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Title: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 30, 2006, 07:58:29 AM
This season's start has jumped up on me! :-\

We have D3 games starting tomorrow night! :o

Thanks to Keith McMillan and to Laz of lazindex.com for the help.

Week 1 D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others.  (If they are D3 Provisional, then we are going to claim them as D3.  Corrections are always appreciated! ;))


D1-AA (Non-scholarship)

Butler IN at Albion
Iona NY at Montclair St
Valparaiso IN at Wisconisn Lutheran

D2

Pace NY at Husson
Minnesota State - Moorhead at Concordia-Moorhead
Mars Hill NC at Greensboro NC
UW-Lacrosse at South Dakota State
Western Oregon at Willamette
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on September 07, 2006, 12:15:11 AM
I have us as 3-1 vs. I-AAs in Week 1 (incl. the win over a team with scholarships) and 0-4 vs. D2.

The NAIA is addressed on the NAIA thread, obviously.

Week 2:

vs. Division I-AA (3-1 in Week 1)
Hanover at Butler
Dayton at Wittenberg
St. Peter at Western Connecticut

vs. Division II (0-4 in Week 1)
UW-Oshkosh at Minn.-Mankato
Ouachita Baptist at East Texas Baptist
Western Oregon at Linfield
Seton Hill at McDaniel
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 10, 2006, 01:38:17 PM
Update!

Quote from: K-Mack on September 07, 2006, 12:15:11 AM
I have us as 3-1 vs. I-AAs in Week 1 (incl. the win over a team with scholarships) and 0-4 vs. D2.

The NAIA is addressed on the NAIA thread, obviously.

Week 2:

vs. Division I-AA (3-1 in Week 1)
Hanover 20 at Butler 30.
Dayton 35 at Wittenberg 28.
St. Peter 3 at Western Connecticut 21.

vs. Division II (0-4 in Week 1)
UW-Oshkosh 22 at Minn.-Mankato 33
Ouachita Baptist 47 at East Texas Baptist 14
Western Oregon 28 at Linfield 14
Seton Hill 17 at McDaniel 7

Vs D1-AA 1-2 for week 2/ 4-3 for the season.

Vs D2 -- 0-4 for the week/0-8 for the season.  :-\
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 12, 2006, 12:23:43 AM
Week #3


1AA   La Salle                   vs   D3   Ursinus
D3   UW-Platteville     vs   1AA   Drake

D3   UW-Stout                vs   D2   Upper Iowa
D2   Chowan                   vs   D3   Methodist
D2   Seton Hill                   vs   D3   Wesley
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 17, 2006, 11:55:22 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 12, 2006, 12:23:43 AM
Week #3


1AA   La Salle 2              vs   D3   Ursinus 6
D3   UW-Platteville  7     vs   1AA   Drake 35

D3   UW-Stout    36            vs   D2Upper Iowa 34
D2   Chowan     7             vs   D3   Methodist 31
D2   Seton Hill      13            vs   D3   Wesley 49


D3 vs. D1-AA -- 5 wins and 4 losses on the season

D3 vs D2 --  now 3 wins and 8 losses
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 17, 2006, 11:56:43 PM
Week #4

D3   Western Connecticut   vs   1AA   Iona
D3   Rowan                                   vs   1AA   Robert Morris

NJAC vs the world!
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 24, 2006, 06:52:46 PM
Week #4

D3   Western Connecticut            vs    1AA   Iona  --  wins 21-20
D3   Rowan                                   vs   1AA   Robert Morris -- loses 0-21.


D3 versus 1-AA is 1-1 this week, and is now 6 wins and 5 losses on the season. 

Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 24, 2006, 06:56:18 PM
Week #5...

D2 Lincoln (MO)  at D3 Millsaps
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on September 25, 2006, 02:08:20 AM
That's all I have too.

vs. 1-AA 6-5 also, and whatever it was last week, 3-8, vs. DII.

Lincoln is II, isn't it?
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 25, 2006, 03:34:49 AM
Quote from: K-Mack on September 25, 2006, 02:08:20 AM
That's all I have too.

vs. 1-AA 6-5 also, and whatever it was last week, 3-8, vs. DII.

Lincoln is II, isn't it?

Yes, Lincoln Univeristy of Missouri (http://www.lincolnu.edu/pages/1.asp), an HBCU in Jefferson City and a member of the Great Lakes Football Conference, is 0-4 and has scored only 7 points this year.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 30, 2006, 05:06:45 PM
Now Lincoln has scored 17 points this year.  Too bad Millsaps put 52 on the board today.  :-)  WTG Majors!!
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 30, 2006, 07:21:44 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 24, 2006, 06:56:18 PM
Week #5...

D2 Lincoln (MO) 10  at D3 Millsaps 52

There are no D3 games against other divisions next week.

D3 is  4-8 vs. D2  this year.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on October 04, 2006, 12:54:18 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 30, 2006, 07:21:44 PMThere are no D3 games against other divisions next week.

Wonderful news!
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 09, 2006, 01:38:48 AM
Week #7:

1AA   La Salle   at   D3   Catholic
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 09, 2006, 11:10:30 AM
Ralph,  how would you compare the non-scholarship D1 AA with the better D3 teams?
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: smedindy on October 09, 2006, 02:31:32 PM
Bill - as far as I see it they are all over the place. A team like San Diego could definitely compete, while Butler would struggle in the HCAC or the NCAC.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on October 09, 2006, 07:33:08 PM
Quote from: Bill McCabe on October 09, 2006, 11:10:30 AM
Ralph,  how would you compare the non-scholarship D1 AA with the better D3 teams?

I think it varies across the board too. Just look at the results from this season and years past ... St. Peter's and Iona have lost to OK D3 teams, Valpo and Drake have crushed teams.

I think San Diego, Davidson, Dayton, Robert Morris and some of those would be pretty good if they were D3. But a lot of them would be middle to upper-middle of the pack, based on their results vs. D3s ... most would have a bigger student body and recruiting area than your average D3 though.

I don't think Butler, etc. would struggle in the HCAC. In fact, if they were members of our conferences and were competing for true championships and playoff bids, they might recruit better and win our conferences.

No telling really, but those are some ways of looking at it.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 15, 2006, 02:07:37 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 09, 2006, 01:38:48 AM
Week #7:

1AA   La Salle   27 at   D3   Catholic 14


D3 is 6-6 vs D1-AA.

Week #8

D3   Salisbury   at   1AA   St Peter's

D2   Brevard College   at   D3   LaGrange
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on October 16, 2006, 12:18:03 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 15, 2006, 02:07:37 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 09, 2006, 01:38:48 AM
Week #7:

1AA   La Salle   27 at   D3   Catholic 14


D3 is 6-6 vs D1-AA.

Week #8

D3   Salisbury   at   1AA   St Peter's

D2   Brevard College   at   D3   LaGrange


I was totally thinking Salisbury was playing St. Paul's, which is a D2 in Va. I think.

Sure does say Peter's everywhere I see it though.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 16, 2006, 12:45:53 PM
Keith,

Are you sure it's not St. Mary's?   ;D

[insert obscure reference to a 60's folk group here - oops, I just did]
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 21, 2006, 07:21:52 PM
Week #8

D3 is 6-7 vs D1-AA.

D3   Salisbury  23  at   1AA   St Peter's  26


D3 is  4-9  vs. D2.

D2   Brevard College  35   at  D3  LaGrange  27

Week #9

D3 Husson at D1-AA LaSalle
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 02, 2006, 10:31:04 PM
Plagarized from the front page (  ;) ) while my home computer and internet are down. :-\

Husson beat La Salle 17-7.  That has to be a great win for the Husson program!

Week #10

vs. Division I-AA (1-0 in Week 9, 7-7 in 2006)
None

vs. Division II (0-0 in Week 9, 4-9 in 2006)
Chowan at No. 4 Wesley
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on November 02, 2006, 10:58:50 PM
Likewise, it has to be a clue for La Salle to re-think what they're doing with the whole football thing.

They're pretty solid in basketball.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 04, 2007, 05:45:34 PM
Week # 10 D-3 vs D-2

Wesley 37, Chowan 7

Week #11 D-3 vs D-2

Bryant 42 Becker 0

Final D for 2006:  D3, 5 wins vs. D2,  10 wins.

Week #11 D3 vs. D1-AA

Valpo 20, Aurora 7.

