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Title: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2007, 07:24:46 PM
I realize the 2006-2007 season has not come to a close... but its not too early to look ahead and that means a new conference in the Mid-Atlantic or Atlantic Region (Pat is so thoughtfully linking this posting board to both regions!).

So... welcome to Catholic, Drew, Goucher, Juniata, Merchant Marine, Moravian, Scranton, and Susquehanna to the new "Landmark Conference." While I don't think an "official" website has been launched, Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landmark_Conference) already has a page about the conference, so enjoy the quick read (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landmark_Conference).

Now... some news to know:

- Schedule:
After much debate (from what I heard), the conference has decided on a combination of a Friday/Saturday and Saturday/Sunday schedule.
Half of the schools wanted on version, the other wanted half. I know a tentative schedule has been decided on with at least dates... with the first games taking place on Dec. 1st, 4th, and 5th between travel partnerts and the final game will be Feb. 23rd - again between travel partners. The first true travel weekend will be Jan. 11th and 12th.
Also, the first game of the weekend will be played in the evenings... the second during the afternoon (unless it is on Saturday and a school gets permission to play at night as well).

- Travel Partners are as follows:
Catholic & Goucher
Juniata & Susquehanna
Scranton & Moravian
Merchant Marine & Drew

- Conference Championship Tournaments:
I believe this will only involve the top four teams with the first round being played on Wednesday, Feb. 27th at the higher seeds.
The championship game will be played on Saturday, March 1st - also at the higher seeds.
Unless it changes, this conference will have to withstand two years of Pool B - no automatic qualification - for two years.

I think that about covers it for now... let the posting... begin!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 20, 2007, 08:09:34 PM
Dave, Thanks for the start of some information on the LC. It seems a bit odd that the champion of the Landmark will be at the mercy of an at-large bid, especially considering the rather rich history many members bring to the table. Since many UofS Alumni are from & are living in DC. & Northern Virginia...I know they are very excited about the Catholic/Goucher weekend as are the NYC crew when the games are played at Drew & on the Island. Thanks again & please share as info. becomes available.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2007, 08:33:10 PM
I would expect the conference will not have to worry about its champ getting in in women's basketball.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2007, 10:14:36 PM
Yeah - I am thinking the women's basketball side of this equation is going to be fine for the two years they will be up for the Pool B bids. I think some Pool B teams aren't going to enjoy the fact at all!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2007, 10:17:06 PM
It's basically a swap, eight Landmark teams into Pool B and seven PrAC teams out.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2007, 10:21:12 PM
Ah... true... +k for you Mr. Coleman... not that you really need any more! :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2007, 08:36:33 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2007, 10:17:06 PM
It's basically a swap, eight Landmark teams into Pool B and seven PrAC teams out.

Yes, Scranton and Moravian for Thomas More and W&J/Westminster!

The GSAC may be glad that they got their AQ!

The NAthCon will be glad to get its, too,
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 05, 2007, 12:10:00 AM
Royals bball schedule is up on school web site; room for 3 more games; no Kings yet.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: roy_a on June 05, 2007, 09:35:13 AM
Ronk, The Lady Royals will be playing 2-3 games when they take thier holiday trip. I think this year the go to Puerto Rico. It sure looks like Kings will not happen but perhaps Desales.....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on June 08, 2007, 01:16:10 PM
Could the S.I.D.'s for Moravian & Susquehanna put up their 07-08 schedules, please?  This DVC fan would love to know who the Aggies will be facing in the Pepsi-Weis opening tourney.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 08, 2007, 09:14:40 PM
I'm sure they have e-mail addresses you could send to rather than placing your personal messages on this board.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on June 09, 2007, 04:50:45 AM
Quote from: kate on June 08, 2007, 01:16:10 PM
Could the S.I.D.'s for Moravian & Susquehanna put up their 07-08 schedules, please?  This DVC fan would love to know who the Aggies will be facing in the Pepsi-Weis opening tourney.  Thanks!

Kate: You might wish to cut these SIDs a bit of slack because,

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on June 09, 2007, 08:52:25 PM
Hype, people - excitement - isn't anyone else anxious to know who's playing who???  Last year, e-mails & snail mail went out to the guys in charge of the Surf City Classic in California & NOTHING!  What better way to let folks know fans really care about games in the 07-08 season.  Especially since this is the start of BIG things with the league changes - HYPE!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: roy_a on June 11, 2007, 09:23:25 AM
Okay...we are about 5 months prior to the start of the inaugural Landmark Conference.  Any fans of the teams out there who can bring us up to speed on your respective teams? I will give a preliminary update on Scranton.---First we loose 2, 1000pt scorers. One of which is Taryn  Mellody  a 3 time All American, and the 2nd, Allison Matt, was one of the best pt gaurds in the Mac-Freedom over the last decade. In addition we loose the leagues best shot blocker in Tiffany Williams. Couple that with loosing the leadership and poise of Casey Thran and we look to be in dire straights.....But hold on for a moment....


We return one of the best D3 coaches in history in Mike Strong---granted he does not play, however, he sees the situation better than anyone and has the ability to fix it. Apart from a lot of Freshmen coming in to compete this year we do bring a lot back. Considering the changing strting lineups as well as the generous switching of players a lot of our gals have seen significant playing time. First off we have Stephanie Remington, great defense as well as the ability to shoot lights out. We return last years lone frosh, Ryan Mooney, one of the fiercest defenseive players I have ever seen.... Now, big girls, Michele Fabio, Kathleen Daly, the resturn of 6'3" Molly Klusek and it looks like Scranton will be in contention again....It will be very interesting to see how we match up in a new league though...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on June 12, 2007, 07:01:09 PM
Many thanks to the S.I.D. for Susquehanna!  New season's schedule is up :)!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 12, 2007, 11:52:05 PM
Quote from: roy_a on June 11, 2007, 09:23:25 AM
. Apart from a lot of Freshmen coming in to compete this year we do bring a lot back. .

roy_a,
   Any info on these  freshmen;I haven't seen anything yet.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 21, 2007, 10:37:25 AM
Noticed the league Web site is available:

http://www.landmarkconference.org
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on June 21, 2007, 10:42:19 AM
nice website.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 21, 2007, 10:47:51 AM
Presto's sites generally look good.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 22, 2007, 07:43:05 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on June 21, 2007, 10:37:25 AM
Noticed the league Web site is available:

http://www.landmarkconference.org
The Poll on the right side asked the question about my favortie part of the website.

QuoteWhat is your favorite part of the Landmark Conference web site? 
Exciting Landmark Conference Logo
Easy Navigation
Schedule and Standings
Overall Design

Will the conference logo get another star as they add a member?   :D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 22, 2007, 10:14:14 AM
Seems simple enough to change. Unlike the Empire 9. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on June 23, 2007, 07:56:59 AM
Definitely nicer than the NJAC website.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 29, 2007, 11:31:32 PM
   The first 3 recruits for the Lady Royals were announced today on the athletics web site. Implies more to come.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: roy_a on July 26, 2007, 05:52:08 PM
The Lady Royals sports family lost a true gentlemen with the passing of Womens Soccer coach JOE BOCHICCHIO. Joe was the soccer coach for nearly 25 years and was truly a nice man. My thoughts and prayers to his family.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on July 27, 2007, 05:27:44 PM
I'm feeling older since I remember Joe from youth baseball then high school football at West Scranton.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on July 27, 2007, 11:49:27 PM
Thanks for posting this .....a very sad story out of Scranton. Thoughts and Prayers for his family, friends and the University.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardinalRed on September 17, 2007, 09:11:35 PM
Expect a good Freshman class out of Catholic this year. The past two years have been decent recruiting classes with Linderoth and Gray. Expect a drop off though because of the loss of Rojas,Deborger, and Mertz.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on October 11, 2007, 02:40:55 PM
Red-

There'll be a drop off without those 3 - CUA's three top scorers last season. But even with them CUA was in the bottom half of the CAC last year. 

The key to how CUA does this year will probably be the level of competition in Landmark. Goucher probably will be near the bottom and Scranton at the top, but apart from that, the league doesn't seem too clear to me - pretty non descript. How does Catholic stack up against the rest of the league?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 11, 2007, 10:27:48 PM
   Significant graduation losses this year for Scranton, so unless some incoming freshmen can start, they shouldn't be as strong as the last 5 years.
   Moravian usually has an above-average team and I was impressed with the new CU coach 2 years ago when they defeated Scranton in an early season game.
   Could be an interesting season with unfamiliar teams from 4 different leagues playing each other.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardinalRed on October 13, 2007, 11:01:53 AM
I think the reason that CUA was in the bottom half last year was because of the injury to our best big (wo)man. Linderoth hurt her knee and was forced to sit out most of the year. This forced shannon mertz to take on much of the load, and she handled it well. The freshman class last year stepped it up. It is interesting to see if there is a sophmore slump or not. Justine Gray has what it takes to hold down the back court. They will need someone to step up as a shooting guard. Also a returning sophmore is Kate Robinson who is a rebounding machine. I look for the Lady Cards to finish at the worst, 3rd in the new conference. Coach Carey definetly has what it takes to lead this team to the conference championship. I think the record should improve because the Landmark isnt as deep as the CAC.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on October 13, 2007, 05:00:54 PM
Insightful, Red. Thanks.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on November 07, 2007, 04:08:31 PM
Catholic U is listing 11 freshmen on a 17 player roster; a new look for a new league  ;D
http://www.cuacardinals.com/sports/wbkb/2007-08/roster
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cacfan2 on November 14, 2007, 10:15:55 PM
11 Freshmen.  Did she clean house ???  Did she need to?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on November 15, 2007, 10:43:37 AM
CUA graduated 3 of its 4 top players of last season. They liked to shoot 3s, but those players graduated. Several others haven't returned but I don't know why. Linderoth is the returning impact player. CUA will be a young team this year - no seniors. It looks like a rebuilding year which isn't too great a prospect since they only reached mediocrity in the CAC last year. Maybe they will find Landmark more to their liking.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 17, 2007, 10:26:41 AM
The Lady Royals pull one out last evening. How do you replace 70% of your scoring? Who will want the ball in crunch time? It may take 1/3 of the season for these things to play out. Two pretty dry years of recruiting have now left the Lady Royals both senior & freshman heavy with virtually zero experience in between. The good news is that all the seniors have a wealth of playing time...the unknown factor is how well the freshman can make the adjustment & contribute.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: roy_a on November 17, 2007, 03:46:07 PM
Saratoga..Interesting questions....The one player in between the Seniors and the Frosh is Ryan Mooney, one of our best defensive recruits in years. How do you replace 70% of your scoring???? Tough to answer that one but keep in mind the gals who backed up Taryn and Allison wouyd have started for 80% of the teams we played over the last 2 years, so the cupboard is far from empty. Their roles are now different so it should indeed be interesting. Also, the return of 6'3" Molly Klusek will be invalueable.



See ya in 2 weeks......
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on November 18, 2007, 11:08:37 AM
The Catholic University women's basketball team (2-0) used a second half comeback to get the 60-56 victory over the Rutgers-Newark Scarlet Raiders (1-1) at the host's preseason tournament Saturday afternoon.

Sophomore Kate Robinson (Emmitsburg, Md./Catoctin High School) hit a layup to open the second half but that would be as close as the Cards would come for awhile as Rutgers-Newark charged out of the gates taking a 15-point lead at 16:28. Just minutes later, however, CUA finally got on track and used a total team effort to go on a 8-0 run of its own to cut the lead to three. At 9:34 Christina Rogers (Monmouth Beach, N.J./Red Bank Catholic) made two layups in a row to take the lead for the first time since early in the opening half. From that point on it was anybody's game but with three minutes left Linderoth sank a jumper to give the Cards the lead which they managed to hold onto for the 60-56 win.

Schiavoni led all scorers with 17 points and Peterson added 13. Linderoth scored eight points and posted as many boards. The Cardinals were accuate from the field in the second half as they shot 66.7 percent from three and 55.6 percent from the floor.
Juniors Kristen Linderoth (Spring Lake, N.J./Red Bank Catholic) and Jessica Schiavoni (Winchester, Va./John Handley) were both named all tournament after a pair of outstanding performances this weekend.



The Cards will open up at the DuFour Center with a game versus Trinity (D.C.) on Wednesday at 1 p.m.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardinalRed on November 18, 2007, 11:27:25 AM
I just want to start by saying this year will not be in any way a rebuilding effort for the CUA Womens Basketball team. Albeit they have 11 freshman, these freshman showed great composure satuday night in Rutgers.The team started slow against a more athletic Rutgers-Newark team. Catholic was bigger and stronger and took that to their advantage. They forced R.N. to shoot from the outside, which is their strong point, but in the end Catholic was getting hands in their faces on the outside while still dominating down low. After sophmore standout Justine Gray went down after going up for a lay up and landing awkwardly on her knee, freshman guard Christina Rogers stepped up to take control. The Juniors on this Catholic team are playing like seniors. Jessica Schiavoni (Tournament MVP) has continued to improve since her freshman year. She has stepped up as a team captain and leader. Kristen Linderoth is back and has also stepped up as a leader. The sophmores are playing like juniors. Justine Gray is the third captain and an emotional leader on and off the court. Her injury may affect the Lady Cards but it is uncertain whether or not it is serious. Kate Robinson is back in form and is starting off her sophmore year the way she ended her sensational freshman year. This team may look young on paper, but in no way do i believe this is a "Rebuilding" year. I fully expect this Cardinal team to challenge the best of the Landmark Conference this year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 18, 2007, 05:23:30 PM
Susquehanna wins its own Pepsi/Weis Markets Tip-Off Tournament, 55-53 over Elmira. Not bad for a young team.

Sophomore transfer Ashley Watkins made the All-Tourney team and senior Ruth Williamson was MVP.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 05, 2007, 12:00:07 AM
Under the category of "Are You Freakin Kidding Me"...Scranton women lose to Moraivan at home. Not a clue on offense, too many reach in fouls that put the Greyhounds on the line & not nearly enough playing time for their best 3 point shooter & outside threat. On the other hand... great game plan by Mary Beth. Who says good coaches arn't worth at least 5 points for their team??? As I've stated before, two straight years of non-recruiting, the lack of bringing in a true point guard two years ago to study under Allie & coaches that are aggressive & understand the game & are GREAT recruiters are currently having their way with the Lady Royals. It certainly may get worse before it even gets close to being better. On Friday vs. Hamilton...I see Hamilton winning by 10. When was the last time I ever even entertained the notion the Lady Royals were the underdog? At HOME??? Tonights game set Scranton basketball back 25 years...if not more. By the way, this will now officially end Scranton's reign of being in the TOP 25 since the Neolithic era.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 07, 2007, 11:09:00 AM
Quote from: saratoga on December 05, 2007, 12:00:07 AM
I see Hamilton winning by 10. When was the last time I ever even entertained the notion the Lady Royals were the underdog? At HOME??? Tonights game set Scranton basketball back 25 years...if not more. By the way, this will now officially end Scranton's reign of being in the TOP 25 since the Neolithic era.


I can't tell if this is a joke or note..............please tell me it is... ???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on December 08, 2007, 10:49:35 AM
Quote from: CardinalRed on November 18, 2007, 11:27:25 AM
I just want to start by saying this year will not be in any way a rebuilding effort for the CUA Womens Basketball team. . . . This team may look young on paper, but in no way do i believe this is a "Rebuilding" year. I fully expect this Cardinal team to challenge the best of the Landmark Conference this year.

After seeing them play Mary Washington last night, I still think it is a rebuilding year. That's not a slight, just a description. Linderoth is the experience and the strength. The freshmen are talented but freshmen. The coach has dropped the shoot 3s all night approach and is playing more aggressively and wide open with this bunch. They started 3 frosh and the first 2 off the bench were also freshmen. They played hard but didn't shoot well. There is a good future in store if they stay together for 4 years but this season is rebuilding. I don't know the strength of Landmark, but Catholic would be in the middle of the pack in the CAC.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardinalRed on December 08, 2007, 08:45:17 PM
Quote from: bbald eagle on December 08, 2007, 10:49:35 AM
Quote from: CardinalRed on November 18, 2007, 11:27:25 AM
I just want to start by saying this year will not be in any way a rebuilding effort for the CUA Womens Basketball team. . . . This team may look young on paper, but in no way do i believe this is a "Rebuilding" year. I fully expect this Cardinal team to challenge the best of the Landmark Conference this year.

After seeing them play Mary Washington last night, I still think it is a rebuilding year. That's not a slight, just a description. Linderoth is the experience and the strength. The freshmen are talented but freshmen. The coach has dropped the shoot 3s all night approach and is playing more aggressively and wide open with this bunch. They started 3 frosh and the first 2 off the bench were also freshmen. They played hard but didn't shoot well. There is a good future in store if they stay together for 4 years but this season is rebuilding. I don't know the strength of Landmark, but Catholic would be in the middle of the pack in the CAC.



I still disagree with the rebuilding description. I said that the Lady Cards were not a rebuilding team before we lost another starter, Kate Robinson. Mary Wash is a good team, to an extent. Kristen Linderoth outplayed the All-American, Liz Hickey. In fact, Hickey should have fouled out with 5:00 mins left. The C.A.C. officials gave it to another player, who was behind the foul. We started three freshmen because we have lost starting point guard Justine Gray and starting G/F Kate Robinson to injuries.
       I also would like to add the show that MWU puts on after a game is completely disgraceful and disrespectful. The team, instructed by Coach Deena Applebury, joins at mid-court, on top of the Cardinal, and tries to chant their mascot name "Eagles." I'm sure this happens after every game and I am okay with it if they are at HOME in Fredericksburg. You don't pull that kind of stunt on the road. I do not know Coach Applebury on a personal level and will not pass judgment on her, but if she thinks because she's ranked number one in the nation she can disregard respect and rules she needs to be told differently.  Representing the CAC like that on the road will get you alot of enemies and I think she should re-think the ways she celebrates her wins. It's a shame that she ruined the game with a classless act like that and I think it is unfortunate that these two will probably not play each other for awhile. I wish that CUA will play the Eagles next when MWU is "Rebuilding" so they can show what real respect is. I would like to add that standing up for the CUA name and all it stands for shows the integrity that Coach Carey has in not letting Coach Applebury's team celebrate on the logo. Catholic has 10 freshman and they do not need to see some other team celebrating on their logo.
     Finally the point I want to end with is one I stated earlier.  Kristen Linderoth out-played UMW's All-Americans and deserves to get recognition for that. Linderoth is a tremendous player and IS an All-American. To battle back from a knee injury and get back to the level of the play was at before the injury (and surpassing that level to the highest play she has showed in two years) is simply remarkable. I hope she gets the recognition in the weeks and months to come.
     Good Luck to the Mens and Women Cardinals next week as they both play Villa Julie. GO CARDS!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on December 09, 2007, 10:36:23 AM
Wow.

Maybe its a "developmental" or "growing" year for CUA more than a "rebuilding" season?

I thought Linderoth played extremely well - she is the strength of the team - but the CUA frosh post covered Hickey more than she did, and they did a good job except on the base line, which the CUA coach pointed out more than once. If Linderoth plays like that the entire year, you'll have a good case she's an All-American.

The refs did a lousy job at the end of the game, after it was already decided. Most of the bad calls went in favor of UMW. It looked to me like the refs gave two of Hickey's fouls to other players - and one to her that she hadn't committed. I thought she had fouled out twice. But don't blame it on CAC refs. I don't know if these three also call CAC games but this game was at CUA which hired the refs and I assume contracts for Landmark refs.

After the game, the CUA players left for the locker and the UMW players put their hands together at center court for a cheer. There was no way it was obnoxious. The CUA coach called her players back to center court and demanded that UMW leave - which they did - and then when all the players had gone, she went over to the UMW bench and got in the face of the UMW coach. A big overreaction by the CUA coach in my opinion.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardinalRed on December 09, 2007, 11:33:45 AM
Yea i agree the refs were bad and that the game was already decided. I do think it is unfortunate that we are still using CAC officials for games between CAC and Landmark teams. As for the postgame, I think if you had heard what Coach Carey was saying and what Coach Applebury was saying you would side with Coach Carey. The cheer at mid court is pointless. Theres simply no reason for it. Some of the things Coach Applebuy said were also pointless and made no sense. Carey was simply defending her team. I dont know how UMW benefits from cheering at mid court, which I believe is against the rules before a game. Not sure about after...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on December 09, 2007, 11:50:18 AM
by the time I was aware of what the two head coaches were saying when CUA coach went over to UMW bench, it had become "don't insult my kids" and "don't yell at me" and "I'm not yelling" rather than anything substantive.

Anyway, game's long over now, so good luck in your Landmark season. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardinalRed on December 09, 2007, 03:59:23 PM
Same to you. You have a really good team that will surely be making alot of noise come march.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 09, 2007, 09:04:25 PM
Obviously, I wasn't at this game...but, based on what both of you have stated...it seems to me the CUA coach may have missed a golden opportunity to use what UMW was doing as a teaching lesson for her young team. Rather than blow what was being done out of proportion...she could have brought her team back out to watch the festivities and said something to the effect, sit down & watch what's going on, on our court. This is what very good teams do. We are going to be the ones to work together to make sure this isn't done here again for a very long time. Just a different approach going for the same outcome. Then again, I guess the best remedy is to win at home & celebrations found to be abrasive won't be an option.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: mwcsid on December 10, 2007, 09:25:46 AM
I agree with Saratoga, but to me, standing in a circle with hands in the center and saying "Eagles" isn't really worth all this to-do. It's not like they were planting a flag or stomping on the logo, they were just standing there. And yes, they've done this every game for the last five years, win or lose, home or away.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardinalRed on December 10, 2007, 03:19:24 PM
Or you teach your players the lesson that this is your court and stand up to people who think  they can take that away from you? And whats the point of the celebration? Why does UMW feel the need to do something that everyone else agrees is okay, if on your side of the court, not on the logo that represents Catholic University. Why do they feel the need to be special and stand at mid-court. Your given a bench for a reason, stick to it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Balder Eagle on December 12, 2007, 04:22:12 PM
I love this game -- it is Fantastic
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardinalRed on December 12, 2007, 05:15:47 PM
I'm not sure what you mean by that.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on December 16, 2007, 09:27:04 PM
12/16/2007

The Catholic University women's basketball team (5-2) escaped from Towson University Sunday evening with a 57-52 win over the Villa Julie Mustangs (1-7) in a local rivalry at a neutral site. The game came down to the wire for the Cards who utilized a solid defensive effort in the victory. Kristen Linderoth (Spring Lake, N.J./Red Bank Catholic) led the Cardinals with her first double-double of the season after a 15 point, 10 rebound performance.

The first half was a low scoring affair as both teams struggled to find the bottom of the net. CUA shot 36 just 36 percent while the Mustangs managed to make just 30 percent of their shots. A lack of free throws also kept it a low scoring half as the Cards shot just two free throws in 20 minutes. Leading 25-19 a late Mustang three made it just a three point lead going into the break. Christina Rogers (Monmouth Beach, N.J./Red Bank Catholic) led the way on the scoring end with six points while three other players contributed four. With so many missed shots, the Cardinals were able to gain a solid advantage on the boards outrebounding Villa Julie 27-15. Linderoth had a team-high eight and Jessica Schiavoni (Winchester, Va./John Handley) added five as the Cards dominated in the paint. Tonia Cristno led the Mustangs with eight points in the half.

The lead bounced back and forth throughout the second half. Villa Julie was up by as much as seven midway through thanks to back to back three's from Cristino. However once again the Cards made it back thanks to a stifling defense and a full court press. With 2:18 left a Cardinal foul and technical gave the Mustangs three free throws which they sank two of to go ahead 52-49. With a minute left Linderoth drop stepped on the right block making the layup putting CUA up 53-52 and after a big defensive stop, Kerri Confrey hit another shot to push the lead to three. The Cardinal defense made one more defensive stop forcing the Mustangs to foul and sealing the 57-52 victory.

Linderoth led the Cards with 15 points and Brianna Peterson (Garnerville, N.Y./North Rockland) added 12. Linderoth led all players on the boards with 10 and Schiavoni followed her with eight. The Cards outrebounded the Mustangs by a staggering 13 rebounds 42-29 which included 17 offensive. CUA also shot 42 percent for the game while Villa Julie managed to hit 32 percent from the field. The only place where the Mustangs held an advantage was in turnovers as CUA commited 17 and Villa Julie 13 in the game.

The Cardinals will have a nice break over the holidays and return to action on December 29 versus Neumann at the DuFour Center. The game is scheduled to begin at 3 p.m.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on December 20, 2007, 03:40:39 PM
Here's Wishing everyone a safe and happy holiday season !!! may the new year be filled with love , peace, and good health thru out ... also some really good basketball..

HAPPY HOLIDAY'S   !!!!!!!

GO CARDS
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 20, 2007, 10:36:56 PM
I missed all this...sounds like some of that great relationship between CUA and UMW in men's bb has spilled over to the women's side...does UMW really do that when they lose?  If they don't, than I can think of one good way to make sure it doesn't happen...

Other than the TCNJ game, though, Catholic's been pretty decent.  Personally, I think its fair to call it a rebuilding year for both Catholic teams this year, but that doesn't mean they can't be at or near the top of the Landmark at the end of the season.  I have no idea what Landmark looks like for women's though.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardinalRed on January 04, 2008, 10:46:04 PM
Good Luck tomorrow to the somewhat depleted Lady Cards as they take on Stockton College. Coach Carey returns to her previous job where she was an assistant under Coach Fussner. Under 60, Cards win. 60 and over, anyones game. Look for Catholic to step up defensively.


GO CARDS!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 08, 2008, 08:10:48 PM
Based upon the original schedule for the UofS Lady Royals, they were to play last evening in Puerto Rico...what happened to the mystery game? A).Bad directions to the school B). Too much fun to play basketball C). The school they booked to play went under or D). The Lady Royals refused to travel around the island in a yellow school bus. What is the point of playing Puerto Rican colleges when there are so many D-III colleges & universities visiting the various islands? I mean it's not exactly like taking a soccer team to England or Italy or the golf team to Scotland. Hope to hear what happened from the guys that went down there.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 04, 2008, 07:34:41 PM
Huge congratulations to Taryn Mellody of The University of Scranton being named to D-III Hoops All Decade First Team. What a fantastic honor to an even more fantastic young woman! Congrats to all the other well deserving young woman named to the various teams & to the committee for a job well done. It was an absolute privilege to be able to watch her & her teammates the past four years.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 04, 2008, 09:46:24 PM
    What I'll remember most about Taryn's play over the years was at the end of hotly-contested games(many NCAA tournament) when you could feel and hear the air being sucked up by the fans as she was getting ready to launch a 3pt bomb and the explosion erupting at the frequent success.
    Bowdoin's Lori Trenkle 's bio contains citation of her play against Royals stellar senior guard duo of Kate P and Katie Doc by Coach Pemper.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 12, 2008, 11:26:45 AM
The first Regional rankings come out tomorrow...based on what I've seen thus far my guess is that they may look something like...1.) Messiah 19-2 & 6-0.  2.) Desales 19-3 & 8-1.  3.) Scranton 16-5 & 10-1.  4.) Albright 17-4 & 5-1.  5.) Gwynedd-Mercy 17-5 & 12-1.  6.) Lebanon Valley 18-3 & 3-3.  7.) Dickinson 14-6 & 12-2  8.) Misericordia 16-6 & 11-2.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 13, 2008, 10:41:03 PM
No major surprises with the first Regional rankings...for the most part pretty much as expected. I was thinking the Middle Atlantic would rank 8 teams...looks like only 6. The only pick I would question is Muhlenburg over Dickinson. Dickinsons overall record is 15-6 vs. Muhlenburgs 16-5...however, Dickinson is 13-2 in region vs. Bergs 11-3. And, head-to-head...Dickinson 64-49. Only other minor surprise is Gwynned-mercy not getting a look at 17-5 & 12-1. We should be hearing from TC Hoops within the hour...stay tuned!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 17, 2008, 01:06:21 AM
  Lady Royals clinch regular season title and home court advantage for conference playoffs in recovering from 11-4 deficit to take lead near end of 1st half only to have CU hit running 3-pt er from 25 feet as time ran out at the half. they trailed 44-38  in 2nd half but took lead on outstanding foul-shooting, missing only 1 until final minute. Coach K(elly) acknowledged credit for today's improvement to season-long bugaboo.
  Individually, PGs Ryan and Colleen played pretty good, Michelle had some strong drives to the hoop, and  Kathleen was also aggressive in the offensive paint.
   Hoping to see them continue the streak at Goucher later today.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 17, 2008, 09:23:40 PM
   Lady Royals played well in opening half today. Starters out by 10 min mark and played only a few minutes in 2nd half. For the reserves, Brittany had best game of year for her, and I think she's the most fundamentally sound all-around player on the team: moves well w/o the ball, passes well, and most active defender. She should help in the future.
  Jen King did well offensively, dribbling and passing well through the full-court press. Kelly Tratthen looks like a rugged force on the boards. Marisa got so many shots off per minute of action that she had to ice down her shooting shoulder after the game. Seriously, it was good seeing her play w/o knee braces, after the injuries and rehab of previous years,
  Julie dressed but DNP, presumably resting her foot after the tough game the night before.
  All this is tempered by Goucher being the last-place team,only dressing 8 including a grad student, and it being the 2nd game of the weekend.    Interesting game next against Moravian on the road.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardinalRed on February 20, 2008, 09:01:06 AM
Any ideas on Coach of the Year, Player of the Year, Rookie of the Year, All-Conference Teams, etc.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 21, 2008, 06:37:56 PM
Programming note...

D3hoops.com will broadcast Saturday's Scranton/Moravian doubleheader live from Johnston Hall in Bethlehem...

5:30 pm - Women: Scranton Royals versus Moravian Greyhounds
7:30 pm - Men: Scranton Royals versus Moravian Greyhounds


The broadcast will be available at www.d3hoops.com/audio starting with pregame coverage 10 minutes before tipoff.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardinalRed on February 26, 2008, 05:59:50 PM
Landmark Conference released the All-Conference Team's today.

http://landmarkconference.org/sports/wbkb/2007-08/news/LCwbbal_allconference_08

   I pretty much agree with everything except for  a couple things. Anyone could have guessed that Megan Kopecki and Brianna Peterson were going to be on this link, but the question I raise is: Did Kopecki really deserve to get the upper hand in both categories over Peterson, Kopecki getting First Team and ROY, and Peterson receiving just 2nd team? I think they should have split the awards (Kopecki getting First Team and Peterson getting ROY or Vice Versa). Or at the least been Co-Rookies of the Year. I don't think there's a rule against sharing the award. After all Peterson did have a better year on paper, albeit with a less successful team.

   Peterson finished second in the league in PPG. She beat out Kopecki in most major categories including PPG, RPG, 3PT FG, and 3PT FG's Made. Peterson also started more games by starting 17 of 22. Kopecki starting just 8 of 24. Head to Head, both had one bad game. In the first game in PA, Peterson had just 6 points and 2 rebounds while Kopecki had a solid night with 11 points and 6 rebounds. The second time the teams met in D.C., Kopecki had her off night with just 6 points, three rebounds and 4 fouls in just 14 minutes in a game that was close until the end. That same night Peterson had a stellar night with 22 points and playing 35 minutes and helping her  team come closer than most teams did in attempting to beat the Royals this year.. Advantage Head to Head? I think Peterson. Advantage Team to Team? Scranton.
   Kopecki for 6th (wo) man of the year? Absolutely. But I don't think she played enough to deserve ROY, not enough to win it over Peterson at least.

   In addition, would it be a bad idea to take away the 6th person on the First and Second Teams and add a 3rd team? It would open the field up to players that had solid but not great years such as Catholic's Kate Robinson, Jessica Schiavoni, and Freshman Kerri Confrey. Or USMMA's Kristen Hetsko and Brooke Picillo (who won Defensive Player of the Year but didn't make it to an All Conference Team?) Also with solid years were Moravian's Jessica Foran and Juniata's Claudia McDowell.  
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 26, 2008, 10:52:51 PM
CardinalRed: I can certainly see where you're coming from. However, I think it's also pretty fair to say that most coaches know that Megan is a really talented young player & about the only thing that held her back was actually Coach Strong by gradually easing her into the starting lineup & increasing her minutes...when he had to. If she averaged 30 minutes a game, her freshman stats would be off the charts. This vote, (ROY) is in some ways refreshing because 5 years ago Scranton had a freshman that could score from anywhere on the court, rebound, handle the ball and led her team to an elite eight berth yet was passed over for the award for another very good player...yet one that averaged about 15 minutes more per game & played for a team that won about 6 or 7 games that season. To me, playing a vital role as a freshman in helping her team advance that far was more telling of someone a bit more deserving of the ROY award or at least sharing it. In all honesty, I think that was the only award Taryn Mellody did not win. She ends up an All-Decade D-III Hoops First Team selection, yet somehow was not voted the MAC ROY. I think where your argument has more merit is that Brianna should have at least shared the ROY award as her accomplishments should not be diminished because she was on a mediocre team...just as a player on a good team should not have their accomplishments undervalued. However, the selection that really has me perplexed is how Mike Strong does NOT get Coach of the Year with the BEST overall record in the conference & the ABSOLUTE BEST conference record. I mean his Lady Royal team LOSES 70% of its scoring with the graduation of 2 All-Americans & their center yet they only have 1 conference loss (first conference game & by 2 pts.). What's this all about? Wait, let me take a wild guess! Scranton, with a totally revamped team has 5 overall losses to Moravians 9 & 1 conference loss to Moravains 5. And to top it off, last Saturday in the regular season final AT Moravian, Scranton drives the length of the floor with 8 seconds left to hit the final shot to tie it up at the end of regulation then sets up a play to tie it up yet again at the end of the first OT by hitting a shot with 1.4 seconds left on an inbounds play then pulls away in the 2nd. OT & wins by 7. Yet this is somehow not quite the best coaching job in this conference? The Lady Royals may well lose tomorrow to the USMMA in a first round game...but, don't believe for one minute that the job Mike did this year was second fiddle to anyone. Unbelievable...yet, predictable!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardinalRed on February 27, 2008, 09:18:03 AM
   That's one thing I probably did overlook too. But I think the conference didnt want to give Scranton two 1st teamers, Player of the Year, Rookie of the Year, AND Coach of the Year. If Scranton had completely dominated the conference schedule by beating teams by 20 all year, I could  see them doing that. But Scranton had one loss and some close games down the stretch. Don't get me wrong though, I too think Coach Strong deserves Coach of the Year. But the fact is that it would have been to hard for the Landmark to give Scranton 3 of 4 Conference awards. Thats where giving ROY to Megan Kopecki should come into question. Coach Strong probably deserved to be COY more than Megan deserved ROY. But Coach Strong probably would rather have his players be rewarded then himself, so I dont see him losing much sleep over not getting COY.

   I think if you put Brianna Peterson in Scranton's lineup this year in place of Megan Kopecki she would have had just as solid of a year, if not better.
   
   It should definetly make for some good if not great games between these two. I could definetly see the next three years producing a potentially great rivalry between the two schools. Catholic's freshman class from this year has great potential. More than any other class I've seen in the Landmark this year. Joining this class next year will be a tremendous point guard in Justine Gray, who missed all but the two first games of this season due to a knee injury and forced her to take an injury red shirt this year. Catholic's back court should be loaded next year considering they will have two point guards that are capable of starting (Kerri Confrey and Justine Gray). And we cant forget about the frontcourt either.  Kristen Linderoth will be back after having an All Conference, if not All American year come to end for the second season in a row due to another knee injury. If this team stays healthy next year, they WILL be in contention for the conference championship. I'm just getting a little ahead of myself though. The conference playoffs haven't even started yet this year and I'm already talking about what could happen next year...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 27, 2008, 02:23:58 PM
CardinalRed: I think the future looks as bright as your print for Catholic & those of us that follow the UofS have not really known anything else. I know the seniors on this Scranton team are the known quantity...but, even last Sat. in a very big game at Moravain, Scranton had 4 freshmen on the floor late (C.McLane, M.Kopecki, B.Bontemps & J.King) so there is a ton of experience being gained by Scranton's freshman class in big games. Should be a fun group of kids from a number of schools to watch over the next few years. In a related note...Congratulations are certainly in order for Kathleen Daly of the UofS being honored as the first Landmark Conference Player of the Year & Megan Kopecki being honored as the ROY. A job well done by all those nominated from all the schools.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TCHoops Jr. on February 28, 2008, 11:15:22 AM
Quote from: saratoga on February 13, 2008, 10:41:03 PM
No major surprises with the first Regional rankings...for the most part pretty much as expected. I was thinking the Middle Atlantic would rank 8 teams...looks like only 6. The only pick I would question is Muhlenburg over Dickinson. Dickinsons overall record is 15-6 vs. Muhlenburgs 16-5...however, Dickinson is 13-2 in region vs. Bergs 11-3. And, head-to-head...Dickinson 64-49. Only other minor surprise is Gwynned-mercy not getting a look at 17-5 & 12-1. We should be hearing from TC Hoops within the hour...stay tuned!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TCHoops Jr. on February 28, 2008, 11:24:19 AM


Big Papi (aka the real) TCHoops should be responding shortly....

In the mean time I'll throw in my two cents and say no one at GMC is complaining about our ranking....

we want the PAC Championship (again) & the NCAA bid.... would welcome another shot at DeSales and Albright and /or a return trip to deal with those cockroaches up at NYU  (oops NYU won't be going this year cause they STINK !!!!)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 28, 2008, 12:37:31 PM
Hey Jr. I see I taught you well. I know you all MISSED me but I am backkkkkkkkk!!!!No SHOCKER that GMC is not ranked, we are used to being over looked but like you said that's ok.  The only thing that GMC does is win Championships and go on to play in the NCAA playoffs and win in the first round and then have to play a final four team in their home court and give them a scare. Hopefully we will get over that hump this year and get to the sweet 16, either way we will have fun. What happened to that POWER house NYU this year? We were so looking foward to going back there to that empty gym and friendly fans to kick their butts. GMC goes for a 3PEAT Saturday night against a tough Cabrini team in rematch from last years championship game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: RoyalGator on March 01, 2008, 10:37:12 AM
Its that time of the year again where dreams are made or shattered!!!  I am just happy that the University of Scranton rebounded after the 6 - 5 start.  This has to be one of the best coacing jobs performed by Coach Strong since he lost Taryn, Allison and Tiffany.  Hopefully they will pull it out tonight and the NCAA committee merits there worthyness as a Pool B bid.  If they do win, do anyone think they will get a home get a home game?  If they do I hope its Thursday so I can make it up from Titleville (Gainesville), Florida.  I would be my first game since the Final Four im Springfield in 2006.

As for me I am Phinally Done after 2,017 days!!!!   ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 01, 2008, 01:59:09 PM
RoyalGator: Congratulations! We can now refer to you as Dr. RoyalGator! I agree, Coach Strong has worked this group of ladies together quite nicely. No superstars...just a great group of kids getting the most mileage out of their abilities. Its been an enjoyable & somewhat surprising run the Lady Royals have put together. Stay warm...heard it may hit only 70 today in Titleville.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 01, 2008, 06:51:47 PM
Royalgator,

   Welcome back! Ladies hang on for the Landmark title by 2.
   Sorry, no women's games on Thurs, 1 on wed, the rest on friday; there will be 5 men's games on thurs- maybe the royals, especially if they win also today.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: bigjoe on March 02, 2008, 08:40:04 PM
I have seen six Lady Royal games and not once has the entire team played well.  It all may come together against one of the better teams, e.g. Messiah, and if it does, Scranton can beat anyone.  Daly has been consistent throughout and has emerged as a quiet leader.  Fabio has outstanding moves underneath, quick feet and a nice rotation on her shots.  Against a fast team, like Junianta, only Remington has breakaway foot speed and experience to stop a fast break, but she has to remain outside on offense to be in position.  She and Mooney need to be in the line-up during the final five minutes.  I like the freshman Kopecki, who makes "freshman mistakes" with her passing and is sometimes slow to get back on defense (she has speed), but is adept at position rebounding.  The bench is well-coached. especially Brohpy, and Coach Strong has proven many times that he can get the most out of his talent, especially this season.  Congratulations to a team that could be this year's Cinderella.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 02, 2008, 09:53:29 PM
Good points BigJoe & welcome aboard. This just in...Scranton & Juniata of the Landmark take 2 of the 3 Pool B spots & are heading to the tournament. Congrats to both schools. Bracketing tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardinalRed on March 03, 2008, 03:56:41 PM
Looks like the Landmark is getting some respect with 2 bids. Good to see. I definetly think it is a better conference than the CAC. I think in the East it is one of the better conferences in front of the CAC and ODAC (atleast from what i've seen). I think it is safe to say that Juniata has a bit of a tough road ahead of them considering who they're playing. Then again its 16's beating 1's that make March the best month of the year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on March 04, 2008, 03:26:29 PM
Quote from: CardinalRed on March 03, 2008, 03:56:41 PM
I definetly think it is a better conference than the CAC. I think in the East it is one of the better conferences in front of the CAC and ODAC (atleast from what i've seen).

Red, if you're right, that doesn't bode well for the Cardinal women's prospects since over their years in the CAC they never were able to claim the CAC title.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardinalRed on March 05, 2008, 07:37:38 PM
Quote from: bbald eagle on March 04, 2008, 03:26:29 PM
Quote from: CardinalRed on March 03, 2008, 03:56:41 PM
I definetly think it is a better conference than the CAC. I think in the East it is one of the better conferences in front of the CAC and ODAC (atleast from what i've seen).

Red, if you're right, that doesn't bode well for the Cardinal women's prospects since over their years in the CAC they never were able to claim the CAC title.  ;)


The CAC has 2 legit teams, 2 average teams, 2 below average teams, and 3 of the worst teams in the country. And three years atop the CAC and UMW is the best womens program in the CAC ever? I think Coach Finney or Former Coach Benshelter will have something to say about that. I sure hope my Lady Cards play your Eagles next year.   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on March 05, 2008, 08:40:37 PM
Hey Red, I never said UMW was the best ever in the CAC, just that CUA never won the CAC championship.  ;D So I guess CUA was never the best, right?   :o When CUA left, it was in the bottom half of the CAC. Still would have been in the bottom half this year. If CUA plays and beats UMW next season, it'd be Coach Carey's first win over UMW, right?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardinalRed on March 05, 2008, 09:56:04 PM
Hey bbald, Thats where I disagree. I think they would have been 4th, possibly 3rd in the CAC. Which is why I believe that the LMC is a better conference than the CAC. Did you see Catholic play this year? And yes, it would be the first time Coach Carey would beat UMW, your point? And if you really want to turn this into who is a better coach, lets get the two together and go x's and o's or maybe even involve a little one on one.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: mamadukes on March 05, 2008, 10:19:19 PM
Now I would pay $$$ to see that!
I saw Catholic play UMW this year. It wasn't pretty. I believe the score was 82-61. UMW
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on March 06, 2008, 10:30:15 AM
Quote from: CardinalRed on March 05, 2008, 09:56:04 PM
Did you see Catholic play this year? And yes, it would be the first time Coach Carey would beat UMW, your point?

I saw Catholic lose to Mary Washington at Catholic. I posted my reactions on this board. Go back and read them.

My point about Coach Carey? You slammed UMW and its program, invoking Coach Finney and former Coach Benshelter, both of whom have had great programs, as your authority. Coach Carey hasn't yet reached their level. So far she's achieved mediocrity in two leagues. I think she's good and has a bright future, but not much of a past. Coach Applebury rushed to the top of the heap very quickly. I suppose after being named national coach of the year last year, there's only one direction she can go.  ;D

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardinalRed on March 06, 2008, 02:09:01 PM
I slammed after you slammed. I'm not going to sit back and let you take shots at a program I love. And yet your still taking shots at it? Don't dish it if you can't take it bbald.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on March 06, 2008, 02:14:40 PM
Quote from: CardinalRed on March 03, 2008, 03:56:41 PM
I definetly think it is a better conference than the CAC. I think in the East it is one of the better conferences in front of the CAC and ODAC (atleast from what i've seen).

First Slam copied from above, from you.  ::) 

by the way, was it a rebuilding year or not for the CUA Cardinals?  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 06, 2008, 05:15:29 PM
You're a little oversensitive if that's a slam.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardinalRed on March 06, 2008, 06:42:57 PM
Thanks Pat.If you took that as a slam I'm sorry but it wasn't intended that way. I was merely saying what I thought from what I saw this season and in seasons past. I've even sayed that UMW is a "Legit" team. Theres no taking away from what they've done this season.

And no it wasn't a rebuilding year. Our starting point guard Justine Gray (Soph) tore her ACL in the second game of the season and Starting Center Kristen Linderoth tore her second ACL in two years. Freshman took the place in both positions. It was more of learning expierence which is why this freshman class is going to be so good. Also Catholic missed key players a few games due to injuries.

But think about this for a second. Lose Liz Hickey a quarter of the way through the season and losing Leigh Kampman in the second game of the season. Also a few keys starters missing some games through the season. Would you have had as a successful of a season as you've had so far?

So the answer to your question is a resounding no. And whats with still taking the shots at the Team, Coach Carey, and the Program in general?  ???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on March 06, 2008, 07:35:27 PM
Pat's a CUA Cardinal too!  ;)

You're right about one thing: if players go down, it makes a difference. Flanagan, a starter,  went down last year for UMW midway through the season and never returned. Bruen was out sick for a couple of games late in the season. The team was able to play through it.

I guess I'm missing something, but with CUA's record this season, if it wasn't a rebuilding year, it probably stays near the bottom of the Landmark.

As far as shots at Coach Carey: she's good and should improve. As far as the program, it needs to improve, doesn't it?

But I guess I'm not expressing myself the way you'd like. I liked Catholic and wished they stayed in the CAC. I just don't think this year they'd have finished in the top of the CAC either.

I'd like to see CUA at the top of the Landmark.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 07, 2008, 02:11:26 PM
I hope the Lady Royals try some different defenses against the team they play tonight. I've heard they love to drive to the hoop, get fouled & settle in. Scranton has the size to go zone & clog the middle up against Baker (a great player ) & their point who loves to drive & dish. Their 3 pt. shooting is very suspect so I hope the  Lady Royals try to force them deeper & deeper from the basket & try things they just arn't comfortable with. This team attempted about 20 more free throws than their opponent last week & over the course of the year are way beyond the opposition in that category. Take away the driving lanes.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: mytwocents on March 08, 2008, 12:21:39 PM
Tough loss for Scranton last night.  Pretty darn good year for the Lady Royals all considering.  Coach Strong and his staff most definetly one of the best in DIII.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 17, 2008, 10:38:51 PM
    I didn't realize that Coach Whitten(formerly of Kings) had moved to the Mount from VCU. 
    Saw the 2 Scranton-CU games at CU of Coach Carey's tenure and was impressed with how well CU played in that game 2 years ago(the only loss for Scranton that year other than to the NCAA champion Hope). This year's CU team looks on the way to very good things despite having to deal with the serious injuries.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on March 18, 2008, 10:03:36 AM
Red, sorry - and surprised - to see Coach Carey go. Good luck to CUA in the search for a new coach.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: old ends on March 23, 2008, 12:36:05 PM
congrats to the girls who made All American,

Click here to see list: http://www.wbca.org/releases/DIIISFCAAT2008.html
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on May 01, 2008, 12:29:58 AM
The Catholic University of America introduced Matthew Donohue as the new head women's basketball coach Wednesday.  Donohue takes over for Margaret Carey who recently left CUA to take a coaching position at her alma mater, Mount Saint Mary's University.  Donohue comes to CUA from Elmira College where he has been the head women's basketball coach and sports information director since 2003.

"We are thrilled to have someone with Coach Donohue's credentials join our coaching staff," said Director of Athletics Dr. Michael Allen.  "He has a tremendous track record of taking programs to new heights throughout his coaching career.  He will bring great enthusiasm to our program and department." 

During his time at Elmira, Donohue was recognized as the Empire 8 and regional Coach of the Year in 2006, led his team to a regular season conference championship in 2007 and had two appearances in the conference championship game.  In his five seasons, Donohue had numerous players earn conference and regional honors and his teams routinely excelled in the classroom. 

Prior to Elmira, Donohue was the head coach at Division II Bloomfield College where his 2002 squad posted a 17 game improvement over the previous season, for one of the largest single season improvements in the nation.  While at Bloomfield he also served as the head men's cross country coach.  The Centenary College graduate holds a degree in English with an emphasis on education.  He taught and coached at a number of high schools in New Jersey. 

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheNextLevel on May 01, 2008, 02:27:19 PM
Elmira's gain is Catholic's loss...Don't let the door hit you in the ___  on the way out!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheNextLevel on May 10, 2008, 05:52:18 PM
 I hate to post negatives, but if anyone deserves it....and you asked.

A very good recruiter because he will tell a player whatever they want to hear both before and after they are there, rarely follows though on his word , is manipulative and all that catches up with you, thus the frequent moves.  Also he will purge the schedule of quality opponents and schedule  as many creampuffs as possible to get wins.  (Only 5  'out of conference ' wins in the 5 seasons at Elmira  against teams with a better than 500 record).   His only 2 winning seasons at Elmira were the result of an assistant coach who knew more than he did.  Without her he had 3 losing seasons.  He often pits players against each other behind the scenes, while preaching Team unity.   I could go on and on,  but that would identify players .  As I said , he did recruit some quality players to Elmira, (but then Elmira attracts quality students/athletes to begin with, as does Catholic) and they played thier hearts out for each other.

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EXperiment,and search!! When will it end for Elmira? At some point  you need to have some faith in your players.  The EC coach seems to have none. You no longer have Coackely to run the "press and run" style. SO ADJUST ALREADY. You have talent, use it properly.  Stevens did not scare.  They were not dauntingly good.  But EC was outcoached.  Stevens players were patient, and sharing with the ball.  EC was in a hurry to whip up"notice the word shoot was not used" a three, when their best success was moving it inside. The only player who was hitting the three was givin the bench most of the second half.  Heres a though RUN HER A PLAY.  A group of bench players come in with some spark and decrease the lead to 14, only to be sat down for the remainder.   Show some faith!!    BUT  EC sticks with the press zone defense, and the same offense each time down the floor. Lets see some variation. Coach D  has become the worst thing a coach and team can be... PREDICTABLE.



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: heatlee on May 15, 2008, 08:27:06 PM
The new Catholic coach can coach.  If he can win at Elmira, just think how well he'll do at CUA.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on May 16, 2008, 04:34:39 PM
Heatlee, what in the name of God (no pun intended :() would make the women's coaching job at CUA better than Elmira - location?  Climate?   Yes, i know you have Susan Sarandon & dear Pat, but honestly!  Oh well, it's back to the MAC board for me.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: heatlee on May 16, 2008, 06:59:14 PM
D.C. vs. Elmira, its obvious to me especially if you grew up in a metropolitan area, like he did.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheNextLevel on May 17, 2008, 06:12:37 PM
Not really.  He had it made at Elmira.  Great School, tons of scholarship money, very supportive Athletic Director and Adminstration, AND he started with a couple of  great  players to build around. 

With the talent EC had... He definitely under-achieved all 5 seasons.




Quote from: heatlee on May 15, 2008, 08:27:06 PM
The new Catholic coach can coach.  If he can win at Elmira, just think how well he'll do at CUA.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 18, 2008, 05:28:15 PM
Quote from: TheNextLevel on May 17, 2008, 06:12:37 PM
tons of scholarship money

Hopefully there's an investigation. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardinalRed on May 31, 2008, 08:48:22 PM
I find it hard to believe that he is as bad of a coach as you say he is. Some of the claims aren't exactly adding up. I'm excited to see what Coach Donohue can do with a great group of players.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on June 02, 2008, 04:29:03 PM
i myself will just wait till the season starts and see what kind of coach he turns out to be .. could  be a national champion winner or a below 500 coach ... or anywhere in between ...  only time will tell.. i'm sure the AD at CUA would not have chosen him if he were that bad.. let's just wait and see for ourselves before we jump to any conclusions on the man ok .. have a great summer and OCT can't get here quick enough ..
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardinalRed on June 02, 2008, 09:21:00 PM
I'll second that.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheNextLevel on June 19, 2008, 02:19:07 PM
As I mentioned, the entire roster returns and that includes some excellent players.  I expect the Cardinals record to improve for the next 2 seasons and then is when all the duplicity and BS starts to catch up to Coach D.   The key will be the quality of the Assistant Coach.  Among other things,  he (she) will have to be able to make "in game" adjustments, something  D  has never shown he could do in the past.

Maybe he has learned something, lets hope so for the players and fans sake.


As you said, time will tell...Good luck


Quote from: cuabigdog on June 02, 2008, 04:29:03 PM
i myself will just wait till the season starts and see what kind of coach he turns out to be .. could  be a national champion winner or a below 500 coach ... or anywhere in between ...  only time will tell.. i'm sure the AD at CUA would not have chosen him if he were that bad.. let's just wait and see for ourselves before we jump to any conclusions on the man ok .. have a great summer and OCT can't get here quick enough ..
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 03, 2008, 11:25:12 PM
  A check of Scranton's schedule shows 2 teams with recent Lady Royals as assistant coaches(Cabrini - Kate Pierangeli and Gettysburg - Kelly Lewandowski, shifting this year from the Royals' staff). Word has it that they must excuse themselves from discussion about defending the favorite back-door cut play of the Royals.
  The web site says this year's roster will be up shortly( my guess, in 2 weeks after practice starts). This is the 1st season in a while that the incoming frosh were not preannounced.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on October 05, 2008, 02:12:48 AM
Ronk: I tend to get a little worried when Scranton does not post its usual synopsis of recruits. It reminds me of 3 years ago when only 3 kids made the team as freshmen & only one (Molly Klusick) is still on the squad. The following year was another wasted year of bringing in talented kids & that is why Scranton had only one junior & one sophmore on last years team. From what was lost to graduation (5 very good seniors) & what is returning, the Lady Royals will be primarily a very young team with a number of returning sophmores & what I would hope is a pretty good incoming freshman class. Then again, when they don't provide updates as in centuries past, even that is not a definate. Based on Scranton's schedule, I notice many teams that in previous years would have never entertained the idea of playing the Lady Royals...so the thought just might be to go play them now as they might be down like never before. Who knows ...perhaps this class will have another Taryn Mellody or Jen Nish or Kelly Halpin...then again, it may be as bare as two of the last three years.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 05, 2008, 02:03:27 PM
Saratoga,
   Even in those 2 years I remembering them preannouncing the 2 juniors and the soph; the 3rd junior was a walk-on, I believe. So does a change in procedure indicate?....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on October 05, 2008, 07:23:11 PM
Ronk: It's somewhat hard to say that because a school doesn't announce its recruits it therefore automatically means its been another bad year...however, if you've recruited truly good players that you've seen play & you know they not only will make the team but get serious playing time, then why not update your fan base? Why the sudden change in protocol?There are numerous teams on this site that not only have updated their incoming freshman class...they've already posted their rosters. I always found it enjoyable seeing who actually came vs. those that were recruited or you "heard" were coming in. Oh well, perhaps by their first game we may read something.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on October 05, 2008, 07:55:41 PM
Can't believe i'm actually typing this, but i DO miss the Scranton posters.  CJ has married & moved, & Warren Thompson has not come on the MAC site in ages.  Anyway, good luck to the Lady Royals this season - also i do miss Drew - good luck to them as well.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: macfan on October 25, 2008, 09:39:41 PM
Check rosters in the region - seems most teams only brought in one or two players; maybe the pickin for D3 prospects at MAC caliber was thin?  Guess we'll see through the season - and certainly in the out of conference games as well as the playoff picture - only time will tell! 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 27, 2008, 10:09:24 PM
Saratoga,
  Royals' rosters finally up on web site. Ladies add 4 frosh and a soph. One promising frosh from last year missing this year, however.
  I met the Mechanicsburg frosh at the Messiah game last year, so she followed through on her interest in the U.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: roy_a on November 08, 2008, 10:13:43 AM
Okay...someone fill me in...I went 12 yrs going to the Lady Royal home games, and many of the away games. During that 12 yr period I missed only 2 home games...last year, however, I only made it to 2 games...work!!! Anyway...fill me in...who are the teams to beat and who are the top playes in the conference.....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 08, 2008, 11:12:57 AM
Roy, welcome back! I seriously thought something may have happened as I don't think you even posted much last season. Glad all is well. Not much coming out of the Lady Royal camp thus far except descriptives such as "young", "pretty inexperienced" and "not very deep". This may be their longest year in the past 20...teams are taking numbers to stand in line for their shot at what some have said is a shell of what once was. The Lady Royals brought in some nice freshmen last year & may have some talent mixed in with this freshman class but, what will end up hurting them in the long run are the two non-existant recruiting classes of 2 & 3 years ago. No senior or junior depth or extensive playing time with the sole exception of their junior point.  I think Moravian has the best quality & depth that returns along with Juniata. After that, it will be anyones game for the 3 & 4 spots. Could be the first time in the better part of two centuries that Scranton will not be playing after the regular season. That said, Coach Strong has certainly not ducked anyone. His out of conference schedule is as tough as any in the country & I'm sure he's hoping that playing his freshman/sophmore laden team through those battles will be a great teacher for any conference run down the stretch.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 13, 2008, 11:49:27 AM
Somewhat expected yet still surprising to see...Lady Royals picked to finish in 2nd. place behind Moravian. Can't really remember the last time Scranton & second place were in the same sentence during the regular season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on November 14, 2008, 01:28:22 PM
What's that old saying "you can take the teams out of the MAC, but you can't take the MAC out of the teams  ;) - end quote. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: roy_a on November 15, 2008, 11:02:05 AM
Let the games begin...I can see why Moravian is the selection for the Landmark..it makes sense...but...let's not count the Lady Royals out...Megan Kopecki sure seems to be the heir apparent to the next top flight scorer for the Royals...Also, Ryan Mooney reminds me a lot of Kate Dougherty, Doc...and if Molly Klusek stays healty and we see her potential realized we should be in the mix yet again...nice article in the Scranton Times this morning...Coach Strong is only 13 victories away form 700....wow.......
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: OshDude on November 17, 2008, 12:31:23 AM
Any volleyball fans? I posted on my blog (http://uwoshvball.wordpress.com/) a Nationals Guide similar to the ones I did for the St. Thomas and Oshkosh regionals. Check it out if you're interested in Juniata and/or D-III VB.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 17, 2008, 02:44:30 PM
Susquehanna beat FDU-Florham, 65-49, in the first game then St. Mary's (Md.), 62-55, to win the Cherry Cove/Seahawk Tip-Off Tournament. Freshman Libby Shober made the All-Tournament Team. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 19, 2008, 08:50:04 PM
Susquehanna beats Wilkes, 62-50, in its home opener. Freshman Jennifer Butts leads all scorers with 16 points.

Pepsi/Weis Markets Tipoff Tournament starts Saturday!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 22, 2008, 09:59:32 PM
Day 1 of the Pepsi/Weis Markets Tip-Off Tournament at Susquehanna:

McDaniel 65, Rutgers-Newark 30
Susquehanna 72, Alfred 52

Susquehanna vs. McDaniel tomorrow at 3 for the championship.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 22, 2008, 11:49:05 PM
Scranton knocks off Cabrini by about 10 in the first round of the Dickinson Tournament. The Lady Royals will face their hosts tomorrow at 4:00 for the championship. Dickinson defeated Washington & Lee in their first round game. The game will be broadcast over Royal Radio...WUSR, 99.5 or via the net.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 23, 2008, 12:48:41 AM
  Lady Royals used balanced scoring to overcome the strong play of Cabrini PG Deana DiAmico (6-6 from 3-pt land); her play was reminiscint of her assistant coach(former Royals star kate P).
  Frosh Kelly Carman showed promise operating in the low post.
  Colleen McLane suffered a hard fall while driving to the hoop early in the 2nd half and after a few minutes, was able to walk off under her own power, although she did not return to the game. Don't know if she'll be able to play tomorrow.
  Didn't see enough of the Dickinson game to tell how much of an opponent they'll be as their game was well in hand. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 23, 2008, 04:55:50 PM
Susquehanna comes back from a one-point halftime deficit to beat McDaniel, 78-68, in the championship of the Tip-Off Tournament. Rachael Hughes made the all-tourney team and freshman Jessica Zigarelli was named MVP.

That's the second tournament so far where a freshman has made the all-tournament team (Libby Shober was for the St. Mary's tourney last weekend). Nice start for the young'uns.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 23, 2008, 06:09:17 PM
This just in...Lady Royals knock off Dickinson in the championship of the Dickinson Tournament, 59-49. Scranton improves to 3-1 while the host team falls to 1-1.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on December 03, 2008, 11:35:21 AM
Conference play opens up this weekend... any thoughts?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on December 04, 2008, 07:28:59 PM
the Lady Cards from CUA look very good this early in the season.. Strong starting 5 and can go 5-6 deep on the bench.. very srtong freshman class has the Lady Cards poised to be a contender for the conf. in my opinion.. they are 6-2 losing two very winable games by a combined score of 7 points.. It may still be early in the season and anything can happen but don't overlook the Cards.. they may just fly right past you
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on December 06, 2008, 09:37:17 PM
Susquehanna squeaked by Juniata, 59-55, in the conference opener.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on December 15, 2008, 11:21:08 AM
Susquehanna beat Baptist Bible, 78-67. No commentary from me since I wasn't there, but here's the recap: http://www.susqu.edu/Sports/teams/WBasketball/default.htm  :D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on December 16, 2008, 08:07:30 PM
Yes Moravian beat the Lady Mules, but they're not the Bull Dogs, they're the Lady Grey Hounds  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 03, 2009, 01:35:39 AM
     Lady Royals win overtime struggle @ Gettysburg despite poor foul-shooting and some bad passing. Kelly worked well in the paint(4 offensive rebounds) and sent game into OT with a last-second layup on a pass from Megan. Megan with 14 points, 8 steals and assists and 7 rebounds; Jen with 4 3-ptrs and 1 old-fashioned 3-pt play, Molly worked well down low.
     Play recent #1 Kean in championship who were missing preseason All-american Melissa Beyruti in their win over Lebanon Valley.
    Numerous former Royals in the crowd including Stephanie, Julie, and Marisa from last year's team and a couple others that I didn't recognize with former teammate Kelly Lewandowski now coaching G-burg.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 03, 2009, 09:39:26 PM
    Lady Royals win G-burg tournament defeating Kean 77-52. Kean continues to miss All-American Melissa Beyruti(injured), unofficially, for the rest of the season. They were a formidible opponent, despite her absence, but the Royals played noticeably better than the nite before - fewer bad passes, much better defense, 19-7 advantage in offensive boards, marginally better foul-shooting(it just seemed a lot better), and, for the 1st time, a number of reserves making offensive moves instead of letting someone else do it.  Still a considerable work-in-progress but they took a step forward today.
   Since I omitted Ryan's 8 rebounds last nite, I'll mention her 5 rebounds, 6 assists, and 3 steals today.   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: finalfour on January 04, 2009, 08:17:06 PM
This message it to all the voter's on the D3Hoops top 25 poll:  It is about time you recognized Moravian by putting them in the top 25 in the last poll.  When you vote this week, please remember that they did beat DeSales (why are they still ahead of the Hounds?) and of their 9 wins 6 of them came against teams that were in the NCAA tournament last year.  Happy Voting!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on January 06, 2009, 08:21:12 PM
Well, the way the ball bounces, i see the U of S winning out - until that last game which could be wild  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Title IX on January 10, 2009, 10:31:46 AM
Moravian won another game last night and faces Susquehanna today at home at  ::)2:00 p.m.
They have marched through a tough early season schedule so far defeating DeSales, Muhlenberg, Scranton, TCNJ, and DII East Stroudsburg.  Their only loss was to #1 Rochester--at Rochester--in November.   The team is playing well.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 11, 2009, 01:36:49 AM
  Here are the standings both standard and a new format(Ronk Standings) which stresses the effect of home court losses and road wins in a conference which has an uneven number of home vs road games for each team after each weekend(until the final travel-pair game), since the 1st weekend starts play with only 1 game per team. I think it gives a truer picture.

Standard                                                   RS

MMA           3 - 0                                        Catholic     2 - 0
Scranton    2 - 1                                        MMA           1 - 0
Catholic      2 - 1                                        Susque      1 - 0
Susque       2 - 1                                        Juniata      1 - 0
Juniata       1 - 2                                        Scranton    0 - 0
Drew          1 - 2                                        Goucher     0 - 1
Moravian    1 - 2                                        Moravian    0 - 2
Goucher     0 - 3                                        Drew          0 - 2
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 11, 2009, 01:40:49 AM
Error: these are the men's standings; I forgot which board I was doing.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 11, 2009, 01:53:42 AM
Standard                                                   RS

Moravian       3 - 0                                     Catholic     2 - 0
Catholic         2 - 1                                     Moravian   0 - 0
Scranton        2 - 1                                    Scranton    0 - 0
MMA               2 - 1                                    MMA           0 - 0
Susque          1 - 2                                    Susque       0 - 0
Goucher         1 - 2                                    Juniata       0 - 0
Drew              1 - 2                                    Goucher     1 - 1
Juniata           0 - 3                                    Drew          0 - 2 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 17, 2009, 01:29:52 AM
    Lady Royals victors over Goucher despite 16 1st-half turnovers; Jen high scorer with several strong drives to the bucket leading to baskets and/or foul shots. "blue" team more effective than starters and were rewarded with extensive playing time in second half.
   Big challenge tomorrow with Lady Cardinals who knocked off Landmark leader Moravian tonite.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 17, 2009, 11:15:30 AM
Ronk: the Lady Royals assist to turnover ratio is beyond horrible. It's not far from 2:1, except in the wrong direction. I believe there is only 1 positive A/T on the team right now & that's not even very good. Couple that with barely 50% shooting from the free throw line and those two areas will haunt you once conference games heat up & you have any hopes of going anywhere in the playoffs.
  Certainly hope Mike is on the recruiting trail looking for a true point that can step in and play right away...which will then allow some of the other kids to revert back to their more natural positions.
  I'm kind of thinking on the lines of a Kelly Halpin or Allison Matt & while he's at it...why not get another Taryn Mellody and Shelly Parks. AHH, if it were only that easy!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 18, 2009, 01:27:20 AM
Saratoga,
   You're right about those 2 aspects of their game and 26 turnovers today will not improve things. On the positive side, Ryan was +3 today in A/TO, Colleen had the best game of her short career(10 points,3 assists, 3 steals, 1 block(missing from stats)), and Megan had the finest half(18 points,5 rebounds,3 steals,1 assist) in a while after an unlucky foul-restricted first half of 6 minutes.
  In defense of Megan's A/TO ratio, most of her TOs are teammates not ready for her passes off her penetration moves. Hopefully, as they get the playing time from the 5 last-year grads, they'll get in position to receive the pass and do something with it.
  As far as a point guard, as they say in the financial world, you've got to invest in the world we have rather than the world we want. Deanna DiAmico(Cabrini) is the best I've seen this year but she's there rather than here, so it looks like Megan this year unless Colleen keeps improving.

Standings                                           RS

Scranton       4 - 1                              Scranton       2 - 0
Moravian       4 - 1                              Moravian       1 - 0
Catholic         3 - 2                              Susque         1 - 0
MMA              3 - 2                               Juniata         1 - 0
Susque         2 - 3                               Catholic        2 - 1
Drew             2 - 3                               MMA             0 - 1
Juniata          1 - 4                               Goucher       1 - 3
Goucher        1 - 4                               Drew            0 - 3

  Scheduling oddity: Drew starts conference play with 5 home games; Juniata 5 road games.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 18, 2009, 09:29:04 AM
Ronk: You make a great point on some of Megan's turnovers...often times they'll be attributed to her in the box score but, in all fairness, when you hit a teammate
with a catchable pass cutting to the basket & they don't handle it or seem surprised it came to them there's not much you can do except continiue to develop that familiarity in practice & hope it starts to click.
  I remember seeing Bobby Knight at a clinic at the Long Center years ago & he stated one of his top peeves of many was kids cutting to the basket & then not handling a perfect pass to them either directly to them or on a bounce. He went on to say why bother heading into traffic to get a good look and pass & then act like you never expected it. His feeling was the 4 other people without the ball at the time better be working to get a good look & they better be expecting the ball at any time. Perhaps a little tougher when you make the change at mid season but to be successful, it really does need to develop & sooner rather than later.
  All in all a great weekend for the ladies. I thought Catholic would present a very serious challenge especially after knocking Moravian off on Friday. To go down there & win on the last leg of the trip would have been great...to win by over 30 at their place was well beyond my expectations. The next challenge is not get caught up thinking everyone else will roll-over & the road to the championship will be easy...there are still a few land mines out there. If the ladies continue to stay hungry & develop those things will take care of themself. In the meantime, work on the foul shooting, ball handling & passing & pretty soon people will realize this very young team has grown up and they are ready.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rhino on January 23, 2009, 09:03:18 PM
I hope that a large crowd shows up at the Long Center on Sunday afternoon. If all goes well, and if fingers remain appropriately crossed, Mike Strong COULD record his 700th win. It would be terrific if there was a mountain of spectators on hand to witness this big moment in  DIII basketball history. Three factors should help bolster attendance: (1) there is no snow in the forecast, (2) the Lady Royals are really starting to get into gear, and (3) because it is Sportsmanship Day, all kids under the age of 18 will be admitted FREE!

I know that there are some posters who are distraught by the so-called "off" year that an 11-win Lady Royal team is suppossedly having; this just goes to show that all is relative. The Lady Royals have spoiled us with their phenomenal success. This sophomore-driven team, with developing freshman, and with Molly Klusek and Ryan Mooney coming on, is going to get better and better (if they keep their heads on straight). In fact, I will go out on a limb right now and predict that they will reach 20 wins this season--and there are only about a million teams that would love to have a "down" year like that.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rhino on January 24, 2009, 11:00:42 PM
699 and counting!!! Mike Strong is now just one win away from 700, after the Lady Royals put the Merchant Marine academy into "dry dock" with an impressive 73-43 victory. I have to say that Megan Kopecki is a talented young player, VERY talented. When she is on her game, she is a genuine joy to watch. And while Molly, Ryan, and the sophomores get a lot of attention, I think one can safely say that everyone should also watch out for two freshman who are on the rise: I predict that Sarah Gage and Emily Rainey are going to make some noise for this program; they do not get a tremendous amount of playing time right now, but they have been making the most out of the minutes they have been getting--they are nice looking young players.

Hope the Long Center is packed tomorrow as Strong goes for 700! Come and bring the kids (especially since your kids, if they are under 18, will get into the games for free tomorrow).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 24, 2009, 11:02:06 PM
Coach Strong now at 699 wins & counting after tonights walk through against MMA. The kids are playing loose & with a growing confidence each game. Win number 700 is extremly possible tomorrow afternoon vs. Drew. There is no question this Lady Royal team right now is easily as good as & better than a number of teams  currently in the Top 25. Perhaps a few voting members with some common sense will realize that this week & throw us a bone or two in the "others receiving votes" category.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rhino on January 25, 2009, 11:12:28 AM
I agree with Saratoga that the Lady Royals are now playing like a Top-25 team again. They rarely have to rebuild their team! But perhaps during the occasional season like this, when there was in fact some legitimate re-construction work to be done, the Lady Royals need only a "rebuilding half-season" instead of  the traditional rebuilding year. They are going to be very strong the rest of the way.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on January 25, 2009, 03:54:08 PM
From one of your former MAC cohorts, congratulations to Coach Mike Strong & the Lady Royals on Coach Strong's 700 career win.  We look forward to possibly seeing our old MAC buddies at play-off time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 25, 2009, 05:58:32 PM
Susquehanna gets a two-fer at home this weekend, over Catholic and Goucher. Goucher has a pretty good freshman in Kiara Doughty - really gobbles up the rebounds and is fast and tenacious. Look forward to seeing how she develops over the years.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rhino on January 25, 2009, 07:05:18 PM
Kate,
Thanks for coming on here to congratulate Coach Strong. Very nice of you. You are the No. 1 Dvision III Womens' Basketball Fan.  And now that the Lady Royals have left the Freedom Conference, I would be very pleased to see Delaware Valley step up and win a championship in that league.

Kudos to a plucky Drew University team that made the Lady Royals work very hard for the 700th win. Drew played effectively until the Lady Royals finally pulled away in the second half. Every time Scranton would start to make a little run and try to extend the lead, Drew would hang tough and hit a big "three" or grab a key offensive rebound--especially in the first half. In fairness, however, it should be noted that Drew committed a tremendous number of fouls trying to keep pace with more talented Lady Royals.  Nevertheless, Drew played hard.

Congratulations to Coach Strong--the winningest active coach in Division III women's basketball. He achieved 700 in fewer years time than did the only other 700-win coach in the DIII women's game.  In fact, what is staggering is the fact that over the last 28 years Mike Strong has AVERAGED 24.5 wins per season!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 25, 2009, 08:04:20 PM
Rhino: First off, congratulations to Coach Strong on this monumental achievment. Agreed, Kate is the # 1 D-III fan as witnessed by her recent induction into the DVC Hall of Fame. Also agree that Drew played about as well as they could & when Scranton's perimiter defense was slow to react or simply did not switch on screens, they were quite comfotable firing away & did hit numerous 3's to keep it close...for about 25 minutes. Once the Lady Royals came to terms with the fact Drew was not going to go back to Madison quietly...they picked up the D, then the Ranger shots started falling short, their legs became a little heavier & they pretty much ran out of gas & personal fouls.
  One can only hope that the D3 editorial crew will be coming up with a lead on Coach Strong's 700th. victory & some other information on his program very soon. Headlines regarding number 1 teams getting knocked off are a dime a dozen each & every year. Coaches putting together 700 wins all at one school are pretty special & are deserving of some serious attention. After all, only 11 other coaches in ALL divisions have accomplished this feat in the history of college basketball so having one of our own...so to speak, should be worthy of a D3 lead...if only for a day.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 25, 2009, 08:16:02 PM
  Congrats to Coach Strong; nice Dean Corwin interview with Jen Nish reflecting on playing for Coach Strong. One of Jen's years was Mike's sabbatical year when they won 24 games that could have been on his record.
  No change in the RS as the home team won all 8 games this weekend.

Standings                                           RS

Scranton       6 - 1                              Scranton       2 - 0
Moravian       6 - 1                              Moravian      1 - 0
Susque         4 - 3                              Susque         1 - 0
MMA              3 - 4                              Juniata         1 - 0
Juniata          3 - 4                              Catholic        2 - 1
Catholic         3 - 4                              MMA             0 - 1
Drew             2 - 5                              Goucher       1 - 3
Goucher        1 - 6                              Drew            0 - 3

  Although theoretically, the second half results could be the reverse of the 1st half, RS indicates a battle for 4th playoff position between CU and Juniata, each with 5 home games in 2nd half; decider could be the game betwwen them @ CU.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 26, 2009, 02:14:48 PM
Thanks Pat & crew for getting a lead up on Coach Strong's 700th. victory. Looks great.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 26, 2009, 08:23:04 PM
I was hoping to see the Top 25 voting panel give the Lady Royals one or two votes this week in the "others receiving votes" category just to recognize that they are coming on & will present some challenges down the stretch. I'm very pleasantly surprised by actually seeing 3 votes come their way. On behalf of Lady Royal fans everywhere, thank you to those 3 wise men...or women...or combination therof.
  I'd also like to wish a very speedy recovery to one of Scranton's most loyal supporters that will be having some surgery this week in California. All the best Jerry...hope to see you & Mark when you fly in for the Drew/MMA series in 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rhino on January 27, 2009, 02:22:17 PM
I join Saratoga in expressing elation about the Lady Royals' recognition in the "others receving category." If they continue to improve and hold their focus, they could end up back in theirperennial nesting place--the TOP 25--before the end of the regular season.

Ryan and Molly continue to improve; and Kelly Tratthen is a force on the offensive boards. Meanwhile, many members of the talented sophomore class (especially, Courtney, Jen, and Colleen) are maturing at a steady rate--and if the freshmen Sarah Gage and Emily Rainey can continue to contribute solid minutes, the Lady Royals could be pretty dangerous down the stretch.

As for Ms. Megan, she is very, very gifted; now, she only needs to push herself harder than ever--immerse herself in that traditional Lady Royals' work ethic, all the while reciting to herself the old Beatles' mantra: "Baby, you can drive my car--yes, I'm gonna be a star."
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 27, 2009, 02:46:39 PM
   Amber lights ahead for the Royals/Greyhounds' bandwagons as two consecutive weekends on the road could witness the closest games of the year for the conference.
   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 30, 2009, 03:33:16 PM
   For those Royals' fans not traveling over hill and dale to Huntingdon for the games today, Juniata, on the school schedule web site(not D3hoops' schedule) is offering live video. I watched a few mins of their game with Catholic last weekend and while the speed isn't up to the level of other videocasts, it's worth watching. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 31, 2009, 10:44:57 PM


Standings                                           RS

Scranton        8 - 1                              Scranton       4 - 0
Moravian        7 - 2                              Moravian      2 - 0
Catholic         5 - 4                              Catholic        2 - 1
MMA              4 - 5                              MMA             1 - 1
Juniata          4 - 5                              Juniata         1 - 1
Susque          4 - 5                             Susque          1 - 2
Drew             3 - 6                              Drew            1 - 3
Goucher         1 - 8                             Goucher        1 - 5
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 01, 2009, 12:33:05 PM
Congratulations to the Lady Royals on picking up two huge road victories this weekend at two very tough places to play. With such a young team there are certainly lapses at times but, they really have continued to get better & better & find a way to get it done. Not always artistic, sometimes organized chaos...but, a win is a win is a win. As most coaches will tell you, they'll take an ugly win over a pretty loss any day.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 07, 2009, 08:30:08 PM
   Lady Royals jump off to 22-2 lead, hold at least a 14-pt ad in defeating Drew 69-53 and clinching a berth in conference playoffs.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 08, 2009, 05:20:40 PM

Standings                                           RS

Scranton       10 - 1                              Scranton       6 - 0
Moravian        8 - 3                              Moravian       3 - 0
Juniata          6 - 5                              Juniata          3 - 1
Susque          6 - 5                              Susque          3 - 2
Catholic         5 - 6                              Catholic         2 - 3
MMA              5 - 6                              MMA             1 - 2
Drew             3 - 8                              Drew             1 - 5
Goucher         1 - 10                            Goucher         1 - 7

Royals clinch a home playoff game. Looking bleak for CUA/MMA with only 1 home game left.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 09, 2009, 09:43:43 PM
   Lady Royals receive 20 voting points in latest D3hoops poll(up from 3, previous week). Also, they have the 2nd toughest schedule according to today's stats. With Kean and Moravian still to be played, they might end up with the toughest schedule.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 11, 2009, 02:31:45 PM
   Video listed as available for Kean game tonight on D3hoops home page.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 11, 2009, 02:55:38 PM
NCAA brain-drain central has just released the 1st. womens Regional Rankings & they are in typical NCAA fashion...seriously devoid of higher cognitive functioning.
 1. Messiah...no problem at all. 2. MORAVIAN...are you serious??? The same Moravian that lost to Catholic 2 weeks ago that Scranton defeated by 30 the next day? The same Moravian that just lost on Sat. to MMA that Scranton defeated...the next day? 3.Muhlenberg...no issue. 4. Desales...about right. 5. Scranton 6. Cabrini.
 I realize this order can change in a heartbeat...but, based on the NCAA's own guidelines, isn't the way a team has played in recent games supposed to mean something?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2009, 02:59:36 PM
No, performance in last 10 games, last 25 percent of the season, etc., is not part of the criteria.

http://www.d3hoops.com/faq.php?question=45
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 11, 2009, 06:22:45 PM
Pat, thanks for the clarification on that point. However, based on the "other" standards set forth by the NCAA, I'm confused as to how Scranton's ranking of 2nd. toughest schedule in the nation was overlooked. Or how about the "same win/loss % in region", or "in region results vs. common opponents" (see previous post). I mean was the NCAA brain trust even reading their own guidelines?
  To some degree this isn't that big a deal because Scranton could lose tonight at Kean & lose to Catholic on Sat. & people will be saying to the effect that the NCAA did get it right. However...they didn't get it right because the rankings are NOT a projection of where a team MAY end up, rather they are to be based on what a team has done to that particular point in time & in that regard they got it very wrong.
  My other worry is if the NCAA can be this sloppy in adhering to their own guidelines now...how will this play out when it's to be decided who's in or out...who travels & who stays home & what do the brackets look like.
  Every year I have renewed hopes that the NCAA will reinvent itself & move forward beyond provincial thinking or to any form of thinking at all...  then this nonsense happens & I once again realize the fate of some really talented teams are being judged by far too many that either never actually played college ball or were absent when common sense was handed out.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 11, 2009, 09:09:51 PM
   Lady Royals struggle @ Kean but prevail 61-59. 25 Royal TOs, missed FTs, and 22 offensive rebounds by Kean were big factors. Big hustle game for Molly with 16 points and 7 blocks, Ryan with a big 3 pointer to give an 8 pt lead with 1 1/2 min to go and Megan with a good all-around game and great pass to Molly for a no-dribble layup late in the game. Big victory against a tough opponent on the road should help the Royals' resume.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 12, 2009, 02:12:12 AM
Just because you don't like the result doesn't mean it's sloppy. You've cited some interesting things but here are the results with actual selection criteria: regional win-loss percentage, opponents winning percentage, opponents' opponents winning percentage, results vs. regionally ranked opponents. These, sir, are "the NCAA's own guidelines."

Mid-Atlantic Region W-L WL% OWP OOWP RRO
1. Messiah 18-2 .905     .561     .557 1-1
2. Moravian 16-4 .810     .641     .557 3-0
3. Muhlenberg 18-3 .857     .543     .517 1-1
4. DeSales 17-4 .810     .621     .538 3-2
5. Scranton 16-4 .810     .674     .551 1-3
6. Cabrini 14-4 .789     .566     .501 0-2

That's cool that you cite a common opponent for Scranton being ranked ahead of Moravian. How about the head-to-head result? That's an NCAA guideline.

Similar winning percentage, somewhat lower OWP, slightly higher OOWP, a head-to-head victory and a significantly better set of results against other teams in this regional ranking.

Seems clear to me. They are reading their guidelines. Are you?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 12, 2009, 02:49:23 AM
Sorry -- I get riled up when someone accuses the committee of nonsense just because they don't like or understand the result.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheNextLevel on February 12, 2009, 10:09:50 AM
I agree that Moravian is way over-rated & Scranton is the better team...but Pat is right that the system was used and there is some human input (sometimes bias).   Like any other system there are always going to be abnormalities (think BCS in football).  That's why we have a playoff!  Even that can get skewed by upsets. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 12, 2009, 12:54:41 PM
Pat: I don't like the result because it makes minimal sense. I failed to mention head to head because that is but one of the guidelines listed. Are you implying that games vs. common opponents is of little consequence, or just another thing to consider. Think about that as a factor & whether it should mean something when one team is beating Team A & the other is losing...in the same conference & virtually everything else is a wash.
  I guess it's only ok to question "selections" when you feel they are questionable...please refer to Moravian men last year. Personally, I really could care less right now where they (Lady Royals) are ranked. All I care is that the NCAA uses some common sense when reviewing the guidelines & making the selections.
  I also could care less that D3 Hoops has yet to rank the Lady Royals when the coaches have them 18th. this week I believe. It's all subjective right now & once the NCAA's start it all washes out...my hope & only hope regardless whether Scranton gets in or not is that the NCAA gets it right & that means from the selections to the seedings.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 12, 2009, 02:21:29 PM
If we point out something that's questionable, it's from an unbiased point of view and it's using the actual criteria. You seem focused on one little piece that affects your favorite team and you're forming accusations from that.

I am sure that Scranton will beat Moravian the second time around. However, with an identical record and a head-to-head win and a better record against regionally ranked opponents, Moravian has the advantage, right now, exactly as the NCAA guidelines say they should.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 12, 2009, 04:09:06 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 12, 2009, 02:49:23 AM
Sorry -- I get riled up when someone accuses the committee of nonsense just because they don't like or understand the result.

Pat,
  I give you an MSM(Moderator Self-Moderation) rating of .57, comparable to the OWP rating of very good.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on February 12, 2009, 04:15:40 PM
Can not believe that i'm following all this, but who has the movie rights?  And i thought I was passionate about my Aggies - Holy cow (no pun), there ain't no passion like Royall passion!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 13, 2009, 11:35:46 AM
This will be the last time I revisit this because I still can't fathom the thinking on the Moravian # 2 Regional Ranking & Scranton's # 5 spot.
  For instance, Moravian has 4 losses & they are to: 1. Rochester (19-1) 2. Catholic (12-10 /5-6) 3. Juniata (12-10 /6-5) 4. MMA (12-10 /5-6). The combined won/loss records for these schools is 55-31.
  Scranton has 4 losses & they are to: Desales (18-4) 2. Messiah (20-2) 3. Moravian (18-4) 4. Rochester (19-1). These schools have a combined won/loss record of 75-11. Each & every one of Scranton's losses were to teams ranked in the D3 Hoops Top 25 at that time.
  Therefore, if Scranton has supposidly the 2nd. toughest schedule in the nation, has the same total losses, has 1 conference loss compaired to Moravian's 3 losses & have their losses to teams with a far better winning % (OWP), how can Moravian possibly be in the # 2 spot with two other schools (Muhlenberg & Desales) between them?
  I truly believe if these circumstances were reviewed by 100 independent basketball savy people we would end up with a vastly different looking ranking.
  As far as I'm concerned, the Lady Royals are just as capable of losing their final 3 games as they are of winning them. They are a very young team comprised of virtually all freshmen & sophmores with 1 junior, 1 redshirt senior & 1 senior. They make far too many turnovers & far too few free throws to be a serious threat on the national scene...this year. That said, it's probably Coach Strong's best coaching job in a number of years to get these kids knocking on the door of the NCAA's yet again in this supposed "down year". The Lady Royals are not good enough to take any team for granted & they have to work their tails off for everything they get.
  All I care about is regardless of which team gets selected, make sure that selection is based on merit, content & common sense as opposed to some questionable reasoning based on some obscure technicality. The End!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 13, 2009, 02:31:14 PM
If you're coming out to the Susquehanna-Merchant Marine game tomorrow, wear pink!

http://www.susqu.edu/Sports/releases/Winter08-09/womens_basketball-pink_zone_day.html
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 13, 2009, 04:55:27 PM
Again, you fail to get it. It's not an obscure technicality. They are THE RULES. They are printed and made available to everyone and they have been consistent for years.

You should let it go since Scranton still has control of its destiny, with at least one more game against Moravian. But right now, apparently Scranton lost a game that it shouldn't have and you look like you are trying to find any detail you can to get around the printed guidelines.

Win your games. Losing to your fellow playoff contenders is NEVER good, not even in November or December. All in-region games count, no matter when they were played.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 13, 2009, 08:20:40 PM
You are so right...Scranton may have lost a game they shouldn't have. Then again, it appears Moravian lost at least two more games beyond that they shouldn't have. Losing to your "fellow" conference teams with no better than .500 records can NEVER be good...or can it?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 13, 2009, 10:40:08 PM
Yeah, I was right, you aren't going to get it. Oh well.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 15, 2009, 04:40:20 PM

Standings                                           RS

Scranton        12 -  1                              Scranton       6 - 0
Moravian       10 -  3                              Moravian       3 - 0
Juniata           8 -  5                              Juniata         3 - 1
Susque           8 -  5                              Susque         3 - 2
Catholic          5 -  8                              Catholic        2 - 3
MMA               5 -  8                               MMA            1 - 2
Drew              3 - 10                              Drew            1 - 5
Goucher          1 - 12                             Goucher         1 - 7

Pa. schools hold serve for the weekend. Scr clinches home court for playoffs;will play loser of Sus-Jun; Moravian plays the winner.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: The Ticket on February 15, 2009, 06:07:37 PM
Saratoga -  Show Pat where losing to conference opponents, or teams with low winnng %, or where your only losses are to teams in the top 25 are NCAA ranking criteria and he will agree with you.

In your initial post you attacked those who do the rankings for not following their own criteria, being biased, being stupid, and having never played the game.  Pat was just correctly pointing out why the criteria support the rankings, to which you bring up items --- while correct in support of Scranton as a better team --- are not criteria listed ( and therefor not used is my guess ) in the ranking process. 

This is not Jay Bilas on ESPN talking about good wins and bad losses.  There is no such thing in D3.  Regional Win %, (Scranton/Moravian tied) strenght of schedule ( advantage Scranton), head to head,(advantage Moravian) wins against regionally ranked teams (advantage Moravian) seems to carry the day. Scranton has the advantage in only schedule as I see it. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 15, 2009, 07:58:32 PM
Ticket: As I've stated, I in no way assume Scranton is better than Moravian or any other team. What I do find is that the difference between the two is minimal at best and clear as mud. If Moravian has these "slight" advantages, my question is how do 2 other schools come between them? If Moravian is truly the # 2 Regional team, why isn't Scranton right behind them at # 3? It really is similiar to last season when the Moravian men made it to the tourney & many associated with this board were left wondering how that happened. I in no way want to imply Moravian does not deserve to be Regionally ranked...I just can not buy into Scranton being ranked 2 slots lower. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 15, 2009, 08:19:08 PM
Probably because of the 1-3 record against regionally ranked opponents, whereas Muhlenberg was 1-1, DeSales 3-2.

Also, Moravian beat DeSales head-to-head and DeSales beat Scranton so that helps justify DeSales being ahead of Scranton. Muhlenberg beat DeSales as well. The head-to-head results are a good separator here.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 25, 2009, 04:26:58 PM
  Newest regional rankings are out today and Lady Royals with a win over Moravian and credit for 3 wins, formerly out-of-region, move to #1 in the Mid-Atlantic.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 25, 2009, 10:17:37 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 25, 2009, 04:26:58 PM
  Newest regional rankings are out today and Lady Royals with a win over Moravian and credit for 3 wins, formerly out-of-region, move to #1 in the Mid-Atlantic.
Wow, Saratoga has some power.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 26, 2009, 12:42:17 PM
Lefty: I only wish that were true! We go back quite a few years & let me personally state you have always done a great job in the position you have.
   Regarding the "other" board,I haven't seen Kate this fired up since DVC lost a 10 point lead & the game in the final 2 minutes at the Long Center a few years back.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 26, 2009, 02:29:38 PM
Thanks Mr. Toga.

It seems like a lifetime ago that you were in a Cougars uniform.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on February 26, 2009, 04:15:30 PM
Oh my heavens, Saratoga - ya learn something new and interesting EVERY day!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 26, 2009, 04:57:13 PM
Do we have a cougar in a Royals clothing?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 26, 2009, 05:19:01 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 26, 2009, 04:57:13 PM
Do we have a cougar in a Royals clothing?

I wouldn't go that far.

Ironically, it was Royal blue.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 26, 2009, 05:56:37 PM
Ronk: it was actually a Royal in Cougarland for a few years. A great group of guys & ladies...many still there in various professional capacities.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 01, 2009, 03:44:52 PM
Congratulations to Coach Strong, his staff & all the Lady Royals on claiming another Landmark championship.
  Perhaps his best coaching job in recent years to take this group of underclassmen with little game experience to this point.
  With the current number 1 Regional ranking & the ability to pull in a great crowd as evidenced by many other NCAA hosting experiences...I would certainly think that Scranton clearly has to be considered as one of next weekends host sights. 




Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on March 01, 2009, 06:42:03 PM
Saratoga, i do have to agree with you about Coach Strong.  We saw the Lady Bulldogs beat the Royals in the beginning of the season, & to do what Coach did in a three month period of games is really great.  Actually we were hoping that an NCAA game might be a little closer for those of us folllowing the MAC, but if it would be in the afternoon, not so bad.  You undoubtedly know that Widener captured the Commonwealth.  Congratulations to the Lady Royals, & perhaps we'll get to see them play again this season.  i also noticed that the top teams in your conference were - former MAC  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 02, 2009, 02:23:56 PM
I don't think we'll get that chance Kate the way the brackets are set up.
  What I find pretty hard to fathom is not how Moravian got in...kind of a no brainer...but, how on earth did they get to host? This is the one area that jumped off the page to me anyway. I mean they come in 2nd. from a league with no AQ with a record of 21-6 & somehow end up hosting over the CC champion Mules from Muhlenberg at 24-3 who are sent "packing" through the snow to Bowdoin???
  I realize the NCAA wants teams geograpically bunched together whenever possible. However, that could have been accomplished with those very same teams coming to a conference champion (Muhlenberg) & sending the Greyhounds to the land of lobster. Does this decision mean that one early season loss head to head outweighs everything else?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 02, 2009, 03:05:50 PM
  That's probably what it meant even though it didn't prevent the Royals from jumping over DeSales and Messiah in the final regional rankings.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on March 02, 2009, 03:15:52 PM
Selfishly, i'm glad that Moravian is hosting, down the road & around the corner for us.  Particularly nice if it's a night game, which i'm sure it will be.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 02, 2009, 03:18:17 PM
Exactly. Highly questionable decision. When the doors to the NCAA thought process are finally opened, I'd love to hear the justification for this one.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 02, 2009, 03:21:31 PM
Kate: Yes, you'll be able to catch Desales in your back yard now. However, if the game were at 17th. & Chew I bet that extra 10 minutes would not have stopped you. ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on March 04, 2009, 12:46:12 PM
2008-09 All-Landmark Conference Women's Basketball Team
First Team
Pos-Name, School, Class, Hometown(High School)
G-Claudia McDowell, Juniata, Sr., Alexandria, Pa. (Juniata Valley)
G-Kate Harrison, Moravian, Jr., Cold Spring Harbor, N.Y. (Cold Spring Harbor)
G-Megan Kopecki, Scranton, So., Millington, N.J. (Watchung Hills Regional)
G-Stephanie Waller, USMMA, Sr., Brookfield, Wis. (Brookfield East)
F-Brianna Peterson, Catholic, So., Garnerville, N.Y. (North Rockland)
F-Kelly Ashcraft, Juniata, Sr., Bellefonte, Pa. (State College)

Second Team
Pos-Name, School, Class, Hometown/High School
G-Rachael Hughes, Susquehanna, So., Gordon, Pa. (North Schuylkill)
F-Alyssa Bisci, Moravian, Jr., Easton, Pa. (Easton)
G-Ryan Mooney, Scranton, Jr., Spring City, Pa. (Pius X)
F-Amber Smith, Goucher, Jr., Baltimore, Md. (Institute of Notre Dame)
F-Libby Shober, Susquehanna, Fr., Barnesville, Pa. (Marian Catholic)
F-May Marie Hayes, USMMA, Sr., Pearland, Texas (Pearland)

Player of the Year: Megan Kopecki, Scranton
Defensive Player of the Year: Claudia McDowell, Juniata
Rookie of the Year: Libby Shober, Susquehanna
Coaching Staff of the Year: Susquehanna University (Head Coach, Jim Reed)

Congrats to all the honorees, especially Susquehanna's! Nice job, Coaches Reed and Geise!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 08, 2009, 06:48:44 AM
Congratulations to Univ. of Scranton Coach Mike Strong, his staff & certainly his players for reaching yet another Sweet 16. Many people (myself included), were just hoping these kids would continue to progress & hopefully challenge for a Landmark playoff spot. What this edition of the Lady Royals have accomplished thus far is nothing short of incredable.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 13, 2009, 10:34:40 PM
   Lady Royals scramble to a win over York in the "swimming pool" 50-46. They overcame a 12-0 run by York at the beginning by forcing 25 TOs and making 5 3s to York's 2. York controlled the boards and got loose for several backdoor baseline layups, but the Royals, as they have done all year, found a way to take the lead late in the 2nd half and held on.
  They'll play The College of New Jersey,upset victors over hometown Rochester. Their strength is the inside play of Klimowicz(D1 transfer) and Gregorek and one 3 pt-shooter(Michaela?).
  Congrats Lady Royals and take it to them.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on March 14, 2009, 10:27:08 AM
Good Morning Ronk, i'm sincerely happy for you & the Lady Royals - Coach Strong and that team have done a magnificent job from November to date.  Believe me, i do miss Scranton & the competition.  Manhattanville, & of course, DeSale's are the teams to beat this year.  i'm sure King's will re-surface.  Anyway, you are being followed - incidentally, TCNJ is nothing to sneeze at  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 14, 2009, 10:13:04 PM
   The Lady Royals run in the NCAA tourney ended tonight with a 54-48 loss to TCNJ. They had another stifling defensive effort with a +9 in forcing TOs and a +7 in steals combined with remarkable 17-21 foul-shooting but couldn't solve TCNJ's matchup zone defense with satisfactory post passing to free up open shots on the perimeter, resulting in 3-24 3-pt shooting.
   After trailing 29-23 at the half, the Royals had a 44-41 lead with 3 mins to go and Megan in the process of stealing a pass with nobody between her and the basket but she grazed the sideline and TCNJ scored the next 8 points to go ahead 49-44. A woulda been moment.
   Still, the ladies made a run this year well beyond anybody's expectations, putting their own stamp on a chapter in the successful tradition that is Lady Royals bball, so congrats to them and Coach Strong for a job well done..
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 14, 2009, 11:27:52 PM
This edition of the UofS Lady Royals should have their own section of prominance in the hallowed halls of the Long Center. This is a TEAM that wasn't even picked to win their own conference championship let alone make it all the way to the Elite 8. They are a perfect example of how determination & resolve mixed in with passion & relentless defense can turn a pretty good team into one that just missed a Final Four with probably less actual talent than at least 50 other squads.
  Coach Strong & his staff did a remarkable job with essentially all sophs & freshmen. Nothing to feel bad about...this group rode it as far as possible when few, if any, of the so called experts even noticed them until 3 weeks ago.
  From what many of us have heard, this will be another fantastic recruiting year for the Lady Royals...so perhaps next years TEAM will not have the luxury of flying under the radar. Congratulations again to what is perhaps the most consistant basketball program in the history of DIII.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 03, 2009, 05:24:38 PM
 Next year's schedule is up on team web site; Muhlenberg tournament probably available on Internet TV.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on June 03, 2009, 08:14:08 PM
Hello Ronk! - can not believe you and the Lady Royals will be in the town next store, so to speak, for your opening tournament!  If we weren't going to Annville that weekend, we would undoubtedly be hitting one of your games!  Coach Rohn  and Muhlenberg run a very classy tourney (we were there three years ago), so  you all should have a great time! 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 03, 2009, 10:00:22 PM
Kate,
Saw Lebanon Valley play twice in the Gettysburg tournament and they'll return the major part of their team, so youll have a good test if you play them.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on June 30, 2009, 11:27:14 AM
Boy it's quiet in here...

Susquehanna's new sports site launched today: http://www.gosusqu.com/
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on July 01, 2009, 11:18:39 AM
Good morning, Grove - new athletic web site looks good, but for a second there, i thought you guys changed your name from Susquehanna U to Landmark U  ;)  very prominent!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on July 01, 2009, 11:50:56 AM
That's just cause our athletes generate a lot of Landmark awards.  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on July 10, 2009, 12:33:40 PM
UofS website update...Lady Royals announce 3 more additions to their freshman class. Some very talented kids from great programs. At least 2 of the 4 announced freshmen should get serious playing time on a team that returns all but one player...another great job by Coach Strong & his staff.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on July 29, 2009, 12:24:12 AM
  I spent today at a very good girls' high school tournament http:www.bestofmd.net  . Teams included 2008 Pa. champ Central Dauphin(with a MD recruit), current champ Mount Lebanon, schools from NJ, NY,WV, KY, OH, NC, FL, and many DC-Balt suburbs. Mount Lebanon, with 3 D1 prospects won it all and look capable of defending their state title. One very good offensive player from NC and only a rising junior so she could be Duke, NC, TN level player by the time she graduates.
  Programs were only available to the college coaches in attendance so it was hard to gather info about any Dlll prospects to be lady Royals. You want somebody good enough for a strong program but not so good as to draw competition from the lesser Dl schools. A Loyola coach concurred on a prospect that I had seen this past year as a Dll at best, not lower Dl, so I'll check her out again this coming year along with a few that I saw today..
  I talked with the Goucher coach for a few mins and remarked that her team improved this year over their 1st Landmark year and she agreed that she was happy with her frosh class this past year and hopeful for her incoming class.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: RoyalGator on October 08, 2009, 06:06:12 AM
Was looking the Lady Royals schedule, and I saw we are playing the Trinity (TX) team on Dec. 20.  This is very intriguing and will most likely make my way down from Connecticut to see this game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on October 08, 2009, 12:07:22 PM
RoyalGator: I'm pretty sure the game vs. Trinity is in a tournament Scranton is playing in LasVegas. Looks like they have Wisconsin Whitewater the night before so once again, Coach Strong puts together one tough non-conference schedule that will rank as one of the nation's strongest.
   By the way, is the thesis completed? If so, congratulations RoyalGator Ph.D.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 07, 2009, 08:46:00 AM
Congratulations to Scranton's Megan Kopecki...just named D3 Hoops Pre Season All-American...First Team!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 12, 2009, 11:06:55 PM
In a related note... I certainly think Pat & company did a great job in their recent previews of both the F&M men and the Scranton women. I seriously doubt either team will go quietly into the season as they did last year.
  Regarding Scranton's schedule...as if it were not tough enough, it appears the two schools they'll be playing in Las Vegas were not penciled in at the time the article was submitted. Those schools have now been announced...Wisconsin Whitewater & Trinity (Texas) are also on Scranton's schedule. Ouch!
  Congrats to Coach Strong & staff for playing the best & making his schedule once again one of the toughest in D3.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 18, 2009, 02:16:29 PM
Susquehanna opened its season last night with a heartbreaker in Selinsgrove, falling to Messiah 73-72 on last-second free throws by the Falcons.

http://www.gosusqu.com/sports/women/wbkb/2009-10/news/messiah_11-17
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 20, 2009, 10:45:34 PM
  Took in the Lady Royals against Alvernia this afternoon; they built a large lead via 7 3s in the 1st half from Jenny and Megan and numerous steals, turnovers and transition baskets in the 2nd. Alvernia knocked off 15 points from the lead by offensive board work and foul shooting.
  Of the newcomers, Tayler Pallotta looks like the real deal: can run, jump, defend, set picks for Megan(and anyone else willing to play pick-and-roll), and shoot the in-the-paint jumper. The rest looked promising,as well. Shernai Bentley was aggressive in-the-paint offensively in a brief stint and was able to swish her only 2 foul shots.
  Of the returnees, Sidney appeared to have made the most improvement in performance and assertiveness.
  Big challenge tomorrow when they face the Mules led by Alex Chili. She resembles Taryn Mellody as a 3-pt shooter(96 last year as a frosh) and is an outstanding entry passer, as well. Hopefully, Ryan and mates will be able to keep the ball out of her hands.
Game will be videostreamed live for you home gamers. get the link off the Mules web site.
                     
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 22, 2009, 12:04:50 PM
Very big early season win for Scranton last evening vs. Muhlenberg in the championship of the Mules Scotty Wood Tournament. Great balence inside & out with Scranton's scoring & one relentless defense that totally shut down Muhlenberg's top scorers.
  The Mules are a very good team that will be around at tournament time. Scranton seems very well conditioned, very deep & they play unselfish ball with a serious passion for defense. I think this has been a descriptive on the Lady Royals for 25 years straight. Great win!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: fourguysdone on December 10, 2009, 12:16:20 PM
this year's goucher squad is deeper then the last few years, plays solid defense   not clear offensive strategy yet and the young players throw up some crazy stuff but they could be a problem for some teams down the road if they learn how to score consistently
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: mytwocents on December 13, 2009, 07:57:48 AM
Just looked at the Scranton schedule, wow.  Kean, Whitewater and Trinity Tex all within a week. The Royals sure will be battled tested going into conference play and tourney time.   Coach Strong and staff do an amazing job year after year, one heck of a program. Best of Luck Royals.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 22, 2009, 05:36:40 PM
  Lady Royals go 2-2 in 4-game stretch against top 25 teams, losing to Moravian and Kean at home and beating UW-Whitewater and Trinity(Tex) in Las Vegas. For Pool C considerations, the losses will count in-region, but the wins will not. Whitewater was missing their leading scorer/rebounder(Dana Thompson) so they should be stronger upon her return.
  Kean appears underrated nationally with only loss to D1 power Rutgers.
  One more tuneup for the ladies(Albright) before the 2nd season(conference play) resumes.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on January 09, 2010, 12:41:13 PM
Jenny McGann lifts Women's Basketball to 73-71 Win Over Juniata

1/8/10

WASHINGTON-- Brianna Peterson dropped 28 points but her most memorable play of the evening was a laser pass inbound from the far baseline that one hopped up into the waiting hands of Jenny McGann. McGann's layup with 4.1 seconds remaining put the Cardinals on top 73-71 over conference rival Juniata.

Peterson shot 9-of-17 from the field and converted 6-of-8 free throws, leading CUA with 28 points. J. McGann and Jill Woerner both finished in double figures with 17 and 11 points, respectively. 

Four Eagles finished in double figures for Juniata, led by Kelly Rotan with 18 points and 10 rebounds.

The Cards led early in the first half, breaking out to a five-point lead with 15:46 remaining in the first half, but back-to-back triples by the Eagles put the visitors on top. Juniata led for the remainder of the half expanding its lead to as many as 15 before settling on an eight-point advantage heading into the locker room, 28-36.

CUA ran away with the scoring early in the second half, knotting the game at 36 less then three minutes in.  Triples were the answer again for the Eagles as they again hit back-to-back shots and pulled away.

The visitors again expanded their lead to 13 with 11:17 remaining before the Cards began to cut away at the advantage. With solid shooting and defense, CUA again knotted the game, this time at 60 with 5:07 left.

It appeared that CUA would again find themselves trailing after the Eagles hit two triples, but a layup between them and five straight free throws converted by Peterson would put the Cards up three with only 36 seconds remaining.

Juniata answered with a triple to knot the game at 69. Jill Woerner gave the Cards an advantage with a layup with eight seconds left. A foul by Kate Robinson would give Ashton Bankos a chance to tie the game with 4.1 seconds on two free throws.  Bankos converted both and the Cards called a timeout to setup their inbound play.

Peterson took the inbound at the baseline and made a pass that one-hopped into Jenny McGann's hands at the opposite foul line. McGann completed the play with just over two seconds remaining and the following inbound pass was intercepted to seal the victory for the Cards.

CUA will return to the hardwood this afternoon as the Cards will take on Susquehanna University at 2 p.m.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on January 09, 2010, 06:38:04 PM
Woener and McGann Lift Women's Basketball to 55-44 Win Over Susquehanna

1/9/10

WASHINGTON-- Jill Woerner and Jenny McGann each scored 16 points as CUA (10-3, 3-0 LC) dropped Susquehanna (7-7, 1-2 LC), 55-45 on Saturday.

Brianna Peterson added 13 for CUA joining McGann and Woerner in double figures. Woerner also added 10 rebounds for a double double along with four blocks and three steals.

Rachael Hughes led the was for the Crusaders with 15 points and four rebounds.

The teams exchanged small leads for much of the first half, but a Woerner triple with 7:12 remaining sparked a 8-0 run that put the Cards ahead for good. At the break CUA led by two, 28-26.

The second half was all CUA as the Cardinals out scored their opponents 27-19 shooting 10-of-25 from the field and adding seven from the charity stripe. The Cards used a steady dose of solid shooting and strong defense to maintain their lead that never expanded to double digits until Woerner hit the last shot of the game, a free throw with 41 seconds remaining.

The Cardinals shot just 36.5% from the field in the game, but 16 free throws and 12 steals helped list the hosts to the victory.

CUA will return to action on Saturday, January 16 at 5:30 p.m. as the Cardinals will take on USMMA in Landmark Conference action.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 27, 2010, 11:57:53 PM
  The Lady Royals ran into a sticky man-to-man defense and were smothered by the Lady Falcons of Messiah 62-55 tonight. Julie Henninger was able to deny the ball to Megan K and, with the help of her teammates, also foiled the roll half of the pick and roll offense resulting in mostly forced shots(even the successful ones) for most of the game.
   On offense, Messiah had good interior passing leading to layups and were successful on the offensive boards. Scranton did make runs at the beginning and end of the 2nd half with intensified pressure.
  In all fairness, yours truly didn't play any better than the Royals, missing a 3-pt shot during the halftime break in my quest for a Messiah t-shirt.
  I did get to discuss the game, teams, and Mid-Atlantic hoops in general with game broadcaster Gordon Mann. 
 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on January 28, 2010, 09:39:49 AM
Good morning, Ronk.  Boy, am i jealous, you got to chat with Gordon last night about b'ball in the Mid-Atlantic!  Tough loss for the Lady Royals, but i'm sure you enjoyed yourself.  Sorry to say, i've never been to Messiah, but following our D3 teams we all certainly get around.  We still miss you, U of S, and Drew.  Hope you keep track of your "old league".   Have fun the rest of the season - how come each year seems to go faster & faster?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 28, 2010, 11:25:46 AM
Kate,
   Yes, I still keep an eye on the 'old' league as well as any likely Lady Royals possible tournament foes; it's getting a little easier with more schools videocasting games.
   I asked Gordon for continued coverage(games,Hoopsvillle,etc.) on the women's side and he mentioned that the Mid-Atlantic fans were among the stronger supporters of that side of D3hoops and I brought up your name expressly in that regard.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 28, 2010, 11:42:20 AM
Quote from: kate on January 28, 2010, 09:39:49 AM
Good morning, Ronk.  Boy, am i jealous, you got to chat with Gordon last night about b'ball in the Mid-Atlantic!  Tough loss for the Lady Royals, but i'm sure you enjoyed yourself.  Sorry to say, i've never been to Messiah, but following our D3 teams we all certainly get around.  We still miss you, U of S, and Drew.  Hope you keep track of your "old league".   Have fun the rest of the season - how come each year seems to go faster & faster?

No love for Susquehanna, kate? I'm hurt.  :'(
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on January 28, 2010, 12:47:01 PM
Howdy, Grove - remember you guys were in the "other half" of the league so unfortunately we didn't get to play you or Juniata that often.  Moravian was a different story - we did see them since they were so close.  We live in Easton so we are still in proximity very close.  You do have to wonder if the economy stays the same, if leagues would be re-aligned yet again.  Anyway, the Phils start spring training soon, so we can root for them - how about Shane's 22 million dollar contract!?!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 29, 2010, 12:16:24 AM
Ronk

how were you so lucky to be pulled from the crowd for the shot?  What would u have done with a messiah shirt anyway?!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 29, 2010, 12:33:03 AM
Nepa,
Anyone who wants to try lines up in 5 or so queues around the 3 pt-arc and gives it a shot. Estimate 1/3 of the males at the game and some females(total, around 50) participated. I didn't know what the prize was before I shot, but I can use another shirt for bball. Grew up around 15 miles from the campus and like the atmosphere there. Both teams gather together at game's end, holding hands, saying a prayer?(I'll ask one of the Royals some day what they say). Best of all- they don't charge admission!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on January 29, 2010, 09:25:43 AM
Quote from: ronk on January 29, 2010, 12:33:03 AM
Both teams gather together at game's end, holding hands, saying a prayer?(I'll ask one of the Royals some day what they say). Best of all- they don't charge admission!

No admission charge to the game or prayer?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 31, 2010, 12:16:56 AM
That's the first hint it's not a Catholic school!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on February 16, 2010, 12:44:25 PM
Certainly not to overlook the two Scranton games during this week, but that should be quite a game on Saturday in Bethlehem with our two former MAC members, the Lady Royals vs the Lady Greyhounds.  Very interesting.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 19, 2010, 11:56:04 AM
Quote from: kate on February 16, 2010, 12:44:25 PM
Certainly not to overlook the two Scranton games during this week, but that should be quite a game on Saturday in Bethlehem with our two former MAC members, the Lady Royals vs the Lady Greyhounds.  Very interesting.

And Susquehanna will end up playing one or the other in the first round of the Landmark playoffs next week.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 19, 2010, 04:10:50 PM
 If the Lady Royals should defeat the Lady Greyhounds tomorrow, my sense is that none of the playing tiebreakers would work and we would use a coin flip to decide the 1st seed.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 20, 2010, 06:54:42 PM
  At least, the Lady Royals can save their coin-flip strategy for another year; congrats to Moravian for going thru the conference undefeated.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 20, 2010, 07:30:54 PM
I rarely if ever post on the womens side but I couldn't help notice the Moravian women failing to shake hands with Scranton when they came out for the tip.
I thought that was very odd and sort of arrogant on the home teams part. It's not like they have a rich tradition, mystique, aura.
However, it was nice to see Scranton get whacked. 8-)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 20, 2010, 09:16:21 PM
  "Just a flesh wound", said the knight.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 20, 2010, 09:28:43 PM
 Scranton's SID in his postgame notes said the Royals would win a tie by a victory of 10 or more points. In the words of Captain Renault, "I am shocked" that the conference would use point differential to break a tie.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 21, 2010, 11:59:03 AM
The Landmark had more rumors floating around regarding their tie-break system than Tiger Woods had friends with special talents. Seems certain people that should have had a specific understanding were also unsure. Not a good thing.
As for Moravian...second game in a row vs. Scranton that they did exactly what they wanted with little resistance. Thus far, clearly the better team.
However, after years of always being the bridesmaid & rarely the bride...this better be their year with so many seniors. The Lady Royals are certainly down...just wouldn't write them off just yet.
As Ronk stated, let's hope it's just a "flesh wound" & the bleeding is stopped.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 22, 2010, 10:38:18 PM
Since the last Regional rankings are coming out this Wed's. and they will carry some weight regarding who may be in & who may be out should an automatic not be earned...in my quest to help the sometimes uninformed members of the NCAA selection process, I'll offer to them the logical Mid Atlantic top 6.
1.Moravian. 2.LVC. 3.Messiah. 4.Scranton. 5.Gettysburg. 6.Muhlenberg.
These choices are based upon overall records, regional records, strength of schedules, head to head & common sense.
God bless us all!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 22, 2010, 11:25:06 PM
  The committee accepts your rankings in total and adjourns til Sunday deliberations.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 23, 2010, 08:45:43 AM
If it were only that easy! ;)
I can still recall a member of last year's selection committee being asked by DMac on Hoopsville why Moravian ended up as a host site when it appeared Muhlenberg had the edge in virtually all areas the NCAA claims it takes into account. The answer sounded more like a response from Jackie Gleason on the old Honeymooners show when caught by his wife doing something stupid and a member of Congress attempting to explain why he's against something.
Much verbage...little substance.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 05, 2010, 11:54:01 PM
  The Lady Royals' offensive struggles continued tonight shooting 4-28(2-pt field goal attempts)in the 1st half on their way to a 57-41 defeat by Marymount. Marymount defensed the Royals well, limiting their open looks to single digits. Led by a player who doesn't know when to quit,Tara Eddy(she of the multiple knee surgeries) with 22 points, and inspired to play intensely for their coach who does know when to quit(he recently announced his retirement after a distinguished career),  Marymount built an early lead at 13- 7 and largely maintained it for the remainder of the game.
  The Lady Royals didn't have the season-long improvement this year that they had last year despite only losing one player from last year's team. Did get to commend Ryan Mooney afterwards for outstanding effort over her 4-yr career on the court and in the classroom. I put her in the top ten of Royal bballers(men and women) over this decade and she'll be missed.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 07, 2010, 09:13:42 PM
Lady Royals' 1st round opponent in Gettysburg tournament revealed to be St. Mary's(CAC) as Gburg will play Randolph(ODAC, but not Randolph-Macon), setting up a possible 2nd round match between 2 of best players in region(Megan Kopecki and Gburg's Caitlin Moser). 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on September 08, 2010, 11:23:21 AM
Ronk,


Any info on recruits for this year?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 08, 2010, 12:53:19 PM
  They were hoping for 2 from Jersey in April, but I don't know if they made it to campus.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 29, 2010, 05:42:00 PM
  New players on Royals have been added to roster; 2 from Jersey that I alluded to previously, are among them, although their high schools are reversed(in errror); that is, Alison Sweeney is from St. Rose and Brianna Reigstad from Pope John.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 01, 2010, 12:45:56 PM
The Lady Royals have also added the little sister of former Drew great, Courtney Cunningham.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 01, 2010, 01:03:40 PM
  Looks like she can make 3s; hopefully, will be a good PG.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on November 09, 2010, 09:25:35 AM
This morning's edition of the Express-Times has a nice article on the 10-11 Moravian team.  It talks about the changes necessary for the squad after graduating six seniors from last season, and the difficulty replacing 5,233 points.  E-mail sports@express-times.com
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 10, 2010, 11:19:03 PM
Kate,
  Thanks for the article; should be an interesting year for Coach Spirk, similar to Mike Strong after the graduation of the Matt-Mellody, et all, team 3 years ago.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 14, 2010, 10:18:03 PM
 Lady Royals' season opener is Tuesday; hoping that 2 of the newcomers(Katie C. and Alison) can take some of the scoring load from Megan and Jen and that Katie C. is capable of being the primary PG. With graduation of Ryan Mooney, they'll have to find a shutdown defender. While Megan is a good defender, especially at overplaying the passing lanes, one does not want jeopardize her offensive availability by picking up fouls on an opponent's best player.
  As usual, their non-conference schedule is a tester, especially if they play DeSales and Gettysburg in tournament championship games.
  Good luck to all the Lady Royals this season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Brookland on November 15, 2010, 01:04:48 PM
Catholic U has posted its roster and I am surprised to see that its all-conference player, Brianna Peterson, is not on the roster for her senior season. Anyone know what's up? Has she transferred?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 15, 2010, 01:40:32 PM
Susquehanna opens action tomorrow with a home game vs. Franklin and Marshall.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 15, 2010, 03:04:48 PM
Quote from: Brookland on November 15, 2010, 01:04:48 PM
Catholic U has posted its roster and I am surprised to see that its all-conference player, Brianna Peterson, is not on the roster for her senior season. Anyone know what's up? Has she transferred?
That would be a big loss for Catholic and the conference, in general.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on November 21, 2010, 03:37:04 PM
Just returned from the consolation match at DeSale's between the host school and U of S.  Just my humble opinion here, folks, but you MISS the MAC competition!!!  Coach Strong has a deep, talented bench and good starters, but GOD bless em - they seemed genuinely shocked by the pressure brought on by the Bulldogs.  I just remembered the old days when practically ALL the MAC would "get up" for playing the Royals.  Good luck the rest of your season. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on November 21, 2010, 06:28:10 PM
PS, by MAC, i was referring to MAC Freedom.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 22, 2010, 12:55:40 AM
Kate,
  I was at the game also, and I introduced myself to BJSID and I almost asked him if he knew who u were as a fellow MAC chatterer and if u were there since i read u might go to the game, but I didn't and missed the chance to meet u.
  Lady Royals had much trouble with their half-court offense both nights and cut the deficit against DeSales only because of a half-court press resulting in turnovers and layups, bypassing the need for the half-court offense. Many breakdowns between the entry pass and the reception/nonreception of it in the paint. DeSales' defensive pressure had something to do with the failure, to be sure.
  On the positive side, the 2 frosh(Katie C and Alison) look like players and should become increasing factors as they gain experience, although Katie and Sydney missed the DeSales game because of illness; 2 of the lesser-used frosh from last year(KC and Christina) also are playing an increased role this year.   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Hoops4lfe on November 22, 2010, 08:08:15 AM
I was at the game as well. I thought that DeSales defended very well and that #40 did a great job on #25. I agree that the score was alot closer, because of the DeSales turnovers. DeSales did a great job rebounding from a poor game the night before.
Was a bit surprised by the article that was written by the DSU SID about the Ursinus game. I have never seen such a negative article written by an SID about his own team. 
Also attended the LVC/BC game on Saturday. BC not much of a challenge for LVC. It is hard to gauge how good LVC will be, based upon the quality of the teams that they have played so far. You would think that the LVC coach would want to challenge his team a bit more.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on November 22, 2010, 10:47:21 AM
Hoops4lfe...in reponse to my Ursinus game recap.  I am pretty consistent with how I construct my game recaps.  I do my very best to only write facts and occassionally throw in some positive adjectives when I see a chance to compliment a player on her performance.

Being an SID, I firmly believe that a box score tells the story.  And the numbers are the facts.  I think I referenced those numbers many times in the recap and those numbers just happened to be bad ones (believe me I wish they weren't).  There are times when writing stories that you are forced to come off as negative, I assure you I am not purposely doing so, but I can't turn bad stats into good ones.  I have to write the facts.

Believe me...writing stories after games like the Ursinus one are not fun...but people still want to read the story.  I tried to tell the game story for those not in attendance and I think I did that.  You have to give Ursinus credit...they played a wonderful 40-minute defensive game.  They made DeSales look very bad on offense and dominated the glass, which contributed largely to them winning.  With that being said the Bulldogs also played a terrific defensive game...but the Bears' offensive rebounding made the difference in the end on the scoreboard.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Hoops4lfe on November 22, 2010, 12:54:05 PM
BJ DSU SID --
Thanks for replying. I can't disagree with you more about the box score telling the story. First and foremost, the statistics are only as good as the person recording them. Secondly, how can you gauge a players performance on defense by looking at the box score ? Having a good game is not only about the number of points scored in a game or the number of rebounds in the game. If a player has a good rebounding game or scores well, but doesn't play any defense, is that considered a good game ? If a player has a poor shooting night, but defends exceptionally well, did that player have a poor game ? If a player shoots 25% form the field, but gets to the foul line, is that a poor game ? Your story states that a player led the team in scoring, but only shot 5/18. Are you saying that she had a bad game ? Your story also stated that another player had a good game, with 8 points and 10 rebounds. Did she play good defense or keep the other team off the glass ? The box score doesn't tell the story. Not nearly as much as the person writing it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on November 22, 2010, 02:21:37 PM
I should have clarified myself in saying that the box score "HELPS" tell the story.  Certainly I think we can all agree that the box score doesn't tell the entire story, but it does tell a good portion of it.

I travel with my men's and women's basketball teams to almost every game every season...one of the few SIDs that do this.  I have not missed a Conference game for either team in 10 years.

So me being at the game, watching the game, while also reading a box score contribute to my story.  I apologize that you did not enjoy my story this past weekend or felt it was "too negative".  So far you are the only one to complain.

Enjoy the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Hoops4lfe on November 22, 2010, 02:36:42 PM
I wasn't complaining. Just stating my opinion. Looking forward to reading your stories for the remainder of the season. The student athletes deserve all the credit in the world. Without thier commitment in the class room and on the court, we wouldn't have a forum that provides us the opportunity to voice our opinion.

Good luck to DSU the remainder of the season !
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on November 22, 2010, 02:56:53 PM
Well said...the student-athletes are why I am doing what I do.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 05, 2010, 10:16:36 PM
  The Lady Royals showed some improvement in the 1st half against Moravian. Offensively, their screens and cuts were more productive, resulting in better shot selection for everyone. Jen went 5-6 from 3-pt range(1 was disallowed because of a 3-second lane violation). Shows what she can do if she doesn't have to rush her shot. To be sure, Moravian graduated a lot of ability and experience, so what proportion of the Royal improvement was their execution versus the lessened experience of this year's Greyhounds is arguable.
  Things did get a little messy in the 2nd half when in a 5 minute span between both teams there were 2 made baskets, 6 missed shots, and 16 turnovers in 24 possessions.
  Megan had a fine all-around game with double-figure scoring(on only 7 shots), 6 rebounds, 7 assists, 3 blocks, and 5 steals. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 10, 2010, 04:39:06 PM
Hey, for what it's worth -- and talking about a MAC Freedom/Centennial game on the Landmark board means I should keep it brief -- I appreciate a well-written, balanced story from an SID. Too often school game stories completely gloss over anything negative, sometimes even ignoring anything the other team did. This is not the way the job should be done, IMO, and it's not the way I did the job as an SID.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 10, 2010, 11:53:19 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 10, 2010, 04:39:06 PM
Hey, for what it's worth -- and talking about a MAC Freedom/Centennial game on the Landmark board means I should keep it brief -- I appreciate a well-written, balanced story from an SID. Too often school game stories completely gloss over anything negative, sometimes even ignoring anything the other team did. This is not the way the job should be done, IMO, and it's not the way I did the job as an SID.

Pat,
  We're intermarried in this region and thanks to DeSales for scheduling a competitive team from each league plus the NJAC in this tournament.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 03, 2011, 12:48:30 AM
   Lady Royals pressured a young St. Mary's squad(only 1 upper classman) into 32 turnovers for a 68-53 victory setting up a rematch with host Gettysburg in the final; the Royals defeated the Bullets in the 2009 semifinal in OT.
   The Royals were led by frosh Alison Sweeney with 14 points, KC with 6 offensive rebounds and 3 steals and Megan with her usual complete game. Tomorrow's match features 2 of the region's best - Megan and Caitlin Moser of the Bullets who have won comparable awards in their 1st 3 years in their respective conferences.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on January 10, 2011, 01:41:42 AM
i was at Scranton this weekend and i saw them play against Drew and Merchant Marine. He has some great freshmen but he sticks to much to his seniors. His freshmen are way to good to sit on the bench and then to top it of he has two great 2nd year players sitting on the bench when they should start over some seniors but i heard that friends are always first! politics as usual that stinks some teams would die for players like these kids #31 is a hell of a point guard i would have her starting over his #5 and #23what a great player she is.I was their for both games and i think #5 played 24 minutes and had 8 points and #31 was in their for 6 minutes and has 2 steals 3 points dishes the ball very well way better then #5 but he stuck with her but then again the guy won 744 games but my theory is if you have a better player do not let politics get in the way and that is what i heard from some Scranton fans that is just not right.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 10, 2011, 12:30:40 PM
Augie,
   You're right: he's won 744 more games than you or me. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on January 20, 2011, 11:53:11 AM
Well lets see what happens at Catholic and Goucher this weekend???????It is a scary thought when you do not have a post presents or a point guard???????????
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 20, 2011, 02:52:23 PM
  Catholic should be a good test; they're playing better than I thought without Brianna Peterson. As for the Royals' point guard, I have her playing much better than your evaluation; she's not the reason for their struggles.
  Goucher has just won 2 in a row on the road; Moravian/Scranton will be a good test 4 them.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheNextLevel on January 20, 2011, 07:16:43 PM
I noticed  Peterson wasn't on the roster. Why isn't she playing this year?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 20, 2011, 09:10:22 PM
  Nobody I've talked with knows the reason.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 23, 2011, 05:01:38 PM
  Catholic was a good test for the Lady Royals jumping out to a 13-2 lead, but a tighter defense, resulting in 9 steals in the 2nd half allowed Scranton to prevail, Contributions from everybody- Megan with double double despite a nasty collision with player and floor.  She and Sara held out of next game in addition to KC and Courtney already on injured list but Royals jumped out to 17-2 lead on Goucher on strength of 3 3-pointers from Katie C
  Coach Strong implemented a 2-person screen offensively, something the team could use against good teams in the future with shutdown defenders.
  Kudos to Colleen for all the floor burns over the weekend, showing the importance of defensive aggressiveness.
  Messiah next up for the ladies. They won easily last year at their place, but despite only losing 1 top player, they haven't done as well this year to date. Hoping that our walking wounded will recover by then.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 26, 2011, 02:28:59 PM
Just announced: Messiah at Scranton game is postponed...no makeup date.
I'm assuming this is due to snowfall in the Harrisburg area as only a few inches are projected for the Electric City.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 26, 2011, 02:51:39 PM
  Going to be tough to make up; looks like only 2 days before Leb Val game or 2 days before conference playoff semifinal for Messiah.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on January 31, 2011, 02:31:58 PM
Well i was doing some research and came up with this two all Americans on Scranton in their senior year Taryn Melody and Allison Matt averaged 25.9 and 27.6 minutes per game a hell of a lot better players then Collen Mc clane which gets 24.8 a game i just do not understand why and by the way who only averages 5 points and 4 turnovers a game. For this team to excel they have to get a point guard to go far this year they will not get it done with this point guard he has now.One other quote a good coach with the teams he has had would have won 5 a good coach would have won 3 but in spite of him they won one National title!!!!!He still has one timeout left from Springfield!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 31, 2011, 03:08:50 PM
   The stats that I see have Colleen's TOs at 2 pg not 4; no one on the team has a better assist/TO ratio than Colleen's @ 1.5. Combine that with the steals, tie-ups and 79 free throw % and Colleen has to get the majority of the playing time. Katie C has made a major contribution and Christina has improved significantly this year and all 3 will be needed as we enter crunch time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on January 31, 2011, 04:11:57 PM
Ronk sorry about being off by 2 that is not the point.The point is that two all Americans had as much playing time as she has when they should have had more i guess when you are good friends with the parents it does not matter how good you are or in her case how bad you are you still get 25 minutes a game which is on called for.The freshmen are to talented to be sitting and not getting more minutes then her.Like i said he still has a timeout left and since we are talking about timeouts did you ever notice his timeouts turn into turnovers 97% of the time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2011, 03:27:09 PM
First Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/category/ncaa-stuff/regional-rankings/
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on February 05, 2011, 02:32:48 PM
Hi Ronk!  I coming on the Landmark site cause i thought you'd have more of a chance to read the post.  We drove down this morning from icy Easton (after checking the DVC & DeSales websites), only to find that the game was POSTPONED until tomorrow at noon  :-\ - Hopefully Gordon will be able to cover that one.  At least i saw the team practicing - laughs all around, although i'm very happy to be home safe & sound.  Honestly the lengths we go to for these teams we love!  :D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 05, 2011, 02:41:03 PM
Kate,
  They probably held a practice just for your benefit so that the trip wouldn't be in vain.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 06, 2011, 12:00:18 AM
  Nice win for the Lady Royals as the clinch a playoff spot; likely opponent-these same up-and-coming Cardinals.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 06, 2011, 09:17:38 PM
Ronk: I'd agree with that call. I don't see Catholic losing any of their next 3 games so they'll be firmly in 4th. place. Where things can still get dicey is how things are going to play out between Scranton, Juniata & Moravian. After Friday one of those 2 (Mor./Jun.) will have 3 losses which makes the Scranton/Susquehanna & Juniata games very important on Fri. & Sat. The Lady Royals control their own destiny...win & they finish 1st. Stumble along the way & that very well may not happen. Unfortunately, the Lady Royals sometimes appear unprepared for the team they are playing and it takes awhile to figure things out. As we get to this point in the season, the team with the fewest lapses in preparation & judgement and the one that continues to exploit the other teams weaknesses will win.
Right now the Lady Royals are not good enough to sleep walk through the conference as in years past...they better be ready...I have no doubt Susquehanna, Juniata & Moravian will be.
This upcoming weekend should be a great test for the Lady Royals and a chance to recalibrate the regional rankings.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on February 07, 2011, 04:27:32 AM
Saratoga it will never happen mike strong will choke like he always does.And he never gave his former players credit for his success in the paper that sucks it is all about me me me.One other thing i have been following the Royals over thirty years so i have alot of knowledge about the game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on February 12, 2011, 04:26:26 PM
What a disaster today for the lady Royals coach can not coach players can not play so i guess we will settle for ECAC!!!!!I called it until he realizes that #5 is not and i mean is not the answer it will be just an okay team.Two critical points in the game with about 10 seconds left Scranton is leading 61-60 why the hell would you foul and second in overtime with about 4.8 seconds your senior point guard dribbles the ball off of her foot.Like i said he could never and i mean never win a close game looking forward to next year maybe he will recruit a great point guard and some size because this is not getting it done he needs another Taryn and Allison. He needs talent on his team but then again he has it and he does not use it.I am done venting
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 13, 2011, 08:33:58 PM
Looking at the stats from yesterday, it becomes pretty obvious that the Lady Royals are getting far too many unproductive minutes from too many players. Looking at minutes played against points, rebounds, assists & turnovers certainly leads one to believe some freshmen & sophs. are providing far more bang for the buck than their senior counterparts.
In addition, if the Lady Royals are going to make any noise down the stretch, they certainly need the reining Landmark POY to find more than 9 shots in 40 minutes. If they don't know how to create room for her to drive or set screens for her to come off by now then it will be too little too late just like last seasons first round NCAA game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 13, 2011, 11:11:59 PM
Quote from: augie on February 12, 2011, 04:26:26 PM
What a disaster today for the lady Royals coach can not coach players can not play so i guess we will settle for ECAC!!!!!I called it until he realizes that #5 is not and i mean is not the answer it will be just an okay team.Two critical points in the game with about 10 seconds left Scranton is leading 61-60 why the hell would you foul and second in overtime with about 4.8 seconds your senior point guard dribbles the ball off of her foot.Like i said he could never and i mean never win a close game looking forward to next year maybe he will recruit a great point guard and some size because this is not getting it done he needs another Taryn and Allison. He needs talent on his team but then again he has it and he does not use it.I am done venting

  I'll agree that #5 didn't play well yesterday, but it didn't involve either of your critical points. I'll assume that you weren't watching the game, but listened to the audio, instead. Point#1 was not a foul. A good official does not make that call in that situation. He lets the players decide the game, rather than the official. Could he have seen something that I didn't see? Yes, but I give that a possibility of 10%. It should have been a no-call.
  Point #2 didn't have her dribbling the ball off her foot. The ball handler was driving toward the basket. #5 was clearing the area ahead of the dribbler, running away from her and the basket. The dribbler instead of shooting now with 5 seconds left, passed the ball to #5, hitting her in the foot with a bad pass that shouldn't have made under those circumstances. That's the way I saw it over the videostream.
  The Lady Royals haven't been involved in a game like that with all the lead changes, end-of -regulation, and overtime drama since the NCAA sectionals up in Rochester 2 years ago. It was a new experience for all of them with the exception of Megan, and hopefully, they'll be better in the future for the experience.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2011, 03:36:02 PM
Week 3 Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/16/ncaa-2011-regional-rankings-week-3/
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on February 19, 2011, 09:23:05 PM
Wow is that true Juniata shot 30-40 free throws to Susquehanna's 2-4 that can not be true.If it is true someone has to look into the officiating!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 20, 2011, 12:32:38 AM
 I saw bits and snatches of the game but had to go out when it was tied at 43; didn't notice anything unusual up to that point.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 21, 2011, 03:21:14 PM
Augie, right you are. Juniata shot 40 free throws compared to 4 by Susquehanna. The NCAA truly needs to review that nonsense. I don't mind if Juniata is going to win...but, that disparity is criminal & those three refs whose names are listed on the Crusader website need to be banished back to 8th. grade CYO basketball.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on February 22, 2011, 03:17:27 PM
Ronk maybe you could answer this question How come Scranton guys and girls do not have a Junior Varsity program anymore?I think it would help the players that do not see much playing time get experience and learn they will not learn if they are on the bench.I think the last Junior Varsity team was when Bessior was there and i remember Mark Halligan was the Junior Varsity coach.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 22, 2011, 03:42:09 PM
Augie,
  I don't know; I would guess expense. One could have an 8-team league and not have to travel more than 45 minutes. Scranton, Marywood, Keystone, Baptist Bible, Kings, Wilkes, Miseri, E. Stroudsburg.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 22, 2011, 03:52:45 PM
How often do JV players make the Varsity squad? Not saying it doesn't happen but not sure it is justified. The men did have a JV squad early in Danzig's career.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2011, 04:29:14 PM
Final Regional Rankings before Selection Sunday: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/category/ncaa-stuff/regional-rankings/
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on February 26, 2011, 03:56:03 PM
Lets see where to begin last year Moravian beats Scranton 3 times he never made adjustments this year Juniata beats us 3 times and still no adjustments.Watched the game today very disappointed in the coaching staff i guess the only time they want to coach is when they are winning.I feel sorry for Megan she comes to the court and gives it her all and he can not find the right players to surround her with thats number 1.Number two still does not have a regular starting line up or substitution pattern by now you think that would all be figured out.Number three i hope Scranton will make the ncaa but i doubt it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 26, 2011, 04:51:24 PM
Yes, disappointing that it wasn't a competitive game like the one only 2 weeks ago. Still have a chance for NCAA since there r 3 more Pool C berths available than on the men's side.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on February 28, 2011, 04:18:41 PM
First off i want to thank Megan and the seniors.Now it is time for me to rant. First off if you want to make the tournament you have to take care of business coaches etc.When you play a team three times like last year and make no adjustments do not expect to get to the tournament you can play the toughest schedule what good is it if you make no adjustments.When you say in a interview that i am playing man to man and i do not fall for gimmicks that means you do not want to coach. Instead of switching up the defense!Second and final maybe he can get out and recruit early like a point guard maybe a a true center and a power forward you are not going to win a championship just recruiting guards it will never happen.Good luck to the seniors in the future and thanks again!!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 28, 2011, 05:00:44 PM
Augie: I agree, all the very best to the seniors who deserved a heck of alot more than this uncharacteristic fall from grace. This is the same team that went to the NCAA's last year...one would have thought a year older & a year wiser would have helped everyone...especially the coaching staff.
The days of putting the best 5 on the floor & having the other team roll over are long gone. There are way too many bright, young & energetic coaches out there that will eat you alive when you fail to make adjustments to neutralize  their strenghs or find ways to continue to exploit your assets.
The Lady Royals certainly had enough natural talent to be in the dance, and it still comes down to the coaches being able to develop the roadmap to get them there.
Not having a set starting 5 or your substitution patterns established after 23 games is not a plan for post-season success, it's more like this current... recipe for disaster.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on March 01, 2011, 08:19:20 AM
Not sure if any Moravian posters are on this site, but if they are, BEST luck to the Moravian Lady Hounds as they take on Waynesburg University on Wednesday night at 7 pm in an ECAC South game!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 01, 2011, 02:44:08 PM
Kate,
There's never been a Greyhound sighting.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Hoopla on March 01, 2011, 07:03:43 PM
First and foremost let me say that I have no affiliation with Scranton or their coaching staff.  However, I cannot believe that you would blame the coaching staff after a 19-win season.  Mike Strong has proven time and time again that he is an outstanding coach.  Just because you do not make the NCAA Tournament does not mean that the season was not a success.  I know many coaches who would love to have won 19 games this season.  As a former women's basketball coach I can tell you that sometimes things just don't click.  Sometimes the chemistry isn't great.  Sometimes you just don't have that one extra player to get you over the top.  And sometimes players just don't make plays when they need to.  I saw the Lady Royals play this season and they just seemed to lack something.  That happens in sports.  Understand, not making the NCAA Tournament is unusual for Scranton's women, but for many programs making the NCAA field is unusual.  Remember, Duke had an aweful year not too long ago.  Based on your comments North Carolina should have gotten rid of Roy Williams and Duke should have definitely let Coach K go.  Both had down years with those programs.  Just realize that 19 wins is a very good season.  Maybe not NCAA worthy, but still very good.  I am sure that the Scranton coaching staff will work hard to try and make the team better next season. 
Title: basketball
Post by: augie on March 02, 2011, 11:56:00 AM
Hoopla:I understand your thoughts on Coach Strong(Did he win a lot of games yes!)Did he go to the NCAA numerous times yes!Did he go to 9 final fours and win a national title yes!)but he did not do it only he had some great players.My gripe is: lets take last year against Moravian at home lose by 10 @Moravian by 17 and the Championship game by 17.Now lets fast forward to this year against Juniata at home up 11 lose by 14 @Juniata lose by 1 in OT and the Championship game lose by 18.In my mind and what i saw it was the same thing no adjustments and to win you have to make adjustments to the game to give your team a chance to win.My final thought is this he has some great players on that bench like Saratoga said when a freshmen lights it up for 31,25,18,14 etc in 20 minutes a game i think you should use her a lot more.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Hoopla on March 03, 2011, 10:06:56 AM
Augie, I think that you missed my point.  The fact of the matter is that none of us have any idea why things played out the way they did.  Was it a chemistry issue?  Were there discipline issues?  Were the players limited in the things that they could do?  Without being at practice every day and being inside the coaches office there is no real way to tell why things played out the way they did.  Sometimes teams just don't match up well against a particular opponent.  It happens on every level and coaches feel helpless in those situations.  No matter what they try against that particular team, nothing seems to work.  All I am saying is that to blame the coaching staff is a bit unfair since we don't know all of the particulars. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on March 03, 2011, 10:50:56 PM
Hoopla:When the coach comes on the radio pre taped before the Championship game and says these words and quote me on this please we will play man to man because at this time in the season i do not fall for gimmicks does that sound like a coach that is throwing in the towel! Sailing into the sunset
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Hoopla on March 04, 2011, 12:12:22 AM
Don't read too much into what is said in a pre-game interview.  During the two games that Scranton and Juniata played during the regular season the Lady Royals were out-rebounded in both games.  I have a feeling that Coach Strong did not like the way his team played zone defense.  I also think that he was probably fearful that if they did play zone, or a gimmick such as a box-and-one or triangle-and-two, that they would get pounded on the glass.  As I said before there are a lot of variables that go into putting together a game plan. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Brookland on March 04, 2011, 11:20:44 AM
I don't have a dog in this fight, but this sounds like someone is implying that man-to-man is "real" defense and anything else, like the various types of zone defenses, box-and-one, triangle-and-two, etc. are all "gimmicks." I'm wondering how many serious basketball people would agree with that, vs. how many would say those are all ways to maximize the effectiveness of your team defense based on player capabilities and opponents' schemes. I tend towards the latter point of view. I remember an article years ago from the coach at GW university in DC saying that he didn't believe in "hands up and hope they miss" defense (I love that characterization of a simple zone!), which he went on to say meant he liked to mix different types of zones, man-to-man, different help schemes, etc., NOT that anything but man was a gimmick.
Again, I'm not picking any fights here, just asking a basketball question. Any other points of view?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 04, 2011, 04:12:29 PM
Brookland,
  I'm with u- anything that has the best chance of succeeding whether it's box and one, triangle and 2, switching man to man. u want to stop them from what they do best and make them do something they're not as comfortable with. Don't let the stars beat u- make it b someone who's not used to doing it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Hoopla on March 04, 2011, 08:37:24 PM
Brookland,

You absolutely made my point!  You play whatever you can to maximize your team's abilities.  Having been a coach, I know that I have had teams that just were not good zone defensive teams.  There could be many reasons why that is the case, such as bad foot speed, lack of height, etc.  Coaches have to make that evaluation in practice. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on June 23, 2011, 03:37:21 PM
Hello Ronk!  I see that it's official, The Delaware Valley College Lady Aggies play the Lady Royals of Scranton University at the tip-off Tourney of Gwynedd-Mercy College on Friday evening starting at 6 pm.   Friday night traffic down there in Montgomery County is wild, so we (oldies that we are) can only make the Saturday games.  Still looking forward to seeing U of S play.    It's been quite awhile since our two teams have met, so it should be interesting.  Maybe we'll catch up with you on that Sat.  Really looking forward to the start of this season!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 23, 2011, 11:49:52 PM
 Hi, Kate!
  There's a good chance I'll be there since I have a sister in Feasterville with whom I could stay overnite.
I couldn't find new scheds 4 scranton, dv, or g-m; so what makes it official and who's the 4th team?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on June 24, 2011, 08:58:34 AM
Good morning, Ronk,  the info came from Scranton's lead sport's page, the 11/12 b'ball schedule wasn't up as of yesterday afternoon.  Del Val simply has "opponent to be determined".  Awhile ago, i thought i'd heard that it could be Lyco.  GMC and Lyco do not have anything posted.   It is kind of sad that today's squads have no recollection of that intense rivalry that we once had.  At any rate, it's always fun to be a part of anyone's opening tourney.  We certainly hope to be there on Sat.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 21, 2011, 11:47:05 PM
  Lady Royals' roster now up on web site.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 28, 2011, 12:08:12 AM
  Conference preseason poll picks Juniata, Catholic, Scranton, Moravian. May be motivational for the Royals. I'm optimistic with the newcomers; hopefully, there's a shutdown defender among them to shore up that part of their game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on November 22, 2011, 11:03:23 PM
All i can say is wow.What a way to start the season 1-3 i just can not find words to describe this pathetic season.Just like last year he has players average 35 minutes a game and gives you nothing but minutes.No set offense no defense they are all over the court they have no and i mean No clue out there everything is up top nothing inside in case you forgot you have a 6-1 in the middle stop passing the ball around the dam perimeter and feed the big girl it does works and try pressing sometimes that also works.One other thing make a timeout work in your favor and not the other teams.Like i stated last year if he has no talent he can not win i just wish for those Mellody,Matt years again.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 23, 2011, 01:46:17 AM
  Hang in there, Augie. Too much experience(60% of last year's playing time) no longer present from the graduated starters and injured/ill reserves. May take thru intersession to integrate the newcomers with the holdovers to get to the level of Lady Royal bball to which we're accustomed. They need time to learn the offense and each other so that they're playing and reacting rather than thinking about where to go or what to do. All this in addition to improving defensive play and reducing the individual turnovers that have nothing to do with learning a new offense.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on November 23, 2011, 08:28:39 AM
Thanks ronk but when you go to the games and they have a chance to win the game and the same thing happens over and over again you do get a little disturbed.He is not utilizing the inside presents it is all dribble dribble pass up top until sweeney gets open.you have to get the ball down low to open the perimeter and set some picks to open up some girls i did not see any picks yet everything has been dribble dribble dribble around the perimeter instead of crisp passing.Just like last year he had #5 in the game averaging about 28 minutes a game and gave you nothing this year is the same he has someone averaging 32 minutes and gives you the same you get no points out of that spot so you are basically playing 5 on 4.Hopefully change is coming and i mean change in a big way he might get his fourth win by next year if he does not make changes to this line up.UofS fans are not use to this last year was pathetic this year so far it is a disgrace.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 24, 2011, 11:33:38 PM
Augie,
  Your concerns have piqued curiosity at the nation's highest level; he'll be coming to town Wednesday for the Marywood-Scranton game to see for himself; expect some camouflage story for being in the area, but the Lady Royals' unusual start is the real reason.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on November 25, 2011, 05:41:36 PM
Gee whiz, Ronk, are you talking about Joe Biden, Pat Coleman, or Lou DeNaples?  Sorry couldn't resist it  :).  Hope you had a great Thanksgiving, and again, it was so nice to meet you!  Incidentally, Marywood is a team that is getting better & better over the past three years or so.  Marielle Thorsen is from my old high school in Belvidere, NJ where she was the heart & soul of that high school team as she is now for the Pacers.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 26, 2011, 01:46:35 AM
 Higher, Kate, higher - the #1 college bball fan in the country - the one whose brother-in-law coaches Oregon State men's bball. I'm talking serious fact-finding here. ;). He may even stop in Doylestown on the way back to DC to see why Del Val is still undefeated; maybe he'll pick up some tips.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on December 22, 2011, 12:04:45 AM
Great week in Puerto Rico but i have some great pictures to take home.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 22, 2011, 12:43:38 AM
Augie,
   Happy to hear you had a good time-I'm still planning on attending the Gettysburg tourney.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 22, 2011, 02:32:40 PM
Augie: Hope you guys all had a great time. Safe travels back & can't wait to see your pictures of Old San Juanita!
Is there a group photo of all of you doing your best Captain Morgan pose??? Talk to you when you get back.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 04, 2012, 01:03:36 AM
  Lady Royals show some improvement from the tipoff tourney @ Gwynnedd-Mercy in losing a close one to Gburg and building an 18-pt halftime lead and holding off Neumann. They're getting a better grasp of what they're supposed to be doing in a specific offense/defense; still a ways to go in the quality of execution. However, neither opponent is getting any top 25 votes.
  Individually, the defensive intensity of Shernai continues; Tina, named to the all-tourney team, is a major disruptor on defense with steals and deflections; Sydney had a number of good slashes to the lane and hit 2-2 on open 3-pt shots today; Lindsay picked up a lot of rebounds; Taylor had a number of good moves in the paint; Alison is encountering a lot of defensive attention with few open shots.
  Conference play resumes this weekend with home games against Goucher/CUA. I'll project that the Royals will contest with CUA for 2nd in the conference, and the Royals will get a scheduling break in that battle since they'll play CUA on the 2nd day @home(considered tougher for the traveling road team) and on the 1st day when they travel to CUA later in the month.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on February 04, 2012, 12:47:40 PM
I can not believe that this coaching staff can sit there year after year and get beat by the same team over and over again and make NO ADJUSTMENTS.Not taking anything away from Juniata but when the team beats you by 23 away and 21 at home where are the adjustments to the game.Two division one transfers and he still can not get the ball into the low post.20.9% from the field where were they throwing the ball from        THE OCEAN!I just can not believe this coaching staff 12-9 maybe they have an early vacation plan.I have a better idea RECRUIT RECRUIT RECRUIT.They have some great players but they are lacking one thing a true point guard to accomplish the big girls.What i would do to have another Matt on this team.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 11, 2012, 12:11:50 AM
   Catholic led most of game tonight but Juniata caught up in last couple of minutes and won, creating tie for 2nd between Catholic and Scranton. If both win out, then strength of schedule will be the tie-breaker, not a coin flip, according to SID in Scranton's recap tonight.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on February 22, 2012, 10:02:13 PM
Three years in a row for the Lady Royals not winning the Landmark.Thanks in big part to this coaching staff.Younger coaches are out recruiting him and out coaching him every game.Maybe him and his posse can go into the sunset!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!16-10 with two division 1 transfers and this is what you get.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 22, 2012, 10:39:33 PM
Quote from: augie on February 22, 2012, 10:02:13 PM
Three years in a row for the Lady Royals not winning the Landmark.Thanks in big part to this coaching staff.Younger coaches are out recruiting him and out coaching him every game.Maybe him and his posse can go into the sunset!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!16-10 with two division 1 transfers and this is what you get.

And three years-in-a-row of you ripping one of the winningest coaches in the history of the D-III women's game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on February 23, 2012, 11:45:45 AM
Lefty2 it is called freedom of speech.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 23, 2012, 01:19:15 PM
I understand Scranton showed mucho class yesterday. It was learned that the Catholic gals requested a shoot-around at Scranton's gym early in the day but Scranton said NO!
CUA eventually called King's who said "come on down," so they had their shoot-around in Wilkes-Barre.
Stay classy, Scranton!
I am repeating this on the men's side so everyone can hear about it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 23, 2012, 05:39:55 PM
lefthander: Strong IS the winningest coach in DIII.
In recent years...not so much.
Beyond that, all is not well in Lady Royal land these days.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on February 23, 2012, 06:04:36 PM
I may be wrong here, however, could the slide of Royals women's hoops coincide with the absence of Denna Klingman from the coaching staff ????
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 23, 2012, 07:22:48 PM
I heard he is committed to this year's freshman class so he isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

Whatever happened to Roy A?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on February 23, 2012, 08:52:07 PM
Nepafan please tell me, that is not true and if so his recruiting class consist of one recruit.Maybe they will hit the trail early this year they have all the time in the world to see many High school games now that the season is finished!!!Sp0rtsfan that can be very true she is a great teacher of the game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on February 24, 2012, 10:10:02 AM
Augie,
In addition to Deanna's teaching capability, I felt she was an effective recruiter and also related well to the girls who were on the team as a mentor...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 24, 2012, 11:16:10 AM
NEPA: Strong retired 2 years ago from the University. Therefore, he is no longer covered by tenure.
Right now he is an employee at will & can be let go for any number of reasons.
The fact that he wants to coach four more years is one thing. Whether or not that will be his call is quite another. Please refer to previous headlines under "Coach Bessoir".
To echo Augie's point...if it were not for 2 DI transfers landing in his lap this year...what would the Lady Royals record have honestly looked like?
As far as recruiting, all I can say is thank God he has an aggressive young coach with him to bring the talent in.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 24, 2012, 06:42:25 PM
You guys are unreal. Were you calling for the firing of Bessior in the late 90s?


Strong isn't going anywhere, you can't go to the Final Four every year.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2012, 04:29:59 PM
Congrats to the CUA ladies on their conference championship... Juniata is now a pretty sure Pool C lock... popping someone's bubble.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 25, 2012, 08:56:41 PM
  Yes, congrats also, especially winning on the road @ Scranton and Juniata with an underclassmen team. As Coach Donahue said, they did the things that win big games. Nice to have 2 Landmark schools in the NCAA tourney, even if neither is Scranton.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on February 26, 2012, 10:44:28 AM
Brookland: my heartlfelt congratulations. CUA women finally get a championship, beating Juniata in the one that counts most. Congrats.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BigMac on February 26, 2012, 11:01:55 AM
Odds are that the D-1 transfer from American will be somewhere else next year. Always looking for the better place  3 high schools, and a different AAU team every year now American U and Scranton in the same year she is doing what she has always done. My guess she was not playing at American so she left. Playing at Scranton but not a D-1 school. Maybe she is happy but we will see
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Brookland on March 01, 2012, 06:12:04 PM
QuoteBrookland: my heartlfelt congratulations. CUA women finally get a championship, beating Juniata in the one that counts most. Congrats.
Thanks, I am very happy for them as well. It was a thrill when the CUA men won it all a few years back, but they got almost no notice in the DC area press, with its emphasis on the local D1 schools. I hope the women do well and get some notice somewhere besides our insular world of D3.
Go Cardinals!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on March 01, 2012, 09:22:28 PM
          NCAA tournament 2012: Catholic women's basketball reaches new heights

   CUA Womens basketball will have an outstanding article in the Washington Post on Friday March 2 and it is my understanding they will be featured on ABC7/WJLA-TV  with Tim Brant friday evening..finally getting some very much deserved recognition for their efforts on the court ...congrats to the entire team and coaching staff on an outstanding season ..with more wins to come in the tournament ...GOOD LUCK CUA ..it's a great year to be a Cardinal !!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on May 14, 2012, 03:29:38 PM
Hello Ronk & all Scranton posters!  Is your lovely graduating Senior, Sidney Jaques, related to the new head coach at Siena College, Ali Jaques?  I noticed that both players graduated from NJ's Hunterdon Central HS.  Didn't read the Express article, but it's online at lehighvalleylive.com/sports.  Apparently, she's been as assistant coach now for some time, and this is her first shot with her own program.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 14, 2012, 03:42:23 PM
Kate: Good catch.
Ali is Sidney's older sister.
She's been an assistant at Northwestern the last several years.
While I'm at it...all the best to Sidney, she's a pretty remarkable young lady.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on May 23, 2012, 10:19:43 AM
The U of S. hosted a successful 1st class award / fund raising event last evening. Bill Raftery was honored and addressed the audince - made everyone laugh showing a great sense of humor.

On a side note,  although not yet officially announced,  you will soon hear that Deanna Klingman is returning to the Lady Royals as Coach Strong's assistant...My opinion has always been that they missed her presence these last few years and lost much of their luster without her.....I expect the Lady Royals to rejoin the ranks of the elite D3 women's programs in the next coming seasons..
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 27, 2012, 08:34:01 PM
  Congrats to superb Lady Royals bballer of the recent past Taryn Mellody who was listed as receiving a Doctorate in Physical Therapy at yesterday's U of S Graduate School graduation.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on May 29, 2012, 02:25:24 PM
Yes, Ronk, we remember Taryn very well!  Certainly big congratulations to her (we have been wondering where she might have gone or done, & now we know her time has been very productively spent!)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on June 15, 2012, 05:47:29 PM
Sure wish The Royals would get a non-conference game against FDU....I think both teams would benefit since their style of play is so different.....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 15, 2012, 09:15:54 PM
  sp0rtsfan,
   It could happen since they're relatively close and the Lady Royals usually have some Northern NJ players on their roster, meaning one of their 2 top recruiting areas.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on July 05, 2012, 04:24:51 PM
Hello Ronk!  By now i'm sure you've noticed that Scranton's schedule is up, and the only thing wrong with it, is that it doesn't include Del Val!   Hope that your summer's going well!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on July 06, 2012, 12:54:12 AM
Kate,
  I did notice the Scranton schedule. Thought I saw someone from the Del Val women's coaching staff at the Blue Chip AAU tourney today, but didn't have a chance to talk with her.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on July 06, 2012, 09:48:14 AM
Good morning, Ronk!  It's good to hear that the Del Val Women's Basketball staff is out and about this summer scouting talent!  This seems like a long summer with the Phillies doing so poorly, and this heat.  Really, really looking forward to Nov. and the start of the season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on August 09, 2012, 02:00:21 PM
It's official....Deaanna Klingman has returned to the ranks of the Royals coaching staff.......The team was 161 - 21 for the previous years she was there helping out...

http://athletics.scranton.edu/sports/wbkb/2012-13/releases/wb_aug._8
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 18, 2012, 11:26:37 PM
  Lady Royals' roster is out; 2 missing: Emma Hart and Katie Cunningham(not back from injury(yet?)). 4 frosh-I've seen 3 of their AAU teams in action, but don't remember the play of those 3, in particular. One, Jaclyn Gantz, did have a hilite show on the internet and looks to be a good shooter, BUT it was a hilite show.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on October 19, 2012, 01:31:32 PM
Ronk:
Right you are...hi-lite packaging is just that.
As for our esteemed coach... it would apperar another average class brought in.
No real size, no much needed point & although I'm sure all are good players, certainly no freshmen impact kids.
Thank God two transfer starters fell from heaven last year...can't even begin to think how thin this once proud program would be without them.
I don't think he's had a freshman recruit that could step in & get things done in 5 years...who since Megan K.???   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 19, 2012, 03:38:37 PM
Toga,
   There was the thought that Katie C was going to be one of those frosh impact players; didn't work out that way.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on November 21, 2012, 08:51:34 AM
Well, Landmark posters, along with leaving the league, i truly hope you haven't made a collective decision to leave the D3 website!   Yes, you can brag a little bit about beating King's (Scranton) and beating DeSales (Moravian).  It is however, a long season, so we'll see what transpires over the next three months.  Happy Thanksgiving!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 21, 2012, 09:26:52 AM
Kate,
  Happy Thanksgiving to you, also! We haven't left the msg board, merely cautiously optimistic about the coming conference season. Both the Landmark and the Freedom ought to be competitive for the 4 conference tournament positions and home court advantage. Kings could have easily won the Royals game after playing well against Muhlenberg on Saturday.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 26, 2012, 07:52:04 PM
  I'm watching the videocast of Scranton-Marywood and they(NMTV) do a good thing by superimposing the score, game clock, 30-sec clock, and team fouls while the game is in progress; no more having to wait for a timeout to get the info. Hope everybody employs the capability.
  Lady Royals getting outhustled on defensive board 14-11 at the half; it's a season-long if not multiple-year problem.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 28, 2012, 12:24:14 AM
Ronk:
Right you are...out-hustled, confused on both offense & defense & substitution patterns that are down right scary.
Absolutely no maturity from the beginning of the season through tonights game.
Again, I can't even imagine how bad the team would be if two very-very good players didn't fall in his lap.
The recruiting efforts over the past 5 years by the newer coaches in DIII have made a definite impact.
Getting a call or the occasional visit at a game just doesn't cut it anymore.









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Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on December 06, 2012, 12:30:55 PM
http://www.gowilkesu.com/news/2012/12/5/WBB_1205125026.aspx

Wilkes 75, Scranton 67?

BAH HA HA HA HA!!!! YEEEAAHHH!!! WOOOOOOOO!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on December 06, 2012, 02:30:28 PM
Coming on here this afternoon just to give CJ a plus K  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 06, 2012, 10:11:56 PM
Holy Cow:
A CJ sighting....and to think...... a post after a Wilkes win. Go figure.
Now where were your insights after the Scranton men easily handled the KFCers last year?
At any rate, I truly do applaud the Wilkes women on their win.
It may have been 35 years & 60 losses in between victories but, a win is a win.
They absolutely outplayed & out-hustled the Lady Royals...nice to see their teamwork pay off.
As for FDU...another great story developing before our eyes. Good for them as well.
A few more wins, especially on the road & they will start believing....if they aren't already.
Young, smart, aggressive coaches are making the most out of their opportunity.
The days of the part-time coach just rolling the balls out & letting superior talent do it all are coming to an end.
Colleges are finally realizing there are some really talented coaches willing to begin their journey at the DIII level...the young women that play for those coaches will be all the better.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 18, 2012, 07:09:45 PM
  Dean Corwin mentioned during the videocast yesterday the roster addition of a sophomore transfer from D2 West Chester - Stephanie Keyes 5-9 SG from Archbishop Wood(PA).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 30, 2012, 08:14:38 PM
Time for a certain coach to be sent to mandatory clinics on time management & when & how to use time outs.
Scranton had a clear advantage in this game yet, midway in the second half Cal Lutheran goes on a 15-0 run before our legend figures it's time to stop the bleeding.
They end up on a 23-4 run & win by a bucket...I honestly believe this guy must think he can cash in all his saved time outs through the years  for a cash refund.
I bet that time out he saved with 24 seconds left in Springfield during the Final Four a few years back will be worth quite a bit.
On another note...it will be interesting to see the final stats.
It certainly appeared CLU was on the line far more than the Lady Royals. It becomes even more curious when the Lady Royals were in a zone for most of the game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 30, 2012, 11:41:16 PM
   Lady Royals allowed 1 CLU player to get 7 offensive rebounds-season-long problem with inability/lack of concern in this regard. Also, inability to feed the post players in the paint;  Meredith has to work harder and smarter to get open, but no one has shown an ability to effectively get the ball to her, anyhow. Only saw one screen attempt in the lane away from the ball between the post players; it should happen on every possession.
  Defensively, the Lady Royals benefitted from numerous CLU misses from 3 feet; could have been worse. Emmanuel tomorrow is just as big as the Lady Royals on the frontline and have a top-notch scorer, to boot. Hoping the players refocus tomorrow.
   On a positive note, it's a pleasure to see the continual improvement in Lindsay as a PG. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 31, 2012, 05:58:22 PM
  A quality turnaround for the Lady Royals in coming back from 31-17 deficit to beat a good Emmanuel team. Defensive effort was outstanding in the 2nd half, holding them to 13 points and their leading scorer to only 3. Shernai had a career defensive effort, limiting their high scorer and coming up with rebounds, steals, deflections, and a nice lefty hook basket. Players fought through a lot of aggressive defensive non-calls while dribbling; should prepare them for the conference battles with Catholic, Moravian, and Juniata.
  As usual, plenty(17 1st half turnovers;inbound plays under offensive basket) to work on before Juniata, but some optimistic developments to make the trip home much brighter.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on January 01, 2013, 11:07:43 AM
Looking to remain unbeaten this season, No. 21 CUA shook off a tough shooting performance to down William Paterson 60-52 in the championship of the CUA Courtyard US Capital Holiday Tournament on Monday afternoon.  The Cardinals improve to 11-0 with the victory, after receiving 15 points and seven rebounds from tournament MVP Kelli Josephsen and 8 points, 13 rebounds, 7 assists and 2 steals from Emily Grabiak.

Both teams struggled to find their shooting after playing their second game in as many days.  CUA connected on only 28% from the floor, while the Pioneers hit on just 26%.  The game was tight throughout, with seven lead changes and two ties.

A jumper by William Paterson's Dana Jeter 4:23 into the game put the visitors on top 12-7, but CUA scored 9 of the next 11 points, capped by Karlyn Dixon's 3-pointer, to grab its first lead of the day, 16-14.

Floriana Borova's jumper with 4:50 remaining in the half gave William Paterson a one-point advantage, but Josephsen answered down the other end to give the lead back to the Cardinals.

A 3-pointer by Josephsen in the final 10 seconds then sent CUA into halftime with its largest lead up to that point, 26-20.

A layup by Josephine Migash early in the second gave CUA a double-digit lead, but the Pioneers were able to cut it to a six-point game with 15:30 remaining.

Two free throws by Jenny McGann again pushed the lead up to 10, before William Paterson responded by scoring 14 of the next 15 points to surge in front 41-38 with 8:30 on the clock.

Two minutes later, Josephsen tied things at 44 with 6:26 remaining, and Grabiak's basket two minutes after that put the Cards on top 46-44.

After a Migash layup pushed the lead up to four, Borova splashed a three down the other end to pull the Pioneers within one with 2:41 left to play.

From that point forward, CUA got the job done at the free throw line, sinking 12 of 12 attempts in the final 2:30 to seal the win and move to 11-0.

Josephsen sank 5 of 11 shots from the floor and all four of her free throw attempts to finish with 15 points.  That came on the heels of a 14-point, 14-rebound performance in Sunday's semifinal win over Pitt-Greensburg.

Woerner joined Josephsen in double figures with 14 points, while Migash finished with 11.

Jeter led the visitors with 16 points and 11 boards, while Borova scored 15, but she connected on only 6 of 24 shots.

In Monday's consolation game, Oswego defeated Pitt-Greensburg by a score of 63-51 in overtime.

CUA is now off until Saturday, January 5 when the Cardinals welcome Merchant Marine Academy to the DuFour Center for a Landmark Conference contest.  Start time is set for 4 p.m.

2012 CUA Courtyard US Capital Holiday Tournament All-Tournament Team
Kelli Josephsen, CUA (MVP)
Josephine Migash, CUA
Dana Jeter, William Paterson
Ashley Marfo, William Paterson
Morgan Biddle, Pitt-Greensburg
Kari Kipper, Oswego
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 01, 2013, 11:34:49 AM
Cuabigdog,
  I noticed Katerina Owunna missing from the holiday games; do you know why? Looks like Josie Migash filled in capably, making the all-tourney team. Looking forward to the clash with Scranton in 2 1/2 weeks.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 01, 2013, 11:50:50 AM
Quote from: ronk on December 31, 2012, 05:58:22 PM
  A quality turnaround for the Lady Royals in coming back from 31-17 deficit to beat a good Emmanuel team. Defensive effort was outstanding in the 2nd half, holding them to 13 points and their leading scorer to only 3. Shernai had a career defensive effort, limiting their high scorer and coming up with rebounds, steals, deflections, and a nice lefty hook basket. Players fought through a lot of aggressive defensive non-calls while dribbling; should prepare them for the conference battles with Catholic, Moravian, and Juniata.
  As usual, plenty(17 1st half turnovers;inbound plays under offensive basket) to work on before Juniata, but some optimistic developments to make the trip home much brighter.

  I should mention Tayler's return to action with a fine effort, finishing a couple of transition baskets from passes from Lindsay(?), amid double-digit scoring.
  Also, the new foul-shooting coach should be pleased with the team's performance this season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 01, 2013, 12:30:33 PM
Ronk:
Any insight as to why Meredeth only played 15 minutes?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on January 01, 2013, 06:41:31 PM
Ronk

yes , kat is with her family fullfilling family obligations pertaining to her religion..this has been the same thing every year and even tho she is missed greatly , Josie did an outstanding job filling in for her..the lady cards have a deep bench this year and are looking to repeat as Conf . Champions..Kat shold be back sunday..in my opinion, the cards have the capability of going 5-6 players deep on the bench...this should be an exciting year for women's basketball at CUA...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 01, 2013, 06:49:16 PM
Quote from: cuabigdog on January 01, 2013, 06:41:31 PM
Ronk

yes , kat is with her family fullfilling family obligations pertaining to her religion..this has been the same thing every year and even tho she is missed greatly , Josie did an outstanding job filling in for her..the lady cards have a deep bench this year and are looking to repeat as Conf . Champions..Kat shold be back sunday..in my opinion, the cards have the capability of going 5-6 players deep on the bench...this should be an exciting year for women's basketball at CUA...

  I think it's plausible that the top 4 go 3-3 with each other and the others, especially Coach Cotton(Goucher), would like to mess things up with an upset of the top 4.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 06, 2013, 12:44:17 PM
Just read an interesting story of how Coach Bessoir became "Coach" of the mens team.
Seems the Scranton AD at the time, a no-nonsense, highly motivational former assistant at the U of Rochester felt the mens program had stagnated & under-achieved long enough.
Midway through the the 1969 season he said enough is enough & promptly fired the long time Royals coach, Nat Volpe.
He took over the team for the remainder of the year & much improvement took place.
Upon the conclusion of that year, Bob Bessoir went from freshman coach to varsity & he never looked back.
One of his first hires upon being named head coach was naming Mike Strong his assistant.
Strong remained with him through their first National Championship in 1976 & then left to take over the women's program.
Fast forward 35 years & one begins to wonder if history may soon repeat itself.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 14, 2013, 11:32:21 AM
  The haves r playing the have-nots in Wed conf action. Will there b any upsets? Lady Royals play all their games with the other haves on the road in the 1st half of the season. Sat begins a string of 3 games against the other haves.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 14, 2013, 08:41:21 PM
Somewhat of a mini-shocker...The College of NJ knocks off Moravian in the Steel City.
Fresh off the big win at home vs. Catholic & just back in the Top 25, the Greyhounds must have left a lot of their game on the floor last Sat.

