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Title: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: admin on August 16, 2005, 05:07:35 am
This is the new home of SCAC discussion. Welcome aboard, everyone.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on August 16, 2005, 05:32:46 am
The 2005 SCAC Football Preview is now online.

http://www.scac-online.org/football
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 16, 2005, 09:25:24 am
OK, looks like everything is working OK.  Now I have to read the FAQ ...  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on August 16, 2005, 12:39:41 pm
Pat,
   Looks great !!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 16, 2005, 01:58:32 pm
OK, I don't remember seeing "karma" as an attribute earlier today.  Pray tell, how does one attain enlightenment ??
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on August 16, 2005, 02:53:24 pm
Ex-major and I think it was consultant were Kappa Sigs at Millsaps.  One of you wanted to know who my friend was because he might have been your frat buddy.  He lives and works here in New Orleans after having graduated in 1999 from the 5th year accounting program.  Maybe if he knew his buddies were going to be at some of the games, he would be willing to come with me this fall should I be able to make it for one.  I'm interested to see what the new coaches are doing. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 16, 2005, 03:22:28 pm
Pat,

Just curious, will you autoroll old posts off as you did with the old software?  I see some value in being able to go back in history but the thought of having to go to page 74 of a discussion doesn't excite.  Then again, I could change my default order to "most recent post first" if you're not planning to roll the old posts off.   

And, have you considered having a separate topic for dumb questions like these??  It might save you having to answer the same questions over and over again. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 16, 2005, 04:03:13 pm
Questions, questions ...

Posts won't scroll in the same way. You can get to the most recent posts by clicking on the number of the latest page next to the conference's name,
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tu_lb53 on August 16, 2005, 04:57:19 pm
Looks nice - looking forward to this season

While I'm here, does anyone have the scoop on the D this year for Trinity? I've been out of town for a while, haven't talked to anyone on the team.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on August 16, 2005, 09:32:10 pm
tu_lb53,
Mike Inco is the new Def. Coord. and the early workouts seem to be going well; my thinking is that after a week or two the "Black Flag" will be back. There is a scrimmage vs. Monterrey Tech (who else?) on Aug. 27th, 10 a.m., Stevens Stadium. Be there!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DesertLynx on August 17, 2005, 02:08:37 am
you this is me, Radio check over!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 17, 2005, 02:30:06 am
The text has to go inside those little codes in order to have an effect.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DesertLynx on August 17, 2005, 04:32:02 am
[like this?glow=red,2,300][/glow]
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DesertLynx on August 17, 2005, 04:33:05 am
or this?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DesertLynx on August 17, 2005, 04:34:31 am
Coach R ,

What are you hearing out of memphis? 

DL
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LynxBC62 on August 17, 2005, 09:56:03 am
DesertLynx,
I'm hearing all systems go in Memphis. All returners are healthy and team morale is high. Freshmen are looking good and ready to contribute. I've been in touch with some of the guys and I'm getting nothing but positive reports back. I'll let you know if I hear anything else.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on August 17, 2005, 09:57:48 am

Can anyone tell me how to get a team logo up along with my post?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: alphamale64 on August 17, 2005, 10:11:13 am
I just found this message board since D3football put up the article on their main page.  Just wanted to say hello.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 17, 2005, 10:29:21 am

Can anyone tell me how to get a team logo up along with my post?


Unfortunately, this software seems to lack the ability to upload jpg's/gifs from your desktop (or the option has not been enabled).  Another option is to put the team logo in your signature, but that's a little more complicated. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 17, 2005, 10:49:37 am
Desert Lynx, like your second one.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coachr on August 17, 2005, 10:51:33 am
Desert Lynx,
I haven't talked to my son the last couple of days but I'll call him today to see how everything is going. He did mention that he thought they were looking pretty good, but he also said how much can you tell ins shorts and helmets. The 2005 season review is on the Rhodes and SCAC website, I was real proud of him, he got most of the press in the review. If you read it, he is the linebacker that led the SCAC in tackles last year. I'll talk to him later today and get a report.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on August 17, 2005, 11:37:33 am
BfB,,, when's your first "Around the South Region" due?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coachr on August 17, 2005, 12:08:00 pm
LynxBC62

Just wanted to say hi to a fellow supporter. Sounds like you live up in Memphis. Are you a ex player or do you have a son on the team? If you go to the games I've probably met you.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DesertLynx on August 17, 2005, 01:00:01 pm
Coach R and LynxBC

Yes I also have a son on the team but communication is kind of difficult here, and I know he is getting his tail run off from sun up to sun down.  So he has virtually no time to contact me.   He did tell his mother that he likes his teammates and coaches.  So that is positive when you are in a new environment.  He too sounded optimistic about how things were going.  I am just down right  EXCITED and wish SEPT 3 would hurry up!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on August 17, 2005, 01:11:34 pm
BfB, looking forward to reading what you might have to say about the Tigers in 2005.  Any insights on the coming season?  Just found this forum and registered today.  Was a Texas HS 1A fan, but moved up to D-III this season!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on August 17, 2005, 03:22:29 pm
May want to clarify, because the Dannies...er...DePauw are the Tigers as well. Oh, yeah, they'd have to have posters to be a factor... :o :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DanSwan on August 17, 2005, 03:53:28 pm
This is the most Lynx talk this board has ever seen.
Hopefully, the team is working hard because there is a great deal of work to be done.

LynxBC, hopefully I'll see you for a game in Germany.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LynxBC62 on August 17, 2005, 04:02:40 pm
CoachR,
I graduated last year, so I played right in front of your son for a couple of years and am still keeping in touch with a lot of the guys. I am not in Memphis, but I keep getting positive feedback from them, so that's encouraging. Swan, I agree, good to see a lot of Lynx talk on the board and there is some work to do in Memphis. I'll try to get out of Ireland and make it to Germany before too long.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 17, 2005, 04:10:29 pm
BfB,,, when's your first "Around the South Region" due?

HM, I would not expect ATRs to show up until the first week of the season (e.g. sometime around August 30).  Pat will correct me if I'm wrong.  The Kickoff Edition (http://www.d3football.com/kickoff/) will do most of what the first column of the season did, and more.  We'll still have something, but the Kickoff will cover angles we could only dream of.   

Tigerdad, welcome.  It's a bit early and I don't have much more insight than anyone else at this point.  There are questions all over the conference.  DePauw, Rhodes, Millsaps, and maybe Centre could all be in the mix if things break right this year.  Trinity is the favorite at this point.  The offense is in generally good shape if Jacob Cannon delivers at QB, and the new WRs catch on; having two strong returning RBs (Jones and Valencia) will help.  The defense is inexperienced in the backfield and will have to develop early.  TLU has a good passing attack and should give them a workout in week 2. 

For those wondering:  this is my preliminary schedule for game coverage this year:


I would like to take in one other ASC contest, and IIRC for the first time in D3football.com history a SCAC tilt not involving Trinity.  Games at Rhodes would be the most likely, followed by games at Millsaps or DePauw.  In either case, the game would need to be significant in terms of the conference and/or the region.   But for me to get to a SCAC game in those areas, I absolutely will have to be able to find a cheap airfare, not the easiest thing to do.  Rhodes is the only school in theoretical driving distance, but 400 miles with two-thirds of that on Arkansas interstates doesn't sound like my idea of fun. 

Of course, if someone out there has millions of frequent-flyer miles burning a hole in their pocket, let's talk  :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 17, 2005, 04:21:31 pm
We're going to do something different with the preseason ATRs this year, something that doesn't parrot the Kickoff yet is hopefully fun for both the writers and readers.

And I apologize I haven't communicated that yet to the writers.  :-\
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coachr on August 17, 2005, 06:26:05 pm
LynxBC62 & DanSwan

How did your knee operation go for you. I hope everything went fine. Ya'll keep me posted on Germany, I am interested on how things go. Good Luck. Hopefully you can get to Memphis for a game. LynxBC62, will your parents go to any games thisyear? I enjoyed them and your Dad's enthusiasm. Tailgating was a lot of fun. #33 still doesn't talk much, but I think he feels they might be able to play with the good ones this year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on August 17, 2005, 08:36:48 pm
Bonzo,
What about Trinity at Rhodes, Oct. 29th, 1:30 p.m.?That will allow you to KILL "two birds" with one stone (or football); I expect the Tigers will be doing the Lynx in though.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 17, 2005, 09:03:51 pm
Bonzo,
What about Trinity at Rhodes, Oct. 29th, 1:30 p.m.?  That will allow you to KILL "two birds" with one stone (or football) ...

A good idea, ETG, except I really would like to give someone else in the SCAC some press this year.  If Trinity wins the conference they will have at least three games covered this year.   If I am going to be the "South Region" columnist, I should see some games besides those in my home state once in a while ...

We'll just have to see how the season progresses. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gil68 on August 17, 2005, 10:57:04 pm
Anyone hear any news out of DePauw camp about how the Tigers doing?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coachr on August 17, 2005, 11:22:19 pm
I certainly give Trinity all the respect in the world, but I do recall they did have a big L the last time they played in Memphis. I do not think this year the kids in Red and black are going to give in to anybody. Their captians this year will not allow it. But all props to Trinity, they have earned the most respect in the conference, that is what happens, when you become the king, everyone is tryning to knock you off so there can be a new "Long live the king"
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on August 18, 2005, 11:02:06 am
Trying my first post on the new board. Looks good but will take getting used to. Had to reregister so I doubt my post count came over but I didn't have that many posts to worry about anyway. I know Huntingdon is an independent but since we play so many SCAC teams I feel more comfortable posting here than the ACFC board.
Looks like a couple of key people didn't make it back but the main playmakers of Colson, Godwin and Golson are all back and ready to go. Hopefully somebody will step up and give us some kind of running game. Article doesn't say much about the defense so don't know yet if there's anyone to help improve that lousy run defense from last year.


http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050818/SPORTS/508180365/1002

Go Hawks!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DesertLynx on August 18, 2005, 01:28:28 pm
Coach R,

What is the good word?  Any news from practice?

DL
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coachr on August 18, 2005, 06:10:24 pm
He doesn't want to talk, he asked me why I was asking so many questions about the team, when I told him that there were people on this board that may not have the ability to keep up with everything, he didn't want me posting stuff because he doesn't want other teams to know what's going on. But the bottom line is he thinks they will be good this year, he said the new QB is doing very well, and the defense is ahead of last year. He is quitely optimistic about this year, the only question mark is the O-Line.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on August 18, 2005, 07:46:14 pm
coachr,
"The kids in Red and Black are not going to give in to anybody"; get real?

gil,
"DePauw never quits" what; loosing to Trinity?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tu_lb53 on August 18, 2005, 08:19:58 pm
coachr, don't remind me about that game, please

etg - I'd love to make the scrimmage (and some practices) but I don't get a lot of free time out here (Pensacola) and certainly not a free weekend. I'm hoping to make at least one game this year, but we'll see.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DesertLynx on August 19, 2005, 01:44:48 am
Coach R,

That is understandable, I don't want to mess with their Karma. 

DL
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on August 19, 2005, 09:26:53 am
Pat, nice pic of Kelner!  If the Jake and Blake show hit their stride early this year he could put up some outrageous numbers! 

Let me know how the TU faithful participate in your "Kickoff",,, I predict big numbers!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldrosie on August 19, 2005, 11:04:38 am
 
.....RHIT FAN CHECKING IN .....

Nice Board Pat ,another job well done!!

    I thought the season would never come and now its just around the corner.
Congrats to RHIT's Brett Bueltel being named a preseason first-team All-American in the 2005 Street & Smith's College Football Yearbook. I'm not sure
how this group found RHIT but hey he's the only SCAC player selected to the Street & Smith's preseason All-America team.
   The pre-season look at RHIT shows 15 returning starters (7 on O ) (8 on D).
Looks like the Qb situation has been decided and with 4 experienced players
returning to the O-Line and the entire starting backfield returning the O should
be able to make some noise this season. The O-Line will be the X-Factor in the
offense if their experience pays off the one half of good play from last season
should turn in to a solid 4 quarters this season and hopefully more wins.
    The Defense will be strong again with 8 starters returning. No doubt  Vieck,
Jackson and Harrison will be missed, but this group seems to be the deepest on the team with returning experience and should be able to fill the gaps. Hope is
with a new D-coordinator and less field time (Offense burning up some time compared to last season) should result in a full four quarters of solid play and to more wins.
   This being RHIT's last season in the SCAC it sure would be nice to see RHIT...
Trip up - Trinity
Decapitate - DePauw
Ravage - Rhodes
Swamp - Sewanee
Confound - Centre
Mash - Millsaps

Wishing all a competitive injury free season !!






Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gil68 on August 19, 2005, 11:59:02 am
etg,

A "DePauw never quits" banner hung in the locker room from before I arrived at Depauw, and I'm sure it hung there after I graduated.  DePauw doesn't give up in the off-season, in practice, or in games.

To quote Coach Nick, "Be persistent. 'DePauw never quits' is the motto of our athletic department. Despite the best conditioning, long hours and positive work ethic of DePauw athletes, our teams do lose contests. But the athletes persist. Success does come again. That's Tiger Pride."

That while Depauw does have set backs, what matters most is what the Tigers do after those setbacks.  They continue to prepare, and play hard, and they don't give up.  That I think is the real lesson, that while DePauw has had no success in beating Trinity, Trinity is always in for a game against DePauw.

I guess one thing DePauw never quits on is using correct spelling.  If you look at your previous post, you say "loosing" where it should say "losing". Just thought I would throw in that little stab for fun, as I can only assume you meant your post in good humor.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: abnrgr on August 19, 2005, 01:46:40 pm
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Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coachr on August 19, 2005, 02:57:33 pm
Hawks88

I have a question about Huntingdon's field. I live in B'ham so the game they play Rhodes will be a very nice short trip for me. My mother has never seen my son play, but she is in a wheelchair. I was wondering if their field is condusive to accommodating someone in a wheelchair or would it be best not to invite her down for that game? thanks.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on August 19, 2005, 04:56:36 pm
coachr

The bleachers on the home side has a ramp and there is room for someone in a wheechair to sit at the bottom. I haven't been through Montgomery for several months so I am not sure yet how the visitors' side will be configured. Last year it was basically a temporary structure with a press box and a couple of small sets of bleachers. If it is set up the same way this year, there is plenty of room to bring some lawn chairs and sit with someone in a wheelchair as long as there hasn't been too much rain and it is dry. Last year though there was enough room on the home side that for the most part the visiting fans were able to sit together on the home side bleachers without any problems. They have a scrimmage tomorrow that I am planning on going to so I will be able to better tell about the visitors' side.
I hope you and your mother are able to make it to the game. Shoot me an email when you know for sure you are coming and I will try to look you up at the game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coachr on August 19, 2005, 07:04:25 pm
Hawks88

Hey thanks for the info, I greatly appreciate it. It sounds like she can go, it doesn't matter to me which side I sit on, I keep my vocal input under my breath. I will definetly shoot you an email, if nothing else to find out the good places to park for tailgating. I past the exit for Huntingdon on my way to an account in Mobile last week, I think it was exit 170. That will be the shortest drive in all my son's 4 years, I'm looking forward to it. I had a neighbor whose son played baseball for Huntingdon, I think he graduated about 2 years ago or so.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: theone on August 19, 2005, 10:05:39 pm
does anyone have a prediction on the wesley vs depauw game.

wesley 31
depauw 13
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on August 20, 2005, 09:38:24 am
Great picture of Kelner.  I've watched him play for years, high school and college.  What a great player and competitor.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: B/L Tiger on August 21, 2005, 06:47:07 pm
Did anybody else happen to attend the TU scrimmage yesterday?  And if so, thoughts?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 22, 2005, 12:11:02 pm
At least according to this Express-News article (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/stories/MYSA082105.08C.FBC_localnotes.31b82e6.html):

Trinity coach Steve Mohr said "a battle is brewing" between junior Jacob Cannon and sophomore Blake Barmore for the Tigers' starting quarterback job.

But Mohr said Cannon, from Spring, is No. 1 on the depth chart.


Also noted:  FY Chris Baer has moved up to #3 at RB behind Jerrold Jones and Ray Valencia. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on August 22, 2005, 10:19:39 pm
whats the word at Depauw these days...any insight into the new coaching philosophy...your thoughts...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: shane falco on August 22, 2005, 10:35:24 pm
Urban probably just got himself cut with that dropped td pass.  It's unfortunate because he's played really well up to that point.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tu_lb53 on August 22, 2005, 10:51:08 pm
I cringed when I saw that, but in the replay I saw the DB just barely tip it, enough to knock that high-velocity pass just out of his hands, which makes sense - I don't think I've ever seen him just drop a ball like that.

He's had a good game other than that, and I think (maybe hope is a better choice of words) he'll pull through.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on August 23, 2005, 09:14:00 am
just testing, have not posted yet to the new board

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Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on August 23, 2005, 09:20:38 am
Ok, Bedtime, tell me again how to get a logo into the message.  I have to find a picture that is on a website?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 23, 2005, 09:30:51 am
Yep.  Then you go into profile (top of screen) -> Forum-related profile information (left menu bar), select "I have my own pic" and type in the URL.

I made this offer on one of the other boards, if you have a .jpg or a .gif and don't want the hassle of finding a hosting service, e-mail it to me (click on my profile for the e-mail address) and I'll put it up.  I have around a gigabyte of storage I'm not using for anything. 

Too bad about Urban dropping another pass in a game situation.  The reports from Seattle are that five of the six WR spots are locked up, so he's one of five or six WRs fighting for the last one.   Good luck to him ... I hope that he might get a shot with another team if Seattle cuts him, but that's a bit of a stretch.

BTW, I have created a poll on which South Region conference will have its rep go deepest in the playoffs.  Get out there and vote for your choice!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on August 23, 2005, 11:24:21 am
Majors have their Purple and White scrimmage this Saturday.  Should know more about the starters and the team at that point.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 24, 2005, 09:12:33 am
The board sure has been quiet since yesterday afternoon.  I wonder why  :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on August 24, 2005, 11:47:11 am
The drop that Jerheme suffered on the slant over the middle was very uncharacteristic.... the 'dropped' touchdown was tipped and would have been a miraculous catch, had he been able to control it.  I still hope that his hard work and the character and work ethic that he has shown will land him a spot on someone's roster even if it isn't Seattle.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on August 24, 2005, 07:36:51 pm
FYI, Re: Don Hansen's Gazette
      NCAA Division III---August 2005 Pre-Season Rankings  (Top 40)
      Trinity (Texas)---#14
      No other SCAC members are rated in 1-40. ???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on August 24, 2005, 07:48:18 pm
nothing out of Depauw these days...third coach in 3 years...any comments...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 24, 2005, 07:54:07 pm
nothing out of Depauw these days...third coach in 3 years...any comments...

Ask us after the opener vs. Wesley.  That should be a pretty good indicator of how things will go.  If Lynch had stayed, DePauw would have been a solid favorite, but a lot of unknowns this year.  Wesley doesn't often travel as far as Indiana, which should help the Tigers. 

DPU has the pieces to be a solid team this year.  It's all in how they get assembled. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on August 24, 2005, 10:08:44 pm
ETG... Who else did you expect?  I think TU could have gotten a little more respect.  9-2,,, losing to eventual runner-up in D3 and powerhouse in NAIA... come on...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: B/L Tiger on August 25, 2005, 01:59:23 am
I discussed the same topic with some players recently and they appear unaffected as the coaches should teach them not to be.  I've been told that the defense plans to be more aggresive than in years past, something I wished for in my day.  The players I know have ben speaking praises of the new format the Black Flag has taken.  From what I saw at the intersquad scrimmage the offense pretty well passed and ran as they have in the past few years and were able to make the defense stumble a little more than I have seen in summer camps in the past.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on August 25, 2005, 08:10:01 pm
History,
I really expected that DPU would at least be in the Top 40 ???
Regarding TU's ranking; #14 may be too low, but I just can't bring myself to believe that the Tigers are in the Top 10 yet? I do think that if they make the right QB selection, in time they can be well towards the top of the Top 10!

B/L,
At the workout this afternoon, per your comments, the Black Flag really got into the middle of the Tiger O (they were impressive). The QB race is heating up; it will absolutely take the right choice to make the Tigers a top team. IMHO, with all other things being equal and when in doubt "start" with the  :-\ guy. Maybe the Monterrey Tech scrimmage (Saturday) will help the coaches "size-up" this issue?     

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tu_lb53 on August 25, 2005, 09:22:14 pm
Swinny, what's the starting lineup looking like for the D?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 26, 2005, 10:08:01 am
History,
I really expected that DPU would at least be in the Top 40 ???
Regarding TU's ranking; #14 may be too low, but I just can't bring myself to believe that the Tigers are in the Top 10 yet? I do think that if they make the right QB selection, in time they can be well towards the top of the Top 10!

DePauw needs that signature win (against guess who) to get the respect they deserve in the polls.   A win in the opener would be a good start, tho.

I got a call from my brother in SA yesterday who said that some poll/ranking printed in yesterday's E-N had Trinity ranked #6.  Anyone see that, or did my brother see some other Trinity in another division and get confused?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on August 26, 2005, 12:17:19 pm
Interesting news out of Millsaps.....but nothing more than interesting.

Check out this link to the Jackson Clarion-Ledger

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050826/NEWS01/508260365/1002

This has been in the works for months.....and Millsaps was finally able to get all the information they needed to make it happen. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 26, 2005, 01:09:36 pm
DePauw needs to have the same coach two years in a row, too.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on August 26, 2005, 02:21:09 pm
Pat, didnt Ashland have a player in his 50's a while back...also, i think Depauw took a big hit in recruiting this year and he best stay for a while...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 26, 2005, 02:51:03 pm
Pat, didnt Ashland have a player in his 50's a while back...also, i think Depauw took a big hit in recruiting this year and he best stay for a while...

DPU lists 104 players on their roster (including 35 FYs),  a decent number for a SCAC school.   

Interesting that only 35 of the other 69 are letterwinners from previous seasons ... so depth will likely be an issue.  Also interesting that four FYs (and one soph) are from a single school in St. Louis, Chaminade Prep. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on August 26, 2005, 03:06:40 pm
to clarify my recruiting comment, Coach Lynch was very strong in Indiana from his years in the state...i agree 35 is respectable if its the right 35...also,is Chaminade Prep a power in the St Louis area?...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 26, 2005, 03:46:16 pm
Is Chaminade Prep a power in the St Louis area?...

Hopefully someone can answer that, I have no clue.

Here are the respective roster details for SCAC schools, btw:

SchoolFYSoJrSrTot
Centre1924132480
DePauw35252222104
Millsaps5018111089
Rhodes252513972
Rose-Hulman3224101682
Sewanee1212121349
Trinity46331922120
[/b]

Also interesting:  what %age of the freshman class are football players?


SchoolFY classFY FBers%age
Centre300196.3%
DePauw617355.7%
Millsaps400e5012.5%
Rhodes446255.6%
Rose-Hulman470326.8%
Sewanee424122.8%
Trinity675466.8%
[/b]

Observations:
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on August 26, 2005, 04:02:29 pm
Any way to find out what % of FY MALES are football players?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 26, 2005, 04:23:12 pm
The school sites didn't break down the m/f ratios.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on August 26, 2005, 04:29:47 pm
Wabash would be easy to figure...had to get that in esp with the Depauw folks...great rivalry...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldrosie on August 26, 2005, 05:01:03 pm
Just a note on the Chaminade Red Devils question...

Chaminade Red Devils
425 South Lindbergh
St. Louis, MO 63131-2799

Metro Catholic CONFERENCE
 
School      League     Overall      PF-PA   
 
DeSmet       4-0      10-1      352-163      
SLUH       3-1        7-3      234-136      
CBC       2-2        8-3      227-137      
Chaminade  1-3        3-7      152-222      
Vianney       0-4        2-8      127-247

Last year  3-7 as you can see ,but they have sent
players to the Big Ten so there must be some talent rolling
through the halls at times.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on August 26, 2005, 05:04:23 pm
obviously not a powerhouse...ive always been partial to players that come from winning programs but you never know...5 from the same school is interesting...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on August 26, 2005, 06:50:22 pm
Bonzo,
The #6 ranking in the SAEN was for the Tiger women in Pre-season DIII Volleyball. They are probably better than that; the season starts next Friday.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on August 26, 2005, 07:59:24 pm
BFB,
  Where did you get the figures for Millsaps?  I'm curious to know and I don't fault you at all....but Millsaps has never in the history of the school had a FY class of 400, and they were no where close this year.

On another note, I'm going to have a look at the Majors' Purple and White scrimmage tomorrow....should be interesting.....particularly since their projected starting QB is likely out for several weeks with a shoulder injury.  We'll see if that's the case......
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 26, 2005, 11:22:37 pm
Consultant, Millsaps was the one school for which I could not find a definitive freshman class size.  I estimated 400 based on a total enrollment of 1200 ... but just now found a millsaps.edu profile page placing Millsaps' enrollment at 1076 undergrads.  300-325 seems more likely, making the size of this year's incoming FB class all the more impressive. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gil68 on August 27, 2005, 12:22:51 am
When I was at DePauw we had number of people from the St. Louis area there, with a handful of Missouri boys on the team.

I agree it's nice to have athletes from winning h.s. programs on the team, but you can't count out the hunger to win from the guys on the team who did not have successful high school squads.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tu_lb53 on August 27, 2005, 06:49:29 pm
Anyone make it to the TU scrimmage today?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on August 28, 2005, 12:07:23 am
Bedtime,
    Man, I like the educated guess on the Millsaps entering class.  If only that were the case!  Thanks for clarifying.

Millsaps Purple and White scrimmage report......

A nice crowd was on hand for the no contact, controlled scrimmage on Saturday.  They ran a very basic offensive package, so it was hard to get a grasp of any strengths and weaknesses.  Looks like the roster will fill out at 89 players.  Several guys with nagging injuries were held out of the workout for precautionary reasons. 

Of particular interest is the status of projected starting quarterback Raymece Savage (So.)  Despite my earlier report of a possible severe injury, Raymece has nothing more than a bruise and a muscle strain and is expected to start next Saturday at Huntingdon.  However, he was held out of today's scrimmage. 

Hopefully Millsaps will keep its doors open at the beginning of the week as Hurricane Katrina is projected to make her way straight up I 55.  The Jackson area is expected to see 6-8 inches of rain and sustained winds of up to 75 mph. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: kidd3776 on August 28, 2005, 03:25:23 pm
Any Information On Depauw's Scrimmage yesterday?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 28, 2005, 11:36:19 pm
Good luck to all those in the way of this dreadful storm.  Students/faculty at Millsaps (Jackson, MS), Huntingdon, and Rhodes all could be in harm's way as it progresses, and of course the poor people of New Orleans will bear the brunt of the damages.  Stay safe!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on August 29, 2005, 10:11:16 am
Bedtime,

I can't believe you picked Huntingdon against the Majors on the ASC pick'em page! Oh well, I'll take your points.

On another note, our thoughts go out to those in the path of Katrina today!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 29, 2005, 10:37:25 am
Two young teams, also not certain whether Raymece Savage will be at full speed.  Both teams played much better at the end of last season, went with the home 'dog.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on August 29, 2005, 01:22:04 pm
Ron Boerger:

I echo your concerns about the danger/impact of Katrina
as d3 teams in the eastern third of the country (bottom to top!) begin to gear-up for the opening weekend.  Millsaps is one of the closest to the coast, but the rain and wind will clear out there pretty quickly.  Points north and east will not be so lucky.

Best of luck to all teams as the season gets underway.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on August 29, 2005, 06:23:19 pm
any words of wisdom from the Depauw faithful?...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on August 29, 2005, 08:17:41 pm
tu_lb53,

"A bad dress rehearsal means a good first performance."
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tu_lb53 on August 29, 2005, 08:26:57 pm
hah - let's hope so
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: B/L Tiger on August 29, 2005, 09:26:50 pm
Indeed.  The last season that started with a Monterrey Tech bashing didn't turn out too well.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on August 30, 2005, 04:43:31 pm
http://www.huntingdon.edu/athletics/mens_athletics/football

Huntingdon vs. Millsaps has been postponed to Oct. 1 because of Hurricane Katrina. Since there are questions as to when Jackson will have power restored and concerns about players' families and both teams still had the open date in common this was an easy call I guess. As a season ticket holder I actually got a phone call from the Huntingdon athletic department telling of the change also.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on August 30, 2005, 04:48:33 pm
News from Millsaps in aftermath of Hurricane Katrina

I spoke with an athletic department representative this afternoon.  Millsaps has cancelled classes for the remainder of the week.  The campus received minimal damage from the storm.  However, the school has no power and no running water.   The campus is being evacuated today.  Most of Jackson is without power and the entire city is under a boil water notice for those fortunate to have running water.  Good news is that Millsaps is on the same power grid as some of the hospitals in the area, so the school should have power restored in the next day or so.  

No word on whether the football team will play at Huntingdon this Saturday.   I'll keep you informed.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on August 30, 2005, 04:51:55 pm
Millsaps report:

Just received word that the Millsaps-Huntingdon game has been postponed until Oct. 1.  This means that Millsaps first real game will not be until Sept. 24 vs. Belhaven.  The Majors' first "game" will be against Concordia-Selma on the 17th of September.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on August 30, 2005, 08:46:58 pm
Ron: Chaminade is a Catholic boys school with an enrollment of about 900, grades 6-12. Its football schedule includes some of the better teams in greater St. Louis high school football, but Chaminade has been generally inferior (from a football standpoint) to most of the schools on its schedule. Greater St. Louis high school football, in my judgment, is not as good as that of many similarly sized cities such as Cleveland, Cincinnati and Pittsburgh. Chaminade's enrollment is drawn disproportionately from the upper middle class - perhaps accounting for the relatively high number of its graduates on the DePauw (an expensive college) football roster.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on August 30, 2005, 08:58:29 pm
interesting...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on August 30, 2005, 09:54:01 pm
Hmmm... Chaminade, STL????  Just wait til vouchers come out!  Small, Catholic, disproportionately upper middle class.... Sounds like a 'prep school' that could do some serious damage!  Have them look into applying at Trinity!  Ole'
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 30, 2005, 11:33:43 pm
Frank, thanks (as always) for your insight.  I wasn't trying to say that DePauw was trying to pull anything funny, it just seems unusual to get four kids from the same school in a single year.  DePauw's not the easiest place to get into, either.  I wonder if the kid deom Chaminade who went there last year got on the phone to his buddies and did some recruting.   :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on August 30, 2005, 11:43:16 pm
Ron: We aim to please.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on August 31, 2005, 12:22:38 am
It's not that unusual. Wabash has three freshmen football players on the roster from Indianapolis Roncalli this season. No big deal - they all looked at the school and decided it was for them and they'd play together.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 01, 2005, 08:16:20 am
Ron--

Any insights on how the Seahawks adding malcontent Peter Warrick yesterday will impact Jereme Urban?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: willystyle on September 01, 2005, 09:56:02 am
Disappointing move by them.  You would've thought they'd learned their lesson with malcontent Koren Robinson.  There's really one spot left, and Urban just went from having about a 50-50 shot (Hackett being his primary opposition) to a 33% shot.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on September 01, 2005, 10:11:18 am
I read in an article that the Saints will use the practice facilities at Trinity while they stay in SA?  Is this true and is it the same practice field that the TU football team uses?

My heart goes out to all those affected by this tradegy!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 01, 2005, 10:28:33 am
It appears that the 'aints will come to SAT after their game this week.  Trinity was mentioned as a training site, but with school in session,, that becomes difficult.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/football/nfl/stories/MYSA083105.1C.FBNsaints.alamodome.da89440.html
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 01, 2005, 11:05:33 am
Ron--

Any insights on how the Seahawks adding malcontent Peter Warrick yesterday will impact Jereme Urban?

Makes it really, really difficult.  They might use Warrick primarily in a KR/PR role, but seems unlikely.  As I said over on the D3s in the Pro board, they wouldn't sign him to a one-year contract if they were going to turn around and cut him in a week.

Seattle WRs that seem to be in:
Bannister - about to come off the PUP list
Engram
D Jackson (catching passes now, dropped lots last season)
Jurevicius
Warrick

Seattle WRs fighting for the 6th (final) spot
Pathon
Urban
Hackett
T. Wallace
Shaw

Most reports seem to lean towards Pathon, though his star seems to be fading over the last week or two.  Until last week Hackett was having a better camp/preseason than Urban.   Hackett could go on the practice squad for another year, everyone else has used up their eligibility.   Hackett also had a minor injury in the game last week, if they hold him out this week it could give Urban a few more reps. 

Everyone keeps saying that Hasslebeck and Holmgren love Urb, but they keep signing all these FA WRs (Jurevicus, Pathon, now Warrick).   ???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 01, 2005, 11:28:50 am
Maybe he could stick with the Eagles.  They seem to need some help at WR--at least that's what I hear about 20 times a day up here.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 01, 2005, 06:00:20 pm
Haven't heard much about Rose-Hulman, but here is a nice preview (http://www.tribstar.com/articles/2005/09/01/sports/college_yesterday/college01.txt) from the Terre Haute Tribune-Star.  Significantly, there will be no platooning QBs this year as last year's co-QB, Aaron Gerhardstein, elected not to play this year.  That should help Rose' continuity on offense. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on September 01, 2005, 07:28:03 pm
Ex Major,
The Saints will practice at the SAISD Sports Facility which is near Burbank High School. The Saints have used this facility before and like it; question now is if the Sept. 18th regular season game vs. the Giants will be in the Alamodome or elsewhere? Tom Benson always favors San Antonio, but the league usually chooses a game site closer to home (Houston, Dallas, Baton Rouge, Alabama)?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 01, 2005, 11:01:35 pm
any words of wisdom from the Depauw faithful?...

Doubtful...

DePauw's not the easiest place to get into, either.

A pulse is necessary, I think...and a BMW.

OK, but seriously, folks...

DePauw should have a solid team this year.  Wiethoff is certainly the real deal at QB.  Interesting opener this year against Wesley at Blackstock.  I'll actually be rooting for the Tigers - call it reverse East Coast bias.

I'd also like to see DePauw beat Trinity...just because.

Nice of Bill Lynch to make a long-term commitment to the school.  Guess he didn't want to blemish his Bell Game record (can't blame him).

Have a garlic cheeseburger at Marvin's for me...(yes, I'm jealous).

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 01, 2005, 11:04:23 pm
Good luck to Rhodes this year.  Lived in Memphis from 95-99, attended the Wabash-Rhodes game when they played.

Maybe you could sneak DeAngelo Williams into uniform for the DePauw game? :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on September 01, 2005, 11:29:07 pm
so witty for a cpa...remind me to share Depauw's new coach's recruiting statement...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 02, 2005, 12:58:42 am
Please share - that is something to be treasured! :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 02, 2005, 09:27:07 am
The San Antonio Express-News reports that Trinity 'D' must prove it's worthy of 'Black Flag' (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/localcolleges/stories/MYSA090205.3D.FBCtrinity.defense.17cc03a2.html).   

According to the article, "the 'Black Flag' became a Trinity tradition after the Tigers finished as the No. 1 unit in the nation in 1998."    Last year's unit allowed 21.2ppg and only forced 15 turnovers, however, and the coaching staff won't let the defense carry the flag onto the field this year until they earn it ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on September 02, 2005, 02:33:21 pm
Millsaps announced today that classes will resume on Mon. September 12.  The campus does have power, but many parts of Jackson are still without power.  Millsaps is also taking the extra week to accomodate students from other universities and colleges hit hard by the storm who wish to continue their studies.  First "game" for the Majors is Sept. 17th versus Concordia-Selma.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tu_lb53 on September 03, 2005, 01:19:33 pm
Is it just me or is the KRTU feed quality absolutely horrible? It's a shame, because Kovacs sounds a lot more poised than he has in years past, I just can't understand half of what he's saying
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tusid on September 03, 2005, 01:35:12 pm
Feed is bad...best I can tell is two TU turnovers and no score early in the second quarter....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 03, 2005, 02:11:54 pm
I am posting score updates from the game.  See the ASC in-game updates for more.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tu_lb53 on September 03, 2005, 02:14:27 pm
k, thanks Ron
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DanSwan on September 03, 2005, 04:16:14 pm
Any news from the Rhodes game?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DesertLynx on September 03, 2005, 05:30:31 pm
43-31 final  LYNX WIN!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DanSwan on September 03, 2005, 06:24:05 pm
Great, 
It's great to see Rhodes get off on the right foot.
43 points, looks like Oliver had a good influence from older QB's his freshman year.

Good work guys!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on September 03, 2005, 07:30:50 pm
Ron, thanks for posting the Trinity v. Austin College story online so quickly.  I was happy to see it and read your analysis.  I listened to the game on the web, but the sound quality was messed up in the first half.

Hope JJ & Ray are OK and looking forward to seeing how the Tigers' offense improves during the next week.  Hoping to see some substitution with the new guys if possible.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on September 03, 2005, 08:47:24 pm
DePauw fan - if you are out there - what was the deal today. Come out, come out, where ever you are!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldrosie on September 03, 2005, 09:27:38 pm
RHIT UPDATE

                Rose Hulman 35    ---   Earham  13

Charlie Key  4 rushing TD's 155 yds at  the Half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 03, 2005, 10:31:18 pm
Hope JJ & Ray are OK and looking forward to seeing how the Tigers' offense improves during the next week.  Hoping to see some substitution with the new guys if possible.

You're welcome.  Had to get it to Pat quick because I had another committment.  Would have loved to get some quotes but just did not have time.   No doubt Coach Mohr would have had some very interesting things to say.

It looked like Ray just had the wind knocked out of him - that was a huge hit.  JJ possibly pulled a hammy, though he got off without help.  Hopefully it's not much.  He got tackled from behind and went down awkwardly.   Plotnick's effectiveness surprised me, except the one time they tried to run him from deep in the backfield.  He's definitely a FB-type runner.

Really impressive was ACC's Brian Womack.  He had some good moves and escaped numerous times.   He had some cramp problems and missed some key downs in the second half.  Without him to worry about, the D could really T off on the QB and the other, less effective RBs.  Womack kept them close two years ago, at least until an injury  took him out of that game. 

Trinity got their WRs open deep a number of times, but the ball was just a tad late arriving, which gave the AC DB's time to respond.  There was a decent breeze which could have held the ball up.     
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: patsajak on September 03, 2005, 10:32:11 pm
I was at the DePauw home opener today and the offense and defense looked surprisingly poised and prepared for the first five minutes (about 2 series for each) of the game.  Wesley ran the ball well and passed well all day with tall receivers and small backs.  DePauw struggled to stop their passing game for the most part and on offense they struggled with finding a rythym with the running game (which looked good in the second half) or the passing game (which was inconsistent to say the least).  Overall, they attempted to mount a come back at the end, but just couldn't move the ball with a big opposing d-line and passes that came up short.  Final score i believe was 26-31 Wesley.  I don't know how i'm going to deal with the next four years coming from just down the road, but i gotta support my lil bro as he is just getting his career underway and mine is long forgotten.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldrosie on September 03, 2005, 11:09:19 pm
RHIT UPDATE

Rose Hulman    48        Earlham  41   

Whoa ................

C Key  38 carries 207 yrds  5 TD's
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 04, 2005, 12:43:20 am
Good wins today for Rhodes and Rose-Hulman ... the latter a little more exciting than it had to be, hey?  Good effort from DePauw against a quality opponent.  Losing the turnover battle 4-1 had a lot to do with the final outcome.  Sewanee ... poor Sewanee, I hope something can be done to turn that program around.  Centre, sort of hiding in the weeds so far, good comeback after going down 13-0 at home to get the win. 

SCAC scores:

#11 Trinity 14 @ Austin 3 (http://www.d3football.com/story.php?story=7391)
Wesley 31, @ DePauw 26 (http://www.d3football.com/releases.php?release=7360)
@ Hampden-Sydney 52 Sewanee 7 (http://www.d3football.com/releases.php?release=7346) as JD Ricca goes nuts
@Centre 27, Bluffton 20 (http://www.d3football.com/releases.php?release=7674)
@Rhodes 45, Louisiana College 35 (http://www.d3football.com/releases.php?release=7409) despite 429 yds passing by LC's Cooper
 RHIT 45, @Earlham 41 (http://www.d3football.com/releases.php?release=7400)  5 rushing TDs, 207 yds from Charlie Key

Recod for the week:  4-2



Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LynxBC62 on September 04, 2005, 09:53:38 am
CoachR,
I am sure you were in Memphis for the game Saturday. Sounds like it was a good win. Anything else noteworthy about the game? There is only so much you can tell from scores and stats.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 05, 2005, 11:36:22 am
A "W" is a "W"..... A learning experience.  Props to AC for hanging tough.  I think they're going to win some surprises in their ASC farewell tour this year!

Lot's of new faces for TU,,, Jake needs to 'trust the force' and all will be well in SAT.

Big test Saturday against an emerging TLU... thoughts?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coachr on September 05, 2005, 05:33:38 pm
LynxBC62,

They started off well, had the game in control in the first half, 22-10 at the half. La. college brought in #24 in the 2nd half to run the ball and he went wild. La. went ahead, scored 3 straight TD's in the 3rd Qtr. they went after a couple of the DB's, stayed away from 3 people on the defense. But the Lynx came back with some big time plays, a kickoff return to the 3, then scored, and forced fumble and return on defense for a TD to put the icing on the cake.  The final was actually 43 - 33, the  Lynx took a safety on 4th and 10 on their own 25 with 9 secs. left. Oliver was very impressive, Lake ran his heart out and had 157 hard running yards. The OLine did much better than I was expecting. The defense played well, they gave up some points but the La. offense was strong. La. college did not run at #33, or Bruner or Louden, they played the entire game away from those 3. But there were a lot of others to step up, Bartholomew had a great game so did Foti. The D line did not really sack much, but their offense was all 3 step drops with timing patterns, they got rid of it before they could get in. If what I heard was true, that La. had 9 returning offensive players from the #3 rated offense in D3 last year, the Lynx may just surpise some people this year. The biggest thing about the game, as you will well know, they got behind but found a way to win in the 4th Qtr.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on September 05, 2005, 08:22:02 pm
This past Saturday, we met the enemy and THEY were US.   :-[

Next Saturday,  ???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Longtooth on September 05, 2005, 09:47:28 pm
The Same old!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 07, 2005, 12:24:09 am
SCAC players of the week:

Football - Offensive
CHARLIE KEY OF ROSE-HULMAN INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY, a 5-10, 205-pound senior tailback from Harrison, Ohio, has been selected the SCAC Football Offensive Player-of-the-Week for games played Saturday, September 3. Key tied a Rose-Hulman school record with five rushing touchdowns in the team's 48-41 victory at Earlham. The senior running back amassed 38 carries and 207 yards, the fifth-best single-game total in school history, while becoming the eighth player in school history to surpass 2,000 career rushing yards.

Football - Defensive
SHAUN IRCHIRL OF TRINITY UNIVERSITY, a 5-8, 180-pound sophomore defensive back from Humble, Texas, has been selected the SCAC Football Defensive Player-of-the-Week for games played Saturday, September 3. Irchirl picked up an interception on back-to-back fourth quarter possessions in the game, helping the Tiger defense to hold Austin College to just three points and 219 total offensive yards. Irchirl knocked down another pass, and also had three total tackles in the Tigers' season-opening win.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 08, 2005, 11:03:43 am
Man, this board is quiet.

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Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 08, 2005, 01:23:23 pm
I'm predicting a real battle at EM Stevens Sat nite!  TLU is always tough, getting better every year, and TU is just getting it's 'sea-legs' with the Jake and Blake show.  Strap 'em on gentlemen... let's get it on!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 09, 2005, 04:32:37 pm
What - Rhodes, DePauw, and Millsaps have a week off and everyone quits posting?

Trinity v. Texas Lutheran
Mt. St. Josephs v. Rose-Hulman
Centre v. Kenyon
Huntingdon v. Sewanee

Texas game looks like a good one.  MSJ v Rose could be interesting.  Centre should romp.  Is there any hope for Sewanee?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on September 09, 2005, 05:31:23 pm
  Is there any hope for Sewanee?

I hope not  ;) Since I'm making the 4 hour drive in the morning. My first DIII road game!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on September 09, 2005, 05:54:27 pm
I'll bite.......

Trinity v. Texas Lutheran   (TLU squeaks by with late touchdown to win 21-14)
Mt. St. Josephs v. Rose-Hulman  (Mt. St. Joseph too tough in this one 21-7)
Centre v. Kenyon  (Centre by plenty 42-14)
Huntingdon v. Sewanee  (Close one but Sewanee prevails 17-14)

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldrosie on September 09, 2005, 06:30:01 pm
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Mt. St. Josephs v. Rose-Hulman  (Mt. St. Joseph too tough in this one 21-7)

Ok the swami will take a crack at it too....

Centre -v- Kenyon  > Centre gets a cake walk this week-end
Mt. St. Joseph's  -v-  RHIT   > RHIT    plays payback wins by 12
Trinity -v- TLU   >   TLU in a tight game
Huntingdon  -v-  Sewanee   >  Sewanee in the battle of titans
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 09, 2005, 06:38:48 pm
Guess I should make some predictions since I posted the games :)

Winners:

Trinity
Rose Hulman
Centre
Huntingdon
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 10, 2005, 02:33:32 pm
Interesting quote from TLU coach Tom Mueller in today's Seguin Gazette-Enterprise (http://seguingazette.com/story.lasso?ewcd=441657fd4a7109b9):

Mueller said he believes the Bulldogs are at a disadvantage playing on the road and dealing with the fact that Trinity has played a game and they haven’t. He also said there are other factors TLU must deal with.

For some reason, Trinity usually gets favorable calls at their place,” Mueller said. “That’s just the way it is; there’s nothing we can do about it. All we can worry about is the things we control.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 10, 2005, 02:57:41 pm
in 2004 at home, TLU averaged 6.5 penalties/54 yards vs. opponents 10.3/97.  In the Trinity game, it was TLU 3-25 v. Trinity 9-108. Apparently SA's not the only place where the home team gets the calls :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 10, 2005, 04:56:58 pm
Sewanee's 2nd string QB is out with an injury ... after Wesley Satterfield broke  his hand (I think) a couple of weeks ago.  23-6 Huntingdon in the 4th quarter.    Not good news for an already shorthanded team.  Chris Murphy (5'6", 145, FY) in at QB for Sewanee.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 10, 2005, 05:27:39 pm
Getting some rain in south San Antonio ... lots on radar.  May be a sloppy field at EM Stevens tonight. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on September 10, 2005, 10:44:14 pm
Sewanee's 2nd string QB is out with an injury ... after Wesley Satterfield broke  his hand (I think) a couple of weeks ago.  23-6 Huntingdon in the 4th quarter.    Not good news for an already shorthanded team.  Chris Murphy (5'6", 145, FY) in at QB for Sewanee.

I think the second string guy ended up with a broken collar bone. Murphy(who is listed as a WR) took a pretty good beating. He will definitely be sore for a couple of days. They will sure have trouble accomplishing much until they get a QB healthy.
That score is a whole lot closer than it should have been. HC lost two fumbles in the red zone and turned it over on downs inside the 5 once. Overall the offense kind of sputtered most of the day. Hopefully just first game jitters and can be worked out soon. The defense seems to be much improved.
For most of the game HC I think had as many fans as Sewanee except for the last part of the second quarter when a large number of students started showing up but most had left by the time the second half started. Some guys were wearing these black capes and a bunch of others were wearing kilts. Not sure what to think of those kids. They do have a beautiful campus there at Sewanee and we really enjoyed the trip.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on September 10, 2005, 11:11:59 pm
Hawks,
   Those black-caped kids were not really there.....simply a figment of your imagination.....just ghosts from the days when Sewanee played in the SEC.  Congrats on the Huntingdon win.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 11, 2005, 01:49:18 am
Quick thoughts from TLU-Trinity; more in the column next week.

- TLU had a big size advantage on the OL and was quick to the corners.  Trinity was back on their heels the first couple of series.
- Holt Storrie hit a 20yd FG to give TLU its biggest lead of the night, 9-3.  On second down before the kick, Sean Salinas appeared to have taken a pretty good lick and was replaced on third down, and as holder on the FG try.
- Trinity regained the momentum with some beautiful deep passing.  Good to see Robert Kelner get involved in the offense again.
- Just as things were looking really bad for TLU (they had given up a TD on a 2-play, 75 yd drive, gone three and out, and Trinity had the ball at midfield), lightning hit the area and everyone went to the locker rooms.  For an hour and a half.
- TLU got the momentum back going in to the half thanks to a huge play by McCoy, who returned an INT 50 yards for a score just before the half.
- TLU's offense struggled after the FG.  At one point the Bulldogs assayed 11 straight running plays spanning the 2nd and 3rd quarters, with only one first down to show for their troubles.  When Salinas finally did start throwing the ball, he was not as effective as earlier, which made me wonder if he had his bell rung pretty well.  Then again, he was under a lot of pressure in the third quarter especially.
- Salinas and TLU started to get back into it when they abandoned a more deliberate style of play in favor of a hurryup offense in the fourth.  It may have been too hurried as there were several fumbles/INTs late that kept TLU from getting that last score. 
- Trinity was throwing a LOT of deep passes.  There were at least 3 or 4 perfectly good passes (maybe more) from Cannon that were dropped by the WRs, either due to contact or just because they couldn't hold on. 
- TLU was hitting a crossing route ALL NIGHT LONG.  Trinity finally started rushing only three guys to drop another guy back in coverage.  Salinas still kept hurting the Tigers with this play.
- The difference in the game came down to defensive line play.  Salinas was running for his life a lot, and while he got away a number of times, he also took five or six sacks.   They were even able to exert pressure only rushing the three guys.  TLU was unable to exert similar pressure, though they did get to Cannon a few times. 


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 11, 2005, 03:22:06 am
Ron, specific questions that you may have already thought of for your column.

Did the extra week make a difference for TU?

Will we see them play each other in November?

Might a 8-2/8-1 (Tri-champion) TLU get into the playoffs as a 2nd Pool C bid?

How much as Salinas matured?

Thanks
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 11, 2005, 03:44:43 am
As predicted, TLU was tough... TU prevails 31-23... thunder, lightening, delays...  TLU will do some damage in the ASC.....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 11, 2005, 11:00:53 am
Ron, specific questions that you may have already thought of for your column.

Did the extra week make a difference for TU?

You have to think it did.  Jacob Cannon did a much better job of leading his receivers - last week the WRs were having to come back to the ball on deep routes.

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Will we see them play each other in November?

Might a 8-2/8-1 (Tri-champion) TLU get into the playoffs as a 2nd Pool C bid?

I thought, of the three games against '04 playoff competitors, that this would be TLU's best chance to steal a win.  It will be very tough for them to go into Belton next week and defeat UMHB, and Hardin-Simmons will also be tough (though that is the one game they get at home).

That said, I've said all along that if TLU goes 8-2 that they will be a very strong Pool C contender.  Their QoW would be quite high.  Only the NCAA knows for sure.

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How much as Salinas matured?
I did not see him play last year, but he is a leader and the team obviously believes in him.   During the third quarter/early fourth, when Trinity pretty much had their way, he did seem to get a bit of happy feet under pressure.  Some of that may have been trying to clear the cobwebs out, because once TLU went to the hurry-up offense, he was much more composed. 

BTW Sean set the all-time TLU passing mark last night. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on September 11, 2005, 03:40:27 pm
I've been digging for more information about the now infamous Concordia-Selma football program.....I found an NAIA website (NAIAfootball.net) that seems to indicate that Concordia-Selma is an NAIA provisional member.  The college is a historically black insitution located in Selma, AL, which is west of Montgomery. 

Concordia-Selma will play at Millsaps on Saturday, Sept. 17; it will be the Majors' first game of the 2005 season.  I have been under the impression (as we all have) that the game will not count in the standings for Millsaps.  However, there might be an argument that the game can count based on some information that I have found.

Concordia-Selma has played three games already, but their first game is the interesting one:
D II West Alabama (Livingston, AL) d. Concordia-Selma 34-12 on August 25 -- this game apparently has counted in the West Alabama standings as indicated on the West Alabama website and the Gulf South Conference website.  The stats are listed on the West Alabama website and the Gulf South Conference website.  Ummmmm................. 

Concordia-Selma d. Allen University (Columbia, SC) 25-6 on September 3 -- no other info available......

Concordia-Selma played at Atlantic College yesterday -- no score and no other info available and I'm not sure that an Atlantc College exists in the US.....there is an Atlantic College located in Wales, UK.  :)

I'm passing this info along to the powers that be at Millsaps and at the SCAC....if this game can count for Millsaps, then it ought to.  But I'm not holding my breath.

I'll post something when I hear something......
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on September 11, 2005, 03:56:37 pm
Whatever Atlantic College-Charlotte is, Concordia-Selma pretty much wiped the field with them 75-8. Here is a link to the game article:

http://www.selmatimesjournal.com/articles/2005/09/11/sports/local/sports%2000000000000001.txt
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on September 11, 2005, 03:58:48 pm
Ahhh...nice work Hawks !!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 11, 2005, 04:31:39 pm
A quick call to the NCAA to confirm whether the U West Alabama game counted should give us the answer.

Does Millsaps have the secondary speed necessary to cover Concordia-Selma?

Great job, Hawks!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on September 11, 2005, 04:55:48 pm

Am I to understand that Jacob Cannon, despite poor numbers that Trinity has not seen a qb post in many years, actually looked better vs. TLU than against AC?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 11, 2005, 11:51:17 pm

Am I to understand that Jacob Cannon, despite poor numbers that Trinity has not seen a qb post in many years, actually looked better vs. TLU than against AC?

In some ways, yes.  If the receivers catch half of the passes they dropped he ends up completing 50% for 350-400 yards.  As Coach Mohr told me last night, Jacob is still very much a work in progress but there is a great deal of potential.  He threw some very pretty deep balls right where they had to be.   

Not that I am trying to sound like the president of the Cannon fan club, but it would also help him if the team could establish the run.  The OL struggled to open holes most of the night.  Their pass blocking, on the other hand, was quite good. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 12, 2005, 12:13:33 pm
TLU was just as tough as I expected..... mucho quicks!  If/when Salinas gets comfortable behind that big line and mixes the pass with the run effectively, they should be a factor in the ASC race.  Bonzo was correct in his assessment of Jake.... his receivers dropped some well thrown balls, but also credit TLU pass coverage as more than a few of his attempts were broken up by outstanding defense.  I think the lengthy lightening delay disrupted the flow of the game more for TLU than for TU.  An unforeseen homefield advantage is the home/vistitor locker rooms in a situation like that.  Under most conditions there would be only a squad of 50-55 travelling to EM Stevens to play TU, but because TLU is only 30-45 minutes away, they brought everybody and those poor locker room conditions must have been unbearable.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on September 12, 2005, 02:48:53 pm
Redlands fan here, looking forward to an exciting game this weekend when Trinity makes it out to Southern California. Any Trinity fans making the trip West?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on September 12, 2005, 03:14:59 pm
Just got it straight from the NCAA...Concordia-Selma will be a countable game for Millsaps.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on September 12, 2005, 03:22:55 pm
Good news for the Majors, I am sure they will be ready to hit someone who is not wearing a purple or white unifrom come Saturday.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on September 12, 2005, 10:40:45 pm
Bonzo, regarding the Tom Mueller quote:
"All we can worry about is the things we control."

Is there an implication here that Trinity in some way controls calls made by game officials at E. M. Stevens?  Especially like the interception REVERSAL the Tigers were hit with; three officials saw it as an interception, after a lengthy discussion one did not thus the correct call IMHO (I was seated directly in front of it) was over-turned? This call had the potential of turning the game around for TLU?

Also, speaking of things that Mueller and TLU does control; what was with their decision to TAKE virtually no wind (possibly 10 mph) at the opening kickoff and give the Tiger O the ball at both the start of the FIRST and THIRD quarters? Were the officials in some way involved with this decision? THANK YOU.

Bottom line, this past Saturday it was dropped balls, dropped balls .... dropped balls.  ::)

Next Saturday, who really knows.  ???



Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 13, 2005, 12:59:07 pm
Millsaps' game against Concordia-Selma has been moved up to 1 PM local time (http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/gametimechange.shtml).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on September 13, 2005, 03:05:05 pm
Gotta jump in here on TLU and TU results & coach comments:

If all an experienced coach like Mueller can do is whine about supposed favoritism and bad calls by the refs, his team has no chance to advance this year or ever.  What a bunch of cr*p.  I'm embarrassed for him and TLU.  My hope is that the Seguin newspaper reporter led him down that line of commentary ... next time, I suggest he avoid that subject entirely.  Sounds immature and "excuse-like".   :'(

Was very impressed with the size of TLU O-line and the talent of Mr. Salinas.  If he keeps a clear head, they will be a force in the ASC this season.  Haven't seen UMH-B or H-S, but it's hard to imagine they're bigger nor have a better QB.

As far as the TU Tigers, they will absolutely have to establish the run (and the O-line blocking to enable it), or they will struggle this season.  They have talented, experienced, fast RB's who are getting hammered before they can take two steps ... usually in the backfield.  C'mon Tiger OL ... git r done.  Once the running game opens up, the receivers will not be blanketed ... gotta keep those opposing DE's, DB's and LB's honest.

Best of luck to the Tigers in CA this week ... should be a tough test and help show them where they are before DePauw comes to town on the 24th.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 13, 2005, 06:53:13 pm
Trinity's Robert Kelner and David Morgan were named today to the D3football.com Team of the Week (http://www.d3football.com/tow/).  Congratulations!

WR Robert Kelner, Sr., Trinity (Texas)
Kelner made the most of his three catches in a 31-23 win against Texas Lutheran by scoring on two of them, and totaling a game-high 131 yards. Kelner's 75-yard TD reception early in the second quarter was a career-long for the third-year starter.

DL David Morgan, So., Trinity (Texas)
Morgan recorded three sacks among his four tackles for the day, as well as blocking the extra point following Texas Lutheran's first touchdown. Aside from the sacks, Morgan's other tackle was an assisted tackle at the 3-yard line that forced TLU to kick a field goal.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on September 13, 2005, 08:15:42 pm
There is no team, coach, cheerleader, etc. that does not frequently suffer from bad calls, or calls that they believe are bad.  The fact of the matter is that teams have to overcome bad calls.  Every team should be prepared to convert a third and 23 or respond to a score.  To blame officials is to point the finger, and there truly is no use in doing that.  It doesn't win you games.  All it does is constitute your reputation. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 14, 2005, 12:24:52 pm
For Trinity fans who may not have heard:  Jerheme Urban ('02) was cut for the second straight year by the Seahawks yesterday.  His practice squad eligibility with the 'hawks is used up, so it's the end of a career unless he lands with another team.  Some more details over on the D3s in the Pros (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=3584.msg365705#msg365705) board.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on September 15, 2005, 11:48:53 am
Here is an article about Millsaps from the Jackson Clarion-Ledger's piece on college football 2005.

http://www.print2webcorp.com/news/Jackson/CollegeFootball/20050828/p39.asp?st=p39_s1.htm
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 16, 2005, 11:30:38 am
Set up a pick'em for the SCAC on the General board (with all other pick'ems).  Have at it if you wish.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 16, 2005, 12:15:40 pm
I'm on it!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on September 17, 2005, 05:32:31 pm
Millsaps escaped a fast and furious Concordia College-Selma team this afternoon by the score of 24-23.  Concordia missed an extra point that would have tied the game with just two minutes to play. 

Concordia, a first year team, had over 80 guys dressed out.  They were fast, big, and strong.  They were organized, had a great defense, and a couple of outstanding receivers. 

I'll have to report on stats later when I can get a copy.....but Millsaps jumped on top 7-0 early in the first quarter on a long run by Eric Lorino.  Lorino, who had two long TD runs, played the majority of the ballgame after All-SCAC pick Tyson Roy was injured in the 2nd quarter. 

Concordia answered with a TD after they recovered a botched snap on a Millsaps field goal attempt.  The score was knotted at 7 at halftime.

Millsaps then went ahead 17-7 in the third quarter on a Lorino TD run and a D.J. Mello field goal.  Concordia then hit a field goal to pull wintin 7 (17-10).  Millsaps then scored on a 60 or so yard TD pass from Raymece Savage to Freshman WR Matt Foisy to go up 24-10. 

Then things got interesting.  Concordia was unable to move the ball at all against the Majors defense until the fourth quarter.  Then, they unleashed their fury.  Running, passing all over the place.  With about 7 minutes to go, Concordia connected on the first of two Hail Mary touchdowns.  The first one was on 4th down and 20.  The second on 3rd or 4th and very long.....both from in their own territory.  The Millsaps secondary had been flawless until that point with several pass breakups and one interception. 

Luckily for Millsaps the Concordia extra point on the second Hail Mary was missed......if there had been a tie, Concordia would have had every ounce of momentum !!!

In the end, a win is a win is a win!
More later.......
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 17, 2005, 06:13:48 pm
Centre 31 Rhodes 27, from the CC web site.

http://www.centre.edu/web/athletics/football/football_index.html
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 17, 2005, 07:56:53 pm
Any last minute predictions out west?

I say Trinity 41 - Redlands 31
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on September 18, 2005, 12:52:58 am
Here is a link to some photos from the Millsaps v. Concordia game on Saturday.

http://photobucket.com/albums/v283/Millsaps_Majors/Football_2005/

Visit the site....click on Concordia......
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 18, 2005, 01:10:47 am
Trinity came back with 1:20 left to edge Redlands 28-25... whew... 3-0!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on September 18, 2005, 01:23:27 am
Whoo!  Those Tigers are good even when they're bad.  I mean Trinity.  Interception with 12 seconds to play 90 seconds after taking the lead back.  Golly moses they need to play better next week.  They might be done blowing everyone out for awhile, but DePauw, you know they're going to make the plays when they count.  That's already in your heads.  

Next week-  DePauw 5, Trinity 6
Right after a snap goes over the head of Jacob Cannon and results in a safety with 49 seconds to play giving Depauw a 5-0 lead, Trinity recovers it's own free kick at the DePauw thirty yard line.  Cannon gets sacked at the 29 two snaps later and then with the clock winding down, he calls the play at the line and hits Hicks down the middle at the back of the end zone as time expires.    

Man, it needs to get easier, but it sure doesn' t this week.  If only we could run the ball...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 18, 2005, 10:43:59 am
Well, unlike two years ago it's a "W" from Cali rather than a loss.  TU did have nearly 200 yards on the ground, so it looks like things may be headed in the right direction.  DePauw cleaned Hope's clocks (http://www.depauw.edu/ath/index.asp?id=16278) in Michigan yesterday so the guys need to be ready ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 19, 2005, 05:20:57 pm
Bonzo... I can't buy the head-over-heart stuff.  I can't believe you picked DePauw over TU....  are you starting to believe what you write?  I'm predicting a solid win by TU over DPU.  We'll see if they drop us in the polls at 4-0.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 19, 2005, 07:21:11 pm
The Trinity offense has yet to play a complete game.  If it does, they should win.  But if it doesn't ... and it sounded like it was pretty danged ragged for the better part of two quarters on Saturday - then they won't.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on September 19, 2005, 08:36:17 pm
Historymajor,
The "poll" still has Trinity at 2-0? I guess they don't count 4th quarter come-backs? I sure do; that drive was a thing of beauty. Hopefully THE DRIVE will motivate the Tiger O on to a really great season; the BLACK FLAG also does appear to be back.

This past Saturday, the Tigers for two and a half quarters...zzz...zzz...zzz.   :o

Next Saturday, the Tigers get a "complete" game; who really knows?  ???

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on September 19, 2005, 10:29:04 pm
no one posts on this site, saw Depauw on sat...very creative offense...solid defense...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 20, 2005, 03:08:45 am
ETG, I knew I could count on you to be a smart-ass about a typo.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 20, 2005, 08:15:15 pm
El Tea Gray.... my isn't someone sensitive about someone's typing skills? 
I was proud to see that the Tiger's had enough gas in their tank to come back and then hold off a talented Redland's team.  When I travel to the left coast it sometimes takes me two or three days to get used to it.
Anyway, I think the TU Tigers are due for a statement game.  As the Black-Flag continues to improve, it's about time for the "O" to get offensive.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on September 20, 2005, 08:32:19 pm
Bonzo,
You are correct,  the Trinity vs. DePauw game "happens is set" for Saturday. If the teams play Saturday (Rita?), Sunday or even Monday (at Alamo Stadium) it is still going to "happen" all over DePauw.   ???

Pat,
What can I say, you were right again.   Oh, the karma.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on September 21, 2005, 12:23:37 am
Hi all,

Long time observer, first time poster.  Couple of things I wanted to put out there:

1.  WGRE will be at DPU/Trinity game, and our broadcast will start at 6 pm on Saturday night, or 90 minutes before the game, whatever day or time it takes place.  I pledge a moderately unbiased broadcast with only occasional homering.  The webcast can be accessed from www.wgre.org (http://www.wgre.org) or at www.depauw.edu/ath (http://www.depauw.edu/ath).

2.  It seems that not a lot of people on this board have had a chance to see DePauw play.  Here's a few observations for you Trinity folks to get a little more familiar with the team you'll see this weekend.

The new offense looks very sharp.  I've been very impressed with the progess of Ross Wiethoff's throwing arm.  He has looked great on just about every throw at short, medium, or long yardage.  The running game has looked solid as well.  Jeremiah Marks has been over 100 both games, and Wiethoff has been, well, Wiethoff.  Since halftime of the Wesley game, the DPU offense has been the best I've seen in my 4 or so years following the team.

I like what I've seen from the defense.  The new scheme really had Hope's QB Joe Schwander fooled.  He was 9-38 on Saturday, and threw a couple of TD's against the 2nd team. 

Coach Rogers was the first to admit that team wasn't ready to play in the first half of the Wesley game.  But since then, the Tigers have outscored the oppostion by a 57-19 count.  There have been some mistakes, a few too many fumbles, and Hope had a pretty good day returning kicks and blocked a punt.  I think it's going to be a pretty close game.  I really don't think either team is going to be able to roll, unless Trinity has an effort like the one they put out in the Austin game, or DePauw has a Wesley-first half relapse.  I think if the game does get played in the rain, DePauw's going to run often and run well.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 21, 2005, 12:59:26 am
DPU_Radio_guy, I want to congratulate you on the quality of your broadcasts. (I am assuming that you are the guy to whom I have listened broadcast DPU football and hoops these last few years.)  You are in my top 10 of national broadcasters!

Good luck, and I hope you have lots of bandwidth for those of us who will be listening! :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 21, 2005, 10:16:34 am
etg, where is the game going to be played?  I remember going to Trinity games at Alamo Stadium against such teams as Richmond and UTEP.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 21, 2005, 11:17:10 am
There are five regional SCAC games which could be impacted by Rita, should she continue on-course and on-schedule.  I am contacting the SIDs at the respective schools and hope to have some information about preliminary weather planning in the next day or two.

- McMurry at Texas Lutheran
- DePauw at Trinity
- UMHB at Louisiana College
- ETBU at Austin College
- Sul Ross at HPU (on the western edge which is normally dry, but should the storm go west of current projections Brownwood could also be impacted)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TUFilmGuy on September 21, 2005, 04:01:16 pm
etg, where is the game going to be played?  I remember going to Trinity games at Alamo Stadium against such teams as Richmond and UTEP.