Final for 2006:  D3, 7 wins; D1-AA,  8 wins.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on September 03, 2007, 07:40:20 PM
FWIW, looks like there was some solid giant-killing in Week 1 (http://www.collegesportingnews.com/article.asp?articleid=87112) beyond Appy State.

No mention of UW-Eau Claire over SW Minn State or Concordia-Moorhead over Moorhead State though. :)
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: DadofBashWarrior.. on September 03, 2007, 07:53:14 PM
That Drake Bulldog win over Illinois State with the hail Mary was huge...

I know kids in both programs that played with my son.....

Nice posting....
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on September 03, 2007, 08:40:28 PM
Who are those guys?

Following Division III teams in interdivisional play.

vs. Division I, FCS (formerly I-AA, 7-8 in 2006)
Ursinus 28, at La Salle 0 (Thurs.)
Wagner 20, at Western Connecticut 7 (Fri.)
at Butler 42, Albion 14
at Iona 14, Delaware Valley 12

1-3

vs. Division II (5-10 in 2006)
UW-Eau Claire 42, at Southwest Minnesota State 13 (Thurs.)
at Husson 25, Pace 13 (Fri.)
Fairmont State 3, at Newport News Apprentice 0
at Upper Iowa 38, Loras 11
at Concordia-Moorhead 34, Moorhead State 32
Western Oregon 23, at Willamette 9

3-3

Nice start
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: smedindy on September 04, 2007, 02:51:11 PM
K-Mack - I wonder how many D-3 schools play D-1AA...er...1-FCS scholarship programs. I think those four are non-scholarship programs (though I could be wrong).
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on September 06, 2007, 05:49:13 AM
Very rare is the I-AA scholarship team that plays a D3, for obvious reasons.

I've been doing this feature in ATN for the past two years, I think, you could go back and look if you really cared.

I think the La Crosse/S.D. State one from last year is one of the few.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 06, 2007, 08:55:11 AM
In our part of the country, Howard Payne beat Prairie View A&M in about 1998.  I am seeking sources to verify that.

PVAMU beat HPU 21-7 in 1999.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: smedindy on September 06, 2007, 09:48:09 AM
Didn't Prairie View get rid of scholarships for a while when they were hemorrhaging cash?
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 06, 2007, 10:26:27 AM
Quote from: smedindy on September 06, 2007, 09:48:09 AM
Didn't Prairie View get rid of scholarships for a while when they were hemorrhaging cash?
The year was 1998.  Prairie View was still a member of the Southwestern Athletic Conference (SWAC).

I cannot comment on the number of scholarships that they were awarding at the time.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: smedindy on September 06, 2007, 11:02:38 AM
They're still in the SWAC. That was at the end of the run where they may have been the worst college program of all time in any division, losing 80 straight.

I can't find any confirmation that they were without scholarships at that point in time. They have them now, but I think they had to do without for a while as they were bereft of funds.

Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: The Roop on September 06, 2007, 01:16:42 PM
Quote from: K-Mack on September 06, 2007, 05:49:13 AM
Very rare is the I-AA scholarship team that plays a D3, for obvious reasons.

I've been doing this feature in ATN for the past two years, I think, you could go back and look if you really cared.

I think the La Crosse/S.D. State one from last year is one of the few.

While UW-Lax/S.D. St. isn't a bad example it's probably not the best. S.D. St. is still going through it's provisional status so they haven't had time to "stack" their roster just yet.

My two cents says that a non-scholarship 1-AA isn't much different than a D3 anyway. Except for enrollment and stadium size; if that. For example lots of the teams in the Pioneer Football League (past and present) competed as D3s prior to the 1991 rule change requiring schools to compete as D1s in all sports or drop a level basically. It's still nice to see the D3s pick up some wins though and does provide for some interesting conversation.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Knightstalker on September 06, 2007, 01:31:38 PM
Quote from: The Roop on September 06, 2007, 01:16:42 PM
Quote from: K-Mack on September 06, 2007, 05:49:13 AM
Very rare is the I-AA scholarship team that plays a D3, for obvious reasons.

I've been doing this feature in ATN for the past two years, I think, you could go back and look if you really cared.

I think the La Crosse/S.D. State one from last year is one of the few.

While UW-Lax/S.D. St. isn't a bad example it's probably not the best. S.D. St. is still going through it's provisional status so they haven't had time to "stack" their roster just yet.

My two cents says that a non-scholarship 1-AA isn't much different than a D3 anyway. Except for enrollment and stadium size; if that. For example lots of the teams in the Pioneer Football League (past and present) competed as D3s prior to the 1991 rule change requiring schools to compete as D1s in all sports or drop a level basically. It's still nice to see the D3s pick up some wins though and does provide for some interesting conversation.

Some of the MAAC teams were also D-3 back then, I know St. Peters was.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: The Roop on September 06, 2007, 02:12:07 PM
I'm sure there are other schools that competed similarly, but what made me think of the PFL is the fact that D1 Dayton ended Augustanas run of D3 National Championships in football.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on September 06, 2007, 10:17:46 PM
Quote from: The Roop on September 06, 2007, 01:16:42 PM
Quote from: K-Mack on September 06, 2007, 05:49:13 AM
Very rare is the I-AA scholarship team that plays a D3, for obvious reasons.

I've been doing this feature in ATN for the past two years, I think, you could go back and look if you really cared.

I think the La Crosse/S.D. State one from last year is one of the few.

While UW-Lax/S.D. St. isn't a bad example it's probably not the best. S.D. St. is still going through it's provisional status so they haven't had time to "stack" their roster just yet.

Well, it came from one of the three toughest leagues in Division II, so it's still a quality win, but I see what you're saying.

If you have a better example, I'm all ears.


Quote from: The Roop on September 06, 2007, 01:16:42 PM
My two cents says that a non-scholarship 1-AA isn't much different than a D3 anyway. Except for enrollment and stadium size; if that. For example lots of the teams in the Pioneer Football League (past and present) competed as D3s prior to the 1991 rule change requiring schools to compete as D1s in all sports or drop a level basically. It's still nice to see the D3s pick up some wins though and does provide for some interesting conversation.

Most of that's true.

The fact that these I-AAs don't offer scholarships and schedule D3 schools give them a lot in common with an official D3.

But we generally are dealing with bigger schools with stronger athletic departments (although you have to wonder about football's place in their depts.)

Again, you know, you make of it what you will, the D3 vs. I-AA or II comparisons. I list them to educate folks on who these teams on the schedule are.

My opinion has always been that a good D3 will have several kids who could've played I-AA, while a I-AA will have a full roster full, obviously. I think there is some crossover, and the Pioneer League and the A-10/CAA being the same classification would be something of a misnomer, if only the OAC and IBFC were too. In other words, there's a wide range of talent levels, commitments to football, etc. under the labels "D3" and "I-AA" to begin with, so a comparision that only scratches the surface is probably flawed to begin with.

Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: The Roop on September 07, 2007, 11:58:20 AM
K-Mack: The Mount Union of the message board... That's Friggin Awesome !
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on September 08, 2007, 03:58:22 AM
Quote from: The Roop on September 07, 2007, 11:58:20 AM
K-Mack: The Mount Union of the message board... That's Friggin Awesome !

Thanks. It's probably not actually true, but it sounds cool.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on September 09, 2007, 06:45:43 AM
I got 0-4 today vs. D2. and 0-1 vs. I-AA (Butler over Hanover)

Missouri-Rolla and Ouachita Baptist are middling teams from tough D2 conferences playing middling teams (Stout & ETBU) from tough D3 conferences. UNC Pembroke is a D2 startup playing another Carolina team in Gboro, and WOU/Linfield is an annual Oregon grudge match (or what have you)

Sounds like they were all even matchups with regard to the teams' standing in D2 and D3 and we got blanked.

So far so bad (but not completely unexpected)
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 09, 2007, 10:48:45 AM
Keith,

We ranked ETBU No. 123 out of 238, which is below the halfway point. If you meant middling within the ASC, I don't think that's true.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on September 10, 2007, 02:04:52 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 09, 2007, 10:48:45 AM
Keith,

We ranked ETBU No. 123 out of 238, which is below the halfway point. If you meant middling within the ASC, I don't think that's true.

Sort of meant it as a general term, I didn't give it much thought. I guess since they won the conference as recently as 2003, I don't consider them a bottom-feeder, but they're also not a consistent contender.