The team I have to give a ton of credit to is Amherst.
This is by far their least talented team in GP's last 5 seasons, yet they remain undefeated.
Unquestionably, if he coached Scranton with their talent, they'd have a very deep run.
As it is, fingers crossed they make the Landmark playoffs.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on January 15, 2013, 10:31:23 AM
Hi Saratoga!  i can tell you're heartbroken  ;)!  Ya know what's even more amazing, is that Del Val beat TCNJ a couple of weeks ago.   Crazy D3 basketball!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 15, 2013, 09:57:12 PM
Hard to figure sometimes Kate.
I guess if there was going to be a let-down game, this would have been it.
I'm sure the Greyhounds will have re-grouped by the weekend.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 19, 2013, 06:25:27 PM
Catholic ladies totally dominate the Lady Royals.
That refrain is becoming far too common anymore...just substitute Catholic & add any name you'd like.
The current Scranton coach can no longer run out the best 15 players in the league & let their overall talent win games.
Now that there is far more parity in DIII, actual planning, recruiting, organization, scouting, teaching, X's & O's, reviewing & breaking down film & a thing called coaching wins games.
The days of the Lady Royals being able to make adjustments (based solely on talent) are history. The chances of them ever dominating again are history. Pretty soon, what we'll remember of them will be based on history.
With a current coach that seems either incapable of adjustments (either pre or in-game) or simply uninterested & without a passion any longer, the time for a full review of this program & the direction this university wishes to seek over the next decade & beyond has landed on its doorstep.
There are far too many bright, knowledgeable & energetic young coaches out there today waiting for the opportunity to make an impact.
One of the toughest decisions in athletics is knowing when it's time to gracefully step aside.
That review, is hopefully underway.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: subball on January 23, 2013, 07:58:49 AM
Saratoga,  I have read many of your posts over the last couple of years and try not to take it too seriously, however I feel that with your last post you have gone a little too far.  As a Scranton alum it is upsetting to me that a Scranton "fan"  would talk so negatively about the program and coaches.  I have thought a lot about how I would like to respond to your post and figured that if I try to attack what you wrote I would be just as bad as you.  Everyone has their own opinion.  But as a past Lady Royal, someone that also coached at Scranton and is currently a college coach I can say without a doubt that the players at Scranton and the University of Scranton are LUCKY to have Coach Strong as a coach.  As someone that has actually been in the office, on campus and in the locker room and a part of the program I can tell you that Coach Strong is very passionate about his job, works every day to try and make his players better and prepare them for games.  But one thing that you may not understand is that it is much more than wins.  Coach Strong has helped hundreds of players become great people and successful in the real world.  That is after all what is it all about.  I just hope before you write your next post you think about the players, coaches and all Lady Royals you are hurting with the things you write.  You can respond or not.  I will not write again but needed to say that win or lose I am extremely proud to be a Lady Royal and of our Coach! 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 23, 2013, 04:17:00 PM
Subball,
   You've eloquently stated the essence of the Lady Royals' program and what is important in the long run; your insight is appreciated. While I'm an acquaintance of Saratoga and have occasionally expressed disappointment with player execution and game strategy myself on this board, I agree that he has gone too far in his comments about Coach Strong. I continually witness firsthand(as recently as the Saturday Catholic game) that no one is more passionate during the play of the game than Coach Strong. I even wondered to his wife why he has to fire up teenagers to play harder and/or smarter.
   Thanks again for expressing your sentiments and best wishes for your own program.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 27, 2013, 12:40:46 AM
  The Lady Royals came up with another strong 2nd half performance(comparable to those against Rochester and Emmanuel, considering the quality of the opposition) to defeat Juniata in a big game for their psyche. Rebounding, turnover disparity, shot clock violations, and harassing defense were aspects of how well they played today when their FG % was below average. Hopefully, they can build on this for the remainder of the season. It's still possible for a 4-way tie for 1st place at 11-3. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 30, 2013, 10:14:39 PM
  Juniata becomes 1st of top 4 to lose at home(to Catholic,tonite)

Projected order of finish:

Catholic   12-2
Mor         11-3
Scr          11-3
Jun          10-4
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on February 03, 2013, 11:24:27 PM
14th straight home win helps No. 13 Cards clinch playoff berth     


  WASHINGTON – No. 13 CUA (20-1, 9-1) scored the first 20 points of the game en route to a 66-48 win over Drew (8-13, 4-6) on Saturday afternoon, and clinched a berth in the upcoming Landmark Conference Tournament.  The Cardinals forced 28 turnovers and converted them into 26 points and placed three players in double figures on the way to their sixth straight win.

The 2011-12 conference champion, CUA will now have a chance to defend its title later this month when the Landmark tourney gets underway.  The Cardinals win on Saturday increases their home win streak to 14 straight, including nine in a row this season.

CUA ripped off a 20-0 run right from the start, holding Drew without a point for the first 7:29.

Despite the Cardinals fast start, Drew was able to cut it to a 12-point game with 8:29 remaining in the first half on Whitney Mackay's layup.

CUA answered with six straight, opening up an 18-point bulge with 5:40 to play before the half.

The back-and-forth continued with the Rangers scoring seven of the next eight to pull within 12 with 2:39 remaining.

Drew then got even closer, getting to within eight on Mackay's jumper just before the buzzer.

Another Drew bucket to begin the second half brought the Rangers to within six, but baskets by Katarina Owunna and Jenny McGann pushed the Cards lead to 10 less than a minute later.

Drew continued to hang around, pulling to within five with 17:11 on the clock, but CUA then put its foot down, exploding with an 18-0 run to go in front by 23 with 12:12 to play.

The Rangers tried to make one final push, getting to within 16 on Jennifer Mateo's 3-pointer with 5:53 on the clock, but CUA did not allow Drew to get closer than 15 the rest of the way.

Owunna and Jill Woerner shared top scoring honors for CUA with 18 points each, while McGann added 14.  Grabiak dished out 11 assists, tying her career high, and Woerner ripped down 11 boards to complete the double-double.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 07, 2013, 12:02:05 AM
  Lady Royals clinch a playoff spot by beating Drew; shortest player on floor is leading rebounder; effort needs to be amped up in the final weeks for a successful run in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 07, 2013, 12:36:12 AM
 CUA averts the upset as Sus misses 2 FTs and 2 FGs in final minute

Projected order of finish:  coin flip decides 2nd/3rd seed

CUA    12-2
Scr      11-3
Mor     11-3
Jun     10-4
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 09, 2013, 10:02:13 PM
  Lady Royals have no answer for the stifling defense of CUA and are dominated in the categories of points in the paint(despite CUA's bigs missing most of the game with foul trouble), off turnovers, and via fast breaks. One wonders how Susquehanna nearly beat the Cards on Wednesday(without seeing the video) and speculate that CUA must have been lethargic in their play.
Royals are now eliminated from hosting a playoff game. Stephanie Keyes did have a perfect 8 points in 5 mins and Shernai had 10 bounds and considerable defensive pressure.

Projected order of finish:

CUA    13-1
Mor     11-3
Scr     10-4
Jun      9-5
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 11, 2013, 11:54:48 AM
  Winner of Moravian-CUA Saturday gets #1 seed; Juniata likely to finish 9-5 and would win a tie-breaker with the Royals by virtue of a win over Moravian; so if the Royals want to avoid a Wed trip to CUA, they either win twice this week if CUA wins or lose to Moravian Wed if Moravian wins @ CUA.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 11, 2013, 08:27:06 PM
Ronk:
I'd love nothing more than to see the Lady Royals make the necessary adjustments to take care of Moravian on Wed's. & then Goucher on Sat. & head into the Landmark playoffs playing some really good ball.
However...making adjustments is not something that's been seen around the Long Center in quite some time.

Other teams generally get better as the year goes on, the Lady Royals unfortunately, are having their weaknesses exposed game after game & rarely get to take advantage of any of their strengths...unless, of course, they play teams with sub .500 records.

I mean, the UofS defeats Rochester at Rochester at the start of the season, then promptly loses to Wilkes in a game that was never close & was the first time Wilkes had defeated Scranton in about 30 years. Over-confidence? Lack of preperation?

Meanwhile, Rochester defeats Washington U. in St. Louis last week yet we can't do better than a 17 point pasting at home vs. Catholic.

This team is far better than they've played yet not so good that they can go on cruise control and think a switch can be flipped & all of a sudden great basketball will happen. It has to be very frustrating to the kids because it certainly appears our opponents know exactly what they need to do to stop us yet we appear essentially...lost.

Unfortunately, I don't really think it matters who we play..if the best we can do was on display Sat., the days of this season are sadly & quickly coming to a close.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 11, 2013, 11:20:16 PM
Saratoga,
  To be sure, the Lady Royals have beaten 2 teams that play good defense-Rochester, by playing better defense themselves, having fewer turnovers, and making 17 FTs in the 2nd half to expand their lead, and Juniata, again, fewer turnovers and 12-15 FTs in 2nd half.
  However, against the good defending teams(Moravian,DeSales,CUA,twice), open shots generated by the offense have been minimal. What to try(and all of these may have been considered and rejected by the coaches, but, just in case) now that the season is in crunch time:
1 or 2-person screens(along the lane or baseline)-I can't see any D3 player getting thru a Meredith/Tayler screen
      who could use it-Alison, Kathryn, Jackie, Stephanie?
      requires discipline in setting the screen,avoiding illegal screen, and screenee can't let defender between her and screen
screens away from ball by the bigs(Meredith/Erin)-these have been tried occasionally but not once in the recent CUA game
pick-and-rolls
     Lindsay and Meredith/Erin/Tayler  While our bigs don't roll well w/o traveling, they should get open 12-footers
clearout for 1-on-1
     Lindsay is shooting fouls well enough to try to draw them in this scenario
full/3/4 court press
     Erin/Shernai at top of press- turns it into an uptempo transition game where the set 1/2 court offense is less needed

We'll see what develops Wed nite.   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 13, 2013, 11:25:17 PM
 Lady Royals remain in 3rd place with a gritty win over Moravian. With a win over Goucher in the regular season final or an MMA win, they'll finish 3rd and play at the loser of Moravian-CUA in the 1st round.
  Royals did it with defense(low Moravian FG %, steals, and blocks) in the 2nd half as the half court offense provided only 2 points in the 1st 13 mins. Steals, offensive boards, and 10-12 FTs overcame 17 turnovers and 16 offensive rebounds  allowed.
Not normally a winning formula, the Ladies showed some grit in beating a good team when their own offensive execution was less than optimal.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 14, 2013, 10:29:08 PM
A win, is a win...is a win.
That said...it was ugly as all hell.
Two Scranton timeouts led to virtually instatanious turnovers (so much for strategic planning),...then, not to be outdone, Scranton turns the ball over on 5 consecutive trips downcourt to start the second half.
How they ever won this game is a mystery...if they ever learn how to get the ball to Meradeth when she's actually open underneath...they might actually look like they know what their doing.
My favorite turnover of the game...a pass to a player running up the sideline with her back to the passer...no problem, a pass to her anyway which hits her in the back & harmlessly rolls out of bounds.
If they ever decide to put their game together...they just might scare someone.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on February 18, 2013, 08:06:29 PM
[CUA has entered the top 10 of the D3Hoops.com Top 25 poll, checking in at No. 10  of the latest rankings, released on Monday. The Cardinals have won a school record 24 games this season, including a school record 12 Landmark Conference victories. CUA has also earned the top seed in the conference tournament, which gets going on Wednesday evening.

CUA enters the postseason riding a 10-game win streak, which includes a dramatic 79-75 overtime victory against Moravian this past weekend. Senior captain Jill Woerner scored a game-high 25 points and pulled down 10 rebounds, as the Cardinals rallied from a 15-point second half deficit to improve to 12-0 at home this season.

Earlier in the week, CUA downed Goucher 61-43 behind the all-around brilliance of Emily Grabiak (12 points, 7 rebounds, 6 assists, 5 steals) and a defensive performance that held the Gophers to 28.8 percent shooting.

CUA has now won 46 games over the course of the past two seasons and is the defending conference champion.

Also on Monday, Woerner was named the Landmark Conference Player of the Week for the second time this season.

Top-seeded CUA will play host to No. 4 Juniata on Wednesday evening at 5:30 p.m. in a Landmark Conference Tournament semifinal. The winner of that game moves into the championship, slated for Saturday, February 23.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on February 20, 2013, 10:24:08 AM
Can't believe there hasn't been too much posting from the Scranton folk about tonight's play-off game betw. the Royals and Moravian right in my back yard!   There's so much great b'ball going on tonight within a 50-mile radius, that we're staying home and trying to watch it all on TV (Lafayette women) and the computer, your game and the Aggie men.   Safe trip to Bethlehem for all you ex "Macites" and may the better team win.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 20, 2013, 12:45:55 PM
Kate,
  We just played a week ago and after the 2nd half of that game, the winners aren't sure how they won and the losers how they lost. We're just going to see how it plays out; it might not be pretty.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 20, 2013, 01:08:25 PM
This board is more into post-game analysis (or griping!) than pre-game speculation.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 20, 2013, 01:17:20 PM
 I resemble that remark.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on February 20, 2013, 02:09:43 PM
Ronk -  :), and Grove, i don't know about your Scranton newspapers, but here in Easton we have been totally saturated with Moravian's comments about your game tonight.  If any of you Scranton fans get a chance you might want to pick up today's edition of the Express-Times when you're in Bethlehem or on line.   Analysis, multiple comments and MORE!  :D    Just jealous i suppose cause my Aggie women aren't in the play-offs and there's NOTHING (except a small print by-line) about the Aggie men game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 20, 2013, 03:51:04 PM
Kate,
  Thanks for the article mention; I checked it out online. While Catholic has the edge with home court and the large number of seniors, any of the 4 could win the playoffs.
  Always thought ur Aggies would have made their playoffs, also; I guess graduating the PG BB was a bigger factor than I thought.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 20, 2013, 10:44:28 PM
  Lady Royals pull out another gritty win over Moravian, coming from 10 down with 15 mins to go; this was much better basketball than last week's game. Night and day difference-actually saw some good passes, drives by Lindsay, effective movement of the ball and players. Ladies are realizing they can win with defense, steals, and offensive rebounds.
   Coach Spirk was right when she said they had to get Danielle Brogan over her shooting slump-she went 5-9 from 3-pt range. Moravian is a young team and they'll be a contender next year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2013, 12:29:08 AM
For those interested, I will be broadcasting both Landmark title games at Catholic Saturday. The link is here: http://ustre.am/uA0t (http://ustre.am/uA0t).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 21, 2013, 12:45:06 AM
 So, is Dean going to be ur halftime guest or r u going to be his?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 23, 2013, 10:07:09 AM
Best of luck to the Lady Royals today...they certainly have the talent to win...shock the Card's.
Should be an NCAA Pool C even if they fall short.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Roundball999 on February 23, 2013, 10:31:41 AM
Quote from: saratoga on February 23, 2013, 10:07:09 AM
Best of luck to the Lady Royals today...they certainly have the talent to win...shock the Card's.
Should be an NCAA Pool C even if they fall short.

I wouldn't count on that Pool C bid, if by falling short you were referring to the Lady Royals.  They don't even show in the top 8 of latest regional rankings.  Would be very unusual for a 19-8 team to make it in Pool C, especially with intense competition this year for Pool C bids.  Royals need to win the tournament.  But Cardinals would likely get a Pool C bid if they don't win.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2013, 11:03:01 AM
Quote from: Roundball999 on February 23, 2013, 10:31:41 AM
I wouldn't count on that Pool C bid, if by falling short you were referring to the Lady Royals.  They don't even show in the top 8 of latest regional rankings.  Would be very unusual for a 19-8 team to make it in Pool C, especially with intense competition this year for Pool C bids.  Royals need to win the tournament.  But Cardinals would likely get a Pool C bid if they don't win.

What regional rankings are you reading? Scranton is 4th in this week's regional rankings and will probably come to the selection table relatively quickly should they lose to Catholic. Plus, they will boost their SOS with these games against Moravian and Catholic which will also boost their vRRO to 1-1 (should they lose).

By the way, Scranton would have an 18-7 regional record, not 19-8 which is their overall record, which isn't great, but with an SOS of .530 and a vRRO of 4-2... that isn't bad.

Scranton has strengthen their argument of getting into the tournament as a second Pool C candidate for the Landmark but will have to deal with the fact that at least two other teams are head of them in the regional rankings. I think they are in good shape granted, Hope didn't make the tourney last year with a 20-5ish record... but there were other factors.

As for Catholic... they are a lock to get a Pool C bid. Today's game has a lot to do on whether CUA will host the first and second weekends of the NCAA tournament or maybe just the first. But CUA is in the NCAA tournament no matter what happens today.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 23, 2013, 11:43:19 AM
 2 of the 3 teams ahead of Scranton in the regional rankings have already lost since the rankings and the 3rd(Messiah) will probably win the AQ,removing them from the regional ranking Pool C consideration. Scranton's vrro is 4-4(2 losses to Catholic which would be 3 if they're in Pool C) and 1-1(Cal Lutheran, Emmanuel) additional if out-of-region vrro is considered secondarily.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Roundball999 on February 23, 2013, 12:00:40 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2013, 11:03:01 AM
Quote from: Roundball999 on February 23, 2013, 10:31:41 AM
I wouldn't count on that Pool C bid, if by falling short you were referring to the Lady Royals.  They don't even show in the top 8 of latest regional rankings.  Would be very unusual for a 19-8 team to make it in Pool C, especially with intense competition this year for Pool C bids.  Royals need to win the tournament.  But Cardinals would likely get a Pool C bid if they don't win.

What regional rankings are you reading? Scranton is 4th in this week's regional rankings and will probably come to the selection table relatively quickly should they lose to Catholic. Plus, they will boost their SOS with these games against Moravian and Catholic which will also boost their vRRO to 1-1 (should they lose).

By the way, Scranton would have an 18-7 regional record, not 19-8 which is their overall record, which isn't great, but with an SOS of .530 and a vRRO of 4-2... that isn't bad.

Scranton has strengthen their argument of getting into the tournament as a second Pool C candidate for the Landmark but will have to deal with the fact that at least two other teams are head of them in the regional rankings. I think they are in good shape granted, Hope didn't make the tourney last year with a 20-5ish record... but there were other factors.

As for Catholic... they are a lock to get a Pool C bid. Today's game has a lot to do on whether CUA will host the first and second weekends of the NCAA tournament or maybe just the first. But CUA is in the NCAA tournament no matter what happens today.

You're right, I was looking at the wrong region.  Nevertheless, 19-8 would be unusual and it would be best for Scranton to win out.  It is my understanding that Pool C is no longer allocated regionally, Scranton would be competing nationally for Pool C spots, and there are several regions that are loaded with very strong teams.

Hope was 22-5 last year, top 20 nationally all year, and didn't make it.  But the Great Lakes region is one of those very strong regions and some of Hope's best wins last year were against out of region top teams like Ithaca, NCAA screwy system doesn't count them, so agreed that was a little different. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 23, 2013, 12:18:48 PM
 Yes, the Pool C spots are allocated nationally, but Scranton could be #1 in its region for each Pool C decision and that's a very favorable place to be.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2013, 05:50:18 PM
Scranton will either be at the table the entire time for the 20 picks... or for a majority of them. I would be surprised if they didn't get picked at that point.

And at-large bids have been nationally selected for over a decade at least.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 24, 2013, 04:51:56 PM
Without a doubt, Scranton's Lady Royal's have done just enough to claim one of the coveted Pool C bids.
Where I have my doubts is what they'll do with that chance from a preparation perspective.

The following is a brief look at some schools & what they've done from the standpoint of making magnificent adjustments so that games that may have been considered a foregone conclusion, ended up being a huge victory by the supposed underdog.

On the men's side:

On 2/16 F&M defeats Dickinson by 30 points.
In last nights championship game at F&M, Dickinson wins by 24.

Scranton men vs. Juniata.
The Royals win both regular season games, the most recent at Scranton on 1/26 when they win by 21 points.
Three weeks later in the Landmark semi-final at Scranton, Juniata wins in double OT by 10.

On 2/10 Amherst plays at Williams and wins by 17.
In today's NESCAC championship game, Williams travels to Amherst & almost pulls it off losing by only 1.

On the women's side:

On 2/10 Amherst travels to Williams & suffers their only loss of the season...losing by 21 points.
In today's women's NESCAC championship, Amherst regroups & wins by 15.

The common theme is teams have lost games big (& in most instances two games) to the same team only to make the adjustments necessary to capitalize on their strengths & neutralize their opponents.

In the case of the Lady Royals, they've done just the opposite.
The first game they lost to Catholic was by 16, the next time was by 17 & instead of following in the examples outlined & creating the mismatches necessary to win, they get blown out by 20.

History is not on their side...
Three years ago they were swept by Moravian (3 games inclusive of playoff), with each loss getting progressively worse.
Two years ago it was Juniata following the exact same format as Moravian.
Last year it was Catholic's turn & again this year the repeat follows.

There is an old sports adage that laments how tough it is to defeat the same team three times in a season.
Thus far, the results coming out of Scranton's adjustment plan book more realistically prove, there are exceptions to every rule.

Here's hoping they get in...and, beyond that, hoping they actually have a plan that's workable & gives the kids a chance.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 24, 2013, 08:22:37 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 24, 2013, 04:51:56 PM
Without a doubt, Scranton's Lady Royal's have done just enough to claim one of the coveted Pool C bids.
Where I have my doubts is what they'll do with that chance from a preparation perspective.

The following is a brief look at some schools & what they've done from the standpoint of making magnificent adjustments so that games that may have been considered a foregone conclusion, ended up being a huge victory by the supposed underdog.

On the men's side:

On 2/16 F&M defeats Dickinson by 30 points.
In last nights championship game at F&M, Dickinson wins by 24.

Scranton men vs. Juniata.
The Royals win both regular season games, the most recent at Scranton on 1/26 when they win by 21 points.
Three weeks later in the Landmark semi-final at Scranton, Juniata wins in double OT by 10.

On 2/10 Amherst plays at Williams and wins by 17.
In today's NESCAC championship game, Williams travels to Amherst & almost pulls it off losing by only 1.

On the women's side:

On 2/10 Amherst travels to Williams & suffers their only loss of the season...losing by 21 points.
In today's women's NESCAC championship, Amherst regroups & wins by 15.

The common theme is teams have lost games big (& in most instances two games) to the same team only to make the adjustments necessary to capitalize on their strengths & neutralize their opponents.

In the case of the Lady Royals, they've done just the opposite.
The first game they lost to Catholic was by 16, the next time was by 17 & instead of following in the examples outlined & creating the mismatches necessary to win, they get blown out by 20.

History is not on their side...
Three years ago they were swept by Moravian (3 games inclusive of playoff), with each loss getting progressively worse.
Two years ago it was Juniata following the exact same format as Moravian.
Last year it was Catholic's turn & again this year the repeat follows.

There is an old sports adage that laments how tough it is to defeat the same team three times in a season.
Thus far, the results coming out of Scranton's adjustment plan book more realistically prove, there are exceptions to every rule.

Here's hoping they get in...and, beyond that, hoping they actually have a plan that's workable & gives the kids a chance.

Much of what you present I agree with, including the history segment; there was a stretch for more than a year when every loss was double digits. However, recently, they've been playing purposely, rather than just running a motion offense. Starting with the Goucher game which I saw in person, I've seen favorable things that weren't evident earlier in the year. The Moravian playoff game was night and day better than the regular season game a week earlier.
Yesterday, as an indication of adjustments, they used a 1-3-1 zone defense that was somewhat effective that I don't remember being previously used. On offense, I saw some screens, pick and rolls(Tayler got an open jumper from the foul line that she happened to miss), and curls(Meredith was the recipient of at least one) that I've thought for a long time should have been a significant part of the offense. All in all, it was a great game til the 10 min mark(Royals up 4) when the Card hit a 3 and was fouled, adding the free throw and tying the game. It seemed to have been a great mental deflater as the Cards added 11 more for a string of 15 unanswered points, stepped up their defense and we never got closer than 9.
  Admittedly, they haven't been able to play a complete game, but the progress is promising. Hopefully, we get an at-large berth to prove this out. Messiah losing makes it tougher for Scranton as Messiah will be on the selection table before Scranton as the Mid-Atlantic rep in the decision process. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2013, 11:39:00 PM
Messiah, Widener and maybe Moravian could still be ahead of Scranton... since all of those teams lost... but Scranton could move head of Moravian.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 25, 2013, 12:54:01 AM
 Widener and Moravian lost w/o getting a victory while Scranton did get a victory over a regionally-ranked team(Moravian), adds another for Kings and might get a 3rd if Cabrini becomes regionally ranked to become 6-5(7-6, including 2 out-of-region regionally ranked teams(Cal Lutheran,Emmanuel)). Half their schedule(13 games) will have been against regionally-ranked teams. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 25, 2013, 02:56:03 PM
  Lady Royals get an at-large berth to play Williams @ Rochester. They've already played the other 2 teams in the pod this year. Thought the NCAA tried to avoid that kind of circumstance.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 25, 2013, 03:07:50 PM
The NCAA tries to avoid first round rematches and having too many teams from the same conference in the same pod.  But rematches between non-conference opponents after the first round aren't uncommon.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 25, 2013, 03:20:16 PM
 Gordon, just a Marylander trying to lobby after the fact to be in the Lebanon Valley pod instead of Rochester. Happy to get the at-large berth, more importantly.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 25, 2013, 05:24:08 PM
I posted this on the CSAC board:

Lady Cavs traveling to DC to take on Catholic. Only common opponent was Scranton. Catholic beat Scranton 3 times by an average of almost 18 pts a game. Lady Cavs lost at Scranton early in season by 4.

Catholic:   26-1          Opponents:
67.2          pts/gm        52.5
38.5%          fg            31.2%
25.7%         3fg           24.7%
3.2           3fg/gm         4.3     
65.2%          FT           69.9%
13.4          FT/gm        10.2
47.3    rebounds/gm    39.3
15.9      assists/gm      12.3
16.6         TO/gm         20.1
11.4       steals/gm       6.9
5.2         blocks/gm      3.6

Leading Scorers:   Jill Woerner  16.9   Katarina Owunna 11.3
Leading Rebounders:  Katarina Owunna  8.9     Kelli Josephsen  7.0

Cabrini:     24-3         Opponents:
65.5          pts/gm        46.2
39.1%          fg            31.7%
30.8%         3fg           21.4%
4.0           3fg/gm         2.9     
62.6%          FT           65.3%
12.1          FT/gm        10.7
46.9    rebounds/gm    33.7
14.7      assists/gm       8.0
16.2         TO/gm         21.0
11.5       steals/gm       6.9
3.6         blocks/gm      2.8

Leading Scorers:   Brittany Sandone 14.8 Annie Rivituso 9.9
Leading Rebounders: Colleen Stewart 6.8 Amber Keys 6.7
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 26, 2013, 12:12:38 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 25, 2013, 03:20:16 PM
Gordon, just a Marylander trying to lobby after the fact to be in the Lebanon Valley pod instead of Rochester. Happy to get the at-large berth, more importantly.

You really want to be in the pod that should be at Montclair State (undefeated) but is only at Lebanon Valley because of the gambling issue? Honestly... better chance at Rochester than against Montclair State - though I know you want to get to the game... which I totally understand :).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 28, 2013, 10:34:01 PM
Cards fans,
ICYMI, there's nice coverage of their trip back to the NCAA tourney on the front page of D3hoops.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 16, 2013, 04:00:58 PM
We've released our list of All-Americans. Congratulations to Jill Woerner.

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2013/03/womens-all-americans
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on April 02, 2013, 03:58:15 PM
Elizabethtown moves to the Landmark: http://gosusqu.com/sports/bsb/2012-13/releases/0402_etown
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 19, 2013, 10:46:50 AM
 Lady Royals come up with a tough opener - Final 4 team Montclair St in the Gwynedd-Mercy tipoff tourney; don't know who the 4th team in the tourney is, at this time. Could be at least 3 frosh from same AAU team in this game that I tried to interest in becoming Lady Royals, but until the rosters r officially released later, this is speculation on my part.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on July 27, 2013, 05:38:29 PM
Susquehanna gets one of the MAC's BEST, Taylor Greene, a stand-out graduate player for Coach Richter at DeSales, has been named an assistant Women's basketball coach.   Good luck Coach!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on August 29, 2013, 10:57:27 PM
  Catholic will be playing Maryland in an exhibition the end of October; Messiah, with a veteran team, was competitive with Maryland in its game last year. Catholic, with last year's team, might have done the same, but they've graduated a lot this spring.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 08, 2013, 11:14:44 PM
  According to DIIINews' preseason rankings, the Lady Royals will play 6 games against Top 25 teams including the opener with #1 Montclair State, for a total of 4 of the 11 optional nonconference opponents. It could raise a historicallly high SOS even higher, if results validate projections. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 10, 2013, 10:09:13 AM
Quote from: ronk on October 08, 2013, 11:14:44 PM
  According to DIIINews' preseason rankings, the Lady Royals will play 6 games against Top 25 teams including the opener with #1 Montclair State, for a total of 4 of the 11 optional nonconference opponents. It could raise a historicallly high SOS even higher, if results validate projections.

   Only 1 of the optional nonconference games is at home; there are 4 away, 4 neutral, and 2 either away or neutral, depending on 1st round tourney results. That should increase the SOS even more.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 29, 2013, 10:01:02 PM
 Catholic Cards open season with an exhibition loss @ #5 U of Md; The game was supposed to be played last year when Catholic would have been significantly more competitive but was cancelled by Hurricane Sandy. Having to replace 4 graduated starters and 8 seniors overall with 12 freshmen is a tough task for any program, especially visiting such a strong D1 power. And, the Cards' potentially best player was missing from the box score. However, there should be positives from experiencing how the other 1% lives, basketball-wise. Such was my experience in a very brief collegiate 'career', the hilite of which was playing in the mecca of college basketball(at the time) at the U. of Pennsylvania Palestra in a Big 5 tripleheader.   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cugrad on November 03, 2013, 04:32:18 PM
Catholic plays Maryland tough, particularly the Phanoid twins, as Maryland wins 84 - 39. Terps had to come back from a 10 - 8 deficit.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 06, 2013, 06:57:39 PM

Scranton Athletics
November 6, 2013

Once again, The University of Scranton women's basketball team is expected to contend for a Landmark Conference championship.

The Lady Royals, who are coming off a second-place finish last season and an appearance in the NCAA Tournament, were chosen second in a preseason poll of the conference coaches, which was released by the conference office on Wednesday afternoon.

Moravian College was the top choice, picking up six first-place votes and 57 points, with Scranton receiving one first-place vote and 52 points. Juniata College was third with one first-place vote and 37 points, followed by Catholic (36 points), Drew (19), Susquehanna (16), Goucher (15) and Merchant Marine Academy (14).

Scranton is coming off a season in which it went 19-9, including 10-4 in the Landmark Conference. The Lady Royals were the third seed in the playoffs, where they knocked off Moravian in a thrilling semifinal, 72-71, a victory that almost certainly assured them of an NCAA bid.

The Lady Royals lost to Catholic in the title game, but picked up that at-large bid to the NCAA Tournament, marking their 26th appearance in the Tournament. They fell to eventual Final Four participant Williams College in the first round.

Scranton welcomes back a trio of starters among their nine returning letter-winners, who are joined by a six-player freshman class. The Lady Royals open their season on Friday, Nov. 15, when they face Montclair State at 6 p.m. in the Gwynedd-Mercy Tip-Off Tournament in Gwynedd Valley, Pa.

2013 Landmark Conference Women's Basketball Preseason Poll

Institution (first-place votes)    Points
1. Moravian (6)   67
2. Scranton (1)   52
3. Juniata (1)   37
4. Catholic   36
5. Drew   19
6. Susquehanna   16
7. Goucher   15
8. Merchant Marine Academy   14
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 30, 2013, 10:27:16 PM
 After digesting the personnel changes from last season and the nonconference results this season, I project a form conference finish with Scranton, Juniata, and Moravian 12-2, Catholic beating everyone else @ 8-6, and everyone else splitting with each other @ 4-10.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 11, 2014, 07:41:24 PM
 Congrats to the Lady Royals(present and past) and Mike Strong on his 800th victory today.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 11, 2014, 11:23:34 PM
Congrats to Mike & all the Lady Royal's that made 800 happen.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on January 12, 2014, 12:41:12 PM
Eight hundred - that's one heck of a lot of wins!  Congratulations Coach Strong!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 12, 2014, 12:50:21 PM
800--very impressive.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 12, 2014, 03:57:44 PM
Another episode of Hoopsville is slated for tonight... and Scranton's Coach Mike Strong will be on the show to talk about career win 800. We also have the following guests lined up:

Wellesley's Jennifer Kroll (Northeast Region)
Albertus Magnus' Mitch Oliver (Northeast Region)
#15 Virginia Wesleyan's Dave Macedo on win #300 (South Region & Coach's Corner)
#18 SUNY Purchase's Jeff Chaney (Atlantic Region)
#13 St. Norbert's Gary Grezesk (Central/Midwest Region)

We also have a major announcement to talk about.

Show starts at 7 PM EST and runs about two hours... and we may have time for another rant.

You can tune in here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2013-14/jan12 (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2013-14/jan12)

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Thanks and enjoy the show!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on January 13, 2014, 09:36:02 AM
Here's a sincere congratulations to Coach Strong and all the Lady Royals who contributed to this outstanding achievement !
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on January 15, 2014, 08:32:49 AM
As per our Easton Express Times this morning, Moravian's Mary Beth Spirk goes for win #500 tonight against Drew.  The game is in Madison.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on January 16, 2014, 08:00:37 AM
No mention in this morning's paper, but I see that Coach Spirk got win #500 last night.  Congratulations to the Coach next door, so to speak!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 05, 2014, 06:22:32 PM
 Surprised that the Marywood-Scranton game is postponed. must not have been able to get 3 local sub refs to the gym. Marywood could have taken a city bus and then used the 5-block walk to the gym as their pregame warmup ;D.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: 7express on February 10, 2014, 01:42:06 AM
Nice to see Catholic up there at the top of the league.  A friend from elementary school, her sister is playing down there, getting about 20 minutes a game as a freshmen for a 16-4 team is pretty impressive.  Last week should be exciting, Moravian ends the year with both Scranton & Catholic at home; Scranton has road games @ Catholic @ Moravian back to back and 2 of Catholic's last 3 games are Scranton & Moravian.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 10, 2014, 10:08:37 AM
Quote from: 7express on February 10, 2014, 01:42:06 AM
Nice to see Catholic up there at the top of the league.  A friend from elementary school, her sister is playing down there, getting about 20 minutes a game as a freshmen for a 16-4 team is pretty impressive.  Last week should be exciting, Moravian ends the year with both Scranton & Catholic at home; Scranton has road games @ Catholic @ Moravian back to back and 2 of Catholic's last 3 games are Scranton & Moravian.

Dress rehearsal for seeding for the conference tourney and building  a case for a Pool C NCAA berth, if you don't win the AQ.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: 7express on February 10, 2014, 04:55:56 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 10, 2014, 10:08:37 AM
Quote from: 7express on February 10, 2014, 01:42:06 AM
Nice to see Catholic up there at the top of the league.  A friend from elementary school, her sister is playing down there, getting about 20 minutes a game as a freshmen for a 16-4 team is pretty impressive.  Last week should be exciting, Moravian ends the year with both Scranton & Catholic at home; Scranton has road games @ Catholic @ Moravian back to back and 2 of Catholic's last 3 games are Scranton & Moravian.

Dress rehearsal for seeding for the conference tourney and building  a case for a Pool C NCAA berth, if you don't win the AQ.

Ronk, you think all 3 will get in regardless of who wins the tournament??
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 10, 2014, 05:27:30 PM
7express,
  I don't have the handle on the rest of the contenders in the 2 regions(Catholic is in the Atlantic) at this time, but give me a couple of days to research it. It will be a big accomplishment for either Catholic(lost 4 starters from last year) or Moravian(lost their best player earlier this season to injury) to make it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2014, 12:29:14 AM
I wouldn't bet on more than two right now... only because there are a LOT of good teams across the country this year. That being said, enjoy the last year where the conference is split into the Atlantic and Mid-Atlantic giving them the best chances at more bids... because they are all in the Mid-Atlantic next season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 11, 2014, 11:57:06 PM
Quote from: 7express on February 10, 2014, 04:55:56 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 10, 2014, 10:08:37 AM
Quote from: 7express on February 10, 2014, 01:42:06 AM
Nice to see Catholic up there at the top of the league.  A friend from elementary school, her sister is playing down there, getting about 20 minutes a game as a freshmen for a 16-4 team is pretty impressive.  Last week should be exciting, Moravian ends the year with both Scranton & Catholic at home; Scranton has road games @ Catholic @ Moravian back to back and 2 of Catholic's last 3 games are Scranton & Moravian.

Dress rehearsal for seeding for the conference tourney and building  a case for a Pool C NCAA berth, if you don't win the AQ.

Ronk, you think all 3 will get in regardless of who wins the tournament??

Winning a Pool C is a 2-step process-ranking high in your region to come to the table and then competing with the other 7 regions at that point. At this point, it looks good for Catholic since only the loser of York-CNU should be ahead of them in the region and will be taken early in the national selection; Scranton & Moravian have 5 competitors w comparable records. 1st clue tomorrow w release of RRs; still a lot of conference & tourney games to affect things.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2014, 03:05:18 PM
Remember, Catholic could be at the table at the same time as Scranton or others since the conference is split into two different regions for one more year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 16, 2014, 05:23:33 PM
       Entering the final week, Scranton, Moravian, and Catholic can finish anywhere 1-3; Scranton and Moravian control their own destiny; Catholic would need help from Goucher to finish 1st.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2014, 06:53:18 PM
ROFL... Catholic would need Goucher's help! I'm making a call... my alma mater is not supposed to be helping the Cardinals in any way! :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 17, 2014, 11:19:25 AM
Ronk:
If the Lady Royal's defeat Moravian on Wednesday, it's over.
Should Moravian win, & assuming Catholic wins on Wednesday, then the 3 are tied.
However, Catholic & Moravian then play in the last regular season game & one of them are going to have 3 losses.
Assuming Moravian defeats Scranton & Catholic, even though both the Greyhounds & Lady Royals will have the same W/L record, Moravian wins out due to the regular season sweep.
If Moravian defeats Scranton but loses to Catholic, the Lady Royal's will win based upon their sweep of the Cardinals.
I can't see a scenario where the Lady Royals finish lower than 2nd.
Not that Goucher isn't capable of knocking off Scranton at the Long Center (please refer to Baptist Bible vs. Cabrini), just can't honestly see it happening.
Up to this point, it will be the biggest game the young Lady Royals will have played. 
Time will tell soon enough if Scranton is once again ready for prime time...God only knows they certainly have the talent.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 17, 2014, 11:32:40 AM
Quote from: saratoga on February 17, 2014, 11:19:25 AM
Ronk:
If the Lady Royal's defeat Moravian on Wednesday, it's over.
Should Moravian win, & assuming Catholic wins on Wednesday, then the 3 are tied.
However, Catholic & Moravian then play in the last regular season game & one of them are going to have 3 losses.
Assuming Moravian defeats Scranton & Catholic, even though both the Greyhounds & Lady Royals will have the same W/L record, Moravian wins out due to the regular season sweep.
If Moravian defeats Scranton but loses to Catholic, the Lady Royal's will win based upon their sweep of the Cardinals.
I can't see a scenario where the Lady Royals finish lower than 2nd.
Not that Goucher isn't capable of knocking off Scranton at the Long Center (please refer to Baptist Bible vs. Cabrini), just can't honestly see it happening.
Up to this point, it will be the biggest game the young Lady Royals will have played. 
Time will tell soon enough if Scranton is once again ready for prime time...God only knows they certainly have the talent.

Scranton loses last 2 & Catholic wins last 2-Catholic is 1st, Moravian is 2nd, ans Scranton is 3rd. Unlikely but not impossible.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 19, 2014, 11:12:52 PM
 After tonight's action, Scranton is #1 seed, the Catholic-Moravian winner is the #2, the loser is #3, and the Juniata-Drew winner is the #4.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 23, 2014, 09:58:08 AM
 From the what-might-have-been department:
  Scranton Lady Royals' Katie Cunningham laced them up yesterday after a 3-year absence and made 3 consecutive 3-pters on Senior Day. Katie was thought to be the PG for 4 years, had a good freshman year, but suffered an injury before her sophomore year and served as a team manager since. Congrats to Katie! 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Roundball999 on February 23, 2014, 10:19:30 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 23, 2014, 09:58:08 AM
From the what-might-have-been department:
  Scranton Lady Royals' Katie Cunningham laced them up yesterday after a 3-year absence and made 3 consecutive 3-pters on Senior Day. Katie was thought to be the PG for 4 years, had a good freshman year, but suffered an injury before her sophomore year and served as a team manager since. Congrats to Katie! 

Wow, it's a shame injury stole all that time from her - but what a way to finish!  Congratulations to Ms. Cunningham.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on February 24, 2014, 11:22:49 AM
Same here....Way to go KC ! I'm glad I had the chance to see the game and celebration....She hung in there when so many others would have dropped out of the game. We always hear about the low percentage of HS  athletes who go on to play college ball. However, I don't think there's enough said about the percentage of college athletes who actually stay 4 years with a program, any program, any school, any division level...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 24, 2014, 12:41:31 PM
  Katie still has a couple of NCAA tourney irons in the fire-with the Lady Royals and with an older sister(an All-American @ Drew), now assistant coach with Montclair St, whom the Royals played in the 1st game of the season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 02, 2014, 10:52:52 PM
  Looking good for Pool C chances for Moravian and Catholic; Moravian should be 1st Mid-Atlantic rep at the table and Catholic the 2nd Atlantic rep(after CNU who should be picked early); if Catholic gets selected, then Kelly Lewandowski's Salisbury team might have the next shot.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 03, 2014, 04:33:50 AM
Salisbury won't make it... they will be at the table in the end, but I don't think they make it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 03, 2014, 11:35:49 AM
Just trying to help the Selection Committee.....
With their record & SOS among other things, there is no doubt the Scranton women would be hosting this weekend were it not for their men also having an outstanding year & earning the right to host this weekend.
Therefore, since the Lady Royal's must be on the road, how about a host site not that far away.
My suggestion is Haverford hosting along with:
*Scranton
*Salisbury
*Geneseo.
In the past, I believe the NCAA has tried to have schools that would otherwise host if it were not for the men's turn being at home not having to travel very far.
A potential matchup between Coach Strong & his former great player Kelly Lewandowski might be nice for us...pretty sure he'd like to avoid it if possible.
I think the Lady Royal's have earned the right to play as close to Scranton without being in the Long Center as possible.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 03, 2014, 11:59:51 AM
Per your thoughts...Putting Scranton into a section being hosted essentially by default & being a conference member they just played twice in the last week & a half (Moravian), is just plain dumb.
Spread them out.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 03, 2014, 12:02:37 PM
Hoopsville thought that Scranton will be the top seed @ Messiah with Plattsburgh & Roger Williams. Better for me!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 03, 2014, 12:34:46 PM
That would make more sense.
However, in their Hoopsville writeup projecting the brackets...they list Moravian as hosting.
That makes no sense.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 03, 2014, 12:47:02 PM
Scranton men aren't hosting(@ Brockport against Hobart); maybe women will
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 03, 2014, 03:07:16 PM
Catholic not in-should have been at the evaluation table for a long time-may have lost out to Lebanon Valley.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 03, 2014, 10:37:40 PM
Posted this on the CSAC board.

Lady Cavs of Cabrini(CSAC Champs) taking on Moravian, an At-Large bid from the Landmark Conference on Friday at 5:30. Common opponents: Centenary, Immaculata, Albright and Scranton. Lady Cavs 5-1. Lost to Albright. Moravian 4-2(both losses to Scranton).

Moravian:   20-7 (0-1 N)   Opponents:
70.3               pts/gm              61.9
42.3%              fg                   34.9%
33.4%              3fg                 27.9%
5.2                3fg/gm               4.0     
71.5%              FT                  66.9%
13.1              FT/gm               13.5
40.4           rebounds/gm         43.1
16.0            assists/gm            11.9
17.9               TO/gm              19.2
9.9               steals/gm             8.5
8.6                blocks/gm           3.3

Leading Scorers:   Katie O'Rourke 13.3   Danielle Brogan 10.3
Leading Rebounders:  Laura Jordan  5.4    Ericka Blair 5.3

Cabrini:       23-4 (2-1 N)    Opponents:
69.3               pts/gm             51.3
39.3%                 fg              33.7%
28.0%                 3fg             24.7%
4.6                    3fg/gm         3.1     
64.8%                  FT             66.4%
12.1                  FT/gm           11.6
45.3              rebounds/gm    38.5
15.3               assists/gm       9.2
15.7                  TO/gm         22.9
11.6                  steals/gm       7.4
4.0                   blocks/gm       2.9

Leading Scorers:   Brittany Sandone 14.5 Amber Keys 13.3
Leading Rebounders: Annie Rivituso 7.0 Amber Keys 6.8
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 09, 2014, 09:41:51 AM
Lady Royals' fans,
Was hoping that Baldwin-Wallace was 500+ miles to Montclair St, so that Scranton would be the STRONG geographical choice to hold their sectional, but it's approximately 450 miles, so the NCAA can still hold it in Northern NJ. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: bill on March 09, 2014, 05:14:21 PM
...and in Northern NJ it is.... ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 09, 2014, 08:57:45 PM
Bill,
  Is there a good cheese pizza place near/on FDU campus?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 09, 2014, 09:13:01 PM
ronk - I don't know of one... I am somewhat familiar with the area as I have family there... but if you cross the interstate and get into Morristown/Morris Plains, you will find a number of great little eating spots - about five or so minutes from the campus.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 09, 2014, 09:26:13 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 09, 2014, 09:13:01 PM
ronk - I don't know of one... I am somewhat familiar with the area as I have family there... but if you cross the interstate and get into Morristown/Morris Plains, you will find a number of great little eating spots - about five or so minutes from the campus.

Ok,thanks-that should be good enough.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: bill on March 09, 2014, 11:31:33 PM
Well, I have a different opinion on the pizza situation :)

1.  In "downtown" Madison, the two local favorites are Romanelli's and Firehouse Pizza. As far a pizza goes, it's relatively strong.

2. Of course, you can always go mega-high end, and just eat at Ill Mondo Vecchio...but those Zagat points are going to run you a minimum of $100 for two...yikes!

3. Other decent choices include "the garlic rose" and "poor herbies"...not what you asked for, but pretty good.

Good luck...Madison is the lunch capital of Central NJ...there must be an Italian deli every 4th or 5th store in town ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 09, 2014, 11:54:33 PM
Quote from: bill on March 09, 2014, 11:31:33 PM
Well, I have a different opinion on the pizza situation :)

1.  In "downtown" Madison, the two local favorites are Romanelli's and Firehouse Pizza. As far a pizza goes, it's relatively strong.

2. Of course, you can always go mega-high end, and just eat at Ill Mondo Vecchio...but those Zagat points are going to run you a minimum of $100 for two...yikes!

3. Other decent choices include "the garlic rose" and "poor herbies"...not what you asked for, but pretty good.

Good luck...Madison is the lunch capital of Central NJ...there must be an Italian deli every 4th or 5th store in town ;)

Thanks, Bill-hope we're both playing Saturday.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: bill on March 10, 2014, 08:30:57 AM
 Ronk - from your lips to God's ears ;D

A match up like that could be interesting. FDU, as you know, has a long standing history of futility with Scranton. Factoid of the day: FDU is an even 0-50 all time against Scranton!!! :'(
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 10, 2014, 11:06:06 AM
Bill,
  Will FDU be putting out a message about the sectional like game times, visitor info(hotels,parking,etc)?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 10, 2014, 12:29:52 PM
Ronk:
Just head to 54 Main in Madison...the only place you'll need.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 10, 2014, 12:44:11 PM
Quote from: saratoga on March 10, 2014, 12:29:52 PM
Ronk:
Just head to 54 Main in Madison...the only place you'll need.
Saratoga,
  Thanks-54 Main - restaurant, motel, church?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: bill on March 10, 2014, 02:44:41 PM
Hmm...I think so - but I'm not there today!

I do know Scranton/Montclair is the 5, FDU/BW the 7:00. Saturday's game 7:00 also.

In the last round, the teams stayed at the Wyndham Hamilton Park - it's on campus!  Officials and NCAA reps stayed at Madison Hotel, about 500 yards from campus.

If I see more, I'll post it!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on March 10, 2014, 03:35:31 PM
I hate to project here as we know it's not "tournament protocol" to talk about any game other than the next one. ....However, now that there was mention of Scranton's 50 - 0 record against FDU....(Bill, I know you have a good sense of humor),  is that  just a "hex aka jinx" (ha !)  and locker room wall material for the Lady Devils ?  It's like mentioning a no hitter while still in progress ? ...Then again, both teams, Devils & Royals, need a big win before they ever get to play each other.. ...

Perhaps a little drama if MSU ends up playing the Devils with Brown facing off against her prior team ?

Love the hype....Let the real fun begin and enjoy the ride !

Best of luck to all the teams & a sincere congrats for getting to the Sweet 16....     
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: bill on March 10, 2014, 04:30:49 PM
Ha! - The "anti-jinx", maybe??

I actually put that record up because of respect for the Scranton program. Granted, they come from a very different background/level than FDU, but you think FDU might have snuck a win in there somewhere :)

FDU is still making its bones in this whole thing...and to keep the mafia reference going, Scranton is already made!  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on March 10, 2014, 06:51:20 PM
By the way, if anyone really likes hot wings, Poor Herbies,  in the center of Madison, gets my vote.....However, for an extra wide selection of "beverages" (& good food), 54 gets in done.. ..
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 10, 2014, 07:40:29 PM
Ronk:
I'm sure 54 Main has been used in some form or fashion as all three at some point....
however, if you're just looking for some really good food with a wide variety of beverages, you won't be disappointed.
Five minutes from Drew, perhaps 10 to FDU.
Augie will be greeting Scranton fans at the door!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 15, 2014, 01:40:30 AM
Losing in the NCAA tournament is never fun, but Scranton has a bright future, again. Sarah Payonk has the skill set to be an All-American. She's a tall, athletic player who is comfortable in space and can score around the rim. Alexix Roman is already a good low post threat and will get better. And Meredith Mesaris is a workhorse around the rim. If you're a Scranton fan -- and there were a lot of them in Madison tonight -- you should be very bullish about this team. Watching Payonk and Roman develop should be fun.

Ronk, thanks for stopping by tonight. Good to see you.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 16, 2014, 01:41:32 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on March 15, 2014, 01:40:30 AM
Losing in the NCAA tournament is never fun, but Scranton has a bright future, again. Sarah Payonk has the skill set to be an All-American. She's a tall, athletic player who is comfortable in space and can score around the rim. Alexix Roman is already a good low post threat and will get better. And Meredith Mesaris is a workhorse around the rim. If you're a Scranton fan -- and there were a lot of them in Madison tonight -- you should be very bullish about this team. Watching Payonk and Roman develop should be fun.

Ronk, thanks for stopping by tonight. Good to see you.

Gordon,
       enjoyed our too-brief discussion, but forgot to thank you in person for your D3 historical work that was recently displayed. Thanks also for your gracious(and accurate) words about Scranton's front court players; I'm looking forward to the next 3 years of the Payonk-Roman combo.
  Sara has been a joy to watch this year with double-doubles in each of the Montclair games(1st and last games of the season) and making all of her teammates better with her effort, instinct, and aggressiveness(driving on Melissa Tobie, for example, trying to draw a foul), in between. I had seen her play maybe 7 games 2 summers ago(AAU and high school tourneys) but was not prepared for her effect on a game going into this season.
  Rachel Krauss(Montclair) was another that I saw that summer, hoping to interest in the Lady Royals, so it was tough watching her burn us with 14 points on 4-7 3-pt shooting.
  Only watched 1st half of FDU-Baldwin-Wallace game and thought B-W had turned the corner and would impose their game on an untested FDU in the 2nd half-wasn't prepared for the press that turned things around(or the blitz in the Montclair 2nd half tonight).
   Best wishes to FDU next weekend! 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 16, 2014, 02:14:40 AM
 Lady Royals let Montclair get off to too big a lead with disparities of -12 in turnovers, -5 on offensive rebounds and 14 points from reserve 3-pt shooter Rachael Krauss being too much to overcome. With Montclair on a 10-2 run to increase their halftime lead to 48-30, Coach Strong called a timeout with 17:11 left to change the tide; I'm very roughly paraphrasing here but, in general, he said it was not about strategy now, but intensity and effort and there was much improvement from that point on(despite occasional lapses of open 3-pt shots), closing to a possible 3-pt play by Sara Payonk down 6 with 8 secs remaining; however, the shot didn't fall and there wasn't a foul drawn, ending a very successful season.
  Sightings in the largely Scranton crowd: recent assistant coach Steph Witko, former players Kelly Lewandowski and Courtney Roselle, and possibly, Megan Kopecki's dad.
   The future looks bright for the Lady Royals, in general, and it's a joy to watch the play of Sara, in particular. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on March 17, 2014, 03:36:30 PM
I thought the score was closer than the actual game. As mentioned by Ronk, the TO's took an early toll on the Royals. It's incredible that Scranton shot 59% from the field and 63% from beyond the arc and still lost this game. The Lady Royals should be commended for showing a lot of heart in the closing minutes. They were on the verge of getting blown out but kept at it and never gave up. No matter how sad, I think they certainly left the court with dignity and respect,  from their own fans, and those of MSU.

It brings to mind that the Royals men's team shot the ball equally well and lost too.....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 18, 2014, 04:07:46 PM
Congrats to Meredith Mesaris on her 1st team all-regional selection and best wishes to the Lady Royals' seniors:
   Alison - 4th all-time in made 3-pt FGs; 1st team all-conference as a soph; enjoyed discussions with your dad over the years
   Katie Sherry - you were a big factor in a number of games this year
   Katie Cunningham - what might have been; glad you experienced  the late-season action
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 29, 2014, 10:46:46 PM
We don't post off season columns too often, but we wanted to recognize Scranton Coach Mike Strong on his retirement.

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2014/09/finishing-strong-at-scranton
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 30, 2014, 01:15:52 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 29, 2014, 10:46:46 PM
We don't post off season columns too often, but we wanted to recognize Scranton Coach Mike Strong on his retirement.

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2014/09/finishing-strong-at-scranton

Gordon,
  Very nice presentation on your part, made even better by the anecdotes. We're going to miss the "young" man(he graduated 1 year after me), but his effect on the program will continue. Thanks!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: amh63 on October 01, 2014, 03:33:05 PM
ronk....your last post here confirms your affiliation to the U. of Scranton.  The past several years as I journey up to central NY state and past Scranton....I wonder about the connection aspect...truly...a little strange but true.  Understand better about your info posted on the CAC WBB board....keep them coming.  Fellow WBB fan.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 02, 2014, 09:37:03 AM
amh63,
   Your nescac board is the 1 non-Mid-Atlantic board that I view because of the analysis and opinions of its contributors and because the road to the final 4 usually goes through 1 or more of its members, both men and women. I contribute when relevant(and sometimes otherwise). I'm especially in tune with you both in time(age) and space(DC suburbs). Looking forward to the coming season - we'll be STRONG in both genders.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: mailsy on December 10, 2014, 10:03:02 AM
I see that Cabrini's Coach Kate Pearson is being inducted into the Scranton Wall of Fame! Congrats Kate!

http://www.cabriniathletics.com/news/2014/12/9/WBB_1209144306.aspx?path=wbball
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 10, 2014, 12:28:31 PM
 Kate qualified on 3 counts: prowess in bball, lacrosse, and coaching, being 1 of only 3 coaches to defeat the Lady Royals last year. ;D. Congrats also to Kate's backcourt running mate during her career, Katie Dougherty, on her selection in the same Wall of Fame induction class. Katie is my alltime favorite Lady Royal because of her combination of proficiency and hustle/effort.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 03, 2015, 08:13:39 PM
 The Lady Royals had a stern test in E-town today, winning the battle for the Landmark lead against the Blue Jays. I'll project that E-town will finish 2nd this season. They were aggressive, physical, and well-coached.
  Kudos to Lia for hitting 3-4 3-pters when the lead was cut to 3 in the 2nd half in addition to 7 rebounds and 3 steals.
   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 04, 2015, 10:29:49 PM
Ronk:
"Physical" is certainly an understatement.
One play in particular had Noel (sneaking in for a rebound), grabbed from behind and thrown hard to the floor with no whistle.
In Waverly, Pa., that aggression carries a mandatory 3 year sentence.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 15, 2015, 12:19:41 AM
  Congrats to Meredith on getting 1500 points tonight in only 3 years. Catholic, then Moravian, both on the road next for the Lady Royals. Thought E-town might finish 2nd, but they're 1-3 since I made that assessment.
Scranton   7-0
Catholic     5-1
Susque     5-1
Moravian   5-2 
E-town     3-4
Drew        3-4
Juniata     2-4
Goucher   0-6
MMA        0-8
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 04, 2015, 08:52:22 PM
Scranton barely pulls one out tonight at home vs. a team they beat on the road by 20 plus.
Their bigs need to establish themselves much better on the blocks & their guards simply have to contribute something offensively.
Not firing at all, some games they look like they are regressing rather than improving.
Credit to MBS of Moravian...clearly had a game plan & out coached  her counterpart at Scranton.
Much, much work to do if this Lady Royal team wants to play beyond the Landmark playoffs.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 04, 2015, 11:05:15 PM
  Lady Royals allowed too many offensive rebounds, especially against a team known for that and the inbound attempts with 29 secs remaining weren't reassuring for when they play better teams. Lindsay looked like she cramped in the 2nd half; her 39 mins of play might have contributed to that. They're missing the go-to player who can create her own shot, especially as the shot clock winds down, but the rest of the tools are there - time to upgrade their play as they get into season crunch time. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on February 06, 2015, 12:35:41 PM
Contrary to Coach Strong's statement about leaving behind a very very good team, I feel this Royals squad has too many deficiencies to be a legitimate Top 15 program. The bench is the weakest I've ever seen and the overall team is slow and even a little soft. I feel Coach DK is making the most of what she's been given for this season.  There's no question that Meredith is a force, however, the weaknesses which were already pointed out by Saratoga and Ronk along with their lack of speed and toughness will haunt them as they play against more athletic teams....When playing their best ball, they may be competitive against FDU or Montclair State for a half but will end up losing by 20....That said, I wish the Lady Royals well and will continue to root for them until the end..
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 06, 2015, 10:58:18 PM
  The Lady Royals are a Top 15 team; what is keeping them from the Final 4 level is an appreciation of the value of each possession on offense and the desire to contest every opponent possession, including the afore-mentioned boxing out. Sometimes they need a kick in the butt like the Sweet 16 game against Montclair last season but they were a young team then. They're a year more experienced now and shouldn't need that kick anymore.
   Coach Deanna says in her interviews that they've been working hard on defense from the opening practice; they've shown stretches of good defense; it's now time to do it consistently.
  Juniata will get after them tomorrow and Catholic in 2 weeks, although neither is as talented as they have been in recent years. Susquehanna is more talented than they've been in a while, including a couple of sisters that I tried to interest in Scranton. E-town is a young team that battled them in early January. We'll see what progress is made in the next 3 weeks.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 07, 2015, 11:07:14 AM
The Lady Royals coach can say "they" are working on defense since the start of practice because she is assisted by Coach Cianci...who is well known near and far as an outstanding teacher of defensive sets.
From that aspect, they are in great hands.
What she needs to kick into high gear is her offense.
She has players 6' or taller that make themselves 5'6" when receiving passes...stay tall & make yourself even taller in the post. They receive the ball reaching below their waist allowing hands to slap the ball away.
If your 6'1"...play 6'4".
The offensive spacing is horrible....how many times do we still see players bumping into one another & simply handing the ball to a teammate rather than passing it to them.
This allows the defense a much easier time to herd the offense as opposed to spreading them out over the court and creating lanes to drive.
The offense is far too one dimensional.
Teams are simply going to say...Maredith gets double teamed, have someone else beat us.
Scranton clearly has other offensive weapons, they need to get them involved.
The incessant dribbling & standing around on offense rather than crisp passing & motion with a mindset to crash the offensive boards for second chance shots & put backs is mind boggling.
The Lady Royal "D" can hold even decent/good teams to 50 ppg however, if their offense continues to look like a pickup game at a rec. league & they can only score 40 because passes are 2 seconds late into the blocks or the wrong people are forced to take 25' jumpers because the clock is down to 3 seconds, they lose.
The Lady Royals most certainly have the talent, they need to master the basics.
Teams go zone...get your bigs moving down low & bang it in or dish to cutters...stop playing into the other teams plan & keep firing over the top.
Establish all the talent you have down low & the outside game will be there.
Too much standing around on offense...this generally happens when the ball is moved by dribbling rather than passing.
When on, this team can be scary good.
When playing like it's the first time they've ever been together this late in the season.... it's just plain scary.
Here's hoping the talent that rose to the top in last year's stretch run through the Landmark playoffs & well into the NCAA tournament finds its mojo....the talent is certainly there.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 09, 2015, 12:31:25 AM
 Noticeably more movement offensively for the Lady Royals against Juniata yesterday; still, a number of shot clock airballs; may have to go with a reasonable shot with 15 secs left on shot clock rather than waiting til under 10 secs.

Regional rankings forecast:

1. Scranton
2. Salisbury (hopefully, at least 1 of Scranton and Kelly will get the AQ so we don't have to compete for Mid/Atl spot for Pool C
3. McDaniel
4. Stevenson
5. Mary Washington
6. Catholic
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 09, 2015, 12:46:30 AM
Just a thought... McDaniel has one of the worst SOS numbers in the country: .458 = 352nd of 440. While I am not saying I disagree with third in your rankings, ronk, I wouldn't be surprised if at least Stevenson (.573 - 34th) is head of them.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 09, 2015, 01:59:23 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 09, 2015, 12:46:30 AM
Just a thought... McDaniel has one of the worst SOS numbers in the country: .458 = 352nd of 440. While I am not saying I disagree with third in your rankings, ronk, I wouldn't be surprised if at least Stevenson (.573 - 34th) is head of them.

Dave,
  I didn't have any SOS numbers for the women(unlike tomaroonand gold blog for the men's SOS) - just a scan of their non-conference opponents.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 09, 2015, 02:13:45 AM
There is a link under the news tab on the d3hoops site.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 10, 2015, 12:02:16 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 09, 2015, 02:13:45 AM
There is a link under the news tab on the d3hoops site.

Thanks for the link - I'm revising my RR forecast.
Quote from: ronk on February 09, 2015, 12:31:25 AM
Noticeably more movement offensively for the Lady Royals against Juniata yesterday; still, a number of shot clock airballs; may have to go with a reasonable shot with 15 secs left on shot clock rather than waiting til under 10 secs.

Regional rankings forecast:

1. Scranton
2. Salisbury (hopefully, at least 1 of Scranton and Kelly will get the AQ so we don't have to compete for Mid/Atl spot for Pool C
3. McDaniel
4. Stevenson
5. Mary Washington
6. Catholic

revised Regional rankings forecast:

1. Scranton
2. Salisbury (hopefully, at least 1 of Scranton and Kelly will get the AQ so we don't have to compete for Mid/Atl spot for Pool C
3. Stevenson
4. McDaniel
5. Elizabethtown
6. Catholic
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 11, 2015, 11:35:23 PM
  Congrats to Lindsay Fluehr on breaking the Lady Royals' career assist record; She also hit 3 big 3-pters to help defeat pesky Susquehanna.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 14, 2015, 08:49:59 AM
Watched quite a bit of the George Fox/Whitworth game last evening.
Biggest takeaway.....both of these teams play non-stop, in your face defense.
Another thing GF does is switch their defense up constantly.
Man on one possession, 2/3 zone on the next, half court trap on the next, press on the next & on and on it goes the entire game.
They contest virtually every shot, very few times players get open looks & when you do, you better hit them.
Whitworth was able to reverse the ball pretty quickly on some plays but it just seemed the shots were rushed & just didn't fall that often.
They also have a very skilled point who runs their offense with control.
Who knows how things will end up as we always have upsets but, George Fox appears to be a very good team & well coached.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 14, 2015, 10:56:51 AM
Quote from: saratoga on February 14, 2015, 08:49:59 AM
Watched quite a bit of the George Fox/Whitworth game last evening.
Biggest takeaway.....both of these teams play non-stop, in your face defense.
Another thing GF does is switch their defense up constantly.
Man on one possession, 2/3 zone on the next, half court trap on the next, press on the next & on and on it goes the entire game.
They contest virtually every shot, very few times players get open looks & when you do, you better hit them.
Whitworth was able to reverse the ball pretty quickly on some plays but it just seemed the shots were rushed & just didn't fall that often.
They also have a very skilled point who runs their offense with control.
Who knows how things will end up as we always have upsets but, George Fox appears to be a very good team & well coached.

  Sounds like a team that would make the Final 4.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 16, 2015, 09:52:03 PM
 This week's regional ranking prediction:


1. Salisbury
2. Scranton
3. Stevenson
4. McDaniel
5. Elizabethtown
6. Catholic

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 17, 2015, 04:07:01 AM
Ronk:
I wouldn't be surprised to see Muhlenberg takes the place of either E-town or Catholic.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 17, 2015, 10:11:19 AM
Quote from: saratoga on February 17, 2015, 04:07:01 AM
Ronk:
I wouldn't be surprised to see Muhlenberg takes the place of either E-town or Catholic.

Saratoga,
   You're right; the Mules got off to such a slow start(3-5) that I forgot about them, including beating E-town this past week.

This week's regional ranking prediction:


1. Salisbury    22-1   4-1(vrro)
2. Scranton    22-2   5-1
3. Stevenson  20-2   0-2
4. McDaniel    22-1   0-0
5. Muhlenberg  16-6  2-2
6. Catholic      16-7   3-3
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 17, 2015, 01:18:07 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 17, 2015, 04:07:01 AM
Ronk:
I wouldn't be surprised to see Muhlenberg takes the place of either E-town or Catholic.
Saratoga,

4:07 a.m.?  Were you up late or up early?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 17, 2015, 07:07:56 PM
Lefty:
The "up late" nights are but a distant memory.
Most definitely an up early day.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 19, 2015, 12:56:50 AM
  After tonite's action, the Lady Royals will host the loser of Saturday's E-town @ Susquehanna because Moravian would lose a tie-breaker with that loser. In the other semifinal, Catholic will play the winner of E-town-Susquehanna and will host if the Cards beat Scranton or E-town wins. Otherwise, Susquehanna will host.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on February 22, 2015, 04:08:15 PM
Nice game by the Lady Royals yesterday ! It's great to see Lindsay continue her super effort on O and D....However, the team needs to cut way down on the TO's if they're going to beat teams who play a FDU-esq brand of basketball.  Go Royals !
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 22, 2015, 04:32:32 PM
Quote from: sp0rtsfan on February 22, 2015, 04:08:15 PM
Nice game by the Lady Royals yesterday ! It's great to see Lindsay continue her super effort on O and D....However, the team needs to cut way down on the TO's if they're going to beat teams who play a FDU-esq brand of basketball.  Go Royals !

  Or anyone in the postseason who plays defense. The opposition will not be passive.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on February 25, 2015, 06:47:18 PM
Good luck to the Lady Royals tonight ! After what they did to Catholic on Saturday, it seems they're ready for a good play-off run....I hope they're carrying a chip on their shoulder. We already saw how it propelled FDU last year and into this season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on February 26, 2015, 11:23:24 AM
I'm anxious to make the next trip to the Electric City on Saturday and hopeful the ride home will be easier than last week. Hey, I need to make amends for getting down on the Lady Royals in a prior post. I should not have over looked their big victory over Tufts earlier in the season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 26, 2015, 03:07:06 PM
Quote from: sp0rtsfan on February 26, 2015, 11:23:24 AM
I'm anxious to make the next trip to the Electric City on Saturday and hopeful the ride home will be easier than last week. Hey, I need to make amends for getting down on the Lady Royals in a prior post. I should not have over looked their big victory over Tufts earlier in the season.

No problem; I've been critical, also, because it takes more than talent to make a run; namely, execution,improvement, and good fortune. Coach Donahue will have his team prepared. I'll be going to the men's game @ Catholic.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 28, 2015, 06:05:20 PM
Scranton vs. Catholic...
No execution, no game plan, nothing that resembled a well oiled & confident group of players.
First off, congratulations to Coach Donahue...he took a team that was blasted one week ago & totally regrouped his kids & had Scranton playing his game from the opening tip.
I have never seen a Lady Royal team in the last 25 years look so unprepared, lost & unable to bring the game back to their strengths.
If the Scranton job truly does open up, i would hope Coach Donahue would have an interest.
Creating a 30 point turnaround in 1 week is no easy task & he pulled it off flawlessly.
The Lady Royals played tight from the tip & had no answer or adjustments that mattered the entire game.
This team should be riding the home court wave for at least the first round but an absolutely horrible game may have cost them dearly should they even survive the initial weekend.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 28, 2015, 11:53:32 PM
 With the override that I didn't see the game since I went to the men's game, I had privately counseled that the Lady Royals' 3-pt shooting wasn't going to be as bad as 2-22 @ Catholic or as good as 12-23 @ Scranton, that the outcome was going to depend on other things, and that Coach Donahue was going to make things very tough defensively. Still, I was surprised to see the disparity in rebounding(-14) and TOs(+11). Hopefully, they'll learn in a hurry(or remember the 2nd half of the Montclair NCAA game last season)  that postseason is a different animal, that the opposition is not going to let u beat them with your strengths, etc. They have the talent to make it through the regional, but execution will decide thereafter. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on March 02, 2015, 09:42:22 AM
Quote from: saratoga on February 28, 2015, 06:05:20 PM
Scranton vs. Catholic...
No execution, no game plan, nothing that resembled a well oiled & confident group of players.
First off, congratulations to Coach Donahue...he took a team that was blasted one week ago & totally regrouped his kids & had Scranton playing his game from the opening tip.
I have never seen a Lady Royal team in the last 25 years look so unprepared, lost & unable to bring the game back to their strengths.
If the Scranton job truly does open up, i would hope Coach Donahue would have an interest.
Creating a 30 point turnaround in 1 week is no easy task & he pulled it off flawlessly.
The Lady Royals played tight from the tip & had no answer or adjustments that mattered the entire game.
This team should be riding the home court wave for at least the first round but an absolutely horrible game may have cost them dearly should they even survive the initial weekend.



Uggh ! This loss was a surprising disappointment for the Lady Royals and their fans. True, there's lots of good points made here about why they lost , however, I'm not sure lack of preparation had anything to do with missing 2 easy uncontested layups in the opening minutes of the game and zero scoring production from the 2 guard position. I'm also concerned about how Catholic's speedy guard, DeSantis, blew into the lane so many times.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 16, 2015, 10:53:08 PM
As we all know by now, the Lady Royal's then followed up that disaster vs. Catholic with an even more lackluster effort in the NCAA first round for a rather uncerimonious quick exit at home.
Truly a team that had the talent to go much further than one & done.
They simply never improved offensively as a team (far too much expected from 1 or 2 players), never developed their inside game with any degree of consistency & refused to make defensive adjustments when guards started blowing past our guards for one easy layup after another.
With all the big leads they had against certain teams, they never worked on their zone D, press or any other variation of defensive sets in real time against real competition.
However, all that may change as the position for Head Coach has now been posted.
Here's hoping a ton of excellent & qualified coaches, that are willing to recruit nationally, are brushing up their resumes for the chance to lead this university & team back to the greatness we've all come to expect.
The announcement should be in the next several weeks so that the new coach can meet & greet the current players, meet the press & continue recruiting.
All the best to the selection committee.....may we bring in the absolute best coach out there.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 17, 2015, 09:49:11 AM
Quote from: saratoga on March 16, 2015, 10:53:08 PM
As we all know by now, the Lady Royal's then followed up that disaster vs. Catholic with an even more lackluster effort in the NCAA first round for a rather uncerimonious quick exit at home.
Truly a team that had the talent to go much further than one & done.
They simply never improved offensively as a team (far too much expected from 1 or 2 players), never developed their inside game with any degree of consistency & refused to make defensive adjustments when guards started blowing past our guards for one easy layup after another.
With all the big leads they had against certain teams, they never worked on their zone D, press or any other variation of defensive sets in real time against real competition.
However, all that may change as the position for Head Coach has now been posted.
Here's hoping a ton of excellent & qualified coaches, that are willing to recruit nationally, are brushing up their resumes for the chance to lead this university & team back to the greatness we've all come to expect.
The announcement should be in the next several weeks so that the new coach can meet & greet the current players, meet the press & continue recruiting.
All the best to the selection committee.....may we bring in the absolute best coach out there.

Do you have a master's degree? I think we've satisfied the 3 years of intercollegiate "coaching" requirement. ::)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 17, 2015, 12:45:31 PM
Ronk:
With all your AAU contacts, this may be the time for your return to the Electric City!  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 17, 2015, 02:28:23 PM
What about some current alumni coaches who have had recent success?

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 17, 2015, 08:39:26 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 17, 2015, 02:28:23 PM
What about some current alumni coaches who have had recent success?

Well, there's the current interim coach who would need to decide if the fulltime position appeals to her, Kate P(Cabrini), who I speculate wouldn't want to leave suburban Philly families and her current situation, and Kelly Lewandowski(Salisbury), who's more flexible and loses her best players to graduation this year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 18, 2015, 07:44:58 AM
Quote from: ronk on March 17, 2015, 08:39:26 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 17, 2015, 02:28:23 PM
What about some current alumni coaches who have had recent success?

Well, there's the current interim coach who would need to decide if the fulltime position appeals to her, Kate P(Cabrini), who I speculate wouldn't want to leave suburban Philly families and her current situation, and Kelly Lewandowski(Salisbury), who's more flexible and loses her best players to graduation this year.

That interim screams "placeholder" to me.  I think if they were going to consider her, they'd've done it before posting the position.  I can't imagine they'll follow a long tenured coach with one in her fifties.

Pearson makes the most sense to me, but I'm not sure she's up for leaving.  As for Lewandowski, they did well this year, but the super talented senior class were not her recruits, and I don't know that they have world beaters behind them - besides, Salisbury isn't a bad situation to be in these days.

I've been hearing a lot of people itching to move.  I'd guess they get 300 resumes and 60 serious candidates.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 18, 2015, 09:48:13 AM
What about the current Men's assistant pulling a Strong and moving over to coach the Women?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 18, 2015, 12:39:45 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 18, 2015, 07:44:58 AM
Quote from: ronk on March 17, 2015, 08:39:26 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 17, 2015, 02:28:23 PM
What about some current alumni coaches who have had recent success?

Well, there's the current interim coach who would need to decide if the fulltime position appeals to her, Kate P(Cabrini), who I speculate wouldn't want to leave suburban Philly families and her current situation, and Kelly Lewandowski(Salisbury), who's more flexible and loses her best players to graduation this year.

That interim screams "placeholder" to me.  I think if they were going to consider her, they'd've done it before posting the position.  I can't imagine they'll follow a long tenured coach with one in her fifties.

Pearson makes the most sense to me, but I'm not sure she's up for leaving.  As for Lewandowski, they did well this year, but the super talented senior class were not her recruits, and I don't know that they have world beaters behind them - besides, Salisbury isn't a bad situation to be in these days.

I've been hearing a lot of people itching to move.  I'd guess they get 300 resumes and 60 serious candidates.

There are other factors in play... not necessarily Scranton's. I am not at liberty to say, but trust me when I saw it isn't as cut and dry as having Scranton change the title.

BTW - from what I gathered, Goucher had about 100 applications for it's job in two weeks. To be honest... 300 resumes is a bit of a stretch for a lot of jobs including Scranton's. That would be an assistant or head coach from 65% of all Division III institutions, as an example.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 18, 2015, 12:49:51 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 18, 2015, 12:39:45 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 18, 2015, 07:44:58 AM
Quote from: ronk on March 17, 2015, 08:39:26 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 17, 2015, 02:28:23 PM
What about some current alumni coaches who have had recent success?

Well, there's the current interim coach who would need to decide if the fulltime position appeals to her, Kate P(Cabrini), who I speculate wouldn't want to leave suburban Philly families and her current situation, and Kelly Lewandowski(Salisbury), who's more flexible and loses her best players to graduation this year.

That interim screams "placeholder" to me.  I think if they were going to consider her, they'd've done it before posting the position.  I can't imagine they'll follow a long tenured coach with one in her fifties.

Pearson makes the most sense to me, but I'm not sure she's up for leaving.  As for Lewandowski, they did well this year, but the super talented senior class were not her recruits, and I don't know that they have world beaters behind them - besides, Salisbury isn't a bad situation to be in these days.

I've been hearing a lot of people itching to move.  I'd guess they get 300 resumes and 60 serious candidates.

There are other factors in play... not necessarily Scranton's. I am not at liberty to say, but trust me when I saw it isn't as cut and dry as having Scranton change the title.

BTW - from what I gathered, Goucher had about 100 applications for it's job in two weeks. To be honest... 300 resumes is a bit of a stretch for a lot of jobs including Scranton's. That would be an assistant or head coach from 65% of all Division III institutions, as an example.

  That probably reflects the unwillingness to deal with the pressure of D3hoops watching your every move from 40 feet away. ::)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on March 18, 2015, 04:03:12 PM
Add one following this "incredible" discussion!  Suppose we could all write a book  :o!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 18, 2015, 06:31:37 PM
D-mac:
I've got to admit, I have no idea what your cryptic first sentence is even referring to.
The Royals let you in on things that you can't divulge these days?
If Goucher received 100 applications in 2 weeks for that job, why would approx. 300 resumes heading to Scranton be a stretch?
Between Head Coaches looking to upgrade and various assistants looking for a great first stop, I think something in that range is absolutely possible.
I agree with Hoops Fan, based upon the sample size of what was accomplished this season, I would suggest Scranton will not renew the contract of the interim coach.
There are many outstanding young coaches out there...time to bring the best of the best in.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 18, 2015, 08:13:45 PM
Quote from: kate on March 18, 2015, 04:03:12 PM
Add one following this "incredible" discussion!  Suppose we could all write a book  :o!

Kate,
  Hard to believe it's been 4 seasons since we were together at the Gwynedd-Mercy tipoff tourney and your Aggies with Brenda Coll defeated the Lady Royals; this was also 6 weeks before Meredith Mesaris would arrive for the 2nd semester and a noteworthy career.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 18, 2015, 08:21:35 PM
 Since it's been 45 years since Scranton last named a bball head coach, I'll mention that the Jesuit announcement protocol resembles the Papal's - white smoke, they've made a decision. However, if it's black smoke with a sulphur odor, that means wind blowing over the Taylor culm dumps. ::)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: bill on March 18, 2015, 09:48:50 PM
Quote from: saratoga on March 18, 2015, 06:31:37 PM
, I would suggest Scranton will not renew the contract of the interim coach.
There are many outstanding young coaches out there...time to bring the best of the best in.

Contract? Wow, you guys are way ahead of us. We work on yearly appointments, and can be fired at any time! No contracts at FDU....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 18, 2015, 09:57:03 PM
Quote from: saratoga on March 18, 2015, 06:31:37 PM
D-mac:
I've got to admit, I have no idea what your cryptic first sentence is even referring to.
The Royals let you in on things that you can't divulge these days?
If Goucher received 100 applications in 2 weeks for that job, why would approx. 300 resumes heading to Scranton be a stretch?
Between Head Coaches looking to upgrade and various assistants looking for a great first stop, I think something in that range is absolutely possible.
I agree with Hoops Fan, based upon the sample size of what was accomplished this season, I would suggest Scranton will not renew the contract of the interim coach.
There are many outstanding young coaches out there...time to bring the best of the best in.

I generally hear about 200 resumes for a prime coaching job.

I would just say that following the legend is a tough job, and I would cut Klingman a bit of slack for this year. I mean, a first-round exit isn't great but 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013 under Strong were no better.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 18, 2015, 10:41:31 PM
Beyond getting to the Elite 8 last season, Scranton, as you've noted, struggled the previous 4 years...even in the Landmark.
That's a very big reason many fans were getting restless with the Legend.
The talent of years past was simply not coming as one recruit after another was lost.
The old adage when Scranton played in the MAC Freedom was the 2 best teams in the league were the Lady Royal starters and their subs.
This is a golden opportunity for a young coach that knows both their x's & o's and is all in regarding the recruiting trail.....wherever that may lead.
Great school, great facilities, great reputation, nice nucleus returning....a program that deserves the energy and passion of a proven young coach.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 18, 2015, 11:07:18 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 18, 2015, 12:39:45 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 18, 2015, 07:44:58 AM
Quote from: ronk on March 17, 2015, 08:39:26 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 17, 2015, 02:28:23 PM
What about some current alumni coaches who have had recent success?

Well, there's the current interim coach who would need to decide if the fulltime position appeals to her, Kate P(Cabrini), who I speculate wouldn't want to leave suburban Philly families and her current situation, and Kelly Lewandowski(Salisbury), who's more flexible and loses her best players to graduation this year.

That interim screams "placeholder" to me.  I think if they were going to consider her, they'd've done it before posting the position.  I can't imagine they'll follow a long tenured coach with one in her fifties.

Pearson makes the most sense to me, but I'm not sure she's up for leaving.  As for Lewandowski, they did well this year, but the super talented senior class were not her recruits, and I don't know that they have world beaters behind them - besides, Salisbury isn't a bad situation to be in these days.

I've been hearing a lot of people itching to move.  I'd guess they get 300 resumes and 60 serious candidates.

There are other factors in play... not necessarily Scranton's. I am not at liberty to say, but trust me when I saw it isn't as cut and dry as having Scranton change the title.

BTW - from what I gathered, Goucher had about 100 applications for it's job in two weeks. To be honest... 300 resumes is a bit of a stretch for a lot of jobs including Scranton's. That would be an assistant or head coach from 65% of all Division III institutions, as an example.

That's why I said 60 serious candidates.  You know a bunch of people with no shot at the job will send resumes just because they want out of their current job.  You'll get HS coaches and AAU coaches and whatever.  I'm sure more than half of those 100 at Goucher were likely discarded pretty quickly.  Scranton's a pretty high profile job - they'll have plenty of interest.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on March 19, 2015, 08:37:40 AM
Saratoga, I swear, if i didn't know better, I'd say you were a "plant" to rev up off-season (for you anyway) chat on D3.  Talk about illusions of grandeur.  Honest to Pete, if I was a young coach, I'd be half afraid to come to Scranton, not the school or the students, but fans like you who make every game a do or die situation!  I, for one, was 100% proud of four of our precious graduating seniors who played in the MAC all-star game this past Sunday - great players, all, but most importantly, all friends, with their Coach Hogan there to see & cheer them on in their final court appearance.  For this old fan - THAT's what it's All About!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 19, 2015, 09:54:48 AM
Quote from: saratoga on March 18, 2015, 10:41:31 PM
Beyond getting to the Elite 8 last season, Scranton, as you've noted, struggled the previous 4 years...even in the Landmark.
That's a very big reason many fans were getting restless with the Legend.
The talent of years past was simply not coming as one recruit after another was lost.
The old adage when Scranton played in the MAC Freedom was the 2 best teams in the league were the Lady Royal starters and their subs.
This is a golden opportunity for a young coach that knows both their x's & o's and is all in regarding the recruiting trail.....wherever that may lead.
Great school, great facilities, great reputation, nice nucleus returning....a program that deserves the energy and passion of a proven young coach.

Great Facilities? What am I missing?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 19, 2015, 11:05:33 PM
kate, Kate, Kate:
How perfectly disingenuous of you to infer you are immune to the sting of defeat.
My God, I had to organize a search party for you in Dec. when you left this board (or at least the one DVC belongs to), for approx. 3 weeks after your beloved Aggies started yet another year off in slow motion.

As for the Scranton position.....
The timid need not apply.

The reality of the situation is that some teams are perfectly comfortable playing .500 ball.
For many of these schools, making it to their league playoffs once every 5 years is a monumental achievement.
If their administration is ok with that, and the kids are going to class, earning degrees, having fun and being good citizens then, good for them.

At other colleges and university's, expectations run a little higher.
These schools turn out outstanding students as well.
Most become friends for life, they are exceptionally focused & driven, they're good citizens as well and they move into their chosen fields of study after graduation with a confidence that success on the court or field has nurtured and developed.

If a coach does not have an inert passion for the game, the players will sense that and they'll play to the level of comfort allowed.
At some schools, the bar is set higher and the expectations, regardless of overall talent level, is never lowered or compromised.
What works at one school may never work at another for a variety of reasons.

However, one item always remains constant.
Good coaching will trump good talent 9 times out of 10.
That's why I, and many others, hope the UofS has put together a great search committee that will bring in someone that knows the game and has the passion and energy for coaching and recruiting.

If those few things are in place, lessons will be learned, the game will be taught correctly, teamwork will be developed, the kids will grow into even better adults and the wins will take care of them-self.

Should a coach be afraid to establish that standard, then they belong at the school's that are happy with .500 records.

Nobody wins all the time & no one expects anyone to be in that position all the time.
What you should expect is that your team is organized, passionate and prepared.
If you've got that going, you're already ahead of much of the competition.....especially those that continually lower the bar.
As for me, I'll take playing in March over a season essentially over in Jan. any day.....and I'd want my coach to establish the work ethic necessary so that opportunity is on the table year in & year out.

Scranton will have strong candidates for the position...they'll know the tradition & the expectations and they'll want that challenge.
Coach's satisfied with .500 seasons will be looking elsewhere....and, that's ok.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on March 20, 2015, 08:19:03 AM
Misericordia has prepared you well, Saratoga, in the art of answering people like me!  After my second cup of coffee, I'll attempt to answer you, but just want to tell you that I did kind of enjoy your responses to my points, not agree, just enjoy!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on March 20, 2015, 09:58:59 AM
Saratoga, you are one tremendous Scranton fan.  As much as I love Del Val, I've never done any recruiting for them, tho I wear my Aggie garb often enough, but perhaps I should be in the trenches, scouting H.S. talent and in general talking up the program.  My other old lady friends, however are tired of hearing me extol the virtues of the team complete with endless pictures of said team :).  Certainly with the meteoric rise of FDU I see what you mean about coaching.  Can't even recall the coach before Coach Mitchell.  I sincerely hope that Scranton finds a great one, and that any of us in the MAC, including the Aggies, beat the daylights out of you  ;), after this new coach has their bearings.  The only "good" thing in my opinion about not having you guys with us, is that it makes it oh so much easier to root against you.  Glad you had the opportunity to express your feelings about Scranton, their coaching and team philosophies.  Yes, we both live for November, actually July for schedules and October for rosters, though I'm sure you're privy to that info sooner.  Would actually like to sit and discuss our love of D3 sports some day.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on March 20, 2015, 12:48:01 PM
Last post - promise, but if Anyone out there in our d3 world saw Lauren Hill on the View this morning, THAT puts it all in perfect perspective.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 20, 2015, 01:06:27 PM
Quote from: kate on March 20, 2015, 12:48:01 PM
Last post - promise, but if Anyone out there in our d3 world saw Lauren Hill on the View this morning, THAT puts it all in perfect perspective.

Don't stop posting. Keep it up! I didn't see the video, but can only imagine.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 20, 2015, 02:18:03 PM
Quote from: kate on March 20, 2015, 12:48:01 PM
Last post - promise, but if Anyone out there in our d3 world saw Lauren Hill on the View this morning, THAT puts it all in perfect perspective.

I saw her,stlill battling.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 29, 2015, 10:07:12 PM
I was looking at the job posting for the UofS job, why are they requiring a Masters  degree. Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 29, 2015, 10:22:23 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 29, 2015, 10:07:12 PM
I was looking at the job posting for the UofS job, why are they requiring a Masters  degree. Any thoughts?

  Have to be able to explain the why of techniques and strategies to the intellectuals? ::)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 01, 2015, 04:51:25 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 29, 2015, 10:07:12 PM
I was looking at the job posting for the UofS job, why are they requiring a Masters  degree. Any thoughts?

Most coaching positions require them because there is some teaching involved and it's tough to get a Bachelor's degree past the accreditation committee without seriously unusual circumstances.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 09, 2015, 05:22:54 PM
Goucher announced it's new coach: bit.ly/1cf8NIS (http://bit.ly/1cf8NIS)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 09, 2015, 06:24:08 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 09, 2015, 05:22:54 PM
Goucher announced it's new coach: bit.ly/1cf8NIS (http://bit.ly/1cf8NIS)

And now there's only 1 Landmark bball head coach opening.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 10, 2015, 10:37:41 PM
Or, so we thought/hoped/wished.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 11, 2015, 10:09:46 AM
Quote from: saratoga on April 10, 2015, 10:37:41 PM
Or, so we thought/hoped/wished.

I'm not following...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 14, 2015, 11:46:30 PM
 More Landmark change: Etown HC(2013-14) and co-HC(2015)Sherri Gorman will not be returning in order to devote time to the family business, according to a source; co-HC Nolt will be interim HC as Etown replaces AD this year, causing HC choice to be deferred for another year. I thought Coach Gorman did a very good job this year and they have a lot of playing time returning next year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 29, 2015, 01:20:27 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 09, 2015, 05:22:54 PM
Goucher announced it's new coach: bit.ly/1cf8NIS (http://bit.ly/1cf8NIS)

Coach Daniel "officially" starts @ Goucher 1 August. So, Dave, when I run into Coach Daniel at the AAU tourneys in July, who is he representing - Pitt-Bradford or Goucher? How does that work?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 29, 2015, 01:40:11 PM
I'm sure it means he's just not getting paid. Are they both 10-month positions? Because I saw Tom Rose officially starts Aug. 1 as well.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 01, 2015, 05:26:43 PM
Yeah - starting Aug. 1, but that doesn't mean coaches don't work at their new locations before their official start dates.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 07, 2015, 09:53:18 PM
 Scranton assistant Sheila Cook named Head Coach(Alvernia) today; now missing 3 of 4 basketball coaching positions; last one - turn out the lights.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 09, 2015, 09:54:01 PM
Old Toby is just biding his time.
In his mind he's got till Oct. to fill the positions.
The fact that some college seniors that had been recruited might like to know whom their coach might be is inconsequential.
One can only hope that this ridiculous delay in naming the new women's head coach is because they are just working out the contractual language and second interviews for a select few have just been completed.
If they delay this long & then name the interim coach as the "new" head coach, then they are even more clueless than most people think.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 12, 2015, 10:14:51 PM
There are now 3 days left to the semester plus finals next week.
Will the new coach be given the courtesy & opportunity to meet the returning players?
The season has been over since early March & rather than get their act together earlier, have the interviews through late March & early April, name the coach, let he or she meet the players, the media & work on securing an assistant coach, they wait until the last possible moment to make the call.
How predictably chaotic & disorganized.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 21, 2015, 12:27:35 PM
Well, one half of the equation is complete.
DK will not be back as head coach of the Lady Royals.
She's just accepted the girl's varsity b-ball head coaching job at Abington Heights HS just outside of Scranton. A very good school with a great tradition.
Certainly wish her well.
Hopefully, the new coach at Scranton can now be named.
I don't think Duke will take this long to name the successor to Coach K!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 21, 2015, 12:56:20 PM
I posted this earlier... IN THE WRONG BOARD! Sorry about that:

Scranton will be hiring a new coach... someday. Klingsman has accepted a high school coaching job: http://thetimes-tribune.com/sports/klingman-leaves-uofs-for-abington-heights-girls-job-1.1885441 (http://thetimes-tribune.com/sports/klingman-leaves-uofs-for-abington-heights-girls-job-1.1885441). Behind the scenes sounds like this was a mess... but who knows at this point.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 21, 2015, 03:49:35 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 21, 2015, 12:56:20 PM
I posted this earlier... IN THE WRONG BOARD! Sorry about that:

Scranton will be hiring a new coach... someday. Klingsman has accepted a high school coaching job: http://thetimes-tribune.com/sports/klingman-leaves-uofs-for-abington-heights-girls-job-1.1885441 (http://thetimes-tribune.com/sports/klingman-leaves-uofs-for-abington-heights-girls-job-1.1885441). Behind the scenes sounds like this was a mess... but who knows at this point.

I wonder what "internal restructuring at the University" is going on; hopefully, the unsuccessful effort yesterday to contact the AD will become successful today.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 21, 2015, 11:05:46 PM

Dave:
Why not get a start on the 2015/16 edition of Hoopsville & bug Toby day & night to explain why the process is taking this long.
Truly a study of how to run a dysfunctional system.
Now the story is about who didn't get the job rather than who is.
Take your time, the recruits are already lost for this year....and I'm sure the new coach is very impressed with your decisiveness.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 22, 2015, 12:06:24 PM
I would if I cared... I have already seen several dysfunctional job searches across the country this year (don't ask me to name them)... so I am at the point of just rolling my eyes. It is their bed to lie in... but it will be something we will certainly discuss next year or the year after if the residual affects are clear.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 22, 2015, 01:44:37 PM
Not a surprise here. Merchant Marine heading back to the Skyline Conference: http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2015/05/merchant-marine-returns-skyline-conference (http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2015/05/merchant-marine-returns-skyline-conference)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on May 22, 2015, 02:46:17 PM
One of the biggest reason to join or leave a league I would imagine, would be distances travelled.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 22, 2015, 06:50:07 PM
I believe I heard MMA were the most vocal about playing back to back games when the league first started, then they complained about Sunday  games then games had to start by a certain time etc. etc.
Maybe they'll actually win a championship in the neighborhood league.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 22, 2015, 08:10:40 PM
Talk about indecisive....make up your mind MMA.


Does the Landmark target a replacement school? St.Johns?  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 22, 2015, 11:09:58 PM
MMA took their row boats & went home.
St. John's?
There once was a time.
Now perhaps it would be St. John's.....of Maryland.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 25, 2015, 05:24:54 PM
From Sinatra's September Song:

Oh, it's a long, long time from May to December
But the days grow short when you reach September
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 25, 2015, 07:26:12 PM
That song must be playing inside the head of the Scranton AD.
Hopefully, he'll pull the trigger on naming a head coach by September.
Could the new Coach be coming from the East via the Atlantic?  :-X
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 25, 2015, 10:00:02 PM
Quote from: saratoga on May 25, 2015, 07:26:12 PM
That song must be playing inside the head of the Scranton AD.
Hopefully, he'll pull the trigger on naming a head coach by September.
Could the new Coach be coming from the East via the Atlantic?  :-X

At 1st run, I can't come up with anyone who satisfies your parameters in whom I'd be interested.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 30, 2015, 07:14:58 PM
Spent some time at a girls' high school AAU tourney today @ Goucher; introduced myself to Goucher's new HC WBB; met former Royals' men's cager Bryant Thornwell(#25-career points, #8-career rebounds) whose daughter was playing; Bryant played between the 2 Royals men's NCAA champions('76,'83) and was a high school teammate of Thurl Bailey, a starter on Jimmy Valvano's NC St NCAA champions. He had been introduced to Scranton by his school vice-principal, Frank Murphy, who was my college classmate, a Royals' bball supporter, and sadly, passed away earlier this year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 30, 2015, 10:22:07 PM
Nice to hear Bryant's daughter is following in his footsteps.
"Tree", was certainly an unmovable force in the post during his tenure.
It would be great if his daughter chose Scranton upon graduation and continued her basketball days as a Lady Royal.
Actually, it would be even nicer if Scranton names a coach by then.
I think the BIG secrect has been out about 2 weeks now...can we stop the charade and just make this official?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals81 on June 01, 2015, 06:34:05 PM
Saratoga,

At this point I know more about who wasn't selected as Scranton's new WBB head coach than I do about who ultimately will be named.
Is the "internal restructuring" within the University's Athletic Dept the main reason for the delay in naming a head coach?

One would think that almost 3 months after the Lady Royals season ended, a "non-interim" successor to Coach Strong would have been selected and announced.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 01, 2015, 07:05:46 PM
Quote from: Royals81 on June 01, 2015, 06:34:05 PM
Saratoga,

At this point I know more about who wasn't selected as Scranton's new WBB head coach than I do about who ultimately will be named.
Is the "internal restructuring" within the University's Athletic Dept the main reason for the delay in naming a head coach?

One would think that almost 3 months after the Lady Royals season ended, a "non-interim" successor to Coach Strong would have been selected and announced.

From your handle, would you be a former Lady Royals' cager, class of '81? If so, I occasionally see/talk with Karen Montgomery Hicks('80) on the AAU circuit. The AD said "we're on the right path" 3 weeks ago but it's beginning to resemble the long and winding road. ::)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals81 on June 01, 2015, 09:24:59 PM
Ronk,

No - not a former player - just an active alumni and follower/supporter of both the Royals and Lady Royals since 1976.  I never felt the need to post on D3Boards until yesterday.  The delay in the selection of the new Lady Royals coach negatively impacts both the program and the returning players - not to mention any potential recruits.  I hope there's a plan and an announcement soon.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on June 01, 2015, 09:57:40 PM
Royals81:
Welcome.
You are absolutely correct...the longer this goes on, the more ridiculous this entire administration and department looks.
I don't care if they're "restructuring" the President's office, the Board of Trustees or the athletic department...someone needs to be in charge and make decisions that are in the best interest of the university in general and the student/athletes in particular.
Thus far, not too many folks have earned their paycheck.
The delay in naming the new coach has cost the university one entire year in recruiting & comes at a time when there isn't any real depth to the team  that returns.
Division I schools conduct their interviews as soon as the tournament is over, name their coach & get them right out on the recruiting & alumni trail.
This delay by the Scranton athletic department in naming their women's coach is an embarrassment to the university & a callous disregard to each and every player that has and still may want to play for the Lady Royals.
This entire process, instead of creating something really special as the replacement for a legend should have been, has instead been turned into a botched exercise in Ineptness 101.
If there is, in fact, a restructuring of the department...I think I know just where I might start.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on June 03, 2015, 10:09:47 PM
Well, Lady Royal fans & casual observers....the coach we all thought was heading to Scranton must have got tired waiting for fearless leader to make it happen.
Nate Davis, formerly of Eastern College & rumored to be the next coach of the Lady Royals is moving on to Gettysburg College.
Back to the drawing board for our AD.
We now know one coach not getting it, one coach not waiting any longer and as we move further into June, nothing else.
What a way to run a department.
All I can say is we better not end up with another Bucknellian coaching here.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 03, 2015, 11:08:56 PM
 Gettsburg had "a large and outstanding candidate pool" before selecting Nate Davis. Wondering if Scranton's pool is comparable?  We may find out if selection takes much longer.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 04, 2015, 11:16:24 AM
Per the Scranton web site...




The University is currently in the process of hiring a new coach.

For more information, please feel free to contact the athletics department at athletics@scranton.edu.
;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 04, 2015, 01:43:21 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on June 04, 2015, 11:16:24 AM
Per the Scranton web site...




The University is currently in the process of hiring a new coach.

For more information, please feel free to contact the athletics department at athletics@scranton.edu.
;D

That sounds like they are re-opening the search and aren't satisfied with the current pool.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 04, 2015, 03:51:43 PM
Considering the two top contenders didn't take the job and didn't want to keep waiting for a decision... no surprise Scranton may be thinking about starting over. From several sources, this has been a cluster of a process with too many "voices" making things difficult (it seems). Scranton is in real trouble, to be honest.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on June 04, 2015, 06:55:01 PM
Press Release from UofS 6:25 pm:

Toby Lovecchio, current athletic director at the University of Scranton, has announced the hiring of former UConn Women's Head Coach, Geno Auriemma as the next head coach of the Lady Royals.

Said Lovecchio, "We are all fully aware of our fan base and the frustration they've felt over the past 3 months as we've reviewed one tremendous resume after another and interviewed dozens of quality coaches.

However, once Geno made the call to me and stated his interest, we knew we had the candidate of a lifetime.

"Coach simply impressed everyone on our 36 person committee, and once we received permission to share our thoughts with our president, we then only had to wait for an audience with the Pope.
I can now proudly announce that meeting has taken place in Geneva, and although I wasn't invited, I have received permission to make this announcement.

Lovecchio further added, "Obviously, one of the largest obstacles to overcome was salary & compensation to UConn.
Our staff did a remarkable job working out the details and although I can not, at this time, divulge his actual base salary, let me tell you it's a really, really lot of money".

It was further pointed out that a date & time of the actual press conference with Auriemma attending has not yet been determined.
Lovecchio added that unlike the selection process, meeting the greatest coach of women's basketball "will be sooner rather than later, unless I'm told differently".

Lovecchio read a brief prepared statement from Coach Auriemma which stated, "I realized after this last National Championship that I had nothing left to prove in this cess pool that is Division I athletics.

Therefore, when I saw this position open up, I said, why the f<#% not.
Hey, I'm a Pa. guy, I know Mike did a hell of a job down there for years plus, I'll be closer to family & Talluto's restaurant in Norristown.

No more being bridesmaids, the time to start throwing the damn bouquet starts now".

Lovecchio stated Auriemma will have his own plane & the job announcement for personal pilots will be posted shortly.

In closing, Lovecchio added, I hope all our fans will finally take notice at the fantastic job I've just done. Let's see G-Burg top this".


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 04, 2015, 08:29:15 PM
 And Muffet McGraw will be the female associate head coach? ;)

Worthy of submission to Scranton's literary magazine, Saratoga.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 04, 2015, 08:49:42 PM
I was going to go with Coach Strong or Bessior coming out of retirement, but I like Saratoga's take better.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals81 on June 04, 2015, 10:00:47 PM
Saratoga,

Are you sure the announcement won't be to introduce "Lady Royals interim head coach Geno Auriemma"?
After all, he may need a year to prove himself on the DIII level.

Quick comparison of the two head coaching searches:

Gettysburg - longtime coach resigns 4/2/2015 - successor named 6/3/2015 - total search to hire = 63 days
Scranton - longtime coach resigns 9/17/2014 - successor still to be named - total search to hire = 260 days and counting

Even if we give Scranton's AD the benefit of the doubt and start the clock when the Lady Royal's 2014-2015 season ended on 3/6/2015, the total search to hire period is still 90 days and counting.

Replacing Coach Klingman's interim coaching record of 24-4 and cumulative team GPA of 3.53 seems light years away right now.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on June 05, 2015, 04:02:59 PM
Ya'll crack me up....The white smoke will rise soon enough from the Long Center...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on June 05, 2015, 09:37:13 PM
Andrea Mitchell...AP (Scranton, Pa.)

As part of the "compensation package" the University of Scranton agreed to in the hiring away of Geno Auriemma from the University of Connecticut, Scranton men's basketball coach Carl Danzig, has been sent to the Huskies along with an undetermined amount of coins.

It's been reported that UConn mens basketball coach Kevin Ollie has created a new International recruiting outreach program for Danzig.

Reportedly, he will be in charge of recruiting efforts in Bosnia, Turkey & possibly Yemen.

At press time he (Danzig), was being briefed on previous "outreach" programs in those areas by Seal Team VI.

Please check back later for additional updates on this remarkable turn of events.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 08, 2015, 11:29:58 AM
Here is the morning line on Scranton's HC search:


Bob Bessoir (5 to 1) : The former Scranton legend is willing to listen with the caveat he will only coach home games, as medical conditions preclude him from travel.  He has done it all on the Men's side and wants to bring the Rock N Royals style to the Women's game.

Gerry Mcnamarra ( 10 to 1) : Willing to return to Scranton and rekindle some of the magic where he captivated the region during cuse's tourny runs

Geno Auriemma (1000 to 1)

The Field ( even)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on June 08, 2015, 05:52:10 PM
NEPAFAN: I ask this in all seriousness. Have you considered that the long-lost College of Charleston transfer -- he who never could find Rickrode's office at Wilkes a number of seasons ago -- just might be lurking still in the Coal Regions? Reliable rumors have it that he now desires to coach women's teams -- he's grown weary of working at fast-food emporiums that don't sponsor basketball teams -- and truly wouldn't mind stepping into the apparent quagmire at Scranton. He just might be worthy of a look-see ....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on June 10, 2015, 10:21:59 PM
Warren,
Scranton will get through this mess (self-inflicted), just as LVC got through theirs (self-inflicted),.....kids are resilient.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 11, 2015, 09:19:53 AM
Quote from: saratoga on June 10, 2015, 10:21:59 PM
Warren,
Scranton will get through this mess (self-inflicted), just as LVC got through theirs (self-inflicted),.....kids are resilient.

And will the LVC infliction be the Scranton resolution? ;) In the absence of inside info, I wouldn't be surprised.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on June 11, 2015, 09:38:21 AM
Coincidentally I just posted a story about the 1985 Royals and Deanna Kyle (now Klingman) as part of our series on women's basketball "triple crown" winners. I spoke with Deanna in early May when she was a candidate for the full-time head coaching position. We didn't talk much about the search but, since it's a topic on this board, I wanted to clarify the timing for our interview.

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2015/05/klingman-first-to-elite-feat
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on June 11, 2015, 10:26:34 AM
Ronk, please explain your comments.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 11, 2015, 11:40:27 AM
Quote from: saratoga on June 10, 2015, 10:21:59 PM
Warren,
Scranton will get through this mess (self-inflicted), just as LVC got through theirs (self-inflicted),.....kids are resilient.

LVC did have a good year at 21-9, but missed the NCAA tournament for the second time in eight seasons. They have also apparently lost one of their best young talents inside because she was not thrilled with being there and is transfering (I think it's Kaitlyn Van Tash, but I am positive - I know it's an inside presence and I think she was a FR last year).

I would say LVC may struggle here. Scranton... is definitely going to struggle. Shocked they don't have a coach in place, yet. And I would say most times, especially in Division III, the struggle doesn't happen in the first year after... but the second and on. It's the recruiting and the younger players that are more affected than the veterans.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on June 11, 2015, 12:07:44 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 11, 2015, 11:40:27 AM
Quote from: saratoga on June 10, 2015, 10:21:59 PM
Warren,
Scranton will get through this mess (self-inflicted), just as LVC got through theirs (self-inflicted),.....kids are resilient.

LVC did have a good year at 21-9, but missed the NCAA tournament for the second time in eight seasons. They have also apparently lost one of their best young talents inside because she was not thrilled with being there and is transfering (I think it's Kaitlyn Van Tash, but I am positive - I know it's an inside presence and I think she was a FR last year).

I would say LVC may struggle here. Scranton... is definitely going to struggle. Shocked they don't have a coach in place, yet. And I would say most times, especially in Division III, the struggle doesn't happen in the first year after... but the second and on. It's the recruiting and the younger players that are more affected than the veterans.

There's a good deal of damaging high jingo in Annville these days, athletic and otherwise. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 11, 2015, 02:04:53 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on June 11, 2015, 10:26:34 AM
Ronk, please explain your comments.

That the LVC non-rehire would be an excellent choice to become the Scranton hire, IF there wasn't some compelling unknown(to the public) reason for not being rehired, in the 1st place.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 11, 2015, 06:05:07 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on June 11, 2015, 09:38:21 AM
Coincidentally I just posted a story about the 1985 Royals and Deanna Kyle (now Klingman) as part of our series on women's basketball "triple crown" winners. I spoke with Deanna in early May when she was a candidate for the full-time head coaching position. We didn't talk much about the search but, since it's a topic on this board, I wanted to clarify the timing for our interview.

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2015/05/klingman-first-to-elite-feat

Gordon,
   As usual, a very good job on your part. I did see Megan Silva play in the Final Four in 2005, the year before she was POY and national scoring leader; so, maybe you can give her an asterisk for almost making that austere group. Silva was very good, but the MOP should have been Audrey Minott(PG) instead of Joanna Conner.
  Deanna mentioned still using the men's basketball; when did the women start using the smaller ball?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 11, 2015, 08:28:51 PM
 Toby Lovecchio, Scranton AD, to step down to Associate AD- the release didn't say if in place of/addition to Steve Klingman or what effect it will have on the naming of the WBB HC.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 11, 2015, 09:36:12 PM
He is moving to Asst AD for operations. Can anyone tell me what that means ? I assume this explains the change in admin. that impacted the Klingman hire. Not sure we will ever know the details there.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: bill on June 11, 2015, 11:35:59 PM
Rink

I think the switch to the smaller ball was approved in 1984 and implemented in 1985...but I might be off by one year!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 12, 2015, 12:12:09 AM
Quote from: bill on June 11, 2015, 11:35:59 PM
Rink

I think the switch to the smaller ball was approved in 1984 and implemented in 1985...but I might be off by one year!

Deanna Klingman played in '84-85 and said they still used the larger ball.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on June 12, 2015, 10:28:16 AM
I didn't realize the balls were different sizes until she told me. Who knew!

Signed, Tom Brady
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on June 12, 2015, 10:30:23 AM
Oh, and I agree on Silva. The eight seasons I highlighted were selected according to a somewhat objective, but not perfect, criteria. Lett's season with Illinois Wesleyan was also really good.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 15, 2015, 12:09:59 AM
 "Recently", 2 D3 bball coaching legends, Yvonne Kauffman(E-town) and Mike Strong(Scranton), retired in the Landmark. E-town and Scranton both chose interim coaches. The interim coaches didn't return after 1 year because of the family business or choosing to coach at a different school. Since then, each school has lost its AD also. E-town named a new interim coach and will defer the HC until the AD is selected.
  Since E-town and Scranton were the most recent additions to the Landmark, they have decided on a Landmark economic strategy by conducting a joint search for the ADs, a 2 for the price of one.  ;) Theoretically, it makes sense for the conference of "like-minded" institutions. If it works out, they'll do the same for the HC positions, also. Goucher could have joined in and made it a 3-for-1, but couldn't wait to name their AD and HCs.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 16, 2015, 04:54:35 PM
 In today's developments of the Scranton WBB HC saga, the position was opened again with a closing date of mid-July. Since the previous listing earlier in the spring, the interim HC has become a HC on the scholastic level, the fulltime assistant(Sheila Cook) has become the HC of another institution, and the AD is stepping down to the associate AD position.
  In my exchanges with Sheila over the past 1 3/4 years, I've found her to possess every qualification that might be part of the Lady Royal HC position, save experience on that level. That could be offset to some degree by her being the face, eyes, ears, and voice of the program over that time and by her being the previous choice of Mike Strong, albeit for the fulltime assistant position.
  Two weekends from now, the U will be hosting a good AAU tourney(Black Diamond) and this will be the 1st impression of many of the competitors of the school, facilities, and campus and it would be more favorable if there were a coaching staffer onhand. In the absence of that happening, I nominate Saratoga to fill in.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dan Gambino on June 18, 2015, 02:37:47 PM
Ronk,

How are you? My name is Dan Gambino and I have been reading the message board with respect to the situation with the WBB program at Scranton and I wanted to weigh in on your conversations. I agree that the former LVC coach would be an excellent choice for Scranton. My daughter, Jenna was one of his first captains.  Coach Todd made it very clear to her that academic success and community service were the program's top priorities. He also put LVC on the national map on the court.
Scranton needs an experienced D3 head coach who has had success in NCAAs and can recruit the region. He would be a very good fit there.
I wrote a letter to the editor at the time of his departure.  Here is the link: http://www.ldnews.com/letters/ci_26307616/letters-editor-ex-lvc-womens-hoops-coach-fondly
I have followed the program closely over the years -- there is no hidden reason for him moving on.  In my view, he was navigating around an AD that was hostile to him and his program.  In fact, a very successful field hockey coach resigned from LVC a few years prior due to the work environment.  I believe there was an investigation of the AD at that time as well.
The link to her resignation is here: http://www.ldnews.com/ci_18003265
If Coach Todd has applied, I hope they interview him. He'd be a great hire for them.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 18, 2015, 08:07:58 PM
Quote from: Dan Gambino on June 18, 2015, 02:37:47 PM
Ronk,

How are you? My name is Dan Gambino and I have been reading the message board with respect to the situation with the WBB program at Scranton and I wanted to weigh in on your conversations. I agree that the former LVC coach would be an excellent choice for Scranton. My daughter, Jenna was one of his first captains.  Coach Todd made it very clear to her that academic success and community service were the program's top priorities. He also put LVC on the national map on the court.
Scranton needs an experienced D3 head coach who has had success in NCAAs and can recruit the region. He would be a very good fit there.
I wrote a letter to the editor at the time of his departure.  Here is the link: http://www.ldnews.com/letters/ci_26307616/letters-editor-ex-lvc-womens-hoops-coach-fondly
I have followed the program closely over the years -- there is no hidden reason for him moving on.  In my view, he was navigating around an AD that was hostile to him and his program.  In fact, a very successful field hockey coach resigned from LVC a few years prior due to the work environment.  I believe there was an investigation of the AD at that time as well.
The link to her resignation is here: http://www.ldnews.com/ci_18003265
If Coach Todd has applied, I hope they interview him. He'd be a great hire for them.

Dan,
   Thanks for the link to your letter; it makes me feel a lot better-it was hard to believe Todd was let go. I encountered him many times in the last 5 years on the AAU tourney trail; he had signed up to attend a major tourney in April when it was disclosed that he wasn't being rehired. LVC and Scranton played in the Marymount NCAA regional(2011) against different opponents so I had that opportunity to observe his coaching and the play of his team. LVC lost on a last-second basket after a traveling noncall that I discussed with him the next time I saw him. He's currently an assistant coach in the Ivy League.
   Your letter reassures me that he would be an excellent choice as the Lady Royals' HC. I know that when one of his players(from  Scranton, ironically) had a serious family medical issue a couple of years ago, he was very supportive of the player and the issues. Let's hope there's good news soon.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 19, 2015, 04:39:40 PM
For those who don't know... Laurel Martin took over the Stevenson field hockey team and despite some struggles early on has turned that program around including a significant season last fall (including a big win in the ECAC semifinals - hint, hint). Just thought I would share an update.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on June 19, 2015, 05:16:03 PM
Ronk: The "serious family medical issue" to which you refer was the death of player Liz Borgia's mother. Goclowski and the entire team attended her funeral in Scranton.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on June 19, 2015, 05:22:54 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 19, 2015, 04:39:40 PM
For those who don't know... Laurel Martin took over the Stevenson field hockey team and despite some struggles early on has turned that program around including a significant season last fall (including a big win in the ECAC semifinals - hint, hint). Just thought I would share an update.

Dave: I got your "hint." It's likely merely another sign of Stevenson's growing power and influence in the MAC.   :'(
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 20, 2015, 12:48:42 AM
To be honest... the hint was about exacting some revenge for Martin... nothing else.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on June 20, 2015, 06:55:33 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 20, 2015, 12:48:42 AM
To be honest... the hint was about exacting some revenge for Martin... nothing else.

I know that, but I still believe Stevenson is a coming power in the MAC Commonwealth.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dan Gambino on June 23, 2015, 10:33:45 PM
Ronk.

How are you? I apologize I am just getting back to you, last week was pretty hectic. Anyways, I am glad you were able to read the links.

It doesn't surprise me you have encountered Coach Todd on the recruiting trail. He is a dedicated recruiter and brought a number of talented players to LVC. My daughter was a senior when he brought in his first recruiting class and she was a starter that season along with 4 freshmen from that class. Seems like yesterday! The time flies. The freshman point guard on that great team had her jersey retired by the school last year. Have you ever been to a game at the LVC gym?

I hope I'm not spilling the beans on his personal life, but I believe Coach Todd just got engaged and then resigned his assistant coach post at Cornell to move back to Pennsylvania to live with his fiancée. I did see that Cornell had its first winning season in 7 years and that doesn't surprise me a bit.

I do know that, Coach Todd is very interested and has reached out to Scranton. Have you heard anything on that? Scranton has been a great program over the years, with many NCAA appearances. He would be a very nice hire for the U and maintain that success.

I can remember the tragedy for the family of the local Scranton player you referred to. I know Todd admired the strength of that family a great deal. It's my understanding Todd requested from the AD a bus for teammates and classmates to attend the funeral. The AD denied his request and Todd ended up personally paying for it himself. He still speaks very highly of her and I seem to recall him saying she was an exceptional student and off to graduate school.

It will be interesting to follow round two of the process at Scranton. Do you think they will fill the open AD spot before their hire a coach?

Dan
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 24, 2015, 01:06:21 AM
 Dan,
   That frosh class is the one I saw in the NCAA in 2011 as seniors although one had transferred to DeSales by then. I haven't been in the LVC gym yet.
    If it were pro football or bball, I'd say hire the AD(GM) first and let him choose the coach. But it's D3 bball, recruiting season and assistant coach hiring is awasting, so choose the coach now, instead. My 3 choices(in the absence of knowing who applied) were former Scranton players Cabrini HC Kate Pearson, Salisbury HC Kelly Lewandowski, and Todd. Kate's very unlikely to want to leave the Philly suburbs where her families are located, Kelly would be more likely but might not want to leave the school that gave her the HC opportunity, so my choice is Todd, especially if he's interested.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 30, 2015, 04:48:30 PM
From everything I have gathered and not from any sources... I don't think Kate or Kelly are interested... or I would have heard their names floating around the first time. If they happened to have gotten passed over the first time around or weren't that close in the finalists list to be a third or fourth option (thus a reason the job was reopened - lack of a third or fourth option)... than why would they be interested in taking over now? Also, why be interested now if clearly things are a semi-mess at best at the university?

Scranton seems to have botched this from the beginning and it's going to cost them dearly, by their standards, I worry.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 30, 2015, 05:16:45 PM
I agree that Kate and Kelly weren't likely to be interested for the reasons that I've already listed. But, if they were interested, they'd be my choices. Also, don't know if the AD is allowed to actively solicit coaches currently under contract or is that tampering? The fact that the situation is "untidy" might be a reason to respond rather than a deterrent.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on June 30, 2015, 05:39:49 PM
Following along here for our former MAC Freedom partner - is there a dearth in d3 coaches? 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on July 06, 2015, 11:39:05 PM
 Concerning the Scranton HC situation, I talked today with a player parent and an unsuccessful applicant; no one seems to know the whole story. If Jason Miller(Scranton grad) were still alive, he'd probably make it a movie-the sequel to his That Championship Season.
  It's not easy trying to interest prospects when there's no AD, HC, or fulltime assistant, but we soldier on. Optimistically, we'll know before the next major tourney in 2 1/2 weeks, but I'm not counting on it.
   I talked with DeSales HC Richter yesterday about his schedule since Scranton is in his season opening tourney, according to Scranton's schedule; he seemed unaware that it wasn't posted yet on DeSales' web site. He said the Royals will be playing The College of New Jersey and DeSales will be playing Widener. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on August 07, 2015, 10:25:19 AM
How many days has Scranton gone without a coach? Believe students are back in 3 weeks.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 07, 2015, 12:00:54 PM
Quote from: Royals81 on June 04, 2015, 10:00:47 PM
Scranton - longtime coach resigns 9/17/2014 - successor still to be named - total search to hire = 260 days and counting

Even if we give Scranton's AD the benefit of the doubt and start the clock when the Lady Royal's 2014-2015 season ended on 3/6/2015, the total search to hire period is still 90 days and counting.

That was posted on June 4... so we do a little math and...

Since Mike Strong resigned: 324 days
Since the end of this season: 154 days
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 10, 2015, 04:36:38 PM
Well... Scranton has hired a new AD. Dave Martin who is now the former Misericordia AD is taking the reigns. Dave has already indicated he will not name himself interim WBB coach... but at least there is someone in place who can most likely make a decision sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on August 10, 2015, 05:55:16 PM
Just when I was about to give up on any semblance of common sense being utilized by the Royal brain trust, they make this announcement.

Absolutely outstanding choice!

Great guy, proven leader and the coach for the women's basketball team will now be his call.

Scranton has taken a magnificent first step with this hire.

I have no doubt that the Lady Royal tradition, although down because of a lost year in recruiting & planning, will be running on all cylinders in short order.

Welcome Dave!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 10, 2015, 06:48:32 PM
It is a good hire... it is just too bad they had to wait until now to move forward with a women's coach decision. I'm not sure if people will see the affects of this slow hiring process this year, but they will see it during the 2016-17 and 2017-18 seasons.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on August 10, 2015, 07:06:05 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 10, 2015, 06:48:32 PM
It is a good hire... it is just too bad they had to wait until now to move forward with a women's coach decision. I'm not sure if people will see the affects of this slow hiring process this year, but they will see it during the 2016-17 and 2017-18 seasons.

I think 2016-17 will be better than this coming season and I'm trying to help the following seasons to be better, still.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on August 10, 2015, 07:57:00 PM
Not planning on passing out envelops of cash to HS seniors are you?  :o
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on August 10, 2015, 09:09:04 PM
Has to be a bit awkward with Toby sticking around.

Toga, can you expand on what you know about Martin? I also hear that Kevin Southard has left Scranton, seems like the Athletic department is getting revamped.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on August 10, 2015, 09:23:32 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on August 10, 2015, 09:09:04 PM
Has to be a bit awkward with Toby sticking around.

Toga, can you expand on what you know about Martin? I also hear that Kevin Southard has left Scranton, seems like the Athletic department is getting revamped.

When Kevin emailed me 2 weeks ago, he signed it as assistant AD - maybe he's going to be that position instead of SID.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on August 10, 2015, 09:48:43 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on August 10, 2015, 09:09:04 PM
Has to be a bit awkward with Toby sticking around.

Toga, can you expand on what you know about Martin? I also hear that Kevin Southard has left Scranton, seems like the Athletic department is getting revamped.

Dave Martin was the chairman of the women's committee, NCAA D3 until it was mentioned in May by Dave McHugh that he was stepping down to give someone else the opportunity. He was to continue serving as the Mid-Atlantic region rep; don't know if that will change with him switching to a different school/conference in the same region. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: HonestAbe on August 10, 2015, 10:26:21 PM
Quote from: ronk on August 10, 2015, 09:23:32 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on August 10, 2015, 09:09:04 PM
Has to be a bit awkward with Toby sticking around.

Toga, can you expand on what you know about Martin? I also hear that Kevin Southard has left Scranton, seems like the Athletic department is getting revamped.

When Kevin emailed me 2 weeks ago, he signed it as assistant AD - maybe he's going to be that position instead of SID.

Kevin retired his last day is sometime in the beginning of August he might already be gone if the last time you heard from him was 2 weeks ago.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals81 on August 10, 2015, 11:17:50 PM
Very pleased with the University's new AD hire.  He certainly knows D3, knows the area and has a proven track record at Misericordia.  With this hire completed, hopefully we won't have to wait too much longer for the announcement that a new Lady Royals coaching staff has been selected and is in place.  The new hires will really have to hit the ground running.  I'm not sure you can make up for several months of indecisiveness in just a few weeks prior to the start of preseason conditioning.  But at least some progress has been made since the middle of May.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on August 10, 2015, 11:36:12 PM
Quote from: saratoga on August 10, 2015, 07:57:00 PM
Not planning on passing out envelops of cash to HS seniors are you?  :o

No, but the incoming class has special this-year-only deal that they could bring along their own coach ::); looks like it's a class of 5 - a point guard, 2 combos, a wing, and a post; I've seen the PG and W in person, but the CGs only on youtube and the post only in photos; they'll compete for the 2 open starting positions and the prime reserve time likely this season. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on August 11, 2015, 09:44:01 AM
 "I am thrilled and humbled to have this opportunity and I am very excited," said Martin, a Dunmore resident who spent more than a decade leading and building the athletic programs at Misericordia University.

"There is great history and great tradition and we are at a time when we can move things forward. We have land, construction of new facilities is on the horizon. There is potential to add programs. I am looking forward to the challenges and the opportunity."

http://thetimes-tribune.com/sports/u-of-s-names-martin-director-of-athletics-1.1925163
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on August 11, 2015, 11:16:46 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on August 11, 2015, 09:44:01 AM
"I am thrilled and humbled to have this opportunity and I am very excited," said Martin, a Dunmore resident who spent more than a decade leading and building the athletic programs at Misericordia University.

"There is great history and great tradition and we are at a time when we can move things forward. We have land, construction of new facilities is on the horizon. There is potential to add programs. I am looking forward to the challenges and the opportunity."

http://thetimes-tribune.com/sports/u-of-s-names-martin-director-of-athletics-1.1925163

I suppose the land is part of the South Side area, but what new facilities are being contemplated?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 11, 2015, 03:19:30 PM
A couple of other items not mentioned about Martin:
- Former MBB committee chair as well who has pushed for transparency during his tenure on the men's committee and now on the women's committee.
- Martin also helped spearhead the men's all-star game being introduced in Salem.
- He was Misericordia's men's basketball coach for a long time and was rather successful. Also took over the women's team halfway through a season and led them to an improbable NCAA tournament berth. He has told me he doesn't plan to be the interim women's coach at Scranton :-)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on August 11, 2015, 04:14:30 PM
NEPA:

Get your order in now for the new UofS football jerseys.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on August 11, 2015, 05:16:18 PM
Quote from: saratoga on August 11, 2015, 04:14:30 PM
NEPA:

Get your order in now for the new UofS football jerseys.

Just out of curiosity, when did Scranton drop football?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on August 11, 2015, 06:51:39 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on August 11, 2015, 05:16:18 PM
Quote from: saratoga on August 11, 2015, 04:14:30 PM
NEPA:

Get your order in now for the new UofS football jerseys.

Just out of curiosity, when did Scranton drop football?

I think it was after the 1960 season-there were former football players still attending class when I started in '62.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on August 11, 2015, 08:32:28 PM
Quote from: saratoga on August 11, 2015, 04:14:30 PM
NEPA:

Get your order in now for the new UofS football jerseys.

Don't tease about such matters.

Ronk the U has property in Springbrook Township about 10 minutes from campus. Believe that land has been earmarked for Athletics.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on August 11, 2015, 10:59:48 PM
D-mac:
Any chance there might be a little press about Dave Martin becoming the new AD at Scranton.
I would think that having the former head of both the men's & women's Selection Committee in DIII moving into his current job should be able to garner a sentence or two from the editorial board.
This information may be as equally interesting to the readers as a women's basketball team switching conferences or Marywood looking for yet another coach.
Just a thought.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 12, 2015, 12:27:35 AM
Well... he was the AD at Misericordia last year serving as the women's committee chair and already the men's committee chair. The only difference is he chose to move to Scranton. I'm not sure it's bigger than an AD finding another job since the committee chairmanship story has been covered, especially on Hoopsville, extensively. But we are all aware of the story, so if it makes it on to the front page... Gordon or Pat decided it made sense to do so.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on August 12, 2015, 01:26:06 PM
I'm sorry, but if Groves is not watching, I still miss all you Scranton guys!  You're all keeping me smiling this summer, and if we're lucky enough to make it to DeSales for your opening tourney, I would hope that you would come and say Hi!  Also hope I'd recognize Ronk.  Widener's coach Kintner will have a new baby coach in tow, so it would be a fun reunion.  Del Val's opening tourney is the following weekend at Muhlenberg. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 12, 2015, 10:15:35 PM
We don't generally write stories about AD hires, although this is certainly a prominent one! Exception is when a coach takes on an AD role, or leaves coaching to take an AD role.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on August 18, 2015, 09:45:07 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 12, 2015, 10:15:35 PM
We don't generally write stories about AD hires, although this is certainly a prominent one! Exception is when a coach takes on an AD role, or leaves coaching to take an AD role.

Would love to hear why he left Miseri to go to Scranton, but understand that should probably come from the local paper or the U, rather than D3hoops.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on August 23, 2015, 12:53:45 PM
From what I've recently heard, the witching hour is very near.
The coach has been chosen & some members of the Lady Royals were part of the selection committee.
If what I've been told is accurate (and I have no reason to doubt it), the new coach has many years experience as a head coach at the DIII level, will be coming to the UofS from their current position at a nearby university & is very well known to Dave.
Oh, and by the way, his former team once beat the UofS mens team in the Long Center with a 3 point near half court shot at the buzzer about 10 years ago.
Since that game, these two schools have never again played each other.
What I don't know is whether or not this is another "interim' fill or long term.
As they say in Baltimore...Buckle up!


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on August 23, 2015, 02:48:10 PM
 Always a research puzzle with Saratoga - I couldn't come up with Nate Davis in the Spring version of 'name the next HC'.
At 1st glance of thumbing through the annals of Royals' bball, I come up with 2 possibilities of a 3-pt or fewer homecourt loss in the last 10 years(approximate) - Marywood and DeSales - whom we haven't played since. I did talk with Coach Richter(DeSales) this summer since the Lady Royals are playing in their tipoff tourney, finding out that our opponent is TCNJ in the 1st game. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on August 24, 2015, 04:08:09 PM
Too early for a drum roll?  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 24, 2015, 04:14:05 PM
QuoteThe new coach has many years experience as a head coach at the DIII level, will be coming to the UofS from their current position at a nearby university & is very well known to Dave..his former team once beat the UofS mens team in the Long Center with a 3 point near half court shot at the buzzer about 10 years ago.

Ooh fun! I like riddles.

I'm guessing its Eric Grundman from Marywood who coached the Pacers mens' team for 12 seasons and has coached women's sports (golf) before. That's nearby and he has ties to Lackawanna Junior College. Dave Martin would know him from their time in the Pennsylvania Athletic Conference together before Misericordia left and the conference became the CSAC.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on August 24, 2015, 04:58:00 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on August 24, 2015, 04:14:05 PM
QuoteThe new coach has many years experience as a head coach at the DIII level, will be coming to the UofS from their current position at a nearby university & is very well known to Dave..his former team once beat the UofS mens team in the Long Center with a 3 point near half court shot at the buzzer about 10 years ago.

Ooh fun! I like riddles.

I'm guessing its Eric Grundman from Marywood who coached the Pacers mens' team for 12 seasons and has coached women's sports (golf) before. That's nearby and he has ties to Lackawanna Junior College. Dave Martin would know him from their time in the Pennsylvania Athletic Conference together before Misericordia left and the conference became the CSAC.

Couple of things:
   I note that he had 1 winning season in 12 as men's bball coach @ Marywood; Marywood men's bball HC position is currently open.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 24, 2015, 06:04:59 PM
Yeah, Grundman wasn't the coach there last year. The head coach was Bob Simmons who moved west to be the head coach at Allegheny (http://d3hoops.com/seasons/men/2014-15/contrib/20150728ckcy5r). So that's the reason for that vacancy.

If I guess right, then Dean Corwin has to send me a free Scranton basketball t-shirt. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on August 24, 2015, 08:53:03 PM
Gordon:
Up the stakes....hold out for one of the first issued football jersey's.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on August 25, 2015, 10:43:58 AM
Martin has been the AD for 10 hours and no announcement. what gives?  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 25, 2015, 11:32:40 AM
HA! I've been resisting the urge to call him and ask why the delay. LOL
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on August 25, 2015, 02:56:51 PM
 My source said: hopefully, by the end of this week.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 25, 2015, 08:31:08 PM
He's probably reading Kickoff. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on August 26, 2015, 09:52:22 AM
CNN is showing thousands of fans standing outside the Long Center waiting for the announcement.  Ha ! 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on August 26, 2015, 12:14:54 PM
Quote from: sp0rtsfan on August 26, 2015, 09:52:22 AM
CNN is showing thousands of fans standing outside the Long Center waiting for the announcement.  Ha !

  I wonder if they're the same group that was outside the night of the 1st Kings' game when the Long Center opened; that group included ~ 50 policemen in riot gear. There just wasn't room that night for everyone that showed up in comparison to the former home in the Scranton CYC.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 26, 2015, 02:24:06 PM
Dave and I decided to just go with this already:
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2015/08/source-scranton-hires-strong-replacement
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on August 26, 2015, 03:11:06 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 26, 2015, 02:24:06 PM
Dave and I decided to just go with this already:
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2015/08/source-scranton-hires-strong-replacement

Pat,
  We could have waited-you scooped my former Scranton classmate, ESPN exec editor John A. Walsh, but who else? Tough journalistic decision for the editor? ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 26, 2015, 04:08:03 PM
I don't think it's a good idea to go all inside baseball on this but generally at a news organization there should be a discussion as to when to go live with news supported only by sources speaking on background.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on August 26, 2015, 06:27:40 PM
Just received a call from Source # 1.
States Source # 2 had the local college part correct, just not the right local college.
Apparently, Source # 2 also used the past tense when speaking of the new coach (former), when it should have been in the present tense (current).
More twists & turns than an Agatha Christie novel.
However, Source # 2 states he recently spoke with the father of one of the players (today), & the name of the new coach is indeed what DIII Hoops has listed.
If that information proves to be true, I will now challenge DMac and his assertion that the Lady Royals
are in trouble this season & beyond.
This guy can flat out coach & the Lady Royals just became a very, very good ball club.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 26, 2015, 06:31:21 PM
QuoteIf I guess right, then Dean Corwin has to send me a free Scranton basketball t-shirt.

Hm. No free t-shirt for me then. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on August 26, 2015, 06:57:14 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on August 26, 2015, 06:31:21 PM
QuoteIf I guess right, then Dean Corwin has to send me a free Scranton basketball t-shirt.

Hm. No free t-shirt for me then. :)

Gordon,
   That was a good guess, given the parameters. You deserve a new shirt. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on August 26, 2015, 07:07:42 PM
Quote from: saratoga on August 26, 2015, 06:27:40 PM
Just received a call from Source # 1.
States Source # 2 had the local college part correct, just not the right local college.
Apparently, Source # 2 also used the past tense when speaking of the new coach (former), when it should have been in the present tense (current).
More twists & turns than an Agatha Christie novel.
However, Source # 2 states he recently spoke with the father of one of the players (today), & the name of the new coach is indeed what DIII Hoops has listed.
If that information proves to be true, I will now challenge DMac and his assertion that the Lady Royals
are in trouble this season & beyond.

This guy can flat out coach & the Lady Royals just became a very, very good ball club.

As long as Sara Payonk is playing, she enables every teammate to play better; that's why I said recently that they'd be better next year than this coming year. She's that inspiring.

Saratoga,
   Thanks for the update; you've always been spot-on in the past.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on August 26, 2015, 07:16:44 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on August 26, 2015, 06:31:21 PM
QuoteIf I guess right, then Dean Corwin has to send me a free Scranton basketball t-shirt.

Hm. No free t-shirt for me then. :)

How about a t shirt and tickets to a suite at the Long Center!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: HonestAbe on August 26, 2015, 10:28:39 PM
Just want to add that I heard that it is going to announced officially on Friday and that the girls are supposed to be having a meeting about it tomorrow night.

Also would not be surprised if we start seeing some old faces become involved in the team again for better or worse. 5 points to anyone who can guess who.

I am not sure I would agree with the enthusiasm on the upcoming season. This guy may be able to coach really well and Sara may be a good ball player although I am not sure I would go as far as Ronk on that. I still think with the way this all went down and with losing the key pieces they lost this is going to end up being a lost season, with the new starters, assistant and head coach all getting their bearings. While teams like Catholic, Moravian, E-Town, and Susquehanna will all be gunning for their spot.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on August 27, 2015, 07:30:38 AM
A few observations:

First of all, congratulations to Dave.

Not on the job "officially" for more than a day & he pulls off bringing in someone he knows very well, trusts & is considered one of the brightest young coaches out there as the new Lady Royal coach.

When you give up a mens head coaching job at nice little place like Miseri for the head job with the Lady Royals, it kind of shows you the high profile position that job is.

Dave obviously had no plans of bringing in someone he really didn't know, watching the Lady Royals suffer through additional growing pains and spending years getting back to any semblance of prominence on the national level.

I've spoken in the past that in order to get the Lady Royals moving again, the new coach will need to have a passion for teaching and recruiting.

They could not have brought in a better coach.

Not jumping too far ahead, you just have to wonder if Dave has bigger plans in the overall basketball department now that Trevor is on board?

As far as Abe's assertion that this will end up a "lost season", not a chance.

Not saying they'll win the Landmark, but I guarantee everyone will see a steady improvement from game 1 through 25.

Great coaches bring out the very best in their players, teach things the kids never knew or had not been used to doing and have them ready for the challenges the season brings.

Scranton women's basketball is finally back in great hands. The future just got a heck of a lot brighter.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on August 27, 2015, 06:33:26 PM
Here it is...it is now "officially" a great day in Royal land.
Enjoy.

http://athletics.scranton.edu/sports/wbkb/2015-16/releases/20150827dac4ta
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on August 28, 2015, 09:15:11 AM
http://timesleader.com/sports/localsports/379234/woodruff-takes-over-as-scranton-womens-basketball-coach

Some quotes and background here.


Trevor says this is the only women's job in the nation he would have taken. Didn't think UCONN was a fit for him ;)

Also hearing rumors that the Scranton Royals may change their nickname to the Scranton Cougars.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on August 28, 2015, 10:48:25 PM
Another nice story from the Scranton Times/Tribune.

Kate, you may now prepare your drum roll.

As bad as this situation looked several weeks ago, I can assure you this turn of developments could have not ended up any better.



http://thetimes-tribune.com/sports/u-of-s-makes-it-official-woodruff-s-their-man-1.1933711
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on August 28, 2015, 10:58:56 PM
Quote from: saratoga on August 28, 2015, 10:48:25 PM
Another nice story from the Scranton Times/Tribune.

Kate, you may now prepare your drum roll.

As bad as this situation looked several weeks ago, I can assure you this turn of developments could have not ended up any better.



http://thetimes-tribune.com/sports/u-of-s-makes-it-official-woodruff-s-their-man-1.1933711

And where Coach Woodruff says "we've missed the entire summer recruiting season", I'll be offering my assistance to reduce considerably the effects of that miss.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on August 29, 2015, 04:44:30 PM
Great choice for Athletic Director!Then Dave brings in a great Coach in Woodruff.I would like to welcome Coach Woodruff to the University of Scranton.Nepa fan I think Trevor Woodruff said one of the best in Divison 3 not all womens basketball!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on August 30, 2015, 09:17:07 AM
Quote from: saratoga on August 28, 2015, 10:48:25 PM
Another nice story from the Scranton Times/Tribune.

Kate, you may now prepare your drum roll.

As bad as this situation looked several weeks ago, I can assure you this turn of developments could have not ended up any better.



http://thetimes-tribune.com/sports/u-of-s-makes-it-official-woodruff-s-their-man-1.1933711

I have finally figured out Saratoga's identity.  It is Trevor Woodruff's mom.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on August 30, 2015, 01:04:19 PM
Anything for my boy!

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on August 31, 2015, 04:20:07 PM
Hey Scranton posters, just hope that you've allowed your new A.D. and Women's Coach plenty of time to grasp your like-minded concept ;)!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on September 02, 2015, 02:33:12 PM
Quote from: HonestAbe on August 26, 2015, 10:28:39 PM
Just want to add that I heard that it is going to announced officially on Friday and that the girls are supposed to be having a meeting about it tomorrow night.

Also would not be surprised if we start seeing some old faces become involved in the team again for better or worse. 5 points to anyone who can guess who.

I am not sure I would agree with the enthusiasm on the upcoming season. This guy may be able to coach really well and Sara may be a good ball player although I am not sure I would go as far as Ronk on that. I still think with the way this all went down and with losing the key pieces they lost this is going to end up being a lost season, with the new starters, assistant and head coach all getting their bearings. While teams like Catholic, Moravian, E-Town, and Susquehanna will all be gunning for their spot.


I have no guesses, but am curious about this statement...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on September 02, 2015, 06:08:22 PM
Ok, first guess, here goes.....

*Mike Strong back as Asst. Coach in charge of Off Shore Scheduling

*Deanna back as team Chaplin.

*Bess back as Asst. Coach in charge of Motivation

*Canio back as Canio
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on September 08, 2015, 08:11:12 PM
Martin and Woodruff ( sounds like a comedy act) were on the John Mendola show last week. Anyone have a link or audio?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 26, 2015, 11:18:29 PM
Lady Royals fans,
  Just back from a day at the final AAU tourney of this season, where I met the new AD, Dave Martin, whose daughter was playing, and the new Head Coach, Trevor Woodruff. We checked out my list of prospects and added a few new ones. As usual, we found out that some had chosen other schools since I last saw them in July, but we still have a quality group of interested prospects seeking to make a visit.
  Strength and conditioning has started and, according to one parent, is already making a difference. The frosh could help considerably this year.
  Applications for the assistant coaching position closed yesterday so look for an announcement soon.
  Practice starts in less than 3 weeks. I'm optimistic.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: amh63 on September 28, 2015, 01:16:37 PM
ronk.....did you see any Amherst reps at the posted AAU event?   Just nosey :).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on September 28, 2015, 04:42:26 PM
when does D3 practice start? October 15th?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 28, 2015, 05:07:26 PM
October 15 as always, though schools can begin games as early as November 13 this year. Next year that will return to November 15 - we won't see an earlier date until the NCAA changes the rule again (as it did last January to start the season 11/13) or the year 2020 - whichever comes first.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 28, 2015, 08:17:01 PM
Quote from: amh63 on September 28, 2015, 01:16:37 PM
ronk.....did you see any Amherst reps at the posted AAU event?   Just nosey :).
I didn't see GP this Saturday or anyone else wearing an Amherst shirt. I guess he's already got his full complement. ;) Actually, there was a big event in MA(1 of my prospects was playing there) this past weekend and it would make more sense to be there instead.
  I'll be in the Berkshires(after Cape Cod) in a couple of weeks; do u have a recommendation for lunch in Williamstown? Also, I have to look up where Amherst is.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 23, 2015, 06:52:44 PM
 Scranton WBB announces Meghan Nowak(Eastern U All-American-2015) as fulltime assistant. I'm hoping she has some playing eligibility left ;). Check the web site for the full announcement.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on October 23, 2015, 10:11:36 PM
Finally got her.......just four years too late.
From what I've recently heard, the Lady Royals are light years ahead of where they were at this point last year...both physically and basketball wise.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 24, 2015, 10:54:15 PM
Quote from: saratoga on October 23, 2015, 10:11:36 PM
Finally got her.......just four years too late.
From what I've recently heard, the Lady Royals are light years ahead of where they were at this point last year...both physically and basketball wise.

Heard some confirmation about the physical improvement a few weeks ago but it was before preseason practice started so I can't confirm the bball improvement. Good scrimmage opponents soon should provide that test. Squad picture is now on their twitter site. Looks like everyone that could return, has, and there are 5 expected newcomers. Hopefully, the roster details will be posted soon in case my eyesight is deficient. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 27, 2015, 06:50:13 PM
 Roster is up; 1 additional(to the 5 I expected) newcomer from Prep; 1(Jenna Pasquale) did not return from last season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on October 27, 2015, 07:42:15 PM
I believe the young lady you are referencing from Prep has a pretty famous dad.
Andy Ashby played in the Major leagues for many years...met his wife while playing for AAA Scranton when they were a Phillies affiliate.
The Lady Royals also have two other players on the roster whose dad's played in the NFL.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 29, 2015, 01:40:19 PM
Preseason poll is out; Royals r 16th in others receiving votes. They scrimmage #5 NYU Saturday. Don't think there will be 40 teams ahead of them in the poll by the end of the season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: HonestAbe on November 03, 2015, 03:41:37 AM
With Catholic ranked 16 in the preseason poll and both Scranton and Moravian receiving votes this could be an interesting year in the Landmark.

Did anyone hear how Scranton's scrimmage against NYU went on Saturday?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 03, 2015, 09:46:56 AM
 Haven't heard about the scrimmage yet. I'd put Scranton, E-town, and Susque(last season's playoff teams) ahead of Moravian.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 03, 2015, 09:59:15 AM
Moravian has Alexis Wright back for a second senior season (medical hardship year). Does that change your opinion?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 03, 2015, 10:01:01 AM
Moravian got a big, unexpected, boost when Alexis Wright returned for a fifth season. She would have been one of the best players in the region last year but missed her senior season due to injury. Everyone figured she would graduate but she is doing a year of graduate study at Moravian and using her medical red shirt.

Speaking of Alexis, we released our All-American team this morning...

http://www.d3hoops.com/awards/all-americans/women/preseason-2016
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 03, 2015, 10:09:22 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 03, 2015, 09:59:15 AM
Moravian has Alexis Wright back for a second senior season (medical hardship year). Does that change your opinion?

Yes, it would; I'd put them ahead of Susque now and even with Catholic, Scranton, and E-town. Looks like an interesting conference race.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 03, 2015, 10:20:07 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 03, 2015, 10:01:01 AM
Moravian got a big, unexpected, boost when Alexis Wright returned for a fifth season. She would have been one of the best players in the region last year but missed her senior season due to injury. Everyone figured she would graduate but she is doing a year of graduate study at Moravian and using her medical red shirt.

Speaking of Alexis, we released our All-American team this morning...

http://www.d3hoops.com/awards/all-americans/women/preseason-2016

2 of my prospects from 3 years ago (Sara Tarbert, Lisa Murphy) made the list.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 12, 2015, 01:56:13 PM
"The off-season is over. The basketball season has arrived, but it can't start without Hoopsville hitting the air! Tune in tonight as Dave talks to the two preseason number one teams, touches base with a major coaching change, checks in with the men's basketball National Committee chair, and previews the Northeast Region.

Show starts at 7PM ET! www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/nov12 (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/nov12)

Guests include:
- Grey Giovanine, head coach for #1 Augustana men
- Jeff Hans, head coach for #1 Thomas More women
- Brian Van Haaften, men's basketball committee chair and head coach for Buena Vista
- Trevor Woodruff, head coach for Scranton women
- Matt Noonan, Northeast Regional Reporter"

You can also catch up on the Hoopsville New Rules Special we did and published yesterday. We chatted with:
- Bill Raleigh, Southwestern Assistant Athletic Director and former men's basketball coach along with being on the men's rules committee
- Brad Duckworth, Alverno Athletic Director and women's head coach along with being the current chair of the women's rules committee
- Tim Fitzpatrick, Coast Guard Athletic Director

You can watch or listen to that show here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/rules-special (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/rules-special)

AND BIG NEWS... Hoopsville has added Sunday shows to this year's November and December schedule. That means the show will air Thursdays and Sundays from the beginning of the season until the end. Each show will air at 7pm ET (unless noted) with a few shows in November and December being canceled due to holidays or other responsibilities (i.e. Gagliari Trophy and Stagg Bowl Week).

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Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on November 14, 2015, 12:04:08 AM
Just a thought for the pollsters #16 Catholic lost!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 14, 2015, 12:42:29 AM
Quote from: San Juan on November 14, 2015, 12:04:08 AM
Just a thought for the pollsters #16 Catholic lost!

Thanks, Juan -- we compile a report directly out of our database and all the voters will see it when the next poll comes around.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on November 14, 2015, 05:41:36 PM
That DeSales/Scranton game tomorrow afternoon should be very interesting!  I'm fairly sure I spotted Ronk at the game, but we left after Widener/DeSales, and if it was him, he had disappeared.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 14, 2015, 11:02:05 PM
Quote from: kate on November 14, 2015, 05:41:36 PM
That DeSales/Scranton game tomorrow afternoon should be very interesting!  I'm fairly sure I spotted Ronk at the game, but we left after Widener/DeSales, and if it was him, he had disappeared.

Kate,
   I got there partway thru the 2nd half of the Widener game after meeting up with some cousins for lunch. I looked for you but couldn't find you; even asked BJ if he had seen you but he hadn't. Sorry we missed each other; won't be at tomorrow's games.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 14, 2015, 11:31:41 PM
 The Lady Royals struggled on offense against TCNJ who were missing 2 of their bigs. Alexix Roman was effective down low(10-12) and Nicole Alicea led in rebounds/loose balls with 10 and effective foul shooting in the final 3 minutes. The players are going to need some time to adjust to each other while trying to replace the 2/3 of last year's offense that graduated. 2 frosh(Tina Peden,Bridgette Mann) looked promising.
  I look for another struggle tomorrow against the well-coached DeSales team. They've spanked Scranton badly in the past(70-46, 3 years ago) when the Royals had better personnel than the current edition.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on November 15, 2015, 02:02:59 AM
Hi ronk I am just wondering what bigs are you talking about?I looked back at TCNJ roster and stats and the only two players that are over 6 foot are Scott,Chiara paloridi might be wrong spelling but if that is the two your talking about bud they probably saw a total of 20 minutes between them.Congratulations coach Woodruff on your first win and many more to come.Scranton might have struggled but they still won with a team only returning 2 starters keep that in mind.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on November 15, 2015, 08:59:20 AM
Good morning, Ronk!  Perhaps B.J. didn't recognize a Widener shirt that I was sporting  ;).  We had wanted to see Coach Kintner's newest Family member and her parents & Hubby, so I wore Widener blue.  You walked past us, we were in the stands across from the Widener bench.  At any rate, our season has started - we'll be following today's games on live stats.  Enjoy the next four months, and let's hope for some decent Winter weather!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 15, 2015, 09:47:35 AM
Quote from: San Juan on November 15, 2015, 02:02:59 AM
Hi ronk I am just wondering what bigs are you talking about?I looked back at TCNJ roster and stats and the only two players that are over 6 foot are Scott,Chiara paloridi might be wrong spelling but if that is the two your talking about bud they probably saw a total of 20 minutes between them.Congratulations coach Woodruff on your first win and many more to come.Scranton might have struggled but they still won with a team only returning 2 starters keep that in mind.

I was thinking of Nikki Schott(6-0) whom I saw play AAU ball and was expecting to be a factor yesterday and another 6-footer whom I briefly talked with who was wearing a boot.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 15, 2015, 05:46:29 PM
Lady Royals completely dominate a veteran Desales team at their tournament.
Tied at the half, the Royals pull away & win by 17.
This team has only scratched the surface of their potential.
So many new parts yet playing with the confidence of a veteran team.
Can't wait till coach gets a fews years of recruiting under his belt.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 15, 2015, 05:49:55 PM
PS:
Congrats to Alexix for making the All-Tournament Team & to Nicole for being named Tournament MVP.
Total hustle for 40 minutes each game.
Well done!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 15, 2015, 05:51:10 PM
Sorry...
That would be Noelle.  :-[
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 15, 2015, 07:31:02 PM
  Bridgette Mann had a very nice game. In addition to fine shooting, she got a lot of rebounds and assists. It's comfortable to know that she can get off a good shot in a 1-on-1 situation, that she looks for the shooting opportunity, and that she can make foul shots in the end-of-quarter double bonus situation. Looks like a PLAYER.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on November 15, 2015, 09:04:17 PM
All I have to say is what a difference coaching makes.I said this last night watch out for bridget mann.I have been around basketball along time and saw many players.She will be a star at the U
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 16, 2015, 11:38:20 AM
Wonder if we're related. There are a lot people on that side of the family that I don't know.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on November 16, 2015, 12:22:40 PM
It's great to see 2 opening season wins for the Lady Royals against 2 legit teams. Nice job !!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 16, 2015, 12:28:27 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 16, 2015, 11:38:20 AM
Wonder if we're related. There are a lot people on that side of the family that I don't know.

Gordon,
  I sense you're laying the groundwork for a reason to make another trip to the Electric City to watch the Lady Royals. ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 16, 2015, 03:12:49 PM
Indeed! We'll do Mann family trivia to see if we're related.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on November 22, 2015, 09:19:09 PM
Catholic women lose again 1-3 to start the year. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 15, 2015, 06:54:03 PM
Lady Royals still improving & winning.
Knock off an undefeated team tonight that was very, shall we say, aggressive.
Outstanding defensive effort against a team averaging about 30 more points.
Very big test tomorrow in the championship vs. a talented Eastern squad.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 15, 2015, 07:58:36 PM
 Nice to see offensive contributions from some younger players: Katie O' Reilly with 2 baskets, including 1 in the motion offense, Christina Peden with 2 nice drives, taking advantage of the opportunities, and Bridgette Mann with a couple of shot clock-winding down under control moves. Hopefully, the successes will encourage them to be more proactive in the future. More options leads to a more effective offense.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 30, 2015, 11:01:39 PM
 Expecting the #17 Lady Royals to move into the top 10 after the numerous losses by teams above them, IF they take care of business Sat @ home with dangerous E-town.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 30, 2015, 11:50:35 PM
Any word on the Lafayette transfer playing at Scranton second semester?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 31, 2015, 12:09:01 AM
Quote from: saratoga on December 30, 2015, 11:50:35 PM
Any word on the Lafayette transfer playing at Scranton second semester?

I haven't heard of this and Trevor hasn't mentioned it. I did have a prospect a couple of years ago that I thought was coming to Scranton(her dad is a Scranton grad) but went to Lafayette or Lehigh as a walk-on(her mom was a grad). I never saw her on the roster and I check the Patriot League boxscores frequently since many of my prospects play there. Maybe it's her. If so, she has a twin who's been starting in the Big East for 2+ years.
   If true, I think she would have been eligible to play in Vegas; maybe it was too late to get a plane ticket with the team.
  There's been no online roster addition as of a few minutes ago.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 02, 2016, 05:57:09 PM
 Lady Royals showing some rust after 2-week layoff; many turnovers and E-town missing their best player(Emily Martin). 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 05, 2016, 10:56:24 PM
Not sure who's doing the Scranton SID updates since Kevin's retirement, but they need to get the overview done prior to the next day.
Pick up the pace....you won!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 06, 2016, 07:48:15 AM
Quote from: saratoga on January 05, 2016, 10:56:24 PM
Not sure who's doing the Scranton SID updates since Kevin's retirement, but they need to get the overview done prior to the next day.
Pick up the pace....you won!

Not sure where you're looking, but I got emails at 9:13 and 9:26 last night with the recaps.   I assume if they're being sent they're also being posted somewhere, but maybe I'm mistaken about that.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 06, 2016, 10:50:58 PM
I'm actually referring to the recap here on D3.
When you check the scores, most of the time there is both a box score & the game recap.
Apparently, it was not submitted to this site for viewing.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 07, 2016, 08:24:20 AM
Quote from: saratoga on January 06, 2016, 10:50:58 PM
I'm actually referring to the recap here on D3.
When you check the scores, most of the time there is both a box score & the game recap.
Apparently, it was not submitted to this site for viewing.

Yeah, that might be worth an email to the SID office.  I know the recap emails come from two different people, so it might just be someone assuming someone else is doing it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: redrhino on January 14, 2016, 09:44:09 PM
The Scranton-Catholic women's game should be interesting this Saturday. Both teams had "byes" during the week which means both coaches will have enjoyed extra practice time to prepare for the opposition.

Driven by the sting of last year's one-point upset loss in the championship game with Catholic, the hometown women should have a good chance in this one IF they take care of the basketball.

The Lady Royals 15-0 start is due in part to good coaching, in part to good defense, and in part to the Payonk-Roman-Alicea triangle--but the less-talked-about factor has been the precocious freshman point guard who "came out of the chute" ready to contribute in a big way. Although still learning, she has been a godsend and is getting better all the time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 14, 2016, 10:33:08 PM
Quote from: redrhino on January 14, 2016, 09:44:09 PM
The Scranton-Catholic women's game should be interesting this Saturday. Both teams had "byes" during the week which means both coaches will have enjoyed extra practice time to prepare for the opposition.

Driven by the sting of last year's one-point upset loss in the championship game with Catholic, the hometown women should have a good chance in this one IF they take care of the basketball.

The Lady Royals 15-0 start is due in part to good coaching, in part to good defense, and in part to the Payonk-Roman-Alicea triangle--but the less-talked-about factor has been the precocious freshman point guard who "came out of the chute" ready to contribute in a big way. Although still learning, she has been a godsend and is getting better all the time.

  Coach Donahue and his team has been able to defeat the Royals multiple times by defending successfully the Mesaris offense(and, by extension, the Roman feature) with off-the-ball help; I anticipate more of the same defense on Saturday.
  With regard to the freshman point guard, she has indeed been a big help. She not only has taken over the major ball handling need, but makes good judgments on attacking the defense and is the prime choice for doing something successfully in the last 10 seconds of shot-clock situations. Hopefully, we'll be getting a PG or 2 next year so that she can play her more natural SG position.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on January 15, 2016, 08:11:00 PM
Ronk big difference is coaching this year.He is not coaching against Strong or Klingman that never made adjustments.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: redrhino on January 16, 2016, 09:22:55 PM
Congratulations to the Lady Royals on their win against Catholic. There are some rough edges to smooth out, but the team continues to impress. Sarah "Triple Double" Payonk is becoming a humble and mature leader. Noelle Alicea is vigorous!

I am tempted to talk about Landmark Rookie of the Year, but we will cross that Bridgette when we come to it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 16, 2016, 09:32:20 PM
Quote from: redrhino on January 16, 2016, 09:22:55 PM
Congratulations to the Lady Royals on their win against Catholic. There are some rough edges to smooth out, but the team continues to impress. Sarah "Triple Double" Payonk is becoming a humble and mature leader. Noelle Alicea is vigorous!

I am tempted to talk about Landmark Rookie of the Year, but we will cross that Bridgette when we come to it.

So, you're going to Mann up and talk about it later in the season?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 16, 2016, 11:07:52 PM

Hurdles cleared - now we're set for the Scranton-Moravian match-up for top spot in the conference.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on January 17, 2016, 01:24:56 AM
The freshman scored 21points tonight with a bum knee.Triple double for Payonk never makes team of the week on d3hoops  and Roman dominated in side.Just a thought they need to brush up on rough edges where??????
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: redrhino on January 17, 2016, 01:10:58 PM
Quote from: San Juan on January 17, 2016, 01:24:56 AM
The freshman scored 21points tonight with a bum knee.Triple double for Payonk never makes team of the week on d3hoops  and Roman dominated in side.Just a thought they need to brush up on rough edges where??????

I guess San Juan wants me to be specific about the "rough edges." First of all, I and probably half the known universe, love the players on this team; love the style of play; and love the intensity. The magical Lady Royals place tremendous talent on the floor, and it is much more enjoyable to point out meritorious play. But San Juan asks a fair question: where do the"rough edges" protrude on this apparently "smooth' team? 

I speak of the rough edges only because this team has shown that it can, at a minimum, make a deep run in the NCAA tournament this year; to help assure that eventuality: (1) the team has to keep working on its already-impressive transition game (this has been a real difference maker) but sometimes it seems we ease up a bit both in offensive and defensive transition, and (2) the team has a strong starting lineup, but needs to better incorporate 6 through 8 into the game (there is a lot of potential on the bench, especially if Katie is back to add another six-foot plus frame to the roster); this bench production will be needed in playoff scenarios, especially if, as the season goes on, the team kicks up its press and transition game.

The game on Wednesday against Moravian will offer a challenge to the Lady Royals' defense because the Greyhounds have both an inside and outside game. I am confident, however, that the spirit of the Jesuit Magis--that is, "the restless pursuit of excellence"--will be guiding the Lady Royals' endeavors.  I just wish more people would come out and watch this team; they are great kids and they deserve an admiring audience.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 17, 2016, 02:16:15 PM
Redrhino:

I think Trevor would be the first to agree that any team...especially one that he's coaching, that feels things are just about perfect, will end up getting a serious dose of reality.

There are always ways to improve both those areas that are currently working out pretty well as well as those aspects of their game that could be better.

With each victory the bullseye gets bigger & bigger & to keep the wins coming...even on off nights, other kids beyond the starters will need to elevate their games.

This team is way more enjoyable to watch than the mens team & it won't be long before the word is out & fans start flocking to the Long Center as they did when the Mellody & Matt duo were leading the Lady Royals to Elite 8's & Final Fours before packed houses.


If the ladies were to lose their remaining games, I would still feel this season was a huge success if for no other reason than to see the life, energy & passion that Trevor & the kids have brought back to this program.

As great as this ride has been this season, with all the players set to return next year plus the obvious choice of ROY and
Trevor's first opportunity to recruit, the future is extremely bright for Lady Royal basketball & the best is yet to come.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 18, 2016, 09:19:17 AM
Quote from: San Juan on January 17, 2016, 01:24:56 AM
The freshman scored 21points tonight with a bum knee.Triple double for Payonk never makes team of the week on d3hoops  and Roman dominated in side.Just a thought they need to brush up on rough edges where??????

They have to be nominated by the SID to get Team of the Week, just FYI.  If she's not getting it, that might be the reason.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 18, 2016, 01:57:59 PM
Absolutely horrible news coming out of Upstate NY & SUNY Geneseo today.
Makes wins & losses pretty much irrelevant.
The worst possible call any parents could ever receive.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 18, 2016, 08:29:27 PM

They got the column up quick - Wed preview: http://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-region/mid-atlantic/2015-16/landmark-scranton-moravian
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 18, 2016, 08:50:44 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 18, 2016, 08:29:27 PM

They got the column up quick - Wed preview: http://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-region/mid-atlantic/2015-16/landmark-scranton-moravian

Good job, Hoopsfan! Especially, getting action/reaction from both sides. Looking forward to the contest; little things(blocking out, overplaying passing lanes, etc.) are magnified under the stress of a game where every possession is meaningful.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on January 20, 2016, 10:18:03 PM
Question for Mr redrhino?Did Scranton smooth out those edges tonight?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 20, 2016, 10:47:36 PM

That was an incredibly dominant performance.  That third quarter was lock-down.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: redrhino on January 20, 2016, 10:57:15 PM
San Juan,

Those rough edges are getting smoother, aren't they?  The team is on a roll--but as the old adage goes:"you are either getting better (i.e., smoothing) or getting worse", so let's not turn off the  "smoothing machine" just yet.

But you gotta love this Lady Royals team!  An excellent win tonight against a very good Moravian side, especially considering the fact that Ms. Basketball rode the bench most of the first half due to early foul trouble. She still nearly posted a double-double.

Like many teams, Moravian had no answer whatsoever for Roman, and whenever they doubled her, Mann would go on a rampage.

Payonk, Roman, and Mann are the best starting threesome in the league--and Alicea and Gantz can also really play. Noelle took it to the hoop very effectively and Jackie hit some clutch shots and she rebounds the dickens out of the ball for a guard. So when I speak of rough edges, I am only trying to keep some perspective; as the wise Saratoga says: when you think "you are just about perfect" a large does of reality suddenly appears.

Moravian is very talented; McPherson is one heck of a darn player!!! Nevertheless,  all is well in Lady Royal land tonight.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 20, 2016, 11:32:03 PM
Sleep well Lady Royal fans...the kids are doing a fantastic job & Trevor has this team more prepaired than they've been in many, many years.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on January 21, 2016, 01:34:10 PM
I'm as ecstatic as any other Royal fan on or off this Board about the team's success !  Hold the line ! Stay the course !
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals81 on January 25, 2016, 08:17:27 PM
Very impressed with the Lady Royals play so far this season - how can you not be?
Trevor doesn't take any possessions off and he expects the same of his players. 
He really holds them accountable for their level of play.
Level of coaching is apparent when you take notice of his substitution patterns and how/when he utilizes his timeouts.
You can't help but notice how well the players respond and execute coming out of timeouts.  Clear direction given within 30 to 60 seconds.
Landmark opponents are now the one's having to make in-game adjustments rather than vice versa.  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 30, 2016, 10:12:59 PM
Lady Royals keep on getting it done even in a game that wasn't exactly a thing of beauty.
A little complacent at times but all things considered...a very nice win on the road.
Could have easily been a trap game for Scranton as the kids could have been looking past this game to Wednesday's game vs. Moravian.

At any rate...absolutely the worst officiated game of the year thus far.
This crew had to have at least 4 huddles to figure things out plus all the shadow calls for fouls then the knock to the floor no calls...this group should never, as in never, get an NCAA tournament game.
Not sure who they are but they belong in 8th grade CYO games.....maybe.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 31, 2016, 04:34:14 PM
There are just four weeks left in the regular season and teams are feeling the pressure to take care of business. Sunday night on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave McHugh talks to many coaches in the conference playoff mix. Whether they are trying to position themselves to stay at home for the tournament or just get into the playoffs, there is a lot on the line with less games to play.

You can watch Hoopsville starting at 7:00 PM ET here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/jan31

Tonight's guests include (in order):
- Brad Fischer, No. 11 UW-Oshkosh women's coach
- Casey Stitzel, Delaware Valley men's coach
- Mary Beth Spirk, Moravian women's coach (WBCA Center Court)
- Drew Gaeng, Hendrix women's coach
- Joe Reilly, No. 25 Wesleyan men's coach

You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
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iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087

Don't forget you can always interact with us:
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Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2016, 04:56:32 PM
For the third consecutive year, Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) will air for 12 hours as the regular season enters the final four weeks. Dave McHugh will chat with coaches, administrators, student-athletes, and others involved in Division III basketball from around the country. Other guests will include those who have Division III roots or appreciate the division and the game along with the student-athletes who play the sport.

Hoopsville will air from 10 a.m. to 10 p.m. (and maybe later) on Thursday, February 4 live from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can see what guests are scheduled, get more information, and watch the show here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/feb4

You can also read the press release about the show: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/hoopsville-marathon-2016

Here is the guest list as we speak. All times are Eastern and subject to change. Additional guests to be added if and when necessary:


   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
TimeGuestSchool
10:15amConnie TilleySt. Norbert (WBB) - WBCA Center Court
10:40amJamie PurdyPeidmont (WBB)
11:00amKeri CarolloUW-Whitewater (WBB) - Nat'l Committee Chair
11:20amBrent PollariSaint Mary's (Minn.) (WBB)
11:40amKent MadsenNo. 21 Wheaton (Ill.) (WBB)
12:00pmRussell LoydRose-Hulman (MBB)
12:20pmKevin BroderickNazareth (MBB)
12:40pmJustin ScottArcadia (MBB)
1:00pmSam HargravesNo. 12 Alma (MBB)
1:20pmLenny ReichMount Union (SID)
1:40pmMaureen WebsterClarkson (WBB)
2:00pmBetsy WitmanYork (Pa.) (WBB)
2:20pmSara LeeDenison (WBB)
2:40pmKlay KneuppelWisconsin Lutheran (MBB)
3:00pmBrian Van HaaftenBuena Vista (MBB) - Nat'l Committee Chair
3:30pmSydney MossNo. 1 Thomas More (WBB)
3:45pmAaron RousellBucknell (WBB) - former Chicago coach
4:00pmTim ShanahanStaten Island (WBB)
4:20Pat CunninghamTrinity (Texas) (MBB) - NABC Coach's Corner
4:50pmBubba SmithSewanee (MBB)
5:15pmBen StrongFormer Guilford All-American
5:30pmKevin ConnorsESPN SportsCenter Anchor - Ithaca alumnus
6:00pmKristen DowlingClaremont-Mudd-Scripps (WBB)
6:20pmAllison ColemanSage (WBB)
6:40pmLandry KosmalskiSwarthmore (MBB)
7:00pmDave NilandNo. 23 Penn State-Behrend (MBB)
7:20pmAaron GallettaLasell (MBB)
7:40pmJohn BaronGwynedd-Mercy (MBB)
8:00pm
8:20pm
8:40pmMelissa HodgdonWheaton (Mass.) (WBB)
9:00pmG.P. GromackiNo. 2 Amherst (WBB)
9:20pmJames Wagner
9:40pmHAPPY HOURFree-for-all of calls, tweets, and fun!

We hope to get at least the full show on a podcast, or several podcast, during the on Friday. You can find it here:
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087

Don't forget you can always interact with us:
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And a reminder the Hoopsville Fundraising Project has begun yet again. Please consider helping us cover Division III basketball the way it deserves to be covered. If you can not donate, please don't worry about - we understand. At least share the campaign with anyone you think might be interested: http://igg.me/at/hoopsville-fundraiser/x/6029509

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Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: redrhino on February 03, 2016, 09:19:34 PM
Moravian made a real game of it against our Lady Royals; but that was not that much of surprise; Mary Beth Spirk gets her teams ready.

Roman and Payonk were huge again--but let's give it up for Noelle Alicea who swished four clutch free throws in overtime to seal the deal; that was big time play from a senior.

This game was a test for the Lady Royals, and they passed it.

