in a conference with schools such as Hobart, Hamilton, Ithaca & Wm. Smith. Many felt that a move away from the MAC was never a matter of "if"...only "when". That time arrived when the Landmark & Scranton came to the conclusion that this move or "transition" was in the best interests of both immediatly. Personally, I can see some of the remaining MAC schools taking the parochial and immature approach and deciding NOT to schedule Scranton in future years or at least until the hurt of being snubbed wears off. I'm sure Drew, Moravian, Susquehanna & Juniata will also soon find this out. Chances are that the coaches may still want to play, however, often times that call may not be in his or her hands. If that's how it's viewed at some schools...oh well, that's probably one reason these schools opted to leave the MAC in the first place...a serious lack of vision therein.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 14, 2006, 12:18:36 PM
Quote from: kate on November 11, 2006, 10:25:04 AM
Hey, NEPAFAN, could ya at least spell "DELAWARE VALLEY COLLEGE" properly?  Also known at the Aggies or Del Val, not Del Valley.  i got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning, but GO Del Val!!!


Wow..a del val fan, i didn't know such a thing existed!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on November 14, 2006, 01:48:42 PM
Saratoga

Not that this means much, but in regards to your scheduling questions/parochialness, Drew is no longer scheduling FDU in ANY sport. They won't play us anymore...This directive comes straight from their athletic director....
Hopefully, there won't be a similar issue with the Scranton/Wilkes/Kings/ trifecta...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on November 14, 2006, 07:24:25 PM
Quote from: Section J Guy on November 12, 2006, 09:07:24 PM
http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=17453629&BRD=2185&PAG=461&dept_id=418218&rfi=6



Speculates if the move is transitional...

Way to go fact-checkers at the Times / Tribune.  For those who read the editorial, it's Wilkes University.  Aaayyyye.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 14, 2006, 07:45:17 PM
Quote from: bill on November 14, 2006, 01:48:42 PM
Saratoga
Not that this means much, but in regards to your scheduling questions/parochialness, Drew is no longer scheduling FDU in ANY sport. They won't play us anymore.... This directive comes straight from their athletic director.

Damn! that's certainly mature behavior by Drew.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on November 15, 2006, 01:02:01 AM
ljk,

Wilkes ---Who is going to score the ball???

Matt G will play the point and distribute. I think he will shoot a bit more with Mike C. and Chris S. gone.
I expect Kable will play the 2 and he can shoot  with anybody.

They have a couple of freshman guards that I haven't seen play. My guess is that they will see some time.

At forwards, I think one freshman will probably start. Word is that he can score.
Steve Kline will probably be the power forward ( I am guessing as I really do not know).
SK showed some glimpses as a frosh. I think we should see a lot more of him. He has a nice inside game and good instincts. Looking for big improvement.
Not sure, but another frosh may replace EW at center.  Again, this is a time will tell situation.....

I would think Dan Adams, Durako plus a few others will get some serious minutes as the year progresses.

The scorers will sort themselves out.

Hey, no doubt, this has become a challenging year for Wilkes. They lost a number of key players to graduation.......should be interesting.

Coach JR has transitioned before. I expect the Colonels will be just fine.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 15, 2006, 05:18:16 PM
Anyone know why Mcgowan left the Royals?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on November 17, 2006, 08:16:03 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 15, 2006, 05:18:16 PM
Anyone know why Mcgowan left the Royals?

Perhaps he wanted to find a more like-minded institution with an academic focus.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 17, 2006, 02:06:23 PM
Royal's Media Guide.




http://academic.uofs.edu/department/athletics/mbguide2007.pdf



Man that move to the Landmark really hits home for some people huh?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 20, 2006, 01:23:21 PM
Saturday, November 18: Susquehanna 98, King's 97 (OT)

SELINSGROVE, PA – Josh Robinson scored a tournament-record 52 points to earn Most Valuable Player honors as host Susquehanna University defeated King's College 98-97 in the championship game of the Pepsi/Weis Markets Tip-Off Tournament at O.W.Houts Gymnasium on Saturday afternoon.



Josh Robinson, D1 transfer from Drake. Wow. SU will be in Scranton for the Royal's Radisson Tourny, should be interesting.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on November 20, 2006, 07:05:21 PM


"Perhaps he wanted to find a more like-minded institution with an academic focus". Well, that eliminates Wilkes right off the bat now doesn't it? Actually, he's still with the team in a non-roster sense...his foot just hasn't healed...no pun intended...as he hoped & the wear & punishment of all the aspects of playing basketball make for a questionable recovery. He missed virtually all of last season because of it & was obviously hoping the surgury would have corrected the problem & allowed him to play once again pain free.                     
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 27, 2006, 11:08:46 AM
Scranton has stumbled a bit comign out of the gate....a 9 point win over Misri and a 10 point loss at home vs Catholic. They have Kings weds in WB for the last time as a member of the MAC...this room is dead!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bziadie on November 28, 2006, 10:57:45 AM
The King's College vs. University of Scranton men's basketball game Wednesday at 8:00 p.m. will be available to the public in two forms. 

First, the game will be webcast live over the internet by WRKC Radio.  To listen to the webcast, which will be done in radio style format, go to http://www.kings.edu/IITS/index.htm and click on "WRKC LIVE" in the lower right hand corner of the page under the "King's News" listing.

The game will also be televised on King's campus by KCTV.  The game, however, will also be streamed onto the internet and can be viewed on your computer screen as if watching television. 

To view the television stream from your computer, go to http://www.kings.edu/IITS/index.htm and click onto the "KCTV LIVE" link under the "King's News" listing. 

Or you can type the following URL address into your browser:  mms://streams.kings.edu/kctv to obtain the broadcast.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on November 28, 2006, 09:32:28 PM
Bob,

Will the Misericordia at King's swim meet be available on-line as well?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on November 28, 2006, 10:46:20 PM
Actually, the Kings/Scranton game will be "available" in two additional "public" forums...get off your butt and attend the game or if that is not an option...you can also hear it on WUSR, 99.5 with the "Dean" of college play by play calling all the action. The UofS web will also bring you the same broadcast. Could be the Royals last visit to Monarchville for awhile since they are moving out of the MAC. Will Kings want to schedule Scranton next year & beyond or are the feelings between the two just a little too caustic right now? Will the Royals want Kings? I think with Catholic in the Landmark Conference...the Royals just found a new & very competitive rival. As for the game itself, Kings has a very good inside/out game as do the Royals...only problem for Scranton is the guys being counted on to carry some of the load from the perimiter are not exactly firing on all cylinders just yet. Kings & Scranton should both win their respective home games...however, tomorrow is different...the Royals get hot from the outside & their defense comes to play & in their last game in Kings gym for the next 10 years (if they play in the future Kings has to play in the Long Center) it will be the Monarchs 61/Scranton 68.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on November 29, 2006, 09:00:39 AM
Why listen to "The Dean" when you can listen to Garfield & The Fonz??

And don't look past the end to another rivalry - this is Lycoming's last game at Wilkes before their move next season.  My Top 5 Wilkes - Lycoming moments:

5. Lyco over Wilkes for the '04 MAC-F title... 3rd worst officiated game, ever.
4. Huggler talking crap at me before the game 3 years ago. 
3. Kevin Walsh's leaning 6-footer to win one 82-80 at home in '01
2. Tom Wesner's 40 point explosion in an OT win at the Marts Center in '02
1. Wilkes at Lyco Feb '01, when I asked my now-wife out on a date for the first time.

Other nominees include Wilkes's Homecoming football game in 2000, where a disallowed TD cost Wilkes a stunning upset victory, and a couple of classics in '96.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 29, 2006, 09:32:23 AM
Saratoga thanks for the explination on Mcgowan. Indeed a few of the senior royals need to find their game......


Is the Lyco-Wilkes game over the airwaves?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on November 29, 2006, 12:09:17 PM
Where in togasara's post did he mention McGowan?
Are you seeing something the rest of us are not, NEPAFAN?????
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 29, 2006, 12:26:03 PM
Quote from: cold_case on November 29, 2006, 12:09:17 PM
Where in togasara's post did he mention McGowan?
Are you seeing something the rest of us are not, NEPAFAN?????


See the post on top of the page, toga's previous post. Speaking of seeing things...any chris shovlin sightings?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on November 29, 2006, 12:36:29 PM
Checked sataroga's post at the top of the page and again. no mention of McGowan.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 29, 2006, 01:14:55 PM
Quote from: cold_case on November 29, 2006, 12:36:29 PM
Checked sataroga's post at the top of the page and again. no mention of McGowan.


He is referring to Mcgowan with the foot injury
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on November 30, 2006, 12:22:15 AM
quick report:

Have taken in the Kings-Albright ot game, Wilkes-I-Mac and Wilkes -Lyco.

Kings is liking watching a rerun of the same movie or putting the old record player on repeat for hours on end.
Same players, same sets, same strengths and same weaknesses.

Still think their guards are timid when pressured. Like their size and Scalzo's savvy.
Nice win tonight against the Royals.

Wilkes, on the other hand, looks like a new model car. Not sure if that is a hemi underneath the hood but they have some really fine high octane freshman.  Tom Kresge appears to all that was advertised. Size, agility, touch and toughness. ....Soph Kline seems a bit more decisive.....but he must be even more assertive..... Gabriel has big upside for a post player....he's first or 2nd off the bench and appears to be quite skilled.  Frosh Gula and a Kelly (LCC transfer) are going to demand serious minutes at guard.  Both can play.

Yew, CC...there was a Shovlin sighting on opening night against I-Mac.  He was greeted warmly by the sparse crowd. Hope things work out for him.

Lyco still has Sye and Morris plus a very very young team.  Tonight, Lyco made a bundle of unforced errors (walks, double dribbles etc. ) . The Warriors did not have their best game. Meanwhile, the Colonels really worked the ball down low. Seems more of an inside -inside offense with interior passing. Some inside out stuff as well.  They don't seem to be as reliant of the three pointer as they were last year with Kable, Coinstantine, Shovlin etc.

The defense played very well ...lot of pressue ....and their swtching was excellent. Mand to man most of the way.

Overall, always nice to win the first conference game but it is quite early and  the real tests to come.

.

Naismith

By the way, Colonel John made a Marts appearance and that gold band glistened!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 30, 2006, 09:45:58 AM
Scranton played Kings tought at home but went cold in the last two minutes. They need to beat an undeafted FDU at home on Saturday to aviod a three game losing streak. I beleive Darren Cannon did not start last night (coaches decision).

Danzig wants to institute a BIG 5 a la philly with the local teams after Scranton leaves the MAC, sounds good to me.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on November 30, 2006, 09:53:58 AM
You're right Naismith, its early, but its nice to see that Wilkes finally has an inside game going on.  The front line has nice size for this level with (2)6'5" and (1)6'6" starters and (1)6'5" off the bench.   The freshmen have played hard and agresssive and have supplied a lot of spark.  Kresge has game and looks like the real deal.   Kline is very aggressive,  and goes to the hoop hard.  Adams mixes it up inside pretty good, but has to finish better.   Gabriel comes off the bench with a variety of inside moves and Gulla and Kelly give some nice depth at backcourt.  The defense played tough, led by Gould who had a nice floor game.  Kable hasnt found his rhythm yet.   Without Shovlin, who was their go to guy, they appear to be playing a much more team oriented game.  Its a  different style Wilkes team but so far so good.   I wasnt expecting this upside so quickly, but like Naismith said,  its way too early, with real tests to come.   That being said, a nice start, for what may be a very interesting year for the Colonels.  
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wb1313 on November 30, 2006, 10:56:08 AM
"Catholic-I predict will be The U's new rival, in basketball at least."

NEPAFAN...let's start with this one...how is Penn State's new "rivalry" game with Michigan St. working out?     ::)     Exactly, my thoughts.

CJ, brought the panzers, i'm bringing the airborne units.  I phoned CJ yesterday and he let me know the knews and my first reaction went something along the lines of..."how stupid are they?" 

Conference affiliation...the Landmark.  What is a like-minded D3 school?   Maybe if they were all Jesuit or if they were all poor or something but what do these schools have in common? 
Drew                                                   
Susquehanna                                       
USMM                                                   
Moravian                                             
Goucher
Juniata
Scranton
Catholic

Why don't they just add Gaulladet and they can qualify for a government diversity grant!  Is Howard looking for conference affiliation?  This move is ok though..I mean I hear next year they're going to add a team from Hawaii and from Alaska because they're like-minded also.  It must be that each of these schools had a 5'2 pygmy running the point at one point...that's equal opporunity. 

F Scranton...at least the Wilkes-Barre/Scranton International airport will be seeing more business from these pompous snobs.  Catholic Girls are still easy and Scranton still sucks!  I'm out!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on November 30, 2006, 12:03:07 PM
wb1313: Your last statement was pretty original & classy...must be a Wilkes grad or a CJ wannabe. And you wonder why schools like Scranton, Drew & Susquehanna are leaving? By the way...I can't really say how Penn State's rivalry with Michigan State is going...but, I'm pretty confident their "rivalry" with Michigan & Ohio State is "working out" just fine. Now back to work...those burgers are burning.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wb1313 on November 30, 2006, 01:08:35 PM
Saratoga..you can save the whole classy crap.  You've tried that numerous times with different people...time to get a new line!  I'm neither a Wilkes grad nor a CJ wannabe...though I do root for Wilkes to do well.  If you knew anything about college football you would know that PSU is not really a rival of Michigan and the Ohio State games are fun and a developing rivalry but nothing like what they had with Pitt as of yet.  The Big 10 tried to make MSU into a rivalry game (Land Grant trophy) which hasn't developed into anything of any consequence.  Rivalries are developed by proximity, familiarality, and years of hard fought battles.  If Scranton thinks they will have that with Catholic they will be sorely mistaken.  Keep thumbing your noses in the air but I promise that with my education I will never work for a Scranton grad!  You better stick with those burgers Saratoga...don't want the drive thru to get backed up...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 30, 2006, 01:27:06 PM
Obviously , it is a compliment to Scranton that everyone is up in arms. No one cares about Drew, or any other team leaving. Scranton has been the banner of the MAC for years. With the rumors of Lyco leaving too , dont worry Wilkes fans...you'll still have your games with Baptist Bible, Immaculata and Marywood!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 30, 2006, 01:46:01 PM
Catholic Girls are still easy and Scranton still sucks! 

Woah there big fella.  I don't know you and I don't most people on this board, because I primarily stick to the CAC board, but where do you get off insulting the women that go to CUA?  What school are you affiliated with exactly?

Obviously, rivalries don't develop overnight.  When the CAC was formed in 1990, Catholic didn't have much with some of the teams in that conference, either.  But over the years, they've developed because of various games, incidents, etc.  That will happen in Landmark too.  Its logical to assume that to start out with, Catholic and Scranton will have somewhat of a rivarly.  They've played each other the last few years, Catholic has won the last two, they're both Catholic schools, and quite frankly, they're both consistently good.

I can understand some bitterness of hard feelings that may develop, but there's no reason for juvenile name calling and insults.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on November 30, 2006, 01:58:42 PM
Matt: wb1313 is a classic example of the perils of Wilkes open admission policy.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopzwiz on November 30, 2006, 02:49:18 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on November 30, 2006, 01:46:01 PM
Catholic Girls are still easy and Scranton still sucks! 

Woah there big fella.  I don't know you and I don't most people on this board, because I primarily stick to the CAC board, but where do you get off insulting the women that go to CUA?  What school are you affiliated with exactly?

Obviously, rivalries don't develop overnight.  When the CAC was formed in 1990, Catholic didn't have much with some of the teams in that conference, either.  But over the years, they've developed because of various games, incidents, etc.  That will happen in Landmark too.  Its logical to assume that to start out with, Catholic and Scranton will have somewhat of a rivarly.  They've played each other the last few years, Catholic has won the last two, they're both Catholic schools, and quite frankly, they're both consistently good.

I can understand some bitterness of hard feelings that may develop, but there's no reason for juvenile name calling and insults.


Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopzwiz on November 30, 2006, 02:51:18 PM
I believe the term "Catholic Girls" was in reference to the women who follow that religion, not those attending the institution.  Just another example of the "we are the center of the universe" attitude oozing from some schools. 
Its not all about you (Catholic) or you (Scranton).

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 30, 2006, 03:13:29 PM
Ohhhh, I see, so if the insult is just intended for millions of women of a certain faith, its MUCH better, right?

Why don't you substitute "Catholic" for "Jewish" or "Muslim" and see how that flies.

Its not all about Scranton, or all about CUA for that matter.  It seems to me we aren't the ones making it that way.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopzwiz on November 30, 2006, 03:24:12 PM
As an outsider looking in, I think you're being a little sensitive.  Where I'm from its often joked that Catholic girls are 'easy' because as children their parents keep them locked in the house and away from the 'dirty little boys'.  Whenever I've heard it used its always been in jest. 
In this day in age with all the P.C. people out there and thin skin that people have, perhaps we shouldn't joke at all.
I for one will be asking the big fellas forgiveness for joking about the sexual activities of my catholic sisters.

You're acting like its Holy War.  Get a grip. Relax.  You think to much of yourself.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bziadie on November 30, 2006, 04:14:13 PM
Saratoga, where in the world did you come up with the following quote?


.....the Royals get hot from the outside & their defense comes to play & in their last game in Kings gym for the next 10 years (if they play in the future Kings has to play in the Long Center)

Have you been nipping on too much Geritol????

Where ever you got that information from, you need a new source.

The teams will play again at the Long Center on January 31 and should the rivalry continue beyond this season, there is nothing set either way that deems one team should or would host the next game.  It is whatever the coaches can agree on and in most cases there will be a reciprocal aggreement that says if Team X comes to Team Y, then Team Y comes to Team X the following year.

How do you figure that IF they play in the future King's to come to the Long Center if they play beyond this season?

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wb1313 on November 30, 2006, 04:35:05 PM
Saratoga...you're really putting that Scranton education to good use.  If you actually could read you would have realized base on my last post that I didn't go to Wilkes...but obviously reading isn't a requirement to attend Scranton.   ;D

Matt, I wasn't referring to CU girls but I do find it funny that you are up in arms.  Is it true?  Are CU girls easy?  Honestly i'm Catholic myself but if you've been to a Wilkes/Scranton game (I would bet a lot of money you haven't) you have probably heard that chant. 

It's about as well known as "if you can't get into college go to king's"  I find it sad that people like Saratoga are defending this move as "good for the school."   If Scranton was moving up to D-II or D-I then it would be much more understandable but to throw away you local affiliations for the US Merchant Marines, Drew, and Catholic is laughable at best.   Baptist Bible and Marywood are like minded with Scranton and Catholic...why aren't they in this conference?   ;)

This is too easy just like your women!.... BOOM goes the dynamite!!!

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 30, 2006, 04:50:59 PM
Hopefully one day we will get the "unofficial" reasons behind the move to Landmark.

Are posts dissapearing or is it me?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on November 30, 2006, 06:23:02 PM
Quote from: wb1313 on November 30, 2006, 04:35:05 PM
Baptist Bible and Marywood are like minded with Scranton and Catholic...why aren't they in this conference?   ;)

How about it!  My point exactly.

And Matt, I know you're a big timer on the CAC board, so I'll let ya slide, but it was just a joke.  At Wilkes, we respect both Catholics and Catholic University.  We just hate Scranton. :)  Anything you can chant to get under their skin, you chant.  Wise men, generations before myself, found that "Fags wear pur-ple" and "Catholic girls are easy" were funny enough to find favor with the student section, offensive enough to get under the skin of Scranton players, and avoided enough 4-letter words to save action from the Deans.

Again, hatred of Scranton, love for those of faith.  Don't go to Scranton, the city itself or Da U, don't wear purple, don't even root for the Reading Royals hockey team just to stay on the safe side.  Thanks to King's, Wilkes is now a full game up in-conference on UofS.

Wilkes & Lycoming - Naismith and LJK covered it well.  It was a coming out party for the Freshmen.  Kresge was game-high with 20, Gulla impressed me, and it's great to see Wilkes with a genuine inside game.  Someone even commented after the game, "That beating was so bad, Don Friday should have given back the '04 Freedom League title."
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on November 30, 2006, 07:00:03 PM
Bob: It was a joke...if I said the 10 year period of games at only the Long Center was mandated by Congress would that have made it a little clearer?  Wb1313...of course you'll never work for someone that is a UofS graduate...not as long as you're on the grill at Wilkes & Barries Burger Barn. CJ, the feeling is quite mutual toward that bastion of higher education in "Da Valley". I even hate pop-corn Colonels!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on November 30, 2006, 07:22:16 PM
wb1313: Your one statement regarding Marywood & Baptist Bible both being "like-minded & Catholic" is priceless! You are truly a man of the world. The fact that you think "like-minded" has anything at all to do with religion essentilly proves you have zero concept of what this move is all about. P.S. Baptist Bible is a very Protestant school...remember the Reformation? Sure you do!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wb1313 on November 30, 2006, 07:44:49 PM
Saratoga...there is a thing called Sarcasm that you're failing to grasp.  My point in all of this is how do these schools going to the Landmark Conference see themselves as "like-minded."  I understand a concept like this might be overwhelming to you, but I ask that you stay with us while we delve into reality.  What do Drew, the Merchant Marines, Susquehanna, and Scranton all have in common?  I won't even bring in the other schools in the conference, I just want to understand where they are going with this.  If this was Scranton and Catholic, I might think of this as the all-snob conference.  Ya know, the one where they stick their noses up and think they are better than everyone but in reality everyone knows that they are no better than any other D3 school.   

Trust me...the doors my diploma has opened are much greater than anything UofS could have given me.  I know what Baptist Bible is...but you don't understand that you can make a point by using exaggeration and sarcasm.  When you learn those concepts and stop taking yourself too seriously let everyone know.  I never used the term "like-minded & Catholic."  I only stated like minded..ya know as in the fact that they are institutions founded by religious organizations.    Maybe I can stop at Best Buy when i'm in town in a few weeks have you put that HDTV I'm looking to buy in my car.  If you're nice i'll even throw you a few bucks as tip so you can buy yourself a clue!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on November 30, 2006, 08:54:43 PM
wb1313: You state, you "never used the term like-minded and Catholic" when referring to BOTH Marywood & Baptist Bible...look up your own quote from 4:35 this afternoon. As a matter of fact...even CJ quoted you. Not having a clue is when you can't even remember your own argument. I'd like mine well-done thank you.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wb1313 on November 30, 2006, 09:07:59 PM
"Baptist Bible and Marywood are like minded with Scranton and Catholic...why aren't they in this conference?"


This is my exact quote from earlier.  I was referring to the fact (so was Colonel John) that these are institutions founded by religious organizations.   Scranton alums should be disowning you for your inability to grasp such simple concepts.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on November 30, 2006, 10:44:47 PM
As I stated previously..."like-minded" has ZERO to do with religion and just about everything to do with academics...once that concept is grasped by you, you will then be able to slowly see the bigger picture emerge and realize why the certain school you pull for will continue on one path while others move on. Nothing personal...just the way it is. And in the long run this may work out really well for Wilkes because the schools that play a significant part of your non-conference schedule may soon be bunk-mates in the "new" MAC. Just think, instead of playing Miseri & Marywood & Lancater Bible & Baptist Bible once per year...you can now feast on them & that other new MAC power Manhattenville twice a year. As a reference, I suggest you read the header as to why the Landmark was formed, its premise and collective goals.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wb1313 on November 30, 2006, 11:31:07 PM
Saratoga..stop making a fool of yourself.   You have no ability to understand sarcasm and can not tell us anything more about the institutions than what that press release says...Congratulations..You are a shill!  The conference was formed as like minded institutions...what is so like minded about them...and how does Scranton fit in?  I feel as though the purple people eaters are the red headed step child of the conference...I mean how does it feel to be the last one in...you barely beat out ETown...congrats!!   

About 5-10 years down the road you will realize that this will not help Scranton at all...but until then...keep living in your little fantasy world.   

"Saratoga, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 01, 2006, 01:48:04 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on November 30, 2006, 06:23:02 PM
Quote from: wb1313 on November 30, 2006, 04:35:05 PM
Baptist Bible and Marywood are like minded with Scranton and Catholic...why aren't they in this conference?   ;)

How about it!  My point exactly.

And Matt, I know you're a big timer on the CAC board, so I'll let ya slide, but it was just a joke.  At Wilkes, we respect both Catholics and Catholic University.  We just hate Scranton. :)  Anything you can chant to get under their skin, you chant.  Wise men, generations before myself, found that "Fags wear pur-ple" and "Catholic girls are easy" were funny enough to find favor with the student section, offensive enough to get under the skin of Scranton players, and avoided enough 4-letter words to save action from the Deans.

Again, hatred of Scranton, love for those of faith.  Don't go to Scranton, the city itself or Da U, don't wear purple, don't even root for the Reading Royals hockey team just to stay on the safe side.  Thanks to King's, Wilkes is now a full game up in-conference on UofS.

Wilkes & Lycoming - Naismith and LJK covered it well.  It was a coming out party for the Freshmen.  Kresge was game-high with 20, Gulla impressed me, and it's great to see Wilkes with a genuine inside game.  Someone even commented after the game, "That beating was so bad, Don Friday should have given back the '04 Freedom League title."

Right.  Well, in truth, I'm really not exactly a PC, touchy sort of guy, its just that for all the talk of good natured sarcasm, the tenor of the, shall we say, "discussions" on Landmark has not exactly been good natured.  And, over the years, we've had some not-so appropriate incidents in the CAC that have crossed the good natured line on the religious issue.  Ribbing on it, fine, but getting into sexual abuse (which has happened) and that sort of thing is just tasteless and wouldn't be tolerated in most settings, so I'm not sure why it is in basketball.  Plus...its really not that funny.

Perhaps the overarching question I have, for wb and others, is...this is obviously something that bothers you...WHY?  If this group of institutions decided that it was in their best interests to split off from their past alliances and come together, what's it to you, other than perhaps the disappointment of a regional rivarly that is diminished (but hardly impossible, given the ample opportunity to play non-conference, regional games)?

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on December 01, 2006, 07:53:27 AM
I wonder if Catholic has come under such scrutiny on its message board?
I also wonder if it's possible that the moderator can put together a Landmark forum now instead of in the spring?
Naismith, you told me something a few months ago that I had a hard time believing. I officially believe it.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 01, 2006, 09:53:16 AM
No, not really.  For Catholic, a lot has to do with the economics of their conference.  CUA and Goucher are by far the most expensive schools in their conference, and just by nature different.  It became very, very difficult for those two schools to compete against all the others for athletes.  We have to remember, this is not all about basketball.  In basketball, CUA has a great tradition and an incredible record of success, so recruiting is very strong.  But in other sports, its very difficult for a school like Catholic to compete with much cheaper public schools like Mary Washington, St. Mary's, and Salisbury.  Gallaudet is sort of a special case since its the national school for the deaf, and York is one of the cheapest private schools in the entire country.  That left CUA and Goucher in a different place, and that's part of the reason for the new conference.  All but Kings Point basically fit the same mold in terms of private, liberal arts oriented colleges.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 01, 2006, 03:19:28 PM
Board is hot for late november/early december!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mattie on December 01, 2006, 11:48:54 PM
Boy I go away for a few months and I am left to decipher everybody's comments.  Since I am finally done with football, with all teams but Lakeland eliminated in our region, let me get to some general comments.
First off, if you consult your Webster's Dictionary for the word Landmark, there is a good chance that Drew University isn't mentioned unless by landmark you mean "former garbage dump converted to university".  That new conference is in desperate need of a name change and they haven't even played one organized game.
That said, it is nice that Drew won't be the only whipping boy for the league with Juniata in there.  That Drew-Juniata bloodbath should set the tone.  A 4-hour drive either way to see a flaming blivit of a game, now that's progress!!
Colonel John took in a game and didn't tell me about his appearance, but then again I didn't get an invite to his wedding so I am still a little sore and may have ignored him.
I did see the highlights from the Martz Center and Scandlon Gym and the one thing I noticed was all the people dressed up as bleachers.  Both schools must have promoted the crap out of those games because so many people dressed alike.  that being said, an empty bleacher looks a whole lot better than those mustard yellow shirts the Colonels have passed out for the past five years.  You could get one of those shirts on E-Bay for the cost of a chicken wing bone.
And finally, the "Catholic Girls Are Easy" chant has been going on since the turn of the century.  I was at a 6th grade girls game at St. Mary's Assumption two years ago and some 50-year old guy in the corner was yelling it at the top of his nicotine-infested lungs.  However, this chant will lose some steam now that the Bishop has put the axe to so many storied schools.  The only things that will miss those institutions are low enrollment, asbestos and no heat in the winter.
Have a wonderful week.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on December 02, 2006, 02:53:57 PM
http://www.d3hoops.com/releases.php?release=6558&scoreboard



Lincoln 201
Ohio State-Marion 78


I really need a box score! Wow.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on December 03, 2006, 07:10:13 AM
Their coach is a complete horses patoot for pulling something like that. Then again, that school has no integrity whatsoever. Whoever justifies that final score has some issues.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on December 03, 2006, 07:17:42 AM
CC,

What's the matter???

Oh, you got a DNP in the boxscore......lol

We understand
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on December 03, 2006, 08:25:26 AM
Nais,
So you saw me throw the towl at the coach?
In all seriousness, any coach that pulls something like that is a complete moron. Sorry for the harshness, but seeing something like that really rankles me. Almost as much as the Colts losing.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopzwiz on December 03, 2006, 11:39:45 AM
The Lincoln coach should be fired.  Thats a classless and unprofessional act.  The man, whom I've never met, obviously has no respect for other people or the game of basketball.  He should be ashamed of himself for allowing his players to humiliate other student-athletes in that manner.  A win is a win, no need to humiliate people in that fashion.  I'm all about having the killer instict and 'putting opponents away', but thats beyond any level of respectable-competition.
The administration should take a look at who they have leading and molding the student-athletes in their school.  The only thing the Lincoln players learned from their coach on this day is how to disrespect everyone and everything involved in the game.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on December 03, 2006, 02:51:01 PM
201 points, in and of itself, isn't terrible.  The thing that offended me was the 104 SECOND half points, when the game was well in hand.  And what does it prove?  Congrats, you're nationally ranked, and you just beat a non-D3 team.  Ooooh.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on December 03, 2006, 02:56:13 PM
Huh - just saw yesterday's results.  Wilkes loses, Scranton wins, and King's gets throttled by DeSales.  My point - should I be concerned that DeSales is 2-0, and won both games BIG?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 03, 2006, 03:59:20 PM
Check the Lincoln boxscore.  No one played more than 24 minutes, and everyone played.  It was ugly, but it seems like it was a mismatch that never should have happened.  Blame the home team for scheduling the match.
I don't agree with the results, but it happens.  I was once at a high school football game where the score was 97-0, and the third and fourth-string played the whole last quarter.  A coach can't tell the players not to score. 
HOME TEAM: LINCOLNM 5-1
                          TOT-FG  3-PT         REBOUNDS
## Player Name            FG-FGA FG-FGA FT-FTA OF DE TOT PF  TP  A TO BLK S MIN
04 Lahart, Thomas...... *  4-5      3-3       0-0    0    3    3    2  11  6  2  0  4    12
05 Wylie, Sami......... *  23-44   21-41     2-3    1    1    2    2  69  6  0  0  4    24
15 Carter-Bey, Vincent. *  1-4     0-2        0-0    1    3   4    2    2  3  4  0  6    16
35 White, Darryl....... * 12-14     0-0        4-6    6    3    9   0  28   2  0  2  1    19
55 Wooten, Garrick..... *   0-4    0-0         2-2    5   5   10   1   2   0  1   1  0     6
03 Blanton, Dante......      5-6    0-1         0-0    2    2    4   0  10  1   0  0  1    10
10 Johnson, Keyon......     3-6    2-4         3-4    0    5    5   0  11  2   3  1  7    18
11 Robinson, Ja'Juan...     5-7    0-2         0-0    3    3    6   1  10  6    2  0  5    22
12 Stephens, Aaron.....     0-0    0-0         0-0    0    3    3   2   0  7    0  0  3      7
13 Washinton, Zaire....      4-9    1-4         0-0    2   1    3   1   9  0    3  0  2      8
20 Grimes, Lavine......       0-3    0-0         0-0    1   0    1   4   0  0    1  0  1      5
22 Sanders, Caray......       1-2    0-0         0-0    0  0     0   0   2  0     1  0  1     3
24 Wilchcombe, Brandon.    2-4    0-0        2-2    4  2    6   1   6  1     1  0  2     6
30 Miller, Earl........            2-2     0-0        0-0    1   1    2   2   4  1     2  0  2     8
31 Dean, Dwight........     15-28   1-3         2-2    9  4   13   1  33  5    3  2  7   24
32 Jennifer, Berry.....         2-3    0-0          0-0    0  0  0      3   4  0     1  1  2  12
   TEAM................                         3  1  4
   Totals..............         79-141  28-60      15-19  38 37 75  22 201 40 24  7 48 200
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on December 03, 2006, 04:48:13 PM
Your justifying of Lincoln is sad.
No, you don't tell the players not to score, but YOU DO tell them to run the clock on each possession and NOT attempt a three-point shot. They took 60 3's, including 41 by the guy who scored 69 points. In fact, 41 of his 44 shots were from behind the arc. Wow, what a classy individual.
Give me a break.
Like I said in an earlier post, their coach is a horses behind and should be given his walking papers.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on December 03, 2006, 05:01:30 PM
35 second half 3 point attempts. Sad.


But whoever scheduled this "tourny" has some explaining to do as well.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chooch on December 03, 2006, 05:35:57 PM
Quote from: cold_case on December 03, 2006, 04:48:13 PM
Your justifying of Lincoln is sad.
No, you don't tell the players not to score, but YOU DO tell them to run the clock on each possession and NOT attempt a three-point shot. They took 60 3's, including 41 by the guy who scored 69 points. In fact, 41 of his 44 shots were from behind the arc. Wow, what a classy individual.
Give me a break.
Like I said in an earlier post, their coach is a horses behind and should be given his walking papers.

i fully agree .. imagine what the other team must feel
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: njlincolnlion on December 03, 2006, 10:50:18 PM
Reserved Seat:

Thanks for taking the time to look at the box score.  I think the margin of victory was absurd also, but what do you tell the reserves to do, hand the ball over to the opponents, or throw it out of bounds on purpose?

For cold case to say "that school has no integrity whatsoever", are you referring to the institution, as a whole or the basketball program.  Do your homework, and find out about a school that has been around for more than 150 years, and has some rather outstanding alumni!  What's the legacy of your alma mater?

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 04, 2006, 01:39:46 AM
No, I tell them to run the shut clock down, and don't take 3's.  Simple.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 04, 2006, 01:44:42 AM
Quote from: njlincolnlion on December 03, 2006, 10:50:18 PM
Reserved Seat:

Thanks for taking the time to look at the box score.  I think the margin of victory was absurd also, but what do you tell the reserves to do, hand the ball over to the opponents, or throw it out of bounds on purpose?

You could tell the reserves to do that, but the play by play shows that a starter was in the game for the final nine and a half minutes.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on December 04, 2006, 07:27:17 AM
You could tell the reserves to do that, but the play by play shows that a starter was in the game for the final nine and a half minutes.
[/quote]

Integrity!!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: njlincolnlion on December 04, 2006, 09:31:04 AM
cold_case:

Integrity of the basketball program, or the university as a whole?  Your remarks, and I quote "The school had no integrity whatsoever" end of quote.  The school has had integrity for more than 150 years.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 04, 2006, 10:27:10 AM
Quote from: njlincolnlion on December 04, 2006, 09:31:04 AM
cold_case:

Integrity of the basketball program, or the university as a whole?  Your remarks, and I quote "The school had no integrity whatsoever" end of quote.  The school has had integrity for more than 150 years.


Here we go............at least we have stopped the landmark conference talk. I am glad people have finally come around to realize that the Head Coach made a mistake. Everyone knows Lincoln is a fine institution with a wonderful legacy...but can come nowhere near THE University of Scranton. ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: njlincolnlion on December 04, 2006, 10:29:31 AM
NEPAFAN:

;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on December 04, 2006, 12:10:38 PM
If the powers that be at the 150-yr old legacy fail to reprimand it's legendary "coach." then they have no integrity. So yes, as of right now, I mean the school has NO INTEGRITY!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopzwiz on December 04, 2006, 01:59:08 PM
Any news on the quickly vanishing MAC?  The once high and mighty seem to be losing some luster?  Its amazing that teams don't want to be apart of such a 'high level' athletic conference.  Without the Scranton "prestige" its just an average league. 
At least next year all the MAC fans can look forward to the heated rivalry between Arcadia and Kings.  Or maybe the double header featuring Manhattanvilles men and women VS. their nemesis from the Marts Center.\

Should be great times for everyone.  MAC forever.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wb1313 on December 04, 2006, 03:29:13 PM
The biggest problem I have with the situation is that they were still pressing when up by 100.  That's absolutely disgusting! 

Scranton still sucks!  (I think this will last much longer than this year)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on December 04, 2006, 09:27:38 PM
If Lincoln reprimands (sp) the coach they most likely will do it behind closed doors and none of us will ever know.

QuoteWhat's the legacy of your alma mater?

Most likely denying admission to many of the distinguished alums of Lincoln had they chosen to apply to a MAC school fifty years ago.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on December 04, 2006, 09:37:54 PM
wb1313: Again, a real classy comment...especially on the heels of Wilkes losing to DVC. Buy a clue for Christmas.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on December 04, 2006, 10:03:39 PM
Quote from: Knightstalker on December 04, 2006, 09:27:38 PM
If Lincoln reprimands (sp) the coach they most likely will do it behind closed doors and none of us will ever know.

QuoteWhat's the legacy of your alma mater?

Most likely denying admission to many of the distinguished alums of Lincoln had they chosen to apply to a MAC school fifty years ago.


Sorry, what are you getting at? If you want to come out and call a MAC school a racist institution , come out and say it.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wb1313 on December 05, 2006, 01:25:07 AM
Saratoga...get your own set of jokes and then we'll talk.  Until then keep wearing purple loud and proud!  ;D

Scranton still sucks!  (Every joke I can think of right now would probably get me banned from D3hoops and I really don't want to upset Pat and Warren if I can avoid it at all costs!)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: AndOne on December 05, 2006, 05:08:00 AM
Quote from: njlincolnlion on December 03, 2006, 10:50:18 PM
Reserved Seat:

Thanks for taking the time to look at the box score.  I think the margin of victory was absurd also, but what do you tell the reserves to do, hand the ball over to the opponents, or throw it out of bounds on purpose?

For cold case to say "that school has no integrity whatsoever", are you referring to the institution, as a whole or the basketball program.  Do your homework, and find out about a school that has been around for more than 150 years, and has some rather outstanding alumni!  What's the legacy of your alma mater?



* There can be NO justification whatsoever for the total lack of class shown by Lincoln University!  :(

* Did anyone mention that the other team dressed only 6 players?

* The 5 Lincoln players who had played the fewest minutes so far this year (theoretically the 5 worst players) should have played the ENTIRE 2nd half. But no, that wasn't possible because Lincoln (Stinkin') U was ONLY up by 53 at the half! They had to outscore the other team by 70 in the 2nd half to really show whos boss.

* You tell your players to play hard, BUT-----
       ---Not to shoot ANY 3s
       ---Run the shot clock down to 10 before beginning to run a play

* The Lincoln head coach was nothing less than a COMPLETE ASS----! He should be
suspended by the University for AT LEAST one game for poor sportsmanship & lack of control over the basketball program.
The purpose of having one of the starters play the last 9 1/2 minutes was?

* As far as the guy who took 41 3s-------> I hope his frickin' arm falls off!

* The Lincoln basketball web site indicates "Discipline, Desire, Dedication."
More like LACK of discipline, Desire to KICK your opponent, Decication to LACK OF CLASS.
       


Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on December 05, 2006, 07:04:37 AM
Quote from: Section J Guy on December 04, 2006, 10:03:39 PM
Quote from: Knightstalker on December 04, 2006, 09:27:38 PM
If Lincoln reprimands (sp) the coach they most likely will do it behind closed doors and none of us will ever know.

QuoteWhat's the legacy of your alma mater?

Most likely denying admission to many of the distinguished alums of Lincoln had they chosen to apply to a MAC school fifty years ago.


Sorry, what are you getting at? If you want to come out and call a MAC school a racist institution , come out and say it.

Stop being so sensitive, I know for a fact that some Eastern PA MAC schools and one NJ school did not admit black students until sometime in the sixties.  It is an undeniable fact about Colleges and Universities in the US both private and public.  Was the coach out of line allowing his star to go for the three point record, yes.  But would any of you be this outraged if it was your own Alma Mater doing this?  Probably some but many here would keep quiet.  This happened Saturday and people are condeming an institution because of the action of a few.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wilburt on December 05, 2006, 08:18:25 AM
Check this article out.  Go Lincoln...


http://www.blackathlete.net/artman/publish/article_02355.shtml
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 05, 2006, 10:22:23 AM
Quote from: wilburt on December 05, 2006, 08:18:25 AM
Check this article out.  Go Lincoln...


http://www.blackathlete.net/artman/publish/article_02355.shtml

Yeah what about it? I saw your comments that we wouldn't be up in arms if it was Grinnel who won by 140 points...give me a break.  I hope no one schedules Lincoln next year.


Scranton won 71-49 over the College of New Jersey. I am sure it could have been much more .................


Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wilburt on December 05, 2006, 10:54:05 AM
Give me a break.  Nobody wants to schedule Lincoln now in D3 (cause they are "skurred") but next year you will get your wish when they go up to D2!

Check out this article about the game NEPAFAN. 

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/sports/16164814.htm

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopzwiz on December 05, 2006, 11:06:52 AM
Wow, is that Lincoln english?  Skurred? 

It is widely known that Lincoln has attempted to gain entrance into several conferences over that past few years.  This is just another example of why nobody wants them.  Associating ones self with an institution that condones this type of behavior isn't good for anyone.  D2, D3, makes no difference, classless and conference-less, they are a fungus that nobody wants to come into contact with.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 05, 2006, 11:11:49 AM
According to the article, the other team's roster included five players and the COACH who scored 24 points!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wilburt on December 05, 2006, 11:16:04 AM
Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah ....   
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on December 05, 2006, 12:09:28 PM
Any reason why Lincolns two fans are soiling this board?
Go back to your own board. Oh, that's right, you don't have one.
Perhaps the moderator can put one together for you. He can call it ......... nah, that would be too easy.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: sunny on December 05, 2006, 12:19:22 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 05, 2006, 11:11:49 AM
According to the article, the other team's roster included five players and the COACH who scored 24 points!

Yeah, I saw that, too.  Unless he is a student and a player/coach, shouldn't this call into question the validity of all of the records set as well as its status as a recognized victory by the NCAA? 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wilburt on December 05, 2006, 12:51:01 PM
Quote from: cold_case on December 05, 2006, 12:09:28 PM
Any reason why Lincolns two fans are soiling this board?
Go back to your own board. Oh, that's right, you don't have one.
Perhaps the moderator can put one together for you. He can call it ......... nah, that would be too easy.

It's militia-type assholes like you that make me want to post in the first place!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on December 05, 2006, 12:58:27 PM
Good. Keep posting, we all need the laugh.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 05, 2006, 01:00:02 PM
Yup Lincoln should be real proud.


http://www.marion.ohio-state.edu/Campuslife/MBBall/bballroster.htm



Do they play any freedom teams this year?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on December 05, 2006, 01:15:50 PM
militia-type ***holes?
Fight me, punk!!!!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wilburt on December 05, 2006, 01:21:08 PM
Bring it on GI Joe! 

Cold_Case will have a soft ass after it's been kicked around all day!

This is fun...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 05, 2006, 01:22:27 PM
can you at least talk basketball if you are going to come into this room?


Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wilburt on December 05, 2006, 01:33:34 PM
I talked basketball and you guys didn't like what I said.  So this is what you get...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on December 05, 2006, 01:38:25 PM
Wilburt? LOLOL.

Perhaps you can get booted?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wilburt on December 05, 2006, 02:11:10 PM
cold_case:


Don't you wish... :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: AndOne on December 05, 2006, 03:41:19 PM
Quote from: wilburt on December 05, 2006, 01:33:34 PM
I talked basketball and you guys didn't like what I said.  So this is what you get...

You DIDN'T talk BASKETBALL Wilburt. You talked smack------which is all you know!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wilburt on December 05, 2006, 04:11:03 PM
Talking smack.  Hmmmmmmm isn't that what you just did AndOne (or is it now MinusOne) like your karma :D? 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 05, 2006, 04:44:38 PM
Yes we take Karma very seriously around these parts...



how are you at 103?!??!


and Scranton women on the radio and not the men this Sat??  Dean wants a free trip to NYC?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on December 05, 2006, 05:22:00 PM
King's almost beat the Lincoln juggernaut last year when they also had All-American Kyle Myrrick.  I don't know how you can justify running the score up like that.  Is it really that impressive that Lincoln can beat up some JV team? 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 05, 2006, 06:23:27 PM
Quote from: sunny on December 05, 2006, 12:19:22 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 05, 2006, 11:11:49 AM
According to the article, the other team's roster included five players and the COACH who scored 24 points!

Yeah, I saw that, too.  Unless he is a student and a player/coach, shouldn't this call into question the validity of all of the records set as well as its status as a recognized victory by the NCAA? 

Some places have a student coach or player-coach.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: sunny on December 05, 2006, 06:33:15 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 05, 2006, 06:23:27 PM
Quote from: sunny on December 05, 2006, 12:19:22 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 05, 2006, 11:11:49 AM
According to the article, the other team's roster included five players and the COACH who scored 24 points!

Yeah, I saw that, too.  Unless he is a student and a player/coach, shouldn't this call into question the validity of all of the records set as well as its status as a recognized victory by the NCAA? 

Some places have a student coach or player-coach.

Right - which would be fine.  I'm just wondering whether or not that is the case at OSU-Marion.

It doesn't sound like it, but I guess it doesn't say that he ever completed his degree at OSU-Marion, so maybe he is enrolled again and finishing ...

http://www.marion.ohio-state.edu/Campuslife/MBBall/coach.htm
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: AndOne on December 06, 2006, 12:27:05 AM
Quote from: wilburt on December 05, 2006, 04:11:03 PM
Talking smack.  Hmmmmmmm isn't that what you just did AndOne (or is it now MinusOne) like your karma :D? 

No, Wilburt, I talked the truth--something you obviously have great difficulty recognizing and handling.

And thanks for the negative Karma point. Coming from you, I take it as a compliment.

Just what I would expect from you Wil---I said something you didn't agree with---so naturally, you need to punish me by giving me a minus Karma point. Just the kind of thinking and response I would espect from a Neanderthal like you who thinks Lincoln was right on to run up the score.

Get a clue Wil, baby. Read over the various posts on the subject and you will see the vast majority of them condem the way the Lincoln coach and team handled the situation. I may have stooped a little lower than I like to go---but I had to get down to your level in hopes you would understand. Alas, I failed.  :-*
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 06, 2006, 06:16:24 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on November 30, 2006, 01:46:01 PMI can understand some bitterness of hard feelings that may develop, but there's no reason for juvenile name calling and insults.

It's obvious that you've never visited the MAC Freedom room before, Matt. Juvenile name-calling and insults are like oxygen in here, and it's no coincidence that this has also been one of the most entertaining rooms to read over the course of the decade since Pat created this website. To give just one example, the MAC Freedom Survivor saga of several years ago was some of the funniest stuff ever produced on Posting Up. And every last juicy bit of it was juvenile name-calling and insults.

You may not like the current piefight between wb1313 and his longtime nemesis Saratoga, but look at how harmless and innocent it appears when compared to the nasty and racially-tinged invective flying around Posting Up over the Lincoln/OSUM affair.

Why the heck do you think some of us outsiders are so peeved about Scranton leaving the fold and thus abandoning the neighborhood rivalries with Wilkes and King's? It's because it's like Curly telling Moe and Larry that he doesn't want to hang around with them anymore. :D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wilburt on December 06, 2006, 08:36:35 AM
Quote from: AndOne on December 06, 2006, 12:27:05 AM
I may have stooped a little lower than I like to go---

Enough said.  You proved my point!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wb1313 on December 06, 2006, 08:53:12 AM
Greg, Thank you for putting a smile on my face so early in the morning!!  Curly and Moe will get along without Shemp quite well but we won't have our favorite punching bag anymore.  

The Freedom Survivor skit was absolutely amazing and I kinda wish Adam would come back and do an encore...maybe to the Amazing Race or something along those lines!   ;)

Matt, I know that I come and go from this board based on news and if its basketball season or not.  The regular posters (ColonelJohn, Saratoga, Cold Case, Leo the Lion, NEPAFAN, etc...) are just continuing the tradition of making the board enjoyable and keeping the spirit of the rivalries.  When you have 3 schools that are seperated by no more than 20 miles (2 are seperated by 5 blocks) it makes for some good fun and spirited battles.   At the end of the day, there really are no hard feelings or ill will toward anyone on this board...well at least not on my end and I'm pretty sure for all the name-calling and pettyness that Saratoga would back me up.  

Saratoga...I love you man!!  Ok...not really...but it sounds good with the love thats resounding from this post.  ;D

Wilburt...flat out..you and your school's basketball team are an embarrasment.  I didn't say school but you need to remember that the basketball team is a direct reflection on the school and no matter what you say you cannot deny the fact that there are ways to keep a score down.  When a team is overmatched, run the 35 second clock, don't take 3's and for the love of God stop pressing.  That's all anyone on here is saying.   I believe everyone on here would hope that the coach of their school, if put in that position, would have the class to keep the beating down to a reasonable amount of points.  I'm glad that Lincoln was able to prove how big their junk is by knocking off a non-DIII school by over a 100 pts..WHEW..way to go...I'm really not impressed!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: njlincolnlion on December 06, 2006, 08:58:18 AM
wb1313:

wilburt's alma mater is FISK, not Lincoln,  Both universities are HBCU, and we may look/sound alike, but they are two different institutions.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wilburt on December 06, 2006, 09:02:50 AM
wb1313:

PLEASE READ (that seems to difficult for some of you all) my signature.  I am alum of FISK UNIVERSITY not LINCOLN UNIVERSITY!  Although I would be proud to call Lincoln my alma mater any day.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 06, 2006, 09:19:29 AM
This is from another board....good to see...

Quote from: Pat Coleman on Yesterday at 09:13:43 pm
They sent us a press release so I can post that:


Quote
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
CONTACT: Rob Knox, Assistant Athletics Director for Sports Information Management,
(610) 932-8300 ext. 3384


Lincoln's official statement on this past weekend's men's basketball game

Lincoln University of Pennsylvania has a long and proud tradition of excellence in
athletic competition and firmly embraces the principle of good sportsmanship.
Accordingly, it is with much regret the demonstration in opposition to that
principle by the men's basketball coaching staff in Saturday's game against Ohio
State University-Marion. It was an anomaly.

We have reiterated to our coaching staff the university's expectations concerning
athletic competition from opening to final whistle. Like all institutions that play
on the field of athletic competition, Lincoln University's ultimate goal in a game
is to win, but for Lion teams winning must occur with fair play and good
sportsmanship in focus.

As our teams move forward to the remainder of this athletic season and into the
future, they will display the principle of good sportsmanship in all its
ramifications.

Sincerely,


Alfonso Scandrett Jr.
Director of Athletics
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wb1313 on December 06, 2006, 09:22:07 AM
So I understand why the Lincoln fans are over here trying to defend their school but why is Wilburt over here then?  It seems that all he's trying to do is start fights and talk trash when he is irrelevant to this conversation.  I don't take the time to read your little love notes about your school at the bottom of your post.  Congrats on being an alum at Fist U...shhh don't tell anyone about what you and your boys do together in the dark of night!

I'm glad you're distancing yourself from Wilburt, Lincoln..he's about as quick witted as a short bus student.

What are the current records of the HBCU schools and will any other than Lincoln make the tourney?  
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wilburt on December 06, 2006, 09:45:54 AM
Quote from: wb1313 on December 06, 2006, 09:22:07 AM
 I don't take the time to read...

Yea I know, you didn't have to tell me. It's obvious to everyone!

A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wb1313 on December 06, 2006, 10:11:40 AM
Somebody's parent forgot to install parental controls on their computer  :-\ 

Do you really want to play this game?   Kid...I don't think you're ready for the big leagues of the MAC Freedom board.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wilburt on December 06, 2006, 10:17:45 AM
Man up and bring it on - wb1313!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 06, 2006, 10:29:48 AM
WB , didnt Wilkes play a basketball game last night?


Do not encourage the trolls...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wb1313 on December 06, 2006, 10:52:45 AM
NEPA - yes they did.  They pulled off a 1 point win against Landmark Conference destined Susquehanna to go to 3-1.  At one point they were up 18 and I think the term the Citizens' Voice used is absolutely spot on:  They survived.  Overall though it is an away win against a quality opponent so its nothing to be laughed at...not like a Baptist Bible

http://citizensvoice.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=17554173&BRD=2259&PAG=461&dept_id=460522&rfi=6
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wilburt on December 06, 2006, 11:01:39 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 06, 2006, 10:29:48 AM
Do not encourage the trolls...

I take this as an unsophisticated sign of surrender from you guys!       
You know, a simple white flag would have sufficed from you fellas. :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: TheGrove on December 06, 2006, 11:09:04 AM
wb1313, replay this game at the end of the year and I'm not sure Wilkes survives.  ;)

Susquehanna has a lot of new (albeit very talented) pieces to the puzzle and will be even better by the end of the season. I will say this for them, however, you can't kill 'em. Every time I thought they were done for last night, they scrapped back. Keep Majors and Robinson from fouling out at the end and who knows what may have happened?

Plus, O.W. Houts Gymnasium is really becoming an "OW House" for opponents. The long-dormant fan base is packing the gym and being LOUD. I didn't think we'd have a lot there last night, because the traditional Candlelight Service was going on at the same time, but students kept filing in.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: AndOne on December 06, 2006, 12:08:06 PM
Quote from: wilburt on December 06, 2006, 08:36:35 AM
Quote from: AndOne on December 06, 2006, 12:27:05 AM
I may have stooped a little lower than I like to go---

Enough said.  You proved my point!

Wil----

IF YOU ARE GOING TO REPLY TO A QUOTE, INCLUDE THE ENTIRE QUOTE, NOT JUST PART OF IT IN A FEEBLE ATTEMPT TO TWIST ITS CONTENT/ MEANING.
MY ENTIRE QUOTE WAS:

Get a clue Wil, baby. Read over the various posts on the subject and you will see the vast majority of them condem the way the Lincoln coach and team handled the situation. I may have stooped a little lower than I like to go---but I had to get down to your level in hopes you would understand. Alas, I failed.  :-*




Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wilburt on December 06, 2006, 01:11:09 PM
The fact that you stooped low is enough for me, MinusOne :-*

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopzwiz on December 06, 2006, 01:28:05 PM
I just read Lincoln's statement about the game last week.
It's nice to see that the AD has apologized for the coaching staff's lack of sportsmanship.  Recognition of the problem is the first step towards correcting it.
Unfortunately, it won't help the young men who suited up for the opposing team that day.  I've heard all the defenses for what Lincoln did, at least from one person.  The AD has made it very clear that what they did was wrong and will not be allowed to happen again.  Perhaps the person posting on this site will come to their senses, realize they(he and the team) were wrong, and just SHUT UP!
I hope Lincoln can grow from this and become a more respected member of the NCAA family.  Right now they are an embarrassment in regards to what the NCAA stands for.
Good luck finding a league now.  You've done it to yourselves.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wilburt on December 06, 2006, 02:25:21 PM
Quote from: hoopzwiz on December 06, 2006, 01:28:05 PM
Perhaps the person posting on this site will come to their senses, realize they(he and the team) were wrong, and just SHUT UP!
I hope Lincoln can grow from this and become a more respected member of the NCAA family.  Right now they are an embarrassment in regards to what the NCAA stands for.
Good luck finding a league now.  You've done it to yourselves.

If you looked at my post on the Bumblin B's board you would realize that my primary critique of you all (which seems to have been lost upon most of you on this particular board) is HOW you criticised Lincoln and NOT that you criticised them.  A couple of people's comments, IMHO had racist overtones to it and as a result over the top and uncalled for.   I may or may not agree with you all about whether the actions of the basketball team and coach constitued as unsportsmanlike, but when the conversation quickly disintegrated into emotional rants, as if someone had just killed the Pope, then I am going to step up and voice my opinion.

As for Lincoln, they will be joining, actually rejoining the CIAA when they move up to D2 next season. The CIAA is a longstanding D2 conference that has produced several D2 Basketball National Championship teams in the past decade or so.  Lincoln will be in good company in a NCAA conference that is respected by many.

Aside from Lincoln growing from this, I hope many of you on this board will also grow from this dialogue (although I doubt it) and learn to appreciate (not necessarily agree) another's point of view without automatically reverting to childish name calling, insults and assuming facts.  In short, try to become a respected member of humanity.  I would start with reading DieHardFan's post yesterday on the Bumbling B's board.  That's a smart lady that we all can learn from.   

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wb1313 on December 06, 2006, 02:37:17 PM
Wilburt, you are a flamer and a troll and are being treated as such.  None of the posters here posted anything remotely close to racially charged but you tried to make those accusations to stir the pot.  If you look at activity reports you can see how many people have traveled to other pages and although there are a few, (AndOne to name one and i'm not sure if he is a regular MAC Freedom poster)  most of the regular MAC freedom posters post here and only here except at playoff time.  Congratulations on pushing the issue and thank you for continuing to take karma points off me.  I still have no idea how to give or take them/who is in charge of giving/taking them but whatever.   

People grow from intelligent dialogue, not from stupid pissiness and you coming over here trying to get others to argue with you.   If your point was to try and have others learn from some convoluded idea in your head, you sir have failed miserably!   I really hope that you are leaving now and taking your racist overtones and accusations with you.   
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wilburt on December 06, 2006, 02:51:15 PM
People do grow from intelligent dialouge and that may explain your lack of growth from participating on this board.

I may be leaving for now (I have not made up my mind yet), but the racist overtones from you and likeminded folks will remain on this board for all to see. Sad so sad...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wb1313 on December 06, 2006, 02:59:49 PM
What are you talking about?  Racist overtones from me?  I'm not allowed to criticize a HBCU over what 99% of America felt was out of control and unsportsmanlike.  If that is the criteria for being a racist then fine...you got me...(sarcasm)

Wilburt, your lack of knowledge and understanding astounds me and the fact that you use childish antics such as copy the first four words of a sentence to attempt a lame joke is pathetic. 

I'm beyond wanting to rip you apart through witty conversation.  The realization that i'd be going up against someone with a lower IQ than the coach at Lincoln makes me fully believe that you're not worth my time.  Goodbye!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wilburt on December 06, 2006, 03:08:47 PM
wb1313 you are incapable of ripping me up through witty conversation because you have no wit, my friend.  And what you may call witty conversation is really sophomoric mumbo jumbo that would only appeal to the typical teenager or someone with a teenage mindset.

Talk about IQ, the only type of IQ talk I want to hear from you is "I-Quit".

Face it you can't handle me...

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 06, 2006, 03:47:48 PM
Please post the "racist overtones" used in any post on this board...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wilburt on December 06, 2006, 04:18:05 PM
What happened to your previous quote? Are you changing your mind now? 

Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 05, 2006, 01:22:27 PM
can you at least talk basketball if you are going to come into this room?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on December 06, 2006, 04:43:18 PM
A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

And in your case, the mind is a terrible thing!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on December 06, 2006, 05:23:34 PM
So I'm glad that this Lincoln uproar has helpped mask DeSales' trouncing of King's this weekend.  The Monarchs were beaten in every aspects, and now have a battle with BBC (fresh off last year's upset). 

Based on the early returns it appears that the Big 3 are still trying find a groove, and DeSales may be better than expected.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on December 06, 2006, 05:43:44 PM
wb1313: Our posts really are in the spirt of busting on each other & I agree that we would never create the hostility that Wilburt has so neatly twisted into play. Busting each other is one thing, creating an envirnment based on outright personal bias is just plain wrong. I've read each & every post since Wilburt started trolling and there are no racial overtones directed at either Lincoln Univ. or its coach. What has been stated and so rightfully so that the AD of Lincoln has addressed the situation...is that the coach(small c) of Lincoln was totally out of line in his abhorrant abuse of those young players and demonstrated an immense amount of immaturity and horrible judgement. That, my dear Wilburt would have been both disgusting and discussed whether this coach was black, white or purple(had to get that in). I'm with you on this wb.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on December 06, 2006, 06:31:58 PM
When did it become legal to use the word asshole in a post?  Last time I tried that, all I got were seven red dots.  At least one good thing came from this "discussion."

Leo - DeSales scares me.  Until February.  They have more regular season wins than Peyton Manning, and just as many rings.  (Hi, Cold_Case.  How are you tonight?)

Willlll-burt, I'm not sure what you and Mr. Ed do to pass the time, but, whatever...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: AndOne on December 06, 2006, 07:31:55 PM
Quote from: wilburt on December 06, 2006, 01:11:09 PM
The fact that you stooped low is enough for me, MinusOne :-*


Quote from: wb1313 on December 06, 2006, 02:59:49 PM
What are you talking about?  Racist overtones from me?  I'm not allowed to criticize a HBCU over what 99% of America felt was out of control and unsportsmanlike.  If that is the criteria for being a racist then fine...you got me...(sarcasm)

Wilburt, your lack of knowledge and understanding astounds me and the fact that you use childish antics such as copy the first four words of a sentence to attempt a lame joke is pathetic. 

I'm beyond wanting to rip you apart through witty conversation.  The realization that i'd be going up against someone with a lower IQ than the coach at Lincoln makes me fully believe that you're not worth my time.  Goodbye!

Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 06, 2006, 03:47:48 PM
Please post the "racist overtones" used in any post on this board...

Wilbur----

I am going to summarize things and then I'm done with you. Its not worth any more space & time.

* That Lincoln U, & especially its coach, displayed a lack of judgement, leadership,
    sportsmanship, and even common decency is NOT open to question. If you don't
    want to believe me, review all the posts both here and in Bumblin' B's. The vast
    majority of them support this fact.

* That Lincoln's actions were/are indefensible is evidenced by, amomg other things,
   the fact that the Lincoln AD issued a public apology, and even your perhaps
   closest ally, njlincolnlion apoligized on behalf of Lincoln in his post of 11:20:45
   on 12/3/06.

* NOBODY---myself, Cold Case, wb1313, NEPAFAN, or anyone else EVER introduced
   race in any way, shape, or form into the discussion of Lincoln's abhorant behavior
   While I DID describe their play as "like gangsters," I made it a point
   to explain my meaning by indicating I meant that it didn't seen like enough to get
   OSUM down, but then they also had to beat & kick them after they were down by
   scoring 70 more than OSUM in the 2nd 1/2 after they already led by 53 at halftime

*  YOU in fact interjected race into the discussion by adding the attachment
    concerning the racial incident (http://www.blackathlete.net/artman/publish/
    article_02335.shtml) into one of your early posts.

* YOU further attempted to inflame the issue in one of your replies to me in which
   you stated that I used the word "gangsta" (rather than gangsters as above)
   You changed what I said to feebily attempt to support your race based argument

*  We learn as kids that when a group of people is gathered the one who shouts
    "Who farted" is usually the one who did it. I think most of us also know that in a
     discussion on any subject, the one who first plays the race card and attempts
     to label the opposition's arguments as racist is usually the one who has the
     biggest problem relating to members of the opposite race, and in fact, is
     probably the most racist of the group.

*  As you have done now a couple of times, I would expect you to give me another
    negative Karma point.

Goodbye Wil. Take care, and good luck in life. As I can't give Karma points yet, I'll just close by returning the  :-* you gave me along with the minus Karma at the top
of this post. I hope its as good for you as it was for me.  :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on December 07, 2006, 06:23:00 AM
Nicely said.  I awarded you, PlusOne
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: adam on December 07, 2006, 06:44:45 AM
Before I say anything on this nonsense and return to the board via popular demand (Matt L, wb1313), I am waiting to see a post on this from the voice of reason, Warren Thompson.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 07, 2006, 07:01:57 AM
Warren's been very quiet lately. No sign of him anywhere on Posting Up for at least a month now. I'm a little worried. I hope he's alright.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 07, 2006, 09:11:01 AM
Lycoming at Lafayette tonight.


and chance it is on ESPN PLUS? ;D


Where is William Wallace?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: AndOne on December 07, 2006, 12:41:43 PM
William Wallace led the fight for Scottish independence from the British beginning in 1297. However, he was captured & executed in 1305.  :(
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 07, 2006, 01:44:35 PM
Quote from: AndOne on December 07, 2006, 12:41:43 PM
William Wallace led the fight for Scottish independence from the British beginning in 1297. However, he was captured & executed in 1305.  :(

Also the only Lyco fan to ever "post up"
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: adam on December 07, 2006, 03:34:42 PM
Ditto on Warren, hope he's OK or moved to Florida like most people his age (Sorry Gramps, couldn't resist  :P)

Freedom League Survivor brings back a whole host of memories, those were the days.

As far as the Lincoln situation is concerned, I will throw in my two cents which are probably different than anyone else on the board.  I will say that I could care less about Lincoln and could take them or leave them, I am and have always been a Wilkes supporter.
With that in mind, if Lincoln was doing that to Wilkes and I was in attendance and the thought of a 100 point victory or, heavens forbid, 200 points on the board was a possibility, I'd be all for it.  The attendance at the game was listed I think at 31 and those are 31 people who saw something that nobody else will probably see in the history of basketball in just about any division.  No apologies needed from Lincoln, I think that's friggin amazing and wish I could've seen it.  The six kids from the other team are also part of history, granted the losing end, but they are there.  The thought of Lincoln running up the score was the last thing on my mind when I read the report.  Awesome feat that will most likely never be duplicated.
Be that as it may, that doesn't mean I support anyone supporting Lincoln who has posted on here.  I have not read the arguments and attacks back and forth nor do I care.  Let's get back to the basics in this room, nonsensical digs at Scranton, King's and Wilkes back and forth.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on December 07, 2006, 05:53:50 PM
Speaking of nonsensical, I waited until the dust settled on this entire Scranton to the Landmark deal and felt it was time to give my thoughts.
I think what many fans fail to realize, or at least, are unaware of, is that this conference divide started with football and there has been a huge trickle down affect that has more to do with being aligned with "like-minded institutions".
When Moravian and Juniata first announced they were leaving the MAC in football to join the Centennial Conference, shortly thereafter Susquehanna was invited to join the Liberty League in football. The whole "stigma" that these schools were leaving the MAC to join better academic conferences quickly began a trickle-down affect.
The affect was that some of the remaining schools in the MAC felt that by other schools leaving the MAC, even if it was initially for football only, was a reflection on them. With the public perception being that these schools were saying that the MAC was not good enough academically, administrators now had to do something that they felt was necessary to save face and take away the appearance that their respective school was not one of those schools the other colleges were trying to get away from.
On the surface you had a few schools leaving for football and the public perception is "we are better academically than you". Well now you have other schools saying, "yeah, I understand that is what they are saying, but they were not talking about us, they were talking about those other leftover MAC schools, not our college."
So in order to remove themselves from the perception of inclusion with the rest of the MAC schools, some looked to leave the conference for the simple reason that they felt they needed to save face. Some (not all), quite frankly, have taken a beating in the MAC in most sports so their chances for some of their teams to become more successful was part of the decision-making process. It was as if some administrators panicked and felt they "had" to do something to save their academic reputations. There were also other schools that looked to leave but did not get invited.
The thing that makes Scranton's move the most puzzling is that Scranton does indeed have a fine academic reputation and most of their teams are very competitive. Their reputations in both academics and athletics were built in the MAC so how would their reputation be hurt by remaining in the MAC? Does anyone with half a brain to think that Scranton would be looked at as a lesser academic institution had they remained in the MAC? I don't think so. Does anyone think that Scranton was leaving because they were unable to compete? I don't believe that either.
One thing that is especially disturbing regarding Scranton's move is the University of  Scranton President Reverend Scott Pilarz had several conversations with the presidents from Wilkes (Dr. Tim Gilmore) and King's president (Rev. Tom O'Hara) when rumors popped up over the course of the last year and every single time the Scranton Presdient said that Scranton was fully committed to the MAC and had no plans to leave. The most recent conversation he had with at least one of the two Wilkes-Barre college presidents was a week before Scranton made its announcement.
MAC schools that refuse to schedule Scranton in the future are not proving that they made the right move, they just may not be interested in competing against an institution that lies and is selfish as Scranton.
I had a chance to speak briefly with a Freedom League coach a couple of weeks back (no, it wasn't a local coach), and he told me that Scranton really stuck it to the rest of the league.
Enough said!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on December 07, 2006, 09:59:12 PM
I still have to digest Cold Case's post....in the meantime...

Score by Periods                1st  2nd   Total
Clarkson......................   19   19  -   38
University of Scranton........   24   38  -   62
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on December 08, 2006, 02:59:14 AM
C_C, way to back up your opinion with facts.  I'm impressed.  Just goes back to the original point - why would Scranton want to leave the MAC?  Is the marginal benefit of playing Catholic twice a year worth sacrficing natural rivalries and, literally, decades of history?  While the Scranton - Wilkes rivalry is "down" from its peak, note that those two teams played the most recent MAC-F Title game, decided by 1 point.

Wallace, last I checked, after a record 13 semesters at Lycoming, finally graduated.  Upon graduation, like most, he let go of the message board here.

For the record, in my original post ripping Scranton's break from the conference, I made a joke about how DeSales doesn't have any fans.  One would think, after a 30-point throttling of King's, that ONE DeSales fan would post up.  Nope.  I propose a new theory.  DeSales has at least 6 fans.  They just can't figure out these gosh-darn computers and that new-fangled Intra-Net.  CS 101 at DeSales is turning a computer on.  A BS degree if you can play Solitaire.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 08, 2006, 03:32:47 AM
Quote from: adam on December 07, 2006, 03:34:42 PM
Ditto on Warren, hope he's OK or moved to Florida like most people his age (Sorry Gramps, couldn't resist  :P)

Warren sent me an e-mail on Thursday. He's fine. He's just taking a brief posting sabbatical. I suspect that we'll see him back on Posting Up before too long.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 08, 2006, 10:10:17 AM
Quote from: cold_case on December 07, 2006, 05:53:50 PM
I had a chance to speak briefly with a Freedom League coach a couple of weeks back (no, it wasn't a local coach), and he told me that Scranton really stuck it to the rest of the league.
Enough said!



I think we need to remember that there are more sports than basketball, which factored in the decision. I know that they (scranton) are trying to build a successful lacrosse program after years of losing. This allows them to recruit further on long island, VA, DC and Maryland. It also gives them more of a presence in these areas...with prospective students, and alumni.   I saw an interview with a scranton coach that echoed these sentiments. ...
Title: DeSales Fans
Post by: The Authority on December 08, 2006, 11:53:13 AM
ColonelJohn,

DeSales actually has many fans.  But unlike many (on this board) we don't make a habit of shooting our mouths about a really nice conference win that happens in December.  Last time I checked trophies were handed out in February.

In the meantime we'll sit on top of the standings over the Christmas holidays and hope that when the New Year hits, the Bulldogs can continue its strong play and reverse the theory that we can't get it done in February.  I certainly can't argue about that fact, but we'll continue to work hard at raising a banner in Billera.

And one more thing...Solitaire is what Wilkes students play, we at DeSales have upgraded to the more challenging Spider Solitaire offered on most Windows XP computers.

Happy Holidays to all!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on December 09, 2006, 03:57:29 AM
Authority,

Congratulations on being the first DeSales fan to post up in recent memory.  (Ever?)  Provided I make it up for the DeSales game on January 13th, a ColonelDog and beverage of your choice are on me.  Only trepidation I have about that one - York Catholic plays at Trinity that night.

I'd make a joke about the banners in Billera Hall (dump), but this isn't that moment.  As you said, it's December.  Just this once, I won't even make a joke about the seating capacity.  I'm still just stunned that a legitimate DeSales fan has entered the building.  Quick bit of advice, just beware the Curse of Greg Riley.

I should be mad.  But I'm not.  I'm just impressed, Baxter.
-Ron Burgundy
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: susquejamma on December 09, 2006, 04:38:31 AM
It just makes more sense for Scranton to join the Landmark Conference from an academic standpoint. Princeton Review's Best 361 Schools list -- which I consider to be the most viable rankings for colleges, given that USAToday's tiered system is skewed -- features Landmark-bound Drew, Catholic, Goucher, Juniata, Merchant Marine, Moravian, Susquehanna and The University of Scranton. It only makes sense that Scranton join the ranks of those other schools to create Division III's version of the Patriot League, and it is logical for the Landmark to seek Scranton rather than the doltish Elizabethtown. The Freedom and Commonwealth are now left without any schools on those lists, and generally consist of schools that aren't academically-strong, such as Albright and Delaware Valley.

The Landmark will feature top-notch teams from Juniata's women's volleyball, Mercant Marine and Catholic's swimming teams, Susquehanna's men's golf, Scranton's women's basketball.

I agree the rivalry between Wilkes and Scranton has dwindled. I remember back in the Januzzi-era when you had to show up 3-40 minutes before gametime to get a seat. And when Wilkes fans would taunt Scranton's SID's misspelling of players' names by chanting "Hooked-on-Phonics." The Freedom in other sports is considerably weaker than the Commonwealth, so it isn't much in the first place. Maybe if Scranton was in the Commonwealth one could say it was dodging Messiah or Elizabethtown, but I don't think Royal fans will be missing any outstanding competition from Delaware Valley or DeSales.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 09, 2006, 08:17:08 AM
" ... the doltish Elizabethtown"?  ???
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: adam on December 09, 2006, 08:57:02 AM
Welcome back Warren!!!!!!  Hope all is well.

Susquejamma, we used to chant hooked on phonics in a negative way towards the less than stellar academic background of Al Callejas.  But I miss those days as well.  I still remember a year at Scranton where they closed the doors at 7:00 because the gym had already reached capacity.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 09, 2006, 11:42:39 AM
Adam, check your e-mail. I sent you a couple of messages ....
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: susquejamma on December 09, 2006, 12:17:04 PM
Quote from: adam on December 09, 2006, 08:57:02 AM

Susquejamma, we used to chant hooked on phonics in a negative way towards the less than stellar academic background of Al Callejas.  But I miss those days as well. 

Fair enough, I was only a young Colonel fan back then and had just assumed it was because Brian Gryboski's name was spelled G-R-Y-B-O-W-S-K-I in the program.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on December 10, 2006, 12:54:39 AM
Grybo, what a crowd pleaser!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on December 10, 2006, 03:32:58 AM
Warren,
Welcome home.  Unless you consider the Commonwealth board your home.  Then, we're all just glad to see you're alright.

...and hey, what's wrong with E-town??  It's a fine little school, in a finer little town, in my humble opinion.

'Jamma,
First off, I love the PMZ blog.  Named for Waylon Smithers's favorite TV show?  For you to have been a young Colonel when Gryboski was in his prime, and to have opinions like that about W-B politics... how do I not know you already?!  All that aside, you're the first person to give me stats behind Scranton's move.  Merely serves as an excuse for me to weave the words "Scranton still sucks" into another message.

Best typo in the Scranton / Wilkes rivalry:  99-00 season, Wilkes at Scranton.  Programs read "Wilkes COLONIALS".  The irony?  They nailed "Lady Colonels" for the first game of the doubleheader.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on December 10, 2006, 10:05:16 AM
Hey, CorporalJohn,
Peyton was checking some scores recently and asked if the Clarkson team that throttled Wilkes on Friday night is the same tired unit that got buried at Scranton just 24 hours earlier?

Also, I can't wait to read tanasoga's followup post regarding Scranton. This should be fun.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: susquejamma on December 10, 2006, 03:52:03 PM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on December 10, 2006, 03:32:58 AM...and hey, what's wrong with E-town??  It's a fine little school, in a finer little town, in my humble opinion.

'Jamma,
First off, I love the PMZ blog.  Named for Waylon Smithers's favorite TV show? 


I'm impressed that you reckonized The Simpsons' reference. It was Waylan's excuse as to how he couldn't have murdered Mr. Burns. I've been a Wilkes fan since the 1995-96 when Jay Williams threw up something like 12 points in less than a minute against Cabrini in the playoffs. It still stands as the greatest thing I've ever seen in sports. There were a few seasons where my father and I would attend every away game, including that heartbreaker to Richard Stockton at William Paterson. However, I've had to put my Colonel alliances aside a few years ago to support the Orange and Maroon.

(At least I have something to cheer about now).

And everyone in the Commonwealth knows Elizabethtown is a clown college.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 10, 2006, 04:10:39 PM
There you go again, jamma. E-town's not only "doltish," now you claim it's a "clown college."

(You're rapidly earning yourself a reputation for not knowing the official unofficial [and thus unspoken] rules: in the MAC rooms, only Wilkes and Scranton fans are allowed to insult and abuse each other and their institutions. By common consent, every other MAC venue is untouchable.)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on December 10, 2006, 04:59:43 PM
CaseCold: You've got that right...after Wilkes back-to-back losses to DVC & Clarkson it sure got quiet. I think we need to fire old Wilburt up & get the action going. Maybe the MAC can convince the powers to be at Fisk to take the spot of Scranton, Drew, Juniata, Susquehanna or Moravian. That way the Wilkes crowd can deal with Wilburt all season. It really is a crazy game that can be pretty darn unpredictable at times. I mean Wilkes gets a Clarkson team that plays Scranton on Thurs. and loses real big...has to play the next night AT Wilkes and against a fresh team & they blast Wilkes out of their cubby. CC, I can only assume what you've stated about assurances from the UofS being thrown out the window is accurate. I've personally not heard it that way. With 5 schools leaving & only 2(Arcadia & Manhattenville) coming in...what options does the ol MAC have??? Alfred E. Neuman, Marywood, Alvernia...how pathetic. I did get a chance to personally speak to a few Scranton coaches in sports besides b-ball & they are really looking forward to the move. Even one of the b-ball coaches stated how nice it's going to be playing Goucher for instance on a Fri. evening, having all day Sat. to take the team into DC. to visit various sights & then play at Catholic on Sun. Lastly, I think the Desales pummeling of Kings was really a shocker...not so much that they(Desales) won in their hell-hole, rather the convincing manner in which they did it. Just remember though, Desales is like a great pair of jeans you've had awhile...they tend to fade.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on December 10, 2006, 05:03:46 PM
P.S. Welcome back Warren.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 10, 2006, 05:23:59 PM
Quote from: saratoga on December 10, 2006, 05:03:46 PM
P.S. Welcome back Warren.

Thanks. I took a short sabbatical to think things over (whatever that means  ;)) ....
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: susquejamma on December 10, 2006, 06:59:20 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on December 10, 2006, 04:10:39 PM
There you go again, jamma. E-town's not only "doltish," now you claim it's a "clown college."

(You're rapidly earning yourself a reputation for not knowing the official unofficial [and thus unspoken] rules: in the MAC rooms, only Wilkes and Scranton fans are allowed to insult and abuse each other and their institutions. By common consent, every other MAC venue is untouchable.)

Who says Scranton and Wilkes are the only teams in the MAC to have a rivalry? Commonwealth Conference is an entirely different conference, so why can't we have our own rivalries? Susquehanna and Elizabethtown have a rivalry that goes beyond basketball. This Fall, over 2,000 fans showed up for a soccer match between the two schools in which Public Safety officers had to create a line of seperation between jarring fans. In fact, Elizabethtown has an even bigger rivalry with Messiah.

I think my analysis of Scranton being a better school than Elizabethtown was entirely valid and not necessarily abusive. Furthermore, it has been rumored that the Elizabethtown lowers its academic standards for athletes. So yes, it is doltish.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 10, 2006, 07:15:08 PM
'jamma:

I bow to your superior knowledge and wisdom. My sincere apologies. Please forgive me ....

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: susquejamma on December 10, 2006, 07:57:45 PM
::sarcasm noted::  ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on December 10, 2006, 11:13:28 PM
Quote from: susquejamma on December 10, 2006, 06:59:20 PM


I think my analysis of Scranton being a better school than Elizabethtown was entirely valid and not necessarily abusive. Furthermore, it has been rumored that the Elizabethtown lowers its academic standards for athletes. So yes, it is doltish.

Do you really think Elizabethtown is the only MAC school to lower its standards for athletes?  I know for a fact that Scranton did at one time, whether they still do I can't say for sure, but I am pretty sure they get a few tips in.  My brothers roommate at Scranton was a 6'7+ kid from Long Island that was a pretty good center, he did nothing but drink for two years and only occasionally show up for classes but somehow managed to stay in school for two years.  He used to brag how he got his sister to take his SAT's for him.  Point of the story is no school is squeaky clean when it comes to athletics.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: susquejamma on December 11, 2006, 02:26:11 AM
Quote from: Knightstalker on December 10, 2006, 11:13:28 PMHe used to brag how he got his sister to take his SAT's for him.  Point of the story is no school is squeaky clean when it comes to athletics.

Don't they check identification at the SATs? 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on December 11, 2006, 06:54:16 AM
This was thirty years ago and nobody checked mine a couple years after that.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on December 11, 2006, 08:24:25 AM
Quote from: Knightstalker on December 11, 2006, 06:54:16 AM
This was thirty years ago and nobody checked mine a couple years after that.

Who took yours, or did you take them for someone else? ;D

I believe you and I discussed the 6-7+ kid from Long Island last year. I doubt Scranton's head coach at that time would bother to go all out and bring the player in. He was a stiff from the start and eventually flunked out of school.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 11, 2006, 10:10:23 AM
Quote from: cold_case on December 11, 2006, 08:24:25 AM
Quote from: Knightstalker on December 11, 2006, 06:54:16 AM
This was thirty years ago and nobody checked mine a couple years after that.

Who took yours, or did you take them for someone else? ;D

I believe you and I discussed the 6-7+ kid from Long Island last year. I doubt Scranton's head coach at that time would bother to go all out and bring the player in. He was a stiff from the start and eventually flunked out of school.

I think we discuss him every year!  ;D    CC do you know what is wrong with Kreuter? Or is it coach's decision that he is on the bench?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on December 11, 2006, 10:41:41 AM
I don't know what is going on with Kreuter but since Danzig took over, some top players seem to fall out of his favor.
Remember Courtney Steele and Shawn Clarke? They were two promising freshmen that never returned after their first year. McGowan's situation is unusual and now Kreuter is another one of Danzig's victims.
When you ask questions, you get the same response so why bother.

In other notes, I noticed a couple of interesting items over the weekend. Ohio State-Marion (remember them) lost at Georgetown (KY) College, 138-27 on Sunday. Georgetown must be pretty good, considering they lost at Big East power, Louisville, 94-92 earlier this year.
I also noticed Sami Wylie and Lincoln were blown out at Ramapo, 91-75. I guess those three-pointers weren't falling since Wylie scored just 14 points, compared to the 69 he rung up on OSU-Marion.
I wonder if he took 44 three's against Ramapo?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 11, 2006, 11:12:43 AM
Quote from: cold_case on December 11, 2006, 10:41:41 AM

In other notes, I noticed a couple of interesting items over the weekend. Ohio State-Marion (remember them) lost at Georgetown (KY) College, 138-27 on Sunday.


I saw that score in the paper, got wonder who is drawing up OSU-Marion's schedule.


CC, got to love the output from Scranton's sophmores though!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on December 11, 2006, 12:12:04 PM
Mike Kreuter has had back spasms & a pinched nerve in his neck. Knightstalker, as hard as it may seem, some kids are really good high school students then find the "freedom" of college life a little too much to handle. This situation may lead an otherwise good kid down a very slippery slope & shortly thereafter they are asked to leave. Having someone else take their SAT's...I think this story tends to be embellished each year and has now taken on mythical proportions. See you next year when we find out that not only did his "sister" take his SAT's, but that his older brother actually drove in from Jersey on 3 different game days & suited up.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 11, 2006, 12:20:00 PM
Burning Question: Is this 6-7+ fella from Long Island maybe related to that College of Charleston transfer who's reportedly still looking (it's been maybe five years now, at least) for the Wilkes campus?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on December 11, 2006, 12:34:15 PM
My brother's room-mate used to brag a lot, he was also drunk every time I saw him.  He was not a good student in High School.  Father Rock the dorm advisor really liked the kid.  He was a really nice guy but not a good student, but somehow he managed to play for two years before flunking out. My parents used to wonder how he stayed in school when he was never in class.  He was also on an academic "Scholarship" to go to Scranton.  Possibly he went to the College of Charleston after Scranton and is now drunkenly wandering the hills of Eastern PA trying to find Wilkes.  Actually someone said last year he runs a beer distributorship, he should be a beer expert by now.

When I took the SAT's all they checked for was two sharpened #2 pencils and that nobody had a slide rule or a circa TI-80 calculator.  They even gave everyone extra #2 pencils.  You used to show up at the testing site with your pencils and letter and that was it.  Someone could easily have replaced you once the tests started.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on December 11, 2006, 02:06:30 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on December 11, 2006, 12:20:00 PM
Burning Question: Is this 6-7+ fella from Long Island maybe related to that College of Charleston transfer who's reportedly still looking (it's been maybe five years now, at least) for the Wilkes campus?

Nah, we're talking from 1975-76 until he was shown the door after the first semester of his junior year. The kid wasn't good on the court but as for his academics, I have no idea. I wasn't in his classes.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 11, 2006, 02:34:45 PM
Any comments on how the league shakes out, after 2 league games?


Lyco looks to have lost alot with the graduation of Pribble..
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on December 12, 2006, 09:40:25 AM
DeSales is 2-0, Drew is 0-2, everyone else is 1-1.  Using the always flawed, "If A beat B, then A is better" logic, DeSales already clinched the #1 seed.  Observe:

DeSales wrecked King's (82-55), who beat Scranton (75-69), who beat FDU-Florham (78-70).

DeSales wrecked DelVal (85-62), who beat Wilkes (77-66), who beat Lycoming (65-49), who beat Drew (65-53).

But, then again, 3-5 Misericordia also beat DeSales AT Billera Hall (dump).  Misericordia, who lost to Baptist Bible, who lost to Keystone.  Whaddya say we just fold up the conference and call it a season?

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 12, 2006, 10:52:10 AM
One of these days we will get a team back in the Top 25...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wb1313 on December 12, 2006, 11:47:52 AM
Nepa...i'm not holding my breath on that one! 

CJ..are you playing 6 degrees to a national championship?  If you find a way to have Baptist Bible win the National Title this year i'll be the next 30 pack.  Gotta throw that out there since I know you're hurting from Fantasy football!   ;)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on December 12, 2006, 01:02:08 PM
Maybe not a National Title, but...

#7 Ohio Northern (at home) lost to Baldwin-Wallace 94-77.
Baldwin-Wallace lost to Alvernia 71-62.
Alvernia and Wilkes have a common opponent, Immaculata.
Wilkes beat Immaculata by 6, Alvernia beat Immaculata by 1.

Simple as that, and based on a 6 point home win over a 1-7 team, Wilkes is one of the top 10 teams in the nation.  Any questions?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 12, 2006, 01:29:11 PM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on December 12, 2006, 01:02:08 PM

Simple as that, and based on a 6 point home win over a 1-7 team, Wilkes is one of the top 10 teams in the nation.  Any questions?

I have a question. Are you writing prescriptions for yourself again?  :o ;)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 12, 2006, 04:15:45 PM
I don't want to rehash the debate, but according to this article..the OSU-Marion coach is 44 and has two years of eligability. This is who Lincoln was against...and then the coach is playing the victim in the NYtimes...

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/09/sports/ncaabasketball/09lincoln.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin


my only question is how many of those emails were from Cold Case?  ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on December 12, 2006, 08:59:32 PM
I didn't bother even to think about it. However, I honestly do know someone that e-mailed the Lincoln coach.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 13, 2006, 10:13:03 AM
Quote from: cold_case on December 12, 2006, 08:59:32 PM
I didn't bother even to think about it. However, I honestly do know someone that e-mailed the Lincoln coach.

Wilburt doesn't count.....
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on December 13, 2006, 11:33:55 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 13, 2006, 10:13:03 AM
Wilburt doesn't count.....

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wilburt on December 13, 2006, 12:06:35 PM
I'm touched.  You guys will never forget me...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: WolfPAC on December 13, 2006, 10:39:37 PM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on December 12, 2006, 01:02:08 PM
Maybe not a National Title, but...

#7 Ohio Northern (at home) lost to Baldwin-Wallace 94-77.
Baldwin-Wallace lost to Alvernia 71-62.
Alvernia and Wilkes have a common opponent, Immaculata.
Wilkes beat Immaculata by 6, Alvernia beat Immaculata by 1.

Simple as that, and based on a 6 point home win over a 1-7 team, Wilkes is one of the top 10 teams in the nation.  Any questions?



I believe half the Alvernia team was studying for finals during that game and their top two players were not there.   

If thats the case, then the national title would easily be Wooster.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 14, 2006, 10:08:56 AM
Quote from: WolfPAC on December 13, 2006, 10:39:37 PM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on December 12, 2006, 01:02:08 PM
Maybe not a National Title, but...

#7 Ohio Northern (at home) lost to Baldwin-Wallace 94-77.
Baldwin-Wallace lost to Alvernia 71-62.
Alvernia and Wilkes have a common opponent, Immaculata.
Wilkes beat Immaculata by 6, Alvernia beat Immaculata by 1.

Simple as that, and based on a 6 point home win over a 1-7 team, Wilkes is one of the top 10 teams in the nation.  Any questions?



I believe half the Alvernia team was studying for finals during that game and their top two players were not there.   

If thats the case, then the national title would easily be Wooster.


I need a translator..
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on December 14, 2006, 10:50:28 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on December 12, 2006, 01:29:11 PM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on December 12, 2006, 01:02:08 PM

Simple as that, and based on a 6 point home win over a 1-7 team, Wilkes is one of the top 10 teams in the nation.  Any questions?

I have a question. Are you writing prescriptions for yourself again?  :o ;)

Warren - welcome back.  To answer the question, nahh, I don't buy the whole logic above.  My favorite one of those progressions, in 1991, had 1-10 Bowling Green winning the (D-1) college football National Title.  But, hey, at least we have a playoff system.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on December 14, 2006, 03:42:21 PM
So after two bad losses (DeSales and E-Town) and one ugly win (BBC), I'm still maintaing the line "King's is trying to find themselves".

Overall, not impressed by anyone in this league yet.  We'll see how it shakes out in 2007.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wb1313 on December 15, 2006, 12:07:32 PM
A little off topic here but since i'm a Big 10 alum I thought i'd bring this up.  Wheaton played Northwestern and kept it close...as in 41-39 close with Wheaton getting a last second three opportunity to win.  Two questions on this.  One is anyone else extremely surprised by this score? Also, what does Northwestern gain from a game like this?  One more question...Northwestern is bad at offense but 41-39...cmon! 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 15, 2006, 12:22:28 PM
Quote from: wb1313 on December 15, 2006, 12:07:32 PM
A little off topic here but since i'm a Big 10 alum I thought i'd bring this up.  Wheaton played Northwestern and kept it close...as in 41-39 close with Wheaton getting a last second three opportunity to win.  Two questions on this.  One is anyone else extremely surprised by this score? Also, what does Northwestern gain from a game like this?  One more question...Northwestern is bad at offense but 41-39...cmon! 



Is Wheaton good? Northwestern in no slouch....i am sure everyone is suprised by this score!  Third question can DEL VAL pull off the same feat this weekend vs NAVY?  ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on December 15, 2006, 12:23:58 PM
Here's more news. Lincoln was beaten by PSU-Altoona last night, 95-86. Altoona entered the game with a 1-7 record, and it was the second straight loss for Lincoln since their 201 point outburst against OSU-Marion.
Obviously, gaining such negative publicity after rolling up that many points has had some affect on Lincoln, in particular, Sami Wylie, who scored 69 points while attempting 44 three's against OSU-Marion, but tallied just 10 points on 2-of-15 shooting, including 1-of-12 from behind the arc against Altoona.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 16, 2006, 03:09:58 AM
Well, a perusal of the box score reveals some notable names missing for Lincoln, FWIW.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on December 16, 2006, 10:17:50 AM
Lincoln is 0-2 since the 201 point game?  Mere evidence of the college basketball gods.  Trifle not with the football gods, lest ye be cursed.

T minus 4 1/2 hours until the "Showdown in Middletown"...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: adam on December 16, 2006, 12:21:10 PM
Showdown in Middletown John, that's kind of weak.   ???

Someone brought up the old days of Freedom League Survivor a few weeks back.  I doubt it, but if there's any way any of those posts are out there to be found, I'd love to see them again.  I just remember Stephen Loud getting beat up every week.
I recall Bessoir interfering in the final round.  Other competitors I remember were Greg Sumner (Uncle Fester) from Drew, possibly a Rutherford from Lyco, and the kid from Desales who did the throatslash before the Wilkes game (which got him dq'd from survivor in the first round).
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on December 16, 2006, 05:28:49 PM
Whaaat?  Showdown... Middletown.  It rhymes.  What would you have preferred, "Atrocity in Capitol City"?  As a participant in Survivor II, I wish I would have saved some of the messages, but yeah, they're probably long gone.  And Stephen Loud wants no part of a bowling rematch at Green Ridge Lanes.

Wilkes gets up by 20 about halfway through the 1st, PSU-HBG sneaks back to 13 by halftime.  Here's the fun part.  First 10 minutes of the 2nd half, Wilkes goes on a 28-3 run.  One guy (Hitz) had a bucket, and about 7 minutes later hit a free throw.  That's your 3 points.  To answer your questions: 1. Yes, the bench was emptied  2. No, Tyler Jenkins didn't score, and 3. There was no full-court press, and threes were at a minimum late.  Final score: 88-53.

Kresge, Gulla, and the tastefully named John Kelly continue to impress.  I don't have the stats, and won't speculate on anything, but PSU didn't have an answer for Gabriel all day.  I'm guessing he had a big day.

Of note, I've seen 3 digits worth of Wilkes basketball games.  This is the first one I can recall where Coach R kept his sportscoat on the entire time.  In student sections of years past, a popular game was guessing how long until the jacket gets tossed.  Perhaps no more...

My reaction upon entering PSU-HBG's gym, verbatim:  "Hey... where are the banners?"  Not meaning to knock a devloping program, but a quick piece of advice - invest in a scoreboard that lists number of team fouls.  In a close game, knowing who's "in the bonus" is relevant stuff.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: WolfPAC on December 17, 2006, 09:20:00 AM
Seems like the PAC is becoming a formidable level of competition for the MAC very slowly.

Why did Albright lose?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on December 17, 2006, 11:17:27 AM
On any given night one of the better PAC teams could give a mid to low level MAC team trouble...and conversly, a lower tier MAC team could easily sneak up on one of the PAC's best. Just the nature of the beast in the early season. So far Scranton is 2-0 vs. the PAC, knocking off Miseri by 9 in Dallas & just last evening thumping Cabrini in Radnor by 29. Speaking of Cabrini, it seems their season has gone in the tank big time since blowing a 31 point second half lead to Miseri at home a few weeks back.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: WolfPAC on December 17, 2006, 09:33:20 PM
Quote from: saratoga on December 17, 2006, 11:17:27 AM
On any given night one of the better PAC teams could give a mid to low level MAC team trouble...and conversly, a lower tier MAC team could easily sneak up on one of the PAC's best. Just the nature of the beast in the early season. So far Scranton is 2-0 vs. the PAC, knocking off Miseri by 9 in Dallas & just last evening thumping Cabrini in Radnor by 29. Speaking of Cabrini, it seems their season has gone in the tank big time since blowing a 31 point second half lead to Miseri at home a few weeks back.

Agree with the PAC vs MAC as you say.

Cabrini has a serious coaching problem and many of their top players last year exited due to the new coach screaming at them with a lack of respect.
The program is going to hell there.  Not sure if anyone there cares anymore because of what happened to Dzik.

Winds of change are blowing.  It is rumored the coach is not going to be there much longer.  Time will tell..

February will show how good the MAC/PAC is when Alvernia is in the field again.  However Alvernia is only 7 deep.

Thx for the response.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chizwiz on December 18, 2006, 12:28:42 PM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on December 16, 2006, 10:17:50 AM
Lincoln is 0-2 since the 201 point game?  Mere evidence of the college basketball gods.  Trifle not with the football gods, lest ye be cursed.

T minus 4 1/2 hours until the "Showdown in Middletown"...


Yeah, college basketball gods would not have approved of what Lincoln did to its opponent (if you can dignify their opposing team as such).  By Lincoln's press statement, it shows what many believed - they exhibited little respect for the opposing team/coach, a lack of sportsmanship, making Lincoln look somewhat classless.  Anyway, the aforementioned "gods" are taking it out on them now.  I don't think Lincoln is as good as it thought after a loss to a 1-7 team.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 19, 2006, 10:58:24 AM
Scranton in Las Vegas tonight to play Denison.I guess Krueter's injuries are serious, he is off the team offiically.Too bad he couldn't finish out his four years....
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on December 19, 2006, 11:50:01 AM
Quote from: WolfPAC on December 17, 2006, 09:33:20 PMCabrini has a serious coaching problem and many of their top players last year exited due to the new coach screaming at them with a lack of respect.

I thought Jim Casciano was coaching New Jersey Tech? ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopzwiz on December 19, 2006, 11:51:26 AM
Quote from: WolfPAC on December 17, 2006, 09:20:00 AM
Seems like the PAC is becoming a formidable level of competition for the MAC very slowly.

Why did Albright lose?


I'd be interested in hearing some thoughts on the MAC vs. PAC from a MAC perspective.  
Is it just perception at this point that keeps the MAC as an "elite" conference?
They have raided the PAC and taken a middle of the road team(Arcadia).  How does that help them?
Rumors about other schools are out there;  Misericordia, Marywood (these two make sense), Alvernia, Eastern (these two make no sense).  

The League as a whole seems to be in a tale spin.  There are more defections to come (Lyco, Etown).
I'd put my money on the PAC as a better overall conference right now.  More stable, improving by the year.  

Lets hear some thoughts.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 19, 2006, 12:00:21 PM
Quote from: hoopzwiz on December 19, 2006, 11:51:26 AM
Quote from: WolfPAC on December 17, 2006, 09:20:00 AM
Seems like the PAC is becoming a formidable level of competition for the MAC very slowly.

Why did Albright lose?


I'd be interested in hearing some thoughts on the MAC vs. PAC from a MAC perspective. 
Is it just perception at this point that keeps the MAC as an "elite" conference?
They have raided the PAC and taken a middle of the road team(Arcadia).  How does that help them?
Rumors about other schools are out there;  Misericordia, Marywood (these two make sense), Alvernia, Eastern (these two make no sense). 

The League as a whole seems to be in a tale spin.  There are more defections to come (Lyco, Etown).
I'd put my money on the PAC as a better overall conference right now.  More stable, improving by the year. 

Lets hear some thoughts.

Herewith some thoughts:

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopzwiz on December 19, 2006, 12:04:03 PM
I guess its all gossip at this point.
ETown sees themselves as a "high academic" school.  With the other elite academic schools leaving why would they stay?  They have made no attempt to try and hide that they are interested in leaving.
Lyco is looking for a football fix to the Del. Val problem that started all of this.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopzwiz on December 19, 2006, 12:06:31 PM
Perhaps 'raided' is a harsh term.
If the PAC is the ugly stepsister to the MAC, why would they (MAC) want any PAC schools?  Arcadia isn't the only one.  Certainly Alvernia and Eastern were involved in the discussion.  I'm assuming location would make Miseri and Marywood attractive.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 19, 2006, 12:14:29 PM
Quote from: hoopzwiz on December 19, 2006, 12:04:03 PM

Lyco is looking for a football fix to the Del. Val problem that started all of this.


Kindly explain your sentence above.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopzwiz on December 19, 2006, 12:26:32 PM
Del Val put money into football, took kids other schools couldn't/wouldn't get in, got really good really fast, other schools didn't like it.  Any thoughts or are we playing 20 questions?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 19, 2006, 12:50:37 PM
Quote from: hoopzwiz on December 19, 2006, 12:26:32 PM
Del Val put money into football, took kids other schools couldn't/wouldn't get in, got really good really fast, other schools didn't like it.  Any thoughts or are we playing 20 questions?


MAC VS. PAC in basketball or in all sports? I think you might have an arguement with all sports...but not so much with basketball.


Can't wait for the Landmark Conference board to start up and running...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopzwiz on December 19, 2006, 12:53:11 PM
Finally, someone with a thought.

Why the seperation in basketball?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 19, 2006, 01:01:36 PM
Quote from: hoopzwiz on December 19, 2006, 12:53:11 PM
Finally, someone with a thought.

Why the seperation in basketball?


looking top to bottom at the conferences you see them as being equal?  Sure Miseri beat Desales at home...but I think the worst MAC-F teams, drew, del val can outclass cabrini, immaculata , etc.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopzwiz on December 19, 2006, 01:23:49 PM
Immaculatta took Wilkes to the wire at Wilkes.  I think they will be right there for a playoff spot.
Neumann over etown at etown who smacked Kings.
Miseri lost in a nail biter to Susqu.

Miseri was voted 9th in the league poll, probably won't make the playoffs and has competed with top MAC schools.
Alvernia could beat anyone on any night.
Cabrini is struggling.
Arcadia, the newest MAC school, seems to be struggling.  Lost a couple PAC games already.

Wesley is struggling but is very talented, best player in the league.  Will still make noise in the conference.

I just don't see the separation that may have exsisted 5 or 10 years ago.
Would Del Val, FDU, and Drew dominate Miseri, Marywood and Immaculatta?  I dont think so. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 19, 2006, 03:05:43 PM
Quote from: hoopzwiz on December 19, 2006, 01:23:49 PM
Immaculatta took Wilkes to the wire at Wilkes.  I think they will be right there for a playoff spot.
Neumann over etown at etown who smacked Kings.
Miseri lost in a nail biter to Susqu.

Miseri was voted 9th in the league poll, probably won't make the playoffs and has competed with top MAC schools.
Alvernia could beat anyone on any night.
Cabrini is struggling.
Arcadia, the newest MAC school, seems to be struggling.  Lost a couple PAC games already.

Wesley is struggling but is very talented, best player in the league.  Will still make noise in the conference.

I just don't see the separation that may have exsisted 5 or 10 years ago.
Would Del Val, FDU, and Drew dominate Miseri, Marywood and Immaculatta?  I dont think so. 



Immaculatta has one victory,  so if they make the PAC playoffs that tells you something. I agree they aren't that far apart (the two leagues), but I still see the MAC-F ahead.

Why dont you write a few letters and we can set up a MAC-PAC challenge for next year at the Wachovia Arena in WB or at the Spectrum in Philly!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 19, 2006, 07:16:52 PM
Quote from: hoopzwiz on December 19, 2006, 11:51:26 AM
Quote from: WolfPAC on December 17, 2006, 09:20:00 AM
Seems like the PAC is becoming a formidable level of competition for the MAC very slowly.

Why did Albright lose?


I'd be interested in hearing some thoughts on the MAC vs. PAC from a MAC perspective. 
Is it just perception at this point that keeps the MAC as an "elite" conference?
They have raided the PAC and taken a middle of the road team(Arcadia).  How does that help them?
Rumors about other schools are out there;  Misericordia, Marywood (these two make sense), Alvernia, Eastern (these two make no sense). 

The League as a whole seems to be in a tale spin.  There are more defections to come (Lyco, Etown).
I'd put my money on the PAC as a better overall conference right now.  More stable, improving by the year. 

Lets hear some thoughts.

I don't believe either MAC would be considered an elite conference right now.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 19, 2006, 07:22:03 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 19, 2006, 07:16:52 PM

I don't believe either MAC would be considered an elite conference right now.

That's for sure, and I doubt anyone in the MAC actually sees it as an "elite" conference these days. How could they/we?

It seems that some folks from certain other conferences are assaying to create a straw man to bolster their own sense of superiority ... self-esteem ... whatever.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chizwiz on December 19, 2006, 10:54:55 PM
Here's an interesting note about this "raiding" of the PAC.  I'm sure this isn't news.  The MAC is still having discussions with EU about EU going to the PAC.  It may not make much sense to some, but academically, EU is just as strong as Arcadia.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on December 19, 2006, 11:48:42 PM
From the academic side of things, the second MAC split began about two, perhaps three years ago. All of the Presidents get the stats regarding the increase/decrease in SAT's, those enrolling from the top 10 & 20% of their H.S. graduating classes and the overall retention of both students AND professors. In some cases, there was a specific alarm sounded at some MAC schools who were "dumbing down" so to speak simply to survive financially. There was a very real concern outlined by some Presidents that was essentially ignored that then resulted in the discussion of breaking away from what was outlined as a "Disturbing Trend" of "some" member institutions. Hence, the formation of the Landmark Conference. What sealed the deal for the final segment of schools opting to leave was the admission of schools deemed "academically defeciant" as the newest members of the MAC. The result of recent decisions within the MAC have actually led to the formation of a new Conference much the way academic concerns raised a dozen years ago began the first wave of defections from the MAC. The reality of the situation is that Landmark schools really do NOT compete any longer for the same high school students as most schools either now or about to be in the MAC. They have far more in common with each other as far as admissions, type of student recruited, financial aid, endowment, research and National rather than regional marketing. Sorry to say guys but, Drew just doesn't have anything in common with Cabrini nor does Catholic with Wesley nor does Scranton with Arcadia nor Susquehanna with Alvernia...on the b-ball side of things the PAC has made great strides to close the gap...how that gap was narrowed may have a great deal to do with exactly why we are talking of an entirely new conference being developed.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 20, 2006, 09:40:14 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on December 19, 2006, 07:22:03 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 19, 2006, 07:16:52 PM

I don't believe either MAC would be considered an elite conference right now.

That's for sure, and I doubt anyone in the MAC actually sees it as an "elite" conference these days. How could they/we?

It seems that some folks from certain other conferences are assaying to create a straw man to bolster their own sense of superiority ... self-esteem ... whatever.


Hey, what is wrong with a little discussion???!

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach K on December 20, 2006, 10:25:37 AM
Here is my take (and a simple one at that)

Centennial - Your upper level academic schools, well established with rich history's, generally football dominated.

MAC and CAC - A step down from the Centennial in terms of academics, still solid schools. More of a spectrum of academics I guess I should say. Scranton is a tough school to get into, as is Moravian, where as some would say Del Val and DeSales are a bit easier to enter

PAC - Younger schools, mainly established within the past 50-60 years. Less strenuous in terms of who they allow into their schools academically out of HS. But they give kids an opportunity who may want to get into a four year institution, but who maybe didn't test well on an SAT or ACT.

I firmly believe that the education you get in everyone of the league's schools is top notch, but I believe that these are the feelings people have from reading this board, and things I have heard in the past. The East coast does a good job academically top to bottom compared to other regions, but that is just my opinion.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 20, 2006, 10:40:23 AM
Coach K:

You make some legitimate points above. While a discussion of comparative institutional academic standards is generally -- and correctly -- verboten in these rooms, it is now relevant and appropriate, to a certain degree, in that some of the MAC defections were motivated by academic concerns.

BTW there are some current MAC venues where it is  "easy" [relatively speaking] to gain entrance, but vastly more difficult to do well and graduate. Much of a student's success has to do with motivation and willingness to work hard, no matter where she or he matriculates.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chizwiz on December 20, 2006, 10:55:06 AM
saratoga,

Excellent review of the happenings, opinions, and facts.  I agree whole-heartedly with what you said, academically and athletically.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach K on December 20, 2006, 11:40:04 AM
Mr. Thompson

I agree with you as well. No matter what your SAT is to get in to an institution, you still have to do the work when you get there.

I am a graduate of Alvernia, and I feel that I got as good, if not better of an education then my friends who attended Muhlenberg, and a bunch of other MAC schools. I'd put up the people who graduate from there with any other college.

I also agree. Del Val might be "easy" to get into, but I have heard that certain programs there are as tough as can be.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: adam on December 20, 2006, 04:32:26 PM
Back to basketball for a bit if I may.

Finally got to see the Colonels last night in their defeat of Kean.  Not sure who Kean has played, but a win over an 8-1 team is always nice, especially a game where the Colonels only trailed in the first few minutes.
Nice balance from the Colonels.  Not mentioning names, but it looks like one player seems a little bit in it for himself rather than the team concept.  Be that as it may, I am looking forward to games more this year.  It's nice to wonder who will step up then wonder what Shovlin will do.  Shoblin was a fine player, but too much got brought up on things other than his basketball skills and rightfully so.
If Colonels can gel, no reason to think they couldn't contend for a playoff spot.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on December 20, 2006, 06:24:31 PM
Toga,
I thought your post was informative and well thought out.
I agree many schools were and perhaps still are "Dumbing Down" which has become a "Disturbing Trend." Heck, some schools even went to an open admissions policy because of dwindling enrollment and finance. Maybe some schools in the MAC still exercise this practice, I don't know.
However, I wanted to point out something to anyone that feels Scranton is "Holier than Thou."
After the spring semester of 2002, there was a wrestler from King's who was dismissed from the team for poor academics.  It just so happened that this kid pulled off an upset in the MAC tournament, was named the outstanding wrestler of the tournament and qualified for nationals. After he was booted from King's, he transferred to Scranton, was admitted and wrestled for the Royals the very next year. Do you honestly think that if he was not an athlete and an MAC champion, he would have been admitted to Scranton?
I understand better than anyone that there is not one school which is as pure as the driven snow and perhaps this was one incident, but Scranton did open its doors for this kid. Have they closed it since, I don't know, but it happened and I found that to be "disturbing."
I have a Communications Certificate from Da U, (a 33-credit program) and I saw a few four-year athletes wandering around that couldn't add 2+2. You know who some of them are.
I'm also aware that this is an everyday occurance at many institutions and really don't believe Scranton takes advantage of that but why do you think other schools basketball programs got turned around overnight? You got it!!!
If you don't believe this post regarding the above wrestler, you can checkout his records on the following links for King's and Scranton.

http://departments.kings.edu/athletics/men/wrestling/individual_records/2001_02_individual_records.htm

http://academic.uofs.edu/department/athletics/wrestlingstats2002-2003.htm

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach K on December 20, 2006, 10:27:42 PM
Does anyone have a list of all of the teams in the Landmark Conference?

Also, with the NEAC, do they have half their teams competing in a separate region?

Just curious
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 20, 2006, 11:44:38 PM
http://www.d3hoops.com/news.php?date=2006-11-06
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on December 21, 2006, 12:52:13 AM
CC: I have to admit I never heard of the situation with the one half of the brother duo...if you say it happened that way, then I have no reason to doubt you. I just find it hard to believe the UofS would even accept a transfer from Kings...especially if they didn't have about a 3.75 to start. Must have been his lucky day.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on December 21, 2006, 04:41:25 AM
Quote from: saratoga on December 21, 2006, 12:52:13 AM
CC: I have to admit I never heard of the situation with the one half of the brother duo...if you say it happened that way, then I have no reason to doubt you. I just find it hard to believe the UofS would even accept a transfer from Kings...especially if they didn't have about a 3.75 to start. Must have been his lucky day.

Sara - I'm sure you have the stats from the Admissions office to back up that claim about the 3.75, right?  ;)

Everyone "dumbs down" admission - even in D3.  It is what it is...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on December 21, 2006, 08:46:05 AM
Did I see correctly that King's only lost to a D-1 school (Lafayette) by 9?

Just checking...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 21, 2006, 09:10:28 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on December 21, 2006, 04:41:25 AM
Quote from: saratoga on December 21, 2006, 12:52:13 AM
CC: I have to admit I never heard of the situation with the one half of the brother duo...if you say it happened that way, then I have no reason to doubt you. I just find it hard to believe the UofS would even accept a transfer from Kings...especially if they didn't have about a 3.75 to start. Must have been his lucky day.

Sara - I'm sure you have the stats from the Admissions office to back up that claim about the 3.75, right?  ;)

Everyone "dumbs down" admission - even in D3.  It is what it is...

Yeah doesn't bother me...I am all for it!!  ;D


Yeah they Kings lost by 9 , didn't you see it on the ESPN2 bottom line?

Scranton beats 8-1 Manhattanville to win the Desert Shootout in Las Vegas...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on December 22, 2006, 02:08:11 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 21, 2006, 09:10:28 AM
Scranton beats 8-1 Manhattanville to win the Desert Shootout in Las Vegas...

Wow, good to see those two squads having a solid match now, before Manhattanville joins the MAC-F next season.  Those two could develop a serious rivalry, being in the same conference... OH WAIT, Scranton's leaving.  Morons.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 22, 2006, 01:27:41 PM
CJ, enough. Like I said, can you be any more jealous?


I don't want to take anyone to task on the board, but I will go ahead and do it anyway.

Arent they the Lafayette Leopards????? You would think you would get it right when you are writing a story on them!!!!!

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=17607663&BRD=2259&PAG=461&dept_id=460522&rfi=6
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on December 22, 2006, 01:29:33 PM
Well, I guess the gang from Wilkes will now have to develop that special something with the Madhattervilles & Arcadias of the new & improved Freedom League. Just think...this time next year Baptist Bible & Marywood may be in serious battles with Alfred Neuman & Cabrini for the remaining MAC spots!!! And the "morons" are whom??? ;)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on December 22, 2006, 02:20:07 PM
Well CorporalJohn, seems like Saratoga and NEPAFAN each had legitimate posts. Are you up to the task?

Pat, is there a chance you could put together a Landmark Conference board. It would be interesting to see how many hits it gets from the teams involved.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bziadie on December 22, 2006, 02:53:16 PM
Saratoga,

Considering you have worked for a few colleges in your day and having coached a few sports as well, thus taking on the responsibility of an educator, it amazes me to see how you consistently take shots at and insult other schools, and thus their student-athletes, coaches and administrators. 

Have the days of your former administrators counting on you to help mold the lives of 18-to-22 year old men and women become a distant memory?  For someone to have been a coach at the college level at at least two schools that I know of, it is really sad to see how frequently you come on this site and run other schools down.  The fact is, you know next to nothing about kids from Scranton, nevertheless kids from Wilkes, King's, or DeSales, to mention a few. 

Can you please share with the posters here why it is that you GET OFF so much by running others down?  Why are you so bitter?  I mean, you have got to be between 55 and 60 years old and by now I would have thought that most people your age would have tempered down a tad.  Heck you have even been ejected from a few Scranton games in the last decade. Does Moravian at the Long Center ring a bell?

It would be nice if your New Year's Resolution would be to give up running others down.  Do you think you are up to it?  It would be nice to see a kinder, gentler Saratoga who is not so judgemental.  Well, at least in my opinion. 

Somewhere inside you is a person who was taught compassion and understanding while he was a student at Scranton.  Can you just show a little of the goodness that a Scranton education was designed to instill in its students.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: adam on December 22, 2006, 03:00:40 PM
Wow, nice post Bob.

Almost makes me feel bad for all the times I've come on this board and made fun of King's.  ::)      Just kidding, with me, it's always in good fun.  Hoping I could make it to the Scandlon Gym for some of the action the next two days, but alas, Christmas shopping and other stuff may prevent me from making the two mile trip.  Hope the tourney goes well.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 22, 2006, 06:11:28 PM
Quote from: cold_case on December 22, 2006, 02:20:07 PM
Well CorporalJohn, seems like Saratoga and NEPAFAN each had legitimate posts. Are you up to the task?

Pat, is there a chance you could put together a Landmark Conference board. It would be interesting to see how many hits it gets from the teams involved.

I've kinda set precedent and such with not doing that before the conference takes the floor. When this basketball season is over we can put it up.

Might be in the Atlantic Region board, though. :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on December 22, 2006, 08:13:44 PM
Bob: First off get a clue...then a sense of humor...jeez you must be near 40 by now. I have certainly had my share of spirited conversations with the "local" posters through the years but NEVER as in NEVER have I ever once stated anything negitive about ANY player or any coach at any time. I have the utmost respect for ANY athlete that takes the TIME, EFFORT and DEDICATION it takes to participate in college athletics. There have been so many times I wanted to question you why we only seem to hear from you when Kings is winning & all the other times you seem to fade away. I have been associated with college athletics as you've stated so I do know a little about what goes on from both the recruiting angle and certainly how some schools admit some students that other schools couldn't even get on campus for a visit during an Open House Weekend. For heavens sake, last month I posted purly in jest that for the next 10 years Kings would have to play Scranton only at Scranton if the series was to continue...only one person took me serious...you. The other day I mentioned to CC that I had a hard time believing the UofS would "admit" a Kings transfer...now if you took that a little too personal and believed it then there's a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you. As a matter of fact, just yesterday I received an e-mail from one of the posters that I've known for years wondering if we should start a Bob pool to see how long it will take you to respond to the most upsurd thing we could think of. When Scranton loses I'll still post up & when they win I've never gloated. Last year after the Royals knocked off Wilkes in the Championship game I never posted on the mens side the rest of the year...it was a great game that could have went either way...no need to have fun with CJ or any other Wilkes fan at that point...it was over. When I coached our kids NEVER were allowed to ride opposing players or ever get into any form of trash talking ...respect for the opponents & their coaches was standard. So please don't give me this nonsense that I have no idea what's going on certain schools...for God's sake through the years I've seen and heard what goes on and if the NCAA had the manpower to investigate, a number of schools would have some serious discussions to prepair for. As for your reference to being "bitter"...you take yourself far too seriously. I have a blast each day...love my family,the job, the dog,wave the flag and have some fun on D3Hoops...and every now and then I get to discuss things in a manner of joking around that I've never taken personal. At some point in your life, I suggest you do the same. And, by the way, I've just turned the Big 50 in case you're keeping score. Oh, and one more thing...it was Desales not Moravian & it was because an elbow was thrown to the head a Royal player right in front of the ref who was already letting the game get way too physical. Just tried to help him out & he took exception...I wish he paid as much attention to what was going on in the game instead of what was being said in the stands. Enjoy life & have some fun Bob...and don't be afraid to laugh once in a while & every now & then remember...it's just a game...life goes on. Have a Merry Christmas and relax...high blood pressure is not a good thing. P.S. Could you have the powers to be at Kings get around to changing the banner that reads FDU Madison...I think its been Florham for about 6 years now.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bziadie on December 22, 2006, 11:36:06 PM
Saratoga,

It is hard for me to read into the humor of someone who is consistently negative on this site. I guarantee you that if a poll was taken here the overwhelming amount of posters would say your posts are more negative.  I mean, seriously, you are the only poster I have ever come out and questioned.  Don't you think there is a reason for that?  I can certainly tell the different between good-natured ribbing/banter from insulting attacks.

I think your biggest problem is that you hear things around the conference that may or may not be true and you run with it.  But you always seem to conveniently overlook similar happenings at your own house, ie: Dexter Manley. I have been around this area for a long time, and you know as well as I do that it is a fact.  I know people who went there and coached there and have heard a number of stories about the things you say happens at other schools. I would never mention names but there are plenty.

You said that through the years you have seen and heard what goes on at other schools.  Then certainly you must know your house has done the same over the years. But then again, do you really think that the rumors, and maybe even facts, that you hear from your "sources" are going to come out and tell you about the similar scenarios in their own house.  Coaches love tell people about the kid they were recruiting that got accepted into this school and that school, or got the big financial aid package. But you almost never hear them admit when THEY get a kid that was in the same category. 

And as far as my posting only when King's wins. That is not at all true.  I hardly ever post here to begin with, win or lose. In fact, prior to the above post, my most recent post was regarding the King's women's team who have lost four of their last five games. Many of my posts come in defense of others when I see things said that are not true. 

And as far as me needing a sense of humor, I have seen far too many of your negative posts, repetitive posts degrading schools and their academics, to find humor in it, especially when I get to personally know many great kids one-on-one who would have been just as successful at your house as they were here.  While you say you have not have singled out players or coaches by name (I do recall you slamming J.P. during his first or second year) your broad-based comments reflect on more than a single person, they attack the integrity of the schools. 

So go ahead and start you Bob Pool, it won't faze me at all.  That is just one example of how petty you are.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on December 23, 2006, 01:45:52 AM
Bob: Let me try it this way...why don't you just stick to your SID duties at Kings and stay away from this site if you can't deal with some busting going on back & forth. What I have a hard time understanding right now is that when you wanted "clarification" on certain issues or players in the past you would e-mail me personally & we'd discuss the matter...now you come on here like you're the champion of the poor underdog...please!!! In all honesty, I believe you are the only SID in the entire universe that makes a habit of extolling the virtues of your school or providing the current update of 101 excuses for poor performance on this page. You say you "don't mention names"...I wonder what Mr. Manley has to say about that? You say you don't "post"... my goodness Bob, you have more posts in one season than the entire group of all other MAC SID's combined. Hopefully, Kings can provide you with some Post Graduate courses in Rheteric...shortly thereafter, my hope would be that you could distinguish between satire,  actual negitivity, busting, reality and the wisdom to understand the differences. By the way, I NEVER "slammed" JP in any way at any time for any reason...again, more than likely another misunderstood comment by you. He was a true gentleman when he played the game at Scranton, when he coached there & just because circumstances didn't work out in his favor for the head job...that would never equate to all of a sudden changing ones opinion of an individual. Don't start creating issues that never existed...do your job, report the scores, the highlights & the stats & when you truly are confused about a statement...hold off commenting until you've had enough time to figure it out...or e-mail me as you've done in the past and a serious dialog can take place.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 23, 2006, 02:10:12 AM
I hardly see 28 posts in 12 months as an indictable offense. There are two SIDs on the PAC board who have made a similar number of posts in the past 12 months. The Centennial's commissioner has made nearly that many posts. There are two SIDs on the CAC board who have made many more than 28 posts.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on December 23, 2006, 03:43:41 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 22, 2006, 01:27:41 PM
I don't want to take anyone to task on the board, but I will go ahead and do it anyway.

Arent they the Lafayette Leopards????? You would think you would get it right when you are writing a story on them!!!!!

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=17607663&BRD=2259&PAG=461&dept_id=460522&rfi=6
Good pickup.  Where did they get Cougars from?  One need only go to http://goleopards.cstv.com to check out Lafayette athletics.  Fact checking, people!  Fundamentals!

Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 22, 2006, 01:27:41 PM
CJ, enough. Like I said, can you be any more jealous?
NEPA, it's never been jealousy.  Scranton's got one thing on Wilkes, and that's more downtown bars.  (OK, and 2 National Titles, but they were a while ago...)  It's just about exposing Scranton's administrative ignorance.  A move like this won't help the University.  Period.  Whoops, there I go attacking an entire school's integrity.  ;D

To Pat's point, the last 3 Bob Ziadie posts I remember were all about, "You can listen to tonight's King's vs [team here] on 88.5 FM."  You know, doing his job.  Despite the institution, he's a class guy.  Whoops, there I go again...

Sara - a larger question, you got kicked out of a DeSales game?  Good job.  I'm starting to gain some respect for you.  I have little doubt that a MAC-F ref could miss a flying elbow at the Long Center.  Hell, Jason Fisher made a career out of it!  I can think of at least one game where I should have been kicked out, had it not been for a certain level-headed SID at King's.

May you all have a Merry Christmas... yes, even the Scranton fans...

In case I don't get to Post Up before then, my wish for the New Year:  A new Wilkes fan will appear on the message board.  Possibly named "Eye In the Sky"?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach C on December 23, 2006, 08:32:58 AM
Bob, Saratoga,

Please for the love of God knock it off.  Bob, you have a pretty good resume as the SID at King's.  You demean yourself and your institution by doing this on here.  I don't have a problem with SIDs, Ads, Coaches, Players or Commissioners posting.  I do have a problem when it seems to get personal.

Saratoga,

You have a longhistory on this board.  I respect you.  You often have 'scoop' type insights.  This time you are you are lettin things go a bit too far. 

Each of you relax and have a holiday beverage or three.

Peace,

C
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 23, 2006, 11:37:23 AM
Mmmmm..... holiday beverage..... :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on December 23, 2006, 03:03:33 PM
Coach C: I agree completely...time to move on. Merry Christmas to all...yes, to you Bob & even CJ! By the way CJ...did Jason have his push off down to a teachable science or what? There's been none better since. Happy Holidays.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: adam on December 23, 2006, 04:54:44 PM
The Jason Fisher elbow will never be topped in any of our lifetimes, or our children's lifetimes.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on December 27, 2006, 06:38:04 PM
Fellas,

Catching up on some of the posts and seems we are a bit off topic lately.

So, in between some pressing biz matters, hoiday travel etc.,  I had the time to take in a few Wilkes games (Clarkson, Kean, Miseri, Ursinus) and some Monarch hoops as well (Ursinus and Miseri).

Observations,

Kings:

Same old same old----
They are pretty big (Sobo, Nenstiel, Scalzo) ......but not all that quick up front.
It is nice to see Bob N. 'back' after his injury last year (back injury so I heard that could have eneded his career).
Certainly the Kings froncourt hasn't been on weightwatchers this summer and fall.
They appear to be much bigger...lol...

Cousart, Kofi, Welch man the backcourt with some others (Black) getting some minutes.  Again, they are playing solid.

Much like last year, I think Kings is susceptible to a quicker team that applies pressure. The Monarchs seem more comfortable in their halfcourt sets working some sceens, posting up and working and an in-out game at times.

Certainly a conference contender but I not sure that they have improved all that much over 2005-06 version.

Wilkes-

This is a bigger Wilkes team than the past few years and not nearly so guard oriented.
A terrific trio of freshman are having an immediate impact. Tom Kresge, Chris Gula and Anthony Gabriel can all play.
And what is more---in looking at the acadiemic side---all mades deans list for the first semester!!

Gould is playing tenaciously as ever......Kable is as deadly as ever with the 3 pointers and Steve Kline is emerging.

So far, Coach JR has pretty much stuck to a 8 man rotation (Dan Adams, John Kelly--a talented LCC transfer--being the other 2 getting most of the minutes).

Wilkes handled the Kean press which led to that victory. Kean was a short team but very athletic and pressed most of the 1st half and the entire 2nd half. Kean deployed a 1-3-1 zone press and trapped the ball all over the court. Matt Gould had an outstanding game...

Prior to that was the Clarkson debacle. Final score was no indication of the game. Wilkes played sluggish for the first 25 minutes but began to assert themselves middle of the 2nd half. They actually stole the ball 5 times in a few minutes time span for breakaway layups and scored none. (Gabriel literally stripped the ball twice .....let's see...Gable palmed one as did Kresge....JK missed a dunk/layup which would have put Wilkes up 7, MG missed one I think etc,. ) Add that to some late dribbling miscues etc, and it was a total meltdown.

Colonels blasted Ursinus in a dominant 2nd half holding their opponents to 21 2nd half points.
Miseri has a funky team. They like to run and shoot---and shoot they do. they hoist no conscious threes from everywhere. And they all can shoot.....
Miseri had both Wilkes and Kings down around 10 points during their respective games. Miseri is much better than their record indicates imho.

As for Wilkes, they do miss CS quickness in the backcourt but John Kelly and Chris Gula are improving every game. The inside game could become dominant. Kresge is as good as any frosh I have seen. Tall, quick, agile with a touch.  Gabriel has terrific low post moves, never quits for a second and can drain a 3. Kline has sneaky good moves around the hoop, has been taking and making his shot. His talent is strating to show. Dan Adams is the Wilkes garbageman in the mold of Bailey Howell. Finally, Gula (1 L or 2?) is a natural. Excellent ballhandler, penetrates and shoots. Pretty well put together for a frosh and a hardnosed player.

Maybe the Colonels aren't quite there yet---but they make make some noise late Jan and Feb.

For now

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ronk on December 27, 2006, 11:54:26 PM
Naismith,
      Bailey Howell? You've got to be at least 55 to appreciate the comparison. Think his college team had to sneak out of the state(Ms.) to play in the NCAA tournament against Loyola.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on December 28, 2006, 10:59:58 AM
Naismith,  I like the Bailey Howell reference.  He knew all the tricks of the trade down in the paint.  Some even considered him a "dirty" player.   However, he scored over 2000 points in just 3 years at Miss St.  He was taken number 2 in the 1959 NBA draft, ahead of a guy named Wilt Chamberlain.  Howell averaged 18.7 ppg and 9.9 rpg for his career and ended up in the basketball Hall of Fame.   That's a lot of garbage!!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wb1313 on December 29, 2006, 09:08:18 PM
Wilkes has some good young talent and it will be fun to watch them develop over the next few years.  The only question is does Rickrode have another Tournament run in him?

Bob and Saratoga...you two are forgetting MAC Freedom League board policy number one.  All banter between posters shall be pointless mudslinging and shall be done tongue in cheek.  Trust me, I've learned quite a few chants for your schools that should remind you of the true spirit of this board and the Holiday Season.

For Scranton:
Fags wear purple and Catholic girls are easy

For King's:
If you can't get in to college go to King's (clap, clap)

There are others such as Desales:
Nice dump you have here, oh this is your basketball court

And my favorite - FDU and Drew




(crickets chirping)  No one from FDU or Drew has actually seen a basketball game in years and thus we cannot confirm or deny that they have fans. 

Happy New Year everyone!  My New Year's resolution is to finally find the mysterious CofC transfer, put a bow on his head and deliver him to FirstMateJohn's doorstep.   

"And Wb1313 exclaimed as he rode out of site (get it..site  ;D), Merry Christmas to all and to Scranton you still suck!!"
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on December 30, 2006, 08:10:24 AM
Wilkes does have a nice freshmen crop of players in Kresge, Gabriel, and Gulla.  Does any other team in the Freedom have as many good looking rookies?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: susquejamma on December 30, 2006, 04:38:37 PM
Quote from: wb1313 on December 29, 2006, 09:08:18 PM
Bob and Saratoga...you two are forgetting MAC Freedom League board policy number one.  All banter between posters shall be pointless mudslinging and shall be done tongue in cheek.  Trust me, I've learned quite a few chants for your schools that should remind you of the true spirit of this board and the Holiday Season.

For Scranton:
Fags wear purple and Catholic girls are easy

For King's:
If you can't get in to college go to King's (clap, clap)

There are others such as Desales:
Nice dump you have here, oh this is your basketball court

And my favorite - FDU and Drew

(crickets chirping)  No one from FDU or Drew has actually seen a basketball game in years and thus we cannot confirm or deny that they have fans. 

Happy New Year everyone!  My New Year's resolution is to finally find the mysterious CofC transfer, put a bow on his head and deliver him to FirstMateJohn's doorstep.   

"And Wb1313 exclaimed as he rode out of site (get it..site  ;D), Merry Christmas to all and to Scranton you still suck!!"

Not only are you ignorant, your humor is stale, offensive and disrespectful. And you, sir, are a homophobe.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wb1313 on December 30, 2006, 06:56:56 PM
Who is this guy?  Susquehanna should worry about beating a team with a pulse before their fans start talking.  Great 105-60 win over Penn College (sarcasm)

Let's see: collective wins over
Penn College
King's (who is a little down this year)
Marywood
Moravian
Miseri
Lyco
Suny Cortland

That's a real collection of tournament teams if I've seen one  :P

Next up: Catholic 

If you beat them (or even keep it within 10) come back and talk.  Until then, I think you should realize that I was trying to lighten up the mood on the board and thus you should not let the door hit you in the ass on the way out! Last I checked Susquehanna wasn't a MAC Freedom League team but correct me if i'm wrong   ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 30, 2006, 11:09:23 PM
Ahem:

Susquehanna's schedule is not relevant to a discussion of your poor judgment in posting language, wb1313.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: susquejamma on December 31, 2006, 01:49:50 AM
Quote from: wb1313 on December 30, 2006, 06:56:56 PM
Who is this guy?  Susquehanna should worry about beating a team with a pulse before their fans start talking.  Great 105-60 win over Penn College (sarcasm)

Let's see: collective wins over....

That's a real collection of tournament teams if I've seen one  :P

Next up: Catholic 

If you beat them (or even keep it within 10) come back and talk.  Until then, I think you should realize that I was trying to lighten up the mood on the board and thus you should not let the door hit you in the ass on the way out! Last I checked Susquehanna wasn't a MAC Freedom League team but correct me if i'm wrong   ;D

Apparently, my earlier posts must have bewildered you, wb1313. As a resident of Wilkes-Barre, former Colonel fan and a devout follower of Division III basketball, I believe I have made it clear of my interests in the Freedom League. I'm sure I've seen more Freedom games in my lifetime than you have, and I am also keeping up on future Landmark Conference foe Scranton. Be it as it may, there is nothing contractually wrong with posting in other conference's forums. To be honest, I am ashamed to be from a city where such bigotry resides and, if anything, I am trying to counter your ignorant rhetoric. If it were a fellow Crusader fan posting discriminating statements about Widener or Lebanon Valley, I'd be acting the same way.

As far as Susquehanna's toughness of schedule, which has no bearing since it isn't inherent to my complaints in the first place: Wilkes' fans have no right to criticize Susquehanna. After the Crusaders played arguably its worst 25 minutes of the season, the Colonels nearly blew a 20-point lead in the second half. Wilkes should consider itself lucky as it couldn't handle Susquehanna's press and turned the ball over 28 times. If Susquehanna's best defenseman, freshman Bryan Majors, had stayed out of foul trouble, you can be assured that the Crusaders would have gone on top in the late changes of the game. Despite the issue of foul trouble, Susquehanna came within a Kevin Cuff three-pointer -- that spun out of the basket at the buzzer -- of a win. How do you like them apples? Anyone attending that game, and I am assuming you did not, was sure to notice that Susquehanna outhustled the Colonels. Regardless of the loss, it is safe to say that a seniorless team without its captain is in the same boat as Wilkes. Even if it hasn't played Ursinus, Kean or PSU-Harrisburg. I believe the win of King's is credible; whereas the Monarchs did beat Widener and Scranton -- both respectable opponents.

Rest assured, I believe your inexcusable discourse does not "lighten up the mood." Grow up. Not only does it speak ill of yourself, but also the school and city you represent. It does create a hostile environment for all of us. You introduce nothing to debate by calling Scranton "fags" and its female students "easy." You will be mistaken to find few Catholic girls with lower moral standards than you.

And no right-minded person in here is laughing at it. Only at you.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on December 31, 2006, 12:29:33 PM
susquejamma,
First let me say that I like reading your posts since they're percise and to the point. I also couldn't help noticing your post times (early AM hours). The only other person that posts so early in the morning is Corporal John. You're not one in the same, are you?
I also noticed you mentioned Wilkes-Barre is a city filled with bigotry. I know the definition, but can you elaborate on your reference?
That being said, you have to understand where the Corporal and wb1313 are coming from. They came in following D-III at a time when Wilkes was King of the Freedom (granted mostly under the Jannuzzi era).
They both know that times have changed with schools like Scranton, King's, Lyco and DeSales now being coached by young, energetic men that beat the bushes for talent.
Heck, Wilkes hasn't won a thing in how many years now?
Also, I'd like to point out that both the Corporal and wb1313 are envious of Scranton, in particular. They know the rich history of its past and see them getting back to the forefront and that really rankles them to no end, thus their "fag" and "easy gal" remarks.
Childish? Yes, but that's the only way they feel they can get even.
My take on all this is that both of them are glad to see Scranton get out of the Freedom because it's one HUGE obstacle now out of their way. Their school can't run off long win streaks against the Royals anymore and that is yet another burr in their saddles.
Checking other posts, I noticed one person asked if there is any other team in the Freedom that has so many good looking rookies as Wilkes.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but reading this board for so many years, it's a known fact that Wilkes always gets the cream of the crop in D-III, so why is this year any different?
I also read one fan (who promised me dinner at Brutico's) said Wilkes has an LCCC transfer. That speaks for itself.
Perhaps Saratoga has some valid points to his posts in regards to academics?
I posted about a King's wrestler who had academic shortcomings and applied to and was accepted at Scranton. That is true but the kid, as I found out later, is intelligent but didn't apply himself at King's. He woke up when he was fortunate to get into Scranton, that I can attest.
Two final things. One is that Scranton is going to be annoucing "BIG" news, but not until everything is finalized. Yes, Corporal and wb, it has to do with basketball and you may want to feel lucky Scranton is leaving the Freedom.
Lastly, Pat, is there any way your could reconsider and put up a Landmark forum now instead of the end of the basketball season?
If you do, I'll send you a 1964 Juan Marichal baseball card, which is in very good to excellent condition.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 02, 2007, 08:23:26 AM
Naismith good to see you again, I was getting worried!


CC Big news??? I hope you arent hyping it up!! ;D


The whole College of Charleston starting five are transferring to Scranton?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 02, 2007, 08:28:03 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 02, 2007, 08:23:26 AM
Naismith good to see you again, I was getting worried!


CC Big news??? I hope you arent hyping it up!! ;D


The whole College of Charleston starting five are transferring to Scranton?

Perhaps the Royals are resuming football ... though it will be Gaelic-style?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 02, 2007, 09:05:57 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on January 02, 2007, 08:28:03 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 02, 2007, 08:23:26 AM
Naismith good to see you again, I was getting worried!


CC Big news??? I hope you arent hyping it up!! ;D


The whole College of Charleston starting five are transferring to Scranton?

Perhaps the Royals are resuming football ... though it will be Gaelic-style?


Or Cold Case and Saratoga will be replacing Danzig as a tag team head coaching combo..
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 02, 2007, 09:10:08 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 02, 2007, 09:05:57 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on January 02, 2007, 08:28:03 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 02, 2007, 08:23:26 AM
Naismith good to see you again, I was getting worried!


CC Big news??? I hope you arent hyping it up!! ;D


The whole College of Charleston starting five are transferring to Scranton?

Perhaps the Royals are resuming football ... though it will be Gaelic-style?


Or Cold Case and Saratoga will be replacing Danzig as a tag team head coaching combo..

Or CJ4L will shortly announce he's been hired as the official team apothecary, thus putting paid to his life-long dislike of all things Scranton.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 02, 2007, 05:41:35 PM
A couple of notes:

Susquewhatever,

Good analysis of the Sus-Wilkes contest.
Did not attend but spoke to some Colonel faithful who attended...yes...a few more seconds and it would have been an 'L' for the colonels. Prior to the game, Coach JR had mentioned that he had seen the Kings game and the Susquehanna was very very good.

So I look for your squad to be in the thick of things.

CC,

I thought u said Bruticos was overrated and u wanted to change to Antonio's or Alexander's or something like that.
Hey, that gift certificate didn't have an expiration date so call me or e-mail and pick the day. Looking forward to it.
Anyway, it was none other than the immortal Coach Bob B, while attending the Monarch classic, who  remarked in my company that he was extremely impressed with the 3 Wilkes freshman mentioned on the board.


"Big" news:

I think the Colonels may also have some news along those lines as well.

Later

Naismith


Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on January 02, 2007, 05:52:06 PM
Quote from: naismith on January 02, 2007, 05:41:35 PM
Anyway, it was none other than the immortal Coach Bob B, while attending the Monarch classic, who  remarked in my company that he was extremely impressed with the 3 Wilkes freshman mentioned on the board.

"Big" news:
I think the Colonels may also have some news along those lines as well.

Nais, first of all, don't listen to Bess. The guy already has a name for the newly formed Landmark Conference. He's calling it the Landmine Conference. His jabs kill me. ;D
The news Wilkes may have is about the transfer they are supposedly getting from Muhlenberg.
I've been asked to rest my case in regards to Scranton.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 03, 2007, 05:21:43 AM
Jesus, CC, for the last time, there's no envy of Scranton.  It's a strong dislike of fans who think that the school is academically and morally superior to Wilkes.  We're all D-3, and your poop stinks, too.  If that makes me the Geico caveman of this board, so be it.  I'll have the roast duck with mango salsa served on our 1998 Final Four trophy.

Quote from: Warren Thompson on January 02, 2007, 09:10:08 AM
Or CJ4L will shortly announce he's been hired as the official team apothecary, thus putting paid to his life-long dislike of all things Scranton.
WT - you think they'd hire me?  I'd consider the job, but my coat will still be white.  Not purple. 

Landmine Conference.  I like that.  Proof that I don't dislike all things Scranton - I like Bess.

My fear - midseason transfers for the Colonels haven't gone too well.  Things are going alright.  Don't jerk with it.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 03, 2007, 12:48:45 PM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on January 03, 2007, 05:21:43 AM
  It's a strong dislike of fans who think that the school is academically and morally superior to Wilkes.  .


Where would those fans be? Can we get back to basketball please!!! I look forward to hearing about Scranton's news , as Wilkes getting a transfer from Muhlenber doesn't exactly set this site on fire. Looks like Desales is primed for their collapse, what are they 8-2?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 03, 2007, 11:50:11 PM
I know of no Muhlenberg transfer...or college of Charleston for that matter....lol
I was hoping for one of those spare Duke 7 footers.

CJ,

Wilkes is playing some decent ball for a young squad.
But the conference schedule is right around the corner.
And adding any kind of depth and/or size always helps.

The Wilkes 2006 edition, at least from my perspective, are more balanced than the past few years.
They now have some legit inside threats who can finish. All three of the big men can also step outside and hit the '3'.
In addition, the interior passing game has improved.

Offensively, this gives them a lot more options than relying on 3 pt shooting which was the shot of choice last year.
This team can drain them, penetrate and dish, post up or go in/out.



Now, they have to execute against some more veteran and tested teams in Scranton and Kings. 
It will be fun to watch.

CC,

Have you seen Wilkes play this year??

Don't dismiss what Bess said. I don't think Kresge or Gabriel are any surprise as both were heavily recruited.
Gula is a South Jersey product.
They are all very good players.

Hey, keep talking Scranton----IO get to a good number of Colonel and Monarch games but seldom take the I-81 hike.


Still have my contact #'s?
Give me a ring or drop me an e-mail.

Serious about the grub...I'll bring an extra 69-70 Topps Tallman Bailey Howell card for you...lol

Maybe I'll throw in a Mel Counts!!

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on January 04, 2007, 08:07:41 AM
Mel Counts? I remember him. He was so skinny, he had to run around in the shower to get wet. :)

I saw King's play a couple times but I haven't seen Wilkes or Scranton. I'm going by what I've been told of the latter two schools.
I don't doubt what you tell me about the Wilkes youngsters. It's just that Bess has a major league axe to grind with Scranton for various reasons and doesn't give them credit. He's a King's/Wilkes guy now.

Hey, one place we can't dine at is Talarico's. The pizza there was second to none but the entire block got wiped out to make room for the new CVS. It's wierd because that side of the street was the busiest in town for years and now it's all gone, including Cherry's Bookshop.
My goomba's tell me Rinaldi's is the place so I'll drop you a note.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 04, 2007, 10:17:41 AM
If Scranton doesn't stain the sheets against Pratt Institute (who???) like they did last year against Chestnut Hill, the Susquehanna-Scranton matchup on Sunday at 3 should be a great matchup. Too bad it is going against NFL playoffs.


PS. Scranton 9-2 after a 24 point victory over Hartwick.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 04, 2007, 11:19:02 PM
NEPA,

Just checked out the Hartwick box score......67% from the floor 2nd half...pretty impressive
Points off turnovers......also pretty impressive

0 fast break points................................for either team................was this a 1/2 court walkathon???  LOL

Check it out:

http://info.hartwick.edu/athl/MensHoops/game10.htm

Well, the Colonels matched that performance with a rout of Marywood in front of 400 faithful including Coach JP of Kings and some DeSales scouts.

Wilkes showed a some pressure defenses, zones and the usual dose of man to man. It was over quick as the Colonels big men dominated the boards and, as a team, shot the ball pretty well.

I know I know ...it's Marywood......hey ...they beat Wilkes last year.


Hey NEPA, what goes with DC only getting 16 minutes?
Has his time been limited due to injury, conditioning, doghouse or just stiff competition??.
I was always impressed with his overall game, hard nosed play and shooting range.


Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 04, 2007, 11:29:41 PM
Because of the way the stat software collects info on fast break points I think they get underreported. You have to hit an extra key at the end of the keycode for that possession to signify that it was a fast break (also the same for points in the paint). I don't think everyone uses those features.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 04, 2007, 11:58:05 PM
Quote from: naismith on January 04, 2007, 11:19:02 PM
0 fast break points................................for either team................was this a 1/2 court walkathon???  LOL

Naismith, you just broke the record for the longest ellipsis in recorded Western civilization.  Congratulations on such an honor.  That not withstanding, you painted a good picture of the game at the Marts Center.  Thank you.  Hopefully the win was every bit a function of solid defense and accurate shooting as it was just having bigger guys underneath.

Scranton's 9-2, Wilkes is 8-2, DeSales is 8-2... maybe the conference has a spark yet.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 05, 2007, 01:16:51 PM
Quote from: naismith on January 04, 2007, 11:19:02 PM

Hey NEPA, what goes with DC only getting 16 minutes?
Has his time been limited due to injury, conditioning, doghouse or just stiff competition??.
I was always impressed with his overall game, hard nosed play and shooting range.

Naismith


Naismith,

You are right he (Darren Cannon)  is a hard nosed player with some great range. He started the first few games but has been largely playing off the bench lately. Not sure what is going on ...might be as simple as other players are stepping up.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on January 07, 2007, 07:56:27 PM
Susquehanna knocks off the Royals today in the championship of the Raddison Tourney. It was a game of runs with the Crusaders jumping out to an 11-0 lead to start, then Scranton settled down & got with 4 or so at the half. The start of the 2nd. half went back & forth then with about 8 minutes to play the Royals caught fire & took an 8 point lead. Then as quickly as things were going in favor of the Royals...everything came to a grinding halt. Susquehanna went on a 17-1 run that came out of nowhere & the Royals were history. The final 2 minutes was nothing but a parade of free-throws...the Crusaders made theirs, the Royals were not so fortunate. Very impressed with Cuff of Susq...played hard all game as did Tom Bicknell of the Royals. Blown layups, unforced turnovers & missed free-throws are not the best ways to win against good teams. Good win for Susquehanna, bad loss for the Royals.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 08, 2007, 09:54:40 AM
Quote from: saratoga on January 07, 2007, 07:56:27 PM
Susquehanna knocks off the Royals today in the championship of the Raddison Tourney. It was a game of runs with the Crusaders jumping out to an 11-0 lead to start, then Scranton settled down & got with 4 or so at the half. The start of the 2nd. half went back & forth then with about 8 minutes to play the Royals caught fire & took an 8 point lead. Then as quickly as things were going in favor of the Royals...everything came to a grinding halt. Susquehanna went on a 17-1 run that came out of nowhere & the Royals were history. The final 2 minutes was nothing but a parade of free-throws...the Crusaders made theirs, the Royals were not so fortunate. Very impressed with Cuff of Susq...played hard all game as did Tom Bicknell of the Royals. Blown layups, unforced turnovers & missed free-throws are not the best ways to win against good teams. Good win for Susquehanna, bad loss for the Royals.


Saratoga provides a good commentary...where in you in the house for the game?

Thought they would be able to handle Susquehanna w/o their star player. Oh well, hope Danzig gets em ready for conference play.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on January 08, 2007, 10:06:24 AM
NEPA: Yes, I was. For the most part, a great weekend of hoops at the Long Center...2 womens games & 1 & 1/2 mens games. ;)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 08, 2007, 01:46:36 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 08, 2007, 10:06:24 AM
NEPA: Yes, I was. For the most part, a great weekend of hoops at the Long Center...2 womens games & 1 & 1/2 mens games. ;)


How did Pratt Institute look?  ;D   Heard there were some Freedom coaches doing some scouting....what about any royal recruits?  ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 08, 2007, 04:51:08 PM
CJ,

I missed the Russian Xmas services so I
am headed to church this evening.
Aside from parents, I might be the only person alive choosing Baptist Bible  over OSU vs Fla.

Anyway...Brother John...u  may check for a late sermon from the hardwood pulpit....sort of like a cager's version of midnight massness.



NEPA, thanks for the DC update....a friend of mine (official) tells me he is really a 1st class young man and a good student as well.

Saratoga,

Surprised we haven't heard for 5 slamma susquejamma since Sat.
The Crusaders are pretty decent I guess.....
Sounds like u saw a  nice game

Naismith

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on January 08, 2007, 05:57:09 PM
NEPA: There was at least one recruit there for the Pratt game...he & his family were with the Arnold's courtside. Pratt had 2 kids that could play on most MAC Freedom teams...not saying they'd start on the better teams, but they'd play. The bigger problem for them was their 8 man roster...lack of depth=lack of wins. On Sunday I did see Don Friday of Lyco. in the crowd, I would not be surprised to see Lyco. try the pressure D much like Susq. applied on numerous occasions. The jury is still out on the Royals...they have some really nice kids & a great group of sophmores & James Powell & Tom Bicknell hustle their butts off all game, but the concentration & execution must be there in the last 5 minutes if you plan on winning close games against good teams. So far, the 3 tough games that have been there for either team,(Catholic,Kings & Susq.) have all landed on the wrong side of the ledger in the waning minutes. PS. Happy Holidays Mr.Naismith.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: susquejamma on January 09, 2007, 01:23:37 PM
[quote author=naismith link=topic=3709.msg649324#msg649324 date=1168293068

Saratoga,

Surprised we haven't heard for 5 slamma susquejamma since Sat.
The Crusaders are pretty decent I guess.....
Sounds like u saw a  nice game
[/quote]

I couldn't make the Scranton game. I had to catch bits and pieces on Scranton's radio station (99.5), which doesn't get very good reception in the Wyoming Valley. I missed a good one, I guess.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on January 09, 2007, 08:20:11 PM
Susquejamma: It was a pretty entertaining game...some serious swings in momentum throughout the 40 minutes. It started out looking like the Crusaders would win by 30, then the Royals had their run. In the second half it went back & forth then the Royals kicked it in & went up by 8 & it lookes like Susq. was about to stand around stunned when they just regrouped, hit a few 3's., changed ol' mo once again & put the Royals on the ropes & just kept pouring it on inside & out. Meanwhile, Scranton had about 3 straight turnovers on their subsequent trips down & then another steal & feed to Patch for an uncontested dunk & an 8 pt. lead was suddenly a 9 pt. deficit & it was over. Two minutes of fouls back & forth & you end up with the final score. There is certainly no reason the Crusaders will not be in the thick of things on the Commenwealth side...and hopefully, the Royals will learn from their 3 tough losses and get a little stronger in the final minutes in order to now win these type of games...especially since 2 of their 3 losses are at the Long Center.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 10, 2007, 07:42:17 AM
Happy King's Day to one and all.  It's a holiday, people.  Enjoy it accordingly.

Firstly, good luck to "friend of the board" and King's SID Bob Ziadie, who has a full day ahead of him.  Wrestling meets at home at 12 and 3, women's basketball at 6, men's basketball at 8.  That's a 12-14 hour day, easy.

King's and Wilkes common opponents:
Ursinus: both won by 20+
Misericordia: both won by single digits
Baptist Bible: Wilkes by 16, King's wins in OT
Susquehanna: Wilkes by 1, King's loses in OT
Factoring in the gambler's "home three", I have this one as a pick 'em.

Good to see the Baptist Bible game went well, but buckle up Wilkes fans.  Next 3 games: at King's, DeSales, at Scranton.  A lot of questions get answered in the next 8 days.

Sounds like Scranton needs to take a lesson from Mamet.  "A-B-C.  A-Always.  B-Be.  C-Closing.  Always be closing.  ALWAYS be closing!" 

Jamma - thanks for the shoutout.  I still root for SWB for one reason - they're keeping the Grump.  Montage has become Sno Mountain, Turf has become grass, Red Barons have become Yankees.  If they get a new mascot, I'll get fitted for Buffalo Bisons jersey.  "The chalkboard of time has been written, erased, and written again, Ray.  One thing remains constant.  Baseball."
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on January 10, 2007, 10:30:48 AM
Col.,  Don't forget other Mamet lesson.  AIDA.  A-attention, I-interest, D-decison, A-action and most importantly, "coffee is for closers only".
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 10, 2007, 10:42:47 AM
One more Nenstiel

King's announced on Tuesday that Ryan Nenstiel, younger brother of current Monarch senior Bob Nenstiel, has joined the team.

Ryan Nenstiel is a 6-foot-5, 200-pound junior forward who unites with his brother on the court for the second time. Ryan originally played two seasons at Division II Bloomsburg, where Bob also started his collegiate career, before transferring to East Stroudsburg and — ultimately — King's.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on January 10, 2007, 03:37:03 PM
Happy Rivalry Day to you CJ4L,

I'm not going to make any predictions tonight, just a guess that both teams will reach the eighty point mark the way King's has been defending this year.

The New Nenstiel is old news, as he was on the roster and bench for the Kean game.  Suprisingly he saw no time in a game where his brother sat out and Cousart played all 40 minutes.  Maybe it was because the Rick was in attendence?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on January 10, 2007, 10:22:19 PM
Just got back from the Shelacking at Scandlon...

Immediate Thoughts:
King's didn't shoot particularly well, but Wilkes could have been outshot by the Saint Mary's Blue Biddy Basketball team tonight.
King's looked like they played with more energy then they have been, perhaps it was just fueled by the opponent.
Anthony Gabriel will likely become a player that I hate in future games, and coming from a King's guy, he should take that has a compliment

-Leo
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on January 10, 2007, 11:28:45 PM
FDU holds previously unbeaten (MAC) Desales to 38 points in the massacre in Madison...ouch! And just a few weeks ago Desales ripped Kings...the tribulations of life on the road.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on January 11, 2007, 09:44:13 AM
Wilkes 6 game winning streak came to an end last night at Kings.  Wilkes came out flat scoring just 3 points in the first 10 minutes and despite some spurts, never really recovered from the terrible start.   Wilkes ended up shooting 29% from the field and 12-22 from the free throw line.   Kresge really struggled, he couldnt throw it in the ocean, finishing with 2 FGs, and 7 points.   Gabriel had a nice game with 15 points.  Everytime I see Kings, it seems Jim Welsh is hitting big shots.  Last night was no exception.   The sharpshooter was 4 for 4 from 3 point land.  Wilkes has DeSales and then Scranton next.  We'll know more about this young Wilkes squad after those two tough opponents.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 11, 2007, 10:48:04 AM
Wow.  Didn't see that one coming.  A couple MAC-F teams are just licking their wounds this morning, and Wilkes is one of 'em.  Before the game there was discussion about what to expect when undefeated DeSales comes to town on Saturday.  Now, two teams will play having lost by a combined 55 on Wednesday night.  FDU, DeSales, Scranton, and King's are 2-1, everyone else is 1-2.

LJK - yup, those stats pretty well tell the story.  Not gonna win too many games shooting 29 percent from the field.  And for every bit that Freshmen like Gabriel and Gulla shined, you could tell there were plays were they were caught looking on D, and not moving on O.  They're young, they'll be fine.  King's had experience and a good gameplan.

Only 6 days until Scranton Day...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on January 11, 2007, 02:08:20 PM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on January 11, 2007, 10:48:04 AM
And for every bit that Freshmen like Gabriel and Gulla shined, you could tell there were plays were they were caught looking on D, and not moving on O.  They're young, they'll be fine.  King's had experience and a good gameplan.

Geez. When Wilkes loses, they're either young or got robbed. This time it's the former.
By the way, CJ, your pickem' prediction was waaaaaaaay off. A couple of my dealer pals in Vegas told me you're a bookies paradise. ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on January 11, 2007, 02:15:17 PM
CC,

Who are you rooting for this weekend - the Colts or Baltimore?

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 11, 2007, 02:59:49 PM
CC,

re Wilkes,

No one I have heard or read is making any excuses. They got thumped.  End of story.
Everyone knows the Colonels play 4 freshman and a sophomore quite a bit.
Haven't heard anyone from Coach JR on down predicting anything--- other than the hope that the team will grow, progress and be better by seasons end than they are today.
   

Meanwhile, the line at the pre-game Senunas' mixer was Kings  (-5)...they covered easily. The wings were a bit spicy for me but the buffet was OK.

Sir James predicted a blowout either way......(I have witnesses)
---the feeling was that the Wilkes youngsters would come out with no fear and mucho talent and just dominate or they would be nervous and overly cautious and Kings veteran team would wreak havoc.


Just my observations,
  JP had Wilkes well scouted and took away many of the first and second options on offense.
Kresge was overplayed and hounded. He did miss some very makeable shots including ft's but, overall, give Vince S and the Monarch D a lot of credit for shutting him down.
  Buzz Kable was rushing his shots and  Kings made it a point to run defenders at him the entire game.
  Kline was in foul trouble and never got untracked offensively.
  Matt Gould had a terrific game all around and his shooting enabled a first half surge that cut a 14 pt lead or so to 5 or 6 at one point late in the half.
  Gabriel drained some 3' s and provided the normal energy boost... he was the 2nd half catalyst that had the game at 8pts with Wilkes in possession and still 10-12 mins to play.

Overall, the Kings defense just outplayed the Colonels. 

On the flip side, Wilkes did some good and bad things on defense. Cousart did not have his 'A' game.  Made far too many turnovers ...Gould had him visibly frustrated.
Thought that Soboleski, Nenstiel squared, Scalzo did an excellent job on the boards especially in the 2nd half. When, Wilkes deployed the 1-3-1 zone, Kings garnered multiple offensive rebounds.

Jim Welch tormented Wilkes in the first stanza draining 4 for 4 from long range. 
Kofi hit a few nice shots as well.

I think you have to give Kings the credit for taking Wilkes out of their comfort zone and attacking the Colonels 'D' where vulnerable.

My player of the game is Vince S. for his tireless D and hustle with very clse second to John S.

By the way CC, don't ever challenge Colonel John Sr. at pool. ....shuffleboard...that's another matter...lol

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 11, 2007, 03:28:33 PM
Quote from: cold_case on January 11, 2007, 02:08:20 PM
By the way, CJ, your pickem' prediction was waaaaaaaay off.

I'm still trying to find evidence, looking at recent results, that pointed to predicting King's by 21.  Most recent head-to-head was Wilkes winning, going away, in the playoffs.  Common opponents, PPG, defense PPG, Jimmy the Greek's legendary "Intangibles"... nothing pointed to this.  Pointing to youth seemed to be the only explanation.  That said, what was your bookie's line for the DeSales game last night?  :P Regardless, when they do the rematch at the Marts Center, anyone who wants to give me the Colonels +21 (or +18 minus the "home three"), I'll take it.

Dr. James did predict a blowout, one way or the other.  And nailed it saying that King's took away Wilkes's best options on offense.  55 points are what Wilkes was left with.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 11, 2007, 04:26:08 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 10, 2007, 11:28:45 PM
FDU holds previously unbeaten (MAC) Desales to 38 points in the massacre in Madison...ouch! And just a few weeks ago Desales ripped Kings...the tribulations of life on the road.


Wow. I can't get over that score. Everyone better prepare for FDU.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on January 11, 2007, 05:39:09 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on January 11, 2007, 02:15:17 PM
CC,
Who are you rooting for this weekend - the Colts or Baltimore?

I'll be pulling for Baltimore's real team, the Colts. I expect the new version of Baltimore, the thug Ravens, to come out and taunt the Colts by screaming in the faces on every play.
They say the Colts are soft and have no chance against the gang from the Longest Yard.
They say Ravens defensive coordinator Rex (son of Buddy) Ryan can't stand pretty quarterhacks and hates Peyton Manning so he plans to do everything to have him messed up by game's end.
They say Ray Lewis (how this guy got away with murder is beyond me) is going to make rookie RB Joseph Addai cry and have him in a lot of pain.
That being said, I quote the legendary Johnny U before a big game with the Ram in 1968 when Deacon and Company were expressing their ambitions leading up to the game.
"If they have so much to say now, they're already beaten."
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on January 11, 2007, 05:44:31 PM
Lefty, one other thing, I guess you'll be rooting for the Steelers this weekend. Oh, wait, I forgot, they didn't get in the postseason. Sorry. ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on January 11, 2007, 06:38:19 PM
CC...Classic! Karma commeth your way!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on January 11, 2007, 06:46:12 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 11, 2007, 06:38:19 PM
CC...Classic! Karma commeth your way!

LOLOL, I knew you'd like it. However, I can't take all the credit.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on January 11, 2007, 07:08:18 PM
I wonder if the Landmark Champions will have their school banner flying from the top of this magnificent symbol each year?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on January 11, 2007, 08:25:11 PM
I think we can do a little graphics work to have the school banner waving atop the point.
Point?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 12, 2007, 10:02:59 AM
Plus Karma if I could give it......dye the monument purple while your at it!


Sat ....UOFS at Drew.....hopefully the team remembers what happened during their trip to Madison last year.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on January 13, 2007, 07:59:15 PM
The FDU power house keeps on rolling, right over Lyco. 

So four teams are tied for first, and four are tied for last.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on January 13, 2007, 09:01:19 PM
It's funny how certain King's fans only post when their team wins. Hmmmm! ::)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 14, 2007, 12:27:13 AM
CC,

Keep that Karma coming......lol

We may have global warming but your posts are glacial and your Karma colder than the polar ice caps.

I think I better buy you that dinner and get you stoked up with a few belts of your favorite whiskey.
Hey, Leo's team is clicking on all cylinders ...so let him be happy....

Anyway, a lot of folks seen shaking their heads leaving the Marts this afternoon.

Though never in control, Wilkes looked like they were playing well enough to win this one for the first thirty or so minutes. For that period, the Franklin Street trio of Kool Hand Kline, Grizzly Dan Adams and Krispy Kreme Kresge controlled the glass and played very tough inside. (Dan Adams best performance as a Colonel imho---4 steals of low post entry passes) and he even took a shot outside of 1 foot (he made it too...lol).

Crunch time belonged to DeSales. Some pivotal steals and timely shooting gave them the spurt they needed to put the game away late. Stricker plays a very solid game and Krickzy (sp.) shot lights out.
DeSales did a nice job of running him off multiple screens to free him up. Reminded me of some of the Lyco plays used to free up Pribble....(and boy do the Colonel faithful remember him!!).
Seems they have a nice freshman guard in #20 (forget his name) ...

So, the Colonels have their work cut out for them ....so it seems....heading up to Da U on Wed and still to face a seemingly formidable FDU squad.......
Wilkes needs to find some answers offensively. The defense has played well enough to win. Wilkes has created turnovers and rebounded well. The only consistent weakness has been the inability to close out and deny the ooponents top scoring threats outside. (Welch in the Kings game and Krickzey today).

The offensive focus, so far,  has been to pound the ball inside and play inside-- out. They seem to have trouble posting Kresge and getting him in rhythm early. Too many shot clocks winding down resulting in rushed or forced shots. Wilkes also doesn't run that much and, when they do via turnover etc., they have trouble finishing.  Despite the  shooting ability of the team overall, the ghosts of free throws missed still haunt the Marts. Where is Rick Barry when you need him?? 
The only consistent offensive theme has been improved inside play. Steve Kline has emerged as a force,  Dan Adams gets some nice hustle points, AG had demonstrated he can score inside as well as Tom K.

The simple truth:
Wilkes needs more offense....I might consider putting Kresge at the point on offense ala the old Celts and Larry Bird.

Enuff for now...gonna listen to the Gov beat up on the Eagles....lol

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on January 14, 2007, 10:34:09 AM
Nais,
Someone posed a question to me last night that I had to think about for the longest time.
The question was this: Would I rather have Peter Angelos sell the Orioles or take the Colts victory in BALTIMORE?
Since Angelos, who destroyed a once pround franchise, would have a positive, long term effect, I was leaning that way.
Then, I decided to take the gutless way out and didn't answer.
Anyway, I was checking over some local scores from yesterday. That's all, I was just checking scores.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on January 14, 2007, 11:23:32 AM
Well, one half of the Jersey equation is complete for the Royals...a very good game at Drew. In two weeks it will be FDU & they played the Royals tough at the Long Center before fading down the stretch...and we all know what they just did at home to Desales. However, two weeks in the MAC is like an entirely different season sometimes...just worry about the next game right now which I'm sure is the Royals approach going into Wed's. game. Remember: "If you look too far forward, there may be nothing to look forward to". Dean Smith. By the way, the womens & mens games @ Drew were the best officiated games I've seen in the Garden State...ever! Far better than most games I've seen at the Long Center or elsewhere in the MAC. I have no idea who the 6 were, but they called the obvious, let the nickle/dime stuff go, had control from start to finish & they hustled as much as the players.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on January 15, 2007, 03:00:39 PM
CC,

If you would take some notice, I believe that I had one post after the Wilkes win, one post after the DelVal win, and one post after the DeSales loss... or as i like to call it, the Beatdown at Bilera
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 16, 2007, 02:34:51 AM
The Wilkes - DeSales game was this simple.  Wilkes led 49-46 with 8:30 or so to play.  Wilkes proceeded to score 0 field goals over the next 7-8 minutes, allowing DeSales to get out to a double-digit lead.  DeSales stayed in their game offensively, making it 64-51 before Wilkes connected again from the field.  What was a winnable game, aye, results in a home loss.  1-3 in conference - due up next: at Scranton, at Drew (in NJ, never easy), and home for FDU.

Unrelated - saw a ref's call that I'd never seen before.  DeSales made a 3 pointer, and simultaneously got fouled, giving the shooter a 1 and 1.  My question - how?  If the foul occurred before the shot, the guy shoots 1 and 1 and the basket doesn't count.  If the foul occurred during the shot, the guy gets his 3 pointer, plus 1 free throw.  If the foul occurred after a made shot, the 3 pointer counts, possession changes, and it's foul without free throws, right?  If you don't have possession, you don't get a 1 and 1.  Either way, the basketball gods willed the front end of the 1 and 1 to rim out, making it all irrelevant.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 16, 2007, 02:41:20 AM
After the shot, while the ball was in the air, perhaps?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on January 16, 2007, 09:20:34 AM
To the Wilkes faithful,  remember what Al McGuire said, "the best thing about freshmen is that they become sophomores",  unless you're Greg Oden and you become a lottery pick!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 16, 2007, 09:31:01 AM
Isn't there a poster, goes by the name Bill, or Phil? Fdu fan? Love to hear his take on a 11-4 FDU squad.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 16, 2007, 09:44:29 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 16, 2007, 09:31:01 AM
Isn't there a poster, goes by the name Bill, or Phil? Fdu fan? Love to hear his take on a 11-4 FDU squad.

The poster from FDU is Bill. Phil, now residing in the Houston area, is an NJAC/TCNJ fan.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on January 16, 2007, 04:35:34 PM
Nepa

I guess the poster you're referring to is me...
As an employee of FDU, and the basketball team's (among others) strength coach, I'm certainly biased towards our guys. My take? I'm not a basketball expert (I'd like to think I'm a football expert, but that's another post :)
However, this team has been busting its rear ends since late last year. It's virtually the exact same team as last year; there were no new players added to the team other than a walk-on. Why the change so far? I'd like to think they're out-hustling people, and are stronger/better conditioned than most other teams;perhaps there's more parity this year, perhaps other teams are looking past FDU until now. Maybe it's that Coach Marion needed this much time for the team to become comfortable with a "new" system. We've had some big wins at home; tonight at Del Val will be big for us (but then what game isn't?)
If the team continues to play well and work hard, we'd like to be in the mix at the end!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 17, 2007, 06:29:13 AM
And FDU racks up another one, 71-69 at DelVal.  4-1.  No offense, Bill, but I'll say this now because I may never get the opportunity:

FDU is now in sole possession of first place.

Congrats, fellas.  Magic number is 8 to clinch a playoff spot.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 17, 2007, 09:27:24 AM
Wilkes plays at the John Long Center for possibly the last time EVER and we are talking about FDU....who wouda thunk?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on January 17, 2007, 09:32:22 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 17, 2007, 09:27:24 AM
Wilkes plays at the John Long Center for possibly the last time EVER and we are talking about FDU....who wouda thunk?

It will be the last time Wilkes comes to Scranton!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on January 17, 2007, 01:56:12 PM
No offense taken. This is a tough league; we'll take it whenever we can get it!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on January 17, 2007, 11:18:45 PM
CC: After the way Scranton totally dominated Wilkes from start to finish in every phase of the game...barring any meeting in the post-season, I bet you're right...Wilkes will be in no hurry to head back to the Long Center. They, (Wilkes) had their moments...but it seemed like their backcourt was more interested in playing street-ball as opposed to running an offense. Randy Arnold & Tom Bicknell played excellent all-around games. Bicknell was 3 rbs. shy of a 20/20...not a bad night.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on January 17, 2007, 11:43:56 PM
Toga,
I caught some of the game on the radio, at least when the guy doing the commentary would allow the play-by-play man to call the game. When I heard Scranton was up by around 30 points, I shut it off.
30 points? Ouch.
I guess the officiating had something to do with that. ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 18, 2007, 12:37:24 AM
CJ,

Better prescribe some alzheimers drug to yourself or head to a Vision Center for some Lasik surgery...

Per your 'questionable' call.....The shooter was not fouled. The foul was called off the ball and the ft's were shot by a different player. The foul occurred as they fought for rebounding position somewhere near half court...lol.  At least, that is how I remember it......

As far as the Colonels, tonight was a good a thrashing as one can expect when:

1) your opponents handle the ball better
2) your opponents are quicker
3) your opponents are more aggressive
4) your opponents are superior shooters
5) your opponents are tougher
6) your ooponents are better rebounders

Congrats all around to the Royals. RA is certainly a pleasure to watch. He is constantly in motion ala John Havlicek....has a real motor and tremendous focus. Surrounded by some talented underclassmen (Fitzpatrick, #34 Biagelo....etc....some flashy freshman guard) and the result is: The Freedom team to beat .
I have yet to see the Jersey teams, but the Royals are going to be very very tough.  They are quick, long, tall and can shoot.

Meanwhile,
The Colonels look a 'lost batallion' on offense.
Their shooting is horrific.
There is precious little movement.....
They are not executing against packed down zones as the ball rotation is not quick enough to free shooters who can't seem to find spaces. The zones are preventing some of the 'inside' post-ups that were very effective early this season.




Can't put my finger on it......really can't.....Still have faith the 'talent' level is there.....
This team needs to regain some confidence and Sat. would be a good time to start....

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 18, 2007, 04:14:29 AM
I was listening to the coverage from 99.5 WUSR online.  Good broadcast, bad result.  I turned it off at 54-29.  Apparently, it didn't get any better.

Show of hands:
Who thought that Wilkes would be 3 games out of the final playoff spot... 5 games in? 

All 4 conference losses have been in double-figures, including blowout losses on the homecourts of the two rivals.  Despite all that, a loss to Delaware Valley, DVC's only conference win, seems to be the worst loss.  Yikes.  And after playing our last game at Scranton, Wilkes gets to play our last game ever at Drew. (God willing...)

Interesting tidbit.  Scranton's men scored as many points (70) as the Wilkes men and women combined (47+23).  If you talked to Cold Case's bookie, and had the Wilkes men / women combo getting 62.5... you lost!  But hey, I'm not gonna knock the ladies.  At least they're one win away (at Drew, Saturday) from the 4th seed in the conference.

There are days it's good to be ColonelJohn.  This ain't one of 'em.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 18, 2007, 08:44:10 AM
To add to what has been said:


Wilkes Fans: Your team is young and expectations had to be low....even more so after the loss of Chris Shovlin.


Randy Arnold had a great game and probably doesn't get enough credit. Ditto for the Aussie. Royals need to keep up the intensity for every game, they are not that good that they can afford to slack off. I listened as well over the internet, and am glad the school has continued the broadcasts. They raised the question: When was the last time Scranton won by such a margin over a Wilkes team?


Kings still scares me...........and Desales beats Drew in OT?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 18, 2007, 08:58:55 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 18, 2007, 08:44:10 AM
They raised the question: When was the last time Scranton won by such a margin over a Wilkes team?

I can't remember a loss like this happening since Rickrode was hired in the summer of '92.  My only thought - in 2002, I think, Scranton came to the Marts Center and beat Wilkes pretty badly.  But again, not sure it was "23 points bad".  We may have to go back to JP's Scranton beating a perennial 2-12 Wilkes.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 18, 2007, 12:26:41 PM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on January 18, 2007, 08:58:55 AM


I can't remember a loss like this happening since Rickrode was hired in the summer of '92.  My only thought - in 2002, I think, Scranton came to the Marts Center and beat Wilkes pretty badly.  But again, not sure it was "23 points bad".  We may have to go back to JP's Scranton beating a perennial 2-12 Wilkes.

Scranton beat Wilkes by 21 in 1992-1993.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 18, 2007, 03:32:22 PM
NEPA,

You are being to kind to Colonel loyalists.

Scranton is , by far, the best team I have seen this year. Having seen a number of Monarch games (and with full apologies to Leo), I am predicting 1 final Freedom banner for the rafters at the Long Center.

Randy gets tons of credit form this corner at least.  I have been a staunch supporter of RA since I first saw him as a freshman. To me, the top PG in the conference.

And the
aussie aussie ausssie---well, he plays like a Man....very very tough.

As to Wilkes, yes, they do miss CS. Despite his 'erratacisms', he had some real talent --- such as quickness and the ability to create his own shot. He could break down almost any defender off the dribble. His passing a bit underrated as assist totals are ultimately based on the recepients ability to finish...

But that was then and this is now......
They are young and need an identity.....As I said, I just don't have a feel for what is needed....but at this point....they are just plain old getting beat.

The Drew/FDU tilts will tell us whether they can muster a 2nd half playoff run.

Naismith

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: adam on January 18, 2007, 05:16:50 PM
Personally, I think there is more than enough talent on this Wilkes team and the potential to go further without Shovlin is there.  However, the hole is dug pretty deep right now.  I think Rickrode is good enough of a coach to get this team figured out and guide the Colonels to a more successful 2nd half than 1st half.  Might be too far behind for playoffs, but Colonels could gain plenty of momentum heading into next season with many, if not all of these players coming back.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 19, 2007, 05:06:05 AM
Adam, I want to believe ya.  I really do.  In other news, hey, congrats to the Aints.  Been a great run so far - hope you get another 2 weeks out of the season.   :)

Nais - true.  Wins over FDU and Drew, and the ship can be righted.  Who knows - maybe the team finds an identity in the Drew game.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 19, 2007, 08:39:55 AM
Too much love in this room....quick somebody bring up the Royals move to the landmark!


I wonder which team will show up at the Long Center Saturday? The Desales team that whipped Kings...or the one that lost to Drew?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on January 19, 2007, 04:59:21 PM
NEPA,

DeSales didn't lose to Drew.  It was a loss if you bet on DeSales, since they didn't come close to covering the 17 1/2 point spread.

Dr. Naismith,

Haven't seen the Royals since they came to Scandlon.  I thought all along it would come down to King's and Scranton and home-court advantage will likely be a huge factor.  Although the Monarchs would be looking terrific right now if it wasn't for the egg that was laid at DeSales.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 19, 2007, 05:39:17 PM
Quote from: Leo The Lion on January 19, 2007, 04:59:21 PM
NEPA,

DeSales didn't lose to Drew.  It was a loss if you bet on DeSales, since they didn't come close to covering the 17 1/2 point spread.

Dr. Naismith,

Haven't seen the Royals since they came to Scandlon.  I thought all along it would come down to King's and Scranton and home-court advantage will likely be a huge factor.  Although the Monarchs would be looking terrific right now if it wasn't for the egg that was laid at DeSales.


Whoops. I did bet on Drew so it did feel like a loss.  What quality wins besides over Scranton, does Kings have? Not being a smart ass just curious.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on January 19, 2007, 06:41:43 PM
NEPA: Besides the win over the Royals, Kings only lost by 1 @ Susquehanna whereas the Crusaders handled the Royals with ease down the stretch. They also have a big win over Widener which some people on the Commonwealth side feel may win it over there and they just won at Lyco...which is generally no easy task. On the other side is an OT win over Baptist Bible which just got blasted by Bard...that's as in 3 wins on the season Bard. What does it mean at this point??? Not much...each game can be an adventure...it all comes down to which team will have the fewest off nights & develop the greatest consistency. The last two games for the Royals will have huge consequences...at Lyco & at Desales. They better take care of business at home because road games at those places plus FDU & Wilkes can turn ugly in a heartbeat. How the final Freedom act plays out for the Royals still has a L o n g way to go.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on January 19, 2007, 11:10:40 PM
NEPA,

I'm just saying King's and Scranton are pretty even in my opinion.  King's got beat up with a tough out of conference schedule.  With two close losses to Albright and Susquehanna, a close loss at York and a solid effort at Lafayette.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 20, 2007, 03:17:26 AM
Quote from: saratoga on January 19, 2007, 06:41:43 PM
On the other side is an OT win over Baptist Bible which just got blasted by Bard...that's as in 3 wins on the season Bard.

Isn't that the same Bard that gave Cal Tech their first D-III win since like 1996??
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on January 20, 2007, 09:22:02 AM
CJ: The very same Bard. However, I was wrong with that particular game. Actually, Baptist Bible did win that one so Bard's W column remains at 3.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on January 20, 2007, 10:37:19 AM
Leo,  Kings might have been beaten up by early tough out of conference schedule as you say, but I think it made them a much better , hard nosed ballclub.   They play very physical underneath and their style was well served by playing the tough competion early, and as a result,  got them ready for conference play.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on January 20, 2007, 08:15:08 PM
At this point , I'll just mention two things...The Univ. of Scranton plays total & absolute TEAM basketball & Tom Bicknell is playing like a man among boys. Hands down MAC First Team. Put the shrimp on the barby!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 20, 2007, 11:15:29 PM
 ???

>:(

:'(

Drew?  1-5 in conference?  I give.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 21, 2007, 12:31:43 AM
CJ,

Did not attend and didn't listen (if there was a broadcast).

It's been the same every game....Colonels cannot score the ball.

50 points per/game just is not going to get in done......
Maybe we should open up with a four corners.......and stall.....lol.

The 9-2 start is quickly turning into a nightmare. You add the horrible 2nd half conference performance from last year and, not counting the 1-1 playoff record) I think the Freedom record is really pretty pathetic.

In fairness, I think the defensive effort is reasonable. Sure, they misplay some switches, get beat off the dribble at times etc etc....but I think they are trying....
On offense, as I previously posted....I haven't a clue. It might just be the talent level offensively just isn't there.
I think at this juncture that Anthony G. should probably start somewhere as he can score inside and out. Maybe John Kelly deserves a shot as he seems to have more offensive ability (he may be able to penetrate, he can jump and has a decent shot) .

Can't really tell what is on the bench...Fasciana can shoot the ball....maybe some minutes for him

Hey, I am grasping at straws...I'm sure Coach JR has considered all options.....we shall see.


As to Kings and Scranton....
A nice 2nd half surge for the Monarchs.
My feeling (and I have no allegiance nor ax to grind) is that Scranton is the top dog.
As a team, they are a step quicker.....they are longer....have the better pg......shoot better as a team and can hold their own inside
They have loads of talented underclassman and the Royals look well set for the next few years....

OH! That's right. They are moving the school south next winter.

Naismith


Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 21, 2007, 02:45:36 AM
Quote from: naismith on January 21, 2007, 12:31:43 AM
CJ,

50 points per/game just is not going to get in done......
Maybe we should open up with a four corners.......and stall.....lol.

Dr. James,

Love the creative thought process.  My only thought about the Colonel offense - the boys can hit 3 pointers pretty well.  Hit 3's at a 35% clip (93 / 265), while hitting 47% of 2's.  Doesn't take a math genius to notice that 47% of 2 (less than 1) is less than 35% of 3 (more than 1).  Also, an offense with a lot of post play leads to a lot of free throws, which, aye, isn't a strong suit either.  My solution:  Run Grinnell's SYSTEM!  (Or some modified version)  All 3's, all the time.

But when the team shoots 11% beyond the arc against FDU on Wednesday, don't blame me.  ::)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on January 21, 2007, 08:52:01 AM
Mr. Naismith,
You'd be surprised to hear of another school that may be joining the Landmark down the road.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 21, 2007, 09:08:24 AM
Quote from: cold_case on January 21, 2007, 08:52:01 AM
Mr. Naismith,
You'd be surprised to hear of another school that may be joining the Landmark down the road.


For Pete's sake! Don't keep us in suspense. If you've got the facts, share 'em.

Or are you just talking to be talking?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on January 21, 2007, 09:31:12 AM
I didn't know LV moved to the Freedom League.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 21, 2007, 09:36:47 AM
Quote from: cold_case on January 21, 2007, 09:31:12 AM
I didn't know LV moved to the Freedom League.

???
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on January 21, 2007, 09:38:29 AM
You lurk on the Freedom board quite a bit so I'm starting to wonder if LV is a member.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 21, 2007, 09:50:13 AM
Quote from: cold_case on January 21, 2007, 09:31:12 AM
I didn't know LV moved to the Freedom League.

Warren's a Hall of Famer.  Easy, CC.  He's encouraged to patrol our board.  When you organize a Pizza Summit (a feat not unachievable), then you can talk.

That said, I was wondering myself - the Freedom stands to lose 3 teams (F'n Scranton, Lycoming, and Drew), but only stands to pick up 2 teams (Arcadia and Manhattanville).  Wasn't there some thing a while ago about conferences with 8 teams getting automatic bids - moreover, do we have to pick up another school, stat, in order to maintain our automatic bid to the NCAA's?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on January 21, 2007, 09:54:26 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on January 21, 2007, 09:50:13 AM
That said, I was wondering myself - the Freedom stands to lose 3 teams (F'n Scranton, Lycoming, and Drew), but only stands to pick up 2 teams (Arcadia and Manhattanville).  Wasn't there some thing a while ago about conferences with 8 teams getting automatic bids - moreover, do we have to pick up another school, stat, in order to maintain our automatic bid to the NCAA's?

CJ, I wouldn't be shocked to see the two local M&M schools in the Freedom next season.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 21, 2007, 11:39:53 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on January 21, 2007, 09:50:13 AM
Quote from: cold_case on January 21, 2007, 09:31:12 AM
I didn't know LV moved to the Freedom League.

Warren's a Hall of Famer.  Easy, CC.  He's encouraged to patrol our board. 

Colonel:

Let's not make too much of this HoF thing. The last time I mentioned it to my bride of 40-plus years, she said, "Well, if the Hall of Famer isn't too busy, maybe he could lower himself to take out the garbage and change the kitty litter."   :o
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bziadie on January 21, 2007, 02:20:05 PM
C.J.

Currently it is seven teams for a conference to receive an automatic bid, so the Freedom will have seven next year, unless some other unforseen stuff happens.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 21, 2007, 02:59:09 PM
Quote from: bziadie on January 21, 2007, 02:20:05 PM
C.J.

...  the Freedom will have seven next year, unless some other unforseen stuff happens.

Given the current status of the MAC, for all we know F&M, Dickinson, and Gettysburg may beg forgiveness for their past sins in forming the Centennial and reapply for membership ....  ::)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on January 21, 2007, 03:18:57 PM
Scranton wins, King's has a great comeback, both 5-1.  Mark your calendars for the big battle at the Long Center on Jan. 31. 

CC,
You can't come here talking about the Landmark Conference without naming names.  What's the scoop?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 21, 2007, 10:55:05 PM
Cc,

Yeah,  I heard that Wilkes may be headed that way.
Had not heard the Miseri and Marywood Freedom rumor.

For me, the more local games the better....
To me, the $4.00 ($5.00 at Scranton) is a great bargain for hoop junkies


The Scranton Doctors vs the Wilkes Lawyers in the Landmark...hmmmm.

I guess Kings wanted no part of either (heard they turned down joint participation in the Scranton Med Sch. and the Wilkes Law Sch.)... so they remain a mere College versus a pair of colossal Universites...

CJ,

The majority of those shooting stats were from pre-conference games. At that time Kable was shooting extremely well, Kresge was connecting long range and Matt G added a few.
Not lately though.
Going into the Drew game Tom K was 4-22 from the floor and Kable not much better. (Freedom games only)
As both were considered to be primary options on offense and opposition defenses are keying on them, it is incumbent that some other player pick up the slack. With the exception of MG, it has not happened with any consistency.


My guess is that Wilkes Freedom  shooting is less than 20% for 3's, less than 35% for 2's and less than 60% free throws.
Haven't seen a stat sheet but that is my guess.

Naismith

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on January 22, 2007, 08:32:35 AM
Naismith,

WILKES??????
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 22, 2007, 08:40:19 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on January 21, 2007, 11:39:53 AM
Colonel:

Let's not make too much of this HoF thing. The last time I mentioned it to my bride of 40-plus years, she said, "Well, if the Hall of Famer isn't too busy, maybe he could lower himself to take out the garbage and change the kitty litter."   :o

Next time, she pulls that crap, tell her that your mustard blazer needs to be taken to the dry cleaners.  And while she's at it, have her polish your bronze bust.

And Cold-Case, a big congratulations on your Colts.  How great was it, down the stretch, to see Belichick mismanage time-outs, the Pats go 3 and out, commit a roughing the passer, and then Brady throws the conference-losing interception... now who's the best to never win a big one?  Dungy and Peyton are absolved.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 22, 2007, 08:51:19 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on January 22, 2007, 08:40:19 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on January 21, 2007, 11:39:53 AM
Colonel:

Let's not make too much of this HoF thing. The last time I mentioned it to my bride of 40-plus years, she said, "Well, if the Hall of Famer isn't too busy, maybe he could lower himself to take out the garbage and change the kitty litter."   :o

Next time, she pulls that crap, tell her that your mustard blazer needs to be taken to the dry cleaners.  And while she's at it, have her polish your bronze bust.