The TU-Depaw game was going to be played at E.M. Stevens Field, but with the threat of Rita, I have no earthly idea.  The game might be moved to Sunday.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 21, 2005, 06:38:56 pm
The TU SID today said that contingency plans were actively being discussed with the SCAC and DPU.  One previously unmentioned possibility was the AlamoDome...  wouldn't that be awesome?  Bonzo couldn't complain about the press box!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on September 21, 2005, 07:55:28 pm
Bill McCabe,
The Trinity vs. DePauw game site is still somewhat undecided? Every intention is to get it in at E. M. Stevens; however if the natural grass there gets too water-logged then Alamo Stadium (immediate to the Trinity campus) or the Alamodome (downtown San Antonio) would be excellent synthetic turf fall-backs.  8)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 22, 2005, 12:14:26 am
I'm sure Wiethoff would be more than happy to play on turf.  He's plenty elusive on grass.

So is this pretty much the conference championship game?  Quite a bit for the Dannies to deal with between uncertain weather (and apparently playing location) and a monster road trip.  Still, it should be an excellent game.  At least one thing is for certain...the Tigers will win.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TUFilmGuy on September 22, 2005, 01:11:07 am
The TU SID today said that contingency plans were actively being discussed with the SCAC and DPU.  One previously unmentioned possibility was the AlamoDome...  wouldn't that be awesome?  Bonzo couldn't complain about the press box!

The Dome?  How the heck are we supposed to move the camera lift THERE?!?  ???  ;)

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 22, 2005, 09:02:24 am
The projected storm track has moved considerably east overnight.  TU and DU may be able to get the game in as scheduled.

Is this the conference championship game?  Centre would beg to differ; they are 3-0 and have already defeated Rhodes.  The winner of this game needs to defeat Centre (and everyone else).   There were co-champions in '03 (TU/Centre) and '96 (TU/Millsaps), tri-champs in '00 (TU/DU/Sewanee) and '95 (TU/Centre/Rhodes) because Team A would beat Team B and lose to Team C.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TUFilmGuy on September 22, 2005, 02:30:34 pm
As it turns out, the only game cancelled here at TU was a women's soccer game.  It's looking like everything else will happen on schedule here.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on September 22, 2005, 05:18:29 pm
The DePauw/Trinity game has been cancelled...no make-up date has been scheduled at this point.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TUFilmGuy on September 22, 2005, 05:49:32 pm
Guess I spoke to soon, huh?  :-X
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 22, 2005, 06:02:48 pm
Hmmm... interesting, if not impossible scheduling dilemna ensues....
Now Bonzo can go crazy speculating playoff implications if TU and DPU end up tied atop the SCAC without playing the game.... Or Centre beats both and earns it alone....
That's why I love this game!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 22, 2005, 08:23:49 pm
Is this the conference championship game?  Centre would beg to differ; they are 3-0 and have already defeated Rhodes.  The winner of this game needs to defeat Centre (and everyone else).   There were co-champions in '03 (TU/Centre) and '96 (TU/Millsaps), tri-champs in '00 (TU/DU/Sewanee) and '95 (TU/Centre/Rhodes) because Team A would beat Team B and lose to Team C.

Oh, the same Centre that beat mighty Kenyon by 11 and Bluffton by 7?  Thank you - you answered my question. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 22, 2005, 10:15:02 pm
Is this a strategic gamble?  Could DePauw be thinking that taking a pass now, could be better than taking a loss????
Inquiring minds want to know....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 22, 2005, 10:48:36 pm
Taking a gamble with the safety of the traveling party?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: B/L Tiger on September 22, 2005, 11:03:15 pm
Ron lets not forget that Centre was an '03 co-champ with a Trinity team that beat them by 50 some points.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 23, 2005, 12:19:07 am
Glad it seems to be open season on me today.  Go ahead, work those frustrations out.   :o   ;D

I don't get the DePauw decision.  I guess if they had a return flight via Dallas on Sunday (or even worse, Continental through Houston), it might make sense from that perspective.  Indications now are that Rita goes east, D/FW is hardly impacted, but better safe than sorry.  I guess.  It does throw a monkey wrench into the conference championship.   Teams will be looking at those secondary criteria and there will be no mercy shown.  If point differential is one of the tie-breakers then there will be lots of first teamers staying in games. 

DPU and TU do not have a common open date.   Centre has Nov 5 open, Trinity Oct 15th, DePauw none.  So we have to free up DePauw and get them an opening where they could play Trinity.  One possibility:
Can anyone do better?  Going to be a fairly expensive proposition to do this (changing travel plans), but it works without having to break any contracts with non-SCAC teams.

Yes, I am aware that Centre has looked unimpressive in two of their three wins (and that they got clobbered in '03 when they were "co-champs").  They are hardly the only 3-0 SCAC team to look unimpressive in (at least) two of three wins.   There have certainly been times that TU has lost to "lesser" teams in past years (e.g. every year they have shared a conference championship, including '03).   

On another note, Trinity today announced their $200M "Campaign for Trinity University" (http://www.trinity.edu/departments/development/campaign/index.html).  $5M is earmarked for "Athletic and Recreational Facilities."  Given that most everything else is already top notch, I imagine a good portion of the $5M will go to refurbishing EM Stevens Field.   There are no details (yet) breaking down the amount. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on September 23, 2005, 09:30:52 am
Much as I loathe and despise DePauw, I cannot fault them for not wanting to travel into that mess.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 23, 2005, 09:57:24 am
Much as I loathe and despise DePauw, I cannot fault them for not wanting to travel into that mess.

Two points.  If they had to travel through Houston, then you are absolutely correct.  We don't even know if the airports there will be open Sunday.

If not:  Rita has slowed down overnight and the track is forecast to go even further east (http://www.wunderground.com/tropical/tracking/at200518.html).   SAT will now be dry all weekend; DFW has but a 20% chance of rain on Sunday.  That's it.  Had they been able to wait until today (yes, that is easier said than done) DU may have been able to make a different decision. 

Forecasts can change, however, and there are things in life more important than football.  After all, this *is* Division III.  ;) Hopefully the league and schools can rework the schedule so this game can be made up.  It does make for a heck of a column lead next week.  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gil68 on September 23, 2005, 10:49:01 am
I'm sure it was getting to a time when a decision had to be made and one was made.  I am disappointed that DPU possibly will not be playing Trinity.

Here are the travel plans I found on DePauw's Football page:

 http://www.depauw.edu/ath/football/2005/schedule.asp#travel

Trinity       September 23-25: The Tigers depart Indianapolis International Airport at 11:15 a.m. on Friday aboard Northwest #1875 and arrive in San Antonio at 3:21 p.m. aboard Northwest #1094 from Memphis. The team leaves San Antonio on Sunday at 7:45 a.m. and arrive in Indianapolis at 2:35 p.m. aboard Northwest #494 from Memphis. Lodging on Friday and Saturday evenings is at the Holiday Inn and Suites; 3855 IH 35 N. (210) 226-4361.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 23, 2005, 10:55:28 am
Thanks, gil68.  Definitely the right call, and I freely admit to being in the wrong in questioning the decision.   Flying out of Memphis changes the whole equation. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on September 23, 2005, 11:07:54 am
So what is the tiebreaker should Depauw and Trinity end up tied without having played?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on September 23, 2005, 11:21:07 am
Actually, I found some tiebreaker material, which is below, on the SCAC website. It doesn't seem to address this exact situation, but it talks about fewest losses. Hmm....

I. Conference Championship and Regular-Season Contest Regulations
1. The conference champion in football shall be determined by a single round-robin. The team with the best winning percentage against conference teams will be declared the conference champion. The conference champion receives an automatic bid to the NCAA championship.
2. In the case of two or more teams tying for the conference championship, each team will be declared a co-champion and receive a trophy. To determine the representative to NCAA postseason competition and the recipient of the conference’s automatic bid, the following criteria will be used as a tie-breaker:
A. Two teams – head-to-head result from conference game played.
B. Three teams – Using the following point system:
• Each team will be awarded two points for each victory against other conference co-champions.
• Each team is awarded one point for each victory over other conference teams not sharing the championship.
• In the event that both parts of Section B are applied and two teams are still tied, the formula will revert back to Section A.
C. If Sections A and B cannot break the tie and there are still three teams tied, then the team or teams with the fewest losses will be declared as the recipient of the conference’s automatic bid to the NCAAs. If two teams have the equal number of losses, Section A is applied.
D. If there are still three teams tied with the same number of losses, then the percentage of each team’s opponents’ total overall record will be used. The team whose opponents have the higher win/loss percentage will receive the conference’s automatic bid to the NCAAs. If two teams remain throughout any of these tie-breaking procedures, Section A is applied.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 23, 2005, 11:34:53 am
Here's the rub, IF the game is NOT made up:

The team with the best winning percentage against conference teams will be declared the conference champion

If DU/TU end up tied and undefeated, nothing in this paragraph addresses the situation; A. does not apply because they will not have played. B/C/D talk about >2 teams and do not apply.

If multiple teams have one loss,  Centre/Millsaps/RHIT would have a leg up because they would play one more game.  Let's pretend that, say, Millsaps and DU or TU both end up at the top of the standings with one loss in conference play.  Normally the winner of the conference would be the winner of the head-to-head matchup between the two.  If DU-TU is not made up, Millsaps would declared be the winner due to their better winning percentage (5-1 vs. 4-1) ... even though DU-TU would have defeated Millsaps in head to head play and both teams had but one loss. 

I have an inquiry in to the SCAC office and hope to have something to report in next week's ATR.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wuapefkcud on September 23, 2005, 12:49:42 pm
I'm sure it was getting to a time when a decision had to be made and one was made.  I am disappointed that DPU possibly will not be playing Trinity.

Here are the travel plans I found on DePauw's Football page:

 http://www.depauw.edu/ath/football/2005/schedule.asp#travel

Trinity       September 23-25: The Tigers depart Indianapolis International Airport at 11:15 a.m. on Friday aboard Northwest #1875 and arrive in San Antonio at 3:21 p.m. aboard Northwest #1094 from Memphis. The team leaves San Antonio on Sunday at 7:45 a.m. and arrive in Indianapolis at 2:35 p.m. aboard Northwest #494 from Memphis. Lodging on Friday and Saturday evenings is at the Holiday Inn and Suites; 3855 IH 35 N. (210) 226-4361.

according to that link the site says Minnesota... so no they wouldnt be going through Memphis on the way home.

      September 23-25: The Tigers depart Indianapolis International Airport at 11:15 a.m. on Friday aboard Northwest #1875 and arrive in San Antonio at 3:21 p.m. aboard Northwest #1094 from Memphis. The team leaves San Antonio on Sunday at 7:45 a.m. and arrive in Indianapolis at 2:35 p.m. aboard Northwest #494 from Minneapolis. Lodging on Friday and Saturday evenings is at the Holiday Inn and Suites; 3855 IH 35 N. (210) 226-4361.

Why did you feel the need to copy the website and then change the most important part of the text???

DePauw could have flown in to San Antonio today unharmed, and returned through Minneapolis without any problems.  If forecasts are correct, San Antonio may not get any rain this weekend.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on September 23, 2005, 01:06:13 pm
There's an article on ESPN.com about how Tennessee's AD was prepared to take a forfeit in their game against LSU if the SEC wouldn't postpone it. I wonder if Depauw was willing to do the same. Not that they should have. I'm just curious.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2170163
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 23, 2005, 01:14:14 pm
The NCAA doesn't recognize forfeits for failure to appear for a game. It is a no-contest.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gil68 on September 23, 2005, 01:39:56 pm
What would I possibly have to gain by changing the information that I cut and pasted? I have no way to prove it because the info is no longer on the site >:(
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 23, 2005, 02:12:05 pm
This is what the cached version of the page from Google says:

September 23-25: The Tigers depart Indianapolis International Airport at 11:15 a.m. on Friday aboard Northwest #1875 and arrive in San Antonio at 3:21 p.m. aboard Northwest #1094 from Memphis. The team leaves San Antonio on Sunday at 7:45 a.m. and arrive in Indianapolis at 2:35 p.m. aboard Northwest #494 from Memphis. Lodging on Friday and Saturday evenings is at the Holiday Inn and Suites; 3855 IH 35 N. (210) 226-4361.

"This is G o o g l e's cache of http://www.depauw.edu/ath/football/2005/schedule.asp as retrieved on Sep 22, 2005 07:54:58 GMT."

(I believe that's 03:54:58 EDT.)

If I'm not mistaken, I believe that supports gil68's version.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gil68 on September 23, 2005, 02:15:38 pm
Thank you for the back up Pat!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 23, 2005, 02:34:32 pm
No problem.

And to be honest, does it particularly matter which Northwest hub they go through?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: willystyle on September 23, 2005, 02:39:24 pm
Well, yes, because Memphis might well be affected by Rita come Sunday, whereas Minneapolis will not.

Coincidentally, I'm leaving in a few minutes for the airport.  Destination Memphis.  Hotty totty, etc.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 23, 2005, 02:59:11 pm
And at the point the decision had to be made? Wasn't Texas in the picture?

Call me crazy, but if I'm an administrator I am not sending a 60-person traveling party potentially into harm's way for a football game. Just doesn't make sense. It's one thing if they're driving and can turn around if conditions warrant, but when you're going by air, you're committed.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wuapefkcud on September 23, 2005, 03:16:01 pm
What would I possibly have to gain by changing the information that I cut and pasted? I have no way to prove it because the info is no longer on the site >:(

Sorry, I just figured that their website would know what it was supposed to be.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on September 23, 2005, 03:21:18 pm
I wonder what other options were explored here...moving the game to a neutral, weather-friendly site?  Moving the game to Greendingle?  It seems to me that it should be a priority to make sure the game between the conference's two best teams be played some how, some way.  I don't at all fault Depauw for not playing in SA on Saturday, but I think it stinks that the game won't be played.  

I would love to see Depauw and Wabash possibly meet in the playoffs...I know, a lot of things would have to happen for that to occur, but step one is getting both teams in the playoffs.  I think this is probably the best chance for that to happen since Depauw fled the ICAC.  Of course, I also want Depauw to earn their way in...which means they'd have to beat Trinity.  

Now, if I'm reading the tiebreak rules properly, it doesn't look like the SCAC has a method of determining a playoff representative when two teams are tied and there is no head-to-head result.  But there is a stipulation that allows for them to use the overall records to eliminate a team from a three or more way tie.  Doesn't it make the most sense here to just apply section C to the two-way tie?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 23, 2005, 03:29:16 pm
I agree that the solution that makes the most sense from a weather standpoint is reversing home field and playing the game at DePauw. I'm sure, however, that that wasn't even possible logistically or financially.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on September 23, 2005, 03:46:47 pm
Could you imagine playing for the Bell, then on Selection Sunday the NCAA schedules Wabash and DePauw as a first round game. And you know the NCAA would do something wacky like that.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 23, 2005, 03:51:01 pm
Actually, yeah, they would. :)

The NCAA has shown no hesitation to schedule a rematch of regular-season non-conference opponents. However, those were early-season games, like most non-conference matchups.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 23, 2005, 03:51:48 pm
I agree that the solution that makes the most sense from a weather standpoint is reversing home field and playing the game at DePauw. I'm sure, however, that that wasn't even possible logistically or financially.

IMO the danger involved here was in the travel, not in playing the game.  By the time the game was called off, it was pretty obvious there wasn't going to be any weather in SA on Saturday.  If it was unsafe for DU to fly to SA and back, the opposite is equally true.   And the cost would be horrendous - requiring a decent chunk of the $80M TU has already raised towards their $200M goal.   :o  Same thing for trying to find a safe neutral site.  Colorado College?  Abilene?? Eeek ...

The conference fathers (and mothers) are considering their options.  It is possible to rework the schedule, though it would help if a rich SCAC grad (there has to be one somewhere who played sports and made a killing in the market) would come forth to pick up the tab on travel costs.   Not to say the conf IS doing that, just one of the options being considered with all the rest. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on September 23, 2005, 03:58:09 pm
I wouldn't think money would be an issue in moving the game to Greencastle.  Both DPU and and TU are fairly affluent institutions and I think they could justify spending a little extra money given the circumstance.  Logistically it would be tough...but then again, if you've got the money you can make pretty much anything happen.  

smeds, I remember in 2002 there was some chatter about how Wabash would come out in the first round of the playoffs after the Bell game...there was some concern that there would be a let down of sorts.  Fortunately there wasn't...but if they did schedule a Wabash-Depauw first round game, you probably wouldn't have to worry about any let downs!  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 23, 2005, 04:04:47 pm
A little extra money? I guess Wabash doesn't fly much. You must have no idea of the logistics of flying and housing 60-70 people at the last minute.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on September 23, 2005, 04:06:28 pm
What would be the worst side effect would be the possiblity that the team that won the playoff game would not be the one that goes home with the Bell. How odd would that be?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gil68 on September 23, 2005, 04:20:28 pm
A source from DePauw that I have heard from said that the game between DePauw and Trinity most likely will not be played.  Also, a scheduling change this year for DePauw put the Rhodes game on October 15th (a date Trinity has open) instead of being at the beginning of the year.  This week has previously been DePauw's bye week for a few years before this one.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on September 23, 2005, 04:24:06 pm
Wabash doesn't fly much, no.  In fact, I can't think of the last time Wabash would have had to fly for a game....most likely would have been for the Stagg Bowl in 1977 (played in Alabama I believe).  I'm sure it costs a small fortune to do what I'm suggesting, but both of these schools sit on enormous fortunes (endowments in or around the half billion dollar area).  The point being that money really isn't an object here...the flying would be tricky...the housing not so much.  Greencastle isn't exactly a hotbed of tourism. :)  

Do you think the playoff game would be a non-Bell affair?  I think the Bell should be at stake whenever the two teams square off.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gil68 on September 23, 2005, 04:40:27 pm
Wally,

I agree that any time DePauw and Wabash play the Bell should be at stake.
I was looking at DePauw's all time scores section on the football homepgae in the archives and saw that there was at least one season where DePauw and Wabash played more than one time in a year, but the example I found (1900) was pre-Bell.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on September 23, 2005, 04:48:05 pm
so, would that make a potential 2005 playoff game the 113th Monon Bell Classic? If the Bell is at stake, then it should be.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 23, 2005, 06:58:11 pm
The point being that money really isn't an object here

I really think you have a misguided sense of reality on this (or none at all). The AD can't just walk into the president's office and ask for money like that. It just doesn't happen.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on September 23, 2005, 07:06:21 pm
Bonzo,
Yes, you are "still crazy after all these years"...but you are also still very analytical when it comes to scheduling! Your post #1977 (or something like it) is right on target. Hopefully you can talk to/work with the SCAC office to help set up such a schedule rearrangement.  All airlines have been announcing that they would "work with" individuals to help with any grossly increased costs of tickets due to Rita. Maybe they would be willing to work with athletic teams as well (some teams can be very good customers).

Bonzo, if possible this would need to be done early next week as the first rearrangement would probably be required next weekend. This is a much better alternative than not playing the game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on September 23, 2005, 07:13:56 pm
And that's fair enough, Pat.  I have no idea how money works amongst the higher levels of wealthy academic institutions.  I do know that both of these schools are sitting on hundreds of millions of dollars...how accessible that money is is beyond me.

Maybe they could pass a hat around at the game to help offset the cost.  :) 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 23, 2005, 08:49:02 pm
[...] Hopefully you can talk to/work with the SCAC office to help set up such a schedule rearrangement. 

The SCAC office has acknowledged that as one of a number of possibilities they are considering.  Timing makes it difficult, as is having to change all those schools' travel schedules on such short notice (and getting everyone involved to buy off on it).

That said, anyone thinking I have pull with any conference office is sadly mistaken.   :D   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 23, 2005, 09:13:06 pm
Bonzo... what about next weekend... Trinity is travelling to Indiana anyway to play RHIT, and Chicago is coming to Indiana to play DPU....  Switch the opponents and have Chicago play RHIT and TU play DPU.  Since RHIT is a lame duck anyway, it makes sense to 'short' them a game.  I'm not sure that it's at all fair to TU to 'give' DPU an at home shot at TU,,,, but these two teams game-planned all this week in anticipation of playing tomorrow, another week of Scout Team Defense would make for a fitting mano a mano test.... albeit on the road.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 23, 2005, 09:45:21 pm
That's an interesting scenario. Of course, Chicago is under no obligation to help the SCAC but I suppose they should be approached.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 23, 2005, 10:48:56 pm
After thinking about it some more... maybe Northwest Airlines would agree to reschedule DePauw's flights to next week and the game could be in San Antone as originally planned.... coincidentally, Trinity is scheduled to fly to IND on NWA next Friday.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 23, 2005, 11:52:15 pm
Interesting idea, historymajor, but I don't think the SCAC fixes the DU/TU problem by shorting another conference member a game.  What happens if RHIT should finish undefeated because they didn't have to play TU? They are still a full-fledged conference member and deserve to be treated accordingly.  I really don't like the idea of Trinity having to give up a home game for the key game of the year. 

OK, RHIT winning out is unlikely, but any potential solution shouldn't in and of itself lead to more possible problems. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on September 24, 2005, 12:12:27 am
Chicago (and the rest of the UAA) has been bailed out by the NCAC for the foreseeable future...I think it's only fair that they make a sacrifice for the greater good of D-III football.  I like the idea.  It's not like UofC is getting shorted a game and it's actually a better game for them in terms of competition (and for RHIT for that matter).  I think it makes sense. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on September 24, 2005, 12:20:53 am
I like historymajor's idea.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on September 24, 2005, 01:04:01 am
Wally -

Drawing money out of an endowment isn't as easy as writing a check. Many schools can only draw so much out of the endowment during a fiscal year based on resolutions passed by the Trustees. So while, yes, there's piles of money in an endowment not all of it is able to be spent at one time.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 24, 2005, 03:06:04 pm
Early in the 2nd half, 14-7 Centre.  Centre inside the W&L 30 with about 11 minutes to play in the 3rd.  Then I had to take care of some errands.  Centre scored to make it 21-7.  Next series, Generals connect on a 68-yd TD pass to get back to within a TD, 21-14.

Colonels already in the red zone on next drive.   7:47 remaining, short TD pass by Centre, 28-14 Centre.

Rose-Hulman is all over Oberlin, 28-0 with 10:54 left in the first half.

W&L returns the next kickoff 78 yards for a TD, so now it's 28-20 Centre 7:33 remaining in third.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 24, 2005, 03:45:47 pm
RHIT 35-7 at the half, rolling up 319 yards.

Centre 35-20 early in the 4th, W&L driving and in Colonel territory.  W&L drives to the 1 but Centre's defense holds on fourth down. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on September 24, 2005, 05:12:33 pm
  Thanks from an ODAC fan.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 24, 2005, 06:26:20 pm
Rose-Hulman 45, Oberlin 13, final.  Charlie Key scored five touchdowns for the Fightin' Engineers (3-1).

Centre 35, Washington & Lee 26, final.  Adam Blandford had 96 yards rushing to help the Colonels (4-0) stay undefeated and deal the Generals (2-1) their first loss.    W&L's Greg Tweardy completed 24-of-38 passes for 310 yards. 

Sewanee 33, Maryville (TN) 14, final - Wes Satterfield returned from a pre-season injury to lead the Tigers (1-3) to their first win of the season.   Satterfield ran for 156 yards and two scores, and passed for an additional 135.  Blake Mears added 132 yards on 19 carries. 

Huntingdon 16, Rhodes 12, final - Hodge Patterson scored on a 42-yard interception return late in the first half to put the Hawks (3-0) in front for good.    Huntingdon won despite being held to seven first downs and being outgained 418-156.   No fewer than four Lynx (2-2) drives into Hawks territory ended on downs.   That, combined with three Justin Sealand interceptions, was enough to sink the Lynx.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on September 24, 2005, 06:42:22 pm
Thanks for the good job posting the scores and game summaries.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 24, 2005, 07:18:40 pm
You're welcome.     :D

Belhaven takes a 7-0 lead on Millsaps with 7:47 left in the opening quarter.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on September 24, 2005, 08:18:58 pm
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/metro/stories/MYSA092405.sabush.EN.8c4cd808.html

Hmmmm...San Antonio is safe enough for the President of the United States to stop by today, but not safe enough for Depauw's football team.  I'm trying to figure out how that makes sense. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 24, 2005, 08:33:05 pm
 >:( Don't be tacky.  The President got to make his decision today, DU had to make the call on Thursday.  The President also didn't have to fly over Rita to get to SA.

13:42 left in third quarter, Belhaven 16, Millsaps 7 after Millsaps blocks a Belhaven punt and recovers it in the end zone. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on September 24, 2005, 08:37:14 pm
I think it's funny. Lighten up.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on September 24, 2005, 08:43:20 pm


Huntingdon 16, Rhodes 12, final - Hodge Patterson scored on a 42-yard interception return late in the first half to put the Hawks (3-0) in front for good.    Huntingdon won despite being held to seven first downs and being outgained 418-156.   No fewer than four Lynx (2-2) drives into Hawks territory ended on downs.   That, combined with three Justin Sealand interceptions, was enough to sink the Lynx.

Pretty much the complete opposite of last week's game where our offense was able to do pretty much what it wanted and held the ball most of the day. Today HC's offense was never able to do anything and the defense was on the field all day it seemed. Even though they gave up a lot of yards it is good to see them be able to get the stops when they needed to, especially at the goal line in the fourth quarter. Good to be 3-0 and looking forward to a couple more tough games the next two weeks to see just how good we really are.
On another note, you will very rarely hear me talk badly about a game's officials but I have to wonder exactly where the ones for today's game came from and wonder if they have ever seen an option play. There were two times today(once for each team) where the pitch on the option play was fumbled and they ended up ruling them as incomplete passes. In all my years of playing and watching football I have never seen a fumbled pitch on an option called an incomplete pass. Just seemed really odd to see it twice in one game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 24, 2005, 08:49:25 pm
8:18 3rd - Millsaps misses a 32 yd FGA, now trail Belhaven 23-7.  That was the Majors' first trip to the red zone today ... 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 24, 2005, 08:53:33 pm
Ron, unfortunately that's par for the course from Wally, I fear.

I'm sure that if DePauw were flying at the taxpayer's expense it would have gotten there too.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on September 24, 2005, 08:58:22 pm
 ???, Pat.

Gimme a break. Wally said yesterday that he didn't fault Depauw for cancelling the game. It was a joke on a rival. I can't believe you're making this big a deal about it. Christ, I'm sorry I ever mentioned to Wally that Bush was even here.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 24, 2005, 09:01:04 pm
Most jokes have smilies ... and actually sound like jokes rather than griping.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on September 24, 2005, 09:02:48 pm
Not entirely sure what dog Wally has in the SCAC hunt that would cause him to have a serious gripe. No one on here made a serious issue about DPU's decision. Even from the Wabash fans.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on September 24, 2005, 09:05:57 pm
I don't at all fault Depauw for not playing in SA on Saturday, but I think it stinks that the game won't be played.  

Yikes....I've drawn the ire.  As you can see, I'm on record as saying Depauw wasn't wrong in playing today.  The previous post was done in the spirit of rival-ribbing...I should have smileyed.  With 37 different smileys to choose from, I panicked and forgot to choose any of them.  :)  

I'll keep future Depauw humor as Dan Quayle-centric as I can.   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on September 24, 2005, 09:11:11 pm
Well, they are both Republicans.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 24, 2005, 11:41:14 pm
With 37 different smileys to choose from, I panicked and forgot to choose any of them.

Now THAT'S funny. :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on September 25, 2005, 05:55:27 pm
Pat, et. al. -

I got teh funny....just was a biting comment on two fronts. Rather much a joke liberal arts type people would do...heeee! ::)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on September 25, 2005, 08:55:49 pm
Bonzo/History/Pat,
Not suggesting that any of us has "any pull with any Conference office", but there are some solutions that do seem to have a lot going for them. It seems reasonable to want all the SCAC members to still play a full SCAC schedule, if possible? Bonzo's previous reschedule scenario would work, as well as possibly an easier one for the SCAC:

Sat. 10/1---DePauw/SCAC  asks Chicago to play Huntingdon
                  Millsaps/SCAC asks Huntingdon to play Chicago
                  If agreed, the Chicago vs. Huntingdon game "is" and the changed
                  games "were" Non-Conference for everyone.
                 

Sat. 10/1---DePauw at Trinity
                  Millsaps at Rose-Hulman
                  Two SCAC rescheduled games.

Sat. 10/15---Trinity at Rose-Hulman
                    Third SCAC rescheduled game.

IMHO it just seems to have the least "strain/pain" for the SCAC (3 games over 2 week-ends) and all of it's current members. A favor would be required from both Huntingdon and Chicago, but not so big a favor that it could not soon be repaid by SCAC members in future scheduling.
                   
P.S.---Bonzo, please re-check my scheduling , as far as I am concerned "you're still the man" on these matters.  :)
   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 26, 2005, 09:03:21 am
What happens if Trinity and DePauw can't reschedule and they win out in conference?  Is there a tie breaker in place?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 26, 2005, 09:06:15 am
What happens if Trinity and DePauw can't reschedule and they win out in conference?  Is there a tie breaker in place?

No.  The only existing guidelines for two teams specify head-to-head as the sole tie-breaker, thus the interest in getting the game rescheduled.  There are some tiebreaker rules which would work but as it stands now they are only to be used in case of a three-way tie. 

The conference will either figure a way to rework the schedule or will have to come out with a statement on how this scenario will be handled. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 26, 2005, 09:07:56 am
Ron,  What are the chances your scenario will be adopted?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 26, 2005, 09:24:37 am
Ron,  What are the chances your scenario will be adopted?

I imagine pretty slim.  Hard to make that magnitude of travel changes (not to imagine expensive) in such a short period of time. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 26, 2005, 09:27:34 am
Any thoughts on how the conference will turn out?  Should Trinity and DePauw go undefeated?  Any potential for losses?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on September 26, 2005, 10:36:08 am
Bedtime,

Where did they move the pick-ems page, I can't find it, been out of pocket since leaving town due to Rita last week.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 26, 2005, 01:24:26 pm
Pick 'ems are a topic under General Football (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?board=1497.0).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 27, 2005, 12:51:20 am
Any thoughts on how the conference will turn out?  Should Trinity and DePauw go undefeated?  Any potential for losses?

I have a couple of paragraphs on this in this week's ATR - should be out noonish on Tuesday. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 27, 2005, 04:59:55 pm
Congrats to Sewanee's Wesley Satterfield, named SCAC Offensive POTW and to the D3football.com team of the week (http://www.d3football.com/tow/).  With Satterfield back at the helm, any resemblance between last week's Tiger squad and that of the first three weeks was stricktly coincidental.

Sewanee's George Twitty and Centre's Matt Johnson were the SCAC defensive co-POTWs (http://www.scac-online.org/potw_fall/week4.htm).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on September 27, 2005, 05:32:53 pm
Bedtime,

It appears the pick'em board is either missing or off-limits to me?  That is what the message said when I clicked your link
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 28, 2005, 12:21:37 am
It's not "my" board, exmajor.  Just click on "Post Patterns," then "General Topics," then "Pick 'ems" and finally "SCAC."  Or you can try this link. (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=3780.0)

Nobody has updated it since last week. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 28, 2005, 12:57:58 am
exmajor:

If you are logged in, you can get to that board. If you are not logged in, no dice.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on September 28, 2005, 09:06:27 am
Thanks Pat, I figured it out, sorry to bug you Bedtime, just asked because you are on the site way more than I am.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 28, 2005, 02:05:38 pm
Thanks Pat, I figured it out, sorry to bug you Bedtime, just asked because you are on the site way more than I am.

I resemble that implication  :D  no worries, mate!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 28, 2005, 02:32:31 pm
Word from the SCAC office is that last week's Depauw-Trinity game will NOT be rescheduled.  A new tiebreaking scheme is being created. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 28, 2005, 06:17:24 pm
DPU would rather BLOCK the reschedule issue and is INTERFERING with any attempt, HOPING that the tie-breaker will favor them. 
TU needs to go on the OFFENSE and win-out. 
That will decide who's the champ! 
Don't rely on your DEFENSE when you can beat them with your OFFENSE.
Go TU,,,,, put a spanking on RHIT this weekend!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on September 28, 2005, 08:32:20 pm
HM - Do you have proof that DPU is the obstructionist?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 29, 2005, 07:01:53 am
No PROOF, just logic... TU tried to reschedule, the SCAC tried to reschedule,,,, no reschedule >>>> therefore DPU must be the answer....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on September 29, 2005, 07:50:09 am
Or other teams that needed to cooperate would not cooperate.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 29, 2005, 10:40:49 am
Or other teams that needed to cooperate would not cooperate.

Sure, but that would be the normal response, not the "everyone's out to screw Trinity" response that historymajor and, more often, ETG are notorious for. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on September 29, 2005, 10:45:40 am
Mind you, as a Wabash alum, it was quite difficult for me to type those two posts.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabco on September 29, 2005, 11:32:27 am
Trinity

Understand the Dannies are ducking you.  Typical of their character.  They7 mwill, of course, have a miriad of DePauw-esk "reasons" to mask their desire not to (fear of?)play(ing) you.

Wabash has lived with the various manifestations of their character (or lack thereof) forever.  It is our destiny.  Now ... you better understand and are welcome to join our club.

   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gil68 on September 29, 2005, 11:52:00 am
wabco,
Your aspersions are ridiculous.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: willystyle on September 29, 2005, 05:02:45 pm
What's an aspersion?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on September 29, 2005, 05:17:52 pm
Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

One entry found for aspersion.
Main Entry: as·per·sion
Pronunciation: &-'sp&r-zh&n, -sh&n
Function: noun
1 : a sprinkling with water especially in religious ceremonies
2 a : the act of calumniating b : a calumnious expression <cast aspersions on her integrity>
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 29, 2005, 05:57:35 pm
The greatest probability among the numerous possibilities is that TU and DPU end up as co-champs.  The SCAC deliberates the issue of the tie-breaker until 11pm  on Saturday November 12th, when they award the AQ to an 7-2 overall/6-2 South Region/5-0 SCAC DPU, which is smarting from the loss of the Monon Bell to Wabash.  The alleged tie-breaker was a 2-headed coin flip in which DPU called "heads".  (The astute understanding of the nature of the Selection committee is instrumental in the SCAC maximizing the number of options.  The ASC uses a coin-flip for breaking 3-way ties.  The higher SAT scores touted by the SCAC are responsible for the brilliance of the using of the 2-headed coin. ;) )

Undefeated Trinity (9-0 overall/8-0 South Region/5-0 SCAC) gets a Pool C bid, hosts the one-loss ASC runner-up and gets their heads handed to them, again, (IMHO) ;D in the first round of the TEXAS Sub-Bracket!

DPU gets to go on the road to MSJ who soundly defeats them.

Ahh, the speculation of the playoffs!  It is autumn again! ;D

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on September 29, 2005, 06:19:27 pm
or Centre, Millsaps, even Rose-Hulman beats one or both of these teams and makes this discussion pointless.

I know it is not the case, but alot of this banter assumes that Trinity and Depauw will easily run through the rest of the SCAC competition.  History says they will, but the 2005 season is present day, anything could happen right?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on September 29, 2005, 07:35:48 pm
I love Ralph's scenario...especially the part about Depauw losing to Wabash.  That's the most sensible thing I've read in days.  :) 

But...how about this scenario...The logic behind giving AQs to conferences of 7 or more is that to win a conference wherein you have to play and be better than at least six teams is sufficient proof that you are playoff worthy.  Fewer than 7 teams, and there really isn't a sufficient sampling of conference play to deem anybody playoff worthy.  With that established...DPU and Trinity are not really playing in a 7-team conference this year because they've elected (rightly or wrongly...that's irrelevant now) to exclude one another.  So it's really as if DPU and Trinity are playing in a six-team conference.  I think it makes at least some sense to toss DPU and Trinity in with the Pool B folks if for no other reason than to avoid the nefarious "two-headed" coin scenario described by Ralph.  The SCAC doesn't have a tiebreaker for the undefeated co-champion scenario.  It seems unfair to the rest of the pool C folks to allow the SCAC to retroactively concoct a "tiebreaker" wherein they can give their auto bid to a two-loss Depauw team and have undefeated Trinity toss the dice with pool C, which wouldn't be much of a risk at all given the extra bids and Trinity's reputation. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on September 29, 2005, 08:32:56 pm
Just to keep Pat happy, try this:

If both sets of Tigers (Trinity and DePauw) should in any manner qualify for the Playoffs (again, who really knows), then IMHO DePauw should be required to play Trinity in the First Round, at Trinity (where this season's regular game was to be played) and DePauw (not the NCAA) required to pay for their own plane fare to San Antonio as they would have for last week's regular game.

Result, Trinity and DePauw will get to settle this issue on the field, as they should, and the NCAA saves a tidy sum of travel money. IMO Trinity would support this solution; per Wabco, DePauw probably would not (who really cares, DePauw could again choose to not show-up)?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on September 29, 2005, 08:41:55 pm
My hunch is that if DPU and Wabash both make the playoffs - the NCAA will match 'em up. Just because.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 29, 2005, 09:10:22 pm
Smed, and do you move the DPU-Bash playoff game to a stadium that can hold 15,000 fans for that game? ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 29, 2005, 11:07:34 pm
I do remember that one of the criteria in the old Southwest Conference for assigning the Cotton Bowl bid was "which team had been away from the Cotton Bowl the longest".  I think that was how Texas Tech got a bid one year.

At the mythical November 12th midnight meeting of the conference kahunas, the conference could just realize that Trinity has a Pool C bid sewn up and that DePauw's record would not likely get a Pool C bid.

That is a no-brainer...Declare co-champions.  Give the "A" to DePauw because Trinity had been there the previous year, and the year before that, and the year before that,  and the .... oh well you know what I mean, and let TU get the Pool C bid.  As it appears now, geographic proximty would have TU hosting the ASC runner-up anyway.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 30, 2005, 12:00:42 am
DPU and Trinity are not really playing in a 7-team conference this year because they've elected (rightly or wrongly...that's irrelevant now) to exclude one another. 

(a) You can't hang this on Trinity.  They were ready to play against anyone who showed up that day.  The decision to cancel was made by TPTB at DU.
(b) It is the conference (of seven teams) that will decide who its representative will be, not the individual schools involved.

Guys, chill out.  The conference IS working on a new tiebreaker and with luck it will be out before the weekend. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on September 30, 2005, 12:11:21 am
Ralph - they could have that game at the Dome and they may get a huge crowd if the price was right! The Bell game is pretty well hyped anyway, and a playoff game would be sheer madness.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 30, 2005, 12:29:21 am
Smedindy, I believe that the playoffs are under the complete auspices of the NCAA as outlined in the Handbook, including starting times and admission prices.

At least we got a quick response from Bonzo! 8)

Or maybe it was he who took my karma point! :'(

Gee, and I thought the post analyzing some conspiracy theories in the machinations of the SCAC was clever.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on September 30, 2005, 01:58:48 am
Ron, the problem is that any tiebreaker that the SCAC comes up wherein 7=-2 Depauw gets that AQ over 9-0 Trinity screws all other Pool C candidates.  If that's the tiebreak the SCAC had set up BEFORE this happened, then so be it.  After the fact, it's bogus. 

And I don't hang any of this on Trinity.  I'm all for tossing all blame on Depauw (I really don't like them at all), but I'm not sure that's fair either.  I really think, that unless the SCAC decides that the best overall record gets the AQ, the NCAA should toss both teams into Pool B.  If they both qualify and get bids that way, fine.  I don't like the SCAC being able to give a 7-2 team the AQ such that the conference can get two teams in the playoffs. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 30, 2005, 02:20:12 am
If that's the tiebreak the SCAC had set up BEFORE this happened, then so be it.  After the fact, it's bogus.

The conference has the right to determine its automatic bid however it sees fit. Some conferences have odd tiebreakers. Some have their teams only play partial schedules. Not sure either one has room to talk.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 30, 2005, 09:33:45 am
Ron, the problem is that any tiebreaker that the SCAC comes up wherein 7=-2 Depauw gets that AQ over 9-0 Trinity screws all other Pool C candidates. 

[...]  I don't like the SCAC being able to give a 7-2 team the AQ such that the conference can get two teams in the playoffs. 

I think you are allowing your hatred for DePauw to color this discussion.  First, you seem to be assuming that the SCAC is going to go out of its way to design the tiebreaker to give DePauw an advantage.  If the tiebreaker they come up with is the one Ralph mentioned (e.g. the team that hasn't been to the playoffs longest gets to go), then perhaps you have a point.  We haven't seen the tiebreak rules, though, and I doubt the SCAC is so desperate to get a second football team in the playoffs that it would use this as the primary rule.  Second, neither team has played a conference game.  That means neither team has a leg up and will be operating under the same rules to qualify for the conference's bid.  You can rest assured that the guys at TU will do whatever they can to deny the guys at DU the auto bid, as I would imagine the same could be said about the guys at DU. 

As others have stated, there is no assurance that either TU or DU will actually go undefeated, let alone both.   What if someone else should win the conference?  Should they have to get dumped into Pool B?  Should we be happy that Pool B gets "screwed" instead of (allegedly) Pool C?   Does that make things any better? 

Penalizing a conference because one of its members made a decision to keep its kids out of harm's way would be petty and counterproductive.   It would set a precedent the NCAA would probably rather not set.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 30, 2005, 09:53:26 am
To amplify the SWC tiebreaker that I mentioned, I don't have any problem with the last oneback there rule that gave Texas Tech the bid.  There was a 5-way tie in 1994 (and the Aggies were on probation) and Tech lost to Southern Cal in the Cotton Bowl 55-14.  Tech had not been to the Cotton Bowl since 1939.  After all of the criteria had failed to determine a winner, that "longest one out" was used instead of a coin flip.

http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/conference_champs/champions.php?conid=184
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on September 30, 2005, 10:04:02 am
If blame must be assigned, let's deflect it from either school and onto the true cause of the SCAC title problem.  Here are two choices:

1) Mother Nature:
For those earth-worshippers out there, Mother Nature concocted the wandering path of Hurricane Rita to frustrate and confuse D3Football fans and their respective teams.  By heading her at South Central Texas first, she made the DePauw PTB rightfully fear for the safety of their team.  By pushing her east late on Wednesday night, Mother Nature embarrassed the DePauw admins by causing the rest of us to doubt their "manhood" and "character" ... therein, the previous posting discussions about DPU's scheming motivation.  Mother Nature, meanwhile, giggles and shakes her head while scolding, "It's not nice to fool Mother Nature!" (as in the margarine commercial).

or, 2) The LORD God Almighty:
According to theist football fans, the Creator allowed Hurricane Rita to develop tremendous potential destructive force while out in the Gulf, but directed her to lesser populated areas thereby saving thousands (or perhaps millions) of homes and businesses, and potentially preserving many families from injury or death.  The fact that the last minute curve of the storm's path affected football game schedules and travel plans is simply incidental.  

Either way, remarkably, the thousands of Houston evacuees streaming west through our town on Thursday, then back east on Saturday, did not seem concerned about the SCAC tiebreaker situation.  The nerve of those selfish folks ...

Don't get me wrong ... I do love my football, but I imagine the SCAC situation will work out as it should in the end.  And if there's a bit of controversy along the way, well, that just gives us good fodder for the discussion board!   ;D

GO TIGERS ... BEAT THOSE ENGINEERS.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 30, 2005, 10:48:07 am
Many conferences use the so-called Rose Bowl Rule (they who have been out the longest get to go) to break the 'unbreakable' tie, for what it's worth.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on September 30, 2005, 11:36:54 am

How about this?

DePauw can't run the table.  Someone jumps up and bites them.  A lot of you folks were loving Millsaps in the preseason.  We all know that Trinity will be undefeated.  When they've lost in the past, the team that got lucky on that day was unable to capitalize. Trinity wins it with a better record, as they do every year. 

We're not going away. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 30, 2005, 11:53:54 am
Many conferences use the so-called Rose Bowl Rule (they who have been out the longest get to go) to break the 'unbreakable' tie, for what it's worth.

Yeah, I don't have a problem with it as long as it's the rule of last resort. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on September 30, 2005, 12:02:23 pm
If one of the other SCAC teams wins the conference, they will have earned the AQ because they played the full conference schedule.  So no, they shouldn't be tossed into Pool B.  My Pool B argument applies only to Trinity and Depauw because they are effectively playing in a six-team conference this year as a result of the decision to cancel the game.  Ron, you've said in another area on PP that the 7-team conference is what it takes to demonstrate adequate competency for a playoff bid.  

It's true that conferences can choose their playoff representative by any way they see fit, but there is some amount of integrity involved in doing so.  What's stopping the OAC from giving their AQ to the second place team and letting MUC "sweat out" the selection process?  Technically, they could do it but they don't because it isn't right.  What could happen here in the SCAC is similar, if to a lesser degree.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 30, 2005, 12:09:32 pm
Damn, dude, this is a freak occurrence caused by a storm that caused billions of dollars of damage and has now killed over 100 people.  Get off your high horse already.  There's no way  the NCAA is going to apply separate rules to a conference depending on who wins it.  I know you Wabash people don't like DePauw but this is getting ridiculous.   Go concentrate on the Monon Bell and leave the rest of us alone. 

And next time a hurricane impacts a wide swath of the OAC, let's talk.  The SCAC isn't "giving" their AQ to anybody. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on September 30, 2005, 12:32:35 pm
Wally - I agree, let it go. The SCAC can work this out amongst themselves. Someone will get the AQ and everyone will have to live with it. Let's just hope that DePauw doesn't feel slighted before the Bell game.

I don't see the analogy at all - you don't see a lot of this in D-1 because they have such and elongated season they can work games in November and even December.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on September 30, 2005, 12:34:15 pm
It's not that I don't care about the storm, Ron.  I do.  But what we need to realize here is that the NCAA doesn't have a conscience.  Time and time again, the NCAA has ruled against individuals and institutions regardless of their circumstance.  The NCAA pays no attention to freak occurrances.  

My problem here isn't so much with Depauw specifically as it is with the SCAC.  A two-loss Depauw team has no business whatsoever in the playoffs unless: 1) they've beaten Trinity and won the SCAC outright or 2) Depauw is the only undefeated team in the SCAC.  I would say the same thing if it were Rhodes or Millsaps or any other team from the conference...this case just happens to be Depauw.  The scenario is ripe for the SCAC to backdoor their way into two bids here, and the SCAC probably doesn't deserve two bids.  That's my gripe...not that it might be Depauw that gets in.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on September 30, 2005, 12:39:33 pm
The SCAC deserves two bids more than the NCAC, for sure. Last year DPU probably would have made an expanded playoff field.   And I don't think they'd backdoor their way into two bids, anyway. There's still a lot of football to be played and some 2-loss teams would have a strong case for a "C" at any rate.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 30, 2005, 01:50:18 pm
Stop it already!  I love all these assumptions about a 2-loss DePauw squad.  Last I checked they only have one loss, and a close one at that to a potential playoff team in Wesley.  Let's not jump the gun here.  They're a good team - let's leave it at that.  We have our own business to take care of against OWU tomorrow.  Let Trinity and DePauw worry about this.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on September 30, 2005, 03:33:31 pm
wabashcpa has recieved a standing ovation from the DePauw radio crew.  Anyone who assums that DePauw automatically has a two-loss schedule should see the following:

http://www.depauw.edu/ath/football/2004/images/111304/pages/DSC_1747.htm

In a completely unrelated story, WGRE's coverage of Chicago v. DPU starts at 12:30 central on Saturday.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on September 30, 2005, 04:05:18 pm
The greatest probability among the numerous possibilities is that TU and DPU end up as co-champs.  The SCAC deliberates the issue of the tie-breaker until 11pm  on Saturday November 12th, when they award the AQ to an 7-2 overall/6-2 South Region/5-0 SCAC DPU, which is smarting from the loss of the Monon Bell to Wabash. 

I was under the impression that the whole conversation here was under the auspice that Depauw would have 2 losses.  If Depauw goes 8-1, they probably have a decent claim at a bid, conference champion or not.  But 7-2, not so much...which brings into the equation any sort of scenarios under which the SCAC could award their AQ to Depauw instead of undefeated Trinity for no good reason which is why this discussion is both important and interesting.  It's all hypothetical.  Nobody is saying for sure that Depauw will go 7-2 and lose to Wabash.  Nobody is saying for sure that Trinity will go undefeated.  Nothing has been assumed here, we've just been discussing (at length) any number of what ifs. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dpuinaz on September 30, 2005, 04:07:45 pm
Classic post, radio guy.  I guess I'd probably bug around other regional boards, too if I had nothing to remember from college that didn't involve a beanie or a sheep.  It's good fun having the d-bags from up north poke around, though I'm surprised you guys are so wrapped up in discussion of the SCAC.  

It is nice to see a little life on this board; that much is for sure.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on September 30, 2005, 04:58:36 pm
Well, someone has to care. Why not us?

I didn't mean to totally imply (ok, maybe a little) that DPU would have two losses. It was just speculation that if the SCAC was played out to the end, a 2 loss team could make the playoffs anyway. But, if you recall, I WAS positive about their chances to making the playoffs with two losses (that they wouldn't get discarded automatically like chaff in the wind).

So there!

But don't get your hopes up about mid-November....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dpuinaz on September 30, 2005, 07:25:50 pm
Should be a good game...

As for you caring, my comments are certainly in jest.  It's always been a great rivalry and this year promises to be more of the same.  It is a shame TU and DPU aren't matching up -- would have been a thriller.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on October 01, 2005, 12:25:54 am
Yes, a small part of me was actually going to root for DPU against Trinity - much the same way I root for ANYONE in the OAC to beat Mt. Union.

But I said a "small" part of me...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dpuinaz on October 01, 2005, 12:57:11 pm
I'm not even going there....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 01, 2005, 03:11:38 pm
Millsaps v. Huntingdon update........

Not good news for the Majors......

Huntingdon 28 - Millsaps 7 with 1:29 to go in the first half......

Millsaps just got on the board.....
Just tuned in to the game......
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 01, 2005, 03:15:48 pm
DePauw 6, UChicago 0 4:33 2nd qtr (DU PAT blocked, DU missed 30yd FGA)
Huntingdon 35, Millsaps 7, halftime as the Hawks are rolling all over the Majors.
Trinity 7, Rose-Hulman 3 4:14 1st qtr
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 01, 2005, 03:25:35 pm
Ron beat me to the punch......

Huntingdon 35 -- Millsaps 7 at halftime
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 01, 2005, 03:32:13 pm
Consultant, I'll leave the Millsaps updates to you from here.

Centre 17, Sewanee 14, 2nd quarter (no time, score from RHIT radio)

Trinity's Dustin Allen stops Charley Key for a four yard loss on 4th and one, takes over at midfield as the first quarter ends.    Can't move the ball, get an INT inside the 20, stall (!), Trinity 10, Rose-Hulman 3, 8:14 2nd.

UChicago had a 4th and 1 deep in DePauw territory but couldn't covert.  Still 6-0 at the half. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 01, 2005, 04:08:13 pm
RHIT stops Trinity on a 4th-and-10 at the Engineer 30 with :48 left in the half, drive down to the TU 28, 45 yd FGA with the wind is good.  Trinity 10, Rose-Hulman 6 at the half. 

DePauw 19, UC 0, 9:56 3rd.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 01, 2005, 04:10:36 pm
Huntingdon 42 - Millsaps 14 with 2:08 to go in the 3rd quarter

Advice for Trinity next week.......umm umm......don't overlook the Hawks. 
Hungtingdon is doing something right.

   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 01, 2005, 04:31:47 pm
Huntingdon 42 - Millsaps 20  7:00 minutes to go in the game
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 01, 2005, 04:40:55 pm
Trinity takes the opening drive of the second half 75 yards, Ray Valencia finishes it off on a 3-yard dive.  17-6 Trinity with 8:42 remaining in the 3rd.  Jerrold Jones appears to have injured his left ankle on the drive and is out. 

Centre and Sewanee tied at 28 in the fourth. 

DePauw up 26-9 with 6:32 to play. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 01, 2005, 04:41:51 pm
For the second time today, Huntingdon just ran a interception back for a touchdown (80 some odd yards).  The Hawks lead Millsaps 49-20 with just over 4 minutes to go in the game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 01, 2005, 04:54:49 pm
Robert Kelner breaks several tackles and takes it 34 yards to put Trinity up 24-6 with 0:54 left in the 3rd
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 01, 2005, 05:00:34 pm
Millsaps scores a late touchdown

Final score Huntingdon 49 - Millsaps 27

Conference play starts next week for the Majors as they travel to Danville, KY, to take on Centre.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 01, 2005, 05:13:56 pm
DePauw 33, Chicago 9, final.

Ross Wiethoff   16-10- 3  122 yds  0TD
Jeremiah Marks 32 rush, 141 yds   2TD
Brian Culp      5 catches-49 yds
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CentreC6H0 on October 01, 2005, 05:18:40 pm
anyone hear of the Centre game?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 01, 2005, 05:20:35 pm
Sewanee is leading in the 4th, 31-28. 

WashU defeats Rhodes 15-10.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CentreC6H0 on October 01, 2005, 05:22:04 pm
is this game on the radio, or where can i find this information
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CentreC6H0 on October 01, 2005, 05:30:18 pm
any updates on the centre game
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 01, 2005, 05:37:51 pm
Trinity 24, Rose-Hulman 6, final.

Team   Player                AttCmpInt Yds TD Lg
TRINIT Jacob Cannon      27-18- 1  176  2 34
RHIT   Cameron Hummel  28-11- 2  102  0 21

----RUSHING----       #-Yds TD
TU-Ray Valencia        12-59   1
TU-Jerrold Jones       16-56   0
RH-Cameron Hummel  15-80   0
RH-Charlie Key          15-59   0

---RECEIVING--- #-Yds TD
TU-Robert Kelner   7-77   2
TU-Anthony Hicks  5-56   0
RH-Jason Dickey    4-43   0
RH-Dan Downey     4-40   0
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on October 01, 2005, 08:43:29 pm
Today was easily the best that Huntingdon has played. I think for the first time both the offense and defense played well from the start. The Hawks were able to put Millsaps in a hole early and never let them get anything going. If we can get this kind of effort next week we might be able to keep it close.

Go Hawks!! 4-0
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on October 02, 2005, 02:24:59 pm
If Huntingdon is as good as it looks, next Saturday's matchup against TU in San Antone should be a good one.  The DPU cancellation left a lot of us wondering if anybody benefits... guess only time will tell... TU will load up for Huntingdon, then take their bye week and load up again for the balance of the conference schedule.
Anybody have thoughts about Centre and Sewanee???  Contenders, or pretenders?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 02, 2005, 06:59:26 pm
If Huntingdon is as good as it looks, next Saturday's matchup against TU in San Antone should be a good one.  The DPU cancellation left a lot of us wondering if anybody benefits... guess only time will tell... TU will load up for Huntingdon, then take their bye week and load up again for the balance of the conference schedule.
Anybody have thoughts about Centre and Sewanee???  Contenders, or pretenders?

Disappointed to see JJ go down again yesterday ... had hoped the unexpected week off would give him a chance to get healthy.  Ray V looked good in relief, good to see the frosh (Baer) get in at the end.  He might get more playing time if JJ's injury is serious.

Huntingdon ... going to be a much tougher than originally expected game.  This is not the first long road trip they have taken - they defeated Colorado College in the Springs last season and played at SWAG two years ago.    Huntingdon still primarily a rushing team which does play to TU's defensive strength.   Millsaps was forced into a passing game yesterday, not their strength.  S/B a good one.   Huntingdon has to win to have much of a shot at a Pool B; Trinity needs to win in case to have the best chance at a pool C should it be necessary.

Looking at other stats:  HC has made 5 sacks, allowed 4 ... 28 tackles for loss (7 per game) ... three ball carriers averaging 40+ ypg, Willie Horn (68 ypg, 2 TD, 7 ypc), M Barfield (54.3 ypg, 2 TD), Adrian Daily (40 ypg) ... QB Zach Golson completes 52% of his passes, NO int's on the year, 138 yards/game  .. team is +9 on turnovers, primarily on the strength of 11 INTs in 139 attempts ... despite 4-0 record have only outgained opponents 1388-1366 (amazing what a few turnovers will do, eh) ... converting less than 1/3rd of third down attempts (16 of 52) ... cpponent's records a combined 6-11 (Trinity opponents record:  6-10)

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sampa on October 02, 2005, 08:29:33 pm
DePauw 33, Chicago 9, final.

Ross Wiethoff   16-10- 3  122 yds  0TD
Jeremiah Marks 32 rush, 141 yds   2TD
Brian Culp      5 catches-49 yds
Mike Turk is an excellent coach. He has done a remarkable job at Huntingdon the last two years and will do even better in the future. They are really stepping up their level of competition against Trinity on the road. A close game would say a lot about their program, and a win, even more.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on October 03, 2005, 10:47:38 am

I've not seen TU yet.  Does anyone know if they are truly not up to par this year?  A lot of teams with new starters at key positions take some time to work things out before they can really function on offense, then by the end of the season they're on fire. 

What does it look like?   Are they just not dominant or are they still in transition?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DWShortie on October 03, 2005, 12:27:56 pm
I wish that DePauw had the chance to play Trinity. Does anyone think that there will be a chance to make up the game? DePauw will give a good game to Trinity, and I beleive that my tigers can beat the them!!!! GO DEPAUW
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 03, 2005, 12:36:02 pm

I've not seen TU yet.  Does anyone know if they are truly not up to par this year?  A lot of teams with new starters at key positions take some time to work things out before they can really function on offense, then by the end of the season they're on fire. 

What does it look like?   Are they just not dominant or are they still in transition?

I would say that the team is making slow progress from game to game.  Defensively the are about where they normally are this time of year, maybe a little ahead.  Offensively the running game has not been terribly productive and the deep passing game really hasn't been there much.   They could have had another TD or two on Saturday with a little better production in the red zone.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on October 03, 2005, 02:51:07 pm
Shortie - we already discussed that and it looks like there is no chance it can be worked out.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pacman on October 03, 2005, 04:10:59 pm
RC is just miserable.  Another close loss.  It seems like every season, aside from Trinity, all of Rhodes' losses are very close games.  They can never get over the hump so to speak.  I think that kind of consistent losing is a direct byproduct of the coaches.  Some people are winners, others just never seem to find ways to win in dog fights.  Rhodes plays a sloppy brand of football, full of mistakes.  I think they are the most underachieving team in the SCAC year in and year out. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DanSwan on October 03, 2005, 05:44:07 pm
I think you don't have a clue what you are talking about
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dpuinaz on October 03, 2005, 06:14:21 pm
I can remember some pretty tough teams from RC -- just not as tough as TU or Centre's squads.  They've always had some talent in Memphis....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sampa on October 03, 2005, 09:52:29 pm
Trinity has an experienced offense and defense made up mostly of juniors and seniors with significant game experience except at the QB position. QB did not get much experience his first two years on the team  due to  the closeness of games when Desplanes was the QB. As he improves, the team improves. The offensive line is very experienced as are their running backs and receivers. Their personnel doesn't have quite the big play potential of some past teams but they are still very solid and good players. Their opponents have also improved their teams during the last couple of years, especially Austin College and Texas Lutheran, which use to be easy wins and often blow-outs.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 04, 2005, 12:51:23 am
Austin College is 0-4 and the closest they have come to winning a game all year was against Trinity in Week 1. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DePauw05 on October 04, 2005, 11:12:00 am
Is it just me, or is anyone else growing weary of the asinine comments, i.e. DePauw "passed" or "wimped out" in its decision to stay clear of Hurricane Rita? 

I ask those of you who make these comments, if you had to make a decision in light of what had just happened in New Orleans,  would you really have chosen to take buses and hotel rooms away from evacuees who needed them to escape  Hurricane Rita's path?  I enjoy my college football as much as the next guy, but let's have some sense of perspective here and move on.

As for a tiebreaker, it is a bit presumptuous to assume and plan for DePauw and Trinity being undefeated and deadlocked at the end of the season when DPU has not yet played a conference game.  However, don't think for a moment that DePauw players and fans aren't severely disappointed to miss a shot at knocking Trinity off the top of the SCAC this year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on October 04, 2005, 05:04:47 pm
News today that Seattle re-signed Urban.  Good luck to Jerheme and we all hope he sticks this time!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dpuinaz on October 04, 2005, 05:25:47 pm
Evidence:

DePauw has come close to unseating Trinity two years in a row and would be jacked out of their cleats to play this year's faded version of the black flag and somewhat deflated air attack.

If anyone should be relieved that the game is not being played, it's trinity, who had much less to gain and much more to lose.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 04, 2005, 05:27:21 pm
SCAC revised tiebreaker is out:

http://www.scac-online.org/football/fbtiebreaker.htm

The team with the best winning percentage against conference teams will be declared the conference champion. The conference champion receives an automatic bid to the NCAA Championship. For the 2005 season, with an unequal number of conference games being played, 5-1 shall be considered better than 4-1.

In the case of two or more teams tying for the conference championship, each team will be declared a co-champion and receive a trophy. To determine the representative to NCAA postseason competition and the recipient of the conference's automatic bid, the following criteria will be used as a tie-breaker.

A. Two Teams:
Head-to-head result from conference game played.

-If there is no head-to-head result, the team with the fewest overall losses will be declared as the recipient of the conference's automatic bid to the NCAAs.

-If there is no head-to-head result and if the tied teams have the same number of overall losses, then the percentage of each team's opponents' total overall record will be used. The team whose opponents have the higher win/loss percentage will receive the conference's automatic bid to the NCAAs.

-Coin toss.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on October 04, 2005, 06:16:49 pm
So if Trinity wins out, it will be SCAC champ.  DePauw will need to beat Wabash to make a strong case for a Pool C bid.  Just what the Bell game needs - more intensity.

 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DePauw05 on October 04, 2005, 06:18:12 pm
If DePauw should be fortunate to win out in the SCAC and tie with Trinity, the conference ruling clearly punishes DePauw for having a tougher schedule.  A close loss to Wesley, which is rolling at 5-0, and a tough Bell game yet to come against possible NCAC champ Wabash, stand in the way of DePauw coming out on top in this scenario tie-breaker.  If DePauw were to win out and be 8-1 at the close of the season, one would think they would be a strong at-large candidate.  But who knows how the NCAA would rule.

If DPU and Trinity are tied going into the last week of conference play, it's too bad they couldn't just flip-flop opponents.  DePauw could switch from traveling to Terre Haute to play a less meaningful game against Rose and instead go to San Antonio.  

This tie-breaker scenario clearly rewards a softer schedule.  It's a disappointing ruling for that reason.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 04, 2005, 06:21:20 pm
That's why they play the games -- or at least why they schedule them. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coachr on October 04, 2005, 06:29:36 pm
RC is just miserable.  Another close loss.  It seems like every season, aside from Trinity, all of Rhodes' losses are very close games.  They can never get over the hump so to speak.  I think that kind of consistent losing is a direct byproduct of the coaches.  Some people are winners, others just never seem to find ways to win in dog fights.  Rhodes plays a sloppy brand of football, full of mistakes.  I think they are the most underachieving team in the SCAC year in and year out. 

Hey Pacman,

I guess it is real easy to be an anonymous internet coward who can freely criticize people. Go look at the SCAC website and see what team had the defensive player of the week, underachievers my a**. What the write up  doesn't tell you is that on the two pass breakups, the wide receivers had to leave the game and both of those were in the 1st half, they never threw over the middle again, probably a smart move to not put any one else out of the game. There are those of us who will follow Rhodes college and their coaches and support them, I would very like to meet you someday, let me know if you ever follow a team that plays in Memphis. It can be tough when you have to play your 3rd QB because the first two are out with injuries, oh forgot, internet cowards don't probably know that. Hey, do me a favor and dress out for a game against Rhodes and run a crossing pattern over the middle about 3 -7 yards off the line of scrimmage, we won't hear your whining again.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wuapefkcud on October 04, 2005, 06:35:37 pm
Just wondering why historymajor deleted his post from last night?  I thought he made a good point.


When faced with a situation of considerable importance, why is it necessary to hastily make a decision?  I left out wrong decision just so you would focus on the fact that the decision to cancel the game was made on Thursday afternoon. 

I agree about being concerned for everyone’s safety.  That should be first and foremost, but let us deal with the full picture.  DePauw’s flights departed and arrived as scheduled.  Would airlines risk flying if they did not feel it was in the better judgment to do so?  No, they waited until they received further weather forecast and understood the movement  and projected path to realize that the flight was safe. 

San Antonio thrives on tourism.  Why does that matter?  Maybe it has something to do with the fact that there are over 180 hotels in the San Antonio area, and 24,726 hotel rooms in the City of San Antonio (27,728 in the San Antonio Metropolitan Area).  I think the reservations would have held.

As for the tiebreaker argument, you must be from DePauw to think that it would be presumptuous to have a contingency plan in place.  Most schools like to have their AQ parameters set in place.  Although, if DePauw followed your wait-and-see attitude and waited until at least Friday to cancel we wouldn’t be in this predicament. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 04, 2005, 07:39:54 pm
Per the SCAC's automatic bid, the Trinity faithful should beware the Huntingdon Hawks before they get too excited.  Sewanee, Rhodes, and Millsaps are all victims of a good Huntingdon team.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on October 04, 2005, 08:40:21 pm
wua...

Hindsight is always 20/20 - and I'd rather be safe than sorry.

(And again, I'd can't believe I'm defending the Dannies!)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on October 04, 2005, 11:41:58 pm
Good point, consultant.  Interesting twist.  As of today, DePauw's opponents have a better winning percentage than Trinity's.  The way Welsey and Wabash have been going, that will likely be the case at the end of the year as well (although Huntingdon actually helps Trinity in this area).  So if Huntingdon were to upset Trinity, and neither Trinity nor DePauw loses to other conference opponents, DePauw would win the tiebreaker with a Bell game victory.  A Bell game loss would give them two losses and probably end their season.  All or nothing.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: B/L Tiger on October 05, 2005, 02:28:49 am
I am in total agreeance with wua.  I really hope that we don't see an onslaught of angry DePauw folk crying about the tie breaker scenario.  While the situation was an unfortunate one for DePauw to deal with it was their choice not to come.  The tie-breaker plan does seem to ignore DPU's strength of schedule, but as the saying goes, the DPU Tigers have made their own bed and are going to have to lie in it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DesertLynx on October 05, 2005, 03:12:55 am
Coach R,

What is the QB situation for this weekend and what is the RB situation? 

DL
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Werner99 on October 05, 2005, 09:00:12 am
I think the tiebreaker is fair to all involved.  I don't know of a better solution.  This is in all likelihood a one-time event where two conference teams won't go head-to-head. 

However, the season is less than half over.  While it is intriguing to think about these scenarios, there is still a lot of football to be played. 

The bottom line is this: DePauw needs to focus on winning every game convincingly in order to prove that they are worthy of a Pool C bid.  If Trinity loses along the way, then so be it.  But if DePauw loses again, then all of this discussion about the tiebreaker, cancelled games, and soft schedules is moot at this point.

Appreciate all of the Wally interest on this topic.  Having never made the playoffs while I played at DePauw, I can't speak to the importance and excitement of a playoff game.  But, I do know that it couldn't mean more to this player than the Bell game.  The crowd, intensity, and simply knowing that you will never again strap on the pads after that game is over can not be topped.  I would expect making the playoffs would be something that you would grow to appreciate even more later in life when you look back at what you accomplished in a more rational manner.  Emotionally, the Bell game is the Playoffs on steroids.

Look forward to seeing you boys in Greencastle.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on October 05, 2005, 10:48:49 am
Somebody on page 24 said that DePauw would be "jacked out of their cleats"  to play Trinity after two close losses the last two years and that TU is lucky they don't have to play DePauw.  Wrong.  Trinity is in their heads.  They don't believe they can beat the San Antonio Tigers as much as they would like to do so.  They might get "jacked out their cleats," but getting that "jacked" is not always a good thing because you can spend all your energy in the first quarter. 