Do with that what you will, oh fellow picker of nits.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: smedindy on September 10, 2007, 10:34:28 AM
I'll add my nits and 123 out of 238, while below the halfway point, is middling since it's just a skosh UNDER halfway.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 10, 2007, 10:40:58 AM
But not middling for the ASC. It's bottoming for the ASC.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 10, 2007, 11:13:57 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 10, 2007, 10:40:58 AM
But not middling for the ASC. It's bottoming for the ASC.
I did not want to divulge the Kickoff 2007 rankings of the ASC teams, but I was quite pleased that the bottom of the ASC was considered to be in the 3rd quintile of D3.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: smedindy on September 10, 2007, 11:14:52 AM
Perhaps it should have read "facing middling D-3 teams that play in tough conferences" then? Tomayto - tomahto. Let's call the whole thing off!  :D
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on September 12, 2007, 12:46:52 AM
I interrupt this continuing nitpicking to bring you the running list of how Division III is doing, as promised in this week's ATN:

Who are those guys?

Following Division III teams in interdivisional play.

vs. Division I, FCS (formerly I-AA, 7-8 in 2006)
Ursinus 28, at La Salle 0 (Thurs.)
Wagner 20, at Western Connecticut 7 (Fri.)
at Butler 42, Albion 14
at Iona 14, Delaware Valley 12
1-3 --------------
Butler 44, at Hanover 14
1-4 --------------

vs. Division II (5-10 in 2006)
UW-Eau Claire 42, at Southwest Minnesota State 13 (Thurs.)
at Husson 25, Pace 13 (Fri.)
Fairmont State 3, at Newport News Apprentice 0
at Upper Iowa 38, Loras 11
at Concordia-Moorhead 34, Moorhead State 32
Western Oregon 23, at Willamette 9
3-3 -----------------
at Western Oregon 32, (ranked) Linfield 20
at UNC-Pembroke 26, Greensboro 20
at Missouri-Rolla 28, UW-Stout 10
at Ouachita Baptist 46, ETBU 19
3-7 --------------
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on September 13, 2007, 03:22:02 PM
Week 3

vs. Division I, FCS (0-1 in Week 2, 1-4 in 2007)
Drake at UW-Platteville
Valparaiso at Kalamazoo

vs. Division II (0-4 in Week 2, 3-7 in 2007)
No. 2 UW-Whitewater at St. Cloud State
Methodist at Chowan
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: OshDude on September 13, 2007, 04:11:32 PM
According to a credible source, there's a new No. 7 team in the land.

Forgive me if someone already mentioned this.

http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/michigan_drops_to_division (http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/michigan_drops_to_division)
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 13, 2007, 04:38:10 PM
ROFLOL!  +k   ;D

And you know, some of the UMHB guys are saying they could defeat some D-I teams, and since they're ranked #3 in the poll this dovetails right into that discussion. 
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on September 13, 2007, 04:50:46 PM
That's awesome. You gotta love The Onion.

They actually had to check out our poll, I think, to do that.

Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 13, 2007, 05:00:10 PM
Guess so.

For the heck of it, I put together a screen shot of the Top 25 with Michigan in it and sent it along to the Onion folks. :)
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: smedindy on September 13, 2007, 08:26:35 PM
Classic. The great thing about the Onion is that they use actual true facts in their made up news...
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 13, 2007, 08:47:06 PM
Well, this is one Wolverine fan who thinks this is very disrespectful.  I think they should be ranked at least #4! ;D

Pat, the AP opened up their poll to allow voters to vote for Appalachian State (that was before Oregon made ASU's victory look like much less of a big deal!) - you gonna take the wraps off your voters ???
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 13, 2007, 08:56:49 PM
Hmm, no, I doubt we'll allow voting for scholarship programs. :)
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: ADL70 on September 13, 2007, 09:39:58 PM
Quote from: smedindy on September 13, 2007, 08:26:35 PM
Classic. The great thing about the Onion is that they use actual true facts in their made up news...

As Homer Simpson is reputed to have said: "Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!"
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 13, 2007, 10:26:23 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 13, 2007, 08:47:06 PM
Well, this is one Wolverine fan who thinks this is very disrespectful.  I think they should be ranked at least #4! ;D

Pat, the AP opened up their poll to allow voters to vote for Appalachian State (that was before Oregon made ASU's victory look like much less of a big deal!) - you gonna take the wraps off your voters ???

They can vote for D3 or D2 teams, too.  I am waiting for someone to give MUC a point, it's bound to happen. 
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 13, 2007, 11:04:38 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 13, 2007, 08:56:49 PM
Hmm, no, I doubt we'll allow voting for scholarship programs. :)

Hmm, does this mean Air Force, Navy, and whoever is this year's power in the Ivy League are now eligible? ;D

[Tongue-in-cheek belated revenge for the brouhaha over a certain Titan bball player who shall not be named, but never had a scholarship!  ;)]
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 14, 2007, 12:44:04 AM
I wasn't going to rule out the other programs in case they join. I know there won't be scholarships in D-III to worry about. :)
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 15, 2007, 05:18:14 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 13, 2007, 05:00:10 PM
For the heck of it, I put together a screen shot of the Top 25 with Michigan in it and sent it along to the Onion folks. :)

At the half: Michigan 31, Notre Dame 0.

How about a new version of Kickoff, with ND just below Principia? ;D
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: smedindy on September 15, 2007, 05:24:43 PM
I was going to say that ND looks like they need to join the UMAC.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: runyr on September 15, 2007, 09:06:07 PM
Quote from: smedindy on September 15, 2007, 05:24:43 PM
I was going to say that ND looks like they need to join the UMAC.
Maybe they should.  ND has no real seniors and doesn't allow redshirting or athletic scholarship transfers.  They have a few (very average) juniors.  The starters are freshmen, sophomores and a few 5th yr seniors who agreed to stay on.  The best they can do is 7-5, but after watching today, 6-6 seems optimistic.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: AF4 on September 15, 2007, 10:02:47 PM
"ND has no real seniors and doesn't allow redshirting or athletic scholarship transfers.  They have a few (very average) juniors.  The starters are freshmen, sophomores and a few 5th yr seniors who agreed to stay on."

duh... what is the difference between a 5th yr senior and a redshirt senior ?
how can they have 5th yrs if they didn't red shirt,,medical or other wise.... ?

Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: runyr on September 15, 2007, 10:35:46 PM
Quote from: AF4 on September 15, 2007, 10:02:47 PM
"ND has no real seniors and doesn't allow redshirting or athletic scholarship transfers.  They have a few (very average) juniors.  The starters are freshmen, sophomores and a few 5th yr seniors who agreed to stay on."

duh... what is the difference between a 5th yr senior and a redshirt senior ?
how can they have 5th yrs if they didn't red shirt,,medical or other wise.... ?


Medicals okay at ND.  If player is injured and still has eligibility, he can petition for 5th year.  5th year is not automatic and not given to anyone who asks.  Athlete must be outstanding student-athlete to earn 5th year.  Most 5th years have earned their degrees and take graduate courses the final season.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: AF4 on September 15, 2007, 11:03:55 PM
hero

i still do not no how u have '5th yr who agreed to stay'...if they weren't red shirted.....?

most of the 5th yr seniors at auburn or alabama also have thier degrees...word... so.... i am unsure that that is a big deal...... they just call the 5th yr seniors...red shirts in alabama

i saw ND mentioned.... and i couldn't help but run my mouth... sorry...      my bad

but .... as ghandhi said ' i hope this won't stand between us as men'
keep the faith
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: runyr on September 16, 2007, 12:34:51 AM
Twin,
It's all about the student-athlete being on path to graduate on time.  You can read about it at link below to know more.  Peace.
Fifth Year Eligibility (http://media.www.ndsmcobserver.com/media/storage/paper660/news/2006/11/01/Sports/Football.Weis.Opposes.AcrossTheBoard.Ncaa.FifthYear.Eligibility-2414417.shtml)



Edited for formatting.  Thanks, Ralph Turner
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: laz on September 18, 2007, 09:57:35 PM
Here's what I have through games of Sept. 15th

