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Title: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 29, 2005, 12:08:01 AM
Alrighty, I'm going to let loose the hounds on another sport. There will not be editorial coverage of baseball per se, but you can talk about it here.

E-mail me or Ralph Turner if you want to have a board for your conference.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 29, 2005, 12:29:10 AM
Thanks, Pat.  I will try to do the best job that I can moderating the ASC baseball board.

I will try to keep up with the ASC press releases and encourage other fans to post links to local features, game stories and box scores.  The ASC has not posted the 2006 schedules yet.  The first games in 2005 were the first Friday in February.

We seem to be the first board created for this purpose.  What an honor for the ASC!

Hyperlinks to the ASC Baseball web pages:

ASC -- http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/m-baseball/sporthome.htm

East Division

AC -- http://www.austincollege.edu/Category.asp?762

ETBU -- http://www.etbu.edu/Current+Athletic+News/Baseball/default.htm

LeTU -- http://www.letu.edu/opencms/opencms/_Student-Life/athletics/YellowJackets/Baseball/index.html

LC -- http://www.lacollege.edu/athletics/baseball/index.html

MC -- http://www.mc.edu/athletics/baseball/index.html

Ozarks -- http://www.ozarks.edu/athletics/baseball/default.asp

UT-D -- http://cometsports.utdallas.edu/BASE/BASEMAIN.htm

UT-T -- http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/baseball/


ASC-West

CUA -- http://athletics.concordia.edu/athletics.cfm?page_ID=3

HSU -- http://hsuathletics.collegesports.com/sports/m-basebl/hsim-m-basebl-body.html

HPU -- http://www.hputx.edu/howardpayne.aspx?pgID=1572

UMHB -- http://www.umhb.edu/sportsinfo/cbaseball/default.htm

McM -- http://www.mcm.edu/sports/baseball/baseball.htm

Schreiner -- http://athletics.schreiner.edu/Baseball/default.htm

SRSU -- http://www.sulross.edu/pages/4449.asp

TLU -- http://www.tlu.edu/athletics/baseball/

Corrections appreciated.

"PLAY BALL" :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Tezbaseball on December 29, 2005, 12:09:57 PM
Thanks for the baseball
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 29, 2005, 12:25:09 PM
Sure thing. If you think you can drum up enough interest to sustain a NWC baseball board, let me know. We can create one closer to opening day.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: earlhamalum on December 29, 2005, 01:45:40 PM
Gotta love D3 Baseball!!!!  I'm Representing the NCAC... It's hard to go for Earlham Baseball because they have not been to good over the years..

But I know a little bit about OWU Baseball, Wittenberg, and Wabash.. LITTLE TO COLD to talk about baseball during baseketball season!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: earlhamalum on December 29, 2005, 01:47:26 PM
nice photo Tez18
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Tezbaseball on December 29, 2005, 09:43:31 PM
Quote from: earlhamalum on December 29, 2005, 01:47:26 PM
nice photo Tez18

Thanks. It's never to cold for baseball
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: LC-DBO on January 09, 2006, 10:48:15 PM
I am ready for some ASC Baseball especially watching those LC Wildcats. They have some depth on the pitcher's mound this year. They are also getting 5th year senior Scott Sumner back along with 6 or 7 starters. Can't wait to see them in action!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 09, 2006, 11:19:18 PM
ASC Baseball site is not "up-and-running" yet!

McMurry has released its 2006 schedule!  I count 39 games.

We start with a weekend series against Chapman, a critical West Region series!  They also play a home-and-away series with Southwestern.

http://www.mcm.edu/sports/baseball/schedule.htm

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 11, 2006, 07:46:10 PM
I just noticed the baseball board today...Ralph do you think we'll get enough interest to do a pick'em this year?  i enjoyed it a couple yrs ago but last year we just didn't get enough people wanting to jump in.

HPU has about 40 players in the program at the moment...should be interesting to see who makes their mark on the team this year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 11, 2006, 10:45:29 PM
dballa, if you want to do the ASC Pick'em, please do it.  I will have my plate full moderating the Baseball Message Boards.

I will play if someone wants to do the ASC pick'em board.

I would suggest that you limit it to the Saturday DH.  If you want to try more games, feel free!

If we get enough interest, we can even start a Pick'em board!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 12, 2006, 10:48:20 AM
Ok I'll see what I can do.  Hopefully we can get enough interest to make it more than a 2 or 3 person pick'em.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Olinemom on January 14, 2006, 01:26:57 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 09, 2006, 11:19:18 PM
ASC Baseball site is not "up-and-running" yet!

McMurry has released its 2006 schedule!  I count 39 games.

We start with a weekend series against Chapman, a critical West Region series!  They also play a home-and-away series with Southwestern.

http://www.mcm.edu/sports/baseball/schedule.htm
We started with them last year on our trip to California.  They are reaaaaaaaaaaally good.  Can they ever hit the ball.  Good luck and have a great season!!


Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Tezbaseball on January 22, 2006, 12:28:19 AM
Interesting site. You can see by where a MLB player went to school.

http://baseballreference.com/schools/
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 10:13:08 AM
ASC Pre-season Poll

EAST DIVISION Pts. 2005 Records  (First place votes in parentheses.)

1 Texas-Tyler (11) &         122 30-7, 16-5 ASC
2 Mississippi College (1)     102 23-18, 11-10 ASC
3 Texas-Dallas (2)              96 22-21, 11-10 ASC
4 Louisiana College (3)        94 20-16, 13-8 ASC
5 East Texas Baptist          85 34-11, 14-7 ASC
6 Univ. of the Ozarks         51 22-18, 8-13 ASC
7 LeTourneau                    32 13-22, 6-15 ASC
8 Austin College                 27 10-25, 5-16 ASC

& UT-Tyler is a 3rd-year Provisional member in the NCAA.  As a provisional member, they are not eligible for the ASC Championship or the NCAA tourney.  They are only eligible for the ASC-East title.

WEST DIVISION Pts. 2005 Records

1 Texas Lutheran (14)         146 35-10, 17-4 ASC
2 McMurry (4)                    129 27-19, 13-7 ASC
3 Concordia-Austin              106 22-14, 14-7 ASC
4 Hardin-Simmons (1)          103 28-19, 15-5 ASC
5 Mary Hardin-Baylor           68 15-25, 9-12 ASC
6 Howard Payne                  58 11-27, 5-16 ASC
7 Schreiner                          45 13-27, 5-16 ASC
8 Sul Ross State                  29 7-29, 5-16 ASC

Voted within each Division by institution's head coach, sports information director and selected media.

http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/media0506/60126baseball-ascpreseasonpoll.htm

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 05, 2006, 05:20:57 PM
UT-PB swept Schreiner 9-2,16-13 and 15-5 in a weekend series.

http://athletics.schreiner.edu/Baseball/default.htm
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on February 07, 2006, 11:42:20 AM
Holy crap Concordia, did you forget to recruit any pitching or are you just that bad?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 11, 2006, 08:42:33 PM
I thought we were in the South Region? Did we move out West :)

HPU beat Trinity 4-3 in the first game of a DH and Trinity won the 2nd 16-3
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 11, 2006, 09:32:08 PM
Good win, dballa!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 11, 2006, 09:38:44 PM
Ralph I wasn't able to check out the games today since I was in Abilene watching HPU.  I don't know what happened in that 2nd game, obviously there is a large difference between the pitchers who played in the 1st game and the ones who played in the 2nd.

Any other teams playing today?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 11, 2006, 10:00:16 PM
HPU looked good in the first win. The second game was another story, the pitcher who pitched the second game also played 3b in the first game. Not sure if that wore him out or if he just didn't have his stuff. Very young team this year, should continue to get better throughout the year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2006, 02:20:13 PM
McM lost to 2005 Defending NCAA West Region Champion Chapman 8-1.  Dickerhoff, an Ira TX native and JC transfer from Garden City JC, KS, started for McMurry.

The second game was stopped with rain in the top of the 4th.  They play the 3rd game in the series to follow.

http://www1.chapman.edu/athletics/05-06/baseball/mcm-cu1.htm
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2006, 09:38:14 PM
McM won the Chapman series 2 games to 1.

http://www1.chapman.edu/athletics/05-06/baseball/teamstat.htm#MCM-CU2

Erickson and Casey pick up the wins in today's games.

Chapman was the defending West Region Champion.  Big Poppa posted on the West Region Independents board that the #2 and #3 pitchers for Chapman maybe suspect.

Great road trip, McM!   :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on February 19, 2006, 07:42:12 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2006, 09:38:14 PM
McM won the Chapman series 2 games to 1.

http://www1.chapman.edu/athletics/05-06/baseball/teamstat.htm#MCM-CU2

Erickson and Casey pick up the wins in today's games.

Chapman was the defending West Region Champion.  Big Poppa posted on the West Region Independents board that the #2 and #3 pitchers for Chapman maybe suspect.

Great road trip, McM!   :)

I think we can see that McMurry may be one of the best teams in the West region... they took two from #4 Chapman on the weekend, who in my mind is overrated. A 4.56 team ERA for Chapman is way above their usual team ERA which has hovered around 2.00 the last few years.

McMurry faced down a giant this weekend and never blinked. Congrats on a well played series.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: historymajor on February 21, 2006, 05:57:28 PM
Trinity defeats UMHB at Belton this afternoon 6-1....  more details when available
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: historymajor on February 22, 2006, 06:55:21 AM
http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/Baseball/022106.htm
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 22, 2006, 01:43:27 PM
HPU lost 2 to William Jewell this weekend, not sure of the score but wasn't too close.

Feb 21st HPU beat Univ of Dallas 6-5.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2006, 01:00:12 AM
McM LeTU rained out. DH tomorrow!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2006, 04:08:32 PM
McM defeated Wayland Baptist (Sooner AC; NAIA) 9-8 on a 10th inning walk-off HR by Greg Erickson  (my bad) Craig Richardson, who had 3 solo shots.

http://www.mcm.edu/athletics/022806.htm

McM is now (6-1).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on March 01, 2006, 04:33:14 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2006, 04:08:32 PM
McM defeated Wayland Baptist (Sooner AC; NAIA) 9-8 on a 10th inning walk-off HR by Greg Erickson.

McM is now (6-1).

McMurry is off to a hot start with their only loss coming to #4 ranked Chapman, a team they also defeated twice. This could make for a very competitive West Regional if Chapman, McMurry and George Fox all play to their abilities, then you mix in the SCIAC champion and you are looking at a top-notch regional.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2006, 10:34:45 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on March 01, 2006, 04:33:14 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2006, 04:08:32 PM
McM defeated Wayland Baptist (Sooner AC; NAIA) 9-8 on a 10th inning walk-off HR by Greg Erickson.

McM is now (6-1).

McMurry is off to a hot start with their only loss coming to #4 ranked Chapman, a team they also defeated twice. This could make for a very competitive West Regional if Chapman, McMurry and George Fox all play to their abilities, then you mix in the SCIAC champion and you are looking at a top-notch regional.

Big Poppa, don't forget Texas Lutheran, the pre-season pick in the West and then there is the 8 team playoff just to get the Pool A bid.

The ASC season should be excellent! ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on March 02, 2006, 11:13:20 AM
Texas Lutheran is a great program... they got hosed a few years ago when they went 31-3 and did not get an NCAA bid. It seems like the TX schools only get one team in every year. They need to have an 8-team West Region to get a few more deserving teams in.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2006, 10:03:51 PM
Big Poppa, the ASC has a conference tourney matching the top 4 from each division.  The conference added the extra 4 teams in 2005, so we could push the tourney later into May.

However, we beat ourselves up.  There are too few Pool C bids for us to get one, so we have plenty of good teams (maybe not great ones) sitting home.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on March 03, 2006, 04:23:24 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2006, 10:03:51 PM
Big Poppa, the ASC has a conference tourney matching the top 4 from each division.  The conference added the extra 4 teams in 2005, so we could push the tourney later into May.

However, we beat ourselves up.  There are too few Pool C bids for us to get one, so we have plenty of good teams (maybe not great ones) sitting home.

I agree... great conference tend to pound one another and take too many losses. It kills them at selection time when they are going head to head with a school that is 35-4 in a terrible conference and never beat anybody. I would love to see the tourney expand even more than it it now. I think tha=ey are having a few more teams this season, but there will always be someone deserving left out. I guess the key is to win your automatic bid and let the others deal with the selection process.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2006, 12:07:30 AM
http://www.lacollege.edu/athletics/baseball/stats_05-06/teamstat.htm

LaCollege has taken 2 out of 3 from both McMurry and UMHB.

Erickson is still strong as a pitcher for McMurry.  McM's Dickerhof has lost to LC.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 06, 2006, 01:04:37 PM
HPU swept Univ of Ozarks this weekend.  Not sure if it was just a good showing by HPU or Ozarks isn't very good this year.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2006, 03:51:16 PM
McM defeated SRSU 28-0 in the first game on Friday night.

They lead the Lobos 7-0 going to the top of the 7th.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2006, 03:53:14 PM
Greg Erickson shuts out the Lobos, 9-0.

Erickson gets the 7-inning complete game, 3-hit shutout and moves to 4-0 on the season.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2006, 05:49:56 PM
Going to the top of the 7th, McM 6-0 over the Lobos!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2006, 06:28:28 PM
Final Score from historic Kokernot Field,

McMurry 7, Sul Ross 0.

Eric Dickerhoff gets the 3-hit, 9-inning complete game shutout.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 10:28:16 PM
HPU swept UMHB 12-7, 11-3, 12-9
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on March 12, 2006, 01:09:23 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2006, 03:51:16 PM
McM defeated SRSU 28-0 in the first game on Friday night.

They lead the Lobos 7-0 going to the top of the 7th.

WOW!!!!

Ralph.. looks like McMurry is the real deal this year, huh?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2006, 01:36:52 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on March 12, 2006, 01:09:23 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2006, 03:51:16 PM
McM defeated SRSU 28-0 in the first game on Friday night.

They lead the Lobos 7-0 going to the top of the 7th.

WOW!!!!

Ralph.. looks like McMurry is the real deal this year, huh?

Big Poppa, there are 3 really big series that are occurring early in the West.

HSU managed to get a win on the road against Texas Lutheran.  McMurry and HSU play next weekend.  McMurry then goes to TLU the following weekend.

HSU Baseball site (http://hsuathletics.collegesports.com/sports/m-basebl/stats/2005-2006/teamstat.html)

The strongest team on the East is 3rd-year Provisional UT-Tyler, which is ineligible for the playoffs until 2007-08.  However results against UT-Tyler do count in the Regional Records.

IMHO, McMurry needs more stability in the pitching staff.  I feel very good about Greg Erickson.  Hank Casey had a good game on Friday night, and Eric Dickerhoff may have had his best game yet on Saturday.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on March 12, 2006, 02:26:53 PM
Thanks for the info Ralph. It's great to have impartial(and knowledgeable) eyes in the Texas area. I enjoy the fact that you do not see things through maroon-colored glasses.

The West Region is turning out to be wide open... Chapman, McMurry, Teaxas Lutheran, Trinity, George Fox all look to have strong teams.
The SCIAC right now is topsy-turvy with Redlands out front and the two favorites, Cal Lutheran and Laverne struggling to get conference wins. It is shaping up to be quite the season and it has not really got rolling yet.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2006, 02:29:53 PM
UT-Dallas and ETBU also have good teams.  HSU lost to UT-Dallas in a midweek game this week.  These are the standings thru Wed March 9, 2006.

http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/pdffiles/standings-baseball-2006.pdf

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2006, 02:41:19 PM
We have some great games this week.

Here are the better games on Monday and Tuesday.

Monday

Franklin and Marshall at TLU

Southwestern at McMurry--big in-region game and McMurry is coming off a series on Friday and Saturday.  Fortunately, McMurry only used 4 pitchers.  I want to see how Coach Driggers handles an important in-region game against Southwestern on Monday and the game against Marietta on Tuesday.

Tuesday

F&M at UMHB
Marietta at McMurry
Southwestern at HSU
Trinity at Concordia-Austin
UW-Stout at TLU

McMurry and HSU have to figure how to use their bullpens because they have their series on Friday and Saturday...really big games!

The HSU/McM series will be great baseball! ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on March 12, 2006, 02:53:05 PM
Ralph.... the conference has 16 teams... do they still only get one NCAA bid? If so, it needs to be addressed. Most conferences have only 8 teams and get a bid... the American Southwest Conference should be allowed two bids or be given VERY strong consideration for a Pool C bid after the champion is crowned.

I would bet that their second place team would win most D3 conferences in the nation.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2006, 03:40:48 PM
Big Poppa, yes, we get only one bid.  In 2006-07, the West will have 8 full members, but the ASC-East will only have 6 full members as UT-Tyler is 4th year provisional and Austin College leaves for the SCAC.

The ASC-East would not qualify as Pool A.

Imagine you are an AD or the Commisioner. The make-up in 2007-08 looks like this, when the West has 8 full members and the East has 7.

Full AQ membership qualifiers... 3 & 3 team sports, men & women, west & east.

Women's Soccer --  7 West and 7 East

Men's Soccer -- 7 West and 7 East

Women's Hoops -- 8 West and 7 East

Men's Hoops -- 8 West and 7 East

Softball -- 7 West and 7 East

Baseball -- 8 West and 7 East

Here is where the numbers fall short.  As I understand the requirements, a conference needs 5 sports for men and women.

Football 9 teams in one conference.  (6 in the West, 3 in the East.)

Volleyball -- 8 West and 5 East.

Women's XC -- 3 West and 5 East. (Neither a conference.)

Women's Tennis -- 8 West and 6 East (A Conference but no AQ.)

Men's Tennis --  8 West and 5 East

Women's Golf -- 4 West and 2 East (neither are a conference).

Men's Golf -- 4 West and 4 East (neither are a conference).

Women's Outdoor T&F -- 4 West and 1 East  (neither are a conference).

Men's Outdoor T&F -- 3 West and 1 East  (neither are a conference).

The debate is whether to place oneself in a tenuous positon if a school did not "make" in a sport and the conference fell below the requirements to make.

Pertinent history in the conference includes the fact that UDallas left the conference to become an independent in 2001.  Texas Weselyan University in Ft Worth went from D2 in 2000-01 thru the ASC in 2001-02 onto the NAIA Divsion I Red River AC in 2002-03.  Austin College is leaving this year.  If the rumors of a new southern super-conference plucked a Mississippi College and/or a Louisiana College, then the East would be doomed.

I hate that we are forfeiting Pool A bids, but I can understand the caution.  An aggressive integrated management by 2 separate conferences would be needed to make it work, but everyone would need to be on the same page.  The vulnerability would come when one single president changes the focus on the role of student-athletics in her/his school and leaves the conference.  That leaves everyone else scrambling.  With an excess of members, that reduces the risk of that scenario.  As I have looked at the other NAIA candidates to join D3, I don't see any prospects!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on March 12, 2006, 04:19:07 PM
Ralph... sound like a very tumultuous postition to be in. I can clearly see the potential problem due to the conference instability and East/West balance. The sad thing is that the student-athletes are the ones who are getting the short end of the stick in ALL sports. I would bet that the NCAA also looks at that situation when making consideration for Pool C bids... or Pool A bids for non-qualifying sports.

Do any of those schools get lumped into the Pool B(independents) or are they only considered for Pool C bids?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2006, 04:49:07 PM
Big Poppa, all teams are in the A/C Pools.  I don't think that the conference is looked at any differently than the SCIAC or the NWC.

In Football, HSU lost its first 2 QB's. The extra loss probably made the difference in Pool C.  HPU had an early loss to ETBU which knocked them out of the Pool A bid.

The decision by UDallas to leave may have helped them get some Pool B bids in the last 5 years in Baseball, women's soccer, and men's basketball in 2004.  However, Pool B is much trickier in this part of the country, just trying to get a decent schedule.

I honestly cannot recommend any other option than the ASC.  If the presidents thought splitting would be the option, I am certain they would do it.  Also, I cannot figure any other candidates to move to D3 from D2 or the NAIA.

Practically speaking, the NCAA's begin with the ASC Post-season tourney.  With the isolated geography, the East and West would be first round opponents anyway in the NCAA, for "geographic" proximity.

I think that the Division Championship should be emphasized even more!  It is the equivalence of a Conference championship in other parts of the country.

I want East and West to split, but only to evolve into 2 conferences that live symbiotically as they are now as divisions.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on March 12, 2006, 05:01:54 PM
I think two conferences would be ideal for the ASC. You are correct on the isolated geography... I cannot imagine trying to get games against anyone other than those in the conference or traveling to another part of the country(McMurry flying to CA to play Chapman).

I was recently checking the McMurry webpage.... what a amazing facility for baseball. Looks very similar to many minor league set-ups. How do the other facilities in the ASC compare to McMurry's? I have been to Concordia-Austin to coach and they have a nice little set-up there as well... as long as the freeway hanging over left field does not bother you.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2006, 05:14:37 PM
Concordia-Austin is getting a "whole new" campus somewhere else, supposedly Round Rock.

Kokernot Field at Sul Ross may be the most historic.

Please google Kokernot Field.

HOF'er Gaylord Perry and Detroit Tiger Norm Cash both played there.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on March 12, 2006, 07:26:30 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2006, 05:14:37 PM
Concordia-Austin is getting a "whole new" campus somewhere else, supposedly Round Rock.

Kokernot Field at Sul Ross may be the most historic.

Please google Kokernot Field.

HOF'er Gaylord Perry and Detroit Tiger Norm Cash both played there.


Kokernot Field is beautiful... I wish more colleges would keep the traditional stadiums and not simply build the cookie cutter fields we see across the nation's campuses today. I think too many schools get caught up in the potential revenue created from larger staduims and forget about the historical aspects of smaller parks. I know this is not too big of an issue in D3, but many D1s are going that way.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2006, 07:01:02 PM
McMurry and Hardin-Simmons are hosting the Abilene Classis this Monday - Wednesday.

Featured D3 schools include McMurry, HSU, Southwestern, UT-Dallas, Neb Wesleyan and D3 power Marietta OH.  NAIA schools include Friends KS and Southern Nazarene OK.

No results yet, but here is the  link (http://www.mcm.edu/sports/baseball/classic.htm).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on March 13, 2006, 07:14:39 PM
That should be a great week of baseball. Marietta always brings great teams to the table. It will be a good measuring stick for the Texas teams to see where they stand.

Keep us updated on the games, Ralph.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2006, 10:34:28 PM
McMurry defeated Southwestern 16-7 today.  No details yet.

http://www.southwestern.edu/athletics/ath-home.html

I don't know whom McMurry pitched.  This being a West Region game, i would think that Coach Driggers used a  better starter.

Who he will pitch tomorrow is another question?

The HSU series begins on Friday!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 14, 2006, 09:33:00 AM
McM's Andy McDougal pitched 7 strong innings in the win over Southwestern.  Brent Voorhees picked up the relief effort.

http://www.mcm.edu/sports/baseball/classic.htm
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on March 14, 2006, 10:39:28 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 14, 2006, 09:33:00 AM
McM's Andy McDougal pitched 7 strong innings in the win over Southwestern.  Brent Voorhees picked up the relief effort.

http://www.mcm.edu/sports/baseball/classic.htm

That's a big win for McMurry. Things should start to sort themsleves out in the next week or so.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 14, 2006, 06:44:03 PM
McMurry 11, Marietta 1.

http://www.mcm.edu/sports/baseball/mcmmar.htm

McMurry moves to 12-4, Marietta 2-4.

Clint Johnston gets his first win of the year in his first start.  Eric Dickerhoff got one inning of off-day work.

This still has to be considered "spring training" for Marietta, which used 4 pitchers.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on March 14, 2006, 07:23:47 PM
Spring training or not... it is a quality win for McMurry.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 15, 2006, 01:23:33 AM
McMurry-Marietta (http://www.reporternews.com/abil/sp_lc_mcmurry_univ/article/0,1874,ABIL_8787_4542532,00.html) write-up in Abilene Reporter-News.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 15, 2006, 11:02:52 PM
McM 11 Neb Wes 3

I like the response that Coach Driggers got from the Deep Bench, three runs out of Burriss and Lee.

http://www.mcm.edu/sports/baseball/mcmnwu.htm

Here are the scores from the McMurry side of the bracket.

http://www.mcm.edu/sports/baseball/classic.htm
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 15, 2006, 11:07:23 PM
Marietta 10, HSU 7.  Gametracker hyperlink is below.

http://livestats.hsuathletics.collegesports.com/livestats/data/m-basebl/422360/gt_index.html
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 17, 2006, 10:33:12 PM
Due to inclement weather, McMurry-HSU is postponed to Sunday (DH) and Monday aft.

(More rest for the pitchers, too.)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 21, 2006, 01:23:17 AM
Aw, shucks!  :(

HSU won the Tripleheader that was left over from the weekend.  The sun came out, but the 30 MPH west wind was blowing to left field.

The scores were 6-7, 13-9, and 7-5.  The Cowboys gave Greg Erickson his first loss of the season.

McMurry must re-group and go to Seguin for TLU this weekend.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 25, 2006, 12:27:56 AM
TLU 7, McM 5. 

http://www.tlu.edu/athletics/baseball/stats/2006/324tlmcm.htm

McMurry needs more pitching. 

TLU got to Dickerhoff in the 3rd.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 25, 2006, 07:36:49 PM
McMurry's Greg Erickson pitched a 4-hitter in a 5-1 win.

TLU's Daniel Besa one-hit McMurry in the nightcap 5-0.

TLU wins the series 2-1.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 28, 2006, 02:45:20 AM
I pundited the first baseball poll and Regional Polls on the milti-region board.

Comments invited. ;)

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4159.45
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 29, 2006, 07:04:29 PM
Tuesday's McMurry at Southwestern was postponed by rain.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 30, 2006, 09:34:03 PM
McMurry defeated Southwestern 12-2 today.

The Indians pitched a 7-member committee to notch the win over the Pirates and get the season series, 2 games to none.

McM plays UMHB in a 3-game series this weekend.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 31, 2006, 06:51:03 PM
McMurry took the opener at UMHB 6-4.  Dickerhoff got the win in middle relief after Johnson started the first 5.  Carrizales picked up the save.

http://www.umhb.edu/sportsinfo/cbaseball/033106-a.htm
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 01, 2006, 05:31:54 PM
McMurry wins the first of the DH 9-3.  Erickson goes 6 strong innings and Carrizales works the 7th.

http://www.umhb.edu/sportsinfo/cbaseball/Team_stats.htm#040106-A


McM's McDougal picks up the 5-1 win in the nightcap.  Carrizales pitched the 9th and got an HR.  Brent Voorhees had 2 HR's.

http://www.umhb.edu/sportsinfo/cbaseball/Team_stats.htm#040106-B

McMurry sweeps the series.

We await the CUA, TLU and HSU games to see the change in the standings.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 01, 2006, 06:59:44 PM
HSU sweeps the series with Schreiner and remains tied with McMurry for 3rd. 

http://hsuathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/hsim-m-basebl-body.html
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on April 01, 2006, 10:03:35 PM
TLU beat HPU in Friday's game 12-3

In Saturday's action the teams split with TLU winning the first 2-1.  HPU had a
1-0 lead into the last inning and had 2 errors to lose the game.  Doug Wren pitched a great game.

the 2nd game HPU won 10-4.  Colby Rowley pitched a complete game for HPU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 01, 2006, 10:05:10 PM
After losing 12-3 to TLU yesterday, HPU splits the DH today, losing 2-1 in the first, but winning 10-4 in the second.  This gives TLU a third loss, and they fall 2 losses behind CUA in the loss column.

Way to go Jackets!

http://www.hputx.edu/howardpayne.aspx?pgID=1603

You just beat me, dballa!   :D :D :D
I have been waiting all day for TLU to post the score, and HPU gets it up first!!! :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 01, 2006, 10:06:41 PM
CUA swept the SRSU series.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on April 01, 2006, 10:11:49 PM
well it was break time during the basketball game so i thought i would get on here and see what some scores were. 

I'm just glad HPU was able to come back and play well after losing that heartbreaking first game.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 01, 2006, 11:09:02 PM
dballa, when I looked at the Box Score for the second game, I realized that HPU got to Daniel Besa, the ASC-West POTY the previous week.  The throwing error by Matocha opened the flood gates, with Besa hitting Kunz and then Black.

That is a big win.  That keeps HPU in contention for the playoffs.

Congratulations, Jackets! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 01, 2006, 11:53:21 PM
CUA is now 9-1.  They have at HSU (3), host McMurry (3) and at UMHB (3).  The rained-out DH at TLU on the 18th is really helping them.  CUA is 12-5 in West Region games and have 10 games remaining including hosting Southwestern in a single game on Apr 4th.

TLU is 7-3.  They play at UMHB (3), host SRSU (3), and at Schreiner (3).  TLU is 11-6-1 in West Region Games and also play Trinity on April 18th.

HSU is 8-4.  They host CUA (3), are at SRSU (3) and host HPU (3).  HSU has the season tie-breaker on McMurry.  HSU is 11-7 in West Region games with 12 remaining (also Austin College, Southwestern and Trinity)

McM is 8-4.  They host Schreiner (3), are at CUA (3) and host HPU (3).  McMurry has 12 West Region games to go (including Trinity, UT-Dallas and Austin College).  Their West Region record is 16-7.  Congratulations to Coach Driggers for a really good West Region schedule.  If we get to the NCAA's by virtue of a Pool C bid, then his scheduling will have earned it.

I really wish that CUA make-up that canceled DH with TLU. :(
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on April 03, 2006, 06:26:51 PM
Ralph... how do you keep up with all of this... you seem to know almost everything about every team in the region... amazing!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on April 04, 2006, 10:00:26 AM
Good morning, ASC baseball fans!

Just a quick "head's up" to let all the players and parents of the Austin College and Mississippi College baseball programs that I'll be at Saturday's double header photographing on behalf of d3sports.com. 

Please stop by and say "hi" if you get a chance, and don't forget to check out the image galleries Sunday!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 04, 2006, 06:28:01 PM
Schreiner beats Trinity 4-3! (http://athletics.schreiner.edu/Baseball/default.htm)  Good win for the Mountaineers! :)

That also really helps the ASC teams when it comes to selections. :)

Trinity hosts McMurry tomorrow.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on April 04, 2006, 08:12:23 PM
HSU beats AC 4-2 in one 9 inning game today.

http://hsuathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/recaps/040406aaa.html
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 05, 2006, 04:52:34 PM
Trinity is leading McMurry 6-0 in the bottom of the 6th.

It appears that both teams went with 4th starters.

TU's Adam Frey has shut out McMurry in his 5th start of the season.

TU got to JR RHP Richard Burriss in his 3rd start of the season. :-\
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 05, 2006, 05:54:34 PM
Ouch! Final score:  Trinity 12, McMurry 0!  :-\
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on April 08, 2006, 09:10:24 PM
HPU swept SRSU 8-4, 11-1, 10-7
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 08, 2006, 11:50:09 PM
McMurry beat Schreiner yesterday 12-11, but split today 2-0 and 5-8.

Not enough pitching! :-\ :(
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 09, 2006, 02:12:19 AM
Of course, you can have pitching that is so good, that it gets noticed. :-\

Former McMurry pitcher Andrew Allar was ASC-West Freshman of the Year in 2002 and then had another good year in 2003.

He was given a scholarship to pitch for TCU.

Andrew Allar (http://gofrogs.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/mtt/allar_andrew00.html)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 09, 2006, 10:20:10 AM
CUA 9-5 over HSU on Friday night, but the Cowboys sweep Saturday's DH, 2-1, 6-3.

Partial Standings in the ASC West

CUA...........   10-3
HSU..........     10-5
McM..........     10-5
TLU...........     8-5
HPU..........      9-6


UMHB lost on Friday 4-3, but swept the DH against TLU 2-1 and 7-6.  Two weekends remain.

ASC Standings and Scores (http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/pdffiles/standings-baseball-2006.pdf)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 09, 2006, 05:30:05 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 08, 2006, 11:50:09 PM
McMurry beat Schreiner yesterday 12-11, but split today 2-0 and 5-8.

Not enough pitching! :-\ :(

I reviewed the box score.  Greg Erickson, who appears to be the ace of the staff, got the 7-inning shutout in the first game of the DH.  Erickson only faced 24 batters in the 7-inning game.   He had 11 SO's and gave up only one BB.   McM 2-0 (http://www.mcm.edu/sports/baseball/mcmsch2.htm)

In the nightcap (http://www.mcm.edu/sports/baseball/mcmsch3.htm),  the usually reliable Andy McDougal faced 3 batters in the 8th, and the usually reliable set-up man, Hank Casey could not put out the fire.  McDougal has been making the case for the #2 slot in the rotation.

The new rule of making only the first game of the DH a 7-inning game has stretched the McMurry staff, and I assume other staffs in the ASC this year.

As I typical fan, I want to see an ASC-West 2006 pennant flying over Driggers Field.  Then the conference tourney and the NCAA's. ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on April 09, 2006, 07:15:54 PM
Baseball race is obviously tightening up...and we're in for an exciting finish and playoffs...

Go Cowboys!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 11, 2006, 08:48:29 PM
UT-Dallas 5, at McMurry 3 (http://www.mcm.edu/sports/baseball/mcmutd.htm).

UT-Dallas' pitching committee did a better job than McMurry's committee. :-\
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 12, 2006, 12:21:47 AM
The ASC's performance in the past NCAA tournaments include:

2005 TLU -West Region Finalist--losing to Chapman (http://www.titans.uwosh.edu/NCAAChampionship/2005/Regionals/Schedule.html)
2004 McMurry -- 0-2 in Central Region Playoffs (http://www.titans.uwosh.edu/NCAAChampionship/2004/Regionals/Schedule.htm)
2003 Miss Coll -- lost in game 9 to eventual Regional Champion Emory (http://www.titans.uwosh.edu/NCAAChampionship/2003/Regionals/Schedule.html)
2002 Concordia Austin -- Wins West Regional, loses to Champion E. Connecticut State (http://www.titans.uwosh.edu/NCAAChampionship/2002/Regionals/Schedule.html)
2001 McMurry -- 0-2 in West Region (http://www.titans.uwosh.edu/NCAAChampionship/2001/Regionals/Schedule.html)
2000 Champion Texas Lutheran University Schreiner was a D-3 Provisional member.
1999 Sul Ross State in West Region (http://www.ncaa.org/releases/champselections/1999/1999051701sl.htm) (I have not found the URL for the West Region outcomes.)
1998 McMurry hosts West Region.  (http://www.ncaa.org/releases/champselections/1998/1998051102sl.htm)  No URL available for results.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 12, 2006, 06:45:36 PM
A veteran D3 observer sent me this email and is permitting me to post it anonymously.  The insights by this individual will help us D3 fans understand ASC and D3 more completely.

"The names have been changed to protect the innocent." :D



QuoteSchreiner won the tournament in 2000. 

I agree with your assessment that there are some teams beating up on each other. I think there are several good teams in the league but no great ones. I think that HSU has the best pitching, but doesn't hit as well. McMurry hits good but can't pitch. Concordia is solid, but I think McMurry takes at least two this weekend. Texas Lutheran is down and they have not hit as well as the past. 

UT-Tyler has the best athletes. UT-Dallas is solid.  I want to see them against some of the top line pitchers in the West.   Austin College is scrappy. LC has a solid pitching staff. 

I think it is what we have come to learn from ASC baseball is that everyone has lows. Our level of D3 Baseball is not near what the northern level of the country is. They are getting 4-5 kids a year that we would dream about getting once every five. There are not near as many teams playing baseball up there. 

When Montclair (NJ) State played in the Abilene Classic two or three years ago, they had Big 12 looking athletes at every position. I don't think there is a player in the league that I have seen this season that could even be a role DI player. We are getting the bottom rung of players in Texas, because so many schools play baseball. Just within 3-4 hours of Abilene you have probably 25 junior college baseball programs – Ranger, Cisco, Vernon, Howard, Clarendon, Weatherford, McLennan, Western Texas, Western Oklahoma, Temple, Midland, Odessa, plus all the ones in the Metroplex, Austin and Waco areas. Throw in ACU, Angelo, Tarleton, Lubbock Christian, Wayland Baptist, College of the SW, Texas Wesleyan, DBU, St. Mary's, St. Edward's, Incarnate Word, and then all of the DI's and the teams in the league and there are a lot of teams looking for players. That is not the case in the NE or even the Midwest. There are a lot of places that do not even play baseball. 

For an ASC team to go far you have to be solid defensively and have at least one stud pitcher. There are no stud pitchers in the league this year, but a lot of very solid ones.




In all fairness to some of the ASC teams, we have held our own nicely against the Red River AC NAIA teams.  They must be close to that bottom rung as well. ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 14, 2006, 12:10:10 AM
Concordia-Austin 7 McMurry 2. (http://athletics.concordia.edu/baseball/cua-31.htm)

DH tomorrow.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 14, 2006, 12:14:50 AM
Schreiner splits with UMHB, 2-1 and 2-3. (http://www.umhb.edu/sportsinfo/cbaseball/default.htm)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 14, 2006, 08:58:41 PM
McMurry comes back to sweep the DH at Concordia today, 3-1 and 3-2 (http://athletics.concordia.edu/athletics.cfm?page_ID=85).

Albert Carrizales got his first start of the season in the first game and pitched 7 strong innings for the complete game..

Greg Erickson had a complete game 7-hitter in the night cap.

This drops CUA to 11-5, while McMurry is 12-6 in West Division play. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 14, 2006, 09:18:28 PM
HSU 14, HPU 4 (http://hsuathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/stats/2005-2006/hpufri.html)

HSU moves to 11-5, but has the tie-breaker over CUA.

HSU and HPU play the DH tomorrow.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 14, 2006, 10:34:06 PM
TLU sweeps the DH (http://www.sulross.edu/pages/4453.asp) over SRSU today 4-0 and 8-0.

TLU moves to 11-5.  The Bulldogs won the HSU series, and share first place today.  The Cowboys can sweep the HPU DH tomorrow and get sole possession of first place.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 14, 2006, 11:05:47 PM
UT-D sweeps the Austin College (http://cometsports.utdallas.edu/BASE/schedule.htm) series, 6-5, 4-1 and 13-8.  The Comets have one series remaining next weekend against last place LeTourneau.

UT-Dallas can clinch the title next weekend.  The conference tourney will be hosted by the West #1 seed.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 15, 2006, 09:56:40 AM
Standings thru April 14th for the ASC-West:

HSU        11-5         Plays DH at HPU today
CUA        11-5
TLU         11-5
McM        12-6
HPU          9-7        Hosts HSU for DH today
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 15, 2006, 03:26:04 PM
HSU is batting in the top of the 5th.  An error contributed to a 4-run inning.  HSU leads 5-2  going to the bottom of the 5th.