Congrats to a feisty and talented Moravian side for responding every time--and I mean every time--the Lady Royals started to create just a little breathing room. Those were some "hungry hounds" down there in Bethlehem tonight; and they certainly won my respect even if they did not win the game. If Moravian continues to play like they did tonight, they will win out through the remainder of the regular-season schedule. They are an impressive team!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on February 04, 2016, 12:35:27 AM
Mr Redrhino. You are absolutely right about Moravian and Mary Beth Spirks getting up for this game.The problem I see is that Moravian doesn't play that way against everyone else only Scranton.I just want to give a shout out also to Pedan who did a great job when Mann was in foul trouble and also Jackie Gantz what she did on defense against McPherson I think she had 0 pts and 4 fouls it was a great team effort as always.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 04, 2016, 06:58:21 AM
20-0. That coaching search debacle has really set back the Royals ::)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 04, 2016, 09:05:26 PM
NEPA:
And, they (UofS), are not only in trouble this year....next year will be worse!
Then again, when you're 20-0 & counting, it just may be tough to top this next season.
Anyone out there still thinking coaching doesn't make a difference?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 05, 2016, 09:06:22 AM
Quote from: saratoga on February 04, 2016, 09:05:26 PM
NEPA:
And, they (UofS), are not only in trouble this year....next year will be worse!
Then again, when you're 20-0 & counting, it just may be tough to top this next season.
Anyone out there still thinking coaching doesn't make a difference?
Maybe more schools will try to copy Scranton's search philosophy.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: redrhino on February 05, 2016, 10:40:32 AM
Yes, indeed-- a 20-0 record is outstanding at any level (and represents as everyone has been saying good coaching, good players, and good team cohesion). Here is the absolutely phenomenal thing about the Lady Royals remarkable tradition; this year's nationally-ranked, highly-celebrated team still needs a couple more victories to post an average win total for this program---by the way,  I have no doubt whatsoever that this team will record those victories and more.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 06, 2016, 05:05:30 PM
Lady Royals win but a very sloppy game.
Not exactly firing on all cylinders at the moment.
Stats aren't out yet but way too many open shots missed & far too many second chance shots allowed.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on February 06, 2016, 06:09:51 PM
Lady Royals win by 19 and shoot 48 pct from the field.I will take that every game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 06, 2016, 10:46:18 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 06, 2016, 05:05:30 PM
Lady Royals win but a very sloppy game.
Not exactly firing on all cylinders at the moment.
Stats aren't out yet but way too many open shots missed & far too many second chance shots allowed.

Yes, a bugaboo of mine - 19 offensive rebounds allowed; plenty of room for improvement, still.

Officially, they clinch a postseason conference tourney berth.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 06, 2016, 10:57:52 PM
San Juan:
Unfortunately....the Lady Royals are not going to be playing the likes of Juniata as they advance into the post season.
They need to do a better job hitting open shots, blocking out and keeping their foot on the accelerator.
Otherwise, their first loss may come at a most inopportune time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on February 06, 2016, 11:30:48 PM
Saratoga you are absolutely right about playing teams like Juniata in the playoffs.So the stats came out they had there worst night of shooting and still hitting 48 pct from the field. according to you.Expect some bad nights you can't win by 100 everygame.The bottom line is they are 21-0 and looking like a real contender.By the way you want to talk about bad shooting look at the ugly game Amherst 32 pct from the field and Tufts played 33pct that is ugly and Amherst lost.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on February 08, 2016, 10:23:35 AM
Make no mistake, I would love to see the Lady Royals go undefeated and win it all, however, Saratoga may be right about their past competition.  For example, I know there's a team only 2 hours away from them that would be very eager to play against and knock off the Lady Royals. FDU's Lady Devils are starting to find their way and I think their under-your-chin defense, aggressiveness, and the presence of S. Brown would more than enough to derail the Royals. Last year, Scranton beat Tufts. Who have they beaten of such caliber this season ? Then again, FDU has not beaten a premier team either.

I hope there's good weather for my pilgrimage to the Electric City this coming Saturday. Go Royals !!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on February 08, 2016, 12:18:26 PM
Sports fan big difference this year is that we have a coach that makes adjustment in the game.Scranton has alot of match up problems for teams we play great defense 7th in the Country,on offense they are 16th;they are 3rd overall just behind Thomas More and Amherst and there sos is 68th out of 400 and some.FDU is 110 offense 67 defense 110 overall and sos 220 I think before you worry about FDU getting there hands on Scranton you should worry about winning your divison.If you don't win the Freedom you might not get in.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on February 08, 2016, 02:09:25 PM
Since I was bored I went through the ncaa stats the ones I posted before where from Massey Ratings.This is from NCAA as of 2/4/16 Scranton scoring offense 47th 71.4per game,scoring defense 21st 51.7,field goal percentage 1st at 48.3 percent and rebound margin 22nd 9.1 so there is some stats.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on February 08, 2016, 04:03:33 PM
Quote from: San Juan on February 08, 2016, 12:18:26 PM
Sports fan big difference this year is that we have a coach that makes adjustment in the game.Scranton has alot of match up problems for teams we play great defense 7th in the Country,on offense they are 16th;they are 3rd overall just behind Thomas More and Amherst and there sos is 68th out of 400 and some.FDU is 110 offense 67 defense 110 overall and sos 220 I think before you worry about FDU getting there hands on Scranton you should worry about winning your divison.If you don't win the Freedom you might not get in.
San Juan: If a head to head ever happens, I agree that Scranton will probably have the edge in coaching. Also, based on the way DeSales shredded FDU in their first meeting (and the Lady Royals did the same to DeSales),  one has to wonder if the Devils will even make it to the Dance. My point is that the Purple and White have not played a team yet as quick, athletic, and aggressive as the Devils and will need to be physically tough and smart to beat them.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on February 08, 2016, 08:25:04 PM
I guess you didn't see the Lady Royals play in Vegas or most of there games!Because Scranton is also fast with there guards and the bigs can run to.See something Scranton has is height and you can't teach height bottom line.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on February 08, 2016, 08:27:11 PM
One other thing Scranton is very physical the stats don't lie
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 08, 2016, 11:31:42 PM
Just to make sure we're all on the same page...trust me, I love everything about the Lady Royals.

My only comment was that it appears they sometimes drift in & out of the game intensity wise & in big games, they'll need to nail the open shot a bit more than they have been.

They are currently the # 4 team in the country (when was the last time they were rated this high?), and Trevor clearly is in control of this team & does his best to keep them ready for every possession.

If they stay focused, even in the games they get a decent lead, they'll be fine.
Just need to keep running their offense & keep the defensive pressure on.

Still a lot of basketball to be played & I think the memory of blasting Catholic by about 25 in the last regular season game last year & then just 1 week later losing to the very same Cardinal team for the Landmark championship by 1 has to be on their minds.

Right now they'll be the number 1 Regional team in the Mid-Atlantic & that's exactly where you want to be this time of year so those home tournament games come your way.

They've earned everything by working exceptionally hard with fantastic leadership.
They have shown that even on some nights when the shots aren't falling, if they keep the defensive pressure on...they'll win.

Totally a team effort to get this far...a team effort to keep it going.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2016, 02:36:50 PM
Alright, folks -- the NCAA's first women's basketball regional rankings are posted. Check out the full list from D3hoops.com:
http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2016/02/10/first-2016-regional-rankings-released-today/
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on February 10, 2016, 09:45:36 PM
Congratulations to Sarah Payonk for her 2nd triple double of the year and also to the whole team.Keep it up Ladies and take it one game at a time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 10, 2016, 11:54:22 PM
 Lady Royals clinch #1 seed in conference tourney.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 14, 2016, 02:35:34 PM
The best part of coach Woodruff's interview with John Mendola yesterday was that it was on the radio.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on February 15, 2016, 10:42:13 AM
On all levels, it was a great day at the Long Center on Saturday. Although I'm still waiting for them to beat a Top 20 team, I agree with all on this board that the Lady Royals are a very good team. In my opinion, the biggest year to year improvements I noticed are: (1) Overall conditioning of the players, especially Roman; (2) The maturity level and leadership of the seniors; (3) the addition of Mann - she's a great talent.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 17, 2016, 07:39:03 PM
So far in the first half it's very clear that the Lady Royals have much, much work to do before the playoffs.
A very sloppy game with far too many unforced turnovers.
If some kids can't step up and nail some open looks, teams will start playing them 5 on 2.
Talk about playing down to the competition.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: redrhino on February 17, 2016, 09:03:39 PM
It's sad, but Saratoga is right. The Lady Royals will have to bring another level of play with them to Washington D.C. this weekend. The team's talent is evident, but focus does not seem to be there at the time of year when focus is most important.

I am sure that the team does not want to carry a perfect record all the way through the schedule only to lose it in the last regular season game. We will see how they come out against Catholic.

On the upside, Katie Feehery brought some game off the bench, 6 points, 5 rebounds, a couple of blocks in thirteen minutes of action--I like what this young women brings to the court.

Here's hoping the team regains its form against the Cardinals; they are better than Catholic but will need to be ready to play with intensity.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 17, 2016, 11:01:37 PM
 Coach Donohue has beaten Scranton a number of times with a talent disadvantage, so I look for another stern test Saturday. 9 turnovers for the regulars in half a game against MMA, 14 offensive rebounds allowed, and only 6 shots for Alexix were the major areas of concern.
On MMA's behalf, I will say that this was the most competitive MMA team that Scranton has played. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals81 on February 18, 2016, 12:04:57 AM
Dave,

Per your post from a few days ago on the Men's Landmark page regarding Scranton's coaching search:

"As for Scranton... I thought then, and I currently think, they handled it poorly. I think they have been saved by bringing in Dave Martin who brought in, kind of, Trevor Woodruff. If you have read the boards, you will see I have stated this often - even stated it on Hoopsville. That decision doesn't change how I felt it was working out at the beginning - or middle. And while I know Trevor is working hard at recruiting, I do worry they will have a bit of a lull."

Could you expand on your last statement?  Why do you think the Lady Royals might have a "bit of a lull" in recruiting? 
Back in September, I thought much the same but now I'm not sure how much of a recruiting dropoff will occur given Coach Woodruff's strong performance.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 18, 2016, 12:15:40 AM
It was regarding comments I made last spring and summer per the slow hiring and reopening of the coach search. I fear/feared that there would be a lull in recruiting because by the time a coach got the job, the last think they would have time to focus on was recruiting. So while the team may not suffer immediately with the talent they have, they may have a few lean years to get back up and running. Not to mention the fact, the craziness of the entire hiring process had a lot of stories going around that could hurt them.

That was all before Dave Martin and then Trevor Woodruff were hired. Certainly things have changed, but the next few years will be interesting to watch. I have thought that Scranton put themselves through some unneeded challenges.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 18, 2016, 12:42:35 AM
Quote from: Royals81 on February 18, 2016, 12:04:57 AM
Dave,

Per your post from a few days ago on the Men's Landmark page regarding Scranton's coaching search:

"As for Scranton... I thought then, and I currently think, they handled it poorly. I think they have been saved by bringing in Dave Martin who brought in, kind of, Trevor Woodruff. If you have read the boards, you will see I have stated this often - even stated it on Hoopsville. That decision doesn't change how I felt it was working out at the beginning - or middle. And while I know Trevor is working hard at recruiting, I do worry they will have a bit of a lull."

Could you expand on your last statement?  Why do you think the Lady Royals might have a "bit of a lull" in recruiting? 
Back in September, I thought much the same but now I'm not sure how much of a recruiting dropoff will occur given Coach Woodruff's strong performance.


  In reality, Trevor has negated the reason with the visible progress and success of the season and he's expended much effort in reducing the effects of the late start, such that if the recruits choose other schools this year, it will not have been because of anything lacking in the bball program. One could even see an acceleration in recruiting in view of the most recent 2 classes that preceded him. I'm optimistic but we'll know better in September.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 18, 2016, 12:52:02 AM
Clearly, Trevor has done a good job on the floor and he tells me he has been working harder than probably expected to make up the gap in recruiting. That is a good sign. The saving grace, as I have said before, is that Dave Martin and then Trevor Woodruff were hired. Too bad it took a long time of problems to get there.

Of course, they also have ronk recruiting for them... not sure that's fair in the grand scheme of things. LOL Just kidding... you are a good asset for them.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 18, 2016, 08:01:02 AM

Christopher Newport had essentially the same timeline with their last coaching hire (interim for one year, then a late summer hire) - talking to Bill there he said they basically went two years with no recruiting at all - which is evidence in their roster now, which has zero recruited juniors or seniors.  All their minutes go to first and second year players.

Scranton's probably got a more well known name, which should help, but I too suspect a bit of a lag.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 18, 2016, 09:32:07 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 18, 2016, 08:01:02 AM

Christopher Newport had essentially the same timeline with their last coaching hire (interim for one year, then a late summer hire) - talking to Bill there he said they basically went two years with no recruiting at all - which is evidence in their roster now, which has zero recruited juniors or seniors.  All their minutes go to first and second year players.

Scranton's probably got a more well known name, which should help, but I too suspect a bit of a lag.

Bill is a tireless recruiter; I once waited 30 mins to talk with a prospect that he got to first and finally gave up. He has a couple of my former prospects currently on his team.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 18, 2016, 10:51:35 AM
I love my fellow Royal Faithful, but the women are 24-0 , enjoy it...I am sure they'll be up for future games. Do you have any reason to believe otherwise?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on February 18, 2016, 02:12:55 PM
Believe me there will not be a lull at all next season or future seasons.The Lady Royals will be fine with recruits and maybe a big surprise coming in.Will not say anymore so keep thinking to yourselves there will be a lull.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 18, 2016, 06:57:03 PM
Ronk:
Just out of curiosity...what do you mean when you use the term "prospect & recruit"?
For whom?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 18, 2016, 09:05:41 PM
 Saratoga,
    I use prospect to mean a player that I'd like to see in a Scranton uniform; a recruit is a prospect that the coaching staff(W-Trevor,M-Ryan van Zelst) has contacted in a serious attempt at fulfilling that vision, whether they're my prospects or ones the coaching staff has found on their own. Recruits turn out to be successful or unsuccessful(from a Scranton standpoint) depending upon whether or not they choose Scranton. Most of the prospects choose scholarship schools(D1/D2). Early in the cycle, I generally look for someone who'll make an impact or is capable of starting; later, as those prospects choose other schools, I might add someone who's at least better than our returning reserves.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 19, 2016, 09:13:09 AM
ronk,

Do you tend to pursue the kids that are more talented and likely to commit to D1/2, while the coaching staff plays it a little safer and goes after the solid D3 kids? 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: redrhino on February 19, 2016, 11:01:58 AM
Swish asks an interesting question, and I anxiously await Ronk's reply.

I do believe that the truly elite D3 programs put a lot of effort into recruiting lower end D1 and D2-type players, and as a quick review of the rosters of these teams show, they land a fair number of these kids. You cannot win a D3 national championship without having some D1-level players on your team.   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 19, 2016, 12:03:37 PM
 Generally, I'd say that I've been more ambitious(or less realistic) than the coaching staff(women's) in the level of ability that I'm trying to interest in Scranton. For example, there's probably 10 playing in the Patriot League now that fall in that category.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 19, 2016, 12:40:32 PM
San Juan, check your PMs please.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 20, 2016, 09:19:06 AM
Thanks Ronk.
I wasn't sure what the deal was as sometimes I'd see you state that one of your "prospects" was going to Amherst, one was at Lehigh etc. etc.
Hope some of your leads pay off.

I have heard that the energy Trevor has brought to the basketball program regarding his ability to contact, visit, entertain and just plain recruit is non-stop.

I'm taking a different view than dmac on the Lady Royals prospects for keeping this program moving forward.
What Trevor has done this year alone gives me all the faith in the world that this program is back and they'll be no slowing it down due to recruiting lulls.
Those gaps have already taken place by fairly low average recruiting classes the previous 4 years.
Obviously, there was some talent that was brought in in each class, but nothing like years ago when 4 or 5 really skilled kids came in each year.

Trevor has taken the best of that remaining talent and helped them get to a point where none of us thought they could ever reach.
There is no possibly way that any of us that follow this team could have ever, even in our most delusional ideation, have ever envisioned this team at the start of the year being on the cusp of an undefeated regular season.

How many of us would have jumped at the chance to be 20-5 overall at the start of the year & perhaps 13-3 in the conference?
Whatever happens from this point out is all gravy...these kids & this coach have have put together a season for the ages...and with a little luck, they could very well become the team with the longest undefeated streak at a school known for winning a few games.

Should be a playoff atmosphere at Catholic today...here's hoping these kids put it all together and keep on improving.
Huge game for both teams for both similar & different reasons.




Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: redrhino on February 20, 2016, 12:45:27 PM
Yes, Saratoga. And here is what I think may make this season "historic" in yet another way: it is pretty easy to imagine Landmark player of the year, rookie of the year, and coach of the year all going to Scranton, especially if the Lady Royals beat Catholic today--Sarah Payonk deserves POY for more than the apparent reasons; Ms. Triple-Double is as well-balanced in the components of her human character as she is on the stat sheet--she has also stepped up and become a great floor leader, and she is a presidential scholar to boot. An exceptional kid in an exceptional program.

And it seems that there would have to be a federal investigation if Mann is not ROY and Woodruff not COY (wonderful acronym).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 20, 2016, 02:08:04 PM
I hope they don't take GPA into account for the COY.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 20, 2016, 10:37:52 PM
 Congrats to the Lady Royals defeating Catholic in perhaps their best game of the season and setting a new team record for consecutive wins from the start of the season.If Catholic beats MMA tomorrow, Catholic is the 3rd seed and Susquehanna the 4th(by winning both head-to-heads with E-town.  If Catholic loses to MMA tomorrow, Catholic will tie with Susquehanna and E-town for 3rd seed; Susquehanna gets 3rd seed with 3-1 record vs 2-2 for Catholic and 1-3 for E-town. This implies that Catholic gets the 4th seed.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: redrhino on February 20, 2016, 11:26:04 PM

Congrats to the Lady Royals on finishing the regular season undefeated. They accomplished this special feat by posting a statement win against a team that had lost just once at home this season.

Scranton certainly looked like a nationally-ranked team, shooting well over 60 percent. The Lady Royals seemed poised to launch a post-season crusade. Hope that fans turnout for Wednesday's game--the team has earned some love!

Mann again showed why she is the clear ROY. Roman was in top form; Alicea drained "dagger in your gut" threes.

Payonk for President!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 22, 2016, 08:04:27 PM
Redrhino:

If Sarah's on the ballot, she's got my vote.
In fact, even if she isn't, we'll write her in.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on February 22, 2016, 10:40:08 PM
Red rhino I agree 100%  with everything in your post.The bench is really also playing well for the Lady Royals.Like I said they will not beat every team by 100 and I am sure everyone on this board but one thing I can say is that the difference this year is coaching.Early in the season he put these young ladies  at check and guess what it worked out for the best for the team and they bought into his system.What a difference he makes compared to last year's coach never made adjustments and never put those ladies in check.If he had Lindsay, Meredith and leah the team what have went farther then it did.One other thing he had a great core of ladies to begin with so why other people think it would be a bad year I thought differently Payonk has to be the best all around player to ever play the game wearing a Lady Royals uniform,Roman like I mentioned to the coaches last year should have been in the lineup,Gantz and Alicea what else can you say about those two great defenders and all around do the little things to win the game.Don't get me wrong they can light any team up on any given night,then we get to the freshman Mann next Halpin in the making she is just a player that never gets rattled and finally the bench Rizzo most improved player this year big lift of the bench,Pedan great point guard(I love when he brings her in and moves Mann to the 2 the lady can play ball,Oreilly pure shooter,Broderick very good player that can shoot and pass very well and Fearhy big strong girl that can hit that 10,12,14 foot shot or play underneath and the rest of the bench are freshman and they will be good under coach in another year.Hope I didn't miss anyone.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 23, 2016, 12:06:50 PM
If Scranton can get through the Landmark Playoffs. Scranton fans(if the Lady Royals keep winning) could see their team thru to final four on their home court.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2016, 03:38:15 PM
Quote from: mailsy on February 23, 2016, 12:06:50 PM
If Scranton can get through the Landmark Playoffs. Scranton fans(if the Lady Royals keep winning) could see their team thru to final four on their home court.

Well, I think they're doing the elite eight and semifinals in one spot, with the championship in Indiana to coincide with the D1 game this year, as they did for the men a few seasons back, but point taken.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 23, 2016, 03:57:00 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 23, 2016, 03:38:15 PM
Quote from: mailsy on February 23, 2016, 12:06:50 PM
If Scranton can get through the Landmark Playoffs. Scranton fans(if the Lady Royals keep winning) could see their team thru to final four on their home court.

Well, I think they're doing the elite eight and semifinals in one spot, with the championship in Indiana to coincide with the D1 game this year, as they did for the men a few seasons back, but point taken.

No, the elite 8 are still  part of the sectionals on campus; the semis are in Columbus.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2016, 05:15:59 PM
Quote from: mailsy on February 23, 2016, 12:06:50 PM
If Scranton can get through the Landmark Playoffs. Scranton fans(if the Lady Royals keep winning) could see their team thru to final four on their home court.

As long as the men don't somehow get into a position to host the first weekend. I doubt it will be the case due to their ranking last week (and assuming this week), but I do usually like to put that out there just as a heads up.

Quote from: ronk on February 23, 2016, 03:57:00 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 23, 2016, 03:38:15 PM
Quote from: mailsy on February 23, 2016, 12:06:50 PM
If Scranton can get through the Landmark Playoffs. Scranton fans(if the Lady Royals keep winning) could see their team thru to final four on their home court.

Well, I think they're doing the elite eight and semifinals in one spot, with the championship in Indiana to coincide with the D1 game this year, as they did for the men a few seasons back, but point taken.

No, the elite 8 are still  part of the sectionals on campus; the semis are in Columbus.

This is correct... the first two weekends of the tournament will be conducted as "normal" with two rounds of games on a school site. The final four will take place on Saturday, March 19 at Capital University - it will be conducted and treated just like any other championship weekend with a championship dinner, community service, etc. just no consolation game. And the championship will be played 16 days later in Indianapolis.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 23, 2016, 09:08:18 PM
I love the sound of hosting on back to back weekends (just like we used to), however; let's not get too far ahead of ourselves.

What transpired last season under the former staff...the one that never started one of this years more dominating inside forces, is still pretty fresh.

Still need to lace them up & play the game.

Although I will admit, even if the Lady Royals are upset along the way, I'll never leave feeling they were out-coached, out-hustled or unprepared.

That fact alone has already made this season an immeasurable pleasure regardless of where they go from here.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals81 on February 23, 2016, 10:24:49 PM
Saratoga,

What I remember most about last year's abbreviated post-season run by the Lady Royals - besides 2 losses by a combined 3 points on our home court - was thinking to myself - if only Sarah could have been on the court for 3 or 4 more minutes each of those games. Because of early fouls, she only played 29 minutes against Catholic (3 fouls) and 27 minutes against Eastern Connecticut (5 fouls).  Sarah's playing time last year against the better Landmark opponents was often 32 or more minutes per game.  There's no question that having Sarah on the court makes everyone better. 

I also went back to check last year's statistics based on the 2nd line of your post - very telling - Alexix had 28 GP with 0 GS.
What a difference a year makes!   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: redrhino on February 24, 2016, 08:59:33 PM
On Saturday, Catholic will be heading to Scranton to try to re-live last season and steal yet another championship at the Long Center. Lady Royals are going to be ready this year. Oh, Boy! Get your tickets early.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 25, 2016, 12:30:09 AM
 Lady Royals better be ready for Catholic; I don't think Coach Donohue played all his "Cards" in the season final against Scranton last Saturday. Look for some defensive help this time against Alexix.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: redrhino on February 27, 2016, 08:56:06 PM
Ronk,

You and I were both right. The Lady Royals were ready for Catholic; and Coach Donahuedid reduce the scoring punch of Alexix Roman with some wicked double-teams. Donahue is an excellent coach and he has a fine team.

I must now say, however, that any University of Scranton sports fan who is not proud of this Lady Royals' team needs to have his or her mental wiring checked. Catholic came out of the gate at a furious pace; and played at a level that would have plowed under a lot of teams. The U of S kids were simply superlative in the second half.

Alexix is held down a bit, so Noelle racks up 20 points, Payonk pours in mid-range the jumpers, and Mann registers 17.

Ladies and gentlemen, this is a TEAM; and one with a chemistry the likes of which the Long Center has probably not really seen before--yes, Scranton has developed teams with great chemistry in the past--but what we are seeing here is almost something uncanny, if not unprecedented, with respect to "team bond" and cohesive affection among  a family of athletes.

At the end of today's game, both coach and players shed copious tears--not just because of the win--but because they knew how special this entire enterprise has been. Certainly, the Lady Royals are very talented, and they do have a great young coach--and Scranton should receive Landmark COY, POY, and ROY honors and all of that--but the big factor in their remarkable success finally struck me today (and I must have been numb not to sense it before); the truth is simply this: teams that love, respect,  and care for each other thismuch are flat out hard to beat.[i/i]
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 28, 2016, 08:25:14 AM
Redrhino:

Absolutely right on the money. Plus karma.

A wise old coach once told me that when you have a boatload of talented

& gifted athletes, they sometimes think they know the way to their destination better than the person next to them.

Unfortunately, what happens when everyone thinks they've got the answer and you've got minimal leadership, you find yourself going in 20 different directions & the boat goes around in circles.

However, when you bring in a true leader to direct that group, they'll soon see there is a correct way to get things done to the benefit of everyone, and soon you'll be sailing in the right direction from point A to point B & you'll be able to navigate all the turbulent waters that will be before you with calm and respect.

That great "old" coach also prepared Mike Strong and many years later saw those same leadership & personal qualities in Dave Martin & Trevor Woodruff & brought them into his fold.

The difference this season for the Royals, beyond the talented young ladies on the team, is the leadership & direction coming from their head coach. The players are all working together to pick each other up when some new wrinkles are thrown at them & their focus remains on the task at hand.

What these kids have accomplished this season is a thing of beauty.
What their coaching staff has accomplished is a work of art.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: redrhino on February 28, 2016, 12:48:59 PM
Saratoga,

Yes, Trevor Woodruff is a coaching artist--and I think he would agree that the senior leadership of Ms. Gantz and Ms. Alicea has also helped develop this team's singular bond.

As you say, it is all a thing of beauty! These Lady Royals are one of the best "all-for-one and one-for-all" sports teams I have ever seen; they would happily surrender half their hindquarters for each other--and an empathy like that is even more beautiful than a Sarah Payonk back-door pass.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on February 28, 2016, 02:44:38 PM
I think I am the one that has been saying that all year long.So start sending karma my way lol.Go lady Royals
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on February 28, 2016, 09:26:33 PM
The trip to Srantonia was well worth it..... The Lady Royals were pumped as were us fans...I still stand by my last assessment of this very good team: (1) Overall conditioning of the players, especially Roman; (2) The maturity level & leadership of the seniors; (3) the addition of Mann ....

Here's hoping the Purple team can fend off the giant-killers get to another Final 4...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 28, 2016, 09:30:06 PM
 NCAA selection show @ 2:30 PM(videostreamed) tomorrow to find out who's in Scranton's pod.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 28, 2016, 11:49:59 PM
Just a guess for the sake of guessing regarding the Scranton Pod:

Game 1:
Christopher Newport...Capitol AC (at large) vs. Lehman... City Univ. of NY (Champion)


Game 2:
McDaniel...Centennial Conf. (at large) vs. Scranton...Landmark (Champion).

Regardless of who is slated to arrive, all the very best to the Lady Royals.

spOrtsfan: Right you are on the conditioning factor between this year & last.
One of the numerous positive differences!





Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 29, 2016, 01:00:42 AM
Quote from: saratoga on February 28, 2016, 11:49:59 PM
Just a guess for the sake of guessing regarding the Scranton Pod:

Game 1:
Christopher Newport...Capitol AC (at large) vs. Lehman... City Univ. of NY (Champion)


Game 2:
McDaniel...Centennial Conf. (at large) vs. Scranton...Landmark (Champion).

Regardless of who is slated to arrive, all the very best to the Lady Royals.

spOrtsfan: Right you are on the conditioning factor between this year & last.
One of the numerous positive differences!

Two things:
- they won't want that many from the same region at Scranton. CNU and McDaniel along with Scranton all Mid-Atlantics. They will break that up and get more diversity.
- McDaniel has no chance of getting an at-large bid - of course, I/we (Pat and I) said that last year and were wrong, but there are four more losses this year to be pretty sure of.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 29, 2016, 03:29:16 PM
 Lady Royals host WPI and former coaches(Kate Pearson-Cabrini) and Steph Witko-Marymount asst in the other game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 29, 2016, 03:42:52 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 29, 2016, 03:29:16 PM
Lady Royals host WPI and former coaches(Kate Pearson-Cabrini) and Steph Witko-Marymount asst in the other game.

WPI seems to be a strong 1st round opponent?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 29, 2016, 04:03:11 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 29, 2016, 03:42:52 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 29, 2016, 03:29:16 PM
Lady Royals host WPI and former coaches(Kate Pearson-Cabrini) and Steph Witko-Marymount asst in the other game.

WPI seems to be a strong 1st round opponent?

No, they haven't played anyone good; SOS of .463; did beat Kings by 19 on a neutral court.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 29, 2016, 04:08:34 PM
Agree.
For a undefeated host...was hoping for someone with a few more blemishes.

Oh well.

Kind of neat that a former all time great player & a former Lady Royal coach will be going head to head on Friday.

So much for Dave's suggestion that the NCAA doesn't want that many from the same Region playing at Scranton.
How does 3 of the 4 teams sound...inclusive of one we play each year?
Not feeling the diversity here, Dave.

As I said, when it comes down to the Selection Committee following their own plans...buyer beware.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 29, 2016, 04:18:10 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 29, 2016, 04:08:34 PM
Agree.
For a undefeated host...was hoping for someone with a few more blemishes.

Oh well.

Kind of neat that a former all time great player & a former Lady Royal coach will be going head to head on Friday.

So much for Dave's suggestion that the NCAA doesn't want that many from the same Region playing at Scranton.
How does 3 of the 4 teams sound...inclusive of one we play each year?
Not feeling the diversity here, Dave.

As I said, when it comes down to the Selection Committee following their own plans...buyer beware.

Cabrini did get moved to the Atlantic Region this year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on February 29, 2016, 04:44:54 PM
I am undecided!should I go to Ohio or stay home and see the Ladies.This is the part that tears me up!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 29, 2016, 05:29:17 PM
Quote from: San Juan on February 29, 2016, 04:44:54 PM
I am undecided!should I go to Ohio or stay home and see the Ladies.This is the part that tears me up!

Looks like 1/2 hour north of Columbus - that's 7 1/2 hours for me; looks like I'll go see the ladies instead. The last 2 years, they've shown the video of the men's game in the DeNaples Center and then we walk over and watch the women play the late game. The women are the more likely to be playing the 2nd weekend, too. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 29, 2016, 05:37:18 PM
Ronk:
Same for me...I'll try & see what I can of the men's online & get to the women's game.
Good call on Cabrini now in the Atlantic.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 29, 2016, 11:48:11 PM
Actually... Cabrini has been in the Atlantic Region for a few years now... they moved the same year Catholic and half of the Landmark got put back in the Mid-Atlantic. Last season was the first with the new regional set-up, this is the second.

And the women's committee was hit or miss with their pods being creative. Some of them were very nice, some others disappointing.

It sounds like they took the part about no one who has a team involved being part of the call to the extreme. There were up to three coaches or more off the call at any one time even during bracketing (Committee Chair basically barely took part the entire night). Whereas the men didn't have one coach come off the call because none of them were involved. This is the extreme in both cases and I think it needs to be looked into. I completely understand not worrying about someone getting an unfair advantage when it comes to their own team... but to have half the committee forced off the call seems a bit too much.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 01, 2016, 12:41:37 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 29, 2016, 11:48:11 PM
Actually... Cabrini has been in the Atlantic Region for a few years now... they moved the same year Catholic and half of the Landmark got put back in the Mid-Atlantic. Last season was the first with the new regional set-up, this is the second.

And the women's committee was hit or miss with their pods being creative. Some of them were very nice, some others disappointing.

It sounds like they took the part about no one who has a team involved being part of the call to the extreme. There were up to three coaches or more off the call at any one time even during bracketing (Committee Chair basically barely took part the entire night). Whereas the men didn't have one coach come off the call because none of them were involved. This is the extreme in both cases and I think it needs to be looked into. I completely understand not worrying about someone getting an unfair advantage when it comes to their own team... but to have half the committee forced off the call seems a bit too much.

Yes, because theoretically, everyone could be involved and forced off the call in a given year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2016, 12:51:34 AM
Actually, no in theory. Half of the committees are administrators and they don't carry the same rules as coaches from what I have been told. I know there was a situation last year with Randolph-Macon. I do NOT believe Jeff Burns (committee chair) was forced to remove himself if they were an at-large or during bracketing if they were involved. I believe this is the case because it is felt administrators have a more neutral point of view if they are serving on NCAA committees in the first place. They may be from a team, but they certainly have more experience and training in being bigger thinkers than just being hyper-focused on their own team. However, I do know Jeff took measures to make sure things were on the up and up and should a decision arise that could involved RMC, he chose not to participate or be a vote in the decision (per my administrators point).

Also, some administrators are actually conference commissioners... so I think the chances of having everyone off the call is not possible.

One idea I thought was in play in the past is have a second person from each RAC be the assistant representative of the region. Should the RAC chair have to be removed because their team is in "play," then have the second person step into their roll and proceed. They would have to remain up to speed on a lot of things, so this may make it too complicated to basically have a 16-person national committee, but it's an idea.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 01, 2016, 11:40:32 PM
And then there were 2:

My quote from Oct 29, 2015:

Preseason poll is out; Royals r 16th in others receiving votes. They scrimmage #5 NYU Saturday. Don't think there will be 40 teams ahead of them in the poll by the end of the season.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on March 02, 2016, 05:20:09 PM
Congratulations to Payonk(poy),Mann (roy),Roman (first team)and especially to coach Woodruff named(coy) in the Landmark conference.Great job Lady Royals keep it going!!!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 05, 2016, 10:44:31 AM
Congratulations again to the Lady Royals as they continue to roll.

Only questionable call in an otherwise flawless season is why the game is at 5:00 today rather than 7:00 like so many other schools have set their championship games??

I think it should be pretty apparent by now for anyone watching that the Royals are a much better draw for evening games.

Should they be fortunate enough to win today & host again next weekend, let's hope the
Sat. game is set for 7:00 if the Lady Royals are playing for a Final Four berth.

Otherwise, then can have the "other" two teams play at noon on Parade day for all I care.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 05, 2016, 04:10:04 PM
Scranton must have asked for the earlier time for some reason. It pretty is stated in the handbook it is to be 7pm game time. However, it is a bit of a looser definition in the women's handbook than the men's handbook. But I am pretty sure the NCAA and committee didn't ask for that time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on March 05, 2016, 11:13:05 PM
Dave what are the chances the Lady Royals host next week?My thoughts are they will but what are your thoughts?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 05, 2016, 11:29:08 PM
Actually really good... at first I thought Tufts would get it because both are #1s regionally ranked teams and I thought Tufts was a better pick... BUT CNU can't get to Tufts without a flight... so I am going with Scranton now.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on March 05, 2016, 11:38:28 PM
Thanks Dave big weekend in Scranton this weekend with the St Patrick's day parade you will easily see at least 50 to 100 thousand people in Scranton this weekend 3rd largest parade in the country behind Boston and New York.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 05, 2016, 11:48:32 PM
They do it before St. Patrick's Day?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on March 06, 2016, 08:59:31 AM
Yes it is this weekend and all the bars open at 9 am wild weekend in Scranton.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 06, 2016, 10:40:20 AM
San Juan happy you didn't travel to Ohio?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 06, 2016, 10:45:31 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 06, 2016, 10:40:20 AM
San Juan happy you didn't travel to Ohio?

He wouldn't have missed the 10-3 lead that Scranton had. ::)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on March 06, 2016, 11:23:44 AM
I thought hard about going but I decided why go!As you know I am a big supporter of the UofS basketball programs!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on March 06, 2016, 02:22:05 PM
Scranton host yes!!!!!!For fans coming to Scranton I advise you to call for a hotel immediately rather then wait.There will be alot of people in the city this weekend and they take up alot of hotels.If you can't find one in Scranton. Hotel location are avaliable in Montage Moutain in Moosic Clark Summit or Dickson City.The 2 that are within walking distance is Radison (old train station beautiful)Hilton right around the corner.Many great eaterys to
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 06, 2016, 06:59:28 PM
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Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 07, 2016, 06:02:46 PM
Another 5pm start Saturday . Most of Scranton will be passed out by then! ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 07, 2016, 07:14:22 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 07, 2016, 06:02:46 PM
Another 5pm start Saturday . Most of Scranton will be passed out by then! ;D

Yes, if the Lady Royals are playing, it will be the 2nd parade of the day-the students trying to make their way to their seats after celebrating all day in downtown. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 08, 2016, 12:07:51 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 07, 2016, 06:02:46 PM
Another 5pm start Saturday . Most of Scranton will be passed out by then! ;D

There are a surprising number of games earlier than 7pm last weekend... but again, I remind you that women's basketball's handbook is not as specific with start times as the men's side. Scranton is most likely asking for these earlier times. NCAA usually just signs off on it. Check with them as to why.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 08, 2016, 08:28:17 AM
What's the word on the Lady Captains from the Scranton perspective, ronk?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on March 08, 2016, 09:23:39 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 08, 2016, 12:07:51 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 07, 2016, 06:02:46 PM
Another 5pm start Saturday . Most of Scranton will be passed out by then! ;D

There are a surprising number of games earlier than 7pm last weekend... but again, I remind you that women's basketball's handbook is not as specific with start times as the men's side. Scranton is most likely asking for these earlier times. NCAA usually just signs off on it. Check with them as to why.

It's probably Carl Danzig's fault that the game is at 5:00.

Just to be sure, I think everyone should call Trevor to see why they chose to play at that time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 08, 2016, 10:06:20 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 08, 2016, 08:28:17 AM
What's the word on the Lady Captains from the Scranton perspective, ronk?

     I haven't seen CNU play this year but did follow them last year when Lauren Cox was the PG. However, since this year's team is SO/FR, most of that knowledge is irrelevant.
    Have a lot of respect for Coach Broderick as an aggressive coach, both in playing and recruiting. When I met him at an AAU tourney 2? years ago, I thought his shirt said CMU(Carnegie-Mellon) instead and I introduced myself because 2 of my former prospects were starting for them(they're on the other side of this year's bracket playing Wash U), so we had a laugh over that. Once waited 30 mins to talk with a prospect that he had gotten to first. Finallly, I gave up.
     I am familiar with some of the current players(Makenzie Fancher, Jess Deguilh, Brooke Basinger).
     Expecting a good game. Enjoy the weekend in Scranton. One of the great weekends in D3(Scranton hosting the sectional NCAA and the St.Patrick's parade/celebration); we did it 3 years in a row (2005-7), but UMW spoiled the 3rd year by winning the sweet 16 game and breaking our 70? game home court streak.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 08, 2016, 10:46:03 AM
Lauren's at UVA now; she was pretty good, but I think Fancher is better all around, given her ability to score.  Broderick has done an excellent job, and I expect the girls to be very tough as long as he's at CNU...I have no doubt that he's a relentless recruiter, which is obviously a huge part of having a successful program.  It will be interesting to see if the young Lady Captains can sustain their level of play from last weekend and compete for forty minutes against a dominant program on their home court...since I tend to follow the men more closely, and with CNU being a recent mid-atlantic transplant, I was not aware of how special the Lady Royals program was/is.  Honestly, I think CNU is a year away from winning a game of this magnitude, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's close...I won't be there this weekend, but perhaps one day?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 08, 2016, 10:55:49 AM
  It's a small world - was talking with a prospect in early January just after the Scranton men had handed CNU its only loss of the year. Didn't know it at the time but she has an older brother that plays for CNU; won't be surprised if she shows up wearing CNU next year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 08, 2016, 11:18:52 AM
Interesting...well, if she's one of your prospects, she must be good, so I'm sure she'd be welcome at CNU! ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 08, 2016, 11:32:27 AM

This is really going to tests Scranton's bench.  I know Trevor is a little worried about depth, especially now that they're getting into the thick of things.  One thing CNU has is a lot of bodies to throw at you - and they're tall and quick.

I'm more excited for this game than any other on Friday - men or women.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 08, 2016, 01:36:07 PM
Should be a good one...are you going to be there, or just watching from home?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 08, 2016, 03:19:45 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 08, 2016, 10:46:03 AM
Lauren's at UVA now; she was pretty good, but I think Fancher is better all around, given her ability to score.  Broderick has done an excellent job, and I expect the girls to be very tough as long as he's at CNU...I have no doubt that he's a relentless recruiter, which is obviously a huge part of having a successful program.  It will be interesting to see if the young Lady Captains can sustain their level of play from last weekend and compete for forty minutes against a dominant program on their home court...since I tend to follow the men more closely, and with CNU being a recent mid-atlantic transplant, I was not aware of how special the Lady Royals program was/is.  Honestly, I think CNU is a year away from winning a game of this magnitude, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's close...I won't be there this weekend, but perhaps one day?

Yes, Lauren was challenged scoringwise, but I liked every other aspect of her PG play and think Scranton's chances would have been even better if she had been our PG last year, this year, and next year. SPECULATION on my part.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on March 08, 2016, 03:28:28 PM
WPI #3 in defense Marymount #4 in defense I think they through everything and the kitchen sink against the Lady Royals and they held up pretty good against.One thing I have to say about these Royals they are tough they can go 36 to 40 minutes a game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: San Juan on March 08, 2016, 09:12:59 PM
Ronk see you Friday would you like me to get your ticket for you?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 08, 2016, 09:19:27 PM
Quote from: San Juan on March 08, 2016, 09:12:59 PM
Ronk see you Friday would you like me to get your ticket for you?

Thanks for the offer; I'll take a chance that it won't be a sellout and/or I'll be there early enough on Friday.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 08, 2016, 11:02:02 PM
Friday nights prime time game will present an atmosphere these kids (both teams), will remember a very long time.
Should the Lady Royals prevail, Saturday's game will provide an atmosphere that will last a lifetime.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 09, 2016, 08:46:48 AM
Quote from: ronk on March 08, 2016, 03:19:45 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 08, 2016, 10:46:03 AM
Lauren's at UVA now; she was pretty good, but I think Fancher is better all around, given her ability to score.  Broderick has done an excellent job, and I expect the girls to be very tough as long as he's at CNU...I have no doubt that he's a relentless recruiter, which is obviously a huge part of having a successful program.  It will be interesting to see if the young Lady Captains can sustain their level of play from last weekend and compete for forty minutes against a dominant program on their home court...since I tend to follow the men more closely, and with CNU being a recent mid-atlantic transplant, I was not aware of how special the Lady Royals program was/is.  Honestly, I think CNU is a year away from winning a game of this magnitude, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's close...I won't be there this weekend, but perhaps one day?

Yes, Lauren was challenged scoringwise, but I liked every other aspect of her PG play and think Scranton's chances would have been even better if she had been our PG last year, this year, and next year. SPECULATION on my part.

High praise for Lauren, a good floor leader...not sure what prompted her to give up on basketball and transfer.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Maine 1 on March 11, 2016, 09:37:18 PM
Look like a great scene at the "U" tonight.  I remember going to the Long Center years ago when it was first built, watching some of the great Men's team that played back in the late 60s and early 70s.  I agree that the Lady Royals will remember tonight's game and now tomorrow's for the rest of their lives. I am sure the City of Scranton will be out in force to support the Lady Royals. This will be an excellent game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 12, 2016, 08:27:24 AM
Maine1:

Great game last night and now the task of taking down a really good Tufts team.
Scranton was able to set the tone early and dictate tempo & the inside/out game was working to near perfection.
Couple that with their constant man pressure & fingers crossed, they really look good.

However, tonight's another night & the challenge will certainly be formidable.

The Royals (men), certainly did have some great teams back in the 60's & 70's.
The women have always been good even when the mens program started to drop off the national scene but this year, the Lady Royals have clearly put together a season that is magical beyond many magical runs.

The old house should be rocking tonight!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Maine 1 on March 12, 2016, 09:33:53 AM
Based on what I saw last night, I believe Scranton has a better balanced team. There inside player is better than North on Tufts, and Scranton has better shooters on the outside. With what will be a full house, I think Scranton will win.

I know the Scranton women have been a long-time power in D3 hoops, up there with Bowdoin, Amherst and some of the other perennial powers.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: redrhino on March 12, 2016, 01:43:26 PM
Maine1 and Saratoga,

I know the Lady Royals have tremendous respect for Tufts and are putting lots of thought into how they would able to counter the tremendous personnel Tufts puts on the court. The formidable Jumbos have without doubt established themselves as a national-class force in the last several seasons; they are well-coached, and they are talented. There should be a good turnout for this one.

By the way, I think that last night's crowd--coupled with the quality of play the fans saw--points out that Division 3 Women's basketball has to be one of the most under-rated entertainment values in sports. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Maine 1 on March 12, 2016, 07:20:38 PM
Tufts played an outstanding game tonight. In particular, Baptista dominated on both ends of the floor.  Super offensive game and great defense.  I doubt Scranton has seen that type of defense during the season.  A great Season for Scranton, but they lost to a very good team, and Baptista played a great game.  She was the difference.  Otherwise, the bigs on both teams neutralized each other
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 12, 2016, 11:52:37 PM
  Baptista was definitely the difference, especially with the 3-pt shots. Tufts' defense was very effective. There had to be a reason for them to have beaten Moravian by 20. Best wishes to them in the semis.

   Kudos to our seniors, Noelle and Jackie, for the great run and for spearheading the transition between coaches, for making lemonade from the lemons. It was a memorable season.   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: redrhino on March 13, 2016, 12:25:47 AM
Congratulations to Lady Royal seniors Noelle and Jackie; you led your team to some plateaus that no Lady
Royal team had ever achieved before--in particular, a 16-0 conference record, a 30-0 start to season. And it was all done with class and respect for the game.

Kudos to the entire team--30-1 and an Elite 8 Berth is top-of-the-charts play. You distinguished yourselves as one of the best teams in the country.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 15, 2016, 12:39:19 AM
 Congrats to the Lady Royals' Mid-Atlantic Regional honors:
   COY - Trevor Woodruff
   ROY - Bridgette Mann
    POY - Sara Payonk
  1st team - Alexix Roman
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 15, 2016, 10:29:18 PM

As another season winds down, I'd just like to thank whoever it was in the U of S Administration that decided on both bringing Dave Martin in as Athletic Director & re-opening the search for the women's basketball head coaching vacancy & letting Dave lead that search.

Not only did Scranton get a fantastic person to run the entire program in Dave, but then by bringing in Trevor as head coach, that changed the entire dynamic of where this program was & where this program currently is & will be.

The growth & development of this "Team' from game 1 through game 31 was the best I've seen in well over 30 years of following the Lady Royal's.

It was an absolute pleasure to see both Jackie & Noel develop into the heart & soul of this squad & to see so many of these young ladies improve their games in so many ways.

These kids & this coaching staff gave it everything they had & just got beat by a very good team on a day the ball just never really bounced their way.
When that happens & they hit every big shot they take, they get that loose ball or make a huge stop...sometimes you just have to tip your cap, learn from it & congratulate your opponent.


The post season awards keep coming in for Sarah, Alexix, Bridgette & Trevor & what remarkable seasons they & the rest of the team have had.

I just want to stress how great it was to come to these games & see each players skill set improve dramatically throughout the season.
Trevor coached with a passion & understanding that rubbed off on his players and once they realized he knew the game like few others that have coached them, their belief in his system took off & so did their wins.

Great to see Ronk, San Juan, Jerry, Tim & Mike at the games supporting the ladies near & far.

Here's hoping the recruiting season goes well.

Ladies, thank you for all your dedication to make yourselves better & all the fantastic games you played as a team.

Coaching staff, thank you for all your hard work to make this magical season happen.

Trevor, one hell of a job.
Probably the best coaching job from start to finish few schools at any level ever get to experience.
You took these kids to heights they may have only dreamed of.

All the best to the Seniors as they now get ready for the next big game before them.

Can't wait till October!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on March 22, 2016, 11:40:37 AM
Here ends another successful year for our Lady Royals. Not to be grim, but although I could not be there to see the game against Tufts, I did leave my Mom's death bed to watch them on my home computer and see them tie up the game in the 4Q. I think it was right after Tuft's Lee hit the 3 pointer that I received the call that my Mom's "life" game clock just timed out and I needed to get back to her house. Of course I was sad that our girls didn't get the win, however, the death of a "Mom" will always put everything in perspective.

On a final note, for me, the classy sportsmanship and dignity that our Lady Royals show every year on the court means just as much as their perennial success with raking up wins and NCAA tournament appearances.

May all posters have a great Easter and Holiday weekend, and please, keep us updated on new hoops news. 

Peace Out !
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 22, 2016, 04:51:34 PM
Quote from: sp0rtsfan on March 22, 2016, 11:40:37 AM
Here ends another successful year for our Lady Royals. Not to be grim, but although I could not be there to see the game against Tufts, I did leave my Mom's death bed to watch them on my home computer and see them tie up the game in the 4Q. I think it was right after Tuft's Lee hit the 3 pointer that I received the call that my Mom's "life" game clock just timed out and I needed to get back to her house. Of course I was sad that our girls didn't get the win, however, the death of a "Mom" will always put everything in perspective.

On a final note, for me, the classy sportsmanship and dignity that our Lady Royals show every year on the court means just as much as their perennial success with raking up wins and NCAA tournament appearances.

May all posters have a great Easter and Holiday weekend, and please, keep us updated on new hoops news. 

Peace Out !

sp0rtsfan,
  Sorry to hear about your mom. My college classmate, former Scranton Mayor Jim McNulty, died the Wednesday before the sectional round so I was going to attend the wake if it had been Friday or Saturday while I was in town for the bball. However, it was Sunday and I had to be back home for my grandsons' Confirmation that day.
  The Lady Royals did have a remarkable season and, with us at the midpoint timewise(not effortwise) of the recruiting cycle, I would characterize it as promising. Hope to be able to upgrade that view in May when the commitments have been made.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on March 23, 2016, 10:06:45 AM
Thanks, Ronk. I always do my best to talk up the hoops program to the HS talent we have here in north/central NJ. The U.'s popularity seems to be catching on around here and I'm hoping it will extend to the local hoopsters.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 23, 2016, 12:18:41 PM
Yes, sorry to hear about your Mom puts things into perspective. Sports can provide a good distraction..
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 23, 2016, 12:49:01 PM
Quote from: sp0rtsfan on March 23, 2016, 10:06:45 AM
Thanks, Ronk. I always do my best to talk up the hoops program to the HS talent we have here in north/central NJ. The U.'s popularity seems to be catching on around here and I'm hoping it will extend to the local hoopsters.

Good job! That area is probably  Scranton's 2nd most fruitful area for bballers(after suburban Philly) and it's becoming more so for the men's team.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: redrhino on March 23, 2016, 01:16:25 PM
The D3 Hoops All-American selections are out, and congrats to the Lady Royals once again.

Getting one of your players onto an All-American list is a huge point of pride; getting TWO on the list is enough to make you cry.  Only number one Thomas More joined the Lady Royals in receiving two All-American nods.

All hail Sarah and Alexix!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on March 24, 2016, 12:04:27 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 23, 2016, 12:18:41 PM
Yes, sorry to hear about your Mom puts things into perspective. Sports can provide a good distraction..

Thanks, NEPAFAN. The last time my mom was in Scranton, Linden Street was still a traffic thruway cutting into campus. However, I kept her aware of new postings over the years.   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 26, 2016, 01:54:19 PM
spOrtsfan:

I certainly echo the sentiments & condolences already offered.
Hold on to all those great memories.
Hang in there.
All the best to you & your family.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on March 28, 2016, 10:26:57 AM
Thank you, Saratoga. Thank God we have sports as a diversion.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on July 07, 2016, 09:43:00 AM
  Lady Royals will be playing Kings and Wilkes as part of a women's version of the Cross-county Challenge rather than separate scheduling of the past.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on July 13, 2016, 07:52:48 PM
Lady Royals' schedule is now posted on web site.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 13, 2016, 02:57:25 PM
Interesting hire at Drew on an interim basis:

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2016/08/drew-olenowski-hire
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on August 13, 2016, 05:02:29 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on August 13, 2016, 02:57:25 PM
Interesting hire at Drew on an interim basis:

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2016/08/drew-olenowski-hire

Coach Olenowski recruited Scranton Katie O'Reilly's younger sister(Kellyanne) for him at Manhattan but wasn't rehired; instead he'll be coaching against Katie.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on September 22, 2016, 09:01:01 PM
The Lady Royal recruits for this season are now listed on the Scranton web site.
Some really great kids coming in to go with the upperclassmen that are already extremely well established.
Given the talent level of some of the kids I'm somewhat familiar with, to say that Trevor had a pretty good haul for coming into this group late in the game would be a huge understatement.
Not sure how you top 30-1 but they are loading up.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: mailsy on September 23, 2016, 09:06:09 AM
Quote from: saratoga on September 22, 2016, 09:01:01 PM
The Lady Royal recruits for this season are now listed on the Scranton web site.
Some really great kids coming in to go with the upperclassmen that are already extremely well established.
Given the talent level of some of the kids I'm somewhat familiar with, to say that Trevor had a pretty good haul for coming into this group late in the game would be a huge understatement.
Not sure how you top 30-1 but they are loading up.
Sure you do 'toga. 32-1 and a national championship! With their only loss to Cabrini  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on September 23, 2016, 07:00:44 PM
Mailsy:

I'll take that in a heartbeat.
We do we sign up?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 25, 2016, 11:39:55 PM
 Lady Royals' roster is now posted on web site.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on October 26, 2016, 07:02:05 PM
Ronk:

Are you sure?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 26, 2016, 08:47:14 PM
Quote from: saratoga on October 26, 2016, 07:02:05 PM
Ronk:

Are you sure?
yes, as of 8:44 pm; there was a correction made today; maybe it was unavailable for the change when u checked. There's a pic of 10 of them(including all 5 frosh) on their twitter web site attending tonite's volleyball game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on October 26, 2016, 09:19:59 PM
Still nothing on the womens basketball site regarding team picture & full roster bio.
All that's there is a picture of a few kids attending a volleyball game.
The mens 2016/17 team picture & roster has been up for about a week.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 26, 2016, 10:27:28 PM
Quote from: saratoga on October 26, 2016, 09:19:59 PM
Still nothing on the womens basketball site regarding team picture & full roster bio.
All that's there is a picture of a few kids attending a volleyball game.
The mens 2016/17 team picture & roster has been up for about a week.

Literally, it was just the roster, no bio or team photo; the pic is of 10 of the 16 team members including the 5 frosh.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 27, 2016, 12:08:36 AM
Preseason women's poll released. Scranton No. 5

http://d3hoops.com/top25/women/2016-17/preseason
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 15, 2016, 09:19:20 PM
How is today's NCAA release about Thomas More & a certain player not the least bit surprising?
Their inaction in self reporting took the chance of another school celebrating a National Championship right off the table.
They should have been hit with a 4 year post season ban.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 16, 2016, 02:04:13 PM
Quote from: saratoga on November 15, 2016, 09:19:20 PM
How is today's NCAA release about Thomas More & a certain player not the least bit surprising?
Their inaction in self reporting took the chance of another school celebrating a National Championship right off the table.
They should have been hit with a 4 year post season ban.

First let's point out this is the first time Division III basketball has had a title vacated.

Second, a post-season ban seems pretty extreme, especially for four years, because an assistant coach who had been friends with Sydney Moss since she was my daughter's age tried to help her out post-op. This wasn't a "stay at my house because you can't afford the rent" situation. This was a "stay at my house because I am worried about your safety both because you are not able to move around easily and you live in a tough neighborhood" situation. The assistant coach thought like friend, not as a coach. Moss had been living on her own previously and after the fact.

The screw-up came when the head coach learned about the situation and instead of defering above him to his AD and compliance people and thought he knew the rules well enough to deem it okay. Furthermore, they screwed up because she stayed there probably longer than she should and truly became part of the family, babysitting, borrowing the car, etc. That's where the school and the assistant coach screwed up.

This isn't an effort to recruit Moss to the team and gain an advantage in having her stay - she was already staying and she had no plans to leave. This isn't an effort to help pay the rent or give her a break, she was already paying the rent and went back to paying the rent until this very day. As one former coach told me and I am paraphrasing quite a bit, this is when a coach tried to do best for a student for personal reasons and got screwed because the entire NCAA lives under the rules of Division I.

That said, yes there are rules and the school, head coach, and assistant coach screwed up. However, they were not trying to gain an advantage and I feel the assistant coach was clearly trying to look out for someone he knew very well and probably thought of as a daughter. That makes this situation sad.

To lose the entire season, to me, seems extreme. I have to keep researching the answer, but to declare Moss ineligible for the entire season when she may have only been eligible for the first semester seems extreme (I am not saying it is warranted, I just haven't read enough to make a determination). But at the same time, that is a HECK of a penalty. Lose the season and lose the schools first national championship. You want to tack on a four-year post-season ban? Hurt the next four years of student-athletes for a personal mistake? Seriously?

I will also contend, this is awfully harsh a penalty when compared to the Baruch case. There you had a college vice-president and a head coach PURPOSELY alter or forge in-state residence information to allow students to get discounts or even be allowed to attend the college in the first place with the sole idea that they needed to be a more competitive women's basketball team (and other sport). You had them both conspire to get these SAs jobs they were not qualified for or even had to apply for just to give them money so they would stay at the college. There are plenty of other infractions that were done on purpose. Not for the betterment of the student-athlete, but for the betterment of the program(s) and make them more competitive and even compete for national championships. They got a two-year (or one, forgetting) post-season ban, but they didn't have to vacate any games which means they keep their conference titles and NCAA tournament records. The records of those players are still intact because they were not, for some reason, ruled ineligible.

I had a problem with this Baruch case from the get-go where it seemed they got off light. Now the Thomas More case comes down and they are slammed for what by all appearances was a personal mistake based on trying to help a fellow human-being out... versus trying to circumvent the rules gain an advantage. TMC didn't gain an advantage. Moss was going to be on the team the next year no matter where she stayed as she recovered.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 16, 2016, 07:21:56 PM
Wouldn't it be convenient if all assistant coaches had star players living at their homes, providing services for the family & getting free room & board plus the use of the family pickup?
I believe Kean was hit with a 3 year post season ban when their head coach gave free A's to kids that didn't even have to show up for class.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 16, 2016, 10:03:02 PM
The Kean case was far more complicated than that. A class was created for the team and the team only that gave them free As (or at least high grades). The class was based on a foreign trip the team had taken. There was also grade changing taking place with other classes. The coach basically had the academic side of the school do whatever she wanted. Then when the AD self-reported it and moved it up the food-chain two or three times, he was "fired" (let go, didn't renew his contract), but the coach kept her job until about 11 games into the season that followed the investigation that was already underway.

Also, there was improper use of financial aid going to the team AND to other student-athletes at an unbelievably high rate.

Saratoga - I will also follow up that nothing the assistant coach did was to benefit the player in terms of money and food. She was already living on her own and she was already feeding herself. There was a prior relationship with her from her early playing days and he tried to help her post-op. Apparently the neighborhood she was living in isn't the greatest in terms of crime and being hobbled on one leg apparently was a concern of his. He suggested she move in to help her out. After eight months, she was back living on her own and does until this day. You can keep being sarcastic or mean-spirited, but this didn't benefit the team. Moss wasn't going anywhere. This didn't entice her to stay. The NCAA and Florida had forced her to look for a school not in Division I for the rest of her career. She chose TMC and wasn't going to be leaving. Her rehab and playing wasn't affected by him providing her a place to stay. She wasn't on campus in the first place and she apparently didn't ask to live with him because she couldn't afford it. She has no family in the area and he was trying to be her family. I am not in anyway obsolving TMC for their mistakes - they screwed this up big time, but the mean-spirited and attacks I have heard on TMC and Moss over the years and especially now are appalling. This division celebrates the student-athlete and those who choose to go to class (which she did), get good grades (which she did), be their own person (which she is), while also playing a sport (which she did). I am not sure why we look to now tear someone down for doing what ever other student-athlete does in this division. A mistake was made, but not for the reasons people want them to be... but for the reasons we try and help our fellow man. The school is paying the consequences because no one checked to make sure it was or was not okay... not because someone cared.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 17, 2016, 09:23:11 PM
Dave,

Let's clear a few things up.

* Not being sarcastic or mean spirited...simply stating that a coach & his entire staff made a dumb move by not self reporting the circumstances.
Each & every coach has to go through the handbook & test on various aspects.
How this infraction made it through the entire athletic dept. is hard to fathom.

*Mean spirited attacks on the school & player???
I've never said boo about that school or the player until the other day & what I said was it wasn't surprising given what some others with a closer view of the school have noted in previous years.

*As far as taking it out on kids that had nothing to do with the infractions...isn't that how the NCAA operates?
How many kids at Penn State had anything to do with Sandusky and his perversions?

Coaches are human & can screw up...what I've witnessed is that when the school realizes that & self reports with a corrective action plan, the sanctions are much less severe.

There was a breakdown somewhere at More & yes...this current crop of players will pay the price.

Just how the NCAA rolls.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 27, 2016, 10:11:56 PM
Not a bad weekend for the Lady Royals.
Their starters barely average 20 minutes in each game yet they defeat Kings & Wilkes by an average of 40 points.
Their inside/out game is a pleasure to watch.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 30, 2016, 09:16:53 PM
 Lady Royals struggle @ Neumann 66-61; close the entire game with some lead changes. smaller, quicker  Neumann outrebounded the Royals but Bridgette Mann hit 12 straight FTs to win the game. Sarah with an uncharacteristic poor shooting game; she appeared to be about 3 feet beyond her normal shooting range. Alexix with a lane violation seconds into the 3rd quarter and was benched for rest of the quarter. Still a work in progress.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 30, 2016, 09:43:47 PM
They seemed to rush shot after shot as opposed to their normal passing the extra pass for a better shot approach.
These games will happen, can't win by 40 every night.
Some kids look a little sluggish, not sure if any are sick.
Defensively, Scranton was getting beat time and again off the dribble & they just didn't look comfortable out there.
Hope this game brought them back to earth a little.
Credit to Neumann (kids & coaching staff), they did just about everything they could to make the Lady Royals play their game.
The longer you let huge underdogs hang around, the more their confidence will grow & you'll end up in a game like this where the outcome is up for grabs.
I'll still take an ugly win over a pretty loss any day.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on December 03, 2016, 07:07:02 PM
Nice win for the Lady Royals against Neumann (tough game )and Juniata which never quit and I respect there heart.Things I took out of the last Two games Coach not happy with Payonk and Roman at Neumann sat out most of the 3rd period except a minute and Mann was under the weather a little bit but scored 25 and 19 tonight.There is some work to be done starting 2 freshman 1 sophomore 2 seniors.I noticed that there is another Freshman MacKenzie Mason who I think is a pretty good player and in my eyes should start until Julia Gantz gets back.She is 5'11 and plays great defense gets rebounds and she can score you can not keep sending someone out there that gives you 0 pts an a game if that is the case play 4 on 5 because that is what they are doing not getting production out of that 3rd spot it is hurting the Lady Royals.But they are 7-0 when that player comes back to fill that spot in January look out she had great statistics at Bloomsburg and also Rookie of the year in that league pretty good I would say.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on December 06, 2016, 01:01:21 AM
Nice Lady Royals moved up to 3rd got 1 vote for first place.I think that is what it means not sure but someone gave them a vote which is nice out of those top 4 teams there is only one team that beat a top ten teams or played a top ten team and that is Scranton the other teams like( dick vital )would say cupcake city baby.Not saying nothing bad about the voters but 7 games in not one team other then Scranton played and beat a top ten team.So keep that in mind like the cfs did with Ohio state in football.Just a thought for voters to take into consideration and it was on Rochester home floor you know that powerhouse conference.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 06, 2016, 10:10:58 PM
If, and this is a huge IF....

The Lady Royals run the table in the regular season as they did last year, if my math is correct, they will earn the programs 1,000 victory in their last game of the season vs. Goucher.


If they can pull that off, it would be a pretty neat way to enter the post season.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 18, 2016, 03:54:49 PM
The holiday break for some teams has started and for others is about to begin. Where does everyone stand? What have we learned as we finish the first "half" of the season? On Sunday's edition of Hoopsville, Dave talks to some teams who are making waves early and takes the pulse of the season so far.

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Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 02, 2017, 10:40:45 PM
I realize the all important NCAA Regional Rankings are still a month away but if they were coming out this week, they might look like this:

1. Scranton (11-0)
2. Christopher Newport (11-0)
3. Mary Washington (11-0)
4. Messiah (11-0)
5. E-town (10-1)
6. Dickinson (8-1)
7. Susquehanna (10-1)
8. Catholic (9-2)

I think at some point Messiah needs to start getting someones attention that votes.
They are very quietly, methodically & efficiently taking the opposition apart.

With Texas Tyler & Albright picking up their third losses already, time for the Falcons to start moving up.

Regarding Scranton, looks like their highly touted DII ROY transfer will not be suiting up this season as her summer knee injury has not progressed to where it needs to be for her to safely play right now.
Could have been a huge X factor heading into league play...now it's up to other kids to step up & give the Lady Royals some valuable minutes.

E-town & Susquehanna off to their best starts in several years & before it's all over, don't be surprised to see Muhlenberg win the Centennial.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 02, 2017, 11:04:05 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 02, 2017, 10:40:45 PM
I realize the all important NCAA Regional Rankings are still a month away but if they were coming out this week, they might look like this:

1. Scranton (11-0)
2. Christopher Newport (11-0)
3. Mary Washington (11-0)
4. Messiah (11-0)
5. E-town (10-1)
6. Dickinson (8-1)
7. Susquehanna (10-1)
8. Catholic (9-2)

I think at some point Messiah needs to start getting someones attention that votes.
They are very quietly, methodically & efficiently taking the opposition apart.

With Texas Tyler & Albright picking up their third losses already, time for the Falcons to start moving up.

Regarding Scranton, looks like their highly touted DII ROY transfer will not be suiting up this season as her summer knee injury has not progressed to where it needs to be for her to safely play right now.
Could have been a huge X factor heading into league play...now it's up to other kids to step up & give the Lady Royals some valuable minutes.

E-town & Susquehanna off to their best starts in several years & before it's all over, don't be surprised to see Muhlenberg win the Centennial.

Your analysis looks fine to me; I'd just add Moravian and Marymount on the edge of joining that group.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 02, 2017, 11:17:25 PM
Ronk:

Absolutely.

Two weeks from now after 4 or 5 league games are in the books, this may look a little different.

By the time Feb. rolls around & the first Regional is actually released, there could be a serious reshuffling of many of these very same teams.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 03, 2017, 10:56:22 AM
Our new Top 25 was posted late last night, but Messiah is now in it.

http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2016-17/week5
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 04, 2017, 09:17:46 PM
Glad they're finally noticed.
They'll be even higher by next week.
With the exception of the game at Albright to end the regular season, I see no other school in their conference giving them a serious battle.
They could run the table.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 04, 2017, 10:12:15 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 04, 2017, 09:17:46 PM
Glad they're finally noticed.
They'll be even higher by next week.
With the exception of the game at Albright to end the regular season, I see no other school in their conference giving them a serious battle.
They could run the table.

And that... is the official jinx. Can't tell you how many times either a team gets ranked... or someone calls for the chance of a table run... that a team then takes a loss.

In this conference, I think it is a stretch to say Messiah can get past Stevenson or Albright alone and assume a win. Heck, Messiah hasn't played either team this season. That's four games alone starting this Saturday with Stevenson. And they still have Lycoming who is having a good season... and who knows if they overlook anyone else.

Awfully early to call for a run of the table in a conference that has proven to be very difficult.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 04, 2017, 10:58:56 PM
They've already crushed Lycoming 83/42.
Even when they play in Billport, I don't see the Lady Warriors flipping 41 points.

That conference is overall very weak and I still contend that barring any serious injuries, Messiah is the best in the Commonwealth this season & they have more than enough talent to be undefeated by the time they roll into Reading.

Statistically speaking, much easier for you to predict a loss or two along the way.

I'll stick with my original "jinx".

I have no horse in this race, just want to see good teams get the credit they deserve.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on January 05, 2017, 08:46:33 PM
Saratoga; Alvernia 0-13 will be the one to beat Messiah (joking)How long before that job is opened again for a Head Coach.Also heard Abington Heights is looking for a Womens Head coach she is 2-8 (Karma is great)I'm all smiles and you know why!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 11, 2017, 01:44:06 PM
This week's Around the Region catches up with the Lady Royals.

http://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-region/mid-atlantic/2016-17/scranton-flush-with-talent

I watched them play Stockton earlier this year and they look really, really good.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 11, 2017, 05:07:51 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on January 11, 2017, 01:44:06 PM
This week's Around the Region catches up with the Lady Royals.

http://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-region/mid-atlantic/2016-17/scranton-flush-with-talent

I watched them play Stockton earlier this year and they look really, really good.

Nice report,especially the quotes from Woodruff and Mann. "No garbage time in good programs" - I like that.
  The Lady Royals have been tested already a few more times than last year. Neumann, for example, hasn't played as well since as they did in extending Scranton 3 weeks ago. And, luckily, they avoided the injury bug last season that has popped up twice this year(Julia Gantz and Emily Sheehan). Still a work in progress.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 11, 2017, 05:40:53 PM
I was really impressed when I watched them play Stockton online. More balanced scoring than a year ago, more depth. I think the Top 5 programs -- and maybe a couple others -- are really, really good this year. I don't remember recent years where the top of Division III women's basketball was as strong as it is right now.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 11, 2017, 09:02:38 PM
Gordon:

I agree...nice article on a great group of kids & a coach that keeps them focused.

Two serious injuries to starters but as the saying goes...one door closes & another opens up for someone else.

One game at a time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 11, 2017, 09:19:28 PM
 Another tester tonite for the Lady Royals as they come back from 8 down to defeat Susquehanna, despite Susque playing w/o arguably their best player, Angie Schedler, out 4 the past 3 weeks. Congrats to Susquehanna Coach Reed for the novel defense, man-to-man on Sarah Payonk and a 1-3 zone on the rest to contest Alexix Roman. It was very effective and if Bridgette Mann had shot tonite like she did this past Saturday(2-15), the Lady Royals would have been in big trouble. But, she was normal Bridgette(8-14) and pulled Scranton through. Kudos also to Katie Broderick(7 pts and 6 assists) and Denise Rizzo for a good limited-time performance.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on January 11, 2017, 10:49:11 PM
Wait a minute they didn't play man on Payonk everytime she touch the ball she was double team just like Roman.The problem the lady Royals are having in my eyes is that their offense is very stagnant right now.I think Trevor knows that because he was trying to get them to move the ball all night sitting right across from him.Another thing when your ranked you have to play your A game every night because every team throws the kitchen sink at you.Believe me one of Scrantons best players was off tonight so just image if she was on it would also be a different outcome.So let's ni use that analysis.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 13, 2017, 12:29:05 AM
Usually I make sure to alert people of who is on Hoopsville prior to the show. Unfortunately, Thursday was a challenge production wise and I was a bit distracted. So, I hope you don't mind finding out after the fact considering you can watch the show On Demand or listen to the podcast(s).

As the season turns from the first to the second half, we are starting to see which teams are doing more than just getting off to good starts. Now conference races are starting to take shape and we get an idea of how the rest of the season may play out.

On Thursday's edition of Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave chatted with several coaches whose teams are either leading their conferences or in the battle for first place. Are these teams going to still be near the top come late February? What do they have to do to maintain their level of success. Dave even hit the road to Washington, DC to chat with several of his guests.

Dave also talked to a coach who now has the second-most wins in Division III history. Wooster's Steve Moore won his 787th (700th at Wooster) Wednesday night. Moore joined Dave in the NABC Coach's Corner to discuss the incredible milestone and all the milestones along the way.

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- Kevin Kovacs, Gallaudet men's coach
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- Chuck Winkelman, Calvin women's coach
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Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 18, 2017, 08:57:39 PM
  Lady Royals cruise on the road over Moravian 76-55. Sarah with a triple double, Alexix, a double-double, and Katie Broderick with 3-4 3-pters, 4 rebs, 3 assists, and a great defensive job on McPherson(5-19). Catholic up next. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 18, 2017, 09:45:21 PM
The Lady Royals looked like they didn't even break a sweat tonight.
Very efficient game plan & the kids executed it perfectly.
Still some very tough games ahead but this was pretty impressive.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on January 18, 2017, 10:42:24 PM
How many teams can say that two of there players in the same game had a Triple Double( Payonk and a Double Double Roman) in my lifetime and I watched alot of basketball i have never seen it! Congratulationso ladies very impressive.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 18, 2017, 11:19:47 PM
 According to the recap of tonight's game, Sarah now has half(3 of 6) of the recorded triple-doubles in Lady Royals history. She's been doing it all from her 1st college game when she debuted with back-to-back double-doubles in the tipoff tourney against Montclair St(top 10 team) and Washington College. Even I was unprepared for such a performance, even though I had seen her play 10 AAU games 2 summers previous while evaluating 1 of her teammates(who went D1). Reconsidering, I concluded that the reason was that most of those AAU games were against lower-D1 players.
  The 1st thing I told Coach Woodruff when I met him that September as he was beginning his Scranton coaching career was that he was going to enjoy coaching Sarah; she enables everyone she plays with to play better.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on January 18, 2017, 11:35:06 PM
 Ronk In your lifetime of watching basketball did you ever witnessed what I did tonight a Moravian (Payonk triple double-Roman double double)on the same team in the same game?So true just watching this team play I thought it was going to be like a really close game.But we won by 21at Moravian.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 19, 2017, 12:01:49 AM
Quote from: augie on January 18, 2017, 11:35:06 PM
Ronk In your lifetime of watching basketball did you ever witnessed what I did tonight a Moravian (Payonk triple double-Roman double double)on the same team in the same game?So true just watching this team play I thought it was going to be like a really close game not win by 21at Moravian.

Augie,
  Don't remember any such combo in the past, at least on the same team; usually, rebounds and points by one interfere with a teammate accumulating them, also.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 19, 2017, 03:26:25 PM
Quote from: augie on January 18, 2017, 10:42:24 PM
How many teams can say that two of there players in the same game had a Triple Double( Payonk and a Double Double Roman) in my lifetime and I watched alot of basketball i have never seen it! Congratulationso ladies very impressive.

After a booth review of Sarah's 2 previous triple-doubles from last season, the one against Catholic(almost a year ago to the day) also had a double-double by Jackie Gantz and 1 rebound shy of a double-double for Alexix. And, it is strongly believed that Augie was there. ;D I didn't remember it myself before the check.
  There was a quad-double by an NJAC player maybe 2 seasons ago that I found going through box scores at that time but no one made much of it because the fourth double was a negative one(turnovers). :-[
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on January 21, 2017, 04:12:53 PM
Scranton loses at home to Catholic in OT.Differents between the elite teams Amherst, Tufts,Thomas More is when the challenge comes to them they wakeup to the challenge.Congratulations to Catholic out hustled Scranton out Coached them and out performed them bottom line.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 21, 2017, 07:36:06 PM
50 regular season wins in a row. Can't win em.all. Time to start a new streak.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 21, 2017, 09:15:18 PM
 Lady Royals are still a work in progress. They have to learn how to get by when their prime shooter is off or contested like today and that some passes should be avoided against excellent defensive teams. Avoiding turnovers becomes paramount at that level of play. Could have happened 2 weeks ago in E-town when they won by only 1.
Have to give a lot of credit to Catholic in general and DeSantis, Smith, and my 'buddy' Launi, in particular. Bernadette played for my in-town school(Good Counsel) and I interested her in Scranton and was there when she got her letter of acceptance, but she chose Catholic instead and played almost flawlessly today. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on January 21, 2017, 11:19:36 PM
Ronk not to be sarcastic 17 games in should not be a work in progress this late in the year!If it is Big Problems then for the Lady Royals.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 22, 2017, 12:06:09 AM
Augie,
  I'd say it's only been a 2 or 3 game season(today, Susquehanna, maybe Rochester). as far as playing good defenses that one will encounter in the NCAA tourney(think E. Connecticut that upset them 3 years ago or Tufts last year). Still have 2 more such games in the conference 2nd half to tweak the offense.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 22, 2017, 10:07:07 AM
A few years back Jay Bilas made the comment that just because a team is shooting well from the outside it doesn't mean that by switching to an active zone will play into that teams hand.

He went on to describe that the reason the guards in that game were so wide open was because they were quicker than the other teams and they were doing two things:

*Driving past the other teams guards and dishing to the wings for wide open looks or

*Driving past the guards on great picks being set & going right in for layups.

Prior to the start of the second half he suggested if the team with the slower guards made the adjustment & went to a 2/3 or a variation of that (2-1-2), it would take away the driving lanes, they couldn't flood one side & then off picks have their quicker guards going one on one for layins & it just might buy the other team a little time to get their legs back under them as they didn't have to chase people quicker than they all over the place.

Moral of the story...the other team did go to a 2/3, it worked & that really solidified to me that if he wasn't having so much fun doing what he's doing as a color analyst, Bilas would probably be one very good coach.

Watching yesterday's game certainly made me think back to that game as the Scranton guards were getting beat off the dribble pretty much all day.
Looked just like the Neuman & Elizabethtown games.

On the other hand, even with the fact that Catholic was quicker & not just first half quicker, they were all game quicker...the Lady Royals still could have won this.

They played bad D at times, kept getting picked off on screens, missed some open shots & had far too many turnovers.

Beyond that, Catholic played probably as great a first half as they are capable of.
Open 3's, they nailed them.
Create a shot with the shot clock nearing zero, done.
Loose balls...theirs.
Second chance shots on rare misses...theirs.
Blow by Scranton's guards for layups...ditto.
Coach Donahue clearly had his kids sold on his game plan & it worked.

On the Scranton side...their kids made a fantastic effort and almost pulled it off considering they were not firing on all systems.
Both Sarah & Alexix made clutch free throws at the end of regulation & I thought when Peden entered the game she was able to match the speed of Catholic's guards & she gave the Lady Royals some very nice minutes & allowed Bridgett to move around to find her spots.

Unfortunate loss because you want to clearly be the best in your Region for the NCAA committee.
Back to the drawing board & just work on getting even better & starting another winning streak...about all you can do unless you just want to feel sorry for yourself.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 22, 2017, 05:23:10 PM
Saratoga,
   There's food for thought in your words. We'll see what adjustments are made for round 2 in 3 weeks. We could see how quick with their offhand the Cards' guards are if they're overplayed to their strong hand. Or, maybe a box-and-one on DeSantis til Reynolds can show that she can make more than a layup. Smith and Launi can make 3s, so they can't be left alone.
   We're talkin basketball now; hasn't happened in the Landmark in a while.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 28, 2017, 03:23:22 PM
Holy cow....

Still 5 minutes left in the Scranton/E-town game but something happened to this team after their road win at Moravian.

Actually, they now look like a team that should have a record of 4-13.

Look like most have never played the game.

No changes on defense, predictable & soft.

Offense is stagnent...bounce, bounce, bounce.

Haven't seen a crisp pass in 3 weeks.

Teams are giving a certain player 15' to shoot & instead of driving in for a 10 footer, she's going for the bait...and missing.

No hustle, no sense of urgency, no press to create turnovers...playing without a passion for the game.

Sad to see...right now...they are no longer locks to win the Landmark.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: augie on January 28, 2017, 03:39:59 PM
Coach Woodruff has lost this team.I have never seen Senior leadership like this team has just no leaders.They are so out of it.When you turn the ball over 13 times in the first half and coming from your players and nothing changes I believe the team is not responding to Coach Woodruff.Saratoga what happened since the Moravian game?Many of things happened when Mann is getting harrased and very well guarded your other guards have to step up (Not Happening)Not driving to the basket to create and help open the floor.My final thought this team is very lazy and nobody hustles for loose balls bottom line.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on January 28, 2017, 08:56:52 PM
I guess a 47-3 record doesn't buy as much leeway as it used to.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 28, 2017, 09:15:04 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on January 28, 2017, 08:56:52 PM
I guess a 47-3 record doesn't buy as much leeway as it used to.

Yeah really!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 28, 2017, 11:14:24 PM
Teams get in funks & the opposition is always looking for that chance to knock off those sitting on top.

Kind of where we are right now with the Lady Royals.

They have had their struggles at times this year but certainly have the ability, talent & coaching to turn this around...(see Duke).

A little more intensity & fight on the defensive side may make take away some of the easy baskets they're currently allowing & slow down the process of playing from behind.

Forget about this one, focus on a good Moravian team coming in & when that ones over, go get Juniata.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 28, 2017, 11:23:24 PM
 And some kudos on the positive side to the execution by E-town(coach and players), especially the all-around performance by Emily Martin.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 29, 2017, 11:27:15 AM
Someone comes in a posts something like "lost the team" as a guest... you can pretty much chalk that up to a troll. Might as well just ignore them. Those who are smarter than that know better than those statements.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2017, 12:24:04 AM
Nobody posts as a guest. Board permissions don't allow for that. You have to be registered to post -- doesn't prevent someone from posting and then deciding to leave the board, but this isn't someone who registered just to make that post.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 30, 2017, 12:46:06 AM
I realize something was odd when I saw augie is a title, but guest underneath... but still random.

I did get a PM regarding the poster... but still odd.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 01, 2017, 11:34:18 PM
Scranton has lost three of their last four and now find themselves in third place in the conference. What is going on?

I wasn't blown away by them when I saw them at Goucher, but I tried to temper that with the fact they were playing Goucher. I wasn't blown away last year and they got all the way to the Elite Eight and gave Tufts a good game.

Size inside doesn't seem to dominate and guards seem to not have that extra step. Maybe I was misreading them against their competition. I certainly thought they were a Top 25 team - Top 15 for sure, but not #3 as when I saw them. I have seen a number of quality women's teams this year and thought they could all beat Scranton... but again, last year reminds me that I may have been seeing a bad game.

But now three of the last four being losses has me wondering if something isn't quite as good as previously thought.

Any insight? I know Catholic, Moravian, and E-town are very good teams this year, but I am surprised Scranton would take these lumps in such a tight window. Granted, the second time around in the conference can do that.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 01, 2017, 11:54:26 PM
 Yes, Catholic, Moravian, and E-town are good teams and have defended well enough to take away a good part of Scranton's offense or at least reduced them to secondary options. Moravian's 3 starting frosh are maturing now and playing well. Emily Martin(E-town) had an All-Regional game against them a few days ago. It is surprising that Scranton's 3 losses are all at home, but the conference is very tough at the top. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2017, 01:03:52 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 01, 2017, 11:54:26 PM
Yes, Catholic, Moravian, and E-town are good teams and have defended well enough to take away a good part of Scranton's offense or at least reduced them to secondary options. Moravian's 3 starting frosh are maturing now and playing well. Emily Martin(E-town) had an All-Regional game against them a few days ago. It is surprising that Scranton's 3 losses are all at home, but the conference is very tough at the top.

Ronk - I know the conference is tough at the top... I know you have listened to Hoopsville where I have stated that quite clearly... and while I agree the freshman are starting to play well, but they are starting to play well and the team has lost three of four. That doesn't add up.

They lost at home which is surprising, but there has to be something else amiss. Is it possible whatever was found in the first loss Scranton hasn't solved? What would that be, by chance. Maybe it is what you say by taking away a good part of Scranton's offense. I am very curious when I ask, what do you think that is?

I just didn't get a real sense of who they were at Goucher, so that is why I am asking. Video streaming is pretty good, but I have been focused elsewhere each night Scranton has lost.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 02, 2017, 01:22:55 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2017, 01:03:52 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 01, 2017, 11:54:26 PM
Yes, Catholic, Moravian, and E-town are good teams and have defended well enough to take away a good part of Scranton's offense or at least reduced them to secondary options. Moravian's 3 starting frosh are maturing now and playing well. Emily Martin(E-town) had an All-Regional game against them a few days ago. It is surprising that Scranton's 3 losses are all at home, but the conference is very tough at the top.

Ronk - I know the conference is tough at the top... I know you have listened to Hoopsville where I have stated that quite clearly... and while I agree the freshman are starting to play well, but they are starting to play well and the team has lost three of four. That doesn't add up.

They lost at home which is surprising, but there has to be something else amiss. Is it possible whatever was found in the first loss Scranton hasn't solved? What would that be, by chance. Maybe it is what you say by taking away a good part of Scranton's offense. I am very curious when I ask, what do you think that is?

I just didn't get a real sense of who they were at Goucher, so that is why I am asking. Video streaming is pretty good, but I have been focused elsewhere each night Scranton has lost.

I was referring to Moravian's 3 frosh playing well now; they've won 4 in a row now and are a stronger team now than when defeated by Scranton 2 weeks ago - just an indication of how tough the top is. So, I say nothing is amiss; it's more the execution of the good teams and their familiarity with the Scranton offense(2nd time this year and 4th over 2 years) that has resulted in the losses.
  I'd also offer that Goucher played their best game of the year against Scranton as the reason you weren't impressed.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 02, 2017, 07:49:13 AM
A few things are unfolding with the Lady Royals this year & specifically over the past 4 games.

Catholic developed the template of how to give them a good game & teams with a certain type of makeup are following suit.

When teams have let them bring the ball up & pass around the perimeter, they can easily get in their rhythm & play inside/out.

When things are going good, they nail a few threes's, teams react & put more pressure outside and then Scranton counters with getting the ball in low to their two bigs and off they go, rout is on.

Catholic changed two dynamics on them that both Etown & Moravian have also applied.

*Put pressure on the ball & make Bridgett work so hard on that end that she doesn't have the freedom to make easy passes inside or freely float outside after she does give up the ball for relatively easy looks at the 3. Teams are putting a lot of pressure on the ball because she's not a true point & they know the Scranton offense runs through her.
This is putting more pressure on some other kids to hit some shots or to handle the ball so Bridgett can get free & it's just not getting done.

*Secondly, teams have gotten a little wiser & have stopped playing into the Lady Royals hand by trying to shoot over them.
The teams with quick guards have simply been beating the Scranton guards off the dribble & going in for layups as they move their bigs away from the lanes & then Scranton's interior defense is out of place & slow to react weak side to these drives.
It also results in teams like Catholic & again last night with Moravian in dishing to their bigs when Scranton's bigs do step in to take the lanes away and it also opens up the oppositions outside game as now the Scranton defense has been totally sucked in.
In this process, both Catholic & Moravian nailed just enough from the outside to frustrate the Lady Royals when they would finally close the runway to the basket.
These drives also created 2 quick fouls on Alexix and effectively took her out of the first half after playing only 6 minutes.

I think it also needs to be said that their freshman lock down defender has also been out the past 6 games with a foot injury but the reality is 2 weeks ago this very same team won in Bethlehem by 22.

If you look back at the season, there were signs of this issue (guards getting beat off the dribble) going back to the Neumann, Washington & Lee & first Etown game which the Lady Royals did not put away till very late.

Teams with slow or inexperienced guards will be no match for Scranton.
Teams that have not only quickness but some talent & can get their interior people involved will continue to give them fits.

It may be time to mix in a zone on this type of team to take away the driving lanes & force teams to try once again to beat them over the top or try forcing the ball in the paint.

That's the million dollar question the coaches need to soon figure out, otherwise; the Lady Royals may soon be playing themselves out of the playoff picture.

They can be taught the zone but one thing I know you can't teach & that is speed...and they just don't have much of that this year.

Clearly not time to panic, but it is time for some adjustments, otherwise Groundhog Day (the movie) has already arrived.












Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 02, 2017, 09:19:03 AM
Quote from: saratoga on February 02, 2017, 07:49:13 AM
A few things are unfolding with the Lady Royals this year & specifically over the past 4 games.

Catholic developed the template of how to give them a good game & teams with a certain type of makeup are following suit.

When teams have let them bring the ball up & pass around the perimeter, they can easily get in their rhythm & play inside/out.

When things are going good, they nail a few threes's, teams react & put more pressure outside and then Scranton counters with getting the ball in low to their two bigs and off they go, rout is on.

Catholic changed two dynamics on them that both Etown & Moravian have also applied.

*Put pressure on the ball & make Bridgett work so hard on that end that she doesn't have the freedom to make easy passes inside or freely float outside after she does give up the ball for relatively easy looks at the 3. Teams are putting a lot of pressure on the ball because she's not a true point & they know the Scranton offense runs through her.
This is putting more pressure on some other kids to hit some shots or to handle the ball so Bridgett can get free & it's just not getting done.

*Secondly, teams have gotten a little wiser & have stopped playing into the Lady Royals hand by trying to shoot over them.
The teams with quick guards have simply been beating the Scranton guards off the dribble & going in for layups as they move their bigs away from the lanes & then Scranton's interior defense is out of place & slow to react weak side to these drives.
It also results in teams like Catholic & again last night with Moravian in dishing to their bigs when Scranton's bigs do step in to take the lanes away and it also opens up the oppositions outside game as now the Scranton defense has been totally sucked in.
In this process, both Catholic & Moravian nailed just enough from the outside to frustrate the Lady Royals when they would finally close the runway to the basket.
These drives also created 2 quick fouls on Alexix and effectively took her out of the first half after playing only 6 minutes.

I think it also needs to be said that their freshman lock down defender has also been out the past 6 games with a foot injury but the reality is 2 weeks ago this very same team won in Bethlehem by 22.

If you look back at the season, there were signs of this issue (guards getting beat off the dribble) going back to the Neumann, Washington & Lee & first Etown game which the Lady Royals did not put away till very late.

Teams with slow or inexperienced guards will be no match for Scranton.
Teams that have not only quickness but some talent & can get their interior people involved will continue to give them fits.

It may be time to mix in a zone on this type of team to take away the driving lanes & force teams to try once again to beat them over the top or try forcing the ball in the paint.

That's the million dollar question the coaches need to soon figure out, otherwise; the Lady Royals may soon be playing themselves out of the playoff picture.

They can be taught the zone but one thing I know you can't teach & that is speed...and they just don't have much of that this year.

Clearly not time to panic, but it is time for some adjustments, otherwise Groundhog Day (the movie) has already arrived.

Saratoga,
You're giving away the blueprint for the opposing coaches who couldn't figure that out on their own.  ::)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2017, 01:51:39 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 02, 2017, 09:19:03 AM
Quote from: saratoga on February 02, 2017, 07:49:13 AM
A few things are unfolding with the Lady Royals this year & specifically over the past 4 games.

Catholic developed the template of how to give them a good game & teams with a certain type of makeup are following suit.

When teams have let them bring the ball up & pass around the perimeter, they can easily get in their rhythm & play inside/out.

When things are going good, they nail a few threes's, teams react & put more pressure outside and then Scranton counters with getting the ball in low to their two bigs and off they go, rout is on.

Catholic changed two dynamics on them that both Etown & Moravian have also applied.

*Put pressure on the ball & make Bridgett work so hard on that end that she doesn't have the freedom to make easy passes inside or freely float outside after she does give up the ball for relatively easy looks at the 3. Teams are putting a lot of pressure on the ball because she's not a true point & they know the Scranton offense runs through her.
This is putting more pressure on some other kids to hit some shots or to handle the ball so Bridgett can get free & it's just not getting done.

*Secondly, teams have gotten a little wiser & have stopped playing into the Lady Royals hand by trying to shoot over them.
The teams with quick guards have simply been beating the Scranton guards off the dribble & going in for layups as they move their bigs away from the lanes & then Scranton's interior defense is out of place & slow to react weak side to these drives.
It also results in teams like Catholic & again last night with Moravian in dishing to their bigs when Scranton's bigs do step in to take the lanes away and it also opens up the oppositions outside game as now the Scranton defense has been totally sucked in.
In this process, both Catholic & Moravian nailed just enough from the outside to frustrate the Lady Royals when they would finally close the runway to the basket.
These drives also created 2 quick fouls on Alexix and effectively took her out of the first half after playing only 6 minutes.

I think it also needs to be said that their freshman lock down defender has also been out the past 6 games with a foot injury but the reality is 2 weeks ago this very same team won in Bethlehem by 22.

If you look back at the season, there were signs of this issue (guards getting beat off the dribble) going back to the Neumann, Washington & Lee & first Etown game which the Lady Royals did not put away till very late.

Teams with slow or inexperienced guards will be no match for Scranton.
Teams that have not only quickness but some talent & can get their interior people involved will continue to give them fits.

It may be time to mix in a zone on this type of team to take away the driving lanes & force teams to try once again to beat them over the top or try forcing the ball in the paint.

That's the million dollar question the coaches need to soon figure out, otherwise; the Lady Royals may soon be playing themselves out of the playoff picture.

They can be taught the zone but one thing I know you can't teach & that is speed...and they just don't have much of that this year.

Clearly not time to panic, but it is time for some adjustments, otherwise Groundhog Day (the movie) has already arrived.

Saratoga,
You're giving away the blueprint for the opposing coaches who couldn't figure that out on their own.  ::)

I think the proof is that coaches have figured it out on their own... there is plenty of video out there and if you think coaches are getting scouting reports here... you are nuts. LOL
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 02, 2017, 02:25:36 PM
Saratoga:

Excellent analysis. Thanks.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals81 on February 03, 2017, 07:42:51 PM
Saratoga,

You're correct about the Lady Royals missing the freshman lockdown defender.
In the first 11 games, the defense allowed an average of 48.8 points per game.
In the 9 games since her injury, the defense has allowed an average of 56.9 ppg.
In the 3 losses, the defense has allowed an average of 76.7 ppg.

This year's team isn't as consistently strong defensively as last year's.
Last year's captains did the "heavy lifting", which allowed the 'Big 3" to play within their comfort level.
Whereas last year you had seniors in the supporting roles, this year you have freshmen plus juniors who didn't play much last season.

It's getting a little late in the season to still be a work in progress, but I don't think many realized just how much Jaclyn and Noelle contributed to the team's overall success last year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 04, 2017, 10:21:33 AM
Thanks Gordon.

I think Royals 81 makes a couple excellent points when contrasting last seasons Lady Royal team vs. the current one.

The loss of the two co-captains (Noelle & Jackie) has had a much larger impact on the team than many would have thought at the start of the season.

Noelle was constant motion...she played hounding D, would take pressure off Bridgett by handing the ball, she'd drive to the basket & left alone, she'd kill you with the 3.

Jackie usually drew the assignment of one of the oppositions top scorers, she'd hit the boards and was always waiting on the perimeter for the pass that would lead to her draining another 3. Always calm, always focused.

They provided the Lady Royals with great D and 5 scoring options from anywhere on the court and they made everyone else that much better.

Another great point is that Noelle & Jackie did the "heavy lifting" last year.
This was evident almost every game as teams that tried to pressure Bridget found that she could give the ball with confidence to the seniors & they would then find her coming off screens for the open look or provided quality options to reset the offense.

This year, the newer players are just not yet providing the secondary support the big 3 need on both the offensive & defensive ends & we're kind of where we're at because of it.

Trevor is a great young coach & he'll get the student athletes he needs that play the game his way.

Let's also remember that he's not even had his first recruiting class yet and the results have been pretty remarkable.

Morale of the story...two pretty much unheralded members of last years team are having their importance realized now when we see the defensive breakdowns & the lack of scoring options from all 5 on the floor.

Hard to believe only two weeks left to the season.
The tough part is, if some adjustments aren't made & some kids don't step up...they'll be only two weeks left to the season.







Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 04, 2017, 10:28:46 AM
Saratoga, I'm not sure if Trevor is terrific, but he definitely isn't young.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 04, 2017, 11:10:23 AM
Lefty:

Compared to me, even Dave is young.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 12, 2017, 01:19:28 AM
 A battle today @ DuFour with the Lady Royals on top by 2 over the Cards. Bridgette Mann with 8 important defensive rebounds and some good offensive moves. Good defensive efforts on both sides and they took away what worked for each in the previous game. With 1 week to go, a 3-way tie for 1st is a possibility but needs a win by Drew over Moravian to happen after Moravian edged by Juniata today. E-town, Susquehanna, and Drew are battling for the final tourney spot.
  Four Landmark teams are in the first week of regional rankings, reflecting their nonconference record of 39-5.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 15, 2017, 11:03:59 PM
 Lady Royals hang on despite the efforts of Susquehanna(minus 2 starters) 70-60. If Moravian beats Catholic Saturday, the Lady Royals finish 3rd and will travel to the 2nd seed next Wednesday. Moravian and Catholic would be tied @ 12-2 and the tiebreaker(#7) would be strength of schedule; going in to tonight's games, Moravian's would be higher by .005(.575 vs .570), but Catholic would have closed the gap by playing E-town while Moravian was playing Drew. Don't know what the updated SOS would be after tonight or how it would change on Saturday with Catholic(21-3) vs Moravian(19-5).
  If Catholic wins Saturday, then they are 1st and if Scranton beats Goucher, then Scranton would win the tiebreaker for 2nd seed(and the home game) over Moravian by virtue of splitting with Catholic while Moravian would have lost both to Catholic.   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 16, 2017, 07:26:47 AM
One of the few times I'd be pulling for the Cardinals.

Then again, the Lady Royals are undefeated on the road & lost 3 straight at home for probably the first time ever this year.

I guess we'll know by late Saturday afternoon.

Just keep winning & hold on to that number 1 Regional ranking regardless of where the game is.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 16, 2017, 09:29:06 AM
 IF Moravian defeats Catholic Saturday, we may have to bring in Katherine Johnson of the movie Hidden Figures who computed John Glenn's flight trajectory to compute the tie-breaking SOS. After all, there's a midweek 8-hr bus trip vs a home game at stake. It doesn't get much more serious than that in D3 hoops.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 23, 2017, 12:05:45 AM
 Lady Royals play excellent defense in taking Moravian's comeback punch from 13 down to win 71-60. Kudos go especially to Katie Broderick and Emily Sheehan for defending Camille McPherson(5-20, 0-6(3s)) and Lily Warhaftig for a number of steals, rebounds, deflections, drive to the basket, and very nice assist. In other words, she made a lot of plays.
  Catholic was extended by E-town but won in OT and will host the Lady Royals Saturday nite.
  I'll make the case that the Landmark should be a 4-bid NCAA conference. In addition to the primary criteria, the lowest SOS of the 4 is Scranton's .559(and all should increase after tonite's games), they had a nonconference record of 38-5, and 2 of them(Scranton & E-town) lost to no one outside of the 4. Moravian and E-town will probably teams 5 & 6 at the Mid-Atlantic slot of the selection table but I think they'll still get in.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 23, 2017, 12:25:02 AM
Moravian was 8th and E'town wasn't ranked at all in the rankings released before today's games were played. E'town is 1-6 against regionally ranked foes, unless Moravian drops out of the final set of rankings, which wouldn't bode well for either team. At best the Greyhounds are deep on the bubble and E'town likely isn't on it at all.

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2017/02/women-regional-rankings-third

Big game by Emily Martin, though, who had a triple-double for the Blue Jays.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 23, 2017, 12:32:48 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on February 23, 2017, 12:25:02 AM
Moravian was 8th and E'town wasn't ranked at all in the rankings released before today's games were played. E'town is 1-6 against regionally ranked foes, unless Moravian drops out of the final set of rankings, which wouldn't bode well for either team. At best the Greyhounds are deep on the bubble and E'town likely isn't on it at all.

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2017/02/women-regional-rankings-third

Big game by Emily Martin, though, who had a triple-double for the Blue Jays.

I was eliminating the 3 AQs ahead of Moravian and E-town in the regional ranking in saying they would be teams 5 & 6 in the slot.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2017, 10:38:20 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 23, 2017, 12:32:48 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on February 23, 2017, 12:25:02 AM
Moravian was 8th and E'town wasn't ranked at all in the rankings released before today's games were played. E'town is 1-6 against regionally ranked foes, unless Moravian drops out of the final set of rankings, which wouldn't bode well for either team. At best the Greyhounds are deep on the bubble and E'town likely isn't on it at all.

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2017/02/women-regional-rankings-third

Big game by Emily Martin, though, who had a triple-double for the Blue Jays.

I was eliminating the 3 AQs ahead of Moravian and E-town in the regional ranking in saying they would be teams 5 & 6 in the slot.

Still puts them on a very deep bubble. 3-bids, sure. 4... very unlikely. Certainly a chance, but enough upsets are already making it unlikely.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 24, 2017, 06:47:53 PM
Whomever is calling the shots from the penthouse of the Landmark Conference headquarters needs a wakeup call.

The Scranton men are scheduled to play Moravian for the title at 4:00 tomorrow.

The Scranton women are scheduled to play for their title tomorrow in Washington at...you guessed it, 4:00.

Is it asking too much for someone to recognize this conflict and make a phone call or put in the bylaws that when situations such as this occur, games must be played at least 2 hours apart.

Believe it or not, some of us actually attend games & would also like to follow the "other" team online.

I wish Dave would change the mens game to 8:00 like they can somehow seem to play in the Centennial.

The leadership of this conference appears to be clueless.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 24, 2017, 09:22:22 PM
Sounds like you could use a squirrel delay.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 24, 2017, 10:40:55 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 24, 2017, 06:47:53 PM
Whomever is calling the shots from the penthouse of the Landmark Conference headquarters needs a wakeup call.

The Scranton men are scheduled to play Moravian for the title at 4:00 tomorrow.

The Scranton women are scheduled to play for their title tomorrow in Washington at...you guessed it, 4:00.

Is it asking too much for someone to recognize this conflict and make a phone call or put in the bylaws that when situations such as this occur, games must be played at least 2 hours apart.

Believe it or not, some of us actually attend games & would also like to follow the "other" team online.

I wish Dave would change the mens game to 8:00 like they can somehow seem to play in the Centennial.

The leadership of this conference appears to be clueless.

They also didn't get the tiebreakers right last Saturday when they said it was winner take all for the #1 seed between Catholic and Moravian women when Catholic could have finished 1st even losing to Moravian.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 25, 2017, 10:19:52 PM
Lady Royals do it with defense in winning the AQ over Catholic 58-42, allowing only 26 points in the 1st 3 quarters. Frosh guards Mackenzie Yori, Emily Sheehan, and Lily Warhaftig made Catholic's fine PG Michelle Desantis work hard for her considerable contributions and limited her to 8 points(1 basket, a 3 in transition) in the final 3 quarters and forcing 6 TOs.
  Katie Broderick continued her recent fine play hitting 4-5 3s, missing only a last second end-of-quarter attempt. Her 1st 3 regained the lead for the Lady Royals late in the 2nd quarter and they never trailed after it. Katie was named tourney MVP.
  I'm projecting that the Lady Royals will host the opening weekend and Catholic has a good chance to host also since the teams immediately behind them in the regional ranking(Albright & UMW) also lost. Catholic can get a big clue during the men's announcement @ 12:30 on Monday(before the women's @ 2:30) - if CNU men host, then that means the CNU women will not be and the chances for Catholic to host, improve significantly.
  Talked with newest Scranton Wall of Fame inductee Phil Johnson who was in attendance and enjoyed the Lady Royals' performance immensely. For the unaware, Phil and his brother Irvin were starters on the Royals 1st national champion in '76 and were pointed in Scranton's direction by their high school guidance counselor, the late Frank Murphy, who was a Scranton classmate of mine and joined me for the Scranton games @ Catholic for many years.
  Also in attendance for the 2nd time in 2 weeks and lending her support was Arielle Jenkins, a frosh member of last year's Lady Royals, who transferred to JMU in the interim.
  In other conference news, Goucher's head coach position is now open.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 25, 2017, 11:34:55 PM
A great game indeed by the Lady Royals.

Congrats to Trevor, Canio, Meghan & Natalie...fantastic job recalibrating the defense & keeping the kids moving in the right direction.

Ronk...as far as the CNport men hosting & that equating to a better chance for the Catholic women to host, it's my understanding that if a school has both teams capable of hosting, the odd year goes to the women in the first round.

If accurate, the C Newport women would be hosting & their mens team would hit the road.

However, that doesn't necessarily mean Catholic would be sent there either...the NCAA has a 500 mile radius to play with.
They certainly won't go over it but they could use up every last mile & send them to Montclair or Amherst as an example.

I could see Scranton hosting Gywenned Mercy, SUNY New Paltz who upset previously unbeaten SUNY Genesseo & maybe a rematch with WPI.

Regardless...always a great time seeing the Long Center rocking this time of year.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 26, 2017, 12:06:23 AM
Quote from: saratoga on February 25, 2017, 11:34:55 PM
A great game indeed by the Lady Royals.

Congrats to Trevor, Canio, Meghan & Natalie...fantastic job recalibrating the defense & keeping the kids moving in the right direction.

Ronk...as far as the CNport men hosting & that equating to a better chance for the Catholic women to host, it's my understanding that if a school has both teams capable of hosting, the odd year goes to the women in the first round.

If accurate, the C Newport women would be hosting & their mens team would hit the road.

However, that doesn't necessarily mean Catholic would be sent there either...the NCAA has a 500 mile radius to play with.
They certainly won't go over it but they could use up every last mile & send them to Montclair or Amherst as an example.

I could see Scranton hosting Gywenned Mercy, SUNY New Paltz who upset previously unbeaten SUNY Genesseo & maybe a rematch with WPI.

Regardless...always a great time seeing the Long Center rocking this time of year.

I'm thinking that there's a good possibility that the CNU women won't leap over 3 teams to get ahead of Catholic in the ranking and hosting selection; the men's preceding announcement(whether the CNU men host) will be the indicator for the women.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2017, 07:08:07 PM
It appears that is exactly what happened... geography could have been a factor as well.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 27, 2017, 08:04:51 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2017, 07:08:07 PM
It appears that is exactly what happened... geography could have been a factor as well.

So when r they releasing the regional ranking so that we can find out why CNU moved ahead of Catholic?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2017, 10:55:15 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 27, 2017, 08:04:51 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2017, 07:08:07 PM
It appears that is exactly what happened... geography could have been a factor as well.

So when r they releasing the regional ranking so that we can find out why CNU moved ahead of Catholic?

There appears to be a hangup on the women's side. The committee chair thought the info was already out, but it isn't. I will try and remember to check on it in the morning if it is still a problem.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 28, 2017, 10:41:20 AM
Question for Gordon, Ryan, Pat or Dave,

Hypothetically......

If Tufts, Scranton, Oshkosh & Wash U (as an example only) win this weekend, where do the Sectionals go?

Looks like some flights may be in order if this plays out.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2017, 10:51:58 AM
Quote from: saratoga on February 28, 2017, 10:41:20 AM
Question for Gordon, Ryan, Pat or Dave,

Hypothetically......

If Tufts, Scranton, Oshkosh & Wash U (as an example only) win this weekend, where do the Sectionals go?

Looks like some flights may be in order if this plays out.

That sounds hypothetically like a Tufts sectional. Oshkosh and Wash U are within 500 of each other as well but if Wash U men are still alive they would have the hosting priority.

Could also be a Scranton sectional. Depends on what the committee makes of these criteria:

Tufts .958 6-1 .599
Scranton .888 4-2 .559
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: deiscanton on February 28, 2017, 10:53:09 AM
Quote from: saratoga on February 28, 2017, 10:41:20 AM
Question for Gordon, Ryan, Pat or Dave,

Hypothetically......

If Tufts, Scranton, Oshkosh & Wash U (as an example only) win this weekend, where do the Sectionals go?

Looks like some flights may be in order if this plays out.

I have not seen a sectional matchup like this since the 2006-07 season.  There are definitely at least 2 flights for this sectional pod no matter which teams win out this weekend, and I personally would love to see this sectional at Tufts in Boston. (BTW, this is the 10 year anniversary of the sectional at Emmanuel in Boston, MA involving Emmanuel, S. Maine, DePauw, and Calvin-- DePauw won that sectional and went on to win the national championship in Springfield, MA the following weekend.) However, I don't mind if Scranton got it either, as the fans attending this sectional wherever it is held would get a really exciting weekend. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 28, 2017, 11:54:47 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2017, 10:51:58 AM
Quote from: saratoga on February 28, 2017, 10:41:20 AM
Question for Gordon, Ryan, Pat or Dave,

Hypothetically......

If Tufts, Scranton, Oshkosh & Wash U (as an example only) win this weekend, where do the Sectionals go?

Looks like some flights may be in order if this plays out.

That sounds hypothetically like a Tufts sectional. Oshkosh and Wash U are within 500 of each other as well but if Wash U men are still alive they would have the hosting priority.

Could also be a Scranton sectional. Depends on what the committee makes of these criteria:

Tufts .958 6-1 .599
Scranton .888 4-2 .559

After last week, the VRRO should be Tufts 7-2, Scranton 6-2.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2017, 12:36:29 PM
Fair point -- in addition to not updating the regional rankings, they haven't updated the data sheets as well.  >:(
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 28, 2017, 12:54:15 PM
Looks like a Tufts pod to me, too.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 28, 2017, 02:29:04 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2017, 10:51:58 AM
Quote from: saratoga on February 28, 2017, 10:41:20 AM
Question for Gordon, Ryan, Pat or Dave,

Hypothetically......

If Tufts, Scranton, Oshkosh & Wash U (as an example only) win this weekend, where do the Sectionals go?

Looks like some flights may be in order if this plays out.

That sounds hypothetically like a Tufts sectional. Oshkosh and Wash U are within 500 of each other as well but if Wash U men are still alive they would have the hosting priority.

Could also be a Scranton sectional. Depends on what the committee makes of these criteria:

Tufts .958 6-1 .599
Scranton .888 4-2 .559

For the benefit of any new national committee members wrt to sectional hosting, the #1 criteria(is it both singular and plural?) is that it goes to Scranton for St. Patrick's day weekend so that more people can enjoy the parade. After last year's experience, Tufts is already onboard with returning for the festivities.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2017, 04:15:05 PM
One more curve ball... depends on what the committee on the men's side does with Tufts should they advance. Technically they are in position to host, though the committee has also stated that Babson was treated as the #1 even if they are not in that slot on the bracket (in DIII, sometimes they don't follow the exact bracketing model in an effort to balance the brackets). If Tufts men are hosting (which seems like a stretch), they have priority. Of course if Babson or others are upset and Tufts is the lone high-seed... hosting becomes more realistic. In that case... hello Scranton.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 28, 2017, 05:04:33 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2017, 04:15:05 PM
One more curve ball... depends on what the committee on the men's side does with Tufts should they advance. Technically they are in position to host, though the committee has also stated that Babson was treated as the #1 even if they are not in that slot on the bracket (in DIII, sometimes they don't follow the exact bracketing model in an effort to balance the brackets). If Tufts men are hosting (which seems like a stretch), they have priority. Of course if Babson or others are upset and Tufts is the lone high-seed... hosting becomes more realistic. In that case... hello Scranton.

If Tufts women can't host, it'll go to WashU before Scranton, right?  I guess unless the WashU men are also hosting, but that would take some serious upsets.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2017, 05:05:05 PM
No... Tufts can still drive to Scranton. The 500 mile for one team will trump any flight plans.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 28, 2017, 05:07:41 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2017, 05:05:05 PM
No... Tufts can still drive to Scranton. The 500 mile for one team will trump any flight plans.

But oshkosh can drive to WashU - if its two flights either way, they'll go WashU over Scranton, right?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2017, 05:17:34 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 28, 2017, 05:07:41 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2017, 05:05:05 PM
No... Tufts can still drive to Scranton. The 500 mile for one team will trump any flight plans.

But oshkosh can drive to WashU - if its two flights either way, they'll go WashU over Scranton, right?

Oh good point! Forgot about that. In that case, Wash U might be the #1 period in this bracket. They tend to be in the lower part of the lower brackets to be honest.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2017, 06:41:57 PM
A point was raised elsewhere... WashU's men would most certainly could host next weekend as well... which makes this more interesting. Could be played almost anywhere.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 28, 2017, 07:27:23 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2017, 06:41:57 PM
A point was raised elsewhere... WashU's men would most certainly could host next weekend as well... which makes this more interesting. Could be played almost anywhere.

We could have Tufts, Scranton, and WashU all playing at Oshkosh - if the men's tournament shakes out a certain way.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 01, 2017, 01:01:16 AM
If the bracket plays out with those winners, just double book at Scranton.

The men love early games, let them play at 1:00 and 3:00 and the women will take 5:00 & 7:00.

Winners on Sat. at 5 & 7:00.

Full day of great basketball & I'll throw in a parade & let the NCAA sell 50.00 tee shirts.

Just do it!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2017, 12:03:02 PM
I know you would love it... but the NCAA will say no.  :D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 04, 2017, 01:29:19 PM
What an ending last night.

Bruised, battered & sick...Bridgett just kept firing away & the law of averages played out.

Unbelievable...the Lady Royals only lead of the game was the final score.

Kudo's to Tevor for settling everyone down in the time out & simply saying to Bridgett get open & shoot.

Also...the Royals didn't have very many offensive rebounds last night but Sarah certainly saved the day by grabbing one of the few so we had one last chance with 6 seconds to go.

UNE did every little thing they had to do to slow the game down into their half court sets & his kids played about as well as they could in executing their game plan.

Has to sting when you lead for 39 minutes & 54 seconds but they are an extremely well coached team.

Certainly hope the Lady Royals bring the defensive intensity they played with in spurts the entire game tonight.

Survive & advance.

Ugly wins are still better than the alternative.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 04, 2017, 02:14:19 PM
A lot of woe was avoided for Scranton.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 05, 2017, 10:03:24 PM
 Congrats to the Lady Royals on the 1000th win in program history Friday nite against UNE(did u have to wait so long to take the lead?) and #1001 yesterday; best wishes in St. Louis Friday - It's a Jumbo task, but most of u know what you're up against; every possession counts!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 09, 2017, 05:55:05 PM
All the very best to the Lady Royals as they advance to yet another Sweet 16.

Besides the basics of take care of the ball, no unforced turnovers & play tough D...the ladies have to get second chance shots underneath.

Too many times I've seen set plays go up with less than 10 on the clock & no one is hitting the offensive glass.
Can't afford to have 4 players running backwards.

Keys could be the ability to get offensive boards & no silly fouls at any time but especially early in the game..

Baptista & North are great players that will get their points, try & neutralize the supporting cast & mix up the D so they don't get too comfortable in their half court sets.

Have some fun & keep playing the game the right way.

Go Royals
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 09, 2017, 06:45:35 PM
The Division III NCAA tournaments have already seen their fair share of twists and turns. Both defending champions eliminated on the opening night, several home teams beaten, off-the-radar squads tearing Top 10 teams apart, and much more.

It has been an exciting start. What's next?

Can the home teams parlay a perceived advantage into a Championship Weekend appearence? What Cinderalla team will hear the chimes of midnight? What program will continue to make history? How will the battle of Top 25 teams shake out? And will a storied career end this weekend or in Salem?

There is plenty to talk about ahead of the Sectional Weekend and Dave McHugh has a super-sized list of guests on Thursday night's Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com).

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Despite the large list of guests, Dave will find time to answer questions as well. Make sure to email them to hoopsville@d3hoops.com or tweet them and Dave will answer them on air.

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- Trevor Woodruff, No. 17 Scranton women's coach
- Craig Carse, Hardin-Simmons men's coach
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Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 11, 2017, 12:34:25 AM
 Tufts defeats the Lady Royals for the 2nd year in a row of NCAA sectional play 65-48. Tufts combined their customary tough defense causing 13 1st half turnovers with uncustomary 3-pt shooting(11-25). Each time the lead could be cut to single digits in the 2nd half, Tufts made a 3-pter to build it back up to 14. Although the Lady Royals shot decently, the turnovers limited them to 15 fewer attempts than Tufts. Best wishes to Tufts as they continue play with an opportunity to meet with Amherst for a 3rd time.
  It's been a great 4 years for Sarah, Alex, and Denise with an overall record of 106-13, 4 NCAA appearances, and maintaining Scranton's position of most NCAA appearances in D3 WBB(30 years). 5 summers ago, I probably saw Sarah and Denise play 10 AAU games each on separate teams while evaluating an AAU teammate and they've exceeded my expectations ever since. Sarah broke in with the most impressive debut of a Royal in my memory in the Gwynedd-Mercy tipoff tourney with back-to-back double-doubles(1 vs Montclair, a top 10 team in the country). Denise has improved each year with significant contributions as the 1st big off the bench, limited only by playing behind 2 All-Americans. The 3 seniors have shown the high standard of Lady Royals basketball(as did Noelle and Jackie last year); hopefully, the 6 newcomers this year will continue that tradition.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on March 12, 2017, 07:43:49 PM
Congrats to the Lady Royals !  They continued their tradition as a class team; great sportsmanship to go along with their play. Glad I had the chance to see them in action a few times this season. My best wishes to the seniors as well..
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 12, 2017, 07:50:26 PM
First off...congratulations to the Lady Royals for a pretty remarkable 2 years under Trevor & his staff.

Beyond that, congrats to Alexix, Sarah & Denise for a four year run that only a handful of teams nationwide can say they've topped.

And, all the best to Christopher Newport from the Middle Atlantic Region as they head to the Final Four.

Regarding this season though I'd just like to compare this years squad and where we finished vs. Christopher Newport.

From what I've been able to see, this CN team has essentially the same personnel as the team that played Scranton last year in the Sweet 16.

The following players with their minutes & points vs. the Lady Royals last year:

Name                               Points                                     Minutes

Byrd                                 11                                          24
Porter                               13                                          19
Dufrene                              2                                          20
Fancher                              2                                          28
Thomas                              2                                          18
Tannor                               9                                          23
Wright                                1                                         11
Bonivel                               1                                         11
Howdyshell                         0                                           8
Daguilh                              4                                          12

There were a few other players but they played 3 minutes or less and scored 1 point or didn't score at all.

Yet somehow Scranton handled this CN team with relative ease...winning by 36 points, 82-46.

Fast forward to last nights Elite 8 game & these are the players, points & minutes:

Byrd                                 1                                           16
Porter                              10                                          32
Dufrene                            8                                           20
Fancher                            7                                           26
Thomas                           13                                          22
Tannor                             4                                           28
Wright                             8                                           20
Bonivel                           10                                          13
Howdyshell                      2                                            4

As you can see, although some players scored a more last night, some scored less than they did last season against Scranton.

They do have 1 freshman (Maloney) that added 13 points last night in 13 minutes of action.

So the question I'm asking is how did CN take last years team that lost by 36 & with very similar scoring & minutes played by essentially the same kids move their program to the Final Four & Scranton was derailed a little sooner & in a contest vs. Tufts that wasn't as competitive as last years game?

Was the loss of Noelle & Jackie even more costly than first thought?
Did the CN kids develop more than the Scranton kids over the course of the year?
Did the CN bench contribute more as the season went on?
Were the Royals too predictable?
Did the CN kids start playing a much tougher D? (I noticed they turned 19 turnovers into 28 points).
Scranton losing a serious year of recruiting between the interim coach & Trevor being hired?


Noelle & Jackie combined for 22 points & 10 rebounds between them in last years game.
Even if you took those points away, I still don't see Scranton winning this year vs. CN.

So with two teams still pretty much the same personnel wise, what do some of you see as the difference maker this year as to why one season is over and another one continues?















Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 12, 2017, 08:17:53 PM
I'm not in a good position to talk about CNU's bench over the course of the season, but the bench was huge in the Elite Eight win vs. Ohio Northern.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 13, 2017, 12:34:14 AM
Saratoga,
  CNU's  season vs Scranton's:

       Last year CNU was frosh and sophs; their PG had xferred to UVA; I perceived that they were intimidated playing the image of Scranton in Scranton as frosh/sophs. So, I say a big part of their success this year was the maturity and improvement in playing as sophs/juniors. It's even more impressive because they've been without a good post player, Jess DeGuilh, the last few weeks.
      The 2nd point is that CNU didn't have to play Tufts; if they had, I feel their season would be over, also.
      As for the Royals, I underestimated the contributions of Noelle and Jackie that were not supplanted by the newcomers. Additionally, the season-eliminating injury suffered by one of the newcomers(thought by me to be a starter and impact player) was another factor affecting the season.
   I don't think last season's recruiting was a significant factor because a good "group" showed up, anyways. The counter-factual is hard to evaluate; that is, were there any good players who went elsewhere, just because the coach was unknown til late August.
   The more significant recruiting year was the current junior class but that was a conscious coaching decision.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 18, 2017, 08:10:43 PM
Dave,
  As I checked today for future recruiting competitors, I see that your alma mater, Goucher, has identified their next WBB head coach, Andrea Preston. Why do you think that Goucher didn't turn out to be a good fit for Patrick Daniel?
Resources? The team was competitive at times this year even if it wasn't reflected in their win total.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 19, 2017, 10:50:31 AM
Quote from: ronk on April 18, 2017, 08:10:43 PM
Dave,
  As I checked today for future recruiting competitors, I see that your alma mater, Goucher, has identified their next WBB head coach, Andrea Preston. Why do you think that Goucher didn't turn out to be a good fit for Patrick Daniel?
Resources? The team was competitive at times this year even if it wasn't reflected in their win total.

For many reasons... I have nothing to say. Let's just leave it at that.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 23, 2017, 03:46:04 PM
Checking in with a tidbit for the board... I am told from a very reliable source that Mackenzie Yori is transferring from Scranton to King's for next season. I am told the decision isn't necessarily basketball driven, but it might have a small role. I am also aware King's heavily recruited York when Donaghue was still head coach. Yori was fourth leading scorer and important off the bench for Scranton as a freshman last year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 23, 2017, 07:34:19 PM
 Yori was actually the starting pg for most of the year
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 24, 2017, 12:04:25 PM
Quote from: ronk on May 23, 2017, 07:34:19 PM
Yori was actually the starting pg for most of the year

Not necessarily her position...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 24, 2017, 07:00:39 PM
Regarding the player transferring.....

The attempt was made in pre-season & early on to move her to the point & then allow Bridgett to move to the shooting guard which is her natural position.
Just didn't work out for a number of reasons.

After a few games Bridgett went back to the point & then this player just started having tough games.

Actually, I was surprised Trevor stayed with her as long as he did...just kept waiting for her to help out offensively & it never really happened pretty much from the Neumann game to the end of the year.

By the 3/4 mark of the season, although still starting, another freshman (Lily) was getting more minutes & playing in crunch time.

This loss will be more than compensated for with the addition of a DII Freshman of the Year transfer from Bloomsburg that will be ready

to step right in for the Lady Royals this season & will more than offset her 6ppg.and zero rebounding.

Had this transfer not injured her knee last summer, chances are that this player in question would have only seen sporadic playing time throughout the year so not exactly like losing Taryn Mellody.

Perhaps playing at kings & with minimal pressure will allow her to play a bit more freely.

Who knows...wish her well.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 25, 2017, 02:48:08 PM
Wow... comparing her to Taryn Mellody? HA! Just sharing the news of note I got... not sure anyone thought Scranton was losing a player of Mellody's abilities. LOL
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 26, 2017, 03:14:25 AM
You are so correct!

Players of Taryn's talent level & all around game only happen once every Halley's comet.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on July 14, 2017, 07:14:24 PM
Lady Royal's schedule is up but I'm only seeing 24 games listed...should be one more out there.

A pretty tough non-conference schedule with FDU-Florham, Messiah, the usually tough York (Pa.) team & national contender almost every year, Wheaton (Ill.).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on July 15, 2017, 12:13:36 AM
Quote from: saratoga on July 14, 2017, 07:14:24 PM
Lady Royal's schedule is up but I'm only seeing 24 games listed...should be one more out there.

A pretty tough non-conference schedule with FDU-Florham, Messiah, the usually tough York (Pa.) team & national contender almost every year, Wheaton (Ill.).

I'm thinking the annual game with Cabrini is the one missing.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: amh63 on August 08, 2017, 09:51:14 AM
ronk.....the academic year will soon start for D3 schools.  Just checking in to see if you "helped" Amherst's HC this season on the recruiting trail.  Seems one of your NY players..on your list... that ended up at Amherst made "rookie of the year" in the Nescac.  Amherst  needs some talented front court players...though the multi-position player that can play defense and score inside and outside is the type everyone wants at all levels of BB :).  Have a good Summer.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on August 08, 2017, 02:06:35 PM
Quote from: amh63 on August 08, 2017, 09:51:14 AM
ronk.....the academic year will soon start for D3 schools.  Just checking in to see if you "helped" Amherst's HC this season on the recruiting trail.  Seems one of your NY players..on your list... that ended up at Amherst made "rookie of the year" in the Nescac.  Amherst  needs some talented front court players...though the multi-position player that can play defense and score inside and outside is the type everyone wants at all levels of BB :).  Have a good Summer.

I saw GP at a couple of big tourneys last month but I didn't talk with him so I don't know who's coming in this year. Williams, Middlebury, and Tufts each have a guard/wing that I liked but I haven't heard of any front court players for the NESCAC.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 25, 2017, 07:15:49 PM
 Some thoughts on coming season:
   Only 3 rosters posted so far: Juniata, Goucher, Catholic(w/o newcomers)
  Cam McPherson(Moravian) granted another year; Brianna Bull(Goucher) transfers to Catholic; Juniata gets a good 6-4 post(FR)
  I put Moravian as the preseason choice because Cam McPherson returns, along with 3 soph starters from last year, and a good post who needs only to increase her playing time. Scranton has questions about the availability of 2 good newcomers which can't be evaluated until the roster is posted. Goucher only has 7 on their roster as they undergo a head coaching change and lose their best player to transfer.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 04, 2017, 01:16:56 AM
 2 more rosters posted(Drew,Scranton), 1 updated(Goucher)
  Goucher add 3 players to make 10 - minimum for full scrimmaging
  Drew adds at least 2 good frosh(Monique Davis-Campbell and Julia Ramos)
  Scranton's 2 good newcomers(letting each newcomer think that they're 1 of the 2) materialize; have to integrate the newcomers, offense, defense, roles, and assistant coach. Intensity of fans the only constant.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 13, 2017, 11:51:29 PM
Preseason forecast:

1st  Scranton-Moravian tie
3rd  Catholic
4th-7th everybody else except Goucher
8th  Goucher

Only E-town has yet to post this year's roster so they could have the edge for the last playoff spot with a good incoming class.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 21, 2017, 11:11:23 PM
 Lady Royals complete the sweep of NEPA(Kings, Wilkes, Marywood) tonite by stopping Marywood. Makenzie Mason and Bridgettte Mann led the way. Players are still getting acclimated to the new offense and each other. Plenty to work on in view of the turnovers(mostly post-entry passes and 3-second violations) and offensive rebounds allowed to an undersized opponent.
  Former Lady Royals' Mackenzie Yori had 2 very good games last weekend against her former Scranton teammates and Marywood.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 14, 2017, 07:14:31 PM
  Lady Royals had a good competitive game yesterday @ York; it benefit both squads in their quest for their respective conference AQ. I'm always in favor of choosing to play someone that will help your team grow in that regard. York's Katie McGowan looked good in the paint with a variety of moves. For the Royals, Bridgette Mann led the way in the final 2 mins.
  Lady Royals have their holiday tourney Fri/Sat opening with Hartwick, then either FDU or Messiah. Fans will have an opportunity to see Messiah's Leah Springer play. At 6-0, she's a complete player and a contender for M/A POY, in my opinion. 2 years ago, I saw her play a number of AAU games and my regional POY record from AAU play is pretty good, having gotten 3(Katie Sire-Atlantic,Sara Talbert-M/A,Lisa Murphy-Great Lakes) right last year of the 4(only missed on Alex Leslie-East) in the Mid-Atlantic area.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 14, 2017, 07:14:41 PM
  Lady Royals had a good competitive game yesterday @ York; it benefit both squads in their quest for their respective conference AQ. I'm always in favor of choosing to play someone that will help your team grow in that regard. York's Katie McGowan looked good in the paint with a variety of moves. For the Royals, Bridgette Mann led the way in the final 2 mins.
  Lady Royals have their holiday tourney Fri/Sat opening with Hartwick, then either FDU or Messiah. Fans will have an opportunity to see Messiah's Leah Springer play. At 6-0, she's a complete player and a contender for M/A POY, in my opinion. 2 years ago, I saw her play a number of AAU games and my regional POY record from AAU play is pretty good, having gotten 3(Katie Sire-Atlantic,Sara Talbert-M/A,Lisa Murphy-Great Lakes) right last year of the 4(only missed on Alex Leslie-East) in the Mid-Atlantic area.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on December 27, 2017, 09:50:24 PM
Juniata has their Holiday tourney this Friday and Saturday.   Delaware Valley University Aggies will be participating playing against GMU in the first game.   I went into Juniata's schedule and it wasn't listed.   They play St. Lawrence at 4.   Hopefully they'll have video of the Del Val/GMU game as well as their own.  It would be much appreciated!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on December 28, 2017, 01:36:23 PM
Went on the Del Val web page and see that the Aggies play GMU at Juniata tomorrow at two, and it should be on video.   Thanks Matt Levy!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 28, 2017, 05:04:37 PM

Holy Aggie,

A Kate sighting!

Kate, I haven't seen anything from you since early last summer & I must admit, I was worried.

Welcome back
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on December 29, 2017, 01:52:42 PM
Thanks Saratoga!   Believe it or not, we still miss playing you guys and the drive to Scranton!  We don't get to as many games as we used to, but still follow those Aggies  ;)!    Belated Merry Christmas and Happy Healthy New Year!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 04, 2018, 07:55:35 PM
As conference play resumes after the break and 11 nonconference games, here's my forecast after the coaches' preseason poll:

2017-18 Landmark Women's Basketball Preseason Poll
Rank   Institution (First Place)   Points
T1.   Moravian (4)                     58
T1.    Catholic (1)                     58
3.   Scranton (3)                     56
4.   Elizabethtown                     32
5.   Juniata                             22
6.   Drew                                   20
7.   Susquehanna                     19
8.   Goucher                               7

Scranton         11-3
Moravian         11-3
Juniata            10-4
Catholic            9-5
Elizabethtown   6-8
Drew               5-9
Susquehanna   4-10
Goucher           0-14

Any of the top 3 should be able to get a Pool C bid if needed.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 08, 2018, 10:39:40 PM


An unfortunate story that continues to evolve is the women's basketball program at Goucher.

Since the beginning of Dec. they have played 7 games & in only 2 of those contests have they played 7 players.

The other 5 games have seen only seen 6 kids play which is an accident waiting to happen.

In addition to seemingly having only 1 player on the bench, the team is losing by an average of 60 plus points per game over the last month.

Not sure how long this can continue before a serious discussion by their coaching staff & administration takes place so that the few remaining players are not continually placed in an unhealthy situation.

I give the remaining players & the coaching staff all the credit in the world for persevering, but at what cost?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 10, 2018, 11:52:00 AM
First of all... let's remember there was a change at the coaching level prior to this season. Second of all, some bad luck has plagued the squad. The first being they lost Bull to a transfer to CUA in the off season. The second, they lost another player to a season-ending knee surgery and apparently a third to leaving college entirely (long story I am not at liberty to share, nor do I want to).

Yes, the team is low on numbers, but they aren't giving up. They have found some to fill in and are pushing forward.

Shuttering the team this season, as you seem to suggest, is not something that is easy to decide on. If you followed the Occidental football story this past fall, you will see just how contentious a decision like that is just on the surface. Goucher is also not Bryn Mawr and there is more at stake. They probably don't want to commit a Bryn Mawr either because of the ramifications to their fellow conference mates especially. Ending the season leaves the rest of the games against conference opponents not played costing some of those teams two games from their schedule (the rest, obviously, one). While the games would only be against Goucher, it could significantly affect team's NCAA resumes (two less games is hard) along with giving those squads no time to make those games up against other competition that could help them. Further, if teams are able to scramble to replace those games and others could not, there is an unfair advantage/disadvantage.

While not playing Goucher could seemingly help the SOS, off the top of my head it could actually hurt one's SOS if they have already played Goucher and the second game is canceled.

So, to be fair to the conference and their opponents, I believe Goucher should stick it out. I don't think their players are in any unhealthy situations and to say so I think is a bit bombastic.

There are also other factors in play that canceling the rest of the season, I feel, would be the wrong decision. This coaching staff is in its first season and they are trying to change a culture that for a very long time has been looking in the wrong direction. Canceling a season keeps them from continuing to work with the current players on the squad who are going to be instrumental in helping change the course in the next few years. Lose that time and you are starting from scratch and possibly in a worse position next fall.

Another factor is recruiting. Andrea Preston was a long-time assistant under Dixie Jeffers at Capital. Talking to Dixie, she told me Andrea is a beast at recruiting and from what I have heard occasionally behind the scenes... Andrea is already making a huge difference in recruiting (from what I heard, recruiting was severely lacking in the last few years, but I have not been able to hear the whole story on that). Cancel the season and you drastically affect recruiting. While one thinks that being blown out could hurt recruiting, I don't think it hurts nearly as much as not playing at all. You don't have games to meet recruits at (where they could see themselves fitting in). A lot of coaches will admit their faults and talk to recruits about how they can help even in a 60-point blow out. Those conversations are "what ifs" if there are no games.

If Andrea is doing half as well at recruiting as I have been told, Goucher is going to recover from this just fine. It sucks and it hurts. As one who went through a 0-17 soccer season in college, I can relate... though most of our games were nail-biters. This isn't the most fun one can have, but the future of the program is worth more than canceling because the team isn't as competitive as we all would hope.

And hat's off to the coaching staffs of Goucher's opponents who see what is happening and doing their best not to make it worse. I showed up pretty early for a men's game following a women's earlier in the season hoping to see the end of the women's game. I knew the coaching staff of the other program, as I do most, and wanted to see how they looked against Goucher. The game was already over. Something like a 30 points or more blow out. I walked up to the visiting coach and jokingly said, "you can't put that many points on my alma mater!" She panicked. "We played zone the entire time! I knew what we were facing and didn't want to run up the score." I had to reassure her that I was kidding and that I expected the score to be higher. I also appreciated that she had tried to shut things down in the best way possible, but even her bench couldn't miss their shots. From what I've heard, a lot of Goucher's opponents are doing what they can to shut things down. They understand the situation Goucher is in and don't want make it worse - especially conference opponents who respect the administration. Not everyone has felt that way, but most. That is appreciated I am sure by the coaching staff, students, and admins as well.

Let's see where the future comes, but this might be the best thing this program needs... a true chance to start over.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 10, 2018, 01:41:51 PM
  Met Andrea at 1 of the big July AAU tourneys; she seemed cognizant of the challenge ahead, notwithstanding the future loss of the 3 players you mentioned. I would see the previous coaching staff at similar tourneys, so I can't differentiate between the staffs on that basis. Best wishes for her progress in recruiting.
  Can't see how not playing Goucher would negatively affect one's SOS, whether or not you had played them once already. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 10, 2018, 01:45:50 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 10, 2018, 01:41:51 PM
  Met Andrea at 1 of the big July AAU tourneys; she seemed cognizant of the challenge ahead, notwithstanding the future loss of the 3 players you mentioned. I would see the previous coaching staff at similar tourneys, so I can't differentiate between the staffs on that basis. Best wishes for her progress in recruiting.
  Can't see how not playing Goucher would negatively affect one's SOS, whether or not you had played them once already.

If a team doesn't have to play Goucher at all... that is two games they don't have hitting their SOS. If you have to only play them once, you get a hit on that SOS the other teams don't get. Play them twice, etc. On the men's side, we have the SOS numbers in conference play come down to around .500 on average because of the weighted measure. On the women's side, I think the SOS still plays out the same, strictly because everyone is playing everyone twice and thus the wins and losses add up to .500 for conference action (i.e. OWP and OOWP). Play a team once, that adjusts. Don't play the team at all, added benefit to some degree.

A little complicated, but the Centennial dealt with it with Bryn Mawr. The conference opponents ended up only playing Bryn Mawr once thus affecting their SOS more negatively than playing them twice.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 10, 2018, 01:54:49 PM
Yes, but you aren't penalized for not playing a 2nd game after playing them once. That's different than not playing either game and avoiding a double penalty, relative to the teams that have played them once, already. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 10, 2018, 02:01:18 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 10, 2018, 01:54:49 PM
Yes, but you aren't penalized for not playing a 2nd game after playing them once. That's different than not playing either game and avoiding a double penalty, relative to the teams that have played them once, already.

No ronk - their SOS will take a bigger hit because they have the game on their schedule versus not playing them at all.

If you played them a second time as part of the conference schedule, things even themselves out. If you didn't play them at all, it opens up other aspects of the NCAA stuff that cause problems like being two games short.

There are problems across the board.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 10, 2018, 02:17:36 PM
 The original point was the effect on a team's SOS playing them twice versus playing them once, not versus playing them at all. You said it could hurt one's SOS if they had played Goucher once and the 2nd game was canceled. I disputed that affect on SOS. Playing a 2nd game would negatively affect one's SOS relative to every other nonconference team that haven't played them at all.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 10, 2018, 03:57:20 PM
ronk - I disagree and the numbers have some bearing. Remember, the SOS has the OWP and the OOWP involved. When you take a double-round-robin conference schedule where everyone plays each other twice, the numbers basically equal themselves out and the SOS comes back to around .500 (plus or minus depending on non-conference stuff). If you don't play one of those teams a second time, the numbers can vary up and down. Look at the NESCAC, ODAC, and others who have unbalanced conference schedules. You have different SOS numbers a lot of times from those conferences (outside of non-conference play).

If you don't play Goucher a second time and a number of teams don't, that SOS number WILL be affected possibly giving teams that played them once a lower number and those who didn't play them at all a higher number (because it isn't affected by even one game against a bad mathematical squad).

We have been talking about conference SOS numbers being around .500 for most of the last five or so years in Division III and especially on Hoopsville which I know you listen to. The reason for that understanding is due to double-round-robin games. Throw that out of wack and the numbers absolutely are affected especially for those who did face the team in question. The second game when EVERYONE plays that team helps even the numbers.

The .500 SOS because of conference play is the EXACT reason why both the men and women now have a secondary criteria item called NON-CONFERENCE SOS! To see what their number is outside of conference play which has a larger impact on the SOS on the whole and tends to drag it back to .500 - unless, especially, in a conference like the NESCAC.

You can see the difference in the SOS numbers in the NESCAC with those who play teams twice and those who don't and only play teams once. They don't usually have an 0-for team, so the true impact will be harder to see on the negative side.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 10, 2018, 06:17:08 PM

I could care less about anyones SOS being affected under these conditions.

I'm concerned with 6 kids trying to make it through the next half of the season without further injury.

In some respects, I would think that sending the new coach out to get acquainted with local coaches to improve the local freshman talent level for next year would be a better use of her time as opposed to what's currently taking place but what the heck, if they're all in & want to keep playing, go pher it.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 10, 2018, 08:46:38 PM

Drew pulls off a pretty nice upset at Moravian.

Coach has the ladies of Madison playing with a purpose.

May be one of their biggest wins in quite a few years.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 11, 2018, 01:49:56 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 10, 2018, 06:17:08 PM

I could care less about anyones SOS being affected under these conditions.

I'm concerned with 6 kids trying to make it through the next half of the season without further injury.

In some respects, I would think that sending the new coach out to get acquainted with local coaches to improve the local freshman talent level for next year would be a better use of her time as opposed to what's currently taking place but what the heck, if they're all in & want to keep playing, go pher it.  ;)

Talked to a few conference coaches... they don't feel the right move is to cancel the season and feel it could hurt other teams by removing games from their schedules they can't make up.

If Goucher is willing to keep moving forward (and they are making efforts to fill the depleted roster during the season), that is their decision. Canceling seasons already started is a nuclear option and I just don't feel things are nuclear.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 11, 2018, 02:56:22 PM
It would be helpful if they could recruit a couple of roster fillers from other sports who played basketball in high school, just to provide a little bit of a buffer.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 11, 2018, 06:01:07 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 11, 2018, 02:56:22 PM
It would be helpful if they could recruit a couple of roster fillers from other sports who played basketball in high school, just to provide a little bit of a buffer.

They have already... one who is a field hockey goalie and has been working as table staff for basketball is now starting.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 11, 2018, 06:01:19 PM
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Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 13, 2018, 05:27:21 PM


Lady Royals have much work to do before Wednesday's game.

Pretty sloppy with far too many 3 second violations & allowing Goucher to crash the offensive boards.

Goucher has a few nice players & they outhustled Scranton the whole game.

I'd give them an A for effort, just hard to win with only 6 kids.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on January 13, 2018, 08:15:57 PM
I saw the Gwynedd-Mercy men's team win a conference championship with just six players on the roster.  Of course, three of the players were D-I transfers.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 13, 2018, 09:14:40 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 13, 2018, 05:27:21 PM


Lady Royals have much work to do before Wednesday's game.

Pretty sloppy with far too many 3 second violations & allowing Goucher to crash the offensive boards.

Goucher has a few nice players & they outhustled Scranton the whole game.

I'd give them an A for effort, just hard to win with only 6 kids.

2 Lady Royals(Gantz,Burns) didn't dress(1 on crutches).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 13, 2018, 09:41:41 PM
After 1/4 of the conference season:

Drew  3-1
Juniata 3-1
Scranton 3-1
Moravian 2-2
Catholic 2-2
E-town 2-2
Susque 1-3
Goucher 0-4

Juniata +1 for win @ Catholic; Moravian -1 for loss @ home to Drew

Wed: Scranton-Moravian; Drew-E-town
Sat: Scranton-Catholic, Moravian-Juniata
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 17, 2018, 09:41:59 PM

Fantastic all around game by both Moravian & Scranton.

Like 2 prize fighters on the ropes all night but neither would go down.

Scranton's shooting was lights out & Moravian was just a half step behind them.

As has happened before, the one area the lady Royals have to improve upon is boxing out (allowing too many offensive boards) and getting out-rebounded.

Eventually, those second & third possessions on missed shots will do you in.

Beyond that, great all around effort with personal highs in scoring for Bridgett, Katie F. & Mackenzie.

Great job everyone!

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 17, 2018, 10:35:19 PM
 I'll add Emily finishing her drives for big buckets and Katie B holding McPherson scoreless in the 1st half. McPherson did score 18 in the 2nd half & OT but she had to work hard for all of them. I suspect Maddy Capuano also had a personal scoring high for Moravian.
  Katie F with a great effort(shooting,block shots) and all sucked it up with the effort at both ends amid extended playing time(OT) and reduced rosters. Moravian with an 18-2 offensive rebound advantage offset the Scranton shooting advantage.
And Bridgette with career point 1000!
A game for the ages(16 lead changes)!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 20, 2018, 05:54:16 PM
Another great win by a very young Royals team.Coach is doing a great job with these kids.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 20, 2018, 05:56:12 PM
One other thing Catholic get 20 under control she is a very sore loser.Coach get control of that girl before she hurts someone.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 21, 2018, 12:20:39 AM
After another week of conference action:

Scranton,Juniata 5-1
E-town  4-2
Catholic,Drew 3-3
Moravian,Susque  2-4
Goucher 0-6

Only 3 road wins involving top 5 teams: Scr  and Juniata over Catholic & Catholic over Drew

Wed: Drew-Scranton; Juniata-E-town
Sat: Catholic-Juniata, Scranton-E-town
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 21, 2018, 10:18:15 AM


Note to D3 Editorial crew:

Scranton is 5-1 in conference play, not 4-1.

They are not a half game behind Juniata, they are currently tied for the lead.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 21, 2018, 11:19:43 AM
Quote from: saratoga on January 21, 2018, 10:18:15 AM


Note to D3 Editorial crew:

Scranton is 5-1 in conference play, not 4-1.

They are not a half game behind Juniata, they are currently tied for the lead.

Got it fixed - someone missed checking the "conference" box for the Catholic game.  I also added the links to this year's and last year's schedule - apparently I missed that over the summer.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 21, 2018, 01:36:19 PM

Thanks Ryan.

Just want to be sure that those voting for the Top 25 are looking at the correct numbers.

Take care.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 21, 2018, 04:57:18 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 21, 2018, 01:36:19 PM

Thanks Ryan.

Just want to be sure that those voting for the Top 25 are looking at the correct numbers.

Take care.

Most Top 25 voters would spot that, but I also don't think it would affect their decisions... but we like to make sure glitches like that are taken care of, so that's for the head's up.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 21, 2018, 11:38:12 PM
Would love to give credit to Coach Woodruff and this very young Lady Royals team.There non conference play was pretty tough with playing at York,Pa.at Cabrini,Messiah(H)and  The CCIW Wheaton  which is the biggest and physical team this young team has faced and won all them non conference games. Now comes   playing Conference foes,Juanita,Moravian,Catholic,Elizabethtown and coming up Drew so I just want to say Coach you are doing a great job taking over after the Legend Coach Mike Strong keep it up
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 26, 2018, 09:30:56 PM


Question for Pat or d-mac...

What exactly was Stevens thinking when they decided against joining the Landmark for the Empire-8?

I mean from a campus overlooking NYC & instead of playing against Drew, Catholic, Moravian & Scranton they somehow feel road trips to Rochester, Elmira & suburban Buffalo in the winter is where they belong?

The process of landing on that square and somehow saying, yep, this is the league for us just intrigues me.

Stevens is a great school but rivals with Houghton, Sage or Nazareth....really??
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on January 27, 2018, 10:02:39 PM
Oh Saratoga, just when I was really missing you, you come up with that post.   First of all, don't Goucher, Susquehanna and Juniata count?  Yes, I still don't really know who or why that first team instigated the Landmark move, but you're just as adamant as me wondering why Steven's Institute of Technology said, thanks but that's O.K.   Come on, you know you miss us in the MAC.   We were headed to Wilkes today on 80 and the split came up to the right for Scranton and 380, and to the left to stay on 80 for the Blakeslee exit.   Really made me think about you guys, so I decided to take a look at your site.  Yikes, you and I might be more alike than I would hope.  We don't get to as many of the games as we used to, and Manhattanville,  lovely school that it is, is out of our traffic realm.   Overall, i'm happy with our "new schools".    Since yours' are still predominately the MAC, except for CUA, I know you're happy with yours'.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 27, 2018, 10:51:59 PM


Kate,

Of course Juniata, Goucher & Susquehanna count...actually, I have no idea what you're even inferring by bringing them up.

What I was doing by mentioning the schools I did was simply making a point that Stevens walked away from a conference where multiple schools are within 2 hours or less of their campus as opposed to 4 and 5 hours away.

If i remember correctly, some of your earlier concerns with teams leaving conferences always seemed to have something to do with geography and natural rivals.

As for me, I loved the move to the Landmark when it happened & I still love it today.

Sorry to say, there isn't one school in the MAC I miss...ok, possibly the annual trip to "the barn"...possibly.

My post regarding Stevens was nothing more than an attempt to see if any of the editors of this site had any knowledge why the move to the Empire 8 was made when there were so many schools in much closer proximity in the new Landmark Conf.

Personally, I'm very happy they made that call as it opened the door for Scranton...just for the life of me, I can't really understand why.

In the meantime Kate, you are still my favorite fan on this site.

Your dedication & love to a team that barely plays .500 ball year after year is truly admirable & for that, DVC should give an award in your honor to the young lady that displays those endearing qualities regardless of natural talent.

Hang in there & stay healthy...you may be going in soon!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on January 28, 2018, 08:12:47 AM
Saratoga, I truly hope we can both stay healthy, especially during our favorite time of the year, our basketball seasons!   And, you're right about geography -it should play a role in League formation and retention.   It seems strange that today's players and some coaches will never realize that intense rivalry that our old MAC teams shared - you have to miss DeSales a little bit, as they used to give you guys fits on occasion.   Btw, Del Val has given Hubby and me many very, very much appreciated gifts over the years, but our love for that school, the coaches and the Team is unwavering.   In light of what's happening at Penn State and Michigan State, our D3 schools are looking better and better with each passing season.   I will continue to follow our old MAC schools in the Landmark, and always miss that trip up 380 to Route 307 and parking on Mulberry (?) Street and grabbing a hoagie at a Subway that was there.   Hope this great winter weather continues for our basketball travels in the month of February!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 28, 2018, 10:06:05 AM
Hoagie at subway? Cringe!! It's ain't wawa lol. It's SUB way
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 28, 2018, 12:05:00 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 28, 2018, 10:06:05 AM
Hoagie at subway? Cringe!! It's ain't wawa lol. It's SUB way

Where do you buy grinders?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 28, 2018, 12:48:58 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 26, 2018, 09:30:56 PM


Question for Pat or d-mac...

What exactly was Stevens thinking when they decided against joining the Landmark for the Empire-8?

I mean from a campus overlooking NYC & instead of playing against Drew, Catholic, Moravian & Scranton they somehow feel road trips to Rochester, Elmira & suburban Buffalo in the winter is where they belong?

The process of landing on that square and somehow saying, yep, this is the league for us just intrigues me.

Stevens is a great school but rivals with Houghton, Sage or Nazareth....really??

I honestly don't know. I have asked over the years and never gotten an answer. Something happened at the last minute, because Stevens was set to be part of the announcement, then bowed out saying they had a change of heart and 24 hours later announced they were headed to the Empire 8. I can't say who because I don't remember, but I have heard talk that Stevens may have regretted the decision, but you will never hear that from anyone on record, for sure. I am not sure if they regret it or not, but the bridge is burned and they are basically stuck in the E8 for now.

USMMA was the last minute addition to the Landmark, though I think we all agree Stevens would have been the better option.

kate - per rivalries, I think all rivalries in this region have taken a back seat. I don't see the Gettysburg-McDaniel rivalry in basketball being nearly as heated anymore. While we can hold on to great rivalries of the past, I don't think assuming staying in a conference would have kept the heat on rivalries to this time period. I just don't see it even for storied rivalries in this area that haven't been affected by anything.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 28, 2018, 01:06:50 PM
Regarding rivalries. They've changed over time. I know that when I was in college. The big rivalries I remember were with Eastern, Philly Pharmacy(now D2), Allentown College(DeSales). Then it changed to Alvernia, Eastern, then it changed again now it's Gwynedd and Neumann. Today's players don't remember the old rivalries. They have their own. As teams move in and current teams improve, that's when rivalries happen. The Eastern game is great but the players don't see it as much a rivalry as conference games. Us old guys remember the old days. But as we get older new rivalries will continue. It's just the way of things.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 28, 2018, 02:24:50 PM
Stevens was part of the announcement. In fact, I think the Stevens president released the news early and that's how it broke, if I remember my 2005 correctly.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 28, 2018, 03:24:00 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 28, 2018, 02:24:50 PM
Stevens was part of the announcement. In fact, I think the Stevens president released the news early and that's how it broke, if I remember my 2005 correctly.

Hmm.. that does sound familiar now... that Stevens was in the announcement, then backed out almost immediately, and then announced with the E8 like two days later. It was crazy.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 28, 2018, 09:44:12 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 28, 2018, 12:48:58 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 26, 2018, 09:30:56 PM


Question for Pat or d-mac...

What exactly was Stevens thinking when they decided against joining the Landmark for the Empire-8?

I mean from a campus overlooking NYC & instead of playing against Drew, Catholic, Moravian & Scranton they somehow feel road trips to Rochester, Elmira & suburban Buffalo in the winter is where they belong?

The process of landing on that square and somehow saying, yep, this is the league for us just intrigues me.

Stevens is a great school but rivals with Houghton, Sage or Nazareth....really??

I honestly don't know. I have asked over the years and never gotten an answer. Something happened at the last minute, because Stevens was set to be part of the announcement, then bowed out saying they had a change of heart and 24 hours later announced they were headed to the Empire 8. I can't say who because I don't remember, but I have heard talk that Stevens may have regretted the decision, but you will never hear that from anyone on record, for sure. I am not sure if they regret it or not, but the bridge is burned and they are basically stuck in the E8 for now.

USMMA was the last minute addition to the Landmark, though I think we all agree Stevens would have been the better option.

kate - per rivalries, I think all rivalries in this region have taken a back seat. I don't see the Gettysburg-McDaniel rivalry in basketball being nearly as heated anymore. While we can hold on to great rivalries of the past, I don't think assuming staying in a conference would have kept the heat on rivalries to this time period. I just don't see it even for storied rivalries in this area that haven't been affected by anything.

USMMA was in from the onset; Scranton was chosen over E-town to replace Stevens.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 28, 2018, 11:25:16 PM
I have to check that. I don't remember USMMA being an original member. Scranton was in from the beginning and may have been chosen over Etown certainly... but they needed a school to compliment Drew (i.e. Stevens) and thus USMMA.

But again, need to check on that.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 28, 2018, 11:29:27 PM
I do see Wikipedia has the information the way you have it, Ronk... but I swear USMMA was the solution. Man, I have that weird in my head. Need to find the press releases and stories to get my head back on track with that one.

---UPDATE---

Just read the history on Landmark's page... sheesh, I had that backwards. That is odd. Oh well. Might have just had that screwed up due to Drew/Stevens being so obvious as travel partners that I thought USMMA came in as an obvious solution.

Should get the brain checked in for a tune up. SMH

Thanks for clearing that up!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 29, 2018, 01:46:37 AM
After another week of conference action:

Scranton  7-1
Juniata  6-2
E-town  5-3
Catholic,Drew  4-4
Moravian,Susque  3-5
Goucher  0-8

Only 5 road wins involving top 5 teams: Scr  and Juniata over Catholic, Scr & Catholic over Drew, Scr over E-town

Wed: Scranton-Moravian; Drew-E-town
Sat: Scranton-Juniata, Catholic-Drew

the projected conference finish would be:

Scranton  12-2
Juniata  10-4
E-town  9-5
Moravian, Catholic  8-6
Drew  5-9
Susque  4-10
Goucher  0-14
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Caz Bombers on January 29, 2018, 09:54:02 AM
In defense of Stevens, the E8 they joined (with RIT and Ithaca) was considerably stronger in all sports than it is now that Sage and Houghton have replaced those two schools. If they had football, which they probably never will, the LL would have snapped up Stevens in a heartbeat when they needed the members.

Now they have long travel to play teams that are mostly beneath their level (speaking on all-sports basis), but on the other hand there's that much less competition to win the conference and get those Pool A bids. So I guess it all evens out.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 30, 2018, 05:22:44 PM


Caz,

I guess you're right...the E-8 Stevens originally joined looks nothing like that today.

Has to be a certain degree of buyers remorse these days on behalf of the administration.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 01, 2018, 01:54:37 AM
First and for most Congratulation Lady Royals on another great win on the road against another great team in Moravian.Somethimg caught my eye is massey a reliable source?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 04, 2018, 12:24:55 AM
After another week of conference action:

Scranton clinches a conference playoff spot

Scranton  9-1
Juniata  7-3
E-town,Catholic  6-4
Drew,Moravian,Susque  4-6
Goucher  0-10

Big games this week:

Wed: E-town-Juniata
Sat:  Catholic-Scranton

the projected conference finish would be:

Scranton  13-1
Juniata  10-4
E-town  9-5
Moravian  8-6
Catholic  7-7
Drew  5-9
Susque  4-10
Goucher  0-14
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 04, 2018, 02:56:49 AM
Great win Lady Royals!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 04, 2018, 09:29:03 AM
Rofrog:

Great win by the Lady Royals indeed.

If their primary option isn't there, they don't panic, they just reset the offense and move to option 2 or 3.

They share the ball, play excellent D and pretty much stay within themselves.

For as young as they are, not sure you can expect anything more.

Talent plus coaching is what separates so many teams.

Still two weeks to play and regardless of how far this group of kids can go, they have been a pleasure to watch mature and develop as the season has progressed.

Ronk:

I have a hunch the last game of the season (Moravian at Catholic) may very well have serious playoff implications.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 04, 2018, 10:47:57 AM
 Yes, my projection is that the Lady Royals will be playing the winner of that final regular season game between Moravian and Catholic in the 1st round of the playoffs. After 2 OT battles with Moravian, I'll be hoping it's Catholic.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 05, 2018, 05:12:50 PM
FYI: http://athletics.goucher.edu/general/2017-18/releases/20180205lh4uc9
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 05, 2018, 07:07:40 PM


Dave,

Over the course of the last 5 years or so, the NCAA came out with their first Regional Ranking during the first week in Feb.

Last year it was released on this date, Feb. 5th.

Any idea why it's being delayed, how many there will be & when the first will be released?

Thanks
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 05, 2018, 07:15:17 PM

Somewhat surprised the Goucher AD isn't staying on till the end of the semester.

Guess he wants to get to NYC in time for St. Patrick's Day.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 05, 2018, 07:26:13 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 05, 2018, 07:07:40 PM


Dave,

Over the course of the last 5 years or so, the NCAA came out with their first Regional Ranking during the first week in Feb.

Last year it was released on this date, Feb. 5th.

Any idea why it's being delayed, how many there will be & when the first will be released?

Thanks

It usually gets released the first Wednesday of February
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 05, 2018, 07:40:24 PM
Thanks Mailsy.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 05, 2018, 09:41:23 PM
The Regional Rankings have nothing to do with the date, but where in the season things are.

The first regional ranking are released the Wednesday three weeks prior to the end of the season. This year, that is Feb. 25. Count back three Wednesdays and we arrive at Feb. 7. :)

As for Goucher's AD, I won't speak for him, but he chose to make a move he felt was best for the department and himself. Leaving on March 16th just seemed to be best from his point of view. I think in many ways he would have stayed to the very end, but this time it felt better to take a break.

Please understand, there is only so much I can say about it. Geoff and I have known each other for over 22 years (I arrived at Goucher a year after he started there). I know a lot more about the decision, the process, and what-not, but I won't speak on it. Just understand, all aspects of this was his decision and he made it on his own.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 06, 2018, 12:06:45 AM

Glad he was able to call the shot on his departure.

After all those years, certainly beats the alternative.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 06, 2018, 09:51:44 AM
Drew vs Scranton pushed back until Thursday at 7 due to weather.WomensBasketball
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2018, 02:37:57 PM
Women's first regional rankings of the season are out: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/women-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 07, 2018, 05:46:34 PM

Somewhat surprised to see Marymount ranked higher than CNU when the Captainettes have a better record & just blasted Marymount last week by 18.

Other than those two being in the wrong order, looks about right.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2018, 05:48:57 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 07, 2018, 05:46:34 PM

Somewhat surprised to see Marymount ranked higher than CNU when the Captainettes have a better record & just blasted Marymount last week by 18.

Other than those two being in the wrong order, looks about right.

They split the season... that may be a wash, considering both won on their respective home courts, in the eye's of the committee. Marymount has a significant advantage in SOS. MU: .586... CNU: .540. I can see some reasons at least initially to give Marymount the slight advantage for now.

Not all the data is considered this first week.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 07, 2018, 06:17:21 PM

Correct.....A lot can happen between this initial ranking & the last in two weeks.

A great time of year (minus the weather).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 08, 2018, 08:50:50 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2018, 05:48:57 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 07, 2018, 05:46:34 PM

Somewhat surprised to see Marymount ranked higher than CNU when the Captainettes have a better record & just blasted Marymount last week by 18.

Other than those two being in the wrong order, looks about right.

They split the season... that may be a wash, considering both won on their respective home courts, in the eye's of the committee. Marymount has a significant advantage in SOS. MU: .586... CNU: .540. I can see some reasons at least initially to give Marymount the slight advantage for now.

Not all the data is considered this first week.

Yep, it's gotta be the disparity in SOS...I'm hoping CNU has a stronger out of conference schedule next season, given the departure of two CAC schools.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 08, 2018, 03:26:44 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 08, 2018, 08:50:50 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2018, 05:48:57 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 07, 2018, 05:46:34 PM

Somewhat surprised to see Marymount ranked higher than CNU when the Captainettes have a better record & just blasted Marymount last week by 18.

Other than those two being in the wrong order, looks about right.

They split the season... that may be a wash, considering both won on their respective home courts, in the eye's of the committee. Marymount has a significant advantage in SOS. MU: .586... CNU: .540. I can see some reasons at least initially to give Marymount the slight advantage for now.

Not all the data is considered this first week.

Yep, it's gotta be the disparity in SOS...I'm hoping CNU has a stronger out of conference schedule next season, given the departure of two CAC schools.

And to face that prospective stronger ooc schedule next season, CNU is the leading choice of 2 seniors of which I'm aware.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 08, 2018, 04:32:55 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 08, 2018, 03:26:44 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 08, 2018, 08:50:50 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2018, 05:48:57 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 07, 2018, 05:46:34 PM

Somewhat surprised to see Marymount ranked higher than CNU when the Captainettes have a better record & just blasted Marymount last week by 18.

Other than those two being in the wrong order, looks about right.

They split the season... that may be a wash, considering both won on their respective home courts, in the eye's of the committee. Marymount has a significant advantage in SOS. MU: .586... CNU: .540. I can see some reasons at least initially to give Marymount the slight advantage for now.

Not all the data is considered this first week.

Yep, it's gotta be the disparity in SOS...I'm hoping CNU has a stronger out of conference schedule next season, given the departure of two CAC schools.

And to face that prospective stronger ooc schedule next season, CNU is the leading choice of 2 seniors of which I'm aware.

Do tell, ronk...how good are they?  CNU's losing A LOT to graduation this year....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 08, 2018, 06:10:56 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 08, 2018, 04:32:55 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 08, 2018, 03:26:44 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 08, 2018, 08:50:50 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2018, 05:48:57 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 07, 2018, 05:46:34 PM

Somewhat surprised to see Marymount ranked higher than CNU when the Captainettes have a better record & just blasted Marymount last week by 18.

Other than those two being in the wrong order, looks about right.

They split the season... that may be a wash, considering both won on their respective home courts, in the eye's of the committee. Marymount has a significant advantage in SOS. MU: .586... CNU: .540. I can see some reasons at least initially to give Marymount the slight advantage for now.

Not all the data is considered this first week.

Yep, it's gotta be the disparity in SOS...I'm hoping CNU has a stronger out of conference schedule next season, given the departure of two CAC schools.

And to face that prospective stronger ooc schedule next season, CNU is the leading choice of 2 seniors of which I'm aware.

Do tell, ronk...how good are they?  CNU's losing A LOT to graduation this year....

Let's just say that they have ability if both Coach Broderick and I were interested in them. Jess Deguilh was the most recent CNU player that we both liked.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 08, 2018, 09:18:18 PM

Ronk:

So are you batting 0 for this century in your quest to bring forth the AAU talent you observe to the Electric City??

If so, you need to step up your game kind sir, Trevor can't do this alone! :o
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 08, 2018, 10:34:55 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 08, 2018, 09:18:18 PM

Ronk:

So are you batting 0 for this century in your quest to bring forth the AAU talent you observe to the Electric City??

If so, you need to step up your game kind sir, Trevor can't do this alone! :o

I can only claim 1 - Sofia, but Trevor did all the heavy work after I pointed her out to him.  8-)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 09, 2018, 08:49:38 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 08, 2018, 06:10:56 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 08, 2018, 04:32:55 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 08, 2018, 03:26:44 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 08, 2018, 08:50:50 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2018, 05:48:57 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 07, 2018, 05:46:34 PM

Somewhat surprised to see Marymount ranked higher than CNU when the Captainettes have a better record & just blasted Marymount last week by 18.

Other than those two being in the wrong order, looks about right.

They split the season... that may be a wash, considering both won on their respective home courts, in the eye's of the committee. Marymount has a significant advantage in SOS. MU: .586... CNU: .540. I can see some reasons at least initially to give Marymount the slight advantage for now.

Not all the data is considered this first week.

Yep, it's gotta be the disparity in SOS...I'm hoping CNU has a stronger out of conference schedule next season, given the departure of two CAC schools.

And to face that prospective stronger ooc schedule next season, CNU is the leading choice of 2 seniors of which I'm aware.

Do tell, ronk...how good are they?  CNU's losing A LOT to graduation this year....

Let's just say that they have ability if both Coach Broderick and I were interested in them. Jess Deguilh was the most recent CNU player that we both liked.

Fair enough...unfortunately for Jess and CNU, I think her injury really slowed her progression.  Also, even though she's a "big", as they say, her lack of quickness doesn't seem to be the best fit for Broderick's system.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 10, 2018, 10:39:06 AM
Coach woodruff was on the radio this morning.  Never looked better.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 10, 2018, 07:18:39 PM
With 1 week to go:

Scranton  11-1
Juniata  8-4
E-town 7-5
Catholic,Moravian,Susque  6-6
Drew  4-8
Goucher  0-12

Big games this week:

they're all big since E-town doesn't play Goucher

the projected conference finish would be:

Scranton  13-1
Juniata  10-4
E-town,Moravian  8-6
Susque  7-7
Catholic  6-8
Drew  4-10
Goucher  0-14
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 11, 2018, 08:31:43 AM

I'm going with:

*Scranton...13-1

*Juniata...10-4

*E-town...8-6

*Catholic...7-7

*Susquehanna...7-7

*Moravian...7-7

The Lady Royals, Juniata & Blue Jays are in and are set 1 through 3 & let the actuaries figure out which one of the other 3 teams emerge as the 4 seed.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 12, 2018, 08:57:24 PM
All I will.say about d3 womens polls is WOW and are you kidding me.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 14, 2018, 12:12:28 AM
Wbca has the Lady Royals 9th!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2018, 03:11:23 PM
New women's regional rankings: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/women-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 15, 2018, 12:38:05 AM
With 1 game to go:

Scranton  12-1
Juniata  9-4
E-town 8-5
Moravian  7-6
Catholic,Susque  6-7
Drew  4-9
Goucher  0-13


Playoffs should be Moravian @ Scranton and E-town @ Juniata

the projected conference finish would be:

Scranton  13-1
Juniata  10-4
E-town,Moravian  8-6
Susque  7-7
Catholic  6-8
Drew  4-10
Goucher  0-14
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 15, 2018, 07:18:39 PM

I'm going with Catholic over Moravian to put multiple teams at 7-7.

Break out the slide rules.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 15, 2018, 07:40:58 PM
I think Moravian wins all the tie-breakers.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 15, 2018, 10:58:54 PM
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We also talk to a coach who has more time than it seems anyone else. How she is using that time to help her school's SAAC in many ways and how that help is allowing the student-athletes at Southern Maine to give back to the school, the community, and many more.

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Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 16, 2018, 01:56:38 PM
There is a scenario Saturday where Moravian wins @ Catholic and E-town loses @ Susquehanna; Moravian and E-town would tie for 3rd @ 8-6; E-town would finish 4th by virtue of Moravian having a better record(2-0) against Catholic who would be the tiebreaker down at #6 in the conference.  In this case, the Lady Royals would host E-town and Juniata would host Moravian in the semis.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 16, 2018, 10:26:10 PM
I like that one ronk.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 18, 2018, 06:40:06 PM
    Like the men, this may have been the most competitive season in Landmark history with 6 teams competing for the 4 playoff spots in the final week, the 7th place team(Drew) beating 2 of the playoff teams(Juniata,Moravian), Scranton needing OT twice to beat Moravian, and Goucher surviving in this strong conference despite having only 6 or 7 players for most of their schedule.
  The nonconference record of Scranton, Juniata, and Moravian was 32-1 and among their victims were 7 teams with at least 19 victories(Cabrini, Messiah, Wheaton(IL), Randolph-Macon, FDU, TCNJ, and Albright) and 2 others(Marymount, Gettysburg) by Catholic and E-town.
   Talked briefly with Goucher HC Preston yesterday before her game with Scranton and she feels good with how her recruiting is going, not just in the state of Maryland, but also out of the Mid-Atlantic region to include nationally. Turns out, she was interested in 2 players from 1 team that also interested me, but Goucher didn't offer their desired majors. So, it looks like there will be competition from Goucher in the near future.
    Semis Wednesday:

Moravian @ Scranton; E-town @ Juniata
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 20, 2018, 08:41:05 PM

Is there possibly a wormhole that exists for three Landmark teams to get bids to the NCAA tournament?

What if.....

Moravian upsets both Scranton & Juniata (should they defeat E-town).

Moravian gets the automatic....

Scranton will certainly get a Pool C and...

Would the powers that be also reward Juniata for a 22 win season?

