BB: General West Region Discussion

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CrashDavisD3

Quote from: infielddad on June 15, 2010, 01:52:12 PM
How in the heck does Evan Jones of Trinity, TX, not make 1st team All West Region with these numbers?

Evan Jones..........  .480  40-40   148  53  71  14   2  13  67  128  .865  37   6  17   1  .579   6   0   4-6

Very good observation and question. Taking nothing away from the great seasons for the players listed had.

Every year it always seems that choices with named ALL teams..All Tournament, All Conference, All Region, All American, Gold Gloves etc..It always happens that someone with superior numbers is left off or omitted for what ever reasons.  :(

Since most of teams are chosen by those with very limited chances to see the players actually play, the numbers should be the primary and deciding factor in choosing these teams. The person with the better numbers should get the nod over someone with lesser numbers every time.

It will be very easy to assign points to each category used and to objectively award this based upon performance and not the subjective views of the few which seems their votes override the actual performance numbers. Other personal views should not be considered.

For the most part these end of year honors are nice but it is usually the parents, fans, relatives that care much more than the player.
This... is a simple game. You throw the ball. You hit the ball. You catch the ball.  "There are three types of baseball players: those who make things happen, those who watch it happen, and those who wonder what happened."
Crash Davis Bio - http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/minors/crash0908.html

CrashDavisD3

2011 West Regional

Where will it be

1) Linfield College in McMinnville, Oregon
2) Chapman University in Orange, California
3) McMurry University in Abilene, Texas
4) Concordia-Texas in Austin, Texas
5) Some other place 
This... is a simple game. You throw the ball. You hit the ball. You catch the ball.  "There are three types of baseball players: those who make things happen, those who watch it happen, and those who wonder what happened."
Crash Davis Bio - http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/minors/crash0908.html

CrashDavisD3

#17
With school starting now, how does 2011 look for teams in the West ?  ???

Where could the regional be held ?

Who will be the top teams in the West ?

Can Chapman return to Appleton after missing in 2010 ?

Chapman will need to replace 5 seniors, 4 of them starters, all position players.
(OF, 1B, 3B, C). Chapman has 4 of its top 9 hitters returning including 3 players that made the All-Independent team.

Chapman returns 8 of 10 pitchers including all starters including National Collegiate Baseball Writers Association freshman pitcher Brian Rauh its NCAA Division III Pitcher of the Year. If everyone stays healthy they will be very very deep in pitching. The staff were in the top 10 with one the lowest team ERA's in the nation.

Like always Chapman will have top recruits coming in and experienced returning players ready to step right in to fill those open spots.

It will be interesting to see how they bounce back after not going to Appleton for the 1st time in 5 years.
This... is a simple game. You throw the ball. You hit the ball. You catch the ball.  "There are three types of baseball players: those who make things happen, those who watch it happen, and those who wonder what happened."
Crash Davis Bio - http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/minors/crash0908.html

GridironChris

Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on August 30, 2010, 03:01:18 PM
With school starting now, how does 2011 look for teams in the West ?  ???

Where could the regional be held ?

Who will be the top teams in the West ?

Can Chapman return to Appleton after missing in 2010 ?

Chapman will need to replace 5 seniors, 4 of them starters, all position players.
(OF, 1B, 3B, C)

Chapman returns it's entire pitching staff including 1st team All-American Raul and should be deep pitching wise.

Like always Chapman will have top recruits coming in and experienced returning players ready to step right in to fill those open spots. It will be interesting to see how they bounce back after not going to Appleton for the 1st time in 5 years.

Mississippi College will be loaded again. The lineup, particularly the first 6-7, will be about as good as anyone. They brought in 3-4 huge transfer bats to go with 5-6 solid returners. The pitching staff lost Tyler Seaman, but returns everyone else. And the new crop of pitchers on paper is better than last year group.

You never know how leadership and chemistry will develop, but they have an awful lot to work with. The coaching staff has been in place for four years now, and the program keeps building . Last year's season helped them bring in a group of transfers that look great on paper They are a top 10 preseason team IMO.

El Hombre

Gridiron Chris -
Nice update on Mississippi College!  It appears they will be very strong again this year.  They has such a great year last year.   It was just a shame that the NCAA would need to force a team like MC to travel all the way to Oregon to play in a regional that was stacked with 6 of the best teams in the entire country.  I think all these teams were nationally ranked.  MC probably would have won any other regional last year has they been allowed to play in a region close to home or at least their same time zone!  The NCAA needs to balance this out. They do it for basketball - why not baseball?

GridironChris

Quote from: El Hombre on September 24, 2010, 12:46:57 PM
Gridiron Chris -
Nice update on Mississippi College!  It appears they will be very strong again this year.  They has such a great year last year.   It was just a shame that the NCAA would need to force a team like MC to travel all the way to Oregon to play in a regional that was stacked with 6 of the best teams in the entire country.  I think all these teams were nationally ranked.  MC probably would have won any other regional last year has they been allowed to play in a region close to home or at least their same time zone!  The NCAA needs to balance this out. They do it for basketball - why not baseball?