Even if they had played, it's too bad for DePauw that they have that head case because TU is at its most vulnerable right now.  Coach Mohr's group is not performing like the number 10 team in the country and I can't figure out why they keep moving up.  It hurts me to say it, but I think a handful of lower ranked teams would have scorched RHIT last weekend and had their backups play the whole 4th quarter.  It is my hope that they finally feel threatened this weekend and show up for four quarters.  I can't stand the thought of an upstart group coming in and sweeping our conference. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 05, 2005, 11:50:17 am
TU2698, unfortunately teams above Trinity lost last week. :) I have Ithaca and UW-La Crosse ahead of Trinity on my ballot, but I'm just one voter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dpuinaz on October 05, 2005, 02:33:27 pm
That was me.  They definitely believe they can beat Trinity.  They haven't yet, but they definitely believe that they can.  Please don't misunderstand me -- Trinity is not 'lucky' the game was not played, but they did have more to lose in playing that game, and significantly less to gain.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldrosie on October 05, 2005, 05:52:09 pm
TU2698;
  I was at this weeks game in Terre Haute and I must agree, TU really isn't the team its been in the past. RHIT is nursing a D-line problem and still trying to
get its passing game into high gear. TU rolls in at the number 12 spot in the nation and gets scored on first and blanked in the forth quarter. I'm aware
a win, no matter how ugly, is a win but they moved up in the ranks to boot.
I found its rise in the ratings a bit odd since RHIT was picked to finish last in
the SCAC this year. This could turn out to be a very interesting season .
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on October 05, 2005, 05:57:57 pm

I guess you're right, Trinity had a lot to lose because they pretty much have it all.  But I think DePauw is to Trinity what the Colts are to the Patriots.  NOt only does TU have slightly better players, DePauw has a mental block. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dpuinaz on October 05, 2005, 07:21:43 pm
Trinity has long been the front-runner, yes.  They are a very well-coached program.  DePauw's guys are excited to beat them, though.  And the fact is that many non TU fans predicted this to be the year that it would happen (I also  suspect that many TU followers feared this, as well).  In the end, we don't get to know the outcome, so it's easy for TU fans to speculate about DPU being scared to play them and spout off (ad nauseum) about our administration being frightened by the team, not the hurricane.  Give me a break. 

Look, my feeling is that if you are a fan of Trinity AND participating in discussions on this site, you either went there, go there or are related to someone falling into either the former or latter group.  If this is true, you probably also have a mental capacity high enough to understand that your team is frankly not that frightening.  Good?  Yes.  Beaten us steadily for over a decade?  Yes.  Worth cancelling a trip over?  Not  a chance.  You're simply not that good.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on October 05, 2005, 09:43:54 pm
INAZ,,, Maybe the intense, prolonged heat has affected your senses.... DPU could NOT afford to lose to TU.  It was a home game for TU, away for DPU.  If they had come to San Antone and won.... there was still the possibility that they wouldn't win out....  TU is rebuilding/reloading and some things are coming together faster than others,,, but until you beat TU,,, you're pi$$ing into the wind and by taking a pass... you dribbled on your own legs!
You CHOSE to take a pass and now it's 1-love TU.
SERVICE?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 05, 2005, 09:54:16 pm
History,

"Not yet crazy... but getting there fast!"

Some people might think you need to slow down.....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 05, 2005, 10:04:00 pm
Any comments on the Trinity/Huntingdon game?  Seems to me that this is the most intriguing game of the week.  Can a Trinity team that is trying to work out the kinks get things straightened out at home to play a team that seems to have no kinks and is 3-0 against SCAC teams?

I like Huntingdon by a touchdown.

Millsaps   at Centre       Millsaps wins by 10.....why not?

DePauw   at Sewanee        DePauw wins by 14 on the Mountain despite Sewanee's recent success

Rose-Hulman at Rhodes       Rose-Hulman by 3 in a close one in Memphis. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 06, 2005, 12:45:22 am
Any comments on the Trinity/Huntingdon game?  Seems to me that this is the most intriguing game of the week.  Can a Trinity team that is trying to work out the kinks get things straightened out at home to play a team that seems to have no kinks and is 3-0 against SCAC teams?

I'd like HC's chances better if they weren't primarily a running team.  TU's rushing defense is a strength and has held up well so far.   Doesn't mean the Hawks won't be able to run against Trinity, but they may not find the going as easy as last week.

The Hawks are a very young team (two seniors on the entire roster) so emotion will play a big part in the game.   TU will need to look out for the Hawks secondary (11 INTs in four games) to limit early turnovers and try to keep the emotion down.

People here may not be aware that Huntingdon defeated Rhodes even though Rhodes outgained them nearly 3:1.   Turnovers... so again, there is that opportunistic Huntingdon defense. 

I have to admit that I was very surprised to see the ease with which HC put down Millsaps, but Millsaps did have a QB starting his first-ever ball game.   Wish I could be there on Saturday ... I have other comittments and won't even be able to listen on radio.  Grr !!

What will these guys look like next season?  They don't graduate anyone (the two seniors aren't skill players, anyway).   If they don't get a Pool B this year, you'd have to think they'll be one of the major contenders next season. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on October 06, 2005, 12:56:32 am
History Major -

Take this as a life long enemy of DPU, one who has great antipathy for them everything they stand for.

You sir, are ludicrious if you think DPU 'ducked' Trinity because of the hurricaine.

If you are the typical Trinity fan, then I shake my head at what kind of institution has fans such as yourself, when you would declaim another institution from making a decision that affects the safety and well-being of their student athletes, knowing full well of the total unpredictability of gulf-based weather systems, and you sit here and say that they are ducking Trinity.

"I SAY GOOD DAY TO YOU SIR!"

Pat was right - you guys are nuttier than David Koresh. If you ever lose the SCAC - I'm afraid that you'd go on a mass killing spree claiming it's a conspiracy.

But of course, this is the same state that allowed Tom DeLay to DeDo what ever he DeWants, so I'm no DeSurprised at DeAll.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 06, 2005, 01:03:29 am
That's an awful wide brush you're painting with there, Smed.  Let's keep the unnecessary gratuitous insults to a minimum.  You have an issue with one poster's opinion,  fine.  Castigating everyone else associated with an institution based on that one opinion is not.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 06, 2005, 01:18:28 am
They may not be typical of the institution, but I count three posters, not one.  :-\
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on October 06, 2005, 01:54:17 am
If you look on the NCAC board, I'm always one decrying painting with a broad brush. And if you look, I said IF...but I've seen no real evidence to the contrary (mind you, being a message board the sample size is a bit low, for sure) that there's another side to the Trinity fans. Often times on the NCAC board I have to provide the antidote to the kool-aid. Who's serving that here?

And jeez...DPU fans...why does a Wabash man have to defend you?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 06, 2005, 09:49:14 am
If you look on the NCAC board, I'm always one decrying painting with a broad brush. And if you look, I said IF...but I've seen no real evidence to the contrary (mind you, being a message board the sample size is a bit low, for sure) that there's another side to the Trinity fans. Often times on the NCAC board I have to provide the antidote to the kool-aid. Who's serving that here?

I'm a Trinity fan (& alumnus) too, Smed.   I don't think the bulk of my posts here constitute the behavior you find objectionable.  And, as you say, why is someone from Wabash lecturing SCAC posters? 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 06, 2005, 10:21:28 am
"I have to admit that I was very surprised to see the ease with which HC put down Millsaps, but Millsaps did have a QB starting his first-ever ball game.   Wish I could be there on Saturday ... I have other comittments and won't even be able to listen on radio.  Grr !!"

Bedtime,

Millsaps baffles me somewhat this season as well, but in their defense, they did not have a starting QB and Tyson Roy was still out with an injury, two keys to moving the ball on offense.  As you said with HC, Millsaps is also a young team, and maybe they need another year under their belt before things really improve?  I wish this was their year, but before I speak anymore on it, they have not even played a SCAC game yet, anything could happen.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on October 06, 2005, 10:25:39 am
Because the Dannies won't BFB. And some part of me has to speak up when someone is being accused of something ludicrous.

I didn't say YOUR posts were the ones I find objectionable. I DID call out the poster that I found objectionable. I think someone from Trinity should police their own - I do at the NCAC board when one our guys gets a little nutty. Otherwise, people think the whole school is nuts.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 06, 2005, 10:58:04 am
Maybe it's the fact that you "always fight" :)

Wabash Always Fights!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pacman on October 06, 2005, 11:31:44 am
I stand by what I said regarding Rhodes Football.  Hey Swanstrom, how can you not think the team underachieves.  Your senior year they went 5-5 coming off of a 7-3 season.  Rhodes should have been WAY better.  And take that 7-3 season; a great year, certainly, but still, three close, close losses.  Could have been 10-0 and in the playoffs.  My point is this: Rhodes is always competitive (most Trinity games not with standing), they just never find ways to win those close games.  At some point, its not bad luck, it is systemic.  That falls on the coaching staff, period. 

Rhodes should compete for conference titles every season.  They have a recruiting advantage over every school (Best academic school in the SCAC, rankings be damned, beautiful campus (now with new library), in an urban setting, etc.)  They should rake in great talent year after year, but they are not.  Pretty disappointing for Rhodes people I would think. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pacman on October 06, 2005, 11:38:08 am
Hey coachr,

I couldn't give a sh*t what you think of my post.  Yeah, Steinert had a great game.  What the hell is your point?  He certainly didn't underachieve, but a team is far more than one player.  My post was refering to the program in general, not individual performances.  Get a clue.  Similarly, in my last post, my reference to Swanstrom wasn't to suggest he underachieved; he was always top notch.  I was instead refering to the program during his senior year.  He was not the problem. 

By the way, is there anything more cowardly than threats made by faceless posters on internet boards?  No chance.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 06, 2005, 11:55:09 am
I didn't say YOUR posts were the ones I find objectionable. I DID call out the poster that I found objectionable. I think someone from Trinity should police their own - I do at the NCAC board when one our guys gets a little nutty. Otherwise, people think the whole school is nuts.

Which is it?  Your broad brush says

... I've seen no real evidence to the contrary (mind you, being a message board the sample size is a bit low, for sure) that there's another side to the Trinity fans.

Your two posts are directly in contradiction of each other.  If my posts are not objectionable, then you have found "evidence to the contrary" that "there's another side to the Trinity fans."  That's the core of my objection to your recent posts. 

Every school has people who go a bit far (look at newbie "pacman," slamming Rhodes totally out of the blue).  I'm not HM's mother, and it's not my place to tell him what he can and cannot post.   I do wish that some of my fellow Trinity posters would exercise more discretion (including this specific case), but the same can be said of posters supporting schools all over the D3football.com boards.   The folks who you object to here are hardly alone in letting their enthusiam for a program carry them too far.   Let the DU folks carry their own flag - they're big boys.   They might even want to focus on a future (that includes an even more must-win against Wabash) rather than a past that can't be changed.

That's the last I'll say on this topic, though it's a free country bulletin board and you of course are welcome to respond.   :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on October 06, 2005, 12:14:57 pm
I may have painted the brush a little broadly, but frankly, it's been a while and there's still allusions (directly and indirectly) pointed at DPU, which I think is ridiculous.

I had also thought that early on you were quite critical of the DPU decision. You were, but you retracted it and I forgot the retraction.

Hatched, buried. Moving on...



Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on October 06, 2005, 01:03:03 pm
Smed, et al.... I do believe that maybe DePauw chose not to come to San Antonio out of a 'better safe than sorry' mindset.  What I objected to, and continue to defend is my belief that Trinity and the SCAC offered ideas to reschedule and it was DPU that CHOSE not to.  Ducking a hurricane is a safety issue, CHOSING not to reschedule, well you draw your own conclusions.
I too, will drop the issue and hope that the end of the season doesn't prove to unfairly deprive either of an NCAA bid if TU or DPU deserve it.  To me the best scenerio would be to have both get in, and have to face each other in the first round (in San Antone) where the original game was supposed to be played.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DesertLynx on October 06, 2005, 01:03:59 pm
Hatched- buried !.......That is awful!

I'm calling PETA!

 ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dpuinaz on October 06, 2005, 03:15:33 pm
I love this stuff.  I check this board once or twice a day when I should be working, so sorry for the delay in responding to you, History Major.

The heat does get to me, yes.  It sucks in the summer and I miss the Indiana falls.  I also miss getting up for games against both Trinity and Wabash.  Call me Al Bundy, but this time of year is bittersweet for me.  Oh, and for the record, we never 'feared' your squad.  Maybe we should have, because in my time we took some nasty beatings on your campus, but we always circled the date we got to play you as the focal point of our early season.  I just think that you're a little confused to think that we would skip an opportunity to knock off the only team we have shown an inability to beat.  It's just crazy.  I'm not sure what you think they put in the water in Greencastle, but the boys up there are much like any other group of fellas who have come very close to meeting their objective the past two years -- they want to go back and finish what they started.

Don't be a tool.  Also, thanks smed for being above your hatred of DPU enought to tell the boys from Texas to settle down.  See you in G-castle for the Bell Game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on October 06, 2005, 03:31:32 pm
Rhodes should compete for conference titles every season.  They have a recruiting advantage over every school (Best academic school in the SCAC, rankings be damned, beautiful campus (now with new library), in an urban setting, etc.)  They should rake in great talent year after year, but they are not.  Pretty disappointing for Rhodes people I would think. 

Agreed that there is too much talent in the Memphis area not to get some, even if by accident, that would put you over the hump in the SCAC.  Rhodes campus is nice, although I wouldn't want to stray too far off campus by foot.  I would put Rhodes and DePauw in the same boat academically, with Rose-Hulman in a different boat because of their specialization in engineering.  Midtown, Beale Street, and Rendezvous over Greencastle?  Hmmm.... :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on October 06, 2005, 03:49:57 pm
Dog gonnit History Major!  This is a poster's arrest!  I'm policing you to not be a tool!  I don't mean to paint with a broad brush, but that goes for the rest of you TU posters.   Except me of course. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on October 06, 2005, 05:45:00 pm
WGRE starts coverage of DPU/Sewanee on 12:30 Saturday.

Also, if everyone from DePauw, Trinity, and the SCAC wants a bowl of ice cream, and there's no ice cream stand around, nobody gets ice cream.  DePauw wanted to reschedule as bad as TU did.  There's no ducking in the issue.  Perhaps...and just perhaps...everybody tried and it didn't work.

Maybe if TU would have played DPU on a neutral site when the game was supposed to be played...we wouldn't be in this whiny mess now would we?  There's as much ducking on your side as our side.  Rumor around my campus is that TU wouldn't play unless it was in San Antonio.  No Memphis, no Greencastle, no Crawfordsville (which was my vote...probably get more TU fans there than you would in San Antonio), or any parts in between.

That being said, none of this matters if Trinity doesn't lose.  If TU takes care of their own business, everything will be smiley faces, rainbows, and bunnies  >:( because TU will win the conference again. I can't wait.....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on October 06, 2005, 05:59:42 pm
No Memphis, no Greencastle, no Crawfordsville (which was my vote...probably get more TU fans there than you would in San Antonio), or any parts in between.

 :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on October 06, 2005, 08:41:04 pm
why should Trinity give up a home game?  If it was going to be made up, they have every right to want it to be at home.  Besides, travel plans are very hard to make for that many people with such little notice.  Say all you want about the crap floating around your campus, but that is as stupid as Trinity people (I'm talking to you, historymajor) saying DPU ducked TU.

I sure hope DePauw comes down to San Antonio next year.  It would be unjust to send the S.A. Tigers up there in what essentially amounts to 2 years in a row.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 06, 2005, 09:20:01 pm
I sure hope DePauw comes down to San Antonio next year.  It would be unjust to send the S.A. Tigers up there in what essentially amounts to 2 years in a row.

Nope, those are the breaks.  "Unjust" is what happened to people on the gulf coast.  This is just football. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 07, 2005, 04:57:56 am
Amen, BfB. Since Hurricane Rita was pointed at me and my family, then turned away, I am thankful for mercy and grace ... football is just a bonus. Ice cream is good too, am I right, Bonzo? Make mine Blue Bell.  ;D
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Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 07, 2005, 09:34:18 am
Tigerdad, one karma to you for that great photo of Bonzo eating Blue Bell ice cream! :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DesertLynx on October 07, 2005, 11:36:47 am
Hey smart admin/computer  guys, somethng that would be extremely helpful on this site would be a map of the Unites States with each school represented in their state.  It is very difficult to get your mind around where all these schools are from and a single visual source would be handy.

Just a thought.

DL
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 07, 2005, 12:02:46 pm
Tigerdad, one karma to you for that great photo of Bonzo eating Blue Bell ice cream! :)

I do like my ice cream, tho' I prefer Braum's to Blue Bell.  Make mine chocolate chip cookie dough  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 07, 2005, 12:09:07 pm
Desert Lynx:

This is actually on our to-do list and is made easier by some things Google has done lately but it's far down on the depth chart compared to some of the more important day-to-day things.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 07, 2005, 12:20:40 pm
I do like my ice cream, tho' I prefer Braum's to Blue Bell.  Make mine chocolate chip cookie dough  ;D

That's a good choice, but I am recommending this flavor for you, BfB:    ;)
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Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 07, 2005, 03:15:48 pm
... something that would be extremely helpful on this site would be a map of the United States with each school represented in their state.

Click the thumbnail image below to view the full-size SCAC map in a new window...
(http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/634/scacmap5wq.th.gif) (http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/634/scacmap5wq.gif)

NOTE: Austin College (SCAC next year) and Huntingdon (frequent SCAC opponent) are included.
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Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 07, 2005, 03:20:59 pm
TigerDad, that looks great.  I am sure that Pat would appreciate your submiting a bid when the RFP comes out.

Doing it within the D3football.com budget is critical, but I am certain that there are numerous talented individuals who might accept compensation in "karma" points or promotion to Hall of Fame status. ;D

Now just create a separate one for Basketball adding Hendrix, Southwestern and Oglethorpe! ;)

(Also, the Huntingdon people love the assocation with the SCAC!)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 07, 2005, 03:24:59 pm
Indeed.

So what does RFP stand for? :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 07, 2005, 03:32:59 pm
Indeed.

So what does RFP stand for? :)

Stolen from the 'net:

Short for Request for Proposal, a document that an enterprise sends to a vendor inviting the vendor to submit a bid for hardware, software, services, or any combination of the three. An organization typically issues the RFP in order to assess competing bids.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on October 07, 2005, 04:15:30 pm
Now just create a separate one for Basketball adding Hendrix, Southwestern and Oglethorpe! ;)

(Also, the Huntingdon people love the assocation with the SCAC!)

You threw me for a second with Southwestern, as Rhodes used to be known as Southwestern many moons ago.  I see the Southwestern you refer to is in Texas.

As far as Hendrix and Oglethorpe, I was just thinking, "Boy, wouldn't it be great if the SCAC could expand into Georgia and Arkansas, since their current geographic coverage really isn't sufficient?"  Glad I'm not the one making those road trips!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 07, 2005, 04:20:43 pm
Imagine how much worse things get if, in its drive to add two more members, the SCAC adds Colorado College and Huntingdon ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 07, 2005, 04:23:25 pm
I must point out that Millsaps does not have the correct color designated to it, the school colors are purple and white, not royal blue, but a nice graphic nonetheless!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on October 07, 2005, 04:41:30 pm
Ron, your worst case scenario is more like Austin College used to play in my tenure at AC (1967-1971) as an independent.  During my four years we played Southwestern (Rhodes) , Colorado College, Sewanee,  what was then United States International in San Diego, CA, Texas Lutheran, Nebraska Weslayan,  William Jewell,  Northwood Institute (Dallas), and University of Mexico (now that was a road trip)  ;D  I am sure there were a couple of others that do not come to mind right away.

While they were long trips, they were a great experience for a city boy who grew up in the East End of Houston.  I am sure that this will still hold true for a lot of young kids today.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 07, 2005, 05:51:08 pm
Pat, I am not trying to interfere with your business model, but you have THE web site for D3football! :)

Columbus Multimedia...gone
Don Hansen..you got him beat.
NCAA...different focus.

And with the karma points, you can print karma points like the US Treasury! ;)

Why there are probably web designers in some elite D3 football power house who would love to be the exculsive vendors for a web site whose 15th Million hit will arrive this month!

Have him/her do 21 conference maps for football, 4 more for the regions another one for the independents and then maybe an extra one for Stagg Bowl winners! ;D

On the Hoops' site, both men and women conferences, roughly 40 each, 8 more regions each, one for the independents and Bumblin' B's and finally Final Four teams...

All total, let's say 130-140 maps, all for karma!

I think you have a winner here! 8)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 07, 2005, 10:17:04 pm
Huntingdon 'picking' right time of year to be peaking (http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051007/SPORTS/510070378/1002) from the Montgomery, AL Advertiser. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DesertLynx on October 08, 2005, 05:53:35 am
TIgerDad et al..., although I truly appreciate the SCAC map, Really.   Being a Lynx fan the SCAC is not the one I need.  I think it is safe to say that all the regular posters on the SCAC board know where the schools are. 

Its the other 200 + schools like Alfred?  Hartwick? (and please don't tell me where the schools are in your reply because these individual schools are not the point) 

I just made the point that itwould be nice to see where all of "the other" schools in the country are.  To clarify I do know where the SCAC schools are, and I do appreciate the map of the SCAC, however it is the vast majority of the other conferences that I do not know but would like to.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 08, 2005, 02:43:43 pm
Trinity drives from their 20 to the 3 but three rushing attempts from there net only one yard, 19-yd Altman field goal is good to give the Tigers an early 3-0 lead.   Cannon 7-8 on the opening drive.

Hawk defense seems very quick - not much yardage allowed after the catch. 

Huntingdon marches from their 15 to the Trinity 12 but a pitch goes awry, Trinity recovers.  Key play on the drive, a 45-yard post pattern run by Mark Colson.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on October 08, 2005, 02:47:07 pm
I've been fortunate enough to listen to the opponents' call in each of the games that I've followed for Trinity.  I didn't realize how privileged I was until I started listening to the TU broadcast today.  This is absolutely gut wrenching.  I didn't get their names, but they are awful.  The color guy is an ex-kicker.  

There are long periods of silence, and since I can hear the Huntingdon Broadcast in the background, it actually works out that the Trinity staff is interrupting my attempts to follow the game.  

I tried to get the Huntingdon broadcast instead, but for some reason it's not working.  We must really have the best fans in the country if we're going to endure this for three hours.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on October 08, 2005, 02:50:13 pm
I can't get the Huntingdon feed either. Listening to TU announcer's too.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on October 08, 2005, 02:52:19 pm
HC loses fumble in red zone.  >:(
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 08, 2005, 02:58:11 pm
I didn't get their names, but they are awful.  The color guy is an ex-kicker.

It's student radio.  Trinity doesn't pay guys to come in and do their broadcasts. 

End of the quarter, still 3-0.  Trinity starting to get the running game going, down to the Hawks 30. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on October 08, 2005, 03:02:19 pm

Must be a down year.  I've heard some guys in there do an excellent job.  Hopefully the 200 million dollar capital campaign will pay for some training for the future broadcast team. 

They could start by telling them that when a qb scrambles out of the pocket, it's not a draw. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 08, 2005, 03:05:35 pm
Trinity gets down inside the ten but again stall - lot of running in the red zone today for some reason.  Another chipshot FG makes it 6-0. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on October 08, 2005, 03:06:58 pm
HC also doesn't have a running back named Horton. But they haven't given a number so I don't know who it is. I think I heard the HC announcers in the background say Horn so that may be who it is.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on October 08, 2005, 03:20:59 pm
HC five yard TD pass to go up 7-6 with I think 4:20 left in 2nd qtr.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 08, 2005, 03:21:39 pm
Colson gets open and gets 53 on a pass from Golson, then Golson finds Broderick Smith for six.  PAT is good, Huntingdon leads 7-6 with 4:20 left in the half.   That's twice Golson has burned TU deep. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on October 08, 2005, 03:29:25 pm
Just able to get HC radio feed if interested.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 08, 2005, 03:33:35 pm
Ahh, cool, interview with Huntingdon's president coming up. Wonder how much he knows about Division III football. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 08, 2005, 03:39:01 pm
Huntingdon adds a 35 yd FG as time runs out to take a 10-6 lead at the half.  Trinity has not been able to get much pressure on Golson today, definitely not helping the home team's cause.

Halftime stats:

1st downs HC 10, TU 12
Rushes-yds HC 17-62, TU 18-63
Passing HC 8-13-0, TU 13-19-0
Plays-yds HC 30-240 TU 37-174
yds/play HC 8.0 TU 4.7
Penalties HC 3-33 TU 0-0
Possession HC 13:54 TU 16:06
3rd down HC 4/6 TU 6/10

Indiv stats

Huntingdon

Rushing Horn 6-27, Colson 3-17, Martin 5-14, Golson 3-4
Receiving Colson 4-82, Godwin 2-73, B. Smith 2-23 1TD

Trinity
Rushing Cannon 7-27, Valencia 6-18, Hicks 1-11, Jones 4-7
Receiving Kelner 4-28, Hicks 3-40, Kremers 2-23, Jones 2-8, Valencia 1-6, Thomson 1-6

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on October 08, 2005, 03:39:20 pm
Cody Lange 35 yd FG to give HC 10-6 lead at the half.

GO HAWKS!!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 08, 2005, 04:04:42 pm
Hawks radio call is about 30-45 seconds (about two plays) behind realtime.  Kind of annoying if you are following the live play-by-play too.   

Gotta say the HC punters and kickers are doing an impressive job today. 

Blake Barmore in at QB for Trinity ... but fumbles at midfield, Hawk ball. 

Defense gets a sack on 3rd and 10 from the TU 37, Barmore will start at the 15. 

Get into the red zone, snap over Barmore's head loses 13, can't convert; 45 yd FGA is wide left.  Still 10-6 with 4:48 left in the 3rd.

TU defense gets another big sack on 2nd and long, take over at midfield after the punt. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 08, 2005, 04:31:45 pm
4th quarter.

Trinity gets it inside the 20 again, short run, short run, incomplete pass, 25-yd FG is good.  10-9 14:49 remaining.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on October 08, 2005, 04:33:26 pm
Man this is intense. May have to double my blood pressure medicine tonight.   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 08, 2005, 04:37:07 pm
Ron, it would be easier if you could do the play by play on the radio! :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 08, 2005, 04:43:30 pm
heh.  Easier to type.

Trinity defense holds again, punt is shanked, TU takes over at the Hawks 43.   

Deliberate drive, Barmore mixes some running in with his passing. finally culminates in a 4-yd completion to Valencia.  Looks like they are going for two...  Barmore is stopped short.   15-10 Trinity with 6:30 left.

Barmore is 7-8 for 53 yds in relief of Cannon.  Cannon did get his hand popped in the first half but stayed in the game at that point. 

Huntingdon starts at their 25, Golson finds Mark Colson in Trinity territory at the 45. 

Golson suffers his first interception of the year on a deep pass.  Trinity ball at their 14; 4:34 remaining.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU54 on October 08, 2005, 05:01:27 pm
DPU over Sewanee 34-0 End score.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 08, 2005, 05:04:10 pm
Trinity keeps it on the ground, big first downs by Jones (2) and then Barmore carries it for 13 to get a first down with 30 seconds left.    Trinity survives 15-10.  Game ball to the defense which played much better in the second half, and Barmore for very good play in relief.  Stats to follow.

Hawks are scary this year, will be even moreso next year.  Good game, Huntingdon, and good luck the rest of the seasson!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on October 08, 2005, 05:06:02 pm
Well, TU got the win, but more importantly, the Mr. Nuerberger, the play-by-play guy, really loosened up as the game went on, and I if no one else found him tolerable in the 2nd half.  

Hats off to HC.  Good group on both sides of the ball.  It's just really tough to beat Trinity.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on October 08, 2005, 05:07:51 pm

Sorry, Nuerenberg.  Can someone tell us what happened to Cannon?  Looks like Blake can do the job too. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on October 08, 2005, 05:09:15 pm
Well, we had some chances but just couldn't get any offense going in the second half. Sounded like there were a couple of dumb penalties to keep Trinity drives going then the bad punt late in the game to give TU great field position killed us. We did show we can play with some of the big boys now. Maybe we can make some noise next year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 08, 2005, 05:11:45 pm
Interesting to hear he thinks Huntingdon is only in its second year of football. What did I miss?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 08, 2005, 05:16:47 pm

             HC    TRINITY
1st Downs    14       25
Rushes-Yds 34-86    42-189
Pass Yds    217      164   
Passing   11-21-1  20-27-0
Plays      55-303   69-353
Avg/play    5.5      5.1 
Kick ret    3-52     0-0
Punt ret    2-22     4-61
Fumb-Lost   1-1      3-1 
Penalties   5-63     0-0
Punts      5-35.6   2-39.5
Possession 27:15    32:45
3rd-Dn Eff  7/14     9/15
4th-Dn Eff  0/0      0/0

Rushing:
HUNTINGDON:  Horn 12-66, Martin 9-22, Colson 4-18, Daily 2-4, Godwin 1-(-4), Golson 6-(-20).
TRINITY:  Jones 12-58, Valencia 10-51, Cannon 7-27, Hicks 2-25, Barmore 6-19, Plotnick 4-8, Thompson 1-1.

Passing:
HUNTINGDON:  Golson 11-21-1  217 yds, 1 TD
TRINITY:  Cannon 13-19-0 111 yds; Barmore 7-8-0 53 yds, 1 TD

Defensive:
HUNTINGDON:  Jemison 7 tackles (5 solo), Whitehead 7 (3), Patterson 7(1, 1 for loss), Hudson 6 (6), Shook 6(4), Knight 6(3).
TRINITY:  Palmertree 9 tackles (5 solo); Allen 9(4; 2 QBH); Garcia 8 (3, 2 for loss); Flynn 7(2, 2 for loss).

Sacks:
HUNTINGDON Miller 1-7
TRINITY:  Flynn 1-10, Koch 1-5, McAdams 1-6.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 08, 2005, 05:17:54 pm
Interesting to hear he thinks Huntingdon is only in its second year of football. What did I miss?

Yeah, not sure where that "two year" comment came from.  THey have two seniors on the roster, too.  HC has done an impressive enough job, don't need to try and make it even more impressive.   :D

In case you were asking "what did I miss in the 2nd half:"

Trinity defense decided to play in the 2nd half; offense  (with second string QB Barmore starting the 2nd half) made enough plays to win despite problems getting it in the end zone.  Trinity seemed to call a VERY conservative game to neutralize HC's secondary.

HC had 240 yds in first half, 63 in second.  Give the defensive coordinator a cigar for the adjustments made in the locker room.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 08, 2005, 05:28:44 pm
Centre 38, Millsaps 10
Sounds like a close one between Rhodes and RHIT.  Rose is leading by less than a TD, Rhodes is driving, less that 1:30 remaining. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sampa on October 08, 2005, 05:30:13 pm
Reply to Pat Coleman: alright, so Huntingdon's is actually in its 3rd year, but only the second year with their current coach, Mike Turk.They went 0-7 first year playing most of their games on the road and having a hard time scheduling anybody to play them. Not sure if Trinity has scheduled a return visit next year, but if so, Huntingdon's chances will be good for a win with only two seniors on this year's team. Also, since  they are the only D-III team in the entire State, and very few D-III teams, if any, in Florida and Georgia, which are heaving recruited areas for them, they will only get better over time. If there is such a thing as a moral victory, HC got one today. :-X
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 08, 2005, 05:32:46 pm
1:06 left in regulation, Rhodes scores to tie it at 13-all.  The Lynx converted two fourth downs to keep the drive alive.

Two timeouts left for Rose.

0:53 Hummell pass completion to midfield for RHIT. 
0:46 pass complete to the Rhodes 43, OOB.
0:41 Key carries it for a first down at the 39.
0:32 Robinson catches, OOB, ball at the 31.
0:25 Hummel keeper, first down at the 27, OOB.
0:17 Hummel draw to the 13, flag - PF face mask, Lynx.  Ball at the seven.   Time out Rose-Hulman.
0:07 Key loses a few yards on a sweep to right side.  28 yd FGA ... kick good! 

Rose takes a 16-13 lead with 0:02 remaining!  Lynx can't make the laterals work so Rose-Hulman wins.  Congrats Engineers!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldrosie on October 08, 2005, 05:45:25 pm
Rose-Hulman   16    Rhodes   13   Final ................Sweet !!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 08, 2005, 05:54:43 pm
Reply to Pat Coleman: alright, so Huntingdon's is actually in its 3rd year, but only the second year with their current coach, Mike Turk.They went 0-7 first year playing most of their games on the road and having a hard time scheduling anybody to play them. Not sure if Trinity has scheduled a return visit next year, but if so, Huntingdon's chances will be good for a win with only two seniors on this year's team. Also, since  they are the only D-III team in the entire State, and very few D-III teams, if any, in Florida and Georgia, which are heaving recruited areas for them, they will only get better over time. If there is such a thing as a moral victory, HC got one today. :-X

Thanks. I am aware of the Huntingdon program and the state of Division III in the sourtheast. It's what I do. :)

I just figured the radio guy should have more of a clue. Shouldn't be spreading misinformation. Duane Trogdon's year as head coach still counts.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on October 08, 2005, 05:57:30 pm
the biggest difference between the first and second halves, from the standpoint of someone in the stands:  TU missed a lot of tackles in the first half, and seemed to have trouble getting into the correct defensive alignment before the snap (I could hear a TU coach yelling about that) which led to all of Huntingdon's points.  They seem to have ironed out all the wrinkles at halftime, because the only big play for the Hawks after that was a 25 yard catch on 3rd down on a perfectly placed pass by Huntingdon's QB.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on October 08, 2005, 06:42:21 pm
ttu719803 and Bonzo,
Also was at the game; the Tigers did call a VERY conservative game but 42 carries for 189 yards = 4.5 yards per, thats darn good for most any Trinity team. What's missing, the passing yardage (mileage) from the past?

The Hawks did give the Tigers a whale of a game; when does HC play the other Tigers (DPU)---cough? 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 08, 2005, 07:11:08 pm
etg, I think that DPU plays Huntingdon when the Hawks are invited to join the SCAC. ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 08, 2005, 10:15:37 pm
I believe that Huntingdon has exhausted its SCAC schedule for 2005.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on October 08, 2005, 11:07:23 pm
I heard him talking about HC being in it's second year too. Sounded like he was talking to someone and not realizing he was on the air but I am not sure what he was thinking. It was also irritating that he spent the whole second half talking about next week's homecoming game against SAGU. Um, we play Colorado College next week.
So, Pat and others, does today's loss pretty much kill our chances at a playoff spot or could we still get in there by winning our last four and getting some help along the way?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 08, 2005, 11:14:03 pm
hawks88, Huntingdon is in Pool B.  We must look for the outcome of the members of the Pres AC, the ACFC and the Northwest Conference to compare how you will stack up for the 4th Pool B bid.

Please follow the Pool B message board on the General Football page.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 09, 2005, 12:48:34 am
So, Pat and others, does today's loss pretty much kill our chances at a playoff spot or could we still get in there by winning our last four and getting some help along the way?

You need help.  You only have eight D3 games, and that's all that the selection committee is going to consider.   7-1 would not be as impressive as 9-1, and the teams you are fighting for those last spots are going to be 9-1.  Also, the SCAC teams you defeated all lost today, meaning your QoW index is going down.  QoW is one of the keys the NCAA looks at.   Don't think it's going to happen this year unless a lot of the other Pool B contenders lose twice.  You could get thrown into Pool C, but even then you are going to have problems competing with one-loss teams. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 09, 2005, 12:52:52 am
BTW for anyone who didn't hear on the broadcast, HC bused to the Trinity game.  That's 830 miles, folks, and they were going straight through after dinner tonight.  Ouch. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 09, 2005, 10:40:51 am
San Antonio Express-News story (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/localcolleges/stories/MYSA100905.12C.FBCtrinity.gamer.34585bc.html) on the Trinity win.  Cannon is listed as having suffered a concussion.

Montgomery Advertiser story (http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051009/SPORTS/510090347/1002) on the Huntingdon loss.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DesertLynx on October 09, 2005, 11:56:11 am
My lynx have 4 losses by a total of 16 pts.  Many might (and one guy on this forum did) think that this shows a problem with coaching. 

I view this from a different perspective.....This team is going to accomplish great things in the very near future.   They are extremely young and the timing etc of the offense is going to get better. 

The defense has shown improvement every week, just looking for a complete 60 minute game.

Keep fighting Lynx,  and this thing is gonna turn around!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 09, 2005, 12:55:07 pm
Ron, how good is Huntington?  Did I read correctly that this is their 3rd year.  Seems like a good performance for a new program.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 09, 2005, 03:37:19 pm
Ron, how good is Huntington?  Did I read correctly that this is their 3rd year.  Seems like a good performance for a new program.

Coach Turk (in his second year at a third year program) has done a very good job with the Hawks.  They are young (2 seniors) and should be very tough next year.  Probably shouldn't have won the Rhodes game but got the turnovers to make it work.  I think they are ahead of where UMHB was in their third year, and they have all of AL and FL to recruit in without much competition.  Golson, the QB seems to have a nice touch on the ball and a fine WR in Colson.  Hopefully I didn't get that backwards. 

I wasn't at the game, just listened on the radio.   Trinity did a lot of short passing, I don't know if the DBs were giving the TU WRs a big cushion.  It sounds like they react very, very well once the ball is thrown.   The Hawks defense seems to be of the "bend but don't break" variety.  TU had the ball in the red zone five times but had only one TD and three FGs to show for it.   Wish I could have been there, it sounded like a perfect day for football. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on October 09, 2005, 06:37:20 pm
Yea, the Huntingon DB's were giving a lot of cushion to the TU WR's, I guess they saw what the Tigers did to TLU.  They played off pretty good, and most of TU's completions were on shorter routes like curls.  Trinity only tried to go deep twice that I remember, and their longest completion was for like 30 yards. 

The Huntingdon DB's were extremely athletic.  They have some serious talent, and that team is going to be a force to reckon with next year if they can keep the same core of players.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on October 09, 2005, 08:39:28 pm
Wabash definitely thought Huntingdon would build quickly. We played them their first season (thanks to Kenyon's chicken move) and they impressed many of the fans.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on October 10, 2005, 11:17:16 am
I'll echo smedindy's thoughts here.  Huntingdon impressed me when I saw them in '03.  Huntingdon actually scored the program's first touchdown (and first points I believe) at Wabash.  I was fortunate enough to see history that day. :) 

But seriously, the biggest difference I see between Huntingdon and some of the bottom feeders that lurk in the NCAC is numbers.  Take a look at Huntingdon's roster...they have 75 or so players which means plenty of depth.  They also seem to have a coaching staff committed to staying and building the program.  They have little competition for recruiting D-III athletes in that area.  It's a situation that's ripe for a rapid rise.  I think Huntingdon will be a playoff team before much longer. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 10, 2005, 11:56:57 am
And that's 75 players with only three classes playing.  They'll be up around 100 next season.  Pretty danged impressive for a school with under 700 full-time students (631 according to Huntingdon's page on this site).  HC wanted to add FB to increase their male enrollment, but they are certainly having a lot of success at the same time. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 10, 2005, 12:15:57 pm
The Huntingdon campus is located in a beautiful old neighborhood in Montgomery.  Lots of restoration starting to take place nearby.

As for the D3 model in the South, Shorter GA (NAIA) has added football and is driving to Tennessee and Kentucky for games.  LaGrange starts next year, but there are few football-playing NAIA schools in the region.  The D2's have been successful and Troy U thinks it can play with the big boys.  Will Oglethorpe see this and want to add football?  Is Oglethorpe to Atlanta what Trinity is to Texas and San Antonio?  A great academic school where strong student athletes can get a good education?  (See Director's Cup!)

This should provide visibility for D3 in the South, and D3football.com will help.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 10, 2005, 05:57:49 pm
Ron did they add football to attract more male students?  I know it had an impact at TLU, both when they dropped football and when they brought it back.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on October 10, 2005, 06:59:14 pm
What about UMHB???  Weren't they an all girls school that went co-ed and added football almost simultaneously?  Seems like about '98.  Can anyone (Ralph???) help me out with the details?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 10, 2005, 07:25:17 pm
History major, you are correct.  That's about when they added football.  I'm not sure when they went co-ed.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 10, 2005, 07:51:43 pm
UMHB went co-ed in 1971.

http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/UU/kbu5.html



Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on October 10, 2005, 08:07:02 pm
Ralph,
Re: your Post #6282
IMHO; conversely, Huntingdon joins the SCAC when DPU once again joins RHIT.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 10, 2005, 08:43:22 pm
Historymajor,

MHB allowed male students on a limited basis prior to 1971, but they worked on campus for the priveledge of going to school and they could not earn a degree.  In 71 the school went coed.  For as long as I have been associated with MHB they have had male and female sports (my brother graduated from MHB in 86, so it has been a while), and in the 90's MHB sent a basketball team to the NAIA D1 national basketball tournament and had a baseball team finish 2nd in the NAIA World series.  But even with successful mens programs the mix of Female to Male students was roughly 75% to 25% (great mix if your trying to find a wife! That's where I met mine)  Football was added to help  that ratio, but it still something like 65% women.  The history of football at MHB is also interesting if you consider that the first football game was a Purple vs Gold (i think those were the colors they used) 6-man game brought on because students wanted a homecoming football game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on October 11, 2005, 01:23:34 pm

Given the whole concept that the NCAA wants to reduce travel costs in the first round, what does anyone consider the likelihood of Trinity visiting Hardin-Simmons in the first round should both teams win out?  Unless they have a really strong SCAC showing, I can't imagine that they would get a very high seed even as the SCAC champs considering how less than dominant they've been. 

I ask because I'm stuck in Lubbock for the semester and I know I can get to Abilene, but really nowhere else without flying. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 11, 2005, 02:20:37 pm
IF the ASC gets two seeds (less likely than it was before last weekend, but still very possible):


"Dominance" doesn't really play into account.  If Trinity wins out it'll have a decent QoW index especially if Huntingdon can keep winning (and TLU can pick it back up after last weekend's disaster].   Not having played another playoff team won't help, tho. 

If the ASC doesn't get a pool C (a one-loss UMHB or ETBU would be contenders at this point), then yes, Trinity, if it wins out, goes to Abilene in week one.   DePauw has the advantage right now in the scenario where TU should lose a game and DU wins out; it's possible, but not certain, that an 8-1 Trinity would get a Pool C bid.  Start pulling for Huntingdon and TLU if Trinity should lose a game.

ETBU wins out, who knows how they would seed them.   They would be 9-0 in D-III play and if another ASC team gets a pool C would have defeated another playoff team.  That might be enough to push them to a higher seed than even an undefeated Trinity in which case the first scenario above would apply.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on October 11, 2005, 03:14:59 pm

Ron,

 Read your email.  I just sent you something. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on October 11, 2005, 04:39:57 pm
MHB8904... thanks for the 'history lesson'.  In their short but highly productive history, has UMHB ever hosted an NCAA playoff game? 
Are they eligible to host, or does playing at Belton HS not qualify them to host?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 11, 2005, 05:36:40 pm
MHB8904... thanks for the 'history lesson'.  In their short but highly productive history, has UMHB ever hosted an NCAA playoff game? 
Are they eligible to host, or does playing at Belton HS not qualify them to host?

They can host - the stadium is nicer than many other facilities I've seen.  UMHB has had the misfortune of being the lesser (eg higher-numbered) seed in every playoff game they have participated in. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 11, 2005, 07:44:43 pm
And yes, they have lost some playoff games. DANG IT!! :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on October 11, 2005, 09:10:37 pm
According to "Hoyle":

#1 hosts #8, #2 hosts #7, #3 hosts #6, #4 hosts #5  (each pairing totals 9)

The NCAA does not always follow this scheme, but if they "just would"  a #2 or #3 or #4 TU (I don't see Trinity below a 4th seed) could host a #7 or #6 or #5 DPU (I don't see DePauw above a 5th seed). IMHO, this is a game that the South Region (maybe all of D3) really wants to see being played. Again, I feel it might be fair to expect DPU to pick-up their own travel expenses (pocketed from schedule before) for such a game? Even if the NCAA pays for everything, it is still a game that should be played.  8)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 12, 2005, 01:57:21 am
According to "Hoyle":

#1 hosts #8, #2 hosts #7, #3 hosts #6, #4 hosts #5  (each pairing totals 9)

The NCAA does not always follow this scheme, but if they "just would"  a #2 or #3 or #4 TU (I don't see Trinity below a 4th seed) could host a #7 or #6 or #5 DPU (I don't see DePauw above a 5th seed). IMHO, this is a game that the South Region (maybe all of D3) really wants to see being played. Again, I feel it might be fair to expect DPU to pick-up their own travel expenses (pocketed from schedule before) for such a game? Even if the NCAA pays for everything, it is still a game that should be played.  8)

In the event that both teams make the playoffs, DU is probably not assigned to the same bracket (and there aren't really regional-based brackets anymore, anyway).  Cost of travel  issues will take precedence over "official" region assignment.

DU could be a higher seed than TU if DU won out (Pool A) and TU did not (Pool C).  TU needs to get the offense going. 

To be honest, I don't think too many people outside of the SCAC have this scenario on their radar, etg.  Certainly Trinity and DePauw fans do. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on October 12, 2005, 09:16:54 am
I don't think the NCAA would make DPU pay for a first round trip to S.A.  I would like to see that matchup in the first round - it would be a good game, and DePauw would finally get to play in S.A. when the heat isn't a factor.  I still think that the SCAC should step in and make DePauw come to San Antonio next year during the regular season to even it out.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on October 12, 2005, 10:51:42 am
I'm still convinced if DPU and Wabash make the playoffs, then they will meet in a first round or second round matchup.  Just because the NCAA can do that.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 12, 2005, 12:46:37 pm
Smed, I think that they would not ask them for a rematch in Week #12, the first playoff round, if reasonably possible, but 2nd round logically.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jyoung on October 12, 2005, 04:57:17 pm
Are there anything to the fact that Mississippi College may be moving to the SCAC next year. MC is playing Lagrange next year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 12, 2005, 05:17:58 pm
Lagrange isn't a SCAC member.

I'd be surprised to see MC leave a conference with draconian travel requirements for one that is worse.  It would get the Millsaps-MC rivalry going again, tho.  At $42,2M, the school's endowment would be the smallest (IIRC) of any football-playing school in the conference.  Academics seem compatible. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 12, 2005, 05:29:12 pm
I believe alot of the talk around MC is going back to DII, not moving DIII conferences.  It is a good school, but not sure its academics would garner a SCAC reputation.  The decision to end the Millsaps/MC game only 5 years after it began again is still beyond me, but the idea of signing another contract and then MC moving back to scholarships may have scared the Majors off.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jyoung on October 12, 2005, 05:47:54 pm
There is something underway, just not sure what. The move to D11 is all but dead, they stated at a meeting early in the year it would take an additional one million per year to make that move, and it was just not going to happen.

I don't see the travel statment, nothing is worse than sitting on the out side of the ASWC and riding in one case 17 hours to play ball.

Take a closer look it would be a good fit for the SCAC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 12, 2005, 06:53:09 pm
JW, would Mississippi College move to the Great South AC?  They would make the 6th team and make it an official conference.  They and Maryville might be the dominant forces in the Pool B for men's basketball and be very strong Pool B candidates in other team sports.  They could affiliate in the other sports as desired.  The travel issues would be a wash.  MC would be able to fill a schedule with fewer hard games than now (against the ASC which is getting stronger).  UT-Tyler will be the dominant force in the East in every force they sponsor.

Travel is still an issue, but Jackson/Clinton is in the middle of D3 nowhere (by bus).  It is 420 miles to Atlanta, and 450 to Nashville and 280 to Montgomery.

I was surprised that a Baptist school as old and distinguished as MC has only a $42 M endowment!  The World-com meltdown surely hurt the prospects that were anticipated back in the dot com days.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on October 12, 2005, 07:16:09 pm
Ralph, Ralph, Ralph,,,, you're letting your unwaving love for McM cloud your perception of the rest of the DIII world.  I don't know much about MC,,, but I know other alums (other than Ebbers) and they seem like class individuals.
As for the endowment,,, well pi$$ off a few thousand Baptists and you've got a big endowment!
Why don't we let the SCAC sort it out and we'll all check back later.  The BIG ASC seems to be in something of a realignment... bigger isn't always better!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 12, 2005, 07:28:34 pm
Historymajor, the WorldCom HQ was across I-20 from MC!

My thoughts were that many of those MC alums had known Mr Ebbers for years and probably had large portions of their portfolios tied up in WorldCom.  How many of our Dallas friends have large positions in Southwest Airlines, EDS, Texas Industries?  From those families was where I thought MC would get large gifts.

I wish that the ASC could add 3-4 members to get to 2 full conferences and keep AQ's for both!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on October 12, 2005, 08:33:57 pm
If wishes were horses, Ralph....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on October 12, 2005, 09:13:03 pm
Ralph,,, bigger is not always better... if you know what I mean..
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 12, 2005, 10:12:43 pm
History major,  I know that very well.  The SCAC is going towards 12.  I suspect that the ASC tried to grow enough so that it could split into a couple of 8-10 team conferences, especially with the departures of UDallas and Texas Wesleyan which would have given us 18.

We know that UT-Permian Basin is exploring D2 or D3, but I hope that they go D2!

If I am the MC athletic director, I might be tempted to consider whether I get more post-season bids as a Pool B in the Great South AC...my Lady Chocs haven't made the tourney in nearly a decade, a HSU HPU thing, and I only seem to be falling farther behind in football.  Do I would prefer to put together a South Region independent schedule with the LaGranges, Maryvilles and Sewanees without the UMHBs, HSUs, and HPU's?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jyoung on October 13, 2005, 12:04:56 pm
Ralph

You know all, we depend on you, what is going on at MC. Why would the Lagrange game be set for Oct 14. Most of the time out of conference games are the first one in the year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 13, 2005, 12:21:51 pm
Why would the Lagrange game be set for Oct 14. Most of the time out of conference games are the first one in the year.

With the departure of Austin College, the ASC will only have 9 football-playing members next season.  Teams need to schedule two non-conference games and thus you'll see more flexible schedules than in seasons past.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 13, 2005, 02:19:21 pm
JW, if that was the nature of your comment then there may not be anything happening at MC and they will stay in the ASC fold.  That was the AC "open" date!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jyoung on October 13, 2005, 03:05:50 pm
There you go, simple as that, enjoyed the conversation from all.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on October 13, 2005, 09:09:58 pm
Bonzo,
IMHO, if both Trinity and DePauw qualify for the playoffs they WILL meet in the 1st round; the NCAA Playoff Selectors would not want the "football lowly" SCAC to possibly have two teams move into the 2nd round? Also, the NCAA (not only the SCAC) knows that the game SHOULD be played a lot more than a second DPU game with Wabash (even this website is still carrying the TU vs. DPU final score as OPEN)?

Ralph,
The SCAC 12 ???---Add: Mississippi College, Huntingdon, Colorado College
                                 (They want into the SCAC, and have proven that travel is
                                   no BIGGIE.)
                        Delete: DePauw
                                     (They want to stay regional, and rejoin RHIT.)











 
                                   


 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: patcummings on October 13, 2005, 10:20:37 pm
Not sure if there are any regular Centre posters on here, or people who see Centre for that matter...but I will be at Centre for their homecoming game against Maryville. 

For those who don't know, I cover the Mid-Atlantic, in which Maryville is a member, albeit on the fringe of the region.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on October 13, 2005, 11:00:13 pm
DPU/Rhodes at 12:30 Saturday.  www.wgre.org (http://www.wgre.org)

I've learned some of you (not all) Trinity folk make some pretty vague assumptions about Depauw.  As long as Bob Bottoms is University President, DePauw is NOT (I repeat...not) leaving the SCAC. 

Pres. Fran Lucas at Millsaps is his boy or something.  I guess they were like college roomates or something.  That's the rumor.

Don't know where DPU would go.. not the HCAC.  The reason they left for the SCAC a few years back is because of those crappy Indiana teams like Manchester, Anderson, and Franklin that aren't very good in a lot of sports (a lot of teams didn't have women's sports at the time..but that's really here nor there).  The NCAC didn't want them once, and I'm not sure that's changed.  They're happy with Witt, Wooster, Wabash, OWU.  Not sure another high-quality team (in some sports..not all) would be the answer. 


A lot of the administration has towed the company line about changing conferences, and said it's just too darned bad that we can't play the Engineers anymore in conference, but we'll still play 'em.  Same thing happened when DPU & Wabash split conferences.  Everybody thought that the Earth would stop rotating around the sun if those two teams weren't in the same conference.  Rose plays us before Monon, and it's their Bell Game.  They took a team picture under the scoreboard when they beat us at their place 2 years ago.  I don't think anything changes.  When Bottoms isn't in charge...maybe.  Until then, unfortunately, DPU will still be playing Trinity every year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 14, 2005, 12:04:37 am
Not sure if there are any regular Centre posters on here, or people who see Centre for that matter...but I will be at Centre for their homecoming game against Maryville. 

For those who don't know, I cover the Mid-Atlantic, in which Maryville is a member, albeit on the fringe of the region.

Pat,

No, I don't think we've seen any Centrites this season.  Would be very interested on your thoughts regarding Centre, not that I expect Maryville to give them much of a game.  They are 5-1 and still have both DPU and TU on the schedule. 

Glad you're able to get to Danville for a game.  It's a lot closer to you than it is me (I think!)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 14, 2005, 12:13:43 am
As long as Bob Bottoms is University President, DePauw is NOT (I repeat...not) leaving the SCAC. 

Pres. Fran Lucas at Millsaps is his boy or something.  I guess they were like college roomates or something.  That's the rumor.   (End of quote)

I messed up this quote post.....

My response....

  Boy....this could be a good one....Bob Williams (a male) and Frances Lucas (a female) roommates in college????.....ain't that somethin'!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on October 14, 2005, 11:52:11 am
That's the story I've heard.  Wasn't aware that Lucas was a she....makes it a little more interesting I suppose.  Nonetheless...good ol' Bob is really good friends with a lot of Presidents in the SCAC (not including Lucas) and isn't going to give them the shaft for some midwest conference. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 14, 2005, 02:30:24 pm
Wasn't aware that Lucas was a she....

To be quite frank, we sometimes wonder ourselves DPU  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: patcummings on October 14, 2005, 08:04:57 pm
Centre is definitely better on paper...but this is quite a rivalry allegedly.  The two are 27-27-1 in their 55 meetings since 1906.  I know the MC folks look at it like a huge rivalry as they have played frequently...much more so than their USAC rivals.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CentreDad on October 15, 2005, 06:40:46 am
This week will be interesting how Centre responds, not only is it Homecoming with all of its distractions (and hopefully motivation :)), but it was midterm week as well. 

Last week in the first half was the first time all year that both sides of the ball showed up at the same time and it was pretty effective against Millsaps.  Hopefully it will continue today against Maryville.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 15, 2005, 01:17:11 pm
Yeah, I get phone calls from Pat Cummings from all sorts of interesting places. He travels pretty much all the time for his day job.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 15, 2005, 03:10:22 pm
Defensive struggle so far in Greencastle.  DePauw capitalizes on an interception, going 61 yards in 12 plays to go up 7-0 with 5:35 left in the first half.

The two QBs are a combined 3-of-12 so far. 

At the half, Huntingdon is up 28-14 on Colorado College.  Hawks gave up a TD with time expiring in the first half. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 15, 2005, 03:33:05 pm
DePauw's live stats quit working, got on the broadcast.  At the half it's still 7-0.   Jeremaiah Marks (RB) is apparently out and the announcers say that's causing lots of problems for the offense.  223 yards total offense in the first half (both teams combined).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 15, 2005, 03:41:13 pm
Maryville scores with 25 seconds left in the first half.  New kicker for Maryville coverts his first collegiate PAT.  Centre 7, Marville (TN) 7. 

Good return by Centre (to midfield) and a pass gets it down failry close.  Gardner misses a 42-yd FGA as time expires. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 15, 2005, 04:00:43 pm
Rhodes must not have a field goal kicker, because on 4th and 4 from the DPU 22 they go for it on the first drive of the second half (and don't get it). 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on October 15, 2005, 04:01:37 pm
 Bfb,

Live stats should be up again for DPU/Rhodes.  I appreciate you checking out the broadcast.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on October 15, 2005, 04:07:16 pm
Marks was ill in the first half..but has made a miraculous appearance in the 2nd half... still 7-0 DPU
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 15, 2005, 04:07:50 pm
Yep, they are, thanks.  I'm bouncing from broadcast to broadcast today. 

Looks like Rhodes has replaced their starting QB (Justin Sealand, 3-8-1 10 yds in the first half) with Chandler Bares. Unfortunately on yet another fourth and short deep in DPU territory, Bares was intercepted and DePauw has the ball at midfield. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 15, 2005, 04:14:47 pm
Centre drives down to inside the Maryville 20, instead of trying a FG go for it on fourth down and do not covert. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on October 15, 2005, 04:38:54 pm
Hunter Tigert 43 yd FG... 7-3 DPU w/ 4:00 in the 4th
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on October 15, 2005, 04:49:55 pm
DPU 7 RC 3 F from Blackstock. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 15, 2005, 05:59:04 pm
Wow, a whole lot closer than I expected.   Sounds like DPU played down to the level of their opponent today.  If Rhodes kicks FGs instead of always going for it on fourth down it might have been a different outcome.  Congrats to DPU on the win, though.

Rose-Hulman got another big road win today, congrats Engineers!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldrosie on October 15, 2005, 07:50:35 pm
  WAY  TO  GO  ROSE !!! 

Nice win again in the last year of SCAC play ......

better yet , a year in which everyone picked you DEAD LAST !!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: patcummings on October 15, 2005, 07:56:38 pm
Centre played well enough just to win today.  Lots of mistakes...most notably fumbles when you wouldn't expect em.  Perfect conditions, etc. 

The defense is real good, especially the d-line.  Never gave the MC QB a chance to operate his offense. Maryville, based on what I saw today, is better than a 1-6 team.

Centre's SOS increased today when W&L beat Hampden-Sydney.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DesertLynx on October 16, 2005, 06:55:33 am
Ron,

"Sounds like DPU played down to the level of their opponent today."

Nice analysis there!  Rhodes has been in every game they have played.  They have lost 5 games by an incredible 20pts total.  On offense they have made youthful mistakes at critical times but there defense has been solid.  They have also been in a position to win every game they have played.  There are no real excuses for lack of execution, but this team is on its way up.  I really hope the "all Trinity, all the Time" board" here overlooks the Lynx on the 29th.  It might be a long silent trip home to San Antonio.

I don't think DPU played down at all, Rhodes has a good team they just have come up short. 

D/L OUT
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 16, 2005, 03:55:45 pm
Sorry, Lynx, but "a good team" just doesn't come up short in five of six games.    You've gotta execute sometime.    Maybe you will in two weeks.

Congrats to Huntingdon who piled up 554 yards on their way to an easy 56-21 win over Colorado College.  The Hawks won despite being penalized 15 times ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on October 16, 2005, 07:08:24 pm
I'd say DPU might have played down to Rhodes a little bit, but Rhodes (despite their record..and, yes you're right Bfb, great teams don't do that) is one of the best 1-5 teams I've seen. 

I do agree that if RC would have kicked, they would have won.  Tigert has hit some longer ones over the past couple of years, and I was surprised that they kept going for it from the 25-30 yard line.

The rotating QB scheme is puzzling for the Lynx as well.  They rotated several times right in the middle of a drive.  There was no rhyme or reason to who was the QB, and they interchanged at will.  There were more than a couple moments in that game when I scratched my head about the decision-making on the visiting sideline.

DPU is really banged up, and missing some key players on offense.  Rhodes played good enough to win, but when DPU needed a stop, the defense stepped up and got it.  The DPU front 4 is frightening.  Dustin Hertel will probably be POTW this week, after having an INT,  a sack & 12 tackles.  Good luck next week to the Millsaps OL & QB(s), they're probably going to need it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DanSwan on October 16, 2005, 08:55:57 pm
There are reasons behind all the decisions.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on October 16, 2005, 11:00:35 pm
Congrats to Huntingdon who piled up 554 yards on their way to an easy 56-21 win over Colorado College.  The Hawks won despite being penalized 15 times ...

Thanks Ron,
Kind of nice to be at a place where you aren't real satisfied with a 56-21 win. Way too many penalties for HC and a couple of breakdowns on defense in the second quarter had it at 28-14 at the half and CC fired up thinking they had a chance. But HC was able to wear them down pretty quickly since CC only has 35 players.
Boy, our strength of schedule sure took a hit this week, huh? Everybody we play lost except Trinity who was open and Westminster, Mo who got a win. That sure can't help the old Pool B chances.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 17, 2005, 12:26:51 am
Boy, our strength of schedule sure took a hit this week, huh? Everybody we play lost except Trinity who was open and Westminster, Mo who got a win. That sure can't help the old Pool B chances.

Yeah, I am thinking that HC needs a lot of help (e.g. losses by teams like Thiel who very easily could have lost yesterday, etc.) to get a Pool BC.  Just keep winning and hopefully the rest will sort itself out.  If not, you certainly have a great start to build on next season. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DesertLynx on October 17, 2005, 04:55:04 am
DPU

"DPU is really banged up, and missing some key players on offense."

#1 I enjoyed your broadcast from the other side of the world.

#2 RC is missing their starting QB and most productive WR.  They are banged up.

DL
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on October 17, 2005, 07:09:19 pm
I think that was part of the reason that the game was so low scoring.  Both teams were without arguably their best player (Marks for DPU & Bozant for Rhodes).  Plus, these are two pretty good defenses.  Both are in the top 3 in the conference in nearly every defensive category.  It's no knock on Rhodes, they did play a good football game.  DPU had the momentum (and field position) after the Hertel INT, and scored the only TD of the game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dpuinaz on October 18, 2005, 05:07:54 pm
Sounds like Rhodes is a squad similar to some of ours in years past.  I remember some years where we served as wake-up calls for lots of ranked teams but weren't able to finish.  They've got a decent squad, but probably couldn't really be called a solid unit yet.  It'll happen, though.

How's this weekend's game vs. Centre looking, Radio?  Centre was always a VERY tough team when I was there; what's their squad like these days?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on October 18, 2005, 05:24:59 pm
Centre is always in the top half of the conference, but every time they play Trinity, they find out how far they are from being a playoff caliber team.  They have gone into the game with the Tigers undefeated or with one loss more than once in the last few years and have just gotten scorched.  Against the rest of the conference, they usually seem to be a few steps ahead.  I believe that this year they aren't doing as well, but they're a good opponent whether they win or lose.  In 2000, they gave Trinity their first conference loss in three years with a last second touchdown. 

They haven't come close since. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dpuinaz on October 18, 2005, 07:43:53 pm
Centre is always in the top half of the conference, but every time they play Trinity, they find out how far they are from being a playoff caliber team.  They have gone into the game with the Tigers undefeated or with one loss more than once in the last few years and have just gotten scorched.  Against the rest of the conference, they usually seem to be a few steps ahead.  I believe that this year they aren't doing as well, but they're a good opponent whether they win or lose.  In 2000, they gave Trinity their first conference loss in three years with a last second touchdown. 

They haven't come close since. 

Quick question --

Does anyone have a commentary about Centre that doesn't actually have more to do with Trinity than it does the Colonels?  How about a little info on the Kentucky school's squad?  No offense to you Texans, but I've already heard a little bit about you guys on this board...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on October 18, 2005, 08:52:54 pm


Does anyone have a commentary about Centre that doesn't actually have more to do with Trinity than it does the Colonels?  How about a little info on the Kentucky school's squad?  No offense to you Texans, but I've already heard a little bit about you guys on this board...

It's not our fault that we are the only school with fans who actually post here!   :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on October 18, 2005, 08:55:43 pm
I think Centre looks (on paper) like the Centre from a couple of years ago.  They had a pretty bad year last year, but they look like a good football team.   They've got a great record, and some Sewanee fans told me that if the Colonels weren't REALLY injured when they went up on the mountain a couple weeks ago, they'd be 7-0 and the conference leader right now.  I don't know if that's true, but it might be worth noting.

They did beat an OK Wash & Lee team, and if your an NCAC fan, you'll note that they beat a Kenyon team that might just be atop that conference at season's end.  (It's a joke.. I'm kidding..I know.. Kenyon isn't playing Wabash or Witt...I got it..thanks)

With all that being said, they are playing Trinity.  Two years ago, Centre went into San Antonio with the same 6-1 record and got taken to the barn by a 52-7 count.  I think it will be closer than that this year, and if the Trinity team shows up that showed up against Huntingdon, it might be close.  

I don't own any Centre shirts or pennants, but I'm really tempted to buy some on ebay.  Come on Colonels.

Also DPU/Millsaps at 12:30 Saturday. www.wgre.org (http://www.wgre.org)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on October 18, 2005, 08:57:02 pm
Centre came closer than the score indicated last year.  They were up 12 I believe when that LB returned a pick for a TD, but they never scored again.  That last TD when the Tigers were trying to run out the clock made it look a little worse than it was.

Centre seems to be running the ball better this season than in years past.  Should be an interesting matchup on Saturday between the Black Flag and the Centre O.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on October 18, 2005, 09:00:20 pm

...if the Trinity team shows up that showed up against Huntingdon, it might be close.  


The Trinity team that showed up against Huntingdon played their best football of the year.  Centre better hope that team doesn't show up!  You seriously underestimate Huntingdon.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on October 19, 2005, 12:45:29 am
Perhaps my word selection should not have been "team", and instead should have been "offense".

I certainly do not underestimate Huntingdon, sir.  I know Huntingdon is a good football team.  I think Huntingdon had a better chance to beat Trinity than any other team that they have played/will play in the regular season.  That being said, Trinity had a relatively hard time (for Trinity) moving the football.  Can somebody tell me the last time Trinity had less than 200 passing yards in back-to-back games?  Of course, I haven't seen TU this year, and in the post-Dan DesPlains era, things may be different.  I think Centre would LOVE to hold Trinity to 15 points.  Just about any team in the country couldn't be happier to hold TU to 15. 

It will be interesting to see how Centre's O holds up against the TU D.  Most years, not a lot of teams would want to get into a shootout with Trinity.  Again, not having seen the Texas Tigers this year, it's hard telling whether or not that would be a good thing for Centre.

I still don't know what to make of Trinity.  Maybe they're a defensive-oriented team all of the sudden.

In case you non-Trinity folk are curious, I struck out on ebay looking for a Centre shirt.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 19, 2005, 01:08:39 am
Austin College held TU to 14.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on October 19, 2005, 09:16:23 am
Coming into the year, everyone thought that the offense would have to carry the defense for a while while all the new starters on that side of the ball learned the ropes.  But it has been the other way around.  The defense has carried the offense at times (TLU, Huntingdon).  From what I've heard from the players, the Austin game would have been lopsided if not for turnovers in the red zone by the Tigers.

TU is not getting the insane stats of the past partly due to the loss of a real burner at WR like they've had in the past (Brailsford, Urban), in my opinion.  I can't really see anyone on this team with that kind of speed who also has such soft hands like those 2 did.  Hicks has that speed, but they never send him deep.  They also have been playing more ball control offense lately, running the ball over 40 times a game.  The TU offense has ony had 18 posessions (9 per game, which is unusual) in the past 2 games, and seem to be playing clock control rather than the air-it-out "score as quick as we can" approach in years past.  They are still moving the ball effectively, but it just takes longer to get down the field than in years past.  Couple that with an EXTREMELY athletic Huntingdon defense, and we all saw the result.  Thank the defense for that win!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 19, 2005, 09:36:34 am
That being said, Trinity had a relatively hard time (for Trinity) moving the football.  Can somebody tell me the last time Trinity had less than 200 passing yards in back-to-back games? 