Personally, I'd just rather see the Lady Royals take the automatic & rain on everyone else's parade but....... I think the possibility does exist that under the right conditions, there could be 3 Landmark teams in the dance.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 20, 2018, 10:42:25 PM
 Juniata would probably have a good chance in that scenario, being 2nd to the table for the Mid-Atlantic after Scranton who would go early after the 2 NESCAC reps and currently with a 3-1 vrro, if their opponents continue to be ranked.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2018, 03:03:15 PM
The NCAA released the third set of women's basketball regional rankings with few changes from last week's version. This is the final set that we'll see before the Tournament bracket is released on Monday. Full list here: http://d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/women-regional-rankings-third

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdnak1.psbin.com%2Fimg%2Fmw%3D600%2Fmh%3D600%2Fcr%3Dn%2Fd%3D0begr%2Fubzdidgxaify2q9n.jpg&hash=68b1f68498c4a6922677a000ef21ce5f57ae4bbb)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 21, 2018, 08:45:02 PM
Saratoga:Moravian is out!Great adjustments by Coach Woodruff and staff in 2nd half.Saratoga I think me and you should broadcast the next game and have ronk interviewing the floor.We can do a better job.One thing I can say Dean,Harry Scranton is very young also.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 21, 2018, 09:10:29 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on February 21, 2018, 08:45:02 PM
Saratoga:Moravian is out!Great adjustments by Coach Woodruff and staff in 2nd half.Saratoga I think me and you should broadcast the next game and have ronk interviewing the floor.We can do a better job.One thing I can say Dean,Harry Scranton is very young also.

No, Dean is very good at play-by-play and Harry very perceptive at analysis - what needs to happen, what is/isn't happening, and why. I have more problems with buffering on the video transmissions.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 21, 2018, 09:32:33 PM
Ronk I have to disagree:He is still calling players out from two years ago.Mike Remish and John McCormick where great play bye play.Not trying to get any points but Dave McHugh is probably the best announcer in D3 and I have been to alot of colleges my friend.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2018, 10:02:39 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 21, 2018, 09:10:29 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on February 21, 2018, 08:45:02 PM
Saratoga:Moravian is out!Great adjustments by Coach Woodruff and staff in 2nd half.Saratoga I think me and you should broadcast the next game and have ronk interviewing the floor.We can do a better job.One thing I can say Dean,Harry Scranton is very young also.

No, Dean is very good at play-by-play and Harry very perceptive at analysis - what needs to happen, what is/isn't happening, and why. I have more problems with buffering on the video transmissions.

Ronk - I know Stretch is having issues these days... but maybe your computer connection struggles? I also know that Stretch can't provide variable bit-rate as of yet (it is a long story and I don't want to get started on it, honestly)... so if you connection is struggling with 720 HD... your stream is going to buffer. So... it could be a lot of things. SMH
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 21, 2018, 10:11:20 PM
Rofrog;

Completely agree that there is sometimes way too much chatter on the broadcasts.

There is a point that in the role of "color commentator" you let the "play by play' announcer do his or her job & stop talking over, under, around & through them, regardless of the point you're trying to make.

Additionally, although it's nice to know Moravian "is young"...(stated nearly 15 times throughout the broadcast), does he even realize the Lady Royals start 3 sophomores & a junior?

When it's mentioned that tonights opposition has "only 4 seniors on the team", does he even realize the Lady Royals have only two?

Although it's nice to hear repeatedly how Moravian is having "an off night"...do you for even one moment think the Scranton defense had anything to do with that?

I get that you don't want to come off as broadcast homers (such as John Sterling & Suzy) but in that process, try to find the positives your own school is accomplishing and stop acting like every team we face is either UConn or so young they just were brought up from an 8th. grade CYO team to fill in.

Regardless of where the Lady Royals season ends, they have turned in one heck of a remarkable year and in that process, they have played defense with pride & passion and their game plans coach has put together have been executed flawlessly thus far.

So the next time you want to reference a "young" group of kids, start by getting acquainted with the roster of the team you're doing the "color" for.



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 21, 2018, 11:22:36 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2018, 10:02:39 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 21, 2018, 09:10:29 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on February 21, 2018, 08:45:02 PM
Saratoga:Moravian is out!Great adjustments by Coach Woodruff and staff in 2nd half.Saratoga I think me and you should broadcast the next game and have ronk interviewing the floor.We can do a better job.One thing I can say Dean,Harry Scranton is very young also.

No, Dean is very good at play-by-play and Harry very perceptive at analysis - what needs to happen, what is/isn't happening, and why. I have more problems with buffering on the video transmissions.

Dave - Thanks for your thoughts.

Ronk - I know Stretch is having issues these days... but maybe your computer connection struggles? I also know that Stretch can't provide variable bit-rate as of yet (it is a long story and I don't want to get started on it, honestly)... so if you connection is struggling with 720 HD... your stream is going to buffer. So... it could be a lot of things. SMH
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 22, 2018, 10:14:10 AM
have you heard some of the other commentators around d3? Come on let's lay off these guys.

Dean is a rarity in d3...professional level play by play...from a non-student.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 22, 2018, 03:04:42 PM
NEPA:

No issue with Dean at all, he does a great job.

It's the visiting color commentator that doesn't stop talking & runs into Dean's conversation all game.

Add to the conversation, don't detract from it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 22, 2018, 04:23:41 PM
Nepafan:But it is okay for you to constamtly bash Goucher calling the kettle black my friend.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 22, 2018, 04:24:40 PM
constantly
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 22, 2018, 04:53:28 PM
Stating a record is not bashing. In fact you owe Dean and Harry an apology, or you could offer to do play by play on your own.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 22, 2018, 08:28:20 PM
And I'm stating a fact.Sorry it butt hurts you but the truth usually does.I owe no one an apology for which I have my opinion.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 23, 2018, 09:27:50 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on February 22, 2018, 08:28:20 PM
And I'm stating a fact.Sorry it butt hurts you but the truth usually does.I owe no one an apology for which I have my opinion.

You stating a fact or an opinion? I am sure Dean would love to have you up for a halftime interview, let's see how you sound on the air.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 23, 2018, 11:29:15 AM
My opinion is based on you saying I owe them an apology!The fact of the story is they are still not that good.Like I said I have been to alot of d3 games and there are alot of Students broadcasting the game that do a better job.Go back to guys side of the Landmark Thats right there out.Smh
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 23, 2018, 06:34:30 PM


And on the 23rd. day, they began to eat their young....

Let's get back to basketball.

Not everyone appreciates the same coach or broadcast team the same way.

In Boston, some loved Farrell, management didn't.
Some love Jerry Remy, others don't.

In New York, some thought Gerardi was a God, others thought he was the second coming of Satan.
Some love John Sterling, others despise him.

In Baltimore, some Believe in Buck, others want him out.
Some love Jim Palmer, others find him self serving.

Probably even some that didn't enjoy Keith Jackson or Vin Scully (hard as that is to believe).

It's ok, it's just one persons view.

Absolutely no reason to infer some horrible injustice has been done because of a different perspective.

On three, you guys need a bro-hug.

1, 2,  :o
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2018, 07:17:33 AM

I have no skin in this game, but who doesn't like John Sterling?  I think he's great, especially for the Yankees... oh, maybe that's why people don't like him.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 24, 2018, 08:07:09 AM
This is d3basketball and we are making comparisons to professionals?


Sterling is a clown Ryan.

Has this whole forum lost its mind?  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 24, 2018, 08:56:26 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 24, 2018, 08:07:09 AM
This is d3basketball and we are making comparisons to professionals?


Sterling is a clown Ryan.

Has this whole forum lost its mind?  ;D

Yes.  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 24, 2018, 09:22:45 AM


NEPA:

Come on, you're an intelligent guy, look big picture.

My point is simply that in a group of fans regardless of the sport, there will be differences on coaching philosophy, playing surface, fan base, best concessions & yes, even broadcast teams be it at the DIII level or above.

By the way, Sterling is evil...as is the Empire.  ;)

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 24, 2018, 07:36:03 PM
 Congrats to the Lady Royals on another conference championship(6th Landmark in 11 years & 24th, overall). It was a gritty win, usually the case going against the conference runner-up in the 3rd meeting of the season. Good prep for the coming NCAA tourney when the demands of instant reaction and anticipation are bigger factors than during the regular season. As noted elsewhere, the team is relatively young and still growing in their big game experience. To their credit, however, they have won all 4 OT games this year.
  Wrt OT, I had a discussion with Coach Woodruff at the game @ Catholic last month about the foul vs defend scenario(3-pt lead/under 10secs/opponent's ball) which came up in the 1st OT game this season(Messiah in December); thought there was an agreement to foul but maybe he forgot today.  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 24, 2018, 07:39:18 PM
 Ronk:He had feehry fouling Gracie Stauffer but the ref never called it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 24, 2018, 07:42:36 PM
why wasn't this game played in prime time? Congrats to the ladies and the entire program.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 24, 2018, 08:01:50 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on February 24, 2018, 07:39:18 PM
Ronk:He had feehry fouling Gracie Stauffer but the ref never called it.

Guess you're going to have to foul the ball possessor.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 24, 2018, 08:34:41 PM
Ronk I guarantee she shoots that again she misses 9 out of 10 mann was all over her.It wasn't an open shot.But he was trying to foul gracie but the ref never called it and it was right on front of the ref.They also set up a great screen but Mann recovered and was in her face.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 24, 2018, 09:17:09 PM


Somewhat of an upset...Marymount knocks off Christopher Newport, also by a point.

Kate P's Cabrini club wins & gets the automatic.

Some games still to be played tomorrow that may have a bearing on which teams will be headed to the Electric City on Friday.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 24, 2018, 10:00:01 PM
Saratoga,Ronk,Nepafan any thoughts on Scrantons first game in the NCAA I will take a shot Valley Forge vs Scranton in 1st round
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 24, 2018, 11:24:26 PM
In my annual bid to help the NCAA with their bracketing, here's the half of the bracket that I care about :

#1 Amherst (TCNJ,Skidmore,Mt St Mary)
#2 Tufts (UNE,Keuka,Cabrini)
#3 Scranton (Marymount,SUNY-Geneseo,Stevens)
#4 Bowdoin (St Joe(ME),FDU,SUNY-Old Westbury)
#5 Rochester (Juniata,MIT,Hilbert)
#6 Montclair St (Gettysburg,Randolph-Macon,Mass-Boston)
#7 Messiah (CNU,Staten Island,Becker)
#8 Brooklyn (Roger Williams,Albright,Westfield St)

Sectional rounds (1-8 & 2-7; 3-6 & 4-5)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 24, 2018, 11:45:12 PM
 Looks like you have been doing it for awhile Ronk.I like it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 25, 2018, 12:23:12 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on February 24, 2018, 07:39:18 PM
Ronk:He had feehry fouling Gracie Stauffer but the ref never called it.

Watched the replay; ball was inbound to Anstine; she had the ball for almost 2 secs before she passed to Atkinson; that was plenty of time to foul her; didn't look to me like Feehery tried to foul her.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 25, 2018, 12:47:19 AM
That was right from the horses mouth just saying.Because he was screaming at feehry just saying
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 25, 2018, 12:53:07 AM
Ronk tell you the truth I didn't even see her out there(Stauffer).Even the group around me said you need to foul.Maybe it was a miss communication out there
But Coach is a great coach I doubt he would let them tie the game but who knows.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 25, 2018, 01:36:32 AM

Apparently the "big" he was referring to was Morgan Instone as she only shoots at 58%.

I watched the replay & Gracie wasn't even in the game at that point.

Too risky, all eyes are on where the ball is at that time, need to make the foul apparent.

The no-call that amazes me is right at the end of OT, Juniata lines up with .05 seconds left & Gracie runs right over Sophia right in front of the ref...he sees it because he shakes his head no & refuses to blow the whistle.
It's apparent that she initiates contact to hopefully get a call...it's just that the call should have been player control, Lady Royals ball.

Oh well, regardless...a happy ending.

My crack at the Scranton pod...

Scranton vs. Becker

Cabrini vs. Stevens.

I think Marymount will host over Brooklyn & Juniata will be somewhere in Ohio or possibly Thomas More.

Not so sure Albright makes the cut.

What a season these kids have put together.

Hope the old house is rocking next weekend!

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 25, 2018, 10:06:10 AM
I can't help but wonder if Rofrog, NEPAfan, Saratoga and Ronk unknowingly sit next to each at Scranton games and then come on here and bicker with each other.  I'm guessing one of them is Trevor's mom.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 25, 2018, 10:14:25 AM
 Just carrying on the tradition from the MAC-Freedom days of Cold Case and Colonel John    ::)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 25, 2018, 10:37:39 AM
Colonel John and the late Cold Case didn't root for the same team though.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 25, 2018, 11:01:12 AM


I think the good Colonel was a closet Royal.  ;)

Big game up at Amherst today.

Tufts finally has their starters all back and they just might pull it off in Mammothville.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 25, 2018, 02:21:04 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 25, 2018, 10:06:10 AM
I can't help but wonder if Rofrog, NEPAfan, Saratoga and Ronk unknowingly sit next to each at Scranton games and then come on here and bicker with each other.  I'm guessing one of them is Trevor's mom.

We do, we also put in a deposit on the 2018-2019 for a box at the long center. They don't want us sitting next to the general population.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on February 25, 2018, 03:32:45 PM
Ronk, does Albright get a spot because they beat Tufts?  That's be great!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 25, 2018, 04:26:32 PM
Quote from: kate on February 25, 2018, 03:32:45 PM
Ronk, does Albright get a spot because they beat Tufts?  That's be great!

Kate,
The victory over Tufts would be contributory - a win, vrro positive result, increase in SOS for playing them; Albright is probably on the bubble; listen to hoopsville tonight ~ 6:30 for their run at pool C selection.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 25, 2018, 04:40:35 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 25, 2018, 01:36:32 AM

Apparently the "big" he was referring to was Morgan Instone as she only shoots at 58%.

I watched the replay & Gracie wasn't even in the game at that point.

Too risky, all eyes are on where the ball is at that time, need to make the foul apparent.

The no-call that amazes me is right at the end of OT, Juniata lines up with .05 seconds left & Gracie runs right over Sophia right in front of the ref...he sees it because he shakes his head no & refuses to blow the whistle.
It's apparent that she initiates contact to hopefully get a call...it's just that the call should have been player control, Lady Royals ball.

Oh well, regardless...a happy ending.

My crack at the Scranton pod...

Scranton vs. Becker

Cabrini vs. Stevens.

I think Marymount will host over Brooklyn & Juniata will be somewhere in Ohio or possibly Thomas More.

Not so sure Albright makes the cut.

What a season these kids have put together.

Hope the old house is rocking next weekend!

You're most likely right about Marymount hosting over Brooklyn or even TCNJ.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 28, 2018, 02:34:33 AM
If Juniata gets by piedmont which I think they will.I think they will give Thomas more some fits Juniata has a really nice team.Ronk,Saratoga what is your take
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 28, 2018, 01:11:07 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on February 28, 2018, 02:34:33 AM
If Juniata gets by piedmont which I think they will.I think they will give Thomas more some fits Juniata has a really nice team.Ronk,Saratoga what is your take

Thomas More still has some talent from 2 years ago, the last time I saw them play. They didn't get any competition in their league unlike Juniata, but did win easily over CNU.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2018, 01:17:52 PM
Thomas More is a very good team. Abby Owings is the reason they won their last championship despite the fact Moss was still on the team. She is the program's all-time leading scorer (that's what happens when you are forced to scrub an entire season of Moss' records) and it isn't a joke.

TMC was good before Moss and they are good after. They don't get tested in their conference, but they also have a single loss at home in about six or more years. Juniata would have a very tough task in front of them.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 28, 2018, 06:27:10 PM


I saw Thomas More a few times this year for brief periods.

They are good but the teams I saw them play against were just not competitive.

Not sure that was because TM is that good, the competition was that bad or a combo of both.

I suspect the latter.

However, if Juniata (providing they win Friday) can clamp down on D as they are capable of...who knows.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 28, 2018, 10:15:18 PM

As we get ready for Friday's opening round game, here is a nice interview with Landmark Coach of the Year, Trevor Woodruff and 4 of his players.

By the way, in addition to accolades for Coach, both Bridgett Mann & Mackenzie Mason were named First Team All-Landmark with Bridgett also named Player of the Year and Katie Feehery was named to the Second Team.

Great selections & congratulations to all.

https://www.meridix.com/event/132186



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 01, 2018, 03:09:27 AM
Just wondering if d3hoops doings preview on the women's side  like they did on the men?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 01, 2018, 06:42:17 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on March 01, 2018, 03:09:27 AM
Just wondering if d3hoops doings preview on the women's side  like they did on the men?

It should be up today.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 01, 2018, 11:37:32 PM
I wonder if the games at Scranton will be played tomorrow or ppd until Saturday with the Snowstorm coming all different prediction 5-8,8-12 and from the local weather (That can't predict the weather 2-4)Weather channel is usually a curate and they said 8-12 so who knows?Teams are here!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 02, 2018, 01:20:05 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on March 01, 2018, 11:37:32 PM
I wonder if the games at Scranton will be played tomorrow or ppd until Saturday with the Snowstorm coming all different prediction 5-8,8-12 and from the local weather (That can't predict the weather 2-4)Weather channel is usually a curate and they said 8-12 so who knows?Teams are here!

Yes, the Lady Royals are going to have to do it without me if they play on Friday; I-81 in a blizzard is not a reasonable experience; don't know about a Sat/Sun tourney, yet.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 02, 2018, 02:46:50 AM
Agreed ronk especially around frackville to Hazelton area tricky.I guess no preview for the ladies?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 02, 2018, 07:24:30 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on March 02, 2018, 02:46:50 AM
Agreed ronk especially around frackville to Hazelton area tricky.I guess no preview for the ladies?


http://d3hoops.com/playoffs/women/2018/tournament-preview
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 02, 2018, 08:46:26 AM
hope the video holds up for you ronk....maybe we'll get High Def one of these days.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 02, 2018, 09:04:23 AM

Obviously there are a number of host sites being affected by this storm across the Northeast.

It also appears obvious that the NCAA leadership would rather play the games in less than ideal conditions & impact the many fans who would otherwise attend because they don't want to pay for another days lodging & meals to the teams that have traveled.

Why not just make the call to cancel, move the games to 5:00 & 7:00 Saturday & the first round championship gets played Sunday at 3:00.

Make the call Bobbi, the NCAA can afford it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2018, 09:45:14 AM
Quote from: saratoga on March 02, 2018, 09:04:23 AM

Obviously there are a number of host sites being affected by this storm across the Northeast.

It also appears obvious that the NCAA leadership would rather play the games in less than ideal conditions & impact the many fans who would otherwise attend because they don't want to pay for another days lodging & meals to the teams that have traveled.

Why not just make the call to cancel, move the games to 5:00 & 7:00 Saturday & the first round championship gets played Sunday at 3:00.

Make the call Bobbi, the NCAA can afford it.

In my 20-plus years of following the tournament they've never done a blanket postponement. (Not a cancellation.) They have postponed games at individual sites, however, and if the situations on the ground require it then I'm sure they'll do it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 02, 2018, 08:37:14 PM
scranton game and other mens game aren't working for me...is it just me?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 02, 2018, 09:00:39 PM

Unfortunately, I'm snowed in but the Lady Royals game worked perfectly for me.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 02, 2018, 10:49:40 PM
Quote from: saratoga on March 02, 2018, 09:00:39 PM

Unfortunately, I'm snowed in but the Lady Royals game worked perfectly for me.

Guess it's good I didn't try to make it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 03, 2018, 01:53:40 AM


Better safe than sorry.

Today should be a nice day for a road trip & it's always a nice day for a win!

How ironic will it be if Bridgett ends up breaking the all-time Scranton 3 point shooting record against the very same player that's held it all these years... Cabrini coach Kate P.?

Of all the great Lady Royal players that have come & gone & been a part of these records, to think that the changing of the guard just may happen under these circumstances is pretty neat & statistically, pretty improbable.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 03, 2018, 10:23:00 AM
Quote from: saratoga on March 03, 2018, 01:53:40 AM


Better safe than sorry.

Today should be a nice day for a road trip & it's always a nice day for a win!

How ironic will it be if Bridgett ends up breaking the all-time Scranton 3 point shooting record against the very same player that's held it all these years... Cabrini coach Kate P.?

Of all the great Lady Royal players that have come & gone & been a part of these records, to think that the changing of the guard just may happen under these circumstances is pretty neat & statistically, pretty improbable.

Kate is such a competitor that her game plan today will be to prevent Bridgette from making any 3-pt attempts.  ::)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 03, 2018, 02:16:29 PM

Wish the Lady Royals would play their games at 7:00 like Bowdoin does.

Gives people a chance to get things done on a Sat. then head to the game.

Obviously, game times are not dictated by the NCAA as Bowdoin plays at 7:00 & even Amherst is at 6:00.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 03, 2018, 03:07:55 PM
 NCAA dictates a range of starting times: no earlier than 5 PM, no later than 8.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 03, 2018, 07:17:48 PM
Great thing that came out of this game against Cabrini today was take Bridget out and other players stepped up.Great win Lady Royals Team effort.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 03, 2018, 09:17:24 PM


Well then, realize Scranton is like LA, they like the later starting times.

Two years ago the Elite 8 game vs. Tufts was at 3 & half the students were still lost at the parade.
They may have actually found their way home by 7.  ;)

In all seriousness, who would have ever thought that a team loaded with freshmen & sophomores & coming off the graduation of two All-Americans would be able to be in the position these kids are in??

Survive & advance.

An ugly win is still far better than a pretty loss.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 03, 2018, 09:33:34 PM
 From the bracket seeding, the Lady Royals should be hosting the sectional(Messiah-Bowdoin > 500 miles, leaving only Scranton and Tufts to host) facing a foe(Bowdoin) from those back-to back years of 2004 & 2005. The 2005 game in Scranton was perhaps the finest D3 women's game I've seen, considering the opponent and the importance(Elite 8). We'll find out tomorrow.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 03, 2018, 09:55:34 PM
a little juice in the long center , congrats
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 04, 2018, 12:09:06 AM
Nepafan:Can you imagine next weekend if Scranton host Packed house!Ronk,toga The four host for next week Amherst,Thomas More,Scranton and Wartburg what do you think?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 04, 2018, 12:13:59 AM
 It'll be Hope instead of Thomas More.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 04, 2018, 12:16:34 AM
Dave good call on Thomas More I thought Juniata would have at least gave them a game!(Wow)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 04, 2018, 02:26:42 PM
Just in Scranton to host this weekend.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 04, 2018, 02:39:27 PM

Rofrog;

Just in from where?

I was just on the NCAA site & nothing was posted 10 minutes ago.

Did it just go up?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 04, 2018, 03:14:27 PM
Twitter University of Scranton and Facebook
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 04, 2018, 03:17:47 PM


Ok thanks...it's now on the Lady Royal Homepage as well.

FANtastic!!!  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 04, 2018, 04:43:40 PM
 If the Lady Royals win out, they most likely would have to beat Bowdoin, Tufts, and Amherst in succession.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 04, 2018, 08:38:02 PM
Scranton wants to be on par with these nesac schools. Not sure they are there yet
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 05, 2018, 12:11:23 AM
So messiah shouldn't even show up then according to ronk and Amherst is in the Championship game already we have alot of game to be played.Amherst had a scare this week.Just saying.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 05, 2018, 12:15:41 AM
This is a great year for this young and I mean young lady Royals team and as far as Scranton be on par with the Nescac they are there if not very close .This team was picked 3rd not first like the men and they proved everyone wrong even myself I thought it would be a rebuilding year after losing 2 all Americans. I personally think this team is better then last year's team!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 05, 2018, 12:16:27 AM
One other thing do you see what coaching does!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 05, 2018, 01:41:44 AM


You know, perhaps the Lady Royals aren't quite there just yet as far as being "on par" with Tufts & Bowdoin, but the great thing is, here they are anyway, hosting those schools with at least one more game to play.

As Rofrog has pointed out, not too shabby for a team that graduated two All-Americans & is loaded with freshmen & sophomores.

This group of kids have already far surpassed everyone else's expectations & they're playing with house money.

Some schools never get to the Field of 64, Sweet 16 or Elite 8....ever.

This team knows nothing else under Coach Woodruff and regardless of what happens next against Bowdoin, Tufts or Messiah, they've already shown what some talent, combined with a dose of heart & passion can do when mixed with equal parts of quality coaching.

Well done ladies, well done!



















Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 05, 2018, 01:55:38 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on March 05, 2018, 12:11:23 AM
So messiah shouldn't even show up then according to ronk and Amherst is in the Championship game already we have alot of game to be played.Amherst had a scare this week.Just saying.

Tufts is merely the favorite in the Messiah game, not the foregone winner; they'll still have defeat a good Messiah team. Look for Leah Springer to be a big factor for Messiah.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 05, 2018, 01:56:46 AM
Saratoga well said  This is great accomplishments  for Coach Woodruff 1st season 30-1 elite 8,2nd year 26-4 sweet sixteen and this year is far from over 28-1 and hosting there second sectional not bad. ha some teams would love to have one of those seasons.Great job all around
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 05, 2018, 01:58:00 AM
You know what I say about big favorite through it out the window.The game is played on the floor not paper.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 05, 2018, 01:58:29 AM
throw
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 05, 2018, 02:00:56 AM
Ronk did you see what happened on opening weekend d3 hoops darling was knocked out Washington u.That is why the game is played on the floor and not on paper or by experts!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 05, 2018, 02:04:39 AM
Ronk saw the number one recruit at long center also this weekend.More to come
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 05, 2018, 02:09:06 AM
send me a PM or email about her.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 05, 2018, 02:14:13 AM
You coming up.tomScranton this week?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 05, 2018, 02:15:30 AM
You know who I am you sit by me at the away games at Catholic,Voucher and York pa this year
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 05, 2018, 02:16:08 AM
goucher
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 05, 2018, 08:19:40 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on March 05, 2018, 02:14:13 AM
You coming up.tomScranton this week?

Yes, I intend to be there, weather permitting.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 05, 2018, 06:35:01 PM
Hopefully the teams get in before Wednesday another Storm coming.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 05, 2018, 09:26:20 PM
I really like this young lady Royals chances of beating Bowdoin.I also like the chances of Messiah beating tufts if you look tufts lost to Albright which plays in the same conference As Messiah they will give tufts some fits all you do is shut down baptista and I think Coach Miller will go over that video time and time!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 05, 2018, 10:29:27 PM

Rofrog:

Just shutting down Melissa Baptista may be easier said than done.

As you know, some may have felt if you shut down Bridgett Mann you'll stop Scranton & I think Cabrini found out that wasn't actually true.

Tufts has multiple options just like the Lady Royals and Baptista wasn't even their top scorer this season, that honor goes to Erica DeCandida.

Add in a backcourt that's played together 3 years (Jac Knapp & Lauren Dillon) and throw in the NESCAC ROY in Emily Briggs & Tufts presents matchup challenges all over the court.

The fact that they have a pretty experienced coach doesn't hurt either.

At this point in the season, every team left brings multiple ways they can win.

The upsets become fewer & the cream really does rise to the top.

Too bad the UofS Spring break begins on Friday as that may impact the student section somewhat.

However, the Lady Royal focus & attention will be all on Bowdoin & devising a plan to slow them down and keep them from crashing the boards for second and third chance opportunities.

What a great time of year!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 05, 2018, 10:44:52 PM
Quote from: saratoga on March 05, 2018, 10:29:27 PM

Rofrog:

Just shutting down Melissa Baptista may be easier said than done.

As you know, some may have felt if you shut down Bridgett Mann you'll stop Scranton & I think Cabrini found out that wasn't actually true.

Tufts has multiple options just like the Lady Royals and Baptista wasn't even their top scorer this season, that honor goes to Erica DeCandida.

Add in a backcourt that's played together 3 years (Jac Knapp & Lauren Dillon) and throw in the NESCAC ROY in Emily Briggs & Tufts presents matchup challenges all over the court.

The fact that they have a pretty experienced coach doesn't hurt either.

At this point in the season, every team left brings multiple ways they can win.

The upsets become fewer & the cream really does rise to the top.

Too bad the UofS Spring break begins on Friday as that may impact the student section somewhat.

However, the Lady Royal focus & attention will be all on Bowdoin & devising a plan to slow them down and keep them from crashing the boards for second and third chance opportunities.

What a great time of year!

You think they're going to miss out on St. Patrick's day parade festivities?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 06, 2018, 01:46:27 AM
Ronk I agree 100%.Down at the Beer distributor las t Friday kids  from the U reserving ther kegs of natty ice lol.Not one but  two kegs  at a time.What a time of the year in the electric city.Toga i think that is a big key to this game!I know that you play five players but if you hold her to 10 points and not 26 I will take my shots Any day on anyone else beating them and I guarantee Mike Miller has that in his game plan maybe not completely stop but contain her.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 06, 2018, 07:10:42 AM
Juniata was going to stick with ThomasMore too. They got smoked.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 06, 2018, 10:52:16 AM

Ronk;

I guess my concern is based upon the fact that all UofS residence halls will close at 8:00pm on Friday.

If you have an apartment, no problem.

But, I have a hunch all the freshmen & sophomores in the dorms don't have a lot of say in the matter & the school apparently doesn't want them around Friday & Sat. night...I wonder why? :)

Additionally, there are probably kids taking off to Florida, Cancun & the Bahamas right after classes finish.

Too bad Spring Break wasn't a week later.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 06, 2018, 10:57:16 AM
Quote from: saratoga on March 06, 2018, 10:52:16 AM

Ronk;

I guess my concern is based upon the fact that all UofS residence halls will close at 8:00pm on Friday.

If you have an apartment, no problem.

But, I have a hunch all the freshmen & sophomores in the dorms don't have a lot of say in the matter & the school apparently doesn't want them around Friday & Sat. night...I wonder why? :)

Additionally, there are probably kids taking off to Florida, Cancun & the Bahamas right after classes finish.

Too bad Spring Break wasn't a week later.

Do u think the AD of the year can reverse that so that the home-court advantage isn't reduced?   ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 06, 2018, 11:22:52 AM
Seems like the crowd was feeding off the Cabrini crowd, they brought a good crowd that was vocal.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 06, 2018, 12:03:27 PM
Cabrini had an old drunk guy the kids got on especially after he attempted to storm the court after a call against them & had to be yanked back by some other fans.

Crazy.

I'm sure the place will be hopping but it would have been nice to have everyone on campus this week.

I'll point the Spring Break issue out to Dave & let him know that if it isn't corrected for next year, you'll no longer send that big check. :'(
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 06, 2018, 03:06:44 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 04, 2018, 04:43:40 PM
If the Lady Royals win out, they most likely would have to beat Bowdoin, Tufts, and Amherst in succession.

Um... you forgot a round. What about the semifinals? :)

Wartburg, St. Thomas... others... before Amherst. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 06, 2018, 03:44:05 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 06, 2018, 03:06:44 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 04, 2018, 04:43:40 PM
If the Lady Royals win out, they most likely would have to beat Bowdoin, Tufts, and Amherst in succession.

Um... you forgot a round. What about the semifinals? :)

Wartburg, St. Thomas... others... before Amherst. :)

As is said in the math world, necessary but not sufficient to win out; yes, a semifinal win is required, also, to win out. That was for the benefit of the NESCAC chatterers; we haven't had any Wartburgers on this end of the boards.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 06, 2018, 05:18:21 PM


Just wondering...

Have the Scranton men ever hosted in Danzig's tenure besides the year Ursinus forgot to apply to host & it was given to the Royals?

If that's it, that's one heck of a long time without a mens playoff game inside the Long Center.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 06, 2018, 06:14:37 PM
Quote from: saratoga on March 06, 2018, 05:18:21 PM


Just wondering...

Have the Scranton men ever hosted in Danzig's tenure besides the year Ursinus forgot to apply to host & it was given to the Royals?

If that's it, that's one heck of a long time without a mens playoff game inside the Long Center.

Yes, I think @ Baruch(William Paterson) in 06, Gettysburg(Elms) in 08, F&M(Brandeis), William Paterson(Messiah), Brockport(Hobart), and Babson(Baruch).
I'm remembering the Brockport year that the Royals finished high enough in the regional rankings to host but the NCAA had a geographical need to take the Mid-Atlantic's host and give it to the South(Emory).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 06, 2018, 07:54:28 PM
To top it off Saratoga: that drunk man was a family member of the coaching staff smh.I remember seeing him at alot of royal games in the past.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 06, 2018, 09:52:23 PM

Rofrog:

I'm assuming the association of the crazy guy is with Cabrini.

Ronk;

There was another road trip by Scranton.

In 2011 they were sent packing to Williams to face Becker 90210

Another first round exit.

That's pretty unbelievable...all these years & not once earning a host site for the hallowed hardwood of the Long Center.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 07, 2018, 10:12:45 AM
The women have been a blessing and a curse to this fan lol. Maybe they'll build a court devoted to the women's team so both can host.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 07, 2018, 12:08:14 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 07, 2018, 10:12:45 AM
The women have been a blessing and a curse to this fan lol. Maybe they'll build a court devoted to the women's team so both can host.

That won't happen. UWSP has dedicated courts and the NCAA (DIII rules) has indicated they will not allow them to dual host there, either. Can't have exceptions to the rules because it only causes chaos. Also, the rule is in place because they don't want either tournament slighted compared to the other. In some way, administrations would have to make decisions on where resources go or how each is treated. Hard to duplicate both equally. Stevenson, if they ever had the chance, could do a split as well... again, won't be allowed.

Scranton men have been in a position to host on several occasions and the women having priority has thwarted them. There also was one year (2014?) where we all felt Scranton should have hosted and the committee pulled out from them. There was a famous pod at VWC (now VWU; they should have hosted) that had three Mid-Atlantic teams in it; bracketing that year wasn't the best effort.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on March 07, 2018, 06:14:56 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 07, 2018, 10:12:45 AM
The women have been a blessing and a curse to this fan lol. Maybe they'll build a court devoted to the women's team so both can host.
The Woodruff Dome?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 07, 2018, 06:53:37 PM


If Trevor keeps winning at the pace he's established, he'll at least get another office to meet those new recruits and new bleachers in the Long Center while the Dome is being constructed.



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 08, 2018, 11:04:42 AM
I was going to write that I was being sarcastic...but didn't think I needed to.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on March 08, 2018, 11:32:27 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 08, 2018, 11:04:42 AM
I was going to write that I was being sarcastic...but didn't think I needed to.
Anything I post about Trevor is sarcastic.  Except the one about him looking great on the radio.  That was sincere.  And true.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 08, 2018, 06:30:02 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 08, 2018, 11:04:42 AM
I was going to write that I was being sarcastic...but didn't think I needed to.

Yeah... I can get you might have been... but you wouldn't believe how many people who aren't following along or whatnot think those are real options... so I try and make sure to cover the bases. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 08, 2018, 08:01:32 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on March 08, 2018, 11:32:27 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 08, 2018, 11:04:42 AM
I was going to write that I was being sarcastic...but didn't think I needed to.
Anything I post about Trevor is sarcastic.  Except the one about him looking great on the radio.  That was sincere.  And true.

With friends like you...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 09, 2018, 10:52:48 PM
That 2nd quarter decided that game.Great year Ladies you will be back at it again .Thank you seniors
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 09, 2018, 11:03:05 PM

What an absolutely fantastic season by the Lady Royals.

That said, congratulations to Tufts & Bowdoin...the two best teams standing.

Trevor used smoke, mirrors & duct tape and he brought these kids as far as they could go.

A great game to watch & the Lady Royals have absolutely no reason to hang their heads...they left everything on the court.

Give Bowdoin credit, every time the ladies made a run, they nailed their open looks or got an offensive rebound to reset.

Scranton needs some help on the wing to take some of the pressure off Bridgett but what a wonderful finish for Katie & Katie.

Thanks everyone for another fantastic season.

Seven more months till practice starts!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 09, 2018, 11:17:55 PM
Comment from a Bowdoin fan im only quoting him (We never shoot this many threes)Well he was in a zone for sometime smh .
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 09, 2018, 11:21:23 PM

One killer of a stat...

Bowdoin had 19 offensive rebounds, Lady Royals had 4.

Killed on the glass & multiple shots in the same sequence will eventually do you in.

Should be a great game tomorrow...I'm going with:

Bowdoin: 53

Tufts: 65

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 09, 2018, 11:29:25 PM
Saratoga here is another stat Bowdoin 32.9 pct from the field 35.7 from beyond the arc 10-28Scranton 40.0 from the field 16.7 pct from the arc3-18  big difference 30pts to 9 pts
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 09, 2018, 11:37:05 PM

Bowdoin had multiple kids willing to shoot after finding the soft spot in the zone...the Lady Royals were trying to be too perfect on every possession and were tentative on the trigger.

These kids rode the gravy train as far as they could.

What a finish for Katie F.

Talk about improving her game & wanting the ball...hope she can pull a Moravian & find a fifth year.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 10, 2018, 12:44:44 AM
 Thanks to the 2 Katies for laying the groundwork for a great season, one not thought possible in many quarters. And to Katie F., you're in my top 5 Royals all-time for improvement over the 4 years, despite playing behind 2 All-Americans. Best wishes to both in the future.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 10, 2018, 03:09:14 PM
Quote from: saratoga on March 09, 2018, 11:21:23 PM

One killer of a stat...

Bowdoin had 19 offensive rebounds, Lady Royals had 4.

Killed on the glass & multiple shots in the same sequence will eventually do you in.

Should be a great game tomorrow...I'm going with:

Bowdoin: 53

Tufts: 65


I'll go with Tufts also, but by a lesser difference, say 6. Likewise, it should be a great game. Tufts has just a little more everything; what they don't have is Kate Kerrigan who won't let Bowdoin lose. Kate's high school teammate was Tufts' PG Lauren Dillon(from talking with Kate's father after the game). I mentioned to him that Kate was my favorite player from her AAU days 4 summers ago.
  Thought the Scranton strategy to start with a 3-2 zone defense was commendable; the defenders were just too slow to close out the Bowdoin 3-pt shooters. Bowdoin had more such shots(most, uncontested) in each of the 1st 2 quarters than Scranton had total shots. Scranton knew about Kate being a force on the offensive boards; sometimes, it's hard to translate that knowledge into effective results. That's part of what separates the great players from the rest of us.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Maine 1 on March 10, 2018, 03:48:46 PM
 I thought Scranton's zone was soft and  they stayed in it too long.  Bowdoin was getting easy uncontested threes, and a lot of them.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 10, 2018, 07:11:56 PM
Maine one agreed he meaning coach never played zone (much) all year long then he does it this game after 2 3pt you switch he did stay in it to long .
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 10, 2018, 07:12:30 PM
Look it is the 3 period they are 1-9
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 10, 2018, 07:13:43 PM
Stats don't lie they had 30 pts off of 3 pts we had 9
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 10, 2018, 07:14:49 PM
I know one thing they will be calling Scranton Nescac south.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 11, 2018, 09:23:12 PM
Everyone enjoy the off season hopefully the recruits are committed and they release them in July not November.Saratoga see you around.Ronk maybe catch you at a couple aau games.Be safe all
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 11, 2018, 09:38:49 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on March 11, 2018, 09:23:12 PM
Everyone enjoy the off season hopefully the recruits are committed and they release them in July not November.Saratoga see you around.Ronk maybe catch you at a couple aau games.Be safe all

We can talk about them in July all we want, but don't they have to get on campus, start classes, show up at practices, get a jersey, and start to play before it really matters? :) This is DIII, not DI. They are beholden to the schools or the teams.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 11, 2018, 11:07:11 PM
Dave deposits have to be made by May.So I think a coach has a great idea who is committed to the school.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 11, 2018, 11:11:16 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on March 11, 2018, 11:07:11 PM
Dave deposits have to be made by May.So I think a coach has a great idea who is committed to the school.

Oh I know that... but my point is, there are plenty of examples of players who end up either not showing up after their deposit is put down, change their minds after they get to campus, don't pan out once practices start (or before, just ask the Mary Washington women what that is all about), or don't play - heck... even injuries play a roll.

Many ask why I don't get excited about recruiting in DIII... all of those reasons have factored into many recruits not actually playing for teams everyone expected them. I don't get serious about players until I see them playing in games.

So I was giving a hard time, tongue and cheek wise, because of how much in DIII is unknown in this department.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 12, 2018, 09:08:31 AM
Are any issues you raise unique to d3?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 12, 2018, 12:29:13 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 12, 2018, 09:08:31 AM
Are any issues you raise unique to d3?

Yes... all unique to D3. In D2 and D1 student-athletes who are getting scholarships sign contracts. There is a lot more going on before that student even steps on campus. And coaches know full well who is coming and who will have a jersey.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 12, 2018, 01:44:02 PM
Yet they can still decommit, or decided not to show up in September. Point is there is uncertainty at ever level, the ability to talk about recruits is what keeps posters like us to remain engaged through the summer.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 12, 2018, 02:06:06 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 12, 2018, 01:44:02 PM
Yet they can still decommit, or decided not to show up in September. Point is there is uncertainty at ever level, the ability to talk about recruits is what keeps posters like us to remain engaged through the summer.

I just feel that when a recruit commits at the higher levels, there is FAR more certainty they are coming and playing... based basically on the paperwork they have to sign (rightly or wrongly). I think in DIII it can be a total crap shoot.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 13, 2018, 12:08:06 AM
 Dave I have to disagree with the total crap shoot theory.These kids go to.the school first and for emost for academic as in d1 they gp for the scholarships and to make money.This is why I love d3 because these kids go for there education first   athletics last.I truly believe these coaches know who is coming to school they start re rioting as a junior and so on.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 13, 2018, 12:14:21 AM
Also I can tell you every year,It gets out there you see them at the games that they are the next one to come to the U.Thst is why I don't understand why hold on to November that was my point.Nepafan,Saratoga,ronk and I share little notes behind close doors because we know who is coming(Sometimes)One thing I have to say about Danzing he always mentions his recruits way before the season starts)!So it's not the part about if they show up its about putting it out there so your fan base can start getting excited for that purpose.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 13, 2018, 01:33:57 AM
sorry it is suppose to say recruit not re rioting
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 13, 2018, 09:39:37 AM
rofrog you can edit your posts , there should be a modify button..

And glad we agree on the recruits. ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 13, 2018, 10:13:40 AM
Gentleman,

No recruits are secure until Ronk submits his paperwork to four NESCAC schools and one Landmark.

Article IV, Section II of the NCAA Division III bylaws clearly states:

Only upon actual written receipt of said scouting report from Ronk will aforementioned schools (Amherst, Williams, Tufts, Middlebury, Scranton and on occasion, CNU) be allowed to release the names of incoming student athletes.


Therefore, any delay in hearing about recruits/transfers appears to be less on the respective coaches and a little more on the Ronkster filing his AAU reports a little sooner. ;)


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 13, 2018, 11:44:35 AM
Quote from: saratoga on March 13, 2018, 10:13:40 AM
Gentleman,

No recruits are secure until Ronk submits his paperwork to four NESCAC schools and one Landmark.

Article IV, Section II of the NCAA Division III bylaws clearly states:

Only upon actual written receipt of said scouting report from Ronk will aforementioned schools (Amherst, Williams, Tufts, Middlebury, Scranton and on occasion, CNU) be allowed to release the names of incoming student athletes.


Therefore, any delay in hearing about recruits/transfers appears to be less on the respective coaches and a little more on the Ronkster filing his AAU reports a little sooner. ;)

At the moment, I have Tufts(2), CNU(2), Catholic(2), Muhlenberg(1), Wesleyan(1), Trinity-CT & TX(1 each), Carnegie-Mellon(1), Lynchburg(1), MIT(1) and Scranton,Amherst,Williams,Middlebury(0) of the ones who have verballed to D3 schools. The MIT and Carnegie-Mellon choices were my highest ranked prospects of these. Still a few undeclareds remaining, but hopefully, Trevor has more on his own list.

BTW, I had 2(Kerrigan,Sire) of the regional POYs announced today on my past lists; missed out on Bridgette because she didn't play much AAU.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 13, 2018, 04:49:31 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on March 13, 2018, 12:08:06 AM
Dave I have to disagree with the total crap shoot theory.These kids go to.the school first and for emost for academic as in d1 they gp for the scholarships and to make money.This is why I love d3 because these kids go for there education first   athletics last.I truly believe these coaches know who is coming to school they start re rioting as a junior and so on.

I am fully aware of the decisions students make to come to DIII. I have been in and around DIII since the mid-90s. I am a former DIII student-athlete. Proud of that. But that is also why I can say from personal experience it can be a crap shoot. I have had incredible talented teammates decide not to play anymore. Recruits were swear were going to play decide to stick to academics (and I was a fall sport, so that is a quick decision). Of course transfers because the school didn't fit what they wanted - nothing to do with academics (heck, some of that Scranton has experienced lately).

And yes, coaches get a sense of who is coming... but I know from a story of a friend of mine who's daughter was being recruiting by one of the top CCIW teams to come play for them. That coach was pretty sure the decision was their's. When the player chose her school, it was a more local one without the same prowess of a program. The CCIW coach was a bit surprised. They may know who they have coming starting with recruiting in mid-Junior year, but that doesn't mean things don't change even at the last minute. I have heard the stories, seen them play out, there is a comment on another board of a player committed to Loras who has now decommitted and looking at DII.

It is what it is and I just don't buy that much stock in the pre-season excitement.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 13, 2018, 10:28:03 PM

Somewhat of a head scratcher with the Mid-Atlantic pick for Women's Coach of the Year.

Fully agree that Juniata had a very nice season, received an at large bid to the tournament & even won a game.

However, the Scranton coaching staff with the loss of not one but two All-Americans, picked third by the other coaches in the Landmark turns around and not only wins the regular season but then wins the Landmark tournament, hosts the first round (wins both games) and then is picked as the host site for the Sectionals, advances to the Sweet 16 for the second straight year (the Elite 8) the previous season and gives Bowdoin one of its toughest games all season & by the way...ends up 28-2 & somehow Juniata's 23-6 record creates a more worthy coaching staff??

I would argue the body of work between the two teams certainly suggests otherwise.

Having a really nice season is one thing, having a truly fantastic eye-opening one is quite another.

Not saying this was a bad call by the other Landmark coaches, but it most certainly is the wrong call.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 13, 2018, 10:46:45 PM
Juniata was 10-15 last year, and 2-12 in the Landmark. Improved by 13 wins. That was the case for Danny Young-Uhrich.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 14, 2018, 11:21:11 PM
Talking about recruiting watching Syracuse tonight heard Boeheim speak of his daughter and playing the states.Well checked it out she will be going to U of R nice article.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 15, 2018, 12:04:33 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on March 14, 2018, 11:21:11 PM
Talking about recruiting watching Syracuse tonight heard Boeheim speak of his daughter and playing the states.Well checked it out she will be going to U of R nice article.

Knew about her but her AAU tourney choices last summer didn't coincide with mine. Thought Jim would return the favor of stealing Gerry MacNamara by having her go to Scranton.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 15, 2018, 01:26:35 AM
Pretty interesting story on how he rushed Syracuse into giving him the head coaching job by saying he was going to coach for U of R.He was just in the paper about playing with the Scranton Miners.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 15, 2018, 09:30:26 AM
Also twitter is a phenomenon in and of itself. Kids are committing and putting it out there for all to see.

Rofrog: The last Danzig is going to Scranton...he may be the tallest at 6'6
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 15, 2018, 10:26:03 PM
That is where I get my info Nepafan.I knew about Danzing and a kid out of Binghamton.But the women have a couple good recruits I will not say on here though.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 17, 2018, 11:21:17 PM
Congratulations to Amherst on back to back National Champs.I just don't know how he does it.He loses players and keeps winning.I think to win a National title you have to be committed as a team(From the beginning of the year) and have athletic players and Strong defense it just shows with Gromacki year in and year out.I wish we can just win a National title.Yes we won but the Flintstones where around(Joking).But not bad for coach 3 years in a row,1st year  elite 8 (30-1 lost to Tufts)2nd year sweet 16 (26-4 lost to Tufts) and his 3rd year Sweet 16(28-2 lost to Bowdoin so it seems like Scranton will always play a Nescac team once they  make it to the sweet 16.This is  not even his full recruiting class yet So things are looking bright happy off season!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 18, 2018, 01:46:30 AM
 Scranton was eliminated by the national runner-up each of the last 3 years.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 18, 2018, 02:03:03 AM
Ronk how does he do it?They  will lose 3 seniors again this year and make it again Just smh.I noticed one thing about Bowdoin,Tufts why they played in Scranton.Everyone of those girls can run the floor,They are not out of shape that is great to see they are only 18,19 year old kids they should be able to do that.I hope he gets help for Bridgette this off season.She definetly needs help just think what she has been doing by herself since she came here you definetly need someone to compliment her,Just like Strong did with Allison Matt and Taryn Mellody!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 18, 2018, 02:18:25 AM
 Amherst is very attractive, academically, and GP is an excellent coach and recruiter.  The 4 sophs, 3 of whom start, were all on my list 3 summers ago. They just found Amherst to be a better fit than Scranton. Just an example of the difficulty in competing with high academic schools, not to mention losing out for financial reasons to the state schools(SUNYs, NJACs, PSACs, etc.). Too bad Carl Danzig didn't have some daughters, also.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BBstudent on March 19, 2018, 05:03:05 PM
With respect to GP losing kids to graduation but continuing to win, keep in mind that in all three cases (St Lawrence, Hamilton and Amherst) he came into programs with mediocre records and, I believe, took every one of them to the NCAA tournament (at least quarter finals?) his first year. That is, he took the former coach's team, a schedule already set and won with them.
I believe at Amherst there was only one new player between the last year before he took over and the first year he coached. I have seen him coach from from the beginning - was there at the first Amherst game he coached and too many since then. I often look at the opposing team and it looks like they have more individual talent, but he still wins. Even this year, after watching Bowdoin and Tufts, I thought as individual players they were more talented than Amherst but as teams they can't beat him.
I really believe that he can beat Team X with his Amherst team, switch teams and after a few days of practice come back and win with Team X against Amherst.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 19, 2018, 07:06:06 PM
 I remember Gromacki at St Lawrence and Hamilton both times he played Scranton in the Ncaa and lost to them.The St lawerrence trip was a ride!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 19, 2018, 07:12:45 PM
 I suggested to Coach Gromacki that he apply for the opening(at that time) in Scranton's Poinsettia tourney this coming season; haven't heard yet if he followed through on my suggestion.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 20, 2018, 11:44:53 AM
Quote from: ronk on March 19, 2018, 07:12:45 PM
I suggested to Coach Gromacki that he apply for the opening(at that time) in Scranton's Poinsettia tourney this coming season; haven't heard yet if he followed through on my suggestion.

There is speculation he may be bringing the team back to another tournament we have promoted. :)

Just rumor to be honest. Unless something is signed and paid for, anything is possible.

As for your suggestion, I am not sure he can do a tournament at that time. That timing tends to be when they have to shutdown for varying reasons. The latest I have seen him play in recent years is a solo game on the 12th or 13th. I know most NESCAC teams don't play much after that until after Christmas. The schools and conference have some rules pertaining to that - especially surrounding exams. Middlebury's men's coach Jeff Brown touched on them earlier this season on Hoopsville.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 20, 2018, 03:06:45 PM
 Checked the Amherst academic calendar and this year their exams were the week after the tourney, so there's no likelihood of them playing in that particular tourney. Maybe a single game earlier/later can happen.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 13, 2018, 10:32:35 PM

Trump is a bigger scum bag than I ever imagined.

The poor people of Syria haven't been through enough but now this jackass decides to drop bombs to take everyones attention away from all his mistakes.

I'm sure this will absolutely help the poor people just trying to make it through another day between the Russians, Assad, the Iranians & now us.

Second act of Wag The Dog.

Sorry for my rant on a b-ball site but this idiot nauseates me.



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 14, 2018, 11:36:17 AM


Ok...back to basketball.

Looks like Marywood coach Tara Macciocco has left for the Wilkes opening when Wilkes did not renew the contract of their former coach.

Could be a great chance for Univ. of Scranton Asst. Taylor Coleman to move across town and have her own program.

I think Tara took Marywood about as far as she could.

Wilkes will certainly be a challenge to get back on track after about 20 abysmal years but I'm sure Tara will move the needle down there in a positive way.



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 14, 2018, 08:12:21 PM
since we are doing potpourri here, Dean Corwin was calling the baseball game today. New field, video and play by play...whats next?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 14, 2018, 10:08:53 PM
 Financial contributors get to throw the honorary 1st pitch?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on April 20, 2018, 11:18:16 AM
On the subject of contributions, I'll be heading to Allentown Pa. in June to attend the Coach Strong / PJ Carlesimo event. Anyone else ?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 20, 2018, 01:30:16 PM
 I consider it every year but haven't pulled the trigger, yet. I'm more likely to attend this year than before because of the honoree. I'll let u know if I'll go - probably, an early June decision.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on April 21, 2018, 01:44:15 AM
The long center is looking nice.Bleacher out new paint on the ceilings looks good.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on June 13, 2018, 09:33:57 AM
Hi, I introduced myself on the men' site:  I'm a longtime reader of these posts and alumnus of Scranton.

Knowing that things change between now and the fall, is there any word on recruits?  I am aware of two Philly-area players who have committed to "da U"...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 13, 2018, 01:25:56 PM
 There is also at least 1 local - Erin Worzel from Wallenpaupack; there's thought to be 1 other local and 1 commit(in February) from out of the area but I haven't seen anything official about those 2, yet.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on June 15, 2018, 12:34:08 PM
Will be heading to Bethlehem Pa., on Monday, for the Carlesimo Dinner, Coach Strong Event. I'm hoping a few '76 Rock'n Roll Royals show up.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 15, 2018, 05:27:12 PM
Quote from: sp0rtsfan on June 15, 2018, 12:34:08 PM
Will be heading to Bethlehem Pa., on Monday, for the Carlesimo Dinner, Coach Strong Event. I'm hoping a few '76 Rock'n Roll Royals show up.

Nepafan and I will be there, also; c u then.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: sp0rtsfan on June 19, 2018, 10:31:04 AM
It was a good time at the Coach Strong event. Was also glad to see Edzo, Joe. C. and Eddie B. from the '76 team.

To Ronk and Nepafan:   I should have made a better effort to meet up with you guys. Perhaps at the Long Center during the upcoming season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on August 13, 2018, 07:19:43 PM

A good portion of the Lady Royal's schedule is now up.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: mailsy on August 20, 2018, 08:10:40 PM
Cabrini head coach and Scranton alum, Kate Pearson was honored at the inaugural Philadelphia's Greatest Women Athletes and Coaches Awards Ceremony.

https://cabriniathletics.com/news/2018/8/20/basketball-women-pearson-honored-among-philadelphias-greatest.aspx
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on October 24, 2018, 11:11:58 AM
It hasn't been officially posted yet, but it looks like there will be 7 new faces on the Lady Royals roster this year:  the five already mentioned plus two from Long Island (one freshman, one transfer).  Three veterans appear to not be returning...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 24, 2018, 08:36:25 PM
WRT the Long Island 2, I've only seen the xfer play for a few minutes 2 years ago(not enough for a meaningful evaluation), but a couple  of L I AAU coaches spoke well of them in July.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 03, 2018, 02:30:06 PM
My preseason forecast;

Only Catholic and Scranton had any recognizable(to me) incoming frosh; Juniata(Morgan Anstone) and E-town(Abby Beyer,Ashley Reynolds) were missing returning starters from their rosters

1. Scranton
2. Moravian,Catholic tie
4. Drew
5. E-town
6. Juniata
7. Susquehanna
8. Goucher
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 04, 2018, 07:29:05 PM

I'm seeing Ashley Reynolds name on E-town's roster.

Looks like Julia Sirotnak is missing from Moravian's & the big girl that played at Drew last season seems to be awol as well.

If Morgan Anstone isn't playing at Juniata, that is a pretty big loss as is Abby Beyer for E-town.

Also looks like the renovations at the Long Center cost them 500 seats...not sure why that had to happen.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 04, 2018, 08:12:36 PM
Quote from: saratoga on November 04, 2018, 07:29:05 PM

I'm seeing Ashley Reynolds name on E-town's roster.

Looks like Julia Sirotnak is missing from Moravian's & the big girl that played at Drew last season seems to be awol as well.

If Morgan Anstone isn't playing at Juniata, that is a pretty big loss as is Abby Beyer for E-town.

Also looks like the renovations at the Long Center cost them 500 seats...not sure why that had to happen.

My preseason forecast(revised after Ashley Reynolds was no longer missing from E-town's roster

Only Catholic and Scranton had any recognizable(to me) incoming frosh; Juniata(Morgan Anstone) and E-town(Abby Beyer) were missing returning starters from their rosters

1. Scranton
2. Moravian,Catholic,E-town tie
5. Drew
6. Juniata
7. Susquehanna
8. Goucher
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on November 05, 2018, 05:44:15 PM
Quote from: saratoga on November 04, 2018, 07:29:05 PM
.....Also looks like the renovations at the Long Center cost them 500 seats...not sure why that had to happen.
My guess would be that bleacher design and code enforcement have changed over the last 60(?) years.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 05, 2018, 06:29:02 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on November 05, 2018, 05:44:15 PM
Quote from: saratoga on November 04, 2018, 07:29:05 PM
.....Also looks like the renovations at the Long Center cost them 500 seats...not sure why that had to happen.
My guess would be that bleacher design and code enforcement have changed over the last 60(?) years.

Video (from the men's scrimmage?) shows 5 aisles on one side where there were 2 before; so duping that on the near side plus the baseline may account for most of the decrease.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 05, 2018, 06:43:20 PM
Morgan is out of the season at Juniata with an injury.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 05, 2018, 07:19:43 PM

Thanks Gordon.

That's a fairly significant loss for JC.

She's a really good player at both ends.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 05, 2018, 08:58:01 PM
 I think she missed a significant part of her frosh year with an injury, which is why she was a such a surprise with her good play last season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 07, 2018, 11:05:10 PM
 Catholic falls to Navy tonite 81-36. Deficit went from 7-5(mid 1st quarter) to 37-11(just before half). Cards started 2 juniors and 3 frosh so they may be a year away. A 4th frosh did not play but she has sufficient game to be a factor this season.
Other local exhibitions last nite: Gettysburg loses to UMBC 64-51 and Washington College to Mt St Mary's 74-50.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 20, 2018, 08:20:52 PM

Holy Cow...DeSales is playing first week basketball like it's late January.

They've already scored over 100 twice in three games & dropped 90 something on a pretty decent Stevens team & tonight they simply crushed an undefeated Moravian squad by at least 40 scoring again in the high 90's.

Lady Royals better get healthy, improve the rebounding, hustle & post offense real soon.

Need some points in the paint to open things up otherwise this could be a long night.

I'm sure the Lady Royals will be DeSales toughest test defensively but they need to score too.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 22, 2018, 09:57:54 AM
 Watched 1st half of DeSales'(next Scranton opponent) thumping of Moravian in video replay - nothing unusual to report
  pressed man-to-man full court,using up some of shot clock,forced turnovers, made Moravian's spot shooters(Capuano,Brogan) ineffective in dribbling, transition baskets, spread them out in half-court offense.   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 26, 2018, 08:59:01 PM

What a great comeback by the Lady Royals.

They really tightened their D from the second quarter on, got points in the paint & nailed their free throws.

Only thing they might do differently is spread the floor when there was 1:50 left & Desales already with 5 fouls so Bridgett could drive the lane & hopefully get fouled rather than passing on the perimeter & risking the turnover.

A team still growing & nursing kids back to playing condition from early season injuries.

Defensively, they held Desales to about 40 points under their average.

Great game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 26, 2018, 11:06:51 PM
 Doesn't hurt to get a slap in the face by Desales to realize there's a difference required to get by top 10% level teams; it won't get done on talent alone. Kudos to the Lady Royals for fighting through it tonite.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 27, 2018, 09:49:27 AM
This is a great site in lieu of the scranton times having a pay wall. Good article with quotes from last night's game as well.


http://nepabasketball.com/landing/index


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 27, 2018, 11:34:44 AM
Nepa,
Thanks, that's a big help in following sports in the region.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 28, 2018, 08:14:31 PM

NEPA:

Nice article, thanks for sharing.

Right now, the Lady Royals have much work to do.

Over 20 turnovers tonight, most of them unforced, far too many offensive rebounds allowed throughout the game.

That said, an ugly win is still better than a pretty loss.

KGB...keep getting better.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 28, 2018, 09:03:39 PM
 A step backwards tonite, offensively. Turnover fever has spread throughout the team. Could use Ben Bosland's twin sister(if he has one) to run the show.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 02, 2018, 10:04:17 AM
What's the story with Mann's injury?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 10, 2018, 11:18:56 PM
Another nice win for the Lady Royals without mann in the lineup.Trevor is starting to find his lineup man the freshman can play with anyone,First time seeing Emily Shurina she is a player just like MCCurdy
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 12, 2018, 05:57:23 AM
I didnt want to leave two other freshman out for the lady royals that cam also ball hannah and Erin very very talented kids.Smile from Ear to Ear.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 15, 2018, 09:05:19 PM
Nice win Lady Royals against a very good team in Ithaca.Ithaca is well rounded team another team like Desales that has great guard play.They should be in the tournament this year pending no injuries but hats off to Ithaca who played well the two nights in Scranton.Best of luck the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 15, 2018, 11:14:25 PM
 There was a big improvement in the short passing game of the Lady Royals today against a good Ithaca team. Sofia also had success with the pick-and-roll, finishing a number of baskets. Makenzie had 10 pts, 9 rebs, 5 assists 2 steals, and 1 great block of a layup.
  Kudos to Ithaca's sparkplug(passing,scoring stealing passes), Annie Giannone. She was on my prospect list 4 years ago but chose Ithaca, instead. Best wishes to the team and Coach Raymond for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 20, 2018, 05:33:22 PM

Two former University of Scranton greats coaching against one another tonight in Las Vegas.

Kelly (Lewandowski) Baskow of Salisbury matching strategy against Kate (Pierangeli) Pearson of Cabrini.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 20, 2018, 07:22:45 PM
Quote from: saratoga on December 20, 2018, 05:33:22 PM

Two former University of Scranton greats coaching against one another tonight in Las Vegas.

Kelly (Lewandowski) Baskow of Salisbury matching strategy against Kate (Pierangeli) Pearson of Cabrini.

They were teammates for 2 years.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 21, 2018, 06:12:52 AM
Quote from: ronk on December 20, 2018, 07:22:45 PM
Quote from: saratoga on December 20, 2018, 05:33:22 PM

Two former University of Scranton greats coaching against one another tonight in Las Vegas.

Kelly (Lewandowski) Baskow of Salisbury matching strategy against Kate (Pierangeli) Pearson of Cabrini.

They were teammates for 2 years.

I believe they're also best friends.  I did a column on them a few years back - I'm sure it's in the Mid-Atlantic ATR archive.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 21, 2018, 01:01:12 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 21, 2018, 06:12:52 AM
Quote from: ronk on December 20, 2018, 07:22:45 PM
Quote from: saratoga on December 20, 2018, 05:33:22 PM

Two former University of Scranton greats coaching against one another tonight in Las Vegas.

Kelly (Lewandowski) Baskow of Salisbury matching strategy against Kate (Pierangeli) Pearson of Cabrini.

They were teammates for 2 years.

I'm remembering(perhaps, incorrectly) from that article that they wouldn't schedule each other; if true, someone reconsidered that position. 


I believe they're also best friends.  I did a column on them a few years back - I'm sure it's in the Mid-Atlantic ATR archive.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 22, 2018, 12:56:25 PM
Would like to wish all a Merry Christmas!!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 23, 2018, 10:20:46 AM

Merry Christmas to you as well.

Happy Hanukkah to others and to all a very

Happy Festivus. (although the airing of the grievances began a little early this year).

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 30, 2018, 07:41:51 PM
is there a feed for the game tonight?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 30, 2018, 07:44:10 PM
Looks like video of the Lady Royals' game with Roger Williams got interrupted(dropped) by the host school(WPI) after the 1st quarter with Scranton leading 24-12.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 30, 2018, 07:45:55 PM
Back on now.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on December 31, 2018, 08:47:19 PM
Happy New Year!  May 2019 start the way that 2018 ended for the Lady Royals!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 05, 2019, 05:54:36 PM

I hope the supervisor of officials reviews the three refs in the Scranton/E-town women's game today & deems them unworthy of any future college games.

I have never mentioned the refs in any previous post but I can't ignore the absolutely horrendous job this crew did today.

Clueless is an understatement.

All Etown had to do was drive the lane & it was a foul.

Bottom line...home cooking gave Etown 20 more free throws than the Royals.

That said, the refs were not the reason the Lady Royals had 24 (mostly unforced) turnovers.

As we move into crunch time, taking care of the ball has to be a priority.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 05, 2019, 08:35:20 PM
Toga; The only way E-town stayed in the game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 10, 2019, 06:17:15 PM
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Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 10, 2019, 09:48:57 PM
Did I miss the coaches interview.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 10, 2019, 09:55:08 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on January 10, 2019, 09:48:57 PM
Did I miss the coaches interview.

No ... we had tech issues ... and I think there was a file underneath ... it may have not happened at all. We are going through the archive(s) to see what might have actually happened.

If we screwed it up (it was one of those damn nights), we will get Trevor back on the show as soon as we can.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 11, 2019, 12:03:05 AM
UPDATE:

I botched it. Completely screwed the pooch. I am terribly sorry, folks. Trevor will probably be fine with it considering his voice was a bit rough, but I am frustrated and disappointed I would make such a mistake.

I am very sorry. We will try and get Trevor on a show very soon to chat again. Trust me, it was a fun interview. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on January 11, 2019, 11:20:39 AM
I always enjoy seeing Trevor on the radio.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 11, 2019, 01:15:29 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on January 11, 2019, 11:20:39 AM
I always enjoy seeing Trevor on the radio.

If only we were doing a radio show ...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 12, 2019, 08:01:11 AM

The Scranton/Catholic women's & men's games will be broadcast on TV in the Scranton-Pocono northeast today on Fox.

Hope Bridget is ready to go  ;).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 12, 2019, 10:11:50 AM
Quote from: saratoga on January 12, 2019, 08:01:11 AM

The Scranton/Catholic women's & men's games will be broadcast on TV in the Scranton-Pocono northeast today on Fox.

Hope Bridget is ready to go  ;).

Won't have to rely on the camera operator following the action    ::)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 12, 2019, 10:30:54 AM

Thank God.

Nor will we need to hear the person back at the station giving the 5,4,3,2,1 heads up to Dean when the commercial is ending.

How the Royal broadcasts can be so messed up after all the years of doing them is a mystery.

One would think that the first lesson to be learned when being hired to operate the camera for a basketball game is to follow the action.

Spending 3 minutes texting your friends & leaving the camera stuck in one area of the court while the game is being played should kind of be discouraged.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 13, 2019, 03:56:06 PM
Toga that really bothers you huh?

At least a few more bodies in the building this weekend
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 13, 2019, 10:09:58 PM
According to Dave Scranton barely got by Catholic girls .What game was I at then??????
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 13, 2019, 10:10:45 PM
Were you at a girls game? I would have thought it was a women's game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 13, 2019, 10:11:41 PM
 Yes your correct but facts buddy 53-36
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 14, 2019, 07:26:05 AM

I have to admit I didn't hear what was said, however; if winning by 17 without the best all-around player in the league in uniform for Scranton is "barely getting by", then it seems the concept of that definition has certainly changed.

Wonder if there will even be a mention of Trevor hitting 100 wins in only 3 1/2 seasons anywhere on this site by any writer when he more than likely attains that mark on Wednesday evening?

I hope those associated with D3 Hoops take a minute & reflect what a pretty remarkable total that is in such a short period of time & give Trevor & his program the ink they deserve.

I also remember how certain people said Scranton's program would be set back 5 years because of the late hire.

How'd that work out?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 14, 2019, 02:28:20 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on January 13, 2019, 10:09:58 PM
According to Dave Scranton barely got by Catholic girls .What game was I at then??????

When I was reading scores from a source, it either had the wrong score or I flipped a couple of numbers ... making it seem like Scranton only won by three points. That type of result didn't surprise me considering the information I had about Mann's injury, so I didn't think it was wrong when I said it. Clearly, that wasn't the score ... so I apologize for the mistake.

Thank you for listening to the show, though!

BTW - where you listening to the show live? If so, feel free to message me through the numerous options to do so. Being a solo-host, producer, booker, social media manager, etc., etc., etc., I do make mistakes and appreciate when someone mentions them so I can correct them on air.

Quote from: saratoga on January 14, 2019, 07:26:05 AM

I have to admit I didn't hear what was said, however; if winning by 17 without the best all-around player in the league in uniform for Scranton is "barely getting by", then it seems the concept of that definition has certainly changed.

Wonder if there will even be a mention of Trevor hitting 100 wins in only 3 1/2 seasons anywhere on this site by any writer when he more than likely attains that mark on Wednesday evening?

I hope those associated with D3 Hoops take a minute & reflect what a pretty remarkable total that is in such a short period of time & give Trevor & his program the ink they deserve.

I also remember how certain people said Scranton's program would be set back 5 years because of the late hire.

How'd that work out?

We don't tend to mention many coaches hitting 100 wins in general. Trevor complicates things having coached men already - meaning he has experience before taking over the Royals program - so really, he's well passed 100 wins.

Pretty sure we have given Trevor plenty of credit - you are welcome to ask him if we have. Unfortunately a technical screw up kept people from hearing the interview I had with him last week where I did talk about his success so quickly at the helm. As you would expect, he ducked the kind words and talked about the program in general.

I was one of those who did say I was concerned the late hire would set back the program. It was a legit concern because the hiring process to replace Mike Strong had been completely bungled. At no time, until late in the process, was Trevor mentioned to me as a candidate. Many times when a program botches the hire (remember, they missed out on Nate Davis by being late to the punch the first time around; he has shown he would have been a stellar choice as well), there are far less quality candidates interested - especially late in the hiring process for a current season. They made a bold choice in Trevor (switching genders is not an easy transition for any coach) and it has paid off well. I have stated that many times - whether you have bothered to pay attention or not.

I will contend, though, that at no time did anyone say "five years" that I am aware. I don't shirk away from what I say, ever. You, and others, seem to have an incredible time, though, twisting what I actually said to fit your narrative. I never said it "would" set the program back - but you guys keep taking "concerns" and "worried" comments and turning them into absolutes. You also have an amazing ability to completely skip over or ignore when anything complimentary is said.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 15, 2019, 07:49:39 AM

No, you didn't say the late hire "would" set the program back.

What you actually said was the late hire "will" set the program back.

Actual quote from August 10, 2015...thread 43 on Landmark site...

"I'm not sure if people will see the affects of this hiring process this year but they will see it during the 2016-17 and 2017-18 seasons".

The implication in that statement is, they have a decent team coming back so they'll probably be ok but after that, DOA for at least 2 more years.

By the way, the Lady Royal's records for those two aforementioned years specified for being the years this hire will flame out were 26-4 and 28-2 with trips to the Sweet 16.

The Scranton program was always good, Trevor's hire has made them even greater without missing a beat let alone 2 or 3 years.

Coaching matters.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 15, 2019, 01:17:17 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 15, 2019, 07:49:39 AM

No, you didn't say the late hire "would" set the program back.

What you actually said was the late hire "will" set the program back.

Actual quote from August 10, 2015...thread 43 on Landmark site...

"I'm not sure if people will see the affects of this hiring process this year but they will see it during the 2016-17 and 2017-18 seasons".

The implication in that statement is, they have a decent team coming back so they'll probably be ok but after that, DOA for at least 2 more years.

By the way, the Lady Royal's records for those two aforementioned years specified for being the years this hire will flame out were 26-4 and 28-2 with trips to the Sweet 16.

The Scranton program was always good, Trevor's hire has made them even greater without missing a beat let alone 2 or 3 years.

Coaching matters.

OMG ... so me saying "they will see it" means it has to be negative? Seriously?!

YOU are implying something negative. You are making an assumption of something I said and it must be negative.

I simply said, we will see how this has impacted the program in a season or two. Clearly that impact has been positive. How in the world do you take that quote and just assume I must have been trying to say it will go sideways?

Yes, they had a good team and we knew they could ride that wave IF nothing else happened for the program in any way, shape, or form. The true test of any new coach is how are things three, four, or more years down the road when the recruiting is firmly in the hands of said coach and they have also had their system in place. That is why it is pretty common to say the true impact on a team with a new hire can't really be shown for a few more years.

Let me give you an example of right now. Calvin hired Chuck Winkelman to run the program back in the summer of 2016. He had a ton of success at Hendrix, but especially at Millsaps where he came to Calvin from. It looked like a really good hire. That first year, they seemed to be running along right where they had left off and the hire seemed to be a brilliant one. If you missed the news, he was let go yesterday. "Not a good fit" is the quote. Third season. Not working.

We get that coaching matters. That's the biggest "no duh" thing you could say. That is EXACTLY why I said we would see how this hire truly works out in three or so years. When he has gotten in the groove with Scranton recruiting (all schools are different), he has fully transitioned to the women's game, and even the timing of the hire can be truly felt.

You are trying to indicate in a quote that says "we will see how this hire has affected things" that I must have been negative ... when in reality you can't appreciate that it is a pretty common thought when it comes to these things. I never said it "will set the program back." That NEVER was indicated. I said we will see the affects of the process and the hire in three years. That can go any direction, saratoga, and only you and others who refuse to believe there is anything but blue-lined clouds or "glory be to Scranton" written about the program would only think the written word must be negative.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 15, 2019, 03:51:01 PM
Blue lined clouds; shouldn't they be purple? Even then I am not sure I get the reference.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 15, 2019, 04:22:33 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 15, 2019, 03:51:01 PM
Blue lined clouds; shouldn't they be purple? Even then I am not sure I get the reference.

Sorry - purple. This is an example of how my color blindness fails me. I can't memorize "purple" when my eyes are constantly seeing blue. Baltimore Ravens uniforms are blue to me as well.

And maybe I should have used "purple-shaded glasses" as a reference instead. For some reason, the idea of "cloud's silver lining" was in my head and thought it made for a good reference. Only see things as good and great despite what may be reality (though in the women's case, there aren't many times when there aren't good times; the bungled hiring process being probably the only exception in recent history - and I know my bungled hiring processes... seen it up close a little too much of late).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 15, 2019, 06:35:25 PM

Dave:

Your response reminds me of the scene in Vacation just after Clarke woke up the whole hotel after swimming with Christie Brinkley.

He's out in front of their room talking with Rusty & this paraphrased exchange takes place.

Russ: "Dad, do you really like that girl"?

Clarke: "Who her? No, no Russ she's ugly"

Russ: Hmmmmm

Clarke: "You believe me Russ, don't you"?

Russ; "Sure dad". Think mom will buy it"?

Clarke: "Great talk Russ, go to bed".

I think I can tell when a story or the written word comes across as positive.

Therefore, when I see one here, I'll be sure to let you know.

Till then...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 15, 2019, 07:04:09 PM
Dave to your question I wasnt listening to the show.I watched it after.But you do have alot of negativity toward Scranton you dont treat the program with the respect you give to say Thomas More,Amherst,Bowdoin etc they are always second fiddle but that is fine that is your perogative!!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 15, 2019, 10:37:39 PM
Thomas Moe and Amherst have combined to win the national title every time it has been awarded over the past four seasons. Bowdoin has been to the title game more recently than Scranton has (1985). You do yourself no favors with that comparison, Rofrog. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 15, 2019, 11:03:59 PM
Ha. This is now laughable. What Pat said is perfect, but I will also say ... do you really think Scranton's program is on par with those others even with the current rankings? Scranton is a good program, but let's stop trying to pretend that I suddenly have to worship the ground the Royals walk on.

I am fair with all programs. It is really too bad you didn't hear the interview with Trevor - but he will be on again in due time.

In the meantime, just because someone doesn't drink the purple Kool-Aid doesn't mean they are just negative. I really don't have a lot of negativity towards the program ... you guys just can't seem to hear anything but negativity from anyone who dares speak something other than a glowing report every ... single ... time ... they ... speak.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 15, 2019, 11:15:54 PM
It really showed with your interview with Coach and mess up with that oh so close game against Catholic women.Pat and by the way you know nothing about Scranton history 8 final 4s is alot of success just to bring up this year and last year is so laughable on your part shows your ignorance toward Scranton.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 15, 2019, 11:18:20 PM
To say that them teams are better then Scranton this year shows your intelligence dave just like your ignorance when Scranton men played Middlebury.Dave you remember your statement to Coach you actually laughed and said you have no chance well they did.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 15, 2019, 11:20:41 PM
I thought it was Thomas More not moe karma is great.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 15, 2019, 11:35:09 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on January 15, 2019, 11:15:54 PM
It really showed with your interview with Coach and mess up with that oh so close game against Catholic women.Pat and by the way you know nothing about Scranton history 8 final 4s is alot of success just to bring up this year and last year is so laughable on your part shows your ignorance toward Scranton.

OMG seriously?

The screw up could have happened with anyone. The software I was using had already gone sideways twice with me that show ... crashing and causing me to scramble to get it fixed.

I'm curious ... have you ever run a web stream in general? Have you produced and director and run the software ... while also making sure everything works? On top of that, have you done it while also hosting the show including calling guests, getting graphics set, running ad breaks, interacting with fans, asking questions, listening to answers, etc.?

Any guest who was slated in that slot would have had that happen to them. In other words - **** happens and no one is more frustrated by the mistake than myself.

For the record ... one of the first things I did was email those at Scranton to apologize. I hate those kinds of mistakes and it doesn't matter who it is. I have incredibly high-standards and that show didn't live up to it. But I am sure that doesn't matter to anyone here.

And telling Pat he knows nothing about Scranton's history is proof you know nothing about who Pat is in any way shape or form. Scranton got thumped by double-digits last season alone. Their final four history is quite awhile ago now. I don't sit here telling people Goucher men's basketball is awesome because in the 1990s they won some conference titles.

Quote from: Rofrog on January 15, 2019, 11:18:20 PM
To say that them teams are better then Scranton this year shows your intelligence dave just like your ignorance when Scranton men played Middlebury.Dave you remember your statement to Coach you actually laughed and said you have no chance well they did.

You are misrepresenting, once again, what I actually said. But since no one will ever learn how they love to twist my words and won't actually listen when told otherwise ... this is pointless.

And having seen many of these teams, BTW, I feel comfortable saying what I say. Having seen Amherst in person ... I am actually a little surprised they aren't third in the polls. Go ahead ... post that in the locker room. I hope it makes you all feel better.

Quote from: Rofrog on January 15, 2019, 11:20:41 PM
I thought it was Thomas More not moe karma is great.

I wouldn't go around pointing out grammar or sentence mistakes if I was you.

I will say this: go ahead and contact Trevor Woodruff and the rest of the Scranton department. Ask them if I am only negative about them. If they say I am, quote or record them and share that. In fact, have them write me and tell me that. I would be fine hearing it.

See, if they really had a problem with me ... do you think they would be on my show?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 15, 2019, 11:40:06 PM
 Spelling, so we have to be intelligent to post lol
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 15, 2019, 11:41:53 PM
Dave by 12 is thumped we had it to 7  with 4 minutes to go
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 15, 2019, 11:42:18 PM
It goes to show your ignorance .
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 15, 2019, 11:45:39 PM
 goes to show they where just in the elite eight 3 years ago 30-1
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 16, 2019, 08:37:20 PM
Congratulation Coach on reaching 100 wins with the Lady Royals.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 17, 2019, 11:54:43 AM
That is a great accomplishment that Trevor Woodruff has accomplished!100 wins in his first 107 games as head coach of the Lady Royals!Think about that 100 wins and only 7 losses in 3 and a half years.Most coaches hit 100 wins in about 7 years he did that in half that time.Keep it going Coach and Lady Royals.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 17, 2019, 04:13:14 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on January 15, 2019, 11:20:41 PM
I thought it was Thomas More not moe karma is great.

What would you know about moe karma? :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 17, 2019, 04:17:01 PM
Your spelling,See I get it your not smart on the basketball side so you have to attack on the grammar side.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 17, 2019, 04:30:49 PM

Moe Karma???

I think he owns a string of 7/11's in Scranton.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 17, 2019, 04:34:39 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on January 17, 2019, 04:17:01 PM
Your spelling,See I get it your not smart on the basketball side so you have to attack on the grammar side.

Since you pointed out the typo in the first place, this probably isn't the best tactic to use.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 17, 2019, 05:00:45 PM
Because you always point out things I say.So please you are not perfect.I love it ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 17, 2019, 05:02:25 PM
Pat while I have your attention:Maybe you can answer this since we are talking about elite programs what happened to Thomas More title stripping. ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 17, 2019, 05:32:06 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on January 17, 2019, 05:02:25 PM
Pat while I have your attention:Maybe you can answer this since we are talking about elite programs what happened to Thomas More title stripping. ;D

You don't know how Thomas More lost their title (one of the two)? Seriously?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 17, 2019, 06:24:02 PM
Wait is Coach Woodruff on tonight????Nope show will be perfect!!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 17, 2019, 06:31:30 PM
Dave it was a sarcastic question about Thomas More!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 17, 2019, 07:37:00 PM

Back to basketball after that commercial for spellcheck.

If the Mid-Atlantic Regional came out tomorrow (which I know it doesn't) this is how I see it right now:

1.Scranton

2.Messiah

3.Gettysburg

4.Johns Hopkins

5.Widener

6.Southern Virginia

7.Christopher Newport

8. Probably 5 teams vying for the last spot.

Any other schools I'm missing having solid years?

This is certainly all subject to change over the next 2 weeks.

The school that is somewhat surprising in a good way is Southern Virginia. They are doing a real nice job and passed a big test last evening.

On the other hand, the team moving in the wrong direction is Muhlenberg.

They are 0 for 2019 and have lost at least 5 & possibly 6 straight games.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 17, 2019, 07:49:55 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on January 17, 2019, 06:24:02 PM
Wait is Coach Woodruff on tonight????Nope show will be perfect!!!!

A perfect show doesn't exist...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 17, 2019, 09:23:20 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 17, 2019, 07:37:00 PM

Back to basketball after that commercial for spellcheck.

If the Mid-Atlantic Regional came out tomorrow (which I know it doesn't) this is how I see it right now:

1.Scranton

2.Messiah

3.Gettysburg

4.Johns Hopkins

5.Widener

6.Southern Virginia

7.Christopher Newport

8. Probably 5 teams vying for the last spot.

Any other schools I'm missing having solid years?

This is certainly all subject to change over the next 2 weeks.

The school that is somewhat surprising in a good way is Southern Virginia. They are doing a real nice job and passed a big test last evening.

On the other hand, the team moving in the wrong direction is Muhlenberg.

They are 0 for 2019 and have lost at least 5 & possibly 6 straight games.

Can't think of anyone else; I'm remembering that the Mid-Atlantic ranks only 6 teams.

Watched some of the Southern Va-CNU game last night while waiting for the Scranton games to start; 3 former prospects play for CNU(including NBA ref Scott Foster's daughter) and 1 for SVA(post Katie Garrish); never thought SVA could come back from 8 down in the 2nd quarter because of CNU's defense but CNU shot poorly enough to allow them back into the game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 17, 2019, 10:34:04 PM
Ronk was it CNU shot badly or Southern Virginia made them shoot badly.I honestly didnt see the game.Because great defense does that to a team or was it they where missing opened shots?thanks
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 17, 2019, 11:29:04 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on January 17, 2019, 10:34:04 PM
Ronk was it CNU shot badly or Southern Virginia made them shoot badly.I honestly didnt see the game.Because great defense does that to a team or was it they where missing opened shots?thanks

I would choose open vs contested of the 2 possibilities; Jess Foster usually only shoots open 3-pt shots and she missed her final 9 attempts after making 1 that I saw.
  CNU actually had a 14-pt lead 4 mins into the 2nd quarter.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 18, 2019, 06:37:46 AM
Quote from: ronk on January 17, 2019, 11:29:04 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on January 17, 2019, 10:34:04 PM
Ronk was it CNU shot badly or Southern Virginia made them shoot badly.I honestly didnt see the game.Because great defense does that to a team or was it they where missing opened shots?thanks

I would choose open vs contested of the 2 possibilities; Jess Foster usually only shoots open 3-pt shots and she missed her final 9 attempts after making 1 that I saw.
  CNU actually had a 14-pt lead 4 mins into the 2nd quarter.

I watched most of the second half.  I was pretty impressed with SVU's poise.  They seemed to always be pretty well positioned on defense and didn't get bothered much by the press when they had the ball.  CNU missed a lot of transition buckets they'd normally get, but I didn't see as many open shots for them as I'd expect.  SVU's a real team, for sure.  It might've been an upset, but it wasn't a fluke.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 20, 2019, 10:20:32 AM

Great win yesterday by the Lady Royals on the road.

Unselfish basketball at its finest.

First time I've ever heard the opposing broadcaster scream "T him up" in reference to Coach but on the other hand, besides those emotional meltdowns, the Juniata broadcast team was very complimentary toward the Lady Royal's game plan, defense & offensive execution.

On to Drew.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 20, 2019, 01:13:09 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 20, 2019, 10:20:32 AM

Great win yesterday by the Lady Royals on the road.

Unselfish basketball at its finest.

First time I've ever heard the opposing broadcaster scream "T him up" in reference to Coach but on the other hand, besides those emotional meltdowns, the Juniata broadcast team was very complimentary toward the Lady Royal's game plan, defense & offensive execution.

On to Drew.

What in the world was the "T him up" in reference to?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 20, 2019, 01:44:39 PM

Trevor wasn't particularly pleased with a call & had a few words with one ref (as coaches are known to do from time to time), certainly not going ballistic, & the guy doing the play by play just started ranting on air for any of the refs to "T him up".

About 5 minutes later, the same plea...all to no avail.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 20, 2019, 01:48:53 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 20, 2019, 01:44:39 PM

Trevor wasn't particularly pleased with a call & had a few words with one ref (as coaches are known to do from time to time), certainly not going ballistic, & the guy doing the play by play just started ranting on air for any of the refs to "T him up".

About 5 minutes later, the same plea...all to no avail.

Well that's disappointing. That isn't in a broadcaster's purview. That usually is a bad sign for me. I have talked about a coach needing to maybe be T'ed up, but that's when things have clearly gone too far and it is a comment to understand the situation. I have never done it just because a coach is arguing as they always do anyway. That said, you indicated they did well the rest of the game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 20, 2019, 01:57:52 PM
Yes it happened at about 1.14 on video.It was about a walk on Warhiftig.His anger came out he had enough of this beat down.Then the next play if you watch Juniata player walks(Gracie)it was funny.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 23, 2019, 01:54:27 AM
So going thru massey and I really found something odd .He has Oshkosh first Amherst 2nd St thomas 3rd Scranton 4th .So I decide to do the mathematics Scranton is actually giving up 47.29 pts per game defensive wise,Oshkosh gives up 46.52,Amherst 49.3,St thomas 50.29how is Scranton women 4th in defense I think they should be second or am I wrong?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 23, 2019, 06:24:51 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on January 23, 2019, 01:54:27 AM
So going thru massey and I really found something odd .He has Oshkosh first Amherst 2nd St thomas 3rd Scranton 4th .So I decide to do the mathematics Scranton is actually giving up 47.29 pts per game defensive wise,Oshkosh gives up 46.52,Amherst 49.3,St thomas 50.29how is Scranton women 4th in defense I think they should be second or am I wrong?

His defensive ratings aren't straight points allowed.  There's a lot of factors, like the opponent's overall ranking and other things that go into it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 23, 2019, 10:15:01 AM
Thanks Ryan for explaining it that way.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 24, 2019, 12:13:25 AM
Another nice win for Scranton women up by 20 without All American-Bridgett Mann and also Sofia Recupero tonight and winning by 12!Scranton should be healthy soon (Fr Daniele McCurdy,So.Ava Gammo filling in nicely mind you Hannah,Chloe have been under the weather great to getting  them back.Keep it up Ladies
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 24, 2019, 01:03:14 PM
Funny note: at one point last night, it looked like Scranton was playing two games at the same time! Susquehanna had a glitch, so their live stats showed they were playing Scranton in logo and name. It definitely caused me to do a double-take. :)

And yes, Scranton was good enough to win both games with apparently a split-squad. LOL
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 26, 2019, 11:46:40 AM

Here's hoping the Lady Royals continue their quest today vs. E-town.

A win by Scranton would then give the BlueJays 4 losses.

Then I guess we hope Drew knocks off Juniata today in Madison to give the Eagles 3 losses and then Catholic takes care of business in Bethlehem to give Moravian 4 losses.

The standings would then have...

*Juniata-3 losses

*Drew-4 losses

*Catholic-4 losses

*Moravian-4 losses

*E-town-4 losses

Goucher & Susquehanna pick-em.

Essentially a 5 team race for 3 spots.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 26, 2019, 03:54:13 PM

Taking nothing away from E-town as they out-hustled Scranton on the boards all day but there are only so many games you can keep piecing together while your All-American is injured and not contributing.

Great run by the ladies but if they thought everyone brought their A game to play them before...just wait.

Catholic has been playing really inspired ball down at Moravian today & they will be ready & waiting for Scranton next Sat.

Just glancing at the stats it becomes pretty obvious the usually rock steady defense was a step too slow, rarely seemed to pressure the ball, killed on the boards by a very aggressive & prepared team & one of the Royal starters only took 5 shots???

Not sure if she was sick but certainly needs to be involved more than she was.

Very lethargic game with no sense of urgency or rhythm, nothing crisp.

You'll have these games from time to time.

Write it off, learn from it & start again.

Otherwise, it may end up just like 2 years ago where we lost 3 out of 4 games to, you guessed it...E-town, Moravian & Catholic.



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 28, 2019, 01:00:09 AM
Quote from: saratoga on January 17, 2019, 07:37:00 PM

Back to basketball after that commercial for spellcheck.

If the Mid-Atlantic Regional came out tomorrow (which I know it doesn't) this is how I see it right now:

1.Scranton

2.Messiah

3.Gettysburg

4.Johns Hopkins

5.Widener

6.Southern Virginia

7.Christopher Newport

8. Probably 5 teams vying for the last spot.

Any other schools I'm missing having solid years?

This is certainly all subject to change over the next 2 weeks.

The school that is somewhat surprising in a good way is Southern Virginia. They are doing a real nice job and passed a big test last evening.

On the other hand, the team moving in the wrong direction is Muhlenberg.

They are 0 for 2019 and have lost at least 5 & possibly 6 straight games.

What is interesting this year about the Mid-Atlantic rankings is that Trevor is the Landmark rep on the regional advisory committee(RAC); other members are Nate Davis(Gettysburg-originally rumored to be the leading contender for the Scranton position), Janice Luck-Albright, and Bill Broderick-CNU with the chair being the Landmark director, Daniel Fisher.
  It'll be a question for Dave McHugh about the ranking procedures within the RAC, especially when there are only 5 members. Each of those 3 male coaches could conceivably want their own team to be #1 in the region at this time. is the ranking going to be decided by the other 2 members?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 28, 2019, 12:47:32 PM
Members are not allowed to discuss their teams or be on the call when they discuss their team. So, when those teams are being discussed, they basically are not on the call or muted. That does kind of come down to the others to discuss (remember the chair, who doesn't vote, will discuss things and help advise and guide the RAC).

Then everyone votes. The voting takes place on computer (has for several years now) and no longer on the phone call, so someone can actually change their minds. There are no reasons to keep members from voting.

But here is where things are key: This is only an "advisory" committee - Regional Advisory Committee. The National Committee is ultimately responsible for rankings and they can completely ignore the RAC if they want. They can rank teams how they want and just thank the RAC for their work and move on. The chair of the region does "vote" on the national committee (unless it is their team, then, again, they are removed from consideration and conversation) and they will present, usually, how their RAC came to their rankings.* The national committee will consider that, but a lot of the time will make adjustments and then the chair is responsible to communicate why those changes too place back to the RAC so they can adjust.

* - a lot of chairs ask for RAC members to explain their choices after they are done voting, so they can have that information for the national call.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 28, 2019, 04:08:23 PM
 Thanks, Dave, your remarks are very helpful. With only 4 voters in the Mid/A and 3 being the top 3 teams in the region this coming week, I can foresee the discussion being "who are teams ranked 4 through whatever"? It would be tough to compare/contrast  anyone else against the top 3 without muting everyone except Janice Luck.    ::)  Just an unusual situation this season in the M/A.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 28, 2019, 04:11:51 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 28, 2019, 04:08:23 PM
Thanks, Dave, your remarks are very helpful. With only 4 voters in the Mid/A and 3 being the top 3 teams in the region this coming week, I can foresee the discussion being "who are teams ranked 4 through whatever"? It would be tough to compare/contrast  anyone else against the top 3 without muting everyone except Janice Luck.    ::)  Just an unusual situation this season in the M/A.

It is an unusual situation this year to be sure. Basically four heavyweights (though, Albright has fallen back a bit) on the regional committee. I will see if I can get some insight on it because it is a bit more on the rare side to be sure.

That said, again, if one's team isn't being discussed, they can participate. Of course, it also isn't just a Team A v Team B conversation all that often ... so the likelihood of having to mute three voices could happen!

They start their mock calls this week. I can get more insight after that point.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 28, 2019, 10:38:00 PM
Scranton loses a game without All American and 3 of the starters sick and move from 3rd to 7th.But almighty Amherst gets beat by Eastern Connecticut and loses by 8 even though being up 18 with all starters and moved down one, are you kidding me Joke poll.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 28, 2019, 11:31:37 PM
Amherst lost to the number one team in the country ... most voters aren't going to penalize a team for losing to a team ranked above them, because the poll (and their own ballots) indicated that should happen.

If we have a #10 playing a #5, but the reasoning of the voters and thus the poll... #5 should win, right? So #4 played at #1 and lead for a good chunk of the game, but then lost. By the reasoning of the voters and the poll... that was an expected outcome.

Scranton, in the meantime, is missing players including their All-American and lost to a team that was on a three-game losing streak and wasn't receiving and still isn't receiving any votes in the Top 25. So an unranked team which is struggling is playing AT #3's court ... and #3 loses.

Those two examples are not even close to comparable.

BTW, Amherst lost 34 points which ended up moving them down a slot. Scranton lost 86 points. Considering the circumstances, I think that works.

Per the other loss to Eastern Connecticut, I suspect the voters feel that was long enough ago to not matter ... of feel that even with that loss, Amherst is still a Top 5 team.

Scranton worked it's way up to 3 and is still in the Top 10 at 7. That is very significant. That isn't anything to sneeze at. And I think the voting was fair. Some teams have fallen a lot further and lost a lot more points if they had Scranton's challenges right now (as you said, no All-American and three starters out with illness). I dare say, they didn't know about the illness aspect - they may have fallen further.

I don't vote on the women's poll. That all is just my read on the poll from how I know the mechanics plus understanding the circumstances. I don't think it's worth complaining about. Scranton is still getting plenty of love and respect.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 28, 2019, 11:44:51 PM
No but your influence worked when you said Amherst should be ahead of Scranton,Seriously what considerations do they look at when they vote.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 28, 2019, 11:49:20 PM
Just remember that with the guys Dave because loras beat the number one team and they moved back one in the mens,See double standards
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 29, 2019, 12:00:51 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 28, 2019, 11:31:37 PM
Amherst lost to the number one team in the country ... most voters aren't going to penalize a team for losing to a team ranked above them, because the poll (and their own ballots) indicated that should happen.

If we have a #10 playing a #5, but the reasoning of the voters and thus the poll... #5 should win, right? So #4 played at #1 and lead for a good chunk of the game, but then lost. By the reasoning of the voters and the poll... that was an expected outcome.

Scranton, in the meantime, is missing players including their All-American and lost to a team that was on a three-game losing streak and wasn't receiving and still isn't receiving any votes in the Top 25. So an unranked team which is struggling is playing AT #3's court ... and #3 loses.

Those two examples are not even close to comparable.

BTW, Amherst lost 34 points which ended up moving them down a slot. Scranton lost 86 points. Considering the circumstances, I think that works.

Per the other loss to Eastern Connecticut, I suspect the voters feel that was long enough ago to not matter ... of feel that even with that loss, Amherst is still a Top 5 team.

Scranton worked it's way up to 3 and is still in the Top 10 at 7. That is very significant. That isn't anything to sneeze at. And I think the voting was fair. Some teams have fallen a lot further and lost a lot more points if they had Scranton's challenges right now (as you said, no All-American and three starters out with illness). I dare say, they didn't know about the illness aspect - they may have fallen further.

I don't vote on the women's poll. That all is just my read on the poll from how I know the mechanics plus understanding the circumstances. I don't think it's worth complaining about. Scranton is still getting plenty of love and respect.

No 3-game losing streak for E-town; they lost their previous game but had won 7 of 8 before then, all except Scranton 3 weeks previous.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 29, 2019, 12:07:54 AM
Bridgette Mann played that game and no one was sick either
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 29, 2019, 12:12:41 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on January 28, 2019, 11:49:20 PM
Just remember that with the guys Dave because loras beat the number one team and they moved back one in the mens,See double standards

I am not following your point. Are you talking about Loras or NWU? Loras moved up, despite losing to Wartburg earlier in the week (and staying rather static on my ballot).

Yes, NWU fell back a spot, but they also didn't lose all of their first place votes. The result against Loras created a split with the voters. Also, Loras beat Augustana this season. By your "double standard" reasoning ... they shouldn't be number one, either.

And again ... I don't get your point about double-standards. You are looking at two VASTLY different polls, with different voting panels, voting on two different genders, with two insanely different situations.

In women's basketball, they have an upper tier (that Scranton is a part of, BTW), that is the best of the best. You see this group in every second weekend of the NCAA tournament and in the final four. It is very, very rare to see anyone else battling for a championship. This group is small - maybe eight teams (off the top of my head). There is then a second group, of unknown size right this moment, that is no where close to the same level as the top tier. They may snipe at them and get an occasional good, or great, result, but it isn't the same level. And then there is basically everyone else.

In men's basketball, parity is insane. There are probably 15-20 teams who could get to Fort Wayne this year and wouldn't surprise me. There are some very good teams, but where the line between the top tier and the second tier ... is very blurred. There are a number of teams that can win championships and that's why the final fours have been incredibly diverse and we have had a mixture of participants, results, and champions.

You can't compare the two when trying to make an argument about one particular poll. You also can't make a comparison with just two teams in a vacuum. Did you look at the week and seasons of all the rest of the Top 10? How about the Top 15 or Top 25? There is a lot going on and a lot of results to work through. It creates a lot of moving parts.

No voter I know looks at one team and another and slots them. They, like myself, are looking at a lot of teams and trying our best to put them in the positions we feel are an accurate representation of who are the best 25 teams in the country. There is a reason there are 25 voters - so there can be 25 opinions from all over the country.

But when you try and compare what is going on in the women's poll and what is going on in the men's poll ... you aren't making any sense.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 29, 2019, 12:13:30 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on January 29, 2019, 12:07:54 AM
Bridgette Mann played that game and no one was sick either

Then I simply can't follow what you are saying ... I was basing my point on this:

Quote from: Rofrog on January 28, 2019, 10:38:00 PM
Scranton loses a game without All American and 3 of the starters sick and move from 3rd to 7th.But almighty Amherst gets beat by Eastern Connecticut and loses by 8 even though being up 18 with all starters and moved down one, are you kidding me Joke poll.

You see how this gets confusing?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 29, 2019, 12:20:37 AM
Quote from: ronk on January 29, 2019, 12:00:51 AM
No 3-game losing streak for E-town; they lost their previous game but had won 7 of 8 before then, all except Scranton 3 weeks previous.

I apologize - I am trying to get a lot done tonight and I was rushing. I should have taken more time to check my facts.

Clearly I need to focus on other things (like a massive show on Thursday), because my split thinking at this time of night ain't working.

Sorry, ronk. My point remains that the loss to E'town isn't comparable to the loss to Bowdoin - the number one team in the country.

As an aside, I actually don't like when voters demote a team for losing to a team they clearly predicted they would lose to. There are extenuating circumstances of course, but that didn't seem to fit the bill this week.

BTW ...
Quote from: Rofrog on January 28, 2019, 11:44:51 PM
No but your influence worked when you said Amherst should be ahead of Scranton,Seriously what considerations do they look at when they vote.

The voters aren't listening to me. I do not influence the voters in anyway. What I said on the show (and thanks for watching/listening) was what I suspected might happen. In reality, it didn't work out that way - though, I can't really talk about some things I know because it isn't fair to the voters.

Also ... when I said Amherst should be ahead of Scranton, that was based on a previous week's situation ... and not based on this week's situation. I felt Scranton was a better fit at four or five ... but again, voters are NOT changing their votes because of my random thoughts.

And they consider a LOT of things. I can only tell you some, but not all, of the things I consider:
- Location of game
- Conference/non-conference opponent
- What each team brings to the table in terms of talent
- Health of team and players
- Strength of each team in terms of who they are and talent they display
- My thoughts having seen them in person or on video
- What they look like statistically; what they are good at, struggle with, etc.
- How the game played out: did someone come from behind; was their an injury; did a team dominate; was it back and forth?

I could go on and on. If you are interested in just my opinion on the men's poll, I usually blog my ballot - which is one of the many things I was supposed to be working on tonight that has split my attention.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 29, 2019, 12:35:50 AM
I administer and vote in the women's poll. I agree with you that Amherst should've fallen farther than one slot.

I dropped Amherst and Scranton on my ballot this week with Amherst falling from 4 to 10 and Scranton falling from 3 to 12. Feel free to disagree with my reasoning but here's why I slotted them that way.

- As Dave noted, Amherst's loss is certainly "less bad" than Scranton's. Amherst lost to the No. 2 team on my ballot, on the road, playing its second game in less than 24 hours. And Amherst did lead the game until late in the third quarter. Scranton lost to a team that's not on the national radar at home.

- At this point neither of these teams has what I consider to be a big headline win. Scranton's best win is DeSales, which is looking better and better every week (even better after tonight), though it was also back in November. Amherst's best win is maybe Trinity (Conn.) who also played DeSales tough So if we play the comparative score game -- Scranton is comparable to DeSales which is comparable to Trinity (Conn.) which got dusted by Amherst -- that doesn't favor Scranton.

(Incidentally this works the other way if you look at the Scranton/Mass-Boston/Eastern Connecticut/Amherst grouping).

- I dinged Scranton because Mann is out of the line up. With Bridget Mann I think that's a Top 10 team, but others on here have noted her absence. You guys probably know more about it than I do. From a distance I'm concerned about how they fill the absence of an All-American player at this point in the season. Tell me if you think that's overblown in my mind and I'll listen.

- Recent results do matter more to me. So Amherst's loss to Eastern Connecticut doesn't weigh heavily on my mind. And Scranton's win over DeSales (also back in November) doesn't have as much luster. There's nothing Scranton can do about that. It's not their fault that the Top 3 in the NESCAC are way better than the next two teams in the Landmark. But it does make the losses hurt that much more.

Finally -- and I'm not sure how much this one matters to me because I've seen the teams enough in person to appreciate them-- voters have watched Scranton lose by double digits to the NESCAC runner up at home by double digits in the NCAA Tournament the last two years and by nine points the year before that. I understand that these are not the same teams but at some point voters (particularly those in other parts of the country) say to themselves, "Scranton hasn't been better than the NESCAC runner up in recent years. How do I know that this year is different?"

Incidentally I think we're going to get to find out the answer to that last question. Unless Scranton falls apart down the stretch, I expect the Royals to definitely host the first weekend and likely host the second as well. In addition to having a really strong resume, Scranton is within the 500-mile driving radius of a lot of schools so they are good candidates to host. And my guess is whomever loses the Amherst/Tufts game this weekend is Scranton-bound come mid-March. I wouldn't be stunned if both teams come this way depending on the NESCAC tournament results.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 29, 2019, 01:14:30 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 29, 2019, 12:20:37 AM
Quote from: ronk on January 29, 2019, 12:00:51 AM
No 3-game losing streak for E-town; they lost their previous game but had won 7 of 8 before then, all except Scranton 3 weeks previous.

I apologize - I am trying to get a lot done tonight and I was rushing. I should have taken more time to check my facts.

Clearly I need to focus on other things (like a massive show on Thursday), because my split thinking at this time of night ain't working.

Sorry, ronk. My point remains that the loss to E'town isn't comparable to the loss to Bowdoin - the number one team in the country.

As an aside, I actually don't like when voters demote a team for losing to a team they clearly predicted they would lose to. There are extenuating circumstances of course, but that didn't seem to fit the bill this week.

BTW ...
Quote from: Rofrog on January 28, 2019, 11:44:51 PM
No but your influence worked when you said Amherst should be ahead of Scranton,Seriously what considerations do they look at when they vote.

The voters aren't listening to me. I do not influence the voters in anyway. What I said on the show (and thanks for watching/listening) was what I suspected might happen. In reality, it didn't work out that way - though, I can't really talk about some things I know because it isn't fair to the voters.

Also ... when I said Amherst should be ahead of Scranton, that was based on a previous week's situation ... and not based on this week's situation. I felt Scranton was a better fit at four or five ... but again, voters are NOT changing their votes because of my random thoughts.

And they consider a LOT of things. I can only tell you some, but not all, of the things I consider:
- Location of game
- Conference/non-conference opponent
- What each team brings to the table in terms of talent
- Health of team and players
- Strength of each team in terms of who they are and talent they display
- My thoughts having seen them in person or on video
- What they look like statistically; what they are good at, struggle with, etc.
- How the game played out: did someone come from behind; was their an injury; did a team dominate; was it back and forth?

I could go on and on. If you are interested in just my opinion on the men's poll, I usually blog my ballot - which is one of the many things I was supposed to be working on tonight that has split my attention.

Yes, you've overextended yourself; time to add your kids to your research staff.  ;) Save yourself for your marathon show Thursday and the Whits replay later today.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 29, 2019, 01:23:31 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on January 29, 2019, 12:35:50 AM
I administer and vote in the women's poll. I agree with you that Amherst should've fallen farther than one slot.

I dropped Amherst and Scranton on my ballot this week with Amherst falling from 4 to 10 and Scranton falling from 3 to 12. Feel free to disagree with my reasoning but here's why I slotted them that way.

- As Dave noted, Amherst's loss is certainly "less bad" than Scranton's. Amherst lost to the No. 2 team on my ballot, on the road, playing its second game in less than 24 hours. And Amherst did lead the game until late in the third quarter. Scranton lost to a team that's not on the national radar at home.

- At this point neither of these teams has what I consider to be a big headline win. Scranton's best win is DeSales, which is looking better and better every week (even better after tonight), though it was also back in November. Amherst's best win is maybe Trinity (Conn.) who also played DeSales tough So if we play the comparative score game -- Scranton is comparable to DeSales which is comparable to Trinity (Conn.) which got dusted by Amherst -- that doesn't favor Scranton.

(Incidentally this works the other way if you look at the Scranton/Mass-Boston/Eastern Connecticut/Amherst grouping).

- I dinged Scranton because Mann is out of the line up. With Bridget Mann I think that's a Top 10 team, but others on here have noted her absence. You guys probably know more about it than I do. From a distance I'm concerned about how they fill the absence of an All-American player at this point in the season. Tell me if you think that's overblown in my mind and I'll listen.

- Recent results do matter more to me. So Amherst's loss to Eastern Connecticut doesn't weigh heavily on my mind. And Scranton's win over DeSales (also back in November) doesn't have as much luster. There's nothing Scranton can do about that. It's not their fault that the Top 3 in the NESCAC are way better than the next two teams in the Landmark. But it does make the losses hurt that much more.

Finally -- and I'm not sure how much this one matters to me because I've seen the teams enough in person to appreciate them-- voters have watched Scranton lose by double digits to the NESCAC runner up at home by double digits in the NCAA Tournament the last two years and by nine points the year before that. I understand that these are not the same teams but at some point voters (particularly those in other parts of the country) say to themselves, "Scranton hasn't been better than the NESCAC runner up in recent years. How do I know that this year is different?"

Incidentally I think we're going to get to find out the answer to that last question. Unless Scranton falls apart down the stretch, I expect the Royals to definitely host the first weekend and likely host the second as well. In addition to having a really strong resume, Scranton is within the 500-mile driving radius of a lot of schools so they are good candidates to host. And my guess is whomever loses the Amherst/Tufts game this weekend is Scranton-bound come mid-March. I wouldn't be stunned if both teams come this way depending on the NESCAC tournament results.

Can't disagree with your reasoning; just surprised that you put 9 teams ahead of Amherst and 11 before Scranton.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 29, 2019, 11:17:46 AM
Gordon let's use that theory.So Dartmouth only losses to bowdoin by 7 then they loss to umass Boston that Scranton dusted by 31 does that count.See you cant use that in justifying voting you take the whole picture into account if Mann played and 3 starters are not sick they win that game or do you do that just for certain teams .
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 29, 2019, 11:23:06 AM
 Ithaca was a good win also.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 29, 2019, 11:24:37 AM
Dave Amherst has 2 losses not 1 Scranton has one loss.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 29, 2019, 11:39:00 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on January 29, 2019, 11:24:37 AM
Dave Amherst has 2 losses not 1 Scranton has one loss.

I'm fully aware ...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 29, 2019, 07:05:03 PM

Although I certainly love my Royals, I'm not naive and blind at the same time when discussing them.

When they're good, I'll reinforce that & when there's work to do, I'll state that as well.

Regarding the Lady Royals...some things to keep in perspective.

*They only played 3 3/4 games with Bridget to start the season.

She received injury number one in the 4th. quarter of the Desales game.

*Her teammates then regrouped without her for 6 games and won all of them.

*Bridget returns in game 11 & in first game back she scores 28 pts.

*Game 13 vs, E-town (at E-town) Scranton wins & she scores 26 pts.

*Three games back, 64 points, the MVP of the WPI tournament and carries the ladies past E-town.

*Next game vs. Moravian, turns her ankle & is now out 5 additional games & counting.

*In that next period, Scranton wins them all but the last one vs. E-town last Sat.

Now we all know that just like the stock market, previous results do not necessarily reflect future earnings or, in this case, points... but I think it's safe to say that if she were healthy, Saturday's outcome may have been different.

So the reality of this years edition of the Lady Royal's is that an All-American player has suited up for just 7 of their games and in that period of substantial time, they have lost but 1 single solitary game thus far.

Personally, I think that's pretty incredible.

The question will now be once she returns, how long will it take for her legs to come back, the shooting touch & feel for what's taking place on the court?

Very few teams could ever lose an All-American of this calibre for this length of time and be where this team is right now.

Do they have weaknesses...yep.

Do they need to take better care of the ball...yes, but getting better.

Do they need to help on the offensive glass...most certainly.

Was this loss just an anomaly...nope, this team has to work hard all game. If they don't, there will be others.

Will they be ready for the stretch run...I think the addition of Bridget will help answer that convincingly.

The other kids have to remember that they did remarkable work to keep everything moving in the right direction while she was out & if they continue to play tough D, they'll be in every game, regardless of where they're ranked in a very subjective poll.





Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 29, 2019, 07:09:34 PM
Well said!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 29, 2019, 09:12:29 PM
QuoteGordon let's use that theory.So Dartmouth only losses to bowdoin by 7 then they loss to umass Boston that Scranton dusted by 31 does that count.See you cant use that in justifying voting you take the whole picture into account if Mann played and 3 starters are not sick they win that game or do you do that just for certain teams .

I try to apply the same standards to all teams, but don't know if I always succeed. Fortunately my opinion only accounts for 1/25th of the poll results.

I did take Bridgette's injury into account as I noted below. I dropped the Royals in part because of her status. I wasn't aware of the players being sick this weekend. That's a level of personal detail that's not appropriate for us to request (nor would teams provide it if we did).

Your point about the Mass-Dartmouth/Mass-Boston/Scranton/Bowdoin comparative results is a very good one. That comparative score set you noted certainly does make Scranton look good.

So here's a criteria I use in putting together my ballot, and again remember I'm only one voter. I keep a list of what I consider to be good wins and bad losses. The theory here is that the best win sets a team's ceiling -- what it's capable of doing in March -- and the worst loss sets the floor. Results vary within that range throughout the year. 

Here's how my ballot looks.

1) Thomas More -- Best win: No. 6 Mary Hardin-Baylor/No. 11 Hope...worst loss: none
2) Bowdoin -- W - No. 4 Tufts/No. 5 Amherst...L - None
3) Mary Hardin-Baylor: W - No. 15 East Texas Baptist...L - No. 2 Thomas More
4) St. Thomas: W - No. 14 George Fox...L - No. 16 Wartburg
5) Trine: W - No. 11 Hope (twice)...L - No. 22 Transylvania
6) Illinois Wesleyan: W - No. 16 Wartburg...L - UW-Whitewater (12-7 overall)
7) Wartburg: W - No. 4 St. Thomas...L - Luther (9-8)
8) Hope: W - No. 12 UW-Oshkosh...L - No. 8 Trine (twice)
9) UW-Oshkosh: W - Wheaton (ranked on my ballot)...L - UW-Whitewater (12-7 overall)
10) Amherst: W - Trinity (16-4)...L - East Conn (12-7)
11) Tufts: W - Middlebury (17-3)...L - No. 1 Bowdoin
12) Scranton: W - No. 18 DeSales...L - Elizabethtown (12-6)
13) Whitman: W - No. 14 George Fox...L - Puget Sound (14-4)
14) George Fox: W - Puget Sound or Claremont...L - Bethel (14-5) or Puget Sound
15) Messiah: W - No. 23 Gettysburg (not on my ballot)...L - York (9-10)
16) Texas-Dallas: W - No. 15 East Texas Baptist...L - Hardin-Simmons (16-3)
17) DeSales: W - Trinity (16-4)...L - Sage (10-8) [Misericordia is now the best win but it wasn't when I cast my ballot]
18) St. Joseph's (Maine): W - Husson/Pomona-Pitzer...L - None
19) Chicago: W - No. 13 Illinois Wesleyan...L - NYU (10-7)
20) East Texas Baptist: W - Hardin-Simmons (13-6)...L - No. 15 Texas-Dallas
21) Wheaton: W - No. 13 Illinois Wesleyan...L - Augustana (11-9)
22) DePauw: W - No. 8 Trine...L - Wittenberg (12-8)
23) Transylvania: W - No. 8 Trine...L - Rose-Hulman (13-6)
24) Loras: W - Washington U. (13-5)...L - Wheaton
25) Washington U. W - No. 19 Chicago...L - Westminster (Mo.) 15-4

This isn't the only criteria I use, but I try to have some level of internal consistency here within my own ballot. So a win over Wheaton means more to me than it does to the average voter. I'm very high on UMHB so Thomas More's win over them on the road is a better win than Bowdoin beating Tufts and Amherst.

Teams that lack a really good win fall much lower on my ballot than in the poll. St. Joe's is 18th and has fallen in recent weeks versus No. 10 in the poll. No. 17 SUNY Geneseo isn't on my ballot at all because they have a loss to New Paltz (13-4) and no signature win I can point to.

For some teams the best result is a close loss. So Texas-Dallas gets a push up my ballot because they had a very close loss to Thomas More. Amherst's best result is a relatively close loss to Bowdoin (it was within two possessions with a minute to play). Oshkosh's best result is a close loss to Hope. George Fox's is a close loss to St. Thomas, though these geographically isolated teams are the hardest to slot. I think the NWC and ASC teams are very good, but most of their results only refer back to each other.

From a best win perspective, you could certainly argue that Scranton belongs above Amherst and Tufts. Those three teams are really close in my mind and the Amherst/Tufts loser drops below Scranton after Saturday. I'm hedging my bets a little by keeping the two NESCAC teams close to each other for one week. In retrospect Oshkosh looks out of place.

From a "worst loss perspective," the team with the lowest floor is Wartburg, but they also have a really high ceiling because they crushed St. Thomas. The only team ahead of Scranton on my ballot with a worst loss is maybe Amherst or UW-Oshkosh. I would take East Conn and UW-Whitewater over E-town, but maybe I'm selling E-town short.

The gap between Scranton and Amherst, Tufts and Oshkosh isn't big. Your argument that I have the order wrong is reasonable.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 29, 2019, 09:32:40 PM
I just cant see IWU up that high with 3 losses and a couple more.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 29, 2019, 09:40:16 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on January 29, 2019, 09:32:40 PM
I just cant see IWU up that high with 3 losses and a couple more.

I mean this in all seriousness: How aware are you of the make-up of teams and conferences around the country? I'm not asking about recognizing school names, seeing records, and such, but understanding the detail stuff similar to what Gordon (and others like myself) have shared with you? You can't just brush a team away by saying "with three losses." All schedules are not created equal.

I think where IWU is slotted is about right for them right now.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 29, 2019, 09:42:23 PM
Dave I watch alot,I'm not busting Gordon I'm giving my opinion.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 29, 2019, 09:43:44 PM
I was talking how high Gordon has them 6th.Not where they are in the polls.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 29, 2019, 09:56:37 PM
Understood. I am just asking. Watching is good, but dive in like many of us do. I warn you ... you will lose a lot of your life doing it LOL, but dive in and see how this all works around the country. It will give a different perspective.

One of the most rewarding things I did when I was much longer was when I removed the "blue colored glasses" and started to see and appreciate things besides from my alma mater's perspective. It changed a lot of things and made me realize just where our program, the conference, and the region really sat. That isn't a knock on my favorite team(s), but more of an appreciation of just how good things really are in DIII.

Now, it's turned into a (non-paying) career, but I have also had a completely different point of view of DIII as a result.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 30, 2019, 12:13:55 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on January 29, 2019, 09:12:29 PM
QuoteGordon let's use that theory.So Dartmouth only losses to bowdoin by 7 then they loss to umass Boston that Scranton dusted by 31 does that count.See you cant use that in justifying voting you take the whole picture into account if Mann played and 3 starters are not sick they win that game or do you do that just for certain teams .

I try to apply the same standards to all teams, but don't know if I always succeed. Fortunately my opinion only accounts for 1/25th of the poll results.

I did take Bridgette's injury into account as I noted below. I dropped the Royals in part because of her status. I wasn't aware of the players being sick this weekend. That's a level of personal detail that's not appropriate for us to request (nor would teams provide it if we did).

Your point about the Mass-Dartmouth/Mass-Boston/Scranton/Bowdoin comparative results is a very good one. That comparative score set you noted certainly does make Scranton look good.

So here's a criteria I use in putting together my ballot, and again remember I'm only one voter. I keep a list of what I consider to be good wins and bad losses. The theory here is that the best win sets a team's ceiling -- what it's capable of doing in March -- and the worst loss sets the floor. Results vary within that range throughout the year. 

Here's how my ballot looks.

1) Thomas More -- Best win: No. 6 Mary Hardin-Baylor/No. 11 Hope...worst loss: none
2) Bowdoin -- W - No. 4 Tufts/No. 5 Amherst...L - None
3) Mary Hardin-Baylor: W - No. 15 East Texas Baptist...L - No. 2 Thomas More
4) St. Thomas: W - No. 14 George Fox...L - No. 16 Wartburg
5) Trine: W - No. 11 Hope (twice)...L - No. 22 Transylvania
6) Illinois Wesleyan: W - No. 16 Wartburg...L - UW-Whitewater (12-7 overall)
7) Wartburg: W - No. 4 St. Thomas...L - Luther (9-8)
8) Hope: W - No. 12 UW-Oshkosh...L - No. 8 Trine (twice)
9) UW-Oshkosh: W - Wheaton (ranked on my ballot)...L - UW-Whitewater (12-7 overall)
10) Amherst: W - Trinity (16-4)...L - East Conn (12-7)
11) Tufts: W - Middlebury (17-3)...L - No. 1 Bowdoin
12) Scranton: W - No. 18 DeSales...L - Elizabethtown (12-6)
13) Whitman: W - No. 14 George Fox...L - Puget Sound (14-4)
14) George Fox: W - Puget Sound or Claremont...L - Bethel (14-5) or Puget Sound
15) Messiah: W - No. 23 Gettysburg (not on my ballot)...L - York (9-10)
16) Texas-Dallas: W - No. 15 East Texas Baptist...L - Hardin-Simmons (16-3)
17) DeSales: W - Trinity (16-4)...L - Sage (10-8) [Misericordia is now the best win but it wasn't when I cast my ballot]
18) St. Joseph's (Maine): W - Husson/Pomona-Pitzer...L - None
19) Chicago: W - No. 13 Illinois Wesleyan...L - NYU (10-7)
20) East Texas Baptist: W - Hardin-Simmons (13-6)...L - No. 15 Texas-Dallas
21) Wheaton: W - No. 13 Illinois Wesleyan...L - Augustana (11-9)
22) DePauw: W - No. 8 Trine...L - Wittenberg (12-8)
23) Transylvania: W - No. 8 Trine...L - Rose-Hulman (13-6)
24) Loras: W - Washington U. (13-5)...L - Wheaton
25) Washington U. W - No. 19 Chicago...L - Westminster (Mo.) 15-4

This isn't the only criteria I use, but I try to have some level of internal consistency here within my own ballot. So a win over Wheaton means more to me than it does to the average voter. I'm very high on UMHB so Thomas More's win over them on the road is a better win than Bowdoin beating Tufts and Amherst.

Teams that lack a really good win fall much lower on my ballot than in the poll. St. Joe's is 18th and has fallen in recent weeks versus No. 10 in the poll. No. 17 SUNY Geneseo isn't on my ballot at all because they have a loss to New Paltz (13-4) and no signature win I can point to.

For some teams the best result is a close loss. So Texas-Dallas gets a push up my ballot because they had a very close loss to Thomas More. Amherst's best result is a relatively close loss to Bowdoin (it was within two possessions with a minute to play). Oshkosh's best result is a close loss to Hope. George Fox's is a close loss to St. Thomas, though these geographically isolated teams are the hardest to slot. I think the NWC and ASC teams are very good, but most of their results only refer back to each other.

From a best win perspective, you could certainly argue that Scranton belongs above Amherst and Tufts. Those three teams are really close in my mind and the Amherst/Tufts loser drops below Scranton after Saturday. I'm hedging my bets a little by keeping the two NESCAC teams close to each other for one week. In retrospect Oshkosh looks out of place.

From a "worst loss perspective," the team with the lowest floor is Wartburg, but they also have a really high ceiling because they crushed St. Thomas. The only team ahead of Scranton on my ballot with a worst loss is maybe Amherst or UW-Oshkosh. I would take East Conn and UW-Whitewater over E-town, but maybe I'm selling E-town short.

The gap between Scranton and Amherst, Tufts and Oshkosh isn't big. Your argument that I have the order wrong is reasonable.

Thanks for your ballot and the reasoning. I'd vote more like the consensus top 25 with Amherst #4 and Scranton #5, moving UMHB, Trine, IWU, Wartburg, Hope, and Oshkosh below them.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 30, 2019, 09:19:42 AM
Rofrog and Ronk:

Those are fair points. I admit that I have a tendency to fall in love with up-tempo teams that have height at the guard position (Illinois Wesleyan, Mary Hardin-Baylor). I watch them run skilled teams liked Wartburg, DePauw or Austin off the court and then boost them up my rankings, perhaps disproportionately so.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 30, 2019, 11:42:13 AM
Talk about height last year in Nashville we played Wheaton and they were tall and young.It was pretty awesome after Scranton beat them- they came up and asked the team to go to the middle of the court and form a circle and pray  with them that was awesome in my eyes.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 30, 2019, 11:44:50 AM
Tell you the truth I like when Dave and Gordon shows the way they vote ,Ty for that i get a better insight the way you guys vote and then that opens up the door for discussions.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2019, 12:24:49 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on January 30, 2019, 11:44:50 AM
Tell you the truth I like when Dave and Gordon shows the way they vote ,Ty for that i get a better insight the way you guys vote and then that opens up the door for discussions.

+1
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 30, 2019, 01:38:25 PM
And I like hearing your opinions, even when they differ from mine. So thanks for offering them.

Group hug!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 30, 2019, 01:51:04 PM
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Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 01, 2019, 01:26:40 AM
Watched the UCONN-Louisville women's game tonight; one of the officials was Joe Vaszily, '95 Scranton grad and chair of the Board of Trustees who did the D1 Final last season and usually refs in the Final 4 the last many seasons.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 02, 2019, 03:46:51 PM
Second game Trevor gets out coached.Never once did they attack the basket until 4th Quarter.Come up with a better game plan coach-When you have a player like Bridgette things work better for you.When you dont you make adjustments in the ETown,Catholic no adjustments same **** handoff,handoff on offense,Then on Defense he went to the zone twice in the game They where lost out there,Coach dont worry about the fans worry about your team you have big problem when Bridgette is not  in and it showed.Like Turnovers,Lazy passing,Not hustling for the ball,Not ATTACKING THE basket.Bridgette makes you look to good.True skills showed.Team 12-8 beat you in every aspect of the game that is all on you.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 02, 2019, 11:24:14 PM
This is my first regional pick for the Middle Atlantic Conferenc.Scranton Withhout Bridgette Mann.1Messiah 21-1 ,Southern Virgina 17-3,Scranton 19-2,Getyysburg 17-3,John Hoplins 17-3 we will be on the road if no adjustments are made.I understand they only coach ,but they also put their best basketball players out there!!!!Anyone can coach a team with bridgette mann- only a few can coach when your best are hurt.,
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 03, 2019, 01:44:28 AM

Desales will be leading the Atlantic Region as they are not in the Middle Atlantic any longer.

Right now, they are head & shoulders above everyone else.

Not having your best player out for 3/4 of the season will do that.

Kids looked great at Juniata 2 weeks ago but have looked tired, slow, confused, reluctant & uninspired since.

Step up or step aside.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 03, 2019, 04:34:52 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 28, 2019, 01:00:09 AM
Quote from: saratoga on January 17, 2019, 07:37:00 PM

Back to basketball after that commercial for spellcheck.

If the Mid-Atlantic Regional came out tomorrow (which I know it doesn't) this is how I see it right now:

1.Scranton

2.Messiah

3.Gettysburg

4.Johns Hopkins

5.Widener

6.Southern Virginia

7.Christopher Newport

8. Probably 5 teams vying for the last spot.

Any other schools I'm missing having solid years?

This is certainly all subject to change over the next 2 weeks.

The school that is somewhat surprising in a good way is Southern Virginia. They are doing a real nice job and passed a big test last evening.

On the other hand, the team moving in the wrong direction is Muhlenberg.

They are 0 for 2019 and have lost at least 5 & possibly 6 straight games.

What is interesting this year about the Mid-Atlantic rankings is that Trevor is the Landmark rep on the regional advisory committee(RAC); other members are Nate Davis(Gettysburg-originally rumored to be the leading contender for the Scranton position), Janice Luck-Albright, and Bill Broderick-CNU with the chair being the Landmark director, Daniel Fisher.
  It'll be a question for Dave McHugh about the ranking procedures within the RAC, especially when there are only 5 members. Each of those 3 male coaches could conceivably want their own team to be #1 in the region at this time. is the ranking going to be decided by the other 2 members?

I brought this up with Trevor Woodruff yesterday after Scranton's game @ Catholic; he said no concern - Trevor, Bill Broderick, and Nate Davis were on the same RAC last season with Rose Katz of Arcadia as the Commonwealth rep. Janice Luck - Albright has replaced Rose this season. I wasn't aware of the board members last season; I became aware of this season's board members recently when someone posted a link to the NCAA championship manual.
  In addition, when Trevor mentioned the Commonwealth rep, I realized that I had left Messiah out of the discussion of the top 3 teams in the region. After Scranton's loss yesterday, Messiah may move to the top in the region when the rankings come out this week, even though Scranton defeated the team(York) who handed Messiah its only loss.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 03, 2019, 05:31:44 PM
Good catch Nepafan on Desales being in the Atlantic I forget about that all the time!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 03, 2019, 09:49:27 PM
What irks me is you beat Catholic by 17 pts without bridgette at home You Travel to D.C Starting 5 almost the same except Taylor is in instead of Ava to start.i would love to know how you make up 17 pts exactly with  the same thing.My thought was watching them yesterday there is some problems inside the team.This team is not the same as it was and you can see it in there play,For instance against Etown you fouled out one big and the 2nd one had four so why not attack underneath with Sofia to make that girl foul out(little things like that change the game) I dont even want to talk about Turnovers I think they average 19 per game.Passing is not great.Shooting 3s we all know that sayong(you live by the 3 you die by the 3 yesterday and Etown 7-28 is unacceptable and that goes to show they where not getting it into Mason or Recupero and one other thing I really notice yesterday is that the defense is not collapsing on the guard driving she is driving uncontested you should not have a 5ft3 driving the lane with 6ft3 ,5ft11 there is no way  in hell.Ladies you really need to pick up the defense you have been slipping as of late put it behind you and let's play like the champs you are!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 03, 2019, 10:04:44 PM
But I also have to say Catholic played it smart they would double team the bigs but the bigs didnt get the ball back out or they didnt put it up into the basket- credit Catholic.Everytime Sofia had the ball triple team so someone was opened same with Mason it was poorly executed basketball.But that famous saying is get your team to get hot at the right time.Go LadyRoyals (Get back to fundamental basketball)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 04, 2019, 09:57:20 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on February 03, 2019, 05:31:44 PM
Good catch Nepafan on Desales being in the Atlantic I forget about that all the time!!

That was Saratoga not me!  I would have had them in the Atlantic too.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 04, 2019, 09:41:07 PM
Sorry about that Neafan! thanks Saratoga for the correction.My thoughts on this up coming game against Moravian.This team is not playing together at all and you saw that against Catholic,No one was crashing the boards for rebounds ,they are getting out hustled to every loose ball.To many turnovers and they are stupid turnovers, there heads are not in the game! Im not sure if it is turmoil in the locker room or something you just dont get this bad over night with the same players in the game like I said coach needs to reel this team in quick and get it under control.Go Lady Royals
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 04, 2019, 11:30:44 PM
So if regionals came out today on the womens (Middle Atlantic) side this would be my take might be a little prejudice lol but (1 )Scranton 19-2 (2) Messiah 21-1 (3) Gettysburg 17-3 (4) John's Hopkins 18-3 (5) Southern Virginia 17-3 (6) CNU 16-5 That is my top 6 in MA region.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 06, 2019, 02:40:04 PM
First women's regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/women-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 06, 2019, 10:01:03 PM

Great win for the Lady Royals.

Got much more aggressive on the boards in the second half, nice adjustments.

Freshman E. Shurina is looking great as she's been worked into the lineup.

One game at a time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 07, 2019, 10:25:27 AM
Looking at the Landmark tiebreakers, it appears the Lady Royals have clinched a conference playoff berth, although I didn't see it mentioned in the write-up. 

Scranton will finish with a better conference record than Catholic, Goucher and Susquehanna. 

If Moravian or Drew lose one, or Scranton wins one, there will be no tiebreaker for the last playoff spot.

If Scranton loses the last three and both Moravian and Drew win out, Scranton holds the head-to-head over Moravian, and would have a better record vs. the top finishers in the conference than Drew.

Interestingly, there could be a five-way tie at 9-5 if this happens and Juniata loses to E-Town and beats Susquehanna.  That scenario would squeeze E-Town out given two losses to Moravian.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 07, 2019, 12:53:17 PM
Man, winning 100 games in three years doesn't go as far as it used to.  Good thing Trevor came on here to learn how to fix his offense.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 07, 2019, 02:46:11 PM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on February 07, 2019, 10:25:27 AM
Looking at the Landmark tiebreakers, it appears the Lady Royals have clinched a conference playoff berth, although I didn't see it mentioned in the write-up. 

Scranton will finish with a better conference record than Catholic, Goucher and Susquehanna. 

If Moravian or Drew lose one, or Scranton wins one, there will be no tiebreaker for the last playoff spot.

If Scranton loses the last three and both Moravian and Drew win out, Scranton holds the head-to-head over Moravian, and would have a better record vs. the top finishers in the conference than Drew.

Interestingly, there could be a five-way tie at 9-5 if this happens and Juniata loses to E-Town and beats Susquehanna.  That scenario would squeeze E-Town out given two losses to Moravian.

That was the big negative with a 4-team conference tourney. A team tied for 1st would miss out on the conference championship and NCAA AQ for as little as a coin flip. And, I consider E-town to be the 2nd strongest team in the conference.
   I had mentioned to Gordon Mann a few years ago and he was dubious that it was mathematically possible til I mentioned that it nearly happened on the men's side in one of the last years Scranton was in the Freedom. Going into the final week, there was that possibility with all the 5 top teams splitting with each other and beating the bottom 3 such that a coin flip would have decided the 5th team out of the postseason tourney.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 07, 2019, 02:54:33 PM
Lefty:

Beyond the 100 + wins, what I think is even more remarkable is that in nearly 4 full seasons, the Senior class (all 1 of them) have only lost 9 games & 3 of those losses have come in Elite 8 or Sweet 16 games.

Most teams have 9 losses by the time January ends.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 07, 2019, 03:40:35 PM
The other thing I was thinking of was that the Lady Royals will be losing Bridgette next year, so while I think while the Scranton fans would agree we'd rather have her on the court now, the team still has a darned good record without her and have gained good experience (especially for Taylor and Ava) for what next year will be like.

Yes, they have clearly struggled to find their identity in these few weeks sans Bridgette,  but I am optimistic that this will prove beneficial for an already strong program.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 07, 2019, 06:33:57 PM
So you agree something was wrong with the offense - lefty! ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 07, 2019, 07:34:55 PM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on February 07, 2019, 03:40:35 PM
The other thing I was thinking of was that the Lady Royals will be losing Bridgette next year, so while I think while the Scranton fans would agree we'd rather have her on the court now, the team still has a darned good record without her and have gained good experience (especially for Taylor and Ava) for what next year will be like.

Yes, they have clearly struggled to find their identity in these few weeks sans Bridgette,  but I am optimistic that this will prove beneficial for an already strong program.

   Bridgette is the only player on the team who can create her own shot which is necessary when the offense is well-defended late in the shot clock by the good teams they will face in the postseason. They'll need to replace her capability in the coming recruiting class.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 07, 2019, 09:07:50 PM
Great point,  I think Hanna does well in that category also.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 07, 2019, 09:09:15 PM
By all means bring in another Bridget clone but in case that doesn't happen, I think the Royals already have a young lady with ice water in her veins in Emily Shurina.

She's finally healthy & she comes off the bench shooting & scoring in bunches.

This experience Trevor is giving her plus another year of growth, maturity & knowledge & she will be just fine.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 07, 2019, 10:00:48 PM
Ronk: get on the horn and get him a prospect then!!! ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 07, 2019, 11:27:50 PM
 He's been working it; check the Vatican smokestack in the next few months for white or black smoke regarding commits.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 08, 2019, 01:37:43 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 08, 2019, 05:29:44 PM
 With Wall of Fame and senior basketball honors tomorrow, there's been a change in game start times to 1 PM for the women and 3:30 PM for the men.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 09, 2019, 03:17:58 PM
 Lady Royals clinch a semifinal tourney hosting spot with the win today. The playing court isn't as important as avoiding a 4-hr midweek trip to Catholic or Juniata.
  Bridgette Mann got to play 8 mins today, but showed she wasn't all the way back, yet. 
  Royals shot 12-13 FTs. Emily Shurina ran her consecutive made 3s to 6, now 53% from 3 and 85% FT.
  Effective game from post players Sofia and Danielle working against 6-4 Gracie Stauffer.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 09, 2019, 08:57:33 PM
E-Town has also clinched a playoff spot with their win today, but could still be on the road if they lose their next two.  And with both Juniata and Moravian on their schedule (both of whom have already beaten E-Town), and both of them fighting for the last two playoff spots with Drew and Catholic, this could be a photo finish!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 09, 2019, 09:43:14 PM
 This is my projected standings after next week's games:

1. Scranton     12-2
2. E-town        11-3
3-5. Catholic/Moravian/Juniata    8-6
6. Drew            6-8
7. Susquehanna  3-11
8. Goucher         0-14

    Catholic would get 3rd by virtue of beating Scranton but it might be a coin flip tiebreaker for 4th between Moravian and Juniata.   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 09, 2019, 10:57:35 PM
Im impressed by the way Drew is in every game.That coach is doing a nice job from what he gets!He wasn't handed a great team like some coaches he actually had to build the program up from scratch so hats off.Congrats to the two Seniors for the Lady Royals.Great  to see you ladies play the 4years as a Lady Royal.Keep it going Lady Royals.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 09, 2019, 11:33:42 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on February 09, 2019, 10:57:35 PM
Im impressed by the way Drew is in every game.That coach is doing a nice job from what he gets!He wasn't handed a great team like some coaches he actually had to build the program up from scratch so hats off.Congrats to the two Seniors for the Lady Royals.Great  to see you ladies play the 4years as a Lady Royal.Keep it going Lady Royals.

The coach came from D1 Manhattan a few years ago. He had recruited Katie O'Reilly's younger sister, Kelliann, and when he left, she transferred to Ithaca this season.
  His leading scorer, Julia Ramos, I had seen play a few times in high school and AAU. She's a factor in the Landmark. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 09, 2019, 11:46:59 PM
I remember seeing a Lady he had about 6ft she was only a freshman.Did she leave the team she was going to be a great player in my eyes?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 10, 2019, 01:39:13 AM
The young lady I'm asking about is Monique Davis-Campbell!Did she drop out or did she enroll into another School?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 10, 2019, 01:51:20 AM
 My buddy is a close observer of northern NJ girls' ball; I'll send him a query tomorrow. I had seen her in high school and she had a good frosh season last year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 10, 2019, 02:25:56 AM
Thank you:I sent you the article from the game between Moravian vs Scranton let me know if you received it!I sent it to nepafan he received it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 10, 2019, 04:32:21 AM
Just my thought.Desales has been peaking the whole basketball season.They have not slipped up at all since that loss to sage.Richter like I said when Strong and him met during the freedom league was a great x and o coach.He might not have the talent Scranton had but he would out coach Strong alot of times.Just a thought .
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 10, 2019, 09:50:18 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on February 10, 2019, 02:25:56 AM
Thank you:I sent you the article from the game between Moravian vs Scranton let me know if you received it!I sent it to nepafan he received it.

Got it, thanks.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 10, 2019, 06:57:25 PM
Richter is a great coach and he has great depth this year. The Bulldogs have put together this run with their best scorer unavailable due to an injury against Trinity over the holiday break. With the right match-ups this team could advance to at least the Elite 8.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 11, 2019, 09:06:54 PM
Not sure where Desales ends up,But it would be nice for Scranton not to meet a nescac team until later,3 years in a row we played Tufts at home,Tufts at St Louis and Bowdoin at home reminded me that year when Scranton made back to back final fours only to be matched up against Ali Fischer and Washington U.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 12, 2019, 10:43:24 AM
I just noticed that Brian Monaghan´s little sister Bridget committed to Scranton for next fall.  She just became Morristown-Beard´s all-time leading scorer.  From her highlight video, she looks like she can attack the basket and create her own shot while seeing the court well.  Who knows how that will translate at the next level, though...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 12, 2019, 11:07:47 AM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on February 12, 2019, 10:43:24 AM
I just noticed that Brian Monaghan´s little sister Bridget committed to Scranton for next fall.  She just became Morristown-Beard´s all-time leading scorer.  From her highlight video, she looks like she can attack the basket and create her own shot while seeing the court well.  Who knows how that will translate at the next level, though...

There is optimism that Bridget will help in those respects; saw her play AAU 2 summers ago, but not this past season, so I don't know how much her game has developed in the interim.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 12, 2019, 11:26:22 AM

There is a fantastic picture on the D3 Front page of an Emory post player establishing inside position to perfection.

Ashley is 6'2" and she is giving her teammates a target for an entry pass at about 6'6".

She is in perfect position to catch the pass and go powerfully to the basket.

I see so many post players that are 6' or taller that actually make themselves smaller in the paint which then allows 5;6' guards to strip them of the ball.

Well done Ashley.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 13, 2019, 12:32:15 AM
Regional rankings come out tomorrow?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 13, 2019, 12:33:48 AM
yes
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 13, 2019, 12:03:07 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on February 13, 2019, 12:32:15 AM
Regional rankings come out tomorrow?

The top 4 shouldn't change.  Haverford should drop down a bit with 2 losses; Salisbury will likely drop out with the same.  Not sure who's behind them ready to jump into the rankings.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2019, 01:29:10 PM
With vRRO into the mix ... could make things more interesting.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2019, 02:54:29 PM
Regional Rankings Week 2 released: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/women-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 13, 2019, 08:56:32 PM

Congrats to Trevor & the Lady Royals.

Take care of the next one Saturday & enjoy the Top seed for the playoffs.



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 14, 2019, 10:36:24 PM
I think that the only scenario in which Scranton is not the top seed would be if

Goucher beats Scranton and
E-Town beats Moravian and
Catholic beats Drew

If I read the tiebreaker scenarios right, Catholic would then hold the tiebreaker over Moravian to be the three seed and then E-Town would hold the tiebreaker over Scranton.  Scranton holds the tiebreaker if Moravian or Juniata is the three seed.  Does that sound right?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 15, 2019, 12:52:41 AM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on February 14, 2019, 10:36:24 PM
I think that the only scenario in which Scranton is not the top seed would be if

Goucher beats Scranton and
E-Town beats Moravian and
Catholic beats Drew

If I read the tiebreaker scenarios right, Catholic would then hold the tiebreaker over Moravian to be the three seed and then E-Town would hold the tiebreaker over Scranton.  Scranton holds the tiebreaker if Moravian or Juniata is the three seed.  Does that sound right?

In my interpretation of Landmark tiebreaker for multiple ties,(Scranton/E-town for 1st and Catholic/Moravian/Juniata for 3rd). 1st tiebreaker is head-to-head in descending order. neither tie can be broken this way. Next is to break the tie in descending order by conference record against the remaining teams in descending order - the tie for 1st would then be considered before the tie for 3rd; Scranton would have  a record of 5-1 against the teams tied for 3rd vs E-town's 4-2 record so Scranton would be the 1st seed. If only Moravian and Catholic are tied for 3rd, Scranton and E-town are 3-1 vs them, so the tie is broken by Scranton 2-0 vs 5th place Juniata while E-town is 1-1. If it's Moravian and Juniata tied for 3rd, then Scranton is 4-0 vs them, E-town 2-2 so Scranton wins the tiebreaker in all cases.
Again, it's my reading of the Landmark tiebreaking rules - no guarantees.
What is more probable to contemplate(since Goucher is down to only 6 players and is unlikely to defeat the Lady Royals) is to contemplate who would be their 1st round opponent. I'd prefer to avoid Catholic/Matt Donahue since he's beaten us twice in recent years in low-scoring games with defense; Moravian(Capuano) could have a hot shooting game, so I'd prefer playing Juniata. Catholic would win a tiebreaker for 3rd with Moravian(and Juniata) or for 4th with Juniata only. Don't know who wins a tiebreaker between Moravian and Juniata for 4th.
  It would have been a more interesting year if Juniata hadn't lost their best player(Anstone), E-town(Beyer, Reynolds) and Catholic(numerous injuries); of course, the same for the Lady Royals with Bridgette and Julia. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 15, 2019, 02:12:57 AM

Taking nothing away from the players you mention that have been lost to other schools, it still would have been interesting to see what this year would have brought with a fully healthy Julia & Bridgett.

Julia was a Freshman of the Year in a tough DII conference that was never the same after transferring in.
She survived her first ACL tear but the second one took her off the court but not off the team.

You can see virtually every night the loss of Bridget is having as there are some serious droughts the kids hit while looking for someone to take the big shot.

She made everyone around her better.

As she was hounded by the oppositions best defensive player or double teamed, it allowed the other kids the freedom to find open areas and get high percentage looks.

Lanes were open, the wings were open & scoring could happen from anywhere on the court.

Kids that had breakout years the past two seasons are now themselves struggling because they are the focal point of defenses with Bridget out & life isn't quite as easy as it was with her in the lineup.

The good news is the kids have had enough time without Julia & Bridget to figure things out and have new opportunities presented.

The better news is, slowly but surely, Bridget is making her way back to the court & Bridget at 60% is a whole lot better than the alternative...for everyone involved.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 16, 2019, 07:50:14 PM
Didn't see the game today but the stat that jumps out (besides Mason's 18 boards) is Mann's 26 minutes. Hopefully she will be 100% in time for the playoffs.

I see that Moravian got the 4 seed. Anyone know what the tiebreaker was? They had identical top to bottom records as Juniata and I'm too lazy to compare OOC schedules...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 16, 2019, 08:20:47 PM
It went all the way to road win pct. Moravian 5-2 and Juniata 3-4
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 16, 2019, 08:35:50 PM
  Bridgette was missing her 3s in pregame warmups, started the game, missed at least her 1st 4 game 3s attempts before going 3-6 the rest of the way, discounting an end of period try. She looked comfortable moving, so probably be close to 100% for the Wednesday semifinal.
  A lot of turnovers For the Lady Royals, mostly bad passes/fumbled catches against a very short, undermanned, but game Goucher group. Goucher did a good job with their offensive movement. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 17, 2019, 08:04:46 AM

Some stats that don't show up on the games stats we see are the actual blown layups & crazy off balance shots that are taken.

Whatever the total, they are far too many.

Another stat that jumps off the page from yesterday is 20 minutes played and 0 rebounds?? Possibly sick or injured, not sure.

There were at least a half dozen times the Wollard girl from Goucher came away with both defensive & offensive rebounds surrounded by at least 3 Lady Royal players standing flat footed waiting for someone else to get the rebound.

This team has to get hungrier for second chance shots & blocking the opposition out.
Mackenzie certainly did her fair share of board duty, probably had at least half the team total herself.

Wollard played her heart out for Goucher & I'll take that energy & passion any day.

Great to see Bridget back & moving fairly comfortably.
Just seeing her move without pain & getting her stroke down is a welcome sight.

Best of luck Wednesday evening to Trevor & the kids, a whole new season is about to begin.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 19, 2019, 03:54:02 PM
Landmark playoffs pushed back to Thursday/Sunday because of the impending weather:

http://landmarkconference.org/general/2018-19/releases/02192019-bball-champ-changes
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2019, 03:02:13 PM
The new NCAA Division III women's basketball regional rankings are posted: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/women-regional-rankings-third
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 20, 2019, 07:09:02 PM

Lady Royals back at number 1 in the Region.

Not too shabby considering the ladies & coaching staff pulled off a 23-2 record with an All-American sidelined for 16 of 25 games.

Congrats to all!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 22, 2019, 08:57:45 AM

Great job Lady Royals.

All the best on Sunday.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 24, 2019, 02:22:07 PM
Congratulations, Lady Royals!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 24, 2019, 03:00:47 PM
 Congrats Lady Royals - good defense, got 50/50 balls, good backdoor cuts, good passes and catches in the paint.

E-town missing Angie Hawkins, their most athletic player; she didn't play in the semi, either. They have a chance for an at-large; playing Scranton will boost their SOS.

Scranton had 3 NESCAC teams ahead of them in the D3 poll; needed Bowdoin to win to drop Tufts and Amherst behind Scranton in the seeded brackets for hosting probability in the 2nd weekend. If the first weekend goes to chalk, it should mean Scranton would go to Tufts or Bowdoin for the 2nd weekend.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 24, 2019, 05:17:45 PM

Trevor had the kids well prepared & they executed extremely well.

The Lady Royals will certainly host next weekend, after that it depends on a variety of things.

I do not see E-town getting a bid.

There have already been several upsets in league championships, I don't see room for a team that doesn't have at least 20 wins.

One team with a huge turn-around from last season is Hartwick.

They played the Lady Royals in our Holiday Tournament and appeared lost on their way to only 8 wins. I think the Royals defeated them by close to 40.

This year, they are 23-4 and champions of the Empire 8.

What a difference a year can make.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 24, 2019, 05:37:10 PM
  Hartwick's leading scorer missed the Scranton game, they only played 6 players with 4 playing 40 mins. Agreed, it's been a remarkable turnaround. 
  For some reason, E-town only played 24 regular season games, or else they might have reached the 20-win plateau.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 24, 2019, 06:00:51 PM

Hosting pods next weekend will be:

*Bowdoin
*Tufts
*Amherst
*Scranton
*Haverford?
*Chris-Newport
*Desales
*Hunter

Anyone else from New England/Mid Atlantic/Atlantic?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 24, 2019, 06:10:26 PM
Messiah definitely, Gettysburg, New Paltz(East), Marymount
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2019, 06:34:34 PM
Don't bet on Amherst. Losing in the semis could make things interesting.

Also, Haverford will not, nor will CNU. DeSales certainly, Hunter no.

I'm not sure Marymount hosts at all - their criteria isn't good enough.

Messiah probably, G'burg I doubt.

There are 16 hosts across the entire country. You guys are putting a lot of stock in a lot of teams in this area.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 24, 2019, 06:59:28 PM

I'd say yes on Messiah, forgot them.

I'm thinking no on Marymount if for no other reason than the no mans land the conference is in for 2 years.

Thinking no to G-Burg as well. They lost that chance when they lost to Haverford.

Haverford as a host, probably not.

I'm still thinking CNU gets a site the first weekend.

Putting a lot of stock in New England/Mid Atlantic & Atlantic because the last 1,000 miles of the US from north to south & east to west has about 12 D3 schools.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 24, 2019, 09:31:57 PM
 My annual choices for the members of Scranton's pod strictly from the viewpoint of having teams with former prospects of mine:

NE - MIT or Middlebury or E. Conn
E - Ithaca or Geneseo or New Paltz
A - TCNJ or Marymount or Misericordia

Last year in the Scranton sectional I had players on Tufts, Bowdoin, and Messiah.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 24, 2019, 11:30:45 PM

We're all waiting for the day you can add your alma mater to that list!  :'(
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 24, 2019, 11:46:23 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 24, 2019, 11:30:45 PM

We're all waiting for the day you can add your alma mater to that list!  :'(

There is 1 - Sofia Recupero - so it hasn't all been in vain.  ::)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 25, 2019, 05:54:52 PM
 Lady Royals got a good draw in the bracketing; I'll have to check out New England College later but E. Conn will be a challenge in 2nd round - they beat us in the 1st round 4 years ago @ home with Mesaris, Payonk, and Roman - very good defense.
Gettysburg would be manageable in the 3rd round, leaving Tufts in the 4th. Prefer facing Tufts to Bowdoin or Thomas More.
  For hosting in the sectional, CNU winning the Gettysburg regional(and they easily could) would mean Scranton should host since CNU is 600+ miles from Tufts.
   There is a path to the Final 4 in Roanoke; we'll see if we're up to it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 25, 2019, 06:27:44 PM
Difference Ronk was the Coach !!!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 25, 2019, 06:39:41 PM
I just don't understand  how Middlebury or Smith gets in before Etown? Etown is well deserving of a spot in the tournament.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 25, 2019, 06:44:28 PM
Only explainable if Hopkins was the last choice, blocking E-town from the table; Miseri beat Mt st. Mary so Miseri should have been ranked higher in the Atlantic than MSM and gotten their pool C berth.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 25, 2019, 07:13:36 PM
Compared the 3 teams from the 3rd regionals rankings. Smith was 5th ,Middebury was 6th in the NE while Etown was 6th in the MA.Middebury doesnt make there Championship game  not sure about Smith.Middlebury 19-7 sos 569 Smith 21-6 sos 523 Etown 19-7 sos 549.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 25, 2019, 11:00:02 PM
Smith lost to Springfield in the NEWMAC semifinals.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2019, 11:27:42 PM
rofrog - you are also using older data. Middlebury's SOS was better than that for example. The data changes every week.

And all but 44 teams will lose a game in the final week of the season and 88 don't make the conference tournament championships. It is pretty common not to get to those games.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 26, 2019, 12:22:54 AM
Will we see that data or at least final regional ranking? would love to see those!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 26, 2019, 12:46:08 AM
We hope, too, yes.

Nothing yet.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 26, 2019, 12:57:09 AM
Thanks Gordon!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 26, 2019, 08:53:52 AM
Belated congrats to the Lady Royals and everyone associated with the program!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 26, 2019, 05:42:19 PM
What is absolutely remarkable is that in 4 years, Trevor & his teams have lost a TOTAL of 6 league games!

109/9 & counting over 4 years...incredible. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 27, 2019, 04:03:12 PM
The Landmark conference just released its awards for women's basketball. 

http://landmarkconference.org/sports/wbkb/2018-19/releases/02272019-wbb-awards

Congratulations to all the student-athletes and Coach Nolt!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 27, 2019, 05:19:13 PM
 Congrats to our S/As and to Coach Nolt, especially w/o the 2 aforementioned player returnee losses.
  Too bad E-town didn't play a 25th regular season game; it probably would have secured a pool C berth. Thomas More was available as an opponent(only 21 D3 opponents;willing to travel for games).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 02, 2019, 08:14:06 PM
Congratulations on making it to the sweet 16 for the fourth year in a row Lady Royals!!!!Messiah,Tufts and Thomas More- had some tough games also not saying Scranton didnt.That is what makes basketball so exciting because anyone can win on any night.See you next weekend Lady Royals where ever that might be (Tufts,Messiah or CNU )Hopefully it is home (Scranton)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 02, 2019, 08:16:14 PM
One other thing nice crowd this weekend!!!Question where is this crowd during the season?Such a great team
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 02, 2019, 08:44:25 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on March 02, 2019, 08:16:14 PM
One other thing nice crowd this weekend!!!Question where is this crowd during the season?Such a great team

This is on the administration and athletic department, got to get more people out at these games.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 02, 2019, 10:34:12 PM
Agree 100% Nepafan.Their communication with the public has failed miserably!Back in the days it was in the paper letting people know that a team was playing.Today you only see Scott Walsh and the news stations only during big games.They spend more time in High School sports then anything and it is a damn shame,The Ladies program has been outstanding with one of the best coaches in the nation in d3(Truthfully thanks to Dave and d3 hoops for the publicity they send out about all d3 teams.)The SID should really understand everyone doesnt have a computer,especially the elders in the area.So yes they have failed deeply!Guarentee if they didnt send out about having a pre game party, that half them people wouldnt have showed up!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 03, 2019, 01:42:37 PM
Lady Royals get next weekends Host site.

They'll play CNU at 7:00.

Championship on Sat. will begin at 6:00.

Congratulations to Coach Woodruff, his staff & certainly all the young women for another remarkable year of championship basketball!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 04, 2019, 03:14:32 PM
Dave quick question when did you think Scranton was in trouble and you thought Hopkins was going to pull it out?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on March 04, 2019, 06:45:53 PM
Rumor has it that if Scranton wins Friday, they are throwing a parade on Saturday.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 04, 2019, 06:54:30 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on March 04, 2019, 06:45:53 PM
Rumor has it that if Scranton wins Friday, they are throwing a parade on Saturday.

That's always been deep in the selection criteria for sectional hosting; it goes to Scranton for the St. Patrick's Day weekend. Tufts and Messiah are happy to return from last year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on March 04, 2019, 07:03:04 PM
Maybe they should have a parade in conjunction with every home game to help with attendance. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 04, 2019, 07:12:40 PM
Lefty:

The only thing bad about throwing that "party" on Saturday is the students at Scranton are having the dorms close Friday evening for the start of Spring Break.

Hopefully, enough students living off campus will find their way back up the hill by game time to attend Saturday, should the Royals be fortunate enough to still be playing.

The UofS does everything in their power to get the students out of town for this weekend which ends up hurting the student attendance for these games.

I think they even have just about every Spring sport on the road somewhere with the exception of women's lax.

Just because one or two kids might try & have an adult beverage somewhere along the parade route, they make the whole school pay.

Go figure.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on March 04, 2019, 07:20:40 PM
Sources close to me say the residence halls will be open.

I am trying to confirm that Trevor will be the grand marshall.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 04, 2019, 07:55:38 PM

Two more wins on Trevor's resume & Dave better break out the contract extension.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 04, 2019, 09:07:25 PM
Remember them days when Mellody,Matt played-the place was packed they sold out during the week.Todays game you can buy them at the gym - day of game.Still remeber that game against Bowdoin like it was yesterday.So yes for some reason they are not filling the stands.(It is a damn shame to see it like that!!!) He has a great team and building a dynasty soon to be!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 05, 2019, 12:44:45 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on March 04, 2019, 03:14:32 PM
Dave quick question when did you think Scranton was in trouble and you thought Hopkins was going to pull it out?

Early in the fourth? (Time is a blur right now.) JHU made a run to cut it within seven or so and Scranton looked back on their heels. They weren't able to stop JHU opportunities suddenly and weren't hitting shots on offense. It was starting to look like JHU's run could make it difficult for Scranton to stop - something we had seen in several other games just a short time earlier.

Scranton may have called timeout - with so many games going on I lost track of that - and got some stops. That was key to slow JHU down and Scranton was then able to keep them at arm's length until JHU ran out of gas.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 06, 2019, 04:24:03 AM
Yeah Scranton lead every quarter 16-12,18-11,12-11,13-12.But yeah JH got it down to 6pts with 8:05 left in the fourth and Mason hit a 3 pts and scranton went on a 13-6 run to end the game!
This statement is true- basketball is a game of runs it truly is.Dave keep up with the great work truly appreciate it you put more in here about our local team then are sports edition in the local paper.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 06, 2019, 02:28:07 PM
Sorry to hear about your local editors. Scranton as a department deserves better.

Same can be said in my neck of the woods with the programs around here as well.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 06, 2019, 09:13:44 PM
students have to pay for this weekends games?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 06, 2019, 09:43:31 PM

Per the Scranton website, looks like the answer is $4.00.

However, Ronk has generously offered to underwrite the first 1,000 Scranton students wearing purple.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 06, 2019, 11:21:16 PM
 Sorry, all my funds for Scranton donations went to playing in the Carlesimo Golf Tourney last June.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 07, 2019, 12:34:21 PM
All NCAA tournament games have a gate charge ... different rate for students which is normally $5.

Some schools pay for the student tickets and allow them to be free. In this case, they may be paying for some of the price to reduce the cost.

It is not a Scranton choice on ticket prices, it is an NCAA/DIII one. Considering the costs involved in running these events, charging a gate fee even for students makes sense. It is still a damn cheap ticket for games.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 07, 2019, 03:57:12 PM
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Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 07, 2019, 08:15:43 PM

Regarding attendance....

I know we all want the Long Center packed for every game the Lady Royals play but last weekend they played before an average of 1,300 fans on Friday & Saturday evening.

Last night, Division I Binghamton played Albany in the first round of the America East Tournament in front of:

A. 4,396

B. 5,277

c. 472

The answer is C.

This is for a D-I automatic bid.

Trust me, the Long Center will put those numbers to shame for any game, let alone a playoff game.

So, although we wish the Lady Royals had 2,000 there every night to watch, imagine how D-I kids feel with 400 people sitting in a 6,000 seat arena for a playoff game?

I'll take a rocking Long Center any day!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 08, 2019, 10:24:25 AM
Quote from: saratoga on March 07, 2019, 08:15:43 PM

Regarding attendance....

I know we all want the Long Center packed for every game the Lady Royals play but last weekend they played before an average of 1,300 fans on Friday & Saturday evening.

Last night, Division I Binghamton played Albany in the first round of the America East Tournament in front of:

A. 4,396

B. 5,277

c. 472

The answer is C.

This is for a D-I automatic bid.

Trust me, the Long Center will put those numbers to shame for any game, let alone a playoff game.

So, although we wish the Lady Royals had 2,000 there every night to watch, imagine how D-I kids feel with 400 people sitting in a 6,000 seat arena for a playoff game?

I'll take a rocking Long Center any day!

You are supposed to let us guess. Ha.

I have no issue with overall attendance, my issue is more with student turnout during the year for both the men's and women's games. Enjoy the game tonight all!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on March 08, 2019, 09:13:26 PM
Well, Scranton won.  It wasn´t pretty, but they won.  I´ll take it, but they need to play much better tomorrow to have a chance against Tufts. 

I thought they did a nice job breaking the press but they were too timid in the half court and didn´t attack the basket enough.  They played generally solid half-court defense especially around the perimeter.  But when they allowed penetration, CNU either scored right away or they allowed second chance opportunities.

That said, they could have given up after being down 15-6 after the first, and I give them credit for fighting back and staying in the game, allowing Mason and Mann to hit some big shots down the stretch and eke it out.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 08, 2019, 09:19:22 PM
what an ending...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 09, 2019, 09:47:19 AM

The Lady Royals didn't panic when down 10, which is also a spot they've rarely been in all year.

In the post game interview one of the players referenced the earlier Desales game where they were down 16 and the mindset was keep coming back one good possession after another.

Have to give props to the student section for this one as well, no question they played a vital role in this outcome.

Hope the flights to Cancun, the Bahama's & Europe for Spring break don't leave until Sunday & they're all back tonight!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 09, 2019, 10:40:40 AM
One final thought on last nights game.

Although I certainly wanted the CNU player to miss at least one shot (preferably 2) at the end, I think we all need to remember that the player in question is still someone's little girl who probably pretended she was on the line with one second left since she first started playing the game at 8 years old.

For whatever reason, it just was not meant to be last night.

It is certainly my hope that this mili-second in time does not ever minimize all the camps, all the practices, all the games & all the extra work she nor anyone commit to becoming elite athletes in their chosen sport and end up as their defining moment.

Human nature, being what it is, will have her think she let her team down.

It is now up to her teammates, coaches & friends to reinforce to her nothing could be further from the truth.

It's a process...I wish her well.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 09, 2019, 11:13:21 AM

I continue to be amazed at what college and pro athletes train themselves to endure and forget in moments like that.  I ran cross country in high school, in some pretty big moments, but those are largely individual events.  It's so different with a team.  I was the 5th or 6th best player on my intramural team in college.  We made the finals my senior year.  I've never experienced the dislocation, adrenaline, and pressure like that anywhere else in my life.  And that was just stupid college intramurals.  I can't even imagine how it feels to be at the line for something like Sweet Sixteen make-or-break FTs.  You'll never hear me downplay or criticize anyone in those moments.  Making big plays in big moments, with a team counting on you, even if they're routine, is amazing.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 09, 2019, 12:16:12 PM
Quote from: saratoga on March 09, 2019, 10:40:40 AM
One final thought on last nights game.

Although I certainly wanted the CNU player to miss at least one shot (preferably 2) at the end, I think we all need to remember that the player in question is still someone's little girl who probably pretended she was on the line with one second left since she first started playing the game at 8 years old.

For whatever reason, it just was not meant to be last night.

It is certainly my hope that this mili-second in time does not ever minimize all the camps, all the practices, all the games & all the extra work she nor anyone commit to becoming elite athletes in their chosen sport and end up as their defining moment.

Human nature, being what it is, will have her think she let her team down.

It is now up to her teammates, coaches & friends to reinforce to her nothing could be further from the truth.

It's a process...I wish her well.

Well said,   thanks.

Saw Coach Broderick hugging/consoling her immediately after the game, so the process has begun. Best wishes!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 09, 2019, 02:52:52 PM
Tannor handled herself very well in the press conference last night.

She was asked about the free throws and said something to the effect of, "They both felt good leaving my hand. I wasn't bothered by the student section. I wouldn't do anything differently the next time. My coach believed in me."

There were no tears, just a determined smile.

After the press conference, while I was working on the front page in the press box, I saw the CNU team waiting for the bus. Tannor was as energetic and upbeat as the rest of the team, smiling and enjoying her teammates' company. I don't know what she was really thinking or feeling and there will be a lot of time for her to process that. But in the immediate aftermath she seemed to be handling it very well.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on March 09, 2019, 07:35:38 PM
No quit for these Lady Royals!  15-0 run to close the game and win for a trip to the Final Four!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 09, 2019, 07:38:10 PM
what did i just see, or not see cuz i turned it off. Congrats!!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 09, 2019, 07:44:40 PM
Congrats see you in the Final Four this team has alot of heart.Congrats to coach and his staff.Wow I'm  actually shaken Great comeback down 11with 8 minutes to go
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Maine 1 on March 09, 2019, 08:28:46 PM
How does Tufts go 0 for the last eight minutes?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 09, 2019, 08:36:18 PM
 Defense
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 09, 2019, 08:37:47 PM
went cold also
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 09, 2019, 08:51:15 PM
 Gordon-mann thank you for picking  the Lady Royals  for the final four.Since the poll had a different idea 45% said Scranton would lose as a host. oh well You prevailed Lady Royals and Coach Woodruff ,Great job see you in Salem!!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 09, 2019, 09:06:20 PM
I'll take full credit for their victory. :)

Great comeback tonight and a great environment.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 09, 2019, 09:13:48 PM
Yes it was -hopefully see you in Salem!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 10, 2019, 12:10:16 AM
Dave a question you brought up about the Middle Atlantic all being bunched in the Scranton pod-So my question is since they took the time to break up the Almighty Nescac so they didnt get all the schools together -why didnt they do the same with the MIddle Atlantic schools like they did with Nescac?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 10, 2019, 12:30:08 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on March 10, 2019, 12:10:16 AM
Dave a question you brought up about the Middle Atlantic all being bunched in the Scranton pod-So my question is since they took the time to break up the Almighty Nescac so they didnt get all the schools together -why didnt they do the same with the MIddle Atlantic schools like they did with Nescac?

Let me start with one thing: NESCAC is a conference; Mid-Atlantic is obviously a region. The Centennial was broken up accordingly just like the NESCAC. Also, the NESCAC certainly deserved a little extra attention considering how good those teams have been, even in the criteria, all year.

That said, we asked the committee all the way back to the CNU-Gettysburg first round game why some things didn't seemed as split off as others. In the national scope, there was a lot of separating and making it feel national. In some smaller pods, we saw lots of diversity (i.e. at DeSales there was also Middlebury, John Carroll, and Shenandoah). However, at G'burg, there was CNU, Mount St. Mary, and Westfield State. At Tufts, there was Haverford, Rosmont, and Western New England. There are other examples.

I think we saw moments were the committee seemed to "get it" and other times they didn't. The response Karin Harvey gave on air about CNU-Gettysburg was "they hadn't played this year." What I think you can hear in that answer is: they avoided rematches in the first or second round as much as possible, but sometimes lost sight of the regional match-ups. Yes, CNU and G'burg hadn't played each other, but they are also two, well ranked, Mid-Atlantic teams and they should have been separated at the very least for the first round if not the first weekend.

Now, I will say it seemed geography played a role. There was a sizable gap between the Great Lakes teams and those to the east that didn't allow as much criss-crossing of teams in the bracket. I think that's why the Thomas More opening week pod looked ugly with Trine (or Hope, or whomever they put there). That may not have helped things, but I still think the committee could have done better.

I think having three Mid-Atlantic teams in the same section (and really more than that considering how many had to beat each other: CNU-G'burg; Hopkins-Scranton, etc.) was something that should have been looked at more. I think swapping with some teams in New England, East Region, and maybe elsewhere should have happened ... but I would have to go back to the map and the bracket to see where that would have been proper.

I do wish they could have done better.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 10, 2019, 01:28:33 AM
I agree dave,Im not sure why they dont let you in on it.Dave you can be a big plus for the committee seriously!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Maine 1 on March 10, 2019, 07:46:13 AM
Just following up on Tufts going 0 for the last eight minutes.  I saw the first part of this game, and although obviously the defenses are to be credited, both offenses were not good.  And at this level (final eight, and a top ranked team), bad offense is as much to blame for not scoring for almost an entire quarter as is good defense.
As it relates to the NESCAC teams, they deserved to be split, and looking at the results, the NESCAC is maybe two baskets from having three teams in the final four, and both Amherst and Tufts lost on the home court of the eventual final four team. The conference continues to show that it is at the top of D3 hoops
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 10, 2019, 09:17:54 AM

First off...

Congratulations to all the Lady Royals, their coaches, parents & everyone associated with the program.

Last night had about 5 different plots emerge but in the end, the no quit Lady Royals came back from about as dead in the water any team could be and found their second wind just in time.

Maine 1....I think just about every element (defense, poor shot selection, missed open shots, more defense, unforced turnovers, unnecessary fouls, trying to play too perfect, and the sheer physicality of the game) all played into both teams playing the way they did.

I mean Tufts had no problem dropping 75 on Bowdoin 2 weeks ago at Bowdoin in the NESCAC championship so they obviously can score the ball & win in a hostile environment.

Additionally, both Tufts & Scranton have had numerous games they've won scoring in the 70's & 80's all season so I don't think both teams both forgot how to shoot on the same night.

Just one of those games where defense set the tone early then that set off a cascade of other events that brought us to the multiple games within the game that played out before us.