Dalton Rucker on the mound for the Cowboys and will face the 3-4-5 men in the order.  Doug Wren was on the mound for the Jackets.  HPU has activity in the bull pen.

TSRN broadcast. (http://www.tsrnsports.com/Broadcast/Broad-U-HowardPayne.htm)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on April 15, 2006, 05:07:39 PM
that game ended up being HSU 7-2...HPU had way too many errors once again..

2nd game of the DH HPU is winning 5-0 in the 1st...all 9 have batted and still batting.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on April 15, 2006, 05:09:35 PM
After the 1st 6-0 HPU on top of HSU.

11 batted in the first for HPU, HSU had 2 or 3 errors.  About time someone other than HPU committed untimely errors :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 15, 2006, 05:13:53 PM
C'mon dballa, I am rooting for the Jackets!

If the Jackets can give the Cowboys another loss, then McMurry has a chance to share for the title!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on April 15, 2006, 05:26:28 PM
HPU 8-0 over HSU after 2 innings.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on April 15, 2006, 05:49:18 PM
Andrew Atwell just hit a 3 run homerun for HPU

now HPU 11-1 over HSU in the 3rd, HPU still batting.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 15, 2006, 05:52:40 PM
dballa, was the first game of the DH the 7-inning game?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on April 15, 2006, 05:56:13 PM
yes it was, this is the 9 inning game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on April 15, 2006, 06:01:04 PM
HPU11 HSU 3 going to the bottom of the 4th.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 15, 2006, 06:15:52 PM
Jackets got out of a nice jam in the top of the 5th.  Rowley can earn the win now.  I hope that the staff can hold this one.

The announcers don't seem to count on Rowley's going the distance.

HPU 11-3, going to the bottom of the 5th.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on April 15, 2006, 06:17:46 PM
With how hot it is out there and how many pitches he's thrown I wouldn't think he would make it 9.

The only way I could see it is if HPU scores one more and gets out of the 7th with a shortened game :)

it's 12-3 now in the bottom of the 5th

as I said that Atwell got another base hit and drove in a run to make it 13-3
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on April 15, 2006, 06:19:52 PM
Now it's 14-3 after a Schaffer triple and still nobody out in the bottom of the 5th.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on April 15, 2006, 06:26:58 PM
After the 5th it's now 15-3 HPU on top.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on April 15, 2006, 06:42:27 PM
Doug Wren and Andrew Atwell have both gone 5-5 so far in the game.
All starters have at least one hit in the game for HPU.

end of the 6th HPU 17 HSU 4
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on April 15, 2006, 06:49:19 PM
Is there not a 10 run rule anymore in college baseball?

Going to the bottom of the 7th it's still HPU 17 HSU 4

A lot of subs are coming into the game now for HSU and most likely for HPU.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 15, 2006, 06:51:18 PM
I lost my signal.  Keep the scores coming!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on April 15, 2006, 06:58:13 PM
HPU 18 HSU 4 end of the 7th.

Adam Garcia did come in to pitch the top half of the 7th for HPU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on April 15, 2006, 07:11:28 PM
end of the 8th it's still HPU 18 HSU 4
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 15, 2006, 07:13:35 PM
dballa, I am going to count HPU holding onto a 14-run lead with 3 outs remaining. ;)

Here are the standings going into the next weekend.  All teams play 3 games series.

T1)  TLU  11-5  (.688); at Schreiner.  (Has the series advantage over CUA, 1-0)
T1)  CUA  11-5  (.688); at UMHB.
T3)  HSU  12-6  (.667); hosts SRSU. (HSU has the series advantage over McM, 2-1.)
T3)  McM  12-6  (.667); hosts HPU.

TLU--can host the Tourney if they sweep Schreiner.
CUA--can host the Tourney if they sweep UMHB, and TLU loses at least one game.
HSU--can host the Tourney if they sweep SRSU and both TLU and CUA lose one  game.
McM--can host the Tourney if they sweep HPU and TLU, CUA and HSU lose one game.

HPU--can gain the final playoff spot by sweeping McMurry.

The above scenarios are the clean and simple ones.  The criteria and the tie breakers are simple.  The first criterion here is winning percentage.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on April 15, 2006, 07:18:11 PM
If HPU plays error free baseball next week they have a good chance of beating McM in all 3 games but thats really unlikely.

Crazier things have happened though.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on April 15, 2006, 07:24:16 PM
It's finally a final HPU 18 HSU 8
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on April 15, 2006, 07:35:33 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 15, 2006, 07:13:35 PM
dballa, I am going to count HPU holding onto a 14-run lead with 3 outs remaining. ;)

Here are the standings going into the next weekend.  All teams play 3 games series.

T1)  TLU  11-5  (.688); at Schreiner.  (Has the series advantage over CUA, 1-0)
T1)  CUA  11-5  (.688); at UMHB.
T3)  HSU  12-6  (.667); hosts SRSU. (HSU has the series advantage over McM, 2-1.)
T3)  McM  12-6  (.667); hosts HPU.

TLU--can host the Tourney if they sweep Schreiner.
CUA--can host the Tourney if they sweep UMHB, and TLU loses at least one game.
HSU--can host the Tourney if they sweep SRSU and both TLU and CUA lose one  game.
McM--can host the Tourney if they sweep HPU and TLU, CUA and HSU lose one game.

HPU--can gain the final playoff spot by sweeping McMurry.

The above scenarios are the clean and simple ones.  The criteria and the tie breakers are simple.  The first criterion here is winning percentage.

==================

Sounds as if the ASC baseball race is one very tight thing, with two different flavors of Lutherans apparently on top. Could it be the water down there? Or which team's players are more likely to imbibe Shiner beer in their adulthood? Or maybe the theology? ;)

Please advise ....


Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 15, 2006, 08:15:22 PM
Warren, Conspiracy theorist are speculating about the decision not to make up the other 2 games in the CUA-TLU series from earlier in the season.  This definitely gives them an advantage.  A CUA-TLU split in those games could throw the division into a big tie. :o
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 19, 2006, 10:02:23 PM
Trinity's Britton Horn pitched 8 strong innings to shutout HSU 11-0.

With the ASC-West Division title on the line this weekend and TU playing thier last game of the season and the SCAC tourney being more than a week away, it looks like HSU pitched the Committee today, and TU bats got to almost everyone. :-\

I like TU's pitching staff best of anyone that I have followed this year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 22, 2006, 02:06:59 PM
Friday's action:

CUA 9, UMHB 8 in 11 innings.
TLU 11, Schreiner 6. 

DH's today! (http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/pdffiles/standings-baseball-2006.pdf)

McM-HPU, HSU-SRSU and UT-D-LeTU play single games on Sunday!

CUA and TLU can clinch Co-championships with DH-sweeps today!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on April 22, 2006, 06:29:28 PM
HSU took two from SRSU.

6-2 and 22-1

One game tomorrow...Sunday.

(Not sure of the score in the first game, but HSU did win.)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on April 22, 2006, 06:56:24 PM
McM won the first game 9-1 HPU won the 2nd 2-1

final game to be played Sunday.  HPU I guess is officially out of the conference tournament.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 22, 2006, 07:17:27 PM
UMHB 4, CUA 3 in ther first game of the DH (http://www.umhb.edu/sportsinfo/cbaseball/Team_stats.htm#042206-A).

TLU 9 Schreiner 6 in the first game (http://athletics.schreiner.edu/Baseball/schedule.htm).

No score from the TLU at Schreiner 2nd game yet.

TLU must win the 2nd game to clinch outright the ASC-West title.

If they lose, then HSU has the title outright.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on April 22, 2006, 07:26:16 PM
RT,

Doesn't HSU still have to win their game tomorrow...SRSU...to win/host the West/playoffs?

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 22, 2006, 08:19:27 PM
CUA 10,  UMHB 9 (http://www.umhb.edu/sportsinfo/cbaseball/Team_stats.htm#042206-B).  The Tornados score 2 runs in the top of the 8th and 2 in the top of the 9th to come from a 9-6 deficit.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 22, 2006, 08:21:55 PM
dsc, TLU can win the West outright, if they win the second game vs. Schreiner.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 22, 2006, 08:34:02 PM
TLU clinches the ASC-West (http://athletics.schreiner.edu/Baseball/schedule.htm) with a 16-0 win over Schreiner.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 22, 2006, 10:33:35 PM
HPU's Justin Davies (http://www.mcm.edu/athletics/042206.htm)  gets the win over McM's Greg Erickson, 2-1.

McM's Albert Carrizales has blossomed as a starting pitcher in the month of April.  He got his second complete game (7-innings) win in the 9-1 decision. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 23, 2006, 03:13:03 PM
Last regular season game for 5 McMurry seniors, each of whom have been awarded 3 Varsity Letters to date:

Chris Manley (3B from Little Elm),
Albert Carrizales (SS/P from Crowley) who got the career record 247th hit in the 3rd inning
Craig Richardson (LF from Austin),
TJ Renshaw (C from Frisco),
Greg Erickson (RF/P from Crowley) who got the career record 51st double immediately after Carrizales'.

It has been fun following you these last four years.  Good luck in the Tourney and let's get back to the NCAA's.

Going to the bottom of the fifth, with Hank Casey on the mound, McMurry has a 12-0 lead.

The Indians got to HPU senior pitcher Doug Wren, with a hitting exhibition that we haven't seen since SRSU!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 23, 2006, 04:21:32 PM
McMurry beats HPU 19-0.  Today's posting of the standings has the incorrect record for CUA.  It should be 13-6 and not 13-7 as listed.  CUA will be the 3rd seed and will travel to #2 Seed UT-Dallas.  The UT-Dallas Comets lost a DH to last place Letourneau.  McMurry will be the fourth seed and travel to Clinton.

On the West, #1-seed TLU won the West and will host ASC-East #4  Austin College.  #2-seed HSU hosts #3-seed Louisiana College.

ASC Standings posted on Saturday April 22nd. (http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/pdffiles/standings-baseball-2006.pdf)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on April 23, 2006, 05:17:47 PM
Ralph:

Who's your pick to take the ASC playoffs?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 23, 2006, 05:57:54 PM
If McMurry can put together 3 good games out of their reconfigured pitching lineup at MissColl, and the bats stay awake as they did against HPU, and the thunderstorms don't mess up the progression of the series, then I like our chances.

To spark some posts, let me post my choices in the playoffs.

McMurry over MissColl
UT-Dallas to edge CUA
HSU over LaCollege.
TLU over Austin College.

TLU to host the tourney.  I see the top 6 teams in the ASC to be the ASC-West tourney teams plus MissColl and UT-Dallas.

Let me re-pick the tourney when we know the brackets.

I think the winner will be the pitching staff that puts it all together for the tourney.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 23, 2006, 08:09:31 PM
Here is a breakdown of the season records:

Team/Overall/Division/Inter-division/other In-reg D-3/IN-Region D-3/D1/D2/NAIA/other

ASC-East Seeds 1-4

MC/27-13/14-7/5-1/3-3/22-11/1-0/2-0/0-0/0-0

UT-D/28-12/13-8/10-1/0-1/23-10 /0-0/0-0/6-2/0-0 

LaColl/18-21/10-11/4-2/2-3/16-16/0-1*/0-0/2-4/0-0  * one D1 game remaining

AustinColl/19-20/9-12/2-5/3-1/14-16/0-0/0-0/5-2/0-0

ASC-West Seeds 1-4

TLU/27-10-1/14-5/3-2-1/2-1/19-8-1/0-0/0-0/4-1/4-1**  (** vs. non-Region D3's)

HSU/25-15/15-6/5-3/1-2/21-11/0-0/0-0/4-3/0-0

CUA/21-15/13-6/3-3/2-1/18-10/0-0/0-0/3-5/0-0

McM/25-14/14-7/4-3/4-2/22-12/0-0/0-0/2-2/1-0** (** vs. non-region D3's)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 24, 2006, 09:18:13 AM
Abilene Reporter-News write-up on the McM-HPU game (http://www.reporternews.com/abil/sp_lc_mcmurry_univ/article/0,1874,ABIL_8787_4645868,00.html).

To demonstrate how bad the batting slump that McMurry has had the last month, we see the McMurry team batting average on March 20th was .323.

Thirty-three days later, going into the final HPU game on April 23rd, the batting average had dropped to 286.

This has the best time of the season to break out of a long slump. ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 29, 2006, 07:00:34 AM
McMurry's Albert Carrizales pitched a 4-hitter to lead the Indians over the top seeded Choctaws by a 9-2 score in the first game of the ASC Tourney in Clinton.

TLU defeated AC 4-1.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on April 30, 2006, 07:54:25 PM
What's the latest with Miss. College and McM today? Pretty good day for HSU: ASC Softball Champs, ASC Women's Tennis Champs, Men's Tennis team playing for the ASC Championship, and the baseball team winning 2 over La. College to advance in that ASC tourney.
Doesn't HSU play the winner of today's MC-McM game?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 30, 2006, 08:00:30 PM
Miss Coll came from a 10-4 6th inning deficit yesterday to beat McMurry 20-15 and then won 7-6 in 10 innings today (http://www.mc.edu/athletics/baseball/index.html).

McMurry's downfall was pitching beyond Carrizales, Erickson and Casey.

Carrizales picked up the loss today, pitching 3 1/3 innings on one day's rest and giving the winning run in the bottom of the 10th. :-\

Carrizales gave up 3 runs in 12 1/3 innings this weekend.

I wish we had 3-4 more pitchers like him.

Congratulations on a tremendous McMurry Career, Albert! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on April 30, 2006, 09:33:53 PM
Congratulations!!!

Yes, it was a very good week for Hardin-Simmons University sports:

ASC Softball Champions, 2006
ASC Men's Tennis Champions, 2006
ASC Women's Tennis Champions, 2006

Winners of the LC Baseball Series...to play MC next week in Seguin.

Add to that also the Men's and Women's ASC Soccer Champions in November, 2005!!!

...and still most of us HSU fans are still trying to figure out how the 2005 football championship "slipped" through our hands! ???

Good luck next weekend, Cowboys!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 30, 2006, 10:55:43 PM
TLU 11 AC 10 (http://www.tlu.edu/athletics/baseball/).  TLU wins the series 2-0.  They host the tourney next week.

Austin College leaves the ASC-East frying pan and jumps into the SCAC fire.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 30, 2006, 10:59:24 PM
UT-D 9-9, CUA 8-8 (http://cometsports.utdallas.edu/BASE/BASEMAIN.htm).   UT-Dallas holds to advance to the Tourney.

Home teams won all 4 series.  Only McMurry took the series to 3 games.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseball3 on May 02, 2006, 12:36:26 AM
Whos goin to win the ASC baseball tournament? I feel Mississippi College has to be the favorite!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseball3 on May 02, 2006, 12:59:33 AM
Mississippi College leads the conference in every hitting statistic. They also lead the country in home runs. Behind the Russell kid and solid pitching in the bullpen they will sweep through the ASC tournament. No pitching can consistantly hold those hitters down.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 02, 2006, 01:17:26 AM
baseball3, as a McMurry fan, I must respectfully disagree with your assessment of the Choctaws.

I believe that McMurry had the weakest pitching staff of the 4 West Teams.  The Chocs were shut down by Albert Carrizales, who was making only his 4th start of the year. Carrizales gave up only 3 runs in 12 1/3 innings in the Series, coming back to pitch Game 3 on one day of rest.

Our (McM) #2 starter held you to 4 runs in 6 innings.  We had no other pitching comparable to the other staffs in the West!

You scored 16 runs against the weakest bullpen in the ASC-West.  Miss College was the ASC-East team to have their series go to 3 games.

This is why we play the game, but I think that TLU and HSU will contend for the slot.  I also think that the Chocs are 2 and done.  Good luck and travel safely.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseball3 on May 02, 2006, 12:23:02 PM
Well, You might not have had good pitching, or the chocs were taking the team lightly the decided they better start playing. Erickson has the most wins out of anyone in the west side so obviously Mcm's staff wasnt that bad. And How can you explain TLU escaping Austin College, And LC has been down the last few weeks and HSU barely escaped them. I understand that is baseball. But with the leagues top hitters and one of the top pitching staffs they are sure to be a favorite.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on May 02, 2006, 12:34:31 PM
Post-season games always come down to pitching... regardless of how good the hitters are.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bigballer on May 02, 2006, 05:24:09 PM
you know for weeks i have  been watching the stats and reading the post....and  now finally i  have actually logged in to say something.  i think that the ASC this year is going to be a good one to watch.  but  i have to say you can look at stats all day  long and that is only going to  get you so far,  people still play  the game and anything can happer  with that said looking at the Play by Play i think that Jonathan Russel has been over thrown...he has almost  double the amount of innings then the rest of the staff and im afraid that his arm isnt goin to hold up to many more 90+ pitch games....McM hit him around alittle bit in the first game and it seems to be alittle shacky....i just want to say about MC hitting.....they are like my grandma....slow...Mr NCBWA player of the year  hasnt been doing much where have the HR been jake?   this weekend is gonna take  consistant run support to grab the title
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on May 02, 2006, 06:58:35 PM
Quote from: bigballer on May 02, 2006, 05:24:09 PM
...Mr NCBWA player of the year  hasnt been doing much where have the HR been jake?   

I am quite certain that he has outplayed you this season, bigballer. I guess that I am just not comfortable with people calling out a player on this board. Coaches... fine, ADs... fine, but not the players.

On a side note, it never hurts to mix in a little punctuation/grammar when posting.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseball3 on May 03, 2006, 12:10:33 AM
Well, with the sudden release of the All Conference Teams, this week is sure to be a good one with fridays game being a pitchers dule with the East top pitcher in Russell and the West top pitcher in Rucker. The Choctaws bats are hot and thats why they have the advantage. On the other side... I feel UTD is goin to give Newman or Besa a tough time. The comets are a hot team right now and their out to prove something.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseball3 on May 03, 2006, 10:36:44 AM
Bell (Pearl, Miss.) was selected as the ASC East Division Player of the Year. The Mississippi College senior outfielder was also an All-East Division First Team selection and helped the Choctaws to the ASC East Division title.  :) Mississippi College junior right-hander Jonathan Russell (Meridian, Miss.) who was selected as both the Pitcher of the Year and the Newcomer of the Year. Six Firt team all conference players are ready for hardon simmons and a trip to Cali.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 04, 2006, 12:27:27 AM
I usually delete posts from people who register, post, then delete themselves from the system, FYI...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on May 05, 2006, 07:19:59 PM
OK, let's see. baseball3 observed that HSU (by the way, baseball3, that is "Hardin-Simmons", not "hardon simmons") in sweeping LC and outscoring LC 16-10 in the series. I guess that would make HSU's outing against the mighty bats of MC a 9-1 cliffhanger. And his "sure" pitchers' "dule" did not quite turn out that way. MC got 4 hits against HSU's Rucker in 9 innings. HSU had 8 hits in 4 innings against MC's Russell. No question (seriously) -- Russell is a good pitcher. It was just a bad day to have a bad day.
Congratulations to the Cowboys, but everyone needs to remember that it is double-elimination and anything can still happen. The winner can still come from the losers' bracket.
Don't let up, but keep playing tough, Cowboys!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 05, 2006, 08:57:23 PM
Quote from: baddog on May 05, 2006, 07:19:59 PM
OK, let's see. baseball3 observed that HSU (by the way, baseball3, that is "Hardin-Simmons", not "hardon simmons" ...

altho' Hardened Sinners is an acceptable pronunciation on the South Side of town.  :D :D :D

Travel safely, friends!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 05, 2006, 09:37:55 PM
Hardened Sinners' pitching shut down the vaunted Mississippi College bats in a 9-1 victory in Seguin today in Game #5.

TLU defeated UT-D 12-7 in the other first round match, Game #6.

MC and UT-D face off in the consolation round in Game #7.  Loser goes home, and the winner faces the loser of Game #8 between the Cowboys and the Bulldogs.  Loser of Game #8 faces the Winner of Game #7 in the nightcap Game #9 tomorrow evening.

ASC Tourney (http://www.tlu.edu/athletics/baseball/asc_championship_tournament.html),  with game stories and box scores!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on May 06, 2006, 05:20:55 PM
Any score from the UTD-MC game?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 06, 2006, 05:24:54 PM
Quote from: baddog on May 06, 2006, 05:20:55 PM
Any score from the UTD-MC game?
Nothing yet from my end.

They had a 3pm start and I do not find "Livestats" on the TLU site. :-\
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on May 06, 2006, 07:50:29 PM
Still nothing from Seguin. Neither MC's nor UTD's web sites had anything.
Whazzzup?  ???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 06, 2006, 09:03:55 PM
Quote from: baddog on May 06, 2006, 07:50:29 PM
Still nothing from Seguin. Neither MC's nor UTD's web sites had anything.
Whazzzup?  ???

UT-D 10, Choctaws 4 (http://cometsports.utdallas.edu/)

Chocs are eliminated in 2 games, which probably knocks them out of the Regional Rankings and from any Pool C consideration.

The UT-Dallas starter, Randy Black held the Chocs to no runs and 2 hits in 7 innings.  I assume that he was pulled after 7 innings to save his arm for Monday, if needed.

The vaunted Chocs offense chose a very, very bad time to go quiet! :-\
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on May 07, 2006, 07:41:23 AM
RT -- Maybe that is what baseball3 meant about MC's sweeping through the ASC tournament. They swept 2 losses and are out. :'(
Whatever, good luck to all today.
Go, Cowboys!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on May 07, 2006, 06:34:40 PM
Cowboys lose 2 today and, so, are eliminated. :'(
I guess it was not any big deal beating the "big bats" of MC!  :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 07, 2006, 07:01:11 PM
Quote from: baddog on May 07, 2006, 06:34:40 PM
Cowboys lose 2 today and, so, are eliminated. :'(
I guess it was not any big deal beating the "big bats" of MC! :D
Thanks for the update.

TLU hosts UT-D tomorrow.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on May 07, 2006, 07:07:41 PM
If I were a rabid TLU fan, I'd say "Go Bulldogs." But since I'm not, I'll merely say "Go TLU."  ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: All_Heart on May 08, 2006, 07:55:42 PM
TLU falters to UTD in the first game 4-3 in 10 innings, but rebounds winning the championship 6-4 to claim their 2nd consecutive ASC championship.  Off the top of my head all-tournament team was:

MVP: Aaron Crais - TLU (2nd straight year)
1B: ???
2B: Brett Rosen -UTD
3B: Scott Matocha - TLU
SS: Jacob Kaase - TLU
OF: Trent Elizondo - UTD
OF: Casey Rehfeld - TLU
OF: Ryan Stepp - HSU
DH: Nick Bird - UTD
DH: Brett Cannon - TLU
P: Daniel Besa - TLU
P: Brian Wallace - TLU
P: Trey Schurr - UTD

Once it's posted I will make corrections, fill in the 1B slot b/c I can't remember.

Congrats to the Bulldogs...

What are the chances of UTD sneaking a Pool C bid?

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: All_Heart on May 08, 2006, 09:34:38 PM
MVP: Aaron Crais - TLU (2nd straight year) .533, 3 HR, 10 RBI, .600 OBP,
1B: None Selected
2B: Brett Rosen -UTD
3B: Scott Matocha - TLU
SS: Jacob Kaase - TLU
SS: Jake Jackson - UTD
OF: Trent Elizondo - UTD
OF: Casey Rehfeld - TLU
OF: Ryan Stepp - HSU
DH: Nick Bird - UTD
DH: Brett Cannon - TLU
P: Daniel Besa - TLU
P: Brian Wallace - TLU
P: Trey Schurr - UTD

LINK (tournament team):
http://www.tlu.edu/athletics/baseball/news/060508_all_tournament%20team.html

STATISTICS:
http://www.tlu.edu/athletics/baseball/news/asc_day4_indiv_stats.doc
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 09, 2006, 06:23:04 AM
Quote from: All_Heart on May 08, 2006, 07:55:42 PM
TLU falters to UTD in the first game 4-3 in 10 innings, but rebounds winning the championship 6-4 to claim their 2nd consecutive ASC championship.  Off the top of my head all-tournament team was:

MVP: Aaron Crais - TLU (2nd straight year)
1B: ???
2B: Brett Rosen -UTD
3B: Scott Matocha - TLU
SS: Jacob Kaase - TLU
OF: Trent Elizondo - UTD
OF: Casey Rehfeld - TLU
OF: Ryan Stepp - HSU
DH: Nick Bird - UTD
DH: Brett Cannon - TLU
P: Daniel Besa - TLU
P: Brian Wallace - TLU
P: Trey Schurr - UTD

Once it's posted I will make corrections, fill in the 1B slot b/c I can't remember.

Congrats to the Bulldogs...

What are the chances of UTD sneaking a Pool C bid?



Props to TLU!  Go far in the playoffs!

As for UT-D's chances, let's look at the Regional Rankings.  I don't think that UTD has enough quality wins. 

Secondly, I would encourage UT-D to play a tougher non-ASC schedule.  The only D3 game that I saw that looked interesting was one game at Southwetern.

I think that going to California for Chapman or CSU-East Bay or NWC teams like George Fox will help with the Quality of Wins Index.

Next year, maybe UTD can get some teams from Wisconsin or Minnesota to play when they come for spring training.  They will be "in-region" games from geographic region #4.  Next year Austin College will be a another non-ASC opponent.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on May 09, 2006, 11:04:22 AM
Wisconsin or MN?  I really dont see how that would help their non-conference schedule?  Just my thought...  I will post my West-Regional prediction on here shortly....
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: All_Heart on May 09, 2006, 12:24:47 PM
It's not always easy to get a good tough non-conference schedule.  I know some universities don't have the means to go out West and play teams like Chapman like McMurry did this year. I agree with you about UTD's chances at an at large bid, though they are a good team that would compete well at the regional level.  I know last year ETBU and Hardin-Simmons were both as tough as Linfield and La Verne.  I guess I just wish people would realize how tough the ASC is because since the preseason poll no ASC team has been ranked and it's because it's a tough conference and the teams beat up on each other.  Also, is it not the biggest conference around? 16 teams. 

As far as teams coming down from the North it's tough to get good teams with the exception of Franklin and Marshall, and sometimes St. Olaf it's tough to get very good teams to come to this region.

I think that's why Trinity will always have an advantage in the SCAC because they can play so many tough non-conference opponents from the ASC, but the ASC teams (at least in TX) just have Trinity or for Miss Coll, just Millsaps (and Bellhaven?)  Southwestern has been tough in the past, but not that strong this year - though they did pick up some quality wins early.

Interested to see what you guys think the West regional will look like.  I think it will be a 6 team pool featuring CSU - East Bay, Chapman, Trinity, Texas Lutheran, George Fox and Redlands with Chapman hosting again this year.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on May 09, 2006, 03:38:59 PM
Here is my take on the West Regional...

1. Trinity
2. Chapman
3. Redlands
4. East Bay
5. TLU
6. George Fox

Rirst round games----Fox beats Trinity (you can call me crazy but GF has more experience and I think Trinity is overrated like they always are)
TLU over Chapman- TLU figures out that Klovstad throws nothing but junk and they give him his first L of the year.
East Bay is all over Redlands.  I think Redlands will be in over their head but they still have some pretty good pitching.

I realize these are all upsets (based on the seeds) but this seems to me to be a WIDE OPEN regional.  I honestly think either TLU or East Bay will win it.  Chapman is probably the favorite but they have had 3 pitchers acount for 245 out of 333 Innings (74%) with only 2 guys getting any time out of the bullpen (51 innings, or 15% of the seasons total.  Add that all up and you have 5 pitchers throwing  89% of the innings and too me that is just plain crazy.  There is no way a team can win a 6 team Regional with only 5 pitchers.
I also like East Bay who is coming off of a pretty nice sweep of George Fox.  East Bay has put the hitting a pitching piecec of the puzzle together this year, and they have done A LOT of it on the road.
Well, whatever happens it should be a pretty fun regional.  Maybe a new team from the West will go to Appleton this year........maybe not.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on May 09, 2006, 03:51:13 PM
Chapman is solid, but their 4 and 5 starters concern me. I think they could be in trouble in the expanded regional format. Teams with solid pitching depth will be the ones to survive the weekend.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: All_Heart on May 09, 2006, 04:50:32 PM
I think it's tough to call Trinity overrated this year.  Yes, they have two losses to TLU, but they have a LOT of depth on the mound and a 6 team region format would probably be beneficial to them.  With Huggins, Frey, Bignall, Horn and then the likes of Hopkins, Poffenroth and Bronson they're going to be tough.  That said, I think a lot will depend on Oates.  Oates is a top quality arm (perhaps draftable next year?), but he's been injured since fairly early on.  If he could return to early season form it would be big for Trinity, but they might have a reluctance to use him, and then only in moderation.  And even then, can he throw like he started the season?

They have quite a few seniors on board and freshman SS Ryan Cavan has been instrumental in their success.  People can say what they want, but I think the West Regional has to be one of the TOUGHEST across the board.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on May 09, 2006, 06:16:24 PM
The west is certainly getting tougher. For year, they had no fared well in the World Series and then both Chapman and George Fox won national titles in the past few seasons. It is definitely moving in the right direction.

Anyone know which regions have the most champions... or how many each region has?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 09, 2006, 06:39:34 PM
Quote from: Rick Vaughn on May 09, 2006, 03:38:59 PM
Here is my take on the West Regional...

1. Trinity
2. Chapman
3. Redlands
4. East Bay
5. TLU
6. George Fox

But with all the teams from the west coast, that prolly means Chapman gets to host their fifth straight regional.  That's too bad.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on May 10, 2006, 12:07:15 PM
Ron, I agree that it is too bad if Chapman hosts yet again.  It all comes down to the fact that they have the only facility of the teams playing that could host.  I know Redlands had a really nice park but no lights.  East Bay is not near any of the other schools and why fly 5 teams to Oregon?  I hope they play the West Regional out in San Antonio just so somebody else has a chance to host.  I tell you what, if I was a coach or a player I sure would love playing a Regional at my home park. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 10, 2006, 11:36:32 PM
Rick, here is the NCAA notice and our interpretations of in-region in 2007.

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=3880.358

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=3880.359

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=3880.376
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: historymajor on May 18, 2006, 02:17:00 AM

http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/Baseball/Recaps/2006/TU-NCAA1.htm

http://www1.chapman.edu/athletics/05-06/baseball/regionals/game2.htm

FYI... Millsaps won even easier in their opener:

http://bearsports.wustl.edu/releases/baseball5-17-06.html

http://bearsports.wustl.edu/baseball/ncaa2.htm
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 23, 2006, 07:43:51 PM
I want to congratulate McMurry's Coach Lee Driggers for the outstanding non-conference schedule that McMurry had this year.

The Indians played 2 of the D3World Series teams, Chapman a 3-game set in February and Marietta Ohio over spring break!  McMurry went 3-1 in those 4 games!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HALLEBASEBALL on May 26, 2006, 12:10:23 AM
CRY ME A RIVER. THE BEST TEAM TOURNAMENT TEAM WON. LOSE A GAME YOU BETTER BE READY TO PLAY THREE GAMES IN A ROW IF NEEDED TO GET TO THE THE DANCE.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 10, 2006, 10:01:56 AM
Former McMurry star Josh Lee (http://www.reporternews.com/abil/fe_people/article/0,1874,ABIL_7933_4763978,00.html) was recently cut by the Detroit Tiger affiliate West Michigan Whitecaps.

Here is a feature article about Josh and his plans.
Title: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cheddar8314 on October 20, 2006, 03:07:43 PM
Things are changing down in Alpine, and this up coming baseball season is looking good for the Lobos. With a few new arms and numerous additions it will be interesting to see how things will go in the spring
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 20, 2006, 06:33:50 PM
Welcome aboard, cheddar.  As the moderator of the baseball boards, I moved your ASC post to the West Region where the NCAA has assigned the ASC.

Kokernot is one of the prize jewels of D3.  Please keep us updated.  This board started to get active in February.  You can review the previous 13 pages for the flavor of the postings.

Always glad to have posters from Sully.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SR97 on October 31, 2006, 12:03:29 PM
Ol' cheddar thinks he knows something about baseball now that he's a GA.  He played football at SR.  What's up with that?
Title: Projections
Post by: captain_bomb_2000 on December 09, 2006, 03:25:24 AM
With spring rapidly approaching, I was curious as to what everyone thought about the conference this year.  Who is atop your preseason rankings? How about preseason players and pitchers of the year?  I figured since the ASC will announce those types of things in a little over a month it would be fun to add some conjecture at this point.  Here are my rankings for the west:

1. Texas Lutheran
2. Hardin Simmons
3. McMurry
4. Mary-Hardin Baylor
5. Concordia
6. Howard Payne
7. Schreiner
8. Sul Ross

I don't really have enough knowledge of the east to offer any projections, but that's a start!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 11, 2006, 01:26:07 PM
Jonathan Miller for us should be in the running for pitcher of the year. He was an ace reliever for us last year and averaged better than 10 strikeouts per nine innings. In his one start, he pitched a 12-strikeout, 1-run complete game. If I understand right, he should be in the rotation this year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 11, 2006, 02:51:32 PM
Captain Bomb, welcome aboard.  It is good to have new posters.

I am not trying to "out" you, but can you tell us if have a favorite team?

We will appreciate any local posts, scores, opinions, game summaries, etc. that you can give us!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: captain_bomb_2000 on December 13, 2006, 12:54:30 AM
Ralph,

My bias is towards McMurry seeing as I am an Abilene resident.  I would like to offer my insight from time to time, but judging by your past posts, it seems like you've got McMurry pretty much covered.  I kept up with your posts last season and enjoyed the coverage.  Do you know much about the team this year?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 13, 2006, 12:33:51 PM
Bomb 2000, I only get to view most of the games thru the eyes of Kit and Leon, (thanks be for those 2 loyal and devoted fans!) and the official scorer.

Any firsthand stuff will be greatly appreciated! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on December 21, 2006, 09:32:19 AM
Hey guys - guess I was posting in the wrong region!  Anyways, thought I'd give the East side of the conference a little love and give my thoughts on how the conference will play out:
1. UT-Tyler - could be the best D3 team in the nation.  Have added tremendous talent over there and continue to grow. 
2. UT-Dallas
3. Mississippi College
4. Louisiana College
5. ETBU
6. Ozarks
7. LeTourneau

Any thoughts on that?  I know the West is so much strong top to bottom, but I really feel that UT-Tyler could be the best team top to bottom.  They've also produced 9 professional players, number 1 in D3, with number 2 being Chapman.  http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/baseball/news/2006/nov30-06.html (ftp://http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/baseball/news/2006/nov30-06.html)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: captain_bomb_2000 on December 21, 2006, 10:32:38 AM
sounds like the early season matchup between UT-Tyler and McMurry should be a good one.  If they really are the best team in D3, then McMurry's schedule has to be one of the toughest in the nation.   UT-Tyler, Chapman, and Marietta.  I could see McMurry getting some national attention if they can win 3 or 4 out of those 5.  Is UT-Tyler eligible for the postseason yet? 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 21, 2006, 12:37:02 PM
UT-Tyler is not eligible this year... I'm pretty sure that next year they can start playing in the postseason.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on December 22, 2006, 06:46:14 PM
How is McM looking this year?  Any word on Josh Lee?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 06, 2007, 02:46:30 PM
CUA drops 2 to Houston Baptist (5-2, 7-3) to open the year then beats TWU (6-4) to open the year.

#1 starter Miller went 5 innings (I think it was predetermined), struck out 6, gave up one hit and no runs on Friday night.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on February 06, 2007, 02:51:11 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on February 06, 2007, 02:46:30 PM
CUA drops 2 to Houston Baptist (5-2, 7-3) to open the year then beats TWU (6-4) to open the year.

#1 starter Miller went 5 innings (I think it was predetermined), struck out 6, gave up one hit and no runs on Friday night.

Does CUA still play on campus? I thought their field was one of the most fantastic baseball settings we played in. I brought one of my teams to Texas to play them a few years ago. I felt like every flyball was going to land on the freeway!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 06, 2007, 11:11:21 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on February 06, 2007, 02:51:11 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on February 06, 2007, 02:46:30 PM
CUA drops 2 to Houston Baptist (5-2, 7-3) to open the year then beats TWU (6-4) to open the year.

#1 starter Miller went 5 innings (I think it was predetermined), struck out 6, gave up one hit and no runs on Friday night.

Does CUA still play on campus? I thought their field was one of the most fantastic baseball settings we played in. I brought one of my teams to Texas to play them a few years ago. I felt like every flyball was going to land on the freeway!

Look at where Concordia is moving (http://www.concordia.edu/relocation/default.cfm).

Click on the Jan 2007 update for the map of the new campus.

Does this look like the stadium (http://discover.concordia.edu/pageexplore.cfm?page_ID=182) that you remember?  The Freeway is behind the left field fence.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on February 07, 2007, 09:23:35 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 06, 2007, 11:11:21 PM
Does this look like the stadium (http://discover.concordia.edu/pageexplore.cfm?page_ID=182) that you remember?  The Freeway is behind the left field fence.

That's the place. It is sad to know they are not going to stay on that campus. It's one of my favorite places to play of anywhere I have been.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 07, 2007, 11:03:27 AM
Quote from: BigPoppa on February 07, 2007, 09:23:35 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 06, 2007, 11:11:21 PM
Does this look like the stadium (http://discover.concordia.edu/pageexplore.cfm?page_ID=182) that you remember?  The Freeway is behind the left field fence.

That's the place. It is sad to know they are not going to stay on that campus. It's one of my favorite places to play of anywhere I have been.

The new campus is spectacular.  I am not sure how many trees they will cut downfor parking, tho'.  And I am having trouble seeing the gradations on the topographical map.  I think that I see a 950.00 foot contour line running thru the map.  A question for native Austinites, is that campus on the top of a mesa?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 07, 2007, 12:20:03 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on February 07, 2007, 09:23:35 AM
That's the place. It is sad to know they are not going to stay on that campus. It's one of my favorite places to play of anywhere I have been.

It is a pretty cool place to play, albiet a tough place to play.  I just wish it was a little bigger because I don't like the fact that 150-lb eight-hole hitters can hit an opposite field fly ball that leaves the yard. I know people these days enjoy the long ball, but at that facility a pitcher can make a good pitch that would typically be a fly ball out and the next thing you know the ball is leaving the year.  What ASC teams get going this weekend?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 08, 2007, 02:48:39 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on February 07, 2007, 12:20:03 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on February 07, 2007, 09:23:35 AM
That's the place. It is sad to know they are not going to stay on that campus. It's one of my favorite places to play of anywhere I have been.