It will be interesting to see how Centre's O holds up against the TU D.  Most years, not a lot of teams would want to get into a shootout with Trinity.  Again, not having seen the Texas Tigers this year, it's hard telling whether or not that would be a good thing for Centre.


Good thoughts, Radio Guy.  Thanks for being our Centre rep by proxy.  :)

TU seems more defensively focused this season, true, and they do have a new defensive coordinator.   At the same time, remember that (a) TU did have to go with a second-string QB in the entire second half against Huntingdon, mandating a more conservative passing approach, and (b) the game plan against an extremely quick Hawk secondary (which had 11 INTs in the four games before facing Trinity) was to throw short passes underneath the coverage.  At least, that's what I got out of listening to the game.  

It does seem that the Trinity passing juggernaut has been sent to the sidelines for the season.  The only big passing game the Tigers had was against TLU in week 2.  I was there; the TLU defenders were really jamming at the line of scrimmage, but the OL protection was excellent and gave Cannon the time to wait for his receivers to break open deep.  Coach Mohr said that the game plan was to take what the coverage was giving.   In the other games, Trinity has been making a concerted effort to run the ball. 

Centre likes to run the ball.  Adam Blandford has already been named SCAC Offensive PoTW twice and had over 220 yards last week alone.   Huntingdon, too, was a run-oriented team but did not have a back like Blandford.  If TU can contain Blandford (as it contained RHIT's Charley Key, the SCAC leading rusher) it will force Kevin Phelps to throw the ball more.  Phelps is a competent QB (second to Cannon in passing efficiency) who averages about 140 yards in the air and completes around half his passes.   The net is an offense that is scoring around 30 points per game, leading the SCAC.  

Defensively, the Colonels are a little more suspect and are allowing about 180 yards per game both on the ground and through the air.  Trinity's run defense has been quite good (under 90 yds/game) but the Black Flag has allowed ~200 yds/game through the air.   Centre LB Matt Johnson leads the conference with nearly 12 tackles per game; fellow LB Adam Hay is just outside the top ten with 7.1.  Jacob Coleman has broken up ten passes and intercepted two.  

Centre, like Trinity, is +3 in turnovers this season.

OBTW, Radio Guy, you can get your Centre t-shirt here (http://www.centre.edu/web/athletics/football/cartershirts.htm)!   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 19, 2005, 09:55:49 am
Quote

It's not our fault that we are the only school with fans who actually post here!   :)
Quote

I beg to differ on that
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on October 19, 2005, 10:53:40 am
OK, maybe I exaggerated a little  ;D

What's the word on Millsaps?  I thought they would be a force to reckon with after last seasons success.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 19, 2005, 01:35:08 pm
I beg to differ, too.....

Millsaps is hurt.  Every week they seem to have more injuries.  I'm not sure that they have played with a healthy offensive line at all this year.  The Majors' QB, Raymece Savage, has been banged up.....the back up is doing okay.....actually threw for close to 300 yards versus RHIT last weekend.  Savage actually played at receiver in that game.  I was under the impression that he was out for the year.....must just be that he is out for the year from under center.

The running game has been off track because Tyson Roy missed a couple of games.....

Defensively, they have endured a bunch of injuries, too.  The defense looked great against RHIT for the first half, but then things fell apart for them in the second half.

Plus, they are a very young team.....over half the players are freshmen and sophomores.

So, with all that said, they just haven't been very good.  Progress is slow sometimes I suppose.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 19, 2005, 02:20:07 pm
That is not to say we did not expect some goods things coming out of Jackson this year.  The real key I think for the Majors is to do their best to finish this season on a strong note and then work hard to keep everyone healthy and around for next season.  In my playing time there, our biggest issues on the field seemed to arise from guys not sticking around after their freshmen and sophomore seasons.  For Millsaps to turn the program around, they have to keep seasoned guys on the team.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 19, 2005, 08:09:32 pm
Ex-Major is right....we did expect a better team, and I'll not deny that we are disappointed.  And yes, finishing strong will go a long way! 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 20, 2005, 09:14:23 am
I see that DePauw is seeking the 500th win in program history this week.  That's quite a milestone!

San Antonio Express-News story (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/localcolleges/stories/MYSA102005.6C.FBC.LOCtrinity.173c4004.html) on Trinity notes that QB Jacob Cannon will start vs. Centre. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DePauw05 on October 20, 2005, 08:31:15 pm
Any thoughts on which DePauw team will show this week?  They appeared to be rolling until last week when they could not seem to get into any kind of rhythm against Rhodes.  Is Marks healthy?  If last week was any indication, as Marks goes, so go the Tigers. 

DePauw has a tough road ahead for sure.  Millsaps is athletic although very young.  Centre looks tough -- we'll find out just how good they are this weekend in San Antonio.  Rose is better than they have been in a long time and we're essentially their Monon Bell game so they will be up for it.  Wabash is rolling although untested yet for the most part.  The NCAC looks down this year, but scoring 40 points per game week in and week out is a feat regardless of who you're playing.

Should be an interesting next four weeks.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 21, 2005, 11:35:00 am
Marks is listed on the two deep, part of this week's DePauw game notes (http://www.depauw.edu/ath/football/2005/notes/millsapsgamenotes.pdf).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on October 21, 2005, 01:46:35 pm
I'm unsure about the status of Marks for tomorrow.  I haven't heard anything in either direction.  I would assume that means the decision hasn't been made yet.

As far as what team shows up, I'd put money on Millsaps not scoring many points.  The DePauw D hasn't given up a TD since late in the Chicago game.  The offense has been the beneficiary of the D causing turnovers.  The offense has had some great field position the last two weeks.  DPU's longest scoring drive in the Sewanee drive was 52 yards.   

I think the offense will score more than 7, although it might not take a whole lot more than that. 


As far as the rest of the season goes, everybody will have a much better measure about Centre after this weekend.  RHIT is good, probably at least as good as they were when they beat DPU at their place two years ago.  They're sure not the last place team that they were picked in the pre-season. 

And of course there's Monon. If Wabash gets by Witt this weekend, they're probably not going to have a loss coming into the Bell game.  That'll be a big one if Trinity wins out, because DPU might (it's up for debate) have a chance at a Pool C if they can keep the Bell.  Although that's a ways off, and there's some good football teams on the schedule before then. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 21, 2005, 03:58:08 pm
Generally speaking, you don't list a guy on your two deep if he's questionable ...

With re DPU's chances for a Pool C:  win out and you're in.  There aren't going to be a whole lot of one-loss teams with better pedigrees (there will be some, but not six or seven).  A win over a Wabash team that could be undefeated when you meet and the narrow loss to what may also be an undefeated Wesley squad should be looked at favorably by the committee. 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 21, 2005, 05:00:39 pm
I stand corrected.  According to an article in today's Banner-Graphic (http://www.bannergraphic.com/copy/sports/story4813.htm), Marks is indeed questionable for tomorrow's game. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on October 22, 2005, 06:36:29 pm
Sewanee 20
RHIT 7

DePauw 51
Millsaps 14

Trinity 45
Centre 7

Looks like the top dogs are well on their way to undefeated conference records.  Big win for Wabash today to set up a very interesting Bell game in three weeks.  Curious to see if that game will have playoff implications.

RHIT - what happened?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on October 22, 2005, 09:17:53 pm

I heard the Trinity QB got yanked.  That's too bad because he has done some great things for the tigers.  If you're the coach, I guess you have to go with Blake against Rhodes. 

BTW, I went to the HSU/UMHB game today.  UMHB is awesome.  Physically, they are awesome.  Standing still next to HSU, it's like the big guys against the little guys.  If the tigers win out, let's just hope we don't draw the Crusaders again.  We don't have the firepower to overcome a focused UMHB right now. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 23, 2005, 12:40:45 am

I heard the Trinity QB got yanked.  That's too bad because he has done some great things for the tigers.  If you're the coach, I guess you have to go with Blake against Rhodes. 

He threw two INTs in his first four passes.  I'm going to see if I can get some word from the coaching staff on next week.   Barmore from what I hear is the "running QB" of the two and 300 yds rushing from Trinity today ... who would have thought we would see a day when TU was held to < 90 yards passing and still wins by nearly 40 points.

Re HSU and UMHB ...

I too was at the UMHB-HSU game.  The Crusaders played extremely well, but I think HSU took them lightly after the HPU loss and it showed.  HSU QB Bernhard was very tentative today.  The UMHB game plan appeared to be blanket the receivers early, make Bernhard go to a second or third read, and by that time he was usually running for his life b/c the Crusaders were almost always sending at least 5 if not 6 or 7 on the pass rush.   

If you look at the stats, the main reason UMHB won is that they had exactly one drive over 50 yards.  Check out these drive stats:
* 5 plays, 51 yds
* 11 plays, 35 yds
* 6 plays, 28 yds
* 5 plays, 13 yds
* 6 plays, 29 yds
* 2 plays, 12 yds

HSU got caught up in the emotions and had a LOT of personal fouls (and one "spearing" penalty) that helped make these drives so dang short.   UMHB is a very good team that looked better thanks to never having to drive the ball more than half the length of the field (total yardage - 278 yards MHB, 235 HSU). 

HSU is not as awful as they appeared today.  Remember that Bernhard IS their second string QB - today things finally caught up with him.  They also are just getting Quentin Jones (the RB who had the bulk of HSU's yards, 80 on 5 carries) back from injury.  Without a consistent running threat, and since they got behind early, the Cowboys had no choice but to pass and that let UMHB tee off on the QB. 

Since it looks likely that HSU will get sent to Trinity if both win out, don't base your opinion of HSU on just this one game.   And, yeah, having to face UMHB is scary.  But they can be beat, as we saw a couple of weeks ago. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 23, 2005, 01:07:57 am
On the road, Redlands gave #7 Occidental a ride but lose by seven.  Oxy scored a FG with under 2 minutes to go up 31-24.  Redlands got the ball to the Oxy 19, had two shots into the end zone but could not convert.   Will be interesting to see if Oxy plummets in the standings after a narrow win like Trinity did.   Probably not.    :(

DePauw's Pool C chances not helped by Wesley getting pounded 47-0 by Brockport State today.  Wabash also had their hands full before defeating Wittenberg 26-20. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 23, 2005, 10:44:17 am
Quote in today's Express-News story (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/localcolleges/stories/MYSA102305.15C.FBCcentre.trinity.39d0b3e.html) from coach Mohr:  "Jacob was ready today, but was making bad reads," Trinity coach Steve Mohr said. "We've got a quarterback controversy."  

The TU defense was on the field for 22 minutes in the first half ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on October 23, 2005, 12:00:05 pm
Barmore from what I hear is the "running QB" of the two and 300 yds rushing from Trinity today ... who would have thought we would see a day when TU was held to < 90 yards passing and still wins by nearly 40 points.

Barmore isn't just a running QB - he's pretty darn good throwing the ball too.  Everyone seems to be surprised that Trinity is winning without throwing the ball, but when you have 4 senior OL's and 2 senior RB's who are both all-SCAC (at one time or another), I would be runing the ball 40 times a game too.  The OL dominated for the tigers yesterday.  Once again, it seems like Centre came down to San Antonio with a winning record against some cupcakes and folded when they faced real competition.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 23, 2005, 07:46:41 pm

HSU is not as awful as they appeared today.  Remember that Bernhard IS their second string QB - today things finally caught up with him.  They also are just getting Quentin Jones (the RB who had the bulk of HSU's yards, 80 on 5 carries) back from injury.  Without a consistent running threat, and since they got behind early, the Cowboys had no choice but to pass and that let UMHB tee off on the QB. 

Since it looks likely that HSU will get sent to Trinity if both win out, don't base your opinion of HSU on just this one game.   And, yeah, having to face UMHB is scary.  But they can be beat, as we saw a couple of weeks ago. 

I think MHB's game makes HSU more dangerous.  It gave Jordy a chance to experience some intense pressure, likely more than  he's seen all season.  Now, if I know Jordan, Jordan sits down with him and helps him process the film so that Jordy can make better decisions next time, maybe next game. 

Also, we saw what Quentin is capable of that TD was amazing, however, he will being seeing a big purple and gold 30 in his head for a long time after that shot he took. ;D  I think HSU regroups and rolls the rest of the conference schedule.  If MHB can do the same, and if they look like they did yesterday the rest of the schedule they will, maybe we get another 2nd Round rematch game this year ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on October 24, 2005, 11:30:48 am
As it pertains to the Tigers running the ball so much...

Steve Mohr is as good of a coach as you are going to find.  The guy can see everything in slow motion at field level and has an answer for everything.  Obviously, the guy can recruit and has an eye for d3 talent, but all that aside, he wants to win and always adjusts for the betterment of the team rather than for his ego. 

I work with college coaches daily, some of them more successful than others, but nearly all of them so impenetrably self-centered that they can't stop tripping over themselves.  Steve Mohr is better than that and better than most.   Trinity's good in every sport, but in football, it's the coach more than the school. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CentreDad on October 24, 2005, 02:29:24 pm
Some thoughts on the Centre-Trinity game:

Trinity was able to wear down the Centre D-line in the second half, and when Phelps got injured at the beginning of the fourth quarter, the game got out of hand.

Had Centre been able to take advantage of its opportunities in the first half (first quarter in particular) and not had a couple fumbles, the game might have been much closer than Trinity would have liked.  I thought that if Centre scored on the opening drive that would have kept Trinity from pounding their bigger O-line on the Centre line.

Centre had opportunities while the game was still undecided, but just didn't make plays.  Some of the parents were a little rough on the officials, but even with some questionable calls (what game doesn't have them ;)), Centre just didn't make the plays they needed when they had the opportunity.  On the opening drive, a completed pass inside the five was called back for holding, but just prior to that, a open reciever across the middle was missed, it would have been a sure touchdown, so you can't blame the officials, just make plays!

Regardless, we had a wonderful time in San Antonio, my first visit.  Enjoyed the Mission Trail and the Riverwalk, wish we had a little more time.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 24, 2005, 05:14:25 pm
Frankly, I wish I had seen Trinity play once or twice last year to have a better perspective on their offensive history.  That said, I have been very pleased to see them improve their running game over the course of this season.  Early on, it seemed there was little blocking and all rushing plays started slowly.  As a result, TU's excellent senior backs never got started.  As the season progresses, those problems seem to be getting fixed and both RB's are gaining some real ground.

Against Centre, the O-line opened up some great holes and were also picking off the LB's to allow JJ and Ray to get up some speed and gain significant yardage.  Once that's established, the receivers were open in short yardage and that made for a better balance.  In Jake's defense, his receivers dropped some easy ones, looking up from the ball before they had it tucked in.  Blake did a fine, steady job and looked calm and collected.

IMHO, it's time to release the hounds and see what Kelner, Hicks, Thompson, Byars and Kremers can do way downfield.  Would open up the space between the tackles even more that it already is.

Congrats to all the Tigers for showing that they can score frequently and in various ways.  Nice read & nice oskey, Shaun.  Some big hits by the Black Flag (Kownslar, Allen, Morgan, Barnhart & company) ... causing those fumbles made the difference in possession time and field position.  Some very hard driving hits kept the Centre players thinking twice about turning upfield without ducking.

Hard to complain at 6-0, that's for sure.  Keep up the good work on the road at Rhodes & Sewanee!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on October 24, 2005, 08:46:17 pm
Tigerdad... The passing game isn't/wasn't clicking... I don't know the personal dynamics of the thing,,, but Blake seems to be 'connecting' with the passing game better than 'Jake'.
I'm not tuned into the vibes, or the karma... but it seems like Blake commands a better game than Jake...  If you'all remember b/4 the season started... I referred to the Jake and Blake show...  well sometimes you have to ride the 'one that's running'.  I think it's a real luxury to have two (or more) quality QB's and be able to react to what's happening.... don't get me wrong, I'm not a committee, or platoon guy,,, but if you can change and react,,, depth is better than politics and seniority.

I hope that Jake and Blake (and JV QB's unseen) can lead TU to the playoffs,,, then we'll have a controversy (or not)...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gil68 on October 25, 2005, 02:40:01 pm
For any DePauw faithful interested, Monon Bell tickets are being sold tomorrow.

http://www.depauw.edu/ath/news.asp?id=16307
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 25, 2005, 03:42:48 pm
HistoryMajor ... yes, I am with you on the QB situation.  Frankly, there's probably only two guys (and their fans) who care who gets the nod.  With 17+ years of coaching experience, Coach Mohr must have seen them come and go ... whatever and whoever works to get the "W" is what counts.  As many individuals are participating, football still comes down to the best 11 guys on each side of the ball on any given day.  That's what makes it a great sport.  Here's to the coach(es) who can figure it out and keep it moving in the right direction.  It's nice to have fun, but it's funner to win.  That's what attracts more winners to the program and keeps TU at the top (or near it!)

Go Tigers ... keep it rolling on the road ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: willystyle on October 25, 2005, 06:36:02 pm
Must've been some great defensive performances in the SCAC this week - 3 players from the conference named to d3football.com's Team of the Week.  Congrats to all of those guys.

As far as my TU Tigers go, I can't say I really care who is at QB, as long as the wins keep coming.  After watching Burton and Hampton TU fans are bound to need some time to adjust to an offense that doesn't prominently feature 4 and 5-WR sets, but TU has won running the ball in the past, and this team is proving that they can in the present and future.  I was a bit surprised by the Centre score - I expected them to be more of a test, even in San Antonio.  But with the Colonels in the rearview I think it's time the Tigers found another gear and got ready for whichever ASC team awaits them come playoff time.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on October 26, 2005, 02:46:24 pm
Willystyle,

Are you trying to jinx the tigers?   We've been tripped up before with better teams.  Three games left is no time to start getting ready for a first round playoff game.  TU's in a delicate spot right now.  Did y'all know that each of the last two season's that Trinity has had to replace a quarterback, they've lost two games?  One in conference and one on the west coast. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 26, 2005, 05:32:09 pm
Been kind of quiet around here, let's try a poll ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on October 26, 2005, 10:48:43 pm
(El Tea Gray) (TU Passing Offense)

TigerDad, History, Willy:

I've been watching both Jake and Blake since workouts began back in August; both CAN throw, Jake throws the out-patterns better and Blake sees and throws downfield best. I agree with TigerDad that it's time to open up some North/South activity; not to say that both QB's should not be amply utilized (whoever that game has the most cylinders firing). The Tigers are not in the playoffs yet, but IMHO should they get there (Hope, Hope, Hope) the Offense needs much higher octane. I'm sure they can produce.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Wildcat'64 on October 26, 2005, 11:37:14 pm
Brett Elliot has just moved into 7th position with almost 900 votes cast today for the Division III quarterback.  There are 42 nominees for the Heisman award.
If you have not cast your ballot you may do so by going to www.voteforheisman.com.
Your support for a D3 candidate for the Heisman will send a positive message to the nation.
Please cast your vote for Division III football.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: willystyle on October 27, 2005, 10:20:34 am
TU2698 -

Not trying to jinx anyone, and I'm well aware of TU's recent history.  I was at Millsaps in 2000, and was listening on line in 2003 when Rhodes got the upset win.

I'm not suggesting they sit the starters, crank up the HSU-UMHB film, and not worry about the last 3 games here.  I'm suggesting that they start getting extremely focused and put these last 3 regular season opponents away in a manner that lets everyone know they're ready for the playoffs.

IMO, Centre was the last, best chance for TU to gauge itself heading towards season's end (a quality win over W&L, wins against Rhodes and Millsaps already, historically a good program that gives TU some competition), and the Tigers passed with flying colors.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on October 27, 2005, 10:48:29 am
From looking at the statistics for Rhodes, I would say that they will give the Tigers their toughest test so far.  Centre had the worst defense in the SCAC and was giving up major yards to sub-par teams.  Rhodes seems to have a solid defense (on paper)and only gave up 7 to DePauw and 16 to Huntingdon and held both teams to under 170 total yards of offense.  Their offense has had its share of struggles, but the defense has kept them in every game, and that Steinert kid is playing well.  The Tiger offense needs to show up ready to play on the road with the same intensity they came out with last week, otherwise this could be a repeat of '03 where the Tiger offense stunk it up and Rhodes' O did just enough to win.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 27, 2005, 02:39:02 pm
The regional rankings were finally released (http://www.d3football.com/notables.php) by the AA.  South Region as it stands:

Name In-Region Overall
1. Trinity (Texas) 5-0 6-0
2. Ferrum 7-0 7-0
3. Mary Hardin-Baylor 4-1 5-1
4. Thiel 7-0 7-0
5. Bridgewater (Virginia) 4-1 5-1
6. Hardin-Simmons 5-1 6-1
7. Johns Hopkins 6-0 7-0
8. Salisbury 2-0 6-1
9. Washington and Jefferson 5-1 7-1
10. Wesley 4-0 7-1

Thoughts: 
- Ferrum #2?  PU.  These guys have beat nobody and have had trouble doing it at times.  I would put UMHB at #2, Thiel at #3, HSU, then maybe Ferrum. 
- Concerned that DePauw didn't even get in the top ten. 
- Wesley has no business being there after getting pounded last week.  No doubt that is why DPU isn't there (e.g. they lost to Wesley). 
- UMHB might finally get a home playoff game, unless the AA does something totally asinine like send them to Ferrum. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on October 27, 2005, 02:42:10 pm
I am surprised that DPU didn't get a mention either. Could be tough for a "C" now.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 27, 2005, 11:19:52 pm
Bonzo, I was reveiwing some information for another post and saw that the Trinity Tigers earned their 100th victory over McMurry, 9-0, in Waxahachie on October 7th, 1939.

That was the first game of the Texas Conference season that year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2005, 10:23:04 am
Poll results:

Who will represent the SCAC in the playoffs?

Are you kidding?  Gotta be Trinity:  11 (42.3%)
No, I'm NOT kidding, and it's going to be DePauw:  0 (0%)
Trinity will win the conference, but DePauw will get a Pool C invite:  13 (50%)
DePauw will win the conference, but Trinity will get a Pool C invite:  1 (4%)
Bwahahaha!  Somehow either Centre or Rose-Hulman is going to win it all:  1 (4%)
   
Total Votes: 26
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on October 29, 2005, 10:33:50 am
I'm predicting TU 38 - RC 20
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2005, 02:18:50 pm
That's a pretty good defense in Memphis.  I'll take TU 24-14.

Huntingdon leads SAGU 3-0 early.  That was actually the third time the Hawks had scored on the drive; two TDs were called back due to penalties. 

Rhodes leads Trinity 3-0 early.  Cannon is the QB for TU. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DanSwan on October 29, 2005, 02:29:29 pm
Can you listen to the Trinity game through a website?

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2005, 02:31:50 pm
http://www.krtu.edu, Dan.

Cannon finds Kelner for a 30-yd TD on the first play of the second quarter.  PAT is pulled left so it's a 6-3 lead. 

Rhodes return to near midfield.   

Trinity forces a turnover and is inside the 30.

Rhodes holds Trinity short on fourth-and-three from the 15.  Lynx ball. 

Three-and-out for Lynx, punt partially blocked, Tigers ball at the Lynx 34, 10:25.

Cannon naked bootleg for 12 yards and a score, 8:57 remaining.  PAT good, TU 13-3. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on October 29, 2005, 02:51:42 pm
Rhodes punts.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on October 29, 2005, 03:05:55 pm
DPU 7 Centre 0 - Jason Murphy 14 yd run
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2005, 03:06:30 pm
Cannon fumbles, picked up by Rhodes.  0:50 left, Lynx ball at the TU 43.

Sealand has time, Hatcher makes the catch at the TU 14. 0:36

No gain on first, two incomplete passes bring on Hunter Tigert.  Kick is good, 13-6 with 0:10 left.

MUC tied with BW 3-3 now in the third quarter ...

That's it for me. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on October 29, 2005, 03:39:50 pm
14-0 DPU.  John Michels 47 yd TD catch from Ross Wiethoff.  DPU went 98 yards in 4 plays with 2:00 in the first half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on October 29, 2005, 03:48:22 pm
Big time players make big plays.

 Kelner makes a catch on 3rd and 17 then Valencia takes it in from 17 yards out on the next play.  Rhodes is about to punt.

20-6 TU
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on October 29, 2005, 04:21:48 pm

Centre throws interception inside DePauw's 10, Depauw punts.
14-0 DePauw in the 3rd

The rout is on in Memphis, 34-6.  Tiger defense is really, really good.  Offense you never can tell. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on October 29, 2005, 04:39:59 pm

Centre scores on 4th and 1 from the 1 early in the 4th quarter
DePauw 14, Centre 7

Final from Memphis
TU 34, RC 6
Cannon got yanked with 4:30 to go in the game, and Blake took them down to the 8 yard line when the clock ran out. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on October 29, 2005, 05:06:29 pm

Centre had the mo in a big way, but Depaw holds on 4th and G from the 6, final score 14-7.  Centre was inside the 10 three times in the second half.  Way to hang in there, Tigers...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dpuinaz on October 29, 2005, 05:39:29 pm
whew....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on October 29, 2005, 09:28:43 pm
Huntingdon gets a sloppy 45-13 win today. Didn't think it was ever going to get over with. Definitely a flag happy bunch of refs today. The two teams combined for 28 penalties for 336 yards. They finally put the flags away for the 4th quarter when we emptied the bench so that quarter moved along pretty well. Good to see everyone get to play though. HC getting awful thin at RB with a couple guys getting dinged up today. Played most of the 4th qtr with 4th string TE at FB and a WR at TB.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2005, 11:14:31 pm
One of the best road performances from Trinity in quite some while.  Good job by Jacob Cannon putting the last couple of weeks behind him.  Dustin Allen continues to be a monster on defense.  Second time in three weeks the defense has held the opponent around 60 yards total in the second half ... making good halftime adjustments, way to go coaching staff. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on October 30, 2005, 07:37:26 am
BfB,,, I agree that the TU performance at Rhodes was a good one, but what is puzzling is that they still don't seem to have 'hit their stride'...  They still haven't hit on all cylinders... even when they are out of sync they seem to find ways to win.  The Black Flag has been the constant.  Holding teams like Rhodes to 6 points on two FG's is huge.  When the Tigers fire on all cylinders, I think they're capable of hanging 55 points on people and holding them to 10 or less...  That's something to look forward to,,, heading into November!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on October 30, 2005, 08:07:18 pm
The Rhodes Offense was nothing to write home about, from what I have heard.  But still, great job by the Black Flag.  The front four on defense had a monster day.  Keep it up Tigers!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on October 30, 2005, 08:14:39 pm
Regarding Trinity's offense, I didn't expect them to put up that many points on a solid Rhodes defense.  Steinert and Brunner were all over the place from what I heard on the radio.  I think the OL's wore them down like they did to Centre last week.  Sounds like the offense is starting to come together.  Scoring 40 points a game is no indication of getting an offense on track, historymajor - see '03 and '04 for examples.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 31, 2005, 04:08:43 pm
Re the Rhodes offense struggling this year - Mr. Swanstrom is a pretty hard guy to replace. 

Re the Rhodes defense - six sacks on the day.  I can't remember the last time a Trinity team gave up that many sacks.  Certainly not this year - had only allowed seven TOTAL before Rhodes. 

Congrats to Jacob Cannon and Donny Palmertree, named SCAC PoTYs for their performances last weekend.   

Interesting Trinity stat:  so far this year, outscored opponents 56-0 in the third quarter. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DanSwan on October 31, 2005, 08:14:33 pm
Thanks
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on October 31, 2005, 08:26:33 pm
It's not all Swanstrom being gone...that offense has flaws in it, and it didn't help that their starting QB is still hurt.  That defense was the real deal, from what some of the guys told me.  Getting 5 sacks against the Tigers OL's is a pretty amazing accomplishment.  But, from what I've heard, Cannon held on to the ball too long on at least 2 of those sacks.  Still, it's a good sign that the Tiger offense moved the ball all over a solid D like Rhodes'.  Here's hoping they can keep it up against an improving Sewanee team.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on November 02, 2005, 10:10:20 am
Ahhhh,  cool mountain air,,,, leaves turning brilliant fall colors, and the Trinity Tigers matched up against the Sewanee Tigers... now that's fall football at it's best!

My prediction is TU rolling to 8-0 ,,,,  TU 34 - UoS 17
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on November 02, 2005, 02:55:03 pm

If Coach Mohr is driving the bus, I predict uh....

TU 74
Sewanee zip

I predict the same for the Bears and whomever they are playing this weekend
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on November 02, 2005, 03:34:41 pm
How about the Trinity Tigers vs. a hurricane...but the hurricane's name is "Steve."
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 02, 2005, 06:14:26 pm
historymajor;

Make sure we get to see some fall leaves when you post those pictures this weekend!!  Still too green in South Texas!  Must be nice to visit Tennessee this time of year.  Y'all enjoy, y'hear?

Yell for those Tigers, for us, will you?  Bring back another "W".
Git 'r done, men.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 03, 2005, 10:25:13 am
DePauw is ranked tenth in the latest regional rankings (http://www.ncaasports.com/football/mens/polls/polls/diviii).  Trinity is still #1, UMHB #3, HSU dropped a place to #7, and bewilderingly Ferrum is still #2. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on November 03, 2005, 12:12:05 pm
ttu719803,

Good one!   :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on November 03, 2005, 07:24:43 pm
(El Tea Gray) (Home Away From Home?)

TU Volleyball           Nov. 4th, 5th and 6th               Sewanee, TN
TU Men's Soccer      Nov. 4th                                    Sewanee, TN
TU Women's Soccer  Nov. 4th                                   Sewanee, TN
TU Football                Nov. 5th                                   Sewanee, TN

WOW!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 03, 2005, 11:49:09 pm
DePauw is ranked tenth in the latest regional rankings (http://www.ncaasports.com/football/mens/polls/polls/diviii). Trinity is still #1, UMHB #3, HSU dropped a place to #7, and bewilderingly Ferrum is still #2.
 

Bonzo,  if Ferrum can pull it off, then more power to them.

If Ferrum players let it go to their heads, then Methodist or CNU will be very appreciative of the "psych-ops" job that the Selection Committee did on them! :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 04, 2005, 12:29:18 pm
Well, Ralph, you know I don't like seeing teams getting home games and easy games they don't deserve.  If Ferrum ends up #2 and HSU stays at #7 (not sure why they dropped this week, either) then HSU goes to Trinity (yeah, they go regardless) but Ferrum ends up the beneficiary playing a #8.  PU.

I was very happy to see Keith McMillian announce in today's Around the Nation (http://www.d3football.com/atn.php) that he will be covering this year's Monon Bell game (http://www.depauw.edu/ath/football/monon/index.asp).  My original plan was to cover the game, and there were even cheap airfares to let me do it.   I ended up having major church responsibilities the morning after the game, and there was a chance that I might get hung up and not be able to get back - there was only one flight that would let me cover the game and get back Saturday night.  So, regretfully, I passed on going.

In any case, it's better for DPU and Wabash to get coverage on a national level than on a regional, so y'all treat Keith right.   He's a better writer, too.   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on November 04, 2005, 01:22:10 pm
Just be sure to tune into DirecTV 321 - or find a viewing party in your area - if you can.

http://www.wabash.edu/alumni/mononbell

There are parties in Dallas, Houston and San Antonio. Just be sure to wear RED!  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 04, 2005, 07:10:20 pm
Ron, let's hope that the committee will give Ferrum a regional ranking that most of us can undertand.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on November 04, 2005, 08:45:22 pm
Ralph,,, Ralph, Ralph, now you're expecting East/regional bias to step back..... get a grip..... Just because Ferrum is the only (well almost) undefeated East team,,,, you don't suppose that they would get some kind of favorable bias?????
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on November 04, 2005, 10:54:34 pm
Funny, I think the people at Ferrum would plotz before they would be considered East.

And wouldn't the D-3 bias be western, anyway, with Linfield, Whitewater, etc???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2005, 01:44:15 pm
Cameron Hummel's pass on the first play of the game picked off and returned 29 yards for a score.  He atones for it on the next series by carrying it 66 yards to tie the game.   

Rose tries an onside kick but DPU recovers, coverts a fourth-and-11 on the 28, 14-7 with 12:25 left in the first. 

Charlie Key fumbles, recovered by DPU, Tigers take over at the Engineer 22.  First play is a trick play, Brian Culp finds Weithoff for six, DPU up 21-7 with 12:07 still to play in the first half.  DePauw has scored as many points in the first three minutes of this game as in the last two games combined. 

Rose starts at their five after a holding penalty, can't do anything, DePauw takes advantage of the resulting short field.  With most of the work being done on the ground by Jeremiah Marks, DePauw now holds a 28-7 lead with 6:54 left in the first. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2005, 02:15:19 pm
Trinity has an almost 90-yard drive to start the game but Cannon's pass is intercepted at the Sewanee 1.   Scoreless, 6:04 in the first. 

Sewanee can't move the ball and Trinity takes over at the 41.
Ray Valencia scores on a 26-yard run off the left side.  Trinity leads 7-0 with 2:29 left in the first.

KRTU just announced that Robin Kelner has a slight knee injury and is not returning punts today.

DePauw has a 79-yard drive with Jeremiah Marks scoring his second TD of the game.  Kick is blocked and DPU leads 34-7.

Rose can't do much, DePauw drives about 50 yards and gets a 28-yard Tyler Mallory field goal to increase the lead to 37-7 with 11 seconds left in the half.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on November 05, 2005, 02:42:43 pm
Willie Horn 5 yd TD run with 12:18 left in 2nd Qtr. Huntingdon 7-Westminster 0.
HC moving the ball well but has 1 fumble lost and a missed FG. WC has about 20 yds offense so far.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2005, 02:50:38 pm
Cannon fumbles and Sewanee takes over at the Trinity 22. 

Would not be surprised to see QB change on next series.  Cannon is not sharp after a good start. 

Sewanee gets it to the 3 but the Black Flag stiffens.  Sewanee 20-yd FG with 0:12 left closes the gap to 7-3. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on November 05, 2005, 02:55:20 pm
Westminster drives down and is stopped on fourth and goal at the one.
Willie Horn goes 99 yds for TD to make it 14-0 Huntingdon.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on November 05, 2005, 03:11:32 pm
Westminster drives again and scores on a 4 yd pass to make it 14-7 with 2:25 left in half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2005, 03:25:14 pm
Cameron Hummel has rushes of 30 and 44 yards in RHIT's first possession of the second half, the second for a touchdown, but the gap is still 37-14.  Hummel's 157 yards rushing account for the bulk of RHIT's offense (210 yards). 

Trinity and Sewanee about to start the second half, TU gets the kick to start the half and will start at their 15 after yet another penalty.  Cannon is still in at QB, I imagine he will have a very short leash in the second half.   Three straight rushes gain only nine yards and Sewanee will start at their 45 after the punt. 

DePauw comes right back, an eight-play drive with seven runs and an incomplete pass ends with an 11-yard Jason Murphy TD carry.  The kick is good and DPU again leads by 30, 44-14. 

Sewanee gets to the TU 38 but two straight sacks force a punt, TU starts at their 10. 

DePauw holds RHIT again, drives 44 yards; Dorrius Ford scores from five yards out.  After the PAT it's 51-14.   Ouch!!

Anthony Hicks scores on a five-yard pass from Cannon as Trinity extends the lead to 14-3 with 0:37 left in the third quarter.  9:06, 17 play drive for Trinity, mostly on the ground. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 05, 2005, 03:40:39 pm
Hawks88, keep those scores coming.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on November 05, 2005, 03:46:31 pm
Jamaal Jemison returns interception 67 yds. for Huntingdon TD on first possesion of 3rd Qtr. 13:12 left in 3rd, 21-7 HC
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2005, 03:58:14 pm
Trinity gets down to the Sewanee 8, have a touchdown called back on a hold, gain 10 yards on a screen, called back on another hold, gain 17 yards on third-and-goal from the 25, 24-yard Altman FG makes it 17-3 with 10 minutes remaining. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on November 05, 2005, 04:05:12 pm

Is there something wrong with the TU/UofS broadcast?  I was getting it earlier but I can't get it now.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2005, 04:08:53 pm
I had problems but eventually got back on. 

Sewanee at the TU 37 after two pass intereference and one late hit call against TU.  Third and long.   McAdams gets another sack, fourth and 16.  UoS thinks about going for it but sends the punt team out.  TU ball at their 12. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on November 05, 2005, 04:12:10 pm

Keep 'em coming.  I can't get the stream. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on November 05, 2005, 04:12:57 pm
Not much going on with Huntingdon-Westminster. Have swapped several punts, now about 3 min left in 3rd. HC with ball about own 40.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on November 05, 2005, 04:22:09 pm
More Trinity please.  Is it 17-3?  The game tracker says 21-3.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on November 05, 2005, 04:22:23 pm
After swapping punts again HC loses fumble on last play of 3rd qtr. WC has ball at Huntingdon 35. Score still 21-7 at start of 4th. Neither offense did much at all that quarter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2005, 04:23:21 pm
Final score:  DePauw 60, Rose-Hulman 21.  Amazing.

Final score:  Trinity 17, Sewanee 3.   Very strong defensive effort today from the Black Flag.  The offense missed Kelner.

For anyone who didn't hear, "#4" Rowan lost to 2-5 William Patterson today, 20-19. 
 
Unfortunately for our friends at Huntingdon, W&J now leads Thomas More 25-14 as the fourth quarter gets underway.   A W&J loss would be very helpful to the Hawks' playoff chances. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on November 05, 2005, 04:35:30 pm
3 more punts swapped. HC with ball at own 8 with 10:00 to go in game. No offense at all for HC in second half after moving pretty much at will in first half. Defense stepping up though.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on November 05, 2005, 04:45:47 pm
After HC punt Westminster drives to score on 1 yd run. 21-14 with 5:57 left in game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on November 05, 2005, 04:54:01 pm
On 3rd and 1, Willie Horn breaks away for 56 yds for a Huntingdon TD. 28-14 with 4:28 left in game. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on November 05, 2005, 04:59:15 pm
Bryan Wells intercepts pass. HC has ball at WC 43.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on November 05, 2005, 05:06:11 pm
Golson to Godwin 25 yds for TD Huntingdon. 35-14 with 1:50 left.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on November 05, 2005, 05:11:07 pm
Final score Huntingdon 35-Westminster 14.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DanSwan on November 05, 2005, 05:41:40 pm
Any Rhodes Updates?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2005, 05:59:35 pm
Sorry, Dan, but there aren't any radio broadcasts so the only way to get the score will be when one of the SIDs updates it.  The last score was Rhodes up 29-27 at the start of the fourth ... some time ago. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DanSwan on November 05, 2005, 06:03:54 pm
Bummer, Rhodes lost.
30-29
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on November 06, 2005, 04:55:06 pm
Millsaps seemed fired up for homecoming yesterday and beat Rhodes with a field goal with under 2 minutes left.  It was a sloppy game with lots of turnovers.  Millsaps played their third string QB and he was pretty efficient.  Tyson Roy was running well into the 4th quarter but seemed to be hampered by an ankle injury again.  I have to admit I probably spent too much time in the endzone drinking beer and not watching the whole game, but Millsaps seems to have a good group of guys to bring back next year and make some kind of run.  The trip to SA next week might be ugly!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gil68 on November 06, 2005, 07:49:30 pm
To the DePauw faithful

What have you done today to beat Wabash!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on November 06, 2005, 08:02:44 pm
To the Depauw faithful:

A special thread has been created in the General Football area of Post Patterns dedicated to the 112th Monon Bell Classic.  The Wabash faithful will be more than happy to answer your questions about '05's Little Giants, as well as help to prepare you for the traumatic experience that is forthcoming on Saturday, namely watching your playoff bid fade away like the ring of the Monon Bell will do all the way back to C'ville.  It's hard enough to lose the Monon Bell, but missing the playoffs as well...well that's just salt in the wound. 

Consider this post as your invitation to the Monon Bell thread where you can have all of your outstanding questions about Wabash football addressed, find out what chance you really have on Saturday, as well as take care of your therapeutic needs. 

See you on Saturday. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on November 06, 2005, 09:00:00 pm
Shucks, wally.  You're a real sweetheart.  Thanks for that warm and sincere invitation.   >:(
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on November 06, 2005, 09:15:44 pm
He gets excited doesn't he?  ;)

Please, though, do come discuss the game. I'm curious to hear about potential matchups and players to watch. I've not paid very much attention to you guys this year and am anxious to learn more before the game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CentreDad on November 07, 2005, 01:47:14 pm
Just to give credit for good academic performance:
Ross Weitoff of Depauw and Michael Swartzentruber of Centre were both semi-finalists for the Draddy trophy - National Football Federation Scholar-Athelete Award.  Neither made the final list, but congratulations to both.   :)

The web page with the semifinalist list is below.

http://collegefootball.org/news.php?id=717
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on November 07, 2005, 10:06:07 pm
So...do I even have any reason to get energy up to pull for Millsaps this weekend?  Ron? historymajor? Your thoughts?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on November 07, 2005, 10:52:29 pm
Radio Guy,

Yeah, man.....pull for the Majors!  With a conference win under their belts, the Majors will be focused on upsetting Trinity.  They will at least be geared up for it if nothing else.  The Millsaps' offense was able to move the ball well against Rhodes this past weekend....turnovers kept them from scoring more and led to a bunch of Rhodes' points.  Defensively, the Majors looked pretty good....pitched a shutout in the second half and held Rhodes to just 54 yards on the ground for the game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on November 07, 2005, 10:56:51 pm
The TU Tigers just keep winning.... Sewanee was a game bunch!  Much more than I expected.  I don't see Millsaps coming to SAT and pulling an upset....  my call is TU 41 - MC 21.... (hope they enjoy the Riverwalk)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on November 07, 2005, 11:53:40 pm
my call is TU 41 - MC 21.... (hope they enjoy the Riverwalk)

21 points on the Black Flag, Bob?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: akfox37 on November 08, 2005, 09:50:53 am
trinity's D will NOT give up 21 points. Keep in mind that they only gave up 23 points to TLU (and one of the scores was a defensive one) and TLU has an explosive offense. The defense has been improving week by week as they havent given up a touchdown since they played Centre over 2 weeks ago who's offense was also supposed to be good but they played lights out. The offense has been inconsistent...but thats not going to matter if the defense keeps palying the way it has been.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on November 08, 2005, 09:09:40 pm
Ok,,, I'll give the BF their props TU 41 - MC 10
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: B/L Tiger on November 08, 2005, 11:33:19 pm
Anybody (Trinity in particular) find it interesting or irritating that Trinity cannot get above 9th in the poll?  I realize their scores haven't been consistently of blowout stature as some others, but does an undefeated record and a consistent place around the top ten mean nothing?  A defense averaging 10 ppg allowed isn't that impressive I guess?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DanSwan on November 09, 2005, 01:11:12 am
Polls don't matter in D3
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on November 09, 2005, 07:21:47 am
The Seahawks announced today that they have released Jerheme Urban due to an injury clause in his contract.  He re-injured his stress-fractured/repaired foot in the game against AZ on Sunday. 

They say his only recourse is workman's comp.... well "it's business" in the corporate world of pro football.  We wish him well in his recovery and expect to see him back in somebody's camp next year!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on November 09, 2005, 09:27:46 am
who cares about the D3.com poll?  The only one I would put any merit in is the AFCA.  Even then, it is just a poll.  It is no indication of how good a team is.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on November 09, 2005, 10:14:06 am

Amen to the poll dismissals.  A lower ranking actually helps anyway because it gives the guys more to prove.  Once you hit that top five, you're always on the defensive.  The non-region polls are just for fun.  It's nothing more than ego stroking speculation. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on November 09, 2005, 11:19:48 am
The AFCA poll?? Geez...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on November 09, 2005, 12:51:24 pm
At least the AFCA poll is voted on by coaches who know what they're talking about.  I'm not saying it is valid - like TU2698 said, it's all for fun.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DanSwan on November 09, 2005, 12:54:48 pm
If Trinity wins in the playoffs I promise they will move up in the polls.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on November 09, 2005, 02:28:45 pm
I think many of us here think Pat's poll is a bit more valid. A lot of time coaches sluff off the voting to underlings. Pat knows his pollsters actually care (well, allegedly).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on November 09, 2005, 03:18:49 pm
I don't see how a poll taken by a bunch of people who have never even seen a third of the teams in it play could be more valid than one taken by coaches who talk on conference calls with other coaches every week, and at least have an idea of how everyone stacks up.  No head coach I have ever known has ever passed off the poll to someone else.  The AFCA one is taken pretty seriously. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on November 09, 2005, 07:04:54 pm
So talking on the phone to other coaches makes them magically see the other teams play? Coaches look out for their boys - it's rife with self-interests at times.

Don't forget, Pat's poll has coaches as well.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 09, 2005, 08:36:39 pm
one taken by coaches who talk on conference calls with other coaches every week

That's news to me and I have worked in more than one Division III athletic department.

The AFCA gives its voters far less information than we give ours. Past track record is on our side. Do I need to cite examples? Just this past week the AFCA's #12 team lost to its #23 team. The AFCA's former #16 team just lost two games in a row, one of them 49-20. They ranked St. Olaf (63-9 losers to St. John's) where we did not. They ranked Wheaton #23, then Wheaton lost to a 3-6 team. When Wooster lost to KENYON, Wooster was ranked #15 in AFCA, #24 in D3football.com Same week, UW-Stout was ranked #16 and lost, we had ranked Stout #23. They had Delaware Valley ranked ahead of Mount Union earlier this year.

And that's this year.

I don't see how a poll taken by a bunch of people who have never even seen a third of the teams in it play ...

Reality check: That's indicative of both polls. It's not like games are on TV or anything. If a coach is collecting tapes of Top 25 teams and watching them he's not doing his job -- preparing his team for its next opponent.

I guess you're bitter over the 2½ spots of difference between Trinity's rank in the AFCA and D3football.com Top 25s, but our track record speaks volumes.

How about some playoff examples? These are the rankings entering the postseason:

AFCA: No. 11 Wheaton def. No. 14 Mt. St. Joseph 31-7
D3football.com: No. 14 Wheaton def. No. 25 Mt. St. Joseph 31-7

AFCA: No. 22 UW-La Crosse def. No. 16 St. Norbert 37-23
D3football.com: No. 13 UW-La Crosse def. No. 22 St. Norbert 37-23

AFCA: No. 13 Rowan def. No. 9 Delaware Valley 56-7
D3football.com: No. 9 Rowan def. No. 11 Delaware Valley 56-7

AFCA: No. 23 Christopher Newport def. No. 5 Salisbury 35-24
D3football.com: No. 19 Christopher Newport def. No. 10 Salisbury 35-24

AFCA: 2 of 40 No. 1 votes for Linfield (5%)
D3football.com: 6 of 25 No. 1 votes for Linfield (24%)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on November 09, 2005, 09:05:51 pm
whoop-de-doo.

My point isn't that the AFCA is far superior to your poll.  Polls are all B.S.  They are just a way of speculating everyone from #2 to #300 or however many DIII teams there are.  All I'm saying is that in my experience in DIII football offices, the AFCA poll is a better representation.  You can point out all the upsets you want, but in the end it doesn't matter.  It's like the difference between the old AP Poll and the Coaches Poll in DI.  If I'm going to put any credit into either one, I will side with the people who do it for a living rather than those who cover it from the outside.

I  could care less about Trinity's ranking.  It doesn't matter because no one has seen them play this season except for Ron Boerger.  I actually think Trinity's ranking might be a bit high.

Sorry for having an opinion...go ahead and take more karma.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 09, 2005, 09:14:33 pm
who cares about the D3.com poll?  The only one I would put any merit in is the AFCA.  Even then, it is just a poll.  It is no indication of how good a team is.

I don't see how a poll taken by a bunch of people who have never even seen a third of the teams in it play could be more valid than one taken by coaches who talk on conference calls with other coaches every week, and at least have an idea of how everyone stacks up. No head coach I have ever known has ever passed off the poll to someone else. The AFCA one is taken pretty seriously.

My point isn't that the AFCA is far superior to your poll. Polls are all B.S.
...
Sorry for having an opinion...go ahead and take more karma.

You have just one opinion? Hard to tell. When you make up your mind on just one opinion, let me know. Oh, and in 12 more hours, if you're still making up your mind ... or trashing the more accurate Division III football poll, I might knock your karma again. The hundred or so posters who have karma privileges can only use them every 12 hours on any individual posters.

By the way, your coach used to vote on our poll before the AFCA forced coaches to choose one or the other.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on November 09, 2005, 09:34:52 pm
Where does my opinion waver?  I say that I think polls are garbage, but if I were to put merit in one, it would be the AFCA.  Maybe you don't agree with my reasoning.  I don't care. 

Take my karma points too...what can I do with them - redeem them for prizes?  Can I get frequent flyer miles so I can catch a plane to Danville next year to watch a game?

Don't get so angry because one person thinks your poll is pointless.  If I had the time I'm sure I could point out instances where the AFCA was right and you were wrong.  Tell you what, why don't you go do that and then show me how there are more instances of where you were right as to where the AFCA was right.  I still won't care.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 09, 2005, 10:30:10 pm
If I had the time I'm sure I could point out instances where the AFCA was right and you were wrong. 

You would need a lot of time. There are instances, but not nearly as many nor nearly as egregious.

Blindly follow the poll that has you higher. But it will always have the undefeated teams higher. Not enough of the voters seem to know any better.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on November 09, 2005, 11:23:40 pm
Just a look at the power ratings show that undefeated teams can be well down the list, just because of the company they keep.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 10, 2005, 09:31:43 am
I am a relatively new D-III fan (this year), but I've been dealing with the same type of arguments for several years as a moderator on another message board dedicated to Texas high school football.

Bottom line: Polls are for those of us who don't play and need something to discuss, argue, and criticize during those 6 days of the week when there's no football games.  The only #1 ranking that means squat is the Stagg Bowl winner.

That said, it's always entertaining to see the comparisons, read the debates, and watch as some folks (writers and/or fans) get emotional about which poll is better, who's full of hooey, and why. 

"Polls are like statistics ... 98% of them are made up."   ;D

As a Trinity fan who has seen only the home games, I think they're ranked higher than they deserve, but, hey, the Tigers are undefeated.  The bottom line on TU this year is they find a way to win.  It might not be pretty, it might not be dramatic or powerful, but they've gotten it done ... largely due to the Black Flag.  Well done, men.  Keep up the good work and roll on into the playoffs with the #1 ranking in the South (NCAA).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on November 10, 2005, 09:42:03 am
Just please don't roll over the Majors.  Actually, it always seems Millsaps likes to make it interesting with Trinity.  I would not suggest looking to home field advantage just yet.  Honestly though, I just hope Millsaps can hang in there and not get blown out.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on November 10, 2005, 11:15:30 am
Well said, TigerDad. 

Let's hope the Tiger offense that was at Rhodes and Centre shows up instead of the one at Sewanee.  We know the Black Flag will be there.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on November 10, 2005, 01:08:48 pm

I don't believe in homefield advantage, but  in the last decade or so, Trinity hasn't scored under 40 points or allowed 20 points when they host Millsaps.  The games in Jackson are another story. 

Majors, I'm afraid that the only thing y'all have going for you is that the tigers aren't scoring as much this year.  But who knows?  When that's the case, sometimes the lesser team hangs around and...well, you know.  The tigers have to really show up. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ALONGFORTHERIDE on November 10, 2005, 08:00:45 pm
Bonzo- with a win over wabash does dpu have a shot at a pool c??  what else would have to happen??
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 10, 2005, 09:52:15 pm
DPU is already #9 in the SR regional rankings.  A win over Wabash would substantially improve their QoWI *and* give them a win over a regionally ranked team.  Like I said in this week's column, win and you're in. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on November 11, 2005, 03:52:03 am
It was confirmed tonight that Jerheme's teammates and coaches went to bat for him and he was reinstated and added to the IR....  surgery scheduled for next week in Houston.  Let's hope he makes a full recovery!

It's refreshing to know that sometimes 'business decisions' can be over-ridden by 'good-sense decisions'.  I believe that I owe an apology to the 'Hawks... they seem to have done the right thing!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 11, 2005, 10:35:44 am
I would give a big thanks to the Seahawks' players and coaching staff, who apparently made the ownership see how stupid it was to cut Urb in the hope they could save what turns out to be a whopping $70K.  Urb's contract also had a clause which cut his salary in half if he went on IR.   $70K beats $0K, though!

Being on IR means that not only will Jerheme's surgery be covered (which, to their credit, the Hawks were going to do anyway), but so will his rehabilitation (which they were not).  It also means that Jerheme is out for the season, but with his second break in less than a year, that was probably the case anyway.   

Good luck to Jerheme and thanks to the Seattle ownership for (eventually) doing the right thing. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 11, 2005, 11:01:46 am
You know what?  Every once in a while we get to hear some good news in the professional sports world.  After listening to T.O. and his agent whine and backpedal earlier this week, it's nice to offset that by reading about a classy player who works hard, doesn't cry when adversity comes, and an organization that does the right thing.  Let's see the national media feature THAT on the evening news.

I donate 2 Karma Points to the Seahawks management for doing the right thing.  And 2 more to the Seahawks players and coaches for speaking up on behalf of their teammate & friend.  If I could give them, that is.  Well done, sirs.

And, a tip of the cap to Mr. Urban for his God-given talent, his work ethic and his choice of the high road in pro football.  Thanks for being a role model and showing everyone that sometimes good things do happen to good people, even in the face of difficult trials.  Wishing him a speedy and full recovery ...

"Consider it pure joy, my brothers, whenever you face trials of many kinds, because you know that the testing of your faith develops perseverance.  Perseverance must finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything."
                   ---  James 1:2-4 (NIV)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DanSwan on November 11, 2005, 12:12:11 pm
Scary that he was the second best wide out when he was at Trinity.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dpuinaz on November 11, 2005, 01:00:52 pm
He was the best on that team.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on November 11, 2005, 07:47:34 pm
Ok,,, let me clarify...
Urban was tall, fast and great hands
Hunt was under 6 feet but quicker than greased lightning....
they both followed in the footsteps of Munro, Edwards, Factor, Coffman, Respondek, et al that Mike Burton, Roy Hampton, and Dan DesPlaines counted on.... I think you get the picture... TU has had and continues to have a great passing offense...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on November 11, 2005, 11:07:54 pm
Scary that he was the second best wide out when he was at Trinity.

I'm going to agree with historymajor.  That should say something as to how good those WR's were that season.  Respondek wasn't too far behind Hunt and Urban either.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 12, 2005, 01:06:42 pm
Live webcast (with video) of the Monon Bell game:

http://65.167.13.73:8080/ramgen/encoder/wht2.rm

Live stats courtesy DPU Sports Information:

http://www.depauw.edu/ath/live/football/xlive.htm

Two three and outs so far.  Keith McM is blogging the game in Daily Dose.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 12, 2005, 01:47:48 pm
Wabash wins the field position battle thanks to a stiff wind and scores first on a short FG.  Wabash 3, DePauw 0. 

DPU gets a BIG break when a short punt into the wind takes a funny bounce and hits a Wabash player.  DPU ball in Wabash territory.

Wabash defense stiffens and DPU misses a 36-yard FG.  After one, still 3-0.  Jeremiah Marks has eight yards on six carries so far.  Harbaugh (2-6) is not hitting his receivers, certainly not what you would xpect of a 71% passer. 

DPU 0-5 on third downs, 1-1 on fourth. 

Wabash can't move, lousy punt (one yard net!), but a DPU LB tries to pick up the ball after it has been rolling around and Wabash recovers at their own 27. 

Wabash takes its last timeout of the half with 11:53 remaining.

DPU gets the ball at the 35 after another crummy punt into the wind.  Great scramble by Weithoff on third and four gets it close, Murphy converts on fourth-and-one to the five.  No gain on first, Wiethoff pitches badly but Murphy recovers on the bounce and gains one, sets up third and goal from the 3.  2:23 left.  Handoff to Marks gets DPU half a yard from the goal line.  DPU goes for it ... touchdown Marks.   First second quarter TD allowed by Wabash all year.  7-3 with 1:38 left in the first half. 

Hard to believe that DPU is now 0/8 on third down but 3/3 on fourth.   

Wabash runs the clock so that's how they go to the half.

Underacheiving:  Marks (12 carries, 17 yards), Harbaugh (5-10 for 24 yards). 

Impressive:  both defenses, Ross Wiethoff (4-7 79 yards, 7 rushes for 27 yards).

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 12, 2005, 02:45:06 pm
Meanwhile, in San Antonio - Millsaps and Trinity have exchanged punts.  The Majors are driving from their one - three straight third down conversions on passes from Juan Joseph to Raymece Savage followed by a 31-yard gain by Tyson Roy have the Majors at the Trinity 32.    Majors have a second-and-one at the 23 but Dustin Allen tackles Tyson Roy for a loss on third; Joseph's pass to McCarty on fourth is incomplete and TU takes over at their 24.

DPU holds Wabash on their first series and takes over at their 32.  Wabash holds DPU on their first series and has the ball at their 29. 

Harbaugh escapes a huge rush on fourth and nine and Ray Green makes a nice leaping grab inside the red zone to prolong the Wabash drive. 

Wabash goes for it on fourth and goal from the five ... option play, Chris Ogden easily scores on the pitch.  Wabash got a HUGE break when Harbaugh fumbled the snap on third down but was ruled down - DPU would have otherwise had a 95-yard fumble return for TD.  10-7 Wabash with 3:11 left in the third. 

Trinity takes a 7-0 lead on a 51-yard pass from Jacob Cannon to Matthew Weldon.  Millsaps already back in Tiger territory after a 38-yard pass from Juan Joseph to Rashad Brown.   The Majors get to the five but penalties (personal foul and intentional grounding) push them back.  Majors go for it on fourth and 29 but Joseph's pass falls incomplete. 

Wabash holds DePauw on the first drive of the fourth quarter, Harbaugh's deep throw is intercepted by Brendan Berigan.  DPU in business at the Wabash 34. 

Trinity now up 14-0 as Jerrold Jones starts to get his rushing on (4 carries, 37 yards in a 71-yard drive). 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 12, 2005, 03:25:59 pm
DePauw can't take advantage of the turnover, now 0-12 on third downs.  Punt is fumbled, then blocked.  Wabash takes over at their 38.  10:21 left in regulation. 

Kyle Piazza takes a pass out of the backfield, escapes wide of a would-be tackler and tiptoes 37 yards for a Wabash touchdown.  The Little Giants, the first team to score into the wind all day, now lead 17-7 with 7:10 remaining. 

Trinity leads 21-0 with 1:29 left in the first half.  A 61-yard completion from Cannon to Zach Byars led to a short TD pass from Cannon to Ray Valencia. 

DePauw rapidly into Wabash territory, fail to convert yet another third down but convert yet another fourth down.  Two plays later Wiethoff finds Chase Jonason for 21 yards and a touchdown.  With the extra point it's 17-14 with 5:14 remaining. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 12, 2005, 03:44:09 pm
Wabash starts near midfield after an excellent return by Brendan Berigan.   Harbaugh escapes some pressure and completes a huge pass on third-and-long to keep the clock running.  Wabash now third-and-nine at the DPU 25, Tigers take their first timeout with 2:15 remaining.   Not FG territory, too much wind. 

Wabash pooch punt to the DPU 9.  Wiethoff has 1:55 and one timeout to work with. 

DPU gets to midfield but again can't convert on third down, Wiethoff's pass to Jonason on fourth down falls incomplete.  Wabash gets the Bell back!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 12, 2005, 04:15:36 pm
Final Stats in the Monon Bowl:


                   WC        DPU
1st Down           14         12
Rushes-Yds        41-79     36-77
Pass Yds           178       174
Passing         15-27-1   11-24-0
Plays-Yds        68-257    60-251
Avg/Play          3.8        4.2
Kick Ret          2-64      2-39
Punt Ret          2-1        0-0
Fumb-Lost         1-1        2-1
Penalties         5-34      3-20
Punts            7-27.6    8-29.8
Possess          34:20     25:40
3rd-Dn Eff        5/15      0/14
4th-Dn Eff        2/2        4/5


Passing:
Harbaugh 15-27-1 178 yards and 1 TD
Wiethoff 11-24-0 174 yards and 1 TD

Rushing:
WC:  Roop 14-52,  Ogden 12-45, 1 TD
DPU: Wiethoff 11-38, Marks 19-31, 1 TD

Receiving:
WC:  Green 4-33, Summers 4-29, Walker 3-59 Piazza 1-37, 1TD
DPU:  Culp 5-100, Jonason 3-51, 1TD

Defense:
WC:  Pynenberg 11 tackle (2 solo), 2.5 for loss; Parker 6 (3 solo), 1 for loss
DPU:  Sylvester 9 tackles (5 solo), Brandenstatter 9 (1 solo); Lewis 8 (4 solo), 1 for loss, Hertel 8 (2 solo), 3 for loss, 2 sacks, 2 QBH; Lasley 8 (1 solo), 0.5 sack, 1 QBH

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 12, 2005, 04:27:37 pm
Trinity now leads 27-0 on the strength of two Kelly Altman field goals.  One funny thing that came up in the game ... an unsportsmanlike conduct call aainst Millsaps somehow did NOT result in an automatic first down?  I thot all personal fouls were automatic first downs ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 12, 2005, 04:57:04 pm
Centre jumped on Rose-Hulman early, hung on for a 21-16 victory.  Good luck to the Engineers next season in the HCAC.

Trinity now up 34-0 and there are subs in all over the place on both sides.    Make that 41-0 as Chris Baer scores his first collegiate touchdown from 22 yards out.   6:39 left. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on November 12, 2005, 06:12:32 pm
Regarding TU-Millsaps:  I think Millsaps needs to file charges against Saunders and his staff - they are stealing whatever they get in salary, because they sure don't work for it.  That is the worst display of coaching I have ever seen.  They have one of the best offensive lines I have seen this year, and Tyson Roy was running great, and all of a sudden they decide to stop giving him the football.  They were averaging over 4 yards a carry, and they threw the ball 27 times (completing only 9)?  I was shocked that they stopped pounding the ball at the Tigers.   If I have that O-Line and running back, I run the ball 40+ times a game and control the clock.  Millsaps needs to ask for its money back.  I guess there's a reason all those guys are in division 3 rather than the SEC...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 13, 2005, 12:08:34 am
While we are waiting for the final projections from PC & Co ... a look at the comparative SCAC seasons of Trinity and DePauw.

Trinity outscored the other five SCAC contenders 161-22.
DePauw outscored the other five SCAC contenders 166-45.

The only SCAC team to score a TD on Trinity was Centre.  That touchdown was the only second half score yielded by Trinity in the five games. 

What a shame DePauw couldn't have pulled out either today's game or the season opener.  The SCAC deserved two playoff teams this year.  I guess they do have a chance as it's likely two two-loss teams will go, and the two losses were close losses against ranked competition ... but it's still a stretch. 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on November 13, 2005, 09:35:09 am
Bonzo, what do you think about the south seedings?  Although after playing TLU early this season, I predicted they might beat HSU or UMHB,,, I really didn't think they could... but they beat HSU last night throwing HSU into the same (2 loss) position as DPU... I'd actually have to give the spot to DPU and would love a chance to play them in SAT.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 13, 2005, 09:48:04 am
With neither DPU or HSU having a quality win (against a regionally ranked opponent), it seems pretty unlikely either can make it in.    Also, HSU's QoWI is 43rd, DPU's 44th.    8-1 Cal Lutheran has a higher QoWI and is on the bubble for the last spot. 

Hey, Trinity needs to thank TLU for that upset last night.  That win was worth 2/9ths of a point to TU's QoWI.  As a result, they are close enough to Thiel (11.00 to 11.1) that the committee should keep TU at #1.  Now all Coach Mohr and company have to do is come up with a game plan to stop that UMHB running attack (unless the AA does something totally unexpected like actually send the #8 seed to TU instead of UMHB). 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on November 13, 2005, 11:03:12 am
It would be nice if HSU got in, because then UMHB and Trinity wouldn't have to play in the first round.  UMHB really deserves to host a playoff game after their success in the past couple years.  I doubt it will happen, though.  I predict that the NCAA will once again screw the Texas teams.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 13, 2005, 11:30:40 am
The best payback for the Texas teams would be to win the Stagg Bowl! :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on November 13, 2005, 11:49:40 am
right on.  enough of this 2nd place B.S.  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 13, 2005, 02:57:07 pm
right on.  enough of this 2nd place B.S.  :)

Bleep the NCAA.  Four more teams or not, they always jerk Texas around (and it ain't just in football). 

Gawd, I hope I can find a decent airfare to SA next weekend.  I really do NOT want to spend 12+ hours on the road to cover the game. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 13, 2005, 03:00:09 pm
Ron, where are u coming from?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 13, 2005, 03:01:55 pm
Dallas (rather, 30 miles north of Dallas).  Six hours each way if the traffic is good.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on November 13, 2005, 04:11:08 pm
I finally got to see TU yesterday, and they are way, way bigger than I thought they were.   However, Cannon seems unable to throw over the middle.  The tigers make a lot of deep throws to the outside and they throw down the line of scrimmage a lot.  Also, Cannon runs for big yardage quite often.  If they are playing equal talent, I think the passing game is really going to struggle.  Jake doesn't seem to have the vision to use the whole field.  I think Blake might have more potential in that department, and he will no doubt play if Jake struggles.  Speaking of that, I love getting to watch the backups come in and TU looks like they've got some real height among the young receivers.  Blake's touchdown pass was just a great play by him.  Cannon seems to be a little more physical and a real gamer. 

Millsaps ran the ball well, and their qb seems like he's pretty good.  The tigers, however, made great plays at the right times over and over.  I don't think there were any bad play calls by the majors' coaching staff, as they seemed like they would have a pretty good shot at yardage on any play they might run. 

If UMHB tries to single block Dustin Allen, which they might because they know they have great talent, I think TU can stay in there against UMHB, but having seen the two teams in separate venues, I have to honestly say that UMHB is far superior physically.  Given that TU just can't do what they've done in the past through the air, and UMHB has a ferocious pass rush, the home team is clearly the underdog in my mind.  Trinity has never done well in that role, but something tells me that this year's group is different.  They seem very, very physical.  All I can say, though, as part of TU's most faithful, is play as hard as you can on every play.  It's going to take a few breaks.  Hopefully, UMHB will be flat after handling them in the same exact place last year. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on November 13, 2005, 04:14:11 pm
  Hopefully, UMHB will be flat after handling them in the same exact place last year. 

I wouldn't place to much hope in that.  ;D
MHB has been playing playoff football since the HPU game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 13, 2005, 04:20:20 pm
In other futbol news ...

#4 Trinity men's soccer advanced to the sweet 16 yesterday with an easy 3-0 win at home ... and the unranked TU women overcame a 2-0 halftime deficit to beat #7 HSU in Abilene this afternoon, 3-2 in OT to advance to their sweet 16.  HSU ends the season 20-2 with both losses in Abilene coming at the hands of Trinity, who scored 4 of the 8 goals allowed by the Cowgirls all season.   Congrats to both teams!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on November 13, 2005, 04:24:13 pm


"to"  precedes a destination as in go back to school

"too" as in too much hope in that

TU as in Trinity University education
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on November 13, 2005, 04:50:42 pm


"to"  precedes a destination as in go back to school

"too" as in too much hope in that

TU as in Trinity University education

You are correct. "to" should be "too."  Unfortunately, my bad typing skills and a low sensitivity on the laptop's keys make for interesting spellings occasionally.  I've even screwed up my name a few times.  Always a plus in gra school.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on November 14, 2005, 11:02:56 am
Millsaps ran the ball well, and their qb seems like he's pretty good.  The tigers, however, made great plays at the right times over and over.  I don't think there were any bad play calls by the majors' coaching staff, as they seemed like they would have a pretty good shot at yardage on any play they might run. 