Never. Were I to assay what you suggest, my next post would be from the local critical care unit ....  :P
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 22, 2007, 09:19:55 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on January 22, 2007, 08:51:19 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on January 22, 2007, 08:40:19 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on January 21, 2007, 11:39:53 AM
Colonel:

Let's not make too much of this HoF thing. The last time I mentioned it to my bride of 40-plus years, she said, "Well, if the Hall of Famer isn't too busy, maybe he could lower himself to take out the garbage and change the kitty litter."   :o

Next time, she pulls that crap, tell her that your mustard blazer needs to be taken to the dry cleaners.  And while she's at it, have her polish your bronze bust.


Never. Were I to assay what you suggest, my next post would be from the local critical care unit ....  :P


CJ has some things to learn Warren. For his sake I hope Wilkes doesnt jump to the Landmark. Ha.

at 14-3 how bout some top 25 votes for Scranton? I'll take one..
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on January 22, 2007, 11:15:49 AM
Here's my take on the 1-5 Colonels.  At the beginning of the season, I posted up here asking who is going to score the ball for Wilkes and it doesnt appear that the question has been answered on a consistent basis.  The early win total against a relatively soft schedule got the Wilkes fans, myself included, overly excited and gave false hope for the upcoming season.  I heard favorable comments about team play and how great it was to have a formidable inside game.  However, as conference play began, the team confidence started to erode, as the team looked a bit tentative, hesitent to pull the trigger, and short arming some open looks.  Last year Shovlin was the go to guy at crunch time.  The results were mixed but at least the talented guard was willing to let it fly and try to make things happen.  This years edition does not have that guy to step up and knock one down when needed.   So is it youth, inexperience, talent level, conditioning, coaching.  What's the problem?  I think its a combination of all of those.  Against King's, the Monarchs seemed to know every play the Colonels ran, clogging the passing lanes, and face guarding most of the outside shots.  The well coached DeSales team had a revolving door substitution scheme in the first half, utilizing the whole bench,  to get to the second half, (a la John Thompson Gtown teams), paring down to a rotation of about 8 guys and the 5 starters with rest and fresh legs.  They continually ran their stuff and came away with a big win at the Colonels house.  In addition, is it just me or does Wilkes seem to have an odd combination of players on the floor during almost every game, especially down the stretch.  When was the last time Wilkes failed to make the playoffs?  Finally, i agree with Naismith, on Scranton being the top dog of the conference. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: susquejamma on January 22, 2007, 08:15:43 PM
Quote from: naismith on January 21, 2007, 10:55:05 PM
Cc,

Yeah,  I heard that Wilkes may be headed that way.


That would be a shame.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 23, 2007, 09:05:02 AM
Oh well Scranton gets no votes in the Top 25, instead powerhouses Rochester and Trinity (Conn) recieve votes.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 23, 2007, 09:41:24 AM
Quote from: bziadie on January 21, 2007, 02:20:05 PM
C.J.

Currently it is seven teams for a conference to receive an automatic bid, so the Freedom will have seven next year, unless some other unforseen stuff happens.

Bob,

Thanks.  Once again.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 23, 2007, 11:32:10 AM
Quote from: susquejamma on January 22, 2007, 08:15:43 PM
Quote from: naismith on January 21, 2007, 10:55:05 PM
Cc,

Yeah,  I heard that Wilkes may be headed that way.


That would be a shame.


The Wilkes faithful must be too upset with their current record to respond to that jab.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2007, 12:38:53 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 23, 2007, 09:05:02 AM
Oh well Scranton gets no votes in the Top 25, instead powerhouses Rochester and Trinity (Conn) recieve votes.

I don't see where Scranton has beaten anyone who has gotten votes, and I note they lost at home to someone who just lost their one Top 25 vote.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 23, 2007, 03:56:15 PM
Boys,

Just kidding about Wilkes and Landmark....

I have no source on that.....just trying to fire up ol CC.
Sorry to extinguish the rumor.

The stuff about the med sch, law sch and Kings rings true.

LJK, yes, you were the one who asked who would score the ball.
I would have answered Tom K and Jeremy "Buzz" Kable.  For a while, that seemed to be the case.
As adjustments have been made, no one has stepped up on a consistent basis to pick up the slack.

Here's a little comparison for CJ :  Scranton is about 5th in the nation in scoring defense (pts. allowed) at 59 per/game. 
(And yes yes yes a top 25 vote from Naismith!!!).

I don't know the average pts scored per/game in D3 hoops, but take a gander at the Colonels output over the 6 conference games : 53.8. Over the last four: 52.2.

Get the picture.....top defensive teams still allow 60 or more. Wilkes can only muster up low 50's.
So, does that mean Wilkes offense is offensive...or Wilkes offense is a top 5 defense..or the Wilkes offense is defensive player of the year...or no one can come to the defense of the Wilkes offense...or....in celebration of Academy Award nominations............sing to the tune of:

                                'Show Business": (1954)

There's no offense
Like our offense
Which is No Offense
You Know

                                       
If you tell me it's so

Traveling through the Freedom is so thrilling
Sitting in the bleachers on opening nights
Smiling as you watch the benches filling
And see your Colonels putting up a fight

No one's making a free throw
No entry passes when they post up low
Even with  3 pointers going amiss
I prefer Colonel misery to Royal bliss
Wouldn't trade it for Monarch red and gold
Let's go on with the show
Let's go on with the show!
The show!
The show!

Disclosure:  Please do not take offense or become defensive regarding this post

Naismith
         
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 23, 2007, 04:52:09 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2007, 12:38:53 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 23, 2007, 09:05:02 AM
Oh well Scranton gets no votes in the Top 25, instead powerhouses Rochester and Trinity (Conn) recieve votes.

I don't see where Scranton has beaten anyone who has gotten votes, and I note they lost at home to someone who just lost their one Top 25 vote.


I'm not asking for first place, just a few votes. 2 of Scranton's three losses were in late november/early december. I would be happy with one vote.



Naismith...plus Karma if I could give it!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 23, 2007, 05:10:26 PM
Quote from: naismith on January 23, 2007, 03:56:15 PM
                                'Show Business": (1954)

There's no offense
Like our offense
Which is No Offense
You Know

Naismith

That's the first I've genuinely laughed out loud at a D3hoops post in weeks.  Thank you, Dr. James.  I have, accordingly, awarded you a Karma point.

I didn't realize the numbers were that bleak.  52.2 PPG over the last 4?  Aye.  52 doesn't win a high school game anymore... girls or guys.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on January 24, 2007, 09:55:30 AM
And the Tony for original score (too bad Wilkes couldn't), goes to Naismith!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on January 24, 2007, 12:33:47 PM
Naismith, I think you might be right about giving Gabriel and Kelly a starting nod for Wilkes, or at least more minutes.  Kable seems to be a one dimensional player (3 point shooter, and a streaky one at that).   In addition, give the bench some more PT, to see what kind of players you have for down the road.  However, I think the number one priority should be to get Tom Kresge off the snide.  Run some sets early to try and get him some good looks and get his confidence and game back.  He was a "highly recruited" player with a lot of talent, and he is the future of this team, and they need him to be the man.   At any rate, you know things aren't going good when Naismiths writing showtunes, (not that here is anything wrong with that).  Funny stuff, can't wait for the follow up!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 24, 2007, 01:02:41 PM
Quote from: ljk on January 24, 2007, 12:33:47 PM
Naismith, I think you might be right about giving Gabriel and Kelly a starting nod for Wilkes, or at least more minutes.  Kable seems to be a one dimensional player (3 point shooter, and a streaky one at that).   In addition, give the bench some more PT, to see what kind of players you have for down the road.  However, I think the number one priority should be to get Tom Kresge off the snide.  Run some sets early to try and get him some good looks and get his confidence and game back.  He was a "highly recruited" player with a lot of talent, and he is the future of this team, and they need him to be the man.   At any rate, you know things aren't going good when Naismiths writing showtunes, (not that here is anything wrong with that).  Funny stuff, can't wait for the follow up!


I have no idea how highly recruited this kid Kresge was , but again why don't you guys give him some time, he is only a freshman.


Tom Bicknell 40 Pts 30 Boards in his last two games.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: adam on January 25, 2007, 06:38:00 AM
Tough times.  Never thought I'd see the Colonels finish a half 1-6 in the Freedom.  But then again, never thought I'd see my Saints in the NFC title game.  Guess you could call me Even Steven.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 25, 2007, 04:55:00 PM
Funny item...

DREW beat KINGS   DREW beats KINGS....
So blared the headlines on D3 Hoops last evening when I checked the scoreboard...........I say WOW and go to bed.

Grab the morning paper and shake off the snow and..... Kings WINS!!!

Hey, It's the D3 version of DEWEY BEATS TRUMAN (1948 for you youngsters)...



For CJ,
Only caught the 2nd 1/2 last night.  Gabriel was inserted as a starter and Kable came off the bench. Wilkes went to a 1-3-1 defense with Gould and Gulla (pt. guards) playing down low and Gabe at the top.

Both pg's had 3 fouls by halftime................hmmmm.

On FDU: FDU is a small team except for Rimol. Emslie is a nice shooter and Dillon is an active point guard.  Overall, I was only modestly impressed. (that's being honest). They run their plays and play well together. Talent wise, I think Scranton and Kings are better.

Re the Colonels:
Wilkes played with a lot of energy and enthusiasm. Gabriel is fun to watch and he can play. Wilkes closed the 9 point gap and tied it a 42 and were down 45-44.
FDU, then made some shots along with a few steals etc. and Wilkes just plain missed their shots.
You look up and FDU has an 8 point lead.
FDU sealed the deal nailing all but one of their FT attempts in the last 3-4 minutes.
(something like 11 in a row) .

Matt Gould hit 3 trifectas in the last minute which enabled Wilkes to break the 60 point mark.

Overall, Kresge and Gabe looked good. Kable and Kelly had limited minutes. Gulla played a 'quiet' game offensively as did Kline, Adams etc. DeFeo played hard in a limited appearance and looked good.

Wilkes just plain does not have playmakers or players looking to make plays on offense. The inside-out offense has turned into a Martha Stewart offense---inside-inside and more inside ........I demand an SEC investigation!!! 

Not sure what is on the agenda for DeSales. Based on the lineup and defensive changes, it is apparent that Coach JR is aware of team deficiencies and is groping for answers.

Maybe Fed-Ex can deliver an answer.......

Naismith

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on January 25, 2007, 06:43:33 PM
Question for anybody.

What exactly does "score the ball" mean?
Is this new lingo?
Score the ball. Give me a break.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 25, 2007, 09:50:30 PM
CC,

Figures.....

Aren't you the guy who missed every layup during pre-game drills?
Or are you the guy that holds the Old Forge record for lifetime FG % at 0?

Heard your nickname was "Air" something or other.....(and not Jordan) .......

Scoring and Bawling again ...heh....CC

Oh well,

there goes my karma point....lol

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on January 26, 2007, 08:09:15 AM
I struck a nerve.
Mission accomplished!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 26, 2007, 09:13:46 AM
Quote from: cold_case on January 26, 2007, 08:09:15 AM
I struck a nerve.
Mission accomplished!


Something going on behind the scenes here?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on January 26, 2007, 12:19:07 PM
Wilkes coaching staff used a little John Chaney strategy, utilizing a 1-3-1 zone defense against FDU, with a 6'5" chaser at the top and their point guard in the back.  FDU countered spilting the top man with 2 quick guards who used ball movement and reversal, and their quicks to get wide open 3 point looks.  Emslie was impressive, showing range and a nice shooting touch.  He nailed (5) 3's and finished with 23 points.  The other guards, Dillon and McPherson, combined for (3) 3's and 22 points .  FDU is a bit undersized but are quick.  They are a senior laden team who kept their composure during Wilkes 2nd half run.  I thought Wilkes could have pounded the ball inside more, taking advantage of some of the mismatches.  However, when they did enter the ball to the post, the players did not go strong to the hoop (only 11 free throw attemps), and had trouble finishing.  Kresge looked a lot better and Gabriel starting is a good move.  He's very active with a lot of energy.  Circle your calendar for Feb. 3 for revenge game against Del Val.  Colonels need a W!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 26, 2007, 11:50:47 PM
Good analysis ljk....

NEPA,

CC's a perennial all D3 Instigator .
Based on his karma, he may be the all time leading Instigator.....

In fact, I herby nominate Cold Case to the HOF of D3 Instigators!!

Before, however, once can be admitted, he must undergo a number of tests:

1) IQ test------------------------------------------------any IQ's above plant life are automatically disqualified
2) Drug Test---------------------------------------------some form of stimulant  or depressant is mandatory
3) DWP Test  (drinking while posting)--------------another mandatory standard


Once CC can verify he meets all standards, (should be no problem) we will hold induction ceremonies at Arcaro and Genell's in Old Forge...(the Washington Monument is occupied)
Colonel John has graciously offered to pick up the tab.
Coach Bess will give the into.
Can't wait to hear CC give his ever humble acceptance speech.

Naismith



Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 27, 2007, 01:00:23 AM
Quote from: naismith on January 26, 2007, 11:50:47 PM
Good analysis ljk....

NEPA,

CC's a perennial all D3 Instigator .
Based on his karma, he may be the all time leading Instigator.....

Step outside your own board and see the rest of Division III. Not even close.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on January 27, 2007, 10:10:27 AM
Yeah, what Pat said.

Nais, do you really want to make this personal?
Anyway, I expect Wilkes to "score the ball' enough today to post a victory over DV.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 27, 2007, 11:15:18 AM
CC,

Maybe we should go to Weehawken for a duel???

DV is not on tap today.....
DeSales is the opponent......bout that IQ thing....lol

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach K on January 27, 2007, 10:11:42 PM
Thoughts from the Desales vs. Wilkes game.

Desales has the look of putting things together, Wilkes looked like a team struggling for an identity. Kresge couldn't throw it in the ocean, which is rare, because he really was a special player in HS. No inside presence to match up with Stricker. Desales just too overpowering at the guard spots. Great ball movement and decision making. Wilkes was one shot and done as well offensively, and when that wasn't happening, they were a turnover machine. Disappointing to the faithful Wilkes fans who travelled down to see the game.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on January 28, 2007, 11:52:56 PM
Coach K,

What's really upsetting is being upset by DelVal in the prelude to the Scranton game.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 29, 2007, 12:24:22 AM
Leo,

Welcome to the topsy turvy Freedom League 2007.

FDU, Drew and Del Val posting some wins with perennial playoff contender Wilkes cellar dwelling and Lyco struggling..

This week should settle a few things or the plot thickens.
U have DeSales after Scranton this week.
Win them both and u occupy the catbird seat.

Lose them both and u will be looking over your shoulder.

At the moment, it looks like Scranton, Kings, DeSales and FDU are the playoff chosen.
Lyco appears to be the only team in position to make a run for the 4th spot.
They have 5 conference losses. 8-6 might make it.

Lyco has Wilkes and Drew this week. Those are very 'winnable' games. That could put the Warriors at 5-5 setting up
a key confrontation with Kings.

Leo, as to Scranton,  I think with Kings 'size' they can match Bicknell and crew on the boards. I do believe, however, that Scranton may be a step quicker especially at guard.  I also think that the Royal marksmen are superior. It shoud be a very physical and interesting matchup. If the zebras call it tight and Scranton's big men get in foul trouble, Kings has a very good chance of sweeping the series. If they 'let them play', I think Scranton's overall team speed will prevail.
My line Royals -6.

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on January 29, 2007, 08:52:52 AM
Nais,
Royals -6?
Do you think Scranton will score the ball three more times (two via 3's) than King's?
In regards to "the test," A&G's is out. Not enough room to hold the large throng that would attend.
Rinaldi's is a good spot. I'll also get that dinner.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 29, 2007, 09:38:55 AM
Huge game Weds night. Was anyone at the Scranton-Kings game earlier in the year? Care to provide some insight? I believe that game was called pretty tight, Kings went to the line 20+ times?   


A little upset that Kings lost to Del Val, JP will have em workign extra hard for the game at the Long Center.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 30, 2007, 09:16:44 AM
http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&sub=III&mid=6


Scranton Ranked #40, Desales #81, Kings #97, and for nostalgia, Wilkes......#167. Don't know the implications of these ratings....are they like the RPI?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2007, 12:59:59 PM
Kind of. But you're citing Massey's "BCS" style rankings. Their "RPI" style rankings are here:

http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&sub=III&mid=1
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 31, 2007, 06:53:15 AM
In the ratings Pat gave us, Scranton's 32nd, King's (PA) is 90th, DeSales is 99th, "FDU Madison" is 125th... and for nostalgia, as NEPAFan put it, Wilkes is 257th.

Note: 256th belongs to 3-15 Concordia-Moorhead
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on January 31, 2007, 09:58:11 AM
Wilkes,  how about a win for nostalgic sake?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on January 31, 2007, 05:16:31 PM
I agree with Mr.Naismith's assesment of tonights Scranton/Kings game. The only teams that have given the Royals a tough time thus far are teams with a pretty good inside presence...Kings has just that. Although Tom Bicknell has been playing terrific, when you rotate 2 to 3 bigs on him you essentially have 10 to 15 fouls to work him over to his 5. Chances are Kings will try to pound it down early so Scranton's perimiter D has to disrupt the passing lanes & not allow easy looks inside & then be ready to contest the kick outs to their shooters. The Royals really need help from their bench to spell Tom & give them valuable minutes while he's on the bench. Should be a great one, hope the zebra's are as prepaired as the kids will be.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 31, 2007, 05:59:49 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 31, 2007, 05:16:31 PM
I agree with Mr.Naismith's assesment of tonights Scranton/Kings game. The only teams that have given the Royals a tough time thus far are teams with a pretty good inside presence...Kings has just that. Although Tom Bicknell has been playing terrific, when you rotate 2 to 3 bigs on him you essentially have 10 to 15 fouls to work him over to his 5. Chances are Kings will try to pound it down early so Scranton's perimiter D has to disrupt the passing lanes & not allow easy looks inside & then be ready to contest the kick outs to their shooters. The Royals really need help from their bench to spell Tom & give them valuable minutes while he's on the bench. Should be a great one, hope the zebra's are as prepaired as the kids will be.

Agreed. Problem is the Royals don't have a backup Center. Should be a good one..
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 31, 2007, 11:03:43 PM
Well,

I have a lot to say tonight so I may break this post up a bit.

First,  CJ.......you mean Wilkes is below Susquehanna whom we beat.???

Some poll!!

Invited CJ Sr. for a hike up I-81 and a Royal/ Monarch doubleheader but he spurned my offer:

He drives and I buy the tix, dogs, grapes, melons and chips.....

He missed two exciting games.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 31, 2007, 11:09:07 PM
CC,

Was looking for you at the Long Center.

I figure you must have lost my phone and/or e-mail.

If you still have them let me know and if not I will get them to you.
The boys of the Fourth Estate said that they hadn't seen you this year.

Hope all is well on the employment front (mean that sincerely)......

get in touch...

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on January 31, 2007, 11:30:46 PM
Scranton vs. Kings...if the Royals only played half as bad as they did in the first half...they win by 6. Instead, a horrible job protecting the perimiter & give them credit, the Kings kids nailed their shots(approx.65%) in the 1st. half. The Royals seemed so concerned to provide help for Tom down low that just about everyone was a step too late getting to their coverage on the kick-outs & it hurt. That said, even though the Kings lead would hit at least 15 midway through the 2nd. half, the Royals had their run & actually took the lead on a picture-perfect ally-oop which culminated in a slam & a foul. Right there the momentum had a chance to go further in the Royals favor but, two missed free-throws & another 3 by Kings & it slipped away. Some missed free-throws at the end by Kings gave the Royals one more chance & their last 3 by Randy Arnold fell short...although it really looked like he was hit on the release...no foul called. However, the Royals certainly did not lose the game on that no call, they lost it in the 1st. half when they could not stop Kings defensivly & they struggled to find a rhythem offensivly. Down the stretch when the Royals were pressing, the shooters from Kings would just go to their spots & off the drive to the basket they'd get the kick out & score. The Royals have no time to feel sorry for themselves as FDU is lying in wait with the best team they've had since Roger Kindall challenged Bess for the title in 1988. Great game to watch...after the horror of the first 20 minutes is erased...the order of the top 4 teams is far from determined, still many land-mines out there.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 31, 2007, 11:33:47 PM
Leo the Lion.

Congrats on the very emotional and hard fought win tonite . Hope u were there.

Kings executed well from the get go and opened up a 12-0 lead as Scranton morphed into Wilkes.
Scranton missed some makeable shots early but looked dysfunctional. Their passing was not crisp.  They left shooters open on defense (don't they know that Welch cannot be left alone???) etc etc. It was Royal Uglyball.

The difference maker early was Sobocinski. The Kings Senior was hitting on all cylinders and making plays.

Overall,  Kings dominated the 1st half and led by a deserved dozen at halftime.

Somewhere in the 1st half, however, a one sensed a bit of resurgence coming from the Royals.  At one point, they had the lead down to 6. Bicknell was asserting himself on the glass and Scranton seemed to be getting decent looks.

The first 3 minutes of the 2nd half was pretty much the 1st half script. Not sure of the largest lead but it may have been 14-18.  Then, Scranton got hot. There defense clamped down a bit and the transition game yielded some easier shots highlighted by a spectacular backdoor allyoop slam by Biagioli. Fouled on the play, he converted the free throw and the 'game was on'.
Scranton took a slight lead and had opportunities to extend but they seemed to rush their shots and the game went back and forth for the last 6 minutes or so.
Kofi made a big 3 off a perimeter pick and roll from Cousart. Cousart scored 2 almost unmolested layups. Soboleski rebounded a missed free throw ......and Kings regained a 5-6 point edge. Kings allowed Scranton a last gasp by missing a bunch of free throws. When Hawk hit a 3 with less than a minute it was a 3 pt. lead.
For some inexplicable reason, an unidentfied Kings player shot the ball with 7 seconds to go and a 3 pt. lead. (I am sure that guy is not on the deans list...lol). Scranton's Hawk snared the board but was mauled and separated from the ball with no call ......Arnold came up with the ball and heaved a desperation 3 to no avail.

Terrific game.
With no ax to grind, the officials stunk the joint up (and I do not say that often). They absolutely missed some hack jobs on both sides while calling a number of 'touch' fouls. Their was no consistency at all. Scalzo got calls and free throws with his usual assortment of post moves but Scranton couldn't get a call inside unless is was near decapitation.

The no call at the end was ridiculous (happened right in front of me).
The 'old' guy has got to go.....

Enough on that.

Kings now in the driver seat ...I think.....but the Del Val  loss has got to make one wonder????

But for now, Leo, you reign supreme.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 31, 2007, 11:42:57 PM
Lycoming 78
Wilkes 52

Kill me.  Kill me now.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on January 31, 2007, 11:58:21 PM
 I don't think Coach Rickroad has ever had to deal with such a prolonged agony since he arrived. It happens. I'm sure even though he'd love to play spoiler...he'd take a win anywhere anyhow right now.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 01, 2007, 12:07:40 AM
Saratoga,

See your assessment of the game is quite similiar to mine.

For you Royal enthusiasts, here is my REAL OPINION -----

Coach Danzig had a horrible game plan going in, found the formula and then absolutley choked down the stretch.

I elaborate:

First, anyone who has seen Kings play the past 3 years with this crew must have an idea of their strengths and weaknesses.
I presume COY candidate Danzing understands that Kings has size and decent perimeter shooting.
The outstanding shooter is Jim Welch. Cousart, Kofi, Nensteil and Scalzo can also shoot.
COY candidate Danzig must also be aware that Kings is not that quick or fleet of foot. They thrive in the half court offense and play an inside out game most of the time.

So, what does COY candidate Danzig do?

He plays a half court game doubling down low and leaving the wing shooters wide open. Kofi for 3, Welch for 3...Welch again....ditto ditto ditto.

Now the 2nd half heats up.  Arnold, Powell and crew are attacking the ball. They are pressing and playing pressure defense. They are rushing up the floor and the shots are now open and falling....Hawk for 3....ditto ditto. Fitzpatrick hits one....Bicknell on a putback......Biagioli dunks...the long Center is rocking......

In ten minutes, Scranton erases a 15 point deficit and takes the lead......And they have the ball .....Arnold races up the court and is greeted by COY candidate Danzig saying ........SLOW IT DOWN .

So they do.....the offense becomes stagnant and  dysfunctional again and Kings regains control in the half court game.

One other thing,
In the last 5-7 minutes:

Bicknell (top big man in conference) doesn't get down on a missed shot allowing Sobo an unmolested layup. Then, he missed short jumper and gets a 'frustration' reach in call on a rebound at which he had no chance. Then he lets Cousart go to the basket unmolested on a pick by Sobo. All three plays spelled fatigue.....you could see it on his face.....

How about a timeout COY candidate Danzig???

Kings was defeated by Wilkes in the conference playoffs last year. Wilkes pressured the ball the entire game. Cousart and Co. do not like pressure. They do not handle it well and become careless and turnover prone. It is hard for me to beleive that COY candidate Danzig did not grasp this simple concept. Wtih a much more agile and quicker squad anchored by an all conference pg and center, how could you not take the game to Kings???


In summation, this was a game that Scranton lost because they were ill prepared and had a poor game plan. When they found a winning  formula , they abandoned it at crunch time. There was  no Coach of the Year on the Royal bench....just a Choke of the Year.....lol.

Naismith making himself 100% clear.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 01, 2007, 12:29:18 AM
Quote from: naismith on January 31, 2007, 11:03:43 PM
First,  CJ.......you mean Wilkes is below Susquehanna whom we beat.???

Some poll!!

Invited CJ Sr. for a hike up I-81 and a Royal/ Monarch doubleheader but he spurned my offer:

He drives and I buy the tix, dogs, grapes, melons and chips.....

He missed two exciting games.

Dr. James,
Surprised Pops didn't take ya up on that offer.  Last I checked, he had all intentions of going to see the Scranton - King's women's matchup, and then, because it's there, catch the guys game.  Kinda like you'll eat a salad only because it comes with the steak.

And polls aren't perfect.  One need only cite college football.  Or D-1 women's hoops that has unbeaten UNC at something other than #1.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 01, 2007, 12:32:27 AM
Wow, wow, wow, where do I start.

First off, I was criticized by a Scranton fan for being too "calm" during the game, I made up for it in the last three minutes.  

Naismith,

Thanks for the appreciation.  In all honesty I don't know what to think about this King's team.  I don't know what to think about this Conference in general.  Hopefully the DelVal loss is just like Scranton's loss to Drew last year.  

As for the officiating, I was told to watch out for the old guy... that prediction proved to be true.  As a King's fan, I thought we got no love in the second half and the charge called on The Cous was terrible.  As for the no call at the end, you will have to refresh my memory.  The last twelve seconds of that game were a haze.  I remember alot of missed walks, fouls, and even a Technical Foul that should have but weren't called by the refs in the final twelve seconds.

As for the Coach of the Year, Pete Marion from FDU has that wrapped up provided they make the playoffs.  


All in all, a thriller.  Too bad that all this rivalry may have left is this year's MAC playoffs.



PS:  Tough luck for the Lady Monarchs, came so close. 

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 01, 2007, 09:08:01 AM
Where to begin? Listened on 99.5 over the net. I need CC or Saratoga to give me some positives. My hope was progress for Scranton his year after a first round loss in the NCAAs. However, it appears they need to get by Kings before we even think about the NCAA tourny. Is as Naismith so subtly put it , the royals getting out coached? Or are their Fowards getting pushed around by the beefier bigs of Kings? Does Scranton need a few more role players on this team? I really wish they wouldn't come all the way back just to lose... ;D  I think Dean Corwin was ready for a heart attack...


re: Danzig....Scranton's game is  in the half court set...i thought Kings was the team that like to run and gun? Nevertheless, Danzig and his staff need to come up with a better game plan and the players need to execute because I am sure that Round 3 will take place in the playoffs.


Scranton needs to win out....and get a little help....you listening Desales (who I see lost to Drew!!) ?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 01, 2007, 10:40:54 AM
Nais,
You got mail.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on February 01, 2007, 12:00:20 PM
Col. or Naismith:  Do you know the worst record that Coach JR  has ever had for a season at Wilkes?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 01, 2007, 08:02:37 PM
Naismith: My God, don't hold back...call it like you see it. Wow, the most scathing critque on Coach Danzig since his arrival. In a way I hear what you're saying regarding Scranton's pressure D...or lack thereof...but, I'm pretty sure early on they were trying to apply it but... Kings was getting the ball upcourt pretty quickly & they were raining in from the wings especially. Personally, after the alley-oop slam I thought the momentum swing would be there to last...however, the swiss cheese defense allowed at least two too many uncontested layups. Also, should you miss 9 free-throws AT HOME like the Royals & you lose by 3...another aspect of the game within the game one can point to. OK, we now have "Scathing Critque No.1"...The Bad Game Plan by Coach Danzig, so when does your Scathing Critque No.II come out...Wilkes Univ...Jerry's Follies or Le Miserables 2007? I mean dead last in the MAC Freedom...some young kids granted but... people were on their band-wagon early on when they were winning a few, right? I know some Wilkes fans were really upbeat about the new kids...and they should be, however, let's not forget the young kids Scranton played last year as freshmen & still won with...Ryan FitzPatrick, Paul Biagioli, Brenden Fuller, Paul Hawk & Eli Londo...now they are just soph's & are having great years. So what's the problem at Wilkes, lack of true talent or bad game plans night after night? By the way, I think on any given night in this league regardless of your record any team can knock off any team. That's because there is no single dominate team that wins all the games they should & quite a few they shouldn't...like on the road game after game. For a reference...please refer to a far superior Desales team losing to Drew last evening in Madison. A great win for a group of kids & a coaching staff that get just about everything they can out of playing their game each game against usually better talent. By the way, where has wb1313 been lately...I don't think I've heard from him since Wilburt showed up.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on February 01, 2007, 08:59:27 PM
Question: How many conference losses will the winner of the Mac have? 2, 3? 4?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 01, 2007, 10:48:48 PM
LJK,

I think this will be Rickrode's 'worst hour'.

Saratoga,

I'm not really down on Danzig at all.
He has put together some talented players. He has a nice record overall.
I think this might be his best team overall and certainly has a chance to win some NCAA games (if they get there of course).

Having seen many Kings games (more than Scranton) and having seen this particular Monarch squad for 3 years, I am amazed that he allowed Kings to dictate tempo etc.

I think you have Kings backwards. They play best when the opponents do not pressure the ball and sit back is some type of zone or passive half court set.  In that type of game, Kings 'bigs' work for low post position and draw fouls, score or kick out to open shooters. Kings also likes their 'bigs' to set screens that allow Cousart to drive to the basket.

Kings doesn't run all that much. Cousart often just slowly walks the ball up the court calling set plays. Like most teams, they run if the opportunity presents itself and not by design.   

Scranton is a quicker team and a faster team. Scranton can put  some defense on the floor (RA, JP etc.)......Why not pressure the ball, create the turnover etc.

Maybe he is saving it for the playoffs??

Now as to JR. 
Wilkes started 9-2 losing only to a Clarkson team they easily should have beaten imho . (I was there) and Del Val which, at the time, was a major Freedom upset.
Of course, Colonel fans looked at who replaced the 5 or 6 graduate seniors (Mike C, John S, Greg C, Evan W etc.)  and non returnees David Goode (check him out at Chestnut Hill) and CS.

The Colonel faithful liked what they saw.

Tom Kresge looked like the 'real deal'. Matt Gould was playing with determination. Kable's marksmanship was never better. Steve Kline seemed cured of his freshman jitters and exhibited great finesse in the low post. Dan Adams played with energy and intensity. Off the bench, Gabe was a force inside and effortlessly scored. John Kelly had speed and demonstrated a knack for hitting the timely shot. Gulla looked like a savvy veteran handling the ball and managed to penetrate the lane on a consistent basis.

What was not to like at 9-2 heading into the meat of the schedule after ringing up the century mark on Marywood???

It just has not happened.
I do not think that Coach JR has been able to pinpoint any one breakdwon. It just seems to be the inability to make plays, set up teammates and execute.
I have no doubt the Wilkes coaching staff has scoured game tape after game tape trying to put something together to right the ship.

JR has tried a number of defenses.  Man to man, zone presses, man presses, various zones .....
In every loss, as a spectator, you can slmost always see the breakdowns. And the breakdowns come in all varities......Most just come down to simply being outplayed.

But defense has not been the primary problem.

Offensively, the team just does not click. Whether they try to expolit the packed down zones with permeter shooting or work  inside out ---the chemistry just isn't there nor is the execution.

I really cannot say that Wilkes is being outcoached or the game plans are poor.
Truth is, they are just plain getting beat.

Hope that sets the record straight.


Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 02, 2007, 12:06:36 AM
cc,

checked my e-mail...nothing from u.   my e-mail may have changed since we last corresponded direct.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 02, 2007, 12:17:58 AM
Quote from: ljk on February 01, 2007, 12:00:20 PM
Col. or Naismith:  Do you know the worst record that Coach JR  has ever had for a season at Wilkes?

Off the top of my head:
1992-93, 1st season, Wilkes was around 16-9.
1999-2000, Wilkes ended up like 4th in the Freedom and lost a brutal playoff game at Albright.
2002-03, Wilkes missed the playoffs completely
2003-04, Wilkes was a 4 seed, but still found a way to win at DeSales (4 over 1).
2004-05, Again, a 4 seed, 1st round exit

I don't have actual stats in front me, but I doubt any of those teams played .500 ball, and I know none of them were 1-9 in conference.

But don't lose sight of this stat.  Since JR took over in 1992-93:
MAC-F / MAC North Champions:
6 - Wilkes (95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 01)
5 - Scranton (94, 00, 03, 06)
2 - King's (93, 05)
2 - Lycoming (02, 04)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on February 02, 2007, 12:23:05 PM
Found some stats on Coach JR.of Wilkes:  Most losses:   In 01-02,  they were 15-11.  In 04-05,  they were 15-10.  In 05-06,  they were 14-10,  and 3 different seasons with 9 losses,  including his first season 16-9 (not bad Col.,  off the top of your head).   They are sitting at 9-9 now,  with 5 more games,  so history could be  in the making.  Another interesting item is Wilkes record at home,  at the Marts Center , under JR is 161-30 (.843),  prior to this season. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 02, 2007, 12:59:49 PM
CJ,

Trying to get this song released...maybe you could audition for American Idol with it!!  Or maybe NEPA IDOL.....

with apologies to Bob Dylan, Pat Garret and Billy the Kid: 'Knockin on Heaven's Door'

"Shootin the Air Ball" (or the Colonel Offensive Fight Song)

"mama take this ball off of me
I can't shoot it anymore
the baskets small too small for me to see
Feels like I'm shootin another air ball..."

shoot shoot shootin another air ball
shoot shoot shootin another air ball

Mama pass my shots around
I can't shoot them anymore
That long loud clank soon will sound
I feel like shootin another air ball-

Shoot shoot shootin another air ball
Shoot shoot shootin another air ball

Naismith


Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 02, 2007, 01:55:08 PM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on February 02, 2007, 12:17:58 AM
Quote from: ljk on February 01, 2007, 12:00:20 PM
Col. or Naismith:  Do you know the worst record that Coach JR  has ever had for a season at Wilkes?

Off the top of my head:
1992-93, 1st season, Wilkes was around 16-9.
1999-2000, Wilkes ended up like 4th in the Freedom and lost a brutal playoff game at Albright.
2002-03, Wilkes missed the playoffs completely
2003-04, Wilkes was a 4 seed, but still found a way to win at DeSales (4 over 1).
2004-05, Again, a 4 seed, 1st round exit

I don't have actual stats in front me, but I doubt any of those teams played .500 ball, and I know none of them were 1-9 in conference.

But don't lose sight of this stat.  Since JR took over in 1992-93:
MAC-F / MAC North Champions:
6 - Wilkes (95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 01)
5 - Scranton (94, 00, 03, 06)
2 - King's (93, 05)
2 - Lycoming (02, 04)


What have you done for me lately? The team with the longest drought? Wilkes.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 02, 2007, 03:40:37 PM
For u stat guys,

In the Freedom, who has qualified for the playoffs the most over the past 15 years?
The least?

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 02, 2007, 09:32:07 PM
Nais,

I'm guessing the answer is Wilkes, 14 or 13 appearances in that 15 year span?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on February 02, 2007, 09:45:23 PM
Another interesting item from the Wilkes record books:  Most FG made in a game, 18,  by Bo Ryan vs Susquehanna in 1969. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on February 02, 2007, 10:07:42 PM
The same Bo Ryan, Coach of #2 Wisconsin.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 03, 2007, 05:01:59 AM
Quote from: naismith on February 02, 2007, 03:40:37 PM
For u stat guys,

In the Freedom, who has qualified for the playoffs the most over the past 15 years?
The least?

Naismith

Naismith, I'd be stunned if that answer wasn't Scranton.  Remember when Wilkes was at their peak ('98?), Scranton was the big game and always in 2nd.

NEPAFan, to your crack about a drought, allow me to mention DeSales who is 0-for-11 seasons and FDU / Drew / Del Val who are 0-for-a lot longer.  All told, I can settle for having seen 2 of the last 3 title games.

LJK - great stat about Bo Ryan.  Didn't know that one.  And the reason that 16-9 number stuck out - Dave Macedo had the same record in his first year at VA Wesleyan. 

That 11 losses in a season record is in deep trouble.  Still gotta play King's, Scranton, and the powerhouses from Florham.  Aye.  9 1/2 months until mid-November.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on February 03, 2007, 08:07:11 PM
Colonel
Not sure if this is what you are looking for, but FDU did qualify for the playoffs in both 97-98 and 98-99....
If it's championships, well... ;)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: loyalroyal on February 03, 2007, 09:27:52 PM
I looked up the history of the Royals B-Ball Team and their playoff results are listed as follows since 1990:

1990-91 - Won conference
1991-92 - Loss to Susquehanna in Semis
1992-93 - Won conference
1993-94 - Did Not Qualify
1994-95 - Loss in Semis to Lebanon Valley
1995-96 - Loss in Quarters to Susquehanna
1996-97 - Loss in Quarters to Widener
1997-98 - Loss in Finals to Wilkes
1998-99 - Loss in Semis to Lebanon Valley
1999-00 - Loss in Finals to Widener
2000-01 - Loss in Finals to Wilkes
2001-02 - Loss in Semis to Lycoming
2002-03 - Won Conference
2003-04 - Did Not Qualify
2004-05 - Loss in Semis to Kings
2005-06 - Won Conference

The only team I could find somewhat of a history for was Kings, and this history is from 1997-98:

97-98 - DNQ
98-99 - DNQ
99-00 - DNQ
00-01 - Loss in Semis to Wilkes
01-02 - Loss in Finals to Lycoming
02-03 - Loss in Semis to Scranton
03-04 - Loss in Semis to Lycoming
04-05 - Won Conference
05-06 - Loss in Semis to Wilkes

Hope this helps answer some questions!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 03, 2007, 09:48:03 PM
I was seriously against Scranton leaving the Freedom but after listening to their game with FDU today, all I can say is that I’m glad they are joining the Landmark.
This FDU nonsense has finally run its course with me.
Their program is garbage (those empty rafters don’t lie) yet they seem to pick up a tainted victory every now and then at home.
Justifying this post is not hard. Just check the free throw shooting.
The powers-that-be in the Freedom have only themselves to blame for the state of flux their league is enduring.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on February 03, 2007, 11:11:22 PM
Cold case
Ouch. I guess you're a tad bit upset about today's game. Seriously, though. The program is garbage? Why? because we don't fill a 3000 seat court with only 1500 students who live on campus? Come on, what's so garbage with the program?
The players and coaching staff work very hard at what they do.  To call the program garbage sounds a lot like sour grapes...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 04, 2007, 03:49:58 AM
Loyal - Scranton didn't make the postseason in '94?  That's stunning to me.  They were coming off of 3 straight Sweet 16s, weren't they?

If memory serves, Wilkes in postseason:
2006 - Lost in Finals to Scranton
2005 - Lost in Semis to DeSales
2004 - Lost in Finals to Lycoming
2003 - Lost in Semis to King's
2002 - DNQ
2001 - Won MAC-F conference (over Scranton)
2000 - Lost in Quarters to Albright
1999 - Won MAC conference (over Leb Val)
1998 - Won MAC conference (over Scranton - the "Purple Tux Game")
1997 - Won Freedom regular season... lost MAC overall?
1996 - Won MAC conference
1995 - Won MAC conference
1994 - Cripes, I was 14 people.  I don't remember. :o)

Good to see Wilkes knock off Del Val.  Kable with 24, Kresge with 17, rest of the squad had 21.  Ehh, we'll take it.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 04, 2007, 06:43:04 AM
Quote from: bill on February 03, 2007, 11:11:22 PM
Cold case
Ouch. I guess you're a tad bit upset about today's game. Seriously, though. The program is garbage? Why? because we don't fill a 3000 seat court with only 1500 students who live on campus? Come on, what's so garbage with the program?
The players and coaching staff work very hard at what they do.  To call the program garbage sounds a lot like sour grapes...

Sour grapes?
No, not at all. Just dumbfounded.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
I remember seeing King's play at FDU the first year both schools came into the MAC. King's was down five with about four minutes to play. FDU had outshot King's 38-5 from the free throw line and the mood on the floor was getting a little scary before it all came to a head. A player from FDU threw a body block on a Kings player when he was going in for a layup and a minor scuffle ensued.
When order was finally restored, King's was hit with a couple technicals. FDU, ZERO!
Ed Donahue, the King's coach at the time, took his team off the floor and never came back out to finish the contest.
Driving home after the game I remember my buddy telling me that teams playing at FDU in the future are going to have problems.
Listening to the broadcast yesterday and how the game was going stirred up memories of that night in February, 1979. That same friend called me and asked if I was listening to the game. He also asked if it sounded familiar, minus the brawls.
Sour grapes back then and I guess it's sour grapes now. Funny how it always comes back to being a game involving FDU in New Jersey, regardless of the opponent.
Oh, by the way, the kid who threw the body block that night was never called for a foul. Instead, the King's player was whistled for travelling.
Oh, by the way, Part II. Check yesterdays boxscore for the free throw count.
This matter is officially closed on my part.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 04, 2007, 09:47:40 AM
cc, where does one get the box scores on this site?

I read the press release and it sounds like Scranton fouled intentionally at games end.
They said Emslie went 8 for 8.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 04, 2007, 10:01:53 AM
Nais,
I think FDU hit eight FT's in the final 20+ seconds. It was lopsided regardless.

THE UNIVERSITY OF SCRANTON (16-5, 7-3)
Arnold, Randy 6-16 3-3 15; FitzPatrick, Ryan 5-11 0-0 15; Paul Biagioli 5-10 3-4 15; Powell, James 5-6 0-0 11; Hawk, Paul 3-11 1-2 8; Cannon, Darren 1-3 0-0 3; Fuller, Brendan 1-2 0-0 2; Bicknell, Tom 1-5 0-0 2; O'Connell, Dan 0-1 0-0 0. Totals 27-65 7-9 71.

FDU-FLORHAM (15-6, 7-3)
Frank Emslie 6-11 12-13 28; Brian Rimol 6-8 6-8 18; Brian Dillon 3-6 4-4 13; Pierre Schmitt 3-10 1-7 7; Ryan McPherson 2-7 2-3 6; Brandon Matano 2-3 0-0 6; Cody Chalmers 0-0 1-2 1; Milton LaCroix 0-4 0-0 0; Andrew Biancosino 0-1 0-3 0. Totals 22-50 26-40 79.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 04, 2007, 10:17:57 AM
As to yesterday's results, the topsy turvy Fredom keeps on rolling.
Took a look at the Drew Ranger's schedule......and it is not impossible....
Could you imagine Drew, FDU in a Freedom Final!!
Not likely but stay tuned.

Went to Wilkes and passed on Kings/ DeSales.

Close game for most of the first half: Pinckney doing his usual stuff and 33 (Van Dyke?) showing some nice touch with a few baseline jumpers. Del Val is a bit small and the roster is laden with frosh and sophs (it always seems that way)....I thought Del Val did a good job on the boards. (12 off rbds in box score). One observer noted that the 1-3-1 that Wilkes deployed is vulnerable to the offensive rebound especially from the weakside.

For Wilkes, they shot the ball reasonably well for a change. Kresge had an 'efficient' game and Kable found his touch.

Gabe played the point on the 1-3-1 and did ok. Quiet offensive day for him.
The Wilkes faithful were nervous even with a substantial lead and when the ft's started clanking (Fasciana missed the 1st 2 and Kable actually shot an air ball from the ft line)....well......they settled down and hit most the remaining charity tosses.

My player of the game was Chris Gulla. He played 21 minutes before fouling out on a ridiculous offensive foul.....
His 5 assists and 3 TO effort understates his court presence. He created ball movement, penetrated the lane for some effortless kick out passes to open shooters.
CG doesn't panic in traffic and  he made some plays for his teammates.
He did a solid job defensively underneath in the 1-3-1. When he played outside, he was able to contain Pinckney on the drive and actually pickpocketed him for his steal.
Felt the offense ran well with him handling the ball......

A suddenly desperate Scranton team (guess I put the hex on them by anointing them conference champs pre-Kings/FDU)  coming to town....just what the Colonels need.

CC, do you have the numbers of those Jersey zebras???

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 04, 2007, 10:48:30 AM
I was at this game (Royals vs. FDU), and it was as disgusting live as it appears on paper. Three weeks ago I mentioned on this site that the Scranton game AT Drew was probably the best officiated game I had seen in a long, long time. Yesterdays game at FDU was the most one-sided display of "homerjobitis" I've seen in recent years. Not only were two of the three bad, it appeared they enjoyed being pathetic. The youngest of the Stooges was pretty good...90% of the calls came from the 2 others & MAC Central really needs to do a little in-house investigation into this game & 2/3 of this crew. This should be done not for Scranton's sake as everyone knows their leaving this conference anyway...but, there are teams that still have to play FDU in the future & this form a blatent incompetence should NOT be tolerated. There was even a Technical foul called on DC for looking at the ref & saying, "What?" Bang, a technical. Now there may be some of you out there that have never seen Scranton play...but, understand this, Coach Danzig runs a tight ship & those kids never moan & groan about calls during a game...they may not like what was just called, but they don't put on the theatrics as many kids do...they just hand the ball to the ref & move on. They have won numerous Sportsmanship awards so to see the frustration building toward the end of this fiasco was pretty predictable. I realize it was Alumni Day at FDU yesterday...I just never realized old Roger has so many of his former players now employed as Jersey refs!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 04, 2007, 12:37:18 PM
First things first,

King's had another solid win yesterday defeating DeSales with the final 17 seconds of the game being almost as exciting as that last segment at Scranton.

As for CC and Naismith,

Isn't it common knowledge in this league that when you play out of state you tend to get hosed.  Let's not sell FDU's  ride short and say its all because of poor officiating.  The same bad refs were reffing FDU games when the program had three conference wins per season.  Besides, we have some notorious officials here in the NEPA Valley as well. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 04, 2007, 01:48:57 PM
Leo: Even the best refs have off games, as do players & even coaches. This was not just a bad game...it boardered on absolute incompetence. When FDU won 7 games per year I can assure you they were in just about every one at home & only by the shear quality of talent of their opposition did they lose. Take their current squad of seasoned veterans...I believe 4 seniors start, add a serious dash of horrible refs with a chip on their shoulders the size of a cinder block & you have a recipe for disaster. When any team shoots 40 free-throws to another teams 9...you have a problem. If the Royals usually only win 5 games per year & have no concept of the game & are just a bunch of hacks, that's one thing...but, to witness one shadow foul after another all game long by a good team was a bit much. With that said, Scranton still could have won this as the lead got to 2pts. with about 3 minutes to go & as in the Kings game an ill-advised shot here, a mystery foul there, a unforced turnover x 2 here & the next thing you know the 2pt. deficit is now 8 & it's start the bus. Some kids are stepping up...some are in a funk, some are trying to do too much. Relax & play your game... Good things will happen. PS. James Powell left his heart & soul on the court yesterday...110% hustle.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 05, 2007, 08:09:20 AM
Does anybody know who won the Super Bowl??????
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 05, 2007, 10:45:39 AM
Thanks for the info LoyalRoyal.




RE: FDU loss. When was the last time anyone has seen such a foul shot disparity? And the last time Scranton got a technical foul? Good call Saratoga.


Regardless, Scranton has to move on and right the ship against Wilkes, which as down as Rickrode's team has been, will not be an easy task. I'll worry about possible playoff scenarios later!


The Super Bowl was last night???
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on February 05, 2007, 01:53:03 PM
Wilkes/Del Val was one ugly contest.  It had the look and feel of a scrimmage.  With the sparse crowd, you could hear the players chatting.  At one point Pinckey complained to the ref that Gould hit him in the mouth.  Pinckney still has never met a shot he didnt like.  Buzz Kable had the game that the Wilkes faithful have been waiting for.  I would like to see him put the ball on the deck more, creating his own shot.   With his size and strength, he could take the smaller guards in the league down in the paint, and draw more fouls by driving to the hoop.  He has the potential to be a scorer.  Kresge is starting to get back to form, but still does not look as comfortable as he did in the early going.  The new guy, DeFeo, had some good moments with some hustle plays.  Gabe did not seem to be his usual self.  Gould and Gulla played tough with excellent floor game.  Kline and Adams are the "unfinishers".   The 1-3-1 zone has a lot of holes and does seem vulnerable to a better team with the personnel to attack it.  Maybe Naismiths Dylan tune was the lucky charm to break Wilkes losing streak.  Perhaps the Colonels should come out to the floor to the strains of Bob, "How does it feeeeeel?, To get off the sniddde."  Wilkes is 10-9 with 4 to play.  Most losses by a JR team is 11.  Will they break the record?  Stay tuned.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 05, 2007, 03:15:02 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 05, 2007, 08:09:20 AM
Does anybody know who won the Super Bowl??????
ColdCase - congrats on your boys getting their first ring in Indy.  I had Colts 20-17 in the office pool.  Shame on me for underestimating Vinatieri.

Nice article in the Wilkes Beacon about the end of the Wilkes - Scranton rivalry:
http://media.www.wilkesbeacon.com/media/storage/paper533/news/2007/02/05/Sports/End-Of.An.Era.For.Classic.Rivalry-2695134.shtml?sourcedomain=www.wilkesbeacon.com&MIIHost=media.collegepublisher.com

My favorite part of the rivalry - Wilkes wins 10 straight from 1998-2001, including the 2000 season where Scranton won the conference, but lost to an 8-6 Wilkes team twice.  Throw out the records.

So far this season, I crowned DeSales MAC-F Champs after two games, and Naismith crowned Scranton before 2 straight losses.  Who's next?

I always assumed a playoff game at DeSales was a worst-case scenario.  Who knew there was a possibility of a playoff game at FDU??   Nightmare.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: upton on February 05, 2007, 05:44:14 PM
The article from the Beacon was good.  However, I disagree with one of the statements made.  I said something like Wilkes has won the majority of the meetings over Scranton in recent years.  In reality, Scranton holds a 7-5 record over Wilkes this year and the 5 seasons prior.  To me, that is recent history.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 05, 2007, 06:07:18 PM
My favorite part of the Wilkes/Scranton rivalry was the Royals winning about 73 straight from 1920 until Jerry arrived on the Wilkes campus. Ahh, the good old days!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 05, 2007, 06:29:19 PM
Hey Toga,
Do you remember the bloodbath Scranton had with Wilkes back in 1980? I still have the newspaper story about it.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 05, 2007, 07:20:50 PM
CC: I do indeed. The names of Earle Crockett & Dave Capin come to mind. By the way CJ, isn't it the Marts Center at Wilkes as opposed to the "Martz'(like the bus co.) Center? Jeez, that's worse than the reporter at the Scranton Times still referring to you guys as Wilkes College.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 05, 2007, 10:15:59 PM
Wilkes/Scranton

I seem to remember a Steve Ference led team winning one at the Long around 74-75??
No?

Wilkes was a wrestling powerhouse in that era winning the very first DIII tourney which was hosted at Wilkes.
The Colonels crowned 3 NCAA individual champs: John Chakmakas @ 134, Artie Trovei @ 142 and Mike Lee @ 150.
Coach Reese, however, did not get COY (went to the runnerup team John Carrol I think).
Shortly thereafter, Wilkes went DI....

If u think I might have been there.....well.....maybe I was......

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 05, 2007, 10:20:50 PM
As to Mr. Capin,

I was absent in that era living in Beantown watching Sidney Wicks and Curtis Rowe play hoops, Dave Cowens drive a cab, Terry O'Reilly crosscheck with Cheevers in goal.....Bucky Dent hitting playoff homeruns......Rise Jim trounce all comers at Sufferin (Suffolk) Downs......quaffing a few brews at Sam Malonr's bar (pre Cheers).


Mr. Capin, however, never really left and can still be found wandering the streets of Scranton at lunch hour looking for a game...lol.

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 06, 2007, 07:50:39 AM
Quote from: naismith on February 05, 2007, 10:20:50 PM
Mr. Capin, however, never really left and can still be found wandering the streets of Scranton at lunch hour looking for a game...lol.Naismith

Or a left hook. ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 06, 2007, 09:30:56 AM
LoyalRoyal and Upton coming with posts out of nowhere and CC and Saratoga talking ancient history  ;D    .....Too bad we are all migrating to the Landmark board in a few months!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 06, 2007, 10:12:48 AM
Quote from: cold_case on December 31, 2006, 12:29:33 PM
Two final things. One is that Scranton is going to be annoucing "BIG" news, but not until everything is finalized. Yes, Corporal and wb, it has to do with basketball and you may want to feel lucky Scranton is leaving the Freedom.


CC,


Don't think I have forgotten this post from a few months ago.....can you disclose? Or was your big news a vision of the Royals get a screw job from the refs in Jersey?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 06, 2007, 10:20:31 AM
Oh, you mean about the 6-9 kid they got from Connecticut? Is that the news you wanted?
He's at Scranton now but won't play until next year. He does go to all the games from what I'm told.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 06, 2007, 10:25:19 AM
Quote from: cold_case on February 06, 2007, 10:20:31 AM
Oh, you mean about the 6-9 kid they got from Connecticut? Is that the news you wanted?
He's at Scranton now but won't play until next year. He does go to all the games from what I'm told.


A Big East transfer from UCONN??!?!  Forget College of Charleston!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 06, 2007, 10:28:52 AM
Don't be a toolbox. ;D He's from the state of Ct., not from the school itself. He graduated two years ago and was supposedly headed to a small D-I but decided against it.
Title: Freedom Conference Playoff Matrix
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 06, 2007, 11:21:42 AM
For those junkies that are interested, I spent my spare time last night (while watching Jack Bauer try to save the world) creating what I will call the Freedom Conference Playoff Matrix.

I borrowed the template from a friend and it outlines the current standings, upcoming schedules and current records vs. each conference opponent to help with those who like to try and figure out the Freedom Conference playoff scenarios.

My hope is that I will have time to post this after each set of games is played and if I have the energy and care, I'll post playoff clinching scenarios at the bottom.

Until then enjoy my creation and the end of the hoops regular season.

Follow the link below for the matrix
http://athletics.desales.edu/Pdfs/mbball/2007/2/6/HoopsMatrixM.pdf?path=mbball
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 06, 2007, 12:57:40 PM
CC: Wasn't Capin's father the President of Wilkes at the time of the rumble? I had just graduated & was living out of town at that time so I never really knew what happened...just heard the names of the innocent mentioned through the years. NEPA: The transfer spent one semester(fall) at Flordia International...did not play & is now in school. He'll be a soph. next year with freshman eligability. Nothing was mentioned before because everything was contingent on his acceptance.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach C on February 06, 2007, 01:07:24 PM
Ahh the intrigue!!!!!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 06, 2007, 02:19:52 PM
Quote from: Coach C on February 06, 2007, 01:07:24 PM
Ahh the intrigue!!!!!!


Indeed , when were  you going to share this information (CC/Saratoga?)   Is the "transfer" any good?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 06, 2007, 02:35:01 PM
QuoteLoyalRoyal and Upton coming with posts out of nowhere and CC and Saratoga talking ancient history      .....Too bad we are all migrating to the Landmark board in a few months!

That raises the question.  What will this board be like next season, myself Nais and CJ talking about all things Wilkes-Barre?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 06, 2007, 03:48:27 PM
'toga,
What I'll try to do is scan the story about the brawl and e-mail it to you, or try to paste it on this board. I know it's old news but I never saw anything like it.
Capin was looking for trouble all night. Whenever a Scranton player missed a free throw, he'd walk to them at the FT line and clap in their face. That coupled with the officials calling everything tight caused the entire mess.
Finally with less than a minute left and Scranton up six and shooting FT's, Capin walked to center court and said something to Crockett. No less than a second later, Crockett dropped Capin with a right cross. Capin laid on the floor with blood pouring out of his nose and the players and most of the crowd was on the court swinging away. I remember I went down to break up a fight between Scranton's trainer John Robertson and Wilkes' Kendall McNeil. The next thing I knew, I was on the deck, suckered punched by a Wilkes wrestler standing over me.
Then he went down seconds later by somebody I never saw before.
Ugly stuff.
I'll see how to scan this thing and share it with everybody.
By the way, guess who one of the local ref's was? You know, local? Dunmore? 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 06, 2007, 06:33:50 PM
NEPA: " Is the transfer any good"? I couldn't tell you as I've never seen him play, play a pick-up game or even workout. I have certainly "heard" he's the "real deal"...but, I learned a long time ago to trust your eyes when assesing talent as opposed to your ears. However, if you trust the opinions of people you have faith in as pretty good judges of talent...then the Royals landed a good one.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 06, 2007, 07:18:39 PM
CC: You were right in the middle of that stuff??? I don't think I've ever come close to being at a game & having it turn that ugly...sounds like it was brewing throughout. I've heard about the two main combatants from each school but, never really understood what caused the actual punches to be thrown. If you still have the article I'd love to read about it. What the heck was Bess doing while this was happening...probably trying to save Robbie from harms way! Leo: I think you've nailed it...I mean besides Scranton, Kings & Wilkes fans...who posts here? Lycoming...no factor since the British came for William Wallace. Drew...no posters on the mens side in probably 2 years...off to the Landmark anyway. FDU, Bill comes on once & a while...but, nothing from students or alumni...not even a guest spot from Roger on the current state of affairs on points of emphasis for NewJersey basketball officials assigned to games @ FDU Florham. Desales...I think there was a brief response from one of their dozen or so fans about a month ago...that was the first post from the Lehigh Valley during the Bush Administration and  then  there's Delaware Valley...God bless them...they have one heck of a fan on the womens side (Hi Kate)...but, once the womens game is over, she & just about everyone else head for the exits. I don't think there's been a DVC poster since the one guy came on about 4 years ago touting his younger brother as the next AI. Just for the sake of old arguments...we'll certainly have to stay in touch otherwise it may get very quiet in a hurry. However, still much b-ball left to this season with some great games still to be played. Royal Recovery or Royal Flush?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 06, 2007, 09:13:57 PM
Re/ Scranton:

the real question about the 6' 9" transfer; can he play???

NEPA,

does Kings or FDU get a top 25 vote???

Saratoga:

Dave's dad was Wilkes Pres. for a period of time....not sure about 1980.
I was out of town at that time.

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ronk on February 06, 2007, 09:40:30 PM
BJ - DSU SID,
     thanks for the effort and the future updates. We needed this 5? years ago when in the final week of the season there was the possibility of a 5-way tie for 1st place at 9-5.  One team was to be eliminated on the 5th tiebreaker at least from playing for the NCAA bid.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 07, 2007, 06:01:23 AM
DSU SID,
That Matrix is spectacular.  Good job.  And, it's official, having seen that, Wilkes has been mathematically eliminated.  Qualify me as a junkie.

Leo,
What's this board going to be like next year?  I've got 3 words for ya: Addition by subtraction.

'Toga,
Wish I could argue with ya about that 73 in a row.  Sadly, you're probably damn close.  That was about as much a rivalry as "hammer vs. nail"

Time to send Scranton off to the Landmark wish one more night of well-wishing from the faithful at the MARTS Center (Not Martz Hall in Pottsville, or Martz Bus).  For old time's sake, I'll end another D3hoops post with my not-yet-patented closing:

Scranton still sucks.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 07, 2007, 08:51:16 AM
Quote from: saratoga on February 06, 2007, 06:33:50 PM
NEPA: " Is the transfer any good"? I couldn't tell you as I've never seen him play, play a pick-up game or even workout. I have certainly "heard" he's the "real deal"...but, I learned a long time ago to trust your eyes when assesing talent as opposed to your ears. However, if you trust the opinions of people you have faith in as pretty good judges of talent...then the Royals landed a good one.


Fair enough, Danzig and Company haven't missed on the two transfers that they have brought in, but it sounds like this kid hasn't played organized basketball in a bit.


Quote from: naismith on February 06, 2007, 09:13:57 PM


NEPA,

does Kings or FDU get a top 25 vote???





Messiah and Kings would split the vote for me.


Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on February 07, 2007, 06:01:23 AM

Leo,
What's this board going to be like next year?  I've got 3 words for ya: Addition by subtraction.



Take a look at this board over the past few weeks and then seriously tell me it is addition by subtraction??


Here is hoping Scranton gets off the snide tonight.......
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 07, 2007, 10:08:35 AM
NEPA,
As Rodney Dangerfield once said, "You have a lot to say, about what I have no idea." :(
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 07, 2007, 11:58:28 AM
Quote from: cold_case on February 07, 2007, 10:08:35 AM
NEPA,
As Rodney Dangerfield once said, "You have a lot to say, about what I have no idea." :(


I'm a renaissance man, I know a little about everything!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on February 07, 2007, 02:16:36 PM
saratoga

Yeah, I only post occasionally, but I'm always "lurking" ;D

When you're in my position, sometimes you have to just keep your feelings to yourself, which is very tough for me to do!

I'm enjoying the the season as it winds down, and I hope all the teams stay healthy to the end!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: loyalroyal on February 07, 2007, 09:57:29 PM
I'm always lurking as well on these boards always trying to come up with an obscure stat or historical fact if someone asks for it.

So with the Scranton win over Wilkes coupled with Lyco losing, Scranton has clinched a playoff spot.  And if FDU beats DeSales, then FDU has locked up a playoff spot as well.

FDU in the top two of the conference is a scary thought because any playoff game at FDU will cause the visiting team to suffer an 8 to 5 man disadvantage (5 for FDU plus the three zebras).  So I bet Scranton is PRAYING for FDU to mess up, and Kings as well, because if FDU can end up getting the top spot or get to host the championship game, the Freedom Conference Title could end up in Jersey this year.  But always rooting for my purple and white!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 07, 2007, 10:04:25 PM
DeSales blitzed FDU tonight. I left the Scranton/Wilkes game with about 10 minutes to play. Kind of boring.
Title: Updated Playoff Matrix
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 08, 2007, 12:40:19 AM
A few teams have clinched playoff spots (King's and Scranton).  DeSales and FDU can each clinch with one win each.

Once the weekend results are in we might get a better picture of who has the upper hand on earning a top two seed and a playoff game.  At this point the top four teams are all very much alive for a top seed and a home playoff game.

Enjoy!!!
http://athletics.desales.edu/Pdfs/mbball/2007/2/6/HoopsMatrixM.pdf?path=mbball
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 08, 2007, 09:37:43 AM
A pretty ho-hum finale to the Scranton-Wilkes rivalry huh?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 08, 2007, 05:00:02 PM
Is the board down for repairs or did the Wilkes fans give up on their kids?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 08, 2007, 07:19:06 PM
I was not able to get to this one in person but, on the broadcast it certainly seemed as though Wilkes had no offensive rhythm...they'd work the ball for 30 seconds one possesion & the next they'd fire up a "3" in transition, and that seemed like it repeated time & again. I'd like to think Scranton's defense had something to do with Wilkes erratic play...or is their offensive playbook been thrown out & its just get this nightmare over?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chargers on February 08, 2007, 07:27:58 PM
cold case - wilkes fans are alive and well
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 09, 2007, 09:05:04 AM
Quote from: chargers on February 08, 2007, 07:27:58 PM
cold case - wilkes fans are alive and well


An actual student posting???!!


Hey CC,


How is the scanning going? If that doesn't work you can always type the whole article out.... ;D



Off topic but great story...

http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=17831070&BRD=2185&PAG=461&dept_id=416049&rfi=6
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 09, 2007, 11:05:15 AM
According to my sources the Presidents of the Landmark Schools met yesterday. I wonder if they adopted CC's recommendation for the new logo
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 09, 2007, 11:21:46 AM
This is the way Wilkes-Scranton ends.
This is the way Wilkes-Scranton ends.
This is the way Wilkes-Scranton ends.
Not with a bang, but a whimper.

Wilkes fans are still around.  Just quiet.  And a little demoralized.  Personal note - the two institutions at which I spent the last 10 years of my formal education, Bishop O'Reilly and Wilkes, both the last game in a series with their biggest rival on Wednesday.  Can I end a post with "Holy Redeemer HS still sucks", despite the school's nonexistence?

Wilkes's 2nd half performance was VASTLY better than the 1st half performance.  Saratoga accurately described the first half.  An offense out of sync, largely due to COY '06 Danzig.  When noted 3-point shooter Kable entered, Scranton went man.  When Kable rested, Scranton went zone.  Simple, yet effective.

2nd half: Gulla, Kable, Fasciana, Kresge, DeFeo.  Those 5 played even with Scranton in the 2nd half.  Perhaps they were tougher to defend or presented more offensive options, but the 2nd half was even.  Alright, fine, the edge went to Scranton, but only because of free throws.

Note from the basketball gods: Wilkes was eliminated from the 2001 NCAA tournament because of two missed free throws as time was running out.  Rather than learn, and have a team of all 80% FT shooters, Wilkes has been, perennially, one of the worst FT shooting teams around.  And, accordingly, Wilkes hasn't seen an NCAA game since.   Note to all Colonels - you have 9 months.  Shoot free throws, and throw some weights around. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on February 09, 2007, 12:24:48 PM
Col., I couldnt agree more about Wilkes poor FT shooting over the years.  It really took them out of a lot of games, especially in crunch time.  The guy who was automatic from the stripe was Januzzi.  He would just take the ball from the ref and knock it down without even a dribble.   Perhaps they should bring him in for a FT clinic for the team in the future.   First time seeing the Royals this year.  They are very good and I was impressed by the balance on the team.  Guys understand the game and each player has his role, which is one of the marks of a championship team.    They had 4 players in double figures against Wilkes,  and I believe,  they are all back,  except for Cannon.   They have the best big man and  the best floor general in the league in Bicknell and Arnold, in my opinion.   I think Arnold might be the most valuable, and  is my favorite player in the league to watch.   The kid O'Connell was tough, playing an excellent floor game.    Biagioli is a slasher with a nice mid range game ( a lost art nowadays), and FitzPatrick looks like a deadeye shooter.   Speaking of FTs, the Royals missed one all night (20-21) and Wilkes really lost the game in the first half missing  a lot of their opportunities on the line.   Wilkes 1-3-1 zone is just not getting it done.  With Wilkes smallest player in the back, Scranton just posted the big guy deep and he ended up with a mismatch every time.   I really like the way Bicknell posts up, using his off hand to pin, and then roll to the basket strong.  I have question for Saratoga,  Does Coach Danzig get on the refs every game like he did against Wilkes?   Even some of the Royals fans got into the act voicing their displeasure with the zebras,  throughout the game.   I know this league has a lot to be desired in terms of the officiating,  but sometimes you have to stop whining and just play on, especially when you have the horses.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 09, 2007, 05:56:20 PM
LJK and CJ,

Wilkes shot 9-18 ft's in the 1st half against Scranton.
As you noted, the Royals were 20-21. (for the game)

Kresge went 17 pts 9 boards
Kline went for 17 pts and 8 boards

Wilkes (despite the 1-3-1) outrebounded Scranton 33-25.  Considering the high % Scranton shot for the game, that is a decent job by Wilkes.

Wilkes did lead early 15-11 and 19-15. Down 11 at the half, had they made  15-18, the margin is 5.

In the 2nd half, the usually  reliable Kable missed four wide open threes. Zone or no  joe zone and man or no man is an island, these are shots that Buzz usually knocks down with his eyes closed.

Had he made even two of them, the Scranton lead (which was around 7 at that point could have disappeared.  The 2nd half, as CJ said, was played about even.

And yes, Bicknell should be at Bucknell and Randy MVP Arnold both  understands and plays the pg position to perfection.

Fitz is a real pure shooter and Biagoli is a matchup nightmare. The Hawk can also shoot the 3 with range. (see Kings game). Powell can be exposive on both sides of the ball.

So, take nothing from the Royals....I still see them NCAA bound and a winner when they get there (for at least a while).

Predicting a Colonel season ending sweep of FDU, Kings and Drew....all the signs and stars are pointed that way....heh heh.

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 09, 2007, 06:17:30 PM
NEPA: A very nice article indeed. Puts things in perspective...especially when most high school athletes could not give you the details of a good number of the games they were involved in...I'm sure this young lady will remember that game the rest of her life.  LJK: Actually, Coach Danzig is probably the least vocal of all the head coaches in the MAC Freedom. Of course he'll chirp & give his best game look when necessary...but, overall he is usually composed & not ready to get hit with a T right off the bus like some in the league. I think what you probably witnessed was some carry-over frustration from Sat's. ambush at FDU when they shot 40...that's FORTY free-throws to the Royals 9. Any good coach worth his weight is going to get on the officials early & often to protect their kids to make sure that type of travesty doesn't happen again any time soon...especially 4 days later. Trust me, Jessie & Frank James are alive & well & still robbing in Florham, NewJersey.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 09, 2007, 07:04:05 PM
FYI: In their last two games, Scranton has been outshot from the free throw line, 71-30.
Ouch!!!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: susquejamma on February 10, 2007, 02:34:03 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 09, 2007, 11:05:15 AM
According to my sources the Presidents of the Landmark Schools met yesterday. I wonder if they adopted CC's recommendation for the new logo

Yes, they picked a logo earlier this week. I believe it was an SU student who drew it. I'll try to get a hold of it ASAP.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 11, 2007, 02:33:21 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 09, 2007, 11:05:15 AM
According to my sources the Presidents of the Landmark Schools met yesterday. I wonder if they adopted CC's recommendation for the new logo

I've got my guess of "mushroom cloud" for the new Landmark logo.

In other news, an FDU win over Wilkes keeps them one behind Scranton for that mythical home playoff game.  Attention "rest of the Freedom" (aka not King's or Scranton) - we must do everything in our power to ensure that FDU gets at least one home game, and in a dream world, home court throughout.  Blow this bracket up.  I'm looking at you, Lycoming and DeSales.  Win your home games coming up against Scranton.  JP, rest your starters on the 17th against FDU, y'know, don't show too many cards.  Keep the dream alive.

DeSales fans - unless Scranton finishes ahead of King's, despite the Lyco loss yesterday, you still make the MAC-F playoffs, regardless of your last 2 games.  Of course, an easier way to get in is to win a game, or have Lyco lose one.  Though, unfortunately, the Curse of Greg Reilly will prevent you from hosting a playoff game.

Once the calendar turns to February... look at King's.  A win over DeSales, a decent win over Lyco, and a 40 point thrashing of Drew in Jersey.  10-2 in conference, 16-7 overall, and a sweep of Scranton.  I'm impressed.  Ken Atkins would be proud.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: loyalroyal on February 11, 2007, 03:37:13 AM
Question for all you more experienced Freedom Conference regulars on here: when the playoffs roll around, are the refs for the games voted on by the conference (coaches, SIDs, etc.) or is it the same process as the regular season?  With the conference tournament right around the corner, any teams that may have to travel to Jersey may face refs that have not been up to par (in my humble opinion) of calling a tournament game.  Hopefully one of you can shed some light on the subject.

Oh and ColonelJohn, "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes..."

Then I say "Tantum eruditi sunt liberi"
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 11, 2007, 08:54:46 AM
loyalroyal,
A few years back I remember talking to former coaches Bob Bessoir and Ed Donahue about the assigning of playoff officials and they both told me that a lot is based on the regular season. If coaches file complaints against certain referee's throughout the year, they won't be assigned to postseason games of those teams. In essence, they sort of pick the officials they want, even though they didn't actually sit back with their athletic director and select them.
That's how it used to work. I don't know if it's the same now.

CJ, you sound very bitter towards LANDMARK team, Scranton. How come? Didn't you realize after Wilkes lost to LANDMARK team, King's Point in the NCAA's a few years back, that it was all over? :'(
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 11, 2007, 01:25:38 PM
CJ,

If The Monarchs can clinch home court on Tuesday at the Marts Center, then maybe some of JP's starters will rest on Saturday.  Perhaps the two seniors on the bench will get the start???

Loyalroyal,

Last year's playoffs games had three refs I had never seend before, at least thats what I could remember.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 11, 2007, 01:34:04 PM
I wonder if the Freedum League people will keep an eye on the final week's games regarding hanky panky?
I would like to see an FDU/Scranton opening round game, regardless of where they play. I have my reasons after talking with someone today..
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 11, 2007, 01:43:19 PM
CC: Out with the details...inquiring minds want to know! Wilkes in DEAD-last...behind DVC...ouch! Can they put together one complete game the 2nd. half of the season?
Title: Playoff Matrix
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 11, 2007, 03:28:24 PM
Here is the updated playoff matrix.  So far this season has left us with not too many question marks regarding who's in the playoffs.  As it stands right now, King's (#1), Scranton (#2) and FDU (#3) have all clinched spots.

DeSales is on the brink of clinching a spot, but I did find one scenario in my research last night that has them on the outside looking in.  One more Bulldog win OR one more Lycoming loss and DeSales clinches the fourth and final spot.

In regards to playoff seeding, the #1 seed is clinched by the Monarchs if they can win one more game since they swept the season series with Scranton.  The other three teams all still have a shot at the #2 spot, so I'll wait till after the Tuesday games to post these scenarios.

Here is the updated matrix.
http://athletics.desales.edu/Pdfs/mbball/2007/2/6/HoopsMatrixM.pdf?path=mbball

FYI - None of this has been confirmed with the conference office, so feel free to let me know if someone sees a mistake and I'll try to confirm it if I get time before Tuesday's games.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 11, 2007, 08:01:14 PM
CC: Have you been speaking with Scooter Libby again???
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 11, 2007, 09:25:14 PM
Scooter Libby? ;D
Toga, I think someone should tell the DeSales fan that Scranton and King's know the score when it comes to tie-breakers. I remember you used to wear that purple and white striped scarf to the games.
Anyway, playoffs must be a big and exciting thing to some teams.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 12, 2007, 12:17:19 AM
LoyalRoyal... you're alright.  :D  How true is that...

Leo - LOVE the prospects of King's clinching homecourt on Tuesday, and then benching their starters on Saturday.  Except for one detail.  They'd have to win at the Marts Center.

DeSales SID - FDU clinched their spot, being 3 up with 2 to play.  Give 'em the "X-" before their name.

DeSales - More I look at it, aren't you in regardless?  Assuming the scenario of DeSales losing 2, and Lyco winning 2 to force a tie-breaker, Scranton ends at 10-4.  Head-to-head was a split, didn't play out of conference.  Goes to how you did against the best team.  I mention Scranton at 10-4, because that's the best they can do, it's the best FDU can do, and it's the worst King's can do. 

Assuming a 2-way King's - Scranton tie, King's has the tiebreaker (head to head).  DeSales beat King's, Lycoming didn't. DeSales gets in.  Assuming a 3-way tie, head-to-head among the 3 teams, King's would be 3-1, FDU would be 2-2, Scranton would be 1-3.  King's gets the 1 seed, DeSales gets in.  Pop the champagne, Bulldogs.  You'll be dancing. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 12, 2007, 11:24:23 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on February 12, 2007, 12:17:19 AM
King's gets the 1 seed, DeSales gets in.  Pop the champagne, Bulldogs.  You'll be dancing. 


Talk about lowered expectations. Noone is popping champagne for getting into the MAC FREEDOM playoffs. Well at least I know the Scranton Royals aren't ....talk to me when the team gets a bid to the NCAA's.....


Wilkes  needs to clone Januzzi.....the savior.... ;D
Title: Good Work CJ
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 12, 2007, 11:51:31 AM
ColonelJohn you are correct.  I obviously stared at this matrix way too long on Saturday night/Sunday morning and just confused myself.  Thanks for the help and the correction.  I do however think we will hold off on the champagne celebration.

The four playoff teams are set (King's, Scranton, FDU, DeSales).  Assuming CJ and myself are correct.

The seeding however is very much wide open.  I'll play with those numbers after Tuesday's games.  If teams are wondering what they need to do on Tuesday to help their cause for a first-round home game, etc...My advice would be to WIN.  That usually never hurts you.

Updated Matrix.
http://athletics.desales.edu/Pdfs/mbball/2007/2/6/HoopsMatrixM.pdf?path=mbball
Title: Re: Good Work CJ
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 12, 2007, 01:33:06 PM
Quote from: BJ - DSU SID on February 12, 2007, 11:51:31 AM
ColonelJohn you are correct.  I obviously stared at this matrix way too long on Saturday night/Sunday morning and just confused myself.  Thanks for the help and the correction.  I do however think we will hold off on the champagne celebration.

The four playoff teams are set (King's, Scranton, FDU, DeSales).  Assuming CJ and myself are correct.

The seeding however is very much wide open.  I'll play with those numbers after Tuesday's games.  If teams are wondering what they need to do on Tuesday to help their cause for a first-round home game, etc...My advice would be to WIN.  That usually never hurts you.

Updated Matrix.
http://athletics.desales.edu/Pdfs/mbball/2007/2/6/HoopsMatrixM.pdf?path=mbball



Okay Royal Fans....who would you like to see in the first round?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 12, 2007, 02:49:44 PM
Goucher. Oh wait, that's next year.
Goucher brings back memories because I used to frequent the campus in August when the Colts used their facility for training camp.
Fun stuff and it's an easy campus to find. I believe it's right off Joppa Road, only abut two miles from the Rt. 95 exit.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 12, 2007, 03:00:42 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 12, 2007, 02:49:44 PM
Goucher. Oh wait, that's next year.
Goucher brings back memories because I used to frequent the campus in August when the Colts used their facility for training camp.
Fun stuff and it's an easy campus to find. I believe it's right off Joppa Road, only abut two miles from the Rt. 95 exit.


Yes i anticipate getting some of the baltimore inner city players....as future royals.... ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 12, 2007, 06:24:24 PM
NEPA: Recruiting in Baltimore...perhaps Carmello Anthony has a little brother & GMac can put in a good word for us. As for who would I like to see the Royals open up with...how about Wilkes??? Oh, that's right. Actually, it really doesn't matter...I just hope they end up #2 if Kings doesn't collapse so they at least get 1 home game. After that it's a roll of the dice, or die.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 12, 2007, 07:12:34 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 12, 2007, 02:49:44 PM
Goucher. Oh wait, that's next year.
Goucher brings back memories because I used to frequent the campus in August when the Colts used their facility for training camp.
Fun stuff and it's an easy campus to find. I believe it's right off Joppa Road, only abut two miles from the Rt. 95 exit.

Dulaney Valley Road (or something like that) exist off of 695. Head south off the ramp and take the next left to get into campus.
Title: Re: Good Work CJ
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 13, 2007, 04:28:34 AM
Quote from: BJ - DSU SID on February 12, 2007, 11:51:31 AM
ColonelJohn you are correct. 
I never tire of such messages.  BJ, you're giving the DeSales fans a good name. 

Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 12, 2007, 01:33:06 PM
Okay Royal Fans....who would you like to see in the first round?
I dunno, depends on who takes the invites to ECAC... but again, the question isn't "who", it is "where".  Go FDU! And again, Lycoming and DeSales, you know your jobs.  Take care of business.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on February 13, 2007, 09:24:27 AM
Cold Case:  Excellent read about the true Colts.  Johnny U by Tom Callahan.  Artie, Gino, Lenny, The Horse, Raymond and the rest of the gang.  What a cast of characters !
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 13, 2007, 09:31:09 AM
ljk,
If I told you I had that book in my hands yesterday at Barnes and Noble, would you believe me?
Problem is, I didn't bring enough cash and left my plastic at home. Yes, I plan to purchase it. Looks good. The other problem is that I bought close to $300 on Colts SB memorabilia but I'll fit Johnny U in the budget.
The NFL Network had a one hour piece on the 1970 Colts and had interviews with Bubba, Mike Curtis and Bill Curry. Great watch and some really funny stuff.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 13, 2007, 09:53:33 AM
Bill Curry?  Didn't he used to coach at Berwick?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 13, 2007, 11:25:27 AM
Sounds like tonight's games are all PPD Due to Snow.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 13, 2007, 01:09:38 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 13, 2007, 09:53:33 AM
Bill Curry?  Didn't he used to coach at Berwick?


WHO??!??!?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on February 13, 2007, 01:46:38 PM
Nepa

I know this doesn't affect the PA schools, but I think we're going to get in the "last ever FDU-Drew" meeting tonight!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bziadie on February 13, 2007, 02:14:57 PM
The King's - Wilkes games are still on............
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: loyalroyal on February 13, 2007, 07:35:54 PM
...Tonight's Freedom Conference men's and women's basketball games between Scranton and Lycoming College at the Lamade Gymnasium in Williamsport have been postponed until Thursday, February 15, due to the impending snowstorm that is expected to hit Pennsylvania this afternoon and into Wednesday.

Tip-off times for Thursday's games have yet to be determined.

Taken directly from the press release that was released by the Universiy of Scranton today.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 13, 2007, 08:28:49 PM
Pat,
If that story in today's NY Times is accurate, will you be running Division IV and V boards as well?
I'm curious.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/13/sports/othersports/13ncaa.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&ref=sports
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 13, 2007, 09:27:00 PM
The message boards aren't the issue -- what will I be running Web sites for?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 13, 2007, 09:38:54 PM
CC: Great article...scarry option. I certainly tend to agree with the acting AD at Williams...diversity can be a good thing among current D-III institutions. Although enrollments, endowments & admissions may vary wildly...seeing Williams knock off a school like Wisc.St.Pt. or a Cortland or SUNY Buffalo with 7,000 students is a great thing.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: loyalroyal on February 13, 2007, 09:48:20 PM
Wilkes 66
King's 58

The race for the top spot in the Freedom Conferenc just got a WHOLE lot more interesting!  I never thought I'd say thi, but GO COLONELS!!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 13, 2007, 09:57:30 PM
Quoting myself...

Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on February 12, 2007, 12:17:19 AM
Leo - LOVE the prospects of King's clinching homecourt on Tuesday, and then benching their starters on Saturday.  Except for one detail.  They'd have to win at the Marts Center.

Heh heh heh.   ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 13, 2007, 10:18:06 PM
Colonel John,

Congratulations, this should be a nice win for your boys to take with them in the offseason.  Wilkes outplayed King's in every way in the second half, and thus they deserve a tip of my cap.  A great performance out of Kresge tonight.

That said, the Jekyl and Hyde season of King's continues, losing another game to a team they shouldn't have lost to.  Everything is really simple now, if the Monarchs win on Saturday they are the one, if they lose, they could be the three.  Hope the good King's team shows up next week.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 14, 2007, 12:51:47 AM
Leo,

"losing another game to a team they shouldn't have lost to".........lol

Maybe u should think of it this way:

Kings won 16 games this year against teams that they had no business beating....lol.

Or ponder this: .....Kings  may not win another game this season!!!   FDU on tap Sat. and a 1st round elimination in the Freedom playoffs......
If that happens,  they will probably be quaffing some of that Bitter Beer at Senunas.
And Colonel John will be buying.....


Anyway, despite 5 travel calls against Wilkes in the 1st half and despite shooting more ft's and despite shooting 50% from 3 pt land.....Kings still lost.

Reason why?

Wilkes played a full game and were better. When Wilkes switched to man to man and threw in the 1-3-1 towel, Kings, as Sir James has noted (pay attention COY candidate Danzig...ha ha),  did not handle the pressure well. Cousart was forcing plays all night with 2 offensive fouls. Scalzo looked frustrated.
Sobo got nothing done. Ditto Kofi.  JW could not get a shot off.
I thought the Nensteils played extremely well and was surprised Ryan was on the bench in the waning minutes. (he had a hot hand---his 3pt shot had range and he was able to drive for scores as well). Have to say that Vince S continues to impress with overall play on both ends of the court.

As for Wilkes, senior Dan Adams put in a very solid effort.   
Chris Gulla played a very effiecient game. Excellent judgement, ballhandling and some timely shotmaking.
Kline played hard and with determination. Ditto De Feo
Gould made some plays and had his customary defensive presence.
Kable hit 2 shots...both were huge.
As for Kresge, well....he left no doubt as to why so many teams  considered  him a prize recruit.
He rebounded and was a presence inside and outside.  Probably his best performance.

And finally, kudos to Coach JR who has kept this crew together.
Wilkes has played hard in every game and finally
got a combination of ball movement and timely shooting.

Looking to end on a high note Sat. and a winning record.....

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 14, 2007, 01:28:55 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 13, 2007, 09:53:33 AM
Bill Curry?  Didn't he used to coach at Berwick?
Hilarious...

Anyway, King's fans, fear not.  I believe you're still locked in at, at least, the 2 seed.  Assuming FDU wins out including at Scandlon on Saturday, there are 2 relevant scenarios:
a.) Scranton wins both: Scranton gets the 1 at 11-3.  King's and FDU tie at 10-4.  1st tie-breaker is head-to-head, which will have been a split.  2nd tie-breaker is record against the #1 team (Scranton), where King's was 2-0.  King's gets the 2 seed, and would host FDU in consecutive games.
b.) Scranton splits: Three way tie at 10-4.  Tie-breaker is head-to-head among teams tied.  King's will have been 3-1, FDU will have been 2-2, Scranton is 1-3.  Noting use of the future perfect tense, King's still gets the 1 seed despite closing with two straight losses, and Scranton has to travel to Jersey.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 14, 2007, 07:07:52 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on February 14, 2007, 01:28:55 AMNoting use of the future perfect tense, King's still gets the 1 seed despite closing with two straight losses, and Scranton has to travel to Jersey.

CJ, where will you be travelling next week?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 14, 2007, 09:11:24 AM
Thank you to Wilkes....GO FDU.



How bout a 40 minute effort Royals next time you face Kings?



As far as the D3/D4 debate I would love to hear some of the SID's opinions...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 14, 2007, 09:24:10 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on February 14, 2007, 01:28:55 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 13, 2007, 09:53:33 AM
Bill Curry?  Didn't he used to coach at Berwick?
Hilarious...

CJ,
Thanks for appreciating the Curry reference as only a true local-yokel would.

I should've quoted CC in my original post to alleviate any confusion.

Lefty
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 14, 2007, 09:35:50 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 14, 2007, 09:24:10 AMCJ, Thanks for appreciating the Curry reference as only a true local-yokel would. I should've quoted CC in my original post to alleviate any confusion.
Lefty

Now that's a good zinger by the lefthander.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on February 14, 2007, 09:36:34 AM
Big win for the Colonels with league Rookie of the Year, Tom Kresge,  leading the way.  The win gives Coach JR a chance to keep his streak going of winning seasons for the Colonels in his tenure at Wilkes.  Wilkes (11-11, 0-3) has Drew at home in the season finale on Saturday.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on February 14, 2007, 09:37:59 AM
Make that 3-10  in conference for the Colonels.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 14, 2007, 09:40:05 AM
Nothing like a monumental Wilkes upset to bring out the posting faithful.  ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on February 14, 2007, 10:38:54 AM
NEPA:  It wasn't monumental, but it was a very nice win.  It's been a long year for the faithful posters, and it might have jumbled up the conference seedings which is always a good thing.   
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 14, 2007, 11:08:14 AM
I always thought when a 2-10 knocks off a 10-2, it's a major upset.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 14, 2007, 11:25:05 AM
Quote from: cold_case on February 14, 2007, 07:07:52 AM
CJ, where will you be travelling next week?

That's just "cold"... ouch. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 14, 2007, 11:37:32 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on February 14, 2007, 11:25:05 AM
Quote from: cold_case on February 14, 2007, 07:07:52 AM
CJ, where will you be travelling next week?

That's just "cold"... ouch. 


I know you have a Scranton sweatshirt in the back of your closet....I settle for you rooting for FDU on Saturday!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chargers on February 14, 2007, 01:43:33 PM
no mention of Gabriel (Wilkes) how did he play? Did John Kelly play?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 14, 2007, 05:45:06 PM
John Kelly dnp from what I remember.
Colonels started TK at 2 and Gabe, Adams, Kline up front.

Gabe played point on the 1-3-1 zone with MG chasing.
Wilkes changed up a few times but ended with mostly man.

Gabe played hard...he always does.
He didn't make an impact in the scoring column ....

I'd call his game "quiet" last nite.
Tom K was making a whole lot of noise. He was hitting from all sides... a wide assortment of shots....3's, short jumpers, turnarounds, spins ......

As to JK, very talented...but he down't play with confidence imho. He seems to think too much and not rely on his instincts.....the hesitation has resulted in a lot of unnecessary to's. ( A good example was the Clarkson game early season when he hestiated on a breakaway slam dunk and missed the shot altogether) . It's my understanding that JK hasn't played that much 'organized' ball in the past.....He needs to just play basketball.....and stay disciplined. No doubt, he has the talent to play at this level.
Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ronk on February 14, 2007, 09:14:53 PM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on February 14, 2007, 01:28:55 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 13, 2007, 09:53:33 AM
Bill Curry?  Didn't he used to coach at Berwick?
Hilarious...

Anyway, King's fans, fear not.  I believe you're still locked in at, at least, the 2 seed.  Assuming FDU wins out including at Scandlon on Saturday, there are 2 relevant scenarios:
a.) Scranton wins both: Scranton gets the 1 at 11-3.  King's and FDU tie at 10-4.  1st tie-breaker is head-to-head, which will have been a split.  2nd tie-breaker is record against the #1 team (Scranton), where King's was 2-0.  King's gets the 2 seed, and would host FDU in consecutive games.
b.) Scranton splits: Three way tie at 10-4.  Tie-breaker is head-to-head among teams tied.  King's will have been 3-1, FDU will have been 2-2, Scranton is 1-3.  Noting use of the future perfect tense, King's still gets the 1 seed despite closing with two straight losses, and Scranton has to travel to Jersey.

CJ,
    What if Scranton loses both and Desales wins both; then we have Kings/FDU tied for 1st and Scranton/Desales tied for 3rd.

BJ - DSU SID,
   What's that #2 tiebreaker; does anybody play a 3rd(nonconference) game against each other?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 14, 2007, 11:17:58 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 14, 2007, 11:37:32 AM
I know you have a Scranton sweatshirt in the back of your closet....I settle for you rooting for FDU on Saturday!

NEPA, I'm riding shotgun on the FDU bandwagon this week.  Another W tonight.  I love it.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 14, 2007, 11:35:58 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 14, 2007, 09:14:53 PM
CJ,
    What if Scranton loses both and Desales wins both; then we have Kings/FDU tied for 1st and Scranton/Desales tied for 3rd.

BJ - DSU SID,
   What's that #2 tiebreaker; does anybody play a 3rd(nonconference) game against each other?

Ronk,
In that scenario, King's hangs on to the #1 seed.  Kings and FDU will have split, no mythical "3rd game", both split with DeSales, and King's has the better record against Scranton (2-0 vs. 1-1).
Also, DeSales would get the #3 seed.  DeSales and Scranton would have split head-to-head, not have played non-conference, both split with FDU, DeSales gets the nod by virtue of better record vs. Kings (1-1 vs 0-2).

And off the top of my head, pre-season events like the old Laurel Line tourney would have seen non-conference matches of Freedom opponents... but they haven't played that in like a decade.  Just putting it out there.
Title: What If......
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 14, 2007, 11:46:38 PM
Ronk - I just literally spent the last 30 minutes of my night breaking this situation down.  It is literally so complicated that it would come down to the score of the FDU/King's game on Saturday.  If point differential were happen to be the same as their first meeting (3 points), we are looking at complete CHAOS!!! So pray this does not happen.

Rather than post this entire scenario, I am just gonna keep it under my hat and worry about it later, if in fact this scenario plays out.

But for everyone's sake I really hope it doesn't.  Cause it will be UGLY!!!
Title: Warning CJ4Life
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 14, 2007, 11:50:49 PM
CJ4Life

Be careful...I am not sure are right on this one.  Make sure your reading the fine print in the MAC Fact Book in regards to tiebreaking procedures.

If your unsure what I am talking about, email me and I'll explain.  My email is on the DSU site as I am sure you are well aware.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: loyalroyal on February 15, 2007, 05:55:39 AM
According to the MAC Fact Book, this is the order of the tiebreakers for two teams that are tied at the end of the regular season

1.) Head-to-Head record of tied teams in traditional season conference contests
2.) Head-to-Head record of tied teams in traditional season contests
(I know it looks like I repeated myself, but that is what it says)

3.) Tied teams win loss record starting with the #1 team, then #2 and so on
4.) Winning Percentage of away conference games

So all the scenarios are:
Kings and Scranton tie - Kings wins due to 2-0 record against Scranton
Kings and FDU tie - Kings wins due to 2-0 record against Scranton
Kings, FDU and Scranton tie - Kings wins with a combined 3-1 record against FDU and Scranton, FDU gets #2 with a 2-2 record and Scranton gets number 3 with a 1-3 record.
Scranton and FDU tie - FDU wins with a better record against Kings
Scranton and DeSales tie - DeSales wins due to a better record against Kings
DeSales and FDU tie - FDU wins with a better record against Drew (records amongst all other conference opponents are equal).

Those are all the scenarios I can think of.  If you want to read the official rules on tie-breakers, go to http://www.mascac.org/Fact%20Book/Executive.pdf

GO ROYALS!!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 15, 2007, 09:15:37 AM
Is the Scranton at Lyco game still on for tonight? No mention of it or the time.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 15, 2007, 10:36:33 AM
Quote from: cold_case on February 15, 2007, 09:15:37 AM
Is the Scranton at Lyco game still on for tonight? No mention of it or the time.



BASKETBALL vs. SCRANTON TONIGHT!!
(dress for a "white out")
6:00 & 8:00 p.m.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bziadie on February 15, 2007, 02:37:40 PM
BJ:

You spend enough time in the office.....take a night off buddy.

Call/explanation of the night in the King's-Wilke game....Kresge stps out for a three-pointer maybe a foot or so behind the three-point line.  Cousart runs toward him but out to the side, not directly at him.  Cousart maybe gets a fingertip at most on the ball as the shooters hand is behind the ball and his hand is coming towards the front of the ball. Airball just a tad short of the rim........No body contact at all.  Foul called all three shots made. Cousart picks up his fourth foul and goes to the bench with just under 14 minutes left in the game.

JP asks for an explanation and wants to know where the contact was.  Referee says......."That kid (Kresge) never come up short on his shots."   

J.P. laughs out loud and says......"Never? He has never once come up sort on a shot."   Priceless.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 15, 2007, 05:17:51 PM
I patiently await the Wilkes fans response to Zades post.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 15, 2007, 05:48:10 PM
Right because one foul makes a game..........
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 15, 2007, 06:05:52 PM
I don't think I've seen a situation where Scranton has the potential to be a 1 seed, a 2 seed, a 3 seed or a 4 based on the last two games of the season & also dependent on what 3 other teams are doing in quite some time. I realize there have been situations where how a  particular team finishes is directly related to where they're seeded...but, all 4 seeds a distinct possibility...I don't think that's happened in a while. Lyco is usually tough at home & in these spoiler situations they can be murder.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 15, 2007, 06:49:57 PM
In response to Bob's post,

I don't like to talk about the refs after a loss, that seems soooo.... Scranton-esque.  As for the call in question, it seemed like a bad call.  In fact there were only two calls in the game that I thought were really bad.  I'll be the first one to say that King's should look into the mirror before blaming the refs.  However, if you believe in the fallacy of predetermined outcomes...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ronk on February 15, 2007, 07:42:29 PM
One more scenario:
   Desales, Scranton, FDU tie at 9-5
   DEsales gets 2nd;don't know who's 3rd, but at least no trip to jersey
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 15, 2007, 07:49:01 PM
QuoteAnd off the top of my head, pre-season events like the old Laurel Line tourney would have seen non-conference matches of Freedom opponents... but they haven't played that in like a decade.  Just putting it out there.

CJ,

While Freedom League teams no longer participate in the Laurel Line, the Tournament is alive and well at Misericordia (the only team to play in every edition).
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ronk on February 15, 2007, 09:41:29 PM
  Royals win 65-58; delete last scenario.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 15, 2007, 09:48:39 PM
Quote from: Leo The Lion on February 15, 2007, 06:49:57 PMI don't like to talk about the refs after a loss, that seems soooo.... Scranton-esque.

Leo, I notice Scranton fans come on here when their team loses. You couldn't be found on this board after the Delaware Valley loss. Where were you? Out of town? Computer crashed?
One thing I did notice was that you were the first to post after King's won at Scranton with your WOW, WOW WOW'S.
You're a great sportsman.
Title: Playoff Matrix
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 16, 2007, 12:20:15 AM
Well the dust has settled and we are down to one Saturday with a full slate of games to find out who plays who, etc...

Here is the updated matrix before I start:
http://athletics.desales.edu/Pdfs/mbball/2007/2/6/HoopsMatrixM.pdf?path=mbball

What we do know:
- The four playoff teams are King's, Scranton, FDU-Florham and DeSales and that's pretty much it.

What we need to find out:
#1 seed
- King's gets it with a win over FDU-Florham on Saturday.
- Scranton gets it with a win over DeSales and a King's loss on Saturday.
- if King's, FDU-Florham and Scranton all finish at 10-4 (meaning a King's and Scranton loss on Saturday), then the seeding will be #1 (King's), #2 (FDU-Florham), #3 (Scranton), #4 DeSales.

#2 seed
- Scranton gets it with a win and a King's win.  They'd be #1 with a win and a King's Loss.
- FDU gets it with a win and a Scranton Loss.
- King's gets it with a loss and a Scranton Win.

#3 seed
- Scranton's if the above scenario of King's, Scranton and FDU all finishing at 10-4.
- FDU's with a win and a Scranton win.
- DeSales gets it with a win and a King's win.

#4 seed
- Its either DeSales or FDU-Florham.  DSU gets it with a loss.  FDU gets it with a loss and DeSales win.

Basically there are lots of scenarios still out there as far as seeding goes.  Its late, I am tired and I am sure I missed something.  I either forgot one or I did my math wrong.  So don't read this as the LAW on Freedom tiebreaking.  If someone sees a possible mistake, bring it up and I'll try to verify it tomorrow in between my Friday workload.

Enjoy the next few month or so.  We got basketball playoffs coming, March Madness just around the corner and we top it all off with the Masters in early April.  I sure wish my local cable company could get me HD.  I might never leave the recliner if that was the case.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 16, 2007, 01:33:37 AM
Oh Cold Case,

Where do I start?  First off, I did post briefly after the DelVal loss.  What should I have said other than it was a fustrating loss.  And for the Scranton win, you saw the second half of the game how else would you have liked me to start that post.  Please, I'm open for suggestions on how to be a better poster.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 16, 2007, 01:45:53 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 15, 2007, 05:48:10 PM
Right because one foul makes a game..........

I cite one exception to that rule, King's at Wilkes, 2001.  Worst-officiated game in the history of basketball.  However, in the end, Wilkes was still only down two, 72-70.  Jannuzzi lines up for the game winning three as time expires, and gets attacked by three Monarchs, and the shot rims out.  Putting a 90% shooter on the line for 3 would have made the difference.

BJ - your work has been exceptional.  Good job.

Lefty - did not know that about the Laurel Line... thanks.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 16, 2007, 02:01:06 AM
QuoteLefty - did not know that about the Laurel Line... thanks.
CJ,
Stop by the Anderson Center next November - the Laurel Line is the season opener.  Have a "Cougar Dog" on me.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 16, 2007, 08:00:18 AM
Quote from: Leo The Lion on February 16, 2007, 01:33:37 AM
Oh Cold Case,

Where do I start?  First off, I did post briefly after the DelVal loss.  What should I have said other than it was a fustrating loss.  And for the Scranton win, you saw the second half of the game how else would you have liked me to start that post.  Please, I'm open for suggestions on how to be a better poster.

Obviously reading comprehension is not your forte.' How you write your posts are your business. The gist of my post was based on your availability regarding wins and losses. I hinted that your timing is impeccable when it comes to those outcomes, that's all.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 16, 2007, 09:19:37 AM
Good win for the Royals on the road, even though the let Lycoming crawl back into the game. From the sound of the game it was very physical and there were about 200 people in the building.  Now a bigger test vs. Desales on the road....should be a very interesting Saturday.

Congrats to the voice of the royals who is getting married........rumor is it will be at halftime of the first home game next year  ;D




And LEO, what gives with the shot on the Royals whining about foul calls?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 16, 2007, 10:28:24 AM
NepaFan

The shot on the Royals whining about fouls comes from two of their losses this year.  "The worst officiated game in the world" at FDU this year and the much smaller uproar about the "obvious no call" at the end of the King's @ Scranton game.

CC,
I was on here Tuesday night after the Wilkes loss, unlike the DelVal loss, where it is difficult to comment after a game you didn't see.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 16, 2007, 11:06:10 AM
Quote from: Leo The Lion on February 16, 2007, 10:28:24 AM
NepaFan

The shot on the Royals whining about fouls comes from two of their losses this year.  "The worst officiated game in the world" at FDU this year and the much smaller uproar about the "obvious no call" at the end of the King's @ Scranton game.

CC,
I was on here Tuesday night after the Wilkes loss, unlike the DelVal loss, where it is difficult to comment after a game you didn't see.


Leo did you see the FDU game....did you see the difference in FT between the two teams?

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 16, 2007, 11:46:50 AM
Leo: Let's start with the Kings game first. Please refer to my post the evening of the game, 1-31-07 @ 11:30pm. I state, "some missed free-throws by Kings gave the Royals 1 more chance & their last 3 by Randy Arnold fell short, although it really looked like he was hit on the release...no foul called. HOWEVER, the Royals certainly DID NOT lose the game on that no-call". A comment from a very NEUTRAL observer...none other than Mr.Naismith stated, "the no-call was ridiculous (happened right in front of me)". Now to my post where I did say the Scranton vs.FDU game WAS the WORST officiated game I have personally seen in 10 years. That comment was not made just for the sake of making excuses for the Royals...even in that game they had their chances to pull out a win in the closing minutes, rather...that statement was based on one very large & looming fact...FDU shot 40 free-throws, the Royals had 9 charity shots. You do the math. One more thing...when the Royals lost their first game with Kings, or the game with Catholic or their game with Susquehanna...there was not one single complaint by any Scranton fan about the officiating...the Royals lost, end of story. When the Royals played at Drew earlier this season I personally commented on how good those Jersey refs were...so it does go both ways...but, pathetic is pathetic & if you consider those two games & the few comments made as "whining" let's see the Royals play Kings for the title & let Scranton shoot 40 free-throws to your 9 & tell me what you think then.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Loyal One on February 16, 2007, 02:32:54 PM
Well said Toga.  Looking forward to wrapping up the conference play and moving on to the first round!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 16, 2007, 03:03:08 PM
'toga has a fan club?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bziadie on February 16, 2007, 04:35:59 PM
NEPA,

I never said anywhere in that post that that call decided the game. Just said it was a bad call and the respone by the official was comical.  If I would have meant to say the call would have cost the game I would have said it........

Fact is King's was outworked by Wilkes that night and for any King's player to think they did enough to win that game would be a total lack of accountability.

Toga, did your neutral observer say anything about what happened moments before that play?  The part where Hawk rebounded the last missed King's shot and proceeded to call timeout  when Scranton did not have any left - ala Chris Webber.  The game official was standing 15 feet away, was looking right at the play, and did not have the stones to make the call since it was a close game.  Should have been a "tech" and that mad scramble and subsequent shot never takes place. 

We all see bad calls or non calls, it is an unfortunate part of the game.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 16, 2007, 04:59:40 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 16, 2007, 03:03:08 PM
'toga has a fan club?

You'd be surprised what they wear. :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 16, 2007, 05:06:09 PM
Quote from: bziadie on February 16, 2007, 04:35:59 PM
NEPA,

I never said anywhere in that post that that call decided the game. Just said it was a bad call and the respone by the official was comical.  If I would have meant to say the call would have cost the game I would have said it........

Toga, did your neutral observer say anything about what happened moments before that play?  The part where Hawk rebounded the last missed King's shot and proceeded to call timeout  when Scranton did not have any left - ala Chris Webber.  The game official was standing 15 feet away, was looking right at the play, and did not have the stones to make the call since it was a close game.  Should have been a "tech" and that mad scramble and subsequent shot never takes place. 


Okay you want to rip on the refs in the position you hold, fine by me but you should probably take a lesson from BJ and stick to matrices (matrixes) whatever.. ;D


I doubt Hawk called timeout or we would have heard about it earlier then now.  Speaking of Hawk, he is due for a big game..
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 16, 2007, 07:44:20 PM
Ok all, I'm done with this refs argument.  My point is, I don't like blaming bad officiating as an excuse, no matter how blatant the error may be.  I was simply referring to Bob's first post that although the call on The Cous was terrible, its not THE reason King's lost that game.

NepaFan,
You may not care about my opinion on the King's/Scranton game, but in my infamous "Wow Wow Wow Wow" post, I did comment on a missed techincal foul.  From my vantage point, Hawk was blatently calling for a time out.  No official called it, while Hawk was standing there, the ball was ripped out of his hands and the scrum then occured.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 16, 2007, 08:25:16 PM
Quote from: Leo The Lion on February 16, 2007, 07:44:20 PMFrom my vantage point, Hawk was blatently calling for a time out.  No official called it, while Hawk was standing there, the ball was ripped out of his hands and the scrum then occured.

I expected no less of a post. :-X
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 16, 2007, 08:33:21 PM
 CC,

I've been meaning to compliment you on your outstanding photo of the Wyoming Monument.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 16, 2007, 08:51:26 PM
Ya know, lefty, I was waiting for somebody to notice the poster who called it that. Good pickup. ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 16, 2007, 08:53:07 PM
It's right down the street.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 16, 2007, 10:15:42 PM
Hey gang,

Let's address this one game at a time:

1) Scranton-- Kings: my reference to a foul was when Hawk got mugged after retrieving a rebound of a Kings miss. (I don't recall who shot the ball for Kings but it was stupid decision) On that play, 3 kings players hit him. He never signalled time out imho. It was directly in front of me. I know I would have seen a to call.  He actuall had  both hands on the ball until the Kings Chiropractors mangled his back. I was further away for the Arnold shot. Could not say either way.
Game, overall, was pretty well called.

2) Wilkes --Kings:  if anything, the game was called with bias towards Kings (that old timer never gives Wilkes a call) ---Wilkes had 5 1st half travels called against mostly a packed in 2-3 zone. (when Kable entered Kings went man to man immediately) . Kings players walked at least 4 to 5 times and those were not called.
I recall Cousart being pretty upset on the Kresge foul...you could read his lips , "I didn't touch him" ...
I didn't have a good view. I think Gulla drove and kicked out a nice pass to TK at top of the key. Cousart closed out and jumped at TK.....actually going past hm (if you can visualize that). Contact? I don't know.
Again, overall, the game was called ok.

3) FDU-Scranton,,,,the ft totals speak for themselves....someone should research if any Freedom team ever shot more ft's than FDU when visiting their Jersey lair.

Enough for now on the zebras.

CC, I've go to adopt a team after tomorrow.
Make the case for Scranton....

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on February 16, 2007, 10:38:31 PM
Guys
As the lone New Jersey voice here, we're always going to see things differently about officials. We happen to think we get the short end of the stick in N.E. PA, just as you believe you do when you visit NJ. Remember though, you only have to come to NJ once (after this year), while we go to PA for every other conference game...
Anyhow, the  crux of this post is for Naismith. You asked "someone should research if any Freedom team ever shot more ft's than FDU when visiting their Jersey lair"
Well, it happens quite often.
This year alone, using only MAC Freedom teams, FDU was out "attempted"by:
1/30 - vs.Del Val, 19-11
1/20 - vs. Kings, 29-19
1/10 - vs. DeSales, 18-11

It's really not as bad as some might think....
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 16, 2007, 10:45:48 PM
Hey, thanks Bill.
That is interesting....
Were you at the Scranton game? 
If so, what was your impression?

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 16, 2007, 11:02:21 PM
Hey CC & Lefty,

It should be noted that Wyoming Monument stands proudly as a remembrance to a massacre....

No No CC it was not Old Forge vs Dunmore or even  Scranton vs Wilkes....lol...It was the Senecas and some Brits beting the hell out of a bunch of farmers in 1778. The battle survivors were massacred by the Indians.  (they claimed the settlers had broken a treaty that would have allowed a casino ).





Teddy Roosevelt attended the initial dedication and his grandson returned 100 years later.

Yes, that is a nice view of that Luzerne County landmark!!

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on February 16, 2007, 11:10:11 PM
Naismith

I'm sorry, I don't do impressions :D
(As a big "airplane" fan, I've been waiting to use that line for some time!)

Unfortunately, I was not able to attend the game. As the father of 2 youngsters, many of the weekend games are too tough for me to drive almost an hour from home to attend...I will be at the Wednesday playoff game though, be it on the road or at home!

Hopefully, the team will be able to get to Kings tomorrow safely. All reports from NJ make various PA highways resemble war zones!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 17, 2007, 12:24:31 AM
Quote from: naismith on February 16, 2007, 10:15:42 PM
I've go to adopt a team after tomorrow.
Make the case for Scranton....

Naismith - I make the case for FDU.  Classic Underdog tale.  I'm certain no one expected FDU to make a run to the playoffs.  It would be the stuff of legends if they cut down a net.

'Toga, CC, and Lefty - If you use some contacts at the University of Scranton, a student in 1994(?) did a weekly TV show called "On the Road with Pete".  One of the episodes did a piece on the Wyoming Monument and Queen Esther's Rock.  Well worth a look, if you can find a tape.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 17, 2007, 01:15:47 PM
Oh my GOD, you're not going to belive this.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on February 17, 2007, 03:58:52 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 17, 2007, 01:15:47 PM
Oh my GOD, you're not going to belive this.


College of Charleston transfer??!?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on February 17, 2007, 05:15:43 PM
Way to go Royals. Blow an 18 point first half lead to lose at Desales.



Gut check time for playoff week. When is the last time this team had a gutty win?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 17, 2007, 05:16:26 PM
DeSales beats Scranton???
Kings thumps FDU
Wilkes dumps Drew

So, if I have it right....
DeSales at Kings
FDU at Scranton
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 17, 2007, 05:17:28 PM
Hey, CC...yes I know it was u that did that tape.....
Could you autogrpah a copy for m,e please??

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: loyalroyal on February 17, 2007, 05:30:25 PM
Actually, I think the playoff picture sets out like this:

#3 DeSales at #2 Scranton
#4 FDU at #1 King's

The reason DeSales is number 3 is because since FDU and DeSales have the same record, and since the head-to-head is a wash with each having a win and a loss against the other, it goes to the top of the conference.  FDU went 0-2 against King's while DeSales went 1-1 against King's.  Thus, DeSales is number 3 and FDU is number 4.

Congratulations to King's on getting the #1 seed.  With the caliber of play with the teams this year, getting to #1 was no easy feat.  So my hat goes off to them.

Now with the playoff picture listed above.  Does anyone have any predictions?  Before this past week, I would be pretty confident with my picks, but with the seemingly unpredictability of the games (especially in the last week), I don't even know where to begin.  I think Scranton being in the Long Center will give them a boost against DeSales, and with the way King's handled FDU today, FDU needs a gut check, or there will be a repeat on Wednesday.  How awesome would a Scranton at King's championship be?

But now, every game for the Royals could be their last in the Freedom Conference.  *sings thanks for the memories*
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on February 17, 2007, 05:38:30 PM
Quote from: loyalroyal on February 17, 2007, 05:30:25 PM
  How awesome would a Scranton at King's championship be?

But now, every game for the Royals could be their last in the Freedom Conference.  *sings thanks for the memories*


Loyal, what gives you any reason to want another matchup with Kings...? Third times a charm?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 17, 2007, 05:40:58 PM
Not trying to be too "homey".....

but think of this:  Wilkes alum Macedo coaches Va. Wes ranked #2 on D3 and defending champs)  and Wilkes grad Bo Ryan may have #1 ranking with Wisconsin after #1 after Fla. went down vs. Commodores today.

Wilkes a breeding ground for hoop coaches...never woulda thunk that in my day...lol

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 17, 2007, 05:45:08 PM
Section J,

Why not?
Both games went down to the wire.
If COY candidate Danzig can figure out what Coach JR of Wilkes already knows about Kings,
he just turn the tables this time around.




Hey LR, better call the DeSales announcers on Service Elec. because they are planning a trip to Kings College according to their broadcast....lol
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on February 17, 2007, 05:47:05 PM
Quote from: naismith on February 17, 2007, 05:45:08 PM
Section J,

Why not?
Both games went down to the wire.
If COY candidate Danzig can figure out what Coach JR of Wilkes already knows about Kings,
he just turn the tables this time around.




Hey LR, better call the DeSales announcers on Service Elec. because they are planning a trip to Kings College according to their broadcast....lol


Sorry Naismith maybe today's result has "shaken" my confidence.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 17, 2007, 05:57:14 PM
Nais, it was NEPAFAN that put that tape together. If you're nice, I'll have him sign it for you. :)

So Scranton backs into the No. 2 seed, despite being BADLY OUTCOACHED in the second half, (wow, wow, wow). This team is soft and has no bangers whatsoever. They also shrivel up like a grape in the blazing sun when adversity strikes (they blew an 18-point lead).
I thought Scranton picked up two new players for the game, Bia and Fitz. It took me nearly a half to figure out who the announcer was referring to and that was when the color analyst allowed him to speak. That guy undercuts him way too much. 
As for this D-III breakup, I'm all for it. Higher-learing institutions wanting to segregate themselves from schools that put athletic's first is a good thing. Heck, they've already formed new conference alliances so why not breakup the division.
With Scranton making a move to the Landmark, it will be refreshing not hearing their opponents trotting out players from high school academic havens like Engieneering & Science, Harry S. Truman and others.
By the way, a very solid source says King's is destined for the Landmark as well.
Leo the Lion should be rolling in shortly, King's won today. WOW, wow, wow. Sounds like Chiachi Arcola. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 17, 2007, 06:13:26 PM
Wow Wow Wow Wow

An unbelievable, monumental, awseome win for King's today...


In all serious, King's played pretty well.  Soboleski had his best effort on the year.  The playoffs should be interesting as always.  Four teams who are for real.  Worried about playing FDU on back to back games though. 

CC,
Dropping atomic bombs worth of rumors there, would not suprised me if King's bails on the sinking MAC ship.  Either way, conference affiliations have no effect on me.  However, I am curious, when does your source believe King's will enter the Landmark?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 17, 2007, 06:54:27 PM
CC: I think you may have nailed the current descriptive on the Royals. Bottom line...they just don't finish the big games. Just when I think they've grown up & turned the corner, another melt-down strikes. Three of their losses they've started out horrible (Kings#2, Susq. & Cath.) & three they've faded (Kings#1, @FDU &@Desales). Until they play 40 minutes of basketball...this is the stuff that will continue to haunt them. Leo: As to when Kings will gain admission...The 1st. of NEVER.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on February 17, 2007, 09:50:34 PM
Tension was running high at the Marts Center today as Wilkes took on Drew U to see if Coach JR could avoid his first losing season and the most losses in a season in his career.   Truth be told, not much tension, but Wilkes did win, and even the President of the school  gave Coach JR a hug after the game, so I guess it mattered to some people.   Rumor has it that Wilkes is zeroing on the best point guard in the Wyoming Valley Conference for next year.   Naismith, Col,. have you heard anything on that?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bziadie on February 17, 2007, 09:55:25 PM
Cold Case, you need a new source.....

When the King's president makes a committment, he sticks to it......
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: loyalroyal on February 17, 2007, 10:28:13 PM
Quote from: Section J Guy on February 17, 2007, 05:38:30 PM
Quote from: loyalroyal on February 17, 2007, 05:30:25 PM
  How awesome would a Scranton at King's championship be?

But now, every game for the Royals could be their last in the Freedom Conference.  *sings thanks for the memories*


Loyal, what gives you any reason to want another matchup with Kings...? Third times a charm?

Section J, I admit, the depth and ability of King's does scare me against any team in the Freedom Conference Tournament.  And while I am rooting for the Royals more than anyone, I enjoy a well-played game between two excellent institutions in that true ability will determine the winner.  I think with the four teams, you will have that, and whomever wins this conference will not be a fluke.

Also Section J keep in mind one fact.  During the 2004-05 season, Scranton swept the regular season series with King's but ended up getting ousted by King's in the Freedom Conference Semis.  In fact, the two regular season matches, the game at King's was decided by 3 points and the game at Scranton was decided by 10 points.  The playoff was decided by a mere 6 points.  This season, the games were decided by 6 at King's and 3 at Scranton.  And like Naismith said, if Coach Danzig can figure out King's achilles heel like Wilkes did, maybe the third time WILL be the charm.

Besides, like I said, how awesome would it be for Scranton's last Freedom Conference match-up to be against one of their I-81 rivals.  Good luck to all the teams in the postseason.
Title: Playoffs
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 17, 2007, 11:05:02 PM
For those who have yet to figure it out, here is what we have:

Wednesday, February 21st
#4 FDU Florham @ #1 King's (8:00 pm)
#3 DeSales @ #2 Scranton (8:00 pm)

Quote from: cold_case on February 17, 2007, 05:57:14 PM
With Scranton making a move to the Landmark, it will be refreshing not hearing their opponents trotting out players from high school academic havens like Engieneering & Science, Harry S. Truman and others.

Normally I'd just shrug off inappropriate comments but this one really bothered me.  Cold Case you just summed up in one sentence the kind of person you are.  Someday you should spend some time educating yourself, you might learn something.  Thanks!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: loyalroyal on February 18, 2007, 12:41:54 AM
With the conference tournament coming up, I believe that the MAC Freedom will announce its 1st and 2nd all-conference teams as well as COY, rookie of the year, and player of the year.  I was just wondering what were everyone's thoughts on who will win what
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on February 18, 2007, 12:57:45 AM
Tom Kresge of Wilkes, Rookie of the Year, n/c!
Title: Re: Playoffs
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 18, 2007, 02:25:44 AM
Quote from: BJ - DSU SID on February 17, 2007, 11:05:02 PM
For those who have yet to figure it out, here is what we have:

Wednesday, February 21st
#4 FDU Florham @ #1 King's (8:00 pm)
#3 DeSales @ #2 Scranton (8:00 pm)

Quote from: cold_case on February 17, 2007, 05:57:14 PM
With Scranton making a move to the Landmark, it will be refreshing not hearing their opponents trotting out players from high school academic havens like Engieneering & Science, Harry S. Truman and others.

Normally I'd just shrug off inappropriate comments but this one really bothered me.  Cold Case you just summed up in one sentence the kind of person you are.  Someday you should spend some time educating yourself, you might learn something.  Thanks!!

BJ - Wow.  Nice one.  And, am I to assume that since these playoff games are scheduled for 8 PM that they're both part of guys - womens doubleheaders?

ROY race should be a layup.  Anyone who doesn't vote for Kresge shouldn't have a vote. 

Coach o' Year... I look at turnarounds.  JP took King's from a first-round exit to the #1 seed.  FDU went from laughing stock to a playoff game (at least).  Whaddya say we award Coach of the Year at Scandlon on Wednesday night?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 18, 2007, 09:58:13 AM
Not many rookies received a lot of playing time this year except at Wilkes.
FDU, Kings, Drew, Del Val, Scranton and De Sales used mostly upperclassmen (Scranton has 2 nice Freshman prospects that saw limited action). I missed Lyco this year.
I would say ROY was a battle between Gabe and Tom K. but Kresge asserted himself late season with terrific game against Kings and another big effort in the finale vs Drew.

COY:
Pre-playoff, I understand the sentiment for FDU but this was a senior laden team that played together for 4 years. And they finished 4th seed. Kings also has a veteran team comprised mostly of juniors. When they lost Brian Horgan 2 seasons ago, their fortunes slipped a bit last year capped by a first round elimiination from the playoffs. 2007, however, Coach JP has them back on top of the Freedom. Some probably look at losses to Delval and Wilkes and wonder......however......they were 11-3 conference with 2 wins over the #2 seed Scranton and 2 wins over #4 seed (and CJ's sentimental choice) FDU.

Therefore, Sir James casts his vote for the Scranton Scandlon Flash JP Senunas (I mean Andrejko).

As to player of the year:

My first team goes:

g-Arnold-------Scranton
g-Morris - -----Lycoming
c-Bicknell-------Scranton
f-Stricker ------DeSales
f-Scalzo  ------- Kings

Second Team:
g-Dwebeng-----Kings
g-Fitzpatrick----Scranton
f- Biagoli           Scranton
f- Schmidt-------FDU
c-Rimol-----------FDU

Honorable mentions:
Pinckney-- Delaware Valley, Kresge -Wilkes, Cousart- Kings, Emslie- FDU, Lopez- Drew, Sye- Lycoming, Braswell-DeSales


Player of the Year: Bicknell noses out Arnold
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 18, 2007, 11:49:26 AM
LoyalRoyal: You make a very good point regarding the situation a few years back when Scranton took the 2 regular season games from Kings, then lost the MAC Freedom championship to them in the 3rd. game. Remember though, that 3rd. game(playoff) was at Kings...so in this league that usually is a pretty important factor & should the Royals even get to that game...chances are very good it will once again be at Kings. That said, what would be more enjoyable than to see a Royal victory in what certainly may be a final visit to Kings unless some future NCAA playoff is held there? However, we are getting way ahead of ourselves as Scranton will once again have their hands full with Desales on Weds. evening. If they are even slightly looking ahead to a rematch with Kings...they won't be around to play again this season. The Royals MUST win on Wed's. and at least get to the finals or a promising season will have crashed with a few too many close decisions ending up on the wrong side of the ledger. Sir James: The picks look really good however, I think Isiah Pickney from DVC is a first teamer. The kid has hung in there & plays hard the whole game...great shooter, runs the floor, will try & crash the boards & has always played terrific against Scranton anyway. Congrats to all the kids that played for the love of the game, the coaches & best of luck to the 4 schools looking for one more game.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2007, 12:26:03 PM
Quote from: bziadie on February 17, 2007, 09:55:25 PM
Cold Case, you need a new source.....

When the King's president makes a committment, he sticks to it......

King's still has the same president that committed them to the MAC umpteen years ago? :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on February 18, 2007, 12:35:36 PM
I like Pinckney, Stricker, Emslie, Bicknell, and Arnold on the first team, with Scalzo as 6th man.  Player of the year, Arnold and Coach of the year, JP.  Kresge gets Rookie of the year with Braswell runner up.
Title: Playoff Games
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 18, 2007, 01:19:11 PM
Yes CJ4Life they are both doubleheaders with the women.

@ King's
DeSales vs. King's (6 pm)
FDU-Florham vs. King's (8 pm)

@ Scranton
Drew vs. Scranton (6 pm)
DeSales vs. Scranton (8 pm)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Section J Guy on February 18, 2007, 01:44:27 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 17, 2007, 06:54:27 PM
CC: I think you may have nailed the current descriptive on the Royals. Bottom line...they just don't finish the big games. Just when I think they've grown up & turned the corner, another melt-down strikes. Three of their losses they've started out horrible (Kings#2, Susq. & Cath.) & three they've faded (Kings#1, @FDU &@Desales). Until they play 40 minutes of basketball...this is the stuff that will continue to haunt them. Leo: As to when Kings will gain admission...The 1st. of NEVER.

Couldn't agree more. Now they will need back to back 40 minute games to repeat as Freedom champs.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 18, 2007, 02:33:23 PM
CC,

I'll take Bob Z's opinion over your source any day.

As for my fearless prediction,

Coach- Pete Marion (JP did a great job, but no one predicted this FDU run)
Rookie- Kresge

1st Team- Cousart, Emslie, Schmitt, Arnold, Bicknell
2nd Team- Scalzo, Pickney, Krickzky, Stricker, Sye, Dwebeng, and Fitzpatrick
(provided they overloas the second team again)

POY- Can't decide between Emslie, Bicknell, and Cousart
I say the late returns from Jersey give it to Emslie
Title: Re: Playoffs
Post by: cold_case on February 18, 2007, 03:01:33 PM
Quote from: BJ - DSU SID on February 17, 2007, 11:05:02 PM
Cold Case you just summed up in one sentence the kind of person you are.  Someday you should spend some time educating yourself, you might learn something.  Thanks!!

Yeah, I'm a honest person.
You can make it personal and insult me all you want but I'm not to blame for the future shakeup in D-III. HONESTLY, this breakup should have taken place a fews years ago.
This division stood for all that was good about college athletics and the true student/athlete, and while no school is as pure as the driven snow and may have bent a rule occassionally to get a prized player, it seems to be the constant norm at too many other schools. That's scary!
I hate reposting but perhaps you want to read this. It came from the NY Times, one of the best media outlets in the world. Their motto is "All the news that's fit to print."
I guess you'll debate this story then begin your attack on Division III college presidents that need to be educated as well.........thanks!!

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/13/sports/othersports/13ncaa.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&ref=sports 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: loyalroyal on February 18, 2007, 05:51:21 PM
Saratoga, I agree with you.  My post was in no way a slight to the players and coaches at DSU.  I always admired their class and poise in every game I've seen them in.  Not to mention their ability on the court is seemingly unstoppable at times.  So to DSU-SID or anyone else that I may have offended by looking past DSU, that was not my intention and I apologize.

Scranton will have their hands full playing DSU on Wednesday.  And while DSU does have nights where they are seemingly unstoppable, they do have nights (along with any other team) where their buckets just won't fall (see their game at FDU where they were held to a mere 26.8 field goal percentage in the game).  Whether that was because of the FDU defense, DSU's shots not falling, or both, I have no idea.  So while Scranton will have to play a 40-minute game to win, DSU will also need to have their sharp-shooters on Wednesday night, or the game could be over before it begins.

As for COY, while I am rooting for Danzig, something could be said about Scott Coval from DSU.  DSU has a better overall record than King's and is one game behind Scranton for the best overall record in the conference.  And aside from a 34 point thrashing at FDU, their biggest loss of the season after that was only nine points.  It shows that they have the ability to keep any game they're in pretty close.  And while DSU may have lost to lower ranked teams like Drew and Lyco, other teams have shows nights like that (King's losing to Wilkes and DVC for example).  I think Coach Coval and the Bulldogs had a good season, and if it doesn't go to Danzig, I think Coval is an excellent candidate for COY.

Good luck to all the teams this week in the playoffs!  GO ROYALS!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 18, 2007, 06:15:45 PM
LoyalRoyal, I certainly didn't take your previous post as a slight to Desales & I doubt anyone from Center Valley did either. Since 98% of the posts on this site come from Scranton, Wilkes or Kings fans...I think it's pretty safe to think many are pulling for that eventual matchup. My point was that as much as many of us would love to see that game...the kids at Desales may have other plans. Also, since the Royals are still quite young & making the same mistakes at the end of the year that hurt them early on...they better not be thinking of anything other than chasing bulldogs ALL night...not part of the night or most of the night but, for a full 40 & beyond if needed.
Title: None Taken
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 18, 2007, 06:18:23 PM
Loyal Royal - No offense taken.  I am sure an experienced playoff team such as Scranton is not going to take anyone lightly and look any further than its next scheduled game.  Of course in the back of my mind, I hope everyone takes us lightly and we coast to a Freedom crown ( ;D)...but as we all know things are never that easy in this conference and whoever walks away happy on Saturday will have worked very hard for what they've earned.

Cold Case - I am not really interested in getting into a shouting match with you and my comments were not intended to be about the NY Times article and the rumor/story of a Division break-up.  I read that story the first time you posted it.  My problem and post was solely based on what I felt was an inappropriate and uncalled for verbal attack on the institution I work for and two of our men's players from the HS you mentioned in your post.  I just felt it was a comment that could have been kept to yourself.  This forum can be used for a lot of positive things and I did not feel your comments were one of them.

Good Luck to everyone this week...I am looking forward to an exciting week ahead of us.  Its a great time of year for sports fans.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on February 18, 2007, 09:50:57 PM
OK, so I'm not going to get much support in this room, but Pete Marion of FDU is a no-brainer for coach of the year..my case -
1. FDU was picked dead last by all of the coaches in the pre-season poll.
2. The team won only 6 games last year, and added only one new player! (a backup)
This, in my opinion, makes one coach of the year. Yes, it's difficult to stay on top in a tough league, but I'd rather try that than build a program from 6 wins any day of the week...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: susquejamma on February 18, 2007, 10:01:34 PM
Somebody here asked for this last week....

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Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 18, 2007, 11:43:52 PM
LJK and Leo:

Let's look at the guards: (I know figures lie and liars figure...but, as Buffalo Springfield wrote...For What It's Worth:

The Guards:

Name                                   FG%     FT%    3pt%      Assists     TO's

Randy Arnold                       .461      .891    .250       112          68   

Ryan Fitzpatrick                    .474      .784    .454!     56            38

Emslie                                   .413    .839     .400      104          80

Morris                                    .413     .816     .383     45             38

Cousart                                  .452     .753      .223    111          71

Dwebeng                                .418     .813      .361    67            34

Pinckney                                  .403    .755       .302    89            109

Krickzy                                      .434    .635       .274   21             31

Maybe I would move Fitz, Kofi or Emslie up past Morris but I can't make the case for IP or Krickzy. Both had more to's than assists. Neither had great % from 3 pt range and Krickzy had low FT % as well.   
I think Kofi had a better season than Cousart. He hit bigger shots and, imho, played better in the bigger games (i.e Scranton).
Add to that an almost 2-1 assist to turnover and he looks very strong.
Just some food for thought.
 
By the way, these are season box score stats from team websites.  Not all posted conference stats. Someone else might be able to deliver those.


Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 19, 2007, 01:58:51 AM
Quote from: bill on February 18, 2007, 09:50:57 PM
OK, so I'm not going to get much support in this room, but Pete Marion of FDU is a no-brainer for coach of the year..my case -
1. FDU was picked dead last by all of the coaches in the pre-season poll.
2. The team won only 6 games last year, and added only one new player! (a backup)
This, in my opinion, makes one coach of the year. Yes, it's difficult to stay on top in a tough league, but I'd rather try that than build a program from 6 wins any day of the week...

Bill, you had me at "6 games last year".  I wholeheartedly throw my support behind Pete Marion.

As far as player of the year, I'll refer to a post from last year:
"I think Isiah Pinckney should be Player of the Year.  Sincerely, Isiah Pinckney"
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on February 19, 2007, 07:53:42 AM
And that's why he's on my first team, like Lou Grant said ," I like spunk".   (lol).   I don't particularly like his frenzied style and his shot selection, but he was always entertaining and fun to watch and played on some bad clubs and survived for 4 years, pulling off a few upsets along the way.   It wasn't easy picking the first team this year, or the POY or COY, for that matter, in this unpredictable league.  As Naismith points out, the stats are pretty close, and you can make a case for a lot of guys.  I think it all comes down to whose game you like, and how they played when you happened to see them. In addition, you can look at their individual stats, and how they perform in crunch time, team records and other intangibles.  The same can be said for the other awards.  Lady Royal and Bill make excellent cases for Coval and Marion and I wouldn't be surprised if either one of them got the COY award.   I think the only no brainer was Kresge for ROY.  If they pick the teams and awards after the playoffs, you might have some different choices all the way around.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 19, 2007, 11:41:48 AM
Nais,

The answers to our questions will come out soon, but I must tell you that I highly researched my selection.  My research being looking back on the handful of games that I saw this year, so take it for what its worth.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 19, 2007, 12:49:14 PM
Leo,

U probably have the right picks with the exception of Schmidtt...  think Stricker gets the nod there. Cousart will probably 1st team due to reputation and history etc. etc. He is fine player but, as I said, Kofi probably had a better year. 
I am not sure whether they take the best 5 players or go by position. And I forgot that last year they overloaded the 2nd team.

It's fun to debate and get feedback from others who often saw different games and different performances.....

I will probably stop at Senunas post game Wed. (may be late for the tip) Stop over....a few other D3 hoop guys might be there as well.

My question regarding FDU Coach Marion:

1) Is the sudden improvement a result of his coaching?
2) Is the sudden improvement indicative that he coached 'poorly' in previous years seeing he had the same talent?
3) Is the sudden improvement a result of a 'weak' Freedom conference? (i.e Wilkes/Lyco having off years basd on their recent history).

I look at JP and think: 2 years ago: final 8. Last year, a 2 seed in the Freedom and this year a #1 seed in the Freedom.
He beat FDU and Scranton twice.
To me, he is a no brainer as COY.

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on February 19, 2007, 02:52:42 PM
naismith
I understand your arguement, it's just that I believe an award like coach of the year should go to the coach who has done more with his squad than was expected of his team...I also don't believe it should simply go to the team that wins the most...
Examples: It bothers me that Coach Keres at Mt. Union wins the DIII coach of the year award almost yearly...His team is awesome. Is he a huge part of that? Yes, but does that mean he did a better job of coaching than a team that went from 1-9 to 7-3? I'm not sure....
Several years ago, when I was still coaching football in the MAC, Coach Girardi (I think) won coach of the year, despite having been picked to win the league going away by his peers. Coach Manello of Kings had a huge turnaround from something like 3-7 to 7-3, and finished second or third in the league, despite having been picked near the bottom. This, in my opinion, is how a COY should be earned...
Kings had 3 place votes this year in the pre-season. They were picked second, and finished first. OK, good job - but you've been in the top two for the last 3 years, as you pointed out. You've maintained your place at the top, which is not easy to do.
However, FDU was picked to finish 8th, and finished 4th. I say "better job" - in my opinion. You were near - or at - the bottom for a couple of years, and now you've gotten close to the top. I believe it's tougher to do this than the Kings scenario above. Yes, FDU is a senior laden team, but you can't hold that against the coach. It's not like players were leaving Kings and Scranton early for the NBA, and the coach had to scramble to get 5 freshmen ready...
Anyhow, there are deserving coaches, but turnarounds like these don't happen often. My vote (although I don't have one  :) goes to coach Marion!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 19, 2007, 07:47:12 PM
I think the powers that be at MAC Freedom Central should continue the tradition they began last season. They announce Coach Marion as the Coach of the Year...shortly thereafter, FDU loses for the 3rd. time to Kings & they then realize the obvious slight to JP. & quickly...almost stealth-like add JP. as a co-Coach of the Year. Everyone finally agrees that justice has been served. Unless of course...nah.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 19, 2007, 09:14:45 PM
Bill,

Well presented Kase.
Maybe in honor of Karma King Kold Kase, we should change your handle to:

Klear Kut Kase:

I imagine u were captain of your Debate Team ......or at least Debate Team COY ???

Hey Leo----postgame Wed. at Senunas.....that is, if you are of age??

CJ and/or Papa CJ is always welcome.....and so is KlearKut if he makes it...

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 19, 2007, 09:53:20 PM
Nais,

I'm off age (barely).  May have to stop in after the game, we shall see.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 20, 2007, 09:51:08 AM
Quote from: susquejamma on February 18, 2007, 10:01:34 PM
Somebody here asked for this last week....

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Thanks that was me.


Glad I wasn't around to see the Royal meltdown this weekend.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: heatlee on February 20, 2007, 12:44:42 PM
Pete Marion should be the Coach of the Year without a doubt.  They were picked 8th and finished and finished 4th.  They haven't finished over .500 since the 1998-1999 season. And just to clarify a point, though he was on the bench for several years it was not him making the final decisions. Also, he did not officially become head coach last year until the season started.  So, this is really the first team he has coached where it is totally his philosophyfrom start to finish.
Title: Re: None Taken
Post by: cold_case on February 20, 2007, 03:11:17 PM
Quote from: BJ - DSU SID on February 18, 2007, 06:18:23 PMCold Case - I am not really interested in getting into a shouting match with you and my comments were not intended to be about the NY Times article and the rumor/story of a Division break-up.  I read that story the first time you posted it.  My problem and post was solely based on what I felt was an inappropriate and uncalled for verbal attack on the institution I work for and two of our men's players from the HS you mentioned in your post.  I just felt it was a comment that could have been kept to yourself.  This forum can be used for a lot of positive things and I did not feel your comments were one of them.

BJ, I as well am not interested in a shouting match so I'll end this entire thing by stating that your reading comprehension is as bad as Leo's. When did I mention DeSales or it's players and who said your comments were aimed at the NY Times and the D-III breakup?
You come on here and blast me, yet judging by how defensive you got makes me wonder if what you are saying is that the shoe fits in regards to the former?
This "Case" may not be "Cold" but it's over at my end.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 20, 2007, 03:55:19 PM
Scranton is 4-0 under Danzig in Playoff games at the Long Center....hopefully history coupled with the revenge factor coming off that terrible loss equals the Royals advancing to the Freedom Finals.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 20, 2007, 04:23:04 PM
Just a guess but for what it's worth, here are my postseason all-star units and awards. By the way, I studied everything closely and with Scranton leaving the Freedom, I look for their players to get the short end. Maybe it's paranoia, maybe not.

First team
Emslie, Stricker, Bicknell, Arnold and Cousart
Second team
Pickney, Lopez, Sye, Schmitt and Scalzo. Soboleski should get named as well.

Rookie of the Year: Kresge of Wilkes
Coach of the Year: Marion of FDU
Player of the Year: My guess is that Emslie will get it over Stricker and Bicknell.

Call it a hunch, but the Freedom is so messed up, I'd bet the ranch this is how the voting goes down.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 20, 2007, 04:58:05 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 20, 2007, 04:23:04 PM
Just a guess but for what it's worth, here are my postseason all-star units and awards. By the way, I studied everything closely and with Scranton leaving the Freedom, I look for their players to get the short end. Maybe it's paranoia, maybe not.

First team
Emslie, Stricker, Bicknell, Arnold and Cousart
Second team
Pickney, Lopez, Sye, Schmitt and Scalzo. Soboleski should get named as well.

Rookie of the Year: Kresge of Wilkes
Coach of the Year: Marion of FDU
Player of the Year: My guess is that Emslie will get it over Stricker and Bicknell.

Call it a hunch, but the Freedom is so messed up, I'd bet the ranch this is how the voting goes down.


What are you smoking? 1st and 2nd teams need some tweaking...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2007, 06:44:05 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 20, 2007, 03:11:17 PM
When did I mention DeSales or it's players

Cold_case, just to refresh your memory.

Quote from: cold_case on February 17, 2007, 05:57:14 PM
With Scranton making a move to the Landmark, it will be refreshing not hearing their opponents trotting out players from high school academic havens like Engieneering & Science, Harry S. Truman and others.

Nobody is really fooled by claims off of veiled references. If you didn't meant to lump two DeSales kids in there perhaps you should've chosen your words better.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 20, 2007, 07:09:56 PM
More Jersey Jibberesh as the Madison Maulers Move EnMasse Making Marion  Morningline Mortal Lock for Maestro of the Millenium.

Accoding to the Debating PHD's of FDU, here are the criteria for winning COY:

1) If you are supposed to win and win............................................................................you lose
2) If you are supposed to win and do not win.................................................................you lose
3) If you are not supposed to win and you do not win....................................................you win
4)) If you are not supposed to win and you do win..........................................................you might win

Now, the correct answers are very simple: The winner should come from scenario #1 or #4.

But....the Garden State Groupies groveling and grudingly genuflecting for genuine postseason awards......have anointed #3 and only #3 as their criteria.

With their rationale,  if you were expected to flunk a course and got a D, you would then be "Student of the Year"....lol
And, God forbid, you get a C, they might erect a Monument in Madison......

Naismith



Naismtih
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on February 20, 2007, 07:36:32 PM
Naismith

While I don't have a PHd, I'm not sure I follow your arguement.

Please re-read my post. Your #1 criteria "1) If you are supposed to win and win.................................... ....................................... .you lose"
I wrote that "OK, good job - but you've been in the top two for the last 3 years, as you pointed out. You've maintained your place at the top, which is not easy to do. " - of course it's possible to win COY from this criteria. Most years will not have a turn-around story like FDU's this year. Those years, criteria #1 wins out more often than not.

Your #3 criteria "3) If you are not supposed to win and you do not win.................................... ................you win"
is not relevant here. FDU was not supposed to win and won. How did we "have anointed #3 and only #3 as their criteria." ?

Yes, you are correct in stating "Now, the correct answers are very simple: The winner should come from scenario #1 or #4."

I'm not sure how we are really disagreeing....
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 20, 2007, 08:23:37 PM
On another topic...word has it that Coach Bessoir will be seen sporting a fire-engine red tux at the Kings/FDU game... it's from his Towering Inferno collection.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 20, 2007, 08:37:16 PM
Nais and Bill,
Relax. I've been following this part of the MAC (Northeast and now Freedom) section since the early 1970's. Over that lengthy period, the most unusual things have happened, mostly in all-star and other award selections. I'm not sure when the league will release its latest version but it's a good bet what I posted regarding all the above will probably be as close to accurate as can be.
Besides, Marion has to be COY. From being ranked eighth is pre-season to a four and playoff team speaks volumes. That may be the only choice that makes sense.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 20, 2007, 09:09:15 PM
By the way, the Landmark Conference board is officially up and running.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 21, 2007, 07:47:13 AM
Quote from: saratoga on February 20, 2007, 08:23:37 PM
On another topic...word has it that Coach Bessoir will be seen sporting a fire-engine red tux at the Kings/FDU game... it's from his Towering Inferno collection.

'Toga - honest question.  Who does Bess root for these days, JP's Kings squad or Scranton?  Or is it almost equal for him at this point?

And CC - already on top of the Landmine board. :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 21, 2007, 09:17:22 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on February 21, 2007, 07:47:13 AM
Quote from: saratoga on February 20, 2007, 08:23:37 PM
On another topic...word has it that Coach Bessoir will be seen sporting a fire-engine red tux at the Kings/FDU game... it's from his Towering Inferno collection.

'Toga - honest question.  Who does Bess root for these days, JP's Kings squad or Scranton?  Or is it almost equal for him at this point?




It saddens me that we even need to ask this question.


As for tonight I like Scranton by 3-5 points...and although I would love the last Freedom game to be at the Long Center... I like Kings by 10-12 pts
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 21, 2007, 09:42:34 AM
Nepa,

What should sadden you even more is the answer.  Bess is seen at Scandlon quite often these days.
By the way, when are the postseson awards coming out?  Are they waiting till after the playoffs?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 21, 2007, 10:09:28 AM
Quote from: Leo The Lion on February 21, 2007, 09:42:34 AMBy the way, when are the postseson awards coming out?  Are they waiting till after the playoffs?

Sometime this week, possibly today.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 21, 2007, 10:24:58 AM
Quote from: Leo The Lion on February 21, 2007, 09:42:34 AM
Nepa,

What should sadden you even more is the answer.  Bess is seen at Scandlon quite often these days.
By the way, when are the postseson awards coming out?  Are they waiting till after the playoffs?

Doesn't he know where his bread is buttered?  ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 21, 2007, 10:53:18 AM
Quote from: cold_case on February 20, 2007, 04:23:04 PM
Just a guess but for what it's worth, here are my postseason all-star units and awards. By the way, I studied everything closely and with Scranton leaving the Freedom, I look for their players to get the short end. Maybe it's paranoia, maybe not.

First team
Emslie, Stricker, Bicknell, Arnold and Cousart
Second team
Pickney, Lopez, Sye, Schmitt and Scalzo. Soboleski should get named as well.

Rookie of the Year: Kresge of Wilkes
Coach of the Year: Marion of FDU
Player of the Year: My guess is that Emslie will get it over Stricker and Bicknell.

Call it a hunch, but the Freedom is so messed up, I'd bet the ranch this is how the voting goes down.


The 2007 all-Freedom Conference teams and award recipients are as follows:

            1st-Team
           Jamie Cousart – King's College
            Phil Stricker – DeSales University
            Tom Bicknell – The University of Scranton
            Frank Emslie – FDU-Florham
            Randy Arnold – The University of Scranton       

            2nd-Team
            Greg Sye – Lycoming College
            Vince Scalzo – King's College
            Isaiah Pickney – Delaware Valley College
            Pierre Schmitt – FDU-Florham
            Chris Lopez – Drew University

            Player of the Year:  Frank Emslie – FDU-Florham
            Rookie of the Year:  Tom Kresge – Wilkes University
            Coach of the Year:  Peter Marion – FDU-Florham

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 21, 2007, 11:44:35 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 21, 2007, 10:24:58 AM


Doesn't he know where his bread is buttered?  ;D

I often wonder that question myself.


Begrudgingly, I congratulate CC on his Carnac like predictions on this years postseason awards.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 21, 2007, 11:54:17 AM
Your begrudges accepted.
It really wasn't hard to figure out. No Dwebeng, Morris, Fitzpatrick and I'm not shocked.
What's really sad is that Emslie wasn't even listed as a candidate for POY.
Just think, these are adults that are supposed to be setting examples for the kids.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bziadie on February 21, 2007, 01:26:27 PM
He Carnac Cold Case,

Nice job but you said Soboleski as well......... ;)

Regarding your comment about Emslie, he may not have been on the original ballot that gets sent out as a proof for coaches to look at and make sure their nomination info is correct.  But he was on the final one as there are no write-in votes permitted.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 21, 2007, 01:29:44 PM
CJ: Who do I feel Bess roots for these days? Kings. Do I know that for sure, no. Will I ever ask him, no. But, there have been nights when both the Royals & Kings have been home & he's chosen "that other place" to catch a game. On the other hand, he still does go to Royal games & he's still pretty close to Canio so who knows? Being the Renaissance man he is...maybe he loves any basketball game just for the artistic quality. Should be a very physical one tonight at the Long Center. Royals:67/Desales:62.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 21, 2007, 01:31:15 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 21, 2007, 01:29:44 PM
CJ: Who do I feel Bess roots for these days? Kings. Do I know that for sure, no. Will I ever ask him, no. But, there have been nights when both the Royals & Kings have been home & he's chosen "that other place" to catch a game. On the other hand, he still does go to Royal games & he's still pretty close to Canio so who knows? Being the Renaissance man he is...maybe he loves any basketball game just for the artistic quality. Should be a very physical one tonight at the Long Center. Royals:67/Desales:62.


First prediction from Toga in a long time......!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 21, 2007, 01:31:51 PM
Zades, thanks for the heads up on the Emslie kid. Was told differently but that's cool. I'm far from Carnac, but like I posted earlier: Knowing the MAC the way I do for the past 35 or so years, I'm never shocked when it comes to voting. The more things change coaching-wise, the more they same the same.
However, I really thought Soboleski would get on but hey, just one wrong ain't bad. 8)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 21, 2007, 01:44:52 PM
NEPA: Just want to keep that winning percentage edge. Last time I called one was 3 weeks ago when the Lady Royals got knocked off in a perfectly placed upset special. Take the Royals plus the points. Take Desales to have the 1st. rebound, the Royals to hit the first 3 & the Royals to have the 1st. turnover. Desales takes the first timeout & if Scranton learned anything from Sat's. loss it will be evident not in the first 5 minutes of the game, but in the last 7 minutes of it.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on February 21, 2007, 02:53:12 PM
All things considered, I think the league got it right this year with the all conference selections, and player and coaching awards.  I'm going with King's and Scranton tonight, looking forward to King's/Scranton III for Saturdays final.   
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 21, 2007, 04:31:30 PM
First 5 minutes, last 7 minutes...as long as it equals 40 minutes of complete basketball...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: upton on February 21, 2007, 08:16:33 PM
Final regional rankings are out and it looks like Kings or Scranton might get an at large bid with both being ranked in the top 8 in the Middle Atlantic Region.  I doubt both will get in if one of them doesn't win the MAC Freedom tourny, but a win by one and a loss by the other in the finals might get 2 teams in the tourny.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 21, 2007, 11:06:43 PM
Well,

Did COY candidate Danzig have a cameo in the "Departed"??

All future Scranton posts can be forwarded to the hereafter file at landmark.com

Congrats to DeSales faithful on the upset.

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 21, 2007, 11:23:32 PM

"Your #3 criteria "3) If you are not supposed to win and you do not win.................................... ................you win"
is not relevant here. FDU was not supposed to win and won. How did we "have anointed #3 and only #3 as their criteria." ?

Yes, you are correct in stating "Now, the correct answers are very simple: The winner should come from scenario #1 or #4."

I'm not sure how we are really disagreeing...."


Here is where we disagree :

Just what did FDU win?
A 4th seed????

That is not a win. Winning is winning the conference.

So you must have beaten Kings.....right?


All I see is 3 demolition derbies.
Talk about back to back thumpings!!!

Up 14 in the 1st half and you lose by 9 (and it could have been worse).

Outplayed and outcoached by a better team and the 'real' COY:  JP.

Why didn't COY Marion have an answer for the inside out game of Kings 2nd half.  Why did he stick with Biancosino when it was clear he could not handle Kings inside play? 

Oh,....I forgot.....Kings was supposed to win and they won so they lose??

and....................FDU was supposed to lose and they lost ( but only by 9) so they won??

So does FDU play Scranton????

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 21, 2007, 11:24:36 PM
When Scranton plays 40 minutes of basketball...they'll win a game, till then...chalk up another PUTRID first half and another loss. I didn't get worried when they played a so-so second half in Kings#1 & lost by a few. Didn't even worry that much with a horrible 1st. half vs. Catholic which led to a loss at home. I started to get somewhat worried when Susquehanna slapped them around at will in another pathetic 1st. half...but, they did come back in the 2nd. half to tie the game late only to then get blitzed by a 14-2 run over the last 5 minutes...worried again. Then the Royals seem to peak around the 3/4 mark of the season...as they put together some nice wins & are or should be primed to face Kings at home. Guess what...another beyond horrible 1st. half...a regrouping in the 2nd. half only to let another one slip away. I mean these guys are falling behind not 8-10 points...this is getting scary as they are playing out of the shoot like it's the first time they've laced them up...and they are down 17 points at the freakin Long Center. Another loss. Off to FDU...fade late, another loss. Last regular season game at Desales...up 18 in the 1st. half...no answer for the defensive adjustments...lose at the end. Rematch tonight at home...once again, down 18 in the ...you guessed it, 1st. half...storming out in the 2nd. half, tie it, play back & forth & then lose it with not 1, not 2, not3, but 4 shots at offensive boards as the clock hits 1.2 seconds. In reflection...something is not right with this picture. Far too many horrible starts...far too many horrible finishes & far too many gaps in the game where the defense gets beat down the court. I feel for Darrin Cannon...as this is not how his season shouldhave ended & the returning players & staff need to take a very serious look at game preperation as these complete & total beatings have happened far too much...especially at home.How a team knowing it has to win to continue the season can play so non-chalant at home is beyond me. Falling behind is one thing...getting a physical beating & getting trounced at the Long Center is quite another. Some kids step up in these games, some step aside & some get run over...what a horrible ending to a promising season. I give all the credit in the world to the Desales kids...they took it right to Scranton early & often & would not fade going down the stretch when it may have been easier to do so. The Royals had a nice season, some kids really improved & put together very nice games...but, all things considered, this is a game you have to win...almost... that will get you a ticket to the womens game.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 21, 2007, 11:32:55 PM
Does the UofS now play FDU...cute! What I do know is as horrible as Scranton played...at least they had a game...where was Wilkes??? Oh, that's right...one game out of last place. There's always next year...line forms to the right.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 21, 2007, 11:38:22 PM
Saratoga,

You are very very right about Scranton.
But, according the the Freedom League Bylaws on display at FDU .....

You lost and were not supposed to lose ....so....you lose

Off the Landmark Board with your post.......so says Karma  Kommisioner Kold Kase!!

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 21, 2007, 11:45:35 PM
Saratoga,

Geez....I was teasing Bill down at FDU but  he is either seeking me out at Senunas (where were you Leo?) or rereading his debate team textbooks.

Hey, imho, Scranton had the talent to go all the way this year (you can review my earlier posts). Still feel that way but what happened happened....

As far as Wilkes, they closed on a two game win streak after tweaking a few things on offense...
Everyone will be back (the freshman class are almost all deans list students) and I am sure Coach JR
has been on the road recruiting addtional talent.

Wilkes will be fine 2007/2008.....as should the Royals.

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 22, 2007, 12:25:08 AM
Sorry about the no show Nais, Leo enjoyed a quiet celebration with a few friends after the victory.

I never like taunting other teams who have lost when my team is still around but....

CC its been two hours since the Scranton loss and still no post?  By the way King's has a purple banner with gold trim that has Scranton written on it.  The College no longer as use for it, anyone interested in giving the banner a good home, please contact Joe DiMaggio at the Scandlon Gym Equipment Room.

By the way the Player of the Year gave a double bird to the King's student section at the end of the game.  Ahhh, nothing wrong with showing some emotion.

However, now onto the DeSales battle.  SHould be a dandy, hope the Monarchs don't look past them.  More on the game in the future days...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 22, 2007, 06:01:53 AM
Quote from: Leo The Lion on February 22, 2007, 12:25:08 AMI never like taunting other teams who have lost when my team is still around but....
CC its been two hours since the Scranton loss and still no post?  By the way King's has a purple banner with gold trim that has Scranton written on it.  The College no longer as use for it, anyone interested in giving the banner a good home, please contact Joe DiMaggio at the Scandlon Gym Equipment Room.

I had some money to lose at Mohegan last night, thus no post until now.
The Freedom League forgot one award: Toolbox of the Year, and that goes to you Leo. How many points did you score for "your" team last night?
Who said I was a Scranton fan? Does that make Naismith a Scranton fan because he talked about them all season like he was an important dues paying alum? I enjoyed talking about them because it annoyed the heck out of you and CJ, and it was fun. By the way, Leo, did you ever play baseball in college?
Also, if I'm not mistaken, you have to take four or five banners down, all of schools that are leaving to help form the hoi paloi of academia. Before you know it, that wall will resemble a who's who of PAC schools and JC's that decided to go four years.

Nais, how about putting aside the razzing of Bill and Saratoga for a second. I hear Shovlin is taking classes at Wilkes and plans to play basketball next year for the Colonels. Good for him. What did you hear?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on February 22, 2007, 09:32:20 AM
Obviously, people are going to have differing opinions on what happened during games.
I felt last nights King's game was well played by both sides...I certainly wouldn't say that FDU was "thumped".
Both teams shot extremely well from the floor in the first half. FDU led until about 7:00 left in the game, and then couldn't buy a basket, layups included. I believe we only scored about 9 points in the last 7 minutes, missing many open shots...
Biancosino only played 9 minutes of the game - Rimol does need a rest at times...I wouldn't say the Coach stuck with him too long...
As for "iit could have been worse" - yes, it could have. FDU could have easily been up by 11-15 points going into half time.
Kings made shots down the stretch, and FDU didn't. Kings advances, and I hope they do well against DeSales and posibbly the NCAA's..

On a side note- how about those Kings students? I'm shocked that the Kings AD doesn't reign them in. The cursing, homeophbic chants that came out of that section all night were ridiculous. It was actually funny to hear the announcer read the MAC code of conduct - and right as he mentioned that foul language is not permitted -  The student section was in its loudest "FU FDU chant"....
It would not have changed the game at all, but Kings should have been hit with a technical foul when Pierre didn't have enough room to inbound the ball. I've never seen a player moved to inbound a ball, rather than have the fans moved back.
If I were Ms. Ish, I'd be embarrased!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 22, 2007, 09:40:38 AM
CC...we all know you are a Del Val fan.


You know who the Royals missed last night, Mike Kreuter! As much as CJ used to rip him, the Royals had no answer to Phil Stricker when Bicknell was on the bench for most of the game.

Saratoga, agree with the preperation aspect to this year's dissapointing season. I hope they have some kids in the pipeline for next year , as the Royals need some bigs.


No chance at the NCAAs right? How bout ECACs? We can swap roles with Desales!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 22, 2007, 09:48:14 AM
Quote from: bill on February 22, 2007, 09:32:20 AMOn a side note- how about those Kings students? I'm shocked that the Kings AD doesn't reign them in. The cursing, homeophbic chants that came out of that section all night were ridiculous. It was actually funny to hear the announcer read the MAC code of conduct - and right as he mentioned that foul language is not permitted -  The student section was in its loudest "FU FDU chant"....
It would not have changed the game at all, but Kings should have been hit with a technical foul when Pierre didn't have enough room to inbound the ball. I've never seen a player moved to inbound a ball, rather than have the fans moved back. If I were Ms. Ish, I'd be embarrased!

Leo, wow, wow, wow. You never mentioned the above but you were the first in line to slam the Emslie kid for his antics. Let me know when you're going to pick up your award. 8)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on February 22, 2007, 09:48:36 AM
bill:

It still wonders me why college students believe it's "cool" to make public jackasses of themselves ... and how they often get away with it (bad behavior should have bad consequences).
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 22, 2007, 09:52:56 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on February 22, 2007, 09:48:36 AM
bill:

It still wonders me why college students believe it's "cool" to make public jackasses of themselves ... and how they often get away with it (bad behavior should have bad consequences).


They are kids......give em a break....not the King's fans being vulgar ....but Emisle...nice to see a little passion..........
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on February 22, 2007, 09:53:17 AM
King's rallied, led by Jamie Cousart (24 pts.), from being 18 points down.  FDU came out on fire and led at halftime 41-33.  King's managed to get the score under 10 at the break, which is always huge.   The refs let them play in the initial stanza but started calling it close, as usually happens, in the 2nd half.  I think King's gradually wore FDU down with their strong bench rotation, as opposed to FDU whose starters logged a lot of minutes.  FDU got tired and shooters lost their legs as the shots they were hitting earlier were not dropping.  The Monarchs can thank Jamie Cousart for this W.  The all conf. 1st teamer was terrific, setting up everything, and making some dazzling plays.  He shut down the POY Emslie defensively (6 pts.), even stuffing one of his jumpers.  Cous was all over the floor, even finishing with 10 boards.  Some times I think fans take him for granted, but he's been a player since he arrived on campus.  King's was a matchup nightmare for FDU forcing FDU to play zone most of the game.   Ryan Nenstiel was especially tough, coming off the bench, to hit some big shots.  He had 17 pts., 9 rebounds, and some nice assists.  With his size and ball handling skills, he's a tough matchup for any team.   A real nice pick up for the Monarchs.  Pierre Schmidt of FDU is a player and led all scores with 26 pts.  As I stated, Emslie was held in check by Cousart, but it seemed like Emslie was not looking for his shot all night.  I saw him kill Wilkes hitting 5 (3s) in that game.  Hard to explain POY not looking to score in such a big game.  Maybe he was under coaches orders or under the weather or something, but it was puzzling to this observer.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopzwiz on February 22, 2007, 09:58:01 AM
Anyone who knows anything about King's shouldn't be surprised about the actions of their students.  I wasn't at the game last night but have been witness to the classlessness on many occassions. 
Lets not forget, we're not dealing with rocket scientists. 
There's a reason they say, "If you can't go to college, go to Kings."

Regardless of how King's fans will respond to this, ignorant and demeaning language isn't apart of the game.  The people in charge should be held responsible as much as the kids.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on February 22, 2007, 10:01:44 AM
I saw a ruckus outside the gym as I made my way to Senunas.  The police arrived with the paddy wagon and it looked like some people got hauled away.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on February 22, 2007, 10:10:16 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 22, 2007, 09:52:56 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on February 22, 2007, 09:48:36 AM
bill:

It still wonders me why college students believe it's "cool" to make public jackasses of themselves ... and how they often get away with it (bad behavior should have bad consequences).


They are kids......give em a break....

Whatever else they are, they're not just "kids."
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on February 22, 2007, 10:22:02 AM
ljk
Very fair assesment of the game. Nice job. (no, I'm not be sarcastic, justing trying for a solid Chris Russo impersonation  :)  ) totaly agree about the officiating - it was very loose in the first half, and then got much tighter.
If you're a Kings guy, good luck in the next round!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 22, 2007, 10:47:41 AM
CC,

Let me perfectly clear on some issues

1) I did not slam Emslie, in fact I said it was nice to see him show some emotion
2) You sure could have fooled me about not being a Scranton fan
3) Scranton is not Harvard and never will be, please save your high and mighty talk about leaving the wretched MAC for the beacon of accademic integrity
4) I am a King's fan and I have never professed to be anything else, so yeah, I'm gonna be pretty excited after they win a playoff game

LJK,
My sources tell me that there was a little scruffle between some of the FDU student section and someone from King's (possibly a prof.) From what I heard, it resulted in cuffs on a female FDU student.

Hoopzwiz,
Please, was the student section rough, yeah they were, but its similar to alot of other colleges.  I know its no picnic walking by Scranton's section wearing a King's shirt.  Heck, Maryland's students wear shirts that say F*** Duke.  It's college, and you should expect college students to act like college students.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on February 22, 2007, 11:44:08 AM
Bill:  I'm a Wilkes guy, but a basketball junkie, who tries to give a fair assesment in breaking down the games that I attend.    Leo,  I did notice Emslie giving the slash throat sign against Wilkes, after nailing all those 3's against them in their meeting.  Maybe sportsmanship is not in POYs repertiore.  Bill, Leo:  Why do you think Emslie was so passive on the offensive end ?   Excellent "D' by Cousart, but he passed up a lot of good looks that I've seen him hoist in the past.  My feeling is that FDU needed him to score the ball!  (thats' for you CC) (lol).  What do you guys think?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 22, 2007, 02:00:58 PM
LJK,

To be fair to Emslie, he never really had a big points night against King's in any of the three games.  McPherson and Schmitt were the two that really hurt King's in their battles this year.  As for the passiveness, who knows, maybe he wasnt feeling it, maybe he was too worried about getting Schmitt some shots.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopzwiz on February 22, 2007, 02:37:19 PM
Quote from: Leo The Lion on February 22, 2007, 10:47:41 AM
CC,

Let me perfectly clear on some issues

1) I did not slam Emslie, in fact I said it was nice to see him show some emotion
2) You sure could have fooled me about not being a Scranton fan
3) Scranton is not Harvard and never will be, please save your high and mighty talk about leaving the wretched MAC for the beacon of accademic integrity
4) I am a King's fan and I have never professed to be anything else, so yeah, I'm gonna be pretty excited after they win a playoff game

LJK,
My sources tell me that there was a little scruffle between some of the FDU student section and someone from King's (possibly a prof.) From what I heard, it resulted in cuffs on a female FDU student.

Hoopzwiz,
Please, was the student section rough, yeah they were, but its similar to alot of other colleges.  I know its no picnic walking by Scranton's section wearing a King's shirt.  Heck, Maryland's students wear shirts that say F*** Duke.  It's college, and you should expect college students to act like college students.


Leo,
I apologize, I didn't realize that class, respect and sportsmanship were outlawed on college campuses.  The comparison to Maryland is idiotic on many levels.  There are many more 'student sections' that do it the right way than vice versa.

At what age should we expect these people to act like adults?
Perhaps we should overlook cheating, drug/alcohol abuse, etc. since they are just college kids being college kids.

As far as other schools doing the same thing I'll give you the same line my mom gave me when I wanted to try a cigarette:  If your friends jumped off a bridge, would you?

Great argument.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bziadie on February 22, 2007, 03:15:39 PM
Hoopwhiz:

So what college did you graduate from????
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 22, 2007, 03:26:50 PM
He's posting from a college campus. He may not have.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bziadie on February 22, 2007, 04:18:52 PM
Quote from: hoopzwiz on February 22, 2007, 09:58:01 AM
I wasn't at the game last night but have been witness to the classlessness on many occassions. 


Pat, from the tone of his comment here, sounds like someone that has been around for a while and not a student....unless of course we are talking about an employee at a college.

I hope that the person who told me who Hoopzwiz is is wrong.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 22, 2007, 05:51:55 PM
Bob: No, it's not Bobby Knight.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 22, 2007, 08:32:31 PM
Hoopzwiz,

My point is simple, it is what it is.  Don't condem a single institution for widespread transgressions at colleges all across this country.  Also, comparing foul language to drug abuse is a bit of a stretch.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 22, 2007, 09:23:56 PM
Re kings fans:

I have sat among them and I have sat opposite them.
Personally, I rather enjoy the spirit, passion and intimidation that they bring to each game.
And just who was that bearded wonder leading the charge???

Hey, even the announcer is a real homer.....and who doesn't love Johnny Z??

Some guy near me kept yelling for the FDU shots to miss and they would miss...I turned around to see who this Hoop God miracle worker was........yeah it was him.....the #1 Padre who hails from Schnechtady NY. (I know it was Ash Wednesday....but no hot dogs????  ....c'mon....lol)

For clarification, I make no pretenses that Wilkes is my #1 team.....I am an alum after all.
During my era, Kings played at a higher level and, for that matter. so did Scranton. I used to attend Kings games and a few of my buddies rented Franklin street apt. from  some Coach Ed something or other.....so I spent soem time shooting hoops in his driveway with Ed Jr.
So, I did root for them against the old Philadelphia Textile, Niagara etc. and I pull for them til this day.


I also try to be objective in my analysis of each team.

And CC is right. As I explained, I felt the talent level at Da U was very very high this year and I believed they had terrific tournament potential.

As far as players go, any kid playing DIII ball is a darn good player.....even those at the end of the bench.
Some are better than others ...obviously.
And some have better seasons than others.

With that in mind, those who pointed out Cousart and Nensteil are spot on. Terific games by both. If JC plays with that intensity, Kings will be tough.

Naismith

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 22, 2007, 09:26:26 PM
Hey CC,

Was Bicknell in foul trouble early?
Didn't see a write up on the game.
I guess D3 didn't put out press releases last night and my local rag did not cover the game.

Check you e-mail

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 22, 2007, 09:49:14 PM
Hey Warren and Pat C,

Who cares who Hoopwhiz is or isn't????

Why don't you sponsor a D3 Hoops Contest:

Guess who Hoopwhiz is?
3 bleepin entries per poster. 1 blankin winner

First Prize:
Ringside seat in the Kings Student Section.



And as far as porfanity goes....let me relate a story from my youth.
I attended New Jersey American games at the Teaneck armory in Teaneck NJ as a teen.
One could sit under the basket for $.75....and I could walk there....

http://www.remembertheaba.com/New-Jersey-Americans.html

Mel Daniels played for the Indiana franchise:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/danieme01.html

Mel made a play under the basket and almost ended up in my lap.
The ref called the foul on Mel.
As he arose,  he told the ref to go blank himself.
Nothing happened.......
But it made a very lasting impression on me. I had fortunately grown up in an No Profanity Household
that was strictly enforced. I couldn't beleive there were no consequences for his outburst......

Nothing has surprised me since.............

Naismith

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 22, 2007, 10:16:25 PM
I think CSI-SID Bob may be on to something...the Hoopster may really be Dickie V. And during commercial breaks while at Cameron...he sneaks a few anti-Kings zigers out there just to fire the locals up. This plot may go all the way back to the highest levels in Bristol...I'm sure we'll hear more on this developing story...Cracking the Hoopster Code.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 22, 2007, 11:19:56 PM
"Cracking the Hoopster Code"......that is hysterical....

Next thing they'll try to convince everyone that I didn't invent this game.....

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on February 23, 2007, 07:59:24 AM
Naismith:  I remember those ABA days,  as I used to correspond with Laverne Tart when he was the leagues leading scorer for the Oakland Oaks.   It takes me back to the old Eastern League games (pre ABA) .  The league was composed of players who were right on the cusp of the NBA when the NBA had a lost less teams.  I saw some terrrific players, (Arizin, Hal King Lear,  Spivey, Chaney, Heyman, etc).  It was such a rough and tumble league where profanity and brawling took place almost every game at the West Side Armory.   Security was always on standby and police escorts for players, refs, and coaches were common.   Also, you mentioned Philadelphia Textile, now Philly U.  I attended the school for a short stint and had their legendary Coach Herb Magee as one of my instructors.   He is one of the best pure shooters I ever witnessed.  He has videos currently available on the proper shooting technique and on playing the right way, and is still hired by NBA teams, to teach shooting.   In addition, he has over 800 wins as Coach, in his remarkable career.   Who do you like in the final on Saturday?   I'm going with King's in a tight one.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 23, 2007, 08:45:58 AM
Nais. ljk,
Check out these two sites.

This one has loads of stats, standings and MVP's of the old eastern league, including former Knick, Hawthrone Wingo.
www.members.aol.com/bradleyrd/ebl4678.html

This link is cool. It's all about the history of PA basketball. You'll want to click on players at the top of the site. It gives you three pages of them. Even mentions the two Bob's, Sura and Stevenson, along with Pete Maravich, who is a PA native and got his start in Aliquippa.
www.pahoops.org/events.htm




Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 23, 2007, 09:03:08 AM
Scranton lost.  Henceforth, NEPAFan, Saratoga, LoyalRoyal, and all the rest of you fans wearing purple, you have a message board.  It's the Landmine board. You're welcome to stop back, visit, remember good times every now and again, but go and enjoy your new home.

On Championship Eve, I ask a question.  Could this be the year DeSales finally raises a banner?  Is it possible that we could see 4 different MAC-F winners in the past 4 years?  This is their best chance to win one - per the curse of Greg Reilly, they'll never win a home playoff game again.

NEPAFan - Half the reason I bust on Lumpy (Chad Kreuter) is because when Evan Walters got injured in last year's title game, Wilkes had no answer for a fat 6'9" guy.  That was 6 straight points before a sub could get in.  Final score was 64-63.

As far as the King's student section, students commonly spill on to the court during a game.  Frequently, there is no room to inbound a ball on that side.  Perhaps putting an extra couple of feet between the students and the sideline wouldn't be a terrible idea.  Letting the "Brown Family" or drunken frat guys with pantyhose on their head closer to the action than the refs... that would be a terrible idea.

DeSales at King's.  Huh.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 23, 2007, 09:15:52 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on February 23, 2007, 09:03:08 AM
Scranton lost.  Henceforth, NEPAFan, Saratoga, LoyalRoyal, and all the rest of you fans wearing purple, you have a message board.  It's the Landmine board. You're welcome to stop back, visit, remember good times every now and again, but go and enjoy your new home.

CJ, I see you've posted more on the Landmine than anyone of the above mentioned. You envious?
As for me, I like it here. More down-to-earth, friendlier folk. I take it you read my last-ever post on the Landmine?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 23, 2007, 10:10:06 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on February 23, 2007, 09:03:08 AM
Scranton lost.  Henceforth, NEPAFan, Saratoga, LoyalRoyal, and all the rest of you fans wearing purple, you have a message board.  It's the Landmine board. You're welcome to stop back, visit, remember good times every now and again, but go and enjoy your new home.



Have fun on a dead board.....
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 23, 2007, 11:09:49 AM
Nais,

I can't enough of those bingos from John Z.  and as for the bearded wonder, that would be King's superfan also known as Carl.  He's become a staple at King's games over the past few seasons and as come up with some great cheers such as "TM in the PM" and "The Veet goes on"

CJ,
Who is this Brown Family? I didn't know Larry Brown attended MAC Freedom Games.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on February 23, 2007, 01:13:26 PM
CC:  Thanks for the links.  Some great stuff.  Not easy finding info on the EBL.  Brought back a lot of memories.  Just picked up Pistol, The Life of Pete Maravich by Mark Kriegel.  He's the same author who penned Namath, a great read.  This guy does his homework.  Pistol and Joe Willie were two of my all time favs and who can forget Wingo. (lol).
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on February 23, 2007, 01:27:05 PM
Leo:  Don't forget former ABA ref, Harvey Miller, working the clock, next to JZ.  I wonder if Carl was hauled away in the paddy wagon.   Maybe they thought he was the Professor, that you referred too, that may have been involved in the scuffle.  He does have that scholarly look.  Do you think your Monarchs can win it all against a well coached DeSales club?  I think Scalzo and Sobo have to have better games than they did the other night and have to clamp down on Stricker on the defensive end.  What say you?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 23, 2007, 03:46:28 PM
Quote from: Leo The Lion on February 23, 2007, 11:09:49 AM
Nais,

I can't enough of those bingos from John Z.  and as for the bearded wonder, that would be King's superfan also known as Carl.  He's become a staple at King's games over the past few seasons and as come up with some great cheers such as "TM in the PM" and "The Veet goes on"

CJ,
Who is this Brown Family? I didn't know Larry Brown attended MAC Freedom Games.

I gotta tell ya, I'm a fan of John Z's work as well.  Stunned?  And his possession arrow guy (is that the ABA ref?) is flawless.  After a tie-up, before a ref can even look over, he's standing up and pointing the right way.

Just once, and perhaps the MAC Championship game is the perfect game to try it, I challenge John Z to use other games of chance, in lieu of Bingo, for his 3 point calls.  ex.) "Yahtzee!"

Leo - The Brown Family was a group of big dudes, circa 2000, that thought they were the entertainment.  Games at King's, they'd be on the floor messing with a guy trying to inbounds a pass.  Games at Wilkes, they'd stand near a baseline and just jaw at everyone they could until a cop told them to sit down.  It was so bad that King's actually got T'd up once because of them... and anyone who's seen what the fans get away with, knows you have to earn a T at Scandlon.  (Unless you're Corby Swan in '04.  Then you get a T for sitting silently... but that's another story)

CC - I'm a "Starter".  I patrol several boards.  Landmine's just the latest. :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on February 23, 2007, 05:18:16 PM
Corby Swan in '04?

Colonel, that's not the same Corby Swan from Somerville, NJ HS is it?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 23, 2007, 05:37:47 PM
You know I might be biased, but I think King's has one of the finest scorer's tables in all the land.  The great thing about John Z. is if you listen closely, he'll throw in a little wrinkle every now and then (i.e. "A whirly-dirvish move from Jamie Cousart" from Wed's game).  The whole table is full of professionals, John, John, Harvey, Bob Z.'s crew, and anyone else I forgot. 

Now as for the game.

LJK,
King's could be playing Duke this weekend and I would still have to pick King's.  It should be a brutal matchup, much like the one at Scandlon a few weeks ago. This King's team is very different from the one that got Beat down in Bilera back in December.  Stricker is a force, from what I heard he was the difference in that Scranton game.  For King's to win Soboleski has to contain Stricker, he doesn't have to shut him town.  King's has to do what they did all year when they won games, take smart shots, limit turnovers, don't get outrebounded.   It's a battle between two talented, well-coached squads, we'll see what happens.

and by the way, if Carl was a professor at King's, I would no longer have an argument against CC that Scranton is on equal accademic ground with King's.   
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: loyalroyal on February 23, 2007, 05:57:53 PM
Well, Scranton lost a close one Wednesday night.  While I would like to have seen them pull it out, you can't win them all.  Congrats to DeSales and King's who will be playing for the conference championship tomorrow.  Two good schools with two good teams, and I wish them both a lot of luck.

As for the King's scorer's table.  I agree with the consensus that King's runs a great table.  Their staff is always kind and helpful even when you have a question right before the start of the second half.  However, I have to throw in Kevin Southard's name from Scranton as being a great person.  He always keeps it professional and works really hard day in and day out.

Well, unless Scranton gets a Freedom matchup in the ECACs (or even a smaller possibility the NCAAs) this willbe my last post.  Thanks for the fun boys and girls.  And for those of you staying here (Colonel) I expect to hear some friendly "banter" come next season.  Good luck to you all
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 23, 2007, 06:27:47 PM
Leo: Hey, best of luck...but, I'll go with Duke over Kings. As for your other statement, Kings on "equal ACCADEMIC ground" with Scranton...Ladies & Gentlemen,...I rest my case!!! Long live the Hoopster! PS. Desales by 3...this is the year they spell post-season...NCAA.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 23, 2007, 10:34:14 PM
In no particualr order.
Leo,
Carl usually sits in the lower bleachers against the rail. With his cohorts, they can raise quite a ruckus. According to "Carl's Crew", no King's player has ever committed a foul or any violation. Ever!  lol...  And the opponents, why they should have all fouled out before the 1st timeout.

Methinks Kings will win  this Saturday.

To me, the key will be to contain Ohlson----a very strong underrated PG. He can shoot it a bit, penetrate and is quite physical.
Second, if Kings should match up man to man, I would have Ryan Nensteil on Stricker. He has the foot speed and quickness to neutralize that big first step.
Third, if Kings zones, I would  prevent Streaky Strickzy from getting any good looks. 

Kings appears to have a size and depth edge. The Monarch rotation has no weak links and they can all shoot the ball.

And CC...thanks for the links. I will check them out.

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ronk on February 24, 2007, 01:49:01 AM
   There was some great bball in the EBL in the mid-60s when I was watching. There were only 8/9 teams in the NBA so everyone else played in the EBL including the players banned from the NBA for pointshaving.
    Wilkes-Barre had a great backcourt of Levern Tart/Larry Jones/Larry Costello with Paul Silas thrown in; Jim Boeheim was a reserve with Scranton; Paul Arizin(1 of the NBA's 50 greatest) played rather than move to the west coast when the warriors went to San Fran.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on February 24, 2007, 07:49:48 AM
Ronk:  Can you imagine one of todays NBA players doing what Arizin did?  I believe he had a good job with IBM in the Philly area at the time, and made the decision to stay, and play on the weekends with the Camden Bullets.   He was along in his career at the time, but stiill had one of the best jump shots in the games history.   He perfected the shot with great form, jumping straight up, shoulders always squared to the basket, classic release and rotation, and nothing but net.  I remember him being a strong guy, and the constant bumps and shoves in this rough league, would very seldom break his concentration and form.  A lot of (and ones).  His one handed jumper was one of the first of its kind, coming at a time when a lot of guys still used the two handed set shot, (Larry Costello comes to mind).  A NBA Hall of Famer playing in a weekend league for the love of the game.  What a story!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on February 24, 2007, 08:17:21 AM
Naismith:  I agree that Ohlson is a very good point guard and a tough defender but if DeS plays man, I think Kings can take advantage of his lack of size and post up their bigger guards down in the paint and go to work.   Strickzy is a lot like Welsh of King's.  If they get hot, its lights out, and they can give their team a good run and momentum.   I really like R. Nensteil the few times I've seen him.  His size, ball handling skills, court awareness, defense and rebounding, could create match up problems for DeS.  He seems to have a little bit of everything in his game.  The thing I like the most is that he seems totally unafraid to take the clutch shot.  As Raft says,  "he's got onions".  I still think the key is Scalzo and Sobo having good games and containing Stricker.  I believe the key to the Monarchs is Cousart.  He's their quarterback and glue of the team.  DeS has to disrupt and take him out of his control game.   I'm still sticking with the Monarchs in a close one.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 24, 2007, 08:46:38 AM
This is to answer Saratoga in the "Landmark League" site when he said Wilkes had some practically unheard of schools to play next season - just think Sara, you have Goucher & Merchant Marine - just go & knock yourselves out!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 24, 2007, 10:11:58 AM
Toga, looks like you made another friend. ;D

Nais, if I'm King of the Karma, check out Kate. She's Queen of the Karma.
Of course, I lost two points yesterday because I made bad, bad on the Landmark Board by firing back at some sarcastic CAC'er.
Ooops, there goes another point.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 24, 2007, 10:28:20 AM
Kate: At least the U.S.M.M.A. has been to an Elite 8 fairly recently...ask the Wilkes faithful if they remember them. Beside Scranton, Wilkes & Kings(recently), & Lyco once(about 5 years ago)...who else from the MAC Freedom has been to the NCAA's? Every league has certain teams that struggle somewhat...but, often times all that can change in literally one year if the right combination of kids are brought in & most importantly...they STAY for all 4 years. Retention of student-athletes at Goucher will not be a problem...it has been an issue at a number of Freedom institutes of higher learning.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 24, 2007, 11:02:42 AM
CC,

I karmastized the Kween Kate so now the polls are even (-18) each.


Is karmastized karmatically korrect??

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 24, 2007, 11:20:55 AM
CC: I certainly hope for funs sake at the very least... you do not hold true to your recent post & decline to share thoughts, laughs & history on the Landmark site. What's that all about anyway? SirJames: Kate is the most loyal DVC fan out there...not so much into the mens game as the womens...but, she certainly brings a passion to fanhood. At times she can be somewhat misguided in her reasoning...but overall, a very true-blue fan of the game & of her adopted school. Not a big fan of the recent MAC defections though!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 24, 2007, 12:29:29 PM
Thanks, Sara - you hit the nail on the head.  Does that date me? :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 24, 2007, 05:16:56 PM
YES!!!!!!!!!!

More analysis coming in the later hours.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 24, 2007, 07:11:24 PM
Toga,
Re Karma Kween Kate,

Just helping out our local Karma King.....Certainly want him to maintain his #1 status...
But, as some hoop guru noted, "It Ain't Over Til the Fat Lady Posts...I mean Sings".

Leo,
Congrats on the big win this afternoon.


Well played contest.
From my viewpoint,

1)was a game of streaks.--both teams suffered scoring droughts....


2) Ryan Nensteil clearly the difference maker. His burst in the first half (must have had 11-13 pts in a row?)
DeSales had no one to guard him as he literally was a scoring machine. It was also his late 2nd half 3 as the game tightened that ended a  5 to 6 minute scoring drought.

3) Cousart was contained by Braswell. He had on spurt where he scored about 7-9 pts. JC also had a number of turnovers and did not resemble the pg we saw Wed. night.

4) The inside guys-Scalzo Nensteil Sobo-did a nice job ....but I thought Stricker and Lapinski played them pretty well. Kofi played well. Welsh & Sobocinski had 'quiet' games. (Vince did score some and was his usual physical presence).

5) For DeSales, Ohlson was his usual solid presence. Made too few drives to the basket imho but worked the offense...(.Kings played zone for the entire game I think..).DeSales tended to pound the ball in low and hope for the best. They also used the skip pass to try to free up for the 3. It worked but I don't think their shooting percentage was all that high.  PS is one tough inside player. Tireless worker who goes strong to the basket. Lapinski gave the Bulldogs a solid effort. I was very impressed with Braswell. Played Cousart straight up most of the game and did a nice job containing JC's drives, curls etc. Was not afraid to take his shot and demonstrated some nice moves to the bakset and range. Although he missed a game tying 3, he also was fouled on another 3 (made 2 of 3 pressure ft's). Am looking for big things down the road.
Krickzy didn't do much. McCloskey (who JZ kept calling Krickzy) fouled out. Sedale Walton was 'quiet'. He was victimized by Nensteil in the first half as he was just too small to guard him.

Overall, a well played game. Think the better team won.

More later ...

Naismith

PS..
Both student sections performed admirably!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 24, 2007, 08:55:06 PM
WHAT???????????????
I put the King's radio station on around 7:15 and get the women's game. Now I go on a profanity-laced explosion only to hear the King's kid say that the men won their game THIS AFTERNOON.
I think I should pay closer attention to the press released that filter in, or maybe I took it for granted that the game was being played at night.
Prediction: King's will win, 67-64. Book it!!

Leo. I can't wait to hear your unbiased analysis, but after finding out the game was already played, I talked with a reporter that covered it, but feel free to lend your side of it. I need a bit of humor.
By the way, I called it last year and I'll call it again: The Freedom winner will get clocked in the NCAA's, especially if they have to play on the road.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on February 24, 2007, 09:29:44 PM
R.Nensteil is going to victimize a lot of players in this league next year.   He scored 12 points in a about 5 minutes in the first half to get Kings going in the first half.  A matchup nightmare ,who nobody on DeS could guard.  Stricker is a beast inside, with a combination of moves, causing foul trouble for the entire Kings front line.  Scalzo fouled out and Sobo had 4 and Big Bob Nenstiel had his share of hacks.  Braswell short armed first of three foul shots, and missed open look, game tying three at the end, but this freshman is a future star.  He was my runner up for ROY and he is silky smooth with his game.  I was wondering why R. Nenstiel was on the bench for so long, especially at crunch time.  I noticed him looking at Coach JP during time out late in the game.  He wasn't a happy camper.  If I'm coaching, this kid is starting and he's playing a lot.  Great win for the Monarchs, but it didn't seem right w/o the Colonels in the mix.   As they used to say in Brooklyn, "wait till next year".( lol).
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 24, 2007, 09:58:43 PM
LJK,

Couldn't agree more with yur assessment.
RN was the MVP of the 2 games I saw.

JP kept him on the bench the last 6 minutes of the Wilkes game after he nailed a couple of 3's, converted a steal into a dunk and made a conventional 3 pt play.
If JC doesn't get the shooters bounce on the late ft and DeSales converts for the win, there would be alot more people asking why no RN in crunch time.

It seems he likes to play him with his brother Bob N....so he has left the starting 5 intact and brings the N's off the bench with Welsh.
But, with his production and skills, he has to see 30 minutes plus.....

Imagine the starting frontline next year will be Sobo, Scalzo and RN.....With JC, Kofi and JW swinging....a pretty formidable lineup.

And, yes, Braswell looks like the real deal. He may have been the best 'athlete' on the floor this afternoon.

Two questions:
I was seated near the Kings bench.
Late 2nd half:
1) Ohlson bounce passes into post in front of Kings student section. Sobo and Stricker fall. Ball appears to have been deflected. Kings gets ball. Did you see who defelected it? Ohlson was pretty animated.
2) Stricker attempts baseline drive from in front of Kings student section. He and Sobo collide. Both go down. Ref calls ball out of bounds to Kings???  Any opinion?? I was too far away to tell.