It is a pretty cool place to play, albiet a tough place to play.  I just wish it was a little bigger because I don't like the fact that 150-lb eight-hole hitters can hit an opposite field fly ball that leaves the yard. I know people these days enjoy the long ball, but at that facility a pitcher can make a good pitch that would typically be a fly ball out and the next thing you know the ball is leaving the year. 

I seen a couple of balls hit into the freeway there during BP one year.  The next thing you hear are cars colliding into one another.  Has that happen often?  Also one of my favorite places to play, CUA.  Gotta love the short porch in right!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 09, 2007, 02:33:35 PM
Most of the ASC teams open up this weekend, if they haven't already.

Friday, February 9th:
Concordia vs. Houston Baptist
East Texas Baptist vs. Millsaps
Howard Payne vs. UT-Permian Basin
Louisianna College vs. Hendrix
Sul Ross State vs. West Texas A&M
Mary-Hardin Baylor vs. UT-Brownsville
Hardin Simmons vs. College of SW

Saturday, Feb 10th:
Concordia vs. Houston Baptist
ETBU vs. Millsaps
McMurry vs. LeTourneu (DH?)
Howard Payne vs. UT-Permian Basin (DH)
Louisianna College vs. Hendrix (DH)
Sul Ross State vs. West Texas A&M (DH)
Mary-Hardin Baylor vs. UT-Brownsville
Ozarks vs. Principia College (DH)
Texas Lutheran vs. Huston-Tillotson (DH)
Mississippi College vs. Tougaloo College
Mississippi College vs. Loyola
Hardin Simmons vs. Oklahoma Baptist
Hardin Simmons vs. Lubbock Christian

Sunday, Feb 11th:
Concordia vs. Huston Tillotson
McMurry vs. Texas-Tyler
Ozarks vs. Principia College
Schreiner vs. Southwestern
Texas Lutheran vs. UT-Brownsville (DH)

Should be a good weekend of baseball for some teams to find out about the character of their teams.  It's too early to tell much as most teams probably won't have much of a definitive line-up, etc. until closer to the start of conference, but it'll be good to start feeling teams out.  I'm looking forward to the McMurry Texas-Tyler game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 10, 2007, 01:38:48 AM
Friday, February 9th:

Concordia 0 vs. Houston Baptist 10
Concordia gets 2-hit. Jonathon Miller gave up 7 in 4.2 innings of work.

East Texas Baptist vs. Millsaps
Couldn't find anything, but with pretty crappy weather in Jackson I suspect it might've been pushed back to a DH on Saturday.

Howard Payne 13 vs. UT-Permian Basin 7
Justin Davies is the winning pitcher. HPU bangs out 19 hits with CF Kasey Black (4), C Jose Sierra (3) 3 RBIs, 1B Blake Shaffer (3) 4 RBIs, and SS Cale Thompson (3) leading the way.

Louisianna College 13, 15 vs. Hendrix 2,1
Thomas started and got the win in game 1 giving up 1 ER in 4 innings of work. C Malbrough was 3-4 with 6 RBI and LF Trahan was 3-3. In the second game of the double dip Wilson gets the win giving up 1 ER in 3 innings of work. 1B Bray was 2-2 with 3 RBI.

Sul Ross State 8 vs. West Texas A&M 7
Sul Ross tosses Kemmerlin 8 innings giving up 7 runs (6ER) on 15 hits and 3 walks. Sounds to me like his pitch count was probably pretty high for the first game of the season, but I guess that's why I'm not a coach. CF Klinetop and C Montano (2 RBI) both contributed 3 hits. 3B Arrieta was 2-5 with 2 RBI as well.

Mary-Hardin Baylor vs. UT-Brownsville - 5-5
Game Suspended Due To Darkness

Hardin Simmons 6 vs. College of SW 7
College of the Southwest gets 3 unearned runs in the top of the 9th to edge past HSU. Jeff Walker, SR, transfer from Pacific gave up 3 runs on 6 hits in 5 innings of work for HSU. Catcher Blake Koch was 4-5 and lead off hitter and LF Danny Ruth had 2 hits.

Overall the ASC goes 4-2 on Friday with quite possibly the two strongest teams of the bunch dropping their respective games. It will be interesting to see how Louisianna shapes up this year in the East.  With ETBU likely having a down year, UT Tyler still not eligible and Austin making the move to the SCAC, Louisianna is a lock for the playoffs but can they compete with perennial division leaders UT-Dallas and Mississippi College?



Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 10, 2007, 09:42:14 AM
Thanks "Guy".  Great summary!

Game report on ETBU vs. Millsaps (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4180.msg673084#msg673084) by Frank Ezelle, the well-respected Millsaps and SCAC fan.

Frank gives reliable reports, so I read his comment with interest.

A young ETBU was handled easily and the Majors got to Pre-Season ASC POTY Andrew Cardell.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 10, 2007, 10:02:42 AM
Hey guys, here's another Friday night score.  LETU added on a game:

LETU 6 vs. SAGU 1

'Jackets get strong pitching performance from Wolfers (Soph), 6IP 5H, 0BB, 2K's.  Played well defensively with no errors.  Lacking in power.  Faust goes 3 for 4 on the day with 2 r's and 1 rbi.  "jackets go to 1-1 on the season, with an early season loss @ Northwood 10-4. They were in the game up until the 8th inning, when 3 runs crossed the plate for Northwood.  Very young team again.  With the coaching change, not a lot of recruiting this past year.  You have a lot of guys who are going to battle though and they return their starting infield. 

Play host to McM today, 9 inning game.  I'll try to give you updates, but being outside I doubt we will get any connection.  Cloudy day, hope to get it in. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 10, 2007, 07:12:54 PM
McM - 13
LETU - 3

Every McM starter collects a hit.  Voorhees 2 for 6 with a two run homerun and Curry goes 7 2/3 innings for the win. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 10, 2007, 08:47:36 PM
Saturday, Feb 10th:

Mary-Hardin Baylor 6 vs. UT-Brownsville 5 (15 innings)
Stephen Fellows is the winning pitcher going the last 3 innings, surrendering 1 hit and 0 runs. R.B. Garza pitched a hitless previous 3 innings. C Ricky LaFont was 3-3. RF Joseph Villegas also collected 3 hits.

Mary-Hardin Baylor 8 vs. UT-Brownsville 6
Blair Bundy started for UMHB and gave up 5 runs in 5 innings. R.B. Garza (0.00 ERA) got his 2nd save of the season. 1B Steven Reinlie was 3-4, 1 RBI, LF Ernest Pena was 3-3, 2 2B, 2 RBI, Garza and LaFont both added two hits.

Mary-Hardin Baylor 3 vs. UT-Brownsville 3
Corey Dobbins throws three shut out innings, but UMHB only manages 3 hits the whole game. Starter Bill Pearce gave up 3 ER on 8 BB and 10Ks



Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 10, 2007, 08:52:17 PM
ETBU  2 vs. Millsaps 7

Losing pitcher for the Tigers was Reggie Patrick who gave up 4 runs in 4 innings of work.

Jay Hollenback earned the win for the Majors. Luke Morrow and Hunter Abrams contributed two hits each for Millsaps.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 10, 2007, 08:57:47 PM
Sul Ross 3 vs. West Texas A&M 3
WP Arojo, 7 innings, 0 ER
RF Araujo 1-2, 1 RBI
3B Arrieta 1-2, 1 RBI
7 Errors & 8 hits in the game

Sul Ross 4 vs. West Texas A&M 10
M. Otero gets his 2nd loss of the year.
DH, lead off hitter Klinetop is 2-3, 1 RBI
3B Arrieta is 2-4 w/ a run

Sul Ross moves to 2-5 on the season
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 10, 2007, 09:08:49 PM
Hardin Simmons 16 vs. Oklahoma Baptist 14

Seven unearned runs in the bottom of the 8th inning help Hardin-Simmons edge Oklahoma Baptist.

Johnny Wholestaff threw for HSU in the W. Starter Nathan Copeland gave up 6 ER in 3.1 innings pitched.

RF Ryan Stepp 4-6, 3 RBI
3B Brad Coleman 4-5
CF Michael Simpson 2-2
LF Taylor Gibbs 1-2, 3 RBI, 3 runs, 4 BB

Hardin Simmons has a lot of depth this year with everyone but Arnold and Lay returning.  I anticipated the staff being stronger, but it's still very early so I'm sure they'll come into their own. I think they'll give anyone in the ASC all they can handle on any given day.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 11, 2007, 12:00:56 AM
Hardin Simmons 2 - Lubbock Christian 4

Okay, so I lied Brian Arnold is still there as well.  3B Brad Coleman and C Blake Koch led the way offensively goin 1-3 with 1 RBI each for the Cowboys. ASC-West Preaseason POTY Dalton Rucker gave up 3 in 5 innings of work. Arnold pitched the next 3 innings, surrending 0 earned runs.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 11, 2007, 12:06:24 AM
Howard Payne 12 vs. UT-Permian Basin 13
HPU starter Cody Bastian gives up 7 earned runs in 2 innings of work.
CF Kasey Black 2-3, 2 BB, 3 runs
C Jose Sierra 2-4, 2 runs, 2 RBI
DH Kyle Lloyd 2-3. 2 RBI

Howard Payne 2 vs. UT-Permian Basin 9
CF Kasey Black 1-2, 1 BB
HPU LP is Colby Rowley 3 ER in 4 innings of work.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 11, 2007, 12:14:16 AM
Texas Lutheran 5 - Huston Tillotson 3 (10 innings)

Starter Adam Enloe works 5 innings and gave up 1 ER. Robert Conley pitched 3 scorless innings out of the pen and Austin Yager pitched a scoreless 10th for the win.
SS Jake Kaase hit a 2-Run walk off HR.  He was 2-5, with 2 RBI
DH Drew Farr was 2-2

Texas Lutheran 6 - Huston Tillotson 4

SP Kyle Newman gave up 4 ER in 2.2 innings pitched on 5 BB and 2 HBP. Eric Bremer threw 1.1 for the win and Logan Hull through a scoreless inning for the save.
3B Joseph Brade 2-3, 2 RBI
LF Mat Moore 3 BB

Looks like TLU got some efforts from some different guys at the plate. They'll need a little parity and production from a bunch of different guys after losing All-American C Aaron Crais to graduation. Not a normal outing for LHP Kyle Newman. Maybe the worst of his career as a Bulldog, but the guys in the pen looked well and it appears they have more depth out of the pen this year than in previous years. It will be interesting to see how this team shapes its' identity with so many new guys playing big roles.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 11, 2007, 01:06:35 AM
Schreiner 4 - Southwestern 1
WP Chris Armijo, 8 IP, 7 H, 1 ER, 5 BB, 9 K
Wes Willis goes 7.2 IP for Southwestner, 0 ER, 5 H

CF Jeremiah Kester 1-3, 3BB
PR/SS J.D. Escobar 1-1 , 2 RBI
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 11, 2007, 01:21:42 AM
Great job, Guy!

+1 Karma!  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 11, 2007, 09:20:05 PM
UT-Brownsville  2 3 2
Texas Lutheran 15 20 1
WP Daniel Besa 4 IP, 2 H, 1 ER, 4 SO
SS Jake Kaase 4-4, 2 runs
1B Jason Foley 3-3, 4 RBI, 3 runs
2B Scott Matocha 3-3, 3 RBI

UT-Brownsville 3 5 5
Texas Lutheran 6 3 0
WP Austin Yager (2-0) 4 IP, 5 H, 3 ER, 3 SO
S Logan Hull (2)

LP Bellperche pitched pretty well giving up only 3 hits, and 1 ER w/ 5ks.  TLU used 2 of their 3 hits, 3 errors and 3 walks to plate 6 runs in the bottom of the 4th to take the lead.

SS Jake Kaase 1-2, 1 RBI, 1 run
3B Marcus Melnar 1-3, 1 RBI, 1 run

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 11, 2007, 09:29:38 PM
Concordia 6 - Huston Tillotson 5

Huston Tillotson keeps giving the ASC tough games, but can't find a way to prevail. Matt Aubry gets the win going 3 scoreless innings after relieving Stephen Szkotak who threw 6 innings giving up 3 ER on 7 hits.

C Bill Mitchell was 3-4
DH Chad Thielepape was 1-2 with a go ahead 3 run bomb in the bottom of the 7th.
1B Brad Payne also contributed 2 hits.

Concordia moves to 2-4 on the season. Their next games are a 3 game Fri/Sat series against Southwestern. They're home Friday night and in Georgetown on Saturday.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 11, 2007, 09:44:57 PM
UT Tyler 3 - McMurry 1

Can't find a box score yet.

Schreiner 6 - Southwestern 5

The Priate bullpen gave up 4 runs in the last two innings to drop the game to the Moutaineers. Kevin Jones (2-0) got earned the victory going 2 innings and giving up 0 earned runs. He relieved Colton Hermes who threw 7 innings, giving up 3 ER on 8 hits. Scott Rogers started for the Pirates and gave up 0 ER in 5.2 innings pitched.

Falcone and Culling had two hits a piece, and Michael Murphy hit a 2-run HR in the bottom of the 1st for Southwestern in the loss.

Jeremiah Kester, Jordan Anders, and J.D. Escobar each had two hits for Schreiner. Escobar lined a ball of the pitcher's foot for the eventual game winner after Huizar had doubled with runners on first and second to tie the game in the top of the 9th.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 12, 2007, 11:49:24 AM
I don't know if MS College has a radio broadcast of their games this year but the Tuesday night game against Millsaps College will be broadcast at this link:

http://www.espnradio1240.com/listenlive.php

This game was originally scheduled to be played at MS College and it has been moved to Millsaps.  There will be a pregame show at 5:45 with the first pitch scheduled for 6:00.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 13, 2007, 12:50:27 PM
Little premature this early in the season, but hey, who's stopping me, I'm excited.

ASC STANDINGS

East
Texas-Tyler  1-0
La College    2-1
Ozarks         3-2
Miss College 1-1
UTD              0-0
ETBU             0-2
Letourneau   0-2

West
TX Lutheran   4-0
UMHB             3-0
Schreiner       5-1
McMurry         1-1
Hardin-Simm  1-2
HPU               1-2
Concordia      2-5
Sul Ross        2-5
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on February 13, 2007, 01:04:47 PM
Huge series this weekend with Chapman travelling to  Texas to face McMurry. Predictions?

I think Chapman takes two of three from McMurry... possibly a three-game sweep. I guess we will find out if McMurry is a legitimate regional contender right away, huh?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on February 13, 2007, 02:08:48 PM
If Chapman plays the way they did on Saturday at CLU, they should sweep.  If they dont get good outings from their starters, they might be in a bit of trouble.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on February 13, 2007, 02:14:21 PM
Quote from: Wild Thing on February 13, 2007, 02:08:48 PM
If Chapman plays the way they did on Saturday at CLU, they should sweep.  If they dont get good outings from their starters, they might be in a bit of trouble.

Agree. Chapman has very good starters, but has always been a bit thin and untested in the bullpen. Knock the starters out and bank on banging around guys not too confortable with their roles if you want to beat Chapman.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: infielddad on February 13, 2007, 04:09:43 PM
Another terrific match up this weekend could be Trinity(TX) ranked 27th/30th nationally at UT Dallas, coming off a 33 win season and returning nearly every starter.
Trinity has a solid and talented senior class, many of whom have started and been signficant contributors  since the 2004 West Region final team.
Trinity has quality pitching and depth of pitching but will need Brian Oates for the entire year.  Brian, is usually 88-89, touching 92/93 mph. He was nearly unhittable over 8 appearances last season before things were cut short by an injury.  Brian looks to have had a good summer in the Coastal Plain league along with teammate Nick Vera. 
Trinity will also be challenged to replace Ryan Cavan.  If they can suitably plug the hole left at short and Brian performs, this should be another very good team to challenge in the SCAC and West Region.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 13, 2007, 04:12:30 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on February 13, 2007, 12:50:27 PM
Little premature this early in the season, but hey, who's stopping me, I'm excited.

ASC STANDINGS

East
Texas-Tyler  1-0
La College    2-1
Ozarks         3-2
Miss College 1-1
UTD              0-0
ETBU             0-2
Letourneau   0-2

LeTourneau is actually 1-2.  They added a SAGU to the schedule the Friday before they played McM.  They beat them 6-1 behind Sophmore Joe Wolfers pitching performance.  
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 13, 2007, 04:20:10 PM
I watched McM play LETU and UTTyler last weekend.  I wasn't horrible impressed.  While they are solid and could beat any team in the conference, I don't think they are dangerous.  They play good defense, but their line-up shouldn't scare anyone.  They look to have a solid pitching staff.

UT-Tyler could be very dangerous this year.  I am going to go out on a limb and say this team is the best they've had.  They are very solid defensively and look to have some big sticks in the line-up.

LeTourneau...well....they are just LeTourneau.  Return everyone back from last year's team, barring two starters, but I wouldn't expect too much out of them.  Very thin pitching staff....
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 13, 2007, 06:04:39 PM
It's hard to say what I expect from McMurry.  I would guess they'll finish 3rd behind TLU and HSU in the ASC West.  They took 2 out of 3 from Chapman last year, but they didn't have to face Devin Drag.  They did get to Sulentor who threw well for Chapman all year last year.  I think the middle of their lineup is pretty solid though. David, Vorhees, and Casey are all really good hitters. They're going to miss both Carrizales and Erickson on the mound and at the plate though I think.  That said, they went out and got a lot of JC guys from Oakton, Cisco, etc so they are plugging those holes with guys that have been in the fire. They definitely ran into a solid UT-Tyler team who will probably win the ASC East, but you have to take McMurry seriously every time out.  I think Chapman probably sweeps though as I think they're the strongest team in the country if their starting pitching holds up.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 13, 2007, 06:28:18 PM
Quote from: infielddad on February 13, 2007, 04:09:43 PM
Another terrific match up this weekend could be Trinity(TX) ranked 27th/30th nationally at UT Dallas, coming off a 33 win season and returning nearly every starter.
Trinity has a solid and talented senior class, many of whom have started and been signficant contributors  since the 2004 West Region final team.
Trinity has quality pitching and depth of pitching but will need Brian Oates for the entire year.  Brian, is usually 88-89, touching 92/93 mph. He was nearly unhittable over 8 appearances last season before things were cut short by an injury.  Brian looks to have had a good summer in the Coastal Plain league along with teammate Nick Vera. 
Trinity will also be challenged to replace Ryan Cavan.  If they can suitably plug the hole left at short and Brian performs, this should be another very good team to challenge in the SCAC and West Region.

This is probably the wrong board for this, but I'll repost it on the SCAC board as well. I think Trinity definitely pushes Millsaps for that top spot, and I'll even go out on a limb and say Trinity wins the SCAC this year.  They have a lot of depth on the mound IF Oates stays healthy. He's 15-2 as a Tiger with opponents probably hitting under .200 against him despite a little bit of a sophomore slump, but he's dealt with injury issues the last two years after a stellar freshman year.  With Bignall, Huggins, Horn, Hopkins and a few others back their staff is really deep and they probably have the SCAC player of the year in Nick Vera who just dominated the Coastal Leagues this summer. Cavan was a big loss though and I just don't know that Stosh Hoover fills that hole, at least not offensively. It will be interesting to see how the pick up the offensive slack. Holman and Zabor will help solidify the middle, but Hoover has to swing it and Verrios has to return to 2005 form.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 13, 2007, 09:32:30 PM
Austin College def LeTourneau Univ 15-7
LETU - 7 13 2
AC   -15 17 3

LETU - Cravalho 2 for 6 with 3 rbi's
AC - Schleizer 4 for 4 with 6 rbi's

LETU 1-3 on the young season
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: infielddad on February 13, 2007, 10:07:08 PM
Just some Guy,
Good stuff.  Huggins transferred.  He is now pitching at UCSB and actually picked up his first win at the DI level over the weekend.  With that said, they still have pitching beyond those guys you have listed. Not bad when you lose a guy to a DI program and still have pitching that should carry the team very far.
Vera is absolutely terrific.  He has worked so hard and earned every accolade he might get.  I have not seen Nick since his freshman year but follow him and listen to his banter with our son.  Little doubt his work ethic has earned him the ability to be one of the top players in college baseball..not just the DIII level. While he does not have Garner Wetzel power, he has size, speed, strength and the ability to hit for average, no matter who is pitching.
I am  hoping a certain Blue Jay scout continues to frequent those games because Vera and Oates can play next year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 13, 2007, 10:16:48 PM
Blue Jays Scout eh?  That wouldn't make you the proud pop of J. Armstrong would it which would explain the banter between he and Vera.  I hear Nick thinks he's going to go get some of Jason's records, and the two give each other a pretty good time about it.  I'd love to see Vera and Oates get a chance to play at the next level and feel like both could. Oates has the stuff, and certainly the work ethic so I hope scouts don't shy away because of his past nagging injuries.

I guess those California boys just like going back to their home state, and without question there are some guys that I didn't mention... Horn, Dailey (who came on strong at the end of the year), and Poffenroth to name a few.

One thing about Trinity is that I wish Bardwell would've stuck with the program, because right about now TU could use that extra big bat, and he certainly could stick it. Fregosi is more a defensive option from what I've seen thus far.



Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 14, 2007, 01:06:29 AM
The SCAC bests the ASC twice tonight.

Millsaps 8 - Mississippi College 7

Hunter Owen 3 RBI double in the bottom of the 8th to put Millsaps up for good.

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/baseball/mcb-0213.htm

Southwestern 7 - Mary-Hardin Baylor 6

http://www2.umhb.edu/sportsinfo/cbaseball/031307-a.htm

Southwestern throws their ace Morrison the complete game. No disrespect intended, but 12 hits, 6 strikeouts and 7 BBs, 43 batters faced sounds like he probably threw too many pitches this early in the young season, especially for a non-conference weekday game.


Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bmo on February 16, 2007, 11:47:54 PM
In what might be one of the ugliest looking line scores you will ever see, Chapman defeated McMurry 13 - 7 to open the three game series...  8 errors by Chapman, 7 hbp (2 for Cavan), mix in some passed ball, balks, and there you have it.  Early season baseball at its finest....

http://www1.chapman.edu/athletics/06-07/baseball/cu-mcm1.htm
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 17, 2007, 12:56:33 AM
Notes on the Game:

1.) I didn't suspect that McMurry would get to Drag (who does?) I think his ERA will stay under 1.00 for the entire year.

2.) Yacko continued to put up ridiculous offensive numbers, but can a guy be a POTY hitting out of the 7-8 hole spots where he gets pitches to see and he's not counted on to deliver every single at bat.  I wondered how they would work that.  I know he got moved up into the 6th slot one game against Cal Lutheran and was 1-4. He was back down 8 hole for this game. That said, 14 RBIs in 7 games and he's pitched well thus far as well. I think pulling double duty helps his case. Anyhow, too early in the year - moving on.

3.) Per usual, I don't think Chapman has very much depth out of the bullpen.  Again this year, I don't know if it will hurt them.  They're such a sound team in so many areas. It MAY bite them come playoff-format time, but it hasn't the last two years so who knows. Their pitchers don't have to put in the innings in a playoff tournament prior to the regionals and I think that helps save the arms a little.

4.) I'm interested in how McMurry pitches for the remainder of the series.  I know they're counting on Curry this year and he looked somewhat suspect in the loss so... They were one of the weaker pitching staffs in the top-half of the ASC last year minus Erickson's consistency and Carrizales coming on strong at the end of the year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 17, 2007, 01:04:23 AM
Mary Hardin Baylor 24 - East Texas Baptist 10

Will Melton was 3-4 in the loss for ETBU.
Starting pitcher Reggie Patrick gave up 9 ER in 2.1 innings.

Corey Dobbins posted the win for UMHB giving up 3 runs in 4 innings pitched in relief.

Marcus Volz 5-5, 4 run, 2 RBI
Ricky LaFont 3-4, 3 RBI
Gary Lopez 3-4, 6 RBI, HR
Joseph Villegas 4-6. 3 run, 2 RBI
R. B. Garza 3-6, 2 run, 2RBI
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 17, 2007, 01:08:04 AM
Concordia 11 - Southwestern 0

No box score yet.

WP Jonathon Miller, 7 IP, 9 SO, 0 runs
Brad Payne his 2 HRs

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 17, 2007, 01:33:32 AM
UT Tyler 16 - Mid-America 0

1B Brett Amyx 2 HR

http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/baseball/news/2007/feb16-07.html

Mississippi College 21 - Miss. Valley State 5

Jody Britt 4-6, 2 HR, 7 RBI

http://www.gochoctaws.com/sports/baseball/2007/mcvsmvsu.htm

Ozarks 5 - Williams Baptist 3

http://www.ozarks.edu/athletics/news/news_story.asp?iNewsID=1670&strBack=%2Fathletics%2FDefault%2Easp

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 17, 2007, 09:20:39 PM
ETBU sweeps twin bill at UMHB 3-1 & 8-7
Game 1
ETBU gets 2 run homer in the top of the 7th by pinch hitter Wilson to get the win
http://www2.umhb.edu/sportsinfo/cbaseball/021707-a.htm (http://www2.umhb.edu/sportsinfo/cbaseball/021707-a.htm)
Game 2
ETBU jumps out early and scores alll their runs in the first 5 innings. 
http://www2.umhb.edu/sportsinfo/cbaseball/021707-b.htm (http://www2.umhb.edu/sportsinfo/cbaseball/021707-b.htm)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 17, 2007, 09:26:37 PM
Southwestern 4 - Concordia 3

WP Andy Morrison (2-0) 7 IP, 4 H, 1 ER, 6 SO
LP Austin Derrick (0-2) 0.2 IP, 4 H, 2 ER

Derrick relieved Szkotak who threw 5.1 IP, 8 H, 2 ER

Jacobs was 2-3 in the loss for Concordia

Southwestern:
DH Hermann was 4-4 w/ 2RBI
2B McMullen 3-4 w/ 2 2B

Concordia 6 - Southwestern 3

WP Morrison 6 IP, 7 H, 2 ER
LP Eric Gonzalez 4 IP, 5 H, 2 ER

5 different Concordia players contributed 2 hits:  2B Court, C Mitchell, LF Cmerek, SS Struhall, 1B Menefee
4 different Southwestern players had 2 hits each: C Boone, SS Falcone, CF Bellomy, 3B Bl. Williams
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 17, 2007, 09:36:23 PM
No Box Scores on these games yet, but I figured I'd report the scores anyhow.

Schreiner 9 - Austin College 7

Schreiner improves to 6-1 on the young season.

Chris Armijo moved to 3-0 on the year and Kevin Jones pitched the last two innings for the save.

Schreiner had 14 hits, including three each from Tommy Cable (2 BIG hits), Jeremiah Kester (3 RBI) and Chase Kimball (3 RBI).

Hardin Simmons 12 - UT Permian Basin 4
Hardin Simmons 8 - UT Permian Basin 7

WP in game 1 was Dalton Rucker
WP in game 2 was Lance Johnson, Josh Alcorn got his 2nd save of the season

HSU hit 8 homeruns between the two games.



Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 17, 2007, 09:45:20 PM
Comets Come Up One Out Short Of
Sweep of NCAA D-III Power Trinity

RICHARDSON, TX - The UTD baseball team bounced back from a devistating start to its 2007 season Saturday, pounding Trinity University, 14-8 in the second game of a doubleheader. The win was redemption for the Comets, who blew a 6-3 lead with two outs in the final inning of the first game, giving up 13 runs on their way to a 16-6 loss. The two teams play again Sunday at 1 pm at UTD Field.

(FROM UTD Website) Pretty sure devistating should be spelled devastating...lol

Game 1:
http://cometsports.utdallas.edu/NEWS/BASE/BOXES07/bs1trin.htm

Game 2:
http://cometsports.utdallas.edu/NEWS/BASE/BOXES07/bs2trin.htm

UTD returned every postion starter except for 1B Mark Perez on a team that hit .320 last year with 33 homeruns and averaged 7.5 runs a game.  If they can get a few pitchers to step up and contribute they'll certainly contend for the ASC title.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2007, 01:38:53 AM
I blogged (http://www.d3sports.com/dailydose/2007/02/17/chapman-at-mcmurry-the-doubleheader) the McMurry-Chapman Doubleheader on the front page.

McM's Nick Schafer pitched 8 innings in the first to win 5-1.  Chapman rediscovered its offense in the second, winning 18-3.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bob Maxwell on February 18, 2007, 07:58:48 AM
Ralph,

Thanks for the update... neither school had it up on their web page yet.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2007, 08:23:10 AM
Bob, I know that the McMurry SID was busy with Hoops, Senior Day and special ceremonies.

The McMurry women finished second in the ASC-West.

The Men's were co-champs in the West and had a special ceremony honoring a player who graduated the year before I came who made the All-Lone Star Conference 75th Anniversary team.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 18, 2007, 11:46:26 AM
Texas Lutheran 6 - Huston-Tillotson 0

WP Adam Enloe (1-0) 7 IP, 4 H, 0 ER, 5 SO

LF Mat Moore was 3-4, 1 run, 3 RBI
3B Joseph Brade was 2-3, 2 runs, 1 RBI
DH Brandon Opheim was 2-4

Texas Lutheran 5 - Huston-Tillotson 2

WP Austin Yager (3-0) 7IP, 7 H, 2 ER, 4 SO

SS Jacob Kaase (.611) was 4-4, 2 RBI, 2 runs
DH Jason Foley was 2-4, 2 RBI
LF Mat Moore added 2 hits

TLU starting pitchers had 0 walks and one HBP on the day.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bob Maxwell on February 18, 2007, 01:21:56 PM
thanks for the informaiton "Guy"...  with all the talk of Chapman, a lot of good teams have been lost site of.  Texas Lutheran being one of them...

And the northern teams haven't event taken the field yet...  most of them start in the next two weeks.  That is when things will be really interesting....
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bob Maxwell on February 18, 2007, 01:27:17 PM
Ralph,

It sounds like a buys weekend... we have them here all the time.  As one sport doesn't ever look at anothers schedule with they do theirs and we often times have 4 or 5 things happening over a weekend.  ANd I just want to go to baseball games or watch NFL footbal... LOL

That is really something about a player being named to the All-Conference 75 year Anniversay team.  Think of all the players who have been on the court for McMurry, let alone the entire conference over that time span.  That really is a great honor for the... I was going to say young man... but he is as old as you are...  :o  I guess that does make him a young man, doesn't it? 

Seriously, congratuations to both the school and the hornoree!!!

That is really a terrific happening for all invovled!!!
Title: Re: UT-Dallas 4, Trinity TX 3 (10)
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2007, 09:50:11 PM
What a game! Boxscore (http://cometsports.utdallas.edu/NEWS/BASE/BOXES07/bs3trin.htm)

I got to Comet Field (altho' no official name is present on the scoreboard that I can remember) in the 7th. 

After UT-D manufactured a run in the second on 2 walks, a SAC Bunt and an infield grounder, Trinity had gone up 3-1 in the bottom of the 5th.  Both starting pitchers had good outings for late February.

In the bottom of the 8th, Elizondo singled to right and Bird homered to left, tied 3-3.

In the bottom of the 9th, here is the heart of the inning...

Quote...Cargile singled up the middle. Whitehead pinch ran for Cargile. Garcia singled through the right side; Whitehead advanced* to third. Poffenroth to p for Horn. Hand reached on a fielder's choice; Garcia advanced to second; Whitehead out at home p to c.

Hand's suicide squeeze just died in the dirt in front of the plate and Whitehead, the PR, was out by the "mile".  However, the asterisk (*) is to designate that Whitehead stumbled in what appeared to be loose dirt around the leadoff area at first.  He did not get a clean start.

The excitement extended to the top of the 10th.

QuoteTrinity University 10th - Vera out at first lf to ss to 1b. Holman
struck out swinging. Pennington struck out looking. 0 runs, 0 hits, 0
errors, 0 LOB.

I was sitting at the top of the stands behind the plate and saw Vera stumble as he was rounding first on the apparent double to left.  UT-D called for the appeal and the first base umpire was following the runner.  He quickly called him out on appeal for missing first base, which lit the fuse on the Trinity fans.

In the bottom of the 10th,

QuoteUniv. Texas - Dallas 10th - Elizondo flied out to cf. Bird walked.
Jackson doubled to right field; Bird advanced to third. Elliott reached on a
fielding error by rf, SF, RBI; Jackson advanced to third; Bird scored. 1
run, 1 hit, 1 error, 2 LOB.

I interpreted the last play as a catch and then the RF bobbled the ball as he was preparing for the throw to the plate.  That would have been the second out anyway.  Bird easily ran home!

In the conversations after the game, a high school umpire from the Houston region said it looked like the missed base appeal was the right call, because he sees it all of the time, i.e., players missing bases.  It deflated the Trinity inning as the next 2 batters struck out, and the coach was ejected.

In all, this was a well-pitched game.  All four pitchers should be commended for this early season performance.

One other note, poster historymajor is heading up the effort to audio stream the Trinity games.  Contact him for more information.

Today's audio stream for UT-D was done by Dallas radio-TV icon, Bill Mercer.  Mr. Mercer has been the voice of many DFW area sports ventures and he now teaches at UNT.  He had one of his pupils doing color at the game today and it was wonderful to hear his broadcast up the back seat of the stands. If I find the archive, I will post it.  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 19, 2007, 09:37:06 PM
Texas Lutheran 9 - Southwestern 3

Texas Lutheran improves to 7-0, rewards Coach Bill Miller with 500th career win.

LF Mat Moore (.389) 1-3, 3 RBI
1B Jason Foley (.348) 2-5, 2 runs, RBI
C Josh Moreno 2-4, 2 runs, RBI

Daniel Besa (2-0) relieved starter Kyle Newmanm, pitching 4.1 innings, 3 H, 0 R, 6 SO
Newman gave up 3 in 3.2

LP pitcher for Southwestern was Scott Rogers, 5.0 IP, 8 H, 6 R, 1 ER
Brad Culling was 1-2, w/ 2 BBs in the loss


Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 20, 2007, 01:12:00 AM
East Division Hitter of the Week
Brett Amyx, 1B, Sr., Texas-Tyler Andrew Cantrell, RHP, So., East Texas Baptist
Texas-Tyler senior first baseman Brett Amyx (Coppell, Texas CHS) went 6-for-7, belting three home runs with eight RBI as the Patriots swept a three-game series with Mid America Christian. He scored five runs and walked once.

East Division Pitcher of the Week
East Texas Baptist sophomore right-hander Andrew Cantrell (Hilmar, California / HHS) hurled a complete-game five-hitter against Mary Hardin-Baylor, allowing one run and walking one. The Preseason ASC East Division Pitcher of the Year's performance came a day after UMHB had scored 24 runs.

West Division Hitter of the Week
Marcus Volz, OF, So., Mary Hardin-Baylor Nick Schafer, RHP, Sr., McMurry
Mary Hardin-Baylor sophomore outfielder Marcus Volz (Katy, Texas / Cinco Ranch HS) produced 10 hits (10-for-16) in a weekend series with East Texas Baptist, including going 5-for-5 in the opener. Volz scored seven runs, walked five times, stole three bases in three attempts and drove in three runs over a four-game stretch.

West Division Pitcher of the Week
McMurry senior right-hander Nick Schafer (San Antonio, Texas) allowed one run over eight innings, scattering five hits with no walks and two strikeouts to end No.3-ranked Chapman's seven game winning streak to begin the season. Schafer hadn't pitched since May 21, 2004 in the NCAA Division III West Regional because of an injured shoulder.




OTHER TOP PERFORMANCES

HITTER:
Mississippi College 2B Jody Britt went 8-for-13 with two home runs a triple and nine RBI over four games
Texas-Dallas OF Trent Elizondo went 9-for-15 with four doubles as the Comets took a series from nationally-ranked Trinity (Texas)
Ozarks 1B Andrew Teaster went 5-for-8 with three RBI during a 2-0 week, extending his hitting streak to five games
East Texas Baptist 1B Will Melton had five hits and scored five runs in a series win over Mary Hardin-Baylor
Hardin-Simmons OF Ryan Stepp was 6-for-8 with two home runs in a two-game sweep of Texas-Permian Basin
Schreiner OF Jeremiah Kester was 6-for-7 with four runs scored over a two-game sweep of Austin College
Texas Lutheran SS Jake Kaase was 8-for-10 with four RBI in a doubleheader sweep of Huston-Tillotson
Concordia-Austin OF Bryan Jacobs had five hits and stole two bases over three games against Southwestern.

PITCHER:
Ozarks RHP Robby Finnell did not allow a run over six innings to pick up the win against Hendrix
Texas-Tyler RHP Ryan Campbell went six innings, striking out seven to beat Mid America Christian
Texas Lutheran RHP Adam Enloe tossed a complete-game shutout with four hits against Huston-Tillotson
Schreiner LHP Colton Hermes didn't allow an earned run over seven innings in a win over Austin College
Concordia-Austin RHP Jonathan Miller collected nine strikeouts and didn't allow a run over seven innings against Southwestern
Mary Hardin-Baylor LHP Bill Pearce struck out 13 batters over seven innings in a loss to East Texas Baptist. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: historymajor on February 20, 2007, 06:18:33 PM
Trinity's home-opener tonight vs. UMHB will be webcast as well as live-stats...
Justin Parker, SID at the controls.

http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/index.htm

Feb. 19, 2007 | Baseball | Live Stats | Webcast
Tiger Baseball Opens Home Schedule Tuesday Night
Fresh off a three-game road series at UT-Dallas, the Trinity baseball team will open up its home schedule with a single game against the University of Mary Hardin-Baylor on Tuesday night at E.M. Stevens Field.  The first pitch is scheduled for 7:00 p.m. and fans can follow the game via the live stats and webcast links..
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 21, 2007, 01:16:08 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on February 20, 2007, 01:12:00 AM
West Division Pitcher of the Week
McMurry senior right-hander Nick Schafer (San Antonio, Texas) allowed one run over eight innings, scattering five hits with no walks and two strikeouts to end No.3-ranked Chapman's seven game winning streak to begin the season. Schafer hadn't pitched since May 21, 2004 in the NCAA Division III West Regional because of an injured shoulder.

OTHER TOP PERFORMANCES
PITCHER:

Concordia-Austin RHP Jonathan Miller collected nine strikeouts and didn't allow a run over seven innings against Southwestern

I know beating Chapman was/is a big deal, but that stat line for Schafer says to me that it was the defense behind him, more than his stuff, that kept Chapman to one run. And while Chapman's gotta be better than Southwestern, 9 K's over 7 innings and no runs given up, and only one walk if I recall, is a better pure pitching performance than Schafer's.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 22, 2007, 09:16:48 AM
LETU gets runned by Hendrix 17-2.