They made bad decisions every time they tried to pass the ball.  Millsaps was tearing them up on the ground, and all of a sudden tried to air it out.  I love seeing Trinity whoop up on Millsaps (after the '00 debacle), but seeing what little use that staff made out of the athletes they had made me feel bad for those players.

It's gong to take the best effort of the year for the Tigers to pull this one out.  But remember, they were in the game until about 6 minutes left in the 4th when DesPlaines threw a pick in the red zone and it was returned about 60 yards.  It was all downhill from there.

Either way, it should be a great game!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 14, 2005, 11:10:23 am
I think Trinity is going to have its best game of the season through the air to have a chance.  I don't see TU getting 200 yards rushing against the MHB defense. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 14, 2005, 11:26:34 am

They made bad decisions every time they tried to pass the ball.  Millsaps was tearing them up on the ground, and all of a sudden tried to air it out. 

When Millsaps started the game, though, weren't they passing almost exclusively?  I seem to remember something like six straight passes.  It also seemed like they were having a lot of luck finding Raymece Savage for conversions on third-down early.  Savage was the starting QB for much of the season, but he seemed more effective as a WR (again, at least early) than QB.   

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It's gong to take the best effort of the year for the Tigers to pull this one out.  But remember, they were in the game until about 6 minutes left in the 4th when DesPlaines threw a pick in the red zone and it was returned about 60 yards.  It was all downhill from there.

Either way, it should be a great game!

Agreed.  Jake's not going to have a whole lot of time to stand around in the pocket, either.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on November 14, 2005, 11:32:48 am
Ron B. and DePauw supporters:

Re: DePauw and the Monon Bell game--DePauw gave a superfine account of themselves and represented the SCAC very well!  One hell of a game.  Wabash players I spoke with after the game were unanimous in saying that Depauw was the best team they had played all season, particularly on defense, and that they really deserved to be in the playoffs.   It's too bad that circumstances didn't allow for that.  Even with their opening loss to Wesley, had they played Trinity and won, it might have gotten them in over Capital.  I am not suggesting that they would have beaten Trinity, but we will never know.

Anyway, it was great to see the L'il Giants give DePauw the credit and respect they earned on the field on Saturday.

Best of luck to Trinity--and other Texas teams as the playoffs get underway.
 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 14, 2005, 12:03:19 pm
Thanks, BashDad ... I think it would have been a really good game.  I wish DPU would have gotten the week one opener against Wesley so they could have had the chance to continue playing.   Tim Rogers has done a very fine job in his first season in Greencastle and it should be interesting to see how DPU progresses as he brings in his recruits.

Unfortunately, there's only one other TX team in the playoffs ... and that number will be halved after they meet on Saturday.  If I ever win the lottery I will personally fund a geographically neutral South Region playoff bracket.   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Werner99 on November 14, 2005, 12:30:22 pm
Best of luck to the Trinity Tigers in the playoffs.  I hope you represent the SCAC well and play for a long, long time.

The Bell game this year was truly a heart-wrenching game.  Wabash made just enough plays to squeak by us.  Overall, the atmosphere was extremely intense & unbeatable in almost every way and the weather was beautiful for mid-November in Indiana.

I can't begin to describe to you how important this game is to the Wabash & DePauw communities.  This loss will hurt for a very long time.

BashDad, those were very kind words and it almost sounds like Wabash is giving DePauw some respect.  The rivalry has certainly been "prettied-up" since the mid-late 90's, probably for the better.  I always thought the players gave each other more respect than the general fans and student population.  It would be nice if more of the fans followed their leadership, but that is also part of what makes this game the way it is.

Nevertheless- Hopefully, Wabash's season will end soon (That's just the nature of this game :).).  However, if TU ever gets a shot at them, I hope you beat them by 50 points.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: B/L Tiger on November 14, 2005, 01:41:09 pm
What exactly is the criteria used to establish how each region is ranked?  If I read the bracket correctly I think I saw the East and North Bracket with more two loss teams than no. 4 South region.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on November 14, 2005, 02:17:25 pm
I think Trinity is going to have its best game of the season through the air to have a chance.  I don't see TU getting 200 yards rushing against the MHB defense. 

TU will have to be able to run the ball effectively, which I think they can do.  I don't see 200 rush yards, but they need to muster more than the 25 yards they got last year.  They have been their best this season when they run the ball effectively.  Hopefully, Kelner will be healthy too - TU really needs him back to have a shot.  He can get that passing game going.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 14, 2005, 02:29:10 pm
What exactly is the criteria used to establish how each region is ranked?  If I read the bracket correctly I think I saw the East and North Bracket with more two loss teams than no. 4 South region.

Pat said (in Daily Dose) that it goes by the strength of the region's top seed, not by the strength of the bracket as a whole.  So the claim would be that Delaware Valley is stronger than either Wabash or Trinity ... DV has the highest QoWI of the three (for whatever that is worth having gotten it against crappy East region teams). 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ALONGFORTHERIDE on November 14, 2005, 02:30:56 pm
BFB-  Any early guess on the Offensive/Defensive POY in the conference??  I guess its not too early since they usually come out this week.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 14, 2005, 02:44:16 pm
BFB-  Any early guess on the Offensive/Defensive POY in the conference??  I guess its not too early since they usually come out this week.

Don't really see the typical standout players in the conference this year.  Possibilities include DU's Marks, Centre's Blandford, Centre's WR Clarke (Kelner would have been right there if not injured the last two games).  I don't think anyone at QB has a chance.   Cameron Hummel would probably have had the best chance but RHIT struggled down the stretch again.   Marks probably has the upper hand given his 16 TDs. 

Defensively ... I've liked what I've seen from Dustin Allen (TU) but he doesn't have gaudy stats ... just timely ones.  DPU's Hertel is a good one, as is Steinert from Rhodes.  Matt Johnson leads the conference in tackling and has a few INTs as well. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ALONGFORTHERIDE on November 14, 2005, 03:06:38 pm
I just took the time to look at the conference web site(stats) and I agree with the nod to marks....defense will be a crap shoot!! ???

Interesting stats after a quick glance....RHIT led the conference with the fewest sacks given up 11 (tied w/DPU) but also managed to last in sacks by (12). ;D

6 of the top 10 players in points scored are from TU and DPU :o

Altman should run away with Special Teams POY

The top eight tacklers in the conference are from the bottom 3-4 teams in the conference, hmmmm... ;)



Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ALONGFORTHERIDE on November 14, 2005, 03:47:17 pm
Fans Chime In On Who You Think The SCAC's Top Offensive Player IS!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on November 14, 2005, 04:59:07 pm

Check out the ASC board.  A lot of them are talking about the second round, when they'll get a home game, bus trips, and all the nonsense that follows beating Trinity. 

Hopefully, these same guys are talking to the players.  The fans clearly aren't thinking much about this first round game.  It makes me want to play. 

There are a few that are trying to bring everyone back to earth, but the prevailing tone is automatic win. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on November 14, 2005, 05:16:37 pm
werner99:

Would I be right in saying that you're conflicted--Wabash and DePauw players, those who have met on the field, have always been very gracious in their comments about their opponents on Bell Day.  It's us fans and, yes, you are now one of them, who have been ass-holes.  The DePauw and Wabash rivalry is a great one, one of the oldest and the best.  Still, that does not mean that the brain has to shut down when it comes to relaying comments on the football game and how it is to be played.  I hope you would agree. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on November 14, 2005, 06:32:50 pm
Maybe the problem is the ‘regions’ themselves…. I’ve long complained that the ’south’ region got changed forever when the ASC grew into it’s current proportions…. the south extends from PA to West TX… The west covers all of CA as far east as ’some’ of the WI schools, while others are in the North. Pat has mentioned that Lakeland and Whitewater are in different regions…. Maybe now with 32 teams they should consider trying to balance things out in 8 regions. Maybe the regions need to be dynamic and be ‘re-drawn’ after the top 32 teams are identified, and 1-32 has been established and strength of region/travel/???? could be factored in…
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 14, 2005, 06:46:55 pm
historymajor,  I like your idea.  I can't believe 3 east teams received pool C bids.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 15, 2005, 09:28:50 am
... and that they turned around and seeded the Least as the second-best region.  Snarf. 

Looks like perfect weather for football in SA on Saturday:

Gametime temperature 62, high of 67
Winds from the south at 7 mph
Partly cloudy (50% cloud cover)
10% chance of precipitation
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ALONGFORTHERIDE on November 15, 2005, 01:41:11 pm
I talked to my sister this morning and she said that Jeremiah Marks has been hospitalized since the bell game with some uknown illness...apparently this is why he was not out for pregame warm-ups with the team?  Keep him in your thoughts and prayers.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on November 15, 2005, 10:35:38 pm
I knew Marks was VERY sick during the Bell game, but he played anyway.  I hadn't heard that he was in the hospital, but I can't say I've seen him around campus.  Rumor I heard is that he was asleep and getting hydrated right up until kickoff.  I did hear that Wiethoff wasn't feeling well, also, but he didn't seem to show any ill effects during the game.  Here's hoping Jeremiah feels better and is back on campus soon.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Werner99 on November 16, 2005, 06:59:40 am
BashDad,

Agreed.  I think you made clear the point that I was trying to make.  I hope you continue to attend the game even though you might not know anyone playing.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on November 16, 2005, 12:18:31 pm
werner99:

I will attend lots of games, this year and in the future. I will know lots of players still playing. ;D


WABASH ALWAYS FIGHTS!!

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 16, 2005, 02:59:01 pm
Here is a "tale of the tape" from the NCAA stats for both teams:

UMHB individuals ranked in top 50:

All Purpose yards:  PJ Williams, 141.3 (42)
Punt returns:  PJ Williams, 17.8 (5th)
Punting:  Hunter Hamrick, 43.4 (1st)

Trinity individuals ranked in top 50:

Passing efficiency:  Jacob Cannon, 134.8 (45th)
Punt returns:  Robin Kelner, 15.6 (10th)
Field Goals/game:  Kelly Altman, 1.0 (t-10th)
Punting:  Casey O'Bryant, 37.7 (47th)
Sacks:  Dustin Allen, 1.0 (t-15th)
Tackles for Loss:  Dustin Allen, 1.6 (42nd)
Forced Fumbles:  Brant McAdams, 0.33 (t-32nd)

Team Stats:
                         UMHB         Trinity     
Total Offense         428.6  (33)    376.9  (81)
Total Defense         256.7  (17)    261.8  (24)
Rushing Offense       275.0  (11)    176.6  (75)
Rushing Defense        69.8  ( 7)     87.7  (19)
Passing Offense       153.6 (168)    200.3 (104)
Pass Eff Defense       99.1  (43)     94.4  (28)
Scoring Offense        41.3  (13)     27.7  (73)
Scoring Defense         9.9  ( 5)      9.2  ( 3)
Turnover Margin         0.8  (46)      1.1  (20)
Kickoff Returns        20.83 (47)     20.53 (52)
Punt Returns           17.03 ( 2)     13.38 (17)
Net Punting            37.41 ( 2)     30.54 (98)


(xx) is national ranking
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 17, 2005, 09:42:49 am
San Antonio Express-News story (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/localcolleges/stories/MYSA111705.1C.LOC.FBCtrinity.167ef7fc.html) on this weekend's matchup. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on November 17, 2005, 11:40:32 am
The 15th anniversary SCAC football team has been released. It can be viewed here: http://www.scac-online.org/anniversary15

The 2005 All-SCAC team will be released as soon as all ballots are in.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crualum04 on November 18, 2005, 03:28:29 am
I think saturdays game is going to be a great game. But man, Dustin Allen sure is popping off at the mouth a little. As a former football player, I would be a little upset if my teammate was running his mouth like that before the game. I sure hope it don't come back to bite him and his team (As a UMHB fan i hope it does). I would like to say that it will be a good game on saturday and good luck to both teams and i wish safety to all the fans traveling to see the game. It sounds like it will be great weather.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on November 18, 2005, 07:49:47 am
Well crum04... (misspelled on purpose)... your attempt to create bulletin board material by calling Dustin Allen's comments about his teams confidence "popping off" was baloney.  What did you expect him to say, that he was overwhelmed and intimidated????  Well he is confident, and not overwhelmed.  The TU guys will bring it and we'll see who the better team is at about 3:30 tomorrow.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 18, 2005, 09:22:17 am
historymajor,  I agree with crualum, he did come off a little cocky.  There is a difference between cocky and confidence.  I expect Trinity to bring their best.  They are well coached and play great defense.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on November 18, 2005, 02:26:55 pm

I don't think what he said was cocky, but certainly anyone on the other side would see it that way which is why it got printed. 

I think cockier things have been said-


"Well, I guess we'll have to hope Western Maryland beats Lycoming so that we can get a home game."
           -Catholic University Coach Tom Clark, 1997 upon the release of the playoff seedings that placed Catholic at Trinity for the first round

"I don't know why everyone thinks this week is different because it's Michigan.  Who are they?  Why wouldn't we just go out and kick their butts like we do to everyone else?"
            -Terry Glenn, 1995 during the week of the Michigan game, which Ohio State lost

``could be a blowout or just a regular victory.''
            -University of Florida defensive end Jeremy Mincey during the week of the Alabama game in 2005 which the Gators lost 31-3 in Tuscaloosa
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 18, 2005, 04:15:12 pm
Yeah, I'm sure the E-N guy went out of his way to cause a little controversy.  Wouldn't be the first time, either.

For those thinking the undersize TU DL is going to be overwhelmed strictly on size, the UMHB OL is about the same size as the TLU OL.  TLU averaged 275, the Crusaders 280.  It could be argued that UMHB's OL is better than TLU's, but size alone is not going to be the determining factor. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Werner99 on November 18, 2005, 04:39:28 pm
Best of luck to Trinity this weekend.  Wish we could be playing you, but I'd love to see the SCAC represented well.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on November 18, 2005, 05:19:06 pm

I think we'd rather be playing you, too.    :-[

No offense to DePauw, but size matters when you're fast, too, and UMHB is bigger and faster than most. 

Whatever, our guys never quit, it's goiong to be a tough one.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 18, 2005, 05:39:36 pm
Ron, I don't think there is any question that the UMHB o-line is better than TLU's.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on November 18, 2005, 06:13:40 pm
seriously...comparing TLU's O-Line to UMHB is like comparing apples and potatoes.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TUford55 on November 18, 2005, 07:33:58 pm
UMHB's o-line may be big, strong, and quick for their size, but  D. Allen and the rest of the TU D-Line are quicker, smaller, and pound for pound are probably the stronger.  D. Allen is a freak and B. McAdams is a smart, tough leader who is their heart and soul.  The 'black flag' will be blowin' in the wind tomorrow for sure boys.

I'm not knocking UMHB though, I was part of the TU team last year that met our fate at the hands of 'The Cru' so I am not down-playing their team's capabilities what-so-ever, actually, I believe that they have if not THE BEST, ONE OF THE BEST, ground games in the nation, depending on team morale and momentum at the time.  (Elex Reed and his D-line are no joke either...and I bet TU is glad Zunker is gone)

Best of luck to both teams tomorrow, I am driving in from H-town to see two D3 Texas Titans collide, and I am pumped.  I hope ALL players pack their lunches tomorrow b/c its going to be a solid afternoon of hard work.

GO TU!!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on November 19, 2005, 03:46:45 pm

I guess now we know how everyone else felt for so long.  If this is down year for us, I have to say we have it pretty good.  It's still tough to swallow.  Stats can say whatever they want, my Gosh, is UMHB good.  :o
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fico on November 19, 2005, 05:07:07 pm
The game would have been 14 to 6 had it not have been for TU turnovers. 2 interception returns for TDs and a fumble on the 9yd line.  The defense only allowed 197 yds to MHB potent attack.  Congrats to MHB for making plays on D when the oppurtunity arose, but I think we can all agree that the Black Flag was up to the task today.  Hopefully things will work out for us next season, as much as I hate to say represent TX the rest of the way MHB.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on November 19, 2005, 05:36:14 pm
Fico, you are right-on!

In fact, the Tigers might have scored a bunch more had not a lot of the "air gone out" after the three turnover TD's (not to mention Jake's injury).

Who really knows?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on November 19, 2005, 06:27:13 pm
It was a hard fought game... but as Darrell Royal always said, "If 'ifs' and 'buts' were candy and nuts... we'd all have a merry Christmas."

Congrats on a good year Trinity.

<----------Joust 'Em Purple CRUsh!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 19, 2005, 08:58:32 pm
Robin Kelner had a great game.  I'm not sure how many receptions he ended up with, but it was lot.  Also, he was open on several other throws that were off target.

The Trinity D was excellent.  They never quit playing hard and they did a good job against the UMHB offense.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on November 19, 2005, 09:41:30 pm
The game today was a show of great defenses.  The Trinity defense played lights out all day, holding UMHB to 197 yards (I think).  It was just too bad that the UMHB defense played just as well, if not better, scoring basically 21 points by themselves.  The TU offense never got on track, and the UMHB D-line was in the backfield every snap.  UMHB has one of the quickest defenses I have seen at the D3 level.  How some of those guys aren't playing division 1 ball is beyond me.  Congratulations, now go represent Texas!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on November 20, 2005, 01:57:40 am
Trinity fans,

I was at the game today and just wanted to say congratulations on your players' effort today.  IMHO this was a slugfest between two Top 10 ranked teams and two great defenses.

Seeing how I have split loyalties to UMHB and Austin College, I think you guys will begin to see a little more of me on this board.  I am glad to be in your conference now as well.  I'll just be rooting for other teams against you guys twice a year now  ;)

Once again, congratulations on a great game and a great season. !!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 20, 2005, 06:57:57 am
ttu719803, I can think of 2 players who have gone to the Big 12 from the ASC.  Correct my spelling/names here please, but I believe that Tech has a former HPU LB named Nazirrudin and BU has a former UMHB back named Roshon Johnson.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on November 20, 2005, 09:12:16 am
ttu719803, I can think of 2 players who have gone to the Big 12 from the ASC.  Correct my spelling/names here please, but I believe that Tech has a former HPU LB named Nazirrudin and BU has a former UMHB back named Roshon Johnson.

Ralph,

Close, but the guy from UMHB is Shaun Roshon and he started every game this season. 
His stats for 2005 are:

44 receptions
443 yards
10.1 yds/catch
2 Tds receiving 1 rushing and a 98 yd Kick-off return for a td against OU

and according to Baylors site 988 all-purpose yards

Not bad for a small walk-on D3 receiver. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on November 20, 2005, 02:55:37 pm
Kubiak and Reed could definitely be playing Big 12 ball.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 20, 2005, 02:58:29 pm
I hope Kubiak makes all american.  Based on the way he played in the 2004 playoffs, I was surprised he wasn't a preseason choice.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ALONGFORTHERIDE on November 21, 2005, 09:03:30 am
Depauw's 2 losses don't look so bad any more!  They lost 2 games by less than 10 points.....those two teams just won there 1st round games by more than 60 points??  Too bad they couldn't make it to SA :'(
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Werner99 on November 21, 2005, 12:19:26 pm
SCAC All Conference Team is posted:
http://www.scac-online.org/football/05allscacfootball.pdf

Congratulations to all those honored.

However, is anyone surprised that Dustin Hertel did not make the first-team?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tiger_Pride on November 21, 2005, 01:14:51 pm
Can someone explain to me how Dustin Hertel, Brian Culp, and Greg Sylvester didn't make 1st team?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 21, 2005, 01:58:29 pm
Seems like DePauw didn't get a lot of love for whatever reason.  I would have had Marks not only as one of two RBs but Offensive POTY.  Pretty surprised to see Jones and Mears up there.   The selection of Elston (4 tackles/game, 2 total sacks) over Hertel is equally surprising. 

Did coaches really vote in DPU's DiSalvo over Hertel?  Did they get the two switched somehow?  DiSalvo averaged 2.6 tackles per game, totaled four tackles for loss and half a sack.  Hard to believe he would get the nod over Hertel:  5.4 tackles/game, 14 tackles for loss, seven sacks, two forced fumbles, seven QB hurries, and an interception.  I don't get it. 



Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ALONGFORTHERIDE on November 21, 2005, 03:20:04 pm
I don't think Tim Rogers made very many friends among the SCAC head coaches...this could be a reflection of that.  I've heard that similar things happened to him while in the MIAA.  Hertel got robbed!  I think he was the conf player of the week at least 2-3 times and he doesn't get first team??  What about eric lewis, chad homan, sylvester, berigan....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on November 21, 2005, 03:41:08 pm
that would be too bad if that where the case? >:(  Coaches can't let individual problems hurt the players!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 21, 2005, 03:42:29 pm
Ron, very good write-up on the TU-UMHB game for D3Football.com!  Although it didn't turn out the way we were hoping (Tiger fans, that is), it is no shame to lose to a strong(er) team that should go deep in the playoffs this year.  Having experience with a team that made it to the finals but lost, I have seen what a motivation that can be for the guys the next season.  Perhaps the Crusaders have simply made up their minds to get back and claim the Stagg this year.

Was sure proud of the Trinity guys, especially the seniors of the Black Flag.  Very impressive performance, gentlemen.  You guys did everything that was needed to win ... just needed a little help from the O that didn't come this time.  Nothing to hang your heads about ... hope you have all recovered from the disappointment and can instead remember the 9-0 that came before this.  I'm sure all of us PAWS are proud to have been there to see you give it all this season ... for the younger guys, you've got something to work towards next year.  I daresay that UMHB will be there next year again ... you'll get your chance to right the wrongs when next you meet.  They've set the bar pretty high to get out of Texas in the playoffs now ... rise to meet the challenge.

Have a great Thanksgiving and good luck in finals ... Well Done, Men.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on November 21, 2005, 04:16:06 pm
I went back to peak at the stats and it really pissed me off......so here we go

Off POY
a.clark-50 rec 700 yards-6tds
r.kelner-48 rec 598 yards-6tds
w.satterfield-63 ypg rush, 71 ypg passing, 13 tds
-satterfield is the only one I can live with here...when he came back uos was a different team.

snubbed
j.marks-190 rushes for 881 yards 4.6 per rush-16tds, lead the league in scoring????

Def POY
t.elson-40 tackles 4per game, 2 sacks  .2 per game does not make the top 10 list in the conf.  12 tfl's (decent)

d-hertel-54tackles, 7 sacks, 14 tfl's 2 forced fumbles, 1 int, 2 time POW in conf.   and not only was he not the player of the year......he was 2nd team.

This is a bunch of crap....whoever is to blame (rogers, other  head coaches, comish, ad's)  they should be ashamed of themselves.  Maybe RHIT has more sense (leaving the conf) than we think!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on November 21, 2005, 04:25:28 pm
Hertel got robbed from being 1st team, but Dustin Allen should have been the Defensive player of the year.  There was no one who could block him.  What a bunch of crap.  And how does Marks not get consideration for OPOY? Ugh.  For such a "smart" conference, they sure seem pretty stupid.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on November 21, 2005, 04:39:02 pm
Take Your Pic
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 21, 2005, 05:07:57 pm
Are we ready to kill off the SCAC offensive POY survey?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on November 21, 2005, 05:27:20 pm
fine w/me
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 21, 2005, 05:56:25 pm
I think Pat's about to replace the OPoY survey, so here are the results:

Question:      Which player would you vote for as the Offensive POY in the SCAC

Jacob Cannon-TU - 4 (12.5%)
Jeremiah Marks-DPU - 10 (31.3%)
Wesley Satterfield-UOS - 3 (9.4%)
Robert Kelner-TU - 7 (21.9%)
Charlie Key-RHI  - 3 (9.4%)
Ross Wiethoff-DPU - 5 (15.6%)
Adam Blandford-CC - 0 (0%)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on November 21, 2005, 06:45:12 pm
The complaining has started.  This time it can't be said that it's coming from snubbed TU faithful.  Seems that the decision to cancel the trip to SAT (and not be willing to re-schedule) bit the DPU faithful hard!  TU had a great season, but was over-matched by UMHB.  Possibly a face-to-face meeting with DPU might have shown our weaknesses sooner, rather than later...  who will know now?  Too bad the game was not made up... then there may not have been anything to speculate about.  Maybe the "new" SCAC will be bigger and better than ever, and if DPU wants out... so be it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on November 21, 2005, 07:26:01 pm
history major-  I agree with most of your post , however, your tone is a little bit threatning :o.  If DPU wants out so be it?  What are you refering to? 

I think the DPU v. Trinity would have been a great game again!  I think you are suggesting that DPU was scared to play, canceled the trip and refused to try and rescheduleI hope that is not what you are saying.  Because the corrected statement would read....DPU's administration took the advise of the parents and cancelled the trip, offered to reverse their tickets from SA to Indy, went as far as asking Chicago to play RHIT the next week all of which got the big veto from dpu, tu or the league.

I know the above to be fact...I don't know who said no to what after DPU cancelled but I do know this...Trinity did not want to travel to Greencaste...not because they were scared (I respect you more than that) but because they did not want to deal with the same uncertainty on their return trip that forced dpu to cancel.  I also know that chicago was asked to play RHIT (they said yes) but I don't know what happened after that.

Trinity is a great team that played a "so-so" schedule in the regular season and lost big to a great team in the 1st round (I picked them to play in the NC)

DePauw is a great team that played 2 playoff teams in the regular season...lost by small margins to both and did not make the dance.  My opinion Wesley will play UMHB tougher than anyone thinks they will.

Sounds to me like a match-up between the two would have been fun to watch...since that's what you and I a resigned to......WATCHING.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on November 22, 2005, 11:09:37 am
tigerdadplm - don't get upset at historymajor, he says stupid things a lot.  But what's all this about Trinity not wanting to travel to DePauw?  You do realize it's not that easy to just up and schedule a trip for 60-someodd people for a weekend on a days notice (which is what DPU gave TU).  I heard something about playing the game in Crawfordsville.  That is ridiculous.  Im not upset that it was cancelled, it didn't end up hurting us at all, I just don't understand why all of a sudden it somehow partly Trinity's fault for not flying up there.  The good news is that, from what I hear, DPU will come down to S.A. for next year's game.  It should be a good one, I'm looking forward to it already.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DanSwan on November 22, 2005, 12:57:59 pm
Impossible to travel a team on short notice.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on November 22, 2005, 07:58:55 pm
As a new poster and recent player, I'll keep this fairly short to avoid controversy.

The All-SCAC voting this year is laughable. The fact that there is a three way tie for OPOY (including a player that was not even mentioned on this boards poll), and a DPOY that has recieved no votes at all at the time of this post in our poll is a joke. I understand that we are only fans and have little implication on the way the voting comes out, but we can at least voice our dissapointment.

maybe it is personal frustration from not making the list, but it seems like I am not alone in my confusion.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on November 23, 2005, 12:03:29 am
Yeah...I think everybody (from every conf. school) is probably equally upset about the conference list.  I was certainly surprised to see Elston get the nod for DPOTY.  I think Hertel and Allen should have both been there, but I didn't see Allen this year, so I can't possible put one ahead of the other. 

I also had a hard time putting Adam Clark in the same conversation with Satterfield and Kelner.  Kelner is obviously deserving, and Satterfield had a few pretty decent games himself.  If anybody from Centre would have been in the discussion, I think it should have been Blanford. 

I was surprised to see that the coaches said that Blake Mears and Jerrold Jones as  good of a year as Jeremiah Marks did.  I can sort of see Jones, he was there when TU needed him because the TU QB's weren't exactly.... Dan DesPlaines.  I do think Mears is certainly a stretch. 

From a DPU follower's POV, Joe DiSalvo is a great player up front for DPU, but for him to get the nod and Hertel not, is puzzling to say the least.   I was very happy to see Kerry Pappas and Chase Jonason get the nod.  Both of those guys were very deserving.  Also, Sylvester and Berigan were both headscratchers as well. 

Finally, Rhodeskicker, I thought you got hosed.   Would have got my vote. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tiger_Pride on November 23, 2005, 02:41:48 am
Radio_guy,

Since I’m under the assumption that you saw every game I was interested in your opinion on the following:

I was wondering how Clark got picked over Sylvester for 1st team. I was looking at the stats and not only did Sylvester lead his team in tackles with 65 (Clark had 54) but he also lead his team and conference in int.’s with 4 (Clark had 1).

   I was also wondering about Jonason getting first team WR over Culp. Culp had almost double the stats Jonason had.    Culp: rec- 35; yrds – 464 , Jonason: rec-19; yrds – 291

I know Jonason did have one more TD than Culp but I didn’t know if that was a huge deal.  I do think that Jonason is a 1st teamer but why not have a TE spot instead of him taking a WR spot??

   I was also surprised Berigan wasn’t at least a second teamer.

   I don’t even want to go into Hertel’s situation, or Marks not being OPOTY because I think we all already know its complete garbage.

Now I am a DPU fan and in no way and am I trying to take anything away from Clark and Jonason’s accomplishments, I think both they and the other DPU guys selected are 1st  team material and well deserving of the awards. I just thought the other guys mentioned above were as well, based on stats and what I saw at games this season. So I was just wondering what your thoughts are.

One more thing… Do you think this has something to do with Roger’s reputation in the SCAC?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on November 23, 2005, 10:16:58 am
PRIDE-  I have heard that it may have to do with rogers rep?  Don't know enough about it.

As the father of a former player, I do know this, my son felt that he should have been 2nd team all scac as a senior.  he went in to speak with the head coach and he said that if my son didn't get second team he (the coach) was to blame, the way I understand the voting process each team nominates their players then the coach&sid's vote on the entire list.  If you are nominated by your head coach you are given 2nd team automatically.  This may be an old scac rule, but this is how I understand it to be done.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on November 23, 2005, 10:42:40 am
Rhodeskicker - if you are their kicker from this season, then you didn't get hosed at all.  Altman made 9 of 11 field goals, and all but one of his PAT's.  Look at your game against Millsaps to see why you didn't get it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on November 23, 2005, 10:45:31 am
Also, Marks definitely got screwed.  As a TU fan, I want to say Kelner should be the OPOY, but to me, those 2 games missed takes him out of contention.  It should have been Marks all the way.  The only thing I can think of is that the DePauw staf did not put him up for the award.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on November 23, 2005, 11:10:13 am
TigerPride,

short answers for all of your questions, as I'm off to St. Louis for a girls BBall game:

Clark is a good player...and a great friend to me (he lived next door to me freshman year) but I think Sly was better.  Clark did make some great plays when the Tigers showed the 4-4 look, and he'd creep down from the safety position. 

I think Coach put Jonason up over Culp because Jonason is (in my wholly biased mind) the best TE you'll find in DIII football.  There wasn't a TE spot, so I imagine Rogers put Jonason up instead of Culpy.  I don't know that for a fact...I'm just prognosticating. 

Berigan is a player, and deserved SOMETHING.  He's one of the best, if not the best, CB's in the SCAC.  I certainly didn't see anyone (TU aside..of course) that deserved it over him this year.

As far as Coach Rogers goes...I don't know the ins-and-outs of the Trinity situation, but I probably would have handled it much worse than he did.  The rumor mill tells me he tried to put up a plan that wouldn't bring overall record in for the tiebreak (opponents record instead.. which DPU ended with a hearty margin of victory in), which screwed DPU right from the start.  Apparently, (again.. just rumor) all the other coaches and AD's shot it down and went to overall record.  I'd imagine its probably pretty easy to lose some friends over a situation like that... especially (and I've learned this from being with teams when they go south) when you coach for that damn Yankee school to the North.  Not all schools are like that...but I don't think DPU is exactly....welcome wherever they go.  That's the feeling I get when I travel with them.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on November 23, 2005, 02:09:36 pm
ttu71...

I don't think at all that I should have gotten first team. Altman definately deserved that, he had an amazing season. Just a shame that this Trinity team was not the same as the ones that I've played against before, he could have had a lot more opportunities. My honest opinion is that I should have gotten 2nd team. The stats explain it all in my opinion. Especially for my position.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 25, 2005, 11:18:26 am
I guess this is a "better late than never" post.  Earlier this year a link was posted here for Millsaps sports photos.  Apparently a fair number of the football players were unaware that photos were being posted on the internet throughout the season.  For those who are interested, here's the link to photos for all of the Millsaps sports programs and you just click on the football link and then the various photo albums from the season:

http://photobucket.com/albums/v283/Millsaps_Majors/

Each player should have received a Photo CD for the 2005 season.  If you haven't gotten yours (check your campus PO Box), contact me and I'll get one to you.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on November 28, 2005, 08:13:23 pm
(El Tea Gray)  ("The Texas Bracket"  :o )

If SCAC + ASC is a "real bracket" we need to try playing some defense?  In playoff football everyone knows "D" wins games!

I would really, really like to see TU's Black Flag take on Wesley's great offense (oh well, maybe next year). The last time the Tigers played Wesley in the playoffs the BF held them to 3 points (21-3 TU) in the rain.

I just can't wait to see next years edition of the Black Flag; if the Tiger offense can only jell during August.    :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on November 29, 2005, 07:15:18 am
ETG (-11),,, I (-5) think you're right on the mark with your assessment of the BF's re-emergence and the needed maturity of the "O".  Jake and Blake need to develop some confidence in the deep passing game and stretch the field.  The O and D lines need to hit the weights over the winter and come back 20-30 lbs bigger/stronger and I think we'll be fine.  I can't wait to see how the young running backs mature in the next few years too!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on November 30, 2005, 11:08:33 am
The Tigers will have a lot of good young talent coming back on offense.  The Baer kid should step in to grab the starting RB spot.  He looked good in mop up time this year, he's going to be something special.  I also hear there is another pretty good freshman RB on the TU scout team.  Losing Kelner will hurt, but the WR's will still be loaded, and I heard there are some really good freshmen in the freshman class.  The O-line will be the big question mark with only Farney set to return.  Let's hope those young guys step up.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on December 05, 2005, 07:08:33 pm
etg, I thought Trinity's defense was outstanding against UMHB.  They may have been undersized compared to UMHB's line, but the defense was championship caliber.  The o line had a hard time with UMHB's d line.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on December 05, 2005, 07:26:37 pm
Bill Mc,
You are absolutely right-on, that is the reason I said earlier that I would really, really like to see the TU Black Flag go against Wesley's great offense (against Whitewater's offense as well).  The Tiger offense needs to gell this summer, if so 2006 could be another TRINITY year?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: B/L Tiger on December 06, 2005, 01:15:43 am
Quite a bit of offensive gelling for the kind of TRINITY season I think etg is referring to.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on December 06, 2005, 04:26:34 pm
Gelling is not this issue.  They were at the top of their game in week 10.  They didn't have the offensive fire power this year.  The Tigers had two pretty good tailbacks, but neither was a game breaker like Boyce and I don't think either was even as good as Federle.  I think JJ only had 1 touchdown.  They did great WORK, which is great for a conference title.  With so many teams competing for the same national title, you need fire power.  You need home run hitters to win in the playoffs.

TU didn't have that in the backfield, and they didn't have it at WR, as evidenced by not scoring in the second half despite getting deep in UMHB territory three times.  In truth, that can be attributed to the pass rush, but the Tigers really didn't have scorers among them.  Even Kelner, who was really a good player, I think would have been an extra on some of the better teams that the Tigers have had.

What concerns me is whether or not the players believe they can win again in the playoffs.  And hopefully, they won't get complacent with their stranglehold on the SCAC.  It seems that the playoffs are the only true challenge for the Tigers right now, and it's tough to have to wait ten weeks to finally face that challenge. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 07, 2005, 11:40:40 am
I guess what I wonder is whether or not TU can get some team speed back on offense.  The WRs weren't fast enough to get much separation which in turn led to the lack of a deep passing game.    The running game was OK given that opponents didn't have to worry much about the deep ball (with the notable exception of TLU).  I am looking forward to seeing what young Mr. Baer brings to the running game next season - I think he can be very good as a feature back. 

There's a lot more competition for the D3 athlete in Texas these days.  I believe that UMHB has drawn off a number of potential athletes given their recent success and good showing in last year's Stagg Bowl.  Trinity's unfortunate trip to Salem, on the other hand, likely hurt recruiting.  The ASC schools are focusing on their programs and getting some significant transfers from "upper" divisions (QBs Ty Sellars at McMurry, Adam Johnson at HPU to name two of the most visible).  Trinity's costs are pretty high compared to its local foes ... the stadium is less than impressive (tho that will be addressed in the next couple of years) and then there is the  difference in admission standards between Trinity and the teams it encounters in the first round.   All those factors combine to make recruiting at TU a difficult proposition.   

I also think that DePauw is building a very solid program under their new coach.   Given their play this year they will be a challenge next season.  If TU has ETBU on the schedule (which I have heard), that too will be a challenge before the playoffs!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 07, 2005, 02:16:36 pm
BFB, I think that there are a large number of very good student-athletes who are attracted to strong academic schools like Trinity.

When my children were at Lake Highlands HS, they sent one-two players a year to the Ivy League on what looked like an "academic" scholarship with a specialization in Linebacker or defensive lineman.  Yeah, their SAT scores and academic rec's were good, but we knew why they had gotten the invitation (and were happy for them).

All Trinity needs is 3-5 strong athletes with acceptable academic skills to fill the skill positions.

Once a Ty Sellers or an Adam Johnson has gone to a school, that "takes" out that school for consideration by another transfer until he leaves.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on December 07, 2005, 05:41:22 pm
B/L Tiger, Bonzo, TU2698,

IMHO "quite a bit of offensive gelling" = no 9 yard line fumble + no 2 interception runbacks + 2 more offensive TD drives. With both a good class and hard work in August this seems manageable for Coach Mohr and Staff. If so, this would yield a lot closer to the "kind of TRINITY season" that I referred to. Again, the Black Flag must lead the way.

Who really knows  ???

     
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on December 08, 2005, 09:59:20 am
Huntingdon has posted a 2006 schedule on their website and it looks like we have added a couple of playoff teams for next year. Could be a pretty tough schedule.

9/2 @Ithaca
9/9 Sewanee
9/16 @Millsaps
9/23 @Rhodes
9/30 Wesley
10/7 Trinity
10/14 @Colorado College
10/21 @Thomas More
11/4 @SAGU
11/11 LaGrange

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on December 08, 2005, 11:40:03 am

From what I've seen, a great team can only truly stay on top for so long, the exception being Mt. Union, of course.  It's kind of like what we saw with Florida State a few years ago.  They were so menacing for so long, played in a weak conference, then some of the games started getting a little closer and then boom!  The bottom fell out against North Carolina in 2001.  They lost 41-3 and haven't been the same since.  They still have the bullseye on them, but they aren't nearly as threatening as they were.  Yes, they're in a BCS bowl but certainly not because of a great season. 

I'm really worried that perhaps Trinity has befallen the same fate after having gotten smacked around by UMHB.  That game at Huntingdon will reveal a lot.  Of course the DePauw game comes first, but if TU is going to keep it's aura, the Tigers cannot let a young upstart program take them down.  The ETBU game is important too.  Hell, 2006 is going to be a huge year for the Tigers...5 or 6 years ago, Coach Mohr was looking to get out of there, and I have to wonder, after completely turning the program around, how many people would really want to be there should it go on the decline?  I doubt SCAC championships are all that fulfilling anymore. Of course, he's been there an awfully long time to walk away now, but I think next year is going to be a huge, huge year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 08, 2005, 11:43:47 am
Hawks, that is a great schedule.

The Ithaca game is high profile and a great inter-region contest. :)

Seven (7) South Region opponents!  I hope you can get Murvul back in a year or two.

Colorado College can use the games.  I would not be surprised to hear that the SCAC has invited CC to join them in a year or two.

SAGU can use games, too.  The 10th week is a hard week to find opponents!

The Hawks can earn a Pool B bid with that schedule, and maybe a home game!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on December 08, 2005, 04:08:11 pm
Given the opportunity, Baer can probably handle the feature back slot.  Here's what he was doing at this time last year:

 Fiery competitor - Shiner's Baer a keg of dynamite on the football field
   http://www.shinertx.com/shinerhs/va121704.htm (http://www.shinertx.com/shinerhs/va121704.htm)

 A perfect ending - Shiner caps 16-0 season with Class 1A title
   http://www.shinertx.com/shinerhs/va121904.htm (http://www.shinertx.com/shinerhs/va121904.htm)

 Baer facts - Senior leads Shiner to title with 4 TDs
   http://www.shinertx.com/shinerhs/wf121904.htm (http://www.shinertx.com/shinerhs/wf121904.htm)

High school success doesn't necessarily translate to the college field, but it's an indicator of the possibilities ... we'll just have to wait 'til Tiger Time 2006.

(http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/6248/gotigerssm22lt.gif)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on December 08, 2005, 06:43:12 pm
I've heard that Colorado College has already been extended an invitiation into the SCAC...supposedly along with Hanover...don't know if either have accepted or rejected the invitation.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 08, 2005, 07:44:29 pm
Tigerdad, that would make Colorado College-Austin College and Hanover-DePauw as travel partners.

We may hear about these changes by the end of spring 2006.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on December 08, 2005, 08:13:23 pm
What does it say about the coaching staff when you mention all these different obstacles in recruiting and then turn around and see Trinity win the conference championship 13 years in a row?  I think Trinity has one of the best coaching staffs in the country.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 09, 2005, 04:57:01 pm
Trinity's staff is top-notch, which is why they have dominated a league of schools with similar interests and focus.  They ARE still largely recruiting Texas athletes, though, and as such must compete with schools outside of the SCAC for those student athletes.  That is where the "difficulties" in recruiting come into play.

Congratulations to the SCAC players named today to the D3football.com All-South Region (http://www.d3football.com/all-region/2005_d3football_all-south_region.pdf) team:

Second team:
K Kelly Altman, Sr., Trinity
DL Dustin Allen, Jr., Trinity
LB Brian Steinert, Sr., Rhodes

Third team:
TE Chase Jonason, Sr., DePauw
G Kerry Pappas, So., DePauw
DE Dustin Hertel, Sr., DePauw
LB Matt Johnson, So., Centre
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on December 09, 2005, 07:21:14 pm
TigerDad,

I have absolutely no doubt about Baer being able to handle the "Tiger Time 2006" running back slot. Really, I can't wait (guess I'll have to)! Two questions: Will Baer play Tiger Baseball this spring? Is he part of the family of former San Antonio all-sports great Linus Baer? I can't even guess at the number of hours I spent watching Linus Baer play 4 years of high school (San Antonio Lee) varsity Football, Basketball, Baseball and run Track.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DanSwan on December 09, 2005, 10:09:47 pm
Congrats to Brian Steinert, he is a great player.  Top 3 that I ever played against in college.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sampa on December 11, 2005, 09:27:31 pm
Gelling is not this issue.  They were at the top of their game in week 10.  They didn't have the offensive fire power this year.  The Tigers had two pretty good tailbacks, but neither was a game breaker like Boyce and I don't think either was even as good as Federle.  I think JJ only had 1 touchdown.  They did great WORK, which is great for a conference title.  With so many teams competing for the same national title, you need fire power.  You need home run hitters to win in the playoffs.

TU didn't have that in the backfield, and they didn't have it at WR, as evidenced by not scoring in the second half despite getting deep in UMHB territory three times.  In truth, that can be attributed to the pass rush, but the Tigers really didn't have scorers among them.  Even Kelner, who was really a good player, I think would have been an extra on some of the better teams that the Tigers have had.

What concerns me is whether or not the players believe they can win again in the playoffs.  And hopefully, they won't get complacent with their stranglehold on the SCAC.  It seems that the playoffs are the only true challenge for the Tigers right now, and it's tough to have to wait ten weeks to finally face that challenge. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sampa on December 11, 2005, 09:41:48 pm
Reply to TU 2698: Huntingdon's close game against Trinity was no fluke and they have a good chance of beating the Tigers next year given the number of returning starters they have: QB, WR, RB and others. The tigers will definitely have their hands full in Montgomery.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on December 12, 2005, 12:02:08 pm
Sampa,

Huntingwho?  Aren't they that team from Ohio that has lost like 44 games in a row?  You must be looking at Trinity's JV schedule.  I didn't even know that the varsity schedule was finished.  Where did you find it?  I wouldn't count on that game actually being played.  That's an awfully long way to travel for a JV game, so I would have to think that schedule must be tentative. 

Wait, I think we played Huntingdon in 2005.  Wasn't it 37-0 midway through the first quarter?  I remember it well, and I was hoping that the Hawks would prove more of a challenge.  I guess that's why the schools decided to make it a JV game next year.  Alright, I gotcha...the JV team will have its hands full. 

ps- see my post on 12/8
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on December 12, 2005, 12:04:49 pm

Did anyone lose their breath for a second when they saw the Dec. 10 news on the front page of this website?

There are like 18 Trinity's nation wide.  Thank the father, son, and the holy spirit(get it? Trinity?).  I am a genius!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 12, 2005, 04:04:46 pm

Did anyone lose their breath for a second when they saw the Dec. 10 news on the front page of this website?

There are like 18 Trinity's nation wide.  Thank the father, son, and the holy spirit(get it? Trinity?).  I am a genius!

I was listening to the the MUC/Rowan broadcast when they announced this.  Pat Cummings kept saying Trinity (Conn), NESCAC, etc. but K-Mac kept talking about Texas and the SCAC.   Get with the program, Keith!!   ;D 

They weren't saying "Mohr" so I knew it wasn't the TU in San Antonio. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 12, 2005, 04:36:58 pm
Get with the program yourself. Keith McMillan wasn't on either broadcast this week and Pat Cummings wasn't at Mount Union.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on December 12, 2005, 06:26:48 pm
Watch it Bonzo... those karma points you covet are in serious jeopardy!
As much as I hate the Trinity (Texas) tag... sometimes you have to include it!

I tried to listen to the UWW-Wesley game and was frustrated by no score updates....  hey TV is TV, but on radio,,, we don't know unless they tell us... and some join the broadcast 'in progress'.  Frustrating, but I'll get over it....

Anybody from the SCAC going to Salem to see the UWW-MUC showdown?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 12, 2005, 07:14:35 pm
I suppose -- it's a good thing we had a scoreboard on the site that was keeping updated scores for those who missed them on the broadcast, plus the occasional updates on the front page.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 13, 2005, 02:59:42 am
Get with the program yourself. Keith McMillan wasn't on either broadcast this week and Pat Cummings wasn't at Mount Union.  ;)

OK, OK, apologies to both.  But someone on some broadcast did it. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorhog51 on December 13, 2005, 02:45:55 pm
From what I have heard Colorado College will be joining the SCAC in some sports next year, and will join in all sports the following year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on December 13, 2005, 03:22:21 pm
Warriorhog,

For purposes of these boards do you know specifically about football and roundball?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorhog51 on December 13, 2005, 05:38:49 pm
As far as I know football and basketball will not join until 2006-2007.  Next year will be only sports where they have large multi-team meets like cross country, swimming, and track.  I'm not sure what sports will for sure be joining next year, but I am pretty sure they will be a full member in 2006-2007.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on December 13, 2005, 07:02:48 pm
warriorhog 51, Gray Fox,

IMHO "next year" as far as sports go "is" 2006-2007 (this year being 2005-2006).  For Colorado College to be a "full member" of the SCAC in 2006-2007 it seems to me that they should start out the 2006 Fall Semester with Football, Men's and Women's Soccer, Volleyball and Men's and Women's Swimming and Diving (unless any of these are D1 exempt)? Men's and Women's Basketball should follow toward the end of the 2006 Fall Semester (about one year from now)? I hope this does actually happen.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorhog51 on December 13, 2005, 07:49:07 pm
etg,

It should be 07-08 that they will be a full member.  Sorry about messing up the year like that.  Its December and I am still trying to get used to writing 2005 on things.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on December 14, 2005, 05:46:41 pm
etg;

Sorry for the late response ... haven't checked the board in a week or so.  In reply to your questions:  First, no, Baer won't be playing Tiger baseball.  He was a good high school baseball player (maybe more than good with 2 state championships and state MVP), but really prefers football, for many reasons too numerous to list here.  Second, no, Linus Baer is no relation.  We have heard that question before, but do not know much about that S.A. sports legend except what can be found on Google (not much).  If you can tell us more, I'd like to hear it.  Send me an e-mail and we can continue the discussion off the board.

I also look forward to Tiger Time 2006, but will try to enjoy the offseason too.  With all the SCAC changes upcoming and many teams getting stronger, it should be quite an upcoming season.  Time will tell if the Tigers can reload and rebuild stronger next year ... I think they can.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: B/L Tiger on December 15, 2005, 12:29:38 am
Are there any predictions for this weekends game?  I myself have to go with Whitewater upon seeing the scores put up by what must be a juggernaut of an offense.  I hope for their sake that no key players get into "trouble" before saturday.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorhog51 on December 15, 2005, 11:01:35 am
I can't give a score, but I think it will be a close game.  I think that Whitewater will win it.  After beating Linfield at Linfield and destroying Wesley I don't think it matters how good Mount Union's defense is now.  I don't think it will be a blow out, or even a high scoring game, but I think Whitewater comes out on top.  However, aftering beating Wesley that bad they might be a little overconfident which can bite them in the butt.  Its up to the coaches and seniors to keep the team focused this week.  If they can do that, then I think they will win.  Whoever wins I think it will be a really close game and it might come down to who has the ball last.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 19, 2005, 01:17:58 pm
Congrats to Trinity's Dustin Allen, named honorable-mention All-America (http://www.d3football.com/tow/05/allamericans.htm) by the national D3football.com voters.   He was the only SCAC player named to the team. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on December 21, 2005, 06:48:01 pm
(El Tea Gray) (2005 Final D3 Polls)

Trinity ranked 19th in 2005 Final D3 football.com Poll and 17th in 2005 Final AFCA D3 Poll. Truthfully, this is about where the Tigers should NOW be rated, and they probably should not have been ranked much higher any time during the season (possibly 15th at the end of the regular season schedule). Certainly the rankings of 7th and even 10th were ..., well you know!

Projection: TU starts 2006 Preseason ranked "a real" 15th, based on Black Flag strength, and if the Offense gells (it will) moves up to "a real" 7th (maybe 5th) by the regular schedules end.  Playoffs ???

Comments?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: B/L Tiger on December 23, 2005, 04:45:57 am
Hard to say.  The Tigers have quite a few gaps to replace on the o-line with Farney being the only returning starter.  Despite the loss of two great runnig backs (both having been at least voted once on the SCAC 1st team) there is legitamate promise on Baer, especially with a sizeable Plotnick in the backfield.  I think the real question is whether Cannon is going to be able connect with his receivers next year.  Surely next years o-line with have a big deal to do with that.  As far as the defense goes, there were some good players lost, but with what hey have coming back i think last year's Black Flag will be as formidable if not more.  And Allen will a 1st team all-american.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 23, 2005, 10:26:32 am
And Allen will a 1st team all-american.

I was a bit disappointed to see him only 2nd-team all-South, to be honest.  That's what happens when the team doesn't have the success it has enjoyed in seasons past - players get overlooked.  His play was IMO deserving of first-team regional honors.

I was happy that the national voters got it right and that should put him on some other people's radar.  It's not easy being a dominant DT when you're 5'11" but Dustin's heart (and play) is much larger. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on December 23, 2005, 06:55:15 pm
Bonzo,
Once again you are right-on; Dustin Allen's heart and game is at least 6'5"--275lb. IMHO there are a number of other Black Flaggers on the squad with huge hearts as well. I just can't wait until August!

B/L Tiger,
I kind of see Blake taking over the starting job from Jake this summer; he just seems to see downfield so much better. I think the old saying "when you have two starting Quarterbacks, you don't really have a Quarterback" may have been true for the Tigers this past season. If that happens again this next year (I truly believe it won't) then "for shame on us".

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Llamaguy on January 05, 2006, 12:48:05 am
HOOK'em Horns!

Congrats to the great state of Texas. ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: B/L Tiger on January 05, 2006, 05:40:42 am
Seconded.  Best of luck to Houston in getting that idiot's (Bush) esteem up to par for NFL standards after one of the most bone-head of plays I have ever seen.  Not that the state of Texas, or Houston,  isn't thankful (along with that blown non recall call on UT's first touchdown).  But lets not make this the D1 Football.com forum.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on January 05, 2006, 03:13:06 pm
My son seems to believe that DPU's db coach Kaz will be leaving to be the DC and asst head coach at Butler with former DPU coach voris.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Werner99 on January 05, 2006, 03:20:40 pm
My son seems to believe that DPU's db coach Kaz will be leaving to be the DC and asst head coach at Butler with former DPU coach voris.

Jeff Voris is a high quality coach.  He is a good leader and had the respect of the DePauw team when he was the offensive coordinator a few (too many :)) years ago.

He turned around the Carroll program and I expect him to do the same at Butler.  I am very interested in seeing how he performs there.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on January 06, 2006, 10:27:44 pm
Austin College Names Gage Head Football Coach

 SHERMAN – Austin College officials announced today that two-time Texas 5A State Championship football coach Ronnie Gage will take over the Austin College Kangaroos football program.

 Gage, a native of Decatur, Texas, comes to the Austin College athletics department from Lewisville High School, where he served as Head Football Coach and Athletic Director from 1991-2005.  While at Lewisville, Gage coached the Farmers to two Texas 5A State Championships and was named the District 5-5A Coach of the Year three times and the District 6-5A Coach of the Year twice. 

Gage also earned District 5-4A Coach of the Year honors while serving as the Head Coach of Northwest High.  Gage coached at Northwest from 1987-1990, and in his 18 years of coaching at the high school level compiled a career record of 137-60-9.  Before becoming the Head Coach at Northwest, Gage served as Offensive Coordinator at Lewisville from 1984-1986, and as Running Backs Coach at Lewisville from 1981-1983.  During that time the Farmers compiled 48-15-6 record and were two-time District Champions.

 Gage’s teams have won five District Championships, were three times area finalists, and twice were regional finalists.  Gage served as the President of the Texas High School Coaches Association in 2004 and 2005, and was the regional director in 1999.  In that same year he was a recipient of the Fox Sports Coach Who Makes a Difference award.  Gage has twice been named the Texas Sportswriters Coach of the Year, along with being honored twice as the Northeast Tarrant County Coach of the Year.  In addition, he was named the Dallas All-Sports Association Coach of the Year in 1996, after leading Lewisville to a perfect 15-0 season and a state title.

 “In addition to his coaching credits, we feel that Ronnie’s other attributes make him an excellent fit for this institution,” said Vice President for Student Affairs and Athletics Tim Millerick.  “He is a fine man with a long record of success working with young people and he came with exceptional recommendations from sources both within and outside of the athletics community.  He understands and is committed to the delicate balance between athletics and academics at an NCAA Division III institution.  He has expressed excitement about the opportunities that lie ahead for the Austin College football program as it enters the Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference.”

 Gage is a 1976 graduate of the University of North Texas, where he earned his degree in Physical Education & Health, and later earned his Masters of Education with a focus on Public School Administration from UNT in 1980.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 07, 2006, 11:47:01 am
roocru,

You scooped Bonzo ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coachr on January 08, 2006, 11:54:16 am
Congratulations to Dustin Allen of Trinity and Brian Steinert of Rhodes for being selected to the 1st team defense on Don Hansen's South Region All American Team.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on January 09, 2006, 11:04:04 am
Will Gage need to change the culture at AC or will he have to change to meet the needs of AC?  I would have to assume that at each school, football support and expectations are quite different in comparison.  Somewhere the approaches are going to have to overlap in order for him to build a successful program. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 09, 2006, 02:42:03 pm
I think it's a little of both.  No doubt Gage will have less talent to work with at AC than he did in Lewisville.  At the same time, I think the move into the SCAC will let AC recruit its target athletes more effectively, and the school will adjust to do that. 

 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 09, 2006, 05:48:58 pm
That means some head-to-head competition for Trinity more than anything! :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on January 09, 2006, 06:46:18 pm
Ralph,

Don't you really mean  ??? instead of  :) , but I hope so too!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on January 09, 2006, 07:14:38 pm
Wow,,, is there going to be a salary cap issue with DIII coaches????

http://www.dallasnews.com/s/dws/news/dmn/stories/010806dnspocoachsalaries.2a4475f.html

It's pretty crazy what Dallas area HS coaches are paid.... does that mean AC gave Gage a raise?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 09, 2006, 07:23:51 pm
High school football coaches are the one group of public school educators where there is some free-market competition!  The Teacher's unions across the US have homogenized mediocrity.  We are spending more per pupil and yet seeing diminishing College Admission Test scores for it.

My son's HS Calculus teacher could have earned $80K-$100K per year in a free market system!  Her BC Calculus Advanced Placement pass rate was >90%.

Good teachers with some more autonomy and more incentives could double their salaries.  Much of the increases in education monies spent have gone to buildings and to administrative overhead! >:(

I hope that Texas will pass the 65% rule...>65% of education monies will be spent on direct teaching salaries!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 09, 2006, 07:51:30 pm
It's pretty crazy what Dallas area HS coaches are paid.... does that mean AC gave Gage a raise?


Remember, HM, you're talking about an area where one district spent something like $25M on a HSFB stadium/indoor practice facilty (Southlake Carroll).  What's $100K for a coach?    :(

I find it hard to believe that AC will pay Gage more than the $90K he was apparently getting at Lewisville.  Maybe he was just ready for a different sort of challenge.  Also interesting that former HPU coach Vance Gibson is listed as making $90K at Frisco, too. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on January 09, 2006, 08:58:24 pm
Coach Gage is not getting a raise from AC  to be paid more than he currently is.  He is actually retiring from the public school system and whatever money he makes at AC wil be paid in addition to his retirement.  This has become a common way for public school coaches to enter private schools and continue to coach when they tire of the issues in public schools or want a change in scenery. 

I am currently at the AFCA meeting in Dallas and the Morning News story has predictably been a hot topic of conversation.  All I can say is I agree teachers should be paid more.  However if any teacher wants to put in the hours coaches do in addition to their own teaching loads or be willing to get fired by the public at the whim of a few discontented parents because their test scores did not beat all the other teachers in their district, then they can complain about the difference in salaries. 

I know this statement may be controversial, but until you get fired with a winning record because you did not start a school board members' child or you get fired because you have one losing season in the past ten, you cannot understand the pressure and the reason why coaches get paid more.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on January 09, 2006, 10:18:47 pm
Ralph,
I feel bad that I may be opening another can of worms and because of my job and where I am right now I may not be able to respond for a while but here goes....

     I have a problem with the so called 65% rule.  The issue boils down to what you classify as education spending and what is not. 
     Teacher’s salaries definitely are, but what about counselors? School nurses? Janitors?  If you say these are not educational spending, they will go into the 35%? 
     One of the biggest expenses in public schools is transportation.  Does the cost of transporting students to school classify as an educational expense?  If it does what about transportation costs for extracurricular activities.  Do athletic busses, meals for athletes who travel all day or a three day trip for a tournament, or travel for one act play and debate count as educational expense as well or does it go into the 35%?  What about the variance in transportation for a school in West Texas which has to travel hundreds of miles for a district contest as opposed to a suburban district whose farthest district athletic contest is 15-20 miles?
     I know many people feel administrators are overpaid and districts are top heavy in that regard, but even if they are not, remember that these costs will go into the 35% as well. 
     Are coaches stipends for coaching teams part of the educational expense or do they go into the 35%?  If they do fall into the 35%, what about stipends for band directors, drama coaches, and all other extracurricular stipends?
     If nothing but pure educational expenses go into the 65%, there will not be enough money left to fund the things that are also considered valuable to local school districts. In my district, with all salaries being approximately 70 - 80% of the total budget, our current percentage is about 58% for purely educational expenses.  If most of the above questioned items fall into the 35% portion, the only way to correct the difference in 58% to 65% would be to slash extracurricular activities, student support services and school maintenance. 
     I believe the fact is that each school district has its own set of priorities and its own set of issues and where it spends its money is the responsibility of the elected school board of the community the school resides in and not in some state mandated proclamation.  I fully agree teachers should be paid more and I hope our legislators finally realize that public education deserves to be financed appropriately.  However, the 65% rule sounds good but I believe it is actually detrimental to the schools in Texas.

I will try to respond to any other opinions on this issue as soon as I am available again.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 09, 2006, 10:50:16 pm
roocru, what is the per pupil allocation in your district?

Total Gross Revenue (Federal, State and Local)/
Total number of students
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on January 09, 2006, 11:50:02 pm
Ralph,

I won't be able to answer that question until I return to my office.  It will be Thursday at the earliest.  I will try to get it for you though !
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 09, 2006, 11:52:41 pm
Thanks, roocru!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on January 10, 2006, 05:40:22 pm

Does this work?  I keep getting banned when I post. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on January 10, 2006, 05:57:21 pm

Interesting topic.  I've worked in Education for about five years, which is long enough for me to form a multi-point opinion-

1.  Everyone in every profession seems to think they are underpaid.

2.  The people who produce or handle money are the ones that should be taking the most money home.  Administrators make financial decisions that affect the school community and coaches bring in a whole lot of money at the gate. 

3.  Improved facilities make the job more desirable.  If that money went into the teachers' pockets, they might be arriving in nicer clothes and cars, but they would complain constantly about the poor conditions. 

4.  Teachers' impacts are overstated.  The way a person receives an education is determined by the values taught at home.  It all starts there.  Who makes a more positive contribution- A hard working illiterate that takes care of his property and family or a white collar ENRON crook with an MBA from Harvard?  One is more formally educated, but the other has values that contribute to the greater good.  No teacher taught them about that.

5.  No element determines the quality of an education more than the values of the student body.  One cannot teach without cooperation from the students, and if the students don't value education, they are less likely to cooperate. 

Those big money coaches get big bucks because they produce big bucks.  The administrators get big bucks because they make sure the schools' money doesn't disappear.  Teachers teach, which is critical, but the financial impact does not exist. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on January 10, 2006, 08:33:07 pm
Roocru,  Great points.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on January 11, 2006, 12:02:44 am
Hmmm... double dipping at AC.... interesting concept... Is he a Vet????  That'd make it triple dipping!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on January 12, 2006, 06:33:04 pm
Ralph,
Here is some of the information you asked about.

General Fund:
Total Budget .......................$251.6 million
  Payroll costs (80.0%).........$201.1 million

Revenues (% of budget):

Property taxes......................49.3%
Other Local Sources...............2.3%
State Sources........................47.4%
Federal Sources......................1.0%

General Fund Budgeted per Pupil Cost..........$6,941  (Based on Estimated Average Daily Attendance (ADA) of 36,249 students)

Expenditures (% of Budget)
Instruction/Instruction-related........................58.8%
Instructional and School Leadership...............8.0%
Administrative Support................................ ....3.2%
Support Services-Student Based.....................10.5%
Support Services-Non Student Based..............17.2%
Ancillary Services............................... ...............0.5%
Debt Service................................ .....................1.5%
Facilities Acquisition and Construction..............0.0%
Other Uses................................... ....................0.3%

My total athletic budget which includes stipends, athletic administrators, office staff, intramural programs, natatorium costs, staff development and all sport related travel and equipment costs is $4,365,566 or about 1.7% of the total budget.  If you exclude personnel accounts, the athletic total is $1,800,749 or about  0.7% of the total.

In addition we are the only department which returns money to the general fund.  Last year it was about $470,000 in ticket sales returned to the budget.  It is not returned to the athletic budget but goes into the general fund only !! 

I often get a kick out those people who think we can solve our educational money probelems by cutting back in athletics.  If you cut athletics entirely you would only be saving 1.7% of a budget where 80% goes to salaries alone.

Questions are welcome!



Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 12, 2006, 08:51:18 pm
roocru,  your $6900 per student allocation is a great value.

I cannot argue with your allocation because I cannot see how there are much in savings that an alternative system would provide.

When we are hearing of per student spending in the 5-figure range, you can imagine my consternation.

My main frustration with the Richardson school district when my children were there was the number of assistant superintendents.  The organization chart looked like there were about 3 layers between the Superintendent and the student that could be eliminated.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 17, 2006, 09:06:21 pm
roocru, here is an article about the Vouchers in Milwaukee that explains some of my concerns about public education.

Private school voucher $6381

Public school spending -- 80% higher ($11,485)

http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on January 17, 2006, 11:49:41 pm
Ralph,

I just saw your message and will try to read it and respond further later.  However, one glaring difference in the Milwaukee example and the vast majority of schools in Texas lies in the fact that Milwaukee's teachers are unionized.   I will agree in every sense that teacher unions are a large part of any educational problems wherever they exist.  It is hard enough now in Texas to get rid of poor teachers through our current legal system.  When you add the collective bargaining agreements and power that unions have, they are going to resist any change that affects any of their members.  They are going to fight for every penny they can.  This does not make them evil, it is just that they are doing what they are designed to do.

Once again, I will be out of town for an athletic director's meeting for my region.  It is so close to the UIL realignment that I have to make every one of these meetings I can, but I will get back to the board as soon as possible. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on January 18, 2006, 02:56:25 am
For underpaying teachers so greatly for so long, taxpayers have gotten what they deserve in the form of teachers' unions.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on January 20, 2006, 12:07:44 am
Ralph and Frank,

I posted my response to you guys on the ASC board.  Got to share the wealth and not bore all the SCAC fans to tears.  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 20, 2006, 08:28:30 am
Trinity grad Jerheme Urban is one of several Seahawk players credited and quoted in a Seattle Post-Intelligencer article (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/football/256316_theyear20.html) entitled "Home, because of 5 plays." 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fico on January 21, 2006, 12:14:36 pm
Dustin Allen was named 2nd team AA by Football Gazette.  Congrats to him.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on January 24, 2006, 07:43:44 pm
Bonzo,

I know there has been an attempt to get the SCAC members to post their 2006 Football Schedules earlier than in the past. Any luck with this effort? TU shows four "open dates" during the eleven week D3 season; the Tigers appear to still need to fill three of these openings. Can this be true, TU only has seven games on the current 2006 schedule???  Comments.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on January 24, 2006, 11:19:06 pm
Trinity is listed in the open dates for 10/7 but they are on Huntingdon's schedule for that date.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on January 25, 2006, 12:00:06 am
Trinity's schedule from their website today includes six home games, four away and one bye week (10/14):

    2006 Trinity Tigers Football Schedule

Sep 02   EAST TEXAS BAPTIST UNIVERSITY  6:00 PM
Sep 09 @ Texas Lutheran University      6:00 PM
Sep 16   UNIVERSITY OF REDLANDS         7:30 PM
Sep 23   DePAUW UNIVERSITY *            TBA
Sep 30   AUSTIN COLLEGE *               1:30 PM
Oct 07 @ Huntingdon College             1:30 PM
Oct 21 @ Centre College *               2:30 PM
Oct 28   RHODES COLLEGE *               1:30 PM
Nov 04   UNIVERSITY OF THE SOUTH *      1:30 PM
Nov 11 @ Millsaps College *             TBA
         
           HOME GAMES IN UPPERCASE
         * Denotes SCAC Conference Game


With Austin College joining the SCAC this season, TU picked up ETBU for week one and AC replaces RHIT in week five.  Homes and Aways switch from 2005 except for DPU.  Word is that TU will scrimmage Monterrey Tech as usual in August.

Go Tigers ... keep the streaks alive.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 25, 2006, 08:37:05 am
I would grade the Trinity schedule as an "A", but even better than last year because of the departure of RHIT.  The historic rivalry between Trinity and Austin College now is a conference game, and TU has scheduled ETBU.

--All games are D3.

--Three of four non-conference games are South Region.