I was fortunate to see that regional, and it was loaded top to bottom. It's a shame they can't spread the tournament out more, you could make an argument that every team would have had a shot to win some of the other obvious weaker regionals. In MC's case, it was an impressive performance getting to the championship game, but particularly considering they were playing without their #2 and #3 starting pitchers. Linfield was a great team though, and a great host despite terrible playing conditions. They deserved to win it.

MC will make another run this year. I'm anxious to see some of the new players that everyone's talking about.

CrashDavisD3

I was also present at that regional...Horrible weather with great teams in the tournament. Any of the teams could have won another regional if they were not all stacked into 1 Regional.

NCAA had the opportunity to move at least 2 of teams to another regional and chose not to. They also could have moved the regional to a better weather area but also chose not to...

Linfield was a great team in 2010 and has a great facility also...BUT weather outside their control due put a damper on the event.

MC should have a great year in 2011 and other teams also will be ready to rebound along with Linfield being a new power in the West...

MC should be placed in the South Regional not the WEST....one of the 2 Texas or more Eastern teams should also be placed into another Regional....

The West Region continues to lose teams with Menlo, Cal State East Bay and La Sierra that have all left.

Doe this mean more teams from other regions could be included in the West Region.

Personally I believe the best teams in the nation should be spread across the 8 regions.
This... is a simple game. You throw the ball. You hit the ball. You catch the ball.  "There are three types of baseball players: those who make things happen, those who watch it happen, and those who wonder what happened."
Crash Davis Bio - http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/minors/crash0908.html

Ralph Turner

#22
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on September 25, 2010, 07:41:45 PM
I was also present at that regional...Horrible weather with great teams in the tournament. Any of the teams could have won another regional if they were not all stacked into 1 Regional.

NCAA had the opportunity to move at least 2 of teams to another regional and chose not to. They also could have moved the regional to a better weather area but also chose not to...

Linfield was a great team in 2010 and has a great facility also...BUT weather outside their control due put a damper on the event.

MC should have a great year in 2011 and other teams also will be ready to rebound along with Linfield being a new power in the West...

MC should be placed in the South Regional not the WEST....one of the 2 Texas or more Eastern teams should also be placed into another Regional....

The West Region continues to lose teams with Menlo, Cal State East Bay and La Sierra that have all left.

Doe this mean more teams from other regions could be included in the West Region.

Personally I believe the best teams in the nation should be spread across the 8 regions.
The NCAA is not likely to reassign another conference into the West Region.

Look at the neighboring regions.  The Midwest is solidly build around the Minnesota/Iowa area.  

There are no more teams to move!

The playoffs are set such that you have to have a bunch of 8-team brackets and a few left over brackets of 6 or 7.  The West is likely to be a 6-team Regional for the near future.  You have to fly the teams somewhere.  There are only 3 Pool A bids and almost always a Pool B.  You have to fly Pool C bids into there.

As a matter of fact, the closest geographical regional had Finalist Illinois Wesleyan in it.  Perhaps Miss College would not have won that regional.

CrashDavisD3

With the West Region shrinking to 38 teams and SCAC increasing by 1 team in the West Region IMO I believe future West Regionals will look like this

6 teams

ASC - Pool A
NWC - Pool A
SCAC - Pool A
SCIAC - Pool A

That will leave 2 spots to be filled by teams from Pool B(Chapman) or Pool C(ASC, NWC, SCAC,SCIAC)

I think this will benefit the ASC since they will have close to 40% of the teams in the West and they should get at least 2 teams in IMO. This would leave a dogfight for that last spot between Pool B(Chapman) and the remaining Pool C(NWC, SCIAC and SCAC)..Chapman task to get into the playoffs gets more difficult with the shrinking Pool B and the shrinking total  teams in the West and the only remaining Pool B and Independent in the West.
This... is a simple game. You throw the ball. You hit the ball. You catch the ball.  "There are three types of baseball players: those who make things happen, those who watch it happen, and those who wonder what happened."
Crash Davis Bio - http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/minors/crash0908.html

Ralph Turner

Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on September 26, 2010, 07:31:56 PM
With the West Region shrinking to 38 teams and SCAC increasing by 1 team in the West Region IMO I believe future West Regionals will look like this

6 teams

ASC - Pool A
NWC - Pool A
SCAC - Pool A
SCIAC - Pool A

That will leave 2 spots to be filled by teams from Pool B(Chapman) or Pool C(ASC, NWC, SCAC,SCIAC)

I think this will benefit the ASC since they will have close to 40% of the teams in the West and they should get at least 2 teams in IMO. This would leave a dogfight for that last spot between Pool B(Chapman) and the remaining Pool C(NWC, SCIAC and SCAC)..Chapman task to get into the playoffs gets more difficult with the shrinking Pool B and the shrinking total  teams in the West and the only remaining Pool B and Independent in the West.
Pool C bids are awarded nationally on rankings generated regionally.