D3 vs 1AA

1 - 6

D3 vs D2

3 - 9

D3 vs NAIA

14 - 3
Title: Remaining Interdivision Contests
Post by: laz on September 19, 2007, 07:32:29 AM
Week of 9/22         
New Jersey   A   1AA   LaSalle
Western Conn St   H   1AA   Iona
Menlo   H   D2   Humboldt St
UW-Stevens Point   H   NAIA   Waldorf
Willamette   H   NAIA   Southern Oregon
Howard Payne   A   NAIA   Texas College
Week of 9/29         
Frostburg St   A   1AA   Duquesne
Geneva   H   1AA   La Salle
Week of 10/6         
None         
Week of 10/13         
Frostburg St   H   NAIA   Southern Virginia
Huntingdon   H   NAIA   Faulkner
Linfield   A   NAIA   Southern Oregon
Week of 10/20         
LaGrange   A   D2   Brevard
Frostburg St   H   NAIA   Union KY
Luther   H   NAIA   Waldorf
Whitworth   A   NAIA   Azusa Pacific
Week of 10/27         
Buena Vista   H   NAIA   Waldorf
Apprentice-Nwpt News   A   NAIA   Southern Virginia
Week of 11/3         
LaGrange   A   D2   Kentucky Wesleyan
Minnesota-Morris   H   NAIA   Waldorf
Week of 11/10         
Apprentice-Nwpt News   H   D2   Chowan
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 19, 2007, 04:44:46 PM
Came across this:

http://www.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/stories/091807aao.html

First I-AA JV game story I've ever read, fairly certain.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: smedindy on September 19, 2007, 06:11:29 PM
WOW! Was it a slow web day at LaSalle???
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on September 20, 2007, 12:40:59 AM
Laz,
Looks like our numbers agree. The results are playing out so far this season as extreme representations of each division's expected strength, wouldn't you say?

Who are those guys?

Following Division III teams in interdivisional play.

vs. Division I, FCS (formerly I-AA, 7-8 in 2006)
Ursinus 28, at La Salle 0 (Thurs.)
Wagner 20, at Western Connecticut 7 (Fri.)
at Butler 42, Albion 14
at Iona 14, Delaware Valley 12
1-3 --------------
Butler 44, at Hanover 14
1-4 --------------
Drake 20, at UW-Platteville 7
Valparaiso 38, at Kalamazoo 24
1-6 -------------------
TCNJ at La Salle (Fri.)
Iona at Western Conn.

vs. Division II (5-10 in 2006)
UW-Eau Claire 42, at Southwest Minnesota State 13 (Thurs.)
at Husson 25, Pace 13 (Fri.)
Fairmont State 3, at Newport News Apprentice 0
at Upper Iowa 38, Loras 11
at Concordia-Moorhead 34, Moorhead State 32
Western Oregon 23, at Willamette 9
3-3 -----------------
at Western Oregon 32, (ranked) Linfield 20
at UNC-Pembroke 26, Greensboro 20
at Missouri-Rolla 28, UW-Stout 10
at Ouachita Baptist 46, ETBU 19
3-7 --------------
at St. Cloud State 26, No. 2 UW-Whitewater 16
at Chowan 31, Methodist 30, OT
3-9 ----------------
Humboldt State at Menlo
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on September 20, 2007, 08:59:08 PM
Had to fact-check something today (a reference to Morningside being in D3), and found this story about the demise of the D2 NCC, one of their top conferences. It would be like us watching the OAC crumble.

http://sports.aol.com/story/_a/nccs-last-once-mighty-d-ii-league-starts/n20070824140709990039

It's sort of old, and AP, but I was still interested.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 20, 2007, 09:30:45 PM
Quote from: K-Mack on September 20, 2007, 08:59:08 PM
Had to fact-check something today (a reference to Morningside being in D3), and found this story about the demise of the D2 NCC, one of their top conferences. It would be like us watching the OAC crumble.

http://sports.aol.com/story/_a/nccs-last-once-mighty-d-ii-league-starts/n20070824140709990039

It's sort of old, and AP, but I was still interested.
The by-line of that article is "Dave Campbell".

There is no more revered name in Texas Football circles or Texas sports journalism than Dave Campbell.  I hope that it is one and the same.   :)
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on September 20, 2007, 09:44:09 PM
Pretty sure those are different Dave Campbells Ralph. Isn't your Dave about 70?
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 22, 2007, 06:47:43 AM
Quote from: K-Mack on September 20, 2007, 09:44:09 PM
Pretty sure those are different Dave Campbells Ralph. Isn't your Dave about 70?
The Waco, Texas Dave Campbell published the first Texas Football Magazine in 1960.  Dave is probably closer to 85-90.

Thanks, K-Mack.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on September 25, 2007, 01:37:13 AM
A lil something about the Mount Union of Division II (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/2007-09-24-grandvalley_N.htm), for anyone who's bored:

Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Foss on September 25, 2007, 02:28:52 AM
Interesting article, Keith. It's hard for me to fathom that in the last 5 years, there has actually been a football team MORE dominant (in terms of winning national titles) than Mt. Union. (MUC winning 3 of the last 5 Stagg Bowls and Grand Valley winning 4 of the last 5 DII championships). Although, Mt. Union has the better overall record (the article says GV is 89-5) and MUC is 98-3 since 2000.

However, Mt. Union will likely fall to 98-4 after this Saturday when they face Heidelberg............NOT. Veeeeery close MUC/Heidelberg scores since '99: 66-0, 60-7, 54-7, 61-0, 68-13, 59-10, 63-0, and 58-0.

I'd say we're due for a nice even 50-0 game this year. How many points are scored in the 2nd half, I'm not sure.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: smedindy on September 25, 2007, 10:51:30 AM
I wonder how good of a game Mt. Union and Grand Valley would be.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 25, 2007, 11:07:27 AM
Quote from: smedindy on September 25, 2007, 10:51:30 AM
I wonder how good of a game Mt. Union and Grand Valley would be.

With all due respect to the Mount, I don't think they'd stand a chance against GVSU.  However, I do think they could beat many, perhaps even most, d2 teams, and perhaps even finish about fourth in the GLIAC.  But Grand Valley is to d2 as MUC is to d3 - they DESTROYED #25 Michigan Tech.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Foss on September 28, 2007, 01:55:27 AM
When was the last time a DIII football team played a 1-AA (FCS) team that wasn't a "mid-major" or non-scholarship 1-AA team and what was the score? Also, when was the last time, if ever, a DIII team played a 1A (FBS) team?
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on September 28, 2007, 02:07:30 AM
Quote from: Foss on September 28, 2007, 01:55:27 AM
When was the last time a DIII football team played a 1-AA (FCS) team that wasn't a "mid-major" or non-scholarship 1-AA team and what was the score? Also, when was the last time, if ever, a DIII team played a 1A (FBS) team?

Well, the farther back you go toward '73 (the first year of three divisions), the more intertwined the teams are because big-time wasn't as big time then in most cases, IMHO.

Last year UW-La Crosse beat South Dakota State, which was a I-AA scholarship team which had recently moved from Division II.

Most of the schools that schedule D3s are the Pioneer League & other non-schol mid-majors though ... just makes sense.

As far as the actual answer to that question, that might take some research on someone who has the time's part.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on September 28, 2007, 02:09:34 AM
Who are those guys? UPDATED

Following Division III teams in interdivisional play.

vs. Division I, FCS (formerly I-AA, 7-8 in 2006)
Ursinus 28, at La Salle 0 (Thurs.)
Wagner 20, at Western Connecticut 7 (Fri.)
at Butler 42, Albion 14
at Iona 14, Delaware Valley 12
1-3 --------------
Butler 44, at Hanover 14
1-4 --------------
Drake 20, at UW-Platteville 7
Valparaiso 38, at Kalamazoo 24
1-6 -------------------
TCNJ 13, at La Salle 12 (Fri.)
Western Conn. 41, at Iona 37
3-6 -------------
Frostburg State at Duquesne
La Salle at Geneva

vs. Division II (5-10 in 2006)
UW-Eau Claire 42, at Southwest Minnesota State 13 (Thurs.)
at Husson 25, Pace 13 (Fri.)
Fairmont State 3, at Newport News Apprentice 0
at Upper Iowa 38, Loras 11
at Concordia-Moorhead 34, Moorhead State 32
Western Oregon 23, at Willamette 9
3-3 -----------------
at Western Oregon 32, (ranked) Linfield 20
at UNC-Pembroke 26, Greensboro 20
at Missouri-Rolla 28, UW-Stout 10
at Ouachita Baptist 46, ETBU 19
3-7 --------------
at St. Cloud State 26, No. 2 UW-Whitewater 16
at Chowan 31, Methodist 30, OT
3-9 ----------------
Humboldt State 44, at Menlo 7
3-10 --------------
No games in Week 5
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 28, 2007, 08:51:35 AM
Quote from: Foss on September 28, 2007, 01:55:27 AM
When was the last time a DIII football team played a 1-AA (FCS) team that wasn't a "mid-major" or non-scholarship 1-AA team and what was the score? Also, when was the last time, if ever, a DIII team played a 1A (FBS) team?
Howard Payne beat Prairie View A&M (SWAC) in 1998 during PV's slump.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 28, 2007, 09:07:54 AM
ROFL ... who didn't, that was one pretty sad excuse for a team.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Foss on September 28, 2007, 06:50:15 PM
Keith - Thanks. Yes, I remember UW-La Crosse's win over South Dakota State just last season. If I'm not mistaken it was a pretty impressive win (double digits) and South Dakota State actually cracked the 1-AA top 25 last season at one point (either before the UW-La Crosse game or much later in the season after they put together a number of wins). Before that game, I can't think of who the last scholarship 1-AA was.