Hendrix hits two grandslams in the 8th inning. 

Hendrix dh goes 4 for 4 with 8 rbi's

LETU runs their record to 1-4.  I have a feeling this is going ot be a LONG season for the Jackets. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2007, 01:41:11 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on February 21, 2007, 01:16:08 PM
I know beating Chapman was/is a big deal, but that stat line for Schafer says to me that it was the defense behind him, more than his stuff, that kept Chapman to one run. And while Chapman's gotta be better than Southwestern, 9 K's over 7 innings and no runs given up, and only one walk if I recall, is a better pure pitching performance than Schafer's.

CUAfan, a good defense can make a pitcher.  Schafer pitched less than 100 pitches that day.  The defense played consistently.  I didn't see anything to say it was spectacular.  Rather it had a solid look to it during the game. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bmo on February 22, 2007, 01:45:39 PM
"Schafer hadn't pitched since May 21, 2004 in the NCAA Division III West Regional because of an injured shoulder. "

You have to give him all the credit in the world for coming back after an almost three year layoff and beating the number 2 team in the country.  It's very easy to move on to other things, especially at the D3 level. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 22, 2007, 02:41:38 PM
Ralph: You should know, having helped found a SABR chapter. :P Just saying that in terms of pitcher-only variables, one can make a good case that Miller had the better outing. Not that he necessarily did, but that the case is there.

Bmo: I was under the impression that POTW was a performance award, not a human-interest feel-good award. Schafer's comeback after the layoff was impressive, yes, but the question ought to be whether or not it was the best performance by an ASC West pitcher that week.

BTW, I think a lot of the POTW awards get skewed towards winning teams more across the board, so they turn into more team-effort awards than individual-effort ones. Example: McDonald in men's bball led the league in scoring all year and won 1 POTW award, probably since we had a losing record all year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: utilitycat17 on February 22, 2007, 03:41:39 PM
I agree that on the surface it may seem as though Miller's performance was statistically better.  However, I think when you factor in all of the variables the right decision was made.  When you look at how all of the other pitchers for McMurry fared against the Chapman offense you have to figure that Schafer's numbers were way out of the norm for holding down that offense.  That performance was way out of the norm when you look at how everyone has done against Chapman.  When you look at Southwestern they are a team that is below .500 right now.  They have yet to score 10 runs in a game even once.  They have scored only 4 runs or less in more than half of their games so far this season.  I would say that even though the stat line may have been somewhat better for Miller the degree of difficulty for Schafer was much greater.  In my opinion, that make Schafer's pitching performance the more unlikely and the more significant.  And when you throw in the fact he hadn't won a game in two years and I'm sure the anxiety of how he would perform after the time off, it makes for a better story.  One that could draw more attention to the player, the school, and ultimately to the conference.  I think the right decision was made.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 22, 2007, 04:38:11 PM
True enough. I don't know enough about Chapman other than the high ranking to make a call one way or the other. I can see how Schafer's performance was better, given the competition. My whole point in this has been to say that maybe too much attention is given to team accomplishments when handing out POTW awards. Not all the time, and not necessarily in this case, but as a general rule.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: utilitycat17 on February 22, 2007, 05:22:20 PM
CUAfan,

I think you make a good point there.  The POTW awards should be more about the individual performance.  I believe a great performance can come from anywhere, even in a losing effort.  I would say, however, that if two accomplishments compare equally I would have to look at more information in making a decision. Such as the importance of the game i.e. was it a game with a lot of post-season implications, or how big of an impact did that performance have on the game itself.  If a guy got 5 hits in a game his team won by 15 runs, I wouldn't care as much as a guy with 3 hits and his team won on his walk-off home run.  I think it is good, though, to scrutinize these things because it means a lot to the players and teams when they are awarded.  It shouldn't just go to the top team every week.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 22, 2007, 07:41:03 PM
In addition to things that utility cat mentioned.  And I posted this the other evening, but it timed out on me and never made it up.  Schafer beat a team that hasn't been beaten and hasn't scored less than 4 runs EXCEPT in that outing.  He beat a team that was averaging 8.8 runs a game; whereas, Miller did something that other pitchers are doing.  Schreiner's Armijio went 8 IP and had 9 Ks and either 0 or 1 run against Southwestern, and Tuesday TLU's Besa through 4.1 in relief and had 0 runs and 6 K's so he was probably on pace as well. CUA fan, you're right a case could be made in favor of Miller, but I think when it came down to it that the right decision was made, and I feel like the ASC usually does a pretty good job.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2007, 10:50:46 PM
Good point, guy.

I hope that Schafer's shoulder holds up.  That was his first decision since May 2004!

Right now, my top 2 pitchers in the West are Besa for TLU and Dalton Rucker for HSU.

Has anyone seen any others?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 22, 2007, 11:54:19 PM
I think you probably mention Enloe (TLU) in the same breath as those guys.

                               ERA   W-L   APP  GS  CG SHO/CBO SV    IP   H   R  ER  BB SO 2B 3B HR  AB B/Avg
Adam Enloe..........  0.75   1-0     2      2   1      1/0         0  12.0   9   2   1   0   8   0   0   0   43  .209   

Not necessarily at that level but worth a mention are guys like Schafer (maybe?), Miller at CUA, Armijo at Schreiner so far this season, and maybe Kevin Jones from Schreiner (but we'll see once they get into ASC play). I'm interested in seeing how the two division 1 guys that transfered into HSU to accompany Rucker in the rotation fare.  Also, Kyle Newman has been masterful the past three years for TLU. It will be interesting to see if he can get back on track.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 23, 2007, 09:21:05 AM
To get on the East's band wagon real quick, I think right now you can pick out any of the UT-Tyler pitcher's as being the best on our side.  Ryan Campbell seems to be the strongest of them all, which includes an opening day win against McM 
                                 ERA   W-L    IP      H   R  ER  BB  SO   AB    B/Avg   
Ryan Campbell.......  0.68   2-0   13.1  12   1   1    1    12   48     .250     

UT-Tyler Team Totals
                          ERA   W-L    IP      H   R  ER  BB  SO    AB    B/Avg   
Totals..............  0.92   5-0   39.0  27   8   4   6    46   143    .189

While I realize that their schedule to this point has been somewhat weak, which could be the understatement of the year, it's still pretty impressive to see some of the stats they are putting up.     
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 23, 2007, 01:30:58 PM
As long as his arm holds up (which goes for all of them I suppose), Miller should have numbers right up there with the big boys by the end of the year.

At any rate, you can't really make a statistical case for anyone with nobody having more than 15 innings or so pitched yet. Let's see where they're at when they hit 40-50 IP.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 23, 2007, 03:59:02 PM
Agreed, but that's what makes Baseball stats so fun!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 23, 2007, 09:55:37 PM
Not a lot of Friday scores reported yet.

UT Tyler 7 - Howard Payne 6 -- No Box Scores yet

Mississippi College 22 - Mary-Hardin Baylor 5

WP Shawn Ashley 6 IP, 4 H, 5 R, 1 ER, 3 BB, 4 SO
LP R.B. Garza 4 IP, 11 H, 7 ER, 1 BB, 5 SO

Kind of surprised UMHB would start Garza who started against Trinity on Tuesday.  Granted, he only threw three innings, but still. He's thrown well all year (including against Trinity) so I'm kind of surprised he got touched up quite like he did except for the fact that he had thrown on Tuesday.

UMHB
DH Gary Lopez 1-3, 2 RBI
3B Andrew White 2-3 1 run, 1 RBI

Miss
SS Hugh Brown 3-5, 4 runs
2B Jody Britt 2-4, 2 runs, 2 RBI
RF Wesley Radicioni 5-6, 4 runs, 4 RBI
1B Max Parks 3-4, 3 runs, 4 RBI
C Ben Lenard 3-5, 5 RBI
Lf Brannan Walls 2-2, 3 runs, 1 RBI, 2 BB
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 24, 2007, 02:47:26 AM
Texas Lutheran 8 - Ozarks 7

http://www.tlu.edu/athletics?newsid=343

Hardin Simmons 18, 10 - Louisiana College 10, 3

http://hsuathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/recaps/022307aaa.html
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2007, 08:35:07 AM
Feb 21st

Southwestern 12, McMurry 11

Richard Falcone's walk off 2-run homer in the bottom of the 9th gives the Pirates the win.

http://www.mcm.edu/athletics/baseball/stats/mcmsw.htm


Feb 23rd

UT-Dallas 13, McMurry 12 (10)

McMurry scored four runs in the eighth and seven in the ninth, but failed to score in the tenth as UT-D's Trent Elizondo, who had doubled, scored on Nick Bird's RBI single in the top of the 10th.  DH is scheduled today.

http://www.mcm.edu/athletics/baseball/


Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 25, 2007, 07:33:03 PM
CUA scores this weekend:

CUA 4, ETBU 2
CUA 4, ETBU 3
CUA 38, ETBU 10 (yes, you're reading that right; they decided to play a football game :P)
CUA 5, HTU 8 (oh well, can't win 'em all)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 26, 2007, 11:07:31 AM
Game 1
SRSU - 10
LETU - 8
5 LETU errors lead to 6 unearned runs

Game 2
LETU - 12
SRSU - 8
Freshman Joey Ramos goes 4 for 4 with 3 runs scored.  Wolfers improves to 2-1

Game 3
SRSU - 9
LETU - 2
3 errors lead to 7 unearned runs
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 26, 2007, 11:15:05 AM
That Concorida - ETBU game is unreal!  Some things I noticed.

After an 1 1/2, it was 13-7 CUA
Every CUA starter got a hit
RYAN POUNDS HAD 9 RBI's on 3 hits - 2 2b's, hr (grand slam), sac fly and a walk
There was a combined 7 HBP, 10 doubles, 7 homeruns
CUA scored in all 7 innings
CUA - 29 hits in 51 AB's - got that from the article written about the game
http://athletics.concordia.edu/article.cfm?newsID=766 (http://athletics.concordia.edu/article.cfm?newsID=766)

If you want to look at the boxscore, here's the link.  It's pretty incredible to read the play by play http://athletics.concordia.edu/baseball/cua-12.htm (http://athletics.concordia.edu/baseball/cua-12.htm)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pitchinmom on February 26, 2007, 08:37:18 PM
As a pitcher's mom, I generally never comment on message board postings and rarely read them, especially if they concern my son.  But I wanted to remark about the POTW awarded to Nick Schafer.  I actually got teary-eyed when I read it.  While we can always make arguments one way or another as to which player had the better stats, played the toughest team, had the best defense, played in the best weather, on the better field etc. (after all that's the great thing about this type of forum); there is no question as to the fact that Schafer had the most outstanding performance.  When a pitcher returns from an injury, it is a huge accomplishment that he can pitch 8 innings.  To have the evening on the hill that Schafer no doubt had, is remarkable and the ASC made the right call.  So, "Hats off" to Schafer and I hope he has a great season!  If my son, Jonathan Miller, continues to pitch with the consistency he has shown thus far, he will get his recognition, but for now give credit where credit is due and be thankful that this talented young man has apparently overcome his injury and is back in action.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2007, 10:55:58 PM
McMurry 15-16  UT-D 8-14  (DH finished today.)

McMurry wins 2 of 3.  I will try not to sound like a homer, but I think that this is a problem with UT-D's bullpen.

I know that McM is still working thru their bullpen.  UT-D had trouble with the big inning with Trinity.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2007, 10:58:33 PM
Welcome aboard, pitchinmom.  We always are glad to have mothers on these boards.

A +1 karma is an applause to what you have said.  Please post frequently! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 27, 2007, 09:34:37 AM
I think it's safe to say that most of the ASC East teams do not have much of a bullpen, i.e. ETBU, LETU and UTD.  I expect to see A  LOT of high scoring games this year during conference play.

Major props to pitchinmom for posting - if I could give ya a karma pt, I would - thanks Ralph for saying something that we all feel!  And we give you permission to have some bias on this page for you son  ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 27, 2007, 09:08:38 PM
Texas Lutheran 5 - Trinity 0

WP Logan Hull (2-0) 7 IP, 7 H, 1 BB, 7 SO
LP Brian Oates (1-1) 1.2 IP, 2 H, 4 R, 2 ER, 2 BB, 2 SO

TLU:
SS Jacob Kaase 1-4, 1 R, 3 RBI
LF Mat Moore 2-4
1B Jason Foley 2-4
RP Robert Conley 2 IP, 0 R, 1 BB, 1 SO

Trinity:
CF Nick Vera 2-4
RP Britton Horn 4 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 3 SO

Texas Lutheran improves to 11-0 and will face currently 8-0 UT Tyler this upcoming weekend in ASC cross divisional play.

Trinity dropped to 5-5.



Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 27, 2007, 10:59:06 PM
Hardin-Simmons 14 - Wayland Baptist 13

WP Josh Alcorn (1-0) got the win in relief. Starter Brian Arnold surrendered 7 ER in 2.1 IP.

3B Brad Coleman 2-5, 1 run, 3 RBI
CF Michael Simpson 1-3, 2 runs, 4 RBI, HR, 3 BB (sets all time school mark in non-scholarship era with his 26th)
RF Ryan Stepp 4-6, 2 runs

.364 team batting average, but a 7.83 team ERA at this point in the season.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 27, 2007, 11:06:25 PM
East Division Hitter of the Week East Division Pitcher of the Week
Trent Elizondo,
Texas-Dallas senior outfielder Trent Elizondo (The Woodlands, Texas / TWHS) collected 14 hits over 20 at-bats, rasing his batting average to .692 on the season. Elizondo hit four doubles, had nine RBI and walked twice. He also scored a combined six times against Paul Quinn College and McMurry

East Division Pitcher of the Week
Sr., Texas-Dallas Grant Wilson,
RHP, Sr., Louisiana College
Louisiana College senior right-hander Grant Wilson (Monroe, Louisiana / Ouachita HS) threw a complete game shutout against Texas College on Tuesday. He allowed just two hits and was perfect over six innings. Wilson turned around on Saturday and allowed only two runs in seven innings against Hardin-Simmons. Both appearances resulted in wins.

West Division Hitter of the Week
Ryen Pounds,
OF, Sr., Concordia-Austin
Concordia-Austin senior outfielder Ryen Pounds (Austin, Texas / McCallum HS) hit two home runs - including a grand slam - and two doubles to go along with 12 RBI over a four-game stretch. He went 3-for-3 with a walk and nine RBI during the game in which the Tornados plated 38 runs - a new ASC record and 10 off the all-time NCAA Division III mark - against East Texas Baptist. 

West Division Pitcher of the Week
Bernard Pena,
RHP, Jr., Schreiner
Schreiner junior right-hander Bernard Pena (San Antonio, Texas / Judson HS) hurled a no-hitter against Division II Texas A&M International, striking out four batters and walking only one over the seven-inning game. The Mountaineers won 7-0.

OTHER TOP PERFORMANCES

HITTER:
LeTourneau C Joey Ramos went 4-for-4 with a triple to spark a win over Sul Ross State
Louisiana College SS Gene Taylor collected nine hits, including a home run, over five games
Ozarks 3B Bruce Cameron went 5-for-12 with a home run in a series against Texas Lutheran
Schreiner OF Jeremiah Kester was 12-for-16 with seven RBI as the Mountaineers went 3-1. He walked three times. . .
Hardin-Simmons CF Michael Simpson hit two home runs, two doubles and had six RBI as the Cowboys took a series from Louisiana College
Mary Hardin-Baylor 2B Adam Froeschl batted .471 and had two three-hit games over a four-game stretch
Texas Lutheran 3B/DH Marcus Melnar had the game-winning single in an 8-7 win over Ozarks. He went 4-for-6 in that game.

PITCHER:
Texas Lutheran's Daniel Besa picked up two wins, one gave head coach Bill Miller his 500th career victory and the other game Miller his 503rd - making him the winning coach in TLU history. Besa struck out 12 over 10 1/3 innings
Concordia-Austin's Jonathan Miller struck out 13 batters over nine innings in a win against East Texas Baptist
Sul Ross State's Jaime Rojo pitched a complete game, resulting in a win over LeTourneau.


Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 27, 2007, 11:17:55 PM
Mary Hardin Baylor 22 - SW Assemblies of God 9

WP Chase Beyrand (1-0)  5 IP, 6 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 2 BB, 2 SO

CF Marcus Volz 2-4, 3 runs
DH Joseph Villegas 2-3, 3 runs, 3 RBI, HR
2B Adam Froeschl 6-6, 3 runs, 8 RBI, 2 HR (He's on another planet right now)
RF Gary Lopez 3-5, 1 run, 1 RBI, HR
PH Stephen Fellows 2-2, 2 runs, 1 RBI, HR
C Clayton Presswood 2-4, 2 runs, 2 RBI, HR
3B R.B. Garza 2-4, 2 runs, 4 RBI, 2 HR



Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 27, 2007, 11:29:50 PM
UT Dallas 2 - Southwestern 0

Andrew Hastings (2-0) out duels SU Ace Andy Morrison for the victory.  Brett Rosen led the Comets going 1-3 with an RBI.

WP Hastings 6 IP, 4 H, 0 R, 5 Ks
LP Morrison 6 IP, 5 H, 1 ER, 2Ks

UT Dallas 3 - Southwestern 1

WP Damian Chelakis (2-1) 4.1 IP (in relief) 6 H, 1 ER
LP Wes Willis (0-2) 6 IP, 12 H, 2 ER, 2 Ks

Rosen, Trent Elizondo, Jeremy Reagan and Mitch Elliot all contributed 2 hits a piece

CF Bellomy 1-3, 1 RBI for SU
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 28, 2007, 10:21:22 AM
pitchinmom: It's always a joy to watch Jonathan pitch. Welcome to the boards. :)

Pena deserved that POTW. It's not like A&M Intl. is a bad D2 team...they're 15-4 on the year! I just wish it hadn't been the same week as Miller's 13 K complete game. :P

IMO, ETBU doesn't have all that much pitching, period, much less a bullpen. Their #1 and #2 starters are ok, but past that I didn't see much. Cantrell didn't even impress me much, considering he was the preseason pitcher of the year for the East.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pitchinmom on March 01, 2007, 06:57:35 AM
CUAfan:  I agree whole-heartedly that Pena had an outstanding performance and deserved the award.  Some folks make the case that POTW should be awarded to the pitcher with the best stats for the week.  I lean towards it be awarded to the player with the most outstanding performance.  The two are not necessarily the same.  I'm just glad I'm not the one that has to decide!  And although I do admit, I pull up the ASC website whenever Miller has a great week to see if it's there; it will really thrill me to pull up the website at the end of the season and see Concordia featured for winning the championship!  I also agree that Miller is a fun pitcher to watch, even if he is my son.  There's just a certain electricity about him whenever he takes the mound and you can just tell that he really loves what he's doing.  So, here's to some great weeks ahead and it will be fun to see how the season unfolds.  The great thing about it, is that on any given day any one of these teams can beat any other team out there.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 01, 2007, 10:01:12 AM
The ASC is 6-3 against Southwestern this year with four more games against them (one each against HSU, MCM, UMHB, and HPU).

Just a random tidbit of info to start everyone's day. :P
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on March 02, 2007, 03:51:19 PM
LETU takes a pair from Paul Quinn the other day -
Game 1
LETU  - 2
PQ - 1
LETU freshman Kaminiski get first collegiate win with 6.1 IP pitched of 6 hit ball
LETU sophmore Hybner solo shot in the fifth for GW run
Game 2
LETU -  11
PQ - 10
Jackets win on error in the bottom of the 10th.  Score 2 runs in bottom of the 9th to tie up game. 
Jackets take a quick 7-0 lead only to see it disapper in 6th.
LETU Cook throws 5 innings of no hit ball before giving up 6 runs in 6th. 

LETU ups their record to 4-6
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on March 02, 2007, 03:52:15 PM
BTW - I am going to be at the UTT - TLU game.  Pretty excited about watching two top notch programs go at it.  Give you the details tomorrow!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2007, 11:24:37 PM
McM 4 MissColl 1

DH will be broadcast on MissColl's web site.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 03, 2007, 02:26:08 PM
CUA 12, Ozarks 8 (10 innings)

CUA scores 4 in the top of the 10th and holds on for the win. CUA goes to 4-0 against the East.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2007, 08:32:16 PM
McM splits with the Choctaws today. (http://www.gochoctaws.com/sports/baseball/2007/teamstat.htm#MCVSMCM1)

Nick Schafer pitches a complete game 2 hitter for a 1-0 win in the opener.  MC wins the nightcap 5-3.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 04, 2007, 08:48:22 PM
Quote from: Bearkat00 on March 02, 2007, 03:52:15 PM
BTW - I am going to be at the UTT - TLU game.  Pretty excited about watching two top notch programs go at it.  Give you the details tomorrow!

I was busy Friday, but I was hoping to make it over for Saturday's game, but no such luck.  I heard some things though so tell me if you agree with any Bearkat.

- UT Tyler is the better team at this point in the season.
- Texas Lutheran was pretty competitive on Saturday playing two very close games (and having a chance to win in both), despite not having their best player SS Jake Kaase in the lineup.
- UT Tyler is as deep as anyone in D3 on the mound with a very good bullpen and any number of guys they can go to.
- That the umpiring seemed to favor UT Tyler quite a bit (even expanded zones until the third game with Besa on the bump).
- UT Tyler's coach was bunting in the bottom of the 8th up nine runs in the first game.
- Copeland played well, but Damewood (along with Elizondo) might be better hitters in the ASC East.
- UT Tyler's score keeper called a LOT of errors hits including 4-5 that were hit to Kendall Fox, but that both teams looked pretty vulernable defensively eventhough the boxscores don't necessarily show that.

This stuff came from visiting with a Tyler supporter (believe it or not) and a neutral observer.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 04, 2007, 08:55:50 PM
Schreiner 7 - East Texas Baptist 5

STORY:
http://www.etbu.edu/Current+Athletic+News/sports_item.htm?SportsID=1221

BOXSCORE:
http://www2.etbu.edu/content/sports/baseball/030207.htm#GAME.NCA

Concordia 7 - Ozarks 4
Ozarks 14 - Concordia 10

STORY:
http://www.ozarks.edu/athletics/news/news_story.asp?iNewsID=1695&strBack=%2Fathletics%2FDefault%2Easp

UTD Sweeps Hardin-Simmons

http://cometsports.utdallas.edu/NEWS/BASE/0303hsu.htm

Still tough to get a grasp on what to expect from the ASC this year.

I'm going to try and get some Just Some Guy's Regional Rankings out by Tuesday evening. We'll see.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on March 05, 2007, 09:55:39 AM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on March 04, 2007, 08:48:22 PM
Quote from: Bearkat00 on March 02, 2007, 03:52:15 PM
BTW - I am going to be at the UTT - TLU game.  Pretty excited about watching two top notch programs go at it.  Give you the details tomorrow!

- UT Tyler is the better team at this point in the season.
- Texas Lutheran was pretty competitive on Saturday playing two very close games (and having a chance to win in both), despite not having their best player SS Jake Kaase in the lineup.
- UT Tyler is as deep as anyone in D3 on the mound with a very good bullpen and any number of guys they can go to.
- That the umpiring seemed to favor UT Tyler quite a bit (even expanded zones until the third game with Besa on the bump).
- UT Tyler's coach was bunting in the bottom of the 8th up nine runs in the first game.
- Copeland played well, but Damewood (along with Elizondo) might be better hitters in the ASC East.
- UT Tyler's score keeper called a LOT of errors hits including 4-5 that were hit to Kendall Fox, but that both teams looked pretty vulernable defensively eventhough the boxscores don't necessarily show that


-There is no doubt that UT-Tyler is the better team up and down the line-up.  The scary thing is I only think UT-Tyler is going to get better.  While I don't think that first game of the series was a testament of how good TLU really is, I do think that UTTYLER is the best team in the conference. 

-Losing Kaase is a huge blow to TLU and I think that if he is in the line-up on Sat., TLU gets one of those games.  Not taking anything away from UTT, but I really feel he is the heart of that team.  He left in the 8th inning of Friday's game. 

-Tyler's pitching staff is amazing.  They have two aces in Campbell and Holland and two closers that were bringing it in the mid to low 90's.  It's crazy, but there are more guys on the bench who could probably be #1 starters for a lot of teams in our conference. 

-Home field advantage.  Scorekeeping and umpiring, but that's not what won or lost the game for UTT.  They were the better team this weekend.  That's not to say that TLU doesn't sweep them at their place, it's just this week I think UTT was more pumped up about this game than TLU.  That's always going to be scorekeeping issues, just ask any SID, espically when the individaul is bias.  I've done scorekeeping for my team before, and a couple of times I gave our players hits when it could've gone either way. 

-No one likes it when coaches bunt with a 8 run lead, but he was looking at it as TLU has a powerful offense and every run counts.  To show you how important this game was, Coach Vlade brought in his closer into the game with an 8 run lead to shut them down.  While I don't neccasirly agree with bunting, however there is some logic to it.  I think against a team like LETU, you wouldn't bunt with an eight run lead.  I've played against him and he really is a good dude, just very competitive. 

-Copeland, while he is an amazing talent and probably a top 5 player on the East side, isn't the best player in conference right now.  I really hate saying any player is the best conference b/c it's all about who is consistent over a 40 game season.  I would say any Coach would love to have Copeland on his team, but it's early to say who the best player in conference is. 

UTT played with a lot of passion this weekend, something I haven't seen from this team in their first 5+ years of playing ball.  It's a shame they can't play in the tournament this year b/c I'd like to see what they can do on the National stage.  TLU is going to be fine and I don't think that UTT is so much better than them that they would get swept.  Once they lost Kaase, it seemed that they lost a step to their game. 

Just my opinion. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on March 05, 2007, 06:00:07 PM
LETU - 6
HPU - 0
Game 1

LETU - Wolfers goes the distance with a complete game shutout.  Cravalho gets clutch 2 out, basesloaded hit to seal the deal.

HPU - 9
LETU - 1

LETU - held to 1 hit through 9 innings, however, 8 BB's and 5 HBP provide plenty of baserunners.  LETU played brutal in the field. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 10, 2007, 09:14:30 AM
Congratulations to Coach Lee Driggers on getting his 300th win last night over SRSU, 9-1.

Clint Johnston got the complete game, allowing one run on 6 hits!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 10, 2007, 12:13:30 PM
CUA 14, Schreiner 7

Miller strikes out 10 and walks 3 in a 6-earned-run complete game. And no, I don't know why Miller was left in for all 9. Looking at the box score I would've thought Coach would have used a reliever or two, but that's just nitpicking. :P

At the plate, Jacobs went 1-of-3 with 3 walks and Thielepape went 3-of-6.

Wish I was in Kerrville for the DH today.....
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on March 12, 2007, 11:42:28 AM
UTTyler sweeps MC

LA College takes 2 of 3 from LETU.

LETU gets Game 1 on a walk-off Grand Slam by Soph RF Ed Hurta to win the game.  LA College comes back on Sat. to sweet the DH pretty handily. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 13, 2007, 10:54:22 AM
Concordia is off to a pretty good start. Damn this next weekend against TLU is going to be huge.







Member of the only ASC team to go to the World Series in Wisconsin!

Concordia (02)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on March 14, 2007, 11:16:53 AM
LETU Splits with Wiley

Game 1
Wiley - 6
LETU - 2

Wiley scores 5 unearned runs on 4 LETU errors.  Freshman Kaminski throws a complete game and pitched very well

Game 2
LETU - 7
Wiley - 6

LETU scores 4 runs in the bottom of the 7th for a comeback win, capped off by a 3 run homer by Soph. Hybner.  Senior Caleb Melbom gets his 1st win of the season with a 2 2/3 innings pitched in relief. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 16, 2007, 11:42:16 AM
Texas Lutheran finally got their game schedule for Monday in yesterday and won 10-9 in extra innings over a Concordia Seward team that was 0-11. They emptied out the bullpen one day before taking on conference foe Concordia-Austin in what will be a HUGE series for both teams. They used seven pitchers including who I believe is their closer, Conley, 3.1 IP. Also SP Kyle Newman (who didn't get out of the 1st inning against HSU) entered the game and walked a batter and hit a batter.

SS Jake Kaase went 3-5 elevating his average to .492
C Josh Moreno and RF Ryan Nokelby also added 3 hits a piece.
1B Jason Foley was 2-3 w/ 3 walks

Some_Guy

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 16, 2007, 07:19:19 PM
Howard Payne 5 - Schreiner 3

WP: Davies 9 IP, 9 H, 3 R, 1 ER, 10 SO
LP Armijo 1.2 IP, 6 H, 4 ER

1B Cable and RF Langston had 2 hits a piece for SU
CF Kasey Black was 4-4 and DH Kyle Lloyd was 2-4 in the win for HPU
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 16, 2007, 07:32:03 PM
Texas Lutheran 5 - Concordia 1

WP: Daniel Besa (5-0) 7 IP, 10 H, 1 ER, 2 Ks
LP: Jonathon Miller (3-2) 7 IP, 9 H, 5 R, 3 ER, 7 Ks

C Bill Mitchell was 3-4 and 3B Steven Szkotak was 2-3 with 2 walks in the loss
3B Joseph Brade was 2-3, 2 RBI, HR and Josh Moreno was 2-4 w/ 2 RBI for TLU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 17, 2007, 01:16:40 AM
Some other ASC games from late:

McMurry 14 - Hardin-Simmons 0 (shutting out that offense is impressive)
LeTourneau 8 - Mississippi 5 (bit of a surprise)
Ozarks 8 - ETBU 3
UT Dallas 14 - La College 12
UT Dallas 9 - La College 4
UMHB 17 - Sul Ross 7


Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 17, 2007, 09:08:01 PM
McMurry 11 - Hardin-Simmons 5
McMurry 14 - Hardin-Simmons 8 (McMurry sweeps series 3-0)

Texas Lutheran 2 - Concordia 0
Texas Lutheran 7 - Concordia 4 (TLU sweeps series 3-0)

Howard Payne 14 - Schreiner 3
Howard Payne 5 - Schreiner 3 (HPU sweeps series 3-0)

UMHB 8 - Sul Ross 1
UMHB 11 - Sul Ross 1 (UMHB sweeps series 3-0)


UT Dallas 1 - La College 0 (UTD sweeps series 3-0)

Mississippi 6 - LeTourneau 2
Mississippi 11  - LeTourneau 7 (Miss takes series 2-1)

Ozarks 6 - East Texas Baptist 3
Ozarks 7 - ETBU 6 (Ozarks sweeps series 3-0)

UT Tyler moves to 20-0 on the year...

Some_Guy


Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 17, 2007, 09:34:12 PM
The good news for McMurry with the HSU-TLU ppd/cancellation is that it temporarily puts McM 1 and 1/2 games ahead in the win column.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 17, 2007, 09:35:09 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 17, 2007, 09:34:12 PM
The good news for McMurry with the HSU-TLU ppd/cancellation is that it temporarily puts McM 1 and 1/2 games ahead in the win column.

It also looks like McM can get quality outings from Johnston, Schafer and Curry at the 20-game point in the season.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on March 19, 2007, 10:22:56 AM
Looks like LETU is going to put up a better fight on the season than originally thought.  Grabbing a win on the road against a quality MC team, though I know this isn't the same team they've had in the past, is huge for the young 'Jackets.  Coach Harriss has done miracles with this team.  Currently sitting at 8-14, many people in the LETU circles are pleased with that record.  Last year's coach resigned in the middle of recruiting season and note, not ONE, player was recruited for this year's team.  LETU has only 2 true outfielders and 1 true starting pitcher who has the talent to play at the collegiate level.  I am not saying that the Jackets are world beaters, or they are going to win the conference, just giving Coach Harriss and his young team props for what they've done so far.  Only have 14 guys on your team, in a tough ASC Conference, he has really done wonders for this team.  One guy who should get some postseason awards look is Soph RF Ed Hurta, who is hitting over .300, has also picked up wins against LC and MC this year.  Last year Hurta was only used in the closer role and for him to step up like this says wonders about his talent level.

Please don't think I am trying to say that LETU is on the verge of being title contenders, I just feel that they deserve props for what they've done this season in a sense of being able to go out there and competiting.  I honestly wouldn't be suprised if they hand UTT and UTD a lose in their upcoming series with them.  Of course, I also wouldn't be suprised if they get swept as well ;)

Beautfiul weather for baseball last weekend over here in the East Texas area.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 23, 2007, 10:07:18 PM
McMurry leads TLU 10-9 in the top of the 7th.  TLU picked up 4 runs in the 7th.  TLU has been picking up hits deep into the count.

McMurry got to TLU's Besa early and Johnston for McMurry went into the 7th (I believe).

Fielding has been a problem.  McMurry has 4 errors and TLU, 2.

Yager is on the mound for the Bulldogs and faces Voorhees (0-3) to start the inning, then Casey and Jones.  Voorhees, deep fly out to left.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 23, 2007, 10:30:41 PM
Yager got out of the inning on 0 runs, 1 hit and 1 LOB, in the bottom of the 7th.  McM 10, TLU 9.

In the TLU 8th the leadoff walk to Ryan Nokelby by Grayson Lee.  McM's Hank Casey relieves.  Scott Matocha bunts foul, takes a ball, then bunts foul off his face (ouch), takes a ball, takes a ball, then swigning strike 3, but Nokelby steals second.  Kaase RBI single who advances on the throw home. base   Brade flies to RF with no advance by the runner.   Kaase advances on a passed ball.  Jason Foley out 5-3.
1 run on a walk and a single and 1 LOB.  Tied at 10 going to the bottom of the 8th.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 23, 2007, 10:41:06 PM
McM-- Joseph Cervantes coaxed a a 2-strike 2-out walk off Yager.  Franco, who had a 2-run homer earlier of Besa is hit by a pitch.  TLU's Coach Miller pulls the pitcher.  2 outs and tied at 10 with runners on 1st and 2nd.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 23, 2007, 10:47:49 PM
Coach Miller brings his closer, RHP Robert Conley, to face Derek David.

The sidearm pitcher hits the outside corner, misses on the outside and the inside, hits the outside corner.  2 balls, 2 strikes, 2 on and 2 out, passed ball to fill the count as the runners advance. David walks.  TLU's Catcher Josh Moreno gets the pop foul.  McMurry leaves the bases full.  We go to the ninth tied at 10.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 23, 2007, 10:58:31 PM
TLU's DH Mat Moore is up.  Voorhees gets the pop fly.  Catcher Moreno is caught looking on an 0-2.  Opheim gets on a bobble by the shortstop, their 5th error of the game. Obanion is the 9th batter in the order.  Opheim steals second, but Obanion strikes out on a bad pitch.  0 Runs, 0 Hits 1 Error and 1 LOB.  McMurry Pitcher Hank Casey leads off the bottom of the 9th.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 23, 2007, 11:04:33 PM
In the McM 9th, Hank Casey goes down, 4-3.  Lance Jones, 6-3. RF George Whitten, a single to left.  Catcher Thomas Beckham grounds out to end the inning.  0 Runs, 1 Hit, and 1 LOB.  Going to the 10th, tied at 10.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 23, 2007, 11:18:35 PM
TLU gets 2 runs in the top of the 10th.  The Bulldogs have scored the last 7 runs as their bullpen (Austin Yager and Robert Conley) has shut down the McMurry offense.  TLU leads 12-10.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 23, 2007, 11:25:02 PM
Conley faces 2B Evan Reece the ninth batter in the order and gets him to strike out after being down 3-0.  Cervantes (at the top of order) gets the infield single.  Franco is out at first.  Derek David grounds out to end the game.

TLU shut down the #3 and #4 batters, no hits tonight.  Final score TLU 12, McM 10.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 24, 2007, 07:47:34 PM
I just caught the end of the TLU-McM game.

TLU won the first game of the DH 8-5 in extra innings.

TLU's Adam Enloe picked up the complete game victory in the second game by getting the go-ahead run to ground out "3 unassisted" to win the 3-1.

Strong performances by both teams, but it looks like TLU has the inside track from here on out.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on March 27, 2007, 05:02:48 PM
Anybody think that UT-Tyler can go through the season undefeated?  I don't think it will happen, but it is definitely an interesting story line to keep track of.  Their series with UT-Dallas should be very exciting.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 27, 2007, 05:20:05 PM
gccfan, who else on the East is having a good year?

Right now, who are your Top 4 for the tourney, aside from UT-Tyler?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 27, 2007, 07:54:11 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 27, 2007, 05:20:05 PM
gccfan, who else on the East is having a good year?

Right now, who are your Top 4 for the tourney, aside from UT-Tyler?

Didn't ask me, but I'll bite.

The East only has seven teams and with UT Tyler not eligible you're looking at 4 teams of the 6 making it.  Mississippi College isn't playing well, but there's no way that I think they finish below LeTourneau or East Texas Baptist.  LeTourneau's improving and ETBU lost a lot of good players with the ordeal they had last year.

I'll say #1 UT Dallas, #2 La College, #3 Ozarks (surprise), #4 Mississippi College. In the West I never thought I would say that Hardin Simmons wasn't going to make it but they've certainly dug themselves quite a hole and their pitching is a lot weaker than I thought it would be. I'll go with #1. Texas Lutheran, #2 McMurry, #3 Concordia-Austin, #4 Mary-Hardin Baylor.

Some_Guy
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on March 28, 2007, 11:07:39 AM
Is there any trugh to the rumor that Denver is joining the ASC? I cannot even imagine the travel involved in that roap trip.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on March 28, 2007, 11:20:51 AM
University of Denver?

Wow, I don't know anything inside but I'd be very surprised, considering they just hired Princeton's basketball coach, albeit a possibly about to be canned one.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 28, 2007, 12:19:32 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on March 28, 2007, 11:07:39 AM
Is there any trugh to the rumor that Denver is joining the ASC? I cannot even imagine the travel involved in that roap trip.
I have not heard anything of the like.

University of Denver is a D1 school that won the Frozen Four (http://denverpioneers.cstv.com/ot/05-m-hockey-ncaa-champs.html) in 2005.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 28, 2007, 12:22:55 PM
The only UD down here is University of Dallas.  They left the ASC in 2001.

It will take a major re-assessment by UDallas to re-join the ASC.  The completion of the expansion by the SCAC to its current 12-team alignment must have had significant impact inside the UD brain trust.

UDallas added a Phi Beta Kappa chapter, was unable to add club football in 2003, earned a Pool B in basketball in 2004, added women's lacrosse in 2006 and since has tried to raise the profile of its sports.