Naismith
Title: Congrats
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 24, 2007, 11:56:27 PM
Congratulations to you King's College folks on a Freedom Conference Championship.

Great game to watch today...fans (of both teams) were terrific (by witness of the standing ovation the players got by EVERYONE in attendance with 16.7 seconds left).

Bulldogs came up just short today.  Lots of fine performances from them gives me hope they'll have a nice run at their first title next season.

I'll be at D3baseball.com if your looking for me.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on February 25, 2007, 12:07:59 AM
It seemed liked forever for the ref to blow the whistle on the play that you were referring too.  Stricker and Sobo both hit the deck and were laying there waiting for the delayed call.  The usual mild mannered Steady Eddy Ohlson got really ticked off because he made his usual on the money entry pass down low and then things went awry.  I, too , was confused on the call, there was no foul called, and I dont know if ref called out of bounds or a traveling violation on the play.  Again , I don't think this officiating crew had a great day.  What do you think?  I'll tell you what, you were right about Ohlson, he's a great little point guard whose totally unflappable except when two guys are  laying on top of each other and there is no call for the longest time. ( lol).  I walked away thinking a few things. R.Nensteil is the real deal and he deserves more playing time.  I don't get JPs thinking on this.  Another thing I admired is how hard Stricker works on the offensive end.  He is content working down low in the box, an old school baller, and a real banger.  You see so many big men nowadays enamored with the 3 pointer and it is so refreshing to see this guy work down in the blocks.  Also, Braswell is going to be tough the next few years.   Finally, I was asking around about CC rumour about Shovlin attending classes again at Wilkes and nobody had heard anything but they would let me know in the future.  I'm still hearing about Wilkes strong interest in point guard from Wyoming Valley Conference.  Have you heard anything?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chizwiz on February 25, 2007, 12:43:52 AM
Just one thing to say here - Messiah does not deserve to go to the tourney this year.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 25, 2007, 08:58:47 AM
LJK,

Officials:

They were ok...not great....game was pretty physical inside and those calls can be tough to make.
Thought they fouled out Scalzo on an obvious academy award flop.
They callled a pretty loose game 1st half (6 fouls each and no one shot a bonus)
In the 2nd half Kings had 7 fouls at the 12 min. mark and DeSales wasn't far behind. Much more tightly called.

Ohlson had pretty efficient game (8 assists)- didn't see a box score so I am not sure of his to's.
Cousart had about 3 assists and I can recall as many to's ....

As for recruits, Coach JR is always on the road looking for talent.
The local player is probably the worst kept secret. I think the coach has attended many of his games and, thus, the rumor.
My understanding is that this player is giving Wilkes strong consideration but who knows for sure??
As to CS, I haven't asked around on that one. A neighbor of his (and a big GAR fan) had told me that he planned to enroll at LCC to make up some credits and come back in the fall. 
I have heard absolutely nada from Wilkes.....coaches, players, administration, students, janiors, security forces.........nothing at all on the subject.
Trout season is in April and I think CC is doing some fishing...lol

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 25, 2007, 09:05:47 AM
Quote from: chizwiz on February 25, 2007, 12:43:52 AM
Just one thing to say here - Messiah does not deserve to go to the tourney this year.


Chiz,

Thanks for that important news.
Made my day.

What's that quote from Kerry you highlight,

"If you don't (study) you get stuck in the PAC"????...lol
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 25, 2007, 09:32:01 AM
Nais, you forgot to check in with the cafeteria staff. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wb1313 on February 25, 2007, 09:42:10 AM
Just wanted to let Toga know that his best friend is still here, just watching the action from the sidelines.   ;D

Congrats to King's...still a college but hopefully one that will represent the MAC in fine fashion.  Any guesses on who the first round opponent will be? (obviously I could wait but the speculation game is a ton of fun!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bziadie on February 25, 2007, 10:10:06 AM
Great game, great atmosphere, thanks to all the people who came out from both sides and were vocal and enthused the whole game. A fantiastic environment to be in.  The two bus loads of DeSales students were fantastic and it was great they showed up. Both student sections were fantastic, you should have been here Bill.

Great basketball played by two teams who play the right way - total team play and unselfishness with a number of players on each side able to step up and make the difference at any time.

Stricker is a beast and plays with passion and heart all the time.  About 20-25 minutes after the game he was still in the gym and I went over him to congratulate him on his play and tell him that he is a great player.  He was still so devastated over the loss that when he tried to respond to what I had said, he just could not get whatever he wanted to say to come out of his mouth and his emotions were out on his sleeve.  I felt really bad for him at that very moment, and even a tad guilty for saying anything, but at the same time it gave me an even greater appreciation of him because anyone who was hurting that bad wanted to win even more. That type of desire and passion for the game deserves to be admired.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chizwiz on February 25, 2007, 10:47:06 AM
Quote from: naismith on February 25, 2007, 09:05:47 AM
Quote from: chizwiz on February 25, 2007, 12:43:52 AM
Just one thing to say here - Messiah does not deserve to go to the tourney this year.


Chiz,

Thanks for that important news.
Made my day.

What's that quote from Kerry you highlight,

"If you don't (study) you get stuck in the PAC"????...lol
I only like a PAC school.  I think my alma mater hires alums from your school to run our plant operations.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 25, 2007, 11:09:39 AM
wb: Where the heck have you been...you've missed the whole season.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 25, 2007, 11:38:40 AM
" only like a PAC school.  I think my alma mater hires alums from your school to run our plant operations"

Chiz,

I guess those alums didn't study....so they sent them to IPAQ.....????

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 25, 2007, 01:16:27 PM
Yesterday's game was everything that is good about college baseketball, two teams playing their hearts out being cheered on by a gym full of rabid supporters.  One of the greatest things I ever saw that gym took place when the entir crowd rose to their feet with 16 secs left.  What a scene...

As for the game, King's did what they needed to do.  R. Nenstiel went off, and he's been showing that potential explosiveness for the past two weeks.  The thing with Nenstiel is on fire like that, he tries to do too much.  That's when he starts forcing shots and makes questionable passes.  It's just not King's style to have one player run the whole show out there, this team wins because they play team basketball.

As for Stricker, other than getting everyone of King's bigs in foul trouble, I thought they did a decent job of containing him in the second half.  I said it would be a battle, and Soboleski met the challenge.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 25, 2007, 02:08:39 PM
Projections put King's in the Atlantic Regional as a 5 seed against Lincoln (4).  Question... how is the Middle Atlantic Corporation - Freedom winner NOT placed in the Middle Atlantic Region?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on February 25, 2007, 02:30:21 PM
Nais:  Janitors are great sources.  They never sweep anything under the rug and are always looking for more dirt.  (lol).
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 25, 2007, 04:24:09 PM
"The thing with Nenstiel is on fire like that, he tries to do too much.  That's when he starts forcing shots and makes questionable passes. "

And just how many shots did he miss? 1  That's right 8 for 9 and 100% behind the arc.  3 for 3.

Yeah, he really forced that one miss....ho  ho   ho

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 25, 2007, 05:02:54 PM
No its not the point of missing shots, which he didn't.  There were a few times down the court which he made some bad passes and turned the ball over a few times.  Thus why he made the sub...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chizwiz on February 25, 2007, 11:07:12 PM
Quote from: naismith on February 25, 2007, 11:38:40 AM
" only like a PAC school.  I think my alma mater hires alums from your school to run our plant operations"

Chiz,

I guess those alums didn't study....so they sent them to IPAQ.....????


That was a little over my head.  I think you were trying to do a play on words there.  Whatever, but I'm giving you a karma plus for that.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 26, 2007, 09:38:13 AM
Well, King's fans, there's good news, and there's bad news.

Good news: You open at home on Thursday, against a 14-12 Widener team.

Bad news: Winner get the honor of playing #3, 25-2 Amherst, at their place on Saturday.  After a bye.  And coming off a loss.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on February 26, 2007, 10:33:28 AM
Col:  Sounds like one and done for the Monarchs but you never know.    Leo:  Are you saying that R.Nensteil has too much talent for this team oriented King's squad and  that he can't incorporate his many skills into the system.  I don't follow your reasoning.   When a guy is as hot as he was on Saturday, you ride him all day long, until he cools off, and you certainly dont let him cool off on the bench.  The only downside I saw in his game Sat was that he had a tendency to leave his feet and get caught in the air a few times but even then he still made the nice pass.  However, 8 out of 9 and 3 of 3, as Nais points out, c'mon, he should have been in there more.  JP doesn't miss much and I'm sure he had his reasons for taking out his hottest guy.  The fact is Kings ended up cutting down the nets anyway, but I still remember the quizzical look in RN eyes during a 2nd half time out, as if to say, there is no one on this team that can guard me, and I'm on fire.   As Fogerty says "Put me in coach, I"m ready to play".
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wb1313 on February 26, 2007, 11:04:28 AM
Toga,  Now that i'm down in Catholic country i've ducked out of MAC discussions for the most part.  Plus, I took a beating the last time I was on here...so my bruised ego retreated to the sideline..lol  ;D

If...and I definitely need to stress the IF...King's can get by Amherst the bracket is winnable...but that's still a BIG IF.  Leo...this is definitely a pretty exciting draw for you I would think.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Jimmy Mac on February 26, 2007, 03:23:33 PM
hey guys, I've been surfin D3hoops.com for a while but never knew there was a message board here. I'm the former play by play announcer for King's College... good to see there's a board with this much interest in D-III basketball, my team, my conference no less.

I'm happy with the bracket, although if King's gets past Widener I have a feeling Amherst is going to be a tough draw.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 26, 2007, 04:52:48 PM
Quote from: Jimmy Mac on February 26, 2007, 03:23:33 PM
hey guys, I've been surfin D3hoops.com for a while but never knew there was a message board here. I'm the former play by play announcer for King's College... good to see there's a board with this much interest in D-III basketball, my team, my conference no less.
I'm happy with the bracket, although if King's gets past Widener I have a feeling Amherst is going to be a tough draw.

Hey Nais, it's Joe Greis!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 26, 2007, 05:01:28 PM
Oh, OK. :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Jimmy Mac on February 26, 2007, 05:04:43 PM
eh, no.   ;)

my username is a derivative of my real name, actually.

anyway, i'm very excited about the game on thursday. I wish I could broadcast it, but since I took the semester off this year I haven't gotten the opportunity to do as many broadcasts as I'd like to. I wish King's could have done it last year, that would have been awesome. But, whether I'm behind the mic or sitting in the stands, I really hope the Monarchs can ride this all the way to Virginia.

and speaking of broadcasting, Pat Coleman, I have a car now (equaling reliable transportation and whatnot) so, even though it's probably too late for this year's tourney, I'll get some demos in for next year. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 26, 2007, 05:06:55 PM
LJK,

I'm pretty sure he was taken out because he made two bad passes in a row, and thus JP needed to cut out the turnovers.  RN is great, may be the best shooter on the team.  When he's making good decisions, he may be the best guy on the court.  Look at the improvement in this season alone.

As for the draw, I'm happy King's still playing.  Can't overlook Widener, but its nice to have one more home game in front of the rabid crowd against a team King's has already seen before.  And as for Amherst, we'll see, they still have to get past Widener first.  Momentum plays a big part in this tournament, it did two years ago.  All I know is the Monarchs are confident and feeling good right now, we'll see how far it can take them.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 27, 2007, 01:01:29 AM
Wow, we're in the presence of either Garfield or The Fonz...

King's fans, I give your boys the benefit of the doubt in the Widener game.  Widener did end the regular season with a worse record than Wilkes.  And King's beat Widener by 13 in November.

But that Amherst game?  I defer to ColdCase's analysis.  MAC-F teams get throttled in the NCAAs.  I'll set the spread at 22.5 points.  That's just a bad spot.  WB - you're an idiot on this one.  They don't get by Amherst. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Jimmy Mac on February 27, 2007, 04:03:11 AM
I seem to remember no one giving King's a shot against Ramapo a couple years ago. Lol I'm sure if I searched hard enough I could find what you guys said about it on this thread. Point is, anything can happen in the tournament... what are Amherst's strengths?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wb1313 on February 27, 2007, 09:56:58 AM
I think the good Colonel has been working too many overnights and slipping a few too many pills!  I did put a very large hypothetical IF..;) 

Look at the bracket...if the ghosts of MAC Freedom teams of the past are awakened and King's pulls the miracle, Virginia is a possibility...

If by chance that happens I have quite the head start from Freedom country.

(I did pick Amherst for the finals in the D3hoops pool..but i'm a MAC shill on the women's side...just for the record!)

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on February 27, 2007, 01:48:33 PM
Just wanted to wish the FDU Devils luck as they open the ECAC tournament tonight. They have a rather tough draw, NJAC tournament runner-up New Jersey City at their place....
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 27, 2007, 04:18:14 PM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on February 27, 2007, 01:01:29 AMBut that Amherst game?  I defer to ColdCase's analysis.  MAC-F teams get throttled in the NCAAs.  I'll set the spread at 22.5 points.  That's just a bad spot.  WB - you're an idiot on this one.  They don't get by Amherst. 

I posted last year that the Freedom winner will be blitzed in the NCAA's and they did. I said the same thing this year, but I wasn't aware King's would get a home game versus a 14-12 them they already beat.
The projections had them playing at Lincoln, where I felt they would have gotten handled.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 27, 2007, 05:13:23 PM
I took a look at Amherst site (looking ahead a bit...yes)----
They don't appear to have any glaring weaknesses.

Thier PG was nominated for the Cousy Award (only 2 DIII nominees).
His assist to turnovers:  200 to 76 with 32 steals and a 10pt scoring average.
He is listed 6' 3" .

Team wise, Amherst shoots over 50% from the field and over 40% from behind the arc. They held  opponents to .375. They average 81.2 versus 59 for opponents.

No big scorer. 13.8 is the highest average. Probably means the bench has played often as Amherst won many lopsided contests.

They outsteal, outrebound, outassist, outshoot etc etc their opponents by wide margins.

Somehow, I think Kings may have to abandon their preferred zone against this squad and hope for the best. (they have 2 3pt. guys that hit over 60%----limited shots but still......) .

On paper, Amherst looks very very tough but that is why they only lost twice. Those 2 losses, however, came in their last 4 games!!. So, one never knows...

First task is Thursday.
What we do know is that we don't know which Kings team will show on Thursday.

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bziadie on February 27, 2007, 05:36:24 PM
In all due respect Nais, I was checking their site yesterday and a few corrections of minor consequence. I am a curious guy as well.

Their 5-10 point guard Andrew Olson is the finalist for the Cousy Award.
http://www.amherst.edu/sports/current/m-bball/0202_olsonbobcousy.html

Their 6-4 small forward Dan Wheeler is a finalist for the Josten's Trophy
http://www.amherst.edu/sports/current/m-bball/0221_wheeler_Josten's.html

Double your trouble with these two. Obviously two very prestigious awards so they are without question top-flight players.  That program has been outstanding as they have been in the D-3 Final four in two of the last three years, not counting this season.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2007, 07:25:57 PM
Quote from: naismith on February 27, 2007, 05:13:23 PM
Thier PG was nominated for the Cousy Award (only 2 DIII nominees).
His assist to turnovers:  200 to 76 with 32 steals and a 10pt scoring average.
He is listed 6' 3" .

Andrew Olson is listed at 5-10 in every Amherst program I have and that is accurate.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 27, 2007, 09:05:48 PM
twenty lashes....lol

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 27, 2007, 09:07:26 PM
Hey BZ,

If the Monarchs win Thurs.,  are there any roadtrippers heading to Mass.?  (achusetts)....

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 28, 2007, 04:14:24 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2007, 07:25:57 PM
Quote from: naismith on February 27, 2007, 05:13:23 PM
Thier PG was nominated for the Cousy Award (only 2 DIII nominees).
His assist to turnovers:  200 to 76 with 32 steals and a 10pt scoring average.
He is listed 6' 3" .

Andrew Olson is listed at 5-10 in every Amherst program I have and that is accurate.

Great news, because this season, King's is 2-1 against teams with PG's named Olson. (spelling?)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Jimmy Mac on February 28, 2007, 08:10:02 AM
Eddie Ohlson. Lol something about Olsons or Ohlsons being small, the Desales version is only 5-8.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on February 28, 2007, 08:12:46 AM
Nobody breaks a game down like the Colonel.  (lol).
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bziadie on February 28, 2007, 09:47:13 AM
For those who may be interested in watching the game but are unable to attend, King's will be videostreaming an on-campus broadcast of the game live on the internet.

The game will videostreamed live on the internet by KCTV LIVE at http://my.kings.edu.  The NCAA's official championship Web site, www.ncaasports.com, shall also provide a link to the event.

If you go to the King's link above, click on KCTV LIVE on the lower right hand side of the page, click on the KCTV LIVE link. 



Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bziadie on February 28, 2007, 09:50:54 AM
Nais,

It is my understanding that should King's be fortunate enough to advance to the second round, there would be a fan bus booked to go up to Amherst.  No details at this time but will post if things play out that way.

Widener is bringing a fan bus on Thursday so hopefully there will be a lot of engery for both sides in Scandlon.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Jimmy Mac on February 28, 2007, 02:13:20 PM
like the first rounder against Albright two years back. They brought their band and everything. Couldn't have asked for a better game either, King's win included.

Btw, I've noticed now that's twice in a row King's has gotten paired against the Commonwealth winner, is that coincidence or does the NCAA not want the possibility of two MAC teams in the second round?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2007, 02:42:54 PM
They want to be seen as two separate conferences and receive two separate bids from the NCAA. If they want two separate bids they are not going to get protection from each other in the first round.

Each of the last two years the MAC Commonwealth has put two teams in the field. They got two teams in the second round last year anyway. :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bziadie on February 28, 2007, 04:57:01 PM
The King's-Albright matchup was actually a second-round affair in 2005 as the Monarchs received a first-round bye while Albright played on Thursday.

Albright beat Mt. St. Mary's that year in the first round.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Jimmy Mac on March 01, 2007, 12:50:01 AM
whoops. I forgot we had a bye there  :(

tomorrow night (technically tonight) is going to be awesome. the only thing that upsets me is that the meat of the tournament occurs on King's spring break... if we advance far enough.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on March 01, 2007, 09:37:12 AM
Quote from: ljk on February 28, 2007, 08:12:46 AM
Nobody breaks a game down like the Colonel.  (lol).

That, right there, is why I was the best color man in the Freedom for 01-02 and 02-03... y'know, when WCLH could get us on.  Anyone can break down the merits of box-and-1 vs. man-to-man against a team with a dominant small forward.  I contribute stuff like, "Since the turn of the millennium, only Lycoming and Scranton have won Freedom league titles in even years.  Look for that to change in '08."
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on March 01, 2007, 10:49:57 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on March 01, 2007, 09:37:12 AMSince the turn of the millennium, only Lycoming and Scranton have won Freedom league titles in even years.  Look for that to change in '08."

You really went out on a limb with that prediction. For sale; Four Super Bowl XLI programs. Were $15 each, now selling them for $10.

By the way, how do I apply for the Landmark position?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2007, 12:21:25 PM
Quote from: cold_case on March 01, 2007, 10:49:57 AM
By the way, how do I apply for the Landmark position?

I would suggest using a false name. :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on March 01, 2007, 12:30:55 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2007, 12:21:25 PMI would suggest using a false name. :)

Good point.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on March 01, 2007, 04:14:06 PM
CC,

re/ the Super bowl Programs:

what else u got?
put together a package and give me a call....

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on March 01, 2007, 08:38:56 PM
To quote Leo: WOW, WOW, WOW, YES!!!!
Another post-game scene with security taking the court. Hmmmm.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on March 01, 2007, 09:16:57 PM
CC,

Today is your day.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on March 01, 2007, 09:19:05 PM
CC: I did not attend the game at Kings...but, I did just get a call from a friend that did & he said it got pretty ugly at the end with fights spilling outside their gym & even in the lobby area. They waited upstairs till it seemed to calm down...I guess I'll hear more about it later. How bad from your vantage point or just another game at Kings?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on March 01, 2007, 09:28:54 PM
I was at the game.
I meandered out chatting with a few zebras in attendance and others.
I didn't notice anything.
As I was leaving, however, I sensed some type of confrontation was brewing just outside the gym door.
I was lomg gone by then....

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on March 01, 2007, 09:36:10 PM
Quote from: saratoga on March 01, 2007, 09:19:05 PM
CC: I did not attend the game at Kings...but, I did just get a call from a friend that did & he said it got pretty ugly at the end with fights spilling outside their gym & even in the lobby area. They waited upstairs till it seemed to calm down...I guess I'll hear more about it later. How bad from your vantage point or just another game at Kings?

Perhaps we have the same friend. I listened to the game on radio then my buddy called me directly from the gym floor as the scene unfolded. He said it was like the FDU game when their fans were the ones scrutinized by the authorities. He did say that this time it had nothing to do with the visiting fans.
I don't know what else I can tell you, although he did say something else which I won't post. :-X
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on March 01, 2007, 09:38:59 PM
Quote from: naismith on March 01, 2007, 09:28:54 PMI sensed some type of confrontation was brewing just outside the gym door.
I was lomg gone by then....
Naismith

Nais, you were on your fifth beer by then. ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on March 01, 2007, 09:39:49 PM
Sir James: What's the breakdown of the game? Is Widener far better than their record? Where did Kings stumble?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on March 01, 2007, 09:49:06 PM
Quote from: bziadie on March 01, 2007, 09:44:45 PMHey Saratoolbox:......you have the personality of a cactus.

Saratoolbox? LOLOLOLOLOL. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Have to admit, the Zadster got you with that one.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on March 01, 2007, 09:57:58 PM
Bob: You've been body-slammed one too many times. I guess when the going gets tough...make it personal & ad-lib. You've had far too many of those cactus needles up your backside all year. Time to see a doctor. You're a class act all the way!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on March 01, 2007, 10:14:45 PM
As to the contest:

A super first half with both teams making shots.
36-36.
Keys were Ryan Nensteil, Kofi and Scalzo. They pretty much did all the scoring for Kings.
For Widener, M. Thomas, Essien Ford and Terry Smith were collectively a handful. PG Bobby Edmunds was very savvy for a freshman.

In the 2nd half, Widener continued to shoot well with Edmunds hitting some long range 3's. Douglas gave them a lot of energy and N. Miller some solid defense. Kings would only manage 20 pts. over the first 17:30 of 2nd half which was pretty much the story or maybe I shuld say 'ugly much' the story. . The Monarchs shooting touch deserted them. The ballhandling was a bit shaky and the defense broke down time after time.
Simply put, they got beat by a better team tonight.

As far as strategy, both teams opened man to man which surprised me from Kings end. Widener pressured the ball to halfcourt with a 'soft' press and then played a pretty lax man to man. When Kings went to zone (around 13 min. mark) Edmonds drained two quick jumpers. Probably the most exciting play was the Thomas baseline dunk over Sobocinski early first half.
Kobi and RN kept Kings in the game and actually leading 1st half. Again, despite his hot shooting, RN was replaced at the 6:26
mark????   Leo????

 
In the 2nd half, Widener started out with the same soft press and played some zone. Widener had some early fouls 2nd half and the game seemed to be setting up for Kings to make a run. The Monarchs were consistently trying to pound it in low with some success.

Then, it just kind of happened. Kings went cold from the field, turned it over once or twice etc. and Widener jumped out to a 55-47 lead with 10:23 to go. From there, they just slowly built on the lead: 58-48 @8:41, 62-48@7:39, 68-56 @ 2:49........
I don't think Kings got it under 10.

the bottome line:
Widener did an excellent job in the interior...quicker, knocking balls loose, blocking shots etc.
Widener was able to score iniside and out....
Sobo did not handle Smith.
Sobocinski could not stay with Thomas who literally had his choice of shots.
Edmonds played very smart for a frosh and has great range on his shot. Kept the Kings defense honest.
Ford could also create his shot at will....and boy he can shoot.

Speed kills so they say and Wideners overall team speed was just too much for the Monarchs.
Kofi had a terrific game for Kings and RN played well. Scalzo played tough inside.
The rest of team was pretty quiet. Cousart could get nothing done and picked up some garbage points in the last minute.
I'm not sure Bob N. or Jim Welsh or Vince S scored at all.... have to check a box score.

Anyway, a very nice season for the Monarchs. Just wasn't their night.
Widener looked impressive and I wish them luck in Taxachusetts......

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on March 01, 2007, 10:45:19 PM
Saratoga,

This will probably surprise Chiz......Spoke with a Widener fan postgame. told me Messiah was the BEST team he had seen
all year... Widener beat them in double OT. Widener had previously lsot to Messiah twice during the regualr season.

Widener made the Sweet 16 last year. (they were 23-6 last year).

Thomas was a 1st team all conference and Ford a 2nd teamer.
Seems they shot around 60% versus Messiah  and made 6 of 7 in the OT's.
They shot over 50% tonight
Pretty tough to overcome.

1st game: Kings jumped out to a 14 pt. 1/2 lead and shot nearly 50% for game (just under).
Kings made 9-21 3's and 25-27 from the line.
Widener was 21 for 29 from the line and shot 42% for the game.
1-8 1st half 3's and 29% for game.

That totally turned around tonight.
Kings was:
6-23 on 3's.
22-55 from the field
13-19 from the line.

Widener:

15-23 from the line
27-55 from the field
7-19 from the arc

Checked the box, Bob N, Vince S and Jimmy W= 0 points.

Naismith


Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on March 02, 2007, 02:44:07 AM
For the Pardon the Interruption fans out there:

It's Happy Happy time, boys and girls.  Get excited.

Happy 45th Birthday to Jon Bon Jovi.  Good music, great concerts.  Only drawback - he's from New Jersey.

Happy Anniversary to Jay Williams.  On this date in 1996, you sank 4 three-pointers in the final minute against Cabrini in the round of 32.  Wilkes went on to the Elite 8 back-to-back, and you got on SportsCenter.  Greatest March 2nd basketball moments: this is first, Wilt's 100 point effort in Hershey is 2nd.

And Happy Trails to King's College.  One and done, at home, against a team who was 12-12 in the regular season.  MAC Freedom is now riding a 3 game losing streak in The Big Dance.  King's still has 3 career NCAA wins.  All in 2005.  Maybe now we can get this board discussing what it should - Wilkes of 5-10 years ago.

Good night Canada!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wb1313 on March 02, 2007, 08:25:48 AM
I just hope Leo is ok...we sent some people down to watch the bridges to make sure he didn't jump!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on March 02, 2007, 09:00:19 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on March 02, 2007, 02:44:07 AMHappy Anniversary to Jay Williams.  On this date in 1996, you sank 4 three-pointers in the final minute against Cabrini in the round of 32.  Wilkes went on to the Elite 8 back-to-back, and you got on SportsCenter

CJ, don't forget to post next Friday's anniversary. You know, on that date Wilkes was beaten to a pulp by F&M, 107-70, in a game that was uglier than Sonny Corleone at the toll booth.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 02, 2007, 09:25:27 AM
Quote from: bziadie on March 01, 2007, 09:44:45 PM
Hey Saratoolbox:

One fight at halftime, broken up quickly, it take two to tango so enough with your typical grade-school cheap shots. When are you gonna grow up and let go of the sophomoric garbage that you are so well-versed at.  Nothing worse that a 60-year old guy going on 16.  It is no wonder your softball teams hated you so much back in the day......you have the personality of a cactus.

Kudos to Widener for simply outplaying King's. They shot 56-percent in the second half and King's defense had no answers over th final 20 minutes. The freshman PG Edmunds had three LONG three-pointers that really did major damage.  King's was just flat-out beat.


Mr. Zadie,

I am sure that there was extra security last night because of the events at the FDU game...correct? Also very nice to represent your insitution by coming on and acting like a 17 year old.


CC,


Is it time to give CJ a break and change your photo on the bottom of your profile?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on March 02, 2007, 09:40:56 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 02, 2007, 09:25:27 AM
CC,
Is it time to give CJ a break and change your photo on the bottom of your profile?

Nah.

Speaking of the Corporal, I'd like to give him high praise for his long standing tradition of being wrong. King's has four NCAA wins, with their initial victory coming against Susquehanna in the early 1990's.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 02, 2007, 09:44:24 AM
Quote from: cold_case on March 02, 2007, 09:40:56 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 02, 2007, 09:25:27 AM
CC,
Is it time to give CJ a break and change your photo on the bottom of your profile?

Nah.

Speaking of the Corporal, I'd like to give him high praise for his long standing tradition of being wrong. King's has four NCAA wins, with their initial victory coming against Susquehanna in the early 1990's.


Right and Pardon the Interuption sucks, okay back to the Landmine.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on March 02, 2007, 12:51:12 PM
Wow, CJ that right there is a 5 star post and WB I did drive over the Pierce St. Bridge a few times last night, but I refrained from leaping. 

As for the game, I will yield to Dr. Naismith's analysis, he's better at breaking it down anyway.  Basically, I said before its all about momentum, and Widener is feeling it right now.  Theses guys are road warriors and they showed it last night.  Great season for the Monarchs though.  This team game along way from a week in December where they were demolished by ETown and DeSales and survived a scare against the Baptists. 

Now onto a more personal note...

I have tried my best (and failed in the past two weeks) of hiding my identity on this forum.  For the past four years I have seen every King's game from the scorer's table.  It was absolute pleasure to work in that position and a joy to be associated with a great group of guys playing and coaching at King's.  There are some on this board that take themselves way too seriously.  The bottom line is, none of us play college basketball, and those that did are long removed from their playing days.

I will defend King's College and the team til the day I die.  Alot of the stuff said on here is in good fun, but there are some people who think that their institution is a gift from God and King's is all that is evil with college.  Yeah, no one at King's is perfect, we've all screwed up, but we're college students just like the ones on Mulberry St.  Its real easy to point the finger at college students when you're 20+ years removed from those days.  I'm sure everyone here has had a beer before they were legal, everyone probably went to a college party, and everyone probably yelled dumb things in a student section when they were with their friends.  Don't act like you're better than us, because you are not. 

As for my future at this is board, this is probably it.  I'm leaving the are next year and don't know how closely I will be able to follow the team.  But who knows, someday I may be back here reminiscing about the glory days of King's.

Peace
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on March 02, 2007, 01:45:43 PM
Leo, you did put together a great stat sheet each game, that I can attest to.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on March 02, 2007, 06:03:54 PM
Poor Bobby: Do you feel better now that you've shared all your pent up frustrations of inadequecy? We have a clasification in the DSM-IV for this behavior...help is available. I could go on but, there really is no need...your actions speak so much louder than mere words. Jeez, a coach not making everyone happy...at least according to big Bob...now there's something new. But, you wouldn't know anything about that would you...since you've never done it on the college level...just like to keep score right Bob? How pathetic you must really feel inside to think this is the way I can finally make my point...and what a point you've made. By the way, you'd be very lucky indeed if you were I...you'd have a magnificent & beautiful wife, one truly great little girl, you'd have been fortunate enough to coach & coach against wonderful kids, you'd have traveled the world & you would know the difference between right & wrong. Thus far, you have failed miserably. I won't go any further & bring up personal perceptions of the Big Z...the level you've established is beneath anything I've ever seen in my entire 50, 60 or 68 years. I once wondered if there was a direction & mission to the college you work for...after seeing you in action as a representitive of that school...my question has been answered. Time to move on Bob...have a great life & someday it may amount to something other than where you are currently at. And please...keep your hugs & kisses, I'll take my wife any day...save them for whomever. As for your cocktail...shaken or stirred?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on March 03, 2007, 12:49:00 AM
Leo,

Well, I still don't know who you are??

But I have enjoyed your company and commentary here at D3hoops.....And best of luck in your endeavors.....And I am certain you will fare well and that your last post wasn't really your D3 Farewell.
All this even though you stood us up for refreshments at Senunas before and after the games. (and lied about your age)

My e-mail is on board......so if you want to meet a few of us some time for laughs etc. ...it can be arranged.
Of course, CC......who is the D3  Sultan of Sarcasm as well as  Karma King .(but truly a pretty nice lad...lol).......has been waiting for that Old Forge dinner for over a year now..................

Just think of the Rank and Royalty present if we could get a Colonel, Sultan, King, Monarch and a Dr. together at the same time and same table.....

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm-----do you all think the President of the Saratoga Fan Club would attend???
And what if Saratoga himself showed up.....it would be a veritable PICK 6.....

Maybe we could bring in Dr. Phil and have a therapy session. Then again, make sure the County Coroner is on duty...lol

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on March 03, 2007, 03:04:22 AM
Quote from: cold_case on March 02, 2007, 09:00:19 AM
CJ, don't forget to post next Friday's anniversary. You know, on that date Wilkes was beaten to a pulp by F&M, 107-70, in a game that was uglier than Sonny Corleone at the toll booth.

CC - Oh, you mean the game that Wilkes should have hosted, y'know, had F&M's head coach not been on the selection committee?  How, again, does a 25-1 Wilkes team not get to host??  Corruption.  J'accuse!

And the more I think about it, King's got a bye in the first round in '05.  So that was 2 wins, and your game from 1990 (?) still makes 3.  Over that same time, Wilkes has 10 wins in the NCAA's.  Count 'em.  Keep questioning the facts...

And Leo, I as well don't know ya, though I'd imagine Bob Z has pointed me out to you.  The perks of celebrity.  ;)  If there's a get together at Senunas's, you and Naismith have my e-mail.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on March 03, 2007, 07:01:20 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on March 03, 2007, 03:04:22 AMCC - Oh, you mean the game that Wilkes should have hosted, y'know, had F&M's head coach not been on the selection committee?  How, again, does a 25-1 Wilkes team not get to host??  Corruption.  J'accuse!

You really don't want to get me started on F&M's coach being on the selection committee, do you? Or York's head coach, or Alrbight's head coach before that!
In regards to King's, I gave you the benefit of the doubt and took your word that they won three games in 2005. As it turns out, I stand by an earlier remark: Your long standing tradition of being wrong is second to none.
Also, that axe murdering Wilkes absorbed at F&M, was that the year your clock operator got a charley horse is his finger and proceeded to screw Susquehanna in the Freedom playoffs?
Just curious.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 03, 2007, 09:46:35 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on March 03, 2007, 03:04:22 AM
CC - Oh, you mean the game that Wilkes should have hosted, y'know, had F&M's head coach not been on the selection committee?  How, again, does a 25-1 Wilkes team not get to host??  Corruption.  J'accuse!

It sucked that the top two records in the country happened to be in the same region, and one had to travel in the sectionals.  But F&M was also 25-1 heading into the tournament on a slightly tougher schedule than Wilkes.  Rickrode even said it was the right call, by the numbers.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on March 03, 2007, 10:27:30 AM
r.w. mcnickels, are you any relation to r.w. mcquarters? :)
Lots of change dropping on this board.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Jimmy Mac on March 03, 2007, 02:09:36 PM
Quote from: wb1313 on March 02, 2007, 08:25:48 AM
I just hope Leo is ok...we sent some people down to watch the bridges to make sure he didn't jump!

you coulda just watched the Channel 22 traffic cameras on Service Electric.  ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 03, 2007, 03:21:30 PM
Quote from: cold_case on March 03, 2007, 10:27:30 AM
r.w. mcnickels, are you any relation to r.w. mcquarters? :)
Lots of change dropping on this board.

No relation, cold case.  Unfortunately I don't have much change to drop, but if I did, I wouldn't forget the world-famous Freedom board. :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on March 04, 2007, 12:49:10 AM
Leo:  You'll regret leaving us , maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon ,and for the rest of your life.  The problems of this D3 post don't amount to a hill of beans in this world.  Someday, you'll understand that.  Until then, here's looking at you kid.  It's been fun. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: diehardfan on March 04, 2007, 12:53:57 AM
Quote from: ljk on March 04, 2007, 12:49:10 AM
Leo:  You'll regret leaving us , maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon ,and for the rest of your life.  The problems of this D3 post don't amount to a hill of beans in this world.  Someday, you'll understand that.  Until then, here's looking at you kid.  It's been fun. 
:D :D :D :D :D

Man, I would be so lucky to get a funny goodbye like that, any of the times I tried to quit. How can you leave now? ;) 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on March 04, 2007, 03:45:13 AM
Wow, diehardfan's in the house... to what do we owe the honor?  Just go surfing the boards lookin' for Casablanca quotes?

McNickels - couldn't Wilkes have been bumped from "Atlantic" to "Mid-Atlantic" or vice-versa?  My point - it's not like the CAC and MAC-F Champs were in the same regional this year.  Why was there such an obligation that year?  My larger point - if the two best teams are in the same region... move one!  Thanks to that game, any time I hear the name Hans Coppenhoffer I break out into a cold sweat and have nightmares that night.

CC - I'd love to get ya started on G-Rob being on the selection committee... and, I gotta admit, if it's the Susquehanna game I'm thinking of, my only memory of it is Wilkes being down 12-0 early and coming back to win.  There was controversy?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wb1313 on March 04, 2007, 07:34:36 AM
Leo...even though  you think you're leaving you're really not!  You see, this message board is too f'd up to stay away from forever.  What will happen is you'll go the summer and fall and totally forget about it and then hear about King's bball while in some distant hole in the ground and come crawling back to see the ramblings of cj, cc, toga, nepa, et al...   I know it is hard to believe and I will say goodbye for now....but in reality the  allure of D3 basketball is too much to stay away forever. 

On the plus side, I hear Toga has entered sensitivity training so there may be a new nicer toga in the near future  :P (Ok...maybe not after everyone reads his last post..lol)  Do you think Pat would let us sell "We love Toga pins?"  I mean it's a 2 for 1 at college campuses! 

Remember Leo in the immortal words of Animal House: "Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? NO!"

cj...umm cold sweat...umm..don't think we need to know about that :P

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: adam on March 04, 2007, 08:01:01 AM
The Susquehanna game being mentioned is the year Wilkes went to the Final Four.  Wilkes got the ball with between 4 and 5 seconds left if my memory serves me correctly.  Inbounds to Jannuzzi who caught it near midcourt.  Jannuzzi drives to the free throw line when everybody in the building knows he's shooting.  Everyone except for Dave.  Dave dishes to a wide open Scott Cleveland for game winning lay-up at the buzzer.  I'm guessing the question is not whether Cleveland's shot beat the buzzer, that was pretty clear.  Question is when the clock started.  I thought it was pretty fair, but don't take a Wilkes fans word on it.  I was just happy they escaped with the win.  I think overtime may have yielded a Susquehanna win and that would've eliminated the Colonels home court, and most likely, trip to Salem.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on March 04, 2007, 08:12:00 AM
diehardfan, WB:  In regards to leaving the D3 post, remember what Michael Corleone said, "Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in".
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on March 04, 2007, 10:00:58 AM
Sorry Bogie fans, i forgot quotes in my send off to Leo.  I, too, think Leo will return some day.  He brought a lot to the table from the scorers table.  A lot of inside stuff from the undercover man.  You're right Adam, DJ of Wilkes fooled a lot of people more than once, especially with the game on the line.   Everyone thought he would drive and dish , or catch and shoot, but he always caught the opposition and the fans alike off guard.  He was some kind of player!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 04, 2007, 11:08:26 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on March 04, 2007, 03:45:13 AM
McNickels - couldn't Wilkes have been bumped from "Atlantic" to "Mid-Atlantic" or vice-versa?  My point - it's not like the CAC and MAC-F Champs were in the same regional this year.  Why was there such an obligation that year?  My larger point - if the two best teams are in the same region... move one!  Thanks to that game, any time I hear the name Hans Coppenhoffer I break out into a cold sweat and have nightmares that night.

If the same thing happened today, they could try to find a way for both F&M and Wilkes to host because both teams obviously deserved a top seed.  But the NCAA couldn't bump teams to another bracket in '96 because everything was based on regions.  The region hosting the sectionals was predetermined (East at Mid-Atlantic in '96), so the top remaining team after the second round in the Middle Atlantic hosted the sectional.  The previous year, the Northeast hosted the Mid-Atlantic, so F&M had to travel with a 27-1 record.

That's the first Hans Coppenhoffer reference I've heard in a long time.  Another reference I heard this season (at F&M, no less): Labuda the Shoota.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on March 04, 2007, 11:25:08 AM
Adam, there is no doubt he beat the buzzer. Problem is that it should have went off well before the shot. Susquehanna's Frank Marcinek wasn't even paying attention to the game, he was too busy freaking out with the clock being stuck. It was funny to watch him, however.

CJ, finally a smart post. Yeah, Wilkes could have been bumped to another region and should have. You didn't think F&M was going anywhere, did you?
I've got plenty of stories to tell you about the seeds and sites over the years, but I won't talk about it.....yet.
However, since you rankled me with the mention of Glenn Robinson, let me bring up one, ok, two quick stories.
Your dad is a Scranton grad and, I hate to bring his name into this, but ask J. Seitz. Both will confirm these two items.
You know about Scranton's success since the mid-1970's. Well, let me point out two not-so-funny incidents to you. One: Did you know F&M hosted the NCAA Regionals over Scranton five times while Scranton hosted with F&M as a participant just once? They've seen each other at neutral sites but they only played each other four times -- twice in the now terminated regional consolation round, once in an opening round game and another time in the regional final-- all but one was at F&M.
Fair play and honesty? Yeah, right.
Two: You're going to love this one. In 1987, Scranton and Widener each won their respective sections of the MAC (North and South). Widener blew out F&M while Scranton did likewise to E-town at a neutral site. Here's where it gets good. Everybody knew Scranton would host the NCAA's the following week, or so they thought since F&M hosted the previous year. Instead, get this, Widener got the host spot. Not interesting yet? Wait, there's more. Not only did MAC South champ Widener host, but they were the second seed and MAC North champ, Scranton was seeded third. Curious? Let me continue.
F&M got to play No. 1 or 4 Allegheny, nobody to this day is sure who the top seed was. Instead, the two MAC champs played each other with Widener easily winning. Funny who the host school wasn't the top seed.
The format was blatantly setup to avoid having Scranton play F&M, which was the honorable thing to do. Instead, they got exactly what they wanted: an MAC South rematch in the regional final, which Widener won.
I'll never forget this part as long as I live. I was only in my second year with a certain newspaper and called a coach from the southern part of the state, (Not G-Rob) who happened to be on the committee. I asked him to explain the criteria and madness for the selections and site. His answer was as messed up as the pairings and site. "The people in Scranton think they have to host every year, well they don't."
Great answer. Unbelieveable!!!
Of course the story made the paper and all heck broke loose from you know where. There was absolutely no excuse or justification for what happened, yet, the arrogance and politics has continued ever since.
It's funny. Scranton only played in the ECAC's once and guess who hosted? For that matter, King's played in the ECAC's once and guess who rolled out the welcome mat?
What's in store with the newly formed conference? :-X
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: diehardfan on March 04, 2007, 12:16:54 PM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on March 04, 2007, 03:45:13 AM
Wow, diehardfan's in the house... to what do we owe the honor?  Just go surfing the boards lookin' for Casablanca quotes?
Actually, and I know this is going to get me into trouble, I don't like that movie that much. There are parts of it that are good, but it's not my favorite old movie at all. I actually don't like Humphrey Bogart! Probably cause I think he's really ugly!  :-X

I actually lurk on most boards, but don't say anything unless I have something relevant to say. I definitely lurk on the MAC Boards because your collective teams saved me from gouging my eyes out when I lived in DC, thanks to the relative to quality of your teams and the fervor of your fan support. I know these leagues have a TON of great basketball history, and I, for one, am hoping and looking forward to the day when you guys rise again to prominence. 

Quote from: wb1313 on March 04, 2007, 07:34:36 AM
Leo...even though  you think you're leaving you're really not!  ....in reality the  allure of D3 basketball is too much to stay away forever. 
How funny would it be if, every time you signed out of the message board, this message flashed across the screen??  :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on March 04, 2007, 12:33:19 PM
You're all right, I will never really leave, I'll probably lurk for awhile.  But next year I think most of the times I follow the Monarchs will be on King's College Radio streamed over the Internet.  I just won't be able to post immediatley after King's wins anymore, and I know CC so looked forward to those posts.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 04, 2007, 01:40:47 PM
Quote from: cold_case on March 04, 2007, 11:25:08 AM
CJ, finally a smart post. Yeah, Wilkes could have been bumped to another region and should have. You didn't think F&M was going anywhere, did you?

Clearing up '96: Nobody could have been shipped out, even though it would have made sense for both F&M and Wilkes to be top seeds somewhere.  When the D-III tourney had the rotating sectional setup in the '90s, teams had to be kept in their regions.  Lots of teams with great records had to travel in sectionals - the system pretty much sucked.  Now it's different, which is why a matchup like Amherst-Williams was possible in Salem a few years ago.

Wow, the 1980s politics is a different story.  That kind of stuff in any sport at any level makes me sick.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: The Observation Deck on March 05, 2007, 12:13:51 AM
Quote from: cold_case on March 04, 2007, 11:25:08 AM
CJ, finally a smart post. Yeah, Wilkes could have been bumped to another region and should have. You didn't think F&M was going anywhere, did you?
I've got plenty of stories to tell you about the seeds and sites over the years, but I won't talk about it.....yet.
However, since you rankled me with the mention of Glenn Robinson, let me bring up one, ok, two quick stories.
Your dad is a Scranton grad and, I hate to bring his name into this, but ask J. Seitz. Both will confirm these two items.
You know about Scranton's success since the mid-1970's. Well, let me point out two not-so-funny incidents to you. One: Did you know F&M hosted the NCAA Regionals over Scranton five times while Scranton hosted with F&M as a participant just once? They've seen each other at neutral sites but they only played each other four times -- twice in the now terminated regional consolation round, once in an opening round game and another time in the regional final-- all but one was at F&M.
Fair play and honesty? Yeah, right.
Two: You're going to love this one. In 1987, Scranton and Widener each won their respective sections of the MAC (North and South). Widener blew out F&M while Scranton did likewise to E-town at a neutral site. Here's where it gets good. Everybody knew Scranton would host the NCAA's the following week, or so they thought since F&M hosted the previous year. Instead, get this, Widener got the host spot. Not interesting yet? Wait, there's more. Not only did MAC South champ Widener host, but they were the second seed and MAC North champ, Scranton was seeded third. Curious? Let me continue.
F&M got to play No. 1 or 4 Allegheny, nobody to this day is sure who the top seed was. Instead, the two MAC champs played each other with Widener easily winning. Funny who the host school wasn't the top seed.
The format was blatantly setup to avoid having Scranton play F&M, which was the honorable thing to do. Instead, they got exactly what they wanted: an MAC South rematch in the regional final, which Widener won.
I'll never forget this part as long as I live. I was only in my second year with a certain newspaper and called a coach from the southern part of the state, (Not G-Rob) who happened to be on the committee. I asked him to explain the criteria and madness for the selections and site. His answer was as messed up as the pairings and site. "The people in Scranton think they have to host every year, well they don't."
Great answer. Unbelieveable!!!
Of course the story made the paper and all heck broke loose from you know where. There was absolutely no excuse or justification for what happened, yet, the arrogance and politics has continued ever since.

As a result of that and other madness in the 90s it gives me great joy to see F&M under .500.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on March 05, 2007, 07:35:02 AM
Quote from: The Observation Deck on March 05, 2007, 12:13:51 AM
As a result of that and other madness in the 90s it gives me great joy to see F&M under .500.

Yes, there is some Schadenfreude in certain quarters about GRob's
losing season.  :P
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 05, 2007, 09:07:38 PM
Anyone checked the front page of d3hoops.com???
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: MR. PAC on March 05, 2007, 10:21:51 PM
I think the vern would do all right in the mac.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach K on March 06, 2007, 06:15:50 AM
I agree Mr. PAC. If it is the Freedom Conference, they can renew rivalry with DeSales, and establish new ones with King's, Del Val, FDU, and Wilkes. It's probably a step up in class, but Alvernia's staff does a great job recruiting, and will have enough weapons to do more then just compete in the conference.

The 8 teams in the Freedom are now

Alvernia
Misericordia
Manhattanville
DeSales
Wilkes
Kings
FDU
Del Val

Would Alvernia, Miseri and Arcadia, and even DeSales thus be considering other sports like Football, Wrestling or swimming??
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on March 06, 2007, 06:41:25 AM
Coach K: I'm pretty sure Manhattenville is heading to the MAC as well starting in 07'. It would seem from at least a geographic sense that they would be a better fit on the Freedom side. Alvernia may be headed to the Commonwealth side of things so they could have that natural rival in Albright.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 06, 2007, 07:28:46 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on March 04, 2007, 03:45:13 AM
Wow, diehardfan's in the house... to what do we owe the honor?  Just go surfing the boards lookin' for Casablanca quotes?

Her health. She came to the MAC Freedom room for the waters.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach K on March 06, 2007, 11:10:05 AM
Saratoga,

I forgot about Manhattanville, which begs me to ask then why the article would state that they would be offered a spot in the MAC Freedom. What would the complete Commonwealth Lineup be then, assuming Alvernia entered that?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on March 13, 2007, 03:01:28 PM
Misericordia has accepted an invitation to join the MAC beginning with the 2008-09 school year.


http://www.misericordia.edu/athletics/
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: luvdahoops on March 14, 2007, 09:22:36 AM
Quote from: saratoga on March 06, 2007, 06:41:25 AM
Coach K: I'm pretty sure Manhattenville is heading to the MAC as well starting in 07'. It would seem from at least a geographic sense that they would be a better fit on the Freedom side. Alvernia may be headed to the Commonwealth side of things so they could have that natural rival in Albright.

My understanding is that Arcadia will play in the Freedom next year.  Then when Alvernia and Misericordia join the Freedom in 2008-09, Arcadia will move to the Commonwealth.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 14, 2007, 10:05:37 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on March 13, 2007, 03:01:28 PM
Misericordia has accepted an invitation to join the MAC beginning with the 2008-09 school year.


http://www.misericordia.edu/athletics/


This about sums it up...

http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=18076204&BRD=2185&PAG=461&dept_id=416049&rfi=6
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on March 15, 2007, 03:43:39 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 14, 2007, 10:05:37 AM
This about sums it up...

http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=18076204&BRD=2185&PAG=461&dept_id=416049&rfi=6

Well-written article.  Great stuff. 

A somewhat-lesser known fact, there is a consortium among Wilkes, King's, and Misericordia.  Before one school calls off for snow, they call the other two.  Credits are mutual among the three schools, and the academic calendars are the same.  At least, that's how it was in 2001.

If I may quote from the article:
"It's a natural fit because we're located in the heart of MAC country with Wilkes and King's being right down the road," said athletic director Dave Martin.
THANK YOU for getting it right, Mr. Martin.  Simple concept.

If only Misericordia could have been in the conference in 2001.  Imagine this playoff: Jannuzzi-led Wilkes, Dickerson-led King's, Reno-led Scranton, and Chandler-led Misericordia.  Sheesh.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: WolfPAC on March 16, 2007, 12:27:16 PM
Something to think about Cj4life.

Seems the area up there is a better recruiting as well with less concentrated institutions.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on April 26, 2007, 05:24:51 AM
It's quiet... almost too quiet...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 26, 2007, 11:48:58 AM
Perhaps the MAC could lose another team. :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on April 26, 2007, 04:47:54 PM
Why would that make you smile, Pat? :(
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 27, 2007, 12:27:01 AM
Because it was a joke? Sheesh.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on April 27, 2007, 02:23:53 AM
Eh, DeSales is expendable.  :D  (See, kate, I'm smiling after the joke...)

Here's a topic for discussion.  Over the last decade in the MAC-Freedom, the Champions are the following:
99-01: Wilkes wins 2 of 3 titles, Scranton wins the one in the middle
02-04: Lycoming wins 2 of 3 titles, Scranton wins the one in the middle
05-07: King's wins 2 of 3 titles, Scranton wins the one in the middle

I'm not sure what the point is, but there is a trend.  Using this logic, Scranton wins the 2009 MAC-F title.  And the Holy Roman Empire was neither Holy, nor Roman, nor an Empire.  Discuss.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 27, 2007, 04:15:55 AM
I doubt the Landmark will let them play a full MAC-F schedule. :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on April 27, 2007, 07:49:04 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on April 27, 2007, 02:23:53 AM
And the Holy Roman Empire was neither Holy, nor Roman, nor an Empire. 

Nevertheless, the HRE managed to stir up considerable trouble over the years, especially after the elimination of the center-jump and the introduction of the three-point shot ....

And BTW just how old was Albania's King Zog when he died? I'm reliably informed that he invented leather kneepads for basketball players.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on April 27, 2007, 10:41:16 AM
By the 08-09 season, some of the Landmark teams will be begging to return to their roots :) :)!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 27, 2007, 02:35:57 PM
If the Landmark schools didn't want to associate with a conference with Del Val, King's, Wilkes, Lyco, FDU-Florham, Leb Val, etc., why would they want to be in a league with Arcadia, Alvernia, Manhattanville and Misericordia in it?

If those schools wanted to get out of the MAC because of its academic profile, then the new MAC is even less attractive.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on April 27, 2007, 11:00:22 PM
Well, excuse me, i'm NEVER one to dis a D-3 school, but what's so bad about Arcadia, Miseri, Alvernia, & Manhattanville - i still say i personally would take Drew & Juniata back in a heartbeat!  Scranton has had the Landmark conference on their website since Nov., so good for them (travellling partners with Moravian) - say no more!  Wait, GO DEL VAL!!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on April 28, 2007, 06:04:23 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on April 27, 2007, 07:49:04 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on April 27, 2007, 02:23:53 AM
And the Holy Roman Empire was neither Holy, nor Roman, nor an Empire. 

Nevertheless, the HRE managed to stir up considerable trouble over the years, especially after the elimination of the center-jump and the introduction of the three-point shot ....

Warren, though they were troublemakers, we do have to give them credit for eliminating the bottoms of peach baskets.

Otherwise, I figured out the trend for which I was looking.  No repeat Champions in recent years.  The safest way to ensure a MAC-F crown next year is to have lost it this year.  For bonus points, who wants to answer this loaded question... which school was the last to repeat? ;)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on May 08, 2007, 01:29:50 PM
Gee colonel, I'd have to guess Wilkes in 97-99....But wouldn't they be repeating MAC champs, not rpeating Freedom champs? :D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on May 09, 2007, 07:55:18 AM
Ding ding ding, bill gets the prize.  As a reminder, Wilkes won 5 straight Freedom League titles.  Included in that run were 3 overall MAC Championships, including '98 and '99.  There was still a Freedom regular season crown before the 8 team MAC playoff.

Anyone have a schedule posted yet? :o)

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on May 17, 2007, 03:09:31 PM
To all the Monarch Faithful out there:

http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=18351728&BRD=2185&PAG=461&dept_id=416049&rfi=6

Landon Gabriel has his first head coaching job.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on June 09, 2007, 04:45:09 AM
A while back, I posted this fictitious conversation responding to bill on the MAC Women's board:

Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on May 12, 2007, 04:57:26 AM
Quote from: bill on May 10, 2007, 07:24:32 PM
Yes, Drew hasn't scheduled FDU, nor will they. Drew, apparently thinking themselves "too good" for FDU (except on the field/court, where we now regularly beat them :)
will no longer schedule FDU in ANY sport. This is a directive straight from Connie the athletic diector...

Bill - classic.

I've heard something similar about Wilkes / Kings on the guy's side, only it went like this:
Scranton AD, or representative thereof:  "Hey, despite our move to the Landmine, you guys still wanna get together for a non-conference game?"
Wilkes - King's representative: "Stick it, Purple.  We'd rather play Baptist Bible.  Twice."

**Disclaimer - I like Baptist Bible, just using them as an example.

Someone's listening.  The Wilkes schedule is out.  Scranton's not on it.  But Baptist Bible is.  Twice.  Atta boy...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on June 12, 2007, 11:55:24 AM
Was checking the "daily dose" and found a funny line about Wilkes, circa 1999-2000.
It read: "Remember when Wilkes used to schedule like a top 10 team? Yeah, us either. That was kind of a rare event."

What was even funnier back then was in 1998 when Wilkes hosted the Sectional (Sweet 16/Elite 8), and a certain board moderator went ape doody about it. To be tactful, let's just say he was more than eager to voice his displeasure about the host site, feeling a school from DC should have gained the nod.
And what was most hilarious of all was that Wilkes won it and advanced to the Final Four.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 12, 2007, 01:45:52 PM
That's funny, because there was no message board in March 1998. Nice theory, though. :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on June 12, 2007, 11:49:17 PM
Catholic and Hunter fans can gripe about '98, and I'll gripe about '96.  In the end, both host teams ended up going to the Final 4.  Ehhh...

CC - I think that 2000 schedule involved hosting William Paterson in Horace Jenkins's Senior year.  It was going to be a matchup of 2 of the best players in D3, Jenkins vs. Jannuzzi.  In the end, Dave gets hurt, and John Boylan leads Wilkes to a W.  Memories...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on June 13, 2007, 07:29:43 AM
Pat, I didn't say it was posted on the board back then. What I said was I remember someone going ballistic when the host site was announced and that person made it known he was none too happy the week leading up to the tourney.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on June 13, 2007, 08:27:52 AM
CJ4L:

We're in the warm-weather doldrums, so here's something for your Wilkes trivia collection: on 03 March 1951 Temple's Bill "The Owl Without a Vowel" Mlkvy scored a then-NCAA record 73 points v. the Colonels. (The record was broken in 1954 when Furman's Frank Selvy hit 100 v. Newberry.)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 13, 2007, 10:16:15 AM
Quote from: cold_case on June 13, 2007, 07:29:43 AM
Pat, I didn't say it was posted on the board back then. What I said was I remember someone going ballistic when the host site was announced and that person made it known he was none too happy the week leading up to the tourney.

Well, given the substantial home court advantage that Wilkes had it is only appropriate that they won both their games by substantial margins.

Oh wait. :)

CJ -- I'm OK with Wilkes getting the makeup call for 1996. As the years have gone by and I have observed more and more decisions being made I can see where that would've been done.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ycpfinal4 on August 16, 2007, 11:13:30 PM
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Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on August 28, 2007, 10:19:31 AM
A sincere congrats to our guy, Mattie, on the birth of his first child.  I feel that I echo the sentiments of the entire MAC Freedom message board when I say that we're all equally as scared that there's another Burdett to contend with, as we are of the phrase "Uncle Adam."

We should set gambling lines on the kid's first words.  I'll take "incorrigible" at 1,000 to 1.  "Scranton still sucks" is in at 100:1, and "burlap" is the favorite at 3:2.  A profanity-laced tirade about DeSales is in at 1,000,000:1
Title: Wilkes
Post by: timeout on October 09, 2007, 04:24:49 PM
any word on Wilkes this year????  who is looking good?  Who is coming back????
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: timeout on October 09, 2007, 04:26:25 PM
any word on Wilkes this year?  who is coming back - who did they get??  Shovlin?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on October 23, 2007, 11:56:18 AM
Hey, it'd be great to have Shovlin back, but that's his call.  If he comes back, I hope he's ready to be coached.  The last thing I'd want, as a fan, is a defacto team captain fighting with the coach.

But seriously, practices have started, any word from anyone in the 570 yet??
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on October 29, 2007, 02:20:00 PM
Wilkes 2007-8

Time will tell.
Lost Dan Adams to graduation.
I think John Kelly left as well.
No Shovlin sighting

Recruited two additional guards- Ruby-- DeRojas
Both can shoot and score.

Everyone else is back.
DeFeo, Kline, Kresge and Gabe looks like nice frontline.
Operation Overload at guard.

Guess they will fight it out in practice.....

We all have high hopes this time of the year.

Give u more later.

Naismith

 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on October 30, 2007, 10:33:31 AM
Shovlin won't be back at Wilkes, according to a newspaper article from last month. Trouble followed the young man again and apparently Wilkes has said "No Mas."

Also, Scranton scrimmages at King's this Saturday at 1. Should be a physical one to watch.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach K on November 01, 2007, 12:39:44 PM
How do you think DeSales will perform in the conference? With 4 starters back (Ohlsen, Lapinski, Braswell, and Stricker), a decent bench, and as good a coach as there is in D3, I think this might be the year they break out and win the Freedom Conference. Losing Scranton off the schedule definitely helps too, and I believe they also have Arcadia twice.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on November 05, 2007, 01:01:43 PM
CC,

Correct, no Shovlin. 


How are u doing? Your pasta is getting cold....lol

Naismith 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on November 05, 2007, 01:09:40 PM
Coach K,

Nice to hear form you preseason.

What is that minus 7 Karma all about???....lol

DeSales:

Naturally Kings and DeSales appear the teams to beat preseason.
Lots of key starters returning.
Veteran teams
Playoff tested

The same questions every year.....
did they work hard over the summer?
did they improve?
are they distracted?
any new recruits?

And the Freedom wild card this year are the new teams.

That's why we play the games.

Naismith


threw you a karma point....lol
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on November 05, 2007, 01:16:25 PM
Quote from: naismith on November 05, 2007, 01:01:43 PMHow are u doing? Your pasta is getting cold....lol

Naismith

I've been to Brutico's four times since my "phantom" free dinner. 8)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ronk on November 05, 2007, 08:54:32 PM
Quote from: cold_case on October 30, 2007, 10:33:31 AM
Also, Scranton scrimmages at King's this Saturday at 1. Should be a physical one to watch.
Any report on the Scranton-Kings scrimmage?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 06, 2007, 12:46:19 PM
Quote from: ronk on November 05, 2007, 08:54:32 PM
Quote from: cold_case on October 30, 2007, 10:33:31 AM
Also, Scranton scrimmages at King's this Saturday at 1. Should be a physical one to watch.
Any report on the Scranton-Kings scrimmage?


I believe they split the 2 halves, although I don't have insight into how the Freshman looked....
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on November 07, 2007, 08:36:52 AM
I thought they played four halves?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: breezy77 on November 09, 2007, 11:33:19 AM
kings and scranton played 3 halves. the first 2 halves were first groups vs. first groups.  scranton won the first half by about 6-7 pts, kings won the second half by 12-13 pts.  the subs played the last half and kings won by double digits.  3 freshmen looked good for kings.  brasky, a 6'2" point guard, hacker, a 6"3" wing and conroy, a 6'5" forward.  both teams looked pretty good in the scrimmage.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: breezy77 on November 12, 2007, 04:04:12 PM
i saw kings scrimmage division 2 bloomsburg on sat.  kings looked good. they won the scrimmage by 14.  who else in the conference looks good?? kings top 6-7 players look real solid.  they are a little thin at forward off the bench. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on November 12, 2007, 10:27:39 PM
Let's see. King's won the second and third halves against Scranton, they beat D-II Bloom, and the Monarchs have three good looking frosh.
I guess we should hand them the D-III championship?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: breezy77 on November 13, 2007, 08:24:46 AM
what's up with that response??  i was just trying to provide info and get a discussion going.  has anyone seen anyone else in the freedom conference?  who looks good?  my only point was that kings, at this point, looks good.  i think they can contend for the conference title. agree or disagree? 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on November 13, 2007, 11:37:44 AM
Breezy,

Welcome aboard the, um, Board.  As King's Poster Emeritus, I hope you can continue my legacy of King's Homerism and over-dramatic posts following routine victories against FDU and DelVal.  However, some advice.  Cold Case is not a fan of the Monarchs (I hear it is becaused they refused to name the new addition of the gym in his honor) so expect those replies.  Also, look out for Saratoga, but I think he was deported to the Landmark Board.  The rest of the group, although not rabid Monarch faithful, are good basketball minds nonetheless. 

As for King's, I think anything less than a Conference Title will be a huge disappointment.  However, that doesn't mean its a given.  DeSales will be a formidable foe, I'm sure Wilkes has improved, and as mentioned, the new teams are a wild card (didn't Manhatanville make it to the big dance last year?)

Of course the Monarchs are loaded with offensive threats, but what about the D?  They lost a solid defender in Sobocinski and they struggled early on in that department last year.  Also, who on the team will be able to provide an inside presence when Soboleski is on the bench?  Also, which freshmen can really step up big, not so much the need to contribute this year, but to prepare to take over the reigns of this team after the mass departure via graduation occurs in May.

On paper it looks like an exciting season could be brewing, wish I was still in WB to see it.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on November 13, 2007, 05:01:55 PM
Leo,

Pleaure to see you posting from parts unknown.

Breezy,

Welcome aboard the Freedom Train.

Agree with Leo ....anything less than a Freedom title and NCAA appearance (and maybe a bit of a run) would be a disappointment 07-08.
This group has already made 2 NCAA appearances including their memorable mini run during their freshman year.

As to scrimmages, (and these are scrimmages----I mean we are talkin bout scrimmages ......you know....scrimmages man......lol).
A split with Scranton is nice and that would be expected. Scranton, "the departed", had a formidable team returning as does Kings.
Bloom, well, they havn't been on the radar in recent years----13-14 last year, 6-21 the 2 years before. 

Breezy, how deep do you think JP will go this year on the bench? 7 or 8? And who will be those players??

Thx and good luck

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on November 13, 2007, 05:04:50 PM
Quote from: cold_case on November 05, 2007, 01:16:25 PM
Quote from: naismith on November 05, 2007, 01:01:43 PMHow are u doing? Your pasta is getting cold....lol

Naismith

I've been to Brutico's four times since my "phantom" free dinner. 8)

CC,

Geez, when u failed to show, I put your veal chop in a doggie bag.
I can thaw it out for you.....lol.

Hey, dig up some sports memorabilia for me, give me a ring if you still have the number and I'll meet you in Old Forge and I certainly will buy!!

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League--Wilkes
Post by: naismith on November 13, 2007, 05:24:29 PM
Wilkes preview:

Wilkes has had 2 scrimmages this year: Gettysburg and Mansfield (DII).

I didn't attend Gettysburg. Wilkes won all 3 halves. The first half was the probable rotation and Wilkes won by 12.
The other 2 halves featured more subs and everyone played.
Wilkes eked out about a 2pt win in those halves.

I did see two halves of the Mansfield scrimmage. Mansfield was 9-14 last year and split with Bloom. (both very close games). Most of their players returned this year.

Wilkes won 2 of 3 halves.

Again, everyone played.

The Colonels look to be 9 to 10 deep.....hard to tell what the rotation will be. Improved backcourt....all the guards can shoot (DeRojas, Ruby, Gulla, Fasciana, Gould). Kable was on the bench. I heard he has a knee problem and may not play this season?? Not sure.
Four to five deep up front. Held their own on the glass.
Wilkes has some potential....could be the freedom "Sleeper".

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on November 14, 2007, 08:49:41 AM
Quote from: Leo The Lion on November 13, 2007, 11:37:44 AMCold Case is not a fan of the Monarchs (I hear it is becaused they refused to name the new addition of the gym in his honor) so expect those replies.

True, King's did not put my name on their new digs and yes I'm upset but to say I'm not a fan of the Monarchs?
And as for Saratoga, I doubt you'll be seeing him much. Same goes for Bob Zade's. They're both distant memories. ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on November 14, 2007, 10:24:46 AM
Hey Nais and fellow posters:  Like AI said, "We talking about practice, man, not the game, practice................"     Let the games begin!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: breezy77 on November 14, 2007, 01:00:39 PM
thanks to leo the lion and naismith for the heads up about cold case.  in response to both their posts.  i think jp can go 8 deep.  the 6'5" freshmen conroy will be the first forward off the bench. freshmen brasky can give solid minutes at the point, although i don't believe cousart will come out very much.  maybe jp will slide cousart to the wing occasionally.  they will stuggle inside if their big boy gets in foul trouble.  they have a senior wing, i forget his name, who will be the 6th man.  their top 6 looks very good with brasky and conroy as 7 and 8.  jp has 4 freshmen who look like they could develop into a good group over 4 years, brasky, conroy, hacker and schlichter
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on November 14, 2007, 02:10:48 PM
Nais, I gots me a ton of stuff. Weez be in touch.
And hold onto the veal. :)
With King's being said deep dis dar year, Scranton made a good move to get out while the gottin' was good.

Leo, if you have any gray matter in your penthouse, don't go too overboard with your remarks of me not being a King's fan. I'm a fan who tells it dar way I sees it, I'm just not like you, a homer. Plain, simple, period!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on November 15, 2007, 05:20:14 PM
CC. Not too distant I hope!!! Leo...good scouting report to the rookie. You don't want to scare him off too soon.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on November 19, 2007, 08:33:04 AM
My 5 favorite holidays read as follows:

5. My birthday.  Because really, who doesn't love their birthday.
4. First Thursday of NCAA D-I Tournament.  16 games that stretch 12+ hours.  No drawbacks.
3. Christmas.  Everybody is off work, families get together.  It's a chalk pick for top 3.
2. Wilkes Basketball Opening Day.  The air just a little crisper today than it was yesterday.  See you all at the Marts Center tonight.
1. Thanksgiving.  Seriously.  It's a day designed around eating, napping, and watching football - and the lazier you are, the more socially acceptable it is.  Genius.

Game on, fellas.  Game on.
Title: New Kids on the Block
Post by: naismith on November 19, 2007, 04:03:28 PM
Took a look at Manhattanville and Arcadia this afternoon.
Today Manhattanville since they have 2 games (and wins) under thier belt.

Manhattanville won their season opening tourney defeating John Jay and Rose Hulman.

Multi-year starter Brian Fink, a 6'2" off guard seems poised to be primary scoring threat. Was tourney MVP and hit high % of 3's.
Point guard Donte Chisolm seems to pose a real threat. He is a 6' 0" senior.
Last year, he averaged 6 assists per/game with a 1.82 s assist/turnover ratio.
Also averaged 1.8 steals per/game. Scoed 31 points in first two games and is just shy of 1000.

Total team stats for first 2 victories: (combined)

52 for 110 from the floor
14 for 39 from the arc
25 for 31 freethrows
27 assists
28 turnovers
18 steals

Appears from the box scores that four starters play lots of minutes (33-35 each). They may go eight deep but no bench player booked more than 9 minutes.

Not real big. Seems 6'5" 225 Huezo gets some time aliong with 6'8" 200 Walsh and 6-5 225 Horgan (not Brian) but a true County Corker!!.

Seems to me that Manhattanville plays a realtively small lineup and they appear to have some depth at the guard and wing positions.

Looking forward to a trip to Purchase NY at least once this year. I will be spectator #451 according to attendance figures.

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: breezy77 on November 19, 2007, 10:41:27 PM
kings win lycoming tourney.  looked very average in finals vs. penn state altoona.  they seem to play very average defense and they don't seem to be in very good condition.  penn state altoona was much smaller but very scrappy. kings will need to play much better in the conference if they plan on repeating.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on November 20, 2007, 10:17:16 AM
Despite being down 37-35 at the half, Wilkes beat Baptist Bible 83-70.

I'll admit, I didn't notice this until the paper this morning, but Wilkes had 5 players in double-figures.  Team high was Freshman Chris DeRojas with 16 (14 in the 2nd half).  Steve Kline picks up a double-double, 15 points, 13 boards.

Wilkes was 29-40 from the free throw line.  An improvement from previous seasons.  Actually made more free throws than Baptist Bible took, just indicative of Baptist Bible fouling a lot in the final 1:30.

Credit to Naismith who, at halftime down 2, called a Wilkes win by 12.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on November 20, 2007, 12:30:47 PM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on November 20, 2007, 10:17:16 AM
Despite being down 37-35 at the half, Wilkes beat Baptist Bible 83-70.

Credit to Naismith who, at halftime down 2, called a Wilkes win by 12.

Nais really went out on a limb on the BBC prediction.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on November 20, 2007, 04:49:19 PM
CC, notable because the prediction was made at halftime.

First half, there was no indication Wilkes would make a run.  Wilkes got outhustled, offensive sets ended in turnovers, Baptist Bible grabbed rebounds they had no business getting.

At the time, he was way out on a small limb.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on November 20, 2007, 09:14:24 PM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on November 20, 2007, 04:49:19 PMAt the time, he was way out on a small limb.

Way out on a limb? Against BBC?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on November 20, 2007, 11:16:33 PM
CC,


Funny to see the Wilkes faithful already writing off the entire season at halftime.
The basis of the prediction was simply to "shut up" all the doomsayers.

Watched DeSales and Moravian on cable tonight.
DeSales has just about everyone back.

Braswell was particularly impressive tonight. Seemed a step faster than everyone else on the floor.
Ohlson played his usual solid floor game.
Stricker had fouls and limited minutes in the first half.
Lapinski was a force inside.

DeSales played man to man the entire game I think.  They overplayed quite a bit and really were sharp anticipatiing the passing lanes and helping out.
Offensively, they pounded it in low from the half court set. Not too may 3's attempted.

DeSales released Braswell and others off the opponent's shots and beat Mravian down the floor. Led to many fast break and uncontested layups.

Overall, DeSales was impressive and Freedom opponents better pack their muzzles cause these Bull Dawgs got Bite
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on November 20, 2007, 11:19:24 PM
how do u change this unreadable background??
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on November 20, 2007, 11:39:58 PM
Quote from: naismith on November 20, 2007, 11:19:24 PM
how do u change this unreadable background??

Do what I do: Put on the glasses. ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on November 21, 2007, 07:19:01 AM
Quote from: cold_case on November 20, 2007, 09:14:24 PM
Way out on a limb? Against BBC?

You didn't see the first half...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on November 21, 2007, 03:17:52 PM
After watching the Colonels opener against BB, I came away feeling the same way I did after last seasons games.  Something is missing here.  This looks like a .500 club to me and with King's and DeSales so strong, it seems like another battle to make the playoffs for Wilkes.  Nice debut by freshman Derojas.  Local kid can handle and is deadly free throw shooter (7-7) and excellent from three.  Great attributes for point guard, especially at the end of close games.  However, had a few blow byes on the defensive end.  All in all, a nice pickup.  The guy who really confuses me is Kresge.  Seems to have all the tools and potential but is so inconsistent.  I think, with his game, he should be more dominant at this level.  I believe as he goes, so goes the Colonels.   I know its only one game and teams do improve,  but Colonels don't seem to make too many adjustments.   Col. and Naismith:  Whats your early take on this year's edition?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on November 22, 2007, 07:54:45 PM
LJK,

Provided the Wilkes team that played the final 20 minutes keeps playing, Wilkes is every bit as good as the best in the Freedom.  Period.  It's both a good sign that the players can adjust, AND that the coaches can spot a weakness and attack.

Great debut for DeRojas.  My observation was this - if he can streak down on a fast break, pull up, and stick a 3 (as I've seen him do several dozen times in high school) - that adds a whole new dimension to the entire offense.  Not just fast breaks, the whole offense.  Wilkes has always had enough speed to run a fast break offense (see North Carolina '05), just never had a reliable enough 3 point shooter.  Whole new offensive threat.

Kresge, more dominant?  He broke double-figures.  Easy on the kid.  I hate to go Mike Gundy but "Pick on me! I'm a graduate!  Don't pick on some kid who does everything right!"  Kresge's a valuable asset, quick enough to streak down a wing on a fast break, polished enough to finish regularly.

My reality check is this - through 1 game, Wilkes is undefeated.  Enjoy the ride.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on November 23, 2007, 11:00:35 PM
From the Hunter website,
"Hunter (1-2) will return to action following the Thanksgiving Day break when they travel to Wilkes-Barre, PA on Saturday, November 24 to face the Colonials of Wilkes University (1-0) at 3:00 p.m."

So, Wilkes changed their name ..heh....the Colonials .......those Hunter journalists should apply for the New York Times---"all the fiction that's fit to print". Or maybe Dan Rather can hire them to track down that transfer from South Carolina???  Dan says he'll bet  $1 million that he can prove that transfer is still on his way.....or was that John Kerry? The transfer was coming until he decided not to come...
Manhattanville beat Hunter by 20  plus. Hunter had 24 to's to offset their 22 assists.
Manhattanville hit the century mark so I take it Hunter likes the up tempo game and/or plays no defense.

Amherst, the defending DIII champs also rang up a 20 point win.  Amherst led by 20 at the half and appeared to play the entire bench.
Of note, Hunter takes about 20 3's per game and appear to be a very poor FT shooting team.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on November 23, 2007, 11:09:44 PM
CJ,

You have an advanced degree Dr.??

How did u get the background color to change.

thx

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on November 23, 2007, 11:30:57 PM
how did that happen?

Anyway, LJK----

Personnel wise, Wilkes is pretty much the same team with a couple of big changes.

1) DeFEo must have dropped 30 plus lbs. I didn't recognize hime when I entered the gym for the Mansfield scrimmage.
He played very well and is a strong rebounding presence. I think he is a high energy kid much like Dan Adams whose hustle will be missed.
2) Gulla is playing with a lot more confidence. Along with Gould, they are good defensive stoppers. Gulla is much more of an offensive threat than last year.
3) Fasciana has emerged as a real contributer. Long and lean, he allows Wilkes to give a lot of different looks since he can play 2 or 3. Very active.
4) DeRojas---good ballhandler....great shooter.....a smart player and a potential 'instant offense' type of kid who can score in bundles.

Add Kline's finesse game and Kresge's overall package. Throw in the other frosh Kyle Ruby and a sprinkling of Durako to spell the bigs ..........and I see some real promise for this team.

Tough to really evaluate after 1 scrimmage and 1 game.....but ....
I still think the passes have to come out quicker from the bigs when they get doubled and tripled.  Beleive me, DeRojas, Ruby, Fasciana, Kresge, Gulla Gould & Gabe can shoot..... If they kick the ball out and get better ball movement....a lot of open looks should materialize.
I hope they don't get too bogged down on offense......that was clearly a problem last year.

Actually, I would like to see this team run a little more at times. And I would like to see the point guards break down the defense to create some easy shots for the bigs. .

One last thing, Wilkes has had some success with pressure defense ...that was once a Colonel trademark...With the right combination of personnel, I think this team can do some good things with the press.

Should be an interesting year.

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on November 23, 2007, 11:32:22 PM
back to blurry blue blackground bludgeoning  board.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 23, 2007, 11:42:14 PM
Quote from: naismith on November 23, 2007, 11:00:35 PM
So, Wilkes changed their name ..heh....the Colonials .......those Hunter journalists should apply for the New York Times---"all the fiction that's fit to print". Or maybe Dan Rather can hire them to track down that transfer from South Carolina???

Coastal Carolina. Kinda funny that you messed up a fact in griping about someone messing up a fact. :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on November 24, 2007, 01:02:04 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 23, 2007, 11:42:14 PM
Quote from: naismith on November 23, 2007, 11:00:35 PM
So, Wilkes changed their name ..heh....the Colonials .......those Hunter journalists should apply for the New York Times---"all the fiction that's fit to print". Or maybe Dan Rather can hire them to track down that transfer from South Carolina???

Coastal Carolina. Kinda funny that you messed up a fact in griping about someone messing up a fact. :)

College of Charleston!!

Pat, even funnier that you messed up a fact, griping about someone griping about messing up a fact... I think.

And, the College of Charleston transfer showed up, and has since gone from Wilkes.  Great story.  I'll explain one of these off-seasons...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on November 24, 2007, 07:19:21 PM
Nais, check your e-mail.
Thanks
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on November 25, 2007, 04:33:07 PM


CJ,

think Pat was just having some fun...
as was I.......
Wasn't hanging around these parts when this kid form Carolina (last I heard Charelston was in a Carolina) was transferring to the University of Somewhere??.  Does he still have some eligibnility left???

Maybe Hunter could use thme as they only suited 8 for Sat. game against the Wilkes COLONIALS.


Pat, please please let us know how to change this background toa readable color.  This blue just doesn't work.


Hunter game:

Hunter was scrappy, well coached and quite a bit short on the manpower side.
As anticipated, they did shoot and connect on a lot of 3's

Hunter ran a very ni ce motion offense.  They moved the ball well and hit the cutters
They had a couple of pretty slick players inside but their bigs were 6' 4" and 6' 5". Kiernan,  a guard, played a nice overall game and made some tough shots.
Hunter's #3 was a real force as well. Penetrated the lane, hit a few shots and played nice pressure defense.
With a couple of more players and a true big man, Hunter could be a real competitive team.

Kresge, DeFeo, Kline and Gabe scored a bunch of points inside. Wilkes had a big size and depth advantage.  DeRojas provided some instant offense off  the bench. Scored off the break, driving to hoop and from outside. He has a real scorer's mentality who is going to be a very bery dangerous player.

Hunter kept the game within 10 most of the way but Wilkes edged clear late and won by about 20.

I'll be out of action and in Portland Oregon for a few weeks.
I'll be checking in but won't be attending any games for a while.

Say hello to your dad and best wishes during the Holiday season.

Aren't we due for a Colonel John Jr. pretty soon???   lol

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 25, 2007, 06:19:52 PM
I sent you a message on this but you haven't responded -- is this new for you? We've had this setup in place since August 2005.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on November 26, 2007, 07:34:48 AM
The Wilkes "COLONIALS" are 2-0.  Don't forget, of all teams, Scranton, who let the misprint slide through about 6-7 years ago.

Also of note, the student section received Go Colonels signs back in '99-'00, which could be folded easily... so, the Wilkes COLONS are also 1-0.

And hey, lost in all of this, the actual Colonels of '07-'08 are 2-0.  Beautiful.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 26, 2007, 08:42:41 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on November 26, 2007, 07:34:48 AM
The Wilkes "COLONIALS" are 2-0.  Don't forget, of all teams, Scranton, who let the misprint slide through about 6-7 years ago.

Also of note, the student section received Go Colonels signs back in '99-'00, which could be folded easily... so, the Wilkes COLONS are also 1-0.

Aha! This explains why the C of C transfer never showed up ... he was looking for the Colonials and/or the Colons, not the Colonels.  
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: breezy77 on November 26, 2007, 12:04:03 PM
i keep reading that kings and desales are the top two teams.  kings better wake up.  their seniors seem to have senioritis.  they are just coasting already.  they played absolutley horrible defense vs. albright last week. same vs. penn state altoona in the lycoming championship game.   there seems to be no spark and no intensity.  they may have talent but without heart and desire they will go nowhere fast.  they need senior leadership fast!!!  does jp believe that defense wins championships??
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on November 26, 2007, 01:08:53 PM
NJCU is travelling to Lycoming for a game tonight, the first in a Home and Home series.  How does Lyco look this season?  I haven't seen NJCU yet this season so I really can't say much, they were picked to finish second in their division in the NJAC.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on November 26, 2007, 02:33:56 PM
Breezy,

Not sure how long you have been following Kings............

The early games are non-conference. They are often a 'feeling out' process.
Conference games are a totally difference.....much more intense.

To make the tournament you must qualify for playoffs and, then, win them.

I wouldn't worry about Kings or JP. I think they will be there when the time comes.

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on November 27, 2007, 10:20:57 AM
A once mighty Hunter College team showed up at the Marts Center, with a undermanned and undersized team on Saturday against Wilkes.  They had 8 players, three were missing for a variety of reasons.   You would think under these circumstances, Wilkes would take advantage of the mismatches and pound the ball inside, and also use pressure defense to wear down their depleted opponent, and run them out of the gym.  They really didn't establish any inside/outside game and Coach R said as much after the contest.  The Colonels really let Hunter hang around and the scappy bunch cut the lead to 5 late in the game.  The final score really didn't indicate the closeness of the game.  The bright spots for the Colonels were Kline and Kresge with double/doubles and the freshman sparkplug DeRojas who finished with 19 points.  He does seem to score in bunches,  as Naismith alluded to in his "instant offense" comment.   He's not shy (8-16 I believe) and took maybe 4 ill advised shots, and needs to work on his defense.  Shot selection is hard for some players,  especially for freshman,  but with his smarts, I think it will come with experience.  Gabriel chipped in with 11 points.  It looks like the scoring has to come from Kresge, Kline and DeRojas.   As Naismith points out, it is still very early and coaches are trying a lot of different things to get their rotations set, and as a result, games do appear to be ragged at times, and still have an exhibition feel to them.   Brezzy mentioned that he hasn't seen the fire and intensity yet in Kings, and it hasn't arrived yet for Wilkes either, in my opinion.   However, two wins are two wins I guess, and Wilkes sits at 2-0 as they get ready for Susquehanna at home on Wed.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: breezy77 on November 27, 2007, 11:48:25 AM
naismith,
i am knew to following kings this year.  i come from a background of building good habits through out the year and defense winning championships.  i am not used to the theroy of turning it on during confrence games.  is this a college thing or just a kings thing. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: breezy77 on November 27, 2007, 11:53:27 AM
 i saw lycoming in their tip off tounament against penn st. altoona and college of new jersey.  it looks like they have some talent.  they blew a 14 pt. second half lead vs. penn st. altoona and handled college of new jersey pretty easily.  they have some quickness at the guard position and 2 forwards who are big and strong inside.  they also have a 6'4" senior shooter. i think they could be pretty good this year.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 27, 2007, 12:33:55 PM
Quote from: breezy77 on November 27, 2007, 11:53:27 AM
i saw lycoming in their tip off tounament against penn st. altoona and college of new jersey.  it looks like they have some talent.  they blew a 14 pt. second half lead vs. penn st. altoona and handled college of new jersey pretty easily.  they have some quickness at the guard position and 2 forwards who are big and strong inside.  they also have a 6'4" senior shooter. i think they could be pretty good this year.


Isn't Lycoming in the OTHER Mac conference?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on November 27, 2007, 12:39:26 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 27, 2007, 12:33:55 PM
Quote from: breezy77 on November 27, 2007, 11:53:27 AM
i saw lycoming in their tip off tounament against penn st. altoona and college of new jersey.  it looks like they have some talent.  they blew a 14 pt. second half lead vs. penn st. altoona and handled college of new jersey pretty easily.  they have some quickness at the guard position and 2 forwards who are big and strong inside.  they also have a 6'4" senior shooter. i think they could be pretty good this year.


Isn't Lycoming in the OTHER Mac conference?
Not unless they got moved when teams were leaving for the Landshark conference.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on November 27, 2007, 12:59:14 PM
NEPA FAN: Yes, Lyco has left the MAC Freedom for the MAC Commonwealth effective this year.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on November 27, 2007, 01:05:31 PM
That answers that, they are still listed as MACF on D3Hoops.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 27, 2007, 03:18:36 PM
Updated.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on November 27, 2007, 10:22:33 PM
Breezy, this seems to be a King's trend of recent years.

Flashback two years:  King's starts 2-6.  Of those six losses one was a buzzer beater by E-Town, two losses to Baruch and Wilkes caused by costly turnovers late, and a shocking upset by BBC. 

Flashback last year:  King's starts 4-4.  Of those losses one came as an OT loss vs. Albright, two of them came from beatdowns handed out by DeSales and E-Town, where they were emberassed on the defensive side of the ball.  Even one of the wins was an ugly one at home vs. BBC.

Now I'm not foolish enough to believe that King's will automatically turn it around because it has before, but the same talent is there with even more expierience.  Like Nais said, things are really hit and miss in non-conference, the players are trying to get into a groove and adjust to new roles.  It was the same stories in the past two seasons and both JP and the players made changes which led to successful years.

Too much talent in this team to dismiss the season after three games.
 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on November 29, 2007, 12:04:04 AM
3-0, baby.  3-0.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on November 29, 2007, 12:47:30 PM
Col.,  3-0 could very well be 0-3, but I'm not complaining, just taking your advise,  and enjoying the ride!    The bandwagon is starting to fill up and getting ready to roll to first road game against William Paterson on Dec. 5.   Long time to keep up the momentum of thrilling overtime victory, but 3 early wins a great start for the Colonels, with a long way to go .
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on November 29, 2007, 05:43:41 PM
LJK,

It could be 0-3... but it's not!  3-0 is 3-0, including an OT win.  Shows some heart.  Shows an ability to close.  Things that serve teams well once the conference schedule commences.

And you weren't calling me bandwagon, right?  Just making sure.  :o)

So, now that Wilkes has a W over Susquehanna, what does the Freedom vs. Landmine tote board look like?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on December 04, 2007, 01:07:38 PM
Just checked out the MAC-F page on the D3hoops site, and the standings aren't updated.  I was wondering how all the teams were doing in non-conference games, and poof, 0-0.  But, don't worry, I'm not complaining about the site.

Hey hey, remember Penn St Harrisburg?  They knocked off Delaware Valley in double OT.  Good for them.

Big game tomorrow as the Wilkes bandwagon hits the road for Jersey.  William Paterson's 4-1, with their only loss coming to an unbeaten Emerson team (6-0).  WPU is fresh off a 76-33 win.  No slouches.  Plus, it's in Jersey.  Should be a good test for the young Colonels.  Wish I could make the trip East on 78...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on December 04, 2007, 01:27:37 PM
CJ4L, if you want to head to WPU better off taking 80 to 287 in Jersey, unless you are closer to 78, then you could take 78 to 287.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on December 04, 2007, 08:29:51 PM
Hey, C.J., we have to pull for in league teams, so what's so great about Penn State - Harrisburg beating DVC in ot??  GO MAC!  Good luck to Wilkes guys this season!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on December 05, 2007, 01:02:37 PM
Ops, left out the whole reason for the post - the words "each other" where they should properly be placed!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on December 07, 2007, 10:54:44 AM
Knightstalker - I'm in Harrisburg, so 78 is much closer.  That said, glad I sat that one out.  Not our best non-conference effort.

That aside, it's good to see the overall standings updated.  What wasn't good to see?  Manhattanville's nickname.  The Valiants?  Their nickname is an adjective??!!  Come on now.  (Of course, I am a Mets fan, and I guess Metropolitan is an adjective...)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: breezy77 on December 07, 2007, 11:27:11 AM
is kings in trouble yet???  losing to baptist bible!!!!  is this truley the way it is every year??  i know i am knew to following kings but come on.  when do they start to turn it on??  do i have to wait until after x-mas?  i'm not so sure they have another gear this year.  what do you think leo the lion?????
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on December 07, 2007, 04:05:34 PM
Since the 2005-2006 season, here is King's College record against two selected opponents.

Opponent A: 1-2
Opponent B: 3-1

Any guesses on who the two opponents are?  Opponent A would be Baptist Bible College, Opponent B would be THE University of Scranton (the Harvard of the Coal Region as they call it).  Hard to believe that King's has a victory to its name at the Long Center but does not have one in that barn in Clarks Summit.  I hope J.P. doesn't decide to pull a (NAME REDACTED) and refuse to play @ BBC again after King's recent struggles there.

I took a glance at Bob Z's recap and outside of a few exceptions, it didn't look like a particularly great shooting performance.  The biggest shocker for me was seeing Scalzo with only two shots and not a single FG, has this ever happened? 

It's not panic time yet because the letters MAC haven't come into play yet.  I realize that eventually it will be to late for the Monarchs to "turn it around" but that time is not year yet.  Have faith Breezy, the team is talented and they know how to win, it will come around.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: old ends on December 14, 2007, 08:38:45 PM
Look like Widener is putting a hurt on Wilkes ---Up by 20 so far
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: old ends on December 14, 2007, 08:41:01 PM
Game over Widener 75 -- Wilkes  55
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on December 16, 2007, 01:07:30 AM
Two blow out losses in a row for Wilkes,  the Holiday break better get here soon, time to regroup.  When they get up against an athletic team, N/C.  What are we going to do, Col.?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wb1313 on December 16, 2007, 12:13:02 PM
Capitulate?  I'm not the Colonel but this is a disturbing trend...

Down year for the MAC???  Some embarrassing losses in the early going!  I'm sorry but you just can't lose to Baptist Bible!!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: old ends on December 17, 2007, 07:33:44 PM
We Hope King's and Wilke's Basketball season does not go like the football season went.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on December 18, 2007, 12:07:55 AM
In case anyone is interested.

Caught the NJCU Lyco game tonight.  Good game, NJCU wins but let Lyco get back into the game towards the end.  The Knights did a good job at the line at the end of the game when lyco had to foul.  NJCU is starting to look better, they had good ball movement tonight, played good defense, the press was very effective.  I only caught the second half, but NJCU had the lead and did not give it up.

Lyco has a decent starting five, a couple of good shooters, number 1 and 12 started and were dangerous from outside.  Number 30 came in off the bench and has a real nice shot.  Number 12 is also kind of sneaky, he just seemed to come out of no where a couple of times and make a play.  Lyco does not do a good job against the press, and tried a half-hearted press a couple of times.  They are not bad in their zone d.  They also had good ball movement when they could get into their half court offense, very patient, worked for the shot, and followed up nicely.  NJCU was able to run them into the ground some.  From what I saw Lyco should do fairly well against half court teams but will struggle if you make them run and press them on D.  William Paterson and Ramapo could drive them nuts.

Good game, fun to watch and a nice win for NJCU going into the break,.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on December 18, 2007, 09:50:07 AM
Third loss in a row for the Colonels.  This time beaten by Keystone College who showed up at the Marts Center with 9 guys and actually wore Wilkes down.  An excellent job by their Coach, who worked it all night long.  Wilkes blew an eleven point lead in this one.   The turning point was a technical foul called on Matt Gould with Wilkes up by 9 with about 11 minutes to go in the game.  Keystone went on a run and took the lead at about the 6 minute mark and held on for the W.  DeRojas cracked the starting lineup for Wilkes and responded with 14 points and a nice floor game with 6 assists.    Gulla had career night with a double double with 12 and 12.  This Wilkes team is running on empty and looks to be going through the motions.  They have one more game on the road before the much needed break.  They have to go back to the drawing board, shake things up a little, and  regroup for conference play. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: old ends on December 20, 2007, 05:42:48 PM
ljk: looks like your earlier statement about Wilkes needing a break to regroup,, I hope this rest helps them get the game face on. Did I read that they lost to Kean or was that Kings.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: old ends on December 22, 2007, 07:10:42 PM
Happy Holidays to all !!!
Title: Valiants
Post by: jdboogs1 on December 23, 2007, 08:31:27 PM
For those of you out there that don't know much about the Manhattanville Valiants watch out. They won the Skyline Conference last year and should have been the # 1 seed in the Atlantic Region. They played a tougher schedule then Stevens and also beat them in the regular season. Go figure!! They moved to a more competitve conference this year and return 4 starters. They also have a very tough schedule but should do well. They also have one of the best players in the region in Cody Moffett. It's a treat to watch this guy play.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: old ends on December 31, 2007, 06:30:20 PM
To all have a safe and Happy New Year !!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: old ends on January 02, 2008, 09:55:10 PM
looking on the d3 scoreboard, Kings could not get it done against York. Final York 76--Kings 73.

Big tourney at Kings this weekend..
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 02, 2008, 10:48:34 PM
Hey Homer Jones (he's an old end for sure),

Tufts should provide an excellent test for both local squads this weekend.

Quick Scouting report:
They are 6-2 this year and have a veteran 20 year coach with close to 290 wins.

Looking at their season stats, Tufts appears to hace some excellent shooters.

John Pierce is averaging 22.8 ppg on 60%  shooting and 50% from the 3pt. line.
He is 6'5" and 240!!

Then, you have 6'0" guard Gallant who shoots 61%  from the floor and averages 10ppg.   61%!!!
Weitzen, Black and O'Keefe round out the scorers all averaging around 10 pts. plus.

As a team, they shoot .489 and .40 from the 3pt. line
Ft's 75%.

They outrebound opponents in all categories. (OR---98-87 pretty  nice for a high % shooting team and 196-165 def reb. edge)
assist to to---135 to 141 opp. ato----96-131.

82-75 scoring edge on average.

Looks like they can go 9 deep on the roster with Pierce, Gallant and Black getting the most minutes.

Should give Kings and Wilkes all they can handle this weekend.
Then, next week....down to business.

Conf picks: (in order) DeSales, Manhattanville, Kings, Wilkes, Arcadia, FDU, Del Val

Thinks Wilkes and Arcadia could easily flop.

Naismith


Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: old ends on January 02, 2008, 11:11:49 PM
Wow!! Homer Jones,,, saw him play for the Giants in the mid 60's. I think he was more of a wide reciever though. He started the spiking of the football in the end zone.

I will not be at the King's Tourney since I am freezing in FL. Came south from MD to avoid the cold. Not working this week.

I have a nephew who lives up there and is a big fan of both Kings and Wilkes so I try to keep up with the scores. Thanks for the Info on Tufts and will watch them thoughout the year.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on January 04, 2008, 10:35:04 PM
Where's the Colonel? I guess four straight losses by an average of 18 points will make some people disappear. ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on January 05, 2008, 06:51:58 PM
Please remove Del Val from the list of NO WINS - they beat Penn State Brandywine this afternoon 70 - 55!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: old ends on January 05, 2008, 10:47:05 PM
Looks like the rest help the Colonels( Wilkes) a victory over Tufts today and Kings bounced back to get a victory over Miscordia.

Wilkes 84  Tufts 73
Kings 54  Miscordia 50
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: old ends on January 07, 2008, 10:32:18 PM
I thought by now someone would have posted a remark about Wilkes losing to Miscordia on Sunday. Or the fact Kings handle Tufts. My nephew e mail the results and his comments.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on January 08, 2008, 08:37:22 AM
A big Happy Rivalry Day to all you Wilkes Watchers out there in MAC Freedom Land.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on January 08, 2008, 09:15:28 AM
I was not at all surprised that Misericordia beat the Colonels.  In fact, I spoke with Miseri's coach earlier in the year and expressed to him that I thought his team had an excellent shot at beating Wilkes this year.  I think the coach has done a great job, building a program and will be a nice additon to the conference next year.  After losing Scranton and Lyco, the league really needs a shot in the arm.  With the built in rivalries with Kings and Wilkes, and their continued improvement, Misericordia should make things a lot more interesting for sure.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 08, 2008, 03:37:36 PM
Quote from: cold_case on January 04, 2008, 10:35:04 PM
Where's the Colonel? I guess four straight losses by an average of 18 points will make some people disappear. ;D

Still around, fulfilling your nightmares, CC.  I'm sure my absence just makes your hearts grow fonder.   :)

Happy Rivalry Day to you as well, Leo.  For just such an occasion, I drove back to the 570.  Didn't think I'd miss this one, did ya?

And what's that they say about the difference between Wilkes and King's?  4 blocks, 3 Elite 8's in the 90's, 2 doctoral programs, and 1 Final Four?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 08, 2008, 03:52:29 PM
Quote from: cold_case on January 04, 2008, 10:35:04 PM
Where's the Colonel? I guess four straight losses by an average of 18 points will make some people disappear. ;D

The Colonel never "disappears," though he periodically remains silent whilst pondering things in his heart of hearts .... *

-----------------

* BTW what exactly is a "heart of hearts"?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 08, 2008, 04:06:53 PM
Hey Ray Berry (another old end) or do you prefer Lance Alworth, Boyd Dowler and Del Shofner???

Did attend the weekend Classic at Kings.

My quicknotes:
Wilkes-Tufts-----Tight game with Colonels overcoming 10 pt. deficit. Matt Gould's finest performance carried team. ( 13-13 fts and 29 pts.) Kresge very smooth player and Kline is tough.
Some timely scoring from Gulla and DeRojas.
Kings-Miseri-----Kings on fire and up 18-3 first 8 minutes. From there, all Miseri....they lead 48-46 but Kings seniors put it together late and win 54-50.
Scalzo very impressive. ..certainly the overall best player on Monarch squad.
Wilkes-Miseri------Another tight game. Wilkes leads by 6 late until Miseri (Baumanak) banks a 3 from 25' and someone hits another in traffic to knot game. Gabriel steals ball for layup with 11 seconds on clock. Wilkes gets no timeout and Miseri rushes ball up where Del Prete nails a 3 in traffic for the game winner. Fun game to watch....Miseri is about 6 to 7 deep with legit players.  Love Roa's game and Little (I think that is name) is very quick.
Kings-- Tufts:  Another tight game throughout with Kings pulling away last 8 minutes of 2nd half. Tufts has nice balance and took Amherst to OT twice last year according to the 'jumbo'  fan whom I engaged in converstion.  They are skilled and well coached.

Apparently, teams in Tuft's conference do not practice or play during finals and have limited total games that they can play. So, they played the Classic on a 1 or 2 practices and no games. This Tufts team would be a big threat to win the Freedom.  

Overall, 4 very good games.

Like all, am ready for the conference games to begin. Kings a 9pt fave tonite on N. Main St.

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: old ends on January 08, 2008, 08:13:52 PM
Kings vs Wilkes Live Stats go to:

http://departments.kings.edu/athletics/sportsinco/live_Stats/xlive.htm

enjoy..
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 08, 2008, 08:37:11 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on January 08, 2008, 03:52:29 PM
* BTW what exactly is a "heart of hearts"?

If the philosophy professor doesn't have that answer, how would us mere mortals? :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on January 09, 2008, 09:02:19 AM
Wilkes with a big win over Kings in the Freedom Conference opener at the Colonels home away from home, (3rd game in a row at Kings gym, nice scheduling).  Wilkes came out smoking and built a 10 point lead mostly from the outside.  In the 2nd half, Wilkes started driving to the basket beating Kings guys off the driibble, and either converting or getting fouled.  They also set up Kline down low and with his nice inside moves, he became almost a "point center",  driving to the hoop or dishing off to his team mates.  For Kings, Scalzo hit two big 3's and gave the Monarchs their first lead at about the 7 minute mark of the game.  However, with Wilkes employing its 3 guard offense, the Colonels answered every time at crunch time.  Some nice freshmen play from Kings Hacker and Conroy and Wilkes DeRojas.  As Raft would say the kid DeRojas has "onions", totally unafraid to launch, nailing a big basket in the waning moments.  It was a great game with both teams shooting lights out for the most part. (Wilkes 57%, Kings 49%).   Kresge had 21 and DeRojas 16 points to lead Wilkes.  Cousart had excellent game with 24 points including 12-12 from the free throw line for Kings.   Wilkes now 5-5 overall and Kings at 7-5.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 09, 2008, 09:07:43 AM
Old Colonels never disappear, they just fade away.

Wilkes 80, King's 70.

Wilkes goes man-to-man on D for the better part of the game.  For the first 10 minutes, a Senior-heavy King's squad was mystified by it.  Wilkes up by 10 early.  By halftime, King's brought it back to a one-possession game.

2nd half, it was a one-possession game throughout.  Tied at 66 with 2:30 to play, Matt Gould made a couple clutch shots, and before you knew it King's was fouling with time winding down.  Wilkes puts the game away with prowess from the charity stripe.

The smart half of Wilkes-Barre slept well last night.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 09, 2008, 10:56:39 AM
Think LJ and CJ summed up the game last night.
A nailbiter all the way....

My thinking is this:

Wilkes seems to have adopted the persona of its Coach JR.
They play determined, tough and gritty.

Wilkes has also adopted Coach JR's style of play.
They play smart, patient and control the tempo.

From my vantage point, that combination paid dividends Tuesday night.

Wilkes had an early lead but everyone knew Kings would make a run. The Monarchs chipped away and were down 3 at the half.

Wilkes barely sustained the lead and when a Scalzo three put Kings ahead, the Colonels could have folded. Instead, Tom Kresge (an all around force) made a statement. His  "power move" was a play to behold. A combination of Skill and Will ....a determined drive to the hoop through a double team and 1.

With a 1 pt Colonel lead and the shot clock winding down, Chris Gulla then drained a critical corner trey right in Fonz's Face (inside joke) upping the lead to 4.  A short jumper by DeRojas among the giants sealed the deal and FT's ensued.

Thought Scalzo and Cousart played effectively. Wilkes seemed to really be concentating on neutralizing VS.  The Kings frosh played well. Nensteil didn't break out offensively and Kofi was neutralized. Jimmy W dnp although was cleared to go (I was told) having recovered from recent shoulder injury. Monarchs missed him as his 3pt shooting and steady play has hurt Wilkes in the past. Think Kings also misses the presence of Sobocinski (graduation) who gave them a lot of defense, rebounding and hustle last year.

that's my thoughts for now.....

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: old ends on January 09, 2008, 06:40:59 PM
I know that this is a big in town matchup and the bragging rites, in any of the sports the compete against, goes on and on. Do you think that since Wilkes got great court time and scouting with the two day tourney at Kings it may have helped them at Kings last night?? After all they played against the same opponents.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 09, 2008, 07:31:04 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 08, 2008, 08:37:11 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on January 08, 2008, 03:52:29 PM
* BTW what exactly is a "heart of hearts"?

If the philosophy professor doesn't have that answer, how would us mere mortals? :)

+++++++++++++++++

We who assay to teach about philosophy can go only so far; the students have to do the rest of it, whatever it might be .... :P
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 10, 2008, 11:44:22 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on January 09, 2008, 09:07:43 AM
Old Colonels never disappear, they just fade away.

How are disappear and fade away different?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 10, 2008, 11:56:03 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 10, 2008, 11:44:22 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on January 09, 2008, 09:07:43 AM
Old Colonels never disappear, they just fade away.

How are disappear and fade away different?

They're "different" because things are done differently in the Coal Regions ....  ::)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: old ends on January 10, 2008, 06:15:25 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 10, 2008, 11:44:22 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on January 09, 2008, 09:07:43 AM
Old Colonels never disappear, they just fade away.

How are disappear and fade away different?

The Spelling??
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 10, 2008, 10:14:32 PM
Quote from: old ends on January 09, 2008, 06:40:59 PM
I know that this is a big in town matchup and the bragging rites, in any of the sports the compete against, goes on and on. Do you think that since Wilkes got great court time and scouting with the two day tourney at Kings it may have helped them at Kings last night?? After all they played against the same opponents.

Dear John Mackey, Mark Bavaro and Bob Tucker,

No
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 11, 2008, 12:01:02 PM
Nice article on F&M and Wilkes on D3 today.

They kind of make it sound as if these teams have totally disappeared:

Wilkes was 23-3 in 01.....
Wilkes made conference finals in 04 and 06 losing both....

Last year was a disaster to some............but they were still over .500

Wilkes has been decent in recent years ......but the mid-90's to early 2000 run is tough to match.

I guess I still remember when Wilkes didn't have a basketball program.
That ended around 16 years ago when Coach JR arrived.

Nuff said

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 11, 2008, 12:07:01 PM
2001 was seven years ago now. Nobody on the roster played on that team or was recruited by that team. That's a long time ago.

And again, I think we clearly reference their days as tournament powerhouses.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 11, 2008, 01:54:18 PM
A little touchy there Pat....lol

I liked the article and understood it completely.

For u youngsters, 2001 is a long time ago....for us graybeards.....it is like yesterday!!!!

The fifties was a long time ago for us....

http://oldfortyfives.com/TakeMeBackToTheFifties.htm

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on January 11, 2008, 02:49:06 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 11, 2008, 12:07:01 PMAnd again, I think we clearly reference their days as tournament powerhouses.

Who are "we?"
I admit Wilkes is not the team it once was but a supposed more stringent academic policy along with a few other items (I won't mention some higher ups at the school don't like Rickrode.....oh, I just did) might be another reason for the decline.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 11, 2008, 02:49:53 PM
We as in D3hoops.com.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on January 11, 2008, 02:57:40 PM
I know it's d3hoops.com but who is the "we" that wrote the story? Or was it a joint effort of "weez?"
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 11, 2008, 02:59:55 PM
ATN is written by someone who can't use his byline because of his day job. I'm sure you've been in that kind of situation.

Our ATN columnist position hasn't turned over in a long time, however.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on January 11, 2008, 03:13:54 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 11, 2008, 02:59:55 PM
ATN is written by someone who can't use his byline because of his day job. I'm sure you've been in that kind of situation.

Our ATN columnist position hasn't turned over in a long time, however.

Answer to the first part: Yes, I've been there. Some silly union rule prohibits a person from making a couple $$$ on the side. Hence, the many fictitious bylines I've used.
Second part: Hire me. ;D 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: old ends on January 11, 2008, 08:34:11 PM
Naismith:

Now I know how you can remember all the old ends. Although I could never play football because of an accident, when Ike was President. It is a nick name I got because of a limp. When walking by some people, a long time ago at a PSU game, they yelled " You  walk like your an old end". It stuck an friends have been calling me that since.

I enjoyed your insight into the MAC so keep up the banter.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on January 14, 2008, 01:45:17 PM
Wilkes roller coaster ride of a season continued on Saturday losing at home to Lebanon Valley College 59-47.  It was the Colonels third home loss in a row.  The Flying Dutchmen played a lot better than their 5-8 record, as they played with more fire and seemed to want the non conference game more than Wilkes.  They had a nice balanced team on the floor with 2 bigs inside and a very good shooting guard.   LVC dominated inside, especially on the glass in the first half, limiting Wilkes to one offensive rebound in the initial stanza.  The middle was wide open and LVC took advantage of it.  Rebounding is a lot hustle and the Dutchmen really went after it.  Two of Wilkes starters did not score a single point.  Freshman DeRojas had almost half the teams points finishing with 22.   Wilkes has been so inconsistent this year, you just dont know who will show up from game to game.  Maybe the fact that it was a non confernce tilt had some bearing in their unispired play.   However, on Wed.,  the conference favorite DeSales, invades the Marts Center,  in a real tough matchup for the Colonels.   We'll see which team shows up for the 6-6 Colonels. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 14, 2008, 04:12:44 PM
ljk:

It's not like the "old days" of Dutchmen v. Colonels, when Adam Burdett and Jags were students at Wilkes, and Panko and Grybowski were going at each other on the court ....
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on January 14, 2008, 09:30:09 PM
Warren:   I remember it well......Grybo would not let the middle be uncontested, for sure!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: old ends on January 15, 2008, 05:17:36 PM
ljk:

My nephew was at a couple of the Wilkes games and he made a comment about the players seemed to look at the bench a lot. He also thinks that if they make a mistake the coach pulls them out of the game to quickly.

Your thoughts.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on January 15, 2008, 06:42:10 PM
Quote from: ljk on January 14, 2008, 09:30:09 PM
Warren:   I remember it well......Grybo would not let the middle be uncontested, for sure!

I would have loved to see Gryboski try his thug tactics against players like Joe Conley, Bob Gehm, Doug Sherman, Chris Haray, Bob Dombrowski, etc. from Scranton  I guarantee he'd be picking up his teeth if he even looked at them.

Quote from: old ends on January 15, 2008, 05:17:36 PM
ljk:
My nephew was at a couple of the Wilkes games and he made a comment about the players seemed to look at the bench a lot. He also thinks that if they make a mistake the coach pulls them out of the game to quickly.
Your thoughts.

There was a coach named Bob Bessoir that had a quick hook as well. I'd say it worked out pretty well for him, wouldn't you?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: old ends on January 15, 2008, 08:15:26 PM

There was a coach named Bob Bessoir that had a quick hook as well. I'd say it worked out pretty well for him, wouldn't you?
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I  plead Inorance, I do not know who that person is and I look at the Wilkes web site and there is no mention of him as a past coach there. I am not from your area and only became interested in MAC because of my nephew. He also has only lived in the area a few years so that name was unknown to him. In the past I see that both Wilkes and Kings have had some sucess in basketball.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on January 15, 2008, 09:03:13 PM
Quote from: old ends on January 15, 2008, 08:15:26 PM
I am not from your area and only became interested in MAC because of my nephew. He also has only lived in the area a few years so that name was unknown to him.

Your nephew lived in this area? On purpose? ;D ;D ;D
Perhaps Naismith can educate you on Bess.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on January 15, 2008, 09:54:21 PM
CC: The fact that the Legend that is Bess is unknown to Old Ends is in itself hard to believe...but, then to confuse him as a "past coach" at Wilkes is sacrilege...complete & utter sacrilege. The mention of Chris "HipHip"Haray reminds me of the current batch of NCAA commercials where athletes talk about "going pro" in something other than sports. There is one where a young woman is now a nurse & she mentions how that profession seems so fitting because when she played hockey she sent a few players to the hospital. Somewhat ironic that Chris, who spent a career crashing the boards and knocking out opposing players teeth is now a dentist.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on January 16, 2008, 05:11:26 AM
I pity the customer that doesn't pay his/her bill. ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 16, 2008, 07:22:35 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on January 14, 2008, 04:12:44 PM
ljk:

It's not like the "old days" of Dutchmen v. Colonels, when Adam Burdett and Jags were students at Wilkes, and Panko and Grybowski were going at each other on the court ....

I'll see that and raise you my memory of the '99 MAC Championship between the #1-F Colonels and #1-C Dutchmen.  Leb Val had no guards able to keep up with Dave Jannuzzi.  What'd they do?  Send 6'9" All-American Andy Panko out in a box-and-1.  Loved it.

'Toga - what's with Scranton alumni and dentistry?  Isn't former PG Gerard Genco a dentist up in Green Ridge?

So, is tonight DeSales's first real test in conference?  2-0 in the MAC-F, 12-1 overall.  Big game for the Colonels.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 16, 2008, 08:52:52 AM
Quote from: saratoga on January 15, 2008, 09:54:21 PM
CC: The fact that the Legend that is Bess is unknown to Old Ends is in itself hard to believe...but, then to confuse him as a "past coach" at Wilkes is sacrilege...complete & utter sacrilege. The mention of Chris "HipHip"Haray reminds me of the current batch of NCAA commercials where athletes talk about "going pro" in something other than sports. There is one where a young woman is now a nurse & she mentions how that profession seems so fitting because when she played hockey she sent a few players to the hospital. Somewhat ironic that Chris, who spent a career crashing the boards and knocking out opposing players teeth is now a dentist.


Old ends should be banned for life for such an offense! Or banished to some remote corner of d3hoops.com
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on January 16, 2008, 10:52:40 AM
CJ: You are indeed correct regarding Gerard. I believe his office is on Green Ridge St. next to the library. Many of Bess's former players went into the medical professions & I think a number now play a role in keeping him as active as he is. A new hip courtesy of Dr. Banas was huge.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on January 16, 2008, 12:50:39 PM
Old Ends:  In the past, Coach JR was known to have quick hook,  but I haven't seen it much this year.  The reason might be that his bench is not that deep, basically using a lean 7 man rotation.  You were kidding about Coach Bessoir, right?  Cold Case:  Your comment about thug tactics reminded me of Jungle Jim Loscutoff, the Celtics henchman from years ago.  Col.:  You're right about huge conference game for the Colonels tonight.  DeSales comes into the Marts Center riding a 7 game winning streak and will be a tough match up for Wilkes.  We'll see which Colonels team shows up in their up and down season , the one who beat Kings away, or the one who lost to Keystone at home, and has lost its last 3 in a row in their house.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 16, 2008, 01:05:20 PM
Old ends,  that is Fred Bilentnikoff Lance Alworth, Johnny Orr,

Unbeknownst to most of the recent Royal Invaders into Freedom League territorial waters, there was a Bessoir in the Wilkes alumni directory. and JP didn't date HIM...lol.

Seems in his yearbook that he cites his Wilkes greatest moment as schooling Colonel John in the low post. Seems Bess torched CJ for 28 in a ZZZ division intramural game!!

What say you CJ -------how about me and Bess onto Papa Phil and Dr. CJ-----dinner at la Tosca hangs in the balance.

Anyway...OE....Coach Bessoir won a couple of national titles while coaching at Da U (Scranton).....one with his son Billy who was a DI transfer if I remember correctly.
Lots of opinions on his coaching style and ability but the record speaks for itself imho.
539-252 over 28 years. Two titles --1976 and 1983. runnerup 1988 and 3rd in 1977.

Scranton was a power in D3 during his reign. Wilkes played a sub-500 version of the game until Coach JR arrived 16 seasons ago and started notching some of his 296 wins to date and counting.....(Coach JR averages abou 19 wins per/season and I don't believe has ever had a losing season).

Naismith

Scrantonthrorth
Quote from: cold_case on January 15, 2008, 09:03:13 PM
Quote from: old ends on January 15, 2008, 08:15:26 PM
I am not from your area and only became interested in MAC because of my nephew. He also has only lived in the area a few years so that name was unknown to him.

Your nephew lived in this area? On purpose? ;D ;D ;D
Perhaps Naismith can educate you on Bess.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 16, 2008, 01:33:21 PM
LJK and CJ...

Have only seen DeSales on TV (cable) this year. They manhandled a prety good Moravian team (Mor is 10-4 with key wins over Lebanon Valley, Kean and Da U).

Team wise, deSales is shooting 50% from the floor and 35% from beyond the arc.
Stricker and Lapinski both around 65%!!! ....with Lapinski .435 from the 3pt line.  Very very formidable considering how poorly the Colonels fared against the baptist Bible and LVC bigs. Consider (despite high shooting % they still outrebound opponents on both off and def boards-------140-124 off and 344-287 def.
Kline, DeFeo, Gabriel and Kresge are going to have to step things up a notch tonight.

Braswell leads in minutes and averages 14 pts. Stricker averages 15pts and  Lapinski 12.6 pts.


Ohlson handles the ball well and has 113 assists to 46 turnovers.
As a team 243-199 a/to
opponents 141/194 a/to
Matt G will have to stay composed as Eddie O. is a tough matchup.

Based on minutes played, Desales go 7 to 9 deep.....

If Colonels can challenge boards, control tempo (DeSales likes to play a bit up tempo and often looks for the quick release to Ohlson with 1 or 2 players breaking down the sidelines---Braswell is very effective in that role), shoot better (see kings and delete BB, LVC) and, perhaps, get the DeSales bigs in some foul trouble.... then..... they have a shot.

Still, DeSales is the pick with a veteran team (Ohlson, McCloskey and Stricker Srs. & Lapinski a Jr.)-

Line DeSales (-11).

Naismith



Quote from: ljk on January 16, 2008, 12:50:39 PM
Old Ends:  In the past, Coach JR was known to have quick hook,  but I haven't seen it much this year.  The reason might be that his bench is not that deep, basically using a lean 7 man rotation.  You were kidding about Coach Bessoir, right?  Cold Case:  Your comment about thug tactics reminded me of Jungle Jim Loscutoff, the Celtics henchman from years ago.  Col.:  You're right about huge conference game for the Colonels tonight.  DeSales comes into the Marts Center riding a 7 game winning streak and will be a tough match up for Wilkes.  We'll see which Colonels team shows up in their up and down season , the one who beat Kings away, or the one who lost to Keystone at home, and has lost its last 3 in a row in their house.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 16, 2008, 04:45:33 PM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on January 16, 2008, 07:22:35 AM
I'll see that and raise you my memory of the '99 MAC Championship between the #1-F Colonels and #1-C Dutchmen.  Leb Val had no guards able to keep up with Dave Jannuzzi.  What'd they do?  Send 6'9" All-American Andy Panko out in a box-and-1.  Loved it.

CJ4L:

Unfortunately -- and to my sorrow -- I remember that game ....  :-[ :'(
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 16, 2008, 06:12:49 PM
CJ,

One last thing.

DeSales opponents combined records:  61-84 (missing Briarcliffe College )
Wilkes----94-70.

So, maybe there is some hope...this post moved the line 7pts. to DeSales (-4)..lol

c
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on January 16, 2008, 07:22:35 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on January 14, 2008, 04:12:44 PM
ljk:

It's not like the "old days" of Dutchmen v. Colonels, when Adam Burdett and Jags were students at Wilkes, and Panko and Grybowski were going at each other on the court ....

I'll see that and raise you my memory of the '99 MAC Championship between the #1-F Colonels and #1-C Dutchmen.  Leb Val had no guards able to keep up with Dave Jannuzzi.  What'd they do?  Send 6'9" All-American Andy Panko out in a box-and-1.  Loved it.

'Toga - what's with Scranton alumni and dentistry?  Isn't former PG Gerard Genco a dentist up in Green Ridge?

So, is tonight DeSales's first real test in conference?  2-0 in the MAC-F, 12-1 overall.  Big game for the Colonels.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on January 16, 2008, 07:41:56 PM
Quote from: naismith on January 16, 2008, 01:05:20 PM
Old ends,  that is Fred Bilentnikoff Lance Alworth, Johnny Orr,

Nais, it's Jimmy Orr, former Colts great WR who should be in the Hall of Fame. :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: old ends on January 16, 2008, 08:17:44 PM
Hey guys now that you educated me I can see that Coach Bessior had a great tenure at Scranton.

Growing up in Brooklyn and living in Vermont and Maryland, did not know that much about NEPA rich sports history.

My nephew just loves that fact that Kings and Wilkes are just blocks apart and can get to a lot of backetball games with his boy's.

Again thanks for the information.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 16, 2008, 08:41:38 PM
Quote from: naismith on January 16, 2008, 06:12:49 PM
CJ,

One last thing.

DeSales opponents combined records:  61-84 (missing Briarcliffe College )
Wilkes----94-70.

So, maybe there is some hope...this post moved the line 7pts. to DeSales (-4)..lol

Naismith,

You should start taking some bets with these lines.  You could make a living of the 5% juice on D3 action.

Using the Live Stats feature through the good people at D3hoops.com, I see it's 29-24 at the half.  Colonels making some noise... trying to win it outright!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 16, 2008, 09:28:23 PM
Seeing the final score, looks like Nais's original line was closer:  DeSales 68, Wilkes 58.

I see John Leighton was a ref, DeSales took 25 free throws, and Wilkes only took 11.  All a coincidence, I imagine?

A 3 point play, the old-fashioned way, from Chris DeRojas tied the game back up at 50 before DeSales pulled ahead for good.  Big win for the Bulldogs, but, ehh, they seem to win a lot of regular season games.

I leave the actual analysis to those who were there.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 16, 2008, 10:45:20 PM
You are correct once again CC-
Takes a Johnny U disciple to notice...lol

Johnny Orr was a coach and an arsonist:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Orr

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Leonard_Orr

Quote from: cold_case on January 16, 2008, 07:41:56 PM
Quote from: naismith on January 16, 2008, 01:05:20 PM
Old ends,  that is Fred Bilentnikoff Lance Alworth, Johnny Orr,

Nais, it's Jimmy Orr, former Colts great WR who should be in the Hall of Fame. :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 16, 2008, 11:41:55 PM
You are right CJ....the 11 pt. line was on the mark and a late Gulla layup covered the spread.

It was a tale of 2 halves.
Wilkes came out with great energy and tight defense. They led early by 9 or so.
Wilkes controlled the tempo, got the ball inside, hit a few timely jumpers and seemed in control.
They led by 9 with 2 min in 1st half but the Bulldogs reeled off the last 4 pts.
29-24 at the half.

A Kresge layup started the 2nd half for Wilkes but DeSales then chipped away.
With about 15 mins. to go, DeSales took their first lead and the teams jockeyed back and forth.
At 14 mins., Steve Kline must have thought he was playing golf and got Teed UP.

To the bench with 4 fouls and DeSales started to have their way inside. From 10 min down to game's end, DeSales scored only off layups or ft's. with the exception of 1 Ohlson 3.
Princiootto for a layup, Malatesta for a layup, Lapinski layup, Malatesta gain, then Braswell layup, then an Ohlson layup, Ohlson 3, Ohlson layup.

Meanwhile, Wilkes was content to launch 3's:

Last 7 minutes: missed 3 DeRojas, missed jumper Kresge, missed 3 Gould, 2 Kline layups around 3 min mark followed by missed Gabe FT, missed layup Gabriel, missed 3 DeRojas, missed 3 DeRojas.....................

Bottom line, DeSales was able to get the easier shots and connected...Wilkes fell behind and could not connect.

Statwise, Wilkes outshot DeSales 51-46.
Somehow I don't think Coach JR had a 3-17 effort from the arc in the gameplan.
DeSales was 4-7. from 3.


DeSales shot 60% 2nd half and 54% for game.
Wilkes shot 47% for game.

Assist to turnovers -
Wilkes 17-10 versus DeSales 12-10

DeSales won the glass 33-25

DeSales 14-25 ft's versus Wilkes 7-11.
Personal fouls 22 Wilkes versus 14 DeSales.

Overall, a very hard fought battle.
DeSales brought what was expected. Solid PG play from Ohlson with Stricker (7-9) a step quicker than the Wilkes bigs assigned to him. Thought Braswell showed some glimpses but overall a very average perfromance from him.
For Wilkes, Tom Kresge (8-13 and 20 pts) is a genuine Freedom Force.
Kline was effective scoring inside. Both he and Kresge were able to execute some nice plays inside.
Matt G and Chris G played some tenacious defense. Neither got too involved offensively 
DeFeo was crippled with fouls early.
DeRojas made some plays and is fearless. Shooting touch off a bit tonight but he has a nose for the basket. (like the high screen and roll but Kresge should set the screen ---Colonels used DeFeo tonight in that role --- Tom can roll or step back for the 3 on the return pass. Unfortunately for Wilkes, opposing teams do not guard DeFeo and double DeRojas often trapping him).
Gabriel had a moment or two of good play but still needs to tighten up his defense, improve his handle and decisionmaking.
He strikes me as a player that could score at will inside if he would put his mind to it and add some discipline to his game.
Instead, he took some ill advised 3's and missed a dunk!!!  Gabe makes some great plays but also some mindless ones each and every game. 

At the end of the day, DeSales remains the team to beat.
With some more experience and consistency, the Colonels could be formidable late season.

Naismith



I see John Leighton was a ref, DeSales took 25 free throws, and Wilkes only took 11.  All a coincidence, I imagine?

A 3 point play, the old-fashioned way, from Chris DeRojas tied the game back up at 50 before DeSales pulled ahead for good.  Big win for the Bulldogs, but, ehh, they seem to win a lot of regular season games.

I leave the actual analysis to those who were there.
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Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on January 17, 2008, 08:38:09 AM
No lines but we will have Saturday's broadcast of DeSales versus Elizabethtown at 3 pm EST on D3hoopsNet.

http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on January 17, 2008, 10:15:18 AM
The good team bad team showed up for the Colonels last night against DeSales.  The good team came out ready to go,  racing out to a 11-1 lead,  getting the ball inside, and leading at the half by 5.  Wilkes got some quick fouls on their big guys and it changed their game plan as it hurt their ability to feed the post.  DeSales clawed its way back into it and the game was tied at 50 with about 8 mins to go .  The Bulldogs then went on a 10-0 run to seal the deal. The experienced duo of Stricker and Ohlson  really got their act together.  Stricker is a load inside and Steady Eddie does not make too many mistakes running the point.  Braswell came out fired up in the 2nd half after an ineffective 1st half.  DeSales had 4 guys in double figures and a much deeper bench.  Wilkes suffered its fourth loss in a row at home and are now 6-7.  Desales is 13-1, 3-0 conf, and 8 wins in a row.    Naismith:  I agree with your comments on DeFeo and Gabriel.   Opposing teams not guarding DeFeo really puts the Colonels offense in a bind and hurts the overall flow.  He has to take the wide open shot, even if it looks like a knuckle curve, to make the defense honest.  Gabriel has a lot of upside, but seems to lack concentration.  In a few short minutes toward the end of the game , he committed 2 fouls, had a turnover and missed a dunk.  I don't agree with your assessment of Wilkes as a formidable team.  Early on in the season, I thought they looked like a .500 team and despite flashes of good play, I still think that.  They are just way too inconsistent, even on their home court, as tonight's tale of two halves demonstrated.  With FDU and Del Val to come, they should get some wins there.  However, Arcadia and Manhattanville could be tough.  In addition, keeping the team playing together during some adversity is not a easy thing to do.  Trying to predict wins and losses from the upcoming schedule usually doesnt work out anyway, so we'll have to wait and see which way the Colonels go.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 17, 2008, 12:27:56 PM
Nice synposis LJK.

Did you see what caused the ref to T -up Kline.
I could not tell.

As far as my "formidable" remark,
Wilkes has 3 established players in my eyes:

Kresge---playing at an all star type level -good at all facets of the game
Kline------can score inside, has improved his interior passing recently...can defend and rebound.....has to smile more 8) ....and grin at the zebras ;D
Gould----1st team all defense no doubt...shooting better....just stay under control...and be cool ;) 8)

The rest need improvement ---some just a little and some others alot...
DeRojas---an impressive freshman no doubt----"Little Big Man"---he makes Dustin Hoffman proud
Gulla-------must have split his Halloween candy as a kid----shares the ball too much at times imho....Certainly plays Sundance to Matt G's Butch Cassidy on defense. Tenacious on the boards and great instincts on the floor.
Ruby----need to see more to evaluate...he can shoot and has been solid on fundamentals.
DeFeo---all around hustler.....no glaring weaknesses other than scoring ability down low and mid-range jumper---needs 300 shots per/day---
Gabe----needs to concentrate and play team ball. Needs work on his handle.
could score a bundle down low if he puts his mind to it.




I think JR continues to coach, teach and tweak the lineup ....maybe we get some improvement from the freshman and sophs (JR is a tireless worker and very very competitive-----if I know 1 thing ----JR will not quit----remember how hard they played against Kings last year to avoid a losing season) ----

Of the conference teams, I think Wilkes has the most room to improve.

If they do, I think Kings, DeSales and Mville (although I have yet to see them play) will have their hands full.................

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: old ends on January 20, 2008, 12:15:41 PM
Glad to see that both Wilkes and Kings won yesterday. Also saw that DeSales lost  to Elizabethtown in a conference crossover game.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 21, 2008, 10:53:36 PM
Don Hutson,

Caught a part of Kings game. FDU put up a nice battle for 30 minutes.
FDU has some effective 3 point shooters and a bunch of freshman.
They are not all that big or physical with the exception of #25 Ciprut, who despite being undersized at the 4, is quite strong and plays  tough.
McPherson, a junior I think, is a nice player who can score.
I thought Neff #5  played the point well for a frosh.
Twill has a nice overall game and Biancosino can hurt you with his shot.

Kings hit nothing for the first 10 mins.
Their highlight was a Scalzo airball from the foul line (barely touched the bottom of the net)....
Kofi came in at the 7 minute mark and sparked the Monarchs.
A steal and layup, jumper, trey, layup  etc. 
His energy level really piced up the team and they forged to a 4pt halftime lead.

FDU would tie the game eqrly 2nd half but King's size and skill wore FDU down.
McPherson spent much of the 2nd half going one on one while King's Soboleski asserted himself on the
boards and played his normal dtermined, hardnosed game.

I think Kings has DeSales and that should be a good one.

Wilkes, who edged Arcadia, meets the other new kid on the block: Manhattanville. 
Should be an interesting week.

Naismith
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Glad to see that both Wilkes and Kings won yesterday. Also saw that DeSales lost  to Elizabethtown in a conference crossover game.
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Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 22, 2008, 01:11:49 PM
Quote from: naismith on November 25, 2007, 04:33:07 PM
Pat, please please let us know how to change this background toa readable color.  This blue just doesn't work.

I found the place to make this change. Still befuddled, though, as to why the first two years we had this background color weren't an issue for you. :)
Title: DeSales vs. King's
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on January 22, 2008, 03:10:08 PM
To all Freedom Conference fans.

We are pretty much looking at Freedom Conference games for most of the teams the rest of the way so that means we are getting to the exciting part of the season.  With that being said the DeSales/King's match-up on Wednesday can be viewed online in two different ways.

Radio at this link - http://www.fox1470.com/pages/foxstreaming.html (http://www.fox1470.com/pages/foxstreaming.html)

Live Stats at this link - http://livestats.internetconsult.com/desales/mbball/ (http://livestats.internetconsult.com/desales/mbball/)

The game will also be featured on TV on tape delay on Thursday.  You can watch it at two different times (3:30 pm or 10:00 pm) on thursday.  It will air on Service Electric Cable (channel 2 in the Lehigh Valley).
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 22, 2008, 11:16:59 PM
Pat,

Thanks for the change.
I think the problem for me was monitor driven and the associated lighting. I upgraded to one of of those big new monitors and that, along with the lighting seemed to have lhave had an effect on the readability...

whatever,, thanks.














irot
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 22, 2008, 01:11:49 PM
Quote from: naismith on November 25, 2007, 04:33:07 PM
Pat, please please let us know how to change this background toa readable color.  This blue just doesn't work.

I found the place to make this change. Still befuddled, though, as to why the first two years we had this background color weren't an issue for you. :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 22, 2008, 11:19:01 PM
Is the Service Electric the tape delay or is that live tomorrow and tape delay Thurs.?
Should be a good one.
Quote from: BJ - DSU SID on January 22, 2008, 03:10:08 PM
To all Freedom Conference fans.

We are pretty much looking at Freedom Conference games for most of the teams the rest of the way so that means we are getting to the exciting part of the season.  With that being said the DeSales/King's match-up on Wednesday can be viewed online in two different ways.

Radio at this link - http://www.fox1470.com/pages/foxstreaming.html (http://www.fox1470.com/pages/foxstreaming.html)

Live Stats at this link - http://livestats.internetconsult.com/desales/mbball/ (http://livestats.internetconsult.com/desales/mbball/)

The game will also be featured on TV on tape delay on Thursday.  You can watch it at two different times (3:30 pm or 10:00 pm) on thursday.  It will air on Service Electric Cable (channel 2 in the Lehigh Valley).
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 23, 2008, 12:03:50 AM
If u told me that the winner of Wilkes-Manhattanville would score 99 pts, I would have given you my best Joe Namath guarantee that the Valiants would have won......Wilkes 99   Manhattanville 72.
And it really wasn't that close!!

The Colonels jumped out to a 16-4 lead and never looked back. It was a powerful performance for Wilkes and a somewhat futile effort by the Valiants.
Wilkes shot 65% for the game, 50% from behind the arc and 75% from the line.
Manhattanville:  39% for the game...33% from the arc and 67% from the line.

The team from purchase led in rebounds 39-29 to's 19-17 . Wilkes had 25 assists! to 9 for the Vals.

Wilkes displayed terrific ball movement against an in your face man to man.  >:(
When the Vals pressed, Wilkes transitioned into some easy baskets. ;)
The Colonels were the taller team and were able to score inside and out. ;D
DeRojas (started tonite) was on fire and hit 8-13 for the contest with 6 3's. 4-4 from the line completed a 26 pt. effort.
Gould (15), Kline (14) on 6-10, Kresge (13) 6-9 Defeo (9) 4-4 and Gulla (7) 1-1 ann 4-4 ft's.  It was nice to see Pstrak and Hoppy score.

Wilkes disciplined style seemed to frustrate the Vals and the extra pass resulted in many open looks. ::)

For Manhattanville, they played quite physical and hard for the entire contest despite being down 20 plus most of the contest.
They full court pressed quite and bit and. as I said, pretty much got in Wilkes' face.
The Vals dished out some very hard fouls and managed to garner 3 technical fouls. ???

On offense, they resorted to a lot of 1 on 1 basketball. They often drove to hoop totally out of control and hoisted wild shots.  :P
They did crash the boards and were very athletic overall.
As usual, Wilkes guards Matt Gould and Chris Gulla played the Val guards very tough. Chisolm shot 2-9 and Moffet 4-11 from the field.

Lamar Glass scored a bunch in the 2nd half on 6-8 shooting and he appears to be a very talented freshman. Glass is from Dallas, Texas. Manhattanville also has a County Corker Irishman in Mike Horgan (certainly a fmailiar name to Freedom Leaguers) another frosh from Cameroon and a junior from Hong Kong ------------wonder what's on the menu????

Anyway, in sum, Wilkes probably played one of their best games and LJK---they looked FORMIDABLE to me. ...lol.
Manhattanville fell behind early and just could not get untracked.

I get the feeling that the Valiants will be pointing for the Colonels when they make the return visit to Purchase. 8)

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on January 23, 2008, 10:45:09 AM
Naismith:  Formidable indeed, and unconsious too!  Wilkes came out full throttle hitting on all cylinders right from the get go and the rout was on as they crushed Manhattanville.   It was never a game as the Colonels shattered their 4 game losing streak at home.  With great ball movement and unselfish play, always making the extra pass, it was something we hadn't seen all year and resulted in their best overall game of the year.  Manhattanville came in 11-4, 3-0, and I was expecting much more.  They are a very undisciplined team of one on one street ballers who like to run up and down the floor.  Without any kind of system, their playground style was mostly out of control and they were taken out of it early.  Their bench kept yelling defense and their guys on the floor just weren't listening.  You cannot leave DeRojas alone with open looks like they did,  hes a deadly shooter (6-3s) and an instant offense kind of player.  I like the fact that he started for the 2nd straight game and the freshman has responded with 26 points back to back.   The hard nosed point guard Matt Gould was oll over the floor finishing with 15 points and 10 assists.   The gritty Colonel took some shots and gave some shots as he hit the deck on numerous occasions.  With the technical fouls, the game was getting physical and a little chippy, and a good idea for Wilkes to get their starters out.  Wilkes has a modest 2 game winning streak (8-7, 3-1), and with Del Val and FDU next, might make a little hay before the rematch with DeSales at their place.   Shooting 65 % will make a team formidable, but, even you Nais., with your high basketball IQ, lol,  could not see this coming.  I agree that the rematch with the Valiants will be a rough and tumble affair.  Can we get Gryboski back for one more game?
Title: TV Schedule
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on January 23, 2008, 05:54:32 PM
Sorry Naismith, I just saw your message with the TV question.  I am not as regular a visitor to the posting board as you guys.

The games are tape delay.  Lehigh plays same night so they get the LIVE TV time.  The men will air on Thursday at 3:30 pm and 10 pm.

BJ
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 23, 2008, 09:35:54 PM
thanks,

watched the play by play...DeSales 62-60.



Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 31, 2008, 12:10:30 AM
Leave it to me to restart this board. 

Wilkes wins tonight.  Which is more significant out of the game tonight?
(a) Wilkes moving to 5-1 in conference, ahead of the DeSales clash on Saturday
(b) Jerry Rickrode racking up win #300 career
(c) Wilkes getting up big, and keeping a lead

My vote is (b).  Big ups to the Coach.  300 wins puts him in some elite company.  Congrats   ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 31, 2008, 01:08:28 AM
Yep, some pretty good coaches reaching 300 wins this season.

http://www.d3hoops.com/milestones/2008
300 wins
Jerry Rickrode, Wilkes Jan. 30
Jim Scheible, Rochester Jan. 10
Ted Van Dellen, UW-Oshkosh Nov. 21
Ron Holmes, McMurry Nov. 17
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on January 31, 2008, 01:15:21 PM
Steve Kline had a career high 25 points to lead Wilkes over an undersized FDU team and give Coach JR his 300th win, and the Colonels their 4th win in a row.   King's lost to Manhattanville in double overtime.  Looks like a 5 team race for 4 playoff spots.  DeSales 6-0, Wiilkes 5-1, Manhattanville 4-2, King's 3-3, and Arcadia 2-4.  Next up for Wilkes is DeSales on Saturday , a huge game, and a tough match up, on the road for the Colonels.   Getting very interesting. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 31, 2008, 02:00:59 PM
Coach JR---congratualtions on job well done.....

Hard to beleive it has been almost 16 seasons.

Saw a few of the Coach's ex-players in attendance including Sports Center Star Jay Williams...........

Was a good night to be a Colonel.

Yes, LJK, DeSales should be a good one. Wilkes hung in last time for 30 minutes until some fouls and other issues hurt the Colonels. DeSales has no glaring weakness.........the Colonels will have to be at their best.

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on January 31, 2008, 06:07:03 PM
Obscure fact of the day:
Wilkes coach beats FDU for his 300th win...
Not too long ago, former FDU coach Kindel beat Wilkes for his 300th win...

It's amazing what trivia can pop into your mind during a long work day....
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: old ends on January 31, 2008, 08:01:58 PM
Congrats to Wilkes Coach Jerry Rickrode. Big game for them this weekend.

I thought Kings would be more of a contender this year. Hope they are not waiting for the playoff's.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 01, 2008, 12:37:56 AM
Old Ends---Charlie Berry (old end for the 1925 Potttsville Maroons-)-----------

Highly recommend picking up a copy of recently realeased book titled..."The Breaker Boys"--The NFL's greatest team and the stolen 1925 Championship"

As to Kings,

My observations:

For whatever reason, Coach JP has chosen to disrupt 3 years of chemistry and start 2 freshman: Conroy and Hacker.


1) From the team standpoint, the loss of Sobocinski from last season left a void at the 'defensive stopper' position. Sobo was a physical, hardnosed presence who could hurt you with his shooting rebounding and all around hustle. I think the Monarchs miss the 'fire' that he brought to the floor.

Fact is, Vince S, Jamie C, Jimmy W, &  Ryan N, as skilled as they are,  tend to be 'quiet' and compsoed on the floor. Effective but not real demonstrative.

2) Kings plays a pretty disciplined game. They are not extremely quick at any one position. They do match up size wise pretty well with most opponents.
They do not match up all that well with super athletic and quick teams. Kings can be pressured if the opponent has the right personnel. Hence, a very athletic Manhattanville bunch can give a team like Kings fits. Ditto last year in the NCAA 1st round loss. (keep in mind that they led Manhattanville by 15 reasonably late in the double ot loss)

3) Defensively, I think Kings is vulnerable. Opponents seem to be able to get  their shots. The bigs are strong but not overly quick  The guards are capable but each has a defensive weakness.

With all that, (new lineup, quikness issues, defensive issues)  Kings is still in a reasonably good position with a 7 team league this year. They should manage 7 to 8 wins in the Freedom which will put them in the playoffs with the opportunity to make it 3 NCAA tournaments for the core group of seniors.

The freshman experience will help playoff time and you still have a solid core of seniors.  (Kofi, Ryan N and Jimmy W are a pretty nice trio to have on your bench)They match up well with DeSales. Wilkes is always a war. Manhattanville is a wildcard for any of the above three. (those are the 4 teams I expect to see in playoffs).

So, in sum, I think JP has been tinkering this season with the lineup looking for a combo that clicks. Come playoff time, Kings should come together and make their run.
Most fans (like myself) have opinions as to lineups, mionutes etc etc.

But it is Coach JP that has won 2 of 3 Freedom titles with this group....so I think you defer to him. 

Naismith


ought Kings would be more of a contender this year. Hope they are not waiting for the playoff's.
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Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 01, 2008, 07:36:42 PM
Nais,

I think you summed it up pretty well.  I think going into the season, many Monarch fans (myself included) thought with the expierience of these seniors and their history, combined with the fact of a MAC conference that didn't appear as strong on paper as last year, that a Conference champion was nearly a shoe-in.  However, I agree that many of us overlooked what King's lost last year.  I agree totally that  Sobocinski is missed, and I don't know if anyone has been able to replace that energy.  Also, I think Bob N.'s presence off the bench last year is also missed.  However, Conroy has looked good in the games I've seen and I think he might be the gem of this freshman class.

Also, what we forget is King's wasn't leaps and bounds ahead of the field last year.  They squeaked by DeSales twice, they just beat Scranton twice.  This year their losing these games by the same small margin.  So I think this year, a few breaks haven't gone their way that went their way last year.  Also, except for the seniors, the rest of the team is still gaining expierience at the varsity level. 

The homer in me still likes their chances.  Usually, JP finds his go to rotaition before conference play starts, but hopefully they find it before the playoffs.  They just have to win the games their supposed to win, and knock off a DeSales or Wilkes team for their own sanity.  Anything can happen in the playoffs, hopefully the seniors can go out on the right note.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: breezy77 on February 04, 2008, 01:03:17 PM
i told everyone earlier in the season that kings didn't look like they were playing hard.  i was assured they would turn it on when conference play started.  i said at the time i didn't think you can "turn it on and turn it off"  whenever you want.  you must build good habits throughout the year.  i think that kings has talent but not the heart and desire of a champion.  we will see.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: old ends on February 09, 2008, 08:16:40 PM
DeSales has now dropped two in a row, today to Manhattanville at home. This puts a 3 way tie for the lead in the conference with Kings one game back.

Wilkes look like the had a easy one againts Del Val while Kings struggled against Arcadia. Maybe Kings and Wilkes could be fighting for the title in a few weeks.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 12, 2008, 10:38:11 AM
Pretty clear which 4 teams are making the postseason.  What's beautiful right now is that anyone could be playing anywhere once the postseason starts.

Sure King's is 4th now.  They just beat DeSales by 8 and FDU by 40+.
Sure DeSales is 1st now.  They just lost 2 in a row.

Can't wait to see how the Manhattanville - Wilkes game plays out.  Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 12, 2008, 05:17:36 PM
CJ,

Since Breezy made hsi "I told you so" remarks, Kings has not lost....lol.

On notice: Ryan N is getting a few more minutes and lot more points. Sobo is player of the week and Kofi continues to impress.
My guess: the "Six  Seniors" (Kofi, Cousart, Scalzo, Sobo, Welsh, Nensteil) get a lot of playoff floor time.

Still the pick to take it all.

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: DSU Backer on February 13, 2008, 04:34:02 PM
I Have enjoyed reading this forum this season.  Thought I would register and post.  I like DeSales to take the number one seed in the tournament.  Kings, Wilkes, and Manhattenville have a round robin, of sorts, to play with each team having a home and away game.  I think they will beat each other up.  They should be fun games to watch as each game has seeding implications.  DeSales is at Del Val tonight, home against FDU on Saturday and finish league play next Wednesday at Arcadia.  Schedule certainly favors DeSales, but you still have to play the games.  DeSales has not played well in their last two games and Scott Coval will whip them back in shape.

It seems that Kings has turnded the corner on their season and is playing well of late.  Kings and DeSales have played 10 times in the last 4 seasons with Kings winning 7 times, twice in the converence finals.  Once at DeSales in '04-'05 and at Kings last season.  Any of the 4 teams can win the tournament.  That said, I believe Kings and DeSales will be playing in the finals again.  The homer in me says that DeSales wins at home and goes to the NCAA tournament for, this group of seniors, first time.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 13, 2008, 05:30:18 PM
Welcome aboard -- the board could always use new posters!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on February 14, 2008, 10:37:00 AM
Naismith:  I had heard that King's Coach JP challenged his seniors a few weeks back.  Basicially, telling them that they appeared to have given up, and if that's the case, that he would play the younger guys.  The chewing out apparently has worked and the team has responded.   I agree with your take on Ryan N., we saw what he did last year late in the year in the crucial games.  He's had an up and down year, as has the team, but if he gets hot again, he could carry them again or at least be a big piece.    I agree with DSU Backer that any of the 4 teams has a shot, and even though King's has had DeSales number, I'm leaning toward DeSales.  Whats your guys take on Manhattanville?  I saw them get blown out from the get go at Wilkes.  Although very athletic, they didn't seem to have a clue about team ball.   They must have regrouped and turned it around,  maybe just a bad night at Wilkes, .  I think Wilkes will have a tougher game this time around at their place.  I expect a very physical contest, as things were very rough in the last game at Wilkes.   It will be very interesting to see how it all shakes out.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: DSU Backer on February 14, 2008, 02:43:01 PM
Manhattenville should not be taken lightly.  They are very quick, aggressive, and athletic.  Their place is very difficult to play in, very small.  I will be interested in hearing what people have to say after playing there.  Personally, I'm pulling for Wilkes over Manhattenville.  DeSales has the tie-breaker with Wilkes, but they split with Manhattenville.

Does anyone know how the tie-breakers work after head to head?  What about a 3-way tie?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: GoValiants2 on February 14, 2008, 03:59:31 PM
We'll have tonight's Manhattanville/Wilkes games (both men and women!) on a live audio feed accessible here: http://www.broadcastmonsters.com/Manhattanville/manhattanville.asx

Live Stats:
Men (8:00) - http://www.cstv.com/gametracker/launch/gt_mbaskbl.html?event=648008&school=manv&sport=mbaskbl&camefrom=&startschool=&
Women (6:00) - http://www.cstv.com/gametracker/launch/gt_wbaskbl.html?event=648010&school=manv&sport=wbaskbl&camefrom=&startschool=&
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: GoValiants2 on February 14, 2008, 04:05:39 PM
Quote from: DSU Backer on February 14, 2008, 02:43:01 PM
...Does anyone know how the tie-breakers work after head to head?  What about a 3-way tie?

In response to tie-breakers, the Freedom (and Commonwealth) work like this, starting with one and proceeding down until the tie is broken:
1) Head-to-Head, in conference games, between teams that are tied
2) Head-to-Head between teams (overall - including any non-conference games, such as at a tournament) that are tied
3) Win-Loss versus conference teams (starting with #1, then #2, etc.)
4) Win % in road conference games
5) Head-to-Head against common non-conference opponents

There are a couple of other ways to break a tie, but that should handle any tie we may see.
Title: TieBreakers
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 14, 2008, 04:49:01 PM
This should solve any question anyone has in regards to tiebreakers over the remainder of the season.

Feel free to post questions if confused about how the tiebreakers work.  It up to date as of last night's games.

2007-08 Men's Basketball Playoff Matrix (http://athletics.desales.edu/Pdfs/mbball/2007/2/6/HoopsMatrixM.pdf)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: breezy77 on February 17, 2008, 09:21:03 AM
it looks like kings is finally hitting it's stride!!!  they are really starting to shoot the ball well.  the seniors may have finally decided it is time to play for real. however, in the playoffs defense usually wins.  does kings play good enough defense to win the conference tournament??  you guys have watched them for years.  what do you think??
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 17, 2008, 03:34:54 PM
King's beat Manhattanville by 29??  Wow.  King's seems to be peaking at the right time.  Think JP's got the horses to make it 2 out of 3?

King's and Wilkes both beat Manhattanville by 25+ at home, and lost on the road.  My follow-up question is this:  Is Manhattanville that good at home, or that bad on the road??  If they host a 2-3 game, it looks good for Manhattanville.

DSU SID, first off, love the matrix.  Well done.  Anyway, got a question for ya.  How many seasons has DeSales had a home playoff game?  I remember a couple, most notably that doubleheader night in '04.  DeSales, to say the very least, is due to cut down a net.

That said, you honestly think I'd post all that up... and believe any of it?  ;D Why?  Wilkes has the Wizard of Wilkes-Barre, and no one else does.  Wilkes faithful, fear not at the Arcadia loss.  It's a solid roster of players, and this team belongs on the floor with anyone in the conference.  Hell, Wilkes has already beaten Manhattanville and King's (by double digits).

2 weeks left.  Enjoy the ride.
Title: DSU home playoff history
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 17, 2008, 08:42:05 PM
CJ4Life

To answer your question yes the Bulldogs have had several home playoff games.

1999-00 hosted Lebanon Valley in the 1st round (back when the two leagues crossed over) and lost (67-61)

2002-03 hosts Lycoming (W/88-73) and then lost AT Scranton in the final by 7

2003-04 (the one you remember) - Lost to Wilkes in the first round by 16...this one really hurt cause we had dominated the regular season going 22-3, 12-2 in the Freedom, had not lost at home all year, and had won eight straight heading into the playoffs.  Played probably our worst game of the year that day and back then the NCAA Tournament had not expanded yet and we were left out.

2004-05 rebounded from a disappointing finish to the previous year (see above) and earned #1 seed once again.  Hosted Wilkes and won 67-63 and then lost to King's at home in the championship by 5 in a terrific game.  Our gym was standing room only, both student sections were loud and the game was tight the whole way.  This was the freshman year for the seniors of today.

2006-07 No home games but we upset Scranton on the road and then lost to King's by 3 AT King's in the final.

I am not sure we are due to cut a net down or not, but I'd like to see it happen.  We certainly have endured more championship game losses (THREE) over the past five years than anyone else has.  We will find out very soon if its our turn.

I travel with my hoops teams all the time and have seen every team play twice this season and in my opinion any of the top four can win a title this year.  Who ever is playing the best "Ball" that final week of February is whose gonna walk away with a strand of someone's net.  While I do believe that home court is a slight advantage, I am of the belief that in the playoffs its not as big of an advantage as it is in the regular season.  Your getting every team's best effort and regardless of the court the game is played on, the winner is usually the team playing better, not the one playing at home.

It should be an exciting next two weeks.  I am looking forward to it.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 18, 2008, 05:56:58 PM
BJ - exactly the post I was looking for.  Thank you.  As such, I awarded you a karma point.  Now, we just need to figure a way to redeem these karma points at Penn National, Mount Airy, or Pocono Downs.

So, if your guys lost 3 Finals appearances in the past 5 years, Wilkes must have lost the only other 2.  '04 at Lycoming and '06 at Scranton (hose job).

My only caveat to DeSales is this - beware the curse of Greg Riley.  Following the '05 Wilkes playoff loss at DeSales, former post-er-upper Greg Riley let out a solid 3-4 minute profanity laced tirade.  Included were all the greatest hits: "If this place had more than 8 rows of seats", "Those G-D Freedom refs again", "I drove an hour-plus for THIS?", and many more.  Then the rant ended with a prophecy.  "This team will never win another playoff game in this dump."  Not saying the guy is Nostradamus.  Just putting it out there.

BJ - good luck.  Hope your boys can beat King's in a 1 vs. 4 game.  Best way to end the curse.

Best time of the year.  No doubt.
Title: Billera Hall
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 18, 2008, 06:23:10 PM
CJ4Life,

Thanks for the karma points...never can have too many of those, although I am not sure what exactly I get for them.  I am an avid golfer so some tokens to the local driving range at CVC would be cool.

I'll certainly keep an eye out for that curse you speak of.  If I see any ghosts hanging around the gym on my late nights I'll politely ask them to hit the NExt or Rt. 78 (East) and find themselves another Freedom Gym to haunt.

I must, however, defend our gym affectionately known as Billera Hall.  Many a poster has come here over my time at DeSales and ripped the place for various reasons, but I happen to really like it.

Here is my argument.  We in NCAA Division III (at least in this area) are not drawing crowds of more than 1,000 on a regular basis.  I think we draw pretty well here.  We average in the 300 range and for the games that we play another good team we'll come close to 500-600.  With those kind of attendance numbers it can get pretty loud in here and creates quite an atmosphere.

No disrespect to Scandlon Gymnasium (King's) or the Marts Center (Wilkes), but those places are huge (as compared to ours).  I suspect for the inter-town rivalry those two are packed but for DeSales games in those places they draw about the same amount of fans as we do in Billera Hall for that kind of match-up and the atmosphere is not nearly as memorable.

I'll give one quick example.

Championship game in 2005 (DSU vs. KC in Billera Hall)...standing room only, two loud student sections...fans all over the place.  we have 900+ seats and there had to be close to 1,100 people.  I would not have traded that atmosphere for anything as either a fan or a player.  It was cool.  Wish we would have won, but I have no control over that.

Championship game in 2007 (DSU vs. KC in Scandlon)...about the same amount of fans...two more loud student sections, but that gym is just so big the atmosphere was not as it was in Billera Hall in 2005.  Now don't get me wrong, the atmosphere last year was really good, but I'd give the edge to the 2005 game because it was tighter confines and the energy was just bouncing.  You could feel the building shaking in 05.

Its kind of like Cameron Indoor (Small) vs. the Dean Dome (Big).  I am a fan of those smaller, more intimate venues than the big mutli-purpose behemoths they build now.  Although I can't stand Duke and root for UNC in that rivalry.

Just my opinion and my two sense.  Billera Hall is not all that bad a place to watch or play a good college basketballl game.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 19, 2008, 07:41:51 AM
Great example.  I'd love to refute that, but I can't.  Best I got is this.  That night in '05, that's the best Billera Hall can ever get.  Take a bigger gym, with a seating capacity of 2500 or so.  Give me any matchup among Wilkes, King's, and Scranton, it's a good crowd.  Turn the intensity up to postseason, it's chaos.  Hell, give me a good Scranton women's game back in the day... like 2006... and it gets interesting.  Just a thought.

In other news, Happy Rivalry Day to Leo and the other residents of the ickey half of Wilkes-Barre.   ;D  See everyone there in about 12 hours as I make my commute to the north.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 19, 2008, 08:13:49 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on February 18, 2008, 05:56:58 PMSo, if your guys lost 3 Finals appearances in the past 5 years, Wilkes must have lost the only other 2.  '04 at Lycoming and '06 at Scranton (hose job).

I love reading CJ's posts, although few and far between anymore. However, there is a CJ clone on the Landmark Board in the person of Colonel Matt, so it's almost like CJ never left the building.
If Wilkes got hosed at Scranton in '06, what does that make the Susquehanna playoff game at Wilkes back in the mid-to-late 1990's?? The was the most blatant and disgracful scene I've ever witnessed.
However, since CJ has made a return and once again entertained me, I'll click applaud and give him some karma.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wb1313 on February 19, 2008, 09:23:34 AM
Guess who's back... :o

I do miss my buddy Saratoga, and I doubt there will ever be another "dynamite" post, but needless to say I'm sitting here wasting away thinking about Margaritaville (above Senunas') and thinking about the old days when Januzzi, Grybowski, et al used to run roughshod over King's.  Unfortunately, the Arcadia debacle has taken the wind out of my trash-talking sails.  JP and company are hitting stride, Wilkes and company..well, maybe Derojas can listen to his sister's cuban gospel songs and get inspiration because I think it's going to take divine intervention to win tonight. 


For those that don't understand my reference to cuban gospel songs:
http://www.catholicmusicnetwork.com/profiles/293.asp?x=1



Title: Big Gym/Small Gym
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 19, 2008, 11:23:00 AM
CJ - Your argument was also good.  If a big gym can legitimately get 2,500 people to a game it could be a pretty special atmosphere.  I'd agree.

Enjoy tonight's action...I'll be at Arcadia to see if my men can get a road win against a hot team, playing on senior night with its playoff life on the line.  Should be a tough one tonight.

BJ
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 19, 2008, 12:18:07 PM
CC,

Don't quite understand the 06 stocking stuffer allegation.

As I recall, Wilkes had a 'less than comfortable' lead heading into the final few minutes when:
Constantine inexpicably double dribbled with no pressure (unforced eror)
Matt Gould missed two free throws
Scranton hit a looooooong center three
Fitz made 2 free throws
Wilkes gets an unbelievable sideline call and  final possession.
Shovlin dribbles off his leg and Kable misses a desperation off balance shot.

Wilkes had control of that one but the Royals perservered and pulled it out.

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Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on February 18, 2008, 05:56:58 PMSo, if your guys lost 3 Finals appearances in the past 5 years, Wilkes must have lost the only other 2.  '04 at Lycoming and '06 at Scranton (hose job).

I love reading CJ's posts, although few and far between anymore. However, there is a CJ clone on the Landmark Board in the person of Colonel Matt, so it's almost like CJ never left the building.
If Wilkes got hosed at Scranton in '06, what does that make the Susquehanna playoff game at Wilkes back in the mid-to-late 1990's?? The was the most blatant and disgracful scene I've ever witnessed.
However, since CJ has made a return and once again entertained me, I'll click applaud and give him some karma.
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Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 19, 2008, 12:41:19 PM
As for some recent observations,

Blame it on the bus driver:

Understand the Colonels played pretty well in loss to Manhattanville.
As far as the Vals accomodations, I hear Clint Eastwood is running for Mayor of Purchase:
It is Good Bad and Ugly!

Hostile (good) profane laced gym (bad) and fans that charge on the court contesting jump balls ...lol...(UGLY).

Then the garminless bus driver decides to give the Colonels a free tour of the NYC suburbs and breaks curfew arriving home at 3:30 am.  I wonder if there is chapter devoted to him in this book:

Shortened link (http://books.google.com/books?id=bp3Xxr7Qhr0C&dq=explorers+who+got+lost&pg=PP1&ots=cwNm4NY9j-&sig=oZnwRMaBqrI8hA0qJhLCi4FGGvs&hl=en&prev=http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=explorers+who+got+lost&sa=X&oi=print&ct=title&cad=one-book-with-thumbnail)

Anyway, Colonels had a tough time once again against a quick and relentless Arcadia squad.
Wilkes looked in control midway 2nd half (9 point lead). Arcadia kept pushing with some solid inside play and timely three's. Colonels looked flustered and lost composure.
I felt Arcadia outhustled and outpoised the Colonels and very much earned that win.

Seems Wilkes has trouble handling quick athletic teams regardless of their size advantage.
The last 2 opponents had some success breaking down the Colonels off the dribble. It has led to some very open looks and/or second chance baskets via weakside offensive rebounds.

Should be a good one tonite. Kings looks well prepped for their playoff run. Wilkes still needs to get in the playoffs..........

Line -------Kings (-11).

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 19, 2008, 01:58:35 PM
Nais, I think you have me confused with CJ on the " '06 stocking stuffer allegation."
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 19, 2008, 02:30:02 PM
Looking over King's schedule, I do see a disturbing trend.  Including the Wilkes-Barre Classic, and henceforth, King's is 10-3.  The 3 losses are Manhattanville (since avenged), DeSales (since avenged), and Wilkes (playing tonight).  You can make the case King's is playing some of the best ball out there right now.

WB1313, welcome home, sir.  Welcome home.  And thanks for bringing my Senior Prom date into the discussion... jerk.   :D  CDR is a heck of a shooting guard.  Put up 26 in 3 straight games.  The guy can play.  Kresge can play.  Kline can play.  DeFeo... is tall. 

Nais, everything points to King's winning by 11 or more.  That said, I'll still take Wilkes.  What's the wager, a ColonelDog?  Wilkes won by 10 last month.  And 1 month does not equal 20+ points.  Game on.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 19, 2008, 02:33:45 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 19, 2008, 08:13:49 AM
I love reading CJ's posts, although few and far between anymore. However, there is a CJ clone on the Landmark Board in the person of Colonel Matt, so it's almost like CJ never left the building.
If Wilkes got hosed at Scranton in '06, what does that make the Susquehanna playoff game at Wilkes back in the mid-to-late 1990's?? The was the most blatant and disgracful scene I've ever witnessed.
However, since CJ has made a return and once again entertained me, I'll click applaud and give him some karma.

ColonelMatt... pfff, REAL original.  CC, accept no substitutes.

And I vaguely remember the Susquehanna game.  Wilkes got down like 12-0, then came back to win, right?  Anything other than that, you'll have to refresh the ol' memory.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 19, 2008, 02:47:35 PM
CJ, you'll have to ask Naismith, the Wilkes clock operator or Frank Marcinek
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 19, 2008, 06:01:09 PM
Still can't be any worse than that Rutgers / Tennessee women's game a week or two ago... y'know, the one where the game clock magically halted at 0.2 until the game-decided foul was committed.  I'm still stunned  that the NCAA can't overturn that game.

Anyway, off to Wilkes-King's II  8)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 19, 2008, 10:07:16 PM
Just listened to a nice Monarchs W on the webstream of Wilkes Radio.  So correct me if I'm wrong, if the Monarchs and M'Ville win out, King's will be the two seed.  Just did a quick scan of the schedules and it looks like it would go to King's, but someone clear me up if I'm wrong. 

Anyway to add the discussion 2007 MAC Championship Game > 2005 MAC Championship Game.  I'm obviously biased but the one thing I'll remember for 2007 is the entire gym rising to its feet and giving the standing O to both teams during the final Timeout with 16 or so seconds left.  Don't get me wrong 2005 was intense as ever, especially with both student sections, but I'm giving the nod to 2007.  I do like Bilera though, even though I've said some mean things in the past, I loved that refular season game in 2006 when the DSU student section gave the 15 North Crew a welcome... clever, clever stuff.

Well, I hope JP has enough mouse traps to hang from the ceiling for practice tomorrow. (Yeah, I'm calling DVC a trap game even though they have no conference wins).  I've got to go start printing out my Soboleski 4 MVP t-shirts.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 20, 2008, 02:05:30 AM
Leo,

Good call on the standing ovation in '07...I remember that too and it was a very cool moment.

As far as if MVille and King's win on Saturday, then King's would be #2...I have been going every possible scenario for the last few hours and will try to confirm with the MAC office tomorrow what exactly would be the seeding.  I think I have it figured out but don't want to announce anything prematurely.

BJ
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wb1313 on February 20, 2008, 08:57:38 AM
Del Val is not a trap game, it's more along the lines of playing against a high school team.  If King's loses i'll be very, very surprised!   The bigger ripoff last week was in the Georgetown/Villanova game..great officiating there!  ::)   Plus, the coach from Rutgers deserves the karma. 

I think Wilkes is better off going on the road to face Desales in the first round.  All the cliches, "it's hard to beat a team 3 teams" blah blah blah and all.  Plus, I really think they do match up with Desales semi-well despite the 2 losses.  All that said...I don't think it matters because I fully believe JP has King's on a mission now...uggh!   At least it's not Scranton!!!!

CJ...I will let all references toward that prom go...well until March Madness
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bench_legend on February 20, 2008, 09:37:30 AM
..nothing like Martz Madness...  umm oh yea, March. 

Just had to get a post in for old times sake and check up on the conference.  Sounds like things are certainly geting exciting.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on February 20, 2008, 09:48:36 AM
Kings on a roll, at the right time, winning its 6 in a row against Wilkes.  Wilkes had no answer for Big John Soboleski, as he continues his run for all conf and MVP honors.  (27pts-10rebs), (10-15 from field, 7-10 fts).  I noticed he played without knee brace, has he played that way for awhile now?   He was way too strong down in the paint for Wilkes defenders.   Kings put their taller guards on Wilkes guards and shut them down.  Arcadia did the same thing to DeRojas in that game.  Wilkes came out in a zone, packing in on Sobo, and forcing Kings to shoot from outside.  It worked for awhile as Kings was misfiring from downtown.  Turnovers and bad shot selection killed the Colonels.  Kings depth was also big advantage over Wilkes.  Welsh of Kings delivered the dagger once again as he picked up a loose ball from floor and drilled a 3 with out even a dribble.  In one of my earlier posts, I thought that Wilkes looked like a .500 team and they are sitting at 12-11.  This is the 2nd year in a row with that record.   What are we going to do Col.?  Has the Wizard lost some of his wizardry?  You are right on about DeFeo, Col., he is tall !
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 20, 2008, 11:01:07 AM
Uh oh.

In one night, Wilkes goes from looking for a season sweep over King's to looking at the scoreboard on Saturday.  And that Arcadia win over DeSales made the playoff picture unnecessarily messy.  The standings look like this:

1. DeSales 9-3, in the clubhouse with the lead
2. King's 8-3 (hosting winless Del Val)
2. Manhattanville 8-3 (hosting Arcadia)
4. Wilkes 6-5 (playing FDU)
4. Arcadia 6-5 (playing Manhattanville)

I don't really care right now who finishes 1, 2, or 3, so I'll leave those tie-breakers to those who do such things.   ;D  As far as the 4 seed, it starts with head-to-head, which they split.  Then record against the #1 team, #2 team, and so on.  Wilkes and Arcadia both split with DeSales, Wilkes has a win over King's and Arcadia doesn't.  And an Arcadia win over Manhattanville eliminates them from the tie-breaker discussion.  Wilkes has every conceivable tie-breaker.  Win and they're in.  I think. :-\

... I'm still trying to figure out what DeRojas said to get Teed up.  It amused me that every teammate had the exact same reaction.  Shrugged shoulders and a bewildered look...

...And when was the last time a home team took 2 technical fouls in one game?  I've seen road teams get teed up twice. Like Wilkes at King's '03.  But never a home team.

BJ - I'd love to see ya up at your place on Wednesday night.  Enjoy the clubhouse lead.

Bench Legend - welcome back.  If you have any eligibility left... nah, nevermind.  :D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: DSU Backer on February 20, 2008, 01:55:40 PM
CJ,

Actually, DeSales swept the season series with Wilkes and split with Arcadia.  Kings swept Arcadia and split with Wilkes.  In the event of a tie between Wilkes and Arcadia, I believe the tie breaker would be who gets the number 1 seed, Kings or DeSales.  In the event of a tie between Kings and DeSales, I think the tie breaker is who gets the #4 seed, Wilkes or Arcadia.  Both Kings and DeSales split with Manhattenville and split head to head.  So let me ask the proverbial question, which came first, the chicken or the egg.  I don't know about everyone else, but this is clear as mud to me.  I think we both want Wilkes and Manhattenville to win on Saturday.  I think that would give DeSales the #1 seed, but I am guessing.  It would definately give Wilkes the #4 seed.  I have no idea who would get the #2 and #3 seed in that scenerio, it appears that Kings and Manhattenville would have the exact same records against the conference teams.

I think everyone should be concerned with Kings right now.  They are playing far above anyone else in the conference right now, and timing is everything.
Title: Playoffs
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 20, 2008, 02:38:06 PM
I'll try to sum the tiebreakers up as briefly as possible as several scenarios still exist with the final three games on Saturday.

#1 seed
- DeSales gets the #1 seed in almost all of the scenarios based on one of two things pending the Saturday outcomes.  Those two things are either its sweep of Wilkes or its non-conference win over Albright (King's and MVille both lost to Albright).
- King's get the #1 seed with an Arcadia win and a Wilkes loss (or FDU win), and obviously a King's win as well on Saturday.  That's the only way they get the top spot.

#2 seed
- King's gets the #2 spot by virtue of point differential when tied with Manhattanville.
- DeSales gets the #2 seed if the above scenario of King's getting #1 happens.
- Manhattanville can get the #2 spot if King's loses, MVille wins and FDU wins on Saturday.

#3 seed
- Its Manhattanville except for the third #2 scenario above in which case it becomes King's.

#4 seed
- Its Arcadia with a win, they don't need help because even if Wilkes wins and they finish tied, DeSales is #1 seed and Arcadia beat them once and Wilkes did not.
- Wilkes gets it with a win and an Arcadia loss.  This is the only way Wilkes can get the #4 spot.

OK now I have a headache...you want my advice...have yourselves a nice weekend, get some relaxation in...log onto the internet around 6ish on Saturday (unless your going to a game) find out who won what games and let the dust settle.

Next week is the week that matters...No matter what you've done to this point in the season can all be washed away or extended further in a matter of 40 minutes of hoops.  Its all or nothing time.  Team records, previous results, past years history mean nothing...its all about who is playing the best basketball next week.  That team gets to be remembered (that almost sounds like a Disney Movie pep talk - and I just made it up now,  :)).

Enjoy the action.
Title: Playoffs
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 20, 2008, 02:39:38 PM
I should set a disclaimer to that previous post.  I haven't gotten much sleep over the past 24 hours (as witness by my late night post last night), so I may have a typo or interpreted something wrong in my above post.

Any questions feel free to ask and I'll try to tie up a loose end.

BJ
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 20, 2008, 03:33:58 PM
Crap.  You're right.  DeSales did sweep Wilkes.  Oh boy...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bballfan112 on February 20, 2008, 03:36:54 PM
Playoff predictions? DeSales? Wilkes? Manhattanville?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wb1313 on February 20, 2008, 03:59:49 PM
Prediction..umm is it at Manhattanvillle or at Arcadia?  If it's at Manhattanville, Wilkes will be sitting home.  Also, is Wilkes at FDU or at home?  Uggh, what a poor way to end the season.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on February 20, 2008, 06:13:15 PM
Wilkes is at FDU for the finale....
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 20, 2008, 07:11:36 PM
Cold Case,


What are you doing in here?




PS when is the MAC-Landmark Challenge scheduled for next year?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 20, 2008, 09:16:52 PM
Slumming. I just wanted to see how the low rent district lives. ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wb1313 on February 21, 2008, 08:46:21 AM
Have they figured out what Landmarks are in places like Scranton and Susquehanna?   Dunder-Mifflin doesn't count!

Wilkes is at FDU...right well, have fun in the playoffs Arcadia.   Calling it now: Desales over Arcadia, King's over Manhattanville, King's over Desales. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mid-range j on February 21, 2008, 11:42:54 AM
King's looks like the toughest team to beat right now.  DeSales has lost some major confidence in the last two weeks and looks weaker by the day, but you still can't count them out.  Arcadia could be very dangerous if they make it to the playoffs but I don't think it's realistic given the fact that they will be playing Manhattanville on Senior Day (which could most likely be the last home game of the 6 seniors career) they should be pumped up for that game (I'm not saying arcadia is going to roll over and die, it should be a good game, but Kennedy is a tough place to play!) No matter what the playoffs should be exciting.  Given the senior leadership on the top three teams, I feel like anyone of them could pull it off.  It just comes down to the "little things".   
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 21, 2008, 09:55:20 PM
Scranton Landmarks:

The Times Tower
The Electric City Sign
Toni The Elephant (RIP)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2008, 10:55:51 PM
Quote from: wb1313 on February 21, 2008, 08:46:21 AM
Have they figured out what Landmarks are in places like Scranton and Susquehanna?   Dunder-Mifflin doesn't count!

Susquehanna isn't a place, as far as I can tell. Been to campus and such but not any "place" called Susquehanna, Pa.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 22, 2008, 08:06:27 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2008, 10:55:51 PM
Quote from: wb1313 on February 21, 2008, 08:46:21 AM
Have they figured out what Landmarks are in places like Scranton and Susquehanna?   Dunder-Mifflin doesn't count!

Susquehanna isn't a place, as far as I can tell. Been to campus and such but not any "place" called Susquehanna, Pa.

Now you see why schools bolted the Freedom and other leagues to form the Landmark. Something about like-minded institutions??
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wb1313 on February 22, 2008, 09:02:19 AM
I just realized Susquehanna is in Selinsgrove, PA (Snyder County).  There is a Susquehanna County in Pennsylvania which is where I thought they were located.  http://www.susqco.com/   OR  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susquehanna_County,_Pennsylvania


My point still stands, name a landmark around Susquehanna or in Selinsgrove.  (This is even more difficult than Susquehanna County because Selinsgrove is a dump)

I still haven't figured out how the 8 schools in the Landfill are related other than through not playing conference athletic contests during the week.  Take a look! You have a deaf college, a marine academy, a Catholic school that is known for their Architecture program, a Jesuit school, and a few liberal arts colleges. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 22, 2008, 09:16:26 AM
Quote from: wb1313 on February 22, 2008, 09:02:19 AM
I just realized Susquehanna is in Selinsgrove, PA (Snyder County).  There is a Susquehanna County in Pennsylvania which is where I thought they were located.  http://www.susqco.com/   OR  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susquehanna_County,_Pennsylvania


My point still stands, name a landmark around Susquehanna or in Selinsgrove.  (This is even more difficult than Susquehanna County because Selinsgrove is a dump)

I still haven't figured out how the 8 schools in the Landfill are related other than through not playing conference athletic contests during the week.  Take a look! You have a deaf college, a marine academy, a Catholic school that is known for their Architecture program, a Jesuit school, and a few liberal arts colleges. 

You have no point.

What does Wilkes-Barre, Doylestown, and Williamsport have to do with "Freedom"?


A deaf school? Really? Which one?     
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 22, 2008, 09:59:37 AM
A deaf college in the Landmark Conference? I think you're confusing Goucher with Galludet.
I think I hear Dave coming in (no pun intended).
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 22, 2008, 10:36:31 AM
Freedom & Commonwealth are very appropriate  branch names for  the MID-ATLANTIC CONFERENCE (MAC)!   That's what this section of the country is all about after all.  i'm sure the "powers that be" naming the Landmark had in mind that they all think alike, therefore setting a precedent in sports, but Drew & Scranton, we still miss ya, kind of like for better or worse.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wb1313 on February 22, 2008, 11:58:20 AM
My bad...i'm going to take my medicine and shut up now.  Yes I was referencing Gaulladet...uggh. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 22, 2008, 03:25:23 PM
BTW, Gallaudet doesn't have a great athletics program, but its status as an important institution in American history cannot be underestimated.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wb1313 on February 22, 2008, 04:54:41 PM
I wasn't making fun of Gaulladet, I just couldn't understand how they would fit in in the conference.  Gaulladet is an excellent school and you'll hear no arguments from me about their importance.  Being that I live in the DC area now, I will say that they do tend to stage protests very well.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kcxc09 on February 23, 2008, 05:03:30 PM
i may be a little biased but after today's blowout victory over del val i think kings is easily the favorite to win the conference again.

once again there will be a double header on Wednesday at Scandlon gym as both mens and womens team look to advance to the finals
and personally as a student i rather have the 2 seed because it would be that much sweeter going to desales next saturday and beating them on their home court with both the guys and womens teams, it would also make seeing both games easier as it would be in one place instead of one at kings and one at desales unless one of us gets upset in the semis but i dont see us losing on wednesday after today's blowout wins by both teams on senior day
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 23, 2008, 07:14:36 PM
I wouldn't be handing out Conference Titles just yet. 

I would say King's is the team to beat but this is the (as Jim Mora would say) "PLAYOFFS!"  One off night can sink the boat.  Last year at this time, everyone on this board was saying the Royals were the team to beat, and they were beatten, in the first round at home.  Assuming King's can get by a tough M'Ville team, I don't think DeSales at Bilera would be a walk in the park.  Obviously, King's is still my pick, but no way that's a guarantee.

So now its awards time,  I've seen all of one MAC Freedom Game in person this year, and based on that extensive research, I pick Soboleski for MVP, JP for Coach, Cousart for first team, Scalzo gets a second team nod. 
Title: Playoff Seeding
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 23, 2008, 09:48:56 PM
Since this is the men's room, I'll only post the men's seedings.

Wednesday
#1 DeSales hosts #4 Wilkes (8:00 pm)
#2 King's hosts #3 Manhattanville (8:00 pm)

Congrats to all the teams for making the playoffs.
Title: Bulletin Board
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 23, 2008, 09:52:54 PM
kcxc09 - Be careful what you write on here, you don't want your name showing up on a bulletin board at an opposing gym this week.

Enjoy the doubleheader in Scandlon on Wednesday.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 24, 2008, 12:37:35 AM
I think I saw former King's coach Jim Casciano on ESPN over the weekend - NJIT finished the worst winless season in D-I history at 0-29.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 24, 2008, 01:03:10 AM
Hard to beleive the regualr season is over.......

First, I want to congratualte Arcadia.
Would have been quite an achievement for the Knights to have swept Wilkes, DeSales and Manhattanville on the road.
Surely the Knights would have deserved that 4th Freedom slot.

Today, they had a double digit lead in the 2nd half against the Valiants but came up short.
Still, a huge effort ..Congrats again.

As to the playoffs, I'll have to agree with Leo....it looks like Kings.  
The matchup with Manhattanville presents a  pair of senior laden teams with contrasting styles of play.
Manhattanville has a very explosive squad that can score in bunches and disrupt tempo.  If Kings has a weakness, it is pressure. They are prone to turn the ball over   and, when rushed, don't execute their offense as well.


For the Monarchs, controlling tempos is the primary key.    
The Monarchs have the size and firepower.  Kofi, Welsh, Scalzo and Nensteil can light it up. Sobo, Scalzo, Conway and Cousart can post up as needed..
The poise and discipline of this squad sets them apart.

Kings should advance.
Line: Kings (-13)

DeSales took down Bloom today. I'm not sure what that means (maybe Bllom would anchor the Freedom...who knows?) but I would think they will be more than ready for the Colonels.
Wilkes has played inconsistently the past month. They have not adequately controlled tempos as they did in the early part of the Freedom schedule. Desicionmaking has been troublesome as the guard play can be brilliant at times and a Dumb, dumber and dumbest redux at other times.
Matt G is going to have to reign in his emotions and play smart and savvy if Wilkes has any chance against DeSales. The bigs must avoid foul trouble and concentrate on the game itself rather than the officiating etc etc.
Lapinsky & Stricker present a very very challenging  matchup inside with the Colonle bigs. The Bulldogs bench always seems to play well and Braswell's athleticism is a problem.
With Eddie O playing the point, it is hard to see a road upset here.

Line: Deslaes (-8.5).

I will give my thougts on the finals matchup while enjoying my dinner at Pazzos's compiments of Colonel John.
I am officially inviting Cold Case as my guest.

Who is CJ bringing???
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 24, 2008, 09:48:38 AM
Quote from: naismith on February 24, 2008, 01:03:10 AMI am officially inviting Cold Case as my guest.
Who is CJ bringing???

Nais, my main man, I see you stopped over to the Landmark board and set Letourneau straight. I followed up your post with one of my own. Check it out, critque it. ;D
I'll go to DeSales with you, providing it's not Wednesday night at 7? If it is, let's make plans afterward to dine.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 24, 2008, 03:52:02 PM
CC,

Did check out your post and in agreement.

I'm not sure where I am going Wed.
Wilkes is at DeSales and Kings at home.
Depends on my work schedule, weather etc.

C John lost dimnner for 4 at Pazzo's. Owned by the Agolino family, it is a high class Italian restauant on 315 just south of Pittston.

The Colonel has been noticeably silent since the Monarchs covered by 11 point spread by 2 last Wednesday.

Vegas has Kings even money, DeSales at 2-1, Manhattanville 5-1 and Wilkes 10-1.
Sounds about right to me.

I think the Royals were 1-9 to land the landmark trophy. Everyone else was 99-1....lol
Who are you taking???

Naismith.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 24, 2008, 04:15:31 PM
DeSales/Wilkes will be at 8 pm on Wednesday.

DeSales women also play at home that night and will be at 6, prior to the men.

BJ
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 25, 2008, 05:12:23 PM
Quote from: naismith on February 24, 2008, 03:52:02 PM
C John lost dinner for 4 at Pazzo's. Owned by the Agolino family, it is a high class Italian restauant on 315 just south of Pittston.

The Colonel has been noticeably silent since the Monarchs covered by 11 point spread by 2 last Wednesday.

Vegas has Kings even money, DeSales at 2-1, Manhattanville 5-1 and Wilkes 10-1.
Sounds about right to me.

I think the Royals were 1-9 to land the landmark trophy. Everyone else was 99-1....lol
Who are you taking???

Naismith.

Nais,

I'm still here.  Don't worry.  Just been busy with work.  A few things:

1.  (Most important) Does Pazzo's have pizza?  If so, is it really good pizza?  If so, let's declare Pizza Summit IV.  All the Hall of Famers come out for a good Pizza Summit.

2.  BJ - my apologies, but I'm out for Wednesday.  Still can't get out of work.  Killin' me.  Lemme know if there are ghosts or curses... or any angry Colonel fans, about 30 years old, with glasses and a new baby.  If so, give Greg my best.  Otherwise, enjoy the game.

3. Has anyone looked at recent games between Wilkes and DeSales?  Ignoring the obvious 1 vs. 4, and the obvious 20-5 vs. 13-11 comparisons, just look at the last 5 games between Wilkes and DeSales.  It reads as follows:

DeSales by 10
DeSales by 10
DeSales by 24
DeSales by 10
DeSales by 11

Gotta go back to 2005 to find a Wilkes win over DeSales.  But in 2005 you also find a 4th seeded Wilkes team that lost at a 1st seeded DeSales team in the Freedom Semi's.

I want to believe.  I'd love to see King's play one more home game this season - March 1st.  :D  Is my only hope the "Any Given Sunday" logic?  Regardless, I'm tuning in to the live stats courtesy of the good people of D3hoops.com and the DeSales sports info department.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 25, 2008, 06:45:21 PM
CJ4Life,

Send me that work number...I'll give them a call make up some story that we need extra security guards in Billera Hall that night and hire you to handle the Wilkes faithful.  If that doesn't work, I'll just pose as a family member Wednesday morning and call you out sick.  You can't miss a playoff game, you gotta think of something.

In all seriousness, I'll keep my eyes and ears on the lookout for ghosts/curses during the game and if I see any, I'll get some of my student workers to keep them occupied till after the game is over so they don't affect the outcome.

I plan on writing my playoff preview tomorrow morning, so I am not totally up to speed on the history between the Colonels and Bulldogs.  You are correct that we have won 5 in a row, but I don't recall us ever beating them by 24 (maybe a typo).  I'll get that playoff preview written tomorrow morning while the heater guy does his annual maintenance thing between the hours of 8-Noon (gotta love service people giving you a four-hour window to get something fixed).

Do you think I have time to sit at home and wait for you to fit me in your morning schedule.  ARGH!!!!

Anyways, I don't know as if you can hold much stock in that recent success DeSales has had.  This is the playoffs and anything can happen.  Every team is 0-0 at this point and every team is more than able and talented enough to take home that automatic bid into the NCAA Tournament.  The team that comes to play the hardest and executes the best will win two games this week.  Past history has very little to do with anything at this point.

FYI - We will, as always, have the LIVE stats up and running and I am 99% sure that D3hoops staff member (Gordon Mann) is going to be broadcasting the game live (audio only) on the internet.  Once I hear from him that is a 100% go, I'll send both those links.

BJ
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 26, 2008, 09:51:33 AM
BJ - January 27th, 2007: DeSales 75, Wilkes 51.  At your place.  I even got a reference:
http://www.d3hoops.com/school/WILK/mens/2007

As far as other history, it is pretty limited, at least compared to say Wilkes - Kings.  Allentown / DeSales has been in the Freedom for, what, 11 years now?  There was that team with Watermasysk back in like 00-01 that was, for my money, DSU's best team. One problem.  At that point Scranton had Reno and Callejas, King's had Corey Dickerson and company, and Wilkes had Dave Jannuzzi.

Playoff history between our schools, pretty sure it's just MAC-F Semis games in '04 and '05, both at your place.

That guy couldn't wait another, oh, week or so to fix the heater??
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 26, 2008, 07:45:10 PM
BJ - an addendum.  I called in a few favors, and should now be able to make it to Allentown for 8 PM tomorrow.  Game on!!  I'll be on my best behavior.  :)  You just make sure there's a ticket for me...

Also, mad props on Leigh Ann Burke getting the nod for a Jostens finalist spot.  Huge honor.  That gives you one day to put together a presentation for her.   :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 27, 2008, 10:16:28 AM
CJ4Life - Good call on the DeSales/Wilkes score from '07...I applaud your research.

Great to hear you should be able to make the game tonight.  I'll expect nothing but your best behavior,  :).  Sorry I can't leave you a ticket at the door...its the playoffs so comp tickets aren't as plentiful as in the regular season.

Thanks for the congrats note on our women's player Burke.  Its a well deserved honor for her, especially as just a junior.