As Al McGuire would say, I'll take an ugly win over a pretty loss any day....especially when that ugly win gets you to a Final Four!





Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 10, 2019, 11:11:13 AM

Upon Further Review.....

The more I look at last nights game, the more it looks like Scranton took a page out of the Amherst playbook on playing Tufts.

In their two games against Amherst, the Jumbo's lost 50-40 (pretty close to last nights final) and won, 47-46 (also pretty darn close).

Amherst will continually make the extra pass in order to have a link in the defensive chain break down which is what the Royals also do.

In addition, they both use the full shot clock on numerous possessions which also slows the game down but will run when the opportunity presents itself.

However, playing that deliberate style on offensive coupled with a very serious defense also seems to have benefits in another area which played out last night.

Back on Feb. 23rd. in the game Tufts won 47-46, they also went 4 minutes without scoring to open the fourth quarter & only scored 2 points in the first 6 plus minutes of the 4th. & they were at the foul line.

So last nights offensive malfunction by Tufts was not unchartered territory for them as pretty much the same thing happened against Amherst in a very similar game plan.

Although Tufts won that game on a last second field goal, not scoring for periods of 6 & 8 minutes will eventually catch up to you.

Could just be coincidence between the Royal & Mammoth game plans but it sure seems Tufts has been much more comfortable in free flowing games and appears to have been taken a little out of their comfort zone with slow, methodical & physical games....which is exactly what last nights was.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 10, 2019, 05:54:20 PM
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Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 11, 2019, 05:05:24 AM
Saratoga: u headed down to Salem?I think they forgot to turn camera off after the game(if you watch the video it was on way after the gym cleaned out lol) Favorite word from the broadcast (WOW) that was just to funny.But again congratulation to all the Lady Royals and coaching staff and we will be there rooting you on go Royals(Lady).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 11, 2019, 09:25:04 AM
Congratulations to the Lady Royals from this CNU fan...a disappointing outcome for me, but a great game...good luck in Salem!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 11, 2019, 02:44:56 PM
 Lady Royals 4-0 vs sweet 16 teams this season, 2-0 vs elite 8, all at home. Next, neutral court vs #1 in the country, Thomas More. I judge the team is up to the challenge.
The last time the Lady Royals were in a Final 4 in VA(2005), they lost to Randolph-Macon in which the X factor was a 2nd semester D1 transfer(sister of the current R-M men's coach)coming off the bench and scoring double figures. Will there be an X factor Friday?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 11, 2019, 08:28:40 PM

The irony of reading certain takes that the Scranton/Tufts game was an abomination to women's basketball or both teams don't know how to shoot or score can be summed up by reading the write-up of the 2017 National Championship game.

But before you do & before you sell Tufts & Scranton as imitations of the real deal, consider Tufts went out & won arguably the best conference in America, the NESCAC. They didn't do ok, they didn't do pretty good...they won the title and the won it on Bowdoin's home court.

You talk about the great teams of Amherst & Bowdoin...they took care of both.

Scranton, what can you say?

They just keep on winning.

Lose an All-American for 15/16 games, no problem. The margin of victory may not be huge but a win is a win.

New coach & 4 straight conference titles & 4 deep runs into the tournament.

And, when all was said & done on Saturday, it was the Lady Royals taking down the NESCAC champs.

The kids on both these teams are coached well & all they do is find a way to win.

Which brings me back to people saying there is something horrific with a low scoring game.

The D3 National Championship game just 2 years ago featured Amherst & you guessed it...Tufts.

The final score in this championship contest?

Amherst 52/Tufts 29.

The Jumbo's only shot 3 of 19 in the first half yet the story line was not that neither of these schools know how to shoot or score or play the game.

No, the story line for this game was "Amherst's stifling defense".

Sorry, when you win 28 games & the NESCAC championship, you know how to play the game.

And, when you win 4 straight conference titles, 29 games & counting and produce the last 2 Middle Atlantic Region Player's of the Year, you too know how to play the game.

Let's give these kids credit for the tough game it was and beyond some missed shots, maybe, just maybe, it was nothing more than "stifling defense".
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 11, 2019, 08:31:42 PM
So how does David slay Goliath on Friday evening ?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 11, 2019, 08:45:47 PM

Hire Tanya Harding.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 11, 2019, 08:49:05 PM

I all seriousness, I guess Thomas Moore is simply going to have to find a way to slow down Bridget.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 11, 2019, 10:42:52 PM
Agreed 100% Toga,I was so surprised how some of the announcers referred to these young ladies as girls (I for one thought the house was coming down )Lol.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 13, 2019, 02:49:25 AM
Nepafan,Ronk you guys headed to Salem,Va? My uncle hasnt missed a final four yet( men or women)  I have seen 7 women ,one mens that is loyal fans and had no kids that played on the team!!!!Hopefully my son will!!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 13, 2019, 08:45:50 AM
 Yes, I'm planning on going; been to 2, the first men's and the other women's that was in VA(2005).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: amh63 on March 13, 2019, 10:20:54 AM
ronk....if Amherst had won it's sectional, I would have joined you in Salem.  Alas, will await another season....next year when the three Amherst starters are seniors....maybe....all of your " recruit list" players :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 13, 2019, 02:43:01 PM
Amh63,
  Of the NESCAC teams in the tourney, the Amherst women did have the toughest road to the Final 4. They will have help from a 4th(incoming frosh from northern VA). Next year, I'm hoping to have to choose between the men's and women's Final 4 for Scranton.  ;) 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 13, 2019, 03:02:24 PM
 The Lady Royals may have some championship help this weekend in Salem from 2 starters on the men's 1976 national champions. Phil Johnson has been at the regional and sectional games the past 2 weekends. Jack Maher, probably the Final 4 MVP, is a dept head in the business school of nearby VA Tech.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 13, 2019, 07:37:46 PM
I won't be in attendance but will be paying close attention. Is there a third place game?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 13, 2019, 08:06:03 PM
Not any more, but there is an all-star game that Bridgette was selected for if the team isn't in the championship game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 14, 2019, 02:31:15 AM
Definetly want to check out the locals any idea where to get some good grub and a nice cocktail from the locals in Salem,Va ?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 14, 2019, 09:22:20 AM
 The "locals" will be in Fort Wayne now; suggest u ask them on the men's 2019 NCAA msg board.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on March 14, 2019, 11:43:00 AM
I was in the Roanoke area a couple years ago and ate at a place called Mac & Bob's: https://www.macandbobs.com/

It's a pretty good bar and grill.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 14, 2019, 02:46:13 PM
That's a favorite of the men's basketball crowd, yes.

It's the first place that came to mind for me, too.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 14, 2019, 06:38:25 PM
Thanks ,will have yo try it!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 14, 2019, 08:09:30 PM
so whats the line for tomorrow night? Do the ladies have a punchers chance?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 14, 2019, 08:47:30 PM
 Yes, at least a jabber's chance; playing good defense is more reliable than good offense. Whether they can do it against the POY might be another story. I think we're at least as good as Trine and Wash U, the former leading TM at halftime and the latter after 3 quarters. Of course, they both lost by double figures.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 15, 2019, 09:19:03 PM

What a fantastic run by the Lady Royals.

Congratulations to Trevor & his staff & all the ladies that made this magical season happen.

All the best to Bridget, our only Senior, in medical school.

What a great nucleus coming back & add in some additional quality freshman & let's make this experience happen again.

Such a pleasure getting to meet many of the parents of such great kids.

Nothing to feel bad about, just use this game as a building block & confidence booster for next year.

Great job everyone!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on March 15, 2019, 11:12:29 PM
Quote from: saratoga on March 15, 2019, 09:19:03 PM

What a fantastic run by the Lady Royals.

Congratulations to Trevor & his staff & all the ladies that made this magical season happen.

All the best to Bridget, our only Senior, in medical school.

What a great nucleus coming back & add in some additional quality freshman & let's make this experience happen again.

Such a pleasure getting to meet many of the parents of such great kids.

Nothing to feel bad about, just use this game as a building block & confidence booster for next year.

Great job everyone!

I think she's going to Temple's Dental School
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 15, 2019, 11:34:38 PM
TM was solid throughout the lineup; 5 steals/lay ups too much to overcome in addition to the shot clock violations.
Talked with Madison Temple's dad afterwards. Said to him that Bowdoin's Choate is a very good defender;I'd have her harassing Madison.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 16, 2019, 03:06:47 AM
My thought on the game was Scranton did a hell of a job on All American Madison Temple to 20 pts and 45% of them points came from the line late.Two things that Hurt  us Schultz and that Techincal foul on Coach that was a 7 point turnaround(that hurt)middle of the fourth. Great atmosphere, truly Salem you guys did a hell of a job with this final four.Scranton is very young and Coach probably has some studs coming in!So thank you Lady Royals for this outstanding run and to the two Seniors you young ladies will truly be missed.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 16, 2019, 10:07:32 AM
Thought we had a chance in the late 3rd quarter. Oh well. Great season and way to represent the Scranton community.

Would be curious how the pre game party was and the overall atmosphere for the weekend was.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on March 16, 2019, 11:39:11 AM
It was a valiant effort last night by the Lady Royals, but they ran into a buzzsaw.  Their size and defensive pressure was just too much.  While Temple didn't score much in the first 3 quarters -- thanks in no small part to Sheehan -- she made her presence known in other ways and the Saints showed that they have plenty of other players who can be just as dangerous.   And just like Temple did to Wash U, she took over in the 4th.

No shame in that loss.  Congratulations on a fantastic season, best of luck to Bridgette as she graduates, and I look forward to a strong core coming back for another strong season next year!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 16, 2019, 03:21:42 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 16, 2019, 10:07:32 AM
Thought we had a chance in the late 3rd quarter. Oh well. Great season and way to represent the Scranton community.

Would be curious how the pre game party was and the overall atmosphere for the weekend was.

Thanks.

Pre game was great; probably 40 in attendance; positive remarks from Dave Martin about the final 4 experience for the team so far; they're going to repeat it today.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 17, 2019, 09:18:55 PM
 While awaiting the start of the championship game, the refs from Scranton's semifinal game came up the aisle to find a seat; as the ref who T'd up Trevor came by, I smiled and gave her the T sign; she saw my Scranton shirt and laughed with me in response.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 19, 2019, 01:34:41 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 13, 2019, 08:06:03 PM
Not any more, but there is an all-star game that Bridgette was selected for if the team isn't in the championship game.

To clear this up just in case ...

Bridgette would have played in the game had Scranton not made the weekend. The WBCA (following the NABC model) needs to have the players selected prior to the weekend. The NABC used to reserve a couple of spots for the semifinal losing teams ... but that eventually fell apart and made it too complicated.

Now, what the WBCA did differently than the men ever have is they announced their entire team the week before and then substituted those in the semifinals with other players. I thought this was a novel idea that could work out nicely, but in the end I think it got a bit complicated as well. Nice to honor players being "chosen," but both WBCA and NABC had to take players who were in the "final vote" and were not selected ... and put them on the team anyway.

I am sure both will re-evaluate how they do this moving forward.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 09, 2019, 06:52:08 PM

I was recently reading an article about the very real problem of women's college transfers & other issues going on in today's game.

In reading that article, it referenced the following publication by Trish Kellogg, the wife of a D-I Head Coach.

Although this opinion is nearly three years old, I think Trish is spot on.

Enjoy the read.

http://thesportdigest.com/2016/04/basketball-is-life-coachs-wife-annoyed-with-womens-basketball-culture/
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on April 09, 2019, 10:07:35 PM
Great article!!?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on April 12, 2019, 06:46:49 PM
Congratulations to Makenzie Mason on earning the National Jesuit Women's Basketball Player of the Year. The Men's award went some unknown player named Markus Howard. 😁

https://athletics.scranton.edu/sports/wbkb/2018-19/releases/20190412dulsle
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 13, 2019, 08:53:29 AM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on April 12, 2019, 06:46:49 PM
Congratulations to Makenzie Mason on earning the National Jesuit Women's Basketball Player of the Year. The Men's award went some unknown player named Markus Howard. 😁

https://athletics.scranton.edu/sports/wbkb/2018-19/releases/20190412dulsle

So Markus Howard must be a bit-time D1 player?  I'm assuming by the smiley face we're supposed to know him, but I've never heard that name in my life.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 13, 2019, 12:03:34 PM
 Markus was probably the most renowned player in the Big East this season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on April 13, 2019, 04:29:38 PM
Quote from: ronk on April 13, 2019, 12:03:34 PM
Markus was probably the most renowned player in the Big East this season.

Howard is indeed an excellent player.  He averaged 25 points/game for 23-8 Marquette (including dropping 53 against Creighton in January -- a Big East record), earning Big East POY and consensus 2nd Team DI All-American.  He often singlehandedly won games for Marquette this year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 13, 2019, 08:23:39 PM

Ryan:

You need to step out of that D-3 bubble every now & then.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 14, 2019, 12:03:01 AM
Quote from: saratoga on April 13, 2019, 08:23:39 PM

Ryan:

You need to step out of that D-3 bubble every now & then.  ;)

Ain't none of us here got time for that.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 14, 2019, 11:31:56 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 14, 2019, 12:03:01 AM
Quote from: saratoga on April 13, 2019, 08:23:39 PM

Ryan:

You need to step out of that D-3 bubble every now & then.  ;)

Ain't none of us here got time for that.

Literally.  There isn't any time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 17, 2019, 11:34:49 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 14, 2019, 11:31:56 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 14, 2019, 12:03:01 AM
Quote from: saratoga on April 13, 2019, 08:23:39 PM

Ryan:

You need to step out of that D-3 bubble every now & then.  ;)

Ain't none of us here got time for that.

Literally.  There isn't any time.

So ... damn ... true. And I even work at at least one D1 institution! I can't even keep up with them!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on April 18, 2019, 12:32:15 AM
Thing about it Howard is coming back!But the hauser twins from Steven's point will not return to Marquette.My guess is  they will be headed to Wisconsin.Question Bo ryan is he still helping out or is he completely done?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 20, 2019, 03:37:59 PM
 D3hoops coaching changes lists Sheila(Cook) Mahony out as Alvernia HC after 4 seasons. Sheila was the 2nd Lady Royals' fulltime assistant(after Steph Witko) and served a year with Mike Strong, then Deanna Klingman.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 25, 2019, 06:15:15 PM

Well, I guess when you win 17 games in 4 years, losing your job is a given.

Conversely, when you win well over 100 games in that same amount of time, take your 4 teams to 2 Sweet 16's, an Elite 8 & a Final Four, having DI schools wanting you as their head coach is also a given.

That very thing happened this afternoon when Scranton Coach Trevor Woodruff resigned to take the head job at Bucknell.

I am both elated for Trevor & his family & disappointed with the Lady Royal's loss of one fantastic coach.

Here's to hoping AD Dave Martin can work his magic yet again.

Thank you Trevor & all the very best in Lewisburg!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on April 25, 2019, 06:26:40 PM
Well said Saratoga!!!Congrats and I'm sure The AD will find a perfect fit!!!Best of luck Coach at Bucknell.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 25, 2019, 07:04:11 PM
Quote from: saratoga on April 25, 2019, 06:15:15 PM

Well, I guess when you win 17 games in 4 years, losing your job is a given.

Conversely, when you win well over 100 games in that same amount of time, take your 4 teams to 2 Sweet 16's, an Elite 8 & a Final Four, having DI schools wanting you as their head coach is also a given.

That very thing happened this afternoon when Scranton Coach Trevor Woodruff resigned to take the head job at Bucknell.

I am both elated for Trevor & his family & disappointed with the Lady Royal's loss of one fantastic coach.

Here's to hoping AD Dave Martin can work his magic yet again.

Thank you Trevor & all the very best in Lewisburg!

That probably explains Trevor's non-response to my email 2 days ago about the upcoming live viewing AAU tourney this weekend; he's been responsive in the past to such communication.
  The good news for Trevor is that he'll have more of my prospects at Bucknell than at Scranton.  ;)
I expect to see him this weekend at the tourney, but, if not, thanks for the wonderful 4 years and best wishes @ Bucknell.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 25, 2019, 07:22:21 PM

With all due respect Ronk, at a DI school with the resources of Bucknell, his recruiting base just became national with alumni birddogs around every corner.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 25, 2019, 07:31:35 PM
 Yes, but even so, there's probably been 10 of mine in the last 5 years that have been on Bucknell's team.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 25, 2019, 07:48:00 PM

I think the coaches in the Landmark just all let out a huge collective sigh of relief.

Most are probably already in Scranton helping him pack.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 25, 2019, 07:49:14 PM
Quote from: saratoga on April 25, 2019, 07:48:00 PM

I think the coaches in the Landmark just all let out a huge collective sigh of relief.

Most are probably already in Scranton helping him pack.  ;)

...or interviewing for his job?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 25, 2019, 07:51:35 PM
Is there a quote from Trevor anywhere yet? ScrantonTimes has a paywall. Did i mention i hate that?

Nevermind suprised to find the story on the athletics website already.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 25, 2019, 07:54:47 PM

NEPA:

UofS website.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 25, 2019, 07:58:31 PM

Ryan:

Good point.  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 25, 2019, 08:10:24 PM

Wonder if the CNU coach applied?

I'm pretty sure he used to be an assistant at Bucknell.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on April 25, 2019, 09:45:04 PM
Congratulations and best wishes to Coach Woodruff at Bucknell.  He has left some very big shoes to fill!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 26, 2019, 08:39:20 AM

Well, let's let the new coach guessing games begin.

I think Dave will want to move quickly on this hire so the new coach can hopefully meet with the returning players before they break for the summer & to re-connect with Trevor's recruits to ensure them they are still very much wanted and be willing to meet with them & their parents.

This is by no means a "starter" position so whomever the choice is, I'm sure they will be coming in with a track record of success.

The position is also not for everyone.

There will be a ton of pressure (real or imagined) to hit the ground running with wins & to be willing to establish their own identity within a hugely successful program both on and off the court.

All the best to Dave & his selection committee and one more huge Thank You to Trevor for all he did for the Lady Royal program the past four years.

Class & Excellence...may the tradition continue!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 26, 2019, 08:48:51 AM
Carl Danzig, Ryan Van Zelst?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 26, 2019, 09:41:55 AM

Thanks for that idea.

I'll get back to you.

Just don't wait by your phone.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 27, 2019, 11:23:53 AM

Here's one update on Trevor moving from Scranton to Bucknell.

https://www.citizensvoice.com/sports/woodruff-leaving-lady-royals-for-bucknell-1.2475047

And, another......

http://www.patriotleague.org/news/2019/4/26/trevor-woodruff-named-bucknell-head-womens-basketball-coach.aspx

Just my opinion...

Bucknell will rule the Patriot League as long as Trevor stays there.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 27, 2019, 11:36:20 AM


One more...

https://www.dailyitem.com/sports/scranton-s-woodruff-hired-to-coach-bucknell-women/article_258f4a9c-67a8-11e9-83f1-b711b5367ac4.html

All the best Trevor & Thank You!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 28, 2019, 09:00:32 AM

The Lady Royal opening is posted.

Closing date to apply is May 10th.

Interviews over the next 2 weeks.

New coach announced by June 1st.

Winning the first 30 games in your first year is not a requirement, but is preferred.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 28, 2019, 09:56:09 AM
 Anybody here on the interview committee?  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 28, 2019, 12:39:32 PM
Quote from: ronk on April 28, 2019, 09:56:09 AM
Anybody here on the interview committee?  ;D

Figured you would be, with how close you are to the program.  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on April 30, 2019, 08:44:03 PM
Question?- Is Trevor the fastest d3 coach to go from D3 to D1(Women)?Very impressed with his results for 4 years 113-10 or something like that.He made that transition from Men to Women look very easy.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 30, 2019, 09:48:58 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on April 30, 2019, 08:44:03 PM
Question?- Is Trevor the fastest d3 coach to go from D3 to D1(Women)?Very impressed with his results for 4 years 113-10 or something like that.He made that transition from Men to Women look very easy.

If only talking women ... that could be interesting, but I am not sure Trevor's years as a men's coach should be ignored in this equation. It isn't like he didn't have some experience coming in to the women's job. It wasn't his first gig.

But worth researching ...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on May 01, 2019, 12:06:54 AM
Trevor's not even the fastest this month. :)

Lauren Sumski went from Rhodes to D1 Lipscomb in two years.

https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/04/sumski-goes-d-1
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 04, 2019, 08:12:49 PM


Congrats to the U of S women's softball team winning today's Landmark Championship.

Too bad Moravian (host site) took their video equipment & went home after the Royals eliminated the Greyhounds.

Scranton then had to defeat Susquehanna twice after the
Moravian game.

Has to be tough to win 3 straight on the road with your next loss eliminating you.

Well done ladies.

Let's play 3!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 04, 2019, 09:09:35 PM
Quote from: saratoga on May 04, 2019, 08:12:49 PM


Congrats to the U of S women's softball team winning today's Landmark Championship.

Too bad Moravian (host site) took their video equipment & went home after the Royals eliminated the Greyhounds.

Scranton then had to defeat Susquehanna twice after the
Moravian game.

Has to be tough to win 3 straight on the road with your next loss eliminating you.

Well done ladies.

Let's play 3!

Should be a strong reprimand from the commissioner or disqualify from future hosting.

Turned on WLAX final 4 the second half with Scranton leading 7-6; Catholic scored 6 straight then and won the AQ 15-9.
Scranton hoping 4 at-large berth tomorrow night.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 04, 2019, 09:14:04 PM


Ronk:

Agree 100%.

If you are going to host, then do it right....for all the teams.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on May 06, 2019, 10:56:42 PM
 Congrats to the Lady Royals Softball team and coaches great job and Good Luck at Virginia Weselyan,  anything is possible bring it home ladies.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 09, 2019, 10:56:04 PM
 Here's a nice 10 minute interview of Trevor by Fox56 @ the Long Center in his final Scranton days:

https://fox56.com/news/local/new-bucknell-womens-basketball-coach
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 10, 2019, 07:27:07 AM

Great find Ronk, thanks.

And, thanks again Trevor.

It's been a magical 4 years.

All the best at Bucknell!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on May 11, 2019, 11:04:47 AM
Darn.  I missed the application deadline.  Looks like the Lady Royals will have to make do without me.  ;D

Quote from: saratoga on April 28, 2019, 09:00:32 AM

The Lady Royal opening is posted.

Closing date to apply is May 10th.

Interviews over the next 2 weeks.

New coach announced by June 1st.

Winning the first 30 games in your first year is not a requirement, but is preferred.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 11, 2019, 07:02:02 PM

That's ok.

Once the new coach is announced, there may still be a chance as an Assistant Coach.  ;)

Good luck!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on May 12, 2019, 06:43:01 PM
I could barely coach 7th graders, let alone college athletes!  ;)

Quote from: saratoga on May 11, 2019, 07:02:02 PM

That's ok.

Once the new coach is announced, there may still be a chance as an Assistant Coach.  ;)

Good luck!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 12, 2019, 06:51:35 PM
Ok, is the stakeout of the AD's office set up this week to c who's made it to the interview level for the HC position?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 13, 2019, 08:59:20 PM
Quote from: ronk on May 04, 2019, 09:09:35 PM
Quote from: saratoga on May 04, 2019, 08:12:49 PM


Congrats to the U of S women's softball team winning today's Landmark Championship.

Too bad Moravian (host site) took their video equipment & went home after the Royals eliminated the Greyhounds.

Scranton then had to defeat Susquehanna twice after the
Moravian game.

Has to be tough to win 3 straight on the road with your next loss eliminating you.

Well done ladies.

Let's play 3!

Should be a strong reprimand from the commissioner or disqualify from future hosting.

Turned on WLAX final 4 the second half with Scranton leading 7-6; Catholic scored 6 straight then and won the AQ 15-9.
Scranton hoping 4 at-large berth tomorrow night.

For those who were complaining about this ... I am told by those who would know ... Moravian streamed each and every game of the tournament even after they lost.

There were links posted which I have seen. The games are also still available, best I can tell, on the archives.

Moravian did NOT pack up and go home after they lost.

To make it easier, I share this sent to me:

Quote
For those complaining about (Moravian) taking the video streaming equipment down after Moravian College was knocked out of the Landmark Conference Softball Tournament, please note the following.

1. Both the games in the championship round were broadcast live. There were 259 live views for game #6 of the tournament and 229 for game  #7. There have also been over 170 on-demand views of the games after the broadcasts were archived. The entire tournament viewership is over 2,200 people and still climbing with people watching the on-demand files, which will be accessible.
2. The links for all of the games were available on Moravian's Stretch Internet Portal - https://portal.stretchinternet.com/moravian/. They were also available at https://www.moraviansports.com/sports/sball/2018-19/Landmark/index.
3. If you are so inclined, the archive links are https://portal.stretchinternet.com/moravian/portal.htm?eventId=529134&streamType=video for games 6 & 7 in one video and https://portal.stretchinternet.com/moravian/portal.htm?eventId=529135&streamType=video for the end of Game 6 and all of game 7 based on how Stretch Internet saved the broadcasts in the system.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 17, 2019, 12:21:41 AM
 Taylor Coleman, Lady Royals' assistant coach, will be rejoining Trevor @ Bucknell.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 17, 2019, 03:19:38 PM

Glad to hear that you have heard from those in the know that the games were available.

Unfortunately, even though I've watched hundreds of games in every sport in every conference, I can assure you, whatever they did to broadcast the games flew by me & if I missed them, I'm pretty sure many others did as well.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on May 17, 2019, 10:18:06 PM
It makes you wonder if Taylor applied for the job?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on May 17, 2019, 10:23:32 PM
Canio last man standing.From what i heard he told them that he was retiring after season ends .But when you have been around the game like him you will miss the game.So who knows he has given alot to the University.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on May 17, 2019, 10:54:49 PM
So another coach in the landmark is gone Jim Reed susquehanna!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 18, 2019, 12:04:20 AM
Surprising! Saw Jim Reed at a big AAU tourney a month ago, so I'm guessing that leaving was not his idea. Usually, I speak with Jim when I see him at the same events; just didn't speak with him this time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 18, 2019, 12:12:30 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on May 17, 2019, 10:23:32 PM
Canio last man standing.From what i heard he told them that he was retiring after season ends .But when you have been around the game like him you will miss the game.So who knows he has given alot to the University.

Maybe, last man sitting.  ::) I go back with Canio to the mid-'60s when we played ball on the outdoor courts @ Scranton Prep. There should be a spot somewhere in the NEPA basketball world for Canio.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on May 18, 2019, 12:25:53 AM
 Awesome Ronk: What do you think of Jim Reed stepping down from Susguehanna last day of work May 27.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 18, 2019, 12:36:52 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on May 18, 2019, 12:25:53 AM
Awesome Ronk: What do you think of Jim Reed stepping down from Susguehanna last day of work May 27.

C my post a half-hour earlier.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on May 18, 2019, 03:13:57 AM
So was it a force out or did he apply for the job at Scranton?  It says last day may 27 and if it was a force out why wait until this late in the season.He has been there 14 seasons.Maybe Trevor has taken him on.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 18, 2019, 11:53:19 AM
Although it's not a typical time of year to make a change, there could be many reasons why a coach leaves suddenly. Certainly the possibility of another job -- coaching or otherwise -- is always there, but it could be for health reasons or something else similarly sudden (and sad).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 18, 2019, 01:57:11 PM

Correct... could be any number of reasons as you've stated.

Regarding applying for the opening at Scranton...not too many quit their day jobs just because they've applied somewhere else.

You leave after the job is offered.

Being a Bucknell grad, maybe Trevor has offered him an Asst. position with the Bison as well.

By the way, class move by Trevor bringing his Asst. at Scranton with him to Bucknell.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 18, 2019, 03:27:33 PM
 I could understand Trevor offering an assistant position to Jim Reed; but, I'd rather be the HC @ Susquehanna and in charge of my own program than an assistant @ Bucknell.
  Susquehanna has nearly all its firepower back next season but with improved strength in the Landmark top-to-bottom(Juniata getting its best player back after missing the past season, Drew and Goucher with recruiting classes for relatively-new coaches), they would struggle to finish higher than 6th.
  Susquehanna does currently have an assistant that I've been impressed with since his days as HC of Lebanon Valley, Todd Goclowski. He'd be a good replacement for Jim.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on May 18, 2019, 07:14:09 PM
I have to ask this-If the job search for the Scranton job was closed on the 10th,why is the add posted just 2 days ago?I thought once it was closed they do their interviews and pick the Head Coach and take ad down!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 18, 2019, 07:46:36 PM

The fact that a posting doesn't physically come off the board on the exact day of the closing is not unusual.

What potential candidates need to pay attention to is the closing date to apply.

If it says the 10th., then your cover letter & resume better be in by then.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on May 18, 2019, 09:33:46 PM
Thanks for the great info Saratoga!That is why I asked if anyone had and idea I knew it was you.You know the process thanks again.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 19, 2019, 04:34:05 PM
Lets aim higher.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on May 20, 2019, 11:50:13 AM
Goclowski would be a really good hire for Susquehanna.

He did a great job at LVC and the program has not been the same without him.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on May 20, 2019, 04:38:18 PM
 Heard he will be next coach at Susquehanna.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 20, 2019, 07:43:05 PM

Rofrog:

Just let us know when you see the white smoke emanating from the Long Center.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on May 20, 2019, 07:56:04 PM
 lmao
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 20, 2019, 10:36:11 PM
Quote from: saratoga on May 20, 2019, 07:43:05 PM

Rofrog:

Just let us know when you see the white smoke emanating from the Long Center.

The only smoke so far is from Canio burning his notes of the special defense I had suggested for Thomas More's Temple and Saner in the Final 4 semifinal.   ::)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 21, 2019, 12:20:11 AM
Quote from: ronk on May 20, 2019, 10:36:11 PM
Quote from: saratoga on May 20, 2019, 07:43:05 PM

Rofrog:

Just let us know when you see the white smoke emanating from the Long Center.

The only smoke so far is from Canio burning his notes of the special defense I had suggested for Thomas More's Temple and Saner in the Final 4 semifinal.   ::)

Maybe it is time to just enjoy the games, ronk. Sit back and relax. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on May 30, 2019, 12:10:01 PM
NO SMOKE YET FROM THE LONG CENTER!!!But on other news it is so great to see all these D1 schools picking up these great coaches.Wish them all the best.Surprised Gromacki is still in D3.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 31, 2019, 07:58:40 PM

It really is great to see our coaches getting rewarded for the excellence they continued to bring to their programs at Scranton & Tufts.

Wonder if Trevor has already called Carla to begin scheduling Princeton?

Wouldn't seem like a complete season without the two of them facing off.  ;)

Well, tomorrow is the first...has the decision been made???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on June 03, 2019, 05:51:13 PM
Since it is past the first of June. I say either Geno Auriemma or Tara Vanderveer will be the next Lady Royals coach.lol
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 03, 2019, 06:06:19 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on June 03, 2019, 05:51:13 PM
Since it is past the first of June. I say either Geno Auriemma or Tara Vanderveer will be the next Lady Royals coach.lol

We need a Pennsylvanian - either Geno or Muffet McGraw.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on June 03, 2019, 08:08:03 PM

I think they need to appoint the new coach pretty soon if for no other reason than to take over the women's twitter account.

The last entry was Trevor wishing everyone a Happy Easter.

It's probably a good time for some updating.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on June 05, 2019, 12:23:31 AM
We should have a Coach soon-I say Mike Strong comes out of Retirement.He did a great job at the All Star game at the Final 4.I just hope coach is picked soon and Recruits are not introduced at a party in October.Im so glad Coach Danzig gives his incoming players in the summer and not a month before the season starts . great job Coach Danzig .The Royals and Lady Royals will be both top 15 teams this year Ladies bring a ton back and so does Coach Danzing!!@@


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 05, 2019, 09:43:22 AM
Hey Ro :

I was just coming on to post, i am sure the decision has been made, it just isn't public yet.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on June 05, 2019, 11:00:51 AM
Well, Phil Martelli is now off the table.  He checked off the Pennsylvania, Jesuit and D3 playing boxes.  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 05, 2019, 04:14:38 PM
 Phil's son was on the Scranton bball team his frosh year then Xferred to Dickinson, presumably for lack of playing time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on June 05, 2019, 04:55:21 PM
Yes Phil is at Michigan with Juwan Howard great pickup for such a young Coach!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on June 05, 2019, 05:33:40 PM
I worked in admissions at the U when Jimmy Martelli was being recruited there.  There was a Jesuit High School basketball tournament in the Long Center where I got to see him and Roy Hibbert, among others, play.  Got to see several DI coaches, including Phil, in the crowd.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals81 on June 05, 2019, 07:15:38 PM
Thought I saw white smoke in the distance. 
Turned out to be just a smoldering culm bank off Interstate 81 between Wilkes-Barre and Scranton. ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on June 05, 2019, 07:45:04 PM
And I thought all of the smoke would be coming from Centralia  ;D

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centralia%2C_Pennsylvania
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 05, 2019, 08:05:51 PM
 I think they're waiting for papal intervention - Pope Francis(the Jesuit) choosing infallibly(ex cathedra); it's going to take that to  succeed Mike Strong and Trevor Woodruff.   ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on June 06, 2019, 01:25:33 AM
Lol
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on June 06, 2019, 01:36:14 AM
Truly how blessed we were to have Coach Strong as the coach of The Lady Royals that long and the greatness he brought to the program ).Yes (Sue Serafina,Deanna Klingman) Did a great job also then (Trevor Woodruff) Stepped in and picked up and did a great job for his time here.So we are on to our 7th coach in school history.So whoever it is they have a very big show to fill( Wish them the best)especially with the team coming back.Like I said Strong left Trevor with a great team and Trevor left this coach with a great team.So to the next coach the sky is the limit you stepped in to onehell of a program and best of luck.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 06, 2019, 02:32:19 PM
It is funny to see all the Scranton fans restless for a hire ... we are in the infant stages of the process compared to the process it took to get Trevor hired. You guys ultimately seemed to think that was just fine. Relax LOL
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 06, 2019, 02:59:08 PM
 We were led to believe from the job posting that the coach would be named by the end of May.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 06, 2019, 03:13:32 PM
I thought you guys would know by now that you can't always take those kinds of things at face value! haha

I am sure the administration is working hard at it ... but I couldn't not tell you how many plans to "hire a coach," "complete an investigation," or "make a decision" have not hit a timeline in this world. :)

I mean ... they could close the search and try again in August, I guess. Too soon? ;)

Again, relax everyone.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 06, 2019, 05:01:19 PM
You trying to drive down site traffic?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 06, 2019, 09:08:59 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on June 06, 2019, 05:01:19 PM
You trying to drive down site traffic?

Not sure how you think that ... you guys are coming here no matter what. If it isn't coach search convo it's recruiting discussions. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on June 06, 2019, 09:54:45 PM
Dave it is part of the subject of Basketball!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on June 06, 2019, 10:02:13 PM
From what I heard if you wait until August that doesnt give the other school alot of time to do a search for a Coach.So when you say by June 1st your expecting June 1st.When you have 200 applications and your down to top 4 candidates in a month that in itself is fast.So yes it is a discussion board and that is exactly what we are doing in a positive way!!!😁😁😁
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 07, 2019, 01:19:23 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on June 06, 2019, 10:02:13 PM
From what I heard if you wait until August that doesnt give the other school alot of time to do a search for a Coach.So when you say by June 1st your expecting June 1st.When you have 200 applications and your down to top 4 candidates in a month that in itself is fast.So yes it is a discussion board and that is exactly what we are doing in a positive way!!!😁😁😁

The August comment was a joke about the last time Scranton went through this Trevor ended up being hired in late August (early September) ... just a joke. Nothing more.

And I'me having fun with you guys ... you all are so wrapped up in a decision that I am sure will be pretty solid. Remember, those doing the hiring hired Woodruff.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on June 07, 2019, 03:03:09 AM
Agreed about the people behind the hiring (very much).Dont forget that was a double whammy with hiring an AD first then a coach and Dave(AD) did a great job and his team did a great job(Trevor) and I'm sure they will do it again!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on June 12, 2019, 10:09:28 AM
Thoughts?

https://athletics.scranton.edu/sports/wbkb/2018-19/releases/20190611lvwoqz
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on June 12, 2019, 10:29:39 AM
Welcome Coach Dipillo to Scranton!!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 12, 2019, 12:24:56 PM
Wow. Someone had the inside scoop and let me know first thing this morning. Glad he has the Jersey connection.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on June 12, 2019, 05:49:02 PM

When Dave appointed Trevor 4 years ago, I knew he hit a walk off grand slam with that hire.

This person is a complete unknown quantity with no recent familiar D3 background but he does have experience on the DI level & WNBA.

The question now becomes how does that experience translate to the D3 level?

Recruiting with dollars to give is very different from recruiting asking parents to drop 50k per year. That process is not for everyone.

How long will it take him to get to know the Scranton area high school coaches?

In the meantime, do the other local colleges make recruiting inroads they never had before?

Wish I had a better sense of this hire.

However, this isn't Dave's first rodeo so i think we can all feel safe that this choice has been thoroughly evaluated.

Time will certainly tell.

Welcome.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on June 13, 2019, 12:09:09 AM
Yes Dave knows what he is doing.But Saratoga have to disagree with you on the grand slam i mean he came into a team that had three all americans
in Payonk,Roman,and Mann not one he recruited so he was handed alot as a Coach.Just to say
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on June 13, 2019, 02:23:45 AM

My point with Trevor being a great hire was that a number of people I know knew him from his days at Miseri as head coach of the men & raved about his passion, ability to coach (X & O's) & his willingness to work his butt off.

Couple that with some nice pieces left from the previous staff & you had a true recipe for success.

As a senior on Trevor's first team told me this year right before the first round of NCAA tournament games...Trevor was the most prepared & organized coach she's ever had. She added she learned more about basketball in its truest form in one year under him than in all the coaching she had previously.

Trevor didn't have one great year with someone else's players & then did nothing, he sustained excellence over 4 straight years.
Don't forget, in his first season he took a team that couldn't win at home in the first round & led them to the Elite 8 minus a graduated All-American.
As for Alexix, she didn't even start her soph year & her minutes were all over the place. Her game was greatly improved once Trevor came in.


Those are the results that we all saw which only validated the feeling that his hire was going to be a great one.

The point is with nothing similar to compare (head coaching record) & not knowing anyone that actually knows him, it's hard to say how decent or good or great this hire is until he has the opportunity to get it going.

Until then, we wish him the best & hope for the best.

Conversely, everyone I knew that knew Trevor said great things will happen under his leadership...they were not wrong.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on June 13, 2019, 10:21:43 AM
Coach Woodruff was also native to that area and had deep roots there. I assume that was a big advantage in recruiting.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 13, 2019, 12:13:19 PM
anyone know what "number" assistant Dipillo was at SHU?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on June 13, 2019, 11:28:43 PM
Saratoga as for Roman starting she had Payonk and Mesaris in Front of her as Sophomore.Which wasnt bad.Trevor is a good coach that made the transition from being a good coach at Misericordia to being great coach at The U because of the program of the Lady Royals that was built by Coach Strong.So all I'm saying is everything was in place when he came(Trevor) to Scranton just like Coach Dipillo.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on June 14, 2019, 07:30:13 AM

When you say Trevor had 3 All-Americans waiting for him that's a little misleading.

He actually only had Sarah.

Alexix became one under his watch. Prior to Trevor arriving, she was a sub the previous year.

And Bridget was a wide eyed freshman Trevor's first year that was developed into an All-American under him.

The reality is the coach before Trevor had essentially the same team (minus Bridget) but with the All-American Meredith plus an All-Conference senior point & they not only couldn't win a single NCAA tournament game (Eastern Conn.) but they couldn't even win the Landmark (CUA).

The reality is, having talent is one thing, being able to blend those talents together and have the ability to coach kids up to an even higher level, make instant in-game changes & modify the game plan at halftime is a talent many coaches never master.

Trevor not only could bring talented kids together, he was excellent at game preparation, organization & adjustments.

I can assure you the team that couldn't win the Landmark or win a first round NCAA game the year before his arrival would have been a Final Four possibility under him.

Many coaches have things in place for them upon their arrival, very few are able to then accomplish what Trevor did. He took a very good program & made it outstanding.

The bar has been set extremely high, let's see what happens in the next chapter.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on June 15, 2019, 02:09:19 AM
Final statement why couldnt he do that at Misericordia then?He goes into Bucknell losing I think 5 seniors from that 24-5 team so I think  he lost 3 starters we will see how great he is.If he is what you say he is he should have no problem then.Back to Royals basketball .
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on June 15, 2019, 02:18:19 AM
One other thing you have to have is luck sometimes. If CNU makes them FT he is  sitting home again.So finally things fell in place last year ,which was exciting for the Lady Royals.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 15, 2019, 02:36:17 PM
Saratoga,
  Agree with your analysis of Trevor's coaching; would add the handling of the transition(players facing 3rd coach in 3 years, from 'your' team to 'our' team) - very important for the succeeding success of the 4 years. Hope the new coach can similarly make this transition.
   Don't know anything about him, separate from the news release; will try to meet him in July at big national AAU tourney @ National Harbor, MD, similar to meeting Trevor 4 years ago.
  May be interesting to speculate on his future fulltime assistant; Meredith Mesaris appears to be set up for Williams, already?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 17, 2019, 02:43:30 PM
Univ of Scranton tweet yesterday(Father's Day) appears to be Hannah Angelini and dad - 1 of Lady Royals' incoming frosh

https://twitter.com/univofscranton/status/1140258371347591174/photo/1
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on June 17, 2019, 07:55:31 PM

Ro:

At Bucknell, Trevor will lose 5 seniors, 3 of which started & another got significant minutes.
With that about to happen you expect him to show how great a coach he is?
Why don't you suggest he play with a roster of 6 players with each starting the game with 3 fouls on them?

Give him 2 full years of recruiting, then we'll talk.

As for, "If CNU makes them FT he is sitting home again".

What?

When did the Lady Royals ever "sit at home" under Trevor?

*Elite 8
*Sweet 16
*Sweet 16
*Final Four

I think you've got the men's team mixed up in that statement.

And, then there's "Finally, things fell into place last year".

Finally???

Again, Elite 8, Sweet 16, Sweet 16 & Final Four.

I think things were falling in place just fine with records of:

*30-1

*26-4

*28-2

*29-3

The guy can flat out coach & that's why he's been offered the head job at a great D-1 school after only 4 years of coaching women.

Think about this...six league losses in 4 years.

Scranton's loss is clearly Bucknell's gain.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on June 17, 2019, 09:53:05 PM
The same should be for this coach also give him a couple years!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on June 17, 2019, 11:08:12 PM
Today was Coach Dipillo first day!!!Welcome to Scranton Coach! and go get em.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 23, 2019, 09:14:15 PM
 6 1/2 weeks since Jim Reed stepped down @ Susquehanna; 3 1/2 since Carla Berube hired @ Princeton.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on June 29, 2019, 08:42:32 AM
Quote from: ronk on June 23, 2019, 09:14:15 PM
6 1/2 weeks since Jim Reed stepped down @ Susquehanna; 3 1/2 since Carla Berube hired @ Princeton.

Tufts has their coach now:  https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/06/tufts-pace-hire

Any insight out of Selinsgrove?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 29, 2019, 09:16:06 AM
 They've decided to back to their roots - Amos Alonzo Stagg coming back after an absence of 90 years.   ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on July 06, 2019, 11:39:43 AM

I'm hearing there is no UofS presence at the huge showcase this weekend at Spooky Nook in Manheim.

That's not good...hope that info is inaccurate.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on July 06, 2019, 12:04:52 PM
Quote from: saratoga on July 06, 2019, 11:39:43 AM

I'm hearing there is no UofS presence at the huge showcase this weekend at Spooky Nook in Manheim.

That's not good...hope that info is inaccurate.

I usually go to that one, even spending an overnighter in past years, but most of the good programs are going to Louisville and Chicago this weekend, instead, so I declined this year. There happens to be a tourney in King of Prussia this weekend, also, and they have more quality teams than @ Spooky Nook. Maybe, Nick is there. I can't tell which coaches are @ KOP, unlike Spooky Nook.
   It's been 2 weeks since the assistant coach position closed; hopefully, we hear soon; this is the prime evaluating period.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on July 06, 2019, 11:33:24 PM
Yes Ronk the hot spots are in Chicago,Indianapolis and Louisville.The coach was out recruiting his first week on the job.Assistant will be soon!!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on July 07, 2019, 02:30:18 AM
Man you guys are tough on this new coach!!!!Ronk how long did it take trevor to get a new assistant coach? Give the damn guy a chance.Im sure the hook is not the only summer league around I gave you the 3 main ones.First week in town he was out recruiting!!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on July 07, 2019, 10:56:21 AM
 Not tough at all - completely neutral statement that it's been 2 weeks since position closing. He can take as long as he deems necessary; more important that he make a good choice. July being the prime evaluation period of the year just raises the importance of having another set of evaluation eyes available, relative to the other considerations involved in choosing your fulltime assistant.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on July 08, 2019, 06:58:04 PM
I think all recruiting should happen at a Spooky Nook, just because the name is so good.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on July 08, 2019, 10:00:01 PM
So Trevor was hired August 23, He hired Megan Oct 27 so it was two months.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on July 09, 2019, 06:26:10 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on May 18, 2019, 03:13:57 AM
Maybe Trevor has taken him on.

Re. Jim Reed:  Rofrog, you called it!  https://bucknellbison.com/coaches.aspx?rc=782&path=wbball
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on July 09, 2019, 06:28:27 PM
And the Riverhawks have their woman!

https://suriverhawks.com/news/2019/7/9/holko-named-susquehanna-womens-basketball-coach.aspx
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on July 09, 2019, 07:33:33 PM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on July 09, 2019, 06:26:10 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on May 18, 2019, 03:13:57 AM
Maybe Trevor has taken him on.

Re. Jim Reed:  Rofrog, you called it!  https://bucknellbison.com/coaches.aspx?rc=782&path=wbball

Glad to hear it; should work out well for Bucknell WBB and Jim.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on July 10, 2019, 07:41:09 AM

Makes perfect sense regarding Jim Reed.

He's a Bucknell grad, lives in the area & previously was an assistant there...not to mention he first hired Taylor Coleman as an Asst. Coach before she joined the Scranton staff & now the Bison staff.

I think he knows he's taken the River Hawks about as far as he could & this is one last chance to be a part of a growing & very good D-1 program.

Poor Marywood.

Now working on their third coach in 3 years.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on July 10, 2019, 03:56:28 PM
 Lady Royals name new assistant:

https://athletics.scranton.edu/sports/wbkb/2018-19/releases/20190710ghvqve
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on July 10, 2019, 11:59:04 PM
Gordon that was funny!Congrats on Gabby Holko on being named coach at Susquehanna also.The greatness himself said on twitter (Landmark you better watch out with Holko being named Head Coach!!!)Okay we will wait and see.With Jim Reed I just saw it coming.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on July 11, 2019, 12:03:33 AM
Also congratulations to Kaitlyn Lewis on becoming an assistant for the UofS and wish you the best!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on July 11, 2019, 07:36:31 AM

Ro:

Who is "the greatness himself" you are referencing regarding the Susquehanna hire?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on July 11, 2019, 11:51:49 AM
Anyone see what they are doing with St Thomas Hall?It is going to be beautiful.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on July 12, 2019, 03:22:12 AM
Sorry Saratoga:I will send you the actual twitter post Tomorrow!Just smh
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on July 16, 2019, 12:22:21 PM
I was looking through the Lady Royals twitter feed and noticed that Katie Broderick was originally slated to become an assistant coach for the upcoming year.

https://twitter.com/ScrantonWBB/status/1117536108076851202

Does anyone know if that's off the table now?  I'm guessing it is...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on July 16, 2019, 12:45:54 PM
Don't know for sure, just speculating that it was a grad assistant position while Katie finished her academic program. Under that scenario, it makes even more sense for the new coach to continue that agreement considering Katie's familiarity with the players, program, opponents, conference, etc during the transition.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on July 23, 2019, 03:15:05 PM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on July 16, 2019, 12:22:21 PM
I was looking through the Lady Royals twitter feed and noticed that Katie Broderick was originally slated to become an assistant coach for the upcoming year.

https://twitter.com/ScrantonWBB/status/1117536108076851202

Does anyone know if that's off the table now?  I'm guessing it is...

I have it on good authority that Katie Broderick will be assisting the Lady Royals this season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on July 26, 2019, 09:33:43 AM
That would be great for the continuity of the program!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on July 29, 2019, 05:40:11 PM
Should be a great game in Vegas on December 28th and 30th- George fox 28th,St Vincent the 30th
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on July 29, 2019, 06:15:48 PM
 George Fox should be a test; was hoping for a match with Amherst in the other game, though.

Looks like Rosemont became the last of the nonconference/non tourney opponents after Marywood and DeSales. Got to schedule Philly-area schools for those on the current roster and future recruiting. Cabrini absent after many years. UP-Bradford or Gwynedd-Mercy will be the 2nd day opponent @ Gwynedd-Mercy.
Don't remember being informed who the teams are in the Poinsettia classic.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on July 29, 2019, 07:34:58 PM
Lady Royals open up at Gwynedd Mercy tipoff tourney first game is Ursinus not sure who else is in it beside Gwynedd Mercy,UofS and Ursinus to open up the seaon Nov.15th,16th
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on July 29, 2019, 09:22:36 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on July 29, 2019, 07:34:58 PM
Lady Royals open up at Gwynedd Mercy tipoff tourney first game is Ursinus not sure who else is in it beside Gwynedd Mercy,UofS and Ursinus to open up the seaon Nov.15th,16th

UP-Bradford
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on July 31, 2019, 09:02:46 AM
It looks like Elmira is one of the teams in the Poinsettia Classic.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on July 31, 2019, 12:26:10 PM
 With a  6-19 record last season, I hope Elmira isn't an opponent for SOS purposes.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on July 31, 2019, 02:05:17 PM
Hopefully there's a decent opponent in the other game of the classic...

But that being said, I think their OOC SOS isn't bad.  Yes, they are playing some teams because of location that won't likely help their SOS, but George Fox, DeSales, Rosemont, St. Vincent were tourney teams, and I wouldn't overlook Ursinus.  They were the 4th team in the Centennial conference with the top three making the tourney, and they did not graduate any impact players this year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on August 11, 2019, 07:09:47 PM
The other two teams in the tournament are Salisbury and Misericordia
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on August 13, 2019, 01:06:33 PM
Got former prospects on both Salisbury & Miseries, so we'll be playing 1 of them in the 2nd game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on September 08, 2019, 01:15:20 AM
Wow!!!Basketball season is about two months away.Lady Royals should be a contender in the Landmark again!!Another year another coach steps in just like Trevor did with great players to start off with.We lose one tremendous player in Mann.But we also have 4 great players plus a very strong bench coming back with Mason,Recupero,Warhiftig and of course the show stopper herself Emily coming back!Rodriguez,Gammo,Shurina,McCurdy(who I was very impressed with as a freshman last year)Then you have Hannah Kowalski which I think will step right in to fill Manns shoes which will be hard to fill but the lady is just a great ball player and many more contributed to this team and with the new recruits this team should be well fit in with the elite programs in the country.So I'm very excited and seeing the up tempo game and very stingy defense that Coach Nick Dipillo brings from a very outstanding coaching career  he has had and will have can not wait for Royals and Lady Royals basketball should be a great year for both .Nov cant come fast enough
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on September 20, 2019, 06:47:34 PM
Another shooting guard in the Lady Royals camp.

http://www.news12.com/clip/14793496/scholar-athlete-hannah-angelini-of-somers-high-school
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on September 21, 2019, 10:01:07 AM
DiPillo briefly talks about the incoming freshmen - not by name - starting at 2:30 in this interview. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-yc-cuMhFU&feature=youtu.be

I'm assuming the one from NJ is Monaghan and the one from NY is Angelini.  Not sure about the ones from PA he mentions.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 21, 2019, 11:28:47 AM
 Those are correct assumptions; the 3 from PA are a strong guard from the I-81 coal field region and 2 from the Philly area, a post player and a forward. Seemingly, they could be a good playing unit, just by themselves.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 04, 2019, 12:40:32 AM
 2nd commit to Lady Royals announces:

Allie Lynch  5-5  PG  Academy of Notre Dame(PA)

https://www.maxpreps.com/athlete/allie-lynch/Wx4u4-DnEeeT-Oz0u-e-FA/videos.htm?videoid=3caf9c9b-6744-4ff1-85b7-92018f51e2d9
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on October 04, 2019, 09:49:41 AM
Quote from: ronk on October 04, 2019, 12:40:32 AM
2nd commit to Lady Royals announces:

Allie Lynch  5-5  PG  Academy of Notre Dame(PA)

https://www.maxpreps.com/athlete/allie-lynch/Wx4u4-DnEeeT-Oz0u-e-FA/videos.htm?videoid=3caf9c9b-6744-4ff1-85b7-92018f51e2d9

Who was the first?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 04, 2019, 12:46:52 PM
 Leah Nolan  5-8  SG   Holmdel(NJ)

Saw Allie Lynch's AAU team play in April, but I don't remember her, in particular, then. Haven't seen Leah play in person,
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 11, 2019, 07:11:47 PM
 #3 for the Lady Royals:

Huge Congrats to 2020 6-0  F Jenna Larrabee  Westhill(NY)
@LarrabeeJenna
who will be continuing her academic & 🏀 pursuits at 2019 Final4 and preseason Top5
@ScrantonWBB
& playing for Coach
@NickDiPillo
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on October 15, 2019, 01:40:07 AM
I believe it was midnight madness tonight at the U.Probably awesome Good Luck both Men and Women this season looks good cant wait Nov.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 16, 2019, 11:26:52 AM
 Interview w Coach DiPillo yesterday:

http://www.nepabasketball.com/2018-19/articles/ScrantonWCoachDiPillo_copy
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on October 16, 2019, 02:37:49 PM
Quote from: ronk on October 11, 2019, 07:11:47 PM
#3 for the Lady Royals:

Huge Congrats to 2020 6-0  F Jenna Larrabee  Westhill(NY)
@LarrabeeJenna
who will be continuing her academic & 🏀 pursuits at 2019 Final4 and preseason Top5
@ScrantonWBB
& playing for Coach
@NickDiPillo

Up until last year for the men's team, I don't recall a commitment this early to Scranton, and now the men have one for next year and the women have three.  That's impressive to me!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 16, 2019, 03:37:53 PM
 To be accurate, these commits are being announced on social media(usually twitter) by the commits themselves, not Scranton's coaching staffs. Just a way things are evolving in recruiting these days. Otherwise, I wouldn't have mentioned them.
  There was such a very early commit last year for the men(Ryan Ems).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on October 16, 2019, 04:59:39 PM
True.  I know the coaches can't comment right now, so it's in the hands of the recruits (at any level).  I figured the twitterverse has something to do with it, but even so Twitter's been around for a while and these early commitments still seem a recent phenomenon...  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 17, 2019, 02:49:45 PM
Just to pile on, I just saw a reference on twitter that Scranton was looking at a 2021 kid on the men's side. It certainly has made things more interesting.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on October 17, 2019, 08:17:37 PM

The Lady Royal's roster is now posted.

As we know HK is no longer playing & I don't see the freshman from the Pottsville area listed.

Apparently, CB will be assisting with team management & AG is also taking an early retirement.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 17, 2019, 11:25:26 PM
  Mid-July, coach thought all 5 frosh were still coming; looks like something changed in the past 3 months with Abbey McGee.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 18, 2019, 07:10:43 PM
 #4 for the Lady Royals:

Maddie Hartnett  5-7  G  Chatham(NJ)

Last guard that I really liked from Chatham(Amanda Berntsen) started for Princeton's NCAA tourney teams a few years ago.

Scranton Lady Royals liked
Maddie Hartnett
@hartnett_maddie
·
2h
I am super excited to announce that I will be continuing my education and basketball careers at the University of Scranton!  Thank you
@CoachTinyGreen

@eallentraining

@ShoreshotsGirls
and
@chatgirlshoops
for helping me reach my goals! 🏀
Scranton Lady Royals and Maddie Hartnett
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on October 19, 2019, 08:36:32 AM

Thanks, Ronk.

From looking at the video highlights of these kids, it's apparent they all can run the court, create & shoot.

If the new coach is looking to play more up-tempo, then he's off to a great start filling the roster with kids that fit that style.

Haven't seen any video of the post/forward from Syracuse so time will tell and I'll keep an eye on her stats throughout the year.

These kids really look good and come from great high school & AAU programs.

With another year of personal growth, playing time & basketball maturity, they are going to be a truly great first year class.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 29, 2019, 03:28:34 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on October 17, 2019, 02:49:45 PM
Just to pile on, I just saw a reference on twitter that Scranton was looking at a 2021 kid on the men's side. It certainly has made things more interesting.

Interesting considering coaches can't contact players in DIII until midway through their junior seasons (assuming they rise to seniors). January is their first chance. Maybe there are other indications, but this seems a bit early for someone to claim a DIII school is looking at them.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 29, 2019, 03:56:21 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 29, 2019, 03:28:34 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on October 17, 2019, 02:49:45 PM
Just to pile on, I just saw a reference on twitter that Scranton was looking at a 2021 kid on the men's side. It certainly has made things more interesting.

Interesting considering coaches can't contact players in DIII until midway through their junior seasons (assuming they rise to seniors). January is their first chance. Maybe there are other indications, but this seems a bit early for someone to claim a DIII school is looking at them.

It's the end of the sophomore high school year now; it was changed 3? years ago.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 29, 2019, 04:03:55 PM
Quote from: ronk on October 29, 2019, 03:56:21 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 29, 2019, 03:28:34 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on October 17, 2019, 02:49:45 PM
Just to pile on, I just saw a reference on twitter that Scranton was looking at a 2021 kid on the men's side. It certainly has made things more interesting.

Interesting considering coaches can't contact players in DIII until midway through their junior seasons (assuming they rise to seniors). January is their first chance. Maybe there are other indications, but this seems a bit early for someone to claim a DIII school is looking at them.

It's the end of the sophomore high school year now; it was changed 3? years ago.

What changed three years ago was that coaches could start talking to them mid-Junior year. I was at the convention when it was voted in. I'll have to check to see if they moved it again, but I didn't think they had. The discussion at the time was this gave coaches the chance to talk to eventual rising juniors while they were still in high school instead of waiting until the junior year was over. However, they also didn't want to become like DI and start talking too soon - keeping the virtues of DIII.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on October 29, 2019, 04:13:47 PM

First of all, the posts are done by the kids on their accounts, not through the school.

Additionally, these students are all Seniors right now on the women's side.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 29, 2019, 04:17:02 PM
Quote from: saratoga on October 29, 2019, 04:13:47 PM

First of all, the posts are done by the kids on their accounts, not through the school.

Additionally, these students are all Seniors right now on the women's side.

Oh ... I know they are done through the kids. I didn't assume otherwise.

You said a "2021 kid) - so I figured you were talking juniors. What is your 2021 reference in reference to?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on October 29, 2019, 06:20:25 PM

I know of no 2021 player.

I believe NEPAFAN made that reference.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on October 31, 2019, 03:19:19 AM
Well another year amongst us and the preseason poll should be coming out.I say Scranton will be ranked number 1 because of the talent they have coming back they lost Bridgett Mann but they also picked up talent throughout the a...!This team will be better then last year in my eyes with coaches style and defense thry should be tough!Cant wait to see you young ladies at Gwynedd Mercy we will be there.Ronk,Nepafan,Saratoga what's your thought 9n ladies be number one
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 31, 2019, 04:08:40 PM
 Lady Royals garner most first-place votes in the preseason poll but are slotted 3rd behind Amherst and Tufts when all the votes are considered. I figured it would be among those 3 for #1. Bowdoin got 4 1st-place votes, but they lost too much to justify that.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 31, 2019, 04:09:45 PM
Top 25 released with some familiar names atop the rankings:

https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2019-20/preseason

This was the toughest preseason ballot in a long time. I considered about six teams for No. 1 before picking Tufts, narrowly over Scranton and Amherst.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 07, 2019, 12:40:58 AM
 #5 commit to the Lady Royals:

Mackenzie Steele  6-2  P/F  Susquehanna(PA)    JB Hoops

Saw her AAU team play because they had a good player who committed to Penn a few days ago but I don't remember Mackenzie's play, in particular. No video currently on Mackenzie but I suspect she'll be on her teammate's video.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on November 07, 2019, 02:49:58 PM
Well, I think it's pretty evident that DiPillo is a strong recruiter.  Hopefully he's just as strong a coach.

The Landmark Conference thinks he's going to keep the Lady Royals on top:  https://athletics.scranton.edu/sports/wbkb/2019-20/releases/20191107hk8rxh
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on November 09, 2019, 12:14:57 AM
 :D 3 basketball opened tonight Moravian beating Dickinson and One of Scrantons opponents next week -Ursinus losing opening night.Will see you at Gwynedd Ladies next weekend!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 10, 2019, 08:52:57 AM

Rofrog:

Watch out for the deer down there...there's a reason it's called Buck's County.  ;)

Nice to see the guys start the season off with a W and big congrats to Coach Woodruff, who picks up his first D-1 coaching victory last night as Bucknell crushes Monmouth.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on November 10, 2019, 10:04:18 PM
Yes you are exactly right Saratoga about the deer.Yes congrats To Trevor on his first d1 win with many more coming!Opening night wasnt good to him though getting crushed by Virginia.But like Saratoga said they will be very competitive in conference play!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 15, 2019, 07:04:58 PM
 Opening nite for the Lady Royals - this tourney site 6 years ago was the debut of Sarah Payonk with a combo of 18/18 pts/rebs against Montclair St(a final 4 team) and 26/13 vs Washington College; this was arguably the finest frosh debut of any Scranton athlete ever.
I had seen Sarah play 10 games(AAU & HS) the year before(I was really interested in her AAU teammate who played @ D1 Mount St Mary) but I was still surprised at her production. I later analyzed that my surprise stemmed from having seen her play against many scholarship players(D1/2) and that she was able to be more productive in the D3 world.
  There is an incoming frosh capable of similar production but with 4 starters returning along with the 6th man, she won't have the same opportunity that Sarah had. I haven't seen her play in over a year but that was my thought back then.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 17, 2019, 08:36:46 AM

Well, another season is underway & although you can't complain with the final results (2 wins), there is obviously a ton of work still to do.

If this team has any aspirations of following in the footsteps of previous Lady Royal teams, their defense simply has to improve & improve significantly.

I saw more uncontested shots go up in the first two games this season than were allowed in the past two years.

Playing tough D for 40 minutes is hard and it takes a total team effort, but if you want to be one of the last teams standing, it not only has to be done, the kids need to embrace that philosophy.

Right now they are giving up 69 ppg, last year for an entire season, they only allowed 48.8.

The press is coming....

Get used to it & work on it every day.

Glad to see after about 8 trips of not getting the ball past half court and passing the ball into a corner where immediate triple teams were taking place, the passes started to go to the middle and a Sophia was moved up to assist.

Bombs away....

I guess this is part of the new offensive scheme & that's great news for Emily S. & Taylor & a few others but it also takes some kids out of their natural zone of comfort. Misses lead to deep rebounds and that leads to the opposition getting the ball down court quicker and preventing the Lady Royals from pressuring the ball & easier baskets.

I was glad to see Mackenzie floating more yesterday into those 10/15 foot jumpers than letting them fly from deep.

She can obviously nail the big 3 (please refer to the Tufts game) but it can't be forced. By moving toward the basket, it also allows her to be in position to be fouled & when you have someone that shoots 84% from the line, take that advantage every time you can.

I guess I'm used to seeing the extra pass being made to get the best shot possible regardless of where it comes from.
Although you can certainly speed this process up, recognition of what is a good shot still needs to happen.

Great to see Emily Shurina step right in and provide an instant spark offensively and if she keeps playing like this, she'll be getting more and more minutes.

The freshman post had a fantastic game on Friday and she'll only get more confidence with each opportunity.

The freshman point also did some nice things but she needs the offense to give her space so she has lanes to drive or dish...too clogged at times with little to no motion and kids bumping into each other.

Most of this team has been to the promised land, the offense is too good & they'll find their mojo.

However, if they have any hope of keeping up with Lady Royal teams of the past, their defense has got to get far more serious and intense.

Offense is fun to watch, defense wins championships.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on November 17, 2019, 10:28:09 AM
I agree that there is room for improvement (too many points given up and turnovers committed), but I think that the number of points they've given up is relative:

Ursinus averages 76 points/49% against other opponents.  Scored 64/44% against Scranton.

Gwynedd runs a Grinnell-style up-tempo system, trying to force turnovers and score quick buckets.  Against other opponents they average 88 points on 30% shooting (averaging 100 shots per game).  Against Scranton, they scored 74 points on 22% shooting (and 86 shots).  And from what I saw against Gwynedd they did a fairly nice job breaking the press.  Yes, Scranton committed a way-too-high 24 turnovers, but Gywnedd has forced 31 turnovers/game against their  other opponents.

Given the senior leadership on this team, as they get used to the new coach and style of play, I am reasonably confident that they will tighten things up as the year goes on so that they can have another deep run in March.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 17, 2019, 10:40:31 AM

Tim:

Just to keep things in perspective, last year Gwynedd only scored 45 points against essentially, this very same Royal squad.

A 29 point swing in the wrong direction should not be ignored.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on November 17, 2019, 10:50:51 AM
Fair enough. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on November 17, 2019, 11:00:27 AM
Here is a fact this is our 3rd time in this tournament never won it.They did yesterday.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 17, 2019, 12:15:13 PM
Couple games into a new season ... under a new coach ...

Patience my friends, patience.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on November 17, 2019, 12:16:53 PM
Agreed!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 17, 2019, 12:49:22 PM
Quote from: saratoga on November 17, 2019, 10:40:31 AM

Tim:

Just to keep things in perspective, last year Gwynedd only scored 45 points against essentially, this very same Royal squad.

A 29 point swing in the wrong direction should not be ignored.

This mainly reflects the change by G-M Coach Mondillo to speed up the offense, cause t/o s with more open 3-pt shots and less time between shots.
  Breaking a zone press requires different team capabilities than 1 ballhandler against a man-to-man. Lots to work on this week; G-M did us a favor.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on November 17, 2019, 12:52:56 PM
Yes they need to stop going to the corner!Gurantee they will get it right.First half they did it fine but I personally think they got a little tired and made some terrible passes.Which can be corrected immediately!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on November 17, 2019, 12:57:35 PM
See when you have a run offense like he likes they better get in shape quick.Mason,Sheehan,Lily,Taylor handled it well from what I saw at the game Sofia was sucking air but held in there.I think as the year goes on they will get better.Under Trevor he never pressed.He had them sit back and play defense on there end which is fine.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on November 17, 2019, 01:26:42 PM
See Trevor's team lost to an 0-2 team Quinnipiac!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 17, 2019, 05:20:51 PM
 The Lady Royals' Emily Shurina, after shooting 54% on 3s last season, upped her accuracy this year, going 5-7 Friday and 6-7 in the first half yesterday. She scored 20 pts in 9 mins of action in that 1st half yesterday. I don't remember any of those makes drawing iron in that 1st half. On 1 of those pure shots she tangled the net in the rim; the refs either didn't notice(they're supposed to stop play and fix the net) or they didn't care. Sure enough, 20 secs later, Emily pures 1 from the corner again and the tangled net almost causes the ball to pop back through the rim. Even the G-M fans were going wild at the display.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 17, 2019, 06:09:26 PM

Emily is one of those classic pure shooters.

When she gets on a roll, just keep feeding her.

Beautiful stroke!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on November 17, 2019, 07:03:21 PM
Agreed Saratoga,Ronk if you could have seen the fans from G-M everytime she got the ball and shot it up they went wild a couple fans.She has a beautiful shot.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on November 17, 2019, 07:05:22 PM
Number 2 for G-M was a dirty player.The night before she flipped a girl and she is the one that hurt Shurina in the 4th.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 17, 2019, 07:48:32 PM
Ro:
I didn't see Emily get hurt...what happened?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on November 17, 2019, 07:52:01 PM
Going in for a basket 2 hacked her shooting arm pretty good she was sore going to the line.She made 1 of 2 from the line.As coach took her out she was shaking her arm.But I think she was fine.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 17, 2019, 07:54:01 PM
 I could tell she was shook up- she doesn't miss foul shots.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 17, 2019, 08:22:08 PM

Thanks.

Hopefully, a few days of rest will do the trick.

Has Hannah been injured too?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on November 17, 2019, 10:20:08 PM
Yes
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on November 18, 2019, 09:33:41 AM
Quote from: saratoga on November 17, 2019, 08:22:08 PM

Has Hannah been injured too?

She was in street clothes at the games.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 25, 2019, 06:40:07 PM

From the Who Cares What You Think Dept.

From the small sample I've seen (4 games), I'm not sold on the new offensive run & gun philosophy of the Lady Royals.

I think that may be a smart plan at some point in the future after those type of kids are in the program but this group looks they are having a few serious issues with this tempo:

*Not moving the ball enough to recognize who has the best shot.

*Not being aware of time management...crazy shots being fired up with an 18 point lead in the 4th. quarter vs. Kings.

*Also, with the exception of one game, this offense is missing opportunities and mis-matches in the post.

*If the legs are getting tired, you tend to start playing D with your hands and then commit silly reach-in fouls which then gets the opposition to the line. It was an exceptionally rare game in the past where Scranton would put the opposing team on the line with 5 or more fouls with more than 3 minutes to play.

*The defense was better against Wilkes but the reality is, the defense was playing Wilkes.

*The young post player is doing a really nice job & sets some nice picks at the top but she needs to realize what constitutes an illegal screen.
It's a point of emphasis so the zebra's are watching.

On to Marywood......
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 25, 2019, 07:16:56 PM

Scranton area basketball fans just lost a great ambassador of the game.

John Bucci, owner of Backcourt Hoops & local AAU coach of kids (male & female) playing in every division of college ball passed away today.

John coached the legendary Gerry MacNamara at Scranton's Bishop Hannon HS & led them to a State Championship & numerous Final Fours & Elite 8's.

A great friend to the UofS..he was just 57.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 25, 2019, 07:28:41 PM
 Going to miss John. Had a great weekly radio show promoting all bball in NEPA, high school and college, alike. Remember John even making it down to the Lady Royals Final 4 in SW VA this spring. Also, listening to a broadcast of his PIAA playoff game against Trinity(my sisters' high school) when Gerry Mac had 55 and a Trinity player(who played @ ODU) had 37.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 25, 2019, 08:05:54 PM
Quote from: saratoga on November 25, 2019, 06:40:07 PM

From the Who Cares What You Think Dept.

From the small sample I've seen (4 games), I'm not sold on the new offensive run & gun philosophy of the Lady Royals.

I think that may be a smart plan at some point in the future after those type of kids are in the program but this group looks they are having a few serious issues with this tempo:

*Not moving the ball enough to recognize who has the best shot.

*Not being aware of time management...crazy shots being fired up with an 18 point lead in the 4th. quarter vs. Kings.

*Also, with the exception of one game, this offense is missing opportunities and mis-matches in the post.

*If the legs are getting tired, you tend to start playing D with your hands and then commit silly reach-in fouls which then gets the opposition to the line. It was an exceptionally rare game in the past where Scranton would put the opposing team on the line with 5 or more fouls with more than 3 minutes to play.

*The defense was better against Wilkes but the reality is, the defense was playing Wilkes.

*The young post player is doing a really nice job & sets some nice picks at the top but she needs to realize what constitutes an illegal screen.
It's a point of emphasis so the zebra's are watching.


On to Marywood......

And, not just her - all the bigs who set screens and/or pick-and-rolls should drill until it's done correctly. It'll be a significant part of their man-to-man offense, especially as the FR PG(who exploits this move) gets more playing time.
  The FR PG impresses me with her ball handling, driving, judgment, and FT shooting. It's nice to have a replacement for Bridgette Mann to control the ball in the final secs of each quarter while in the bonus. I was originally borderline with her play/potential when I last saw her 2 years ago(rising JR AAU season), but I've been converted.
  JR wing is rushing her shot to get it off; she's open, just rushing. However, she's doing a good job in offensive transition and harassing ball handlers.
  Was FR SG held out yesterday as a precaution after playing for 1st time on Sat? Didn't notice her aggravating anything on Sat.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 25, 2019, 08:12:53 PM

Ronk:

Yes, back in street clothes again yesterday.

Not sure why.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on November 25, 2019, 08:25:50 PM
I was interning at Bishop Hannan in Fall or '01 for my master's degree in education and got to know John a little bit during that time.  He was very passionate for the game and had a tremendous love of teaching it to the kids.  He was a fixture of NEPA basketball and will be missed.  RIP, John.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on November 25, 2019, 11:04:07 PM
 He was a great man,thoughts and prayers go out to all that new Coach!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on November 25, 2019, 11:24:52 PM
Saratoga I agree on the defensive end.Dont forget he doesnt have canio helping like trevor did,So Coach is starting fresh he has a lady that just got off the basketball court last year as an assitant.Maybe Canio could come back.Im very surprised that Ursinus is 2-3 She has a very nice team but as one of the parents said she cant coach.So at least they are 4-0 instead of 2-3 like the great one at bucknell.Give it time i think it will come together 4 games in just like with Trevor at Bucknell.One thing I will say is this Coach is MELLOW.So I agree defense needs to improve big time they have the offense just needs the defense to step up  and also Hannah Kowalski to come back!!!!I wish
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on November 27, 2019, 12:52:58 AM
To the person that complains!Remeber what you said OH Give Trevor time!Well my friend I say the same to you Give Nick time!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 27, 2019, 08:09:45 AM

Ro:

I'm guessing your last comment was a not so subtile one directed at me.

Not sure who isn't giving the new coach "time".

You need to be able to differentiate between a critique of style of play and harping on a coach.

I don't think a single person here has said a negative thing about the new Lady Royal's coach, we all want both he & the team to be successful.

On the other hand, it's probably a good time to stop taking jabs at Trevor.

Not sure what your ongoing beef with him is but he was only the most successful coach in Lady Royal history over a four year span & one of the best in all of D-III...bar none.

I told you earlier this year when he took the job at Bucknell which had just lost 4 starters...give him 2 years and they'll be right back on top.

That still stands.



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on November 28, 2019, 12:39:49 AM
Trevor did great because of Strong leaving him great players! Yes 2 years give this coach 2 years to get players he recruited and by the looks of it he is not doing to bad on recruiting.Two different styles of basketball just think it is also luck not only coaching or players but luck if that girl from CNU hits them 2 ft game is over and they move on So it is not all Trevor I mean the guy-if he was that great he would be offered a great d1 job not bucknell.Many superb D1 around and I wouldnt consider Bucknell that superb.I understand you love Trevor well I dont and personally glad he is gone and so are some parents!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 01, 2019, 11:28:56 AM
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Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 03, 2019, 08:41:02 PM
Great win Coach and Lady Royals!Beating Desales at Desales 23 home game  winning streak by 13 pts .Maybe just maybe you dont show your full cards all the time.That is all I will say Merry Christmas and Happy New Years !!!!Great WIN COACH DIPILLO AND LADY ROYALS GREAT DEFENSE ALSO !!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 03, 2019, 08:44:42 PM
Shocker Amherst lost !!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on December 03, 2019, 08:54:10 PM
It was a good road victory tonight for the Lady Royals against top-ten ranked DeSales, holding them to 48 points (well below their season average of 72).  Whatever DiPillo said at halftime worked, turning a close contest and opening up a sizable lead with a 15-1 run to start the third quarter.  They were a little sloppy on offense in the 4th and could have used better ball movement and taken more time off the shot clock to get better shots, but they kept the pressure up on the defensive end and didn't allow DeSales to get closer than 9.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 03, 2019, 09:14:47 PM
Does anyone have problems listening to hoopsville?I'm not getting the sound,I get the video no sound?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 03, 2019, 10:15:15 PM
 No problem with audio; there was an unmute button in the middle of the screen that I clicked first.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 03, 2019, 10:22:24 PM
 Lady Royals do it with defense. Not a pretty game to watch with all the turnovers. DeSales with only 5 assists. Fr PG is bailing them out, although Lily may have had a career game, too.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 03, 2019, 11:07:31 PM
So will Scranton hop over Tufts for No. 1?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 03, 2019, 11:55:47 PM
I would say yes but who knows!!Beat the 8/9 team in the nation by 11 on Desales home court!!!They havent lost in 23 home games pretty impressive! Gordon you are one voter what is your thought?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 03, 2019, 11:56:13 PM
 Probably a tossup at this point; if Scranton can stay #2 til the NCAA tourney(hosting considerations), I'll be happy.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 04, 2019, 07:40:44 AM

I've always felt an ugly win on the road is much better than a pretty loss.

That said, it's painfully obvious that this is a team still trying to figure things out offensively.

Thank God their defense keeps them in games even when the kids are struggling with their shot.

As a team, the new style they are being asked to play is creating confusion right now as to discerning what's a bad shot, a good shot or a better shot.

Last evening 3 players took 29 shots & only made 4 of them.

Conversely, two players (inclusive of the projected All-American) only took 16 shots but they made 11 of them.

In the entire 4th. quarter, I believe she only took one shot.

When she shoots 82% from the line, you need some action that gets the ball in her hands driving to the basket.

Hopefully, it will come together.

Great to see Sophia play tough at both ends of the floor.

Again, early season, on the road, top 10 team, you play a milquetoast kind of game & still win by double digits...take it every time.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 04, 2019, 07:44:20 PM
So I had sometime on my hands so i went back to 2015-16 and today's stats exactly to the date 12/3.This is what i found out to date and this is not my stats this is NCAA stats.Start with this year scoring offense 46 out of 450,scoring defense 66th out of 450,Field goal percentage defense 15th out of 450,Fg percentage 83rd out of 450,3pt fg per game 21st out of 450,Ft per 309 out of 450 and finally scoring margin 28th.Now Trevor's first year same date 12/3 scoring offense 133rd out of 420,scoring defense 63rd out of 420,Fg percentage defense 174th out of 420,Fg percentage 12th out of 420,3pt fg per game 239th out of 420,3pt per percentage 81st out of 420,Free throw percentage 13th out of 420 and finally scoring margin 61st out of 420.So I think Coach Dipillo is doing okay and I didn't realize that d3women went up from 420 to 450 is that true?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 06, 2019, 01:06:34 PM
Well, I was going to vote for Scranton No. 1 and then I read Saratoga's post and changed my mind! :)

Seriously, I went round and round and round on whether to pick Amherst, Tufts or Scranton No. 1 in the preseason. I settled on Tufts and will probably stay there. Unfortunately I probably won't learn much about Tufts until they play CNU at the Stevens holiday tournament.

Fortunately I will get to see Scranton in person at the D3hoops.com Classic. So if the Lady Royals beat George Fox convincingly, I could switch without Tufts doing anything wrong.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 06, 2019, 03:46:42 PM
Gordon I hope your joking on that take.You should vote on who beat who up to that date not wait until they play someone in Vegas.That is a piss poor way to vote in my eyes,just saying!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 06, 2019, 06:43:16 PM

Ro:

Take your B/P medicine...Gordon is yanking your chain.

All is well.

I do wonder why all those voters gave the number 1 nod to Scranton pre-season (8 I believe), then defected to Amherst after 2 games?

Hopefully, the Lady Royal's will win their hearts back.

In my book:

1.Scranton
2.Tufts
3.Bowdoin
4.Hope
5.St. Thomas
6.Amherst

Then you guys can take it from there.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 06, 2019, 07:33:36 PM
Yes:Saratoga I  take the B/P every morning thanks for the concerns!!!Hopefully i can catch you at a game and grab a drink maybe this upcoming tournament before heading to Vegas !!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on December 06, 2019, 07:59:17 PM
Saratoga:  I was wondering the same thing. 

Amherst gained 4 first place votes from Scranton as well as from Bowdoin, + 2 more from Tufts.  I wonder what the appeal to the voters was to move their votes to Amherst, as none of the other three have lost and Amherst appears to have had the weakest schedule to date of any of these.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 06, 2019, 08:17:54 PM

Tim:

Probably 2 primary factors....

*Name recognition
*Demonstrated history of success.

Ro:
Sounds like a plan.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 07, 2019, 12:36:27 AM
Gordon:I like your idea putting Tufts 1in the pool!I will never forget that day The Lady Royals just became the number 1 team in the nation and they where going into a trap game that same night at MT St Mary's and man did they get there ass handed to them I think they lost by 20 and that was with  Mellody,Williams,Matt's etc.That  was an ugly game lol. I was at that game it wasnt pretty believe me it remind me of that game at Desales when they had a lead over 20pts and Mellody by herself brought the team back.Still today the best player to wear that Lady Royals uniform in my eyes!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 09, 2019, 08:24:32 PM

Not that this Top 25 carries any weight come tournament time, nor is it any more reliable than Stanky's Nanticoke Grill D-3 Top 25, but I'm having a bit of a difficult time wondering how this voting crew goes from giving Tufts 3 first place votes last week & after beating 2 teams with a combined record of 8-5, they somehow have opened the eyes of the masses and pick up an additional 11 first place votes?

Meanwhile, the Lady Royal's knock off the then undefeated number 9 team plus another (both with a combined record of 9-3 & both on the road) and they only pick up two, as in 2 additional first place votes?

Splain that to me Lucy?

Truly a head scratcher but not worth arguing.

Hard to believe the season is one quarter over already.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 09, 2019, 10:02:58 PM
A difference of 12 points means it wasn't that cut and dry. It was debatable and not everyone was on the same page. Scranton was clearly on top of some ballots and ahead of Tufts in others. Just not all.

The Royals are #2. Enjoy that fact. I don't think it's worth getting too upset about. Sure, they beat DeSales ... impressive. That will still be part of their resume every week there is another vote.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 10, 2019, 01:37:15 AM

Not upset in the least.

I can think of about 390 other schools wishing they had Scranton's problem.

Just trying to figure out the logic of some of the voters.

Perhaps on your next show you can bring in Steve Kornacki to break down the geographic voting patterns & what the exit polls are saying.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 10, 2019, 01:29:40 PM
My guess is that several people had Amherst, Tufts, Scranton in that order and just slid those teams up in that order after Amherst lost. The order of the Top 5 overall tends to be reflected in a lot of individual voters' ballots.

This is also a guess, but I think some voters saw Hope's massive margins of victory and decided they are the best team, at least right now. Hope didn't have any No. 1 votes last week. If Hope had lost to Calvin or had a close margin of victory, maybe Scranton picks up those No. 1 votes instead of Hope.

One other thing that's more specific to my ballot. I had DeSales as No. 19 last week, much lower than No. 9 in the poll. This isn't intended to denigrate a really good win for Scranton, but I generally expect a Top 3 team to beat the No. 19 team in the country by 11 points on the road. I know the game was tighter than 11 points, so I bumped DeSales up to 16th, which is still lower than No. 11. Scranton remains in front of every team but Tufts because that's how I had them entering the week but it's certainly reasonable to go the other way.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 10, 2019, 02:55:04 PM
Gordon's point is a good one. When I vote on the men's side, I first always feel the higher ranked team is going to win (thus the reason I voted for them as such) and I don't downgrade the lower ranked team on my ballot for losing. I also don't have teams ranked like the rest of the poll - that hardly happens for any voter; I in fact don't have four teams on my men's ballot who are in the Top 25 one of which is pretty high up and I haven't voted for them once. So in Gordon's example if I was voting similarly, I wouldn't give Scranton more credit for the win than I was already going to give them. I probably would have done the same as Gordon or at least made sure I didn't push DeSales further down my ballot with the loss.

So there are voters like Gordon who probably didn't have DeSales nearly as high and thus didn't feel they needed to push Scranton up in their ballot with that victory. Others also probably had DeSales pretty high (thus the compensation for those who voted like Gordon lower and left DeSales as high as they had been) and instead of necessarily pushing Scranton up higher probably felt they misread DeSales and instead lowered the Bulldogs instead.

There are many ways to skin the same cat - as it where - and no voter thinks the same. When a team is near the top, there is less ability to really move them up and a lot of voters will readjust the teams they play ranked below them. It doesn't mean the top teams can't move, but it is far easier to move down than it is to move up especially when you get towards the top of a ballot.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 10, 2019, 08:58:48 PM
I just don't see that logic because you had Number 1 team Amherst get beat by a team that wasn't ranked at 4-3 and drop only four spots.But Scranton Beats Desales at Desales which by the way ranked 8/9 in both polls and Gordon you said you had them 19th where was Emmanuel ranked in your poll.See if you call desales a close game then what do you call Tufts 4pt win  over Brandeis and are they ranked?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 11, 2019, 07:30:41 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on December 10, 2019, 08:58:48 PM
I just don't see that logic because you had Number 1 team Amherst get beat by a team that wasn't ranked at 4-3 and drop only four spots.But Scranton Beats Desales at Desales which by the way ranked 8/9 in both polls and Gordon you said you had them 19th where was Emmanuel ranked in your poll.See if you call desales a close game then what do you call Tufts 4pt win  over Brandeis and are they ranked?

You can't look as polls by position, because it's an aggregate of how 25 voters positioned a team.  You really have to look at the points.  Scranton went from 575 to 599.  Four voters already had them #1, so they couldn't gain any points from those four.  That means 21 voters gave them an extra 24 points.  Essentially, everyone who could moved them up one spot (likely the one Amherst vacated) and a couple moved them up multiple spots (jumping a team that didn't lose, unless there was a real funky ballot somewhere).

Not sure what else you want from the voters.

(By the way, Tufts only gained 19 points despite picking up an additional 11 first place votes - that means four voters who didn't have them at #1 didn't move them up at all - those are probably the voters who already had Scranton at #1).

You can tell a lot about how people voted by looking at the points changes, especially at the top of the poll.

We can tell from Week 3 that voters were, overall, more impressed with what Scranton did that week than what Tufts did, although it's still very close, as you'd expect.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 11, 2019, 11:48:52 AM
Quote from: saratoga on December 09, 2019, 08:24:32 PM
nor is it any more reliable than Stanky's Nanticoke Grill D-3 Top 25

Sure it is.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 11, 2019, 11:54:04 AM
Those are fair questions.

I dropped Amherst from No. 2 to No. 7, ahead of all other teams with one loss except Mary Hardin-Baylor (lost to an NAIA school) and St. Thomas (lost to Gustavus after 77 straight wins in conference and has a win over Trinity).  That could end up being too high for Amherst, but Amherst brings back much of what they had last year when the same thing happened. They lost to unranked-but-solid Eastern Connecticut on a night where they shot like poop and then returned to form the rest of the season, losing in double overtime in the Sweet 16 to St. Thomas. There's a leap of faith on my part that Amherst's result against Emmanuel was an aberration but not a very big one. They romped over Eastern Connecticut in their next game.

At this point I have DeSales on my ballot, but don't have Brandeis. Unlike DeSales, Brandeis does not have a recent history of success and that is a factor I consider -- does this program have a history of producing great teams. Brandeis also plays in a much tougher conference than DeSales so it's conceivable that Brandeis could be a better or comparable team to DeSales but never rise on the radar because playing at Wash U, Chicago, Emory and Rochester is much tougher than playing at Misericordia, King's, Eastern and Stevens. If Brandeis puts up the same winning percentage in the UAA that DeSales does, then the Judges will be higher on my ballot.

Consider DeSales and Trinity (Conn.) from last season. The teams played each other evenly over the holidays before DeSales pulled it out at the end. DeSales ended up being the best team in the Atlantic and ranked in the Top 25 most of the season. Trinity was buried in the NESCAC and absent from the Top 25. DeSales was the better team in my opinion, but not by the margin that the polls suggested.

The difference between Scranton and Tufts is really slight and you could certainly flip the two teams.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 11, 2019, 01:26:10 PM
Yes and one of the biggest factors is Scranton brings back the same team but Bridgette(which is a big loss)that beat Tufts.One rule of thumb is until Scranton losses they should have started ahead of Tufts because of the Players Scranton had coming back from that final four trip compared to Tufts losing alot more players that contributed to Tufts.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 11, 2019, 02:14:36 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on December 11, 2019, 01:26:10 PM
Yes and one of the biggest factors is Scranton brings back the same team but Bridgette(which is a big loss)that beat Tufts.One rule of thumb is until Scranton losses they should have started ahead of Tufts because of the Players Scranton had coming back from that final four trip compared to Tufts losing alot more players that contributed to Tufts.

That's certainly a valid opinion for a Scranton fan to take, but the Top 25 voting panel is not made up of 25 Scranton fans, so your mileage may vary.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 11, 2019, 02:31:09 PM
QuoteOne rule of thumb is until Scranton losses they should have started ahead of Tufts because of the Players Scranton had coming back from that final four trip compared to Tufts losing alot more players that contributed to Tufts.

Fortunately that's something we can quantify through the data we collect.

Points returning: Tufts 79%, Scranton 71%
Rebounds returning: Tufts 87%, Scranton 70%
Assists returning: Tufts 80%, Scranton 69%

Statistically speaking Tufts had more coming back. Each team lost one starter - Mann for Scranton and Knapp for Tufts. Mann was certainly the more impactful player when healthy.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Roundball999 on December 11, 2019, 07:27:35 PM
For what it's worth (debatable), Massey has Tufts at #2 and Scranton at #8.  In a head to head matchup between the two, Massey gives Tufts a 70% win probability over Scranton at a neutral site with a mean score of 60-53.  Massey algorithms are sketchy early in the season especially, but there's no emotion involved just statistics.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 11, 2019, 08:34:22 PM
Massey also said Tufts would beat Scranton by 15 last year and they didnt.I dont see them as legit.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 11, 2019, 08:44:59 PM
Gordon about Mann she was out 18 games Knapp played every game!So I disagree on that.Plus they had some seniors coming off the bench that can score.Time will tell.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 11, 2019, 08:47:33 PM
Not miles away.Why was Swathmore men picked number one and how did you come to that conclusion?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Roundball999 on December 11, 2019, 08:50:48 PM
Well that's the funny thing about statistics, they deal in probabilities not certainties.  Massey still has Tufts with a 65% probability to win last year's game :) but that doesn't make the statistics wrong, it just shows what we all know - no team is a lock when facing a decent opponent.

Probably the statistics Gordon pointed out are more relevant than Massey in this case though. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 11, 2019, 11:08:57 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on December 11, 2019, 08:47:33 PM
Not miles away.Why was Swathmore men picked number one and how did you come to that conclusion?

Because Swarthmore made it to the national championship game and lost one player ... one that the team may be even better despite his departure. He was an incredible talent, but was always a work to make sure he stayed within the team. His senior year he did far better. But the guy coming off the bench last year and is starting now is a better defender, better distributor, and can score as well.

And most men's teams have lost a lot of players in turn over. The national champions lost two key players and have gone from being near the top of the preseason poll to out of the poll in the latest release with three losses.

And on the men's side the amount of parity is ridiculous. There is so much talent across up to 40 teams nationwide ... with the next group still capable of beating a lot of the top teams. So, when you only lose one player and bring back all the key pieces otherwise, it is a major note. On the women's side, the talent is significantly more isolated near the top of DIII, so when teams lose significant talent it is more note worthy.

It's kind of an apples and oranges comparison really.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 11, 2019, 11:27:26 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on December 11, 2019, 02:31:09 PM
QuoteOne rule of thumb is until Scranton losses they should have started ahead of Tufts because of the Players Scranton had coming back from that final four trip compared to Tufts losing alot more players that contributed to Tufts.

Fortunately that's something we can quantify through the data we collect.

Points returning: Tufts 79%, Scranton 71%
Rebounds returning: Tufts 87%, Scranton 70%
Assists returning: Tufts 80%, Scranton 69%

Statistically speaking Tufts had more coming back. Each team lost one starter - Mann for Scranton and Knapp for Tufts. Mann was certainly the more impactful player when healthy.
OOPS. I was supposed to post this earlier and walked away from my computer.

I apologize if this is out of sorts, now.



As a voter who looks at this stuff especially at the beginning of the season ... if I was torn as to who I should rank above who ... the info Gordon shared would have me comfortably putting Tufts ahead of Scranton in this season's poll(s). Sure, Scranton beat Tufts LAST season ... but as pointed out, they both lost a key player, but I think voters feel Scranton's key was more impactful to the overall team than Tufts ... meaning Tufts brings back more impact. And we can't gauge freshmen who haven't played.

And as Ryan pointed out, it seems voters are putting more stock in Scranton even if the poll doesn't show them ahead of Tufts. At this point ... we are splitting hairs.

But a win over a team last year ... doesn't automatically mean a team should be ranked ahead of that team this time around.

You asked about Swarthmore (I'm now catching-up to the conversation at hand) ... I wasn't going to vote for them ahead of UW-Oshkosh to start the season even though UWO beat Swat in the title game. UWO lost more key pieces than Swat did and I felt as a result, Swat was a better team heading into the season. Last year is informative and the players coming back are known, but that doesn't mean last year's results dictate how voters feel about teams in preseason or early in the season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 12, 2019, 07:46:49 PM

Not that I really care about their ranking, but I can't help but wonder how a 9-0 Albright team is not getting any votes when some teams with 3 losses are getting the love?

I understand that their schedule hasn't been exactly challenging, but neither are the schedules thus far of some 2 & 3 loss teams.

Not saying they should be ranked 17th. in the country but zero votes is also kind of hard to believe.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on December 12, 2019, 08:57:17 PM
Let me preface this that I don't believe that polls in December before we get into the heart of conference play don't really mean much.

Saratoga, I was thinking the same thing about Misericordia...

In looking into it, it looks like there are 17 undefeated women's D3 basketball teams (18 if you count Maranatha Baptist, which only played one game before today). This list (https://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-women/d3/current/team/169) also includes Augsburg, which has a loss.

Of these 17, 5 did not receive any votes:  Albright, Misericordia, Edgewood, Westminster and North Park. 

Not knowing much about them, I'm guessing they have played pretty easy schedules and just need a signature win.  Hmmm... Misericordia may be playing Scranton in the Poinsettia Classic...  ;D



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 12, 2019, 10:10:18 PM
As the Top 25 administrator, each week I send the voters an email with the results for every team that received votes in the prior week's poll plus a couple teams I ask voters to consider, figuring someone is falling off their ballot. I want to avoid having group think or stale teams cycle in and out of the poll. I also send voters the link to our standings so they can do their own research. Most weeks there are one or two teams that get votes that weren't on my radar, which I always appreciate.

This week's "please consider" teams were Brandeis (because of the Tufts result), Gustavus (because of the St Thomas win) and Williams. You can see the varying degrees to which voters were interested.

Albright was on my list for next week if they beat Moravian. The Kean win is good, in my mind. Same goes for North Park which plays Wheaton. Edgewood is in one of D3's weaker conferences and would need a bunch more wins.

The early schedules for Miseri and Westminster are really weak. Miseri will eventually play DeDales and, as someone noted, Scranton. Westminster is in tougher spot because St. Vincent or W&J is probably the best team they play but we have a voter from that conference so the Titans shouldn't be overlooked entirely. If only Thomas More we're still there. :)

On the men's poll, I would have voted Oshkosh over Swarthmore. I apparently would've been wrong. That's why I don't vote in that one. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 12, 2019, 11:40:52 PM
Gordon thanks for the explanation on the poll.I just wish I can see the top 25 from the beginning because I thought Scranton had more first place votes than the top two and why did it drop if that was the case.I thought Scranton had 9 first place vote or was I wrong?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 12, 2019, 11:51:02 PM
One other thing I see they have Hope with 4 1st place votes.I see where someone said well the kings,Wilkes,Marywoods of the world are not that great well did you see hope schedule really they played a team 5-1and Calvin 6-4 then they play like finladia.St Mary's etc so they really dont have a Schedule that is great.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 13, 2019, 12:22:26 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on December 12, 2019, 11:40:52 PM
Gordon thanks for the explanation on the poll.I just wish I can see the top 25 from the beginning because I thought Scranton had more first place votes than the top two and why did it drop if that was the case.I thought Scranton had 9 first place vote or was I wrong?

You can see each poll at the top of the current poll: https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2019-20/week3

Go to the top of the page and you will see the Preseason and Week 1, 2, etc. at the top.

Scranton had 8 first place votes in the preseason, dropped to 4 in the first in-season poll (2 1/2 weeks after the season "officially" began), and then increased to 6 first places votes.

Voters are allowed to change their minds and change who they think not only who the #1 team is in the country, but all 25 slots. I have changed my first place vote in a poll despite a team not losing. I felt another team was playing better than the one I had in the top slot. It happens.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 13, 2019, 12:24:25 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on December 12, 2019, 11:51:02 PM
One other thing I see they have Hope with 4 1st place votes.I see where someone said well the kings,Wilkes,Marywoods of the world are not that great well did you see hope schedule really they played a team 5-1and Calvin 6-4 then they play like finladia.St Mary's etc so they really dont have a Schedule that is great.

And Scranton has two more first place votes, 35 more points, and sits two slots above Hope. Overall the voters feel Scranton is better no matter what schedules are being argued about. You are trying to argue Hope's schedule isn't great as a "so what" to the Scranton schedule argument (by someone) ... when Scranton is well above Hope. I get the argument if the positions were flipped, but not in this case.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Roundball999 on December 13, 2019, 08:30:54 AM
Statistically Hope has played 63rd toughest schedule so far this season, in the middle of the pack for other top ranked teams but not that strong a schedule.  Scranton's schedule to date has been 125th. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 13, 2019, 08:45:38 AM
Quote from: Roundball999 on December 13, 2019, 08:30:54 AM
Statistically Hope has played 63rd toughest schedule so far this season, in the middle of the pack for other top ranked teams but not that strong a schedule.  Scranton's schedule to date has been 125th.

So, how is that toughest schedule computed? the NCAA SOS formula? won/loss record of opponents? otherwise, it would seem to be a chicken and egg thing - how to initially rank any 1 team in a schedule of opponents.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Roundball999 on December 13, 2019, 09:37:41 AM
Quote from: ronk on December 13, 2019, 08:45:38 AM
Quote from: Roundball999 on December 13, 2019, 08:30:54 AM
Statistically Hope has played 63rd toughest schedule so far this season, in the middle of the pack for other top ranked teams but not that strong a schedule.  Scranton's schedule to date has been 125th.

So, how is that toughest schedule computed? the NCAA SOS formula? won/loss record of opponents? otherwise, it would seem to be a chicken and egg thing - how to initially rank any 1 team in a schedule of opponents.

In this case I was referring to Massey data and algorithms.  We all know that system is far from perfect but at least its based only on data and fact rather than opinion and emotion.  I view it as just another talking point, just as the polls are only talking points.  In both cases the "accuracy" is very weak this time of the year.    Fortunately we have a tournament where it will all play out.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 13, 2019, 10:19:58 AM
Thanks Dave for the info on the top 25.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 13, 2019, 01:37:32 PM
Quote from: ronk on December 13, 2019, 08:45:38 AM
Quote from: Roundball999 on December 13, 2019, 08:30:54 AM
Statistically Hope has played 63rd toughest schedule so far this season, in the middle of the pack for other top ranked teams but not that strong a schedule.  Scranton's schedule to date has been 125th.

So, how is that toughest schedule computed? the NCAA SOS formula? won/loss record of opponents? otherwise, it would seem to be a chicken and egg thing - how to initially rank any 1 team in a schedule of opponents.

You seem to assume that schedule is the only thing voters are looking at. It is one component and not one I tend to look at in the preseason (outside of what kind of top teams might they face, but that still won't necessarily sway my vote). Once the season begins and we see how teams are playing, then we consider their schedules. We also consider when they might have some dumb luck and a team we all thought would be pretty good (Salem State men) ends up not being for a variety of reasons. However, Scranton has always scheduled rather easy teams in their immediate area. There are good and bad reasons for that, but it is going to be part of the conversation when it comes to: is an undefeated team really that good or a product of their schedule. I can't tell you how many times I look at an undefeated team, see they have played nothing but below .500 squads (or worse) and immediately decided I needed to wait on them for my poll or moving further up my poll. There is an argument that anyone that is half decent could go undefeated with a sub-par schedule.

As already mentioned, the SOS conversation here is clearly Massey based. I don't look at Massey this time of year. I don't think the data is solid enough to consider. Bob Quillman mentioned on Hoopsville Monday night that Massey admits the data isn't that great until about the 10th game (when last year's info is finally overcome). I think it is later, especially on the men's side, when the influence of a DIII playing a DI (despite it being an exhibition more times than not for DIII) is overcome. I also think Massey has a bias for whatever reason that favors more of the central part of the country (this could be that they play D1s more often, but I am not sure; it is over my head in terms of stuff I try and understand).

I personally look at a schedule and do the basics: what is the record of the opposition and what does that mean. I tend to know what those numbers mean and who the teams are. I think most of our voters have a similar appreciation. I will take a peak at Massey in mid-January just to see if I am mis-understanding or not appreciating something fully. But I also don't take the NCAA SOS and use that as a metric for a team. I don't think that is the entire picture when it comes to schedules and how strong or weak they may be.

There are only 25 slots for 440+ schools in Division III women's basketball. We are talking about ranking just 5.65% of the division. That compares to 7.2% in Division I. It isn't that easy to get into the Top 25. That means pollsters have to really dive deep and think hard about their selections.

We (Pat and Gordon primarily) do our darnedest to make sure our pollsters are ones who will take it seriously (unlike D1 coaches polls where a lot of head coaches let their assistants handle that "job"). Unless there are glaring reasons, we also don't like to interfere or tell them what they can or can't do, use, think about, etc. when putting their ballots together. The pollsters also are pretty fairly spread out and representative of DIII. That means they all see the division from different perspectives and not all think or see the same as others. We show that pretty well on Hoopsville Sunday nights as well, usually.

I do know that fans like to question and second-guess things, that's fine. I am just always amazed how myopic the thinking is sometimes.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 14, 2019, 12:02:32 AM
Dave I dont think it is only Scranton that plays easy teams in there immediate region.Me personally wish they get rid of that cross county(Kings,Wilkes)nothing against them teams.I would love to see Scranton,Amherst home away.We use to play Messiah that stopped,Cabrini that stopped.I think it is hard to get teams to come to Scranton just like it is probably like that at Amherst,Tufts,Hope etc
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 14, 2019, 01:41:36 AM
Yes sorry was side tracked 3 year old!But Dave it is not just Scranton that does that it is everyone!I just wanted to make that clear.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 14, 2019, 09:18:51 AM

Dave:

I don't think Tim & I were second guessing anyone, it was more to your comment regarding "questioning" things related to the poll.

Certainly not myopic when we're asking why schools such as Albright & Miseri (both undefeated & we don't have a horse in that race) are not receiving a single vote when other schools with 2, 3 & even 4 losses are.

By the way, if you can say Scranton's win at Desales was really not that big of a deal, then how do you view the Amherst defeat at home to a 4 loss Emmanuel team?

I'm sure Amherst will rebound from that (pun intended) without much difficulty but it still makes me wonder how teams with multiple losses against average teams continue to get votes while other teams meeting every challenge against similar squads get zip.

Beyond that, the only poll I truly care about is the final NCAA Regional one.

In the meantime, poll away...some will be happy, some not so much but the questions that come with each weekly update shouldn't be viewed as an annoyance, it simply means you have some readers paying attention.

When the questions stop, you may be wishing for the good old days.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 14, 2019, 04:58:33 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on December 14, 2019, 12:02:32 AM
Dave I dont think it is only Scranton that plays easy teams in there immediate region.Me personally wish they get rid of that cross county(Kings,Wilkes)nothing against them teams.I would love to see Scranton,Amherst home away.We use to play Messiah that stopped,Cabrini that stopped.I think it is hard to get teams to come to Scranton just like it is probably like that at Amherst,Tufts,Hope etc

I am quite positive that if Scranton called Amherst and wanted to set-up and home and home, GP will say yes before the request is fully complete ... or if emailed, he would be replying yes before reading the entire email. I've had him on Hoopsville several times in the last few years and he's talked rather openly about struggling to get teams to play the Mammoths - thus why they are at the D3hoops.com Classic a third time in a row. (I know we wanted Scranton and Amherst to play at the D3hoops.com Classic this season, but something came up that precluded that from happening; I just don't remember what, though it could have been that Scranton/DeSales was an already scheduled game and that plus travel plans may have been the reason ... but I can't remember.)

And Scranton may need to play a few more games on the road than just at Scranton to entice schools to start coming to Scranton in return. I can't speak, though, for why series against Messiah and others have disappeared.

Quote from: saratoga on December 14, 2019, 09:18:51 AM

Dave:

I don't think Tim & I were second guessing anyone, it was more to your comment regarding "questioning" things related to the poll.

Certainly not myopic when we're asking why schools such as Albright & Miseri (both undefeated & we don't have a horse in that race) are not receiving a single vote when other schools with 2, 3 & even 4 losses are.

By the way, if you can say Scranton's win at Desales was really not that big of a deal, then how do you view the Amherst defeat at home to a 4 loss Emmanuel team?

I'm sure Amherst will rebound from that (pun intended) without much difficulty but it still makes me wonder how teams with multiple losses against average teams continue to get votes while other teams meeting every challenge against similar squads get zip.

Beyond that, the only poll I truly care about is the final NCAA Regional one.

In the meantime, poll away...some will be happy, some not so much but the questions that come with each weekly update shouldn't be viewed as an annoyance, it simply means you have some readers paying attention.

When the questions stop, you may be wishing for the good old days.

I don't remember saying Scranton's win over DeSales wasn't a big deal. I believe what I was saying was it depends on who the voter is and how they have the teams ranked in their individuals ballots - as Gordon showed. So, if a voter has DeSales say 15-25, then it doesn't read to them as a win over a #9 team in the country at the time. They may not react as aggressively as a voter who has DeSales (clearly) in the Top 10. That voter(s) is likely to move Scranton either more aggressively upward OR they move DeSales down more aggressively ... again, based on how they interrupt that result based on their ballot. When a team is higher up, it is harder to be more aggressive with a team in a upward way. Easier to lower a team in those cases. But I am speculating how voters are possibly reacting without have any idea how they are voting - other than Gordon who has expressed specifically what his voting meant.

As for Amherst losing to Emmanuel - first, it's an apples to oranges comparison (Scranton winning; Amherst losing). Second, you are welcome to see how many points Scranton lost (outside of ALL of their 1st place votes) from one week to the other to show you how significant the voters shifted them. However, the Mammoths are still considered a top tier program (with Scranton, notice), so there is only going to be so far they fall on a first-time loss in a season especially to a pretty well established team like Emmanuel. No matter how many losses the Saints have, they are coached by Division III women's basketball all-time winningest coach. That isn't a fluke as Scranton fans would know.

BTW - if you didn't care about the D3hoops or WBCA polls, I'm surprised you have made so many comments about them. You ask a lot about the polls to then say you don't care about them - or that the only one you do care about is the Regional ones (which aren't polls; they are rankings ... difference is that NCAA/Division III mandates what metrics teams are to be measured by where as polls don't have those requirements).

I don't find the questions annoying. I find that sometimes the lack of interest in seeing outside of a narrow perspective exists. One will never understand a polls impact or how teams are slotted if only looking at it from one team's perspective. To best understand them and the movements, one has to look at not only a few other teams, but the entire 25 teams ranked in the poll, those not ranked in the poll including those not receiving votes. The same goes with regional rankings as well.

Gordon, myself, and sometimes Pat and Ryan will continue to always provide a national perspective. I just find it interesting when we provide those perspectives and they are either ignored or even told we are wrong. Please don't get me wrong, many don't take that approach, but we have been down this road before about the polls and rankings. There is a lot more going on than just what happens to Scranton or Amherst. :)

Trust me, I get it because I am answering the same questions every year about many things. But that is expected with a sport where fans come and go every few years on the very least. I just know many of you have been around far longer.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 14, 2019, 07:50:10 PM

Dave:

For the 50th. time, I'm not arguing one single thing for Scranton & your polls.

*I don't care if you rank the Lady Royal's 1st. or 21st. Just apply equal amounts of analytical data and common sense. Then, go do your polling.

*I do care that the voters get out of their comfort levels, do a little research & watch games of teams making some minor noise so they can see these schools first hand and distribute their votes more equitably.

*The schools I've advocated for (Albright & Miseri) have nothing in the world to do with the school & team I follow, so my myopic tendencies have been checked at the door. This is about making sure the folks you're asking to put this together are doing their homework.

*While your Top 25 is nice to check out, the Regional Rankings are all I truly care about as they will determine who is probably in the tournament & most importantly, who is hosting.

*There is a ton of basketball between Week 3 polling & the first Regional Ranking, inclusive of...injuries & illness, academic worries & transfers.
Let's see where we're at in February, till then, keep looking at all the kids & their respective schools playing this great game and if that's getting done, then the polls will be reflective.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 14, 2019, 08:56:22 PM
Dave what are you talking about Scranton needs to play more road games then just at Scranton.Dude Scranton plays more away games then home games.So please dont say Scranton plays alot of home games that is so false!I understand we are humans and yes there is bias in everyone even voters but that is okay and I saw it in a post just a couple days ago that I know is a voter!!!!But like i said we are humans and that is okay you will always have that in everyone and every polls rather that be basketball,football etc.They always lean toward the recognized teams it is done in D1,2,3!This is not a jab at you but we know it is true!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 15, 2019, 11:13:46 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on December 14, 2019, 08:56:22 PM
Dave what are you talking about Scranton needs to play more road games then just at Scranton.Dude Scranton plays more away games then home games.So please dont say Scranton plays alot of home games that is so false!I understand we are humans and yes there is bias in everyone even voters but that is okay and I saw it in a post just a couple days ago that I know is a voter!!!!But like i said we are humans and that is okay you will always have that in everyone and every polls rather that be basketball,football etc.They always lean toward the recognized teams it is done in D1,2,3!This is not a jab at you but we know it is true!!!

I am not saying they play too many home games. Not in the least. I'm saying that sometimes a way to entice a new (or former) team to play a new home-and-home series is to go on the road first. That's all I'm saying. Don't try and read in between lines or figure I'm saying something other than what I am. Just read my words. Sometimes a way to get a new team, especially a good one, to play another is to agree to go on the road to that team first. That is ALL I am saying.

And yes, voters like myself have indicated that sometimes when it comes down to a known versus an unknown that the known gets more weight. That isn't a hidden bias. But I don't think that is in play here. Scranton and Tufts are pretty well known. They both lost a key player; they both lost their head coach. All and all the voters know quite a lot about both teams, so the "known versus unknown" really isn't in play.

saratoga - I responded to a comment you made
Quote"By the way, if you can say Scranton's win at Desales was really not that big of a deal, then how do you view the Amherst defeat at home to a 4 loss Emmanuel team?"
... I then had some additional thoughts in general including my surprise for you to saying one thing
Quote"Beyond that, the only poll I truly care about is the final NCAA Regional one."
but then arguing you don't care.

You proved that you do care also by saying you want voters to get out of their comfort zone (if you look at teams being voted for and those new ones like UW-Platteville who have been in the poll this year, you will see they do get out of their comfort zone, do research.) ... though I do wonder ... how many teams do you watch around the country?

But more importantly ... if you make a comment on here and someone like myself has a different perspective or argument, it is going to be said. You can't than get mad at the person responding to your comments. I'm sorry if you don't like it or you insist on having the last word (a fault of mine I do try and do better with), but if you really aren't arguing about the poll ... stop posting comments about it and not expecting someone to respond with something different. This isn't an echo chamber.

And trust me ... to your last comment ... voters are doing just that. If voters weren't doing their jobs and we (Gordon on the women's side) thought they weren't voting respectively or with good effort ... they wouldn't be voting.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 15, 2019, 10:15:17 PM
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Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 17, 2019, 04:05:22 PM
https://uclabruins.com/news/2019/11/14/ucla-womens-basketball-signs-three-international-standouts.aspx


FYI.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 17, 2019, 05:06:06 PM

NEPA:

You're mining gold today. 

Now how did a legacy by the name of Bessoir slip by the Lady Royals?  ;)

Wonder if Billy's daughter has also mastered the art of the bank shot from anywhere on the court?

Great find, now see if you can come up with a 6'3" transfer from D-1.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 17, 2019, 07:47:19 PM
 Forgot about Bill overseas; my international scouting has been limited to Canada so far. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 17, 2019, 08:21:43 PM

Well, you need to earn your keep & bring down Danielle Robert of St. Catherine's School in Montreal.

She's about to sign D-1 so bring your "A" game.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on December 18, 2019, 12:15:54 PM
So I looked at this week's rankings.  What were the voters thinking dropping our beloved Lady Royals three whole points???  I demand a recount!

(Relax, everyone, I'm totally joking!)  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals81 on December 18, 2019, 02:23:52 PM
Was just getting ready to ask Dave and Gordon the same thing - before Saratoga, Ronk and Rofrog did!
If nothing else, we Lady Royal fans are obsessed with the details (and conspiracy theories). 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 18, 2019, 07:54:54 PM

So who's better suited to get to the bottom of this mystery of the missing points???

Do we bring Rudy Giuliani back from Kiev and get him snooping around with Lev or do we go Deep State with Peter Strzok & Lisa Page?

Serious times call for serious measures.  8-)

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 18, 2019, 07:57:28 PM

Maybe a few voters read this page and thought, "they doth protest too much?"
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 18, 2019, 08:55:28 PM

Kind of a unique spin on how D-3 voters approach their weekly game plan.

I don't like certain posters so down a vote you go!

Not sure the Landmark would even have a board if it relied on other schools.

*Moravian...I've never seen a post.
*Juniata...not in 4-5 years & even then, few & far between.
*Drew...perhaps a few in the last decade.
*Susquehanna...not in the past several years.
*Goucher...besides a certain someone, have never seen a word.
*E-town...never.
*Catholic...occasionally, especially after some nice wins.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 18, 2019, 10:01:18 PM
i was thinking that today, just change the names of both Landmark Boards to UofS.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 18, 2019, 10:40:03 PM
Quote from: saratoga on December 18, 2019, 08:55:28 PM

Kind of a unique spin on how D-3 voters approach their weekly game plan.

I don't like certain posters so down a vote you go!

Not sure the Landmark would even have a board if it relied on other schools.

*Moravian...I've never seen a post.
*Juniata...not in 4-5 years & even then, few & far between.
*Drew...perhaps a few in the last decade.
*Susquehanna...not in the past several years.
*Goucher...besides a certain someone, have never seen a word.
*E-town...never.
*Catholic...occasionally, especially after some nice wins.

Stay classy ...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 19, 2019, 01:07:29 AM

Well, I know I'll certainly try and do my part.

Can't say I can promise that for everyone.

However, the boys have been keeping the pinky up while sipping Earl Gray and they really have mastered the art of adding the clotted cream and strawberry jam to the chocolate/ginger scones.

Rofrog prefers champagne with his scones at high tea but we're working on that.  ;)

Cheers!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 19, 2019, 05:54:37 PM

Have a hunch the Lady Royals toughest test of the season thus far will be tonight.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 19, 2019, 08:41:06 PM

Never mind.  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 19, 2019, 08:56:43 PM
I dont want to be cocky but no way not even close!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 19, 2019, 09:21:41 PM
This team(L.R) is getting better and better every game!I am very happy with Dave's pick to bring in Coach Dipillo.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 20, 2019, 01:22:18 PM

Ro:

"No way not even close".

Why didn't you tell me that before the game not after it?

I could have relaxed a little more.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 20, 2019, 02:03:18 PM
Lmao read it late!!I have been saying since the start of the year. This team is better then last years.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 24, 2019, 10:49:51 AM
Merry Christmas all and good luck Lady Royals in Vegas,First time not going with the lady Royals on the Holiday trip in a very very long time!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 24, 2019, 12:43:43 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on December 24, 2019, 10:49:51 AM
Merry Christmas all and good luck Lady Royals in Vegas,First time not going with the lady Royals on the Holiday trip in a very very long time!!!

Sounds like a ban from Vegas for winning too much at the tables.   ;)

Merry Christmas, rofrog!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 25, 2019, 12:20:56 AM
No have to go in for reconstructive knee surgery!Like I told Nepafan this is the most games I have missed since the middle 80s.Ronk hopefully I can get to games after the New Year-So will see u in DC and many more.I will definetly have the surgery held up until after the season-very tough for me to walk but I'm sick of staying home and missing my Ladies lol.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 28, 2019, 08:40:45 PM
Not a good way to start in Vegas .Very lazy passing and I dont know what the hell your throwing up 28 footers with a full clock.No discipline what so ever on this team sorry the truth.This is the worse I have seen these ladies in the last 4 years very slow not hustling at all!!!!

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 28, 2019, 08:53:15 PM
On the bright side, they fought hard after a first quarter where George Fox went nuts from three. That's the Bruins' game -- length, defensive pressure and lots of threes.

Good game between two really good teams.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 28, 2019, 09:55:47 PM
Sofia at 6-2 should be dominating for some reason she is not.I know it is only one loss but man gunning is not the game.They meaning the bigs are sucking air and no way in hell down 5 you put up a 28 footer with the whole  shot clock.I can see once but many occasions no way!!!No excuses I understand first year but sometimes you need discipline and Trevor was good on that and he would have set up a play not bombs away!!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on December 29, 2019, 08:30:11 AM
After that dreadful first quarter, the Lady Royals really clamped down defensively.  I thought that they pressured the ball well and forced George Fox out of their rhythm. 

They cut the lead from 15 to 7 in the 2nd quarter before giving up a 3 that ended their momentum.  They cut the lead from 12 to 5 in the 3rd quarter before giving up a big 3. And they cut the lead from 9 to 4 in the 4th quarter before (you guessed it!) giving up a 3. 

I agree with RoFrog that the Lady Royals (one player in particular) chucked up too many bad threes, and even some of their better looks weren't falling.  Certainly credit George Fox with playing strong defense that kept the Lady Royals off balance.  But despite that they worked to give themselves a chance to win it. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 29, 2019, 09:33:27 AM

I've been concerned about this new run & gun style of play since the beginning.

See posts of Nov. 25th. & Dec. 4th. (threads 118 & 119).

When you play teams like Wilkes, Marywood & Rosemont as well as a few others a step above them, it's easy to think this offense is getting it done.

However, start playing better teams and they will welcome one dumb shot after another.

This offense is virtually eliminating offensive rebounds and second chance shots, it's taking away advantages we secure in the post because instead of the extra pass going in, someone is firing up a rushed 3 pointer from another county.

This team was built on a half court set offense playing inside/out.

I understand the new coach wants to add his style but you need to have the type of kids that requires to pull it off & sorry, MM & SR are being taken out of their natural games by this semi-organized pickup game offense.

It's also leading to other players that are truly good pure shooters when their feet are set taking far too many rushed shots off the dribble which is working against them.

It's almost like a baseball manager that inherits a team built for hitting home runs and playing for the big inning with slow, lumbering players & his preference is playing small ball & now he wants them stealing bases, bunting & playing hit & run.

It may work for a while but over the course of the season, you'll end up running yourself out of more games than you'll win.

This team has gone from an offense that used nearly 20 plus seconds on the clock and valuing each possession to now firing up air balls from all
over the court.

Perhaps next year the coach will have the kids that can flourish in this offensive scheme, right now, I see players that are missing open teammates, rushed shots when there is no need, and the importance of working for a better shot no longer valued.

Running when the opportunities are there is an important part of any offense...so is finding the open player and taking smart, high percentage shots.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on December 30, 2019, 05:24:01 PM
Nice win Lady Royals in Vegas,Just looked over the past 12 games,We are getting outscored in the 4th almost every game except 3 I think.Just like today up 19 and St Vincent closed it to 6 for the final score.Like i said early the bigs are sucking air at the end.I think coa ch needs to look at that and ask why are teams outscoring us in the 4th.Your going to meet a team that is going to end your season in that quarter.We need to play 4 quarters!!!Happy New Year all and safe travels Ladies...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 31, 2019, 06:41:27 PM
Gordon,
Nice interview with Scranton's Emily Shaffer in Vegas; Emily proved to be a good interviewee with her comments wrt to her participation in the new coach hiring process @ Scranton - what was important to the players on 1 hand and the prospective coach on the other.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 02, 2020, 11:33:56 AM
Ronk:

Thanks, Emily was a good interview participant. Coaching changes ended up being the theme of our interviews since four of the teams at the Classic (Scranton, George Fox, MSOE, Claremont) had them. The Claremont players participated in the coach selection process, as did the George Fox players.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 02, 2020, 12:11:49 PM
who is she, if you don't mind me asking.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 02, 2020, 01:12:22 PM

NEPA:

My guess is that Ronk meant to say Emily Sheehan & instead typed Shaffer.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 02, 2020, 03:54:46 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 02, 2020, 01:12:22 PM

NEPA:

My guess is that Ronk meant to say Emily Sheehan & instead typed Shaffer.

That's right; just a senior moment.  ::)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 07, 2020, 09:02:13 PM
Saratoga our private message thru text messaging was spot on my friend about the top 25 womens poll!!!!Well done we should become voters lol!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 07, 2020, 11:12:44 PM
I'll let you know when there's an opening. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 08, 2020, 12:37:08 AM
Thanks Gordon but I would admit I have to much bias for my Lady Royals!But thanks
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 08, 2020, 01:00:31 AM
 A little something on a Lady Royals' commit(Allie Lynch); saw her AAU team play only early in her AAU season, before she committed, so didn't get to concentrate on her in July when her team went elsewhere for tourneys

https://papreplive.com/2020/01/06/academy-of-notre-dames-allie-lynch-is-main-line-girls-athlete-of-the-week/
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 08, 2020, 10:20:26 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on January 08, 2020, 12:37:08 AM
Thanks Gordon but I would admit I have to much bias for my Lady Royals!But thanks

First step is admitting you have a problem!  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 08, 2020, 10:52:45 PM

Ro:

I'll believe the powers to be are listening to the voices of reason when they finally rank Albright.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 08, 2020, 11:09:03 PM
They are the last undefeated-but-unranked team standing after Williams and Smith lost last night. Good game on Saturday when they host Widener. If they win that, I agree they should be ranked.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 09, 2020, 12:35:02 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on January 08, 2020, 11:09:03 PM
They are the last undefeated-but-unranked team standing after Williams and Smith lost last night. Good game on Saturday when they host Widener. If they win that, I agree they should be ranked.

Albright has a very good post player(Dejah Terrell); she's going to be a factor for many years.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Roundball999 on January 09, 2020, 05:51:45 AM
Probably unranked due to an extremely weak schedule to date.  Massey has their SoS so far at #253, which is at least 100 spots lower than anyone ranked ahead of them.  Massey puts their ranking at #37, one spot behind Widener.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 11, 2020, 07:05:58 PM
What happened today?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on January 11, 2020, 07:22:02 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 11, 2020, 07:05:58 PM
What happened today?

What little I caught online was that Scranton's zone was pretty ineffective.  E-Town moved the ball around with ease and patience until they got (and usually hit) the open shot.  #22 in particular didn't seem to miss, but E-Town as a whole totally outplayed them.

Even as bad as the Royals' defense was, they were in this game but each time they had the opportunity to put in the dagger, they seemed to force up a rushed shot and never could get the big stop on the other end.

It was a bad loss for the Royals and a missed opportunity to move up in the rankings with Wartburg's loss.  Hopefully they can regroup.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 11, 2020, 08:47:04 PM
My Question is-Why stay in the zone 3/4   of the game?This team really needs a check along w/coach-You have a 5-6 team coming into your house and you miss layups after layup,throw aways not caused by defense but no discipline.Trevor was tough and the girls responded.You need some discipline and defense to win! Bad loss
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 11, 2020, 09:17:05 PM

No energy, no passion, no sense of urgency all day.

Not just a bad loss, it's a really bad loss.

This team (E-town) just got pummeled by 30 points at home Monday evening & the lady Royals played from the start like they were the second coming of Rosemont.

Watch the video of this game...their offense is absolutely stagnant...people just standing around while the ball goes bounce, bounce, bounce. Can't remember the last time I saw multiple crisp passes leading to a score.

It's a team that offensively does not know who they are right now.
Are we a run & gun team or are we trying to add half court sets into the playbook?

The Lady Royals had 14 more shots from the field but it certainly didn't help that most were not high percentage.

Meanwhile, besides blistering a slow reacting Scranton zone, E-town also found their way into the paint & shot about 14 more free throws.

This team is regressing & he better find triage soon as both Moravian & Catholic are licking their chops right now.

Meanwhile....down at Bucknell, Trevor has his completely underclass team at 11-4 & they are now 4-0 in the Patriot with a win this afternoon at Holy Cross.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 11, 2020, 09:59:39 PM
It is just mind blowing,Like you said Toga who the hell scouts these teams?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 11, 2020, 10:11:44 PM
Discipline is key to all teams success.I was looking at the Box Score.Why the hell are the bigs throwing up 3pointers when they should practice on making layups and that is when Discipline comes into play!Forgive my rant but this team should be way better then they play and Seniors should know that.Maybe time for some changes in the lineup are warranted.SMH
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 12, 2020, 10:28:28 AM

Just took a look at the stats from last seasons Landmark Championship game vs. E-town (which was played by essentially all the same players) and the culprits of yesterdays loss jump off the page.

Lack of Defense
Lack of Defense and, Lack of Defense.

In last seasons title game, the Lady Royals held E-town to 18 of 57 shooting (31%) and 2 of 10 behind the arc (20%).

Yesterday, they allowed E-town to shoot almost uncontested 27 of 53 (51%) and 10 of 21 from 3 point land (47%).

Last year the Lady Royals shot 29 of 68 for 42% and yesterday it was 28 of 67 for, you guessed it, 42%.

In last seasons title game the Lady Royals scored 68 points but their defense held E-town to 48.

Yesterday, the lady Royals shoot virtually exactly the same (70 points) yet defensively, they allow 30 more points.

One other tidbit...in last years championship game, they got the ball inside to Sophia for 17 shots & she put up 22 points.
Yesterday, she only got 11 touches.

Also, Mason has to get involved on drives & short range jump shots early to get her into the flow of the game.

Once she starts off with 3 pointers that miss, she won't shoot again for 5 minutes at a clip.

Get some motion to this offense, there will be open shots...this bombs away stuff is maddening.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 12, 2020, 11:13:43 AM
 I would think the Lady Royals will challenge E-town man-to-man the next time. Lydia Lawson and Angie Hawkins are very good athletically but none of their 5 are a threat driving with their off-hand. Only 3 weeks til the next installment @ E-town.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 14, 2020, 09:45:49 AM
Wow, how do you lose to E-town?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 14, 2020, 10:52:47 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on January 14, 2020, 09:45:49 AM
Wow, how do you lose to E-town?

They've lost @ home to E-town 3 of the last 4 years; Coach Holt is very good; a better question is how did E-town lose to York by 28 earlier in the week?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 14, 2020, 06:47:42 PM

How'd they lose to E-town?

Looks like equal parts poor game plan, slow reaction to adjust said poor game plan & poor execution of defensive/offensive schemes.

Other than that.......















/
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 14, 2020, 10:18:43 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 14, 2020, 06:47:42 PM

How'd they lose to E-town?

Looks like equal parts poor game plan, slow reaction to adjust said poor game plan & poor execution of defensive/offensive schemes.

Other than that......., Mrs. Lincoln, How did u like the play?















/
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 15, 2020, 06:59:11 PM

Which Lady Royal teams shows up this evening?

The one that went to last years Final Four or the one that couldn't stop E-town's perimeter game?

Can Sophia slow down Ewald as she's done in all the previous meetings over 3 years?

Will he get back to man and put Emily on M. Capuano?

Can our projected All-American get untracked?

Can relentless Lady Royal pressure wear down a team not exceptionally deep?

Will the Royals get their shooting touch back?

If the answers are mostly yes, we win.

If mostly no...that won't be good.

We'll know soon enough.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 15, 2020, 08:37:09 PM
First like the move coach made tonight!!!Maybe just maybe Seniors realize they need to play every game.Second great win and Thank you for the underclass for getting us that lead a bright future ahead!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 15, 2020, 09:12:35 PM

The Lady Royals start 4 freshmen & a sophomore and sit 4 seniors.

The kids didn't miss a beat.

Coach is clearly saying...you want to play, then play hard & play smart.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 15, 2020, 09:53:28 PM
 Amazing Christ scores 8pts tonight talk about shooting a load!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 15, 2020, 10:40:03 PM
Saratoga would you keep Quigley in the lineup ?Also this would be my lineup-Quigley,Mason,Sheehan,Angellini and Shurina or have Shurina come off the bench and put Monahan in point
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 15, 2020, 11:38:20 PM
I realize they don't play in this conference, but holy moly is Dejah Terrell a beast for Albright. Ronk mentioned her below and she's really impressive.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 18, 2020, 05:58:06 PM
Again team was sleeping first quarter 21-8.Hey coach team needs to be ready from the start terrible!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 18, 2020, 07:12:52 PM

This Lady Royal team is headed for unchartered territory...winning the conference is clearly in doubt.

They look lost, they play lost, & I have never seen the regression of so many seniors that were once highly confidant and skilled players as this season.

Defensively, they are not contesting each shot with the determination and purpose with which they have always played and offensively, they are a train wreck.

Three turnovers in the last minute alone when only down 1...never were able to get even a decent shot off before turnoveritis clocks them again.

Not sure what's going on but this team better regroup & fast. There's still time but.......

Meanwhile down at Bucknell........

Trevor & the Lady Bison win again 71-50 at Lehigh in a battle of Patriot League unbeaten teams.

Bucknell is now 6-0 in the Patriot & they are holding league teams to an average of 44 ppg.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 18, 2020, 07:31:29 PM
Sitting in the hotel room and just asking myself-What happened to this team?Same team from last year minus Mann.They played 18 games without her so why is this team so bad-is it the Coach?Does he have no clue what defense is I mean (They are losing girls on the defensive side wide open 3 etc ,first quarters are killing this team and it looks like they have some really bad habits that are not getting corrected).Seriously They have lost more games in conference play this year then the past 4 years or tied with still 10 to go.Maybe just maybe he needs to have the starters come off the bench that team against Moraivian won that game not the starters.Something is wrong and hopefully Coach corrects it fast!Maybe Ronk was at the game and can shed light on it!!All I can say is smh
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 18, 2020, 08:36:44 PM
 Catholic has defeated the Lady Royals in 2 of the last 3 years, so nothing new there. Catholic played very aggressive defense using 11 players with a couple of others(at least 1 starter) out with injuries. On Lady Royals' baseline drives in the final mins, they stole the pass to the opposite corner twice; I credit that to their defense.
  The Lady Royals should be able to get off good shots in the final minute; the absence of a 1-on-1 player warrants a set play for a good shot.
  I agree there was too much room given to their 3-pt shooters. That, and the 13 turnovers in the 1st half, mostly in the 1st quarter, was too much to overcome.
  They're learning that they need effort and execution to win this year w/o Bridgette.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 18, 2020, 08:46:39 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on January 18, 2020, 07:31:29 PM
Sitting in the hotel room and just asking myself-What happened to this team?Same team from last year minus Mann.They played 18 games without her so why is this team so bad-is it the Coach?Does he have no clue what defense is I mean (They are losing girls on the defensive side wide open 3 etc ,first quarters are killing this team and it looks like they have some really bad habits that are not getting corrected).Seriously They have lost more games in conference play this year then the past 4 years or tied with still 10 to go.Maybe just maybe he needs to have the starters come off the bench that team against Moraivian won that game not the starters.Something is wrong and hopefully Coach corrects it fast!Maybe Ronk was at the game and can shed light on it!!All I can say is smh


Glad you are mobile. Sorry I missed the crew.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 18, 2020, 09:17:41 PM
Another year  we missed each other again.Next year we will not!!!At Goucher or Catholic
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 18, 2020, 09:44:46 PM
Ronk does Coach preach Defense.Same team different results with Coach this year?4th quarter Sheehan wasnt sure what defense they were in.It looked like alot of confusion from this veteran team!Me-personally see no leadership coming from not one of the seniors!Totally a very different team then what went to the final four.Also alot of turnovers that are not improving they average about 21 a game and that needs to be fixed.I think the lineup needs to be tweaked-This team like Saratoga said is in trouble and needs discipline.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 23, 2020, 11:52:04 AM
It was nice to see just 7 Turnovers compared to 21last night and not going down by 15 in the first quarter!Also congrats to Mason on 1000pts!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 26, 2020, 02:55:02 PM
So last night Coach did something I would have!He sat the starters and put 4 Freshman and 1 Soph in the 2nd half and just like Moravian game them kids played w/passion,determination etc.I went back to last years games and the seniors as juniors played w/the passion,determination you saw from the Fr last night.I havent seen that from the seniors in one game yet!That tough gritty defense,Mason hitting the 10ft baseline jumper,Sophia playing tough underneath and Emily and Lily playing that tough nose defense and not letting there lead scorer shoot well,Havent seen this team gel and maybe they need to get real close because every game you play this year is your last.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 27, 2020, 01:01:00 AM
Gordan Mann-Question for you and the voters.Will you ever knock Amherst out of the top 10?They have 3 losses granted one to the number 1 team on Amherst home court but they still lost and two against 12-6 teams one home and away.I understand it didnt take you guys long to knock Scranton out of the top ten but come on- it seems like Nepafan says the nescac is held to the ultimate high standards in men and women.But come on they have 3 losses 2 at home and one away to some okay teams and no 1 team in the nation!Definety need to be dropped quick I understand we will hear the excuses like they only lost by one it doesnt matter it is still in L.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 27, 2020, 08:50:53 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on January 27, 2020, 01:01:00 AM
it doesnt matter it is still in L.

No offense, but this is dead wrong.  It's not a list of teams who have good records - it's a prediction of how likely teams are to win the title.  Losses matter, but context matters more.  Amherst should drop because of that loss, but not because they loss, because they lost to a team they had no business playing a close game with.  I think your overall argument is sound (that they should drop), but the whole "a loss is a loss" doesn't hold water.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 27, 2020, 12:44:48 PM
In addition to Ryan's point, I would also push back on your assertion that the voters were quick to push Scranton out of the top 10 -- they were not, considering that they waited until after the third loss in five games to do so.

I'm going to guess that voters are not going to look the same at Amherst's three losses, one to the No. 1 team, one at a 12-6 team and another in November -- as they look at Scranton's losses, all since Christmas and one at home to a 9-7 team.

Amherst will certainly lose a lot of votes. But UW-Whitewater, Wartburg and Loras, all right beneath Amherst, also lost this week, and that will affect where they all land.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 27, 2020, 02:49:30 PM
Ryan are you telling me a loss means nothing.Maybe in your poll but in Regionals it means alot!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 27, 2020, 02:52:00 PM
Yes pat Elizebethtown every year we lose to them at least once! But Hamilton lost to a 6-11 team and Emmanuel lost to a 9-9 team
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 27, 2020, 02:58:58 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on January 27, 2020, 02:52:00 PM
Yes pat Elizebethtown every year we lose to them at least once! But Hamilton lost to a 6-11 team and Emmanuel lost to a 9-9 team

You did last year. Of course, last year Elizabethtown was 19-7, so ...

Quote from: Rofrog on January 27, 2020, 02:52:00 PM
But Hamilton lost to a 6-11 team and Emmanuel lost to a 9-9 team

I would never put Emmanuel or Hamilton on my ballot, so we are good.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 27, 2020, 05:37:02 PM
No but they did beat a team that is in Amherst.So if Scranton losing to a team 9-7is bad then losing to a team that is 12-6 that lost to a 6-11 and 9-9 is also bad.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 27, 2020, 06:06:08 PM
So you win two games and still drop.You go one and one to mediocre teams and drop from 5th to 8th or 7th to 10th.I would love to meet the voters and actually see what schools they represent.Regional Ranking will be out and hopefully they tell a different story.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 27, 2020, 06:12:37 PM
Each voter only has 4% of the vote -- if you are hanging your argument on "voters be biased for their schools" then you're kind of ignoring the facts.

Regional rankings can still have Scranton as No. 1 in the region and we can have them No. 16 in the country -- and both can be accurate. Our Top 25 poll has Scranton as the top team from its region. The Northeast Regional poll in two weeks could have Amherst as the No. 3 team in the region, but that doesn't say anything about where they are in the country.

You are way missing the point.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 27, 2020, 06:50:02 PM
Pat I truly understand that but Scranton lost to No 9 then GF,They lost to a 9-7 team Etown and a13-3 Cathoic team and they went from 597 down to 221Amherst lost to Emmanuel12-6 who also had some bad losses,No 1 Tufts and Hamilton at 12-6  who had some ugly loses also and went from 600 to 402 how do you explain that!So why did one team drop say 350why the other dropped by 198?This is not a hit but how do you justify and on top one team wins 2 games and drops in the polls instead of climbing  because some team lost in front while the other teams went 1-1 on the week and barely nudged even though they have 3 losses?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 27, 2020, 07:11:16 PM

Ro:

Stanky's Fish Fry & Beer Garden in Nescopeck has the Lady Royal's 8th this week in their weekly poll.

You can subscribe to their poll with 4 easy clicks.

It's been around for years and they've picked the Final Four teams in 8 out of the last 10 years.

For what it's worth to you, at the very least I think you'll find it far less frustrating than trying to make sense of some of the other ones out there.

By the way, they have Hope at number 1, Tufts 2 & Bowdoin at 3.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 27, 2020, 08:00:55 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on January 27, 2020, 02:49:30 PM
Ryan are you telling me a loss means nothing.Maybe in your poll but in Regionals it means alot!

I'm saying a loss doesn't mean any one thing.  Losses mean something, but what they mean is entirely dependent on circumstance.

To me, the best example is the Mt Union - Marrietta men's game that happened last week.  Marietta shot like 30% from the field and UMU shot 70% - it was a huge blowout in a conference game and it does affect how we view both teams, but not as much as the score would indicate.  If you play that game 100 times, there's not a single other time the outcome looks like it did - those are fluky numbers both ways.

I'd say the two unusual Amherst losses are properly reflected in their current #8 ranking.  It's a team with #1 talent and a couple head-scratching performances.  No one is going to fault them much for an OT loss to Tufts, because Tufts is Tufts.  That loss certainly means something different than the other two - even you have to agree with that!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 27, 2020, 08:21:28 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 27, 2020, 12:44:48 PM
Amherst will certainly lose a lot of votes. But UW-Whitewater, Wartburg and Loras, all right beneath Amherst, also lost this week, and that will affect where they all land.

Rofrog, I've pulled this sentence out of one of my previous posts. It definitely impacts what happened with Amherst this week.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 27, 2020, 09:33:33 PM
Question Ryan how many games have you watched of Scranton women and Amherst?How many more games have you watched in the nescac compared to the landmark men and women?I'm just curious because everytime Amherst loses it is oh its not your  average basketball year or it was a fluke.I can say that about Scranton I except that they lost I dont make excuses, this is the second time I heard you defend Amherst losing!Personally I hope you dont vote because you show your bias everytime! I question such a fact about Amherst dropping because they have 3 losses,Wartburg 3 losses Chicago which
has3 losses Teams went 1-1 Scranton went 2-0 why did Scranton drop three weeks ago 597today 221why?Amherst 600 today 401 why did 3 teams not drop much but one slid 376 points while Amherst dropped a whopping 198 and Wartburg Why?Just explain 398 compared to 198 and winning two games not picking up points but losing more and other teams losing and dropping 3 pts why is that?I always hear about the points I'm focused on the points,I would like to know what warrants one team to drop almost 400 pts in 3 weeks why other drop198 or less?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2020, 11:12:24 PM
How many games have you watched of Amherst? Of the rest of the NESCAC? Of Wartburg, or Loras, or UWW, or the rest of the nation?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Roundball999 on January 28, 2020, 05:26:23 AM
This may have something to do with it: strength of schedule, games played to date, 1st number Massey Sos rating, 2nd number NCAA SoS rating:

Wartburg 7, 64
Amherst 21, 1
Chicago 30, 53
Scranton 141, 114

Some disparities between the two methods but trend is pretty clear.  Most importantly, it is the 2nd number that is one of the NCAA's primary selection criteria for the tournament.  But regional considerations are also very important.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 28, 2020, 10:01:58 AM
Ryan I watch alot I've been following the game since 1978.Ive been following the Royals men and women since then I missed one final four of the mens and one of the womens.I guess you couldn't answer the question so you asked me.Yes I watch alot of games thanks to d3hoops see back in the days we would have to look at the paper just to get scores so yes we are spoiled with Pat's d3hoops program!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 28, 2020, 10:10:57 AM
I doubt they use sos!If that was the case why was Scranton ranked 3rd?Nobody explained it yet why one team has 3 losses and drops 400 pts but team b,c loses 195 and they have 3 losses also why is the two team s superior over an other.You think Scranton would get the nod because they went to the final four last year and brought 4 of 5 starters back.It is every year you give Amherst the upper hand and your afraid to move them out.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 28, 2020, 10:22:21 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on January 28, 2020, 10:10:57 AM
I doubt they use sos!If that was the case why was Scranton ranked 3rd?Nobody explained it yet why one team has 3 losses and drops 400 pts but team b,c loses 195 and they have 3 losses also why is the two team s superior over an other.You think Scranton would get the nod because they went to the final four last year and brought 4 of 5 starters back.It is every year you give Amherst the upper hand and your afraid to move them out.

Hi, Rofrog -- this will be my last attempt to try to get you to read my comment, so I hope you do pay attention.

Quote from: Rofrog on January 28, 2020, 10:10:57 AM
Nobody explained it yet why one team has 3 losses and drops 400 pts but team b,c loses 195 and they have 3 losses also why is the two team s superior over an other.

1. Scranton's three losses and Amherst's three losses are not the same. Not all losses are the same -- just because they have the same total of losses, doesn't mean they are the same losses.

2. Amherst lost, but so did UW-Whitewater, Loras and Wartburg, all in the same part of the poll. You can't just look at one team's results and determine where they will end up in the next poll, because that is also affected by all the teams around them and their results as well.

Quote from: Rofrog on January 28, 2020, 10:10:57 AM
You think Scranton would get the nod because they went to the final four last year and brought 4 of 5 starters back.

They didn't bring back the coach, though. That is also a significant factor that the voters do not gloss over as easily as you do.

Quote from: Rofrog on January 28, 2020, 10:10:57 AM
It is every year you give Amherst the upper hand and your afraid to move them out.

Every year, other than last year, the voters are proven right by this. Scranton has been to one Final Four in 10 years, while Amherst has been to seven and has won three titles. Which of those two teams should voters have more general confidence in, especially considering that G.P. Gromacki is still at Amherst?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 28, 2020, 11:57:03 AM
QuoteStanky's Fish Fry & Beer Garden in Nescopeck has the Lady Royal's 8th this week in their weekly poll.

You can subscribe to their poll with 4 easy clicks.

It's been around for years and they've picked the Final Four teams in 8 out of the last 10 years.

You can also subscribe to get the poll via fax machine, like I did. Comes with coupons for half-off deals on French Fry Fridays 

Here's what the Stanky Top 25 looks like this week

1. Scranton
2. King's
3. Misericordia
4. Lackawanna Junior  College
5. Marywood
6. Keystone
7. Wilkes
8. Clarks Summitt
9. Penn State-Scranton
10. Penn State-Wilkes Barre
11. Penn State-Hazleton
12. Penn State-Hazle Barre
13. Scranton JV
14. King's JV
15. Misericordia JV
16. Tufts
17. Luzerne County Community College - Nanticoke Branch
18. Scranton Varsity (this time only shooting with off hand)
19. King's Varsity (this time playing blind folded)
20. Misericordia Varsity (this time playing while wearing roller skates)
21. <Can't read this one -- Fax machines are kind of old technology>
22. Thomas More
23. Royals with Cheese (Top Women's Intramural team at Scranton)
24. Long live the Queen (Top Women's Intramural team at King's)
25. Misery loves Three's Company (Top Women's Intramural team at Misericordia

Also receiving votes: Amherst; George Fox
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 28, 2020, 02:13:39 PM
Well Pat if it had to do with new coach why rank them 3rd .Cmon them excuses do not hold water for the question I asked because Tufts also has a  new Head Coach.My question is why did one team with 3 losses lose 387 or so points for 3 losses mind you them teams behind Amherst lost while Scranton won and still dropped but back to the question Scranton loses 387 or more points while Amherst,Wartburg only lost 197 or so points how do you configure that?Why is it that lopsided? Scranton lost to GF still ranked Amherst lost to Emmanuel not ranked,Scranton losses to Etown 9-7 Amherst lost to No.1 Tufts Scranton losses to Catholic 13-3 and Amherst lost to Hamilton 12-6 another bad loss.So if your saying because they held in tight with the number one team we shouldn't punish them(Okay I give you a little lead way on that) But losing to Emmanuel and Hamilton is not a good loss just like Scranton losing to Etown is not a good loss.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 28, 2020, 02:17:11 PM
There's a Top 25 board with a lot of intelligent discussion about the poll. Maybe try there. Here's a sample:

Quote from: scottiedawg on January 28, 2020, 12:04:17 PM
Biggest vote gainers
+80, Bethel, beat Carleton (.353 WP, 118th NCAA SOS), beat Hamline (.688 WP, 232nd NCAA SOS)
+79, Whitman, beat Whitworth (.545 WP, 250 NCAA SOS), beat Linfield (.500 WP, 103 NCAA SOS)
+67, Trinity TX, beat Texas Lutheran (.375 WP, 252 NCAA SOS), beat Southwestern (.250 WP, 152 NCAA SOS)
+45, Chicago, beat NYU (.813 WP, 15 NCAA SOS), beat Brandeis (.750 WP, 43 NCAA SOS) WOW, great week!
+42, Transylvania, beat Mt. St. Joseph (.294 WP, 348 NCAA SOS), beat Anderson (.267 WP, 256 NCAA SOS)  Not sure how you look at Chicago's week and Transylvania's week and think they deserve the same number more votes. (granted, Chicago's % increase in votes is much higher)
+34, Oglethorpe, beat Millsaps (.450 WP, 265 NCAA SOS), beat Birmingham Southern (.650 WP, 266 NCAA SOS)
+33, UW-LaCrosse, beat UW-Stout (.647 WP, 87 NCAA SOS), beat UW-Eau Claire (.588 WP, 20 NCAA SOS)
+28, Mary Hardin-Baylor
+27, St. Thomas
+19, John Carroll
+18, DePauw
+10, Simpson

Biggest vote losers
-110, Amherst, beat Williams (.737 WP, 12 NCAA SOS), lost at Hamilton (.667 WP, 48 NCAA SOS)
-86, Baldwin Wallace, lost at John Carroll (.882 WP, 204 NCAA SOS), beat Marietta (.471 WP, 22 NCAA SOS)
-75, Loras, beat Coe (.588 WP, 86 NCAA SOS), lost to Luther (.563 WP, 9 NCAA SOS)
-66, UW-Whitewater
-66, Wartburg
-15, Misericordia
-14, Illinois Wesleyan
-11, Cortland
-11, Pacific
-10, Austin

Amherst lost 21% of their votes.
Bethel gained 21% of their votes.

I would definitely still argue that the optics of a loss drop teams a LOT in the poll. And that a large reason teams increase in votes is merely because others are dropping because of losses. Which absolutely means that winning twice against meh teams is treated better than winning once against a good team and losing once to a "good to meh" team on the road.

I feel like if Whitman and BW started the week with the same number of votes, and Whitman beat Linfield, and BW lost to John Carroll, that I wouldn't move them at all. Is that putting too much stock in "having merely played a good team?"

As a thought experiment, I bet most would say that losing to the #1 team is better than (i.e. you should gain votes in the polls relative to) beating the worst team.  At some point though, you'd switch. What's your line?  Off the top of my head losing to a top 100 team == beating a bottom 250 team. I bet everyone's would differ.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 28, 2020, 02:28:18 PM
Pat one other thing about final fours.I think Scranton leads in most appearance in final fours also 10,plus how many time they appeared in the Tournament (Ncaa)also.So Scranton has a rich history in women and mens basketball.I know you would like to think d3 basketball started when your program started but it started way before that!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 28, 2020, 02:49:28 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on January 28, 2020, 02:28:18 PM
Pat one other thing about final fours.I think Scranton leads in most appearance in final fours also 10,plus how many time they appeared in the Tournament (Ncaa)also.So Scranton has a rich history in women and mens basketball.I know you would like to think d3 basketball started when your program started but it started way before that!

Sure. But those games are not really relevant to a modern Top 25 voter. One appearance in the last 13 Final Fours is more relevant. One in the last four, compared to three for Amherst, an even tighter time frame.

And, really, I don't like to think that at all. You don't need to put words in my mouth. I've made tens of thousands of posts -- feel free to stick with the words I've actually said.

Here's the actual data. Women's final four appearances, Division III history:
Washington U. 10
Scranton 9
Amherst 8
St. Thomas 7
I think after that, we have Capital and Hope with 5 apiece.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 28, 2020, 03:43:21 PM
No Pat they had Ten final fours!I believe one  was with The AIAW which became NCAA!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 28, 2020, 04:11:10 PM
OK -- we'll add the AIAW one from pre-1982 to the list.

If that's all you have to add and no further reaction to the number of facts presented here, I think we're done.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 28, 2020, 04:48:34 PM
Pat I asked Gordon since he was the voter fron the ladies side.All I wanted to know and first I got my first answer from Ryan how many games have you watched of the last Royals or nescac compared to landmark he never answered it he asked that same question to me I'm not a voter he is!So never heard an answer which is very odd coming from a voter in the top 25!The question I asked was directed at Gordon since I know Gordon handles the women.So my question was directed toward him until you and Ryan added to it.But I still didnt get my answer besides well new coach and this dont hold water or Amherst has been there before so i rebuttled it with Scrantons 10 apperances and probably the most Ncaa apperance also(I only brought that up because of that argument that had nothing to do to explain the 200pts difference)  my Question is for Gordon how does a team with 3 losses lose 397 pts and others with the same losses lose197that is 200 pts different it is not like Scranton lost to a 6-11 team they have a winning record.Why the 200 pt difference.It is a legit question?But I understand if you have no answer!



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 28, 2020, 04:50:09 PM
I am also a women's Top 25 voter and ran both polls for about 20 years, but we will make sure Gordon answers your question.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 28, 2020, 06:21:02 PM
rofrog - I already know the reading comprehension is not 100% because you haven't been able to actually read what Pat is telling you, but I find the following hysterical:

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2020, 11:12:24 PM
How many games have you watched of Amherst? Of the rest of the NESCAC? Of Wartburg, or Loras, or UWW, or the rest of the nation?

Followed by:

Quote from: Rofrog on January 28, 2020, 10:01:58 AM
Ryan I watch alot I've been following the game since 1978.Ive been following the Royals men and women since then I missed one final four of the mens and one of the womens.I guess you couldn't answer the question so you asked me.Yes I watch alot of games thanks to d3hoops see back in the days we would have to look at the paper just to get scores so yes we are spoiled with Pat's d3hoops program!


Your inability to focus on what the replies are to you... along with who they are from ... plus understanding the world of Division III basketball actually revolves well outside of Scranton ... is causing me to basically start to ignore your thoughts. You refuse to realize that the past you keep drumming on from Scranton is a LONG time ago and that they aren't the best of the best. They are good, but at some point you need to realize the final fours you are holding on to happened a long, long time ago. And if you don't think what happened last year should matter, you should drop the Scranton past as well ... especially when you keep using it as a barometer but wish the past not to be used for others. It doesn't work that way.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 28, 2020, 07:09:18 PM
Okay, let's try to answer this question with some numbers.

First, let's see if Scranton is getting treated more harshly than other teams.

We have five teams that were ranked in the Top 10 in the first week of the poll and now have three losses. Here's how many votes those teams have lost since Week 1.

* Amherst: From #1 (611 points) to #3 (405 points), which is 206 points.
* Scranton: From #3 (568 points) to #16 (221 points), which is 347 points
* St. Thomas: From #6 (499 points) to #17 (215 points), which is 284 points
* Mary Hardin-Baylor: From #7 (394 points) to #13 (324 points), which is 70 points
* Wartburg: From #8 (393 points) to #10 (389 points), which is 4 points

A couple of these teams picked up their three losses early in the season, as compared to Amherst and Wartburg who just took their third loss. So let's look at each team's lowest point in the poll and how many points they lost.

* Amherst: Lowest point is right now. Maximum point loss is 206
* Scranton: Lowest point was last week. Maximum point loss is 350 points
* St. Thomas: Lowest point was a few weeks ago. Maximum point loss is 369
* Mary Hardin-Baylor: Lowest point was a few weeks ago. Maximum point loss was 148.
* Wartburg: Lowest point is right now. Maximum point loss is 4.

Scranton and St. Thomas are being hit harder for their losses. Amherst has taken less of a hit, Mary Hardin-Baylor less and Warburg virtually none. Here are a few theories on why:

* Where you start matters: It's certainly possible that a 3-loss team is the 10th best team in the country, but it's not likely they are the first or third best team in the country. So starting higher up has put Amherst and Scranton in a position to lose more votes than, say, Wartburg.

* When you lose matters: Mary Hardin-Baylor and St. Thomas took their third loss a couple weeks ago, so they've had time to pick up some wins and move back up the poll. If Scranton keeps winning, they probably do the same.

* Clustering of losses matters: Scranton had  a stretch where it lost 3 out of 5 games and those games were played over almost three weeks (two polls). So the optics to voters was really bad. "This team keeps losing games. Maybe they aren't that good?" If they follow Scranton closely -- and some of our voters see them multiple times throughout the season -- they might have even noticed the game where the Royals benched their starting lineup (W over Moravian). People on the boards here liked that move. Voters might view it as a sign that something is going poorly behind the scenes.

Same thing happened to St. Thomas, which lost a bunch of games in a cluster. St. Thomas also lost its best player to injury, I believe for the season. Again, some of our voters see St. Thomas in person or on film multiple times a year. They know losing Kaia Porter changes them totally and so a third loss is much more damaging.

Compare that to Wartburg or Amherst whose losses are spread out, haven't had that major injury and (in Amherst's case) have used the same starting lineup most of the year. It's easier as a voter to write off one loss as a fluke or a bad day in those situations.

* Who beats you matters: I actually agree that Scranton's losses are not much worse in aggregate than Amherst's. George Fox is a good team, though not as good as Tufts. But I would take E'town over Emmanuel and Catholic over Hamilton on a neutral court.

But here's the counter intuitive part, which is what I call the tethering effect.

Amherst's close loss to Tufts tethers them to the Jumbos who are No. 1 in the country. "Well, if Amherst only lost by 2 in OT to Tufts, they should be ranked close together." Amherst doesn't get tethered to Emmanuel or Hamilton because those teams aren't on anyone's ballot. So no one is saying, "I have to keep Amherst and Hamilton close together because of that head-to-head result."

You would think that Scranton would get the same benefit because E'Town isn't on anyone's ballot and Catholic is only on a couple. But George Fox is on almost everyone's ballot and they've also fallen far down the rankings. The Bruins lost a bunch of games (3 in 6 games) and they needed to rally to avoid losing a four last Friday. They've slipped all the way to No. 21 in the poll, but are still on most people's ballots.

So the voter looks at Scranton (lost a bunch of games in a group), looks at George Fox (lost a bunch of games in a group), remembers that George Fox beat Scranton and decides, "Hm. Well, I can't separate them too much. Let's keep Scranton in the high teens or low 20s.

St. Thomas has the same problem. They lost to Augsburg and Gustavus Adolphus who have since taken additional losses themselves. The three teams hover around each other and that probably doesn't change until one of them beats Bethel and separates themselves (or Bethel goes on a losing streak and all four group together).

The really, really weird outlier here? It's Wartburg.

They don't have any recent history of NCAA Tournament excellence to the same degree Amherst does. Two of their losses are good (Simpson, Loras) and one is now meh (UW-Platteville). But what Warburg does have is big wins over other ranked teams -- two over UW-Lax and an utter butt-kicking of Baldwin Wallace. So they get the benefit of spread out losses where Scranton doesn't. It's best win is over DeSales (on a few ballots) and Misericordia (on no ballots).

For what it's worthy, I'm actually with Rofrog on this.

I think Amherst is overrated at No. 8. I've watched them play in person and online a couple times, this year and in the past. They have two great players, a couple players who rely on a good night shooting threes, and not much of note coming off the bench on offense. And they have their usual stellar defense which will keep them in every game, even if they shoot poorly against a tough team.

But I don't think they are a Top 10 team. I have them in the teens on my ballot.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 28, 2020, 08:51:21 PM
Thanks Gordon Dave I think you dont know what your talking about.Like i said you
guys couldnt explain it so you went from this to that to the new coaching.So rule of thumb before you say I dont get it Dave look in the mirror because your Guru that does your top 25 called you all out.So i will wait for
smiles from all 3 of you.Gordon thanks again you understood!


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 28, 2020, 09:19:28 PM
Dave maybe just maybe instead of jumping the gun read my question.I never said d3 revolves around Scranton but they do have one hell of a program.But according to Ryan,Pat and you d3 does revolve around Amherst and it showed again the ignorance that my question was putting  down your beloved Amherst team when in reality Gordon understood and came out with the answer and again Thanks Gordon for really answering my question!Im.owed smites hehehe
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 28, 2020, 09:23:39 PM
It doesn't revolve around Amherst, but seven Final Fours in 10 years speaks volumes.

This discussion shows quite well exactly why we have 25 voters -- you just saw four people without a unanimous opinion. That's what makes polling work.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 28, 2020, 10:51:23 PM
Gordon-explained it well and with that I respect how he votes in the Top 25!


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 28, 2020, 11:06:35 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on January 28, 2020, 07:09:18 PM
Okay, let's try to answer this question with some numbers.

First, let's see if Scranton is getting treated more harshly than other teams.

We have five teams that were ranked in the Top 10 in the first week of the poll and now have three losses. Here's how many votes those teams have lost since Week 1.

* Amherst: From #1 (611 points) to #3 (405 points), which is 206 points.
* Scranton: From #3 (568 points) to #16 (221 points), which is 347 points
* St. Thomas: From #6 (499 points) to #17 (215 points), which is 284 points
* Mary Hardin-Baylor: From #7 (394 points) to #13 (324 points), which is 70 points
* Wartburg: From #8 (393 points) to #10 (389 points), which is 4 points

A couple of these teams picked up their three losses early in the season, as compared to Amherst and Wartburg who just took their third loss. So let's look at each team's lowest point in the poll and how many points they lost.

* Amherst: Lowest point is right now. Maximum point loss is 206
* Scranton: Lowest point was last week. Maximum point loss is 350 points
* St. Thomas: Lowest point was a few weeks ago. Maximum point loss is 369
* Mary Hardin-Baylor: Lowest point was a few weeks ago. Maximum point loss was 148.
* Wartburg: Lowest point is right now. Maximum point loss is 4.

Scranton and St. Thomas are being hit harder for their losses. Amherst has taken less of a hit, Mary Hardin-Baylor less and Warburg virtually none. Here are a few theories on why:

* Where you start matters: It's certainly possible that a 3-loss team is the 10th best team in the country, but it's not likely they are the first or third best team in the country. So starting higher up has put Amherst and Scranton in a position to lose more votes than, say, Wartburg.

* When you lose matters: Mary Hardin-Baylor and St. Thomas took their third loss a couple weeks ago, so they've had time to pick up some wins and move back up the poll. If Scranton keeps winning, they probably do the same.

* Clustering of losses matters: Scranton had  a stretch where it lost 3 out of 5 games and those games were played over almost three weeks (two polls). So the optics to voters was really bad. "This team keeps losing games. Maybe they aren't that good?" If they follow Scranton closely -- and some of our voters see them multiple times throughout the season -- they might have even noticed the game where the Royals benched their starting lineup (W over Moravian). People on the boards here liked that move. Voters might view it as a sign that something is going poorly behind the scenes.

Same thing happened to St. Thomas, which lost a bunch of games in a cluster. St. Thomas also lost its best player to injury, I believe for the season. Again, some of our voters see St. Thomas in person or on film multiple times a year. They know losing Kaia Porter changes them totally and so a third loss is much more damaging.

Compare that to Wartburg or Amherst whose losses are spread out, haven't had that major injury and (in Amherst's case) have used the same starting lineup most of the year. It's easier as a voter to write off one loss as a fluke or a bad day in those situations.

* Who beats you matters: I actually agree that Scranton's losses are not much worse in aggregate than Amherst's. George Fox is a good team, though not as good as Tufts. But I would take E'town over Emmanuel and Catholic over Hamilton on a neutral court.

But here's the counter intuitive part, which is what I call the tethering effect.

Amherst's close loss to Tufts tethers them to the Jumbos who are No. 1 in the country. "Well, if Amherst only lost by 2 in OT to Tufts, they should be ranked close together." Amherst doesn't get tethered to Emmanuel or Hamilton because those teams aren't on anyone's ballot. So no one is saying, "I have to keep Amherst and Hamilton close together because of that head-to-head result."

You would think that Scranton would get the same benefit because E'Town isn't on anyone's ballot and Catholic is only on a couple. But George Fox is on almost everyone's ballot and they've also fallen far down the rankings. The Bruins lost a bunch of games (3 in 6 games) and they needed to rally to avoid losing a four last Friday. They've slipped all the way to No. 21 in the poll, but are still on most people's ballots.

So the voter looks at Scranton (lost a bunch of games in a group), looks at George Fox (lost a bunch of games in a group), remembers that George Fox beat Scranton and decides, "Hm. Well, I can't separate them too much. Let's keep Scranton in the high teens or low 20s.

St. Thomas has the same problem. They lost to Augsburg and Gustavus Adolphus who have since taken additional losses themselves. The three teams hover around each other and that probably doesn't change until one of them beats Bethel and separates themselves (or Bethel goes on a losing streak and all four group together).

The really, really weird outlier here? It's Wartburg.

They don't have any recent history of NCAA Tournament excellence to the same degree Amherst does. Two of their losses are good (Simpson, Loras) and one is now meh (UW-Platteville). But what Warburg does have is big wins over other ranked teams -- two over UW-Lax and an utter butt-kicking of Baldwin Wallace. So they get the benefit of spread out losses where Scranton doesn't. It's best win is over DeSales (on a few ballots) and Misericordia (on no ballots).

For what it's worthy, I'm actually with Rofrog on this.

I think Amherst is overrated at No. 8. I've watched them play in person and online a couple times, this year and in the past. They have two great players, a couple players who rely on a good night shooting threes, and not much of note coming off the bench on offense. And they have their usual stellar defense which will keep them in every game, even if they shoot poorly against a tough team.

But I don't think they are a Top 10 team. I have them in the teens on my ballot.

Gordon,
  Excellent and thorough analysis! I don't remember such being presented at this time(pre-regional rankings/seedings/hosting) in the season in the past. Should the question come up in other regions, at least u can replicate your response "around the nation".
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Baldini on January 29, 2020, 10:31:03 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on January 28, 2020, 09:19:28 PM
Dave maybe just maybe instead of jumping the gun read my question.I never said d3 revolves around Scranton but they do have one hell of a program.But according to Ryan,Pat and you d3 does revolve around Amherst and it showed again the ignorance that my question was putting  down your beloved Amherst team when in reality Gordon understood and came out with the answer and again Thanks Gordon for really answering my question!Im.owed smites hehehe

I'm guessing as a youth that in the comment section of your report cards read 'Doesn't play well with others'.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 29, 2020, 01:26:21 PM
Baldini:How did you guess you left out the part-how I made the kids cry when I took the milk money from them !Thanks for throwing me under the bus (NOT)in front of all my friends like Ronk,Saratoga and Nepafan and a couple hidden characters!Like Colonel John or Lady Royalfan lol.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 29, 2020, 02:26:50 PM
Well i wonder if coach goes to the 4 freshman,1 sophomore to start tonight against  Drew .Not only did he do it at Moravian he did it against Juniata to start the second half?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 29, 2020, 06:36:21 PM

Gordon:

As several people have already noted, thank you for the insights into your process of looking at the multitude of things a voter deals with each week.

I'm pretty sure that's all Ro was asking for & you responded in a really thorough, comprehensive & teachable way.

Stanky & Flo would be proud to have you on their team.....especially since you acknowledged their beloved Penn St. Hazle-Barre.  :D

Well done, + to you.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 29, 2020, 09:28:08 PM
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Time for a marathon!

Thursday, Hoopsville will be on the air for at least nine hours in the 7th Annual Hoopsville Marathon Show.

This year's show will feature coaches, administrators, and many others around Division III to give us a sense of the season to date and what is to come. There is only a month or so left in the regular season, so there is plenty to talk about.

For more information about the show and its impact, click here.

The show's guest list is below with a rough idea of when they were scheduled to appear during the live show.

The marathon is also a chance to fundraise of the show. Many fans of Hoopsville ask often how they can give to the program so we can continue doing our work into the future. In the first few years of the Marathon, the fundraising side was an important aspect. However in the last few years, we have shyed away from fundraising as we tried to find other means to financially run the program. After requests from many, we are do have a few ways fans can contribute.

Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch the entire Marathon show LIVE in the video player above. We will effort to turn around podcast episodes of the entire show. They will be available to the right (after the show is off the air).

Guests appear on the Hoopsville Hotline presented by BlueFrame Technology.

And don't forget to interact with the Dave and guests. You can use the social media option to the right and even email (dave.mchugh@d3sports.com) questions to the show.


When it comes to the game of basketball, we love celebrating not only the student-athletes in Division III, but also those who help carry the game forward sometimes outside of the spotlight.

Sunday on Hoopsville, we celebrate those who have made the game of basketball, especially at DIII, so great. Coaches who continue to excel in different parts of the country and programs who play for more than just themselves.

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Hoopsville Marathon Schedule
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Time (ET)GuestSchool/Institution
12:20 p.m.Jim CalhounSt. Joseph's (Conn.) men's coach
12:40 p.m.Pat JuckemNo. 11 WashU men's coach
1:00 p.m.Brian MorehouseNo. 3 Hope women's coach
1:20 p.m.Lauren BusalacchiRipon women's coach
1:40 p.m.Ryan HylandJohn Jay men's coach
2:00 p.m.Dan DutcherNCAA VP for Division III
2:40 p.m.Karin HarveyMontclair State women's coach, Women's National Committee chair
3:00 p.m.Adrienne ShiblesNo. 2 Bowdoin women's coach
3:20 p.m.Kate PearsonCabrini women's coach
3:40 p.m.Matt GilbrideRPI men's coach
4:00 p.m.Sam AtkinsonGallaudet Associate AD for Comm., Men's National Committee Chair
4:20 p.m.Matt DonohueCatholic women's coach
4:40 p.m.Charles KatsiaficasPomona-Pitzer men's coach
5:00 p.m.Jon HerbrechtsmeyerNo. 5 Bethel women's coach
5:20 p.m.Chris CarideoWidener men's coach
5:40 p.m.Dave HixonAmherst men's coach (sabbatical)
6:00 p.m.Tricia CullopWBCA Board President, Toledo women's coach
6:20 p.m.Alex RicheyNo. 18 Oglethorpe women's coach
6:40 p.m.Jody MayAlbion men's coach
7:00 p.m.Dave MacedoNo. 18 Virginia Wesleyan men's coach
7:20 p.m.Melissa KuberkaSt. John Fisher women's coach
8:00 p.m.HOOPSVILLE HAPPY HOUR A gaggle of some of the shows friends - to be announced
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 29, 2020, 10:17:09 PM
I think Coach Dipillo is sending a clear message and I agree with it.He started Quigley-Fresh,McCurdy-Soph,Shurina-Soph,Monoghan-Fresh and Sheehan-Senior.Im not sure what happened with the senior  this year but you can see with the body language is  a lot different then their Junior year when some looked like All Americans they  look like All Americans come Senior year it  is way different they are throwing up balls in awkward positions and they are not playing the D like they are use too.Believe me this is not the only Seniors I have  seen play  like this at Scranton.The best player to play the game Taryn Mellody and Allison Matt two All Americans played okay as Seniors but they lost in the sweet 16 because they didnt play the way they are capable.Hopefully what coach did is making them.realize well let's put it together because we have few games left
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 30, 2020, 09:29:03 AM
No Men's home game, so I'll go with the Women's attendance with school back in session......346
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 30, 2020, 10:05:11 AM
 There were 700+ in attendance for the Men's game @ Drew, probably enhanced by all of Scranton's NJ players.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 31, 2020, 08:55:41 PM
Watched the game between Tufts and Bowdoin!Have to say Tufts looks really good.Decandido looks like she hasnt lost a step from her Jr to Sr year she is definetly All American type.Body motion tells alot and Tufts really really looks good with the new coach they havent lost a beat.Definetly deserve number 1!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 31, 2020, 09:20:55 PM

Ro:

Absolutely agree.