Nice recall, Ralph. I'd be curious to know who the last FBS/IA team a DIII squad played before mighty Prairie View A&M, but the answer might not be worth the effort needed to find out.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 28, 2007, 11:06:35 PM
Quote from: Foss on September 28, 2007, 06:50:15 PM
Keith - Thanks. Yes, I remember UW-La Crosse's win over South Dakota State just last season. If I'm not mistaken it was a pretty impressive win (double digits) and South Dakota State actually cracked the 1-AA top 25 last season at one point (either before the UW-La Crosse game or much later in the season after they put together a number of wins). Before that game, I can't think of who the last scholarship 1-AA was.

Nice recall, Ralph. I'd be curious to know who the last FBS/IA team a DIII squad played before mighty Prairie View A&M, but the answer might not be worth the effort needed to find out.
Thanks, foss.

I don't know where to find the database that might have that game.   ???

I wonder if that game has ever been played?  Would it have been against a Big East team?  Mid American Conference?

When was the last D-III versus D-IA (FBS) even played?
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on September 30, 2007, 12:24:20 AM
There's got to be an easier way than this, but uh, want to pick a team/conference and comb?

http://www.jhowell.net/cf/scores/byConf.htm
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: repete on September 30, 2007, 12:34:12 AM
Or you could scan this ....

http://d1afootball.com/results.php
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on October 01, 2007, 01:42:23 AM
Yeah, I actually thought of CFB data warehouse first. There's tons of sites to try, none of the options sound easy if we have to go back to the 90s or 80s.

Best bet might be to ask Laz or Massey if they know or can find out offhand since they track results by division (I think) and might notice interdivisional outliers like that.

I thought about the string website too, but that's only fun if you want to prove how Randolph-Macon could've beaten Rutgers in 1996. :)
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Foss on October 07, 2007, 11:09:41 PM
There is a new all-divisions career rushing leader in college football. It's somewhat disappointing since the previous record was held by a DIII player. However, this article does mention R.J. Bowers' incredible achievement, and the new rushing leader sounds like a solid kid.

Chadron State's Danny Woodhead breaks all-divisions career rushing record   (http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=287185)
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: repete on October 08, 2007, 03:25:54 PM
Quote from: K-Mack on October 01, 2007, 01:42:23 AM
I thought about the string website too, but that's only fun if you want to prove how Randolph-Macon could've beaten Rutgers in 1996. :)

Yeah, maybe you ought to change your handle to X Factor ...
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on October 10, 2007, 11:35:58 PM
Quote from: repete on October 08, 2007, 03:25:54 PM
Quote from: K-Mack on October 01, 2007, 01:42:23 AM
I thought about the string website too, but that's only fun if you want to prove how Randolph-Macon could've beaten Rutgers in 1996. :)

Yeah, maybe you ought to change your handle to X Factor ...

???
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on October 10, 2007, 11:51:57 PM
Who are those guys? UPDATED

Following Division III teams in interdivisional play.

vs. Division I, FCS (formerly I-AA, 7-8 in 2006)
Ursinus 28, at La Salle 0 (Thurs.)
Wagner 20, at Western Connecticut 7 (Fri.)
at Butler 42, Albion 14
at Iona 14, Delaware Valley 12
1-3 --------------
Butler 44, at Hanover 14
1-4 --------------
Drake 20, at UW-Platteville 7
Valparaiso 38, at Kalamazoo 24
1-6 -------------------
TCNJ 13, at La Salle 12 (Fri.)
Western Conn. 41, at Iona 37
3-6 -------------
at Duquesne 37, Frostburg State 10
Geneva 29, La Salle 7
---- No update necessary for Weeks 6 or 7

vs. Division II (5-10 in 2006)
UW-Eau Claire 42, at Southwest Minnesota State 13 (Thurs.)
at Husson 25, Pace 13 (Fri.)
Fairmont State 3, at Newport News Apprentice 0
at Upper Iowa 38, Loras 11
at Concordia-Moorhead 34, Moorhead State 32
Western Oregon 23, at Willamette 9
3-3 -----------------
at Western Oregon 32, (ranked) Linfield 20
at UNC-Pembroke 26, Greensboro 20
at Missouri-Rolla 28, UW-Stout 10
at Ouachita Baptist 46, ETBU 19
3-7 --------------
at St. Cloud State 26, No. 2 UW-Whitewater 16
at Chowan 31, Methodist 30, OT
3-9 ----------------
Humboldt State 44, at Menlo 7
3-10 --------------
---- No update necessary for Weeks 5, 6 or 7
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on October 21, 2007, 12:16:19 AM
A couple interesting stories from our brethren:

Roehl, Bison make up for last year, run over Minnesota in 27-21 victory

QuoteN. Dakota St. 27, Minnesota 21

By JON KRAWCZYNSKI
AP Sports Writer
    MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — As the clock ticked toward zero, more than 30,000 North Dakota State fans roared their approval inside the Metrodome.
    The final score read: North Dakota State 27, Minnesota 21.
    It was an emphatic statement that the NDSU's oft-questioned move from Division II to Division I was the right one.
    "Today didn't happen by chance," said coach Craig Bohl, who was hired five years ago to shepherd the Bison up to the division formerly called I-AA. "This was no fluke."
    It's hard to argue with him now.
    North Dakota State nearly pulled off a shocker here last season, when Minnesota had to block a field goal try on the final play to preserve a 10-9 victory.
    The Bison dominated that game and were even more overpowering this time around, rushing for nearly 400 yards while manhandling their big brothers from the Big Ten.
    "Any time you win over a Big Ten team, it's a statement," Bohl said. "Certainly a lot of people felt like we had the short end of the stick as far as our resources."
    Tyler Roehl rushed for a school record 263 yards and a touchdown and NDSU (7-0) extended the nation's longest winning streak in Division I to 11 games.

QuoteGrand Valley State wins 35th straight game to set Division II record

    MIDLAND, Mich. (AP) — Grand Valley State won its 35th straight game to set the Division II record for longest winning streak, beating Northwood 51-20 Saturday.
    Hillsdale, an in-state rival to Grand Valley State, set the previous record from 1954-57.
    Brad Iciek completed 17-of-24 passes for 403 yards for Grand Valley State and the Lakers (7-0, 6-0 Great Lakes Intercollegiate) had 641 total yards.
    Northwood (3-4, 3-4) gained 416 yards.
    The last time the Lakers' lost was Nov. 27, 2004, at North Dakota in the NCAA playoffs.
    Division III Mount Union in Alliance, Ohio, owns the NCAA record for consecutive wins with 55. Oklahoma's 47 straight victories is the major college mark.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: AF4 on October 21, 2007, 09:31:04 PM
Ralph, K Mack, et al...

i realize i am speaking on JV and not varsity... but... wow... Huntingdon JV played Troy University JV today in Troy, Al  ( D-1, thier varsity was 2006 sunbelt conf  and new orleans bowl champ)

...... big, ......no.... Huge difference in speed -size-... well u name it

they won 34 to 7.... they were..uh... D-1 players

we tried, fought... etc ...and never quit but...they were pretty good

typical match up was thier center ( ~305 , 6'3"... and as quick off the ball as i have ever... ever seen, great feet, set up and got fit real quick, and a true freshman) vs our to 1 tech tackles's of 260# and 235#

most of our coaches played and or coached at troy... so like home coming for them, and the Troy folks were  very nice, great facilities

keep the faith...and Go Hawks
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on October 23, 2007, 04:35:11 AM
Who are those guys? UPDATED