See ya tonight!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: adamburdett on February 27, 2008, 05:29:37 PM
And finally, another of the Wilkes faithful returns to the board just in time for the playoffs. 
Tough year for me as I only saw the Colonels once.  Since they lost that game (51-50 to Miseri, ugh), I figured it be best that I stay home for this one. 
The Curse of Greg Riley will not be a factor tonight.  Incidentally, that night was the last time the Colonels won at Billera, to correct a past post by Colonel John.  I'd like to see the Colonels do the same tonight, but it may be a tall order.  Regardless, for my first prediction since last seasons upset of King's on the night of the Valentine's Day blizzard, I think the Colonels will lose a close one tonight, less than 5 points.  But I will say, the longer Wilkes is in the game, the more the Bulldogs may begin to think about some of the past flops of late in the playoffs.
On a side note, baby Riley (Lia Marie) is doing fine.  If Wilkes can get to Saturday and play at Kings, I will do anything in my power to get the old team back together.  I just cant sit behind the Colonel bench.  Last time I did that, me and John's Dad may have inadvertantly got Coach thrown out.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 28, 2008, 12:36:57 AM
DeSales 69, Wilkes 53.

Adam has spoken, so let it be written.  No curse of Greg, and Wilkes loses a close one.  Don't let the 16 point final fool ya.  A good portion of the 2nd half was spent with DeSales only up by 4 or 6.  Wilkes just needed precisely one more basket at about a dozen key points, and couldn't.  DeSales got up 12-3 after about 6 minutes (could have been worse, actually), and that's a 9 point deficit from which Wilkes never fully recovered. Wilkes made a run to get up 20-18.  DeSales then puts together a 9-0 run.  Wilkes never saw the lead again.  Got really close a bunch of times, never took the lead.

That said, with the King's win, the preview for the MAC Freedom Championship writes itself.  Both teams are senior heavy.  DeSales with Phil Stricker and Eddie Ohlson, King's with damn near the whole roster.  Scalzo, Sobo, Dwebeng, Cousart, Nenstiel.  Over their 4 years, these squads will have played against each other in 3 MAC-F Title games.  (Note the use of the future perfect tense!)  '05 at DeSales, '07 at King's, and King's won them both.  Does this squad of King's players call it a dynasty and win a 3rd in 4 years (and the first repeat winner since '99 Wilkes), or does DeSales finally get that monkey off their collective back and win Freedom Title #1?  Honestly, DeSales, those banners looked lonely at Billera tonight.  ("Look, Son, there's the 1991 ECAC Championship banner!")

Looking at this matchup, Kings vs DeSales III, somewhere I'm sure Bob Bessoir is turning over in his... bed.  It was 10 years ago this week that Bess broke out the legendary Purple Tux in the MAC title game at the Marts Center.  Scranton / Wilkes in the late 90s - THAT was a rivalry.  King's and DeSales just seem like teams that happen to play each other in the title game.

As a Wilkes fan, at a time like this, I have an observation.  Wilkes had a great run.  The glory days of '95 to '01, where in 7 years, Wilkes won 6 MAC or Freedom titles.  An epic 7 years, including 2 Sweet 16s, 2 Elite 8s, and a Final Four.  And it's been exactly 7 years since that last MAC/F title.  Mark it down, right now.  Wilkes wins the 2009 Freedom League Title.  You wanna start a countdown?  Fine.  We're past midnight, so, it's now 366 days until Jerry the General cuts down a net.

Congrats to King's, Congrats to DeSales.  Enjoy the Championship game.  To the winner - Represent us well in The Dance.  Until next season, I'm out.
Title: Killing Me!!
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 28, 2008, 01:49:59 AM
CJ4Life - Let me start by saying it was nice to meet you at tonight's game.  I often wonder who the man is behind the curtain (or the post in this case) and I had a nice 5-7 minute conversation with you tonight.  Looking forward to future meetings.

Now I must say I am bit disappointed in your post-game post.  I mean you just killed DeSales and its lack of banners in the gym and its lack of being able to be in rivalry.

It seems a little fair weather that you diss the King's/DeSales rivalry over the past few years as a secondary rivalry.  I know you folks above the tunnel don't seem to think there is life south of the tunnel but we do exist and I think over the past few years DeSales has made some noise.  Granted we haven't cut a conference championship net down up to this point, but our success certainly can't just be thrown under the mat and treated as secondary.

This King's team we will play on Saturday is a very, very, very good one.  They have eight seniors if I am not mistaken and this group has certainly proven they are a special group.  We are fortunate enough to get one more crack at them before they all go out into the real world.  I am not taking the court (good thing for DeSales) but I am looking forward to the third meeting in the Freedom Conference championship game between the two.  It should be a fun day and a great game.

By the way, don't think I didn't notice the prediction of Wilkes as champions in '09...I can understand your excitement seeing us lose three seniors, King's lose eight seniors and MVille lose five seniors (I think).  I'd temper my predictions however till after you see the recruiting classes and you see the other new teams come into the league next year.  I'll tell you right now...Alvernia is gonna be a pretty good team next year, they have no seniors and a player named Terence Shawell who is gonna be a tough match-up for every team in the league next year.  Don't count your chickens just yet.

In the meantime, I am gonna enjoy the rest of this season...seeing as if we are still playing,  ;)

BJ
Title: Re: Killing Me!!
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 28, 2008, 07:48:11 AM
Quote from: BJ - DSU SID on February 28, 2008, 01:49:59 AM
CJ4Life -  I mean you just killed DeSales and its lack of banners in the gym and its lack of being able to be in rivalry.

BJ

BJ - Yeah, maybe I spoke too quickly in disappointment /anger.  Though, in all fairness, I kill everyone's team.  The last King's / Wilkes game, I was the guy holding a "King's = 1-2 vs. Baptist Bible" sign.  And all that pales to the shots I gave Scranton back in the day.  At least you're a likable enough guy that I'd apologize to.  Purple was the paragon of all that is evil.

Where were we?  Oh yeah, light of new day has come.  Best to the 2 remaining teams.  BJ, get some sleep, man.  And I'm standing by that '09 thing.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on February 28, 2008, 09:55:30 AM
King's wins its 8th game in a row beating Manhattanville 77-74 in an overtime thriller.  Big John Soboleski had another monster game (24 pts,16 rebs) and with fellow senior Jamie Cousart (21 pts, 7 rebs, 6 assists) led the way for the Monarchs.  Manhattanville led by 14 with about 12 and a half to go, and with Kings in a zone, they went into their "prevent" offense, holding the ball, and taking time off the clock.  Not a good move, as the Valiants are not a good half set team with maybe one outside threat.  They did not score for about 6 minutes.  Their transition run and gun style gave them the lead.  They might have sat on the lead a little too early and Kings zone was very effective.  Dweberg, Welsh again, and Scalzo hit some big threes in crunch time.  Scalzo was MIA for the most part taking only 2 shots the whole game and I dont think Kings staff was too happy with his effort, as assistant coach was screaming in his face during one time out.   Great win for the Monarchs, thanks to the leadership of Cusart and Sobo, but I feel Manahattanville let this one slip away.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 28, 2008, 10:23:01 AM
CJ,

No pizza at Pazzo's for U.
Should have done some due diligence on Pazzo's menu before making any wagers.

My suggestion is that you work some OT ....I heard Cold Case has a big appetite!!

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 28, 2008, 10:58:43 AM
Quote from: naismith on February 28, 2008, 10:23:01 AM
I heard Cold Case has a big appetite!!
Naismith

Very big. So big that.....never mind. :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 28, 2008, 03:12:10 PM
Nice analysis LJK.
Agree completely that M-Ville let a big win slip away.

Truth is, they had no answer for Sobo inside. John is playing at a very very high level.

Vals did look to be intentionally running down the clock from about 10 minutes in.....that forced some pretty wild drives to bucket etc. They also missed a bunch of putbacks as the Vals really attacked the glass.
I really don't think the zone slowed them down as reported in local press accounts.
I think the semi-stall was self imposed and backfired.

Was impressed with Moffet who played a terrific game in defeat.
Jamie Cousart played pretty near flawless down the stretch and Kofi came up big.

(By the way, how do u get JU-Bang from Dweberg??....i think it might be Dwebeng...no?)


And congrats as well to the Scranton Royals who also came from behind on the road at Moravian for a big Landmark win!!
They are home on Sat. versus Juniata for the title.
I understand that the Landmark has not automatic NCAA bid....??

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 28, 2008, 03:43:27 PM
Ironically, all four playoff teams in the Landmark were from the MAC.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 28, 2008, 03:44:56 PM
Since the season is pretty much over (definitely over for CJ as he signed off).......

Here are my conference picks:
I am putting 6 players on each team and breaking them down as guards and bigs with no particular position (point guard etc.).

First Team:
Soboleski---Kings
Cousart-----Kings
Ohlson------DeSales
Moffet-------Manhattanville
Kresge------Wilkes
Braswell----DeSales

Second Team:

Stricker------DeSales
Lapinski-----DeSales
Scalzo-------Kings
Chisolm-----Manhattanville
Fink----------Manhattanville
Elliot---------Arcadia

honorable mentions:
McPherson--FDU
Wiggns------Del Val
DeRojas-----Wilkes
Kline----------Wilkes
Mulholland---Arcadia
Fetske-------FDU

MVP----Moffett---Manhattanville (complete player entire season)
ROY----3 way tie:  Fetske, Wiggins, DeRojas
Coach of the Year: Dorney---Arcadia  (thought he got a lot out of his squad)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on February 28, 2008, 04:27:24 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 28, 2008, 03:43:27 PM
Ironically, all four playoff teams in the Landmark were from the MAC.

Might there be a message in that factoid?  ;)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: DSU Backer on February 28, 2008, 04:34:16 PM
Here are the conference awards as announced by MAC today

First Team Freedom All-Conference
Phil Stricker DeSales C Sr.
John Soboleski King's C Sr.
Cody Moffett Manhattanville G Sr.
Jamie Cousart King's G Sr.
Ed Ohlson DeSales G Sr.

Second Team Freedom All-Conference
Darnell Braswell DeSales G So.
Donte Chisolm Manhattanville G Sr.
Ryan McPherson FDU-Florham G Jr.
Tom Kresge Wilkes F So.
Brian Fink Manhattanville G Sr.

PLAYER OF THE YEAR: Phil Stricker, DeSales
ROOKIE OF THE YEAR: Chris DeRojas, Wilkes
COACH OF THE YEAR: Scott Coval, DeSales
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 28, 2008, 04:35:09 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on February 28, 2008, 04:27:24 PM
Might there be a message in that factoid?  ;)

Well, you have to admit it is pretty ironic, no?
Warren, maybe you can fill me in on Ursinus. A pal of mine told me they're "the team" in their conference but he saw them lose handily in both games in the King's tourney earlier this season. Did they have players out, bring some transfers in or is the conference they play in that bad?
Let me know.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on February 28, 2008, 05:17:57 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 28, 2008, 04:35:09 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on February 28, 2008, 04:27:24 PM
Might there be a message in that factoid?  ;)

Well, you have to admit it is pretty ironic, no?
Warren, maybe you can fill me in on Ursinus. A pal of mine told me they're "the team" in their conference but he saw them lose handily in both games in the King's tourney earlier this season. Did they have players out, bring some transfers in or is the conference they play in that bad?
Let me know.

All I know about Ursinus is that they are situated in Collegeville PA.  :P
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2008, 05:25:53 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 28, 2008, 04:35:09 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on February 28, 2008, 04:27:24 PM
Might there be a message in that factoid?  ;)

Well, you have to admit it is pretty ironic, no?
Warren, maybe you can fill me in on Ursinus. A pal of mine told me they're "the team" in their conference but he saw them lose handily in both games in the King's tourney earlier this season. Did they have players out, bring some transfers in or is the conference they play in that bad?
Let me know.

Dunno who your pal saw but it wasn't Ursinus. Check the facts -- or do you need the desk to do that for you too?

http://www.d3hoops.com/school/URS/mens/2008
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 28, 2008, 05:38:08 PM
Warren, sorry to give you bad news but someone put me on to the King's tourney and it wasn't Ursinus, but Lebanon Valley. ;D
Fortunately my posts (aside from a misspelled werd or too) have merit, unlike some. I'm honored someone takes the time to critique my posts.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on February 28, 2008, 06:02:22 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 28, 2008, 05:38:08 PM
Warren, sorry to give you bad news but someone put me on to the King's tourney and it wasn't Ursinus, but Lebanon Valley. ;D
Fortunately my posts (aside from a misspelled werd or too) have merit, unlike some. I'm honored someone takes the time to critique my posts.

Thanks, I guess, but I'm not fully certain what I was supposed to "critique."  :-\
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 28, 2008, 07:37:07 PM
WT, wasn't referring to you. 8)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 28, 2008, 08:34:08 PM
CJ4L, my condolences. I really enjoyed your PTI post last year when King's got knocked off, but I'm not that witty, so I'll leave it at that.

Well that sure sounded like a thrilling victory!  First time I ever had the joy of listening to King's on the radio, real amusing stuff.  Anyway, a great second half comback for the Monarchs and a "quiet" 24 for Big John.

So as for the awards.  I will say that I respectfully disagree with the Accademy's decision.  I'm not like kcxc and into making bulletin board material, but I thought the award was a stone cold lock for Sobo as player and a lukewarm lock for JP as coach.  Stricker's a great player, but look at the numbers, Soboleski had a better year.  The argument could be made against JP that King's was expected to do this, so I can see how that might have played against him.  Either way I have a box of John Soboleski: MVP tshirts that I have to ship to Nigeria now.  So at least the kids will have something else to where other than their brand new New England Patriots: 19-0 shirts. 

The beautiful thing though Soboleski vs. Stricker, Coval vs. JP, it all gets settled on Saturday.  That's all that matters.  We got the matchup that everyone, except CJ, wanted.  The storylines are great.  Will the Monarch seniors put an exclamation point on four years of dominence?  Or can the DeSales seniors avenge the previous championship losses?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mid-range j on February 29, 2008, 12:04:39 AM
Great game the other night b/w Mville and Kings.  It was a fun enviroment and a great game to watch.  Being an Mville fan, it was sad to see the Mville seniors careers and season end on a downward note, but for anyone who watched the game, you could see that those kids poured their heart and soul out and left it all on the court.  King's just made more plays down the stretch.  I hope at least now that Mville has gained a little respect in the conference.  I'm looking forward to some rivalries down the road.  King/DeSales should be a great matchup and I'm curious to see who comes out on top. 

I have one question though and I might sound bitter because of the loss, but I am convinced that nobody deserved the conference MVP award more than Cody Moffett.  He tore up the the stat sheets every game (despite getting double and tripled teamed almost every game) and still put up AMAZING numbers throughout the WHOLE season.  He was nationally recognized by d3hoops, prestosports, and the conference, and put up big numbers against a rigid non-conference and conference schedule.  Stricker is a great player, no doubt about it, and he deserves to be up there in the voting, but over Moffett's season?  I don't know...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 29, 2008, 12:18:18 PM
Leo:

Picks were about what I would have expected.
DeSales dominated early and are the #1 seed so they get the votes.
Coval--ok
As to MVP (the only real surprise in my eyes)---

Looking at the Freedom only schedule, John Soboleski certainly dominated late season. I think the 1st half hurt him. If one asked who is playing the best right now---it is John.

Stricker---a 4 year warrior no doubt and everyone loves his game. This year, however, wasn't his best. He was prone to foul problems and DeSales was pretty well balanced.  Wasn't in my top 3.

Moffet----The new kid on the block was consistent all year. Has more spin moves than a Duncan Yo Yo.
Like the old Army grid legends, Glenn Davis and Felix 'Doc'  Blanchard,
Moffet could hurt you "Inside" and "Outside".
Other players may have an edge in specific skill areas, but I think CM was the best player in the conference.
And he performed all season long!

CM---you are still my pick!

Leo, best of luck on Sat.


Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on February 29, 2008, 01:55:01 PM
I agree with the picks for first team Freedom Conference team for the most part, but I would have picked King's John Soboleski as POY.  I'm with Leo on this one.  I concur with Naismith, who points out that Sobo is playing the best ball right now, even though Nais is still sticking with Moffett.  Big John really carried his team, when it mattered the most,  as they reeled off 8 wins in a row, down the stretch.  I'm with you Nais on  Arcadia's Elliot and Mulholland being mentioned, nice players,  but I dont agree with Scalzo on 2nd team.  I thought he had a down senior year compared to last year.  I think DeRojas deserved the ROY, as he stepped in and gave Wilkes some much needed fire power.   Should be a great matchup on Saturday.  Any predictions?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: DSU Backer on February 29, 2008, 02:05:05 PM
Nais,

I agree with most of what you said, however, there is one item that I would like to correct.  This year, Phil Stricker has really reduced his fouls.  I can only think of 1 or 2 games that I would consider him to have been in foul trouble.  I don't consider picking up your 4th foul late in a game as being in foul trouble, I think of picking up your 2nd 10 minutes into the game and have to sit for an extended period of time as being in foul trouble.  He did not foul out of any games.

As far as the POY pick, I would have no problems with any of the three mentioned.  A strong case can be made for any of them, they all have very good years.  I think the thing that probably pushed it Stricker's way is the fact that he is a 3 time 1st team all conference selection.  There are probably some other names that could be thrown in there as well, Eddie Ohlson for one.  He isn't a big time scorer, but DeSales goes the way Ohlson leads them.  Ohlson is #10 all time in division III assists, that's impressive!  Below is an excerpt from DeSales website on the conference awards:

       Ohlson earns All-Conference honors for the first time in his career. He is averaging 7.5 points per game and ranks fourth in the country in assists per game at 7.3 assists per game. Ohlson owns every major assist record at DeSales including most helpers in a game (15), most in a season (227 in 2006-07) and most in a career (687). His 687 career assists currently rank 10th all-time among all NCAA Division III players. In addition, Ohlson has 180 career steals which ranks sixth at DSU.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on February 29, 2008, 02:31:59 PM
DSU:  I think it comes down to that age old argument between POY and MVP.  Is POY the best player in the conference,  and MVP the most valuable to his team?  Eddie Ohlson is certainly the glue to his team, as Jamie Cousart is to his.    I think the player with the most talent would probably be Moffett.  Where would King's be with out Soboleski?  I guess it depends on who you like and the definition of POY.  Good luck to your team tomorrow.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: DSU Backer on February 29, 2008, 04:39:04 PM
ljk,

Thanks.  I would love to see these seniors get one.  Kings already has two, they should share. ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ronk on March 01, 2008, 10:01:47 AM
   Word has it that the NCAA selection committee has already written in the Reunion regional of Scranton, Kings, Desales, and Lycoming for next weekend.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on March 01, 2008, 10:08:59 AM
Reunion Regional - i like that one - chuckle, chuckle
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on March 01, 2008, 11:14:47 AM
Ronk: Great idea for the NCAA to consider. I think both Desales & Lyco would have a difficult time meeting the "host" requirements of the NCAA regarding seating capacity. However, first things first. Lyco must defeat Widener which will be no easy task & should Kings lose at Desales...they are not a lock for a Pool C bid as each & every upset of a higher regionally ranked team makes their chances more difficult. And, as we know...the Royals need a win tonight over Juniata to make it really hard for the selection committee not to include them in the dance. From a fan perspective it would be great to see these schools in the mix another time...I just think the stars will really need to be aligned for it to happen. But, who knows...stranger things have certainly happened. It would be neat in a way to see these schools back at tournament time playing in the Long Center once again! ;)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ronk on March 01, 2008, 12:17:25 PM
   Yes, the only way for it to happen is Desales losing to Kings. Desales is the only pool C possibility.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on March 01, 2008, 03:39:11 PM
'toga, ronk. Did you know this is the Freedom Board?? :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on March 02, 2008, 02:14:58 AM
Of course we do...however, besides Wilkes, an occasional Kings poster & the SID @ Desales...who else posts here anymore?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wb1313 on March 02, 2008, 09:37:08 AM
Congrats to Kings!  Here's to hoping Desales gets a Pool C invitation that they deserve.  The numbers seem to be working in their favor so let's cross our fingers!

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: DSU Backer on March 02, 2008, 10:48:01 AM
Congrats to Kings for a well played game.  They certainly earned the victory and the automatic NCAA bid that goes with it.  Good luck and represent the MAC-Freedom well.  Hopefully DeSales will get an at-large bid.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on March 02, 2008, 11:22:51 AM
Saratoga has returned to celebrate in the King's Dynasty!

Anyway, first off a tip of the cap to DeSales.  A talented team that just came up a little shor three times.  The Buffalo Bills of the MAC Freedom League.  As a King's fan, DeSales is probably the opponent you respect the most.  Unlike Scranton/Wilkes there's no blinding hatred fueled by a local rivalry.  King's and DeSales have just battled over the past four years, and luckily for the Monarchs, they came out on top more often than not. 

I remember having a conversation with someone at King's who had no tie to the basketball program in the fall of 2004.  This person told me that King's opportunity had passed, that their best chance of winning a conference title went out the door the previous season, when King's lost six seniors and three starters to graduation.  The person told me that Horgan would not be able to carry the team and the freshmen were too much of a question mark.  Well, I think it's safe to say he was wrong now.  Another big win for this senior class, and I think today's Citizen's Voice article sums it up pretty well.

Congratulations King's, good luck in the tournament.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on March 02, 2008, 04:27:42 PM
Leo: You've got that right...I'm here to celebrate anything Elvis!  :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kcxc09 on March 02, 2008, 08:04:02 PM
first off i want to say desales played a really good game yesterday in the losing effort, i think they deserve an pool c bid to the tourny and i hope they get one. hopefully we have 2 teams to represent the freedom conference and 3 total to represent the MAC

Also what is the possibility of kings hosting on thursday? i was looking at the other teams in the region that are in or possibilities to get in and to me it looks really good for them to host a game, while they might not have the best record, they have what looks like the best gym to host a NCAA game with a 3200 people being able to fit in Scandlon

My guess on who we will be playing is Widener and I dont believe their gym is big enough to host(1500 according to their profile on d3hoops), then there are other teams within short driving distance such as baptist bible(1500), immaculata(?), desales(1000)
Scranton comes to closest at 2800 if they get in but even if they do we have pretty similar records and the NCAA can make more money with 400 more capacity, i dont know if im missing anyone else

Another thing is that we are on spring break this week and the NCAA might take that into consideration and figure that a lot of students wont come but we are a pretty big commuter school and a lot of students live in the area or close enough to come back for a tournament game.

I know the NCAA can probably ship off to play an NJAC school or even ursinus(3500, but i dont see them having a thursday game, 25-2 record) but I would think they would save a lot more money keeping us close to where you have 4 or 5 schools within a hour and a half of each other
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on March 02, 2008, 08:15:42 PM
Quote from: saratoga on March 02, 2008, 04:27:42 PM
Leo: You've got that right...I'm here to celebrate anything Elvis!  :)

Saratoga,

I had to read your post tiwce before I got it, but that's good stuff.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on March 03, 2008, 09:31:50 AM
I don't know how many fans, at mid season, when King's was at 10-8 asked me, "What's wrong with King's?   A lot of posters were wondering the same thing.  In the beginning of the year, Coach JP seemed to be experimenting with different lineups and combinations with mixed resultis.  About the halfway mark,  I understand that Coach challenged his team and especially the seniors.  The team certainly responded.  They hitched the wagon to John Soboleski and along with the poise and leadership of Jamie Cousart, and the sacrifice of fellow seniors Scalzo, Dweberg, Welsh, and Nenstiel, and the play of the youngsters Conroy and Hacker, accepted the team concept and rattled off 9 wins in a row.  In an earlier post, Naismith and I mentioned that we thought Nenstiel would be a factor, and he turned up big in the championship game.  A tip of the hat to DeSales and I hope they get a bid to the dance.  Congrats to King's for winning their 3rd conference title in 4 years, all at the expense of Desales, and good luck in the tournament.   
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on March 03, 2008, 04:51:32 PM
Lefty2: Good catch! Let the second season begin.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: with age comes? on March 04, 2008, 11:22:36 PM
Anybody here willing to do a 2008 NCAA Tourney Team Profile & Outlook for King's over on the multi-regional board?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wb1313 on March 05, 2008, 09:32:35 AM
Stop Sobolewski and you've got a good chance to stop King's.  That being said, it's easier said then done. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on March 05, 2008, 10:19:04 AM
It's been a few days, had a chance to digest things a little bit.  Still not sure I'm comfortable living in a world where the last 4 Freedom Champs are King's, King's, Scranton, and King's.

With age - King's is a Senior-heavy team.  Soboleski is their big fella inside.  Like WB said, stop him, and you just beat King's.  Cousart and Dwebeng are good, but they're just the role players on this team.  They're not the most talented team in the tournament, but they do bring all sorts of experience.  As Freshmen, this group went to the Elite 8.  But I'll leave the actual breakdown of King's team and numbers to guys like Bob Z.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on March 05, 2008, 06:53:10 PM
And where has Mr. Ziadie been of late?  Sorry if i misspelled his name, but he's been missing in action for most of the season.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on March 05, 2008, 07:47:42 PM
Kate,

Good spelling - I think Bob gave up d3hoops.com for Lent.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on March 05, 2008, 08:28:04 PM
As Bob Ziadie's official spokesman, let me say that the Ultra SID is busy plannng for his upcoming wedding sometime this summer. Zade's decided it's time to settle down and being the nice guy that he is, turned over his special black book to me.
He has also informed me he is through posting, especially since 'toga failed to meet him in the alley after calling him out.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on March 06, 2008, 07:30:57 AM
Quote from: cold_case on March 05, 2008, 08:28:04 PM
As Bob Ziadie's official spokesman, let me say that the Ultra SID is busy plannng for his upcoming wedding sometime this summer.

A sincere congrats to Bob.  I just hope his future wife understands there are some crazy long days at work with that job.

And I gotta say, I don't blame the guy for not posting anymore.  He has no reason to justify himself to unknowing nobodies, and yes, Chilled30, we're exempt from that comment.  It's a busy enough (and thankless enough) job.  Better things to do.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Knightstalker on March 06, 2008, 02:51:22 PM
Congratulations to Bob Z.  I have known Bob and his brothers for a long time, since Elementary or Jr High.  They are all very nice guys and Bob was one of the guys that always looked out for the younger kids.  Bob was also a very good offensive and defensive tackle, very good wrestler and catcher.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on March 06, 2008, 10:00:23 PM
King's wins by 30 and Jamie "The Role Player" Cousart drops 20.  Now comes the real test against Plattsburgh.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: old ends on March 06, 2008, 10:44:17 PM
Good luck to Kings against Plattsburgh.. Looks like they came alive and came to play again.

Congrats on thier victory tonight over Clarkson.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kcxc09 on March 08, 2008, 07:41:13 PM
update from King's athletic website, at halftime Kings 33 Plattsburgh State 26
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: old ends on March 08, 2008, 11:43:58 PM
Kings took them to overtime...

congrats overall to King's for winning thier Conference and getting into the NCAA's.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on April 04, 2008, 12:53:06 PM
King's College coach J.P. Andrejko as a strong candidate to take over the head coaching vacancy at Bloomsburg. Good for him if he gets it.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on April 09, 2008, 09:00:38 PM
Why is the Bloom job better than King's?

It has been very good to the last few guys in the position.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on April 10, 2008, 12:44:23 PM
First of all lefty2, Bloom is D-II. You know, a step up which is what most if not all coaches are in this business for.
Secondly, do you mean it has not very been good to the last few guys in the position?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on April 10, 2008, 09:20:08 PM
CC,
Thanks for catching my typ-o. 

I meant to say the Bloom job HASN'T been very good to the last few guys who had it.

I'm aware Bloom is D-II.  Is any D-II job better than any D-III job?

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on April 11, 2008, 10:11:54 AM
I guess it depends on the situation, locale, etc. This would be a good move for J.P. and it makes sense.
In another bit of news, it looks like Wilkes SID "Jumpn" John Seitzinger is leaving his position to take a different job outside of athletics.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 11, 2008, 11:21:57 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on April 10, 2008, 09:20:08 PM
I'm aware Bloom is D-II.  Is any D-II job better than any D-III job?

I would say no, but I'm a little biased. :)

Seriously, though -- there are D-III teams that are better than D-II teams, D-III athletic departments that are better than D-II athletic departments and D-III jobs that are better than D-II jobs.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on April 11, 2008, 07:57:05 PM
Pat,

I agree.  I don't think a move to a higher level equals better job.

I'm also wondering if the Bloom job is actually open.

Best of luck to John Seitzinger.
Title: Cold Case?
Post by: lefty2 on April 18, 2008, 10:56:18 AM
CC,

Are you still with us?

It has been brought to my attention that the Bloomsburg isn't even open.

With that, J.P.'s people have had no contact with Bloom people.



Title: Re: Cold Case?
Post by: cold_case on April 19, 2008, 11:05:44 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on April 18, 2008, 10:56:18 AM
CC,

Are you still with us?

It has been brought to my attention that the Bloomsburg isn't even open.

With that, J.P.'s people have had no contact with Bloom people.

Who brought it to your attention??
Sometimes great sources can mess up. J.P. said he's been hearing that rumor for a month but recently said NO. It wasn't true.
On the flip side, King's is bringing in a high quality player from ... can't say just yet.
Also, John Seitzinger relinquished his duties as Wilkes SID last week for a cool job with the PA Game Commission.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on April 19, 2008, 08:38:19 PM
For starters, the Bloom website has no vacancy listed.

Seitzinger took a job with "Gaming" Commission as in gambling; not the "Game" Commission as in hunting.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on April 22, 2008, 01:15:10 PM
lefty2, or should I start saying Mr. Perfect?
Gaming Commission is what I meant.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on April 22, 2008, 06:06:00 PM
How about Mr. Clarification?

Sources tell me you're a top candidate to replace Seitzinger.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 22, 2008, 06:54:58 PM
Shame on anyone trusting CC's sources. :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on April 23, 2008, 03:50:39 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 22, 2008, 06:54:58 PM
Shame on anyone trusting CC's sources. :)

Darn you Pat. ;D

lefthander, me replace John Seitz? You don't know the half of it. Goes back a long time.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on May 03, 2008, 02:03:27 PM
Good luck to our very own Colonel John today in the 134th running of the Kentucky Derby.

The Wilkes uber-fan will be starting from the tenth post position today and is a 4-1 shot to take the roses. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on May 05, 2008, 07:32:51 AM
Sorry to let the Wilkes faithful down by not representing better.  Hey, YOU try running a mile and a quarter in under 2 minutes...

I'll see you at the Preakness.   ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 15, 2008, 03:31:51 PM
Lycoming will be looking for a head coach:

http://www.d3hoops.com
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bballfan112 on June 27, 2008, 12:30:02 PM
I see Lycoming College hired a new head coach, Guy Rancourt from Stony Brook. does anyone else know who the other finalists were, and anything about Coach Rancourt? Looks like it was a good hire for Lycoming, as he brings experience as a head d3 coach and assistant d1 coach prior to arriving at Lycoming.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mailsy on July 01, 2008, 12:06:51 PM
Now that is July 1st.  Usually the beginning of some new fiscal years. Does anyone have any idea how the new MAC is going to be situated now that the 3 former PAC(now CSAC) members have moved?  Is it going to be based on location? or some other situation.  I didn't see anything in the thread.  Thanks in advance. :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mailsy on July 01, 2008, 12:31:29 PM
I did look at some of the up coming schedules for schools in MAC not all schedules are complete.   ???  It looks as if some schedules are unbalanced.  If you look at Del Val's schedule in the Freedom they have 16 conference games in men's BBall.  Shouldn't there only be 14 for 8 members; or are the conferences going to be unequal for the upcoming year?  Hey Kate any ideas?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on July 01, 2008, 02:24:28 PM
Howdy, Mailsy.  Yes, the League is lopsided this year.  We have Arcadia going to the Commonwealth & we gain the three others, Alvernia, Eastern, & Misericordia.  Probably we should be giving one to the other half for the 09-10  season.  As much as i welcome those three,  it leaves not too many dates for "exotic" :) out-of- conference games.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mailsy on July 01, 2008, 05:53:30 PM
Do you think they'll split the league more regionally for 09-10?  ???
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on July 01, 2008, 06:48:44 PM
If gas prices go the way they're going now, it had better be more of a regional alignment! >:(
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on July 14, 2008, 12:56:19 PM
Aren't schedules generally up by about now?  I've gotta call off work for the 2 (3?) Wilkes vs King's games this season.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: pabegg on July 14, 2008, 01:00:23 PM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on July 14, 2008, 12:56:19 PM
Aren't schedules generally up by about now?  I've gotta call off work for the 2 (3?) Wilkes vs King's games this season.

Some are, most aren't. Neither Wilkes or King's is up yet.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: G-manWU on August 13, 2008, 10:57:58 PM
Hello everyone- first-time poster here, but I've been "lurking" on this board, as I believe you call it, for the past 3 seasons or so. My involvement with Freedom Conference basketball stems from my recently-completed undergraduate years at Wilkes, where I worked with the men's basketball program as the manager/video guy/whatever other creative title you can come up with. My involvement runs from the 2004-05 season up through the most recent 2007-08 campaign.

My involvement was a fantastic time with a great group of people- Coach Rickrode, all of our assistants, and all of our players were great to work with- I've gathered a treasure trove of memories over those seasons that will be fondly remembered. My entry into both the working world and graduate school will obviously mean i'll be at fewer games, but I'll always make my best effort to keep up with the program and be at a fair share of games.

In any event, I'm looking forward to joining the discussions, so let's look forward to a great season of MAC-F basketball!

ColonelJohn- I've finally arrived!! Regarding the schedule issue, I don't know if Wilkes has found a replacement for Seitz yet, so I'm not suprised if it's not online just at the moment. I'm not sure what games I'll be able to make but I'll catch up with you at some point.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on August 14, 2008, 07:37:47 AM
Allow me to channel (TV pun intended) my inner Chris Berman...

The GEEEEE-Man!  Bienvenidos, senor.  Hope you enjoy your stay.

King's has posted their schedule.  The 2 Wilkes games are Wed Dec 3rd at King's, Wed Jan 28 at Wilkes.  Don't worry, I have already called off work those 2 days, and the corresponding Thursdays.

As an aside, God forbid Wilkes and King's could ever play on a Saturday night.  Growing up, I watched games at Scranton.  Big conferece games would be part of a Saturday night doubleheader, women at 6, men at 8.  Made for a great atmosphere.  When the torch was passed from Scranton to Wilkes, there were a bunch of Saturday night games.  Now?  Big games seem to fall on Tuesdays and Wednesdays, but the Saturday games are at 1 and 3.  I'm calling for it - bring back the Saturday night doubleheader!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: G-manWU on August 21, 2008, 10:46:35 PM
Thanks for the intro CJ- It's always great to have you around! If I hear anything more about the 2008-09 scheudle for Wilkes, I'll give you a yell.

I don't know how many of the regulars are on here, but I hope we're all looking forward to the season down the line.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: MACfan08 on September 02, 2008, 10:26:08 PM
Here are some early overviews of this up coming season as I see it right now.  Have spent a lot of time watching the MAC the past couple years and figured I would join the board to give my input with whatever it might be.  Really looking forward to this new league and the teams that will come in hopefully they don't hate it as much as Manhattenville does after one season and loosing like they did last year in the playoffs with a great team.  Well below are my first 5 teams I have over viewed. 

Wilkes- To me are going to be the pre-season favorites.  Return a lot of guys only loosing one player is Matt Gould who only averaged about 9 points per game and had 87 assist on the year.  He was a leader kind of guy and played great defense but I look for Gulla to take over his role as point guard and really make this team better.  Wilkes will have a great force inside and will dominate games inside the paint if they are coached right. With a lot of returners I do not really even need to ask about who they might have brought in this year as a freshman but if a freshman is getting on the court with this team then he is going to have to be a standout player.  Also, lets not forget that Cable will be joining the team this year as well and will add another deep threat to the team.  I look for Wilkes to Win the MAC but if they do not have the right mind set could loose it. 

Alvernia-  New to the MAC and coming from the PAC went 16-11 last year losing in the second round of the conference tournament.  They are not losing anyone on the team they did not have one senior last year and when looking at who they played last year that will now be in the MAC they were 6-0 so that looks pretty promising.  Alvernia is going to bring a little different style in with a lot of run and gun and a little more street ball kind of mind set.  They have an out standing player returning in Shawell who averaged 21 points and 6 rebound so an all around player that might be the best player in the league and will contend for player of the year.  Look for Alvernia to come into the MAC and make some noise plus it is a tough gym to play in they normally bring a decent crowd and it can get loud. 

DeSales-  Desales might surprise some teams this year considering they lost two main parts to their team.  Loosing Ohlson and Stricker will hurt them early in the year but I think with the coaching they have will bounce back and really be ready to contend come league play.  Ohlson was a great leader to the team and set up guys to score and Stricker was a great inside presents and always needed a double team in big situations.  But DeSales does return Braswell and Lapinski and Zwetolitz who will really be looked to lead this team.  Also, I have heard rumors that DeSales picked up a transfer from division 1. If this is true this could be the missing piece to them getting back to the championship game in the MAC.  I am looking for Braswell to have a break out year and it is really going to be his team this year and he will be given an opportunity to really open things up.  But I think this comes down to coaching and DeSales has a great staff and will really get the most out of their kids and will prepare them very well. 

King's- This was the hardest one to predict because you just do not know.  They loose 9 seniors which is pretty much their whole team.  They will be loosing 3 of 5 starters in Cousart, Scalzo, and Soboleski.  They also loose three great threats off the bench in Dwebeng, Welsh, and Nenstiel.  They will be loosing about 80 to 85 percent of their scoring and are going to need guys to step up.  Also, heard a rumor that Hacker the freshman who started last year has been suspended by the school for the first semester for off court reasons.  So they will need 4 fresh guys to start this year and will lack experience.  Look for Schule, Conroy, Brasky, and possibly Gilmartin to fill some of those missing pieces.  Also, I have heard the big recruit J.P. Landed was McGowan Chad's brother so that could be another piece that we do not know about yet.  But in the end look for Andrejko to do what he does best and that is coach.  He will coach this team to a playoff spot and will make his team compete like always.  King's will finish in the fourth spot and travel to Wilkes for the first round and you never know what can happen with that. 

Del Val- Look for the Aggies to really be a lot better this year with a new coach in there.  Stitzel is coming from a very good year at a local high school and also has experience playing and coaching at Widener. Talk to a few guys that said he was out and about this summer working very hard to recruit guys for this year and have said he got a couple good players to come and will have a competitive team this year to put on the court. This is a team that I am picking as my sleeper. 

The rest of the teams I really have not done enough research on but once I do I will put as much as I can on here for people to see and add onto it.  Should be a very interesting year in the MAC very wide open in my mind and besides possibly Wilkes everyone is going to be fighting for a playoff spot every night there are no easy games on the schedule.   
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopzwiz on September 03, 2008, 12:13:04 PM
Thats good stuff.  Can't take umbrage with anything you said. 
I've seen Alvernia over the years - they could be very good and Shawell is as tough a matchup as there is.  To big for guards to cover, to athletic and skilled on the perimeter for bigs to check.  I would say he's the favorite for POY.

Keep an eye on their roster, they always seem to have one or two good young players that might not fit academically at other schools but can really play.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on September 04, 2008, 12:08:32 AM
Thank you to the scheduling gods.  Wilkes plays Susquehanna IN Selinsgrove, giving me a chance, or an excuse, to check out Selin's Grove brewery.  And Wilkes's last game is against Lebanon Valley IN Annville, the home of Pizza Summit III and the great Warren Thompson.  Great schedule for those of us down-state.

MAC Fan 08, I agree with ya on a lot of that.  Just a quick point.  What are you gonna do in 4 months when it's no longer '08??  Just puttin in out there...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: MACfan08 on September 10, 2008, 11:31:30 PM
Ahhhh its ok the 08 will just let us all remember the year i joined with my great input.  Does anyone have any information on the remaining teams that i did not include.

Mahantenville is just going to be impossible to predict. Like King's they lost a lot of their starters and their team in general.  I really have no clue where they get their kids from or anything since last year was their first year in the league.  I see them bringing in some good freshman to fill the voids on the team and they will compete. They also will fair well because they will win just about every home game up there in that place they call a gym but i will admit it gives the a very big advantage. 

What about... Misericordia, Eastern, Cabrini, FDU????
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopzwiz on September 11, 2008, 09:32:34 AM
Unless something has changed....Cabrini is still one of the few teams to have remained in the CSAC(formerly the PAC).

Eastern is always tough, especially in there gym.  Tough place to play, similar to Manhattanville, its a great home court advantage.  Not a nice place.....but a tough place.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: MACfan08 on September 11, 2008, 02:16:46 PM
Yeah Cabrini is still in the CSAC i made a mistake there... what does eastern have coming back???
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopzwiz on September 12, 2008, 09:51:06 AM
Don't know their roster real well but based on their website they only lost a couple guys.  Flanagan looks like a key loss.  They seem to like their recruits as well based on the story they posted on their website.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on September 14, 2008, 09:02:10 PM
Has any school ever posted a release saying they didn't like their recruiting class?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopzwiz on September 15, 2008, 09:43:42 AM
Touche'.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 15, 2008, 01:35:39 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on September 14, 2008, 09:02:10 PM
Has any school ever posted a release saying they didn't like their recruiting class?

:)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on September 15, 2008, 02:20:02 PM
Quote from: hoopzwiz on September 15, 2008, 09:43:42 AM
Touche'.

Are they D-III?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on September 16, 2008, 04:21:06 PM
New coach in DelVal?  I'm going to miss Surovec calling all of his timeouts when his team's down thirty late in the second half.

Also, you heard it here first, I predict that Ian Gilmartin has saved his best for last.

MACFan08, you are a true gentleman and scholar, a compliment that I do not give out too often. 

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: daman2010 on September 18, 2008, 12:23:46 PM
A team that will be strong in the MAC in 2008-2009 will be Manhattanville... if you seen this team last year they had this 6'6 big man always around the team but never played.Well I seen him play this summer up in NYC streetball tournaments. From what I learned he was hurt all of the 2007-2008 season. But now he is better and when I seen him play I said dame this kid is good. He can jump, he's smart also he post game is something to watch.  What he was doing to the best players in NYC was jaw dropping. I learned his name excuse me if I spell it wrong Fabrizzio Leroy but everyone was calling him Just FAB. Also they have a D1 transfer from FDU very smart point guard.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on September 18, 2008, 01:14:26 PM
daman,

I thought you might be referring to yourself, but I guess you would've been able to spell your name correctly.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: MACfan08 on September 18, 2008, 02:55:09 PM
Sounds like Manhattenville will be tough then we all know a good big man and point guard combo can take you a long way just look at King's last year Cousart and Soboleski carried that team down the stretch and did what they needed to do.  I just think Manhattenville has the biggest advantage in the league with the home court.  It is very likely for a team to go into Wilkes or Kings or Desales and get a W but to go up to Manhattenville and get a win the in the always loud and crazy shoe box is just going to be hard I think.  Should be interesting I just hope the coach can get the most out of his kids because I still think he needs to prove him self with the way last year ended.

Well we are less then a month away and hopefully teams are starting to really get their stuff together and should be having a lot of preseason workouts going on by now.  Going to be an interesting year in the MAC I just do not see a team running away with it this year. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: G-manWU on September 18, 2008, 11:05:40 PM
MACfan08, I can agree with you 100% on the home-court advantage of Manhattanville- that's probably the toughest gym to play in that I saw in my four years of working with the Colonels. They can't fit much of a crowd in, but the fans that they do get are nasty, to say the least, and the visiting team needs to walk through a cordon of them to ge to the visitors locker room at halftime and after the game- the degree of BS we got on the way out of there was really unbelieveable.

Another thing that factors in for all the visiting teams is travel- last season we had to go up to Purchase on a Wednesday night, and playing a game after a day of classes and a 3-hour drive isn't an easy deal. For us, perhaps the worst part was getting lost on the way back to Wilkes-Barre and not getting in until 3:30 AM. Most teams are able to go up on a Saturday afternoon, but for the unfortunate ones who need to make it a Wednesday, It's a tough assignment.

Your season preview is very good, but I diden't see you mention DeRojas in there anywhere regarding Wilkes- he was the rookie of the year last season and will be a key player again this season. Gould will be a big loss indeed, as much for his off-the court personality as for his performance on the floor- he was a great friend and leader by example for everyone around the program. With this year's team, all of the returning guys are great people who have been around the system and have some experience- the potential is there for some good things, but this is a tough league every season, and they'll need to be at the top of their game every night.

Finally, through my work with football and basketball the last four years, I've been to the Delaware Valley campus more times (seven) than any other school besides King's- I wish the new coach best of luck, but until the school somehow upgrades the basketball facilities, It's going to be tough for any coach to recruit anyone there. The Aggies did a greta job with their new baseball/softball fields and the football playing surface, so hopefully they will give some attention to the gym in the future.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: daman2010 on September 20, 2008, 12:52:52 AM
Well LEFTY2 I wouldn't put my real name up as my screen name. So I will explain to you my screen name DaMan in the right term its "The Man". but I spelled "The" with a DA. So if you want to worry about spelling go to a Spelling Bee message board. Aight

Okay so back to basketball right fellas. Mann' ville is in progress of building a new gym. Might be done by 2010 season. But yes they do have a shoe box it hot as hell in there when crowded. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on September 20, 2008, 04:16:04 AM
DaMan,

I wasn't questioning your spelling.

I was referring to the fact that if you are/were in fact Fabrizzio Leroy touting yourself that you wouldn't have wondered if you spelled Fabrizzio Leroy correctly.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: daman2010 on September 20, 2008, 01:32:01 PM
Lefty2 excuse my last message. No im not Fab I still don't know how to spell his. I found it on a NJCAA website. But yes I feel this guy can help Mann'Ville go far in the MAC.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on September 20, 2008, 10:41:40 PM
Quote from: daman2010 on September 20, 2008, 12:52:52 AM
Well LEFTY2 I wouldn't put my real name up as my screen name. So I will explain to you my screen name DaMan in the right term its "The Man". but I spelled "The" with a DA. So if you want to worry about spelling go to a Spelling Bee message board. Aight

Okay so back to basketball right fellas. Mann' ville is in progress of building a new gym. Might be done by 2010 season. But yes they do have a shoe box it hot as hell in there when crowded. 

daman
Has the college broken ground on this facility? When I spoke to members of the coaching/support staff last year, they mentioned nothing of getting a new facility...Perhaps there is a link on the manhattanville web site to see more?
Thanks!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mid-range j on September 22, 2008, 02:19:13 PM
daman2010,

I'm sorry man but stop spreading rumors on the message board.  Everything you said is out of context and you aren't even spelling M'ville right.  Its M'ville not mann'ville, manville or however else you spelt it.  There is no process of "building" a new gym.  So shhhh! 

As for basketball, it should be a great year.  I'm excited, ecspecially with the 3 new teams arriving.  Anyone know anything about Eastern, Alvernia, and Misericordia?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopzwiz on September 23, 2008, 10:03:01 AM
Don't know much about 3 new teams.

As long as Willie Chandler doesn't have any eligibility left, it doesn't really matter.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: daman2010 on September 23, 2008, 10:52:28 AM
Mid Range j,

Listen I know how to spell Mannhattenville. I just like MannVille or your M'ville. As long as you know im talking about the college basketball team than we are good. Also Mid Range J is right they did not break ground for a new gym. I had to ask around before I gave a def answer. Also someone threw a joke in there and said Blame it on the Asia college that M'ville is hiding in the back.

As for the new team to the MAC I haven't heard anything about as of yet. But I will ask around.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mid-range j on September 23, 2008, 12:56:52 PM
Quote from: daman2010 on September 23, 2008, 10:52:28 AM
Mid Range j,

Listen I know how to spell Mannhattenville. I just like MannVille or your M'ville. As long as you know im talking about the college basketball team than we are good. Also Mid Range J is right they did not break ground for a new gym. I had to ask around before I gave a def answer. Also someone threw a joke in there and said Blame it on the Asia college that M'ville is hiding in the back.

As for the new team to the MAC I haven't heard anything about as of yet. But I will ask around.

daman,
just breaking your chops, but its spelt Manhattanville not Mannhattenville...lol..and we people from Manhattanville call is M'ville, everyone here knows that..i just want to get the facts straight thats all.  I'm a true valiant so I know these kinds of things..tell fab i said whattup...no new gym at mville, thats how rumors get started! Who are you getting your info from?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mid-range j on September 23, 2008, 02:21:18 PM
daman, you're a joke, stop embarrassing yourself now, pleaseeeeee, there are talks about it, but talks are talks, that doesnt mean they are definately 100 percent in the "process" of building a new gym, they just have a proposal, and yes I is telling you (whatever kind of english that is you are speaking) that it is the last thing that is being mentioned in Mville meetings, maybe it has been brought up but to have a new gym at Mville it would be a LONG process before even saying YES (which is unlikely) so NO, no new gym, and YES once again you dont know anything about "Mansville"
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jabstep08 on September 25, 2008, 12:45:35 PM
I am new to the board and would like to say a few things. I dont believe that showell will be back at alvernia this year due to grades. Eastern and Misery will compete due to good coaching. del Val should be ok since stitzel has raided widener for players. Does anyone know if the kid Wiggins from Del Val is back? just would like to get some feedback
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: G-manWU on September 30, 2008, 10:52:01 PM
Quote from: jabstep08 on September 25, 2008, 12:45:35 PM
I am new to the board and would like to say a few things. I dont believe that showell will be back at alvernia this year due to grades. Eastern and Misery will compete due to good coaching. del Val should be ok since stitzel has raided widener for players. Does anyone know if the kid Wiggins from Del Val is back? just would like to get some feedback

Jabstep,

No idea on Wiggins, but last year I thought he was probably the best player on their roster. He may not be the guy that the team builds around, and they need several more pieces to contend, but he's a good athlete who can play a major role.

Miseri is a great addition to the league- they have a great facility on a very nice campus, with relatively easy highway access. I can't think off the top of my head who they have back, but they have a good squad that's going to probably play well in this league.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jabstep08 on October 08, 2008, 07:32:13 PM
G-ManWU,

I dont think that Wiggins is back at Del Val, he was hands down the best athlete on the team last year. I looked at his numbers and he almost ave a double double in under 20 mins a game in league play. The league will be very interesting to watch this year. Thanx for your feedback
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: G-manWU on October 08, 2008, 11:40:34 PM
Jabstep, you are correct about Wiggins, as I have since heard that same thing from a very reliable source with some inside scope on the league. Normally that would be a big loss and may indeed be in this case, but anytime a new coach comes in you never know what he brings in with regards to new talent.

I'm also looking forward to a good season- should be a good one!

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: MACfan08 on October 15, 2008, 03:28:26 PM
Well today was the start of a new year so what do we now know about sume of the rumors that were going around which are true and which are false.  What teams stepped on the court today with their transfers everyone said they got and which ones realized it was just all talk. 
Desales is suppose to have some transfer point guard is this true and whats his deal any good where he come from and why did he leave. 
M'ville is suppose to have some big kid that diddnt play last year was he seen at practice today and if so how much of an impact is he going to have on this years m'ville team. 
I know wilkes started off their season as soon as possible with 12am practice this morning and have it again tonight. word is going around that they have a good athletic freshman that is going to help them out. 
What about del-val everyone is trying to say they had two kids come from widener is this true and also what other talent did the new coach bring in to hopefully start to build this program.  People are talking in that area that are around the team saying this is going to be a different delval program and not to take them lightly is this true.
FDU in my eyes has one of the best scorers coming back but did the coach bring in some more talent to put around him to be able to win games this year.
And finally what about all the new guys how are they feeling they are not in the pac anymore which in my eyes was a very weak conference are they ready to step up to the bigger and better conference of the mac.

These are all questions that shall be answered soon if its player issues or team chemistry issues we shall know soon because they stepped on the court today so everyones team should be ready to go.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jabstep08 on October 15, 2008, 10:32:05 PM
MACfan08,

I think that Del Val has a couple transfers from Widener but the prize of the group maybe point guard James Jones. I really dont know anyone else. I think that its kinda funny since the previous coach is gone how the new coach is getting players into the school. I heard that he has cleaned house and is keeping 4 guys from last years team. I hope he does well
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: G-manWU on October 15, 2008, 11:46:37 PM
JabStep, quite interesting in regards to the DVC situation. No matter what, I hope the administration at least gets the guy a decent office- the room that I believe was the basketball HQ last seaosn at DelVal was not the mind of place a good coach deserves to work from.

I haven't heard much on other teams, but I know Coach Rickrode is very, very optimistic about his group of incoming players, so we will see how it all plays out.
Title: Midnight Madness
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on October 16, 2008, 03:24:24 PM
For those interested the Morning Call (local newspaper in Allentown area) did a story on DeSales' version of Midnight Madness which was held on Tuesday evening/Wednesday morning this week.

You can access all the links (story and video) from the DeSales athletics web site at this link - http://athletics.desales.edu/news/2008/10/16/MBB_1016081557.aspx?path=mbball (http://athletics.desales.edu/news/2008/10/16/MBB_1016081557.aspx?path=mbball).

As far as the rumors/speculation of the DeSales roster, transfers, etc...well my hope is to have our roster up within in the next few weeks complete with player bios, etc...so I'll let you guys continue to speculate until the official information comes out in a few weeks.

Back to the Fall sports for me.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: MACfan08 on October 28, 2008, 03:54:51 PM
Glad to see the desales faithfull are still pulling for their team after one of their best classes goes through empty handed losing 3 of 3 to King's 2 at home and 1 on the road.  Hopefully the student support will get that out of the minds of the players and coaches on this years team.

Now in other talk was looking at some different websites today and notices that on October 18th I was looking at some different rosters and one thing caught my eye from the 18th till now.  King's lost a player in Chris Hacker. He played last year started actually and was suppose to serve a 9 game suspension.  Now I notice he is no longer on the roster but was when it first came out so what is going on in Wilkes-Barre.

So this weekend should be the start to some scrimmages so where are teams going or who is hosting some scrimmages this weekend?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jabstep08 on October 29, 2008, 11:29:59 PM
Macfan08,

Two games will be played on sat. Del Val at Catholic University and Alvernia vs Harcum JC.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on October 30, 2008, 09:19:56 AM
FDU is scrimmaging Baruch this weekend...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on October 30, 2008, 01:49:38 PM
Baruch Obama?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chargers on October 30, 2008, 02:04:09 PM
Wilkes is scrimmaging Mansfield on Sun
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: MACfan08 on November 03, 2008, 12:18:22 AM
So after 3 weeks of practice teams finally hit the hardwood against someone else and see where they stand. So does anyone have any word on how teams did this weekend?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jabstep08 on November 09, 2008, 04:42:56 PM
just took at del vals roster for the up coming year, was wondering if anyone had any thoughts
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on November 10, 2008, 03:32:18 PM
Well, the pre-season poll is out....


1.  Wilkes 72 pts. (7), 2.  DeSales 64 pts. (2), 3.  Alvernia 54 pts., 4.  Misericordia 52 pts., 5.  King's 45 pts., 6.  Manhattanville 37 pts., 7.  Eastern 34 pts., 8.  FDU-Florham 27 pts., 9.  Delaware Valley 20 pts.

FDU opens the season with William Paterson at home....

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach K on November 10, 2008, 05:31:56 PM
Hello to everyone,

First of all, welcome back to D3 college hoops!

A couple questions... first of all, why did the MAC decide to go with 9 teams in the Freedom and 7 in the Commonwealth. Wouldn't it have been better to go back to 8 and 8, or is that eventually in the works?

Secondly, who does Wilkes have coming back that they are the preseason favorite? They have Kresge back, but I believe Gould graduated, and I wasn't terribly impressed by them. Were they just young overall last year? I think the road to the title still runs through DeSales this season.

Alvernia, Eastern and Miseri from the old PAC will be tough. The league as a whole seems improved. Any thoughts?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: old ends on November 11, 2008, 08:17:57 PM
Well coach k we will try this-- DeRojas - rookies of the year, Kline, Gulla, and Ruby. Maybe the fact that they have 7 other players, beside the one's mentioned, that have playing time. They do look very strong this year,
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: G-manWU on November 13, 2008, 02:19:10 PM
Hello again everyone- I hope all is well sicne my last post.

Coach K, good to see you on here. In case you missed my intro post a few months ago, I worked for the program at Wilkes for each of the last four seasons during my undergrad years.

In terms of the number of teams on each side in the MAC, some of those things have boiled down to the preferences and locations of each school. For example, Misericordia is just down the road from both Wilkes and King's, so it makes perfect sense for them to be in the Freedom. On the flipside, with Alvernia and Albright being so close to eachg other, some sources have told me that one or both of those schools did not want to compete against each other in a conference format, so perhaps other feelings ran into the mix in that case.

On the current Wilkes squad, I know all of the returning players quite well and first and foremost, they are a great group of student-athletes who are fantastic people both on and off the court. Matt Gould exemplified that mold and his presence will greatly missed, but the remaining players have a great deal of potential and in many cases have shown great improvement to build up to this point. Nearly all the returning players have been key role-players for the last few seasons and are capeable of putitng up very good numbers. Another boost for the Colonels will be the return of Guy Fasciana, who missed almost all of last season due to injury.

Looking around the league, we all know that the conference title is earned and not awarded, and the team that is left standing at the end will have earned their way to that point. DeSales has some outstanding talent returning and winning in Billera Hall is no easy task, and the Bulldogs will no doubt be in the mix for the title. Still, every team starts off the year 0-0 in the win-loss records, so anyone and everyone still has a shot :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on November 14, 2008, 07:44:17 AM
The leaves have fallen... and it's good to be back.

DeRojas, Gulla, and Ruby at G
Kline and Kresge at 6'5", if you're playing a quicker team.
Start my guy John DeFeo if you're playing a bigger team.
Gabriel and Fasciana off the bench.

There's 8 guys who have experience, assuming nothing out of the Freshmen.

And, as an aside, Coach K, no idea about the logic of 9 Freedom & 7 Commonwealth.  Maybe they're anticipating losing a team here, and gaining a team there?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on November 14, 2008, 08:18:12 AM
Brian Hunter, an all-star player from Emmaus who started at Lehigh, has transferred to DeSales where he will play immediately.  Ugh, will this be an "all DeSales" year?  Gotta challenge em teams (that goes for the women, too). 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach K on November 15, 2008, 04:26:15 PM
Wow, I guess Wilkes will be pretty solid! I always liked the Kresge kid from back in his days at Pleasant Valley in HS. The Freedom will definitely be fun to watch. Kate, you mentioned Brian Hunter. With him, Darnell Braswell and Matt Zwetolitz in their back court, they will be in games every night. They might be a little thin with their big men, but those are three guys who can light it up any given night.

Miseri has a returning 1000 point scorer in Baumunk and solid guards, and I also think Woodruff is a pretty solid coach. Alvernia is always tough, and Matt King is another guy that can fill it up on a given night. Del Val has a new coach, Kings looks to be rebuilding after losing a lot from a big and physical team last year. It's going to be a lot of fun to watch this year!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: G-manWU on November 16, 2008, 06:34:30 PM
ColonelJohn,

Give me a yell and let me know if you will be in the house tomorrow evening for the season opener. I'll be there, and if I don't see you then I will track you down at another game soon- I also ahve it planned to make the first game vs. King's and I figure you will be there as well.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: MACfan08 on November 17, 2008, 09:22:00 AM
Well the season started for some of the teams around the league and it is looking a bit interesting already.

Alvernia start off the year with a loss to etown by 5.  Not a bad loss at all etown is a good team and a tough place to play at. 

Desales starts off the year on the right foot with a win over st. john fisher by 6 on the road.

Eastern opened up is year witha  blow out vistory over philadelphia biblical didnt seem to be much of a game with a 20+ point vistory maybe not the best team to start off with knowing the MAC is going to be good competition. 

FDU opened up at home with william patterson where the lost by 15. thought this was going to be a little better year for FDU getting everyone back and having one of the best players in the league so we will have to wait a little longer to see if they pan out. 

Manhattenville opened up in a tip off tournament where they took on washington and jefferson the first night and won by 5 then in the championship game they took a hard loss to stevens by 22 where the game was played at stevens.

Misericorida opened up on the road in a tournament down at york college where in the first night they played susquehanna and lost by 9. Susquehanna is said to have a good team this year and are very big and physical. In the second night they beat york by 8 who my guess is on a little bit of a rebuilding year after lossing a stuf like mcgowan.

Finally to round out the opening weekend King;s hosted its own tip off tournament where in the first night they play some tech school from new york city. They beat them by 9 and moved on to play sunday in the championship. On sunday they took on #23 Widener and pretty much handled them from the tip. King's out hustled them, out played them, out coached them, and just did everything that was needed. Ended up beating them by 15 was very shocked with this because noone gave King's a chance going into that game on sunday.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on November 18, 2008, 09:55:59 AM
Wilkes 100, Baptist Bible 84.  50 in the first half, and 50 in the 2nd. Adds up to a c-note, my friends.

Baptist Bible's tallest guy was 6'3".  That obviously presented some match-up problems against a Wilkes team with 6'5"s Kline, Kresge, and Gabriel at forward and a much improved 6'6" John DeFeo at center.

With about 7 to go in the first half, Baptist Bible brought it to within 4.  A nice Wilkes run extended it to 15 (44-29), and it was never close again.  Chris DeRojas has 22, Tom Kresge had 24 and 14, and Steve Kline had 27 pts, 9 boards, and 8 assists. (Credit to the Wilkes website for the actual numbers)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on November 18, 2008, 10:44:07 AM
Col.:  Wilkes does have some nice size this year (4 returnees and 2 Freshmen 6'5 or over).  Combined with the steady guard play of last years Rookie of the Year, DeRojas, it creates a nice inside/outside game.  The addition of former King's great, Big John Soboleski, as new assistant coach, has really helped the big men.  He has been working with the big guys and you can see the improvement in their foot movement and aggressiveness.   Some of the drop steps and spin moves displayed in the first game were very reminiscent  of the former King's star.  With two more home games coming up this week, Coach JR will get a better look at some of the new guys, and have a chance to work on a good solid 8 man rotation.  The conference opener is not far away,  and it is King's on December 3.  Might as well get right into the mix from the get go. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on November 18, 2008, 12:34:39 PM
LJK: I think you nailed it.

However, as an alum of Bishop O'Reilly AND Wilkes, I've pretty well hated John Soboleski for every year starting with a 2.  The positive impacts he had at Hanover and King's... he's the sort of guy that you have nightmares about.  I saw the list of coaches this season and thought, "Heh, what are the odds? Some other Soboleski working for Wilkes. Weird."

All that having been said, I'm thrilled to have him on board.  Last night, saw him symbolically wearing blue.  All is forgiven.  Since '03 or so, the influence of a solid big man has been the difference between very good Wilkes (and DeSales) teams and the teams that eventually won the Freedom.  Think about it.  Huggler and the other guy at Lycoming, Bicknell at Scranton, Soboleski at King's.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: MACfan08 on November 18, 2008, 04:26:36 PM
I was at the wilkes game and i have one question to ask... where the hell was the defense?  Against a smaller less talented team in baptist bible there is no way wilkes should have let them put up 84 points in a 40 minute game just should not have happened.  I saw a team in wilkes that let guys get to the paint at will and i saw a wilkes team that did not contest three point shots at all.  Every college player can make a three without a hand in his face. On the other end they looked good.  They were playing well of offense and really were able to fill it up. The only questions i have is it looks like there may be some tension between gulla and derojas i noticed on many trips down the floor if gulla was wide open and derojas had the ball he did not pass it to him almost looked the other way as if he didnt see him and vice versa this could lead to some problems down the road if their two starting guard wont play together and be willing to let the other guy gets his too.  My last point is the MAC is going to be very guard based this year with two great ones at desales a great one at fdu a very good one at alvernia and from what i hear mahattenville has a quick shifty guard as well so my question is how is wilkes going to match up with that because number 12 from baptist bible did what ever he wanted and owned derojas off the dribble almost as if he wasnt there.

But again i will say wilkes looked good looks like they may have taken a step forward from last year which is good to see but you will not win a mac championship giving up 84 points that just all there is too it.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on November 19, 2008, 10:47:45 AM
MAC:  I agree with your assessment on Wilkes lack of "D", as it was evident in the first two games.   They did not contest the 3 ball and guys were driving right past them for the most part.  They have to tighten up on this end of the floor for sure.  DeRojas is a terrific offensive player but does have some deficiencies on the defensive end of the floor.  I have seen bigger, stronger, and more athletic guards give him trouble and take advantage of him.  I think Wilkes has to get more production out of the other guard spot to lighten the load for DeRojas.  I don't believe DeR was taken our of either game, if he was, it wasn't for long.  He is going to log a lot of minutes.  As far as the tension between Gulla and DeR, I didn't see it, but certainly doesn't bode well if there is something there.  I'll have to check that out as the season progresses.  Overall, it does look like Wilkes is a much improved ball club,  but it is only 2 games in, and we'll see as the competition gets better down the road. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: G-manWU on November 21, 2008, 01:38:03 AM
Hi everyone, sorry for my lack of contribution with the season under way but I have been overloaded with grad school work for much of this weke and had little time to spare. I was in the house on Monday night, and plan on being there for the game vs. Kean on Friday as well.

In terms of the defense, I would hope that those scores reflect a team that is still finding an identity in all phases of the game at this point in the season. BBC was a scrappy team that always play hard for 40 minutes, and I would put my money on the Wilkes "D" getting much tougher as conference play approaches. Friday night brings in a good squad that will be a great test for the Colonels, so let's see what happens.

ColonelJohn- Great catching up with you on Monday night. Good job also on the list of opposing big men, but be sure not to forget everyone's all-time favorite, Mike "Lumpy" Kreuter of the Royals.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on November 21, 2008, 03:14:43 PM
Quote from: G-manWU on November 21, 2008, 01:38:03 AM
Good job also on the list of opposing big men, but be sure not to forget everyone's all-time favorite, Mike "Lumpy" Kreuter of the Royals.

G-Man,
You laugh, but in the '06 Title game, friggin Lumpy was the difference maker.  Bicknell went out, Walters went out, and there was NO answer for Lumpy. Dude hit three baskets in about a minute, and the game had changed.

And as far as Wilkes's defense goes against Baptist Bible... it was 50-33 at the half.  With everyone playing full-on, BBC was on pace for 66.  At about the 18 minute mark in the 2nd half, the game just got a lot looser.  I put no creedence in "garbage time" stats.  If it's a 100-66 final, no one's saying a thing about "a lack of defense".
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jabstep08 on November 21, 2008, 10:47:46 PM
Just returned from the del val and york game and it was the same result as last years team a lost. Del val was up by 11 at the half and ended up losing 91-77. Del val has the talent but the coaching is bad.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on November 22, 2008, 11:07:12 AM
In a ugly but entertaining game, Wilkes lost its first game of the season, in overtime to Kean.  Both teams shot terribly from the field, with a big difference being the free throws.  Kean made 17 of 30, while Wilkes canned 35 of 47.  It was a bad match up for the Colonels, as they had trouble with the up tempo style of Kean.  The defensive pressure of Kean created a lot of turnovers for the Colonels.  It looks like a team who has a lot of speed and quickness could cause problems for this years Wilkes squad.  As I mentioned in my previous post, I think DeRojas needs someone to step up at the other guard spot and the lack of speed at that spot was very noticable.  All that being said, Wilkes led for most of the contest.  They were given a gift when a Kean player fouled Kline with .02 on the clock and Kline made the 2 pressure packed FTs to send it into overtime.  Wilkes made only 15 FGs the entire game and just 4 in the 2nd half as the pressure defense of Kean created havoc and made Wilkes set up their offense way too far from the basket.  Wilkes tried to spread the floor but the quickness was just not there.  After 3 home games to open the season, the Colonels go on the road against Susquehanna for their next game.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on November 22, 2008, 08:26:50 PM
re/ Wilkes-Kean
Wilkes jumped out to early 13 point lead within first 10 minutes. Used up tempo offense to get decent looks and DeRojas was able to get his shot.
From tht point on, Kean controlled the tempo.  They slowed down the Wilkes attack by subbin on every made basket and Wikes FT to set up a trapping press. This, in turn, forced Wilkes into 1/2 court sets.   
{Check the game summary and it is noticeable. (sub sub sub sub).}

The press itself did not create turnover havoc (Kline and Ruby once each and a 10 second violation).  Chris G logged a lot of minutes, was the most effective ballhandler against whatever pressure Kean applied.

The 2nd noticeable defieciency (tempo being #1 imho)  was the inability to get the ball inside in good position.. No doubt Tom K was bothered by the mask on his broken nose. But, by and large, Kean forced the Wilkes bigs to set up too far from basket, doubled and tripled them  once the ball entered.... and Wilkes did not respond well.  Slow decisions and forced shots resulted.

Kean had terrific team speed and some real UPS!! And it showed on the boards. They put a very very atheltic and quick player of DeRojas (#2) and he had
difficulty getting his shots  during the 2nd half. 


For Kean, once the tempo was in their favor, they continued to peck away. No.25 was very sound and effective and their one PG #5 had solid handle and hit the big 3 at the end of regulation.

At game end, some missed FT's and an untimely TO sealed it.

Overall, --the Wilkes bigs were pretty ineffective.  (Guard Chris G had team high 10 boards) Really not much from Anthony G, Steve K or John D. Frosh Kyle H had a few nice minutes and Tom K did play a solid game.   Chris G, in addition to handling the press,  took a couple of charges, played solid D.  When  it appeared the Colonels would win (whhich was most of the game)< I'd have handed him the game ball.

Most will remember a few missed ft's (I think Wilkes missed 4 of 6 down the stretch and in OT) and the 1 turnover.

I think Wilkes needs to improve their defense (too many guys get beat off the dribble)...and the interior defense has to step up. (a little better against Kean but a loang way to go).

As to Freedom,  I have yet to see anyone else so little to say.....but if Wilkes thinks that they will win Freedom via graduation losses, that just won't happen. They will need to play better.

Naismith



Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on November 24, 2008, 11:15:41 AM
Nais:  As you pointed out, Wilkes looked good in the first ten minutes of the game leading 27 to 14 and on pace for another 100 point game.  A nice coaching tactic by Kean, subbing on every made Wilkes basket, enabling them to set up full court press and control game tempo and momentum.  Two critical plays come to mind down the stretch.   Wilkes called time out to set up out of bounds play and threw it away and Gulla on 3 on 1 fast break picking up a charge foul.  I think Gulla played a good floor game for the most part, , handling the ball, and picking up a few charge calls.  However, I think he tried to to way too much in the last 2 minutes and came up a little short.  I would have liked to see the ball in DeRojas hands as the clock was winding down.  He usually makes the right decisions and hardly misses on the free throw line.    The old Wilkes nemesis of missing free throws at crunch time came back to bite them again.   
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: MACfan08 on November 24, 2008, 02:18:07 PM
Speaking to someone that is a wilkes fan told me one thing about this team that he notices and u sumed the game up in one word. So i asked him what would that be and he goes heart. he went on to tell me how this team just doesnt have heart they accept what is giving to them and they do not try to take anything away from anyone. As i said in my earlier post they are not a very good defensive team and when they are not able to put up 90 plus points they may lose a lot of games.  Being their next game is at susquehanna and i actually made it down there this past saturday to watch them play kings i think this is going to be a tough match up for wilkes as well.  They have two guards that are very quick off the dribble and can get to the basket whenever they want and also they are huge inside.  To me susquhanna's bigs will keep wilkes bigs in check and its going to come down to the guard and i just dont see wilkes guard playing good enough defense on them. 

Now as i said i was at the king's susquhanna game and wow thats just about all i can say. This king's team is not like any other in the past four years. They may not have all the talent in the world like JP is use to but i will tell you one thing they have heart and they play defense.  King's guys diving all over the floor winning every loose ball getting 35 second shot clock violations numerous times in the game and getting big stops at the end and in overtime is what won them this game. They are now 4-0 to start the year best start in 4 years for kings and if i recall 4 years ago it was a bunch of freshman that got them to the elite eight with some help of Horgan.  Its going to be interesting they will be tested on Tuesday when they play Albright at home but if King's wins this game on Tuesday this league better open their eyes and realize King's is for real and they are not going to beat you with talent but rather they will beat you with pure heart and desire with a great coach to go along with it. 

Last note i saw FDU handled merchant marine pretty well and merchant marine from what i read is suppose to be very good and was picked to finish second in their conference is FDU turing things around and going to compete this year or is merchant marine not as good as they were thought to be?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: timeout on November 26, 2008, 09:10:53 AM
I do not agree with you - i have been to every Wilkes game in the past 3 years and i believe this team has the most heart of any previous teams.  They play together as a team (not like last year) and they want the win. 
I do not know what game you were out but i though Gulla was horrible!  He has 5 turnovers and could have been the hero if he didn't dribble the ball off of his foot for the win.
I believe that Wilkes will not only beat Susquehanna but the will clober them.  If I remember correctly Susquehanna beat Penn College by only 10 points. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: G-manWU on November 26, 2008, 10:57:16 PM
Interesting conversation guys.

Not to blow my own horn, but having worked with the program for the past four seasons, I can give some good insight about the "heart" factor you are talking about, as well as a few other tidbits.

On the game with Kean itself, the Cougars did a good job of working the game to their talents. The quick double-teams they would bring against some of the slower guards reminded me alot of the Widener game last season where we struggled a great deal. What disappointed me was a good number of wasted scoring chances and turnovers on the offensive end- even with Kean doing a good job on D, Wilkes still needs to run the offense better.

Regarding the attitude of the players, the current Colonels are a group of high-charecter kids who are great to work with. They want to win and have a tremendous work ethic, no doubt. However, I think in recent years the fans have seen an array of talented players who have had a tremendous will to win- Constantine, Cardamone, Walters, Gould, Yanello- and that talent/passion is hard to duplicate. These guys have their own identity, and a big part of that is balance. While there is nothing to really do about this in terms of coaching, I think one thing that hamstrings the current group is that they are so balanced and cooperative, that there is no dominant player to look to in the clutch. That's not a bad thing, but it creates a dynamic where there is not a dominant guy to step up and take control.

Which brings me to my final point, regarding King's and their range of freshman talent, as mentioned by MACfan08. Indeed King's is well-coached (JP is one of the best guys in the MAC outside of the Marts Center) and always can be counted upon as a factor in the MAC. However, if you look at them in 2004-05, they had a dominant superstar in Horgan to lead them to the success they enjoyed. With all respect to the current bunch at King's, I can't think of any player on the roster who is even close to Horgan's talents, at least not at this time. The freshman who played for them then were key guys, but Horgan was the unquestioned difference-maker. He's an example of the dominant player who can lead a bunch of young guys to success- I don't think King's would win the title without him that year, and I don't think I would find anyone who could provide a credible argument otherwise.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on November 28, 2008, 09:47:04 AM
Quote from: timeout on November 26, 2008, 09:10:53 AM
"I do not agree with you - i have been to every Wilkes game in the past 3 years and i believe this team has the most heart of any previous teams.  They play together as a team (not like last year) and they want the win. 
I do not know what game you were out but i though Gulla was horrible!  He has 5 turnovers and could have been the hero if he didn't dribble the ball off of his foot for the win.
I believe that Wilkes will not only beat Susquehanna but the will clober them.  If I remember correctly Susquehanna beat Penn College by only 10 points. "

Timeout,

We must have been watching a different game.

Coach R tried a number of players to break the press against Kean.  He settled on CG becuase he had the "handle".
As mentioned, CG had a few steals, took some charges and broke the press flawlessly.
The TO's were aggressive plays and not tentative. I find it hard to fault someone for an aggressive foul.
Yes, he needs to improve his FT shooting.

Hard for anyone to get assists when the bigs are not converting.

And for the guy who wanted CD to have the ball late in game:  He did with 20 seconds to go in OT.
He tried to make a play and handed off to Kyle R for a desperation 3 with 2 seconds.

My view is simple.
The season is young. Most of these kids (and they are kids) did not have responsibility in crunch time until this year.
They are learning and improving.
The offense is much more fluid, faster and crisp.
Tommy K will eventually lose the mask,  Donatoni's foot will heal (he will add speed and quickness) and Ruby and Gulla will progress.
The bigs (Gabe, Steve K, Defeo, Hinze, Huch and Tom K ) will need to adjust to teams that try to take away the Colonel inside game.

This is a very talented team.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach K on November 30, 2008, 12:17:31 PM
Hope that everyone had a Happy Thanksgiving!

Big non-league game today. DeSales gets Randolph-Macon at their gym. Any thoughts on the game. DeSales has had a good start thus far. This is definitely going to be an interesting game. Generally speaking, would we all agree that D3 down in Virginia is slightly stronger than in the Mid-Atlantic Region? If nothing else, it will be nice to see where DeSales stands with someone outside their region.

Naismith, sounds like Wilkes has the makings of a solid team this year. For some reason however, I think that Miseri, King's, Desales and Wilkes are going to be spending a lot of time beating each other up in the conference this year. It would be a lot of fun to see all four of those teams make the conference tournament this season. Top notch coaching, talented squads, and some built in rivalries there! Who else might sneak in with those four squads for the 5th spot? Manhattanville? FDU? Alvernia? There are going to be a lot of fun games to watch once conference play starts up in full force!

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on November 30, 2008, 04:53:29 PM
Bulldogs represent the Mid-Atlantic Region well today.

DeSales - 59
RMC - 57

Hunter hits a floater with 1.2 left to win the game.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach K on November 30, 2008, 08:25:05 PM
BJ,

I was at the game today! Not just a good win, but a GREAT win for the Bulldogs! Down 40-31 and to fight back like that... impressive!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on December 01, 2008, 11:14:26 AM
Coach K...it is a nice win, but only from the perspective that we proved to be able to play with almost anyone at home.

Conference games are much more important than the game yesterday in my eyes.  This just gave us some confidence to be able to beat a very, very good team and also showed us that we can win even when trailing in the second half.

Hopefully a game like this will help us as the season progresses.

We still have a long way to go...but we are off to a good start.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on December 01, 2008, 12:22:33 PM
Wilkes lost on the road to Susquehanna, evening their record at 2-2, as they shot just 33% from the field.  Gulla and Ruby did not score one point.  Kline had 2 pts. and Defeo 1 pt. , Donatoni had 4 pts. and Gabriel canned 7 points.  Someone has to step up and give some support to DeRojas and Kresge.  CD, TK, and Kline are the core of this team, but they need some help to be successful as a unit.  The 2 guard appears to be a troubling spot, as the Colonels visit King's on Wed., for their first conference game of the season. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on December 01, 2008, 12:52:27 PM
LJ,

Didn't see the game.
Apparently down big very early with Susq scoring at will.

Then, things settled with some small runs but not enough.
Some horrible shooting stats from the field and FT's.

Looked at the assists to TO's (3-15 or sometning close to that) ....must have been ugly.

You are right. The big 3 offensive threats are SK , TK and CD.  (I would add Gabe to that mix as well) I am not sure what offense Wilkes ran but ......
TK apparently shot poorly (have to think that the nose and the mask are hurting him).
I really don't know why KR, CG (no shots attempted) and MD are not scoring. All 3 capable.

Am sure JR is hard at work trying to figure some things out....WEd and Kings coming fast.

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on December 02, 2008, 07:07:43 AM
Quote from: naismith on December 01, 2008, 12:52:27 PM

I really don't know why KR, CG (no shots attempted) and MD are not scoring. All 3 capable.

Am sure JR is hard at work trying to figure some things out....WEd and Kings coming fast.

Naismith

Nais,
You answered your own quandry.  Jerry was just resting a few offensive weapons, knowing King's would be scouting.  A little psych-out.   ;)

Happy Wilkes - King's Eve to everyone.  As a reminder, Wilkes has won 4 of the last 7 against King's, including playoffs.  Look it up.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: MACfan08 on December 02, 2008, 08:25:02 PM
Well first off just want to say i saw that one coming called that one and should have went to vegas with it. I knew after seeing both wilkes and susquehanna play that susquehanna would pull out the victory that is the first point i want to make.

Now to the good stuf Kings and Wilkes play tomorrow night and i looked for it to be a very even game with wilkes having a slight advantage inside with the amount of depth in big men and kigs is very slim and small with their big men. To me i see that as the reason why kings lost to albright and i see this being a tough matchup for them in this game as well. But this is a big game and the kings guys will be ready to play and will have something to prove. Kings is going to come out and try to show this league they are not a push over and they can still win after graduating so many people.  I look for this game to be close and will be determined down the stretch. What a way to kick of league play.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Jon on December 03, 2008, 03:14:19 PM
Wednesday, December 3, Women's & Men's Doubleheader
Delaware Valley @ Alvernia University | 6:00 & 8:00 p.m.

Webcast LIVE through athletics.alvernia.edu (http://athletics.alvernia.edu)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach K on December 03, 2008, 03:40:27 PM
Jon,

Welcome back! Thanks for the link. How are the Crusaders and the Lady Crusaders looking this season?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Jon on December 03, 2008, 03:52:58 PM
Coach,

Good to be back, even if it is in a new location.

Ladies could be good.  They have some youth in some key places, but those players will be gaining valuable experience early this season.  I would anticipate that Kate's Aggies will be a good barometer.

This is a bit captain obvious, but the first six men on the floor will have to shoot well to compete.  No more hand off to Shawell and watch.  Wins will truly come through a team effort.  I'd be awful impressed if we live up to our preseason billing (although that vote was collected without complete roster knowledge).
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on December 03, 2008, 10:09:17 PM
Well, Desales was ripe for the picking tonight, but FDU just couldn't hold on as Desales won 71-67.
FDU led most of the game - until about 3:00 left.. Foul trouble and turnovers did the Devils in...
Good game tonight in Madison!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on December 04, 2008, 11:08:39 AM
Bill,
Never gets old seeing the icon of the great Sir Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill.  Never.  :)

How far has this message board strayed when no one so much as mentioned Wilkes vs Kings last night?  Rivalry aside, it is still the 2-time defending champs against the pre-season favorites.

Humble analysis - Wilkes established a 10 point lead early (18-8) and never looked back.  Didn't run away with it, but held a solid 6-10 point lead the entire way.  Wilkes has better frontcourt players, and better backcourt players.  Really that simple.  A couple untimely turnovers kept the game within reach.

My fear - Chris DeRojas, seemingly the best player on the floor last night, went down with an ankle injury in the 1st half, but came back shortly thereafter.  If the Colonels are going to be a force this season, CDR is going to have to be a key player.  Hope he's feeling alright.

King's had no answer for Tom Kresge.  The guy is a unique offensive threat, and Wilkes could have just gone to him over and over.  Save that offensive plan for the rematch 8 weeks from now in the educated half of Wilkes-Barre.

An aside to Coach JP - the no-call on the charge / block at midcourt that prompted your reaction and the technical foul... that call was not within the top 100 blown calls in the illustrious Wilkes - King's rivalry.  Not in the top 100.  There was a legit offensive charge called on King's, then the possible missed offensive charge at midcourt on the ensuing Wilkes possession (I was 3rd row behind it, it could have gone either way), then a clear-as-day blocking foul on King's.  No real reason to go nuclear.

In the end, it was pretty much a must-win game for Wilkes, and they did.  Colonel Nation rejoices.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on December 04, 2008, 11:58:18 AM
Wilkes won their conference opener, beating rival King's 80-71.  Wilkes terrific trio, DeRojas, Kresge. and Kline,  continued their fine play,  combining for 61 out of the total team points,  making 19 of the teams 27 FGs.   Kline had nice overall floor game with (19-8-4).  CD was all over the floor and shot lights out, while TK created match up problems for the Monarchs.   Once again, not much production, from the other Colonels.  Gulla had some nice moments but then seemed to disappear.  Wilkes led most of the game, but King's cut the lead to 74-71, with a little over a minute to play in the game.  King's did not score the rest of the way, as CD and SK sealed the deal for the win.   Wilkes bigs out rebounded the young Monarchs and the Colonels had a good night from the foul line.  Next up for Wilkes is Eastern who lost their opener to Manhattanville by the score of 66-36.  (ouch). 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on December 04, 2008, 12:41:57 PM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on December 04, 2008, 11:08:39 AM
In the end, it was pretty much a must-win game for Wilkes, and they did.  Colonel Nation rejoices.

CJ,

A must win in the season opener?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach K on December 04, 2008, 02:09:43 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on December 04, 2008, 12:41:57 PM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on December 04, 2008, 11:08:39 AM
In the end, it was pretty much a must-win game for Wilkes, and they did.  Colonel Nation rejoices.

CJ,

A must win in the season opener?

Sarcasm oozing from me. Is there such a thing as a must-lose game?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on December 05, 2008, 12:16:31 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on December 04, 2008, 12:41:57 PM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on December 04, 2008, 11:08:39 AM
In the end, it was pretty much a must-win game for Wilkes, and they did.  Colonel Nation rejoices.
CJ,
A must win in the season opener?

Y'know, I thought about it as I was typing it, and yeah, I stuck by it.  If King's wins that game, after graduating everyone... If Wilkes loses after returning everyone... simply put, Wilkes would be playing for 2nd.

Don't look now, but Wilkes has now won 5 of the last 7 vs King's:
1-0 this season
1-1 last season
1-1 in '06-'07
Playoff win in '06, and won the 2nd regular season game
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on December 06, 2008, 04:46:02 PM
Great job today by FDU, pulling out a "thriller" over Kings 67-65.....
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on December 08, 2008, 10:58:25 PM
Is FDU now a contender??

Wilkes moves to 2-0 after beating Eastern.  Didn't see the game, just passing along a result.

Is anyone else scared that DeSales is 6-0 (2-0)?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on December 09, 2008, 10:21:39 AM
Eastern hung in there with Wilkes at the Marts Center on Saturday.  It was a close game, right up until the end, when the Colonels went on a run and pulled away at about the 6 minute mark.  The Colonels were once again beasts on the boards and even made their fouls shots in crunch time.  However, too may turnovers kept Easter in the game.  Kline and Kresge registered double doubles and DeRojas continued his torrid shooting.  DeRojas has some stroke and is a long range dead eye and when he is on, it is nothing but net.  Wilkes did get some nice minutes from freshman Kendall Hinze.  It was nice to see some contributions coming from a player other than the Big Three (K,K and DeR).   
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Jon on December 09, 2008, 11:31:58 AM
Alvernia University has accepted an invitation from the MASCAC to move from the Freedom Conference to the Commonwealth Conference.

Full Story (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/news/2008/12/9/GEN_1209080135.aspx?path=gen)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on December 09, 2008, 11:51:06 AM
That might the record for most conference affiliations in a three-year span.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mailsy on December 09, 2008, 12:52:19 PM
What was the reasoning to begin with to put all three of the old PAC teams into one conference?  Were some school admins concerned about the proximity, competition etc. and what changed in a year?  ???
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on December 09, 2008, 03:23:55 PM
Colonel

I don't know if we have a uniform that could fit him, but I think I saw Marlon Brando at practice the other day  :D


We dropped a heartbreaker last night to Hunter...had 24 turnovers and shot poorly from the line...They are a very athletic team, and played William Paterson tough ( 2 point loss) - as well as beat Manhattanville by 10....
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: G-manWU on December 11, 2008, 12:18:55 AM
ColonelJohn,

Trust me, no lack of on my part when Wilkes-King's rolls around. Last week was finals week for my first semester of grad school, and while I was able to shoot down to Wilkes-Barre for the game, I had little time for anything else outside of academia. Good first win for Wilkes, and since then they have picked up another, so all the better. I think based on the early showings from some of the other teams, it may be a very balanced league, so every win will count. I was keeping an eye out for you but obviously missed out, so next time make sure to track me down!

Regarding the Bulldogs, it may be a bit of a suprise seeing them undefeated, but I had a strong feeling going into the season that they would be perhaps better this year than last. For all the very well-deserved attention that Eddie O. and Stricker got, I felt that Lapinski and Braswell were the lifeblood for DeSales, and with those two guys plus the stud transferr, it appears that they will be one of those teams that takes everyone down to the wire....

On a final note, my side gig as a sports correspondent for a local weekly newspaper took me to an opening night showdown of state ranked boys teams between Holy Cross and Abington Heights, played in the new facility at Marywood. I had the chance to catch up with several coaches from around the Freedom and other local programs. Unless I missed something, the Colonels were the only team in the area without anyone checking out the range of talent on display......

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 11, 2008, 10:04:17 AM
Quote from: G-manWU on December 11, 2008, 12:18:55 AM
On a final note, my side gig as a sports correspondent for a local weekly newspaper took me to an opening night showdown of state ranked boys teams between Holy Cross and Abington Heights, played in the new facility at Marywood. I had the chance to catch up with several coaches from around the Freedom and other local programs. Unless I missed something, the Colonels were the only team in the area without anyone checking out the range of talent on display......

G Man,

One player on Abington Heights has a familial connection to one area team. And AH has been a feeder school for Miseri, correct?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: MACfan08 on December 17, 2008, 03:48:06 PM
Well its winter break time and I am sure the kids are about to go home and call it an end to the first part of their season. I see that King's is back to where everyone thought they would be. With 3 losses in a row two of which were at home and all three were league games. Seems like the are close in two of them and could have gone either way with maybe something down the stretch. This is the King's team I expected in that they would give teams a game be close but when it came down to the end they just would not have anyone to go to. They have a game tonight and they are really getting into a must win situation for league games now should be interesting.

For the rest of the league seems like it is going to be a battle all year. There are only at most two easy games on the league scedule in del val and eastern both teams are not really competing and both should be a win for everyone but we all know the stroy of the past and it seems like someone at the top goes into del val and loses in the past it has been wilkes twice. Wilkes looks solid and have a good team and it seems like they will be competing with Desales for the number one seed.  Other then that i feel as if all the teams in the middle are going to be fighting for those 3 last spots. 
   
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: PBR... on December 23, 2008, 02:10:08 PM
Quote from: MACfan08 on December 17, 2008, 03:48:06 PM
Well its winter break time and I am sure the kids are about to go home and call it an end to the first part of their season. I see that King's is back to where everyone thought they would be. With 3 losses in a row two of which were at home and all three were league games. Seems like the are close in two of them and could have gone either way with maybe something down the stretch. This is the King's team I expected in that they would give teams a game be close but when it came down to the end they just would not have anyone to go to. They have a game tonight and they are really getting into a must win situation for league games now should be interesting.

For the rest of the league seems like it is going to be a battle all year. There are only at most two easy games on the league scedule in del val and eastern both teams are not really competing and both should be a win for everyone but we all know the stroy of the past and it seems like someone at the top goes into del val and loses in the past it has been wilkes twice. Wilkes looks solid and have a good team and it seems like they will be competing with Desales for the number one seed.  Other then that i feel as if all the teams in the middle are going to be fighting for those 3 last spots. 
   

pbr is a fan of dvc's new coach and given time he will do good things there. he will make that program a winner over the course of several years w/ some good recruiting classes and players familiarize themselves w/ his systems
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: timeout on January 12, 2009, 02:38:05 PM
Rickroade gets out coached again...can someone please tell me when he will recruit a guard that is taller than 5'2?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on January 14, 2009, 09:47:09 PM
According to "live stats" Del Val beat DeSale's tonight 72 - 70!  Major congrats to the team!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 14, 2009, 11:37:51 PM
U got something against Dustin Hoffman??
Or r u just a big little man?
Quote from: timeout on January 12, 2009, 02:38:05 PM
Rickroade gets out coached again...can someone please tell me when he will recruit a guard that is taller than 5'2?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 15, 2009, 12:09:21 PM
Quote from: kate on January 14, 2009, 09:47:09 PM
According to "live stats" Del Val beat DeSale's tonight 72 - 70!  Major congrats to the team!

Congrats to Aggie Nation (translated: kate, and her immediate family :) ) on the big win.  Brings DeSales "back to the pack" just in time for a certain game, in Wilkes-Barre on Monday.

Wilkes racks up a W last night against Miseri.  I know Jerry loves keeping teams under 60, and the final of 59-53 qualifies.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on January 15, 2009, 12:58:35 PM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on January 15, 2009, 12:09:21 PM
  I know Jerry loves keeping teams under 60, and the final of 59-53 qualifies.

Does it count twice?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: MACfan08 on January 15, 2009, 01:39:44 PM
I  Del Val play over break and i really liked what that team had to offer. they played very hard from start to finish and they had some talent that has not been there in years past. I really think this new coach is going to turn things around for that program he just needs to get kids to stay now for four years and not transfer out. With that win over DeSales i think you could say Del Val is right in the middle of things since they have an advantage with their home court.

With that said it might be fair enough to say that King's chances are very much gone i see they lost to eastern on the road and are now 1-5 in the league just not going to cut it. I also noticed that chase mcgowan is no longer with the team does anyone have any word with why or what happened very unlikely for King's players to leave in the middle of the year normally they get players.  Just very shocked to see that program go from the top where they were to the very bottom in one year.

So now that we got a little feeling about the league what does everyone see happening for the playoffs?? lets hear some thoughts with almost half the league schedule out of the way
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: PBR... on January 16, 2009, 12:40:22 PM
Quote from: MACfan08 on January 15, 2009, 01:39:44 PM
I  Del Val play over break and i really liked what that team had to offer. they played very hard from start to finish and they had some talent that has not been there in years past. I really think this new coach is going to turn things around for that program he just needs to get kids to stay now for four years and not transfer out. With that win over DeSales i think you could say Del Val is right in the middle of things since they have an advantage with their home court.

With that said it might be fair enough to say that King's chances are very much gone i see they lost to eastern on the road and are now 1-5 in the league just not going to cut it. I also noticed that chase mcgowan is no longer with the team does anyone have any word with why or what happened very unlikely for King's players to leave in the middle of the year normally they get players.  Just very shocked to see that program go from the top where they were to the very bottom in one year.

So now that we got a little feeling about the league what does everyone see happening for the playoffs?? lets hear some thoughts with almost half the league schedule out of the way

pbr stated earlier he was a big fan of the new coach and he is already paying dividends for dvc. they are close to a playoff slot w/ a good chunk of the season to go and should only get better as they get solid coaching. well done to dvc on the big win and keep it going
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on January 25, 2009, 12:09:36 PM
So. We are at the halfway point of the year, and this board is kinda quiet. So maybe we throw some questions out to get some talk going. What is the projected order of finish?
Who would earn first half Player of the Year? I know there is no such award, but the league has cycled through and people have had a chance to see almost everyone.
Throw that out there and see if it sticks.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: MACfan08 on January 25, 2009, 08:22:47 PM
Here what i came up with for the playoff race..

1st. Desales
2nd. Manhattanville
3rd. Wilkes
4th. Eastern
5th. Alvernia

** the two PAC schools will battle to get crushed by desales in the first round.

As for players here we go...

1st Team

G- Chris Derojas - wilkes
G- Darnell Braswell- desales
G- Wesley Wicks- manhantanville
F- Tom Kresge- wilkes
F- Kevin Conroy
F- Vinny Baumunk- misericordia

2nd Team

G- James Jones- del val
G- Brian Hunter- desales
G- Jason Reels- eastern
F- Steve Kline- wilkes
F- Ed Lipinski- desales
F- Dom Del Prete- misericordia

Honornable Mention

G- Jason Seipt- del val
G- Trevoy Pointer- mantantanville
G- Kyle Stackhouse- king's
F- Tyrick Tucker- eastern
F- Jeff Amponsah- alvernia
F- Jim Schule- king's

Coach of the first half- Scott Coval
Player of the first half- Darnell Braswell
Rookie of the first half- N/A none deserving could have been McGowan from kings but he left
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on January 25, 2009, 08:36:30 PM
I am not really into making predictions public.  I'll keep those to myself.

But for those interested this PDF should help you in your re-search.  The first installment of the 2008-09 Men's Basketball Playoff Matrix.  It includes everyone's record (overall and conference), remaining schedule, conference standing, and record vs. each conference opponent so far.

Enjoy.

http://athletics.desales.edu/custompages/mbball/2008-09/MHoopsMatrix.pdf (http://athletics.desales.edu/custompages/mbball/2008-09/MHoopsMatrix.pdf)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on January 25, 2009, 09:14:58 PM
Thanks BJ.

MAC Fan- Thanks for jumping in. Not sure how you can put Tucker in your top 15 and say no Rookie of the 1st half. Didn't see McGowan, but Tucker has certainly been a difference maker for a team that was not picked in the top 5 in the league.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on January 26, 2009, 09:49:07 AM
Mac fan:  One glaring omission from your picks is Ryan McPherson from FDU averaging 18.6 a game.  Some good looking rookies include Katz from FDU, Williams and Mayo from DelVal, Zanneo from DeSales and Tucker from Eastern.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: MACfan08 on January 26, 2009, 05:17:11 PM
oh yes how could i forget one of the classest, nicest, hardworking kids in the league who deserves just to be on a good team.. yes ryan is top 5 that slides a couple guys down and take stackhouse off the list... its just tough looking at stats i was going by what i saw not really looking at year wise i took the best 15 players no matter if they are a sr or a jr
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 26, 2009, 11:23:19 PM
Since it is that time of the year:

The Freedom League First Half Oscars:


Best Picture:              DeSales in a landslide------Poised, patient, well drilled, talented,deep and selfless. No Kings to navigate this year.

Best Director:            Coval---------------------------Pushing all the right buttons.

Best Costumes:         Del Valley...........................Those green sneaks did it

Supporting Actors      DeSales Bench....................They never to seem to miss a beat

Debut Performance    Andy Katz (FDU)
   with apologies to    James Jones (DEL VAl)
                                  Bob Zanneo  (DeSales)
                                  K. Hinze         (Wilkes) 
                                  Tyrik Tucker   (Eastern)
Best Performances:    Braswell (DeSales)

Best Actor:                  Ryan "Hollywood" McPherson-----------
                                             A complete package of D-I   leg flailing, grunting, groaning, arm waving, head shaking and pleading eyes.
                                             A combination of Reggie Miller, Bill Walton, D-Wade......
                                             Maybe the best sniper in the conference, McPherson puts on the entire show with his million dollar smile.
                                             "Hollywood" enjoys the game and it shows.   

Naismith
                                             
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on January 27, 2009, 09:41:42 AM
Good stuff Naismith.  Entertaining post.

If I was able to give Karma points, I would.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Jon on January 27, 2009, 10:17:28 AM
I dropped a little Karma on naismith for you B since I also enjoyed the post.

I plan on keeping an eye on that debut performance race.  The nomination card is full of meaningful contributors.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on January 27, 2009, 10:53:56 AM
Nice post Naismith.  "Hollywood" is a cool performer.   McPherson has done in King's (twice) and Wilkes (once) so far this season.  He put 33 points on the Colonels at the Marts Center in a terrific display of his game and scored 42 total points in the wins over the Monarchs.  He is fun to watch, and just might carry FDU into the play in game for the last playoff spot,. especially with the way the Colonels are playing.  Wilkes and King's are both on losing streaks as they meet up on Weds at the Marts Center.  Whats up with the Colonels? Lack of chemistry? Dissension? Depth? Two guard spot? Coaching?  Any insight?  Whats your take Naismith?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: timeout on January 27, 2009, 05:49:46 PM
you forgot selfishness - 4 guards = 1 assist - unbelievable!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on January 27, 2009, 08:32:16 PM
Family members sniping on here probably don't help the cause.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: timeout on January 28, 2009, 09:05:20 AM
did u look at their last game stats?  I am not a family member but very close to the program - I call it as i see it
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on January 28, 2009, 09:41:05 AM
Quote from: timeout on January 28, 2009, 09:05:20 AM
did u look at their last game stats?  I am not a family member but very close to the program - I call it as i see it

TO,

Your e-mail address would lead one to believe that you are related to a Wilkes player.

Whether you call it as you see it or not, this is not a good forum to air grievances against the coaching staff or teammates.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 28, 2009, 10:30:12 AM
Happy Wilkes-King's Day, everyone... I'm starting to feel like a Catholic.  I only show up to worship in person twice a year, anymore.  :o 

But seriously, IS the game still on tonight??  Both schools are closed.  I tend to think, if both teams can make it, they'll play the game.  Though, I would like some confirmation before I drive 2 hours, both ways, through elements fit for neither man, nor beast.

BJ - Well done on the '09 Matrix.  If they did actually have a MAC-F All-Star game, they'd select you as one of the two SID's for the game. For your matrix work, I awarded you the "Michael Jordan" karma point.  16 game season, 4 spots for 9 teams - looks like the NFL mantra of "10-6 gets you in" should apply.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on January 28, 2009, 10:38:39 AM
CJ,

With nine teams, the Freedom playoffs include five teams.

#5 plays #4 to advance to #1.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on January 28, 2009, 11:50:49 AM
If anyone's interested:

Tonight's FDU/Eastern game @ FDU has been postponed to tomorrow(weather). The games will be at 6&8....
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 28, 2009, 12:00:09 PM
CJ,
Go shovel the sidewalk


Wilkes-Kings postponed until thurs.

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 28, 2009, 12:05:55 PM
TO,

All Cowboys are welcome here.
How is your new Reality gig going? 
Any Freedom League grid stars apply?

Anyway, I have no idea what you are referring to in your post.

Naismith
Quote from: timeout on January 28, 2009, 09:05:20 AM
did u look at their last game stats?  I am not a family member but very close to the program - I call it as i see it
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 28, 2009, 12:47:02 PM
LJK,

Thought you might be able to answer that question??

Looking at the Colonels, they were essentially a .500 team in 07-08. They added some nice freshman in Huch, Hinze and Donatoni plus had nearly everyone back.
With the conference graduating a lot of key seniors, I think the expectations might have been a bit too high.

Defensively, I think the team is playing well. They have mixed the man to man, zones and pressure.
Quicker teams give them trouble at times (both rebounding and penetration)---but, overall, they have been improving
in this facet of the game.

Offensively, Wilkes has size and depth. Although they appear to have ample shooting and teriffic post players, the unit has not jelled.  Decisionmaking, lack of movement, hesitation, sloppiness..............
Doesn't seem to be any 1 thing but it seems to be Everything.
Very few easy baskets and too many difficult shots...that is what I see out there. Shooting droughts and frustration are the results.

Just my feeling....but I think the players just need to be more instinctive, take what the defense gives and execute.
Easy for me to say as an observer.

The entire conference seems to be quite balanced. To answer some of your specific questions, I do not think Wilkes lacks depth. I know of no dissension among players. Coach JR's record speaks for itself.  Guard play has been fine. DeRojas is a scorer. Gulla defends, rebounds and handles the ball well.   Ruby plays with determination off the bench and can shoot better than he has shown to date. Donatoni is a sparkplug and his game is getting better. So, no, it is not the guards.

We will know more about the Colonels by Super Bowl Sunday.
They need a couple of W's and, despite their record, Kings will be a big test on Thurs.
I took in the FDU game and, had they not butchered some easy layups, the Monarchs would have prevailed. I fully expect JP will have his team 'ready' on Thursday. A very very live underdog.

Naismith   
uote author=ljk link=topic=3709.msg1022613#msg1022613 date=1233071636]
Nice post Naismith.  "Hollywood" is a cool performer.   McPherson has done in King's (twice) and Wilkes (once) so far this season.  He put 33 points on the Colonels at the Marts Center in a terrific display of his game and scored 42 total points in the wins over the Monarchs.  He is fun to watch, and just might carry FDU into the play in game for the last playoff spot,. especially with the way the Colonels are playing.  Wilkes and King's are both on losing streaks as they meet up on Weds at the Marts Center.  Whats up with the Colonels? Lack of chemistry? Dissension? Depth? Two guard spot? Coaching?  Any insight?  Whats your take Naismith?
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Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on January 28, 2009, 12:49:57 PM
Quote from: naismith on January 28, 2009, 12:05:55 PM
TO,
Anyway, I have no idea what you are referring to in your post.

Naismith



Quote from: timeout on January 27, 2009, 05:49:46 PM
you forgot selfishness - 4 guards = 1 assist - unbelievable!

Quote from: lefty2 on January 27, 2009, 08:32:16 PM
Family members sniping on here probably don't help the cause.

Quote from: timeout on January 28, 2009, 09:05:20 AM
did u look at their last game stats?  I am not a family member but very close to the program - I call it as i see it

Nais,

You have to read all of the posts if you want follow along.

TO's post was a reply to mine which was a reply to his/hers which may originally have been a reply to yours.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on January 28, 2009, 08:52:34 PM
CJ4Life...thanks for the "Michael Jordan" karma point.  Not sure what the difference is between an MJ karma point and a normal one...but I was a HUGE Jordan fan growing up as a kid, so I'll take anything associated with him.

Speaking of MJ...only a few days left for me to submit six words to the US Open committee in charge of finding a mid-handicapper to play Bethpage Black the Tuesday before the Open to try and break 100 as Tiger had suggessted no one could do.  This year Jordan has been confirmed as the first celebrity to join the group.

So as an avid golfer, being considered as the mid-handicapper, I'd be more than thrilled to not only play Bethpage and hopefully break 100 on national TV, but also to spend 4+ hours with my childhood idol.

So I am taking all suggesstions over the next few days on the SIX words I should submit.

Something like - "Bethpage. Under 100. Bring it on" - I need help.

As for the matrix glad you enjoyed it.  I'll continue posting weekly so you get updates.  Semi-upset the other night when Misericorida beat Eastern (at Eastern) to get themselves back in the playoff race and forge a three-way tie for the 3-4-5 spots between The Vern, Wilkes and Eastern.

Oh as mentioned earlier...we are taking 5 teams to the playoffs this year.  So the dance floor will be slightly larger this year since we have 9 schools as opposed to 8 in all the other years.

OK back to ESPN for me.  DOOK losing, Nova trying to pull the upset over Pitt., and Cuse losing.  So far so good on a night when I was supposed to be in Purchase, NY.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on January 28, 2009, 08:58:41 PM
CJ4Life...I just got the MJ karma point.

Good stuff.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ronk on January 29, 2009, 12:35:06 AM
BJ - DSU SID,
   Good luck with your US Open entry; enjoyed last year's show with Tony Romo and Justin Timberlake. Have a friend who's played the course and probably would caddy for you, if you need one.
   Suggestion:  from Bethpage to Saucon(Center) Valley. You can be the advertisement connection with the open at Saucon Valley(SR. men's?).
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 29, 2009, 10:06:17 AM
Quote from: BJ - DSU SID on January 28, 2009, 08:52:34 PM
So I am taking all suggesstions over the next few days on the SIX words I should submit.

Something like - "Bethpage. Under 100. Bring it on" - I need help.

OK back to ESPN for me.  DOOK losing, Nova trying to pull the upset over Pitt., and Cuse losing.  So far so good on a night when I was supposed to be in Purchase, NY.

1. "Bethpage: 99 is the new 72."

2. Duke loses, and Carolina wins on a last-second, ERRR, last-tenth-of-a-second 3-pointer. Life is good.

3. Nais - sidewalk is shoveled (shovelled?).  Though, I appreciate the update, I heard it first on the new GoWilkesU.com (Pay me for THAT plug!)

4. I'm listed as "doubtful" for tonight's game.  I'm off work today, but I work from 8AM to 9PM tomorrow (2 hours away from W-B).  8PM game, leave town at 10 PM, home for midnight, asleep by 1AM, up at 6AM??  Aye... doubtful.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on January 29, 2009, 11:18:54 AM
CJ4Life - Excellent suggesstion...I'll put those 6 words into my top 5 for submission.

Ronk - If I get picked I have a caddy.  SID at Alvernia (Jon) will be accompanying me to make sure I don't do anything stupid on my way to shooting 99.  But thanks for the offer.

Enjoy the postponed games tonight everyone.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on January 31, 2009, 09:47:41 PM
Crazy day today. DelVal over Wilkes, Misericordia over the Vern, and EU wallops Manhattanville-- game was 23 points with 4 minutes left. DeSales was the only 'favorite' to avoid upset.
The EU-Manhattanville score was a really interesting considering the 30 point M-ville win in the opener between the two teams and that both teams seemed to be going opposite directions going in. Manhattanville was coming off a big win over DeSales, and Eastern had dropped two straight including a dud at FDU on Thursday.
I'm intrigued to see the matrix on Monday.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on January 31, 2009, 11:37:50 PM
No need to wait till Monday...Here it is on Saturday.

Updated Matrix.

http://athletics.desales.edu/custompages/mbball/2008-09/MHoopsMatrix.pdf (http://athletics.desales.edu/custompages/mbball/2008-09/MHoopsMatrix.pdf)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 01, 2009, 08:13:02 AM
Wow-- Not nearly as muddled as the Commonwealth, but there is still no clear direction on who the five teams will be.

My hope is that the extra karma point gives you a leg up to get to Bethpage, or at least the confidence to sink some putts.  ;)

Thanks
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 01, 2009, 10:57:38 AM
Chairman,

Speaking of Karma - ouch!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 01, 2009, 07:10:10 PM
not really sure about that. I think I have a hater... I feel like I'm a nice enough guy. If it means anything, I've been pretty stagnant for a year....
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 01, 2009, 10:27:10 PM
If (-16) is just one hater...he's a mean dude.

As for my putting, that is something I can do.  It's getting to the green that is where I need improvement.

Once there, I am in good hands with my Crazeeeeee.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 01, 2009, 11:18:21 PM
not really sure what happened on the whole karma thing, but I'm trying not to worry about it too much. In the room formerly known as the PAC Chat room, I took some pretty brutal hits.

I was trying to go through the playoff scenarios, and I think the next six days will clarify many things. I thought putting would be the least of my concerns on the golf course, but after seeing the greens at Oakmont for the Open, I believe that there were several that I would have four putted (or maybe worse). I don't know too much about Bethpage Black, but if it is at all like Oakmont was for the Open, there will be some obscene pin placements.

Enjoy the week.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 02, 2009, 09:31:24 AM
Since this has turned into the Freedom golf room, just think of your (-16) in relation to par. :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 02, 2009, 04:54:41 PM
Seriously-- I was close to that one time, but the windmill hole killed me.

I was trying to go through and quantify home- court advantage. I know EU in 5-1 at home and 1-4 on the road, but some of that has to do with time of year and maturity as well. They started with three tough road games, and they really looked like the young team that they are early on. The 45 point swing between the tow EU-Manhattanville games was amongst the stranger things I've seen. My assessment is that a number of factors contribute to a huge home court advantage for M-ville.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 04, 2009, 02:02:06 PM
Just a few notes going forward:

Delaware Valley nosily (not quietly) creeping into the conference playoff race. Making a statement with a big win over DeSales and 2 recent W's. The Wilkes (on the road) win may prove pivotal.
Saw the game and the Aggies are talented. Quickness and speed to spare. They recover quickly on defense and are tenacious. James Jones has risen to the head of the Rookie class. He may very well be the best individual talent in the conference (plenty of debate there I am sure). He can stick the jumper, penetrate and score inside. A complete offensive package.

Plenty of help from Seipt who has improved each year he has played.
Mayo can rebound and score....very physical for his size.
Williams has serious ups and plays much taller then listed height.

Add in a bench of contributors who shoot pretty well and are active......
I see a lot of freshman and sophomores on this roster......
A program that is totally turning around.
Excellent coaching

A potential conference finalist.

As to the rest, I am watching it all sort itself out. Appears the top 2 are pretty secure. Kings is much better than the 1-9 but they are a 2010 story at this point. The other 6 vie for 3 spots.
Today and Sat may make for some clarity or simply cloud things further.

I'll be taking in a local game---Kings-Miseri on North Main St.  Maybe Senunas for some chile or that great homemade chicken noodle.

Naismith


Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 05, 2009, 01:40:16 AM
DeSales is in the playoffs. It is too late to do mathematical elimination problems, but with four teams with seven losses or more, I think M-ville is all but in. Big win for the Eagles tonight at Alvernia.
Nais- Jones is listed as a sophomore on the DeSales website. Is he in his first year of college ball? Is he eligible for ROY?
I have not seen the Aggies play, but they seem to be hot right now.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 05, 2009, 08:41:11 AM
As listed by the Del Val media guide, James Jones is a transfer from Widener.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 05, 2009, 11:03:57 AM
Thanks. As I said, I have not seen Del Val play, but I have heard that they are a very talented young group. I was a little surprises that I had not heard Jones' name in the ROY conversation until last night, now I know there is a good reason why he has not been in that discussion.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: PBR... on February 05, 2009, 12:16:36 PM
Quote from: naismith on February 04, 2009, 02:02:06 PM
Just a few notes going forward:

Delaware Valley nosily (not quietly) creeping into the conference playoff race. Making a statement with a big win over DeSales and 2 recent W's. The Wilkes (on the road) win may prove pivotal.
Saw the game and the Aggies are talented. Quickness and speed to spare. They recover quickly on defense and are tenacious. James Jones has risen to the head of the Rookie class. He may very well be the best individual talent in the conference (plenty of debate there I am sure). He can stick the jumper, penetrate and score inside. A complete offensive package.

Plenty of help from Seipt who has improved each year he has played.
Mayo can rebound and score....very physical for his size.
Williams has serious ups and plays much taller then listed height.

Add in a bench of contributors who shoot pretty well and are active......
I see a lot of freshman and sophomores on this roster......
A program that is totally turning around.
Excellent coaching

A potential conference finalist.

As to the rest, I am watching it all sort itself out. Appears the top 2 are pretty secure. Kings is much better than the 1-9 but they are a 2010 story at this point. The other 6 vie for 3 spots.
Today and Sat may make for some clarity or simply cloud things further.

I'll be taking in a local game---Kings-Miseri on North Main St.  Maybe Senunas for some chile or that great homemade chicken noodle.

Naismith




dvc's new head coach deserves a ton of credit. he is young and energetic and an excellent coach. took awhile for the players to get comfortable in his system but they are improving each game. dvc should only get stronger as the season wears on, am really looking forward to see how this team finishes and the future.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: MR. PAC on February 05, 2009, 09:50:38 PM
What is the tiebreaker. Is it right that the head to head results against common non conference opponents, comes before how you did against the conference starting with 1,2,3 etc.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ronk on February 05, 2009, 10:29:41 PM
   I think it's head-head between conference(not nonconference) opponents in nonconference games as in a holiday tournament or if u felt like scheduling a 3rd game.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 05, 2009, 10:58:43 PM
I steal BJ's matrix link to give you tie breakers. Non-conference comes only after all the in league options (with the exception of point differential scenarios) are exhausted. Ronk is correct. That third tie-breaker is really a strange one in that it hardly ever comes into play, but I guess it makes sense to keep it there because it is a head to head scenario, which is a better tie-breaker than league top down and non-league common site and all those. But it really just hardly ever happens.

http://athletics.desales.edu/custompages/mbball/2008-09/MHoopsMatrix.pdf

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 05, 2009, 11:09:55 PM
Mr. PAC - welcome to the Freedom (MAC).

I'll save you the trouble of clicking on the matrix and paste the tiebreakers here for you.

Tiebreakers: Consult www.mascac.org for rules on breaking ties using these guidelines
1 - Head-to-Head results between and among the tied teams in Conference games.
2 - Head-to-Head results between and among the tied teams in non-conference games.
3 - Tied teams' won-loss records vs. conference teams in conference games starting with #1, #2, etc.
4 - Winning percentage in away conference games
5 - Head-to-Head results against common non-conference opponents, same site
6 - Head-to-Head results against common non-conference opponents, different sites.
7 - Score differential between and among tied teams with a maximum of 15 points for winning team
8 - Tied teams' point differential in conference games starting with #1, #2, etc, (15 points maximum)

As the Chairman pointed out...#2 rarely happens.  In fact I've never seen it happen. 

Speaking of the chairman...Mr. PAC makes your karma look really, really, really good.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 05, 2009, 11:27:20 PM
I'm telling you. there are some real haters in that room.  ;)

Seriously though. I was trying to figure out magic numbers and my head just about exploded. What I can say with certainty is that nine wins puts a team in the playoffs. I think the five seed will be 8-8, but that is just conjecture. With three home games and five to play, I think the Valiants are strong favorite for a top two spot. They would have to have the wheels come off a bit and even then, I don't know that anyone can catch them. Even if they go 2-3, one of the six loss teams would have to win out or Eastern would have to go 3-1 (with a win over DeSales).

Saturday will either lend a lot of clarity or it will assure that no one will know anything until the final day of the year.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ronk on February 05, 2009, 11:31:32 PM
   What strange thing that almost happened within the last 10 years was that going into the final week of the season a 5-way tie for 1st place @ 9-5 was possible; this would have meant that the number 5 team(after the 7th or 8th tiebreaker) would be eliminated from being in the conference tournament and losing out for competing for the NCAA AQ. It didn't happen that way, but almost.
   So keep that tiebreaker handy.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 05, 2009, 11:32:59 PM
Look at the Commonwealth. Yikes.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 05, 2009, 11:40:32 PM
My mistake on James Jones.
A Super Soph  indeed and a Player of the Year candidate

Kings dismantled Miseri last nite.  The Monarchs shot the ball extremely well taking big advantage of the Cougar zone D.
Conroy continues to impress as does Vinny B for the Miz.

Kings can really shoot from the perimeter and have a powerful post player in Conroy.
Last night, they 'finished' the game which was an early season problem.

Wouldn't take them lightly if I was an opponent. JP has this team playing hard.

Checked the Wilkes-Desales recap and box----------Good thing the Colonels don't drag race.  0-14 in 10 minutes!   Where's Joe Amato when you need him??   
The Colonel "O" needs an overhaul. Maybe they should go to Pep Boys and recharge the batteries. If it takes a new trannie and spark plugs so be it.  Then, over to Jiffy Lube for some new filters and an oil change.............A little wax and polish at the Car Wash....then fiiler up with some Hi-Test.

Hopefully, this will stop the hesitation, help them shift gears more smoothly, increase acceleration and have them hitting on all cylinders.

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mailsy on February 05, 2009, 11:41:12 PM
Quote from: chairman on February 05, 2009, 11:27:20 PM
I'm telling you. there are some real haters in that room.  ;)

Seriously though. I was trying to figure out magic numbers and my head just about exploded. What I can say with certainty is that nine wins puts a team in the playoffs. I think the five seed will be 8-8, but that is just conjecture. With three home games and five to play, I think the Valiants are strong favorite for a top two spot. They would have to have the wheels come off a bit and even then, I don't know that anyone can catch them. Even if they go 2-3, one of the six loss teams would have to win out or Eastern would have to go 3-1 (with a win over DeSales).

Saturday will either lend a lot of clarity or it will assure that no one will know anything until the final day of the year.

Chairman since it's no longer the PAC, the CSAC board is a little "nicer".  Mainly because most of the people on that board don't have the requisite posts to even give or take karma.   ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chizwiz on February 06, 2009, 09:55:22 PM
Hello everyone.  I've enjoyed reading the Freedom forum pages.

I'm interested in some more discussion on ROY's in the conference.  Here are some guys I think should get some attention:
FDU - Katz
DelVal - Mayo, Williams
Kings - Stackhouse
EU - Tucker, Soaries

And, I think Tucker leads this list with probably nobody coming close.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mid-range j on February 07, 2009, 06:59:33 PM
Trevoy Pointer.  Look it up.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 07, 2009, 11:06:10 PM
Updated Matrix...cause I know the chairman is waiting for it.

Enjoy the early spring weather rolling in this week.

http://athletics.desales.edu/custompages/mbball/2008-09/mHoopsMatrix.pdf (http://athletics.desales.edu/custompages/mbball/2008-09/mHoopsMatrix.pdf)

One note...I kind of think Manhattanville clinched a playoff spot along with DeSales, but there are so many possible scenarios still alive, that I just thought it better to be safe and be sure they clinch before I place that coveted "X" next to their name.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 07, 2009, 11:25:56 PM
Mid Range-- Help me. I did, and all I got was an opportunity to buy an 8x10 of a guy wearing a Manhattanville jersey for $22.50. Am I using the wrong search engine?
Your first post is really understated. I kind of like it. It's like a Mondrian. It's got simple lines, clean colors, and no one knows what it means. Welcome to the board. I'm thinking you are probably a Manhattanville fan, which is really cool. Maybe you can share a little more about the game today. I think everyone knows Manhattanville is tough to beat in Purchase, but I don't think anyone saw that coming. Del Val was the darling of the board, and that didn't look close.

BJ- Thanks for the update. I was going through scenarios trying to figure out a way that Eastern is out-- we sat still on the NE Extension for two and a half hours on the way back tonight-- and I can't figure out how it could happen, but I agree with you that as long as there is the potential for a four way tie, the Eagles cannot rest with eight wins.

Monday night is a huge non-conference game for Eastern at Cabrini. The two neighboring schools are no longer conference rivals, so they will battle in a single game every year for a perpetual trophy and Eagle Road bragging rights. Cabrini is 15-5.

Good Night all.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mid-range j on February 08, 2009, 12:42:52 PM
chairman -- just didn't want a kid who is probably an all conference canidate let alone rookie of the year canidate to go unnoticed..Trevoy Pointer should be mentioned when there is rookie of the year chatter..thats all!  :)

mville played well yesterday..they jumped out quick against the aggies and never looked back...kennedy IS a tough place to play, wouldnt want to play a playoff game there if i was an opposing team!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chizwiz on February 08, 2009, 08:51:37 PM
Quote from: mid-range j on February 07, 2009, 06:59:33 PM
Trevoy Pointer.  Look it up.

Mid-Range,

I haven't had the opportunity to see Trevoy.  Just from looking at his stats, it seems like he can score, gets quality minutes and pays attention to the boards.  Although I wonder about his Asst/TO ratio, I think there are some other on the list I put up for ROY that have similar problems, which is more common for young college players.  What's up with his 3pt shooting?  6 of 30!  Just off this year or maybe taking bad shots?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 08, 2009, 09:48:44 PM
MRJ,

It doesn't make sense to campaign for all-conference here.  I don't know of any posters who get a vote.  Maybe a few lurkers.

p.s.  You're not Trevoy, are you?

Chairman,

It looks like Mr. Wiz has topped you in the karma (or lack thereof) department.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 08, 2009, 10:31:03 PM
Mid-Range- No troubles about touting your guy. It won't get him any awards, but the question was asked, and you just answered without any context at all. It looks like pointer is off to a good start to his college career. I'm sure that he will get some consideration for ROY. It should be an interesting process. Eastern will have to pick one of their two to nominate. Tucker and Soaries have both had big games, but I think Tucker has been a little more consistent.  Soaries had a great week this week.The final three league games should go a ways in setting some things straight.

Would love to hear an observers view of the Del Val M'ville game from Saturday.

The kinder-gentler poster in me will not get involved in discussions about karma points.

Battle of Eagle Road on Monday night. Should be good.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 09, 2009, 12:16:59 PM
Quote from: chizwiz on February 06, 2009, 09:55:22 PM
Hello everyone.  I've enjoyed reading the Freedom forum pages.

I'm interested in some more discussion on ROY's in the conference.  Here are some guys I think should get some attention:
FDU - Katz
DelVal - Mayo, Williams
Kings - Stackhouse
EU - Tucker, Soaries

And, I think Tucker leads this list with probably nobody coming close.

Frosh Foursome:

As the season winds down, the Freedom is full of frosh contributors.
While many are a few strokes behind, the last foursome would appear to be: (no order)
Katz FDU
Williams DELVAL
Soaries EASTERN
Tucker  EASTERN

Having seen all conference teams at least once, it is hard to distinguish between these four.

Here's why:

Katz plays with intensity. Plays strong and hard. (reminds me a bit of Scranton's---remember them  lol----Randy Arnold)
Has a nice handle
Shooting 49% from the field as a guard.  Also, 46% from 3 pt line (46-99)
Add in 19 steals.,,,,,

Mike Williams may the most overlooked Aggie. Playing with a career assist leader Seipt and the James Jones scoring machine (he's so good they already named the gym after him!!), Williams has emerged as a key contributor.    As an undersized big man, Williams 132 caroms leads the team. Add in 24 steals and 22 blocks and MW is a game changer.


Tucker of Eastern is a tall lean high % shooter. He seldom steps outside and drives mostly to his right. Has done a nice job rebounding but doesn't record a whole lot of blocks.

Soaries, with similiar minutes to Tucker,  has twice the steals, steps outside and drains 3 pointers at a 40% plus.
A better handle and nice assist to turnover #'s.
Having only seen Eastern play once, it appears Soaries has become a bit more of a go to player than Tucker.

At this point (still games to play )---I do think ROY will come from this foursome.

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 10, 2009, 07:08:12 AM
Quote from: BJ - DSU SID on February 07, 2009, 11:06:10 PM

http://athletics.desales.edu/custompages/mbball/2008-09/mHoopsMatrix.pdf (http://athletics.desales.edu/custompages/mbball/2008-09/mHoopsMatrix.pdf)

One note...I kind of think Manhattanville clinched a playoff spot along with DeSales, but there are so many possible scenarios still alive, that I just thought it better to be safe and be sure they clinch before I place that coveted "X" next to their name.

C'mon, place the coveted "X"!
They're 4 up with 4 to play on 6th, holding the tie-breaker (head to head, 2-0).
They're 3.5 up with 3.5 to play on 5th, holding the tie-breaker (head-to-head, 2-0).
Haven't they clinched at least 4th?

Don't look now, but if the season ended today, Wilkes would host a playoff game.  Yeah, it's the 4-5 (play-in??) game.  But it'd be the first home playoff game for the Colonels since... March 2001.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 10, 2009, 08:40:30 AM
How the mighty have fallen!  ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 10, 2009, 10:54:08 AM
Sorry CJ...I learned a long time ago to not place the "X" until its super duper clear.  I once told my WSoccer coach they were eliminated from the playoffs with 3 to play...two games later a top seed got upset by a lower seed, we benefited and got into the mix needing a win on the final Saturday to get in.  We went from mathematically eliminated to needing only a win to get in.  I felt like a moron.

So no more "X's" till I am 100% sure.  There is an actual scenario where five teams could still be tied for the 2-5 spots.  Obviously some ginormous upsets would have to happen for this to happen.  But in this conference I don't really consider any team that much better than another.

Heck we play King's on Wednesday and they are in last place right now...but I know we are absolutely going to have our hands completely full to win that game.  King's is too well coached and plays too hard to think your gonna just count that one as a W...we are going to have to come to play tomorrow night.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 10, 2009, 11:22:55 AM
Quote from: BJ - DSU SID on February 10, 2009, 10:54:08 AM
Heck we play King's on Wednesday and they are in last place right now...but I know we are absolutely going to have our hands completely full to win that game.  King's is too well coached and plays too hard to think your gonna just count that one as a W...we are going to have to come to play tomorrow night.

B.J.,

You sound like a coach.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 10, 2009, 11:38:39 AM
Aren't we all coaches in our own mind.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 10, 2009, 12:37:10 PM
Well put, BJ  ;), & Nepafan, you are a one-man force in keeping D3 rivalry alive & well - you Landmine guys are still close enough to be in the NCAA's with All of the rest of us!  :D 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 10, 2009, 04:26:18 PM
Quote from: kate on February 10, 2009, 12:37:10 PM
Well put, BJ  ;), & Nepafan, you are a one-man force in keeping D3 rivalry alive & well - you Landmine guys are still close enough to be in the NCAA's with All of the rest of us!  :D 

Someone has to keep it up!!!.........
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chizwiz on February 11, 2009, 08:47:34 AM
Naismith,

Katz is pretty darn good and I enjoyed watching him play.  He does have an excellent stroke from the arc and a great shooting percentage from there and the field.

You pointed out his steals at 19.  Tucker has 34 and almost half as many TO's than Katz's 75.  Tucker also does something that is way too important to overlook - he shoot FT's at 77%, as compared to Katz's 63%.  While he doesn't shoot the three much, that is probably due more to the fact that it's not where he is needed, as we usually have 2-3 others who can who are on the court with him.  I should note that he does shoot it well, but 3-5 is not enough to prove it.  I do challenge you to find a rookie in the conference who has a better shot from 12-15 feet than Tucker; I would put him in there with anybody in the conference from that distance.  I don't think you can say that he has a low block count.  Also, if you get the chance to watch him play some more, he'll show you that he is just as much a go-to guy as Soaries.

And don't think I don't like Soaries.  I'm still undecided as to which of these two I would pick from the EU team.  You did state some big stats for him.

Again, don't want to downplay Katz.  He is a great player.  If he watches his turnovers next year and works on his FT's, he will be a top player in the conference.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 11, 2009, 09:53:27 PM
I was watching the Live Stats from the good people at GoWilkesU.com - everything cut out at 52-49 Wilkes with 4 seconds left.

We did hang on to beat Manhattanville, right?  If so, HUGE win for the Colonels.

Back to UNC - Duke.  :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wilkes72 on February 11, 2009, 10:41:34 PM
CJ, the score was 54-49
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 11, 2009, 11:49:08 PM
Speaking of FDU's Adam Katz, has anyone else noticed a resemblance to a certain Freedom SID?

http://fdudevils.com/mbasketball/images/2008-09%20Headshots/KATZ,-Adam--01.gif
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 12, 2009, 12:34:02 AM
OH boy... this is messy now. I should have taken the blue pill.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: PBR... on February 12, 2009, 09:33:04 AM
big win for del val over eastern last night to move into a tie for the final playoff slot...great games this weekend dvc vs. kings and alvernia vs. wilkes
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jumpball on February 12, 2009, 10:04:37 AM
agreed this weekends games should be very interesting.  big win for kings last nite v tough and deep desales team.  character builder for 2010 as they have dropped 5-6 games this season just like that one.  if kings gets some big man help for conroy, look out for this bunch next season as they are very young and play hard - just outgunned most nites.  mcgowan all season would have made big difference but.....coulda' woulda' shoulda'
could not understand why desales left their sharpshooters on the bench facing a zone all game - especially when they had early success when they did put their long distance guns in the game in 1st half - played right into kings' hands.  desales is a very good team, but they'd better bring their A game to playoffs or they'll go down as competition in this league is that tight.  braswell terrific raw skills but has a lot of trouble finishing plays at the glass and from the line.  desales still the pick, but it'll be dicey.  i think eastern and dval could each give them problems early before the manhatanville matchup     
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 12, 2009, 01:27:59 PM
Quote from: jumpball on February 12, 2009, 10:04:37 AM
braswell terrific raw skills but has a lot of trouble finishing plays at the glass and from the line.     

Mr. Stackhouse...tough to judge a kid on the two games you've seen him play (assuming you were at our place for the first match-up).  Not too many players I'd pick over Braswell to take a final shot and I am pretty sure King's felt the same way seeing as they double/triple teamed him with 7 seconds left and played box-and-one (or something to that effect) on him for portions of last night's game.

With that being said...terrific effort displayed by King's last night.  Not too many last place teams (in fact probably none) that give that kind of effort this late in the season.  Credit to the head coach.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jumpball on February 12, 2009, 03:01:12 PM
don't misread me - he's an excellent player, only saying that once he finishes his initial hard work he'll be that much better.  yes, I was there to see the first encounter, and he had essentially the same game - except he converted his free throws then.  He is as athletic as anyone, and gets his own shot whenever/wherever he wants.  he's a real handful for sure, just will be even more of a load once he finishes those drives to the hoop - I doubt you'll disagree with that.  ...and yes, kings did box/one him the second half at times to show the level of respect he commands, thats true.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: MACfan08 on February 12, 2009, 04:20:00 PM
I was in the house for the King's vs. DeSales game and mad what a game it was. DeSales played a decent first half missing two foul shot attempts they got that half and yes i would agree they played right into Andrejko's hands. They just moved the ball around the outside until about 10 seconds on the shot clock and then either forced a three or took a bad off balance shot driving to the basket. Also, DeSales could not really make an outside shot in the second half but i think all of this credit goes to King's and their coaching staff.

There is no other team in the league that i see being 2-10 and playing the way they do. They take a playoff team in alvernia to the wire, they take a team in wilkes right down to the end, the beat miseri and pretty much ended their hopes, they took a FDU team right down to the wire all in the second half of the year. I can say this much if i was Del Val or Eastern i would not want to see them on my schedule right now especially Eastern because they have to travel to King's and who knows what the playoff positions will look like then. I give all the credit in the world the the big guy that runs that **** though and that is Andrejko he will just not let his kids fold and he is already making a statement for next year and getting these kids to realize they can compete.

On another note to all DeSales fans arent you glad King's isn't in the playoffs?? Because i tell you what they just have your number. Year in and year out they come up with a way to beat you guys in an important part of the year. I think Coval got out coached like he has in many situations against Andrejko and i think it is a trent to get use to. Desales walked out of that gym on Main Street with one thing in their mind and that was thank God we do not have to come back here or see that team again because we all know what has happened the past three times they faced off in the playoffs.

So with that said looks like we are going to have a good final two weeks and a lot could be determined this saturday. With an Alvernia win over wilkes and a del val win over kigns looks like the boys down on south river street are fighting for their lives. My predictions...

#1 seed: Manhattanville
#2 seed: DeSales
#3 seed: Eastern
#4 seed: Del Val
#5 seed: Wilkes

Playin: Wilkes loses to Del Val on the road

1st Round: DeSales beats Del Val, Manhattanville beats Eastern

Championship: DeSales watches another team cut the nets down and prays the selection people like them. If not off to the ECAC's for the bulldogs.   
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Jon on February 12, 2009, 04:50:20 PM
I hate to do this to ya MACfan08, but I'm gonna have to level off that Karma for you referring to Alvernia as a playoff team and then leaving the Crusaders on the outside for your postseason prediction.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 12, 2009, 05:21:48 PM
Quote from: MACfan08 on February 12, 2009, 04:20:00 PM
I was in the house for the King's vs. DeSales game and mad what a game it was. DeSales played a decent first half missing two foul shot attempts they got that half and yes i would agree they played right into Andrejko's hands. They just moved the ball around the outside until about 10 seconds on the shot clock and then either forced a three or took a bad off balance shot driving to the basket. Also, DeSales could not really make an outside shot in the second half but i think all of this credit goes to King's and their coaching staff.

There is no other team in the league that i see being 2-10 and playing the way they do. They take a playoff team in alvernia to the wire, they take a team in wilkes right down to the end, the beat miseri and pretty much ended their hopes, they took a FDU team right down to the wire all in the second half of the year. I can say this much if i was Del Val or Eastern i would not want to see them on my schedule right now especially Eastern because they have to travel to King's and who knows what the playoff positions will look like then. I give all the credit in the world the the big guy that runs that **** though and that is Andrejko he will just not let his kids fold and he is already making a statement for next year and getting these kids to realize they can compete.

On another note to all DeSales fans arent you glad King's isn't in the playoffs?? Because i tell you what they just have your number. Year in and year out they come up with a way to beat you guys in an important part of the year. I think Coval got out coached like he has in many situations against Andrejko and i think it is a trent to get use to. Desales walked out of that gym on Main Street with one thing in their mind and that was thank God we do not have to come back here or see that team again because we all know what has happened the past three times they faced off in the playoffs.

So with that said looks like we are going to have a good final two weeks and a lot could be determined this saturday. With an Alvernia win over wilkes and a del val win over kigns looks like the boys down on south river street are fighting for their lives. My predictions...

#1 seed: Manhattanville
#2 seed: DeSales
#3 seed: Eastern
#4 seed: Del Val
#5 seed: Wilkes

Playin: Wilkes loses to Del Val on the road

1st Round: DeSales beats Del Val, Manhattanville beats Eastern

Championship: DeSales watches another team cut the nets down and prays the selection people like them. If not off to the ECAC's for the bulldogs.   

MACfan08...you should have come sat with me in the press box.  We could have exchanged opinions during the game.

Agreed...it was a terrific game.  Too bad the ball did not bounce our way or it would have been a better game in my eyes...none the less it was a good game to watch.

I am gonna have to disagree and defend another of your points however.  I have a lot of respect for the King's HEAD coach.  He seems to be a very knowledgable person about the game of basketball and he is a very personable person off the court.  I don't have a negative thing to say about him.

But for you to kill the DeSales coach and say he got out-coached (like he has many other times) is just blindly ignorant.  Here is the bottom line from the game last night from my view.  King's made shots, DeSales did not.  Maybe the King's defense had something to do with it, but to be honest...the Bulldogs had a lot of shots (three-point or otherwise) that were uncontested and they just did not go in.  King's hit a few shots that were either off-balance or long (and clanked off the backboard and in) that left me shaking my head.  It just did not look like it was going to be our night.

We also shot 7-for-15 from the free throw line and missed one late that would have given us a lead with under a minute left.  Pretty sure that's a shot that the King's defense had nothing to do with.

Both teams gave great effort, both teams played with some real emotion and guts, both teams even hit big shots...but in the end King's hit a few more.

It's unfair in my mind to say one coach outcoached another.  Both coaches made adjustments that worked in last night's game (I won't go into what they were).

As far as are the DeSales fans glad King's is not in the playoffs.  That's just a ridiculous statement, that I will leave untouched.

And for the record I walked out of the gym last night wondering what the Duke/UNC score was?  Not what you thought I was thinking.

Here's to hoping your predictions are dead wrong.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jumpball on February 12, 2009, 08:48:29 PM
i've always believed that players pretty much win the games, with some help from coaches, usually marginal.  don't know that desales was out-coached and i don't know anything about prior history.  i was just surprised his 3point shooters didn't play more, that's all - they have depth on that team that the rest of the league envies.  He DID zone kings in the 2nd half, which slowed them down some too, so he also made some good moves   hey, DeSales IS 18-4 and Kings is 11-11 so he's doing something right, and that team is high quality, without doubt.  And as much as we want to credit Kings for last nite, they HAVE lost a mess of those games this season, youth or not.  the SID is  sensitive to criticism of his squad, understandably, and took my earlier comments in a direction that wasn't intended, too.  I still think desales will win out but they'll have to earn it as this league has good players up and down each roster, and i think some talent on the sidelines as well.  but if desales comes to play, as i expect they will, i'd be surprised if anyone topples them - they're that good.  both hunter and braswell defend very well, which will help as all of the contenders have strong guard play, and desales just brings waves of fresh legs off the bench without much drop-off, and that will give them an advantage 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chizwiz on February 12, 2009, 09:54:43 PM
Quote from: Jon on February 12, 2009, 04:50:20 PM
I hate to do this to ya MACfan08, but I'm gonna have to level off that Karma for you referring to Alvernia as a playoff team and then leaving the Crusaders on the outside for your postseason prediction.

Jon, I did the same.  Not sure where MacFan is coming from.

MacFan, how do you predict a Manhattanville win over EU?  Who won the last game between the two?

Also, I had to use a decoder ring to understand what you wrote.  Please do a little more editing next time.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Jon on February 12, 2009, 09:58:56 PM
I'd like to see people of the league petition for the next Eastern/Manhattanville game (if it occurs) to be played at a neutral site.  If the regular season games are any indication, home court means just way too much to both teams.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 12, 2009, 10:06:01 PM
Florham.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Jon on February 12, 2009, 10:12:42 PM
Makes sense to me...at the current pace at least the facility will be available.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 12, 2009, 10:18:40 PM
Quote from: Jon on February 12, 2009, 09:58:56 PM
I'd like to see people of the league petition for the next Eastern/Manhattanville game (if it occurs) to be played at a neutral site.  If the regular season games are any indication, home court means just way too much to both teams.

Are you offering the PEC?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 12, 2009, 10:36:41 PM
You guys crack me up.  Is there a policy for visiting tickets for playoff games in the Freedom? Based on the current standings I'm going to vote for a neutral site as well, but fifty-100 visiting fans could turn M'ville into a neutral site pretty quickly.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Jon on February 12, 2009, 10:46:30 PM
50-100 fans traveling in either direction would make the home gym neutral.

I'm willing to offer the PEC so long as it's a BYOStaff situation.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 12, 2009, 11:12:51 PM
Man I leave the office, get some dinner, and spend 3 hours painting the house.  After settling in front of the tube for some PGA Tour replay action, the posting up section has blown up.

Jumpball - I probably am a bit sensitive to criticism...but what do you expect.  No one likes to see the team they root for criticized...especially when they are 18-4 and having a terrific season (thus far). 

I don't like the neutral site idea.  You gotta get something for winning the regular season title.  And home court advantage seems to be a nice prize for doing that.

If you are attending a game at MVille or Eastern...get there early or you could be watching it via LIVE stats.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mid-range j on February 13, 2009, 11:52:59 AM
chairman,
you obviously have never been to a mville home court playoff game....lol

jon,
didn't mville give alvernia the business on their home court?  jus wondering, or is it that mville is just good when they play at home?

having a nuetral site it the most ridiculous thing i ever heard of...ok guys lets get out there and bust our butts every game so we could play for a NUETRAL site playoff game. YEAHH!!!! The top seed earns that advantage for their regular season efforts - bottom line.

desales is a great team, and very well coached, i dont know how anyone could think otherwise, their record speaks for itself..
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Jon on February 13, 2009, 12:23:42 PM
mid-range, yes, Mville gave Alvernia the business on the Crusaders' home court, as did Eastern for the first time in 10 years. 

Obviously I'm not seriously going to petition for neutral site playoff games...I was merely pointing to the 45-point swing in the home court wins in the Eastern/Manhattanville series.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 13, 2009, 12:33:01 PM
I was thinking a neutral site would be great for either venue so more than a smattering of fans could have the opportunity to actually see the game. Midrange..if Manhattanville hosts, will the lights be on for a playoff game? 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 13, 2009, 12:37:52 PM
MRJ,

While Jon isn't known for his sense of humor  :D, I think he was kidding about the neutral site.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mid-range j on February 13, 2009, 12:40:57 PM
chairman,

if eastern hosts will there be a lockeroom for mville to get to get changed in? or are they going to have to share with the eastern girls again?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mid-range j on February 13, 2009, 12:41:48 PM
lefty,
lol its all in good fun...

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 13, 2009, 12:54:13 PM
Changing subjects (and getting me 108 posts away from Karma skills).  The matrix update.

Big games tomorrow.  For those wanting the playoff matrix handy for after the games are over.  Here is the updated version heading into Saturday.

I'll do my best to get time and send the update tomorrow night.

http://athletics.desales.edu/custompages/mbball/2008-09/mHoopsMatrix.pdf (http://athletics.desales.edu/custompages/mbball/2008-09/mHoopsMatrix.pdf)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 13, 2009, 12:59:24 PM
There will not be a women's game in St. Davids that day. So your team will have your own locker room complete with showers.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 13, 2009, 12:59:40 PM
Will you be updating at halftime of each game?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mid-range j on February 13, 2009, 01:06:29 PM
Truce?  Can I have my karma point back now? lol
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Jon on February 13, 2009, 01:12:23 PM
Mid-range, nice to have you back in good spirits, but pleading for a karma point...that's in bad taste.

Welcome to the red land of the chairman!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 13, 2009, 01:15:01 PM
Jon,

Have you noticed our friends in the CSAC have been clamoring for their matrix?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Jon on February 13, 2009, 01:17:18 PM
That's funny...I hadn't noticed that.  Who do you recommend I send that to?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 13, 2009, 01:19:18 PM
Bob Macartney?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 13, 2009, 01:33:14 PM
Lefty...no updates at halftime. 

I'll be at Eastern looking looking for the chaiman.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chizwiz on February 14, 2009, 08:51:08 AM
Quote from: MACfan08 on February 12, 2009, 04:20:00 PM
I was in the house for the King's vs. DeSales game and mad what a game it was. DeSales played a decent first half missing two foul shot attempts they got that half and yes i would agree they played right into Andrejko's hands. They just moved the ball around the outside until about 10 seconds on the shot clock and then either forced a three or took a bad off balance shot driving to the basket. Also, DeSales could not really make an outside shot in the second half but i think all of this credit goes to King's and their coaching staff.

There is no other team in the league that i see being 2-10 and playing the way they do. They take a playoff team in alvernia to the wire, they take a team in wilkes right down to the end, the beat miseri and pretty much ended their hopes, they took a FDU team right down to the wire all in the second half of the year. I can say this much if i was Del Val or Eastern i would not want to see them on my schedule right now especially Eastern because they have to travel to King's and who knows what the playoff positions will look like then. I give all the credit in the world the the big guy that runs that **** though and that is Andrejko he will just not let his kids fold and he is already making a statement for next year and getting these kids to realize they can compete.

On another note to all DeSales fans arent you glad King's isn't in the playoffs?? Because i tell you what they just have your number. Year in and year out they come up with a way to beat you guys in an important part of the year. I think Coval got out coached like he has in many situations against Andrejko and i think it is a trent to get use to. Desales walked out of that gym on Main Street with one thing in their mind and that was thank God we do not have to come back here or see that team again because we all know what has happened the past three times they faced off in the playoffs.

So with that said looks like we are going to have a good final two weeks and a lot could be determined this saturday. With an Alvernia win over wilkes and a del val win over kigns looks like the boys down on south river street are fighting for their lives. My predictions...

#1 seed: Manhattanville
#2 seed: DeSales
#3 seed: Eastern
#4 seed: Del Val
#5 seed: Wilkes

Playin: Wilkes loses to Del Val on the road

1st Round: DeSales beats Del Val, Manhattanville beats Eastern

Championship: DeSales watches another team cut the nets down and prays the selection people like them. If not off to the ECAC's for the bulldogs.   

MacFan, seriously, King's has DeSales' number?  Come on!  You guys are 3-10 in conference and in last place.  Don't talk about out-coaching a good coach like the one at DeSales when your coach can either not recruit, not coach his players to win, or both.  So you got lucky once against the current #1 team in the conference.  Here's your badge.  When you have a real season going, then start talking big, until then, have some humility.  Granted, my boys could be in your place next year, but then I won't be talking the way you are.

You talk about how no 2-10 team could be playing as well as yours . . . Well, I took a dump last night and taught that piece of crap to sit up, roll over, and beg, but you don't see me bragging about it, do you?  That's because it's still a piece of crap, and nobody cares about a piece of crap.  Just like nobody cares about King's right now.

Win some games and people will pay attention.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 14, 2009, 09:24:40 AM
That post should do wonders for your karma.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jumpball on February 14, 2009, 11:49:12 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 14, 2009, 09:24:40 AM
That post should do wonders for your karma.


Agreed.  Classy retort.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 14, 2009, 02:06:59 PM
What's the problem with M-ville's home gym?  It looks pretty sweet on Live Stats!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mid-range j on February 14, 2009, 03:13:03 PM
Ehhh, must not look TOO sweeeet!

mville 47 mis 45 in a very ugly game
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Leo The Lion on February 14, 2009, 04:09:33 PM
Quote from: chizwiz on February 14, 2009, 08:51:08 AM

MacFan, seriously, King's has DeSales' number?  Come on!  You guys are 3-10 in conference and in last place.  Don't talk about out-coaching a good coach like the one at DeSales when your coach can either not recruit, not coach his players to win, or both.  So you got lucky once against the current #1 team in the conference.  Here's your badge.  When you have a real season going, then start talking big, until then, have some humility.  Granted, my boys could be in your place next year, but then I won't be talking the way you are.


Congratulations, Chizwiz, you are the dope that got me to break my postin sabbatical.  Let's break down your claim, one at a time.

1.  "MacFan, seriously, King's has DeSales' number?  Come on!"

Well let's see, going in the way back machine we see that King's is 8-4 against DeSales since the 04-05 season.  Not only that, King's defeated DeSales three times in the conference championship game and twice on DeSales home court.  Top that off with the fact that a last place King's team just beat a first place DeSales team.  If King's doesn't own DeSales, they at the least have a long-term lease on them.

2.  "Don't talk about out-coaching a good coach like the one at DeSales"
Now I'm not going to argue who is better Coval vs. JP.  Yes JP has beat Coval repeadetly in the big game, but that's a small sample size.  There both very good coaches.

3. "your coach can either not recruit, not coach his players to win, or both."
Now, you've gone of the deep end.  I'll throw away the 2005 Championship team, cause JP didn't recruit Horgan.  But the 07-08 teams, all recruited by him.

4. "When you have a real season going, then start talking big, until then, have some humility."
Yes, King's is down this year, but they have had some suprising wins.  Inexpierience that's what it comes down to, give it time.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 14, 2009, 07:08:21 PM
Oh Chiz... it appears that you might be in error here.
Big win for the Eagles today. we missed you. Seriously though. Which way do ties get broken. If things stay as they are, and there is no guarantee that they will. Mville and DeSales are tied for first and Wilkes and EU tied for third, with both sets of ties being splits.
If DeSales is the winner of the league, EU is third. If Mville is the winner, then EU is fourth because Wilkes beat Mville twice... All very interesting.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Jon on February 14, 2009, 09:31:00 PM
The Matrix has been reloaded and if the playoffs were to begin today the top two are in proper order by virtue of DeSales sweep of Wilkes. 

I believe the next two teams are currently reversed.  If we started today it would go
3. Eastern
4. Wilkes
due to results against DeSales.

The only thing left to decide is who is the last team in.  Del Val controls its own destiny and only needs one win in the last two games to get in since it holds the tie-breaker over Alvernia.  If DVC loses both there is a scenario with a four-way tie at 7-9, but that's got too many twists for me to break down before movie night.

And, of course, none of this information is official until confirmed by the conference office.

Enjoy the official first non-football Sunday.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 14, 2009, 09:41:03 PM
Here is the matrix for those internet challenged and have not saved the previous link

http://athletics.desales.edu/custompages/mbball/2008-09/mHoopsMatrix.pdf (http://athletics.desales.edu/custompages/mbball/2008-09/mHoopsMatrix.pdf)

As for the tiebreakers...they are broken from the top down per the fact book.  In my opinion, its impossible to forecast how they will shake out with so many games yet to play this week.  Hopefully Tuesday's game will clear the clouds.

Non-football Sunday...so your counting the Pro Bowl as an actual game?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Jon on February 14, 2009, 10:01:59 PM
I'm not saying I watch it, but it is an nfl sanctioned event.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chizwiz on February 15, 2009, 12:12:57 AM
Quote from: Leo The Lion on February 14, 2009, 04:09:33 PM
Quote from: chizwiz on February 14, 2009, 08:51:08 AM

MacFan, seriously, King's has DeSales' number?  Come on!  You guys are 3-10 in conference and in last place.  Don't talk about out-coaching a good coach like the one at DeSales when your coach can either not recruit, not coach his players to win, or both.  So you got lucky once against the current #1 team in the conference.  Here's your badge.  When you have a real season going, then start talking big, until then, have some humility.  Granted, my boys could be in your place next year, but then I won't be talking the way you are.


Congratulations, Chizwiz, you are the dope that got me to break my postin sabbatical.  Let's break down your claim, one at a time.

1.  "MacFan, seriously, King's has DeSales' number?  Come on!"

Well let's see, going in the way back machine we see that King's is 8-4 against DeSales since the 04-05 season.  Not only that, King's defeated DeSales three times in the conference championship game and twice on DeSales home court.  Top that off with the fact that a last place King's team just beat a first place DeSales team.  If King's doesn't own DeSales, they at the least have a long-term lease on them.

2.  "Don't talk about out-coaching a good coach like the one at DeSales"
Now I'm not going to argue who is better Coval vs. JP.  Yes JP has beat Coval repeadetly in the big game, but that's a small sample size.  There both very good coaches.

3. "your coach can either not recruit, not coach his players to win, or both."
Now, you've gone of the deep end.  I'll throw away the 2005 Championship team, cause JP didn't recruit Horgan.  But the 07-08 teams, all recruited by him.

4. "When you have a real season going, then start talking big, until then, have some humility."
Yes, King's is down this year, but they have had some suprising wins.  Inexpierience that's what it comes down to, give it time.

Leo, I see your point, but give me a chance to explain.  Using your numbers:

1. Long term you are correct, King's has done very well against DeSales.  I really meant this year, not too concerned with previous years.  True, King's has beaten DeSales this year.

2. I don't think we disagree here.

3. Again, talking about this year.  Obviously, he has done well in the past.  But, again, he is either not recruiting well EVERY year, in order to fill empty spots (barring injuries), or (and I'm being a kinder chizwiz here) he is not getting the most out of his current team.  I mean, come on, 3-11 in conference.  Yet, somehow Andrejko has coached his boys to beat the top team in conference.  Not saying he is a bad coach, just that things aren't going well over there this year.

4.  I don't think we disagree here, either.

I hope King's improves next year, but maybe it would be better for the last place team in the conference to lay off DeSales.  DeSales had a bad game.  I would venture to say that DSU beats King's about 8 or 9 out of 10 times this year.  And, DeSales is in the conference tourney, unlike King's.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: phillyguy on February 15, 2009, 01:05:06 AM
what an electric performance put on by james jones today at del val.  he is the whole package and gets my vote for player of the year this season.  clutch shooting, quick as a cat, decent defender and terrific range.  outstanding job by that young man
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: phillyguy on February 15, 2009, 01:09:58 AM
new to posting - don't understand this karma thing; what the heck is that about? am assuming it is a joke of some kind and/or posts need to be judged by........who?....and why?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: phillyguy on February 15, 2009, 01:39:11 AM
"your coach can either not recruit, not coach his players to win, or both."

chizwiz:  just read this...you've got to be kidding me.  hasn't that team won like, everything for years now?  are they permitted to re-tool for a season or do they have to win 20 every season, like your eastern team has....since .....when? relax, enjoy your season this year, eastern has a nice squad, not necessary to pile on a young team leaning heavily on frosh and who lost their top recruit to the service 12 games in.  they're not only young, they're also short-handed and still battle you to the last second - ask anyone who has played them recently.  they'll learn how to win these games, just need to take their lumps first, like most squads.  Don't understand the karma thing, but I guess that will put me in the negative.  i'm ok with that
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 15, 2009, 01:42:07 AM
Read the FAQ linked at the bottom of my post for more on karma.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 15, 2009, 08:49:22 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 15, 2009, 01:42:07 AM
Read the FAQ linked at the bottom of my post for more on karma.

Pat,
You should know by now that the average myopic MAC Freedom fan bothers not with FAQ's, or the front page, or any other conference.  :o)

As a gesture of goodwill, I'll explain.  Karma is given by registered members to others.  If you like the post you just read, click "applaud" under the poster's name.  If you dislike it, click "smite".

OK, moving along.  Eastern really beat DeSales, eh?  Son of a bitch... Knowing my tiebreakers, I now know that win by Eastern just about locked up the #3 seed.  Wilkes might just have to play at DeSales in a 4 vs. 1 game for, what, the 4th time in like 7 years?? Unreal...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 15, 2009, 08:54:34 AM
EU still has to win at King's.... Despite CW's words, That is anything but a sure thing.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wilkes72 on February 15, 2009, 10:19:14 AM
I've never really been a Kings fan, but for now, GO MONARCHS!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chizwiz on February 15, 2009, 11:08:25 AM
Phillyguy (and everyone else seeing my posts about King's), please understand that it was not my intention at all to diss on King's.  I was just a little surprised by MacFan's negative posting about the coaching of DeSales and etc.  I am not ripping on King's just because.

And Phillyguy, I'm not piling on anyone.  I'll stop here because I don't want to bring up King's anymore on this regard.  King's has a great history, especially of recent years.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 15, 2009, 01:23:56 PM
How many posts must you have before you can give Karma?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chizwiz on February 15, 2009, 04:25:25 PM
This is a night overdue . . . great game last night by the EU men.  It's exciting to see what they are doing this year.  It seems like the conference is a lot tighter than the beginning of the season made it look.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: phillyguy on February 15, 2009, 05:08:09 PM
Colonel John:  thank you for the karma explanation; short, to the point and much clearer than the FAQ data, which was tough to find.  I won't ask again. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 15, 2009, 05:10:54 PM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on February 15, 2009, 08:49:22 AM
Pat,
You should know by now that the average myopic MAC Freedom fan bothers not with FAQ's, or the front page, or any other conference.  :o)

Well, I didn't expect him to have necessarily stumbled over it, so I provided the links. :)

One key note you left out -- you have to have 200 posts to your name before you can start dishing out karma.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 16, 2009, 01:40:45 AM
CJ,

Still a bundle of possibilities for Wilkes ....but they are IN.

I know your attendance has been sporadic .....so u are due for an update.

At the moment, the team has totally turned around .....they are  playing well.
Coach JR made a few adjustments and they seem to be working.
As to the players themselves,
Tom Kresge has been playing at a very high level. (I am totally impressed with his total game---great b-ball IQ and is a real gamer)
DeRojas seems to have found his game again.  (best 1/2 of b-ball at the Marts in a looooong time vs Alvernia---en fuego!)
Steve Kline has been more instinctive (improved his passing and still a force in the low post)
Gulla  has terrific handle and defends well. Good rebbounder for his position.

The big difference is off the bench. Hinze, now starting with DeFeo injury, has been steady force on the boards.
Paule Huch has been a nice surprise. (shotblocker, hustles and can hurt u with the 3)
Gabe has really turned up his game a notch.
Donatoni continues to play extremely well in limited minutes. (quick, fearless and underrated shooter)
Understand Ruby was quite ill and has just started to pick up some playing time again.

All in all, Wilkes has been rebounding  and defending well. The shooting still a bit sporadic at times but much improved recently.

Big game at Miseri Tuesday. 
W means, at worst, a home 4-5 game or bye.

Let me know if u are coming into town.

Naismith 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 16, 2009, 12:31:22 PM
Nais & all,

If you're coming to Misericordia Tuesday, get in free with a canned food item to be donated to local food pantries.

Wear yellow to support the MU cheerleaders and St. Jude's Hospital in their Quest for a Cure of Childhood Cancer.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on February 17, 2009, 12:08:48 PM
Here's my take on the Colonels:  Kresge= hard nosed go to guy, tough matchup, would like to see him play inside more, terrific rebounder esp on the offensive end, his outside shot just not there this year, a lot of bricks.  DeRojas= deadeye streaky shooter, knocks them down on the foul line, would like to see more screens set up for him a la Reggie Miller,  doesn't miss when feet are set and square to basket, not as good a shooter driving to the basket and shooting on the run, great ball handler but not a good distributor esp on the break, gets hurt on defensive end, a lot of blow byes.  Kline= great low post presence with variety of moves, good rebounder and passer like a point forward or center, should touch the the ball on every trip,  offense should start here.  Gulla= nice size guard, good rebounder and defender, lack of outside shot hurts, a slasher who has to finish more often.  Hinze and Huch= the future, both made contributions, Huch, one of the leaders in block shots in the conf.,   both will have to step up next year.   Rest of the bench is thin,   Donatoni made some plays, can't play him with DeRo (2 smaller guards).
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on February 17, 2009, 12:20:58 PM
Forgot, Gabriel= good perfomer off the bench, had some good minutes, lack of concentration and turnovers hurt.   Wilkes picked a good time to get hot, winning 3 in a row, as they head out to Misieri tonight for their last conference regular season game.  Would like to see at least one playoff game this year.  I guess Wilkes finishing 4th would do it. Home for play- in game.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 17, 2009, 12:49:05 PM
Quote from: naismith on February 16, 2009, 01:40:45 AM
CJ,

Still a bundle of possibilities for Wilkes ....but they are IN.

I know your attendance has been sporadic .....so u are due for an update.

Let me know if u are coming into town.

Naismith 

Nais,

Unfortunately, I'm out for tonight's clash with Miseri.  I am, however, still on schedule to catch Wilkes at Leb Valley on Saturday.  Almost 10 years to the day of the '99 MAC Title game, which was also Wilkes at Leb Valley.  Andy Panko vs. Dave Jannuzzi and Chad Fabian.  Clash of the Titans.

Thanks for the update.  Relieving to know Wilkes is in, regardless.  A win tonight puts them at that mythical number: 10-6.  Postseason basketball.  Mmmm...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: PBR... on February 17, 2009, 01:40:07 PM
does dvc make it to the playoffs? what sayeth the board...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mid-range j on February 17, 2009, 03:10:05 PM
whats everyones playoff predicitons?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Jon on February 17, 2009, 03:49:22 PM
mid-range,

That was your opportunity to reclaim some karma points...throw out a thought-out reason for your own playoff prediction.  Obviously the top four are already in and we're waiting on #5.

What do you like for order?

Can DSU rebound from a recent skid and match Manhattanville over the last two to hold onto the top spot?
Does Eastern jump from preseason #7 all the way up to #3?
Who gets the first (and only) crack at a 4/5 victory?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: PBR... on February 17, 2009, 03:53:43 PM
Quote from: Jon on February 17, 2009, 03:49:22 PM
mid-range,

That was your opportunity to reclaim some karma points...throw out a thought-out reason for your own playoff prediction.  Obviously the top four are already in and we're waiting on #5.

What do you like for order?

Can DSU rebound from a recent skid and match Manhattanville over the last two to hold onto the top spot?
Does Eastern jump from preseason #7 all the way up to #3?
Who gets the first (and only) crack at a 4/5 victory?

i say dvc gets in...they are coming on very strong and would not want to play them in the playoffs at this point
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Jon on February 17, 2009, 03:58:34 PM
I had that same thought about DVC a few weeks ago when we played them at the James Work.  They have a big test tonight at Billera if they want to keep up that momentum.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: PBR... on February 17, 2009, 04:15:40 PM
Quote from: Jon on February 17, 2009, 03:58:34 PM
I had that same thought about DVC a few weeks ago when we played them at the James Work.  They have a big test tonight at Billera if they want to keep up that momentum.

you hit the nail on the head...a very difficult match up tonight and end the season w/ miseri
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jumpball on February 17, 2009, 04:43:11 PM
I would find it hard to believe that desales would drop 3 in a row now.  but I still think Del Val will grab the 5th spot and then win the 4-5 play-in game   i think all the home teams save miseri prevail tonite.  desales to right the ship, kings heading for big trouble on senior nite in M'ville, wilkes  to keep it going and mcpherson goes off one more time v alvernia.  beware of Del Val  in the playoffs if those guards are banging 3's the way they can, they are tough to beat.  DVC has some trouble defending in the paint, but their guards are so good they can often overcome it - dangerous team and jones can light it up on anybody - very impressive player.   
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 17, 2009, 06:02:54 PM
As to the playoff pic,
Starting at the top----DeSales and M-Ville are battling for top seed. DeSales has the tougher schedule but M-ville can incur a bad case of droughtitis at any moment and adroughtly beat themselves.

DeSales was none too happy with the DV OT loss ...rumor being that Coach Coval FEDexd some Zebra footage to the Freedom game and wildlife commission.

Result being a Freedom League Stimulus package offering discounted cataract and laser surgery for BOOA memebers (Blind Officials of America).


Going out on a limb and calling for a DeSales split and M-ville sweep into top spot.  (No conviction on this call).

For 3.4 & 5, Wilkes and Eastern presently occupy 2 of those spots....
Miseri is always tough for Wilkes and Kings has the right stuff to battle Eastern.
Think both Wilkes and Eastern prevail.....

Del Val controls their own playoff destiny.....I really think they only need 1 win of 2.  If I did it correctly, the playoff tiebreakers seem to favor the Aggies.  (1 common game out of conference was a W by both teams.....Alvernia lost to m-vill twice as did DV..... both split Wilkes........ DV splt East. whiile Alv lost 2----think that is the key breaker)
Thus, even if Alv beats DeSales and DV loses---that matchup is tied. So, it appears DV needs to lose 2 and Alvernia sweep to get in.

So, it seems DV will garner seed 4 or 5 and face Wilkes or Eastern.

I actually think Wilkes is hitting their stride and will prevail.

From their, we shall see.....


Ultimately, I predict DeSales to prevail.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: PBR... on February 17, 2009, 07:37:06 PM
Quote from: naismith on February 17, 2009, 06:02:54 PM
As to the playoff pic,
Starting at the top----DeSales and M-Ville are battling for top seed. DeSales has the tougher schedule but M-ville can incur a bad case of droughtitis at any moment and adroughtly beat themselves.

DeSales was none too happy with the DV OT loss ...rumor being that Coach Coval FEDexd some Zebra footage to the Freedom game and wildlife commission.

Result being a Freedom League Stimulus package offering discounted cataract and laser surgery for BOOA memebers (Blind Officials of America).


Going out on a limb and calling for a DeSales split and M-ville sweep into top spot.  (No conviction on this call).

For 3.4 & 5, Wilkes and Eastern presently occupy 2 of those spots....
Miseri is always tough for Wilkes and Kings has the right stuff to battle Eastern.
Think both Wilkes and Eastern prevail.....

Del Val controls their own playoff destiny.....I really think they only need 1 win of 2.  If I did it correctly, the playoff tiebreakers seem to favor the Aggies.  (1 common game out of conference was a W by both teams.....Alvernia lost to m-vill twice as did DV..... both split Wilkes........ DV splt East. whiile Alv lost 2----think that is the key breaker)
Thus, even if Alv beats DeSales and DV loses---that matchup is tied. So, it appears DV needs to lose 2 and Alvernia sweep to get in.

So, it seems DV will garner seed 4 or 5 and face Wilkes or Eastern.

I actually think Wilkes is hitting their stride and will prevail.

From their, we shall see.....


Ultimately, I predict DeSales to prevail.



well done and thought out....i concur...ultimately desales walks away w/ the crown but a HUGE leap for dvc and its program....they are young and w/ a solid coach and expect even more out of them next year right now its gravy time and enjoy the ride as long as it goes!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on February 17, 2009, 09:45:09 PM
For those of you following the playoff race at home, FDU beat Alvernia 81-75 tonight at FDU....
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mailsy on February 17, 2009, 10:00:44 PM
That's a tough loss for the Vern.  It looks as if Del Val will get the last seed. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 17, 2009, 10:06:51 PM
Mailsy--

You slipping into other rooms to close in on the magic number? Followed games on Livestats. Could not get the M'ville score. I think Del Val has the tie breakers on Alvernia were they both to finish 7-9, so I think DVC is in, but that is merely conjecture at this point. I am curious to see if M'ville held off King's.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on February 17, 2009, 10:07:42 PM
Mailsy

I don't have my offical playoff matrix  :)  in front of me, but I believe you're right. Even IF FDU wins, Del val loses at home, and Desales beats Alvernia, FDU ties Del Val, loses head to head tie breaker.

Then, there's the wacky three way tie, IF FDU wins, Del Val loses, and Alvernia wins, you'd have 3 teams at 7-9...FDU would be out of this mix, but I'm not sure who wins a Del Val - Alvernia tie....
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mid-range j on February 17, 2009, 10:55:11 PM
mville wins a chippy contest to say the least..

mville 63 kings 53

there was nothing pretty with this game..a lot of hard fouls, technicals, and hard nosed defense once again..mville is going to have to play better basketball if they want to beat fdu on the road in the last game of the season..nonetheless they came out on top against a hard-nosed-fightyoutilltheend-team in kings...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chizwiz on February 17, 2009, 11:13:30 PM
Quote from: ljk on February 17, 2009, 12:08:48 PM
Here's my take on the Colonels:  Kresge= hard nosed go to guy, tough matchup, would like to see him play inside more, terrific rebounder esp on the offensive end, his outside shot just not there this year, a lot of bricks.  DeRojas= deadeye streaky shooter, knocks them down on the foul line, would like to see more screens set up for him a la Reggie Miller,  doesn't miss when feet are set and square to basket, not as good a shooter driving to the basket and shooting on the run, great ball handler but not a good distributor esp on the break, gets hurt on defensive end, a lot of blow byes.  Kline= great low post presence with variety of moves, good rebounder and passer like a point forward or center, should touch the the ball on every trip,  offense should start here.  Gulla= nice size guard, good rebounder and defender, lack of outside shot hurts, a slasher who has to finish more often.  Hinze and Huch= the future, both made contributions, Huch, one of the leaders in block shots in the conf.,   both will have to step up next year.   Rest of the bench is thin,   Donatoni made some plays, can't play him with DeRo (2 smaller guards).


LJK, great assessment of Wilkes. I was at the game tonight and like what you posted here.  DeRojas didn't shoot much from 3 in second half, as it seemed Wilkes was going hi/lo and trying to have the big man post up or have him pass to the big man on the elbow.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 18, 2009, 01:11:45 AM
Looks like the guests are settled.  Now we just have to sort out who's sitting where at the table.

Updated matrix below
http://athletics.desales.edu/custompages/mbball/2008-09/mHoopsMatrix.pdf (http://athletics.desales.edu/custompages/mbball/2008-09/mHoopsMatrix.pdf)

The way I see it:
DeSales gets #1 seed with a win or MVille loss.  If the Bulldogs finish tied with MVille, they get the tiebreaker by virtue of sweeping Wilkes, where as MVille lost both to Wilkes.  Both MVille and DeSales split with Eastern.

MVille can still get #1 seed but need a win and a DeSales loss (@ Alvernia) on Saturday.  Otherwise MVille is locked into the #2 spot.

Wilkes is 10-6 and if Eastern wins on Saturday (@ King's), they are also 10-6.  Eastern would win that tiebreaker by virtue of its win over DeSales.  Wilkes was swept by DeSales.

Wilkes can get the #3 seed if Eastern loses at King's on Saturday.

Delaware Valley is in the playoffs for the first time since 1969...congrats to them.  They are locked into the #5 seed.

Enjoy the final regular season games on Saturday everyone.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: PBR... on February 18, 2009, 07:25:39 AM
Quote from: BJ - DSU SID on February 18, 2009, 01:11:45 AM
Looks like the guests are settled.  Now we just have to sort out who's sitting where at the table.

Updated matrix below
http://athletics.desales.edu/custompages/mbball/2008-09/mHoopsMatrix.pdf (http://athletics.desales.edu/custompages/mbball/2008-09/mHoopsMatrix.pdf)

The way I see it:
DeSales gets #1 seed with a win or MVille loss.  If the Bulldogs finish tied with MVille, they get the tiebreaker by virtue of sweeping Wilkes, where as MVille lost both to Wilkes.  Both MVille and DeSales split with Eastern.

MVille can still get #1 seed but need a win and a DeSales loss (@ Alvernia) on Saturday.  Otherwise MVille is locked into the #2 spot.

Wilkes is 10-6 and if Eastern wins on Saturday (@ King's), they are also 10-6.  Eastern would win that tiebreaker by virtue of its win over DeSales.  Wilkes was swept by DeSales.

Wilkes can get the #3 seed if Eastern loses at King's on Saturday.

Delaware Valley is in the playoffs for the first time since 1969...congrats to them.  They are locked into the #5 seed.

Enjoy the final regular season games on Saturday everyone.

welll done and go dvc!!! no pressure as no one thought u guys would make it this far...play loose and have fun and enjoy the ride!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chizwiz on February 18, 2009, 09:08:46 AM
Congrats to DVC for making the playoffs.

Nice overview of the playoff seeds, BJ.  It all makes sense now.

I've read the posts saying DVC is the team to watch out for and nobody wants to play them.  I take it one step further, I think this tourney is very close from top to bottom.  We have seen that DeSales can lose to any team and that the 7th/8th/9th worst teams can beat anybody.  Projections are going to be tough and probably inaccurate once this tourney is over.

But, let's do those predictions anyway ;)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: PBR... on February 18, 2009, 09:41:46 AM
Quote from: chizwiz on February 18, 2009, 09:08:46 AM
Congrats to DVC for making the playoffs.

Nice overview of the playoff seeds, BJ.  It all makes sense now.

I've read the posts saying DVC is the team to watch out for and nobody wants to play them.  I take it one step further, I think this tourney is very close from top to bottom.  We have seen that DeSales can lose to any team and that the 7th/8th/9th worst teams can beat anybody.  Projections are going to be tough and probably inaccurate once this tourney is over.

But, let's do those predictions anyway ;)

dvc takes it all....  ;D                    in reality desales imho will take the crown but it wont be easy and i truly think dvc makes a run in the tourney but runs out of gas and doesnt have enough bullets to take down desales. but w/ a roster just loaded w/ freshmen and sophmores and a top coach dvc is going to be a force now in the league
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on February 18, 2009, 10:58:18 AM
Wilkes beat Miseri on the road to finish 10-6 in conference.  Huch and Gabriel came off the bench  and gave the Colonels a big boost.  Freshman Huch has been coming on strong down the stretch.  With long arms and wide shoulders ( a young Phil Jackson), he has become a premier shot blocker in the league.  As he matures and hits the weight room, he has a bright future.  He had 12 pts and 7 rebs in the win.  Gabe had a lot of energy last night and chipped in 11 pts, and 6 rebounds.  It's a great time for contributions from the bench as the Colonels have now won 4 in a row.   It looks like if Eastern loses to King's, Wilkes gets 3rd seed.  If Eastern wins, Wilkes will get 4th seed and a home game.  Del Val at Wilkes would be a real bad matchup for the Colonels. I agree with my fellow posters, Del Val is one dangerous team if they get that last spot.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mid-range j on February 18, 2009, 02:00:08 PM
mville was picked pre-season #6 and they are at least going to finish 2nd in the conference...they graduated 5 seniors, 4 starters, and 3 - 1,000 point scorers from last years squad and are going to finish in a spot where NOBODY thought they would...

eastern has also had a stellar year, along with a change in progress for del val..those teams should be very proud of their efforts..ecspecially after the "pre-season ranking spots"

like i keep saying..mville is tough to beat at home..they havent played great the past couple of games but they are still holding teams off..their defense is always there and that is something that could really help them come playoff time...

last 5 games defense field goal percentage:
Kings - 35%
Misericordia - 31%
Wilkes - 43%
Del Val - 32%
William Patterson - 31%

like ljk put it (it might have been someone else) they could go droughtful on offense and that is something they will need to improve on come playoff time, but as for defense, i think they are the best in the conference with desales up there as well..
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on February 18, 2009, 03:01:51 PM
Mid:  Mville really holds the ball on offense and lets the clock go all the way down before taking a shot.  They seem to treat every possession like it is for the last shot of the half or the game.  Thats ok, but teams holding it that long, have a tendency to turn the ball over, or rush the shot as the shot clock winds down, and as a result they don't get a good look at the basket.  That might account for the drought on offense that you mentioned.   They really do shorten the game.  When I was scanning their roster, I noticed players from Australia, Ireland, Texas, Fla, DC, etc. Who does their recruiting and how do these players find the school?  They had to replace a lot from last season and they did a great job.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jumpball on February 18, 2009, 03:22:08 PM
ljk:  I absolutely agree that DVC is a tough nut for anyone right now but I actually think Wilkes matches up pretty well with them for the reason they have the bigs to give DVC real problems inside.  DVC can struggle defensively inside and be pounded from the low blocks from what I've seen (limited as it is).  with kresge and kline et al they have the horses to do that.....  not sure wilkes will match up with them anyway as I would not be surprised if kings takes eastern saturday.  don't know if a loss there would alter the seedings and match ups or not.   with eastern already in, not sure how desperate they are now and although i did not see or hear about kings game last nite - but 3 technicals sounds like they might be a little feisty following that one.  they will show up on saturday at home v eastern, i think.  whether they prevail......who knows but they have better than a punchers shot at it
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 19, 2009, 10:13:45 AM
Jump,

Should Kings beat Eastern, Wilkes slides into the 3 seed and DVC vs Eastern is the 4-5 game.
Should DeSales lose and M-ville win their final games, the same switch happens.

Agree with your assessment of potentail DVC vs Wilkes matchup. Colonels will need to control glass and score inside.
The Aggies are the quicker team especially on the perimeter. Williams plays pretty tall for his size and my feel is that he will be key.

Wilkes has been playing better. With Gabriel and Huch stepping up, they actually add some speed and quickness inside.
Along with Kline, Kresge and Hinze, they have a formidable front line.  Colonels have yet to find a consistent outside threat other than DeRojas. Gulla offers defense, handle and rebounding.....Ruby plays hard. In a DVC matchup, Donatoni might be a potential key off the bench. Very quick guard, good handle...can penetrate and dish or score. Pretty capable shooter and plays without fear.

As to DVC, Seipt and Jones are a tough tandem. Mayo plays aggressive game....likes to penetrate but can stroke the open '3'.
Williams can sky. Combined with his quickness, he presents problems.  These 4 get the most minutes but the bench has many contributors.

Wilkes will need a big defensive effort to contain the Aggies. If the Colonels can control the boards and tempo, they can win this matchup. It will take a full 40 minutes of intensity.

If Del Val can up tempo the game, utilize their quickness and shoot well....it will be an Aggie night. 

Although this game is a tossup in my mind, I have noted the recently improved Colonel play and think they will get past DVC should they play a 1st round game.

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jumpball on February 19, 2009, 10:32:17 AM
Nai:  thanks for update on playoff scenario.  agree, it'd be a fun tilt to watch; also agree with your views pretty much.  if DVC is hitting....well, they likely beat anyone then, otherwise, I could see wilkes pounding them down low and prevailing.  if they get into a game matching up on the outside, thats to DVC advantage, no disrespect to Wilkes guards but they can't match quickness of DVC - doubt any team can.  I know donatoni well and yes, he is fearless, but he doesn't seem to get many minutes anymore - i know it's tough playing him with derojas as both are small and it's tough to defend with two guards that can each be posted easily, but with dero getting 35+ minutes a night how does he get in to play much of a role?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chizwiz on February 19, 2009, 11:01:23 AM
I love it that EU is getting almost no attention on this board.  I think EU's defense is probably stronger than people are willing to admit.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopzwiz on February 19, 2009, 11:54:57 AM
Your name should be Cheezewiz.
Are you still the scorekeeper for Eastern?

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 19, 2009, 12:05:27 PM
Hoopswiz...chizwiz.

Maybe I should consider re-naming myself for this board.

Anyways...I think Eastern has gotten their fair share of mention.  Heck the chairman loves the Eagles and he's a regular poster.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 19, 2009, 12:31:32 PM
Quote from: BJ - DSU SID on February 19, 2009, 12:05:27 PM
Hoopswiz...chizwiz.

Maybe I should consider re-naming myself for this board.

G-wiz?

Mathwiz?


Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on February 19, 2009, 02:49:40 PM
Jump and Nais: nice breakdown of game that might not happen.  I like the front line of Wilkes too, but they just don't take advantage of it on a consistent basis.  Wilkes starts every game feeding the post a few times and then just get away from it totally.  How many times do their big men end up with the ball at the top of the key just holding it?   I understand the motion offense, but it doesn't make sense not to use the strengths of your personnel and the matchup problems that they present down low in most games.  If you are going to pound it down low, then continue to do it , even if it takes double or triple entry passes.  Even if you don't get anything from it, it creates double and triple teams and opens up the whole floor for inside/outside game.  DeRojas is the iron man of the league and that accounts for Donatoni"s lack of playing time.   As Nais pointed out, that 2nd guard spot is a problem for Wilkes, with the smaller Donatoni limiting substitution options,  the ineffectiveness of Ruby, and the lack of an outside shot from Gulla.   One question on Wilkes/DelVal, who's guarding Jones?  He went off in both games this year.  Have to go with a zone or some gimmick defense I guess or mix it up during the game to slow down the probable league POY. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chizwiz on February 19, 2009, 03:25:16 PM
BJ, seriously, you could take another name just to amuse us all.  BJ DSU SID is kind of boring.  I don't have any ideas for you, so you're going to have to figure out something on your own.

Hoopzwiz, not doing any scorekeeping any more.  (And obviously not too worried about giving up my identity to people who think they know it.)  Actually, I work most nights, so don't get a chance to see as many games as I'd like.  How many games are you seeing lately?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mid-range j on February 19, 2009, 03:35:39 PM
hostility, hostility..lets save it for the playoffs people! lol
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopzwiz on February 19, 2009, 03:50:43 PM
Cheez........I mean Chiz, I'm seeing too many games, not getting enough sleep.  I did see you at the Wilkes game the other night.

I guess you've been elevated from scorekeeper to scout for the Eagles.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 19, 2009, 04:02:25 PM
Hostility?  Who's hostile.  I see no hostile messages over the last few posts.

I chose the user name just because I did not want to post behind a secret identity.  Anyone can create a fake email and some clever user name and come on here saying what they want.

I chose to let everyone know who I am and still voice my opinion (when I felt the need) and not hide behind a user name.

I'll settle for being boring.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mid-range j on February 19, 2009, 05:07:31 PM
I wasn't talking about you DJ, but ok.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 19, 2009, 06:00:36 PM
Tiger will play in the Accenture Match Play event next week. Just throwing that out there.

Chiz, I think people post about the teams they follow on this board. Since I'm regular-- (healthy diet with plenty of fiber)-- I'll post this.

Eastern's defense can be very good, but I am not shocked that people are not talking about it on the board.

I am looking forward to knowing final details on Saturday. Eastern's slow start in the league (0-3 with a 30 point loss at M'ville) has enabled them to stay under the radar throughout the year. Their process of self-discovery (I sound like Phil Jackson here) has been fun to watch up close, but I think the same thing can be said for each of the teams in the top part of the league.

I think that Eastern's freshmen class could wind up being a cornerstone group, but no one can be sure how a team in their first playoffs in a new league will do, even more a team that relies very heavily on three freshmen in their top 7.

Saturday's game at King's is no gimme for the Eagles. Conroy is a handful, and while the Eagles were able to rattle their guards a little bit in the close quarters at Eastern, I would imagine that it will be more challenging to have that same impact on the road (not to mention another trip up to the land of Dunder Mifflin and some of the strange officiating that can happen up there.

On a side-note. Because they will play next Monday, Del Val will play 5 games in ten days. Pretty safe assumption that whoever did the scheduling put PSU-Harrisburg on the schedule for Thursday with the assumption that a win in their penultimate contest might give some good feelings to the program. The NCAA requirement for a day off every 7 turns this into a bit of a nightmare. It is a good problem to have, but a situation nonetheless.




Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chizwiz on February 19, 2009, 07:40:05 PM
Quote from: hoopzwiz on February 19, 2009, 03:50:43 PM
Cheez........I mean Chiz, I'm seeing too many games, not getting enough sleep.  I did see you at the Wilkes game the other night.

I guess you've been elevated from scorekeeper to scout for the Eagles.

Yeah, I was there, sitting right next to the Wilkes AD.  Nice lady.  And I always enjoy giving the Wilkes towel lady a hug, even though I don't remember her name.  And I don't officially scout for the Eagles.  Although I will give some of their coaches information that they probably already know and that sometimes (or many times) is completely inaccurate.  Let's just say that I am not an X's and O's guy.  Give me another year and I will be able to write up a complete review of all the teams (save EU's) concessions stands.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 19, 2009, 09:49:49 PM
Quote from: mid-range j on February 19, 2009, 05:07:31 PM
I wasn't talking about you DJ, but ok.

Who's DJ?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 19, 2009, 10:14:32 PM
Vanilla Ice reference?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 20, 2009, 10:43:50 AM
Quote from: BJ - DSU SID on February 19, 2009, 04:02:25 PM
Hostility?  Who's hostile.  I see no hostile messages over the last few posts.

I chose the user name just because I did not want to post behind a secret identity.  Anyone can create a fake email and some clever user name and come on here saying what they want.

I chose to let everyone know who I am and still voice my opinion (when I felt the need) and not hide behind a user name.

I'll settle for being boring.

I bet you wish your identity was hidden last year on the PAC women's board.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 20, 2009, 12:21:05 PM
Nope
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 20, 2009, 12:31:29 PM
I'll give you some karma for that.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 21, 2009, 11:10:15 AM
A couple odd quirks in the schedule. With eight teams active in league play and the playoff teams already established, each of the four playoff teams is playing against a team that is already eliminated. Each of the three playoff teams whose position is still to be determined is on the road. Who will step up and be a spoiler?

The other interesting question is how Wilkes will play the Leb Valley contest. Obviously, you play to win this time of year, but they rely very heavily on three main pieces (one of whom has played an enormous quantity of minutes) for their scoring-- reference their win over Alvernia in support of that with DeRojas 37, Kresge 22, Kline 11 for 70 of 77 points. If they knew they weren't playing until Wednesday, I would think it makes sense to playy the game completely straight up, but the potential for three games next week sets up an interesting question as well. Del Val also has some choices to make. If they don't play close to their best against Misericordia, they will lose-- The Cougars have played everything tight over the course of the year, and if Del Val chooses to reduce minutes for Seipt, Jones, Williams, or Mayo, the Cougars are clearly good enough to hang a loss on the Aggies-- they might be good enough to do so even if the Aggies play everyone standard minutes.

Del Val knows that they will play on Monday, and I believe they are hoping to win three straight on the road next week. Do they take the day off and drop to below .500, or do they expend energy and risk under-performing on Monday? All this will be interesting.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 21, 2009, 07:56:42 PM
Way too much time on your hands chairman.

The dust has settled and per the Conference office here are the standings following today's results.

#1 DeSales University
#2 Manhattanville College
#3 Eastern University
#4 Wilkes University
#5 Delaware Valley College

Schedule for the week
Monday
Delaware Valley @ Wilkes (7:00 pm)

Wednesday
Monday's Winner @ DeSales (8:00 pm)
Eastern @ Manhattanville (8:00 pm)

Saturday
Wednesday's Winners at highest remaining seed's house (Time TBA)

Enjoy the start of what is affectionately known as March Madness starting a little bit early in February.  Conference Championship and an NCAA bid up for grabs this week.

Now the fun starts.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Jon on February 21, 2009, 08:05:28 PM
chair-deisel,

I liked the insight, so I dropped a little karma on ya.  Looks like we're set for a doubleheader in Purchase next Wednesday.  I'd love to stick around for your game, but that's a little far for me to drive separately.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Wolfpac on February 21, 2009, 08:11:25 PM
Quote from: Jon on February 21, 2009, 08:05:28 PM
chair-deisel,

I liked the insight, so I dropped a little karma on ya.  Looks like we're set for a doubleheader in Purchase next Wednesday.  I'd love to stick around for your game, but that's a little far for me to drive separately.



Hey Jon,

Hope all is well over there in the MAC....... Miss coming to the PE center.  Loved those classic battles between McKloskey/ Miller/Dzik.

Hoping the Vern and the Cavs get to meet up somewhere in the future like the EU & battle of Eagle Rd.  You deserve alot of credit for the job you did in the PAC... it is not the same without your stats or matrixes.  Good luck in the off season hope to see ya at the Cemetary some evening after a good game. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Jon on February 21, 2009, 08:20:55 PM
Wolfpac, good to hear from you...I like the transition to a chatroom where someone else handles the matrix!