Both schools looked great & you are right, Tufts hasn't lost a beat in the transition to their new coach.

They are running the same schemes, same motion offense & same results.

The Lady Royals have the same amount of starters back as Tufts but players and coach are clearly not on the same page of the same playbook.

Their game against E-town tomorrow could go a long way in determining which direction their season goes from here.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on January 31, 2020, 09:49:53 PM
One other thing I noticed is both teams attack the basket well and not alot of dribbling on offense,alot of crisp passing!One other thing they have their team rotation set as  for Scrantons -18th game in  no set rotation off the bench or matter of fact lineup set.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 01, 2020, 09:35:50 PM
 The Lady Royals avenged the home loss to E-town with a superior defensive effort today. Emily Shaffer hounded Veronica Christ into 4-17 shooting, supplemented by a couple of steals by Bridget and Carly, and good rebounding. Coach made good substitutions, resting Emily whenever Christ left the game.
Makenzie had her most complete game in a long time and Bridget played the point with the effectiveness of a veteran rather than a frosh. She's a worthy successor to Bridgette Mann in controlling the ball for the last shot of a quarter or when in a double bonus foul situation.
Personnel-wise, Emily Shurina is on the missing list temporarily after a collision in Wednesday's game and there's been a roster deletion, also.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 01, 2020, 10:10:51 PM

Clearly a much better offensive game plan by getting Mason untracked by posting her rather than forcing the outside shots.

Bridgett did a great job for a frosh (more under control) & Sophia played arguably her most complete game of the season with a double/double and some really important rebounds.

The player that left can't complain she wasn't given the chance to be successful.

She started a number of games and was one of the first off the bench but for whatever reason, her once faithful shot from the corner just stopped falling & you could sense the frustration building.

Some kids keep grinding through the frustrating part of competitive athletics, some find other things to do.

Nice gutty performance today by the Royals however, the next several days of practice needs to center around layup drills.

They easily blew 10 of them today (most of them fairly uncontested).

Defensively, they really locked in. Challenged shots, rotated nicely, boxed out & did all the little things needed to apply extra pressure.

Oh well, they get out of Dodge with the W...next up, the always tough at home Susquehanna River Hawks. One game at a time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 02, 2020, 12:00:55 AM
Sheehan he ment not schaffer I think!!!lol
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 02, 2020, 12:12:27 AM
They are the type of players you dont want on your team!They bring the team down!Like bontemp!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 02, 2020, 11:47:18 AM
 On her behalf, she had expanded her offensive game from spot shooter to shot fakes and drives to the hoop; of the returnees, she was the most aggressive on defense in challenging the ballhandler, overplaying the passing lanes, and is the leader in steals per game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 02, 2020, 12:45:18 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on February 02, 2020, 12:12:27 AM
They are the type of players you dont want on your team!They bring the team down!Like bontemp!!

U went deep for that reference; thought u were laying some French on us when I 1st read it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 02, 2020, 01:06:21 PM

Ronk:

Totally agree that even though she wasn't raining down the 3's as in the past, she was clearly a vital part to the team.

When she & Bridgett came in, the heat was certainly turned up on the defensive end.

Sometimes kids think the only way they help their team is by scoring & when that falters, they aren't being successful.

I love when she drove to the basket as it opened up a whole new set of options for her.

If you remember during their pivotal 4th quarter 14-0 run against Tufts, two of those points came from her from a fake 3 and drive to the basket for a layup.

Not sure of the circumstances but sorry to see a nice player ever leave.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 02, 2020, 06:11:59 PM
She's been a big part of that team and is a really good defender. I assume she's devoted a lot of her life to basketball and to Scranton's program. I hope she has peace with walking away from the team now. It's the type of decision you can't do over later in life.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 03, 2020, 07:22:16 AM

Life only gives you so many games.

I think of Julia Gantz that had back to back torn ACL's in each knee that worked so hard to try & come back but just couldn't yet she was at every practice & on the bench at every game and was voted a team co-captain last year.

One would have given anything to play one more game and another walks away with almost a season and a half on the table.

Hard to figure sometimes.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Roundball999 on February 03, 2020, 08:16:39 AM
I've seen starters leave D3 teams to care for a terminally ill family member, or because clinicals for their degree program were just incompatible with any kind of practice or game schedule.  These were mature, admirable decisions where D3 hoops rightfully took a back seat.  Whatever the circumstances here, I'm sure she's making the decision she feels is right for her.  Even if it's just that she's lost interest or is frustrated, IMO it's better that another player more committed to the program and the effort gets the PT.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 03, 2020, 09:44:12 PM
Just laugh at the top 25 ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 04, 2020, 07:05:05 AM

Exactly.

At this rate, if they run the table in conference play, they should clearly be out of the Top 25 by then.  8-)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 04, 2020, 11:56:00 AM
I can see Augsburg leapfrogging the Lady Royals with their victory over St. Thomas, but I'm scratching my head about Oglethorpe doing the same.  I would take Scranton's double-digit victories over 13-6 Drew and 10-8 E-Town, versus Oglethorpe beating 13-8 Rhodes and the powerhouse that is 2-20 Hendrix...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 04, 2020, 12:18:08 PM
Sometimes I can offer you a thoughtful guess on why teams move in the poll, but not this time.

Oglethorpe didn't do anything to justify moving in front of Scranton. Both teams gained points (i.e. moved up people's ballots overall) but I have no idea what Oglethorpe moved up more.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 04, 2020, 02:06:05 PM
If you put any stock in the Massey Ratings, Scranton and Austin are 42nd and 63rd respectively....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2020, 02:17:31 PM
Those are three teams all within six points of each other, and last week it was four teams within 15 points. It doesn't take much to reshuffle that deck.

It helps to look at the number of points each team has -- some teams are stacked closely together and others are not.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 04, 2020, 05:33:51 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on February 04, 2020, 12:18:08 PM
Sometimes I can offer you a thoughtful guess on why teams move in the poll, but not this time.

Oglethorpe didn't do anything to justify moving in front of Scranton. Both teams gained points (i.e. moved up people's ballots overall) but I have no idea what Oglethorpe moved up more.

It could be one of those scenarios where they didn't pass Scranton on any individual ballots, but they moved up more spaces overall and thus earned more points.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 04, 2020, 05:59:12 PM
Scranton redeems one of those losses by beating Etown at Etown so what happens when you go 4-0 in the last two weeks you drop in the polls!lol
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals81 on February 04, 2020, 09:40:58 PM
Posted by: saratoga
Today at 07:05:05 am »

Exactly.
At this rate, if they run the table in conference play, they should clearly be out of the Top 25 by then. 

Saratoga,
I was thinking the same thing.
If the Lady Royals with their remaining 6 regular season games, would their win total (22) still be higher than their ranking????
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 05, 2020, 12:00:46 AM
I just dont believe in massey for instance pick two teams out of the top 25 and try to compare by schedule if it makes sense.First up is Bethel 19-0 number 2 I think.on massey.This is their Schedule and records of teams they fast and then I will compare it to the Royals at 16-3!So Bethel first remeber 19-0 teams they played and records Northwest 12-8,Eau claire 12-7,River falls 5-14,Hamline twice 14-5,St olaf8-11,Carleton7-12,MacCalester,1-18 twice,St Catherine 9-10 twice,Vasser 13-6,Salisbury 9-12,St mary(minn)2-17,Augsburg16-3,Gustavus Adolphus14-5,St Benedctine 9-10 dont forget they played teams twice this is who massey has at no 2 plays absolutely no one in my opinion!Scranton 16-3 Ursinus7-13,Gwyned Mercy 10-9,Kings12-7,Wilkes8-11,Marywood 6-11,Desales 15-4,Elmira 4-16,Goucher 4-16,Misericordia 17-2(Still dont understand why not ranked),Rosemont6-13,George fox 16-4 (L),St Vincent 14-6,Moraivan 11-8,Etown 9-7(L),Catholic16-3(L),Susq12-7,Drew13-6,At Etown 10-8 look at those two and tell me how do you have a team that plays a crap schedule no 2 in massey and 5 in d3 hoops.By the Looks of it I think Scranton played a tougher schedule just compared to records of opponents!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 05, 2020, 01:19:01 AM
Here is another stat for Bethel compared to Scranton Bethel has played 19 games out of them 19 games 7-teams Have a winning record!Scrantons schedule 12 out of 19 have a winning record!Say the same for oglethorpe etc.they attack Misericordia for not playing anyone but when you look at these teams that they played omg1-18 twice or 2-20 twice.Facts that dont lie
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 05, 2020, 06:56:04 AM

Royals 81:

Would the Lady Royal win total possibly be higher than their final D3 ranking?

With the mindset of their voters over the past several weeks, unfortunately, I think that's a very safe bet.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 05, 2020, 10:16:51 AM
Record against teams in Top 25:
Bethel: 1-0 (2-0 if you want to count Gustavus which was ranked when they played)
Scranton: 0-1 (1-1 if you want to count DeSales which was ranked when they played)
Oglethorpe: None
Misericordia: 0-1

Strength of Schedule index (this is a more precise measure of comparing opponents' records to each other because it also takes opponents' opponents winning percentage into consideration):
Bethel: 188th
Scranton: 90th
Oglethorpe: 105th
Misericordia: 277th

Record against teams in Top 50 for SOS:
Bethel: 4-0
Scranton: 2-2
Oglethorpe: None
Misericordia: None

Massey rating:
Bethel: 2nd
Scranton: 42nd
Oglethorpe: 32nd
Misericordia: 94th

Record against teams in Massey Top 50:
Bethel: 5-0 (Augsburg, Eau Claire, Gustavus, Hamline x 2)
Scranton: 0-1 (George Fox)
Oglethorpe: 1-0 (Emory)
Misericordia: 0-1 (Scranton)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 05, 2020, 09:23:45 PM
Susquehanna gave Scranton everything they had tonight!The refs,home court and the clock!Great play again by the Freshman PG Monaghan and Mason with the winning basket with no time on the clock but they found 1 second for one last play!One other thing Freshman getting alot of playing time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 06, 2020, 02:44:04 AM
Love it the only time Scranton makes the pages when they lose or almost,But Amherst barely gets by a weselyan team that is not good and here no story but ryan runs a story how great the top 3 are in nescac!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 06, 2020, 10:54:34 AM
Scranton was one of our top women's stories on Saturday when they beat Elizabethtown.

https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/wrapup-women-0201

In terms of Recap mentions, Scranton is mentioned in them almost every week. That's partly because they have an energized fan base, partly because their SID always posts stories to our site that we can reference and partly because they have final scores that are worth mentioning. I write these recaps and there's only so many ways to say "Top 25 team beats over matched opponent by 30 and all we have is the box score."

We assigned the NESCAC top three story before Amherst played Wesleyan, as a lead up to the Bowdoin/Tufts showdown. Take a look at how NESCAC teams have done in the NCAA Tournament over the last decade. You'll see why we thought that level of dominance merited a story.

NCAA Tournament Records by Conference (https://www.d3hoops.com/guidebook/2019/women/2010-19_WBB_NCAA_Results_by_Conference.pdf)

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 06, 2020, 12:06:21 PM
 Gordon,
   Ryan's column on Amherst, Bowdoin, and Tufts was well-done, appropriate and thorough, considering their recent dominance on the national scene. Their academics, coaches, student-athletes, and finances have long been a high bar to compete against for basketball prospects. Stated by 1 with former personal choices currently starting for Amherst(4), Bowdoin(2), and Tufts(1, + 1 would-have been except for a season-long injury + 3 reserves). They deserve such attention.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 06, 2020, 09:59:38 PM
Nice point but you have 3 teams or 4 always going from the nescac,Usually you have 1 maybe two from the landmark now and then!So they do have advantage!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 07, 2020, 12:07:45 AM
I just wish one of these times your prospect or prospects would show up at the University of Scranton!So I looked up Rochester womens basketball roster and I notice Jamie Boeheim(Head Coach of Syracuse mens basketball team daughter) is not on the roster I wonder what happened or did i miss her!

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 07, 2020, 12:30:47 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on February 07, 2020, 12:07:45 AM
I just wish one of these times your prospect or prospects would show up at the University of Scranton!So I looked up Rochester womens basketball roster and I notice Jamie Boeheim(Head Coach of Syracuse mens basketball team daughter) is not on the roster I wonder what happened or did i miss her!

Actually, there r 2 on the current roster - Sophia and Kyra. I didn't c Bridget since her rising junior summer so I don't know if I would have included her as a prospect if I had seen her the following summer. Now, thankfully, Trevor liked her independently and she's made a major impact already.

Jamie Boeheim is a team manager this year(soph); 1 could speculate that she's recovering from injury/illness; don't know the reason.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 07, 2020, 01:49:41 PM
Yes she has(Monaghan)Thanks for the update on jamie boeheim wasnt sure!They are not to good the last couple years(Rochester) been a couple down years in that league!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 08, 2020, 08:20:26 AM

Flipped back & forth last evening between the Amherst/Bowdoin and Tufts games and one thing became abundantly clear...Amherst's defense will keep them in any game, anywhere at any time.

When you can lock down and throw a first quarter and 2 minutes into the second quarter shutout at a team like Bowdoin, that's pretty impressive.


Naturally, Bowdoin made a run but watching the length and constant movement of Amherst and their relentless attempts at offensive rebounds and second chance shots is not to be overlooked.

Although watching the Lady Royals hold Tufts scoreless for nearly 8 minutes in last years Elite 8 game has a special place in my memory, the effort put forth by Amherst last night is right up there.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 08, 2020, 09:23:47 AM
 Also watched the Amherst game and agree about their defense.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: amh63 on February 08, 2020, 10:34:28 AM
Agree wrt the Amherst defense.  It must be noted that Amherst's young front court players was the key.  Bowdoin's big all-American front court player scored most of her points on the foul line. Amherst's front court starter got into foul problems and Amherst rotated in younger forwards to guard the Bowdoin all-American.  Meanwhile, Amherst's all-American guards played well.  Possible rematch ahead in Nescac Tourny and/or Post season NCAA.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 08, 2020, 05:12:51 PM
Way to redeem yourself Lady Royals!Big win
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 08, 2020, 10:38:30 PM
Just would like to say if losing to a 9-7 team is not good then losing to a 2-18 is Really not good!By the way Man the freshman are playing great for Coach Dipillo
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 09, 2020, 12:43:17 AM
I will still stand by my statement about Bethel they got beat by a 2-18 team and this is why masseys is garbage!Yes it proved my point again!I would never use massey as a standard in any game!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 09, 2020, 03:27:15 AM
Okay here is a question for all,after games do they look at how the referees do or is there someone in the stands that monitor the game?I mean they missed alot of walks and a cheap shot by Stafford when she raised her arms to put a pick on Warhiftig and was never called that should have been a flagrant foul on 6 it is right around 1.37on video it was just one of many dirty plays that Catholic had in the playbook that under cut going after the loose ball in the 1st half when she undercut Sofia was also a dirty play.But Sophia had a T on her guess what, I would have said something if they cut my legs out also!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Roundball999 on February 09, 2020, 06:56:33 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on February 09, 2020, 12:43:17 AM
I will still stand by my statement about Bethel they got beat by a 2-18 team and this is why masseys is garbage!Yes it proved my point again!I would never use massey as a standard in any game!

Question: how many times is Massey right vs. wrong?  How does it compare to any other system of prognostication?  It was "wrong" for every game that Scranton lost this year - but I suspect every other prediction was wrong about those games too.

BTW, Massey was technically "right" about the Bethel/St. Mary's game.  It did not say Bethel had 100% probability to win, it gave St. Mary's a slim chance of winning.  This is how statistics work.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 09, 2020, 09:42:47 AM

Roundball:

I wish Vegas worked like your beloved Massey...

I'm putting all my money on the 49'ers but I think Kansas City has a slim chance of winning. That would get me which of the following?

A. Nothing
B. Zilch
C. Nada
D. A congratulatory letter stating "thanks for trying, come back any time".
E. All of the above.

By the way, I watched the second half of the game several times & Ro you are absolutely correct, the player in question clearly lifted her arms from the set position at her waist right up into the face of the Lady Royal.

Additionally, in the first half there were two low bridges on Sophia, the second of which led to what could have been a very serious fall.
She must have said something not very complimentary of Catholic's boxing out technique & got hit with a T.

Sophia again played her tail off underneath doing all the important things that contribute as did the young post players.

Great to see Mason kick it in...clearly more her game to drive to the basket, collect fouls, short jumpers & then expand to 3 point shots.

Great win & now just take care of business one game at a time & the top seed will be theirs.




Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Roundball999 on February 09, 2020, 10:41:54 AM
Do you really think Vegas does NOT use statistical tools similar to Massey?  Big time sports betting odds are set by statistical models.  You know, statistical models like Massey.  People seem to misunderstand the difference between probabilities and prediction.

I like Massey as one data point to consider because it eliminates fan bias.  But it's just a data point.  It can't look into the future and it can't evaluate things like how individual players match up, which we all know can be a major factor in outcomes.

There's still the question of how many times Massey is "right" vs "wrong".  I suppose one can look at an outcome like Bethel/St. Mary's (which many knowledgeable non-Massey folks are calling the biggest upset of the year) and take it as proof that Massey is "wrong".  My view would be to also consider the vast majority of times it is "right" as "exceptio probat regulam in casibus non exceptis" i.e. the exception proves the rule.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 09, 2020, 12:10:03 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on February 09, 2020, 03:27:15 AM
Okay here is a question for all,after games do they look at how the referees do or is there someone in the stands that monitor the game?I mean they missed alot of walks and a cheap shot by Stafford when she raised her arms to put a pick on Warhiftig and was never called that should have been a flagrant foul on 6 it is right around 1.37on video it was just one of many dirty plays that Catholic had in the playbook that under cut going after the loose ball in the 1st half when she undercut Sofia was also a dirty play.But Sophia had a T on her guess what, I would have said something if they cut my legs out also!

Assigners as well as the NCAAs head of officiating have access to video of all games and officials are rated on how they do in games.  I'm not sure, at the d3 level, if every referee is rated for every game, but there is a pretty robust process for evaluation over time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 09, 2020, 12:10:50 PM
Of course Vegas uses statistical models.

My reference was to your statement that Massey was 'technically right".

Statistics matter, just understand at the D3 level, there are a ton of variables & a greater degree of inconsistency.

Bottom line, if you want to have a winning team, get yourself high field goal % shots, get to the foul line, get offensive rebounds & don't turn the ball over.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2020, 12:43:13 PM
Quote from: Roundball999 on February 09, 2020, 06:56:33 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on February 09, 2020, 12:43:17 AM
I will still stand by my statement about Bethel they got beat by a 2-18 team and this is why masseys is garbage!Yes it proved my point again!I would never use massey as a standard in any game!

Question: how many times is Massey right vs. wrong?  How does it compare to any other system of prognostication?  It was "wrong" for every game that Scranton lost this year - but I suspect every other prediction was wrong about those games too.

BTW, Massey was technically "right" about the Bethel/St. Mary's game.  It did not say Bethel had 100% probability to win, it gave St. Mary's a slim chance of winning.  This is how statistics work.

This. +1
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 09, 2020, 12:49:32 PM
Quote from: Roundball999 on February 09, 2020, 06:56:33 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on February 09, 2020, 12:43:17 AM
I will still stand by my statement about Bethel they got beat by a 2-18 team and this is why masseys is garbage!Yes it proved my point again!I would never use massey as a standard in any game!

Question: how many times is Massey right vs. wrong?  How does it compare to any other system of prognostication?  It was "wrong" for every game that Scranton lost this year - but I suspect every other prediction was wrong about those games too.

BTW, Massey was technically "right" about the Bethel/St. Mary's game.  It did not say Bethel had 100% probability to win, it gave St. Mary's a slim chance of winning.  This is how statistics work.

OMG this. Yes.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Baldini on February 09, 2020, 06:11:03 PM
New women's poll is out,

1.) Scranton (starters)
2.) Scranton (bench players)
3-4-5) The top 3 teams in the Scranton women's intramural league
6-23) Vacant, no teams are worthy
24.) Tufts
25.) Hope
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 09, 2020, 06:32:47 PM

Baldini;

How long were you working on that one?

I can't remember anyone saying Scranton should be number 1 or, anywhere close to the top right now.

Thanks for sharing your comic relief, just don't give up the day job.



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2020, 06:47:19 PM
Saratoga,

You were not the first poster who came to mind as the target of Baldini's needling.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 09, 2020, 06:55:50 PM

Well, that's good to hear as that ship has sailed.

Clearly not number 1 but, not number 17 either.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Baldini on February 09, 2020, 07:14:31 PM
I guess I just don't get what all the angst is about with Scranton's ranking. If a team is not going to be one of the four number 1 seeds, the next goal is to host the first weekend and as long as Scranton takes care of their business they are going to be hosting the first weekend. Because of their geographical location the committee is probably pulling for them to handle their conference business. If they end up 20th in the polls, but win their conference they will still host.

On the other side of the coin is teams like Whitman, Loras and Oglethorpe who will probably be put on the road opening weekend regardless of the fact of being higher in the polls than some teams that will be hosting.

Am I wrong? What am I missing?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 09, 2020, 08:27:20 PM

Baldini;

No offense to the pollsters but even though polls aren't worth a hill of beans, teams and fan bases do like to see some acknowledgement for the kids hard work.

There will rarely be consensus on all picks (see D3 vs. coaches poll) but when it starts to fade pretty quickly with any particular sense of accuracy, then people start to question the actual knowledge of those making the choices.

I've said forever that the only ranking I care about is the Regional one.

Keep doing well there & D3 can rank Scranton 15th. but regardless, the Lady Royals will be at home & in the scheme of things, that matters far more than a subjective poll.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 09, 2020, 08:28:56 PM
Damn the hate for Scranton shows!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 09, 2020, 10:40:03 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 09, 2020, 08:27:20 PM

Baldini;

No offense to the pollsters but even though polls aren't worth a hill of beans, teams and fan bases do like to see some acknowledgement for the kids hard work.

There will rarely be consensus on all picks (see D3 vs. coaches poll) but when it starts to fade pretty quickly with any particular sense of accuracy, then people start to question the actual knowledge of those making the choices.

I've said forever that the only ranking I care about is the Regional one.

Keep doing well there & D3 can rank Scranton 15th. but regardless, the Lady Royals will be at home & in the scheme of things, that matters far more than a subjective poll.

I would think being ranked in the Top 25 is a nod to their hard work. I think people have to stop always wanting more. Being in the DIII top 25 is far more impressive than being in the D1 poll since there are more DIII schools than DI.

They are ranked ... about where some of us think they should be. As with all polls, there are voters higher and voters lower - heck, there might be some not voting for them at all.

But they are ranked. Do you want to talk about all the teams not ranked who probably have an argument? Or teams who never have a chance? There are many ways their  hard work is acknowledged.

I do find it funny you only care about the Regional Rankings, because the "data point only" ranking removes any of the "eye-test" and other things voters use to gauge teams and how good they are. Regional Rankings just say how good the numbers say a team is and saying nothing about who is actually better.

Sure, the rankings mean something for hosting and match-ups .. so I guess that's worth caring about.

Scranton will probably be fourth or so in the rankings this week ... but I am completely guessing right now.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 09, 2020, 10:53:12 PM
Wait Scranton wins 4 games and they drop twice so the eye test is not a good test!Because winning four games in two weeks and still drop is not a great eye test unless you are bias!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 10, 2020, 12:08:32 AM
So Dave are you saying the NCAA has it wrong with Regional rankings but your top 25 has it right?We do have two graduates on the voting poll that are in the same league as Scranton that went to Goucher and Catholic can you actually say you can be fair?I doubt it because many of times you and Pat state negative things against both Scranton teams if com
ing from there supporters on a 'PostingUp'
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 10, 2020, 02:26:39 AM
I would like to see the way you and pat vote on the top 25 since both of you said you are on the voting committee since preseason of this year Women and Men?Please show?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 10, 2020, 03:08:58 AM
Also would like to see who smites you in d3hoops and applauds your actions gurantee 75%of the action comes from the opposing people which is fine but dont hide behind closed doors!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 10, 2020, 07:40:47 AM

Dave, I honestly could care less if D3 ranks Scranton 17th., 10th., or 22nd. as long as the NCAA Regional selection committee has them near the top in the Middle Atlantic ranking due out this week.

It's nice for the casual fan to look at & see their school listed somewhere in a poll but when you win games & lose ground to schools with questionable resumes, then you start to wonder.

As far as Regional rankings meaning something for "hosting & match-ups"...well, isn't that ultimately why you lace them up every day?

What does being number 12 in the D3 poll get a school come selection Monday other than being # 12?

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 10, 2020, 10:48:20 AM
QuoteWe do have two graduates on the voting poll that are in the same league as Scranton that went to Goucher and Catholic can you actually say you can be fair?I doubt it because many of times you and Pat state negative things against both Scranton teams if com ing from there supporters on a 'PostingUp'

Dave doesn't vote in the women's poll. So whatever he thinks of Scranton doesn't impact the rankings that bother you.

Pat does vote in the women's poll but you're overstating any potential bias. When Pat was at Catholic, the Cardinals were in a different conference than Scranton. Pat can tell you what he's voting Scranton if he wants, but I'll just say he has them higher on his ballot than the rankings overall. So, if anything, the numbers suggest Pat is biased in favor of Scranton. And even if Pat wanted to spite Scranton, the most damage he could do is leave him off his ballot entirely which would  cost Scranton ~15 points total. As the Editor of this site for more than two decades, he's far more concerned about the integrity of the poll than he is wherever Scranton falls in it.

Out of curiosity, where would you rank Scranton right now? And what teams would put in front of the Lady Royals?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2020, 10:55:44 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on February 10, 2020, 10:48:20 AM
As the Editor of this site for more than two decades, he's far more concerned about the integrity of the poll than he is wherever Scranton falls in it.

This -- nails it on the head. The poll is no place for my personal feelings. Plus, as Gordon noted, I identify as a CAC alumnus, not a Landmark alumnus. :)

Last week, I had Bethel 9, George Fox 13, Scranton 14. This week I have George Fox 11, Scranton 12, Bethel 15.

Hope this helps. You should go ribbit at other voters -- Dave doesn't vote in the women's poll, and I am actually above average on Scranton, and was below average on Bethel already.

I do hope someday you are done posting about this sort of stuff, Rofrog. There's no need to keep grinding this axe.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 10, 2020, 11:46:36 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2020, 10:55:44 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on February 10, 2020, 10:48:20 AM
As the Editor of this site for more than two decades, he's far more concerned about the integrity of the poll than he is wherever Scranton falls in it.

This -- nails it on the head. The poll is no place for my personal feelings. Plus, as Gordon noted, I identify as a CAC alumnus, not a Landmark alumnus. :)

Last week, I had Bethel 9, George Fox 13, Scranton 14. This week I have George Fox 11, Scranton 12, Bethel 15.

Hope this helps. You should go ribbit at other voters -- Dave doesn't vote in the women's poll, and I am actually above average on Scranton, and was below average on Bethel already.

I do hope someday you are done posting about this sort of stuff, Rofrog. There's no need to keep grinding this axe.

And would encourage you three to stop responding.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 10, 2020, 12:42:14 PM
Fair enough.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 10, 2020, 02:30:43 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on February 10, 2020, 12:42:14 PM
Fair enough.

wait that is no fun.  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 10, 2020, 03:36:43 PM
First and foremost I want to apologize to Dave i thought he was a voter!So my bad!Pat i think Scranton is a top ten team,Yes they lost 3 they redeemed two,The third one they cant to far apart!But yes Scranton should be up in the top ten.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 10, 2020, 04:01:06 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on February 10, 2020, 03:36:43 PM
First and foremost I want to apologize to Dave i thought he was a voter!So my bad!Pat i think Scranton is a top ten team,Yes they lost 3 they redeemed two,The third one they cant to far apart!But yes Scranton should be up in the top ten.

I appreciate the apology. I do vote on the men's side only, but it doesn't mean I don't pay attention to the women's side. I am well versed on the women's side ... I just don't happen to vote on it. We take as close to a 50/50 split in guests on Hoopsville between genders, so I stay on top of it all.

That said ... who would you not rank in the Top 10 to include Scranton? I looked at the previous poll (not Monday evenings as it isn't out when I post this) and I found one school in the Top 10 I would probably rank Scranton ahead ... BUT I found only maybe three I would rank behind them between 1 and 17. That means I would have Scranton probably about 14, maybe 13, if I ranked (looking at just the Top 25 and not all of the team I normally look at; though, women tend to be a little more top heavy then the men).

I'll add one more note: I have worked in sports and news media my entire adult life and with the experience of being in the Sports Information Office at Goucher and the scorer's table since my freshman year, I've grown to be pretty unbias in just about everything. I also have worked for professional organizations as an announcer and in clubhouses of MLB teams (for MLB). The fact I fooled my favorite baseball team since childhood into them thinking I'm probably a fan of the home team speaks volumes to me. I go to professional games as 'fan' and don't even cheer much. I watch the game. I don't have axes to grind or take out "biases" against anyone or any other team. I don't even know what it is like to have a rooting interest as my alma mater hasn't been a factor for a very long time. So any bias you may think I have against Scranton I can assure you doesn't exist. I like all teams in Division III and I've gotten to know the Scranton administration and coaches extremely well and on a personal level. My perspective is as one who knows the Division III landscape well and certainly appreciates the Mid-Atlantic (and larger area) conferences and Landmark Conference very much. When I present my opinion on something, I have thought it out and weighed it against as much of a national perspective as I can bring ... as much as Pat and Gordon do as well.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 10, 2020, 06:34:39 PM

Just my 2 cents...

The Lady Royals should be 13th. this week.

Can't kick the teams already in the Top 10 out as they kept winning or have just one or two losses.

As far as the Regional outlook, I'll go with the following for the first installment:

*G-burg-19-2

*Scranton-18-3

*Haverford-18-3

*Chris-Newport-18-4

*Albright-19-2

*Messiah-18-4

*Widener-17-4
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 10, 2020, 07:14:23 PM

Well, at least the d3 prognosticators didn't move the Lady Royals from 17th. to 21st. after winning two games this past week.

So, we've got that going for us.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 10, 2020, 07:31:05 PM
Scranton moved a whopping 30 pts in 3 weeks after 6 wins over At Etown early loss and Catholic at home by double digits but when they lost 3 games to the number 9th team a team 10-8 and 17-4 you lose 370 but lose to a 2-18 team and fall to 11th I just asked the voters on top 25 to explain!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 10, 2020, 08:56:52 PM
 Just a reminder of the difference between men's/women's bball rules:
Lady Royals had the ball in backcourt Sat(1st quarter) and called timeout before 10 sec count; count does not reset in women's ball after timeout but coaching staff and players seemed to be unaware and the 10-sec violation occurred soon after inbounding. In the men's game(CNU vs York) Sat, the same situation occurred but the count resets to 0 for the men on inbounding.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 10, 2020, 10:20:25 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 10, 2020, 08:56:52 PM
Just a reminder of the difference between men's/women's bball rules:
Lady Royals had the ball in backcourt Sat(1st quarter) and called timeout before 10 sec count; count does not reset in women's ball after timeout but coaching staff and players seemed to be unaware and the 10-sec violation occurred soon after inbounding. In the men's game(CNU vs York) Sat, the same situation occurred but the count resets to 0 for the men on inbounding.
except shot clock operator only reset one of the two shot clocks in CNU vs York.  faked out multiple fans looking at closest shot clock (displaying 21) and remembering WBB game just 90 minutes before where York had 10 second violation in similiar situation
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 11, 2020, 12:14:57 AM
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 10, 2020, 10:20:25 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 10, 2020, 08:56:52 PM
Just a reminder of the difference between men's/women's bball rules:
Lady Royals had the ball in backcourt Sat(1st quarter) and called timeout before 10 sec count; count does not reset in women's ball after timeout but coaching staff and players seemed to be unaware and the 10-sec violation occurred soon after inbounding. In the men's game(CNU vs York) Sat, the same situation occurred but the count resets to 0 for the men on inbounding.
except shot clock operator only reset one of the two shot clocks in CNU vs York.  faked out multiple fans looking at closest shot clock (displaying 21) and remembering WBB game just 90 minutes before where York had 10 second violation in similiar situation

  21 secs was correct for the shot clock; only the 10 sec count for getting the ball possessed in front court gets reset to 0, not the shot clock.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 11, 2020, 07:41:30 AM
got it.  so in other words, when going from women's to men's game, ignore shot clock for back court violation.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 11, 2020, 09:46:06 AM
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 11, 2020, 07:41:30 AM
got it.  so in other words, when going from women's to men's game, ignore shot clock for back court violation.

The refs will use the shot clock for 10 sec violation if there's no stoppage otherwise(foul, ball knocked out of bounds, timeout, etc.) but once a stoppage has occurred, then the trailing ref has to use his personal visible arm count to 10.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2020, 01:08:57 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 11, 2020, 09:46:06 AM
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 11, 2020, 07:41:30 AM
got it.  so in other words, when going from women's to men's game, ignore shot clock for back court violation.

The refs will use the shot clock for 10 sec violation if there's no stoppage otherwise(foul, ball knocked out of bounds, timeout, etc.) but once a stoppage has occurred, then the trailing ref has to use his personal visible arm count to 10.

Not quite true ... they can still use the clock, they just reset where the violation time will be used. 21-10 = 11.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 11, 2020, 01:45:05 PM
https://twitter.com/nickdipillo/status/1227255946793160706?s=21


At least they are trying.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2020, 02:08:19 PM
Curious: how many here go to games? I realize not everyone is "nearby," so of those who are "nearby" how many go?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 11, 2020, 02:46:14 PM
When I went to Scranton in the 90s and in working there afterwards, I attended virtually every home game and the occasional games in Wilkes Barre. 

Now that I live just outside Philly, I've tried to get to most of the games in the Philly area (Del Val, Arcadia, Gwynedd, Cabrini) but wasn't as successful with that this year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 11, 2020, 04:01:43 PM
last year went up to Scranton for sweet 16 WBB thriller against CNU.  heart breaking loss.  first time i've ever been to Scranton and never knew about their big Saint Patty Day parade tradition until last year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 11, 2020, 04:08:31 PM
I attend alot and I mean alot!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 11, 2020, 04:09:21 PM
Home and away and Trips
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 11, 2020, 04:54:56 PM
 Just the southern swing during the regular season: E-town, Goucher, Catholic, York, Stevenson

For the NCAA: anywhere within 4 hours
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 11, 2020, 05:01:30 PM
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 11, 2020, 04:01:43 PM
last year went up to Scranton for sweet 16 WBB thriller against CNU.  heart breaking loss.  first time i've ever been to Scranton and never knew about their big Saint Patty Day parade tradition until last year.

Is your daughter 1 of the big reserves last season and a starter this season? I talked with that player and her dad at that tourney game last season to find out how I missed her during her AAU season for evaluation.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 11, 2020, 06:47:17 PM

Make as many as I can during the regular season when the job in Upstate NY allows.

Playoffs are another story.

Great to see the coach stirring things up on campus.

Just heard that not to be outdone, Danzig is is offering to buy shots of Gran Patron tequila before, during & after the men's next home game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 11, 2020, 07:11:40 PM
It was nice to see the  Scranton Times have a nice write up on Sunday of both Teams !
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals81 on February 11, 2020, 08:32:25 PM
I've attended 6 Lady Royals games in person this season - 4 home and 2 away. 
I'll try to attend as many post-season games as possible, depending on work commitments.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 11, 2020, 08:33:11 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 11, 2020, 06:47:17 PM

Make as many as I can during the regular season when the job in Upstate NY allows.

Playoffs are another story.

Great to see the coach stirring things up on campus.

Just heard that not to be outdone, Danzig is is offering to buy shots of Gran Patron tequila before, during & after the men's next home game.

It is a start...it is really sad how the students don't support.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2020, 09:45:58 PM
I have found student support at a lot of schools has waned. There are so many things now to do, that small colleges have to make a bigger effort to get students to events of any kind. This certainly isn't just an athletics "problem."

It is too bad. I remember when we supported all other student-athletes and teams. We would also encourage other students to join us at other games. And in turn, I went to many a concert, dance recital, etc. I am not sure that happens as much anymore. Maybe cliques are far more common or less crossover? I am completely guessing on that as I certainly don't know the campus life anymore.

It just takes some new tactics to get students to support teams. It would start with other teams supporting one another as well. Then the teams and department try and coordinate with the university to get more students to games ... but it takes a concerted effort to even keep traditions alive.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2020, 03:34:40 PM
Women's first Regional Rankings released.

https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/women-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 12, 2020, 04:37:56 PM
more "distraction events" even at smaller universities these days compared to 10 or 15 years ago.  Then, sports was main entertainment.  nowadays, eSports, intramural or club sports, whatever club that interests you.  most universities promote that they have almost an unlimited myriad of clubs (for our interests) for you to take part of.
Women's basketball has been waning considerably in last 5 years.  Less and less girls participate in HS and AAU.  In our local area, girls LOVE volleyball and soccer over basketball.  When the girls get to HS, they specialize in one sport many times to the exclusion of basketball.  many D3 female players are not "multi-sport athletes" in HS.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Roundball999 on February 12, 2020, 06:08:07 PM
As a Hope College fan, we're fortunate that Hope has led D3 in attendance for 11 consecutive years.  There are probably many contributing factors including a great coach who has stayed 20+ years, consistently excellent teams, and a fabulous arena for the D3 level.  Less obvious factors might include a small city in a heavy snow region (not much else to do?), demographics including walking distance from a small city center, Dutch heritage and community and affiliation with the Reformed Church in America - apparently they are great basketball fans :)

Student support has been great too and that helps but it's only a part of what drives attendance.  Coach Morehouse is very active in the community and so are his players.  Numerous community events, Special Olympics, Miracle League, various fundraisers for charities and so forth help keep the team visible in the community and the local news.  They do it for the charity, not the visibility, but it doesn't hurt.  They've also built strong relationships with the nearby retirement communities and there are whole sections of the bleachers that fill with elderly fans who mingle with players and parents after games.  A great Rivalry also helps (Hope/Calvin) but both schools also do their part to maximize the build-up and visibility for Rivalry games.

I know it sounds like I'm shilling for Hope (guilty) but I was really trying to think what they do that's maybe non-traditional to get such outstanding attendance.  In retrospect, I think it's a lot of things combined and most importantly - they really work at all of it.  It doesn't just happen.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 13, 2020, 02:05:41 AM
Watched the number 4 team in womens basketball Whitewater at Plateville I have to say really enjoyed the atmosphere that band is great.Have to say voters if you're not impressed with Scrantons one point win over Susquehanna dont be impressed with Depauws 4 point win Ot over 7 -14 Alleghany or Whitwaters win tonight over the pioneers have to say really enjoyed the band!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 13, 2020, 07:29:42 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 11, 2020, 05:01:30 PM
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 11, 2020, 04:01:43 PM
last year went up to Scranton for sweet 16 WBB thriller against CNU.  heart breaking loss.  first time i've ever been to Scranton and never knew about their big Saint Patty Day parade tradition until last year.

Is your daughter 1 of the big reserves last season and a starter this season? I talked with that player and her dad at that tourney game last season to find out how I missed her during her AAU season for evaluation.
no, that is most likely Nat's dad.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 13, 2020, 09:42:53 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on February 13, 2020, 02:05:41 AM
Watched the number 4 team in womens basketball Whitewater at Plateville I have to say really enjoyed the atmosphere that band is great.Have to say voters if you're not impressed with Scrantons one point win over Susquehanna dont be impressed with Depauws 4 point win Ot over 7 -14 Alleghany or Whitwaters win tonight over the pioneers have to say really enjoyed the band!

Yeah get a small pep band should be the way to go here... <300 in the building last night. I appreciate the sentiment for free popcorn...but... get a band, do a half court shot for some prizes, etc... paging Dave Martin..
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 13, 2020, 09:50:33 AM
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 13, 2020, 07:29:42 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 11, 2020, 05:01:30 PM
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 11, 2020, 04:01:43 PM
last year went up to Scranton for sweet 16 WBB thriller against CNU.  heart breaking loss.  first time i've ever been to Scranton and never knew about their big Saint Patty Day parade tradition until last year.

Is your daughter 1 of the big reserves last season and a starter this season? I talked with that player and her dad at that tourney game last season to find out how I missed her during her AAU season for evaluation.
no, that is most likely Nat's dad.

Yes, that's the player to whom I was referring.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 14, 2020, 01:09:40 PM
if both scranton and catholic finish with same conference record, how is #1 seed determine for conf tourney?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 14, 2020, 02:22:41 PM
 Head-to-head is the 1st, which in this case, is a split; then u work your way down the standings until the tie is broken - vs 3rd, then 4th, etc.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 14, 2020, 02:46:44 PM
In other words, if both Scranton and CUA win out, then it depends on whether E'town or Moravian finishes higher in the standings. If E-town finishes higher, then Catholic wins the tie breaker. And if Moravian finishes higher, then Scranton wins it.

Have I got that right? If so, the last game between Moravian and E'town looms large.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 14, 2020, 02:55:50 PM
 That's right, along with the 4-way battle(add Drew and Susquehanna to E-town and Moravian)) for the 3rd and 4th spots in the conference playoff.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 16, 2020, 09:27:30 AM

Watching yesterday's game I have to wonder why Sophia wasn't given any help trying to slow down Gracie as she dominated in the post during the 3rd. & first part of the 4th. quarters?

Once you allow easy passes that deep and Sophia is playing behind her, there isn't that much that can be done...especially when the refs are calling things tight.

Why not place Danielle in front of her to deny the easy passes and cheat on one of their other players?

Or, try a 2/3 zone and box her up & force them to hit from the outside until they prove they can or get them to try and force the ball in where turnovers happen? No offense, but it isn't like Juniata is the second coming of Tufts.

Sophia played her tough but once you allow uncontested passes that low into such a good player, not much anyone can do.

If the Lady Royals plan to play a few extra games this season, they better have some contingency plans ready for situations such as this.

Their response yesterday leaves me believing they're not quite there.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 16, 2020, 10:20:47 AM
  My sense is that your suggestions are "old school" - don't let a team(or best player) beat u with what they do best; make the lesser players beat u doing things they're not using to doing(making plays) - maybe, "new school" considers that too negative - that one can't win by playing straight up.
  I had the same feeling about the men's team earlier in the season when the Arcadia guard lit them up with 43 points.
The Lady Royals could use a different offensive inbounding strategy, also; the defenders seem to have too good a chance to intercept when you're depending on the receiver to catch a pass running from 20' feet away.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 16, 2020, 10:29:51 AM

Don't get me wrong....I'm all for innovation, metrics and a fresh way of looking at similar issues.

But when one person is putting a team solely on her back and has scored 95% of her teams points over a 12 minute span, then whether it's "old school" or not, you need to make adjustments.

Also agree on the extremely lazy entry passes.

They need to present several options coming toward the ball as opposed to a singular option going away from it.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 16, 2020, 02:00:26 PM
It shouldn't have had to come down to needing a strong 4th quarter to beat Juniata.  They should have made the adjustments to not let them back into the game in the third.  They can't get away with that in March.

That said, with Gettysburg's loss, they have the same record but Scranton's SOS is slightly better so Scranton could move into 2nd when the next regional rankings come out.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 17, 2020, 09:16:33 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on February 14, 2020, 02:46:44 PM
In other words, if both Scranton and CUA win out, then it depends on whether E'town or Moravian finishes higher in the standings. If E-town finishes higher, then Catholic wins the tie breaker. And if Moravian finishes higher, then Scranton wins it.

Have I got that right? If so, the last game between Moravian and E'town looms large.
what if both E'town and Moravian finish tied?  who currently has that tie breaker?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 17, 2020, 10:05:09 AM

If they finished tied as well, I'm pretty sure Landmark by-laws go to Rofrog for the tie breaker.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 17, 2020, 11:52:24 AM
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 17, 2020, 09:16:33 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on February 14, 2020, 02:46:44 PM
In other words, if both Scranton and CUA win out, then it depends on whether E'town or Moravian finishes higher in the standings. If E-town finishes higher, then Catholic wins the tie breaker. And if Moravian finishes higher, then Scranton wins it.

Have I got that right? If so, the last game between Moravian and E'town looms large.
what if both E'town and Moravian finish tied?  who currently has that tie breaker?

Depends on who is 1st and 2nd; if Catholic is 1st, then Moravian,being 1-1 vs Catholic, would win the tiebreaker for 3rd, since E-town is 0-2 vs Catholic. If Scranton is 1st, then E-town would win the tiebreaker for 3rd.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 17, 2020, 05:22:04 PM
if Catholic ties Scranton for #1 AND E-Town ties Moravian for #3, which tie breaker resolves first?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 17, 2020, 07:00:52 PM
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 17, 2020, 05:22:04 PM
if Catholic ties Scranton for #1 AND E-Town ties Moravian for #3, which tie breaker resolves first?

I've never heard of a league that doesn't resolved them top to bottom.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 17, 2020, 07:53:42 PM
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 17, 2020, 05:22:04 PM
if Catholic ties Scranton for #1 AND E-Town ties Moravian for #3, which tie breaker resolves first?

Decscending from the top; each tie will be broken differently depending on whether it is 12-2,11-3, or 10-4 for 1st and 9-5 or 8-6 for 3rd.

Here's the Landmark tiebreaker:
https://www.landmarkconference.org/championships/tiebreakers
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 17, 2020, 10:51:44 PM
I like Landmark tie-breaker better than CAC
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2020, 11:05:22 PM
I think the Landmark could get rid of the non-conference stuff. I think that begs to have other factors determine things. Other conferences use regional rankings to break it up. I'm fine with that.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 18, 2020, 08:59:22 PM
 And on the women's, the schedule quirk is that the 2 battling for the regular season title(Catholic & Scranton) have the same final 2 game schedule(Drew on the road and Goucher @ home).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2020, 03:08:19 PM
The second week Regional Rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/women-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 19, 2020, 11:51:39 PM
 Lady Royals remain tied with Catholic heading into final regular season game. If they remain tied @ 12-2, tiebreaker will be Catholic, if E-town defeats Moravian for 3rd place. If Moravian wins and ties E-town for 3rd, tiebreaker will be Scranton by virtue of a better road record than Catholic(6-1 vs 5-2).
  If the 1st place tie is @ 11-3, then it's Catholic if E-town wins and Scranton if Moravian wins by virtue of Scranton's better record vs Drew(2-0 vs 1-1). 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 22, 2020, 06:30:02 PM
Hell of a game going on in Madison today as Drew and Catholic are in OT. 

Ultimately the outcome won't matter for Landmark standings by virtue of Moravian's win (as Ronk noted... even if Scranton/Catholic are tied, it will go to the 6th tiebreaker of road conference win %age, which goes to Scranton).  But it was still a great game to watch.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 22, 2020, 07:59:56 PM
Scranton is the number 1 seed they play Etown not moravian and I notice you already have Catholic Hosting the 29th keep it professional  on your Saturday Recap !
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 22, 2020, 08:08:40 PM
 No, they'll play the #4 seed Moravian; E-town is #3 because of a better record against the #1 seed Scranton.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 23, 2020, 01:02:05 AM
QuoteScranton is the number 1 seed they play Etown not moravian and I notice you already have Catholic Hosting the 29th keep it professional  on your Saturday Recap !

Catholic's schedule automatically feeds through our page because we're both on Presto. They list all the games through the tournament finale, so it's on our page unless we change the default (which I did). If you scroll down, you'll see that's the case with other tournaments. We're not projecting Southwestern to win three games in the SCAC tournament...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 23, 2020, 07:05:38 AM
Thanks Gordon,Watched some of Messiah-Albright game yesterday.Wow is that Dejah Terrell good!!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 23, 2020, 09:43:57 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on February 23, 2020, 07:05:38 AM
Thanks Gordon,Watched some of Messiah-Albright game yesterday.Wow is that Dejah Terrell good!!!!

Thought Dejah would have gone D2 when I saw her in AAU ball a few years ago.
What did u think of Leah Springer(Messiah)? We're from the same area growing up but Scranton was too far away from home for her.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 23, 2020, 10:50:17 AM
Pretty impressed with her too!!Dejah is only a sophomore,When I turned it on she just came in and Albright was down 21-13 she buried two 3s the girl was right on her nothing but net!!!If she had the cast around her omg,she carries that team alot!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 23, 2020, 04:44:42 PM
Yeah, I had the same reaction when I watched Dejah Terrell. Springer has had a great season, too. I wish we put her on Preseason All-Americans.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 23, 2020, 05:00:41 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on February 23, 2020, 04:44:42 PM
Yeah, I had the same reaction when I watched Dejah Terrell. Springer has had a great season, too. I wish we put her on Preseason All-Americans.

Understandable miss, Gordon. Leah missed all of last year with an injury, but I knew what she was capable of if she made a good recovery.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2020, 06:43:54 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on February 23, 2020, 07:05:38 AM
Thanks Gordon,Watched some of Messiah-Albright game yesterday.Wow is that Dejah Terrell good!!!!

I think you forgot some words...

"I'm sorry, Gordon. I mistakenly assumed information there without knowing what was really going on."
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2020, 06:45:27 PM
rofrog - we are on the air with Hoopsville tonight: http://bit.ly/2T6OV1S. It would be worth tuning into to better understand how this all works.

Thursday we will be on the air at 7:00 PM

Next Sunday at 6:00 PM (and for hours).

The following Monday at 7:00 PM (likely).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 26, 2020, 02:23:10 PM
Women's third regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/women-regional-rankings-third
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 26, 2020, 06:44:40 PM

Regarding tonights Lady Royal/Moravian game....

Scranton has to take smarter shots (3 pointers with 4 players out of position) won't help the cause.

They need to go right at the Moravian post and take higher % shots which lead to 2 things, fouls & second chance shots.

And then obviously, keep pressure on MCap and don't let her get on an unconscious scoring binge.

Always hard to beat a team 3 times in a season & although Scranton has generally handled Moravian...even a blind squirrel finds a nut now & then.

Best of luck Lady Royals.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 26, 2020, 08:50:26 PM
The Greyhounds gave the Royals all they could handle, but the Royals made some good adjustments at the half (especially against Ewald) to pull away.  Mason was a woman on a mission tonight. 

Best of luck on Saturday against Catholic.  Should be another great game between those two!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 28, 2020, 01:03:22 PM
They are offering $100 on your cafeteria account for kids to show up Saturday (via raffle at half time)....again a move in the right direction... take some time in the off-season...add a pep band, half court shot contest.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2020, 01:28:51 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 28, 2020, 01:03:22 PM
They are offering $100 on your cafeteria account for kids to show up Saturday (via raffle at half time)....again a move in the right direction... take some time in the off-season...add a pep band, half court shot contest.

"Add a pep band" ... you make it seem so easy.

And some of the best DIII atmospheres I've been in ... haven't had a pep band. Not a single instrument in sight. I used to play in a pep band in high school and they are cool, but they are not the be-all and end-all of making atmospheres better.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 28, 2020, 02:23:59 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2020, 01:28:51 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 28, 2020, 01:03:22 PM
They are offering $100 on your cafeteria account for kids to show up Saturday (via raffle at half time)....again a move in the right direction... take some time in the off-season...add a pep band, half court shot contest.

"Add a pep band" ... you make it seem so easy.

And some of the best DIII atmospheres I've been in ... haven't had a pep band. Not a single instrument in sight. I used to play in a pep band in high school and they are cool, but they are not the be-all and end-all of making atmospheres better.

Okay enlighten me then Dave on what you would do?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 28, 2020, 03:51:35 PM
I like a good pep band.

Heck, even a bad pep band is amusing in a different way. I covered a school in the NESCAC that used to have like four musicians, one of which played the triangle. It was charming in its own way. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2020, 04:43:39 PM
I'm not against pep bands, but they don't just grow on trees. It requires someone being in charge of said-band and that means another full-time individual. It requires practice space and many other requirements that I can't even think of this moment. Not to mention ... do they have enough people interested in being part of the band?

I have no idea what works or doesn't work at Scranton, but someone who knows how to play music and add to the atmosphere is something worth considering - and a lot cheaper than someone to run a pep band.

But more importantly, there are things you can do just to promote ... public relations is always the best tactic. I have seen it work tremendously well and seen it fail. A program has to make an effort. You guys have a minor league team up there ... they do a lot of these things.

That all said ... there is a chance Scranton is fine with how things are (I don't want to assume anything about anything) ... and this is just your complaint on these boards. I have no idea. My point is: just because there are complaints here doesn't mean it is an actual problem.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 28, 2020, 04:55:55 PM
I don't know how it is at Scranton NOW, but I know that the idea of a pep band at Scranton was broached in the 90s when I was a student there. 

For pep bands there is a unique intersection of ability in music and interest in sports, in addition to (as Dave noted) having a committed faculty member to run it and the requirements of time, space and instruments.  Given all of those variables (and concern from the band directors there that it would poach some of their performers), we couldn't get a pep band off the ground.

We did come to a sort of compromise and briefly had a kazoo "band" in the student section, which was fun, but there wasn't enough interest to sustain that.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Roundball999 on February 28, 2020, 05:42:52 PM
I am aware of some D3 programs that invite local high school bands or ensembles to play at games, especially rivalry or other big games.  Seems to work well for both sides.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 28, 2020, 06:08:09 PM
Remember the year NYU brought a band and the U had one for a year or two!I say for entertainment you bring the top 25 voters in at half/No that will not work all they would talk about is how great the Nescac is(Joking)Talk about entertainment who remembers when they brought Morton Downey Jr,You talk about the death stear holy **** lmao!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 28, 2020, 06:10:33 PM
The President was not happy!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 28, 2020, 06:55:39 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on February 28, 2020, 03:51:35 PM
I like a good pep band.

Heck, even a bad pep band is amusing in a different way. I covered a school in the NESCAC that used to have like four musicians, one of which played the triangle. It was charming in its own way. :)

:)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 28, 2020, 07:16:37 PM
Dave

Not a complaint, it's a fact attendance is down and the coach is trying to address it. So I'd say it's a real issue.  I'm trying to offer up solutions. Attendance at men's and women's games is way down. They have a music program and a band program. I would think it would be something worth exploring.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on February 28, 2020, 07:25:05 PM
Agreed-Great idea by coach to get the students involved!The Halftime show will be one on one Dean(The Machine)Corwin  vs  Happy Harry (The Guzzler)Deemer
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 29, 2020, 05:54:48 PM
Congratulations to the Lady Royals on your Landmark Conference championship!  Makenzie Mason once again played with a purpose in leading them to victory.

I did want to say how impressed I have been with Bridget Monaghan's growth this year.  When I saw her highlight reel and her play early in the season, I was concerned with how often she forced up rushed, off-balanced shots.  But she has learned to make better decisions with the ball.  She has played much more composed of late.  In this game of note, she had a couple of instances where earlier in the year she would have put up an awkward contested shot, but today she used her head fake well and drove to the basket for the higher percentage layup.

Best of luck in the NCAA tournament, ladies.  Hopefully Catholic can join you there!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 29, 2020, 06:47:07 PM
 Hopefully, Catholic is selected but they have 4(Messiah-Albright loser,Widener,Gettysburg,UMW) candidates ahead of them in the MA region rankings before they get to the selection table; it could happen.
Good effort by the Lady Royals; Catholic plays their helping defense well and consistently gives Scranton trouble with it. But PLAYERS make plays and Mac and Bridget did today to hold off Catholic.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 01, 2020, 12:54:44 AM
Ronk I think Catholic gets in they beat Haverford,Scranton,Marymount that is some nice wins!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 01, 2020, 05:53:21 PM

Congrats to Coach, his assistants & certainly all the Lady Royal's (most certainly this Senior class), for another year of championship basketball.

I think the turning point for this season came when Coach realized that as much as he hopes to coach kids in a run & gun offense...first you need to have those players. Understanding what he had personnel wise & the game that suits their strengths & what had been so successful for them and going back to that style was huge.

I think I read somewhere that this group of Seniors have only experienced something like 12 losses in 4 years.

Half the D3 teams across the country have that many losses by January so what these kids have accomplished is pretty special.

Here's to hoping they get to play together at least one more weekend in the Long Center...they've certainly earned it!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 02, 2020, 01:12:39 AM
I have a question on your mock picking for pool c tonight,First does the committe use the 3rd regional rankings or do they have a final ranking and if they do have a final ranking what's not to say Cathiloc which made it to the Championship game doesnt move up in the final rankings I mean widener didnt even make it to the championship game and I think when you talk about regional ranked teams Catholic beat number 1 Marymount number 2 Scranton and  a divison champ.which I think moves up to number 4 in the final regional rankings  -Haverford?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2020, 01:28:54 AM
Catholic did beat those teams, but also lost to Mary Washington. If the committee insists on keeping Mary Washington in that spot and having Catholic behind them because of the head-to-head result, Catholic won't get in.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 02, 2020, 05:24:56 PM
I'm just so glad they split up the Middle Atlantic teams like they did with the Nescac!!!lol
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 03, 2020, 12:01:32 AM
Dave McHugh-I love that question you asked Karin about have no teams name on and have it blank.Just put numbers on it !Love that idea great question!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 03, 2020, 12:36:34 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on March 03, 2020, 12:01:32 AM
Dave McHugh-I love that question you asked Karin about have no teams name on and have it blank.Just put numbers on it !Love that idea great question!

I've asked it a few times to different people ... I don't think I've gotten the same answer twice.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 03, 2020, 12:39:26 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on March 02, 2020, 01:12:39 AM
I have a question on your mock picking for pool c tonight,First does the committe use the 3rd regional rankings or do they have a final ranking and if they do have a final ranking what's not to say Cathiloc which made it to the Championship game doesnt move up in the final rankings I mean widener didnt even make it to the championship game and I think when you talk about regional ranked teams Catholic beat number 1 Marymount number 2 Scranton and  a divison champ.which I think moves up to number 4 in the final regional rankings  -Haverford?

In case it was never updated ... there is a whole other set of rankings. The RACs met on Sunday morning and did their work (including those who presented options for conference title games that hadn't finished). Then the national committee got together and made any adjustments they felt necessary. THEN the vRRO data is retabulated after the conference championship game are over and using the national committee's "final" rankings. That vRRO data is compiled from the Week 3 rankings and that "final" rankings. That is the ONLY time vRRO comes from two set of rankings. The committee looks over the data and makes another set of adjustments if (probably) necessary. Then they proceed forward.

Final rankings have now been posted, by the way. You can find them on our website.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 03, 2020, 01:45:25 AM
My question to Dave is you do so much for the game of Basketball on both ends have you ever been offered to sit on the committee of either the Men or Women you would be a big help to them.I heard Karin say we Volunteer for this I think you need someone outside the box to ask them question like you do before they put the bracket together.I understand no one is perfect but your knowledge of the game would help them outside the box as a fan perspective rather then someone that is part of the game !Just my thought
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 03, 2020, 08:22:18 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on March 03, 2020, 01:45:25 AM
My question to Dave is you do so much for the game of Basketball on both ends have you ever been offered to sit on the committee of either the Men or Women you would be a big help to them.I heard Karin say we Volunteer for this I think you need someone outside the box to ask them question like you do before they put the bracket together.I understand no one is perfect but your knowledge of the game would help them outside the box as a fan perspective rather then someone that is part of the game !Just my thought

You have to an employee of an NCAA institution and nominated, usually to a RAC at least once, before you get national committee duties.  It's quite the process, which is why not every coach is into the time commitment.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 03, 2020, 10:01:54 AM
Another post season, another trip to Scranton...they're deserving a lot of the time, but they're also in a great location it seems.  Anyone happen to know how many NCAA tournament games Scranton has played at home?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 03, 2020, 01:31:54 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 03, 2020, 08:22:18 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on March 03, 2020, 01:45:25 AM
My question to Dave is you do so much for the game of Basketball on both ends have you ever been offered to sit on the committee of either the Men or Women you would be a big help to them.I heard Karin say we Volunteer for this I think you need someone outside the box to ask them question like you do before they put the bracket together.I understand no one is perfect but your knowledge of the game would help them outside the box as a fan perspective rather then someone that is part of the game !Just my thought

You have to an employee of an NCAA institution and nominated, usually to a RAC at least once, before you get national committee duties.  It's quite the process, which is why not every coach is into the time commitment.

First off .. yes, I've asked if I can be part of the process at least as a media member to see how it all happens and how it all works. That has been received well, but hasn't been allowed. You might notice, there are never media members even embedded with the D1 process either.

And as Ryan said ... you have to be an NCAA member. I don't qualify, unfortunately. I do try and talk extensively with those who do spend time on the committees - both on air and a ton off air. Sometimes we get incredible information out of that to understand it all. Other times, I seem to get confusing or irrelevant information. :)

Though, those conversations are where I try and put nuggets in their minds about better ideas or ways to do things. I try and do it respectfully and sometimes it is then explained why my ideas don't work. Other times, they do consider them. I think a lot of the changes we have seen over the years have come from people like Pat, Gordon, Ryan, and myself bringing up ideas on air and off that make their way through the committees. I've even done it in other sports, though clearly not nearly as much as I do in basketball.

But I appreciate your kind words about my knowledge.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 03, 2020, 03:29:09 PM
I took the liberty of looking back at Scranton's schedule from the 06-07 season through the 18-19 season...if I'm correct, they made the tournament in 11 of 13 years and hosted the first two rounds 9 times, then hosted the sectionals 4 times.  In those 11 tournaments, they won 17 of 22 games at home and 1 of 6 on the road (does not include loss at Salem last year)...so, what does all this mean?  Well, Scranton hosts A LOT and wins most of their games at home, while they seem to struggle on the road, but I do acknowledge that 3 of those 5 road losses are against sectional opponents.  When you win a lot of games during the regular season and are in a great geographical location, that's a tough combination to beat when it comes to hosting privileges...I think I'm just jealous.  Oh, if you include this season, make that hosting the first two rounds 10 out of 12 years...I wonder if any of the NESCAC schools have hosted this much?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 03, 2020, 03:33:42 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 03, 2020, 03:29:09 PM
I took the liberty of looking back at Scranton's schedule from the 06-07 season through the 18-19 season...if I'm correct, they made the tournament in 11 of 13 years and hosted the first two rounds 9 times, then hosted the sectionals 4 times.  In those 11 tournaments, they won 17 of 22 games at home and 1 of 6 on the road (does not include loss at Salem last year)...so, what does all this mean?  Well, Scranton hosts A LOT and wins most of their games at home, while they seem to struggle on the road, but I do acknowledge that 3 of those 5 road losses are against sectional opponents.  When you win a lot of games during the regular season and are in a great geographical location, that's a tough combination to beat when it comes to hosting privileges...I think I'm just jealous.  Oh, if you include this season, make that hosting the first two rounds 10 out of 12 years...I wonder if any of the NESCAC schools have hosted this much?

Most of the favorites in that NESCAC comparison also have men's programs who are perennial Top 25 and NCAA tournament favorites. As a result, they tend to lose hosting chances (either gender) because of the priorities given for each weekend on which years. Scranton has had a good men's team, but not nearly as good as some of those NESCACs and thus aren't usually in the same situation for hosting - don't qualify for the tournament as often, either.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 03, 2020, 04:38:02 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 03, 2020, 03:33:42 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 03, 2020, 03:29:09 PM
I took the liberty of looking back at Scranton's schedule from the 06-07 season through the 18-19 season...if I'm correct, they made the tournament in 11 of 13 years and hosted the first two rounds 9 times, then hosted the sectionals 4 times.  In those 11 tournaments, they won 17 of 22 games at home and 1 of 6 on the road (does not include loss at Salem last year)...so, what does all this mean?  Well, Scranton hosts A LOT and wins most of their games at home, while they seem to struggle on the road, but I do acknowledge that 3 of those 5 road losses are against sectional opponents.  When you win a lot of games during the regular season and are in a great geographical location, that's a tough combination to beat when it comes to hosting privileges...I think I'm just jealous.  Oh, if you include this season, make that hosting the first two rounds 10 out of 12 years...I wonder if any of the NESCAC schools have hosted this much?

Most of the favorites in that NESCAC comparison also have men's programs who are perennial Top 25 and NCAA tournament favorites. As a result, they tend to lose hosting chances (either gender) because of the priorities given for each weekend on which years. Scranton has had a good men's team, but not nearly as good as some of those NESCACs and thus aren't usually in the same situation for hosting - don't qualify for the tournament as often, either.

Good point, Dave....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 03, 2020, 08:19:32 PM
Swish amazing you didnt do that for the nescac also!!!Did you realize since that year  you mention 2006 that the nescac had one team host then in 2009 until today there was  two to three teams hosting from the nescac except 2016 when Bowdin hosted.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 03, 2020, 08:29:42 PM
Nescac teams hosted 2006&7 Bowdoin 2008 no one 2009,10,11-Amherst&Bowdoin,2012Amherst&Williams,2013 Amhesrt&'Williams,2014&15-Bowdoin&Tufts,2016-Bowdoin,2017Amherst&Tufts,2018&19Amherst,Tufts&Bowdoin.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2020, 09:03:38 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on March 03, 2020, 08:19:32 PM
Swish amazing you didnt do that for the nescac also!!!

A CNU fan isn't likely to care about NESCAC teams hosting, since they are all well more than 500 miles from CNU.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 03, 2020, 09:42:31 PM

Agree that the women's selection committee did a nice job with the bracketing considering the constraints placed on them by the NCAA.

One change I would have considered given the fact that Scranton & CNU having been meeting over & over the past several years is to have moved CNU to the New Paltz pod & Smith to Scranton.

If nothing else, it just adds a different look.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 03, 2020, 10:00:16 PM
Pat stop picking parts ,he mentioned Scranton and Nescac in the same topic.So keep trying to part words!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 03, 2020, 10:02:06 PM
I wonder if any Nescac teams hosted as much as Scranton so fill it all in Pat.If your going to pick pieces tell the whole story I notice your good at just picking certain things!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 04, 2020, 09:35:09 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on March 03, 2020, 08:19:32 PM
Swish amazing you didnt do that for the nescac also!!!Did you realize since that year  you mention 2006 that the nescac had one team host then in 2009 until today there was  two to three teams hosting from the nescac except 2016 when Bowdin hosted.

Once I realized how often Scranton hosted, the only other schools I could think of that might rival that kind of frequency would be from the NESCAC, so I threw it in at the end of my commentary.  Since CNU is having to travel to Scranton for the 3rd time in 5 years, that prompted my curiosity, but I do think it would be an interesting comparison.     
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 04, 2020, 11:28:12 AM
Here's a partial answer to that question:

https://d3hoops.com/playoffs/sectional-hosts-chart

This shows which schools hosted during the second weekend, not the first. As someone mentioned below, the NESCAC women do occasionally lose hosting opportunities if the men's team at the same school has priority to host. It switches back and forth each year. This year the men have priority the first weekend and the women the second.

That factor costed Tufts women a chance to host during the first weekend this year and the Amherst women the chance to host a couple years ago when they were sent to Rowan.

The interesting thing is that the sectional host advances to the Final Four less than half the time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 04, 2020, 11:44:24 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on March 04, 2020, 11:28:12 AM
Here's a partial answer to that question:

https://d3hoops.com/playoffs/sectional-hosts-chart

This shows which schools hosted during the second weekend, not the first. As someone mentioned below, the NESCAC women do occasionally lose hosting opportunities if the men's team at the same school has priority to host. It switches back and forth each year. This year the men have priority the first weekend and the women the second.

That factor costed Tufts women a chance to host during the first weekend this year and the Amherst women the chance to host a couple years ago when they were sent to Rowan.

The interesting thing is that the sectional host advances to the Final Four less than half the time.

Thanks, Gordon, that's interesting stuff...look at all those NESCAC teams that have hosted the sectionals...wow! :o
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2020, 03:39:02 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 04, 2020, 11:44:24 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on March 04, 2020, 11:28:12 AM
Here's a partial answer to that question:

https://d3hoops.com/playoffs/sectional-hosts-chart

This shows which schools hosted during the second weekend, not the first. As someone mentioned below, the NESCAC women do occasionally lose hosting opportunities if the men's team at the same school has priority to host. It switches back and forth each year. This year the men have priority the first weekend and the women the second.

That factor costed Tufts women a chance to host during the first weekend this year and the Amherst women the chance to host a couple years ago when they were sent to Rowan.

The interesting thing is that the sectional host advances to the Final Four less than half the time.

Thanks, Gordon, that's interesting stuff...look at all those NESCAC teams that have hosted the sectionals...wow! :o

To be blunt ... they tend to have really good teams.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 04, 2020, 03:59:06 PM
True. Geography also helps, as does having half of your conference schedule translate into results against regionally ranked opponents (one of the primary criteria for getting into the tournament and getting hosting rights).

I'm not convinced that Williams is a better at-large candidate than Ohio Northern or Augsburg, but their SOS and vRRO look great because almost every other game is against a regionally ranked team.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 04, 2020, 04:00:08 PM
Side note...

I'm headed north to Scranton to watch the game on Saturday, but not Friday.

Feel free to swing by the press box and say hello. Rofrog, Saratoga and I should take a photo for posterity. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 04, 2020, 04:53:13 PM
Will do Gordon!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 04, 2020, 09:42:53 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on March 04, 2020, 04:00:08 PM
Side note...

I'm headed north to Scranton to watch the game on Saturday, but not Friday.

Feel free to swing by the press box and say hello. Rofrog, Saratoga and I should take a photo for posterity. :)

Some of us may have to use the elevator.  :)

Hope we're playing Saturday!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on March 04, 2020, 09:45:56 PM
i'll be the idiot yelling at refs during Friday's CNU v Widener game
;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 04, 2020, 09:48:54 PM
 I'll be at the Scranton pre-game reception during your 1st half, but I'll try to pick u out during the 2nd.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 04, 2020, 09:58:43 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 04, 2020, 09:42:53 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on March 04, 2020, 04:00:08 PM
Side note...

I'm headed north to Scranton to watch the game on Saturday, but not Friday.

Feel free to swing by the press box and say hello. Rofrog, Saratoga and I should take a photo for posterity. :)

Some of us may have to use the elevator.  :)

Hope we're playing Saturday!

There is an elevator?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 04, 2020, 10:06:53 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 04, 2020, 09:58:43 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 04, 2020, 09:42:53 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on March 04, 2020, 04:00:08 PM
Side note...

I'm headed north to Scranton to watch the game on Saturday, but not Friday.

Feel free to swing by the press box and say hello. Rofrog, Saratoga and I should take a photo for posterity. :)

Some of us may have to use the elevator.  :)

Hope we're playing Saturday!

There is an elevator?

Little-known aspect of the recent renovation   ::)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 05, 2020, 12:22:15 AM
Like Ronk mentioned the President will be in town tomorrow 03/05/20!So if your staying at the Hilton or Radisson you will not be affected.Roads that are closed from 12pm until about 10 PM or later 400,500,600 blocks of Mulberry Street,300,400,500 of North Washington,300,400 of Adam's and 400,500,600 of vine will all be closed so please stay away from this area if you are coming in tomorrow but once you get to your hotel Hilton or Radisson everything is in walking distance your right in downtown.A new pub and eatery opened up called Bartari it has all your old video games plus good food and drinks right across the street from the Hilton and the video games are of Pac-Man,Donkey Kong,Mrs Pac-Man and many more check it out nice place to go.Hope you enjoy your stay
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 05, 2020, 12:39:06 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on March 05, 2020, 12:22:15 AM
Like Ronk mentioned the President will be in town tomorrow 03/05/20!So if your staying at the Hilton or Radisson you will not be affected.Roads that are closed from 12pm until about 10 PM or later 400,500,600 blocks of Mulberry Street,300,400,500 of North Washington,300,400 of Adam's and 400,500,600 of vine will all be closed so please stay away from this area if you are coming in tomorrow but once you get to your hotel Hilton or Radisson everything is in walking distance your right in downtown.A new pub and eatery opened up called Bartari it has all your old video games plus good food and drinks right across the street from the Hilton and the video games are of Pac-Man,Donkey Kong,Mrs Pac-Man and many more check it out nice place to go.Hope you enjoy your stay

What facility is site of the town hall?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 05, 2020, 07:07:32 AM
Masonic temple
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 05, 2020, 09:25:12 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on March 05, 2020, 07:07:32 AM
Masonic temple

Went to a Smothers Brothers concert there maybe 55 years ago.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on March 05, 2020, 09:50:15 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on March 05, 2020, 12:22:15 AM
Like Ronk mentioned the President will be in town tomorrow 03/05/20!So if your staying at the Hilton or Radisson you will not be affected.Roads that are closed from 12pm until about 10 PM or later 400,500,600 blocks of Mulberry Street,300,400,500 of North Washington,300,400 of Adam's and 400,500,600 of vine will all be closed so please stay away from this area if you are coming in tomorrow but once you get to your hotel Hilton or Radisson everything is in walking distance your right in downtown.A new pub and eatery opened up called Bartari it has all your old video games plus good food and drinks right across the street from the Hilton and the video games are of Pac-Man,Donkey Kong,Mrs Pac-Man and many more check it out nice place to go.Hope you enjoy your stay
i'll be checking in at Hilton tomorrow (3/6) so I get to miss traffic jam.  thanx for Bartari info, may hit up place after CNU game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 05, 2020, 05:40:22 PM
VT another place i recommend you hit is Alfredos on South Washington great food and drinks also!!!Safe Travels!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 05, 2020, 06:29:23 PM

VT:

One block behind the Hilton is Bar Pazzo.

Everything on the menu is outstanding & Friday nights are usually bumping.

Wood fire pizza's, great cocktails & homemade pasta.

Check out their website, just around the corner from your hotel.

Enjoy.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on March 05, 2020, 07:49:00 PM
thanx for the recommendations.  GO CNU
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 06, 2020, 10:16:08 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on March 04, 2020, 03:59:06 PM
True. Geography also helps, as does having half of your conference schedule translate into results against regionally ranked opponents (one of the primary criteria for getting into the tournament and getting hosting rights).

I'm not convinced that Williams is a better at-large candidate than Ohio Northern or Augsburg, but their SOS and vRRO look great because almost every other game is against a regionally ranked team.

I'm not so sure the NCAA's way of determining SOS is all that great...isn't there a serious flaw that's been identified and needs correcting?

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2020, 10:22:30 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 06, 2020, 10:16:08 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on March 04, 2020, 03:59:06 PM
True. Geography also helps, as does having half of your conference schedule translate into results against regionally ranked opponents (one of the primary criteria for getting into the tournament and getting hosting rights).

I'm not convinced that Williams is a better at-large candidate than Ohio Northern or Augsburg, but their SOS and vRRO look great because almost every other game is against a regionally ranked team.

I'm not so sure the NCAA's way of determining SOS is all that great...isn't there a serious flaw that's been identified and needs correcting?

The men have a multiplier that a few stats folks have pointed out is not being applied towards its intended purpose.  The women have no multiplier; it's just the OWP and OOWP regardless of home/away.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 06, 2020, 10:49:03 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2020, 10:22:30 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 06, 2020, 10:16:08 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on March 04, 2020, 03:59:06 PM
True. Geography also helps, as does having half of your conference schedule translate into results against regionally ranked opponents (one of the primary criteria for getting into the tournament and getting hosting rights).

I'm not convinced that Williams is a better at-large candidate than Ohio Northern or Augsburg, but their SOS and vRRO look great because almost every other game is against a regionally ranked team.

I'm not so sure the NCAA's way of determining SOS is all that great...isn't there a serious flaw that's been identified and needs correcting?

The men have a multiplier that a few stats folks have pointed out is not being applied towards its intended purpose.  The women have no multiplier; it's just the OWP and OOWP regardless of home/away.

Seems like there should be some more in depth analysis...winning percentages can be deceiving.  Well, at least they've started to consider the strength of the actual teams when it comes to results versus regionally ranked opponents, as opposed to strictly the records.  Also, why on Earth do the men and women have a different SOS formula?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 06, 2020, 09:00:08 PM
ALL I WILL SAY IS WOW and congrats to all the teams that have moved on to the second round.Seniors gave us 4 great years I thought the journey would continue but it  ended very sloppy and definetly outplayed on all phases.Defense was not good at all and Endicott wanted it more!Hopefully this isnt what the lady Royals have in store from  now on one and done will not go good with the fans!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 06, 2020, 09:43:08 PM
Men and Women both underachieved. Long off season..
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 06, 2020, 10:56:51 PM

That's for sure.

Congrats certainly in order for Endicott...they were clearly ready for Scranton & the Lady Royals played like they thought they were up by 30 before the game even started.

Virtually no adjustments during the game even though their big & good shooting guards had 2 fouls each by the 8 minute mark of the 2nd. quarter.

Just an overall lack of urgency & emotion.

Every coaching journey has a beginning. Let's hope lessons are learned from this lackluster performance and in the future, serious preparation takes place.

Inheriting a Final Four team with 4 returning starters & getting knocked out (at home) in the first round is not the way to win friends & influence others in Royaland.

All the very best to the 4 Seniors that have had an incredible run. Sophia & Lily busted all night. Emily & Mac just had one of those games but Endicott had us scouted to perfection & played a huge role in their off night.

If you want to be a head coach, learn from this...file the lousy feeling away & get ready for next year with a purpose & passion...two major ingredients that seemed conspicuously absent this evening.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on March 06, 2020, 11:14:08 PM
What was the violation before tip off?  Book?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 06, 2020, 11:41:35 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 06, 2020, 10:49:03 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2020, 10:22:30 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 06, 2020, 10:16:08 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on March 04, 2020, 03:59:06 PM
True. Geography also helps, as does having half of your conference schedule translate into results against regionally ranked opponents (one of the primary criteria for getting into the tournament and getting hosting rights).

I'm not convinced that Williams is a better at-large candidate than Ohio Northern or Augsburg, but their SOS and vRRO look great because almost every other game is against a regionally ranked team.

I'm not so sure the NCAA's way of determining SOS is all that great...isn't there a serious flaw that's been identified and needs correcting?

The men have a multiplier that a few stats folks have pointed out is not being applied towards its intended purpose.  The women have no multiplier; it's just the OWP and OOWP regardless of home/away.

Seems like there should be some more in depth analysis...winning percentages can be deceiving.  Well, at least they've started to consider the strength of the actual teams when it comes to results versus regionally ranked opponents, as opposed to strictly the records.  Also, why on Earth do the men and women have a different SOS formula?

Each committee is allowed to us a multiplier if they so choose. Men's basketball and lacrosse use. Men's and women's soccer have used it in the past as well. So did volleyball at one time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 06, 2020, 11:42:30 PM
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on March 06, 2020, 11:14:08 PM
What was the violation before tip off?  Book?

That is about the only one imaginable. But maybe there was something else. But usually it is a starters thing.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 07, 2020, 12:18:50 AM
After I gathered my thoughts I really have to say this is one of the most devastating losses in Lady Royals history!To have four seniors coming off a stellar year,making final four last year ,then turning around and  getting beat in the first round at home is so devastating!I'm lost for words- but Good luck to both teams in the Pod tomorrow CNU and Endicott.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on March 07, 2020, 10:50:49 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on March 07, 2020, 12:18:50 AM
After I gathered my thoughts I really have to say this is one of the most devastating losses in Lady Royals history!To have four seniors coming off a stellar year,making final four last year ,then turning around and  getting beat in the first round at home is so devastating!I'm lost for words- but Good luck to both teams in the Pod tomorrow CNU and Endicott.

This result shocked me even a bit more than PSU-Harrisburg beating Johns Hopkins on the men's side!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 07, 2020, 12:30:50 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 06, 2020, 11:42:30 PM
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on March 06, 2020, 11:14:08 PM
What was the violation before tip off?  Book?

That is about the only one imaginable. But maybe there was something else. But usually it is a starters thing.

I read on twitter issue with the light on the shot clock?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on March 07, 2020, 04:51:16 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 07, 2020, 12:30:50 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 06, 2020, 11:42:30 PM
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on March 06, 2020, 11:14:08 PM
What was the violation before tip off?  Book?

That is about the only one imaginable. But maybe there was something else. But usually it is a starters thing.

I read on twitter issue with the light on the shot clock?
I heard same thing.  My question, how did Scranton play entire season at home without this violation being noticed.  Ronk, do you know?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 07, 2020, 06:11:30 PM
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on March 07, 2020, 04:51:16 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 07, 2020, 12:30:50 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 06, 2020, 11:42:30 PM
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on March 06, 2020, 11:14:08 PM
What was the violation before tip off?  Book?

That is about the only one imaginable. But maybe there was something else. But usually it is a starters thing.

I read on twitter issue with the light on the shot clock?
I heard same thing.  My question, how did Scranton play entire season at home without this violation being noticed.  Ronk, do you know?

Supposedly, the light around the backboard may only go off at the end of a quarter and not at the end of a shot clock expiration.
I talked with the shot clock operator and he thought it was a rule from 4 years ago that was just enforced last nite for the 1st time w/o warning or else they would have changed it to comply. It definitely wasn't invoked this season before last night. All NCAA games are said to be equally important in a season so it shouldn't have been changed for last night. I know Coach Dipillo was upset during warmups pregame in an animated discussion with the NCAA rep. Somebody(Dave McHugh) should address it with the committee chair(Karin Harvey).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 07, 2020, 06:46:19 PM
It's unfortunate that the officials didn't enforce it all year but that isn't a reason to not enforce it in the NCAA Tournament.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 07, 2020, 06:53:01 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 07, 2020, 06:46:19 PM
It's unfortunate that the officials didn't enforce it all year but that isn't a reason to not enforce it in the NCAA Tournament.

Sure, it is. Why wasn't it enforced earlier? And why was their no notification?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 07, 2020, 07:10:25 PM
Ask Landmark Conference officials, I suppose. It isn't new. Gordon will probably come on here later and talk about where he had seen it enforced earlier this season -- we were discussing this in our group chat.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 08, 2020, 03:56:24 PM

Meanwhile down in Lewisburg.....

Former Lady Royal Head Coach Trevor Woodruff, taking over a Bucknell team with only one returning starter, has the Lady Bison roll through the Patriot League & win the regular season with a 16-2 record & earn the top seed in the upcoming playoffs.

In addition, Trevor has been named COY in the Patriot.

Not a bad start to say the least & this is with zero recruiting completed for this year.

Also just realized that one of last years Lady Royal co-captains (Julia Gantz) played for two of the Patriot League's top coaches...Bill Cleary now of Colgate (before transferring) and then 3 years with Trevor at Scranton.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 08, 2020, 04:31:05 PM
He is doing a great job at Bucknell,That home record pretty impressive 12-1.They always say nice to be home in the Tournament playoffs!That is what you fight for all year.Good Luck the rest of the way!!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 08, 2020, 04:50:05 PM
I saw something similar with some kind of shot clock light issue at a MAC Commonwealth regular season men's game between Albright and Leb Val a couple years ago. Leb Val was awarded technical shots. The LVC p[layer intentionally bricked em and we started at 0-0.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 08, 2020, 05:34:25 PM
Gordon see last year they played with them throughout the season and playoffs.Then this year the whole season until the first playoff game why not catch it last year?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 08, 2020, 05:35:44 PM
I mean it didnt make no difference they lost but I think Martin will be on the horn with someone!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 08, 2020, 05:57:07 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on March 08, 2020, 05:35:44 PM
I mean it didnt make no difference they lost but I think Martin will be on the horn with someone!

Good idea. Should definitely get someone to fix the light.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 08, 2020, 06:06:47 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 08, 2020, 05:57:07 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on March 08, 2020, 05:35:44 PM
I mean it didnt make no difference they lost but I think Martin will be on the horn with someone!

Good idea. Should definitely get someone to fix the light.

Better idea - fix the enforcement procedure    ::)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 08, 2020, 07:18:05 PM
Let me ask a question CNU and Endicott played the second night not sure someone fixed it,who got the technical that night?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 08, 2020, 07:34:51 PM

Since neither of those schools were technically "home", there would be no technical assessed.

This loss was even more of a stunner than the loss in the Sweet 16 to Mary Washington during the Mellody/Matt senior year.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 08, 2020, 07:41:19 PM
Martin's to do list...

Pep Band..Fix clock on back board..anything else?  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 08, 2020, 07:49:11 PM

Yep...

Remind the women's basketball coach that the men's basketball coach has the copyrights to one & done in the NCAA tournament.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 08, 2020, 08:41:58 PM
Quote from: saratoga on March 08, 2020, 07:34:51 PM

Since neither of those schools were technically "home", there would be no technical assessed.

This loss was even more of a stunner than the loss in the Sweet 16 to Mary Washington during the Mellody/Matt senior year.

My best friend's wife was 1 of the refs for that game; it ended a 69? game home winning streak for the Lady Royals.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 08, 2020, 11:28:57 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 08, 2020, 06:06:47 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 08, 2020, 05:57:07 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on March 08, 2020, 05:35:44 PM
I mean it didnt make no difference they lost but I think Martin will be on the horn with someone!

Good idea. Should definitely get someone to fix the light.

Better idea - fix the enforcement procedure    ::)

No ... fix the lights.

Non-contrasting uniforms are supposedly illegal, too, but not well enforced at this time. Should a team blame inconsistent enforcement if they have illegal uniforms or maybe not have illegal uniforms?

This rule has been around for awhile. I can't speak for why it wasn't enforced by officials at Scranton in the past ... because I don't know. But I know it has been checked often by officials at gyms I tend to be at. The rule is the lights around the backboard can not go off for shot clock violations, only end of period time. I am not sure why that alway wouldn't be checked by Scranton personal to make sure they are in compliance. The rule has been around for a few years if memory serves.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 08, 2020, 11:50:12 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 08, 2020, 11:28:57 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 08, 2020, 06:06:47 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 08, 2020, 05:57:07 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on March 08, 2020, 05:35:44 PM
I mean it didnt make no difference they lost but I think Martin will be on the horn with someone!

Good idea. Should definitely get someone to fix the light.

Better idea - fix the enforcement procedure    ::)

No ... fix the lights.

Non-contrasting uniforms are supposedly illegal, too, but not well enforced at this time. Should a team blame inconsistent enforcement if they have illegal uniforms or maybe not have illegal uniforms?

This rule has been around for awhile. I can't speak for why it wasn't enforced by officials at Scranton in the past ... because I don't know. But I know it has been checked often by officials at gyms I tend to be at. The rule is the lights around the backboard can not go off for shot clock violations, only end of period time. I am not sure why that alway wouldn't be checked by Scranton personal to make sure they are in compliance. The rule has been around for a few years if memory serves.

Sounds like Dave Martin(Scranton AD) who's been there for 5 years should be asked what his version is. Dave was involved in Coach DiPillo's animated pre-game discussion with the NCAA rep about 25' from where I was sitting. Being a former chair(of at least the regional RAC) he should be aware of NCAA directives in this regard and whether Scranton knew of them.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 09, 2020, 12:37:20 AM
Lets not skirt the question if it has been there for years why wasnt it implemented in last years playoffs or better off -that lady refs alot at scranton home games why nothing then if it dealt with ncaa rules.Cmon someone on the committee needs to explain that last year was okay but this year wasnt?I just want to hear it from the committee which I wrote and nothing yet.Dont you really think if this was inforced in 2017or 18 that it should have happened last year also why just this year?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 09, 2020, 10:17:11 AM
I'm just surprised that this is what the focus is coming out of that game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 09, 2020, 12:16:40 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 09, 2020, 10:17:11 AM
I'm just surprised that this is what the focus is coming out of that game.

There's been an inconsistent (non)application of the rule which could affect any game in the future. Consistency of officiating across D3 has been the objective according to whomever Dave McHugh has interviewed in the recent past concerning the subject. This fails that objective.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 09, 2020, 02:16:10 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 09, 2020, 12:16:40 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 09, 2020, 10:17:11 AM
I'm just surprised that this is what the focus is coming out of that game.

There's been an inconsistent (non)application of the rule which could affect any game in the future. Consistency of officiating across D3 has been the objective according to whomever Dave McHugh has interviewed in the recent past concerning the subject. This fails that objective.

Maybe it does ... but it STILL doesn't take away from the responsibility the institution has to have things in order. You guys keep trying to force the blame elsewhere. Sure, officials haven't called it and I am not sure why ... BUT institutions should always be checking their equipment, buildings, whatever to be sure things are up to "code" as it where. Settings can get changed as well, but that doesn't mean "we checked it four years ago and it was fine" is permissible.

Maybe we find out why it wasn't called by officials in previous events ... but that doesn't remove any responsibility from the school. Do we only wait for the infraction to be brought up or deemed an official violation before we check things?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 09, 2020, 02:30:06 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 09, 2020, 02:16:10 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 09, 2020, 12:16:40 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 09, 2020, 10:17:11 AM
I'm just surprised that this is what the focus is coming out of that game.

There's been an inconsistent (non)application of the rule which could affect any game in the future. Consistency of officiating across D3 has been the objective according to whomever Dave McHugh has interviewed in the recent past concerning the subject. This fails that objective.

Maybe it does ... but it STILL doesn't take away from the responsibility the institution has to have things in order. You guys keep trying to force the blame elsewhere. Sure, officials haven't called it and I am not sure why ... BUT institutions should always be checking their equipment, buildings, whatever to be sure things are up to "code" as it where. Settings can get changed as well, but that doesn't mean "we checked it four years ago and it was fine" is permissible.

Maybe we find out why it wasn't called by officials in previous events ... but that doesn't remove any responsibility from the school. Do we only wait for the infraction to be brought up or deemed an official violation before we check things?

Haven't forced the blame elsewhere at all; if it's with the AD - fine; it just hasn't been stated at this time if it's with Scranton, the refs, or the NCAA.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 09, 2020, 02:32:01 PM
Honestly, this subtopic has gone on a page too long. Nobody's responsibility but University of Scranton to make sure that the Long Center meets requirements.

Everything else is really irrelevant.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 09, 2020, 02:45:44 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 09, 2020, 02:32:01 PM
Honestly, this subtopic has gone on a page too long. Nobody's responsibility but University of Scranton to make sure that the Long Center meets requirements.

Everything else is really irrelevant.

Got it. See you next year!  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 09, 2020, 08:41:41 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 09, 2020, 02:32:01 PM
Honestly, this subtopic has gone on a page too long. Nobody's responsibility but University of Scranton to make sure that the Long Center meets requirements.

Everything else is really irrelevant.

Here's the memo from the NCAA(Dec 2018) wrt the shot clock light situation:
https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/basketball/rules/common/Dec2018PRXBB_ShotClockRedLEDMemo.pdf

The directive was sent to ADs and basketball head coaches; a waiver of compliance could be granted for the rest of the 2018-19 season but it would be required starting with the 2019-20 season. Scranton's women's HC was new after this directive, but the AD and the men's coach should have known about it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 09, 2020, 09:07:05 PM

Good find Ronk.

Mystery solved.

Dave should thank his lucky stars the Lady Royal loss was greater than 2. ::)

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Rofrog on March 10, 2020, 03:00:45 AM
Ronk great find!I just think it is terrible when a guy that says let's talk sports in a positive way,Tells you that this topic has been going on way to long because he or his staff had no idea how to explain it.So they throw in this subject has been going on way to long!First it is a posting up board weather you run the site or dont like what people say it says posting up!Second it really disturbed me the other day when Dave said to Ronk I cant believe you questioned me another words how dare you question me!I will be back next season unless Coleman decides to throw me off because I speak the truth.Good luck to the National champs in Women it will he one of the nescac teams because they have a monopoly on the NCAA and it showed that when they said we will not let fans in and Karin Harvey and her clowns said okay that is fine.Maybe next year they will have nescavin the final four it is a disgrace to the game for not allowing fans attend their Daughters last game.Way to go Amherst your a joke.Need not apply!See you next year done with d3 hoops this year I feel sorry for the fans.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on March 10, 2020, 12:59:48 PM
Holy smokes, Rofrog, my beloved Aggies won just one game this season, but i hope somebody will throw me off the site if i come across with such sour grapes!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 10, 2020, 03:45:30 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on March 10, 2020, 03:00:45 AM
Ronk great find!I just think it is terrible when a guy that says let's talk sports in a positive way,Tells you that this topic has been going on way to long because he or his staff had no idea how to explain it.So they throw in this subject has been going on way to long!First it is a posting up board weather you run the site or dont like what people say it says posting up!Second it really disturbed me the other day when Dave said to Ronk I cant believe you questioned me another words how dare you question me!I will be back next season unless Coleman decides to throw me off because I speak the truth.Good luck to the National champs in Women it will he one of the nescac teams because they have a monopoly on the NCAA and it showed that when they said we will not let fans in and Karin Harvey and her clowns said okay that is fine.Maybe next year they will have nescavin the final four it is a disgrace to the game for not allowing fans attend their Daughters last game.Way to go Amherst your a joke.Need not apply!See you next year done with d3 hoops this year I feel sorry for the fans.

Please show me where I said "I can't believe you questioned me." I can't seem to find it.

And we have had extensive coverage of the decisions made with Amherst and others. It is a constantly changing story - one that is giving me an ongoing headache. I think you have either rushed to judgement on some things (because I clearly stated on Hoopsville I felt that Karin Harvey and her committee appear to have their hands tied a bit on this) or not getting the entire story. It is one that is still changing to this day.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 07, 2020, 08:40:46 PM

UofS recruits for 2020/21 are now posted on their Twitter site.
Let's play 2.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 07, 2020, 08:43:15 PM
Quote from: saratoga on May 07, 2020, 08:40:46 PM

UofS recruits for 2020/21 are now posted on their Twitter site.
Let's play 2.

Nice to see.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 20, 2020, 01:24:16 AM
 Family of Jamie Roberts(former Catholic U asst bball coach) sponsors a full-time assistant position for the Catholic women's program:

https://www.catholicathletics.com/sports/wbkb/2019-20/releases/20200616o194ta

I first met Jamie when she was working out 1 summer at the fitness center to which I belonged; never passing up a possible prospect, I found out that she was already in college and playing for St. Mary's(MD). As luck would have it, that winter Scranton played St. Mary's in the Gettysburg Holiday tourney and I got to talk with her again at the game. She then graduated and hired on as the CU assistant coach and I would talk with her each recruiting summer @ AAU tourneys and @ the Scranton-Catholic game in the winter.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 20, 2020, 01:27:31 AM
 No news yet on the bball schedule; we did hear last year about this time so maybe in the next week or so. One of the Poinsettia Classic teams canceled recently so there's an open spot at this time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 20, 2020, 05:12:20 PM
Quote from: ronk on June 20, 2020, 01:27:31 AM
No news yet on the bball schedule; we did hear last year about this time so maybe in the next week or so. One of the Poinsettia Classic teams canceled recently so there's an open spot at this time.

Remember ... a number of schools (including Scranton) have furloughed staff. There very likely could be delays in things like schedule releases and the like because staff are not allowed to be doing any work while furloughed.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on July 30, 2020, 02:49:58 PM
 Just watched former Lady Royal Courtney Roselle ('11) win a competition on NBC's The Titans Game(originally shown July 27). I remember Courtney doing all the "dirty work"(defending/rebounding/winning 50/50 balls/setting screens) as a forward who started all but 5 games her last 3 years. Best wishes to Courtney in next week's competition.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on July 31, 2020, 05:39:00 PM

Watching Courtney may be the closest we get to Royal athletics for a while.
The Landmark just cancelled all fall semester sporting events.
Not sure if there is a way to move the 6-8 fall semester b-ball games into the Spring semester.  :-\
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on August 03, 2020, 09:22:55 PM
 Courtney wins again tonight; into the championship next week.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 16, 2020, 03:32:23 PM
 Lady Royals(players & coaches) tweeted a team virtual book discussion yesterday. I mention this only to say that all 6 incoming frosh participated, so all are on board. Haven't heard anything else about the roster,schedule,2021 commits, etc.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 16, 2020, 04:43:22 PM
Quote from: ronk on September 16, 2020, 03:32:23 PM
Lady Royals(players & coaches) tweeted a team virtual book discussion yesterday. I mention this only to say that all 6 incoming frosh participated, so all are on board. Haven't heard anything else about the roster,schedule,2021 commits, etc.

Well sure ... I don't know a freshman who really isn't all on board until practices usually start. That's when things usually start to change ...

Well ... unless it's at UMW, but that's a different story. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 16, 2020, 08:26:01 PM
Dave,
  Just meant with the covid environment for the past 6 months, there was an extraordinary opportunity for commits to have changed their mind about showing up(college virus procedures, in-person/virtual classes, no basketball season, etc) versus the normal second thoughts that frosh have had in past years. Wasn't addressing their feelings after showing up at school. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 23, 2020, 06:27:45 PM
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Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 04, 2020, 10:00:18 PM
 Lady Royals are practicing, also.(in addition to the men mentioned yesterday)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 11, 2020, 10:16:10 PM

Lady Royals roster is posted.
They are going to be young but as always, they'll be good & getting better.
Looks like the Landmark will release schedules on Dec. 4th.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 15, 2020, 06:55:44 PM
I guess the million dollar question for many schools & teams right now is: do you play a seriously abbreviated schedule for the sake of playing & ultimately cost an entire squad a year of eligibility or do you just play it safe, sit this one out & give your team an extra year together if possible, and then go at it full speed next year with essentially a team of red-shirts a little older, a little stronger & a little wiser?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on November 15, 2020, 07:00:48 PM
All players at all levels have already been granted another year of egilbility no matter how many games they play
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 15, 2020, 07:35:49 PM

Ok, then.
Let's lace em' up.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on November 15, 2020, 08:26:29 PM
On  the D3 level I would guess less then 10 percent of players will play a 5th year when I asked my kid and a couple of her teammates would they play a extra year they are like oh we will have started our careers.   Plus on top of that the cost for more schooling.    On D-2. I think you will already see the limited scholarships they offer to be cut even more due to financial due to Covid.   For Naia I would expect a serious reduction in scholarships money making 5th year players less likely
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 16, 2020, 07:55:43 AM

WAY more than 10% will use the extra year. A lot of players took this year off to begin with and aren't in school.  Additionally, the average number of semesters it takes any college student to get a 4 year degree is creeping towards 11 - some majors even require more than these days.  I don't think RHIT is a great sample for d3 as a whole.  I'm not sure it'll be 50%, but I'd bet its close to 50 than to 10.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on November 16, 2020, 10:39:13 AM
Ryan

that is a good point. I am assuming most kids are taking courses this year. I think you are projecting to high how many kids are sitting out. I know I went through the HCAC rosters 3 teams have not posted this year.  There was around 15 players total that were on rosters last year bu tno thtis year. Now some of those im sure just decided to stop playing.

Another thought is you might see players play a 5th year at a another school. They could have relocated for their job and decide i still want to play one more year and i can take a coupl eof classes towards a minor or a masters.   LOL well thats al least what this dad is hoping for.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 16, 2020, 01:59:16 PM
One of the things I know Ryan is basing a lot of his info on is a school like Swarthmore which has been up front with their students - three quarters of the men's team decided to take a gap year this year. Both semesters. I am hearing that type of decision at a lot of schools.

Then start factoring any student who is interested doing post-graduate studies and such... (though, at another school may not be as easy as many think; there are so many factors in play)...

Some are also doing internships this year to get real-world experience...

I, too, think Ryan is accurate in indicating we are going to be closer to 50% than 10%. It won't hit 50%, as Ryan indicated, but I think more students are opting into the blanket waiver than many realize.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 01, 2020, 10:10:06 PM
 Landmark tweet today that Lady Royals are 1st all-time in WBB by victory % across all divisions, including Tennessee and UConn, and 3rd in D3 in victories.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on December 02, 2020, 03:41:05 PM
Thanks Ronk!  I knew they have had a great program, but I didn't realize their winning percentage was higher than so many storied programs.

Further cross-referencing with the men's post, the Lady Royals' winning percentage is higher than any men's program at any level as well!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 02, 2020, 06:29:04 PM
 Yes, it's the unique program differentiator to present to future Lady Royals prospects for consideration of whether they're up to the challenge of continuing that status.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 02, 2020, 09:45:01 PM

Ok, Ronk...this is showtime.
You know what you need to do & now you have even more quality info to share.
So, let's get back out there & start bringing in some talent.
No more Amherst has your prospect, or Bowdoin or Bucknell.
This is about the Lady Royal's, the best winning tradition is women's college basketball.
We're counting on you as this mission isn't for the faint of heart...God speed my friend...and, a 6'2" wing that can rain 3's is at the top of your list.
You can do this...be strong. ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 02, 2020, 11:02:17 PM
Quote from: saratoga on December 02, 2020, 09:45:01 PM

Ok, Ronk...this is showtime.
You know what you need to do & now you have even more quality info to share.
So, let's get back out there & start bringing in some talent.
No more Amherst has your prospect, or Bowdoin or Bucknell.
This is about the Lady Royal's, the best winning tradition is women's college basketball.
We're counting on you as this mission isn't for the faint of heart...God speed my friend...and, a 6'2" wing that can rain 3's is at the top of your list.
You can do this...be strong. ;)

Would you believe Princeton?  3 current and one more for next year. Covid eliminated any in-person evals this summer although I did watch a lot of videostreaming games and youtube hilites. All quiet on the NEPA front so far, however.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on December 03, 2020, 01:18:26 AM
Bucknell or some may say Minnesota East they have a pipeline to Minnesota
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 03, 2020, 10:01:52 AM

Jester:

I believe both Bucknell and Lafayette have done very well in the land of a thousand lakes.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on December 03, 2020, 09:28:31 PM
I had the pleasure of watching Carly Krsul grow up and played my daughter twice a year as they were confrence opponets. Her dad is a really nice guy
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 04, 2020, 01:53:10 PM
Quote from: saratoga on December 03, 2020, 10:01:52 AM

Jester:

I believe both Bucknell and Lafayette have done very well in the land of a thousand lakes.

A few short. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 18, 2020, 12:30:14 AM
 1st Lady Royals' commit this year that I've come across is Morgan Brewer 5-10  SG/SF  Verona(NY)

JR hilites: https://www.hudl.com/profile/13982837/Morgan-Brewer
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 17, 2021, 11:57:47 AM

Since not much is happening in the Landmark just yet, I noticed a few things from our next closest conference in geographic proximity, the Patriot League.
Former Scranton standout & Captain Julia Gantz played for arguably the top 2 women's coaches in the Patriot.
Her freshman year was under Bill Cleary of Colgate and her final 3 years were under Trevor Woodruff, now of Bucknell.
Speaking of Trevor, he now has the Lady Bison picking up where they left off last year.
Currently they are 5-0, having just knocked off Lehigh yesterday at Lehigh in a battle of the undefeated.
Not bad considering he took over a program which lost 4 starters & all they've been doing since his arrival is win.
No idea what to expect from the Lady Royals this year as they have been on a public relations blackout.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 17, 2021, 08:01:19 PM

Jester:
I watched the Bucknell/Lehigh game this afternoon & Lehigh has 6 young ladies on their roster from Minnesota.
Must have been their turn last year to recruit the state hard.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 17, 2021, 08:40:21 PM
They're not all freshmen!  ;D

In all seriousness, though, those are the sorts of kids that St. Thomas would like to keep in state going forward.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 18, 2021, 10:03:34 AM

Correct...I'm sure St. Thomas has done their research & realized with really only one D1 school in the state, quality kids are certainly going elsewhere to play.
They will now provide another option.
I remember years ago Mike Strong would say the mid-west teams were always tough because there are almost no D2 schools out there & many of the better D3 players could have easily played at that level here.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 18, 2021, 10:05:23 AM
That is only really true of Wisconsin, but it is true. A lot of Wisconsin kids end up in the WIAC but a bunch end up on rosters in neighboring states as there are a number of D2's in Minnesota, Illinois and Michigan.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 18, 2021, 12:52:00 PM

Lady Royals schedule is up.
No E-town, Susquehanna or Goucher this year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 18, 2021, 02:53:56 PM
 Looks like the men play at the same day/time/opponent, just at the opposite campus location, simultaneously.   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on January 19, 2021, 08:00:32 AM
I'm excited to see that conference play is returning! 

I couldn't tell from the Landmark press release:  Are they still planning to have a conference tournament?  The language just says that they are "submitting the League champion as the automatic qualifier." 

I'm assuming that they are, since each team will apparently only have 8 conference games and no out of conference games (which leaves them short of the NCAA minimum of 9 games for postseason competition) but I'm not seeing anything to that effect either on the Landmark site nor the sites of the 5 colleges that are participating.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 19, 2021, 01:10:30 PM

Tim,
Not sure where at the moment, but I did read there will be a tournament & all 5 teams will be involved.
Lady Royals will start the season at a bit of a disadvantage as their opening opponent (Moravian) will have already played 2 games before the Lady Royals meet them.
The kids will need to adjust quickly
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 19, 2021, 02:41:12 PM
 There is a conference tourney for all 5 teams, so everyone is scheduled for at least 9 games - 8 regular season & 1 conference tourney game at a minimum. Play-in game between seeds 4 & 5, then winner plays seed 1 in the semis.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 19, 2021, 03:47:55 PM
https://athletics.scranton.edu/sports/wbkb/2020-21/releases/20210119j5i57o?fbclid=IwAR12Cl0pMvZP5VJyt4IOvulncgStuouUOCCx8DEpds4eOZFTU8xixx6RNqY



Someone better get a Bess cut out! Purple Tux !
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on January 19, 2021, 05:32:19 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 19, 2021, 02:41:12 PM
There is a conference tourney for all 5 teams, so everyone is scheduled for at least 9 games - 8 regular season & 1 conference tourney game at a minimum. Play-in game between seeds 4 & 5, then winner plays seed 1 in the semis.

That's exactly what I would have suggested had I had any input whatsoever.  I'm glad they listened  to my unexpressed thoughts.  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 19, 2021, 07:24:55 PM
Anyone wishing to "attend" the games this season in the Long Center can upload a photo for a cardboard cutout to be displayed there for $60. Cutout will be yours at the season's end. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 19, 2021, 09:20:44 PM
That's what NEPAFAN shared a couple posts prior :)

I debated it to see if anyone would spot it. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 20, 2021, 09:14:19 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 19, 2021, 09:20:44 PM
That's what NEPAFAN shared a couple posts prior :)

I debated it to see if anyone would spot it. :)

Dave we are getting the rust off, it's been a while....  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 20, 2021, 07:19:36 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 20, 2021, 09:14:19 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 19, 2021, 09:20:44 PM
That's what NEPAFAN shared a couple posts prior :)

I debated it to see if anyone would spot it. :)

Dave we are getting the rust off, it's been a while....  ;D

HAHA that makes sense.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 26, 2021, 05:15:28 PM
 Since the Landmark season commences in 10 days, here is my annual forecast:

1. Scranton
2. Drew - almost a tie for 1st
3. Catholic -  roster hasn't been updated yet to project the incoming freshmen
4. Juniata - mainly on the presence of Grace Stauffer
5. Moravian
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 26, 2021, 06:03:02 PM

Based on Moravian's website, it now looks like the Greyhounds will have 3 games under their belts before the Lady Royals open with them.
This difference may end up being huge in such a compressed schedule.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 28, 2021, 07:46:22 PM

Former UofS captain Julia Gantz begins her college coaching career this season at Eastern.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on January 29, 2021, 12:49:30 PM
Good luck to Julia! 

I just took a look at Scranton's roster; Erin Worzel is no longer on it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 29, 2021, 12:57:29 PM
 WRT Erin's game play, I had a higher regard than either Trevor or Nick, but I'll defer to them since they saw her everyday in practice. Best wishes to Erin.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 29, 2021, 03:47:02 PM

I'm sure Trevor & Nick will appreciate your deference.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 29, 2021, 05:18:09 PM
 Don't want them second-guessing themselves.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 29, 2021, 06:05:22 PM

Precisely.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
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Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 02, 2021, 12:18:19 AM
 Catholic up today  with this season's roster; don't recognize any of the frosh; usually I'm familiar with 1 or 2.
Missing is Luca Mamula who averaged 10 ppg over 10 games last season before missing the remainder of the season.
  Moravian wins over Lancaster Bible 65-45. Sam Osirio(FR) with 6 offensive rebs(13 total); Sarah Donati 6-8 3-pters.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2021, 07:47:09 PM
DIII Championships are official canceled: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2021/02/committee-decides-championships-fate
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 03, 2021, 08:28:31 PM
 Will the ECAC tourney be an alternative with the NCAA cancellation?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 03, 2021, 08:36:20 PM

Not for Scranton.
They are no longer card carrying members of that organization.
Looks like they play 8 games vs. Landmark teams & possible sign themselves in to one of the tournaments Washington College is hosting.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 04, 2021, 11:21:19 AM
ECAC changed the structure from "card carrying" to opting in per sport (and paying dues per championship). That said, I haven't heard a peep about ECACs this year.

The model has slowly been dying, though hanging on incredibly well. It will be interesting to see how the future plays out.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 14, 2021, 04:15:17 PM

Where's the Lady Royal game at Drew?
I'm getting the men on both the men & women sights. :-[
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 14, 2021, 05:50:31 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 14, 2021, 04:15:17 PM

Where's the Lady Royal game at Drew?
I'm getting the men on both the men & women sights. :-[

This is your penance, Dave Martin is punishing you for being critical of the men.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 14, 2021, 08:14:14 PM

;) ;) ;)
Thank heavens the real game finally came on.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 21, 2021, 06:04:44 PM

The Lady Royals clearly out-hustled & out-coached today inside the Long Center.
Catholic really stepped up their perimeter D and crashed the boards while the Lady Royals played like they weren't aware guards are allowed to rebound.
Coach D is clearly the master of the turn-around game.
Beaten at home by 17, he comes into the Long Center & flips the script.
I'll never forget the 2015 season.
The Lady Royals only have 1 conference loss (by a few points at Catholic) and in the last game of the year, the Lady Royals blow the Cardinals away by 27 at the Long Center.
Just 1 week later in the conference championship, he flips a 27 point loss to a 1 point victory & their last conference title.
The Lady Royals had the spacing today of a parking lot at Yankee stadium during a World Series.
They'll be black & blue from bumping into one another.
I know the new coach likes to pride himself on the teams ability to fire up the three however, make a few layups within the course of the game & you'll find they add up too.
Fully realize there are lots of young kids working out the kinks but Catholic is pretty young as well.
These 2 teams will be battling each other for the foreseeable future...I don't think coach D sat down & stopped coaching the entire game.
Lady Royals still in the drivers seat, watch the film, improve & move on.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 21, 2021, 10:25:34 PM
 A Catholic victory over the Lady Royals has been no infrequent occurrence, even in the Trevor years. The usual recipe is aggressive helping defense. Today, Catholic also added effective offensive rebounding.
  Nice to see Hannah Angelini with effective play; should help her self-confidence to continue to become more of a factor in the future.
  Big games left: Catholic @ Drew, Drew @ Scranton
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals81 on February 22, 2021, 06:24:19 AM
Lady Royals started off determined in the 2nd half with two inside baskets then an unfortunate offensive foul called in the paint.  I couldn't understand why you wouldn't keep going inside until Catholic could provide an answer.  Overemphasis on the perimeter game and failure to attack the basket resulted in Catholic attempting 16 more FT's than the Lady Royals.  Both teams' futures are bright.  Key will be how the freshmen and sophomores develop going forward.   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 22, 2021, 07:36:27 PM

Royals 81:
"Overemphasis on the perimeter game & failure to attack the basket".......1,000% correct.
They have got to work on giving themselves better spacing so they have lanes to drive & or, dish.
When your team shoots 85% from the line, work on giving them opportunities to get there.
In the 3rd. period, Catholic picked up their 4th. foul with over 4 minutes to play.
It took the Lady Royals nearly 3 additional minutes for them to finally get a 5th. foul.
Not an efficient use of the circumstances.
Remember, when the Lady Royals went on a 15-0 run in the 4th. quarter to erase an 11 point deficit with a little over 7 minutes left in the game to defeat Tufts & move to the Final Four 2 years ago, they only attempted one 3 pointer (made it, thank you MM) in the entire comeback.
The rest of the points were 3 layups, one floater in the lane, one 3 pointer & 4 for 4 from the free throw line.
Live by the 3, die by the 3.





Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 27, 2021, 06:16:17 PM
Drew cancels the remainder of its season but has not ruled out the conference championship:

https://www.drewrangers.com/news/2021/2/27/mens-and-womens-basketball-games-canceled.aspx

So Lady Royals will remain the #1 seed...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 27, 2021, 06:58:25 PM
  Looking at the Landmark Championship history, there was a 6-year period(2010-15) that the Lady Royals only won once(2014). Didn't remember that being the case; we weren't as dominant as I thought. Catholic won 3 times in a 4-year stretch.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 28, 2021, 09:14:26 AM

Those were the twilight years of Mike's tenure.
Recruiting tailed off significantly until his last season where Masaris, Payonk & Roman reignited the charge that hasn't stopped since.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on March 03, 2021, 04:36:22 PM
Scranton vs. Moravian - originally scheduled for tomorrow - has been cancelled due to COVID-19 protocols within the Greyhounds' program. The Lady Royals will host the winner of Catholic vs. Drew on Saturday, time TBD.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 03, 2021, 04:54:58 PM

Wish Juniata won last night vs. Moravian.
They only have 8 kids on their roster but they show up & play hard each game.
How the Lady Royals can keep any rhythm or continuity with all the cancellations & gaps between games is a credit to them & the staff.
Certainly not an easy thing to do.



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 03, 2021, 06:01:32 PM
Quote from: NJRoyal137 on March 03, 2021, 04:36:22 PM
Scranton vs. Moravian - originally scheduled for tomorrow - has been cancelled due to COVID-19 protocols within the Greyhounds' program. The Lady Royals will host the winner of Catholic vs. Drew on Saturday, time TBD.

I think we were listening to the same Radio station this afternoon.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 04, 2021, 05:09:58 PM
 No video for tonight's Drew-Catholic semifinal. Wonder why?

Video showed up, after all.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 04, 2021, 08:08:12 PM

Ronk:
You may have been early to the dance with this one.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 04, 2021, 08:14:37 PM
 Looks like a struggle in the championship on Saturday.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 04, 2021, 09:01:04 PM

If Catholic plays D on the guards for Scranton as they were on Campbell & Ramos tonight, it may be a long night for the Lady Royals.
The Lady Royals have to establish some sort of inside game to open things up outside otherwise, Catholic will force them deeper & deeper & they'll keep firing.
Scranton is set with guards for the next 4 years, I hope recruiting is "centering" on post & wing players that can step in & contribute right away.
Right now the early Vegas line has Catholic + 3.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 05, 2021, 04:13:37 PM

Per DraftKings.....
Cardinals + 5.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 06, 2021, 03:22:47 PM

Final line...
Scranton + 2.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 06, 2021, 07:39:12 PM
 Congrats to the Lady Royals on winning the conference title and to the Cardinals also for their comebacks in each half. Players for both teams should take to heart what it takes to win a struggle, possession by possession. They'll all be back for more in the coming years.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 06, 2021, 08:39:29 PM

Agreed, congrats to the Lady Royal's & coaches on their 6th. straight conference championship.
May the recruiting efforts bring home a post game that can contribute & compliment the outside game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 06, 2021, 09:09:10 PM
Quote from: saratoga on March 06, 2021, 08:39:29 PM

Agreed, congrats to the Lady Royal's & coaches on their 6th. straight conference championship.
May the recruiting efforts bring home a post game that can contribute & compliment the outside game.

As a supporter of Kyra who is only the 2nd(after Sophia Recupero) of my prospects to choose Scranton over the years, I'm confident that she can provide that desired post play; she just needs to adjust her risk/reward judgment in going after offensive rebounds and committing fouls that significantly reduce her playing time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on March 10, 2021, 11:12:29 AM
Congratulations to Bridget, Hannah, Maddie and all those honored by the Landmark Conference today!

https://www.landmarkconference.org/sports/wbkb/2020-21/releases/15102021-wbb-awards
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 10, 2021, 11:33:47 AM
 Yes, congrats to all! For the old-timers, Hannah wins the Frank Ramsay/John Havlicek 6th man award as a non-starter winning a berth on the all-conference teams.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 10, 2021, 06:55:07 PM
 With sadness it was reported today the passing of Rev. Scott Pilarz, S.J., President of Scranton. My limited encounters with Fr. Pilarz over the years indicated how fortunate Scranton was to have him over his 2 terms as president, priest, recruiter, educator, dorm resident, etc. I especially remember him attending the women's FF championship day(2005) in Virginia Beach and our postgame discussion(the future South Side complex for baseball/softball/lacrosse/soccer among the topics) while waiting for the hotel meeting room to be readied, the Mass and homily, and the dinner buffet for players, coaches, parents, staff, and fans. It was truly a community-building event for me.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on March 10, 2021, 09:22:28 PM
I met Fr. Pilarz a few times during his first tenure.  He was a very humble and spiritual man who was loved by many at the University.  And he was very down-to-earth.  On a couple of occasions I saw him in North Wildwood at a cottage that his parents own, just sitting on the porch in a t-shirt drinking a beer.  From those limited interactions, it was clear how much he enjoyed chatting with alumni like they were old friends.

It was tough seeing how ALS had changed him so much physically, and how quickly it took him.  But it never took his spirit. 

RIP, Fr. Pilarz.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 11, 2021, 10:25:25 AM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on March 10, 2021, 09:22:28 PM
I met Fr. Pilarz a few times during his first tenure.  He was a very humble and spiritual man who was loved by many at the University.  And he was very down-to-earth.  On a couple of occasions I saw him in North Wildwood at a cottage that his parents own, just sitting on the porch in a t-shirt drinking a beer.  From those limited interactions, it was clear how much he enjoyed chatting with alumni like they were old friends.

It was tough seeing how ALS had changed him so much physically, and how quickly it took him.  But it never took his spirit. 

RIP, Fr. Pilarz.

Evokes fond memories of summer weekend visits - beginning my 1st job after college in MD w 2 guys from NE Philly who rented a house for the summer in N Wildwood(Elm Street?) with their hi school buddies and go up every weekend; they invited me to crash with them on the holiday weekends if I brought my own cot; fun times balling in the mornings, beach(Maple Ave) time in the afternoon, clubbing at night(Cheers - where everyone knows your name). Seemed like everyone in the clubs were from the same parts of NE Philly, just transported to Wildwood for the weekends.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 11, 2021, 11:22:40 AM
https://twitter.com/RoyalAthletics/status/1370022600374636546?s=20

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 11, 2021, 02:04:31 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 11, 2021, 11:22:40 AM
https://twitter.com/RoyalAthletics/status/1370022600374636546?s=20

NEPA,
  Thanks, aside from the NCAA championship('83), that was arguably 1 of the 2 top Scranton WBB victories all-time. (along with another Elite 8 victory - Bowdoin 2005).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 11, 2021, 03:38:10 PM

Great picture.
Also see our buddy Dave & his baldness made the picture too!  :D
Speaking of Trevor...he & his Lady Bison tee off tonight vs. Lehigh in a Patriot League quarterfinal.
Win tonight & Saturday & they are dancing.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 18, 2021, 04:02:02 PM
Monmouth Women's Job is open...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 18, 2021, 05:24:09 PM
 Tiny Green, trainer of many of Jersey shore's girl prospects, offered 10 or so good possibilities to fill the Monmouth job recently - his friend(Nick Dipillo) was 1 of those so offered. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 18, 2021, 07:44:25 PM

The UofS certainly won't be Nick's only stop on his sojourn into the world of coaching but just don't see him as fully ready for prime time just yet.
I think he needs to show consistent success in recruiting wars beyond his regular geographic comfort zones and he needs to take the Lady Royals much deeper than a first round NCAA tournament exit to put the exclamation point on his resume.
This is his first head job & it's a process whether its in-game/real-time decisions, substitutions before a player picks up their 3rd. & 4th. foul in less than 30 seconds, halftime adjustments or knowing how to best use the personnel he has...moving to the head role at a D-1 takes a bit more than a willingness to do so.
Look big picture, refine your skill-set, make some great strides at a wonderful program, add to the legacy, & the opportunities will most certainly be there.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on March 19, 2021, 11:48:50 PM
First and foremost:Thoughts and Prayers go out to UofS and the Community and also the family and friends of Father Pilarz!I will say one word Springfield and toga will get it about Father Pilarz!Congrats to a short season to all the teams that played this year and of course to the Lady Royals on winning its 5th Championship in a row.Also to Bridget Monahan (So.)Maddie Hartnett(Fr.) and like Ronk said sixth women of the bench Hannah Angellini(So.) On the awards you young ladies won.This team like toga said just needs a little boost underneath like a Roman lol.But Coach is doing awesome.Hopefully for the ladies coach sticks around and builds up or ads to his credentials a couple more years like a National title (,hopefully).But if Coach is picked im sure Dave Martin will be looking for another great coach to carry on that Lady Royals way .Just a little inside story(Just think if Coach Dipillo gets that job can you imagine how the men's head Coach is feeling for 20 years he has been trying.Lol.(Time for him to go ) but back to the ladies program 2 head coaches getting D1 jobs from The UofS in the last 3 years pretty great story if Coach D gets hired!!!.Also one other thing Covid took the dance away from Trevor last year so they didn't dance, This year Lehigh took it away from Trevor and Bucknell so no  dancing for Trevor and the lady Bison for two years that stinks,Maybe next year Coach Trevor Woodruff.But really good luck to Lehigh!!!Hopefully D3 hoops we are on the right track for a full season next season!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on March 24, 2021, 07:46:19 PM
Scranton Rumor - possibly a new conference center being built on campus - I wonder if this could eventually mean a new athletic facility for basketball and volleyball:

https://aquinas.scranton.edu/2021/03/18/campus-community-speculates-on-surrounding-demolitions/
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 24, 2021, 08:19:24 PM
Quote from: NJRoyal137 on March 24, 2021, 07:46:19 PM
Scranton Rumor - possibly a new conference center being built on campus - I wonder if this could eventually mean a new athletic facility for basketball and volleyball:

https://aquinas.scranton.edu/2021/03/18/campus-community-speculates-on-surrounding-demolitions/

Isn't there a ton of "conference space' at the denaples center?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 24, 2021, 09:35:15 PM
 They probably need a hall larger than the alternate field house addition to house the annual St. Patrick's Day bash.   ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on March 25, 2021, 08:45:02 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 24, 2021, 08:19:24 PM
Quote from: NJRoyal137 on March 24, 2021, 07:46:19 PM
Scranton Rumor - possibly a new conference center being built on campus - I wonder if this could eventually mean a new athletic facility for basketball and volleyball:

https://aquinas.scranton.edu/2021/03/18/campus-community-speculates-on-surrounding-demolitions/

Isn't there a ton of "conference space' at the denaples center?

bingo, makes me wonder if there is more to it. The Long Center is nice, but a state of the art field house + conference center could be cool.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 01, 2021, 10:07:21 AM
I think the Lady Royals will be looking for a new HC, I have been wrong before but I think he goes home to Jersey and Monmouth.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 01, 2021, 06:25:55 PM

Certainly a possibility.
I'd like to see him gain some additional in-game coaching experience before he moves on to D-1 but I'm not sitting on this committee.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 01, 2021, 06:52:36 PM

Speaking of coaching openings....
North Carolina is now open.
Word around the Long Center is Danzig has an interview. :o
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on April 09, 2021, 02:33:34 PM
Coach Dipillo staying at Scranton for the time being as Monmouth has hired an assistant coach from Penn State Ginny Boggess as there next coach!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on April 09, 2021, 04:02:22 PM
Quote from: Royals85 on April 09, 2021, 02:33:34 PM
Coach Dipillo staying at Scranton for the time being as Monmouth has hired an assistant coach from Penn State Ginny Boggess as there next coach!!!

I'm happy with it - he's been great.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 09, 2021, 06:09:11 PM
Great news!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 10, 2021, 12:30:29 PM

Good news indeed.
Ok, now that this situation is resolved, let's get back to recruiting...still need a 6'2" post that has great hands, better footwork, can score, set screens & rebound.  ;)





Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 10, 2021, 03:49:48 PM
 My 2 posts have chosen to go elsewhere, Northwestern and Princeton.  :o
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 14, 2021, 10:02:00 PM

Just heard that Colgate's HC Bill Cleary just hastily resigned.
Not sure what that's all about since he's done a reasonable job in Hamilton & he doesn't have a better offer somewhere else.
Could be a great landing spot for former UConn star & previous HC at Hartford & GWU, Jenn Rosatti.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 16, 2021, 10:37:32 AM

Upon further review...
With Shea Ralph leaving UConn for Vanderbilt to get the HC experience she needs for when Gino retires, it would seem to me that heading back to UConn as a top assistant would make more sense for Jenn Rosatti.
Then again, Hartford fell apart after she left & is now in the market for a new HC...perhaps a reunion in the making where she can go back there yet opt out if an opportunity presents itself in the future at UConn.

Meanwhile, back in Lady Royalland...we still very much need post points.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on April 21, 2021, 02:51:20 PM
Congrats to a young lady making 1st team on d3hoops and only a sophomore (Bridgette Monahan) Future -looks very bright for the Lady Royals!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on April 22, 2021, 09:48:44 PM
Quote from: Royals85 on April 21, 2021, 02:51:20 PM
Congrats to a young lady making 1st team on d3hoops and only a sophomore (Bridgette Monahan) Future -looks very bright for the Lady Royals!!!

This team has the makings of a national champion next season
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 23, 2021, 09:39:52 PM

NJRoyal:

I'd really love to drink some of that Kool Aid but I think I'm going to pass right now.
The Lady Royals are loaded with guards & that's a good thing.
What they are sorely missing is a post presence that is comfortable in that role and can add to the scoring mix when the guards are having an off night.
They currently have some role players that rotate in & out & do the best they can but they are clearly not comfortable or that knowledgeable about gaining post position, boxing out or really going after rebounds for put-backs.
In fact, I bet more offensive rebounds came from freshman Maddy Ryan than any of the bigs.
Can't tell you how many rebounds I saw actually hit the floor first before being grabbed because 2 or 3 players were simply watching the ball as opposed to going for it off the rim. How many times did Bridget, the smallest player on the floor, lead the team in rebounds by the end of the night?
Clearly lots of positives when firing on all cylinders to build upon but far from a complete team that can take it to you with confidence both inside & out.
Also, too many unforced turnovers. Championship calibre teams don't have 14 by the end of the game let alone halftime.
Many of the pieces are there for the foundation of some really great teams.
Now it's up to the coach to bring in the right kids to make this team far more balanced.
If he does, you may be right in another year or two.
If he doesn't, it will probably be another early exit.






Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 29, 2021, 08:12:49 PM

Let's go Lady Royals...share some names of who's joining the club.
I've already seen Moravian, Susquehanna, Drew, TCNJ, Williams & CNU getting some talent out of Jersey.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on May 05, 2021, 12:27:29 PM
Congrats to Shibles getting a D1 head coaching job!Amazing D3 coaches going to D1programs.Woodruff,Berube and Shibles 3 of the best in D3.Wish them all the best
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on May 07, 2021, 02:01:35 AM
Ronk,Saratoga,Nepafan,Etc !Any insight on recruits coming to the Lady Royals for this up coming season?I understand May 7th but usually you know who is coming!I just hope that going for a division one job didn't get in the way of recruiting,Because every coach should recruit even though they are looking to move up you never never leave the cupboards bare!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 07, 2021, 02:19:02 PM
Quote from: Royals85 on May 07, 2021, 02:01:35 AM
Ronk,Saratoga,Nepafan,Etc !Any insight on recruits coming to the Lady Royals for this up coming season?I understand May 7th but usually you know who is coming!I just hope that going for a division one job didn't get in the way of recruiting,Because every coach should recruit even though they are looking to move up you never never leave the cupboards bare!

Nothing that I am aware of. But I am sure we have a few coming in.. I'll have the research party look over the weekend and report back.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 07, 2021, 02:38:10 PM
Quote from: Royals85 on May 07, 2021, 02:01:35 AM
Ronk,Saratoga,Nepafan,Etc !Any insight on recruits coming to the Lady Royals for this up coming season?I understand May 7th but usually you know who is coming!I just hope that going for a division one job didn't get in the way of recruiting,Because every coach should recruit even though they are looking to move up you never never leave the cupboards bare!

We've just seen 1 commit so far - Megan Brewer of upstate NY. In the preseason WBB interview with Coach Dipillo by Harry Dammer & Dean Corwin, plural commits was the phrase used by the coach then; we haven't come up with who the additional recruit(s) is(are).
  This week, however, I've noticed a sign of strong interest(since this is within the week of required class spot reservation) on the part of a prospect; when/if I find confirmation, I'll mention it then. This is unlikely to be one of those  previously-mentioned commits from that preseason show. And, for Saratoga's benefit, she's not his desired post player.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 10, 2021, 06:44:52 PM

Tim:
We need your sleuthing skills on the women's side as well.  ;)
I've tried all my old haunts & zip, zilch, nada regarding commits for this year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on May 10, 2021, 08:03:13 PM
Quote from: saratoga on May 10, 2021, 06:44:52 PM

Tim:
We need your sleuthing skills on the women's side as well.  ;)
I've tried all my old haunts & zip, zilch, nada regarding commits for this year.

Alas, I've been coming up empty too. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 11, 2021, 12:11:36 AM
 Here's the link for Matt Bufano 42-min interview w/ Trevor Woodruff covering his career from high school to the present.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/2FVRwqInn3W2pVcj6EwDF4?si=qdC8UTUuSTWJMzA7fpcQ8A&nd=1
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 13, 2021, 08:40:12 PM
 Checking back, it was May 7 last year when the Lady Royals tweeted a welcoming pic for each of the 5(Maddy Ryan was a later addition to the class) incoming frosh; so, they're at least a week later now, and counting, for them to do the same this year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 13, 2021, 10:06:10 PM

In the past, it was always the men's team that rarely posted anything early regarding recruits.
We've been spoiled in recent years with Trevor getting his classes announced right after May 1st.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 21, 2021, 08:39:54 AM
https://sfcathletics.com/sports/womens-basketball/roster/abby-anderson/3859


Per WBB Twitter...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 21, 2021, 09:01:51 AM

NEPA:
Now we're starting to cook. ;)
In addition to the D-1 transfer from St. Francis Brooklyn, there is a 6' freshman from Ellicott City, Md. & the aforementioned guard from upstate NY. who was recently named to the first team All-Syracuse (small school division).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 21, 2021, 12:58:14 PM
Quote from: ronk on May 07, 2021, 02:38:10 PM
Quote from: Royals85 on May 07, 2021, 02:01:35 AM
Ronk,Saratoga,Nepafan,Etc !Any insight on recruits coming to the Lady Royals for this up coming season?I understand May 7th but usually you know who is coming!I just hope that going for a division one job didn't get in the way of recruiting,Because every coach should recruit even though they are looking to move up you never never leave the cupboards bare!

We've just seen 1 commit so far - Megan Brewer of upstate NY. In the preseason WBB interview with Coach Dipillo by Harry Dammer & Dean Corwin, plural commits was the phrase used by the coach then; we haven't come up with who the additional recruit(s) is(are).
  This week, however, I've noticed a sign of strong interest(since this is within the week of required class spot reservation) on the part of a prospect; when/if I find confirmation, I'll mention it then. This is unlikely to be one of those  previously-mentioned commits from that preseason show. And, for Saratoga's benefit, she's not his desired post player.

Ashlyn Bender is the prospect that I referred to above 2 weeks ago; she has worked out a number of times at the gym that I play pickup ball in but I hadn't seen her since it closed because of covid. Was going to check her out during her high school season this year but, again, I don't think she had one because of covid. Ashlyn has considerable potential as a mobile wing. JR. Hilite link:

https://www.hudl.com/video/3/10874203/5e44c154b3c8711b780e4770

Abby Anderson was on my prospect list 4 years ago, with a sibling already @ Scranton, and I lobbied Trevor heavily for her but he was slow in agreeing with me until she had committed to D1 St. Francis(NY). Saw her on the transfer portal( grad xfer) a few weeks ago and mentioned that to Nick. Abby was a good softballer, also, if I remember; maybe she'll do that, also.

Trevor has 2(Abby Kapp & Autumn Ceppi) of his grads in the xfer portal also; maybe 1 will go to Scranton; knew Abby's great-grandparents in West Scranton; they ran a mom/pop grocery store a block from my grandfather; Saratoga was acquainted with it, also. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 21, 2021, 02:08:24 PM
Quote from: ronk on May 21, 2021, 12:58:14 PM
Quote from: ronk on May 07, 2021, 02:38:10 PM
Quote from: Royals85 on May 07, 2021, 02:01:35 AM
Ronk,Saratoga,Nepafan,Etc !Any insight on recruits coming to the Lady Royals for this up coming season?I understand May 7th but usually you know who is coming!I just hope that going for a division one job didn't get in the way of recruiting,Because every coach should recruit even though they are looking to move up you never never leave the cupboards bare!

We've just seen 1 commit so far - Megan Brewer of upstate NY. In the preseason WBB interview with Coach Dipillo by Harry Dammer & Dean Corwin, plural commits was the phrase used by the coach then; we haven't come up with who the additional recruit(s) is(are).
  This week, however, I've noticed a sign of strong interest(since this is within the week of required class spot reservation) on the part of a prospect; when/if I find confirmation, I'll mention it then. This is unlikely to be one of those  previously-mentioned commits from that preseason show. And, for Saratoga's benefit, she's not his desired post player.

Ashlyn Bender is the prospect that I referred to above 2 weeks ago; she has worked out a number of times at the gym that I play pickup ball in but I hadn't seen her since it closed because of covid. Was going to check her out during her high school season this year but, again, I don't think she had one because of covid. Ashlyn has considerable potential as a mobile wing. JR. Hilite link:

https://www.hudl.com/video/3/10874203/5e44c154b3c8711b780e4770

Abby Anderson was on my prospect list 4 years ago, with a sibling already @ Scranton, and I lobbied Trevor heavily for her but he was slow in agreeing with me until she had committed to D1 St. Francis(NY). Saw her on the transfer portal( grad xfer) a few weeks ago and mentioned that to Nick. Abby was a good softballer, also, if I remember; maybe she'll do that, also.

Trevor has 2(Abby Kapp & Autumn Ceppi) of his grads in the xfer portal also; maybe 1 will go to Scranton; knew Abby's great-grandparents in West Scranton; they ran a mom/pop grocery store a block from my grandfather; Saratoga was acquainted with it, also.

Can you show me a link to the transfer portal? Assuming it is only for D1 athletes. Thanks.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 21, 2021, 06:47:45 PM

The Senior leadership Abby Anderson will provide such a young Lady Royal team will be an absolute game changer.
If you can score 25 points against D-1 competition, you'll do fine in D-III.
If you can put together 3 double-doubles against D-1 kids, you'll do fine in the Landmark.
If you can score 13 points & grab 13 rebounds against a school like LIU, I think you'll do just fine against Juniata.
If you can score 10 and grab 8 rebounds against Boston College, I'm thinking you'll be comfortable playing Marywood.
A very good young team just got considerably better overnight.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on May 21, 2021, 07:44:28 PM
I like the addition of Anderson for her senior leadership and her solid numbers.  If you project her averages out over starters minutes (about 30/game), she's averaged about 9 points and 6 rebounds over her career against DI competition.  Like Saratoga, I think she'll be strong in the Landmark.  Any idea why she wasn't on St. Francis' roster this past year?

I like Bender's quick release and willingness to drive.  I think she can cause matchup problems shooting over the smaller guards and getting by bigger players who come out to guard her.

The addition of these two and Brewer brings the roster up to 17.  Will DiPillo keep it that large or will there be some melt...?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 21, 2021, 08:44:53 PM

Tim:
I just read an article that stated she realized she had a tough choice, play her Senior year at St. Francis and only play 12 games against only conference competition or sit it out, graduate & begin fresh somewhere else with a full season & begin work on her Masters degree.
The UofS got the call.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 21, 2021, 09:49:36 PM
 My understanding is that the waiver for D1 basketballers was granted on Oct 14 so Abby could have played this past season, graduated, and still had 1 year of eligibility left for Scranton and a grad program.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 21, 2021, 10:47:31 PM
Quote from: ronk on May 21, 2021, 09:49:36 PM
My understanding is that the waiver for D1 basketballers was granted on Oct 14 so Abby could have played this past season, graduated, and still had 1 year of eligibility left for Scranton and a grad program.

It's probably more the time commitment than the eligibility.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 21, 2021, 10:52:09 PM
 Ryan,
You're probably right.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on May 22, 2021, 05:32:16 AM
Saratoga, is this the article you were referring to?  https://accessnepa.com/sports/former-holy-cross-standout-moves-to-sidelines

She stayed home and took classes virtually because of Covid concerns, which explains why she wasn't on the roster to take advantage of the blanket waiver.  I like that she had the chance to coach during that time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 22, 2021, 09:50:29 AM
 One could envision a playing time distribution being Kyra/Danielle(P), Abby/Maddie R/Sarah(F), Emily/Ashlyn/Morgan/Leah(W), Maddie H/Hannah(SG), Bridgette/Allie(PG). That's a lot of defensive effort and fouls to be shared in an uptempo environment.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 22, 2021, 10:27:54 AM

Tim:
That's the one.
Seems like a really focused young woman & takes the academic aspect very seriously.
Was thrilled to coach JV kids to remain in the game so to speak.
What an absolutely great addition to this team.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on May 22, 2021, 01:41:40 PM
Can't wait for the season to begin.Coach Dipillo doing a great job recruiting hopefully it all works out well for them.Have to agree with Saratoga about picking up Anderdon and the other two ladies on this class.Just Amazing coach.Reminded me that time when two transfers came together Deanna Kyle(Klingman) from Wilkes and Shelley Parks from E -town and we know how that turned out.Coach keep it up and can not wait to see this team play !!!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on May 22, 2021, 05:52:39 PM
Quote from: Royals85 on May 22, 2021, 01:41:40 PM
Can't wait for the season to begin.Coach Dipillo doing a great job recruiting hopefully it all works out well for them.Have to agree with Saratoga about picking up Anderson and the other two ladies on this class.Just Amazing coach.Reminded me that time when two transfers came together Deanna Kyle(Klingman) from Wilkes and Shelley Parks from E -town and we know how that turned out.Coach keep it up and can not wait to see this team play !!!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 29, 2021, 11:39:49 AM

Tim:
Just watched Ashlyn Bender's video that Ronk forwarded & you are right...super quick release, she knows exactly where she is on the floor, and her ability to drive and use both hands is a thing of beauty...and that was her junior year.
At 6', she will definitely present matchup problems with her ability to drain the 3 from the wing then put it on the floor and drive past smaller players. Great first step.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on June 10, 2021, 07:39:10 PM

Perhaps I missed something, but is D-Mac still associated with D3Hoops?
I just realized I don't think I've seen a post from him in 3 months.
Hope everything is ok.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 10, 2021, 08:04:48 PM
Quote from: saratoga on June 10, 2021, 07:39:10 PM

Perhaps I missed something, but is D-Mac still associated with D3Hoops?
I just realized I don't think I've seen a post from him in 3 months.
Hope everything is ok.

Dmac makes actual money doing production work for pro sports teams. After a year without much going on he's been making up for lost time.

There is a new episode of Hoopsville in the offing, though.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on June 11, 2021, 10:10:24 AM

Thanks Ryan.
Great to hear all is well.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on June 24, 2021, 02:47:28 PM
Our crew is D1 caliber!

https://twitter.com/CoachTinyGreen/status/1406005724589793287
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 24, 2021, 02:57:14 PM
Quote from: NJRoyal137 on June 24, 2021, 02:47:28 PM
Our crew is D1 caliber!

https://twitter.com/CoachTinyGreen/status/1406005724589793287

Tiny has liked Maddie for a couple of years; he recently became impressed with Bridget; don't know if he had seen Leah before.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on June 26, 2021, 08:56:53 PM
Coach knows his talent when he sees it botto⁹m line!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on June 30, 2021, 03:09:44 PM
Meredith Mesaris has joined the D-I ranks:

https://dartmouthsports.com/news/2021/6/17/mesaris-joins-womens-basketball-staff-as-volunteer-assistant.aspx
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 30, 2021, 03:44:00 PM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on June 30, 2021, 03:09:44 PM
Meredith Mesaris has joined the D-I ranks:

https://dartmouthsports.com/news/2021/6/17/mesaris-joins-womens-basketball-staff-as-volunteer-assistant.aspx

Somewhat surprising to me - thought Meredith would stay @ Williams til Coach Manning(~ 40 years of coaching) retired "soon". I usually see Meredith at the summer AAU tourneys but haven't last year and this year with the covid factor.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on June 30, 2021, 08:52:21 PM

Volunteer assistant??
Not sure I'm seeing the benefit of no paycheck in the Ivy vs. the lead assistant at Williams.
However, that's just me.
Probably the promise of an expanded role & a paycheck next season.
Good for her.




Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 01, 2021, 07:31:06 AM
Quote from: saratoga on June 30, 2021, 08:52:21 PM

Volunteer assistant??
Not sure I'm seeing the benefit of no paycheck in the Ivy vs. the lead assistant at Williams.
However, that's just me.
Probably the promise of an expanded role & a paycheck next season.
Good for her.

Often they'll find these volunteers other jobs on campus.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on July 03, 2021, 05:16:20 PM

The Lady Royals 2021/22 schedule is up & it looks great.
I'm not sure who they'll be playing in Naples, Fl. but the non-conference portion has some really good Regional schools such as Stevens, Desales, Ithaca & Dickinson & some local schools such as Marywood & Wilkes.
Can't wait to see this group of kids play.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on July 15, 2021, 06:12:49 PM

Lady Royals non-conference schedule just got even better as they are playing Colby & Baldwin-Wallace in Naples, Fla.
Two very different styles of play from two very good programs...this is great to see.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on July 15, 2021, 08:27:42 PM
  Was interested in 2 of the Colby players during their AAU seasons; they should test the Lady Royals.
Likewise with Stevens. Anyone know who the other 2 teams are in the Poinsettia Classic?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on August 16, 2021, 06:54:09 PM

Looks like quite a few coaching changes on the women's side in the Centennial.

*Bryn Mawr-Not that is will make a difference.
*Haverford-Bobbi's leaving for the Agnes Irwin school???
The Lady Royal's had a point guard from there several years back...but leaving for a HS job?
She's a good coach so something had to work for her. Best of luck.
*Dickinson-They were starting to turn the corner & then they've ended up with 3 coaches over the past 6 or 7 years...generally, not a recipe for success.
*F&M-School starts in 2 weeks & they haven't named anyone yet.
*Swarthmore-No coaching change just yet but a mass exodus by all returning players over ongoing reports of mental & physical abuse as well as harassment.
Looks like Gettysburg will continue to rule the roost in this conference as all the new coaches try to get their programs organized & developed.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on August 18, 2021, 02:15:51 PM
 TCNJ and Stevenson are the other teams in Scranton's Poinsettia Classic, in addition to Dickinson whom the Lady Royals play in the opener. Talked with Stevenson's HC 3 weeks ago at a big AAU tourney. Her daughter is a 2022 prospect.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on August 19, 2021, 06:46:34 PM

A 2022 prospect for whom?
Her mothers team, all of D-3 world or the Lady Royals?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on August 19, 2021, 07:52:26 PM
 In this case, since an older sister already plays on her mother's team, the odds strongly suggest Stevenson. There was a discussion several years ago that Messiah HC Mike Miller's daughter was considering playing for Mike Strong @ Scranton instead of Messiah; she ultimately did choose Messiah.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on August 20, 2021, 05:30:00 PM

Then it would appear the ending to that tidbit of info has already been written.

We need exciting news like Tom Bicknell's 6'3"cousin from Sydney decided she wants to follow in his footsteps & has spurned offers from Stanford, UCLA, & Oregon to become a Lady Royal.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on August 21, 2021, 02:22:13 PM
 Or Billy Bessiors daughter transfers in from UCLA.Like her dad did from South Carolina.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on August 24, 2021, 05:32:33 PM
 Talked with 1 of my prospects from 5 years ago today at our fitness center. Because of her ability, I knew Scranton didn't have a chance; she chose 1 of the D1 power conference schools, was an all-league performer, drafted by the WNBA, didn't make the team but will play overseas and try again next WNBA season.
  One of her college teammates, however, was my top prospect that year and I thought she would have had a major impact for Scranton if she had chosen us. It was 1 of the rare instances where tuition was not going to be a consideration since her dad had just become HC at another school in the same conference. It was a fine institution that she chose instead, but she played minimal minutes over her 4 years. What could have been!  :(
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on August 24, 2021, 08:29:02 PM

Right you are Ronk...
I've always felt Elana Delle Donne would have had some really good seasons with the Lady Royals.  ;) ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on September 03, 2021, 06:28:28 AM

Looks like the Swarthmore administration finally did the right thing & unloaded their women's basketball coach.
Why they stuck with her this long after all the documented reports is beyond belief.
Great articles detailing the entire series of events in the school paper The Phoenix going back to last year.
Finally, a degree of justice served to all these young women that had to put up with her abuse.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 03, 2021, 07:17:21 AM
Quote from: saratoga on September 03, 2021, 06:28:28 AM

Looks like the Swarthmore administration finally did the right thing & unloaded their women's basketball coach.
Why they stuck with her this long after all the documented reports is beyond belief.
Great articles detailing the entire series of events in the school paper The Phoenix going back to last year.
Finally, a degree of justice served to all these young women that had to put up with her abuse.

New AD started just a couple weeks ago, which might've had something to do with the timing.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on September 04, 2021, 07:44:57 AM

First prediction of the approaching season:

Somewhere around April 15th., Kate Pearson will be named the new Head Coach at Swarthmore.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 04, 2021, 10:28:07 AM
Quote from: saratoga on September 04, 2021, 07:44:57 AM

First prediction of the approaching season:

Somewhere around April 15th., Kate Pearson will be named the new Head Coach at Swarthmore.

If they're going to do it, why not do it now?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on September 04, 2021, 01:12:38 PM

Perhaps contract issues, not enough time to pull a national search together, wanting to see how this interim year actually plays out?
Who knows???
I'm not saying this with any insider info, just some conversation, nothing more.
From the cusp of where Swarthmore was & where they'd like to be, I see the recently hired coach as a stop gap.
She has very little college coaching experience, comes from a community college and no head coaching background besides high school.
Kate, on the other hand, is very well known as a quality D-3 head coach, is well entrenched in the Delaware Valley high school circles, and worked under Swarthmore's new AD while he's been at Cabrini the past decade.
It may add up to nothing, but stranger things have happened.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 04, 2021, 02:06:46 PM
I don't believe the interim at Swat is supposed to be a long term solution. I agree that they'll hire someone in the spring, but I don't believe the AD at Swat has the same kind of unilateral power that exists for ADs elsewhere.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on September 05, 2021, 03:28:22 PM

Regarding the unilateral power of the AD at Swarthmore...I'm sure he is just one spoke in the wheel there.
Especially considering the fact he's a brand new hire.
If you've read the articles on this debacle from the beginning, you'll soon realize there is a conga line of administrators that need to be consulted to ensure all the contemporary requirements of a hire check all the boxes.
Kate would be a perfect fit to bring Swarthmore into the world of competitive women's basketball & the young talented women there would surely benefit.
Then again, perhaps new doors will open for her at Cabrini & she won't have to deal with all the outside influences Swarthmore brings.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 13, 2021, 11:47:43 PM
 4 coaching positions in the Centennial: 2 open(Haverford, Ursinus), 2 interim(F&M,Swarthmore); 2 more are new hires(Dickinson, Bryn Mawr) and 1 has been there only 1 season(McDaniel).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on September 15, 2021, 11:12:43 PM
Hey Saratoga how about that Bokens sister plays on the University of Scrantons volleyball team!!I So all time leading scorer in Men's Basketball history hashish sister playing Volleyball at the U.Just a little tidbit info enjoy!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 16, 2021, 12:15:37 AM
Quote from: Royals85 on September 15, 2021, 11:12:43 PM
Hey Saratoga how about that Bokens sister plays on the University of Scrantons volleyball team!!I So all time leading scorer in Men's Basketball history hashish sister playing Volleyball at the U.Just a little tidbit info enjoy!!!

Not only Boken's sister but also his successor in the post, John Vitkus, has a sister playing on the volleyball team which had a 37-35 victory in 1 of their games tonite(normally 25 wins a game but u have to win by at least 2).

Over the years, probably at least 5 of my prospects chose volleyball over basketball for their college sport, none @ Scranton, however. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on September 16, 2021, 01:29:34 PM

Royals 85':
Correct, she's now a Senior & was the school's Athlete of the Week last week.

Ronk:
"none @ Scranton, however".
Well, your streak remains intact.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 23, 2021, 06:34:10 PM
 There's a tweet of the lady royals today with the players in 4 different group poses; somewhat tough to identify some with their numbers obscured and/or hair changes from their game styles; 1st practice only 3 weeks away.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on September 23, 2021, 07:30:13 PM
Each picture represents a class:

Left are the four juniors - with Walsh and Quigley looking in much better shape than last year
Center are the five seniors (including Abby Anderson)
Top Right are the six sophomores
Bottom Right are the two freshmen

So all 14 are returning plus the 3 newcomers.  It will be interesting to see how Nick manages the rotation.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 23, 2021, 08:03:18 PM
Tim, as a puzzle enthusiast, I'm disappointed that I couldn't figure that out.  ::)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on September 27, 2021, 08:27:17 PM

Ryan;
What's the scoop with Bobbi Morgan leaving Haverford for Ursinus?
Not that common for coaches leave one school only to be hired by another in the same conference.
The pay differential has to be less since it doesn't appear she has any administrative role beyond coaching.
Just looking for a new challenge or did she feel Haverford peaked in their commitment?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on September 29, 2021, 11:15:43 AM
Anyone else see this tweet from Kaitlyn Lewis last week? 

https://twitter.com/kaitlewis3/status/1440755962487316480

I wonder what it's in reference to...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on September 29, 2021, 02:34:18 PM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on September 29, 2021, 11:15:43 AM
Anyone else see this tweet from Kaitlyn Lewis last week? 

https://twitter.com/kaitlewis3/status/1440755962487316480

I wonder what it's in reference to...

Someone is pregnant or a new recruit :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on September 30, 2021, 09:56:31 AM
Ronk....

Saw this on the soccer boards and thought of you.


Paul have you read the Messiah Method, the book by a Messiah professor about the program. One of the big takeaways I had was how involved alumni are in the scouting and recruiting process. They essentially have a nationwide scouting network that encourages kids to attend camps and reach out to the coaches at Messiah. It then also leads to certain programs becoming feeder programs. The Robbins and at least two other players on those teams were all from the same Christian high school in Greensboro, NC.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 30, 2021, 10:40:37 AM
Nepa,
  Support the practice; it's a major factor at places like Messiah whose attractions(religious culture, e.g.) are different(strength in certain academic programs, financial aid, public tuition, locale, etc.) from their competition. Having such alumni screeners broadens the available pool of attractive admissibles beyond the geographic area(Mid-Atlantic, e.g.) normally constraining D3 recruiting budgets(time/money/accessibility for evaluation).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on October 08, 2021, 06:45:16 PM

The Lady Royal roster is up for 2021-22.
No surprises...the 2 freshmen and Abby are the additions.
On paper, this is a pretty impressive group of kids.
Depth & experience at every position.
Stay healthy & knock them off one at a time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 12, 2021, 04:06:43 PM
 Lady Royals not listed among the 8 finalists announced for Dunmore's Ciera Toomey(2023) college choice. She's considered #3 in the class nationally. Best wishes to Ciera as she contemplates that decision.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on October 12, 2021, 06:40:16 PM

Ronk:
I think you're going to need to pick up your recruiting game a little more.
No reason we should be losing out to the likes of UConn, Duke, Penn St., Iowa, Bucknell & BC. for Ciera's basketball/academic skills.
We need a new game plan.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 12, 2021, 07:23:05 PM
 The new game plan has already been activated; "they" will be so distracted by the Ciera sweepstakes that my grandniece(also a 2023 and the best player on her team) will go relatively unnoticed.  ::)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 12, 2021, 09:22:15 PM
Quote from: saratoga on October 12, 2021, 06:40:16 PM

Ronk:
I think you're going to need to pick up your recruiting game a little more.
No reason we should be losing out to the likes of UConn, Duke, Penn St., Iowa, Bucknell & BC. for Ciera's basketball/academic skills.
We need a new game plan.  ;)

We'll keep the Long Center warm for her when she decides to transfer back home...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 18, 2021, 06:45:51 PM
Preseason poll out w Lady Royals seriously underestimated @ #12; will be playing #9 DeSales, #21 Baldwin-Wallace and ORV(Ithaca) in the nonconference schedule. I would have had them up with Messiah @ #4.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 19, 2021, 10:22:26 AM
Certainly possible Scranton is underrated. This was a really hard ballot.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 19, 2021, 10:40:02 AM
Can confirm this was a really difficult ballot. It was hard to balance the data from 2019-20, where Scranton lost a couple of conference games, lost at home in the first round, and then had just one starter back from that team, with last year where Scranton played only four teams.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 19, 2021, 03:52:58 PM
 They lose no one from last year's 7-1 squad and add, arguably, the most capable player in grad D1 xfer Abby Anderson. We should know how they mesh by New Year's.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on October 19, 2021, 06:29:34 PM
Having not voted in any polls myself, I would venture to guess that pre-season polls are never easy as we don't know how returning players will step up in the absence of those who've moved on, and the contributions of freshmen is tough to predict.  And this year, with so many teams not playing many games last year (or at all), I can only imagine how much more difficult it was.

Personally, I don't put a ton of stock in pre-season polls.  (No disrespect to those who do a lot of research to contribute to them!).  If the Royals gel, play up to the level of their talent and rise to the challenge of a demanding OOC schedule, I'm sure that they will find themselves climbing the ladder as season progresses!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 19, 2021, 09:46:38 PM
Quote from: ronk on October 19, 2021, 03:52:58 PM
They lose no one from last year's 7-1 squad and add, arguably, the most capable player in grad D1 xfer Abby Anderson. We should know how they mesh by New Year's.

Last year's 7-1 squad played less than 1% of Division III schools, so what does that mean, exactly?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 19, 2021, 11:16:30 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 19, 2021, 09:46:38 PM
Quote from: ronk on October 19, 2021, 03:52:58 PM
They lose no one from last year's 7-1 squad and add, arguably, the most capable player in grad D1 xfer Abby Anderson. We should know how they mesh by New Year's.

Last year's 7-1 squad played less than 1% of Division III schools, so what does that mean, exactly?

It could mean that they played more schools than Tufts and lost to fewer of them than Wartburg, John Carroll, and Whitman, if that's among your ranking criteria.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on October 21, 2021, 06:08:36 AM

Ronk;
Well stated.
Concise, and to the point.
And, the point is...there is no rhyme or reason behind pre-season polls.
Some placements are just more questionable than others.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 21, 2021, 07:27:27 AM
Quote from: saratoga on October 21, 2021, 06:08:36 AM

Ronk;
Well stated.
Concise, and to the point.
And, the point is...there is no rhyme or reason behind pre-season polls.
Some placements are just more questionable than others.

Funny how we had the same discussion on the men's board as well. It's pretty offensive, honestly, saying there's no rhyme or reason. There's almost always a lot of both. Now, does the preseason poll predict regular season success? You could certainly say that's more random, but voters aren't throwing names on to the ballot willy-nilly.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on October 21, 2021, 01:54:15 PM

Ryan:
Sorry if that offended you or anyone else that actually takes the time to put some thought into polls.
However, history has shown time & again that when not using objective data, these pre-season polls do not come close to any predictive success of any teams season.
It's a visual to kick start the upcoming season.
Heck, by your 3rd. poll when teams have played, there will still be rankings that make no sense to some folks.
It's merely a discussion on this board & when people talk, it shows an interest & when there is an interest people come back...isn't that the ultimate goal?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on October 21, 2021, 02:52:00 PM
lets have our own pole on the worst teams in the country I already have my number one as this coach has left nothing but disaster and anguish in her wake.  Hillbert you went to the tournament a couple of years ago but you are about to get hit by destruction and it wont have anything to do with the players.  Now some would say i have persona bias against this coach and they are correct I have seen first hand not just the losing and basketball play but the personal expense and mental derision that had nothing to do with basketball the players of a high school team had to take . Want  a good read go to the presentation  university womans basketball page and read what the new coach says about all the work she needs to do just not on the court but off to help bring her players back from the last 2 years.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 21, 2021, 03:04:58 PM
Hey, our women's poll has a really good success rate at picking the final four teams! Much easier on this side of things than on the men's side. :)

I don't know if Jester is joking (see what I did there?), but I don't want to spotlight misery and strife. That's what facebook is for (zing!).

Seriously, let's not focus on the negative since all of these players, coaches and administrations are people first. Cue up the Youngbloods... (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=smile+on+your+brother+buffalo+springfield)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 21, 2021, 04:10:56 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on October 21, 2021, 03:04:58 PM
Hey, our women's poll has a really good success rate at picking the final four teams! Much easier on this side of things than on the men's side. :)

I don't know if Jester is joking (see what I did there?), but I don't want to spotlight misery and strife. That's what facebook is for (zing!).

Seriously, let's not focus on the negative since all of these players, coaches and administrations are people first. Cue up the Youngbloods... (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=smile+on+your+brother+buffalo+springfield)

That's why I was hoping the Lady Royals would have come in @ #4 in the preseason poll.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 21, 2021, 06:47:40 PM
Ha! I picked them in the Final Four in the last tournament, if that's any consolation (It isn't).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 21, 2021, 06:55:53 PM
 Tweets today that the Lady Royals will be adding a 6-3 post player from the D1 transfer portal(activation time unspecified). She was on my prospect list 3 summers ago but I haven't seen her play since. Best wishes to her for a smooth assimilation into the program.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on October 21, 2021, 07:47:47 PM
i got a smite about damn time. i was kidding about the poll  all players should be respected but i would disagree on coaches they are in a position of power that can do great damage if unchecked
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals81 on October 21, 2021, 08:51:28 PM
Quote from: ronk on October 21, 2021, 06:55:53 PM
Tweets today that the Lady Royals will be adding a 6-3 post player from the D1 transfer portal(activation time unspecified). She was on my prospect list 3 summers ago but I haven't seen her play since. Best wishes to her for a smooth assimilation into the program.

Ronk,
I heard the same over this past weekend.  Addition will most likely take place sometime in December during the semester break.  Minutes will be at a premium  earned on the court during practices and games. The University's academic and athletic traditions are having a synergistic effect on the D1 portal.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 21, 2021, 09:07:12 PM
Wow, nice!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on October 21, 2021, 10:45:19 PM
I guarantee if its a d-1 player coming she has been assured her role. she wouldnt be going to a d-3 school and giving up her scholarship to sit on a bench
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 22, 2021, 07:41:37 AM
Quote from: Jester1390 on October 21, 2021, 10:45:19 PM
I guarantee if its a d-1 player coming she has been assured her role. she wouldnt be going to a d-3 school and giving up her scholarship to sit on a bench

You'd be surprised how many d1 players end up on a d3 bench every year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 22, 2021, 08:37:32 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 22, 2021, 07:41:37 AM
Quote from: Jester1390 on October 21, 2021, 10:45:19 PM
I guarantee if its a d-1 player coming she has been assured her role. she wouldnt be going to a d-3 school and giving up her scholarship to sit on a bench

You'd be surprised how many d1 players end up on a d3 bench every year.

Former D1 Players?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 22, 2021, 08:58:14 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on October 22, 2021, 08:37:32 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 22, 2021, 07:41:37 AM
Quote from: Jester1390 on October 21, 2021, 10:45:19 PM
I guarantee if its a d-1 player coming she has been assured her role. she wouldnt be going to a d-3 school and giving up her scholarship to sit on a bench

You'd be surprised how many d1 players end up on a d3 bench every year.

Former D1 Players?

Probably less so for women, but definitely for the men, a d1 scholarship doesn't guarantee playing time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 22, 2021, 01:20:26 PM
Quote from: saratoga on October 21, 2021, 01:54:15 PM

Heck, by your 3rd. poll when teams have played, there will still be rankings that make no sense to some folks.


That may reflect more on those folks than on the rankings.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 22, 2021, 01:22:27 PM
Quote from: ronk on October 19, 2021, 11:16:30 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 19, 2021, 09:46:38 PM
Quote from: ronk on October 19, 2021, 03:52:58 PM
They lose no one from last year's 7-1 squad and add, arguably, the most capable player in grad D1 xfer Abby Anderson. We should know how they mesh by New Year's.

Last year's 7-1 squad played less than 1% of Division III schools, so what does that mean, exactly?

It could mean that they played more schools than Tufts and lost to fewer of them than Wartburg, John Carroll, and Whitman, if that's among your ranking criteria.

What I'm saying is that hanging any ranking on eight games in the past 19 months is ludicrous. Even in women's basketball, we are up for an unpredictable season, so I'm sorry we didn't rank your team as high as you would like, but ... I mean, it's not the Scranton Times Top 25.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on October 22, 2021, 02:09:10 PM
To add to it another D1 player will be joining the Lady Royals!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 26, 2021, 11:13:03 AM
anyone attending the pre-season dinner? if so please report back.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 27, 2021, 09:22:57 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on October 26, 2021, 11:13:03 AM
anyone attending the pre-season dinner? if so please report back.

Saratoga has gone in the past, possibly in the Woodruff era; Royal81 may be another possibility.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals81 on October 27, 2021, 09:49:12 PM
Quote from: ronk on October 27, 2021, 09:22:57 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on October 26, 2021, 11:13:03 AM
anyone attending the pre-season dinner? if so please report back.

Saratoga has gone in the past, possibly in the Woodruff era; Royal81 may be another possibility.

Yes, I'll be attending the Lady Royal's Tip Off Dinner on Saturday night. 
I'm looking forward to being back on campus for longer than 15 minutes for the first time since March 2020.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on October 28, 2021, 10:58:50 AM

I've made all the previous ones but I'm pretty sure we'll be sitting this one out.

Royal's 81...have a great time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 01, 2021, 06:54:08 PM
 Lady Royals' Bridgette Monaghan picked for the D3 preseason 2nd team All-America. Will be facing a 2nd team choice(DeSales' Averi Jordan) in the 2nd game of the year. 3 other of my former prospects also named - Messiah's Leah Springer(2nd), Williams' Maggie Meehan(HM), Tufts' Molly Ryan(HM).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 01, 2021, 08:00:47 PM

Ronk:
From how I'm reading the article, Jordan is also on the 2nd. team.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 01, 2021, 08:07:47 PM
That's correct; my bad.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 07, 2021, 07:30:47 AM

As we gear up for a long awaited new season, one of the more interesting new comers in the league will be E-towns 6'3" freshman center, DanniRay Renno.
Led her HS team to a AA Pennsylvania State Championship, was All-State, threw in 40 points in one game & averaged over 20ppg for the season.
As we all know, the transition from high school to college ball is not easy but this young woman certainly has the makings of a really great catch for E-town.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 07, 2021, 10:07:28 AM
Quote from: saratoga on November 07, 2021, 07:30:47 AM

As we gear up for a long awaited new season, one of the more interesting new comers in the league will be E-towns 6'3" freshman center, DanniRay Renno.
Led her HS team to a AA Pennsylvania State Championship, was All-State, threw in 40 points in one game & averaged over 20ppg for the season.
As we all know, the transition from high school to college ball is not easy but this young woman certainly has the makings of a really great catch for E-town.

I see that Veronica Christ returns as a grad student for Etown but Angie Hawkins, one of the more athletic Landmark players, did not.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 07, 2021, 07:06:26 PM
 While we wait for the Lady Royals to open their season Thursday, congrats go to the women's teams that won their AQs yesterday, soccer and field hockey. Volleyball had a big lead in the 3rd game against perennial winner Juniata, but Juniata closed strongly to win in straight sets. Don't know if the volleyballers will get an at-large bid tomorrow.
  Abby Anderson(WBB) was the athletic dept rep today with the weekly thought on growing as a person, student, teammate.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 07, 2021, 08:36:34 PM
Quote from: saratoga on September 27, 2021, 08:27:17 PM

Ryan;
What's the scoop with Bobbi Morgan leaving Haverford for Ursinus?
Not that common for coaches leave one school only to be hired by another in the same conference.
The pay differential has to be less since it doesn't appear she has any administrative role beyond coaching.
Just looking for a new challenge or did she feel Haverford peaked in their commitment?

She didn't actually leave Haverford for Ursinus ... she left Haverford and took a prep school job ... then the Ursinus job opened up and she decided she still wanted to coach in college.

She left Haverford for reasons I'm told are due to far higher up the food chain (notice, the AD left prior to Morgan and other coaches and staff left) ... and maybe the prep job wasn't what she hoped or was ready for.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 08, 2021, 01:04:18 PM
Quote from: ronk on November 07, 2021, 07:06:26 PM
While we wait for the Lady Royals to open their season Thursday, congrats go to the women's teams that won their AQs yesterday, soccer and field hockey. Volleyball had a big lead in the 3rd game against perennial winner Juniata, but Juniata closed strongly to win in straight sets. Don't know if the volleyballers will get an at-large bid tomorrow.
  Abby Anderson(WBB) was the athletic dept rep today with the weekly thought on growing as a person, student, teammate.

Volleyball get at an large bid. Everyone makes the NCAA's except the Men's Soccer team. They finish 4-6-5 and miss the Landmark Tournament.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 09, 2021, 02:34:47 PM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on September 29, 2021, 11:15:43 AM
Anyone else see this tweet from Kaitlyn Lewis last week? 

https://twitter.com/kaitlewis3/status/1440755962487316480

I wonder what it's in reference to...

Upon reflection of what happened since, it appears that the addition of Emma Duerr in the future might have been to whom she was referring.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on November 09, 2021, 08:51:33 PM
Quote from: ronk on November 09, 2021, 02:34:47 PM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on September 29, 2021, 11:15:43 AM
Anyone else see this tweet from Kaitlyn Lewis last week? 

https://twitter.com/kaitlewis3/status/1440755962487316480

I wonder what it's in reference to...

Upon reflection of what happened since, it appears that the addition of Emma Duerr in the future might have been to whom she was referring.

You're probably right! 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 10, 2021, 10:04:59 PM
 Video link for Lady Royals' game tomorrow nite is currently only showing up on the Marywood WBB page. Many schools haven't yet connected with d3hoops' schedule for video and live stats.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on November 11, 2021, 09:32:02 PM
Watched a little bit of the video from tonight's blowout win by the Royals over Marywood.  They had strong strong ball movement (with assists on 30/38 FGs), accurate shooting (38-67) and dominated on the boards (45-32).  And Abby Anderson is advertised, with 19 points in 17 minutes, on 8-11 shooting.

DeSales on Saturday should be a much bigger test, though...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 11, 2021, 09:59:10 PM
 15 Lady Royals dressed and played at least 7 mins. 2 in scrubs on the bench, presumably Carly Heineman and Mackenzie Steele.
  Abby Anderson:  when doing evaluations 6 summers ago(rising senior year-high school) , I had Leah Springer(Messiah 2nd team preseason All-American) and Abby relatively equivalent. Since then, Leah has had a significant injury and Abby played lower half D1 level competition. They may still be equivalent; both can do it all on the D3 level.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 12, 2021, 07:22:26 AM
Scrubs?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 12, 2021, 08:20:26 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 12, 2021, 07:22:26 AM
Scrubs?

Just a description of informal team outerwear. not wearing the playing uniform.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 13, 2021, 11:51:53 AM

Probably the only area the Lady Royals need to improve upon from their opener is to drive to the basket more often to get to the free throw line.
They have some kids that can take it in with authority & when Marywood came out of their zone, there were opportunities that were there.
A great free throw shooting team certainly wants that part of the game to be in play.
Create some overloads & let the drives begin.


As for tonight...
Scranton-73/Desales-58.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 13, 2021, 11:58:15 AM
 I underestimated DeSales' Averi Jordan when I 1st saw her as a frosh; thought Makenzie Mason would dominate her, but Averi not only equalized if not won the battle between them.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 13, 2021, 03:35:40 PM

However, the Lady Royals won both games so the kingdom slept well.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 13, 2021, 10:37:10 PM
Very entertaining game tonight between Scranton and DeSales.