Following Division III teams in interdivisional play.

vs. Division I, FCS (formerly I-AA, 7-8 in 2006)
Ursinus 28, at La Salle 0 (Thurs.)
Wagner 20, at Western Connecticut 7 (Fri.)
at Butler 42, Albion 14
at Iona 14, Delaware Valley 12
1-3 --------------
Butler 44, at Hanover 14
1-4 --------------
Drake 20, at UW-Platteville 7
Valparaiso 38, at Kalamazoo 24
1-6 -------------------
TCNJ 13, at La Salle 12 (Fri.)
Western Conn. 41, at Iona 37
3-6 -------------
at Duquesne 37, Frostburg State 10
Geneva 29, La Salle 7
---- No update necessary for Weeks 6-9

vs. Division II (5-10 in 2006)
UW-Eau Claire 42, at Southwest Minnesota State 13 (Thurs.)
at Husson 25, Pace 13 (Fri.)
Fairmont State 3, at Newport News Apprentice 0
at Upper Iowa 38, Loras 11
at Concordia-Moorhead 34, Moorhead State 32
Western Oregon 23, at Willamette 9
3-3 -----------------
at Western Oregon 32, then-No. 13 Linfield 20
at UNC-Pembroke 26, Greensboro 20
at Missouri-Rolla 28, UW-Stout 10
at Ouachita Baptist 46, ETBU 19
3-7 --------------
at St. Cloud State 26, No. 2 UW-Whitewater 16
at Chowan 31, Methodist 30, OT
3-9 ----------------
Humboldt State 44, at Menlo 7
3-10 -------------- (No update necessary for Weeks 5-7)
at Brevard 38, LaGrange 21
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: dc_has_been on October 24, 2007, 12:04:25 AM
K-Mack- it is still nice to see that a DIII school still holds the mark for most consecutive victories!  Plus my first college game was in Alliance (1997, Defiance College 0 Mount Union a bunch), when "The Mount" was making that mark.  I guess that means I'm part of the record too ;D
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on October 24, 2007, 03:14:47 PM
Congrats to you too then!  :D
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on January 06, 2008, 03:10:04 AM
Who are those guys? FINAL UPDATE

Following Division III teams in interdivisional play.

vs. Division I, FCS (formerly I-AA, 7-8 in 2006)
Ursinus 28, at La Salle 0 (Thurs.)
Wagner 20, at Western Connecticut 7 (Fri.)
at Butler 42, Albion 14
at Iona 14, Delaware Valley 12
1-3 --------------
Butler 44, at Hanover 14
1-4 --------------
Drake 20, at UW-Platteville 7
Valparaiso 38, at Kalamazoo 24
1-6 -------------------
TCNJ 13, at La Salle 12 (Fri.)
Western Conn. 41, at Iona 37
3-6 -------------
at Duquesne 37, Frostburg State 10
Geneva 29, La Salle 7
---- No update necessary after Week 6

FINAL: 4-7

vs. Division II (5-10 in 2006)
UW-Eau Claire 42, at Southwest Minnesota State 13 (Thurs.)
at Husson 25, Pace 13 (Fri.)
Fairmont State 3, at Newport News Apprentice 0
at Upper Iowa 38, Loras 11
at Concordia-Moorhead 34, Moorhead State 32
Western Oregon 23, at Willamette 9
3-3 -----------------
at Western Oregon 32, (ranked) Linfield 20
at UNC-Pembroke 26, Greensboro 20
at Missouri-Rolla 28, UW-Stout 10
at Ouachita Baptist 46, ETBU 19
3-7 --------------
at St. Cloud State 26, No. 2 UW-Whitewater 16
at Chowan 31, Methodist 30, OT
3-9 ----------------
Humboldt State 44, at Menlo 7
3-10 --------------
---- No update necessary for Weeks 5-7 or 9-10

Week 8: Brevard 38, LaGrange 21
Week 11: Chowan 61, NNA 55, 4 OT

FINAL 3-12
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 30, 2008, 06:06:16 PM
Thanks to BSC fan, old moose!

Birmingham Southern 12, at Campbell 6.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on August 30, 2008, 07:27:45 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on August 30, 2008, 06:06:16 PM
Thanks to BSC fan, old moose!

Birmingham Southern 12, at Campbell 6.

... aaaaaand we're off!
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on September 10, 2008, 05:21:04 PM
2008
Courtesy ATN :) See the column for this coming week's games.

vs. Division I, FCS (I-AA; 4-7 in 2007, 2-2 in 2008)
Week 0
Birmingham-Southern 12, at Campbell 6

Week 1
Butler 20, at Albion 6
Iona 27, at Delaware Valley 19
at Methodist 32, Campbell 21

vs. Division II, FCS (3-12 in 2007, 1-2 in 2008)
at Merrimack 42, Husson 7
at Plymouth State 36, St. Anselm 28
Seton Hill 27, at Geneva 18
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on September 13, 2008, 08:48:29 PM
2008
Courtesy ATN :) See the column for this coming week's games.

vs. Division I, FCS (I-AA; 4-7 in 2007, 2-2 in 2008)
Week 0
Birmingham-Southern 12, at Campbell 6

Week 1
Butler 20, at Albion 6
Iona 27, at Delaware Valley 19
at Methodist 32, Campbell 21

Week 2
Franklin 31, at Butler 28
at Valparaiso 34, Concordia (Wis.) 10
at North Dakota 45, UW-La Crosse

(1-2 in Week 2, 3-4 in 2008)

----------------------------------

vs. Division II, FCS (1-2 in Week 1, 1-2 in 2008)
at Merrimack 42, Husson 7
at Plymouth State 36, St. Anselm 28
Seton Hill 27, at Geneva 18
Week 2
None
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on September 21, 2008, 10:06:33 AM
Week 3
vs. Division I, FCS
Hanover at Butler, ccd.

vs. Division II
Missouri S&T 31, at UW-Stout 24

Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on September 30, 2008, 09:22:07 AM
Week 4
1-AA
Campbell 36, at Carthage 27

II
Adrian 37, at Lake Erie 17
at American International 35, Husson 7
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 30, 2008, 01:34:23 PM
Quote from: K-Mack on September 30, 2008, 09:22:07 AM
Week 4
1-AA
Campbell 36, at Carthage 27

II
Adrian 37, at Lake Erie 17
at American International 35, Husson 7
Campbell seems to be getting better each week.   ;)
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on October 16, 2008, 12:22:23 AM
Don't think there were any games in Week 5.

In Week 6:

I-AA
Wesley 23, at Iona 12

Division II
at Lake Erie 47, NNA 38

Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on October 22, 2008, 05:31:22 AM
Week 7 = lame
at No. 17 Salisbury 39, Lake Erie 15   
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 22, 2008, 11:30:45 AM
UMHB at Southern Oregon this weekend.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on October 23, 2008, 12:34:25 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 22, 2008, 11:30:45 AM
UMHB at Southern Oregon this weekend.

Southern Oregon is NAIA, Western Oregon is Division II ... if I'm not mistaken.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: d-train on October 23, 2008, 03:47:06 PM
Quote from: K-Mack on October 23, 2008, 12:34:25 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 22, 2008, 11:30:45 AM
UMHB at Southern Oregon this weekend.

Southern Oregon is NAIA, Western Oregon is Division II ...

That's correct.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on October 23, 2008, 04:09:18 PM
Quote from: d-train on October 23, 2008, 03:47:06 PM
Quote from: K-Mack on October 23, 2008, 12:34:25 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 22, 2008, 11:30:45 AM
UMHB at Southern Oregon this weekend.

Southern Oregon is NAIA, Western Oregon is Division II ...

That's correct.

Oh yeah!

(is guru)
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on October 26, 2008, 05:11:14 PM
Here's a noval idea. Why not count all games??? With more and more DIII programs having to fill their schedules with non DIII schools maybe it's time to reward those schools for at least trying to fill out a schedule.

You give base points to all the naia, DII ,DIA ,DI(not that anyone plays them)  Everyone gets a set amount of pt's for beating a DIII school and then gets a set point value for every win that opponent gets. Same thing for non DIII schools
You give the scholorship schools a higher pt value to start from. This would also give schools with ten game schedules an advantage over schools who only schedule nine games. It's not perfect but it's a start
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on October 29, 2008, 12:48:37 AM
Quote from: PA_wesleyfan on October 26, 2008, 05:11:14 PMHere's a noval idea. Why not count all games??? With more and more DIII programs having to fill their schedules with non DIII schools maybe it's time to reward those schools for at least trying to fill out a schedule.