It's a different season without having the Cavs come to town.  On a side note, The Cemetery is now the Upland Cafe...maybe we can meet there, or you should really try the hand-carved beef and cheese at Trooper's.

Best of luck in the postseason.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 21, 2009, 08:58:24 PM
So..... Looks like Monday will determine who was right. Wilkes drops a game they probably could have won as they rest their top perimeter player and season minutes leader for the whole game and limit minutes for several other key players.

DelVal on the other hand plays the game like it matters completely and manages to slip past Misericordia in overtime while Seipt and Jones  play 40 and 44 minutes. Since they both chose different answers, one will be right and the other ....

Looking at the week to come, I will be intrigued to see who wins the Monday game. On another interesting note, nine schools in the league, eight of them have some form of playoff basketball happening. The other interesting note, with all that variety, the top two seeds for the men and women are identical.
Jon, I will be wearing maroon for both games at M'ville on Wednesday. (Your not going to get me to put on a shirt with any kind of capital A or a funny helmet, but I'll be there.) If you are serious about staying, I could probably get you back to somewhere close to home.

Eastern's game at King's today never felt close. Myers, Soaries and Reels were able to disturb their guards, and though Conroy is good and he put up 16 points, he also got stripped several times and appeared disoriented when the double teams came. Reels finished at the rim much better today than he has all year.

Congrats should go to Coach Nadelhoffer, his staff, and the team for a really nice rebound after an 0-3 start.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mid-range j on February 22, 2009, 01:07:28 AM
Mville held off FDU on their home court on Senior Day.  Ryan McPherson is a very talented player who had a great career at FDU.  He is explosive and his first step to the basket is probably one of the quickest in the conference.  He hits a lot of tough shots.  I believe he had 22 points on the night.  I was really impressed with Katz.  Another quick guard who is going to be a problem for opposing teams in the conference for the next couple of years. 

FDU jumped out with a quick lead in the game.  They came out on fire, hitting off balance 3's and tough shots.  They lead by 8 at the half but then the Valiants defense really clamped down on the Devils.  It wasn't the best defensive night for the Valiants but their OFFENSE was somewhat on point tonite.  Wesly Wicks had a caree high 25 points and Trevoy Pointer had 18 and 8. 

The Eastern game is going to be great..Chairman, whiz and all the other eastern fans traveling, this is going to be a great game and an awesome atmosphere! 

On another note, Mville shares the regular season crown with DeSales...not bad for being picked pre-season #6 in the conference..Kudos to Coach Scanlon and the team...

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chizwiz on February 22, 2009, 08:11:42 AM
mid-range, definitely echoing you in kudos to m-ville in their jump from #6 preseason to tied for 1st in regular season.

I'm hoping that m'ville can reserve some tickets for away fans for the 2nd game on Wednesday.  I hear it is tough to get seats up there.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 22, 2009, 10:23:20 AM
Sorry, CJ, but BEST luck to the Delaware Valley College Men's B'ball team tomorrow night when they take on the Wilke's Colonels in Wilkes Barre!  Heck, it's been FORTY years!  GO AGGIES!!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on February 22, 2009, 12:03:12 PM
mid and chiz:  I'm with you in sending kudos to Mville Coach Pat Scanlon.  The interesting thing is that the Valiants had a great winning season last year with a fast paced, run and gun, up and down the floor, playground style team.  This year was the complete opposite.  They slowed it down, worked the clock, and looked for the best shot available, and still enjoyed another great season.  A sign of a good Coach adjusting his technique to his personnel.  Great job!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mid-range j on February 22, 2009, 03:09:37 PM
chiz, im pretty sure they reserve a section in the upper balcony for opposing fans for the playoffs, but don't quote me on that..as for tickets..its first come first serve..i remember when they played in the playoffs for the skyline champioship that it was tough to see the game, so yea it would be a good idea to come a little early...

ljk, i think a reason for the switch is the different styles of play within the two conferences (skyline and MAC), traditionally, in the skyline, most teams are run and gun and very few teams play good defense, while transitioning, the valiants were trying to find their groove and noticed that they had to play much better defense this year in order to compete and get good wins, now there offense has struggled but like i said i think that will come along with more experience from the young players, they are still a really young team (10 freshmen, 2 sophomores, 3 juniors, 3 seniors)..

coach scanlon is great and what is scary is that he is only 27 years old, if you want to watch good defenders check out lamar glass and trevoy pointer, they have continually limited opposing teams best players this year, but their TEAM defense is great..

eastern deserves credit as well, as they are young and till have room to grow, i think they are somewhat similiar to mville so thats why it should be a good game...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: PBR... on February 23, 2009, 07:40:44 AM
big game for dvc...what a turnaround, this new coach and young team leaves a lot of excitement around this program....this coach should be coach of the year to take this team and turn them around in this short of time
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chizwiz on February 23, 2009, 08:06:18 AM
Thanks, Mid.  Hope to get a seat.  And I like your assessment of M-ville.  Looks to be a great matchup on Wednesday.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: wb1313 on February 23, 2009, 01:10:47 PM
Maybe someone can help me out...why is the 5 seed in the playoffs?  Did Wilkes and Del Val end in a tie and need a tiebreaker? I'm really kind of confused since it wasn't like this a few years ago.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mid-range j on February 23, 2009, 01:17:20 PM
Quote from: wb1313 on February 23, 2009, 01:10:47 PM
Maybe someone can help me out...why is the 5 seed in the playoffs?  Did Wilkes and Del Val end in a tie and need a tiebreaker? I'm really kind of confused since it wasn't like this a few years ago.

i think its because there are 9 teams rather than 8 or even 7 like in years past..it just gives more teams a chance (i'm not saying i agree with it)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mailsy on February 23, 2009, 01:30:15 PM
Quote from: mid-range j on February 23, 2009, 01:17:20 PM
Quote from: wb1313 on February 23, 2009, 01:10:47 PM
Maybe someone can help me out...why is the 5 seed in the playoffs?  Did Wilkes and Del Val end in a tie and need a tiebreaker? I'm really kind of confused since it wasn't like this a few years ago.

i think its because there are 9 teams rather than 8 or even 7 like in years past..it just gives more teams a chance (i'm not saying i agree with it)

It will probably change back next year to 4 teams in playoffs for each MAC conference when Alvernia moves from Freedom to Commonwealth.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 23, 2009, 01:58:53 PM
It is five teams for this year only because as was stated we have nine teams in the league.

Basketball is not the only sport to do so.  All sports in the Freedom Conference with nine participating teams had five make the playoffs.

It was voted on during the summer by either the presidents and maybe the operations committee in the conference and approved.

Next year we are back to four teams with Alvernia moving to the Commonwealth and thus the two conferences having eight and eight again.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: PBR... on February 23, 2009, 02:40:38 PM
Quote from: BJ - DSU SID on February 23, 2009, 01:58:53 PM
It is five teams for this year only because as was stated we have nine teams in the league.

Basketball is not the only sport to do so.  All sports in the Freedom Conference with nine participating teams had five make the playoffs.

It was voted on during the summer by either the presidents and maybe the operations committee in the conference and approved.

Next year we are back to four teams with Alvernia moving to the Commonwealth and thus the two conferences having eight and eight again.

and dvc appreciates the bonus slot this year....   ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 23, 2009, 02:55:07 PM
The Centennial Conference, also, has the top five in the play-offs.
The reasoning being there's not much difference between the 4th and 5th(I guess you could use this logic for increasing it even more), so they have a play in game.  Four plays five earlier in the week for the right to play the first place team.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 23, 2009, 06:46:24 PM
Plus the Centennial also has more than eight teams.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 23, 2009, 08:50:19 PM
Congratulations to the Wilkes Colonels & CJ - Del Val will be back   ;)  They had a heck of a season.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 23, 2009, 11:39:58 PM
Quote from: kate on February 22, 2009, 10:23:20 AM
Sorry, CJ, but BEST luck to the Delaware Valley College Men's B'ball team tomorrow night when they take on the Wilke's Colonels in Wilkes Barre!  Heck, it's been FORTY years!  GO AGGIES!!!

Kate,

No offense.  ;)  Thank you, and you're welcome.

Yeah, it's been 40 years for Del Val, but I'll contend that the Wilkes streak of 8 years without a MAC Title (including 2 agonizingly close title games) has been more painful. 

And, really, we have to play at DeSales again?  Really?  We've seen this before. Like 3 other times in the past 6-7 seasons.  Somewhere, Greg Riley is dropping F bombs at the prospect of ANOTHER playoff game in Centre Valley.  I don't know if it's a "curse", but, here we go again.

I could be wrong... but Wilkes's win at home tonight... first home playoff win since the '01 MAC-F Championship against Scranton?  Ahhh, the glory days.  Remember when we had those purple jerks to kick around?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 23, 2009, 11:56:09 PM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on February 23, 2009, 11:39:58 PM

And, really, we have to play at DeSales again?  Really?  We've seen this before. Like 3 other times in the past 6-7 seasons.  Somewhere, Greg Riley is dropping F bombs at the prospect of ANOTHER playoff game in Centre Valley.  I don't know if it's a "curse", but, here we go again.


Am I that bad of a host?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 24, 2009, 06:50:20 AM
Quote from: BJ - DSU SID on February 23, 2009, 11:56:09 PM
Am I that bad of a host?

It's not you, BJ.  It's us.  Wilkes fans just tend to get cranky when we have travel for a playoff game.  We get REALLY cranky when we have to leave "the 570" entirely.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: PBR... on February 24, 2009, 07:56:33 AM
Quote from: kate on February 23, 2009, 08:50:19 PM
Congratulations to the Wilkes Colonels & CJ - Del Val will be back   ;)  They had a heck of a season.


well stated kate...good job wilkes and for dvc the aggie nation cant wait for next season to begin!!! never has this program had so much promise and excitement. a great coach and young team the mac will hear from the aggies next year in hoops!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 24, 2009, 08:52:06 AM
Good coach. Young coach with great promise. Enthusiastic and charismatic mentor. Those all work.

Great coach-- that's overstated and premature. Really good progress for DelVal, and he might even get coach of the year, but at the end of the day it is still a .500 season overall. (I have to give slack on the non-league schedule, because though I think Valley Forge Christian is better than PSU-Harrisburg, Eastern did a similar thing in anticipating a rebuilding year.) I would agree that there will be great competition for the FOUR playoff spots next year, and DelVal will be in the mix.

I wasn't at the game last night, but a 15-0 run over the final five minutes is almost exactly what Wilkes did to EU up there in the regular season-- with the difference being that they used their run to break a tie against Eastern and DeRojas hit like eight free throws as Eastern was trying to get back into the game. I wonder how much the Overtime win over Misericordia took out of DelVal.

Wilkes at DeSales. I might have to go read a little history to see what happens there. The short history of Eastern at Manhattanville, well that book isn't worth reading, but Wilkes v. DeSales sounds like it has some history.


Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mid-range j on February 24, 2009, 12:57:04 PM
chairman, some good things for me to put my two sense in about now. lol

the del val coach - i think its a little early to start overgassing him, i commend him on his efforts this season and for making the 5th seed in the playoffs, but i dont think any coach is happy with a .500 season, if they are, they shouldnt be coaching, but doing it for his first year in the program is a good thing, im sure he will do an even better job when he brings in more of his recruits, speaking of that, how come when del val played mville in early january there was a kid who played (it was the only game he played the whole season, wasnt on the roster before that game and wasnt on the roster after that game) his name was james pope and he scored 13 points had 9 reb and 3 blocks, maybe someone from del val can help me out with this one?

the valiants also could have said that this year is a "rebuilding" year due to their loss of 5 seniors, 4 starters, and 3 1,000 point scorers from last years squad, but instead of choosing a cupcake non-conference schedule, they chose to play Rhode Island College (nationally recognizd), William Patterson (Nationally Recognized), invited Middlebury and Richard Stockton to their tournament (both nationally ranked) and also played in a tough stevens tech tournament (washington and jefferson and stevens)..now thats guts!

Quote from: chairman on February 24, 2009, 08:52:06 AM
I wasn't at the game last night, but a 15-0 run over the final five minutes is almost exactly what Wilkes did to EU up there in the regular season-- with the difference being that they used their run to break a tie against Eastern and DeRojas hit like eight free throws as Eastern was trying to get back into the game. I wonder how much the Overtime win over Misericordia took out of DelVal.


i followed live stats last night for the wilkes dvc game..and just like chairman stated thats what happened to mville when they played at wilkes in the regular season as well.. coincidence? hmmmm...the foul shots:

mville - 4 wilkes - 24..???

i think we can add wilkes to that home court advantage list..lol

cant wait for tomorrow as eastern comes to kennedy...should be a great one
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jumpball on February 24, 2009, 01:44:09 PM
Quote from: kate on February 23, 2009, 08:50:19 PM
Congratulations to the Wilkes Colonels & CJ - Del Val will be back   ;)  They had a heck of a season.

Agreed on Del Val.  Only saw them play twice but was very impressed with coach and players alike.  Better yet, they were good sports, played hard and will be a force for quite a while as they are young.  Not that other teams aren't good sports, but I thought this team was notable in how they conducted themselves, they do their school proud, I was rooting for them for that reason alone.  Kudos to them on a nice year.  well done.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 24, 2009, 03:53:59 PM
Mid-Range- I personally of a fan of taking on a great non-league schedule, but I also know that there is a time and a place for everything. The point I was making on this was that Del Val showed great improvement, but perhaps to mitigate some of the lavish praise that is flowing on this board. I did not want someone to come back on me and say, Eastern didn't play a great non-league schedule either. I know why both programs scheduled the way they did. Kudos to Manhattanville for pressing forward with a tough schedule, but their losses, while severe, were from team that was very successful. Eastern won 16 games a couple times with the group that left, but never reached a conference final, so to try and get a couple W's built into the schedule- particularly with the great unknown of the Freedom in front of them makes a lot of sense.

Not sure about Pope-- Maybe it was a special dispensation?

Tomorrow should be interesting-- the one thing we know for sure is that we can't know anything about this match-up. Game 1, Eastern Scores 33 points-- game 2 Don Kaiser scores 20 points. Time will tell.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: PBR... on February 24, 2009, 03:58:12 PM
Quote from: mid-range j on February 24, 2009, 12:57:04 PM
chairman, some good things for me to put my two sense in about now. lol

the del val coach - i think its a little early to start overgassing him, i commend him on his efforts this season and for making the 5th seed in the playoffs, but i dont think any coach is happy with a .500 season, if they are, they shouldnt be coaching, but doing it for his first year in the program is a good thing, im sure he will do an even better job when he brings in more of his recruits, speaking of that, how come when del val played mville in early january there was a kid who played (it was the only game he played the whole season, wasnt on the roster before that game and wasnt on the roster after that game) his name was james pope and he scored 13 points had 9 reb and 3 blocks, maybe someone from del val can help me out with this one?

the valiants also could have said that this year is a "rebuilding" year due to their loss of 5 seniors, 4 starters, and 3 1,000 point scorers from last years squad, but instead of choosing a cupcake non-conference schedule, they chose to play Rhode Island College (nationally recognizd), William Patterson (Nationally Recognized), invited Middlebury and Richard Stockton to their tournament (both nationally ranked) and also played in a tough stevens tech tournament (washington and jefferson and stevens)..now thats guts!

Quote from: chairman on February 24, 2009, 08:52:06 AM
I wasn't at the game last night, but a 15-0 run over the final five minutes is almost exactly what Wilkes did to EU up there in the regular season-- with the difference being that they used their run to break a tie against Eastern and DeRojas hit like eight free throws as Eastern was trying to get back into the game. I wonder how much the Overtime win over Misericordia took out of DelVal.


i followed live stats last night for the wilkes dvc game..and just like chairman stated thats what happened to mville when they played at wilkes in the regular season as well.. coincidence? hmmmm...the foul shots:

mville - 4 wilkes - 24..???

i think we can add wilkes to that home court advantage list..lol

cant wait for tomorrow as eastern comes to kennedy...should be a great one


geez...sorry pbr guesses he was over the top w/ excitement...here are record last year was 3-22 and 0-14 in the mac and we have a coach make the playoffs in the first year inheriting that program w/ basically all freshmen and sophmores... ::)   ok we cant call him john wooden yet but how about letting dvc fans actually get excited about a program that has been brutal for the last 20 years with similiar records  so pls excuse pbr, kate and rest of the dvc fans as we didnt mean to step on peoples toes and be actually excited for once for something other than wrestling and football
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mid-range j on February 24, 2009, 04:19:50 PM
not stepping on anyones toes..you should be excited..ecspecially as a fan, and its a great turn around..it seems like they almost had last night as well which makes it even better..dont get the wrong impression, is said good things too!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mid-range j on February 24, 2009, 04:20:37 PM
pbr

what about the pope kid tho i didnt get an answer for that?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: PBR... on February 24, 2009, 04:27:16 PM
Quote from: mid-range j on February 24, 2009, 04:20:37 PM
pbr

what about the pope kid tho i didnt get an answer for that?

good question, dont know the answer to that although will dig around to see what info can be found
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 24, 2009, 05:18:37 PM
Let me dispense with a few things first:

As to the DV/Wilkes contest:
The FT disparity was more a result of 'style' of play rather than officiating.
Most felt the game was called pretty even.

Wilkes faced a shorter team and dominated the boards. The bigs created fouls with quick penetrating moves late in the game.
Even DeRojas was driving baseline to force play. DVC faced mostly man (which they broke down) and zone (where they were frustrated inside and settled for outside shots).
Add in some late game fouls and, to me, it was not out of line.

What I have noted before and will repeat, the Colonel defense and team play has solidified the last month. They have been consistent in 'stopping' opponenets late in the game.

My guess is neither side appreicated the officiating but that is normal...lol....I thought that, overall, the gamewas called pretty well.

Looking at the contest, I think the game went as I thought it would. Aggie quickness vs Colonel power game.
That might have been a draw but there was one subtle exception.

Chris Gulla of Wilkes.
An unsung player when one compares his numbers to the production of Tom Kresge, Steve Kline and Chris DeRojas.
CG was the difference Monday night.

He checked James "NESTLES QUIK" Jones exceptionally well.  Yes, NESTLES had 26 and that is no LEAN CUISINE!!
But Jones shot 6-15 from the floor while CRUNCHing 14-14 from the line.  And  No '3's. (DVC was 2-14 from the arc)
Nestles initial bucket was a BIT O HONEY on CG but his 1st 1/2 SPREE of 3 buckets came with Gulla on the bench. Another SWEETART came via a switch and he  SNO-CAPPED his night with an uncontested last second layup.
No JAMBAS !!
Gulla GOBSTOPPED him sticking to his HOTPOCKETS.  CG Even got a STOUFFER on a top of the key jumper.

CG got WONKA'd with his 4th BUITONI midway 2nd half and did not get COFFEEMATED out of the game.

Finally, CG JUICY JUICED the offense with a pair of DOLCE GUSTI trifectas. The only '3's for the Colonels the entire game!!! (team 2-8 for game).

Sometimes I think subtle performances are overlooked since we rely on stats, recaps and box scores.
I have always appreciated CG's handle, grit, rebounding and solid defense. On this Monday, he was worth 100 GRAND!!

Nestles website:  http://www.nestleusa.com/PubOurBrands/Brands.aspx

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jabstep08 on February 24, 2009, 07:31:03 PM
Just wanted to point out some quick points about del val.  first, i wanna give coach stitzel all the credit in the world for doing a great job this year but he had a way better team than what the coach had last year top to bottom. stitzel kept 4 or 5 players from last years club and brought in eight new players dont know how many players were coming to the school before stitzel took over but with that being said he should have made the playoffs with the conference not being as strong as it was the year before...just want to get some feedback...also james jones lead the public league in scoring his senior year, when was the last time del val had a player like that besides pinkney and surrounded them with good players.. icould go on about mayo playing d2 and etc...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: PBR... on February 24, 2009, 08:18:14 PM
Quote from: jabstep08 on February 24, 2009, 07:31:03 PM
Just wanted to point out some quick points about del val.  first, i wanna give coach stitzel all the credit in the world for doing a great job this year but he had a way better team than what the coach had last year top to bottom. stitzel kept 4 or 5 players from last years club and brought in eight new players dont know how many players were coming to the school before stitzel took over but with that being said he should have made the playoffs with the conference not being as strong as it was the year before...just want to get some feedback...also james jones lead the public league in scoring his senior year, when was the last time del val had a player like that besides pinkney and surrounded them with good players.. icould go on about mayo playing d2 and etc...

Huh?  ???   let me get this straight...a brand new coach...new school (not like he was an asst stepping up) brings in 8 new players to a new system he is installing....takes a team that won 0 games the previous year in the mac and you say he SHOULD have made the playoffs??????? what??? like it was expected he was going to make the playoffs? sorry pbr aint drinking the kool aid...stitzel did a fantastic job and part of being a good coach is getting players to buy into a system with that many new players and installing his system and making the playoffs in his first year coaching is phenominal. pbr just doesnt get how you say the mac is down and dvc was expected to make the playoffs with that many changes and an unproven coach? doesnt make sense but to each their own...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 24, 2009, 09:41:13 PM
Obviously Stitzel brought some  (maybe all) of the new  players in. He deserves credit for that and for getting his new players to buy in etc.... No one is doubting that. I don't necessarily agree with you that he was at a disadvantage by not being part of the DVC program before. He came in with a clean slate and a good story, and he went with it. Had he been an assistant, he would have had to explained 0-million and how he sat back and let it happen to every recruit. Also, I think he was able to forgo the usual obligations to inferior returners that many promoted coaches feel.

As for the league being down this year, I think that goes without saying. King's, Manhattanville, and Alvernia each lost massive chunks of their teams and were either rebuilding or merely just down. Manhattanville pulled off the rebuild, King's and Alvernia did not. They both had rough years, and that opened the door for Eastern, FDU, Del Val and Misericordia to take a run at playoff spots. Eastern and Del Val got there and should be congratulated, Misericordia and FDU did not get there.

All this to say, that the test of greatness is how something gets built for the long run. Maybe I'm old school on this, but I feel there is a significant difference between good and great, and if Stitzel stays at Del Val for ten to twelve years and builds a team that recruits and retains great players, graduates them in a timely fashion, and year in and year out competes for Conference titles and battles as a top team in the region, then use the word great.  Fair enough?

Looking forward to seeing what tomorrow night brings.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chizwiz on February 24, 2009, 09:44:07 PM
Naismith, you crack me up.  That was not only informative, but also comical.  I think it's important to point out how unsung players step up defensively, especially since stats don't show defensive skills as much as they do offensive.

PBR, I also agree with you on Stitzel.  He has done more than most would expect.  Not enough can be said about good recruiting, developing, and then keeping together a team during your first year.  And using freshmen as much as he did is very difficult.  Good job, Coach Stitzel.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: PBR... on February 24, 2009, 10:14:44 PM
Quote from: chairman on February 24, 2009, 09:41:13 PM
Obviously Stitzel brought some  (maybe all) of the new  players in. He deserves credit for that and for getting his new players to buy in etc.... No one is doubting that. I don't necessarily agree with you that he was at a disadvantage by not being part of the DVC program before. He came in with a clean slate and a good story, and he went with it. Had he been an assistant, he would have had to explained 0-million and how he sat back and let it happen to every recruit. Also, I think he was able to forgo the usual obligations to inferior returners that many promoted coaches feel.

As for the league being down this year, I think that goes without saying. King's, Manhattanville, and Alvernia each lost massive chunks of their teams and were either rebuilding or merely just down. Manhattanville pulled off the rebuild, King's and Alvernia did not. They both had rough years, and that opened the door for Eastern, FDU, Del Val and Misericordia to take a run at playoff spots. Eastern and Del Val got there and should be congratulated, Misericordia and FDU did not get there.

All this to say, that the test of greatness is how something gets built for the long run. Maybe I'm old school on this, but I feel there is a significant difference between good and great, and if Stitzel stays at Del Val for ten to twelve years and builds a team that recruits and retains great players, graduates them in a timely fashion, and year in and year out competes for Conference titles and battles as a top team in the region, then use the word great.  Fair enough?

Looking forward to seeing what tomorrow night brings.

we disagree then...dvc hoops team imho had a great year...as coach stitzel stated after the game "i couldnt ask anymore of this team they gave me everything they had". to me it doesnt mean that much that in your opinion the mac was down this year. point being dvc was brutal last year. a new hc and system and players, even coach mangus didnt work that kind of magic his first year. so we disagree and onto the next games....
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 24, 2009, 10:57:58 PM
Freedom being down is not an opinion.

I am happy for Del Val that they almost had a winning season. This is obviously a great improvement from where they were, and the coach is off to a good start.

Objectively, Del Val was 5-4 out of league. They beat PSU- Berks, PSU-Brandywine, PSU-Harrisburg, Lancaster Bible, and Arcadia.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 25, 2009, 01:23:42 AM
Chiz,

Back when I hung the very fist peach basket, I intended the game to be fun.

Glad you enjoyed the post.
The Nestles product list did not hotlink...maybe someone can fix that...I don't know.
Next week, I'll honor Hershey's Chocolate with a post..............

Drifting along, I think the Freedom should add a SIXTH MAN Award and  Defensive POY to their post season awards list.
Maybe something for playmaking as well.
Give some recognition to the skillsets that are often overlooked.
Suggestions Welcome.

Maybe we could do a top ZEBRA award .........Nah, No one would be nominated....LOL....Now we could try a WOZAD ( Worst Zebra Award)...he could get a one way ticket to SafariVille......and then star in a movie called SLUM ZEBRA  FULLOFHOTAIR....Ha Ha ...plenty of candidates for that lead role....

By the way, I failed to congratulate the Aggies on a fine season and a huge effort on the road.
Most of the DVC players will return and I am sure they will contend.
And special congrats to Jason Seipt....a fine senior season----------I don't think I ever saw Jason take a play off in 4 years.
Always gave 110% effort and, surrounded by some talented teammates, showed he really has some 'game'.

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Jon on February 25, 2009, 08:41:09 AM
Chairdude,

Normally I wouldn't applaud backhanded compliments, but that one made me laugh...-3 it is.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 25, 2009, 10:07:28 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on February 23, 2009, 11:39:58 PM
Quote from: kate on February 22, 2009, 10:23:20 AM
Sorry, CJ, but BEST luck to the Delaware Valley College Men's B'ball team tomorrow night when they take on the Wilke's Colonels in Wilkes Barre!  Heck, it's been FORTY years!  GO AGGIES!!!

Kate,

No offense.  ;)  Thank you, and you're welcome.

Yeah, it's been 40 years for Del Val, but I'll contend that the Wilkes streak of 8 years without a MAC Title (including 2 agonizingly close title games) has been more painful. 

And, really, we have to play at DeSales again?  Really?  We've seen this before. Like 3 other times in the past 6-7 seasons.  Somewhere, Greg Riley is dropping F bombs at the prospect of ANOTHER playoff game in Centre Valley.  I don't know if it's a "curse", but, here we go again.

I could be wrong... but Wilkes's win at home tonight... first home playoff win since the '01 MAC-F Championship against Scranton?  Ahhh, the glory days.  Remember when we had those purple jerks to kick around?


You miss us CJ???
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on February 25, 2009, 10:15:49 AM
Wilkes height and free throws did Del Val in, even though it seemed like the Aggies had the game in the bag.   Del Val led by 10 points with about 8 minutes left in the game.  Wilkes went on a 15-2 run and Del Val just went ice cold and could not score.  The Aggies hurried their shots down the stretch and let their lead and the game just get away from them.  Wilkes scored over half of their points from the FT line and out rebounded DV 54-29.  For once, Wilkes hit their fouls, with the game on the line, and the clock winding down.  I think Del Val's young squad might have felt the heat playing in the school's first playoff game in 40 years.  Coach Stitzel rode the officials and whined the whole game.  I believe he should have been T up a few times.  Hats off to him and his squad for the season they put together. I think the experience of play off action will serve the program well down the road.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 25, 2009, 01:18:28 PM
If there's one thing I love, it's single elimination tournaments.  This is the best time of the year. No doubt.  And you guys are probably wondering what my predictions are for upcoming matches.  Here we go:
- I like the winner of the Anthony Kim / KJ Choi 2nd Round match to go to the Final Four
- I'll take #13 seed Boo Weekley to win the Player Bracket
- I'll go chalk and take Mickelson to win his regional.
- Give me #15 seed Kevin Sutherland to win Tiger's bracket, and the whole thing!  A #15?  I must be mad!

Oh, you wanted basketball info... eh, I'm not gonna try to top Naismith.  I'll defer to the mustached gentleman.  He knows more about X's & O's, and he's funnier.  I will, however, set a gambling line.  Wilkes @ DeSales last month was 65-50.  Nothing changed.  Set the line at DSU -15...

Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 25, 2009, 10:07:28 AM
You miss us CJ???
NEPAFan, Scranton is like Tuberculosis.  If you're forunate enough to get rid of either of them, you don't miss them.  I'd rather a year's worth of days playing playoff games at that shoebox in Centre Valley, than 1 game in Scranton.  Take your "SAT Scores" chants from the student section, and hope that all those "like-minded academic institutions" care about them.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 25, 2009, 01:55:55 PM
T-Minus 24 minutes till Tiger tees off.

I'll have my feet up in the office watching that action till the King's women get here for a 6 PM tip.

Predictions
Jones Bracket - Woods (DUH!)
Hogan Bracket - Stricker
Player Bracket - Weekley (I'll jump on that bandwagon...dude cracks me up)
Snead Bracket - Kim (makes birdies - key in match play)

One basketball note...if DeSales is a shoebox...what are Eastern and Manhattanville?  Jewelry boxes?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 25, 2009, 02:38:58 PM
Match Boxes.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mailsy on February 25, 2009, 03:02:39 PM
That's good +1.  See Chair we are a friendlier group over on that CSAC thread.  ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 25, 2009, 03:36:01 PM
CJ,

Don't be surprised if DeSales gets Von Bulowed this evening-----A true "Reversal of Fortune"

Wilkes was in turmoil on the Bulldogs visit north.  Steve 'Claus' Kline sat and  and Kendall "Sunny" Hinze was food poisoned to a position on the bench.  On the return trip, Coach JR Dershowitz had yet to change tactics..... DeSales opened on a 14-0 run....game -set- match.......
But, tonight the Colonels have a chance to win on appeal. Coach JRD has made some changes. The offense has been revamped and the defense tweaked a bit. Judge Coval was seen in the building Monday taking notes.

It is a tall order......one might think it is an "Insanity Plea"......but stranger things have happened in the Freedom.

Naismith



Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on February 25, 2009, 01:18:28 PM
If there's one thing I love, it's single elimination tournaments.  This is the best time of the year. No doubt.  And you guys are probably wondering what my predictions are for upcoming matches.  Here we go:
- I like the winner of the Anthony Kim / KJ Choi 2nd Round match to go to the Final Four
- I'll take #13 seed Boo Weekley to win the Player Bracket
- I'll go chalk and take Mickelson to win his regional.
- Give me #15 seed Kevin Sutherland to win Tiger's bracket, and the whole thing!  A #15?  I must be mad!

Oh, you wanted basketball info... eh, I'm not gonna try to top Naismith.  I'll defer to the mustached gentleman.  He knows more about X's & O's, and he's funnier.  I will, however, set a gambling line.  Wilkes @ DeSales last month was 65-50.  Nothing changed.  Set the line at DSU -15...

Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 25, 2009, 10:07:28 AM
You miss us CJ???
NEPAFan, Scranton is like Tuberculosis.  If you're forunate enough to get rid of either of them, you don't miss them.  I'd rather a year's worth of days playing playoff games at that shoebox in Centre Valley, than 1 game in Scranton.  Take your "SAT Scores" chants from the student section, and hope that all those "like-minded academic institutions" care about them.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 25, 2009, 04:47:00 PM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on February 25, 2009, 01:18:28 PM
- Give me #15 seed Kevin Sutherland to win Tiger's bracket, and the whole thing!  A #15?  I must be mad!
Aaaaaand Kevin Sutherland just lost... but he took a 2 seed to 19 holes!  Can I take Anthony Kim now??

On with the hoops.  Nais - let's hope you're on to something.  I saw the game at Leb Val, and wasn't captivated.  That was, however, without DeRojas.  It's a different squad at full strength, which hopefully Wilkes is tonight.

BJ - total non-sequitur here, but congrats on your girl LeighAnn Burke getting a SECOND Jostens bid.  That's damn impressive. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on February 25, 2009, 04:59:28 PM
CJ4L:

Do you ever pine for the days of Panko and Grabowski 3:16? When Jags was banned -- multiple times -- from this room? When the Burdett brothers rode around in style? When the College of Charleston-to-Wilkes transfer was trying to find the Wilkes campus and Rickrode's office (rumor has it that he's still wandering 'round the Coal Regions)?

Advise soonest ....
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 26, 2009, 12:26:54 AM
CJ4Life...sorry no going back on your picks now.  You pick a #15 seed, you have to stick with him.  Thru thick and thin.  I missed all the results...did our boy Weekley make it thru to Thursday's action.  Hope so.  Tiger looked good.  I wish my game could reach 1/20th of what his is.  For example on #1 today he hits his approach shot and looks as angry as ever as he watches it fly to the green.  Next thing you know its about 6 feet away.  Guess he wanted a tap in.  Later in the round he calls "FORE RIGHT" on I think it was #9 tee.  Ball hits the fairway and bounces 4-5 feet into the rough.  So apparently FORE RIGHT for Tiger is him yelling at the rough...cause usually his ball doesn't find the rough.  UNBELIEVABLE.

OK enough golf (although that statement makes no sense to me cause I can't get enough golf in my life.)

CJ...thanks for the Burke congraulatory remark.  Much appreciated.  She is a terrific player and an extraordinary person.  She'll be a friend of mine long after she graduates from DeSales.  And I'll be proud to be able to call her my friend.  Wonderful kid.  Not sure what her chances of winning that Jostens Trophy is, but she is well deserving if they pick her the winner.

As for tonight...sorry to disappoint the board, who almost 100% picked Wilkes to find a way.  Bulldogs played well, made shots, did the little things and are back in the title game.  Now we just need to figure out the trick to winning that thing they call a championship.

Stat of the night...DeSales has now won nine straight and 11-of-12 over the Colonels.  I know that's gonna make a lot of you "570ers" scratch your head and say really!!!  I was shocked myself when I saw that stat in my preparation for media notes yesterday.

Hope you all continue to conversate with me despite the loss tonight.  I am gonna need someone to talk with.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 26, 2009, 02:42:35 AM
It's late, and the board is a little sleepy, but I'll throw a quick word out for those who were not able to be at the game in Purchase tonight.

1)  Manhattanville will remain a tough place to play
2) It seems only right that a gym have roughly comparable rims at the two ends.
3) If a crew is going to call 13 offensive fouls in a game, then it seems only fitting that they would protect the offensive players by calling hand-checking and reaching in as well.
4) A college gym should have two scoreboards
5) Trevoy Pointer hit two big three pointers late.
6) I think teams should be allowed to bring a portable lighting unit for the second half.
7)  Eastern is young, and they played like it at times.
8) It was really cool to see a fan bus with 50 kids make the midweek trip to see the game.
9) Free throws are really important late in games, and experience and skill combine to result in effectiveness on that.


Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mid-range j on February 26, 2009, 11:10:32 AM
its only fair for me to back that up now chair..

1. stop crying..if you would have won more regular season games then you wouldnt have to complain about manhattanvilles home gym..because you would have been playing in your own matchbox
2. first half was herendous on both ends (mville 12 TO's, eastern 16TO's)
3. Foul Calls - 23 on eastern 22 on mville - if they werent calling hand checks than why didnt eastern do it right back?
4. Soaries and Tucker are both great players - Soaries hit some unbelieveable shots under pressure and they are both going to be a handful for years to come..jason reels is also a strong player himself but had a lot of turnovers yesterday but hes prob one of the best in the conference at drawing contact and still getting the shot off..
5. Even though those guys are great. TREVOY POINTER proved he should be rookie of the year. LOOK IT UP...2 three's in crucnch time as freshmen?  cmon now, lets get serious!
6. Bring a flashlight next game if you are unhappy..
7. Eastern and mville played young at times


8.  eastern brought  a fan bus which was awesome and it made kennedy a battlefield..the fans were great

9. jus a little advice - you shouuldnt bring a cheerleading squad and circle at center court of the home team before the game..its only going to fire up the the valiants even more
10.. if you want to come on here and trash a school it shouldnt be a bitter time after you cant pull off a semi-final win


now its off to desales in which should be a great match up..
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 26, 2009, 02:19:34 PM
I'm sure Chairman will have a retort as soon as he wakes up.

He must've hit the snooze button a couple of times after that 2:42 a.m. post.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: G-manWU on February 26, 2009, 05:27:45 PM
Sorry I haven't been on here much- work and grad school has kept me pretty well tied up, and there's been plenty of news out of the Formula 1 world to follow and write about. I did manage to catch a few Wilkes games down the stretch, including the home game vs. King's and the game at Miseri.

I have zero passion for golf, so I won't even attempt to join that part of the conversation.....

Disappointing to see what has become a familliar ending for Wilkes- it was the same finale in my freshman and senior seasons of working with the team. Despite losing Kilne and Defeo, Wilkes will still have some very good parts returning next year, and hopefully they can finally put a good postseason run together. Since I haven't seen any of the other contenders this year, I won't make any statement about the upcoming title game.

BJ- I remember that last win over DSU quite well., Dave "buzzcut" Christman draining 3's, but we did just enough to hang on. In terms of great road wins from my time with Wilkes, it sits on the figurative shelf right next to the football wins at Widener from 2004 and 2006, along with the 2004 Mayor's Cup game that ended in a score of 12-6. Classic.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 26, 2009, 05:52:55 PM
I think Herendous coached at Cabrini last year.

Seriously, the gym is very loud, and the intensity of the crowd being right on top of the game is a great challenge. that and a three hour bus ride make Home-court advantage what you work for in season. I am sure the number one lesson of the night is "Let's not drop two games at home and a silly one at FDU next year, and then we can be at home." You are spot on there.

I think Manhattanville will be a tough place to win even with lights, two scoreboards, and non-church league rims (My guess is that the rims will be replaced for next year. If they were both soft, or both rock hard, then fine, but you can't have one that is barely attached and the other that doesn't give at all. It looks a little dubious that the rim the visiting team shoots on in the second half is in the dark end of the gym and is the tough rim. Although maybe it's because all the open gym time--where kids hang on the rim -- is spent at the end of the gym where the lights work.).I would think a program with their success would demand a little more of their facility.

Band boxes are band boxes, and many schools are tied financially or historically to a small facility. Eastern is in that spot, so I understand that completely. On the other hand the facility issues raised, are not issues that haven't been fixed because of lack of funds or the historical significance of the building. It is either a lack of pressure from within the basketball program or from the associations to which they belong, I believe that there will be pressure from the latter forthcoming.

Defense wasn't the issue for Eastern, but I was referring more to the way the game in general went. You said the first half was herendous [sic] and I concur. The game was 14-13 after fifteen minutes because the only fouls the officials were calling were offensive fouls or hacks on guys taking lay ups. I think Eastern did adjust, but the 40 + turnovers in the game were in large part the result of the teams being able to do everything short of pulling a knife on defense. One M'ville defender actually drew blood with a swipe at the ball that hit Tucker in the face.

On the other hand, 13 offensive fouls?
My point on that, is that if you are going to let the defense do that, don't call an offensive foul when a guy pivots to create space for himself. If the officials don't protect the guys with the ball, they should be allowed to protect themselves. Pujols was killing it inside because he was stronger than the guys reaching, but he got called for three offensive fouls and had to sit down.  On each of the three, the defensive player did not take a charge, but was reaching in as he pivoted with strength.

I give props to Pointer-- Thought I did this last night, but I'll do it again-- he hit two big shots from the corner in a big moment. If Basketball works the way the rest of the sports do, ROY is a regular season award. If they beat DeSales in Allentown, maybe he will get MVP of the Conference Tournament.

My opinion on that is that Tucker should get it. That is no slight to Pointer, because he is clearly in the top group of rookie players in the league, but my opinion is that through the year Tucker's length and variety of skills gives him a game-changing dynamic that sets him apart. The coaches vote for it, so we will see what they say, and I think both players have a great future, and any one of the three could be a good choice.

Are you saying the cheerleaders shouldn't have circled center court? Or are you saying they should not have come at all? If they did the first, then I agree with you. If it is their presence you disagree with,  then we have a difference of opinion. I think it was great that they were leading cheers FOR our team. I don't recall ever hearing any anti-M'ville cheers coming from them, and I find it difficult to believe that your crowd would have been quieter had they not come.They made the choice to travel to a playoff game, and I thought they did a great job adding to the environment of the game.

So the bottom line is this. Manhattanville won 12 conference games in the regular season, they earned home court advantage in the playoffs and they executed down the stretch to advance to the Conference final. They earned the home game and they earned the win. The game had tremendous energy and atmosphere, that I thought was diminished by officiating that left players with the ball at a massive disadvantage. I don't believe there will ever be a thirty point game between Eastern and Manhattanville again. Last night's game and the young talent on both sides sets up a nice (terrible word choice, but I'm leaving it in)  rivalry for years to come.

Oh, and Lefty, I didn't hit snooze; I just slept right through it.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mid-range j on February 26, 2009, 06:46:29 PM
I'd reply but I have only had time to get through the first couple of paragraphs of this novel so far, so I'll get back to you in a few hours...

I'm gonna go get myself some popcorn..be back soon!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 26, 2009, 07:35:07 PM
Nice.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 26, 2009, 08:17:00 PM
Chair,

I'm bringing you back to even par for the herendous bit. 

I didn't get it until the second reference, then I almost chuckled out loud.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 26, 2009, 08:42:05 PM
I do what I can.
I didn't get to sleep until nearly four, on many days I see stuff like that and bite my "tongue," but not today.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 26, 2009, 09:21:30 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on February 25, 2009, 04:59:28 PM
CJ4L:

Do you ever pine for the days of Panko and Grabowski 3:16? When Jags was banned -- multiple times -- from this room? When the Burdett brothers rode around in style? When the College of Charleston-to-Wilkes transfer was trying to find the Wilkes campus and Rickrode's office (rumor has it that he's still wandering 'round the Coal Regions)?

Advise soonest ....

Warren,
I was at your old grounds on Saturday.  Saw the '94 Title, smiled, and thought about the glory days.  What I miss the most is probably national relevance.  The Wilkes / Leb Val game on Saturday was 10 years, almost to the day, of the '99 MAC (not Freedom... straight MAC) Championship.  Both teams were (a) going to the NCAA's, win or lose, (b) had an All-American, (c) had recent Walnut & Bronze in the house.  Wilkes - Leb Val was always fun.  Wilkes - F&M was always fun.  Wilkes - Scranton was, well, Wilkes-Scranton.  And Wilkes- King's didn't matter. 

Then, there was Saturday.  Wilkes was resting starters for a 4 vs. 5 playoff game.  Leb Val was waiting to end a 4-8 Commonwealth season.  There were 5 kids all decked out in body paint supporting a Leb Val player who wouldn't have made the team 15 seasons ago.  There is still a segment of the population that has the passion for college basketball.  The consistent national irrelevance of the teams causes the fervent fandom to be irrelevant.

Back in '99, there were still legit seasons to come.  Wilkes had 2001 - the 5th MAC / Freedom championship in 6 seasons, and a #1 national ranking for a week on D3Hoops here.  Leb Val still had your boy John David, and some solid years left.  I'm not sure what the solution is - I'm not even sure what the problem is.

To answer your question, Warren, I miss the glory days.  Desperately. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 26, 2009, 09:34:04 PM
Quote from: BJ - DSU SID on February 26, 2009, 12:26:54 AM
As for tonight...sorry to disappoint the board, who almost 100% picked Wilkes to find a way. 

BJ - Re-read my post.  If I picked Wilkes, it was only if I was getting 15.  At last check, we covered.  ;)

As I said above, if there's disappointment, it's not necessarily that Wilkes didn't win the Freedom or make the NCAA's.  The problem is that we're now USED TO not making NCAA's.  Wilkes lost a 1 - 4 game at DeSales for the 3rd time in 7 years.  And, of the smattering of Wilkes fans that made the trip, there were no obscenities... no disbelief.  Comments like, "Well, it's closer than it was last season..." really don't help.

I can't figure the problem is coaching here.  Coach Rickrode was the mastermind behind all the successes from '92 to '02.  And, last night, there were plenty of open looks and free throws that the players just didn't make.  A coach can't make the shots, he can just design the offense that gets you wide open - which happened plenty last night.

I still just miss the days when a 1 vs. 4 playoff game meant King's or Lycoming was coming to the Marts Center for a 25 point thrashing... hope we see it again.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mid-range j on February 26, 2009, 10:01:41 PM
They should really get a spell checker on here!  :P

I'm back and I FINALLY finished reading chairmans post and all i read was  :'(  :'(  :'(...

eastern is in the past,so im going to move on..

darnell braswell in my opinion is the conference player of the year, he can do it all..he can score, rebound, has a smooth offensive game, and is very sound on the defensive end.. doesnt need much room to get his shot off..lapinski is always trouble and hunter is very solid..

bj- say mville beats desales..do u think that desales has any chance at an at large bid?

the game should be a good battle..both mens and womens..like ive said in earlier posts i think that desales is a great team who is well coached..
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 26, 2009, 10:37:10 PM
CJ4Life...my bad, you did ask for the 15 points.  So that does make your prediction right.

I guess times have changed.  I was a student during the days of Andy Panko and Dave Januzzi.  And I can't say I've seen players like that in a long time.  I certainly have enjoyed the recent run of DeSales success (men and women).  Would really enjoy seeing them both finish this season off the right way, with the men finding out just how to win that final game.

Mid-Range...thanks for Braswell compliments.  He is a special player.  Has had a great season, but I know if I asked Darnell that question, his answer would be that his season is only as good as the result on Saturday.  He's one of those kids that cares more about a "W" on the scoreboard than the total points next to his name.

Do I think DeSales is Pool "C" worthy this season?  To be honest no one in the DeSales camp is thinking about that.  We've been too close too many times to getting the automatic bid.  We can't start thinking "what if" over these next few days.  Ask me that on Saturday night and (with all due respect to your squad), I hope my answer is we don't need it.

I do know this...on the men's side, DeSales and Manhattanville are both really, really good defensive teams.  1-2 in the conference in points per game and I believe both entered the week ranked among the top 10 in the nation in points per game allowed.  If you want offense on Saturday, you might want to stay home.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mid-range j on February 26, 2009, 10:44:54 PM
Wow, did not know that stat about top ten in the nation in points allowed per game. 

Yes we will see on Saturday, and dont worry I dont take offense to that..every team should have that mentality..
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 26, 2009, 11:45:34 PM
Mid-Range ...

I think Braswell will receive POTY honors. I also don't think DeSales will need a Pool C bid. If the game were to be played in Purchase, I'd put M'ville as a two point favorite. My impression is that DeSales is much less of a home court advantage, but the time on a bus alone is an edge.

I also think DeSales will be able to hit free throws in the second half.

Manhattanville at home 55.23 points allowed. Manhattanville on the road 64 points per game allowed. In nine games against league opponents at home they allowed 52 points. In eight games on the road, 62.75.

My guess is that if DeSales hits 70% from the foul line they will win by 12. They can make it closer if they miss their foul shots.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mid-range j on February 27, 2009, 09:23:23 AM
Yea those are some good stats, but honestly you can throw all those stats out the window in the playoffs, anyone could beat anyone, you watch the NCAA tournaments every year dont you? 

I can understand you saying that Mville wont score, or they are real young to pull it off, but to put their defense out there?  Thats a little absurd, when that has been their strong point the whole season.  They pressure teams, wear them down and it doesnt matter if it is on the road or if its at home..62 points per game on the road? i'll take that anyday of the week..

Again, I guess only time will tell..and as far bus rides, we dont complain about that..we take over 2 hour trips all season long...but thats your prediciton and thats fine,  i know the guys like the challenge, the valiants will hopefully prove everyone wrong again just like we were picked pre-season #6...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Jon on February 27, 2009, 10:46:18 AM
Quote from: mid-range j on February 26, 2009, 10:01:41 PM
They should really get a spell checker on here!  :P

I'm back and I FINALLY finished reading chairmans post and all i read was  :'(  :'(  :'(...

Mid-Range, I've been keeping up with your back and forth with the Chairdude and have to say I think your assessment of his "novel" is off base...and for that you get smited.

Sure he's biased...aren't we all?  I thought he did a great job of explaining his opinion on the game.  I don't get the sense he was saying the officials cost them the game, he's just pointing to what he felt were inconsistencies in philosophy.

I gotta be honest, I'm in agreement with him on the rim situation.  I'm not sure how that's not addressed.  It's essentially like making one rim four inches wider at one end.

And yes, spellchecker would be nice.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 27, 2009, 10:55:35 AM
Quote from: Jon on February 27, 2009, 10:46:18 AM
I gotta be honest, I'm in agreement with him on the rim situation.  I'm not sure how that's not addressed.  It's essentially like making one rim four inches wider at one end.

I've only seen the place on video, but from I've heard and read, I would think they could come up with a donor to splurge for a new rim - or at least a wrench.

I can picture the plaque on the backboard - "This rim a gift of M-RJ."
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mid-range j on February 27, 2009, 12:06:40 PM
Jon, I didnt assess his novel, if i did i would have spent half my day doing so..but its fine, the chairbro can say whatever he wants, thats what makes our country the best in the world, we all have freedom of speech, or press for this matter...so fine, the rims are bad, the lights are bad, there were 13 offensive fouls, maybe someone can raise some money for a new rim, but its over now, its old news, maybe you should move onto spring sports now and stop worrying about manhattanvilles rims..

lefty - that would be great, but my funds are low right now  :P..
we're in the middle of tough economic times..ya know?

just another stat for the chairdoodle, if its so much of a home court advantage why do we score more points on the road then we do at home  66ppg on the road 62ppg at home..?

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: MOst7 on February 27, 2009, 05:04:34 PM
Glory Days...hmmmm. is that what they call the years, albeit and congrats to the 10 years, and a few conference titles and one run to the final four...but ok..at that level against a D3 schedule..we can call it , and better said...Wilkes Glory Days.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Jon on February 27, 2009, 08:04:32 PM
mid-range,

The schedule has been demanding my attention to spring sports for a full week tomorrow, and with teams en route to their spring break destinations the demand will only escalate.  I believe that I will have at least one more winter sports event in me since I am fairly confident that the women's team will receive an ECAC bid.  Probably not a preseason goal, but I think valuable none the less for a young program.

Quote from: mid-range j on February 27, 2009, 12:06:40 PM
...so fine, the rims are bad, the lights are bad, there were 13 offensive fouls, maybe someone can raise some money for a new rim, but its over now, its old news, maybe you should move onto spring sports now and stop worrying about manhattanvilles rims..

I'm not sure it's the old news you claim unless there are plans for a remedy.  Unfortunately, rim similarity is only a recommendation at the Division III level.  The NCAA requires at the first division and recommends at the next two that rims be tested once before the season and once before the postseason for rebound elasticity with parameters of 35-50 percent absorption (admittedly I'm not sure how to measure that) and no more than a five percent differential between baskets on the same court.  I'm fairly confident that the latter is not the case in Kennedy.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 28, 2009, 10:07:41 AM
Jon. The league is aware of the issue with the rims. (The Commissioner was at the games the other night and I pointed it out to him during the Alvernia women's game. I think there will be some recommendations that will be acted upon before next year.

As I look back on it, I feel that if it was accidental, it should have been fixed-- you would think that one of the coaches would have made some demands on plant ops or whoever can fix that. If it was on purpose, well that's kind of embarrassing.

Mid Range-

On the bus ride, I didn't say it was impossible to overcome, but I think it is pretty easy to see that your team is a much better team without the bus ride. No one is complaining it is just a statement of fact.

On to today, Manhattanville can score what they score. They typically put up numbers in the 60's at home and maybe a little bit better numbers on the road. If DeSales scores 70, my opinion is that it is a Bulldog win. I think they will shoot 30-35 free throw attempts, and as I said before, I think they win. Hunter (12-13 fts, 20 pts, 5 assists and 2 to's)  will be player of the game.

On their defense, I saw Manhattanville give up 73 in a game where EU took their foot off the gas late. I just don't think it is quite as good on the road. On referee decides he's going to call hand checking -- I remember when that was supposed to be a point of emphasis-- or tries to clean up the post, and what is called good defense at home is called a free throw fest on the road. Pretty sure your same crew of NY boys won't be working the final.

We are looking forward to the fall.



Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 28, 2009, 10:44:04 AM
Quote from: chairman on February 28, 2009, 10:07:41 AM
We are looking forward to the fall.

Did I miss spring?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 28, 2009, 11:37:17 AM
The preseason polls for the Spring have been released. Those teams will all get better, (Baseball and MLAX are first year coaches who will build programs quickly) but with the exception of WLAX this spring could be a little rough across the board.

We are looking forward to the fall.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 28, 2009, 05:52:49 PM
Missed the game today, but it looks like I might know something about something. I missed on the Championship MVP-- Hunter missed too many free throws, but 72-58 was pretty close.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 28, 2009, 06:53:49 PM
Quote from: chairman on February 28, 2009, 10:07:41 AM
Jon. The league is aware of the issue with the rims. (The Commissioner was at the games the other night and I pointed it out to him during the Alvernia women's game.

In the words of the famous philosopher - Mike Brady - "Nobody likes a tattletale, Chair."
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chizwiz on February 28, 2009, 07:32:51 PM
Mid-range,

I don't make a habit of defending Chair as I feel that he states his case pretty plainly.  I fully agree with chair's statements, especially the several points he made about the game and especially his "novel".   On a side note, that "novel" only took me 15 seconds to read, so give me a break.  You were only calling it such because his persuasive argument was too hard for you to counter.  Mid, I know you don't like to read long paragraphs, so here is your chance to take a nap, smoke, drink, or whatever it is you do to rest your weary mind . . .

Chair is correct about the rim issue.  I would venture to say that M'ville will want to fix them before next season.  About 4-5 years ago, EU's rims were getting like that, and people complained and it was fixed.  Simple solution.  (and Jon, there is a special tool made for measuring basketball rims for just this purpose)  Frankly, college ball isn't YMCA ball, but it sure feels like it at the Kennedy.  While some people can say that EU's gym isn't much better, I would argue that it isn't the capacity, but the other little things that make a difference.  M'ville can fix it's problems so that they are just like everybody else's place if they work on the lighting, the rims, and do a better job of keeping the fans from intimidating and grabbing at the visiting team on the way to the locker room, to name a few.

And I will repeat what I said to the great M'ville fans I got to speak with at the EU/M'ville game this week - You do have a great gym.  I like the atmosphere, the seating, and the whole experience.

It could be a really great place to go lose a game if these small problems are fixed.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mid-range j on March 01, 2009, 12:04:03 PM
chairman - props to you on your prediciton last night  - i give credit where credit is due, you were on point with your predicitions for the most part

desales played a great game, no excuses on this side, they shot the lights out and braswell proved to be the difference and the reason why he should be the player of the year, desales is a great program..lapinski was very emotional and into this game, he played with fire and energy and really had a look like "i am not losing a championship game again" - so congrats to desales and i hope they represent our conference in the big dance

the game was close the whole time while there were several lead changes throughout, desales shot the hell out of the ball (they had 21 turnovers so it made there field goal perctange look better) but regardless they shot the ball excpetionally well and had a run in the second half that proved to be the difference..they got out in transition and made some easy layups off mville bad shots and turnovers..

for mville, wesly wicks really played his heart out and its said to see his season and career come to an end..if anyone has had the chance to see him play he is one of the quickest guards in the conference and can get to the rim at will, his on the ball defense gives opposing point guards a real problem and i congratulate him on a great career

i think desales has our vote for trevoy pointer being picked rookie of the year...(i know im going to hear it from the chair on this one) he proved it in the playoffs and he proved it last night..its not just his offense, but his defense is something else..he played big in big games, his team has a better record, he has almost identical numbers to tucker, annd i think the difference is his defense..(its just my opinion so dont get all crazy)

once again congrats to desales as they really earned it, but congrats to mville as well on a great seson where nobody thought this would be the case...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: PBR... on March 02, 2009, 10:10:41 AM
congrats to all teams...it was a fun season and great to see dvc finally being able to give a game to long time powers in the league. (first dvc tries for a national championship in wrestling this week)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach K on March 02, 2009, 10:47:59 AM
Congratulations to the DeSales men and women on winning the Freedom Conference. Coach Coval, the rest of the staff, and the players did a great job this season! Good luck in the NCAA tournament!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: larry_u on March 02, 2009, 04:38:48 PM
Can someone post your NCAA team's profiles in here:

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=6299.0
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chizwiz on March 04, 2009, 08:53:07 PM
Congrats to all who made the All-Conference team.  It seemed pretty strong.  Congrats to Coach Coval and Trevoy Pointer in winning COY and ROY, respectively.

Without sounding like sour grapes or raining on Pointer's parade, would somebody please explain to me how Pointer was voted as ROY?  I just did a comparison of the stats between the two players, and Trevoy doesn't match up well.  Is there something I missed?  I'm thinking the MAC coaches maybe ignored the stats and voted based on something else.  I would like people's opinions on what that was.

Player            FG%    3FG%    FT%    PPG    RPG    Steals    Blocks    AST/TO    MPG    Starts
Tyrik Tucker    49.8      40       76      13.5    5.4     16     41          0.41       29.3     26
Trevoy Pointer  45.8   26.2       77.8    12.4    3.1     36   5           0.46       24.9      4

Anybody?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on March 04, 2009, 09:31:38 PM
I'm going to chalk it up to midrange's effective campaigning on the board.

Seriously though. I am curious to see if the post-season impacted coach's voting on this. Pointer hit a pair of huge shots against Eastern and by all appearances kept the Valiants in the game for a half with 18 in the first twenty minutes at DeSales.

Chiz, I agree with you, but I think we have seen Tucker quite a bit. My impression is 1) he was unmistakable on Eastern's team, and 2) he possesses a skill set that is unique in the league. His game got better as the year went on, and that is really encouraging for Eastern supporters. I anticipate next year he will check point guards and power forwards on defense, and that added muscle will boost his rebounding numbers up to around eight or nine a game.

Pointer and Tucker were both the second leading scorers on playoff teams. I am not sure you could say Pointer was undeserving-- remember 25% of his season was spent shooting in the dark at the rim of doom-- and he still scored over 12 points per game. The starts number doesn't mean much. Pointer played the big minutes for the Valiants.

It would be interesting to see how the Katz/ Williams factor influenced the voting as well I am sure those two got a couple votes as well.

The way I would look at ROY would be to ask the coaches, if you were picking your team for the next three years based on the performance of the player this year, who would be your first pick. If that is the question, I think every coach in the league takes Tucker. If you ask the question, Which Freshman contributed to the success of his team the most, then I think it is a wash except M'ville had two more wins, and maybe Pointer wins.

Either way, I think the EU v. M'ville rivalry will be pretty interesting for the next four years.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chizwiz on March 05, 2009, 07:56:53 AM
That brings a little light to the situation, Chair.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopzwiz on March 05, 2009, 11:13:48 AM
Tucker had more offensive help, its that simple.
Manhattanille had a good year but its seems to me that Pointer made nearly every big shot for them.

They are going to be a scary team in the next few years.

Hey Chiz, how does a nice score keeper like you get a karma total like that?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on March 05, 2009, 01:05:27 PM
Hoopwiz... Chiz is trying to turn over a new leaf-- don't antagonize him.

I am a little surprised to hear you say Tucker had more offensive help. In my way of looking at things, the 'offensive help' couldn't be more similar.

Eastern started two players who combined to average 5.7 points per game-- and it was only that high because Manhattanville let Kaiser go for 20 in the game at Eastern. M'ville starts two guys who average a combined 4.3 points per game.
M'ville gets 15 a game out of Glass and Rodriguez, Eastern gets 15 a game out of Pujols, Wright, and Whipple.

You would have to consider Reels and Wicks (both second teamers averaging about 13 ppg) to be comparable "offensive help" and Laroche and Martin Soaries both averaged exactly 10.7 points per game-- LaRoche scored 289 points in 27 games and Soaries 279 in 26.

In the games I saw them both play, Pointer got his points on spot up shots and lay-ins in transition. Tucker created his own shot off the dribble. Not to diminish the play-calling, but the two big shots he hit against Eastern in the semi-final were on wide open looks on kick out passes. The second one came off a double screen on the baseline.

The 'more offensive help' theory doesn't work.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mid-range j on March 05, 2009, 03:00:25 PM
i think we all know that the rookie of the year was between pointer and tucker..offensively and statistically they are nearly identical..yes, tucker started but that doesnt mean anything in the scheme of things because they averaged nearly the same amount of minutes..here is what i have to say (if anyone cares)

tucker is a great player and was probably runner up to pointer because of a few reasons...the number one thing is defense, i dont know how many times you have seen trevoy play this year but his defense is incredible, he shut down some major players, including dejoras, jones, and braswell (first game) this year when he was in the game (lamar glass who is also excepetional on D also had the responsibility of guarding these top players as well so we have to give him some recognition as well), nothing against tuckers defense who is also good and probably has better steals and blocks numbers, but i think the coaches of the conference really saw tp lock down players...

the next reason is strength of schedule, like i said mville didnt play a weak non conference schedule and tp had to put these numbers and great games up against some of the top teams in the country, and thats why his numbers might be slightly below tuckers...

next, tp's playoff performances topped it off, he had 18 points in the first half against desales and some people could say that he single handedly kept mville in the game, he hits big shots, plays with unbelievable poise, especially as a freshman, and had a great season with a better team record than the contenders he was going against..

chairman, i guess my "campaigning" was effective..hah
so like i said pointer was deserving of the award and he won it, the coaches of the conference thought the same thing, so i guess i am right about something...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on March 05, 2009, 04:58:15 PM
Mid-range--

Strength of schedule would be a good argument if Tyrik had racked up big numbers against some of the softer teams on the schedule. The argument loses strength when you see that Tucker scored 225 points in league for a 14.1 ppg average and 125 points in 10 non-league games for a 12.5 ppg average.

I would say that Pointer might be a better man to man defender, but Tucker can do a lot of different things in the defenses, and he caught on very quickly to several different defensive schemes.

I think you are right about the two being the top two vote-getters, although we have no way of knowing. I am sure both coaches are looking forward to building around their rookies for the next three years.

This is an interesting question for you though. Which of the two do you think has a better chance of becoming a player of the year in the next three years? I don't begrudge Pointer the award because he had a great freshman year on a winning team, I think you wouldn't have had a complaint if Tucker had received it either.

How's that rim coming?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mid-range j on March 05, 2009, 05:15:40 PM
In all honesty, I think that Trevoy has a better chance, but I guess we will just have to wait and see..I don't think you really got the chance to see him play, the kid is special.

Both Tucker and TP's league numbers are similiar just like their overall numbers, and NO the argument doesnt lose strength because TP's numbers would have been even better if he didnt play tough teams like Middlebury, RIC, William patterson, and the list goes on..unlike eastern, mville loaded their schedule and i think that is the main reason why they beat eastern in the playoffs, not because of some lame excuse like the rims or refs..

SOOO heres an interesting question for you..is eastern going to schedule another cupcake non-conference schedule for next year or are they going to grow some MARBLES and take on some real teams? or is it not the "time and place"?

Congrats to Tucker on a great season..
and congrats to TP on the well deserved Rookie of the Year..
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on March 05, 2009, 05:33:37 PM
Apples to Apples 14.1 in vs. 12.8 for the 16 league games. Even with the rim of doom factored in It is still at best an even exchange or a slight edge to Tucker.

We will see. I think they will both be all-league fixtures for the next three years, but I would go the other way; 6'5 vs 6'2... Pointer will get stronger, but I predict Tucker's increase in strength will mean more as he will likely become a much better inside player.

Eastern's schedule wound up weaker than it was supposed to be, but I know that they are adding a couple top games for next year, but scheduling is typically done in multi-year cycles, so they won't turn the whole thing over.


Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chizwiz on March 05, 2009, 09:51:13 PM
Hoopz, thanks for the compliment.  I did take great pleasure and pride in doing a good job as a scorekeeper.  About the karma, as you have seen, I make some inflammatory statements, so some people will -karma me.  Pretty understandable.

Midrange, you have an interesting argument on the ROY.  I give props to TP.  But I don't think TP is going to outplay Tucker or Soaries next year.

Also, just as it is difficult for a coach to accurately estimate how good his team will be 2 years from now when he is scheduling a 2-year contract with another team, it is almost impossible for a coach to estimate the strength of its opponents 2 years down the road.  Sure, M'ville had a tough schedule.  EU's will not be easy next year.  I hope M'ville, DeSales, King's, EU, and everyone else in the conference have respectable schedules and win all the non-con games as it will make people pay more attention to the MAC-Freedom, like they do to the WIAC, NESCAC, and CCIW.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on March 05, 2009, 10:51:17 PM
Congrats to DeSales on a first round win. Best of Luck at Ithaca.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on March 06, 2009, 12:08:02 AM
Thanks Chairman.  You guys should have saved your energy, stopped the arguing over Pointer/Tucker and made your way down to Billera Hall tonight for the first-ever Men's NCAA game there.

Great atmosphere, packed house, terrific game.

Bulldogs continue to play well.  Survive and advance.  On to Ithaca we go.  This time of year, you don't get a game off, so we are gonna have to come to play once again on Saturday vs. a well rested Bombers squad.  Should be fun.

For the record.  Pointer vs. Tucker.  They are both really, really good players.  Can we just leave it that.  In three years when they are both seniors, no one is gonna care who won ROY.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chizwiz on March 06, 2009, 05:54:28 PM
Congrats to DeSales on last night's win.  Looking forward to seeing a win posted on Saturday and wish I could go.  Couldn't go last night even though I wanted to go and scream for my conference.  Keep it up, you have at least one more rooting for you this NCAA championship.

BJ, I know, I should leave the ROY argument alone, but it hurts to see a guy I know real well not get something I think he deserved.  No matter now.  I'm not arguing it anymore.  Looking forward to seeing both Tucker and Pointer develop.  They are both going to be very fun to watch for another three seasons I hope.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on March 07, 2009, 10:30:03 PM
Another good win for DeSales. Congrats.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on March 07, 2009, 11:16:46 PM
Good win doesn't do it justice.  Amazing Win.

Darnell Braswell was the best player on the court tonight and that included All-American Sean Burton, whom Braswell guarded all night.

I have thought this all season, but I think Braswell's name now needs to be mentioned with the other top guards in the country.

We, in Center Valley, are all looking forward to some more basketball next weekend.  The fun continues.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ronk on March 07, 2009, 11:37:06 PM
  Congrats on the road victory. You've got an interesting argument for who's hosting the sectional with 2 Mass and 2 Pa schools with UM-D and F&M nearly equal seeding-wise. I've seen some recent video of UM-D and they're pretty solid.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on March 08, 2009, 12:00:54 AM
Congrats to Desales...its been a long time coming but, worth every minute of the wait. Unfortunately, there is not a snow balls chance in hell they'll host. That gym just won't cut it when F&M is in the mix.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach K on March 08, 2009, 12:24:10 AM
Made the trek up from Allentown to watch the DeSales game. Once DeSales took their first lead, it felt like a home game for the Bulldogs. They had about a third of the fans there that Ithaca had, and definitely took over the gym with chants of Defense and Let's go Bulldogs. A lot of fun to be at as a fan with two good teams battling. I am biased, but Braswell was better than the kid from Ithaca tonight, and to me it wasn't even a contest. Pat Coleman, do you think Braswell can get a little recognition on the national level this year??

Good luck to DeSales wherever they get to play next weekend!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 08, 2009, 12:46:56 AM
We only have 10 All-American guards but clearly Braswell is gaining stature by the day.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on March 08, 2009, 06:48:40 PM
I think defensively he is an outstanding candidate. He is a tremendous rebounder, and by all reports he has shut down some really top kids. He is playing very well in the most important part of the season. I would think the thing that would keep him off the list would be his overall shooting percentage.

For grins, I'll do the following comparison with Wheaton's Kent Raymond-- a for sure 1st team player, who as a returning All-American in the CCIW bettled everyone's best defensive effort every night.

Braswell has five more field goal attempts and 35 fewer makes. Raymond has taken one more three pointer 151-150 and made eight more. Raymond has attempted 13 more foul shots 181-168 and made a lot more 161-107.

Braswell has played in 29 games and averages 16.9 points per game and Raymond has played in 26 games and averages 24.0.

Braswell should definitely get some consideration, but at the end of the day, I think DeSales may need to win at least one more to get him on the list for this year.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on March 08, 2009, 07:45:25 PM
I think its funny how you (the chairman) like to do comparisons with two players (IE - Tucker/Pointer over the past month) and you only pick out the stats that support your argument.

I am not here to debate Darnell Braswell vs. Kent Raymond.  Or for that matter Darnell Braswell with any other player in the country.  I'll take everyone's word for it that Kent Raymond is one of the if not the best player in the country.  But I will follow that by saying, I'd absolutely LOVE to see Braswell get a chance to play against him, cause that means we are in the Final Four.

But since you did compare the two and only picked out the stats you wanted, allow me to take it further.

Braswell - EIGHT DOUBLE-DOUBLES...averages 7.7 rebounds per game (45 total steals)...72 assists
Raymond - 3.2 rebounds per game (24 total steals)...86 assists...unable to find double-double stats (likely none with that RPG)

Looking at the numbers only (and I stress the word looking cause its tough to compare two players via a stat sheet only), Raymond seems to be a better shooter.  Darnell clearly is a better rebounder and has almost double the steals.  Slight edge to Raymond in assists.  In my opinion to be considered for All-American status, I feel as though you need to be a complete player, which I am sure Raymond is.  Braswell definitely is.

Also in my opinion, and having followed the Division III basketball scene very closely over the last 12 years...Braswell is the best guard defender I have ever seen.  He works harder on the defensive side of the ball than anyone I have ever watched play.  And that is not even close to an exaggeration.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCIWchamps on March 08, 2009, 09:49:26 PM
Quote from: BJ - DSU SID on March 08, 2009, 07:45:25 PM
I think its funny how you (the chairman) like to do comparisons with two players (IE - Tucker/Pointer over the past month) and you only pick out the stats that support your argument.

I am not here to debate Darnell Braswell vs. Kent Raymond.  Or for that matter Darnell Braswell with any other player in the country.  I'll take everyone's word for it that Kent Raymond is one of the if not the best player in the country.  But I will follow that by saying, I'd absolutely LOVE to see Braswell get a chance to play against him, cause that means we are in the Final Four.

But since you did compare the two and only picked out the stats you wanted, allow me to take it further.

Braswell - EIGHT DOUBLE-DOUBLES...averages 7.7 rebounds per game (45 total steals)...72 assists
Raymond - 3.2 rebounds per game (24 total steals)...86 assists...unable to find double-double stats (likely none with that RPG)

Looking at the numbers only (and I stress the word looking cause its tough to compare two players via a stat sheet only), Raymond seems to be a better shooter.  Darnell clearly is a better rebounder and has almost double the steals.  Slight edge to Raymond in assists.  In my opinion to be considered for All-American status, I feel as though you need to be a complete player, which I am sure Raymond is.  Braswell definitely is.

Also in my opinion, and having followed the Division III basketball scene very closely over the last 12 years...Braswell is the best guard defender I have ever seen.  He works harder on the defensive side of the ball than anyone I have ever watched play.  And that is not even close to an exaggeration.

I've never seen Braswell, so I only know of his stats and your argument.  But my question is, how is Braswell the definition of a complete player?  He averages 16.9 points and 7.7 rebounds and 2.5 assists.  Those are pluses no doubt.

But here are some negatives:  his assist to turnover ratio is under 1 (turnovers=2.72); he hits under a third of his 3's; he commits 2.6 fouls a game as a "lockdown defender"; and he only makes 64% of his freethrows.  I'd expect to see better numbers in all of these categories for him to be the definition of a "complete player." 

He's good, and rebounds very well for his size.  But if you want to make a comparison to someone like Raymond, you have to see that aside from 3.5 rebounds and 1 steal a game, he is lower in every other category to Wheaton's guard.  Raymond's scoring outbursts counter your double-double argument, and his assist to turnover ratio is almost 2:1.  Braswell isn't a bad player by any means of looking at his stats.  He's just not as complete as other people out there. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on March 08, 2009, 10:09:15 PM
CCIWchamps...welcome to the Mid-Atlantic board.  Glad you chimed in.

Huge congratulations to your team making the Sweet 16.  Quite an accomplishment, especially seeing the two teams you've beaten thus far.

As for Braswell and Raymond.  Please understand I was not the one comparing the two.  I was simply replying to someone else who started the comparison.  I was just filling in the missing stats because the original comparison only compared shooting/scoring.  Braswell's game is so much more than that and I wanted to make sure his others numbers were noticed.

I respect your opinion on Raymond, etc...but I am not gonna engage into a discussion with you over who's better, who's more of a complete player, etc...It would be completely unfair for me to comment on a player I have never seen play, thus my comments earlier that he is one of the if not the best player in the country.  I'll take everyone's word for it.

If DeSales and Wheaton are both lucky enough to each make the Final Four, I will be in attendance, and I will pay close attention to his game and maybe then I'll give my opinion.

My comments on Braswell were simply made because he has had an unbelievable year to this point.  He deserves All-American consideration and as the SID of DeSales, it is my job to campaign, publicize, and promote an athlete's accomplishments.  So after his dominating performance on Saturday, I wanted to get the word out in as many places as I could to promote him for All-American.  The more people that read this, the better.

I wish you would pay us the same respect and not pass judgement on whether he was or was not a complete player just by looking at a stat sheet.  Sure he may have more turnovers than assists, but when a guy plays 35+ minutes in all of our key games and touches the ball as much as he does, he's bound to turn the ball over a few times.  Hopefully you'll get to see him play (if we can continue our post-season run) and if you do, I'd be more than happy to hear your thoughts.

I wouldn't come on here and talk about a guy that I did not think was worthy.

And for the record 2.6 fouls per game, playing 35+ minutes in all of our close games...is pretty darn good in my opinion.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCIWchamps on March 08, 2009, 10:15:23 PM
Quote from: BJ - DSU SID on March 08, 2009, 10:09:15 PM
CCIWchamps...welcome to the Mid-Atlantic board.  Glad you chimed in.

Huge congratulations to your team making the Sweet 16.  Quite an accomplishment, especially seeing the two teams you've beaten thus far.

As for Braswell and Raymond.  Please understand I was not the one comparing the two.  I was simply replying to someone else who started the comparison.  I was just filling in the missing stats because the original comparison only compared shooting/scoring.  Braswell's game is so much more than that and I wanted to make sure his others numbers were noticed.

I respect your opinion on Raymond, etc...but I am not gonna engage into a discussion with you over who's better, who's more of a complete player, etc...It would be completely unfair for me to comment on a player I have never seen play, thus my comments earlier that he is one of the if not the best player in the country.  I'll take everyone's word for it.

If DeSales and Wheaton are both lucky enough to each make the Final Four, I will be in attendance, and I will pay close attention to his game and maybe then I'll give my opinion.

My comments on Braswell were simply made because he has had an unbelievable year to this point.  He deserves All-American consideration and as the SID of DeSales, it is my job to campaign, publicize, and promote an athlete's accomplishments.  So after his dominating performance on Saturday, I wanted to get the word out in as many places as I could to promote him for All-American.  The more people that read this, the better.

I wish you would pay us the same respect and not pass judgement on whether he was or was not a complete player just by looking at a stat sheet.  Sure he may have more turnovers than assists, but when a guy plays 35+ minutes in all of our key games and touches the ball as much as he does, he's bound to turn the ball over a few times.  Hopefully you'll get to see him play (if we can continue our post-season run) and if you do, I'd be more than happy to hear your thoughts.

I wouldn't come on here and talk about a guy that I did not think was worthy.

And for the record 2.6 fouls per game, playing 35+ minutes in all of our close games...is pretty darn good in my opinion.

I mean no disrespect to him at all.  Averaging a near double double is great.  But you have to admit that the FT% and turnovers are KEY weaknesses against an argument of an all-around player.  I would argue against your definition, not his play.  And yes, comparing people only on paper is tough, if not pointless.

But consider your job accomplished as I am a new member of the audience that had not previously heard of Braswell!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on March 08, 2009, 10:25:39 PM
Key weaknesses - No.  He is trusted with the ball in his hands at the end of games all the time and we are 24-5 and in the Sweet 16.  Could it be better.  Absolutely...but so far he's been good enough.

Thanks for the conversation and we at DeSales wish you lots of luck this coming weekend.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chizwiz on March 09, 2009, 01:09:39 AM
Okay, so I tossed a spark into a haystack regarding the Braswell-Raymond thing.  That was me having fun at BJ's expense.  No disrespect to Chair, but I think there are other ways to prove the point that Braswell might not be an All-American (if that is the case).

Enough negatives of Braswell.  Here is what I like.  He is a lock-down defender who actually has a better chance of defending top guards than most I have seen lately, which admittedly is not as many as I would like to see.  He is a senior and is dependable, he is tough.  I'm sure BJ and others can say more.  I, however, think he barely falls short of being an All-American.  If he gets it, that would be awesome, for him, his team, and the MAC-F.  I hope he does.  Enough from me on that.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chizwiz on March 09, 2009, 01:13:29 AM
Congratulations to DeSales for their win against Ithaca on the road last night.  You are definitely making our conference proud with every win.  Please, feel free to get yourself into the Final Four.  I, and many others in this conference, are rooting for you.

Hope to be able to travel to Richard Stockton on Friday and/or Saturday to see you all play.  Good luck.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ronk on March 09, 2009, 01:21:24 AM
Quote from: chizwiz on March 09, 2009, 01:13:29 AM
Congratulations to DeSales for their win against Ithaca on the road last night.  You are definitely making our conference proud with every win.  Please, feel free to get yourself into the Final Four.  I, and many others in this conference, are rooting for you.

Hope to be able to travel to Richard Stockton on Friday and/or Saturday to see you all play.  Good luck.

   DeSales will be playing @ F&M, not Richard Stockton.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chizwiz on March 09, 2009, 01:32:16 AM
Thanks, my mistake.  Been staring at the bracket on and off all day.  Good thing, too, cuz F&M is closer than Richard Stockton.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ronk on March 09, 2009, 02:10:52 AM
  I know the feeling; I've been trying to turn a 7-hr trip to Rochester into a 4-hr trip to Scranton or a 1 1/2 hr to York.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on March 09, 2009, 07:18:55 AM
QuoteI think defensively he is an outstanding candidate. He is a tremendous rebounder, and by all reports he has shut down some really top kids. He is playing very well in the most important part of the season. I would think the thing that would keep him off the list would be his overall shooting percentage.
Quote
I think its funny how you (the chairman) like to do comparisons with two players (IE - Tucker/Pointer over the past month) and you only pick out the stats that support your argument.

Given the fact that they were the top two kids under consideration for Rookie of the Year,  think the Tucker/Pointer comparison was germane-- I even gave Pointer leeway for the whole rim of doom thing.

In terms of Raymond and Braswell, I picked the one first team guard I'd seen play. That's obviously a tough comparison for anyone, but the attempt numbers were so similar, I thought it was worth doing. In terms of rebounding, I would venture a guess that if they switched leagues and or teams, the two players' rebounding numbers would be different. Probably not inverted, but different.

It also seems like every time I check Livestats or tune into a game in the post-season he is hitting a big shot.

The question posed was not whether Raymond or Braswell was a better basketball player-- I don't think even the most ardent DeSales supporter should attempt to make that argument. The question was whether Braswell is an efficient enough offensive player to be in the top ten Division III guards in the nation.

My feeling is that if DeSales makes the elite eight, the people making the selections will be able to look past the shooting percentages.

It was fun to see the board explode after sitting quietly for so long.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mid-range j on March 09, 2009, 08:33:54 PM
chiz - i believe that braswell is a junior - which makes it even crazier that he is coming back next year

bj - dont worry to much about chairman, he is a very very bitter person, hes prob mad that jason reels didnt get put up for all american status, and at the end of the day he will blame that on mvilles rims as well..


braswell is an all-american in my book..ive seen all americans play this year and in the past and i dont go by the "numbers" (even though thats what many people who are voting have to really look at) the kid is a problem and has a mid-range game that is also overlooked ;), his DEFENSE is great, and he also makes players around him better, he is a leader and he is coming back, we will see what happens tho..

congrats to desales..keep it going!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach K on March 09, 2009, 08:37:36 PM
Quote from: chizwiz on March 09, 2009, 01:09:39 AM
Okay, so I tossed a spark into a haystack regarding the Braswell-Raymond thing.  That was me having fun at BJ's expense.  No disrespect to Chair, but I think there are other ways to prove the point that Braswell might not be an All-American (if that is the case).

Enough negatives of Braswell.  Here is what I like.  He is a lock-down defender who actually has a better chance of defending top guards than most I have seen lately, which admittedly is not as many as I would like to see.  He is a senior and is dependable, he is tough.  I'm sure BJ and others can say more.  I, however, think he barely falls short of being an All-American.  If he gets it, that would be awesome, for him, his team, and the MAC-F.  I hope he does.  Enough from me on that.

For the record, Braswell is a Junior. Just wanted to clear that up. BRASWELL FOR ALL-AMERICAN!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on March 09, 2009, 09:57:04 PM
MRJ--

Reels has too many turnovers. He shoots 42% from the floor and 71% from the line, neither of which is high enough to merit consideration. Plus SOS is not quite high enough-- (289) [for the record Manhattanville is at 106, DeSales 184, Wilkes has the highest Freedom number at 84 (in part due to two games each against M'ville, DeSales, and EU who all have good in region records.)]  But I have no complaints if you want to start pushing him.

Not bitter-- objective. I saw Braswell play twice. You can see the box scores for the two games he played against Eastern. So I will not spell those out for you, but my impression from those two games was that he was a very good rebounder/ defender, and that he took a lot of shots to get his points. The season box looks similar to that.

It's good for him and the league if he gets the recognition. My opinion is that if DeSales wins another game, he will probably get it. If they don't, I think the shooting numbers will keep him from being named, and we can blame Manhattanville's rims. Whether or not he gets it, DeSales is on a great post-season run, and he has been enormous in it, which will put him on the tip of many tongues at the start of next year.



Chiz, I didn't realize what you meant by the spark until I checked into the CCIW room.


Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chizwiz on March 09, 2009, 11:22:55 PM
I don't know why I thought Braswell was a senior.  That's even better for him and DeSales.  Not good for the rest of the conference, except when DeSales is in the NCAA playoffs ;)

Mid-range, please don't make more statements like the ones you just did about Chair.  It's not what this page is about.  I have made this mistake before and it only creates more unpleasantries.  It's unnecessary and you might not say these things if you knew Chair.

Reels might not be an All-American, but he is a great player with the potential to do some great things in his final year.  And let's also remember that DeSales' last loss was to EU and it wasn't pretty.  Where was Braswell against the second-rate EU team?

Chair, I quoted BJ's post on the CCIW page and WOW did I get a kick out of their reactions.  They post at about a 10:1 rate or more to our posts, and there are so many more posters there (which I'm sure you know).

Anyway, here's to a great win by DeSales on Friday night.  I truly hope I can make it.  I will be screaming for Lapinski to shutdown the UMDart bigmen.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopzwiz on March 10, 2009, 06:27:10 AM
Quote from: chizwiz on March 09, 2009, 11:22:55 PM
I don't know why I thought Braswell was a senior.  That's even better for him and DeSales.  Not good for the rest of the conference, except when DeSales is in the NCAA playoffs ;)

Mid-range, please don't make more statements like the ones you just did about Chair.  It's not what this page is about.  I have made this mistake before and it only creates more unpleasantries.  It's unnecessary and you might not say these things if you knew Chair.

Reels might not be an All-American, but he is a great player with the potential to do some great things in his final year.  And let's also remember that DeSales' last loss was to EU and it wasn't pretty.  Where was Braswell against the second-rate EU team?

Chair, I quoted BJ's post on the CCIW page and WOW did I get a kick out of their reactions.  They post at about a 10:1 rate or more to our posts, and there are so many more posters there (which I'm sure you know).

Anyway, here's to a great win by DeSales on Friday night.  I truly hope I can make it.  I will be screaming for Lapinski to shutdown the UMDart bigmen.

CHEEZ,
You sure do throw around the word 'great' pretty easily.
If Reels is 'great' as you put it, what would you consider the players that are better than him????  Really, really, super 'great'????

Braswell is an all-american.  They pick 5 or 6 teams for goodness sakes.
Jones from Widener and Johnson from Wesley should also make the list.

Cheez is a first team all-world scorekeeper in my book.  Maybe second team, the girl that keeps the book at Gwynedd has better legs.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on March 10, 2009, 09:47:45 AM
Thanks for the effort Chiz, but I'm cool with mid-range jabbing here and there. His concern that the Rim o Doom will be fixed by Conference Mandate for next year is well-founded, and I'm sure he blames me, so let him jab away. As for Reels being a great player, I think we all know that he is a good player who can have great moments. He has taken over some big games, but he has also been overtaken by some games as well. He has the strength to play at a top level, but he has to either let the game happen or be able to completely take over before he gets the great call.

Hoopwiz--how do you rank the three? I f you look at the national top 25, there are not a lot of Mid-Atlantic teams in it. Some might say that is because the region is so competitive that it chews up it's best with in region losses etc. etc. etc. I would argue that there might be a little of that, but also that the lower left (particularly) and upper left (additionally) quadrants of the bracket have more talent. It would be quite a task for you to walk into the multi-region board and argue otherwise. So, my point is, there is probably not room for all three of those guys on a 25 man (10 guards) All-America team.

Not that they are not great players, but there are a lot of Division III players in other regions of the country that are really good as well.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopzwiz on March 10, 2009, 10:22:45 AM
C-Man,
Good question and quality points.  I'll do my best to make sense.

I believe that the regional player of the year is automatically placed on the first team all-american team.  I would say that one of those three will be the regional player of the year.

Likewise, the second highest regional vote getter is placed on the second team all-american team.  Same for third, etc.......

Jones and Johnson both have strong reputations as a result of their consistant performances for several years.
Braswell has been a good player in his conference and is now exploding onto the regional/national scene.  The longer DeSales stays alive the better chance he has.....obviously.

Ranking the three in terms of 'All-American' chances I'd put Johnson first, Braswell second and Jones third.

If I'm wrong about the process then all of this goes out the window but I think thats how they do it.

How do you rank those 3?
Are there other players in the region that might be put ahead of them?
Patch at Susqu.?
The kid at Gettysburg?
Noonan?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 10, 2009, 11:27:46 AM
Noonan's at Ursinus
Capkin's at Gettysburg, but Powers of Gettysburg was player of the year for the Centennial Conference.
I only saw Johnson play against F&M, and he struggled.  Capkin and Powers killed F&M 3 times.
Capkin destroyed F&M in the Centennial finals(8/12 from three).
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mid-range j on March 10, 2009, 11:52:15 AM
I was kidding about Reels. LOL!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 10, 2009, 12:05:05 PM
Quote from: hoopzwiz on March 10, 2009, 10:22:45 AM
C-Man,
Good question and quality points.  I'll do my best to make sense.

I believe that the regional player of the year is automatically placed on the first team all-american team.  I would say that one of those three will be the regional player of the year.

Not on our team. There are eight regions and only five slots on each All-American team. The NABC avoids the tough decisions, in my opinion, by making all regions equal. Some years the Mid-Atlantic deserves more than three All-Americans, right? Even before you start talking about subjective thoughts about which region has more talent in a specific year, does it make sense that the 39-team East Region is guaranteed the exact same number of NABC All-Americans as the 50-team Midwest, the 61-team West or the 74-team Northeast?

That is the NABC model, however. Coaches can make the tough decisions as to which five players to put on the floor in a game but not on their All-American team, I guess.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on March 11, 2009, 12:02:33 AM
I think the NABC's theory is that since so much of Division III is regionally based-- and the Division has made it clear that they would rather progress to an even more regionally based world, rather than to a national model-- that it would not be appropriate to pass judgment on a given region and give other regions more All-Americans.

Indeed, as you read through many of these rooms, you will find people that know a great deal about the players in and the history of their respective conferences, and those same people maybe able to speak with some level of authority on other teams and perhaps leagues within their region, but there are very few people who have the time, inclination or wherewithal to follow the game in another region.

That is what I love about D3hoops.com. It is a national entity that tries to look at the whole picture. While a random outsider might feel the site has a Midwest bias, I think it does a really good job trying to paint the picture true to life.

There are really good players in each of the regions, but they are not equally distributed every year, and the spots on the team should not be equally distributed either. Last year Shattuck, Shawell, and McGowan made it from the Mid-Atlantic. This year, I would imagine the Mid-Atlantic is going to get two or three.

DeSales tournament run will help Braswell's cause, but I would be surprised if Johnson, Jones, and Braswell all get it.

Pat, for the record, I think D3hoops does it the right way, and although there will always be debate, I think that the endeavor of trying to do it the right way (with positions as well) rewards the most deserving players.

Mid-Range-- Is there an address where we can send contributions for a new rim? ;-)

By the way, the lower left quadrant of the bracket is ridiculous. Three teams with legitimate final four talent have already been eliminated from the bracket and the remaining four teams are ranked 1,2,3, and 7. Such is the regional nature of the Division, but that grouping would be an outstanding Final Four.



Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2009, 12:54:27 AM
Quote from: chairman on March 11, 2009, 12:02:33 AM
I think the NABC's theory is that since so much of Division III is regionally based-- and the Division has made it clear that they would rather progress to an even more regionally based world, rather than to a national model-- that it would not be appropriate to pass judgment on a given region and give other regions more All-Americans.


Still, this is precisely what they are giving the East and Atlantic -- one All-American for every 13 East schools, one for every TEN Atlantic schools, but only one for every 20 West schools or 25 Northeast schools?

And honestly, if it's inappropriate to pass judgments, then why have awards?

This is what led to the demise of the NABC Top 20.

Thanks, chairman. To me it is mind-boggling to do it any other way. A coach must start five players and only five players. Why isn't an All-Conference team, an All-Region team and an All-American team constructed the same way?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chizwiz on March 11, 2009, 07:54:29 AM
Pat, that is totally correct.  It is quite illogical to do it the NABC way.  Judgment occurs once these awards are handed out, so there should be no qualms about judging each player based on their merits to be an All-American.

And I definitely second what Chair just said.  I think this site does a pretty good job of covering DIII country.  Although I would like to see a few more teams from Alaska and Canada show up in print ;)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2009, 09:35:26 AM
Quote from: chizwiz on March 11, 2009, 07:54:29 AM
Although I would like to see a few more teams from Alaska and Canada show up in print ;)

I would like to see a few more teams from Hawaii. :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2009, 04:58:17 PM
Any readers here who are even thinking they might want to attend the Final Four should enter the City of Salem's contest: Free lodging, free tickets, admission to team banquet and VIP passes:

http://www.d3hoops.com/salemgiveaway/
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 12, 2009, 08:38:50 PM
Here's a link with information on this weekend's games, including live video and audio:

F&M sectional info
(http://godiplomats.prestosports.com/sports/m-baskbl/2008-09/NCAAtourney/NCAA16)

Safe travels to all heading to Mayser this weekend!  Should be a great set of games.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on March 12, 2009, 10:41:44 PM
Speaking of the Mayser center, I'm offering +1 for a week to the first person to correctly list Charles Mayser's role in F&M's athletics history.

p.s.  Without cheating.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 12, 2009, 10:53:31 PM
Charles Mayser was the longtime wrestling coach (1940s and '50s?) who helped put F&M athletics on the map.  But I always associate his name with basketball, even though I'm not sure if he ever had any direct influence on the basketball program.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on March 12, 2009, 11:40:33 PM
Quote from: r.w. mcnickels on March 12, 2009, 10:53:31 PM
Charles Mayser was the longtime wrestling coach (1940s and '50s?) who helped put F&M athletics on the map.  But I always associate his name with basketball, even though I'm not sure if he ever had any direct influence on the basketball program.
+7 for you - one at a time.

Mayser founded the wrestling program at F&M in the 1920's.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 13, 2009, 09:39:06 AM
lefty2-

That's interesting, I didn't know he founded the program.  Do you follow F&M wrestling?  Thanks for the reward, but it was just a random fact -- you should pump some of that good karma into the economy instead of giving it to me!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on March 13, 2009, 09:47:19 AM
RW,

I'm not an F&M fan, but I'm a long-time wrestling fan and I happened to be looking through a historical account of ncaa wrestling and read a bio on Charles Mayser.

I find it ironic that a school that today is better known for basketball plays in a facility named for a wrestler.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 13, 2009, 03:39:37 PM
It's hard to maintain a D1 wrestling program on a D3 budget.
F&M has one wrestler who qualified  for nationals at the D! level this year.
If you look at F&M's schedule they still attempt to compete with Navy, Army, and Lehigh.
That's one of the reason that F&M is now know for basketball.
GO DIPS.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on March 13, 2009, 07:47:50 PM
Congrats DeSales... 20-3 run to close out the game and punch their ticket to tomorrow night's Sectional Final.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chizwiz on March 13, 2009, 08:49:07 PM
Congrats to DeSales!  Elite Eight is awesome baby.  Let's keep it going on to the Final Four!  I hope everyone is excited because I am pumped.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on March 13, 2009, 09:13:30 PM
I am excited because you are pumped!!!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach K on March 13, 2009, 09:57:07 PM
Just got in from the game. Give a ton of credit to UMASS- Dartmouth. I felt they weren't real skilled offensively, but they played an intense hard nosed pressure defense which had DeSales on the ropes. The game swung late when DeSales put the clamps down defensively, and didn't allow the Corsairs (cool nickname) to get into their pressure defenses. DeSales got into more of an offensive groove, and got big shots down the stretch from seemingly everyone who was on the court in the last 8 minutes.

Hats off to Coach Coval and the Bulldogs, tomorrow night will be a fun one regardless of who they get!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chizwiz on March 14, 2009, 02:16:36 AM
Thanks, Chair, because was trying to do a bit of an impression of a college color commentator.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on March 14, 2009, 10:41:16 AM
Beat em Bad, DeSale's!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on March 14, 2009, 08:55:36 PM
Elite Eight - you made yourselves & the MAC proud - the competition in our league next season will be amazing!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 15, 2009, 11:53:15 AM
Congrats on a great season by DeSales.  The students who made the trip to Lancaster were the most impressive visiting group I've seen in Mayser, making lots of noise but also handling themselves well.  Good luck next season.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 15, 2009, 01:30:20 PM
Quote from: r.w. mcnickels on March 15, 2009, 11:53:15 AM
Congrats on a great season by DeSales.  The students who made the trip to Lancaster were the most impressive visiting group I've seen in Mayser, making lots of noise but also handling themselves well.  Good luck next season.

ditto
The fans I talked to in line were very good representatives of DeSales.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on March 15, 2009, 07:34:24 PM
RW and Reserved Seat,

Thanks for the kind words.  I was equally impressed with our fans.  That group of students did an outstanding job all weekend.  They even stayed last night till the team left the gym and cheered them as they walked onto the bus.

Good Luck to you guys next weekend.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chizwiz on March 17, 2009, 07:13:02 PM
Congrats to Darnell Braswell for the All-Region 1st Team and to Ed Lapinski for getting 3rd Team.  It's nice to see good representation from the conference in the Region.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mid-range j on March 18, 2009, 11:54:21 AM
Also congrats to James Jones of Del Val for making 3rd team.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: PBR... on March 20, 2009, 08:35:29 AM
Quote from: mid-range j on March 18, 2009, 11:54:21 AM
Also congrats to James Jones of Del Val for making 3rd team.

second that... well done
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach K on March 22, 2009, 08:23:07 AM
No All-American Status for Darnell Braswell however? Sean Burton, who he pretty much locked up at Ithaca gets 3rd team, and he gets nothing? Something smells here in my opinion.

Congratulations on a great year for DeSales, and to Ed and Darnell for being all Region!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on March 22, 2009, 04:44:10 PM
I will second that Coach K.

I thought Burton was a terrific player but Braswell clearly out played him in their match-up in the NCAA second round.

I am not sure what else a player can do other than outplay a fellow All-American to prove his worth.

I know Burton's offensive numbers are better for the season, but on that night Braswell had 27 (11 above his average) and Burton had 15 (7 below his average).

Darnell is the best one-on-one defender I have seen play Division III basketball in my 12 years watching basketball at this level.  That can't be ignored...but sad to say I think it was.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 22, 2009, 05:02:16 PM
Since Burton is a 1 and Braswell is a 2, this debate you're having was one that was never part of our decision-making process.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 22, 2009, 05:03:53 PM
Quote from: BJ - DSU SID on March 22, 2009, 04:44:10 PM
Darnell is the best one-on-one defender I have seen play Division III basketball in my 12 years watching basketball at this level.  That can't be ignored...but sad to say I think it was.

Show me the stat that quantifies one-on-one defense and I will be glad to use it, by the way. Short of you or I seeing all 400 teams every year I don't know how you expect that to be evaluated.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on March 22, 2009, 06:01:08 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 22, 2009, 05:03:53 PM

Show me the stat that quantifies one-on-one defense and I will be glad to use it, by the way. Short of you or I seeing all 400 teams every year I don't know how you expect that to be evaluated.

From what I understand this team is basically chosen by 4-5 guys from D3hoops.com sitting around a hotel room or on a speaker phone listing names based solely on a stat sheet of everyone's yearly stats.

I would expect you to in certain cases call someone.  That's how I'd evaluate defense.  Call a Mid-Atlantic coach who's seen Darnell play.  Someone you trust, someone you have a relationship with, etc...someone without a bias towards his game.

It's your web site and you can do what you want with it.  You and your staff do a great job, I want to make that very clear...but in my opinion, I don't understand how an All-American team can de-value defense as much as you are suggesting.

Thanks again for another season of terrific coverage.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 22, 2009, 06:12:59 PM
Your understanding of the process is incomplete. I am not afraid to ask a coach what he's seen, and in fact, a couple of coaches are regular contributors to this process. In almost every case, someone named to the team has been seen either in person or on DVD/tape by someone in the process.

I would hope that if you want to continue this conversation, you would do it behind the scenes, rather than in public. I think that's the appropriate role for an SID to take, don't you?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 22, 2009, 06:25:59 PM
Ahh, in fact, of course, the night before we announce the team is the annual NABC reception at Roanoke, following the national semifinal games. This year there were coaches in attendance from Massachusetts to Texas, from Indiana to Oregon, etc. Plenty of brains to be picked.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on March 22, 2009, 06:41:17 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 22, 2009, 06:12:59 PM
I would hope that if you want to continue this conversation, you would do it behind the scenes, rather than in public. I think that's the appropriate role for an SID to take, don't you?

#1 - I don't think I was inappropriate with anything I said...I praised your staff and their efforts this and every season at the end of my last post.  I didn't think voicing my simple opinion was illegal.

#2 - I emailed you privately before I made one post today...you emailed back...then I emailed you back...still waiting for your response to my second email.  I'd be glad to continue you this privately, but I need you to respond..you could have just as easily as I emailed me rather than responding here.  My second email to you is still awaiting a response.

I wish you didn't make me out to be a inappropriate person when you have an email in your inbox waiting for your response.  You are the one that chose to take this o the MAC Freedom room.  Not me.  I started via email.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 22, 2009, 06:45:26 PM
BJ -- you posted on this board before I did, clearly.

Quote from: BJ - DSU SID on March 22, 2009, 04:44:10 PM
I will second that Coach K.

I thought Burton was a terrific player but Braswell clearly out played him in their match-up in the NCAA second round.

I am not sure what else a player can do other than outplay a fellow All-American to prove his worth.

I know Burton's offensive numbers are better for the season, but on that night Braswell had 27 (11 above his average) and Burton had 15 (7 below his average).

Darnell is the best one-on-one defender I have seen play Division III basketball in my 12 years watching basketball at this level.  That can't be ignored...but sad to say I think it was.

I also think questioning the methodology of the team in public when you don't even know what it is, is unfair.

I am not having this discussion with you on two fronts, and I am certainly not having it with an SID in public.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on March 22, 2009, 06:50:36 PM
 ;D

Still no email response.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 22, 2009, 07:00:03 PM
Sent at 6:46 ET.

Done with this conversation.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach K on March 22, 2009, 08:38:02 PM
I will admit my disappointment that Braswell wasn't selected, but I also understand there are a ton of D3 schools with talented players on them. I am as a fan just making a case for an awesome kid who was conference player of the year as a Junior, and beat two ranked teams on his way to an elite 8 appearance. Your jobs are not easy narrowing it down to 25 players, and I am sure that there were probably at least 25 other players you and your commitee considered.

So in good fun, I am starting the campaign here now. Braswell for All-American in 09-10!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on March 22, 2009, 08:57:14 PM
Thanks Coach K...Let me know how I can help you with your campaign.

08-09 was definitely a fun year...Like Kate in the primarily women's Freedom room, I am looking forward to November of '09 to see what new faces we have in uniform and see how we'll respond to the greatest season in the history DeSales men's basketball.

Hopefully the encore is even better.

Back to the spring sports.  Got my first '09 golf invite today (sadly had to turn it down)...looking forward to hitting the links regurlarly in a few weeks.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on March 23, 2009, 09:45:52 AM
Not many kids make All-American without being All-Region the year before. I am sure there are exceptions, but the enormous number of good players means that a player will have to put up Nintendo style numbers to leap frog past good players who have really good years.

This is bad news for Braswell this year, but is good news for him for next year. Even with the two Wash U guards and the kid from Carthage returning, I'm pretty sure he will get some kind of preseason nod.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 23, 2009, 10:43:49 AM
After Thompson, all of our 2 guards were seniors. There would be four spots open for shooting guards on the preseason team.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on March 23, 2009, 11:49:35 AM
And I would expect that Braswell's performance this year and in the NCAA Tournament would put him on that list. My contention all along was that if he took DeSales to the Elite 8, and he did, that he would deserve the recognition for this year.

Is the process outlined in FAQ's?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 23, 2009, 03:37:24 PM
No -- the fact that we try to pick a point guard, a shooting guard, a small forward/swing man, a power forward and a center on each All-American team is definitely worthy of being included, however.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 23, 2009, 04:58:24 PM
Actually, I went to go add that to the FAQ and found it was already pretty well covered:

http://www.d3hoops.com/faq.php?question=24

It's not entirely listed there but I'll try to get back and update it at some point.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach K on March 24, 2009, 10:17:13 PM
Congratulations to Darnell Braswell, First team NABC All-American!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCIWchamps on March 26, 2009, 12:46:44 AM
Quote from: BJ - DSU SID on March 08, 2009, 10:25:39 PM
Key weaknesses - No.  He is trusted with the ball in his hands at the end of games all the time and we are 24-5 and in the Sweet 16.  Could it be better.  Absolutely...but so far he's been good enough.

Thanks for the conversation and we at DeSales wish you lots of luck this coming weekend.

Congrats on Braswell's selection!  I do recognize the name when I see it now. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on March 26, 2009, 11:59:10 AM
Good stuff CCIW.

Enjoy the off-season and thanks for the congratulatory message.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach K on March 26, 2009, 04:22:47 PM
Can someone chuck me a karma point? I got a negative added to my total! OUCH!

Have a fun off season everyone. Looking forward to recruiting news and a fun 09-10
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mid-range j on March 27, 2009, 03:04:17 PM
wheres Jon when you need him? dont beg for karma points on this board Coach K, or even hint, they will kill you..lol
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach K on June 21, 2009, 10:14:07 AM
I figured that out Mid-Range! I am down to minus 11 now!!

Enjoy the off season... looking forward to a fun 09-10!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on September 10, 2009, 10:09:43 AM
Woo-hoo! Schedule's out for 09-10!  ;D

Thanks again to Coach Rickrode for scheduling a 717 tour stop.  2 years ago, it was Penn St Harrisburg.  Last year, it was Lebanon Valley.  This year, it's Wilkes at Elizabethtown.  Rest assured, I'll be there, wearing the proper shade of blue.

I saw "Scranton, PA" on the schedule, and did a double-take.  Were we really taking a trip back to the Long Center?  Had all been forgiven with those purple ingrates?  Nope - thank God.  Just a non-conference game at Marywood.  Beautiful.

Love the setup of consecutive games to end the regular season: DeSales at home, King's at home.  Great way to get the team ready for the postseason.

Time to start figuring out which days I need to call off of work (Jan 16th & Feb 20th to start...)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: G-manWU on September 10, 2009, 01:02:50 PM
CJ,

Good to see you back in action bud :)

On the schedule, ref. my post on the Landmin....er, Landmark board earlier this week. While at Ralston Field for the Wilkes football season-opener, I had a chat with a person or two who are key figures in the Colonels basketball operations. The word was that Coach JR was eager to schedule Scranton, and had productive discussions with the purple brass about just that. The hang-up apparently was that the game was set for Jan. 5, but the Royals wanted to have several days off before their conference action resumed. As a result, a date could not be agreed on for the 2009-10 campaign. No problem with that- each coaching staff prepares differently- but it would have certainly been nice >:(

However, the schools do have a scrimmage set, so things are moving in the right direction, and hopefully we'll see the Wilkes-Scranton matchup back on the schedule ASAP. Hope all else is well down in your neck of the woods.

Oh, and as you've no doubt seen, the Colonels will be playing just up the street from me, at the school where I'm currently enrolled as a grad student :) First time for Wilkes inside the Insalaco Center at Marywood-a very nice venue for a non-conference game, and light years ahead of the old building.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jumpball on October 29, 2009, 10:58:51 AM
too early to get the stove heated up?  any early season scouting reports or predictions?  am presuming that all of last seasons playoff teams will remain strong and in the running....any dark horses? 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: G-manWU on November 12, 2009, 09:50:21 PM
Jumpball,

I talked to Coach JR and several players last Saturday during the Colonels football win over Widener. All parties seemed optimistic of the upcoming season- the depth of talent around the league is understood, but the guys are very upbeat. Many of the same faces are back and there will be some quality depth with experience, so I look for a competitive showing at the Marts Center this season.

As for the rest of the league, there are hardly any players left on MAC Freedom rosters who were there when I was working with Wilkes, so your guess is as good as mine  :D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jumpball on November 12, 2009, 11:27:05 PM
thanks for the input G-man.  just trying to stoke up some conversation on the upcoming season.  ...and no, your guess is probably much better than mine! :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on November 28, 2009, 09:05:13 PM
Colonels are 3-1... can I get excited yet?  ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on December 03, 2009, 04:41:29 PM
no, CJ......not after the Miseri able performance Wed. nite.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on December 04, 2009, 12:18:11 PM
You're right Nais., out rebounded, out shot, out hustled and out coached!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: G-manWU on December 07, 2009, 11:41:36 PM
ColonelJohn,

Sorry for the prolonged absence from the board- grad school and work have kept me busier than busy lately. I remember back during the days of the conference defections, when some purple-colored posters started bashing Marywood's acadmic reputation compared to their alma mater. Well, if those posters had the course load I did this semester, they might take a little bit brighter view of Scranton's "other" university..... :D

Anyways, if there is no snow and the temp. stays even a little bit above arctic conditions, I plan on making the trip to Williamsport to see the Colonels in action against Lycoming on Saturday. So with that in mind, I will keep you guys updated with anything that comes up. Hope all is well with all of you :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BBallGuru on December 11, 2009, 12:26:22 PM
It flat out hurts to watch the Colonels play.  I was almost positive that they would suffer defeat against a well coached Elizabethtown team for a second time, having that JR would make no impact or positive contribution to shut down a team that they already had grasps of in their first match up.  The result was a win by Elizabethtown that was never in doubt, up double-digits most of the second half.  DeRojas was shut down yet again and JR was out coached as expected.

With the ever shrinking fan base and a truly successful season a distant memory, JR is in trouble again for yet another season, with a visit to Lyco and a likely 4-4 first semester start.  With low quality wins over the PS something schools and a miserable FDU team who they struggled to put away, JR and the gang are sufferers of their early weak schedule and rare visits to two non-conference opponents twice. 

Yet again Wilkes seems to have the talent.  Kresge is playing great, Gabriel has filled Kline's spot efficiently- minus the turnovers, Huch has blossomed into a capable performer and a force on defense and the freshman Breznitsky seems that he could be the QB the colonels have been missing.  As for DeRojas... What can be said...? he is getting keyed on and JR isn't equipped enough to figure out how to help him get going.  It's only a matter of time until he goes off.  I see the same stagnate offense of the past with some of the basic flex motion.  JR is very basic to say the least, and is nothing compared to conference rivals and the sophisticated approaches that they incorporate.  Its painful to watch Wilkes lose.  Especially outings like the Misericordia game, where JR was obviously out coached and a victim of lesser talent.  Its no wonder why JR hasn't won anything in ten years.  From the Januzzi days until now, the talent has leveled out and JR's "magic" is long gone.  It's a shame to watch JR's antics on the sidelines and his continued avoidance of blame in the media by placing it solely on his team. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on December 11, 2009, 12:47:58 PM
BBGuru,

Don't be bashful.

With a rookie post like that, it's going to be tough to follow up.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BBallGuru on December 11, 2009, 01:13:14 PM
Anything but a rookie my friend - I'm just new to this board. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on December 11, 2009, 01:27:08 PM
Quote from: BBallGuru on December 11, 2009, 01:13:14 PM
Anything but a rookie my friend - I'm just new to this board

That's what I was referring to.

First post = rookie.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on December 12, 2009, 09:43:52 AM
So we have the first agonized Wilkes fan chiming in, I'm wondering when we will hear from our man in Purchase. Word on the street is that Kennedy is not nearly as scary when you can see to the other side. Mid-range???
Seriously though, I would love to get a break down on the King's game. I was very impressed with Misericordia's shooting at Eastern, and it looked like the Cougars were stroking it at Susquehanna as well. I think they could be tough to deal with as the season progresses.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on December 12, 2009, 12:28:37 PM
Chairman,

Interesting observations on Misericordia, but you left a key point - the lost at Eastern and Susquehanna.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopzwiz on December 12, 2009, 10:53:53 PM
Things not going well in Dallas lefty2??

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Chairman,

Interesting observations on Misericordia, but you left a key point - the lost at Eastern and Susquehanna.


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Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on December 13, 2009, 08:27:55 AM
Wiz,

Things are fine, but it doesn't really matter how well you shoot if you lose, does it?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on December 14, 2009, 10:15:43 AM
bballguru, nice breakdown on Wilkes. It is indeed very frustrating to watch the Colonels play.  You see more offense run in a pickup game at the local Y when complete strangers play and run the basic sets.  Pick and roll, give and go, cuts to the basket, quick ball rotation , etc.  Not at a Wilkes game.  The so called motion offense ends up with the big men holding the ball 25 feet from the basket.  After FDU win, Coach JR mentioned in the newspaper that he had installed a new offense.  I was at the game and didn't see much difference.   They let an undersized FDU team hang around for most of the game.   Game after game the Colonels fail to post up their big men and take advantage of the mismatches that are so evident.   Wilkes does have a nice size talented front line this year. Combine that with the deadly shooting of DeRojas from downtown and the inside outside potential could be hard to stop.  However, it all starts with that entry pass down low which opens up the whole court.  Wilkes reluctance to pound the ball inside as a place to start running the offense is hard to understand.   Like bballguru said, it hurts to watch.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on December 14, 2009, 10:22:31 AM
...and Januzzi ain't walking through that door!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on December 19, 2009, 12:28:07 AM
Congrats to Coach Nadelhoffer on his 100th career win. Eastern did not have a winning season in the ten years prior to his arrival in St. Davids.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: WilkesColonel on January 03, 2010, 03:32:48 PM
Go Wilkes!!! Big time win yesterday against Carthage.

~KS '01

ColonelJohn nice to see you still posting up!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 04, 2010, 09:09:53 AM
KS 01 - welcome back.  Those of us who were around in '01 remember Carthage as one of the big guns, nationally, leading up to the '01 Tournament.  Can't speak to too much on them in the meantime, but our own D3hoops.com had them ranked 23rd coming in.  Wilkes wins by double-digits.  It was described as a "signature win" by those I talked to in attendance.

Congrats, fellas.
Title: Buzzer Beater
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on January 05, 2010, 12:50:47 AM
Great ending to what was an outstanding college basketball game tonight in Billera Hall vs. Widener.

DeSales wins by 5 in double overtime after forcing the 2nd OT with a buzzer beater by Braswell that was an identical replica of the Valpo play in 1998 vs. Ole Miss in the NCAA first round.  I'll get video footage of it soon and post again.

But for now you can read it about here - http://athletics.desales.edu/news/2010/1/4/MBB_0105103541.aspx (http://athletics.desales.edu/news/2010/1/4/MBB_0105103541.aspx)

Back to conference play this weekend...looking forward to it.
Title: As promised
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on January 05, 2010, 01:05:31 PM
Here is the video of the shot last night.

Posted on my YouTube page (which I just created today).

Also on the D3hoops buzzer beater page.

I hope to have a better/different angle of the shot later today via my local TV station.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8IQHsDei5k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8IQHsDei5k)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on January 05, 2010, 01:12:46 PM
Is there a Freedom playoff matrix yet?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on January 05, 2010, 01:31:53 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on January 05, 2010, 01:12:46 PM
Is there a Freedom playoff matrix yet?

In good time my friend...in good time.

With conference play re-starting this week...I'd anticipate me getting to that very soon.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chizwiz on January 05, 2010, 10:25:01 PM
Watched DeSales/Widener yesterday.  Interesting game.  2.5 seconds left and a charge call on Braswell.  Not sure of the last time I saw a charge called at this time in a game.  Could have gone either way and don't fault the ref for making it.  I actually felt it was a charge, but I am more defensively-minded if I had to choose one side.  Then Widener allows a 3/4 court pass and another quick pass to a somewhat open Braswell.  I know defense is usually supposed to be a little soft (i.e. no fouls), but no one seemed to think it might be a good idea to keep the ball out of Braswell's hands, so he puts a great 3-pointer up and ties the game to go into OT.  And then Widener decides not to try to penetrate during the whole OT, or should I say both OT's.

Moving on, I was talking with a friend about the Top 25 that started the year and how it looked like DeSales (among quite a few teams) was wayyyyy over rated.  Anybody have a say on why the Top 25 was so off this year?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on January 05, 2010, 10:25:50 PM
That's close. I tried scrubbing through the video to see if the release is before the buzzer. It seems like one of those videos that in the NFL would have gone the way it was called on the court. Did the Widener coach appeal to the officials at all?

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 05, 2010, 11:08:06 PM
Chizwiz -- I think a lot of the usual suspects lost a lot from last year, so it was a little difficult to count on them. Meanwhile, a few teams had nice runs in the playoffs last year and returned their key players. DeSales would be in that latter category.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on January 06, 2010, 02:18:11 PM
Chiz - The charge call (although I hated it) was absolutely the right call.  The official (I'll leave his name out of it) that made it is in my mind the best official we've had in our gym in the last 10 years.  He is an excellent official.  Seeing it live, I disagreed.  On tape it was a charge...great defensive play.  Really tough call and I give major credit to the official for making the tough call and getting it right.

Chair - Off in time...no question about it.  It looked off in time LIVE and again on tape for me.  There was absolutely no objection by anyone in the gym, including the Widener brass.

As for why no one was on Braswell.  I don't think you can fault Widener there...we executed that play to absolute perfection.  It's the only way the play works and Braswell has to knock down the shot, which he did.  Perfect pass, perfect catch and pass, perfect footwork and release by Braswell.  A lot of things had to happen and they all did.

In regards to the Top 25 Chiz.  I don't think you can fault the voters.  I'll speak for DeSales. We went to the Elite 8 last year, and only lost one starter, returned 4 starters and have an All-American on our team.  Why wouldn't they vote us top 10 to start the year.  You have to look at the pre-season poll as a "How did they finish last year" and "who do they have coming back this year" poll.  With those two things taken into account, I don't see an argument against us being ranked where we were.  We earned that pre-season ranking and we are earning our receiving votes status currently, having lost 4 games.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on January 06, 2010, 05:19:46 PM
I think it is definitely closer than that. From the looks of it, he barely beats the red light, which is the end of play, but when I pause the video as the horn starts to go, the ball is unreleased. It is that close. Had DeSales not had the red LED over the baskets, I don't think it counts-- NCAA rules stipulate that the horn is the end of play in such situations (Although I'm not sure the officials on the court would have split it differently). So it might actually have to be retitled as an LED- Beater as opposed to a buzzer beater.

A great play. I have no idea how Widener could let Braswell catch the ball in that situation.

It just seems like if you are up three with very little time remaining, you would pay special attention to defending people outside the three point arc, and even more specialer attention to All-Americans outside the three point arc. I realize that "nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition" and all that, but it looks like there was a fairly significant stoppage of play prior to inbounding of the ball. I'm not sure I foul intentionally, but it seems like there needed to be some strategy to avoid giving a player with a history of hitting big shots a chance to tie the game.



Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on January 06, 2010, 10:35:54 PM
Quote from: chairman on January 06, 2010, 05:19:46 PM
I think it is definitely closer than that. From the looks of it, he barely beats the red light, which is the end of play, but when I pause the video as the horn starts to go, the ball is unreleased. It is that close. Had DeSales not had the red LED over the baskets, I don't think it counts-- NCAA rules stipulate that the horn is the end of play in such situations (Although I'm not sure the officials on the court would have split it differently). So it might actually have to be retitled as an LED- Beater as opposed to a buzzer beater.

A great play. I have no idea how Widener could let Braswell catch the ball in that situation.

It just seems like if you are up three with very little time remaining, you would pay special attention to defending people outside the three point arc, and even more specialer attention to All-Americans outside the three point arc. I realize that "nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition" and all that, but it looks like there was a fairly significant stoppage of play prior to inbounding of the ball. I'm not sure I foul intentionally, but it seems like there needed to be some strategy to avoid giving a player with a history of hitting big shots a chance to tie the game.





We DON'T have LED lights on our backboards...and when I pause it at the buzzer the ball is mid-way to the hoop.

Maybe their is a time delay on your computer and maybe your computer has LED lights on it.

And maybe you need more sleep, :)

You coming Saturday?  We'll go over the film in my office if so and arm wrestle to see who is right, :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on January 06, 2010, 10:45:07 PM
There is a light that turns on- on the shot clock- when the clock hits zero. I think ball is in hand at the start of the horn. I'll be curious to see the frame by frame. Was kinda hoping this would expand to a Zapruder film type thing, but it is turning into a two-way conversation. :(   We will resume on Saturday.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 10, 2010, 03:18:47 PM
The only way one of you wins the argument is to post a frame-grab with the ball either in-hand and lights on, OR out-of-hand, and lights off.  THAT would be something to see.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on January 14, 2010, 01:59:20 PM
I saw the second posted video, and I think the sound on the first video was slightly off. On the newscast video on Youtube the shot not only beats the red light on the shot clock, but it also beats the horn. Apologies.

Nice win by the Eagles last night at Wilkes.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Uncle Sam on January 17, 2010, 10:06:07 AM
America's Program. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jumpball on January 18, 2010, 10:09:49 AM
I haven't seen reels in the box scores for eastern for a while now - is he hurt?  out for a while?  he is an outstanding player and they'll need him down the stretch.  to be without him AND tucker from last season really changes that squad, although they're still a good team.  whats up with them?   
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on January 18, 2010, 11:08:11 PM
The Eagles dropped a tough one at home tonight to a very athletic team from Stockton. Soaries and Nelson went for 28 and 20, but the length and athleticism of the the visiting Ospreys forced Eastern into tough shots, and they didn't have it going (21%) from behind the arc.

Credit to the Eastern staff, they unexpectedly lost Tucker before the first day of class, Kaiser (another starter from last year) a couple days before practice started with an ACL, and Reels at semester, and they are still in the mix. They are 3-2 in the league so far, and 4 of their five games have been on the road. 

Nelson and fellow freshman Kyle Malloy have stepped into rolls a year ahead of when they were expected to, and Soaries is beginning to adapt to the late in the shot clock role that Reels had embraced.

JB-- I think you are right that it is going to be tough, but in each of their league losses they have been tied with less than 5 minutes to play. They are going to be in every game, and their success will depend on how they finish them. With just one senior and one junior in the rotation, it might be a process, but they have been making strides.

BTW-- Stockton is REALLY ATHLETIC.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Uncle Sam on January 19, 2010, 07:23:32 AM
A wise man once told me, "BEWARE of the early lead."
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chizwiz on January 21, 2010, 01:54:59 AM
Nice game for Eastern tonight.  More to say on this later.

I do have to mention something, though.  Chairman, you corrected my grammar a while ago, so now it is my turn.  You may not know this, but the word "rolls" that you used was used incorrectly.  You see, the word "rolls" has several meanings, none of which makes sense in the sentence "Nelson and fellow freshman Kyle Malloy have stepped into rolls a year ahead of when they were expected to . . .".  You should have used the word "roles".  I'm sure you don't mean that they stepped into bread rolls or stepped into a forward roll.

Just keeping it real.  And keep your shart on, oops, I meant to say shirt.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on January 21, 2010, 08:42:45 AM
Well done Chiz. Your persistence is admirable.

I think typo is probably the more appropriate term, but it was a mistake. You might notice the proper spelling roughly 23 words later when referring to Soaries, but I give you credit. After two years, you got me.

Interesting game in the Eagles' Nest last night. Eastern could not miss to start the game and jumped to a huge lead. A terrible stretch of turnovers let FDU back in it, and the Devils actually led by eight late in the game.

Nelson, in his new role as a go-to player, dominated the second overtime after hitting a lay-in with .8 remaining in the first OT. Florham is not a good team, and they left a bunch of windows open, but the Eastern team-- even with their two starting guards fouled out-- found a way. Nelson's got his 36 without too many easy baskets.

He has raised his scoring average by 2.7 points over the last three contests. He is averaging 17.4 points per game since he went scoreless in the Rosemont game just before Christmas.

Back to Purchase for the Eagles. There is confirmed evidence that Kennedy is now features two equally weighted rims and lights at both ends. Should be worth the trip.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Wolfpac on January 21, 2010, 09:16:10 AM
Quote from: chizwiz on January 21, 2010, 01:54:59 AM
Nice game for Eastern tonight.  More to say on this later.

I do have to mention something, though.  Chairman, you corrected my grammar a while ago, so now it is my turn.  You may not know this, but the word "rolls" that you used was used incorrectly.  You see, the word "rolls" has several meanings, none of which makes sense in the sentence "Nelson and fellow freshman Kyle Malloy have stepped into rolls a year ahead of when they were expected to . . .".  You should have used the word "roles".  I'm sure you don't mean that they stepped into bread rolls or stepped into a forward roll.

Just keeping it real.  And keep your shart on, oops, I meant to say shirt.

Yoooo Chiz whats up?   Still fiesty I see.... EU is doing very well with all the "role" changes.  Looking forward to being at EU next week for the Battle of Eagle Road.  See what happens.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on January 21, 2010, 09:49:19 AM
Quote from: Wolfpac on January 21, 2010, 09:16:10 AM
Quote from: chizwiz on January 21, 2010, 01:54:59 AM
Nice game for Eastern tonight.  More to say on this later.

I do have to mention something, though.  Chairman, you corrected my grammar a while ago, so now it is my turn.  You may not know this, but the word "rolls" that you used was used incorrectly.  You see, the word "rolls" has several meanings, none of which makes sense in the sentence "Nelson and fellow freshman Kyle Malloy have stepped into rolls a year ahead of when they were expected to . . .".  You should have used the word "roles".  I'm sure you don't mean that they stepped into bread rolls or stepped into a forward roll.

Just keeping it real.  And keep your shart on, oops, I meant to say shirt.

Yoooo Chiz whats up?   Still fiesty I see.... EU is doing very well with all the "role" changes.  Looking forward to being at EU next week for the Battle of Eagle Road.  See what happens.
Why isn't Cabrini on Cavalier Road?  Or Dzik Avenue?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mailsy on January 21, 2010, 10:42:43 AM
Wait until the 2012 season then they might change it.  ;)  ;D ;D
Title: Matrix
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on January 21, 2010, 11:31:26 AM
As requested the playoff matrix.

Halfway point of the season is on Saturday.  Check out the playoff matrix to see where your favorite team stands heading into the final few weeks of the regular season.

http://athletics.desales.edu/custompages/gen/2009-10/MHoopsMatrix.pdf (http://athletics.desales.edu/custompages/gen/2009-10/MHoopsMatrix.pdf)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Wolfpac on January 21, 2010, 01:55:54 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on January 21, 2010, 09:49:19 AM
Quote from: Wolfpac on January 21, 2010, 09:16:10 AM
Quote from: chizwiz on January 21, 2010, 01:54:59 AM
Nice game for Eastern tonight.  More to say on this later.

I do have to mention something, though.  Chairman, you corrected my grammar a while ago, so now it is my turn.  You may not know this, but the word "rolls" that you used was used incorrectly.  You see, the word "rolls" has several meanings, none of which makes sense in the sentence "Nelson and fellow freshman Kyle Malloy have stepped into rolls a year ahead of when they were expected to . . .".  You should have used the word "roles".  I'm sure you don't mean that they stepped into bread rolls or stepped into a forward roll.

Just keeping it real.  And keep your shart on, oops, I meant to say shirt.

Yoooo Chiz whats up?   Still fiesty I see.... EU is doing very well with all the "role" changes.  Looking forward to being at EU next week for the Battle of Eagle Road.  See what happens.
Why isn't Cabrini on Cavalier Road?  Or Dzik Avenue?



Tell us more Mailsy....... What do you know?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mailsy on January 21, 2010, 03:38:33 PM
Quote from: Wolfpac on January 21, 2010, 01:55:54 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on January 21, 2010, 09:49:19 AM
Quote from: Wolfpac on January 21, 2010, 09:16:10 AM
Quote from: chizwiz on January 21, 2010, 01:54:59 AM
Nice game for Eastern tonight.  More to say on this later.

I do have to mention something, though.  Chairman, you corrected my grammar a while ago, so now it is my turn.  You may not know this, but the word "rolls" that you used was used incorrectly.  You see, the word "rolls" has several meanings, none of which makes sense in the sentence "Nelson and fellow freshman Kyle Malloy have stepped into rolls a year ahead of when they were expected to . . .".  You should have used the word "roles".  I'm sure you don't mean that they stepped into bread rolls or stepped into a forward roll.

Just keeping it real.  And keep your shart on, oops, I meant to say shirt.

Yoooo Chiz whats up?   Still fiesty I see.... EU is doing very well with all the "role" changes.  Looking forward to being at EU next week for the Battle of Eagle Road.  See what happens.
Why isn't Cabrini on Cavalier Road?  Or Dzik Avenue?



Tell us more Mailsy....... What do you know?

It just goes to the fact that the school won't bring back Dzik for the HOF until he has been gone for 5 years.  So they won't even think about a name change until at least 2012.  That is all I'm saying.  It is tongue in cheek.  :P
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Uncle Sam on January 24, 2010, 09:11:43 AM
Yeah, yeah Eastern is great.  Why no mention of them getting ROLLED on by Del Val?  Uncle Sam doesn't appreciate this lack of respect for the Aggies...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jumpball on January 24, 2010, 02:14:32 PM
did not see the eastern - del val tilt, but after seeing everyone in the circuit once now i think white is the best big man in the conference that I have seen, with kreske right there also, but white is a beast, and he plays with intelligence too.  he's a PLAYER and that team is dangerous.  surprised to see them go down at wilkes, but that was a must win for the colonels i think to keep them afloat.  second half will be a real dog fight as i do not think there is a single team in here, desales included, that can just show up and win against anyone else.  ...and i expect fdu tobite one or more of the contenders in the second half too , they are nowhere near as bad as their record indicates.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Wolfpac on January 24, 2010, 04:45:27 PM
Did Eastern score 35 pts or is that a typo....?
I thought EU had a better offense even without the other 2 missing guys.
What is going on over there?

Hoping for a good rivalry game against Cabrini.
It seems EU always works hard even when they lose, but was it their offense or opponent's defense shutting them down yesterday?   Coach N. is usually on top of the game plan what went wrong or were they simply outmatched?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on January 24, 2010, 06:24:02 PM
Pretty much a nightmare.

Combination of good defense, officials that allowed very liberal hand-checking/holding, and really poor shooting.

The game had no flow or rhythm. Of the 26 fouls in the contest,  10 of them were either charges or offensive fouls off the ball-- illegal screens or post play violations. The Eagles could not reverse the ball, and were faced with tough shots they did not hit. Neither team was in a rush to get the ball up to the rim -- Manhattanville held the ball to late int he shot clock as well, and so the game was going to be low scoring.

The upside is that the low shooting percentage is not the norm for this team. I think they will bounce back from this.

The other side is, the have played much better at home. This is good news since the first half of the conference season had five road games, and they are 4-3.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mid-range j on January 24, 2010, 06:26:27 PM
Was at the game b/w Eastern and Mville yesterday.

Looks like Eastern is better off with the old crappy rims and dim lights at Mville considering they couldnt beat their last year regular season score of 36 points.  They ended up with 35.  So I am curious...was the trip to Mville worth it? since everything was all "fair" and "even" this time around?

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on January 24, 2010, 06:39:59 PM
It was awesome. It might have been the ugliest college basketball game I've ever seen. When the winning team scores 52, you know you've seen a gem. 
Title: Matrix (mid-season edition)
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on January 25, 2010, 10:00:17 AM
We've officially reached the halfway point and with all the Freedom teams getting a much deserved break this Wednesday from league play feel free to look over the playoff matrix and offer your second half of the season predictions.

Here it is:
http://athletics.desales.edu/custompages/gen/2009-10/MHoopsMatrix.pdf (http://athletics.desales.edu/custompages/gen/2009-10/MHoopsMatrix.pdf)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 25, 2010, 08:38:01 PM
Looks like Muhlenberg continues their crash and burn since losing Barnes for the season.
Muhlenberg had no answer for Braswell.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on January 25, 2010, 09:41:08 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on January 25, 2010, 08:38:01 PM
Muhlenberg had no answer for Braswell.

They aren't alone.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mailsy on January 25, 2010, 10:56:07 PM
Cabrini at Eastern on Wednesday.  Who wins? ..... Now why?  :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on January 26, 2010, 12:16:05 AM
Tempo will be even more important this year than it was last year. If the game is in the sixties, I think that will mean that Cabrini will have had to defend deep into the shot clock. The Eagles have shot the ball pretty well at home, but I don't think they have the offensive fire-power to get into a track-meet with the Cavs.

If you believe in common scores vs. common foes, then this one should be very tight. Both team lost to Mercahant Marine and beat Immaculata and Rosemont fairly comfortably.

My feeling is that the visitors will be slight favorites, but I wouldn't be surprised to see the sign change hands either. Even though both sides lost key pieces from last year's classic, round II should be a fun one.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Uncle Sam on January 27, 2010, 07:53:06 AM
Roses are red, violets are blue.
Uncle Sam has a message for you.
You can root for your teams, and scream and cheer.
But there is one thing that needs to be clear.
As good as you think that your team may be,
The truth will soon be easy to see.
"Del Val is coming" says Uncle Sam.
That can only mean THE America's Program.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on January 27, 2010, 12:21:22 PM
Uncle Sam has lost a karma point with each post - that' not exactly a warm welcome.

I don't remember a Del Val poster - other than Kate - since the kid that promoted himself for Rookie of the Year a few years ago.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Wolfpac on January 27, 2010, 01:10:56 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on January 27, 2010, 12:21:22 PM
Uncle Sam has lost a karma point with each post - that' not exactly a warm welcome.

I don't remember a Del Val poster - other than Kate - since the kid that promoted himself for Rookie of the Year a few years ago.


Thank You Lefty..you beat me to the punch.  I could not think of a nice poem in time.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on January 27, 2010, 01:12:16 PM
Wolf,

Shouldn't you be at Eastern securing your seat for tonight's game?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mailsy on January 27, 2010, 01:18:06 PM
I think if he get's there by 4:30 he should be okay??  ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Wolfpac on January 27, 2010, 01:22:42 PM
All right you two.......

I know the gate code so I can get in at the last minute.   I hope Lefty is going to be scouting the game.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on January 27, 2010, 01:32:53 PM
I'm going to the Piedmont women's game.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Wolfpac on January 27, 2010, 01:34:59 PM
That is Saturday at 2:00 vs Maryville (tenn).

A tough game......I was thinking about flying down for 179.00 if anyone else is going let me know.  Seriously.   Driving down takes 12 hrs and 4o minutes.

Nice one Lefty.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on January 27, 2010, 01:44:35 PM
I've got a million of Wolfpac (shouldn't your handle be WolfCSAC?)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mailsy on January 27, 2010, 02:49:26 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on January 27, 2010, 01:32:53 PM
I'm going to the Piedmont women's game.

Why???  ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on January 27, 2010, 02:55:34 PM
Quote from: mailsy on January 27, 2010, 02:49:26 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on January 27, 2010, 01:32:53 PM
I'm going to the Piedmont women's game.

Why???  ;D

Just a tip o' the cap to Coach Dzik.
Title: Re: halfway point grades
Post by: jumpball on January 27, 2010, 04:01:43 PM
one guy's opinion on the most under-rated players in the league at the half-way point of the season.  I am certain I'm missing some deserving guys but also hopeful that it'll spark some discussion on the board, which seems to be lacking this season for some reason.  these may not be the all stars, but are players who do not seem to get the headlines that I have seen do a real nice job in the (limited) exposure to each I have seen so far.  Here goes, and be kind....

Chris Myers               Eastern    (team captain!)
Mike Wagner             Kings        (top sniper)
Chris Mayo                Del Val
George Twill              FDU
Bob Zanneo              DeSales
Robbie Johnson        Miseracordia
Marcus Little             Miseracordia
Paul Huchs               Wilkes

....apologies to the Valiants, sure there are some deserving mentions, just haven't seen enough of them to forward an opinion.    ok, have at it.....tell me where i screwed up. 
anybody want to venture a stab at the all-leaguers for the first half??
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Wolfpac on January 27, 2010, 10:43:36 PM
Whew! tiring game at EU....... Cavs should have stuck the knife in them when they could.  Thought the coaches were going to be ejected with the horrible calls on the wrong guys.

Coach N. was in the middle of the floor which disrupted a fast break and nothing called then they call the foul on the wrong player after checking the books they figured it out.........

Fans were loving it....... Kevin M. shines again.   EU shot well but not enough.  The EU fans were whooping it up until the end.  Emotions high just cannnot take the sardine can gym much longer.  Standing room only.

Lefty, when the Cavs win 8 CSAC titles I will change my name. 

I just hope Marcus Kahn starts running the scores up soon on some of these teams to prove a point.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on January 28, 2010, 12:12:06 AM
Wolf -- Nadelhoffer called and was given the timeout by the official right in front of the bench as the three pointer went through the hoop. The players didn't hear the whistle. It was pretty loud at that point.

For a small contribution ( two or three million), I am sure Eastern will name the new facility after you and reserve you a seat for all future contests. Could be worth looking into. In all seriousness, i don't think another body could have made it into the gym.

Misevicious is a tough match-up, and I think Farrello has a nice all around game. Hard to understand how they are not running away with more games.

Eastern got a nice effort from Wright (23), but they are struggling to shut teams down in critical moments. Congrats to Cabrini. Things don't get easier as the Eagles host DeSales on Saturday.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on January 28, 2010, 12:19:18 AM
One more thing. Doors didn't get locked until 15 minutes before game time. I think everyone who got to the game after 6:30 had to stand against a wall somewhere.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Wolfpac on January 28, 2010, 09:55:08 AM
Quote from: chairman on January 28, 2010, 12:12:06 AM
Wolf -- Nadelhoffer called and was given the timeout by the official right in front of the bench as the three pointer went through the hoop. The players didn't hear the whistle. It was pretty loud at that point.

For a small contribution ( two or three million), I am sure Eastern will name the new facility after you and reserve you a seat for all future contests. Could be worth looking into. In all seriousness, i don't think another body could have made it into the gym.

Misevicious is a tough match-up, and I think Farrello has a nice all around game. Hard to understand how they are not running away with more games.

Eastern got a nice effort from Wright (23), but they are struggling to shut teams down in critical moments. Congrats to Cabrini. Things don't get easier as the Eagles host DeSales on Saturday.

Chairman,  from my vantage point I thought something odd was up with that 3pt shot.  I did not hear a buzzer a whistle or anything so I am sure there was concern for alarm on EU staff.  I did not know what was going on and only thought it was a close call in getting the shot off.......I understand now thank you.

The Cavs should and can score more points but I think they are keeping the reins on them right now for some reason.  Was a great game to watch despite someone had to lose. The fans were all passionate about the game and that is the way it should be every game.  Congratulations to both teams on their efforts.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Wolfpac on January 28, 2010, 10:01:28 AM
Quote from: chairman on January 28, 2010, 12:19:18 AM
One more thing. Doors didn't get locked until 15 minutes before game time. I think everyone who got to the game after 6:30 had to stand against a wall somewhere.

Cavs fans know from experience to get there early.  I think they could add some seats behind the benches if they break through the wall for less than the cost of the turf fields.  This is d3 though and we know where priorities lie.......

Nuemann has a beautiful hoops facility finally...liked the juggler though.  Is he for hire?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on January 28, 2010, 11:54:39 AM
The juggler is for hire. He is an Eastern student and big sports fan, so he does a routine at the Eastern games. his website, http://jugglerjoshhorton.com/2010/Home.html tells more about him and has contact info.

As there are academic resources on the other side of that wall that you suggest blowing out, I don't think the solution is as simple as you propose. The turf fields were considerably less expensive than you think, and they were built with a couple big donations and the now fulfilled promise of increased camp and conference revenue combined with decreased maintenance costs for he old dirt fields. That Eastern was able to resurrect Men's Lacrosse, which is still behind Cabrini, but on a really good track, is another plus of the turf field.

You can't build gyms with tuition dollars, and Eastern needs a couple big donors to step up to get the ball rolling. How about it?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Wolfpac on January 29, 2010, 09:42:07 AM
I think if Eastern wins 8 or 9 conference titles their alumnae may find it worth it to donate.  Until then I find it difficult to believe Eu cannot raise money through campaign efforts with a history prior to 1957.  The alumnae of EU should have some pretty successful people coming of age financially to get support by now.  I sat with EU alumni who were pretty dressed up with some bling on themselves who cheered pretty loud.  These people were in their 40's and 50's too.

Maybe they need to hire a professional fundraiser or marketing person to obtain donors.  Afterall... they are a university and should have some grant money to cover other operating costs for capital investments and expenditures.

Do they have a nice fat endowment fund to cover fixed costs?  How about corporate sponsors, with all those parents of students there must be some connections.  I know several people who got degrees in divinity and kinesthetics who are marriage counselors and drive nice fat vehicles while they go to work in the coporate world of finance in the sofware business making big bucks! They are quite blessed I am sure..but if they do not like hoops well ........?

I think you could accomplish many goals to obtain a new facility if it is really a priority but until then we Cav fans will just live with it but walking over is good for us since the parking is inadequate as well.  Just need to focus efforts as they say if you value something you hold on to it and get what you need to get the job done.  Persistence is success.   Do not believe in great men with big money to contribute, believe in youself to create a campaign to raise capital.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Wolfpac on January 29, 2010, 11:21:29 AM
Chairman,

On second thought, with the tough financial climate and global vulnerability we have to deal with these days, we should all feel fortunate to even have a basketball program for our young men and women despite the size of our facilities.

EU atmosphere does make for some intimate, loud, cozy games.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on January 29, 2010, 03:42:33 PM
True enough. There are many people eager to see it happen, but there are a lot of other strains on dollars. I am fairly certain that there are explorations into a new facility and the fundraising that it would take to drive it, but I couldn't tell you whether a new gym is ahead of or behind a science building on the University's plan. The parking thing is the cost of the St. Davids mailing address. You can't weed-whack without a special permit. Cutting down a tree is completely out of the question. Those 'environmental issues' have complicated every building project in the last 8 years and promise to cause problems should the gym process get going.

I think Eastern has won Conference titles in 12 of the last 13 years in Volleyball-- Does that work?  ;)

Do you think the game could go neutral site every year until that gym is built?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mailsy on January 29, 2010, 04:09:21 PM
Quote from: chairman on January 29, 2010, 03:42:33 PM
True enough. There are many people eager to see it happen, but there are a lot of other strains on dollars. I am fairly certain that there are explorations into a new facility and the fundraising that it would take to drive it, but I couldn't tell you whether a new gym is ahead of or behind a science building on the University's plan. The parking thing is the cost of the St. Davids mailing address. You can't weed-whack without a special permit. Cutting down a tree is completely out of the question. Those 'environmental issues' have complicated every building project in the last 8 years and promise to cause problems should the gym process get going.

I think Eastern has won Conference titles in 12 of the last 13 years in Volleyball-- Does that work?  ;)

Do you think the game could go neutral site every year until that gym is built?

I'm sure if you ask Cabrini they would entertain you as a neutral site... for a small nominal fee!!  :P ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Wolfpac on January 29, 2010, 05:34:53 PM
Depends on the EU staff I am sure Cabrini would host as Mailsy says for the safety and welfare of all who attend.   I heard some comments from some folks how dangerous the aisles filled with students and the moving handrails on the bleachers were ........ if there was a fire or emergency many would be doomed to get down the steps from the bleachers.

I do understand township permits and applications for variances quite well so I do sympathize with you there.  Make the best of what you have for now.  I would tend to agree the volleyball venue and championships would be a great starting point for pushing the issue....but do alot of people show up for those games?

Perhaps I am misled by the one capacity crowd a year when Cavs and Eagles play and the attendance at the other games do not warrant a larger facility.
Anyhow..... I see where you are coming from..I do not know if attendance alone would even break the hurdle unless the large resources agree with the athletic department.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on January 29, 2010, 09:21:35 PM
It's pretty tight for every home basketball game. Not like Wednesday, but there are very few seast ever. That's not a bad thing for environment etc. The bigger reason for a new facility really comes down to serving the general student population with a better fitness facility, more space for classes and intramurals, and more convenient practice places for all the teams. The facility would obviously accommodate more ( maybe 1500) spectators in a safer and more comfortable fashion.

Eastern Volleyball is a great show, but the Eastern facility is probably the right size for single Volleyball games-- completely wrong for tournaments, but a crowd of 450 fills the gym and makes for a great environment. A bigger gym with locker rooms etc would give them the chance to host a Regional, but I was kidding about that being the rationale for a new facility.

The others -- including team rooms for all teams and locker facilities for opposing teams and officials are better reasons than increasing seating capacity for volleyball.

It will be interesting to see if the Eagles can bounce back against another very good team tomorrow.   
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on January 30, 2010, 09:09:18 PM
Sam?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on January 30, 2010, 09:13:49 PM
Quote from: chairman on January 30, 2010, 09:09:18 PM
Sam?

I am?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on January 30, 2010, 09:15:42 PM
I am...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on January 30, 2010, 09:34:12 PM
Just being silly.

Funny thing is. This league has a lot to do with taking care of your home court. A couple observations.

1) Match-ups are everything. Del Val struggles against teams North of the tunnel. Manhattanville's road loss is not nearly as surprising, because that is a tough trip and King's is playing well.

2) Freedom and Commonwealth standings match perfectly, 7-1, 6-2, 5-3, 4-4, 4-4, 3-5, 3-5, 0-8

3) Looking at the Del Val v. Misericordia Box and Jones and Mayo only released ten shots total. Foul trouble obviously played a role in this game.

4) Manhattanville has the potential to get in a lot of foul trouble on the road.

5) Eddie Mbanda has played a major role in two Eastern wins. He scored 10 points at Wilkes and had eight boards and five blocks at home vs. DeSales. It will be interesting to see if his role can expand down the stretch.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on January 30, 2010, 09:44:43 PM
Chair,

I figured you were reading Dr. Seuss or looking for your Uncle.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on January 30, 2010, 09:56:43 PM
No one told him that America's team has to play against teams from off exit 105. I'm sure he'll be checking in soon.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Wolfpac on January 31, 2010, 11:07:56 AM
Hey Lefty, Chair, is Desalles deep off the bench?  Seems EU is scoring less than 50 alot.... curious to know if it is the defense of the MAC as whole being better than the PAC was or if EU is living or dying by the 3 ball.. appreciate it if either of you would give your take...

Chizwiz?  where are you?  Seems you come out when EU wins and go away when they lose.... let me know your take.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on January 31, 2010, 11:15:08 AM
Wolf,

I've only seen DeSales once, but as is their tradition, they seem to go 8-10 deep without any significant drop-off.

It has always been my belief that the best teams in the PAC/CSAC could compete in the MAC, but the MAC as a whole is deeper.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Wolfpac on January 31, 2010, 11:24:46 AM
Thx sir.  I was hoping the Cavs could move to the MAC as well but they would rather try to win conference titles in the waterd-down CSAC I guess instead of trying get to a regional power.  I love the Cavs obviously but I think they are going to get exposed by teams that would be considered weak in the MAC down low.   Have a good day.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on January 31, 2010, 02:44:21 PM
Wolf-

A couple corrections. Eastern has scored less than 55 twice this year. Once at Manhattanville and once in Florida against Hood. Didn't see the Hood game, but the shooting was abysmal. Manhattanville wanted to play a slow game, and they were able to win with 52 points. Not a good day for the Eagles.

We were trying to figure this out the other night as well. I think it is pretty well accepted that Cabrini could compete in either side of the MAC. Lefty's point about league depth is very valid. FDU is struggling to win this year, but- as evidenced by EU's double-overtime win and their one point home loss to DelVal and Saturday's thre point loss against Wilkes, they cannot be taken for granted. Every other team in the league is capable of beating the other seven on almost any day. The CSAC does not have that. Where the Neumann's, Gwynedd Mercy's, and Keystone's would stack up is up to conjecture.

DeSales is deep, but their depth is a little misleading. All the players off the bench can play, but at the end, their primary scorers/creators are Braswell and Hunter, and those two make all their other players go. All their players play hard, set hard screens, and defend, and they can either make open perimeter shots or cause problems on the offensive glass. I think Braswell and Hunter, over the course of the year, have been pretty successful down the stretch because they each get some rest in each half.

Back to the Eastern offense. I was curious about this, because you said something about relying on the three ball. Eastern hits 38% from behind the arc on the year. They have taken 216 three pointers in 19 games. PBU has launched just 152-- It stnads to reason because they have only made 38 of them-- , F & M is 69-225, and PSU-Harrisburg has shot 208 in 15 games ( which is 2.5 more attempts per game less than the Eagles). Those are the only three teams in the region that are close to being under Eastern's 11.4 3pt attempts per contest.

This is interesting, and to be honest was a little surprising. With the exception of Mbanda and Malloy, the Eastern team is very undersized and it would seem that they would be stepping outside and bombing away, but in reality they make about 4 and a half threes a game.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Wolfpac on January 31, 2010, 03:50:47 PM
Chair---thx for getting back.

It is puzzling.  Perhaps they do not rebound well so they do not shoot when the 2 big men are not down low?  The fact they are undersized could be disadvantage when they are face-gaurded or just a lack of confidence if the coach is being selective on 3pt shots in slowing down the tempo of the game if they do not want to run and gun. 

I would have though they were bombing away which is why I asked. Without the 2 guys they lost one ACL early on did this change their way of shooting from the outside in terms of a weak inside presence?  I thought the coach would use their strengths but that is why I am not the coach.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on January 31, 2010, 06:37:38 PM
They are more focused on utilizing match-ups at the offensive end. With the smaller line-ups, it usually means either the other team will change their rotation or have a big forced to guard either Nelson, Wright or even Soaries.

Most of the three pointers they shoot come as a result of teams having to help on one of these match ups. They feel pretty confident that there is a better shot than a contested three somewhere later in the shot clock. This works well as long as the game stays within a couple possessions.

With a couple exceptions, they have shot fairly well throughout the year. They lost 3 starters and a key reserve between August and December. That they are sitting alone in third with four of six games left at home seems to indicate that they are figuring things out. 

While the Eastern team got good minutes from Mbanda and Trusty against DeSales, they Typically play with six guys. A high tempo game gives more opportunity for foul trouble (deadly) and fatigue ( a reality that impacts even super well-conditioned players)

I think the coaching staff would like to speed the game up-- Nadelhoffer once had 21 assists in a college game-- but in my opinion good coaches are more committed to winning and preparation than they are to a particular style of play.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Wolfpac on January 31, 2010, 08:03:01 PM
Sounds like a good assessment to me Chairman!  Makes complete sense.  Thank you for the analysis.  I think they would be playing differently obviously with the three men back.  Perhaps this actually helps them in the future being down these guys and holding their own in a deep conference.

I think in the playoffs fatigue will be an issue as you state if they have to run and get pressed.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on January 31, 2010, 08:27:46 PM
Quote from: Wolfpac on January 31, 2010, 11:24:46 AM
Thx sir. I was hoping the Cavs could move to the MAC as well but they would rather try to win conference titles in the waterd-down CSAC I guess instead of trying get to a regional power. I love the Cavs obviously but I think they are going to get exposed by teams that would be considered weak in the MAC down low.   Have a good day.

Wolf,

Change in conference affilliation is typically by invitation only.

It may or may not have been Cabrini's choice to move to the MAC.

With that, winning conference titles gets you to the NCAA's whether its the CSAC or the Freedom.


Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Wolfpac on February 01, 2010, 09:01:08 AM
Lefty, I guess an automatic bid is an automatic bid.  Why did EU go so quickly to the MAC..... would they not have a better shot at winning a title in the CSAC?

If EU turned down their invitation would Cabrini go then?  I understand this is hypothetical or it could have been reality I do not know. I thought EU was up and coming in the PAC and Coach N. had them going the right direction.  I understand with the other schools and the geography concerns in different conferences but EU would be closer to many CSAC schools as well.  Thx for trying to make sense of things for me.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 01, 2010, 09:13:14 AM
I can't speak for why Eastern chose to move the MAC, but I have a hunch that Chairman can.

I also don't know if/who anyone else was considered.

Remember, the decision to switch conferences is NOT limited to just men's/women's basketball.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 01, 2010, 09:43:56 AM
I think lefty2 dropped a "not" from that last sentence.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 01, 2010, 10:41:07 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 01, 2010, 09:43:56 AM
I think lefty2 dropped a "not" from that last sentence.

Thanks Pat - I've amended the post.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: MACfan08 on February 01, 2010, 11:53:05 AM
Okay I am glad to see Eastern gets so much talk on here but I feel like there are better issues to be talking about with the MAC Freedom right now. So I will list below some of my big questions about this season so far.

First I think the biggest question should be what is happening to the Wilkes University Men's Basketball team? They were picked to finish very high at the beginning of the season and many said this was their year with such a great SR. lead team. They are now 3 and 5 in the league and will be fighting for their lives now every night for the rest of the season. Another loss or two and they could very well pack it in a call it a year.

Second how does Desales keep getting all of these transfers? I see they got another one this year that is really helping them out? My only guess is the coach must stay in contact with players he recruits which decide not to go to Desales in the end. But when they realize they made a mistake or thought they were better then d3 ball and find out they will ride the bench at a d2 or small d1 school they see what life is really about and accept that they need to take a new route to their basketball career. Not saying this is a bad thing at all but just curious how he does it because more d3 coaches need to take note because these players have kept him up at the top for the past few years.

Finally for now what is going on at the north end of Main street in good old Wilkes-barre? This is a young decent team. The talent level is not what has been there before and the players are no where near what it takes to win a MAC championship but some how they are right there at the top in second place with a 6 and 2 record. Is this finally the year that Andrejko wins a coach of the year award because of his coaching and now just because of the talent he had under him to win him all of those games. I am happy to see they are not at the level they were last year because that was a shame but I did not see them having such a big turn around within one season. Where do we see this team going and is this team one year away from being a MAC powerhouse again with all of the young guys that are involved right now?

Well it has been a quick year and a busy one as well. I have not posted much but now that the season is coming down to the grind I figured I would throw some questions out there to see what people have to say and try to get off the topic of Eastern I have heard enough about them on this site. Lets talk other basketball and talk about other good headlines right now in the league.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Wolfpac on February 01, 2010, 11:58:41 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 01, 2010, 09:13:14 AM
I can't speak for why Eastern chose to move the MAC, but I have a hunch that Chairman can.

I also don't know if/who anyone else was considered.

Remember, the decision to switch conferences is NOT limited to just men's/women's basketball.




Hey Lefty  How is Misericordia doing up there?  Used to be an easy win up there for the Cavs in the PAC but things certainly have changed.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 01, 2010, 12:08:24 PM
Quote from: Wolfpac on February 01, 2010, 11:58:41 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 01, 2010, 09:13:14 AM
I can't speak for why Eastern chose to move the MAC, but I have a hunch that Chairman can.

I also don't know if/who anyone else was considered.

Remember, the decision to switch conferences is NOT limited to just men's/women's basketball.




Hey Lefty  How is Misericordia doing up there?  Used to be an easy win up there for the Cavs in the PAC but things certainly have changed.

We're in the playoff mix as we head down the stretch.  Depth is a problem and was probably the deciding factor in our first game with DeSales.

I don't know if I'd say the Cav's wins here were 'easy," but they were frequent.

I'm not sure if there is any truth to the rumor that when Coach Dzik won his 400th game that the first person he thanked was former Misericordia coach Dave Martin.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Wolfpac on February 01, 2010, 12:48:44 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 01, 2010, 12:08:24 PM
Quote from: Wolfpac on February 01, 2010, 11:58:41 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 01, 2010, 09:13:14 AM
I can't speak for why Eastern chose to move the MAC, but I have a hunch that Chairman can.

I also don't know if/who anyone else was considered.

Remember, the decision to switch conferences is NOT limited to just men's/women's basketball.




Hey Lefty  How is Misericordia doing up there?  Used to be an easy win up there for the Cavs in the PAC but things certainly have changed.

We're in the playoff mix as we head down the stretch.  Depth is a problem and was probably the deciding factor in our first game with DeSales.

I don't know if I'd say the Cav's wins here were 'easy," but they were frequent.

I'm not sure if there is any truth to the rumor that when Coach Dzik won his 400th game that the first person he thanked was former Misericordia coach Dave Martin.

If Dave was a short slender chap with dirty blonde hair who wore a wool knit blazer then it is probably true if my memory serves me correct..  Your team and staff always did have class with those blue and gold colors and Dzik respected you guys all the time.  I shall ask John when I see him.  Just felt like you were never going to get to the game when we went on the road to play there.  They were all tough wins but I meant to say it appeared easy on paper back in the early days of the PAC.   Loved it when you guys beat GMC during crunch time  when the Cavs needed some help. But that is not why I could see why John would thank him.

Just out of plain respect for competing in the conference when times were changing to d3 at the least and a good friend.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 01, 2010, 01:09:55 PM
Dave was the men's coach from 1990-2000 something and has been the AD since.

He was actually on the phone with coach Dzik this morning to congratulate him on his big win over the weekend.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 01, 2010, 01:12:59 PM
MACfan08

Great post, its always nice to talk about more than one thing in this room.  I don't mind the Eastern people going back and forth with the Miseri guy but no reason we can't also talk a little DeSales and little Wilkes-Barre at the same time.

I can't really speak for what is going on at Wilkes and/or King's.  Wilkes certainly has the talent to beat anyone on any given night (IE their win over Carthage, who was ranked at the time).  Although we beat them by 14 at our place we really had to grind that win out after they got within two points in the second half of that game.  Even last year when King's had a rough year they beat us once, so I never go into a game vs. the Monarchs thinking its going to be easy.  They always play us tough.  I am not at all surprised by their first half success.

In regards to your "DeSales getting all these transfers" comment.  I am kind of confused.  We don't have any transfers on the team this year that weren't also on the team last year.  The only players on our roster that are transfers at one time or another are senior Matt Zwetolitz (he transferred to DeSales after one year at Penn State University where he did not play basketball), junior Brian Hunter (he transferred to DeSales after one year at Lehigh where he played sparingly...we heavily recruited him out of high school and we kind of got lucky that things didn't work out for him at Lehigh and he's really helped our team both last year and this year), the other transfer is sophomore Jamey Bercier (he came to us mid-season last year from Chestnut Hill College...I don't really know any specifics on this one other than we also recruited him out of HS, he went to CHC, didn't play much on a team that struggled and I guess was unhappy, left CHC over Christmas Break and wanted to come to DeSales).  He's started every game for us this season averaging just over 3 points and 3 rebounds per game in 15+ minutes.

We don't have anyone on our team this year that is a first-year transfer, so I am not sure who you were referring to in your post.

Meanwhile, here is an updated matrix for all entering this week's games.

Enjoy!

http://athletics.desales.edu/custompages/gen/2009-10/MHoopsMatrix.pdf (http://athletics.desales.edu/custompages/gen/2009-10/MHoopsMatrix.pdf)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 01, 2010, 02:07:15 PM
Glad to see the room catch fire. Still no Chiz Wiz or Uncle Sam, but that's alright.
Wolf- the decision to move to the MAC happened at the Presidential level, and competitiveness in a specific sport was probably a very small part of the overall decision process. I can't speak to what Cabrini administrators would have done or were considering.

I am quite curious to see the new King's team play. I saw the Eastern game at King's earlier in the year, and King's really struggled. In looking at stats since then, it seems that Mike Wagner has emerged asa  perimeter threat, and that has to help Conroy have more room to operate. I'll be curious to see what the other changes are.

Thanks for the Matrix.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Wolfpac on February 01, 2010, 04:04:38 PM
Misericordia by 9 pts. over Wilkes.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 01, 2010, 04:58:41 PM
The home team has won 20 of the 32 league match-ups so far this year. Of the twelve losses by home teams, FDU has 4, and Del Val has 3 (Del Val is 2-3 at home-- King's and DelVal are the only two schools who have played five home games).

Wilkes has dropped home games to Misericordia and Eastern. As random as your prediction for a Misericordia win on Wednesday might have been, it follows that they will hold serve at home against a team they beat on the road.

Remaining game (home, away) DSU (3,3) Kings (2, 4) Eastern (4, 2) M'ville (3,3) Misericordia (4, 2) Wilkes (3,3) DelVal (2, 4) FDU (3,3).

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopzwiz on February 01, 2010, 07:37:49 PM
Quote from: Wolfpac on February 01, 2010, 04:04:38 PM
Misericordia by 9 pts. over Wilkes.

I'll take Wilkes and the points.  Nearly a must-win for the colonels with road games left at DV and Eastern.  Not to mention Manhattanville and DeSales at home, both of which have already beaten Rickroads bunch.

Plus....It's Misericordia.  They rarely beat Wilkes, let alone twice in the same season.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 01, 2010, 07:56:27 PM
This is just the third time in at least the last 20 years that Misericordia/Wilkes have played twice and only the 12th meeting overall in that same span.

Wilkes won two last year and in 1998-99.

Willie Chandler makes his first-ever appearance against the Colonels - too bad he'll have a tie on as an assistant coach.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jumpball on February 01, 2010, 08:29:57 PM
I echo BJ, and am glad to see MACfan back in biz.  nice to talk about basketball again!  BJ - thanx for the matrix.  I think Desales is still the class of the league but not by as much as last season.  and that was not a 14 point game against kings last week i know you'll agree.  foul shots and forced 3's at the end blew open a game that was 3-4 points nearly the whole time until the very end; and kings held the lead late in that game.  Braswell is the difference and not by much, although he's a terrific player.  kings is coming on - they're still young but they are improving and you overlook them at your own risk.  JP is doing a terrific coaching job but don't underestimate that team's talent, they have added some good young freshmen who contribute and are not as 1-dimensional as last season, -Conroy still strong, but he has help .  Wagner is a terrific outside shooter and they take good care of the ball.  Chair; Eastern will be much more of a dogfight than it was earlier in the year - same players but different team than played that game.  It'll be a good one as both teams are playing well.  Next few weeks are going to be fun - every team (including FDU) can beat any other. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 01, 2010, 10:25:57 PM
No problem on the matrix...glad someone looks at it.  I enjoy updating it and keeping tabs on the rest of the league during this fun time of the year.

Appreciate the kind words about DeSales and Braswell in particular.  He really turned a corner as a player last year and that has continued into this season.  He's a great kid too, really respectful person off the court.  Its been fun watching him grow up these last four years.

I certainly agree that the King's game was not a 14-point game.  Foul Shots at the end made it so...as is typical of all King's/DeSales games in recent years.  It is a dogfight every time.  Throw out the records and the venue when those two meet.  They could play a summer league game against each other and it would be a tight, grueling affair.

Time for me to turn in for the night.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopzwiz on February 01, 2010, 10:28:54 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 01, 2010, 07:56:27 PM
This is just the third time in at least the last 20 years that Misericordia/Wilkes have played twice and only the 12th meeting overall in that same span.

Wilkes won two last year and in 1998-99.

Willie Chandler makes his first-ever appearance against the Colonels - too bad he'll have a tie on as an assistant coach.

Didn't Miseri already play Wilkes???  Making it Chandlers second-ever appearance against the Colonels???
Perhaps he wasn't there, in which case, forget my post.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 02, 2010, 09:16:55 AM
You are correct - it's his first home appearance.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chizwiz on February 02, 2010, 12:42:58 PM
Thanks for asking where I've been, folks.  I don't have much to say right now because I haven't seen many games lately.  Have been on vacation for a total of almost three weeks out of the last seven and out of town during most of them.  And then there's that other reason I'm not at half (plus 1) of EU's games.

Anyway, I do want to say something about Darnell Braswell, even though we are not talking about him right now.  The first time I saw him play, which was probably at least 2 years ago, I was impressed, but not as impressed as I have been recently, after seeing him play twice this season.  I've mentioned to some friends as late as this season that I don't see how he could be considered a first-team All-American or even a 2nd or 3rd teamer.  After watching him more, I have to go back on my previous statements regarding.  I have really enjoyed watching him play, especially because of his consistency and game IQ.  He seems to do a great job of making good matchups for himself and exploiting teammate matchups when he sees the opportunity.  Again, though, is his consistency, and the skill at which he is consistent.  While I haven't seen the vast majority of candidates who get put up for All-American, he does seem to be a very strong contender for a top spot this year.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chizwiz on February 02, 2010, 12:48:04 PM
Oh, by the way, what the heck has been happening to FDU-Florham?  It's sad, considering that both the coach and the athletic administration run such a classy program up there in Jersey.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on February 02, 2010, 03:01:52 PM
Chiz

Yes, it can be tough here...I'm not saying other schools do it, but we don't get any special admits, period, and the competition for financial aid via academic award grants is intense. As our academic profile continues to climb - and it's quite high now - basketball and football get hurt, while some other sports thrive with that type of climate.....
Coach does a great job here; the trick is getting recruits for our situation!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 02, 2010, 04:34:57 PM
Chiz-

Can we expect to see you in Dallas this Saturday?

Looking forward to some big games tomorrow night first.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: MACfan08 on February 02, 2010, 10:45:18 PM
Well the transfers I was naming and hinting at were the three that you had mentioned. I feel like they are the little pieces to the puzzle that is keeping this team together and not just a one man show. Not saying it is a bad thing at all because a coach needs to do what a coach needs to do and if he feels he needs to bring in transfers then great it is part of recruiting as well.

Now with all of that said I really have this crazy feeling it is going to come down to experience and coaching towards this second half of the year. Right there alone I have to give the Nod to the likes of King's and DeSales with possibly Eastern right behind them. I feel like Wilkes will buckle under the pressure and will lose a game that they shouldn't like every year down the home stretch like a game at FDU or at Del Val something along those lines. Bow M'ville is always tricky because it is tough to get ready for a game up there. This time of the year it is always cold on the visiting bench do to broken windows right up above and the crowds usually start to play a factor up there and the team really uses that to a huge advantage. With that said Del Val I feel like is a little to one sided right now and trying way to hard to run everything through the big man. They have solid guard and need to let them do their thing and let the big man play off of them. With all of that said I do not think it is a bold prediction of mine to say that we will know who the playoffs teams will be after next Saturdays games on the 13th.

What are some other hot topics that should be looked at this year right now? Any coaches that should be careful who they piss off because they may not return next year?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 02, 2010, 11:43:42 PM
MACfan. A coach who does recruiting the right way will build relationships with kids and families. When those kids make choices, whether for academic or athletic reasons, to go to different schools, they don't forget the coaches that treated them well in the recruiting process. There are many different reasons why kids choose to change schools, and that three of them found their way to DeSales after experiences at other places does not raise any red flags in my mind.
Your post insinuates that there is something fishy or less than proper about having transfers in the program. That seems kind of silly to me. Each of those kids is going to spend at least two (maybe three) years in the program. It's not like they were brought in for a single semester.
It is interesting to look at the matrix and try to figure out what will need to happen for teams to make the playoffs. I do not think the a 7-7 team will get in. That puts Wilkes and Del Val in a spot for tonight. As they play FDU at home, it is a MUST win game for the Aggies. Wilkes is on the road, so a loss is understandable, but a sixth loss with five to play is going to require them to get really hot down the stretch with some tough games left.
I'm looking forward to seeing the new King's team. The box from the Dec. 2nd game has some interesting anomalies. The most interesting is that Eastern did not attempt a free throw for the game. I don't see that happening in St. Davids. Also interesting is that Mike Wagner was nearly a non-entity in the opener. Since that game, he has made over 4 threes a game against Conference foes. Not sure if his quiet night was due to defense or just an off night, but the Eagles will need to hold him in check to sweep the season series.
The loser of the King's-EU is not in big trouble per se, but the winner gets a big boost in the playoff race. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Uncle Sam on February 03, 2010, 08:44:11 AM
Roses are red, ashes are black.
Don't look now, but Uncle Sam is back.
This time his message is as clear as day.
Del Val is coming and you're all in the way.
An up and down season is how it would seem,
But the Aggies under Stitzel, are a second-half team.
So as America's Program comes to a town near you,
Uncle Sam's words will surely ring true.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopzwiz on February 03, 2010, 10:22:12 AM
Quote from: Uncle Sam on February 03, 2010, 08:44:11 AM
Roses are red, ashes are black.
Don't look now, but Uncle Sam is back.
This time his message is as clear as day.
Del Val is coming and you're all in the way.
An up and down season is how it would seem,
But the Aggies under Stitzel, are a second-half team.
So as America's Program comes to a town near you,
Uncle Sam's words will surely ring true.


Wasn't DelVal's 'HOME' game against Miseri a 'second half' game?

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 03, 2010, 10:58:46 AM
Phew lots of posts since my last on Monday morning.

Chairman, I don't think MACFan08 was insinuating fishy activity at DeSales.  In all three of our transfer cases, they were players our staff was very interested in as high school seniors and I think after their decisions were made, they all re-evaluated after their freshman years and like you said while reconsidering, remembered who (as in coaches) they really enjoyed talking with during recruiting.  It also didn't hurt that all three players were Lehigh Valley kids and two of them returned back to the home land area.  Most times when kids transfer they tend to move to a second school closer to home (which happened in Zwetolitz and Bercier's case).  Hunter was already close to home at Lehigh, but I think he just wanted to see the court more and wasn't sure it would eventually happen if he stayed at Lehigh.  I think he's really enjoyed the last year and a half at DeSales.  He was already good friends with Braswell (both local Lehigh Valley kids) and several of our other players, so the transition was an easy one for him.  I've been here 10 years and off the top of my head, I think these three players are the only transfers we've gotten in men's basketball in those 10 years...just dumb luck they've all happened so close together.

Chizwiz...appreciate the comments on Braswell.  I would agree that he definitely improved immensely between his sophomore and junior season.  He was already a very good player as a sophomore but turned the corner to levels of greatness and All-American conversations as a junior and to his credit he didn't let his reputation carry him as a senior, he's worked even harder to become an even better player this season (his numbers to this point back that up).  He sets an enormous example for all our players about working hard, especially in practice.  I am the lucky one that not only gets to see him play in games, but also in practice.  He never takes a play off even in practice.  It's really fun to watch.

Uncle Sam...I must say your poems make me laugh.  This recent one was much better than your first.  I like how your rhyming has improved each time.  Should we expect you in attendance on Saturday in Billera Hall.

Good Luck to everyone tonight.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jumpball on February 03, 2010, 11:01:08 AM
Chair:  I agree with your assessment that the winner of the EU/Kings tilt will have a leg up but that team will still face a lot of tough games ahead of them i know you'll agree.   watch out for FDU - they are going to beat some teams with Katz back now, especially at home.  
EU matches up well with kings in key spots but that 12/2 eu/kings game was one where kings was still trying to figure out where new pieces fit in.  they're further along now and playing with a lot more confidence.   you are correct, EU will probably get to the line in that phone booth tonite and that could make a difference.  but replacing the 24 points reels threw down then might be a chore as he created matchup problems.  he was one reason they didn't get to the line - he hit from downtown all day and didn't need to go near the hoop - they couldn't stop him on the perimeter. as always, lets just hope the players get to decide the game.  it should be a good one.
wilkes HAS to win that game tonite or they face too tall a mountain to climb, i think they will prevail with kreske having a big night.  DelVal should win at home against FDU, but watch out for the kings FDU game saturday - that one's a trap game.  would love to see desales/valiants game.  the 'ville really needs a win and will be desparate.  wouldn't shock me if they prevail but i see desales eeking out another win on the back of braswell, not sure the 'ville has the interior strength to take advantage of desales in the paint, where i think they might be vulnerable.  fun league this season with everyone so close.
also love the Uncle Sam bravado!  keep it coming.
 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jumpball on February 03, 2010, 11:04:01 AM
for what it's worth, i didn't see any inuendo in macfan's comments on the transfers either
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopzwiz on February 03, 2010, 12:10:59 PM
Interesting night in MAC Freedom.  Am I crazy or is it realistic to think that all four road teams will win?

Del Val @ FDU
DeSales @ Manhattanville
Wilkes @ Misericordia
Kings @ Eastern

At the very least, the road teams are the favorites going in.

Any thoughts?  Which home team is most likely to win?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jumpball on February 03, 2010, 01:22:53 PM
don't know what Eastern looks like without Reels (that CAN'T be an improvement though) but I don't know that kings is a fave going into that gym.  i think EU is a favorite in that one, although Kings has a better than punchers chance at winning if they play as they have been for a month now.   I think all the games could be tight, although DelVal could have their way if White is going good.  he's a beast.  if they figure out how to play an inside out game with he and jones, look out.  he hasn't been there all that long yet but i haven't seen he and jones both having a big game at the same time, - at least i don't recall that... could be wrong.  still say they are very dangerous -  uncle sam would concur i think 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 03, 2010, 01:38:04 PM
Hello, hoopzwiz - FDU comes to James Work Memorial Gym tonight - we went to Madison back in December.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopzwiz on February 03, 2010, 06:54:29 PM
Oops, my apologies.  I definately like DV to win then.

Taking Desales in a low scoring slugfest.....

King's on a 3 pointer late......

and the game I'm attending, Wilkes by 5.  Kresge free throws seal the win and keep the Colonels
playoff hopes alive.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Wolfpac on February 03, 2010, 10:18:43 PM
Sorry Lefty,  I was one of on the points for Misericordia.    Knew they would take care of business at home.  Thought it would be 9 or ten.  Congratulations on a nice win.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 03, 2010, 10:58:41 PM
Quote from: Wolfpac on February 03, 2010, 10:18:43 PM
Sorry Lefty,  I was one of on the points for Misericordia.    Knew they would take care of business at home.  Thought it would be 9 or ten.  Congratulations on a nice win.

I hope you didn't bet the game.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 04, 2010, 02:44:29 AM
It's late, but I'll offer two cents.

King's had it rough tonight. They tried zone, but everyone in the Eastern line-up seemed to relish the opportunity to shoot rhythm jumpers. When they switched to man, They could not stay in front of Soaries or Wright. In the second half, they tried to start in man- as the Eagles were holding the ball, and switch to zone late in the shot clock. This worked some, but only because the shots that went down in the first half didn't go down in the second.

That being said, I can see how King's is beating people. Wagner got one really good look in the first half when Soaries got switched off him, and he buried it. That was, however, all he got. They run good stuff and they run it hard, they set hard screens and Conroy can get position t will. In a league with more traditional line-ups, I think they can get after it a little defensively as well.

They couldn't score inside efficiently enough to make Eastern pay for playing with four guards, and they wound up playing defense for a minute at a time on several occasions.

Eastern made it to the foul line with 4:21 to play in the scond half. Not sure what the longest strech against a particular opponent without an attempted free throw is, but I think 75:39 is a long time to go without a trip to the line.

It looks like Wilkes made a run late to close the gap, but to no avail. Three of four home teams win. Big win for your Aggies there Mr. Sam. I'm looking forward to some more wily rhymes from you. The Aggies are going to have to get their traveling shoes ready for the next two weeks -- not sure why you would go to PSU-Harrisburg in the middle of stretch where you are playing four of five league games on the road, but that's just me being curious.

Manhattanville at Wilkes could have the feel of an elimination game.

I think the Matrix will tell us a lot here after Saturday's games.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jumpball on February 04, 2010, 09:28:06 AM
I think the Chair provided a pretty good assessment of the Kings EU affair.  Hey, when the same team wins twice by double digits, they're the better squad.  Kings did not play well or their normal game, but EU had a lot to do with that.  Soaries red hot all night.  The right team won that game.  Eastern will be very hard to beat in the phone booth and they have a favorable home/away schedule, so i think they're in.  not so sure about anyone else outside of desales.    agree that M'ville-Wilkes game will bounce someone. 
still wondering how soaries gets off a 3 with seconds to go in the half when kings has only 3 team fouls.....what are the odds we play any games saturday with winter looming again?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Wolfpac on February 04, 2010, 09:51:48 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 03, 2010, 10:58:41 PM
Quote from: Wolfpac on February 03, 2010, 10:18:43 PM
Sorry Lefty,  I was one of on the points for Misericordia.    Knew they would take care of business at home.  Thought it would be 9 or ten.  Congratulations on a nice win.

I hope you didn't bet the game.

It is against D3 compliance to bet Lefty you know that come on now.
Eastern won as well I see but I would have said they would win by 4pts.  Mac fan told me to stop talking about Eastern so I did not predict that game.  Just luck anyway.  Lefty, Chair sorry to chat into the MAC but the CSAC is quiet. Only Mailsy and when you come over.  Your conference sure is getting tight and the parity is fun.  The Cavs may get to the finals and Marcus has been doing good things but the strength of their out of schedule is poor so if the tourney is in their cards they may not get anywhere too fast unless they surprise us. Have a good one you guys.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 04, 2010, 10:26:26 AM
Chair,

Misericordia and Wilkes won't be worrying about free throw droughts - 62 free throws last night (31 by each team).

On another note, there was a Wilkes faculty member at the game and I feared that his head was going to explode.  He's the type of fan that thinks any/every call against his team is terrible and he yells as loud as he can to let everyone in the gym know it.






Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mailsy on February 04, 2010, 11:59:10 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 04, 2010, 10:26:26 AM
On another note, there was a Wilkes faculty member at the game and I feared that his head was going to explode.  He's the type of fan that thinks any/every call against his team is terrible and he yells as loud as he can to let everyone in the gym know it.


You just have to love those fans.  ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 04, 2010, 01:00:59 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 04, 2010, 10:26:26 AM
Chair,

Misericordia and Wilkes won't be worrying about free throw droughts - 62 free throws last night (31 by each team).

On another note, there was a Wilkes faculty member at the game and I feared that his head was going to explode.  He's the type of fan that thinks any/every call against his team is terrible and he yells as loud as he can to let everyone in the gym know it.

You sure it wasn't our old pal Seitzinger, :).

Updated Matrix is here
http://athletics.desales.edu/custompages/gen/2009-10/MHoopsMatrix.pdf (http://athletics.desales.edu/custompages/gen/2009-10/MHoopsMatrix.pdf) 

Here's to hoping the weatherpeople are what they usually are - WRONG.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 04, 2010, 01:45:33 PM
Quote from: mailsy on February 04, 2010, 11:59:10 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 04, 2010, 10:26:26 AM
On another note, there was a Wilkes faculty member at the game and I feared that his head was going to explode.  He's the type of fan that thinks any/every call against his team is terrible and he yells as loud as he can to let everyone in the gym know it.

You just have to love those fans.  ;D

This guys gives fans a bad rep.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: G-manWU on February 04, 2010, 03:24:44 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 04, 2010, 10:26:26 AM
Chair,

Misericordia and Wilkes won't be worrying about free throw droughts - 62 free throws last night (31 by each team).

On another note, there was a Wilkes faculty member at the game and I feared that his head was going to explode.  He's the type of fan that thinks any/every call against his team is terrible and he yells as loud as he can to let everyone in the gym know it.









I am 99.9% certain I know exactly who you are talking about. If we have the same person in mind, he is a great guy, someone I had as a student in my first semester at Wilkes and respect a great deal. In fact I believe he is currently the seniormost faculty member in terms of years spent teaching at Wilkes.  He attends most every Wilkes sporting event, and while he can get loud, he keeps it clean and is always entertaining to listen to...as long as you aren't directly in front of him! I only had one of his classes that first semester, but came to know him well from working with Wilkes men's basketball and football for my four years there. He still sees me whenever I am back at Wilkes for a game and still calls me by first name.....those are the kind of freindships and contacts that make working with D3 sports so enjoyable.

On that note, I believe this week marks one year since the passing of Dr. Matthew Zukoski, another avid fan of Wilkes sports and faculty member in the same department as the professor you speak of. Dr. Z was a great man who is very much missed at Wilkes sports events today- all the best to his family, friends, and coworkers who still remember him with the same zest and zeal that he brought to Wilkes sports.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 04, 2010, 03:59:19 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 04, 2010, 01:45:33 PM

This guys gives fans a bad rep.

I wasn't that bad, lefthander!

I'm shocked that Wilkes is 3-6 in league play. Wow.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 04, 2010, 04:24:24 PM
Fouls to give. Hmmmmm. Not too often do you hear that expression at the D3 level. Jump ball, I honestly don't know how they didn't foul immediately on the inbounds twice. That the play was right in front of the King's bench made it a little more unforgivable. You don't want the guy to get fouled in the act, but I don't think that would have been an issue. Plus if they fouled on the catch, the next play would have been SOB. Still, a ridiculous shot against a pair of defenders.

Saturday could be very interesting. I will be intrigued to see if weather impacts game-times/ dates. If all the games go off as scheduled, the post-season picture could be clarified a little as Wilkes and Manhattanville seem to be in must win type situations. DelVal is also in a spot where they might need to win on Saturday to have a shot at a tiebreaker. You can't concede the top spot to DeSales yet, but it does seem that a win over the Bulldogs will likely be an early tiebreak for teams fighting for a spot or seeding.

Eastern and Misericordia was a SHOOTOUT in December.

http://www.goeasterneagles.com/09boxscores/mb/mb1205eu.htm 

Misericordia made 11-19 threes, and Eastern shot 75% from the field in the second half. The rematch could be very interesting.           
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 05, 2010, 09:46:43 AM
Estern vs. Misericordia moved back to 8:00 pm start-- Women at 6:00-- to compensate for the storm that is supposed to hit the Southeast part of the state hard between 5:30 this evening and noon tomorrow. NE extension should be clear by the times the teams travel, and north of Allentown isn't supposed to get much.

Any other changes?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jumpball on February 05, 2010, 11:46:10 AM
i dunno' - after seeing the recent forecasts, i'd be a little surprised if many games are played tomorrow, including the adjusted eastern/miseri game.  doubt they would put the kids and followers at risk travelling in bad conditions, but then again, betting on the accuracy of a weather forecast is never a good idea....we'll see
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 05, 2010, 01:41:40 PM
DeSales/Delaware Valley also moved to 6 and 8 Saturday night.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jumpball on February 05, 2010, 04:13:26 PM
fdu-kings moved to sunday
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 05, 2010, 04:17:38 PM
Great idea, Jumpball - wouldn't mind if that happened with the DeSale's/Del Val game - we'll see.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 06, 2010, 09:33:31 AM
Eastern @ Misericordia moved to Sunday - 1:00/3:00.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 06, 2010, 10:29:33 AM
BJ, what are your roads like up there around Billera?  i noticed that Misericordia/Eastern was postponed until tomorrow afternoon - still Bulldogs & Aggies at 6 & 8 today?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 06, 2010, 12:17:18 PM
Quote from: kate on February 06, 2010, 10:29:33 AM
BJ, what are your roads like up there around Billera?  i noticed that Misericordia/Eastern was postponed until tomorrow afternoon - still Bulldogs & Aggies at 6 & 8 today?

Kate - I just walked inside from shoveling my driveway...I am planning on heading out to run a few errands in the next 15 minutes...at that point I'll be able to get a road report.  The snow is done here in Bulldog country, its just a matter of getting your driveways and roads cleared...from TV footage, it seems the main roads are cleared at this point.  Side streets are probably not cleared yet but I'd imagine they will be as game time approaches.

So far I've heard nothing from the powers that be of any changes. so at this point I am still planning on 6 and 8 in Billera Hall.

Hope you can make it down.  If so careful driving, give yourself some extra travel time.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 06, 2010, 12:24:12 PM
Thanks, BJ - we'll see what we can do.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 06, 2010, 01:11:59 PM
I can't even see my car, much less think about driving. Any Del Val fans coming from the city are going to need a superhuman effort to get out of Philly.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 06, 2010, 01:57:47 PM
Just got word the DeSales/Delaware Valley doubleheader is on as planned.

The Aggies are leaving Doylestown, PA at 3:30.

So for those able to and looking to get out of the house on this snowy day, stop on down to Billera Hall for a good doubleheader.  All proceeds from tonight's game will be directly donated to the Wellness Community of the Greater Lehigh Valley as part of the WBCA's "Pink Zone" promotion.  So be sure to dress in pink for the game.

Safe driving to all, be sure to give yourself extra travel time and use precaution on all roads.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 06, 2010, 02:54:35 PM
I almost feel bad that we didn't see one snow flake.

Almost.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 06, 2010, 05:57:03 PM
Wilkes shoots 47 free throws against Manhattanville... Guess where the game was?

With the come-from-behind win, Wilkes draws even with Manhattanville. With four losses to King's and DeSales, Manhattanville may need to win out to make the play-offs. 'America's team' will have to pull the upset tonight to stay out of the tie with Wilkes and M'ville.

DeSales can clinch a berth in the playoffs with a win tonight. I think they may already be in, but the math will be easy if they win.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 06, 2010, 09:52:05 PM
Quote from: Uncle Sam on February 03, 2010, 08:44:11 AM
Roses are red, ashes are black.
Don't look now, but Uncle Sam is back.
This time his message is as clear as day.
Del Val is coming and you're all in the way.
An up and down season is how it would seem,
But the Aggies under Stitzel, are a second-half team.
So as America's Program comes to a town near you,
Uncle Sam's words will surely ring true.


What do you mean when you say "second half team?"
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopzwiz on February 07, 2010, 07:22:53 PM
Lefty, I assume you saw the eastern/miseri game......what's the story with the low scores? Might be more points scored in the super bowl.

Log jam after desales,  interesting two weeks to come.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopzwiz on February 07, 2010, 07:42:19 PM
Is Eastern's record incorrect on this website?
It says 7-5 but they're website has them 6-3 in conference
Play.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 07, 2010, 08:30:59 PM
Easten's conference record is incorrect on the MAC website.  EU's website doesn't always jive with the MAC site.

Eastern couldn't make a shot (25.8% for the game), but they made up for it by playing good defense at the foul line as Misericordia shot 58.8% from the line.

Perhaps MU's Christine Marks (85.6%, 11-11 today) should give a free throw clinic at the next men's practice.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mailsy on February 07, 2010, 08:43:58 PM
Quote from: hoopzwiz on February 07, 2010, 07:42:19 PM
Is Eastern's record incorrect on this website?
It says 7-5 but they're website has them 6-3 in conference
Play.

It is wrong on D3hoops.  They have Cabrini and Rosemont as conference games.  EU is 6-4.  CSAC is wrong as well.  Cabrini 12-1 not 13-1.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 07, 2010, 10:41:48 PM
I misread hoopz second post - I don't check the d3hoops.com standings often.

The Freedom standings have been corrected on the MAC site.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jumpball on February 09, 2010, 09:50:30 AM
they're not gonna' play wednesday games as scheduled with this latest nightmare storm about to clobber all of us are they?  am guessing they'll reschedule for thursday??  i think this one will impact everyone in the conference and not spare the teams north of the tunnel so much.....
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 09, 2010, 06:07:15 PM
Jumpball-

EU v. Wilkes already rescheduled for Thursday.

Sunday's game in Dallas was just another one of those days for the Eastern guys. Seven or eight shots hung on the rim and dropped out. That is the difference between an offensive nightmare and a solid day. That being said, Misericordia could have put some distance in the game earlier with even average free throw shooting.

Three way tie for second at this point. Eastern has three home games against the three teams tied for fifth and a road date with FDU. Theoretically, this is the best possible schedule. In reality, the three home games may be more of a factor than the opposition.

King's and Misericordia each have a game with DeSales and a game against each other (which one has to lose). The three teams on the outside trying to get in all play at Eastern and have games against one of the Exit 105 teams (Manhattanville plays at Misericordia) Del Val and Wilkes both play King's. Del Val's other two games are against M'ville and Wilkes.