--No "cupcakes".
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 25, 2006, 10:46:00 am
Not to mention the fact that I have an opportunity to see one of the better teams from the SCIAC. 8)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 25, 2006, 11:04:31 am
My thoughts:

(1) ETBU is going to be a lot tougher opener than AC.  Gonna have to bring the "A" game in week one. 
(2) Playing at Huntingdon is going to be a challenge if the Hawks continue to improve at the rate shown the last couple of years.  They bring everyone back and should be favored to win at home.  Glad TU and HC resolved whatever the problems were that at one point took the games off the schedule last year. 
(3) Please, Redlands, do what's right and fly the kids out on Friday.  Nobody's best interests were served when you travelled on Saturday AM to save a few bucks two years ago.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 25, 2006, 01:18:24 pm
My thoughts:

(1) ETBU is going to be a lot tougher opener than AC.  Gonna have to bring the "A" game in week one.  ...
(

Ron, I was going to say the same thing about ETBU, but they have the chance to win this one! (vs playing SAU.) :) ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on January 25, 2006, 04:19:07 pm
Ralph,  I agree with your assesment of Trinity's schedule.  Their first 2 games should also say a lot about the ASC.  I'm glad to see a team playing this type of schedule.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 25, 2006, 05:29:43 pm
One other thought:  assuming ETBU and Redlands are both two-year home/away deals, 2007-8 is going to be a bear with Trinity starting the season with four of the first five games on the road against pretty stiff competition (at ETBU, at Redlands, at DePauw in the first four).   Ouch.  Of course, 2006-7 will be just the opposite with 4-of-5 at home and the road game only 35 miles away. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on January 25, 2006, 05:40:27 pm
TigerDad,

Thanks for updating TU's 2006 Football Schedule; I know there are many Tiger fans that can't wait to see the Baer turned loose.

Ron/Ralph/Bill,

All of your 2006 Trinity Schedule comments are certainly well taken by me, but  for some reason I'm still thinking "Black Flag".

 



Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on January 25, 2006, 05:56:22 pm

Okay, let's not start hyping the kid now.  If he were really good enough to deserve hype now, he would be on a scholarship somewhere.  You even refer to him as "the" Baer.  The Tigers can't assume anything at this point.  I think it's going to be a pivotal year. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 25, 2006, 07:10:47 pm
Speaking of Huntingdon, here is their 2006 schedule:

9/2 @ Ithaca
9/9 Sewanee *
9/16 @ Millsaps *
9/23 @ Rhodes *
9/30 Wesley *
10/7 Trinity  * (Homecoming)
10/14 @ Colorado College
10/21 @ Thomas More *
11/04 @ SAGU (non-D3)
11/11 LaGrange *

* indicate regional games

With Ithaca, Wesley, Trinity, Thomas More on the schedule the Hawks are looking to bulk up their level of competition.  Too bad Ithaca won't count in the SoSI calculations.   Closing with LaGrange (first year program) should ensure they don't lose their last game should they find themselves in contention for a Pool B slot next season ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on January 26, 2006, 11:31:55 pm
Sad news from Austin College.  My prayers to the family !!!

Auto Accident Claims Life of Austin College Student

SHERMAN – Austin College freshman Brittany Simpson, 18, of The Woodlands, Texas, was killed in an automobile accident near Madisonville, Texas, Tuesday morning.

Simpson, a member of the women’s basketball team and Austin College Leadership Institute, was traveling northbound on Interstate 45 from her home in The Woodlands to Sherman when her vehicle collided with a southbound Hyundai, according to Department of Public Safety Trooper Jeff Pirtle.

 “The entire Austin College community is saddened by this tragedy,” Austin College President Oscar Page said.  “Many of our students make their presence known well beyond the borders of campus.  Still a freshman, Brittany had already begun taking full advantage of the opportunities available to her both on and off campus.  Our thoughts and prayers are with her family, friends, classmates, teachers, and the many people whose lives she touched.” 

 “Brittany was a wonderful young woman who graced our campus with her positive personality and smile,” said Vice President for Student Affairs and Athletics Tim Millerick.  “She found Austin College the year she participated with the John Cooper School in the Sherman High School Holiday basketball tournament, during which her team competed in our facility.  She was a special person that we will all miss very much.”

 Austin College women’s basketball coach Deb Hunter said of Simpson, “Brittany Simpson embraced life.  She enjoyed every minute of every moment.  She lived with passion.”

Simpson is survived by her parents, Joy and David Simpson, and two brothers.

Services for Simpson will be at 3 p.m. Sunday, Jan. 29, 2006, at Fellowship Church in the The Woodlands.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on January 27, 2006, 12:03:48 pm
According to my son, several assistants at DPU have left or are leaving.  Another player who is doing an internship with the program also confirmed that rumor.  From the way it sounds I think they are being forced out by Rogers, I personally think its sad if true.  >:(
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on January 27, 2006, 12:07:23 pm
Hmmmm ???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on January 27, 2006, 12:45:10 pm

It makes me wonder what that program could have been with consistent leadership.  They've had 3 head coaches in the last three years and now all the assistants are jumping ship.  All the while, they've been pretty impressive.  Usually that's the result of poor leadership by the AD.  Anyone have any insight on the matter?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on January 27, 2006, 02:37:12 pm
The first two coaching changes were out of his (AD's) control and Lynch was probably as good a coach as DPU could get to follow Nick.  I personally think the last hire was a mistake, there has been nothing but negative things coming from the players.  Everytime my son and I talk football, it negative.  Everytime I'm at his frat house I hear nothing but negative.  And now that there are going to be assistant coaches leaving, I think its going to get worse.  They won alot of games last year, guess what they had good players.  I hope someone gets things under control soon.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mizzou_mafia on January 27, 2006, 02:59:53 pm
Maybe try posting this on the Basketball board for more response?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 27, 2006, 03:05:45 pm
The first two coaching changes were out of his (AD's) control and Lynch was probably as good a coach as DPU could get to follow Nick.  I personally think the last hire was a mistake, there has been nothing but negative things coming from the players.  Everytime my son and I talk football, it negative.  Everytime I'm at his frat house I hear nothing but negative.  And now that there are going to be assistant coaches leaving, I think its going to get worse.  They won alot of games last year, guess what they had good players.  I hope someone gets things under control soon.

I don't know the situation, but I don't think DPU played at the level the did last season (arguably the best they have played since joining the SCAC) without someone who knows what he's doing at the top.

Sometimes when someone comes in with a different mindset there is a lot of resistance from people who were used to things the "old way."  It's natural.  It will be interesting to see if DPU sustains last year's high level of play in '06. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 03:11:59 pm
Ron, have you heard of any legislation/petitions by Colorado College to move to the South Evaluation Region.

That would give Huntingdon another South Region game. 

Or would they leave Colorado College in the West and allow the SCAC games to count as "in-region"?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 03:34:30 pm
One other thought about Huntingdon.

If they beat Ithaca and Ithaca made the playoffs, then they would have a win against a playoff team.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 29, 2006, 10:34:22 pm
Ron, have you heard of any legislation/petitions by Colorado College to move to the South Evaluation Region.

That would give Huntingdon another South Region game. 

Or would they leave Colorado College in the West and allow the SCAC games to count as "in-region"?

CC is at least as "South" as they are "West."  Don't think there's much difference in the mileage from Abilene to the Springs and the Springs to the nearest SCIAC school.  I haven't heard anything along any of these lines.  If Colorado College joins the SCAC the precedent (for FB, anyway) seems to have been set already that the SCAC is a South Region conference no matter how ludicrous it seems. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 29, 2006, 11:28:29 pm
Ron, have you heard of any legislation/petitions by Colorado College to move to the South Evaluation Region.

That would give Huntingdon another South Region game. 

Or would they leave Colorado College in the West and allow the SCAC games to count as "in-region"?

CC is at least as "South" as they are "West."  Don't think there's much difference in the mileage from Abilene to the Springs and the Springs to the nearest SCIAC school.  I haven't heard anything along any of these lines.  If Colorado College joins the SCAC the precedent (for FB, anyway) seems to have been set already that the SCAC is a South Region conference no matter how ludicrous it seems. 

Actually, it is only about 650 miles from Colorado Springs to Abilene.  That makes Abilene the nearest D3 city, (except Lincoln NE). :)

Therefore, Colorado College has no other schools for which they could invoke the 200-mile radius rule.  In the new SCAC, CC would play a 7-game conference schedule.

That would leave Wash StL, the ASC, South Region Indepedents Huntingdon and LaGrange as good possibilities for in-region non-conference games.  Of the ASC teams, CC has only played McMurry in the last 7 years.  CC has traditionally only played a 9-game schedule.  A ten-game schedule may help incrementally in recruiting.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on January 30, 2006, 09:16:48 am
bfb-  i WOULD AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT YOU SAID, BUT THERE WAS NONE OF THIS WHEN LYNCH TOOK OVER AND HE CHANGED EVERYTHING, THE OFFENSE THE DEFENSE...EVERYTHING.  I THINK THIS HAS MORE TO DO WITH THE WAY THE PLAYERS ARE TREATED ON A DAILY BASIS
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 30, 2006, 12:18:55 pm
I've just heard from a reliable source that Coach Karras is leaving RHIT to start the new program at Marian College.    If true, Karras will be missed ... he did a good job with the Engineers and I was looking forward to seeing how he and the team would make the transition to the HCAC. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorhog51 on February 02, 2006, 07:59:44 am
As of right now the only assistant that has left DePauw is Coach Kaz.  He went to Butler to be the defensive coordinator.  Other than that, no one has officially left.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 03, 2006, 12:41:40 pm
I just heard word that David Saunders has resigned as the Millsaps head coach and will be taking a position at Ole Miss.  That's the total extent of what I've heard and I don't know if any details have been provided on a new coach, the search for a new coach, etc.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on February 03, 2006, 06:30:01 pm
Looks as if the rumor is true, once again leaving Millsaps up in the air at the height of the off-season.  My next question is what does Dubose do?  More to come I am sure:

http://olemisssports.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/020306aaa.html
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on February 04, 2006, 06:41:24 am
According to this morning's Tuscaloosa News, Dubose is taking over.

DuBose named head coach at Millsaps College

February 04. 2006 3:15AM

Former University of Alabama head football coach Mike DuBose is a head coach once again.

DuBose will take over the Millsaps College football program, the school announced today. The Jackson (Miss.) Clarion-Ledger also reported the hiring on Friday.

DuBose, 53, replaces David Saunders, who resigned to return to Ole Miss as an assistant.

DuBose coached the Crimson Tide from 1997-2000. He led Alabama to the 1999 SEC title but was fired after a disastrous 3-8 season in 2000. Alabama was also placed on NCAA probation in 2002 for violations that occurred during DuBose’s tenure, although DuBose himself was not specifically cited in the NCAA Infractions Report.

Saunders served as the Majors’ coach for three seasons after serving as the Ole Miss recruiting coordinator from 1998-2002. He replaces Shawn Slocum as linebackers coach at Ole Miss. Slocum resigned from coach Ed Orgeron’s staff to take an assistant coaching position with the Green Bay Packers.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 04, 2006, 09:38:29 am
Here's a link to the Millsaps coaching story from the local Jackson newspaper:
http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060204/SPORTS030105/602040328/0/SPORTS

Millsaps had an extremely young team last year with something like 50 freshmen on the roster and many of them playing key roles.  Mike DuBose as an assistant coach made an interesting story and might have brought in a few extra players.  Mike DuBose as a head coach might be just the thing to give the program that extra push needed to get to a much higher level. 

There was a lot of talent at Millsaps last year but not a lot of playing experience.  With those players returning with a year of experience under their belt, plus the potential boost to recruiting that a former SEC head coach might bring, plus the assumption that DuBose must be a pretty good head coach, plus an infusion of new enthusiasm into the program, I could see it all adding up to a fairly rapid rise in the Millsaps football program. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 04, 2006, 10:25:55 am
Here's confirmation that Karras is leaving Rose-Hulman:

http://www.tribstar.com/sports/local_story_033233810.html?keyword=secondarystory

And a new coach will be announced by NAIA member Marian today.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 04, 2006, 11:10:38 am
Rose-Hulman's announcement (dated today, includes Karras' next stop at Marian):

http://www.rose-hulman.edu/sports/football/karrasres.htm

Offensive coordinator Steve Englehart will serve as interim head coach for recruiting purposes while the head coaching vacancy is being filled.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on February 04, 2006, 12:58:50 pm
Hmmm... leads one to speculate as to whether or not Karras's decision to move on had anything to go with RHIT's baseball coach and AD's move to leave the SCAC????  Does anybody know what Marion's future plans are wrt to conference affiliation?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RHIT04 on February 04, 2006, 03:30:14 pm
Marian College is an NAIA school in Indianapolis.  They may be associated with the Mid-States Football League, which is affiliated with NAIA.  St. Xavier in Chicago is also in the MSFL, where Coach Karras coached before he came to Rose.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on February 04, 2006, 03:42:21 pm
Dubose will do well at Millsaps.  If he's interested in building a program, here's his chance.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2006, 03:55:30 pm
Hmmm... leads one to speculate as to whether or not Karras's decision to move on had anything to go with RHIT's baseball coach and AD's move to leave the SCAC????  Does anybody know what Marion's future plans are wrt to conference affiliation?

My first impression is that RHIT has a better chance of winning the HCAC than the SCAC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 05, 2006, 10:04:04 am
For those who are interested, here is the press release put out by Millsaps on the promotion of Mike DuBose to head coach:

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/news/dubose-newcoach.shtml
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on February 05, 2006, 12:48:22 pm
As of right now the only assistant that has left DePauw is Coach Kaz.  He went to Butler to be the defensive coordinator.  Other than that, no one has officially left.

Hog-  from what I understand, DL was asked not to return...and RB caoch will no longer coach football
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on February 05, 2006, 10:38:25 pm
It was nice to see Jerheme Urban on the sidelines in the SuperBowl...  guess he'll just have to get healthy and win that ring next year!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorhog51 on February 06, 2006, 11:40:10 am
tigerdad - Coach Hreha (DL) has been at DePauw almost 30 coaching, and played at DePauw.  I think it would be hard to ask him to retire.  I think that he has earned the right to leave when he wants to.  Coach Walker, who moved over to RB this year is also the head baseball coach.  I have not heard anything about him not coaching football anymore and just coaching baseball.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on February 06, 2006, 11:43:35 am
According to this morning's Tuscaloosa News, Dubose is taking over.

DuBose named head coach at Millsaps College

February 04. 2006 3:15AM


Look out, Millsaps secretaries!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on February 06, 2006, 02:16:45 pm
tigerdad - Coach Hreha (DL) has been at DePauw almost 30 coaching, and played at DePauw.  I think it would be hard to ask him to retire.  I think that he has earned the right to leave when he wants to.  Coach Walker, who moved over to RB this year is also the head baseball coach.  I have not heard anything about him not coaching football anymore and just coaching baseball.

The fact that he has earned the respect to leave on his own is why I am so upset about it.  I agree with you on that point, he (Hreha) who recruitied and coached my son has told him that they (rogers/adm) are trying to force him out.  As far as the rb coach...I do not have solid info on that so I guess we'll just have to see.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on February 06, 2006, 05:04:27 pm
According to this morning's Tuscaloosa News, Dubose is taking over.

DuBose named head coach at Millsaps College

February 04. 2006 3:15AM


Look out, Millsaps secretaries!

We all make mistakes ttu719803, thankfully for Dubose, he was able to maintain his family and thank God for second chances!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on February 06, 2006, 05:57:55 pm
Any ideas on who will coach the Majors in 2007?  I guarantee it won't be Millsaps.  I called it last spring- he'll be at Millsaps two years tops.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 06, 2006, 06:13:06 pm
Any ideas on who will coach the Majors in 2007?  I guarantee it won't be Millsaps.  I called it last spring- he'll be at Millsaps two years tops.   

I doubt that Mr. Millsaps will coach the Majors in 2007, either.   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on February 06, 2006, 07:41:55 pm
DuBose is well respected and well liked by the players at Millsaps.  From all accounts, he's learned a lot about division III football in 10 months time.  I believe that he would not have accepted the job unless he really had the intention of staying at Millsaps in order to build a competitive program.  For all Majors fans, let's hope this is true. 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on February 06, 2006, 08:34:22 pm
Bonzo,

I think 2698 actually means Ronnie Millsaps (aka Milsap); he of course would be their Voice Coach.   :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on February 06, 2006, 08:51:16 pm
Geez,,, consultant,,,,,, doesn't that kool-aid burn just a little bit going down?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on February 06, 2006, 10:10:42 pm

Highly respected and well-liked by players at the collegiate level is overrated.  I don't know of many winners that have built their reputations on that quality. 

Consultant, do you really think that if someone from say, Louisiana-Monroe offers him a job to work with scholarship athletes that he's not going to take it?  That he's going to choose to stay at Millsaps?  I doubt that he's had an epiphany via his stint at MC. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on February 07, 2006, 03:35:56 am
TU2698 and History,

I'd say most reputable coaches on the high school level, collegiate level, and the professional level are highly respected and well-liked by their players.  I believe that student-athletes, particularly on the D III level, take more of a sense of ownership of their team when they have a head coach who is not only a good Xs and Os guy, but also a coach who motivates and inspires his team to make the team their own.  Good coaches are good leaders.  For example, I've long been under the impression that Trinity's Steve Mohr is admired by players and fellow coaches for his football wisdom and his ability to relate to his players in a positive and winning way.  Am I wrong?  Is this not why he's successful?

I think it speaks volumes that on Friday morning after Saunders announced his resignation that numerous Millsaps' football players went immediately to Athletic Director Ron Jurney to voice a vote of confidence for DuBose. 

Moreover, yes I do think DuBose will stay at Millsaps.  I don't think his epiphany dawned on him when he stepped foot on the Millsaps campus, though.  I think it happened when he got run out of Alabama.

And really, Millsaps hasn't exactly had a head coach with a long tenure in over a decade plus, and I do not apologize for wanting to see Millsaps become competitive again even if Mike DuBose is calling the plays right now. 
 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on February 07, 2006, 09:24:27 am
Geez,,, consultant,,,,,, doesn't that kool-aid burn just a little bit going down?

History, your comment does not make sense to me?  Help me understand why it is a big deal to support your school and your coach?  If that means jumping on the Dubose bandwagon, so be it.  The guy deserves a second chance, the team has no where to go but up and I'm glad they made the decision to hire him . . . despite his history.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 07, 2006, 09:56:55 am
First off, let it me said that I hope that Millsaps and DuBose have a long and successful relationship.  It would be wonderful if he has conquered the demons which seemed to plague him at 'bama and at the same time had an epiphany regarding college football.  More competitive teams in the SCAC means a better performance for conference representatives come playoff time, the possibility of a Pool C bid, etc ...

At the same time, I have seen too many upper-division coaches drop down to D-III just long enough to establish their bona fides and hop right back when presented the chance.  I can't fault anyone for taking a position with greater pay/adulation/etc., but at the same time would be lying if I said that I don't expect DuBose to be among that number.  With luck I will be wrong. 

In any case, we should be in for a couple of interesting years in the SCAC, especially should another school or two join the conference.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorhog51 on February 07, 2006, 11:57:38 am
tigerdad -
I know that Coach Rogers wants to bring in his people, which is at the least understandable.  I think had he stayed Coach Lynch would have done the same thing.  Note the hiring of Coach Nystrom, the def. coord. this year.  I also know that Coach Hreha is only wanting to coach for one or two more years because of his detioratiing physical capabilities.  I would be very upset if Coach Rogers and the administration forces him out before he is ready to go.  He is, to me, the definition of DePauw football.  To force a guy like Coach Hreha out would be a huge mistake because of his knowledge of the univeristy and the great history of the program.  To loose his knowledge of football and all of his knowledge would be enormous.  Mentally, Coach Hreha is as sharp as a razor blade, but his limited physical capabilities are the only thing pushing him toward retirement at this point.  I would be very sad to see him go, as would all of the DePauw football alum from the last 30 years.  I hope that he gets to retire on his terms and not because someone else wants him to.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on February 07, 2006, 01:34:57 pm
Hog-  what i don't think you understand is that Lynch (a far better and more knowledgable coach)  did not make ANY changes to the staff in the year he was on campus.  Rogers has now forced 2 coaches out...you can believe they left on their own if you want but I know different, Kazmerzak and Hill did not leave on their own.  And the rumored changes to come will not be done the right way either.  We'll just have to see how good of a coach rogers is next year....a monkey could have won with last years talent...oh wait a monkey did win with last years talent.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on February 07, 2006, 01:47:22 pm
Consultant,

My best friend is MC class of '98 and I can't get him to ride with me two hours to Alumni Field for one game, much less the Trinity game.  I certainly admire your support and passion for your school.  Such sentiments as yours cannot be underestimated.  I would be happy to see a more competitive conference, but I just don't share your outlook for Dubose's future nor am I convinced that he is a quality football coach particularly for D3.  As for Steve Mohr, I wouldn't say he's popular with players.  The guy has a great amount of respect from all angles, but one of his greatest qualities is that he's a straight shooter, which, as you know doesn't always go over well with 18-22 year old guys who wonder why they aren't playing.  I really had no relationship with him as a player or as an alumnus, but he's committed to winning and to doing it with class and I think the world of him for it.  More so now than when I was playing.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on February 07, 2006, 03:04:29 pm
TU, is your friend a former player or just former student?  I think consultant was referring more to former and current football players, may be wrong . . . that being said, here is to hoping Dubose proves his doubters wrong and revives a Millsaps program that has been for the most part down and out since 1996.  Now, onward and upward to different topics of interest around the SCAC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on February 07, 2006, 04:47:28 pm

He's just an alumnus.  His only affiliation is Kappa Sig.  I tried to get him to play but I think he was scared of me. 

I'll see you Majors fans at the hanger on Sunday.  I'm pumped for my once every two years look at the TU basketball teams. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 07, 2006, 05:05:35 pm
2698, do head on over to the basketball board and leave your thoughts on the game there.  Not a whole lot of in-person reports on TU over there. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorhog51 on February 07, 2006, 05:53:46 pm
tigerdad-
I know and fully understand that Lynch did not make any staff changes, even though there were changes (e.g.  McMartin going to Central).  I also know that Lynch also completely changed the offense and significantly overhauled the defense.  I also never said that Kaz and Hill left on their own.   I know that they both have aspirations of being coordinators and/or head coaches somewhere.  Frankly, I was not sad to see Kaz leave.  I never thought he was a very good coach.  Something you may or may not have known is that Kaz actually interviewed for several positions elsewhere last year, but did not get them.  Also, I never said that changes would be done the right way.  I can't say that Coach Rogers has always done things the right way.  I was only talking about Coach Hreha's situation and not any of the other assistants.  I only was commenting on how I think it would be a shame to force out such a great man and coach.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 08, 2006, 07:53:43 am

He's just an alumnus.  His only affiliation is Kappa Sig.  I tried to get him to play but I think he was scared of me. 

I'll see you Majors fans at the hanger on Sunday.  I'm pumped for my once every two years look at the TU basketball teams. 

TU2698--I think you'll see a good game this Sunday.  I don't know if it will be Senior Day or if they will do that on Friday when the crowd should be larger.  I'll be the guy taking pictures from various locations--look for an out of shape guy with a black camera and a big white lens.

Even though you'll be supporting the "wrong" team Sunday, I appreciate your effort as an alum to support your school and the present day athletes.  I've been working some with the Millsaps athletic department on ways that they can get the alums more involved in attending athletic events (I say working, they may call it pestering).  One thing that the DuBose hiring does is it raises the profile of the program and it might encourage some alums like your friend to take a look.  Of course, that only works in the short term and for a long term renewal of interest you need results on the field.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 09, 2006, 02:54:11 pm
HOW long until football season starts up again ???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on February 09, 2006, 03:56:16 pm



Poise, man!  Poise!  Focus on basketball while our guys get bigger in the weight room. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on February 10, 2006, 03:11:54 am
A buddy of mine sent me this link today.....

It's the same ole stuff about DuBose, but it was on SportingNews.com

Read if you're interested.....

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=60411
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on February 10, 2006, 06:32:45 pm
Bonzo,

If you call the new "Spring Training" football season (I do), then there are about seven or eight weeks until the season starts.   ;D

TigerDad, 

Is the 2006 TU Football Schedule that you posted some time ago an "official version"; the Trinity football website still has not updated from the 2005 schedule?   ???

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on February 12, 2006, 03:41:51 pm
ETG,,, it's official (except for the 2 TBA's regarding start times).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 15, 2006, 08:27:44 am
There's an interesting column on Mike DuBose in the Jackson newspaper today:

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060215/COL0511/60215004

For those who think this is just a stepping stone job, how many years do you think it would take to get back to a D1 head coaching job.  There would be several years required to build a program and prove his worth at Millsaps.  Then maybe a few years as a coordinator.  And then maybe a head coaching job when he is about 60 unless schools feel like he is too old to hire.  And at 60, who would want to go back to the non-stop, high pressure job of a D1 head coach?  I can easily see this as a long term job for Coach DuBose.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rhitsid on February 15, 2006, 08:50:29 am
For those who are interested, Rose-Hulman has promoted Steve Englehart to head football coach.  The Rose-Hulman release is online at

http://www.rose-hulman.edu/sports/football/englehartc.htm
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on February 15, 2006, 10:36:29 am
I wonder if he'll be as "lively" on the sidelines as the Karras boys were...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DanSwan on February 16, 2006, 12:14:02 am
That isn't possible
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on February 16, 2006, 12:22:38 pm
I think it is possible, he's a renegade going to a renegade program...should be interesting
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: buckydunk on February 16, 2006, 10:01:33 pm
Renegade program... Marian college? They have never had/played football yet! What are you talking about? Coach(es) Karras' like to have fun... they played ball at Northwestern and still think that they can "whip" anybody. They are from the "region" in northwest Indiana and are typical "Bears" type guys. Against Rhodes this year after the game was sealed at the end... coach Ted and his brother Tony did their traditional "chest butt" and it was fairly close to some Rhodes players who thought that the Rose coaches were "mocking" them. They took exception and started to mouth the Karras', and of course, that is all it took! The (RHIT) players had to hold them back! Of note, Tony had to have knee surgery after the season because when he and Ted did that "chest butt" thing, he landed wrong and tore it up!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on February 17, 2006, 11:39:54 am
you know something is wrong when your players have to hold back your coaches from altercations with the other team
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: buckydunk on February 17, 2006, 12:45:52 pm
 Well, I won't go into too many details, but when I said that some "Rhodes players took exception", I was being nice. You can figure out the rest.
 Rose won for the first time at Rhodes this past year, so everyone was up after the game, while Rhodes (it was their homecoming) was the opposite... which led to the "mouthing". It was not a "fight" and was never going to be one, just a shouting match.
 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coachr on February 17, 2006, 08:42:53 pm
I watched that game, I saw someone get taken out, it appears that the right person learned a lesson at the end of that game. I do congratulate the Rose Hullman players, they were the better group that day. But I am pretty sure if I was on that field that day that loud mouth moron on Roses's sideline would have been taken out right after halftime. Some (not all) of their coaches were loud mouth jerks the entire game. But everyone has a right to act as they like, it just so happens that some people do have to pay the price for their actions.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on February 17, 2006, 09:09:23 pm
Renegade program... Marian college? They have never had/played football yet! What are you talking about? Coach(es) Karras' like to have fun... they played ball at Northwestern and still think that they can "whip" anybody. They are from the "region" in northwest Indiana and are typical "Bears" type guys. Against Rhodes this year after the game was sealed at the end... coach Ted and his brother Tony did their traditional "chest butt" and it was fairly close to some Rhodes players who thought that the Rose coaches were "mocking" them. They took exception and started to mouth the Karras', and of course, that is all it took! The (RHIT) players had to hold them back! Of note, Tony had to have knee surgery after the season because when he and Ted did that "chest butt" thing, he landed wrong and tore it up!

Renegade as in they are NAIA (Not Actually Intercollegiate Athletics)...the entire Karras family has little class and you have to look no further than your post.  I enjoyed watching DPU put 60 on them this year.  That staff deserved every bit of it.  And as Karras hobbled off the field he could not contain himself from shouting curses at the DPU sideline.  The guy is bad for college football in my opinion I don't care if he is from the "region" or not.  My grandfather always told me that "the scared dog barks the loudest"
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: buckydunk on February 17, 2006, 09:46:46 pm
Probably mad about the DePauw starters being in well into the 4th qtr. when they had 60 on the board. Word is, that is why they are not playing anymore.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorhog51 on February 18, 2006, 01:45:01 pm
From what I saw Karras was not as big of a jerk on the sideline of the DPU game this year as he has been the last couple of years.  Maybe DPU going up 21-7 with 12:00 left in the first made him decide that he was going to have to actually coach instead of just taunt DePauw's players and staff.  DePauw and Rose are not playing anymore because Rose is leaving to go to the HCAC and Austin is coming to the SCAC in their place.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: buckydunk on February 19, 2006, 12:13:20 pm
True about the schedule (see below) and the league switch, but Rose had a couple of open spots to fill this year.
Earlham has been the first game for awhile and that was not going to change. MSJ has been the second game for the last two years and will remain, but be a league game in 2006. Concordia had been on the schedule for the last two years, but that was suppose to end last year.
North Park was another surprise that showed up when the schedule came out.
The athletic dept. at Rose stated that in 2007, Rose will try to pick-up maybe Centre or Sewanee out of the SCAC again as a non-league game, because (I think) Concordia is only a one year thing. I think Rose fans were surprised that DePauw didn't remain. It is too bad, they are only 40 miles apart and makes for a nice "mini" rivalry. Too bad that the actions during and the competative nature of the game (on either side), effects decisions to not play in the future.

Sat., Sept. 2      Earlham College
Sat., Sept. 9    College of Mount St. Joe
Sat., Sept. 16    Concordia University (Ill.)
Sat., Sept. 23    at North Park University    
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on February 20, 2006, 11:46:05 am
I think Rose would rather keep their powderpuff schedule (Concordia?  Earlham?) than have a tough game against DePauw.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Chicago Freakshow on February 20, 2006, 12:58:50 pm
whoever this tiger dad is has to be messed up. first of all, depauw is the only D3 school who thinks they are #1 yet have never made it to the playoffs! Ha Ha!
And dont talk about rose's "powderpuff schedule". depauw didnt have the balls to play trinity. depauw was the scac champ by default. sure they did kill rose but chose not to play trinity! so you depauw poor souls, you aint got nothin to even whisper about.


Chicago Freakshow
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on February 20, 2006, 02:34:10 pm
Don't even start about DePauw ducking Trinity.  That had nothing to do with their team and more to do with the administration not wanting to send their kids down here to play.

Yes, DePauw ended up as co-champs, but I'm sure they would rather have played Trinity and risked losing that status for a shot at the outright title than not playing at all.  That's more than you can say for Rose, who schedules some of the worst teams they can find, and then wonders why they get walloped when they play DePauw and Trinity.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on February 20, 2006, 03:08:09 pm
Just a point of clarification ... "TigerDad" and "tigerdadplm" are different posters with different opinions, comments and styles. 

"TigerDad" (that's me) is a Trinity dad and fan with no knowledge about nor comment on other SCAC coaches or their styles ... just thought I'd point that out. 

Just a suggestion, "plm" ... you're certainly entitled to express your thoughts as you wish, but you might think about using a different post name to avoid confusion ...  :-\

How about "Ralph Turnor" or "K-Mark"???   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorhog51 on February 20, 2006, 04:03:57 pm
DePauw's schedule was already finalized and only has one open spot for Austin to come in, and that's the vacancy that Rose made by leaving.  DePauw is starting a home and away series with Anderson for the next several years, which is filling that week 1 opening where they played Welsey this past year.  I am sure there are lot of people on both sides that would have like to keep the Rose-DePauw "mini" rivalry going.  I am sure that one day it will get started again.
Also, Chicago Freakshow, I don't think you know anything about the DePauw-Trinity situation from this year.  The decision was made by administrators late in the day on Thursday to not make the trip.  If you ask any of the coaches or players I am sure they would have preferred to go, even with hurricane Rita on her way.  Also, attempts were made to reschedule the game, but nothing was able to be worked out.  So, don't say that Depauw did not have the balls to play Trinity because I am sure they would have played in the middle of the hurricane if they could have.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: buckydunk on February 20, 2006, 04:23:15 pm

That's more than you can say for Rose, who schedules some of the worst teams they can find, and then wonders why they get walloped when they play DePauw and Trinity.

Since 2003, Rose has scheduled Wash U., Wheaton, Carnegie Mellon & Mt. St. Joe... yeah, I see what you mean, a bunch of cupcakes!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on February 20, 2006, 05:15:41 pm
Wash U.?  Were they plaing them in the late 90's, because that's the last time Wash U was any good.  Then there's Earlham, Concordia, and Oberlin whom they played a total of 7 times compared to twice for Carnegie Mellon and Wheaton (since 2003). 

Is it a coincidence that their records have "improved" since 2003, or could it be due to the fact that they replaced CMU and Wheaton with Concordia and Oberlin?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: buckydunk on February 20, 2006, 06:16:26 pm
You are the one who said "worst teams they can find". Rose schedules according to the athletes that they can recruit. That scope is limited to the curriculum. I think they do a good job of mixing the "good" with the "bad".
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on February 20, 2006, 07:17:59 pm
Let's all get over the FACT that DePauw cancelled the trip to TU and was NOT able to reschedule it.

I have made my opinions clear that DPU gambled, and it back-fired.

So DPU is still hungry to GET to the playoffs and TU is hungry to STAY in the playoffs.  RHIT is officially GONE, and AC is IN.  Has anybody heard the definitive WORD on CC????

With a new voice from Chi-town on the board.... let's keep it friendly and look forward and NOT back.

I understand the recruiting difficulties that RHIT endures.  TU doesn't necessarily appeal to the same engineering geeks, but has equally high admission standards.  I'm told that 1300 SAT doesn't get you in to TU without many other +'s... go figure!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Chicago Freakshow on February 21, 2006, 10:48:10 am
Does anyone think AU can make a statement in the SCAC???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 21, 2006, 12:37:49 pm
AU?  Do you mean Austin College?

If so, there will be a new coach at AC and he loses some talented seniors.  Gage has a good track record (two state 5A championships) and comes from that part of the state (Lewisville).  He will be recruiting against schools with similar academic standards and focus, and that should help AC get some players who, quite frankly, didn't want to get beat up week-in and week-out by teams in the ASC. 

Time will tell.  Gage has to adjust to dealing with the players available in D3, and at 1,370 students AC will be at a disadvantage against some of the larger FB schools.   The location (60 miles from Dallas) is pretty rural; Sherman's a nice little town but there's not a whole lot happening if you're college age. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on February 21, 2006, 12:43:28 pm
Bonzo, FreakShow...  I think AC will come along to eventually fair better in the SCAC than in the ASC...  They have a tremendous pool of talent to recruit from and can maybe lure some talent in the mid-to-high SAT score range.  They should have fewer "bone-crusher" games and some opportunities to surprise some people in the traditional 'middle' of the SCAC. 

Whether they can move up to compete with TU, DPU, and Millsaps.... time will tell!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on February 21, 2006, 01:48:02 pm
Update on Jerheme Urbam from proplayers.com

http://www.nflplayers.com/players/player.aspx?ID=34817&section=journal
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on February 21, 2006, 08:28:15 pm
History,

Millsaps  ???
Save it for the Baseball Board.  Really, you are doing a great job over there  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldschool1 on February 21, 2006, 09:39:11 pm
hello
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on February 22, 2006, 06:58:56 am
ETG,,, you're right!  Millsaps has no reason to be mentioned in the same sentence with TU and DPU in football.

And I guess hello is in order.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 22, 2006, 10:08:37 am
Maybe historymajor just had a touch of "DuBose Fever" when he added Millsaps in with Trinity and DePauw.  Hopefully in a couple of years people won't be so quick to question the inclusion of Millsaps among the SCAC football elite.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Chicago Freakshow on February 22, 2006, 10:53:01 am
I have a feeling Austin could make an impact. They will by making northern teams come down to Texas twice. Once a year to Texas is a big travel advantage for AC and Trinity.


Chicago Freakshow
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on February 22, 2006, 12:57:28 pm
That explains this hacking cough and runny nose... DuBose fever,,, why didn't I think of that?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Chicago Freakshow on February 24, 2006, 11:06:52 am
I have a feeling DPU is going to upset TU this year. It will be close, but DPU will win the SCAC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on February 24, 2006, 02:47:06 pm
My guess is that you've had that feeling each of the last three years.  Particularly in 2004 with about 5 minutes left in the game.  The reoccurring pattern just happens to be, it won't happen.  Home or away, doesn't matter.  Be happy with second place.  In the event that you, Chicago Freakshow, are not of the DPU faithful, then those of you that are can rest knowing that 5 other teams would love to be where you are.  Be proud of what you've accomplished, but don't set your sights too high.

How's that for Karma Points? ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on February 24, 2006, 04:20:09 pm
How many players does DPU have coming back on offense and defense?  I know Trinity loses 4 OL's (all of them All-SCAC performers), 2 RB's (both of whom have been All-SCAC 1st team at one point), and, oh yea, Rob Kelner, the only player in SCAC history to win both the Offensive POTY and Special Teams POTY (I'm sure a lot of SCAC DB's are glad he's gone).  And that's only on offense!  Defensively, the Tigers have some great talent coming back led by Dustin Allen and Tyler Flynn, 8 starters in all.

I think next year might be DePauw's one shot at beating TU.  DePauw usually has a stout defense, and TU's offense didn't exactly set the world on fire last year.  Luckily, TU gets to play at home.  That hurricane debacle might turn out alright for Trinity - if there ever was a year where TU would want to play at home, it would be next year with all the young OL's and RB's - and they have 6 games (by my count) at EM Stevens.

If you ask me, Huntingdon has the best shot at beating them next year.  That was a very good team, and the scary part is most of that team is returning next year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 24, 2006, 06:54:10 pm
If you ask me, Huntingdon has the best shot at beating them next year.  That was a very good team, and the scary part is most of that team is returning next year.

Most?  How about "virtually all."  There is ONE senior on the current roster, a fullback who recorded no stats this season past. 

Interesting note:  Huntingdon will be  starting a marching band (http://www.huntingdon.edu/news/archive/2006/feb/02_06_06_huntingdon) next season.  Yep, they've got the college football bug big-time.   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2006, 08:14:55 pm
Huntingdon has a beautiful urban campus in a historic Montgomery neighborhood.  The stadium is conducive to walk-up traffic and tailgating.  The stands are on the West side across the main thoroughfare at the Cloverdale Annex.

Huntingdon is really going for that big time feel.   All of the fans can buy the Auburn or Alabama download program for their cell phones, and yet have better seats than most can get at Jordan-Hare or Bryant-Denny.

I can see Huntingdon College growing in both size and stature.  They have to be at a threshold where they begin to improve their bottom line dramatically with the extra enrollment.

Now all they have to do is figure how the bumper sticker...

"I am for Huntingdon and whoever is playing Maryville"...

maybe...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on February 26, 2006, 07:16:56 pm
Freakshow, 719803, Bonzo,

You each make some "very interesting" comments regarding the 2006 football season for TU, DPU and Huntingdon.  I am pleased to limit my reply only to the TU Tigers, and only to two words: "Black Flag".   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on March 03, 2006, 12:11:07 pm
Vote for who you feel the most valuable QB is not the "best" QB
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 03, 2006, 04:43:03 pm
This poll needs a "none of the above" option ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DanSwan on March 04, 2006, 08:23:43 pm
Thats my vote
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on March 04, 2006, 10:04:54 pm
Boy...that's it?  That's the best in conference?  I need a throw-up emoticon.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on March 04, 2006, 10:05:49 pm
Ok,,, I voted for Jake....  I really think he'll come through... if he gets injured or falters... Blake and/or others willl aptly replace him....  TU is really deep at QB and will rise again!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on March 05, 2006, 06:43:28 am
Yikes, we Texas football fans just can't be ourselves without a "quarterback controversy", can we?   :-\

I vote for the entire TU offense ... time for some improvements in terms of time of possession, total yards, and points scored, especially in the red zone.  Let's not rely on the Black Flag so much this season, men.  If the Tiger "O" can step it up a bit, I think TU can make some playoff progress in 2006.

2006 Trinity Tiger Football ... the march to Salem begins.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on March 05, 2006, 05:01:21 pm
Bonzo,
Does the "none of the above" option you mentioned include Blake Barmore? How about a more extensive QB listing?

Radio Guy,
Will the "throw-up emoticon" be ready for your use by September 23rd? Hope so?

TigerDad,
You're on target regarding the upgraded TU offense for 2006, and IMHO we will see it. Regarding the "Black Flag", we have always been extremely glad to have it and in 2006 we absolutely will be again.

 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on March 05, 2006, 06:59:57 pm
etg,

Not even sure who the DPU QB is on 9/23.  Says something, don't it? 

Seriously, I think Cannon will get better.  Satterfield's probably the best all around QB in the conference, it's who I voted for.  He's got more legs than Cannon, and throws a pretty accurate ball.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on March 06, 2006, 12:04:28 pm
I guess I did not give enough options on the QB poll, I will have a more extensive list for the RB's, since I am going through FB withdrawl I do a poll for each skill position each week.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on March 08, 2006, 12:24:33 pm
The Stats

J. Marks - DPU
9 games, 190 attempts, 881 yards, 4.6 ypc, 97.1 ypg, 16 TD's
3 rec, 35 yards, 1TD

T. Lake - RC
10 games, 185 attempts, 828 yards, 4.5 ypc, 82.4 ypg, 4 TD's
24 rec, 141 yards, 0TD's

B. Mears - UOS
10 games, 153 attempts, 765 yards, 4.4 ypc, 76.5 ypg, 2 TD's
22 rec, 244 yards, 1TD

T. Roy - MC
7 games, 98 attempts, 407 yards, 4.2 ypc, 58.1 ypg, 4 TD's
4 Rec, 18 yards, 0TD

J. Floyd - AC
10 games, 72 attempts, 387 yards, 4.8 ypc, 34.7 ypg, 2TD's
23 rec, 126 yards, 1TD

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 08, 2006, 12:43:20 pm
Final results for the QB poll:

Jacob Cannon - Trinity   9 (52.9%)
Kevin Phelps - Centre   0 (0%)
Wes Satterfield - Sewanee   8 (47.1%)
 
Total Votes: 17

... and the RB poll, like all polls, needs a "none of the above" option ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on March 08, 2006, 04:10:52 pm
BFB-  I can't believe I did that again (no "none of the above" option), I will improve next time (I think).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on March 08, 2006, 11:28:02 pm
Wish I could vote, but my selection isn't listed ... none of the above for me.   ;)
Guess I'll just have to wait until the Fall. 
It's only six months more ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on March 09, 2006, 09:58:59 am
I admit I voted for Marks,,,  but I couldn't 'bear' it... I 'barely' got Cannon through the QB vote!
I'm with you TigerDad... my pick wasn't on the ballot....  Next year he will be!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on March 09, 2006, 01:34:32 pm
Am I to assume that you think chris should have made the ballot?  Sorry I forgot to put a none of the above option on there.  Good luck to TU and chris is 06
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on March 09, 2006, 03:42:28 pm

Alright, guys.  Let's get some perspective.  He's a non-scholarship player.  Normally, you don't make a tailback wait a year if he's that good.  I hope he's great, but let's not start this now. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on March 09, 2006, 05:45:46 pm
TU2698;
 
All Division III athletes are "non-scholarship" including all those listed on the ballot above.  Check the URL of this site, get off your high horse and support the athletes or move on over to a D-1 message board with that weak stuff.  An athlete's choice of schools is not only based upon D-1 offers or scholarship opportunities.  Or do you think that all D-III athletes are second-rate?

Don't get me started ...  :-X
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on March 10, 2006, 10:51:18 am
Whoa.  Easy big Daddy!

I know everyone's non-scholarship.  I was just trying to shed light on that.  I do think that if he were as good as y'all are saying he is, he would be on scholarship somewhere.  I'm not saying that no one on the team is deserving of a scholarship, but no collegiate athlete deserves all this hype until he's proved his mettle in crunch time.  That's the difference between our circle of fans and the legions of idiots that pin all their hopes and dreams on recruting class rankings in Division I.  I tend to think most people on this board are a little more realistic.  Apparently, there are exceptions, and your enthusiasm is your right. 

I'm just not about to contribute to putting undue pressure on the kid.  I'd support him whether he set records or was left off the travel team.  You really think that anyone who would dump on d3 would even read this board much less post?  Every other fall, I pass on the LSU/Alabama game so that I can drive three hours to watch Millsaps host Trinity so don't tell me to get off my high horse and go to a D1 page.

Before you go on attacks like that, especially against your own, maybe you should remember where you are.

And yes, if you put Mt Union up against any playoff team in Division II/NAIA, I suspect they'd get smoked, just like we couldn't hold up against Azusa Pacific. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on March 13, 2006, 12:50:36 pm
Shon - 10 games, 59 rec, 542 yards, 2 TD's

Clark - 9 games, 50 rec, 700 yards, 6 TD's

Hicks - 10 games, 29 rec, 343 yards, 3 TD's

Hatcher - 10 games, 29 rec, 289 yards, 1 TD

Foisy - 9 games, 26 rec, 549 yards, 4 TD's

Freyder - 10 games, 26 rec, 265 yards, 3 TD's
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on March 13, 2006, 12:52:37 pm
My son just met with coach Reha, he told him that Nystrom (DC) is leaving DePauw, yet another blow to an already sketchy situation.  DC has been there all of 1/2 a year and is moving on.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on March 15, 2006, 02:59:13 pm
tigerdadplm, wasnt he brought in over Kaz last year...what is going on down in Greencastle...or is that Mr Rodgers Neighborhood ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on March 15, 2006, 04:38:51 pm
The way I understand it is they fired Hill to hire Nystrom.

Nystrom when hired was given all of Kaz's responsibilities (DC/s&c). 

Kaz stayed on board through the season and left to be the Butler DC after Long turned it down. 

Nystrom left this week leaving the Tigers without a DC, DB coach, Safeties coach, S&C coach

....oh and by the way the GA/LB coach left this week as well.

Spring practice starts in less than a month :-[
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on March 15, 2006, 08:04:08 pm
tigerdadplm, i have to say, i am not surprised...i hope for the players sake that it will settle down...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on March 21, 2006, 06:27:48 pm
TU2698;  Fair enough.  As hindsight is 20/20, I reckon I deserved that as I did pounce a bit hard.  I still maintain that the D-1 and D-2 levels miss some of the best athletes. Scholarships given do not a player make.  However, your point is well taken about waiting until performance is proven at any level.  We have all witnessed the dozens of recruits and high draft picks who disappear into the night without ever matching their hype.

Personally, I am quite familiar with some players' past performances ... we shall all see what the future holds with the 2006 TU Tigers.  Appreciate your insight and my apologies for any offense given ... we shall cheer side-by-side soon enough.  Perhaps at Davis Field on Nov 11th?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on March 22, 2006, 02:14:09 pm
Glad to see you guys sharing hugs and kisses!  There's room for both of you in my sensitivity training class....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on March 22, 2006, 10:53:23 pm

Me?  What are you talking about? ;)  You should have seen what I almost posted before a massive edit. 

Yeah, I'll probably be at the game in Jackson next fall.  For anyone that hasn't seen the renovation to that stadium, do yourselves a favor and head out there.  It looks fantastic. 

That was quite a retraction TigerDad.  I applaud you.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on March 23, 2006, 10:32:14 am
See, that just proves that everyone can "just get along"!!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on March 23, 2006, 05:14:43 pm
now if we can get our team to look good playing at a nice field like Harper Davis is, the Majors will be in good shape!  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on March 23, 2006, 08:22:53 pm
News Reporter:  The teams looking pretty good this year coach.

Coach:  Yeah, Ive gotta agree, but Id trade em all for one ugly guy who can hit.

signed,
Jack Lamberts Orthodontist
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on April 01, 2006, 07:02:11 pm
(El Tea Gray---re:Bobby Adamson, Nacogdoches, TX HS)

Bobby Adamson, starting QB (junior) and DB by request (senior), 4.0 GPA, at Nacogdoches, TX High School has agreed to play football for the 2006 season at Trinity. He was also All-District in soccer.

Go Tigers!

 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 01, 2006, 11:48:12 pm
That and other "commitments" are in the Daily Dose from this afternoon.
http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/?p=192
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on April 02, 2006, 12:16:40 am

If you haven't read that daily dose about recruiting, read it. 

A kid executes a media charade to announce he's getting a scholarship at Huntingdon.  The high school coach gushes about his character, but not only does he carry one with this farce, he says Huntingdon was a no brainer because at Bridgewater he would have had to play behind a senior who was ensconced at tailback. 

Please tell me that there's someone reading this board who can speak for both Huntingdon and the Gulf Breeze, FL media outlet that released this garbage. 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 02, 2006, 12:24:48 am
I have found most times it isn't the college that executes the "signing day" ritual, it's the high school.

By the way, you also misread the story. It said there was no senior tailback at Bridgewater -- that one had just graduated, so he would be likely to be the starter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on April 02, 2006, 12:37:48 am

No, I read it right.  It says the guy at the school in VA was going to start no matter what.  See for yourself. 

I know that Huntingdon wouldn't have endorsed such a story.  I just want to know what they think of it.  The high school has embarrassed itself.  I can't say enough about the kid's principal, coach, and parents.  I'm dying to know what the thought process was.  In day to day conversation, there are plenty of ignorant people, but usually people get their facts straight before they go public with announcements.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 02, 2006, 10:50:36 am
The quote in question is:

Ganus chose Huntingdon over a nationally-ranked school in Virginia. They had a returning senior at running back.

"He's was
[sic] going to start, no matter what," Ganus said.

If you want to blame anyone, blame the staff at Gulf Breeze HS.  They were the ones that called the media and set up the press conference.  And the local media isn't smart enough, apparently, to know that D3 doesn't do "signings" or athletic scholarships.   

I did find this comment interesting:

The past two years, they've had six different changes at starting running back and the three players that got a chance to start last year are gone now."

Oh, really?  Willie Horn (http://www.huntingdon.edu/athletics/mens_athletics/football/players/willie_horn) [109 carries, 826 yds, 9 TDs, 7.6 ypc], a rising junior, isn't returning?

The article sure makes it sound like the young man didn't want to go somewhere where he had to compete for a starting role ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 02, 2006, 11:54:43 am
He shouldn't have to compete. He's on scholarship. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on April 03, 2006, 09:46:11 am


I did find this comment interesting:

The past two years, they've had six different changes at starting running back and the three players that got a chance to start last year are gone now."

Oh, really?  Willie Horn (http://www.huntingdon.edu/athletics/mens_athletics/football/players/willie_horn) [109 carries, 826 yds, 9 TDs, 7.6 ypc], a rising junior, isn't returning?

The article sure makes it sound like the young man didn't want to go somewhere where he had to compete for a starting role ...

Looking at Huntingdon's current roster, they seem to be keeping it updated as Horn and Marshall Barfield are still listed while Adrian Dailey and Jamal Gardner(2nd and 3rd leading rushers last year) aren't. I don't know if that means for sure that Horn and Barfield will be back, but if they are then Mr. Ganus can definitely expect some competition from returning starters. Barfield was really good the first couple of games before missing the rest of the season with a knee injury. Since he is one the leading hitters for the baseball team right now, I assume that means he's back close to 100%. We'll see what Ganus has when August gets here.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on April 04, 2006, 10:03:59 am
Good morning, SCAC fans.

In case there are any two-sport players (football and baseball) or parent's of baseball players (whether they play football or not) that I'll be at Saturday's DH between Austin College and Mississippi College photographing the event on behalf of d3sports.com.

Stop by and say "hi" if you can, and be sure to check out the image galleries after the game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on April 04, 2006, 03:13:24 pm
It's a good thing Hertel is coming back to make this a 2-horse race
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on April 06, 2006, 12:31:33 pm
I'm surprised that the vote is that close.

Dustin should have won DPOTY last year.  Hopefully this year he will leave no doubt.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on April 06, 2006, 07:16:10 pm
I'm surprised that the vote is that close.

Dustin should have won DPOTY last year. Hopefully this year he will leave no doubt.

You're so right. Hertel got robbed.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on April 09, 2006, 11:12:21 am
I would have added Ted Barnhardt to that list... But I couldn't vote for none of the above!  Go TU!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on April 09, 2006, 05:48:24 pm

You're so right. Hertel got robbed.

Maybe I should have clarified...Dustin Allen  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on April 12, 2006, 09:31:59 am
??
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on April 13, 2006, 12:40:49 pm
I voted with my heart but I think that 06 will be a tough year for DPU, they will either grow up in a hurry of struggle through growing pains, replacing a great QB/Ath, 2 damn good WR's, 4 of 5 on the O-Line...but the defense may be able to carry them through the early going.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on April 13, 2006, 03:53:50 pm
Graduating a QB is always tough, but especially so if a freshman by the name of SPUD DICK ends up under center(see daily dose). 

Actually, I'm sure he's a good player.  But the name.  Ouch.   ???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on April 13, 2006, 04:18:44 pm
Ive seen Spud Dick play at least four times in high school and he is a solid recruit.

His weightroom numbers arent outlandish, but they are more than respectable for a high school quarterback.  240 bench and 340 squat with a 4.9 second forty yard dash.

His height is a little different than what the folks in Greencastle are used to.  Since Clippinger, DPU quarterbacks have been fairly tall and Spud measures in stretched at 5'10.

What was most impressive about Spud was the transition from his junior to senior high school years.  He was surrounded by gretaer talent as a junior than as a senior, but the teams overall capability dropped very little as Spud matured and found better and innovative ways to get the ball to the remaining talent.

While his senior numbers, win-losses werent as prolific as his junior numbers, I was of the opinion this had more to do with the improvement of play in his high school conference than with any letdown by his team. 

While a team from the rival conference bulldozed everybody with the wing t and suprior talent and size, the rest of Spuds own conference improved drastically as several very talented running backs transferred into systems with veteran lines.  As a junior, Spud was the only quarterback to test that dominant wing t team.

Depauw got a quality recruit there, valued probably more for his leadership and mind than physical prowess.

signed,
Curly Lambeau
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorhog51 on April 13, 2006, 04:35:18 pm
Graduating a QB can be rough on any team.  I think that DPU has some quality guys coming back in Abe Winkle, who was no. 2 last year, and Robbie MacLaughlin, who is a freshman currently and only saw action in JV games.  Also, Spud sounds like he is a pretty good player and leader.  What might be of more concern for DPU is graduating 4 of 5 starting o-linemen and 4 d-linemen (3 starters and 1 backup).  All of the second units saw limited playing time last year, and several guys who will probably be stepping into varsity positions are freshmen right now.  There are some upper classmen ready to step in, as well, but they have only seen limited playing time over the last couple of years.  It will be interesting to see who steps up as leaders (both by their performances and throught their words) for the Tigers.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on April 13, 2006, 05:44:46 pm
Thats probably the highest rate of attrition for both lines on a college squad that I have ever heard.  Methinks some of this has to do with the frequency of coaching turnover, never a good thing!!

Which positions and players are returning for Depauw along the frontline.  Im supposing one of them is the guy listed in the poll at the top of the page.   The offensive starter returning being?

Better hope for some solid fullback and linebacker play to hang the teams toughness on.  Nothing against DBs and WRs but the tone is set up front and can be done by tweeners as much as fullblown hogs sometimes, depending on scheme and other factors.  Though DeAngelo Harris did a quality job of exuding toughness for his team down in Memphis with a very thin and inexperienced line. 

Wabash is running their yap about the size of their oline over on the NCAC page.  Never too soon to throw some fuel on the Monon fire.  Claiming the best returning recievers in the land as well.

signed,
Chuck Bednarik
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorhog51 on April 13, 2006, 06:38:55 pm
Hertel is returning on the d-line at end and Pappas on the o-line at one of the gaurd positions.  I think that it should also be noted that one of the o-linemen graduating this year was a 5-th year who battled with a junior for the starting job as the beginning of the season last fall. 
I think there is a lot of potential and talen in the guys who will be fighting for starting spots.  There just isn't a lot of experience.
No offense intended MacLeod, but I don't think that the coaching turnover has much to do with graduating so many.  This senior class had A LOT of talent in it at almost every position, and most of the guys started for 2-3 years at their position, and the guys behind them have some experience but not as much as most coaches would like.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on April 13, 2006, 11:39:29 pm
Might be that those guys played early because of the coaching changes.  Easier to go with the old standby, what have you done for me lately, than be forced to dance with the gurl you brung when your the new guy on the block and you didnt brunger.

You are/were there in Greencastle, so Im assuming your scenarios the real lowdown.

Remember reading about Pappas a while back.  Struck me that he was something like 240 or so.  With smaller size Im expecting hes a mean badger and an excellent technician to be playing amongst the redwoods. 

Guards around that size are what those on the outside of division three site as the inferiority of the division, whereas I believe it to be the strength.  Ive known a 240 pound guard in my day take some division 1 talented tackles out back behind the woodshed and treat em till they were no longer randy.

One of the regulars on the board talked about an old time Tennessee team that was made up of eleven fullbacks.  Division three Outsiders would be surprised at some of the real innovations and evolutions attributable to different not lesser skill sets.

regards,
MC Hammer
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorhog51 on April 14, 2006, 08:37:21 am
Those guys started playing their sophomore year while Coach Nick was still there because they were good.  They were competing with and beating out seniors and juniors for the starting jobs.  (Hertel started over some pretty good guys as a freshman, but he is by far the exception)  When Coach Lynch came in those guys were already developed somewhat, and had the experience and talent it took to play.  With Coach Rogers the same guys were now seasoned veterans who knew what they were doing.  Without the talent in the senior class this year, DePauw would not have been as good as they were.

Pappas was listed at 6'2"-250 this year.  He doesn't have the height that some coaches would like (the 6'2" is about 2-3 inches taller than what he really is), but he is more athletic than just about any offensive linemen that I have seen.  And you are correct that his technique is really good.  He went to Trinity H.S. in Louisville, KY, which from my understand produces D-I talent on a regular basis.  I think that if Pappas was a lot closer to the 6'5"+ that D-I schools look for he has the technique and athleticism that he could play at that level. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on April 17, 2006, 05:53:22 pm
Just saw the news that Colorado College HAS joined the SCAC..... bring on the frequent-flier miles!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 17, 2006, 06:46:20 pm
Still TBD is how and when several sports, including football, will be integrated into the SCAC schedule.  More details on the front page; in some sports, CC starts SCAC play in the upcoming season:

Pairing CC with Austin in most team sports is going to make for an ugly travel weekend for the rest of the SCAC.   D/FW is 70+ miles away from Sherman, and if you fly in Friday afternoon you are going to deal with the UGLY rush-hour traffic on 75, 35, you name it. 

In other news, the conference today announced its support for the repeal of the Wright Amendment (that's a joke folks).   That said, about the only airline flying DFW-Colorado Springs non-stop is American.  Love Field would be closer and one would think fares on SW to Colorado Springs would be cheaper  ... but SW doesn't fly into the Springs, only Denver, an hour+ away.  In any case, open-jaw airfares (e.g. Indianapolis-DFW-Colo Sprs/Denver-Indianapolis) are generally much higher than standard round trips.  Good luck to the Hendrixes and Oglethorpes and other schools that don't have big endowments. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on April 17, 2006, 06:55:15 pm
Still TBD is how and when several sports, including football, will be integrated into the SCAC schedule.  More details on the front page; in some sports, CC starts SCAC play next year:

  • Cross Country
  • Swimming/Diving
  • Tennis
  • Track & Field

Pairing CC with Austin in most team sports is going to make for an ugly travel weekend for the rest of the SCAC.   D/FW is 70+ miles away from Sherman, and if you fly in Friday afternoon you are going to deal with the UGLY rush-hour traffic on 75, 35, you name it. 

In other news, the conference today announced its support for the repeal of the Wright Amendment (that's a joke folks).   That said, about the only airline flying DFW-Colorado Springs non-stop is American.  Love Field would be closer and one would think fares on SW to Colorado Springs would be cheaper.  In any case, open-jaw airfares (e.g. Indianapolis-DFW-Colo Sprs-Indianapolis) are generally much higher than standard round trips.  Good luck to the Hendrixes and Oglethorpes and other schools that don't have big endowments. 

Was it the president of Princeton who once said (about a hundred years ago) that he couldn't endorse the idea of Princeton's football team trekking all the way to the University of Chicago "merely to agitate a bag of wind"?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 17, 2006, 07:03:42 pm
Was it the president of Princeton who once said (about a hundred years ago) that he couldn't endorse the idea of Princeton's football team trekking all the way to the University of Chicago "merely to agitate a bag of wind"?

It wouldn't surprise me if so ...

and I just realized that we have yet ANOTHER "Tiger" school joining the conference.  Bully.  Look, CC is up in the mountains, why don't they become the Cougars or Catamounts or Mountain Lions or something? ;)   ANYTHING but another Tiger school. 

Colorado College Tigers
DePauw Tigers
Sewanee Tigers
Trinity Tigers

Sounds like we should divide football into the "Tiger" and "non-Tiger" division.   :)

Seriously, welcome to Colorado College.  It sounds like I'm not happy with them coming into the league and it's just the logistics that are a concern.  From an academics/athletics POV they are an excellent addition to the conference, tho I wish they didn't have two Division I sports (ice hockey, women's soccer). 

OBTW the Colorado College website (http://www.coloradocollege.edu/athletics/pressreleases/PR0506/041706SCAC.asp) says they'll begin playing in all other sports in '07-'08. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 17, 2006, 07:06:48 pm
The conference office suggested to me that a league meeting over the summer would determine those dates, and whether there would be a split into divisions in basketball.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 17, 2006, 07:45:04 pm
I still wonder where the SCAC will find the 12th member that they have talked about since last spring.  The 6 and 5 division format would work in the West and East.

I am guessing CC-AC/SU-TU/HC-RC in the West,
and DPU/MC-OU/CC-US in the East.

As for Hendrix and the travel schedule, I believe that HC is in this for the long haul.  They have been a member of the CAC/SCAC for a long time and probably do not see themselves as an ASC-East team (UT-Tyler, UT-Dallas, U Ozarks, LeTourneau and football schools like Miss Coll, LaColl and ETBU.)

I still wonder if Oglethorpe would find the GSAC a better fit for their budget.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 17, 2006, 08:45:17 pm
Hendrix' Endowment was reported to NACUBO (http://www.nacubo.org/documents/research/FY04NESInstitutionsbyTotalAssetsforPress.pdf) in 2004 as $137M for #268th of the reporting schools.

John Carroll at #270 and Kalamazoo at #271 report endowments of $135M.

I think that they can afford it. ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Longtooth on April 18, 2006, 10:58:14 am
So I would assume that CC will play the schedule they have for this season, how about for 07 and 08?  Does anyone have any ideas?














Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 18, 2006, 03:45:16 pm
Colorado College's 2006 Schedule (http://www.coloradocollege.edu/athletics/varsity_sports/football/schedule/index.asp)

I can see CCTigers going maybe as good as 6-4.  IMHO, 7-3 would be a stretch; 3-7 a disappointment.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 18, 2006, 03:50:02 pm
So I would assume that CC will play the schedule they have for this season, how about for 07 and 08?  Does anyone have any ideas?

CC's plan (according to their web site (http://www.coloradocollege.edu/athletics/pressreleases/PR0506/041706SCAC.asp)) is to play a SCAC schedule in '07-'08 ...  but Pat C. said:

The conference office suggested to me that a league meeting over the summer would determine those dates, and whether there would be a split into divisions in basketball.

I think CC would be happy with .500 given their previous difficulties and a lot of travel. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 18, 2006, 04:14:56 pm
I would expect that 2007 is a reasonable time to expect CC to play SCAC football. That's a lot of teams to add -- they only play Rhodes right now -- but it can be done easily given that time frame.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on April 19, 2006, 05:22:25 pm
The schedule that the site has for Millsaps next year does not show Austin College, Millsaps' website shows that game being played in Sherman on October 14th.  The Majors actually have two open dates on 9/9 and 9/30, which if that holds, will give them a nine game schedule again.  This is disappointing for the fans!!!  Link to the schedule on the Millsaps' website:

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/schedule.shtml
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 19, 2006, 07:41:20 pm
Thanks, ex-major. I literally was on Millsaps site just this past weekend and there was no 2006 football schedule.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 19, 2006, 09:34:42 pm
The schedule that the site has for Millsaps next year does not show Austin College, Millsaps' website shows that game being played in Sherman on October 14th.  The Majors actually have two open dates on 9/9 and 9/30, which if that holds, will give them a nine game schedule again.  This is disappointing for the fans!!!  Link to the schedule on the Millsaps' website:

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/schedule.shtml

Ex-major, Millsaps is getting some help with 7 conference games in the future.  MissColl and Belhaven are almost no-brainers and Huntingdon and LaGrange will always need games.  That even leaves LaCollege as a nearby opponent.

Good luck in the future on scheduling!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on April 20, 2006, 02:03:26 pm
Ralph,
I agree with your assessment about Millsaps' future ability to set a complete 10-game schedule.  I hope they can fill an open date this season, too. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on April 20, 2006, 11:06:18 pm
Pat Coleman,

After looking at the blog on random schedules I checked  the Austin College schedule you have posted and it is incomplete.  The full AC schedule can be found at

http://www.austincollege.edu/Info.asp?4588

They now have a full ten game schedule!!

Hope this helps !!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 20, 2006, 11:51:09 pm
Once Austin figures out its game times, we'll post the schedule. We don't post an entire schedule of TBA games.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Longtooth on April 24, 2006, 10:33:52 pm
How does CC look for THIS year?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 25, 2006, 12:09:34 am
How does CC look for THIS year?

CC?

CC = Centre College?

CC = Colorado College?  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on April 27, 2006, 02:37:02 pm
Ralph,
Based on his Reply #1005 I think Longtooth is referring to Colorado College?

I guess it needs to be CeC and CoC from now on?   :D   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 27, 2006, 02:46:46 pm
Ralph,
Based on his Reply #1005 I think Longtooth is referring to Colorado College?

I guess it needs to be CeC and CoC from now on?   :D   

 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Thanks, etg!

Now that the SCAC has added another Tiger and an AC, how about Denison College? :D :D :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on April 27, 2006, 03:41:14 pm
Ralph,
I have my doubts about  DC=Denison College  :D  but, at least even money on HC=Hanover College.   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 27, 2006, 03:45:21 pm
From a football point of view, the two nine-member leagues in the Deep South, as opposed to the Tidewater/Atlantic South, would have open dates that would require filling.  Thus, we might get some ASC vs. SCAC (with HC-Hanover as opposed to HC-Huntingdon)  action beyond the first 2 weekends of the season. ;)

Man, the off-season is tough! :-\
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 28, 2006, 09:47:44 am
A story in the Trinity student paper (http://www.trinitonian.com/media/storage/paper819/news/2006/04/28/Sports/Football.Team.Gears.Up.For.Next.Season-1881566.shtml?norewrite200604280941&sourcedomain=www.trinitonian.com&mkey=1961300) discusses the outlook for next season and rates this year's recruiting class as a "B", with 40 projected new faces vs. the usual 55-60. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on April 28, 2006, 10:44:21 am
As far as recruiting goes, Mohr rates this year as a "B" year. Although he will not have the final list until August, Mohr predicts that there will be only 40 newcomers next year instead of the usual 55 to 60.

"In Division III it's all about depth and numbers," Mohr said.


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 28, 2006, 02:17:56 pm
We apparently have a new definition of in-region (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=3880.msg519230#msg519230) for next year.  As I understand it, there are now four "global" regions for all sports, and each sport can have an additional "regional" definition ... and games count as "in-region" if they are in EITHER regional definition or within the old 200-mile limit.

Texas schools fall into a new "Region 4" which consists of:
Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Mexico, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Dakota, Texas, Utah, Washington, Wisconsin, Wyoming.

So the Trinity game against Redlands should count as "in-region" even though Redlands is in the South football region. 

The non-Texas SCAC schools all fall into "Region 3":  Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, North Carolina, Ohio, Puerto Rico, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia, West Virginia.