Monaghan looked great from outside the arc. She didn't finish much at the rim, but I was impressed by her ability to get there repeatedly. And you can't complain when she shot 8 for 12 from three. Anderson is a nice addition. She was only 1 for 7 from three but the one she made was a big one. It's a really well balanced starting lineup and the Lady Royals won't see a lot of front court duos like Jordan and Reese, or a lot of defenses like DeSales.

Maybe those two teams see each other again in March.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on November 13, 2021, 11:02:15 PM
Yes Desales came out of the gate opened 8-0 then Scranton came back went up 11 then Desales outscored Scranton 13-1 and took the lead 68-67 .Then on a timeout Shurina hit a 3 pointer in the corner made it 70-68 after a miss they found Abby in the corner for a big 3 to close it out!Great Game Scranton-Monahan 30 pts Abby Anderson 21pts for Desales- Reese 20 ptspts,Jordan 19 pts.I thought Kyra Quigley played well tonight defending the inside play.Desales just kept cutting never stopped Great win Lady Royals !!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 13, 2021, 11:09:51 PM
 Always good defense from Coach Richter's club. They overplay the passing lanes and cause a # of turnovers. Reese is a fine addition and will be a factor in the paint as she develops her post moves.
  Bridgette may be less effective on her drives than 3-pt attempts but she has good judgment on when to pass vs shoot and the drives increase her chances of drawing foul shots where makes 85%.
  Abby Anderson is a complete player and will take the pressure off Bridgette by driving, passing, being the main option on inbound plays under her basket.
  Anticipating a fun year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 13, 2021, 11:16:44 PM
Exciting day of basketball at the Long Center. The men came very close to knocking off Swathmore. Tahaj Parland was fouled and hit his head, Danzig flew out to see if he was okay. Scary scene. Praying he's okay with no lingering injuries.

Heck of a nightcap with the Lady Royals win.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on November 13, 2021, 11:22:32 PM
Nepean -Lot of Basketball at the long center today two great games!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 14, 2021, 08:13:37 AM

Last evenings game reminded me of the one between them back in Nov. of 2018.
Playing in the Long Center, Desales raced out to an 18-4 lead on the Lady Royals.
Scranton slowly worked their way back in the game with a smothering defense of their own, started to work the ball inside to Sophia & they eventually held on for a 63-58 victory.
The Lady Royals kept on winning & made it to the Final Four later that season.
May we be as fortunate this year.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 14, 2021, 05:44:42 PM

Congrats to the Lady Royal soccer team for winning this weekend & heading to the Sweet 16.
My hunch is that either Scranton or Miseri will host the next round of their bracket so the NCAA can save on two teams not needing to be put up in hotels.
If either TCNJ or William Smith host, the NCAA will be paying for 3 teams.
History has shown they love to avoid that whenever possible.
Regardless...all the best to the Lady Royals.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on November 14, 2021, 06:46:46 PM
Quote from: saratoga on November 14, 2021, 05:44:42 PM

Congrats to the Lady Royal soccer team for winning this weekend & heading to the Sweet 16.
My hunch is that either Scranton or Miseri will host the next round of their bracket so the NCAA can save on two teams not needing to be put up in hotels.
If either TCNJ or William Smith host, the NCAA will be paying for 3 teams.
History has shown they love to avoid that whenever possible.
Regardless...all the best to the Lady Royals.

Plus when you factor in travel, Scranton/Dallas are more central so it's easier for Wm Smith/TCNJ to travel to NEPA than for everyone to go to Geneva or Ewing.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 14, 2021, 07:06:28 PM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on November 14, 2021, 06:46:46 PM
Quote from: saratoga on November 14, 2021, 05:44:42 PM

Congrats to the Lady Royal soccer team for winning this weekend & heading to the Sweet 16.
My hunch is that either Scranton or Miseri will host the next round of their bracket so the NCAA can save on two teams not needing to be put up in hotels.
If either TCNJ or William Smith host, the NCAA will be paying for 3 teams.
History has shown they love to avoid that whenever possible.
Regardless...all the best to the Lady Royals.


Scranton beat Miseri earlier this year so......

We really need a Scranton devoted room to chat...
Plus when you factor in travel, Scranton/Dallas are more central so it's easier for Wm Smith/TCNJ to travel to NEPA than for everyone to go to Geneva or Ewing.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 14, 2021, 07:40:00 PM

:)
Agreed.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on November 15, 2021, 02:50:01 PM
As Saratoga surmised, Lady Royals soccer are indeed hosting the Sweet 16:

https://athletics.scranton.edu/sports/wsoc/2021-22/releases/20211115l45r5j
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 15, 2021, 03:06:48 PM
 Maybe, the ncaa has set up the draw so that if the Royals and Miseri win, the losers can go home w/o needing hotel rooms.  ::)
Messiah doesn't usually lose in a regional, so good for TCNJ.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 15, 2021, 03:50:39 PM
Dean called Sunday's game....i think he is almost a full time employee. ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 15, 2021, 04:05:03 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on November 15, 2021, 03:50:39 PM
Dean called Sunday's game....i think he is almost a full time employee. ;)

Well, Saturday, Dean will have to run from the soccer match @1 @ Weiss to the Long Center for the women's game @ 3 (King's).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 17, 2021, 07:38:02 AM

Two very entertaining games last night I was able to watch.
Game 1...G-Burg vs. Messiah & game 2...Desales vs. M-burg.
In both games, the winning defense surrounded the star players of the opposing team & disrupted their offensive rhythm just enough.
Both Springer of Messiah & Jordan of Desales were double & triple teamed at times leading to forced shots & frustration.
Great bounce back game by G-burg after a tough loss in Goucher's tournament to CNU.
As for Desales...2 losses in a row & beside the two bigs, not much help elsewhere in the lineup at this time.
Losing focus on the defensive end is my biggest worry for the Lady Royals right now.
They sometimes get a little too confident with their offensive skills & they tend to let some teams hang around longer than they should (Marywood excluded).
Should be another tough game in Ithaca this evening.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on November 17, 2021, 10:11:14 PM
All I will say is Wow Scranton was outplayed outcoached By Ithaca tonight.They drove they shot and bo hands were up at all poor game plan.First since 2007 I think when Mt St Mary's clobbered Scranton that I have seen Scranton Play this Bad (Not taking away from Ithaca)No adjustments from coach Dipillo at all.Poorly Poorly Poorly executed By coach and staff.These are the games when you see what needs to change and I saw many tonight that needs to be changed  that was an embarrassment  to say!!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 17, 2021, 10:48:09 PM
 That's why tough teams are scheduled in the nonconference season-to expose one's weaknesses(offense/defense/strategy) that would be missed against lesser teams. Not everyone is competent wrt ballhandling, passing, defending, judgment, etc. but you only find that out against teams that challenge you. Ithaca challenged most passes and overplayed ball exchanges; expect a similar style in 2 1/2 weeks @ Catholic.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on November 18, 2021, 01:09:17 AM
Big Factor Ronk tonight,NO ADJUSTMENTS made by Coach Dipillo!Also The starting lineup needs to change quick you have someone that gives you zero points and Ithaca exposed Scranton tonight because of no inside game and only two players that can adjust to that play man to man Abby and Bridgette.It was a totsl mess seeing the ladies go drive to the basket and take it from the hip to the basket snd get it blocked all the time.I know it is only the 3rd game.The more impressive thing is how easy Ithaca blew us out of the water,The reason they shot 57% is because they drove 80% of the time and he stayed with that defense and never once going to a zone to make them shot ftom 23ft away instead of 2 feet away! Higher chances at 2 ft then 23ft.It was just in my 40 years of watching them in person not be competitive from a lady Royals fan!Last beat down I have seen as A fan was Mt St Mary's we just became number one and Tiffany and a couple other girls didn't play we got smoked at Mt St Mary's!So being a fan and I don't miss many games this was a total.embarrasment bottom line Ronk!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on November 18, 2021, 10:48:34 PM
Ronk after ladt night you think Scranton should be 4th in rankings?Ronk they need discipline and change in starting lineup to be ranked 4th.30 of 52 shooting for 57% from Ithaca and most of those shots are layups-No Defense,No Adjustments are made by Coach it will be another one and Done in The NCAA  tournament if they make it.Bottom line I know alot of you hide behind your minus marks on this board but facts are correct and truth hurts!Trevor was a tough coach and got the best out of his players this coach better learn fast that you are head Coach of a powerhouse basketball program and mediocre is not in play at Scranton on both sides!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 18, 2021, 11:17:09 PM
 Not any longer-they should at least be behind Ithaca now.  :o  We'll see now what changes occur thru the rest of the nonconference schedule. Had to be an eyeopener for the sophs and frosh who hadn't played a strong nonconference foe in their college career. I expect Bridgette and Abby will be up to it; hopefully, the others will, also.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 20, 2021, 02:14:00 PM

Wednesday's loss by the Lady Royals was their worst in 11 years.
Totally flat right from the tip.
I think they better realize they are not up 20 points before the game starts or they'll find themselves in similar situations throughout the year...perhaps even today.
Kings certainly isn't deep but they do play with intensity.
Post presence has been totally non-existent thus far...hopefully, the start of inter-session will change that.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on November 21, 2021, 03:16:54 AM
11 years I thought it was longer then that!Doesn't matter it was an embarrassment! then Ithaca goes to Cortland and throws up bricks because they didn't let them dictate the game- 32% against Cortland no easy drives and 57% against Scranton letting drive the whole night.3 years ago with 4 starters coming back from a final four run same exact thing happened,The team came in and he never made adjustments to get us in the game I'm sorry but that loss at Ithaca was a disgrace from a Parent,Fan etc!Still aggravated
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 21, 2021, 01:15:51 PM

Well, technically it has been longer.
Actually, it's been 12 years, not 11.
The Lady Royals last rather humiliating loss was on Dec. 14, 2009 when they lost 70/45 to Kean.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 21, 2021, 01:26:41 PM

And, by the way, this is the time when Kean was found out to be allowing women's basketball players in the school without having to pay the tuition everyone else had to & the coach, a history professor, was found to be allowing players to sign up for her courses, not attend & then get passing grades.
Fun times at Kean.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 29, 2021, 10:07:31 PM
 Road victory for the Lady Royals @ Misericordia 70-48. Bridgette, after missing her 1st 3 3-pt attempts, went 6-8 from the distance, on her way to 25 pts. Emily(4-8 on 3s) chipped in with 16 pts and 8 rebs. Hopefully, Emily is regaining her touch of her 1st 2 years. Carly Heineman back in action after missing some games ,but no Danielle. Negatives: 18 turnovers and 16 allowed offensive rebounds. They'll need to be better Saturday @ Catholic, 6-0 and #25 in latest poll.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 30, 2021, 06:46:34 AM

Good call Ronk on the Lady Royals allowing 2nd. & 3rd. chance shots.
I lost count of how many times I told the computer to box out.
They do have a tendency to want to start their offense after a shot instead of aggressively going for the rebound.
You can't start your fast breaks if you don't have the ball.  ;)
As for the Miseri coach running 4 & 5 new players in each 2 minute segment of the game...I think he did more harm to his own chances as his kids could never get into any offensive rhythm.
Lady Royals did play some nice defense throughout the game...just need to finish by going after the rebounds.
Twenty point win...on the road to a decent team...take it every time.
Keep improving.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 01, 2021, 12:36:25 AM
 Found a video replay of yesterday's Lady Royals-Miseri game on Youtube; much better than relying on live stats' play-by-play.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 01, 2021, 06:31:25 AM

Not sure why you had to rely on live stats...the game was broadcast live.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 01, 2021, 12:48:47 PM
 I had a link to Miseri web page for video, but stream never showed; I may have needed to click on something additionally.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on December 01, 2021, 03:50:52 PM
Yes, it said there was no content.  But when I clicked on something on their page, the live stream came on.  I missed the first quarter and a half though...
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 04, 2021, 01:44:41 PM

The Lady Royals will need Maddy H. & Emily S. to step up big today if they are to win in Washington.
Catholic will double team Bridgett from the moment she touches the ball & they will gamble on making someone else beat them.
Crazy rushed shots will not be the answer...getting the ball into Kyra on the blocks, & Abby taking it to the basket then kicking out will need to work.
Obviously, eliminating unforced turnovers & not playing their Swiss cheese Ithaca defense right from the start will also improve their chances.
Could be a good one, could be another klunker.  ;)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on December 04, 2021, 09:07:14 PM
Nice win for the Lady Royals. This team has a ton of potential, if they continue to improve I can see them making noise in the tournament this year. Might have another Elite 8 team in our future.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 04, 2021, 10:29:52 PM
 Expected struggle materialized @ Catholic; Coach Donahue's club always plays tough helping team defense and limited Bridgette's number of 3-pt attempts. Abby took up the slack with a number of drives in the lane, drawing fouls, nabbing offensive rebounds. I expected Abby to average a double-double this season and today was evidence of that.
  Team missed Hannah Angelini, out with illness. Used more zone defense than usual, possibly to protect Maddie H and Abby who each had 3 fouls in the 1st half.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on December 11, 2021, 03:04:03 PM
Maybe a little shakeup is needed with this team you think Coach,Only Two players come to play every night Anderson,Monoghan.Shurina sometimes So actually Coach Dipillo in case you didn't get it from the Ithaca game maybe it will sink in after Desales clock's them and Scranton goes in 3 days later and gets clocked!You can't win with only two players showing up every game and every team will follow Ithaca and Steven's games.Gave you a pass 2 years ago when Endicott came in and clocked you in the 1stvround in the NCAA .Your here 3 years and without Anderson and Monoghan this team  would be .500.Sorry but I'm not sorry.Standard Univerdity of Scranton Lady Royals is to go deep in the NCAA!See them trophies out in the Front of the Long Center well take a look that is Standard at the U.Changes need to be made like in Starters or this ship is headed in a direction us Loyal Royals are not familiar with!Winning the Landmark is great but we expect a long run in the NCAA tournament or a National Title .We already have a program for 21 years that is sub 500 that im surprised changes haven't been made to that ONCE NATIONAL POWERHOUSE PROGRAM HOPEFULLY SOON .You can give me thumbs down all you want but I'm not thrilled In the direction the Basketball programs are headed!Maybe I'm wrong but usually after a couple years you see it after Watching Strong all his coaching career and seeing Woodruff his 4 years he had  at the you!!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 11, 2021, 08:17:50 PM

Absolutely no offensive rhythm to the Lady Royals.
We are through a quarter of the season & they look as disorganized as they probably were on the first day of practice.
In addition to thinking bombs away is an offensive scheme, their perimeter defense is non-existent.
Even the Stevens announcers made the statement that "it appears the Scranton coaching staff did a poor job of scouting us".
Coming out unprepared for the game before them is becoming a bit too common.
This was an absolutely winnable game if you have any aspirations of playing in March.
Much credit to the Stevens kids & coaching staff.
The players out-hustled & out-played Scranton from the tip & DiPillo looked like a deer in headlights once again.
This team is speeding toward a fork in the road...which turn do they make?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on December 16, 2021, 09:03:01 AM
Today is the last day of exams at Univesity of Tulsa.  Let's get Emma Duerr on the next flight to Avoca to practice with the Royals.  Maybe she will provide the shakeup that this team needs.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 16, 2021, 10:14:49 AM
 I'm remembering a few years ago when the Royals(men) scheduled to play in the D3hoops Classic in Las Vegas couldn't fly out of Avoca because of a huge snowfall and missed the Classic.   ::)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 16, 2021, 10:26:13 AM
Coaches record at Scranton is 37-7.  .840 winning percentage.     
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 16, 2021, 02:51:33 PM

And to think Trevor's was even higher after the same amount of games.
Unfortunately, his record in NCAA Tournament games...0-1.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on December 18, 2021, 08:16:20 PM
That's a great record Nepafan!But Saratoga mentioned about that 0-1 record NCAA tournament,My biggest problem with this coach is he makes no in game adjustments and I agree with those Student announcers from Steven's when Saratoga stated them as saying did this coach even scout us?I see it with my own eyes he did the same thing against Endicott (NCAA )and Ithaca(this year)Them kids bust ass every night on that court and the coach needs to do his part!Every team is giving their A game everytime they play Scranton!Just make in game adjustments
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 19, 2021, 11:27:59 AM

Watched the Hope/Trine game last evening & what a joy to see organized offensive sets by both teams.
The defense was relentless at times & it really came down to execution & each player understanding their roll.
No run down the court nonsense & fire up a 3 before your teammates are even in position to rebound.
No stupid unforced turnovers.
Just intense basic hard-nosed basketball. Pass-pass-pass-open shot, nail it.
Inside/out game...played to perfection.
I'd love to see the Lady Royals get back to this style that served them well for over 30 years.
They may be told they are the second coming of the UNLV Runnin' Rebs...reality says otherwise.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 19, 2021, 12:15:24 PM
 Liked Hope's challenge of most ball exchanges(handoffs and passes), yet still able to defend against backdoor cuts. Also liked Trine's backup PG frosh Wagner maintaining her dribble while exploring options in/out of the paint. She was pressed into service in this game as the 2nd choice with this week's injury of the starting PG. I see her as a future star at this level.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on December 19, 2021, 11:17:31 PM
Saratoga the last time the Lady Royals had an inside present was Roman.Hopefully Emma brings that to this team!So you can't have outside/inside if you don't have the personal.Maybe that changes.Anyone of you diehard fans headed to Florida?should be great games?_
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 20, 2021, 07:09:01 AM

Kyra scored 16 points in her first game as a freshman.
She may not be a prototypical post player but she has soft hands, catches a lot of difficult passes and could easily fill the void of the current non-scoring 5th. starter.
To me, it appears Kyra came in as a freshman with a skill set that was ready to take off with some basic coaching on post play.
Unfortunately, she is primarily used as a passer/screen setter out front and is given minimal opportunities for touches down on the blocks.
She works very hard when she's in...they need to get her the ball more often.
When a kid comes in their first college game two years ago with more confidence in their game than where they are at after two years in the program, then something is missing.
He has a post presence, it's just that in his version of offense, their role is traffic cop/handoff screen-setter.
The best way to open up some lanes to shoot from the outside, score a few in the paint.
A singular offense will only take you so far.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on December 20, 2021, 12:35:38 PM
Scranton's roster has been updated to include Emma Duerr:

https://athletics.scranton.edu/sports/wbkb/2021-22/roster

I look forward to seeing her play this week!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 20, 2021, 02:59:56 PM

Thanks Tim.
States she's a junior...I guess that's academically but I believe she has sophomore eligibility basketball wise.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 20, 2021, 03:56:05 PM
Quote from: saratoga on December 20, 2021, 02:59:56 PM

Thanks Tim.
States she's a junior...I guess that's academically but I believe she has sophomore eligibility basketball wise.

Very nice, and thanks Tim!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on December 20, 2021, 04:02:06 PM
Quote from: saratoga on December 20, 2021, 02:59:56 PM

Thanks Tim.
States she's a junior...I guess that's academically but I believe she has sophomore eligibility basketball wise.

You are correct.  She red-shirted last year because of injury, so she should have 3 years of eligibility remaining, if she chooses to use them.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 20, 2021, 08:03:00 PM
Does she suit up tomorrow?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on December 20, 2021, 08:45:39 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 20, 2021, 08:03:00 PM
Does she suit up tomorrow?

I think she does, but probably will only get limited PT tomorrow with only a couple days of practice.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 20, 2021, 11:22:08 PM
Quote from: saratoga on December 20, 2021, 07:09:01 AM

Kyra scored 16 points in her first game as a freshman.
She may not be a prototypical post player but she has soft hands, catches a lot of difficult passes and could easily fill the void of the current non-scoring 5th. starter.
To me, it appears Kyra came in as a freshman with a skill set that was ready to take off with some basic coaching on post play.
Unfortunately, she is primarily used as a passer/screen setter out front and is given minimal opportunities for touches down on the blocks.
She works very hard when she's in...they need to get her the ball more often.
When a kid comes in their first college game two years ago with more confidence in their game than where they are at after two years in the program, then something is missing.
He has a post presence, it's just that in his version of offense, their role is traffic cop/handoff screen-setter.
The best way to open up some lanes to shoot from the outside, score a few in the paint.
A singular offense will only take you so far.

That was my impression of Kyra when I pointed her out to Trevor during her rising senior AAU play: that she was as complete a D3 post prospect as I saw that summer, unfortunately, Trevor left for Bucknell and never got to coach her; Scranton is fortunate that Kyra stayed with her college choice instead of her coaching choice.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 21, 2021, 11:46:34 AM
 With 1/3 of the schedule completed, it's time for the Lady Royals to play to their capabilities starting tonight against Dickinson. Confidence of players, self and in teammates to play as one should takes fruitful practice to reach the level that Scranton historically has attained.  Integration of the new mid-season player may take a few more weeks, but I see only Baldwin-Wallace or possibly Susquehanna providing a test before February. Looks like the Colby game in Naples has been changed to Albright, probably due to NESCAC covid concerns.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 21, 2021, 08:13:38 PM

First half positives:
*The new scorers table looks great.
First half negatives:
*Is he pulling his substitution patterns out of a hat?
OMG...this team is getting worse over time...they actually look lost out there.
This team has far too much talent to be looking this sloppy.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on December 21, 2021, 10:33:28 PM
Ronk,Saratoga,Tim the enchanter-Question why not start Abby(something in practice or just playing Gamez)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 22, 2021, 01:50:01 AM
 Certainly, not for lack of effort on Abby's part; i guess she's being made an example of, as in Coach is so unhappy with team play that he'll sit a top player. Didn't work; too many trying to do what they are less capable of doing; Kyra isn't a passer; keep her within 8' of the bucket and get the ball to her instead of 18' from the bucket..
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 22, 2021, 06:37:28 AM

Looks like the coach is going through his learning curve.
Too bad he didn't hone his head coaching skills elsewhere before landing this position.
As Ronk stated, not sure why he sat Abby but it sure as hell isn't because of her effort.
She busts every minute she's in there.
Many of these moves appear to be out of frustration and not exactly calculated matchups.
Appears like he's throwing jello at a wall & hoping something sticks.
He better get his perimeter defense ready for todays game otherwise TCNJ will have a field day shooting uncontested 3's.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 22, 2021, 06:42:19 AM

PS.

All the best Ronk with your knee replacement recovery.
You'll need to work hard in rehab if you're going to be ready for Spring training.  ;)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on December 22, 2021, 07:43:48 AM
I actually thought that they played a little better last night (after the first quarter).

Defensively, I thought they rotated well and contested virtually every shot.  There were some times that they got caught flatfooted on the perimeter and allowed the ballhandler to drive by them and/or have someone slip by them on the weak side to get open under the basket, so that needs to be tightened up.

Offensively, their passing needs to be a crisper (too many unforced turnovers!) and they can't keep missing shots from 2 feet and closer.  Let's get them doing some Mikan drills!  On the positive side, Shurina played with a little more fire, and who knew that Allie Lynch had such a smooth 3-point shot?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 22, 2021, 11:21:22 AM
 There were a couple of close=in missed shots last nite(Larrabee,Angelini) that were emblematic of rushed,on-the-move,get-it-off while I'm open instead of gathering, get your body under control, and going up strong. An example of the latter was Hartman pulling up from 7' with body under control and banking her shot even though at an unusual angle. The key was body under control. It takes mental discipline to shoot under control versus get it off because I'm somewhat open even though I don't have that body control. Hoping that discipline will spread throughout the team.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 22, 2021, 03:31:11 PM

Tim:
Regarding Allie & that smooth 3 point shot.
Don't be fooled by last evening.
On the season she's 4/24...19%.
That certainly needs to improve...maybe last night will be the start of that improvement.
Looks like Maddy H. has found the sophomore jinx.
Doesn't look like the same kid that won ROY honors last season.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on December 22, 2021, 05:42:54 PM
Precisely why I said, "who knew?"  She hadn't shown it before last night!  ;D

I hope you're right about last night being the start of her improvement!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 22, 2021, 07:14:39 PM
The scorers table is nice, but crooked, I think they are fixing it. When do we get the scoreboard ribbon around the entire court?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 23, 2021, 09:12:12 AM
Also broken record; but why have a tournament 3 days before Christmas with the students gone and an empty Long Center?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 23, 2021, 10:12:01 AM
 My reason would be that it's less of a schoolwork distraction for the players to have it after semester finals and makes it easier to attract excellent teams that would be put off by traveling during class days otherwise. That they haven't secured those excellent teams suggests they accept responses to their classic announcements from "anyone"rather than pointedly inviting specific top level teams. I've suggested Amherst in the past but they are historically in finals a week later than most schools and unavailable for the classic.
   Scranton student (non)attendance doesn't seem to be a factor for the time of classic scheduling.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 23, 2021, 10:46:57 AM
Quote from: ronk on December 23, 2021, 10:12:01 AM
My reason would be that it's less of a schoolwork distraction for the players to have it after semester finals and makes it easier to attract excellent teams that would be put off by traveling during class days otherwise. That they haven't secured those excellent teams suggests they accept responses to their classic announcements from "anyone"rather than pointedly inviting specific top level teams. I've suggested Amherst in the past but they are historically in finals a week later than most schools and unavailable for the classic.
   Scranton student (non)attendance doesn't seem to be a factor for the time of classic scheduling.

That is a rational and reasonable response. ;)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on December 24, 2021, 10:39:19 PM
Well Hopefully the Lady Royals can win Two in Florida!I would like to wish you all a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! and safe travels to the Lady Royals(Go get em Ladies )
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 26, 2021, 07:14:54 PM

Happiest of Holidays to you & the whole gang as well.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 27, 2021, 12:21:44 PM
Scranton's Florida Trip Cancelled Per Scranton Website.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 27, 2021, 12:48:00 PM
 would u provide link, please?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 27, 2021, 01:35:50 PM
Quote from: ronk on December 27, 2021, 12:48:00 PM
would u provide link, please?

I promise I didn't get in the eggnog, but on the Women's schedule it had the next two games as Cancelled. I go on now and they are back on with Game Times.

Apologies for the confusion, hopefully I am not having a stroke ;)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 27, 2021, 01:45:41 PM
 thanks  for the update; haven't seen anything elsewhere,yet
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 27, 2021, 03:00:17 PM

That would be a bummer since they already flew out & someone we know has driven down there.  :o
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on December 27, 2021, 03:29:27 PM
As of 3:28 p.m. on Monday, Albright is still on but Baldwin Wallace is cancelled per their schedule on the web site.  No official announcement that I can see.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on December 27, 2021, 03:31:26 PM
Baldwin Wallace's website has confirmed their games this week are canceled:

https://www.bwyellowjackets.com/general/2021-22/releases/hoopchanges
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 27, 2021, 03:56:19 PM
 Yes, B-W showing canceled on the Scranton WBB schedule; if they're already in Naples, hopefully, they can schedule somebody also there for the other game.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 27, 2021, 04:48:14 PM
 Game w Albright now showing on Thurs in Reading instead of Naples; possibly the Ladies are going to return early from Naples(hopefully, after playing someone on Tuesday) and then bus down to Albright. A fluid situation to be sure. Stay posted!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on December 27, 2021, 05:16:54 PM
Hot off the presses:  the Florida games are all off.  Scranton will now be playing at Albright on Thursday:

https://athletics.scranton.edu/sports/wbkb/2021-22/releases/20211227ovdybl

(Which makes sense... why travel that far for one game when the teams are less than a 2 hour drive from each other?)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 29, 2021, 02:15:41 PM
 Albright game tomorrow is postponed for covid concerns on their team; no new date at this time.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 29, 2021, 05:34:21 PM

Looks like the Arcadia women were looking for a Thursday game per the "women's single game site".
Send them a text.
How about Haverford, Ursinus, Muhlenberg...someone has to be looking for games as well.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 29, 2021, 05:51:10 PM

William Patterson is also looking for a game.
Where's Danno?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 30, 2021, 09:41:28 PM

From what I've seen so far this season...
The two best teams in the country right now are Hope & Christopher Newport.
Hope is just soundly & fundamentally good & CNU keeps getting better each time I see them play.
Their press & zone traps are relentless & they just seem to be playing with a complete understanding of what each players role is.
Conversely, the Lady Royals just don't seem to be making any real headway as the season progresses.
Just not seeing any player development or growth...essentially reliant on two players to provide 75% of their scoring.
Substitution patterns sometimes have 3 & 4 non-shooters on the floor at the same time
Certainly better to have your game come together & peak down the stretch but something is clearly missing with the Lady Royals right now.
It appears they are winning based on sheer talent & not due to taking that talent to another level.
Still time to kick it into high gear & out of cruise control but the clock is ticking.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on January 02, 2022, 07:09:34 PM
Lady Royals have a game on January 17 hosting Salisbury which I think was just added.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 02, 2022, 07:21:21 PM
 It's a replacement for 1 of the canceled games in Florida. Kelly Lewandowski(Baskow) Salisbury HC returns to her alma mater; I frequently see her at our  reunions(we're on the same 5-year cycle) or at AAU tourneys.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 03, 2022, 06:09:34 PM
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Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 04, 2022, 12:57:55 PM
 Lady Royals have added a game with Clark Summit 1/10 so, in combo with recently-added Salisbury on 1/17, it looks like the        postponed game with Albright becomes if needed to fill a 25-game schedule, if not canceled altogether. Clark Summit has a 10-1 record but no victories of note.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on January 06, 2022, 01:00:53 AM
My question for the pollsters is how the hell do you keep Amherst at 3 and didnt play a game since 12-3 but drop Scranton further down the polls even though there last game was there Christmas Tournament on 12/23 please explain Voters ? Just smh is this real ?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 06, 2022, 06:40:28 AM

They didn't keep Amherst "at 3"...they actually moved them up from 4 to 3 when they haven't played in a month.
This is a discussion on The Top 25 thread.
The reality is any "pollster' that did that is undeserving of the challenge before them.
But as I've said a thousand times, these "polls" mean absolutely nothing...just get your team ready for the real poll that begins in Feb. & that is the NCAA Regional one.
Gordon & Ryan take their votes seriously as do others but there are obviously some on this group that put very little effort into combining available data with common sense.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 07, 2022, 03:28:21 PM
Interesting that voters want Amherst to be "punished" and lose votes because they weren't allowed to travel to Vegas for the D3hoops.com Classic. SMH

Secondly, I didn't realize part of the voters' mandate was to move teams down a poll because they haven't played. I'll have to note that for the next time I do my Top 25 and remove Yeshiva on the men's side because they are in their winter break (same as everyone else's just later). (sarcasm)

As has been explained to this group more times than I can count:
- Voting is not one team compared to another ... there are many teams involved. A team may move up or down with nothing that relates to them. Voters may want to move other teams into a position and that requires other teams to shuffle around that decision.
- Things are also not in a vacuum. There are a lot of factors involved and every voter has their own decision model. Trying to compare the movement of Scranton against Amherst is insane. Maybe look at ALL the teams being voted on and come to a determination. While your at it, drop the infatuation and insane focus on Amherst. There are a lot of basketball teams out there other than the Mammoths and Scranton that deserve the ridiculous amounts of focus you all seem to have.
- BTW if you all hadn't noticed, Scranton has two losses this season. While not bad, in women's basketball two losses at this point is tougher to vote for than on the men's side. There are six other teams with two losses that are in the poll and each has more wins than Scranton (one has a single more win, the rest are 2 or more). There is just one team, UT-Dallas, that has more losses than Scranton and I would definitely argue maybe the Comets shouldn't be in the poll ... that said, when looking at the resumes, UT-Dallas has a conference full of Top 25 type programs and their schedule has been more difficult than Scranton's. Not sure it warrants being ranked, but I can see the argument for voters to keep them ahead of the Royals.

As I said, look at the entire picture and ask these questions ... not just one team. Should Scranton be ranked? Maybe. Is this easy to do especially without the color of one's team tinting the lenses? Absolutely not. Could things change quickly week to week? You betcha.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 07, 2022, 04:50:42 PM
Scranton women may be short staffed this weekend, Emma get her feet wet against Juniata?


Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 07, 2022, 06:08:37 PM

No one here said Amherst should be penalized because they couldn't play.
However, how some arrived at the conclusion they should be rewarded by not playing is illogical.
That's it, nothing more.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on January 11, 2022, 04:50:26 PM
So 66 shots at the basket 32 came from 3 pt line.Not sure his game style but this chucking it up 25 feet away from the basket will not get it done against better teams.Why hasn't he used his height (inside game)?Ryan 20 minutes one shot.I never seen a run and gun team win a Title.He has the PG he has a player they can to do everything hopefully with Emma he starts getting the inside game going!Mix all that together with a tough defense like the last coach always taught its a championship team!My opinion only !!!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on January 12, 2022, 09:52:38 PM
Ladies are getting lucky with these wins and how poorly they shoot!Like my last post why are they putting up many 3s.Drive the ball coach don't have a 6-2 shooting up 26fts 18-62-29%,3pt fg 4-20-20% and FT-11-22 for 50% come on coach get the ball inside!!!!Terrible having everyone put up 3s.Maybe Saratoga,Ronk or Nepafan can elaborate more since they see them live?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 12, 2022, 11:56:48 PM
 There were a lot of air balls on 3-pt attempts in the 1st half and they don't have to take it all the way to the hoop with the out-of-control wild shots and/or offensive fouls. Take a cue from Abby: there is value and a better reward on a 10-foot pullup jumper plus being in position for an offensive rebound if u miss.
  Emily overcame some early passing problems with a couple of strong drives and defensive board work in the 2nd half.
  Susque's best player(Olivia Brandt) missed most of the 1st half with foul trouble so the Lady Royals caught a break there. Susque had defeated Stevens earlier in the season before Stevens defeated the Lady Royals.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 13, 2022, 06:30:48 AM

The Lady Royals took the phrase ugly basketball to a new level last evening.
I've never seen a team regress in their ability to shoot like this one...and this isn't about defenses playing them tough, they are finding all sorts of ways to miss layups, free throws & wide open 3's.
I would really hate to think where this team would be if Abby didn't fall into his lap.
The Lady Royal brain-trust would be wise to bring up the "Shot Doctor" (Herbie McGee) from Philly to work with these kids before they regress even further.
I've always said I'll take an ugly win over a pretty loss but that doesn't refer to each & every game.
Mix in a few good ones as well.
My concern for the long term direction of this team is at Code Red.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 13, 2022, 08:42:46 AM
Can we take a deep breath? How deep was the bench tonight? If they have this game at full strength I would be concerned.

Keep on Truckin Ladies.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 13, 2022, 11:25:16 AM
 The team did unveil a new tactic last night - the half court zone press, which goes with what Coach DiPillo said initially on the job - that he was going to play uptempo. Tactic shows promise but will need refining for personnel. It takes a mindset to be aggressive and anticipatory after the initial double team on the ballhandler.
  Two additional players made the trip but dressed in warmups; may indicate they'll be available to play on Saturday.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on January 13, 2022, 11:34:59 PM
Had to go back to Dave's Statement about this top 25 so went back to week 1 until this last top 25 !Springfield 13-0 nice record beat two teams over 500 over not at 500 so the rest of those opponents 11 at or below 500. record wise.Bowdoin 11-3 started 13 th in the poll at 280 pts today with 3 losses they are at 198 -92pts,Eau Claire 11-4 started the year not in the top 25 but receiving votes 18pts! today with 4 losses to 8-6 Bethany Lutheran,9-5 Calvin,14-1whitewater away and a 8-7 Stout are plus 316 pts.Texas Dallas started 15th 6-3,254 pts lost 63pts so they are at +191.The great one Scranton and Messiah,Messiah 11-2 started 5th at 429 pts in the top 25. Today they are receiving  45pts a difference
of -384.Then my beloved Scranton Lady Royals yes women rule,they started 12th in the top 25 beat #9 Desales and #25Catholic at the time and started at 286pts they lost to Ithaca which was receiving pts at that time of 16pts after that loss we dropped  to 21st then we beat Catholic at Catholic and lost to Steven's 10-2 team!Well anyway something just doesn't jive this team has been winning every game since before Christmas while other have lost 1 or 2 games in that same time frame .But come on top 25 voters seriously do your homework even though they are winning they are losing votes they have dropped a total of- 273 pts and teams with 3 or 4 losses maybe 20 pts.My question is do you have 25 voters for women?Also I would love to know the way someone as a voter votes?Dave don't take it personal im new and just trying to figure out how voters vote.Thanks for any info.Also great Site.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 14, 2022, 08:39:45 AM
I have seen some folks do explanations for the way they vote on the men's side, not sure that I have seen it on the women's side. Good thing the game is on Saturday, Sunday looks like an ugly travel day in the Middle Atlantic region.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 14, 2022, 03:55:10 PM
Monday's game with Salisbury is rescheduled for Tuesday because of impending storm.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on January 14, 2022, 09:04:54 PM
So Bates loses to Susquehanna but beats Bowdoin and then Amhesrt Today.Then Scranton beats Susquehanna at Susquehanna without some star players wacky.This is why D3 basketball is so much Fun.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 14, 2022, 09:12:55 PM

We don't think Amherst was at full strength.  They also could not buy a bucket.  104 total rebounds in that game.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on January 14, 2022, 09:14:40 PM
Scranton is the same way.A loss is a loss.They haven't had Bridget and the d1 transfer since the beginning of play this year
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on January 14, 2022, 09:27:30 PM
Ryan Don't understand (WE )don't think Amherst was at full strenght ?Box Score has the same seven players That they had in all other games -Patel-Zaffiro-Resch-Verq-Valdez and two subs In Duval and Pelosi same team as all year not sure what you mean full strength?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 15, 2022, 08:54:40 AM
You're right. It doesn't look like they were missing anyone who plays. I was told they were shorthanded. Not sure who's been sick, maybe? They're definitely not the team they've been in recent years, regardless.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on January 15, 2022, 08:20:43 PM
What happened to some of the players for the  Lady Royals?Last time they played was December 22,2021!Hope all is well??
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 15, 2022, 09:13:42 PM

Don't they have 6 or 7 kids out with Covid related symptoms?
From what I was told, Monaghan, Quigley, McCurdy, Lynch, Nolan, Farney & the DI transfer, Duerr have all been out sick.
Some are just coming around & good enough to travel but not play while some others are still fairly sick.
All the other kids are dressing & playing.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 15, 2022, 10:20:32 PM
 I'm remembering 13 made the trip to Susque on Wed(maybe 2 in warmups) and I counted 16 today with 3 in warmups and 13 dressed to play. Hopefully, they'll all be back for Tues/Wed. It's fortunate that the roster had expanded to 18 for this semester, up from 17 last semester and from the usual max of 16 in previous seasons.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on January 15, 2022, 11:56:44 PM
Thank you for the info!One other question can you go back and watch games that have been played like two weeks ago or No?Trying to watch Christopher Newport game tonight and a couple others two weeks ago!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 16, 2022, 01:05:10 AM
 Don't know if the schools archive their videos; many do, like the Landmark schools, for on-demand viewing. CNU, really UMW, the home team today, had  a tech problem today with the videostream that wasn't corrected until sometime in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 17, 2022, 06:42:52 PM
 Interesting test for the Lady Royals tomorrow when they host Salisbury 12-2 on the season, having lost to only Catholic and Messiah. Salisbury will be hosting current #2 CNU on Saturday, prompting comparisons between Scranton and CNU in view of the outcomes of these games. Salisbury is coached by former Lady Royal Kelly Lewandowski Baskow, now in her 11th season. Kelly was an important factor in successive Final Four appearances in 2005 and 6. I frequently encountered Kelly at 5-year reunions(we're on the same cycle) and AAU tourneys evaluating prospects.
This could be the only serious test for the Lady Royals til the final 4 games of the regular season. Hopefully, all will be back tomorrow and able to play.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 17, 2022, 06:50:30 PM
If you ever have a hard time finding a video. This happens a lot in hcac game disappears right after.  Go to the team page. Look up there news page most schools will have a preview of the game and in that the video link.  I couldn't find the Hanover vs rose game till I did that
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on January 18, 2022, 11:56:45 PM
Ty Jester that helped!!!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on January 19, 2022, 01:56:16 AM
First and foremost what a blessing to have had Abby Anderson fall into your lap.Wish a couple more would fall like her.She is an all around player.Saratoga you nailed it by saying coach got lucky having her fall into the program.Also I think you can't hold Ryan out any longer-Great rebounder,passer and scorer (She really compliments Abby well and team)It was nice to see the team finally hit 40 % from the field!So great win against another Top 40 team tonight keep it up Lady Royals
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 19, 2022, 12:23:11 PM
 Abby didn't quite "fall into coach's lap". I was a strong advocate to the previous coaching staff 6 years ago for Abby's all-around play relative to other prospects before she eventually chose St. Francis(NY). Plus, she had a sibling attending Scranton at that time. So, we could say that she was predisposed to choosing Scranton for the graduate part of her education.
  Abby is the only player whose pregame warmup layup drills come with a 90' dribbling effort(rebound at defensive end to layup at the other end).  :)
  Pleasantly surprised that Bridget was so effective yesterday after not playing for 3 weeks.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 21, 2022, 09:45:04 AM

If the Lady Royal braintrust is interested in getting Emma into the offensive flow, then for heavens sake, get her down on the blocks where she has a decided height advantage and let her get her legs back & gain some confidence.
Having her at the top of the key just setting screens is a waste of talent.
Also, time for Maddy R. to get the start.
She crashes the boards, has probably 75% of their total offensive rebounds, plays tight D, & makes her free throws.
In the recent games I've seen E-town, they are making a very concerted effort to score down low early then have the kick out to Christ & their freshman for looks at the 3 or drives to the basket.
The Lady Royals can not afford to disappear into their patented 5 minute disappearing acts against Etown.
The Lady Jays are physical & will bang from start to finish...be ready.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 21, 2022, 02:38:04 PM
 This is the game-of-the-day in an otherwise lame Landmark 8-game schedule tomorrow. The E-town coach is one of the better ones in the region and Veronica Christ one of the quality players. Each possession is important when playing them; no room for careless traveling when initiating a dribble or unset picks/fouls. Hopefully, we'll see improvement in these areas.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 21, 2022, 03:21:03 PM
How did Christ not go to Catholic?


(I'm sorry)  ;D
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on January 21, 2022, 03:25:03 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 21, 2022, 03:21:03 PM
How did Christ not go to Catholic?


(I'm sorry)  ;D

Or Moravian... It's in Bethlehem.  :D
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 21, 2022, 04:12:26 PM

Probably because (Christ) was Jewish & wasn't up for taking any mandatory theology courses since he wrote the book.  ;)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on January 22, 2022, 06:11:43 PM
Great comeback win Lady Royals!!!!!Keep up the great team work!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on January 22, 2022, 06:15:53 PM
What a nice player Etown has in Veronica( Christ) also the 6ft 2 kid !!!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on January 22, 2022, 06:31:33 PM
Glad the Lady Royals could come back and win for Harry's last game in the booth!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 22, 2022, 06:58:15 PM
I heard that any idea why?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on January 22, 2022, 07:44:11 PM
Is he retiring?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 22, 2022, 08:09:27 PM
 He didn't say why specifically but he might be back Wed for the women's game w Drew if he doesn't go to NJ to watch the men.
  I've always enjoyed listening to Harry; he gives good insight into what's happening and what should be happening in addition to the old school basketball trivia and the humorous situations that happen occasionally.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 22, 2022, 08:34:30 PM
 Up til today, I had Scranton and Catholic battling for the top 2 positions in the Landmark and Susque, Drew, and Etown for the remaining 2 spots in the postseason tourney. I'll adjust that by moving Etown up now to compete for the top 3 spots.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 22, 2022, 09:03:06 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 22, 2022, 08:09:27 PM
He didn't say why specifically but he might be back Wed for the women's game w Drew if he doesn't go to NJ to watch the men.
  I've always enjoyed listening to Harry; he gives good insight into what's happening and what should be happening in addition to the old school basketball trivia and the humorous situations that happen occasionally.


Be curious if Dean flies solo or the administration brings in someone else.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 22, 2022, 09:33:35 PM

I'm pretty sure Harry has one daughter that is a freshman track star at Georgetown & his youngest daughter is playing high school basketball.
I'm sure he wants to spend time seeing them play & traveling now that he's retired.
He did make a great point at the end while McCurdy was on the floor in that she should be subbed out as she hasn't shot a free throw in 2 months & if E-town scored, she'd be their target.
For my money, Summer McNulty is hands down ROY. She is one very well coached young woman.
Great comeback by the Lady Royals.
Watched the end of Moravian/Catholic & Moravian had a 6' shot by their best player miss at the buzzer.
Once it went to OT, it was pretty much all Catholic.
Scranton, Catholic, or E-town will end up winning & Drew will be the 4th. team in.
Juniata & Goucher have virtually no chance & Moravian & Susquehanna, slim to none.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 22, 2022, 11:53:00 PM
1st run at prospective regional rankings for region 5(the old Mid-Atlantic minus CNU,Salisbury,UMW among others) after 1/22 contests; in-region competition includes your region(5, in this case), or within 500 miles, or admin region(#2, New York and PA), or conference; by those, I'll amend my original data to exclude Messiah's victory over Depauw and York's loss to Loras :

1. Messiah 13-2
2. Scranton  15-2
3. Catholic 13-1
4. Gettysburg 12-2
5. Johns Hopkins  13-2
6. York(PA)  14-2
7. Elizabethtown  12-3
8. Drew  12-2
9. Washington(MD)  11-4
    Haverford  12-5
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 23, 2022, 07:53:40 AM

Not sure how the committee can give Messiah the top spot with 2 Regional losses while Scranton has zero.
I guess they can but in the past Regional rankings were pretty much based upon how you were doing "regionally".
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 23, 2022, 08:52:21 AM

Speaking of Rankings...
I see that Amherst lost at home to a 7-7 Hamilton squad.
I guess that may require some voters to drop Amherst one or two spots.  :'(
Most other teams would probably drop at least 10 spots so let's see what happens.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 23, 2022, 09:58:36 AM
Quote from: saratoga on January 23, 2022, 07:53:40 AM

Not sure how the committee can give Messiah the top spot with 2 Regional losses while Scranton has zero.
I guess they can but in the past Regional rankings were pretty much based upon how you were doing "regionally".

"Regional losses" is not among the criteria considered. The first ranking is going to be alphabetical anyway, so Messiah is guaranteed to be ahead of Scranton.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 23, 2022, 10:25:59 AM
Quote from: saratoga on January 23, 2022, 07:53:40 AM

Not sure how the committee can give Messiah the top spot with 2 Regional losses while Scranton has zero.
I guess they can but in the past Regional rankings were pretty much based upon how you were doing "regionally".

In-region includes teams within 500 miles, so Scranton's 2 losses are in-region by that inclusion. It would exclude Messiah's victory over Depauw, so I'll amend that. Messiah had a higher Massey relative national SOS ranking than Scranton(#111 v. #175), so those were the 2 reasons that I had Messiah ahead of Scranton.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 23, 2022, 11:27:36 AM
Quote from: ronk on January 23, 2022, 10:25:59 AM
Quote from: saratoga on January 23, 2022, 07:53:40 AM

Not sure how the committee can give Messiah the top spot with 2 Regional losses while Scranton has zero.
I guess they can but in the past Regional rankings were pretty much based upon how you were doing "regionally".

In-region includes teams within 500 miles, so Scranton's 2 losses are in-region by that inclusion. It would exclude Messiah's victory over Depauw, so I'll amend that. Messiah had a higher Massey relative national SOS ranking than Scranton(#111 v. #175), so those were the 2 reasons that I had Messiah ahead of Scranton.

In region now includes every d3 team they play, so long as 70% of their schedule is geographically in-region. The records listed are the regional records for both teams. That's what will be considered.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 23, 2022, 11:40:32 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 23, 2022, 11:27:36 AM
Quote from: ronk on January 23, 2022, 10:25:59 AM
Quote from: saratoga on January 23, 2022, 07:53:40 AM

Not sure how the committee can give Messiah the top spot with 2 Regional losses while Scranton has zero.
I guess they can but in the past Regional rankings were pretty much based upon how you were doing "regionally".

In-region includes teams within 500 miles, so Scranton's 2 losses are in-region by that inclusion. It would exclude Messiah's victory over Depauw, so I'll amend that. Messiah had a higher Massey relative national SOS ranking than Scranton(#111 v. #175), so those were the 2 reasons that I had Messiah ahead of Scranton.

In region now includes every d3 team they play, so long as 70% of their schedule is geographically in-region. The records listed are the regional records for both teams. That's what will be considered.

I've seen that somewhere in the past but it's not in the prechampionship manual for in region definition. Also, there's mention that only the original submitted schedule is eligible to be considered for tournament selection purposes; doesn't seem to count rescheduled opponents for covid reasons, etc. Might be important for Dave McHugh to address this with his committee chairman interviews.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 23, 2022, 11:50:30 AM
Quote from: ronk on January 23, 2022, 11:40:32 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 23, 2022, 11:27:36 AM
Quote from: ronk on January 23, 2022, 10:25:59 AM
Quote from: saratoga on January 23, 2022, 07:53:40 AM

Not sure how the committee can give Messiah the top spot with 2 Regional losses while Scranton has zero.
I guess they can but in the past Regional rankings were pretty much based upon how you were doing "regionally".

In-region includes teams within 500 miles, so Scranton's 2 losses are in-region by that inclusion. It would exclude Messiah's victory over Depauw, so I'll amend that. Messiah had a higher Massey relative national SOS ranking than Scranton(#111 v. #175), so those were the 2 reasons that I had Messiah ahead of Scranton.

In region now includes every d3 team they play, so long as 70% of their schedule is geographically in-region. The records listed are the regional records for both teams. That's what will be considered.

I've seen that somewhere in the past but it's not in the prechampionship manual for in region definition. Also, there's mention that only the original submitted schedule is eligible to be considered for tournament selection purposes; doesn't seem to count rescheduled opponents for covid reasons, etc. Might be important for Dave McHugh to address this with his committee chairman interviews.


It was changed a number of years ago and covered pretty extensively at the time.  We don't have a new Manual for this year yet in WBB, but it's in the old one as well.

Section 2.2 has a heading called "Scheduling Requirements" which outlines the 70% minimum for consideration.  Then if you look at the primary criteria in Section 2.3 it says "Win Loss percentage against Division III opponents."  That used to say "against in-region competition."  That's where the changed occurred.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 23, 2022, 12:18:55 PM
 So, does that mean that in-region competition is the regional ranking consideration but, when then doing the national selection(pools C and B) the consideration expands to any eligible D3 opponents? Otherwise, why have the explicit definition of in-region?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 23, 2022, 01:21:40 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 23, 2022, 12:18:55 PM
So, does that mean that in-region competition is the regional ranking consideration but, when then doing the national selection(pools C and B) the consideration expands to any eligible D3 opponents? Otherwise, why have the explicit definition of in-region?

All d3 competition is considered for both.  It's the same ranking, the regional committee are just advisory to the national committee, which has final say on both regional rankings and national selection, using the same criteria.

You still have to play 70% of your games in region, which is why the definition still exists.  This prevents a school with money flying around the country to juice its resume.  You have to play the majority of your games relatively close to home.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 23, 2022, 01:36:21 PM

Ok, then the biggest takeaway is that the Regional selection is no longer based upon simply "in-region" competition as it used to be.
Therefore, if the Regional Committee is just "advisory', potentially the top team in a specific region may not be looked at as favorably by the National Committee & rather than hosting a first round weekend, may be sent packing.
Is that accurate?
Thanks
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 23, 2022, 01:44:00 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 23, 2022, 01:36:21 PM

Ok, then the biggest takeaway is that the Regional selection is no longer based upon simply "in-region" competition as it used to be.
Therefore, if the Regional Committee is just "advisory', potentially the top team in a specific region may not be looked at as favorably by the National Committee & rather than hosting a first round weekend, may be sent packing.
Is that accurate?
Thanks

The regional rankings we see are after the national committee has adjusted and approved them.  They're really just ensuring the criteria is applied in the same way across the country, and the head of every RAC is a national committee member, who represents the thought process of the RAC to the national committee.

As for hosting, the women's committee has tended to try and keep hosting duties relatively equal to each region more than the men's committee in recent years.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 23, 2022, 02:00:44 PM

Sounds good.
Thanks Ryan.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 26, 2022, 08:23:27 AM
Coach begging kids to show up tonight...

https://twitter.com/ScrantonWBB/status/1486314376701394944?s=20



Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 26, 2022, 09:08:42 PM

Another fairly lackluster win for the Lady Royals.
Spurts of offense.
Spurts of defense.
The same silly mistakes/turnovers.
Still no complete game.
Hopefully, one day soon.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 26, 2022, 10:25:26 PM
 Amazed that with 10 secs on the game clock and 8 on the shot clock at the end of the 3rd quarter a senior took a shot; the standard is shoot with enough time to rebound a missed shot but not enough for the other team to get off a shot at the other end. Cost the Lady Royals 2 points which could have been meaningful. Coach Lewis was seen talking to the offender at the quarter break, presumably reinforcing this strategy.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on January 27, 2022, 06:41:01 PM
I guess winning is not enough?back in my days we didnt have it easy every game!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 27, 2022, 06:59:05 PM
 There's a considerable difference if one's poor play is self-inflicted. we're not talking winning or losing, but how u play the game.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 27, 2022, 07:32:04 PM

Royals 85;
'I guess winning is not enough"?
You should probably re-read your posts from Jan. 11th. & 12th.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on January 27, 2022, 09:47:02 PM
Yes I know what I said but God your constantly harping hopefully you were not cheering for my team back then!What would you like Saratoga  to win every game by 100.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on January 27, 2022, 09:51:31 PM
Ronk or Saratoga I don't know neither one of you but did you guys go out for the coaching job when it was available.See I coach here in my city it takes alot and I wouldn't want my kids (players reading this )and yes I was wrong  but you learn.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on January 27, 2022, 10:12:08 PM
Great part ever since I made the statement about poorly shooting they have risen to the occasion nicely Jan 12th @Susquehanna Fg% 29,Jan 15th 37.9%,Jan 18th home Salisbury41.4%,Jan 19th @ Moravian 43.1%,Jan 22 hame Etown 43.6 and Jan 26th 42.1% So they are doing a great job putting the ball in the basket!Keep it up Ladies!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on January 27, 2022, 10:17:51 PM
Also before I get back to work-They are playing great defense also not sure but they should be in the top 40 in defense.Have a good night all!!!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 28, 2022, 06:41:06 AM

Your charade is both comical & entertaining.
I believe the comments by Ronk & I have been more on development & execution as opposed to points scored.
But hey, you keep rocking "lady'.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 28, 2022, 09:28:33 AM
thank god for scranton fans keeping this board "lively"!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 30, 2022, 02:24:44 PM
 Never had any success getting a game with Amherst for the lady Royals, but Amherst has traveled today to little Dallas,PA to take on Miseri.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 30, 2022, 03:53:44 PM

Mike Strong was able to bring GP down to Scranton his last year at St. Lawrence.
Then the Royals played his Hamilton team in the first round of the NCAA tournament the following year.
GP was able to turn around a 10 win Hamilton team into a tournament team in his only year there.
Then he was all set to go to Drew & that summer the Amherst job opened up & the rest is history.
The Drew folks are still probably wondering, what if.  ;)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on January 30, 2022, 07:13:24 PM
Look for a lot of shakeup in the women's poll this week (particularly in the bottom half) with the teams ranked in the following positions losing:

1, 7, 12 (twice), 15 (twice), 16, 19, 21, 22, 23

Is this the week that the Lady Royals return to the top 25???
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 31, 2022, 06:33:08 AM

Fingers crossed Tim.
Two teams in front of them & Smith has been playing pretty well of late too.
Should be interesting.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 01, 2022, 09:08:03 PM
Also played Gromacki at St Lawerence to go to the final four!We played Kings first game(Had a great center)Forgot her name but we had Kelly Halpin.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 01, 2022, 09:12:31 PM
I think that was his first or second year there also!Great coach he is !!Very surprised No D1 came after him or did they?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 01, 2022, 09:29:49 PM
 I imagine they did come after him but he probably prefers the Amherst environment for his family.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 02, 2022, 12:52:15 AM
Got it! The center was Joanne Polkoski I think she was a local also.Whitten had some good teams.But that game up at St Lawerence was a classic against Kings nothing bad about St Lawerence or Gromacki but that game was much easier the 2nd night.Then everyone knows the story at Danbury !!Washimgton U even though the first time played better and kept it close the 2nd time Fischer, Rodgers just to much!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 02, 2022, 01:00:54 AM
Non Basketball took me awhile to find the landmark board .What is the reason for splitting it up into regions? Did the NCAA also do it this way?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 02, 2022, 09:35:43 AM
Yes, the NCAA expanded to 10 regions form previous 8; the old Mid-Atlantic region is mostly region 5 now; old East is 3, and old Atlantic is 4.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 02, 2022, 02:20:57 PM

It's always been split by regions, we just have new ones now, with new names (numbers).  It's going to take a while for all of us to get used to it.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 03, 2022, 01:58:33 PM
Royals85-Its called fundamental basketball that Saratoga and Ronk are talking about!Just like last night missed layups,throwing inbound passes to the other team when you have the lead up 3!I get it 20 games in and not corrected is a ticket to a first round exit in playoffs or NCAA Tournament.They have to inbound and protect the lead better and finish at the end of the game.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 03, 2022, 03:03:57 PM
I hate the region titles, makes it very confusing!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 03, 2022, 05:59:44 PM
I'm with ya on that.

Titles should be useful descriptors and reference points, or at least memorable in some other way. These regional names are as useful as calling a book "Insert title here."

Maybe we should have some fun with it. The team that advances farthest gets the right to pick name for the region for the next year!

Region Boaty McBoatface (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/22/world/europe/boaty-mcboatface-what-you-get-when-you-let-the-internet-decide.html) would at least be more memorable than Region 5.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 05, 2022, 02:07:20 PM

After Wednesday's debacle vs. Moravian have the Lady Royals:

*Worked on putting in layups?
*Worked on securing rebounds before the ball hits the floor?
*Finally understand what an illegal screen is?
*Eliminate some players from inbounding the ball due to ineffective, soft entry passes?
*Find another scoring option beside the two players that have carried them all year?
*Worked on eliminating unforced turnovers?
*Add a little motion to an otherwise stagnant offense?
*Decided to focus on the game before them & not next weeks?
*Focused on playing a full 40 minutes of basketball?
Here's to wishful thinking!  ;)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 05, 2022, 02:43:03 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 05, 2022, 02:07:20 PM

After Wednesday's debacle vs. Moravian have the Lady Royals:

*Worked on putting in layups?
*Worked on securing rebounds before the ball hits the floor?
*Finally understand what an illegal screen is?
*Eliminate some players from inbounding the ball due to ineffective, soft entry passes?
*Find another scoring option beside the two players that have carried them all year?
*Worked on eliminating unforced turnovers?
*Add a little motion to an otherwise stagnant offense?
*Decided to focus on the game before them & not next weeks?
*Focused on playing a full 40 minutes of basketball?
Here's to wishful thinking!  ;)


Did they win the game?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 05, 2022, 04:07:39 PM

You know that answer.
But, if a 1 point OT victory at home vs. a very, very mediocre team at this stage in the season is the best you've got, then there's reason to be concerned.
The problem is, every team will have off games and pick up losses, it's just how it goes.
Unfortunately, when you have better talent but you keep making the same mistakes you've been making for the better part of two plus seasons, then somethings wrong.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 05, 2022, 05:20:09 PM
I will say Moravian is playing well!Catholic OT,Scranton OT and headed into the 4th leading Etown!Did they get Players back?Seems like they are playing better.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 05, 2022, 05:27:00 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 05, 2022, 04:07:39 PM

You know that answer.
But, if a 1 point OT victory at home vs. a very, very mediocre team at this stage in the season is the best you've got, then there's reason to be concerned.
The problem is, every team will have off games and pick up losses, it's just how it goes.
Unfortunately, when you have better talent but you keep making the same mistakes you've been making for the better part of two plus seasons, then somethings wrong.


Hahaha. At least when the women have a clunker they win, unlike the men.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 05, 2022, 05:55:18 PM

Thank heavens for clunkers every now & then...especially if you can work on & be successful in many of the areas that could use improvement.  ;)
Drew will give them a serious dogfight Wednesday after losing at home to Catholic this afternoon...as they are in a battle for 4Th. place.
E-town blows past Moravian in the 4th. quarter & right now, Summer McNulty might not only be the ROY... if E-town goes on to win the automatic berth, the way she's playing she may end up POY as well.
I think the Landmark will get 2 teams in the NCAA's this year...the automatic & the runnerup.
First Regional Rankings come out Wednesday afternoon.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 09, 2022, 06:21:43 PM

To avoid league upset #1 this week, the Lady Royals better:
*Force Erin Frederick to her right every time she gets in the paint.
*Disrupt Drew's 1/2 court offense.
*Do not lose Joey Meyers on the perimeter.
*Box out, they hit the boards well.
*Find a third scorer to give some relief to Bridget & Abby.
*Cut down on turnovers/same mistakes
*Get to the line.

All the best ladies.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 09, 2022, 08:53:56 PM
Wow Anderson took over she was 2-15  with 5 pts or something and had a bad night shooting but came on when needed! She ended up with 15 in like 7 minutes!Great win Ladies!!!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 09, 2022, 10:09:57 PM
Well Saratoga they did the bottom 3!Great Call by the way!(Rebounds Scranton 44-Drew 36 ,Scranton had 14 to Drew's 7 Oreb also.The Turnovers Scranton -15,Drew-16. Freethrows Scranton 17-21,Drew 16-24)!From the floor Scranton shot 35.9 %-Drew 40%,3 point line was ugly Scranton 8-29 for 27.6%,Drew 3-17 for 17.6%.The Ladies I think outscored The Rangers 14-2  in the final 1.43 of regulation and 5 minute over time!So hats off to the Ladies enjoy that ride home!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 09, 2022, 10:50:56 PM
Watching the game as I speak.Man does Emma Duerr seal of her player well they need to get that ball into her more!!!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 09, 2022, 11:10:11 PM
Saratoga you nailed this game-The part to make Fredrick go to her right -point on.Reminds me of the days we use to yell to Coach Strong take her left away(Wozniak)Kings.After 3 seasons he finally listened.Great job-Now go and give Danzing some knowledge!!!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 12, 2022, 11:05:36 AM
The Lady Royals will need to bring their A game today against a tough E-Town squad.

If I'm reading the tiebreaker scenarios correctly, a win today for Scranton will clinch the top seed in the conference tournament.  In that case, the best that E-Town and Catholic could then do is tie Scranton in the standings, and Scranton would be 2-0 vs. E-town (winning the head-to-head) and Catholic's split with E-Town would tip the scales in favor of Scranton.

So let's take care of business today, Lady Royals!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 12, 2022, 01:36:13 PM

Tim:
Agree...all the Lady Royals need to do is win this game & they'll be in great shape heading into the conference tournament.
Well, on paper anyway.
Unfortunately, my sense is that this game may get away from them & make things very interesting down the stretch.
Christ is a big game player, you won't stop her but hopefully, she won't go crazy either.
McNulty can drop 15 in the first half alone plus they have a nice supporting cast that is playing well together and they are tall and strong.
Put that together with being home, wanting to concede nothing to the Lady Royals & wanting some respect from both Top 25 voters & Regionally, and I think I'm seeing a 70-62 win by E-town.
Scranton's offense is too predictable & without other kids helping out, establishing an inside presence, & continuing to miss chip shots, it could end up a disappointing afternoon.
Hope I'm wrong, but the Lady Royals have been living in the danger zone recently & this team today is simply too good to give second & third chances to.
Should be a battle & if the Lady Royals can come out with a win down there then they will have probably played an outstanding game.
Here's to hoping!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 12, 2022, 01:59:01 PM

Tim:
Looking at the remaining games, Catholic & E-town didn't split their series (at least, not yet) as they play at E-town on Wednesday.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 12, 2022, 04:37:09 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 12, 2022, 01:59:01 PM

Tim:
Looking at the remaining games, Catholic & E-town didn't split their series (at least, not yet) as they play at E-town on Wednesday.

Right. They lost to Etown in the first game. But if Scranton wins today, the only way Catholic can tie them in yhe standings is splitting the series with Etown (and Scranton, for that matter) by winning their games next week.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 12, 2022, 05:51:53 PM

Love being wrong on this game!  ;)
If the Lady Royals could come out on fire from the start like they did today, it would certainly make their lives easier.
I have never publicly complained about officiating in a long, long time but whoever is the assigner for these games needs to take these 3 off of any additional games of consequence.
Absolutely terrible.
Fantastic win on the road in a real gut check game.
If you learn anything from todays game it should be...get the rebound yourself & don't leave it up to the ref to determine who touched it last.
Well done, enjoy the ride home.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 12, 2022, 08:48:46 PM
This is the type of game the one who assigns officials to the games need to watch.Scranton big fat zero free throws to Etowns 18 not one free throw in the first half!Second half not so good!This game reminded me up in Rochester when thry shot 33 free throws to Scrantons 1(Shawn Gallagher).So my question is how can you have this type of game does one team play with hands and the other not?Well they won Hoping Angellini is okay thoughts and prayers with you young lady.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 12, 2022, 09:34:45 PM
What happened to Angelini?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 12, 2022, 09:42:54 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 12, 2022, 09:34:45 PM
What happened to Angelini?

It looked like she came down pretty hard on her right knee going after a loose ball with a minute left in the game.  She hobbled off the court and couldn't put much pressure on it, but she was able to get off the court without assistance. 
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 12, 2022, 09:46:32 PM
 Hannah started the game with a soft brace on her leg; didn't remember her wearing it Wednesday @ Drew; maybe she tweaked it @ practice since then. Anyhow, in the final minute in a scramble for a loose ball, she(re)injured it. Couldn't put any weight on it going to the treatment room or coming out afterwards. Couldn't believe that there weren't crutches or a wheelchair to move her to the team bus.
  I consider Hannah the most valuable on the team after Abby and Bridget, since her skill set hasn't been replaced by anyone on the bench up to this point. This is a considerable loss; hopefully, temporary. 
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 13, 2022, 10:36:25 AM

You would think crutches & a wheelchair would be standard operating necessities for any college sponsoring athletic competition.
I watched the play Hannah was injured on multiple times & it just looks like she got tangled up and landed in a way that might have hyper-extended her knee.
A tough loss indeed as she was gaining more & more confidence in her shot.
Hope the magic of Scranton's PT department get's her up & ready for the Catholic game next Sat. & beyond.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 14, 2022, 08:09:15 PM
2nd regional rankings come out this wednesday?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 14, 2022, 11:50:37 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 14, 2022, 08:09:15 PM
2nd regional rankings come out this wednesday?

Yes, and on Thursday the NCAA reveals the top 16 teams in both women and men.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 15, 2022, 06:13:09 PM

Ok...just throwing this out there.
Should there be no upsets in the Landmark playoffs...beside the automatic qualifier, could this be the year the league gets 2 at-large teams?
If the Lady Royals win out against either Catholic or E-town, I could see both those schools getting a bid.
Looks like both those schools will square up again after this Wednesday evening in a first round playoff matchup.
That's getting to know one another.
However, let's take care of business with Susquehanna first.  ;)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 15, 2022, 06:29:01 PM
 Or 3 Pool C bids if Drew wins the AQ.

Wonder what the staff will do tomorrow re the Hannah situation:
start Maddie H with more playing time for Carly/Jenna/Leah/the frosh and Bridget doing the ballhandling;
or try Allie as the starter/ballhandler with no other significant change?

Got to prep for the near time future!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 15, 2022, 06:57:52 PM

If there is an upset & Drew wins the the AQ, then I think only Scranton & 1 of the others get in...or have an argument.
Three pool C's plus an upset AQ may be too much to ask the folks in Indianapolis.
As for your options posed for tomorrow...even if Hanna is deemed medically cleared...I'd sit her.
Go with your Option A.
Start MH & don't be afraid to play Leah & Morgan if you're looking for points or AL if you need some ball control.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 15, 2022, 09:49:31 PM
Just looking at all time honorees for team of the week!Im surprised in my eyes the greatest player to wear the UofS uniform for women was never on that list (player of the week)Taryn Mellody?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 16, 2022, 06:47:28 AM

Ok...the actual "real" first Regional rankings will be out later today.
Here's my guess as to how things may shake out.
For what it's worth:

1.Univ. of Scranton-21-2 (why not)
2.Messiah-20-2
3.Gettysburg-20-3
4.Catholic-19-2
5.Johns Hopkins-19-3
6.E-town-18-4
7.York-17-5
8.Drew-15-6
9.Clarks Summit-19-4

I chose Clarks Summit over Widener just because this team is no push over even though their conference is less than challenging.
They have some kids that can play with anyone.
Hope they get noticed.



Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 16, 2022, 09:36:02 AM
 And, including Clarks Summit raises Scranton's vrro by 1 win, important for hosting considerations.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 16, 2022, 08:45:02 PM

Congrats to the Lady Royals as the number 1 ranked team in this region & for clinching the # 1 seed yet again for the upcoming playoffs.
Keep it rolling!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 16, 2022, 08:52:07 PM
I second that thought!Congrats to Lady Royals and Coaching staff also!The job is not done.Big game coming up Saturday with Catholic at home always a battle so keep it going Ladies
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 16, 2022, 09:11:50 PM
 That was the best the offense has looked in a long while; the ball isn't going around the perimeter all the time anymore; cutters are getting the ball in multiple spots after rubbing off a screen. Looks good!

1st opponent in playoffs is Drew or Moravian; looks like they'll end in a tie with no normal tiebreaker to settle it.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 16, 2022, 09:20:22 PM

Make Drew & Moravian play 1 more time next Tuesday evening.  ;)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 16, 2022, 09:25:46 PM
 Danielle got some mins tonite after missing 2 games for a nondisclosed reason.
Hannah in sweats, seemed to move all right while watching the team in pregame warmup; told Dean knee had been bothering her for a while; hopes to be able to play Saturday.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 16, 2022, 09:46:37 PM

I think they've got the 3 point range down pretty good.
Let's do about 30 minutes of layup drills at full speed tomorrow.
Start at the baseline, sprint full speed to the basket, catch a pass at mid-court, dribble in for a layup with 1 person just standing under the basket...go left or right, your choice...just lay it in.
Next...
Next...
Repeat
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 16, 2022, 09:51:52 PM
Great call on the Ladies being #1Regional Ranked Saratoga!I personally thought they would be second behind Messiah not only d3hoops has them ahead in the polls but Massey ratings by 8,9 spots!But like you always told me the only rankings that count are the Regional Ranking -again Saratoga nailed it!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 17, 2022, 07:02:29 PM

Scranton WBB DiPillo to be interviewed on Hoopsville tonite ~ 9:20 PM.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 18, 2022, 11:01:23 AM
The countdown is on! Ten more days until the regular season comes to a close and we find out who will be playing for the Walnut and Bronze!

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Thursday on Hoopsville, there is plenty to keep track of throughout Division III.

Hoopsville starts immediately following the NCAA Division III National Committee's announcement of the Top 16 "seeds" in both men's and women's rankings aired. We chatted with both national committee chairs, Michael Schauer of Wheaton (Ill.) and Megan Wilson of Luther, about the release, how they came to the decisions, and what they hope to inspire with the announcements. Plus more.

Then we talk to coaches around the country about their programs and how they are positioning themselves for conference tournaments.

Guests include:
We had scheduled to talk to Christine VanHook from PSU-Behrend women's basketball, but there was a last minute scheduling conflict. We hope to catch up with Coach VanHook in the next week.

Watch the show here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/feb17

Podcast here: https://soundcloud.com/hoopsville/1922-10-more-days?utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 18, 2022, 01:46:40 PM
Good work on the studio Dave  looks good.

Can't help but think you were talking about a few posters during that interview.  :o
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 19, 2022, 08:39:25 PM

So, who is the LC 4th. place team...Drew or Moravian?
On paper, I think Moravian is the better matchup even though they took the Lady Royals to OT.
Drew has a very good inside/out game that could put it all together & cause problems & they also took Scranton to OT.
Regardless of where they land by the time they review the tie-breaker charts, Scranton will have a +10 on the early Vegas line.
Although E-town defeated Catholic twice & as recently as last week...never underestimate the changes & adjustments by Coach Donahue.
Should be another great battle at E-town.
Congrats to the Scranton women, coaches, & staff for another fantastic regular season.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 19, 2022, 08:54:03 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 19, 2022, 08:39:25 PM

So, who is the LC 4th. place team...Drew or Moravian?
On paper, I think Moravian is the better matchup even though they took the Lady Royals to OT.
Drew has a very good inside/out game that could put it all together & cause problems & they also took Scranton to OT.
Regardless of where they land by the time they review the tie-breaker charts, Scranton will have a +10 on the early Vegas line.
Although E-town defeated Catholic twice & as recently as last week...never underestimate the changes & adjustments by Coach Donahue.
Should be another great battle at E-town.
Congrats to the Scranton women, coaches, & staff for another fantastic regular season.

They have identical records against conference opponent's top to bottom.  They only have one non-conference foe in common (King's).  Drew beat King's at Drew, and Moravian lost to King's at King's.  So I think that breaks the tie in favor of Drew.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 19, 2022, 09:14:27 PM
 I just finished coming to the same conclusion; looks like Drew by the 5th tiebreaker. Drew still missing 3rd leading scorer Sekya Campbell.

Hannah looked like she was almost all the way back from that scare a week ago.

I evaluated Rachel Bussanich(Catholic forward) as borderline 5 years ago for ability but there weren't many that could best her in effort. Have to check how she got down court so quickly at the end of the 3rd quarter and was fouled after the Royals made a last second shot.

Think I'd rather play a young E-town in the finals than an experienced Catholic squad.

Salisbury pulled to within 1 with 2 mins to go in 3rd quarter but CNU got a 3 from Jess Foster and 2 great passes from her to Terwilliger to blow it back up to an 8-pt lead.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 20, 2022, 12:50:12 AM
Great win Lady Royals!I have to second what Dean had to say during the game about Illegal screens called today.So who is in the playoffs on the women's side? (Men's side we know the men are OUT)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 20, 2022, 09:48:47 AM
Wed semis: Drew @ Scranton, Catholic @ Etown
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 21, 2022, 02:13:09 PM
So does 3rd set of regional rankings come out this week?I expect Messiah to drop or no in regional rankings?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 21, 2022, 04:35:02 PM

Yes...Regional update will be out Wednesday.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 21, 2022, 06:52:55 PM
Anyone see that altercation between Michigan and Wisconsin.Them coaches are great role models to them students.Probably big suspension for Howard and 2 or 3 days for Gard!(It was nasty couldn't tell who Howard and his players were hitting behind the bench in the stand either?)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 23, 2022, 11:47:21 AM
There is a home game at the Long Center tonight right?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 23, 2022, 06:09:10 PM
Eerily quiet on the cusp of playoff action.  ;)
Does Drew finally overtake the Royals for their first victory against Scranton in their history?
Can E-town take care of business at home against Catholic on back to back Wednesday's?
Word has it that Vegas reduced the Scranton spread from 10 to 7.
E-town favored by 3 over the Cardinals.
I'm tempted to go with the Lady Royals and 7.
However, I don't see E-town taking 3 straight from Catholic so I'm going with the not really an upset...upset.
Thinking Scranton/Catholic in the title came.
That said, if it ends up Drew/E-town, that wouldn't surprise me either.
I watched number 8 seed TCNJ knock off number 1 seed Kean last evening.
Here's wishing to two great games.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 23, 2022, 06:31:27 PM
 Have they a defense for Joey Meyers? She's always shown a nose for the ball
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 23, 2022, 06:55:35 PM

Yep...need a chaser on Meyers as she'll kill you on the 3, the mid-range jumper & the drive if it's there.
Erin Frederick has to be forced to her right & the Lady Royals interior players did a nice job of that last game.
Should be a dandy.
Scranton has more individual talent & depth but if not hitting from the outside & Drew hangs around...anything can happen.
In the immortal words of Al Davis.....Just win baby.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 23, 2022, 08:13:59 PM
Zzzz where are the students?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 23, 2022, 08:29:40 PM
Even though the Ladies had an off night shooting they still won by 16.Love that 100% from ft line 1-1 lol.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 23, 2022, 08:53:05 PM

The sad reality is shooting free throws is a real strength of the Lady Royals & by not even looking inside or attempting to drive, that takes points off the board for them.
Probably why Drew stayed zone as long as they did.
Not getting to the line, getting killed on the offensive glass & missing layups will be their undoing.
Catholic played possessed tonight (sans Jason Miller) vs. E-town.
Can Coach Donahue break the Royals streak at 6 conference championships in a row?
Lack of student support is a disgrace & nothing being done to rectify it.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 23, 2022, 09:17:54 PM
Not a good opening quarter - 6 offensive rebounds allowed & 3 turnovers; at least the offensive rebounds were limited in the rest of the game.
Too many ballhandling/bad passes for this late in the season; how many passes were deflected into the Royals' bench in the 2nd half? If it can be deflected, maybe it shouldn't have been attempted in the 1st place.
Time to let the ballhandlers handle/pass the ball and the others just shoot or rebound(avoiding turnovers).
These things become more important from now on as each possession is more critical with the opposition better and better, starting Saturday with Catholic.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 23, 2022, 09:19:37 PM
So 15 minutes up the road Saturday will be two local teams playing for the CSAC Championship(Keystone vs Clark Summit 15 minutes apart)!Saratoga is this Clark Summits best season ever?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 23, 2022, 10:18:23 PM

Absolutely their best team thus far.
Not deep nor overly talented but they play hard & they play smart.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 23, 2022, 11:04:05 PM
I could understand if it was Fr,So, making the passing mistakes but it's not!I think 4 times this Sr passed the ball right into the defenders hands trying to get it into an inside player.(Agree you can't have them lazy ass passes this late in the season)!Like I said not a great night shooting but they still won is all that counts!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 24, 2022, 08:32:31 AM
327 at the long center, maybe we can double that for Saturday.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 24, 2022, 07:47:44 PM

Not that it has anything to do with the Landmark but I think Williams College just landed their new head coach whenever/if-ever Pat Manning decides to retire.
Chessie Jackson of TCNJ (Williams grad), has done a great job there & has moved her 8th. seeded team into the NJAC championship game Sat. vs. NJ City.
A serious contrast in styles but TCNJ moved the ball beautifully around to find open looks & then made them.
They have now knocked off the number 1 & 4 seeds.
Just nice to see great basketball this time of year & to see all the kids hard work paying off.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Royals85 on February 26, 2022, 01:45:48 AM
Good Luck to the Lady Royals in the championship game against Catholic tomorrow!On another note what are the chances the Lady Royals lose Ronk,Nepafan,Augie2020 and Saratoga will not complain about the loss?I say very slim
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 26, 2022, 07:48:10 AM
Lol.Whatever you say a..
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 26, 2022, 07:49:03 AM
Royals 85:
You really need to ask your questions in clear English.
To decode your apparent question of what are the chances various people will complain should the Lady Royals lose...I can only speak for myself.
If they play a smart & hard game & just come up short, no complaints.
It's very hard to defeat a team 3 straight in a season & as I've said before, Coach Donahue is a master at adjustments for that third meeting...just ask the Lady Royals from the 2014/15 season or E-town earlier this week.
On the other hand, if they continue to turn the ball over with lazy passes, ongoing illegal screens, blown layups, not getting to the line, and allowing Catholic to crash the offensive boards for multiple second & third chance shots while not getting any offensive boards of their own, then yes...that will be critiqued.
Anything else?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 26, 2022, 08:04:09 AM
I have a question Saratoga-What is the line in Vegas and who wins the game?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 26, 2022, 08:12:30 AM

Scranton +1.
I'll let you know around 6:00PM.  ;)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 26, 2022, 08:53:39 AM
I won't complain about a loss. Just lack of student section and pep band ! ;) Every other sport was snowed out this weekend so no excuses for kids not to show up!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJRoyal137 on February 26, 2022, 12:00:28 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 26, 2022, 08:53:39 AM
I won't complain about a loss. Just lack of student section and pep band ! ;) Every other sport was snowed out this weekend so no excuses for kids not to show up!
It's shameful. I wish the university would invest more in making athletics a big deal for student engagement purposes. Scranton has a top 15 D3 women's program in the country. They deserve more appreciation.   
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 26, 2022, 01:12:33 PM

Amen to that!
They really need to add a job title to the Athletic Department...Coordinator of Student Engagement.
Get creative with both students & alumni.
Have some business donate giveaways kids would like...pizza, subs (beer probably would be a bridge too far), extra dollars to their meal plan that are offered each home game.
The sky is the limit...just do something.

Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 26, 2022, 01:38:12 PM
  There's a brief essay each Sunday by 1 of the Scranton athletes wrt a theme(this year's - reflect and grow as a team member, fellow student, etc); possible theme for next year - how to engage fellow students to support the athletes or is it worth the effort? 
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Roundball999 on February 26, 2022, 01:38:30 PM
I agree, and that support pays major dividends in recruiting and in other ways.  I'm fortunate enough to have a connection with Hope College and I can tell you the engagement makes all the difference in the world; the classic "sixth man" fan support has been a major Hope advantage at home games.  Hope has led NCAA in attendance for many years consecutively.  University support of course is important, but I think it's really the individual drive and commitment of the coach that makes a huge difference and often catalyzes the broader university support.  It's not just the students either, the surrounding community can be drawn in to support the team as well.  The coach and by extension the team can engage in community service which can well be returned by support from the community.  If the coach views his/her job as mostly just recruiting and coaching, well it's not enough just to have a good record.  I don't know the Scranton program at all (other than obvious longstanding success on the court) so this is not meant in any way as a knock on the program or coach.  Just an observation/opinion that the student and broader community engagement at Hope seems to start mostly from the proactive actions of the coach, which also gains more support from the university.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 26, 2022, 02:07:29 PM
 Appreciate your comments.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 26, 2022, 02:37:13 PM

Roundball:
Scranton has never really had difficulty bringing in the fans in past years...if fact, the Long Center as recently as two years ago would be pretty full & really engaged.
However, the past two years have been tough.
No spectators last year & only a conference schedule & this year attendance has really taken a hit.
Hopefully, the students come out today.
I think our women's coach is involved with the campus community...not sure about the men's coach.
You're right though...engagement with the campus & community at large goes a long, long way.
Our former men's coach was terrific at selling his teams at every event he could.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Roundball999 on February 26, 2022, 02:54:13 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 26, 2022, 02:37:13 PM

Roundball:
Scranton has never really had difficulty bringing in the fans in past years...if fact, the Long Center as recently as two years ago would be pretty full & really engaged.
However, the past two years have been tough.
No spectators last year & only a conference schedule & this year attendance has really taken a hit.
Hopefully, the students come out today.
I think our women's coach is involved with the campus community...not sure about the men's coach.
You're right though...engagement with the campus & community at large goes a long, long way.
Our former men's coach was terrific at selling his teams at every event he could.

Yeah, Covid has been tough for programs.  I don't mean to imply it's all on the coach either.  Some of it is just circumstances, for example in Hope's case Holland MI is a small, compact town and the campus and Devos Fieldhouse are just a few easy walking blocks from the center of town and some nice shops and restaurants.  Makes it easy to take in a game as part of an afternoon or evening out.  There is also a large nearby retirement housing complex with lots of Hope connections, it's very common to see a large section of Devos sporting white hair :)

In other words, there are clearly some situations where it's much easier to get engagement than others.  A rural campus outside of town would be tougher I'm sure.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 26, 2022, 04:33:37 PM
Scranton has always had the support of the community and it looks like the stands out side the student section are decently populated.

Not sure where the students are, but Lady Royals lead 39-30 at the break.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 26, 2022, 05:43:16 PM
Great win Lady Royals!Why is Messiah playing on Sunday I thought Dave said they don't play on Sundays?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 26, 2022, 08:00:17 PM
 Lady Royals played well today, letting the ballhandlers/passers do their things, minimizing negative possibilities(bad passes, moving screens, dribbling/traveling) by others. I saw numerous occasions where loose balls(defensive rebounds, 50/50 balls) were secured, indicated an increased recognition of possession value. There were few offensive rebounds allowed and they didn't get into foul difficulty at the end of any quarter. They survived a number of physical bumps which should prep them for the coming NCAA tourney. 
  FYI Dean Corwin mentioned on the videostream after halftime that Lady Royals' fan Lenny chose to go home and watch the 2nd half from there.
  Hoopsville show tomorrow will discuss the women's AQs and Pool Cs, probably @ 5 pm. Later in the evening they should come up with a proposed bracket.
  The actual bracket is to be released Monday @ 2:30.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 26, 2022, 09:28:16 PM

Ronk:
Agreed.
The Lady Royals took care of the ball, rebounded & for the most part, kept the Cardinals off the offensive glass.
Defensive pressure was great all game & when you have your leading scorer held scoreless in the first half yet the other kids pick her up...that's a nice luxury to have.
I had my worries about the difficulty of defeating a good team three straight times but the ladies & their coaching staff came through in the clutch.
Well done & enjoy!

Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 26, 2022, 10:49:47 PM
I think besides Scranton(25-2),Catholic(20-5) and (Elizabethtown(20-5)both get in the Tournament!I'm so surprised Messiah is playing on a Sunday!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 27, 2022, 10:01:11 PM

Ok, for what it's worth, here are my picks for Scranton's Friday/Saturday pod.

Game 1 Friday at 5:00...Clarks Summit vs. Babson
Game 2 at 7:00...Morrisville St. vs. the Lady Royals
Winners play at 6:00 Saturday.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 28, 2022, 07:55:43 PM

Two of the four correct.
Still like my pod better.  ;D
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 28, 2022, 08:23:23 PM
 There was a garble with my pod - Shenandoah, S. Virginia, Washington & Jefferson went to Transylvania instead of Pennsylvania(Scranton)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 28, 2022, 08:29:30 PM
well done gents!  ;D
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 28, 2022, 08:56:23 PM
 In the reveal of 1-16 during the 1st week of regional rankings, Scranton(#8) was ahead of Hope(#12). Since then, both teams have won, but, since Hope is now seeded higher, the committee must have considered the win over Trine sufficient to move Hope ahead of Scranton. So, it looks like the 2nd weekend will be in Hope, barring a 1st weekend upset.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 28, 2022, 09:58:17 PM
Just think we can be Elizabethtown going to Trine! You could have easily switched them with Baldwin Wallace!Also Saratoga I'm not sure why they didn't put Clark Summit 15 minutes outside Scranton in that bracket?Money must not be an issue.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 28, 2022, 10:01:04 PM
Ronk did Ithaca move ahead also?I don't think you can make much out of it because Eau Claire,Rhodes not in the top 16!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 28, 2022, 10:12:47 PM

Exactly right.
Well, if our kids are fortunate enough to win the first & second round, at least they'll get a flight and a game or two at a first class venue.
However.....Let's take care of NJCU first.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 28, 2022, 10:24:42 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 28, 2022, 10:01:04 PM
Ronk did Ithaca move ahead also?I don't think you can make much out of it because Eau Claire,Rhodes not in the top 16!

Ithaca moved from #15 to #5 thru 8, probably #8 after Smith, Amherst, and Scranton.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 28, 2022, 10:30:24 PM
Will the final regional rankings come out one more time this Wednesday?I'm happy the Landmark has 3 teams in the tournament!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 01, 2022, 08:12:15 AM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 28, 2022, 10:30:24 PM
Will the final regional rankings come out one more time this Wednesday?I'm happy the Landmark has 3 teams in the tournament!

The men's were up right after the bracket show. We're not sure why the women's were slower. They were done on time, obviously.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 01, 2022, 08:55:14 PM
 The Lady Royals' 1st round opponent Jersey City has good size. They have 2 single-digit home victories over TCNJ whom Scranton defeated 60-47. They also have 2 4-point losses on the road to Amherst and Tufts, though Tufts was missing their best player, Maggie Russell, an AAU teammate of Emma Duerr.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 03, 2022, 09:55:31 PM
First off good luck to the Lady Royals and both Landmark teams tomorrow night.For the game tomorrow night against Jersey City,I have watched a couple of there games and they are a good team! So Lady Royals will have to bring their A game tomorrow night but back to Jersey City -They have a player named Rodriguez averaging 21 pts per game also a great foundation around her!What I found out about Rodriguez is- she loves to go to the left of the basket,so hopefully coach watched alot on this team.Like I said everyone is coming to play it is the NCAA tournament Baby.Let the fun begin and as always Go Lady Royals come out and support this great team community!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 04, 2022, 08:49:39 AM
Preview/Article about Abby Anderson in the Scranton Times, for those not in the area you have to pay for the article.


Student Government handing out pom-poms prior to today's game, it is a start.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 04, 2022, 12:02:11 PM
 Thanks - hope to talk with Abby and her parents tonite.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 05, 2022, 01:51:17 PM

Congrats to the Lady Royals on last evenings victory.
Looks like Babson can be a beast on the boards for second chance shots so the Lady Royals will need to do another great job with their interior defense & box out.
Babson had 11 offensive boards vs. Amherst which historically, allows some of the fewest per game.
PS.....
Make your layups, please.  ;)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 05, 2022, 08:09:56 PM
Congrats to the Coaching staff and Lady Royals on a great weekend tournament!Next up sweet 16 hopefully Scranton will host!I will second Nepafan on the Students not participating in this.If it be Ithace,Eau Claire the Students came out to support their team.Something is not right with the Students and University-I have never seen it like this(My vent for the day)But again Congrats Lady Royals on to the SWEET 16
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 06, 2022, 01:06:56 AM
 According to the bracketing, it seems((99.5%) that Hope will host and Scranton and NYU will have flights there. Scranton would have needed Hope to lose and Eau Claire to win in order to host(otherwise, Marietta since no flights would have been needed). It looks like Hope moved ahead of Scranton in the last week by virtue of their conference tourney title win over Trine being more impressive than Scranton's win over Catholic.
  Ladies played fairly well, repelling Babson's run in the beginning of 2nd half. Defense made enough steals, deflections, tie-ups, and blocks to make up for the offensive rebounds allowed.
Next up: NYU will be a challenge - complete team, offensively and defensively.

The 3 teams in Scranton's pod had no seniors so they'll likely be back in the running next year. Especially, New Jersey City who added 2 players at semester break and have 3 transfers from D2; I see the Coach continuing to add quality players(xfers and frosh) as people jump on their bandwagon.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 06, 2022, 02:43:58 AM
Like the Bandwagon part(lol).As this season keeps moving along Scranton is the only one left in this region and I'm not talking NCAA regions.Clark Summit,Desales,Catholic,Etown,Salisbury Messiah,Gettysburg all had a great year and Congratulations to them all.One other thing Ronk you brought up about all 3 having no seniors.Well I know of one senior coming back!Last year should have never been played.Talking about Seniors damn Hope is loaded with seniors.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 06, 2022, 08:19:38 AM

Hope should absolutely be the hands down host.
Great arena, fantastic support...what's not to like?
I'm disgusted with Scranton's lack of student support last night...pathetic.
Sorry, if giving out pom poms is their version of strategic planning for increased student engagement, then no wonder we are where we are.
The Ladies have always packed the Long Center for playoffs & the NCAA's.
It is high time the athletic department, student government and student-athletes come together to look for solutions to the increased apathy toward attending these events.
If you won't address the problem, then don't put in to host any longer.
The Long Center was a shell of its former self at this time of year & these kids deserved far better.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Roundball999 on March 06, 2022, 08:42:06 AM
Quote from: saratoga on March 06, 2022, 08:19:38 AM

Hope should absolutely be the hands down host.
Great arena, fantastic support...what's not to like?
I'm disgusted with Scranton's lack of student support last night...pathetic.
Sorry, if giving out pom poms is their version of strategic planning for increased student engagement, then no wonder we are where we are.
The Ladies have always packed the Long Center for playoffs & the NCAA's.
It is high time the athletic department, student government and student-athletes come together to look for solutions to the increased apathy toward attending these events.
If you won't address the problem, then don't put in to host any longer.
The Long Center was a shell of its former self at this time of year & these kids deserved far better.

Not sure if this came in to play for Scranton but some of the schools, not all,  were starting Spring Break this weekend.  I could see how that would impact student attendance, we all know how the campus empties at Spring Break time.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 06, 2022, 09:44:26 AM

Hi Roundball:
Unfortunately, the students & university can't use Spring Break as an excuse.
Scranton's starts at the end of classes next Friday.
It's been the same week the past 20 plus years.
However, even with the break starting next week, Scranton would usually host this next round & still pack the place one last time before they took off for Cancun, St. Croix or Miami.
These are unchartered waters that are becoming all too frequent & the issue first needs to be acknowledged and then addressed by the administration or things will not improve.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 06, 2022, 10:42:17 AM
 I did see ~ 10 female students at the baseball game yesterday, probably friends of the players, and about the same number that were at the basketball game, if the cheerleaders are excluded.
I think one has to realize that the times have changed wrt to student support for athletics. I'd still put in to host for the future and not penalize the teams themselves.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2022, 11:01:17 AM

The places that get big crowds around d3 do it with community support, not big student turnout. When students come, it's largely other student athletes. Schools with 10,000 students, like the WIAC, can sometimes draw, but it's not really a thing.  Marietta has one of the best game day atmospheres in d3, but their student section is like 5 rows on one half of one side of the court. You also see big turnouts in small towns with nothing else to do.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 06, 2022, 11:19:29 AM
Perfect example athletes supporting athletes.Ronk couldn't make it this weekend but did the Men show up?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 06, 2022, 11:25:09 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2022, 11:01:17 AM

The places that get big crowds around d3 do it with community support, not big student turnout. When students come, it's largely other student athletes. Schools with 10,000 students, like the WIAC, can sometimes draw, but it's not really a thing.  Marietta has one of the best game day atmospheres in d3, but their student section is like 5 rows on one half of one side of the court. You also see big turnouts in small towns with nothing else to do.
Ryan it started this year.So I'm not sure if it was because our county was in state of emergency and just came out of it.But Scranton before covid like Saratoga said would pack the gym.Something is wrong and I can't figure it out.!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 06, 2022, 11:39:51 AM
Susquehanna was packed for the landmark championship. So it can be done.

Scranton's community support has always been pretty decent. I think the students need to show up and support.

Ronk impressions of Quinn athletic complex?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 06, 2022, 11:53:18 AM
Hope,Whitewater,Transylvania,Amherst the host !
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 06, 2022, 12:54:29 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on March 06, 2022, 11:19:29 AM
Perfect example athletes supporting athletes.Ronk couldn't make it this weekend but did the Men show up?

There were some men Friday nite in the area where bballers would sit; wasn't concentrating on that area then so don't know for sure; hardly any students last nite though.

96-year old Fr. McIlhenny there last nite; may have been there Friday also; still playing golf per Fr. Herb.(acting president recently).
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 06, 2022, 01:06:57 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 06, 2022, 11:39:51 AM
Susquehanna was packed for the landmark championship. So it can be done.

Scranton's community support has always been pretty decent. I think the students need to show up and support.

Ronk impressions of Quinn athletic complex?

Very impressed! Artificial surface; home bullpen next to dugout - visitors have to run behind outfield fence - home field advantage; saw 1 1/2 innings of baseball(3-run homer by U of S, 6 total runs); 1/2 inning of Softball - impressive also; could stand about 20' from home plate. Didn't walk around to see the soccer/lacrosse/field hockey field.
Certainly upgrades the neighborhood; used to play basketball 3 blocks from there in Holy Cross hall; mentioned that to Abby Anderson's dad - he said Abby played biddy ball there, also; told him it was old 56 years ago when I played.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2022, 03:38:22 PM

I'm not saying you can't or shouldn't be able to pack the gym, I just don't think you should be counting on or looking to students to do that.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 06, 2022, 03:53:31 PM
I have been going to the long center since 1978 and personally this was the first year students didn't turn out for the Regionals in a long time for the women!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 06, 2022, 05:26:15 PM
Had time Final regional rankings in each pod :Amherst- 1 Tufts- 2,CNU-1,Trinity(tx)5.-Whitewater-3,Smith-1,Baldwin Wallace-5,Oshkosh-4.Hope-1,Millikin-4,NYU-1,Scranton-1.Transylvania-1,MHBU-1,Trine-2,Springfield-4.This is the final regional rankings and the sweet 16 teams still alive!Amherst-1,Whitewater-3,Hope-1,Transylvania-1 all host the 4 pods!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 06, 2022, 09:07:31 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 06, 2022, 01:06:57 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 06, 2022, 11:39:51 AM
Susquehanna was packed for the landmark championship. So it can be done.

Scranton's community support has always been pretty decent. I think the students need to show up and support.

Ronk impressions of Quinn athletic complex?

Very impressed! Artificial surface; home bullpen next to dugout - visitors have to run behind outfield fence - home field advantage; saw 1 1/2 innings of baseball(3-run homer by U of S, 6 total runs); 1/2 inning of Softball - impressive also; could stand about 20' from home plate. Didn't walk around to see the soccer/lacrosse/field hockey field.
Certainly upgrades the neighborhood; used to play basketball 3 blocks from there in Holy Cross hall; mentioned that to Abby Anderson's dad - he said Abby played biddy ball there, also; told him it was old 56 years ago when I played.

Thanks, a real gem. What a difference from Connoll park or wherever they were playing baseball previously. From no home field to hosting the Landmark conference championship...
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: names jaismith on March 07, 2022, 06:42:48 PM
Scranton will face a stern test in a deep, talented, and tough NYU team.  Scranton is a good team but with all due respect, the Landmark is a very very soft conference compared with the UAA.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 07, 2022, 06:56:13 PM
 Not this season.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 07, 2022, 07:01:33 PM
Thanks for that scouting report names...that level of detail certainly unlocks much of the mystery of this game.  ;)
Perhaps the Landmark is softer top to bottom than the UAA but the Royals have certainly had more than their share of success against both Rochester & NYU.
Wash U...not so much. ;D
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: names jaismith on March 07, 2022, 07:12:13 PM
No detail needed.  Scranton might win  - not saying they don't have some good players or can't compete with NYU - but it would be a mild upset if they did.  The Landmark has two or three pretty weak teams that the top two are guaranteed to beat without breaking a sweat.  The UAA, not so much.  Playing in a tough conference is better preparation for NCAA than playing in a weaker one, and it often really shows in the second weekend. 
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 07, 2022, 07:16:59 PM
Quote from: names jaismith on March 07, 2022, 06:42:48 PM
Scranton will face a stern test in a deep, talented, and tough NYU team.  Scranton is a good team but with all due respect, the Landmark is a very very soft conference compared with the UAA.
Let's put this to rest-NYU has played 1 team that made the tournament,Scranton-6 teams made it out of those 6 team they lost once to Ithaca way early in the year.So it is not about just your divison it is your all around schedule!Your UAA was not stellar conference this year!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: names jaismith on March 07, 2022, 07:25:42 PM
Nope.
Check the Massey conference ratings based on a comprehensive statistical analysis, including SOS etc.
Anyway I am not an NYU grad, fan or a Scranton hater.  So if Scranton wins, more power to them.
But there is a huge gap in the relative strength of the two conferences, top to bottom
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 07, 2022, 07:59:59 PM
Yes also  Scranton has S.O.S of 585 and NYU 564 but if Scranton played Baldwin Wallace and Colby(due to covid) that would have went up!Good Luck and Go Lady Royals see you in Hope Wednesday!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on March 08, 2022, 02:36:15 PM
Quote from: names jaismith on March 07, 2022, 06:42:48 PM
Scranton will face a stern test in a deep, talented, and tough NYU team.  Scranton is a good team but with all due respect, the Landmark is a very very soft conference compared with the UAA.

can't be that weak if they were a 3 bid conf.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on March 08, 2022, 04:40:32 PM
Looking forward to see these teams this weekend in Holland!  We had just shy of 2000 fans at the games last weekend and I expect the same this weekend - the place should be rockin'.  I pulled together some stats, tournament history, and predictions for this pod:

Team stats & Regional Ranking data

Team     Avg Pos/G   Off Eff (PPP)   Def Eff (PPP)      SOS      vRRO 
NYU     72.5   1.079   0.78      0.557      10-1
Scranton     64.6   1.043   0.801      0.597      8-2
Millikin     71.3   1.029   0.856      0.563      9-5
Hope     74.6   1.158   0.628      0.540     6-1

NCAA Tournament history

Team     Win   Loss   %      Final Fours      Championships 
NYU     33   22   0.600          1
Scranton     68   36   0.654          1
Millikin     24   14   0.632          1
Hope     43   18   0.705          2

Massey Predictions


Team     Rank   Score   Probability             
NYU     6   69   0.76           
Scranton     25   60   0.24           
-------------------     -------------------   -------------------   -------------------           
Millikin     17   60   0.06           
Hope     1   80   0.94           
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 08, 2022, 05:09:51 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on March 08, 2022, 04:40:32 PM
Looking forward to see these teams this weekend in Holland!  We had just shy of 2000 fans at the games last weekend and I expect the same this weekend - the place should be rockin'.  I pulled together some stats, tournament history, and predictions for this pod:

Team stats & Regional Ranking data

Team     Avg Pos/G   Off Eff (PPP)   Def Eff (PPP)      SOS      vRRO 
NYU     72.5   1.079   0.78      0.557      10-1
Scranton     64.6   1.043   0.801      0.597      8-2
Millikin     71.3   1.029   0.856      0.563      9-5
Hope     74.6   1.158   0.628      0.540     6-1

NCAA Tournament history

Team     Win   Loss   %      Final Fours      Championships 
NYU     33   22   0.600          1
Scranton     68   36   0.654          1
Millikin     24   14   0.632          1
Hope     43   18   0.705          2

Massey Predictions


Team     Rank   Score   Probability             
NYU     6   69   0.76           
Scranton     25   60   0.24           
-------------------     -------------------   -------------------   -------------------           
Millikin     17   60   0.06           
Hope     1   80   0.94           
Nice-On the National Championships all 3 teams Scranton was in the final four when they won.NYU at NYU Scranton lost to NYU 84-72  National semi-final game  ,Millikin at Virginia Beach(Scranton lost to RMC )Millikin beat RMC for Title.Then Hope vs Scranton Springfield! Scranton lost by 3 definetly was the Title game(Semi-Final)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 08, 2022, 05:48:08 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on March 08, 2022, 04:40:32 PM
Looking forward to see these teams this weekend in Holland!  We had just shy of 2000 fans at the games last weekend and I expect the same this weekend - the place should be rockin'.  I pulled together some stats, tournament history, and predictions for this pod:

Team stats & Regional Ranking data

Team     Avg Pos/G   Off Eff (PPP)   Def Eff (PPP)      SOS      vRRO 
NYU     72.5   1.079   0.78      0.557      10-1
Scranton     64.6   1.043   0.801      0.597      8-2
Millikin     71.3   1.029   0.856      0.563      9-5
Hope     74.6   1.158   0.628      0.540     6-1

NCAA Tournament history

Team     Win   Loss   %      Final Fours      Championships 
NYU     33   22   0.600          1
Scranton     68   36   0.654          1
Millikin     24   14   0.632          1
Hope     43   18   0.705          2

Massey Predictions


Team     Rank   Score   Probability             
NYU     6   69   0.76           
Scranton     25   60   0.24           
-------------------     -------------------   -------------------   -------------------           
Millikin     17   60   0.06           
Hope     1   80   0.94           
Any recommendations on  a most when visiting Hope(Restaurants,Local establishments,Sight seeing!We are coming  in Wednesday staying until Sunday?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 08, 2022, 07:57:30 PM
any thoughts on how Hope is succesfull in drawing so many in their buidling?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 08, 2022, 08:33:46 PM

NEPA:
I think its been described earlier as the little towns go-to entertainment.
Certainly student support but I also read where alumni generally come back this weekend and it becomes a great atmosphere.
I mean the Lady Royals have played before near 2,000 at home just 3 years ago before COVID hit but last Saturday's lack of student support has just not sat well.
They were there on Friday (although sitting on their hands like they were at the final match of the US Open), but at least they were present.
No idea why they couldn't come back for 2 hours Saturday.

On another topic...while I was re-watching the NYU/Bates game, I realized that had the committee awarded NYU the host site for this weekend...Scranton star Abby Anderson would have been playing on the court she called home for 3 years as the Violets use St. Francis Brooklyn for their home games.
That would have been a little surreal.


Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 08, 2022, 11:09:08 PM
Speaking of surreal, Maggie Shipley transferred from Amherst to Trinity (Texas). I can't imagine that she ever thought she'd step foot in LeFrak Gymnasium again.

Guess where Trinity's playing this weekend?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 09, 2022, 06:41:24 AM

Gordon:
I pointed that out a few days ago wondering if it was the NCAA being a bit devious in their long range planning or just pure randomness. ;)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 09, 2022, 07:51:53 AM
Quote from: saratoga on March 08, 2022, 08:33:46 PM

NEPA:
I think its been described earlier as the little towns go-to entertainment.
Certainly student support but I also read where alumni generally come back this weekend and it becomes a great atmosphere.
I mean the Lady Royals have played before near 2,000 at home just 3 years ago before COVID hit but last Saturday's lack of student support has just not sat well.
They were there on Friday (although sitting on their hands like they were at the final match of the US Open), but at least they were present.
No idea why they couldn't come back for 2 hours Saturday.

On another topic...while I was re-watching the NYU/Bates game, I realized that had the committee awarded NYU the host site for this weekend...Scranton star Abby Anderson would have been playing on the court she called home for 3 years as the Violets use St. Francis Brooklyn for their home games.
That would have been a little surreal.

Thank you. Would have been interesting to see Abby close out her college career back where it started.

On the Men's side it appears Coach Danzig landed another recruit, isn't clear who it is.

Safe travels for Royal Nation traveling West this weekend.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on March 09, 2022, 08:55:09 AM
Quote from: Augie2020 on March 08, 2022, 05:48:08 PM
Any recommendations on  a most when visiting Hope(Restaurants,Local establishments,Sight seeing!We are coming  in Wednesday staying until Sunday?

Lots of great places to eat and drink in the downtown area - New-Holland brewery, HopCat,  Hops at 84 East, Boatwerks and many more.  There is also a St Particks Day Parade on Saturday at noon: Here's a link to the Holland downtown area

https://www.downtownholland.com

Sites to see - well you really should go visit the Lake Michigan shoreline while you're here.  You can go to Holland State Park (with the channel and Big Red - the lighthouse) and/or go to Tunnel Park (the unique thing about that place is there is literally a tunnel through a dune and it's a pretty awesome experience coming out of the tunnel face to face with the lakeshore. There is also Windmill Island (has an actual 250 year old windmill moved here from the Netherlands) that you can learn about and tour - details are in the downtown link as well

Hope you enjoy your visit
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on March 09, 2022, 09:24:11 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 08, 2022, 07:57:30 PM
any thoughts on how Hope is succesfull in drawing so many in their buidling?

It is really about the community.  Hope (both men and women) have lead the country in attendance for I would guess 15-20 years - certainly since DeVos opened in 2005.  Even prior to DeVos opening, there was great community support.  When they built the DeVos (seats 3400 - with some chairs around the top it can get to 3600 maybe) some were concerned that was too small - since the men had been filling the old Holland Civic Center for decades (capactiy 2500ish).  I'm guessing that there are roughly 1200-1500 season ticket holders (on the men's side) - and for many years you had to go on a waitlist to get season tickets.  My wife and I waited 5 years to get season tickets, back in the 90s.  Women's games are all general seating, but you can purchase season tickets as well.  Smallish town helps I'm sure, and it really is a fabulous place to experience a game

Here is the average attendance for Hope women's games the last few seasons:

21-22 - 1152
20-21 - no fans allowed
19-20 - 1167
18-19 - 975
17-18 - 1484
16-17 - 1132

DeVos Fieldhouse:  https://athletics.hope.edu/information/facilities/devos_fieldhouse/devos_fieldhouse
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 09, 2022, 03:41:04 PM
Does anyone know if Dean is making the trip?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 09, 2022, 03:48:26 PM
 When Dean signed off from the Babson game videostream, he said we'll see you next week.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 09, 2022, 03:53:46 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 09, 2022, 03:48:26 PM
When Dean signed off from the Babson game videostream, he said we'll see you next week.

Thanks!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: names jaismith on March 11, 2022, 07:29:45 PM
About the result I expected.  Scranton put up a good fight, but they are not as good as NYU.  Going forward however, I think NYU will be just as challenged against Hope, should Hope win.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 11, 2022, 10:05:20 PM
 Lady Royals fall to a tough defensive NYU despite jumping off to a 12-point lead. Turnovers helped NYU get back in the game(7 in the 1st quarter), not so much by NYU converting but from limiting additional Royal scoring chances. Leaving NYU's 3-pt shooter open led to her making 5 of 6 attempts in the 1st half. Doggedness of NYU's Pellecchia forced Bridget into numerous uncharacteristic passing turnovers.
Hannah continues to improve her confidence in her offensive game, scoring 14 to keep the Royals close in the 1st half.
NYU defense was effective in limiting Abby's opportunities after 1 driving basket in the 1st minute.
Looking forward to next season with nearly all players returning. Kudos to 2 who won't:
Emily, who said on an interview with Dean today that she was going to Drexel for nursing. I'm remembering a game @ Gwynedd-Mercy 2 seasons ago when she was 6-10 from 3-pt range, all swishes. Emily did a good job on the defensive boards this season with a couple of double-digit carom games.
  Abby - she was a joy for me to watch this season after advocating strongly for her 5 years ago before she chose D1 St. Francis. Notwithstanding all the points, rebounds, and assists this season, I feel she taught the rest of the team what it means to compete on every play. Best wishes on any future coaching opportunity!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 11, 2022, 10:46:00 PM
I think you mean Hanna not Heather!Every sectional game was close except Scranton vs NYU.My question is why Dipillo never pressed them?He let them get into half court sets and Miller was just left alone and that is how they went onto that 35-16 run to close it out 37-30.Also alot of missed layups!Offense sells the tickets Defense wins the game..
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 11, 2022, 11:25:55 PM
Quote from: names jaismith on March 11, 2022, 07:29:45 PM
About the result I expected.  Scranton put up a good fight, but they are not as good as NYU.  Going forward however, I think NYU will be just as challenged against Hope, should Hope win.
Jasmin you didn't even get off the bench it's in the name jasmin(Matthews)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 12, 2022, 11:05:26 AM

First things first...
Wonderful season yet again by the Lady Royals regardless of last nights downer.
All the very best to the graduating Seniors.
They've had an incredible 4 year run.
As freshman they went to the Final Four & they've never looked back while playing through a pandemic.
Abby...thank you for coming back home for your final season.
As Ronk said earlier...it was a pleasure to watch that fire & enthusiasm each & every game, each & every minute.
I wish we had 5 more of you!
A nice nucleus coming back, but recruiting wise, there needs to be some impact players coming in.
As we've seen all season, turnovers and blown layups will eventually kill you against the better teams.
These are two areas this team never improved upon.
And finally...serious flaws with their defense won't hurt much against lesser teams but boy will good teams exploit that weakness...exactly like NYU did last night.
Clearly this team needs several additions to take them from a nice team to an actual national challenger.
Here's to a great recruiting class.  ;)




Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 12, 2022, 06:04:46 PM
I'll see everyone on the recruiting trail, please keep us up-to-date. Safe travels home from Holland for the Royal Faithful.


Lets Go Royals!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 12, 2022, 09:35:21 PM
What a difference in nights at Hope.Last Night NYU shot 42.3% from 3pt range Miller 6-16 3pt 7-17 from the floor for 20 pts,Shelton off the bench 2-3 3pt range 7-11 from the floor for 17 against Scranton.Tonight against Hope NYU same two players Miller 2-8 from 3pt range 4-11 from the floor for 10pts,Shelton 1-3 from 3pt range 2-6 from the floor for 5 points and tonight from 3pt range 29.4%.Difference when you deny and pay defense.One thing Hope did get was alot of calls I think 24-25 ft NYU 1-2. Hope went to the line alot because they drove to the basket and we did that in the first quarter but got away from it.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 13, 2022, 03:31:34 AM
Quote from: saratoga on March 12, 2022, 11:05:26 AM

First things first...
Wonderful season yet again by the Lady Royals regardless of last nights downer.
All the very best to the graduating Seniors.
They've had an incredible 4 year run.
As freshman they went to the Final Four & they've never looked back while playing through a pandemic.
Abby...thank you for coming back home for your final season.
As Ronk said earlier...it was a pleasure to watch that fire & enthusiasm each & every game, each & every minute.
I wish we had 5 more of you!
A nice nucleus coming back, but recruiting wise, there needs to be some impact players coming in.
As we've seen all season, turnovers and blown layups will eventually kill you against the better teams.
These are two areas this team never improved upon.
And finally...serious flaws with their defense won't hurt much against lesser teams but boy will good teams exploit that weakness...exactly like NYU did last night.
Clearly this team needs several additions to take them from a nice team to an actual national challenger.
Here's to a great recruiting class.  ;)

Right now it'll be 1 2022: https://www.ncsasports.org/womens-basketball-recruiting/new-york/east-syracuse/bishop-grimes-juniorsenior-high-school/jenna-sloan

Doesn't preclude potential xfers from the portal, however. I'll be checking in the spring. My potential(admittedly a long shot for the Royals) xfer(Ivy POY) is said to be going to UNC to rejoin the coach who originally recruited her for Princeton.  I had noticed her as a rising high school frosh.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: names jaismith on March 13, 2022, 08:09:41 PM
Augie
Haha...way off...wrong gender....wrong generation....please don't be so sensitive - -all I said was NYU significantly better than Scranton (true), then likely Hope the same to NYU (also true)....don't be so sensitive...Scranton had a good season but often there is a pretty big gap from the last eight to the final 4
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 13, 2022, 09:50:53 PM
Quote from: names jaismith on March 13, 2022, 08:09:41 PM
Augie
Haha...way off...wrong gender....wrong generation....please don't be so sensitive - -all I said was NYU significantly better than Scranton (true), then likely Hope the same to NYU (also true)....don't be so sensitive...Scranton had a good season but often there is a pretty big gap from the last eight to the final 4
You have it all wrong Not sensitive just don't like NYU.Its like Coach Strong  and Coach Quinn feeling!If you know what I mean!!!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 13, 2022, 09:52:28 PM
It's pretty obvious who I was rooting for Friday since my wife & I are Grad. School alums from Scranton.
Our daughter though went to the UofS as an undergrad & just graduated from NYU with her MA from there.
We had a bet on the game & let's just say her loyalties were not where ours were & she's a little richer for it.  ;)
The color purple was a winner though!
On another topic...
Former UofS women's coach Trevor Woodruff took his Bucknell Lady Bison to their 3rd. straight Patriot League championship game only to fall to American U.
Congrats to Trevor on another outstanding season.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 13, 2022, 09:57:56 PM

If you're back from the great white north Augie...welcome home.
Back in 1999 I thought Janice was going to strangle Mike as the teams exited the Long Center floor at halftime of an NCAA tournament game.
Some serious battles that's for sure.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 14, 2022, 10:12:27 AM
Thought this was interesting and wanted to share. Good video.

https://twitter.com/HopeAthletics/status/1503331382893887491?s=20&t=pnTi9lm6ZFmHnhYDLx3_qA


Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Roundball999 on March 14, 2022, 11:21:23 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 14, 2022, 10:12:27 AM
Thought this was interesting and wanted to share. Good video.

https://twitter.com/HopeAthletics/status/1503331382893887491?s=20&t=pnTi9lm6ZFmHnhYDLx3_qA



I hadn't seen that, thanks for posting.  This is part of what I've mentioned on other posts.  Some of this is fortunate circumstance (Freedom Village is 1/2 mile from Devos) but it has also been cultivated over a long period of time.  The school, the coach, and the young women on the team all work very hard to establish and sustain these relationships over time through community involvement.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on March 14, 2022, 09:04:05 PM
Congrats to Scranton Assistant Kaitlyn Lewis on her recognition by the WBCA!

https://athletics.scranton.edu/sports/wbkb/2021-22/releases/20220314gpm0x6
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 15, 2022, 12:01:30 PM
 Congrats to Lady Royals' Abby and Bridget making 1st team All-Region. Additionally, I would have picked Abby as POY in the region over Messiah's Leah Springer. Admittedly, this would have been differentiated by intangibles to the d3hoops panel such as bringing one's team to a better record, both in the regular season and postseason and the example shown to team members of competing on every play. For the record, I've been almost as big a booster of Leah for even 1 year longer than Abby(6 years vs 5).
Looking at the selections for regions(1-5) wrt my prospect lists, this year there were 4 1st teamers, 3 2nd teams, 2 3rd teams, and 2 POYs(Antonakakis, Springer).   
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: RJ Preston on March 18, 2022, 01:22:55 PM
The difference I see between Leah and Abby is that Leah carried Messiah to a much greater extent. Abby had Bridget to share the load. Leah alone led Messiah in points (17.5), rebounds (11.1), assists (3.5), free throw %, blocks, and even steals. I see very few other players in D3 being able to objectively measure up across the board. These stats reveal her as a textbook example of a player who really is able to play any position on the floor.

As to "competing on every play," from Feb 12 on, Leah was playing with a severely sprained ankle. Unfortunately for her, she injured it even more in the second quarter against Springfield (after scoring 10 points and grabbing 7 rebounds in the first quarter alone). Her presence was sorely missed as Messiah fell 73-68, despite a valiant effort. Had Leah been healthy and able to play the whole game, I suspect the end result would have been different.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 19, 2022, 02:51:18 PM
 Congrats to Abby Anderson named 5th team All-American; I would have her 3rd team, at least, ahead of Jenna Taylor, Aleah Grundahl, Veronica Christ, Leah Porath, Jayla Johnson, Averi Jordan, Olivia Voskuil, Tara Bieniewicz.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 19, 2022, 08:25:24 PM

Absolutely.
Are the votes based upon what the person actually did for her team or is it more she's a D-1 transfer playing for 1 year so let's not treat her the same?
Clearly, anyone that watched Scranton basketball knows how valuable she was to the team.
She took tons of pressure off Bridgett allowing her to roam around to get good looks, she was a double/double machine, rebounded & did whatever she could to help the team win.
And, she lead her team to an undefeated conference regular season.
Looking at some of the other regional players ahead of her is kind of sad yet comical.
How many times did Abby's team defeat Christ's E-town squad?
Did Jordan lead Desales to a Sweet 16?
It's a nice honor for Abby but she is clearly a far better all-around player than many named before her.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 20, 2022, 01:42:17 AM
 From watching the Final 4 semis and championship, these teams did it primarily with defense - overplaying passes and handoffs, denying passes into the paint, weakside help. They didn't allow uncontested shots and took away from the offenses what they had done against lesser competition. One could use the 2 Hope game videos as a defensive training school. One hopes the Lady Royals will be watching and employing these techniques in the future if they want to advance beyond the Sweet 16..
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 20, 2022, 11:02:30 AM

Ronk:
Couldn't agree more.
Also for kicks & giggles, watch the Hope/Trine regular season games to see the intensity virtually each & every possession is contested.
Unfortunately, with the current coaching philosophy on taking 3's an inordinate amount of times, defense has taken a back seat.
The Lady Royals play decent D but certainly not to the level of the nations top teams.
Case in point, in Trevor's last season (2019) when they went to the Final Four, they held Tufts scoreless over the last 7:45 of the game, while outscoring Tufts 15-0.
The Lady Royal teams of the past few years would never be able to do that.
Until this mindset changes, the Lady Royals will continue to win games during the regular season but will find advancing beyond the first weekend a very serious challenge.
As the old basketball adage states...
Offense will win games, Defense will win championships.
Truer words were never spoken.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 22, 2022, 07:22:26 PM

Congrats to Scranton's Abby Anderson on making the WBCA All-American team.
Nice to see the voting coaches understand her importance & overall contribution.
Making Honorable Mention are the Lady Royals Bridget Monaghan, V. Christ from E-town, L. Springer from Messiah & Jordan from Desales.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 23, 2022, 05:19:52 PM
Congrats to Abby and Bridget on a stellar year.Agree DEFENSE needs to improve against NYU it was 14-2 e consecutive times Miller was wide open 3 times  in a row and I mean not a player on her within 7 ft and it didn't change.Scranton i think was ranked 24th on Defense and 85th on offense that is great but like Saratoga said! It will be hard getting by the sweet 16 without an upgrade to the defensive side of the ball.I will say this Trevor was great for Defense and he learned from  one of the best Canio -use his knowledge he is at the U alot
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 25, 2022, 02:16:03 PM
Congrats to Coach Berube also.(Former Tufts coach) almost had her team to the sweet 16(Princeton) Her and Trevor had some good battles in D3.So Congrats To Trevor and Berube on great years also!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 25, 2022, 05:58:53 PM
Speaking of Abby Anderson will she have another year left because of covid?It said she played 3 years at St Francis of Brooklyn and one time at Scranton and what the ncaa rule for covid would she be eligible to be a super senior this year?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 25, 2022, 06:02:30 PM
I remember before covid Moraivian had a player like 6 years and I think Leah Springer had 5 years(Not all played years but on roster).That would be great if Abby could come back.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 25, 2022, 06:39:32 PM
 Abby didn't play during the covid year @ St Francis; the 3 years she did play plus the 1 year @ Scranton is the max that one can play, so she's done as a player. She'd be valuable if she comes back as a graduate assistant coach, though.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on March 25, 2022, 08:16:34 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 25, 2022, 06:39:32 PM
Abby didn't play during the covid year @ St Francis; the 3 years she did play plus the 1 year @ Scranton is the max that one can play, so she's done as a player. She'd be valuable if she comes back as a graduate assistant coach, though.

Yes.  And YES!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 25, 2022, 09:59:10 PM
Thanks guys
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 25, 2022, 10:04:10 PM
I thought everyone got an extra year due to COVID?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 25, 2022, 10:26:48 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 25, 2022, 10:04:10 PM
I thought everyone got an extra year due to COVID?

The COVID year doesn't count for anyone.  You only get a fifth year if you played 20-21.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 25, 2022, 11:16:20 PM
Watching Stanford vs Maryland Coach Van Derveer understands thst defense wins titles Every basket shot and player is contested going toward the basket for Maryland.So If you scroll through defense was good this year work on it more this off season to get by the sweet 16 !
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 26, 2022, 01:16:05 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 25, 2022, 10:04:10 PM
I thought everyone got an extra year due to COVID?

They did; if u played games in the covid year, it didn't count, but u still only get 4 years of play, not counting the covid year. For example, Bridget, Hannah, and Kyra(current Lady Royals juniors) have played 3 seasons but 1 season was covid, so they have 2 more years of eligibility. Jackson has played 4 seasons but 1 was covid , so he has another season of eligibility.
  Abby, however, didn't play during the covid season, but did play 4 other years, so no more eligibility.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 26, 2022, 07:10:52 PM
Hopefully recruiting will bring in another low d1 player type and have a stellar year.He has the talent slot on the bench to do it also!!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 27, 2022, 08:33:11 PM
Just saw Allison Dammer is committed to Scranton but it's for lacrosse.She is 6ft 1and she should try out for team if it's true what Ronk said only one recruit so far this year.Also I see Nepa elite aau has commits up like for Kings,Wilkes, Etown, Catholic,Bowdoin and Muhlenberg.They are starting to come into Scrantons territory so if you only get one recruit that is not good!!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on April 01, 2022, 02:08:44 PM
Well this board is dead for the next couple months.So I said on my last post about teams coming into Scranton to recruit.Just like Casey (Prep, M)went North to Williams i see Belardi(Prep,W)is headed further north to Bowdoin.Best of luck!I think bringing jv teams back to the Men's and Women's program would be a plus for University of Scranton,What is your thoughts?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 01, 2022, 07:20:44 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on April 01, 2022, 02:08:44 PM
Well this board is dead for the next couple months.So I said on my last post about teams coming into Scranton to recruit.Just like Casey (Prep, M)went North to Williams i see Belardi(Prep,W)is headed further north to Bowdoin.Best of luck!I think bringing jv teams back to the Men's and Women's program would be a plus for University of Scranton,What is your thoughts?

May not be dead with possible action on the transfer portal front and the start of the AAU spring/summer season.
  A JV schedule would be a good idea with all the possible opponents only an hour away at most; would give development action to the last 8 players on deep rosters. In addition to the local D3s, there are also the PA St extension schools, Bloomsburg and East Stroudsburg D2s, Lackawanna JC, Binghamton D1 as possibilities.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on April 01, 2022, 10:20:33 PM
Agree Ronk.Definetly develope those kids on the bench better.In meaning the board is dead-Usally it is until May,June but like you said transfer portal might change that!When I heard Scranton might only be recruiting one player-I'm like I hope not when you see Etown ,Catholic filling up on recruits and a Scranton Prep girl going up north to Bowdoin.Like Saratoga said  when Casey went to Williams how do they get away from you in your own back yard.Im not sure if Coach Dipilo has it in with some nepa elite aau teams but he should. some nice players are leaving area for league teams
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 01, 2022, 10:55:40 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on April 01, 2022, 10:20:33 PM
Agree Ronk.Definetly develope those kids on the bench better.In meaning the board is dead-Usally it is until May,June but like you said transfer portal might change that!When I heard Scranton might only be recruiting one player-I'm like I hope not when you see Etown ,Catholic filling up on recruits and a Scranton Prep girl going up north to Bowdoin.Like Saratoga said  when Casey went to Williams how do they get away from you in your own back yard.Im not sure if Coach Dipilo has it in with some nepa elite aau teams but he should. some nice players are leaving area for league teams

I remember the men had a JV team within the first few years when Danzig came in. He had to call up a few to play on year  as I recall.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 02, 2022, 01:23:21 AM
 Etown adds a Loyalsock teammate of Summer McNulty, Allyia Kennedy 6', player of the year in 4-county Williamsport area. Could be a good replacement for Veronica Christ.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 02, 2022, 07:42:05 AM

Not sure what's going on with recruiting at the UofS but bringing in one freshman does not bode well for the long term health of the program.
This becomes especially concerning considering his first 3 classes brought in 8 players & only 1 of them sees any semblance of playing time.
Not sure where he's getting his talent leads from but they certainly don't appear to be working out.
The kids that have carried him are all Tevor's & as Augie states, Allison Dammer is a really nice player that doesn't want to play??
He seems to be missing out on some really good local kids & the freshmen & soph's he has brought in are not anywhere near the calibre of student-athletes to make a serious programatic impact.
If they are, he certainly hasn't let that talent be shown.
After this upcoming season, the cupboard is going to be very bare talent wise.
Bringing in only one freshman this year will help ensure it unfortunately stays that way.

Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 02, 2022, 11:37:30 AM
 If u want to do your own survey of talent, there's a good girls' AAU tourney in Scranton today and tomorrow with prospects likely to be playing in the Long Center in the coming years, both future Lady Royals and opponents.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on April 02, 2022, 03:48:12 PM
Yes Thank you Ronk!Pertaining to that one recruit(If True and source is usually right on this) I agree with Saratoga man does this set you back a whole year to only have a 1 recruit and praying on some transfer portal miracle.Im just at awe with one recruit coming in like are they only carrying 16 players,I mean when Catholic comes he has 20,Hope 23.I just dont get the 1 recruit bit and nothing against 1 recruit bug with all the talent out there and you know that Ronk very well to bring in one recruit is just not Scranton  womens basketball.Unless Coach has a magic wand and can make the players he refused to put in last year becomeAll Americans over night  it is great then.He does have some nice players and that is why I mentioned JV to develope those young ladies and prep them for the next year.Bring Back JV sports in Men and Women basketball 
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on April 02, 2022, 03:49:28 PM
Quote from: ronk on April 02, 2022, 01:23:21 AM
Etown adds a Loyalsock teammate of Summer McNulty, Allyia Kennedy 6', player of the year in 4-county Williamsport area. Could be a good replacement for Veronica Christ.
also Ellie Fasick PF out of Hershey
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on April 02, 2022, 03:51:23 PM
I will have more to add with Juniata,Wilkes,Susquehanna,Catholic league teams
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 02, 2022, 05:14:27 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on April 02, 2022, 03:48:12 PM
Yes Thank you Ronk!Pertaining to that one recruit(If True and source is usually right on this) I agree with Saratoga man does this set you back a whole year to only have a 1 recruit and praying on some transfer portal miracle.Im just at awe with one recruit coming in like are they only carrying 16 players,I mean when Catholic comes he has 20,Hope 23.I just dont get the 1 recruit bit and nothing against 1 recruit bug with all the talent out there and you know that Ronk very well to bring in one recruit is just not Scranton  womens basketball.Unless Coach has a magic wand and can make the players he refused to put in last year becomeAll Americans over night  it is great then.He does have some nice players and that is why I mentioned JV to develope those young ladies and prep them for the next year.Bring Back JV sports in Men and Women basketball

16 was the max # of players that were on the roster as far back as I can remember; this year's 18 was highly unusual; maybe it was decided that was too many for whatever reasons(lessened covid possibility, etc.).
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on April 02, 2022, 06:55:06 PM
Also today's paper has Keystone joining landmark in football not sure about any other sport but big article about Keystone joining Landmark.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 03, 2022, 03:41:57 PM
Just football -- the rest of Keystone's sports will remain in the CSAC.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on April 03, 2022, 10:40:45 PM
Ronk it seems like you have alot on AAU basketball-Local girl Kaci Kranson is she going d1?Not sure if Toome(Dunmore High)is going UConn either but Murray(Player of the year)(Dunmore High) and Lavelle(Riverside) going to Drexel.Romanowski(Western wayne)Kings and Neville(Scranton prep )F&M.Catholic a recruit from up north in NY Toni Fernadez.Hopefully right spelling more to come hopefully for Scranton!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 04, 2022, 01:00:46 AM
 The Drexel girls had committed before I constructed my prospect list of 2022s; Toomey was going to be a high D1 choice so I've left her off, also. The other 2 didn't make it. Tori Fernandez did make it and is a very good get for Coach Donohue. I just found confirmation of Tori's Catholic U commit on social media.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on April 06, 2022, 12:45:20 AM
Ronk you probably talk to alot of prospects!So my question is why would a player go D2 that is below 500 every year compared to going to a Powerhouse d3 school that gives you the winning feeling and you
a chance to win with a great program and go deep in playoffs not to mention win a title?This is pertaining to a recruit tonight and it just mind blowing why you would want to go to a d2 school that record is below 500 almost every year!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 06, 2022, 10:44:58 AM
 Don't talk with prospects; only evaluate; AD Dave Martin wants only the coaching staff to talk with prospects.
If the D2 is a PSAC school, I'd say a significant reason would be the cost of education - lower tuition plus the athletic scholarship financial help.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 06, 2022, 10:56:38 AM
In addition, the allure of being able to call yourself a scholarship athlete is real, and absolutely draws some kids to choose a quite partial ride at a D-II or NAIA over a D-III financial aid package that probably would be the same or less out of pocket.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 06, 2022, 12:17:25 PM
I would pump brakes on the reaction to the incoming class this year. Let's see what the official announcement later this spring shows..
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 06, 2022, 02:57:19 PM

As someone with over 20 years of college coaching experience, it comes down to 3 main reasons, two of which have already been articulated by Ronk & Pat.
1.Kids love to point out (as do their parents) that they are receiving a scholarship for their respective sport.
Basically a degree of separation from those who are not.
2.Not every family, regardless of financial aid, can pay the balance of a private college price tag north of 50k/60K per year.
Unless of course you want to saddle your child with well over 100,000 in debt.
3.Unethical coaches that promise the world to everyone they talk to.
Come here & do the magical things we know you can & that 25% scholarship will turn into a full one.
Sounds perfect until the player realizes that since they are only getting about 2 minutes a game pt, that full ride may not be destined for them.
Every player has their own reason but usually, it comes down to a combo of these 3.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 06, 2022, 11:07:10 PM
 I just see that Abington Heights' Becky Burke is moving as HC U of S Carolina(Outback?) to Buffalo; maybe 1 of her players(former Scranton Prep Rachel Rose) will now enter the transfer portal.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 07, 2022, 11:09:57 AM

Becky has been at the U of South Carolina Upstate the past few years & has done a great job everywhere she's been.
Can't see Rachel staying down there as Becky was probably the only reason she went down there.
If I were a betting man, I'm thinking she gets reunited with her cousin & former Scranton Prep backcourt partner Cecelia Collins at Bucknell.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 07, 2022, 07:16:56 PM
 Tweet by Rachel Rose that she has entered the transfer portal and a like from Trevor of that tweet.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 08, 2022, 08:52:01 AM
Article in the times about Mrs. Rose.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 08, 2022, 07:07:40 PM
 Andrea Preston becomes Associate AD @ Goucher, giving up her HC WB position. She worked hard in recruiting to turn things around @ Goucher; for her 1st year, at least, there weren't enough players for a 5-on-5 practice, so things were on the upswing from that level.   
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on May 04, 2022, 03:35:04 PM
Well on the men's side The Coaches really got on the road this year and really welcomes in some very  good talented players as of May 1st.I see on the Women's side Coach picked up 1 recruit so far and it is a pretty good recruit(But a little bird whispered in my ear and said that is it)I hope that is not true .With all the talent around this area and a 1000pt scorers you should have at least 3 to 4 recruits at Scranton every year.Hopefully I'm wrong just wait and see
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 06, 2022, 05:29:28 PM
 According to the impact of donations listed for today's Scranton U fundraising, the Lady Royals intend to play in St. Petersburg(FL) this December; they were supposed to play in Naples(FL) last December, but the trip was aborted when opponents pulled out for covid concerns.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 06, 2022, 10:58:01 PM

Hope this week's fundraiser buys them another gallon of gas to visit a local player or two they seem to be striking out on.
Just wondering...how many games would this past seasons team have won if Abby didn't fall from the heavens?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on May 07, 2022, 05:37:27 PM
Well here is a local one that not only got away but headed to a divison foe-Kaeli Romanowski from Western Wayne scored 1583 pts all time scorer is 2nd team all state not bad just a few miles up the road from Scranton(She said that see saw Etown play at Scranton before she choose ETown I think that is like 5 th recruit I have seen for Etown.Then not sure about this other player up the street in Dunmore Kaci KransonHoly Cross another 1000 pt scorer not sure if she picked her school yet but another local basketball player that is a great player.So I will repeat if they brought in one recruit with all this transfer portal.My question is what the hell did you do for the year.Rule of thumb you should never have a lack in recruiting especially at a well established Powerhouse Program known for its women's basketball!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 16, 2022, 03:48:39 PM
 Abby Anderson's jersey chosen to be displayed(for 9 months, starting in July) in the Ring of Honor of the women's basketball HOF for her past season. Seemingly, someone on the nominating committee saw my praise for Abby's play this season.  ::)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 17, 2022, 01:59:17 PM
The Lady Royals land one of the best local players in the Scranton area in Kaci Kranson.
She's a 6'er that can handle the ball, rebound, shoot the 3 & drive to the hoop.
She's a 3 time Pennsylvania 1st. team All-State in both basketball & softball.
Accepted into the Physical Therapy M.A. program with a 3.99 overall high school
gpa.
Scored 33 pts. in a state playoff game this season & had numerous D-1 offers from UMass, Drexel, Binghamton, & Lehigh to name a few.
Coach DiPillo pulled a rabbit out of his hat with this catch.  ;)
Congrats to Kaci & the Lady Royals.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 17, 2022, 02:11:05 PM

PS...
Same high school as Abby.  ;)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on May 17, 2022, 02:37:02 PM
A rabbit out of his hat, indeed!  Last I heard, she wasn't sure if she would play basketball or softball in college and had 16 acceptances.

Hopefully she can bring a lot of the same mentality and ability that last Holy Cross graduate brought to the Lady Royals! :)

Welcome to the Long Center, Kaci!

Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on May 17, 2022, 03:06:19 PM
Well I retract my top^ Statement.Great article in the Scranton times about how she had 20 offers brought it down to 3 and Choose Scranton for Physical therapy!Great pick up something in that water up in Dunmore,Pa
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on May 17, 2022, 03:12:42 PM
Yes welcome Jenna Sloan and Kaci Kranson to the Long Center also.I still see one or two more coming thru transfer portal.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on May 17, 2022, 05:16:50 PM
 Congratulations To Coach Dipillo and his Wife on the birth of their bundle of joy!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 17, 2022, 09:30:32 PM
Quote from: saratoga on May 17, 2022, 02:11:05 PM

PS...
Same high school as Abby.  ;)

Abby was also a very good high school softballer.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on May 17, 2022, 09:42:20 PM
Racheal Rose will be attending Wofford College so staying in South Carolina great pick up for Wofford!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on May 17, 2022, 09:47:00 PM
I think Bishop O'Hara is Holy Cross today So another great player came from that school that played for the ladies My Favorite All time player Taryn Mellody -Liuzzo
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on May 17, 2022, 10:00:33 PM
Have to say that is awesome news on Abby Anderson!Will take a trip down to Knoxville to see H.O.F.Congratulations.Im amazed great job Lady Royals .
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 18, 2022, 08:55:05 AM
Per Scranton Times ( thanks Augie) it was down to Scranton and UMASS for hoops...not bad..


schedules should be out soon and maybe we'll get formal notification on recruits (men and women) in early June
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 18, 2022, 10:40:25 AM
 Does that mean it's basketball instead of softball?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on May 18, 2022, 11:37:21 AM
She will be playing both Ronk!But like Nepafan said Umass wanted her for Basketball,Lock Haven wanted her for softball and Scranton won her with the physical therapy Dept and how that program is involved in Community services.She said once she received and opened that letter from Scranton and was excepted that was it and her biggest supporters her mom and dad can watch her play!So she will play both.Nice article about Racheal Rose in the paper today and her Choice also.Nepafan I will send the article of Racheal rose .
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 18, 2022, 01:14:11 PM
That's a good reason to go D-III!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 18, 2022, 09:51:45 PM
 Goucher names new HC - Joya Whittington, formerly, HC @ Lackawanna.

Former Susquehanna HC Jim Reed retires from assistant @ Bucknell.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on June 02, 2022, 10:43:56 PM
MAC Hall of Fame - https://gomacsports.com/news/2022/5/23/general-mac-hall-of-fame-class-of-2022-announcements.aspx

DEANNA KYLE KLINGMAN, University of Scranton
Class of 1985 / Basketball

In 1985, Deanna Kyle averaged 18.1 points, 5.7 rebounds and 8.1 assists per game to lead the Lady Royals to a 31-1 record and their first-ever NCAA title. She was named the NCAA Division III Basketball Player of the Year, first-team all-American, and the tournament MVP of the Middle Atlantic Conference Northern Division.

Klingman was part of the Scranton coaching staff from 2002-07 to help the team to a 161-21 overall record including five MAC Freedom titles in the six year span. Scranton advanced to the NCAA tournament each year including two semifinal appearances in 2005 and 2006, a quarterfinal in 2004 and two second round appearances in 2002 and 2007.

Klingman was inducted into The University of Scranton Wall of Fame in 1994.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 06, 2022, 10:17:09 PM
 New Scranton Wall of Fame class includes 1 WBBer - Megan Kopecki. I remember talking with Mike Strong after the 3rd game of the year @ Messiah Megan's frosh year and saying to him that Megan looks like the real deal. She inspired me to scout for prospects because the Lady Royals weren't able to attract quality players in  Megan's 3 following years to complement her.
  I saw Megan's father Fred at a Lady Royals NCAA appearance in New Jersey a few years ago and he put me on to a coming prospect from Megan's high school; alas, that prospect chose Princeton instead and started for their NCAA tourney team this year.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on June 20, 2022, 04:24:09 PM
Another assistant to replace but congratulations to Kaitlyn Lewis moving up to become Assistant at Lehigh.Thank you
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 20, 2022, 07:20:37 PM
 Hopefully, Abby Anderson will become an assistant coach, if only as a grad assistant. She SHOWED the Lady Royals this past season how to compete, much better than mere words or ideas from any outside coaching possibility.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on June 20, 2022, 07:30:54 PM

Ronk:
Agree 100%.
Abby would make an outstanding coach & she most recently was chosen as one of only a select few to attend the national young coaches symposium.
Sign her on & keep the train moving.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on June 21, 2022, 01:11:30 PM
Scranton looking for New Head Coach!Good luck at Pitt Coach
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on June 21, 2022, 01:23:50 PM
Scranton hot bed for recruiting coaches.Blessed to have Coach Strong all those years !
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on June 21, 2022, 01:26:49 PM
DiPillo moving to Pitt as an assistant.
Not hard to believe considering he felt he was ready for D1 after only one season coaching at Scranton.
Very easy to tell the UofS was merely a stepping stone to him.
Hopefully, the next selection committee will look for someone wanting to build their own legacy and not just pad their resume.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 21, 2022, 01:30:39 PM
 But he was an assistant at D1 Seton Hall before Scranton; doesn't sound like a move up.
Ok, what's the spec on the new coaching choice?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on June 21, 2022, 01:50:20 PM

In brutal honesty, he may do better in the recruiting area since he'll now have money to offer.
As far as his recruiting at Scranton, in 3 years he brought in 0 impact players.
Of 9 recruits in that time that are on the roster, only 1 plays any significant minutes, all the rest sit.
All the scoring came from Trevor's last class.
I'd give his recruiting a grade of D in talent & C+ in numbers.
As I've said before, if Abby didn't fall into his lap this past year, they wouldn't have won more than 12 games.
Keep an eye on Coach Coleman at Bucknell or Gabby at Susquehanna.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 21, 2022, 02:01:20 PM
Maybe, Ryan van Zelst to keep him around for the men eventually.  ::)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on June 21, 2022, 02:20:10 PM
Keep it in league and go after Veronica Nolt!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on June 21, 2022, 06:19:19 PM

Pat:
Your updated info on DiPillo's hiring is a little off with its timeline.
After Deanna's 1 year, current Bucknell coach Trevor Woodruff then took over for 4 years before handing the reigns to Nick.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on June 21, 2022, 11:01:28 PM
Whoops!

Trevor, I remember him. Thanks for the correction.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on June 22, 2022, 01:52:28 AM
I don't see Dave  going with Gabby Holko!Seriously with a record of 27-22  in two season at Susquehanna that is not a great record to Start.Dave will go National with this search.Hopefully Saratoga Dave finds  someone that is not looking to 'Pad that Resume' but keep the program moving forward and as always a premier powerhouse in D3.Getting Gabby is like getting Coach Tara M from Wilkes NO THANKS!Coach Coleman think she is comfortable as assistant under Coach W!It will be interesting in the next month or two for A.D Martin -he has this figured out and he has been down this road and brought the Lady Royals two great coaches in the last 7 years after the top dog Coach Strong retired!Now just a waiting game!!!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 22, 2022, 10:36:54 AM
Quote from: ronk on June 21, 2022, 02:01:20 PM
Maybe, Ryan van Zelst to keep him around for the men eventually.  ::)

What pays more PSU Abington or Scranton?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on June 22, 2022, 11:43:04 AM

Kind of a risky move by DiPillo.
The current coach at Pitt has not won at all in his 4 years.
I can see the powers to be in Pantherland giving him two more years (tops) to turn the direction around or the whole staff will all be looking for new jobs...again.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 23, 2022, 09:26:38 AM
https://universityofscrantonjobs.com/postings/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&query=&query_v0_posted_at_date=&941=&1188=&query_position_type_id=1&commit=Search
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 23, 2022, 10:39:34 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on June 23, 2022, 09:26:38 AM
https://universityofscrantonjobs.com/postings/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&query=&query_v0_posted_at_date=&941=&1188=&query_position_type_id=1&commit=Search

Interesting requirement for the MBB assistant position: able to stand for 6 hours - did someone remove the office chair?    ::)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on June 23, 2022, 01:18:20 PM

Seems like an ADA violation waiting to happen.  ;)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on June 23, 2022, 06:50:07 PM
I see Haverford is looking for a coach also not sure why?Stephanie Caredio had one year finished 18-8 and I think had the number 1 defense!So I'm leading to a lady  Head Coach like Veronica Nolt or Stephanie Careido(Hope right spelling).Before you know it the season will be starting!I also have to agree with Padding your resume but that is 95% of coaches in D3 we just got lucky with Coach Strong and Coach Bessior
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on June 24, 2022, 01:17:22 PM
Interesting that Carideo left Haverford. She did a really good job at Penn State-Abington previously.

Her husband is the head MBB coach at Widener and all of her jobs have been in the Philly Metro area -- Men's assistant at Philly U, Assistant at Penn, WBB head coach at Haverford. Might be tough to sell her on driving up and down I-476 to Scranton.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 24, 2022, 02:45:12 PM

Haverford has a new AD, right?  I guess that change made the difference one way or another.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on June 24, 2022, 08:02:15 PM
I don't think a program like Scranton womens basketball is a hard sell to anyone.I mean we can't keep coaches they move on to D1 so I do not find it to be a hard sell!I think the Coach that was at Drew commuted everyday from Allentown area now he is at home at Moravian!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on June 24, 2022, 09:35:59 PM
I agree on the program itself. Scranton shouldn't be a hard sell based on its history, facilities, etc.

The drive north and south on the NE Extension during the winter would be a dealbreaker for me, but I'm not a candidate. More power to people who want do that commute.

The first person who came to mind was another coach from the Philly area -- Kate Pearson at Cabrini.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on June 24, 2022, 11:59:16 PM
Kate from what I heard is happy at Cabrini,Another former player would be Kelly Lewandowski HC at Salisbury!We will find out in July I think July 6th is closing date.Martin is probably saying the last 7 years I need another Women's Head Coach(so far 2 in 7 years).Amazing Strong at the U for over 3 decades he retires 2 coaches in 7 years all because of the success of that program!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on June 25, 2022, 11:22:28 PM
I'm going to throw one other name out there Emily Garner she is from VA played at Lafayette.Head Coach at Trinity?So I have Veronica Nolt Etown,Careido Haverford or Garner Trinity all Head Coaches.Not bad Selection.Ronk have not heard from you besides Ryan but he is coach at PS -Abington?Nepafan have a guess?Toga said Gabby HC Susquehanna or former assistant Taylor Coleman Bucknell.Just trying yo get names circulated
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 26, 2022, 01:47:23 AM
 If it's a current D3 HC, I'll guess Kelly Lewandowski Baskow from Salisbury; don't think she'll ever outrecruit Bill Broderick(CNU) in their conference @ Salisbury and Scranton would be closer to "home" than Salisbury.
  If it's a current D1 assistant, I'll need a little more time to come up with a possibility.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on June 26, 2022, 10:09:13 AM

To be clear...all I'm saying is I could see both Gabby & Taylor applying for the position.
I am in no way inferring either of them will be the final choice.
However, I will go out on a limb & say there is no way Emily Garner leaves Trinity.
She has put together a really nice team over the past few seasons, has two quality D-1 transfers playing & the NESCAC ROY from a few years back, plus she coaches at a great school in a top tier conference.
Whoever they get better sell the committee on their recruiting ability since DiPillo did very little in the way of bringing in impact players over his 3 years.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on June 26, 2022, 12:29:21 PM

PS.
The same with Veronica...she's got a great situation at E-town.
She's from there, went to school at the Ville, runs coaching & skills programs throughout the Lancaster/Lebanon area & has a family.
She's set at E-town.

Another possibility to apply...
Former Lady Royal standout & current Asst. Coach at Dartmouth...Meredith Mesaris.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on June 26, 2022, 07:17:26 PM
All I will say the Name alone Scranton women basketball sells itself.I understand some people are settled but this job comes once in a lifetime and nothing against other teams but I can see either coach jumping at this opportunity just like if Amherst,Bowdoin,Hope job was open.Like you said Saratoga- Dipillo used this as a jumping stone I think alot of coaches would after what Coach Strong built.So we shall wait again for 3rd Coach in 7 years.What I like is the ladies will be involved in the process!So it closes on the July 6th hopefully have a Head Coach by the end of July!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on June 26, 2022, 08:38:08 PM

I hope whomever the committee lands on for their choice has head coaching experience that they are bringing to the table.
Scranton should not be a position given to someone without an established resume.
Nor is this position for the faint of heart.  ;)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 26, 2022, 10:19:00 PM
 Just wondering if the AD may make a directed inquiry to a coach who hasn't applied or is restricted to only those who have applied?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on June 26, 2022, 11:00:36 PM

I would think the AD looking for a coach would need to receive written permission from the school AD with the coach being sought that a conversation could be held.
Otherwise, I see this as tampering as well as a sure way to get yourself & school blacklisted.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 26, 2022, 11:12:14 PM

Unless a particular conference has rules about contacting coaches, I think it's all fair game.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on June 26, 2022, 11:37:45 PM
Yes agree Ryan -I think talking to another coach from another team  is not tampering.Matter of fact I think today they have agents you  need to talk with them not the coach !I know the NCAA is legit when  it comes to students and coaches talking that is a big no no (Coach Danzing found out the hard way)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 27, 2022, 12:01:54 AM
 I'm thinking that when Trevor was hired as Scranton's WBB that he was Miseri's MBB HC, had never coached women, and probably never would have thought of applying for the Scranton women's position unless his former AD broached the possibility. But I could be wrong.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on June 27, 2022, 10:28:03 AM
Hey, you leave Emily Garner at Trinity alone! I want to see what she can do there! :)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on June 27, 2022, 10:44:53 AM

Gordon:
She's doing a great job there & looks to be set for the foreseeable future.

Regarding Trevor & Dave...I read an article when they first both came on board that Trevor made the decision to apply for the women's opening before he knew Dave had landed the AD job.
Still say an AD contacting a coach at another school without going through that schools AD is committing a self inflicted wound.
Want to become persona non grata among other AD's, try this & see how well it goes over.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on June 27, 2022, 12:49:37 PM
Quote from: ronk on June 27, 2022, 12:01:54 AM
I'm thinking that when Trevor was hired as Scranton's WBB that he was Miseri's MBB HC, had never coached women, and probably never would have thought of applying for the Scranton women's position unless his former AD broached the possibility. But I could be wrong.
As Saratoga pointed out, this statement couldn't be more wrong.





Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on June 27, 2022, 01:16:10 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on June 27, 2022, 12:49:37 PM
Quote from: ronk on June 27, 2022, 12:01:54 AM
I'm thinking that when Trevor was hired as Scranton's WBB that he was Miseri's MBB HC, had never coached women, and probably never would have thought of applying for the Scranton women's position unless his former AD broached the possibility. But I could be wrong.
As Saratoga pointed out, this statement couldn't be more wrong.

It could be more wrong.  Ronk could have said he was Marywood's Assistant coach and had coached women all his life.  ;D
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 27, 2022, 01:42:04 PM
Quote from: saratoga on June 27, 2022, 10:44:53 AM

Gordon:
She's doing a great job there & looks to be set for the foreseeable future.

Regarding Trevor & Dave...I read an article when they first both came on board that Trevor made the decision to apply for the women's opening before he knew Dave had landed the AD job.
Still say an AD contacting a coach at another school without going through that schools AD is committing a self inflicted wound.
Want to become persona non grata among other AD's, try this & see how well it goes over.

Was this article in some Scranton Hoops insider magazine I am not aware of?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 27, 2022, 02:31:47 PM
 Another question re the Scranton BB coaching changes:
May Kaitlyn Lewis @ Lehigh or Ryan @ PS-Abington recruit for their new schools anyone they were recruiting for Scranton? By the same token, this would apply to the new Scranton coaching hires.
 
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on June 27, 2022, 02:52:34 PM

NEPA:
Nothing nefarious or secretive.
I suggest you refer to the article written by Derek Leverse of the Dallas Post (Pa.) dated August 27, 2015.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 27, 2022, 04:44:00 PM
Quote from: ronk on June 27, 2022, 02:31:47 PM
Another question re the Scranton BB coaching changes:
May Kaitlyn Lewis @ Lehigh or Ryan @ PS-Abington recruit for their new schools anyone they were recruiting for Scranton? By the same token, this would apply to the new Scranton coaching hires.


They may. Whether they will or not likely depends on their own ethical code. Also, many recruits connect more with a coach than a school and might want to move. I don't know how much crossover Abington has with Scranton in terms of student profile. Does it even make sense to recruit the same kids?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on June 27, 2022, 07:14:08 PM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on June 27, 2022, 01:16:10 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on June 27, 2022, 12:49:37 PM
Quote from: ronk on June 27, 2022, 12:01:54 AM
I'm thinking that when Trevor was hired as Scranton's WBB that he was Miseri's MBB HC, had never coached women, and probably never would have thought of applying for the Scranton women's position unless his former AD broached the possibility. But I could be wrong.
As Saratoga pointed out, this statement couldn't be more wrong.

It could be more wrong.  Ronk could have said he was Marywood's Assistant coach and had coached women all his life.  ;D

That would be a different statement.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: itsnotmeitsyou on June 27, 2022, 11:18:06 PM
Quote from: saratoga on June 26, 2022, 11:00:36 PM

I would think the AD looking for a coach would need to receive written permission from the school AD with the coach being sought that a conversation could be held.
Otherwise, I see this as tampering as well as a sure way to get yourself & school blacklisted.

I see my search for the person most unfamiliar with the D3 coaching search process has ended here in the Landmark Conference WBB room...

Next on my list: finding a person who actually pours milk into his bowl FIRST, then adds cereal. I'm told they exist, but it's got to be an urban myth.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on June 28, 2022, 01:38:07 AM
I have alot more names to pull out but one that might be interesting is Head Coach Michael Coppolino from George fox.Originally Head coach at Mt St Mary's D3 turned that program completely around and went totally from the East Coast to the West Coast.Maybe he makes that jump again im just throwing great coaches at the Lady Royals lol.I have about another 20.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on June 28, 2022, 08:12:00 AM
Itsnot:
I think your search needs to continue a bit longer.
With over 20 years coaching experience on the D3 & D2 level, I've been around a few coaching changes within the department & I've worked for some of the best AD's in the business including the National AD of the year.
While contacting a coach at another school may not technically be against any NCAA rule, doing so without first contacting a schools AD is unethical & that's how I know the people I worked with would handle this situation.
Then again, that's just me...you be you.
Classic... 52 smites in just 89 posts is pretty impressive.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on June 28, 2022, 10:36:34 AM
I'm going to pour milk in my cereal first the next time I eat it.

Who knows what wonders await! :)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 29, 2022, 11:28:24 AM
Any rumors from Linden Street?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on June 29, 2022, 06:28:56 PM

The construction of the football stadium is beautiful & well ahead of schedule.  ;D
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on July 03, 2022, 12:22:49 AM
One thing I will say hopefully the next Head  Coach has been out recruiting and has an idea for recruits.One thing I didn't like is Dipillo leaving the cupboard bare - with his recruiting this year!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on July 05, 2022, 02:40:01 AM
Well if I am reading in between the lines I think the next Head Coach for the Lady Royals will be Meredith Mesaris.Looked up Dartmouth no longer assistant on that team.I noticed ex assistant Sheila Cook said on June 24th it was nice catching up with former player Meredith Mesaris but called her Coach.So maybe I'm reading into to much but I think she will be next Head Coach at Scranton!It is only a guess but sometimes you read between the lines!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on July 05, 2022, 03:29:34 PM
High quality sleuthing right there. :)

I forgot that Mesaris was on Shible's staff at Dartmouth.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on July 05, 2022, 09:40:26 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on July 05, 2022, 02:40:01 AM
Well if I am reading in between the lines I think the next Head Coach for the Lady Royals will be Meredith Mesaris.Looked up Dartmouth no longer assistant on that team.I noticed ex assistant Sheila Cook said on June 24th it was nice catching up with former player Meredith Mesaris but called her Coach.So maybe I'm reading into to much but I think she will be next Head Coach at Scranton!It is only a guess but sometimes you read between the lines!

There's a tweet today from Dartmouth women's basketball that the coaches are on the road these days for AAU tourneys(among them, Meredith is in Louisville). I'm remembering that Meredith wasn't hired as an official coach but some other position(unpaid assistant?), so she may not have ever been listed as a coach to this point. Doesn't mean she won't apply and/or get hired by Scranton.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on July 05, 2022, 10:29:23 PM
Yes but go back to 2021-22 Meredith is an assistant and her picture is on the coaching staff,Go to 2022-23-Meredith is no longer up as assistant Coach! I can be wrong  about her becoming Head Coach but I was just putting that and Meredith Former assistant coach convo on Twitter.Because I still follow her as an eye opener.But tomorrow the Job closes .So soon we will Hear who it is!!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on July 05, 2022, 10:40:35 PM
Also Shible just hired 3 coaches on June 29 2022 only one that stayed was Sarah Assante!Jamie Insel played at Tufts,Victoria Lux and Colleen Corcora
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on July 06, 2022, 09:20:11 AM

Meredith may certainly apply, as will 100 others.
What doesn't add up is that both she & another asst. coach both disappear off the radar at Dartmouth shortly after the season concludes.
You don't quit your day job for another when there is no promise of the position, you wait until the offer is made.
In addition, since Dartmouth is now announcing their new coaches for 2022/23 means those positions were posted at least back to early June to give candidates the time to apply & then interview.
Personally, I'm hoping their next coach has previous head coaching experience so we don't have another Dipillo situation.
He came in as Mr. WNBA, used all of Trevor's recruits to win, added a star in Abby this past year after her playing 3 years of D-1 ball & rolls out of town without bringing in even 1 impact player in his 3 years.
He may have some serious talent on the roster, he just never played anyone beyond his standard 7/8 kids to ever know.
His loss is no big deal, the fact he did a poor job restocking the cupboard is.



Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on July 06, 2022, 12:15:54 PM
That second Dartmouth assistant who disappeared may be Megan Phelps who's the new head coach at Bowdoin.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on July 06, 2022, 12:25:52 PM

Could be, but I was looking at Lydia Caputi (also a Bowdoin alum).
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on July 06, 2022, 04:47:32 PM
Ronk is this the busiest part of recruiting the month of July?Coaches not picked yet will be behind the 8 ball.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on July 06, 2022, 07:21:37 PM
 It's the busiest viewing month of the year, at least as far as D1 schools are concerned. They have restricted viewing periods the remainder of the year. Hence, all the tweets from the coaching staffs about which tourneys they'll be attending this month, if only to remind the prospects that they're offering that they're interested and will be watching their play. Many offers will be made by the end of July and then August is used by prospects to visit campuses before their senior year starts in September. Maybe, AD Dave Martin will hire Abby Anderson as a grad assistant to conduct the campus visits by prospects recruited by  DiPillo previously and the other ones that are self-interested by the Scranton program's reputation.
  Hopefully, the new Scranton hire can bring their prospect contacts with them from their previous school, especially if it's a Patriot or Ivy League assistant coach, for example. If one is looking for impact players, that would be the level of competition for Scranton. There will still be that gap where Scranton will not have any attention showered on prospects until the the new hire.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on July 06, 2022, 09:10:19 PM

And, let's remember, these "prospects" are all juniors & soph's.
The senior class of 2022 have already made their choice...although extenuating circumstances like coaching changes can always lead to Plan B.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on July 07, 2022, 10:55:31 AM
Royal researchers a busy in the basement of the computer lab on Campus scouring social media for any news. Also look for white smoke from the hill section to signal a decision has been made.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on July 07, 2022, 01:15:36 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on July 08, 2022, 08:43:51 PM
Watching run 4 the roses out of Kentucky 1019 coaches are there d1,d2,d3,Juco,Naia.Then it will be from Chicago .I wonder if anyone from Scranton is in the house?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on July 08, 2022, 10:04:38 PM
 Probably Becky Burke  ;)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on July 08, 2022, 10:19:18 PM
 Catholic tweeted that they were there; didn't guess their budget would support that. i may check with Coach Donahue later in the month.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on July 08, 2022, 10:55:46 PM
So the last game put Phee elite against Griffin elite well the coach at Griffin is the head coach at Webster and they talked about how she was 25-1 at d3 Webster her daughter plays on that team but they only had 7 players and played tough.So espn 2(209) will have it from Chicago also they dont show all games but they show championship games.So maybe Martin is there recruiting since no coach yet.Also Abby Anderson is giving basketball lessons to all ages in the area at riverfront.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on July 11, 2022, 09:50:48 AM
Tragic  event  at the run for roses top player in country Ava Jones who was going to Iowa in critical condition with her mom and her dad was killed by drunk driver while they were walking
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on July 11, 2022, 04:45:20 PM
My deepest condolence go out to the Athletic Department sad day.Prayers and Thoughts go out from this long standing Royal fan.God Bless
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on July 13, 2022, 12:06:59 PM
 Catholic adds D1 transfer from Loyola(MD) Keegan Douglas 5-7 PG (2025).
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 13, 2022, 05:04:58 PM
Is there a big difference in level between Loyola and Catholic or a general Top 40 D-III team?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on July 13, 2022, 06:32:42 PM
 Not a "big", but some difference - the top 2 players on D3 top 20 teams(I wouldn't go as far as top 40) generally could play on Loyola; I'd say no difference at all for last season's Hope squad or the recent St. Thomas More teams or the recent back-to-back Amherst title winners.
  Didn't see Keegan Douglas play AAU because of the pandemic but I expect her to challenge for Landmark all-conference.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: itsnotmeitsyou on July 15, 2022, 11:06:56 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 13, 2022, 05:04:58 PM
Is there a big difference in level between Loyola and Catholic or a general Top 40 D-III team?
Yes.

And any further explanation or description of why would be lost on any person asking the aforementioned question.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: itsnotmeitsyou on July 15, 2022, 11:10:15 PM
Quote from: saratoga on June 28, 2022, 08:12:00 AM
Itsnot:
I think your search needs to continue a bit longer.
With over 20 years coaching experience on the D3 & D2 level, I've been around a few coaching changes within the department & I've worked for some of the best AD's in the business including the National AD of the year.
While contacting a coach at another school may not technically be against any NCAA rule, doing so without first contacting a schools AD is unethical & that's how I know the people I worked with would handle this situation.
Then again, that's just me...you be you.
Classic... 52 smites in just 89 posts is pretty impressive.

Happens all day, every day - and twice on Sundays.

As an avid golfer, -52 is an ode to athletic talent and skill!

(P.S. if I'm not going to ask someone for their advice, why would I put ANY value in their criticism?)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on July 17, 2022, 09:06:26 PM
 Moravian WBB on a European trip to play 3 games in France and Germany
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on July 19, 2022, 02:53:58 PM
any news on the lady royals' search?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on July 21, 2022, 09:14:49 PM
Nepafan-I saw the white smoke coming from that side of town only to be a false alarm!(Choo Choo Train).I was told from a couple sources it is very tight lip at the U.So my guess is they have Coach He or She will be named soon!.I'm just thinking is it Geno Auriemma taking over or how about Kim Mulkey,Tara VanDerveer or it might be one of the G.O.A.T at coaching Herbie MCGee (By the way a couple Lady Royals went to him for his shooting classes).So today it has been a month since Coach Dipillo Left and Assistant Coach Lewis left a day earlier,So it might be announced Tomorrow or next Friday!Big recruiting this week in Manheim,Pa also I think spooky nook was this week also.(Hopefully someone there  from the U recruiting )Good old friend from Cathoic Coach D is all over !!!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on July 22, 2022, 01:12:07 PM
Augie2020, NEPAFan:

Check your personal messages.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on July 22, 2022, 11:03:29 PM

Word on the street has it that the UofS has an agreement with their new women's basketball coach.
I'll defer to their SID to give the particulars.
I'll just say the new coach is from the Scranton area & has coached women's b-ball many years & in that time, has developed many kids into D-1, II, and D-III programs.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on July 22, 2022, 11:58:34 PM
Great 8 year record speaks for itself 190 -32 until 2016!But transition from High School to college is big!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: RogK on July 23, 2022, 12:57:37 AM
saratoga, I know your source for the word on the street :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8hTAr7Nw4I
:)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on July 23, 2022, 01:34:48 AM

Exactly...good old Frank comes through.  ;)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on July 23, 2022, 04:20:33 PM
To add to what I posted this coach in 2020 hit the 300th win Mark in 12 seasons at same School and is (Young and knows x and o)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on July 26, 2022, 11:19:13 AM
Well it is official!

https://athletics.scranton.edu/sports/wbkb/2021-22/releases/20220726fr047h


Local guy with deep roots in the area.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on July 26, 2022, 11:21:26 AM
 Scranton officially announces WBB HC selection as Ben O'Brien from Dunmore High School; takes over Aug 1.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on July 26, 2022, 01:00:30 PM
Welcome to the U, Coach O'Brien!

Now he just needs to get the current players and the incoming recruits on board, hire an assistant (Abby would make a great grad assistant, but he'll need someone full time) and hit the recruiting trail quickly to minimize the lost opportunities.  :)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on July 26, 2022, 07:04:28 PM

This is a great hire that will once again give the Lady Royals some long term stability.
A proven winner with his kids playing everywhere from the UofS to North Carolina and all points in between.
The other great option Ben brings is his complete understanding of local talent and all the coaches.
The immediate need will be to make contact with the best juniors out there and hit the ground running with recruiting...something the most recent coach failed to do to any measurable extent in his 3 years at the helm.
All the best Ben.

Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on July 27, 2022, 12:00:50 AM
This might be Dipillos best recruiting Class Jenna sloan(Great player can play the game ) Kaci Kranson ( alot of d1 wanted her enough said)Maybe Morgan Griffin says top 50 players from Staten Island that says enough)!I trust Dave Martin to pick the best candidate for this job knowing what it means to the Ladies,Community and to keep that tradition in D3.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on July 27, 2022, 06:28:54 PM
8 candiates-- whittled down to 4---then to 1 per the Scranton Times
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on July 27, 2022, 09:16:15 PM
 Sometimes, a player rep is part of the interview process(team concerns and ultimate buy-in); I'd guess Bridget as the PG and rising senior would be the choice.
  It would be interesting to know who those 4 finalists were but confidentiality probably eliminates that as a possibility.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on July 28, 2022, 01:10:46 AM
Ronk( not sure )a Student rep was involved in the process this time.I think it is made up of 8 members or head coaches of the University of Scranton Teams !I know 4 of them on it but will not put it out here.Like it said in the times he will be hired August 1st and first order will be putting  a staff together and meeting the team.He should be familiar with a couple players on the team already (Local players).But main thing is setting up shop!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on July 29, 2022, 09:19:19 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on July 27, 2022, 12:00:50 AM
This might be Dipillos best recruiting Class Jenna sloan(Great player can play the game ) Kaci Kranson ( alot of d1 wanted her enough said)Maybe Morgan Griffin says top 50 players from Staten Island that says enough)!I trust Dave Martin to pick the best candidate for this job knowing what it means to the Ladies,Community and to keep that tradition in D3.
make it 4 recruits
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on July 29, 2022, 11:12:17 PM
Should be some great games down at St petersburg tournament Dec 19th,20th.4 teams I know will be playing  [Trine vs North Park 19th]-[Trine vs Wartburg 20th]also Wartburg vs Scranton on the 19th searching for second game wish it was Trine but some powerhouses in this tourney!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on August 11, 2022, 10:04:51 PM

I know Kaci committed to the UofS a few months back, but beside the war in Ukraine, drought in Europe and on the West coast & the recent issues at Mar A Lago, it's been a slow news day.  ;)

Enjoy...school starts in just 2 weeks.


https://www.thetimes-tribune.com/sports/college/high-school-kranson-commits-to-university-of-scranton/article_f0218887-fbca-51b0-a9b1-aaa0c66024d6.html
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on August 18, 2022, 12:37:52 PM
Nice Article-So all together 4 recruits coming in for Coach Obrien and some great players from last year's sweet 16.Will miss Abby as we do every year with a player of her greatness but I think Kaci will help fill that void a lot also the Sophmore class has some outstanding players that will be used hopefully under Obrien!Just waiting on Assistant Coach,Schedule and before you know it GameDay will be here hate the weather love the sport and UofS Basketball
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on August 18, 2022, 06:45:16 PM

Augie:
I know Kaci is coming plus the young lady from Syracuse & the soccer/basketball player from LI.
Who is the 4th. recruit?
Thanks
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on August 18, 2022, 10:06:38 PM
Hope all is well with family Saratoga.The lady that will be the 4th player joining the Lady Royals will be out of powerhouse St John Vianney played with 3 d 1 players Page Knutsen 6 footer.I received that info from a friend on this board!!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on August 19, 2022, 11:34:29 AM

Thanks Augie.
All the best to everyone.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on August 24, 2022, 10:28:24 AM
any rumors on the assistant?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on August 24, 2022, 09:50:49 PM
Nothing Nepafan if it wasnt for people finding out about players coming to the U or other media Platforms announcing the new HC.I think we would still be guessing who the HC snd players coming in our.Just like Frank that was out on twitter 2 months ago and the Sid or Assistant Sid finally got to it!Truly understsnd what happened but the whole dept didn't Stop.Do we have 1 player announced 1 Head Coach and 8 games.Like toga said Kevin did this by himself.SMH 
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on September 01, 2022, 09:13:24 AM
Meredith Mesaris is transitioning back to DIII:

https://hartfordhawks.com/news/2022/8/31/thomason-adds-mesaris-to-womens-basketball-coaching-staff.aspx
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on September 08, 2022, 03:23:37 PM

Lady Royals 22/23 schedule is finally posted.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on September 08, 2022, 03:28:20 PM

Some of it.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on September 08, 2022, 05:50:46 PM
 thats a great schedule!!!!That Hoboken Tournament damn and St Petes!!!!Talk about big games wow you have a couple in this schedule.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 08, 2022, 06:20:07 PM
 2nd opponent @ Gwynedd-Mercy tourney will be either the host school or Del Valley; Rhodes was 23-3 last season; George Fox was an uncharacteristic 12-14; 2nd day opponent @ Stevens tourney will be Tufts or Stevens; looks like no Poinsettia Classic this year.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 09, 2022, 08:34:46 PM
That's a good schedule.