I think eight wins is going to be the number. Nine wins should be enough for the two seed.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 10, 2010, 11:43:17 AM
The Misericordia University basketball doubleheader at DeSales scheduled for Wednesday, has been postponed to Thursday, February 11 at 6:00 p.m. and 8:00 p.m.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on February 10, 2010, 09:37:22 PM
FDU's doubleheader against Manhattanville is off until next week...We can't even play Thursday!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 11, 2010, 12:07:24 PM
Games are on Tonight at DeSales (hosting Misericordia).

Follow along here

LIVE Stats - http://www2.sidearmstats.com/desales/mbball/ (http://www2.sidearmstats.com/desales/mbball/)
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Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 11, 2010, 12:33:16 PM
Wilkes/ Eastern next week.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 11, 2010, 12:36:23 PM
Eastern and FDU must've gotten some serious snow.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 11, 2010, 12:41:46 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 11, 2010, 12:36:23 PM
Eastern and FDU must've gotten some serious snow.

I can't speak for what FDU got, but I know Eastern (and all Philly area schools are struggling).  My parents live down that way and they broke lots of record for snow in the past week.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Uncle Sam on February 11, 2010, 01:20:11 PM
Roses are red, snow is white.
Del Val is STILL coming, don't take them light.
Not much Aggie support here, except for Kate.
Who are you? Uncle Sam needs a date.
Amazingly enough, Del Val is still alive.
With a few more wins, they'll surely arrive.
So don't make your playoff plans just yet.
Stitzel's Aggies could be your best bet.
Uncle Sam sees one thing clear as a summer day.
Del Val is the team nobody wants to play.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mailsy on February 11, 2010, 01:25:06 PM
Quote from: BJ - DSU SID on February 11, 2010, 12:41:46 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 11, 2010, 12:36:23 PM
Eastern and FDU must've gotten some serious snow.

I can't speak for what FDU got, but I know Eastern (and all Philly area schools are struggling).  My parents live down that way and they broke lots of record for snow in the past week.

My brother leaves near Florham.  He said they got about a 15-16 inches.  This snow was really heavy with high winds.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 11, 2010, 05:08:02 PM
Biggest problem is that there is really nowhere to put the snow. Parking lots were pretty full with resident student cars, and until those cars get out, it will be very difficult to make campus roads passable. Sun today helped a bit, but there needs to be another couple forty and sunny days.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 11, 2010, 10:03:14 PM
Big night for Braswell. DeSales locks up a home game in the first round. DelVal gives up 45 in the second half to King's. King's takes a half game lead for second. Del Val will likely need to win out. Neither Eastern nor Manhattanville is particularly easy gym to play in.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopzwiz on February 11, 2010, 11:17:32 PM
DSUSID
any thoughts on the game, sounds like it was a good one down there?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 11, 2010, 11:42:26 PM
Quote from: hoopzwiz on February 11, 2010, 11:17:32 PM
DSUSID
any thoughts on the game, sounds like it was a good one down there?

I always have thoughts.

You are right it was a good one in that Misericordia came to play despite the crazy schedule with the snow and the uncertainty of when the game was going to be played.

The box score really doesn't lie, Darnell Braswell was that good.  He could not be stopped and hit big shot after big shot after big shot.  Oh and he also dominated the glass (14 rebounds).  DSU's role players struggled to shoot a little which is a complete reversal of DSU's last game when the role players picked up Braswell who was limited with foul trouble.  I guess tonight was Braswell's way of saying thank you to his teammates for picking him up vs. Delaware Valley last Saturday.

He is certainly a pleasure to watch play every night.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 12, 2010, 09:35:14 AM
Quote from: Uncle Sam on February 11, 2010, 01:20:11 PM
Roses are red, snow is white.
Del Val is STILL coming, don't take them light.
Not much Aggie support here, except for Kate.
Who are you? Uncle Sam needs a date.
Amazingly enough, Del Val is still alive.
With a few more wins, they'll surely arrive.
So don't make your playoff plans just yet.
Stitzel's Aggies could be your best bet.
Uncle Sam sees one thing clear as a summer day.
Del Val is the team nobody wants to play.


You may be right, but they gave up 45 points in the second half to a King's team that is not exactly prolific. Can you comment? Rhyming is fine, but don't feel like you have to.

The matrix is a little crossed up with half the league playing three games next week.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 12, 2010, 09:54:52 AM
Speaking of the matrix.

Here is the updated version

http://athletics.desales.edu/custompages/gen/2009-10/MHoopsMatrix.pdf (http://athletics.desales.edu/custompages/gen/2009-10/MHoopsMatrix.pdf)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jumpball on February 12, 2010, 10:51:28 AM
granted, with the weather and all, the kings game was a tough road assignment for delval - but that team still has the best big man in white and the most explosive scorer in jones.  really surprised that they have 7 losses already - they're better than that.  i can't see how they get in the playoffs now, too many variables all have to go their way.
eastern has a favorable schedule; they should be in barring a total collapse, and they're too good for that, kings still needs a win i think, and have shown that they can kick your butt or roll over on any given night; impossible to predict which squad shows up.  if i am reading the matrix correctly they can fear getting caught now only by wilkes since they hold advantages over delval and 'ville.   ...and wilkes plays a very tough schedule starting at delval on senior day and then the top 3 teams as they stand now - that's a tall order....i think those 2 games last night did a lot to clarify the picture. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on February 12, 2010, 03:46:29 PM
BJ:

Did I see your former college roomie giving props to your matrix on Alvernia's site or did my eyes deceive me?

Edit:  Nevermind.  I forgot Alvernia is on the other side of the MAC pond now.

Uncle Sam:

Hilarious (if not proven accurate).  Hope you'll follow football in the fall.  I could run your poetry during the Del Val football broadcasts. :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 12, 2010, 07:53:20 PM
Gordon,

My college roomie actually came up with the matrix design a few years back during his PAC days.  I took his shell, tweaked it a bit and have since implemented it for the Freedom Hoops seasons the past few years.  Updating it after each set of games is much easier and less time consuming than sitting at my desk during the final two weeks of the season looking up who beat who just to see where a team stands in a tiebreaker situation.

So I can't take credit for the original design just the work put into updating it each week and recreating each year.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach K on February 13, 2010, 06:58:28 PM
Can anyone out there confirm that Braswell had 41 today vs. Kings?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 13, 2010, 07:54:50 PM
Quote from: Coach K on February 13, 2010, 06:58:28 PM
Can anyone out there confirm that Braswell had 41 today vs. Kings?

Confirmed.

My story will be up shortly...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopzwiz on February 13, 2010, 09:36:09 PM
Is it reasonable to think that if Darnell Braswell played for any other team in the league, they'd probably win the title? Definately true with the top 4 or 5 teams. He's the difference.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 13, 2010, 10:16:31 PM
Wiz-

I think that's a pretty accurate statement if you are doing a straight addition. I'm not sure if you said Braswell to another team in exchange for their best player that it is quite as big of guarantee, but I still think he is clearly the dominant presence in the league this year.

Crazy finish at the St. Davids Athletic and Convocation Center today. Eastern let a 7 point lead disappear in the final 40 seconds, but they won on a free throw with one second to play. Too wild to believe.

By my calculations, Manhattanville can make the playoffs if Misericordia loses on Tuesday and the Valiants win their last three. Del Val needs FDU and Wilkes to beat Eastern and to win out. They cannot win a tie-breaker with King's or Misericordia. I cannot figure out Wilkes' options. DeSales is the top seed. 

I'd be interested to hear the run-down from Madison today.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopzwiz on February 13, 2010, 10:54:53 PM
Cant help with the events in Madison.
Good point about swapping players.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach K on February 14, 2010, 10:51:39 AM
Ouch, I make a comment about Braswell having 41, and I get 3 negative Karma points chucked at me! Must be some angry Kings fans? That is an impressive effort from the accounts I read from DSU's site and the timesleader out of WB. Obivously a great effort by the Monarch's as well to stay in the game like that for 3 OT's!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 14, 2010, 12:01:07 PM
Quote from: Coach K on February 14, 2010, 10:51:39 AM
Ouch, I make a comment about Braswell having 41, and I get 3 negative Karma points chucked at me! Must be some angry Kings fans? That is an impressive effort from the accounts I read from DSU's site and the timesleader out of WB. Obivously a great effort by the Monarch's as well to stay in the game like that for 3 OT's!

Don't understand the negative karma points.

I haven't read the Times Leader story yet but I'll head there now and check it out.  Certainly both teams yesterday made numerous amazing plays in what was an amazing game.  It was a joy to be able to watch that game yesterday.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 14, 2010, 04:29:13 PM
http://www.timesleader.com/sports/collegesports/DeSales_star_hits_for_41_as_King_rsquo_s_falls_in_3_OTs_02-14-2010.html

Really nice piece.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 15, 2010, 10:02:16 AM
Updated matrix for everyone to make their final week of the season predictions.

http://athletics.desales.edu/custompages/gen/2009-10/MHoopsMatrix.pdf (http://athletics.desales.edu/custompages/gen/2009-10/MHoopsMatrix.pdf)

DeSales has clinched #1 seed and FDU has been eliminated from the playoffs.  The other six teams have neither clinched or been eliminated so I am sure we are in store for a crazy final week of the regular season. 

The scenarios are way too many for me to include here...feel free to ask questions if you have any and I'll try to answer them.  Otherwise enjoy the games this week.  I'll re-post this after the Tuesday games (weather willing).
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 15, 2010, 10:21:48 AM
Been absent much of the season due to time constraints but did take in the Kings/DeSales contest Sat.

Am very impressed with King's overall play. Seems every player can shoot. Mike Wagner may be the 3pt ringleader but "no Conscious" Fiorino hoists them from the rafters with deadly accuracy...Frosh #34 is impressive and highly skilled. PG Stackhouse can drill them along with Reisig (sp), Brasky etc.
The Monarchs mesh well, play hard and execute. A top notch coaching job by JP and staff.
For a group picked in the lower tier preseason, they have really developed into a threat.

As for DeSales...Darnell "Class" Braswell is a Phi Beta Kappa Freedom Leaguer. Like Allstate, the Bulldogs are in 'good hands' when "Class" has the rock at pivotal moments.  I still do not know how DeSales won that game!!!

Bull dog fans are probably spoiled but the performance by "Class" on Sat. was one of the very very best I have seen!

As usual, Coach Coval has a deep supporting cast and mixes and matches well. Thought Hunter is an impressive PG. Nice handle, excellent passer and he has some nice post up moves. Awful at the FT line Sat but that was just one game. Bob Zanneo (42) looked like he lost weight?? Matt Z, Malatesta all play within themselves and within the system.

To me, DeSales is probably still the top team but I don't think their post play is as strong as in recent past. They are vulnerable inside.

More later

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 15, 2010, 02:21:42 PM
We know that at 10:00 pm on Tuesday (weather permitting of course) at least one team will be in ( the winner of King's/ Misericordia) and one team will be out (loser of Del Val/ Manhattanville).

A couple scenarios.

If DeSales beats Wilkes, then a second team will be eliminated. If Del Val and Eastern both win, and Wilkes loses, then the remaining games will be for seeding, because Del Val loses every tiebreaker with King's and Misericordia.

Manhattanville keeps their hopes alive with a King's to win Tuesday and a home win over Del Val.  In that situation, their Saturday game at Misericordia would turn into a play-in game (That is of course, unless Wilkes wins out, in which case the three way tie would go to Wilkes by virtue of their win over DeSales tomorrow night ;-) ) . Nonetheless, Manhattanville is the team on the outside that needs the least help.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 15, 2010, 03:47:52 PM
Quote from: chairman on February 15, 2010, 02:21:42 PM
We know that at 10:00 pm on Tuesday (weather permitting of course) at least one team will be in ( the winner of King's/ Misericordia) and one team will be out (loser of Del Val/ Manhattanville).

A couple scenarios.

If DeSales beats Wilkes, then a second team will be eliminated. If Del Val and Eastern both win, and Wilkes loses, then the remaining games will be for seeding, because Del Val loses every tiebreaker with King's and Misericordia.

Manhattanville keeps their hopes alive with a King's to win Tuesday and a home win over Del Val.  In that situation, their Saturday game at Misericordia would turn into a play-in game (That is of course, unless Wilkes wins out, in which case the three way tie would go to Wilkes by virtue of their win over DeSales tomorrow night ;-) ) . Nonetheless, Manhattanville is the team on the outside that needs the least help.

Reading that made me dizzy.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 15, 2010, 04:03:10 PM
That was the goal.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopzwiz on February 17, 2010, 12:36:01 AM
So if I'm not mistaken, the four teams are set but seeding is still a grey area...interesting that 3 of the
teams(desales, eastern, miseri) are all former PAC/CSAC members.
Anyone see Tuesday's games?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 17, 2010, 12:50:57 AM
DeSales has been in the MAC for a long time.

Regardless, your point is well-taken. I saw the FDU-Eastern game. Katz made some big plays down the stretch, and he just got to the foul line a lot down the stretch. Nelson and Malloy were in foul trouble early, and the Eastern team could never really establish an inside game.

The difference in the game was at the foul line. Eastern hit 8-11 and FDU hit 23-29. Hats off to the Devils for making their shots, but the 18 shot disparity was really tough for the Eastern bench to handle.

Nonetheless, Eastern still holds the key to the second seed in their hands. a pair of home wins and they will host the first round.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: phillyguy on February 17, 2010, 12:53:57 AM
miseri took it to kings tonite.  got every loose ball, outrebounded the monarchs and clearly wanted it more .  the monarchs are a strange team, they can look awfully good when committed, and awfully bad when disinterested, like they were tonite.  give miseri credit, they outplayed, outcoached and outhustled kings - especially in the second half.  they made adjustments, kings did not.  
looks like a desales-kings and miseri-eastern matchup in the playoffs.  miseri will give eastern all they want and more.  desales is cruising now and kings essentially backed into the playoffs after starting out 5-1 in league......but they somehow play desales tough.  that one has a chance to be interesting, depending on which kings squad suits up that night.  
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 17, 2010, 07:29:15 AM
I'm not sure that King's was disinterested.  They certainly seemed interested when they jumped out to a 10-2 lead and were up 35-31 at halftime.

They were probably interested when it was a four-point margin with 10 minutes to go.

Misericordia didn't miss many shots the rest of the way.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 17, 2010, 09:18:32 AM
The field is set...the seedings are not.

Updated Matrix

http://athletics.desales.edu/custompages/gen/2009-10/MHoopsMatrix.pdf (http://athletics.desales.edu/custompages/gen/2009-10/MHoopsMatrix.pdf)

DeSales is obviously locked into the #1 spot.  The other seeds are up for grabs.

If Eastern wins both its final two games, they'll get #2.  If they lose their last two games and King's wins at Wilkes, then Eastern is #4.  If Eastern splits, it all depends on how Misericordia does with Manhattanville on Saturday.  They could be #2 or #3 in that scenario.

Misericordia gets #2 with a win and one Eastern loss or two Eastern losses (regardless of what they do vs. Manhattanville).  They are locked into at least the #3 seed in my scenario machine.

King's is #4 unless Eastern loses both its remaining two games in which case it can move to #3 with a win over Wilkes and those two Eastern losses.

Congrats to all the teams in the playoffs.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 17, 2010, 09:37:24 AM
Hoopzwiz,

I doubt that most folks on this board even know that DeSales was ever in the PAC.

Perhaps because they were Allentown College at the time and it was only for a couple of years in the mid 90's.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 17, 2010, 09:47:30 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 17, 2010, 09:37:24 AM
Hoopzwiz,

I doubt that most folks on this board even know that DeSales was ever in the PAC.

Perhaps because they were Allentown College at the time and it was only for a couple of years in the mid 90's.


You are correct sir...Allentown College we were and we were in the PAC for barely a cup of tea (3 years - 94-95, 95-96, 96-97).
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 17, 2010, 10:12:53 AM
Were a Centaurs fan?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jumpball on February 17, 2010, 11:23:48 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 17, 2010, 07:29:15 AM
I'm not sure that King's was disinterested.  They certainly seemed interested when they jumped out to a 10-2 lead and were up 35-31 at halftime.

They were probably interested when it was a four-point margin with 10 minutes to go.

Misericordia didn't miss many shots the rest of the way.

when every loose ball is picked up by the same team, and that same team gets offensive rebound after offensive rebound, i would agree that disinterested is a pretty good description.....
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 17, 2010, 11:34:24 AM
Quote from: jumpball on February 17, 2010, 11:23:48 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 17, 2010, 07:29:15 AM
I'm not sure that King's was disinterested.  They certainly seemed interested when they jumped out to a 10-2 lead and were up 35-31 at halftime.

They were probably interested when it was a four-point margin with 10 minutes to go.

Misericordia didn't miss many shots the rest of the way.

when every loose ball is picked up by the same team, and that same team gets offensive rebound after offensive rebound, i would agree that disinterested is a pretty good description.....
You must've been sitting near phillyguy.

There isn't a stat to track loose balls, but Misericordia had 11 offensive rebounds to eight for King's - not exactly lopsided.

I saw a very competitive game for the first 30 minutes - maybe that's when King's became disinterested.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 17, 2010, 04:07:23 PM
C'mon Lefty,

They had to be disinterested. No way they could have lost if they had been interested.

In all seriousness,

I think King's "reversion to the mean" is similar to what we are seeing across the board in the league. Every team in this league is capable of winning home games against every other team. For Misericordia to beat King's at Misericordia makes a lot of sense. The Freedom Conference is very balanced, and in competitive Leagues, home teams have a tendency to finish out games with more in the tank than visiting teams.

I think it was probably unrealistic to expect King's to roll through the second half of the year the way they did the first. King's did not add a ton of new players from 08-09, and while they surprised several teams early, they were bound to run into some match-up issues the second time through.

BJ. Thanks for the scenario wizard. I'm hoping that it works on a MAC as well.

Willkes at EU tomorrow night.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 18, 2010, 09:36:35 AM
Chairman,

I agree - the Freedom is nothing if not balanced.

DeSales is the best team and everyone else is in a close group.  FDU has played strong of late and is better than their record.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 19, 2010, 01:29:56 AM
Disinterested might be the word to describe Wilkes today. EU turned a 19-12 deficit into a 51-33 lead over a stretch in the middle of the game. DeRojas made some shots early, but the Wilkes bigs, who each had three or four inches on everyone except Mbanda, did not finish with any kind of efficiency until #32 came into the game with nine minutes to play.

Eastern moves into a tie for second with Misericordia. Quiet night for Soaries, but Wright and Nelson each put together decent nights at the offensive end and the Colonels never really got anything going.

Eastern women snap a 19 game losing streak in the league.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 19, 2010, 10:22:12 AM
I'm going to give jumpballguy the benefit of the doubt on the "disinterested" comment - I'll take the blame for taking it out of context.

Not that seeding and home games aren't important - but the last couple of days are terribly exciting.  It's much more fun when teams are scratching and clawing to get in the playoffs.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Wolfpac on February 19, 2010, 05:10:32 PM
Go EU........seems like the board is talking about EU alot now.  Would love to see the Eagles take the conference from Desalles or Allentown (AC).  Go Coach N>

Where is the Chizwiz and the Chairman?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 19, 2010, 07:42:33 PM
Wolf,

Chairman posted just two posts prior to yours.

I didnt' think a Cabrini guy could root for Eastern (and vice versa) under any circumstances.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Wolfpac on February 19, 2010, 10:03:45 PM
Got my EU sweatshirt, and even took a class over there back in the day!

Come on now, Bob McTammey and Jim and all the Nadelhoffers are my buds no matter what.  I do bleed blue and white though.  Seriously, there were many good times over there at EU like the 6 overtimes during the Dzik era and when Dzik said to the 3pt shooter on the Cavs (Voz) "whatever you do don't hit the rafters" and naturally he did with his high arcing shots!  The mascot with the bell and the poor guy who was so good until we got in his head named "ARNOLD" wow what great times so I must support the Eagles over those other teams except for Misericordia they are a class act. 

I must admit all the teams in the MAC work hard so in both conferences and the student athletes bust their tails so it is all good.  Just remember when you guys jumped all over me because I talked about EU too much when they were a little down and out.  We discussed low scores with the 3 ball and the percentages but it is all good.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 20, 2010, 12:40:57 AM
Sam? Are you coming to the game today? I'm intrigued by two things for tomorrow.
First question is whether Manhattanville will beat Misericordia in Dallas. If the Cougars shoot 47 free throws, then Manhattnaville will lose. The Valiants tend to give up a lot more free throws on the road. I'm not sure they can be successful without playing in your face defense, and I think what is considered acceptable hand checking etc. in the area around the city is called a foul everywhere else. We'll see what happens.

Eastern vs Del Val should be interesting. I fully expect the Aggies to bring it tomorrow, and the game has significant meaning or Eastern in a lot of ways.

I was discussing post-season awards today and there are some interesting question marks for all-conference. I think POTY and Rookie of the Year are locks. I would listen if someone gave another idea for ROY, but I only see a couple freshmen starters and there is really only one who makes a major impact at the offensive end of the floor.

The other three questions are related, but also separate. The first is how many guys on teams below .500 in conference and outside the playoff picture will make the team. There are several players at the top of several statistical categories who will be done tomorrow. I am sure some will make first or second team, but how many?

Second, there are several of those teams who will have some questions as to which of their top two guys they want to push for all conference (assuming that most believe they won't get two). Manhattanville, Wilkes, and Del Val each have this question to answer.

Third, and this question is the elephant in the room, is will coaches vote for a guy who entered the league as a second semester senior? There is no questioning his production (some might wonder why there isn't a correlation between production and wins, but there is more to that than one player), but there is a certain--I'm not sure I can think of the exact word, but chicanery comes to mind. I hope that he is working toward his degree and that the transfer in is a positive academic experience, but will coaches vote for a him and will his own coach put him up over a junior 1000 point scorer in his second year in the program.

Time will tell.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 20, 2010, 12:27:05 PM
Quote from: chairman on February 20, 2010, 12:40:57 AM
First question is whether Manhattanville will beat Misericordia in Dallas. If the Cougars shoot 47 free throws, then Manhattnaville will lose.

If Misericordia shoots 47 free throws, I'm going to be late for supper.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 20, 2010, 12:48:11 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 20, 2010, 12:27:05 PM
Quote from: chairman on February 20, 2010, 12:40:57 AM
First question is whether Manhattanville will beat Misericordia in Dallas. If the Cougars shoot 47 free throws, then Manhattnaville will lose.

If Misericordia shoots 47 free throws, I'm going to be late for supper.


Supper?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 20, 2010, 05:47:58 PM
Did you get home in time for supper. 36 is enough to cause the Valiants problems.

Didn't see Sam in St. Davids today. Big day for Nelson. He hit for 23 on 5-8 threes. Wright scored 12 points after half.

Hats off to Chris Myers on a really solid final regular season game. The senior guard had 9 pts, 5 rbs, and 6 assists in 40 minutes. He took just four points and worked all over the floor on defense. It is the seventh time this year Myers has gone 40 or more minutes in a game.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Wolfpac on February 20, 2010, 07:39:46 PM
Good job EU...... knew you guys would do it.  Good luck in the playoffs!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 20, 2010, 08:39:01 PM
Quote from: chairman on February 20, 2010, 05:47:58 PM
Did you get home in time for supper. 36 is enough to cause the Valiants problems.

Didn't see Sam in St. Davids today. Big day for Nelson. He hit for 23 on 5-8 threes. Wright scored 12 points after half.

Hats off to Chris Myers on a really solid final regular season game. The senior guard had 9 pts, 5 rbs, and 6 assists in 40 minutes. He took just four points and worked all over the floor on defense. It is the seventh time this year Myers has gone 40 or more minutes in a game.
Manhattanville is physical.  They were called for 24 fouls and it could've been more.

I don't know about NEPAFAN, but I did make it home for supper.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 21, 2010, 12:42:58 AM
The regular season is done.

The preseason poll was accurate in as much as it had DeSales in first, Del Val in sixth, and FDU last.

Final standings (with +/-) for spots in the conference.

1. DeSales (even)
2. Eastern (+2)
3. Misericordia (+4)
4. King's (+1)
5. Manhattanville (-3)
6. Del Val (even)
7. Wilkes (-4)
8. FDU-Florham (even)

I have no idea what this means, but I thought there were some interesting stories there.

I was bouncing all-conference around after the Del Val-Eastern game today, and I have some ideas. I'd love to see some banter from the board about who should be on which team. As I mentioned before, I think POY and ROY are locks, but the breakdown and selection of All-Conference and Coach of the Year are interesting discussions.

I have my opinions, but I will hold them back until there is a little banter on the board. This is in no way meant to be official, but instead is for fun.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopzwiz on February 21, 2010, 10:51:29 AM
Here's my take....
First team- Braswell(poy), Soaries, Conroy, Delprete, Kresge.

Second team- Hunter, Wagner,White,Fetzke, Jones

Honorable Mention - Pointer,Gabriel,Nelson,Slanovec,Laroche

COY-put Coval, Woodruff, Nadelhoffer in a hat. Desales took everyone's best shot and won anyway.
Nobody thought much of miseri's talent at the start..thus picking them next to last but finishing tied for second.
Eastern expected to challenge for playoffs but suffers some key personnel losses and still getting a home playoff game.

As a side note, I like the home teams Wednesday.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 21, 2010, 06:33:43 PM
Interesting note. I was cruising through the Freedom Conference stats today (conference only), and there is one stat that so closely mirrors the league standings that it cannot be a coincidence. Scoring defense within league games has the standings nearly spot on. Misericordia is fifth and Manhattanville is fourth. All the other teams are exactly as they finish.

Good start on the list Wiz. I'm going to wait to respond until there is a little more action on this. Maybe Sam can write a poem that includes the entire list.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 21, 2010, 09:05:16 PM
Quote from: chairman on February 21, 2010, 06:33:43 PM
Interesting note. I was cruising through the Freedom Conference stats today (conference only), and there is one stat that so closely mirrors the league standings that it cannot be a coincidence. Scoring defense within league games has the standings nearly spot on. Misericordia is fifth and Manhattanville is fourth. All the other teams are exactly as they finish.

Good start on the list Wiz. I'm going to wait to respond until there is a little more action on this. Maybe Sam can write a poem that includes the entire list.

I was never very good at match, but the scoring defense stat didn't seem right - it was Manhattanville and King's the flip-flopped - not Misericordia.

SCORING DEFENSE
# Team                  G   Pts Avg/G
-------------------------------------
1.DeSales............. 14   845  60.4
2.Eastern............. 14   872  62.3
3.Misericordia........ 14   903  64.5
4.Manhattanville...... 14   923  65.9
5.King's.............. 13   868  66.8
6.Delaware Valley..... 13   919  70.7
7.Wilkes.............. 14   999  71.4
8.FDU-Florham......... 14  1003  71.6
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 21, 2010, 10:59:30 PM
my bad.... even more convincing....
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Uncle Sam on February 22, 2010, 09:38:14 AM
'Twas right before playoffs and all through the MAC,
Everyone was wondering- Will Uncle Sam be back?
So Sam has arrived with a message for you.
This will be his last, here on 2/22.
You can all take your shots at Del Val and Sam.
But its now time to discuss America's Program.
Years and years of losing took place along the way,
Until Coach Stitzel arrived in Doylestown, P A.
In two short years, they are built to compete.
Next years playoff run, will surely be sweet.
Your all-conference lists should include Jones and White.
As much as you all hate it, Uncle Sam is right.
So as the playoffs push on and the summer draws near,
There is one more thing that you all need to fear.
As the off-season is filled with many recruiting wars,
Coach Stitzel's recruiting class will be better than yours...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopzwiz on February 22, 2010, 11:04:35 AM
Uncle Sam, thats good stuff :) :) :)

Should the league be more worried about the summer time recruiting for Del Val or the Christmas time recruiting next December?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 22, 2010, 01:02:26 PM
Was looking at some stats a few games back and noticed that DeSales, Miseri and Eastern were the 3 top shootng % squads. DeSales and Eastern led in 3 pt shooting % as well.  DeSales also was leading in rebounding. (total).  Four teams had more assists than turnovers (Desales, Miseri, Kings and Eastern). Makes me go hmmmmm.

Take care of the ball, hit the open man and rebound.  Simple formula.....Still works 100 years plus aafter I invented this game...lol.

Naismith


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Quote from: lefty2 on February 21, 2010, 09:05:16 PM
Quote from: chairman on February 21, 2010, 06:33:43 PM
Interesting note. I was cruising through the Freedom Conference stats today (conference only), and there is one stat that so closely mirrors the league standings that it cannot be a coincidence. Scoring defense within league games has the standings nearly spot on. Misericordia is fifth and Manhattanville is fourth. All the other teams are exactly as they finish.

Good start on the list Wiz. I'm going to wait to respond until there is a little more action on this. Maybe Sam can write a poem that includes the entire list.

I was never very good at match, but the scoring defense stat didn't seem right - it was Manhattanville and King's the flip-flopped - not Misericordia.

SCORING DEFENSE
# Team                  G   Pts Avg/G
-------------------------------------
1.DeSales............. 14   845  60.4
2.Eastern............. 14   872  62.3
3.Misericordia........ 14   903  64.5
4.Manhattanville...... 14   923  65.9
5.King's.............. 13   868  66.8
6.Delaware Valley..... 13   919  70.7
7.Wilkes.............. 14   999  71.4
8.FDU-Florham......... 14  1003  71.6

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 22, 2010, 03:01:02 PM
WIZ. If I could give multiple karma points I would.

Sam- I won't argue that White and Jones are All-Conference caliber players, but their results in league play were not spectacular, and as our friend Herman Edwards says, "you play to win the game."  There is no question about the talent of those two, or even some of the supporting cast.

I think, however,  there are legitimate questions concerning their commitment to building for the long term. To change the focus of your offense for a second semester senior transfer is not, in my opinion,  long view thinking, and the current DelVal roster has a single freshman in the top six in points or rebounds.

Beckett is a nice player, but I think we need to wait and see a recruiting 'class' before we proclaim it will "surely be sweet." Even without unexpected attrition, the Aggies lose a lot from this year's group that didn't make the playoffs. 

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 22, 2010, 03:07:52 PM
I think Sam is more concernced with rhyme than accuracy.

With that, I gave him +1 for his effort.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on February 22, 2010, 03:16:39 PM
Chairman:

Completely agree.  Good post.  +K to you.

And to Uncle Sam for livening up the board.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 22, 2010, 03:22:52 PM
Adding a bit more:

One mistake in stat post above. The Aggies had positive assist to TO's and not Eastern.

DeSales led in total rebounds, shooting %, 3 pt shooting % and total assists.
The top 3 seeds are the top FG% teams in the conference.
Three of top 4 seeds hold the 1,2,3 position in total assists.
The top four seeds have the fewest turnovers.  

On the downside:

Wilkes and FDU 2 of worst FG% squads. Wilkes at 25% worst 3 pt shooting team. FDU not far behind at 28%
On the bright side, Wilkes #2 in FT % , #2 total rebounds and #1 offensive rebounds (combo of poor shooting and some talented bigs)
FDU lead league in Turnovers and Fewest Assists.

Delval and M-ville had middle of the road stats. M-ville were the top pilferers (Wilkes 2nd).
Kings top stat was assists which placed them 2nd.

After some review and from personal observations:

1st team:
Braswell, Kresge, Hunter, Jones, White
2nd team:
Soaries, Wagner, Del Prete, Little, Conroy

Honorable Mention:

Stackhouse, Slavonec, Johnson, LaRoche, Pointer, Nelson,

COY:

Trevor W.

POY:

Braswell

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 22, 2010, 05:46:18 PM
Nais--

Your list confuses me a little. I could see arguments for Hunter or White/Jones/ Kresge in the first team, but I cannot process a systematic approach where all four make it.

I think the reason for putting Hunter (16th in scoring, 9th in steals, 4th in assists) in front of Soaries (T -4th scoring, 1st steals, 6th fg%, 5th ft%, 4th blocks, 1st minutes), Del Prete (3rd scoring, 4th steals), and Conroy (7th scoring, t5th rebounding, 5th fg %)  would be that you value winning, and he helps his team to win, and DeSales won at a much higher rate than those three did. I have no problem with that logic.

You also have three guys on the first team who put up prodigious numbers, but whose teams did not finish in the top five in an eight team league. I'm not sure you can do both.

Can you explain?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jumpball on February 22, 2010, 06:38:19 PM
my teams look a lot like naismiths.  my only real comment is that myers has to be listed on my squad - begrudgingly HM - i want to place him on 2nd team.  he doesn't show up on the leader boards like some others but he is the most disruptive defensive force i saw on the perimeter all season and his value does not show in a boxscore.  that young man plays on any team i post, and i feel like l'm short-changing him as HM; anyone else see what I'm seeing there??  i love that kid.

COY:  Woodruff (close)
POY:  Braswell   (no one else even in the same conversation)
ROY:  Nelson 

1st Team:  Braswell, Soaries, Kresge, White, DelPrete

2nd Team: Jones, Conroy, Feske, Pointer, Slanovec

HM:  Wagner, Hunter, Laroche, Stackhouse, Myers, Nelson

Might be guilty of slighting Little - in my opinion its not accidental the four playoff teams are who they are when you look at their PGs.
and thank you uncle sam....your posts were the most fun all season....looking forward to more.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: MACfan08 on February 23, 2010, 09:44:42 PM
Man what a year in the MAC very very interesting in my mind. But its playoff time and I see one of the greatest match up pop up once again. King's at DeSales in the first round how can you ask for anything more.

JP will try to take his team that in my mind is one year away from being a championship caliber team into the shoe box of DeSales and get another win in the playoffs. The Monarchs have had success there in the past but that was a whole different level of team that boarded the buses when it came to the playoffs. I see the Monarchs going down there and putting up a good fight but just not being able to pull it out. Andrejko will key on Braswell big time since he is the main reason Desales won up in Wilkes-barre but it will not be enough. I say close game and good game but Desales comes out the winner by 11.

Next you have a upper class team in Eastern with a home game in the playoffs which will pay off big time in my mind. The Eagles are coming into the game I am sure feeling great about their chances. Now Misericordia is going to come down there tomorrow night and Trevor will have these kids jacked up on speed and they will be ready to go. I think this game is won in the first five minutes if you ask me. If Eastern can handle the emotions that Miseri will try to play with I feel like they have a very winnable game and should be looking at a matchup with Desales in the championship game. Inexperience in the playoffs for the Cougars will hurt them both players and coaching wise I look to see the eagles win this game and am going to make a bold prediction that it will be by 16.

Upset if I had to pick one! King's beats Desales only because of coaching. JP is capable of coming up with a game plan to win this game and like I said if I had to pick an upset I would put my money on the Monarchs before I would the cougars.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 23, 2010, 10:23:46 PM
If DeSales is a shoebox, then what is the St. Davids Athletic and Convocation Center? A match box?

The Misericordia/ Eastern game should be interesting. The box scores from the two games between the two couldn't be more different. Game 1 where Eastern won, neither team could miss a shot. Eastern shot 75% in the second half, and Misericordia hit 58% from behind the arc.
Game 2 at Misericordia featured a 26% shooting night from the floor for Eastern and a very sub-par shooting night for the Cougars (38%) as well. That game, played on Super Bowl Sunday, never felt like it had any rhythm or flow.

I would guess that tomorrow night's game will be somewhere in the middle. Eastern will look to control tempo, and Misericordia will look to spread the floor for their shooters. An x factor for the game could be the play of sophomore reserve center Eddie Mbanda. The 6-8 Rwandan will be the biggest player on the floor when he enters the game, and he has put together several productive stretches through the final weeks of the season.

I honestly have no idea what is going to happen in the King's/ DeSales game. Having seen both teams only twice, I would make DeSales a favorite by a lot (That and the fact that they are 13-1 and haven't lost a league game at home in a long time). But, this league is about match-ups, and I think King's, for whatever reason, is a tough squad for DeSales to match up with. If Braswell is not in serious foul trouble or on a bad shooting night, I can't see how King's will be able to win, but if he is off or in foul trouble, then I think the game goes up for grabs a little more. That being said, there haven't been many of those nights this year.

Jumpball, thanks for your props to Myers. He is a tremendous leader and a great kid. I don't know that I've seen a player squeeze more out of his potential than Chris. His character and determination infect his teammates. That being said, I think HM is where he belongs. He has had some great games defensively, but he also got caught on a couple occasions in match-ups that he couldn't deal with.

He doesn't turn the ball over, he makes good decisions with the ball, and he does his part to knock down some big shots, but he is averaging 5 ppg. Would I want him on my team? Absolutely. Do I wish that every player in my program follows his example on the court and in the classroom? Without a doubt. But I think he is on the outside looking in at the first two teams.

I like your list. I think I would have to get Hunter in the second team, and I would seriously consider switching Jones and White. I felt Laroche was better than Pointer in the two games I saw Manhattnaville, but the coaches all see how they are nominated and also see at least four or five games from each team, so they can sort that out.

Safe travels to all.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 23, 2010, 10:34:24 PM

Quote from: chairman on February 22, 2010, 05:46:18 PM
Nais--

Your list confuses me a little. I could see arguments for Hunter or White/Jones/ Kresge in the first team, but I cannot process a systematic approach where all four make it.

I think the reason for putting Hunter (16th in scoring, 9th in steals, 4th in assists) in front of Soaries (T -4th scoring, 1st steals, 6th fg%, 5th ft%, 4th blocks, 1st minutes), Del Prete (3rd scoring, 4th steals), and Conroy (7th scoring, t5th rebounding, 5th fg %)  would be that you value winning, and he helps his team to win, and DeSales won at a much higher rate than those three did. I have no problem with that logic.

You also have three guys on the first team who put up prodigious numbers, but whose teams did not finish in the top five in an eight team league. I'm not sure you can do both.

Can you explain?


I'll try.
I chose one PG, Shooting Guard, Small Forward, Power Forward and Center.

Hunter and Little were 2 of 3 pg's that were around the century mark in assists and around 2-1 orr better assists to turnovers.
Both are unselfish and presented machup problems for opponents. Hunter can post most opposing PG's and Little penetrates well and is an underrated scorer.
I think Miseri suffers without Little's leadership. He made everyone on that team better.
Hunter plays a 'quiet' but effective game. He defers to Braswell and orchestrates a very team oriented scheme at DeSales. Was impressed with his overall game.
King's Stackhouse is right there as well.

The '2' was a tough choice. Jones or Soaries. To me, Jones is just such an explosive force offensively ...hard to deny him a spot.
Braswell is the '3' and Kresge the '4'.  I think both of these players were clearly the top players at their respective positions.

White was the top Center.

I chose whom I felt was the top player at each position rather than the 'best' 5 players.
I really didn't judge by 'stats' or by 'winning'. Considerations were team play, matchups, productivity and talent and my century of experience at observing the game.

Hope that helps.

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 23, 2010, 11:37:46 PM
So... If team play and productivity were part of the equation, how does Del Val go 4-8 and not win a road game in the league with two first-team All-Conference players on their squad?

Productivity without results may be full of sound and fury, but it's not the game you invented. "YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME."  The coaches will speak, but I do not think there will be, or should be, three guys on teams that did not make the play-offs on the first team. I also can't see a situation where some really good players on three play-off teams get shut out of the first team.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopzwiz on February 24, 2010, 12:10:32 AM
Random thoughts...
Im on record picking home teams but I will take Misericordia to cover the 16.

I agree that kings has a shot.....not sure what the coach can do that he hasn't already. Can't change your players.

Soaries & Del Prete are definately first team.

Saw Misericordia 2 times this year, them winning wouldn't shock me.

Anyone picking a road team?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 24, 2010, 09:27:12 AM
If DeSales is a shoebox, then Eastern is a phone booth.  It's OK though we are used to the "your gym is too small comments."  We like our gym and clearly enjoy playing in it.  We also don't mind that others don't like playing in it.

I'll save my predictions on both the all-conference team and the games tonight for when I am retired.  But for the record, I am rooting for DeSales.

I do enjoy reading everyone's comments...they've been very good.  Some I agree with, some I don't...that's what makes it fun.

Enjoy the games tonight!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jumpball on February 24, 2010, 11:38:09 AM
as much as i'll pull for the visitors tonite, i think the home squads prevail.  miseri can shoot with and maybe better than anyone.   i agree, if they get off fast....look out, they can win, but eastern defends awfully well, especially at home.  cannot see braswell going down at home, although i think kings is as good or stronger man for man outside of him., (i know - HUGE conditional)  as far as i know, no one has stopped him yet, don't see why it would happen tonite.  and desales has some real snipers from deep, which should keep the kings inside advantage at bay.   i think both games are tight until last 4-5 minutes, then goes to 8-10 point spreads due to needs to foul and shoot 3's by the visiting teams, making the games look easier in the score than what traspires on the court. 
chair; myers deserves all the props i can give him, i don't care if he ever scores a point and the only matchups i ever see him in, he wins.  you might be right, hunter may be 2nd team, just not sure who to drop to HM.  hey, they're all very strong players and deserving.  there's always 18-20 guys to fit into 15 slots.......fun to read everyone's take on it.   be safe on those roads tonite, not sure when this next mess is descending on us.......at least pitchers and catchers are on the news now.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 24, 2010, 12:02:45 PM
For what it's worth, there is no honorable mention category - at least there wasn't last year.

There are only 10 spots - five first-team and five second-team.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chizwiz on February 24, 2010, 08:42:32 PM
Good luck to Miseri on Saturday.  Rough game for EU fans down here in St. Davids.  Would have liked to have been there, but was roughing it over live webcast.  Many thanks to the SID at EU for getting that together for those of us not able to make it to the game.

It looked like EU was having problems limiting penetration and stopping the post game.  Also, EU was bad from the line.  Looking forward to watiching this great group of guys next year.  Sorry to see Myers go . . . great kid.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 24, 2010, 10:11:57 PM
I'll echo C-Wiz's sentiments about the game tonight. The Cougars looked older, hungrier, and better. Their zone gave the Eagles problems from the beginning, and they were able to make enough changes to their base defense to keep the Eastern team off balance while not giving away tons of easy baskets.
Witht he exception of the first Misericordia game when they went unconscious in the second half, Eastern has not been a team that could get back into things, and Misericordia did all the right things to win the game. They had just eight turnovers, moved the ball well, shot well, and hit their free throws at 88%. You can't come back from a ten point deficit against a team doing those things.
Despite a great effort from Myers, the Eastern team showed their youth a bit tonight. They have overcome a lot to get where they finished, and I think they played over their heads in several instances this year.
I think they will be back in the hunt next year, but they ran into a team that was better on this night. Congrats to Coach Woodruff and the Misericordia team. Whichever team wins on Saturday will be a worthy champion.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jumpball on February 25, 2010, 10:12:04 AM
kudos to the Bulldogs...they showed why they are champions last night with a convincing win v Kings.  Braswell was his usual stellar self and the supporting cast was almost as impressive.  they shot the lights out, especially in the 2nd half, but pretty much the entire game and Kings just could not keep up with them.  very intense affair, good atmosphere and great all-around play.  Desales had an answer for every run.....Kings did not do anything wrong, this one was about Desales doing things right.  Best wishes to the 'dogs as they move on, they are deserving, and will be a tough out for miseri and/or opponents thereafter.   although i won't miss braswell kicking our tails in the future, i will miss watching him play, easily the best player i have seen in the past two years, absolute pleasure to watch.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 28, 2010, 09:01:38 PM
http://www.mcall.com/sports/college/all-braswell.7191928feb27,0,6749174.story (http://www.mcall.com/sports/college/all-braswell.7191928feb27,0,6749174.story)

Nice story on DSU's Darnell Braswell written by local newspaper for those interested in reading.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Hugenerd on March 01, 2010, 12:59:30 PM
Those interested can find more information on MIT at the MIT Hoops Blog (http://mitbasketball.blogspot.com/)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on March 02, 2010, 06:28:54 PM
Freedom Conference All-conference released today.

1st Team- Braswell, Soaries, Kresge, Conroy, Del Prete
2nd Team- Pointer, Laroche, Jones, Fetske, Hunter

POTY- Braswell
ROTY- Alex Nelson
COY- Coval

Congrats to all who were honored. Good luck to DeSales in New Jersey this weekend.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopzwiz on March 02, 2010, 07:02:46 PM
Congratulations to all those selected and thanks for an exciting season. ....hard to argue POY, ROY or COY. Goods luck to DeSales.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on March 02, 2010, 08:01:18 PM
I think the coaches did a nice job with the all-conference team as well.  I don't think anyone that was absolutely deserving a spot on the all-conference team was left off.  Certainly there are a few players not among the top 10 that had solid years, but this is a pretty good representation.

I agree on POY, COY, ROY...POY and ROY were as clear cut as you get.  It would have been hard to argue with any of the four playoff coaches getting the award...they all did terrific jobs this season.  Winning 13 of 14 regular season conference games is hard to argue with.

We (DeSales) will do our best to represent the conference and the region well this weekend and hopefully in a few weekends after that.  We, as do all the teams in the NCAA Tournament, have a tough road ahead.  I think we are ready though (not that I have anything to do with that,  ;) ).
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jumpball on March 03, 2010, 09:35:14 AM
agreed on the teams' selections.  they were not much different than those proposed on the board.  interesting that white was not considered, i wondered how he would be handled by the coaches...still think he was the strongest inside presence without question, but a half-year is still a half-year i guess.  no complaints on those chosen, all deserving......... 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on March 03, 2010, 01:32:08 PM
It would be interesting to see the break-down on the number of votes White did receive. I think that coaches were likely to vote for one Del Val player (they finished sixth), and not two. IMO the coaches chose the right Del Val player. I agree that the list was pretty much right on.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on March 08, 2010, 10:46:44 AM
DeSale's Bulldogs still in it - GOOD LUCK!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jumpball on March 13, 2010, 01:41:32 PM
Tip of the cap to Desales, doing the league proud once again.  Great season.  I will miss watching Mr. Braswell.  I am hoping there is an overseas contract in his future somewhere.  Nice kid, great player.  Best of luck to him.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Coach K on March 14, 2010, 11:06:55 AM
Any word on when they will be announcing the participates for the D3 all-star game in Salem? Does Braswell have a shot?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on March 14, 2010, 01:23:20 PM
I believe they announce the participants in the NABC Senior All-Star game early this week.

As far as does Braswell have a shot?

I think he's a lock...but I can't say its official until I hear it on the official announcement.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: magicman on March 21, 2010, 03:26:51 AM
D3Hoops announced this year's All American Teams prior to Saturday's National Championship Game.

Darnell Braswell of DeSales University was named to the Second Team

No surprise for the Player of the Year honors as junior guard Steve Djurickovic of Carthage College won that award. 


Here is the link to see the complete list:

http://www.d3hoops.com/all-american/menallam10.htm
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Uncle Sam on September 06, 2010, 12:48:42 PM
Fall is here and summer has passed.
Uncle Sam is back from the shore, at last.
You all have missed him, this much is true.
But don't you go worrying, he's got a message for you.
Football, soccer and other sports compete,
But Del Val hoops brings Sam to his feet.
As you all get ready for the upcoming season,
Del Val's better than you, here is the reason:
Another great class is coming to school.
There are a lot of good players in that talent pool.
You'll discuss your teams, which you will overrate.
But Uncle Sam is tired of the Del Val hate.
We will see you in March, accept it or not.
When its all said and done, they're the best of the lot.
As he looks forward to all of your comments and cheer,
Be sure to remember, Uncle Sam is here.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on September 08, 2010, 11:58:33 AM
ok... we'll agree to see.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on September 15, 2010, 07:54:53 AM
Heh heh... Del Val...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Wolfpac on September 15, 2010, 09:06:54 PM
Hey Uncle Sam are you a Lit major? ? ?

:o

Maybe the women have a shot.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Wolfpac on October 02, 2010, 09:03:13 PM
Ok, who is coaching where in the MAC, anything new?  How good is EU this year?  Whats up with DeSales?    Misericordia going to shoot the lights out........?
Title: Re: pre season rankings
Post by: jumpball on November 04, 2010, 03:54:33 PM
I see the coaches poll is out, and by the looks of it, they too see the league as essentially WIDE open.  Cannot agree that FDU will not be a factor though - I really think they will surprise and give everyone problems if they are healthy and return same bunch from last season.  their starting unit is vastly underrated IMO.  should be interesting, nearly everyone lost some significant talent, who knows what the frosh will bring...braswell is irreplaceable, wilkes losing kresge will hurt and kings lost some perimeter scoring.  eastern should be strong as long as soaries can play. miseri can score, jones will light it up for delval and desales is still desales.  time for the board to heat up....need some new poetry sam....
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopzwiz on November 19, 2010, 10:07:17 AM
It's obviously early and the opponent wasn't strong but Wilkes looked good on Monday night at PSU-Hazleton.  If they are next to last in the Freedom then the Freedom is a strong conference.

Let's get this board going a little bit.
Title: Buzzer Beater
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on November 21, 2010, 12:26:33 AM
DeSales beats Alvernia, 77-74 on this shot on Saturday ---

http://athletics.desales.edu/news/2010/11/20/MBB_1120101743.aspx
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on November 22, 2010, 08:24:16 AM
Wow, BJ.  Great work on the video.  That half-court game-winner is a gem! Congrats to DeSales on the win.

Other news, I get to see a rematch of the 1999 MAC Championship game tomorrow at Leb Val tomorrow night.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jumpball on November 22, 2010, 10:41:33 AM
looks like the league is off to a real nice start as most teams took care of biz in their respective tourneys....impressive couple of wins for kings taking out a very good bridgewater team and then beating susquehanna on their home court.  showed surprising depth, especially in the forward ranks.  hammonds a real nice addition at 2 guard.  another tough match up with albright tomorrow night.  schedule is front-loaded with some strong teams but should make them a tougher group come league play
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 22, 2010, 10:04:07 PM
Wilkes lost to Galluadet at Muhlenberg...not a great start..
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: phillyguy on November 22, 2010, 10:48:02 PM
looks to me that the freedom teams went 18-5 over the weekend.  can't vouch for the level of competition in every case but thats a pretty fair start i think
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on November 24, 2010, 08:07:28 AM
Leb Val 80, Wilkes 61.  1st half seemed like an even enough game.  Wilkes hit a bunch of 3's to keep it a 1-possession game for most of the half.  2nd half - looked like Senior, and leading scorer, DeRojas didn't see much action.  Offense falls apart, Leb Val wins going away.

The good news for Coach Rickrode - his alma mater won an epic last night.  Skidmore pulls off a W in a D3 record SEVEN overtimes: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2010/11/longest---game---ever

Good seeing the Colonels back in the 717.  My compliments to the schedule maker.  See ya at Wilkes- King's One in a few months...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Uncle Sam on November 24, 2010, 10:24:53 AM
As we sit here and reflect on this Thanksgiving eve,
Sam has a word for you, you better believe.
He apologizes to all for his absense of late,
But some of your comments have Uncle Sam irrate.
Other than Jones, no mention of Del Val.
The Aggies have a squad that will make you say "WOW!"
Some early mis-steps have occured so far.
This is expected with how young they are.
As league games begin and we move through the year,
The Freedom will recognize who they must fear.
"America's Program" is what you will call them,
And Uncle Sam will leave you with this little gem:
Happy Thanksgiving to your families and you,
But the road to the Freedom rolls through Doylestown. It's true.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on November 27, 2010, 03:57:26 PM
hmmm.... This we know for sure. The Freedom Champion will play at least one game in Doylestown this season. Good rhyming Sam, but when your squad starts three seniors, you have to have a different excuse for early mis-steps. That being said, it looks like Coach Stitzel and his legion of assistant coaches have the Aggies competing against a good early season schedule.
Can we expect to see new faces at semester?

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopzwiz on December 01, 2010, 11:03:20 AM
And the league season begins tonight!

King's   @   Eastern       
FDU-Florham  @   Delaware Valley     
DeSales   @   Manhattanville     
Wilkes    @   Misericordia     

Who ya got?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on December 01, 2010, 09:41:47 PM
The Aggie men got revenge tonight, beating the FDU squad 73/72 with three ticks left on the clock.  Sealed it with a trey - Way to go Aggies!!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on December 04, 2010, 05:14:44 PM
Ah, once again the Aggie men have extracted revenge for the women's tough loss this afternoon - the guys won in OT, 82/79!!!  They beat DeSales on the Bulldogs home court.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on December 04, 2010, 11:01:46 PM
Congrats to the FDU men and women - sweep over Wilkes today....
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on January 04, 2011, 11:49:19 AM
FDU pulls one out!

Nice win over CNJ
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on January 06, 2011, 01:37:52 PM
http://www.mcall.com/sports/college/mc-divisions2and3-basketball-column-020110105,0,2350042.column

Great story on DSU senior Brian Hunter here for anyone wishing to read.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on January 08, 2011, 04:36:10 PM
Aggie men won today 77/69 over Misericordia.  The five starters had double figure scoring.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 12, 2011, 07:09:24 PM
Just checked out the MAC-F standings to get a read as to how the Wilkes-Eastern game would shake out tonight.  Saw Wilkes at 1-2, and Eastern at 2-1, and didn't really think too much of it.  Saw DeSales at 1-2, and thought it looked a little strange, and then, like seeing the Loch Ness Monster face-to-face, it appeared to me:

DELAWARE VALLEY 3-0

Del Val! First place by themselves! Is today April 1st? Did D3hoops get hacked? Is Uncle Sam a greater force than we originally considered??  Either way, ummm, congrats to Kate?

As a reminder, it's 7:08 Eastern Standard Time on Jan 12, 2011... and Scranton still sucks.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on January 13, 2011, 08:28:21 AM
Hi CJ, it's always fun to see your posts - however, last night was NOT a fun night for Aggie fans, as the guys couldn't get revenge for the women's loss, and despite 31 point from James Jones, they lost to King's.  Congrats on the Wilkes win.  The MAC looks very competitive this season.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jumpball on January 13, 2011, 10:12:33 AM
Agreed, the Freedom conference is anybodys race this season as it doesn't appear there are any dominant teams.  Makes for a lot of fun watching the games across the league.  James Jones was fantastic last night at Kings.  Was surprised his line wasn't even better as it seemed like he never missed.  don't think he even drew iron on his shots -  he was that good.  Big nights from Conroy (who was also a monster) and Stackhouse allowed Kings to prevail but he is a real force out there.  Like KIngs, looks like Del Val might be a little challenged with depth but their front-liners are all nice players....looks like every league game will be a dogfight this season and DelVal will be heard from as long as they can keep those guys out of foul trouble
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Uncle Sam on January 16, 2011, 09:00:12 AM
Well, well, well!  Look what we have here!
One question has become abundantly clear.
With all your junk defense and matchup zones,
Can anyone do anything to stop James Jones?
Del Val beat Eastern, That's nothing new.
Misericordia and DeSales?  They beat them too.
Uncle Sam warned you all how it would be.
He's full of knowledge and deserves a fee.
None of you gave Coach Stitzel a chance.
Now he's got his players and they will make the dance.
The only person who listened to Uncle Sam was Kate.
She understood the Freedom League's fate.
Uncle Sam and Kate, sitting in a tree.
W-I-N-N-I-N-G

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on January 16, 2011, 05:28:38 PM
It's a long way Sam. Good win for the Aggies on Saturday. Jones and Beckett were outstanding, and the home side definitely benefited from a set of the officials who were firmly committed to getting to watch the Steelers-Ravens game in its entirety. Without bench players who can score, Del Val could be in a world of hurt if either of the primary actors needs to come out of a game for any length of time with foul trouble.

It will take a minimum of eight wins to make the tournament. I'm not saying that Del Val won't get there, but I think it might be a little early to talk about the Dance when you have never finished in the top four in the league and you have a bench that averages 4 points per game.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 17, 2011, 06:56:13 PM
U.S.

GENIUS! I've already "applaud"-ed that last post.  It's funny, you post something similar to that pre-season, or at 1-4, we all think you're a fool.  You post it now?  Genius. ;D  Keep it up, my man...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on January 20, 2011, 05:50:01 PM
Six-way tie for second place produces a ton of chatter.

Seriously though, It looked as though things were going to go down to the wire. This Saturday's games mark the midway point for the Conference season, and there could be, depending on results against Del Val and FDU, a four way logjam at 4-3.

Congrats to Del Val for winning the first half of the season.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on January 21, 2011, 10:28:34 AM
The MAC website is so much fun to explore.  However, right on the front page is Del Val Senior Sport's Management Major, Jason Goldheimer, Men's Basketball Person of the Day!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jumpball on January 21, 2011, 11:30:09 AM
yeah, the board is comatose this year despite unbelievable parity in the league.  where are mac fan, chiz, and the others who usually stir things up?  kudos so far to the Aggies, but i think they might come back to the pack 2nd half as depth will be a real concern for them, - kings too.  wilkes has impressed, mullins a nice addition there.  still think FDU has a couple of wins in them and look for them to bump off some teams 2nd half.  they have more talent than their record shows.   miseri has some outstanding shooters but could be vulnerable defending inside.  looks like everybody has a few warts which makes it so close.... and fun.  interested to see who prevails in the eastern/ville matchup, that should be a good one.  i like ville to right the ship in the phone booth, miseri to take FDU in a tight one, delval to win at home and kings to edge desales in a close one at home, where they usually play them tough. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on January 21, 2011, 02:02:50 PM
In honor of the first trip thru the conference for each team this Saturday...I reveal the first edition of the 2010-11 Men's Basketball Freedom Conference Playoff Matrix.

Enjoy!  If the second half of the season is anything like the first half this document could prove to be quite handy.

http://athletics.desales.edu/custompages/gen/2009-10/MHoopsmatrix.pdf (http://athletics.desales.edu/custompages/gen/2009-10/MHoopsmatrix.pdf)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on January 21, 2011, 02:52:42 PM
I love that matrix, BJ
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on January 22, 2011, 10:49:47 AM
The Matrix is truly dizzying. I think it will take a couple more games to bring any kind of  'clarity' to the enormous number of hypothetical scenarios that could evolve, but I could see at least a seed being determined by point differential before the whole thing ends.

It's very likely that nothing will be secured until Feb 19.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on January 26, 2011, 12:32:38 PM
Eastern game with Messiah postponed tonight. A make-up date is not ruled out, but it is unlikely that the game will get played. Any news from Widener-DeSales?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on January 26, 2011, 12:44:13 PM
It's not snowing in (or very near) Chester and it's a relatively short drive down I-476.  My uniformed guess is that they'll play the game.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 26, 2011, 12:48:21 PM
DeSales announced, postponed until Thursday.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on January 26, 2011, 12:49:45 PM
(Very interesting.... 5 inches and counting in St. Davids, and it is supposed to get worse tonight. Whether or not Chester is snowed in, DeSales will have to roll through some really bad traffic and over slick road conditions. I would be very surprised to see the game happen.) This I wrote, then I checked Widener... http://www.widenerpride.com/news/2011/1/26/WSWIM_0126110849.aspx
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on January 26, 2011, 03:34:47 PM
Oh well.  Thus ends my brief career as a meteorologist.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on January 26, 2011, 04:34:18 PM
I dunno Gordon...I think you still have a shot at a career in weather.  It's not like those people are ever right either.

Meanwhile...as soon as you done reading the local radar...maybe you could answer my email,  :).
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on January 26, 2011, 04:51:08 PM
Ha.  I responded.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mailsy on January 28, 2011, 08:13:24 PM
The annual battle of Eagle Road is coming up on Monday night.  After EU plays @ DeSales and CC plays at Philly Bible the 30 year plus battle continues at the Dixon Center.  It will be one of those epic Eastern-Cabrini Battles.  Cabrini has owned the street sign for the last 2 years.  Will Eastern take the sign back or will Cabrini defend its turf?  Good luck to both teams Saturday.  ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on January 29, 2011, 11:03:07 AM
It should be a lively event. The two teams enter with very different MO's, and pace could have a lot to do with the outcome. Cabrini averages 79 points per game. Eastern gives up 58 ppg. I doubt the final will be in the 50's, but if the score creeps up near the mid 70's then that would seem to favor the Cavs.

While the game has massive rivalry implications, it is nice to see the two athletic departments working together for a good cause. The competitive food drive concludes Monday. People bringing food items to the game will be eligible to win raffle prizes. For more info read http://goeasterneagles.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1913&Itemid=1 (http://goeasterneagles.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1913&Itemid=1)

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2011, 03:16:08 PM
First Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/02/ncaas-mens-regional-rankings/
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on February 04, 2011, 10:35:43 AM
FDU making things interesting for others with a nice win last night!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 04, 2011, 02:07:29 PM
Interesting indeed.  Updated Matrix heading into Saturday's schedule of games.

http://athletics.desales.edu/custompages/gen/2009-10/MHoopsmatrix.pdf
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 06, 2011, 03:59:27 PM
The Aggies gave up first place in the league this afternoon, but as Gordon said, DeSales is experienced with playing in the big games.  Thank you, Gordon for great coverage - it was fun to watch, too, except in the last five minutes.  Hopefully they'll hang on for a play-off spot - GO AGGIES!  A big game with King's this Wed. night.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on February 06, 2011, 07:07:41 PM
Thanks for watching, Kate.  Glad it worked.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 09, 2011, 10:34:11 AM
Major good luck to the Aggies tonight as they take on King's - it would be a genuine thrill to watch them make the play-offs!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 12, 2011, 06:39:20 PM
Incredible win for the Aggies today, beating Wilkes with no time left on the clock, with free throws by ONE point 82/81!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 12, 2011, 10:04:32 PM
Updated matrix with two games left remaining this week.

http://athletics.desales.edu/custompages/gen/2009-10/MHoopsmatrix.pdf

A couple of notes:
- DeSales has clinched a playoff spot and needs one more win to clinch #1 seed and home court advantage.
- I didn't bother to go thru tiebreakers for the 2-3-4 spots but I believe Delaware Valley, Wilkes, Misericordia, King's, and even Manhattanville at 5-7 are all still alive for a playoff spot.  We will know a lot more and I'll go thru some scenarios after Tuesday's games for those interested.

Happy reading and prognosticating.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 15, 2011, 10:19:17 PM
Del Val prevailed tonight beating Manhattanville 104/92 on Senior Night at James Work!  What a game!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 16, 2011, 07:57:58 AM
Wilkes 72, DeSales 64... Nice!

And if I'm reading things properly, this win (1) clinches a playoff spot for Wilkes, and, almost as important, (2) eliminates King's from the playoffs.  Time to adjust my calendar for next Wednesday night.  Congrats, men!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 16, 2011, 02:53:22 PM
CJ,

You haven't mellowed CJ. Still a Lion Slayer.    ;D

Thinking of dedicating a YouTube production to Freedom Officials with title:

"Close Encounters of the Last Second"     ;)

In the past few weeks, I bring you: ( this is with apologies to Clint)...There is no good just:

BAD) ---- DeSales vs Kings (last Sat.) Tie game with 4 seconds on clock. A pass to the elbow and the beginning of a drive. Foul on Kings. No shot and no lost possession.
Two FT's and DeSales wins.

UGLY)----Wilkes - Del Val----Wilkes ahead 2 points with 1 second. Desperation heave from corner. Shot way off mark. Game over? No. Baseline official on top of play makes no call. Official at half court with no view of play blows whistle. Calls foul with 0 time on clock.   ???
Del Val sharpshooter makes all 3 and DV wins.
Wish I had been there. Wonder if the mystery official needed an escort.   :D


UGLIEST) Misericordia versus DeSales. Tie game. 3 seconds to go and Cougars have the ball. Robbie Johnson attempts shot and misses.  OT right...No :o   In scramble for the loose ball with bodies flying....an astute Freedom Zebra spots a 'loose ball' foul with 1 second. The foul is on MISERY with DeSales 90 feet from a winning basket with 1 second on the clock. HMMM!   ??? ???  DeSales converts and game set match.

Was all this real or was it just my imagination? ??? ;D

Naismith

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ronk on February 16, 2011, 03:22:22 PM
  That's the MAC that I used to know and love. I haven't seen it in the Landmark since Scranton joined or the Centennial that I watch on videostream. Maybe cuz a lot of their officials are friends/acquaitenances, they're on video now, or they've gotten better, younger, and less intimidated than in the past.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2011, 03:29:21 PM
Week 3 Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/16/ncaa-2011-regional-rankings-week-3/
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 16, 2011, 09:14:48 PM
Quote from: naismith on February 16, 2011, 02:53:22 PM
UGLIEST) Misericordia versus DeSales. Tie game. 3 seconds to go and Cougars have the ball. Robbie Johnson attempts shot and misses.  OT right...No :o   In scramble for the loose ball with bodies flying....an astute Freedom Zebra spots a 'loose ball' foul with 1 second. The foul is on MISERY with DeSales 90 feet from a winning basket with 1 second on the clock. HMMM!   ??? ???  DeSales converts and game set match.

Was all this real or was it just my imagination? ??? ;D

Naismith



Mr. Inventor of Hoops...were you there or did you just watch this on the video stream that Misery (as you call them) provides?

I couldn't tell if your post was a knock on the Freedom or not?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 17, 2011, 04:11:05 PM
Did not see the game.

Spoke to many who were there. My description was a summary of what others told me and, in all cases, they said the same thing. Ridiculous call.

My point was simply that within weeks we have 3 games decided in the waning seconds by the officials.
All on very marginal calls.

Nothing against the freedom conference itself.

I have been to many Freedom games and used to speak regularly with the Zebra Regulator (that is the guy who attends games and grades the officials).
The FC has some very well trained Zebras, some that belong in the ZOO and some that should be put out to pasture.  8-) ;D

Naismith

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 17, 2011, 05:36:35 PM
I just have a problem with people who blame officials for losing games.

Especially games they did not see with their own eyes.

I saw two of your three described games with my own eyes and your descriptions are so far from the truth (as I saw it) that it makes me wonder who you are getting your information from.

Quote from: naismith on February 17, 2011, 04:11:05 PM

I have been to many Freedom games and used to speak regularly with the Zebra Regulator (that is the guy who attends games and grades the officials).
The FC has some very well trained Zebras, some that belong in the ZOO and some that should be put out to pasture.  8-) ;D

Naismith

But don't all conferences have this.  I think the good far out-weigh the bad from what I see on a regular basis.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 18, 2011, 08:20:14 AM
Quote from: BJ - DSU SID on February 17, 2011, 05:36:35 PM

I saw two of your three described games with my own eyes and your descriptions are so far from the truth (as I saw it) that it makes me wonder who you are getting your information from.

Quote from: naismith on February 17, 2011, 04:11:05 PM
The FC has some very well trained Zebras, some that belong in the ZOO and some that should be put out to pasture.  8-) ;D

Naismith
But don't all conferences have this.  I think the good far out-weigh the bad from what I see on a regular basis.


BJ - all respect due, and admittedly you were there and I wasn't... BUT, of the 3 games mentioned, DeSales was the direct beneficiary of 2 of the calls.  Just putting it out there. :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 18, 2011, 08:22:45 AM
... and what are the chances we can talk the Freedom into playing the playoff games on Wednesday night at neutral site locations.  I, for one, think it'd be great to see Wilkes vs. Misericordia at the neutral site of saaaaay, Messiah.  Just hoping wherever Wilkes plays on Wednesday, it's Game 2 of a doubleheader.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 18, 2011, 09:32:53 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on February 18, 2011, 08:22:45 AM
... and what are the chances we can talk the Freedom into playing the playoff games on Wednesday night at neutral site locations.  I, for one, think it'd be great to see Wilkes vs. Misericordia at the neutral site of saaaaay, Messiah.  Just hoping wherever Wilkes plays on Wednesday, it's Game 2 of a doubleheader.


CJ

How the mighty have fallen. Where have the Wilkes teams of the late 90s gone. Landmarkers are hard on the royals but at least we have a NCAA appearance this century!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 18, 2011, 10:04:17 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 18, 2011, 09:32:53 AM
CJ
How the mighty have fallen. Where have the Wilkes teams of the late 90s gone. Landmarkers are hard on the royals but at least we have a NCAA appearance this century!


More than one appearance.
I miss Naismith.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on February 18, 2011, 10:05:56 AM
+1 for the Churchill!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 18, 2011, 10:11:12 AM
Quote from: bill on February 18, 2011, 10:05:56 AM
+1 for the Churchill!

Why thank you. And might I add one to your ledger....Bingo!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 18, 2011, 10:35:05 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on February 18, 2011, 08:20:14 AM

BJ - all respect due, and admittedly you were there and I wasn't... BUT, of the 3 games mentioned, DeSales was the direct beneficiary of 2 of the calls.  Just putting it out there. :)


I understand.  I knew that criticism would come my way.  Those who know me well know I do my very best to put personal rooting interests aside when evaluating situations.  I am not perfect in that regard but I am not sure anyone really is to be honest.

I will say I was sitting with a Wilkes-Barre native and local supporter at the Miseri game and that person at first reaction didn't agree with the call but after we talked about it, he understood the call and didn't really have a problem with it.

The late call vs. King's was a no-brainer.  I don't recall anyone in the gym (King's people included) having a beef with that call.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 18, 2011, 10:59:57 AM
Quote from: BJ - DSU SID on February 18, 2011, 10:35:05 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on February 18, 2011, 08:20:14 AM

BJ - all respect due, and admittedly you were there and I wasn't... BUT, of the 3 games mentioned, DeSales was the direct beneficiary of 2 of the calls.  Just putting it out there. :)


I understand.  I knew that criticism would come my way.  Those who know me well know I do my very best to put personal rooting interests aside when evaluating situations.  I am not perfect in that regard but I am not sure anyone really is to be honest.

I will say I was sitting with a Wilkes-Barre native and local supporter at the Miseri game and that person at first reaction didn't agree with the call but after we talked about it, he understood the call and didn't really have a problem with it.

The late call vs. King's was a no-brainer.  I don't recall anyone in the gym (King's people included) having a beef with that call.

I take it DeSales won both games.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 18, 2011, 11:25:49 AM
CC and NEPA,

:D ;D ::) :o
Thrilled to see I still have a following.

How's the pizza in Old Forge CC....Last I recall, I still think I owe you a dinner.  ???
But you are a real recluse my friend hibernating in the Landmark.
Let me know what you have been doing.

As for NEPA, your prayers may be answered in 2012. I heard some rumblings that the Royals, Colonels and Monarchs may renew
their rivalries around the Holidays. any news on that north of the Montage/Dixon line?


As to this raging debate, there is no real debate. Some people think Zebras have black and white stripes while others think they are white and black.


Calls are made in every game that can be questioned. Some worse than others.
To me, in the waning seconds of a game, the Zebra should be passive unless the infraction is so blatant that he has no choice. No blood no foul.

I feel that way no matter who is playing. Still think Seton Hall got jobbed back in 1989 when Rumeal Robinson was the beneficiary of a hand check 12 feet from the basket while making a kick out pass..... with 3 seconds left in OT!

With apologies to Judge Judy, you make the call.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vkukr6FgzpA


So relax there DSU-SID..........there is not anti-any program intended. In fact, I really admire the program SC has put together at DeSales. He is an excellent coach with an excellent system.

Naismith

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 18, 2011, 11:41:44 AM
Quote from: naismith on February 18, 2011, 11:25:49 AM

I feel that way no matter who is playing. Still think Seton Hall got jobbed back in 1989 when Rumeal Robinson was the beneficiary of a hand check 12 feet from the basket while making a kick out pass..... with 3 seconds left in OT!

With apologies to Judge Judy, you make the call.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vkukr6FgzpA

So relax there DSU-SID..........there is not anti-any program intended. In fact, I really admire the program SC has put together at DeSales. He is an excellent coach with an excellent system.

Naismith


I just watched the footage of the Hall vs. Michigan...I would agree 100%...that call was brutal with a capital "B".

Thanks for the back and forth over the last few days...nice to have some life on this board for a change.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on February 18, 2011, 11:44:15 AM
William Paterson coah Jose Rebimbas played for that Seton Hall team.

Viva Terry Dehare.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 18, 2011, 05:04:53 PM
Doubt Coach JR liked that call ....... 8-)

Yeah,  the board did liven upa bit.

Guess we should be doing our Freedom League piks soon

Last year I selected BrianHunter on the 1st team over Soaries of Eastern and took a lot of heat.

Do not anticipate the same reaction this year........ ;D

Naismith

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 18, 2011, 08:24:27 PM
In my book, a foul is a foul.  The problem with the foul at the end of the Misericordia/DeSales game was the non-call at the other end about 10 seconds earlier.  You can't have one official swallow his whistle at one end and have another guy make the opposite call at the other.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 18, 2011, 09:59:40 PM
Fire away on those all-league picks Naismith.

I'd look forward to reading your thoughts.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 19, 2011, 12:50:35 PM
One of the most interesting things I've seen this year is the end of the game buzzer-beater between Dominican and Benedictine. Tied 75-75 and Benedictine is holding for the last shot. They lose the ball and in the scramble near midcourt, a Benedictine player waylays the Dominican guy on a loose ball. Officials swallow the whistle because- hey, we don't want end the game on that-- ball squirts free to a Benedictine kid (OK I don't know if he is actually Benedictine, but that is the school he goes to) and he flips in a half-court shot. Ball game.

Point being, foul is a foul. I'm not sure I agree with that totally, but in this case it wound up being a gruesome mistake by the official.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 19, 2011, 05:33:22 PM
An amazing end to the regular season of the MAC Freedom - DeSales lost, Wilkes lost, Del Val won!!!  Anxious to see how the play-offs align!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 19, 2011, 05:42:52 PM
Props to you Uncle Sam.
It will be interesting to see how far Jones CARRIES Del Val in the play offs.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 19, 2011, 05:45:43 PM
Aggies - TOP SEED - Aggie proud!!!   The BEST luck to everyone in Doylestown Wednesday night!  (Sorry CJ)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Wolfpac on February 20, 2011, 10:22:45 AM
Kate what are the chances Cabrini and Del Val could meet up if both win their respective conferences?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Wolfpac on February 20, 2011, 10:27:15 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 18, 2011, 08:24:27 PM
In my book, a foul is a foul.  The problem with the foul at the end of the Misericordia/DeSales game was the non-call at the other end about 10 seconds earlier.  You can't have one official swallow his whistle at one end and have another guy make the opposite call at the other.

know the feeling Lefty been there in the Sweet 16 playoffs vs Etown, blatant foul with 3 seconds left at the top of the key and guy swallows whistle because the game was going to long anyway, only just 15 seconds earlier the same was called down the other end. The crowds were filling into the Catholic gym, pissed me off, not consistent nor fair to the players who work hard but you know how it is........ ashame.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 20, 2011, 11:11:21 AM
Good morning, Wolfpac!  IF, Del Val wins the conference, probably pretty darn good  :) - right now, i'm just basking in the "top seed" glow.  Good luck to Cabrini!   While i'm on here, just want to respond to Chairman, from everything i've seen this season from the Aggie men's team, it appears that each one of their starters carries the team on different nights.  James Jones is undoubtedly the star, but they all have star attributes and seem to be well coached.  I hope that James Work is packed to the rafters Wed. night.  Hate to admit this, but we'll be over in Center Valley watching DeSales & Kings at 6 pm.  When my Aggie Women's season is over we morph from green & gold to red & blue - GO AGGIE MEN & DESALES WOMEN!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: tribehoops on February 20, 2011, 12:53:08 PM
I'm interested to see if the MAC Freedom coaches, again find a way to screw Coach Stitzel out of the Coach of the Year award.  He should have won it two seasons ago when he led the Aggies to their 1st play-off birth in 40 years.  This year they are the top seed after missing the play-offs a season ago.  DVC and Wilkes have been evenly matched in their games this season and I expect a great game on Wed.  Regardless of the out come, Del Val has had a great season and Casey Stitzel is the COY in the Freedom.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 20, 2011, 03:04:03 PM
It's a shade over 2 hours from where I work to get to the barn at Delaware Valley.  I'm done with work at 6.  Any chance I can talk the good people of the Freedom Conference into an 8 PM start time?  Otherwise, sorry Kate, I'll have to miss my 1st career Wilkes playoff game as an alumnus. (It is "alumnus" right... one male graduate?) Someone had better have Live Stats!

Can't believe the parallel world we're living in, where guys like Naismith get ripped on, and Uncle Sam looks like a gosh darn genius!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 20, 2011, 04:41:24 PM
Quote from: kate on February 19, 2011, 05:45:43 PM
Aggies - TOP SEED - Aggie proud!!!   The BEST luck to everyone in Doylestown Wednesday night!  (Sorry CJ)

So that's how far the Freedom has slipped?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 20, 2011, 04:52:27 PM
Let's hope the Aggie Men do the trash talk with the ball Wednesday night, and whether it's Del Val or one of the other MAC play-off teams, that they wipe the court in the NCAA games!  ;)  GOOOOO MAC- GO DEL VAL!!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 20, 2011, 05:27:59 PM
Actually, cold case, i read your post at my low ebb (before dinner  :(), and i realize what you wanted said was something like "yes, since our five teams left the MAC, you've gone to total hell in a handbag - it's horrible" - again, we'll let our guys do the talking with the basketball.  On a brighter note, CJ, your posts make my day - as i said, we won't be there either.  Yes, our SID, Matt Levy, sends excellent live stats.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Wolfpac on February 20, 2011, 07:33:13 PM
Quote from: kate on February 20, 2011, 11:11:21 AM
Good morning, Wolfpac!  IF, Del Val wins the conference, probably pretty darn good  :) - right now, i'm just basking in the "top seed" glow.  Good luck to Cabrini!   While i'm on here, just want to respond to Chairman, from everything i've seen this season from the Aggie men's team, it appears that each one of their starters carries the team on different nights.  James Jones is undoubtedly the star, but they all have star attributes and seem to be well coached.  I hope that James Work is packed to the rafters Wed. night.  Hate to admit this, but we'll be over in Center Valley watching DeSales & Kings at 6 pm.  When my Aggie Women's season is over we morph from green & gold to red & blue - GO AGGIE MEN & DESALES WOMEN!

Good luck to your AGGIES, and congrats on a playoff game at home!   Maybe we will run into each other aferall........
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 20, 2011, 09:06:30 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 20, 2011, 04:41:24 PM

So that's how far the Freedom has slipped?

CC...I remember chatting with you a few years ago at King's and am a bit disappointed with this post.  I am guessing you are a Scranton guy.

Just answer me this question...Comparing the two leagues (Freedom and Landmark)...where did their representative get to in each of the last two NCAA Tournaments.

Here's a Hint...in the Freedom...its been Elite 8 and Sweet 16...looking forward to the Landmark's finish when you find it.

Congrats to Del. Val...they had a great start to the Freedom season, a rough middle, and a strong finish.  They earned and deserve the #1 seed.  Kind of unfair to bad mouth them, especially since (and I am guessing at this one) you've never seen them play.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 20, 2011, 09:26:36 PM
CJ,  Who is this Uncle Sam guy and when did he ever post here?  :)


iSince when has
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on February 20, 2011, 03:04:03 PM
It's a shade over 2 hours from where I work to get to the barn at Delaware Valley.  I'm done with work at 6.  Any chance I can talk the good people of the Freedom Conference into an 8 PM start time?  Otherwise, sorry Kate, I'll have to miss my 1st career Wilkes playoff game as an alumnus. (It is "alumnus" right... one male graduate?) Someone had better have Live Stats!

Can't believe the parallel world we're living in, where guys like Naismith get ripped on, and Uncle Sam looks like a gosh darn genius!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 20, 2011, 09:55:15 PM
Quote from: tribehoops on February 20, 2011, 12:53:08 PM
I'm interested to see if the MAC Freedom coaches, again find a way to screw Coach Stitzel out of the Coach of the Year award.  He should have won it two seasons ago when he led the Aggies to their 1st play-off birth in 40 years. 

Was that the year Del Val finished fifth in the conference and DeSales went to the Elite Eight in the nation?

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 20, 2011, 11:29:26 PM
Freedom League Selections:

FYI, in the past my selections I have made my selections by position and not just the top 5 players.
This year I am leaving the Peach Basket Era behind and will just select the top two backcourt players and 3 frontcourt players.

I have run my spreadheets for statistical purposes and tried to recall the many games I saw live or on live video to form my opinions.
Fully expect the D3 Biology majors to dissect my picks.  :)

Backcourt:

Brian Hunter ---DeSales
James Jones----Delaware Valley

Frontcourt:

Conroy-----------Kings
Hinze-------------Wilkes
Beckett-----------Delaware Valley

2nd team

Backcourt

DeRojas----------Wilkes
Johnson-----------Misericordia

Frontcourt

Eichorst-----------Misercordia
Moyer-------------DeSales
Mehmel------------Manhattanville

Honorable Mentions: 
Backcourtt:

Pointer------------Manhattanville
Kerwin------------DeSales
Fiorino-------------Kings

Frontcourt:

Nelson-------------Eastern
Fetske-------------FDU
Huch---------------Wilkes
Slavonec----------Misericordia
ROY:    Hammonds-Kings
POY :   Brian Hunter--DeSales
           James Jones--Delaware Valley

Just cannot separate them this year   

COY  :  Stitzel --Delaware Valley.

Will say that the other 3 playoff coaches  faced challenges this year. Trevor W. at Miseri had some talent return but had an undersized team, SC lost Braswell (nuff said), Wilkes lost 3 seniors, were picked near the bottom of the conference and started 0-2 pre-break...  This could have gone any which way but DV earned the top seed and so the honor goes to Coach Stitzel.

Naismith



Quote from: BJ - DSU SID on February 18, 2011, 09:59:40 PM
Fire away on those all-league picks Naismith.

I'd look forward to reading your thoughts.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 21, 2011, 12:08:15 AM
Good stuff Naismith.  Thanks for the thoughts/predictions.

One note...I'll give you one chance to re-vise your picks if you like because I should have told you prior that the All-League teams are NOT done by position.

So it is possible to have FIVE guards on the first-team, etc...likely not the case but if you'd like to revise go ahead.

I will say I would agree 100% with your special award picks (Rookie, Player, Coach of the Year).
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 21, 2011, 09:14:04 AM
Quote from: BJ - DSU SID on February 20, 2011, 09:06:30 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 20, 2011, 04:41:24 PM
So that's how far the Freedom has slipped?

CC...I remember chatting with you a few years ago at King's and am a bit disappointed with this post.  I am guessing you are a Scranton guy.
Just answer me this question...Comparing the two leagues (Freedom and Landmark)...where did their representative get to in each of the last two NCAA Tournaments.
Here's a Hint...in the Freedom...its been Elite 8 and Sweet 16...looking forward to the Landmark's finish when you find it.
Congrats to Del. Val...they had a great start to the Freedom season, a rough middle, and a strong finish.  They earned and deserve the #1 seed.  Kind of unfair to bad mouth them, especially since (and I am guessing at this one) you've never seen them play.

Scranton guy? Actually a local college hoops fan.
No need to be disappointed with my post. This is a public board to voice our opinions.
I have been following the MAC since the late 1960's and never remember DV making the postseason or even coming close. Thus my shock when I saw they are not just in, but a top seed?
How is that bad mouthing them, unless you're reaching for something?
And I'm not silly enough to compare the success of the two league's representation in recent NCAA tournaments.
One thing I have noticed from some Landmark posters is that nobody questions fellow school's recruiting practices. Get it?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 21, 2011, 09:20:12 AM
Cold Case - "slipped"??
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jumpball on February 21, 2011, 10:55:20 AM
Agree with most of Nai's selections with one large exception.  Jones and Hunter are two tremendous players no doubt, but not having Conroy in POY discussion?  don't see that - he dealt with daily double and triple teams and was still virtually unstoppable.  Did not see either Hunter or Jones face that (and that is not to denigrate either).  I'd be surprised if the coaches don't give him more consideration as they know how much of a load he was to deal with...kings did not help his chances by being bounced out of the playoffs...also think maybe a little too much emphasis given to guys who were 3-point specialists - valuable for sure, but a couple of them do little else and don't play much or very good defense.  sometimes scorers can give up almost as many points as they generate....thats not reflected in the stats...COY is a tough one. DV coach got off to a hot start, Wilkes coach did a nice job bringing that team along, yet they had depth DV did not, so DV it is
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 21, 2011, 11:05:31 AM
With as many teams out there that play with three guard sets -- some play with four-- I think it seems pretty antiquated to insist on two guards two forwards and a center on any team. I do, however, like to see some balance in the teams, but if the league 22 starting guards, 14 starting forwards and 4 starting centers, then it does not make sense to do 2-2-1.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 21, 2011, 12:47:55 PM
Just got back from a horrific dentist appt., so i'm lookin for trouble, i suppose - Cold Case, YOU are cruising as far as i'm concerned - Every freakin school in the United States probably has some "strange" recruiting policies, but the bottom line, hopefully, is that the kid gets a post high school graduation education - if it involves sports, all the better.  First priority for me, Delaware Valley College, second, THE MAC.  Please look for "Kate" if you attend any Scranton/Del Val sports activities - i'd love to meet you.  Thanks BJ, for your post of yesterday.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Uncle Sam on February 21, 2011, 02:31:30 PM
Roses are red, violets are blue.
Uncle Sam's predictions are all coming true.
You ask, "How did Del Val get seed number one?"
Uncle Sam says, "Because Coach Stitzel gets it done."
Del Val's in the playoffs during 2 of the last 3.
That's quite a turnaround, don't you agree?
Uncle Sam is tired of all the Del Val hate.
And that goes to all of you except, of course, Kate.
Wilkes is in trouble on Wednesday night.
Uncle Sam has spoken, and you know he's right.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 21, 2011, 02:35:00 PM
Just got back from the grocery- darn those other obligations during the day that won't allow non-stop participation on D3 hoops  ;D.  Actually, while i was at the store, i was thinking how fortunate you, Cold Case, are to have either worked in a Landmark or MAC college admission office, or know very well someone who does.  That's impressive.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 21, 2011, 03:04:08 PM
BJ Matrix: Relax a little. Let's face it, it's only been the last 3 years since Desales even made the NCAA tourney. Yes, they've certainly had a couple of nice runs... but, before that the ECAC tournament was commonly referred to as the Desales Invitational.
How many teams in the MAC have won National Championships on the mens side? Answer: zero.
How many have been won by Landmark members? Answer: three. Two by Scranton, one by Catholic.
One other quick question...how many MAC members are listed as one of the "373 Best Colleges in America" by the Princeton Review? Answer: zero.
How many of the Landmark schools are listed by that same publication? Answer: All eight.
Right now you are having a real nice run, enjoy it. But, don't bring up a history of a whopping two years.  For as the great Lord Mountbatten said, "history is not to be judged by the the single victory of a static army at a stationary point in time but, rather, by the collection of triumphs over decades that will lead us to a better tomorrow".
Translation...the MAC will be playing catch up for quite some time...and not only on the court. Enjoy what the kids are accomplishing & roll with it but don't base short term success as anything more than just that.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 21, 2011, 03:28:58 PM
Howdy, Saratoga - please refer to the front page of the Aggie website - they've been named to the Princeton Review for 2011.  Scroll down - it's at the bottom.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ljk on February 21, 2011, 03:41:14 PM
I picked 6 for my first team Freedom Conference.  Jones, Beckett, Johnson, Eichorst, Conroy, and Hunter.  POY=Jones.  ROY=Hammonds.  COY=Coval over Stitzel in tight one.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on February 21, 2011, 03:49:12 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 21, 2011, 03:04:08 PM
How many teams in the MAC have won National Championships on the mens side? Answer: zero.
How many have been won by Landmark members? Answer: three. Two by Scranton, one by Catholic.

In 1993-94, the national champion was MAC member Lebanon Valley College. As well, when Scranton won its two national championships, it was a member of the MAC.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 21, 2011, 03:49:28 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 21, 2011, 03:04:08 PM
BJ Matrix: Relax a little. Let's face it, it's only been the last 3 years since Desales even made the NCAA tourney. Yes, they've certainly had a couple of nice runs... but, before that the ECAC tournament was commonly referred to as the Desales Invitational.
How many teams in the MAC have won National Championships on the mens side? Answer: zero.
How many have been won by Landmark members? Answer: three. Two by Scranton, one by Catholic.
One other quick question...how many MAC members are listed as one of the "373 Best Colleges in America" by the Princeton Review? Answer: zero.
How many of the Landmark schools are listed by that same publication? Answer: All eight.
Right now you are having a real nice run, enjoy it. But, don't bring up a history of a whopping two years.  For as the great Lord Mountbatten said, "history is not to be judged by the the single victory of a static army at a stationary point in time but, rather, by the collection of triumphs over decades that will lead us to a better tomorrow".
Translation...the MAC will be playing catch up for quite some time...and not only on the court. Enjoy what the kids are accomplishing & roll with it but don't base short term success as anything more than just that.


Something smells, oh, it's VALIDITY?  ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2011, 03:55:33 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on February 21, 2011, 03:49:12 PM
As well, when Scranton won its two national championships, it was a member of the MAC.

Very true, though it doesn't speak to cold case's hypothesis of the MAC Freedom slipping.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 21, 2011, 03:55:52 PM
Ah, Warren, you can take the teams out of the MAC, but you can never take the MAC out of the teams!   ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Warren Thompson on February 21, 2011, 04:01:45 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2011, 03:55:33 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on February 21, 2011, 03:49:12 PM
As well, when Scranton won its two national championships, it was a member of the MAC.

Very true, though it doesn't speak to cold case's hypothesis of the MAC Freedom slipping.

Perhaps the "slippage" is more a matter of increased parity. (Since I'm a MAC Commonwealth fan, I don't live and breathe MAC Freedom issues.  ;))
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 21, 2011, 04:13:17 PM
What's up with that, Warren?   :D  You are so right about the MAC parity.  It's great, but no matter who goes to the dance - GO MAC!!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 21, 2011, 05:18:15 PM
I am not really interested in getting into a shouting match with anyone.

I just have a problem with people who come on this board and bad mouth DeSales in particular and at times the Freedom Conference.  Mostly I can only speak for DeSales, since I know the most about them.

I don't have the time to go thru my history of 200+ posts, but I don't ever recall blasting another institution or Conference.  If I did I apologize.  I generally just speak about DeSales, defend DeSales, or post information (IE the Matrix) for any interested readers to get a small inside glimpse on the conference during that particular season.

Some of you come on here and just bad mouth others and a lot of times do it without knowing anything or very little about that particular institution.  And rarely have positive to things to say about much of anything.

And most of you do it with a hidden identity.  Meanwhile I make no secret as to who I am.

Congrats Toga on all your Landmark teams successes.  You referenced some impressive stats.  Hopefully DeSales will be able to boast some of those same accomplishments (maybe they already do, but I don't have time to look up Princeton's Review) someday.  Keep in mind we are an institution that just recently celebrated its 45th birthday.  I believe Scranton and Catholic (since those were the two examples you used) were each founded in the late 1800's.  So when DeSales has 120+ years of existence and all the things that come with it...we can compare the 2010-11 Scranton/Catholic numbers with the DeSales numbers.

Until then we'll just do our best to continue to grow and approach your level of wonderfulness.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 21, 2011, 05:41:32 PM
Beautifully stated, BJ!  Isn't it a fact, that the more insecure someone is, the more they feel the need to brag & ridicule?  Don't know if that's the case here, but it definitely brings out the worst in me.  We care enough about each other, that we root each other on.  (Especially when our own team - Aggie women are finished  :)).  Anyway, thank you for that wonderful response.  Hope to meet you Wed. night at the Lady Bulldog/King's game.  We'll be following the Aggie Men on live stats.  What a night!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 22, 2011, 08:02:36 AM
Freedom Conference:  James Jones:  POY:  Casey Stitzel:  COY:  and Jeremy Beckett:  Second Team.  Congratulations to the Delaware Valley College Mens Basketball Team!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 23, 2011, 01:02:55 PM
A Warren Thompson sighting, wow!  Thanks for straightening us out here.  Carpetbaggers from the Landmark who (a) ignore the history of the conference itself (4 years, no Final Fours, no Titles) yet (b) take credit for any achievement by then-MAC schools from before the advent of the conference... ehh, it's irritating.  Go ahead and tell me the MAC-Freedom can't produce solid academics, and I'll smack you upside the head with my doctorate and most recent W-2.  Damn Landmark bullies - go back to your own board.  And Scranton still sucks.

That reminds me - BJ, since we're here, what time should I be there on Saturday? You have a time published yet, or are you waiting for the outcome of the women's game?

So... Del Val really has the player of the year, the coach of the year, and has beaten Wilkes twice this season.  And Wilkes has to go on the road and play Del Val at their place? Excellent.  Game on!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 23, 2011, 01:20:13 PM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on February 23, 2011, 01:02:55 PM
That reminds me - BJ, since we're here, what time should I be there on Saturday? You have a time published yet, or are you waiting for the outcome of the women's game?
Perhaps he's waiting for the outcome of the men's games.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 23, 2011, 01:47:01 PM
CJ...as a habit I do my very best to never get ahead of myself.  Assuming a DeSales/Wilkes win tonight I think would be the very definition of getting ahead of myself.

But don't worry...if the outcomes tonight are Bulldog/Colonel favorable I'll be sure to have that game time for you before your head hits the pillow.

Safe travels to Doylestown for you this evening.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 23, 2011, 01:48:22 PM
Classy post CJ. You put up your W2 first.


Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 23, 2011, 02:22:51 PM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on February 23, 2011, 01:02:55 PM
A Warren Thompson sighting, wow!  Thanks for straightening us out here.  Carpetbaggers from the Landmark who (a) ignore the history of the conference itself (4 years, no Final Fours, no Titles) yet (b) take credit for any achievement by then-MAC schools from before the advent of the conference... ehh, it's irritating. 

Again, if the point is the MAC is slipping then the difference between the historical membership and the current membership is relevant.

Not that Scranton or Catholic are playing anywhere near 1980s/1990s/early 2000s standards right now, but is Eastern playing up to those standards either? Or Misericordia? Or Manhattanville?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 23, 2011, 03:34:33 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 23, 2011, 02:22:51 PM

Not that Scranton or Catholic are playing anywhere near 1980s/1990s/early 2000s standards right now, but is Eastern playing up to those standards either? Or Misericordia? Or Manhattanville?

Miseri did beat Scranton this year.  Eastern lost by 4 to the Royals.

Landmark SOS numbers are among the worst in the Region.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 23, 2011, 03:45:13 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 23, 2011, 02:22:51 PM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on February 23, 2011, 01:02:55 PM
A Warren Thompson sighting, wow!  Thanks for straightening us out here.  Carpetbaggers from the Landmark who (a) ignore the history of the conference itself (4 years, no Final Fours, no Titles) yet (b) take credit for any achievement by then-MAC schools from before the advent of the conference... ehh, it's irritating. 

Again, if the point is the MAC is slipping then the difference between the historical membership and the current membership is relevant.

Not that Scranton or Catholic are playing anywhere near 1980s/1990s/early 2000s standards right now, but is Eastern playing up to those standards either? Or Misericordia? Or Manhattanville?


Interesting. Eastern, Misericordia and Manhattanville?

Then in the other corner, Scranton and Catholic.
Was just thinking. I don't need a solid W-2 for that.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 23, 2011, 03:50:06 PM
Quote from: BJ - DSU SID on February 23, 2011, 03:34:33 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 23, 2011, 02:22:51 PM

Not that Scranton or Catholic are playing anywhere near 1980s/1990s/early 2000s standards right now, but is Eastern playing up to those standards either? Or Misericordia? Or Manhattanville?

Miseri did beat Scranton this year.  Eastern lost by 4 to the Royals.

Landmark SOS numbers are among the worst in the Region.

I don't see how this statement has anything to do with what I said, though. How is that showing those teams are living up to the standards I listed above?

Better than Scranton this year means nothing compared to being similar to old MAC standards.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2011, 03:50:12 PM
Here is a key... neither conference is getting more then one team in per league... so no matter how teams are doing right now... no one can brag about anything.

The MAC is down quite a bit from the "hey-days"... and the Landmark certainly had some bad timing with teams that usually very good not playing that way since the league was created.

Not sure about actual SOS numbers... the MAC as a WHOLE is 21st according to one set of Massey Ratings... and 20th in the BCS version.
Landmark is 33 and 34.

However... those standings a bit jacked up as there are entities like NAIA, NAIA 2, NCAA, and NCAA III incorporated in the rankings... so in reality the conferences are much closer together.

By the way, newest regional rankings are out... welcome LVC to the party: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/category/ncaa-stuff/regional-rankings/
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 23, 2011, 04:14:39 PM
Sure they are out (the newest regional rankings that is) right AFTER I printed my program for this evening.

Dave - SOS numbers are attached below the actual rankings on the NCAA site in PDF format for your viewing pleasure...check em out...some interesting numbers there.

Pat - My post was to simply compare results between the three schools you mentioned in the Freedom to the Landmark schools you mentioned this year.  I didn't have time to look past this year.  I just tossed the SOS fact out there to point out the Landmark as a whole has a weak schedule this year.  And as we all know that can change year to year.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2011, 04:34:08 PM
BJ - I know where the SOS numbers are... but didn't have the updated numbers before I was posting - and was finishing my post when the new regional rankings came out - so I threw that update (as I would have been in this room to do so any) on the bottom of my post.

BTW - you have to do some number crunching to get the actual SOS numbers for an entire league... it isn't cut and dry. My only point was while the Landmark is certainly down... it is not like the MACs are all that far "up". They are somewhat close together.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 23, 2011, 08:17:27 PM
Wow... good job by the people at D3Hoops.com to provide video coverage of the game... tuning in now, Colonels down 8 with 4 to play...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 23, 2011, 08:40:45 PM
Del Val 69, Wilkes 66. Final.

Wilkes misses a 3 pointer as the buzzer sounds.  Good for Del Val - I didn't realize this was their first home playoff game EVER.  Good to see the team represent - the stat I heard was 16 of 16 from the free throw stripe.  Tough to be disappointed with 3 one-possession losses (2 on the road) to the #1 seed, and potential conference champ.  Congrats to DVC, kate, and Uncle Sam.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 23, 2011, 09:05:08 PM
Thanks, CJ!  Now on to Saturday!  :D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 23, 2011, 10:18:14 PM
DeSales-Misericordia stats are frozen on 0:02 -- is that game over or is something happening?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 23, 2011, 10:23:33 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 23, 2011, 10:18:14 PM
DeSales-Misericordia stats are frozen on 0:02 -- is that game over or is something happening?

Check the Video feed next time...then you'll know.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 23, 2011, 10:33:54 PM
If I only had one score to look up rather than two dozen, that's a fine choice.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 24, 2011, 08:53:20 AM
Thanks for a great job covering the Del Val/Wilkes game last night to Gordon Mann!  We rushed home from the women's game in Center Valley, and watched those crucial last five minutes of the Men's game, saw the huge crowd at James Work, and held our breath for those last minute free throws.  Whew!  Really hope to attend both games on Saturday, the Doylestown game first - GO AGGIES!!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on February 24, 2011, 11:13:11 AM
Glad everyone enjoyed it. Kate and CJ, next time you can be my color guy (and gal). :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Uncle Sam on February 24, 2011, 01:21:18 PM
Aggies are gold and Aggies are green.
Del Val hosts the MAC final, have you seen?
Wednesday night, Coach Stitzel led the way,
While Jones and Beckett and a great day.
Lets not forget about Jason Goldheimer.
Who knew Uncle Sam was such a bold rhymer?
Saturday afternoon is not far at all.
DeSales is a nice team that can play some ball.
It might be a good game, this much is true.
But today, Uncle Sam has a question for you.
What in the world will people have to say,
When the MAC championship resides in Doylestown, PA?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Wolfpac on February 24, 2011, 01:43:55 PM
Hey Uncle Sam, I had my doubts about you,  but I must admit;  you had it all figured out since the beginning of the year.  I do wish you and Kate well and will follow your Aggies.  Hope you get a championship banner over there.

Take it easy.  Wolfpac. ----maybe somehow you will meet up with the Cavs if they can pull through too.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 24, 2011, 05:46:40 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on February 24, 2011, 11:13:11 AM
Glad everyone enjoyed it. Kate and CJ, next time you can be my color guy (and gal). :)

Gordo,
That'd be a simultaneous great and awful idea.  We'd be breaking down obscure mid-to-late 90's Mets and the mustaches of Keith Hernandez, Howard Johnson, and Wally Backman.  Then, if there was time, we could explain what was happening in the game.  ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 25, 2011, 09:33:15 AM
Hi CJ, actually make that more like the 1970's and the Phillies with Reuben Amaro, Sr.  ;D!  Actually, if Gordon, someday, could broadcast a women's game  ;), that's an entirely different story - boy, i'd love to handle the color for that one!  Unfortunately, don't know enough about the men's program, other than we're behind them 100% tomorrow afternoon! 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 26, 2011, 04:47:25 PM
MAC Freedom Champions - The Delaware Valley College Men's Basketball Team!  History made this afternoon - Congratulations!!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Wolfpac on February 26, 2011, 09:13:31 PM
Quote from: kate on February 26, 2011, 04:47:25 PM
MAC Freedom Champions - The Delaware Valley College Men's Basketball Team!  History made this afternoon - Congratulations!!!

Kate enjoy the moment, hoping to meet up with you guys somewhere in the playoffs, if not maybe Alvernia.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 27, 2011, 11:03:40 AM
Thanks Wolfpac!  How great was yesterday in Aggieland?!?  I'll tell you how great - the gym was packed (1,000), very, very loud!  You would have thought St. Patrick's Day came early with green heads, bodies, and Aggie garb!  Total support by the students, all three of the Women's Team coaches; a beautiful rendition of the National Anthem (live, of course), and finally super spectacular play by the entire team!  So much fun to watch!  Uncle Sam this deserves a poem of epic proportions  :D!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: tribehoops on February 27, 2011, 01:55:27 PM
Kate, I couldn't agree with you more.  What an outstanding job by Delaware Valley's student body...out in full force.  The team played a Great 2nd half and celebrated accordingly.  Congratulations to DeSales and good luck tomorrow.  I hope they get good news from the NCAA.  But yesterday was " A Great Day to be an Aggie!"  Best of luck to Coach Stitzel and the boys as they prepare for the NCAA Tournament for the 1st time in the school's history.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Uncle Sam on February 28, 2011, 10:46:35 AM
What Uncle Sam has to say isn't a mystery.
The Del Val Aggies just made history.
From 3-22 just three years ago,
To the MAC Freedom champs.  Sam told you so.
To Coach K, Pitino, Izzo and Knight,
Coach Stitzel is on his way.  Yeah, that's right.
Can Del Val really make the Final Four?
If so, there'll be many more beers Uncle Sam will pour.
Since America's Program has arrived in the dance.
You certainly can expect some more Uncle Sam rants...

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 28, 2011, 01:51:15 PM
Couldn't have said it better myself, Uncle Sam!  Del Val heads to Virginia Wesleyan on Saturday!  GO AGGIES!!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 28, 2011, 04:03:25 PM
Previous post was wrong - The Delaware Valley College vs Virginia Wesleyan College game will be FRIDAY night, March 4th, at 7:30 pm in Virginia Beach - sorry about that
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Wolfpac on February 28, 2011, 09:11:33 PM
Quote from: kate on February 28, 2011, 04:03:25 PM
Previous post was wrong - The Delaware Valley College vs Virginia Wesleyan College game will be FRIDAY night, March 4th, at 7:30 pm in Virginia Beach - sorry about that

Should be a good time Kate.........enjoy the moment no matter what happens!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 28, 2011, 09:42:15 PM
SAm I Am,

Guess you will have to take downa Wilkes connection for the 4th time this season:


http://athletics.vwc.edu/men/basketball/coach





Quote from: Uncle Sam on February 28, 2011, 10:46:35 AM
What Uncle Sam has to say isn't a mystery.
The Del Val Aggies just made history.
From 3-22 just three years ago,
To the MAC Freedom champs.  Sam told you so.
To Coach K, Pitino, Izzo and Knight,
Coach Stitzel is on his way.  Yeah, that's right.
Can Del Val really make the Final Four?
If so, there'll be many more beers Uncle Sam will pour.
Since America's Program has arrived in the dance.
You certainly can expect some more Uncle Sam rants...


Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on March 01, 2011, 08:50:10 AM
Very interesting note there, Naismith!  The MAC is everywhere  :D!  One more time, BEST luck to the Aggie Men there in Virginia Beach Friday night - no matter what happens, you're appreciated, and please represent Delaware Valley College and the MAC well - you're all A1 in our book.  Also, thank you Wolfpac for the nice post, and i'd be remiss to not wish the Alvernia team good luck with Randolph-Macon!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on March 02, 2011, 09:28:52 PM
MAC Freedom DeSales and MAC Commonwealth Lebanon Valley both won their opening round ECAC South games this evening!  Congrats!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on March 03, 2011, 09:51:43 PM
Gordon,

Were you able to find and fix the issue with the DelVal vs. Wilkes game last Wednesday night so that Matt Levy can put a link on the website to watch the archived game?

Thanks.

Jay
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on March 04, 2011, 09:13:44 AM
May the Force be with the Delaware Valley College Aggies tonight as they take on Virginia Wesleyan in Virginia Beach!  BEST LUCK!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on March 05, 2011, 08:23:38 AM
As Coach Stitzel said, Virginia Wesleyan is possibly one of the best D3 schools out there.  The Aggies got to the dance, and it wasn't a walk in the park, as the MAC Freedom is tough!  Thanks to them for one of the best D3 games i've ever seen last Saturday, & now, BIG TIME, i'm pulling for Virginia Wesleyan!  Also, good luck to DeSales tonight in their ECAC South game.  Meantime, FEAR the FISH!  ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on March 16, 2011, 01:25:30 PM
Congratulations to Del Val Senior Guard, James Jones, selected to D3 Hoops.com All Middle Atlantic Region First Team!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on March 18, 2011, 10:00:45 AM
Richmond Spiders head coach Chris Mooney previously served as head coach of which MAC school?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on March 18, 2011, 08:10:42 PM
Hi Lefty - he was the Coach of Arcadia University
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on March 18, 2011, 09:01:33 PM
PS, Arcadia formerly known as Beaver in the PAC
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on March 18, 2011, 09:25:24 PM

+1 for Kate.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ronk on March 19, 2011, 12:25:59 AM
  So, did the MAC admit a beaver as a new member but something else showed up, instead?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on April 06, 2011, 01:56:24 PM
Del Val Senior guard, James Jones, is featured in the April 11 issue of Sport's Illustrated "Faces in the Crowd" segment!  Way to Go!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on April 19, 2011, 05:25:06 PM
Eastern Coach, Matt Nadelhoffer, has the coaching job at Milikin.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 05, 2011, 06:26:13 PM
The Mid-Atlantic Shuffle continues: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2011/05/stevenson-hood-join-mac
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on May 05, 2011, 06:50:18 PM
Pat, doesn't the word "shuffle" imply something negative?  Unless teams are leaving (i gotta e-mail Katie Imes), i would say that it's a positive for our league.  Not so much for the CAC, however.  Hope this generates tons of discussion!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on May 05, 2011, 07:04:34 PM
Kate:

I don't think Pat was making a value judgment one way or the other.  It's a shuffle because teams keep changing conference affiliations.  Not too long ago, Stevenson was called Villa Julie and in the NEAC and Hood was an independent for hoops.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on May 05, 2011, 09:26:00 PM
Hi Gordon, i know Pat was just referencing the changing of the MAC structure in the last five years or so.  Just wanted to see if anyone took the bait  :).   This will probably mean that we'll be getting two teams from the Commonwealth side, maybe getting Lyco and Alvernia back.  Anxious to see how this plays out, hugh fan of the MAC ya know!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ronk on May 06, 2011, 01:13:05 PM
  Are there any "like-minded" institutions in the new configuration? I can't tell the players without a scorecard. ;)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on May 06, 2011, 02:33:46 PM
Watch it, Ronk  ;)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on May 07, 2011, 01:40:03 AM
Stevenson descended from Villa Julie true, but I don't think anyone who has been away for five years would believe it if you told them. The shuffle will continue. Don't look for realignment too soon.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on May 11, 2011, 05:30:51 PM
DeSales has snagged Bethlehem Catholic senior guard, Jake Hungarter.  He led the Lehigh Valley in scoring with 24.4 ppg and was named to the Express-Times All-Area first team.  Sure hope DVC is restocking big time!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: WAlum on May 12, 2011, 12:24:27 PM
Any front-runners for the Stevenson job?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on June 17, 2011, 07:23:55 AM
Quote from: WAlum on May 12, 2011, 12:24:27 PM
Any front-runners for the Stevenson job?

Any truth to J.D Byers from LVC being the front runner for Stevenson?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on June 27, 2011, 02:59:44 PM
Wilkes has just announced their 11/12 schedule, and they have an inaugural Cross County Challenge set up with the host school, King's, Marywood, and the University of Scranton.  Now, There's a Move that Makes PERFECT Sense!!!  Way to Go Wilkes!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mailsy on June 27, 2011, 11:58:04 PM
Kate,

I think it is great that you follow all the school's websites to find out when the schedules are out.  + 1  :) I'm still waiting for Cabrini's schedule to come out.  With all the school's that you mentioned it gave me an idea to check out all the schools in the Mid Atlantic on D3Hoops(thank you Pat).  I've got 11 definite dates (3 OOC and 8 conference) out of a possible 25(based on last year-18 conference & 7 OOC).  I just wish they'd just put it up.  Thanks for the idea though.   ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on June 28, 2011, 01:36:51 PM
Thanks, Mailsy, now i just have to get my facts right!  The inaugural tourney is at Marywood University in Scranton.  Still say it's one of the best ideas since sliced bread ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 28, 2011, 02:04:12 PM
Quote from: kate on June 28, 2011, 01:36:51 PM
Thanks, Mailsy, now i just have to get my facts right!  The inaugural tourney is at Marywood University in Scranton.  Still say it's one of the best ideas since sliced bread ;D

Agreed, but my one nit pick is that it is in early January when no students are going to be around... ???
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mailsy on July 03, 2011, 07:25:22 PM
Happy 4th to all on the MAC Freedom board.  Kind of what this nation is all about! :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on October 18, 2011, 09:21:53 AM
Super neat article on the front page of D3Hoops regarding the Lebanon Valley Men's team helping their assistant coach clean up after our recent floods here in the east, and then heading out to all of Annville to make it a weekend effort.  Kudos to Leb Val!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on October 18, 2011, 01:20:25 PM
It is a nice article, but remember that Leb Val is in the Commonwealth side of the MAC.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on October 18, 2011, 01:35:19 PM
Yikes, you're sooo right, Gordon!  It still is a great article  :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: MidAtlantic Maestro on November 07, 2011, 08:14:24 PM

What should we expect from Wilkes this upcoming season.  Will Wilkes challenge for a conference championship?  Or, are the preseason rankings accurate?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jumpball on November 08, 2011, 04:59:36 PM
yes, i think wilkes will be very strong this season and should challenge desales and miseri for the top spot.  everyone else is kind of in the same mix.  eastern should not be rated that low, especially if soaries is playing.  manhattanville gets a lot of respect, i guess pointer will do that for you.  kings has outstanding guardline but their frontcourt is a question and will miss conroy.  do not know what fdu and delval have coming in...it'll be interesting
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CollegeBBALLfan on November 09, 2011, 11:14:38 PM
I am a little new to the boards but i think the Freedom wiill be really competitive all the way around.  If i could redo the preseason polls for what i thought, i think i would favor Wilkes in winning the freedom and desales and mesri and also dvc  as being the two teams to lose in the playoffs... what do u guys think?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jumpball on November 11, 2011, 10:57:05 AM
Quote from: CollegeBBALLfan on November 09, 2011, 11:14:38 PM
I am a little new to the boards but i think the Freedom wiill be really competitive all the way around.  If i could redo the preseason polls for what i thought, i think i would favor Wilkes in winning the freedom and desales and mesri and also dvc  as being the two teams to lose in the playoffs... what do u guys think?

college fan:  agree with your assessment but don't know about dvc.  they lost a lot from graduation and did not have much depth last season.  who knows what frosh/transfers they might have now, so you may be right.  still think eastern is better than most think although a new coach may be cause for adjustments there.  wilkes and desales are deeper than most (if everyone is returning) and miseri has some firepower back as well.  all are well coached.  that said, it'll be a crap shoot, i don't think any one team is that much better than another on paper just yet.   
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on November 18, 2011, 08:05:28 AM
Just happy to be heading back to a college basketball game tonight... and even happier that the powers that be at Wilkes scheduled a road game 20 minutes from my house!  Big night in Cumberland County tonight... Go Colonels!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mailsy on November 24, 2011, 10:10:09 AM
Happy Thanksgiving MAC Freedom posters!  :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jumpball on November 25, 2011, 12:55:09 PM
Quote from: mailsy on November 24, 2011, 10:10:09 AM
Happy Thanksgiving MAC Freedom posters!  :)

Thanks Mailsy, and same to you, but it doesn't seem like anyone posts here anymore, regrettably!  Hopefully the onset of league play generates a little discussion.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mailsy on November 25, 2011, 08:59:20 PM
Quote from: jumpball on November 25, 2011, 12:55:09 PM
Quote from: mailsy on November 24, 2011, 10:10:09 AM
Happy Thanksgiving MAC Freedom posters!  :)

Thanks Mailsy, and same to you, but it doesn't seem like anyone posts here anymore, regrettably!  Hopefully the onset of league play generates a little discussion.

Let's hope so.  I enjoy reading the boards and keeping up with the MidAtlantic teams.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on December 01, 2011, 03:48:06 PM
Looking over some surprising results  from opening  night.

FDU fairly decisively over DeSales.
Kings with a nice win over DelVal
Wilkes running Miseri out of the Marts Center.

Attended the Wilkes contest. Miseri has all but Robbie Johnson back and are a talented group.
Wilkes came ready to play from the opening tip. Wilkes seemed to be a step quicker in all phases.
Very impressive Freedom debuts for 2 freshman starters: Hinkel and Wilson.
For Miseri, 2 quick fouls on Ethan did not help. They playd hard and physical but, at least for last night, they were simply outplayed. With their talent level and coaching, they will win games.

Wilkes heads down to DeSales this weekend. Should be interesting. Coach Coval will have his team ready I am sure.

Kings, Wilkes and Miseri? Has the balance of Freedom power shifted north to Luzerne County?

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jumpball on December 02, 2011, 11:11:09 AM
we'll know more about kings after this weekend.  DelVal did not have Beckett in the middle; a huge void, that can be exploited against kings.  that game might have been far different with him in there....FDU taking Desales was a surprise, but they have hung tough against Paterson and Stevens Tech - two very hi quality teams, so they're dangerous... wilkes is no surprise.  only that the backcourt performed so well so early.  their frontcourt is very good and will be hard to defend this season.  really think they are the team to beat, hands down.  their dispatching a good miseri team just supports that thought.  having said that, desales will want to avoid an 0-2 hole so that tilt should be interesting.  nice to see some discussion on the board.  no rhymes or poems, where is everyone?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on December 07, 2011, 08:48:02 AM
First time poster here in this forum so hello all. I have always watched MAC and Centennial games but recently started to go watch Penn State Harrisburg games (live in the area) because of all the local high school players they have I use to watch when they were in HS. I must say they have impressed me to the point where I now go out of my way to watch them. After beating Etown at Etown (I know its not your older brothers Etown today) and Messiah at Messiah they have impressed.

Kings needs to be prepared and not look past this team. They are all very athletic..... Not sure how much of an upset it would be but I have Harrisburg 81-74.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on December 09, 2011, 09:58:06 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on December 07, 2011, 08:48:02 AM
First time poster here in this forum so hello all. I have always watched MAC and Centennial games but recently started to go watch Penn State Harrisburg games (live in the area) because of all the local high school players they have I use to watch when they were in HS. I must say they have impressed me to the point where I now go out of my way to watch them. After beating Etown at Etown (I know its not your older brothers Etown today) and Messiah at Messiah they have impressed.

Kings needs to be prepared and not look past this team. They are all very athletic..... Not sure how much of an upset it would be but I have Harrisburg 81-74.

Well my score was off but Penn State Harrisburg did beat Kings in Kings tournament 87-81. Good win for this group.

MAC down?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on January 15, 2012, 08:39:59 PM
Another nice win for FDU yesterday - go Devils!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 18, 2012, 09:39:46 PM
Been off the site far too long... it took a Wilkes win, 66-56, over King's to bring me back.  Wilkes moves to 12-3 (5-0 in the Freedom).

How much longer until Wilkes shows up as "Others Receiving Votes"?  ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: augie on January 18, 2012, 10:58:37 PM
CJ4life before that happens the UofS better get in before that!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 18, 2012, 11:43:47 PM
CJ, 

Yes, the Freedom League is awful quiet.
Meandered over to North Main Street to watch the Andrejko Strain versus the Pawnshoppers,that is Rick's Roasdsters. 
The Monarchs are a scrappy bunch that really gets after it. They have a host of expert marksman--all accurate from long range. A real sniper corps.
Minus Conroy, this is the first season where Kings has not had a dominant post player.

The lack of size forced them to pack down a zone defense and suffocate the Wilkes bigs. It worked in that neither Hinze nor Huch were really effective inside. Kings quickly doubled the post players and turned them over numerous times.

The zone opened up some wide open 3's for the Colonels and Matt Mullins put on a clinic. Wilkes ball movement was good (not truly great).
Breznitsky hit a number of shots to complement Mullins. Wilson is quite a freshman player...a wizard with ball ....

As far as the game went, Wilkes opened up a 12 point 1st half lead,led by 7 at half, squandered the lead in the second half and pulled away at the end.

Thought Wilkes was a step quicker and definitely 'bigger'. Kings played extremely hard and executed pretty well to the extent that they shut down the Wilkes inside game. The Colonels man to man was effective. A few breakdowns but overall very good.

Thought Wilkes did get loose an sloppy on offense for a while but were able to gather themselves and hit some big second half shots.
Pretty well called game by the zebras. :)

Let me know when you are heading north.
A rejuvenated FDU at the Marts and Kings/Miseri down the street....
Wish one was a night game.

Naismith


Been off the site far too long... it took a Wilkes win, 66-56, over King's to bring me back.  Wilkes moves to 12-3 (5-0 in the Freedom).

How much longer until Wilkes shows up as "Others Receiving Votes"?  ;D
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Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 19, 2012, 08:14:28 AM
Gonna try to commute up for the Wilkes / King's rematch on Feb 18th.  It'll be the last home game, making it Senior Day.  Figure it's only fitting I see Eddie that day.

Heard (most of) the game on the ESPN Williamsport simulcast. Brilliant broadcast. Professionally done - the whole 9 yards.  Favorite moment of the broadcast, Matt Mullins hits his 9th 3 pointer.  Play-by-play guy, "That's one off the Wilkes all-time record!" I chuckle to myself, and go, "Ah, Chad Fabian, 1999.  Hit 10 in a win over Del Val."
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 21, 2012, 09:35:59 PM
CJ,

Should have been at the Marts this afternoon.
HOF inductees:
1995-96 team (28-2 Final 8)
Dave Januzzi

You would have been in your Colonelonian glory.  :)

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 22, 2012, 12:53:33 PM
Naismith,

With a liiiiiittle more warning, I would have been.

Jannuzzi is Jannuzzi.  Best to ever don a Wilkes jersey, or the number 44. (Yes, that includes Jerry West, John Riggins, and Hank Aaron.)  I'm sure in the bio, they got everything right, including being named Jostens National of the Year in 2001?  Final Four in 1998, and the best player in the 570 area code in 2001 - something easier said than done with players named Chandler at Misericordia, and Dickerson at King's - all 3 of which who broke 2000 points career.

That said, the 1995 / 1996 teams that went to the Elite Eight always held a special place for me. Show of hands, who here owns a signed Matt LaBuda picture? Anyone else? OK.  :D  You scarcely needed to remind me the team was 28-2 in 1996.  First loss was in a BRUTAL snowstorm, in front of like 12 people (yes, I was one of them), to Mike Barrouk and whatever upstate NY school he came from (St John Fisher?).  Second loss was a hose job - not the game itself, but the fact this was against Franklin & Marshall, AT Franklin & Marshall.  How does a team at 26-1 NOT get home court advantage (#1 seed) in their quadrant of the NCAA's?!  In between, it was 3 wins over Scranton, 2 over King's (who was irrelevant), and 2 over Lycoming (who wasn't).

In the end, this batch of Colonels moves to 13-3, and 6-0 in conference, eh? Not too shabby. :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on January 22, 2012, 01:48:10 PM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on January 22, 2012, 12:53:33 PM
Second loss was a hose job - not the game itself, but the fact this was against Franklin & Marshall, AT Franklin & Marshall.  How does a team at 26-1 NOT get home court advantage (#1 seed) in their quadrant of the NCAA's?!

When another team had the same record. That was a great Wilkes team but F&M was also 27-1 and had more wins over ranked teams. The NCAA couldn't send one team to another bracket because of the regional system back then. Today, both teams would probably be #1 seeds in different brackets.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 22, 2012, 05:40:09 PM
CJ,

Did a search on Ebay and not a signed LaBuda to be found.     

The HOF induction was done post game but all inductees announced at halftime.
From what I understand, Saturday's format was the first time the event was held in this manner.
Wilkes doesn't really promote the HOF events all that well.

Present team plays well together. No individual egos and good chemistry. Wilson first rate at the point. Mullins can score and Huch/Hinze a tough combo inside. Huch, in particular, presents a matchup problem. Breznitsky has been excellent off the bench.
Wilkes has been playing a bunch of freshman and sophomores off the bench for limited minutes.

As to Saturday, the team built up huge lead with some tough man to man and excellent shooting. They really played lackadaisical in the 2nd half and Coach JR had to re-insert the starters as a 25 point plus lead shrunk to 10. The last 15 minutes was the worst defense they have played all year. Think FDU shot near 60% in the 2nd half. 
As you know, nothing gets handed to you  in this league. Eastern should be interesting games. They have some talent in Nelson and Soaries.

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on January 23, 2012, 11:35:59 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on January 22, 2012, 12:53:33 PM
Naismith,

With a liiiiiittle more warning, I would have been.

Jannuzzi is Jannuzzi.  Best to ever don a Wilkes jersey, or the number 44. (Yes, that includes Jerry West, John Riggins, and Hank Aaron.)  I'm sure in the bio, they got everything right, including being named Jostens National of the Year in 2001?  Final Four in 1998, and the best player in the 570 area code in 2001 - something easier said than done with players named Chandler at Misericordia, and Dickerson at King's - all 3 of which who broke 2000 points career.

That said, the 1995 / 1996 teams that went to the Elite Eight always held a special place for me. Show of hands, who here owns a signed Matt LaBuda picture? Anyone else? OK.  :D  You scarcely needed to remind me the team was 28-2 in 1996.  First loss was in a BRUTAL snowstorm, in front of like 12 people (yes, I was one of them), to Mike Barrouk and whatever upstate NY school he came from (St John Fisher?).  Second loss was a hose job - not the game itself, but the fact this was against Franklin & Marshall, AT Franklin & Marshall.  How does a team at 26-1 NOT get home court advantage (#1 seed) in their quadrant of the NCAA's?!  In between, it was 3 wins over Scranton, 2 over King's (who was irrelevant), and 2 over Lycoming (who wasn't).

In the end, this batch of Colonels moves to 13-3, and 6-0 in conference, eh? Not too shabby. :)


Saw the not-too-shabby Colonels against Scranton a couple weeks back. Very shabby...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on January 23, 2012, 11:48:19 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on January 22, 2012, 12:53:33 PM
Naismith,

With a liiiiiittle more warning, I would have been.

Jannuzzi is Jannuzzi.  Best to ever don a Wilkes jersey, or the number 44. (Yes, that includes Jerry West, John Riggins, and Hank Aaron.)  I'm sure in the bio, they got everything right, including being named Jostens National of the Year in 2001?  Final Four in 1998, and the best player in the 570 area code in 2001 - something easier said than done with players named Chandler at Misericordia, and Dickerson at King's - all 3 of which who broke 2000 points career.

Too bad we never got to see Chandler and Januzzi on the same floor.  Chandler has only stepped into the Marts Center as an assistant coach.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on January 23, 2012, 09:20:52 PM
"Saw the not-too-shabby Colonels against Scranton a couple weeks back. Very shabby..."

CC,

Wow! One of D3hoops elite posters taing the time to visit the Freedom Forum!
See you are still driving them crazy over at the landmark.   :o

Yes, Scranton did a number on Wilkes-Barre in the tournament.  Still SHABBY can be SHEIK .. 8-) wasn't able to attend but listened an impressive DC call on the radio.
If you recall, DC once dated my daughter many many moons ago. Always lied Dean ....real gentleman and a great radio voice.

As I recall the game, it was a bac and forth 1st half with Scranton lighting it up 2nd half. Other than Huch, it seemed the Colonels were just not ready that night. It was first game off extended break .....but the Royals were missing some key players and clearly the better team that night.
Wilkes, as you know, has not lost since. Most of the Freedom wins have been pretty 'convincing'. Games have not been that close.
Well balanced team that can hurt you inside  or out. Terrific freshman PG in Wilson. Much improved team speed and quickness.
Coach JR has the team playing together with defensive intensity and good ball movement.
Still a ways to go but a very nice squad.  :D

How are things going for you?  You can still cash in your dinner coupon for some bet you won years ago.  ;D
If you still have my contact #'s give me a ring or drop me a line.

Miss the old rivalry games.

Best

Naismith
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on January 24, 2012, 09:11:55 AM
Quote from: naismith on January 23, 2012, 09:20:52 PM
"Saw the not-too-shabby Colonels against Scranton a couple weeks back. Very shabby..."

CC,

Wow! One of D3hoops elite posters taing the time to visit the Freedom Forum!
See you are still driving them crazy over at the landmark.   :o

Yes, Scranton did a number on Wilkes-Barre in the tournament.  Still SHABBY can be SHEIK .. 8-) wasn't able to attend but listened an impressive DC call on the radio.
If you recall, DC once dated my daughter many many moons ago. Always lied Dean ....real gentleman and a great radio voice.

As I recall the game, it was a bac and forth 1st half with Scranton lighting it up 2nd half. Other than Huch, it seemed the Colonels were just not ready that night. It was first game off extended break .....but the Royals were missing some key players and clearly the better team that night.
Wilkes, as you know, has not lost since. Most of the Freedom wins have been pretty 'convincing'. Games have not been that close.
Well balanced team that can hurt you inside  or out. Terrific freshman PG in Wilson. Much improved team speed and quickness.
Coach JR has the team playing together with defensive intensity and good ball movement.
Still a ways to go but a very nice squad.  :D

How are things going for you?  You can still cash in your dinner coupon for some bet you won years ago.  ;D
If you still have my contact #'s give me a ring or drop me a line.

Miss the old rivalry games.

Best

Naismith

What's up Nais? Scoring the ball lately? LOL. It kills the Colonel when they lose to Scranton, especially in a huge way.
No, I didn't forget dinner but it may have to be halfway between Allentown and W-B. Had to move and land employment in the Lehigh Valley thanks in part to....well, you know. Let's keep in touch.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 26, 2012, 08:00:19 AM
Quote from: cold_case on January 24, 2012, 09:11:55 AM
LOL. It kills the Colonel when they lose to Scranton, especially in a huge way.

You have no idea... but that 2006 MAC-F title game still burned worse.

So, Wilkes finally takes a conference loss... any one wanna break down Clippers / Lakers?  :D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on January 26, 2012, 10:17:28 AM
CJ and others...I wasn't able to catch any of the Clippers/Lakers game last night.  And quite frankly ever since MJ left, the NBA hasn't really caught my attention.

But what I did do last night was update the matrix for this season since we reached the halfway point of the Conference season.  And since Wilkes strong start to the season has seemingly woken the Wilkes-Barre folks up on this board, I figured you'd all like to give this a quick glance.

Enjoy the second half of the year - http://athletics.desales.edu/custompages/gen/Hoops%20Matrix%20Men.pdf?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on January 29, 2012, 11:20:57 AM
Huge thanks this morning to Trevor Turner of ESPN radio, Williamsport for his fantastic (sorry CJ) calls of the final minutes of the DelVal/Wilkes game yesterday afternoon.  Wilkes was ahead by nine with just minutes to play when the Aggies staged an amazing comeback bolstered by 50 points total from Nathan Bollinger (an Aggie record).  We had left after the women's game, but it still gives me chills this am to listen to those calls!  THANK YOU!!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mailsy on January 29, 2012, 12:44:36 PM
Ok Freedom posters.  What have you seen out of Eastern this year?  I see they are 13-5 and 6-2.  Rivalry game against Cabrini who is 18-1.  Will they beat Cavs at their place?  What are your thoughts? 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on January 29, 2012, 03:03:16 PM
Mailsy-
The Battle of Eagle Road promises to be an interesting test for both teams. Eastern is in the midst of a killer 6-game stretch with Cabrini as the second middle game. While the home team will be riding a four-game winning streak going into Monday, they also have to be certain to be ready for a critical home contest against King's on Wednesday.

Cabrini has Rosemont on Wednesday. Therein lies the question of the night. Eastern has figured out ways to win close games in a rugged and pretty even conference. I cannot speak to the difference between the CSAC and the Freedom, but my rough calculations have Freedom teams at 9-1 against CSAC squads. Neumann beat Del Val (1-7 Freedom) for the CSAC's only win.

This is a little skewed because there are no games between Freedom teams and Cabrini, Keystone, and Gwynedd-Mercy, but I don't think the point I would make is that the top Freedom teams are better than them per se. What I would argue is that there are no gimmes for the top teams (whoever that may be) in the Freedom. There are at least a few of those in the CSAC.

Eastern has some soft teams (PSU-ABINGTON, LEHMAN) at the front of the schedule, but not many on the inside.

The other thought is that Eastern starts 5 seniors, and that they can on certain days be very good with the ball. As Cabrini averages 85 per game, I have to think they get a lot of those off turnovers and in transition. That might not be as available tomorrow.

It should be a lot of fun. There will be a live broadcast of the game at bit.ly/eagle_vision
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mailsy on January 29, 2012, 06:29:32 PM
Thanks chairman!  Tomorrow should be a very good game with a very alive and entertaining crowd.  Get there early everyone or you won't get in.  8-)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 05, 2012, 05:52:26 PM
Real tight race going into the home stretch of the schedule - three teams tied for first.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mailsy on February 06, 2012, 12:37:58 AM
Good story on the Daily Dose from Gordon Mann about the MAC.  Thank you GM.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 06, 2012, 09:08:29 AM
Since i've been on D3 for ten years now, i can't believe i'm asking this, but how does one get into daily dose?  Thanks for alerting everyone to the MAC article, Mailsy - now, i'd just like to read it  :) - thanks whoever answers this!  Ugh
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2012, 11:13:11 AM
Kate -- this is a direct link to the story. It's on our blog, which we admittedly don't use so much anymore.

http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2012/02/05/pausing-before-the-stretch-run/

There's a link to it on the front page, too -- one of the four rotating top stories.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on February 06, 2012, 11:41:18 AM
Thanks, Mailsy.

I briefly considered Lemons as Player of the Year but had to go with Sharry.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 06, 2012, 03:42:29 PM
Thanks for supplying the direct link, Pat!  Good article, now just hope the Aggie Women can play a spoiler role, as well as the Del Val guys!   Thanks to you, too Gordon!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mailsy on February 06, 2012, 09:47:16 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on February 06, 2012, 11:41:18 AM
Thanks, Mailsy.

I briefly considered Lemons as Player of the Year but had to go with Sharry.

I can understand that. If you look at his numbers.  But I'm a Cabrini guy.  I want to see Lemons get it.  :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on February 08, 2012, 10:28:11 PM
Great job by FDU tonight - congrats guys!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on February 15, 2012, 08:03:14 AM
Big win for FDU last night...One more and you're in!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2012, 04:07:35 PM
FYI: Misericordia Coach Trevor Woodruff will be featured on Hoopsville tonight. The show starts at 7:30 PM EST and Coach Woodruff will be on in the first 30 minutes.

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Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 18, 2012, 08:48:15 AM
Welcome to the final day of the regular season, kids.  And no better way to close it out than King's at Wilkes... and I'll see you there.

A Wilkes win, I think (BJ - you're welcome to confirm or deny) clinches the #2 spot, and a playoff game at the Marts Center for the first time in quite a while.  Just looking forward to being able to use the phrase "Marts Madness" in the 2nd half of February again.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 18, 2012, 10:06:38 AM
CJ...consider it confirmed.  A Wilkes win and they are in fact #2.  Miseri is locked in at #1 and Wilkes is in no matter what happens today.  The other scenarios for today are below.  Enjoy the last day.

And CJ if the scenario in which DeSales gets #2 and Wilkes gets #3 happens at the end of today...you are always welcome to Billera Hall next week for some "Billera Madness",  ;)

DeSales Win, Wilkes Loss, FDU Win = #2 DeSales, #3 Wilkes, #4 FDU

DeSales Win, Wilkes Win, FDU Win = #2 Wilkes, #3 DeSales, #4 FDU

DeSales Loss, Wilkes Loss, FDU Win = #2 Eastern, #3 Wilkes, #4 FDU

DeSales Loss, Wilkes Win, FDU Win = #2 Wilkes. #3 Eastern. #4 FDU

DeSales Win, Wilkes Loss, FDU Loss = #2 DeSales, #3 Wilkes, #4 Eastern

DeSales Win, Wilkes Win, FDU Loss = #2 Wilkes, #3 DeSales, #4 Eastern

DeSales Loss, Wilkes Loss, FDU Loss = #2 Eastern, #3 Wilkes, #4 DeSales

DeSales Loss, Wilkes Win, FDU Loss = #2 Wilkes, #3 Eastern, #4 DeSales
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mailsy on February 18, 2012, 10:56:00 AM
Quote from: BJ - DSU SID on February 18, 2012, 10:06:38 AM
CJ...consider it confirmed.  A Wilkes win and they are in fact #2.  Miseri is locked in at #1 and Wilkes is in no matter what happens today.  The other scenarios for today are below.  Enjoy the last day.

And CJ if the scenario in which DeSales gets #2 and Wilkes gets #3 happens at the end of today...you are always welcome to Billera Hall next week for some "Billera Madness",  ;)

DeSales Win, Wilkes Loss, FDU Win = #2 DeSales, #3 Wilkes, #4 FDU

DeSales Win, Wilkes Win, FDU Win = #2 Wilkes, #3 DeSales, #4 FDU

DeSales Loss, Wilkes Loss, FDU Win = #2 Eastern, #3 Wilkes, #4 FDU

DeSales Loss, Wilkes Win, FDU Win = #2 Wilkes. #3 Eastern. #4 FDU

DeSales Win, Wilkes Loss, FDU Loss = #2 DeSales, #3 Wilkes, #4 Eastern

DeSales Win, Wilkes Win, FDU Loss = #2 Wilkes, #3 DeSales, #4 Eastern

DeSales Loss, Wilkes Loss, FDU Loss = #2 Eastern, #3 Wilkes, #4 DeSales

DeSales Loss, Wilkes Win, FDU Loss = #2 Wilkes, #3 Eastern, #4 DeSales

That's quite a concise breakdown of the conference on the last day.  Good job +1.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mailsy on February 18, 2012, 10:01:10 PM
So DeSales is out.  FDU travels to Miseri and Eastern takes the trip to Wilkes.   Congrats to the Eagles and FDU.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 20, 2012, 08:10:43 AM
Wilkes - Eastern... Wilkes won at Eastern, Eastern won at Wilkes. Interesting.

Miseri - FDU... Misericordia has won 10 straight games.  Their last loss? FDU.  More interesting.

Wednesday should be a good one...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 20, 2012, 09:18:20 AM
Quote from: mailsy on February 18, 2012, 10:01:10 PM
So DeSales is out.  FDU travels to Miseri and Eastern takes the trip to Wilkes.   Congrats to the Eagles and FDU.

Congrats to the Eagles?  You call yourself a Cabrini fan?

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mailsy on February 20, 2012, 09:36:42 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 20, 2012, 09:18:20 AM
Quote from: mailsy on February 18, 2012, 10:01:10 PM
So DeSales is out.  FDU travels to Miseri and Eastern takes the trip to Wilkes.   Congrats to the Eagles and FDU.

Congrats to the Eagles?  You call yourself a Cabrini fan?



Yes.  So you're not congratulating Eastern? Hmm.  Now why is that?  Nevermind I know.  ;)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 20, 2012, 12:59:42 PM
I just thought that "Go Cavs" = "I hate Eastern" and vice versa.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mailsy on February 20, 2012, 03:34:33 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 20, 2012, 12:59:42 PM
I just thought that "Go Cavs" = "I hate Eastern" and vice versa.

No.  Don't be hatin.  8-)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on February 20, 2012, 08:19:59 PM
Kate - I would have been interested in seeing what DelVal could have become this year. Two guards, including a lightning quick 6'3" freshman went down before the season began with knee injuries and the 6'8" sophomore transfer from a D2 school in North Carolina didn't make the grades and left after the first semester.

For the 2012-2013 season, the entire team comes back and with Beckett, Bollinger, Derr, the rehabbed 6'3" point guard, a very interesting potential transfer of a D1-AA player and two Philadelphia high school kids with ties to the school (6'5" and 6'6").......next year could be a very interesting season.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 21, 2012, 10:16:07 AM
Amen to that scenario, jmcozenlaw!  :)  Admittedly we didn't stay for any of the Men's games this season, but when we arrived home, first thing, we'd check live stats for the score.  It looks really good for an Aggie run in the play-offs in the 12/13 season.  Thanks for an optimistic  post!!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on February 22, 2012, 07:46:00 AM
Good luck tonight Devils - I'll be all over livestats....
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on February 22, 2012, 08:43:18 AM
Eastern will be running live video at Wilkes tonight. Bit.ly/eagle_vision


First time the production has gone on the road. Should be an interesting test in Wilkes-Barre for the Eagles.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: cold_case on February 22, 2012, 09:01:48 AM
Interesting about these MAC playoffs. Miseri, Eastern and FDU with Miseri the top seed?

"The times, they are a changing" ..... Bob Dylan
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mailsy on February 22, 2012, 12:49:30 PM
Quote from: chairman on February 22, 2012, 08:43:18 AM
Eastern will be running live video at Wilkes tonight. Bit.ly/eagle_vision


First time the production has gone on the road. Should be an interesting test in Wilkes-Barre for the Eagles.

Will they have live stats?  Much easier for me at work.  ;D
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 22, 2012, 01:07:52 PM
A quick reply to cold case, just at glance at your Landmark post season games indicate that it's all exMAC!  Soooo, of course, we've changed in the MAC.  I for one, am thrilled that we've had schools make the leap.  Can only speak for myself when i say, as i've often said, still miss Drew & Scranton in our half.  Back to the MAC, go Wilkes!, and go FDU!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 22, 2012, 05:52:45 PM
Quote from: chairman on February 22, 2012, 08:43:18 AM
Eastern will be running live video at Wilkes tonight. Bit.ly/eagle_vision


First time the production has gone on the road. Should be an interesting test in Wilkes-Barre for the Eagles.

Chairman - well done.  I'll still get the sound from ESPN Williamsport, but live video is certainly an added bonus.

Game on...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 23, 2012, 05:41:54 PM
Great OT win last night CJ, for you and the Colonels!  GO get em on Saturday!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 24, 2012, 08:22:26 AM
Quote from: kate on February 23, 2012, 05:41:54 PM
Great OT win last night CJ, for you and the Colonels!  GO get em on Saturday!

Thanks, kate!  I was glued to the live stats (GoWilkesU.com) during the game, and at various points tuned in to the ESPN Williamsport audio feed, and the Eastern Eagle-Vision video feed... all of which were VERY well done.

Why wouldn't both teams score 75 in regulation (40 minutes), then go for 28 and 23 in OT (5 minutes). Nobody missed in OT! Unreal.  And, a quick side note - now the last TWO home playoff games for Wilkes (NCAA's in 2001, and Wednesday) have both gone overtime.  Strange coincidence, with the Marts Center living up to the Marts Madness moniker.

So, yup, time to make another 2 hour pilgrimage up I-81 North, and go see Misericordia's home court for the first time since... well, ever.  Saturday, 4 PM.  Top 2 teams in the Freedom League (who split the season series) playing for a title.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopzwiz on February 26, 2012, 08:43:23 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on February 24, 2012, 08:22:26 AM
Quote from: kate on February 23, 2012, 05:41:54 PM
So, yup, time to make another 2 hour pilgrimage up I-81 North, and go see Misericordia's home court for the first time since... well, ever.  Saturday, 4 PM.  Top 2 teams in the Freedom League (who split the season series) playing for a title.

ColonelJohn4Life
How was your visit to Misericordia?  Obviously not the outcome you had hoped but what did you think of the place?
Any thoughts on the game?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 26, 2012, 05:30:44 PM
Quote from: hoopzwiz on February 26, 2012, 08:43:23 AM
ColonelJohn4Life
How was your visit to Misericordia?  Obviously not the outcome you had hoped but what did you think of the place?
Any thoughts on the game?

Wiz,

"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, what did you think of the play?"

Other than the obvious, yeah, the visit up north this weekend was alright.  Misericordia's gym - nice little facility.  And, judging by the construction across the parking lot, business is good on the mountain.  Quick aside, and forgive the ignorance, when did it become a University?  All the credit in the world to Misericordia today, for picking up a banner in Wilkes-Barre from the Lady Monarchs, and making sure the Colonels didn't steal one right back.

Let me just take a minute to give thanks to Coach Rickrode and this group of Colonels.  I got on board again at the 2nd game of the season, seeing them play at Dickinson, and for 25 1/2 games this season, they played like Champions.  They beat King's twice, they got to a Conference Championship game for the first time in 6 years.  I'm disappointed (not remotely angry) that they didn't win it all, but I'm thankful for the ride.

Misericordia obviously had a hell of a team this year.  11-3 in conference, winners of 12 straight, and doing what they did in the 2nd half doesn't happen by accident.  I'm still trying to get my head around how the 1st half - Wilkes dumping it in to Hinze, all day, and leading 27-24 at halftime... how that {click} the switch got flipped and Misericordia goes on a 20-3 run to open the 2nd half.  Miseri really didn't fire off too many 3's in the 1st half - were they sandbagging that??  2nd half it was an ASSAULT from 3.

Congrats where it's due.  Good luck in the Dance, Cougars.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 27, 2012, 12:35:49 PM
CJ,

Thanks for the love.  Misericordia became a University in 2007.

The first half was up and down and I thought it would lead to a down-to-the-wire finish.

Misericordia has shot near 40% from three-point range throughout the season, so the 1-for-6 first half effort was not the norm for them.

I was impressed with how the big crowd handled themselves - on both sides.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on March 14, 2012, 11:46:56 AM
Misericordia's Ethan Eichhorst has been selected to play in the NABC Reese's D-III All-Star game.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 14, 2012, 10:37:20 PM
Here's the full list -- made the rounds earlier:

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2012/03/all-star-rosters-announced
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 31, 2012, 12:09:16 PM
Hope you don't mind a break in the action, as it were, but I want to share a story the D3 community should know about. You actually may have seen the story on the front page of D3hoops.com, but just in case:

A Goucher basketball player has been paralyzed in a freak accident. He was wrestling around with a friend one morning in his dorm building when he landed on his neck. The entire story is here (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2012/05/goucher-player-paralyzed).

He was released from the hospital to the Kennedy Krieger Institute for rehab shortly after that article was posted last week. However, over the weekend he was sent back to the hospital when he apparently had trouble breathing. Now he awaits a return to the rehab facility, probably any day if he hasn't been released already.

Please keep Damone Brooks, his family, the Goucher basketball team(s), and Goucher community in your thoughts, hearts, and prayers. The family certainly needs help with medical bills as well, so if you feel inclined, please consider them as well.

To follow his progress online, click here (http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/damonebrooks).
And to consider a donation, click here (http://www.helphopelive.org/find-a-patient/profile/index.cfm/patient/FE0B84F4-C845-2122-B07EA3093EFAF336).

Thank you for taking the time to read this. Please feel free to contact me with any questions.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ryan_finch on September 24, 2012, 09:33:39 AM
On September 29th Muhlenberg College will host it's 4th Annual Fall Shootout. I invite all college coaches to come on by to watch some high level basketball. The first game will begin at 8:30 am and the last game will be at 8:30 pm. Below is a list of schools which will be in attendance. I hope you can make it!

Emmaus   PA
Rutgers Prep   NJ
Allen   PA
Paul VI   VA
Westtown   PA
Parkland   PA
Bethlehem Catholic   PA
Dieruff   PA
North Hunterdon   NJ
Del Val Charter   PA
Phoenixville   PA
Mendham   NJ
Ridge   NJ
Cumberland Valley   PA
Delaware County Christian   PA
Quakertown   PA
Pen Argyl   PA
Souderton   PA
Stroudsburg   PA
St. Johns Bapist   NY
Freedom   PA
Hatboro-Horsham   PA
Patrick School   NJ
Holy Cross   PA
Constitution   PA
Atholton   MD
Gill St. Bernards   NJ
Ben Franklin   PA
Springfield Delco   PA
Point Pleasant Beach   NJ
Nazareth   PA
Myers   PA
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 17, 2012, 04:27:08 PM
The Preseason Top 25 is out: http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2012-13/preseason (http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2012-13/preseason)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on November 28, 2012, 07:16:04 PM
Wow... other than the obligatory Top 25 post, there hasn't been a post in here since September?  Shame on us!

Got a rematch of February's MAC-F Title game up on the mountain at Misericordia tonight.  I'll be tuning in, assuming ESPN Williamsport is still doing their thing.  As Kanye West would say, "Got my Colonels in Dallas, and they going gorillas, HAAH!"
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on December 02, 2012, 12:32:50 AM
Congrats to the FDU Men today - getting into the win column against Kings was nice...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on December 05, 2012, 11:21:07 PM
Very exciting OT win tonight for FDU over former MAC rival Drew....
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on December 29, 2012, 11:13:27 AM
In this long lull between men & women's games for the Aggies, was looking forward to following the DelVal/Husson game this afternoon at Catholic.  No such luck - no live stats, except for their (CUA) own game at 4.  Oh well
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on December 29, 2012, 02:40:49 PM
Apologies to CUA - they do have live stats of the DVC/Husson game  ;)!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on December 29, 2012, 07:46:24 PM
congrats to FDU with a winner today at Trinity....
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on December 30, 2012, 03:43:23 PM
Real close game this afternoon, but the Aggies prevailed 69/66 against Denison at the Catholic University Holiday Tourney. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on January 02, 2013, 09:35:12 PM
Alright, FDU gets another win vs. Hunter tonight...time to string a few together!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on January 07, 2013, 10:45:56 PM
Not a lot of action on the board...

FDU gets another win tonight (over TCNJ), improving to 5-7. That's 2 in a row heading into the bulk of conference play....
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on January 09, 2013, 10:09:18 PM
FDU takes another step toward .500 with a road conference win over Manhattanville tonight....
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on January 28, 2013, 10:46:31 PM
I would of loved to have seen this years DVC Aggies team with Nate Bollinger. I believe they might have taken the MAC Freedom.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on January 30, 2013, 10:28:31 AM
Good morning, jmcozenlaw!  Just noticed your post, & even tho we don't really follow the Aggie guys, it was the first i realized that Nate Bollinger had transferred to Millersville.  Know absolutely none of the circumstances, but after checking the Millersville stats, i think he would have had a MUCH better year for basketball with the Aggies!  Just my opinion.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on January 30, 2013, 10:31:15 PM
Congratulations to the Aggies of Del Val, handing DeSales their first League loss tonight, 74/71!   Way to GO!!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on February 01, 2013, 07:46:01 PM
Kate - The Millersville move was primarily financial (he's got a basketball scholarship) and personal (grew up in York). He would have made a big difference this year and he's not doing a whole lot at Millersville.

Arnold & Sly are lightning quick guards. Add Bollinger as a 2/3, Derr at the 4 and Beckett and I believe they win the MAC Freedom.

On another note........my spies tell me that the football team will be loading up on some significant transfers at a few vital positions. If they can put out a solid offensive line, the offense could set records!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 02, 2013, 05:54:29 PM
Del Val, now tied for the MAC lead after beating Eastern this afternoon, and Misericordia beating DeSales.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 08, 2013, 02:39:56 PM
Misericordia vs. Del Val has been pushed back to 5:00.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 10, 2013, 07:56:07 AM
Until DeSales meets FDU this afternoon, Del Val, by virtue of their win yesterday over Misericordia, is at the top of the MAC Freedom!!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: adamburdett on February 10, 2013, 09:55:38 AM
Rooting for DeSales today out in New Jersey.  Hard to believe that after starting 0-8 in the conference, Wilkes is right there for the 4th and final playoff spot.  Colonels playing with great effort and balance over the last few games.  Looking forward to a very tough test at DeSales on Tuesday.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on February 10, 2013, 11:04:47 AM
I have to check my facts but I believe the DVC Aggies were picked to finish fifth or sixth in the preseason MAC Freedom rankings. After losing all-conference guard Nate Bollinger to Millersville (he of the 50 point game last season) and Nate Lewis, a valuable reserve for two years, I felt the rankings were pretty spot on.

But to lose those two players, carry the smallest roster and put out the shortest team in the MAC...............and to be two wins away from a MAC Freedom Regular Season Championship, ranks right up there with the most remarkable season that I can ever recall. 

Amazing job by the Aggies!! Finish it out strong and shock the MAC. You're playing with house money:)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: adamburdett on February 10, 2013, 05:17:39 PM
Desales beats FDu today, pieces falling into place for Wilkes and others.  FDu 5-7 with Wilkes, eastern, kings and manhattanville all a game back.  Should be a fun week.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: adamburdett on February 12, 2013, 02:31:40 PM
So tonight I am a fan of:
Wilkes
Del Valley
Eastern
Misericordia

Looking forward to the trip to DeSales tonight. Let's Go Colonels!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on February 13, 2013, 07:11:09 PM
All 4-8 teams in the MAC Freedom lose last night and FDU wins to clinch the #4 seed.

If the Aggies win at FDU on Saturday......they host FDU four days later. I'm not quite sure what FDU is playing for given that they can't get the #3 seed.

I see a close Aggies victory on Saturday and a regular season championship that nobody on this planet saw coming back in November!! 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on February 18, 2013, 08:36:15 PM
We'll have a live video broadcast of Wednesday night's MAC Freedom semifinal at Delaware Valley.  You can watch the action here (http://www.d3hoops.com/links/yzx8tt).
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 19, 2013, 09:46:23 AM
Thanks for the heads up on the game, Gordon!   Until now, i hadn't realized that if FDU and DVC win tomorrow night, Del Val will host the final on Saturday.  First things first, however - GO Aggies, please make the Cougars an endangered species tomorrow night, and come on FDU - you can do it, too!   Thanks again to Gordon for the info and also to Del Val's stellar S.I.D., Matt Levy for the  seeding reminder.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 19, 2013, 09:58:52 AM
Sorry for the double here, but on page 207 (previous page), Gordon Mann has the link to watch the Aggie/Misericordia play-off game tomorrow night at 7 pm.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 19, 2013, 04:23:35 PM
Kate...I can't believe you are rooting against us vs. FDU-Florham.  You know are just as welcome to Billera Hall as you are James Work Gymnasium.  And the hot dogs are much tastier.

Besides that...you can also view the other Freedom semifinal on video tomorrow night - http://www.desalesathletics.tv
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 20, 2013, 10:47:43 AM
O.K., then, BJ - we REALLY hope to see all you DeSales' people on Sat.!!!!    The hot dogs - don't know about that one, but we do like your food variety :)      The only thing that would make this time of the year better is if the Aggie women were still playing!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 20, 2013, 09:15:04 PM
Congratulations to the Aggie men tonight - Del Val 65/Misericordia 49!    Now, we head to DeSales on Saturday!!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on February 20, 2013, 11:45:20 PM
Nice win by Delaware Valley tonight.

Jeremy Beckett reportedly battled an illness leading up to the game but played a great second half, scoring 15 points after the break including two crowd-pleasing dunks. Daulton Derr carried the offensive load for key portions of the game and Francis Arnold hit three consecutive threes to give the Aggies the lead for good. Steve Ware is a keeper for Misericordia.

DeSales' Coach Scott Coval is a great coach, but Casey Stitzel would get my vote for Conference Coach of the Year. I've seen this team a handful of times during the season and they have really come together. Kudos to him and Del Val for reaching the finals.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on February 22, 2013, 01:01:06 PM
Stitzel won Coach of the Year and he's not the only Aggie to get a major award.  Jeremy Beckett took player of the year and speedy guard Zach Sly took Rookie of the Year. Congrats to all three selections.

http://athletics.delval.edu/news/2013/2/22/MBB_13freedom.aspx
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: PBR... on February 23, 2013, 04:19:10 PM
Congrats to DVC on beating DeSales today! D3 March Madness here comes DVC!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on February 23, 2013, 06:47:24 PM
Pretty wild. How many seniors can say they went from worst to first to worst to first again in four years? :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 23, 2013, 07:38:52 PM
That game was amazing!!!   Huge congratulations to the Delaware Valley College Aggies!!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on February 23, 2013, 09:16:15 PM
Congrats to Del Val for pulling off a miracle!!! Great atmosphere today........the Aggies faithful travelled well (my, oh my, is that gym small or what??) and were rewarded for their awesome support.

What more is there to say. The preseason #5 (or #6) knocked off the preseason #1 on the road, where DeSales was 13-1 going into the game. I'm out of words to say so I'll just thank the Aggies for a remarkable season. The shortest (and slightest) team in the MAC, the fewest players on the roster of any team in the MAC and to win after Nate Bollinger transfers to Millersville is mind boggling!!

You are playing with house money now. Coach Stitzel.......use this momentum to have a great (tall:) recruiting class and shock the D3 Basketball World again next season!!

Thanks!!

Jay
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: UncleSam on February 25, 2013, 06:51:44 AM
Don't look now but it's time for a rhyme.
Uncle Sam is back for tournament time.
Without his presence, this board is dead.
"Today, Uncle Sam shall return!" he said.
As you read this, you can guess what he'll say.
He has declared today Del Val Day!
Congratulations to Coach Stitzel and staff.
Many doubted, now Sam has a laugh.
Another freedom title, is this true?
Indeed it is, they're better than you.
Del Val clearly has widened the gap.
America's Program is back on the map.
What is left for Uncle Sam to write?
Can the Aggies make a run? They just might.

http://www.waterfordwine.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/uncle-sam-wants-you.jpg

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 26, 2013, 08:43:39 AM
Definitely hard to top Uncle Sam, but BEST of Luck to our Aggies Saturday night as they take on the Marlins of Virginia Wesleyan!!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 27, 2013, 03:28:51 PM
Good luck to DeSales tonight in their ECAC game with Moravian!!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 27, 2013, 08:40:37 PM
DeSales 73/Moravian 60 - congratulations Bull Dogs!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on March 02, 2013, 11:00:49 AM
Good luck to DeSales at 1 as they take on Juniata, and Good luck to our Aggies playing Virginian Wesleyan at 7 in Virginia Beach!!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on March 02, 2013, 09:30:30 PM
The Aggies had a tough time tonight reeling in a very solid, good Virginia Wesleyan team in Virginia Beach losing 76/61.  Congratulations to the Del Val Men for a tremendous season & winning the MAC Freedom Championship.  Now i hope the Marlins go on to take it all!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 02, 2013, 09:35:32 PM
Kate way to represent the MAC Freedom!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mailsy on March 02, 2013, 09:36:45 PM
Quote from: kate on March 02, 2013, 09:30:30 PM
The Aggies had a tough time tonight reeling in a very solid, good Virginia Wesleyan team in Virginia Beach losing 76/61.  Congratulations to the Del Val Men for a tremendous season & winning the MAC Freedom Championship.  Now i hope the Marlins go on to take it all!

Great year for Delaware Valley.
But come on Kate. Not going to root for the local schools?  :'(  ;)

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on March 02, 2013, 10:05:24 PM
Hi Mailsy!  First, huge congratulations to Cabrini!  May the best team win!!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mailsy on March 02, 2013, 10:33:15 PM
Thanks!  :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on March 12, 2013, 03:53:24 PM
No one has asked, but i'm just saying, my personal favorites in the Men's race to the D3 Championship, by far Cabrini and Virginia Wesleyan!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on March 13, 2013, 05:46:56 PM
Congratulations to Del Val's Jeremy Beckett named to the First Team of d3 All-Stars Mid Atlantic Region!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on April 19, 2013, 09:01:29 AM
We have NEPAFAN to thank for this, & even though Del Val isn't here,  this site is interesting:  http://d3recruits.blogspot.com/
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on November 18, 2013, 10:35:26 AM
Was anyone at the Del Val vs Widener game? Widener seemed to be down last year and was pick in the bottom few of the MAC CWealth this year. Did Del Val under achieve, Widener overachieve or was Widener the better team? Thought Del Val could go a while before their first loss.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on November 18, 2013, 05:09:40 PM
Eastern's Home Opener against Cabrini sold out in 22 minutes. Those unable to get into the game can watch online at http://bit.ly/EagleVision

Eagles looked pretty good in Exhibition OT loss at UMBC. They are very young, but there is some good new talent. Cabrini seems to have reloaded with new players.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Clutch on November 18, 2013, 07:06:26 PM
Thanks for the info chairman, the EU facility is pretty tight.  Not sure about Cabrini this year, Aaron Walton Moss , well he is one of the best in nation, Rafferty, and Miller seniors will lead the corp, not sure about any other players.  Somehow that team seemed to beat the odds last year they won some impressive road games when they were written off early and got to Elite 8....will be interesting to see if their coach can continue the success of winning another conference and get deeper into the tournament.   As for EU this season looks promising for them.  Their players seem to have some speed, body length, and if they are well coached anything can happen.  Should be a good game out of the gate to get things started with a rivalry that is literally across the street, the students should be in for an early treat.  This game will set the tone for one of the teams.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 18, 2013, 10:15:32 PM
How big is the gym at Eastern?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mailsy on November 18, 2013, 10:22:46 PM
Quote from: chairman on November 18, 2013, 05:09:40 PM
Eastern's Home Opener against Cabrini sold out in 22 minutes. Those unable to get into the game can watch online at http://bit.ly/EagleVision



Yes and when will Eastern learn.  :o This is probably the largest crowd all year for them. This game should should be played at a gym that can fit both schools. Since the Battle of Eagle Road this is the first one I might miss. How is it fair for people not to get into this game and see it live instead of on the stream? Like that's going to make it exciting. Cabrini has offered that the game be played at their place. Eastern was told they could count it as a home game. Sell tickets(which Cabrini doesn't do), concessions, everything would be Eastern's. They'd get over 1200 people in the stands, plus concessions. They'd make a heck of a lot more money. No Eastern has decided to limit how many people will get to see this game. 700+ fans won't get to experience it. This is not like it is a one time thing. In 2009 it was standing room only. 2011 they sold tickets. A lot of people didn't get in. There were parents were turned away because they came after work and couldn't get in to see their sons play. It's now 2013 what have they done different? Oh that's right! They did a pre-sale. Sold out in 22 minutes. Still what does that do for fans who can't get to the presale. When will the college learn? Is it sour grapes on my part? You bet it is. Do at a place like the Palestra. There are High School gyms in the area that are bigger than Eastern's gym. Do something!! If you know this battle is going to happen every year figure it out. Here's a new idea. Why can't you build a new complex? Oh yeah I know money. Oh well! Nevermind. Small colleges are never about the money.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Clutch on November 19, 2013, 09:51:31 AM
perhaps the NCAA needs to look into the facility, not to mention the shaking hoops.....I believe Rosemont is not too conducive to a full house either.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Clutch on November 19, 2013, 09:54:59 AM
if I am correct have not been there for a few years, the PA system there is terrible as well without enough room at the end of one of the baselines, I could be mistaken, perhaps you could let us know if you attend live Mailsy.
Very sad for student athletes , working parents, and fans who cannot see the game live. Agreed.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on November 19, 2013, 10:24:01 AM
Is this contest even going to be close? Could be over in the first half. No disrespect to Eastern. Also, if I were Eastern no way I would want to move the game to Cabrini. Why go from your home court advantage (gym size ect....) to a really tough place to play against a national power. Would be nice to see Eastern get after it and compete, just not sure if their program is at the level needed to contest a team like Cabrini. Safe travels to all going.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Clutch on November 19, 2013, 01:48:36 PM
agreed CC, and since this is a rivalry game of intensity, you never know what can happen....
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Clutch on November 19, 2013, 01:50:09 PM
In all honesty, if Moss plays big minutes, no way EU can win this one.....
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: chairman on November 19, 2013, 03:57:19 PM
The ticket sale was announced in advance to both constituencies, and there are going to be a good number of Cabrini people in the stands. The reason for doing the presale was to eliminate people standing outside the gym during the game. Nothing wrong with those people per se, but it became a security nightmare in 2011 as a lot of the people who were locked out (there were warnings given that the game would sell out, but people still showed up at 7:30 thinking they would get in.)
The proceeds from the ticket sales are being donated to World Vision to aid in Typhoon relief.
The court is regulation sized, but it is a tight squeeze to get 500+ people into the game. That being said, it is a competition and both schools want to have their home games.
You make building a gym sound like changing your shoes or buying a different style of uniforms. There is more to it than that (Money is an issue, but space is an issue as well. Eastern's campus is larger than Cabrini's, but a lot of the space cannot be built on because of it's proximity to water or inaccessibility for vehicles.)
Eastern brought in a new president this year, and all in the athletic department have high hopes that a new athletic  facility will be high on his priority list. A little discontent will not hurt in helping the board/ president to see need.
If Cabrini would agree to go to a neutral site every year, I am pretty confident that Eastern would agree.
Eastern will have a livestream on a big screen in an adjacent gym.


Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Clutch on November 19, 2013, 05:27:34 PM
hear you chairman that's what Naddlehoffer said too before he left....apologize if I misspelled his name.  He also had high hopes that the program and facilities would be taken to a new level, sure do hope it happens soon.  Rumor had it that the EU security gaurds could not handle the crowd in 2011 and they had to call the Cabrini public safety guys over.  It is getting old though. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Clutch on November 19, 2013, 05:28:51 PM
I think mailsy said the presale was sold out in less than 20 minutes lol......
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on November 21, 2013, 12:23:36 AM
Congrats to Coach Marion and the Devils, getting an OT win against Staten Island....
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on November 30, 2013, 09:49:10 PM
Nice NESCAC win tonight for FDU over Trinity...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on December 01, 2013, 05:47:31 PM
FDU completes the weekend with a win over Union! Jon Flete named tournament MVP....great job!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mailsy on December 09, 2013, 11:11:21 PM
Some trip for DeSales!  :o Then pick up a win at St. Mary's.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on December 10, 2013, 09:15:13 AM
Wow - nice  out of conference win for DeSales...should be a nice matchup when we see them again (hopefully at full strength next time :)

FDU finishes strong before the break, road wins at Kings and Drew. 

Conference race should be interesting - as usual.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 12, 2013, 04:10:15 PM
FYI... tonight on Hoopsville we talk to DeSales MBB coach Scott Coval talks about the team's 11-hour trip to #9 St. Mary's Sunday (should have taken four) and then their big win on Monday without their best player.

You can watch the show TONIGHT starting at 7 PM EST: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2013-14/dec12 (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2013-14/dec12)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Clutch on December 13, 2013, 08:49:31 AM
impressive feat indeed.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on January 02, 2014, 07:13:30 PM
Fantastic win for Del Val tonight beating Hobart 74/73 in the Franklin & Marshall tourney in Lancaster!  F & M has the best video feed & announcers!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 02, 2014, 09:59:09 PM
Kate, it looked like Del Val was going to run away with the game, but had to hold on for dear life for the win.  Del Val had much more speed and even match up well height wise with Hobart.  Hobart put on a gallant closing to almost pull out the victory.  A good game to watch because the team seemed evenly matched.  Glad to hear about the video coverage, because some of the coverage I've watched from other venue has been terrible.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on January 03, 2014, 08:50:42 AM
Good morning Reserved Seat!  That game was fun to watch (except at the end).  As I've said before I mainly follow the women,but they don't play until Monday, so the men have my attention tonight.  I'm sure F & M will give them a huge game.  Was surprised to notice that two DVC starters are out (one with his  arm in a sling).  Don't know when it occurred.  After this day of shoveling, I'm looking forward to watching your magnificent video feed of the game tonight!  Enjoy!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 03, 2014, 02:58:17 PM
Hope they live up to your expectations tonight.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on January 03, 2014, 08:57:19 PM
This was NOT the Aggies night!  The video feed was cutting out just now, but F & M was running away with the game, so just wanted to congratulate the Diplomats - they played a great game!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 02, 2014, 08:40:17 AM
Fantastic call of the Aggie/Wilkes men's game yesterday, Gordon!  We attended the women's game!  We're always thrilled to know that Gordon Mann will be announcing our Del Val games!  Looking forward to the games next Saturday with Eastern!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on February 02, 2014, 01:54:22 PM
Thanks, Kate.  I had fun at James Work as usual. I've also been calling games for Cabrini men, which I've enjoyed.  It's serendipity that I can do nearly all of the home games for Cabrini men and Del Val in the final month without any overlap.  Nice to have the schedule line up that way.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopzwiz on February 14, 2014, 09:12:08 AM
Where is everyone on this board?  Dave McHugh doesn't even advertise Hoopsville on here.

Should be lots to talk about with all the possible scenarios left to play out.

Looks like DeSales by a nose for the #1 seed.  What is up with Del Val?  Can Kings make it all the way back into a playoff spot?  Let's get this page moving.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2014, 10:12:29 AM
Quote from: hoopzwiz on February 14, 2014, 09:12:08 AM
Where is everyone on this board?  Dave McHugh doesn't even advertise Hoopsville on here.

He does, when there's a Freedom Conference guest.

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 12, 2013, 04:10:15 PM
FYI... tonight on Hoopsville we talk to DeSales MBB coach Scott Coval talks about the team's 11-hour trip to #9 St. Mary's Sunday (should have taken four) and then their big win on Monday without their best player.

You can watch the show TONIGHT starting at 7 PM EST: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2013-14/dec12 (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2013-14/dec12)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: hoopzwiz on February 14, 2014, 10:19:21 AM
Thanks Pat.  Wasn't questioning you guys.  Thought perhaps the board was so silent that you decided it was a waste of time.
Keep up the quality work.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 26, 2014, 09:30:54 PM
If anyone cares, Misericordia beat FDU-Florham, 80-74.  DeSales beat Manhattanville.

Misericordia at DeSales in Freedom title game, Saturday at 3:00.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 27, 2014, 12:02:33 AM
I care.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ronk on February 27, 2014, 12:27:37 AM
 There are only 62 tickets to the big dance; this is 1 of them.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on February 27, 2014, 09:55:20 AM
Tough loss for FDU on the road...I didn't get to see the game (our ladies' team was home)....but a 32-8 difference in free throws is really, really tough to overcome :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 27, 2014, 10:56:06 AM
The Freedom board is alive.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 28, 2014, 10:25:25 AM
Wilkes Coach Jerry Rickrode is leaving his coaching position at the school for an administrative job at Wilkes.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 28, 2014, 12:06:17 PM

All-Freedom team is announced:

http://gomacsports.com/news/2014/2/28/MBB_0228145551.aspx
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 28, 2014, 04:09:05 PM
Quote from: kate on February 28, 2014, 10:25:25 AM
Wilkes Coach Jerry Rickrode is leaving his coaching position at the school for an administrative job at Wilkes.

Colonel John to the White Courtesy Phone....Colonel John to the White Courtesy Phone...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on March 08, 2014, 09:21:47 AM
Congratulations DeSales!!!   Good Luck with Mary Washington!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 20, 2014, 01:55:02 PM
I'm really looking forward to watching the Delaware Valley Aggies this year. Everybody is returning from last year and Coach Stitzel hit the mother load with several immediate, high impact players!!

Can't start soon enough :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on October 30, 2014, 10:28:00 AM
Delaware Valley College picked #1 in the MAC Freedom Pre-Season Poll!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ronk on November 01, 2014, 10:56:53 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 20, 2014, 01:55:02 PM
I'm really looking forward to watching the Delaware Valley Aggies this year. Everybody is returning from last year and Coach Stitzel hit the mother load with several immediate, high impact players!!

Can't start soon enough :)

Here's a link about Del Val's 6-9 D1 transfer:
http://cityofbasketballlove.com/2014/10/ochenje-brings-d-i-talent-to-del-val-aggies/


Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 02, 2014, 08:49:45 PM
Quote from: ronk on November 01, 2014, 10:56:53 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 20, 2014, 01:55:02 PM
I'm really looking forward to watching the Delaware Valley Aggies this year. Everybody is returning from last year and Coach Stitzel hit the mother load with several immediate, high impact players!!

Can't start soon enough :)

Here's a link about Del Val's 6-9 D1 transfer:
http://cityofbasketballlove.com/2014/10/ochenje-brings-d-i-talent-to-del-val-aggies/

ronk - They have another 5/6 impact newcomers along with the entire roster back from last year. It could be a special year in Doylestown................along with the wrestling program ranked 4th in the country!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Joe Vasile on November 17, 2014, 09:38:31 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 02, 2014, 08:49:45 PM
Quote from: ronk on November 01, 2014, 10:56:53 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 20, 2014, 01:55:02 PM
I'm really looking forward to watching the Delaware Valley Aggies this year. Everybody is returning from last year and Coach Stitzel hit the mother load with several immediate, high impact players!!

Can't start soon enough :)

Here's a link about Del Val's 6-9 D1 transfer:
http://cityofbasketballlove.com/2014/10/ochenje-brings-d-i-talent-to-del-val-aggies/

ronk - They have another 5/6 impact newcomers along with the entire roster back from last year. It could be a special year in Doylestown................along with the wrestling program ranked 4th in the country!!

Tough start for the Aggies down in Virginia Beach.  Anyone watch to know what was going on?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 24, 2014, 09:14:07 AM
Quote from: Joe Vasile on November 17, 2014, 09:38:31 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 02, 2014, 08:49:45 PM
Quote from: ronk on November 01, 2014, 10:56:53 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 20, 2014, 01:55:02 PM
I'm really looking forward to watching the Delaware Valley Aggies this year. Everybody is returning from last year and Coach Stitzel hit the mother load with several immediate, high impact players!!

Can't start soon enough :)

Here's a link about Del Val's 6-9 D1 transfer:
http://cityofbasketballlove.com/2014/10/ochenje-brings-d-i-talent-to-del-val-aggies/

ronk - They have another 5/6 impact newcomers along with the entire roster back from last year. It could be a special year in Doylestown................along with the wrestling program ranked 4th in the country!!

Tough start for the Aggies down in Virginia Beach.  Anyone watch to know what was going on?

Joe - Similar to the football playing DIII's in Wisconsin and Ohio, there really aren't many DII schools down in Virginia so you are either a DI player or in many cases you play DIII. Many of the better players on Virginia Wesleyan and Apprentice School would play DII in PA (think schools like West Chester, Bloomsburg, East Stroudsburg, IUP, etc.) or maybe even DI-AA (think Lehigh, Lafayette, Rider, Bucknell, etc.) if they are excellent students.

TCNJ had a player beat DelVal up inside. I've seen DelVal's transfer from Pepperdine in person twice now and he is a shell of his former self.......dealing with ACL surgery and a bad back. They should win the MAC but without his full health, will be one and done in the NCAA Playoffs.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on November 30, 2014, 05:01:41 PM
I watched the second half of DeSales/Catholic online and wasn't too surprised to find that DSU should be very good again. The Bulldogs repelled Catholic's rally and won at home, 80-75.

Coval does an excellent job recruiting players who fit within his system and blending players of certain types together -- athletic guards who can create their own shot, shooters who rotate around the perimeter waiting for an open look, low post players who are solid if not spectacular. Add in one player with a special set of talents, which appears to be Deal. He's a big body who can score, shoot and pass.

Michael Guldin only scored 1 point and apparently was hurt in the second half, but Slanger (8 points) and Burton (20 points) filled that same role. DSU had a little trouble against the CUA press. Maybe that's where they missed Guldin.

All in all, that's a really good DeSales team.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Joe Vasile on December 01, 2014, 09:28:07 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 24, 2014, 09:14:07 AM
TCNJ had a player beat DelVal up inside. I've seen DelVal's transfer from Pepperdine in person twice now and he is a shell of his former self.......dealing with ACL surgery and a bad back. They should win the MAC but without his full health, will be one and done in the NCAA Playoffs.

I remember doing TCNJ games as a student last year and getting the feeling that this could be a good year for the Lions.  Bobby Brackett (the player I assume you're talking about) was 4th in the NCAA in rebounds last year, and their starting nucleus was largely freshman and sophomores last year.  Gotta say that I didn't expect them to top Del Val quite yet though.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: guyman on December 08, 2014, 09:50:58 AM
Went to Kings @ FDU. The first 10 minutes was honestly the ugliest basketball I have ever seen at the HS level and up. It got better, but the amount of fouls in the game was nuts. Kings was shooting horribly in the 1st half, thankfully (from my perspective) they started driving to the basket. FDU went to a press in the 2nd half which was a good move - they almost came back.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 08, 2015, 05:30:37 PM
Gordon Mann had a tremendous call of an even more tremendous play in the last two seconds of the DelVal/DeSales game yesterday afternoon.  Please check it out on the Aggie website.  Thank You Gordon - I can't stop watching it!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: AppletonRocks on February 08, 2015, 09:18:35 PM
Why does Gwen Stefani do that all the time? 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 09, 2015, 08:58:59 AM
And, "Appleton Rocks", what does that have to do with ANYTHING?  >:(
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on February 09, 2015, 04:21:22 PM
Thanks, Kate.

It was a once-in-a-lifetime shot from Chris, but an outstanding game from both teams.  Cleanly played, tightly contested, both teams executing.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 26, 2015, 09:12:33 AM
Fantastic game last night at Aggieland - huge crowd, loud and proud, and best of all an Aggie win in the semi-final game - Del Val 83/DeSales 67!  Now, it's up to the mountains on Saturday afternoon to take care of business at Misericordia!  Go Aggies!!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 28, 2015, 03:54:16 PM
Congratulations to the Misericordia Cougars - please represent the MAC Freedom well!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 01, 2015, 08:10:24 AM
Congrats Lefty! Hope you are well Kate!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on March 01, 2015, 10:18:21 AM
Thank you NEPA fan, and you as well!  Basketball is keeping us young, and though to a lesser degree, mobile :)!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ronk on March 01, 2015, 10:53:43 AM
Quote from: kate on March 01, 2015, 10:18:21 AM
Thank you NEPA fan, and you as well!  Basketball is keeping us young, and though to a lesser degree, mobile :)!

Yes, Kate, it was only 4 seasons ago that we met at the Gwynedd-Mercy tipoff tourney and Brenda Coll was playing her 1st collegiate game. Time is flying!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on September 02, 2015, 01:11:14 PM
I saw there was a change in coaching at Eastern. Is that official or is that a legit "Interim" tag. Meaning, will that open up next year?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 02, 2015, 01:16:27 PM
I know when I looked into it... there was confusion. The new coach told a contact of mine he was the new head coach... but obviously it is listed as interim.

I will say this... it is probably interim until they have a more formal process. Usually they have to either open the job or have the job review be good enough to remove the tag. Not many schools can just hire without due process of some kind. I would suspect this is interim with the choice to open it or make it official at the end of the year as almost all schools do with coaching changes this late in the year.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on September 02, 2015, 03:15:30 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 02, 2015, 01:16:27 PM
I know when I looked into it... there was confusion. The new coach told a contact of mine he was the new head coach... but obviously it is listed as interim.

I will say this... it is probably interim until they have a more formal process. Usually they have to either open the job or have the job review be good enough to remove the tag. Not many schools can just hire without due process of some kind. I would suspect this is interim with the choice to open it or make it official at the end of the year as almost all schools do with coaching changes this late in the year.

They had one senior last year, Parenti, a nice player. Basically if the new HC can show improvement from 10-16 (last year) the job is probably his. If they take a step back say 7-18, they may legitimately open it up.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on November 17, 2015, 10:40:12 AM
Well, FDU started the year out on the short end of the stick....but then again, we were playing the DI campus last night.  We've got a couple of nice young players, and hope to improve upon last year's record!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 24, 2015, 12:01:31 PM
I got a chance to sit down with DeSales coach Scott Coval at the Hoopsville National Invitational Classic this past weekend. Check out his interview and the rest of the Hoopsville Coach's Corner (which substituted for this Sunday's show) here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/coachs-corner (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/coachs-corner)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on December 03, 2015, 12:11:40 PM
After some close non-conference losses, FDU started off conference play with a thrilling last second win over Misericordia...great job guys!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on December 09, 2015, 07:48:11 PM
Great to be hearing Gordon Mann's call of the Aggie/Widener game tonight!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on December 10, 2015, 11:37:28 AM
Good to be heard. :)

Del Val has an exciting team with a nice blend of senior leadership from Moran and young guys. Nice environment too. The students were into it.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on December 25, 2015, 08:18:55 PM
Sure hope that everyone had a great Christmas, and that 2016 is loaded with Aggie wins!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on December 27, 2015, 05:33:21 PM
First, Good luck to all MAC Teams playing in tournaments this week between Christmas and New Years' - next, on Sunday, January 3, Delaware Valley University will play Swarthmore, who as I type this are 9/0.  Del Val is currently 9/1.  It's a double header at DVU, with the women playing Dickinson at 3.  Should be great games!  Hope to see everyone there!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 28, 2015, 08:08:34 AM
Looking forward to see what the Garnet can do.  So far, they haven't played anyone of note.  Opponents overall record 26-47.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 28, 2015, 08:40:52 AM
Swarthmore-Del. Val could be interesting.  Del. Val. opponents' overall records are 33-60.  Not much different than Swarthmore's.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on December 31, 2015, 08:31:34 AM
Congratulations to DVU and Lehigh Valley's own Chris Moran who hit the big 1,000 last night pouring in a total of 30 points in Del Val's win over Pine Manor College in a tournament in Hartford, Conn.  Good luck today Men in the Championship game!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on December 31, 2015, 05:47:00 PM
O.K., Aggie Men, so you lost in today's Championship game to Trinity of Connecticut - Congratulations to them, and know that it really helped prepare you for League play starting January 13th!!!  Good luck with Swarthmore Sunday afternoon!  We're heading down to Doylestown for the doubleheader!  Really can't wait to see you play!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on January 04, 2016, 07:47:38 AM
De Val's game yesterday against Swarthmore didn't disappoint!  Understandably, the Garnet, being undefeated fought well, especially in the second half, but the Aggies prevailed, 70/65.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 04, 2016, 09:04:07 AM
Not surprised at all that Swarthmore lost. They could easily lose 5 of their next 6 games.  That stretch of games will indicate if they are a new, improved team or the same old team.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on January 17, 2016, 05:27:33 PM
O.K., the Del Val men lost a close one yesterday, 60/57, but Saturday's matchup with rival DeSales is shaping up to be a gigantic game for possession of first place in the MAC!  Sure hope the weather cooperates, and that James Work is jumping for both Women's and Men's outings - Go AGGIES!!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 17, 2016, 10:18:01 PM
Swarthmore has lost 2 more since their DV loss, and held on to beat McDaniel as McDaniel missed 2 threes at the end the game.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on January 18, 2016, 06:51:44 PM
Del Val has to win at FDU-Florham on Wednesday night first. The DeSales game is juicier if first place is on the line, and not a potential three-game losing streak.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on January 20, 2016, 10:12:05 PM
Del Val won tonight at FDU - now the stage is set for a battle for first place on Saturday afternoon with DeSales.  The BullDogs won tonight by a point over Wilkes.  Three p.m. - now, we just need the weather to cooperate!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on January 21, 2016, 02:15:49 PM
Misericordia at Eastern moved up to Friday evening...  8:00 start time.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on January 21, 2016, 02:53:04 PM
Same for Del Val/DeSales, though the games start at 5 pm and 7 pm.

That's a bummer for me. I was looking forward to the games, but I'm not sure if it's worth the risk to drive in the snow. If the storm arrives just a little earlier than expected -- like an hour or two -- the roads will be a mess when the game ends.

Shouldn't be a problem for DeSales since they have such a short trip and aren't headed south.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 21, 2016, 02:59:07 PM
Delaware Valley is the lead item in this week's Around the Nation:
http://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-nation/2015-16/new-heights-in-the-valley
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on January 22, 2016, 10:01:14 AM
Thank you Rob Knox for an excellent article on the Delaware Valley University Men's Basketball Team!  Good luck today with the DeSales game starting at 7, AND, good luck to the Lady Aggies in their game as well.  That game starts at 5!, also with DeSales.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on January 22, 2016, 01:13:16 PM
Hi Gordon!  Just saw your post, and "bummer" is putting it mildly!!!  Was really, really looking forward to everybody being at James Work on Saturday, but it's better to be safe on Friday!  It's just that we won't be there!!!  :(
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on January 31, 2016, 10:29:04 AM
Fantastic come from behind win yesterday for our Aggies!  Very good to hear Gordon Mann's call of the game, both games actually, though we were there for that first win.  What did you think, Gordon?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 31, 2016, 04:36:03 PM
There are just four weeks left in the regular season and teams are feeling the pressure to take care of business. Sunday night on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave McHugh talks to many coaches in the conference playoff mix. Whether they are trying to position themselves to stay at home for the tournament or just get into the playoffs, there is a lot on the line with less games to play.

You can watch Hoopsville starting at 7:00 PM ET here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/jan31

Tonight's guests include (in order):
- Brad Fischer, No. 11 UW-Oshkosh women's coach
- Casey Stitzel, Delaware Valley men's coach
- Mary Beth Spirk, Moravian women's coach (WBCA Center Court)
- Drew Gaeng, Hendrix women's coach
- Joe Reilly, No. 25 Wesleyan men's coach

You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville
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Don't forget you can always interact with us:
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Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 01, 2016, 02:40:36 PM
Misericordia has removed the 'interim' from Willie Chandler's title.

http://athletics.misericordia.edu/news/2016/2/1/MBB_0201162858.aspx
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2016, 04:35:04 PM
For the third consecutive year, Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) will air for 12 hours as the regular season enters the final four weeks. Dave McHugh will chat with coaches, administrators, student-athletes, and others involved in Division III basketball from around the country. Other guests will include those who have Division III roots or appreciate the division and the game along with the student-athletes who play the sport.

Hoopsville will air from 10 a.m. to 10 p.m. (and maybe later) on Thursday, February 4 live from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can see what guests are scheduled, get more information, and watch the show here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/feb4

You can also read the press release about the show: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/hoopsville-marathon-2016

Here is the guest list as we speak. All times are Eastern and subject to change. Additional guests to be added if and when necessary:


   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
TimeGuestSchool
10:15amConnie TilleySt. Norbert (WBB) - WBCA Center Court
10:40amJamie PurdyPeidmont (WBB)
11:00amKeri CarolloUW-Whitewater (WBB) - Nat'l Committee Chair
11:20amBrent PollariSaint Mary's (Minn.) (WBB)
11:40amKent MadsenNo. 21 Wheaton (Ill.) (WBB)
12:00pmRussell LoydRose-Hulman (MBB)
12:20pmKevin BroderickNazareth (MBB)
12:40pmJustin ScottArcadia (MBB)
1:00pmSam HargravesNo. 12 Alma (MBB)
1:20pmLenny ReichMount Union (SID)
1:40pmMaureen WebsterClarkson (WBB)
2:00pmBetsy WitmanYork (Pa.) (WBB)
2:20pmSara LeeDenison (WBB)
2:40pmKlay KneuppelWisconsin Lutheran (MBB)
3:00pmBrian Van HaaftenBuena Vista (MBB) - Nat'l Committee Chair
3:30pmSydney MossNo. 1 Thomas More (WBB)
3:45pmAaron RousellBucknell (WBB) - former Chicago coach
4:00pmTim ShanahanStaten Island (WBB)
4:20Pat CunninghamTrinity (Texas) (MBB) - NABC Coach's Corner
4:50pmBubba SmithSewanee (MBB)
5:15pmBen StrongFormer Guilford All-American
5:30pmKevin ConnorsESPN SportsCenter Anchor - Ithaca alumnus
6:00pmKristen DowlingClaremont-Mudd-Scripps (WBB)
6:20pmAllison ColemanSage (WBB)
6:40pmLandry KosmalskiSwarthmore (MBB)
7:00pmDave NilandNo. 23 Penn State-Behrend (MBB)
7:20pmAaron GallettaLasell (MBB)
7:40pmJohn BaronGwynedd-Mercy (MBB)
8:00pm
8:20pm
8:40pmMelissa HodgdonWheaton (Mass.) (WBB)
9:00pmG.P. GromackiNo. 2 Amherst (WBB)
9:20pmJames Wagner
9:40pmHAPPY HOURFree-for-all of calls, tweets, and fun!

We hope to get at least the full show on a podcast, or several podcast, during the on Friday. You can find it here:
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Don't forget you can always interact with us:
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Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 10, 2016, 01:55:04 PM
Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2016/02/10/first-2016-regional-rankings-released-today/
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 17, 2016, 10:34:39 PM
Is there a tiebreaker expert in the house?

With Kings beating Delaware Valley, DeSales has clinched the regular season title.
The Aggies and Misericordia have clinched a playoff spot. - (btw congrats to former Miseri Head Coach Trevor Woodruff on his 21-0 record with the Scranton Pa. woman's squad---- Wille doing great job in his first year as well as they have not missed a beat and may be the hottest team in the Freedom)
AS to the final week's games :

Wilkes wins and they claim the 4th spot.

Should Wilkes lose to Kings, they are tied.
A Manhattanville win makes it a 3 way tie.