Well, first of all, there are fewer and fewer schools who have to fill out with non-D3s. It's basically the schools on geographic islands, the WIAC and the small conferences (ACFC) who have yet to work out a partnership.

I think the reason Division III games count more toward the playoffs is the same reason in-region games do. The membership decided it wants to encourage Division III teams to play each other when possible, and to play schools close by and limit travel costs when possible.

This also funnels teams into conferences, which then makes the AQ system more effective and provides an avenue for teams to schedule like opponents in their non-conference dates.

Basically, if Frostburg could join the PAC and Wesley and Salisbury the NJAC, you'd have a much different view of things :)

Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on October 30, 2008, 12:11:48 AM
What if Frostburg joins the CAC  ;) Then you have 4 core schools (Gallaudet is a member), Stevenson gives you five but you still need 2 schools to commit for football.

I wonder if Salisbury is in the same boat as Wesley with the roster restrictions in the NJAC?
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on October 30, 2008, 01:12:09 AM
Are you counting Catholic as a core member?

The ODAC would suddenly warm up to Shenandoah's overtures if CUA became CAC.

Gallaudet is going NAC for now.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 30, 2008, 12:26:28 PM
Catholic isn't in the CAC anymore for anything. I don't know if they would be interested in the CAC as a football conference over the ODAC. I think Catholic really enjoys its association with the ODAC.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on November 04, 2008, 01:53:11 AM
Maybe it should go full monty.

CUA & Shenandoah for all sports, plus Randolph College men ... that would be a gigantor league for basketball, wouldn't it?

Just making stuff up here with no real basis for it. :)
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Foss on November 23, 2008, 11:25:16 AM
I thought this crazy record setting score from the D2 playoffs between a couple of Lone Star state teams was worth mentioning:

Abilene Christian   93
West Texas A&M  68

Yikes!
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Teamski on November 23, 2008, 06:27:10 PM
Quote from: Foss on November 23, 2008, 11:25:16 AM
I thought this crazy record setting score from the D2 playoffs between a couple of Lone Star state teams was worth mentioning:

Abilene Christian   93
West Texas A&M  68

Yikes!

I had to check that that wasn't a basketball score.  How can you possibly score that many points without pulling the defense?  Amazing.  Were they both trying to throw the game?

-Ski
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on November 23, 2008, 06:53:06 PM
ski

the bport/hartwick ecac game yesterday ended 70-68 in regulation
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Teamski on November 23, 2008, 08:40:50 PM
Quote from: PA_wesleyfan on November 23, 2008, 06:53:06 PM
ski

the bport/hartwick ecac game yesterday ended 70-68 in regulation

Crazy!!! :o

-Ski
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 23, 2008, 09:46:51 PM
Between the d2 game and the ECAC game, I wonder if there has ever been a day in football where two teams scored 68 - and lost?! :o
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: AO on November 24, 2008, 02:24:45 AM
Northwestern beat Malone (NAIA) in the Victory Bowl Friday night.  a pretty high scoring affair (49-45) to add to the other games played without defense as a primary concern.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: AF4 on November 24, 2008, 10:17:26 AM
AO

Congrats on the win... great job...great season

how many people were at the metrodome ?

keep the faith
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 30, 2008, 11:30:39 PM
Can any of you guys come up with a final tally for 2008 on d3 vs ...?  (I'm way too hazy on who is in which division to attempt it.)
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on December 02, 2008, 12:25:22 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 30, 2008, 11:30:39 PM
Can any of you guys come up with a final tally for 2008 on d3 vs ...?  (I'm way too hazy on who is in which division to attempt it.)

If not sooner, I will do it in the YIR.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: doolittledog on December 31, 2008, 11:30:56 AM
Found this on another board.  It doesn't have who beat who...but it does have totals.  Not sure of its accuracy either. 

Matchup          W -  L
-----------------------
FBS vs FCS:     85 -  2
FCS vs D2:      53 -  8
FCS vs D3:       5 -  4
FCS vs. NAIA:   30 -  3
D2 vs. D3:       6 -  4
D2 vs. NAIA:    37 - 14
D3 vs. NAIA:    30 - 14
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on January 08, 2009, 04:58:03 PM
Quote from: K-Mack on December 02, 2008, 12:25:22 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 30, 2008, 11:30:39 PM
Can any of you guys come up with a final tally for 2008 on d3 vs ...?  (I'm way too hazy on who is in which division to attempt it.)

If not sooner, I will do it in the YIR.

Realized late last night I didn't do this. Oops.

I think we get the point though!

Good look on the above post doolittle. It's probably pretty close.
Title: Division 3 football Simulation
Post by: National Sports Rankings on July 24, 2009, 03:30:18 PM
I've just updated 2008 teams to give them their own "identity". About 95% of all teams now have accurate yardage stats that reflect their style of play. Offensive players and custom stats have been added. Users can add the names to the defense if they'd like.

I've also added defensive touchdowns, and special teams scores as well.

Here's a sample game from D3 2008

http://nationalsportsrankings.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_oneonone&magic=1007

I'll add 2009 teams after 3-4 games are played.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on September 09, 2009, 02:53:42 AM
Week 1's results below.

I'll clean up the tally a little later on down the line. This is just the raw data for ATN and my reference and anyone else's (i.e. Ralph's)

vs. Division I, FCS (4-5 in 2008)
Albion at Butler (non-scholarship Pioneer League) L 42-3
Methodist at Campbell (non-scholarship Pioneer League) L 48-28

vs. Division II (4-6 in 2008)
Curry at Bentley (Northeast-10) L 43-17
Assumption (Northeast-10) at Worcester State L 51-16
Plymouth State at St. Anselm (Northeast-10) L 41-35, OT
Pace (Northeast-10) at Salisbury W 34-14
Sul Ross State at Western New Mexico (Rocky Mountain Athletic Conference) L 48-33


Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 09, 2009, 06:30:39 AM
Quote from: K-Mack on September 09, 2009, 02:53:42 AM
Week 1's results below.

I'll clean up the tally a little later on down the line. This is just the raw data for ATN and my reference and anyone else's (i.e. Ralph's)

vs. Division I, FCS (4-5 in 2008)
Albion at Butler (non-scholarship Pioneer League) L 42-3
Methodist at Campbell (non-scholarship Pioneer League) L 48-28

vs. Division II (4-6 in 2008)
Curry at Bentley (Northeast-10) L 43-17
Assumption (Northeast-10) at Worcester State L 51-16
Plymouth State at St. Anselm (Northeast-10) L 41-35, OT
Pace (Northeast-10) at Salisbury W 34-14
Sul Ross State at Western New Mexico (Rocky Mountain Athletic Conference) L 48-33

Thanks!

You da man!  :)
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on September 15, 2009, 03:04:29 PM
Week 2

vs. Division I, FCS (4-5 in 2008; 0-2 in Week 1)
Butler (non-scholarship Pioneer League) at No. 19 Franklin L 49-19
Campbell (Pioneer) at Birmingham-Southern W 35-28, OT
Valparaiso (Pioneer) at Concordia (Wis.) L 20-17
Wagner (Northeast Conference) at SUNY-Maritime L 41-10

vs. Division II (4-6 in 2008; 1-4 in Week 1)
No. 9 Wesley at North Greenville (independent) W 28-3
Husson at Merrimack (Northeast-10) L 23-0

I'm pretty sure that's 5-1 for the NE-10 vs. Division III ... only Salisbury over Pace keeps it from being a whitewash. Different school each time too.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on September 24, 2009, 08:34:38 AM
Week 3

<img src="/images/bullet.gif" hspace="3"> vs. Division I, FCS (1-3 in Week 2; 1-5 in 2009)
Hanover at Butler (non-scholarship Pioneer League) L 42-21

<img src="/images/bullet.gif" hspace="3"> vs. Division II (1-1 in Week 2; 2-5 in 2009)
No. 17 UW-Stevens Point at Missouri S&T (Great Lakes Football Conference) W 21-17
Humboldt State (Great Northwest Athletic Conference) at Menlo L 44-16
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: retagent on September 26, 2009, 10:11:56 PM
Carthage beat D I, FCS<, Valparaiso today.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on September 29, 2009, 01:11:17 PM
They sure did!