Thanks to Ralph Turner for pointing this out on the ASC board.


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 01, 2006, 11:45:23 am
[put this on the baseball board, figured more people would see it here]

I think that Depauw's performance this weekend was good enough to win the SCAC President's Trophy  ... the first time since the '00-'01 season and only the second time in 13 years for someone besides TU to win the all-sports championship.

DePauw had about a 50-point lead going into the weekend:

Baseball:  TU +15 (if co-champ points awarded)
Softball:  TU +10
Golf (M):  DPU +50
Golf (W): DPU +25
Tennis (M):  TU +10
Tennis (W):  TBD but likely net 0 (see below)
T&F (M):  DPU +10
T&F (W):  TU +10

Net Sports Festival weekend:  DPU +40


Still one sport to be decided ... women's tennis, where "the women's tennis match was called with DePauw leading 3-1, due to travel conflicts for Trinity.  The SCAC office declared the two teams co-champions and the women's tennis tournament committee will discuss the outcome on Monday."  A TU women's tennis loss, I think, would be the first since joining the SCAC. 

So, for the folks who are tired of hearing about the "DPU travel conspiracy" in FB, there's a TU women's tennis travel conspiracy for you.   :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorhog51 on May 02, 2006, 03:16:12 pm
Thanks for posting that, Ron.  The story behind the women's tennis championship is interesting.  Without going into any detail, the story I got was that Trinity had to leave to catch their flight because their coach said their AD would not allow any team to fly out on Monday due to finals.  When they knew they were going to have to stop the match, Trinity asked to be named co-champions. (At least that is the story I got from someone who I know was there.)  As far as I know the conference has not made an official decision on it, even though Trinity's website has them as co-champions.  If it were up to me, I would consider Trinity leaving as a forfeit of the match and declare DePauw the champions.

Sorry for posting this on the FB pages, but there really isn't anywhere great to put it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 02, 2006, 04:57:45 pm
If I read this correctly (http://www.collegetennisonline.com/view/teamscoresheet.asp?scseId=119322&tmId=2804), 'hog, Trinity was leading the three singles matches in progress with #5 and #6 still to go.  Either that, or they were trailing in all three. 

Whatever the case, it's too bad the match wasn't finished.  Next year should be even more interesting as DePauw loses only two to graduation, Trinity one.  Wait, they list Liz Bondi as a junior when DPU shows her as a senior, so that may not be the case. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scacman on May 02, 2006, 04:59:36 pm
I've got an idea of where you should put it!  TU was the only school that flew all of its athletes in for the SCAC spring sports festival.  I'm not sure but I think TU's exams start about the earliest of any member also.  In order to change the flights, well you know the airlines..... and King was not able to stay for the completion of the of the sports on Sunday due to a family conflict at home, so the decision was pre-made and understandable.  Weather and limited facillities at Sewanee played large into the debacle....  Evidently Coach Page and Coach Scannell worked out a fair settlement on co-champs in baseball without King on-site..... I guess the hot-headed tennis types couldn't!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WLU78 on May 04, 2006, 07:30:04 am
Sewanee just got a good one, Basil Wilson from the Darlington School in Rome, GA.  Great kid, outstanding student, and a pretty darn good football player as well.  He plays hard, executes well and will be a fine addition to the Tigers.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on May 11, 2006, 03:27:00 pm
It looks as if, according to the Millsaps website, that they have added a tenth game to the upcoming 2006 schedule.  I can't find all the details, but they list Lincoln College as a September game next fall.  The only Lincoln College I could find is a historically black institution located outside of Philly in PA.  It seems as if the school is re-instituting a football program at the DII level, but that is where I get lost.  I can't tell from the school's website when this actually takes effect.  It appears as if this may only count as a Club game for Millsaps this year?  Pat may be able to shed some more light on it.  Here is the link to the Lincoln website discussing the return of football:

http://www.lincoln.edu/athletics/football/index.html

Again, I am sketchy on the details, but adding a "club" game to round out a schedule may not be the best option?  Thoughts from the board?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on May 11, 2006, 03:33:31 pm
Sorry, there is another Lincoln University in Missouri that plays DII football, but no link to a 2006 schedule, whichever Lincoln it is, it has them scheduled to play in Jackson on the Millsaps website.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 11, 2006, 09:33:08 pm
Well, there was a link on hoops about D3 Lincoln PA-> D2 and adding football, if I was a wagering man I would bet this is who's coming to town.

http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/?p=174

Playing either a D2 school or a D2 wannabe isn't a great move either way.  It's a tenth game, true.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: moondog on May 12, 2006, 11:33:17 pm
TUF Alumni or friend of the program. The Alumini golf tourney is jun 3rd. I have played in the last 5 and it is a blast. I have met so many "old timers"  and met up with guys i played with.  Great time and FREE BEER, what else do you need to know. I can't play football anymore but i can out drive you. Who is in?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on May 16, 2006, 06:09:52 pm
The New Orleans Saints are reportedly going to hold their pre-season training camp this summer at Millsaps College.  This is not official as of yet as some details have not yet been finalized.  An announcement should be made in the next couple of days regarding where the Saints will hold their pre-season camp.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kracken on May 17, 2006, 09:08:52 am
How about some opinions on how DPU will look this upcoming season with its third coach in three years? I don't see how it is going to be anything but a struggle for these kids. It's hard to buy into something wholeheartedly when the recent past has dictated that they start all over in the next season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 17, 2006, 09:59:18 am
How about some opinions on how DPU will look this upcoming season with its third coach in three years? I don't see how it is going to be anything but a struggle for these kids. It's hard to buy into something wholeheartedly when the recent past has dictated that they start all over in the next season.

Unless you know something I don't, Tim Rogers is still the head coach.  Last season was three coaches (Mourouzis, Lynch, Rogers) in three years.    Seemed to work surprisingly well ...

There have been some rumbings about changes in the assistant coaching ranks at DePauw, but I'm not familiar with what's going on there. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on May 17, 2006, 11:34:14 am
As of right now DePauw has no only 1 assistant coach on staff so with Rogers that makes 2, interviews are going on now I believe
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 17, 2006, 12:22:45 pm
tigerdadplm, who is the remaining assistant?  The DPU website this AM lists four.  I seem to remember hearing something about Hreha leaving/being let go.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorhog51 on May 17, 2006, 12:43:52 pm
As far as assitants go, DePauw still has Walker, who coached rbs last year and has coached wrs in the past, Long, who is o-line, and Hreha, who is d-line.  From what I know they have finished interviewing to fill two defensive positions, including coordinator, and are just trying to get through all the red tape with the university before they hire someone.  I have not heard anything of who interviewed.
As far as the upcoming season goes, the Tigers will be young in the beginning at several key positions.  For a more thorough discussion check earlier pages on this board.  There is enough senior leadership that will help them challenge for the championship again this year. 
From what I have heard the coaching staff was very happy with the way recruiting went.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Werner99 on May 17, 2006, 02:28:27 pm
Just wanted to send a congratulations to all SCAC seniors who are graduating this spring.  You each made sacrifices to play football and complete requirements for a degree at a challenging university.  Most of you did this in four years.  It is easy for fans of Division III football to forget how rare this occurs.

You should be proud of your accomplishments and best of luck in the next step of your journey.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on May 17, 2006, 04:00:44 pm
BFB-  As far as I know the remaining 2 coaches are Rogers and the OL guy
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on May 17, 2006, 04:07:17 pm
that is also what i have been told...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on May 22, 2006, 06:49:20 pm
(El Tea Gray---re: 2006 TU/SCAC Football Season)


Trinity Tiger/SCAC Football Fans:
Only eleven+ weeks until the Black Flag reports.     ;D


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on May 23, 2006, 12:44:33 pm

Does the offense report at a different time? ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 23, 2006, 12:54:33 pm

Does the offense report at a different time? ;)

 :D :D :D :D :D

Let me see if I understand the question...

when will the Trinity offense show up?

 :) :) :) :) ;) ;D 8)

It is the off-season!  8)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on May 23, 2006, 11:07:53 pm
IMHO, the TU offense will show up early and often ... give those Black Flaggers a little R&R on the sidelines (for a change!)  Looking forward to seeing some better ball control and some bigtime plays this year. 

Impartially speaking, that is.   ;)  ;D

Ten weeks and counting ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on May 24, 2006, 11:46:16 am

How 'bout that new Trinity Fine Arts Facility?  If only I had been graduating from high school this year.  I know this is a football site, but I'm not kidding.  If anyone remembers David Coney, Dan Hansen's lineman of the year in 1999, he was in the symphony.  Let's hope that place brings in more guys like him! 

I know that art facilities do not attract the guys that help win championships, but I'm still fired up about it.

Does anyone know anything about the capital campaign to improve athletic facilities?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 24, 2006, 02:46:06 pm
Other than that the $5M allocated will be used for (among other things) new turf and improvements to the stadium/press box, no, not really.

Last I heard the campaign was a little more than halfway to its overall goal; don't know when they will start spending any of the money raised. 

The improvements to the FA facilities were way overdue.  It was a dump when I was a student there in the late 70's; at one point I was contemplating a double major in music and spent quite a bit of time there.  And if it helps bring in more guys like Coney, all the better.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 26, 2006, 05:16:00 pm
See front page (http://www.d3football.com) for story about Birmingham-Southern College (AL) petitioning to (a) join Division III, (b) join the SCAC, (c) build a football stadium, (d) start a football program.    They will become the second school in AL to go the D3 route (Huntingdon is the other). 

Here is BSC's press release (http://www.bsc.edu/communications/news/active/20060526_ncaa.htm) on the subject.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 26, 2006, 05:51:23 pm
For those wondering where BSC fits with the rest of the SCAC, here's a quick comparo with the seven current ('06) football-playing members*:

Student body size:  1356 - would rank 5th of 8, current SCAC range 1085-2524
Acceptance rate:  83% - would rank 8th of 8, range 49%-82%
SAT mean:  1200 - would rank 8th of 8, range 1205-1295
ACT mean:  27 - would rank 3(t) of 8, range 25.5-28.5
Tuition, room, board, fees:  $30,780 p.a., would rank 2nd most affordable ($29,998 - $36,292)
Endowment:  $120M (e) - would rank 6th of 8, range $86M-$674M

* - includes Austin, not Colorado College
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 26, 2006, 05:53:23 pm
More coverage out front, including a long Q&A with B-SC president David Pollick conducted this afternoon.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on May 27, 2006, 06:47:34 pm
(El Tea Gray---re: Augustana/Trinity)

Bonzo,
2005 Augustana  (10-2),  10th in QOW=11.000
                                          Tied with Trinity

Guess that d3quarterback is a "Caveman", but  I must be also. Do we watch too much television; "roast duck with the mango salsa" for anyone?

 :D :D :D

TigerDad,
Ten weeks, great!!!   I have no doubt that "The Offense" will also be there, probably stronger than ever for a "Week One" game. With the new opponent, they certainly will need to be.    ??? ??? ???



Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 28, 2006, 10:22:39 am
etg, when someone says to me "power" it means a team that challenges for the championship year after year.  'stana hasn't made the playoffs half of the time in recent years and when they do they get plowed under by MUC every time.  So ... MUC is a power.   ;D

And, as you know, sadly QoWI is an artificial measure that doesn't reflect a team's true strength. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HoosierQBScout on May 30, 2006, 01:30:31 pm
MacLeod---
Regarding you post on Lawrence Central QB Spud Dick...I think your observaitons are quite good...I haven't been in Indiana for long---but have gotten to know some of the Indianapolis talent, especially QB's a bit...opposing coaches REALLY like him.
I saw him play against Pike last season---he got planted with a blind side hit from their D-I DE Middleton...popped his shoulder out---came back and threw for 350 yards in 2nd half...he is a very tough kid. I think DePauw got a really good one...
 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on May 30, 2006, 05:25:07 pm
From what I understand Spud will have some pretty stiff competition for the 1st or 2nd team qb job.  The staff likes a couple of young guys that are already on campus, one of which is from OK, reminds them of weithoff, played wr last year.

they are also very high on the other qb recruits in this class:
Ben Braunsky(sp) - Chicago area
Brad Paus(e)- Chicago area
Tim Rose - Michigan

I'd hate to be the QB coach who has to keep them happy!  But I guess it is a good problem to have.  I'd hate to be in a situation like Sewanee and lose your started to injury and lose early games, with a veteran team.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on May 30, 2006, 06:03:28 pm
I did a quick search and this is what I came up with

Spud
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060324/ZONES04/603240337/1026/ZONES04

Braunsky
http://www.kcchronicle.com/print/295529048528956.php

Paus (the other kid mentioned in the article, mulligan, is also going to DPU)
http://goliath.ecnext.com/comsite5/bin/pdinventory.pl?pdlanding=1&referid=2750&item_id=0199-4637114

Rose-not much said but I know huron is one of the top programs up there
http://www.detnews.com/2005/highschools/0508/29/G07-290461.htm
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: youknowit on June 05, 2006, 06:23:41 pm
Those are their stats from their junior years of high school.  As Seniors, Paus Threw for over 2000 yards and over 20 tds.  Mulligan had 87 catches for I believe over 1000 yards.  Mulligan also had 5 ints on defense and over 100 tackles.  Paus was recruited by Iowa to be a preffered walk on.  Mulligan is one of the most talented kids Ive ever seen.  He was All area for two years, and was voted all state as a senior.  Paus was special mention all state and was named all area.  Mulligan was also POY in the conference on offense.  Mulligans only knock is his speed, he doesn't have blazing speed.  Paus meanwhile is an unbelivable Qb.  His presence in the pocket as a senior in high school was amazing.  Both led their team to the state quarterfinals as seniors.  Depauw got very lucky in landing these two small school kids.   Both have great opportunities to start as freshmen. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HoosierQBScout on June 05, 2006, 07:21:08 pm
good information, youknowit...
sounds as if DePauw got some good kids after all...especially at the skilled positions. Additional info on the Indianapolis kids...If Roesinger from Cathedral is going, as rumored, he also should have a chance to play right away. He was go to WR for Class 4A school that played more of a 5A schedule....quick and athletic. Lawrence Central's Dick was 2nd in the state in passing yardage and completions in Class 5A (large school)... Region 7 All Star and shared first team all-county QB spot with Indiana's Mr. Football, Dexter Taylor. Offered preferred walk-on spot at Northwestern..shall be interesting to see things develop...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on June 05, 2006, 08:05:49 pm
(El Tea Gray---re: DPU Freshmen Starters)        ???

youknowit & HoosierQBScout,
These talented young men won't be playing against high school defenses from now on; as first year players/starters (?) it sure sounds like a lot of fresh meat for the Black Flag's grinder.

Who really knows?          ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HoosierQBScout on June 05, 2006, 08:42:18 pm
etg---
i didn't suggest anyone as a freshman starter...and could not agree more with your take on move from h.s. to college defenses...different ballgame...will be interesting to watch these kids develop...

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 06, 2006, 10:21:25 am
Since it's a quiet time of year, and since I haven't seen this posted anywhere else:  according to the NCAA News (http://www.scac-online.org/football/fbattendance.htm), the SCAC showed the largest average attendance increase of all Division III conferences in 2005.  The 475 fan/game increase placed the SCAC in 14th overall (1,879 per game).  Only in-conference games were taken into consideration.

The American Southwest Conference placed 4th (2,430 per game), virtually unchanged from 2004.  Ironically, the move of Austin from the ASC to the SCAC this year will likely serve to increase average ASC attendance and decrease average SCAC attendance.   The MIAC was tops with 3,081 fans per conference tilt. 

St John's was the #1 school in terms of attendance with nearly 8,000 fans per home game.  Mary Hardin Baylor (12th, 3,704), Louisiana College (15th, 3,454) and Mississippi College (19th, 3,298) were all in the top 20 schools.  No SCAC school placed in the top 20. 

Overall, however, Division III attendance dropped slightly; in 1,135 games, average attendance was 1,840, down 2% from 2004. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on June 06, 2006, 10:27:34 am

If only...IF ONLY Triniity would do what I've been saying for years and hang a huge drape over all the balconies that face EM Stevens stadium, the Tigers could get as many people as St. Johns.  Well, maybe not.  That number for St John's is pretty amazing :o. 

Anyway, they should expand that stadium no doubt, or at least switch the home and visitor sides. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 06, 2006, 12:41:50 pm
I really hope that the move to the SCAC will increase the attendance at AC games.

Perhaps the new environs will generate some interest.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 07, 2006, 02:54:29 pm
DePauw announces three new assistant coaches (http://www.d3football.com/pressreleases.php?release=1080) - Len Felton, Bobby Jackson and Jamie Zorbo.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on June 07, 2006, 04:02:16 pm

If only...IF ONLY Trinity would do what I've been saying for years and hang a huge drape over all the balconies that face EM Stevens stadium, the Tigers could get as many people as St. Johns.  .... Anyway, they should expand that stadium no doubt, or at least switch the home and visitor sides. 

TU2698:
When they build the TigerDome, the dorm balconies will be obstructed by the luxury skyboxes. 

Personally, I'd like to see the PA system improved ... raise the speakers to the lightpoles, install some on the visitors' side, and improve the sound quality.  If I have to hear "Eye of the Tiger" blasting at 150dB one more time, I think I'll scream.  Even better that it's the theme song from Rocky III in 1982 ... about 3 years before this year's seniors were born (see http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=3938.)
(http://www.hy-q.com.au/images/SpeakerSmall_ani.gif)
 ;D
(gets kinda slow in the offseason, doesn't it?)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on June 07, 2006, 04:04:28 pm
bfb;
think some of the music guys could team up with the engineering guys and get that doggone PA system fixed at EM Stevens?  perhaps you have some influence there?
 ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 07, 2006, 04:59:14 pm
I think the amount of complaining I've done over the years about the press box/scoreboard/stadium/field has eliminated any "influence" I might have had.    :D 

In all seriousness, I see at least some of these issues being addressed when the stadium is refurbished after the current capital campaign completes.   Only $85M to go ... get those checks in now.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on June 08, 2006, 10:37:19 am

One word, possibly two:

TigerTron

You know, instead of Jumbotron?

Still, I'm wondering.  Will the councourses be connected to spiral ramps?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on June 08, 2006, 02:12:55 pm
Look for some interesting, yet predictable news today from the SCAC!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 08, 2006, 02:23:12 pm
Look for some interesting, yet predictable news today from the SCAC!
I looked on the SCAC Banner and saw that they had not added the Austin College Kangaroo or the Colorado College Tiger, but still had the RHIT Elephant on the masthead. :-\

So, is it today that BSC is added as a member to the SCAC?  Will the press release mention the addition of football at BSC?

Anything happening at Oglethrope?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on June 08, 2006, 03:16:44 pm
Ralph,
Great post!  Let's just say that mascots are not what to look for. ;)

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on June 08, 2006, 03:22:00 pm
Ralph,
Rose-Hulman is a member of the SCAC until July 1.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 08, 2006, 05:55:52 pm
As expected:

BIRMINGHAM-SOUTHERN BECOMES 12TH MEMBER OF THE SCAC

SUWANEE, Ga. - Birmingham-Southern (Ala.) College was unanimously confirmed as the 12th member of the Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference (SCAC) in a vote of the league's presidents yesterday.

For the complete release, click to:  http://www.scac-online.org

(note:  as of 1655 CDT there was no release posted yet).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 08, 2006, 06:09:00 pm
As expected:

BIRMINGHAM-SOUTHERN BECOMES 12TH MEMBER OF THE SCAC

SUWANEE, Ga. - Birmingham-Southern (Ala.) College was unanimously confirmed as the 12th member of the Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference (SCAC) in a vote of the league's presidents yesterday.

For the complete release, click to:  http://www.scac-online.org



(note:  as of 1655 CDT there was no release posted yet).

Release up by 1702 hours CDT.

Congratulations to BSC and welcome aboard.

Football in 2007-08?  Or did I misinterpret the press release.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 08, 2006, 06:13:16 pm
Ralph,
Rose-Hulman is a member of the SCAC until July 1.

Thanks SCAC-SID and congratulations.

I am happy for BSC, the SCAC and for D3!

The "BSC Case Study" will focus more light on the benefits of the D3 brand of intercollegiate athletics.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on June 08, 2006, 08:18:58 pm
(El Tea Gray---re: Lindy's 2006 Preseason D3 Football Poll)


2006 Lindy's National College Football Preview
D3 Preseason Poll:       #20-----Trinity (TX)
                                     #21-----Mary Hardin-Baylor
These are the only SCAC or ASC teams listed.                 

#1 Mount Union, #2 Whitewater, #3 Rowan and #4 St. John's
What else could be new?

Also, "2006 All-D3 Defense" (2nd Team)-----Dustin Allen-----DL Trinity (TX)
and, "2006 Key Games"-----September 2nd (Week One)-----East Texas Baptist at Trinity (TX).
                                     
                                                       :)

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bubba the Petrel on June 09, 2006, 11:00:33 am
Anything happening at Oglethrope?

In regards to what?  Football?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 09, 2006, 11:10:16 am
Anything happening at Oglethrope?

In regards to what?  Football?

Hello Bubba!  Welcome to the football board!

Are the Petrels going to add football? :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 09, 2006, 11:20:48 am
Look for some interesting, yet predictable news today from the SCAC!

So, is it today that BSC is added as a member to the SCAC?  Will the press release mention the addition of football at BSC?

Anything happening at Oglethrope?

To quote that great and profound American philosopher, Meatloaf,

"Two out of three ain't bad."  ;D :D :D

It's the offseason!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bubba the Petrel on June 09, 2006, 11:23:09 am
Are the Petrels going to add football? :)

I wish OU would restart the football program, but I'm not holding my breath (and if the school is looking into it, they haven't said anything to the alums).  Maybe the addition of BSC to the conference (along with us having an AD that we hired away from a football school) might get something going.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU92 on June 09, 2006, 02:05:48 pm
Im a first time user, LOOOOONG time reader of this board.

I was looking over the DePaw Schedule and saw that they had 4 home games and 6 road games.  I understand why after the travel debacle least year to San Antonio, but is this going to 'reset' next year to be evened out at 5 and 5 or will they have 6 home and 4 away?

Cant wait for the season to start!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on June 09, 2006, 02:20:03 pm

I would be concerned as well if I were a DPU alumnus.  With 6 home games it seems more likely that Depauw can maintain its stranglehold on second place in the conference.   ;D

When you write Depaw, I assume that's a typo...?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU92 on June 09, 2006, 02:31:22 pm
Yea...DePauw...there's a liberal arts education for yah... ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 09, 2006, 03:05:29 pm
The SCAC schedule is likely to be changing quite a bit anyway. I understand the presidents only want to play six games among the nine teams. That's going to be a challenge for the conference office to come up with a solution.

Basically, nobody wants to have to travel to both Trinity and Colorado College in the same year ... which I can understand, but the presidents might have wanted to consider that before admitting CC. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 09, 2006, 04:20:09 pm
The SCAC schedule is likely to be changing quite a bit anyway. I understand the presidents only want to play six games among the nine teams. That's going to be a challenge for the conference office to come up with a solution.

Basically, nobody wants to have to travel to both Trinity and Colorado College in the same year ... which I can understand, but the presidents might have wanted to consider that before admitting CC. :)

Those are going to be some interesting tie breakers.   I bet the coaches won't be all that excited about having to line up four non-conference games each year ... yeah, OK, it's what they do now.  Still. 

And only playing six games between nine teams begs the question why bother to sign up all these FB schools?  Sounds like the SCAC presidents want to have their cake (Pool A bid) and eat it too (only six conference games). 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WLU78 on June 09, 2006, 04:25:03 pm
Tommorrow night at Finley Stadium at UT-C you can see several Sewanee recruits playing in the Georgia vs. Tennessee All Star game.

http://stumponsports.com/home.html

and

http://www.stumponsports.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=19792#post19792

Good luck to all the players!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on June 09, 2006, 05:26:30 pm

Tie breakers, huh?

I just hope that they don't go the way of the Big Ten, who in the case of a co-championship, they send the Rose Bowl the team that has not been there longer.  That means that Trinity would miss out on the automatic tie in for 12 straight years!

Trinity should have their own division of the SCAC and Coach Mohr should decide which teams get to play them.  The rule should state that only an unbeaten team that played and defeated Trinity shall be given a conference championship.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 09, 2006, 05:51:40 pm

Tie breakers, huh?

I just hope that they don't go the way of the Big Ten, who in the case of a co-championship, they send the Rose Bowl the team that has not been there longer.  That means that Trinity would miss out on the automatic tie in for 12 straight years!

Not exactly -- say it worked out that DePauw and Trinity tied for the title under this system in 2009 and Trinity missed the playoffs because of it. In 2010, if DePauw and Trinity go to a tiebreaker, Trinity would win because it had not been to the playoffs since 2008.

Rose Bowl rule is in a lot of conference's tiebreakers for three-way ties. However, in a two-way tie, we'll have, what, a 58% chance of a head-to-head result and since there will be common opponents, that might be of use as well.

I recommend the league look into two options: The one used by the NCAC currently, where a power ranking separates the league into two strata and "ensures" the top teams always play each of the other top teams, or the one formerly used by the MAC, where it was split in two divisions and the winner of a head-to-head in-season crossover game determined the automatic bid.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 09, 2006, 08:37:43 pm
The 6-conference game SCAC schedule works in several ways.

It provides travel-friendly games against independents like Huntingdon and LaGrange for the eastern teams.

It doesn't endanger the Monon Bell game for DePauw.

Trinity and Austin College can then schedule Texas opponents such as Texas Lutheran, East Texas Baptist or even UMHB/HSU.

The non-conference schedule for Colorado College can include games for the opponent-starved west coast teams.

The recent records by Colorado College and Trinity make me think that the Colorado College Tigers are the preferred cat!  You can easily build a schedule in which the team makes one road trip or another.

As an ASC fan, I think that I like the 6-conference game SCAC schedule.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Werner99 on June 12, 2006, 12:41:27 pm
It looks like DPU has filled the openings on their staff:

http://www.depauw.edu/ath/football/index.asp?id=17670

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 12, 2006, 12:47:03 pm
Yep. You can find that release and other recent releases on the front page of D3football.com.

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Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU92 on June 12, 2006, 03:45:46 pm
Are Coach Walker and Hreha sticking around?  It looks like the three new coaches are on the defensive side of the ball.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on June 12, 2006, 04:32:23 pm
Bobby Jackson seems like a helluva hire.  Illinois played some damn tough defense in his years there, and the NCAC Tigers experience with Illinois db coaches bodes well for Depauw, expecially in the Bell given the dearth of wide receivers returning for the Little Giants.

Besides the kid coming in from Cathedral, at wide receiver I believe, how are the other offensive skill positions panning out for Depauw this recruiting season?  Have heard of several Qbs, but what about running backs?

best regards,
Zook McGarigle
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on June 12, 2006, 04:40:55 pm
as far as the skill positions go, they like wr's-bryan mulligan from chicago and chris cadle from indiana.  TE-they are trying to rebuild the position with P.Cartwright (chicago) and nik etzcorn (michigan).  RB-  I have seen Elijah Cambell (indy) on a couple of occasions and I think he will be a good one.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on June 12, 2006, 04:43:53 pm
As far as the new hire's, I don't know much but what I do know is that they lost 2 assistant coaches (full time) in kazmierczak and nystrom and have announced the hiring of 3 coaches jackson, felton, zorbo....so either someone else has departed or been asked to depart or the administration in greencastle added another position.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on June 12, 2006, 05:58:23 pm
Some more digging into Millsaps scheduling of Lincoln University was done by Consultant.  It seems the school is a provisional DIII member and the game and stats will count toward a 10th game for Millsaps, the first time the school has actually had 10 games that count in three or so years it seems.  I am sure this game will be researched more and it could be that the game will not count . . . more to come I am sure.

On another note, according to Millsaps schedule, the team will only play 3 games away this year, another interesting scheduling maneuver.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 12, 2006, 06:13:32 pm
Lincoln (Pa.) is a full D-III member that does not have football.
Lincoln Christian (Ill.) is a first-year provisional D-III member that does not have football.

Those are the only D-III Lincolns.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on June 12, 2006, 06:21:56 pm
Tigerdad,

What school did Elijah Campbell play for in Indy?  I saw the better part of the old CSAC representatives play this year as well as the home opponents for Speedway.  Not big on names of players unless Ive been given some insgiht prior to spectating.  Might be Ive seen him play.

signed,
Enoch and the Royal Stewart minus a yellow windowpane
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 12, 2006, 06:24:57 pm
Mystery solved. ;)

Millsaps is playing D2 Lincoln University of Missouri.

http://www.lincolnu.edu/pages/1080.asp
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HoosierQBScout on June 12, 2006, 06:34:31 pm
MacLeod...
I believe Campbell played for Indianapolis Ritter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on June 12, 2006, 09:10:42 pm
Cardinal Ritter has had some fine running backs over the years...  A few of the names escape, but most remember Shane Thomas.  Big physical runner.  Held the state rushing title, career, single season or both, dont quite remember.

Saw Ritter play either this year or last, forget which year they won the Indiana State 1A title.  Remember the running back, well , glorified fullback to be more precise.  Wondering if this is the same kid, would go about 250 pounds.  Excellent lateral balance and decent ability to get in and out of the blocks, though not so much the downhill runner that would be expected at his size.

Really could be a skill set that was developed or coached as opposed to a deficiency.  Ritter ran a play that was a long held tradition, called Ritter Left Ritter Right...  Essentially they would come out in I backs with or without an offset fullback, unbalanced line and run a counter into the heavy side of the formation.  The changeup was a nearly blind dive against the grain of the counter action of the line.  Required a little wiggle at the line to get free on the changeup then get high and in the saddle, whereas the counter required lateral movement and patience.

signed,
some guy that Pepper Valdez burnt and Art Diaz croney 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HoosierQBScout on June 12, 2006, 09:46:54 pm
don't know much about him...other than he didn't make the all city team...rb's were all underclassmen.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on June 12, 2006, 10:04:39 pm
Hard to make the All-City team when playing for a 1A school.  Not to mention, Ritter playing as a 1A plays nobody lower than 2A during the season and generally 3A or higher.  They always open the season with Northwest, a 5A school that also competes for All City honors. 

That head to head with Northwest often hurts Ritters guys for laurels and such.  Willing to bet one or two of the Northwest running backs made the All-city team as they were very impressive.  Noted more than one Wabash recruiting poster on Northwests premises.

Ritter has to compete against a pool of virtually all 5A IPS schools not to mention the higher classed Cathedrals, Scecinas and Chatards of the world for postseason honors, while cobbling a schedule out of county and further destination foes that dont really have a direct say in city voting.  So discount the not all city sentiment.

Would venture to say the guy from Ritter is not one and the same as the 250 back rambled about earlier, pretty sure that guy made more than one all something or another team.  But leave the analysis at Ritters fine tradition of producing quality running backs.

signed,
Otis Shannon and Derrick Ellis
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HoosierQBScout on June 12, 2006, 10:34:42 pm
actually two other ritter kids (qb and wr, both underclassmen) made the all city team...i don't disagree with your take...but do point out that 5A teams ritter plays are weak (although northwest had a good year)...they play teams like washington and beech grove...i think they may even play heritage christian...at any rate, i've never seen the kid so i don't know...hope he is a good one and has a great career at depauw!   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on June 13, 2006, 04:25:44 pm
My digging obviously turned up inaccurate information about Lincoln.  It certainly appears that Lincoln is D-II.  Thanks to Ralph for being diligent on checking Lincoln's 2006 football schedule.  It has been updated since I last checked.  I was told last week that Lincoln would be classified as a provisional D-III member, but that appears to be incorrect for the time being.  I would prefer a 10th opponent on the D-III level for Millsaps, but as long as Lincoln is not a club team I can't complain too much.



Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 13, 2006, 05:06:47 pm
D2's better than club ... and maybe Millsaps can get Birmingham-Southern instead starting in 2007.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 13, 2006, 05:11:15 pm
Beginning in 2007, Millsaps will have their choice of 8 SCAC opponents plus MissColl and LaCollege in the ASC or Huntingdon and LaGrange.

WashStL would even be a good candidate.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 15, 2006, 11:27:13 am
Beginning in 2007, Millsaps will have their choice of 8 SCAC opponents plus MissColl and LaCollege in the ASC or Huntingdon and LaGrange.

WashStL would even be a good candidate.

OMG I just realized how stupid my last post was.  Wow.  That should disqualify me from ever writing a column for D3football again.

Hey Ralph - want to take on a new challenge?  You know way more about D3 FB in the SW (and elsewhere) than I do!   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 15, 2006, 11:53:38 am
I believe they said B-SC "would be playing SCAC teams" in 2007 but that specifically did not mean a full conference schedule. It's possible Millsaps might not get B-SC right away though obviously they would want to.

Millsaps has been wandering in the scheduling wilderness ever since telling UW-Stout it wasn't coming to Wisconsin to finish the 2002-03 home-and-home.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HoosierQBScout on June 15, 2006, 01:29:23 pm
WORD ON THE STREET IS THAT TIM ROGERS HAS RESIGNED AS HEAD FOOTBALL COACH AT DEPAUW. RUNNING BACKS COACH MATT WALKER WILL BE THE HEAD COACH THIS SEASON.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on June 15, 2006, 02:05:57 pm
no surprise here...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 15, 2006, 02:18:16 pm
WORD ON THE STREET

Which street?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Werner99 on June 15, 2006, 03:59:31 pm
WORD ON THE STREET IS THAT TIM ROGERS HAS RESIGNED AS HEAD FOOTBALL COACH AT DEPAUW. RUNNING BACKS COACH MATT WALKER WILL BE THE HEAD COACH THIS SEASON.

HoosierQBScout,

How could you make that statement on this board and offer no source or reason to back it up?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HoosierQBScout on June 15, 2006, 04:14:42 pm
werner99---
i appreciate your question...people who told me, including a current player, would not want their names to be used.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HoosierQBScout on June 15, 2006, 04:39:53 pm
THE NEWS IS NOW ON THE DEPAUW WEBSITE.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Werner99 on June 15, 2006, 04:50:36 pm
This is unbelievable.  The program deserves so much better than this. 

The DePauw web site offered no statement from Rogers or reason as to why he is no longer there.

I'll reserve any comments (and I'll have plenty at the appropriate time) until this gets sorted out.

A quick note on Matt Walker- he has done a fine job with the baseball team and is a solid guy.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HoosierQBScout on June 15, 2006, 05:03:45 pm
werner99---
i agree with you...depauw has to be up front with folks on what happened here...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU92 on June 15, 2006, 05:04:25 pm
As a DePauw alumnus, I am saddened by yet another coaching change.  It is tough to know if the program can continue to have success with all the coaching changes.  They have done very well the last two years (8-2 and 7-2 I believe) with new coaches each year.  

However, I have played for and coached with Matt Walker and I think he along with Robby Long will do a fantastic job.  I am eager to hear why Rogers left…any thoughts or speculation?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 15, 2006, 05:04:46 pm
Basically the whole coaching staff (except Walker and Long) has now turned over as a result, right?  Ouch ... gotta be a story here.   Wish I knew.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on June 15, 2006, 05:10:35 pm
They have done very well the last two years (8-2 and 7-2 I believe) with new coaches each year.

Depauw has done pretty well following the last two coaching changes. But having a legendary coach retire is forseeable. Lynch's departure may have been a somewhat of surprise but not really.

This is an absolute shock and quite different from the last two changes.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on June 15, 2006, 05:13:16 pm
That is unbelievable about DePauw.  From all indications, Walker does seem like a class act.  Best of luck to the Tigers.  Despite PR efforts claiming that naming Walker as head coach will make a smooth transition, the fact is that the football team is going to have to make a transition in the summer.  We'll see what happens.

Pat, regarding Millsaps' scheduling woes, the "wandering in the scheduling wilderness" was only INTENSIFIED when the school told UW-Stout it wasn't coming to Wisconsin to finish the 2002-03 home-and-home.  The wandering started in 2001 when Millsaps scheduled the club team.....University of South Alabama.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU92 on June 15, 2006, 05:17:18 pm
Lil Giant - Ill give you that. Coach Nick announced he was leaving at the beginning of a season and most people knew that Lynch was not going to stick for that long.  Rogers leaving is a huge surprise and a summer transition is going to be...well...a challenge to say the least.  I think one thing on there side is the fact that Coach Walker is an in house hire and has been there for about 10 years playing and coaching.  Regardless...this is still a shock.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on June 15, 2006, 05:22:32 pm

That's twice today that DePauw people have made improper use of there/their. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU92 on June 15, 2006, 05:27:29 pm
Not pertinent to the conversation and a waste of your time.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Werner99 on June 15, 2006, 05:28:13 pm
The bottom line is this:

No one is going to give DPU an extra 7 points out of pity.

The senior class now has an opportunity to take charge, show some moxy, and lead the team.  

In fact, the seniors have a chance to show the type of leadership the rest of the University lacks.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on June 15, 2006, 05:32:27 pm
Werner99, i wouldn't put this on the university quite yet...btw, have you ever met Rogers...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on June 16, 2006, 10:01:44 am
No way Walker can coach both for more than a year. So will it be 5 in 5 years?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU92 on June 16, 2006, 10:47:35 am
After reading Rogers comments in the D3football acticle, I think part of the problem MIGHT have been in the hiring process of new coaches.  This is just my guess and I have no idea how it works at other schools at any level, but at DePauw the adminstration makes some or most of the decision in regards to who it hires even with assistant coaches which could put a strain between the head coach and the university.  Is is possible that Rogers was not happy with the new coaches the University was bringing in?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on June 16, 2006, 11:09:52 am
obviously he wasn't happy with the old coaches  ;) ...that process could and should have been ironed out before he took the job...if it wasn't , shame on both parties...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 16, 2006, 03:36:38 pm
What an eventful off-season we've had in the SCAC ...


Who woulda thunkit??
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on June 16, 2006, 03:44:38 pm
There's a nice piece on former Trinity RB Jerrold Jones in this season's issue of Dave Campbell's Texas Football magazine, which is now on newsstands, if anyone is interested.

JJ appears to be quite a talented artist, and I wouldn't mind having the Vince Young print he's holding in the piece.

Congrats to JJ and Trinity for his appearance in the article.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on June 16, 2006, 04:10:38 pm
What is Dave Campbell's up to this year? $24.95?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on June 16, 2006, 04:18:47 pm
Something like $2,499,000 in Turkish Lire.   8)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on June 16, 2006, 04:20:36 pm
I don't remember what it was last year but it's gone up a lot in the last few years. Of course, it has the price elasticity of heroin.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on June 16, 2006, 04:21:33 pm
I think it was $9.99, to be honest.  Don't exactly remember, though.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on June 16, 2006, 06:42:47 pm
Hey Team,

I'd be remissed if I didn't throw a comment in the hat here.  While I haven't been around the situation (I'm now graduated and actually doing work for a living... so former_dpu_radio_guy i guess).. I'm not really surprised that this is hush-hush. 

I covered DPU athletics for WGRE for 4 years, and was part the football program as a student coach for a year as well.  The administration won't give you any details on anything.  This isn't anybody's fault in Athletics, PR, Sports Info, or anyone else except the people at the top.  It's the same way with anything that happens at that University.  It isn't just athletics.  This adminstration about as close to the vest as it gets.

I'm not speaking on behalf of WGRE or DPU athletics, but that administration won't tell you a thing.  I know it's frustrating.. it was always very frustrating for me as well trying to get facts out of the suits on anything and everything. 

I'm not sure how it is at Trinity or Millsaps or any of these other conference schools, but this is typical stuff from these people.

As somebody who isn't affiliated with DPU anymore, I'll tell you that Coach Walker is a stand up guy who will take the program in the right direction as long as he is at the head.  Having Coach Long along side won't hurt, either.  Those guys know the drill and will insure the program is in good hands.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on June 16, 2006, 07:20:15 pm
There's a nice piece on former Trinity RB Jerrold Jones in this season's issue of Dave Campbell's Texas Football magazine, which is now on newsstands, if anyone is interested.

JJ appears to be quite a talented artist, and I wouldn't mind having the Vince Young print he's holding in the piece.

Congrats to JJ and Trinity for his appearance in the article.

Indeed ... congratulations to JJ and Trinity ... what a fine young man and a nice extra feature to this year's issue of DCTF. 

What is Dave Campbell's up to this year? $24.95?

For the record, the magazine's cover price is $9.95 (cheap in my book) and it's available now at area stores, including WalMart.  It's hard to find in these parts, so I ordered mine on-line at http://www.TexasFootball.com.  I bought the Longhorns National Championship commemorative package deal ... $35 for the magazine, a UT feature magazine, and the DVD.  A sweet deal and it was in my mailbox 3 days later.

For those out of state or not able to get their copy, here's a scan of the feature from page 17 of DCTF 2006:

(http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/1068/dctf06jerroldjones1hb.th.jpg) (http://img228.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dctf06jerroldjones1hb.jpg)
(click image above to enlarge)
Once the 2005 Trinity University football season ended, Jerrold Jones thought his sports career was over. The all-conference running back had seen his share of publicity for his work on the field -- including a 5A Division II state title at Katy in 2000 -- but he never thought his work off of the gridiron would bring any attention at all. But a few artistic creations later -- including the above drawing of former Texas quarterback Vince Young -- and Jones is thinking his sports-related career is just beginning.

"The dream would be to become the artist sports lovers seek out for a memorable piece," Jones said.

While that dream has yet to be realized, he has already sold several of his first works.

"If anyone is looking for something to be created, I'm ready and willing," Jones said.


(c) Dave Campbell's 2006 Texas Football Magazine, Host Communications, Carrollton, TX


Way to go, JJ!   (http://www.1atexasfootball.com/images/wav.gif)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on June 17, 2006, 07:07:36 pm
(El Tea Gray---re: Street & Smith's 2006 D3 Preseason Football Poll)


Street & Smith's 2006 College Football Yearbook
D3 Preseason Poll
                             #16--Trinity (TX)
                             #13--Hardin-Simmons
                             #  8--Mary Hardin-Baylor

#1 Mount Union, #2 Rowan, #3 Whitewater.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 17, 2006, 08:48:23 pm
Wow. What does Whitewater have to do to be No. 2?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 18, 2006, 11:48:08 am
I hear that rodgers was fired for refusing to hire a minority.

Windy City Warrior,

Please substantiate that rumor.

The hyperlink or the pdf file for the confirmation will be sufficient.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on June 18, 2006, 12:59:38 pm
Windy City Warrior, long time listener, first time caller ?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HoosierQBScout on June 18, 2006, 09:01:12 pm
the minority hire comment makes no sense at all...
any credible comments regarding the long term nature of the hire/ does it sound as though walker is the guy---long term????

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on June 19, 2006, 04:42:40 pm
i read it as a long term commitment...hope Coach Walker has a good agent  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 20, 2006, 08:38:58 am
Question with Walker is simple:  is it reasonable to ask one man to be the head coach for both baseball and football on a long-term basis?   I would not be surprised to see them look for another baseball coach if Walker works out.   

Meanwhile, Birmingham-Southern has announced its new head football coach, Joey Jones; see Notables (http://www.d3football.com/notables.php).  The Birmingham News (http://www.al.com/sports/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/sports/1150795081293730.xml&coll=2) also has a story ... the school will be spending between $2 and $3 million on facilities, including stadium/field, track, locker rooms, and coaches' offices. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 20, 2006, 09:46:11 am
Ron, thanks for the BSC article.

I think that the new BSC coach needs to realize that he will not be fired for losing at BSC.  He will get fired for not having a program of character, with athletes of character.

It must be exicting at BSC to see this thing building.  With the track, that means that they may add at least 3 sports, and I will bet they add Swimming and Diving as well.  (That is five new sports.)  They have an aquatics facility on campus.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on June 20, 2006, 10:06:59 am
Wow. What does Whitewater have to do to be No. 2?

Change their name to Rowan or St. John's.  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on June 20, 2006, 11:07:27 am
Does anyone remember BSC coach Joey Jones?

Little and fast, he was one helluva receiver for the Brimingham Stallions of the USFL.  As a kid, he was one of my favorite players in the league.  He also played at BAMA

Good for him.  With DuBose at Millsaps, the Tide looks like they're taking over.   I predict Gene Stallings as the next coach at Huntingdon should Mike Turk ever move on. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on June 20, 2006, 08:06:42 pm
NEWS FLASH: Depauw screens their email...coaches beware of what you send...word to the wise  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: benbraddock on June 20, 2006, 08:43:52 pm
what exactly are you implying scotty?  did you find something out that we don't know?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gil68 on June 21, 2006, 11:20:24 am
I know I'm a little late coming into the discussion, but I am disappointed to see the coaching turnover at DePauw.  I guess this is what comes when you have Coach Nick at the helm for 20 plus years and then have a new head coach every year since.  I do wish Coach Walker the best of luck this year (in both football and baseball).  Werner99 and I played with him, and he is a stand up guy.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU92 on June 21, 2006, 12:59:01 pm
Amen to that!  In a situation like this, Walker is a great solution to this problem.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on June 21, 2006, 01:16:38 pm
Just saw this blurb on the Sports Illustrated page of the CNN website:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/scorecard/06/21/truth.rumors.nfl/index.html?cnn=yes

The Saints will have a press conference in Jackson, Miss., on Thursday morning to announce that they will hold training camp at Millsaps College, according to a team source. -- New Orleans Times-Picayune
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on June 21, 2006, 04:56:57 pm
It's the truth.  The Saints are expected to officially announce tomorrow that they will train at Millsaps this summer.  This is not new news, as Millsaps and the Saints have been working out details of the arrangement for well over a month.

The Saints will still be in town when Millsaps football players report for pre-season drills.   While there will be some minor inconveniences with the overlap (read men's and women's soccer will also be on campus early) Millsaps could not afford to let this opportunity slip by.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on June 21, 2006, 07:20:36 pm
(El Tea Gray--re: Saints Training Camp at Millsaps)

Saints training at Millsaps "sounds good"; maybe Millsaps' officials should check with other schools as to how some NFL Teams have treated their campus/residence halls. I'm sure some have behaved very well, but others (old Houston Oilers at Trinity) "forget about it"! 

                                                       :o
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on June 22, 2006, 10:13:16 am

I was told that Trinity got a dorm out of the deal with the oilers, plus they donated a lot of weights.  I wasn't aware of any problems they caused.  To what are you referring?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU92 on June 22, 2006, 01:25:48 pm
Rose Hulman also got a FANTASTIC field, practice fields and indoor field house when the Colts were in town.  I am not sure if the Colts paid for it all or if they helped out, but regardless they got some great stuff.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on June 22, 2006, 04:41:41 pm
The New Orleans Saints and Millsaps College have agreed on a four-year deal that will enable the National Football League team to hold training camp at the school.

Here's a link to the Millsaps' release about the Saints (with pictures):

http://www.millsaps.edu/news_events/releases/June/saints.shtml

Here's a link to the Saints' release (with picture):

http://www.neworleanssaints.com/newsroomarticle.cfm?articleid=2572
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on June 22, 2006, 06:34:41 pm
TU2698,
If Trinity got a dorm out of hosting the Oilers (I doubt it, but I hope they did), then it was to make-up for the treatment of other campus dorms and property. They may have left some weights and other strength equipment, but the attitude to the summer campus staff   ::)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on June 22, 2006, 06:38:00 pm
Where are they going to stay?  Cabot Lodge???  Oops, maybe I should read the releases...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on June 22, 2006, 07:19:19 pm
The Saints will stay in the dorms on campus. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on June 23, 2006, 05:37:21 pm
Where are they going to stay?  Cabot Lodge???  Oops, maybe I should read the releases...

Aw cmon now... that Cabot Lodge is sweet, dude. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on June 24, 2006, 09:33:05 am
You're right....  that's the best road motel/hotel in the SCAC...  The great room in the lodge can accommodate an entire football team and fans...  and the happy hour is great....  walking distance to Millsaps baseball and football... literally right on the campus...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HoosierQBScout on June 25, 2006, 09:58:40 pm
what has been the fallout (if any) of depauw recurits to the coaching change?? maybe reaction would be a better term...and wondering about what's next..

 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 26, 2006, 09:30:12 am
As late as this happened, I would be surprised if there is any significant change in the football roster.  You don't go to a school like DePauw primarily to play football, you go to get a quality education.  It would be difficult to get accepted into similar schools this late in the game. 

IMO where this could cause problems would be next year.   Other coaches could say things like "do you want to go someplace where they burned through four coaches in four years," etc.   That said, I've been very impressed at how well the team has performed through all these changes and it speaks to the kinds of kids being recruited and their primary reasons for going there. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on June 28, 2006, 07:44:50 pm
(El Tea Gray---re: USA Today Sports Weekly 2006 College Football Preview)

USA Today Sports Weekly
College Football Preview
2006 D3 Preseason Poll
                                       #23---Trinity (TX)
                                       #18---Hardin-Simmons
                                       #  8---Mary Hardin-Baylor

#1-Mount Union, #2-Whitewater, #3-Rowan, #4-St. John's

                                                     :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on July 06, 2006, 03:16:22 pm
(El Tea Gray---re: Trinity (TX) 2006 Football Season Preview)


The Trinity Tiger's 2006 Season Preview is currently posted on their Athletics (Football) website.

                                                            :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HoosierQBScout on July 10, 2006, 07:26:19 pm
DePauw has hired former Butler Head Coach Kit Catwright as offensive coordinator and offensive line coach..

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on July 10, 2006, 07:31:46 pm
will he be installing that potent, high octane Butler offense or staying with the Depauw scheme...btw, the new head coach is still playing baseball per the NCAC forum...what is going on...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HoosierQBScout on July 10, 2006, 07:40:44 pm
will be interesting to see...i would not hold the butler situation against him...a no win situation with no athletes...knowing kit personally, he is a great guy with a very good offensive mind...and some great experience having coached at a number of D 1 stops (Michigan, Purdue, IU among them)...we'll see...

 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on July 10, 2006, 08:32:32 pm
good guy, nice man...yes we will...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on July 11, 2006, 12:03:43 am
Scotty-  Just to provide facts to the discussion, I will say that Matt Walker called my house to speak with my son (a sophmore) the night the change happened.  He told him that he was calling every incoming kid that night, and since then he has emailed the team on several occasions.  The uppercalssmen are also calling the incoming kids and each other, I think they are all rallying around this whole thing.

As far as what Matt Walker does in his free time, as with all coaches/professionals is his business until it causes a problem.  I'm sure there are plenty of coaches who go home and drink a 12 pack of beer every night, but until they get a d.w.i its really none of our business. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on July 11, 2006, 04:41:13 am
For those of you who might have missed the posting over in the ASC topic, here's a NY Times article with some nice things to say about the advantages of football programs at D3 schools, notably UMHB and others:

Small Colleges, Short of Men, Embrace Football
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/10/education/10football.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all

Not sure about the dorky "frat boys" vs. football fighting testimonial, but otherwise a nice tribute to D3 athletes and the D3 level!

 ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on July 11, 2006, 09:11:08 am
tigerdadplm, i was "misinformed" then by 1 current Depauw player and 1 future Depauw player...my bad...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU92 on July 11, 2006, 02:00:36 pm
This is a pointless topic and has little to do with the upcoming season...next topic please....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: benbraddock on July 11, 2006, 02:22:25 pm
thank you big 92
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Werner99 on July 11, 2006, 09:01:48 pm
Given the circumstances, I think the Cartwright hire at DPU is a good one.  The DPU staff consists of mostly young coaches and has no one else with a single year of college head football coaching experience. 

Cartwright brings both head coaching experience as well as nearly 20 years of college coaching experience at Big 10 and MAC schools.  I don't know if there is anyone else available this time of year with this type of resume.

How much does his lack of success at Butler reflect upon his coaching skills?  There is not a blueprint background for guaranteed success in coaching. Belichick was fired by Cleveland before winning multiple Super Bowls with New England.  I'm not implying Cartwright will turn it around like Belichick, but just illustrating the point that he could add some value to the DPU staff this year despite not doing well at Butler.

Bottom line is the DPU staff could use someone like this and to be able to hire him at this time of year is good for the program.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 18, 2006, 11:58:14 am
Congrats to Trinity's Dustin Allen, the sole SCAC representative on the 2006 D3football.com pre-season All-America team (http://www.d3football.com/tow/06/preallamericans.htm). 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 22, 2006, 05:45:55 pm
Mystery solved. ;)

Millsaps is playing D2 Lincoln University of Missouri.

http://www.lincolnu.edu/pages/1080.asp

I don't think that we have covered this schedule change.

Millsaps is now playing cross-town NAIA rival Belhaven on September 23rd.

IMHO, I think that Millsaps has an outstanding schedule this year.  The Belhaven game is easy on the budget and travel time, and it should be good for the community of Jackson, MS.  The Majors will have the 6 SCAC games, plus 2 ASC opponents (Miss Coll and LaCollege), Huntingdon and the Belhaven game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 22, 2006, 06:41:37 pm
Mystery solved. ;)

Millsaps is playing D2 Lincoln University of Missouri.

http://www.lincolnu.edu/pages/1080.asp

I don't think that we have covered this schedule change.

Millsaps is now playing cross-town NAIA rival Belhaven on September 23rd.

IMHO, I think that Millsaps has an outstanding schedule this year.  The Belhaven game is easy on the budget and travel time, and it should be good for the community of Jackson, MS.  The Majors will have the 6 SCAC games, plus 2 ASC opponents (Miss Coll and LaCollege), Huntingdon and the Belhaven game.

Actually, the Millsaps schedule seems to be up in the air.  I was assuming that the D3football schedule that was submitted for Millsaps was correct.

Millsaps web site (http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/schedule.shtml) says Sept 23rd is an open date and they are playing D2 Lincoln MO on September 30th.

The Belhaven site  (http://blazers.belhaven.edu/football/schedule.htm) says it is playing a Mid-South Football Conference game vs. Georgetown KY.

The Georgetown KY site (http://www.georgetowncollegeathletics.com/Teams/Football/) agrees with Belhaven.

The Lincoln MO site (http://www.lincolnu.edu/pages/1080.asp) still has the Sept 30th game vs. Millsaps.

It looks like that Millsaps may not be playing Belhaven this year. :-\
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on July 23, 2006, 06:52:28 pm
Ralph,
That was my fault. A schedule that Millsaps had posted earlier in the summer had them playing Belhaven on that date. That was the schedule I submitted to D3scoreboard. It is fixed now - until something else changes that is. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 23, 2006, 07:38:57 pm
Thanks scacsid,  I was reviewing a list of the games sent to me by Lazindex showing the games between D3 and NAIA and D2's, etc. when I came upon this.

Thanks for clarifying this.

Scacsid, you must be excited to have AC and Colorado College on board! :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on July 24, 2006, 09:13:24 am
Ralph,
Very much so...although, as a one man shop here at the new and improved 12-member SCAC, it may be time to put a "Help Wanted" sign in the window.
 :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on July 25, 2006, 03:23:19 pm
I'm picking Centre in an upset the week before against Trinity, so the DPU vs. Centre game becomes very important regardless of what the DPU/Trinity outcome is.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on July 26, 2006, 03:36:00 pm
(El Tea Gray--re: 2006 SCAC "Football" Championship)


tigerdadplm,

2006 SCAC Championship----DePauw at Centre---10/28      ???

Are you aware that there is now a separate "Soccer Board" available for your posting?

                                                   :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tutiger on July 27, 2006, 09:21:11 am
ETG,

I think the scenario you just implied (DePauw and Centre battling for either soccer conference championship) is even less likely than DePauw and Centre playing for the football championship.  And let's not be too cocky and forget 2000. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 27, 2006, 12:39:40 pm
And let's not be too cocky and forget 2000. 

Or 2003 (Rhodes 23, Trinity 20, OT); or 1996 (Millsaps 13, Trinity 10), or 1995 (Centre 17, Trinity 7). 

Trinity has won/tied 13 straight SCAC championships but had help along the way to do so.  This year is going to be a real challenge if the new OL can't come together early.  ETBU is going to be a markedly tougher opener than seasons past. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: legend on July 27, 2006, 03:02:41 pm
Great to see the Saints arrive at Millsaps today.  Hopefully, Reggie will be in Jackson soon because I would really hate for him to become the next Tom Benson. I have not made it by campus yet, but I hear they have made some nice improvements.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on July 27, 2006, 05:01:35 pm
Winning 13 straight conference titles is an incredible feat and probably did take some luck or help.  However, Trinity is a quality program and I will pick them to win their conference until someone else can replace them.  I think the ETBU game should be very interesting.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: chkeki on July 28, 2006, 03:01:11 pm
Agree that there is some luck in winning 13 conf titles.  However, most were outright titles, not co-champion titles.  Pretty impressive.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on July 28, 2006, 03:26:42 pm
I'm guessing that Trinity is like Texas (small) high school football ... every year, some good players graduate and everyone thinks, "Man, I don't know about next year ... those younger guys will really have to step up."  And, every year, they do.

One thing's for sure ... it doesn't help your team to schedule weak opponents in the pre-conference season.  To be the best, you've gotta play against some tough teams, take your lumps, and learn the lessons in gametime.  I'm very impressed that TU will face three tough games in early September.  By the time DPU comes to San Antonio, we should know what this year's Black Flag and Big O can do.  The O needs to control the clock better and also put up more points in the early season this year ... the D will take care of their business.

This year's TU Tigers may not be undefeated at the end, but I'm predicting that they will do very well again in 2006.  I'll be there to see for myself.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on July 28, 2006, 09:46:37 pm
chkeki,  Trinity is the real deal.  13 straight is very impressive.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on July 31, 2006, 12:02:52 pm
The Tigers can control the clock all they want.  What they need is some scoring power.  It seems like they've had big, athletic receivers since the Stagg Bowl year, but the only one that ever was consistent was Kelner and he wasn't big.  When you talk about Brailsford, Hicks, Byars- all those guys have great size and look(ed) really good when they have the ball in their hands, but none of them seem to be an every game threat to score.  They're all good for one to three huge plays per every two or three game. 

It doesn't help things when the QB isn't a threat to use the whole field.  I almost never see Jacob throwing or even looking into the middle of the field.  Everything is deep outside, scramble, or shovel.  I don't know if it was the line's doing or if defenses were able to commit more guys to run defense due to the reduced passing game, but they had a really down year running the football and especially in a short field.

I remember some serious ball control in the first half of the Huntingdon game that resulted in two field goals.  Had they gotten touchdowns in that first half, it may not have been such a tough game because they seemed to be playing well.  I also remember them getting into the red zone 4 times in the second half against UMHB and not one score!  All else being the same, they really need to start scoring touchdowns again.  Hopefully, Mr. Cannon learned a lot last year and they'll be able to do more.  Hopefully, Chris Baer works out well.  Hopefully, a receiver steps up.  Defense and special teams need to keep up the good work. 

I'm fearing that a full circle has developed.  If anyone remembers the first playoff year(1994), the Tigers didn't allow many points but struggled to score against everyone but Principia.  10-0 yes, but not a threat in the playoffs.  W&J made short work of them.  It was great for an upstart, but Trinity needs some playoff wins. 

Mmmmm.  I'm worried about ETBU, not so much about the SCAC. 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on July 31, 2006, 07:43:33 pm
Legend and others,

I was home this past week and spent Friday at Millsaps to get an up-close look at the Saints' camp.  The Saints brass are "very pleased" with the arrangement.  The campus was beautiful, and the athletic facilities were in top shape.  Over 140 media credentials have been issued.  Now that Reggie Bush has signed, Jackson and Millsaps will be a media circus. 

Over 5,000 fans battled the heat and humidity over the weekend to watch the Saints practice at Millsaps.  Admission is free, although parking on campus costs $5.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on August 01, 2006, 11:46:19 am
Check out link to some interesting history on college football in the state of Tennessee.

http://tennesseeencyclopedia.net/imagegallery.php?EntryID=F026
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kracken on August 01, 2006, 01:54:33 pm
Over the weekend, I heard from a reliable source that Coach Walker is doing an "excellent" job in preparation for this upcoming season. These are great words of encouragement, especially given the circumstances as of late at DPU. Go Tigers!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on August 02, 2006, 07:06:18 pm
(El Tea Gray---re: Jake at 6-1 vs. Blake at 6-3)


TU2698,
You are correct regarding Jake not using all of the field; IMHO at 6-1 he just does not see downfield as well as Blake at 6-3.  This may be as simple as "the physics of the issue"?  The practices on schedule for later this month should be somehow structured to "flesh this problem out".

                                                               :)

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HoosierQBScout on August 02, 2006, 08:31:13 pm
Consultant...
Good for Millsaps...looks great for the school (and the conference) every time ESPN does a hit from there...and the facilities and campus do look good.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 03, 2006, 01:35:07 pm
I would have posted this in the SCAC soccer board except for the fact that the soccer admin saw fit to delete the boards I'd created there.  The FB team should be able to take advantage of the new weight room, tho... 

http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/06soccer-wtroom.htm

SAN ANTONIO – Trinity University Director of Athletics Bob King has announced improvements to the school’s soccer field and weight room.

The soccer field, dedicated in 1990, will be extended by eight yards, making it 120 yards long. The width will be expanded to 76 yards, from 66. The dimensions will meet all NCAA specifications. New 70-foot lighting poles will be installed, bringing the field to television broadcast quality standards. Plans are under way to build a press box structure on the south end of the field.

The field is home to the Tiger men’s and women’s soccer teams. Trinity’s men captured the NCAA Division III national championship in 2003. The Tiger women advanced to the NCAA Final Four in 2000 and 2002.

The 3,400-square-foot Stumberg Fitness Center, located on the first floor of the Bell Athletic Center, will undergo a 100 percent replacement of current equipment. There will be an increase of power lifting equipment and six “combo racks” will be installed. A combination of exercises and weight training will now be available on a single apparatus. Fixed-weight barbells will be added, supplementing the use of removable dumbbells.


Ironic that they are adding a press box to the soccer field before fixing the one at EM Stevens ... but I fully expect an announcement regarding improvements to the football facilities after the end of the season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 03, 2006, 01:42:47 pm
...
Ironic that they are adding a press box to the soccer field before fixing the one at EM Stevens ... but I fully expect an announcement regarding improvements to the football facilities after the end of the season.

 :D :D ;)
Doesn't seem ironic to me.  Trinity Soccer teams are better than their American football teams!  ;D :) :D :) ;) 8)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on August 03, 2006, 03:40:25 pm

I guess it's important to have tv broadcast quality lighting on a freaking d3 soccer field! 

Maybe the the lights are due for being changed out, but that sounds like an enormous cost.  However, if there are more improvements to come, good for Trinity for not skimping on the cost. 

I sure hope that this wasn't it for that announcement last year about improvements to the athletic facilities.  Bonzo, if you say it isn't, I'm sure you're probably right, but a lot of guys that were my teammates are convinced that the administration doesn't care about the football program.  I never believed such accusations, but this makes it more plausible.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 03, 2006, 04:21:49 pm
The SCAC men's soccer board is in the Central Region. Your post was moved there.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 03, 2006, 04:45:45 pm

I guess it's important to have tv broadcast quality lighting on a freaking d3 soccer field! 

Maybe the the lights are due for being changed out, but that sounds like an enormous cost.  However, if there are more improvements to come, good for Trinity for not skimping on the cost. 

I sure hope that this wasn't it for that announcement last year about improvements to the athletic facilities.  Bonzo, if you say it isn't, I'm sure you're probably right, but a lot of guys that were my teammates are convinced that the administration doesn't care about the football program.  I never believed such accusations, but this makes it more plausible.   

The soccer field dimension issue(s) kept the team from hosting playoff games, and perhaps the lighting was also sub-standard.  It will be nice for the teams to be able to host a playoff game on-campus instead of either having to have the game at Blossom or having to go on the road when Blossom's not available.

Re the money - there were $5M allocated in the current capital campaign and I don't see this consuming even 20% of that amount.

Re support - well, y'all have been there, but wouldn't you agree that the FB program is going to be the biggest beneficiary of the new weight room?  My take as an outsider is that the school keeps ratcheting up admissions standards, making it that much harder to find impact players.   Bob King is, in my mind, one of the outstanding D3 AD's in the country, and you would think that Coach Mohr could write his ticket to any number of D3 programs.   If they weren't getting the support they think they should, I doubt both would have been there for as long as they have. 

Re the SCAC soccer board being in the Central .... damn, I hate it when Pat serves up cheese to go with my whine!!  :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on August 04, 2006, 09:53:37 am
Pre-season polls - Trinity just misses the Top 25, and no other SCAC teams with votes.

Where's the love?

Trinity not cracking the Top 25 caught me by surprise.  I don't expect that trend to continue.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 04, 2006, 10:12:12 am
Been a number of years since Trinity has won a first-round playoff game despite usually having homefield advantage.   That combined with this year's questions on offense (lots of graduation losses) probably accounts for the lack of respect.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on August 04, 2006, 10:16:46 am
I suppose that the school is run well enough that we can assume people are making good decisions for the right reasons and that they have more information on the issue than we do.  However, if there's one thing that is just plain wrong on that campus, I have to contend that it is the football stadium.  I wonder if that new canal at the front of campus somehow attracts more students than an attractive football stadium would.

Bonzo, do you have any information about what the school gained from the facelift?  I think it's great, but what exactly is the reason for that tributary?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 04, 2006, 11:50:54 am
I haven't been by campus since last FB season, but campus improvements are funny things.  Sometimes schools get bequests which say "you can only use the money for XYZ" and it's up to the leadership to implement the deceased's wishes given limited information/flexibility.  The Bell Center came about because the Bells wanted to see Trinity have a first-class indoor athletic facility.  Trust me - if you think EM Stevens is sad, you should have seen what it was like when the indoor athletics were all in what was then the Sams Center.  And who knows - maybe the soccer/weight room improvements are NOT part of the new capital campaign.  As there was nothing mentioned in the release about the "Campaign for Trinity University" someone could have made another donation or bequest.  As to whether the "canal" will help ... maybe they are looking for someplace new to throw students on their birthdays?   :D

I believe the administration "gets it" about improvements to Stevens.  I've been told that turf is in the plans once the Campaign concludes and believe there will be some improvements made to the stadium at the same time.   You're not going to get a 10,000 seat stadium or anything close to that but the limited home seating should be somewhat improved.  They are constrained by the location of the parking lot right next to the stands .... said parking lot didn't exist in the pre-D3 days but was added when the newer dorms were added to the lower campus. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 08, 2006, 10:54:26 am
According to a headline story on another web site (http://www.d3kicks.com), the total cost of the Trinity soccer/weight room improvements is $652K;  $500K for the soccer field and $152K for the weight room.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on August 11, 2006, 10:45:33 pm
The 2006 edition of the Trinity Tigers reported to San Antonio today ... 115 strong with 49 first-years according to Head Coach Steve Mohr.  The men looked bigger and stronger than last August ... gonna be a great season, Tiger fans!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on August 12, 2006, 01:44:13 pm
(El Tea Gray---re: 2006 Trinity Tiger players reporting?)


TigerDad,

Do the Tigers have any "transfer players" reporting for these workouts? Earlier this summer I heard that there could be some. If so, who are they and from where do they come?

                                :)         ???           :)

                                                         

 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on August 14, 2006, 12:37:43 pm
This isn't SCAC football but I have photos from the N.O. Saints training camp at Millsaps.  A collection of the photos will eventually get on the Millsaps sports photo website but for the moment they are under "Sports Related Photo Albums" at this site:  http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a38/F_L_E/

As for Millsaps, I think the players reported over the weekend so there will be a stretch here of Millsaps and the Saints splitting time on the practice fields (they have 3 practice fields and the school stadium).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on August 15, 2006, 09:51:28 am

Pat,

If you're out there, I wanted to thank you for the email you sent me with the links to the internet porn sites.  It looks as though someone has assumed your identity.  I was so excited that I accidentally deleted the message before looking at the links.  Should I assume that there are others that received similar info, or am I special?