I am certain that they do not want to go against UT-Tyler in a conference.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on March 28, 2007, 12:29:30 PM
Ralph, my top four would be the same as Just Some Guy's.  I would like to think that LeTourneau could sneak in, but they just are not deep enough and I just don't know if they can take 2-of-3 from anyone other than ETBU which is what they would need to do to make it.  I like LC better than ozarks because of Grant Wilson.  He is going to beat most teams.  I have not really followed the West much this year and the only team I saw was Howard Payne who I wasn't realy impressed with.

As far as Dallas rejoining, I really don't see that happening unless they would get a new athletic director. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on March 28, 2007, 12:30:23 PM
I have another question?  If UTT was eligible, where do you all think they would be ranked?  I would say they couldn't be lower than 4th right now.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 01, 2007, 04:33:35 PM
McM 8

UMHB 4-7-2; (2 doubles)

Nick Schafer gets the compete game (7 innings).  Schafer gave up 4 runs in the first inning and then held the Cru scoreless for the rest of the game.  McM scored 6 in the 6th.

Chase Beyrand gets the loss in relief.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 01, 2007, 07:22:47 PM
UMHB 15, McM 8;  UMHB scores 12 unanswered runs.

Zack Tumlinson gets the win in relief.

Game 3 tomorrow.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on April 03, 2007, 10:33:42 AM
A change in the LeTourneau schedule.  Their schedule originally had them playing Ozarks Friday and Saturday.  They will be playing on Thursday at 2 and Friday at noon instead.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 04, 2007, 02:01:01 AM
Texas Wesleyan breaks a 5-5 tie in the top of the 9th to take a 7-5 win (http://www.reporter-news.com/abil/sp_local/article/0,1874,ABIL_8006_5462845,00.html).

McMurry goes to the deep bullpen for the game, having played a critical 3-game series against UMHB on Sunday and Monday.  Coach Driggers used 5 pitchers who had only 15 appearances in the previous 28 games.

Texas Wesleyan (http://www.txwes.edu/athletics/news0607/040307bb2.htm) used 3 pitchers who had 45 innings in 31 appearances this year.  Hayden Lackey picked up his 9th save of the year for the Rams.

McMurry has a 3-game series with Schreiner on Thursday and Friday.

TWU improves to 24-4 on the season.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 05, 2007, 01:30:18 PM
Inspired by a discussion as to awards being given due to merit or team perception from the beginning of the season, I did a little study to see who the most productive pitcher has been in the ASC this season. I ranked all pitchers with more than 40 IP (had to put some limit in, and it seemed reasonable) in the following categories: ERA, K/9, BB/9, K/BB ratio, and HR/9. This was in order to avoid as much as possible the effect defense has on a lot of pitching stats. Points were awarded as 21 (the number of pitchers) for first, 20 for second, etc. Total points determined the rank. Here's the top 5 from each division, with name, team, points, and innings pitched. I'll message the whole list to anyone interested. Oh, and no HPU or SU pitchers were involved as I couldn't get HR info for their pitchers.

EAST
1) R. Campbell, UTT - 100 (51.2)
2) S. Ashley, MC - 86 (49.1)
3) G. Wilson, LC - 78 (45.2)
4) M. Cox, UTD - 63 (49.2)
5) D. Waggoner - 62 (40.0)

WEST
1) J. Miller, CUA - 88 (60.0 - leads ASC)
2) C. Johnston, MCM - 86 (45.2)
3) C. Curry, MCM - 67 (50.2)
4) S. Szkotak, CUA - 66 (55.1)
5) D. Besa, TLU - 54 (45.2)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on April 05, 2007, 09:02:07 PM
Great stuff! +K

The way you did it, I'm not sure I would have included ERA at all. But it's probably fine. Did K/BB ratio end up looking much the same as a combination of the K/9 and BB/9 would have?

Keep in mind that the pitchers didn't face the same schedules...but nonetheless this is awesome work.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 05, 2007, 10:31:07 PM
Schreiner 4-8 McM 3-7.  Single game tomorrow. (http://athletics.schreiner.edu/baseball/News/2007/40507mcmBB.htm)

These losses hurt!  Bad!  :-\
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 06, 2007, 12:27:11 AM
Lot of shake ups on the West side of the ASC this Thursday.  Schreiner and Hardin-Simmons do their best to keep themselves in the playoff picture. The current #2, #3, and #4 seeds all dropped games today.

Texas Lutheran def. Mary-Hardin Baylor
Schreiner taking two from McMurry
Hardin-Simmons def. Concordia

Any predictions on how the west shakes out Ralph?

In other ASC news UT Tyler remains undefeated shutting out a team averaging what (ten runs per game?) Also. There seems to be an all out battle for those #3 and #4 seeds in the East with LeTourneau taking a game from Ozarks.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 06, 2007, 12:30:47 AM
Looking at the schedules, I'm not sure that I completely count out Hardin-Simmons yet. If they take another from Concordia tomorrow their final two series are Howard Payne and Sul Ross and it's POSSIBLE they could sweep those two series. Concordia on the other hand has McMurry and a scrappy UMHB team.  It's been fun watching this year with both UMHB and Schreiner being much improved teams and really helping to shake things up in the West. On the last weekend, Concordia vs. UMHB cold have HUGE playoff implications.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 06, 2007, 06:38:25 PM
McMurry's Nick Schafer (http://athletics.schreiner.edu/baseball/Results%2007/040607bb.htm) played stopper today.

He gave up one run in 7 innings.  Curry came in to relieve in the bottom of the 8th, trailing 4-1 and got the last 6 outs.  McMurry scored its 5th run in the top of the 9th.

Altho' the box score is a little messed up, why doesn't Curry get a save for coming into a 4-1 game and pitching the last 6 outs of scoreless ball?

Final score: McM 5, Schreiner 1.

McM is now 9-6 in the West.

Schreiner is 6-9.

CUA is 8-7 thru the first game; HSU is 7-7.

I have no predictions!  Those 2 one-run losses really hurt McMurry!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 06, 2007, 06:44:11 PM
HSU picks up the first game vs CUA 6-3 (http://athletics.concordia.edu/baseball/cua-32.htm).

HSU 15-4 (http://athletics.concordia.edu/baseball/cua-33.htm) in the nightcap for the sweep!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 06, 2007, 07:37:30 PM
UMHB 6-0, TLU 1-10.  TLU wins the series 2 games to one on the split DH.

TLU is 12-2*.  they travel to SRSU next weekend and finish hosting Schreiner.
MHB is 10-5 and (errata) does not own the tie-breaker over McMurry. They host Schreiner and then go to CUA.  (Own tie-breakers: HPU, SRSU, HSU)
McM is 9-6 and host CUA then finish at HPU. (Tie breakers: HSU, SRSU, UMHB)
CUA is 8-7 and go to McMurry then host UMHB. (Tie-breakers: HPU, SRSU, Schr)
HSU is 7-7* and host HPU before going to SRSU. (Tie-breaker: CUA)
Schr is 6-9 and hosts UMHB and TLU.  They must run the table. (Tie-breaker: McM)

Remember the TLU at HSU rain-out!

Let me think about this one!  :-\ ???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on April 06, 2007, 09:14:34 PM
Hardin-Simmons is looking to be in a pretty good spot there.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 07, 2007, 01:07:59 AM
I think 12 wins might end up being the magic number in the West. I think CUA is the team in the most trouble right now. I feel like Schreiner could steal one from TLU, but that they the likelihood of them (TLU) not getting 16 conference wins is VERY slim... they're in. I have to believe that HSU wins at least 5 of their remainding six and finishes 12-8. I think UMHB's sweep of HSU will get them in. Even if they only win 3 of their remaining 6 they're 13-8 which should be fine. I don't believe McMurry will do any worse than splitting their remaining 6 either leaving them at 12-9. CUA has a tough McMurry team on the road before hosting a pretty offensively talented UMHB team. (Speaking of which, why didn't Pearce throw this weekend?) If Concordia splits, 11-10 won't get them in.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 07, 2007, 12:49:25 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on April 07, 2007, 01:07:59 AM
I think 12 wins might end up being the magic number in the West. I think CUA is the team in the most trouble right now. I feel like Schreiner could steal one from TLU, but that they the likelihood of them (TLU) not getting 16 conference wins is VERY slim... they're in. I have to believe that HSU wins at least 5 of their remainding six and finishes 12-8. I think UMHB's sweep of HSU will get them in. Even if they only win 3 of their remaining 6 they're 13-8 which should be fine. I don't believe McMurry will do any worse than splitting their remaining 6 either leaving them at 12-9. CUA has a tough McMurry team on the road before hosting a pretty offensively talented UMHB team. (Speaking of which, why didn't Pearce throw this weekend?) If Concordia splits, 11-10 won't get them in.

I think that you are right about 12 wins.

McMurry is fighting to host the first round!  With UMHB owning the tie-breaker, they are effectively 1 1/2 games behind UMHB.    MY Bad!  McMurry won the UMHB series 2 games to 1.  Therefore, UMHB is only a "3/4" game lead of McMurry.  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 07, 2007, 10:10:51 PM
With only two series left who is beginning to emerge as the ASC Player of the Year? Pitcher of the Year?

Recall that Preseason was Brad Coleman (HSU) and Dalton Rucker (HSU) for the West and Clay Copeland (UTT) and Andrew Cantrell (ETBU).

I'll toss some names out to get some discussion going. Quite a few more than I would probably legitimately consider, but figured it wouldn't hurt to spark the dicussion and see if we couldn't get most of the teams represented in some fashion.

Player EAST:
SS Kendall Fox (UTT)
1B Brett Amyx (UTT)
2B Brett Rosen (UTD)
CF Mitch Elliott (UTD)
SS Jody Britt (MISS)
OF John Glenn (Ozarks)

Pitcher EAST:
I guess you could mention Finnell (Ozarks) and G. Wilson (La College) here, but I don't know that you could justify not picking either SP Ryan Campbell (UTT) or RP Nate Jennings (UTT)

Player WEST:
DH Taylor Gibbs (HSU)
OF Michael Simpson (HSU)
SS Jacob Kaase (TLU)
1B Brent Vorhees (McM)
2B Weston Franco (McM)
OF Jeremiah Kester (Schreiner)
1B Steven Reinlie (UMHB)
OF Joseph Villegas (UMHB)
C/2B Adam Froeschl (UMHB)

Pitcher WEST:
Daniel Besa (TLU)
Robert Conley (TLU)
Adam Enloe (TLU)
Colton Hermes (Schreiner)
Nick Schaffer (McM)
Jonathon Miller (CUA)
Matt Aubry (CUA)

Some_Guy
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on April 09, 2007, 01:28:41 AM
UT-TYler swept UTD this last weekend, and all the games were won rather handily.  THe final game was 11-8, but was never as close as the score indicates.

Watch out for UTT next season, i know they have quite a few seniors this year but they will reload.  Pay attention, if u look at their roster, to how many players are transfers from junior colleges.  Juco talent can come in and fill some holes in a big hurry, and Vilade is good at getting that type of player.

Also, on a little side note I have noticed that 85-90% of the players for UTT come from the dallas metroplex area.  Obviously there is talent abound in a city that large in Texas, but all these guys coming out to Tyler to play baseball has to be upsetting and disheartening for Dallas area D3 schools like UTD, and UDallas.  Id imagine that they are tired of hearing "Sorry coach, but I've already committed to play for UTTyler next season."

Remaining conference schedule for UTT is 3 vs LeTU and 3 vs LC.  WIth the weak nonconference schedule, there is a good chance that UTTyler can finish the season undefeated.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 09, 2007, 08:26:31 PM
Quote from: tloc14 on April 09, 2007, 01:28:41 AM
...
Also, on a little side note I have noticed that 85-90% of the players for UTT come from the dallas metroplex area.  Obviously there is talent abound in a city that large in Texas, but all these guys coming out to Tyler to play baseball has to be upsetting and disheartening for Dallas area D3 schools like UTD, and UDallas.  Id imagine that they are tired of hearing "Sorry coach, but I've already committed to play for UTTyler next season."
...
tloc, you bring up several comments in that post.

Yes there is talent in Dallas, but the need only to find the best 6-8 baseball players per year is all that UT-Tyler seeks.

There is a big difference between UT-Dallas and UT-Tyler.

There used to be an old Texas joke that a student flunked out of school A and enrolled in school B and raised the academic standing in both schools.  It is not too preposterous to apply that to UT-Dallas and UT-Tyler.

The questions about Tyler include:

what is the nature of their financial aid profiles?  Is the "state money" making it prohibitive to recruit against UT-Tyler?

how do the admission profiles compare between UT-Tyler and the other members of the ASC?

what is the financial commitment from the UT system to UT-Tyler?  Does it match the mission and vision of the ASC?  Or is it more like UT-Permian Basin or schools in the Texas A&M System like Commerce, Kingsville and West Texas A&M?

There is a huge difference between UDallas, a "Catholic University for Independent Thinkers" with its Phi Beta Kappa Chapter and liberal arts curriculum, and UT-Tyler.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on April 09, 2007, 11:00:03 PM
definately a huge difference in the admissions standards between UDallas and UTT, there is no questioning that.  UTD and UTT are similar.  UTD is more an engineering school whereas UTT is more nursing and business.  I think that UTD has slightly stricter academic standards and may be a more difficult school, but it isnt by much.  Its certainly not like comparing UD and UTT, thats for sure.

Differences aside, i know that these schools recruit the same type of players.  The fact that there is alot of competition between them and that one school seems to get a majority of those players still has to be frustrating to the other coaches.  Thats all im really saying.   Upon rechecking the roster i found that my "85-90%" was way off.  Its more like 80% of the starters.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on April 10, 2007, 07:52:34 AM
UT Dallas
25th percentile -- SAT math 590, SAT critical reading 550, ACT comp 24
75th percentile -- SAT math 690, SAT critical reading 670, ACT comp 29

UT Tyler
25th percentile -- SAT math 480, SAT critical reading 470, ACT comp 20
75th percentile -- SAT math 580, SAT critical reading 570, ACT comp 25

University of Dallas
25th percentile -- SAT math 540, SAT critical reading 560, ACT comp 24
75th percentile -- SAT math 650, SAT critical reading 690, ACT comp 29

A darned useful site for this sort of thing...
http://nces.ed.gov/ipeds/cool/

I just looked these up...I didn't have any idea about any of the schools.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 10, 2007, 08:26:33 AM
Quote from: Spence on April 10, 2007, 07:52:34 AM
UT Dallas
25th percentile -- SAT math 590, SAT critical reading 550, ACT comp 24
75th percentile -- SAT math 690, SAT critical reading 670, ACT comp 29

UT Tyler
25th percentile -- SAT math 480, SAT critical reading 470, ACT comp 20
75th percentile -- SAT math 580, SAT critical reading 570, ACT comp 25

University of Dallas
25th percentile -- SAT math 540, SAT critical reading 560, ACT comp 24
75th percentile -- SAT math 650, SAT critical reading 690, ACT comp 29

A darned useful site for this sort of thing...
http://nces.ed.gov/ipeds/cool/

I just looked these up...I didn't have any idea about any of the schools.
Thanks, Spence. +1 for the reference!

If that means that a student can be in the top one-quarter of the class at UT-Tyler versus the bottom one-quarter of the class at UT-Dallas or UDallas, then that difference is very big in terms of the academic aid program that the student-athlete can get relative to his/her peers.  Perhaps he/she is getting an "academic" scholarship that defers much of the tuition at UT-Tyler.  UT-Dallas cannot do that.  Coach Vilade is certainly a veteran at identifying students whose testing criteria fit nicely into those parameters and have an 88-92 MPH fast ball and .425 high school batting average as well.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on April 10, 2007, 11:06:12 PM
April 10 final.


Texas Tech  17

HSU   6

Long time since the Cowboys and Red Raiders tangled.  (Both teams had "rain-outs" so decided to play each other.)  Keeping in shape for the Yellow Jackets.   ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on April 11, 2007, 11:18:00 AM
Without having seen UTT or UTD this year I can really only talk about the Best of the Rest in the East.  LC's Grant Wilson was the best pitcher I saw, definitely better than Finnell.  However, I would definitely vote for a UT-Tyler P to win.  Offensively, Kendall Fox has had an awesome year, granted he is in a great lineup, but he seems to be the table setter.  An underrated guy this year is Trent Elizondo from UTD, he just keeps on hitting.  I think as a sophomore me was the East player of the year.  He hasn't gotten any worse and isn't really even a thought in the MVP poll.  I think this shows how the strength of the conference has improved a lot in the last few years.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 11, 2007, 01:52:53 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on April 07, 2007, 10:10:51 PM
Pitcher WEST:
Daniel Besa (TLU)
Robert Conley (TLU)
Adam Enloe (TLU)
Colton Hermes (Schreiner)
Nick Schaffer (McM)
Jonathan Miller (CUA)
Matt Aubry (CUA)

I think Miller deserves a good long look for this. Last I checked, he led the league in both strikeouts and IP (meaning that lineups are seeing him 3-4 times a game, and still whiffing), and he's been crazy stingy with walks for a strikeout guy.

Aubry...he's done a good job closing out games for us, and he has the potential to be a shut-down reliever, IMO, but I just don't think giving the Pitcher of they Year award to a 25-30 inning pitcher is a good idea. It's too easy to post good numbers due to luck/small sample size.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 11, 2007, 02:53:15 PM
Round 2 of the pitcher rankings. I swapped WHIP for K/BB, since using K/BB with K/9 and BB/9 was rewarding pitchers for the same thing twice. Also, since there are now around 30-40 pitchers with 40+ IP, the points changed to 20 for 1st on down until 0 points for everyone below 20th place in a stat. All the pitchers were ranked together, so you can see an ASC-wide ranking. Now, the top 10's from each division.

ASC West
J. Miller, CUA - 72 (67.0 IP)
C. Johnston, MCM - 65 (54.0)
A. Enloe, TLU - 56 (45.2)
N. Schafer, MCM - 49 (50.2)
C. Curry, MCM - 47 (52.2)
S. Szkotak, CUA - 46 (61.0)
R. Garza, UMHB - 45 (46.2)
M. Otero, SRSU - 22 (51.0)
D. Besa, TLU - 20 (51.2)
E. Morrison, CUA - 18 (54.1)

ASC East
R. Campbell, UTT - 92 (60.2)
B. Booher, UTT - 74 (44.0)
S. Ashley, MC - 72 (50.1)
B. Holland, UTT - 65 (40.1)
G. Wilson, LC - 57 (52.2)
R. Finnell, UO - 35 (44.0)
T. Williams, MC - 35 (42.1)
M. Cox, UTD - 31 (56.1)
T. Koch, UO - 29 (45.0)
D. Waggoner, UTD - 24 (43.2)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on April 11, 2007, 05:32:18 PM
Elizondo from UTD has been a good hitter for them for a few years now.  I dont know if he has won any awards like player of the year, but he certainly deserves some recognition and consideration because he is the anchor of that lineup.

Nice info about the 3 schools' academics by the way.  Those are standardized tests and dont necessarily give exact information upon the intelligence of individual students, but since every school uses those exams in some way to evaluate potential students they are relevent numbers.

Ive heard UT-T is starting to become more picky about the students they accept also.  This is a recent thing, and probably the result of information similar to what Spence found.  I cannot speak for UTD or UD because I am relatively unfamiliar with each school, but UTT recently (within the last decade or so) switched from a graduate only school to a full undergrad program.  I think the low admission standards reflect the goal of the university to grow.  UTT is the fastest growing UT school by enrollment percentage.  Now that the university is growing at a satisfactory rate, I would not be suprised to see UTT begin to apply more strict admissions standards, probably very similar to the standards set by other UT system schools.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 12, 2007, 11:34:56 AM
Quote from: tloc14 on April 11, 2007, 05:32:18 PM
Elizondo from UTD has been a good hitter for them for a few years now. 

Yeah, but (and this is an honest question) how many have been singles? I understand he's been hitting in the .350-.370 range or so since he showed up, but here's the thing.

Would you rather have someone who hit .370/.400/.450 (AVG/OBP/SLG) or someone who hit .300/.410/.550. The first guy is all singles, which has its value to be sure, but the other guy (not someone I have in mind, just a hypothetical player) has good plate vision and discipline and hits for power in addition to a good average. Batter #2 is the better one, IMO.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on April 12, 2007, 01:55:41 PM
Well you probably know about OPS (OBP+SLG).

Here's something I like better. From hardballtimes.com (it's on wikipedia too I think)

Gross Production Average, a variation of OPS, but more accurate and easier to interpret. The exact formula is (OBP*1.8+SLG)/4, adjusted for ballpark factor. The scale of GPA is similar to BA: .200 is lousy, .265 is around average and .300 is a star. (Note: This is for MLB.)

Basically some folks did some figuring on how much OPS underemphasized OBP and came up with 1.8 for a number. The division by 4 is simply to get a number that corresponds better to batting average as a reference point.

You can do it more quickly in your head by doubling OBP and just not dividing by 4. Then you just have to know that rather than undervaluing OBP by 80%, you're now overvaluing it by about 10% if the work the stat is based on was accurate.

I like it. Don Schaly actually used to compute OBP as a function of the total times on base, be it by error or whatever other way you can get on base that doesn't cost your team an out. His thinking was if you're on base, you're a potential run however you got there. Maybe it was because of a mistake by the other team, but it's a mistake that putting the ball in play enabled. GPA doesn't do that exactly, but it does reinforce the importance of getting on base. Players who draw walks and don't strike out a lot do something else important...increase pitch counts.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 12, 2007, 05:53:02 PM
I never heard of that, and I'm on Baseball Prospectus whenever I can manage it. I'd thought that for a while about OPS though, since it over-emphasizes sluggers. If I had better data to work with (namely, a complete and utter lack of positions in the StatCrew-generated reports), I'd do a work-up of positional rankings based on offensive production, but without position information for everyone with, say, 100+ AB, I can't do it properly.

My personal favorite as far as all-in-one hitting stats goes is BaseRuns, but I don't recall who came up with that off-hand.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on April 12, 2007, 06:48:12 PM
NO way in the world I'm taking the time to do BaseRuns for anyone.

OPS' value is that it's quick; GPA is not quite as quick but still pretty easily estimated (2xOBP + SLG).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 13, 2007, 01:46:33 PM
I did BaseRuns per plate appearance for every hitter with 100+ AB's (excepting HPU and SU, due to lack fo pertinent data) in less than an hour. It helped that I already had a spreadsheet I could use for it. I'll update it after this weekend's games and post an overall top 10 regardless of position.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on April 13, 2007, 01:49:43 PM
You're a better, or perhaps just more bored, man than I. :)

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 13, 2007, 01:52:04 PM
more bored, or at least more easily.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on April 13, 2007, 05:33:44 PM
I believe in elizondo's case he is a power threat.  Id have to look up his stats to confirm that however.

On the flip side, the UTT player Kendall Fox is not a power guy.  He has a ton of walks.  He is a singles and doubles guy and a table setter for the bigger bats of Amex and co. that come later in the lineup.  Copeland and Goss are very similar hitters to Fox.  Both draw alot of walks and for the most part are single and double guys.

So if you are doing hitter of the year i guess its really your choice of whether you want to put more emphasis on power numbers or average. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on April 13, 2007, 10:32:48 PM
HSU 2

HPU 1

April 13, 2007
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 15, 2007, 11:53:30 AM
ASC Standings

EAST:
UT Tyler 14-0
UT Dallas 11-4
Ozarks 7-7
LA College 7-7
Mississippi 6-9
LeTourneau 3-11
ETBU 4-14

WEST:
TX Lutheran 14-3
UMHB 13-5
McMurry 11-7
Hardin Simmons 10-7
Concordia 9-9
Howard Payne 7-11
Schreiner 6-12
Sul Ross 1-17

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 15, 2007, 12:29:21 PM
Quote from: tloc14 on April 13, 2007, 05:33:44 PM
I believe in elizondo's case he is a power threat.  Id have to look up his stats to confirm that however.

On the flip side, the UTT player Kendall Fox is not a power guy.  He has a ton of walks.  He is a singles and doubles guy and a table setter for the bigger bats of Amex and co. that come later in the lineup.  Copeland and Goss are very similar hitters to Fox.  Both draw alot of walks and for the most part are single and double guys.

So if you are doing hitter of the year i guess its really your choice of whether you want to put more emphasis on power numbers or average. 

I wouldn't call Elizondo a power threat. He has 13 doubles, but only 1 home run. Did Trent deserve a mention? Yeah, probably so, but I couldn't justify putting him on the list when his teammate Brett Rosen is having the better year in my honest opinion.

Elizondo is hitting a ridiculous .456, but Rosen isn't too far behind with .439
Elizondo is slugging .565 to Rosen's .745
Elizondo's OBP is .515, but Rosen's is again close with .480
Rosen has scored 21 more runs, and has 9 more RBIs and 3 more SBs.
I think there's just been more offensive productivity out of Brett Rosen and maybe even Mitch Elliott who is hitting .388, 10 bombs, .729 SLG and 17 SBs
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 17, 2007, 08:22:01 AM
Quote from: CUAfan on April 11, 2007, 02:53:15 PM
Round 2 of the pitcher rankings. I swapped WHIP for K/BB, since using K/BB with K/9 and BB/9 was rewarding pitchers for the same thing twice. Also, since there are now around 30-40 pitchers with 40+ IP, the points changed to 20 for 1st on down until 0 points for everyone below 20th place in a stat. All the pitchers were ranked together, so you can see an ASC-wide ranking. Now, the top 10's from each division.

Any chance we're getting round three of the pitcher rankings before this weekends games?

Some_Guy
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 17, 2007, 02:38:50 PM
Probably later this afternoon/evening. I have class in an hour, and when that's done I'm planning on doing those and the BaseRuns rankings. In the meantime, here's a ranking of team speed using a slightly modified version of Bill James' Speed Score formula (formulas?). There are parts relating to SB%, SBA, GDP, R/times on base, and 3B. FYI, league average was 6.85, and it's supposed to give an answer between 1 and 10, with 1 being slowest and 10 being fastest. Remember, this isn't so much the team 40-time or anything, it's a measure more of "baseball speed", if that makes any sense.

1. MC - 8.11
2. UTT - 7.98
3. TLU - 7.85
4. UMHB - 7.48
5. SU - 7.26*
6. UO - 7.23
7. HPU - 7.19*
8. MCM - 6.69
9. LC - 6.45
10. HSU - 6.36
11. UTD - 6.32
12. CUA - 6.28
13. SRSU - 5.92
14. ETBU - 5.89
15. LETU - 5.48

* - I used league average GDP, SH, and SF since those stats weren't available that I could find.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 17, 2007, 02:40:37 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on April 15, 2007, 12:29:21 PM
I wouldn't call Elizondo a power threat. He has 13 doubles, but only 1 home run. Did Trent deserve a mention? Yeah, probably so, but I couldn't justify putting him on the list when his teammate Brett Rosen is having the better year in my honest opinion.

Well, 13 doubles isn't exactly chopped liver in the power department. Gap power, I believe it's called, has its own value.

That said, Rosen's still having the better year overall, it would appear.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 17, 2007, 05:10:37 PM
Okay, here's round three of the pitcher rankings. I calculated them the same way as last time, with 35 qualifying pitchers. Sul Ross hasn't updated their web site stats since 4/2, by the way.
# Name, School - Points (IP)

ASC East
1. R. Campbell, UTT - 88 (67.2)
2. B. Holland, UTT - 72 (46.1)
3. B. Booher, UTT - 66 (49.0)
4. S. Ashley, MC - 65 (51.1)
5. C. Naquin, LETU - 62 (46.1)
6. G. Wilson, LC - 56 (58.2)
7. R. Finnell, UO - 36 (50.1)
8. T. Brooks, LETU - 34 (40.2)
9. T. Williams, MC - 30 (42.1)
10. T. Koch, UO - 29 (50.1)

ASC West
1. J. Miller, CUA - 58 (72.0)
2. A. Enloe, TLU - 55 (52.2)
3. C. Johnston, MCM - 47 (59.2)
T4. S. Szkotak, CUA - 42 (68.0)
T4. R. Garza, UMHB - 42 (52.2)
6. N. Schafer, MCM - 38 (54.0)
7. B. Pearce, UMHB - 33 (45.0)
8. C. Curry, MCM - 27 (56.2)
9. N. Copeland, HSU - 23 (47.1)
10. M. Otero, SRSU - 18 (51.0)

hitter top 10's to follow
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 17, 2007, 05:18:28 PM
Sorry to have four posts in a row, but when no one else is posting ya can't blame me.  :P

Anyway, here's the top 10 hitters in each division by BaseRuns per plate appearance. There were 75 hitters with 100+ AB's, which was my cutoff point. These are straight, no points or anything. Again, due to lack of pertinent stats there are no HPU or SU hitters on the West side. FYI, BsR/PA means that a hitter's performance at the plate and on the bases is worth x number of runs each time he comes to the plate.
# Name, School - BsR/PA (AB)

ASC East
1. K. Fox, UTT - .368 (112)
2. B. Rosen, UTD - .291 (157)
3. M. Elliott, UTD - .281 (129)
4. T. Elizondo, UTD - .269 (147)
5. B. Amyx, UTT - .265 (116)
6. J. Glenn, UO - .260 (143)
7. M. Putman, UTD - .259 (131)
8. J. Jackson, UTD - .258 (140)
9. A. Damewood, UTT - .247 (121)
10. J. Britt, MC - .247 (129)

ASC West
1. J. Kaase, TLU - .294 (127)
2. M. Simpson, HSU - .292 (141)
3. W. Franco, MCM - .285 (128)
4. S. Reinlie, UMHB - .279 (112)
5. B. Voorhees, MCM - .265 (144)
6. T. Gibbs, HSU - .257 (129)
7. D. David, MCM - .254 (147)
8. J. Villegas, UMHB - .251 (125)
9. B. Jacobs, CUA - .213 (141)
10. A. Froeschl - .212 (137)

The average BsR/PA among all 100+ AB hitters was .198.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on April 17, 2007, 07:37:24 PM
CUAfan,

Thanks for the information.  Don't think your postings have not been read and appreciated. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 18, 2007, 12:41:42 AM
Quote from: CUAfan on April 17, 2007, 05:18:28 PM
Again, due to lack of pertinent stats there are no HPU or SU hitters on the West side.

Do the stats from the conference page not have all the necessary stats you need?

http://americansouthwestconf.org/stats-baseball/srsu.htm
http://americansouthwestconf.org/stats-baseball/hpu.htm

I really enjoyed the stats you've provided as well. IF I had a vote my ASC East MVP would be Fox or Rosen, West MVP, Kaase or Simpson.... East Pitcher Campbell, and West pitcher Miller or Enloe. With the exception of Campbell as pitcher of the year in the East, I think the voters have some really tough decisions on their hands this year.  You could make a case for both guys in each scenario.

Some_Guy
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 18, 2007, 11:00:24 AM
For hitters, the conference pages don't have GDP, SH, or SF.

For pitchers, the conference pages don't have HR allowed.

Why this is, I don't know. It could, perhaps, be an idiosyncrasy of the conference-level version of the stat software. Of course, if HPU and Schreiner would just have their own stat reports on their website instead of linking to the conference pages it wouldn't be a problem. :P

BTW, Sul Ross I have everything for.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on April 21, 2007, 02:35:11 PM
Everyone sleeping...???

No postings since April 18!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 21, 2007, 08:09:05 PM
Friday Scores:

Concordia 8 - UMHB 2
Hardin Simmons 13 - Sul Ross 1
McMurry 7 - Howard Payne 6
Texas Lutheran 5 - Schreiner 2
UT Dallas 12 - LeTourneau 0
LA College 9 - UT Tyler 2 (first loss of the year for the Patriots)
Ozarks 15 - Miss College 5

Hardin Simmons and Concordia battling for the final playoff spot, but HSU is in the drivers seat going tinto Saturday's games.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 21, 2007, 08:16:42 PM
Well... Just saw where Hardin Simmons swept Sul Ross winning 10-0 and 8-2 today to finish ASC play with a 13-7 record, reeling off 12 straight wins after starting 1-7. Concordia will be the odd team out.  HSU will likely be the #4 seed and play #1 seed from the East, UT Dallas next weekend in Dallas. Seems as though HSU is back on track and finally has a starting rotation they like. Rucker has thrown well his last three starts, and this is a dangerous team that UTD can't take for granted.

Also, McMurry sweeps Howard Payne 6-2, 15-4 and could move into the #2 seed in the West depending on the outcome of the Concordia/UMHB double header today.

Some_Guy
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 21, 2007, 08:30:17 PM
Concordia 3 - UMHB 1
UMHB 4 - Concordia 3

WEST
Texas Lutheran ???
McMurry 14-7 (def. UMHB 2 of 3)
UMHB 14-7
Hardin Simmons 13-7

Concordia 11-10

EAST
UT Dallas 14-4
Ozarks 10-8
La College ???
Miss College 7-11

1st Round Playoff Matchups:

#1E UT Dallas vs. #4W Hardin Simmons
#1W Texas Lutheran vs. #4W Mississippi College
#2E Ozarks vs. #3W Mary Hardin Baylor
#2W McMurry vs. #3E Louisianna College

I am pretty sure this is correct.

Any predictions?

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 21, 2007, 11:06:19 PM
My predictions:

TLU, McM, UMHB advance easily.

UT-D has to go 3 games to beat HSU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 22, 2007, 02:10:16 PM
I agree with Ralph Turners prediction. The east is just not that strong this year and without UT Tyler 3 of their 4 teams do not match well with the west. UT Dallas is stronger than some might give them credit for and they could make it to the finals but they will not be the conference champ. Have to go with TL again this year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 22, 2007, 03:33:46 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on April 22, 2007, 02:10:16 PM
I agree with Ralph Turners prediction. The east is just not that strong this year and without UT Tyler 3 of their 4 teams do not match well with the west. UT Dallas is stronger than some might give them credit for and they could make it to the finals but they will not be the conference champ. Have to go with TL again this year.

We have a different set of playoff series with UT-Tyler active.

UT-Tyler hosts HSU  --  might be a really good series, whether 2 games or three
UT-Dallas hosts UMHB -- UT-Dallas is pushed to win in 3.

Ozarks goes to McM -- McM probably handles them in 2
LaCollege goes to TLU -- TLU in 2.

I am saying that the seedings hold with those brackets. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 23, 2007, 06:58:49 PM
Alright, ladies, gentlemen and baseball fans. With the end of the regular season, here's a set of pitcher, hitter, speed, and team defense rankings for your reading pleasure. Some notes...pitchers were ranked by Defense-Independent Component ERA (DICE)...HPU and SU hitters and pitchers were included this time, as I used the per IP/AB from everyone else to give them a reasonable number where I lacked data...the speed rankings are a modified (out of necessity) Bill James Speed Score...team defense is by Defensive Efficiency, or the percentage of balls in play that were turned into outs (HPU and SU not ranked, due to lack of data).

Pitchers
ASC East
1. R. Campbell, UTT - 1.82 DICE (72.1 IP)
2. S. Ashley, MC - 2.53 (71.1)
3. B. Booher, UTT - 2.74 (58.0)
4. T. Williams, MC - 2.78 (54.1)
5. C. Naquin, LC - 2.78 (46.1)
6. B. Holland, UTT - 2.81 (51.1)
7. M. Cox, UTD - 3.04 (71.1)
8. G. Wilson, LC - 3.12 (58.2)
9. T. Kaminski, LETU - 3.58 (53.2)
10. D. Waggoner, UTD - 3.63 (55.1)

ASC West
1. Jonathan Miller, CUA - 2.53 (81.0)
2. A. Enloe, TLU - 3.05 (61.2)
3. R. Garza, UMHB - 3.31 (58.2)
4. C. Johnston, MCM - 3.35 (59.2)
5. J. Davies, HPU - 3.54 (80.0)
6. S. Szkotak, CUA - 3.63 (75.0)
7. H. Casey, MCM - 3.79 (40.1)
8. L. Hull, TLU - 3.82 (44.0)
9. N. Schafer, MCM - 3.89 (54.0)
10. B. Pearce, UMHB - 3.92 (50.0)

Hitters
ASC East
1. K. Fox, UTT - .348 BsR/PA (126 AB)
2. J. Jackson, UTD - .287 (153)
3. B. Rosen, UTD - .282 (170)
4. M. Elliott, UTD - .276 (141)
5. J. Glenn, UO - .262 (155)
6. T. Elizondo, UTD - .260 (160)
7. M. Putman, UTD - .258 (143)
8. B. Amyx, UTT - .255 (132)
9. A. Damewood, UTT - .246 (136)
10. A. Teaster, UO - .239 (102)

ASC West
1. M. Simpson, HSU - .294 (156)
2. W. Franco, MCM - .275 (137)
3. S. Reinlie, UMHB - .266 (123)
4. D. David, MCM - .260 (156)
5. J. Kester, SU - .252 (143)
6. B. Voorhees, MCM - .252 (154)
7. J. Villegas, UMHB - .249 (136)
8. J. Kaase, TLU - .249 (143)
9. T. Gibbs, HSU - .233 (144)
10. D. Ruth, HSU - .227 (118)

Speed
ASC East
1. M. Elliott, UTD - 10.95
2. B. Rosen, UTD - 10.57
3. K. Fox, UTT - 8.89
4. A. Teaster, UO - 8.57
5. W. Reed, MC - 8.38
6. J. Britt, MC - 8.31
7. A. Damewood, UTT - 8.29
8. D. Smith, UO - 8.15
9. H. Brown, MC - 8.10
10. M. Parks, MC - 7.95

ASC West
1. K. Black, HPU - 11.00
2. M. Volz, UMHB - 10.47
3. J. Huizar, SU - 10.13
4. J. Villegas, UMHB - 9.67
5. J. Cervantes, MCM - 9.66
6. P. Mercer, CUA - 9.62
7. R. Kunz, HPU - 8.07
8. R. Pounds, CUA - 7.93
9. J. Kaase, TLU - 7.74
10. J. Kester, SU - 7.72

Team Defense
ASC East
1. Texas-Tyler - .698
2. Ozarks - .674
3. Texas-Dallas - .655
4. Louisiana College - .648
5. LeTourneau - .644
6. Mississippi College - .643
7. East Texas Baptist - .640

ASC West
1. Texas Lutheran - .672
2. Concordia-Austin - .667
3. Mary Hardin-Baylor - .664
4. McMurry - .646
5. Hardin-Simmons - .634
6. Sul Ross State - .607
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pitchinmom on April 26, 2007, 09:00:23 PM
Okay guys, I have to admit it.  I did get a huge smile on my face when Miller got ASC pitcher of the week last week!  I'm really glad he did well his last game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 27, 2007, 01:09:24 PM
It's a pity that missing the conference tourney will probably cost the nation's strikeout leader the ASC West pitcher of the year award.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 27, 2007, 06:26:53 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on April 27, 2007, 01:09:24 PM
It's a pity that missing the conference tourney will probably cost the nation's strikeout leader the ASC West pitcher of the year award.