The West is not guaranteed 2 Pool C bids. I think that the quality of play in the West naturally favor the West.

If a SCAC-East team wins the SCAC, then they might sent to a closer regional. Centre to the Mideast?  Oglethorpe to the South Region?

:)

CrashDavisD3

As you said Pool B and Pool C will be filled nationally..

ASC, NWC, SCIAC all will be the Pool A's(3)

So the remaining spots must be filled by Pool A, B, C...

If there is 4th Pool A in the West it will come from the SCAC as it has in past years. If not the West will get 2 Pool C bids and maybe 3 if no Pool B

Do you feel that the West would not be filled with West teams from Pool B/C..

Have they ever in recent years ever fill the West with teams from another region.

This... is a simple game. You throw the ball. You hit the ball. You catch the ball.  "There are three types of baseball players: those who make things happen, those who watch it happen, and those who wonder what happened."
Crash Davis Bio - http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/minors/crash0908.html

Ralph Turner

Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on September 26, 2010, 08:15:19 PM
As you said Pool B and Pool C will be filled nationally..

ASC, NWC, SCIAC all will be the Pool A's(3)

So the remaining spots must be filled by Pool A, B, C...

If there is 4th Pool A in the West it will come from the SCAC as it has in past years. If not the West will get 2 Pool C bids and maybe 3 if no Pool B

Do you feel that the West would not be filled with West teams from Pool B/C..

Have they ever in recent years ever fill the West with teams from another region.
I don't remember a non-West Region team being sent to a West Regional bracket.

CrashDavisD3

Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 26, 2010, 08:50:23 PM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on September 26, 2010, 08:15:19 PM
As you said Pool B and Pool C will be filled nationally..

ASC, NWC, SCIAC all will be the Pool A's(3)

So the remaining spots must be filled by Pool A, B, C...

If there is 4th Pool A in the West it will come from the SCAC as it has in past years. If not the West will get 2 Pool C bids and maybe 3 if no Pool B

Do you feel that the West would not be filled with West teams from Pool B/C..

Have they ever in recent years ever fill the West with teams from another region.
I don't remember a non-West Region team being sent to a West Regional bracket.
Thanks Ralph I knew you would know..

Thank makes it simple then
4 teams SCAC, SCIAC, ASC, NWC

Pool B/Pool C fill the last 2 as always from(SCAC, SCIAC, ASC, NWC, IND)...  5 teams competing for 2 spots I bet.
This... is a simple game. You throw the ball. You hit the ball. You catch the ball.  "There are three types of baseball players: those who make things happen, those who watch it happen, and those who wonder what happened."
Crash Davis Bio - http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/minors/crash0908.html

Ralph Turner

Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on September 26, 2010, 10:35:03 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 26, 2010, 08:50:23 PM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on September 26, 2010, 08:15:19 PM
As you said Pool B and Pool C will be filled nationally..

ASC, NWC, SCIAC all will be the Pool A's(3)

So the remaining spots must be filled by Pool A, B, C...

If there is 4th Pool A in the West it will come from the SCAC as it has in past years. If not the West will get 2 Pool C bids and maybe 3 if no Pool B

Do you feel that the West would not be filled with West teams from Pool B/C..

Have they ever in recent years ever fill the West with teams from another region.
I don't remember a non-West Region team being sent to a West Regional bracket.
Thanks Ralph I knew you would know..

Thank makes it simple then
4 teams SCAC, SCIAC, ASC, NWC

Pool B/Pool C fill the last 2 as always from(SCAC, SCIAC, ASC, NWC, IND)...  5 teams competing for 2 spots I bet.
Linfield got sent to the Central in 2008, and there was a 6-team bracket in Abilene from West Region teams.

CrashDavisD3

PRESEASON POLL West Region Teams
Rank    TEAM RECORD POINTS
12. Linfield, OR    37-13    227
14. Chapman, CA    31-11    222
15. Mississippi College    39-11    219
17. Pomona-Pitzer, CA    31-11    214
19. Trinity, TX    32-9    209
20. Texas-Tyler    36-12    206
27. Pacific Lutheran, WA    30-10    188
Other Top Teams:
Cal. Lutheran (27-13), Redlands, CA (29-11)
Source: Collegiate Baseball newspaper

It looks like teams with 30 and less wins have a difficult time making the West Region 6 team playoffs unless they win their conference. Pac-Lu, Cal Lu, Redlands missed the playoffs in 2010 and all did not win their conference.
This... is a simple game. You throw the ball. You hit the ball. You catch the ball.  "There are three types of baseball players: those who make things happen, those who watch it happen, and those who wonder what happened."
Crash Davis Bio - http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/minors/crash0908.html