Week 4
vs. Division I, FCS (0-1 in Week 3; 1-6 in 2009)
Carthage at Valparaiso (non-scholarship Pioneer League) W 34-24

vs. Division II (1-1 in Week 3; 3-6 in 2009)
Missouri S&T (Great Lakes Football Conference) at No. 24 UW-La Crosse W 48-0
Albright at Pace (Northeast-10) W 26-20
Lake Erie (independent) at Adrian L 29-28, OT

Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: The Forgotten Man on October 04, 2009, 07:48:42 PM
LaGrange College beat DII Lincoln University (Jefferson City, MO) 20-7 yesterday.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on October 07, 2009, 04:34:14 AM
Quote from: The Forgotten Man on October 04, 2009, 07:48:42 PM
LaGrange College beat DII Lincoln University (Jefferson City, MO) 20-7 yesterday.

Have some!

<img src="/images/bullet.gif" hspace="3"> vs. Division I, FCS (1-0 in Week 4; 2-6 in 2009)
None

<img src="/images/bullet.gif" hspace="3"> vs. Division II (2-1 in Week 4; 5-7 in 2009)
LaGrange at Lincoln, Mo. (Great Lakes Football Conference) W 20-7

Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 07, 2009, 12:53:47 PM
One for this week (sure there are more) - Texas Lutheran at Incarnate Word (D2).  Not going to be pretty for TLU even tho it's UIW's first year.  

game is next week, sorry.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on October 21, 2009, 06:07:07 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 07, 2009, 12:53:47 PM
One for this week (sure there are more) - Texas Lutheran at Incarnate Word (D2).  Not going to be pretty for TLU even tho it's UIW's first year.  

game is next week, sorry.

You had it right though.

vs. Division II, week 7

Salisbury at Lake Erie (independent) L 28-7
Texas Lutheran at Incarnate Word (independent) L 53-18

(none vs. I-AA)
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: laz on November 03, 2009, 07:42:35 PM
Might want to check this out.
Paul Kislanko keeps track of all interdivisional contests as well as many, many other interesting stats:

http://football.kislanko.com/2009/intermat.html
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on September 08, 2010, 05:53:40 AM
2010

D-III vs. Division I, FCS (2-6 in 2009)
Butler (non-scholarship Pioneer League) 29, at Albion 13

D-III vs. Division II (7-12 in 2009)
Stonehill (Northeast-10) 20, at Curry 14
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on September 15, 2010, 09:57:03 AM
Week Deux

vs. Division I, FCS (0-1 in Week 1)
Valparaiso (non-scholarship Pioneer League) 7, at Franklin 42

vs. Division II (0-1 in Week 1)
Western New Mexico (Rocky Mountain Athletic Conference) 35, at Sul Ross State 32

The Griz giving us an FCS win!
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 16, 2010, 09:39:51 AM
How about this score from Week #1...

Sul Ross 36, Monterrey Tech 23 (http://ttp://www.sulross.edu/pages/6220.asp?ssid=3682&eid=3683#)
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 19, 2010, 10:56:43 PM
Week #3

UW-Stevens Point 29, Missouri S&T 10

Corrections appreciated.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 19, 2010, 11:13:29 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 16, 2010, 09:39:51 AM
How about this score from Week #1...

Sul Ross 36, Monterrey Tech 23 (http://ttp://www.sulross.edu/pages/6220.asp?ssid=3682&eid=3683#)

Well, that's certainly an "other" but we wouldn't really count games that the NCAA doesn't count.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on December 10, 2012, 08:37:32 PM
Page 3 of the D-III vs. high school team thread (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=7841.30) begins to tread on the territory discussed in this thread, so for historical purposes, if you're reading here, you might also want to check there.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Hawks88 on January 11, 2013, 11:19:37 PM
One of my Crimson Tide fan friends posted an image on Facebook today that someone created that said "61 Wins 5 Years, The most in college football history." Had to rain on their parade and tell them that was wrong. Mount Union won 72 the last 5 years. Probably get un-friended for that. Heh heh.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: HSCTiger74 on January 11, 2013, 11:36:14 PM
Quote from: Hawks88 on January 11, 2013, 11:19:37 PM
One of my Crimson Tide fan friends posted an image on Facebook today that someone created that said "61 Wins 5 Years, The most in college football history." Had to rain on their parade and tell them that was wrong. Mount Union won 72 the last 5 years. Probably get un-friended for that. Heh heh.

Nah; they'll just claim they meant "real" college football and insist that Bama still holds the record.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 12, 2013, 12:31:35 PM
Quote from: Hawks88 on January 11, 2013, 11:19:37 PM
One of my Crimson Tide fan friends posted an image on Facebook today that someone created that said "61 Wins 5 Years, The most in college football history." Had to rain on their parade and tell them that was wrong. Mount Union won 72 the last 5 years. Probably get un-friended for that. Heh heh.
+1!

UWW won 65 in the last 5 and won 72 from 2007-2011.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: frank uible on January 12, 2013, 05:04:34 PM
NAIA, d3, d2 and d1aa are frequently overlooked (intentionally or not but in any event carelessly) by d1a fans and other d1a advocates when they consider various college football records.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: mattvsmith on January 13, 2013, 12:35:19 AM
I get kind of ticked by people who think D3 is not "real college football". I think they have their categories bassackwards.

To me, "real college football" means a kid earns acceptance into college by having the grades, test scores, activities, and character that his school is looking for, and he plays football.

So D1AA, schools like Fordham, Colgate, the Ivy League seem to me to have genuine scholar athletes. But a school like Alabama? That's not a college sport; that is professional football, a farm team for the NFL.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: frank uible on January 13, 2013, 02:21:05 AM
Rev, you've got it, but the vast majority of fans have no interest in changing their current attitude.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on January 14, 2013, 07:07:44 AM
Quote from: Rt Rev J.H. Hobart on January 13, 2013, 12:35:19 AM
I get kind of ticked by people who think D3 is not "real college football". I think they have their categories bassackwards.

To me, "real college football" means a kid earns acceptance into college by having the grades, test scores, activities, and character that his school is looking for, and he plays football.

So D1AA, schools like Fordham, Colgate, the Ivy League seem to me to have genuine scholar athletes. But a school like Alabama? That's not a college sport; that is professional football, a farm team for the NFL.

Agreed.

I have tons of respect for the players in Division I programs' TALENT and their work ethic when it comes to football, and I acknowledge that many of them are also fine students. However, I concur with Rev's statement that it'd be nice if college football players at large were true representatives of their school, as the vast majority of Division III players are.
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: Knightstalker on January 14, 2013, 11:21:07 AM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on January 14, 2013, 07:07:44 AM
Quote from: Rt Rev J.H. Hobart on January 13, 2013, 12:35:19 AM
I get kind of ticked by people who think D3 is not "real college football". I think they have their categories bassackwards.

To me, "real college football" means a kid earns acceptance into college by having the grades, test scores, activities, and character that his school is looking for, and he plays football.

So D1AA, schools like Fordham, Colgate, the Ivy League seem to me to have genuine scholar athletes. But a school like Alabama? That's not a college sport; that is professional football, a farm team for the NFL.

Agreed.

I have tons of respect for the players in Division I programs' TALENT and their work ethic when it comes to football, and I acknowledge that many of them are also fine students. However, I concur with Rev's statement that it'd be nice if college football players at large were true representatives of their school, as the vast majority of Division III players are.

I believe that the majority of D-I football players are true representitives of their schools.  For each kid that leaves early for the NFL or gets into trouble with the school or law how many stay for their four years, go to class, and how many stay for that fifth year of eligibility due to a redshirt year and enroll in grad classes to stay with the team?
Title: Re: D3 vs. D1-AA, D2 and others
Post by: K-Mack on February 14, 2013, 07:46:46 PM
Quote from: frank uible on January 12, 2013, 05:04:34 PM
NAIA, d3, d2 and d1aa are frequently overlooked (intentionally or not but in any event carelessly) by d1a fans and other d1a advocates when they consider various college football records.

Speaking as a copy editor, at both USA Today and Washington Post, the rule is to refer to Division I-A records and not college football records, unless they actually are college football records.

Broadcasters, IMO, are the worst offenders of using phrases like "in all of college football" but I stand up for it whenever I can.