Maybe, maybe not. It's a tough argument to make either way.

Miller - YR: 3.89, 5-2, 81.0 IP, 86 H, 16 BB, 102 Ks, .270 avg against
Enloe - YR: 2.77, 6-1, 61.2 IP, 52 H, 21 BB, 41 Ks, .228 avg against

In conference play Enloe is 5-0 w/ a 1.62 ERA and .191 avg against (both 1st in conference). He never gave up more than 3 ER in a conference start.

In conference play Miller is 3-1 w/ pretty lack luster starts against McMurry and Schreiner. He's not in the top 10 in opponents average or in ERA. I couldn't find stats for Miller so I tried to calculate them myself and I believe his conference ERA was 4.29 and avg against was .286

Has he had a successful year? There's no doubt about it.  He has been a workhorse for Concordia and he leads the nation in Ks (while keeping his walks really low), but he has been hittable at times. I take my hat off to Miller because he's had a great year, but in my honest opinion Adam Enloe is the ASC West Pitcher of the Year even if CUA does make the playoffs.

Some_Guy
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 27, 2007, 07:04:27 PM
 UT Dallas 4 - Hardin Simmons 0  (http://hsuathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/recaps/042707aaa.html)

Texas Lutheran 6 - Mississippi College 5  (http://www.tlu.edu/athletics?newsid=782)

Ozarks 8 - Mary Hardin Baylor 7  (http://www.ozarks.edu/athletics/baseball/news/news_story.asp?iNewsID=1774&strBack=%2Fathletics%2Fbaseball%2Fnews%2Fnews%5Farchive%2Easp)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 27, 2007, 09:04:52 PM
Through 5, McMurry is up 4-1 over La College.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 27, 2007, 09:57:28 PM
McMurry 5, LaCollege 3.  Johnson gets the win; Kyle Martin gets the save.

All four home teams win.

I thought that UMHB would beat UOzarks.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 28, 2007, 02:30:55 PM
UMHB 4 UOz 3.  Game three on UMHB webcast beginning about 1:50pm.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 28, 2007, 04:38:21 PM
I went by the UT-Dallas field about 3pm and there was no one there.

UT-D won the series in 2 games.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 28, 2007, 04:41:42 PM
McMurry 14, LaCollege 4.  McM plays UT-Dallas in Richardson next Friday.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 28, 2007, 05:50:28 PM
UMHB leads UOz 11-9, but the Eagles have runners on second and first with #3 UOz batter up and no outs.  Cameron bunts the runners ahead.  Robby Finnell, #4 batter (clean-up) in the lineup.  Fennell hits a 3-run HR to go with his Grand Slam in the first inning.  He has 50 RBI this season.  UOz leads 12-11 as we go to the bottom of the 7th inning. (UMHB is the home team in this game.)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 28, 2007, 05:54:52 PM
TLU and Miss College have gone to the third game.

TLU leads 14-5 in the top of the 7th inning.

TLU's Newman struggled with his control in 1st and 4th inning.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 28, 2007, 06:14:39 PM
UOzarks 13, UMHB 11 with the CRU batting in the bottom of the 8th.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 28, 2007, 06:34:46 PM
Ozarks adds one in the top of the 9th and leads 14-11.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 28, 2007, 06:51:17 PM
UOz 14, UMHB 12 in the final game.

UOz to the tourney and probably play TLU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 28, 2007, 06:53:25 PM
Final score from Seguin, TLU 17-6.  TLU wins the series, 2-1.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 28, 2007, 10:38:40 PM
So we have:

UT Dallas vs. McMurry (McMurry won the season series 2-1)
Texas Lutheran vs. Ozarks (TLU won the season series 3-0)



Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on April 28, 2007, 11:25:58 PM
Well, HSU is out for baseball, but they've had a good week (and year) overall...winning ASC Championships in softball, men's/women's tennis and in the running for baseball, men's/women's golf.  (HSU was the only ASC school in all six events!)  Add championships in volleyball and men's/women's soccer...very decent football/basketball teams...and it is difficult to complain...for the year in college sports at HSU!

Come on 2007 football...go Cowboys!  Thanks to all the seniors in all the sports...and good luck in life!

Proud to be a COWBOY!

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 29, 2007, 01:06:49 AM
Okay, McMurry won women's cross country, finished second to 4th year Provisional UT-Tyler in Men's Cross Country, tied for first in the ASC West in Men's Hoops, earned a Pool C bid in women's hoops, won Men's and Women's Track.

They are still in the running for baseball.

The Swimming teams finished 4th of 10 for the men and 6th of 13 for the women in their conference.  (Oh yeah, you Baptists don't do that "mixed bathing" thing.  ;)  :D )

The Men's Cross Country team was named Academic All-American.

We finished second in Men's golf and third in women's Golf to Texas Lutheran.

The men send an especially strong contingent to the Nationals in Track.
I am hoping for a Top 10 finish.

Just a little competition in Abilene, isn't there.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on April 29, 2007, 06:56:57 AM
RT...Ha!  Five (5) sports in which McM excelled, HSU does NOT even participate! ;D  So, those were "gimmees." ;)

Wait until 2007-2008 when HSU starts track/field/cross country! :)  (Get ready!)

And swimming?  :'(   We'll give you swimming as long as you keep letting us win in football...what is it now...14 years in a row?  ;D  (Don't forget we Baptists invented the immersion technique...  :-\  ...so, we may enter the swimming thingie, if the urge is ever strong enough!  :D  ) ...and we can find that much water!

Yes,  ASC competition is alive in Abilene!  BTW, our Band marches faster and we have horses!   8)

Still "purple and gold" proud!  8)

Ralph, have a great summer and thanks for all you do (for the ASC and D III in general)...great to have you aboard!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 30, 2007, 12:59:47 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on April 27, 2007, 06:26:53 PM
Miller - YR: 3.89, 5-2, 81.0 IP, 86 H, 16 BB, 102 Ks, .270 avg against
Enloe - YR: 2.77, 6-1, 61.2 IP, 52 H, 21 BB, 41 Ks, .228 avg against

In conference play Enloe is 5-0 w/ a 1.62 ERA and .191 avg against (both 1st in conference). He never gave up more than 3 ER in a conference start.

In conference play Miller is 3-1 w/ pretty lack luster starts against McMurry and Schreiner. He's not in the top 10 in opponents average or in ERA. I couldn't find stats for Miller so I tried to calculate them myself and I believe his conference ERA was 4.29 and avg against was .286

A) ERA, hits, and average against are both defense-dependent. Even Johan Santana would give up a lot of hits and runs if he had a Jason Giambi at every position. Besides, the earned/unearned thing is meaningless really, since they count the same on the scoreboard.

B) W/L record is a TERRIBLE way to evaluate pitchers. You can give up 10 in five innings, but if your offense gets 11 you still get the win (assuming no other scoring). Frankly, you can stink to high heaven and still have a good W/L record. Not that Enloe stinks, just an example.

A proper evaluation takes into account only those things which a pitcher directly controls, namely strikeouts, walks, and home runs allowed. The DICE (Defense-Independent Component ERA) rankings above take only those factors into account, and they say that Miller's better. I bet if you could stick Miller in front of the TLU defense that he'd have an ERA under 2.77. He strikes out more batters, walks fewer (as I recall), and is about the same in HR/9.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 30, 2007, 01:29:35 PM
Texas Lutheran F% = .953
Concordia F% = .957

Is Texas Lutheran really that much better defensively? So much so that Miller's conference ER average would be 2.5 pts lower and opponents would be hitting 0.090 pts less off of him.  I just don't think so.

I agree with your point about W/L, but definitely disagree that ER/Unearned runs are essentially one in the same.

Also, perhaps Miller's desire to strike so many batters out has him working deeper into counts, and working from behind in the count in order to induce a strike out.  That scenario would lead to him giving up more hits and having a significantly higher avg against which is a pretty pertinent category in the argument in my opinion.

If another pitcher is working ahead in the count and getting ground ball outs when they could be getting strikeouts then they have less strike outs, but their defense doesn't get lulled to sleep and maybe they make more plays behind. I'm not saying I'm 100% RIGHT here by any means, just tossing out things to think about.

I mean Greg Maddux was never a power pitcher with ridiculous amounts of K's like Johnson/Schilling type pitcher, but he won some CY-Youngs. UMHB's Bill Pearce strikes out a ton per 9, but that doesn't make him the pitcher of the year.

And the HR given up is a tough one as well.  Enloe has given up quite a few less homeruns than Miller, but Miller also plays in a crackerbox home park where as TLU's field is quite a bit bigger.

The fact that Enloe had 0 ER in 8 IP, with 9 Ks against Mississippi this past weekend won't hurt him either.

Some_Guy
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 30, 2007, 02:40:48 PM
The East did much better than forcasted. According to Ralph Turner Texas Lutheran, McMurry and Mary Hardin Baylor would make short work of the East and TX Dallas would struggle against Hardin Simmons.  Turns our the that TX Dallas made short work of Hardin Simmons, Ozarks beat Mary Hardin Baylor and TX Lutheran needed 3 games to put away a supposed weak Mississippi College.  Maybee the West isn't that good after all. ::)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 30, 2007, 02:58:47 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on April 30, 2007, 02:40:48 PM
The East did much better than forecasted. According to Ralph Turner Texas Lutheran, McMurry and Mary Hardin Baylor would make short work of the East and TX Dallas would struggle against Hardin Simmons.  Turns our the that TX Dallas made short work of Hardin Simmons, Ozarks beat Mary Hardin Baylor and TX Lutheran needed 3 games to put away a supposed weak Mississippi College.  Maybe the West isn't that good after all. ::)
Yeah, I know.   :-\  Sometimes the lack of active posters from the East impacts the assessment of quality when it should not.

I will go thru the conference schedule to check the inter-divisional records tonight.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 30, 2007, 03:19:29 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on April 30, 2007, 02:40:48 PM
The East did much better than forcasted. According to Ralph Turner Texas Lutheran, McMurry and Mary Hardin Baylor would make short work of the East and TX Dallas would struggle against Hardin Simmons.  Turns our the that TX Dallas made short work of Hardin Simmons, Ozarks beat Mary Hardin Baylor and TX Lutheran needed 3 games to put away a supposed weak Mississippi College.  Maybee the West isn't that good after all. ::)

Had I predicted I probably would've said Texas Lutheran in 2, McMurry in 2, Ozarks and UMHB a 3 game toss up, and UTD over Hardin Simmons in 3.

I don't think Texas Lutheran dropping the game against Shawn Ashley was that big of a deal. It's no secret that Mississippi turns from a pretty average team to a really solid team with Ashley on the bump. Ashley lost 1-0 to McMurry early in the year without giving up an earned run, UT Tyler beat him, and UT Dallas' potent offensive got to him for 5 ER, but other than that he was pretty stellar.

I suspected McMurry would have a tough game against Grant Wilson and then be in the drivers seat and that's more or less what happened with that series.

Ozarks had played really good baseball down the stretch taking 5 of 6 from La College and Mississippi (losing to Ashley). They're a very scrappy team and they're solid offensively, but I wasn't sure how they'd be on the bump other than Finnell.  Well Finnell only gave up 1 ER, but they lost that game and just out hit UMHB in the other two. Dixon ended up throwing pretty well the first game and had to come back for 3.1 more to beat UMHB.

UMHB shot themselves in the foot when they got themselves in a big hole when Bill Pearce who has struck out 73 and only given up 35 hits in 50 IP, could'nt get out of the first in the final game. I wouldn't have been surprised with either team winning that one. You have to remember that UMHB lost 2 of 3 to TLU, McMurry and Concordia (but swept HSU early when they were looking for pitching). If I was an East team, I would've much rather played them than Hardin Simmons at this point in the season.

As for UTD/Hardin Simmons.  I figured Cox would win game one, but Rucker had seemed to be regaining his old form and it's no secret that the games were probably going to be slug fests after Friday. Maybe he did, maybe UT Dallas' offense is just ridiculously good, but UT Dallas prevailed.  Something in me just thought Simpson/Coleman could carry them to at least 3 games.

I have no idea what to expect from the conference tournament, but I hope the ASC can sneak two teams into the West Regional because it has to be one of the most competitive conferences nation-wide.

Some_Guy
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 30, 2007, 03:25:13 PM
Texas Lutheran:
0-3 UT Tyler
3-0 Ozarks

McMurry:
2-1 UT Dallas
2-1 Mississippi College
0-1 UT-Tyler
1-0 LeTU

UMHB:
1-2 ETBU
0-3 Mississippi College

Hardin Simmons:
2-1 Louisiana College
0-3 UT Dallas

Concordia:
3-0 ETBU
2-1 Ozarks

UT Dallas:
1-2 McMurry
3-0 Hardin Simmons
1-0 Howard Payne

Ozarks:
0-3 Texas Lutheran
1-2 Concordia

Louisiana College:
1-2 Hardin Simmons
3-0 Sul Ross State

Mississippi College:
3-0 UMHB
1-2 McMurry

Moderator's note:  I am modifying Guy's post for other inter-divisional games.  For post-season tourney sake, let's not consider UT-Tyler games.

+1 Guy!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 30, 2007, 10:57:58 PM
Dare to take a stab at this weekend Ralph ?

I think McMurry has a good balance and COULD be the team to beat. Yurchick starting has made them a totally different team, and Martin developing as the top bullpen guy has given them an extra arm besides Lee/Casey.

I know that the Ozarks are really scrappy and have swung it really well this year. Dixon and Finnell should be able to keep them close, but are they in the same league as the other three teams?

Some_Guy
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 30, 2007, 11:52:25 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on April 30, 2007, 10:57:58 PM
Dare to take a stab at this weekend Ralph ?

I think McMurry has a good balance and COULD be the team to beat. Yurchick starting has made them a totally different team, and Martin developing as the top bullpen guy has given them an extra arm besides Lee/Casey.

I know that the Ozarks are really scrappy and have swung it really well this year. Dixon and Finnell should be able to keep them close, but are they in the same league as the other three teams?

Some_Guy
Guy, I think that you are right about McM.  Martin may be the key to the bullpen.  It is nice to bring in a lefty in the late innings, especially a lefty that can throw strikes.  Martin's stats are 3-0 with 2 saves in 13 appearances  and 23 innings.  He did not see action against TLU in late March.  I reviewed the season stats and found 5 games where using Martin as the closer might have won the game.  Martin appeared in middle relief in a 12-10 extra-inning loss vs. Southwestern and 1 inning in middle relief in a 13-12 10-inning loss versus UT-D.  He did not appear in a 4-3 loss versus Schreiner, a 7-5 loss to Marietta (non-in-region),  the 8-5 extra inning loss versus TLU and the 12-10 extra inning loss to TLU.  If we reverse those 5 losses, McMurry's West Region record goes from 25-14 to 30-9.

Yurchick has been another good find.  In March he played one game vs. TLU and went 1-4.  In that series, TLU won 12-10 in 10 innings, won 8-5 in 10 innings and Enloe beat Shaffer 3-1 in (7-inning) complete game efforts.

That series was too close not to be affected by one clutch player coming thru.

McMurry should be confident, especially if they can get to UT-D in the first game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on May 01, 2007, 11:19:47 AM
Quote
Texas Lutheran F% = .953
Concordia F% = .957

Is Texas Lutheran really that much better defensively? So much so that Miller's conference ER average would be 2.5 pts lower and opponents would be hitting 0.090 pts less off of him.  I just don't think so.

Okay, so maybe I overstated the case a bit. :P Point is, I bet you put Miller on TLU and his defense-dependent stats look better since he'd be playing in more of a pitcher's park. Oh, and defensive efficiency is a better defensive stat that F%.

QuoteI agree with your point about W/L, but definitely disagree that ER/Unearned runs are essentially one in the same.

Not one in the same, no. But when it comes down to determining who wins and loses, it doesn't really matter if a run is earned or unearned. Besides, the hit/error decision is far too subjective for my taste. (side note: anyone else notice that MC apparently never grounded into a double play this year? odd...)

QuoteAlso, perhaps Miller's desire to strike so many batters out has him working deeper into counts, and working from behind in the count in order to induce a strike out.  That scenario would lead to him giving up more hits and having a significantly higher avg against which is a pretty pertinent category in the argument in my opinion.

I can't speak to that, really. I know he had quite a few full counts, but he had a lot of three-pitch strikeouts too. Regarding average against, studies have shown that a pitcher's impact on whether or not a batted ball results in an out is negligible at best. Therefore, average against is more of a team defense stat than a pitcher stat. It is somewhat dependent on whether the pitcher in question is a groundball or flyball pitcher, though.

QuoteIf another pitcher is working ahead in the count and getting ground ball outs when they could be getting strikeouts then they have less strike outs, but their defense doesn't get lulled to sleep and maybe they make more plays behind. I'm not saying I'm 100% RIGHT here by any means, just tossing out things to think about.

I mean Greg Maddux was never a power pitcher with ridiculous amounts of K's like Johnson/Schilling type pitcher, but he won some CY-Youngs. UMHB's Bill Pearce strikes out a ton per 9, but that doesn't make him the pitcher of the year.

And Johan Santana has, what, one Cy Young? It seems to me that the Cy Young is based as much on perception as anything else. Not to say that Maddux isn't one of the great ones, especially of his generation, but just that Cy Youngs aren't necessarily the best factor to go off of in determining the best pitcher in a given year. Oh, and Pearce isn't pitcher of the year since he walks almost as many as he strikes out (Three True Outcomes, people :P)

QuoteAnd the HR given up is a tough one as well.  Enloe has given up quite a few less homeruns than Miller, but Miller also plays in a crackerbox home park where as TLU's field is quite a bit bigger.

Yeah, I wish I had the numbers available to do park effect factors to fix that problem, but in the absence of that, straight HR/9 isn't too bad.

QuoteThe fact that Enloe had 0 ER in 8 IP, with 9 Ks against Mississippi this past weekend won't hurt him either.

And it ought to be a whole-body-of-work award. And watch, someone else entirely will win it. :P
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on May 01, 2007, 01:03:54 PM
Actually what you say about the pitcher not having any effect on balls in play is, at best, cloudy research. Voros McCracken published it to much acclaim but since then it's been picked apart.

Charlie Hough is the best example but far from the only one of a pitcher who has a career BABIP graph consistently below his team's average. Boyd's World has a good article squirreled away somewhere.

Basically, not even McCracken believes what he originally published.

That said, ratios of BB and K are still important, and I would submit that the pitcher has more control over extra-base hits than singles (just empirically), so I tend to look at XBH as well.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on May 01, 2007, 02:25:23 PM
Fair enough. Once I read that I recalled reading something to that effect. Selective memory I guess. :P

Still, BABIP is still fairly variable from year-to-year based on factors besides the pitcher himself, as I recall. If I had my Baseball Prospectus 2007 in front of me I'd flip through it to double-check that though. However, I would posit that, generally speaking, BABIP numbers would vary by type of pitcher as follows:

flyball -> groundball -> line drive (lowest -> highest)

but that's just my guess.

For the record, Miller's BABIP this past season was in the .360-.375 range somewhere as I recall. Don't know about Enloe.

In any event, I think we'd all agree that pitchers should be evaluated independently of the defense behind them...it's just how you go about doing that that's tricky.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on May 01, 2007, 05:54:34 PM
I don't doubt that you did read it. More people read about the original conclusion than the research following it up.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 02, 2007, 01:44:49 PM
"I have no idea what to expect from the conference tournament, but I hope the ASC can sneak two teams into the West Regional because it has to be one of the most competitive conferences nation-wide."

As posted by Some_Guy

You hit it out of park with that quote. It has been a long dry spell for the ASC. Its about time the conference recieves some recognition from the north-eastern dominated selection committee.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on May 02, 2007, 01:46:37 PM
Only way this happens is if Texas Lutheran doesn't win the conference tournament, IMO. UT-Dallas might have a chance at a Pool C, but it's probably a longshot.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 02, 2007, 02:48:50 PM
Quote from: Spence on May 02, 2007, 01:46:37 PM
Only way this happens is if Texas Lutheran doesn't win the conference tournament, IMO. UT-Dallas might have a chance at a Pool C, but it's probably a longshot.
I agree with Spence.

TLU almost has a Pool C bid.  Everyone else is fighting for a Pool A bid.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pitchinmom on May 02, 2007, 05:07:53 PM
 ;D  I just checked out the Concordia website.  One big happy smile!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on May 03, 2007, 01:26:42 AM
I could write for 30 minutes straight about what a debacle the ASC post-season awards were starting with how Elizondo is POTY but 2nd team OF. Maybe that's a misprint because that doesn't make much sense.  I still completely disagree with the Enloe/Miller argument, but at least I can see the rationale there. Also Colton Hermes (SU) over Joseph Villegas (UMHB) for freshman of the year, garbage.  Also, don't get me started on honorable mentions.  Everyone in the conference ends up with an award by the time you give those out.

Some_Guy
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on May 03, 2007, 01:25:13 PM
I don't entirely understand how Miller is Pitcher of the Year when he and Enloe were tied for 1st team All-West.

I think there's a separate ballot for Player of the Year and individual positions (which there kind of has to be, if you think about it), and the same for Pitcher of the Year and starters/relievers.

But I think that if a player gets either one, he ought to, by default, be 1st team at his position. Bump other guys down if you need to, but you have to get rid of the incongruity.

Frankly (and this probably won't surprise anyone :P), I don't like the voting method of determining these things. I would much rather the awards be based on stats in some way. You could keep the honorable mention, but give such nods to everyone who meets a certain benchmark but didn't have a good enough year to earn another award (key word: earn).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 03, 2007, 03:49:05 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 02, 2007, 01:44:49 PM
You hit it out of park with that quote. It has been a long dry spell for the ASC. Its about time the conference recieves some recognition from the north-eastern dominated selection committee.

Doesn't seem inappropriately northeastern:

Tom Austin, Methodist College
Al Bean, University of Southern Maine
Lee Driggers, McMurry University
Rick Espeset, Manchester College
Daniel Harris, Milwaukee School of Engineering
John Lonardo, State University College at Old Westbury
John McCloskey, Alvernia College, chair
Greg Wallace, Augustana College
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on May 03, 2007, 05:00:29 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on May 03, 2007, 01:26:42 AM
I could write for 30 minutes straight about what a debacle the ASC post-season awards were starting with how Elizondo is POTY but 2nd team OF. Maybe that's a misprint because that doesn't make much sense. 

I was just looking at the awards, thinking about doing some stat comparisons between 1st and 2nd teams, when I noticed something about this.

Elizondo is on the East 1st team...but as a designated hitter.

How one guy (and this happened with a couple CUA guys this year too, maybe others) can be allowed onto the 1st/2nd teams in more than one position is beyond me.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 03, 2007, 06:35:27 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 02, 2007, 01:44:49 PM
"I have no idea what to expect from the conference tournament, but I hope the ASC can sneak two teams into the West Regional because it has to be one of the most competitive conferences nation-wide."

As posted by Some_Guy

You hit it out of park with that quote. It has been a long dry spell for the ASC. Its about time the conference recieves some recognition from the north-eastern dominated selection committee.
The way the criteria are written, the ASC members have done very little warrant any extra selections.  i have posted my impressions on the Hoops boards about how to get more Pool C bids in basketball and the essence of my recommendations were voted down something like 19-3 with 3 abstentions last month.  No one is listening to me or Pat Coleman!

If you read the handbook, then these things are what the handbook says to do to earn an at-large bid.

Play lots of in-region opponents (outside the ASC) and beat them.

For the Texas schools:
-- that is everybody in OK, KS (there are no D3's in OK and KS at this time), MO, IL, WI westward to California, Oregon and Washington state.
-- Schedule lots of non-confernece games with Austin College, Trinity, Southwestern, Hendrix and UDallas and win them.
-- Make sure to invite a school from IL or WI or IA  or MN down for spring training and beat them.  Those games count in the eyes of the committee for the seeding requirements.
--Remember that D2 and NAIA games do not help in the least.  Only schedule them when you need to fill the middle of the week or need to play some 2nd-stringers or 4th and 5th pitchers.

For Ozarks, LaCollege and Miss College:
--You must beat the Hendrix', the Rhodes, the Rust's, the Millsaps, the Oglethorpes, the Huntingdon's, the LaGrange's , the Maryville's and even the teams from VA, NC, OH, MI and IN.

The other real fact of life for the ASC is that we are so balanced, that we knock each other off.  We would pick up and extra bid if we broke into 2 separate conferences!
   
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Shiloh on May 04, 2007, 03:28:01 PM
Do the post-season awards have anything to do with in-conference performance?How does a pitcher get 2nd team with a 9+ ERA. Another pitcher get HM RP when he started 7 games and never pitched an inning in relief (and had only one relief appearance all year)? And West POY goes to the guy with 4+ ERA on a 5th place team, and not the one with 1+ ERA on the 1st place team. Do they even know who they are voting on?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 05, 2007, 08:11:25 PM
TLU won in extra innings (?) 8-7 on a hit batsman with the bases loaded.

UT-D beat McMurry 4-3 with two out in the bottom of the 10th, when the runner from third scored on slow high grounder that the Shortstop could not handle in time.

McMurry to play Ozarks at 9 AM tomorrow.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on May 05, 2007, 10:47:57 PM
Couldn't believe McMurry even got it to extras with how Cox pitched. A no-hitter broken up by a home run!

McMurry took advantage of the chances they got and made a game of it though. Sounds like two really good ballgames!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 05, 2007, 11:02:32 PM
Quote from: Spence on May 05, 2007, 10:47:57 PM
Couldn't believe McMurry even got it to extras with how Cox pitched. A no-hitter broken up by a home run!

McMurry took advantage of the chances they got and made a game of it though. Sounds like two really good ballgames!

Yeah, Cox had a slider that was vicious today.  Westin Franco struck out 3 times but had a homer and RBI-double.

I would have ruled the hit that scored the winning run as an RBI-single.  I didn't think that the SS could have fielded the ball and thrown out a very fleet Matt Kelly in time to end the inning.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 06, 2007, 11:42:33 AM
McMurry leads Ozarks 7-1 after 6 innings.  McM's Schafer allowed 1 run on 3 hits in the bottom of the first and has scattered 6 hits total.

McMurry is batting in the top of the 7th.  Casey doubles home Franco who walked.  8-1 going to the bottom of the 7th.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 06, 2007, 12:06:56 PM
McMurry leads 8-1 going to the top of the 9th.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 06, 2007, 02:37:45 PM
McM 8, UOzarks 1; Final

UTD-TLU scoreless in the UT-D top of the 6th.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 06, 2007, 08:33:38 PM
TLU edges UT-D 1-0 in the bottom of the 9th.

McMurry comes back to beat UT-D 14-4 (10 run rule) in the bottom of the 8th.

UT-D eliminated.

McMurry must win two from TLU tomorrow.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 07, 2007, 03:03:01 PM
TLU 6, McM 0 in the first game.

Congratulations to the Bulldogs.

I have to say that the mound on the UT-Dallas baseball field must be the highest point in Dallas County!

I though that the TLU starting pitcher adjusted very well to the mound, and McMurry did not jump on him early.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on May 07, 2007, 04:05:36 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 07, 2007, 03:03:01 PM
I have to say that the mound on the UT-Dallas baseball field must be the highest point in Dallas County!

Given how flat Dallas County is, I suspect the pitchers could have seen virtually all of
southern Oklahoma from the mound (unless, of course, a few bob war fences were in the way) ....  ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 07, 2007, 04:30:06 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on May 07, 2007, 04:05:36 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 07, 2007, 03:03:01 PM
I have to say that the mound on the UT-Dallas baseball field must be the highest point in Dallas County!

Given how flat Dallas County is, I suspect the pitchers could have seen virtually all of
southern Oklahoma from the mound (unless, of course, a few bob war fences were in the way) ....  ;)
From that UT-D pitching mound, yep! :D

(Except for all of the 10-story office buildings that have been built between UT-D and the Okie border.)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on May 08, 2007, 04:30:16 PM
Quote from: Shiloh on May 04, 2007, 03:28:01 PM
And West POY goes to the guy with 4+ ERA on a 5th place team, and not the one with 1+ ERA on the 1st place team. Do they even know who they are voting on?

First off, Enloe had a great year of his own, so don't think I'm discounting his season. I think his season ERA was 2+, not 1+ though.

Secondly, Miller had a 3.89 ERA, 102 K's, and 16 BB's. Do you know who you're talking about? It's not like Enloe got beat out by a bad pitcher.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Shiloh on May 08, 2007, 08:32:56 PM
Actually, I think I do. I'm a fan of the 5th place team anyway. I was only looking at conference game stats. That seemed to make sense for post-season conference awards. My voting remark had more to do with the RP votes for a guy who about never pitched in relief (and never in conference). I was thinking that really was a mistake. I cheered plenty for Miller. There just seemed to be some, if not several, strange award results.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on May 09, 2007, 01:32:22 PM
I must apologize for my tone in my previous post. I was a little overly aggressive and had no right to be.

Personally, I think that the coaches, hopefully subconsciously, try to work the system to get the most recognition for their players, regardless of who actually deserves X award.

I think the stats for the entire season would be better. The point is to recognize the best pitcher/hitter/whatever in the conference, and their out-of-conference stats are part of that.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Shiloh on May 09, 2007, 05:40:56 PM
Fair enough. I'm more bummed about the 5th place finish. Good luck TLU I guess. CUA shouldn't have lost three to them, but we did. Now its the old wait until next year thing.....
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on May 10, 2007, 12:43:13 AM
Yes, good luck...TLU...Go all the way!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on May 10, 2007, 12:25:37 PM
I really think Miller deserved it. Plus im hearing he is suppose to be drafted this year in the draft. That will make two years in a row that Concordia has someone go in to the minor league system. COngrats to MIller.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on May 10, 2007, 12:31:25 PM
Also what I noticed that is unbeleivable is how Coach Mike Gardner from Concordia hsnt received coach of the year at all. That be saying hes the only coach from the ASC conference to reach the Div3 World Series. Makes you think is there some bias because they love Mueller at TLU and they are the Buffolo Bills of the ASC when it comes to the REgionals.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 10, 2007, 12:49:38 PM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on May 10, 2007, 12:31:25 PM
Also what I noticed that is unbelievable is how Coach Mike Gardner from Concordia hasn't received coach of the year at all. That be saying hes the only coach from the ASC conference to reach the Div3 World Series. Makes you think is there some bias because they love Mueller at TLU and they are the Buffalo Bills of the ASC when it comes to the regionals.
Tom Landry never was Coach of the Year!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on May 10, 2007, 04:46:11 PM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on May 10, 2007, 12:25:37 PM
I really think Miller deserved it. Plus im hearing he is suppose to be drafted this year in the draft. That will make two years in a row that Concordia has someone go in to the minor league system. COngrats to MIller.

Drafted? I hadn't heard that, but it would be great for the program. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he got a free agent deal though. For that matter, so should HSU's Simpson, at the very least.

And don't forget that one Scott Linebrink spent a couple years at CUA before heading to Texas State Southwest Texas. :P
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on May 10, 2007, 05:14:35 PM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on May 10, 2007, 12:31:25 PM
Also what I noticed that is unbeleivable is how Coach Mike Gardner from Concordia hsnt received coach of the year at all. That be saying hes the only coach from the ASC conference to reach the Div3 World Series. Makes you think is there some bias because they love Mueller at TLU and they are the Buffolo Bills of the ASC when it comes to the REgionals.

Wow! You put your finger right on it. The anti-Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod conspiracy amongst the ASC coaches rears its ugly head ... again.  :o
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pitchinmom on May 10, 2007, 08:28:26 PM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on May 10, 2007, 12:25:37 PM
I really think Miller deserved it. Plus im hearing he is suppose to be drafted this year in the draft. That will make two years in a row that Concordia has someone go in to the minor league system. COngrats to MIller.
Not that I'm biased or anything, but I'll agree with you!   Now, if I only knew what you knew about him being drafted!  This is all new to me and I'm not sure exactly how the draft process works!  Perhaps you have a crystal ball and can let me know which team is going to draft him and what round!  And, what do you mean go to the minors.  He's going straight to the big show!!!!  LOL :D  In all seriousness, perhaps you can educate me on the process.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pitchinmom on May 10, 2007, 08:36:36 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on May 10, 2007, 05:14:35 PM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on May 10, 2007, 12:31:25 PM
Also what I noticed that is unbeleivable is how Coach Mike Gardner from Concordia hsnt received coach of the year at all. That be saying hes the only coach from the ASC conference to reach the Div3 World Series. Makes you think is there some bias because they love Mueller at TLU and they are the Buffolo Bills of the ASC when it comes to the REgionals.

Wow! You put your finger right on it. The anti-Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod conspiracy amongst the ASC coaches rears its ugly head ... again.  :o
I don't know how the Coach of the Year is selected, but Gardner is definitely more than that in my books!  He's not only a remarkable coach who is highly respected by his players, he's an all around great man.  I have seen my son mature greatly over the last couple of years and as much as I would like to take the credit, I know that Garnder has had more to do with it than anyone.  I couldn't have asked for my son to have been in any better hands. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Shiloh on May 10, 2007, 09:38:31 PM
I'm a CUA fan and all that, but 5th place is 5th place. When CUA stops being scared to face left handers and stops being scared to go to Seguin, then we can talk about coaching. Just a thought, but from the talent I saw on the field in Seguin, the main difference was coaching. TLU took three that series and they're still going.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on May 11, 2007, 11:26:19 AM
CUA will be ok next season, I think. The only glaring hole will be Miller's spot in the rotation. If they can get a solid guy in that spot without pulling Aubry out of the pen, I wouldn't be suprised at all if they make a good run.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: DIIIBaseballFan on May 11, 2007, 11:44:53 AM
Rumor has it that the West Regionals will be in TEXAS.

Any information on this.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on May 11, 2007, 11:52:01 AM
Not for sure yet but Coach Driggers put a bid in to hold it in Abilene.

What are the chances that UTD gets and at large bid?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on May 11, 2007, 12:14:01 PM
Indian...pretty good, I think.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on May 11, 2007, 12:16:33 PM
Quote from: DIIIBaseballFan on May 11, 2007, 11:44:53 AM
Rumor has it that the West Regionals will be in TEXAS.

Any information on this.

It would be nice, but then I could not make the 15 minute drive to Chapman to watch the regional. I have watched every regional game at Chapman the past few seasons.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on May 11, 2007, 02:50:20 PM
Not to take anything away from this years team, but I went to at least 5 or 6 games and its not at all the coaching. THe talent is down from the teams a few years ago. But also when Gardner took over the program in 2001 he brought in almost all JUCO transfers from the Houston area, and had some guys that had no business playing Div 3 baseball. But thats my opinion.

About Miller From what I heard from one of the coaches in mid season it was stated that Miller was going to be possibly drafted.. Im not sure but from who, what I see yeah he could probably get a free agent deal. Ive seen guys get drafted before that you just couldnt beleive would in later rounds so he def. has a chance.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on May 11, 2007, 02:53:02 PM
The oly downfall about having the regional in Texas is the heat. The West regional we played in 2003 in Georgetown at Southwestern was I beleive in the 100's. But this year should be fine.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on May 11, 2007, 05:07:11 PM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on May 10, 2007, 12:31:25 PM
Also what I noticed that is unbeleivable is how Coach Mike Gardner from Concordia hsnt received coach of the year at all. That be saying hes the only coach from the ASC conference to reach the Div3 World Series. Makes you think is there some bias because they love Mueller at TLU and they are the Buffolo Bills of the ASC when it comes to the REgionals.

I'm trying to discern how this is pertinent information at all. TLU's Miller wasn't even coach of the year this year. The coach of the year was Wells from UMHB who got them to the playoffs. It had been the same four teams for the last few years.  It's hard to argue with the success Miller has had winning at least 30 games every year for the last 15 years, and 6 of the last 7 ASC West titles. Miller, Driggers, Gardner, and Coleman off have solid track records, and YES Concordia is the only ASC team to make to a Div III world series, but it's hard to argue with the success the Bulldogs have had the last couple of years.

Some_Guy
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: canpickit on May 11, 2007, 09:14:45 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on May 11, 2007, 05:07:11 PM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on May 10, 2007, 12:31:25 PM
Also what I noticed that is unbeleivable is how Coach Mike Gardner from Concordia hsnt received coach of the year at all. That be saying hes the only coach from the ASC conference to reach the Div3 World Series. Makes you think is there some bias because they love Mueller at TLU and they are the Buffolo Bills of the ASC when it comes to the REgionals.

I'm trying to discern how this is pertinent information at all. TLU's Miller wasn't even coach of the year this year. The coach of the year was Wells from UMHB who got them to the playoffs. It had been the same four teams for the last few years.  It's hard to argue with the success Miller has had winning at least 30 games every year for the last 15 years, and 6 of the last 7 ASC West titles. Miller, Driggers, Gardner, and Coleman off have solid track records, and YES Concordia is the only ASC team to make to a Div III world series, but it's hard to argue with the success the Bulldogs have had the last couple of years.