In the 3 way tie scenario, they would all be 2-2 against each other. (every series would be split 1-1).
I think you then revert to record against the conference champ with the nod going to Manhattanville.

In the two way tie, Wilkes and Kings split regular season, both 0-2 against DeSales and 1-1 versus D-Valley. Wilkes 1-1 versus Misericordia while Kings would be 0-2.

If that is the tiebreaker scenario, then Kings is effectively eliminated. That is a big IF.

Sir James

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 17, 2016, 11:37:10 PM
Sir James.

Here you go (all unconfirmed but should be correct).

1 - DeSales (10 wins)
2/3 - Del. Val. or Miseri. (both have 8 wins)...a Miseri win on Saturday does give them the tiebreaker because they swept DeSales.  Then DelVal would be 3.  DelVal would be 3 if Miseri wins regardless of a W/L to FDU because in a 3-way tie with Wilkes...Miseri would be 2 (again sweep of DeSales) and DelVal would be 3 over Wilkes because of 1-1 record vs. DeSales.  Wilkes is 0-2.
4 - Wilkes with a W. If MVille and Wilkes are tied at 7-7 MVille gets the 4 spot because they would have swept Miseri and Wilkes split.  Both were 0-2 vs. DeSales so it would move to Miseri.

As for King's...there could be a 3-way tie at 7-7 for last spot.  In that scenario all are 1-1 vs. each other and all 0-2 vs. DeSales.  MVille 2-0 vs. Miseri and would get the fourth spot.  So it does appear King's is eliminated.

Hope that makes sense...feel free to point out any mistakes.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: naismith on February 18, 2016, 06:44:53 PM
Thanks for the reply.

That is what I thought watching Kings/Aggie last night.



Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2016, 02:18:16 PM
Final public regional rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2016/02/24/third-ncaa-regional-ranking/
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 24, 2016, 11:05:12 PM
Lol... I guess it's off to Doylestown.

The "Curse of Greg Riley" is back!

(Meanwhile, hey, how have you all been... and Scranton still sucks.)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ronk on February 24, 2016, 11:10:40 PM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on February 24, 2016, 11:05:12 PM
Lol... I guess it's off to Doylestown.

The "Curse of Greg Riley" is back!

(Meanwhile, hey, how have you all been... and Scranton still sucks.)

Welcome back, Colonel and keep winning - you're boosting Scranton's RPI. ::)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2016, 12:42:16 AM
If only we used RPIs. LOL
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 25, 2016, 07:57:13 AM
CJ, It's great to see you on here!!!  At this moment, we're heading down Saturday afternoon.  Your guys played an inspired game last night!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on February 25, 2016, 01:04:48 PM
CJ4L:

I thought of you when I wrote the front page story last night. Throwback Thursday!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 26, 2016, 09:57:01 PM
Gordon!  I missed the story - what was it about?

Kate! Sad to say I can't make the title game tomorrow.  Though it's worth noting, since I enrolled, Wilkes is 2-0 in MAC/MAC-F title games I've missed, and 0-3 in MAC-F title games I've attended. 

Ronk!  Good to hear from you - and how about your Lady Royals this season?  (I know, I know, wrong thread...)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 28, 2016, 09:38:31 AM
CJ, Wilkes gave it their all yesterday afternoon, and then some.  We were in that crowd of over 1,000 when you guys went ahead by ten in the first half.  Del Val came within two at the half, but starting trailing early in the second.  That's when the crowd & Chris Moran & Team took over.  As I'm sure you know by now, it wasn't truly settled until that final buzzer.  Most definitely what college basketball is all about! 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on March 04, 2016, 10:18:38 AM
Tonight at 5 we'll be glued to that computer!  Good Luck Aggies!!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2016, 11:11:53 AM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on February 26, 2016, 09:57:01 PM
Gordon!  I missed the story - what was it about?

Kate! Sad to say I can't make the title game tomorrow.  Though it's worth noting, since I enrolled, Wilkes is 2-0 in MAC/MAC-F title games I've missed, and 0-3 in MAC-F title games I've attended. 

Ronk!  Good to hear from you - and how about your Lady Royals this season?  (I know, I know, wrong thread...)

Among many things, it was about Wilkes advancing. :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on March 04, 2016, 07:21:51 PM
Hey Aggies - you took Oswego to overtime, but it was a tough loss.  Huge congratulations on a great season!!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: pg04 on March 04, 2016, 07:27:09 PM
Quote from: kate on March 04, 2016, 07:21:51 PM
Hey Aggies - you took Oswego to overtime, but it was a tough loss.  Huge congratulations on a great season!!!

What a game it was... Lots of runs for both teams. If anything was the cause of the Aggies' downfall (except for the two that sent it to OT) it was missed free throws. A lot of them throughout the game. Oswego's sharpshooter Sortino is difficult to stop, as I know being a fan of another SUNYAC team :)

Definitely nothing to be ashamed of here.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on May 18, 2016, 02:34:53 PM
Delaware Valley University will definitely miss Coach Casey Stitzel who resigned today to take the head coaching job at Millersville University.  Best luck and good wishes Coach!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on May 20, 2016, 12:22:21 PM
I am thinking Delval U will hire a current D3 HC or D3 Assistant. While they win, it's not a school that can/will financially attract someone. My guess is someone from the Mid Atlantic region.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on June 27, 2016, 01:41:01 PM
Del Val's 2016/17 schedule is up!!!  Thank you Matt Levy!!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on July 10, 2016, 10:50:36 AM
A coach from a different conference but same region (CSAC) said the finalist are the following at Del Val:

Bob Hughes HC ROSEMONT College (CSAC Atlantic Region)
Tim Fusina HC Centenary College (CSAC Atlantic Region)
Nick Nichay AC Franklin and Marshall College (Centennial MA Region)
An assistant coach from the MAC Commonwealth- (MACC Mid Atlantic Region) No clue who
5th and unknown candidate- Dark Horse being kept tight- could be from out of the area or could be the DV assistant coach.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on July 10, 2016, 08:06:16 PM
Hoopster, the MAC Commonwealth connection might be Messiah's AC... he has been in the running for a few jobs this year and in years past.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on July 10, 2016, 08:23:57 PM
Thanks Dave. I looked on the Messiah site and he makes sense. 5yrs at Messiah and another 3 at D3 level. Hard for assistants to compete against head coaches. Although he is from Philadelphia and is on the other side of the MAC.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on July 12, 2016, 12:53:58 PM
He will break through eventually. Been a finalist a number of times the last few off-seasons.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on July 12, 2016, 05:44:41 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on July 10, 2016, 08:06:16 PM
Hoopster, the MAC Commonwealth connection might be Messiah's AC... he has been in the running for a few jobs this year and in years past.

CC - Did you get any word on when they would like to fill the job? It's going to be a rough Year One for anybody given the players they lost (especially Moran and Sly) and the fact that they will have zero freshmen or transfers coming in. Whoever gets the job needs to be able to recruit like crazy. Casey is a very good coach but an even better recruiter.

Gordon Mann, have you heard anything about a timetable to fill the role? He's going to have one heck of a time with putting together a staff unless he retains a few coaches from the previous staff. None of them appear on the Millersville website as assistant coaches.

I don't think the dark horse is a DVU assistant. I've heard through the rumor mongers that it could be a stunning name. Former bigtime coach somewhere who is on the backend of his career, not looking to move up the ladder, loves the area (Doylestown/Bucks County is a wonderful area) and has plenty of money already. I have no clue whatsoever. He may wind up on the staff if it's true and he doesn't get the job. We'll see.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on July 13, 2016, 06:36:35 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on July 12, 2016, 05:44:41 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on July 10, 2016, 08:06:16 PM
Hoopster, the MAC Commonwealth connection might be Messiah's AC... he has been in the running for a few jobs this year and in years past.

CC - Did you get any word on when they would like to fill the job? It's going to be a rough Year One for anybody given the players they lost (especially Moran and Sly) and the fact that they will have zero freshmen or transfers coming in. Whoever gets the job needs to be able to recruit like crazy. Casey is a very good coach but an even better recruiter.

Gordon Mann, have you heard anything about a timetable to fill the role? He's going to have one heck of a time with putting together a staff unless he retains a few coaches from the previous staff. None of them appear on the Millersville website as assistant coaches.

I don't think the dark horse is a DVU assistant. I've heard through the rumor mongers that it could be a stunning name. Former bigtime coach somewhere who is on the backend of his career, not looking to move up the ladder, loves the area (Doylestown/Bucks County is a wonderful area) and has plenty of money already. I have no clue whatsoever. He may wind up on the staff if it's true and he doesn't get the job. We'll see.

From what I have heard the coach is selected and has accepted. Others have been notified. I have two names so one is not right. Also the incoming class is still all on board and going to DVU. Coaching changes do not result in empty recruiting classes at the D3 level. Also there were no big names involved. It was who was mentioned above, another D3 HC and the assistant was indeed Mark Seidenburg (Spelling) the Messiah assistant coach who is from Phiily and played at Cardinal Dougherty HS in the Philly Catholic League (see bio and google search name+philadephia basketball).

Is it 10/15?!!

I don't know about an announcement.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on July 13, 2016, 07:43:31 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on July 13, 2016, 06:36:35 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on July 12, 2016, 05:44:41 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on July 10, 2016, 08:06:16 PM
Hoopster, the MAC Commonwealth connection might be Messiah's AC... he has been in the running for a few jobs this year and in years past.

CC - Did you get any word on when they would like to fill the job? It's going to be a rough Year One for anybody given the players they lost (especially Moran and Sly) and the fact that they will have zero freshmen or transfers coming in. Whoever gets the job needs to be able to recruit like crazy. Casey is a very good coach but an even better recruiter.

Gordon Mann, have you heard anything about a timetable to fill the role? He's going to have one heck of a time with putting together a staff unless he retains a few coaches from the previous staff. None of them appear on the Millersville website as assistant coaches.

I don't think the dark horse is a DVU assistant. I've heard through the rumor mongers that it could be a stunning name. Former bigtime coach somewhere who is on the backend of his career, not looking to move up the ladder, loves the area (Doylestown/Bucks County is a wonderful area) and has plenty of money already. I have no clue whatsoever. He may wind up on the staff if it's true and he doesn't get the job. We'll see.

From what I have heard the coach is selected and has accepted. Others have been notified. I have two names so one is not right. Also the incoming class is still all on board and going to DVU. Coaching changes do not result in empty recruiting classes at the D3 level. Also there were no big names involved. It was who was mentioned above, another D3 HC and the assistant was indeed Mark Seidenburg (Spelling) the Messiah assistant coach who is from Phiily and played at Cardinal Dougherty HS in the Philly Catholic League (see bio and google search name+philadephia basketball).

Is it 10/15?!!

I don't know about an announcement.

Will be interested to hear who it is. I heard that the dark horses were a former D1 coach currently coaching locally at the high school level and a former D1 assistant from the area who played at Penn State. I guess that was just the rumor mill humming. One of the former DVU assistants told a mutual contact (before Coach Casey resigned) that they had three studs with size coming in the Fall, including two transfers (one from D2 West Chester). The same former assistant said a few weeks ago that all three backed out. Maybe he doesn't know since he might not be involved on the new coaches staff and may not be aware of what the A.D. was able to do with the recruits. You sound like you have some great "inside scoop" so if in fact these three players are absolutely still coming, along with another player or two and the core five/six underclassmen (if they all return), all may not be lost for the 2016-17 season. Any coach is going to have a pretty high bar given Casey's record at DVU.

10/15 can't get here fast enough...............although I'm jonesing for the start of college and pro football prior to that!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on July 13, 2016, 10:27:09 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on July 13, 2016, 07:43:31 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on July 13, 2016, 06:36:35 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on July 12, 2016, 05:44:41 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on July 10, 2016, 08:06:16 PM
Hoopster, the MAC Commonwealth connection might be Messiah's AC... he has been in the running for a few jobs this year and in years past.

CC - Did you get any word on when they would like to fill the job? It's going to be a rough Year One for anybody given the players they lost (especially Moran and Sly) and the fact that they will have zero freshmen or transfers coming in. Whoever gets the job needs to be able to recruit like crazy. Casey is a very good coach but an even better recruiter.

Gordon Mann, have you heard anything about a timetable to fill the role? He's going to have one heck of a time with putting together a staff unless he retains a few coaches from the previous staff. None of them appear on the Millersville website as assistant coaches.

I don't think the dark horse is a DVU assistant. I've heard through the rumor mongers that it could be a stunning name. Former bigtime coach somewhere who is on the backend of his career, not looking to move up the ladder, loves the area (Doylestown/Bucks County is a wonderful area) and has plenty of money already. I have no clue whatsoever. He may wind up on the staff if it's true and he doesn't get the job. We'll see.

From what I have heard the coach is selected and has accepted. Others have been notified. I have two names so one is not right. Also the incoming class is still all on board and going to DVU. Coaching changes do not result in empty recruiting classes at the D3 level. Also there were no big names involved. It was who was mentioned above, another D3 HC and the assistant was indeed Mark Seidenburg (Spelling) the Messiah assistant coach who is from Phiily and played at Cardinal Dougherty HS in the Philly Catholic League (see bio and google search name+philadephia basketball).

Is it 10/15?!!

I don't know about an announcement.

Will be interested to hear who it is. I heard that the dark horses were a former D1 coach currently coaching locally at the high school level and a former D1 assistant from the area who played at Penn State. I guess that was just the rumor mill humming. One of the former DVU assistants told a mutual contact (before Coach Casey resigned) that they had three studs with size coming in the Fall, including two transfers (one from D2 West Chester). The same former assistant said a few weeks ago that all three backed out. Maybe he doesn't know since he might not be involved on the new coaches staff and may not be aware of what the A.D. was able to do with the recruits. You sound like you have some great "inside scoop" so if in fact these three players are absolutely still coming, along with another player or two and the core five/six underclassmen (if they all return), all may not be lost for the 2016-17 season. Any coach is going to have a pretty high bar given Casey's record at DVU.

10/15 can't get here fast enough...............although I'm jonesing for the start of college and pro football prior to that!!

To clarify I was only referring to high school recruits. I am not in any position to provide insight with regards to transfers. 3 with a possibility of 5 incoming (CSAC coach knew for sure of three recruits still going to Del Val but he said he thought Casey told him 5)  freshman still coming. I did just check the Del Val website and nothing posted anywhere. My apologies if I sound matter of fact without knowing you included transfers, my apologies!!

I think for a first year coach, if they get a home playoff game, it's a huge success. I think they are a playoff team either way.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on July 14, 2016, 08:47:50 AM
A home playoff game, great; a home playoff game against any Landmark team, priceless  ;). We had over a thousand people in James Work on February 27th for our playoff game with Wilkes and the atmosphere was electric!  Would so love to do it again!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on July 14, 2016, 11:45:12 AM
Quote from: CCHoopster on July 13, 2016, 10:27:09 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on July 13, 2016, 07:43:31 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on July 13, 2016, 06:36:35 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on July 12, 2016, 05:44:41 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on July 10, 2016, 08:06:16 PM
Hoopster, the MAC Commonwealth connection might be Messiah's AC... he has been in the running for a few jobs this year and in years past.

CC - Did you get any word on when they would like to fill the job? It's going to be a rough Year One for anybody given the players they lost (especially Moran and Sly) and the fact that they will have zero freshmen or transfers coming in. Whoever gets the job needs to be able to recruit like crazy. Casey is a very good coach but an even better recruiter.

Gordon Mann, have you heard anything about a timetable to fill the role? He's going to have one heck of a time with putting together a staff unless he retains a few coaches from the previous staff. None of them appear on the Millersville website as assistant coaches.

I don't think the dark horse is a DVU assistant. I've heard through the rumor mongers that it could be a stunning name. Former bigtime coach somewhere who is on the backend of his career, not looking to move up the ladder, loves the area (Doylestown/Bucks County is a wonderful area) and has plenty of money already. I have no clue whatsoever. He may wind up on the staff if it's true and he doesn't get the job. We'll see.

From what I have heard the coach is selected and has accepted. Others have been notified. I have two names so one is not right. Also the incoming class is still all on board and going to DVU. Coaching changes do not result in empty recruiting classes at the D3 level. Also there were no big names involved. It was who was mentioned above, another D3 HC and the assistant was indeed Mark Seidenburg (Spelling) the Messiah assistant coach who is from Phiily and played at Cardinal Dougherty HS in the Philly Catholic League (see bio and google search name+philadephia basketball).

Is it 10/15?!!

I don't know about an announcement.

Will be interested to hear who it is. I heard that the dark horses were a former D1 coach currently coaching locally at the high school level and a former D1 assistant from the area who played at Penn State. I guess that was just the rumor mill humming. One of the former DVU assistants told a mutual contact (before Coach Casey resigned) that they had three studs with size coming in the Fall, including two transfers (one from D2 West Chester). The same former assistant said a few weeks ago that all three backed out. Maybe he doesn't know since he might not be involved on the new coaches staff and may not be aware of what the A.D. was able to do with the recruits. You sound like you have some great "inside scoop" so if in fact these three players are absolutely still coming, along with another player or two and the core five/six underclassmen (if they all return), all may not be lost for the 2016-17 season. Any coach is going to have a pretty high bar given Casey's record at DVU.

10/15 can't get here fast enough...............although I'm jonesing for the start of college and pro football prior to that!!

To clarify I was only referring to high school recruits. I am not in any position to provide insight with regards to transfers. 3 with a possibility of 5 incoming (CSAC coach knew for sure of three recruits still going to Del Val but he said he thought Casey told him 5)  freshman still coming. I did just check the Del Val website and nothing posted anywhere. My apologies if I sound matter of fact without knowing you included transfers, my apologies!!

I think for a first year coach, if they get a home playoff game, it's a huge success. I think they are a playoff team either way.

No problem CC! I'd agree about the home playoff game if the three "studs" (whatever that means :) ) including two transfers were coming along with the 3-5 freshman (only a couple of the freshmen brought in last year turned out to be players so I'll hold my breath about these 3-5) and the returning "Core 5", but Casey knew how much he was losing in Moran, Sly and Brockington and went the size & transfer route as there wasn't enough with what was coming back and with the freshmen coming in.

A home playoff game means a one or two seed. If this new coach can get a home playoff game, it would be a minor miracle. DeSales loses one player (Deal) out of their top ten, has a killer recruiting class and won the regular season. Misericordia was the two seed and literally loses nobody. Wilkes was the four seed and loses just Stravinski........and their best players (other than Stravinski) last year were three freshmen and a soph. Eastern loses nobody and they were right on the cusp. Manhattanville was also on the cusp and only loses one player of importance. Even King's and FDU were as young as heck.

I personally think that if this new coach goes around .500, it would have to be considered a success and he's going to have to be a great recruiter from the jump as DVU's two best players in 2016-2017 will be seniors. With the high bar that Casey set, I don't think that any coach who feels as if he is not a great recruiter, with an excellent network of contacts (for the HS Seniors and possible transfers) would even show interest in a DVU. It's easier to fix a broken program (like Casey did) then it is to keep one at or near the top. I think the new coach will need to be a minor miracle worker. Just my opinion (and kind of what I've heard, at least for the next year or two).
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on July 14, 2016, 06:26:06 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on July 14, 2016, 11:45:12 AM
Quote from: CCHoopster on July 13, 2016, 10:27:09 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on July 13, 2016, 07:43:31 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on July 13, 2016, 06:36:35 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on July 12, 2016, 05:44:41 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on July 10, 2016, 08:06:16 PM
Hoopster, the MAC Commonwealth connection might be Messiah's AC... he has been in the running for a few jobs this year and in years past.

CC - Did you get any word on when they would like to fill the job? It's going to be a rough Year One for anybody given the players they lost (especially Moran and Sly) and the fact that they will have zero freshmen or transfers coming in. Whoever gets the job needs to be able to recruit like crazy. Casey is a very good coach but an even better recruiter.

Gordon Mann, have you heard anything about a timetable to fill the role? He's going to have one heck of a time with putting together a staff unless he retains a few coaches from the previous staff. None of them appear on the Millersville website as assistant coaches.

I don't think the dark horse is a DVU assistant. I've heard through the rumor mongers that it could be a stunning name. Former bigtime coach somewhere who is on the backend of his career, not looking to move up the ladder, loves the area (Doylestown/Bucks County is a wonderful area) and has plenty of money already. I have no clue whatsoever. He may wind up on the staff if it's true and he doesn't get the job. We'll see.

From what I have heard the coach is selected and has accepted. Others have been notified. I have two names so one is not right. Also the incoming class is still all on board and going to DVU. Coaching changes do not result in empty recruiting classes at the D3 level. Also there were no big names involved. It was who was mentioned above, another D3 HC and the assistant was indeed Mark Seidenburg (Spelling) the Messiah assistant coach who is from Phiily and played at Cardinal Dougherty HS in the Philly Catholic League (see bio and google search name+philadephia basketball).

Is it 10/15?!!

I don't know about an announcement.

Will be interested to hear who it is. I heard that the dark horses were a former D1 coach currently coaching locally at the high school level and a former D1 assistant from the area who played at Penn State. I guess that was just the rumor mill humming. One of the former DVU assistants told a mutual contact (before Coach Casey resigned) that they had three studs with size coming in the Fall, including two transfers (one from D2 West Chester). The same former assistant said a few weeks ago that all three backed out. Maybe he doesn't know since he might not be involved on the new coaches staff and may not be aware of what the A.D. was able to do with the recruits. You sound like you have some great "inside scoop" so if in fact these three players are absolutely still coming, along with another player or two and the core five/six underclassmen (if they all return), all may not be lost for the 2016-17 season. Any coach is going to have a pretty high bar given Casey's record at DVU.

10/15 can't get here fast enough...............although I'm jonesing for the start of college and pro football prior to that!!

To clarify I was only referring to high school recruits. I am not in any position to provide insight with regards to transfers. 3 with a possibility of 5 incoming (CSAC coach knew for sure of three recruits still going to Del Val but he said he thought Casey told him 5)  freshman still coming. I did just check the Del Val website and nothing posted anywhere. My apologies if I sound matter of fact without knowing you included transfers, my apologies!!

I think for a first year coach, if they get a home playoff game, it's a huge success. I think they are a playoff team either way.

No problem CC! I'd agree about the home playoff game if the three "studs" (whatever that means :) ) including two transfers were coming along with the 3-5 freshman (only a couple of the freshmen brought in last year turned out to be players so I'll hold my breath about these 3-5) and the returning "Core 5", but Casey knew how much he was losing in Moran, Sly and Brockington and went the size & transfer route as there wasn't enough with what was coming back and with the freshmen coming in.

A home playoff game means a one or two seed. If this new coach can get a home playoff game, it would be a minor miracle. DeSales loses one player (Deal) out of their top ten, has a killer recruiting class and won the regular season. Misericordia was the two seed and literally loses nobody. Wilkes was the four seed and loses just Stravinski........and their best players (other than Stravinski) last year were three freshmen and a soph. Eastern loses nobody and they were right on the cusp. Manhattanville was also on the cusp and only loses one player of importance. Even King's and FDU were as young as heck.

I personally think that if this new coach goes around .500, it would have to be considered a success and he's going to have to be a great recruiter from the jump as DVU's two best players in 2016-2017 will be seniors. With the high bar that Casey set, I don't think that any coach who feels as if he is not a great recruiter, with an excellent network of contacts (for the HS Seniors and possible transfers) would even show interest in a DVU. It's easier to fix a broken program (like Casey did) then it is to keep one at or near the top. I think the new coach will need to be a minor miracle worker. Just my opinion (and kind of what I've heard, at least for the next year or two).

Do we know who the coach is?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on July 15, 2016, 12:36:53 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on July 14, 2016, 06:26:06 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on July 14, 2016, 11:45:12 AM
Quote from: CCHoopster on July 13, 2016, 10:27:09 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on July 13, 2016, 07:43:31 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on July 13, 2016, 06:36:35 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on July 12, 2016, 05:44:41 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on July 10, 2016, 08:06:16 PM
Hoopster, the MAC Commonwealth connection might be Messiah's AC... he has been in the running for a few jobs this year and in years past.

CC - Did you get any word on when they would like to fill the job? It's going to be a rough Year One for anybody given the players they lost (especially Moran and Sly) and the fact that they will have zero freshmen or transfers coming in. Whoever gets the job needs to be able to recruit like crazy. Casey is a very good coach but an even better recruiter.

Gordon Mann, have you heard anything about a timetable to fill the role? He's going to have one heck of a time with putting together a staff unless he retains a few coaches from the previous staff. None of them appear on the Millersville website as assistant coaches.

I don't think the dark horse is a DVU assistant. I've heard through the rumor mongers that it could be a stunning name. Former bigtime coach somewhere who is on the backend of his career, not looking to move up the ladder, loves the area (Doylestown/Bucks County is a wonderful area) and has plenty of money already. I have no clue whatsoever. He may wind up on the staff if it's true and he doesn't get the job. We'll see.

From what I have heard the coach is selected and has accepted. Others have been notified. I have two names so one is not right. Also the incoming class is still all on board and going to DVU. Coaching changes do not result in empty recruiting classes at the D3 level. Also there were no big names involved. It was who was mentioned above, another D3 HC and the assistant was indeed Mark Seidenburg (Spelling) the Messiah assistant coach who is from Phiily and played at Cardinal Dougherty HS in the Philly Catholic League (see bio and google search name+philadephia basketball).

Is it 10/15?!!

I don't know about an announcement.

Will be interested to hear who it is. I heard that the dark horses were a former D1 coach currently coaching locally at the high school level and a former D1 assistant from the area who played at Penn State. I guess that was just the rumor mill humming. One of the former DVU assistants told a mutual contact (before Coach Casey resigned) that they had three studs with size coming in the Fall, including two transfers (one from D2 West Chester). The same former assistant said a few weeks ago that all three backed out. Maybe he doesn't know since he might not be involved on the new coaches staff and may not be aware of what the A.D. was able to do with the recruits. You sound like you have some great "inside scoop" so if in fact these three players are absolutely still coming, along with another player or two and the core five/six underclassmen (if they all return), all may not be lost for the 2016-17 season. Any coach is going to have a pretty high bar given Casey's record at DVU.

10/15 can't get here fast enough...............although I'm jonesing for the start of college and pro football prior to that!!

To clarify I was only referring to high school recruits. I am not in any position to provide insight with regards to transfers. 3 with a possibility of 5 incoming (CSAC coach knew for sure of three recruits still going to Del Val but he said he thought Casey told him 5)  freshman still coming. I did just check the Del Val website and nothing posted anywhere. My apologies if I sound matter of fact without knowing you included transfers, my apologies!!

I think for a first year coach, if they get a home playoff game, it's a huge success. I think they are a playoff team either way.

No problem CC! I'd agree about the home playoff game if the three "studs" (whatever that means :) ) including two transfers were coming along with the 3-5 freshman (only a couple of the freshmen brought in last year turned out to be players so I'll hold my breath about these 3-5) and the returning "Core 5", but Casey knew how much he was losing in Moran, Sly and Brockington and went the size & transfer route as there wasn't enough with what was coming back and with the freshmen coming in.

A home playoff game means a one or two seed. If this new coach can get a home playoff game, it would be a minor miracle. DeSales loses one player (Deal) out of their top ten, has a killer recruiting class and won the regular season. Misericordia was the two seed and literally loses nobody. Wilkes was the four seed and loses just Stravinski........and their best players (other than Stravinski) last year were three freshmen and a soph. Eastern loses nobody and they were right on the cusp. Manhattanville was also on the cusp and only loses one player of importance. Even King's and FDU were as young as heck.

I personally think that if this new coach goes around .500, it would have to be considered a success and he's going to have to be a great recruiter from the jump as DVU's two best players in 2016-2017 will be seniors. With the high bar that Casey set, I don't think that any coach who feels as if he is not a great recruiter, with an excellent network of contacts (for the HS Seniors and possible transfers) would even show interest in a DVU. It's easier to fix a broken program (like Casey did) then it is to keep one at or near the top. I think the new coach will need to be a minor miracle worker. Just my opinion (and kind of what I've heard, at least for the next year or two).

Do we know who the coach is?

Haven't heard a thing yet. If it's a done deal, they sure are taking their time getting an announcement out. If it is a HC, does his current school just promote an assistant on an interim basis given the date or do they actually conduct a search?

Quick question for you. Is the 'CC' for Cabrini College or Centennial Conference?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on July 15, 2016, 04:54:50 PM
QuoteIf it is a HC, does his current school just promote an assistant on an interim basis given the date or do they actually conduct a search?

Usually they do a search, but they may also appoint an interim coach so recruits and others have a clear point of contact, especially at this point in the year.

Del Val will announce the new head coach on Monday.


Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on July 15, 2016, 05:40:17 PM
Thank You Gordon!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on July 15, 2016, 06:09:14 PM
CC is for my initials ;)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on July 15, 2016, 09:42:07 PM
I am a new poster here in the MACF and posted just to try and help relay solid info regarding the DVU search. Nice to see activity in July!

I live in Lancaster, Pa so follow the central Pa Commonwealth and Centennial teams.

Albright
Vern
LVC
Messiah
FnM
Dickinson
Gettysburg
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on July 16, 2016, 11:11:11 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on July 15, 2016, 04:54:50 PM
QuoteIf it is a HC, does his current school just promote an assistant on an interim basis given the date or do they actually conduct a search?

Usually they do a search, but they may also appoint an interim coach so recruits and others have a clear point of contact, especially at this point in the year.

Del Val will announce the new head coach on Monday.

Thanks Gordon!! If the A.D. was able to keep all of the underclassmen on board despite Coach Stitzel's departure, in addition to retaining all of the incoming freshmen and transfers..........all might not be completely lost in 2016-2017, even with the top teams losing only one player (DeSales - Deal / Wilkes - Stravinski) or nobody of importance (Misericordia, Eastern, FDU). Give me a .500 record in a rebuilding year and a monster recruiting class starting with the 2017-2018 season and beyond. This coach is going to have to be a recruiting stud.....that's where Stitzel excelled!

I can tell that the schedule didn't have a "coaches imprint". Away games out the wazoo in the non-conference schedule........and Stitzel loved a "getaway tournament" or two each year (Virginia, New England, etc.) and those appear to be gone. It looks like the MAC decided to end the longstanding tradition of two MAC games before the semester break and they will now be finishing the season with 14 consecutive MAC games. It's kind of a shame as the gym will be quite empty for the first couple of weeks of MAC games as more will now be occurring prior to the students coming back from the holiday break. I can''t figure out who thought through this and thought it was a good idea :(

Gordon, you have to get with Matt Levy about his "missing" annual article announcing the 2016 Aggies Football Schedule. It's been an annual staple up until this year ;)  Also, why does Lycoming seem to be the only or one of the only MAC schools to put out a detailed Incoming Football Class (Freshman/Transfers) list each year (this year's came out on July 11)? It would be great to see something like that as the season approaches.

CC - Love Lancaster/Lancaster County. We go to shows at Sight & Sound, American Music Theater, Fulton and catch a few Barnstormers games each year. There is a killer mini golf course out that way (near Willow Valley) called Village Greens. Great area, a lot to do and see, family friendly!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on July 18, 2016, 05:01:07 PM
Hey JM thanks for the note. Lancaster is a charming place and as a long time D3 fan (player, coach, beat writter, now fan) it is incredible to have so many local schools to watch games at. I go to two games per week during the season every year with my wife for many years. We just love it so much. I'll be following along the MAC Freedom since the CWealth boards have no activity.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on July 18, 2016, 05:09:03 PM
I realize you guys have probably already heard about the hire today (official) for DVU... I meant to get on here when we broke the news on Twitter several days ago (before the weekend)... my apologies. Though, you can always keep track of twitter. We broke a few coaching decisions ahead of everyone else this off-season. @d3hoopsville (/shameless plug).
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on July 18, 2016, 05:29:44 PM
Could you reveal here? I do not have a Tweeter ;)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on July 18, 2016, 06:21:01 PM
http://athletics.delval.edu/news/2016/7/18/mark-seidenburg-named-new-head-mens-basketball-coach-at-delaware-valley-university.aspx
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on July 18, 2016, 06:26:14 PM
Quoteordon, you have to get with Matt Levy about his "missing" annual article announcing the 2016 Aggies Football Schedule. It's been an annual staple up until this year ;)  Also, why does Lycoming seem to be the only or one of the only MAC schools to put out a detailed Incoming Football Class (Freshman/Transfers) list each year (this year's came out on July 11)? It would be great to see something like that as the season approaches.

Back when I wrote the MAC preview for D3football's extensive Kickoff publication (http://www.d3football.com/notables/2016/07/get-kickoff-2016), I would call each of the coaches in the conference during July or August. One of my standard questions was about incoming freshmen and transfers. A lot of coaches would basically say, "I won't know whom I'm getting until they get here. And I won't know what I have until I watch them in camp." I think there's reluctance among a lot of coaches to talk extensively about prospective players until they arrive for training camp or the first day of classes.

As you noted, Lycoming is one of a few schools that always releases its class of incoming recruits. A couple other schools do that and post the release in the press release (http://www.d3football.com/seasons/2015/headlines) section on D3football.com. But most don't say much of anything about recruits.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on July 18, 2016, 06:26:41 PM
CC Hoopster:

I always assumed the CC stood for Centennial Conference. :)

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on July 18, 2016, 08:00:57 PM
Finaly I have been recognized as a Man of Mystery.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on July 18, 2016, 08:03:38 PM
Wow- DVU went with an assistant??! I am shocked, although nice to see assistants getting opportunities. If they go .500 give the man a raise! I figured one of the head coaches would get named. Good for the young man. Messiah, other than last year, has always been a very good, classy program.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on August 19, 2016, 09:44:31 PM
Any thoughts on how the conference will shake out? I have posted this on the Cwealth side and figured to jump over here too. I looked at returners not knowing incoming players:

1- DeSales (12-2)
2- Misericordia (9-5)
3- Wilkes (8-6)
4- Eastern (7-7)
-----------------
5- Del Val (6-8)
6- Kings (5-9)
7- MVille (5-9)
8- FDU Florham (2-12)

Feel free to laugh- not overly familiar with MACF
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on August 31, 2016, 12:51:15 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on August 19, 2016, 09:44:31 PM
Any thoughts on how the conference will shake out? I have posted this on the Cwealth side and figured to jump over here too. I looked at returners not knowing incoming players:

1- DeSales (12-2)
2- Misericordia (9-5)
3- Wilkes (8-6)
4- Eastern (7-7)
-----------------
5- Del Val (6-8)
6- Kings (5-9)
7- MVille (5-9)
8- FDU Florham (2-12)

Feel free to laugh- not overly familiar with MACF

I don't know about records but it looks about right to me. DeSales only loses Deal and should dominate and Misericordia loses nobody from the team with the second best record in the regular season. Wilkes loses Stravinski and Wizer but played a ton of very talented underclassmen. Eastern loses nobody and is big and athletic (and plays in a dump :) ). DelVal loses an incredibly successful coach (best in the MACF.......he beat out some great coaches for the Millersville job), the conference MVP, a four year starter at point guard, a two year starter at power foward and their best three point shooter. You may have them a bit high. Kings at MVille might jump them for this one year. FDU at the bottom unless they had a great recruting year although they do have a lot coming back.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on September 01, 2016, 12:27:02 PM
Yep, same thoughts here.

Eastern has great talent but hasn't been able to capitalize on it yet.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 02, 2016, 09:19:54 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 01, 2016, 12:27:02 PM
Yep, same thoughts here.

Eastern has great talent but hasn't been able to capitalize on it yet.

Eastern lost three or four very close games last year, including blowing a huge lead at DelVal. I think the new coach at DelVal needs a monster recruiting year or two to get back to the top after losing Moran, Sly and Brockington and losing Kimbrough and the big guy after this season. It won''t be anything like the pre-Casey years but it could be a dry year or two for the Aggies. I hear the new coach is a solid guy. He'll need to be, and more.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on September 02, 2016, 10:21:31 AM
Yep. Well said.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on September 12, 2016, 02:53:20 PM
 I would say the best way for DVU to keep their momentum is by getting transfers. A few transfers can keep them competitive (think Brockington, Kimbrough, big guy Williams). Did they get any transfers this year?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Hooper on September 14, 2016, 09:31:26 AM
The demonstrates the total difference in coaching philosophy and academic reputation amongst schools in the Freedom.   DeSales recruits players for a 4 year experience.  Always has and probably always will.  Not saying there is anything wrong with it, just saying there is a difference in how programs are run and the players they target within the conference.   
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 14, 2016, 01:44:35 PM
To be honest, transferring is becoming more and more common as tuition rates increase. Coaches are smart to utilize the transfer opportunity. Students save money playing at a junior college or somewhere a bit cheaper, but then finish their academics at a higher-ed institution and get the same degree. They save a lot of money that way. It is happening far more often than people realize and for many ways I can't blame them. Sure, a four year experience is great and many of us benefited from the opportunity. However, as tuitions continue to skyrocket and economics continue to plague ones ability to attend higher-ed four-year institutions for four (or more) years, using a smaller, cheaper school to get the ball rolling can be a win-win for a student.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on September 14, 2016, 02:17:24 PM
"Get the ball rolling"  :D, no pun intended, right, Dave?! ;). Good one and so true!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 14, 2016, 03:31:24 PM
Ha. Nope. Usually that is my forte - didn't even think that one through. LOL
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Hooper on September 14, 2016, 04:13:18 PM
Dave-

Very true.  Finances are one valid reason.   The other is that some non-qualifiers also need a place to grow and develop over time.  In the end, it doesn't matter how they get to where they get .  They get there and that is what's important.  A good education and a chance to continue to play. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 15, 2016, 09:17:55 PM
Quote from: Hooper on September 14, 2016, 09:31:26 AM
The demonstrates the total difference in coaching philosophy and academic reputation amongst schools in the Freedom.   DeSales recruits players for a 4 year experience.  Always has and probably always will.  Not saying there is anything wrong with it, just saying there is a difference in how programs are run and the players they target within the conference.

I know the DeSales program very well and I am close with one of the assistants. DeSales has had their share of transfers as well. They just had a D-II transfer come in this past season from Kutztown and a few years ago had a D-IAA transfer from Lehigh. The MAC is not the Centennial Conference and academic reputations really don't really vary much between schools. I happen to know a few players (would never list names here) who were very iffy applicants and would never have gotten into DeSales if not for hoops. It happens at all schools. Within this thread, either on this page or a page behind, I attached an article about the CPA Pass Rate amongst 79 schools in Pennsylvania. DelVal was 6th out of the 79.........above Carnegie Mellon, Pitt and Villanova. Lycoming, the only other MAC school on the top ten list, came in 3rd. Two MAC schools in the top six in the state.

http://www.delval.edu/news/delval-students-excel-on-the-cpa-exam

As I tell people all the time, a debit is a debit and a credit is a credit. The periodic table doesn't change for IVY League students vs. MAC students. War & Peace.......is War & Peace. Biology is Biology. I know MAC grads from many schools who are crushing it..........and I also know struggling Ivy League grads.

The transfer game takes place all across the MAC and most other conferences, much more so in football, and you are going to see much, much more of it as tuition continues to skyrocket and more students are choosing community colleges and JUCO's for the first two years (with all 60 credits transferring). Not all schools give out "superpackages" to a player or two each year, with their out-of-pocket costs coming out to $4,000-$5,000 a year. I know the parents of a few players who got these packages over the last couple of years at a few MAC schools. That is a much greater imbalance on the court than the transfer situation. ;)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on September 26, 2016, 01:28:32 PM
We have all the MAC Freedom men's and women's schedules entered. For a little while the team pages will default to last season. But you can look at next season's schedules by changing the year in the URL.

http://d3hoops.com/teams/FDU-Florham/Women/2016-17/index
http://d3hoops.com/teams/Delaware_Valley/Men/2016-17/index
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 28, 2016, 10:03:14 AM
Quote from: Hooper on September 14, 2016, 09:31:26 AM
The demonstrates the total difference in coaching philosophy and academic reputation amongst schools in the Freedom.   DeSales recruits players for a 4 year experience.  Always has and probably always will.  Not saying there is anything wrong with it, just saying there is a difference in how programs are run and the players they target within the conference.

Hooper, after throwing cold water on your post about "DeSales recruiting players for a 4 year experience" and giving a legit example about the false narrative regarding the "differing philosophies and academic reputations amongst schools in the Freedom" (i.e the CPA Exam Pass Rate)....................and never hearing back from you in six weeks as the facts crushed the designed bullsquat that you put in print, I have this DeSales nugget for you.

I was told that DeSales just brought in a basketball player with one year of eligibility remaining and that this is his FOURTH college!!!!! He averaged 20 points a game at Division II Shippensburg and is transferring from another Division II school (don't know the name), where he started.

This puts a death dagger in your September 14 post. Coval is no different than anybody else (per an insider) and DeSales is NOT Harvard. Please get that out of your head. I think that you are a current DeSales player just looking to stir up some crap and my comeback six weeks ago and this recent news have put your tail between your legs. ;)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Hooper on October 29, 2016, 10:50:10 AM
JM-

Thank you!  In all honesty, I don't know the academic travel habits of the player in question (but, he spent 2 years at Ship, so this is his 3rd "stop")?   Maybe he changed majors?  Maybe the Coach changed after his second Season?   Maybe he didn't like the social scene in rural Shippensburg?   Or to your point on JUCO transfers, maybe he spent the last 3 years saving up to attend DeSales U where his 90 credits will transfer? ;D ;D  Point is..  I have no clue on the Travel habits of Private Santiago..

I am sure Coach Silk can provide more info for you.   The kid went to Easton HS, so he is a local kid trying to get an education and play.   I have no problem with Coval providing an opportunity for a kid to play and get a Degree.   I have known him for 35 years and he has done a tremendous job at DeSales as a Coach (400+ wins) and AD.  His record speaks for itself and he has impacted hundreds of young men, the Campus and the community in a positive way.   I am not a player.  I didn't go to DeSales.  I realize it is not Harvard.   I apologize as I should not have made the statement on the Freedom.   My bad..  but I don't have to put my prehensile tail between my legs as we both lost that over 30 million years ago. 

Data is data.  Numbers can say anything you want them to say.   Your CPA Exam pass rate example (N=1) is just that.  An example of a great program, Professor at a particular Institution.   Kudos to them.   

In the end, none of this will matter as College will be FREE in 10 days.    I can't wait to not have a tuition bill next semester for my son.   ;D ;D

Dave-  great site, but I'm gonna stick to D3hoops from now on.   Good luck!





Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on October 29, 2016, 03:43:44 PM
PreSeason Coaches Poll In:

http://www.gomacsports.com/news/2016/10/27/MBB_1027161014.aspx (http://www.gomacsports.com/news/2016/10/27/MBB_1027161014.aspx)

For the short version:

2016-17 MAC Freedom Men's Basketball Preseason Poll

1     DeSales                    47                      (5)         
2     Misericordia            45                      (3)         
3     King's                    30            
4     Wilkes                    29            
5     Eastern                     28            
6     Delaware Valley    22            
7     Manhattanville    15            
8     FDU-Florham              8   


Swap Eastern and Kings and that would be my order as of today.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 29, 2016, 11:51:42 PM
Quote from: Hooper on October 29, 2016, 10:50:10 AM
JM-

Thank you!  In all honesty, I don't know the academic travel habits of the player in question (but, he spent 2 years at Ship, so this is his 3rd "stop")?   Maybe he changed majors?  Maybe the Coach changed after his second Season?   Maybe he didn't like the social scene in rural Shippensburg?   Or to your point on JUCO transfers, maybe he spent the last 3 years saving up to attend DeSales U where his 90 credits will transfer? ;D ;D  Point is..  I have no clue on the Travel habits of Private Santiago..

I am sure Coach Silk can provide more info for you.   The kid went to Easton HS, so he is a local kid trying to get an education and play.   I have no problem with Coval providing an opportunity for a kid to play and get a Degree.   I have known him for 35 years and he has done a tremendous job at DeSales as a Coach (400+ wins) and AD.  His record speaks for itself and he has impacted hundreds of young men, the Campus and the community in a positive way.   I am not a player.  I didn't go to DeSales.  I realize it is not Harvard.   I apologize as I should not have made the statement on the Freedom.   My bad..  but I don't have to put my prehensile tail between my legs as we both lost that over 30 million years ago. 

Data is data.  Numbers can say anything you want them to say.   Your CPA Exam pass rate example (N=1) is just that.  An example of a great program, Professor at a particular Institution.   Kudos to them.   

In the end, none of this will matter as College will be FREE in 10 days.    I can't wait to not have a tuition bill next semester for my son.   ;D ;D

Dave-  great site, but I'm gonna stick to D3hoops from now on.   Good luck!

Great references. Sorry to lose you from the board.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 30, 2016, 11:01:56 PM
Quote from: Hooper on October 29, 2016, 10:50:10 AM
JM-

Thank you!  In all honesty, I don't know the academic travel habits of the player in question (but, he spent 2 years at Ship, so this is his 3rd "stop")?   Maybe he changed majors?  Maybe the Coach changed after his second Season?   Maybe he didn't like the social scene in rural Shippensburg?   Or to your point on JUCO transfers, maybe he spent the last 3 years saving up to attend DeSales U where his 90 credits will transfer? ;D ;D  Point is..  I have no clue on the Travel habits of Private Santiago..

I am sure Coach Silk can provide more info for you.   The kid went to Easton HS, so he is a local kid trying to get an education and play.   I have no problem with Coval providing an opportunity for a kid to play and get a Degree.   I have known him for 35 years and he has done a tremendous job at DeSales as a Coach (400+ wins) and AD.  His record speaks for itself and he has impacted hundreds of young men, the Campus and the community in a positive way.   I am not a player.  I didn't go to DeSales.  I realize it is not Harvard.   I apologize as I should not have made the statement on the Freedom.   My bad..  but I don't have to put my prehensile tail between my legs as we both lost that over 30 million years ago. 

Data is data.  Numbers can say anything you want them to say.   Your CPA Exam pass rate example (N=1) is just that.  An example of a great program, Professor at a particular Institution.   Kudos to them.   

In the end, none of this will matter as College will be FREE in 10 days.    I can't wait to not have a tuition bill next semester for my son.   ;D ;D

Dave-  great site, but I'm gonna stick to D3hoops from now on.   Good luck!

Hooper - I went to Swarthmore for my undergrad............Wharton for my M.B.A.............and got a useless law degree from Dickinson (useless from the perspective of not using it :) ) I only came at you when you presented the false narrative of "differing academic philosophies amongst teams in the MAC". Data is in fact data. But in this case, you can't twist the numbers to create any story that you would like. When Lyco and DelVal have higher CPA pass rates than Carnegie Mellon, Pitt, Villanova, etc.........the numbers are what the numbers are.

I know Coach Coval very well (you were wrong on the Silk reference by the way) and I am much more tied in behind the scenes of the goings on of the MAC than many would believe. I have no problem "giving kids a chance", but when you came off with your "recruits for the four year experience" comment, I mentioned the kid who will play for one year (and take time from the players who have been part of the four year experience), a recent transfer from Kutztown, a former transfer from Bloomsburg and one from Lehigh.........and they all happened to be excellent players. No coach, including Coval, turns down that opportunity, even if he screws some players that have been with him for several years from a playing time perspective.

I could tell you a few things from two insiders that would make your skin crawl, but I would never go public with it.........and I'd like to stay on the site.

Best of luck to you my friend. God Bless.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on November 01, 2016, 02:38:01 PM
I am so enjoying the back and forth on here regarding the make-up of our MAC teams.  After 2006 when those 'like-minded' schools left the conference, implying that they were somehow superior ???, I re-examined our remaining teams and our new additions, and I am very happy with all of them, and love our diversity.  We all have our ups and downs in all our sports, but in general, we're almost always represented on the national stage - in a good way!  Long live the MAC!!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 01, 2016, 08:46:43 PM
kate-  you already know this, but it bears repeating: just because schools leave to create a conference of "like-minded" institutions, does not indicate they feel they are superior. Like-minded just means they have the same thoughts and opinions on many things like tuitions, discounts, budgets, etc. You can have like-minded institutions of all state schools (WIAC) or Ivy-League mentality (NESCAC).

Can we stop trying to either knock those who left or play the martyr card for those still in the MAC. Let's also remember the MAC has been a revolving door of a conference since the day it was founded. Yes, there are schools who have stayed, but those who have come and gone is a very long list which includes a large majority of the region.

In my opinion, the hurt-feelings bit has gotten old. It's been a decade after all.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on November 01, 2016, 10:02:46 PM
The one thing that any of our MAC schools will have to do is 'play the martyr card'!!!  Holy smokes Dave - I think we're in pretty darn good shape!!!  Besides, it makes for much better rivalries though I know today's students don't have a clue.  No martyrs here - just thrilled with our diversity!!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 01, 2016, 10:50:15 PM
Quote from: kate on November 01, 2016, 02:38:01 PM
After 2006 when those 'like-minded' schools left the conference, implying that they were somehow superior ??? ... Long live the MAC!!!

Those come across to me as martyr. And other comments about still hating the decision and not being able to let it go and bringing it up in conversation a decade later... that's why I say it.

It has nothing to do with how good or not good the conference is.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on November 02, 2016, 08:30:22 AM
Dave, you KNOW how much d3 sports mean to me, and I could always see new conferences springing up for sizes of schools and distances travelled, but 'like minded' for d3 sports???  That will always be a stretch for me.  Besides, let me have the fun of a rivalry even though the kiddos, like I said before, don't have a clue.  Go Aggies and Go MAC!!! ;)!!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 02, 2016, 01:03:58 PM
kate - like-minded in Division III is what a majority of the conferences have been constructed around for most of the conference's history! Heck, D1 is all about like-minded, except their like-mindedness is more about making money in bowl games and positioning themselves for basketball and baseball tournaments. D3 schools have more of the academic side of things. It really isn't that uncommon across the board. It is that no one pays attention to notice it.

Think of these conferences and realize what all the schools in those conferences have in common (in no particular order):

UAA
NESCAC
SUNYAC
WIAC
CCIW
ODAC
NJAC
NEWMAC
MIAC
NCAC
OAC
MIAA
SCIAC
SAA
Centennial
Liberty
E8
Landmark

... just to name 18 of the 43 off the top of my head with like-minded characteristics of some kind. (No, I didn't list a majority, just the ones off the top of my head; I'd be happy when I have more time on my hands to list all of them and their reasons for formation.)

To prove how this this like-mindedness works, I have two examples:

- St. Anselm is trying to join Division III. They announced the move and mentioned in their first press release how they were very similar to several NEWMAC institutions. That mention was not a mistake. They planned to join that conference. It was rubber stamped from everything I was told. It fell apart. I haven't heard why, but it has left St. A. in limbo. They are now staying with their D2 conference for the short-term as they figure it out. Why? Because no other conference in the Northeast either fits what they are as an institution. They aren't going to fit well into the CCC which is a step-down from the NEWMAC and most of the CCC probably doesn't want them as a result. The NESCAC doesn't want them because they feel St. A. doesn't live up to their bar.

- The Liberty League is in some trouble right now in football. They have got to find one more institution to bring in or they are going to lose their football AQ in about two-years time (a little more). They lost some schools due to some conference shifts in football and had to bring in Ithaca to at least get one of those losses back. That move to bring in Ithaca was very contentious. Ithaca doesn't fit completely well with the rest of the Liberty. There are some holding their nose at the decision because holding onto that AQ is too import. But the Liberty despite it's desperation, has said no to other options like Alfred or won't consider others like Utica because they are even further "below" their standards of like-minded institutions. The Liberty is actually setting themselves up to lose a very important AQ (because an at-large bid for that conference with no AQ is somewhere between slim and no chance) because they can't find institutions that fit their mentality.

And like-minded isn't an easy answer. Like-minded can be items like average tuition cost, average discounts given, average amount of financial aid, average size of campuses, academic admission standards, academic standards period, average budget for school and/or athletic department, average rankings for whatever that means.

I know you love Division III, but you seem to miss the fact that like-minded is a very, very common thing in the entire NCAA ... especially because presidents and board of trustees make the ultimate decisions. Goucher and Catholic left the CAC because they were tired of trying to recruit against fellow conference mates that were state schools and thus far cheaper and lower academic standards (I can get into an argument about why they still face those challenges, but that is another discussion).

I am sure you will say you get all of this... but I don't know if you do. Like minded is why the Ivy League exists. It is why the Big 12 exists. That's where the original Big East came together (all catholic schools!). The SEC is all like-minded institutions (with the exception of Vanderbuilt to some extent).

The MAC in all of it's make-up has never had a like-minded per a lot of what I discuss, but they are like-minded in their way as well. It just may be a little harder to notice.

So yeah... like minded in Division III is actually extremely common and rather predictable whether you want to believe it or not. It is basically what makes up Division III - a like-minded mentality of not offering academic scholarships and making academics a priority. Inside of that, there are plenty of subsets.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on November 02, 2016, 03:15:38 PM
Please know, Dave, that I appreciate very much your explanation.  I will re-read it to let it sink in.  I guess we're "lucky" here in the mid Atlantic region to have so very many D3 institutions making it easier to rev up a new league when things aren't going "just right".  I repeat this IS D3 sports we're talking about, and also, they DO mean a heck of a lot to me (especially Del Val).  I will re-read your explanation.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 03, 2016, 07:35:54 PM
Quote from: kate on November 02, 2016, 03:15:38 PM
Please know, Dave, that I appreciate very much your explanation.  I will re-read it to let it sink in.  I guess we're "lucky" here in the mid Atlantic region to have so very many D3 institutions making it easier to rev up a new league when things aren't going "just right".  I repeat this IS D3 sports we're talking about, and also, they DO mean a heck of a lot to me (especially Del Val).  I will re-read your explanation.

Kate, I only make commentary about "like minded" to refute points with facts. A DeSales poster came on here talking about the "standards" at DeSales (say what?) and how they only recruit four year players. I then brought up this year's player with one year left and this being his fourth school along with the very recent transfers of players (with a year or two left) from Kutztown, Bloomsburg and Lehigh........in addition to a handful of players who would have never gotten in without their D3 level hoops prowess. Point was made and could not be refuted.

Another genius talked up Scranton and the Landmark as if it was Harvard and the Ivy League. Again, say what?? When I brought up the fact (with the article attached) that Lycoming was #3 in the state of PA and DelVal was #6 in the state in terms of the CPA Exam pass rate. I think it opened up a few eyes. Two MAC schools, in the Top Six in PA, beating Carnegie-Mellon, Pitt and Villanova. When you come at people who throw slop against the wall.........I've learned that the presentation of facts quiets the majority of them.

Again........a debit is a debit. A credit is a credit. The periodic table of elements is the same at Bucks County Community College as it is everywhere else in the country. I've fired Ivy Leaguers. I've promoted men and women from Bucks CCC/Holy Family, Western Maryland (I still refer to the old names) and the old Trenton State. The guy who replaced my knee........DelVal grad. The vet who saved my dog........DelVal grad. The guy who taught me how to really trade commodities and futures.........Bloomsburg State. The young woman who got her B.S. and M.B.A. in four years and got a six figure accounting/consulting gig, and was one of the best basketball players in the MAC, east region and country.........Eirann Anastasia........from DelVal.

The "false narrative" is pervasive in higher education. People need to get over it as more and more families are choosing two years at community colleges, which are bursting at the seams to keep up with applications, construction, hiring, facility retrofitting...............as well as the state schools like Bloomsburg, West Chester, East Stroudsburg, Kutztown, etc.

If at an "elite" private school, the kid sitting in front of you and behind you did better in high school (and in many cases had some "life advantages") than the kid sitting behind and in front of you at a PA state school. But the textbooks are the same in both schools. You'll learn from someone in many cases with real world experience..........not a TA as the prof is "publishing or perishing" and you'll enjoy opportunities to succeed based on your work ethic and desire........not the name on a piece of paper, which means less and less as every year goes by.

And this, from a grad of a snobby, elitist school (Swarthmore) with an M.B.A. and a law degree. I see the "false narrative" every day and if I can find the publisher to back me, I'll write the book someday with hundreds of examples. I think it's very needed, especially with some. The entitled. Hey........I think that I just stumbled across a title. Now, for the subtitle!! ;)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on November 06, 2016, 09:44:16 PM
Looking through the rosters, at least those that are up, it appears only two schools recruited transfers. DeSales brought in one and Del Val brought in three. (could have miss someone).
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 08, 2016, 09:48:05 AM
Quote from: CCHoopster on November 06, 2016, 09:44:16 PM
Looking through the rosters, at least those that are up, it appears only two schools recruited transfers. DeSales brought in one and Del Val brought in three. (could have miss someone).

DelVal brought in two. One was actually at DelVal and didn't play hoops. DeSales has the kid on his 4th school (who averaged 20 points a freshman or sophomore at a D2 school) and another senior who transferred in from another D2 school, where he was the 6th man, before the start of the 2015-2016 campaign (he took the spot of the transfers from Bloomsburg and Lehigh). You will see more and more of this as the cost of private college continues to skyrocket, with no end in sight, and more and more students and student/athletes (not lucky enough to get big aid packages) doing their first two years and the wickedly growing community colleges and juco's. Bucks County Community College, by the end of this academic year, will be up to over 60 colleges and universities that will recognize every one of the 60 credits earned in the first two years..............and some of the private schools are even offering up to $20,500 scholarships to a BCCC student who gets at least a 3.5 GPA, and $18,500 for at least a 3.0 GPA. They can't build out their facilities fast enough to keep up with the extraordinary demand. Someone didn't think this through. :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on November 12, 2016, 02:54:41 PM
JM:

which transfer was on campus at Delaware Valley last year?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 12, 2016, 08:20:33 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on November 12, 2016, 02:54:41 PM
JM:

which transfer was on campus at Delaware Valley last year?

My contact at DeSales was told that a Dan Polson (?) went to a private high school in New Hope, minutes from DelVal's campus, and was actually on campus last year but didn't play (don't know if he is a "player" or not). I asked him if he was aware of any higher level D-1AA or D-II transfers down to the D-III level with DelVal and he wasn't aware of any other than your garden variety "can't afford four years...........can afford two years after a cc or juco start" similar to Daulton Derr a few years ago. Watch this dynamic going forward, especially as small school budgets get tighter and financial aid is squeezed. I know many examples where this is happening and it will eventually get most, but not all, of the schools who offer at least one, at sometimes two, what are known as "superpackages" each year based on need and athletics, with grades having very little impact. Albright is notorious in football for year one and they slash it for some in year two, thus the exodus of 15-20 players a year. Hoops doesn't have that issue given the much smaller number of players. I've always said that many of your better basketball programs don't necessarily have football programs so the competition amongst coaches at the front door of financial aid is not as fierce. Not having a wrestling team as well........your hoops team had best be golden!! ;)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on November 12, 2016, 09:15:40 PM
Just did a quick google search... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HDSkskG-RIY 

*Paulsen was at DeAnza College last year. Looks like a nice shooter. Big bodied kid. If the link does not work google Dan Paulsen Basketball. Certianly not as talented as DeSales transfer. He is good!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 13, 2016, 06:37:16 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on November 12, 2016, 09:15:40 PM
Just did a quick google search... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HDSkskG-RIY 

*Paulsen was at DeAnza College last year. Looks like a nice shooter. Big bodied kid. If the link does not work google Dan Paulsen Basketball. Certianly not as talented as DeSales transfer. He is good!

They could use a big bodied kid (or four) as after Tyrea Williams, I'm not sure that the new coach has anybody over 6'3". He would have to be a miracle worker this year. I think they squeezed into the #6 spot in the MAC Coaches Poll. Word is that Stitzel had two freshman and a big time transfer coming in..........big kids, athletic, fast and impact players from Day One. None came aboard when he left in mid/late May. I don't know if any followed him to Mville. The new coach came aboard way too late to grab much of anything. He's going to need two very good recruiting classes to get things back on track come the 2018-2019 season. Maybe get the big bodies down in FL like Eastern has been doing for the last several years. They lose their best two players after this season. Should be interesting. Stitzel will be missed. If he turns around a moribund Mville program and if Magee ever retires, if the timing works.........Stitzel may be the next coach at Philly University.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on November 14, 2016, 09:48:49 AM
he definitely has an uphill battle and if they make the playoffs, he will cement himself as a quality coach in the league.

While eastern certainly has gotten their fair share of players from Florida and other places, at some point they need to consistently make the playoffs to justify perceived success in recruiting.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on November 15, 2016, 09:17:11 PM
Misericordia opens with a 120-116 double-OT win at #25 Susquehanna.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on November 16, 2016, 12:44:34 AM
Good night for the Freedom... Teams went 6-1 on the night (D3 games) with FDU Florham competing against D1 Farleigh Dickinson. Nice night for the freedom! A few observations just off of box scores (plenty of time to kill during night work!)

- DeSales: Quality numbers/stats across the board. Great FG %.
- Miseri: They can put points up. Can they get any stops?
- Kings: Only 13 3's but went 10/13. Only beating a non D3 school by 11 (a branch campus school at that) would have me slightly       concerned. But a win is a win early in the season. They shot it from deep well.
- Wilkes with a big win and a big performance from their back court.
- Eastern: Seem to have a "solid" recruiting class each year. With that said, does Turk have/get any help this year?
- DVU: They held Immaculata to 16% from the field and had 4 guys in double figures. One transfer did not play of the three they have. They shot it surprisingly well and seem to have good depth???
- Manhattanvile: 3 guys played over 30 minutes all scoring in double figures with only 6 to's for the game. They will need some more fire power to compete with a few teams in the league.

Excited for the year!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 19, 2016, 01:40:04 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on November 16, 2016, 12:44:34 AM
Good night for the Freedom... Teams went 6-1 on the night (D3 games) with FDU Florham competing against D1 Farleigh Dickinson. Nice night for the freedom! A few observations just off of box scores (plenty of time to kill during night work!)

- DeSales: Quality numbers/stats across the board. Great FG %.
- Miseri: They can put points up. Can they get any stops?
- Kings: Only 13 3's but went 10/13. Only beating a non D3 school by 11 (a branch campus school at that) would have me slightly       concerned. But a win is a win early in the season. They shot it from deep well.
- Wilkes with a big win and a big performance from their back court.
- Eastern: Seem to have a "solid" recruiting class each year. With that said, does Turk have/get any help this year?
- DVU: They held Immaculata to 16% from the field and had 4 guys in double figures. One transfer did not play of the three they have. They shot it surprisingly well and seem to have good depth???
- Manhattanvile: 3 guys played over 30 minutes all scoring in double figures with only 6 to's for the game. They will need some more fire power to compete with a few teams in the league.

Excited for the year!

Let me give you the DelVal perspective:

-Immaculata would get beat by the Mighty Mac Women's teams from back in the day (national champs). They look like and play like an average Philly Suburban High School team (I don't say the Philly Catholic League because with this open enrollment/recruiting/AAU-like sham that is getting worse........many of those teams would beat Immaculata)
- DelVal has very little in the way of depth. You will eventually see a seven man rotation (Kimbro, Williams, Butler, Matsinyea, Brown, Russell and Cianchilly)
- Brutal outside shooting. 0-13 from three vs. Gettysburg outside of Brown's 3-4
- Polson hit a couple of three's against Immaculata but did nothing against an average-at-best Gettysburg team. Naccarata is blech. The rest will see a few minutes in blowouts.

I'm even further emboldened in my prediction of a 4-10 MAC record (in line with the coaches #6 prediction). If they sneak into the playoffs, the coach should be the MAC Coach of the Century!!

He needs two monster recruiting years, including 4-5 players (with at least 2 having some size), who can contribute day one next year. I hear he has connections all over the place so we'll see.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on November 19, 2016, 02:30:16 PM
JM-

Why do you come across so bitter towards Delaware Valley? Instead of knocking them on here and the CSAC board, why not just say nice job starting out 2-0 for a young team with a new coach. If they beat Alvernia today, I would like to see your thoughts. Not saying you are wrong on your 4-10 conference production; it just seems like you have an ax to grind against them. Are you one of the DeSales/Wilkes assistants?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 19, 2016, 03:47:17 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on November 19, 2016, 02:30:16 PM
JM-

Why do you come across so bitter towards Delaware Valley? Instead of knocking them on here and the CSAC board, why not just say nice job starting out 2-0 for a young team with a new coach. If they beat Alvernia today, I would like to see your thoughts. Not saying you are wrong on your 4-10 conference production; it just seems like you have an ax to grind against them. Are you one of the DeSales/Wilkes assistants?

In answer to your last question, I may or may not be.........now, or in the recent past. ;)

I don't mean to come across as bitter and I'm sorry that you took it that way (as anybody who knows me personally would say that is about as far from the truth as possible). But I am a little older, not very PC, came from a generation that wasn't coddled (they didn't give us lollipops, days off from school, crying towels and safety dogs when our candidate lost an election ;) ) so I guess that I am more of a tell-it-like-it-is, old school type, a tough love guy vs. many of the newer, PC, kill-em-with-kindness types. :)

My assessments have always been based in fact and what I see vs. based on fluff and what I read in a misleading boxscore. I was simply providing some context based on what I've seen (as I would say we are already scouting them........but that might give it away) relative to what you said. If Immaculata stores their games on the internet, take a look at the second half. You didn't deny how poor Immaculata is in your response either.

The 16% from the field was not as a result of an amazing DelVal defensive performance. The Macs shot 1-20 from three........with most of them wide open shots. The coach could not believe what he was watching.

You mentioned "seeming to have good depth". I had to add in a dose of reality as a boxscore against Immaculata will give most teams an appearance of depth that doesn't really exist. Check the boxscore against Gettysburg and then after the Alvernia game. They have seven players.

If they beat Alvernia, who also only plays with 6 core players +1, I will be more impressed. Beating Immaculata was a given, even in this year. Beating Gettysburg.......a little better (I want to see where they were picked in the Centennial). Beating Alvernia.........now that is an even matchup before tip off given both teams short benches.

As far as a young team.........their best player by far is senior Kimbro, followed by senior Williams. Manny Brown might turn out to be #1A to Kimbro's #1 and he is a junior. Polson is a senior (and not that good). Naccarata is a junior as well. They are not that young. Wilkes was a "young team" last year with three impact freshmen, all starting this year.

That's why I state the urgency (and you've never disagreed) of needing not one, but two monster recruiting years as they lose their best guard and only real big, as well as Polson, and Manny Brown only has one year come 2017-2018.

Besides, if we didn't go back and forth on this board............it might just die!! :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on November 19, 2016, 10:14:28 PM
Gettysburg was picked 4th in the CC.

Alvernia is the CLASS of the MAC C'WEALTH. They have an all American in Marshall.  Check who has won the past 5-6 years. They have won with 5-6 players for a few years now. It's their style.If DVU wins next Saturday, they go to Stockton undefeated the next Monday. That could tell a lot. either way the banter is good.

Where did you hear the new coach has connections from? What type of connections does he have? For recruiting?

As for them being young:

3 Seniors
3 Juniors
6 Soph
3 Frosh

9 of 15 sophomores or below

Enjoy your evening sir.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on November 23, 2016, 09:33:51 AM
Happy early Thanksgiving!

A few notes while killing time at work.

-MAC Freedom goes 5-1 last night with DeSales being the only loss.
-MAC Freedom went 9-6 last weekend
-MAC Freedom non conference total record: 20-9 (Not a bad record)

This conference is going to be really good this year. There will be 6 teams minimum fighting for playoff spots the last week of the season. There are some really good looking wins in there i.e Misericordia (LVC, Susquehanna). There are more examples.

Saturdays lineup is as follows:

(4-0) Hood College @ Del Val (3-0)
(3-1) Kings @ Scranton (3-0)
(0-3) ) Marywood @ Wilkes (3-1)

I am going to say the Freedom goes 2-1 with King's pulling the upset and Wilkes with the easy win. I like being the road team on a Saturday game over a break. Dead gyms! Del Val gets caught sleeping at home.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ronk on November 23, 2016, 01:38:37 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on November 23, 2016, 09:33:51 AM
Happy early Thanksgiving!

A few notes while killing time at work.

-MAC Freedom goes 5-1 last night with DeSales being the only loss.
-MAC Freedom went 9-6 last weekend
-MAC Freedom non conference total record: 20-9 (Not a bad record)

This conference is going to be really good this year. There will be 6 teams minimum fighting for playoff spots the last week of the season. There are some really good looking wins in there i.e Misericordia (LVC, Susquehanna). There are more examples.

Saturdays lineup is as follows:

(4-0) Hood College @ Del Val (3-0)
(3-1) Kings @ Scranton (3-0)
(0-3) ) Marywood @ Wilkes (3-1)

I am going to say the Freedom goes 2-1 with King's pulling the upset and Wilkes with the easy win. I like being the road team on a Saturday game over a break. Dead gyms! Del Val gets caught sleeping at home.

Kings-Scranton will be a neutral court game @ Wilkes.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on November 23, 2016, 04:08:27 PM
Thanks Ronk!

I am going to stick w Kings for the upset. Although a  tall task it is.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on November 26, 2016, 09:32:53 PM
Wilkes was an easy call. They had three sophomores as their three leading scorers- talk about talented youth! Early, but this could be your #2 seed behind Miseri or top seed. Definitely a top 3 team(long way to go I know). Really well coached team who won't beat themselves and have two dominant guards. Maybe the best 2 in the league (as a tandem).

Del Val with the loss as expected. Looking at the box score, as JMCozen said earlier, they can not shoot at all. Their next four are at Stockton, Moravian, TCNJ then Neumann. WOW, good luck with that schedule. Next win may not come for a little bit. Today's loss will hurt them for a few games and those opponents are a really tough lineup.

Kings with the tough L at Scranton. Really were not in it after the 12 minute mark in the first half. Think they rebound with a really good performance vs Marywood tomorrow. Unlike DVU (credit to DVU for a 3-0 start), Kings has an experienced coach who can get them on track where as DVU's coach is still finding who and what type of players he has. I would rather be in King's shoes than DVU's- better team and better schedule, better coach for now too. 

After two weeks, my updated predictions are:

1-Miseri
2-DeSales
3-Wilkes (almost put them as #2)
4-Kings
5-Eastern
6-DVU
7-Manhattanville
8-FDU

I don't think DVU, MVILLE, FDU can come close to the playoffs. Was more optimistic on DVU/Eastern earlier than I am right now but don't see it for them. Got to be able to shoot it at some point. Long season and I am just sitting here wasting time at work.

Please don't take the above as matter of fact.... Just killing time for "The Man".

Have a great night!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ronk on November 27, 2016, 12:21:01 AM
 Kings cut a 15-pt deficit to 3 in the last 4 mins, then had 2 baskets waved off for player control fouls. I think they were the right calls but they could easily have gone Kings' way. JP was visibly upset.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on November 27, 2016, 12:18:24 PM
"JP was visibly upset"....I'm pretty sure that happens about 15 times a game or on most fouls called against them.
He's involved in the game, that's for sure.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on November 30, 2016, 11:16:42 AM
This week's Around the Atlantic column focuses on Misericordia

http://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-region/atlantic/2016-17/miseri-fields-danger

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on December 01, 2016, 08:48:21 AM
Very good win for DeSales. Arcadia's record is not indicitive of their ability. DeSales seem to of played their best game of the year without their  transfer. Laird was great! Love his game.

Del Val losing three straight. I don't see them winning either game next week. (@TCNJ/Neumann). They just can not shoot. They scored 94 points and shot about 50% from ft and 30% from three. They haf a player with 37points.

Wilkes with a loss to Drew. I watched a little. Wilkes could not hit shots and get stops at the same time. Wilkes is a good team. They will bounce back.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on December 04, 2016, 07:34:14 AM
A 22 point effort from Turk provided Eastern with their third win in a row and a win over a Hamilton team Who was 4-1 coming into the game. I definitely thought Eastern would be a strong team this year getting a playoff bid.  Possibly hitting their stride a little bit now. Misericordia and Wilkes will be locks  for the playoffs and I have a hard time seeing DeSales missing out.  I really think that last spot is Eastern's if they want it.  Delaware Valley University's schedule Is partly to blame for their three game skid but also they are probably revealing their true colors. A team with individual talent that possibly are not good enough to play as a team.  I just don't think Kings can make a playoff run and do not see anybody else outside of those six teams jumping in. Kings has a few really good pieces but just don't think they have enough firepower to take over a playoff spot.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on January 08, 2017, 07:03:48 PM
Back to posting to myself  ;D Hoping all had a very nice holiday season.

After the first week of games we sit as follows in the freedom:

DeSales: 2-0
Miseri: 1-1
Wilkes: 1-1
DVU: 1-1
Eastern: 1-1
MVille: 1-1
FDU: 1-1
Kings: 0-2

Yesterday provided some really good games... I was fortunate to be solo at work and had the chance to watch a decent amount of games from the Freedom (and some of the cwealth).

Eastern 75 Kings 64.

Kings suffers it's second straight double digit loss. I just don;t think you can be a playoff team without any weapons. Rutecki is solid along with Callajas but not sure they are leading you to a playoff birth. EU has shown signs of a strong team with a few good wins. Turk and Duncan led the way with 24 and 18. Eastern will be in the mix for the 4th or 5th playoff spot. Nothing higher, Mville could take 5th. Eastern will host Miseri then travel to Wilkes this week.  King's will host FDU and head to MVille this week.

FDU 71 Miseri 70.

Not sure anyone saw this coming... but when you get to league play, all is possible. Kenny was his usual self with 22 but Miseri could struggle to win when they shot 5-25 from three and only get to the line 13 times. FDU was led by Davy and Loehner with 22 and 19 respectively. FDU will head to King's then host DeSales this week. Miseri will be at Eastern then host DVU this week.

DeSales 84 DVU 72.

DeSales took a 13 point halftime lead and led by as many as 15 but DVU came storming back to tie it up with about 5 left. I think DeSales is the clear favorite and would be shocked to see them with a record anything less than 10-4/11-3. (IMO). DVU may be better in league than people gave credit for in preseason especially with POY potential in Kimbrough. Bridy led DU with 21 and Kimbrough led all scorers with 22 while DVU had three of the top 4 scorers. DVU will need to find a way to make the 1st half not their Achilles heel. DeSales will host MVille and then travel to FDU this week. DVU will go to Wilkes then travel to Miseri.

MVille 61 Wilkes 58

Another one that may have surprised some folks up in Wilkes-Barre. No Tommy Bowen has hurt WU and their inside post presence. They are at their best when they can get the ball to Bowen in the post then surround him with cutters and shooters. Brunner does not fit that mold very well. I got to watch some of this game and that was evident. Mville was paced by Tuci with 17 being the only double digit scorer for the MVille. Wilkes was led by Evans and Robinson with 16 and 14 respectively. MVille will travel to DeSales and then will host King's. Wilkes will host DVU and then host Eastern this week.


Current Standings:

DeSales
Miseri
Wilkes
DVU
Eastern
MVille
FDU
King's


Wednesday predictions:

Kings 68 FDU 63

DeSales 83 MVille 59

Miseri 74 Eastern 69

DVU 77 Wilkes 68

Saturday predictions:

Miseri 84 DVU 71

Wilkes 77 Eastern  73

MVille 67 King's 60

DSU 88 vs FDU 69









Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 08, 2017, 08:29:51 PM
I'm reading, CCHoopster. :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on January 12, 2017, 11:55:27 AM
Interesting night for the Freedom. I went 2-2 on predictions. Batting .500 will get you in the HOF in baseball  ;)

Quick Recap:

DeSales another win as expected over MVille.

Del Val with a slight surprise win on the road at Wilkes.

Eastern with a BIG win at home vs Misericordia- Anyone know why Hawk and Kenny did not play?

FDU over Kings.

Current Standings:

DeSales 3-0
DVU 2-1
Eastern 2-1
FDU 2-1
Misericordia 1-2
Wilkes 1-2
MVill 1-2
Kings 0-3

Saturday's Contests Predictions:


Miseri 84 DVU 71: DVU not deep enough to play with Misericordia. Mis is coming off back to back losses and will be primed for a BIG game vs the team who knocked them out last year. Would not want to be DVU.

Wilkes 77 Eastern  73: Let down game for Eastern after a huge OT win.

MVille 67 King's 60: King's is toast if they drop this which they will.

DSU 88 vs FDU 69: I don't see DeSales losing right now to anyone. They are not perfect but compared to the league, the best by far.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on January 14, 2017, 04:44:59 PM
Final score from Dallas DVU 83/Misericordia 70!  Nice road win Aggies!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on January 14, 2017, 07:17:02 PM
Rank these surprises through 4 games:

DVU 3-1 with rookie coach
FDU 3-1
Mis 1-3
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on January 15, 2017, 06:27:03 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on January 14, 2017, 07:17:02 PM
Rank these surprises through 4 games:

DVU 3-1 with rookie coach
FDU 3-1
Mis 1-3

1. King's (0-4) and Wilkes (1-3) are my co-#1 surprises so far given where they were picked by the coaches. The Fazzini brothers (King's) have been vital cogs forever and are doing nothing so far, having zero to do with injuries. Wilkes returned a boatload including the best backcourt (Robinson and Evans) in the conference last year.
2. FDU at 3-1 is a very close second to what is happening up in Wilkes Barre (granted that it's only through four games)
3. The fact that DeSales has lost a game in the first four is my #3 surprise. Returned seven of our top eight scorers/players from last year (lost only Cody Deal) from the regular season #1 team. We won't lose more than 1 more in the regular season

- The Misericordia record doesn't surprise me at all as they have played two full games and a third partial game without last year's MAC Rookie of the Year and this year's leading scorer in the MAC (Kenny) as well as their lane clogging 6'10" center (Hawk). Both will be ready to come back this week some time.

- The DelVal record doesn't surprise me as the wins are over the underperforming King's and Wilkes teams........and the injured Misericordia team. Losing two players at the semester break killed them and they are basically now a 5 man team (I told you that regardless of what was found on the internet.........Paulson and Stoeckel weren't going to add much) with literally no depth. Before those two losses, I mentioned that the new coach was going to need a miraculous recruiting season come Spring and now given that those two losses were underclassmen, he has exactly three players back for next year who can play at this level. He now needs 5-6 immediate impact players for 2017-2018. It will be hard to pull that off in one recruiting class.

I've got DeSales winning the conference by 3 games. If Kenny and Hawk come back this week and stay healthy, I see Misericordia squeezing into the #2 spot. While I know that they are right there through four games, I don't see Manhattanville in the mix at the end. King's is in deep doo doo.

That leaves FDU, Eastern, Wilkes and DelVal fighting for spots three and four.

I'm going to give the #3 spot to Eastern. Size, athleticism, experience (Turk seems as if he's been around for a decade) and depth. I see them with the #4 seed at worst.

Now to the #4. Wilkes has dug a little hole for themselves but the coaches liked them and you were thinking of making them the #2 preseason. Having played FDU, it would be too easy to just hand them the #4 and walk away. I'm still not sure about them. As for DelVal, the record is very deceiving given who they've beaten..............but they did win the games. Having literally only five guys who can play and the depth issues with foul trouble and/or getting gassed, I just don't see it. I'm actually going to go with FDU.

Now, I will say this. DelVal is 3-1 with Manhattanville at home on Wednesday, followed by a tough back to back at FDU and then at Eastern. If they go 2-1 in those games and finish the first half 5-2.............with four home games in the final seven (and no MAC Freedom gym comes remotely close to rocking like James Work due to the university having both supportive football and wrestling teams as well as a supportive community, unlike most of the other MAC Freedom schools.......we hate playing meaningful games there........got lucky this year as their students were on Christmas break and the place was dead). I could see them finishing the second half at 4-3 to give them a 9-5 conference record.

If that happens (1) they might very well get the #4 seed and (2) as you remember me saying right before the season started.........if a new coach, hired in mid-July, without any chance to recruit, and losing the three studs that were coming in if not for the coaching change AND now after losing his two solid bench players after the first semester, can take this team to the playoffs........he had better be the runaway, unanimous selection for MAC Freedom Coach of the Year, as the team was picked 6th by the coaches, before they lost the only bench players on the roster. It might be the easiest COY pick in conference history!  :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on January 15, 2017, 08:39:55 PM
I don't 100% agree but I am agreeing with 95% of this. Thanks for the input JM, some great stuff! I disagree that 9-5 gets fourth place. I can see 7-7, 8-6 as enough for fourth with tiebreakers the decision maker. DeSales will be the clear cut winner... Mis will not be able to capture the #2 seed, no chance. Mis, DVU, FDU will compete for #3 and #4. Which means Eastern looks like (in my mind) a candidate for #2. DVU is the wild card. With a 3-1 start they may be able to do enough to get in the playoffs. Yes, this guy should easily be COY if they make the playoffs.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on January 16, 2017, 08:59:48 AM
Additional point: Mis had Eastern beat at Eastern and let it go. Mis missed free throws in the final 12 seconds. This was without Kenny and Hawk. DVU was in control at Mis for 35 of 40 minutes. Says more of DVU than Eastern, no?

Let's say Mis gets swept by DeSales, which is possible. That's 9-5 at best and that would be them going 8-2 to finish. They have no room for error. They MUST beat Eastern, DVU, FDU, next time around.... thinking tie breakers already for them.

Last night I mentioned Eastern as the #2 in my head. I don't think DVU can get to #2... especially with NO depth and the HC having no experience in clutch games down the stretch. I should have given FDU more respect, consideration for #2.... why not?

Let's keep the chatter up!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on January 18, 2017, 01:49:03 PM
Tonight's predictions:

DeSales 82 Wilkes 69
FDU 89 Eastern 85
Del Val 74 MVille 56
Mis 94 Kings 59

DeSales 4-1
DVU 4-1
FDU 4-1
Eastern 3-2
MVille 2-3
Mis 2-3
Wilkes 1-4
Kings 0-5
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on January 19, 2017, 12:20:06 AM
I went 2-2 and was way off on scores.

Questions- Dave, anyone else have any thoughts on the MACF?

1- What's up with DeSales?
2- Is Wilkes capable of making a run to get into the playoffs?
3- Is Del Val for real or the coach an up and coming super star (using that lightly)? That's incredible to be 4-1 right now.


Saturday games:

Mis 77 DeSales 73
Wilkes 66 Kings 59
MVille 69 Eastern 66
DVU 79 FDU 71



Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on January 19, 2017, 09:36:53 AM
Shouldn't you change your handle to 'FC'Hoopster when you come in this room?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on January 19, 2017, 01:15:39 PM
Why?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on January 19, 2017, 01:44:19 PM
Freedom Conference.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on January 19, 2017, 02:06:57 PM
Oh, duh. Well CC are my initials so I'll probably keep it for now! I have an affection for the MAC/Centennial and D3. My sister, brother and I played in those conferences, (many moons ago), my son and daughter too and have a nephew in the Freedom now although he is just a roster filler but loves the game!

This is my way to stay connected to a game I love and fills a passion for D3 Hoops. Living in Lancaster Pa, there are many schools close by in D3 which helps see many games.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on January 19, 2017, 02:10:13 PM
I figured CC was for Commonwealth Conference.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on January 19, 2017, 02:40:36 PM
I could see why!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on January 19, 2017, 04:59:22 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on January 19, 2017, 02:10:13 PM
I figured CC was for Commonwealth Conference.
I hope your nephew doesn't come on here.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 19, 2017, 07:24:00 PM
or Felix Unger
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on January 19, 2017, 08:28:39 PM
My nephew was a team manager for two years and they gave him a uniform last year, he is a senior this year. As he say's, got to get a uniform somehow! Beauty of D3.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on January 22, 2017, 09:44:34 AM
Another nice road win, Aggies!  Congrats and Good Luck Wednesday night with Eastern!  One at a time!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on January 22, 2017, 10:36:54 AM
The Freedom is going to be a nice hot mess down the stretch... should make things very interesting over the next four weeks.

Last nights results (I did not watch any games, just read the recaps)

- Wilkes 64-King's 63. Robinson makes two free throws to get the win with time expiring.

- Misericordia 99 DeSales 76. DeSales better figure things out. Misericordia is set to go on a tear I think.

- Eastern 79 Manhattanville 63. Mville is a tough place to play against a tough, physical team. This was a good win for the Eagles.

- DVU 81 FDU 63. DVU was up 31 with 5 or 6 minutes left at FDU. This is a place where FDU beat both a healthy Mis and beat DeSales.

Current Standings:

DVU 5-1
Eastern 5-1
Mis 3-3
DeSales 3-3
Wilkes 3-3
Florham 3-3
MVille 2-4
Kings 0-6

Wednesday predictions:

Mis 88 Wilkes 74= Mis is not the team I would want to play right now. They will be on a tear. They are not a 3-3 team in will prove so.

FDU 67 MVille 64= Toss up but FDU has had some strong home wins and this one is at FDU.

DeSales 84 Kings 66= DeSales is bound to win a game and King's does not have the horses to compete in this one.

DVU 79 Eastern 71= DVU can win on the road. This could go either way. Winner could really begin to separate themselves. As I have read, teams probably would not want to have to go through DVU as the home team in the playoffs. Eastern could win this game with their depth and home court advantage. Anytime you have Turk, you can win too.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on January 26, 2017, 11:07:08 PM
Sooooo.... I was wrong, LOL, on DVU and Eastern. Eastern took them outback. DeSales pulled out a close one vs Kings, Misericordia cleaned up on Wilkes and MVille stayed alive with a win, a needed win, over FDU. Eastern is setting themselves up nicely to try and secure a home playoff game while Misericordia looks to be back at full strength, getting early season like results.

Saturday Games:

Wilkes 76 at DVU 65- Here is a chance for DVU to either unravel or follow up a poor performance with a great one at home. I think Wilkes shows up and takes this one from DVU late.

DeSales 83 at Easter 79- The Bulldogs find a way to hold off a late Eastern surge to win by 4. DeSales gets back to form but still struggles to keep the Eagles from scoring in bunches.

FDU Florham 66 at Misericordia- 89- This one is not close from the tip. Coach Chandler has his horses back and their big three are killing it. Mis and DeSales are making a run at Eastern and DVU's top two spots. Each will inch closer this weekend.

Kings 59 at Manhattanville 69- MVille gets another one and King's falls to 0-8. Not a flashy game but a big win for Mville who will stay in the playoff hunt for now.

Until Saturday night, have a great week!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on January 28, 2017, 08:34:17 PM
So, hashtag for the Aggies today should be 'takin care of business'.  Nice home W this afternoon, DV!!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on January 28, 2017, 10:13:26 PM
Another 16 hour shift on a Saturday means another day of watching games and a prediction showing of 2-2 for me on my predictions. I'll keep my day job and not become a pro gambler!

DeSales with a strong road win over Eastern. The Bulldogs and Mis are starting to heat up. Could be bad news for the two teams currently atop the conference. I think the winner of Misericordia v DeSales round 2 will be the top seed. Loser the 2 seed and DVU/Eastern winner when they play next the 3 seed with the(loser taking the final seed, #4.

Misericordia trounced over Florham. See above comment.

Del Val beats Wilkes, being up 13-18 most of the second half. DVU could be really good if they had anything off of the bench. They just can not get production where other teams have guys coming off the bench and leading them in some games. Looks like DVU will be a playoff team, one and done at best most likely.

King's beats MVille behind great shooting and work off the bench.

End of season predictions:

1- Misericordia
2- DeSales
3- Eastern
4- DVU
5- FDU
6- Wilkes
7- MVille
8- Kings-

Wednesday Game/Predictions:

DeSales 82 at Manhattanville 67
FDU 69 vs Wilkes 65
DVU 77 at Kings 65
Misericordia 99 vs Eastern 82

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on January 29, 2017, 11:48:53 PM
JM since there is no action on this board , hoping you or Dave M can stop by for some thoughts. Eastern and DVU sit at 6-2. Mis/DU sit tied at 5-3. To this point, your biggest surprise? DVU, Eastern or something else...

Player of the year?

Rookie of the year?

Coach of the year?

Quote from: jmcozenlaw on January 15, 2017, 06:27:03 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on January 14, 2017, 07:17:02 PM
Rank these surprises through 4 games:

DVU 3-1 with rookie coach
FDU 3-1
Mis 1-3

1. King's (0-4) and Wilkes (1-3) are my co-#1 surprises so far given where they were picked by the coaches. The Fazzini brothers (King's) have been vital cogs forever and are doing nothing so far, having zero to do with injuries. Wilkes returned a boatload including the best backcourt (Robinson and Evans) in the conference last year.
2. FDU at 3-1 is a very close second to what is happening up in Wilkes Barre (granted that it's only through four games)
3. The fact that DeSales has lost a game in the first four is my #3 surprise. Returned seven of our top eight scorers/players from last year (lost only Cody Deal) from the regular season #1 team. We won't lose more than 1 more in the regular season

- The Misericordia record doesn't surprise me at all as they have played two full games and a third partial game without last year's MAC Rookie of the Year and this year's leading scorer in the MAC (Kenny) as well as their lane clogging 6'10" center (Hawk). Both will be ready to come back this week some time.

- The DelVal record doesn't surprise me as the wins are over the underperforming King's and Wilkes teams........and the injured Misericordia team. Losing two players at the semester break killed them and they are basically now a 5 man team (I told you that regardless of what was found on the internet.........Paulson and Stoeckel weren't going to add much) with literally no depth. Before those two losses, I mentioned that the new coach was going to need a miraculous recruiting season come Spring and now given that those two losses were underclassmen, he has exactly three players back for next year who can play at this level. He now needs 5-6 immediate impact players for 2017-2018. It will be hard to pull that off in one recruiting class.

I've got DeSales winning the conference by 3 games. If Kenny and Hawk come back this week and stay healthy, I see Misericordia squeezing into the #2 spot. While I know that they are right there through four games, I don't see Manhattanville in the mix at the end. King's is in deep doo doo.

That leaves FDU, Eastern, Wilkes and DelVal fighting for spots three and four.

I'm going to give the #3 spot to Eastern. Size, athleticism, experience (Turk seems as if he's been around for a decade) and depth. I see them with the #4 seed at worst.

Now to the #4. Wilkes has dug a little hole for themselves but the coaches liked them and you were thinking of making them the #2 preseason. Having played FDU, it would be too easy to just hand them the #4 and walk away. I'm still not sure about them. As for DelVal, the record is very deceiving given who they've beaten..............but they did win the games. Having literally only five guys who can play and the depth issues with foul trouble and/or getting gassed, I just don't see it. I'm actually going to go with FDU.

Now, I will say this. DelVal is 3-1 with Manhattanville at home on Wednesday, followed by a tough back to back at FDU and then at Eastern. If they go 2-1 in those games and finish the first half 5-2.............with four home games in the final seven (and no MAC Freedom gym comes remotely close to rocking like James Work due to the university having both supportive football and wrestling teams as well as a supportive community, unlike most of the other MAC Freedom schools.......we hate playing meaningful games there........got lucky this year as their students were on Christmas break and the place was dead). I could see them finishing the second half at 4-3 to give them a 9-5 conference record.

If that happens (1) they might very well get the #4 seed and (2) as you remember me saying right before the season started.........if a new coach, hired in mid-July, without any chance to recruit, and losing the three studs that were coming in if not for the coaching change AND now after losing his two solid bench players after the first semester, can take this team to the playoffs........he had better be the runaway, unanimous selection for MAC Freedom Coach of the Year, as the team was picked 6th by the coaches, before they lost the only bench players on the roster. It might be the easiest COY pick in conference history!  :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on January 29, 2017, 11:52:59 PM
Sorry, I should offer my own opinions first.

POY- KENNY from Mis.

ROY- HARDING from Mis

Coach- DVU (If and only if they finish top two)

Thoughts?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on January 30, 2017, 11:26:29 PM
Kenny or Kimbrough seem like the leaders for Player of the Year. If Miseri or Del Val wins the conference, that probably seals it for one of them. Personally I like that Kimbrough has played more minutes to this point, but Miseri is a better team with Kenny back after missing a couple games.

Rookie of the Year: Yeah, definitely Harding. Top 10 in both scoring and rebounding

Coach of the Year: Assuming it's not just the head coach of whoever wins the regular season, I'd go either Seidenberg or McNelley at Eastern.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on January 31, 2017, 09:46:02 AM
I could see Turk being POY if Eastern finishes 1. That would be something if DVU had POY and COY after being picked 6th. And would be just as "something" (LOL) if Mis had POY and ROY. Future is BRIGHT in Dallas, PA... Kenny definitely makes Misericodia a different team.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on February 01, 2017, 11:01:48 PM
Eastern with a GREAT win at Misericordia. Turk with 23 and making a case for POY. Unless they crumble, Eastern coach is COY.

Del Val came back in the final 3 minutes down 8-10 to win by 3. Got lucky. Pretty impressive showinbfor the Aggies at 7-2 with a tie for first (second due to tiebreaker). Kudos to the new head coach and players.

DeSales is heating up. I believe they have won 5 of 7. Conference is tough when DU is in third and Mis in 4th. These guys can definitely win the league.

Wilkes with a much needed win at Manhattanville. If DVU can win Saturday vs Eastern, Wilkes will find themselves in the mix for that 4th spot.

Saturday Games:

Wilkes 72 MVille 66
Eastern 85 Kings 64
Mis 79 DVU 68
DeSales 77 FDU 62


Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 05, 2017, 08:41:19 AM
Aggie theme song should be Takin Care of Business!  Manhattanville, FDU, Eastern and DeSales left on the schedule - GOOD LUCK Men!!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on February 05, 2017, 10:54:47 AM
Kate, that's a good one; Eastern could share in the theme too. This time of year is crazy for sure- DeSales is lurking with eyes on the top seed. They have the tie breaker over both DVU and Eastern being 3-0 vs those two with one game remaining, senior day at that, with DVU. It looks like Eastern, DVU and DeSales will be in the playoffs. I don't see Wilkes outlasting Mis.

My playoff prediction:

1- Eastern
2- DeSales
3- DVU
4- Mis

A few thoughts on the league:

-Del Val ends the season with Eastern and DeSales which is the toughest ending of any team (toughest of final two games).
-I don't think they can go 3-1 or 4-0 which they would need to do to get a home playoff game
-Eastern is the real deal this year and that coach is doing a great job! Coach of the year?
-DVU coach has been a miracle worker, legit miracle worker- coach of the year? NO BENCH, limited experience of starting 5 returning only two guys who saw double digit minutes on average last season and having lost 2 of top 7 players at semester break along with taking over a program with super high expectations. Should be COY in my opinion.
-DeSales seems to be ready to get to form at the right time winning 4 of 6. They need to make a run since they lose so much this year having 6 seniors, 4 of whom are impact players (Laird, Bridy, Callahan, Slanger)... Changing of the guard at DU
-Mis is falling apart. While it's great to score the ball, you have to be able to defend, which they do not do a great job of. They can definitely score it, but you got to stop it too. They return everyone but Hawk and Sponaugle and Rivera is better than Hawk so they will be fine for the next few years.
-Wilkes is the best of the bottom 4 teams. I just don't see them winning more games than Mis having DeSales, Mis and Eastern left.

What do I know, I am usually only 50/50 on my predictions. Got to love D3Hoops and this time of year!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 08, 2017, 10:01:09 PM
Aggie Men lose by five tonight up at Purchase.  Manhattanville 75 - Del Val 70.  Playing FDU on Saturday at home, Eastern Tuesday night at home, and the final regular season game with DeSales at Center Valley.  Should be a wild finish.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 09, 2017, 10:19:43 AM
CC,

Did you catch either of the Luzerne County thrillers last night - King's at Misericordia or DeSales at Wilkes?

I think I figured out which team your nephew plays (dresses) for.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on February 09, 2017, 07:31:21 PM
Unfortunately I did not. Both great contests all the way to the end. Kings has been playing so well and Wilkes probably had a hard time sleeping last night. Teams like DeSales always find ways to win.

Congrats to Eastern and DVU for clinching playoff spots. Impressive for the DVU first year HC to take this team to the playoffs. Also, congrats to the Eatern coach in his first year without the interim tag - smart hires by both.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2017, 02:18:32 PM
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Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 15, 2017, 07:56:29 AM
Tie for first place in the MAC Freedom!  For the Aggies there's one regular season game left, with DeSales on Saturday afternoon.  If they win that one, they'll have home court advantage in the play-offs!!!  The double header starts at 1 in Center Valley and the guys play at 3.  Great win over Eastern last night, Men - solid way to celebrate Senior night!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 18, 2017, 05:34:49 PM
Home court advantage for the Aggies in the play-offs starting Wednesday night.  Our opponent is - DeSales!  Check the website for the starting time.  Nice win to end the regular season today, Aggies!!!  Congratulations!!! One game at a time!!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on February 19, 2017, 02:55:37 PM
Shocked that DVU pulled off the #1 seed. Could it be a magician season?

Playoff predictions:

DeSalles 79 DVU 73
Mis 88 Eastern 79

Mis 91 DeSales 77

Mis to the dance. Offensive firepower can get it done  this time of year and that's what Mis has.


Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 19, 2017, 07:52:44 PM
Here's hoping your postseason picks are better than your regular season picks.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on February 20, 2017, 07:02:11 AM
Ha- I'm terrible at picks!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 22, 2017, 07:16:47 PM
Evidently there was a fire in South Hall on the DVU campus, at least smoke, so the start of the DVU/DeSales game hasn't started yet.  i will keep checking.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 22, 2017, 07:55:39 PM
The DVU/DeSales semi-final game has been postponed until tomorrow night at 5:30 pm.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 22, 2017, 08:35:08 PM
The official press release from the school says that the game between DVU and DeSales will be played tomorrow, Thursday, February 23 at 5 pm.  Go Aggies!!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 22, 2017, 11:02:35 PM
Just as long as they got ol' Aggie & Bessie out safely is all that matters.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 22, 2017, 11:17:56 PM
I believe the real story is a squirrel ate a power line and power went out around 5 PM...restored around 10:50 pm.

Game Thursday is at 5:30 pm.

I can't make this stuff up...it happened.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 22, 2017, 11:34:12 PM
Ahhh...life down on the farm...you've got to love it.

Hope the little guy is ok.

DVC Smokin Squirrel's does have a ring to it though.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 23, 2017, 08:22:28 AM
O.K. - tonight's game at DVU is definitely set for 5:30 pm.  Unless there's another squirrel attack :)!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 23, 2017, 07:33:24 PM
This Aggie withdrawal is gonna be tough, but congrats to DeSales - they won it tonight 79/57.  Now, I guess I'll have to pull for DeSales, Men & Women.  If FDU should beat the Lady Bulldogs I wouldn't be too upset.  Can't really blame the Lady Devils for what their coach did.  They are a solid team.  Again, congrats to the DeSale's Men!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on February 24, 2017, 12:50:55 AM
QuoteAhhh...life down on the farm...you've got to love it.

Hope the little guy is ok.

There was a photo of the squirrel posted to Twitter before the game. I can assure you the little guy was not okay. But credit to the students for giving him a proper burial on site (really...the photo is out there).

And credit to DeSales for a resounding, squirrel-free victory tonight.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ronk on February 24, 2017, 03:12:46 PM
 This is not uncommon in the world of communication cables; unfortunately for the squirrel, he didn't read the D3hoops scouting report on playoff hosting sites(and what the NCAA allows and prohibits by the spectators)  :P 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2017, 04:04:35 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on February 24, 2017, 12:50:55 AM
QuoteAhhh...life down on the farm...you've got to love it.

Hope the little guy is ok.

There was a photo of the squirrel posted to Twitter before the game. I can assure you the little guy was not okay. But credit to the students for giving him a proper burial on site (really...the photo is out there).

And credit to DeSales for a resounding, squirrel-free victory tonight.

Yeah... let's just say he didn't make it. And the shrine that was dedicated to him was a wonderful gesture by the students. ROFL

Quote from: ronk on February 24, 2017, 03:12:46 PM
This is not uncommon in the world of communication cables; unfortunately for the squirrel, he didn't read the D3hoops scouting report on playoff hosting sites(and what the NCAA allows and prohibits by the spectators)  :P 

Yeah... he certainly didn't do his homework. LOL

This wouldn't have happened if we were having a "normal" winter around these parts!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 25, 2017, 05:14:39 PM
Congrats to Misericordia - they're representing the MAC Freedom in the NCAA's!!! Show em what the MAC's about Cougars!!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on February 26, 2017, 07:28:27 PM
Congrats to all Freedom players and coaches on another college season passes. A special congrats to:

Misericordia on winning the MACF

Jason Kenny on Tournament MVP

Shaquan Turk on POY and a marvelous career.

Tony Harding on ROY who was the clear favorite.

Mark Seidenburg on COY- this was an extremely impressive performance by a coach.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 26, 2017, 07:42:12 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on February 19, 2017, 02:55:37 PM
Shocked that DVU pulled off the #1 seed. Could it be a magician season?

Playoff predictions:

DeSalles 79 DVU 73
Mis 88 Eastern 79

Mis 91 DeSales 77

Mis to the dance. Offensive firepower can get it done  this time of year and that's what Mis has.
Congrats on hitting the trifecta.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on February 27, 2017, 10:39:52 AM
If I was a gambling man, I'd be down quite a few dollars from the regular season heading into the playoffs. Congrats to Mis. A team that found a way through with some adversity this year.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on March 03, 2017, 10:25:21 AM
Good Luck to our two MAC Freedom teams playing in the post season.  Misericordia in the NCAA's and DeSales in the ECAC's!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on May 16, 2017, 06:17:37 AM
Long-time MAC Freedom and Landmark poster 'Cold Case' has moved on to that great chat room in the sky.  His obituary appears in the May 16 edition of the Wilkes-Barre Citizens Voice.  RIP.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on May 19, 2017, 12:44:14 AM
Wow...

Lefty, thanks for the news.

Cold Case, rest in peace - and best to all who knew you!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on August 11, 2017, 08:45:47 AM
 Saw the following on social media regarding incoming classes.

Eastern- high level transfer from Ithaca Gabe Perez a  6-5 forward. They also brought in a 6'8 frosh who looks good and several crafty shooting guards.

Del Val- returning 6'6 player they lost last year, D2 transfer, in conference transfer- Britton (Manhattanville). 6'5 wing frosh (looks good) and 6'6 shooting frosh.

Mis- JUCO transfer

DeSalea- 2 really good freshman. Bealer from Souderton HS and Edwards a forward from Harrisburg. Both can help Day 1.

A little August gossip.... be well all!

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on August 11, 2017, 03:21:26 PM
Shout out to you CCHoopster - in a slow, gloomy summer, that's some great news!   Always glad to hear good stuff about DVU - thanks again!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on August 14, 2017, 11:08:47 PM
 I was just looking through some coaches Twitter accounts and came across this info. They both had some highlights of incoming players or you can just google the players names  for online videos of them.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on November 08, 2017, 08:46:53 PM
Hello all:

Pre Season Polls are out for the Freedom:

Misericordia
Eastern
DeSales
Del Val
Wilkes
FDU
Manhattanville
Kings

I see 1-3 being most likely. I don't however see Del Val making the playoffs. I believe Wilkes and Manhattanville make a push for the 4 spot.

Predictions:

Misericordia
Eastern
DeSales
Wilkes
Manhattanville
Del Val/FDU tie
Kings

Almost time! Best of luck to all teams and coaches this season.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 09, 2017, 11:10:36 AM
It will be interesting to see how F&M does against Misericordia on opening night.  F&M has 9 freshmen on their roster--four of them are 6'6" or taller.

F&M is picked to finish second in the CC barely beating out Dickinson.  Swarthmore is picked to win.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on November 10, 2017, 02:43:46 PM
Del Val is going to be hard to gauge year to year because they are going to feature two-year transfers pretty prominently. That's part of the new coach's recruiting philosophy. Hit on a couple and they'll surprise people.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 11, 2017, 09:03:57 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 10, 2017, 02:43:46 PM
Del Val is going to be hard to gauge year to year because they are going to feature two-year transfers pretty prominently. That's part of the new coach's recruiting philosophy. Hit on a couple and they'll surprise people.

Gordon, the only transfer that I'm aware of is Britton from MAC foe, Manhattanville. Dixon is a very deep reserve and Beck (Millersville) does not even appear on the roster online. I don't know if by "prominently", you meant in the year's to come, or this year. I hear that Misericordia landed a stud transfer who will be starting, along with the riches that they bring back (Kenny, Rivera, Harding, Fields) and that Eastern also landed an Ithaca transfer who started as a freshman up there and is slated to start at Eastern. DeSales is always good for a 1-AA or D2 transfer or two each year but I have no clue if that's the case this year. Losing studs like Williams and Kimbrough will certainly impact DelVal this year. I haven't seen them yet or heard much about them (other than from a DeSales player who doesn't expect much from them) so who knows. Looking at the roster, DelVal doesn't have much height and the little that it does have (besides Russell) weighs less than you!! :) Besides....................................

The Aggies have the #5 football team (Coaches Poll) in the country!! My alma mater doesn't even have a football team :(
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on November 12, 2017, 07:57:56 PM
Yeah, I meant over the next couple years. Not this year necessarily, though I'm surprised there are so few.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on November 14, 2017, 11:16:33 AM
I heard Beck is on campus sitting out, taking classes. A friend was at Del vals scrimmage at Abright (he is an alumni) and asked the coach about him- also said they were sloppy. Even with Beck who could have been maybe their best player, they don't have enough for the playoffs. Close to wilkes and Manhattanville IMO but behind them.

Really impressed with Easterns team on paper after seeing their roster. Well done! They'll challenge but CozenLaw is right, studs and riches at Mis. DeSales has two really good forwards and enough at PG to fill the 2 and 3. I easily see them and Mis in the finals again.

What's up at Kings?  Playoffs just a few short years ago and now a perennial last place team.  For a long time they were a very tough physical team with talent  on the roster.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 14, 2017, 11:23:46 AM
Yeah not sure what is going on with Kings. Did they bring in anyone of note?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mailsy on November 14, 2017, 12:41:30 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on November 14, 2017, 11:16:33 AM
I heard Beck is on campus sitting out, taking classes. A friend was at Del vals scrimmage at Abright (he is an alumni) and asked the coach about him- also said they were sloppy. Even with Beck who could have been maybe their best player, they don't have enough for the playoffs. Close to wilkes and Manhattanville IMO but behind them.

Really impressed with Easterns team on paper after seeing their roster. Well done! They'll challenge but CozenLaw is right, studs and riches at Mis. DeSales has two really good forwards and enough at PG to fill the 2 and 3. I easily see them and Mis in the finals again.

What's up at Kings?  Playoffs just a few short years ago and now a perennial last place team.  For a long time they were a very tough physical team with talent  on the roster.

So what do you think of Eastern's chances against Cabrini on opening night? They did beat the Cavs 2 years ago on their home court on a last second shot. All time Battle for Eagle Road(since Eastern left for the MAC) Cabrini leads 8-1.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on November 14, 2017, 03:05:52 PM
I like Cabrini but must admit not super familiar with the CSAC. Eastern lost athleticism and played very much uptempo last year. They lost three starters all of who were very talented for the Freedom (Turk POY, 6-6 Holley a shot making face 4 and their 3 year starting PG). I like the two post players (Pena, Perez), the fact the have two legit shooters (3 and 20 maybe) and certainly have a question mark at PG. Pena is a monster at the 5.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on November 14, 2017, 03:06:38 PM
Not from the roster. Looked up new players and nothing jumped out on high school highlight film or the IMAC transfer.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 16, 2017, 09:19:50 AM
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This is a great listen with talk of all NEPA college basketball and some D1 talk. Of course the most in-depth talk was on Scranton and starts at the 16 minute mark. Some good nuggets for Royal fans.
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Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 16, 2017, 04:32:47 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on November 14, 2017, 11:16:33 AM
I heard Beck is on campus sitting out, taking classes. A friend was at Del vals scrimmage at Abright (he is an alumni) and asked the coach about him- also said they were sloppy. Even with Beck who could have been maybe their best player, they don't have enough for the playoffs. Close to wilkes and Manhattanville IMO but behind them.

Really impressed with Easterns team on paper after seeing their roster. Well done! They'll challenge but CozenLaw is right, studs and riches at Mis. DeSales has two really good forwards and enough at PG to fill the 2 and 3. I easily see them and Mis in the finals again.

What's up at Kings?  Playoffs just a few short years ago and now a perennial last place team.  For a long time they were a very tough physical team with talent  on the roster.

I wasn't at the game last night, but I see that DelVal's two top scores (from the boxscore) were the freshman, Washington and Robinson. I've heard they are long and can jump out of the building but are skinny. I don't mean slight.........I mean skinny. From what I can see, there aren't any senior's of consequence getting big minutes and I guess if Beck is hanging around, he'll have a couple of years of eligibility left (and from a DeSales player who knows him, would be their best player and one of the best in the MAC) along with Russell and Britton. After last year's surprise of being picked 6th by the coaches and finishing first in the regular season.........and after losing the stud PG and the conference's best big, a fallback year can't be a surprise, especially when two very green freshmen will be counted on so heavily. From what I've been told, other than a few exceptions, the best players in the MAC this year are primarily juniors. Not a top to bottom great senior class and not a killer sophomore class. Who knows. I don't even know how my contacts know that level of detail about the rosters of eight teams before the first game is played. It's all conjecture.

One of my buddy's is good friends with a MAC assistant coach and a NEAC head coach and the MAC coach expects DelVal to be right back in the mix next year as they brought on an assistant coach (don't know who) who is very involved in the AAU circuit (lower level........not the D1 one-and-done types of course) and is networked everywhere and that the hire was good given his coaching experience, but will be excellent for recruiting. We'll see.

The boxscores from last night, unless I've got the names wrong (and can't trust my friends "in the know"), do show that the transfers that I pointed out in my last post (Eastern's transfer from Ithaca and Miser's transfer from I don't remember where) showed well last night. I mentioned last year, especially with the cost associated with four year private institutions (although some somehow "find" more money to give out than others), you will see more transfers in the years to come. Not at NESCAC schools where the average aid package is in the mid-$50's for all students and better for some athletes (Amherst as a real life example), but in many conferences. What goes on in wrestling is insane and it will never get near that level, but you will see more of it.

Here's hoping for a great and injury free season to all of the teams and players in all of our local conferences.

P.S. I can't add anything to the King's question but what I will say that given stagnant or shrinking financial aid budgets, adding a sport like hockey and it's inherent expenses certainly won't help in acquiring athletes hoping for a fat package. King's is up and running.........Wilkes delayed it a year and now go live for 2018-2019. The non-football and non-wrestling (and now hockey) D3 schools will always have an advantage over those who offer the full menu of sports, from a total aid standpoint. A former conference commissioner once told me that's why so many D3 schools don't have a football program and that most who do a feasibility study on the matter, decide against it (Alvernia went the other way..........but they offer neither wrestling nor hockey). The funds to start up the program are one thing..........it's an entirely different matter for ongoing annual operating expenses as well as financial aid. I've never done it, but I might just look at the totality of the  MAC, CSAC and local NEAC schools to see how many have football and wrestling programs. My senses tell me that there might be more who don't than do. 
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 16, 2017, 04:52:29 PM
Who was the stud recruit Misercordia brought in?  Did he play last night?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on November 16, 2017, 11:41:28 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on November 16, 2017, 04:52:29 PM
Who was the stud recruit Misercordia brought in?  Did he play last night?

#2 Tyrell Mann. I don't know him nor have I seen him but I believe this is the player of topic. 9 pts on 4-7 and 4 rebounds. 3 fouls, 3 turnovers.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on November 17, 2017, 12:02:42 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 16, 2017, 04:32:47 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on November 14, 2017, 11:16:33 AM
I heard Beck is on campus sitting out, taking classes. A friend was at Del vals scrimmage at Abright (he is an alumni) and asked the coach about him- also said they were sloppy. Even with Beck who could have been maybe their best player, they don't have enough for the playoffs. Close to wilkes and Manhattanville IMO but behind them.

Really impressed with Easterns team on paper after seeing their roster. Well done! They'll challenge but CozenLaw is right, studs and riches at Mis. DeSales has two really good forwards and enough at PG to fill the 2 and 3. I easily see them and Mis in the finals again.

What's up at Kings?  Playoffs just a few short years ago and now a perennial last place team.  For a long time they were a very tough physical team with talent  on the roster.

I wasn't at the game last night, but I see that DelVal's two top scores (from the boxscore) were the freshman, Washington and Robinson. I've heard they are long and can jump out of the building but are skinny. I don't mean slight.........I mean skinny. From what I can see, there aren't any senior's of consequence getting big minutes and I guess if Beck is hanging around, he'll have a couple of years of eligibility left (and from a DeSales player who knows him, would be their best player and one of the best in the MAC) along with Russell and Britton. After last year's surprise of being picked 6th by the coaches and finishing first in the regular season.........and after losing the stud PG and the conference's best big, a fallback year can't be a surprise, especially when two very green freshmen will be counted on so heavily. From what I've been told, other than a few exceptions, the best players in the MAC this year are primarily juniors. Not a top to bottom great senior class and not a killer sophomore class. Who knows. I don't even know how my contacts know that level of detail about the rosters of eight teams before the first game is played. It's all conjecture.

One of my buddy's is good friends with a MAC assistant coach and a NEAC head coach and the MAC coach expects DelVal to be right back in the mix next year as they brought on an assistant coach (don't know who) who is very involved in the AAU circuit (lower level........not the D1 one-and-done types of course) and is networked everywhere and that the hire was good given his coaching experience, but will be excellent for recruiting. We'll see.

The boxscores from last night, unless I've got the names wrong (and can't trust my friends "in the know"), do show that the transfers that I pointed out in my last post (Eastern's transfer from Ithaca and Miser's transfer from I don't remember where) showed well last night. I mentioned last year, especially with the cost associated with four year private institutions (although some somehow "find" more money to give out than others), you will see more transfers in the years to come. Not at NESCAC schools where the average aid package is in the mid-$50's for all students and better for some athletes (Amherst as a real life example), but in many conferences. What goes on in wrestling is insane and it will never get near that level, but you will see more of it.

Here's hoping for a great and injury free season to all of the teams and players in all of our local conferences.

P.S. I can't add anything to the King's question but what I will say that given stagnant or shrinking financial aid budgets, adding a sport like hockey and it's inherent expenses certainly won't help in acquiring athletes hoping for a fat package. King's is up and running.........Wilkes delayed it a year and now go live for 2018-2019. The non-football and non-wrestling (and now hockey) D3 schools will always have an advantage over those who offer the full menu of sports, from a total aid standpoint. A former conference commissioner once told me that's why so many D3 schools don't have a football program and that most who do a feasibility study on the matter, decide against it (Alvernia went the other way..........but they offer neither wrestling nor hockey). The funds to start up the program are one thing..........it's an entirely different matter for ongoing annual operating expenses as well as financial aid. I've never done it, but I might just look at the totality of the  MAC, CSAC and local NEAC schools to see how many have football and wrestling programs. My senses tell me that there might be more who don't than do.

Was this the assistant that was let go/left PSU Abington? I think the head coach at DVU can recruit- Beck, Britton, Washington and Robinson aren't a bad four to add for a first recruiting class as a head coach- after one game of course. Obviously losing Beck for the year to injury hurts that.

Although assistant coaches are valuable, as a part time D3 assistant, your impact is capped from a recruiting standpoint somewhat I would imagine. To me it seems like an assistant trying to jump on with a program that has won to get another chance at being a HC. Certainly nothing wrong with that. And a young head coach being confident enough to surround themselves with people with ego's (Just kidding, all coaches have small ego's  ;D ) - I do however think it says something about the coach to have 4 former head coaches on staff- probably how they went from 6 to 1 last year along with the two seniors. The coach pulled a rabbit out of his hat in year one, after an awful loss last night, he may need to hope there is another rabbit down there somewhere- because here comes Wilkes and Manhattanville for the #4 seed. I'll pull a JMCOZENLAW line from early last year- If Del Val sniffs the playoffs, he will get another plaque in the office for COY. But as of now, I can not see them competing with Eastern, Mis, DeSales. No size, shooting and minimum experience. Although Del Val seems like the place where if they can get a few athletes to start to play together, then can be a real tough out. Either way, fall back year seems beyond fair/generous.

I agree with you on the league. The Juniors are the best and it's not close. Look at the back court of Del Val (Ciuculli, Matsinye, Butler), Wilkes with Evans and Robinson, Eastern with Pena and one of the Austin's (two kids named Austin, one a junior I think), Kenny and Mann at Mis..... Seniors are D3 role players, limited sophomores outside of Cobb, big kid from DeSalles and Harding from Mis.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 19, 2017, 12:10:29 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on November 16, 2017, 04:52:29 PM
Who was the stud recruit Misercordia brought in?  Did he play last night?

Tyerell Mann (JUCO transfer) - Shooting guard with the best handle on the team so sharing point with Kenny. Closer to 6'4" than 6'3", long arms, athletic as hell, can leap out of the building. Last night @ Muhlenberg in the championship of the Scotty Wood Tournament, his line was:

26 points (in 32 minutes) on 11-14 shooting, 6 rebounds and 2 of Miser's 4 steals. He's is just getting acclimated to his teammates and I was told that he deferred to them quite a bit in the first two games and was told last night to "play his game".

If last night is "his game" and you add him to Kenny, Rivera, Fields, Rodway and McCreary, if they stay healthy, Misericordia might run the table in the MAC during the regular season and in the playoffs as well.

On two other JUCO transfer notes.....................JUCO transfer PG Calil Moultrie had 24 points and 26 points in two of Alvernia's games so far and Lancaster Bible College's best player has also been a JUCO transfer (Christo Majok), 6'7" (arms down to his knees), another out of the gym leaper, averaging 18 points and 8 rebounds in LBC's first three games against non-NEAC teams.

Coaching is important.................but championships are won in the recruiting season (Nick Saban would not beat Alabama with Kent State's roster............Coach K and Calipari would not beat Duke and Kentucky with the rosters of Penn State and Vanderbilt. The greatest coaches can "beat yours with mine........and beat mine with yours") ;)

The transfer game is alive and well.................and growing!!

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 19, 2017, 12:29:30 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on November 17, 2017, 12:02:42 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 16, 2017, 04:32:47 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on November 14, 2017, 11:16:33 AM
I heard Beck is on campus sitting out, taking classes. A friend was at Del vals scrimmage at Abright (he is an alumni) and asked the coach about him- also said they were sloppy. Even with Beck who could have been maybe their best player, they don't have enough for the playoffs. Close to wilkes and Manhattanville IMO but behind them.

Really impressed with Easterns team on paper after seeing their roster. Well done! They'll challenge but CozenLaw is right, studs and riches at Mis. DeSales has two really good forwards and enough at PG to fill the 2 and 3. I easily see them and Mis in the finals again.

What's up at Kings?  Playoffs just a few short years ago and now a perennial last place team.  For a long time they were a very tough physical team with talent  on the roster.

I wasn't at the game last night, but I see that DelVal's two top scores (from the boxscore) were the freshman, Washington and Robinson. I've heard they are long and can jump out of the building but are skinny. I don't mean slight.........I mean skinny. From what I can see, there aren't any senior's of consequence getting big minutes and I guess if Beck is hanging around, he'll have a couple of years of eligibility left (and from a DeSales player who knows him, would be their best player and one of the best in the MAC) along with Russell and Britton. After last year's surprise of being picked 6th by the coaches and finishing first in the regular season.........and after losing the stud PG and the conference's best big, a fallback year can't be a surprise, especially when two very green freshmen will be counted on so heavily. From what I've been told, other than a few exceptions, the best players in the MAC this year are primarily juniors. Not a top to bottom great senior class and not a killer sophomore class. Who knows. I don't even know how my contacts know that level of detail about the rosters of eight teams before the first game is played. It's all conjecture.

One of my buddy's is good friends with a MAC assistant coach and a NEAC head coach and the MAC coach expects DelVal to be right back in the mix next year as they brought on an assistant coach (don't know who) who is very involved in the AAU circuit (lower level........not the D1 one-and-done types of course) and is networked everywhere and that the hire was good given his coaching experience, but will be excellent for recruiting. We'll see.

The boxscores from last night, unless I've got the names wrong (and can't trust my friends "in the know"), do show that the transfers that I pointed out in my last post (Eastern's transfer from Ithaca and Miser's transfer from I don't remember where) showed well last night. I mentioned last year, especially with the cost associated with four year private institutions (although some somehow "find" more money to give out than others), you will see more transfers in the years to come. Not at NESCAC schools where the average aid package is in the mid-$50's for all students and better for some athletes (Amherst as a real life example), but in many conferences. What goes on in wrestling is insane and it will never get near that level, but you will see more of it.

Here's hoping for a great and injury free season to all of the teams and players in all of our local conferences.

P.S. I can't add anything to the King's question but what I will say that given stagnant or shrinking financial aid budgets, adding a sport like hockey and it's inherent expenses certainly won't help in acquiring athletes hoping for a fat package. King's is up and running.........Wilkes delayed it a year and now go live for 2018-2019. The non-football and non-wrestling (and now hockey) D3 schools will always have an advantage over those who offer the full menu of sports, from a total aid standpoint. A former conference commissioner once told me that's why so many D3 schools don't have a football program and that most who do a feasibility study on the matter, decide against it (Alvernia went the other way..........but they offer neither wrestling nor hockey). The funds to start up the program are one thing..........it's an entirely different matter for ongoing annual operating expenses as well as financial aid. I've never done it, but I might just look at the totality of the  MAC, CSAC and local NEAC schools to see how many have football and wrestling programs. My senses tell me that there might be more who don't than do.

Was this the assistant that was let go/left PSU Abington? I think the head coach at DVU can recruit- Beck, Britton, Washington and Robinson aren't a bad four to add for a first recruiting class as a head coach- after one game of course. Obviously losing Beck for the year to injury hurts that.

Although assistant coaches are valuable, as a part time D3 assistant, your impact is capped from a recruiting standpoint somewhat I would imagine. To me it seems like an assistant trying to jump on with a program that has won to get another chance at being a HC. Certainly nothing wrong with that. And a young head coach being confident enough to surround themselves with people with ego's (Just kidding, all coaches have small ego's  ;D ) - I do however think it says something about the coach to have 4 former head coaches on staff- probably how they went from 6 to 1 last year along with the two seniors. The coach pulled a rabbit out of his hat in year one, after an awful loss last night, he may need to hope there is another rabbit down there somewhere- because here comes Wilkes and Manhattanville for the #4 seed. I'll pull a JMCOZENLAW line from early last year- If Del Val sniffs the playoffs, he will get another plaque in the office for COY. But as of now, I can not see them competing with Eastern, Mis, DeSales. No size, shooting and minimum experience. Although Del Val seems like the place where if they can get a few athletes to start to play together, then can be a real tough out. Either way, fall back year seems beyond fair/generous.

I agree with you on the league. The Juniors are the best and it's not close. Look at the back court of Del Val (Ciuculli, Matsinye, Butler), Wilkes with Evans and Robinson, Eastern with Pena and one of the Austin's (two kids named Austin, one a junior I think), Kenny and Mann at Mis..... Seniors are D3 role players, limited sophomores outside of Cobb, big kid from DeSalles and Harding from Mis.

I'm not sure where the assistant coach is from and neither was my contact. I agree with you on his first recruiting class as a head coach (Beck, Britton, Robinson and Washington) but after losing yesterday to a Wilson College team that was picked 11th (behind teams like Bryn Athyn, Keuke, St. Elizabeth) out of 14 teams in a pretty dreadful NEAC..........and not seeing Ciuculli's name in the boxscore on Friday or Saturday..........they might be lucky to win 5 games this year as the non-MAC schedule is brutal after Tuesday and my DeSales buddy doesn't see more than 2 or 3 MAC wins for them, especially if Ciuculli is out for a while or for the season.

This year should be about developing the kids (and making sure they don't get down in what will be a non-DelVal year over the last decade or so), improving as the season goes on and bringing in four impact freshmen/young transfers (at least 2, if not 3 years left) like the sophomore from Ithaca that Eastern brought in and the juniors that Misericordia, Alvernia and Lancaster Bible just brought in. Add a player or two with size AND bulk, a player or two at the guard spots and add them to Butler, Matsenyee, Ciuculli, Beck, Britton, Russell, Washington and Robinson and they are fighting for a playoff spot in 2018-2019. I don't know the coach at all........but I wouldn't put it past him.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on November 20, 2017, 03:52:03 PM
Ciuculli broke his foot in the opener against Immaculata.

I'm afraid it's going to be one of those years for the DVU men.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on November 21, 2017, 09:05:01 AM
Week two started off with a King's win moving them to 2-1. Not sure many had King's over Susquehanna.

Tonight (Manhattanville and Kings off):

FDU v Stevens- Stevens 81 FDU 68

PSU Wilkes v Wilkes- Wilkes 77 PSUW 60

PSU Berks v Del Val- Del Val 71 PSUB 70

DeSales vs Moravian- Moravian 93 DeSalles 77

Rosemont v Misericordia- Mis 101 Rosemont 85

Eastern v Albright- Albright 74 Eastern 72
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 21, 2017, 12:26:56 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 19, 2017, 12:10:29 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on November 16, 2017, 04:52:29 PM
Who was the stud recruit Misercordia brought in?  Did he play last night?

Tyerell Mann (JUCO transfer) - Shooting guard with the best handle on the team so sharing point with Kenny. Closer to 6'4" than 6'3", long arms, athletic as hell, can leap out of the building. Last night @ Muhlenberg in the championship of the Scotty Wood Tournament, his line was:

26 points (in 32 minutes) on 11-14 shooting, 6 rebounds and 2 of Miser's 4 steals. He's is just getting acclimated to his teammates and I was told that he deferred to them quite a bit in the first two games and was told last night to "play his game".

If last night is "his game" and you add him to Kenny, Rivera, Fields, Rodway and McCreary, if they stay healthy, Misericordia might run the table in the MAC during the regular season and in the playoffs as well.

On two other JUCO transfer notes.....................JUCO transfer PG Calil Moultrie had 24 points and 26 points in two of Alvernia's games so far and Lancaster Bible College's best player has also been a JUCO transfer (Christo Majok), 6'7" (arms down to his knees), another out of the gym leaper, averaging 18 points and 8 rebounds in LBC's first three games against non-NEAC teams.

Coaching is important.................but championships are won in the recruiting season (Nick Saban would not beat Alabama with Kent State's roster............Coach K and Calipari would not beat Duke and Kentucky with the rosters of Penn State and Vanderbilt. The greatest coaches can "beat yours with mine........and beat mine with yours") ;)

The transfer game is alive and well.................and growing!!

CCHoopster - Did you see Mann's (Miser's JUCO transfer) boxscore (above) from Saturday's game? Have you seen him play?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on November 21, 2017, 04:01:00 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 21, 2017, 12:26:56 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 19, 2017, 12:10:29 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on November 16, 2017, 04:52:29 PM
Who was the stud recruit Misercordia brought in?  Did he play last night?

Tyerell Mann (JUCO transfer) - Shooting guard with the best handle on the team so sharing point with Kenny. Closer to 6'4" than 6'3", long arms, athletic as hell, can leap out of the building. Last night @ Muhlenberg in the championship of the Scotty Wood Tournament, his line was:

26 points (in 32 minutes) on 11-14 shooting, 6 rebounds and 2 of Miser's 4 steals. He's is just getting acclimated to his teammates and I was told that he deferred to them quite a bit in the first two games and was told last night to "play his game".

If last night is "his game" and you add him to Kenny, Rivera, Fields, Rodway and McCreary, if they stay healthy, Misericordia might run the table in the MAC during the regular season and in the playoffs as well.

On two other JUCO transfer notes.....................JUCO transfer PG Calil Moultrie had 24 points and 26 points in two of Alvernia's games so far and Lancaster Bible College's best player has also been a JUCO transfer (Christo Majok), 6'7" (arms down to his knees), another out of the gym leaper, averaging 18 points and 8 rebounds in LBC's first three games against non-NEAC teams.

Coaching is important.................but championships are won in the recruiting season (Nick Saban would not beat Alabama with Kent State's roster............Coach K and Calipari would not beat Duke and Kentucky with the rosters of Penn State and Vanderbilt. The greatest coaches can "beat yours with mine........and beat mine with yours") ;)

The transfer game is alive and well.................and growing!!

CCHoopster - Did you see Mann's (Miser's JUCO transfer) boxscore (above) from Saturday's game? Have you seen him play?

I did see the line, have not seen him play. Looks like a talent!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on November 25, 2017, 09:30:14 PM
Interesting week in the Freedom.

DeSales over Moravian- did not see that happening.

Eastern followed up 2 tough non conference losses with a great win at Commonwealth playoff hopeful Albright. Big win for Eastern on the rode without their forward transfer.

Kings followed up a 1-1 opening week with a
1-1 week two. A win vs Clarks Summitt followed up by a 6 point loss to scranton is a good week for kings.

Del Val is losing in a hurry- people and games. 9 healthy guys (per article) last 2-3 games. No Ciuculli, Britton, Robinson in box scores now for two games. 4 game misses for Ciuculli. Talents not there on the court.

Manhattanville with a quietly good start. Have not beaten anyone of note but a strong start. Could be a wildcard.

FDU with a loss today. Seems to be much of the same from them. I can't see how they turn it around this year in conference. But Kings beat Susquehanna so who knows!!

Wilkes is 3-1 with two wins vs non D3 teams. I noticed their starter at PG from last year has not been in the lineup. Several teams missing key pieces this week.

Misericordia... shocked they lost to Rosemont fully healthy. Could have just been one of those days. I can't see them scoring under 70 very often either. They showed they are beatable in conference with this loss- I only see a few of those though. This is the easy favorite still through 2 weeks.

Updated picks

Misericordia
Eastern
DeSaes
Manhattanville
Wilkes
Kings
Del Val
FDU

Saturday nights at work always better during the season!



Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 27, 2017, 07:53:44 AM
Congrats to Marywood,yes Marywood I'm winning the cross county challenge. Scranton looks lost but still managed to beat Kings. Both Kings and Wilkes lost to Marywood. Maybe I should come back to this page to talk hoops as the Landmark is quite.

I can hear cold case from heaven pontificating on the state of NEPA basketball
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on November 29, 2017, 09:14:16 AM
Come on over NEPAFAN!

Tonight:

Wiles 73 Drew 68

Mis 88 Susquehanna 79

Moravian 91 DVU 72

Arcadia 77 DeSales 71

Easter 83 Goucner 69


Good win, on the road I think, by Kings last night.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on November 30, 2017, 10:21:09 PM
Slightly off, as usual, in my predictions. Did not watch any but read some box scores and recaps.

Wilkes seems to be coming along. What once looked like a major win vs Scranton (still good) now has settled. Congrats to #11 Pecorelli for scoring 30 points- 6/7 on three point attempts! Where has Connor Evans been for WU?

I imagine Misericordia and Susquehanna are probably both thinking they would be sitting differently. Looks like Mis is losing confidence in their bench, only 2 points. Good win for SU.

What seemed to be a good game at halftime ended in another double digit loss, this time to Moravian, for DVU. Del Val's box score show's no Britton, Ciunculli, Robinson. Obviously no Beck. Long road the next few months.

What I thought would reflect a young and inexperienced team, is becoming a team that is learning to win. DeSales pulled out a great second half to beat Arcadia on the road. They have a shot to contend for the conference this.

Eastern with an easy one over Goucher. No Pena in the box score for EU.

Manhattanville fell to Suny Purchase.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 01, 2017, 09:24:22 AM
CC,

Thanks for the invite. Do you have a team in the MAC Freedom?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on December 01, 2017, 04:54:57 PM
I don't. I went to a D3, kids played a little at small colleges. Nephew played last year. I live along route 222 in Lancaster County Pa. I'm surrounded by MACC, MACF and Centennial Schools. Mainly a huge D3 fan!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on January 02, 2018, 10:06:20 PM
Picks for the first night of MAC Freedom play.

Eastern 91 vs DeSales 82

Misericordia 74 @ Manhattanville 63

Del Val 68 @ Kings 64

Wilkes 84 FDU Florham 71

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2018, 05:43:00 PM
Men's first regional rankings this season: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2018, 02:02:49 PM
Week 2 Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on February 19, 2018, 08:03:04 AM
DeSales over Eastern
Wilkes over Misericordia

Eastern over Wilkes

Eastern first round upset in NCAA's. You need a PG and big (Pena, Chapman) and two knockdown shooters (James, Washington) and you can win a weekend. I think they have it.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: mailsy on February 19, 2018, 08:29:35 AM
Quote from: CCHoopster on February 19, 2018, 08:03:04 AM
DeSales over Eastern
Wilkes over Misericordia

Eastern over Wilkes

Eastern first round upset in NCAA's. You need a PG and big (Pena, Chapman) and two knockdown shooters (James, Washington) and you can win a weekend. I think they have it.

I like your optimism. But don't you mean Eastern OVER DeSales?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on February 19, 2018, 01:23:16 PM
CCHoopster!!!!! I was beginning to think you were in a coma (or worse), or moved to Guam and gave up on D-III hoops. I saw a December 1, 2017 post, a January 2 post.................and nothing until today. You were a couple of times per week poster and a game predictor in a previous incarnation. :)

I didn't see a ton of MAC Freedom ball myself this year as a blind man could have picked the top four teams given the roster composition/returning players. I actually saw quite a bit of Lancaster Bible College, as I know many of the people at the college. The place has really grown over the past 5-10 years. Herbie Brown is a stud..............a smaller, beardless, poor man's James Harden. My school, Swarthmore, lost a couple of game's they shouldn't have, but still have a reasonable chance at the AQ.

The Eagles run to a Super Bowl actually consumed me this year and hoops of any kind took a backseat. On another note, I might have missed this one in the preseason when I wrote about the number of impact transfers in the MAC. Besides Perez, the sophomore transfer from Ithaca, Eastern's top scorer (Chapman) was a senior transfer from a NAIA school (his 3rd college someone told me). I'll say it until the cow's come home. You'll see more of it going forward, trust me. Even at Lancaster Bible's senior day on Saturday, I heard through the grapevine about something that might literally be a first. There were four seniors honored. One was a four year player (Herbie Brown). The other three were all transfers AND three, two and one year players at that. Now THAT is some unique transfer trivia. :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2018, 02:43:46 PM
The NCAA men's basketball regional advisory committees released their third set of rankings, and as expected, the Atlantic Region was among those getting shuffled. Here's the full list: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-third

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdnak1.psbin.com%2Fimg%2Fmw%3D600%2Fmh%3D600%2Fcr%3Dn%2Fd%3D4ima3%2Fdinflo07zg1qa2ww.jpg&hash=686d8e036c15a7019bc8f4723e2af35008adc158)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on March 07, 2018, 04:59:55 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on February 19, 2018, 01:23:16 PM
CCHoopster!!!!! I was beginning to think you were in a coma (or worse), or moved to Guam and gave up on D-III hoops. I saw a December 1, 2017 post, a January 2 post.................and nothing until today. You were a couple of times per week poster and a game predictor in a previous incarnation. :)

I didn't see a ton of MAC Freedom ball myself this year as a blind man could have picked the top four teams given the roster composition/returning players. I actually saw quite a bit of Lancaster Bible College, as I know many of the people at the college. The place has really grown over the past 5-10 years. Herbie Brown is a stud..............a smaller, beardless, poor man's James Harden. My school, Swarthmore, lost a couple of game's they shouldn't have, but still have a reasonable chance at the AQ.

The Eagles run to a Super Bowl actually consumed me this year and hoops of any kind took a backseat. On another note, I might have missed this one in the preseason when I wrote about the number of impact transfers in the MAC. Besides Perez, the sophomore transfer from Ithaca, Eastern's top scorer (Chapman) was a senior transfer from a NAIA school (his 3rd college someone told me). I'll say it until the cow's come home. You'll see more of it going forward, trust me. Even at Lancaster Bible's senior day on Saturday, I heard through the grapevine about something that might literally be a first. There were four seniors honored. One was a four year player (Herbie Brown). The other three were all transfers AND three, two and one year players at that. Now THAT is some unique transfer trivia. :)

My health took a turn in mid December after a dermatology appointment- spent a month on melanoma treatment and feeling much better just the past few weeks. Young people, USE SUNBLOCK!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Mike Rejniak on March 12, 2018, 11:24:35 AM
​Dear D3 Faithful ;D,
     I have read many of your posts throughout the years and even met some of you in person, but for those who I haven't met, let me introduce myself: my name is Michael Rejniak and I have spent over 14 years coaching Division 3 basketball and love what our division has done and continues to do for  the sport of basketball. One of the greatest things about Division 3 basketball is the brotherhood that we all have with one another (coaches and players alike). My wish is to showcase the talents of D3 on a national stage in The Basketball Tournament (TBT).  You may have heard me speak about this on the Hoopsville Marathon with Dave McHugh of D3hoops.com (at the 6:11 mark). The TBT is a national tournament that is televised in July/August on ESPN after the NBA season is over. My goal is to put forth an all-star D3 team (current players are ineligible) and have them compete in this tournament to take on Former D1 / semi-pro's to prove that D3 deserves the same respect as other NCAA divisions. The team is mostly complete with former student-athletes from all over the country competing. Once the roster is complete we will be sure to release it through d3hoops. Former Babson College National Champion Matthew Droney '17 will also be assisting me on this journey.

How YOU can help our former elite D3 basketball players

While the end prize of this tournament is a monetary prize, being a D3-lifer, the goal is not the money (we all know that's not why we get into coaching), the goal is to bring an end to the stigma of Division 3 basketball, an awareness of how talented our student-athletes are and that we can compete (and win) against the best. We do need to raise funds for an entry fee, travel, meal and housing expenses for the athletes. In order to do this, we are conducting a crowd-funding campaign through GoFundMe to help make this a reality. These athletes need your support! Just think -- if every Division 3 school donated just $10, we will have raised over $4,000!!!! The link to the GoFundMe Page is below and please SPREAD THE WORD and email me with any questions/concerns at WeAreD3TBT@gmail.com. Thank you in advance for your support and Dave and I look forward to this "D3 Dream Team" taking the court this summer.-Mike Rejniak

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Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 17, 2018, 02:56:04 PM
It appears FDU Florham's Peter Marion is out as head coach. Continuing to follow.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on May 17, 2018, 08:06:57 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 17, 2018, 02:56:04 PM
It appears FDU Florham's Peter Marion is out as head coach. Continuing to follow.

In other news, Manhattanville will be leaving the MAC. Who replaces them or does the Freedom keep 7?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 18, 2018, 02:11:45 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on May 17, 2018, 08:06:57 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 17, 2018, 02:56:04 PM
It appears FDU Florham's Peter Marion is out as head coach. Continuing to follow.

In other news, Manhattanville will be leaving the MAC. Who replaces them or does the Freedom keep 7?

There are a lot of moving parts behind the scenes... this is a wait and see one to be sure.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on May 19, 2018, 09:09:42 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 18, 2018, 02:11:45 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on May 17, 2018, 08:06:57 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 17, 2018, 02:56:04 PM
It appears FDU Florham's Peter Marion is out as head coach. Continuing to follow.

In other news, Manhattanville will be leaving the MAC. Who replaces them or does the Freedom keep 7?

There are a lot of moving parts behind the scenes... this is a wait and see one to be sure.


Seems to be a done deal on the Skyline website:  http://skylineconference.org/news/2018/5/9/general-manhattanville-to-join-skyline-conference-in-2019-20-academic-year.aspx
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 19, 2018, 04:35:10 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on May 19, 2018, 09:09:42 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 18, 2018, 02:11:45 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on May 17, 2018, 08:06:57 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 17, 2018, 02:56:04 PM
It appears FDU Florham's Peter Marion is out as head coach. Continuing to follow.

In other news, Manhattanville will be leaving the MAC. Who replaces them or does the Freedom keep 7?

There are a lot of moving parts behind the scenes... this is a wait and see one to be sure.


Seems to be a done deal on the Skyline website:  http://skylineconference.org/news/2018/5/9/general-manhattanville-to-join-skyline-conference-in-2019-20-academic-year.aspx

I think he meant lots of moving parts with regards to a replacement team - MA teams will certainly be moving around a bit and the Atlantic will probably be affected.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 19, 2018, 10:52:37 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 19, 2018, 04:35:10 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on May 19, 2018, 09:09:42 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 18, 2018, 02:11:45 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on May 17, 2018, 08:06:57 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 17, 2018, 02:56:04 PM
It appears FDU Florham's Peter Marion is out as head coach. Continuing to follow.

In other news, Manhattanville will be leaving the MAC. Who replaces them or does the Freedom keep 7?

There are a lot of moving parts behind the scenes... this is a wait and see one to be sure.


Seems to be a done deal on the Skyline website:  http://skylineconference.org/news/2018/5/9/general-manhattanville-to-join-skyline-conference-in-2019-20-academic-year.aspx

I think he meant lots of moving parts with regards to a replacement team - MA teams will certainly be moving around a bit and the Atlantic will probably be affected.

Yes - I am referring to the future for the Freedom and ... others. There are a lot of things going on. What the Freedom (MAC) decides to do... is going to be a wait and see thing because of other moving parts not made public - or maybe not even happening (things are rather complicated from what I am putting together).
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on May 21, 2018, 09:14:51 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 19, 2018, 10:52:37 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 19, 2018, 04:35:10 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on May 19, 2018, 09:09:42 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 18, 2018, 02:11:45 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on May 17, 2018, 08:06:57 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 17, 2018, 02:56:04 PM
It appears FDU Florham's Peter Marion is out as head coach. Continuing to follow.

In other news, Manhattanville will be leaving the MAC. Who replaces them or does the Freedom keep 7?

There are a lot of moving parts behind the scenes... this is a wait and see one to be sure.


Seems to be a done deal on the Skyline website:  http://skylineconference.org/news/2018/5/9/general-manhattanville-to-join-skyline-conference-in-2019-20-academic-year.aspx

I think he meant lots of moving parts with regards to a replacement team - MA teams will certainly be moving around a bit and the Atlantic will probably be affected.

Yes - I am referring to the future for the Freedom and ... others. There are a lot of things going on. What the Freedom (MAC) decides to do... is going to be a wait and see thing because of other moving parts not made public - or maybe not even happening (things are rather complicated from what I am putting together).

Makes sense... interesting for sure. Freedom not nearly as tough as the CWealth, so if it ends up as simple as moving one over, someone could be a happy camper. Alvernia, Arcadia make sense and one could possibly reach for Lyco since there are some "mountain" schools in the Freedom (Kings, Wilkes, Mis)...
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on May 22, 2018, 09:16:43 AM
Yes, Wilkes, King's and Misericordia are definitely "mountain teams" and so IS Lycoming, but Lyco is just a tad further west!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 22, 2018, 03:15:29 PM
The trick with "moving one over" is that I think the rest of the division (which is already frustrated with the MAC's grandfather clause) is getting tired of movement to solve problems. I can't remember what was said or the specifics, but I do remember the last time the MAC moved a team to solve some of the numbers ... there were some in the division who were tired of it. They understand the grandfather clause, they aren't fans but realize it isn't changing, but they wish the two sides acted more like two conferences than one. When the conference moves a team to even numbers every few years, they act more like one conference than two and that is pushing buttons with others.

Who knows if that will be the case if that is what the MAC does again ... but I think the MAC has to be a little careful with perception. I know those in the MAC have claimed to me that no one in the division has complained to them. I don't know if that is true, but I do know there are others who are frustrated. Maybe it is also just sour grapes (you know, like in the MAC about their membership which they voted to approve in the first place LOL).
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on May 23, 2018, 03:12:14 PM
Seriously, Dave, not quite sure what you're referring to, but after 21 years of following the MAC's Del Val, i've personally always thought it was a very cool, diverse league.   Granted, Manhattanville was a bit of a trek for oldies like Hubby and me, but we've really enjoyed getting to know the other MAC schools - our particular favorites, DeSales because of great concession food and close proximity and Wilkes, just cause we love the drive and the school is so "dear".   On the other side, we love the trip to Leb Val - beautiful gym.   Mighty MAC, Dave, Mighty MAC!!!  Would also be remiss if i didn't mention Widener, coached by none other than Del Val's own, Alisa DiBonaventura Kintner!   Also a favorite, King's coached by Belvidere High School and Marywood grad, Caitlin H.   Guess you got the picture, we love our MAC!!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 23, 2018, 03:50:05 PM
Quote from: kate on May 23, 2018, 03:12:14 PM
Seriously, Dave, not quite sure what you're referring to, but after 21 years of following the MAC's Del Val, i've personally always thought it was a very cool, diverse league.   Granted, Manhattanville was a bit of a trek for oldies like Hubby and me, but we've really enjoyed getting to know the other MAC schools - our particular favorites, DeSales because of great concession food and close proximity and Wilkes, just cause we love the drive and the school is so "dear".   On the other side, we love the trip to Leb Val - beautiful gym.   Mighty MAC, Dave, Mighty MAC!!!  Would also be remiss if i didn't mention Widener, coached by none other than Del Val's own, Alisa DiBonaventura Kintner!   Also a favorite, King's coached by Belvidere High School and Marywood grad, Caitlin H.   Guess you got the picture, we love our MAC!!!

kate - I wasn't talking internally. I was talking about how the MAC is perceived outside of the MAC. I am not sure how when I discuss these things those like yourself don't quite understand ... the MAC has a grandfather clause that basically allows it to be two conferences despite the fact it is really one conference (one office, one commissioner, etc.). As a result of the grandfather, the Commonwealth and the Freedom enjoy AQs each. Two bids.

Go around the country and look at other large conferences. ASC, USA South, NEAC, etc., etc. They all get ONE bid. They each have divisions (like the Commonwealth and the Freedom), but they get ONE bid. They will NEVER be allowed two bids.

The problem many in the rest of the division have is this exact difference. The MAC can have essentially two divisions and get two bids; no other conference can have two bids. What I believe draws more ire from those outside is when the MAC decides to solve number problems between the Commonwealth and Freedom by simply moving teams around. Move team from one group to the other. Problem solved. It is the same that other conferences do with their divisions if need be, but again ... the MAC has two bids and is supposed to act like they are two difference conferences, but when they simply move teams around the MAC acts like they are divisions.

Those on the outside wish the Commonwealth and the Freedom didn't have the MAC commonality to many extents. Having one office, one commissioner, one set of rules basically for both ... and sometimes treating them like divisions instead of separate conferences bugs people. Normally when switching conferences there are several steps, applications, and whatnot to fill out. In the MAC, they simply switch sides.

This has nothing to do with how you or others think of the MAC from the inside. It is relatively diverse (less so than you make it seem), though it has had a very diverse history. You are welcome to keep loving the conference. I never said otherwise. I'm simply pointing out that outside of the conference and the region, the MAC confuses and frustrates other people and conferences. I am quite sure it confuses them more when they contact the NCAA office asking if they can have two bids for their two-division sports ... and the NCAA says no.

That is what I am referring to.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on May 23, 2018, 03:57:01 PM
Thanks Dave!   Of course, for football we just have that one bid - personally, I'd love to see more schools (outside the MAC now) added.   That's just me and thanks, again for the explanation!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 23, 2018, 04:51:04 PM
Quote from: kate on May 23, 2018, 03:57:01 PM
Thanks Dave!   Of course, for football we just have that one bid - personally, I'd love to see more schools (outside the MAC now) added.   That's just me and thanks, again for the explanation!

Yes - football has one bid and maybe other sports (didn't look it up)... that I think adds to the fire, but that isn't that big a deal IMHO.

Not sure adding schools to the MAC is the right move. Make the conference too big and there are bigger problems internally. :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on May 24, 2018, 10:21:44 PM
I've been posting about some of the conversations that have been going on behind the scenes for quite some time......................and some of them are coming to fruition. The conference reshuffling game is just getting ramped up and could be significant over the next couple of years. Some tidbits (and whether some of these mean anything or nothing to the board, most will have direct or six-degrees-of-Kevin-Bacon-indirect repercussions as time moves on:

- Lancaster Bible College is desperately trying to get out of the NEAC as Bryn Athyn and Wilson leave the NEAC for the remaining CSAC and the New York schools in the Northern division of the NEAC aren't long for the NEAC as well. Somebody very close to the matter (maybe Wags has some insight) told me that LBC blew an opportunity to join the slimmed down CSAC. The invite was there.......and they blew it. LBC is putting money into facilities and adding sports. The NEAC may very well not be around in a couple of years, especially if the quiet movement to bring the PSU schools back together actually happens

- Manhattanville is the first of a handful of schools in the MAC (both conferences) that has had discussions with other conferences to possibly make a move. Manhattanville WILL NOT be the last. Manhattanville was a geographical outlier to the north as Stevenson is to the south.

- I heard that the CAC (with three MD schools and York across the state line) has had quiet conversations with Stevenson but have not heard how those conversations are progressing. I have heard that if Stevenson were to make such a move, the football team might possibly make a move to the NJAC (to join two other MD teams) and the MAC would have no problem with that at all, in fact, they might push for such a move BECAUSE...............word should be coming out within the next several months regarding at least one, if not two, current MAC schools adding football. The same person who told me about Alvernia football a couple of years before it happened (as well as Alvernia wrestling as well) has given me some info that I can't mention here BUT Alvernia now makes 11 MAC football teams. Keystone could make 12. Subtract Stevenson and back to 11. Subtract another unnamed team that might be announcing a conference move in the not to distant future and now the MAC is back to 10. Add two new MAC schools and get to 12, with two, six team divisions........................until the next round of conference roulette. :)

- The Arcadia move to the new Atlantic East is not permanently dead so I don't see the Commonwealth "sending" them to the Freedom. Some within Arcadia are smelling themselves a bit too much. A name change from Beaver College to Arcadia does not make one M.I.T. ;)

- FDU is also having internal discussions about their future in the MAC but I have no clue where they could move that would make sense, at least under the current iteration of conferences.

- Keep the names Misericordia and Lycoming in mind. Nothing specific at this point. If it happens, you'll say, "JM told me to keep these two schools in mind".

- Holy Family (Northeast Philadelphia) is considering a move down to D-III. 50/50 at this point.

- I heard a few rumors about what the CAC might be looking at for it's future viability and survival. There have been quiet conversations with a MAC school or two. They would love.........and Messiah is slowlyyyyyyyyyy warming up to the idea.

I don't know how much of this ever comes to fruition. I'm pretty confident about a lot of the LBC/NEAC/CSAC stuff and feel the same way about the future of football in the MAC. The rest of the stuff, we'll see. Possible? Sure, what isn't. Probable? In bits and pieces. :)

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 25, 2018, 12:40:54 AM
I've been following this behind the scenes for quite a bit, especially since we broke the story last year about the AEC. Thoughts below:

Quote from: jmcozenlaw on May 24, 2018, 10:21:44 PM
I've been posting about some of the conversations that have been going on behind the scenes for quite some time......................and some of them are coming to fruition. The conference reshuffling game is just getting ramped up and could be significant over the next couple of years. Some tidbits (and whether some of these mean anything or nothing to the board, most will have direct or six-degrees-of-Kevin-Bacon-indirect repercussions as time moves on:

- Lancaster Bible College is desperately trying to get out of the NEAC as Bryn Athyn and Wilson leave the NEAC for the remaining CSAC and the New York schools in the Northern division of the NEAC aren't long for the NEAC as well. Somebody very close to the matter (maybe Wags has some insight) told me that LBC blew an opportunity to join the slimmed down CSAC. The invite was there.......and they blew it. LBC is putting money into facilities and adding sports. The NEAC may very well not be around in a couple of years, especially if the quiet movement to bring the PSU schools back together actually happens
For as desperate as LBC is being, as one source told me - they need to figure things out on their side.

I think the NEAC will be around, there are plenty of schools that need a home (remember, Harrisburg is returning)... but it may not look like what everyone has gotten used to. The northern side is getting ancy (sp?), but they don't have the numbers to make grand moves.

As for the PSU stuff... I keep hearing that stuff, but I cannot get anyone to agree it is sound. There are FAR too many variables and FAR too many schools that are not ready - nor will they be ready for quite some time. That is a VERY long term idea if it ever gets anywhere.

Quote from: jmcozenlaw on May 24, 2018, 10:21:44 PM
- Manhattanville is the first of a handful of schools in the MAC (both conferences) that has had discussions with other conferences to possibly make a move. Manhattanville WILL NOT be the last. Manhattanville was a geographical outlier to the north as Stevenson is to the south.

Maybe Manhattanville won't be the last... BUT it doesn't mean the flood gates are opening. Honestly, there has to be a major shuffle ahead and from the many conversations I have had ... that isn't there, yet. Yes, the CAC adds something to this (see below), but usually when people talk about moves in the MAC ... they don't end up happening at all.

I have been told that the AEC may be eyeing a couple of MAC schools themselves. One of them makes sense... the other does not for a LOT of reasons - especially distance.

Quote from: jmcozenlaw on May 24, 2018, 10:21:44 PM
- I heard that the CAC (with three MD schools and York across the state line) has had quiet conversations with Stevenson but have not heard how those conversations are progressing. I have heard that if Stevenson were to make such a move, the football team might possibly make a move to the NJAC (to join two other MD teams) and the MAC would have no problem with that at all, in fact, they might push for such a move BECAUSE...............word should be coming out within the next several months regarding at least one, if not two, current MAC schools adding football. The same person who told me about Alvernia football a couple of years before it happened (as well as Alvernia wrestling as well) has given me some info that I can't mention here BUT Alvernia now makes 11 MAC football teams. Keystone could make 12. Subtract Stevenson and back to 11. Subtract another unnamed team that might be announcing a conference move in the not to distant future and now the MAC is back to 10. Add two new MAC schools and get to 12, with two, six team divisions........................until the next round of conference roulette. :)

Where do I start LOL...

I don't see any reason for Stevenson to return to the CAC. None. They left and now have better competition in the MAC. They also need the MAC for football and there is NO reason the MAC would want to keep them (since the MAC has numbers) should they leave. Could Stevenson help with a Frostburg departure in the NJAC? Sure, but not needed. I need to call around on this, but this feels more like people saying "you know, we could talk to Stevenson" versus actual conversations happening.

Keystone is NOT coming to the MAC for football. They already accepted an invitation to the ECFC - that is public knowledge. :)

A lot of what you write here... feels like the same stuff I hear on almost a yearly basis about the MAC, Stevenson, and the Mid-Atlantic. Most of it is started or spread by those who don't love Stevenson being in the MAC (despite the fact the MAC voted them in; can't have it both ways folks!). Stevenson helps the MAC stay competitive; the MAC helps Stevenson stay competitive.

Football is a huge part of all of this... I think going to the CAC for Stevenson is too risky with the football element. And the CAC doesn't have enough numbers to make football work on their end - a previous commissioner already blew that chance.

Two more schools in the MAC adding football? Eh. Not sure.

Quote from: jmcozenlaw on May 24, 2018, 10:21:44 PM
- The Arcadia move to the new Atlantic East is not permanently dead so I don't see the Commonwealth "sending" them to the Freedom. Some within Arcadia are smelling themselves a bit too much. A name change from Beaver College to Arcadia does not make one M.I.T. ;)

Now, Arcadia is still rumored to be involved with the AEC - but it depends who I talk to. I can talk to one who is in the know and I get they are coming to the AEC in a year. I talk to another and they say Arcadia has pulled out altogether and not coming at all. Talk to someone else and they are coming in August 2018 (though, that is pretty much no longer the case as time has worn on). I am not sure if Arcadia knows what they are doing.

Arcadia has made big moves, but I also hear they may be in a little bit of trouble. I also think their whole "waiting for a president to make a conference decision" ended up shooting themselves in the foot.

I don't see the MAC moving any teams around for what I stated a few days ago ... but anything is possible.

Quote from: jmcozenlaw on May 24, 2018, 10:21:44 PM
- FDU is also having internal discussions about their future in the MAC but I have no clue where they could move that would make sense, at least under the current iteration of conferences.

LOL Everyone has these conversations... but FDU doesn't exactly have a place to go as you said. They need the conference because of football. The NJAC won't take them and I doubt other conferences are interested due to location. If football wasn't a factor the ... CAC could be an option, but that football thing makes things messy.

Quote from: jmcozenlaw on May 24, 2018, 10:21:44 PM
- Keep the names Misericordia and Lycoming in mind. Nothing specific at this point. If it happens, you'll say, "JM told me to keep these two schools in mind".
Now you are just throwing things around. LOL

I did mention to some people I thought Lyco could solve some problems up in New York State... but that opportunity is gone.

Quote from: jmcozenlaw on May 24, 2018, 10:21:44 PM
- Holy Family (Northeast Philadelphia) is considering a move down to D-III. 50/50 at this point.

Let me point you to Valley Forge and others ... as in ... okay ... but this is several years at least in the future and a program like these is why the NEAC will never die.

Quote from: jmcozenlaw on May 24, 2018, 10:21:44 PM
- I heard a few rumors about what the CAC might be looking at for it's future viability and survival. There have been quiet conversations with a MAC school or two. They would love.........and Messiah is slowlyyyyyyyyyy warming up to the idea.

Those aren't rumors... of course the CAC is looking at it's future viability and survival. We have been saying that for a year now (or nearly). They have to make a move. However, I will tell you that you are looking in the wrong place. The schools I've been told, and am not allowed to repeat, are not in the MAC. There are better options I think out there for the CAC... BUT Harrisburg already leaving (back to the NEAC) and strong speculation Frostburg is going DII (in two years minimum) means the CAC has to get aggressive with their thinking.

Here is the problem with your Messiah idea ... why the f--- would they do that? Schools are leaving the CAC because of the behemoths of Salisbury, Christopher Newport, Mary Washington, etc. State schools with lower tuitions. Stevenson left for a lot of the same reasons (though, there are others I don't want to go into SMH)... Marymount, Wesley are currently leaving... Goucher and Catholic already started this whole moving thing. Why would Messiah think about it. Their only competition, for the most part, in the MAC is Stevenson ... and they are doing well even in lacrosse. Enter the CAC and those chances become harder and more difficult. Messiah going to the CAC makes zero sense to me.

The Messiah talk is very much like the rumors I usually hear in this region ... and they go no where because they are simply dreams people have ... and for some reason speak out (not you jmcozenlaw; others).

Quote from: jmcozenlaw on May 24, 2018, 10:21:44 PM
I don't know how much of this ever comes to fruition. I'm pretty confident about a lot of the LBC/NEAC/CSAC stuff and feel the same way about the future of football in the MAC. The rest of the stuff, we'll see. Possible? Sure, what isn't. Probable? In bits and pieces. :)

Yes... LBC has had chances... yes, they have screwed them up. As a result... they have no where to go right now.

Football in the MAC... I can get some people on that... but I think for some schools adding football will do more harm than good - and that goes for some who have now done it.

As for the rest of your stuff... you see my thoughts. :)

BTW - there is a player elsewhere that could shake things up. Not directly impact things around here ... but indirectly. And since I know what is afoot, I will not speak of it until I can speak of it (versus stirring the pot).
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on May 27, 2018, 10:22:55 AM
That is probably the first time Messiah and an f-bomb reference have ever been typed in the same sentence.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on May 28, 2018, 01:30:44 PM
Thanks for all of the info Dave. I always like to measure what I've heard by mistake or have been told by "insiders"............or "outsiders who know, or say they know, insiders" against somebody like yourself, with both excellent, "inside baseball" knowledge and a history of many go rounds (sp) with these schools and conferences. I know that more than half of what I hear, probably closer to three quarters is akin to people sending up trial balloons or talking about things they'd love to see vs. those things that have next to zero chance of actually happening.

I'd say the things that I feel most confident about given whom I'm hearing it from is (1) the LBC "debacle" (I'll call it that) and you kind of agreed that they've blown it up to this point; (2) Arcadia still being very much in the mix for an eventual move to the Atlantic East..................and if it were to coincide with Manhattanville's move to the Skyline.................MAC moves forward with 8 Commonwealth and 7 Freedom schools, as I have zero clue who would/could make sense as an 8th Freedom team.........and if a Commonwealth school makes a move (see #3), the MAC has 7 and 7 schools.....before the next round of conference roulette; (3) Two (with Arcadia included) current MAC schools WILL NOT be part of the MAC starting with the 2019-2020 or 2020-2021 school years and (4) Of the 16 MAC schools (I've moved Manhattanville out already for this exercise), 11 now have football and 5 do not. Whether part of the MAC, if and when it were to happen, the odds of 2 of those schools adding football is much greater than the odds, in the same calendar year of the Eagles winning the Super Bowl AND the expansion, Vegas Golden Knights making it to the Stanley Cup finals :) Myself, I would make a gentleman's wager that just one of the five schools adds football within the next 5 years. Had somebody told you, five years ago, a couple of years before the official announcement, that Alvernia would be adding football AND now wrestling..........you might have snickered and said to yourself, "sure, good luck with that". I don't know near enough about Title IX regulations to comment about it other than to say if Alvernia can add, let's say, about 150 men in these two sports.......I don't know how this would be an issue for any of the other schools that currently don't have football, especially if they don't have a wrestling program and the 30 or so men on a typical roster.

Sniff around this summer and see what you can find out about MAC football. I get a little confused when I hear, "XYZ can't move to ABC conference because of football". Aren't there a handful of teams every year who are members of one conference for every sport other than football? Wesley is moving from one conference that doesn't play football (as a conference).........to another conference that doesn't play football". 5 of the 10 NJAC football programs play only football in the NJAC. The NJAC might be an exception to the rule, but it seems like a school with a football program could make a move to another conference, that makes more sense for the vast majority of the other programs, and still find a viable home for the football program.

P.S. Let us know when you can speak about the "player elsewhere that could shake things up". I'm intrigued ;)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 29, 2018, 02:14:56 PM
Going to stick with the following below for now...

Quote from: jmcozenlaw on May 28, 2018, 01:30:44 PM
Sniff around this summer and see what you can find out about MAC football. I get a little confused when I hear, "XYZ can't move to ABC conference because of football". Aren't there a handful of teams every year who are members of one conference for every sport other than football? Wesley is moving from one conference that doesn't play football (as a conference).........to another conference that doesn't play football". 5 of the 10 NJAC football programs play only football in the NJAC. The NJAC might be an exception to the rule, but it seems like a school with a football program could make a move to another conference, that makes more sense for the vast majority of the other programs, and still find a viable home for the football program.

Be careful confusing or conflating different scenarios and situations as being similar - they are not.

Let's start with your Wesley thought. Wesley has NEVER been in the CAC for football (CAC has never had football, though they had a chance once). They have never been a primary member of a conference for football. They have either been independent (for a long time) or an associate member (NJAC). Thus, what they do with their primary moves (PAC to CAC to AEC) would have nothing to do with football nor their relationships with a football conference. They can literally think about the two things separately. What do they do for the majority of their sports; what do they do for football. Moving around their primary conference doesn't have any impact on football and visa versa.

You pointed out half the NJAC are not NJAC members. You will notice also that those associate football members don't have football in their primary conferences. That isn't uncommon for some sports. The NJAC does not sponsor MLAX (they do sponsor WLAX). Just today, three NJAC members were announced as associate members of the CSAC in MLAX. If the NJAC sponsored MLAX, those members would move back to the NJAC for that sport.

Now let's take Stevenson for example. When they were first making conference moves (NEAC to CAC to MAC), they did NOT have football. Thus, not relevant in their decisions (future planning eventually became relevant). Then they added football and joined the MAC. Now... Stevenson basically has all of their sports including football in the MAC. Their decisions about where they will be for a primary conference includes football. Simple conference dynamics and politics would preclude Stevenson from leaving the MAC for any conference that does not have football - it would also preclude Stevenson from leaving the MAC for all sports except football. Why would the MAC want to keep Stevenson as an associate member for football if they have a) lost them from all other sports and b) they don't need them for numbers and scheduling? Stevenson might want to hedge themselves that way, but MAC schools won't want it. You are either with us or without us. Thus, Stevenson moving conferences (if it was even a slight reality) isn't a simple conversation. They have to either look for a conference that has football as well OR look for two conferences - one being for football. Both are very limited in terms of options (remember, you can just choose a conference to move to, that conference needs to be interested and approve you as well).

So yes, there are schools who have football in difference conferences, but you wont find a school which has football which:
- resides in a football conference WITHOUT their football program
- leaves a football conference BUT leaves their football program in the original conference (as an associate member)

I hope that makes sense. That is basically why I feel the idea of Stevenson returning to the CAC is a bit far-fetched. Maybe a dream on some people's part, but not really realistic. Stevenson has very few options when it comes to football: NJAC (nope, not a NJ state school), MAC, independent (not a good option in this day in age), or some conference that is very far away (no chance).

Quote from: jmcozenlaw on May 28, 2018, 01:30:44 PM
P.S. Let us know when you can speak about the "player elsewhere that could shake things up". I'm intrigued ;)

Enjoy being intrigued... nothing else I can say right now. :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on June 05, 2018, 07:42:46 PM
Thanks as always for the great info Dave. I'll be interested to hear who gets the FDU Men's job given the names I'm hearing regarding candidates. They made a solid hire with their women's choice. The LBC Men also filled their men's job and while I know squatta about the man, people I've spoken to say that he fits their "mold. Gigs like that are not for everybody. The Faith piece is very real and a huge part of the application and interview process. I laugh when I think about the former DelVal men's coach coaching LBC and making the paint peel off the walls after a bad call by a ref or consecutive turnovers. I don't know if that would have lasted a semester. 'Jesus' was coming out of his mouth quite often.........but not in a way that would have gone over very well. ;) He will turn things around at D-II Millersville. Most of his roster consists of big, athletic kids from Virginia...........untapped turf by the PSAC schools for the most part.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on June 12, 2018, 08:08:37 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on June 05, 2018, 07:42:46 PM
I'll be interested to hear who gets the FDU Men's job given the names I'm hearing regarding candidates. They made a solid hire with their women's choice.

What names are you hearing? D1 assistant to follow suit with the women's job would make sense... this seems like a job that a current D3 HC could see as a step up coming from certain leagues (NEAC, SKYLINE etc)... They've been a bottom feeder but it's still the MAC which is better than many.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 12, 2018, 09:44:37 PM
I know a few coaches in the area who are looking to move up from where they are ... none of them have discussed FDU. I am not sure FDU is even a step up from others, sadly. I do agree it is a stepping stone for many who may be applying.

I think FDU has a chance to turn the corner towards a better future to be sure... but I am just not sure where administration considers athletics. Confusing signs for years.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 11, 2018, 11:18:07 AM
FYI: MAC has found a replacement for Manhattanville: http://d3sports.com/notables/2018/08/stevens-moving-to-freedom
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on October 11, 2018, 10:39:28 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 11, 2018, 11:18:07 AM
FYI: MAC has found a replacement for Manhattanville: http://d3sports.com/notables/2018/08/stevens-moving-to-freedom

That's a sizeable upgrade for the Freedom
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on October 11, 2018, 12:11:52 PM
Absolutely. Quality program in several sports. It's a great addition.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on October 11, 2018, 02:08:50 PM
Early and uninformed guess at the Freedom preseason predictions:

1-Misericordia
2-DeSales
3-Wilkes
4-Eastern
5-FDU
6-Del Val
7-Kings
8-Manhattanville

I could see this year as having one team at 11-3 and the other three playoff teams at 10-4. This year I think there could be a clear cut top 4 early on.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 11, 2018, 03:05:19 PM
Preseason men's Top 25 is out!
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/10/preseason-mens-top-25
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on November 10, 2018, 08:26:55 AM
5 games for the Freedom since Thursday.

DeSales with a great experience at Princeton. Outmatched but what a tremendous opportunity for them.

FDU losses to St. Elizabeth.

Manhattanville scores over 100 points in a route of SUNY Maritime. They will have two All Conference caliber scorers in Cobbs and Smith.

Del Val beats a weak Immaculata team by 9 on the road. Immaculata was picked last in their  conference.

Kings drops one to PSU Hazelton- a non D3 team. I think they struggle to score this year mightily- could be a long one.

FDU is up next tomorrow vs Yeshiva.

Really think this is a 4 team race in the Freedom. I could see Wilkes, Mis, Eastern and DeSales all being within a game of each other come playoff time.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 11, 2018, 07:21:06 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on November 10, 2018, 08:26:55 AM
5 games for the Freedom since Thursday.

DeSales with a great experience at Princeton. Outmatched but what a tremendous opportunity for them.

FDU losses to St. Elizabeth.

Manhattanville scores over 100 points in a route of SUNY Maritime. They will have two All Conference caliber scorers in Cobbs and Smith.

Del Val beats a weak Immaculata team by 9 on the road. Immaculata was picked last in their  conference.

Kings drops one to PSU Hazelton- a non D3 team. I think they struggle to score this year mightily- could be a long one.

FDU is up next tomorrow vs Yeshiva.

Really think this is a 4 team race in the Freedom. I could see Wilkes, Mis, Eastern and DeSales all being within a game of each other come playoff time.

CC - It looks like DeSales has kept the higher level transfer streak intact with the guard from Bloomsburg. He had 7 or 8 double digit scoring games as a freshman for Bloomsburg including 17 against Holy Family. They always find a way. Bloomsburg, Kutztown, East Stroudsburg, Liberty and Lehigh transfers over the last 7/8 years. Hmmmmm......
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on November 12, 2018, 04:19:34 PM
Did you notice DeSales is without their stating center/power forward from last year? I think he was an All MAC Freedom Selection from last year. Although the transfer definitely helps, the loss of the big guy down low is a major blow. He is not on their 2018-2019 roster. DeSales is at best a 3rd, most likely 4th seed with this roster.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on November 12, 2018, 11:33:32 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 11, 2018, 07:21:06 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on November 10, 2018, 08:26:55 AM
5 games for the Freedom since Thursday.

DeSales with a great experience at Princeton. Outmatched but what a tremendous opportunity for them.

FDU losses to St. Elizabeth.

Manhattanville scores over 100 points in a route of SUNY Maritime. They will have two All Conference caliber scorers in Cobbs and Smith.

Del Val beats a weak Immaculata team by 9 on the road. Immaculata was picked last in their  conference.

Kings drops one to PSU Hazelton- a non D3 team. I think they struggle to score this year mightily- could be a long one.

FDU is up next tomorrow vs Yeshiva.

Really think this is a 4 team race in the Freedom. I could see Wilkes, Mis, Eastern and DeSales all being within a game of each other come playoff time.

CC - It looks like DeSales has kept the higher level transfer streak intact with the guard from Bloomsburg. He had 7 or 8 double digit scoring games as a freshman for Bloomsburg including 17 against Holy Family. They always find a way. Bloomsburg, Kutztown, East Stroudsburg, Liberty and Lehigh transfers over the last 7/8 years. Hmmmmm......

Well this certainly sounds like a good player.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 13, 2018, 10:35:45 AM
Quote from: CCHoopster on November 12, 2018, 04:19:34 PM
Did you notice DeSales is without their stating center/power forward from last year? I think he was an All MAC Freedom Selection from last year. Although the transfer definitely helps, the loss of the big guy down low is a major blow. He is not on their 2018-2019 roster. DeSales is at best a 3rd, most likely 4th seed with this roster.

He was on the roster at the start of camp and has been taken off. I heard a little something that I can't/won't post here but I think that DeSales will be fine as they have a couple of bigs who are decent players. I think it knocks them down a peg but keeps them in the fight for the 3rd or 4th playoff spot. On an unrelated note, Lancaster Bible opens up tonight and one of their two bigs from last year (Christo Majok) is not back for his senior year. That will hurt the new coach, along with the graduation of Herbie Brown.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on November 17, 2018, 04:02:34 PM
Busy day for the Freedom:

DeSales with a win over an NCAA tournament team 80-68

Mis shows dominance over New Rochelle winning by 15 at Vassar

Kings drops another but shows they do have the ability to score

Eastern will take on Maryville of Tennessee- should be a good contest

Florham off to a 2-2 start and a winnable game vs Stevenson

Del Val travels to #14 Swarthmore- tough one for the Aggies whole are 2-0

Wilkes will take on LVC

A talented Manhattanville team will take on Ogelthorpe


Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on November 27, 2018, 09:41:53 PM
A break in action for the Freedom. Here's a quick Good, So So, Not so So take on the conference after a few short weeks.

The Good:

Eastern- What a start for the Eagles. Taking down 2 ranked opponents and an Albright team that went to the NCAA Tournament last year. Playoff lock this year.

Wilkes- 20 game winner last year, return all but 1 starter and 1 role player. Off to a clean 4-0 start and will be a playoff lock.

Misericordia- 3-1 start for the Cougars. Back to back champs will have every chance to make a run at a third title. Bad loss to Abington but the cougars are a lock for the playoffs.

DeSales- Good wins over Rosemont, Catholic and Lancaster Bible... Good losses to Moravian, Princeton and Hopkins. Bulldogs will be hunting for the 4th playoff spot.

The So So

Manhattanville is off to a strong start after losing 3 starters and two major role players. They may have the best player in the league in Sean Smith and will be challenging for the playoffs with DeSales.

Del Val is off to a 3-2 start (only 5 wins last year) with losses to #8 Swarthmore Garnet and Hood who only has one loss. Outside looking in on the playoffs. Won't be shocked if they make it, don't see it.

The Not so So

FDU has a new coach and is starting a new era. They've been competitive with a good win vs Yeshiva. That's about what you can ask for at this point. No playoffs this year. A few years away at best.

King's will struggle mightily this year. Lost nearly 40 points per game from last years team. They will compete hard and will be coached very well, but the playoffs aren't in the cards for them.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on December 02, 2018, 06:26:12 PM
Week 1 in MACF play:

1/5
DeSales 78 FDU 66
Eastern 92 Kings 68
Del Val 76 Manhattanville 68
Misericordia 87 Wilkes 79

1/8
Eastern 85 Del Val 69
DeSales 81 Kings 66
Wilkes 82 Manhattanville 73
Misericordia 84 FDU 70



Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on December 06, 2018, 12:43:39 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on December 02, 2018, 06:26:12 PM
Week 1 in MACF play:

1/5
DeSales 78 FDU 66
Eastern 92 Kings 68
Del Val 76 Manhattanville 68
Misericordia 87 Wilkes 79


Hit 3 of 4. A good win for Wilkes over Misericordia. Sticking with my picks for Saturday. Some score altering though...


1/8
Eastern 78 Del Val 72
DeSales 76 Kings 68
Wilkes 88 Manhattanville 77
Misericordia 84 FDU 66
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 08, 2018, 07:28:51 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on December 06, 2018, 12:43:39 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on December 02, 2018, 06:26:12 PM
Week 1 in MACF play:

1/5
DeSales 78 FDU 66
Eastern 92 Kings 68
Del Val 76 Manhattanville 68
Misericordia 87 Wilkes 79


Hit 3 of 4. A good win for Wilkes over Misericordia. Sticking with my picks for Saturday. Some score altering though...


1/8
Eastern 78 Del Val 72
DeSales 76 Kings 68
Wilkes 88 Manhattanville 77
Misericordia 84 FDU 66

How the hell did FDU beat Misericordia....................and DelVal win AT Eastern???
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on December 09, 2018, 06:46:42 AM
I don't have an answer for Mis and FDU. Things happen in conference and sometimes it snows in April.

As for Eastern and Del Val... I mentioned I thought Del Val was a team that can beat and lose to any team.  They proved that.  It looks like they were also without a starter who DNP. Good days for FDU and DVU.

DeSales wins a close one over King's, moving to 2-0. This could be a surprisingly good DeSales team come mid January because they must be a team to win and that's how they play their best.

Wilkes keeps it rolling and moves to 6-1,2-0. Looks like they are going to be a really solid team finding ways to win like last year.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on December 09, 2018, 06:48:00 AM
Quote from: CCHoopster on December 02, 2018, 06:26:12 PM
Week 1 in MACF play:

1/5
DeSales 78 FDU 66
Eastern 92 Kings 68
Del Val 76 Manhattanville 68
Misericordia 87 Wilkes 79

1/8
Eastern 85 Del Val 69
DeSales 81 Kings 66
Wilkes 82 Manhattanville 73
Misericordia 84 FDU 70





5-3 on the week. I must say, really no chance I thought DVU and FDU were winning. Impressive by the Aggies.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 09, 2018, 06:21:47 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on December 09, 2018, 06:48:00 AM
Quote from: CCHoopster on December 02, 2018, 06:26:12 PM
Week 1 in MACF play:

1/5
DeSales 78 FDU 66
Eastern 92 Kings 68
Del Val 76 Manhattanville 68
Misericordia 87 Wilkes 79

1/8
Eastern 85 Del Val 69
DeSales 81 Kings 66
Wilkes 82 Manhattanville 73
Misericordia 84 FDU 70





5-3 on the week. I must say, really no chance I thought DVU and FDU were winning. Impressive by the Aggies.

DVU played without Singleton (who had been starting) and Russell (about 6'5") comes back before the next game. I haven't made it out to a game yet but they are surprising me. If the coach can add a few pieces to Washington and Robinson (nice sophomores)...............Cianculli, Myers, Singleton and Russell (juniors), they could have a nice team next year, especially when looking at what Wilkes, Misericordia and Eastern all lose. I still have Wilkes, Miser, DeSales and Eastern ahead of DelVal (so did the coaches in the poll) but we'll see. That's why they play the games.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on December 10, 2018, 11:18:38 AM
The Stevens Ducks who will join the MACF next year are currently 7-2 with wins over FDU and Alvernia from the MAC. They will graduate 4 of their top 8 players in scoring p/g. This conference will be much better next year.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on December 11, 2018, 09:20:13 PM
Bored here at work. My rankings of Freedom teams through two games:

1- Wilkes
2- Eastern
3- DeSales
4- DVU
5- Miser
6- FDU
7- Mville
8- Kings
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on December 19, 2018, 11:56:02 AM
Quote from: CCHoopster on December 11, 2018, 09:20:13 PM
Bored here at work. My rankings of Freedom teams through two games:

1- Wilkes
2- Eastern
3- DeSales
4- DVU
5- Miser
6- FDU
7- Mville
8- Kings

Some changes here. On social media it looks as if Eastern All Conference Center V. Pena May be done for the season. Any news here? Wishing the best for this senior. DeSales and Wilkes both had big wins last night.

Wilkes
DeSales
Del Val
Eastern
FDU
Misericordia
Manhattanville
Kings


Tonight:

Misericordia at Wesley College: Wesley 87 Misericordia 79

Del Val home vs Bryn Athyn: DVU 79 BA 71


Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ronk on December 19, 2018, 01:58:32 PM
I'd move Manhattanville up to 3rd despite their 30-pt loss @ Scranton; leading scorer Sean Smith hardly played with foul trouble and Scranton shot 60+ % from the field, not likely to happen again.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on December 19, 2018, 03:55:07 PM
Quote from: ronk on December 19, 2018, 01:58:32 PM
I'd move Manhattanville up to 3rd despite their 30-pt loss @ Scranton; leading scorer Sean Smith hardly played with foul trouble and Scranton shot 60+ % from the field, not likely to happen again.

Third as in, in front of Misericordia or third overall?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on December 19, 2018, 04:01:02 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on December 19, 2018, 11:56:02 AM
Quote from: CCHoopster on December 11, 2018, 09:20:13 PM
Bored here at work. My rankings of Freedom teams through two games:

1- Wilkes
2- Eastern
3- DeSales
4- DVU
5- Miser
6- FDU
7- Mville
8- Kings

Some changes here. On social media it looks as if Eastern All Conference Center V. Pena May be done for the season. Any news here? Wishing the best for this senior. DeSales and Wilkes both had big wins last night.

Wilkes
DeSales
Del Val
Eastern
FDU
Misericordia
Manhattanville
Kings


Tonight:

Misericordia at Wesley College: Wesley 87 Misericordia 79

Del Val home vs Bryn Athyn: DVU 79 BA 71

Good win for Misericordia. Their center looks to be having some good games.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ronk on December 19, 2018, 05:02:34 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on December 19, 2018, 03:55:07 PM
Quote from: ronk on December 19, 2018, 01:58:32 PM
I'd move Manhattanville up to 3rd despite their 30-pt loss @ Scranton; leading scorer Sean Smith hardly played with foul trouble and Scranton shot 60+ % from the field, not likely to happen again.

Third as in, in front of Misericordia or third overall?

Third, as in after only Wilkes and DeSales.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on December 19, 2018, 05:36:07 PM
Interesting. Definitely talent there in their top two players but they lost to DVU by double digits who then beat a fully healthy Eastern. The two players on their team Cobbs and Smith are in the top handful in the league. Both are tremendous. But until they beat someone, I can't move them past the top 4 at least. I can see for some others.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on December 19, 2018, 05:38:01 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on December 19, 2018, 05:36:07 PM
Interesting. Definitely talent there in their top two players but they lost to DVU by double digits who then beat a fully healthy Eastern. The two players on their team Cobbs and Smith are in the top handful in the league. Both are tremendous. But until they beat someone, I can't move them past the top 4 at least. I can see for some others.

To add, i don't think DVU is a great team, or even a very good team. Average with upside and equal downside. But H2H for me regarding Manhattanville.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 19, 2018, 05:44:20 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on December 19, 2018, 04:01:02 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on December 19, 2018, 11:56:02 AM
Quote from: CCHoopster on December 11, 2018, 09:20:13 PM
Bored here at work. My rankings of Freedom teams through two games:

1- Wilkes
2- Eastern
3- DeSales
4- DVU
5- Miser
6- FDU
7- Mville
8- Kings

Some changes here. On social media it looks as if Eastern All Conference Center V. Pena May be done for the season. Any news here? Wishing the best for this senior. DeSales and Wilkes both had big wins last night.

Wilkes
DeSales
Del Val
Eastern
FDU
Misericordia
Manhattanville
Kings


Tonight:

Misericordia at Wesley College: Wesley 87 Misericordia 79

Del Val home vs Bryn Athyn: DVU 79 BA 71

Good win for Misericordia. Their center looks to be having some good games.

I still have DelVal at 5th, but Ronk couldn't have meant moving Manhattanville up to 3rd. DelVal beat them head to head so they have to be behind, at least, Wilkes, DeSales, Misericordia (depsite the record) and DelVal. I also still think Eastern is better than them, even without Pena if that is the case. I've heard nothing about the injury being season ending.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 19, 2018, 05:52:07 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on December 19, 2018, 05:36:07 PM
Interesting. Definitely talent there in their top two players but they lost to DVU by double digits who then beat a fully healthy Eastern. The two players on their team Cobbs and Smith are in the top handful in the league. Both are tremendous. But until they beat someone, I can't move them past the top 4 at least. I can see for some others.

Spot on CC. You can't put Manhattanville ahead of DelVal at this point, since they beat them head to head and it wasn't a one point game either. They are also behind Wilkes and DeSales and a healthy Misericordia team beats them. A fully healthy Eastern team is also better than Manhattanville. Heck, I'll take FDU, at FDU (where they beat Misericordia) to beat Manhattanville. The only teams, this early in the season, that I can definitively place Manhattanville in front of are King's and FDU. Manhattanville is Smith and Cobbs..........and three other guys.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on January 17, 2019, 10:00:45 AM
Ok, A few things have begun to shake  out.

1- DeSales is terrific.
2- Eastern can still beat anyone
3- Wilkes isn't who they were last night. BAD loss.
4- Misericordia is going to be up and down all year but will be really good at home.
5- Del Val is not as good as I thought they could be. They'll need Mis or Eastern to falter to make the 4 seed.
6- Kings grabbed people's attention last night. No easy task beating them there.
7- Manhattanville just can't win. Two all league guys who have no help.
8- FDU has no depth and get a pass with a first year coach. Although if you beat Mis you need to raise the expectations and win some more games. There's some talent there, not enough.

Playoff projection

1- DeSaes
2- Wilkes
3- Misericordia
4- Eastern
———

DVU
Kings
MVille
FDU

Saturday's projections:

Wilkes 86 FDU 67 (Friday)
DeSales 85 Mis 78
Kings 79 Del Val 72
Eastern 91 Manhattanville 78
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on January 17, 2019, 11:38:34 AM
Quote from: CCHoopster on January 17, 2019, 10:00:45 AM
Ok, A few things have begun to shake  out.

1- DeSales is terrific.
2- Eastern can still beat anyone
3- Wilkes isn't who they were last night. BAD loss.
4- Misericordia is going to be up and down all year but will be really good at home.
5- Del Val is not as good as I thought they could be. They'll need Mis or Eastern to falter to make the 4 seed.
6- Kings grabbed people's attention last night. No easy task beating them there.
7- Manhattanville just can't win. Two all league guys who have no help.
8- FDU has no depth and get a pass with a first year coach. Although if you beat Mis you need to raise the expectations and win some more games. There's some talent there, not enough.

Playoff projection

1- DeSaes
2- Wilkes
3- Misericordia
4- Eastern
———

DVU
Kings
MVille
FDU

Saturday's projections:

Wilkes 86 FDU 67 (Friday)
DeSales 85 Mis 78
Kings 79 Del Val 72
Eastern 91 Manhattanville 78
FDU-Florham has beaten Misericordia at FDU three of the last four years and this year's game was coach Slanovec's first game coaching against his alma mater.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on January 20, 2019, 06:08:31 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on January 17, 2019, 10:00:45 AM
Ok, A few things have begun to shake  out.

1- DeSales is terrific.
2- Eastern can still beat anyone
3- Wilkes isn't who they were last night. BAD loss.
4- Misericordia is going to be up and down all year but will be really good at home.
5- Del Val is not as good as I thought they could be. They'll need Mis or Eastern to falter to make the 4 seed.
6- Kings grabbed people's attention last night. No easy task beating them there.
7- Manhattanville just can't win. Two all league guys who have no help.
8- FDU has no depth and get a pass with a first year coach. Although if you beat Mis you need to raise the expectations and win some more games. There's some talent there, not enough.