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 15, 2006, 10:48:59 am
This appeared in the PM section this AM:

News: About personal messages: After last night's spam attempt by a newbie, junior varsity members are now prohibited from sending personal messages. They can still receive them.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU92 on August 15, 2006, 02:23:10 pm
I hate it when one person ruins it for others....guess I will have to post more.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 15, 2006, 03:24:08 pm

Pat,

If you're out there, I wanted to thank you for the email you sent me with the links to the internet porn sites.  It looks as though someone has assumed your identity.  I was so excited that I accidentally deleted the message before looking at the links.  Should I assume that there are others that received similar info, or am I special?



I don't know what was so unclear about a message line that specifically reads WHO THE SENDER IS.

The notification that there was a private message comes from the server. The MESSAGE ITSELF comes from the sender. Read, please!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on August 15, 2006, 03:41:06 pm
Pat, why don't you ever send ME internet porn?   ;) ;D 8)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on August 15, 2006, 04:53:40 pm
Pat, why don't you ever send ME internet porn?   ;) ;D 8)

Seriously Pat... I didn't get any either.  ::)  :D

But that's a good thing... I probably would have assumed it was a stalker... and then it would have been the third strike and the end of me on posting up / post patterns.  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on August 15, 2006, 06:02:29 pm

Relax, Pat.  I know it wasn't you, which is why I said someone assumed your identity.  If you explained to me how it happened I probably wouldn't understand it anyway.  Don't worry as I know it wasn't your fault. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on August 15, 2006, 06:26:32 pm
A little late but this article was in the Sherman Democrat on August 4th:

Gage adds assistants to AC football staff

Austin College has announced four new additions to new head coach Ronnie Gage’s football coaching staff this fall.

Bill Pietrosky, Eddie Brister, Chris Johnson and Scott Dunavant will join returning defensive coordinator Loren Dawson in rounding out Gage’s staff.

Pietrosky has been hired as the Kangaroos’ offensive coordinator after filling that same role on Gage’s coaching staff at Lewisville High School from 1986-95 and again from 1996-2002. Together, Pietrosky and Gage won two Texas Class 5A championships with Lewisville.

Brister will take over the role of special teams coordinator. Brister, a 1972 AC graduate and a member of the ’Roos’ football team, served as head coach at Texas A&M-Commerce from 1998-2004.

Brister began his coaching career as an assistant at Howe in 1972, and also was Sherman’s offensive coordinator for two seasons.

Johnson comes to AC from Kansas State, where he most recently worked as a defensive graduate assistant. Johnson was a standout defensive lineman for the Wildcats and spent time with the NFL’s Chicago Bears and the Orlando Predators of the Arena Football League. Johnson will serve as defensive line coach for the ’Roos.

Dunavant, a 2006 North Texas graduate, joins the staff as wide receivers coach.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 15, 2006, 10:43:32 pm
I appreciate that, but since fewer than 8% of the posters were spammed, most don't know what you're talking about, and I have to keep the record straight.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on August 16, 2006, 02:13:56 pm
There does not seem to be a lot of news coming out of Jackson right now about the Majors.  I am not sure about how the freshmen class looks at this point, but here is a preview about 2006 I found on the school website:

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/pressreleases/06fballpreview.shtml
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on August 16, 2006, 02:49:00 pm
(Also posted on ASC thread)

For all the fans and parents of ASC/SCAC players out there, here's a list of the games I'm planning to cover (photographically) for d3football.com this season:

09/09:     McMurry at Austin College

09/16:     Louisiana College at McMurry
              Linfield at Hardin-Simmons

09/30:     Austin College at Trinity

10/07:     Hardin-Simmons at Mary Hardin-Baylor

10/14:     Millsaps at Austin College

11/04:     Wisconsin-Whitewater at Mary Hardin-Baylor (tentative)

11/11:     McMurry at Hardin-Simmons

Due to the restructuring of the ASC schedule, Austin College's move to the SCAC, editorial needs for the site, my fall weekend work  commitments, and squeezing in some family time, I'm unfortunately going to miss shooting DePauw, Centre, Sewanee and Rhodes this season.  My apologies to all of the parents and fans of these teams--I can (unfortunately) only be in one place at a time.  I promise to try to get to your teams' games soon.

I do hope that fans and parents will check out the photo galleries after the game(s), and realize that purchasing prints from d3football.com goes a long way toward keeping this site up, running and free.

Please say "Hi" if you see me on the sidelines at one of these games, it would be nice to have faces to go with screen names. 

I can't wait for the season to open!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on August 18, 2006, 10:19:35 am
Trinity tabbed as favorite for 14th SCAC Football title
http://www.scac-online.org/football/06footballpoof.htm (http://www.scac-online.org/football/06footballpoof.htm)

In other news, the SCAC Presidents voted on Wednesday to play an eight-game, single round-robin schedule beginning in 2007 when the league expands to nine football-playing members (Birmingham-Southern and Colorado College join the current seven).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 18, 2006, 10:49:13 am
Thanks, SCACSID.  I'm glad to hear the conference will play a complete round-robin in '07 rather than some sort of split as some had discussed.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on August 18, 2006, 10:56:37 am
The round-robin does make more sense. With the odd numebr of teams meaning non-conference dates spread through the season, maybe it won't hurt Huntingdon's ability to schedule these nearby teams too much.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 18, 2006, 11:06:44 am
The round-robin does make more sense. With the odd number of teams meaning non-conference dates spread through the season, maybe it won't hurt Huntingdon's ability to schedule these nearby teams too much.

Hawks, you have the 9-member SCAC, the 9-member ASC which is kinda far, and the 8-team USAC.

With LaGrange also trying to get games, I can see a shake-up occurring. 

There are 2 non-conference dates for each of the SCAC and ASC teams.  There are 3 non-conference dates in the USAC.

I still think that the best option is for the GSAC to merge into the USAC, (after Shenandoah gets invited north to one of the MAC's and then CNU gets invited north into the Capital as well, but that is conjecture  ;) ).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU92 on August 18, 2006, 03:46:46 pm
Does that mean in 2007 the SCAC could get more than one team into the post season?  I know it is a lot more complex than that, but will this increase our (the SCAC in general) chances?  Say if we have two teams with 8 plus wins.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on August 18, 2006, 04:07:23 pm
I'd think so.  It will still come down to one team getting a Pool C bid, which is contingent upon the second team's QOWI, among other things.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 18, 2006, 09:46:02 pm
Does that mean in 2007 the SCAC could get more than one team into the post season?  I know it is a lot more complex than that, but will this increase our (the SCAC in general) chances?  Say if we have two teams with 8 plus wins.

I'll beg to differ with Josh on this one.  The two FB schools joining the SCAC over the next two years have pretty unexciting teams.  I think a quality in-region non-conference win this year would be more valuable than a "eh" conference win next season.  All having eight conference games does for you is guarantee one more in-region game.   

I am going to be very interested to see what Ronnie Gage does at AC.  That program should be on the rise with the staff he is assembling.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Werner99 on August 21, 2006, 05:13:42 pm
Evidently, there doesn't appear to be much love lost between some of the DPU players and Coach Rogers.  Please see the link below for an article in the student newspaper (second article listed on the home page).

Based on the quotes in the article, it appears that the players are more than ready to move forward under Coach Walker.

http://www.thedepauw.com/
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on August 21, 2006, 11:03:07 pm
LAZ index is up for 2006 season.  www.lazindex.com  Top 25 listed below:

RANK    SCHOOL    RATE    W    L    POWER       
   
1    Mount Union    0.924    0    0    92.39    
2    Linfield    0.900    0    0    90.04    
3    UW-Whitewater    0.870    0    0    87.01    
4    St John's MN    0.852    0    0    85.22    
5    UW-La Crosse    0.840    0    0    83.96    
6    Mary Hardin-Baylor    0.806    0    0    80.63    
7    UW-Eau Claire    0.789    0    0    78.93    
8    Capital    0.787    0    0    78.69    
9    UW-Stout    0.783    0    0    78.29    
10    Concordia-Moorhead    0.775    0    0    77.51    
11    UW-Stevens Point    0.771    0    0    77.15    
12    Augustana IL    0.755    0    0    75.53    
13    Wheaton    0.752    0    0    75.20    
14    Ohio Northern    0.746    0    0    74.60    
15    Hardin-Simmons    0.736    0    0    73.64    
16    UW-Oshkosh    0.735    0    0    73.50    
17    Bethel MN    0.731    0    0    73.12    
18    John Carroll    0.725    0    0    72.49    
19    Whitworth    0.712    0    0    71.16    
20    Baldwin-Wallace    0.711    0    0    71.10    
21    UW-River Falls    0.707    0    0    70.71    
22    Wartburg    0.704    0    0    70.39    
23    North Central    0.704    0    0    70.38    
24    Willamette    0.701    0    0    70.13    
25    Rowan    0.701    0    0    70.12

Other schools in ASC and SCAC:

29       Trinity       0.693   0   0   69.26
34        DePauw   0.676   0   0   67.58
49       Howard Payne   0.655   0   0   65.48
56       ETBU     0.636   0   0   63.61
89     Texas Lutheran   0.582   0   0   58.20
94      Rhodes     0.571   0   0   57.12
102    Centre     0.550   0   0   54.98
115     Louisiana College     0.535   0   0   53.5
120     McMurry     0.528   0   0   52.76
132     Sewanee     0.499   0   0   49.86
136     Miss. College     0.494   0   0   49.41
142     Sul Ross     0.487   0   0   46.88
150     Austin College     0.467   0   0   46.70
166     Millsaps     0.442   0   0   44.88
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on August 21, 2006, 11:15:56 pm
Ron,

As an Austin College fan and being new to the SCAC board, I appreciate the comments by you concerning Coach Gage and my Roos.  I agree with your comments about his new staff and that is the reason for my earlier post on that.  I know it is hard to compare against teams you have never seen or know much about but I have a feeling they may compete better in the SCAC than a lot of people think they will.  Only time will tell.   :-\

I do know that with all of his Texas high school coaching contacts he has a head start on future recruiting.  I do not know how many know this but he was the president elect for the Texas High School Coaches Association but was forced to give up his position on the Board of Directors when he took the AC job.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 22, 2006, 10:02:18 am
I agree, roocru.  They will win some conference games and perform better than the last-place that the coaches voted them to this year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on August 22, 2006, 08:09:15 pm
(El Tea Gray---re: "new Regional Games")

Question: If Trinity vs. Redlands is now a "Regional Game", is Trinity vs. Huntingdon now a "non-Regional Game"? 

For the impact wizards, if so, what is the impact for the three teams?

                                                    ???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on August 22, 2006, 08:57:22 pm
I can't believe that AC was picked last.  They gave TU a fight last season, and Sewanee and Millsaps are still terrible.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on August 22, 2006, 10:21:09 pm
(El Tea Gray---re: "new Regional Games")

Question: If Trinity vs. Redlands is now a "Regional Game", is Trinity vs. Huntingdon now a "non-Regional Game"? 

For the impact wizards, if so, what is the impact for the three teams?

                                                    ???
Both are regional games. To quote the second paragraph of the Daily Dose article:
"As a reminder, this is in addition to every other existing definition of a regional game (200 miles shortest possible driving distance, teams within the same Division III football region, teams in the same conference but different regions)."
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 22, 2006, 11:00:23 pm
AC's scrimmage with ETBU has been called off due to injuries suffered by the Roos so far in practice. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on August 23, 2006, 10:31:52 am
That is a very definitive statement TTU 719, have you been to the practices at Sewanee and Millsaps to be able to make such a claim?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on August 23, 2006, 01:07:27 pm
I'll beg to differ with Josh on this one.  The two FB schools joining the SCAC over the next two years have pretty unexciting teams.  I think a quality in-region non-conference win this year would be more valuable than a "eh" conference win next season.  All having eight conference games does for you is guarantee one more in-region game.   

I am going to be very interested to see what Ronnie Gage does at AC.  That program should be on the rise with the staff he is assembling.   

Don't get me wrong, Ron.  I think the SCAC is a one bid conference right now.  I was simply stating that to get a second team in, the runner up would have to have a pretty good QOWI score.

Sewanee and Centre have decent non-conference schedules.  However, I think the only team that can likely earn a Pool C bid from the SCAC this season is DePauw--they play only four home games, and if they can score two wins out of three games on the road against Centre/Trinity/Wabash, their QOWI score ought to be pretty decent.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on August 23, 2006, 01:12:41 pm
Despite the injuries and new faces in Sherman, I also think that .500 is a possibility for the 'Roos this season.

Kalamazoo, Rhodes, SWAG and Millsaps are all winnable games, IMO, for the 'Roos.  I also think the McMurry & Sewanee games could go either way.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on August 23, 2006, 06:02:33 pm
Keith McMillan says TU will not make the playoffs, and that they will win the SCAC....  Which is it Keith?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on August 23, 2006, 08:15:02 pm
(El Tea Gray---re: new "administrative" Regions)


Hawks88,
Are there now two classifications of Regions; the "new administrative" Regions 1,2,3 and 4 and the "old" Regions of East, North, South and West? This must solve some problem; do you know what it is?

                                                         ???

Historymajor,
When Keith states that this years Trinity team is "an average team" or even "an average (for) Trinity team" it only proves that he has not followed the Tiger workouts this summer as I have (frankly, I would not expect him to have done so).
Maybe his comments would be more accurate if placed at some point after the 1st or 2nd week of the season (I expect that Keith will update his remarks as the season progresses)?

                                                          :)








Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 23, 2006, 09:31:02 pm
(El Tea Gray---re: new "administrative" Regions)


Hawks88,
Are there now two classifications of Regions; the "new administrative" Regions 1,2,3 and 4 and the "old" Regions of East, North, South and West? This must solve some problem; do you know what it is?

ETG and Hawks,

The NCAA allowed the Administrative Regions (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=3880.358) to count as "in-region" as a creative way to allow the "NCAA-way" of doing things to increase the number of in-region games.  This is in response to those people who would like for all D3 opponents to count as "in-region" for determining playoffs.

Every school is assigned to an administrative region on one top level.  I haven't investigated the full implementation of the Administrative Regions on NCAA Policies.  Nevertheless, Texas is in Region 4.  All games against schools in Region 4 are in-region.

The second level for looking at Regions is at the level of the Evaluation Region.   Every (team) sport is assigned an Evaluation Region.  I know the ASC.  McMurry is in the South Evaluation Region for football, basketball, baseball, volleyball and Women's Soccer  McMurry is in the Central Region for Men's Soccer.  McMurry is in the West Region for baseball and Texas teams are in the West Region for Softball.  McMurry can play any team in the Evaluation Region to count as "in-Region".

The third level of "in-region" is at the level of the Conference.  DePauw is "in-Region" for the SCAC, regardless of the Evaluation Region to which they have been assigned.  This ruling really impacts the conferences such as the UAA, the SCAC, the ASC in some sports such as baseball and soccer, and the NEAC, among others.

Finally, the 200-mile radius rule was a commonsense adaptation to the arbitrary nature of the Evaluation Regions.  (You gotta draw a border to a region somewhere, and 200-miles was determined at the distance that was not excessive with respect to "missed class time".)  This really impacts the schools where Evaluation Regions come together, such as New York City where the East, Northeast and Atlantic Regions converge in several sports.  It also allows DePauw in the South Football Evaluation Region to play nearby "North Football Evaluation Schools" as in-Region.

The NCAA wants to encourage schools to keep their travel budgets under control and pay attention to time away from class.

I counted the impact of the Administrative Regions on McMurry Men's Basketball.

There are 14 Conference opponents.

There are another 37 South Basketball Evaluation Teams.

Of course, there are no qualifying teams for the 200-mile radius rule.  ;D

The "New Adminstrative Region Interpretation" adds 60 schools from the West and 29 schools Midwest Basketball Evaluation Regions as "in-region".

McMurry can schedule games with 140 D3 schools and count as In-region.  Trinity is roughly the same.  Huntingdon picks up all of those teams in the Great Lakes area (Michigan, Ohio, Indiana) as "in-Region".
I hope this helps.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 23, 2006, 10:07:03 pm
Keith McMillan says TU will not make the playoffs, and that they will win the SCAC....  Which is it Keith?

History major, Chris Allman did the SCAC preview.  Chris is taking Ron Boerger's place as the "Around the Region" reporter for the ASC, the SCAC and Huntingdon.

http://www.d3football.com/kickoff/about.php

Please scroll to the bottom.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on August 24, 2006, 03:13:11 pm
Keith McMillan says TU will not make the playoffs, and that they will win the SCAC....  Which is it Keith?

History major, Chris Allman did the SCAC preview.  Chris is taking Ron Boerger's place as the "Around the Region" reporter for the ASC, the SCAC and Huntingdon.

http://www.d3football.com/kickoff/about.php

Please scroll to the bottom.

Ralph,,, this is what seems contradictory...

’05 Playoff teams who will miss the ’06 field

Trinity (Texas): We’ve seen signs of a possible Tigers stumble since their 2002 Stagg Bowl run. They struggle with opponents a dominant team shouldn’t struggle with — needing a late rally to beat Huntingdon 15-10 last season put the third-year independent on the map — and dodged a showdown with DePauw last season when the brutal hurricane season in the Southeast wiped out the SCAC clash. But with the other Tigers changing coaches again and losing a great quarterback, it may be a year to late for DePauw to assume the conference throne, which Trinity has held for 13 consecutive seasons. None of the Tigers’ four non-conference games is an easy win (East Texas Baptist, Texas Lutheran, Redlands, Huntingdon), and unless DePauw is sharp, an average Trinity team is still good enough to take the SCAC’s automatic bid.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 24, 2006, 03:17:22 pm
Couple of decent articles on Austin College and Ronnie Gage in today's Dallas Morning News (registration required).  That is more D3 football coverage in a single DMN issue than I can remember.

http://tinyurl.com/oopjf  (fixed URL)

Both articles and sidebars are at this one link.  There's a story on Gage and the challenges he faces at AC (only 61 players are on this year's team), a story on the move to the SCAC, and some detailed info about both Gage and AC. 

According to the article, former QB Zach Seifert is moving to TE.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 24, 2006, 03:26:17 pm
Yeah, he does leave some wiggle-room there, doesn't he!

Ohhh, the pre-season. :-\ :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on August 24, 2006, 08:59:59 pm
2006 SCAC Football Prospectus
http://www.scac-online.org/football/06footballprospectus.pdf (http://www.scac-online.org/football/06footballprospectus.pdf)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on August 26, 2006, 12:20:04 am
Trinity (Texas): We’ve seen signs of a possible Tigers stumble since their 2002 Stagg Bowl run. ...

The only "stumble" was the graduation of Urban, Hunt, Respondek, and Hampton.  Trinity used to be able to get athletes like that, but not any more it seems.  Academic standards have gone up, and while there are still some great athletes on this years team, they are a far cry from that '02 team.  I don't think Trinity will get back to that point, unless the admissions departments starts to help them out - which seems highly unlikely.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: moondog on August 26, 2006, 05:12:46 am
doubters....... Every year there seems to be people who say that we can't "do it". And every year we do. (I can say we because I played at Trinity). Granted admissions have gotten tougher,but  Tigers get it done. I went to some games last year, and we have some players holding down the "old school" traditions. Play hard, balls out, "No Mercy No Limit". This year will be TUF,I think this years key  will be  leadership from both seniors and a coaching staff.  Black Flag carries the load this year.  Lots of shutouts,  black flag gets it done this year from guys like Allan.(Kid is an animal... Saw him a couple of times, most impressive in a loss against MHB) TUF gets it done AND goes deep into the playoffs.... 13 years = TRADITION. F*ck all, watch 'em fall.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on August 26, 2006, 06:53:28 pm
(El Tea Gray---re: Comments on "Moondog")

Moondog,

Right-on! Watch the "Black Flag", and on offense watch the new RB Greg Bielski (JR transfer from Iona, a D-I AA Mid-Major in New York State--played his high school football in Corpus Christi). Both are "for real"!

                                                        ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 26, 2006, 08:17:22 pm
I-AA mid-major means I-AA non-scholarship, means basically a D-III football player at a school that has D-I basketball.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tigerpop on August 27, 2006, 05:39:13 pm
Did anyone see yesterday's scrimmage between TU & Harden Simmons?  If so, how did the Tigers look?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dballa on August 27, 2006, 06:03:11 pm
Actually TU scrimmaged HPU on Saturday.  TU's offense looked pretty good.  HPU's defense has some holes to fill from last years team.

TU's defense really didn't impress me all that much.  Or it could have been HPU's offense just played really well.

TU's kicking game needs a lot of work.  I don't think the starting kicker made very many during the scheduled practice, nor did he make an easy one during the 15 min live game situation.

I think one thing effecting both teams was the heat.  It had to be well over 100 on the field and after an hour and a half of drills in that heat, it seemed like a lot of them were drained when they got to the 15 min period.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tigerpop on August 27, 2006, 09:00:56 pm
Thanks dballa for the update.  I have a son on the team and we live out of state, so we don't get to many games and getting info from him is like getting blood out of a rock.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 27, 2006, 09:08:44 pm
Trinity season preview (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/localcolleges/stories/MYSA082706.12Y.FBCtrinity.main.3078fed.html) and at a glance (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/localcolleges/stories/MYSA082706.12Y.FBCtrinity.capsule.3078f91.html) from the San Antonio Express-News.

Interesting SCAC prediction from the crack E-N staff:
1. Trinity
2. DePauw
3. Centre
4. Austin College
5. Sewanee
6. Rose-Hulman  <--- Ooopsie !!!
7. Millsaps
8. Rhodes
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 27, 2006, 09:19:31 pm
Trinity season preview (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/localcolleges/stories/MYSA082706.12Y.FBCtrinity.main.3078fed.html) and at a glance (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/localcolleges/stories/MYSA082706.12Y.FBCtrinity.capsule.3078f91.html) from the San Antonio Express-News.

Interesting SCAC prediction from the crack E-N staff:
1. Trinity
2. DePauw
3. Centre
4. Austin College
5. Sewanee
6. Rose-Hulman  <--- Ooopsie !!!
7. Millsaps
8. Rhodes


At least the carrier-pigeon from Sherman arrived. :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on August 27, 2006, 09:24:22 pm
I am going to the AC vs. TLU game this coming Saturday.  Anyone else making the trip?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 27, 2006, 10:17:56 pm
I'd probably have gone if the game was in Sherman. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: willystyle on August 27, 2006, 10:52:31 pm
Trinity season preview (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/localcolleges/stories/MYSA082706.12Y.FBCtrinity.main.3078fed.html) and at a glance (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/localcolleges/stories/MYSA082706.12Y.FBCtrinity.capsule.3078f91.html) from the San Antonio Express-News.

Interesting SCAC prediction from the crack E-N staff:
1. Trinity
2. DePauw
3. Centre
4. Austin College
5. Sewanee
6. Rose-Hulman  <--- Ooopsie !!!
7. Millsaps
8. Rhodes


Yeah, saw that today (enjoying the last few days of vacation in SA) and also couldn't help but wonder if they were unable to find a better picture to use above the article... I mean, every QB loves his linemen, but geez.  Also noticed the absence of Tyler Flynn from the "Best Players" list.  All in all, not the E-N's finest effort.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tigerpop on August 28, 2006, 12:24:48 am
Ron, What do you see as the strengths of this year's Trinity offense?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 28, 2006, 08:48:01 am
Sorry, TigerPop.   I really don't know enough about what is going on in SA this year to answer that question.  I think the running game can be a strength, but only if the inexperienced OL comes together.  I am hoping for a bit more consistency and verticality from the passing game, that depends not only on the OL but the QB situation ironing itself out (Coach Mohr said in the E-N article that the starting role was still up for grabs) so the the starter and the WRs can get on the same page. 

The week 1 game against ETBU should act as a decent measuring stick for the season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on August 28, 2006, 10:46:18 am

Re: Predicted order of finish

Seeing DePauw and Trinity atop the SCAC predictions reminds me of something that Jim Rome once said about D-1 Women's Basketball:  "UConn and Tennessee look to be the favorites to win the national championship this year.  Look for this to happen for the next twenty years." 

To the SCAC also-rans, I'm glad you came along for the ride.  However, if you're in the bottom 3/4, I think it's a long way into that top fouth.

To the DPU faithful I offer the same condolences.  I'm afraid for you that it is an even longer way into the top spot.  Even should the Tigers lose a battle, we will always win the war. 

Moondog, how's married life?  Try to make it out to Jackson with your siblings for homecoming this year.  That's the only one I'll be able to make.  I'm sure we'll play smart enough this year to wrap up another playoff spot that day. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 28, 2006, 11:07:48 am
ASC Pick'em Contest is up on the Pick' em Boards.  We invite you SCAC fans to join us.  We will have at least one SCAC contest each week.

ASC 2006 Pick'em Contest Rules (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=3600.471)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on August 28, 2006, 03:06:32 pm
(El Tea Gray---re: Iona, I-AA Mid-Major)

Pat,
You are correct about the class of football at Iona; two of their ten games are vs. D3 teams (Montclair State and Western Conn.) with only Columbia and Duquesne as strong hurdles. Still the average quality of football player in the Metro Atlantic Athletic Conference (MAAC), although certainly not equal to their basketball squads, is IMHO probably slightly above the average for D3.

Regarding RB Greg Bielski, Trinity is glad to now have him; the Tigers tried to recruit him out of Carroll High School (Corpus Christi) two years ago. His SO stats with very limited playing time at Iona in 2005 were Rushing--197 yds., Rec.--35 yds., Kickoff Ret.--21 yds. for 253 Total All-Purpose yds.

                                                        :) 


 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dpuinaz on August 28, 2006, 06:15:50 pm
...

To the SCAC also-rans, I'm glad you came along for the ride.  However, if you're in the bottom 3/4, I think it's a long way into that top fouth.

To the DPU faithful I offer the same condolences.  I'm afraid for you that it is an even longer way into the top spot.  Even should the Tigers lose a battle, we will always win the war. 
...

Come on...tell us how you really feel.  I'll admit it: TU has been dominant, but is losing steam by the season.  Sure, DePauw faces challenges of its own, but it seems pretty cocky to make a comment like this when your own program is hardly secure in its own identity for the season...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gil68 on August 29, 2006, 10:50:29 am
Trash talk is a means of containment.  The group percieved to be in power seeks to put the "other" in the place they want them to be.  This is because they are insecure with their own position.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on August 29, 2006, 11:48:51 am
Has Depauw had a scrimmage? Is there one scheduled? I see nothing indicating this on the website.

Does anyone have any insight on how the team is looking? Inquiring minds want to know...  ???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on August 29, 2006, 12:20:51 pm
For those interested, the Millsaps / Miss. College game will be broadcast on the local ESPN affiliate in Jackson on Saturday.  The kickoff is scheduled for 7 pm and it is the first time in over 40 years the game will be played at one of the school's home stadiums (Millsaps).  Here is a link to ESPN 1240's website:

http://www.espnradio1240.com/default.html
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on August 29, 2006, 01:00:38 pm
Has Depauw had a scrimmage? Is there one scheduled? I see nothing indicating this on the website.

Does anyone have any insight on how the team is looking? Inquiring minds want to know...  ???

i was told they split a doubleheader last Saturday...1st game 7 to 5, 2nd game 4 to 8...oops sorry wrong sport  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on August 29, 2006, 02:02:04 pm
Has Depauw had a scrimmage? Is there one scheduled? I see nothing indicating this on the website.

Does anyone have any insight on how the team is looking? Inquiring minds want to know...  ???

What better way to get back posting on the D3 boards than to answer this question - I was at their scrimmage this past Saturday against Franklin.

At quarterback, it looks like Abe Winkle is going to be the guy to replace Wiethoff... he drove the first team down the field for a TD on his only drive of the day. Robbie McLaughlin and the freshman Spud Dick impressed, but at this point I'd say it's Winkle's job to lose. The reconstructed O-line looked impressive too, though they're going to look good as long as they give Tiger running backs even the slightest hole to run through.

I thought the defense looked a little suspect against the pass but their pressure in the backfield was excellent... and that was without Dustin Hertel, who sat out the scrimmage. I don't know much about Franklin's running game and how good it's supposed to be but I do know they couldn't run at all against DePauw. Their front four is very good and with Hertel I'd say you could call it 'great'.

Lots of reasons for the defending SCAC Champs to be optimistic heading into the opener against Anderson next Saturday.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on August 29, 2006, 03:10:34 pm
thanks for the report, DPULefty22.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 29, 2006, 03:20:35 pm
Lots of reasons for the defending SCAC co-champs to be optimistic heading into the opener against Anderson next Saturday.

Good report, DPULefty22, but I made one minor correction.   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 29, 2006, 06:25:56 pm
Interesting tidbit:  the Trinity two-deep provided by ETBU sports information has Blake Barmore listed as the starter at QB on Saturday.  The other surprise is Jonathan Plotnick listed as a backup at WR position.  Chris Baer will start at RB; the four starting WRs, all familiar names, are seniors Zach Byars, William Kuhlman, Justin Thompson, and Anthony Hicks. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on August 29, 2006, 06:31:02 pm
Spud Dick is now my favorite DIII player.   What a name!  8)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on August 29, 2006, 06:56:40 pm
Spud Dick is now my favorite DIII player.   What a name!  8)

I don't expect Spud to be shown much mercy when the Dannies come to town in November.

I do expect DePauw to be strong defensively - Hertel is a stud, period.  Offensively, whoever is at QB will need to keep opposing defenses honest and keep from completely keying on Marks.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on August 29, 2006, 09:04:40 pm
I do expect DePauw to be strong defensively - Hertel is a stud, period.

Sustained.

If they shut down Franklin like DPULefty22 says they did, without Hertel playing, they're gonna be tough again.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on August 29, 2006, 09:18:51 pm
Lots of reasons for the defending SCAC co-champs to be optimistic heading into the opener against Anderson next Saturday.

Good report, DPULefty22, but I made one minor correction.   ;D

Yeah, that was kind of an accidentally-on-purpose way to try and tweak the Texas Tigers a little bit.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HoosierQBScout on August 29, 2006, 10:00:08 pm
DPULefty---
You give a pretty good overview of DePauw-Franklin scrimmage... I would add another player to watch...WR #7 Mulligan (freshman)...very nice receiver...runs great routes and has super hands...I can see the Spud Dick to Mulligan combination racking up some serious yardage over the next 4 years. I like DPU's young skill players...also, Winkle did a nice job Saturday...and pass defense did look suspect...but some of that was Franklin QB's...liked the way they threw the ball...WR Kevin Lynch (son of Billy) made some nice catches, including a TD...all in all a fun day...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tigerpop on August 30, 2006, 10:44:45 pm
.
Quote
Interesting tidbit:  the Trinity two-deep provided by ETBU sports information has Blake Barmore listed as the starter at QB on Saturday.  The other surprise is Jonathan Plotnick listed as a backup at WR position.

With respect to JP, Jon is actually a running back / fullback, one of those rare birds at TU, although they use his particular position in passing formations.  I think the plan is to platoon both of them at the H-back position and also use the two of them in 2 back formations.  Of course, all of this could change, based on the effectiveness of rhe line play.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 31, 2006, 09:41:03 am
SA Express-News confirms (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/localcolleges/stories/MYSA083106.05C.LOCreport.3337bca.html) that Coach Mohr has named Blake Barmore as the starting QB against ETBU.

BTW, I rag on the E-N guys a lot, so it's interesting to note that today's Dallas Morning-News ran no fewer than three separate college football preview sections today ... none of which provided any coverage of the Texas ASC schools, Austin College, or Trinity.   Only D-IA schools were deemed worthy.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on August 31, 2006, 10:31:00 am
Looking forward to seeing how Trinity begins the 2006 season ... I think we will be pleased at the strength of both the defense and offense.

(http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/3774/emstevens2fw8.jpg)

Parking at Trinity University Parking Garage .... $0.
Tickets to Trinity Tigers Football Game .......... $0.
Watching Division III College Football ... priceless.



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Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on August 31, 2006, 11:01:28 am
The Trinity Athletic Department preview of this Saturday's Trinity vs. ETBU game appeared on the TU website today here:

http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/Football/ETBUpreview.htm (http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/Football/ETBUpreview.htm)

The ETBU SID wrote a very comprehensive preview of the "Battle of the Texas D-III Tigers" also, but it is not available online.  Perhaps it will be posted later ...

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on August 31, 2006, 12:57:33 pm
Trash talk is a means of containment.  The group percieved to be in power seeks to put the "other" in the place they want them to be.  This is because they are insecure with their own position.

My inscurity what makes it so much fun. 

I think that people who make over elaborate psychological assessments about football are trying to find a flaw in those of whom they are jealous.   

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on August 31, 2006, 02:44:08 pm
Here is a link to the preview of the upcoming "Backyard Brawl" in the Jackson Clarion-Ledger:

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060831/SPORTS030105/608310357/1085/SPORTS

The article focuses more on the coaches than the actual game and players, typical coverage for the Jackson newspaper who knows nothing of the three smaller colleges in its hometown.  One interesting and disturbing note is that Millsaps' two best linebackers from last season are possibly out due to injuries.  You have to read toward the bottom of the article to find this information.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on August 31, 2006, 02:46:44 pm
Trash talk is a means of containment.  The group percieved to be in power seeks to put the "other" in the place they want them to be.  This is because they are insecure with their own position.

In my neck of the woods, trash talk is a means of group entertainment often used to identify a sensitive spot ... then we jab it again to see what happens.  Only the insecure complain.  And only the oafs carry it too far.  So far, I'm reading only good-natured ribbing. 

Can you feel the love, yet?   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 31, 2006, 03:05:06 pm
I guess that I am just too "old school" for trash-talking.

In my world, those who can, do.
Those who can't, (trash) talk.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dpuinaz on August 31, 2006, 04:28:49 pm
I wouldn't say trash talk comes from insecurity in this case, inasmuch as there's really no question as to who the dominant program has been.  What we are finding to be in question, though, is that of who the dominant program IS today.  I think it's really anyone's guess, as both Trinity and DePauw have talented teams and holes to fill.  While it doesn't help DePauw to begin this campaign with it fourth h.c. in as many years, I would wager they have the right guy now.  Walker is a stud, and a homegrown one at that.  He's a guy who understands his players, treats them with respect and sees great results.  While the Tigers are not an air it out team now, they were for years, and his receiving corps have been phenomenal (Jamarcus Shepard, Dan Ryan, John Stephens, Joe Schoen, etc...).  Today, the game is different, and he has a very talented ball carrier in Marks.  The quarterback should have time to grow into his role by virtue of the fact that these guys do like to run the ball, and do so well.

Though I'm light years from my own time at DePauw (or at least it feels that way), I'm thrilled with the progress of the program and hope to see a game or two this year.  Any alums out there want to make an all nighter out of the Trinity game in SA, it's a short flight and I'll be there!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on September 01, 2006, 01:16:08 am
I'm off to Mississippi for the Backyard Brawl.   I have very little to report about Millsaps.  I believe they will be better offensively.  Juan Joseph will be a threat at quarterback.  The Majors have a few good receivers, and with a wide open attack that they have advertised this pre-season, the running game may be effective (at least early on) with the dangerous Tyson Roy. 

My concern is the defense.  The Majors were very young and very bad last year.  Word has it that a Mike Dubose system takes a year to learn.  We shall see whether that is the case.  Dubose has his troops preparing for conference play.  Don't be surprised to see Millsaps start slowly out of the gate only to improve as the season plays out. 

The Choctaws have improved, but Millsaps knows more about Miss. College than the Choctaws know about the Majors.  A new coaching staff for Millsaps with new schemes and key players with a year under their belts will win the day on Saturday. 

I'll go with the home team --  Millsaps 28  Miss. College 24
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 01, 2006, 10:18:37 am
Thanks, consultant.  I'm glad the "real" Backyard Brawl is back this year.

Here's to a good game for both sides!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 01, 2006, 11:01:10 am
I set up an SCAC Pick'ems (in the Pick'em zone), so make your picks for tomorrow's games!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on September 01, 2006, 12:01:23 pm
dpuinaz:
All trashing aside, we hope you (and others) will make the trek safely to San Antonio on Sept 23.  If you do, be sure to stop over on the home side (the only concession stand, I'm afraid) during halftime.  Maybe we can introduce ourselves in person ... I might try to make the trip to Indiana next year myself.  Here's wishing DPU the best of luck this season (except against TU, of course.)  May your players stay healthy and your coach have much success in his first year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dpuinaz on September 01, 2006, 01:00:58 pm
Thanks, Tdad - good luck to your guys, too.  Is your son on the team?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 01, 2006, 08:33:38 pm
Wabashcpa... I'm in!!! 

Are you going to tally weekly or are we just trying to make our best (homer) guesses?

I know from personal experience that CPA's love building and maintaining (and showing off) their spreadsheets!!!  Ha!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 02, 2006, 12:00:53 pm
I'll keep a tally - as of noon Saturday there are a whopping seven entries, so I doubt a spreadsheet will be necessary. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 02, 2006, 05:18:47 pm
Centre beat Bluffton, 21-6.
Sewanee upset (IMO) Hampden-Sydney, 42-35.
Texas Lutheran pounded Austin College, 45-0.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tu_lb53 on September 02, 2006, 09:33:31 pm
Trinity beats ETBU 41-0: payback, just 3 years too late. Sounded like a great day for the passing game, not so much for the ground game, but if I'm not mistaken there's a lot of fresh blood on that O-line - they'll get it together.

Swinny, I knew that voice sounded familiar - not a bad job; is that all you're doing these days or do you do some honest work, too?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 03, 2006, 01:11:41 pm
Sewanee upset (IMO) Hampden-Sydney, 42-35.

WOW!  Not just your opinion, Ron. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on September 03, 2006, 01:58:11 pm
Trinity looked good, but ETBU looked very flat.  They had no fire, looked as if they were at a scrimmage.  Did they go to the riverwalk Friday night?  That has been the downfall of many a team traveling to S.A. 

I think the Trinity offense has a long way to go, but the defense looked great.  ETBU had great speed, and TU kept up with them.  The TU O-line looked inexperienced, as they are, but played above what I expected.  That unit should come along nicely.  A good win for TU but next week should be a true test of this year's team.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 03, 2006, 03:23:54 pm
I was at the AC/TLU game on Saturday and wanted to post my observations.  I will talk about Austin College here and put my thoughts about TLU on the ASC board.

First, it is obvious that AC still does not have the skill people to play with the upper level teams in the ASC.  AC was forced to play zone pass coverage because they could not cover TLU man to man and the talented receivers still were able to hit the seams in the zone before the AC secondary could get there.  The LB’s played pretty well and I was very excited about the play of their three down linemen, especially the senior nose guard #97.  The only real running plays to hurt AC were cutbacks and draw plays where the more talented TLU running  backs get into space against an AC defender.  More traditional straight ahead runs were basically shut down and there was a pretty decent 3 man rush on most passing attempts.

On offense think about installing a whole new offensive scheme in only the time allotted by DIII mandates.  There were numerous mistakes in blocking assignments on the triple option which often left them with all options covered.  There were also a lot of penalties, especially illegal procedure that Coach Gage will see are worked out.  They were however surprisingly effective in running the ball against TLU with an inside power sweep and some other more basic plays.  I really feel that their offense will get a lot better as the bugs are worked out of the triple option.  The real benefit was in ball control as the defense did not stay on the field as much as last year. The QB’s must work however on avoiding interceptions.

Overall I was impressed with the tenacity of the team and noticed that both teams appeared in good shape as there was no cramping by any of the players even with a noon start in the hot sun.

I still think AC will do alright in the SCAC if yesterdays scores were any indication.  Millsaps was beaten soundly by Mississippi College which has had little success in the ASC and Centre beat a 3-7 team last year by two TD’s.  Time will tell.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on September 03, 2006, 09:37:57 pm

Trinity with an inexperienced offensive line rings 41 points in their first game.  That's pretty good, I think.  You know they're going to get themselves together or at least get better by late in the season.  Better than 41-0 is probably going to be very good. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tigerpop on September 04, 2006, 09:59:46 am
In regard to the inexperienced O-Line, the starting unit allowed only one sack in over 31 passing plays, and that was with an All-American at defensive end for ETBU.  On many of the passing plays, Barmore had time to pick out secondary receivers.  With regard to rushing offense, I agree that it was a bit spotty, but these kids are smart and well coached.  They'll be okay.  The real issue, in my opinion, is staying healthy.  ETBU was very tough and physical and there were some kids that got banged up.  If most of them recover for next week, they'll give TLU all they can handle.

The TU defense played a tough, experienced ETBU offense to a "goose egg," so they really played up to expectations.  In short, I was impressed with TU play on both sides of the ball.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 4thANDaLONG4 on September 04, 2006, 11:17:06 am
I enjoy this message board for one major reason, if we post something it stays posted not deleted (unlike other other "scoop" boards.  I think, rather I hope a few administrators from the wonderful University in greencastle read this.   I thinki it is very sad what a few people have done to a wonderful school.  I find it ridiculous that more Alums haven't spoken up over the FIRING of Tim Rogers.  Yes, FIRED, he didn't resign.  As sooon as the players and alums find that out, a few people will have some explaining to do.  As most of us know, Walker is a decent guy, granted over his head, but a good guy who I hope isn't being used as a pawn.  Other than that, I wish HIM good luck.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on September 04, 2006, 12:37:02 pm
  I find it ridiculous that more Alums haven't spoken up over the FIRING of Tim Rogers.  Yes, FIRED, he didn't resign.

Have anything else on that?  That's a little... odd... to throw that out there and not have a little support for it.


I've heard several times that there were some disagreements about some sensitive issues regarding hirings, but to the best of my knowledge, he wasn't forced out.

I also wasn't aware that Coach Walk was in over his head.  That's news to me, too. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on September 04, 2006, 04:10:46 pm
  I find it ridiculous that more Alums haven't spoken up over the FIRING of Tim Rogers.  Yes, FIRED, he didn't resign. 

in the words of an old song..."no one knows what goes on behind closed doors"  :-X it seemed like from the beginning, it wasn't going to be a good fit...it will be interesting to see how the baseball/football situation plays out...a good guy  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 04, 2006, 04:23:04 pm
I find it ridiculous that more Alums haven't spoken up ...

I find it ridiculous that an allegation like this comes from someone who's never posted here before.  Given the number of DPU alumni who post here regularly, I'll take this seriously should one of them confirm it.  AFAIK you're a troll from another school who just wants to make DPU look bad. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: benbraddock on September 04, 2006, 04:30:00 pm
I am a DPU Alum and cannot confirm what was posted.  However, I do know who this poster is and can confirm that he is "in the know" much more than I am or anyone else on here regarding the Rogers situation.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on September 04, 2006, 06:36:53 pm
I am a DPU Alum and cannot confirm what was posted.  However, I do know who this poster is and can confirm that he is "in the know" much more than I am or anyone else on here regarding the Rogers situation.

Oh good. I was afraid it was a Wabash poster trolling.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 05, 2006, 02:56:22 pm
Looks like some good games this week:

Anderson @ DePauw - DePauw breaks in a new QB; could be a low scoring affair
Sewanee @ Huntingdon - can Sewanee make it two in a row?
Trinity @ Texas Lutheran - close score last year - will home field be the difference?

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 4thANDaLONG4 on September 05, 2006, 07:50:38 pm
I am not sure why so many people can believe that a man would resign from a great job.  If you actually think that, you are very much removed from the "New Depauw."  If you doubt that Rogers resigned, call him, he's in the phone book in Greencastle, and he would gladly take your call.  I want it clear that I wish Walker the best, he's a very decent person with a great family.  However, I would love to know how the "e-mail" got off of Roger's computer and on to the ***'* computer.  That would be great knowledge, and if you doubt that, ask to see the email in question, and check out who it was sent from.  Just so you know, be back with more tidbits later.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on September 05, 2006, 08:07:58 pm
I am not sure why so many people can believe that a man would resign from a great job.  If you actually think that, you are very much removed from the "New Depauw."  If you doubt that Rogers resigned, call him, he's in the phone book in Greencastle, and he would gladly take your call.  I want it clear that I wish Walker the best, he's a very decent person with a great family.  However, I would love to know how the "e-mail" got off of Roger's computer and on to the ***'* computer.  That would be great knowledge, and if you doubt that, ask to see the email in question, and check out who it was sent from.  Just so you know, be back with more tidbits later.

it reminds me of a scene from The Godfather...Kay speaking..."Michael why did the band leader change his mind"...Michael Corleone speaking..."My father and Luka Brazzi went to see him"...Michael Corleone speaking..."Luka held a gun at his head and my father said either your signature or your brains will be on this contract"...Kay speaking..."Oh Michael"...Michael Corleone speaking..."That's my family Kay, that's not me"...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on September 05, 2006, 09:26:34 pm
Just so you know, be back with more tidbits later.

Even Deep Throat came out of hiding, eventually. Either fill in the gaps and quit playing with everyone, or go away.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cope on September 05, 2006, 09:43:31 pm
Well men,
  DePauw ran a snake scheme on Coach Rogers.  They fired the guy,
way to thank old coach for getting a conference championship!  Ole
DePauw constantly screwed this guy from the beginning.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on September 05, 2006, 09:55:13 pm
Well men,
  DePauw ran a snake scheme on Coach Rogers.  They fired the guy,
way to thank old coach for getting a conference championship!  Ole
DePauw constantly screwed this guy from the beginning.

"Father forgive them, they know not what they do."
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 05, 2006, 09:59:01 pm
Well men,
  DePauw ran a snake scheme on Coach Rogers.  They fired the guy,
way to thank old coach for getting a conference championship!  Ole
DePauw constantly screwed this guy from the beginning.

Well, Coach Nystrom (http://www.gobison.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=11843&SPID=695&DB_OEM_ID=2400&ATCLID=264332&Q_SEASON=2006), as you were one of Coach Rogers' assistants, it's good to see you were able to pick up a position at NDSU.     
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on September 05, 2006, 10:02:27 pm
Not to change the subject or anything but....

RET Zack Sloan, Fr., Centre
Sloan returned a punt 73 yards for a touchdown in his first collegiate game.


talk about making a good first impression...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cope on September 06, 2006, 12:45:08 pm
That is why it was time to leave.  Could not trust the situation.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 06, 2006, 01:49:55 pm
I'm curious how my main man, Spud Dick, did this weekend.  Any reports?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on September 06, 2006, 01:55:42 pm
I'm curious how my main man, Spud Dick, did this weekend.  Any reports?

Depauw was off last week...i believe they had an inhouse scrimmage but not sure...you see, I don't know Dick...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 06, 2006, 01:59:53 pm
Good one, Scotty.  Gotta boost your karma for that great zinger!

I forgot that DePauw was off--too much going on today and I didn't check before I posted.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on September 06, 2006, 02:28:03 pm
in all seriousness, the kid is a player...wouldn't be surprised to see him move ahead of "Honest Abe" Winkler as the season progresses...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 06, 2006, 02:33:48 pm
Why'd you have to go and do that?!?!?!?!?

Now, I'm torn!!!!!!!    :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 06, 2006, 02:37:32 pm
With a name like Spud Dick, you had BETTER be a good player!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on September 06, 2006, 02:41:47 pm
Spud Dick was very, very close to going to Wabash...he would have been another in the long line of Dicks who have attended...stop me before i hurt myself  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 4thANDaLONG4 on September 06, 2006, 02:48:27 pm
Hey Gaby,  did you play ball a Wabash from 89-92, so did I.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 06, 2006, 03:03:18 pm
You got me. 

I wondered from your profile if you were the man behind the catcher's gear.  What are you up to these days?

Something about the whole Rogers situation didn't pass the smell test, that's for sure. 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 4thANDaLONG4 on September 06, 2006, 04:53:32 pm
Hey Gaby # 5 (I think), email me, hit the icon and you'll have one of my email accounts, would enjoy catching up.

#9
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 06, 2006, 11:11:02 pm
historymajor,

We can't make this stuff up.

His dad (Gerry Dick) is a TV personality in Indianapolis - hosts Inside Indiana Business on Ch. 13.

I doubt Spud will be hurting for job opportunities when he graduates.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on September 06, 2006, 11:15:11 pm
Tell me, at least, that "Spud" is not on his birth certificate. Please tell me this is a nickname.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on September 07, 2006, 09:41:00 am
Tell me, at least, that "Spud" is not on his birth certificate. Please tell me this is a nickname.

his real name is Clarence but his parents didn't want him to be teased growing up...nice family...parents, Gerry and Wanda along with 2 younger sisters, Anita and Ima...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 07, 2006, 10:26:14 am
Tell me, at least, that "Spud" is not on his birth certificate. Please tell me this is a nickname.

his real name is Clarence but his parents didn't want him to be teased growing up...nice family...parents, Gerry and Wanda along with 2 younger sisters, Anita and Ima...

Stop it! :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HoosierQBScout on September 07, 2006, 08:37:11 pm
It's interesting to me that the Wabash guys are so excited, almost giddy, to talk about Dick. Oh, that's right....I forgot.... ;D ;D   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: benbraddock on September 07, 2006, 08:46:23 pm
ZING...


I also find this funny.    :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on September 07, 2006, 08:56:15 pm
after what has transpired at DePauw, the term "dick or dicked" should have a new meaning...for example, Rogers "dicked" recruits, DePauw "dicked" Rogers...and everybody got "dicked"...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HoosierQBScout on September 07, 2006, 09:04:00 pm
after what has transpired at DePauw, the term "dick or dicked" should have a new meaning...for example, Rogers "dicked" recruits, DePauw "dicked" Rogers...and everybody got "dicked"...


CASE CLOSED!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 08, 2006, 10:00:38 am
Shameless plug for the weekend:   I hope that Austin College fans are planning to come out in full force this weekend for the McM-AC game.  While you're at the game, do please stop by and say "hi", as I'll be on the field shooting pictures of the game.

Also, don't forget to check out images from the contest under the "Photo Galleries" link on the front page of this site.  Parents and players, remember that any purchases of photos from the games you choose to make help to support the ongoing operation of d3football.com!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on September 08, 2006, 10:01:16 am
just got a call from Spud's grandmother, Ophelia...seemed like a nice elderly lady...she just asked why are we bringing up Clarence so much...she also never realized that there were so many Dicks on this website   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on September 08, 2006, 03:54:57 pm

Wow.  The references to Mr. Dick seem to get increasingly funny with each post. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 08, 2006, 05:24:14 pm
You can't stop Scotty...you can only hope to contain him.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldACguy on September 08, 2006, 06:51:46 pm
what happened to him?  did he get fired or take another job...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tigerpop on September 08, 2006, 07:27:03 pm
People, it's supposed to be about football.... What do you folks out there think about the Trinity / TLU match-up?  It sounds like there was some big time performances around the SCAC last week.  Is there anyone out there that could threaten Trinity's dominance? 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on September 08, 2006, 08:01:54 pm
what happened to him?  did he get fired or take another job...

Coach Rogers or scotty...1 got "released" and 1 should be "contained"...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 08, 2006, 10:27:22 pm
Enough Dick jokes, people.    ::)

what happened to him?  did he get fired or take another job...

The school announced last November (http://www.austincollege.edu/NewsDetail.asp?NewsID=499&ItemID=3483) that Norman was stepping down to take on a new role, to wit:

Effective Jan. 1, 2006, Norman will become Assistant Director of Athletics and Department Chair for Exercise and Sports Science.   Norman’s new role will encompass both fund- and friend-raising responsibilities that are needed for the College’s impending transition into the Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference (SCAC) in the 2006-2007 season.

He is currently listed in the campus directory at that position.  Personally, I think it's a shame that after years of trying to compete against ASC schools that Norman wasn't given the chance to compete on a level field.  Perhaps he was just ready to move onto new challenges at this point. 

I'm going up to Sherman tomorrow (what the hey, it's only a half hour away) to see what Coach Gage can do with his squad after the debacle in Seguin.  McM lost to a Menlo team that had a huge losing streak going so it actually should be a competetive contest. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 08, 2006, 10:37:44 pm
People, it's supposed to be about football.... What do you folks out there think about the Trinity / TLU match-up?  It sounds like there was some big time performances around the SCAC last week.  Is there anyone out there that could threaten Trinity's dominance? 

Two teams that played very well at home on both offense and defense.  I think Trinity's opponent was a little more of a challenge than TLU's;  additionally the fact that AC didn't get to scrimmage anyone this year did hurt.  Same could be said about ETBU, tho, as those two teams were supposed to scrimmage.   At the same time it is the first time in some while that TLU will face Trinity as their second game rather than as their season opener.  (TLU QB) Vivyal is going to pressure the secondary much more than the ETBU QBs last week.   I think TU will win, but it won't be easy.  It seemingly never is against TLU these days. 

Can anyone challenge?  Let's wait a week or two.  I want to see how DPU looks tomorrow, and Sewanee impressed with their win last weekend.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on September 09, 2006, 05:04:06 pm
Some first impressions from DePauw's opener, a 25-13 win over Anderson that was closer than the score would indicate:

-Jeremiah Marks is really good. 200 yards on 32 carries, despite the fact that Anderson KNEW he was going to be getting the ball on pretty much every single play.

-The Tigers QB situation still isn't solved. Abe Winkle wasn't bad, but he sure wasn't good, either. Teams aren't going to respect the passing game unless he can make better decisions in the pocket. Of his 11 incompletions, about 4 of them were into double coverage, and 3 of them just weren't very good throws. They brought in the backup, Gary Ehlebracht, for a series, and it was ugly - he got sacked on the first play. Winkle's clearly the better of those two, though after today I'm willing to bet we see Spud Dick at some point this season.

-DePauw's D-line is as good as it gets. They were getting in the backfield on every single play. Teams are going to try and double team Dustin Hertel? Fine, that leaves a weak-side tackle on Luis Davila, and after today I can safely say that's a bad idea. Michael McNelis had 4 TFL in the interior. The linebackers, particularly Eric Lewis, were all over the field as well.

Overall, not a great offensive performance save Marks, who was phenomenal. Defensively, this unit is just as good, if not better, than last year's crew. I'm already ready to say that when this team goes down to San Antonio, expect scores in the low teens.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 09, 2006, 05:56:30 pm
Austin College lost to McMurry 23-0 today, but the score easily could have been much tighter than that.  AC had two first and goals which resulted in zero points.  At the end of the first half, a plunge into the line with 0:15 remaining was short, AC had used up all its timeouts, and could not reset in time.  Another fourth-and-inches ended up with an AC player in the end zone with the ball, but the ball was fumbled into the end zone by another AC player and by rule was ruled a touchback.  AC also missed two short field goals in the first quarter. 

If the team continues to improve they will win a couple of SCAC games.  Despite being smaller and slower than their opponent, AC had a fairly effective passing game, and the running game had its moments.    Total yardage should have been fairly close. 

McMurry had two nice drives, scored on a 30-yard fumble return after someone put a hat on the ball and right into the hands of a defender, and a safety. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 09, 2006, 06:01:51 pm
I think TU will win, but it won't be easy.  It seemingly never is against TLU these days. 

... and, dammit!, it's about time.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on September 09, 2006, 08:11:04 pm
Very entertaining game in Montgomery today. Like last week HC made several mistakes early and spotted Sewanee a 10-0 lead in the first quarter. But with a little trickeration end-around TD pass and a int. returned for a TD HC quickly took the lead for good in the second quarter. It could have gotten real close in the third with HC leading 30-17 and Sewanee driving with the help of a couple of good Mears runs, Mears diving for the endzone loses the ball and HC returns it 100+ yds for a TD. Really helpful 14 point swing there.
Huntingdon seems to have gotten back on track with this one. Still a few too many penalties at inopportune times but overall looked good. Brandon Smith ran the ball real well on offense and I don't know yet how many tackles Granger Shook had but he was all over the field today for the Hawks D along with being thisclose to getting a pick 6 and also a huge block on the 100+ yd fumble return.
Looking forward to our trip to Millsaps next week.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 09, 2006, 08:22:21 pm
Trinity trails 7-3 or 7-2 at the half as QB Barmore is out.  TU posting 4-of-16 passing at the half, 61 total yards, TLU with 119.  Trinity had a fourth-and-goal  from the one but could not convert. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on September 09, 2006, 08:33:18 pm
Good grief, could the announcers on KRTU be any LESS lively?  One guy (Bob I think it is) sounds like Milton from Office Space - I'm waiting for him to start mumbling about where his stapler is.  I don't know if I can take this on every road trip!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on September 09, 2006, 10:34:33 pm
One disappointing thing about today's game, I was told by a player's dad that this was the last HC-Sewanee game for the forseeable future. That figures, you start beating people and they don't want to play anymore. Doesn't make sense to me. Besides LaGrange starting this year and B'ham-Southern next, they are the nearest D3 team to us. I figured with these other new programs we would be able to cut out some the long road trips but if this is how it's going to be, I guess not. I'm sorry for the rant but I just really hated to hear this.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on September 09, 2006, 10:44:06 pm
Wow.... what an odd day.

Not trying to rub it in, it's a serious question:

When's the last time Trinity and Wabash lost on the same day? 

I'd say it's cause for celebration in Greencastle.

I'd like to agree with a lot of the things that Lefty said.  I was in back in town to see the game today, and thought the offense started very slowly.  It seemed like DPU became more committed to the run late, and they were able to make some hay when they gave up on the pass.  Winkle made a couple bad throws both mentally and mecanichally, but handled himself well overall in his first career start.

Defense was excellent.  Plain and simple.  I was a little concerned about the LB corps, but Farrow, Lewis, and Brandstatter/McElwain all played pretty well in my eyes.

Anderson's RB was legit, and the D held the Ravens to 10 rushing yards in the first half. 

Tigers still with some things to work on for next week.  We'll see how they look against the Dutchmen.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 09, 2006, 10:56:55 pm
Into every life a little rain must fall ... tho TU having to go most of the way with their scout team QB didn't help.  Making your first college start against TLU's defense is kind of tough. 

Hopefully Barmore's not hurt too bad, there wasn't much info available on the call tonight.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 09, 2006, 11:04:13 pm
Hawks, The SCAC moves to an 8-game conference schedule next year with the addition of Colorado College and BSC.   That only leaves 2 non-conference games.

Sewanee has the choice of Maryville and LaGrange as opponents, too.

IMHO, the next step for the GSAC schools is to merge into the "Southern Division" of a larger USAC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 10, 2006, 08:57:47 am

Hopefully Barmore's not hurt too bad, there wasn't much info available on the call tonight.


Per today's San Antonio Express-News, Barmore suffered a concussion.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 10, 2006, 09:38:18 am
Per today's San Antonio Express-News, Barmore suffered a concussion.

Thanks, WT.  Same article (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/localcolleges/stories/MYSA091006.15C.FBCtlu.trinity.3581659.html) also said Cannon was unavailable due to a "team violation." 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 10, 2006, 09:57:49 am
Per today's San Antonio Express-News, Barmore suffered a concussion.

Thanks, WT.  Same article (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/localcolleges/stories/MYSA091006.15C.FBCtlu.trinity.3581659.html) also said Cannon was unavailable due to a "team violation." 


... and I hope Barmore's concussion wasn't a severe one. Head injuries are tricky.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on September 10, 2006, 03:04:28 pm
When's the last time Trinity and Wabash lost on the same day?

It appears the answer to your question is October 16, 2004. Wabash lost 33-30 to Wooster in Crawfordsville. Trinity lost 30-14 to Azusa Pacific in San Antonio.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 10, 2006, 11:54:41 pm
Ron,

It was fun to finally meet some of the distinguished posters on this board face-to-face at the AC game.  ;D Putting faces and names together for you, Gray Fox and Josh was a real pleasure. 

I know that Trinity playing without their first two QB's was a dreadful disadvantage and it is hard to compare but I feel this makes AC's 45-0 loss to Texas Lutheran the first week look a little better in regard to the SCAC landscape.   I hope AC can win their next two contests and at least come into San Antonio on a little bit of a roll. ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 11, 2006, 12:06:29 am
roo, sorry that I missed you!  I had to be out of town.

I would be wary of the 23-0 defeat from McMurry.  I saw that Menlo only lost to Southern Oregon by 13-16, so the Oaks may be stronger than last year.  The 14-0 loss should have been 14-7 according to Northwest Conference veteran poster, cawcdad.

McMurry lost so much in Sellers at QB and defensive players like Thompson and Colby Witt.

The McM game against LC will be a big one.  That will give me a better handle on them.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on September 11, 2006, 09:46:12 am
Hawks, The SCAC moves to an 8-game conference schedule next year with the addition of Colorado College and BSC.   That only leaves 2 non-conference games.

Sewanee has the choice of Maryville and LaGrange as opponents, too.

IMHO, the next step for the GSAC schools is to merge into the "Southern Division" of a larger USAC.
Yeah, I guess I forgot about their 8-game conference schedule for a minute there. Well, maybe some of the others will be able to keep finding room for us until somebody can get that USAC merger worked out.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 11, 2006, 10:25:33 am
According to an article in today's Express-News (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/localcolleges/stories/MYSA091106.8D.Trinity.8931b009.html),  Blake Barmore is "out of the fog" from the concussion suffered against TLU.  Coach Mohr is quoted as saying his status for the game against Redlands is up to the doctors.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on September 11, 2006, 10:58:32 am

My, how times have changed.  Mike Burton only came off the field when the game was out of reach for four years despite seemingly playing with a concussion every other week.  I was always glad that we won, but I was also usually a little apprehensive about Coach Mohr's decision to put him back in sometimes.  Anyway, I'm glad Blake was taken out if he was really at risk.  Down to their third qb and second tailback, it looks like we managed to stay in the game.  I think we're going to be okay if the defense can keep it up.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 11, 2006, 11:06:35 am
BFB... the QB situation is up in the air.  Hope Barmore recovers quickly and fully.

I don't remember a situation in my 10 years following TU football where the third QB was 'thrown into action' the way Bryant Wilson was Saturday....  you're right that he seemed to get his 'sea-legs' in the fourth qtr,,, but it was too little, too late...  It's tough to take all your reps with 2's and 3's and get thrown to the 'Bulldogs' in your baptism by fire....  The TLU defense deserves credit, because they are always tough and getting tougher..  they must have outweighed our young o-line by 15-20 per man...  Farney is the only one who 'matched-up'.

Well non-con games...  the big one will be DePauw...  let's hope we can field a stable and healthy squad for that one...  Redlands next Saturday will tell us if we've regrouped or not!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 11, 2006, 03:12:08 pm
Ron,

It was fun to finally meet some of the distinguished posters on this board face-to-face at the AC game.  ;D Putting faces and names together for you, Gray Fox and Josh was a real pleasure. 

I know that Trinity playing without their first two QB's was a dreadful disadvantage and it is hard to compare but I feel this makes AC's 45-0 loss to Texas Lutheran the first week look a little better in regard to the SCAC landscape.   I hope AC can win their next two contests and at least come into San Antonio on a little bit of a roll. ;)

Hey roocru, the pleasure was all mine.  As you know from being there the game was far from a 23-0 whitewash, except on the scoreboard.   Gage has 'em going the right direction, with a year or two to recruit the D/FW area they should be contenders. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 11, 2006, 03:16:30 pm
It was fun meeting up with you, roocru, and getting together again with Ron.  It was also a nice, unexpected treat meeting up with Gray Fox.

I'll look forward to the HSU/UMHB game in Belton, roocru.  Maybe we can grab some lunch before that one.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tutiger on September 11, 2006, 05:10:55 pm
What really stands out to me about the Trinity loss is the fact that they had a punt blocked.  That probably hasn't happened in a decade.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dpuinaz on September 11, 2006, 05:12:20 pm
Guys, get a room....


just kidding.


Any predictions for this week?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 12, 2006, 02:45:09 am
TU JV's got some revenge against TLU tonite 28-0.....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TU2698 on September 12, 2006, 10:11:28 am

In my first year at Trinity, Coach Mohr embarked on a mission to have no more kicks blocked because he discovered that teams who suffer such a fate lose more often than they win.  In the first half of that season, I think we had at least two or three blocked and we won our first nine games.  I seem to remember it happening more than it probably should have for a team that won as much as we did.  It made me realize how talented and deep we were.

I think the issue is that we were down to our 3rd string qb and our back up tailback.  Clearly defense did the job and offense did not.  It's not like that one blocked kick put the game out of reach.  Offense should have been able to cover that. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on September 12, 2006, 11:27:07 am
I thought I recalled somebody mentioning that Cannon was suspended for the TLU game for a team violation or something or other.  Does that mean he'll be playing this week?  Anybody with any info on that?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on September 12, 2006, 08:34:35 pm
(El Tea Gray---re: D3football.com Poll)

Trinity's 9-14 loss to TLU (under the various circumstances posted above) dropped the Tigers from 24th last week to 42nd in this week's D3football.com Poll.

I have seen both of the Trinity games this season; "42nd in the poll, No-Way"   ???

P.S. With the win TLU moves up to 20th in the poll; then Trinity must be "at or about 21st"    ???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dawgs go deep on September 13, 2006, 01:08:25 am
From a Redlands fan........I hope your qbis OK and can play. It is a terrible thing when a kid who works his tail off gets jurt and has to sit out.  I wish him well and hope he can play.

any predictions on the game?  I sure hope its a good one and the Dawgs can regroup from last week.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scacman on September 13, 2006, 09:48:07 am
Injuries and team rules are both perils that young men have to face and recover from...

Hopefully the qb corps will be back at full strength, and Redlands sees the real TU team...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 13, 2006, 10:40:58 am
Images from Saturday's game between McMurry and Austin College can now be viewed under the Photo Galleries link on the front page.  Check them out!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on September 13, 2006, 09:59:27 pm
(El Tea Gray---re: D3football.com Poll)

I have seen both of the Trinity games this season; "42nd in the poll, No-Way"   ???

P.S. With the win TLU moves up to 20th in the poll; then Trinity must be "at or about 21st"    ???

With TU's offense looking the way it has the past 2 games, there is no way they should be in the top 30, much less #21.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on September 14, 2006, 08:35:21 pm
ttu719803,

Let's "reserve" a final opinion on the Tiger's current ranking in the poll at least until after this Saturday's game; probably even better until after the following week's game.

Ok?                                               "Black  :)  Flag"



 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on September 14, 2006, 09:44:44 pm
Word around the DePauw campus has it that Spud Dick will get the start this Saturday at Hope.

If Coach Walker is committed to starting Dick this season, it's obviously better to give him his first start at home against a team like Hope than it would be to throw him into the fire next week in San Antonio.

I'm excited to see what Dick is capable of.

(That's what she said.)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 4thANDaLONG4 on September 14, 2006, 10:21:03 pm
I don't know DICK, Do you know DICK?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on September 14, 2006, 10:41:12 pm
After a couple of Monon Bell wins, this Dick in particular will be one of the few that you Wabash folk don't like.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on September 14, 2006, 11:21:14 pm
ttu719803,

Let's "reserve" a final opinion on the Tiger's current ranking in the poll at least until after this Saturday's game; probably even better until after the following week's game.

Ok?                                               "Black  :)  Flag"

 

If we're talking about CURRENT ranking, then it only includes the past 2 games.  If you want to wait until after this week's game, then talk about next week's rankings.

OK?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 15, 2006, 01:52:17 am
According to today's Trinitonian (http://media.www.trinitonian.com/media/storage/paper819/news/2006/09/15/Sports/Offense.Fails.Tigers.For.1st.Defeat.In.3.Seasons-2279469.shtml?sourcedomain=www.trinitonian.com&MIIHost=media.collegepublisher.com), Jacob Cannon is the likely starter at QB on Saturday (vs Redlands).   Coach Mohr is quoted as saying there is an "outside" chance Blake Barmore could play. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: benbraddock on September 16, 2006, 02:58:57 pm