Some_Guy

I have been reading and listening to opinions on where the West Regional is going to be played the last couple of days.  With it looking more and more likely that 3 Texas teams are going to get in (TLU, UTD and Austin), I'd say there is at least a 75% chance the regionals will be held at McMurray.  My only feeling is that after looking at the 10 day weather report for Abilene, it looks like rain, thundershowers and more rain non-stop.  I think it would be an ultimate travesty if the regional was in Texas and teams and games were affected by the weather.  I know Chapman has hosted the regionals the last 4 years, but they do a good job running them, the weather is going be perfect (blue skies and high 80's temps), the field is gorgeous, there is plenty of lodging and the school and administration know how to run the thing like the back of their hand.  I think in a year where Chapman will be the #1 seed and weather could be a factor, playing the games in CA makes the most sense.  Also, I think if George Fox makes it, that might play into the picture and the fact maybe Austin gets shipped to the South region if only Millsaps OR Rhodes gets a Pool C.  I don't know, all I do know is that it would be brutal if a West Region team started their ace in a game, and he went 4 and then it started pouring and it altered everything and they couldn't bring that guy back, I think it would affect all 6 or 7 teams drastically.  Anyways, McMurray's stadium is legit and a great place to play, I just think more attention should be paid to weather, who the #1 seed is and logisitics.  I think money is a huge factor as always.  Any thoughts on if weather or Fox or 6 vs 7 team regional will affect location?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 11, 2007, 09:26:06 PM
It's more likely it would be at McMurry than McMurray.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 11, 2007, 09:27:42 PM
And I doubt they would make a decision based on weather reports. How reliable are they again?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on May 11, 2007, 09:39:45 PM
Quote from: canpickit on May 11, 2007, 09:14:45 PM
I have been reading and listening to opinions on where the West Regional is going to be played the last couple of days.  With it looking more and more likely that 3 Texas teams are going to get in (TLU, UTD and Austin), I'd say there is at least a 75% chance the regionals will be held at McMurray.  My only feeling is that after looking at the 10 day weather report for Abilene, it looks like rain, thundershowers and more rain non-stop.  I think it would be an ultimate travesty if the regional was in Texas and teams and games were affected by the weather.  I know Chapman has hosted the regionals the last 4 years, but they do a good job running them, the weather is going be perfect (blue skies and high 80's temps), the field is gorgeous, there is plenty of lodging and the school and administration know how to run the thing like the back of their hand.  I think in a year where Chapman will be the #1 seed and weather could be a factor, playing the games in CA makes the most sense.  Also, I think if George Fox makes it, that might play into the picture and the fact maybe Austin gets shipped to the South region if only Millsaps OR Rhodes gets a Pool C.  I don't know, all I do know is that it would be brutal if a West Region team started their ace in a game, and he went 4 and then it started pouring and it altered everything and they couldn't bring that guy back, I think it would affect all 6 or 7 teams drastically.  Anyways, McMurray's stadium is legit and a great place to play, I just think more attention should be paid to weather, who the #1 seed is and logisitics.  I think money is a huge factor as always.  Any thoughts on if weather or Fox or 6 vs 7 team regional will affect location?

Honestly the weather isn't something I've thought much about, but it does look like the weather gets pretty gross after Wednesday in Abilene.  That said, I just don't know that it is a viable reason to have the regional at Hart Park again. IF three Texas teams get in I would like to see the regional in McMurry. We can argue the logistics of it all we want, but my favorite part about it being a neutral site would be that ALL of the teams will be on the road. I would think that it would be advantageous to be playing at your home park where you have all of your fans and you're able to go home and get a good nights sleep in your own bed instead of crashing in a hotel room with 3 other guys.

The facilities at McMurry are certainly nicer than they are at Hart Park.

Money is obviously one of the primary factors the NCAA is going to look at.

The thing is IF I was a Chapman player I would want the opportunity to say, "Look, everyone has said that we get such an advantage playing at our home park.  Well this is how talented our team is, (i.e Drag, Kitchens, Yacko, Cavan, Dean, etc.) and we can win wherever we go."  I would want the chance to prove people wrong and get rid of that stigma surrounding that advantage the last few years. IF I was a probable starting pitcher in this thing  ;)  I would take greater pleasure in getting a big dub on the road, but that's just me.

Some_Guy
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: historymajor on May 11, 2007, 10:55:56 PM
Dallas seems more likely to me....  1 hr for Austin, 4 hrs for TLU and everyone else gets a cheap direct flight to DFW or Love...  Abilene is a connecting flight from anywhere.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: canpickit on May 12, 2007, 01:49:56 AM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on May 11, 2007, 09:39:45 PM
Quote from: canpickit on May 11, 2007, 09:14:45 PM
I have been reading and listening to opinions on where the West Regional is going to be played the last couple of days.  With it looking more and more likely that 3 Texas teams are going to get in (TLU, UTD and Austin), I'd say there is at least a 75% chance the regionals will be held at McMurray.  My only feeling is that after looking at the 10 day weather report for Abilene, it looks like rain, thundershowers and more rain non-stop.  I think it would be an ultimate travesty if the regional was in Texas and teams and games were affected by the weather.  I know Chapman has hosted the regionals the last 4 years, but they do a good job running them, the weather is going be perfect (blue skies and high 80's temps), the field is gorgeous, there is plenty of lodging and the school and administration know how to run the thing like the back of their hand.  I think in a year where Chapman will be the #1 seed and weather could be a factor, playing the games in CA makes the most sense.  Also, I think if George Fox makes it, that might play into the picture and the fact maybe Austin gets shipped to the South region if only Millsaps OR Rhodes gets a Pool C.  I don't know, all I do know is that it would be brutal if a West Region team started their ace in a game, and he went 4 and then it started pouring and it altered everything and they couldn't bring that guy back, I think it would affect all 6 or 7 teams drastically.  Anyways, McMurray's stadium is legit and a great place to play, I just think more attention should be paid to weather, who the #1 seed is and logisitics.  I think money is a huge factor as always.  Any thoughts on if weather or Fox or 6 vs 7 team regional will affect location?

Honestly the weather isn't something I've thought much about, but it does look like the weather gets pretty gross after Wednesday in Abilene.  That said, I just don't know that it is a viable reason to have the regional at Hart Park again. IF three Texas teams get in I would like to see the regional in McMurry. We can argue the logistics of it all we want, but my favorite part about it being a neutral site would be that ALL of the teams will be on the road. I would think that it would be advantageous to be playing at your home park where you have all of your fans and you're able to go home and get a good nights sleep in your own bed instead of crashing in a hotel room with 3 other guys.

The facilities at McMurry are certainly nicer than they are at Hart Park.

Money is obviously one of the primary factors the NCAA is going to look at.

The thing is IF I was a Chapman player I would want the opportunity to say, "Look, everyone has said that we get such an advantage playing at our home park.  Well this is how talented our team is, (i.e Drag, Kitchens, Yacko, Cavan, Dean, etc.) and we can win wherever we go."  I would want the chance to prove people wrong and get rid of that stigma surrounding that advantage the last few years. IF I was a probable starting pitcher in this thing  ;)  I would take greater pleasure in getting a big dub on the road, but that's just me.

Some_Guy


Thanks for giving me your thoughts on my post about the weather and if any attention is paid to it.  I am not saying that I/We do not want to travel to Texas, I was just throwing out another idea/thought for people to consider.  I mean, you tell me how great it would be waiting around 4 hours to play a delayed game or start a game and then have to resume it later.  Trust me, I have been there done that numerous times in Appleton (see 2005 World Series).  Also, I really believe Hart Park is a better playing surface, I will say McMurry has a sweet stadium, but as far as playing surface, Hart Park is way better.  Shoot, the Angels used it as a practice facility when they hosted the WBC last spring.  About your comment about winning on the road and proving people wrong, I will say that we are ready for such, but maybe because I am new to this board I am foreign to the "Chapman has a huge advantage" talk that goes on according to you.  If that is the case, if people believe we have a monstrous advantage playing at home and that is why we have been in 3 of the last 4 World Series', then get our team on the next plane to Texas so it is a completely neutral site and even playing field.  All I was doing was throwing out a concern that should be paid attention to, I was not saying we are bitter if we don't host or anything like that.  Shoot, I would love staying in a hotel, bonding with the guys even more, meal money, flying, win on the road, all the stuff that will go on. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on May 12, 2007, 01:40:28 PM
Weather can always be a factor, or have you not heard of California winds, wildfires and mudslides? Let alone smog.

Weather is a terrible reason to decide where to host a regional. None of the people on the committee are weather forecasters.

If it makes the most sense for it to be in Texas, then it should be in Texas whether the temps are 85 or 100. For that matter, I don't think it's really fair that Chapman hosts it every year long after that ship has sailed in pretty much every other regional.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseballroxmysox on May 12, 2007, 04:25:46 PM
Question: if McMurry hosts, does the NCAA fly all teams(except the three possible Texas teams) directly into Albilene?  Or would they fly them into Dallas and make them drive the 150 miles?? Will the NCAA put the 3 Texas teams into a hotel or are any of them close enough to make the daily commute?


And I believe that the weather should be a contributing factor to where they are held.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on May 12, 2007, 06:04:41 PM
Quote from: Spence on May 12, 2007, 01:40:28 PM
Weather can always be a factor, or have you not heard of California winds, wildfires and mudslides? Let alone smog.

Weather is a terrible reason to decide where to host a regional. None of the people on the committee are weather forecasters.

If it makes the most sense for it to be in Texas, then it should be in Texas whether the temps are 85 or 100. For that matter, I don't think it's really fair that Chapman hosts it every year long after that ship has sailed in pretty much every other regional.

I agree with Spence (shocking... I know). Weather will be the same for each team in each game. It should not be a factor in the decision. So Cal is full of wildfires right now. In fact, I could actually see two different fires from my classroom this week, which is not too far from Chapman.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bob Maxwell on May 12, 2007, 06:32:12 PM
Since you are all talking about where a tournament should be held, I want to ask if there is anything about holding the regional at a nuetral site.  Meaning not at a schools home field... but at a stadium in the area. 

Money is always a concern with NCAA regionals in all sports.  What does it cost to get the teams there, how much does the facility cost, what is the potential for revenues...

Just wondering if there is something that says it can or can't be on a teams home field?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 12, 2007, 06:35:09 PM
If I recall correctly, there's a provision for up to five neutral site regionals. There will probably be one up your way.

I'm not sure I follow -- are you saying that McMurry's campus stadium should not be considered? It's a campus stadium but McMurry is not going to be in the playoffs.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on May 12, 2007, 07:00:11 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 11, 2007, 09:27:42 PM
And I doubt they would make a decision based on weather reports. How reliable are they again?

Hey now :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 12, 2007, 07:26:20 PM
Quote from: baseballroxmysox on May 12, 2007, 04:25:46 PM
Question: if McMurry hosts, does the NCAA fly all teams(except the three possible Texas teams) directly into Albilene?  Or would they fly them into Dallas and make them drive the 150 miles?? Will the NCAA put the 3 Texas teams into a hotel or are any of them close enough to make the daily commute?


And I believe that the weather should be a contributing factor to where they are held.
Abilene can easily handle the tourney.  They host tourneys for high school kids all of the time and even have enough hotel rooms for ACU, HSU and McMurry to have Homecoming on the same weekend.

Abilene Regional Airport gets flights from Continental Express and American Eagle out of DFW and Houston Bush (IAH).

UT-Dallas is 200 miles away, Austin College 250 miles away and Texas Lutheran about 300 miles away, but all relatively close by Texas standards.  It would make a great neutral site.

None of the other 3 Texas venues have lights.  McMurry's Driggers Field is amongst the Top 20-30 ballparks in Division III, even though it is  a decade old by now.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 12, 2007, 09:01:38 PM
Quote from: Spence on May 12, 2007, 07:00:11 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 11, 2007, 09:27:42 PM
And I doubt they would make a decision based on weather reports. How reliable are they again?

Hey now :)

Sorry -- but 10 days out like Chapman infielder was posting -- how reliable are they usually?

Serious question.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on May 13, 2007, 04:37:34 AM
I'm just messing...heck weather people ourselves say we're the only people that get paid to be right half the time.

10 day forecasts for a specific time frame are damn near worthless IMO. You can make long term forecasts in a macro sense as to whether it's going to be hotter than normal or more active hurricanes than normal but obviously as we saw last year even those aren't anywhere near 100%.

I believe the GFS model starts modeling at 168 hours out. The North American models are shorter time frames. The GFS usually requires adjustment based on analysis and observation. Maybe it's moving something too slow or too fast or going overboard on something. Bottom line is it's not gospel at all. The shorter term products designed specifically for use in the United States are more accurate, though still far from perfect.

Long story short, you're right to be very skeptical of long-term forecasts. In the military, they're made and they're used, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're going to be right. Plans are made based on the best forecast that can be made within the time frame required to make a given decision.

I don't think weather should be a factor for determining where a regional should be.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 2X All-American on May 13, 2007, 03:31:18 PM
shouldn't there be an advantage of being the number 1 team in the region (ie - hosting the regional) aside from playing the lowest rank team in that regional? if chapman is rated number 1 in the west region, putting all the money, niceness of the fields, and weather factors aside, shouldn't they be awarded a home field advantage for achieving the number 1 ranking in the region? i thought redlands should have hosted the '06 regionals, because they were ranked number 1 in the region, yet they didnt have lights, so it was moved to their closest-to-home park with lights (chapman), other than la verne who has horrible lights. i understand the whole, "if there are 3 teams in texas go to texas" idea, but i still believe a #1 ranking in a region deserves some advantages.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on May 13, 2007, 03:51:56 PM
You may think this, but this isn't how things have trended. Ferrum is hosting the South regional and will probably be no higher than a 4 seed. That said, McMurry is not likely to be in a regional, and so that wouldn't be a problem if the tournament was at Walt Driggers Field.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on May 13, 2007, 11:37:08 PM
im new to this whole msg boards and to D3 baseball in general... and i was just wondering what are the qualifications for an at large bid?  and i ask this not to discreadit UTD (because they are a very talented ball club) but how is it that a team get in when mcm has beat them 3 of 5 including a run rule in tournament play? 

And i want to say again i am just ignorant in this issue i dont want to take anything away from UTD they have had a great season and i hope them the best i am just wondering.

thanks for any input.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on May 13, 2007, 11:46:42 PM
I don't feel like getting into the logistics of it in terms of in region records (UTD's is better).  I mean UTD has a win % over 100 pts higher than McMurry's.  IF McMurry doesn't drop TWO to Schreiner, wins the Southwestern game, and doesn't get swept by TLU (4 games), I think they have a decent chance at it.  They played a tough schedule and they were certainlly the second best team in the ASC West.

Do I think they're a better team than UTD? I don't know.  In tournament play, I'd say yes.  I think both teams have the ability to put up HUGE offensive numbers that rival any team in the nation, but at the end of the day I think McMurry has more depth on the mound than UTD does.  I think that Cox is going to give UTD a chance to win ANY game he pitches, and Waggoner threw very well against TLU in the ASC Tourney, but after that I feel like McMurry can run some more guys out there.

Probably didn't answer your question, but essentially it boils down to McMurry having a worse in-region record.

Some_Guy
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on May 14, 2007, 12:03:33 AM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on May 13, 2007, 11:46:42 PM
I don't feel like getting into the logistics of it in terms of in region records (UTD's is better).  I mean UTD has a win % over 100 pts higher than McMurry's.  IF McMurry doesn't drop TWO to Schreiner, wins the Southwestern game, and doesn't get swept by TLU (4 games), I think they have a decent chance at it.  They played a tough schedule and they were certainlly the second best team in the ASC West.

Do I think they're a better team than UTD? I don't know.  In tournament play, I'd say yes.  I think both teams have the ability to put up HUGE offensive numbers that rival any team in the nation, but at the end of the day I think McMurry has more depth on the mound than UTD does.  I think that Cox is going to give UTD a chance to win ANY game he pitches, and Waggoner threw very well against TLU in the ASC Tourney, but after that I feel like McMurry can run some more guys out there.

Probably didn't answer your question, but essentially it boils down to McMurry having a worse in-region record.

Some_Guy

ill agree with that and i know that MCM didnt have the year they had planed on.  i just was also wondering if strength of schedule has anything to do with it ( for future refernce) it looks like UTD played about the same teams as mcm. again just wondering dont want to take anything away from the comets they have had a fantastic year and deserve to be there. thanks again!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 14, 2007, 01:08:26 AM
Guy covered it very well.

I think that we McM get in with the win over Southwestern, sweeping series that we must (Schreiner) and beating TLU one game out of four.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on May 15, 2007, 12:20:16 PM
Here's my set of day 1 predictions based on Bill James' log5 method and the seven teams' pythagorean winning percentages. There are no corrections for home-field advantage, travel, or anything else. The percentage chance of the listed outcome follows in parentheses.

Pomona-Pitzer def. Texas Lutheran (54.3%)
George Fox def. Texas-Dallas (61.2%)
Pacific Lutheran def. Austin College (82.7%)
Chapman def. Texas-Dallas (65.7%), UTD eliminated

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on May 15, 2007, 01:34:59 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on May 15, 2007, 12:20:16 PM
Here's my set of day 1 predictions based on Bill James' log5 method and the seven teams' pythagorean winning percentages. There are no corrections for home-field advantage, travel, or anything else. The percentage chance of the listed outcome follows in parentheses.

Pomona-Pitzer def. Texas Lutheran (54.3%)
George Fox def. Texas-Dallas (61.2%)
Pacific Lutheran def. Austin College (82.7%)
Chapman def. Texas-Dallas (65.7%), UTD eliminated



I have no idea what you are saying, but I like the idea. I am not much of a math/logarithm-type guy.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: utilitycat17 on May 15, 2007, 03:25:34 PM
Wow, no love for your fellow Texans.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 15, 2007, 05:03:26 PM
Math has no capacity for love or hate. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: utilitycat17 on May 15, 2007, 07:18:25 PM
Just for fun, I'll take a stab at guessing the first few games of the west regional.
Game 1
Texas-Dallas over George Fox
Game 2
Texas Lutheran over Pomona Pitzer
Game 3
Pacific Lutheran over Austin
Game 4
Chapman over George Fox
Game 5
Pomona Pitzer over Austin
Game 6
Pacific Lutheran over Texas Lutheran
Game 7
Chapman over Texas-Dallas

I don't see any early upsets.  Maybe game 6 is a toss up.  Of course, the later you get into the tournament the more likely it is to see an offensive show and possibly an upset.  I think Chapman will win it with Texas Lutheran and Pacific Lutheran fighting for second.  Texas Lutheran is probably the better choice here because of experience.  However, if it comes down to pitching and defense, as is usually the case in the post-season, look out for PLU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jim Dixon on May 15, 2007, 07:34:36 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on May 15, 2007, 12:20:16 PM
Here's my set of day 1 predictions based on Bill James' log5 method and the seven teams' pythagorean winning percentages. There are no corrections for home-field advantage, travel, or anything else. The percentage chance of the listed outcome follows in parentheses.

Pomona-Pitzer def. Texas Lutheran (54.3%)
George Fox def. Texas-Dallas (61.2%)
Pacific Lutheran def. Austin College (82.7%)
Chapman def. Texas-Dallas (65.7%), UTD eliminated



I am not a statictian but can you take this further?   Would the probability for Texas-Dallas being eliminated be (.612) x (.657) or 0.402 -> 40.2% chance of being eliminated on the first day?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on May 16, 2007, 09:25:13 AM
Dixon: Yeah, that's how it works. So we're looking at a 40.2% chance that UTD will be eliminated on the first day.

And no, I'm not going to try and do every possible outcome. :P I'm not *that* weird. :P
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on May 16, 2007, 10:02:41 AM
I've got much the same only TLU getting to the finals, winning one game and then losing to Chapman.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thefalcdeuces on May 16, 2007, 10:27:42 AM
im going w spence on this one. i think tlu will role until they face chapman at the end. dont get me wrong, i think tlu is legit but it seems to me that they will falter come championship time and chapman will shine......AGAIN. it really is ashame that the west region is so stacked because there really should be two teams from this region packing their bags appleton and getting ready for some wild nights at the wooden nickel
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thefalcdeuces on May 16, 2007, 02:12:34 PM
is dallas 4 real?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on May 16, 2007, 03:50:54 PM
WEll looks like your calculator simulation isnt working on the first day as UT Dallas just won 5-3 over George Fox.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 16, 2007, 10:41:24 PM
No, his calculator is working.  All he said is that GFU would be UT-D 61-39 in the next 100 games (or win 3 out of 5).  It looks like the game was as close as the calculator predicted.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on May 16, 2007, 11:15:28 PM
I don't think that pythag (which I'm a big fan of in a lot of situations) works too well when you have virtually no common opponents. It could be kind of like saying Huntington High went 31-2 and beat everyone they played by 12 runs except for the two losses, and the Pittsburgh Pirates are 15-20 and have been held to 2 runs or less 9 times. Based on the numbers alone, you'd say Huntington would win. Obviously, that's crazy.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on May 17, 2007, 02:00:56 PM
Quote from: Spence on May 16, 2007, 11:15:28 PM
I don't think that pythag (which I'm a big fan of in a lot of situations) works too well when you have virtually no common opponents. It could be kind of like saying Huntington High went 31-2 and beat everyone they played by 12 runs except for the two losses, and the Pittsburgh Pirates are 15-20 and have been held to 2 runs or less 9 times. Based on the numbers alone, you'd say Huntington would win. Obviously, that's crazy.

Well.... it IS the Pirates. It could happen.

Huntington (Beach) High, CA pounded my team this year. They are pretty good.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on May 17, 2007, 05:51:21 PM
I was actually thinking of the basketball juggernaut in West Virginia this year that had like 4 D-I players (historic is pretty much any WV team with more than 1) but sort of mixed my metaphors.

The Pirates are middle of the pack in the NL Central right now despite not scoring hardly any runs. Lot of season to go for Jim Tracy and a bunch of young guys.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on May 17, 2007, 05:55:24 PM
Quote from: Spence on May 17, 2007, 05:51:21 PM

The Pirates are middle of the pack in the NL Central right now despite not scoring hardly any runs. Lot of season to go for Jim Tracy and a bunch of young guys.


I believe they are behind my beloved Brewers! I feel like it is 1982 all over again.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on May 23, 2007, 06:03:32 PM
I know not everyone can make the squad, but I'm a bit dissapointed that HSU's Michael Simpson didn't make even the D3baseball.com Honorable Mention team. 

He clearly had the stats:  a .409 batting average, 13 HR, 53 RBI, 124 total bases, a .756 slugging percentage and a .967 fielding percentage.

Of course, all the kids that made the squad are deserving--I just wanted Michael to get some kudos for a great career at HSU.   :-[
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on May 29, 2007, 03:26:08 PM
Quote from: Spence on May 16, 2007, 11:15:28 PM
I don't think that pythag (which I'm a big fan of in a lot of situations) works too well when you have virtually no common opponents. It could be kind of like saying Huntington High went 31-2 and beat everyone they played by 12 runs except for the two losses, and the Pittsburgh Pirates are 15-20 and have been held to 2 runs or less 9 times. Based on the numbers alone, you'd say Huntington would win. Obviously, that's crazy.

It would work if I was able to do some kind of adjustment based on league difficulty, which I wasn't really inclined to try and figure out at the time. On the other hand, I figured that the raw runs scored and allowed totals were close enough for a quick-and-dirty calculation, so I just did that. Maybe I'll fiddle around with some kind of adjustment during the summer...or maybe I'll get a real job that won't give me the time. :P

I also think that Simpson should have gotten a nod. That's an awful good line for any position, but he did it playing center. I'd bet that most of the OF on the list were corner guys, but that's just my speculation. *wishes he had the data and time to do VORP*
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 21, 2007, 07:05:18 PM
Got an update on a one-time Concordia-U Austin pitcher:

http://www.frontierleague.com/rosters/rivercity.php
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pitchinmom on June 28, 2007, 08:06:05 PM
Thanks for posting the update WLCALUM83.  Jonathan is having the time of his life right now.  He had been in contact with a couple of MLB clubs, but when the opportunity came for him to play in the Frontier League, he decided to go ahead and sieze the moment.  He got the call on Father's day, flew to St. Lois on Monday and pitched on Tuesday.  Thus far he's been mostly middle relief, but his last game he entered in the bottom of the 9th, bases loaded and 2 outs! He struck out the only batter he faced.  Hopefully, he'll continue to be successful.  I only wish my computer was working properly and I could listen to his games!   
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on July 06, 2007, 07:50:49 AM
Pitchinmom, you may be a bit happier after you see the pitching lines on this link:

http://www.frontierleague.com/2007scores/wcy7050.html

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pitchinmom on July 06, 2007, 07:22:40 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on July 06, 2007, 07:50:49 AM
Pitchinmom, you may be a bit happier after you see the pitching lines on this link:

http://www.frontierleague.com/2007scores/wcy7050.html


Thanks.  I finally was able to actually listen to the game last night, after spending about 9 hours on the phone with microsoft.  Jonathan called me today to let me know that they are moving him to the starting rotation and he is slated to get his first start for the Rascals on Monday.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 07, 2007, 05:54:15 PM
Isn't Microsoft wonderful?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pg04 on July 07, 2007, 06:26:10 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 07, 2007, 05:54:15 PM
Isn't Microsoft wonderful?

Is that a rhetorical question?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 07, 2007, 08:11:30 PM
Quote from: pg04 on July 07, 2007, 06:26:10 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 07, 2007, 05:54:15 PM
Isn't Microsoft wonderful?

Is that a rhetorical question?

What else would it be? :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pitchinmom on July 10, 2007, 10:49:19 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on July 06, 2007, 07:50:49 AM
Pitchinmom, you may be a bit happier after you see the pitching lines on this link:

http://www.frontierleague.com/2007scores/wcy7050.html


Here's the article from the O'Fallon Journal after Miller's first professional start.  There's a pretty cool picture in the article as well!
http://ofallonjournal.stltoday.com/articles/2007/07/10/sports/sj2tn20070710-0711stc_ras.ii1.txt (http://ofallonjournal.stltoday.com/articles/2007/07/10/sports/sj2tn20070710-0711stc_ras.ii1.txt)

Title: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 18, 2007, 02:04:49 PM
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Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 06, 2007, 10:38:42 PM
Good fall season for McMurry.

They scrimmaged Cisco JC on ?Friday?.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 20, 2007, 08:29:47 AM
McMurry's 2008 Schedule (http://athletics.mcm.edu/schedules.asp?path=baseball)

Coach Driggers knows how to build a schedule!

Forty games, only Marietta and the mid-week game versus NAIA Wayland Baptist are not in-region.

He has perennial powers Chapman and George Fox on the non-conference schedule.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on December 10, 2007, 12:57:55 AM
Texas Lutheran Baseball Schedule (http://www.tlu.edu/athletics/mens_athletics/mens_baseball/2008_baseball_schedule)

Looks like new head coach Greg Burnett finally did something Miller was never willing to do.  He got rid of the two useless Huston-Tillitson games in favor of a west coast run-in with La Verne (2) and the Redlands (2). That's a tough weekend for the Bulldogs, but good to see them playing some stiffer competition AND more importantly adding 4 in-region games to the schedule to accompany their lone 2 games with Trinity every year.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 10, 2007, 01:15:54 AM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on December 10, 2007, 12:57:55 AM
Texas Lutheran Baseball Schedule (http://www.tlu.edu/athletics/mens_athletics/mens_baseball/2008_baseball_schedule)

Looks like new head coach Greg Burnett finally did something Miller was never willing to do.  He got rid of the two useless Huston-Tillitson games in favor of a west coast run-in with La Verne (2) and the Redlands (2). That's a tough weekend for the Bulldogs, but good to see them playing some stiffer competition AND more importantly adding 4 in-region games to the schedule to accompany their lone 2 games with Trinity every year.

JSG
JSG, congratulations to TLU!

That is a great schedule!  The Bulldogs open against in-region AC.  The midweek non-in-region games versus Wabash, Concordia NE and Sterling KS are the only non-in-games present.

This may be the difference in boosting the ASC schools over Chapman in seeding.

Here is McMurry's (http://athletics.mcm.edu/schedules.asp?path=baseball).  Note the three game series with Chapman and hosting George Fox for 3 games!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on December 10, 2007, 11:24:22 AM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on December 10, 2007, 12:57:55 AM
Texas Lutheran Baseball Schedule (http://www.tlu.edu/athletics/mens_athletics/mens_baseball/2008_baseball_schedule)

Looks like new head coach Greg Burnett finally did something Miller was never willing to do.  He got rid of the two useless Huston-Tillitson games in favor of a west coast run-in with La Verne (2) and the Redlands (2). That's a tough weekend for the Bulldogs, but good to see them playing some stiffer competition AND more importantly adding 4 in-region games to the schedule to accompany their lone 2 games with Trinity every year.

JSG

I am looking forward to catching those games as it will give me a more rounded view of the region's teams. It is always hard to catch the Texas teams unless they travel to the greater- Los Angeles area.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on December 10, 2007, 09:19:02 PM
I know this is early but are there any predictions for the upcoming season on how the conference will turn out?

And I love the fact that mmore ASC teams are playing tough games early on in the season.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tball275 on January 17, 2008, 03:46:21 PM
Ozarks first game is Feb. 5 vs. Hendrix.  Should be a good game to open up the season for the Eagles.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Mack09 on January 28, 2008, 02:43:06 PM
Quote from: indian4life on December 10, 2007, 09:19:02 PM
I know this is early but are there any predictions for the upcoming season on how the conference will turn out?

And I love the fact that mmore ASC teams are playing tough games early on in the season.

I know it is probably too early to make any predictions, but I am going to take a crack at it to spark some discussion.

West

1. Tx Lutheran
2. McMurry
3. UMHB
4. Hardin Simmons
5. Concordia
6. Schreiner
7. Howard Payne
8. Sul Ross

East
1. Tx Tyler
2. Tx Dallas
3. Ozarks
4. Miss. College
5. La. College
6. ETBU
7. Letourneau

I know these are pretty close to the finishing standings of last season, but I feel like it could be an accurate finish to the season again this year.

On a side note I really feel like the west can be a toss up this year between McMurry and TLU.  I'm taking TLU because McMurry has to travel to Seguin, and (correct me if I am wrong) has never won a series against TLU since the Bulldogs joined the conference.

Tyler is likely to be a powerhouse again with a new load of JuCo talent, but we'll see if they can come together.  I think the Ozarks and UMHB are teams to watch.  They both had improving seasons last year.

I think the champions (and it is way too early for this) could be either McMurry, Tyler, or TLU.  It will all depend on which team can come together and get hot at the right time.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on January 28, 2008, 06:44:54 PM
Just looking at the talent in the ASC is scary. It is still hard to believe they only get one Pool A bid. Most eight team conferences get one as well so it is hard to justify only giving one to the ASC's 17 team conference.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Mack09 on January 28, 2008, 07:17:54 PM
I agree with you entirely BigPoppa.  I also think that the ASC does not get the recognition it deserves as being a tough conference.  A perfect example came last year when UTD beat TLU in the regionals but finished third in the conf. tournament at their own park.  On top of that UT Tyler was the best team and didn't even get a chance to go.  It is unfortunate but you just have to play the hand that is dealt. 

I think there should be a legitimate case for three teams to come from the ASC this year depending on how some teams fair early in the year in those in region games.  It will be fun to watch.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jim Dixon on January 28, 2008, 07:44:44 PM
Quote from: Mack09 on January 28, 2008, 07:17:54 PM
I agree with you entirely BigPoppa.  I also think that the ASC does not get the recognition it deserves as being a tough conference.  A perfect example came last year when UTD beat TLU in the regionals but finished third in the conf. tournament at their own park.  On top of that UT Tyler was the best team and didn't even get a chance to go.  It is unfortunate but you just have to play the hand that is dealt. 

I don't know if the MAC Freedom and MAC Commonwelath were one conference in the past - I suspect so.  If you split the conference in two, you get two automatic bids. 

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 29, 2008, 12:32:13 AM
Quote from: Jim Dixon on January 28, 2008, 07:44:44 PM
Quote from: Mack09 on January 28, 2008, 07:17:54 PM
I agree with you entirely BigPoppa.  I also think that the ASC does not get the recognition it deserves as being a tough conference.  A perfect example came last year when UTD beat TLU in the regionals but finished third in the conf. tournament at their own park.  On top of that UT Tyler was the best team and didn't even get a chance to go.  It is unfortunate but you just have to play the hand that is dealt. 

I don't know if the MAC Freedom and MAC Commonwelath were one conference in the past - I suspect so.  If you split the conference in two, you get two automatic bids. 
For ASC fans, the challenge of getting two conferences is that several schools need to add other sports, and it is prudent not to have the "minimum" number of teams in the conference.  The migration from the MAC Commonwealth has left them with only 5 schools.  They need to find two affiliates or new members/programs to get to the seven necessary for the AQ by the 2010 season, or they move to Pool B.

If we had 2 more schools on the West and probably 3 more on the East, then creating a new conference might be wise.

I keep asking UT-Tyler, is your 7,000 student state supported school really a peer institution to the University of Ozarks or Louisiana College?

Also, I would love to have the correspondence from the president of UT-Dallas on on UT-Dallas letterhead stating that all of the ASC schools that are considered peer institutions in the fields of neurological sciences, psychology and computation sciences.   :D
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on January 29, 2008, 10:18:00 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 29, 2008, 12:32:13 AM
I keep asking UT-Tyler, is your 7,000 student state supported school really a peer institution to the University of Ozarks or Louisiana College?

Also, I would love to have the correspondence from the president of UT-Dallas on on UT-Dallas letterhead stating that all of the ASC schools that are considered peer institutions in the fields of neurological sciences, psychology and computation sciences.   :D

Don't even get me started.  ;)

I am primarily familiar with the West Region and the SCAC schools. What are some other examples across the nation
of really good programs that can attribute some of their success to the fact that they're state-supported, cheaper tuition,
and easier admission standards? Let's be honest -- some of these schools can go get guys (including JUCO guys) that
would never have the financial means or the grades to get into some of the other ASC schools?

Also - in the ASC what schools are definitely at a disadvantage in terms of admission standards,
cost of tuition, etc. when it comes to other sports? Some more than others?

JSG


Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Mack09 on January 29, 2008, 12:55:36 PM
I believe but am not certain that TLU has the highest tuition in the conference.  I think that makes it more amazing that they keep fielding quality teams.  I do know that they struggle in basketball, and are not great in football.  McMurry has a high tuition rate as well. 

There are some definite issues in the ASC, but what can you do?  If the conference was broken up as is it would likely lose its automatic bid.  Maybe there is a fix in the future that might move UT Dallas and Tyler to a Division II program. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on January 30, 2008, 06:21:27 PM
In case anyone missed it on the main page here are the preseason predictions/awards for the ASC:

http://d3baseball.com/pressreleases/ASC/2008/01/29/ASC-Preseason-PollAwards-Announced/2169

Any thoughts?

I have a few opinions and will probably post them later this evening...

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on January 31, 2008, 12:43:25 AM
ASC West Predictions

Texas Lutheran - How does this team recover after losing possibly two of the best pitchers to grace the ASC in Besa (8-0 last year) and Enloe (7-1 last year)? Throw in their middle INF that included SS Jake Kaase (ASC West Division Co-Player of the Year last year after hitting .422 with 56 RBI, four home runs, 15 doubles and two triples) who was drafted by the Rangers and 2nd Scott Matocha (.374, 13 SBs) and you begin to wonder.

They've placed stars in the past, John Krog and Aaron Crais among others, but never had to rely so much on pitchers with such a small amount of experience. PITCHING will be the key for the Bulldogs in '08.

They'll be led by ASC Preseason Pitcher of the Year SO Logan Hull (7-2, 3.54 ERA) and Closer Robert Conley (3-2, 2.54 ERA, 6 SVs), and ask mid-week starter/reliever Austin Yager to repeat his 8-1 record last year. Brad Wesson and Tom Hembree will be other Bulldogs to keep an eye on. SO Ryan McGinley also started 2 games last year including the Bulldogs final playoff game, a loss to UTD.

Offensively the Bulldogs return notables SO OF Ryan Nokelby (.361, 3rd Team All West Region), JR OF Kyle Harvey(.370, .489 OBP), SR 1B Jason Foley (.360, 48 RBI), and SR DH/3B Joseph Brade (.333, 18 2B).

Who fills in up the middle? I doubt there's any Kaase's hiding on this roster, but the Bulldogs do have Joe Gentry listed as a 3B/SS who hit .289 and started 10 games. They also have Concordia transfer Chris Green who I believe started the year starting at 2nd for CUA last year prior to an injury that curtailed the rest of season. There's also a 2nd base TR from Howard on the roster who could possibly figure into the mix, but I have no clue to be honest. This has to be a concern.

JR Drew Farr, who started 3 games last year prior to a season-ending injury might start in LF according to their team preview. Also, Jr. Chris Siniff (.167 in limited action) is expected to start behind the dish.

There's a lot of new faces, including new head coach Greg Burnett who will try to fill the shoes of Bill Miller who had a .771 winning percentage over the last nine years.

I've learned not to doubt this team, so I won't. They have plenty of offensive firepower to be score a lot of runs, but some new faces are going to have to step up on the bump, and some new guys (or Gentry) will have to play solid D up the middle for the Bulldogs to repeat.


McMurry - McMurry returns the conferences best 3-5, or 2-4 (depending on how Coach Driggers uses them) in West Preseason Player of the Year Brent Vorhees (.370, 14 HRs - 3 HRs from breaking the conference record), Derek David (.390, 7HR, 61 RBI) (both D3 baseball All Americans), and all region performer Weston Franco (.373, 11 HR).

They also return Steven Yurchik (.468 in 21 starts/27 games) who emerged as a key contributor near the end of last year and all conference honorees Nathan Love and Jeff Jackson.

Key offensive losses will be Hank Casey (.371)and Joseph Cervantes (.350, 19 SBs).

It is hard for me to guage what else they have in terms of offense. It doesn't appear as though they've gone out and got as many JUCO guys as they've had in the past, but it's tough to tell from their roster. Ross Shores might be one guy to watch.

I think TLU may be better offensively top to bottom than McMurry, but if Yurchik is getting on base in front of their big 3, AND some new guys emerge near the bottom of the order they'll be tough to handle. I think Jackson is a servicable hitter, but I'm not sold on Nathan Love yet.

In terms of pitching though, McMurry is in decent shape  this year. They lose Nick Schafer who had a GREAT year last year (10-1), but return their other two weekend starters Clint Johnston and Cody Curry (both 6-2). Johnston's a durable, crafty guy who pitches efficiently. I like him alot. Vorhees can throw if he has to, but I'd rather see them let him focus on hitting. The third starter might be Aaron Wood, who led the team in ERA last year (2.25) and avg against (.245). Where McMurry has needed help (at least the last two years) has been depth out of the pen. I like what LHP Kyle Martin is capable of, but he'll need some help. 

I've been back and forth between picking McMurry and TLU, and I just can't decide (is that a cop out or what?) McMurry has ALWAYS had trouble with TLU, and especially in Seguin (where they have them this year), but I really like these veteran leaders (Vorhees is a class act), the core of their lineup, and TLU's inexperienced pitching and the lack of Jake Kaase makes me leery.

Mary-Hardin Baylor - So UMHB seven starting position players and returns five pitchers 17 innings pitched a couple of others that could certainly be called upon if they were needed. They'll lose starters Chase Beyrand (6 HRs) and Ricky LaFont (.352, .975 F% at the hot corner), and they may miss the big man Bill Pearce on the bump (73 Ks and 50 IP).