Playoff projection

1- DeSaes
2- Wilkes
3- Misericordia
4- Eastern
———

DVU
Kings
MVille
FDU

Saturday's projections:

Wilkes 86 FDU 67 (Friday)
DeSales 85 Mis 78
Kings 79 Del Val 72
Eastern 91 Manhattanville 78

I have no idea how you thought DelVal was anywhere near a "not as good as I thought they could be". I had them in a battle to finish 5/6. DeSales has several multi-year starters (Connaghan, Simscik) and they pulled off their annual "higher level transfer" in Kalcheris from D2 Bloomsburg. Kid is a stud. Wilkes is very mature, with Robinson having started all four years, Evans seeing a lot of time since his freshman year (with Robinson) and Pecorelli, Bowen and Mullins all experienced players. Misericordia has the mother load back from last year, including the MAC's best player (Kenny) and a mid-season transfer from higher level Pace University, Iton. Eastern has a bunch of older players and brought in a man (size AND age, 28 year old Bowlers) this year. DelVal has two kids who were forced to play a lot as freshmen (Washington and Robinson), Matsinaye, another starter this year who sat out all last year with an injury (Ciaunclii), a 6'3" tall Butler who is a 2/3, playing the 5 as they have zero height/bulk combo and no bench to speak of due to their 6'6" (Russell) getting hurt early in the year and not on the roster, losing PG Britton to SUNY Purchase, their 6'6" 2/3 from last year, Chabot and an illness to Singleton. If they grab a four seed, I will buy you a root beer (I don't drink) and say that I was wrong. The DelVal coach has to have an all world recruiting season that includes ready-to-play size and athelticism. Misericordia and Eastern lose a lot, as does Wilkes. DeSales losing almost nothing. DelVal could be back in the playoff mix if their coach is able to nab a few solid freshmen and a transfer or two, like DeSales did with Kachelris and Misericordia did with Iton (6'6" and can sky). I will slot Stevens in the top four most years, King's has a few big bodies this year. I was stunned what they did to a healthy Wilkes squad this week. The FDU coach will be a better recruiter but it's going to take time.  I'll pencil DeSales, Stevens and Misericordia somewhere in the top four in most years, with everybody else battling it out to grab the other open spot. It's not the X's and the O's....................it's the Jimmie's and the Joe's. Having had a nephew recently recruited by several MAC (and non-MAC schools), those near the top year in and year out are much more free spending with the financial packages than some of the others. DeSales and Eastern will always have an inherent advantage (and now Stevens as well) in the MAC Freedom when it comes to aid as they are the three schools (out of the 8) who do not have a football program and do not have to come up with packages for 125-150 students athletes. Several AD buddies of mine said that it is a massive difference given that D3 football programs are expense eaters given the tiny revenue that comes from playing 4 or 5 home games a year. It is what it is and will always hurt, to some extent, the MAC schools that offer football, relative to those who don't. Several have/are looking into football. All have decided (so far) to take a pass due to expenses and what it can do to other programs (splitting the aid pie), along with the whole Title IX situation.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on January 22, 2019, 08:30:31 AM
1/19 Makeup games results last night:

Wilkes 96 FDU 53
Eastern 88 Manhattanville 77
Del Val 84 Kings 73
DeSales at Misericordia rescheduled 1/28/19

1/23 predictions: two big games in the standings

Eastern 78 at DeSales 86

Del Val 72 at Wilkes 88

FDU 71 at Manhattanville 83

Misericordia 79 at Kings 67
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on January 22, 2019, 10:11:26 AM
By no means a basketball guru here, but the Del Val guys looked pretty good last night in their home game with King's.   A real test will be tomorrow night up at Wilkes!    Go Aggies!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on January 24, 2019, 08:26:46 AM
Defense could have been a tad better, but a good win last night for the Del Val Aggies on the road, 99 to 90 against Wilkes.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on January 24, 2019, 09:15:31 AM
I watched a tad bit of this game. Tip of the hat to the Aggies. Quite the turnaround going on from a year ago. If Wilkes doesn't get 4 and1's and hit 3 maybe 4 three's in the final 4/5 minutes that games not close.

Also, very impressed with Eastern. What a terrific win. I'm not surprised at DeSales jumping out to a strong start this year. I'm more surprised that Eastern is winning without Pena.... and even more/most surprised with Del Val.

Saturday Games:

DeSales 85 Kings 74
Wilkes 78 Eastern 75
Del Val 76 Manhattanville 70
Misericordia 92 FDU 76

Monday Snow make up:

DeSales 81 Misericordia 73
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on January 26, 2019, 10:59:27 PM
Really impressed with Eastern. With wins over DeSales, Wilkes and Misericordia in the last week they may be the team to beat.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on January 28, 2019, 10:25:38 AM
Quote from: CCHoopster on January 26, 2019, 10:59:27 PM
Really impressed with Eastern. With wins over DeSales, Wilkes and Misericordia in the last week they may be the team to beat.

Fairly important game tonight. Moreso for Misericordia fighting to keep their playoff hopes alive. A win for DeSales keeps them atop the standings by themselves. A loss for Misericordia puts them behind Wilkes in 5th (Wilkes has tie breaker). Misericordia then travels to Delaware Valley on Wednesday.

Playoff projection:

1- DeSales
2- Eastern
3- Wilkes
4- Del Val
——————
5- Mis
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 30, 2019, 01:48:11 PM
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Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on January 30, 2019, 02:36:25 PM
Tonight's Games:

DeSales 81 FDU 67
Eastern 74 Kings 67
Misericordia 78 Del Val 72
Wilkes 86 Manhattanville 79

I can't see DeSales and Eastern not finishing 1 and 2. 3rd and 4th see between Del Val Wilkes and Misericordia will come down to the last day of the year.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on January 30, 2019, 09:22:14 PM
Very classy move by Del Val coach Mark Seidenburg walking out to foul line to congratulate Misericordia's Tony Harding on his 1,000th career point tonight.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on January 30, 2019, 10:53:28 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on January 30, 2019, 09:22:14 PM
Very classy move by Del Val coach Mark Seidenburg walking out to foul line to congratulate Misericordia's Tony Harding on his 1,000th career point tonight.

I was about to log in and type the same thing, Lefty. He coached under Serretti at Dickinson and Van Pelt at Messiah- he oozes with class. He's competitive but classy. And can coach having this team 6-2 coming into today. In fact, last year ,he blocked the Mis coach from getting a 3rd technical after coach Chandler was ejected by walking with him off the court. I hope the Aggies players appreciate their coach. Most coaches are to competitive to be classy. It's sad.

Misericordia looked great tonight.. So efficient. Del Val looked very bad. Very bad. The game wasn't really close. Del Vals D was flat and offense they just stood. Mis neve had to move on D. Great road win for the Cougars. This Aggies team is not a playoff looking team with their effort tonight. Mis could be gearing up for a 3/4 seed run like the past two years.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on February 01, 2019, 07:59:32 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on January 30, 2019, 10:53:28 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on January 30, 2019, 09:22:14 PM
Very classy move by Del Val coach Mark Seidenburg walking out to foul line to congratulate Misericordia's Tony Harding on his 1,000th career point tonight.

I was about to log in and type the same thing, Lefty. He coached under Serretti at Dickinson and Van Pelt at Messiah- he oozes with class. He's competitive but classy. And can coach having this team 6-2 coming into today. In fact, last year ,he blocked the Mis coach from getting a 3rd technical after coach Chandler was ejected by walking with him off the court. I hope the Aggies players appreciate their coach. Most coaches are to competitive to be classy. It's sad.

Misericordia looked great tonight.. So efficient. Del Val looked very bad. Very bad. The game wasn't really close. Del Vals D was flat and offense they just stood. Mis neve had to move on D. Great road win for the Cougars. This Aggies team is not a playoff looking team with their effort tonight. Mis could be gearing up for a 3/4 seed run like the past two years.

I hear coach Mark is a great guy. What he's done to this point has been pretty much with smoke and mirrors. Misericordia is loaded with experience. I think Kenny is the best player in the league and a four year starter. Harding ate DelVal up (they have zero interior presence as their '5' is 6'2" Butler) and higher level, second sememster transfer (Iton) is a legit 6'7", as is Rivera. Mis loses Kenny, Harding, Rodway, McCreary and Iton. Rivera is the lone high level impact player returning. I smell Chandler hitting the transfer market hard, as I've already kind of heard.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 01, 2019, 11:24:00 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on February 01, 2019, 07:59:32 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on January 30, 2019, 10:53:28 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on January 30, 2019, 09:22:14 PM
Very classy move by Del Val coach Mark Seidenburg walking out to foul line to congratulate Misericordia's Tony Harding on his 1,000th career point tonight.

I was about to log in and type the same thing, Lefty. He coached under Serretti at Dickinson and Van Pelt at Messiah- he oozes with class. He's competitive but classy. And can coach having this team 6-2 coming into today. In fact, last year ,he blocked the Mis coach from getting a 3rd technical after coach Chandler was ejected by walking with him off the court. I hope the Aggies players appreciate their coach. Most coaches are to competitive to be classy. It's sad.

Misericordia looked great tonight.. So efficient. Del Val looked very bad. Very bad. The game wasn't really close. Del Vals D was flat and offense they just stood. Mis neve had to move on D. Great road win for the Cougars. This Aggies team is not a playoff looking team with their effort tonight. Mis could be gearing up for a 3/4 seed run like the past two years.

I hear coach Mark is a great guy. What he's done to this point has been pretty much with smoke and mirrors. Misericordia is loaded with experience. I think Kenny is the best player in the league and a four year starter. Harding ate DelVal up (they have zero interior presence as their '5' is 6'2" Butler) and higher level, second sememster transfer (Iton) is a legit 6'7", as is Rivera. Mis loses Kenny, Harding, Rodway, McCreary and Iton. Rivera is the lone high level impact player returning. I smell Chandler hitting the transfer market hard, as I've already kind of heard.
Harding is a junior.  Iton is a transfer, but not second semester.  He has been with the team from the beginning of the season.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on February 02, 2019, 02:42:34 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on January 30, 2019, 02:36:25 PM
Tonight's Games:

DeSales 81 FDU 67
Eastern 74 Kings 67
Misericordia 78 Del Val 72
Wilkes 86 Manhattanville 79

I can't see DeSales and Eastern not finishing 1 and 2. 3rd and 4th see between Del Val Wilkes and Misericordia will come down to the last day of the year.

Today's games

DeSales 78 Wilkes 75
Del Val 81 Eastern 76
Misericordia 88 Manhattanville 75
King's 74 FDU 68
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on February 02, 2019, 09:44:55 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on February 02, 2019, 02:42:34 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on January 30, 2019, 02:36:25 PM
Tonight's Games:

DeSales 81 FDU 67
Eastern 74 Kings 67
Misericordia 78 Del Val 72
Wilkes 86 Manhattanville 79

I can't see DeSales and Eastern not finishing 1 and 2. 3rd and 4th see between Del Val Wilkes and Misericordia will come down to the last day of the year.

Today's games

DeSales 78 Wilkes 75
Del Val 81 Eastern 76
Misericordia 88 Manhattanville 75
King's 74 FDU 68

Good thing I haven't quit my day job  ;D My picks have been bad!!

Interesting day in the Freedom. Wilkes with a major win and Manhattanville upsets Misericordia. Del Val did just enough to edge Eastern on an off day for the Eagles.

Gordon Mann- are you here? I think you called the Del Val Eastern game today. Any thoughts on the Freedom?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on February 03, 2019, 11:16:04 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 01, 2019, 11:24:00 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on February 01, 2019, 07:59:32 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on January 30, 2019, 10:53:28 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on January 30, 2019, 09:22:14 PM
Very classy move by Del Val coach Mark Seidenburg walking out to foul line to congratulate Misericordia's Tony Harding on his 1,000th career point tonight.

I was about to log in and type the same thing, Lefty. He coached under Serretti at Dickinson and Van Pelt at Messiah- he oozes with class. He's competitive but classy. And can coach having this team 6-2 coming into today. In fact, last year ,he blocked the Mis coach from getting a 3rd technical after coach Chandler was ejected by walking with him off the court. I hope the Aggies players appreciate their coach. Most coaches are to competitive to be classy. It's sad.

Misericordia looked great tonight.. So efficient. Del Val looked very bad. Very bad. The game wasn't really close. Del Vals D was flat and offense they just stood. Mis neve had to move on D. Great road win for the Cougars. This Aggies team is not a playoff looking team with their effort tonight. Mis could be gearing up for a 3/4 seed run like the past two years.

I hear coach Mark is a great guy. What he's done to this point has been pretty much with smoke and mirrors. Misericordia is loaded with experience. I think Kenny is the best player in the league and a four year starter. Harding ate DelVal up (they have zero interior presence as their '5' is 6'2" Butler) and higher level, second sememster transfer (Iton) is a legit 6'7", as is Rivera. Mis loses Kenny, Harding, Rodway, McCreary and Iton. Rivera is the lone high level impact player returning. I smell Chandler hitting the transfer market hard, as I've already kind of heard.
Harding is a junior.  Iton is a transfer, but not second semester.  He has been with the team from the beginning of the season.

You're right. My bad. Harding is a junior. My buddy at Misericordia is very ill informed about his own team as he told me that Iton was a mid-semester transfer from higher level Pace (maybe the higher level Pace pre-Misericordia is wrong as well........maybe Lefty can confirm or shoot down). Oh well. Of the five Miser players who got the bulk of the minutes (between 29-34) against a very average Manhattanville team (the Smith & Cobbs Show), I believe four of the five are seniors (Iton, Kenny, Rodway. McCreary) and a couple have been mulit-year starters.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on February 03, 2019, 12:05:53 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on February 02, 2019, 09:44:55 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on February 02, 2019, 02:42:34 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on January 30, 2019, 02:36:25 PM
Tonight's Games:

DeSales 81 FDU 67
Eastern 74 Kings 67
Misericordia 78 Del Val 72
Wilkes 86 Manhattanville 79

I can't see DeSales and Eastern not finishing 1 and 2. 3rd and 4th see between Del Val Wilkes and Misericordia will come down to the last day of the year.

Today's games

DeSales 78 Wilkes 75
Del Val 81 Eastern 76
Misericordia 88 Manhattanville 75
King's 74 FDU 68

Good thing I haven't quit my day job  ;D My picks have been bad!!

Interesting day in the Freedom. Wilkes with a major win and Manhattanville upsets Misericordia. Del Val did just enough to edge Eastern on an off day for the Eagles.

Gordon Mann- are you here? I think you called the Del Val Eastern game today. Any thoughts on the Freedom?

Eastern was the hottest team in the league heading into this game (handing DeSales their only loss up to that point, on DeSales home court) and the Aggies somehow swept the season series from them. DelVal can't beat Miser nor DeSales, but sweeps Eastern, beats Wilkes at Wilkes (who just beat DeSales at Wilkes) and beats Manhattanville (at Manhattanville).........where Miser just lost by 12 yesterday. You never know. I like to look at underclassmen contributions vs. teams loaded up with seniors.

Eastern is an interesting situation. Coach has his Florida pipeline and will take players with only year of eligibility left. They lose their two stud guards (Duncan and Washington) along with Peel and Kastens. They do return Blet, Ruff (stud as a freshman) and Adams. Bowlers is an intriguing situation. I have heard from numerous people that he is at least in his late 20's, is married, has several kids, works full time overnight, goes to school and plays basketball. I have no idea how he does it and whether he bothers to play his senior year. If he does, Bowlers, Blet, Ruff and Adams form an excellent returning four and with Coach, you never know what rabbits he will pull out of his hat, including 6'7" and 6'8" rabbits.

DelVal is interesting as their best two overall players (no debate here, Washington and Robinson) are only sophomores, their best shooter is a junior (Cianculli), their point guard is a junior (Myers) and they have a freshman getting a lot of time (Johnson) and getting better by the game. They have two injury situations to underclassmen (guard Singleton, a real player, and a 6'6" junior, with two years of eligibility remaining, Russell). They only lose two seniors. If Coach Mark can get an impactful transfer from a higher level (think Kacherlis at DeSales, Iton at Miser, Bowlers at Eastern) and a freshmen or two who can play early, they could be in the playoff mix again next year.

Miser loses stud Kenny, Rodway, McCreary and transfers Iton and Mann. They do return Harding (first team All Mac next year and Rivera). I have no doubt Willie has some players on the bench and will bring in a transfer or two along with a solid freshman or three.

Wilkes had five guys who played 34+ minutes yesterday. The sixth and seventh player lodged 8 minutes each. They lose Robinson (four year starter), Evans (four year starter) and Bowen (three year starter). They do return both Mullins and Pecorelli, but both are seniors next year. Izzy needs to reload.

DeSales is DeSales. Great recruiting of incoming freshmen along with the almost annual transfer of a player from a higher level. This year's transfer, Kachelris, got a lot of time last year at Bloomsburg, as a true freshman. I truly don't know Coval how does it. The campus life isn't exactly mini-Penn State. It's like K.C. Keeler and the Rowan football team's from the 90's (that probably went wayyyyyyy over everybody's head here, except if Gordon is peeking in........as I don't see many here who spend time on the football boards). Of the 8 players who saw 15+ minutes yesterday, only 1 is a senior (Connaghan). In addition, a few are only freshmen and sophomores. I see DeSales as the clear, no-doubt-about-it leader heading into next season.

I'm going to leave out King's and FDU just because, as well as Manhattanville for obvious reasons (although I do wonder if Sean Smith is gettable given that the Smith and Cobbs Show loses Cobbs after this year........and before they move to that screwy New York conference).

Stevens is the wildcard. They are big (their two 6'7"'s and their 6'8" are all back next year). 14-8 overall. 7-6 in an average Empire 8. Beat #16 NJCU to start the season. Beat an 11-11 Alvernia team by 9. Only beat FDU by 1. I don't know where to put them, but I'll put them in the mix as a better team than Manhattanville.

2019 - 2020: DeSales by a wide margin. Eastern right behind them. Wilkes/Miser/DelVal in the next tier. Stevens as a wildcard. Something about this looks awful familiar to this year.

Lefty, shoot holes in my theories. ;)

I will also say this. If the playoffs are DeSales, Eastern, DelVal, Miser/Wilkes.........................the DelVal coach should get Coach of the Year given his roster relative to the depth of DeSales and the returning, experienced rosters of Eastern, Miser and Wilkes. Let's see if the coaches see it that way or if they take they lazy way out and give it to the coach with the best overall regular season record.

Saban and Sweeney have the best records every year but are not the best coaches. They'd better win with all of those five star All-Americans. The best coaches do the most with the least.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 03, 2019, 01:22:09 PM
Justin Iton played at Post.... not Pace.

Darren Davy, who is now at FDU and spent a season at Misericordia, attended Pace.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on February 03, 2019, 01:39:23 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on February 03, 2019, 12:05:53 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on February 02, 2019, 09:44:55 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on February 02, 2019, 02:42:34 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on January 30, 2019, 02:36:25 PM
Tonight's Games:

DeSales 81 FDU 67
Eastern 74 Kings 67
Misericordia 78 Del Val 72
Wilkes 86 Manhattanville 79

I can't see DeSales and Eastern not finishing 1 and 2. 3rd and 4th see between Del Val Wilkes and Misericordia will come down to the last day of the year.

Today's games

DeSales 78 Wilkes 75
Del Val 81 Eastern 76
Misericordia 88 Manhattanville 75
King's 74 FDU 68

Good thing I haven't quit my day job  ;D My picks have been bad!!

Interesting day in the Freedom. Wilkes with a major win and Manhattanville upsets Misericordia. Del Val did just enough to edge Eastern on an off day for the Eagles.

Gordon Mann- are you here? I think you called the Del Val Eastern game today. Any thoughts on the Freedom?

Eastern was the hottest team in the league heading into this game (handing DeSales their only loss up to that point, on DeSales home court) and the Aggies somehow swept the season series from them. DelVal can't beat Miser nor DeSales, but sweeps Eastern, beats Wilkes at Wilkes (who just beat DeSales at Wilkes) and beats Manhattanville (at Manhattanville).........where Miser just lost by 12 yesterday. You never know. I like to look at underclassmen contributions vs. teams loaded up with seniors.

Eastern is an interesting situation. Coach has his Florida pipeline and will take players with only year of eligibility left. They lose their two stud guards (Duncan and Washington) along with Peel and Kastens. They do return Blet, Ruff (stud as a freshman) and Adams. Bowlers is an intriguing situation. I have heard from numerous people that he is at least in his late 20's, is married, has several kids, works full time overnight, goes to school and plays basketball. I have no idea how he does it and whether he bothers to play his senior year. If he does, Bowlers, Blet, Ruff and Adams form an excellent returning four and with Coach, you never know what rabbits he will pull out of his hat, including 6'7" and 6'8" rabbits.

DelVal is interesting as their best two overall players (no debate here, Washington and Robinson) are only sophomores, their best shooter is a junior (Cianculli), their point guard is a junior (Myers) and they have a freshman getting a lot of time (Johnson) and getting better by the game. They have two injury situations to underclassmen (guard Singleton, a real player, and a 6'6" junior, with two years of eligibility remaining, Russell). They only lose two seniors. If Coach Mark can get an impactful transfer from a higher level (think Kacherlis at DeSales, Iton at Miser, Bowlers at Eastern) and a freshmen or two who can play early, they could be in the playoff mix again next year.

Miser loses stud Kenny, Rodway, McCreary and transfers Iton and Mann. They do return Harding (first team All Mac next year and Rivera). I have no doubt Willie has some players on the bench and will bring in a transfer or two along with a solid freshman or three.

Wilkes had five guys who played 34+ minutes yesterday. The sixth and seventh player lodged 8 minutes each. They lose Robinson (four year starter), Evans (four year starter) and Bowen (three year starter). They do return both Mullins and Pecorelli, but both are seniors next year. Izzy needs to reload.

DeSales is DeSales. Great recruiting of incoming freshmen along with the almost annual transfer of a player from a higher level. This year's transfer, Kachelris, got a lot of time last year at Bloomsburg, as a true freshman. I truly don't know Coval how does it. The campus life isn't exactly mini-Penn State. It's like K.C. Keeler and the Rowan football team's from the 90's (that probably went wayyyyyyy over everybody's head here, except if Gordon is peeking in........as I don't see many here who spend time on the football boards). Of the 8 players who saw 15+ minutes yesterday, only 1 is a senior (Connaghan). In addition, a few are only freshmen and sophomores. I see DeSales as the clear, no-doubt-about-it leader heading into next season.

I'm going to leave out King's and FDU just because, as well as Manhattanville for obvious reasons (although I do wonder if Sean Smith is gettable given that the Smith and Cobbs Show loses Cobbs after this year........and before they move to that screwy New York conference).

Stevens is the wildcard. They are big (their two 6'7"'s and their 6'8" are all back next year). 14-8 overall. 7-6 in an average Empire 8. Beat #16 NJCU to start the season. Beat an 11-11 Alvernia team by 9. Only beat FDU by 1. I don't know where to put them, but I'll put them in the mix as a better team than Manhattanville.

2019 - 2020: DeSales by a wide margin. Eastern right behind them. Wilkes/Miser/DelVal in the next tier. Stevens as a wildcard. Something about this looks awful familiar to this year.

Lefty, shoot holes in my theories. ;)

I will also say this. If the playoffs are DeSales, Eastern, DelVal, Miser/Wilkes.........................the DelVal coach should get Coach of the Year given his roster relative to the depth of DeSales and the returning, experienced rosters of Eastern, Miser and Wilkes. Let's see if the coaches see it that way or if they take they lazy way out and give it to the coach with the best overall regular season record.

Saban and Sweeney have the best records every year but are not the best coaches. They'd better win with all of those five star All-Americans. The best coaches do the most with the least.

If Del Val finishes top two he better get it. Third, should.. fourth, winner of the league
should get it. Del Val lost two games on buzzer beaters, have been without Singleton for the past 14 games (a starter), Lybrant Robinson for 3 games (lost all three) and Russell will miss the year to constant concussions.  Credit to McNelly too. He lost Pena for the year then Clifton Adams for several games. They still stand at 7-3.

Talk about a big game Wednesday with Wilkes @ Mis.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on February 04, 2019, 02:34:53 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 03, 2019, 01:22:09 PM
Justin Iton played at Post.... not Pace.

Darren Davy, who is now at FDU and spent a season at Misericordia, attended Pace.

Gotcha Lefty (my Miser "insider" knows jack squat :) So, Iton did do the "transfer down a level". Post is in a solid D-II conference. I am close to the Magee family and attend some Jefferson U games (still have a hard time calling it Jeff U.) They are in the same conference as Post. I wonder what, outside of Chandler's charm brought that about for a one year situation? I guess Iton got his Bachelor's at Post, had one year of eligibility left and is getting an accelerated Master's at Miser while playing hoops?.

I had no idea that Davy did the "transfer down a level" from Pace to Miser, followed by the transfer within the conference from Miser to FDU (and that's before the ex-Miser player became the now FDU coach). The MAC is almost becoming the NJAC with the transfers. OK, not quite. ;)

The all-timer this year was Mitchell, the ex-FDU women's coach (and a real charmer) took FDU's best three players, after recruiting season, with him to St. Peter's..........leaving the FDU women's program a mess this year. I'd love to know FDU Bill's thoughts if he was still around.

But it does look like I nailed 98% of the other factoids. ;)

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on February 04, 2019, 03:01:30 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on February 03, 2019, 01:39:23 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on February 03, 2019, 12:05:53 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on February 02, 2019, 09:44:55 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on February 02, 2019, 02:42:34 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on January 30, 2019, 02:36:25 PM
Tonight's Games:

DeSales 81 FDU 67
Eastern 74 Kings 67
Misericordia 78 Del Val 72
Wilkes 86 Manhattanville 79

I can't see DeSales and Eastern not finishing 1 and 2. 3rd and 4th see between Del Val Wilkes and Misericordia will come down to the last day of the year.

Today's games

DeSales 78 Wilkes 75
Del Val 81 Eastern 76
Misericordia 88 Manhattanville 75
King's 74 FDU 68

Good thing I haven't quit my day job  ;D My picks have been bad!!

Interesting day in the Freedom. Wilkes with a major win and Manhattanville upsets Misericordia. Del Val did just enough to edge Eastern on an off day for the Eagles.

Gordon Mann- are you here? I think you called the Del Val Eastern game today. Any thoughts on the Freedom?

Eastern was the hottest team in the league heading into this game (handing DeSales their only loss up to that point, on DeSales home court) and the Aggies somehow swept the season series from them. DelVal can't beat Miser nor DeSales, but sweeps Eastern, beats Wilkes at Wilkes (who just beat DeSales at Wilkes) and beats Manhattanville (at Manhattanville).........where Miser just lost by 12 yesterday. You never know. I like to look at underclassmen contributions vs. teams loaded up with seniors.

Eastern is an interesting situation. Coach has his Florida pipeline and will take players with only year of eligibility left. They lose their two stud guards (Duncan and Washington) along with Peel and Kastens. They do return Blet, Ruff (stud as a freshman) and Adams. Bowlers is an intriguing situation. I have heard from numerous people that he is at least in his late 20's, is married, has several kids, works full time overnight, goes to school and plays basketball. I have no idea how he does it and whether he bothers to play his senior year. If he does, Bowlers, Blet, Ruff and Adams form an excellent returning four and with Coach, you never know what rabbits he will pull out of his hat, including 6'7" and 6'8" rabbits.

DelVal is interesting as their best two overall players (no debate here, Washington and Robinson) are only sophomores, their best shooter is a junior (Cianculli), their point guard is a junior (Myers) and they have a freshman getting a lot of time (Johnson) and getting better by the game. They have two injury situations to underclassmen (guard Singleton, a real player, and a 6'6" junior, with two years of eligibility remaining, Russell). They only lose two seniors. If Coach Mark can get an impactful transfer from a higher level (think Kacherlis at DeSales, Iton at Miser, Bowlers at Eastern) and a freshmen or two who can play early, they could be in the playoff mix again next year.

Miser loses stud Kenny, Rodway, McCreary and transfers Iton and Mann. They do return Harding (first team All Mac next year and Rivera). I have no doubt Willie has some players on the bench and will bring in a transfer or two along with a solid freshman or three.

Wilkes had five guys who played 34+ minutes yesterday. The sixth and seventh player lodged 8 minutes each. They lose Robinson (four year starter), Evans (four year starter) and Bowen (three year starter). They do return both Mullins and Pecorelli, but both are seniors next year. Izzy needs to reload.

DeSales is DeSales. Great recruiting of incoming freshmen along with the almost annual transfer of a player from a higher level. This year's transfer, Kachelris, got a lot of time last year at Bloomsburg, as a true freshman. I truly don't know Coval how does it. The campus life isn't exactly mini-Penn State. It's like K.C. Keeler and the Rowan football team's from the 90's (that probably went wayyyyyyy over everybody's head here, except if Gordon is peeking in........as I don't see many here who spend time on the football boards). Of the 8 players who saw 15+ minutes yesterday, only 1 is a senior (Connaghan). In addition, a few are only freshmen and sophomores. I see DeSales as the clear, no-doubt-about-it leader heading into next season.

I'm going to leave out King's and FDU just because, as well as Manhattanville for obvious reasons (although I do wonder if Sean Smith is gettable given that the Smith and Cobbs Show loses Cobbs after this year........and before they move to that screwy New York conference).

Stevens is the wildcard. They are big (their two 6'7"'s and their 6'8" are all back next year). 14-8 overall. 7-6 in an average Empire 8. Beat #16 NJCU to start the season. Beat an 11-11 Alvernia team by 9. Only beat FDU by 1. I don't know where to put them, but I'll put them in the mix as a better team than Manhattanville.

2019 - 2020: DeSales by a wide margin. Eastern right behind them. Wilkes/Miser/DelVal in the next tier. Stevens as a wildcard. Something about this looks awful familiar to this year.

Lefty, shoot holes in my theories. ;)

I will also say this. If the playoffs are DeSales, Eastern, DelVal, Miser/Wilkes.........................the DelVal coach should get Coach of the Year given his roster relative to the depth of DeSales and the returning, experienced rosters of Eastern, Miser and Wilkes. Let's see if the coaches see it that way or if they take they lazy way out and give it to the coach with the best overall regular season record.

Saban and Sweeney have the best records every year but are not the best coaches. They'd better win with all of those five star All-Americans. The best coaches do the most with the least.

If Del Val finishes top two he better get it. Third, should.. fourth, winner of the league
should get it. Del Val lost two games on buzzer beaters, have been without Singleton for the past 14 games (a starter), Lybrant Robinson for 3 games (lost all three) and Russell will miss the year to constant concussions.  Credit to McNelly too. He lost Pena for the year then Clifton Adams for several games. They still stand at 7-3.

Talk about a big game Wednesday with Wilkes @ Mis.

I completely agree with you. Anything from first to third, the DelVal coach should get COY. Fourth, no way (although I'd argue fourth, but a game or two behind the prohibitive pre-season favorites, DeSales, Eastern and Miser/Wilkes........he should get consideration).

I hear the Singleton loss is huge. Russell would of at least given them a big (as Eastern and Miser have about 3-4 "bigs"). If Coach Mark gets Singleton and Russell back, along with Robinson, Washington, Cianculli, Myers and Johnson and brings in at least one big that can play right away (preferably a transfer) and a freshmen or two who can give them minutes, they could be in the mix next year.

I give the Eastern coach some credit (despite what a few folks at eastern think of him off the court). Although he did get to replace a 6'6", much-older-than-his-age Pena with a more athletic, 6'71/2" Blet and a 6'7" athletic Bowers. They have actually been playing a different and somewhat better brand of ball (faster) without Pena.

The Wilkes @ Miser game should be good. I am stunned at this year's Miser team. Just about every key player back (I can't think of one they lost) from last year's MAC Champ team. Adds a D-II tall, athletic transfer (Iton) and has not been bit much by even small injuries to key players, let alone season ending injuries...................and they are still scuffling. That game is the last regular season matchup for those two teams, for a ton of key players: Robinson, Evans, Bowen, Kenny, Rodway, McCreary and transfers Iton and Mann. That is a lot of talent hanging up the sneakers (and good for the other MAC teams not losing near as much) :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on February 04, 2019, 07:46:28 PM
JM-  How do you see this week shaking out for the top five teams?

DeSales- @ Manhattanville and vs Miser
Del Val- @King's and vs FDU
Eastern- @FDU and vs Manhattanville
Wilkes- @ Miser and vs King's
Miser- vs Wilkes and @DeSales

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on February 05, 2019, 09:54:40 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on February 04, 2019, 07:46:28 PM
JM-  How do you see this week shaking out for the top five teams?

DeSales- @ Manhattanville and vs Miser
Del Val- @King's and vs FDU
Eastern- @FDU and vs Manhattanville
Wilkes- @ Miser and vs King's
Miser- vs Wilkes and @DeSales

I see DeSales winning both games
DelVal loses at King's and beats FDU
Eastern wins both and Miser beats Wilkes and loses at DeSales

How about you CC?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on February 06, 2019, 08:18:05 AM
DeSales wins both
Del Val, by the skin of their teeth win both
Mis splits beating Wilkes and losing to DeSales
Wilkes loses to Misericordia and beats Kings
Eastern sweeps the week both by plus 10 beans

Final standings projection:

DeSales
Eastern
Del Val
Misericordia- could finish third
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on February 06, 2019, 11:30:07 AM
Quote from: CCHoopster on February 06, 2019, 08:18:05 AM
DeSales wins both
Del Val, by the skin of their teeth win both
Mis splits beating Wilkes and losing to DeSales
Wilkes loses to Misericordia and beats Kings
Eastern sweeps the week both by plus 10 beans

Final standings projection:

DeSales
Eastern
Del Val
Misericordia- could finish third

We agree on DeSales and Eastern winning both. We both have Miser beating Wilkes and losing to DeSales. I forgot Wilkes, but agree with you with a loss to Miser and a win against King's.

Our only difference is with DelVal. I've got them losing tonight and beating FDU. You've got them winning both.

My final projections:
1. DeSales
2. Eastern
3. Miser
4. DelVal/Wilkes - Whoever wins the Tuesday, February 12 game in Doylestown

Also, is Lefty a Miser person? That's what I usually see him chiming in about vs. the MAC as a whole or other Atlantic/Mid-Atlantic teams and conferences.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 06, 2019, 11:41:32 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on February 06, 2019, 11:30:07 AM
Quote from: CCHoopster on February 06, 2019, 08:18:05 AM
DeSales wins both
Del Val, by the skin of their teeth win both
Mis splits beating Wilkes and losing to DeSales
Wilkes loses to Misericordia and beats Kings
Eastern sweeps the week both by plus 10 beans

Final standings projection:

DeSales
Eastern
Del Val
Misericordia- could finish third

We agree on DeSales and Eastern winning both. We both have Miser beating Wilkes and losing to DeSales. I forgot Wilkes, but agree with you with a loss to Miser and a win against King's.

Our only difference is with DelVal. I've got them losing tonight and beating FDU. You've got them winning both.

My final projections:
1. DeSales
2. Eastern
3. Miser
4. DelVal/Wilkes - Whoever wins the Tuesday, February 12 game in Doylestown

Also, is Lefty a Miser person? That's what I usually see him chiming in about vs. the MAC as a whole or other Atlantic/Mid-Atlantic teams and conferences.
I consider myself thrifty, but miser is a bit strong.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 06, 2019, 04:16:20 PM
Here are the first rankings for the men this season: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on February 06, 2019, 10:47:04 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 06, 2019, 11:41:32 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on February 06, 2019, 11:30:07 AM
Quote from: CCHoopster on February 06, 2019, 08:18:05 AM
DeSales wins both
Del Val, by the skin of their teeth win both
Mis splits beating Wilkes and losing to DeSales
Wilkes loses to Misericordia and beats Kings
Eastern sweeps the week both by plus 10 beans

Final standings projection:

DeSales
Eastern
Del Val
Misericordia- could finish third

We agree on DeSales and Eastern winning both. We both have Miser beating Wilkes and losing to DeSales. I forgot Wilkes, but agree with you with a loss to Miser and a win against King's.

Our only difference is with DelVal. I've got them losing tonight and beating FDU. You've got them winning both.

My final projections:
1. DeSales
2. Eastern
3. Miser
4. DelVal/Wilkes - Whoever wins the Tuesday, February 12 game in Doylestown

Also, is Lefty a Miser person? That's what I usually see him chiming in about vs. the MAC as a whole or other Atlantic/Mid-Atlantic teams and conferences.
I consider myself thrifty, but miser is a bit strong.

Well Miser was anything but a bit strong tonight as they spit the bit at home and got taken apart by Wilkes. Wilkes swept Miser this year. Wilkes has a two game advantage over Miser for the final playoff spot as well as the tiebreaker. The defending MAC Champs, bringing everybody who was anybody back from last year's team AND adding a 6'6" Division II transfer into the mix, might be on the verge of not even making the MAC playoffs. That might be the most unlikely event in all of my years of watching the MAC. Unreal!! Maybe they go to DeSales and win on Saturday and still have a shot at the fourth spot as they have the tiebreaker with DelVal. But the Aggies would have to lose their final three games. They aren't a veteran team like Miser and Wilkes, but I don't see them losing their last three.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on February 07, 2019, 06:55:47 AM
Time to realize Misericordia is probably done and that Del Val just may be better than a 4th seed- one case is a "how does coach and team not make the playoffs with a returned roster of back to back champs" and the other is "how does this coach have this team playing 8-3 basketball with the roster they have playing a freshman and two sophomores in a 7 man rotation with a 6-2 center?". And Miser beat Del Val twice! DeSales is the cream of the crop still. Going to be a great final week!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 07, 2019, 10:24:32 AM
what is wrong with Kings?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on February 07, 2019, 11:51:50 AM
Quote from: CCHoopster on February 07, 2019, 06:55:47 AM
Time to realize Misericordia is probably done and that Del Val just may be better than a 4th seed- one case is a "how does coach and team not make the playoffs with a returned roster of back to back champs" and the other is "how does this coach have this team playing 8-3 basketball with the roster they have playing a freshman and two sophomores in a 7 man rotation with a 6-2 center?". And Miser beat Del Val twice! DeSales is the cream of the crop still. Going to be a great final week!

Short of losing their final three games, I have no clue, with THAT roster, how DelVal's coach does not get Coach of the Year!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on February 07, 2019, 11:53:07 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 07, 2019, 10:24:32 AM
what is wrong with Kings?

Sometimes you just don't have the goods. King's doesn't have the kids. It doesn't matter the height if your guards can't compete in the fight.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on February 07, 2019, 11:53:33 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 07, 2019, 10:24:32 AM
what is wrong with Kings?

That's a great question! They crushed a Wilkes team that swept that back-to-back champs, Misericordia. Maybe somebody else can take on the question in some detail.

I'm waiting for Lefty to tell us what in God's name happened to a stud Miser team this year?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on February 07, 2019, 11:55:27 AM
Quote from: CCHoopster on February 07, 2019, 11:53:07 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 07, 2019, 10:24:32 AM
what is wrong with Kings?

Sometimes you just don't have the goods. King's doesn't have the kids. It doesn't matter the height if your guards can't compete in the fight.

The Misericordia collpase is the most mind-boggling situation that I've ever seen in the MAC given that it isn't injury related or some other incredible outlier!!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on February 07, 2019, 12:10:10 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on February 07, 2019, 11:55:27 AM
Quote from: CCHoopster on February 07, 2019, 11:53:07 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 07, 2019, 10:24:32 AM
what is wrong with Kings?

Sometimes you just don't have the goods. King's doesn't have the kids. It doesn't matter the height if your guards can't compete in the fight.

The Misericordia collpase is the most mind-boggling situation that I've ever seen in the MAC given that it isn't injury related or some other incredible outlier!!!

Chemistry issue? I have my thoughts and I am from the pre-transfer age to preface- personally I think a seasoned veteran team would be better served with recruiting freshman rather than trying to fit transfers into a team/system/approach/philosophy/locker room on the fly. I think that hurt them. I'm just stunned how poorly Misericordia has looked besides when they play Del Val. And yes, like two years ago, the Del Val coach is working magic... they were picked 5th and now... What could he do with a roster like Misericordia or DeSales?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ronk on February 07, 2019, 02:57:20 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on February 07, 2019, 11:53:33 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 07, 2019, 10:24:32 AM
what is wrong with Kings?

That's a great question! They crushed a Wilkes team that swept that back-to-back champs, Misericordia. Maybe somebody else can take on the question in some detail.

I'm waiting for Lefty to tell us what in God's name happened to a stud Miser team this year?

Kings looked good in the cross-county game with Scranton; don't understand their big dips in the rest of their schedule.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on February 08, 2019, 07:22:46 AM
Saturday Picks

Misericordia 78 over DeSales 76
Eastern 76 over Manhattanville 66
Del Val 72 over FDU 68
Wilkes 91 Kings 70

DelVal 9-3
Eastern 9-3
DeSales 9-3
Wilkes 7-5
———————-
Misericordia 6-6
———————-
Manhattanville
Kings
FDU

The bottom three are eliminated. I believe if DeSales losses and both DVU and Eastern win (as I picked) DVU sits atop the three way tie beating Eastern twice and Eastern beating DeSales. If DeSales wins tomorrow vs Misericordia the latter would be eliminated.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 08, 2019, 09:41:25 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 07, 2019, 02:57:20 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on February 07, 2019, 11:53:33 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 07, 2019, 10:24:32 AM
what is wrong with Kings?

That's a great question! They crushed a Wilkes team that swept that back-to-back champs, Misericordia. Maybe somebody else can take on the question in some detail.

I'm waiting for Lefty to tell us what in God's name happened to a stud Miser team this year?

Kings looked good in the cross-county game with Scranton; don't understand their big dips in the rest of their schedule.

I think they had 14 first half points the other night.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on February 08, 2019, 12:27:09 PM
JM- factor in financial aid, cost, tradition, facilities, type of recruit generally, location, academics, major offerings etc... rate the MAC Freedom jobs. Go!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on February 10, 2019, 06:54:58 PM
King's looked very young to me. Their best two players were a freshman and a sophomore.

Could just be one of those seasons where the young guys take lumps.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2019, 03:23:16 PM
The second week Regional Rankings have been released: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on February 15, 2019, 04:05:03 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on February 08, 2019, 12:27:09 PM
JM- factor in financial aid, cost, tradition, facilities, type of recruit generally, location, academics, major offerings etc... rate the MAC Freedom jobs. Go!

CC - That's such a tough. loaded question. I usually avoid comparisons, especially academic, as I've seen and learned over 30+ years, it really means so little in so many cases. I went to what some would call an "elite" (or snobby) school. There is zero, or even less than a zero percent chance that I would even sniff getting in to that school today. I'm being honest.........not a chance that I'd get even close to making the cut.

I've worked for two Fortune 50 CPG companies. I've been a consultant to senior level management at many CPG companies. I did feasibility studies for sports teams/ownership and state/city/county govt officials for stadiums, arenas and convention centers. I've managed money for higher income folks (portfolio minimum = 2.5 million / average portfolio = 6.87 million) and now do that for a handful of select accounts, while trading (primarily other people's "fun money") oil and nat gas.

My client list has, and still does, include grads of colleges and universities all over the map. My largest account? A former frat boy from that prestigious East Stroudsburg State College (back in the day). My second largest? One of Philadelphia's most successful attorney's........................and a graduate of Bloomsburg State College. I've got a huge account from a Holy Family University (most on this board couldn't tell me what that is or where it's at) grad.....................and on and on and on. Yes, I have a few Ivy League accounts as well as a few blue blood, trust fund, types of accounts. I have a big account from a couple who dropped out of Lock Haven State College and one who lasted all of six months at Villanova. My point to all of this is the following.

I've hired and fired folks from "elite" schools. I gave chances to hungry folks from "not-so-elite" schools. A buddy of mine unofficially retired, in his mid-40's, after starting and selling five companies. He received an engineering degree from, wait for it, Spring Garden College. It was a small school in Philly..................that hasn't even existed for a couple of decades (think of Upsala, before Upsala, closed).

I moved out to Doylestown almost 20 years ago and knew squatta about the MAC and Delaware Valley College. I thought it was a school where farmers went. 20 years later..................I've had my ankle and knee replaced...................by an ortho surgeon who happened to go to DelVal for his undergrad. My dogs go to the #1 rated vet in the five county area...................a DelVal grad (although I guess some say that makes sense because dogs are animals). The divorce lawyer who saved me went to DelVal/Temple (while my ex had a U of Penn/Penn Law grad) and he/we won in a 3rd round TKO.

After teaching a few classes at night, I really had a change of heart (especially relative to where I went). I love the schools who take chances on kids. Kids who might have but one or two chances to get out of bad places. I can't speak intelligently about most of the MAC schools, but given my 20 years in the area, I'd say this. If a high school senior has a real interest in the sciences, DelVal is an excellent choice. Pharma companies in the area eat up their chemistry, biochemistry and biology grads. An interest in becoming a doctor, dentist, or, especially, a veterinarian? Those grads get in to many of the best medical, dental and vet schools in the area and across the country. I'm not an animal person (other than owning dogs) but they were just ranked a Top 20 school, across the country, in animal sciences. I'm not into farming or any of that kind of stuff................but I'm glad that there is some people who are, as I love to eat and drink. A saw some type of report that showed some of the largest schools in the country (Penn State, Kansas State, Texas A&M and about 15 others, most in farming communities in the Midwest) actually have more ag and ag related majors than DelVal has in their entire undergrad population. That blew my mind as I've heard DelVal called an ag school in the past, but have never heard the word or phrase uttered once re: Penn State nor any of the other schools.

I run across people who brag about their schools...............average annual salaries, blah, blah, blah. I personally feel that is so misleading and counter-factual. Some kids want to go to school and come out and make a ton of money. Some kids actually want to make a difference. DelVal (and schools like it) crank out future teachers and administrators. Sure, when you factor in the salaries in the first few years, it is going to make the average artificially low. Some kids actually want to work for non-profits. Nobody is getting wealthy that way. Some kids want to go into law enforcement.......local or maybe the FBI. Those kids are never going to drive any school's average annual salary figure to the stratosphere.

I've taught finance classes at DelVal and four other local schools over the past 15 or so years. For the fifth consecutive year, DelVal has placed in the Top Ten (in 2017, out of 87 schools) in the State of PA for the highest percentage, first time pass rate for the CPA Exam. Another MAC school, Lycoming, has also been on the same Top Ten list all five years as well. Your eyes would bug out if you saw the schools that Lycoming and DelVal routinely "best" each year. Schools like Pitt, Penn State, Duqeunse, Lehigh, Lafayette, Bucknell, F&M, Temple, as well as many smaller schools. This is not to imply that Lyco and DelVal are "better" schools than any of the listed schools, but, within both schools, there are options to really excel.

I haven't had the need for any counseling psychology services (although my divorce some years ago had me at the brink at times :) ) but I am friends with a lot of people who rave about DelVal's counseling psychology program (I didn't even know they had one). Widener has some excellent programs. Lyco has a nice business program. Misericordia has an awesome physical therapy program (I have a buddy who went there and he and his wife just opened up there sixth location). Many MAC schools have excellent nursing programs and while many might not aspire to that.........we are thankful when in the hospital and in need of nursing care. Most students don't go to Ivy League schools, nor Duke, Stanford or M.I.T. to come out and teach...........but we are all so very thankful for living in great public school districts (or paying for private schools) and understand the critical nature of teachers and their impact on our children. We have great demands on them, while most of us had no interest (as we chased the money) to do it ourselves. If I could go back, I'd teach and coach in a heartbeat. Become a principal and then a superintendent. Marry a woman with the same life plan, and in the Council Rock and CB school districts, make our $600K-650K combined with great benefits for life.

The facilities thing is interesting but if you've been around the MAC, many middle schools have nice gyms. Eastern's gym is a bad grade school gym. DeSales gym has bleachers about six rows high. Manhattanville is a heaping mess. FDU is kind of a semi-dump. DelVal is actually OK compared to those. King's and Wilkes are nice and clean. Miser's is just strange. Nice, but strange. I actually like Arcadia's very much. Widener is bleh. LebVal is very nice. Messiah is gorgeous. I've been to 150+ D3 gyms. Wesley's might be the worst. It's Beirut meets Cairo. LBC is clean, but tiny. Bryn Athyn has to be seen to be imagined. One can not describe it. Give me the kid who will bust it in average facilities vs. the kid who loves the big, beautiful weight room (while he and most the football team rarely use it). Give me the kid who has that 'dog' in him, who likes that underdog mantra, who has a lot of doubters, on and off the field. What DelVal has done for 15+ years with their football program, with THOSE facilities, speaks a ton about the coaches and the kids.

I can't really rank anything, but I wanted to give you a flavor for how I see the world, through my experiences, regarding education. I met a guy last month (through a friend) who dropped out of college after a couple of months. he didn't need it. Didn't want it. It bored him and was just wasting his time. He made his first million before turning 22 and has now passed 4 BILLION in terms of his net worth. He owns a piece of the Sixers (bought, not Trust Fund Money in his family) and has a retail empire, some of it tied into pro sports (Fanatics). He's never knocked education, but he has stated that it would have delayed him by years and years. he is one of the smartest (not M.I.T. "smart") people I've ever spoken to in person. Another buddy (who barely got through high school) just opened up his 25th Five Guys, to go along with a bunch of Rita's Water Ice's and Applebee's. He spoke to my son (which might have been a mistake in hindsight ;) ) and now my kid wants to be a "business man". He lacks the direction that, obviously, guys like this, always had in their DNA.

Phew, my fingers are tired. But there is the unofficial MAC/Non-MAC/Value of Higher Education "Ranking". I truly believe that anybody can make a success (how "they", not how society, defines "success") of themselves, regardless of where they go to school and for some........................if they go to school..........................like my plumbing buddy, a mental midget of sorts growing up, who just put his 100th truck on the street last year. And yes...................I do trade his "fun money" ;)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 18, 2019, 12:50:11 PM
As to facilities at our respective MAC Freedom gyms,  it would be great if we could combine the extensive food menu at DeSales and the tables and comfy chairs at Del Val.   This year there was very sparse food at DVU and no seating at DeSales.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Oline89 on February 19, 2019, 12:35:42 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on February 15, 2019, 04:05:03 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on February 08, 2019, 12:27:09 PM
JM- factor in financial aid, cost, tradition, facilities, type of recruit generally, location, academics, major offerings etc... rate the MAC Freedom jobs. Go!

CC - That's such a tough. loaded question. I usually avoid comparisons, especially academic, as I've seen and learned over 30+ years, it really means so little in so many cases. I went to what some would call an "elite" (or snobby) school. There is zero, or even less than a zero percent chance that I would even sniff getting in to that school today. I'm being honest.........not a chance that I'd get even close to making the cut.

I've worked for two Fortune 50 CPG companies. I've been a consultant to senior level management at many CPG companies. I did feasibility studies for sports teams/ownership and state/city/county govt officials for stadiums, arenas and convention centers. I've managed money for higher income folks (portfolio minimum = 2.5 million / average portfolio = 6.87 million) and now do that for a handful of select accounts, while trading (primarily other people's "fun money") oil and nat gas.

My client list has, and still does, include grads of colleges and universities all over the map. My largest account? A former frat boy from that prestigious East Stroudsburg State College (back in the day). My second largest? One of Philadelphia's most successful attorney's........................and a graduate of Bloomsburg State College. I've got a huge account from a Holy Family University (most on this board couldn't tell me what that is or where it's at) grad.....................and on and on and on. Yes, I have a few Ivy League accounts as well as a few blue blood, trust fund, types of accounts. I have a big account from a couple who dropped out of Lock Haven State College and one who lasted all of six months at Villanova. My point to all of this is the following.

I've hired and fired folks from "elite" schools. I gave chances to hungry folks from "not-so-elite" schools. A buddy of mine unofficially retired, in his mid-40's, after starting and selling five companies. He received an engineering degree from, wait for it, Spring Garden College. It was a small school in Philly..................that hasn't even existed for a couple of decades (think of Upsala, before Upsala, closed).

I moved out to Doylestown almost 20 years ago and knew squatta about the MAC and Delaware Valley College. I thought it was a school where farmers went. 20 years later..................I've had my ankle and knee replaced...................by an ortho surgeon who happened to go to DelVal for his undergrad. My dogs go to the #1 rated vet in the five county area...................a DelVal grad (although I guess some say that makes sense because dogs are animals). The divorce lawyer who saved me went to DelVal/Temple (while my ex had a U of Penn/Penn Law grad) and he/we won in a 3rd round TKO.

After teaching a few classes at night, I really had a change of heart (especially relative to where I went). I love the schools who take chances on kids. Kids who might have but one or two chances to get out of bad places. I can't speak intelligently about most of the MAC schools, but given my 20 years in the area, I'd say this. If a high school senior has a real interest in the sciences, DelVal is an excellent choice. Pharma companies in the area eat up their chemistry, biochemistry and biology grads. An interest in becoming a doctor, dentist, or, especially, a veterinarian? Those grads get in to many of the best medical, dental and vet schools in the area and across the country. I'm not an animal person (other than owning dogs) but they were just ranked a Top 20 school, across the country, in animal sciences. I'm not into farming or any of that kind of stuff................but I'm glad that there is some people who are, as I love to eat and drink. A saw some type of report that showed some of the largest schools in the country (Penn State, Kansas State, Texas A&M and about 15 others, most in farming communities in the Midwest) actually have more ag and ag related majors than DelVal has in their entire undergrad population. That blew my mind as I've heard DelVal called an ag school in the past, but have never heard the word or phrase uttered once re: Penn State nor any of the other schools.

I run across people who brag about their schools...............average annual salaries, blah, blah, blah. I personally feel that is so misleading and counter-factual. Some kids want to go to school and come out and make a ton of money. Some kids actually want to make a difference. DelVal (and schools like it) crank out future teachers and administrators. Sure, when you factor in the salaries in the first few years, it is going to make the average artificially low. Some kids actually want to work for non-profits. Nobody is getting wealthy that way. Some kids want to go into law enforcement.......local or maybe the FBI. Those kids are never going to drive any school's average annual salary figure to the stratosphere.

I've taught finance classes at DelVal and four other local schools over the past 15 or so years. For the fifth consecutive year, DelVal has placed in the Top Ten (in 2017, out of 87 schools) in the State of PA for the highest percentage, first time pass rate for the CPA Exam. Another MAC school, Lycoming, has also been on the same Top Ten list all five years as well. Your eyes would bug out if you saw the schools that Lycoming and DelVal routinely "best" each year. Schools like Pitt, Penn State, Duqeunse, Lehigh, Lafayette, Bucknell, F&M, Temple, as well as many smaller schools. This is not to imply that Lyco and DelVal are "better" schools than any of the listed schools, but, within both schools, there are options to really excel.

I haven't had the need for any counseling psychology services (although my divorce some years ago had me at the brink at times :) ) but I am friends with a lot of people who rave about DelVal's counseling psychology program (I didn't even know they had one). Widener has some excellent programs. Lyco has a nice business program. Misericordia has an awesome physical therapy program (I have a buddy who went there and he and his wife just opened up there sixth location). Many MAC schools have excellent nursing programs and while many might not aspire to that.........we are thankful when in the hospital and in need of nursing care. Most students don't go to Ivy League schools, nor Duke, Stanford or M.I.T. to come out and teach...........but we are all so very thankful for living in great public school districts (or paying for private schools) and understand the critical nature of teachers and their impact on our children. We have great demands on them, while most of us had no interest (as we chased the money) to do it ourselves. If I could go back, I'd teach and coach in a heartbeat. Become a principal and then a superintendent. Marry a woman with the same life plan, and in the Council Rock and CB school districts, make our $600K-650K combined with great benefits for life.

The facilities thing is interesting but if you've been around the MAC, many middle schools have nice gyms. Eastern's gym is a bad grade school gym. DeSales gym has bleachers about six rows high. Manhattanville is a heaping mess. FDU is kind of a semi-dump. DelVal is actually OK compared to those. King's and Wilkes are nice and clean. Miser's is just strange. Nice, but strange. I actually like Arcadia's very much. Widener is bleh. LebVal is very nice. Messiah is gorgeous. I've been to 150+ D3 gyms. Wesley's might be the worst. It's Beirut meets Cairo. LBC is clean, but tiny. Bryn Athyn has to be seen to be imagined. One can not describe it. Give me the kid who will bust it in average facilities vs. the kid who loves the big, beautiful weight room (while he and most the football team rarely use it). Give me the kid who has that 'dog' in him, who likes that underdog mantra, who has a lot of doubters, on and off the field. What DelVal has done for 15+ years with their football program, with THOSE facilities, speaks a ton about the coaches and the kids.

I can't really rank anything, but I wanted to give you a flavor for how I see the world, through my experiences, regarding education. I met a guy last month (through a friend) who dropped out of college after a couple of months. he didn't need it. Didn't want it. It bored him and was just wasting his time. He made his first million before turning 22 and has now passed 4 BILLION in terms of his net worth. He owns a piece of the Sixers (bought, not Trust Fund Money in his family) and has a retail empire, some of it tied into pro sports (Fanatics). He's never knocked education, but he has stated that it would have delayed him by years and years. he is one of the smartest (not M.I.T. "smart") people I've ever spoken to in person. Another buddy (who barely got through high school) just opened up his 25th Five Guys, to go along with a bunch of Rita's Water Ice's and Applebee's. He spoke to my son (which might have been a mistake in hindsight ;) ) and now my kid wants to be a "business man". He lacks the direction that, obviously, guys like this, always had in their DNA.

Phew, my fingers are tired. But there is the unofficial MAC/Non-MAC/Value of Higher Education "Ranking". I truly believe that anybody can make a success (how "they", not how society, defines "success") of themselves, regardless of where they go to school and for some........................if they go to school..........................like my plumbing buddy, a mental midget of sorts growing up, who just put his 100th truck on the street last year. And yes...................I do trade his "fun money" ;)

First time reading anything on this board ( I signed in to check up on DeSales BBall, I know most of the players/coaches).  This is the single best post I have read on any D3 board in 3 years.  Thanks
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on February 20, 2019, 02:42:02 PM
Combine DeSales and Del Val?

DeSalaware Valley University!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2019, 02:47:58 PM
Delaware Valley University of St. Francis DeSales?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2019, 03:38:43 PM
The third public NCAA Division III regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-third
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on February 21, 2019, 08:20:29 AM
Mac Freedom Championship play begins tonight.


DeSales 86 home vs Del Val 70. This one won't be close

Wilkes 76 home vs Eastern 71. Home team with late free throws to ice it.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 21, 2019, 10:14:03 AM
To Gordon and Pat - perish the thought that the two institutions would EVER combine!   :)!    Believe you me, i was referring to food ONLY and the trappings for said food!   Ugh!  :)!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: saratoga on February 23, 2019, 10:43:14 AM

I'm sensing Kate is not feeling the love of "like-mindedness".  ;)

Come on up to a Lady Royal game Kate, you can sit in plush chairs or sofa's in the lobby surrounded by trophies from the past 100 years & enjoy the world famous Royal Dog's, pizza and an assortment of other munchies.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on February 23, 2019, 10:17:35 PM
Congrats DeSales. Clear class of the Freedom.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 27, 2019, 03:04:31 PM
Hello Saratoga!   We won't be up, but we will be watching!   Have fun!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on February 28, 2019, 09:27:56 AM
Quote from: Oline89 on February 19, 2019, 12:35:42 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on February 15, 2019, 04:05:03 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on February 08, 2019, 12:27:09 PM
JM- factor in financial aid, cost, tradition, facilities, type of recruit generally, location, academics, major offerings etc... rate the MAC Freedom jobs. Go!

CC - That's such a tough. loaded question. I usually avoid comparisons, especially academic, as I've seen and learned over 30+ years, it really means so little in so many cases. I went to what some would call an "elite" (or snobby) school. There is zero, or even less than a zero percent chance that I would even sniff getting in to that school today. I'm being honest.........not a chance that I'd get even close to making the cut.

I've worked for two Fortune 50 CPG companies. I've been a consultant to senior level management at many CPG companies. I did feasibility studies for sports teams/ownership and state/city/county govt officials for stadiums, arenas and convention centers. I've managed money for higher income folks (portfolio minimum = 2.5 million / average portfolio = 6.87 million) and now do that for a handful of select accounts, while trading (primarily other people's "fun money") oil and nat gas.

My client list has, and still does, include grads of colleges and universities all over the map. My largest account? A former frat boy from that prestigious East Stroudsburg State College (back in the day). My second largest? One of Philadelphia's most successful attorney's........................and a graduate of Bloomsburg State College. I've got a huge account from a Holy Family University (most on this board couldn't tell me what that is or where it's at) grad.....................and on and on and on. Yes, I have a few Ivy League accounts as well as a few blue blood, trust fund, types of accounts. I have a big account from a couple who dropped out of Lock Haven State College and one who lasted all of six months at Villanova. My point to all of this is the following.

I've hired and fired folks from "elite" schools. I gave chances to hungry folks from "not-so-elite" schools. A buddy of mine unofficially retired, in his mid-40's, after starting and selling five companies. He received an engineering degree from, wait for it, Spring Garden College. It was a small school in Philly..................that hasn't even existed for a couple of decades (think of Upsala, before Upsala, closed).

I moved out to Doylestown almost 20 years ago and knew squatta about the MAC and Delaware Valley College. I thought it was a school where farmers went. 20 years later..................I've had my ankle and knee replaced...................by an ortho surgeon who happened to go to DelVal for his undergrad. My dogs go to the #1 rated vet in the five county area...................a DelVal grad (although I guess some say that makes sense because dogs are animals). The divorce lawyer who saved me went to DelVal/Temple (while my ex had a U of Penn/Penn Law grad) and he/we won in a 3rd round TKO.

After teaching a few classes at night, I really had a change of heart (especially relative to where I went). I love the schools who take chances on kids. Kids who might have but one or two chances to get out of bad places. I can't speak intelligently about most of the MAC schools, but given my 20 years in the area, I'd say this. If a high school senior has a real interest in the sciences, DelVal is an excellent choice. Pharma companies in the area eat up their chemistry, biochemistry and biology grads. An interest in becoming a doctor, dentist, or, especially, a veterinarian? Those grads get in to many of the best medical, dental and vet schools in the area and across the country. I'm not an animal person (other than owning dogs) but they were just ranked a Top 20 school, across the country, in animal sciences. I'm not into farming or any of that kind of stuff................but I'm glad that there is some people who are, as I love to eat and drink. A saw some type of report that showed some of the largest schools in the country (Penn State, Kansas State, Texas A&M and about 15 others, most in farming communities in the Midwest) actually have more ag and ag related majors than DelVal has in their entire undergrad population. That blew my mind as I've heard DelVal called an ag school in the past, but have never heard the word or phrase uttered once re: Penn State nor any of the other schools.

I run across people who brag about their schools...............average annual salaries, blah, blah, blah. I personally feel that is so misleading and counter-factual. Some kids want to go to school and come out and make a ton of money. Some kids actually want to make a difference. DelVal (and schools like it) crank out future teachers and administrators. Sure, when you factor in the salaries in the first few years, it is going to make the average artificially low. Some kids actually want to work for non-profits. Nobody is getting wealthy that way. Some kids want to go into law enforcement.......local or maybe the FBI. Those kids are never going to drive any school's average annual salary figure to the stratosphere.

I've taught finance classes at DelVal and four other local schools over the past 15 or so years. For the fifth consecutive year, DelVal has placed in the Top Ten (in 2017, out of 87 schools) in the State of PA for the highest percentage, first time pass rate for the CPA Exam. Another MAC school, Lycoming, has also been on the same Top Ten list all five years as well. Your eyes would bug out if you saw the schools that Lycoming and DelVal routinely "best" each year. Schools like Pitt, Penn State, Duqeunse, Lehigh, Lafayette, Bucknell, F&M, Temple, as well as many smaller schools. This is not to imply that Lyco and DelVal are "better" schools than any of the listed schools, but, within both schools, there are options to really excel.

I haven't had the need for any counseling psychology services (although my divorce some years ago had me at the brink at times :) ) but I am friends with a lot of people who rave about DelVal's counseling psychology program (I didn't even know they had one). Widener has some excellent programs. Lyco has a nice business program. Misericordia has an awesome physical therapy program (I have a buddy who went there and he and his wife just opened up there sixth location). Many MAC schools have excellent nursing programs and while many might not aspire to that.........we are thankful when in the hospital and in need of nursing care. Most students don't go to Ivy League schools, nor Duke, Stanford or M.I.T. to come out and teach...........but we are all so very thankful for living in great public school districts (or paying for private schools) and understand the critical nature of teachers and their impact on our children. We have great demands on them, while most of us had no interest (as we chased the money) to do it ourselves. If I could go back, I'd teach and coach in a heartbeat. Become a principal and then a superintendent. Marry a woman with the same life plan, and in the Council Rock and CB school districts, make our $600K-650K combined with great benefits for life.

The facilities thing is interesting but if you've been around the MAC, many middle schools have nice gyms. Eastern's gym is a bad grade school gym. DeSales gym has bleachers about six rows high. Manhattanville is a heaping mess. FDU is kind of a semi-dump. DelVal is actually OK compared to those. King's and Wilkes are nice and clean. Miser's is just strange. Nice, but strange. I actually like Arcadia's very much. Widener is bleh. LebVal is very nice. Messiah is gorgeous. I've been to 150+ D3 gyms. Wesley's might be the worst. It's Beirut meets Cairo. LBC is clean, but tiny. Bryn Athyn has to be seen to be imagined. One can not describe it. Give me the kid who will bust it in average facilities vs. the kid who loves the big, beautiful weight room (while he and most the football team rarely use it). Give me the kid who has that 'dog' in him, who likes that underdog mantra, who has a lot of doubters, on and off the field. What DelVal has done for 15+ years with their football program, with THOSE facilities, speaks a ton about the coaches and the kids.

I can't really rank anything, but I wanted to give you a flavor for how I see the world, through my experiences, regarding education. I met a guy last month (through a friend) who dropped out of college after a couple of months. he didn't need it. Didn't want it. It bored him and was just wasting his time. He made his first million before turning 22 and has now passed 4 BILLION in terms of his net worth. He owns a piece of the Sixers (bought, not Trust Fund Money in his family) and has a retail empire, some of it tied into pro sports (Fanatics). He's never knocked education, but he has stated that it would have delayed him by years and years. he is one of the smartest (not M.I.T. "smart") people I've ever spoken to in person. Another buddy (who barely got through high school) just opened up his 25th Five Guys, to go along with a bunch of Rita's Water Ice's and Applebee's. He spoke to my son (which might have been a mistake in hindsight ;) ) and now my kid wants to be a "business man". He lacks the direction that, obviously, guys like this, always had in their DNA.

Phew, my fingers are tired. But there is the unofficial MAC/Non-MAC/Value of Higher Education "Ranking". I truly believe that anybody can make a success (how "they", not how society, defines "success") of themselves, regardless of where they go to school and for some........................if they go to school..........................like my plumbing buddy, a mental midget of sorts growing up, who just put his 100th truck on the street last year. And yes...................I do trade his "fun money" ;)

First time reading anything on this board ( I signed in to check up on DeSales BBall, I know most of the players/coaches).  This is the single best post I have read on any D3 board in 3 years.  Thanks

Thanks Oline!!! Single best post on any D3 board in 3 years? I'm blushing (let's keep the NESCAC folks away from reading it though as they would mock it, while knowing it's true, ego would get in the way ;) )

Trading during the day......................and I'd cover D3 sports (football and basketball) for Pat, FOR FREE, if he needed or wanted the help! :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 22, 2019, 10:59:13 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on February 28, 2019, 09:27:56 AM


Thanks Oline!!! Single best post on any D3 board in 3 years? I'm blushing (let's keep the NESCAC folks away from reading it though as they would mock it, while knowing it's true, ego would get in the way ;) )

Trading during the day......................and I'd cover D3 sports (football and basketball) for Pat, FOR FREE, if he needed or wanted the help! :)
I know what you mean.  +1!

... and I agree about "hungry kids" who just want a chance. McMurry, my alma mater, is a real "first generation" school.  There are no BMW's in the student parking lot.
I am coming up on 20 years on these boards, myself.  It has been and still is fun.

Gotta have a day job, tho'.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on March 22, 2019, 06:03:30 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 22, 2019, 10:59:13 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on February 28, 2019, 09:27:56 AM


Thanks Oline!!! Single best post on any D3 board in 3 years? I'm blushing (let's keep the NESCAC folks away from reading it though as they would mock it, while knowing it's true, ego would get in the way ;) )

Trading during the day......................and I'd cover D3 sports (football and basketball) for Pat, FOR FREE, if he needed or wanted the help! :)
I know what you mean.  +1!

... and I agree about "hungry kids" who just want a chance. McMurry, my alma mater, is a real "first generation" school.  There are no BMW's in the student parking lot.
I am coming up on 20 years on these boards, myself.  It has been and still is fun.

Gotta have a day job, tho'.

Spot on Ralph! I'd never knock an "elite" school in any way, shape or form, but I've met so many wildly successful (by many, many, many different definitions) people from the "non-elite" schools that I was in a while have to remind those who look down on others, that it might open up some doors unavailable to some, but it does squat to keep you inside. The number of Ivy Leaguer's I've had to can over the years would blow your mind!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on April 02, 2019, 10:17:11 AM
York to the commonwealth
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 02, 2019, 12:02:52 PM
Yep ... it was a long dance, but it has happened.

http://www.ycpspartans.com/sports/generalreleases/York_MAC_Announcement
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on April 14, 2019, 09:40:44 AM
Quote from: CCHoopster on March 19, 2019, 02:01:14 PM
Let's all recheck our sources because March 31st has potential to be a day where a conference votes to add York. It's not the NJAC, Cent or Landmark.

AD's will be conversing/voting to move a team from the 10 member commonwealth to the 8 member Freedom. It will be Lycoming if they chose to move a team and do so. If they do move and have two 9 team conferences, they will be looking to add a 10th team in both.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on May 07, 2019, 03:59:01 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on April 14, 2019, 09:40:44 AM
Quote from: CCHoopster on March 19, 2019, 02:01:14 PM
Let's all recheck our sources because March 31st has potential to be a day where a conference votes to add York. It's not the NJAC, Cent or Landmark.

AD's will be conversing/voting to move a team from the 10 member commonwealth to the 8 member Freedom. It will be Lycoming if they chose to move a team and do so. If they do move and have two 9 team conferences, they will be looking to add a 10th team in both.

I get the move of Arcadia from the Commonwealth to the Freedom to balance out the two divisions........................I have zero clue as to why the Lycoming/Eastern (or Arcadia/Eastern) flip flop was also part of it. Time to make a phone call or three. ;)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on May 07, 2019, 09:07:00 PM
Here's the release:

https://arcadiaknights.com/news/2019/5/7/general-mac-announces-realignment-for-2020-21.aspx
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on May 08, 2019, 08:21:50 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on May 07, 2019, 09:07:00 PM
Here's the release:

https://arcadiaknights.com/news/2019/5/7/general-mac-announces-realignment-for-2020-21.aspx

Gordon, have you heard anything about why it wasn't just a simple move of Arcadia over to the Freedom? I'm confused by the Lycoming and Eastern flip flop. Thanks!

I'm hearing that the AEC is having no luck (so far) in trying to get at least one, if not two teams, to come over from the MAC. My guess would be two non-football schools like Arcadia (who was moving at one point early on) and Eastern. Stay tuned.

I don't think that CAC has a prayer with any of the MAC schools, although a couple have been courted (easy to guess who).
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 13, 2019, 09:12:02 PM
Arcadia was going to be an original member of the AEC ... it then got convoluted at Arcadia. They changed their minds six-ways to Sunday ... and twice on Sunday. Eventually the new president decided to stay in the MAC.

If they were chasing Eastern, and they may have, I am not surprised they didn't get them. They would have been more successful if Arcadia had left for the AEC.

Give it time ... MAC always gets large and then loses a few members. I am sure it will happen again. :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on May 14, 2019, 04:56:38 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 13, 2019, 09:12:02 PM
Arcadia was going to be an original member of the AEC ... it then got convoluted at Arcadia. They changed their minds six-ways to Sunday ... and twice on Sunday. Eventually the new president decided to stay in the MAC.

If they were chasing Eastern, and they may have, I am not surprised they didn't get them. They would have been more successful if Arcadia had left for the AEC.

Give it time ... MAC always gets large and then loses a few members. I am sure it will happen again. :)

No doubt Dave, it will (and my eyes are still on Arcadia and Eastern..........someday).

Do you have any idea why it wasn't just left at Arcadia moving from the Commonwealth to the Freedom to balance at nine teams each.............but also included the Lycoming for Eastern flip flop? A solid contact did not want to get into it, with the exception of an eye roll (I'm not a good eye roll reader ;) )
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on May 15, 2019, 04:08:20 PM
My uninformed guess on the Lycoming shift is geographic proximity. Lycoming is in Pennsylvania's northern tier along with Wilkes, King's and Misericordia so it makes sense to keep them together. But I'm just guessing.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on May 15, 2019, 08:06:18 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on May 15, 2019, 04:08:20 PM
My uninformed guess on the Lycoming shift is geographic proximity. Lycoming is in Pennsylvania's northern tier along with Wilkes, King's and Misericordia so it makes sense to keep them together. But I'm just guessing.

Gordon, I think that you are correct........................although I had two people tell me that Lycoming was actually the first domino (conference switcher to even things out) and the second domino was the flip flop of Arcadia and Eastern. In that case, the flip flop makes zero sense to me. I heard a certain school (eh hem) is getting real close to an A.D. announcement. Are you hearing the same thing (if you can comment)?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on May 16, 2019, 12:20:09 PM
I have not heard that about that particular MAC school, but I'm eager to hear any announcement. :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 16, 2019, 02:03:35 PM
I have been hearing for YEARS that Lyco was not interested in trips to Hood and such from their location and that the travel to Freedom teams was more in line with their location. Add in the fact Stevens is in the Freedom now, and Lyco going to the Freedom makes sense from the point of view of the MAC.

Furthermore, this is a bigger move to have the Freedom truly be the eastern side of the conference (and Atlantic region, for now) and the Commonwealth be the western side (and Mid-Atlantic, for now).
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on May 17, 2019, 09:55:31 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on May 16, 2019, 12:20:09 PM
I have not heard that about that particular MAC school, but I'm eager to hear any announcement. :)

As are we........................especially if it gets you, possibly, out to the road football games once again, of said institution. ;)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on May 17, 2019, 09:57:07 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 16, 2019, 02:03:35 PM
I have been hearing for YEARS that Lyco was not interested in trips to Hood and such from their location and that the travel to Freedom teams was more in line with their location. Add in the fact Stevens is in the Freedom now, and Lyco going to the Freedom makes sense from the point of view of the MAC.

Furthermore, this is a bigger move to have the Freedom truly be the eastern side of the conference (and Atlantic region, for now) and the Commonwealth be the western side (and Mid-Atlantic, for now).

Spot on Dave. Your second paragraph nails it and my MAC related questions are done as a result (until the "poachers" come around and are successful in grabbing at least two of them ;) )
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ucaafan on June 17, 2019, 12:58:35 PM
Looks like Coach Pat Scanlon has left Manhattanville as team is preparing return to Skyline Conference. Doubt that conference change had anything to do with his decision. Wishing him the best wherever he heads next.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on July 23, 2019, 12:13:29 PM
New look for the MAC: 
https://gomacsports.com/news/2019/7/22/general-mac-launches-brand-campaign-with-new-visual-identity.aspx


Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on July 24, 2019, 03:19:17 PM
Quote from: ucaafan on June 17, 2019, 12:58:35 PM
Looks like Coach Pat Scanlon has left Manhattanville as team is preparing return to Skyline Conference. Doubt that conference change had anything to do with his decision. Wishing him the best wherever he heads next.

And they have yet to take his name off of the men's hoops website. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on August 02, 2019, 04:29:10 PM
He took the boy's basketball head coaching job at Greenwich (Conn.) Country Day School (https://www.gcds.net/athletics/staff).

No offense to Manhattanville, but I'm assuming the salary is much higher there.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on August 14, 2019, 08:23:50 PM
Before seeing rosters. Anyone have thoughts on this league or rumors? I think Wilkes lost the most of the playoff teams but Misericordia lost the most overall (and still missed playoffs last year). I can't see Misericordia being a top 4 team.

DeSales could have a special season. Clearly the favorite to win it. They have added a suspended all conference player back, a D2 transfer and return all but 1 to a championship team. 20 plus wins. THey have a strong non conference schedule. If they see lots of success there I think they can really take care of the league (12-2/13-1)

Del Val- Wild Card team... Can probably finish 1-5. They finished 4th (game out of second), lost 4 seniors and Twitter says LJ Robinson left the program for Drew. They were up half dozen to a dozen at one point in the semi finals last year at DeSales. Rumor has it they have loaded up on transfers this year. They return 4 of their top 7 in Myers, Ciunciulli, second team all conference Damnian Washington and  the freshman Johnson. If they indeed have a strong and deep recruiting class ready to play, could be a really tough team- my surprise team of the year.

Eastern- New coach... could go a few different ways. They do have the best front court in the league and two first team all conference forwards in Bowlers and Pena (ACL was out for last year at Christmas and will be back). Add the 6'8 lefty off the bench and they are huge! Not sure about their guard play- Washington and Duncan were both all league guards, really top talent level players. The left handed freshman wing from last year will be a good player- too emotional but athletic and can defend and rebound. Not a shooter. The coach will have to adjust. It's a big jump going from sitting to standing at the college level.

Wilkes- Lost 5 seniors including their 3rd, 4th, 5th and 7th leading scorers. That group included their 1st (schools all time leading 3 point scorer) and 3rd best 3pt shooters. They could be the team that lost the most of the group that made the playoffs.

Stevens- not familiar with them. They have full time assistants for each sport, good set up for student athletes and coaches there. Coming off 16-9 and a first round playoff exit in a, I believe, weaker conference. 10 guys played 11 mpg. Of their top 9 from last year they graduated 5 and 1 (their best player) is coming off a season ending injury where he played in two games. #'s 14, 41, 20 will have to carry them unless there are impact underclass/incoming freshman

Kings- Return everyone but number 9 in MPG. They finish 6th or 7th. They gave some teams a run last year but they don't have the scoring to compete in the top four.

Misericordia- Looking at their stats, they lost a lot of everything... points, minutes etc... Not sure how you replace all of that. They do have a talented front court, possibly and probably the second best (behind Easter) in Rivera and Harding- two All Conference caliber players. Losing a three year starter at PG, a two time POY, your best 3 point shooter and two year starter (McCreary), an athlete in Tyrell Mann and the big 6'8 man Juston. FDU beat them last year so I am putting them here. If they rebuild with transfers I may have to revisit, i think they are some time away from the top again.

FDU- A few surprise wins last year. Vs Mis Del Val to name a few. Of the 8 guys that played they return 4 of them including losing their top two scorers. Building year 2.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on August 15, 2019, 09:08:47 AM
Quote from: CCHoopster on August 14, 2019, 08:23:50 PM
Before seeing rosters. Anyone have thoughts on this league or rumors? I think Wilkes lost the most of the playoff teams but Misericordia lost the most overall (and still missed playoffs last year). I can't see Misericordia being a top 4 team.

DeSales could have a special season. Clearly the favorite to win it. They have added a suspended all conference player back, a D2 transfer and return all but 1 to a championship team. 20 plus wins. THey have a strong non conference schedule. If they see lots of success there I think they can really take care of the league (12-2/13-1)

Del Val- Wild Card team... Can probably finish 1-5. They finished 4th (game out of second), lost 4 seniors and Twitter says LJ Robinson left the program for Drew. They were up half dozen to a dozen at one point in the semi finals last year at DeSales. Rumor has it they have loaded up on transfers this year. They return 4 of their top 7 in Myers, Ciunciulli, second team all conference Damnian Washington and  the freshman Johnson. If they indeed have a strong and deep recruiting class ready to play, could be a really tough team- my surprise team of the year.

Eastern- New coach... could go a few different ways. They do have the best front court in the league and two first team all conference forwards in Bowlers and Pena (ACL was out for last year at Christmas and will be back). Add the 6'8 lefty off the bench and they are huge! Not sure about their guard play- Washington and Duncan were both all league guards, really top talent level players. The left handed freshman wing from last year will be a good player- too emotional but athletic and can defend and rebound. Not a shooter. The coach will have to adjust. It's a big jump going from sitting to standing at the college level.

Wilkes- Lost 5 seniors including their 3rd, 4th, 5th and 7th leading scorers. That group included their 1st (schools all time leading 3 point scorer) and 3rd best 3pt shooters. They could be the team that lost the most of the group that made the playoffs.

Stevens- not familiar with them. They have full time assistants for each sport, good set up for student athletes and coaches there. Coming off 16-9 and a first round playoff exit in a, I believe, weaker conference. 10 guys played 11 mpg. Of their top 9 from last year they graduated 5 and 1 (their best player) is coming off a season ending injury where he played in two games. #'s 14, 41, 20 will have to carry them unless there are impact underclass/incoming freshman

Kings- Return everyone but number 9 in MPG. They finish 6th or 7th. They gave some teams a run last year but they don't have the scoring to compete in the top four.

Misericordia- Looking at their stats, they lost a lot of everything... points, minutes etc... Not sure how you replace all of that. They do have a talented front court, possibly and probably the second best (behind Easter) in Rivera and Harding- two All Conference caliber players. Losing a three year starter at PG, a two time POY, your best 3 point shooter and two year starter (McCreary), an athlete in Tyrell Mann and the big 6'8 man Juston. FDU beat them last year so I am putting them here. If they rebuild with transfers I may have to revisit, i think they are some time away from the top again.

FDU- A few surprise wins last year. Vs Mis Del Val to name a few. Of the 8 guys that played they return 4 of them including losing their top two scorers. Building year 2.

DeSales should breeze to the title. If their "suspended all conference player" is in fact back, given what he was suspended for  (which I will NOT mention here), than this Catholic institution turned it's head and looked the other way yet again. With the D2 transfer, they keep intact their unprecedented streak of higher level transfers. I have to check to see (one of the assistants is a good buddy........rhymes with milk) how many years in a row it has been. With all that they have coming back, it would be a stunner if they don't win an NCAA game IF they get a semi-decent first round draw.

I don't think DelVal can finish #1 unless DeSales sits the year out. Washington is a huge loss. Started a bunch of games as a freshman. Has a very nice sophomore year. Maybe can can/will give us some inside scoop as to why he left. Other than Washington, their returners are small and average at best. I have heard from a source that they have a couple of transfers coming in BUT none are IMPACT transfers, the likes of which DeSales gets every single year......................and they are small. DelVal is smaller than the local high school teams (Suburban One........not talking Philly Catholic League here). With Pena coming back for what seems like a 7th year (he might be about 25) and Bowlers (who is close to 30 at this point) and Plett (6'8" lefty off the bench), they will crush most teams, especially DelVal on the boards. I see DelVal battling for the 4 seed and if they get in, their coach should be coach of the year. I know that it doesn't work that way though. Koval should not get it when they win as they are doing nothing other than what they will be the overwhelming favorite to do. Just my thoughts. COY should be the coach who takes his team the furthest above expectations. If DeSales stays healthy, they could run the MAC table (14-0) and finish in the 20-5 area overall.

Miser did rebuild with a few transfers, as Willie (head coach) was absolutely going to do. Wilkes has a few coming in as well. The Eastern connection in Florida is still very strong and they are the 32 team in the MAC in my opinion. Don't sleep on Stevens. FDU (run by two former Miser guys) had a great offseason. I actually like King's a smidge more than DelVal (primarily due to the huge loss of Robinson) sitting here at this point. I hear they have a huge impact transfer but is still rehabbing a knee.

Gordon, are you hearing a any MAC hoops stuff?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 13, 2019, 10:41:40 AM
Just checking in to make sure that everybody is alive. Football has no "off season"............................while hoops certainly does!! ;)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 17, 2019, 05:34:23 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 13, 2019, 10:41:40 AM
Just checking in to make sure that everybody is alive. Football has no "off season"............................while hoops certainly does!! ;)

.........................and he reiterates his point. What is it about football that captivates so many 365/24/7, while other sports don't engender quite that year long passion?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on October 23, 2019, 01:43:08 PM
JM! Season is a few weeks away. Some rosters going up already. Some haven't.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 25, 2019, 07:53:28 AM
Quote from: CCHoopster on October 23, 2019, 01:43:08 PM
JM! Season is a few weeks away. Some rosters going up already. Some haven't.

I gotcha CC..........................it's just that football seems to have no offseason while hoops goes into hibernation once the season ends until right before it begins.

That's fine with me as I'm a football junkie. Baseball might be "America's Pastime".......................but football is it's Passion!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on October 25, 2019, 09:50:38 AM
Del Val's roster is up.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on October 29, 2019, 04:47:21 PM
thoughts on rosters?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on November 04, 2019, 12:25:20 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on October 29, 2019, 04:47:21 PM
thoughts on rosters?

I'll take a stab.

DeSales- maturity and talent with experience. Can shoot and post. Enough athleticism to be feared in that area. They could be the second best team in the area behind Swartmore

Eastern- Very big, 2 centers and a power forward of 6'8, 6'6, 6'8 in the starting rotation. Not a ton of guard play per the write up

Steven- Roster not up.

Wilkes- Mullins and Peccorelli will have to carry the load. They lost a lot of scoring and talent. Wondering who will step up from their bench guys last year.

Misericordia- lots of new faces. I see them a lock for 6 or 7 not 5. Although an all conference year by the power forward Harding and the center Rivera and they could present some issues to a few teams- but like Eastern where are the guards.

Delaware Valley- Washington and Cianculli are as good as any guard forward combo. Looking at their roster, who are all these kids? I don't recognize more than 5. That place must be some task to recruit to. Not sure how they stay competitive each year.

FDU- No roster, losing Mitchell and Davy hurts. Not sure they are the type to reload with transfers

King's- Didn't see Noah Tanner on the roster. I think they finish dead last, staying there all year. They start off at Eastern in conference.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 04, 2019, 03:41:08 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on November 04, 2019, 12:25:20 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on October 29, 2019, 04:47:21 PM
thoughts on rosters?

I'll take a stab.

DeSales- maturity and talent with experience. Can shoot and post. Enough athleticism to be feared in that area. They could be the second best team in the area behind Swartmore

Eastern- Very big, 2 centers and a power forward of 6'8, 6'6, 6'8 in the starting rotation. Not a ton of guard play per the write up

Steven- Roster not up.

Wilkes- Mullins and Peccorelli will have to carry the load. They lost a lot of scoring and talent. Wondering who will step up from their bench guys last year.

Misericordia- lots of new faces. I see them a lock for 6 or 7 not 5. Although an all conference year by the power forward Harding and the center Rivera and they could present some issues to a few teams- but like Eastern where are the guards.

Delaware Valley- Washington and Cianculli are as good as any guard forward combo. Looking at their roster, who are all these kids? I don't recognize more than 5. That place must be some task to recruit to. Not sure how they stay competitive each year.

FDU- No roster, losing Mitchell and Davy hurts. Not sure they are the type to reload with transfers

King's- Didn't see Noah Tanner on the roster. I think they finish dead last, staying there all year. They start off at Eastern in conference.

I could say the same thing about other MAC teams as well.......................just not in the sheer numbers of this one year for DelVal. I don't know about the "that place must be some task to recruit to" though as they have had a nice run over the last decade, their football team runs roughshod through the MAC year in and year out, as well as being a Top 15 nationally ranked program and the wrestling team has been a national player since the early 1970's. Eastern has three impact transfers (Bowlers, Rivera.........from Ithaca, and one of the guards) and had a stud senior guard last year who transferred to play just one year. DeSales is good for a higher level (D2) transfer or two every year...................but didn't go down that road this year with the sheer amount of returnees. Miser went down the transfer route this year with the number of players they lost. I don't know how successful they were but FDU (led by two ex-Miser players) had big transfer dreams this season, but I don't know how it played out. I'd never single any program out for a large one year blip. The MAC is not the NESCAC. I see zero problem giving chances to kids who come from nothing, spend a year or two at a JUCO or CC and play two years elsewhere. It's their only way to be able to afford college. The "snooty and snobby" institutions don't have to go down that path.  You will see more of that (transfers) as expenses continue to climb and the number of college age kids declines for years to come.

DeSales should run the table in the MAC this year given what they are bringing back (and the third chance being given to a player who might not deserved a second for his "transgression") and I would be stunned if they didn't win an NCAA game or maybe even two. That would be a let down for the old Allentown College. I think it's a crapshoot with most of the other programs outside of Eastern.

Oh....................Davy was a transfer into FDU ;)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on November 05, 2019, 03:55:16 PM
I am not against transfers... no reason to be and transfers can be amazing assets to any program. Del Val has to be hard to recruit to- facilities, lack of majors and rising costs. They are probably last in the MAC in all three, or bottom 2 now that Manhattanville departed. I imagine recruiting four year players is a major challenge there, my opinion. No sports are team wise successful in recent years with the exception of basketball and football. Wrestling has been with individuals. Again last 5 years talking.

I agree on DeSales. They are the class of D3 Hoops in the area after Swarthmore.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ronk on November 05, 2019, 04:42:04 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on November 05, 2019, 03:55:16 PM
I am not against transfers... no reason to be and transfers can be amazing assets to any program. Del Val has to be hard to recruit to- facilities, lack of majors and rising costs. They are probably last in the MAC in all three, or bottom 2 now that Manhattanville departed. I imagine recruiting four year players is a major challenge there, my opinion. No sports are team wise successful in recent years with the exception of basketball and football. Wrestling has been with individuals. Again last 5 years talking.

I agree on DeSales. They are the class of D3 Hoops in the area after Swarthmore.

We may find out 12/16 when they play @ Scranton.

Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on November 05, 2019, 07:46:18 PM
I'm referencing Philadelphia area, wasn't thinking NEPA.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 06, 2019, 02:07:08 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on November 05, 2019, 03:55:16 PM
I am not against transfers... no reason to be and transfers can be amazing assets to any program. Del Val has to be hard to recruit to- facilities, lack of majors and rising costs. They are probably last in the MAC in all three, or bottom 2 now that Manhattanville departed. I imagine recruiting four year players is a major challenge there, my opinion. No sports are team wise successful in recent years with the exception of basketball and football. Wrestling has been with individuals. Again last 5 years talking.

I agree on DeSales. They are the class of D3 Hoops in the area after Swarthmore.

When I look around the MAC Freedom.......................nobody plays in the D3 version of the Palestra. Eastern's gym should be condemned. Manhattanville was even worse. DeSales gym is clean, but looks more like a suburban middle school gym in terms of size. Miser's is odd, old and odd. FDU's is quite frankly dark and a dump. Wilkes and King's are fine (little good that has done King's though). I can't speak to the majors as I know that DelVal's pre-professional programs (med, vet, dental) are exceptionally popular and highly thought of. Their accounting program (2017 data) had the 6th highest "first time CPA Exam pass rate" out of 77 schools in the state of PA.........in front of Pitt, Villanova, Bucknell and any CC school. They do crank out a lot of teachers, principals and superintendents, as well as chemists and biologists, and future psychologists. Boring stuff, most won't become hedge fund managers or work in Silicon Valley.....................but I'd argue MUCH more important and meaningful jobs in a lot of respects.

When I look around at schools with more majors, I see a long list of majors that would never interest me........including many of the soft sciences. Philosophy? Hell no. English? What, no. Foreign Language? say huh. And on and on and on.

Again, no school in the MAC (either conference) is the NESCAC. Debits are debits. Credits are credits. The periodic table is the periodic table. Some kids didn't have the luxury of having parents named Tad and Buffy, with a place in Avalon and private schools through high school. Give me the kid with dog in him, that's who I want in the foxhole....................not the kid who had everything handed to him in life (I say that as a Swat alum by the way, so I know).

On a more important note, I agree with Ronk that Scranton might be a tad better than DeSales. It should be an interesting year.

No more "who's school offers more" talk from me. I'm looking forward to a great season on the court........................and to watch the DelVal football team run it's MAC winning streak up to 30, with a third consecutive undefeated, championship season in MAC play ;)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 06, 2019, 02:32:16 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on November 05, 2019, 07:46:18 PM
I'm referencing Philadelphia area, wasn't thinking NEPA.

I'd take DeSales this year in the Greater Philadelphia area as well.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on November 12, 2019, 03:28:21 PM
Nothing special over the weekend for the Freedom. A few teams beat PSU Branch campuses and Eastern was beaten 100-
70 something by Swarthmore.

Tonight I'll make some picks:

DeSales over Muhlenburg 82-73
TCNJ 79 over Mis 66
Jersey City 74 over Stevens 65
Wilkes 104 over PSU Hazelton 60
Cabrini 83 over Eastern 78
Kings 72 over PSU Scranton 68
St. Elizabeth 68 over FDU Florham 66


Del Val does not play as they play again Friday @ Muhlenburg
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on November 12, 2019, 03:46:38 PM
While i'm on here checking schedules, cchoopster, just want to say that to us, the only thing lacking in the Aggie gym complex is a lack of food!   Just said last Saturday at out first game of the season, how GREAT it was to be back in the confines of James Work Memorial Gymnasium!!!   Guaranteed built better than many other gyms in the MAC!   Also, right in the middle of campus - no need to drive to the gym!!!    Thanks for the comments on majors jm!    All true!!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 12, 2019, 04:14:02 PM
Quote from: kate on November 12, 2019, 03:46:38 PM
While i'm on here checking schedules, cchoopster, just want to say that to us, the only thing lacking in the Aggie gym complex is a lack of food!   Just said last Saturday at out first game of the season, how GREAT it was to be back in the confines of James Work Memorial Gymnasium!!!   Guaranteed built better than many other gyms in the MAC!   Also, right in the middle of campus - no need to drive to the gym!!!    Thanks for the comments on majors jm!    All true!!!

Kate - No problem. Sometimes you have to educate those not in the know. I've fired Penn, Columbia, Bucknell, Lehigh and Boston University grads..................and have had great success with grads from East Stroudsburg, Holy Family, West Chester, Millersville, etc. Give the non-elitist with some 'dog' in him or her..........the kid who comes from very little and breaks his back to "make it". I'll go to war with them every day. The 'name' on the piece of paper might open up a few more doors, but it doesn't keep you there. Work ethic is harder to teach than smarts. Most of what many of us do for a living isn't rocket science anyway..................so get the piece of paper and work hard and thrive. The satisfaction is greater when the odds are stacked against you vs. having the odds in your favor based on a variety of factors that you luckily fell into at conception!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on December 04, 2019, 05:53:13 PM
A little guessing at tonight- I am traditionally horrible at this!  ;)

Drew over Kings 81-70
Eastern over PSU Brandywine 70-61
Neumann over Mis 84-73
Del Val over Immaculata 75-63
Wilkes over Marywood 78-68
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 04, 2019, 09:40:18 PM
What is going on at Kings?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: CCHoopster on December 06, 2019, 09:56:31 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 04, 2019, 09:40:18 PM
What is going on at Kings?

??
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 07, 2019, 06:38:19 PM
Caught a little bit of the DelVal game at York (after watching DelVal in the football NCAA quarterfinals) and heard that two of York's better players are transfers, from Merrimack (didn't know that was even a school). York is now going down the transfer path??? They fashion themselves as a school that wouldn't go down that path. What did I tell you. Watch and see more and more of this as the seasons go by, for many reasons.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 07, 2019, 08:05:37 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on December 06, 2019, 09:56:31 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 04, 2019, 09:40:18 PM
What is going on at Kings?

??

They barely got past clarks summit and their record hasn't been too impressive lately.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ronk on December 07, 2019, 10:42:22 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on December 07, 2019, 06:38:19 PM
Caught a little bit of the DelVal game at York (after watching DelVal in the football NCAA quarterfinals) and heard that two of York's better players are transfers, from Merrimack (didn't know that was even a school). York is now going down the transfer path??? They fashion themselves as a school that wouldn't go down that path. What did I tell you. Watch and see more and more of this as the seasons go by, for many reasons.

Merrimack is D2, so it's entirely possible that the transfers had overestimated their ability to play at that level, a not uncommon occurrence these days.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 07, 2019, 10:45:59 PM
Quote from: ronk on December 07, 2019, 10:42:22 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on December 07, 2019, 06:38:19 PM
Caught a little bit of the DelVal game at York (after watching DelVal in the football NCAA quarterfinals) and heard that two of York's better players are transfers, from Merrimack (didn't know that was even a school). York is now going down the transfer path??? They fashion themselves as a school that wouldn't go down that path. What did I tell you. Watch and see more and more of this as the seasons go by, for many reasons.

Merrimack is D2, so it's entirely possible that the transfers had overestimated their ability to play at that level, a not uncommon occurrence these days.

I thought Merrimack went to d1 this year.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ronk on December 08, 2019, 09:52:58 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 07, 2019, 10:45:59 PM
Quote from: ronk on December 07, 2019, 10:42:22 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on December 07, 2019, 06:38:19 PM
Caught a little bit of the DelVal game at York (after watching DelVal in the football NCAA quarterfinals) and heard that two of York's better players are transfers, from Merrimack (didn't know that was even a school). York is now going down the transfer path??? They fashion themselves as a school that wouldn't go down that path. What did I tell you. Watch and see more and more of this as the seasons go by, for many reasons.

Merrimack is D2, so it's entirely possible that the transfers had overestimated their ability to play at that level, a not uncommon occurrence these days.

I thought Merrimack went to d1 this year.

They may have; my point was that it was a level "higher" than D3(York).
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 09, 2019, 10:18:04 PM
Who cares if they got transfers? As you indicated (I think), it happens at a lot of schools especially in this era where the costs of schools is a big deal to many (DII scholarships aren't much to talk about).

What I don't understand is why you say "they fashion themselves as a school that wouldn't go down that path"?

I do know that while I know many coaches who don't look for transfers or recruit with that in mind, they aren't turning players down who contact them. I also find there is nothing obvious about the reasons for transfers. I always find different reasons. Sydney Moss going to Thomas More had very little to do with Thomas More.

York being upfront about their tuition costs is probably a huge selling point for transfers, too. :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 10, 2019, 01:12:23 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 09, 2019, 10:18:04 PM
Who cares if they got transfers? As you indicated (I think), it happens at a lot of schools especially in this era where the costs of schools is a big deal to many (DII scholarships aren't much to talk about).

What I don't understand is why you say "they fashion themselves as a school that wouldn't go down that path"?

I do know that while I know many coaches who don't look for transfers or recruit with that in mind, they aren't turning players down who contact them. I also find there is nothing obvious about the reasons for transfers. I always find different reasons. Sydney Moss going to Thomas More had very little to do with Thomas More.

York being upfront about their tuition costs is probably a huge selling point for transfers, too. :)

I have zero issues with transfers..................and believe that you will see more and more of it (especially from CC's and JUCO's in the years to come). My comment is to a few on the board who do have issues with transfers. DelVal brought a boatload in as the result of the number of seniors they lost, in addition to two underclassmen. Many conferences have upped their transfer game, including the newest MAC team come next year, York. I'm not sure the NESCAC will ever have have any reason to partake, but between my comment(s) and yours, I hope that those who have issues with transfers will now cool their jets. :)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 10, 2019, 03:00:01 PM
We have seen transfering in the NESCAC, I am just not sure it makes as much news. Sometimes the legacy of a school plays a role. But a great example I just ran into with soccer, sometimes a player feels they want to be on a particular team but the coaching staff makes it known that they don't think they will fit in or have a role. So the player goes to another school for varying reasons (probably also to prove a point) while also eyeing the program they want to be with. When they see an opportunity or the coaching staff finally realizes what that player has in potential and skill, a transfer takes place.

Messiah's women's defense is far better to have Foster in place in the center but it took a year or so at Lancaster Bible, and admission by the coaching staff they were wrong, for the Messiah aspect to happen.

Sometime I think transfers want to be elsewhere and it happens for them. That's how I can see transferring working at schools like the NESCAC.

The Merrimack to York does not fit that mold as scholarships was likely the biggest reason the student ended up at Merrimack. The fact Merrimack has gone to D1 where full-scholarships are guaranteed in basketball (and football; other sports they can be split up as needed) probably meant the student was suddenly without a scholarship of any kind (partial likely, how much unknown) and transferring to a place they could play became a real-life need.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 10, 2019, 08:22:41 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 10, 2019, 03:00:01 PM
We have seen transfering in the NESCAC, I am just not sure it makes as much news. Sometimes the legacy of a school plays a role. But a great example I just ran into with soccer, sometimes a player feels they want to be on a particular team but the coaching staff makes it known that they don't think they will fit in or have a role. So the player goes to another school for varying reasons (probably also to prove a point) while also eyeing the program they want to be with. When they see an opportunity or the coaching staff finally realizes what that player has in potential and skill, a transfer takes place.

Messiah's women's defense is far better to have Foster in place in the center but it took a year or so at Lancaster Bible, and admission by the coaching staff they were wrong, for the Messiah aspect to happen.

Sometime I think transfers want to be elsewhere and it happens for them. That's how I can see transferring working at schools like the NESCAC.

The Merrimack to York does not fit that mold as scholarships was likely the biggest reason the student ended up at Merrimack. The fact Merrimack has gone to D1 where full-scholarships are guaranteed in basketball (and football; other sports they can be split up as needed) probably meant the student was suddenly without a scholarship of any kind (partial likely, how much unknown) and transferring to a place they could play became a real-life need.

Excellent points as always Dave!!
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 11, 2019, 07:36:53 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on December 10, 2019, 08:22:41 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 10, 2019, 03:00:01 PM
We have seen transfering in the NESCAC, I am just not sure it makes as much news. Sometimes the legacy of a school plays a role. But a great example I just ran into with soccer, sometimes a player feels they want to be on a particular team but the coaching staff makes it known that they don't think they will fit in or have a role. So the player goes to another school for varying reasons (probably also to prove a point) while also eyeing the program they want to be with. When they see an opportunity or the coaching staff finally realizes what that player has in potential and skill, a transfer takes place.

Messiah's women's defense is far better to have Foster in place in the center but it took a year or so at Lancaster Bible, and admission by the coaching staff they were wrong, for the Messiah aspect to happen.

Sometime I think transfers want to be elsewhere and it happens for them. That's how I can see transferring working at schools like the NESCAC.

The Merrimack to York does not fit that mold as scholarships was likely the biggest reason the student ended up at Merrimack. The fact Merrimack has gone to D1 where full-scholarships are guaranteed in basketball (and football; other sports they can be split up as needed) probably meant the student was suddenly without a scholarship of any kind (partial likely, how much unknown) and transferring to a place they could play became a real-life need.

Excellent points as always Dave!!

You also have to remember with the more competitive academic institutions, there are A LOT fewer slots for transfers than for freshmen, so if you're an athlete (with whatever admissions encouragement by coaches is allowed, which is none at most of the NESCAC schools), you're much less likely to get in as a transfer.  Those schools already have issues getting all their recruits admitted as freshman.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 05, 2020, 06:57:34 PM
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Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on January 16, 2020, 09:35:43 AM
The Del Val games with Misericordia postponed from last night will now be played tonight up in Dallas (at Miseri) - game times 5 and 7.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on February 16, 2020, 11:32:19 AM
With CCHoopster and Kate on sabbatical (actually Kate is waiting for DVU Spring Football), this board has just about dried up. The DVU coaches need to have a recruiting class like they've never had before. Injuries doomed the women from the start (or before the start) and the men's team (I've heard, as I haven't seen them in person) lacks three critical components that have been a staple of the program since Coach Casey first turned the program around over a decade ago................outside shooters, quick ball handlers and overall athletes. And without the athletes, pressure defense is tough. I wish them luck in finding what they both need for 2020-2021.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2020, 01:16:38 PM
Week 2's Regional Rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2020, 02:40:37 PM
The Week 3 men's regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-third
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on March 10, 2020, 11:26:17 PM
Just got word that former long time FDU coach Roger Kindel has passed away. My prayers go out to his family.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on July 24, 2020, 10:03:48 AM
The MAC shuts down for the fall semester. Scheduling for the winter sports not to start before 2021...............should be quite the clusterfudge. I hope that they extend the hoops season out by 4-6 weeks.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 24, 2020, 10:53:09 AM
The d3 management council has already changed the way seasons are counted. It appears winter sports can begin oct 4 with no set end date, but they can only use the same number of days as a typical season (something around 120). Allows for lots of flexibility and could encompass an alternative schedule if basketball chooses to do that.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on July 24, 2020, 03:42:04 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 24, 2020, 10:53:09 AM
The d3 management council has already changed the way seasons are counted. It appears winter sports can begin oct 4 with no set end date, but they can only use the same number of days as a typical season (something around 120). Allows for lots of flexibility and could encompass an alternative schedule if basketball chooses to do that.

Ryan, did you mean Jan 4 given that many schools are shutting it down until 2021?
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 24, 2020, 10:29:01 PM
I believe it's Oct 1st actually. Schools that are willing can do practices, I guess.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on July 25, 2020, 09:32:14 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 24, 2020, 10:29:01 PM
I believe it's Oct 1st actually. Schools that are willing can do practices, I guess.

Yikes!! So in a little more than two months, a school could put 18 men and 18 women, plus coaches, on to a 90 foot long basketball court................and a team like Messiah could place 40 wrestlers in a small wrestling room, grappling, touching and breathing all over each other?

I just don't see it...........not with the numbers getting worse in PA.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 25, 2020, 10:07:59 AM
I imagine local guidelines will preclude most teams from practicing. I imagine, though, a place like Colby, in a low sighted state, with commitments to test everyone on campus twice a week, they might like to do one or two practices a week to prepare for a possible season. I talked to one coach who plans to divide his team into small groups so they can do more specific work with positional groups and individuals. After all there's no cap on the time coaches can put in, just athletes.

You've also got schools that will be closed entirely from Thanksgiving to February. They won't be penalized the 60 odd practices they'd miss.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on July 25, 2020, 01:47:29 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 25, 2020, 10:07:59 AM
I imagine local guidelines will preclude most teams from practicing. I imagine, though, a place like Colby, in a low sighted state, with commitments to test everyone on campus twice a week, they might like to do one or two practices a week to prepare for a possible season. I talked to one coach who plans to divide his team into small groups so they can do more specific work with positional groups and individuals. After all there's no cap on the time coaches can put in, just athletes.

You've also got schools that will be closed entirely from Thanksgiving to February. They won't be penalized the 60 odd practices they'd miss.

That makes sense Ryan!! I also feel terrible for the seniors in high school who have had their fall seasons cancelled. Those players who were on the radar of college coaches as juniors should be fine, relatively speaking. But the kid who grew this summer and might have received some nice D-III or even D-II (PSAC) attention is screwed. The good students within that group will move on to college. the kid that really wanted to play might walk on or go the JUCO route (not talking NESCAC kids here of course.......that board would mock me for suggesting that ;) ).
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: ronk on July 25, 2020, 02:04:25 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on July 25, 2020, 01:47:29 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 25, 2020, 10:07:59 AM
I imagine local guidelines will preclude most teams from practicing. I imagine, though, a place like Colby, in a low sighted state, with commitments to test everyone on campus twice a week, they might like to do one or two practices a week to prepare for a possible season. I talked to one coach who plans to divide his team into small groups so they can do more specific work with positional groups and individuals. After all there's no cap on the time coaches can put in, just athletes.

You've also got schools that will be closed entirely from Thanksgiving to February. They won't be penalized the 60 odd practices they'd miss.

That makes sense Ryan!! I also feel terrible for the seniors in high school who have had their fall seasons cancelled. Those players who were on the radar of college coaches as juniors should be fine, relatively speaking. But the kid who grew this summer and might have received some nice D-III or even D-II (PSAC) attention is screwed. The good students within that group will move on to college. the kid that really wanted to play might walk on or go the JUCO route (not talking NESCAC kids here of course.......that board would mock me for suggesting that ;) ).

Some of those NESCAC kids actually take a 5th year(post-grad) before arriving on campus.   ::)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on July 25, 2020, 04:54:38 PM
Quote from: ronk on July 25, 2020, 02:04:25 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on July 25, 2020, 01:47:29 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 25, 2020, 10:07:59 AM
I imagine local guidelines will preclude most teams from practicing. I imagine, though, a place like Colby, in a low sighted state, with commitments to test everyone on campus twice a week, they might like to do one or two practices a week to prepare for a possible season. I talked to one coach who plans to divide his team into small groups so they can do more specific work with positional groups and individuals. After all there's no cap on the time coaches can put in, just athletes.

You've also got schools that will be closed entirely from Thanksgiving to February. They won't be penalized the 60 odd practices they'd miss.

That makes sense Ryan!! I also feel terrible for the seniors in high school who have had their fall seasons cancelled. Those players who were on the radar of college coaches as juniors should be fine, relatively speaking. But the kid who grew this summer and might have received some nice D-III or even D-II (PSAC) attention is screwed. The good students within that group will move on to college. the kid that really wanted to play might walk on or go the JUCO route (not talking NESCAC kids here of course.......that board would mock me for suggesting that ;) ).

Some of those NESCAC kids actually take a 5th year(post-grad) before arriving on campus.   ::)

Some..........no doubt ;)
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Gabriel on July 25, 2020, 04:56:04 PM
Not just NESCAC.
Title: Re: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 10, 2020, 05:05:04 PM
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The off season has hit August and with it has come news of Division III Fall Championships being canceled for the same reason Winter Championships were derailed and Spring Championships pulled earlier this year: COVID 19 Pandemic.

The decision came on the heals of a vast majority of DIII institutions curtailing fall sports and many pushing winter sports starts on their campuses until January at the earliest.

What does this mean for the 2020-21 season of college basketball? Specifically what does it mean for Division III? Will there be a basketball season? Will it be a six-week-or-so-sprint? Or is there a way to adjust things?

On the Mid-Summer edition of the Hoopsville Podcast, we try and get some answers to those questions. We talk to one coach who actually has put together a proposal to start the season in January, with some changes to make it work including crowning a champion in April. And we talk to an administrator who also serves on the DIII Management Council to better under stand the decisions made to cancel championships and if shift a season like basketball is even possible.

Plus, we honor the best of the best in the last decade of Division III women's basketball. Gordon Mann joins us to discuss how the 2nd D3hoops.com Women's All-Decade came together (and hints of work on the men's list).

Guests include:
- Philip Ponder, Oglethorpe men's coach
- Jason Fein, Bates Athletics Director and DIII Management Council member
- Gordon Mann, D3hoops.com Senior Editor

And of course, there is always the Hoopsville Notebook. A few things we take note of that have made headlines since the beginning of July. We also tip our hat to a few of those who have always helped the show be it's best.

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Title: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Stretch4 on December 03, 2021, 10:11:37 AM
Throwing out a DeSales question for anyone who may have some insight.  What is the story with Timmy Edwards this 21-22 season?  I am assuming he is injured or sidelined for some reason as he has yet to appear in a game this season.  DeSales is the pick to win the MAC Freedom, is playing great and has earned a top 25 ranking, but at some point I suspect they will need Edwards if they want to accomplish all of their goals this season.  Appreciate any insight anyone may have.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on December 05, 2021, 09:12:15 AM
Don't know anything about Timothy Edwards of DeSales, but the Aggie Men look very interesting this young season.   Don't want to jinx them, and sure home my Hubby and i can get to see them play at some point soon!    Yes, and Go Del Val!!!
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 06, 2021, 05:34:42 PM
Quote from: kate on December 05, 2021, 09:12:15 AM
Don't know anything about Timothy Edwards of DeSales, but the Aggie Men look very interesting this young season.   Don't want to jinx them, and sure home my Hubby and i can get to see them play at some point soon!    Yes, and Go Del Val!!!

They are doing this without their best two players, Washington and Tucker!!
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Stretch4 on December 07, 2021, 01:32:11 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on December 06, 2021, 05:34:42 PM
Quote from: kate on December 05, 2021, 09:12:15 AM
Don't know anything about Timothy Edwards of DeSales, but the Aggie Men look very interesting this young season.   Don't want to jinx them, and sure home my Hubby and i can get to see them play at some point soon!    Yes, and Go Del Val!!!

They are doing this without their best two players, Washington and Tucker!!

Just a thought ... two of Del Val's three losses are with "best" players Washington and Tucker in the line up.  So maybe, just maybe, they found a little more cohesiveness with them out of the line up.  Easy to make the argument that Ghee, Marc and Paulus are their best players in my opinion.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 09, 2021, 06:04:58 PM
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St. John Fisher hasn't been ranked since "Desperate Housewives," "Boston Legal," "The Shield," and "Fear Factor" where some of the most popular shows on television. The top movie was "Coach Carter." However, Coach Melissa Kuberka has gotten her Cardinals squad back into the rankings after a terrific start to the 2021-22 season. We talk to her about the team's success and how the rest of the season could shape up.

For DeSales, there were signs they were going to be good during the COVID season. Not all teams are able to duplicate that short-season success, but the Bulldogs are off to an undefeated start. Coach Scott Coval discusses just how good the team is and why we haven't seen the unit at it's very best. Plus, one can still break a backboard in today's game? DeSales found out it is possible.

Plus, Yeshiva is getting plenty of attention now that they have been ranked #1 in the D3hoops.com Top 25 poll the last few weeks. But do you really know the Macabees and their program? We talk to Gary Belsky who wrote an expose on the program for ESPN. It's a must read and a must listen to segment.

And UW-Eau Claire Athletics have big plans for future Blugolds and DIII championships. Introducing the $70 million Sonnetag Center. AD Dan Schumacher discusses the significant way UWEC could shift championships and even regional recruiting by 2024.

You can watch the show LIVE (or on demand) here: https://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/dec9

Guests List:
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- #25 DeSales men's coach Scott Coval
- ESPN Writer Gary Belsky
- UW-Eau Claire Director of Athletics Dan Schumacher

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Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Stretch4 on January 06, 2022, 04:18:31 PM
Disappointed to see that the MAC conference is having teams cancel and forfeit games in which they cannot field a team due to covid protocols.  No postponement - cancel and forfeit.  With the close proximity of the teams in the conference it seems like the opportunity to make up these games should at least be on the table.  Not sure how this whole thing is going to play out, but if they do get to a point where they have conference playoffs you are looking at a possible scenario where teams are qualifying or missing out based solely on covid forfeits.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 06, 2022, 04:30:12 PM
Quote from: Stretch4 on January 06, 2022, 04:18:31 PM
Disappointed to see that the MAC conference is having teams cancel and forfeit games in which they cannot field a team due to covid protocols.  No postponement - cancel and forfeit.  With the close proximity of the teams in the conference it seems like the opportunity to make up these games should at least be on the table.  Not sure how this whole thing is going to play out, but if they do get to a point where they have conference playoffs you are looking at a possible scenario where teams are qualifying or missing out based solely on covid forfeits.

This may get changed.  Almost every conference had a cancel/forfeit policy in place in December; a lot of them are changing those policies this week.  I don't have any specific information about the MAC, but in many other areas, the cancel/forfeit was supposed to be a hard line encouraging teams to take every precaution COVID-wise, because teams were unlikely to need the forfeits if they were doing so.  With the new realities of Omicron, every precaution is not likely enough to make much difference and many conferences are looking for ways to be more lenient and get in as many games as possible.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Stretch4 on January 07, 2022, 10:15:50 AM
Thanks for the info.  I just found it so odd that potential games like Arcadia vs Del Val, Stevens - FDU with the teams 20-30 minutes away from each other would have to be a hard line cancel/forfeit.  Not too mention Kings - Wilkes who are literally 5 minutes away from each other.  I see other predominantly PA conferences like Landmark, Centennial, Atlantic East working towards re-scheduling options.  So hoping MAC Freedom does the same. 
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on January 17, 2022, 04:04:36 PM
Stretch - you probably saw this by now, but:
Release Courtesy of the Middle Atlantic Conference

ANNVILLE, Pa. (January 17) – The Middle Atlantic Conference (MAC) continues to monitor the COVID-19 landscape and the impact on member institutions and athletics programs. As a result of the surge in cases, the MAC has approved changes in basketball and across all sports.

The MAC has approved a one-time expansion of the 2022 men's and women's basketball championship fields to include all nine eligible teams in both the MAC Commonwealth and MAC Freedom.

The MAC administrators also voted to allow winter sport conference contests that cannot be played due to COVID-19 to be rescheduled effective immediately. Any contest scheduled on or after January 13 that cannot take place on the originally scheduled date due to one or both teams on a COVID-19 pause may be rescheduled under specific parameters.

If the game cannot be rescheduled, it will be a forfeit loss for the team originally causing the postponement.

This policy only pertains to winter sports. Spring sports will retain the forfeit policy established in the fall with the expectation of normal conference tournament qualifications.

The conference will continue to monitor the pandemic as the academic year moves into the spring sport season.

Brackets for both tournaments will be as follows:

8/9 Play-In (Feb. 21): #9 Seed at #8 Seed
Quarterfinal 1 (Feb. 23): #8/9 Winner at #1 Seed
Quarterfinal 2 (Feb. 23): #5 Seed at #4 Seed
Quarterfinal 3 (Feb. 23): #6 Seed at #3 Seed
Quarterfinal 4 (Feb. 23): #7 Seed at #2 Seed
Semifinal 1 (Feb. 25): QF1 Winner vs. QF2 Winner
Semifinal 2 (Feb. 25): #QF3 Winner vs. QF4 Winner
Final (Feb. 27): SF1 Winner vs. SF2 Winner
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Stretch4 on January 17, 2022, 05:28:12 PM
Thank you for sharing Bill.  I did see that announcement.  A little odd they didn't allow previously forfeited games to be re-scheduled (as I believe there were only 4 or 5 before 1/13).  So DelVal pick ups two freebie covid wins while Kings picks up two covid losses. We will see how the rest of the season shakes out. I can tell you that Stevens and Wilkes played a game this past weekend with 9 and 8 players available respectively, with both missing starters.  So teams are willing to play short handed to ensure the games are played.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on January 19, 2022, 07:11:18 PM
Quote from: Stretch4 on January 17, 2022, 05:28:12 PM
Thank you for sharing Bill.  I did see that announcement.  A little odd they didn't allow previously forfeited games to be re-scheduled (as I believe there were only 4 or 5 before 1/13).  So DelVal pick ups two freebie covid wins while Kings picks up two covid losses. We will see how the rest of the season shakes out. I can tell you that Stevens and Wilkes played a game this past weekend with 9 and 8 players available respectively, with both missing starters.  So teams are willing to play short handed to ensure the games are played.

I don't even look into things such as "freebie wins" given that (1) it is completely outside of a teams control and (2) all teams are in the conference tournament...............so who ever got a loss or two or a win or two............it matters very little in the scheme of things.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on January 22, 2022, 05:30:04 PM
Great win this afternoon Aggies!   Not to brag or anything, but since covid, we've stayed home and watched on here, and i have to say that Del Val is VERY lucky to have Gordon Mann call both the women's and men's games!!!
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Stretch4 on January 23, 2022, 11:53:59 AM
Things are tight in the MAC Freedom conference.  DeSales of course sitting on top of the conference, but really had to dig deep to pull out a couple of close games in two of their last three.  Easily could have gone the other way in both games, but their experience and ability to execute in crunch time allowed them to take the w in each game. They are a tough team.  They don't wow you coming off the bus, but they play extremely well together and really have a lot of depth.  The 2 through 6 teams are all very capable of picking each other off, so it will be interesting to see how conference playoff seeding shakes out.  Great game yesterday with Stevens knocking off Lycoming on the road.  Congrats to Stevens Alec DiPietrantonio who went over the 1,000 point milestone on Wednesday night and continued his outstanding season with another great game against Lycoming yesterday.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on January 23, 2022, 04:49:02 PM
Quote from: kate on January 22, 2022, 05:30:04 PM
Great win this afternoon Aggies!   Not to brag or anything, but since covid, we've stayed home and watched on here, and i have to say that Del Val is VERY lucky to have Gordon Mann call both the women's and men's games!!!

I would have loved to of seen this DelVal team with Damian Washington (6'6") and Jordan Tucker (6'4" and a bull).........(arguably their best........and 2 of their 3 or 4 biggest........two players) who played the first two games and decided to move on with their lives. 6'5" Dwayne Caine Jr. would have helped a bunch as well.  I know that the coach was a later hire and had to scrum to bring in a few players. Let's see what he can do with a full recruiting cycle. Good win over a much larger Misericordia squad who crushed them on the boards as DelVal is high schools small without the three players mentioned above. My alma mater, Swarthmore, is looking very good yet again!

On a brighter note, my adopted (as Swarthmore dropped football years ago) Aggie football team starts their off season weight lifting/mauling/crushing training...............on track to what could be a 5th consecutive undefeated MAC Championship. Hit those weights boys, in a way that no other MAC team comes close to!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 25, 2022, 07:29:06 PM
Yikes.

https://gowilkesu.com/sports/mens-basketball/stats/2021-2022/penn-state-wilkes-barre/boxscore/6259


Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on January 26, 2022, 07:58:47 PM
Like many area hospitals, Penn State would open a branch campus in a vacant strip mall if they could.   The MAC has to stiffen up and get those wins!
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on January 26, 2022, 10:55:59 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 25, 2022, 07:29:06 PM
Yikes.

https://gowilkesu.com/sports/mens-basketball/stats/2021-2022/penn-state-wilkes-barre/boxscore/6259

How's this for a bounce-back?
https://gowilkesu.com/news/2022/1/26/mens-basketball-wilkes-mens-basketball-hangs-on-to-hand-desales-first-conference-loss.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on January 27, 2022, 10:37:17 AM
Wilkes beating DeSales - fantastic and that's what it's all about beating up on each other in this league - makes everybody tougher!
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 27, 2022, 10:37:47 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on January 26, 2022, 10:55:59 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 25, 2022, 07:29:06 PM
Yikes.

https://gowilkesu.com/sports/mens-basketball/stats/2021-2022/penn-state-wilkes-barre/boxscore/6259

How's this for a bounce-back?
https://gowilkesu.com/news/2022/1/26/mens-basketball-wilkes-mens-basketball-hangs-on-to-hand-desales-first-conference-loss.aspx

Wow, you are welcome. Reverse jinx never fails!
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on January 28, 2022, 12:10:05 PM
Quote from: kate on January 26, 2022, 07:58:47 PM
Like many area hospitals, Penn State would open a branch campus in a vacant strip mall if they could.   The MAC has to stiffen up and get those wins!

Kate, that might just get comment of the year!!! Much less expensive than their private school counterparts AND getting the Penn State name on the degree, regardless of branch campus. More of them should be cleaning up like Penn State Harrisburg (which is just a smidge..........or ten million smidges easier to get into than the Happy Valley campus:)
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 01, 2022, 09:02:07 AM
Penn State lost me completely with the Sandosky  (sp.?) scandal and i know it wasn't the fault of the students!!!   Sports wise, i feel that an athlete gains so much from four years with one TEAM!   Yes, i do know that for many, tuition costs are the issue, but it would be hard to hopscotch around - one or two years at the branch campus and then to the main where your chances of playing could be slim to none.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on February 06, 2022, 01:41:41 PM
Quote from: kate on February 01, 2022, 09:02:07 AM
Penn State lost me completely with the Sandosky  (sp.?) scandal and i know it wasn't the fault of the students!!!   Sports wise, i feel that an athlete gains so much from four years with one TEAM!   Yes, i do know that for many, tuition costs are the issue, but it would be hard to hopscotch around - one or two years at the branch campus and then to the main where your chances of playing could be slim to none.

99.5% of the student athletes at the branch campuses stay all four years at the branch location. Many have dorms and most that don't are aggressively building them. I try to keep things separated. The Sandusky thing was vile and disgusting, but it does not represent the Penn State brand just as the actions of 0.04% of Catholic Priests don't represent the Catholic religion. I never let the actions of the few cloud my judgement of the many.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 08, 2022, 07:53:17 AM
Sadly, in the Penn State case, it was the actions of the 'few' at the top.    Still say, the growth of the branch campuses of Penn State is unbelievable.   I for one, am super glad that Del Val didn't become Penn State Bucks.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 10, 2022, 08:06:21 AM
As crushing as both losses were for Del Val vs Stevens last night, particularly the OT loss by the men, the Steven's announcer was amazing - just as good as the Aggies, Gordon Mann.   Made that second loss a tiny bit more tolerable.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 10, 2022, 08:18:37 AM
https://d3football.com/notables/2022/02/landmark-to-add-two-take-football-automatic-bid


Nice to see you again Wilkes!
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 10, 2022, 09:47:29 AM
If and when it comes to pass, Wilkes will be very much missed by this poster.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 10, 2022, 09:55:00 AM
I truly wish CJ (Colonel John) now a phD pharmacy guy, would weigh in on this.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 10, 2022, 12:42:15 PM
And, thinking about Colonel John here today, a quick true story about fans backing an established and much love Sport's League.   Don't remember the year, but the women's basketball regional was at King's.   When, you ask - DeSales'  Alyssa Antolik was their star.   We live in Easton and the games were played in the evening, and i wasn't particularly wild about going up to Wilkes Barre, but my Hubby said "we're going" - i did whole-heartedly agree that DeSales deserved out support.   We were there, the place was packed and a guy came over and said "are you Kate", and that's how we met CJ.   If it weren't for covid, to this day, we'd support DeSales or whatever MAC team was playing in the Regionals.    Now, even though Moravian is virtually right up the road in Bethlehem, i don't even check their scores on here anymore.   Bottom line, encouraging fan support, not just the handful of parents who faithfully show up, is absolutely crucial.   Hopscotching from league to league doesn't quite cut it.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on February 10, 2022, 04:00:40 PM
Quote from: kate on February 10, 2022, 08:06:21 AM
As crushing as both losses were for Del Val vs Stevens last night, particularly the OT loss by the men, the Steven's announcer was amazing - just as good as the Aggies, Gordon Mann.   Made that second loss a tiny bit more tolerable.

Good........but nobody is as good as our Gordon Mann!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: gordonmann on February 10, 2022, 08:07:44 PM
That's very kind. I enjoyed his call last night, too.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 11, 2022, 12:45:34 PM
To Dave and Pat, you both are still trying to come up with reasons for my rant after the Landmark announced that they were adding our beloved Wilkes and Lycoming.   Dave, you thought i was jealous, and that gave this 78-year old lady a real chuckle.   Let me just say that my Hubby & i have followed D3 sports since the 1998-99 season, specifically Del Val.   Our son graduated from DVC in '97, but had no involvement in the sport's programs.   We saw an article in the Morning Call high- lighting Jeanne Waznak, a DVC guard and Coach Rotz (now Hogan).   We still have the article.   Wilkes was one of our first away games and we fell in love with the place (our word was Boinky).   Everything about it was so 'us', so to speak.   Anyway, now that we're much older, our away trips have dwindled and with covid, even our Del Val trips have ceased.   We just can't chance it even though fully vaccinated.   We can't begin to tell you how much we miss going to the games and thank heavens for the chance to watch them on here.   Yes, i will always question the validity of a Landmark League, especially with division 3 sports, but just needed you both to realize a little bit of where i was coming from.   GO DEL VAL!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2022, 05:26:28 PM
Quote from: kate on February 11, 2022, 12:45:34 PM
To Dave and Pat, you both are still trying to come up with reasons for my rant after the Landmark announced that they were adding our beloved Wilkes and Lycoming.

I don't think I was actually doing that, for what it's worth. :)
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 11, 2022, 08:22:30 PM
Don't care to discuss any of it, eh Pat?   I was ready to write a book on the subject.   :) - right back at ya!
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on February 12, 2022, 01:22:05 PM
Gordon or Dave - For all sports except football, when Lycoming and Wilkes leave the MAC, without any more conference roulette (sure, THAT's happening) :), The MAC Freedom will be down to 7 schools, while the MAC Commonwealth will have 9.

Is the answer as simple as moving Eastern back over to the Freedom? Everyone else seems to have a quasi-geography partner. Albright and Alvernia. York, Leb Val and Messiah. Hood and Stevenson. That leaves Widener and Eastern (and they are only a 15-20 minute drive apart down the Blue Route and I've heard that they love being in the same conference/side of the conference).

I can't see any other logical move, again, without conference roulette, whether losing or gaining schools.

If FDU were to move on (those rumors again.........), that would really throw a monkey wrench into things. I also heard that Stevens feels a little left at the altar after thinking they had a good chance to move over to the Landmark. I'm hearing that might just be on hold vs. shot down!
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 12, 2022, 03:29:17 PM

I've also heard Messiah and Eastern like the chance to build more of a rivalry.  The future may be a bit more complicated.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on February 12, 2022, 04:01:12 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 12, 2022, 03:29:17 PM

I've also heard Messiah and Eastern like the chance to build more of a rivalry.  The future may be a bit more complicated.

Thanks Ryan!! If that is the case, again, outside of more (inevitable?) conference changes...........Widener would be the only one left that makes sense. IMO
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 13, 2022, 12:15:13 AM
Quote from: kate on February 11, 2022, 08:22:30 PM
Don't care to discuss any of it, eh Pat?   I was ready to write a book on the subject.   :) - right back at ya!

I actually still don't understand what you're getting at.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 13, 2022, 08:31:59 AM
Pat, with ALL due respect to you and everybody at d3 Hoops,  i would have loved to have gotten into the head of the person who spawned the Landmark League back in 2005 or 2006.   Yes, Dave did say the guys who came up with the 'like-minded'  premise are gone, but still....  I could see perhaps starting a local league if school finances for sports might be dwindling & longer trips became prohibitive, but holy smokes, for d3 sports????   And you have to understand, until this damn covid, d3 sports and Del Val in particular, were a huge part of our lives.   We still follow Del Val on here and are so thankful that we can do so.   I will never understand the need to fragment a Division 3 Sport's league fan base, and, above all we, my Hubby and i, value diversity.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on February 14, 2022, 12:43:59 PM
JM,

I've been out of touch for a while...but what FDU rumors?? Go to where? My source close to the program hasn't mentioned a single thing to me about a move.

And for what it's worth, I'm surprised Wilkes moved without Kings. I may be overestimating their rivalry, I guess!
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 14, 2022, 12:49:54 PM
Hello Bill - One probably couldn't underestimate their rivalry, in that not only are they in the same city, but directly next door.   Apparently when one ego-centered conference gets set on adding teams, for WHATEVER reason, they will and did just that!   Forget fanbase, traditional d3 rivalries or polling the students - it becomes a done deal.   Sad
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2022, 04:02:05 PM
Quote from: kate on February 14, 2022, 12:49:54 PM
  Forget fanbase, traditional d3 rivalries or polling the students - it becomes a done deal.   

Did hear that Lyco surveyed student-athletes on this, for what it's worth.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 14, 2022, 04:43:59 PM
Getting dinner here in Easton, but this thought just came to mind - of course, the Lycoming football team is undoubtedly thrilled at the thought of beating Juniata, Moravian, probably Susquehanna and possibly Catholic (although i know nothing about the Catholic team)!   Way to dilute an existing fan base there  :(!   Now, with covid, we - all of us in d3 and those of us that love our existing leagues, need a little continuity.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2022, 05:38:55 PM
I did not get the impression that Lycoming solely surveyed football student-athletes.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 14, 2022, 06:44:33 PM
For what it's worth, half of the current MAC membership (more than half once Wilkes/Lyco depart) has joined the conference within the last 15-20 years.

They were all 'pilfered' from somewhere.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on February 14, 2022, 11:10:33 PM
Quote from: kate on February 14, 2022, 04:43:59 PM
Getting dinner here in Easton, but this thought just came to mind - of course, the Lycoming football team is undoubtedly thrilled at the thought of beating Juniata, Moravian, probably Susquehanna and possibly Catholic (although i know nothing about the Catholic team)!   Way to dilute an existing fan base there  :(!   Now, with covid, we - all of us in d3 and those of us that love our existing leagues, need a little continuity.

Kate, just an FYI - those are the schools Lycoming has traditionally played back in an earlier version of the MAC. For example, Lyco and Juniata have played about 50 times...Lyco vs. Susquehanna more than 50. For alumni of a certain age, those schools are the norm!
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 15, 2022, 08:16:49 AM
Lefty, my point - why doesn't the landmark go after the likes of Muhlenberg, or others in the Centennial League?   Why keep hitting on the MAC?   What's wrong with the Colonial League?   The MAC has been decimated enough.     And i certainly remember when our MAC was intact, and Lycoming played Moravian, Juniata and Susquehanna.   We've followed the MAC since the '97, '98 season.   Has the landmark thought about wrestling?   Long road trips ahead for those student athletes and as i've said many times, a depleted fanbase, except, of course for each individual school.   Fortunately, Scranton fans will always feel that they're the best, just as i feel that Del Val is - the others, who knows.   For the sake of d3 sports, i wish them the best, but those teams that have left the MAC, i've pretty much lost complete interest in them.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 15, 2022, 08:52:50 AM
Quote from: kate on February 15, 2022, 08:16:49 AM
Lefty, my point - why doesn't the landmark go after the likes of Muhlenberg, or others in the Centennial League?   Why keep hitting on the MAC?   What's wrong with the Colonial League?   The MAC has been decimated enough.     And i certainly remember when our MAC was intact, and Lycoming played Moravian, Juniata and Susquehanna.   We've followed the MAC since the '97, '98 season.   Has the landmark thought about wrestling?   Long road trips ahead for those student athletes and as i've said many times, a depleted fanbase, except, of course for each individual school.   Fortunately, Scranton fans will always feel that they're the best, just as i feel that Del Val is - the others, who knows.   For the sake of d3 sports, i wish them the best, but those teams that have left the MAC, i've pretty much lost complete interest in them.
Kate,
My point is that it works both ways and it will continue to work both ways.  The MAC has been around for more than 100 years and has many different membership variations.  Every school does what they think is best for them.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 15, 2022, 08:56:32 AM
Quote from: kate on February 14, 2022, 12:49:54 PM
   Apparently when one ego-centered conference gets set on adding teams, for WHATEVER reason, they will and did just that!   Forget fanbase, traditional d3 rivalries or polling the students - it becomes a done deal.   Sad

That is an unnecessary dig at the Landmark.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 15, 2022, 09:10:44 AM
Nepa fan, i've always appreciated your posts, but back in 2006 when that landmark mission statement was presented, the words "like-minded" jumped out at me like a charging bear.   Now, some 22 years later, i still fail to see how "like-minded" truly applies itself to d3 sports.   And, don't get me wrong, in our younger years, my hubby & i practically arranged our entire winter lives around our beloved Aggies and the MAC schedule in general, so NOTHING against d3 sports.   And now, even though covid has curtailed our activities greatly, we still follow our team & league.   I can see leagues forming because of financial constraints, but to form a league of like-minded d3 athletes seems ego driven to me.   Why is that????
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 15, 2022, 09:43:44 AM
Just one more quick thought - i always felt the purpose of higher education other than the obvious, was to expose people to ALL kinds of nationalities and cultures, including sport's cultures.   Most of our precious athletes won't be going pro, so what better way to 'expose' them to other cultures than in sports, particularly d3 sports.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: bill on February 15, 2022, 10:04:52 AM
Hello,

Just wanted to clarify my earlier point about Lyco and old conference rivals Juniata, Susquehanna, and Moravian - those numbers I was stating were in regards to their old football schedules...not basketball. Forgot I was posting on the basketball board!!
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 15, 2022, 10:18:23 AM
Kate:

I just don't see how ego-centered the Landmark is?

Also, would kill for a football program like Del Val in the Electric City...
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 15, 2022, 10:41:31 AM
What the heck, Bill - we're all together on here  :), and NEPA fan, i told you i liked your posts - even when we were together & i was sparring with the Scranton fans.   Now, after a quick glance on your page, i see that Scranton fans are still the predominate posters - please believe me when i say my Hubby and i miss those trips to Scranton and grabbing a hoagie at the Subway across the street from the gym.   Thanks for the football compliment - that football program took a long time to build, but it sure is fun to watch now.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 15, 2022, 11:33:48 AM
Quote from: kate on February 15, 2022, 10:41:31 AM
What the heck, Bill - we're all together on here  :), and NEPA fan, i told you i liked your posts - even when we were together & i was sparring with the Scranton fans.   Now, after a quick glance on your page, i see that Scranton fans are still the predominate posters - please believe me when i say my Hubby and i miss those trips to Scranton and grabbing a hoagie at the Subway across the street from the gym.   Thanks for the football compliment - that football program took a long time to build, but it sure is fun to watch now.

You are dating yourself with the reference to the Subway. Ha. I went there when I was looking at attending the university.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 15, 2022, 12:35:11 PM
Many trips down Mulberry Street for this 78 year old!   Thanks again NEPA fan!
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 15, 2022, 03:48:54 PM
Week 2 Regional Rankings - which are ranked now: https://d3hoops.com/notables/2022/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on February 16, 2022, 08:10:28 AM
In our basketball world last night where there were three sad losses, the Aggie Men prevailed in a huge win over ranked DeSales, 75 to 67!     Huge Congratulations!
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on February 18, 2022, 12:29:26 PM
Quote from: Stretch4 on January 17, 2022, 05:28:12 PM
Thank you for sharing Bill.  I did see that announcement.  A little odd they didn't allow previously forfeited games to be re-scheduled (as I believe there were only 4 or 5 before 1/13).  So DelVal pick ups two freebie covid wins while Kings picks up two covid losses. We will see how the rest of the season shakes out. I can tell you that Stevens and Wilkes played a game this past weekend with 9 and 8 players available respectively, with both missing starters.  So teams are willing to play short handed to ensure the games are played.

"So DelVal picks up two freebie COVID wins". Let's see how that statement marinated over time! ;)

DelVal had a "freebie win" in a game scheduled at home against Stevens. AT Stevens, the Aggies took Stevens into overtime.

DelVal had a "freebie win" in a game scheduled at Wilkes. At home, DelVal beat Wilkes.

Without 3 players expected to play significant minutes this year (6'6" Damian Washington - All Conference type of player, 6'5" Dwayne Caine Jr and 6'4" Jordan 'Baby Barkley' Tucker) rendering them, by quite a margin, outside of FDU, the smallest team in the conference...................

DelVal went on the road and beat Lycoming!!

DelVal also beat a 13-1 DeSales team at home!!

I don't think DelVal got any freebies whatsoever!

My take:

New coach was hired too late to do any recruiting. New staff assembled late. First 9 or 10 games played on the road (gym was flooded out and practices were held in a makeshift, non-regulation sized gym), the unexpected departures of two starters with size (and one with bulk) and their probable 6th man..........with two of them playing the first two games before they bid adieu........and given that DeSales was loaded with seniors (4 who started and were arguably their best players).........

I could make the argument for DelVal head Coach Kaba for MAC Freedom Coach of the Year. I know it's unlikely, but the circumstances certainly warrant it. We'll see!! I do know that it should be interesting to see what the coaches are able to bring in with their first full recruiting cycle.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Stretch4 on February 18, 2022, 05:26:47 PM
I have a slightly different take on how it marinated over time.  Del Val was 6-4 in its first 10 games (all on the road) and 8-5 in actual games played since then (with 8 of 13 games at home).  In the conference they are 8-6 in actual games played.  Throw in two forfeit conference wins and they get to 10-6 in conference play. Those two forfeit wins clearly helped put them in a position to possibly grab the 4 seed (depending on Arcadia and Lycoming results this Saturday) and host a home playoff game.  Say they go 1-1 in those two games (a very fair assumption) then they are sitting at a 5 seed and on the road for the playoff opener.  By contrast, Arcadia and Lycoming (the two teams Del Val is fighting for playoff positioning with) had zero forfeit wins. So did Del Val benefit from the "freebie" forfeit wins ... absolutely they did.   

Unless I am reading things incorrectly (or players may be returning for an additional year of eligibility), Del Val starts 3 (sometimes 4) grad students or seniors and has 7 of their top 10 guys as grad students or seniors.  So not following the DeSales 4 senior comment.  For what its worth, DeSales typically starts 3 seniors and have 5 of their top 10 guys as seniors.  Regardless, it was a nice win over DeSales.

I think Del Val has had a nice season and likely exceeded expectations a bit given the departure of a couple of starters. I agree that Coach Kaba was hired too late, but he has done a nice job of adjusting the style of play to fit the roster he has and getting his players to commit to playing hard every night. 
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Stretch4 on February 28, 2022, 08:09:48 AM
MAC Freedom playoffs end with an outstanding game between Stevens and Lycoming.  Congrats to Stevens who really executed well in the final 5 minutes and just would not be denied on their home court.  Great game to watch with big plays coming one after another, and a ton of drama playing out throughout the game.  DiPietrantonio grabs a well-earned playoff MVP, and Coach Bobby Hurley adds to his resume with a tremendous coaching job over the last month plus of the season. 
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Stretch4 on May 22, 2022, 10:31:43 AM
Lycoming coaching vacancy has been filled ... https://lycomingathletics.com/news/2022/5/20/mens-basketball-linebaugh-named-lycomings-10th-mens-basketball-coach.aspx

Nice hire for Lycoming as Linebaugh has had a good deal of success at some really strong academic schools.  He was an assistant at d3's Dickinson and Hobart, as well as at d1's Rice and Colgate (where he was Director of Basketball Operations while former Lycoming head coach McGarvey was an assistant on Matt Langel's staff).  Linebaugh is a PA native and has a reputation for being a strong recruiter, as well as a positive influence on his players.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: kate on November 24, 2022, 08:56:14 AM
Happy Thanksgiving to all on the site and as always, GO AGGIES!
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Stretch4 on December 01, 2022, 01:08:58 PM
Nice work by FDU last night.  After going winless in the conference last season, and 0 for the season so far this year, they pull out an exciting one point win over Arcadia last night ... great example of perseverance from these guys.  Also really surprised to see pre-season #1 Lycoming get absolutely hammered by Wilkes in the conference opener (Lycoming's second straight loss by 30+).  A very talented team for sure, so not clear if this is just a bad week for these guys or there is more to the story. 

Stevens picks up 3rd straight win and looking like they have started to gel after a few early season sub-par performances. Should be an interesting game Saturday when Misericordia makes the trip to Hoboken. DeSales looking like they have reloaded very nicely after graduating several standout players from last year with the only blemishes on their record coming in very narrow defeats at the hands of nationally ranked Stockton and Swarthmore.  Coach Coval is as good as any coach in the country, so look for his team to be right in the thick of the battle for the conference championship as the season progresses. 
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 01, 2022, 02:14:24 PM
Quote from: Stretch4 on December 01, 2022, 01:08:58 PM
Nice work by FDU last night.  After going winless in the conference last season, and 0 for the season so far this year, they pull out an exciting one point win over Arcadia last night ... great example of perseverance from these guys.  Also really surprised to see pre-season #1 Lycoming get absolutely hammered by Wilkes in the conference opener (Lycoming's second straight loss by 30+).  A very talented team for sure, so not clear if this is just a bad week for these guys or there is more to the story. 

Stevens picks up 3rd straight win and looking like they have started to gel after a few early season sub-par performances. Should be an interesting game Saturday when Misericordia makes the trip to Hoboken. DeSales looking like they have reloaded very nicely after graduating several standout players from last year with the only blemishes on their record coming in very narrow defeats at the hands of nationally ranked Stockton and Swarthmore.  Coach Coval is as good as any coach in the country, so look for his team to be right in the thick of the battle for the conference championship as the season progresses.


Stevens has those twin towers that can cause havoc.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: d3hoopstories on December 05, 2022, 07:45:28 AM
Stevens was 0-4 on Nov 22 as they headed to Baruch. After an awful first half there, it appeared they'd drop to 0-5.

With 12:58 to go in that game, the Ducks trailed 52-22. Behind two newcomers (Matt Leming and Alex Ratner), they clawed back and sent the game into OT thanks to a 31-10 run over the last 6:30. Leming, who had only played briefly in one game prior to that night, hit 7 3's and the Ducks won by 3.

Since that time, they have looked like the defending champs of the Freedom League. Those two newcomers have joined returning regulars Spellman, Coffey and Goodall to form a solid nucleus. Bischoping gives them solid minutes up front. The key will be figuring out who else can be productive off the bench. Crowley's minutes are down significantly from last year but he brings experience and grit. Strambi is a grad transfer from D1 Santa Clara and could help with rebounding.

Major test at Middlebury next weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Stretch4 on December 19, 2022, 10:58:58 PM
DeSales and Lycoming with a couple of nice wins today over two teams previously receiving votes in the national rankings.  DeSales takes down a 1 loss Muhlenberg team in a thriller.  Extremely efficient shooting and great execution down the stretch by the Bulldogs.  Lycoming takes down previously undefeated Scranton with a late 3 pointer off of an offensive rebound.  Great job by these two teams.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: d3hoopstories on January 03, 2023, 11:28:03 AM
Tomorrow night, each of the two remaining unbeaten teams faces a team with one loss. So, if DeSales and Stevens notch wins, they will hold a two-game lead in the loss column over the remainder of the league. They play each other in Hoboken on January 18.

DeSales looks to be the class of the MAC Freedom, having won eight straight including the win over Muhlenberg mentioned by Stretch4 as well as victories over Montclair St and Ursinus over the last two weeks. All three of those opponents are in the top 80 in efficiency rankings.

Stevens has not yet achieved a notable win and neither has Wilkes, its opponent tomorrow. The game at Castle Point appears to be a toss-up.

Lycoming has faced a very difficult schedule to date. Aside from the win over Scranton, they were close in the Nov 19 game with Johns Hopkins (down 1 with 33 seconds). That should prepare them well for the test against DeSales.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: d3hoopstories on January 19, 2023, 11:24:20 AM
Some questions and answers at the halfway point in league play:

(1) Can anyone beat DeSales?
Both Wilkes and Lycoming came close but the Bulldogs stand at 8-0. It will be tough to go through the second half unscathed but there is little doubt that DeSales will be the #1 seed for the conference tournament.

(2) Who will grab the #2 seed?
Lycoming sits at 6-2, a game ahead of Stevens (who they beat) and Wilkes (who beat them). The Warriors ought to be favored in at least five of their remaining games and it might be difficult for their competition to get to 11 conference wins. In the games we have watched, they have appeared to be the second best team in the league.

The "bye" this weekend comes at a great time for Wilkes (5-3). The Colonels travel to Lycoming next Wednesday before hosting Stevens and DeSales the following week. If they can grab two of three, they will be in the mix for the second seed. Wilkes has the top offense (ppg) and second best defense in the league. The loss to Misericordia was a bit of a head-scratcher but the Colonels shot just 42% from the field and Misi took 33 free throws.

For the Ducks, just one of their next six opponents has a winning record in league games so the next few weeks might be a time to build momentum before traveling to DeSales on Valentine's Day and closing the regular season at home against Lycoming. This Hurley team has been more inconsistent than most of his recent squads so a slip-up is not out of the question. The Ducks would love to grab the 3 seed and avoid having to play in the 4/5 game.

(3) Who will win player-of-the-year?
Watkins, Spellman, Harward and Lesko seem to be the favorites at this point. Their head-to-head matchups in the second half should provide clarity about the ultimate winner.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: d3hoopstories on January 22, 2023, 11:47:58 AM
DeSales Dominates
The Bulldogs (9-0) were easy winners yesterday and now feature eight players averaging between 6.5 and 11.1 points per game. This team gets after it on the glass as well, with a +8.5 margin in rebounding on the season. In sum, their top 4 three points shooters connect on nearly 40% of shots from long range. As a team, they assist on 55% of made field goals. If there is one weakness to watch, it would be that their two most frequent free throw shooters are just 59 of 105.

Lycoming Loses

The Warriors (6-3) suffered a heartbreaking loss on a last-minute tip in by Arcadia's Jalen Watkins yesterday. The turning point in the game was a 5-minute Lycoming drought in the middle of the second half, which allowed Arcadia to move ahead by 6. That drought coincided with Steven Hamilton picking up his fourth foul with about 12 minutes to play. Hamilton had picked up two fouls in the first six minutes of the game and was limited to just 2 of 9 field goals overall. In addition, Arcadia enjoyed a 42-28 advantage on points in the paint.

Wilkes Waits
The Colonels (5-3) had Saturday off to prepare for a Wednesday trip to Williamsport to face Lycoming, exactly eight weeks after a 34-point win over the Warriors, a game in which Wilkes limited the Warriors to just 29% shooting and led 35-15 at half. We expect a tighter affair this week with the winner emerging as the favorite for the #2 seed and a home semifinal in the MAC tournament. The Colonels are 7-2 when they reach 70 points but just 3-5 when they fall short of that mark.

Stevens Struggles to Start (Again)
Stevens (5-4) was once again plagued by a slow start and lost its fourth straight. The Ducks went 2-12 from the field to begin the game, with four missed layups and two turnovers in the first 6:30, after which they trailed 13-5. This continued a trend that began in the loss to Arcadia on January 11. During that four-game stretch, Stevens' starting guards are just 4-25 with five turnovers in the opening seven minutes. On the whole, the Ducks have been 7-20 on layups during those opening stretches. Look for Hurley to tinker with the starting lineup when the Ducks host Delaware Valley in Hoboken on Wednesday night. Reserve guard Alex Ratner provided a spark yesterday and it would not surprise us to see him get the nod. Goodall, a decent driver and defender, could then play off the ball.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: d3hoopstories on January 29, 2023, 01:33:22 PM
Bulldogs' Bid Gets a Boost

DeSales (11-0 in conference) will be the #1 seed heading into the MAC Freedom tournament. But could the Bulldogs snag an at-large bid to the NCAA tournament, if needed? Now 17-3, they will be heavy favorites in all five games remaining in the regular season. Winning out and adding a MACF semifinal victory would have them at 23-3 heading into the title game. Currently 27th nationally in Matt Snyder's efficiency ratings, the Bulldogs would certainly be mentioned among teams on the bubble at that point with a winning percentage above .850 even if they lose the championship game. The largest concern is that the remainder of the conference is relatively weak this year, leaving DeSales with just two or three "quality" wins on its resume.

Lycoming Limps Home from DeSales

After a huge OT win at home over Wilkes on Thursday, Lycoming (7-4) had a quick turnaround before a two-hour bus ride to DeSales for a Saturday afternoon game. Fatigue was evident at the start of the game, with the Warriors falling behind 15-4 and 29-12. For the game, the Warriors went 4-23 from behind the arc and lost 90-47 to the top team in the league. The good news? They get a bye on Wednesday and therefore have a week to rest and prepare for a home game against Delaware Valley next Saturday. That will be the first of four in which the Warriors are likely to be favored. Win all of those and they will lock up the second seed and be home for a MACF semifinal.

Cardiac Kids from Castle Point

How big was the Ducks' win at Wilkes yesterday without their top player Jack Spellman? It gave them sole possession of third place when a loss would have dropped them into a tie for sixth. More importantly, it means that Stevens has a season sweep of the Colonels, which could come into play to determine seeding for the MACF tournament. Now at 6-5 in conference play, Stevens remains one game back of Lycoming for second place. The two teams meet on February 18 in the final regular season game. But that is only a battle for second if the Ducks are tied or a game back. The more likely scenario is that a battle for 3rd place might come down to Stevens and Wilkes, which makes yesterday's win crucial for the Ducks to avoid the 4/5 play-in game. The Colonels still have four games left against top-7 teams, including two road games. The Ducks have just three games remaining against that group and two of those happen to be in Hoboken.

What a Week for Wilkes

The Colonels suffered two heartbreaking losses this week and now sit at 5-5 in conference play. On Thursday night, the Colonels trailed on the road at Lycoming 52-40 with 12:27 remaining and used a 20-4 run to grab a 4-point lead with 4:48 remaining. Perhaps because of the energy expended during that stretch, they managed only one more field goal in regulation and lost in OT when Lycoming's Steven Hamilton hit a tough shot in traffic at the buzzer. Less than 48 hours later, in their own gym, the Colonels led Stevens by 9 with 1:46 to play but could not manage another point. The Ducks capped an 11-0 run with a 3-pointer at the buzzer by freshman Matt Leming to win 65-63. The road for Wilkes gets no easier as DeSales visits Wednesday.

Game to watch this week:

Arcadia at Delaware Valley (Wednesday, 6:00pm)
These two met at Arcadia on December 7, with the Aggies prevailing 53-51 in a defensive game in which the Knights turned it over 24 times. The rematch feels like an elimination game. Now sitting at 5-6 in conference, the Knights cannot afford to lose this one, especially given their remaining schedule which includes road games at Stevens and Wilkes before the home finale versus DeSales. The Aggies, 5-5 and winners of three straight, also need to stockpile wins as they are likely to be underdogs in three of their final five games.

Player of the Year Watch:

Eberly (DeSales) and Harward (Lycoming) are the front-runners. Watkins (Arcadia) and Lazdowsky (Misericordia) are the prime candidates to challenge them. Spellman (Stevens) has missed two straight games but remains in contention for all-conference honors.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: stlawus on January 29, 2023, 06:09:22 PM
It should go up but DeSales currently has a sub .500 SOS.  I'm reminded of Utica last year.  Only lost 4 games but had an SOS that was around .507.   Better snag the AQ.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Stretch4 on February 26, 2023, 10:32:38 AM
Congrats to Arcadia for capturing the MAC Freedom Championship. On the road to beat the #2 and #1 seeds in successive games is not an easy task, but they showed a lot of toughness and played really high quality basketball in bringing home the title. Watkins grabs the tournament MVP, but it could have just as easily gone to Money or Johnson who were outstanding in both tournament games. DeSales may have relied a bit too much on likely conference rookie of the year Nate Ellis in the championship game. After his big semi-final performance last Wednesday, Ellis struggled with his shooting and decision making in the finals.  Don't think DeSales can get an at-large, so while they probably over-achieved throughout the course of the season and have a lot to be proud of, I am sure they are disappointed in the finish to their season.

Based on their overall resume, I assume Arcadia will be the four seed in whatever pod they end up in for the NCAA's. They won't back down from anyone, so let's see if they can give some top seed in the pod a run. 
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Stretch4 on October 24, 2023, 12:51:22 PM
DeSales 2023-20024 roster posted and there is one very glaring omission. Last season's conference rookie of the year and (in my opinion) most talented player on their roster, Nate Ellis, is missing. DeSales still has a very strong roster with the bulk of the roster returning from last year, and one of the best coaches in D3 hoops, but if Ellis is truly gone that is a huge loss for them as he was there leading scorer as a freshman and I'm sure was a big part of their plans moving forward.

https://athletics.desales.edu/sports/mens-basketball/roster
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Greek Tragedy on October 24, 2023, 05:21:04 PM
I just clicked on the link you provided and it lists Nate Ellis..
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 25, 2023, 12:40:55 PM
Quote from: Stretch4 on October 24, 2023, 12:51:22 PM
DeSales 2023-20024 roster posted and there is one very glaring omission. Last season's conference rookie of the year and (in my opinion) most talented player on their roster, Nate Ellis, is missing. DeSales still has a very strong roster with the bulk of the roster returning from last year, and one of the best coaches in D3 hoops, but if Ellis is truly gone that is a huge loss for them as he was there leading scorer as a freshman and I'm sure was a big part of their plans moving forward.

https://athletics.desales.edu/sports/mens-basketball/roster

It was a song called, "The GPA Shuffle"....................Coval is very good at that as well. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Stretch4 on October 26, 2023, 07:43:34 AM
I see that Nate Ellis has returned to the roster. He definitely was not originally included. That is good news for DeSales fans.
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Post by: d3hoopstories on November 13, 2023, 11:20:17 AM
Arcadia notched a very good win over Susquehanna this week. The Knights trailed by 11 with 8:19 remaining and used a 15-0 run keyed by back-to-back threes from Nas Johnson to regain control. Jalen Watkins had 17 points and 12 rebounds, making up for an off night for Justin Money, who was 3-11 from the floor. The Knights were outrebounded 43-34, a concerning stat to keep an eye on given their athleticism.

Stevens opened the season at #17 Catholic and led by 7 early in the second half. But the Ducks failed to get stops during a crucial stretch, with Catholic scoring on 10 out of 11 possessions against a lineup that sometimes included a pair of freshmen. The Ducks surrendered 33 points in the final 12 minutes and lost by 5, making just 7 of 28 3-point attempts. Scranton transfer Braunstein led the Ducks with 18. Spellman finished with 16 points, 9 boards and 7 blocks. A home game Wednesday against NJCU and a road game Saturday at Scranton will require a better effort on the defensive end.

DeSales coasted in its opener, with five players in double figures. The Bulldogs have two good tests this week, hosting TCNJ on Tuesday and traveling to Swarthmore on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on November 15, 2023, 09:36:02 PM
Misericordia Head Coach Will Chandler won his 100th career game tonight, likely becoming the first member of the 2,500 point/100 win club. 
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Stretch4 on November 16, 2023, 01:20:26 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on November 15, 2023, 09:36:02 PM
Misericordia Head Coach Will Chandler won his 100th career game tonight, likely becoming the first member of the 2,500 point/100 win club.

All at the same school! Congrats to Coach Chandler.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 17, 2023, 12:05:38 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on November 15, 2023, 09:36:02 PM
Misericordia Head Coach Will Chandler won his 100th career game tonight, likely becoming the first member of the 2,500 point/100 win club.

Carthage's Steve Djurikovic should join him in 5-6 years.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: d3hoopstories on November 28, 2023, 07:12:49 AM
Games to watch in the MAC Freedom this week, Part 1 --

Wednesday: DeSales hosts Widener at 7pm

Two of the top 40 teams in the country according to D3Datacast.

DeSales was picked second in the MAC Freedom preseason poll. Widener is the favorite in the MAC Commonwealth. The Bulldogs' only loss came at nationally-ranked Swarthmore, where a 15-7 run helped them tie the game with two minutes left before falling 68-64. Widener's only loss came at nationally-ranked Hampden-Sydney.

Key to the game: Can DeSales limit Widener's opportunities from behind the arc? The Pride average nearly 10 made threes per game. They spread the floor with multiple shooters who are capable of getting hot, including senior reserve Luke Mazur.

DeSales is 25-6 at home since the start of the '21-'22 season.

Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 28, 2023, 12:14:01 PM
Huge game. Widener is loaded with a few "5th" year guys back like Dunn and a couple of grad transfers like Rankine. DeSales, of course, has shown they can play with anyone with their close loss to Swat.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Stretch4 on November 28, 2023, 05:20:36 PM
6th year in the case of Dunn!
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: d3hoopstories on November 29, 2023, 06:20:45 AM
Games to watch in the MAC Freedom this week, Part 2 --

Arcadia (5-0) travels to York (2-2) for a 7:00pm tip-off

The unbeaten Knights, picked to win the MAC Freedom, leave the comfort of Alumni Gymnasium for the first time this season, traveling 100 miles west to face a Spartans team that has had 11 days to think about its double overtime loss to Gettysburg. York should finish in the top half of the Commonwealth, which is currently the 7th best league according to Matt Snyder's efficiency rankings.

Jalen Watkins averages 19 points and 13 rebounds to lead Arcadia, which also has a pair of double figure scorers in guards Justin Money and Nas Johnson. The two are shooting a combined 15-43 (35%) on 3-point attempts this season and have an assist/turnover ratio of 2 to 1. The other starters (Vazquez and Okocha) are decent defenders and know their roles on offense. The Knights' size and length might prove troublesome for the Spartans.

York has attempted 30 fewer free-throw attempts than its opponents through four games, in part because of their heavy reliance on long distance shooting (25 3-point attempts per game). The Spartans simply cannot allow Watkins to beat them up inside and get to the line. Cipalla must avoid foul trouble for York to have a chance. While the computers lean toward the Spartans, I think the Knights win a close one.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: d3hoopstories on November 30, 2023, 09:00:59 PM
Games to watch in the MAC Freedom this week, Part 3 --

Stevens travels to Hood on Saturday. Tip-off is 2pm.

The Ducks have won five straight after opening the season with a narrow loss at nationally-ranked Catholic. Their grad transfer from Scranton, Stephen Braunstein, averages 19 points per game and has made 23 of 53 from long distance, including 9 of 12 last night. Junior Jack Spellman, last year's Defensive Player of the Year in the MACF, averages 12 points, 11 rebounds and 7 blocks per game. Veteran guards Goodall and Coffey are off to slow starts, shooting a combined 30% from the field including just 5 for 30 on 3's. The next three players in terms of minutes are freshmen (guard Maddison and forwards Singh and Chhabra) who have shown flashes of potential but also been prone to fouls and turnovers.

Hood brings a top 25 offense into the matchup. Stevens has a top 25 defense. The Ducks will be challenged to find Hood's shooters as six different Blazers have at least 5 3's already this season. The top 4 shooters have converted on 42 of 106 attempts (40%). Hood owns wins over Catholic and Cal Lutheran. The Blazers' only loss came to a Mary Washington team that received some votes in this week's top 25 poll.



Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 01, 2023, 12:03:20 PM
Nice work d3hoopstories +1k
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: d3hoopstories on December 02, 2023, 07:24:31 AM
Huge Saturday for MAC Freedom teams.

*First, it appears the tip-off time for Stevens @ Hood has been moved to 1:00pm (you can find a preview a couple of posts above)

Elsewhere:

DeSales (3-2) visits Alvernia (3-1) at 1:00pm

Expect a ton of free throws in this one! DeSales averages 25 FTs per game and Alvernia goes to the line 22 times per contest.

Alvernia's guard-oriented offense has four starters averaging in double figures. The defense has generally been good. However, in their only loss this season, they gave up 10 3's and allowed Wilkes to shoot 55% from the field, including 21-29 inside the arc. They were also outrebounded 35-29.

Gibbs and Eberly provide an inside presence for DeSales that might provide the difference but today might be a day for Boylan or Guldin to shine. Bulldogs are slight underdogs on the road. A win would be a boost for the conference.

Arcadia (5-1) at Widener (6-1)

Arcadia aims to avoid consecutive losses but has a huge hill to climb on the road at Widener, which appears to be a legitimate top 25 team. (They received strong consideration by voters this week but sit just outside the rankings.) The Pride built a strong early season schedule and earned wins over Roanoke, Wooster and DeSales. Their only loss is to Hampden-Sydney, which is likely to be #1 in next week's poll.

Arcadia had a narrow loss in a midweek game at York after racking up five straight wins at home to start the season. Jalen Watkins will need help from Justin Money if the Knights are to stay competitive in this one.

Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: d3hoopstories on December 02, 2023, 09:08:19 AM
Finally, the only unbeaten team in the league, Misericordia, travels to Eastern. Tip-off is 3pm.

The Cougars have feasted on cupcakes to date. Opponents have a combined record of 10-23. Eastern was picked second to Widener in the preseason poll for the MAC Commonwealth and has faced a more difficult schedule. This game will provide an excellent barometer for both teams. Miz has a veteran roster that seems to exceed expectations. The home court advantage might be the difference here.

Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 02, 2023, 10:26:11 AM
I knew that Desales was a very experienced team but I didn't know how experienced until I looked at their stats to date. All 4 double digit scorers are seniors as are 6 of their top 8 scorers. Also, I hear through my network that all is not well with Ellis from an eligibility standpoint.........but Coval the coach will meet with Coval the A.D. and get that straightened out ;) . A father of a player on the team said that there is a real "tension" around the "Ellis situation".........but would not go into any detail.

A majority of their rebounding stats (outside of the top rebounder, Gibbs, who is a 4th year junior) are from seniors as well.

If Desales is going to make any noise outside of winning the MAC (which is not guaranteed given that Watkins came back after looking around at D2 options), this would be the year!!
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: d3hoopstories on December 02, 2023, 09:15:53 PM
Recap of MAC Freedom games from Saturday. Both DeSales and Stevens picked up important wins...

DeSales gets key road win

DeSales grabbed 18 offensive rebounds (Alvernia had just 17 defensive rebounds) and the Bulldogs reached their season average of 25 free throw attempts, making 19 of them in a 68-63 win on the road.

DeSales held Alvernia to just 38% from the field, including 6 of 28 from long distance. The Bulldogs used a 13-3 run with 8:39 to go, keyed by baskets from Barnes, Bowen and Boylan, to break open a tight game and hang on for a crucial victory. The players we spotlighted in our preview, Guldin and Boylan, combined for 20 points and 12 rebounds in 41 minutes.

Stevens shocks Hood

The Ducks placed five players in double figures in a dominant 85-66 win on the road over Hood College. In our preview, we mentioned that veteran guards Coffey and Goodall had been off to slow starts. They woke up today, combining for 28 points, 12 rebounds and 8 assists. Beyond that, their defense kept Hood's shooters off balance and limited Hood to 8 for 37 from behind the arc.

For the Ducks, Braunstein hit five more 3's, keeping up his hot shooting, and Matt Leming hit key shots off the bench. With the Ducks down 2 with 4:10 to go first half, Leming came back into the game and the Ducks went on a 15-2 run with their four veteran guards in the game. They finished 16 for 30 from behind the arc.

Misery for Misericordia

Kevin Lazdowsky's 29 points were not enough as the Cougars lost for the first time this season, 67-66, on the road at Eastern. Misericordia had its chances but scored just 4 points in the final 3:30, missing the front end of 1-and-1 tries on three different occasions during that stretch.

Agony for Arcadia

The Knights fell behind 36-20 after 15 minutes and never recovered, getting crushed by a Widener team that looks like a postseason contender.

Del Val goes down

Delaware Valley fell to York in a game that was closer than the final score of 84-72. The Rams were down just 3 with 4:28 remaining but York closed on a 14-5 run, hitting six of their last seven shots as DelVal failed to get stops.



Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: d3hoopstories on December 03, 2023, 06:09:06 AM
Projected Standings
(Based on Massey Ratings of December 3):

11-3 DeSales
10-4 Stevens
  8-6 Arcadia
  8-6 Misericordia
  6-8 Delaware Valley
  6-8 Lebanon Valley
  4-10 King's
  3-11 FDU Florham

Player of the Year Candidates:

1. Watkins (Arcadia) - 18.6 ppg, 12.1 reb
2. Spellman (Stevens) - 12 ppg, 10.3 reb, 5 blocks per game, 61% FG Pct
3. Eberly (DeSales) - 14.3 ppg, 6.2 reb, 65% FG Pct
4. Lazdowsky (Misericordia) - 18.7 ppg, 4.8 reb, 4.4 assists
5. Braunstein (Stevens) - 19 ppg, 28-65 on 3's
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: d3hoopstories on December 14, 2023, 03:56:48 PM
An Up and Down Season for Arcadia

Arcadia has lost four straight games after opening the season with five consecutive home wins. The largest issue seems to be rebounding. This weekend's home game against a Scranton team that is on an 8-game losing streak might come at just the right time.

In the recent losing streak, top scorer Jalen Watkins has battled foul trouble, perhaps owing to the fact that he has had to shoulder so much of the workload on this year's team. While his rebounding stats are inflated a bit because of weaker competition to start the season, you can count on him to deliver 17 to 19 points and 8 to 10 rebounds every night. He battles and will be a first-team all-conference selection.

Justin Money, on the other hand, has struggled to find his groove during this four-game stretch, making just 1 of 17 from behind the arc and 14 of 44 overall from the field. Across all of last season, Money made 45% from distance, including a remarkable 21 of 30 3-pointers over the Knights' last eight games. This suggests improvement is coming. Look for him to break out before the calendar turns to January. Arcadia will need him to be consistent if they are to finish in the upper half of the MAC Freedom.

Nas Johnson is a dynamic guard who showed last year that he is capable of being another scoring threat. He loves to drive when his shot is not falling, but he has already hit 16 3's this year, including 8-20 over the last four games. His quickness will cause trouble in man-to-man situations during conference play. Like Money, we expect he will be a key contributor when conference play begins.

Okocha is a bit of an enigma. He has taken as many from outside the arc as he has inside the arc. Given that he is generally the second tallest guy on the floor for the Knights (at 6'5"), they need him to occasionally establish a presence in the post and to defend strong forwards on opposing teams. The potential back-ups, Norman and Attivo, look to be a year or so away from contributing. The weakness at this position is the primary factor preventing the Knights from competing at the top of the league.

Sophomore guard Darius Isaac has been prone to fouls and turnovers. He gave good minutes in the Widener game, although much of that was against the second team in a blowout loss. His occasional running mate, Dominic Vazquez, hit a slump at the same time as Justin Money. The junior from Philadelphia is just 3-20 from the field over the last four games. If they want to get to the postseason tournament, the Knights will need him to return to last year's form, when he averaged 10 points and 3 assists in more than 30 minutes per game.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: d3hoopstories on December 17, 2023, 04:40:45 PM
Knights get a needed win over a subpar Scranton squad after struggling with turnovers during the first half. Starters played all but 24 minutes.

Vazquez was great (12 points and 12 assists, just two turnovers in 39 minutes) and the dynamic duo came through big time as Arcadia dominated inside. Watkins had 26 points and 12 rebounds and Money had 19 points, 5 rebounds and 4 assists.

Nas Johnson did not play. Was that him with his arm in a sling on the bench?
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: d3hoopstories on December 18, 2023, 09:07:06 AM
A very efficient Nate Ellis (17 points in 17 minutes) led DeSales to an easy road win at Muhlenberg. As has been the case all season, the Bulldogs spread out the scoring with seven players contributing between 5 and 9 points each. Caleb Gibbs, last week's MACF player of the week, had nine points and eight rebounds. Mason Barnes had eight points and nine assists.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Stretch4 on December 20, 2023, 03:51:18 PM
An under the radar game yesterday between Misericordia and Willamette in Salem OR just happened to be one of the most entertaining games I have seen all year. An overtime thriller with tremendous action throughout that saw Northwest Conference Willamette prevail on the strength of an offensive explosion from one of their guards in OT who absolutely caught fire after being held in check the entire game. Misericordia got really good games from 5th year seniors Hornung, Kreitzer and Smith, while their main man Lazdowsky had a near triple double and filled up a lot of statistics. Unfortunately for Lazdowsky some of the statistics he filled up included 5 fouls, 6 turnovers and 14 missed shots. Sad to say the difference in regulation may have been the technical foul on Coach Chandler in first half when he just would not stop berating an official over what he believed was a missed foul call. 

Adding to the game was the outstanding broadcast production of Willamette. One of the top D3 broadcasts I have ever seen that included an outstanding job by their long time broadcaster and a very professional camera operation with multiple views, replays, zoom in/out, etc. Great stuff.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: d3hoopstories on December 21, 2023, 07:36:22 AM
Fantastic report, Stretch. Thank you!
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: d3hoopstories on February 22, 2024, 08:17:22 AM
DeSales Dominates
The hot hand of Mason Barnes (24 points on 10-13 FG/4-7 3PT) allowed DeSales to advance to the MACF Championship. The Bulldogs looked every bit of a top 20 team in dominating Misericordia in the semifinal. Barnes does so much for this team but his scoring breakout was unusual. He had averaged just 8 points a game in his previous 8 outings. However, his 3:1 assist-to-turnover ratio this season is indicative of the role he can play on a team with so many shooters.

Five players hit multiple 3's last night. On the season, nine players average between 6 and 12 points a game. They are so hard to guard because of the multitude of scoring options they can employ. In their own gym, they play a physical style and rotate bench guys in to stay fresh. They ought to be a heavy favorite on Saturday and will be a very tough out in March.


Ducks Escape
Down by 11 with 13:30 to go, Stevens turned up the energy on D, got some big 3's and hung on to beat Arcadia. Jack Spellman finished with 19 points, 15 rebounds and 5 blocks. Stephen Braunstein had 14 points and 3 assists. The comeback was sparked by a huge 3 from Matt Leming, who had not played in the first 26 minutes of the game. Just 16 seconds after entering, the sophomore buried a deep shot to cut the lead to 8. Just four minutes later, the game was tied. Tommy Scholl, who had made a couple of careless turnovers in the second half, redeemed himself by hitting a 3 with 25 seconds left to provide the winning margin.

Arcadia's all-conference player Jalen Watkins battled foul trouble throughout the game. He had to sit for seven minutes after picking up his 4th foul with a little over 11 minutes remaining. His absence allowed the Ducks to extend their run.

As they head into the conference final, the Ducks must be concerned about the lack of production from their frontcourt reserves. Freshman Harmehar Chhabra had a +/- rating of -12 last night and has had little impact of late. In his last 9 games, he has just 5 field goals while committing 9 turnovers and 13 fouls. If he enters on Saturday, look for DeSales to take advantage.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on February 22, 2024, 04:06:02 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on December 02, 2023, 10:26:11 AMI knew that Desales was a very experienced team but I didn't know how experienced until I looked at their stats to date. All 4 double digit scorers are seniors as are 6 of their top 8 scorers. Also, I hear through my network that all is not well with Ellis from an eligibility standpoint.........but Coval the coach will meet with Coval the A.D. and get that straightened out ;) . A father of a player on the team said that there is a real "tension" around the "Ellis situation".........but would not go into any detail.

A majority of their rebounding stats (outside of the top rebounder, Gibbs, who is a 4th year junior) are from seniors as well.

If Desales is going to make any noise outside of winning the MAC (which is not guaranteed given that Watkins came back after looking around at D2 options), this would be the year!!

My message from December 2 looks like it aged very well. Desales is a very, very veteran team. Their stud junior is even a Covid Senior. The comment about Ellis was spot on as well as my insider told me that Coval bent over backwards for him a dozen times.......but eventually couldn't anymore. Coval the A.D. had a long talk with Coval the basketball coach.......and Coval the A.D. finally won out!

This season will be a huge disappointment if this very veteran Desales men's team does not at least get to the Sweet 16........and just as much of a disappointment if the women's team does not make the Elite Eight. This is what veteran teams are built for.

I am stunned that Arcadia, who basically brought back their entire MAC Championship team from last season, looked so average (forget the conference the record). Watkins didn't want to be there and was stunned that no D2 team (PSAC) took a shot at him. The big guy is also a disappointment. The guards are steady but this team was off all year. They padded their record against the also-rans of the MAC.

This is the year for both Desales teams. Will they show up? I think they will.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Stretch4 on February 22, 2024, 04:54:53 PM
DeSales has actually gone to another level since the departure of Ellis who was clearly a distraction, but was without question their most talented individual player. A testament to Coval and staff, as well as their veteran players. 21 straight wins is impressive, and I am sure they are salivating at an opportunity to take down some teams from the so-called power conferences in D3. The fact that they are sitting behind Rowan in the regional rankings is laughable.

As far as Arcadia goes, I think you might have been a bit harsh. Yes, their expectations were high, but the reality is they were coming off a season where they were the third best team in the conference, and while they had all starters returning, they had no depth at all. They went 17-9 with five losses to DeSales (0-2) and Stevens (0-3) who are clearly just better teams this year than Arcadia. And for the record, if Watkins was disappointed that a D2 school didn't grab him, he surely did not mail it in this season. A heck of a career for that young man. 
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: d3hoopstories on February 23, 2024, 07:03:17 AM
I thoroughly enjoyed watching Jalen Watkins throughout his career. He works hard, has a nose for the ball, and should have an opportunity to play abroad as a professional given his high motor and willingness to rebound.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on February 24, 2024, 12:51:29 PM
Watkins spent the offseason in the portal and had a few assurances that a few D2 programs had real interest. When nothing materialized (we begged Bloomsburg to take a look......to no avail), he came back and while not mailing it in, if you talk to his Dad, he could not believe the lack of interest. Great career and could have played at a weaker PSAC school, but not a school like Jefferson, which he was hoping for.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on February 25, 2024, 02:23:53 PM
I don't know what it is about MAC Freedom Championship games at home.......but Desales has an abysmal record, even in a year like this when they were the dominant team in an average conference. I know that the gym is tiny and the support is tepid......no football team, typically "the crazies", and no wrestling team, makes about 150 less fellow student-athletes at the game and there really isn't much community support as the school sits kind of in the middle of nowhere.

If they play like they did yesterday, I'm not sure that the Sweet Sixteen is a lock Let's see if that loss hurts them at all in the bracket they wind up in and their first round game.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Stretch4 on February 25, 2024, 04:44:24 PM
I believe 1 MAC Freedom championship for DeSales in past 10 years, with 6 or 7 regular season 1st place finishes. I know for sure that their very talented senior class this year had four regular season 1st place finishes, and lost 3 home game championships and 1 home game semi-final. At some point that does creep in to the heads of the coaches and players. As far as yesterday went, I think you need to give credit to Stevens who put together a very good defense effort, and quite honestly were the tougher team yesterday. Hard to beat a good team 3 times in one year, and Stevens is clearly a good team. 

In my opinion, the way this D3 season has played out with seemingly any team vulnerable on any given night, it is a challenge to put a Sweet Sixteen lock label on anyone.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: lefty2 on February 25, 2024, 07:47:47 PM
Quote from: Stretch4 on February 25, 2024, 04:44:24 PMI believe 1 MAC Freedom championship for DeSales in past 10 years, with 6 or 7 regular season 1st place finishes. I know for sure that their very talented senior class this year had four regular season 1st place finishes, and lost 3 home game championships and 1 home game semi-final. At some point that does creep in to the heads of the coaches and players. As far as yesterday went, I think you need to give credit to Stevens who put together a very good defense effort, and quite honestly were the tougher team yesterday. Hard to beat a good team 3 times in one year, and Stevens is clearly a good team. 

In my opinion, the way this D3 season has played out with seemingly any team vulnerable on any given night, it is a challenge to put a Sweet Sixteen lock label on anyone.

You can check your math here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1goo2eKaPC5byw3Ki2f6YF6tB5Ni1ekgN5MxKVONooaE/edit?path=mbball#gid=634347005

Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on February 26, 2024, 02:59:14 PM
Quote from: Stretch4 on February 25, 2024, 04:44:24 PMI believe 1 MAC Freedom championship for DeSales in past 10 years, with 6 or 7 regular season 1st place finishes. I know for sure that their very talented senior class this year had four regular season 1st place finishes, and lost 3 home game championships and 1 home game semi-final. At some point that does creep in to the heads of the coaches and players. As far as yesterday went, I think you need to give credit to Stevens who put together a very good defense effort, and quite honestly were the tougher team yesterday. Hard to beat a good team 3 times in one year, and Stevens is clearly a good team. 

In my opinion, the way this D3 season has played out with seemingly any team vulnerable on any given night, it is a challenge to put a Sweet Sixteen lock label on anyone.

3 home game championships losses and 1 home semifinal loss? Ouch, I had forgotten THAT!! Coval will hit the D2/PSAC transfer area hard, as he has done in the past. Only 8 players got on the court against Stevens.......6 seniors, 1 fourth year junior (Gibbs, a player!) and 1 junior (who is so so, Atkinson).

He needs to have a stellar recruiting year as the bench isn't great (told by someone close to the program) and apparently Gibbs will get his degree in May and is trying to decide about next year (Coval comes up with a "super package".......and Gibbs starts work towards his Masters, IMO:)
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on March 02, 2024, 11:10:15 AM
77-51?!?!?!

Did anybody see THAT coming? Seniors Boylan, Barnes & Guldin shot a combined 1-21 and even when adding in Gibbs, they shot 5-33. I never thought that a team this incredibly saavy and veteran would put up a first round showing like this!!

I really thought that this would be the year, with so much senior experience, that Desales would win at least a game or two. I know what the expectations were from those within the program.

It has almost become a pattern. Win the MAC regular season. Lose in the MAC playoffs and lose a first round NCAA Playoff game. Back to the drawing board.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on March 03, 2024, 11:45:19 AM
Quote from: Stretch4 on February 22, 2024, 04:54:53 PMDeSales has actually gone to another level since the departure of Ellis who was clearly a distraction, but was without question their most talented individual player. A testament to Coval and staff, as well as their veteran players. 21 straight wins is impressive, and I am sure they are salivating at an opportunity to take down some teams from the so-called power conferences in D3. The fact that they are sitting behind Rowan in the regional rankings is laughable.

As far as Arcadia goes, I think you might have been a bit harsh. Yes, their expectations were high, but the reality is they were coming off a season where they were the third best team in the conference, and while they had all starters returning, they had no depth at all. They went 17-9 with five losses to DeSales (0-2) and Stevens (0-3) who are clearly just better teams this year than Arcadia. And for the record, if Watkins was disappointed that a D2 school didn't grab him, he surely did not mail it in this season. A heck of a career for that young man. 

Stretch - The back half of your first paragraph might win the award for "worst aged comments" this year.

1. "21 straight wins is impressive, and I am sure they are salivating at an opportunity to take down some teams from the so-called power conferences in D3". Instead of salivating at an opportunity to take down a team from the NESCAC........they spit up all over themselves and were bludgeoned!!

2. "The fact that they are sitting behind Rowan in the regional rankings is laughable". Desales got slaughtered in the first round by a lower ranked team.......while Rowan is laughing all the way to the Sweet Sixteen, the one that Desales should be at, not Rowan, based on your comment.

Speaking of Desales, the women lose a motherlode, unless Fred can convince them to pay-to-play for a 5th year. I can't wait until this Covid year nonsense is buried once and for all!!
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Augie2020 on March 03, 2024, 11:37:20 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on March 02, 2024, 11:10:15 AM77-51?!?!?!

Did anybody see THAT coming? Seniors Boylan, Barnes & Guldin shot a combined 1-21 and even when adding in Gibbs, they shot 5-33. I never thought that a team this incredibly saavy and veteran would put up a first round showing like this!!

I really thought that this would be the year, with so much senior experience, that Desales would win at least a game or two. I know what the expectations were from those within the program.

It has almost become a pattern. Win the MAC regular season. Lose in the MAC playoffs and lose a first round NCAA Playoff game. Back to the drawing board.
Well they are not the only ones that go  one in done in the NCAA every year ,go a little north Scranton(Mens)team is well known for going one in done in the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on March 04, 2024, 09:15:13 AM
Quote from: Augie2020 on March 03, 2024, 11:37:20 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on March 02, 2024, 11:10:15 AM77-51?!?!?!

Did anybody see THAT coming? Seniors Boylan, Barnes & Guldin shot a combined 1-21 and even when adding in Gibbs, they shot 5-33. I never thought that a team this incredibly saavy and veteran would put up a first round showing like this!!

I really thought that this would be the year, with so much senior experience, that Desales would win at least a game or two. I know what the expectations were from those within the program.

It has almost become a pattern. Win the MAC regular season. Lose in the MAC playoffs and lose a first round NCAA Playoff game. Back to the drawing board.
Well they are not the only ones that go  one in done in the NCAA every year ,go a little north Scranton(Mens)team is well known for going one in done in the tournament.

BUT a lot more was expected out of this year's team given the extreme amount of experience. Several insiders (including thee insider) was really expecting a Sweet Sixteen type of season. I don't remember a Scranton team that was so reliant on seniors, fall in the first round.

I'm pretty sure that Coval would not be consoled if we were to tell him that the Scranton men's team went one and done in the tournament. He'd say, "what does that have to do with my Desales team this year?"
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 04, 2024, 12:51:10 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on March 04, 2024, 09:15:13 AM
Quote from: Augie2020 on March 03, 2024, 11:37:20 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on March 02, 2024, 11:10:15 AM77-51?!?!?!

Did anybody see THAT coming? Seniors Boylan, Barnes & Guldin shot a combined 1-21 and even when adding in Gibbs, they shot 5-33. I never thought that a team this incredibly saavy and veteran would put up a first round showing like this!!

I really thought that this would be the year, with so much senior experience, that Desales would win at least a game or two. I know what the expectations were from those within the program.

It has almost become a pattern. Win the MAC regular season. Lose in the MAC playoffs and lose a first round NCAA Playoff game. Back to the drawing board.
Well they are not the only ones that go  one in done in the NCAA every year ,go a little north Scranton(Mens)team is well known for going one in done in the tournament.

BUT a lot more was expected out of this year's team given the extreme amount of experience. Several insiders (including thee insider) was really expecting a Sweet Sixteen type of season. I don't remember a Scranton team that was so reliant on seniors, fall in the first round.

I'm pretty sure that Coval would not be consoled if we were to tell him that the Scranton men's team went one and done in the tournament. He'd say, "what does that have to do with my Desales team this year?"

Just making conversation, misery loves company, etc.

Coval has had a great career...Entering his 31st year with the Bulldogs, Coval's career record of 546-258 (.679) makes him the all-time winningest men's basketball coach in DeSales history.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: Stretch4 on March 04, 2024, 01:13:57 PM
I have no ties to DeSales, just a lot of respect for Coval and the tremendous program he has built over many years. DeSales performance in the first round of the NCAA's was obviously a huge disappointment. Based on the timing of the regional rankings when I made my comment DeSales clearly had earned a higher regional ranking than Rowan based on the body of work over the course of the season to that point. Rowan got a favorable draw with first round opponent in Carnegie Mellon that many felt should not have been in the NCAA's, and a second round opponent in Catholic that they matched up with very well. Unless I am reading things wrong, it appears that four of DeSales six seniors can return for a 5th year if they desire. Will be interesting to see if/who makes the decision to return.
Title: Re: MBB: MAC Freedom League
Post by: jmcozenlaw on March 05, 2024, 04:16:22 PM
Quote from: Stretch4 on March 04, 2024, 01:13:57 PMI have no ties to DeSales, just a lot of respect for Coval and the tremendous program he has built over many years. DeSales performance in the first round of the NCAA's was obviously a huge disappointment. Based on the timing of the regional rankings when I made my comment DeSales clearly had earned a higher regional ranking than Rowan based on the body of work over the course of the season to that point. Rowan got a favorable draw with first round opponent in Carnegie Mellon that many felt should not have been in the NCAA's, and a second round opponent in Catholic that they matched up with very well. Unless I am reading things wrong, it appears that four of DeSales six seniors can return for a 5th year if they desire. Will be interesting to see if/who makes the decision to return.

I really hope that the seniors move on to grad school, law school or their careers vs. this nutty 5th year thing that thankfully is about to end.