George Fox should be back in contention in the NWC and, even if the Bruins aren't, that'll give the Lady Royals experience against the types of long, athletic wings that you don't see much in this part of the country but you do see in the NCAA Tournament.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on September 10, 2022, 02:53:09 PM
Yes Gordon a couple years ago down in Nashville,The Lady Royals played Wheaton from Illinois you want to talk about tall and length holy cow.That team was and Scranton beat them.I have to say the Lady Royals always makes sure they play top teams in tournaments.The new Assistant is in place and a transfer from a local college (best scorer on that team ) decided to become a Lady Royal also. 
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 14, 2022, 08:47:53 PM
Ryan,
  From our discussion on the men's Landmark board concerning regional games on Scranton's schedule:
  it looks like Scranton is eligible for the NCAA tourney because at least 70% of its games are in region, but since Rhodes, Wartburg, and George Fox are NOT in region, they won't be counted in the regional rankings in February which are used for Pool C selections and hosting decisions. Is that correct?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 14, 2022, 10:33:11 PM
Quote from: ronk on September 14, 2022, 08:47:53 PM
Ryan,
  From our discussion on the men's Landmark board concerning regional games on Scranton's schedule:
  it looks like Scranton is eligible for the NCAA tourney because at least 70% of its games are in region, but since Rhodes, Wartburg, and George Fox are NOT in region, they won't be counted in the regional rankings in February which are used for Pool C selections and hosting decisions. Is that correct?

No, all d3 games count, as long as 70% are in region.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 15, 2022, 09:38:47 AM
Yep, and if you're seeing games not marked regional, that's probably an error on the part of whomever entered the schedule. Not that we're complaining! I wish more schools entered their schedule so we didn't have to.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 15, 2022, 10:31:52 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 11, 2022, 07:29:31 AM
Quote from: ronk on September 10, 2022, 11:47:08 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on September 10, 2022, 08:40:39 AM
Quote from: Great Day to be a Royal on September 09, 2022, 10:19:44 AM
Quote from: ronk on September 07, 2022, 06:09:24 PM
Royals' schedule has been released; Lycoming and Wash & Lee in Puerto Rico. WRT Lyco, it's unfortunate that they don't play someone from a region that they couldn't normally schedule on their own, especially with Lyco being a conference foe the following season.

I believe schools do not want to schedule out of region games as it has impact on regional rankings. Unless that is a thing of the past...

It's basically a thing of the past, I believe.

I've read that previously, probably by Ryan, but according to the FAQ on this site, the Lady Royals' games this coming season against Rhodes, Wartburg, and George Fox would NOT be regional games.

The FAQ starts with this line;

"Practically speaking nearly all games between two full members of NCAA Division III are considered regional now."

So long as a program plays 70% of its games against teams that are "in-region" via the classic definition, then all of its games against D-III members (or third-year provisional members) are considered in-region.

Scranton will easily qualify, as do basically all teams in conferences. These are regional games.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 15, 2022, 10:40:35 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 15, 2022, 09:38:47 AM
Yep, and if you're seeing games not marked regional, that's probably an error on the part of whomever entered the schedule. Not that we're complaining! I wish more schools entered their schedule so we didn't have to.

This was I analyzing on my own the three games as non-regional, not the case of someone marking them as not regional. Just wanted to get the situation established before the season starts and avoiding surprises.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 15, 2022, 03:26:34 PM
Yep, it's no different than when Scranton played Wheaton (Ill.) a few years back. It's been like this for a good while.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 15, 2022, 05:06:58 PM
Quote from: ronk on September 15, 2022, 10:40:35 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 15, 2022, 09:38:47 AM
Yep, and if you're seeing games not marked regional, that's probably an error on the part of whomever entered the schedule. Not that we're complaining! I wish more schools entered their schedule so we didn't have to.

This was I analyzing on my own the three games as non-regional, not the case of someone marking them as not regional. Just wanted to get the situation established before the season starts and avoiding surprises.

Every conference automatically counts as in-region, even for the UAA, so it's very unusual that a team would even be close to the 70% line unless there's a geographic issue.  UCSC and pre-ARC NWU, for example.  It's not a difficult threshold to meet anymore.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 23, 2022, 06:37:21 PM
 Elizabethtown gets 2 commits from my prospect list; Coach Nolt has recruited well these past 3 seasons among the Pennsylvania prospects.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on September 23, 2022, 09:32:24 PM

When you can finally say the same thing & the commits are going to Scranton, we are going to throw a party in your honor.
Hang in there...you're getting closer.  ;D
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on September 26, 2022, 03:39:55 PM
Official announcement from Scranton about the addition of three assistant coaches:  Jess Rini, along with Scranton Prep's Cathy Genco and the return of Canio Cianci to the Lady Royals' bench:

https://athletics.scranton.edu/sports/wbkb/2022-23/releases/20220926mhnjb8
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 26, 2022, 04:29:39 PM
 Ole!  I go back nearly 60 years with Canio to balling on the outdoor court @ Prep and talked with him as recently as last season's ncaa tourney game in Scranton.
  Had Jess Genco on my 2015 prospect list; assuming she's a daughter of new coach Cathy Genco.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on September 26, 2022, 05:05:14 PM
Quote from: ronk on September 26, 2022, 04:29:39 PM
Ole!  I go back nearly 60 years with Canio to balling on the outdoor court @ Prep and talked with him as recently as last season's ncaa tourney game in Scranton.
  Had Jess Genco on my 2015 prospect list; assuming she's a daughter of new coach Cathy Genco.

Yep.

https://nuhuskies.com/sports/womens-basketball/roster/jess-genco/5243
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 26, 2022, 05:13:49 PM
thanks for the confirmation; it might elevate their regard for my evaluations   :)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on September 26, 2022, 09:29:31 PM
Husband/Father also is a UofS Alumni and Wall of fame player Gerard Genco.Brought one of those final four trophies you see in the lobby home to Scranton.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 26, 2022, 10:20:56 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on September 26, 2022, 09:29:31 PM
Husband/Father also is a UofS Alumni and Wall of fame player Gerard Genco.Brought one of those final four trophies you see in the lobby home to Scranton.

And sponsor of Royals' basketball broadcasts on WUSR and over the internet.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on September 28, 2022, 08:55:16 AM
Clear emphasis on local coaching...retaining the talent in NEPA.....now to get the Long Center filled on those cold winter nights..
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on September 28, 2022, 02:51:21 PM
Wow Lady Royals and Susquehanna will be playing at the palestra Jan 15 awesome!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 28, 2022, 03:31:57 PM
Very cool!

it's a great place to play.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 28, 2022, 04:17:29 PM
 As I have mentioned before, playing in the Palestra as part of a triple-header, featuring a Big 5 battle between St. Joe and Penn in the nightcap, was the highlight of my Scranton "career" 60 years ago. Happy that the Lady Royals will have the opportunity!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on September 29, 2022, 10:00:48 AM
Very cool!  I love the atmosphere and the history of the Palestra.  Plus it's good for the team to get some more exposure in the Philly area...
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 29, 2022, 10:51:24 AM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on September 29, 2022, 10:00:48 AM
Very cool!  I love the atmosphere and the history of the Palestra.  Plus it's good for the team to get some more exposure in the Philly area...

Over the years, it's been the primary recruiting area for Lady Royals; 2nd, probably northern NJ; 3rd, Long Island(new coach Jessica Rini should become a factor with Long Island); with the strides forward of NEPA ball in the past 5 years, that area could be significant in the near future with  Coach O'Brien.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on September 29, 2022, 11:23:44 AM
Agreed.  I'm just glad that they are playing more in the Philly area, in addition to recruiting there. 
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on September 29, 2022, 11:44:32 AM
To add to the Palestras other games are set for this great day so the womens side has Drew vs Moravian is the other women's
's game and in the men's game we have Juniata vs Etown and Catholic vs Goucher!Games are tentatively set for noon,230,5pmand 730pm.This will be a great day for the landmark also.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 29, 2022, 11:50:53 AM
 This Palestra game plus the Gwynedd-Mercy tipoff tourney in Nov should take care of this season with that regard.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on October 15, 2022, 10:04:12 PM
First day of practice for all.Also if you have twitter Lady Royals pick up another recruit out of jersey for 2023!Roster should be coming out they have two scrimmages @ Desales and @Montclair st both away
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 16, 2022, 09:15:46 AM
Thanks for the intel!!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on October 17, 2022, 09:35:30 PM
Roster is up
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 19, 2022, 09:57:39 AM
https://twitter.com/ScrantonWBB/status/1582489344912560134?s=20&t=Vz0DKpRc2RSyl850h95dnw

Getting close now.....
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on October 26, 2022, 12:32:34 AM
Well getting close to tip off.Favorite time of the year Women's and Men's basketball nothing like d3.Im healthy both knees  are complete so back to following my team's!So roster is up any surprises you see on the roster?Im a local guy I didn't know Kranson scored over 1850 pts wow that is stellar and the addition of Rajza.One other question lady Royals will be ranked ..in the Landmark and what in the d3hoops polls?In the D3 I see NYU being number 1?They lose nothing  from last years team elite 8 so 5 starters and the 6th off the bench that actually killed the Lady Royals in the sweet 16 at Hope last year (Shelton) 17pts
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 26, 2022, 10:34:22 AM
 Good to hear you're healthy - you, I, and Canio as a group will be entering the new season with good knees for the 1st time in a long while.   ;)
  Agree that NYU should be #1 in preseason with Hope close behind. Have talked with NYU asst @ aau tourneys a couple of times since last year's sectionals and she's optimistic about this season.
  Only thing about roster - there could be an addition from the soccer team when their season concludes in November. She had good play in her high school years on Long Island. 
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 31, 2022, 01:21:18 PM
 Top 25 preseason poll is out - Lady Royals @ #10; opponents: Ithaca #24, ORV - Wartburg, Catholic
Loss of Kyra Quigley might have lowered them to ~ #20, if it had been known at the time of voting.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on October 31, 2022, 02:02:23 PM

The Lady Royals will be fine should the other bigs improve their game and actually contribute at both ends of the court.
If not, there will be problems.
Biggest omission of this Top 20 is Trinity (Conn.).
They were very good last year & they were young...this season they will start 3 D-1 transfers & will have experience.
Beware of the Bantoms!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on November 05, 2022, 06:10:00 PM
I know this is womens basketball board.On another note Congrats to the Women's and Men's Soccer team for winning the conference.Also Good luck to the Women's Volleyball team against Penn States Jv Juniata) #2 in the country tonight.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 05, 2022, 06:21:50 PM
 Based solely on the rosters, I see the Landmark race as follows:
1 Scranton
2 Catholic
3 Etown
4-5 Moravian Drew
6 Susquehanna
7-8 Juniata Goucher
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 05, 2022, 06:26:08 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on November 05, 2022, 06:10:00 PM
I know this is womens basketball board.On another note Congrats to the Women's and Men's Soccer team for winning the conference.Also Good luck to the Women's Volleyball team against Penn States Jv Juniata) #2 in the country tonight.
Watched most of women's soccer - even for 1st half, Lady Royals stronger in 2nd half but game winner almost out of nowhere in 89th+ min. Best wishes to both in ncaa next week.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 07, 2022, 02:45:44 PM

Speaking of the UofS women's soccer team, it was surprising to see the NCAA send 3 New England teams packing to Scranton for this weekends opening round of games.
Note to NCAA basketball committee: it obviously can be done..  ;)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 12, 2022, 12:13:39 AM
 Lady Royals win their opener over Willy Pat @ Gwynedd-Mercy tourney. Maddie Ryan and Kaci Kranson looked the best; nice to see the frosh taking the ball to the basket; she wasn't intimidated by starting in her 1st game.
  Cabezas for Willy Pat had a solid all-around game.
  Lady Royals play host G-M @ 2 tomorrow.

Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 14, 2022, 08:57:06 AM
Did Kranson get hurt in the second game? 0 minutes in the second half
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 14, 2022, 10:09:46 AM

Looked as though she came up a little lame after hitting the floor about 4 minutes into the game.
She was visibly favoring one leg so she may have been taken out as a precaution.
She's a tough kid...played softball last season with a broken arm before being taken out.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 14, 2022, 03:55:41 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQzjnG-qK4o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5wqpcf2pAY


Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 15, 2022, 04:07:42 PM
 Who knew when u held the door for Hannah on her campus visit, that it would be a factor in her choosing Scranton?  ;D Well done, NEPA!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 15, 2022, 07:56:10 PM

It's early but the Lady Royals need to develop some depth.
If you can't rest your starters with a 20 point lead & only 2 minutes left, something seems wrong.
Not going to go deep with a 7-8 person rotation...injuries & dumb fouls will always happen.
Scranton's two bigs off the bench simply need to improve & contribute.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on November 16, 2022, 09:22:28 AM
Agreed.  Not giving the starters a rest now will wear them down as the year goes on; not playing the bench more will not give them the game experience to be effective when their starters get hurt or in foul trouble. 

When 3 players (not counting the injured Quigley) have not played and 4 others have played a total of 12 minutes through 3 games that they've won by an average of almost 16 points, there's something wrong.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 16, 2022, 09:27:04 AM

On the other side, if coach doesn't feel the conditioning level is where they want it to be, you might work them a little harder early, especially with how little practice time they get before games begin.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on November 20, 2022, 08:54:58 PM
Congrats on another Tournament win Lady Royals.MVP -Hanna Angelini,Tournament team also from Scranton Monaghan!Coach Obrien is starting to find his rotation and who can spell who.I think as the season goes on he can go deep on this bench!Big surprise Allie Lynch never new she can play this good big big plus.Like most of the girls under  Dipilllo didn't see much of them  they sat on the bench.Coach is getting more comfortable in this role you see it every game.So More bench play besides the top 3 is starting to take place.I see him using Bender,NolanSteele and I really like Brewer..Like they say you will not learn on the bench and I think this team is deeper then last years.Starting 5 is solid the edition  of Rajza is big!Monaghan(AA) Angelini (Sneaky player can light you up for 20 any night)Great choice coach by starting Her Maddie Ryan(Can rebound and hit those 10 footers  or layups)Kaci Kranson(I know only a Fr. and I have seen alot of these Fr walk through the Long Center.She is good real good -Basketball IQ is amazing her passing her layups her shooting will only get way better and she plays defense to the T.Im not making a comparison but if I had to compare her to someone that played at the long center it would be (Taryn Mellody) but way better on defense as we speak.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on November 28, 2022, 09:45:54 AM
Big game Tomorrow night at the Long center when Ithaca comes to town.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 29, 2022, 09:56:48 AM

Looking over the stats from the Ithaca/Catholic game & one jumps off the page.
Ithaca had 50 total rebounds to Catholic's 22.
And, of those 50, 21 were offensive.
The Lady Royals better be ready to crash the boards because if Ithaca gets that many second chance shots, that's the difference between winning an evenly matched game or losing it.
I guess it can also be interpreted as Catholic certainly didn't have their A game shooting vs. the Bombers either.  ;)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 29, 2022, 10:31:55 AM
 Checking out the stats for that game also, I see that a reserve guard had 6 of the offensive rebounds - sounds like an effort layer with a nose for the ball. 5 more came from a former prospect of mine(Emily Dorn) that played 15 miles away from me and that I saw many times in AAU. What was more surprising was that Catholic's effort big(Rachel Bussanich) only had 3 rebounds herself.
  Coach Lawrence also got another local(Zoraida Icabelceta) from NOVA; we'll be listening to hear how Dean does pronouncing her name.  ;) 
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 29, 2022, 12:17:47 PM

Probably something like Zorro Iceberg.  ;D
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on November 29, 2022, 03:21:01 PM
Moriah Murray committed to Penn State
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on November 29, 2022, 03:29:55 PM
Ronk I think you mean Coach Dan Raymond! Im not sure who Coach Lawerence is ?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on November 29, 2022, 09:42:46 PM
I will say this that was a convincing win from start to finish!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 29, 2022, 09:58:07 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on November 29, 2022, 03:29:55 PM
Ronk I think you mean Coach Dan Raymond! Im not sure who Coach Lawerence is ?

I was thinking I might be wrong but didn't bother to look it up; I talk with him frequently @ aau tourneys since he has had a number of my prospects over the years, including 3 starters a few years ago.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on November 29, 2022, 10:03:24 PM
Ronk truly understand!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 29, 2022, 10:09:32 PM
 Like the way the Lady Royals are taking it to the hoop and drawing shooting fouls; the ones doing it(Hannah, Bridget, Kaci, and both Maddies are good foul shooters.
   Return of Jenna Larrabee tonite for 1st time this season; waiting for the debut of the other Jenna(Sloan).
  Ithaca missing 2 DC-area players tonite who had 29 pts between them in their 2-pt victory over Catholic 10 days ago.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 29, 2022, 10:24:24 PM

You could have brought them up from your house in the Ronkmobile.
A very nice game by the Lady Royals from start to finish.
IC is relentless on the boards...a great test tonight for the Lady Royals.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on November 29, 2022, 11:01:43 PM
You can also say those two players the game before Catholic against Geneseo only had- Dorn 8 pts and icabalceta 2.So my thought is This almost exact team missing one starter clubbed Dipillos team last year even with Abby Anderson on it.In return new Coach paid it back with a different team with only two starters back from last year's sweet 16!So you can't take this win away from the Lady Royals because two players that had a great scoring night at Catholic didn't play!Also Ithaca is a team that plays very physical and any other day would be fouled out for over the back and talk about hand checking I didn't see one player on Ithaca not use their hands everytime Scranton Drove on them or body.On rebounds they had 43 UofS 37.The star of the night is my prospect Kaci Kranson and Maddie Ryan (lol)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 06, 2022, 08:48:36 AM
https://fox56.com/sports/content/new-coach-leads-the-lady-royals#


Courtesy of Dean Corwin's twitter: https://twitter.com/FOX56Sports/status/1600109878382469120?s=20&t=sWEyt40HqmL0uRbWoRDyQg
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 06, 2022, 09:02:23 AM

Nicely done.
Thanks NEPA.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 06, 2022, 05:09:58 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 06, 2022, 08:48:36 AM
https://fox56.com/sports/content/new-coach-leads-the-lady-royals#


Courtesy of Dean Corwin's twitter: https://twitter.com/FOX56Sports/status/1600109878382469120?s=20&t=sWEyt40HqmL0uRbWoRDyQg

Thanks, NEPA. Sam Rajza needs an agent; she didn't get TV face time on the report.  ;D 

The report said Ben O'Brien called to see if Sam would be interested; I'm wondering how Ben knew she was available.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 06, 2022, 06:42:56 PM

Sam got TV face time on what I watched...not sure what version was presented in NOVA.
Ronk, you've been around enough AAU teams...you think these kid's don't talk?  ;)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 06, 2022, 07:00:49 PM
Quote from: saratoga on December 06, 2022, 06:42:56 PM

Sam got TV face time on what I watched...not sure what version was presented in NOVA.
Ronk, you've been around enough AAU teams...you think these kid's don't talk?  ;)

Yes, I made a mistake with the 1st interview - thought both face times were with Kaci, instead of 1 each with Sam, then Kaci.
  As far as Sam's call with Ben, she would have been 4 years removed from any AAU talk with other players. Just wondering how Ben found out; don't remember Sam being in the grad transfer portal but maybe she was; I'll check tonight.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on December 06, 2022, 07:39:01 PM
I don't remember seeing her in the transfer portal either.  It could be that he saw her name in the admissions system at the U.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 08, 2022, 12:05:59 PM
Is it a student section if there are no fans sitting in it?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 11, 2022, 03:46:02 PM

Just watched NYU easily take care of Tufts.
NYU is tough inside & out, quick & deep.
Many other very good teams out there, but I'd have to say Hope & NYU are ranked right where they belong at this point in time.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 11, 2022, 04:33:00 PM
Quote from: saratoga on December 11, 2022, 03:46:02 PM

Just watched NYU easily take care of Tufts.
NYU is tough inside & out, quick & deep.
Many other very good teams out there, but I'd have to say Hope & NYU are ranked right where they belong at this point in time.

Tufts was without All-American Maggie Russell for at least the 2nd consecutive game so the task was much easier for NYU today. Don't think Tufts would have beaten NYU with her, but no chance without her.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 11, 2022, 05:18:27 PM

Good point.
I'm sure she would have negated some of NYU's easy buckets underneath & given Tufts some scoring options they obviously didn't have.
Regardless, NYU looks very good right now.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 15, 2022, 06:48:50 PM
 Royals' games in St. Pete Mon/Tu are @ 3 pm; looks like video will be available. #16 Trine also there; too bad  Scranton won't get to play them; at least we'll get to compare how Trine does against Wartburg 1 day after Scranton plays them.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 16, 2022, 09:38:21 PM
 Meghan Lamanna, Royals' commit, was named to NJ preseason all-state team; the only guards ahead of her on the 1st 2 teams are either D1 commits or underclassmen.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on December 17, 2022, 02:04:48 PM
Talking recruits-Katie Gorski 22pts,6rb,5a opening night!!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 19, 2022, 03:21:27 PM
Royals losing 13-8 after 1st quarter; shooting 2-16. ppv available; I'm following on live stats.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 19, 2022, 04:14:22 PM
Royals win 2nd quarter 16-12; trail @ half 25-24; only 1-5 on 3 pt-ers.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 19, 2022, 04:16:15 PM
Royals win 3rd quarter 18-10; lead after 3, 43-35.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on December 19, 2022, 04:38:09 PM
Statement game-59-37  Lady Royals
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 19, 2022, 04:50:07 PM
 Royals finish strongly 59 - 37. Maddie H(13 pts, 10 rebs, 3 asts, 3 steals), Sara Walsh(6 pts, 3 rebs, 1 steal, 1 block) and Sam Rajza(16 pts, 3-5 3-pters, 5 rebs) with career games for them with the Royals.
  Wartburg plays Trine(winner over #1 Hope this past Saturday) tomorrow; should give a clue about relative merits of all 4 teams.
   So, Royals come back after a very slow start and below-average play from their frontline players. It's a team game over the long haul.  ;)   
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on December 19, 2022, 04:56:01 PM
Glad to see others step up on a day when Monaghan and Angelini combined for 11 turnovers and only 11 points. 
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on December 19, 2022, 09:26:23 PM
That was the lowest total points by Wartburg since the season 2011-12 against Wash U 47-37.According to Wartburg this team had a high power offense!Wartburg 3 losses all top 25 teams and they play another one tomorrow.Also agree with Tim way to step up Maddie and Sam this team is only getting better and he is blending this team in nicely and having the guru coach of defense as an assistant does not hurt and it showed again today like it did every game this year.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on December 20, 2022, 11:46:46 AM
Just read in the paper another merger between CSAC and UEC.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on December 20, 2022, 03:50:05 PM
Ronk Trine just got by Wartburg 60-56.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on December 20, 2022, 03:51:05 PM
Also from Florida at the Half Scranton 33 Rhodes 20
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on December 20, 2022, 04:31:23 PM
Final Scranton 76 Rhodes 51!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on December 20, 2022, 04:35:31 PM
So Ronk after yesterday's game and the teams you were referring to in your statement about merits.I would like to hear your take and compare us to other teams .Thanks ronk for your input!!!!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 20, 2022, 04:53:19 PM
 Well, I wish Scranton had played Trine today instead of Rhodes for a better picture of the relative merits, but it looks like the 3(Scranton. Trine, and Hope) are comparable. Would have to give an edge to Trine for beating Hope @ Hope. We'll get a better idea next week when Scranton plays either Stevens on Stevens' court or Tufts with Maggie Russell on a neutral court.   
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 20, 2022, 04:54:09 PM
Augie, was the video sideways for you on Instagram?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on December 20, 2022, 07:16:11 PM
Yes
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on December 20, 2022, 07:21:41 PM
Well they did play Wartburg meaning both teams and Trine beat Wartburg by 4 and Scranton beat Wartburg by 22 same floor just different day.Just think like Tim said Monaghan had a bad game so it could've been more.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 20, 2022, 07:45:15 PM

The amazing thing about the Lady Royals is that with the exception of the Ithaca game, they have not been playing really well offensively yet when the final horn sounds, they're generally up by 25 or more.  :)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 20, 2022, 08:45:42 PM
 New Royals' commit: Elizabeth Bennett  6-0  F  St. Joseph Hill Academy Staten Island NY

Liz was the 1st publicly offered by the new coaching staff this summer. Missed evaluating her because of conflicts with other prospects' AAU games in July.

2 min hilite:  https://www.ncsasports.org/womens-basketball-recruiting/new-york/staten-island/st-joseph-hill-academy-high-school/elizabeth-bennett11
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on December 20, 2022, 08:50:20 PM
Ronk that makes it four so far!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on December 20, 2022, 09:48:32 PM
Comparing her 2022 highlights vs 2020, it looks like she is better shape now and is better with post moves and attacking the basket.  Looks pretty surehanded.  Probably will need to adjust to the college game but she has potential.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 20, 2022, 10:30:45 PM

Looks like F&M was hot on her trail as well.
Reminds me of Sophia when she first came in.
Great to see Ben get some bigs to compliment all the guards.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on December 20, 2022, 11:50:42 PM
In local coaches in D1 Becky Burke (Buffalo)4-4 team beat Trevor Woodruff(Bucknell)4-7 team 58-51.Well this would be Trevor's first year recruiting class not doing to well at 4-7 alot of games left to turn it around!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 21, 2022, 12:41:34 AM
 Trevor tweeted a picture of Bridgette Mann visiting with him and Taylor Coleman in Buffalo; Bridgette is finishing med school.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on December 21, 2022, 06:07:18 AM
Yes I saw that ronk!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on December 29, 2022, 09:06:28 PM
Nice win Ladies!Hey Nick you recruiting any Pa kids?I thought I heard the announcer(By the way great job) say that Nick Dipillo did not even recruit Kranson(I hope that is not true).If it is what a joke you are Coach Dipillo!Also Congrats Bridget On 1000 pts scored
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on December 29, 2022, 09:37:11 PM
That was perhaps the best game that I've seen Maddy Ryan play.  She was strong on the glass, attacked the basket with a much better handle than in the past, and she was in control on her shots.  No fouls, no turnovers.

Kudos to Monaghan on her 1000th point!

Tufts tomorrow will be a tough one -- Maggie Russell is virtually unstoppable in the paint and they have plenty of others who can step up if the Royals can keep Russell in check.

Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 29, 2022, 09:52:03 PM
 Nice that Bridget got the 1000 in front of family and friends in NJ. Congrats to her! Bigs(Kaci and Maddy) are taking it to the hoop and drawing fouls in the process(14-16, between them today).
Saw Kyra walking around with the help of crutches and knee brace.
#6 Amherst and #10 Trine lose today; if the Royals take care of business tomorrow against #19 Tufts, they should move up in the rankings.
  Tufts' preseason All-American Maggie Russell and Royals' Emma Duerr played on same AAU team alternating at the post position; at the time, I evaluated Maggie as better, but there wasn't too much difference in their games.   
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 30, 2022, 12:09:30 PM

Agreed that Maddy played a great all-around game last evening.
Congrats to Bridgett on hitting 1,000...a real testament to her perseverance going against taller kids each & every game.
As for tonight, the Royals will certainly miss Kyra as she would be able to body up against Russell and give them 5 more fouls against her.
Instead, Maddy will be really tested inside & out with her & she has to limit her fouls to give the Royals offensive help by staying in the game.
Russell will get her points, just don't let her go crazy & play great D on everyone else.
Should be a really good mid-season test.
Biggest concern is Scranton's lack of bench scoring & defense once the starters come out.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 30, 2022, 03:58:19 PM

Ronk:
It is nice to see the Royals taking it to the basket & getting all those free throws.
One of my biggest complaints about DiPillo's offensive schemes...far too many crazy 3 point shots.
That was taking many potential free throws every game away from a team that shoots nearly 80% from the line.
It also took away from Maddy Ryan's strengths which is offensive rebounding.
Under Ben's motion offense, there are more set plays that allow Maddy & others to get in position & thrive on second chance put backs.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 30, 2022, 10:08:27 PM
 Nice hard-fought victory for the Royals over #19 Tufts. They had 3 good runs and Tufts could only respond to the 1st 2. Hannah provided the big spark in the 1st half with 13 points. She starts slowly in the early games of the past 2 seasons but kicks herself into a higher level of play about the time of the big conference games. She has the ability to be a major factor in the Royals' play, just a question of being proactive.
Kaci is not playing like a freshman; did a creditable job on Maggie Russell. Sara also with good sub play with Maddy out with fouls. Wishing some others(Bender, Brewer, Duerr, Sloan) would get some of the rotation playing time.
Still some playing smarts problems(a player fouling 94' from the basket with 4 secs left in the quarter and in the bonus; then another free with the ball at midcourt for a final last second shot but passing instead. Little things like those unforced errors can waylay your season in the tough games and there's 1 such coming up in a week at Catholic where every possession can be meaningful.
  Tufts should probably find more playing time for Sophie Davis.
  NYU with a tough victory over Bowdoin in their holiday invitational tourney. Bowdoin had the lead late in the game a couple of times but Bella Pellechia wouldn't let them lose.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on December 30, 2022, 11:50:45 PM
Congrats to Kaci Kranson for taking home MVP in the Steven tournament.Well done Lady Royals on a very impressive win again.Ronk Jenna Sloan didn't make the trip she was sick.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 31, 2022, 09:06:31 AM

Great job by Ben, his coaching staff, & all the Lady Royals executing it to near perfection.
I knew coming in to the season Kacy had some excellent offensive skills, however her help defense has been spectacular.
Clearly not playing like a freshman.
Kudo's again to Maddy Ryan for playing within her game & just being a bear defensively.
Really nice win & Tufts is far better than a 19 ranking which will undoubtably fall even a few more.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 31, 2022, 10:20:34 AM
How could DiPillo not have offered her a chance to play on the team?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on December 31, 2022, 11:26:09 AM
Tufts plays ridiculously good defense... they didn't allow as much inside as George Fox did, but Scranton still toughed it out.  And as we saw yesterday, there are times that the Royals played strong defense themselves but Tufts still has the offensive weapons to be able to score. 

The thing that stood out to me was how, even after Tufts went on a run at the end of each quarter, Ben kept this team calm going into the next quarter and they kicked their defense into high gear.  Scranton held Tufts scoreless in the first 3:27 of the 2nd, 3:42 of the 3rd and 5:35 of the 4th.  Each time Tufts had a run, the Royals held firm and never let them take the lead after a minute left in the first quarter.  And even when Rajza and Monaghan weren't shooting well, Angelini and Kranson played with poise and efficiency.  And when  Ryan was in foul trouble, Walsh held her own.

All in all, a nice win over a Tufts team that, I agree, is better than their ranking.  They're young and will only get better:  other than Russell, most of their key players are freshman/sophomores.  The only senior on the team doesn't get much PT.  Their loss to NYU was without Russell and their only other loss before yesterday was at an Emory team that's on the verge of the top 25. 
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on December 31, 2022, 04:37:04 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on December 31, 2022, 10:20:34 AM
How could DiPillo not have offered her a chance to play on the team?
Nepafan from what i heard he recruited one player Jenna Sloan.If you listen to that interview that was posted you heard Kaci say that once she found out Coach O'Brian was becoming head coach that is when she decide she was going to the U .I agree how can yoh not recruit her?Like I told you many times she is way further then in my eyes better then the  greatest womens basketball player to ever wear thst uniform Taryn Mellody as a Freshman.The way she played last night against Russell(Yes she scored 28pts) but she (Kranson) was undersized by about 3 inches.But wa but still impressive on offense and defense against Russell !If they call the Super sophomore from NYU(Bellachina  hopefully spelling is correct)what name do you give Kranson as a Freshman-Fabulos,Fantastic etc?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 03, 2023, 08:56:37 PM

Speaking of those not recruited by the Lady Royals former coach...you can add Anna Scoblick from Abington Heights who starts for Catholic as a freshman.
Lizzy Neville from Scranton Prep is starting & doing great as a freshman at F&M & Clair Marion is the leading scorer in the Centennial at Dickinson.
None received any interest from the former coach.
There are about 4-5 others starting & doing great at other schools.
Not inferring he'd get everyone but to not even reach out...not the best way to endear yourself to the local coaches.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 04, 2023, 03:33:01 PM

Another un-recruited freshman had a nice day today.
Maria Belardi out of Scranton Prep has been getting some great minutes at Bowdoin.
In todays win over Springfield, she chipped in with 7 points in 16 minutes of action.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 04, 2023, 04:28:15 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 04, 2023, 03:33:01 PM

Another un-recruited freshman had a nice day today.
Maria Belardi out of Scranton Prep has been getting some great minutes at Bowdoin.
In todays win over Springfield, she chipped in with 7 points in 16 minutes of action.

She had a nice effort in the NYU game, also. One of her fellow reserves(Callie Godfrey) has been doing well recently. Callie just made my prospect list a few years ago.
I see that Bowdoin's new assistant coach this season is Abby Kelly who was the star of the team in 2019 when Scranton was in the final 4 with them, also. Both teams lost to Thomas More then, Scranton in the semi and Bowdoin in the final. I asked Abby's dad how I missed out on her during AAU; he said they didn't travel very far(way upstate NY); I had remembered seeing them play on video because I focused on their tall post player who eventually went D1 but I missed out on Abby.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 04, 2023, 08:55:58 PM
My forecast:
1 Scranton
2 E-town
3 Catholic
4 Moravian
5 Drew
6 Susquehanna
7 Goucher
8 Juniata
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 08, 2023, 08:35:33 AM

Great road win for the Lady Royals yesterday vs. an always tough Catholic team.
Big game Friday evening vs. E-town as 2 undefeated teams meet.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 12, 2023, 12:46:05 AM
   Hoopsville advertising Scranton(presumably, Coach O'Brien) as 1 of the interviews on Thursday's show(1-3 pm); it's usually available on demand, if missed live.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on January 12, 2023, 10:18:14 PM
Great interview Coach Obrien and as always Dave great job!Last week Royals played against a very physical Catholic team and tomorrow night will play against a 13-0 E town team.Reminds me of the Kaufmann,Strong era.But about the game tomorrow against ETown should be another tough game.Ladies need to contain Mc Nulty and clamp down on defense and hopefully they get the W.But the Coach for E town is doing a great job building that program up
So will see Go Lady Royals .
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 14, 2023, 02:42:53 PM
good crowd for the ladies...and a good win.

@Drew who I believe has one loss this season in midweek match up
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 14, 2023, 07:29:46 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 14, 2023, 02:42:53 PM
good crowd for the ladies...and a good win.

@Drew who I believe has one loss this season in midweek match up

I think Moravian will add another loss to Drew's record tomorrow in the Palestra; each team has a former prospect of mine, Joey Myers with Drew and Tessa Zamolyi with Moravian.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 14, 2023, 07:52:36 PM

What an absolute pleasure to watch Ben's offensive sets run by the ladies.
They work hard with their constant motion & cuts which lead to so many easy baskets.
This is true basketball with the talent he has and he's getting them all in great spots to score.
So much nicer to watch than the unorganized run & gun offense of the past 3 seasons under the Pitt asst.
Their defense is a total team effort with great switches & weak side help.
Maddy Ryan is like a machine out there and has to be the most improved player in the league to this point.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 14, 2023, 08:27:31 PM
So you're telling me coaching matters?  ;D
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 14, 2023, 08:32:24 PM
 Just wish Hannah would take more advantage of the offensive movement; she's athletic enough to get 10' pullups in the lane but defers too much to others.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on January 14, 2023, 09:28:24 PM
Agree -but we have 5 starters and she does it best in distrubting the ball and all those little things like rebounds,steals and defense that does not show up.Her and Sam are what you call Sneaky players and they are great fit on this team!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 14, 2023, 09:36:36 PM
Coaching matters???
Only for the women.........the men are on top of their game & are in great hands.  ::)

As for Hannah...I'm sure she has the green light as she did in the Tufts game.
Wish she's shoot a bit more as well as it gets her into the overall flow but she has to make it happen.
Sometimes too unselfish but is happy distributing & that's what counts.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 14, 2023, 10:33:18 PM

Providing any teams scheduled to play tomorrow win...this could be Monday's new Top 10.

1.Trinity (Texas)
2.Transylvania
3.Chris Newport
4.NYU
5.Scranton
6.Smith
7.Trine
8.Rochester
9.Hope
10.Desales
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: deiscanton on January 15, 2023, 06:53:14 AM
Quote from: saratoga on January 14, 2023, 10:33:18 PM

Providing any teams scheduled to play tomorrow win...this could be Monday's new Top 10.

1.Trinity (Texas)
2.Transylvania
3.Chris Newport
4.NYU
5.Scranton
6.Smith
7.Trine
8.Rochester
9.Hope
10.Desales

Where would you place UChicago?  #11?  Personallly, I would take Hope out of the top 10 entirely, place the Flying Dutch at #11 and place UChicago at #9.  The loss to Albion yesterday was the first time that Hope has lost to a team other than Trine in over a year.  Moreover, Hope never had a lead in the game and seemed to be really out of sync, IMO, for the first time in a while.  Albion controlled that game from start to finish yesterday.

Scranton seems all right at #5.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Roundball999 on January 15, 2023, 07:33:55 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 15, 2023, 06:53:14 AM
Quote from: saratoga on January 14, 2023, 10:33:18 PM

Providing any teams scheduled to play tomorrow win...this could be Monday's new Top 10.

1.Trinity (Texas)
2.Transylvania
3.Chris Newport
4.NYU
5.Scranton
6.Smith
7.Trine
8.Rochester
9.Hope
10.Desales

Where would you place UChicago?  #11?  Personallly, I would take Hope out of the top 10 entirely, place the Flying Dutch at #11 and place UChicago at #9.  The loss to Albion yesterday was the first time that Hope has lost to a team other than Trine in over a year.  Moreover, Hope never had a lead in the game and seemed to be really out of sync, IMO, for the first time in a while.  Albion controlled that game from start to finish yesterday.

Scranton seems all right at #5.

Last time Hope lost to anyone other than Trine was almost 4 years ago, vs. Wartburg in the 2018-'19 NCAAs.  Maybe Hope seemed off (27% shooting) but give credit to Albion, they played a very good game.  Massey still has Hope at #2 but that seems too high, I have no issue with #11.  I'd flip Scranton and NYU.  Smith seems too high to me but not sure who I'd move up instead at this point.  Should be interesting the rest of the way!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on January 15, 2023, 08:58:38 AM
Quote from: Roundball999 on January 15, 2023, 07:33:55 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 15, 2023, 06:53:14 AM
Quote from: saratoga on January 14, 2023, 10:33:18 PM

Providing any teams scheduled to play tomorrow win...this could be Monday's new Top 10.

1.Trinity (Texas)
2.Transylvania
3.Chris Newport
4.NYU
5.Scranton
6.Smith
7.Trine
8.Rochester
9.Hope
10.Desales

Where would you place UChicago?  #11?  Personallly, I would take Hope out of the top 10 entirely, place the Flying Dutch at #11 and place UChicago at #9.  The loss to Albion yesterday was the first time that Hope has lost to a team other than Trine in over a year.  Moreover, Hope never had a lead in the game and seemed to be really out of sync, IMO, for the first time in a while.  Albion controlled that game from start to finish yesterday.

Scranton seems all right at #5.

Last time Hope lost to anyone other than Trine was almost 4 years ago, vs. Wartburg in the 2018-'19 NCAAs.  Maybe Hope seemed off (27% shooting) but give credit to Albion, they played a very good game.  Massey still has Hope at #2 but that seems too high, I have no issue with #11.  I'd flip Scranton and NYU.  Smith seems too high to me but not sure who I'd move up instead at this point.  Should be interesting the rest of the way!

Assuming everyone holds serve today, I agree with your top 6.  I don't think Trine should move up 4 spots for beating two teams that are a combined 5-27, nor moving DeSales down a spot.  I could see Rochester leapfrogging DeSales into 7 and DeSales moving up to 8. Hope at 9 seems right to me, and then either Trine or Chicago at 10.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 15, 2023, 09:48:44 AM
If anyone is traveling to the Palestra today and the Scranton social afterwards and could provide a recap it would be greatly appreciated.

Should be a great day for the Landmark!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 15, 2023, 10:26:34 AM

I would have Chicago at 11 after the NYU win or even 10 & move Desales to 11.
Smith may be high at this point but they continue to win & they've played like they deserve to be there.
Just some thoughts as there obviously isn't as much wiggle room as you get closer to the top.

Too bad the UofS athletic dept. didn't put together an alumni bus trip to Philly for today's game,
especially considering the cocktail social they are hosting after the game.
Not a problem for alums in the Philly area but a pain with parking & then a 2 hour drive north for those back in the great Northeast.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on January 15, 2023, 06:26:50 PM
NYU lost its second game in a row!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on January 15, 2023, 07:24:11 PM
That should put Scranton at 4.  It will be interesting to see if the voters keep NYU in the top 10 now...
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on January 15, 2023, 09:00:15 PM
Bad night for Bridget tonight!In my years watching her never seen her so short on all her shots like today -She hit 1-16 FG % and 0-4 from beyond the 3pt range and only had 4 pts.This is what you call a perfect Trap game!It was truly a bad night of shooting  31.6% fg and 31% 3pt range and a surprise 15-15 from the free throw.I will always take an ugly win over a one point loss anyday.Even though the Ladies shot poorly today their defense and rebounding  picked them up  and won by 16 over a tough Susquehanna team.Im not sure if the coach from Susquehanna coaches like this every game Susquehanna woman would not be 5-10.She was pumped!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 15, 2023, 09:28:02 PM
good production from the Landmark...Dean Corwin and Wes Simmons (from Susquehanna); which was simulcast on WUSR. They interviewed the Landmark Commish, would said they would try and do this again next year with the teams that didn't participate. She also talked to Dave Martin about the Moravian band in attendance and trying to get them to stay for the remaining games.

I have been asking for a small pep band at the royal games for some time, agree with all that it would add to the atmosphere.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 15, 2023, 09:31:18 PM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on January 15, 2023, 07:24:11 PM
That should put Scranton at 4.  It will be interesting to see if the voters keep NYU in the top 10 now...

I just submitted by ballot.  I had Scranton 4 and NYU 11.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 16, 2023, 12:52:10 PM

Agreed...Wes did a great job with Dean giving the viewers nice insight into the game.
For those that may have missed his intro, Wes played HS ball at Scranton Prep then played for Coach M. at Susquehanna.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on January 17, 2023, 05:18:57 PM
I was bored so i sat down and went through how many D3 schools I have been at!Out of 10 regions only region I have not seen a school or gym in Region 9.I have seen at least one game at a school in all other  regions.So I have been at over 70 different d3 schools to watch a game not including Las Vegas Puerto Rico ,Florida and Nashville for holiday tournaments and 3 d2 schools we played at.One school no longer exist that Scranton played against was Upsala.Im still young hopefully add another 70 schools to the list if the Royals or Lady Royals play them.Oh yeah add the Palestra (Cathedral of Basketball) to the list.Just a Royal fan that likes the D3 game.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 18, 2023, 08:38:29 AM
Were the Lady Royals ever ranked #1 in the Top 25? Can we have our research assistant and historian look into that?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on January 18, 2023, 09:51:01 AM
Yes and Mt St Mary's beat them!Just became the new number 1 that day (trap game it was)Went to Newburgh and got pummeled by 20
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on January 18, 2023, 09:57:51 AM
In local news Scranton Mens Soccer picked up a great recruit today.He was the leading goal scorer (72)in the nation as a Junior!Like alot of recruits many offers from D1,2,3 out of Holy Cross Ron Prislupski!Great pickup  for the men's soccer program
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 18, 2023, 05:12:34 PM

The Lady Royals may have another serious game on their hands tonight at Drew.
Scranton would probably win this game 9 out of 10 tries but you just never know if tonight might be the one where they just never get into a rhythm or flow.
All things considered, I'll still go with the Lady Royals & 12.

Several other big games tonight...
E-town at Catholic. One of those teams will have 2 quick losses.

And, Williams at Amherst.
No matter how much more talent & depth Williams might have, GP owns the Ephs.
Will that trend continue?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 18, 2023, 07:40:09 PM

Another big game in the MAC...Desales at Stevens.
I'm going upset special here & giving the Ducks the nod in this one.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on January 22, 2023, 03:55:40 PM
Yesterday game against Juniata was a no contest but it was a good way for Coach to use his bench.So out of that I see a possibility that besides the regular 3 he has coming off the bench. He could easily add 3 more and the 3 I think he can use right away Ashlyn Bender she is lengthy and can become a guard if you need it!I have been saying this but Morgan Brewer also plays well and is not afraid to take it inside and her dribbling is superb and then Jenna Sloan from the 6 minutes I've seen she can handle the pressure wish she would shoot but she was pass first player yesterday .But I think them 3 can help out the bench today.But that is me and that is why Coach Obrien is the Coach and a great one at that .
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 22, 2023, 04:45:56 PM
 Unsure why Jenna was taken out at the 4 min mark yesterday; it's important for a frosh to play and find out what she can do at the college level and build some confidence in addition to meshing with 4 other teammates. I'd like to see what she can do to improve the team.
  Wednesday's game with Moravian will feature a former prospect, Tessa Zamolyi, a transfer from Miseri, She can do it all at the D3 level.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on January 22, 2023, 06:23:23 PM
Yes saw  Moravian at the Palestra was not impressed with both teams Moravian,Drew!I'm not sure why Coach took her out look to me she was sucking air at the end of the bench.So maybe just getting over being sick needs to build her up.Im just saying what i saw.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on January 25, 2023, 11:14:06 AM
Womens game at home is rescheduled for tomorrow at 7pm!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 26, 2023, 10:52:31 AM

Great to see the B&B kids (Brewer & Bender) get some nice playing time last game vs. Juniata.
Personally, I see them bringing better defense, more offensive options, & better rebounding than the current rotation of subs 2 & 3.
Hope they continue to get increased minutes as the season progresses...they will be needed.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on January 28, 2023, 11:20:20 AM
Looking at the women's standings, in the first half of conference play there was a clear hierarchy to date:  each team has played each other exactly once, no team has the same conference record, and no team has beaten a team higher in the conference standings nor lost to a team lower in the conference standings.  I don't know how common that is, and doubt that will continue into the second half, but I found it interesting...
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on January 29, 2023, 04:01:40 PM
Great article in the Scranton Times on Coach Obrien!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 30, 2023, 07:13:19 PM
Elizabethtown ranked in our poll for the first time since 2001:

https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2022-23/week9
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 30, 2023, 07:51:33 PM

I saw that...didn't know it had been that long.
Well, by Saturday evening we'll know if E-town will be moving uptown or out of town.  ;)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 30, 2023, 08:20:45 PM
 Etown was good enough to have gotten a Pool C tourney berth last season; would have thought they'd have been ranked to do so.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 30, 2023, 08:48:10 PM
I didn't think it had been that long either.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on January 30, 2023, 10:06:22 PM
Saratoga not this week I think you mean next Saturday when they take on Scranton at home!Also I think 3 teams made it last year from the landmark or was that a couple years ago.I think it was Scranton, Catholic and Etown.Nice to see that in a National tournament for the Landmark.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 31, 2023, 08:14:16 AM

Augie:
Correct...Catholic this Sat. & E-town the following week.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 31, 2023, 06:52:37 PM
 Time for big games for conference playoff spots: tomorrow, Drew @ Moravian
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 04, 2023, 03:59:18 PM
Moravian's win over E-Town coupled with Drew's loss to Susquehanna puts them in a tie for the final playoff spot, which could come down to the last game of the season.

Scranton hangs on to beat Catholic, officially clinching a playoff spot.  A win over Drew on Wednesday (or a Catholic loss to E-Town) would clinch home court in the first round.  If Scranton and Catholic both win on Wednesday, Scranton clinches the #1 seed with tiebreakers.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 04, 2023, 06:10:46 PM
Great job ladies!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 05, 2023, 03:22:53 PM
When do Regional rankings come out?Any thoughts on the order also?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 05, 2023, 04:37:45 PM
 The top 16 come out Wednesday in alphabetical order; regional rankings will be the following week.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 05, 2023, 05:20:22 PM
Thanks Ronk!See #1 Trinity got knocked off today?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 05, 2023, 07:38:59 PM
 Will they drop behind the Royals?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 05, 2023, 07:51:52 PM
Not sure I wonder if they will get a top vote like the last poll did?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 05, 2023, 07:58:47 PM
If you look at Scranton Schedule.They Beat Ithaca#34 (massey) at Home by 20,Beat Wartburg #13 on neutral court by 22pts,Beat Tufts 31st on neutral court by 9 and Beat Etown #38th(massey) by 20 at home.I just picked teams under 40 on (massey).CNU played one team under 40 and it came today #35 Santa Cruz,Trinity played 3 teams under 40 Hardin Simmons #17 twice won both and Puget Sound#18.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 05, 2023, 08:01:14 PM
Only reason why I didn't  put up Transylvania is because they didn't play anyone under 40 matter of fact they played one team under 100 at #89 and that was it.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 05, 2023, 08:13:42 PM

My guess:

1.Transy
2.C.Newport
3.Scranton
4.Smith
5.Trinity (Tx.)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 05, 2023, 10:06:53 PM
That's a pretty good guess, Saratoga.  I wouldn't be surprised if that's the way it plays out. 

Alternatively, I could see enough of the voters giving the #1 votes to CNU and having them leapfrog Transy in the top spot.  There's only a 3 point different between the two in last week's poll.  I could also see Trinity possibly squeaking ahead of Smith for the 4th spot. 
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2023, 10:15:11 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 05, 2023, 04:37:45 PM
The top 16 come out Wednesday in alphabetical order; regional rankings will be the following week.

The Top 16 come out Thursday on Hoopsville, actually.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 05, 2023, 10:19:32 PM
Thanks Pat!!!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 05, 2023, 10:59:00 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2023, 10:15:11 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 05, 2023, 04:37:45 PM
The top 16 come out Wednesday in alphabetical order; regional rankings will be the following week.

The Top 16 come out Thursday on Hoopsville, actually.

Not this Thursday.  Thursday the 16th.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 06, 2023, 10:23:08 PM
QuoteAlternatively, I could see enough of the voters giving the #1 votes to CNU and having them leapfrog Transy in the top spot.  There's only a 3 point different between the two in last week's poll.  I could also see Trinity possibly squeaking ahead of Smith for the 4th spot.

Good guess, Mr. Enchanter!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 06, 2023, 11:22:16 PM

Well played, Tim!
Always need a good Plan B.  ;)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 08, 2023, 09:18:18 PM

Well, I'm going to say what some are thinking...
The Lady Royals need a tuneup.
Their defense has been keeping them in every game as their offense has gone south.
I don't think they've played a complete game since their last matchup vs. E-town.
Should their shooting woes continue like this, they won't make it out of the first weekend.
Reminds me some of Trevor's first year (2015/16), when they made it to the Elite 8...they had some close league games down the stretch then found their mojo again in the Landmark playoffs.
Here's hoping for those results.  :)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 08, 2023, 10:25:51 PM
 Don't like their zone offense - 5 on the perimeter makes it too easy for the defense; need somebody in the high post to move the ball to either side; shouldn't be any dribbling or turnovers against a zone. Expect to face it down the line.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 09, 2023, 07:47:31 PM
Ryan Scott who was Tufts missing when they played Scranton?Thier best player didn't play against NYU!She played against Scranton.Debatable.Lol
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 09, 2023, 08:18:57 PM

Augie:
What's this old news you're referencing (Tufts vs. NYU)?
Not sure I'm seeing how that relates to current topics unless something was recently stated??
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 09, 2023, 08:29:07 PM
No on the podcast today his debatable team is Scranton and he said Scranton beating Tufts without their best player(is not true) it was NYU who beat Tufts without Russel.But he is not sure if Scranton should be 3 but the other guy put him in his place.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 09, 2023, 10:27:27 PM

Ok, thanks...makes sense now.
Russell definitely played vs. the Lady Royals.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 10, 2023, 10:19:04 AM
Do you have a link to the podcast?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 10, 2023, 12:09:03 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 09, 2023, 07:47:31 PM
Ryan Scott who was Tufts missing when they played Scranton?Thier best player didn't play against NYU!She played against Scranton.Debatable.Lol


You're right.  I thought I'd double checked that, but I guess I got it wrong.  For the record, I continue to vote Scranton #3 - I just wanted someone else's perspective on the team.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 10, 2023, 12:58:18 PM
Headed to Etown tomorrow any thoughts for both games?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 10, 2023, 01:12:05 PM
The Lady Royals are very good...just not that deep.
When the subs come in, they are used more to hold down the fort & do no harm until the starters get a break & re-enter.
Not a lot of points are put on the board during sub time, not many rebounds & very few assists.
Really surprised the shooting slump of Bridgett has lasted this long but this will happen when you continually get double teamed.
Sometimes it just takes one game to regain that touch & off we go.
Here's hoping it all comes together for Scranton tomorrow in what should be a very difficult game.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 10, 2023, 01:37:54 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 10, 2023, 10:19:04 AM
Do you have a link to the podcast?

It's under Hoopsville(2/9/23 show) in the Columns menu of d3hoops page.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 10, 2023, 01:49:11 PM

Great Day to be a Royal??
Perhaps a retirement announcement?  ;D
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 10, 2023, 04:34:15 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 10, 2023, 12:09:03 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 09, 2023, 07:47:31 PM
Ryan Scott who was Tufts missing when they played Scranton?Thier best player didn't play against NYU!She played against Scranton.Debatable.Lol


You're right.  I thought I'd double checked that, but I guess I got it wrong.  For the record, I continue to vote Scranton #3 - I just wanted someone else's perspective on the team.

Even with Russell, Tufts hasn't been the same this year.  It was a good win, but as the season has played out and Tufts is 16-6 overall (15-5 with her) it's not as good as it might have been in prior years.  This is not the same level of dominance that Tufts has typically shown.

FWIW, I agree that 3 seems right for Scranton they but do need to get back the crisp motion they had earlier in the season.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 10, 2023, 05:43:00 PM
According to massey they are ranked 30th.That means they are playing a tough schedule.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 10, 2023, 08:56:40 PM
No question that Tufts has played a tough schedule.  My point was that in other years they have played a similarly difficult schedule and only lost 1-3 games at this point instead of 6.  A win over Tufts is still a good win though!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 11, 2023, 10:45:48 AM

Tim, right on the money.
Tufts schedule is the same, it's the results this season that are a little different.
In past years there may have been a NESCAC loss to Amherst & Bowdoin but they ran the table everywhere else.
This year, a few more bumps in the road.
However, they are still pretty talented & Maggie can put a team on her back in any game.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 11, 2023, 05:03:03 PM

Lady Royals with a huge win in OT on the road at E-town.

This group of kids lost Maddy Ryan on the last play of regulation when she grabbed an offensive rebound and put it back in with about 1.4 seconds left.

Unfortunately, it became obvious that she landed awkwardly with all the bodies underneath and went down & had to leave the gym on a stretcher.
She has been the heart & soul of this team and rarely gets the glory of the big scorers but she is there every game playing with the heart of a lion fighting for any loose ball near her.

A very big loss for Scranton as this kid probably has more offensive rebounds herself than the entire mens team.

An absolute gut-check win by these kids & the coaching staff when they could have easily hung their heads with Maddy's injury & just wanted to head home.

Best wishes & prayers that there aren't any major ligament tears.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 11, 2023, 05:04:25 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 11, 2023, 10:45:48 AM

Tim, right on the money.
Tufts schedule is the same, it's the results this season that are a little different.
In past years there may have been a NESCAC loss to Amherst & Bowdoin but they ran the table everywhere else.
This year, a few more bumps in the road.
However, they are still pretty talented & Maggie can put a team on her back in any game.
Or Maybe teams are better !!!!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 11, 2023, 05:07:31 PM
First she got elbowed in the face that made her step backward and land awkward and then she dislocated her knee cap.Prayers talk more later.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 11, 2023, 05:40:55 PM

Lady Royals with a huge OT win on the road at E-town.

This group of kids lost Maddy Ryan on the last play of regulation when she grabbed an offensive rebound and put it back in with about 1.4 seconds left.

Unfortunately, it became obvious that she landed awkwardly with all the bodies underneath and went down and had to leave the gym on a stretcher.
She has been the heart & soul of this team and rarely gets the glory of the big scorers but she is there every game playing with the heart of a lion fighting for any loose ball near her.

A very big loss for Scranton as this kid probably has more offensive rebounds herself than the entire mens team.

An absolute gut-check win by these kids and the coaching staff when they could have easily hung their heads with Maddy's injury & just wanted to head home.

Best wishes and prayers that there are not any major ligament tears.

Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 11, 2023, 07:19:15 PM
On another note Tufts beats #12 Trinity to secure home court.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 11, 2023, 07:46:30 PM
I hope and pray that Maddy has a swift recovery, although given the amount of time the trainers were there and that she left on a stretcher, that's not a good sign.   If she can't come back this season, she'll be missed.  She attacks the basket well, fights for rebounds and is strong at denying easy buckets in the post.  Godspeed, Maddy.

This was a big win to secure home court throughout the conference tournament against a tough rival and NCAA caliber team, and the kind of game I expected last time these two teams played.   Nolt had this team ready, and McNulty is just getting better and better.  If these teams meet again in the Landmark playoffs, I imagine it will be another hard fought game.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 11, 2023, 08:24:00 PM
Having two players sick and then that devastating injury to Maddy this team didn't flinch.Sarah did well in her time.That is Heart and again thoughts and prayers go out to Maddy and her Family
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 12, 2023, 01:53:47 AM
 Yes, prayers for Maddy; that was one tough rebound and game-tying bucket in traffic that she garnered before being injured on the same play. Effort plays like that are daggers to the well-being of the opposition. One can shrug off being beaten on a play by superior ability but it's devastating when one lost because someone outhustled you. We'll miss her steals per game also, second only to Sam Rajza on the team.
  Agree that McNulty is getting better and better; especially effective when using a high screen around the foul line. Canio has been so advised for the probable tourney rematch.
The probable is #1 Scranton hosting Moravian/Drew and #2 Etown hosting Catholic in the semis.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on February 12, 2023, 09:50:59 AM
Your former MAC fan wishes your injured player a speedy recovery.   Hate it when that happens, especially when they've been playing lights out.   We had a similar Aggie injury a few weeks ago, although not as severe, it makes a tremendous impact.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 13, 2023, 08:28:57 AM
I honestly thought that Angelini did a pretty decent job guarding McNulty - which I know sounds weird given that she had 35 points.  Hannah fought through screens to stay on her and make it difficult, but McNulty also hit some tough, contested shots.  I also wonder how many of McNulty's points came when someone other than Angelini was guarding her...
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 13, 2023, 12:07:20 PM
Hannah did a great job in my eyes also on McNulty.Nothing you can do when your putting up 35 footers and banking them(That is definetly your day)all 3s out of the 9 hit the backboard.Dont forget Hannah and Kaci played sick!Maddie Hartnett is a defense machine and I think she spells Hannah!Time for the young players to step up and they will.Like I said i am so impressed with Coach Obrien he has nerves of steel and like Saratoga said  losing Maddy Ryan (Prayers)with 1.5 left this team rose up instead of packing it in and won a game against another ranked team on the road because how he kept this team focused for 25 minutes in the huddle while they started to attend to Maddy(Prayers).He inserted 3 players before he finally decided on Sarah Walsh which gave the team great minutes in O.T.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 13, 2023, 01:13:11 PM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on February 13, 2023, 08:28:57 AM
I honestly thought that Angelini did a pretty decent job guarding McNulty - which I know sounds weird given that she had 35 points.  Hannah fought through screens to stay on her and make it difficult, but McNulty also hit some tough, contested shots.  I also wonder how many of McNulty's points came when someone other than Angelini was guarding her...

McNulty's effectiveness using the screen stemmed from the screener's defender not stepping up to double on McNulty til Hannah could recover. This is what I mentioned to Canio to be addressed before they meet again in 2 weeks. McNulty is too good a shooter now to concede the open foul line jumper. I'd rather take my chances with the screener getting the ball than her.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 14, 2023, 09:22:39 PM
McNulty was named to D3Hoops team of the week.  Well deserved!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 15, 2023, 04:17:37 PM
Regional Rankings out Tufts #1 in(NE) region.Not Bad for being not as good .NCAA thinks differently as I did .
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 15, 2023, 04:21:32 PM
Ladies also ranked #1 in(MA) Region I thought Etown would be ahead of Messiah but I was wrong just because of s.o.s
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 15, 2023, 06:07:41 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 15, 2023, 04:21:32 PM
Ladies also ranked #1 in(MA) Region I thought Etown would be ahead of Messiah but I was wrong just because of s.o.s

It's because of winning %(.913 to .964); Messiah trails Etown on SOS, .528 to .536
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 15, 2023, 06:16:50 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 12, 2023, 01:53:47 AM
Yes, prayers for Maddy; that was one tough rebound and game-tying bucket in traffic that she garnered before being injured on the same play. Effort plays like that are daggers to the well-being of the opposition. One can shrug off being beaten on a play by superior ability but it's devastating when one lost because someone outhustled you. We'll miss her steals per game also, second only to Sam Rajza on the team.
  Agree that McNulty is getting better and better; especially effective when using a high screen around the foul line. Canio has been so advised for the probable tourney rematch.
The probable is #1 Scranton hosting Moravian/Drew and #2 Etown hosting Catholic in the semis.

quote from Ben leaves some uncertainty on the severity of the injury. Hope she is on the bench tonight!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 15, 2023, 06:35:55 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 15, 2023, 06:16:50 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 12, 2023, 01:53:47 AM
Yes, prayers for Maddy; that was one tough rebound and game-tying bucket in traffic that she garnered before being injured on the same play. Effort plays like that are daggers to the well-being of the opposition. One can shrug off being beaten on a play by superior ability but it's devastating when one lost because someone outhustled you. We'll miss her steals per game also, second only to Sam Rajza on the team.
  Agree that McNulty is getting better and better; especially effective when using a high screen around the foul line. Canio has been so advised for the probable tourney rematch.
The probable is #1 Scranton hosting Moravian/Drew and #2 Etown hosting Catholic in the semis.

quote from Ben leaves some uncertainty on the severity of the injury. Hope she is on the bench tonight!

And, what is the quote?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 15, 2023, 07:45:22 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 15, 2023, 06:35:55 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 15, 2023, 06:16:50 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 12, 2023, 01:53:47 AM
Yes, prayers for Maddy; that was one tough rebound and game-tying bucket in traffic that she garnered before being injured on the same play. Effort plays like that are daggers to the well-being of the opposition. One can shrug off being beaten on a play by superior ability but it's devastating when one lost because someone outhustled you. We'll miss her steals per game also, second only to Sam Rajza on the team.
  Agree that McNulty is getting better and better; especially effective when using a high screen around the foul line. Canio has been so advised for the probable tourney rematch.
The probable is #1 Scranton hosting Moravian/Drew and #2 Etown hosting Catholic in the semis.

quote from Ben leaves some uncertainty on the severity of the injury. Hope she is on the bench tonight!

And, what is the quote?

per scranton times , we know she is going to be out short term, we don't  know what the long term prognosis is
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 15, 2023, 10:00:37 PM
Nice Nepafan-First day without Maddy they played well (See what coaching does).This team(Moravian beat Etown on this court )and Scranton after that injury loss and OT win.I was not expecting for a blowout game,Wow just Wow Great job Ladies kerp it up!!!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 15, 2023, 10:13:01 PM

Bridget getting her touch back the past two games & just taking over has been a huge help.
Kaci being Kaci, Sam doing her thing, Hannah stepping up & a committee group trying to buy time & a few rebounds in the post.
Truly impressive win tonight under conditions that were certainly ripe for an upset.
Nice to see Maddy on the bench & moving pretty good...albeit with crutches.  :-\
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 15, 2023, 10:47:59 PM
 The Royals & Moravian get to do it again next week in the semis.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 15, 2023, 11:07:07 PM

Isn't this the format essentially every year...close out with Moravian in the last week of the regular season, they end up fourth, we end up first...we  play in the first round, we win.

Perhaps the Moravian coaching staff was trying to lull the Lady Royals into a false sense of security for next week's game.  ;)

They'll certainly play better than they did tonight.

Boy, Drew had a season of two halves...
A great first half to get things rolling & then the second half things just fell off the cliff.

Regarding Regional Rankings...
In Region 4...surprised to see Stevens ranked ahead of Desales (3 losses vs. 1).


Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 15, 2023, 11:16:57 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 15, 2023, 10:13:01 PM

Bridget getting her touch back the past two games & just taking over has been a huge help.
Kaci being Kaci, Sam doing her thing, Hannah stepping up & a committee group trying to buy time & a few rebounds in the post.
Truly impressive win tonight under conditions that were certainly ripe for an upset.
Nice to see Maddy on the bench & moving pretty good...albeit with crutches.  :-\
Saratoga it was a plus seeing her walk without crutches also.So the avatar(Referee Tonight is Deidra Chatman out of Oakland,CA she is 6ft 6 she played for Virginia cavaliers back in 2004 .When you saw Sarah or Kaci next to her holy **** she is tall.Just a thought.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 15, 2023, 11:25:44 PM

I noticed her & thought I bet she played.
Never knew D1 for the Cavs.
Good research.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 16, 2023, 12:00:40 AM
Saratoga also one of the first players to turn their back to the flag during the national anthem,But she said she regretted it and will never do it again.But man she was tall
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 16, 2023, 12:18:24 AM
Quote from: saratoga on February 15, 2023, 11:07:07 PM

Isn't this the format essentially every year...close out with Moravian in the last week of the regular season, they end up fourth, we end up first...we  play in the first round, we win.

Perhaps the Moravian coaching staff was trying to lull the Lady Royals into a false sense of security for next week's game.  ;)

They'll certainly play better than they did tonight.

Boy, Drew had a season of two halves...
A great first half to get things rolling & then the second half things just fell off the cliff.

Regarding Regional Rankings...
In Region 4...surprised to see Stevens ranked ahead of Desales (3 losses vs. 1).

DeSales didn't help their SOS by playing 2 Penn St extension team in a tourney plus CCNY; however they should move ahead of Stevens after the win last nite.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: scottiedawg on February 16, 2023, 01:33:33 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 16, 2023, 12:18:24 AM
DeSales didn't help their SOS by playing 2 Penn St extension team in a tourney plus CCNY; however they should move ahead of Stevens after the win last nite.

I think they were close enough that Stevens 1-0 Head-2-Head put them ahead.  Now that H2H is split 1-1, DeSales has advantages in 3/5 Primary Criteria, even in 1/5, and only 26 points worse in SOS.

I would agree DeSales would move ahead of Stevens.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 16, 2023, 11:08:30 PM
Sure throw Scranton in with 3 nescac schools it happens more then you think guys.2012 Scranton played Williams at Rochester 2015 Scranton played Tufts at home 2016 Scranton and Tufts meet again at Wash U ,2017 Scranton and  Bowdoin meet at Scranton 2018 Scranton and Tufts meet again at Scranton not counting 2004 at Bowdoin,and then 2005 Bowdoin at Scranton (Best game ever seen along with Tufts) Always great games.Please don't act like it don't happen it happens more then you think guys!!!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2023, 12:50:30 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 16, 2023, 11:08:30 PM
Sure throw Scranton in with 3 nescac schools it happens more then you think guys.2012 Scranton played Williams at Rochester 2015 Scranton played Tufts at home 2016 Scranton and Tufts meet again at Wash U ,2017 Scranton and  Bowdoin meet at Scranton 2018 Scranton and Tufts meet again at Scranton not counting 2004 at Bowdoin,and then 2005 Bowdoin at Scranton (Best game ever seen along with Tufts) Always great games.Please don't act like it don't happen it happens more then you think guys!!!

This is why I referenced it on the show last night.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 18, 2023, 04:55:42 PM
Well the regular season came to an end today with one upset Drew beating Catholic at Catholic(Wow)!Ronk did u go to the game in DC?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 18, 2023, 05:40:09 PM
No, I rather watch the Royals doubleheader instead. That's going to hurt Catholic's chance for a Pool C. Looks like I will be going to Catholic Wednesday for the men's semi.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 21, 2023, 12:07:59 PM
Wilkes woman looking for a new head coach.Tara Macciccoa retired.Taking a local job as Director at the Riverfront.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 21, 2023, 07:47:40 PM

Congrats to Jenna Larrabee for her contribution Saturday.
In 16 minutes of action, she scored 9 pts. & grabbed 6 rebounds & at least 2 blocked shots.
We'll need Jenna to contribute like this down the stretch. 

Great coaching move:
Coach O'Brian takes his sub point guard out with 10 seconds left in the first quarter...Bridget checks back in and drops a lay up in at the buzzer.
Ahh, the little things.  ;)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 22, 2023, 08:53:11 PM
Tremendous defensive effort by the Lady Royals tonight, holding Moravian to 31 points on 19% shooting.  They'll need to keep it up against E-Town on Saturday; it will be hard to beat them for a third time without Maddy Ryan in the lineup.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 22, 2023, 09:37:14 PM

It will be a huge challenge Tim.
Since she's been out, the replacements just aren't the same players with a nose for the ball & the determination to get the offensive put backs.
It's been such a dependable part of their overall offense & now they need to continue to find new ways to recoup her rebounds & points.
I'm sure Coach will have them ready for yet another challenge but they will need a near flawless game & their defense will probably save them.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 23, 2023, 12:21:13 PM
Well the games will be played Women -2pm Men -430pm!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 25, 2023, 04:21:30 PM
Congratulations to the Lady Royals on winning the Landmark Conference for the 9th season in a row.Mpte later Also hats off to E-Town for playing us well especially the first quarter down 11-3.Great job by Elizabethtown to have fans bused up to the U.Well down by the school (I think it was 2 paid for by the College itself.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 25, 2023, 06:23:17 PM

Congrats to all the Lady Royals & their coaching staff for yet another championship & trip to the Big Dance.
It never gets old!

I'm pretty sure this is their 8th. consecutive title but, point well taken...they've won a lot in a row.  ;)

So hard to beat a quality team 3 times & to lose your starting center right before your first game then a starting forward 2 weeks ago shows the talent, coaching & confidence this team has.

Well done ladies!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 25, 2023, 06:43:23 PM
Congrats to Kaci Kranson for being selected MVP as a freshman in the Landmark conference tournament.Also hats off To Maddie Hartnett(Helluva game)Allie Lynch and Jenna Larrabee for stepping up for the absence of Maddie Ryan.Great all around job
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 25, 2023, 06:55:59 PM
 Yes, congrats, this was an impressive performance, beating an excellent team for the 3rd time with a cornerstone(Maddie R) out of the game. Pleased to see that the coaching staff adjusted the Renno screen for McNulty defense from the previous game 2 weeks ago; Summer had at least 3 easy 15' jumpers in that one and she's too good to allow that; this time, Renno's defender combined with Hannah to prevent Summer from having that open shot. Quality play from everyone.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 25, 2023, 07:32:13 PM
Conceivably, might have the same Scranton pod as last year with New Paltz, Babson, and New Jersey City(if they win the NJAC AQ tonite. I said last year that those other underclassmen-based teams could return this season.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 26, 2023, 02:08:19 PM
Great day to watch basketball-Watched Tufts beat #16 Trinity and watching a great game so far in the 3rd Babson at Smith.Be headed over to the Wiac also.Have a great day Royal fans something to smile about today both teams are dancing
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 26, 2023, 02:44:46 PM

Ok...taking a shot of who'll be in the Scranton pod for the opening round.

Going with game 1 at 5:00...
Centennial runner-up Johns Hopkins vs. CUNY champion Brooklyn.

Game 2 at 7:00...
United East champion Morrisville St. vs. Scranton.

Championship game Saturday at 6:00 NOT 2:00.  ;)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 26, 2023, 03:53:13 PM
Like it Saratoga!!!Big bubble busted Skidmore defeating Ithaca.Couple more later.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 26, 2023, 04:05:42 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 26, 2023, 02:44:46 PM

Ok...taking a shot of who'll be in the Scranton pod for the opening round.

Going with game 1 at 5:00...
Centennial runner-up Johns Hopkins vs. CUNY champion Brooklyn.

Game 2 at 7:00...
United East champion Morrisville St. vs. Scranton.

Championship game Saturday at 6:00 NOT 2:00.  ;)

Ok, let's have the Royals men play @ Johns Hopkins' pod; then the buses transporting the Royals men and the JHU women can meet @ the I-81 rest area east of Hbg, transfer the teams to the opposite bus, and the buses can return to their respective campus, saving an overnite driver expense. It's amazing what can be done with a little planning.  ::)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 26, 2023, 05:12:34 PM

Unfortunately, that won't be possible.
The men are headed north to Oswego State.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 26, 2023, 05:46:15 PM
 Look for the Royals women to get either Babson or Trinity as a 2 seed; Smith who will be hosting and Tufts who may be also, have already played Babson and Trinity this season.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 26, 2023, 07:14:23 PM

Nope...not the first weekend anyway.
Scranton will be ranked too high to have either of those teams roll in.
Second week...certainly a possibility.

I see them being split up with one headed to Desales & the other to G-burg.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 26, 2023, 08:05:08 PM
Babson is ranked #12 and Trinity #16 before their losses; you need someone in #17-32 as a 2 seed, so they should qualify; you might be right in the sense that it should be someone in the 30-32 range if geography and prior having played some #1 seeds doesn't affect things.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: scottiedawg on February 27, 2023, 11:40:44 AM
I have Scranton as the #3 overall seed. So they're a "high #1" who ideally gets a "low #2". Low #2 would be in the 24-32 range.

Babson is my #6 overall seed.
Trinity is my #8 overall seed.

Teams in my 24-34 (expanded by 2 spots) range who can bus to Scranton:

Skidmore (24)
Marietta (25)
Messiah (26)
Elizabethtown (27)
Stevens (28)
Washington & Lee (29)
Marymount (30)
Gettysburg (31)
SUNY New Paltz (33)

I would bet on that Stevens, W&L, Marymount, Gettysburg range being the #2 seed in a Scranton-hosted pod.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: scottiedawg on February 27, 2023, 03:16:19 PM
aaaaaand, it was none of those.   :o
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on February 27, 2023, 03:24:00 PM
Scranton's hosting St. Joseph's Maine, with the winner of that taking on the winner of Rowan/Rhode Island College.  Welcome back to the Long Center to Danielle McCurdy!

E-Town is playing Stevens down at CNU.  That should be a good first round matchup.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 27, 2023, 03:42:48 PM

All things considered...our bracket seems about right.
However, we certainly didn't earn a first round game vs. one of the brackets weaker teams.
All teams in our bracket have had really great seasons.
Seems the committee feels the Lady Royals are the weakest of the four quads.

PS.
No Amherst...wow!
Not that I firmly believe they belong, just wondered if the committee could actually get themselves to trust another team.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 27, 2023, 03:49:02 PM
 I'm thinking the seeds are 1-Smith, 2-CNU, 3-Scranton, and 4-NYU.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 27, 2023, 04:15:07 PM
Not surprised Amherst didn't make it.Said it a couple weeks ago they would not.I think the Lady Royals have a nice pod(Will go through and see if any common opponents amongst the 4 in pod.Really nice job by the ncaa for splitting teams up.On Etown like are men (Nothing like being thrown into the fire) in that second game if they get by Steven's.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 27, 2023, 04:57:30 PM

I think the Women's Committee Chair was right up front when she said pretty clearly...at the end of the day, you need to win some games.
This view appears to be applied pretty consistently as Rochester didn't make the cut either.


Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: names jaismith on February 27, 2023, 05:01:32 PM
Here's an idea: Keep the AQ for conference tournament winners plus UAA champ.   Use Massey to choose Pool C.  There'd still access for all conferences but a stronger overall field.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 27, 2023, 07:00:50 PM
So going through the rosters came upon Rowans roster and find out Danielle McCurdy starts for them.My question why not come back to the U for your 5th year ?Small world didn't think she was playing!!!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 27, 2023, 07:35:03 PM
 Danielle has been a big factor in their success all year.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 27, 2023, 07:39:11 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 27, 2023, 07:35:03 PM
Danielle has been a big factor in their success all year.

Maybe she is dating Ryan Ems and they decided Rowan was the place to be ;)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 27, 2023, 07:44:46 PM
 :o
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2023, 04:38:10 PM
Massey actually doesn't do a great job in Division III, but D-III people are definitely looking at other ways to do this.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 28, 2023, 06:56:42 PM

Personally, I think Megan & Sara did a fantastic job this year leading their respective committees.

In the past there would be glaring inconsistencies with selections...not so this year.
I think both laid out their blueprint of what they had to work with & stuck to that template about as well as humanly possible.

I vividly remember a few years back when Dave interviewed the then chair of the Women's selection committee and asked her about how the heck is this team in & others were left out & it was embarrassing to hear her try and respond. 

Both Megan & Sara gave answers that made sense, readily admitted it's not a perfect field & are able to articulate on tough questions with honesty & a sense of humor. Some previous chairs were clearly in over their heads.

Well done!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 01, 2023, 01:07:58 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2023, 04:38:10 PM
Massey actually doesn't do a great job in Division III, but D-III people are definitely looking at other ways to do this.
I have been saying that for years.I think the best system I have seen is Matt Snyder for women basketball(not sure if he does the men?)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on March 02, 2023, 10:38:51 AM
He does, and does a wonderful job.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 02, 2023, 10:56:44 AM
Matt Snyder, Zack Snyder, ScottieDawg, Riley (Tru to the Cru), Drew (d3bubble), Titan Q -- These guys all do a really awesome job and have improved the coverage of Division III basketball exponentially over the last year or two.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 02, 2023, 02:08:41 PM
Gordon why you are here-Smith college it's gym (Scottgym)only holds 500 people will they play some where else?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 02, 2023, 02:39:12 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on March 02, 2023, 02:08:41 PM
Gordon why you are here-Smith college it's gym (Scottgym)only holds 500 people will they play some where else?

I'd be quite surprised if they need more than 500 seats.  Now, if they host again next weekend, they might have to do split sessions, but none of the top seeds are likely to travel super well.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 02, 2023, 03:30:48 PM
Okay I just thought you needed to have a capacity of 1000 seats to host in the NCAA Tournament.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 02, 2023, 04:00:33 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on March 02, 2023, 03:30:48 PM
Okay I just thought you needed to have a capacity of 1000 seats to host in the NCAA Tournament.

That's a requirement for the 2nd weekend, not the 1st, Augie.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 02, 2023, 04:03:51 PM
Okay thank you.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 02, 2023, 04:08:24 PM

Congrats to Coach O'Brian being named Coach of the Year.
Kacy getting ROY
Bridget getting Player of the Year
Maddy Ryan earning Defensive POY
Sam Rajza 2nd. Team All-Landmark.
Very worthy honors to all.
Congrats again.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 02, 2023, 05:14:34 PM
Huh, I didn't know about the capacity requirements. When I watched the NEWMAC final on Sunday, I did wonder how the very small size would impact their hosting chances for the second weekend. If Trinity wins this weekend, I'm sure the Bantams would let Smith call themselves the home team if they want to play the Sweet 16 and Elite 8 in Hartford. :)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 02, 2023, 05:56:31 PM

Gordon:
Great overview as always.
Regarding the second weekend...I'm sure Trinity would be very happy to assist those at Smith keep the games ''in the area".  ;)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 02, 2023, 08:12:01 PM
Thanks, Saratoga.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2023, 08:53:02 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 02, 2023, 04:00:33 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on March 02, 2023, 03:30:48 PM
Okay I just thought you needed to have a capacity of 1000 seats to host in the NCAA Tournament.

That's a requirement for the 2nd weekend, not the 1st, Augie.

And in addition, that's a requirement for men, not women.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 04, 2023, 10:01:10 PM
Great year for the Lady Royals.But as the saying goes live by the 3 die by the 3.Congrats to RIC on the win played our game.Definetly they had the better team tonight.Will not say much more.Good luck to the rest of the teams.Thank you to all the seniors.Signing off until next year.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 05, 2023, 10:56:39 AM

It certainly was a wonderful year.

To be honest, I think Coach O'Brian & his staff got them as far as they could with some smoke & mirrors along the way.
I mean you don't lose your returning 6'2" post presence (Kyra) at the start of the season & figure out an offense that now won't be including her unless you get the kids to buy in to the fact that things will work out & trust the system.

Then, to add even more obstacles, the loss of Maddy Ryan late in the regular season was an absolute game changer...yet they kept on finding new stars to step up & lead them to an unprecedented 8th. straight Landmark championship.

The problem was that Maddy became such an important player throughout the season with her unbelievable nose for offensive rebounds & put backs along with fantastic defense & rebounding that the bench simply could not replace her with anyone near her skill level.

Gone were the points, the rebounds & the second chance shots.

On the other hand, what can you say about Bridget that hasn't already been stated?
What an absolute joy to watch her game come together over four years and to see her become the star she is.
A valiant effort to try & put the Lady Royals on her back last night and almost single handedly lead them to victory.
Wishing her all the very best as she now moves on to St. Joe's next year for Grad. School & the chance to play one season at D-1.

Congrats as well to Kaci for earning the ROY award & becoming a star in just her freshman year.

To even get to a Final Four or win a National Championship takes talent, leadership from coaches & players, commitment to the program, & a little luck.
The Lady Royals had all the ingredients but the latter.

The future looks exceptionally bright under Coach O'Brians leadership & if we get some talented kids coming in, maybe next year Lady Luck will be on the side of the Lady Royals!  ;)

Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 05, 2023, 12:33:27 PM
 Well stated, Saratoga.
We'll have to see what happens with Maddy's and Kyra's(if she returns to school) recoveries wrt to next season and how much help the new recruits provide. There's hope that at least one, Megan Lamanna, can step in as a starter.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 05, 2023, 12:41:04 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2023, 08:53:02 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 02, 2023, 04:00:33 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on March 02, 2023, 03:30:48 PM
Okay I just thought you needed to have a capacity of 1000 seats to host in the NCAA Tournament.

That's a requirement for the 2nd weekend, not the 1st, Augie.

And in addition, that's a requirement for men, not women.

At this point, it isn't known; the men state it openly; the women state: Please review the host operations manual
for a detailed list of facility requirements. An example of gender inequity - no need for it to exist. We may find out the answer today if Smith is or is not hosting for the sectional. 
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 05, 2023, 07:00:49 PM
I'm still in shock with this loss!!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 05, 2023, 08:05:26 PM

Augie:

The reality is you can't keep losing your inside players & replace starters with subs & expect the same results.

I mean we were killed last night on the boards, killed by zero points from subs & a starter and lost the game in the paint by a ridiculous amount.

If Maddy plays, much of that is taken away.

However, she didn't play & when 3rd. string kids now become your starters...more often than not decent teams will exploit those weaknesses...and RIC most certainly did.

The sad part is this bracket was ripe for the taking by a healthy Lady Royal team.

Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 05, 2023, 08:19:59 PM
Bridget played her heart out. Congrats on a great year!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 05, 2023, 08:21:56 PM
That is the sad part Saratoga it reminds me the years with Serafini and Klingman.You work hard to put yourself in that position and to come out flat is a killer.I  mean 27% from the floor and 16% from 3pt range,Like what a time to collapse.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 05, 2023, 08:28:27 PM
So Hopefully a couple starters come back next year along with Maddy Ryan and Kaci Kranson and some key reserves plus the 4 or 5 newcomers I think 2 can start right away and maybe a d1 transfer or 2!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 05, 2023, 08:39:40 PM
And, the reason for those low % numbers is because they overplayed the ball on the perimeter daring
Scranton to try and score inside.

With no one bailing the shooters out from underneath, the only thing left is to fire away.

They also bumped every cutter to mess with timing & just did a lot of the little things it takes to win.

Think of the last play in regulation at E-town.

Bridget goes for the tie with a layup with 5 seconds left...only it doesn't go in.

However, a hustling Maddy after passing her the ball trails the play (as she should) and by doing her job, gets the rebound & put back to tie the game with 1 second.

Lady Royals win in OT.

We simply ran out of those plays & that hustle once she went down.

What might have been... but wasn't.

Can't wait for November!  ;)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 05, 2023, 08:54:58 PM
Agree Saratoga have a great Spring and Summer.Will pass along upcoming players and transfers to Scranton for both Men and Women in our message board.Also will definetly go see some baseball and softball this year.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 06, 2023, 07:36:13 AM

Sounds good, have a great one as well.

Since our daughter went to NYU for her Masters, I guess the Violets have a new fan for the next several weeks.  ;)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 06, 2023, 09:57:28 AM
Hey! there is no offseason, recruits, schedules, etc mean you guys have to check in on a weekly basis.


Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 08, 2023, 12:44:13 PM
My mind is still buzzing about that game.How is it possible to have Sam,Hartnett and Angelini all off on the same night.I just don't get it.Like wow 29 games and this team didn't shoot like that all year long and then all of a sudden boom three players can't hit the rim or even score.Basketball will always get the best of me come playoffs.Im not sure if they went in to cocky or what but they left their guard down and im not taking anything away from RIC.But it reminds me of Dipillo(By the way is out of a job I think)first round exit.I just will never get it especially this team and the teams they beat and it wasn't by 2 points they beat teams in the sweet 16 handedly.Just SMH
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on March 08, 2023, 03:47:26 PM
Since Pitt's head coach was let go, and usually new coaches bring in their own staff, I wouldn't be surprised if Nick is out of a job...
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 08, 2023, 03:59:26 PM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on March 08, 2023, 03:47:26 PM
Since Pitt's head coach was let go, and usually new coaches bring in their own staff, I wouldn't be surprised if Nick is out of a job...
And the associate head coach, Terri Mitchell, a cousin of a high school friend of mine, she formerly was head coach of Marquette, but gave it up for family reasons, and Abby Anderson, possibly, if not kept for recruiting.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 08, 2023, 04:19:00 PM

Like I mentioned when DiPillo first announced he was leaving for Pitt, I hope he got at least a 2 year contract because Lance White was already on very shaky ground due to his horrible record over his first 4 years & this past season was the final year of his contract.

Not exactly the program you want to leave for given the circumstances.

I hope his 'agent" gives him a rebate on this move cause it was a head scratcher from the beginning...unless the ego is so large that any position in D-1 had to be attained.

He'll probably have a position carved out for him back at Seton Hall & in two years he'll leave again, this time for William Patterson or FDU Florham.

The UofS struck gold with his departure.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 11, 2023, 09:13:38 PM
What could have been????Congrats to RIC going to the Final four next week in Hartford.Might head up to watch.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 11, 2023, 09:32:22 PM

Well, if you're going to lose, it takes a little of the sting away when that team that defeated you keeps on winning.
Can't win without an inside game...hope Coach O'Brian has made that priority number 1.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 12, 2023, 12:08:18 AM
 I like RIC PG Madison Medbury(only a soph) but I think Cinderella is finished when they play CNU. The other game could be a tossup. Transylvania's Stacy and Thornton are excellent, as is Yamada for Smith. Don't know why Trinity didn't focus on Yamada; she's been doing it all year.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 12, 2023, 07:29:39 PM

Not to mention the unbelievable job on the boards Kelly Pakunka & Morgan Morrison do and the points in the paint they score.
Their point runs a great game & they score inside/out exceptionally well.
Plus, it certainly appears lady luck is rolling with them thus far.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on March 14, 2023, 03:56:07 PM
Landmark conference is well represented on the all-region team with three first on the first team (Monaghan - POY, Kranson - ROY and McNulty) and three on the second team.  Congrats to all!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 14, 2023, 05:29:04 PM
 Had 4 of my prospects make the region 5 teams, 2 1st and 2 seconds; 3 more 1st and 2 seconds on the other regions teams.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 14, 2023, 06:00:55 PM

Good job...now if you can ever point one in the direction of the Electric City, we'll be cooking.  ;D

Then again, the Lady Royals have done pretty well through the years & held their own.

I see the 3 NJ recruits coming in next year have all made the North/South Jersey All-Star team.

Unfortunately, none are post players.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 14, 2023, 06:27:33 PM
 Etown has 1 of my post prospects coming in along with a good guard; Catholic has a forward committed. They're all that I'm aware of, presently. May find out more next month at my 1st AAU tourney of the new season.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 14, 2023, 07:27:09 PM

E-town has Danni Ray-Renno for the next two years down on the blocks.
What's this kid thinking?
E-town has McNulty & Romanowski at guard for the next 2 & 3 years...what's that kid thinking?
Time for you to turn up the heat & close some deals.  :o
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 14, 2023, 08:07:18 PM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on March 14, 2023, 03:56:07 PM
Landmark conference is well represented on the all-region team with three first on the first team (Monaghan - POY, Kranson - ROY and McNulty) and three on the second team.  Congrats to all!

I am going to call shenangins that Kranson wasn't recruited by the previous Coach.

Congrats to all.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 14, 2023, 08:41:46 PM
Quote from: saratoga on March 14, 2023, 07:27:09 PM

E-town has Danni Ray-Renno for the next two years down on the blocks.
What's this kid thinking?
E-town has McNulty & Romanowski at guard for the next 2 & 3 years...what's that kid thinking?
Time for you to turn up the heat & close some deals.  :o

If you're good enough, a coach will play you; gives them some more options(hi/lo posts, screens for McNulty and the new guard, etc.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 14, 2023, 08:47:11 PM
This past year we received all of 7 ppg. from the previous coach's "recruiting efforts".

Maddy Ryan was not his recruit, she was headed to Millersville before a late head coaching change prior to her freshman year.

He never spoke to Kranson, Romanowski (Western Wayne) @ E-town, Clair Marion (Abington) at Dickenson, Lizzy Neville (Scranton Prep) @ F&M, Scoblick (Abington) @ Catholic & the list goes on & on.

For not even once reaching out to Kaci should have grounds for negligent dismissal.

Numerous Scranton area coaches never once heard from him in 3 years...unfortunately, the next few years may be somewhat lean due to his lack of follow through during his brief tenure.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on March 14, 2023, 09:29:23 PM
Quote from: saratoga on March 14, 2023, 06:00:55 PM

Good job...now if you can ever point one in the direction of the Electric City, we'll be cooking.  ;D

Then again, the Lady Royals have done pretty well through the years & held their own.

I see the 3 NJ recruits coming in next year have all made the North/South Jersey All-Star team.

Unfortunately, none are post players.

Of those 3, Gorski is 6'1" and averaged 6 rebounds and 1.5 blocks last year.  She needs a little more muscle but could develop into an effective post. 

There's also Bennett, the 6-footer from Staten Island.  She looks a little more polished right now and could contribute a little sooner. 

Hopefully at least one of them can develop at the next level.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 15, 2023, 10:45:27 AM
To second Saratogas point-No shenanigans when you talk to the parents they would not lie about this.Also when the coach tells the kids he will not recruit Pa kids all he is doing is going after the portal transfer- He can take a hike.Believe me I heard from parents,coaches etc at the games about the former coach and alot more that I will not say here.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 16, 2023, 10:45:05 AM
Even RIC coach said we couldn't beat Scranton unless we out rebounded them 10-15+ and that is what they did 46-31.I hope like Saratoga said Ben goes and gets a big or transfer.I would love for another Shelley Parks or Jackie Dougherty.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 16, 2023, 01:55:10 PM
Have to say hats off to CNU only school with Men and Women in the final four.Has that ever been achieved and if they win the title samething?That is great for that school.Congrats to both of them for getting this far.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 16, 2023, 02:45:56 PM

Both men and women at the final four is more common than you'd think. Not sure we've ever hada double title, though.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 16, 2023, 02:51:33 PM
Wow I had no clue that the  same schools going to the final four men and women was that common.I could see making tournament but final four in the same year.That was a news flash to me thanks Ryan for that info truly appreciate it..
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 16, 2023, 03:09:11 PM
woof. UVA.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 16, 2023, 05:28:13 PM
Nepafan How about this The Top 25 was almost perfect picking the top 4 in women.This is still killing me.# 1 CNU,#2 Transylvania (No number 3 knocked out in the second round, replaced by a team not even ranked) RCI,#4 Smith nice job pollsters.Almost had it perfect 1,2,3,4.Great job
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 16, 2023, 06:30:33 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 16, 2023, 03:09:11 PM
woof. UVA.
Next one to take the couch Arizona congratulations to Princeton WOWWWW
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 18, 2023, 09:38:46 PM

All I can say is the Smith/Tranny game had to be the worst officiated Final Four game of all time.

Taking the National POY (Morgan Morrison) literally out of the game for 8 minutes of the 3rd. quarter & the first 3 minutes of the 4th. absolutely ended any chances Smith had to pull this one out.

Three invisible fouls and one boarder line call all but eliminated Smith's inside game & forced everything outside.

These 3 refs should spend the next 5 years doing 8th. grade games.

That being said...Tranny is far better than I thought they might be & I see them knocking off CNU in a great game.

No ref help needed.

To say Lynn is pisse% would be the understatement of the year.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 18, 2023, 10:57:55 PM
 I thought Smith erred by not getting Morrison in for the final 3 mins of the 2nd quarter; there were a couple of Smith subs at the scorer's table but they never got in. Coach should have used a timeout to get them in(couldn't tell if Morrison was 1 of the subs waiting for the clock stoppage that never happened).
  Agree that Transy is good. The center played a solid game and was effective with her 1 post move. Kellione played better than against NYU, showing why she was all-regional. They have an assistant coach of statistical analytics, similar to what's used now in baseball; I wonder if his game plan featured getting Morrison into foul trouble.
  The magic finally left Yamada.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 19, 2023, 04:21:18 PM
Hats off to R.I.C was not easy like some thought for CNU.I said earlier that Transylvania played a weak Schedule but I think R.I.C gave some insights on how to handle the maniac press of CNU.I will take Transylvania.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 19, 2023, 07:56:03 PM
Transylvania's schedule wasn't great, but I've come around to realize it probably wouldn't matter. This team is really, really good.

Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on March 19, 2023, 09:18:11 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on March 19, 2023, 07:56:03 PM
Transylvania's schedule wasn't great, but I've come around to realize it probably wouldn't matter. This team is really, really good.

I've come to the same conclusion Gordon.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 21, 2023, 03:49:59 PM
 Salisbury HC and former Lady Royal Kelly Baskow steps down from the position after 12 seasons. She was a major contributor on Scranton's back-to-back Final 4 teams in 2005 & 2006.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 21, 2023, 04:19:09 PM
Saw that Ronk alot of moving parts,Taking place at Salusbury.See also the AD is retiring also.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 23, 2023, 11:03:51 PM
Congrats To Dunmore Lady Bucks on winning State Championship.Coach Obrien truly built a dynasty at Dunmore.Congrats again.Truly glad he is leading the Lady Royals.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 26, 2023, 10:49:09 PM
 Catholic 2nd team all-conference Erin Doherty chooses Drexel as a grad transfer.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 27, 2023, 12:01:17 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on March 23, 2023, 11:03:51 PM
Congrats To Dunmore Lady Bucks on winning State Championship.Coach Obrien truly built a dynasty at Dunmore.Congrats again.Truly glad he is leading the Lady Royals.

Who is coaching there now as his replacement?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on March 27, 2023, 12:51:59 PM
Carrie Toomey, Victoria and Ciera's mom (and a Dunmore HS legend in her own right!)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 27, 2023, 12:54:23 PM
Victoria & Ciera Toomey's mom, Carrie.
Former star player herself at F&M...holds many of their women's records.
She was Ben's assistant coach the past 5/6 years.

Re: Doherty
May be a smart move as I know there are 2 guard openings with the transfers of Murray & Lavelle plus any standard grads.
Emily Shurina also attends Drexel for Grad. school but did not attempt to play.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on March 27, 2023, 12:55:08 PM
Congrats to Bridget Monaghan (1st Team) and Summer McNulty (5th Team) on being named D3hoops.com All-Americans!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 27, 2023, 01:52:32 PM
Yes congrat I'm not sure how Kaci Kranson is not rookie of the year or at least Co rookie.Numbers do not lie.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on March 27, 2023, 03:01:22 PM
Kranson had a tremendous year, no doubt, but Schleusner's was better. 

Schleusner led W&L in scoring (14.2/game) rebounding (11.9/game - 17th in the country), blocks (90 - 3rd in the country!) and steals (36) plus had 59 assists.  Really her only drawback was 104 turnovers. 

Compare these numbers to Kranson's 14.6 points and 6.3 rebounds (both 2nd on the team), 14 blocks, 35 steals, 37 assists.

Given the comparable nature of the scoring and steals, the rebounds and blocked shots really put Schleusner over the top.  Kranson is an important part of Scranton's team and will be even more so next year, but I bet O'Brien would have loved to have someone like Schleusner in the middle this year!

Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 27, 2023, 03:15:48 PM
This was exactly the conversation we had yesterday about these two players and this is how we reached this conclusion, too.

Weird! Get out of my head! :)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 27, 2023, 05:05:46 PM
My eyes that is to close to call and it should have went Co Rookie.We are talking by a fraction yes she has more blocks but Kranson beats her by a fraction 14.6 to 14.2,FG % 44.8 to 44.1,3pt shooting Kranson 27-73 39%-Schleusner 8-25 32%,Ft- Kranson 85-100 85%,Schleusner-71-112 63%Kranson 410pts,Sch-413pts,Rebounds Schleusner clear winner 11.9Reb to Kranson 6.8Reb,Pf -Kranson 59,Schleusner 72,Ast-Kranson 37,S-59,TO -Kranson 48,Sch-104,Steals -Kranson 35,Sch-36and finally Blocks Schleusner 90,Kranson 14.So this is really tight if you say well look at blocks well look at 3pt shooting and Ft.In my mind Kranson won Rookie of the year in Region 5 all by herself ,Schleusner was Co rookie in Region 6.So I will stick with my thought and Say if anything it should have been Co Rookie!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: scottiedawg on March 28, 2023, 10:34:46 AM
Schleusner on a rate basis was waaay better (but also you can't just extrapolate the same rate production into Kranson's greater minutes). Can't wait to see Schleusner play a bunch more next year!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 28, 2023, 03:39:43 PM
Who was Co rookie with Her in Region 6?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 28, 2023, 04:27:44 PM
Shantasia John - Belhaven

It's inconsistent reasoning that a co-ROY in the region wouldn't also be co-Roy nationally if the other(Schleusner) was there .
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 28, 2023, 09:20:44 PM
Never heard of them!Scranton definetly needs to get some bigs, Etown is loading up on some bigs.Maybe just maybe one of Ronks prospects will end up at Scranton and hopefully she is 6ft2 Shelly Parks type of player.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 29, 2023, 06:02:28 PM
QuoteIt's inconsistent reasoning that a co-ROY in the region wouldn't also be co-Roy nationally if the other(Schleusner) was there

It's a fair point, and this gets a little inside baseball but here's the reasoning.

The folks who vote for All-Region really, REALLY liked Shantasia John and the All-Region awards are driven to a very large degree by the votes they cast. We may make some adjustments by position so we don't have four centers on a team. We also sometimes make adjustments for teams who don't play as many in region games and are therefore naturally underrepresented. This has occasionally been the case for UAA teams (though not this year) and now C2C teams like CNU and Mary Washington in Region 6.

In general though, I try not to ask people to vote -- which is a time commitment and volunteer -- and then just overrule them by swapping the voters' choice for our own.

When it comes to Regional ROY, we'll take the voters choice and add someone because we know that their resume is competitive at a national level. That happens very rarely but that's what happened here.

John was far and away the voters' choice. We knew Schleusner merited consideration for National ROY. It felt more reasonable to take both than to take one person as Regional ROY and then another as national ROY. We would've done the same thing with Kranson if, for some reason, the voters picked someone else in front of her as ROY. Fortunately that wasn't an issue.

Then when it gets to the national awards, it's a different story. We use All-Region seletions as a starting point but All Americans are our awards, not a simple listing of which players had the most All-Region votes. I would not have voted John ahead of Schleusner, and I don't think anyone on our team would've either.

I recognize this isn't entirely consistent and these awards often aren't. Heck, Shantasia John was the only player to win her conference's player of the year award but she wasn't the Rookie of the Year. That honor went to Laila Battle who was the conference's sixth man of the year.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 29, 2023, 06:54:38 PM
 Gordon,
Fair enough - didn't realize that there were different voting groups for all-region and national awards.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on April 01, 2023, 01:13:05 AM
I took a fun trip down memory lane this week in preparation for the rare 1-versus-2 matchup with have in the title game. Two former Lady Royals helped me with the piece...

http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/women/2023-cnu-transy-seventh-heaven
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on April 03, 2023, 07:02:55 PM
Scranton scores big on the recruiting front. Former Dunmore standout Victoria Toomey commits to Scranton as a grad transfer. Played 20+ games all 4 years at D1 Rider. Averaged 9.0 PPG, 4.5 RPG this past year. Those are solid numbers at a low-major D1. 6'2 center who will give Scranton an inside presence.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 03, 2023, 09:33:39 PM

Thanks Riley.
This was the buzz going around 6 weeks ago then it died down.
Glad to see it listed in the latest portal updates.
She will compliment Scranton's outside game tremendously.
If Maddy Ryan comes back near full strength after her injury at the end of this year, the Lady Royals will have the inside presence they missed so much in the tournament.
Just 185 days till practice begins!  ;)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 04, 2023, 08:48:12 AM
Article in the Times today about Ms. Toomey and her decision to come to home to the Electric City.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on April 04, 2023, 09:25:08 AM
Quote from: saratoga on April 03, 2023, 09:33:39 PM

Thanks Riley.
This was the buzz going around 6 weeks ago then it died down.
Glad to see it listed in the latest portal updates.
She will compliment Scranton's outside game tremendously.
If Maddy Ryan comes back near full strength after her injury at the end of this year, the Lady Royals will have the inside presence they missed so much in the tournament.
Just 185 days till practice begins!  ;)

Yeah I'd heard something about it too, but then went and looked and didn't see anything confirmed. Looks like she posted something on Twitter yesterday that kind of confirmed the suspicion that many had that she would end up at Scranton. Played for O'Brien in HS obviously, so that had to have helped massively in her decision.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on April 05, 2023, 09:43:23 AM
Looks good on Twitter, er paper.

Hopefully it's a Katie Titus (Rochester) situation where she's an instant All-American in her lone year.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 05, 2023, 10:56:22 AM

I like that possibility.  ;)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on April 05, 2023, 12:18:48 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on April 05, 2023, 09:43:23 AM
Looks good on Twitter, er paper.

Hopefully it's a Katie Titus (Rochester) situation where she's an instant All-American in her lone year.

I'm usually pretty skeptical when it's like a walk-on from D1 who barely played (lots of those situations in football every year). But the fact that she started for Rider and played 20+ games in all 4 years there makes me more confident. She averaged 9.0 PPG which could translate to quite a few points for Scranton this year. And that one-two punch with Kranson is going to make Scranton a candidate for No. 1. All my opinions of course!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 05, 2023, 01:03:34 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on April 05, 2023, 09:43:23 AM
Looks good on Twitter, er paper.

Hopefully it's a Katie Titus (Rochester) situation where she's an instant All-American in her lone year.

A more appropriate comparison would be with our own Abby Anderson. While Toomey has much better D1 stats than Abby coming in, having seen Abby in AAU multiple times and strongly lobbying Trevor for her before she chose D1, I was convinced that she was going to have the All-American year for Scranton that transpired.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 05, 2023, 08:15:01 PM

Riley & Scott:

Great podcast wrap-up of the year & Gordon, thanks for getting the views of two very prominent Lady Royals for your article.

As for determining Amherst as the # 1 overrated team, I fully understand your point.
You aren't saying they should have essentially done far better but just fell apart.
Actually, many of the voters just expected more because we've all become accustomed to seeing GP weave gold from straw.
As you note, they have everyone coming back & they will be ready.
Last year I saw Alix Stuart and she couldn't walk and catch a pass, let alone do anything with the ball.
By the end of this season, she was running the floor & was catching passes behind the defense and scoring.
All things considered, a pretty remarkable improvement in one year.

At any rate, thanks for the hard work & great articles.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on April 11, 2023, 07:46:04 AM
Bridget Monaghan is discussed in this interview with Cindy Griffin at St.Joe's:

https://www.cityofbasketballlove.com/news_article/show/1268300
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 18, 2023, 08:58:29 PM

Former Bowdoin coach Schiebles out at Dartmouth after only 2 years.
That escalated rather quickly.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 18, 2023, 10:00:56 PM

Also looks like the Goucher women's coach that came from Lackawanna has left the Gophers after 1 season.
Thought she did a nice job considering their overall talent level upon her arrival....or, lack thereof.

Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on April 19, 2023, 12:47:58 PM
Quote from: saratoga on April 05, 2023, 08:15:01 PM

Riley & Scott:

Great podcast wrap-up of the year & Gordon, thanks for getting the views of two very prominent Lady Royals for your article.

As for determining Amherst as the # 1 overrated team, I fully understand your point.
You aren't saying they should have essentially done far better but just fell apart.
Actually, many of the voters just expected more because we've all become accustomed to seeing GP weave gold from straw.
As you note, they have everyone coming back & they will be ready.
Last year I saw Alix Stuart and she couldn't walk and catch a pass, let alone do anything with the ball.
By the end of this season, she was running the floor & was catching passes behind the defense and scoring.
All things considered, a pretty remarkable improvement in one year.

At any rate, thanks for the hard work & great articles.

Sorry for seeing this late. Thanks for the kind words! Comes from a passion and appreciation for this great level of WBB. Amherst came out as the most overrated team according to Scott's numbers, so that's what we were going off of. To be honest, there are a couple teams I might put ahead of Amherst in that "overrated" category, based on my eye test assessment. Young teams tend to be wild cards. Amherst had a decent season considering that, but also played in one of the toughest leagues in the country. They'll be back at the top of the NESCAC again next year.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 19, 2023, 01:49:04 PM
Quote from: saratoga on April 18, 2023, 08:58:29 PM

Former Bowdoin coach Schiebles out at Dartmouth after only 2 years.
That escalated rather quickly.

Surprising - while she had no success in the 2 years, usually a new coach is given enough time to see how they do with their own recruits.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on April 19, 2023, 02:26:14 PM
Lavelle following Murray to Penn State!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on April 19, 2023, 02:33:09 PM
Collins made a visit also it could be all 3 locals at Penn State she needs players. 7 left for transfers in the womens basketball program.Hopefully this is the right fit for them but I doubt it.Big Ten,ACC,SEC,Pac 10 different ball game especially seeing Caitlin Clark twice a year.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 19, 2023, 03:19:52 PM

The word from gym-mom is it's a 3-pac. (C.C. included).
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 19, 2023, 03:45:02 PM
 I'd call it a reach for CC.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 21, 2023, 11:10:11 AM
Scranton has a Job Req for FT assistant coach..
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 21, 2023, 12:20:09 PM
 Rini has gone?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 21, 2023, 02:04:47 PM

If she has, it may be to Wilkes.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 21, 2023, 02:49:50 PM
Hopefully, a spot now open for Abby.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 21, 2023, 02:52:02 PM
Quote from: saratoga on April 21, 2023, 02:04:47 PM

If she has, it may be to Wilkes.

Tara Macciocco could give her all the info on Wilkes since they're both coaching with NEPA Elite this AAU season.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 21, 2023, 02:55:43 PM
Nothing on anyone leaving. Maybe they are doing another FT position.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on April 24, 2023, 07:07:45 PM
Ronk Remi Sisselman to Lehigh from Bucknell
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on April 24, 2023, 08:14:06 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on April 24, 2023, 07:07:45 PM
Ronk Remi Sisselman to Lehigh from Bucknell

Liked Remi as a D3 prospect, but not as a D1.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on May 02, 2023, 11:08:04 AM
Al Berger hired at Wilkes for the Women's program.Coming from Keystone womens basketball!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 04, 2023, 05:57:39 PM
 Goucher has a new WBB HC - Mike Ricks, formerly Birmingham-Southern HC.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 08, 2023, 05:50:19 PM

Well, since its been a slow news day the past several weeks, I'll add formally what was once just a whisper.
NEPA Elite has made Kaeli's transfer to the UofS official.
The following is their recent update on this great news for the Lady Royals.


The University of Scranton women's basketball team continues to add to its local influence through transfers.

Former NEPA Elite 17U Clark team player Kaeli Romanowski, a Western Wayne graduate, will join the Lady Royals next season after beginning her college career with one season playing for Landmark Conference rival Elizabethtown College.

Romanowski was a second-team, all-state selection after leading Western Wayne to the second round of the Pennsylvania Interscholastic Athletic Association Class 3A state tournament as a senior. The speedy point guard was a three-time Lackawanna League Division 2 Player of the Year selection by NEPABasketball.com and a first-team, all-District 2 choice as a senior after leading the Lady Wildcats to three division titles and two district championship game appearances.

Earlier this month, Dunmore graduate Victoria Toomey announced that she would play at Scranton in her last year of eligibility after spending four seasons on the National Collegiate Athletic Association Division I level at Rider University. Toomey earned multiple District 2 Player of the Year awards and all-state honors while playing for the Lady Bucks.

In his first season coaching the Lady Royals, former Dunmore coach Ben O'Brien added Holy Redeemer graduate Sam Rajza as a graduate student transfer who had played four seasons at King's College.

Kaci Kranson, a former NEPA Elite teammate of Romanowski's from Holy Cross, and Rajza were starters on the Scranton team that won its first 28 games before suffering its only loss in the second round of the NCAA Division III Tournament.

Kranson was named tournament Most Valuable Player when Scranton defeated Elizabethtown, 69-54, in the final for its eighth straight Landmark Conference title. She had 19 points, 12 rebounds and 5 assists in that victory.

Romanowski was the most-used player off the Elizabethtown bench in that game, finishing with five points and at 5-foot-4 was the team's second-leading rebounder with seven. She had one of her best games in a January trip to Scranton to battle for first place in the Landmark at the time. In 26 minutes, Romanowski had 12 points, 5 assists, 4 steals and 3 rebounds.

During her freshman season with the Blue Jays, Romanowski led the Blue Jays (23-5) in steals with 2.4 per game while also averaging 5.4 points, 3.9 rebounds and 2.4 assists in 19.6 minutes per game while playing in all but one game. She shot 41.5 percent from the floor and was second on the team in both assists and free throw percentage (79.7).

As teammates, Romanowski and Kranson helped NEPA Elite repeat as Hoop Group Showcase League 17U champions priors to their senior seasons in high school.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 09, 2023, 04:48:04 PM
 Wonder if Kaeli will play softball, also; she was reportedly an excellent player.

No mention of the end-of-the season banquet/fundraiser for the wbb team normally held in May before the semester end.

Assistant coach position for wbb no longer listed as open under job opportunities; maybe we'll hear soon of the selection.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on May 12, 2023, 10:27:41 PM
 Kelly Mazzante is headed to the top of the hill in DC .Georgetown as an assistant!!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on May 16, 2023, 09:34:26 PM

Scranton Prep's Cecelia Collins is moving from Bucknell to Columbia.
Glad she didn't join her sister at NYU.  ;)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on May 19, 2023, 04:16:19 PM
Seriously Dipillo is just poking and hoping for work!Cmon 3 different  jobs in your last 3 years.HC (Scranton)Assistant Coach(Pitt)and now Bowling Green(His agent is already looking for next year Joking) I wonder if he tried at Bucknell?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on May 23, 2023, 10:26:21 PM
 Royals are announcing their incoming class on Twitter this week starting with Liz Bennett today.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on May 26, 2023, 07:24:10 AM
Smart move.  It gives each recruit her moment in the spotlight rather than just being clumped in together as part of a single press release (which I'm sure they'll do eventually) and drives more traffic to their Twitter feed. 
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 02, 2023, 02:37:21 PM
 Abby Anderson is hired by the new Pitt HC as director of basketball operations; I was hoping that she would get the Scranton FT assistant position opened some time ago.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on June 02, 2023, 03:16:04 PM

About 23 years old and already Director of Basketball Operations at a D1 school in the prestigious  ACC...she's doing just fine Ronk, she's doing fine.  :)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on June 04, 2023, 12:13:23 AM
Who was leaving that the Full time position was available?As far as I know everyone that was on the team last year is coming back in same position!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 04, 2023, 01:00:32 AM
 There was no FT assistant last season; Jess Rini was PT.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on July 07, 2023, 10:05:12 AM

Huge congrats to Bridget on getting her jersey hung at the Women's Basketball Hall of Fame.
Quite the honor for a great kid who probably would have re-written every offensive record at the UofS had she not received a scholarship to attend D-1 St. Joe's for her 5th. year.

This makes two years in a row the Lady Royals have had this honor with Abby Anderson having her's hung from the rafters last year.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on July 10, 2023, 02:20:28 PM
Jason Rhine leaves Misericordia for Keystone .If true Why ???
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on July 10, 2023, 04:52:15 PM

Let's just say the choice to leave Miseri wasn't his.
I'd also say he's very lucky the Keystone position was still available.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: scottiedawg on July 11, 2023, 11:20:10 AM
I'm keeping a list of all returning players and would love help if anyone has information that is/can be public.

These are all the Seniors from Landmark teams that I am assuming are not coming back for a 5th year. (excluded Monaghan and Doherty, who transferred out):

[ sorted by percentage of team's minutes played ]

Kaitlyn Lynch, Susquehanna
Joey Meyers, Drew
Sam Rajza, Scranton
Kyani Quarles, Goucher
Gwen Alberici, Drew
Morgan Amy, Moravian
Kayla Yoegel, Moravian
Julia Marino, Wilkes
Rachel Bussanich, Catholic
Emily Markowski, Moravian
Tessa Zamolyi, Moravian
Kenzie Reed, Lycoming
Erin Thompson, Catholic
Isabella Schwabe, Susquehanna
Brenna Babcock, Wilkes
Katrina Wojtowicz, Drew
Amelia Baldo, Catholic
Erin Shober, Wilkes
Ashley Robinson, Moravian
Sammie McCarter, Catholic
Sara Walsh, Scranton
Kyra Mann, Drew
Alayna McFadden, Goucher
Claire Flynn, Goucher
Clare Marchese, Elizabethtown
Tess Edwards, Wilkes
Emma Duerr, Scranton
Victoria Clarke, Susquehanna
Maggie Bednarek, Catholic
Belle Carini, Goucher
Julia Tomlinson, Catholic
Kyra Quigley, Scranton
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on July 11, 2023, 04:11:28 PM

My understanding regarding Scranton seniors:

*Hannah Angelini-back for 5th. year
*Sara Walsh-contemplating a return
*Kyra Quigley-contemplating her 5th. year.
Technically, has two years to play as she tore her ACL just before her senior season.
*Sam Rajza-already completed her 5th. year
*Emma Duerr-graduated, not returning for 5th. year.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on July 17, 2023, 08:44:02 PM
No Kings or Ithaca this year for Lady Royals!Hopefully Schedule is released soon.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: scottiedawg on July 18, 2023, 11:23:06 AM
I have not yet seen Scranton as a NonConf opponent on any schedule I've seen so far this year.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on July 18, 2023, 11:27:14 AM
Quote from: scottiedawg on July 18, 2023, 11:23:06 AM
I have not yet seen Scranton as a NonConf opponent on any schedule I've seen so far this year.

They are folding !
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on July 18, 2023, 09:24:19 PM
Scottiedog -I thoughts Kings and Ithaca would be on Lady Royals schedule but I guess not.Well let us see if Stevens,Desales and William Patterson are on Non conference.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on July 19, 2023, 10:28:46 AM
Maybe the Women's schedule and Men's schedule and recruits will be broadcast on FloSports... ;)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: scottiedawg on July 19, 2023, 12:23:30 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on July 18, 2023, 09:24:19 PM
Scottiedog -I thoughts Kings and Ithaca would be on Lady Royals schedule but I guess not.Well let us see if Stevens,Desales and William Patterson are on Non conference.

Same.  I guess there's a chance Scranton is at the Emmanuel, Ithaca, FDU Florham, 4th team tournament?

The weakness of bottom of the Landmark with Wilkes and Lycoming incoming make it more important for Scranton's schedule to include a bunch of these:

Christopher Newport
DeSales
Gettysburg
Arcadia
Bridgewater (VA)
Ramapo
Messiah
Johns Hopkins
Greensboro
Emory
Centre
Marymount
Dickinson
Randolph-Macon
Stockton
New Jersey City
TCNJ
Stevens
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on July 19, 2023, 07:37:01 PM
Feels like the landmark conference is going back to the M.A.C with Wilkes,Lycoming addition.Hey commish see if Upsala(Folded) wants to join also.Then Kings,FDU-Madison (Next year )
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on July 19, 2023, 10:04:03 PM
I think I heard Desales at Desales and Steven's not sure if it's home or away.One other thing I heard they are trying to Team up with someone else in conference to bring in 2 great teams from other regions to play Scranton and say Etown and switch facilities every year
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on July 19, 2023, 10:37:36 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on July 19, 2023, 10:04:03 PM
I think I heard Desales at Desales and Steven's not sure if it's home or away.One other thing I heard they are trying to Team up with someone else in conference to bring in 2 great teams from other regions to play Scranton and say Etown and switch facilities every year

That was my recommendation to Ben when he said they were having problems getting quality teams to the Poinsettia tourney - make it a classic format instead by having E-town also and ensuring 2 quality games for prospective invitees.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on July 19, 2023, 11:50:21 PM
Yes I knew some one suggested it Ronk.I wasn't sure but your correct!!!Not a bad idea instead of getting teams like the men do.i like that idea you get 2 teams from Landmark going up against say  two teams from the Wiac or Nescac not a bad idea Ronk.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on July 19, 2023, 11:54:12 PM
Any of you guys remember Upsala and it's gym???
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on July 20, 2023, 12:42:05 AM
 Upsala's gym was one that my frosh team traveled to play(either South or East Orange; Seton Hall was in a different Orange than Upsala); all I remember is a number of local alumni sitting behind our bench 
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on July 20, 2023, 11:47:18 PM
Yes Ronk East Orange.It was a Dingy gym held about 400 people or 500.Ive been to alot of D3 gymnasiums.Not a great gym
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on July 25, 2023, 12:27:37 AM
Surprised we are playing @ Etown on a Wednesday Jan 3rd Then at home last game of the season Feb 17 Sat.But playing Susquehanna both on a Saturday Home Jan 6th then @ Susquehannz on  Saturday FEB 10TH
Just thought we would play Etown on Saturdays!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on July 25, 2023, 01:32:41 AM
 Conference schedule has changed this year with the addition of Wilkes and Lycoming; 9 single games on Wednesdays(play 4 closest teams home and away(Wilkes, Drew, Moravian, Lycoming) plus 1(Etown-away this season). 4 farthest teams are played on Saturday home and away doubleheaders plus 1(Etown-home this season). 
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on July 25, 2023, 07:11:43 AM
Thanks Ronk
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on July 25, 2023, 02:25:28 PM

Just In...

Kate Pearson leaves Cabrini for Rowan.
Great hire for the Prof's...no sense in her wasting another year with a program about to turn the lights off.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on July 25, 2023, 03:51:36 PM
Good for her!  I figured she would be in demand, it's just a matter of what move was right for her family.

She continues the recent Scranton to Rowan connection of Ems and McCurdy.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: mailsy on July 25, 2023, 05:25:21 PM
Quote from: saratoga on July 25, 2023, 02:25:28 PM

Just In...

Kate Pearson leaves Cabrini for Rowan.
Great hire for the Prof's...no sense in her wasting another year with a program about to turn the lights off.

And the bleeding continues. Ugh! Death by a thousand cuts.  :(
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on July 25, 2023, 05:47:29 PM

I feel for you Mailsy.
I can't even imagine what this must feel like.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on July 25, 2023, 05:51:44 PM
The Upsala(closed in the early '90s) support group is probably defunct now.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on August 03, 2023, 05:05:29 PM

I think it's about time the Scranton SID releases the Lady Royals schedule.

On the men's side...they lose S. Braunstein to transfer portal & Stevens.

That program is spiraling down the drain.



Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on August 03, 2023, 07:49:01 PM
Quote from: saratoga on August 03, 2023, 05:05:29 PM

I think it's about time the Scranton SID releases the Lady Royals schedule.

On the men's side...they lose S. Braunstein to transfer portal & Stevens.

That program is spiraling down the drain.


Don't be so dramatic..... ;D
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on August 03, 2023, 08:05:42 PM

Ok...

It appears, that program (Scranton), is spiraling down the drain.  :o
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on August 14, 2023, 03:22:21 PM
No schedule yet?Maybe October?From what I heard the schedule was released two months ago!No reason they can't release the schedules.Um is Kevin Southard around ?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 14, 2023, 08:52:49 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on August 14, 2023, 03:22:21 PM
No schedule yet???Maybe October???From what I heard the schedule was released two months ago!!!No reason they can't release the schedules.Um is Kevin Southard around ?????

It might be that Scranton is launching a new website this season on the other major web provider. Since it's still almost 90 days until games start, I'm not sure this is worth ten question marks and three exclamation points.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on August 14, 2023, 09:25:03 PM
I think Wilkes,Etown,Susquehanna belong to the same league?????
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on August 14, 2023, 09:30:13 PM
Also they put out Soccer and Volleyball in May I think and Volleyball starts in September.Same school same league same Flosports.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 14, 2023, 10:01:02 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on August 14, 2023, 09:30:13 PM
Also they put out Soccer and Volleyball in May I think and Volleyball starts in September.Same school same league same Flosports.

This isn't about FloSports, the webstreaming provider. This is about PrestoSports and Sidearm.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on August 14, 2023, 10:23:04 PM
Pat I'm asking a question that Saratoga was more forward asking!But because I put up 22 question marks and 16 exclamation.You want to argue.They have the schedule for over 2 months or maybe 3 meaning the sid(Because i talked to that person while softball was still in play).If you can release the Volleyball and Soccer why not basketball.If it was anything to do with the new program then why give them out?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on August 14, 2023, 10:52:28 PM
The other reason why I would Ike to see the schedule is so my girl can give her job a heads up(3months in advance ) of the days we travel  and stay over.I don't sit home and watch them on screen I go to every game been doing it for 40 years.So if they are in Vegas We go ,if they go to Puerto Rico we go If they are at Wilkes We go etc.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on August 15, 2023, 06:47:21 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 14, 2023, 10:01:02 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on August 14, 2023, 09:30:13 PM
Also they put out Soccer and Volleyball in May I think and Volleyball starts in September.Same school same league same Flosports.

This isn't about FloSports, the webstreaming provider. This is about PrestoSports and Sidearm.

There was a problem in the transition; I noticed discrepancies with last season's basketball stats; emailed our SID last month; he was aware of it and it was being worked.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on August 16, 2023, 01:53:31 PM
https://athletics.scranton.edu/news/2023/8/16/womens-golf-releases-fall-2023-schedule.aspx?fbclid=IwAR3HJ23YvX4stB2wkx-a8YySjxa5Sg0EvEi8AbIgqt14VHIkJl0ZKV83gbs
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 16, 2023, 04:07:09 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on August 14, 2023, 10:23:04 PM
If you can release the Volleyball and Soccer why not basketball.

You might be aware that those are fall sports, and basketball is a winter sport. Apples and oranges.

Quote from: Augie2020 on August 14, 2023, 10:23:04 PM
But because I put up 22 question marks and 16 exclamation.You want to argue.

Actually, the only reason I interjected was your calling out the SID by name. That is a thankless, underpaid, overworked job.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on August 16, 2023, 06:00:28 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 16, 2023, 04:07:09 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on August 14, 2023, 10:23:04 PM
If you can release the Volleyball and Soccer why not basketball.

You might be aware that those are fall sports, and basketball is a winter sport. Apples and oranges.

Quote from: Augie2020 on August 14, 2023, 10:23:04 PM
But because I put up 22 question marks and 16 exclamation.You want to argue.

Actually, the only reason I interjected was your calling out the SID by name. That is a thankless, underpaid, overworked job.

To be fair, he called out the former SID.  Actually three SIDs ago. 
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 16, 2023, 06:06:32 PM
Fair!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on August 16, 2023, 10:32:39 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 16, 2023, 06:06:32 PM
Fair!
But, you are right, it is a thankless job.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on August 16, 2023, 11:23:34 PM
No im not because Southard did his job !!!Southard is no longer affiliated with the U.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on August 16, 2023, 11:24:30 PM
On a side note congrats Meredith Mesaris becoming head coach at Vasser good luck..
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on August 16, 2023, 11:31:15 PM
Also Coleman -Southard did this on his own.The new guy or gal has an assistant.But Like I said the schedule was given to the Athletic department maybe 2 or 3 months ago.Like Saratoga said release it.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on August 16, 2023, 11:34:28 PM
Stop assuming stuff Coleman it gets you in trouble.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on August 17, 2023, 12:31:39 AM
Lefty 2 where did I call out Southards?What words did I say to call out southrds.I said where is Kevin Southards..Stop putting words thst are not there
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 17, 2023, 02:40:09 PM
Bitch and moan and you shall receive:
https://athletics.scranton.edu/news/2023/8/17/womens-basketball-lady-royals-unveil-2023-24-schedule-featuring-four-ncaa-tournament-teams.aspx
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on August 17, 2023, 05:38:44 PM

Thank's Pat.

First time I can remember the Lady Royals not playing in at least 1 tournament.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 17, 2023, 06:07:57 PM
That's definitely unusual, but when you add four conference games, that is going to change the schedule a bit.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on August 17, 2023, 06:35:26 PM
Quote from: saratoga on August 17, 2023, 05:38:44 PM

Thank's Pat.

First time I can remember the Lady Royals not playing in at least 1 tournament.


Probably couldn't negotiate streaming fees with FloSports
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on August 17, 2023, 07:42:05 PM

Agree.
Hearing the YES network & MASN are now fighting over Landmark rights.
Michael Kay & Kevin Brown will be doing play by play & color...provided Kevin says nice things about John Angelos.  ;)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on August 17, 2023, 09:12:09 PM
 They couldn't attract sufficient quality teams for a 2-game commitment, hence no Poinsettia Classic this year. Another possibility was playing in NYU's holiday tourney, but the NYU women let their men's team host this year and were looking into to traveling out west this year, possibly a reward for team members.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on August 18, 2023, 12:27:34 AM
Coleman my 22 question marks and 3 exclamation points riled you up.Then when that was not the answer you went to I was calling out the SID .(Kevin Southard worked four years ago )Then when I called you and lefty 2 out I know who he is also for saying I called out the SID which read it never stated his name or said anything.You jump to piss and moaning.Got to love it you skipped down 3 avenues to get to one.Pat if your going to start talking about pissing and moaning you can damn start here.I mean we cut down Danzing like NO TOMORROW .But truly one of your 3 statements came thru.I understand King Jaffe Joffer this is your board and you control it like Hitler to some people but others you say nothing to.Hopefully you guys have to pay to get the scores from flo sports (By the way you remember those people pissing and moaning about that Pat of course not only when I say somethingl.See Coleman I don't need this program I  go to every game i pay for every game I pay for my gas I pay for my hotel to see The University of Scranton Men and Women.So my final words to you dont pick on just some people if your going to say about pissing and moaning you better look at this board  more often.Hopefully your business picks up but with a guy like you at the helm I doubt it King Jaffe Joffer.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on August 18, 2023, 01:38:38 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 16, 2023, 04:07:09 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on August 14, 2023, 10:23:04 PM
If you can release the Volleyball and Soccer why not basketball.

You might be aware that those are fall sports, and basketball is a winter sport. Apples and oranges.

Quote from: Augie2020 on August 14, 2023, 10:23:04 PM
But because I put up 22 question marks and 16 exclamation.You want to argue.

Actually, the only reason I interjected was your calling out the SID by name. That is a thankless, underpaid, overworked job.
Never called out the  SID i was asking about Kevin Southard 4 years ago Strike two Coleman.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on August 18, 2023, 01:40:33 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on August 16, 2023, 06:00:28 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 16, 2023, 04:07:09 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on August 14, 2023, 10:23:04 PM
If you can release the Volleyball and Soccer why not basketball.

You might be aware that those are fall sports, and basketball is a winter sport. Apples and oranges.

Quote from: Augie2020 on August 14, 2023, 10:23:04 PM
But because I put up 22 question marks and 16 exclamation.You want to argue.

Actually, the only reason I interjected was your calling out the SID by name. That is a thankless, underpaid, overworked job.

To be fair, he called out the former SID.  Actually three SIDs ago.
I'm not sure about what you mean about calling out.But lefty 2 dont put words in my mouth (My statement said where is Kevin Southard)?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 18, 2023, 10:32:27 AM
Quote from: Augie2020 on August 18, 2023, 12:27:34 AM
Coleman my 22 question marks and 3 exclamation points riled you up.Then when that was not the answer you went to I was calling out the SID .(Kevin Southard worked four years ago )Then when I called you and lefty 2 out I know who he is also for saying I called out the SID which read it never stated his name or said anything.You jump to piss and moaning.Got to love it you skipped down 3 avenues to get to one.Pat if your going to start talking about pissing and moaning you can damn start here.I mean we cut down Danzing like NO TOMORROW .But truly one of your 3 statements came thru.I understand King Jaffe Joffer this is your board and you control it like ****** to some people but others you say nothing to.Hopefully you guys have to pay to get the scores from flo sports (By the way you remember those people pissing and moaning about that Pat of course not only when I say somethingl.See Coleman I don't need this program I  go to every game i pay for every game I pay for my gas I pay for my hotel to see The University of Scranton Men and Women.So my final words to you dont pick on just some people if your going to say about pissing and moaning you better look at this board  more often.Hopefully your business picks up but with a guy like you at the helm I doubt it King Jaffe Joffer.

Man ... this is really hard to read, but if I controlled this board in the way you suggest, just know that you wouldn't be on it any longer.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on August 19, 2023, 10:33:24 AM

Nothing says we're getting close to basketball tipoff like a good old-fashioned reference to "Coming To America".
WTF  ;D
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on August 21, 2023, 01:24:57 PM
https://my.flosports.tv/partner/landmark?utm_medium=partner&utm_source=multiple&utm_content=landingpage&utm_term=landmark.scranton&utm_campaign=landmark&contract_id=0063m00000u4k10aaa&sp=conf-partner
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on August 22, 2023, 07:53:01 PM

Speaking of Flo Sports...

An article dated Feb. 9, 2023 states the following:

"Flo Sports hit with class action lawsuit alleging fraudulent billing procedures".
Lawsuit lists over 900 claims of improper billing with no relief.
The suit will be heard in the Western District of New York.

One comment states, "Flo Sports is a scam. They swoop in & take over production from leagues/organizations, then charge gatekeeping fees to watch previously free content".

Seems like a great move by the Landmark Commish.
What's not to like?  ::)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on August 22, 2023, 08:49:36 PM
Quote from: saratoga on August 22, 2023, 07:53:01 PM

Speaking of Flo Sports...

An article dated Feb. 9, 2023 states the following:

"Flo Sports hit with class action lawsuit alleging fraudulent billing procedures".
Lawsuit lists over 900 claims of improper billing with no relief.
The suit will be heard in the Western District of New York.

One comment states, "Flo Sports is a scam. They swoop in & take over production from leagues/organizations, then charge gatekeeping fees to watch previously free content".

Seems like a great move by the Landmark Commish.
What's not to like?  ::)


Just imagine how ornery we'll be when we have to PAY to watch the Royals lose!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on August 25, 2023, 12:20:34 PM

Per Scottiedoug on the UAA site, it appears NYU is loading up for a deep, deep run in the tournament for this upcoming season.

They've added Morgan Morrison of Smith...one of the absolute premier inside players in D-3 as well as sharpshooting Megan Bauman of Babson as 5th. year Grad. transfers.

Both were instrumental in their respective teams advancing as far they did last year.

Add them to an already super talented returning core of players & NYU has to be considered pre-season # 1.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on August 25, 2023, 12:55:41 PM
Quote from: saratoga on August 25, 2023, 12:20:34 PM

Per Scottiedoug on the UAA site, it appears NYU is loading up for a deep, deep run in the tournament for this upcoming season.

They've added Morgan Morrison of Smith...one of the absolute premier inside players in D-3 as well as sharpshooting Megan Bauman of Babson as 5th. year Grad. transfers.

Both were instrumental in their respective teams advancing as far they did last year.

Add them to an already super talented returning core of players & NYU has to be considered pre-season # 1.

NYU is also adding another grad xfer from Northwestern - Laya Hartman 5-11 G.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: scottiedawg on August 25, 2023, 01:44:51 PM
Quote from: saratoga on August 25, 2023, 12:20:34 PM
Per Scottiedoug on the UAA site

FYI, my username is "scottiedawg" and there is a different user "scottiedoug" out there.  :)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on August 25, 2023, 02:03:32 PM

scottiedawg:

Sorry...my apologies.  ;)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 13, 2023, 06:24:51 PM
 Lady Royals' assistant coach Jess Rini has been named interim HC of Miseri, from where she came as an assistant. There was a "great day to be a Lady Royal" tweet recently that I'm guessing referred to this move.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on September 13, 2023, 08:44:43 PM
Quote from: ronk on September 13, 2023, 06:24:51 PM
Lady Royals' assistant coach Jess Rini has been named interim HC of Miseri, from where she came as an assistant. There was a "great day to be a Lady Royal" tweet recently that I'm guessing referred to this move.

When she was conspicuously absent from the team bonding photos they tweeted, I had a hunch that's what happened.   I also didn't see any of the potential returning super-seniors in those pics...

Perhaps its my tired eyes, but I didn't recognize the one behind Bender (between Brewer and Toomey).  Any idea who she is?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 13, 2023, 09:20:53 PM
Quote from: Tim the Enchanter on September 13, 2023, 08:44:43 PM
Quote from: ronk on September 13, 2023, 06:24:51 PM
Lady Royals' assistant coach Jess Rini has been named interim HC of Miseri, from where she came as an assistant. There was a "great day to be a Lady Royal" tweet recently that I'm guessing referred to this move.

When she was conspicuously absent from the team bonding photos they tweeted, I had a hunch that's what happened.   I also didn't see any of the potential returning super-seniors in those pics...

Perhaps its my tired eyes, but I didn't recognize the one behind Bender (between Brewer and Toomey). Any idea who she is?

My guess is Natalie Stoupakis.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on September 13, 2023, 09:39:05 PM
Quote from: ronk on September 13, 2023, 09:20:53 PM


My guess is Natalie Stoupakis.

I think Stoupakis is in the front row between Bender and Ben's daughter.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on September 25, 2023, 08:16:29 AM
 Part-time coaching position has been opened with the Royals WBB, presumably Jess Rini's position. I'll volunteer for the away games @ Catholic, Goucher, and E-town.  ;)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on October 18, 2023, 02:54:41 PM

Looks like the Royal's SID has put up the Lady Royal's roster for 23/24'.
Unfortunately, it also looks like he forgot to add about 4 or 5 kids.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on October 18, 2023, 03:27:52 PM

Added a few more...still missing at least 3.
No idea why you'd do this piecemeal.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 18, 2023, 03:41:24 PM
Quote from: saratoga on October 18, 2023, 03:27:52 PM

Added a few more...still missing at least 3.
No idea why you'd do this piecemeal.

Stoupakis, Talutto, and whom?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on October 18, 2023, 04:15:44 PM

Romanowski, Toomey, Bennett, & Lamanna have all been added.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on October 18, 2023, 07:35:45 PM
It looks like Talutto (and the PT assistant) are the only presumptive members of the team not currently on the roster...
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 01, 2023, 07:10:07 PM
 Preseason All-American selections are announced: Kaci Kranson(Scranton) & Summer McNulty(Etown) are on the 4th team.
No mention of Vicky Toomey; the selection committee has underestimated her much like they did for Abby Anderson in 2021-22.
Maggie Russell(Tufts) listed as a JR when she should be a SR.
Belle Pellecchia(NYU) omitted also; she's the one that makes that team go.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 03, 2023, 05:21:38 PM
Thanks for the correction on Russell's year. That's my mistake.

Regarding Toomey, I don't think we've ever chosen a transfer as Preseason All-American. Even Sydney Moss had to wait six months when she transferred from Florida before we lavished her with all our awards.

By the way, if I'm just going on what I read, there's another D1 transfer I like even more than Toomey and she's not on the team either. I'll wait to to tell you who she is until she does something worth celebrating. :)

Pellecchia was definitely considered, but there are only so many spots to go around. It's unlikely we'd give four of 25 spots to the same team and NYU now has three returning All-Americans with Bauman and Morrison transferring in from Babson and Smith.

Fortunately Belle can prove us wrong over the next few months, though I still won't guarantee that we'll have 80 percent of their starters as All-Americans. :)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 03, 2023, 05:44:24 PM

There are two seasons of awards (pre & post).
Give me the Post season winners any day...that's when you know great things have been accomplished on the court & not just the result of assumptive conversations.

Agree...pretty hard to place Victoria in any pre-season category since she hasn't even played a game.
Patience grasshopper...patience.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 03, 2023, 08:44:38 PM
Quote from: saratoga on November 03, 2023, 05:44:24 PM

There are two seasons of awards (pre & post).
Give me the Post season winners any day...that's when you know great things have been accomplished on the court & not just the result of assumptive conversations.

Agree...pretty hard to place Victoria in any pre-season category since she hasn't even played a game.
Patience grasshopper...patience.

I consider it a reasonable projection based on her play @ Rider.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 04, 2023, 12:38:04 PM

If Victoria puts together the kind of year she's capable of, then just like Abby, people will certainly know who she is when the hardware is given out at the end of the year.

On another topic...
Looks like the Royals just missed out on a great young guard with a great pedigree when Annie Ryan decided to attend Tufts over Scranton (thousand point scorer & school record for made 3's).
Her sister Molly & her cousin both played for the Jumbo's during that 4 year stretch when the Lady Royals & Tufts seemed to be facing off each year in the Sweet 16 or Elite 8 games.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 04, 2023, 12:42:30 PM
 Both Molly and Annie were on my prospect list and wasn't surprised that she chose Tufts.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 14, 2023, 11:40:16 AM

One team I think the pollsters are sleeping on is Amherst.
Although the Mammoths missed the NCAA tournament last year for the first time in ages, they will be battle tested and ready this season.
Three years ago, the 6'6" Alix Stuart couldn't stand still & catch a basketball.
At the end of last year, she not only was running the floor, but catching passes and going to the hoop with some authority.
Her improvement in those years has been astronomical & you can't teach 6'6".
GP has a veteran backcourt & experienced size everywhere else joining her with Tranum, Cwalina, Barach, Liddle.
My pick over Tufts for the NESCAC.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: scottiedawg on November 14, 2023, 01:58:53 PM
Quote from: saratoga on November 14, 2023, 11:40:16 AM

One team I think the pollsters are sleeping on is Amherst.


As a voter who constituted 63% of Amherst's preseason poll votes, I agree with you!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on November 15, 2023, 07:37:07 AM
For those who are following, Bridget Monaghan scored her first points at the DI level last night in St. Joes' victory over Penn.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 15, 2023, 11:15:21 AM

Great to see & happy for Bridget.
Ok, now that that's over...let's transfer back to Scranton for the second semester & the final push toward the NCAA tournament.  ;)
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 29, 2023, 10:16:00 PM
After trailing by 7 late in regulation, Catholic wins in OT @ Etown who was missing their post player
Next Royal opponent Juniata has half as many 6 footers as their volleyball team which won tonight in the NCAA quarterfinals. Wonder about the discrepancy in success between their volleyball and basketball teams
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 03, 2023, 12:44:48 AM
 Congrats to Juniata's volleyballers who went undefeated this season, winning the national championship with a repeat of last year and their 4th national championship. Seemed like 1/3 of Hope's points were unforced server errors by Juniata, so their domination within play was even greater than the scores would indicate.
  Scranton's volleyballers won as many sets(1) in the conference championship against Juniata as all of Juniata's 6 NCAA tournament foes combined.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Roundball999 on December 03, 2023, 10:13:06 AM
Quote from: ronk on December 03, 2023, 12:44:48 AM
Congrats to Juniata's volleyballers who went undefeated this season, winning the national championship with a repeat of last year and their 4th national championship. Seemed like 1/3 of Hope's points were unforced server errors by Juniata, so their domination within play was even greater than the scores would indicate.
  Scranton's volleyballers won as many sets(1) in the conference championship against Juniata as all of Juniata's 6 NCAA tournament foes combined.

Yes, another incredible season for Juniata, congratulations!  I'll give just a little respect to Hope too, having won an NCAA tournament record four straight 5-set matches just to get to the title game.  With only one senior on the team, maybe Hope can give Juniata a more competitive match should they meet again next year.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 03, 2023, 08:25:26 PM
Quote from: Roundball999 on December 03, 2023, 10:13:06 AM
Quote from: ronk on December 03, 2023, 12:44:48 AM
Congrats to Juniata's volleyballers who went undefeated this season, winning the national championship with a repeat of last year and their 4th national championship. Seemed like 1/3 of Hope's points were unforced server errors by Juniata, so their domination within play was even greater than the scores would indicate.
  Scranton's volleyballers won as many sets(1) in the conference championship against Juniata as all of Juniata's 6 NCAA tournament foes combined.

Yes, another incredible season for Juniata, congratulations!  I'll give just a little respect to Hope too, having won an NCAA tournament record four straight 5-set matches just to get to the title game.  With only one senior on the team, maybe Hope can give Juniata a more competitive match should they meet again next year.

roundball,
   A big factor in Hope winning those 5-set matches was the positive demeanor of the team. One couldn't tell by looking at them that they were trailing throughout the championship match, even deep in the final set.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on December 08, 2023, 09:36:39 AM
Nice article focusing on Marisa Francione but also giving a nod to Scranton, Ben O'Brien and Lizzie Halligan:

https://www.cityofbasketballlove.com/news_article/show/1293665
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 08, 2023, 02:43:42 PM
 Tim,
   Thanks for the article; I usually read their columns to keep up on the Philly suburbs but hadn't seen this one. She may fill the point guard position for much of her Scranton career.
  Forgot to mention that Marisa and her Conestoga team played @ Dunmore this past Saturday winning 55-30. Would have been an opportunity for Lady Royals fans to see her in person locally.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 08, 2023, 05:12:22 PM

Thanks, Tim.

As usual, great news coming out of the Lady Royal side of the house.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 09, 2023, 07:39:50 PM
 Congrats to the coaching staff for getting all 16 players who dressed into today's game for a minimum of 10 minutes each with no one having more than 18 minutes. I don't remember such a happening in years of watching basketball.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on December 09, 2023, 07:49:42 PM
Quote from: ronk on December 09, 2023, 07:39:50 PM
Congrats to the coaching staff for getting all 16 players who dressed into today's game for a minimum of 10 minutes each with no one having more than 18 minutes. I don't remember such a happening in years of watching basketball.

And all 16 scored.  How rare is that?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 20, 2023, 08:00:53 AM

Nice win by the Lady Royals last evening.
Tended to get sloppy at times but nice to see them beat a good team as opposed to getting over-confident with the huge wins they've had vs. some pretty terrible teams.
The defense of both squads was tight all night but Scranton seemed to rely far too much on dribble penetration and with everyone in or around the lane, things got way too crowded in there & that led to excessive turnovers/steals.
All in all, a very nice road win & a pretty exciting finish.
Good prep game for upcoming battles vs. E-town & Catholic.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 20, 2023, 01:25:23 PM
    It was a good test for Kaci operating against a helping defense; she won't be working against a sole defender in the future. Also for Lamanna and Sloan to adjust to the physicality of defense by college's upper crust teams. Think they both have creative offensive ability and Sloan could see increased playing time. They're setting Lamanna up for late clock looks with a double screen but she needs to take advantage instead of deferring to others. Similar to Bridget Monaghan's freshman year - by February the team needed her to be a top 2 option instead of deferring to upperclassmen.
  Toomey said to be wearing a boot; no word however about Angelini's status. Too bad, since Friday's game @ Mount St Mary would be a neighborhood game for Hannah.
   Mike Strong said to be in attendance at last night's game.
  Elsewhere in the Landmark, Matt Donahue collected his 400th victory in a neighborhood brawl with Marymount in the Jamie Roberts Memorial Tournament. For those unaware, Jamie was an assistant coach with Catholic when she lost her life on a bicycle crosscountry fundraising incident some years ago. I became acquainted with Jamie when she worked out at my fitness center as a  St Mary's(MD) hoopster. Later that same year, I met her again when her team and Scranton played in the Gettysburg Holiday tourney and then a # of times when she was evaluating AAU prospects as a Catholic assistant.
    Etown lost 2 close games on their holiday trip and will drop out of the top 25.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 20, 2024, 11:57:52 AM
 The board returns just in time for conference playoffs.   :) Will we be seeing remarks from Thomas Aquinas anymore on twitter?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2024, 12:18:19 PM
... and in the comments on D3hoops.com stories?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 20, 2024, 12:44:44 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2024, 12:18:19 PM... and in the comments on D3hoops.com stories?

Yes, that might be the source instead of twitter.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 20, 2024, 01:26:09 PM
can you guys let me know what the heck you are talking about?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 20, 2024, 05:07:48 PM
there was a comment on a D3hoops column(Ryan Scott's on paywalls?) re Scranton basketball a few days ago from a Thomas Aquinas.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 20, 2024, 08:48:22 PM
This is like Christmas morning all over.  :D
Thought we were done for the year.
This poor site has had more crashes than Ricky Bobby at Talladega.
Welcome home everyone.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2024, 09:13:42 PM
I enjoyed catching up on the posts from October and November -- especially the ones about the preseason All-America team. Gordon was very polite in saying why we don't put someone on a preseason All-America team who has never played a D-III game.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 21, 2024, 03:05:40 PM

Exactly.
That's why we don't count our chickens until they.....???

Looking good on paper & 8.00 will get you a latte at Starbucks.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 22, 2024, 08:37:36 PM
Great team win tonight (Lady Royals) without Kaci Kranson tonight.Susquehanna women giving Catholic some fits 28-28 2 minutes to go until the half.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 22, 2024, 09:07:34 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 22, 2024, 08:37:36 PMGreat team win tonight (Lady Royals) without Kaci Kranson tonight.Susquehanna women giving Catholic some fits 28-28 2 minutes to go until the half.

Any word on how long she's out? Saturday, next Friday? rest of season?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 22, 2024, 09:59:55 PM
Womens basketball is exciting this time of year!Watched Arcadia get there 1st win in conference play with (Beem Soph.)Hitting a 4 pt play and lucky she did because LVC hit a 3 at the buzzer(yesterday).Then tonight caught Wartburg just getting by Duquesne and switched to Coe and Loras women.Personally that lady ref swallows that whistle but that is only my thought and play it out in OT.But great games tonight.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 22, 2024, 10:50:00 PM
Also shout out to the Coaching staff to get this team ready to play without one of the best players in the Mid Atlantic.Also Freshman(Gorski) stepped in nicely for Kranson tonight.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 22, 2024, 10:54:57 PM
Per Dean:
Tonight was precautionary, she'll be ready for Saturday.
Lamanna has had her playing time reduced pretty significantly the past several games, not sure what's going on there.
Catholic should be rocking Saturday with both the men & women hosting.
Good to see you back for the playoff run Augie, your self imposed exile had me worried.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 22, 2024, 11:21:06 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 22, 2024, 10:54:57 PMPer Dean:
Tonight was precautionary, she'll be ready for Saturday.

Lamanna has had her playing time reduced pretty significantly the past several games, not sure what's going on there.
Catholic should be rocking Saturday with both the men & women hosting.
Good to see you back for the playoff run Augie, your self imposed exile had me worried.


Let's hope so. They'll need Kaci in what should be a defensive struggle in view of hosting possibilities on the line, the title history between the 2 teams, the full house and bedlam.
 Anna Scoblick had 24 pts & 10 rebs tonight; she would have made a nice Scranton soph class w Kranson, Romanowski, and Sloan.
  Looks like I'll have to get there early enough to watch the men's game first to get a spot in the parking lot. Luckily, there aren't any lacrosse games on campus that day.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 23, 2024, 12:12:48 AM
I thought that tonight against Etown Ronk.But this team pulled it together and won by 9 with out Kaci.Mc Nulty 7 pts so Ben and staff has this team playing great defense.If you checkout NCAA d3 womens basketball stats Scranton is up in alot of catergories.If you would have told me Scranton would win by 9 and hold MCNulty to 7 and not have Kranson I would say no way.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 23, 2024, 12:15:26 AM
Also Ronk will see you at the Dufour gymnasium Saturday. We are headed down tomorrow and making a weekend out of it.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 23, 2024, 04:35:50 PM

Biggest takeaway from last evenings Lady Royal's win vs. E-town...they held the BlueJays to 45 points less than they scored just 2 nights earlier vs. Moravian.

Here's to hoping they bring that same pressure & intensity for as long as it takes tomorrow.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 24, 2024, 07:53:47 PM
Saratoga they did!Great game Ladies.Playing great team ball.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 25, 2024, 04:54:11 PM
Class act JHU for having your kids sit until after the presentation.Maybe some coaches should take note.Also did we get away from cutting the net down?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 25, 2024, 06:44:43 PM
using Scott Peterson's data, my bracket for the top 16: 1-nyu,16-wartburg,9-bates,8-catholic in 1 quad,4-transy,13-new paltz,12-desales,5-whitewater in quad 2;on the other side:3-bowdoin,14-smith,11-w&l ,6-cnu in quad 3, & 2-rhode i,15-carroll,10-oshkosh,7-scranton
  For Scranton, if chalk holds, they would face oshkosh in the 3rd round,  rhode island in the 4th round, bowdoin in the semi and nyu in the final; actual bracket to be announced tomorrow @ 2:30 pm.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 25, 2024, 07:11:54 PM

Augie,
I watched the game yesterday & it appeared the CUA players all immediately left the floor once the handshakes were over.

Then again, hard to be 100% sure because our wonderful FloSports broadcast ended abruptly 2 minutes after the game concluded.

Ronk:
Please don't get too far over your skis...you're bound to have a rough landing.
One game at a time.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 25, 2024, 07:38:16 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 25, 2024, 07:11:54 PMAugie,
I watched the game yesterday & it appeared the CUA players all immediately left the floor once the handshakes were over.

Then again, hard to be 100% sure because our wonderful FloSports broadcast ended abruptly 2 minutes after the game concluded.

Ronk:
Please don't get too far over your skis...you're bound to have a rough landing.
One game at a time.

Ok, 1st round - ~ 58th seed, someone like St. Joe(ME)(repeat from last year), then the winner of #26(Springfield) and #39(New Jersey City) from 2 years ago.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 25, 2024, 08:18:49 PM

First weekend at Scranton:

Penn St. Harrisburg vs. Vassar 5:00
Scranton vs. Brooklyn 7:00
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 25, 2024, 11:18:07 PM
Saratoga they actually did leave !They did not stay around for the presentation.Watched Desales  men and Stevens.Desales sat around also.Also no net cutting either.I thought they would bring out the ladder nope.That is just not in my books great sportsmanship.But who am I just a fan that has seen it many times after winning the Championship to go to the ncaa.If Catholic needs the 20 bucks for a new net I will gladly write them a check.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 25, 2024, 11:19:13 PM
Sorry Saratoga I was watching Dave and them pick the men and women pool C picks.Great job by all.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 26, 2024, 10:48:42 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 25, 2024, 06:44:43 PMusing Scott Peterson's data, my bracket for the top 16: 1-nyu,16-wartburg,9-bates,8-catholic in 1 quad,4-transy,13-new paltz,12-desales,5-whitewater in quad 2;on the other side:3-bowdoin,14-smith,11-w&l ,6-cnu in quad 3, & 2-rhode i,15-carroll,10-oshkosh,7-scranton
  For Scranton, if chalk holds, they would face oshkosh in the 3rd round,  rhode island in the 4th round, bowdoin in the semi and nyu in the final; actual bracket to be announced tomorrow @ 2:30 pm.
Ronk-Scranton should be a number 2 seed in the national tournament!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 26, 2024, 12:24:57 PM
 Scott's designation for Scranton is #7 of all the 16 1-seeds and, if chalk holds, they would play the 10th-rated 1-seed(Oshkosh) in the 3rd round.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 26, 2024, 02:09:34 PM

Thanks Augie.
That's what it looked like before FloSports pulled the plug.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 26, 2024, 02:09:59 PM

Thanks Augie.
That's what it looked like before FloSports pulled the plug.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 26, 2024, 03:58:37 PM
That left side of the bracket is murder row!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 26, 2024, 04:21:06 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 26, 2024, 03:58:37 PMThat left side of the bracket is murder row!

I think it's pretty balanced.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 26, 2024, 04:35:58 PM

How the heck did Scranton draw Framingham St. & Catholic ends up with Penn. St. Behrand?
That seems slightly backwards.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 26, 2024, 04:40:45 PM

My best guess is that DeSales and Wash & Lee were in the Top 16, but couldn't host due to geography (HSU and DePauw pods), so the committee decided to let them host as alternatives for the hosts that were bumped by their men's teams (NYU and Catholic).

As a result, they seem to have bracketed essentially two "4" seeds in each of those pods - so they have a much tougher second round matchup, but a slightly easier first round matchup.

I'm sure Dave will ask the committee chair about it tonight.  I'm not sure it can be explained any other way,though.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 26, 2024, 05:00:18 PM

Thanks, Ryan.
Something isn't right.

Could have also sent them up the road to at large host Bates & sent Brooklyn to the Electric City.
Both make more sense that what they (committee) landed on.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 26, 2024, 08:37:46 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 26, 2024, 05:00:18 PMThanks, Ryan.
Something isn't right.

Could have also sent them up the road to at large host Bates & sent Brooklyn to the Electric City.
Both make more sense that what they (committee) landed on.

There were a ton of geographic constraints this year, especially on the "2" line in pods.  There were a disproportionate number of 2s in the midwest, some of which had to get pushed east, plus you had a couple of 1s losing hosting position for geography - and the limits of having two hosts in Maine and one in RI.  Our mock bracketing was VERY difficult to manage nationally - Gettysburg and JHU are underseeded as well.  There was going to be a sacrifice somewhere - I think this committee did a phenomenal job given the constraints.  Putting this perfectly right in the East would've been massive inequity farther west.  This was a truly commendable job of balancing a bracket, far better than any WBB bracket in my recent memory.  It might not be better overall, but given the realities of the Division a real work of art.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 26, 2024, 09:01:14 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 26, 2024, 08:37:46 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 26, 2024, 05:00:18 PMThanks, Ryan.
Something isn't right.

Could have also sent them up the road to at large host Bates & sent Brooklyn to the Electric City.
Both make more sense that what they (committee) landed on.

There were a ton of geographic constraints this year, especially on the "2" line in pods.  There were a disproportionate number of 2s in the midwest, some of which had to get pushed east, plus you had a couple of 1s losing hosting position for geography - and the limits of having two hosts in Maine and one in RI.  Our mock bracketing was VERY difficult to manage nationally - Gettysburg and JHU are underseeded as well.  There was going to be a sacrifice somewhere - I think this committee did a phenomenal job given the constraints.  Putting this perfectly right in the East would've been massive inequity farther west.  This was a truly commendable job of balancing a bracket, far better than any WBB bracket in my recent memory.  It might not be better overall, but given the realities of the Division a real work of art.
I will take Pat Colemans bracket.Especially when Dave asked why Desales(Talking about NYU)-You could have easily did what Pat did send them up the road to Vasser!It is not perfect but Pats Bracket made alot more sense.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 26, 2024, 09:17:45 PM
   The chair said tonight that past history is to reward the 2-seeds if a 1-seed can't host. This penalizes the 1-seed(NYU, Catholic, this year) by having to play on a 2-seed's(DeSales, W&L) home court in the 2nd round rather than on a neutral court(3 or 4-seed). I was afraid this was the case but at least it's out in the open now. That was my question to Dave McHugh to ask her tonight and thankfully, he did ask her.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 26, 2024, 11:14:01 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 26, 2024, 09:17:45 PMThe chair said tonight that past history is to reward the 2-seeds if a 1-seed can't host. This penalizes the 1-seed(NYU, Catholic, this year) by having to play on a 2-seed's(DeSales, W&L) home court in the 2nd round rather than on a neutral court(3 or 4-seed). I was afraid this was the case but at least it's out in the open now. That was my question to Dave McHugh to ask her tonight and thankfully, he did ask her.

I agree, it's not ideal, but it's what they do.  As for alternative locations, we just don't know what sites are available.  The committee is dependent on which schools actually bid to host.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 26, 2024, 11:18:06 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 26, 2024, 11:14:01 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 26, 2024, 09:17:45 PMThe chair said tonight that past history is to reward the 2-seeds if a 1-seed can't host. This penalizes the 1-seed(NYU, Catholic, this year) by having to play on a 2-seed's(DeSales, W&L) home court in the 2nd round rather than on a neutral court(3 or 4-seed). I was afraid this was the case but at least it's out in the open now. That was my question to Dave McHugh to ask her tonight and thankfully, he did ask her.

I agree, it's not ideal, but it's what they do.  As for alternative locations, we just don't know what sites are available.  The committee is dependent on which schools actually bid to host.
Well you should ask Coach Meredith Mesaris Former Basketball standout at the UofS
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 27, 2024, 11:44:08 PM
Surprised Kranson did not get player of the year and Coach of the year was not Ben O'brien.Okay then!Wow
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 28, 2024, 12:19:19 AM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 27, 2024, 11:44:08 PMSurprised Kranson did not get player of the year and Coach of the year was not Ben O'brien.Okay then!Wow

 There will be 2 more years to battle for POY between them; at least the winner was from northeastern PA.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 28, 2024, 11:15:17 AM

Congrats to Anna Scoblick on winning POY.
Another local player that former coach DiPillo never even spoke to even though she was coached by Deanna Klingman.
She has always worked her tail off to get better & it's paying off.
The best thing to happen to Lady Royal basketball was DiPillo leaving for another D1 assistant coaching gig.

Well done to Kaeli voted as DPOY, Meghan as ROY, Kaci as a First Team selection & Maddy Ryan as a second team pick.

Not sure what Ben & his coaching staff didn't quite accomplish as they defeated CUA twice & won the Landmark on Catholic's court.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 28, 2024, 12:18:57 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 28, 2024, 11:15:17 AMCongrats to Anna Scoblick on winning POY.
Another local player that former coach DiPillo never even spoke to even though she was coached by Deanna Klingman.
She has always worked her tail off to get better & it's paying off.
The best thing to happen to Lady Royal basketball was DiPillo leaving for another D1 assistant coaching gig.

Well done to Kaeli voted as DPOY, Meghan as ROY, Kaci as a First Team selection & Maddy Ryan as a second team pick.

Not sure what Ben & his coaching staff didn't quite accomplish as they defeated CUA twice & won the Landmark on Catholic's court.


 I guess it was more what Catholic accomplished(regular season title) with a decidedly thinner bench than what Ben's staff did accomplish.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 28, 2024, 12:30:06 PM

Ok, I guess I can buy into the fact that CUA had one less loss during the regular season & they were the 1 seed.
However, the fact that they didn't have a deep bench is extraneous...who does that fall back on??
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 29, 2024, 05:49:34 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 28, 2024, 12:30:06 PMOk, I guess I can buy into the fact that CUA had one less loss during the regular season & they were the 1 seed.
However, the fact that they didn't have a deep bench is extraneous...who does that fall back on??
I agree they did go 11 deep against Scranton,We went 10.I think ronk that is pretty deep your giving your starters a breather.That is with Kaci Kranson playing hurt so say 9 players.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 29, 2024, 06:13:10 PM
So does flosports have the rights to these games or is it in the hands of the NCAA?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 29, 2024, 06:24:44 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 29, 2024, 05:49:34 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 28, 2024, 12:30:06 PMOk, I guess I can buy into the fact that CUA had one less loss during the regular season & they were the 1 seed.
However, the fact that they didn't have a deep bench is extraneous...who does that fall back on??
I agree they did go 11 deep against Scranton,We went 10.I think ronk that is pretty deep your giving your starters a breather.That is with Kaci Kranson playing hurt so say 9 players.

 I wasn't referring to the number of their players; there was little contribution from any of their reserves.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on February 29, 2024, 06:37:56 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 29, 2024, 06:24:44 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 29, 2024, 05:49:34 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 28, 2024, 12:30:06 PMOk, I guess I can buy into the fact that CUA had one less loss during the regular season & they were the 1 seed.
However, the fact that they didn't have a deep bench is extraneous...who does that fall back on??
I agree they did go 11 deep against Scranton,We went 10.I think ronk that is pretty deep your giving your starters a breather.That is with Kaci Kranson playing hurt so say 9 players.

 I wasn't referring to the number of their players; there was little contribution from any of their reserves.
Like Saratoga said then who is at fault for that?We can throw excuses and excuses.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 29, 2024, 08:42:15 PM

According to the UofS website, all games will be streamed free of charge.
The NCAA has the rights throughout the tournament otherwise FloSports would most certainly be charging.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 29, 2024, 08:42:51 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 29, 2024, 06:13:10 PMSo does flosports have the rights to these games or is it in the hands of the NCAA?


No it will be on free streaming this weekend.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 29, 2024, 11:58:59 PM
 Hoopsville tonite had an interview w Framingham coach and leading players
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 02, 2024, 11:49:49 AM
Any previews for tonight's game?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 02, 2024, 01:01:36 PM
(About the refs) Last night in a game Framingham st vs Scranton Kaeli Romanowski stole the ball and was actually closed lined by a Framingham state player.Should have been called intentional and definetly thrown out of the game.Thank God Kaeli was not seriously hurt she hit the floor hard after getting her head taken off.They need to do a better job in calls that can seriously take out a player.Should we have replay in d3 for this most definite NCAA.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 03, 2024, 01:24:37 AM
Great weekend for the Lady Royals it was SWEET(16)Kaeli Romanowski the Sophomore turned the All American 5th year senior  down tonight on defense held her to 8 1st half pts and 1 2nd half point before she threw up a desperation 3 that went in as time was dwindling down.So that gave her 4 2nd half pts all together 12pts for the game.Great job Kaeli you deserve the game ball.Also on Friday night Dave McHugh you had me a little bit nervous with your comment on the selection show and how hard this will be for Scranton in the 1st round.60-39 over Framingham eased it.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Augie2020 on March 03, 2024, 01:29:33 AM
Congratulations to Catholic on a great run in the NCAA Tournament.From a Lady Royal fan
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 03, 2024, 10:55:23 AM
What's the hosting scenarios?
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: scottiedawg on March 03, 2024, 11:20:23 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 03, 2024, 10:55:23 AMWhat's the hosting scenarios?

Scranton should be at NYU.  Both Scranton and Johns Hopkins can bus to NYU. (those three can all bus to each other, but NYU is the higher seed).
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 03, 2024, 03:27:44 PM

Per UofS website, the ladies are headed to the Big Apple & NYU.
As it should be.

Fantastic weekend & congrats on yet another Sweet 16 trip & your 9th. Landmark Championship in a row.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 07, 2024, 10:40:28 PM
NYU arena looks pretty sweet. Right color too
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Great Day to be a Royal on March 08, 2024, 10:25:21 AM
NYU looks beautiful. Makes you think of what Scranton could have. Don't get me wrong. The gym looks great. I am a sucker for the Long Center. But the outside of the gym needs work. I have heard for years that was coming. It needs updated technology throughout the lobby, as well as a celebration of the past. More pictures, and celebration of conference championships, as well as national moments.

 

Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 08, 2024, 10:59:15 AM

NYU's gym does look great but......its been a long time coming.
With nearly 20 thousand undergrads paying close to 75K per year & donors standing in line, it's about time.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on March 08, 2024, 12:13:13 PM
I did radio play by play when the Lady Royals went to the Final Four at NYU (in 1997, I think) and lost to the Violets there.  I recall that I was not too impressed by their facilities then, but I haven't been back since to see the upgrades and unfortunately can't make it this weekend.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 08, 2024, 12:28:01 PM
I've heard that it's a $1 billion new building.
 2 years ago when NYU almost(ultimately went to Hope) hosted at their interim facility(St Francis(NY)), our best player(Abby Anderson, a grad xfer from St Francis) had more experience on that court than the NYU team as a group.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: names jaismith on March 08, 2024, 03:16:52 PM
I've seen NYU play maybe 10 times this year.  The great thing about the tournament is that no one is immune from a clunker and an untimely exit.  That being said, NYU is about as much of a sure lock as anyone has been in a long, long time.  They have an all-star lineup that plays great defense, potent offense and has a lot of depth.  It's really hard to see them losing this weekend - or any other one for that matter - but time will tell.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 09, 2024, 07:55:18 AM

Congrats to the Lady Royals & their coaching staff for once again putting together a fantastic year & reaching yet another Elite 8.

All the very best tonight!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 09, 2024, 01:55:03 PM
Go Lady Royals!
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on March 10, 2024, 04:38:00 PM
Congrats to NYU on moving on to the Final Four, and to Scranton on another fantastic season.

NYU's next game should be a good one vs. Transy in the battle of the last two unbeatens.  I look forward to watching it! 

Transy is less than three hours drive from Columbus whereas the other teams are 8-11 hour drives, so their fans will likely be able to travel to Columbus better than any other team in the Final Four. So Transy may have the de facto home crowd moving forward.

Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 10, 2024, 07:26:33 PM
 NYU should get past Transy this time and go on to win the title. Too much ability and balance with a very good 6th man in Peper.
 Lady Royals did well this season, especially in February/March, avenging the 2 losses, winning the conference on the road, then 3 wins in the NCAA tourney, ousted only by the #1 team in the country. The coaching staff made the favorable adjustments that enabled the team to have the best opportunity for success.   
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on March 11, 2024, 10:31:00 AM
Agreed.  NYU is more battle tested and has strong players and likely will win, but I think that Transy will make it closer than most of their other opponents.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 14, 2024, 05:11:46 PM

Congrats to all the Lady Royals that earned post season accolades in the Landmark, Region V, and nationally with Kaci again earning WBCA All-American honors.

Also a shout out to Scranton area stars from Abington Heights Anna Scoblick of Catholic being named Landmark POY & Clair Marion of Dickinson earning top honors in the Centennial.
Both were coached by former Lady Royal great, Deanna Klingman.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 15, 2024, 08:38:12 AM
NYU moves on...
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: Tim the Enchanter on March 16, 2024, 10:17:44 AM
The 15-point differential and 57 points scored in Thursday's game were the lowest figures for NYU in this tournament.  See, I told you Transy would make it closer. :)

I don't foresee Smith being a problem for the NYU juggernaut tonight.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 16, 2024, 10:53:39 AM

Great storyline has developed for tonights championship game.
Morgan Morrison is back in the Final Four for the second straight year this time leading NYU.
However, she played her previous 4 years at Smith leading them last year to the Pioneers first ever trip to the Final Four & was named National Player of the Year last season for her efforts.
Must be kind of surreal for her & really, what were the chances this would play out?
Beyond that...NYU will cut down the nets & win by 20+.
Title: Re: WBB: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on March 20, 2024, 12:44:42 PM
Just so people don't think i'm a one-league fan, Elizabethtown is getting two of our Easton Area High School's finest in Megan and Mallory Elias, twin guards who lit up the court during their playing years at Easton!