I honestly think this is the 3rd place team in the ASC West this year. HSU and CUA have traditionally had better programs, but UMHB has been steadily ascending and they made their first ever ASC playoff birth last year.  That said, they're going to have to find some starting pitching. Garza, Tumlinson and Dobbins are possibly their 1,2,3 (the only ASC team that doesn't have to find at least one new starter?), but Tumlinson (6.75 ERA) and Dobbins (7.30 ERA) weren't exactly stellar on the mound last year.

Garza's really good, but I like him so much better out the pen, in a closer, go to guy in a close game type of role (much in the same way that Chapman tends to use Yacko). He's a smaller guy and I'm not certain his frame is that durable playing both ways and leading the team in innings pitched. That said Garza was fairly solid down the stretch last year, while Tumlinson and Dobbins struggled with the better offensive teams.

Pitching in the ASC has never really been ridiculous (I'd say it might've been the strongest when CUA and TLU both had pretty solid guys on the bump in '02ish) so with those three and Vaughn and Hawkins (and probably Les Sarles) contributing out of the pen, and one or two new guys making an impact this is definitely a team to contend with.

Offensively they return the bulk of their guys from last year. Villegas (.399, 3 3B, 4 HR, 14 SBs) was a monster and definitely one of the toughest outs in the ASC. With him and Volz (.368, 21 SBs) at the top of the line up they can start a really quick. Only TLU's tandem of Harvey/Nokelby rivals these two. In the 3-4 slots you're probably looking at Froschel (.381, 6 HR) and Reinlie (.393, 8 HR). Throw Garza (.362, 4 HR) and Andrew White (.340 in 10 starts) into the mix and you have some solid sticks. Earnest Pena and SS Jonathan Whitehead will also be in the mix.

Concordia - Once a team that competed for the top of the conference Concordia has slipped a bit the past two years. They lose their best pitcher Jonathan Miller who had a great year last year, their best two power hitters C Bill Mitchell (7 HRs) and Brad Payne (6 HR).

That said they return the core of their team that finished 5th (and just out of the ASC playoffs last year).

Offensively the return their top hitter from last year SR OF/2B Bryan Jacobs (.382, 10 SBs), and Patrick Mercer (.346), Chad Thielpape (.324), and Trey Struhall (.301). Also, 3B/P Steven Szkotak hit .280. Nick Cmerek and Kyle Rhodes could also be called upon this year.

Coach Mike Gardner also went out and got some new guys from baseball savvy schools. It will be interesting to see if any of those guys can contribute.

Despite losing Miller, CUA returns their other two weekend starters, Szkotak (5-5, 4.56 ERA), Ethan Morrison (6-4, 5.40) and top closer Matt Aubry (2-1, 4.24, 5 SVs). But other than these three CUA doesn't have one pitcher on the roster who threw more than 3 varsity innnings last year. You have to wonder about their depth on the bump. And with all do respect to their returners - they're servicable guys, but I can't see them beating an offensive like TLUs or McM's -- except for those once a year games.

In other words, they don't have a Jonathan Miller that will go out there and consistently give them a really good chance to win against really good offenses (not that Miller pitched great against the top teams in the conference last year). Aubry may have the stuff, but being from a closers role I don't know that he has the durability.

It's hard to say where this team finishes the year.  I like the fact that they are starting to develop their own identity with their core guys offensively, but there are currently BIG question marks in their rotation after those three guys. 


Hardin Simmons - To me Hardin Simmons year to contend was definitely last year, but their pitching was sub par (7.15 ERA) and that definitely cost them. They had a good core though for a couple of years. It will be interesting to see what they do with only 2 returning position starters.

With CUA and HSU seemingly taking a little step back and now with Tyler eligible is the East gaining ground on the West's dominance over the last few years?

HSU loses Michael Simpson (.409, 13 HR), Brad Coleman (.357, 6 HR), Koch, Ruth and Gibbs, among others.

Offensively they'll be led by Ryan Stepp (.375, 4 HR). Justin Gage (.297 - 33 starts), Kyle Swearingen (.313 - 9 starts), and Tre Sellari (.244 - 5 starts) might all be called on. Because this team lost so much I'm virtually completely in the dark about what they're capable of. They have a SO-TR J.T. Armstrong, but obviously we're going to see a lot of new faces for the Cowboys this year. I don't want to underestimate anyone, but I just don't envision them being very strong offensively this year with so many guys getting their first crack at it.

On the mound, they have some guys coming back. Josh Alcorn, Nathan Copeland, Kyle Barton, Lance Johnson, and James Sweatman all saw significant innings last year. In addition Tim Kreigal started a couple of games. Alcorn (3.74 ERA, .208 avg against, 6 SVs) was their only guy with an ERA under 5.00 so it'll be interesting to see how some of these guys have developed in the off-season.

Alcorn has the ability to be a top notch pitcher in West - He's right up there with TLU's Hull and McM's Johnston. I assume he'll be called upon to start this year, but maybe not.

It's imperative the staff as a whole is better this year, because I doubt they'll get the run support they received last year, BUT I think some of these pitchers are better than they are on paper so they'll be interesting to follow.


JSG



Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on January 31, 2008, 02:13:20 AM
Well I believe that you are pretty much spot on with your predictions JSG and ill have to agree with you that TLU and McM will be fun to watch.
Here is a little insider information not sure if it is known publicly..

HSU has had a few guys quit this fall (Could be just the rumor mill) but i have heard of a number of players but Steep would be the biggest name
They also have had Coplend working out at 3rd all fall (99.9 % Sure)

As for my predictions are as follows
West
McMurry (Although it will be tough with the group of Seniors and returners I think its theirs to lose)
TLU (Will put up a fight like every year and might take it)
Concordia (Tough at home and will suprise more than a few teams)
UMHB (They are my "Sneaker Team" will be scrappy and could beat anyone)
HSU (Have to many holes)
Howard Payne (will win a few suprises but not enough)
Schriner (not enough)
Sol Ross (Start reloading AGAIN)

East
Texas-Tyler (solid team but a little down from last year they might have 4 losses this year)
Texas-Dallas (deep team who can score with the best of them
Mississippi College (always tough to play)
Ozarks (An older team than last year and were a scrappy bunch then and will be again)
Louisiana College
East Texas Baptist
LeTourneau

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on January 31, 2008, 12:00:39 PM
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Howard Payne - HPU's website claims they have 5 returning all conference players, it doesn't mention that they're all all-honorable mentions and that sometimes goes all the way down to the 6th best at that position with 8 teams in the conference.

Side Note: It's GREAT recognizing individual achievements, but I wouldn't want to feel like those awards are watered down and given to everyone who started in conference play. I wish the ASC would stick to a 1st, 2nd, and honorable mention – with only ONE honorable mention at each position.

Now, HPU loses probably their best overall player in Kasey Black (I really enjoyed watching him play) and best pitchesr in Justin Davies and Josh Holmes, but they do return some capable guys. They haven't posted a 2008 roster so it's hard to gauge exactly what they'll have this year.

Truth be told you really need 6-7 position starters hitting over .300 to be competitive in the ASC in my honest opinion, HPU will have two returning – Blake Shaffer (.319) and James Mays (.303). I liked what I saw of Shaffer last year, he went opposite field well and both he and Mays swiped some bags, 7 and 9 respectively.

Catcher Jose Sierra (.274) and SO INF Kyle Lloyd (.275) will have to help those two out this year and SS Cale Thompson and 2B Chris Pucci will have to continue to develop both at the plate and back up the middle. Thompson will be looked at to up .248 average and his .897 F% for this team to have a chance at a playoff run.

Let's talking about pitching. With the loss of Davies and Holmes HPU will surely turn to their last remaining weekend starter, SR Colby Rowley (3-7, 6.75 ERA) to turn into their number one. He'll likely be accompanied by SR Adam Garcia (2-2, 4.95 ERA) in three starts to also be a rotation guy. After that, it's hard to say.

They'll bring back 5 other guys who threw more than 10 innings last year, but all had ERAs over 8.00 – in their defense some were young, (a couple even freshman) so with a year of experience under their belt they may be better. Again, there's no indication of what they have in terms of newcomers because their isn't a 2008 roster posted yet that I can find.

This team got swept by TLU, McM, CUA, and HSU this year, and while I think there will be a dogfight for that 4th place spot in the ASC west this year, I just don't see the Yellow Jackets having what it takes to snag it. They'll be in the mix for that spot going into the last weekend though.

Schreiner – Okay, now seriously, someone help me out here. Can SIDs and head coaches vote for their own teams? This is two years running Schreiner has received two first place votes. That just doesn't make sense.

As much as I would like to say that Schreiner makes a push (hey, that had a great start last year and took 2 of 3 from McMurry), they just don't have enough to work with over there. They are returning ONE guy who hit over .300 and started any significant amount of games, Richard Sanchez (.307 in 21 starts).

They lose their best player and catalyst in Kester.

While they can be scrappy and potentially dangerous enough to steal one from time to time if they get a good performance on the mound, this team just isn't going to have enough offensive talent (or pitching) to compete with the upper half of the ASC.

I don't think the middle of their order is going to be that threatening so they'll have to rely on Crenwelge (.281, 7 SBs) and Langston (.274) at the top and wherever Huizar (.272, 10 SBs) falls later in the order.

In terms of pitching, they do return almost every significant contributor from last year and should have a decent rotation with Jones (4-5, 5.71 ERA), Hermes (7-3, 5.10 ERA), and Armijo (3-2, 6.72 ERA) with Pena (36.1 IP, 5 starts) also being a mid-week/relief guy. With respect to these guys, they have another year of experience under their belts, but they didn't consistently beat the better teams last year and they won't again this year.

Hermes for newcomer of the year over Villegas of UMHB is still a joke in my opinion. TLU, UMHB, McMurry and Hardin Simmons all hit him pretty well last year. You should have to play well against THOSE teams to win awards. Not to undermine, the crafty left, he was only a freshman last year.

SU's pitching staff also returns Eric Wehmeyer who was fairly solid out of the pen for the Mountaineers. They'll also probably look for freshman, Michael Houser to contribute big innings out of the pen this year.

With not much offense firepower, and mediocre defense (14 errors this weekend), I just don't envision them making much of a push.


Sul Ross State The Lobo's only conference win last year was against then #8 Texas Lutheran. That said, I misspoke earlier because the Lobos will bring back all three starting pitchers from last year. According to their season preview they'll be led by Senior Jamie Rojo and his 8.61 ERA and 2-11 record. Now I don't know about you but that can't be comforting.

The other rotation guys, both seniors will be Michael Otero (6.79, 2-8, led the team in strikeouts) and Cody Kemmerling (8.82, 0-11). These guys aren't great pitchers, they're just not, but they're all really competitive and I for one appreciate that. Kemmerling despite not getting a win last year pitched with the composure and tenacity of an 8 game winner.

The website states that the offense will be led by returner Sammy Robles (.333) but I don't see him on the roster so I'll defer to their only other guy over .300 last year, SO Javier Arrieta (.326 as a freshman, 12-13 SBs). He'll probably be the team's starting SS and best player. Their next starter with the highest average from last year is C Monte Piper (.275 in 15 starts), but then you have to go all the way down to 2B Richard Fraire (.225) to find another returning starter.

Unless there are some incoming transfers and freshman that can significantly impact this team it is probably going to be a long year for the Lobos. These guys are young, and I am sure it's hard to recruit out there (and keep guys once you get them), but I feel certain they'll be bringing up the cellar in the ASC again this year.

PHEW - I'm tired of typing. Check back some East Predictions and POTY discussion the rest of this week (but probably not quite as in-depth -- this took forever. As always though - I would appreciate feedback/discussion.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 03, 2008, 10:27:05 PM
Houston Baptist 6 - Concordia 9

WP David Towler
LP M. Headley

CF Patrick Mercer 3-4, 3 runs, 2 RBI, 2 SB
LF Tom Williams 1-3 2 runs, 2 RBI , HR
RF Nick Cmerek 2-4, 2 runs, 2 RBI, HR
C Brian Werneke 1-3, 2 RBI

SP Ethan Morrison 5 IP, 3 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 1 BB, 3 SO
RPs Matt Aubry and Stephen Szkotak pitched the last 2.2 scoreless

-----------------------------

Houston Baptist 12 - Concordia 9

WP J Hook
LP Jason Rangel - who might've pitched the best of the Tornadoes that threw in this game, despite 5 BBs

LF Tom Williams 4-6, 2 runs, 1 RBI
SS Bryan Jacobs 2-4, 2 runs, 3 RBI, HR
DH Robbie King 2-4, 3 runs, 3 RBI, HR

Looks like the Tornadoes have two transfers from McLennan they'll turn to in the middle of that order, Williams and Werneke.  They will give them a better offense than I had originally anticpated, but it looks like they will be hurting for depth on the mound. (Granted it's been two games against a pretty solid squad).

JSG



Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 03, 2008, 11:14:42 PM
Quote from: Mack09 on January 29, 2008, 12:55:36 PM
I believe but am not certain that TLU has the highest tuition in the conference.  I think that makes it more amazing that they keep fielding quality teams.  I do know that they struggle in basketball, and are not great in football.  McMurry has a high tuition rate as well. 

There are some definite issues in the ASC, but what can you do?  If the conference was broken up as is it would likely lose its automatic bid.  Maybe there is a fix in the future that might move UT Dallas and Tyler to a Division II program. 
Mack, the ASC is too vulnerable to losing a team to some administrative decision if we split.

I will address this later.  We could split into two conferences, but several schools need to add teams.

As much as I would like us split, I cannot see happening.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Mack09 on February 04, 2008, 11:13:34 AM
JSG

Concordia will always have offense at that small park where a fly ball out ends up on 35.  That being said they did put up some offense on Houston Baptist who is traditionally a talented team. 

By the way thanks for the in depth reports on the teams of the ASC.

Austin College hosts TLU this weekend.  Should be an interesting start to the season.  McMurry has those two three game series with Chapman and George Fox.  I am anxious to see who wins even though its early in the year, and may not represent how good the teams will be in the end.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on February 04, 2008, 11:41:57 AM
Concordia took 2 of 3 from NAIA World Series participant Houston Baptist convincingly. HOuston Baptist had at least three guys I saw on the gun in the low 90's. Concordia then went to Ft. Worth and beat Texas Wes. 11-6. These guys can swing the bat and Gardner looks to have brought in some transfers who have some great talent.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on February 04, 2008, 12:18:41 PM
Quote from: Mack09 on February 04, 2008, 11:13:34 AM

Concordia will always have offense at that small park where a fly ball out ends up on 35.  That being said they did put up some offense on Houston Baptist who is traditionally a talented team. 


Concordia has an amazing little ballpark. It is a bit small, but the setting is great and it almost feels as if the freeway overhangs leftfield. Your pitchers better keep the ball down in that park as routine flyballs end up as round-trippers.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 04, 2008, 12:30:12 PM
Quote from: Mack09 on February 04, 2008, 11:13:34 AM
JSG

Concordia will always have offense at that small park where a fly ball out ends up on 35.  That being said they did put up some offense on Houston Baptist who is traditionally a talented team. 

By the way thanks for the in depth reports on the teams of the ASC.

Austin College hosts TLU this weekend.  Should be an interesting start to the season.  McMurry has those two three game series with Chapman and George Fox.  I am anxious to see who wins even though its early in the year, and may not represent how good the teams will be in the end.

Yes, they'll have a lot of offense in that park (think about how many bombs Vorhees would hit there), though last years team leader in homeruns only had 7, and RBIs only had 30. I think they'll be a better offensive team than they were last year, particularly with the disappointing season Pounds had last year, and some of their younger guys having a year more under their belts.

Houston Baptist is traditionally a talented team, and they took all 4 from CUA last year so it was definitely a good weekend for the Tornadoes.

Like you, I'm also very interested to see the TLU/Austin College Series and the McMurry West coast road trip. Austin College is a lot better team than the last time TLU played them and Coach Iwasaki is definitely one of my favorite coaches in the West Region. I have a lot of respect for the way he has turned that program around.

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 04, 2008, 12:57:18 PM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on February 04, 2008, 11:41:57 AM
Concordia took 2 of 3 from NAIA World Series participant Houston Baptist convincingly. HOuston Baptist had at least three guys I saw on the gun in the low 90's. Concordia then went to Ft. Worth and beat Texas Wes. 11-6. These guys can swing the bat and Gardner looks to have brought in some transfers who have some great talent.

Just a couple of notes on this comment (and only because I like discussing baseball). Are we really going to call two 3-run wins convincingly? Granted, I wasn't at either game and they definitely could have been. Some games are a lot closer than they appear and it goes the other way as well. Just because you can hit low 90s doesn't necessarily mean you're a pitcher. CUA didn't necessarily face phenomenal pitching, though they did get to Headley and Brunson who were key members of that HBU pitching staff last year.

There was a lot to be said about CUA's tough non-conference schedule last year, but they didn't make the playoffs for the first time in quite some time. We've already discussed the fact that these games don't count towards West Region rankings and therefore do not help them AT ALL in a playoff picture; whereas you have McMurry and Texas Lutheran both taking west coast trips to get some key in-region games in.

In terms of Houston Baptist (and I won't pretend to know a lot about NAIA) - how tough are those teams they play? The NAIA teams I've seen in Texas aren't usually that much better than the top half of the ASC. Lubbock Christian, Texas Wesleyan, and Houston Baptist would probably be considered better than the top-tiered ASC teams I suppose, but the 4th place team last year (in the Red River Athletic Conference) -- Huston-Tillitson (who were a better team than in previous years) did take 3 of 5 from Bacone (Oklahoma seems to have stronger NAIA teams than TX) and were swept by TLU. Obviously that south division (of the RRAC) can't be that tough.

I agree 100% with you that those two transfers in the middle of the order Williams and Werenke should really enable them to have a much better lineup than they had last year.

The question is going to be on the bump. I'd like to see who develops as their rotation guys, and IF they are able to keep Aubry in the pen I think that'll be beneficial for them.

Keep the CUA insight coming Blackcat, we definitely appreciate it!

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on February 04, 2008, 03:00:23 PM
  McMurry has those two three game series with Chapman and George Fox.  I am anxious to see who wins even though its early in the year, and may not represent how good the teams will be in the end.
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McMurry's JV team playing tomorrow and I have heard that Driggers will play some of the starters due to some suspensions for the west coast trip...There are a few big names on there roster who will not be able to go so this will be a good test for the rest of the teams without them.

Curry, Yurcheck, and Love for sure three starters down.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 04, 2008, 09:14:05 PM
Since I started with the ASC West for my team previews, it's only fair that I start with the ASC East for my preseason player of the year candidates.

ASC EAST Preseason Hitter of the Year

Perhaps this year I can help them get it right. Elizondo had a torrid year at the plate last year, but Brett Rosen was the right pick last year (he was West Region player of the Year).  Anyhow, here are some guys that should definitely get a look this year.

I won't make a case for any LeTourneau players, but Ed Hurta (the team's best hitter last year (.281) and best SP (3-2, 5.68) deserve a mention. Also keep an eye on the freshman duo from Cypress Ridge.

NOTE: I KNOW it's easier said than done, but that's where these schools in the bottom of the ASC (w/ high tuition) have to go to recruit. Both California and Florida can make a case for the best high school ball players, but Houston is the city with the best talent and some of these more wealthy school districts have really solid players that get overlooked by their stellar teammates that are going to D1, big JUCO, etc. Sell what could be, sell turning around the program when those guys are juniors and seniors.

ETBU will have a different look this year with lots of freshman and a couple of transfers. Based on what I know keep an eye on Will Melton (who was 2nd on the team with a .340 average prior to going down with an injury) and Jonathan Jolly.

LA College might surprise some people with that squad they have. They lost their ace, Grant Wilson, but they return some pretty good players, which I'll get into in my ASC East Preview. Keep an eye out for these guys for this year: Jr. Tyler Bray (.361, 22 BB/HBP to only 12 Ks) and SR. Matt Smith (.341, 35 BB/HBP to 8 Ks).

Generally, I feel like you have to hit .400+ and still some bags though if you're going to get consideration for hitter of the year without any power numbers, and neither of these guys hit for power.

It's hard to know ANYTHING about this Mississippi team that brings in like 28 new players, including tons of heralded JUCO guys. JUCO guys can be huge cogs, Concordia getting the McClennan guys for the middle of their order, Franco last year for McMurry, quite a few of the Tyler guys.

With only one returning starter, you almost have to look at the JUCO guys. Look for big things from Skylar Sparrow (.316) and Paige Hodges (.314) who started 32 games and 40 games respectively from the defending National Champion team LSU-Eunice. Wonder what the story is there?

Looking at the roster though, Hodges is still on the roster, but I don't see Sparrow anymore.

The Ozarks are going to be downright dangerous this year, returning a slew of players that enabled them to make a playoff push last year. The Ozarks have a couple of guys definitely worth a mention here:

Sr. John Glenn – ASC East Newcomer of the Year last year.
                            Hit .419, .575 SLG% (16 doubles) and was 9-12 SBs
                            Finished top ten in five other offensive categories,     
                            including hits (75),  runs (57), doubles (16), total bases 
                           (103) and on-base percentage (.490)

Here are some others to keep an eye on:
Sr. Robby Finnell  .322 10 HR 51 RBI  .594 SLG
Jr. Todd Koch        .385 4 HR 33 RBI .513 SLG
Jr. Bruce Cameron .345 2 HR 34 RBI .440 SLG 9-12 SBs

Glenn is going to have to put up even more gaudy numbers to win HOTY, but he's a tough out and certainly capable of it. His numbers were actually very comparable to Elizondo's who I'm almost positive won the award last year. Finnell can bring up his average he has the power numbers to get the recognition.

UT Dallas – I didn't realize just how senior laden this team was last year. They'll have a lot of their arms back but Jackson, Elizondo, Rosen, Putman, Elliot, Bird, Hand are ALL gone and I can't justify putting Matt Kelly, Jake Eisman, or Mike Cargile in this mix. They have some new JUCO guys, but I don't know much about them. I guess I'll move on to what everyone's been waiting on anyhow.

UT Tyler – The ASC Preseason hitter of the year award from the ASC was Kendall Fox, so we'll start there. It's hard to go wrong with that pick.

Kendall Fox - .444 avg, .607 obp (you read that right), .611 SLG, 14 2Bs, 65
                      runs 11 SBs and played SS for the best team in the entire
                      conference.
Others:
Joseph Towns - .396 avg, 13 2Bs, 3 HRs, 35 RBIs,
Andrew Damewood - .382 avg, 13 2Bs, 3 3Bs, 4 HRs, 43 RBIs, .610 SLG

My one knock on Tyler (and the stats they put up) is that they played AWFUL non-conference schedule last year with Mid-America Christian, SW Assemblies, Jarvis Christian, University of Dallas (not UT Dallas) and Paul Quinn which accounted for 10 of their games. I guess it was due to the fact that they weren't eligible for playoffs last year. Regardless, they got rid of that awful schedule this year so I have no bones to pick – other than it will be interested to see if they put up similar numbers throughout the course of the year.

Conclusion: Since UT Dallas lost their best 7 hitters, I think it boils down to a UT Tyler guy (and Fox makes the most sense considering his numbers last year), and the Ozarks John Glenn. It's hard to estimate what to expect from all the Mississippi JUCO guys, but Paige Hodges might have an outside chance. Also watch for Damewood, I only saw Tyler a couple of times last year, but I honestly felt like he was a better hitter than Fox and may prove to be so against a better schedule.

Best Wishes.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on February 05, 2008, 12:47:51 AM
NAIA baseball in Texas is very quaility ball, as they offer scholorships which will bring quality players as school is paid for. ANd every numerous guys are drafted high from the Red River conference. I think playing NAIA teams preseason is for getting your team prepared and shows your not going out and trying to beat up on terrible D 3 teams in preaseason (like a few ASC teams usually do) and thats what Gardner has always done. I played for him when we went to the WOrld Series in 2003,and opened up with the likes of A&M Kingsville and The University of Texas when they won the national championship in 03. Im not trying to be a homer but Gardner always preached about playing quality teams early to test what kind of mentality we had against tougher opponents.

The last few teams have been very dissappointing  at CU and personaly I thought the program was going down with the baseball I saw. From these three games and a win at Tex Wes does say something even if it was by 3 or so runs or games. And as for the pitching, I will tell you my confidence is alot higher from facing guys who can actually pitch than throw, and yeah just because it is in the 90's isnt always great, but its better than facing preseason garbage from guys who shouldnt even be on the mound.

And I will keep the info coming as I will go to the games this weekend against Trinity.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on February 05, 2008, 12:52:52 AM
And I might add, yes the ASC represents baseball very well every year and I like seeing represenatives succeed as far as they can get and guys drafted out of our Conference. I think the quality of baseball is getting better and hope it only gets better. I look forward to some great ASC baseball this year here in Austin.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: utilitycat17 on February 05, 2008, 08:49:02 PM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on February 05, 2008, 12:47:51 AM
I played for him when we went to the WOrld Series in 2003,and opened up with the likes of A&M Kingsville and The University of Texas when they won the national championship in 03.

You must have paid for those tickets to Appleton, because Chapman went to the World Series in 2003.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on February 05, 2008, 09:03:29 PM
2002,sorry guy. Im sure you paid for one right?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on February 05, 2008, 11:32:03 PM
Houston Baptist is Div 1 (left NAIA) and are in there with Sam Houston, Mcneese St. etc. Not sure on their elgibility on playffs.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 06, 2008, 08:41:51 AM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on February 05, 2008, 11:32:03 PM
Houston Baptist is Div 1 (left NAIA) and are in there with Sam Houston, Mcneese St. etc. Not sure on their elgibility on playffs.

I know they're making the transition to division I, but are we sure they're in the Southland conference? I know they play McNeese St. and SHSU this year, but there's no mention of them on the Southland Conference website, nor does it have them included in the schedule (and this may be just because they aren't eligible for playoffs and have something to do with the transition period, I don't know).

The first listed Southland game is Feb 22 and HBU is already playing.

It would make sense that would be the conference they WOULD be in if they joined a conference though so if you have a link to that I'd love to read about it. I know HBU basketball went back to division I and they said they would be a potential fit with the Southland or Sun Belt, but hadn't yet made a committment to a conference.

I suspect baseball would be in the same boat, but I can't confirm that.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Mack09 on February 06, 2008, 12:39:38 PM
JSG,

I saw Fox play last year in a few games.  He is a solid hitter and a good player.  He is pretty suspect in the field (and so is their score keeping as far as marking errors), but their actual playing surface is not fantastic.  Their facilies are great though.  Perhaps the playing surface will be a little smoother this year.  I could see him winning player of the year.  He will be a strong candidate.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Mack09 on February 06, 2008, 12:49:17 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on February 04, 2008, 12:18:41 PM
Quote from: Mack09 on February 04, 2008, 11:13:34 AM

Concordia will always have offense at that small park where a fly ball out ends up on 35.  That being said they did put up some offense on Houston Baptist who is traditionally a talented team. 


Concordia has an amazing little ballpark. It is a bit small, but the setting is great and it almost feels as if the freeway overhangs leftfield. Your pitchers better keep the ball down in that park as routine flyballs end up as round-trippers.

Poppa,

Yes you are right they do have a great facility and a quality playing surface.  I didn't mean to take away anything from their field.  It is a good place to watch baseball.  I just meant to comment that their dimesions are ridiculously short, but I believe that is because a lack of space.  298 down the right field line.  Come on that is short.  I saw a game where their small short stop (help me with his name) that played until 2006 (I think, he was a small guy, played along side Greg Warren) that was not a power hitter by any stretch, flip one over that right field wall. 

Again I am not trying to take anything away from that player because he was obviously talented enough to do that.  I am merely commenting that the dimesions are short.  Overall it is a good field, and their teams play well to their park which is why they are so tough to beat at their place.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 06, 2008, 12:55:39 PM
Quote from: Mack09 on February 06, 2008, 12:39:38 PM
JSG,

I saw Fox play last year in a few games.  He is a solid hitter and a good player.  He is pretty suspect in the field (and so is their score keeping as far as marking errors), but their actual playing surface is not fantastic.  Their facilies are great though.  Perhaps the playing surface will be a little smoother this year.  I could see him winning player of the year.  He will be a strong candidate.

I don't know if you were agreeing with me or contradicting me. Either way, yeah, I definitely think Fox is a guy that will be in the mix for player of the year. If I HAD to pick three RIGHT NOW I'd say Fox, Glenn and Damewood. You can't argue with his average or his obp (with the knock again being a pretty awful schedule last year).

You're right, despite the amazing facilities the surface itself wasn't that good last year. You're also right about their score keeping as well, and not necessarily just to benefit their own stats. It was laughable across the board. There were times guys were laying out and it being called an error and others where a guy misplays the ball and it's called a hit.

It's only Wednesday and I am already eagerly anticipated the McMurry/Chapman games, Concordia/Trinity games and Texas Lutheran/Austin College games this weekend. I am anxious to see how the McMurry bats fare against the Chapman arms (and if Kitchens is back in the mix despite that arm 'tweak' in his first start). I am looking foward to seeing how CUA plays against an overhauled Trinity team (albiet with a lot of depth on the mound). CUA should have some solid momentum after taking 2 of 3 from HBU. And it will be interesting to see how TLU does against the ever improving Kangaroos with two new rotation guys and a whole new middle infield, minus Jake Kaase. I envision some growing pains both on the bump and in the infield for that Bulldog team, at least early.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Mack09 on February 06, 2008, 01:04:42 PM
JSG,

Yeah I think you are right about TLU having some growing pains.  I looked at their roster a few days ago and they are younger than they have been in a few years while they have been on this run.

That being said, they always seem to find talented players to fill the shoes of good players they have lost.  I think they have always been strong with their defense up the middle and especially the last two years so it will be interesting to see how they do.  But I am not counting them out.  In 2006 they seemed to be a little down and they turned it around.  It is going to be fun weekend to see, I wish I could catch more games.

Also, I was agreeing with your assessment of the ASC East POY honors. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on February 07, 2008, 11:22:59 AM
McMurray @ Chapman this weekend for a three-game series. Any predictions?

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 07, 2008, 12:10:17 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on February 07, 2008, 11:22:59 AM
McMurray @ Chapman this weekend for a three-game series. Any predictions?

I'll take the bait, but there's a lot of unknown variables here. Apparently there are some key McMurry players that won't be making the trip including Yurchick - who I anticipated being a catalyst at the top of that order, getting on base for the big 3 in the middle.

Also, does Wade Kitchens throw? (McMurry DID get to him last year).

IF Kitchens throws I'll take Chapman winning 2 out of 3.

I don't think Johnston or Curry will beat Kitchens, and I'm not convinced the other beats Luzar either. I wouldn't mind them saving one of those guys for game 3 and seeing if Chapman has anything left. Maybe Sigman? Maybe they go back to Clear?

I think McMurry has the stronger middle of the order w/ Franco, Vorhees, and David, but Chapman is probably stronger throughout the entire lineup.

They're definitely going to miss Cavan up the middle (Yacko's prone to make some errors) and at the plate, but they have SOLID guys stepping up that didn't start last year. Hall, Phillips, and Vass aren't necessarily as good as Cavan, Dean, Fraser, but the other guys all have a year more experience. This is a better offensive team than Chapman last year.

Has Vass been there all four years?

The scary thing about this Chapman team -- They have 5 seniors on their entire roster.

Your turn BigPoppa...

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: utilitycat17 on February 07, 2008, 08:47:40 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on February 07, 2008, 12:10:17 PM
Has Vass been there all four years?

Here is a quote from the Chapman website.  It is from the outlook for 2008.

Anchoring the heart of the lineup will be Division I transfer Mike Vass who hit .289 with 10 homeruns for U.C. Riverside last season.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 08, 2008, 09:06:45 PM
Chapman 14, McMurry 12 (http://www1.chapman.edu/athletics/07-08/baseball/mcm-cu1.htm).

Pre-season All-American Utility/pitcher Kurt Yacko pitched three innings of scoreless relief while his teammates scored single runs in the 7th and 8th innings.

McMurry errors really hurt the effort!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on February 08, 2008, 11:22:31 PM
McM had 8 errors but looked very good at the plate and Yurchick did not make the trip neither did Curry or Love.  Johnston threw well but the extended innings got to him.  Chapman looked great at the plate 1-9 are all solid hitters.  I think that tomorrows games will be just as good as the first one but maybe with less errors on the McM side.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 08, 2008, 11:34:43 PM
Yacko went for 3 innings today.  If we get ahead with a decent pitching effort tomorrow, then we have a good chance to split the DH.  How many innings does Yacko have in his "early season" arm tomorrow?  He only faced 10 batters Friday!

I hope to win both, but that would mean significant pitching efforts that we have not seen in several seasons.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 09, 2008, 01:12:08 AM
Hardin Simmons 8 - College of Southwest 1 (http://hsuathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/stats/2007-2008/hsubsb1.html)

WP: Kyle Barton
Ryan Stepp (who evidently didn't quit) was 2-3 with 5 RBIs


Hardin Simmons 13- Oklahoma Baptist 5 (http://hsuathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/stats/2007-2008/hsubsb2.html)

WP James Sweatman
Stepp and Wayne Pimpton were both 3-5.

The two freshman from Tomball seem to have started off solid. Other freshman also got the opportunity to start at least one of the games.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 09, 2008, 08:02:21 PM
Austin College and Texas Lutheran split a DH header today.

TLU tooked the first game 7-2 and then Austin College won the next game 10-0.

Box One (http://www.tlu.edu/i/athletics/baseball/stats/2008/08bbgm1.htm)
Box Two (http://www.tlu.edu/i/athletics/baseball/stats/2008/08bbgm2.htm)

I don't THINK TLU was ever shut out last year.

TLU will have to have better productivity from spots 6-9 in the order (2-20 w/ Freshman LF Kelly Shannon have both the hits).

JSG

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 09, 2008, 08:25:47 PM
 UT Tyler 19 - Hendrix 3 (http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/statistics/2007-2008/baseball/2008-02b.htm)

WP Ryan Cambpell
LP Jordan Suydam

Tyler banged out 21 hits.

UT Tyler 21 - Hendrix 6 (http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/statistics/2007-2008/baseball/2008-01b.htm)

WP Brett Holland
LP Dave Keine

Tyler had 16 hits.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2008, 09:36:16 PM
McMurry splits the DH at Chapman.

McMurry Pre-season All-American "first baseman" Brent Voorhees pitched 6 2/3  innings to beat Matt Luzar and Kurt Yacko 5-2 in the opener.  Chapman scored in the bottom of the 9th to edge McMurry 6-5. Yacko got his second win of the series and the season in relief.

McMurry and Chapman played 27 innings and score 23 runs each, but Chapman got the series, 2 games to one.   >:(

Box scores (http://www1.chapman.edu/athletics/07-08/baseball/teamstat.htm#MCM-CU3)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 09, 2008, 10:23:54 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2008, 09:36:16 PM
McMurry splits the DH at Chapman.

McMurry Pre-season All-American "first baseman" Brent Voorhees pitched 6 2/3  innings beat Matt Luzar and Kurt Yacko 5-2 in the opener.  Chapman scored in the bottom of the 9th to edge McMurry 6-5. Yacko got his second win of the series and the season in relief.

McMurry and Chapman played 27 innings and score 23 runs each, but Chapman got the series, 2 games to one.   >:(

Box scores (http://www1.chapman.edu/athletics/07-08/baseball/teamstat.htm#MCM-CU3)

Yacko is arguably the best all-around player in division III baseball. There's no disputing the fact that he's in the mix.

It will be interesting to see how Kitchens recovers from this 'tweak.' They need him because I'm not sure they can survive consistently with Sigman and Clear both in the mix.

I'd like to think getting Yurchick back will help McMurry a lot. Ideally, I'd like to see that line up be Yurchick, Franco, David, Vorhees at the top. Yurchick is a better hitter than Lance Jones and you maximize Franco's skill set in the two slot. With David, Vorhees protecting him, teams have to throw to him and he's going to swing out of his shoes anyway so might as well have him be where he's going to see strikes.

JUCO transfer Toombs pitched well and when you get Curry back and in the mix you won't necessarily have to use Vorhees as a starter, and if he can continue to throw well without it affecting his stick adding him to the backend of the pen with Martin is going to help out alot.

14 Errors didn't help McMurry either...

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on February 10, 2008, 03:35:09 PM
Chapman is giving up way too many run to be a serious contender at this point and they are leaning too much on Yacko out of the bullpen to expect him to keep it up all season. I believe he has appeared in 5 of 6 games this season while playing the infield as well. That is a lot of wear and tear on a young arm.

Kudos to McMurry for stepping up to the plate this weekend and punching Chapman square in the mouth.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 10, 2008, 04:07:13 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on February 10, 2008, 03:35:09 PM
Chapman is giving up way too many run to be a serious contender at this point and they are leaning too much on Yacko out of the bullpen to expect him to keep it up all season. I believe he has appeared in 5 of 6 games this season while playing the infield as well. That is a lot of wear and tear on a young arm.

Kudos to McMurry for stepping up to the plate this weekend and punching Chapman square in the mouth.
Thanks for the kind words.  I believe that McMurry needs to take two of three from GFU this weekend.

I would be happy with a 3-3 start versus Chapman and GFU.

Coach Driggers has one of the toughest schedules in all of D-III. McMurry plays 2007 NCAA Playoff teams, #2 Chapman (3), (Receiving votes) GFU (3), Austin College (3), #17 Texas Lutheran (3), (Receiving votes) UT-Dallas (1) and #10 Marietta (1).  They also play #16 UT-Tyler (1) and (receiving votes) HSU (3).

That is 18 of the 40 games.  The other non-conference foes include Southwestern home-and-away and at Trinity.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 10, 2008, 06:38:26 PM
TLU 15 def. Austin College 7 (http://www.tlu.edu/i/athletics/baseball/stats/2008/08bbgm3.htm)

The first three hitters, CF Kyle Harvey, 2B Andrew Femath and RF Ryan Nokelby went 8-13 with 9 RBIs in the final game.

For the series the Bulldogs were led by the same three: Femath (8-11), Harvey (4-9, 5 RBIs, 3 SBs), and Nokelby (4-11, 6 RBIs).

One thing I really liked was that a lot of Bulldogs got the opportunity to contribute, both on the field and on the bump.

The guys platooning in LF also hit pretty well with FR Kelly Shannon (3-5) and SO Brandon Opheim (2-6) adding to the number of upperclassmen the young Bulldogs will rely on this year.

I think TLU has to be okay with taking 2 out of 3 from the '07 SCAC champs.
You never want to get run-ruled, but they have a young team that's going
to go through some growing pains early and taking 2 out of 3 from solid
teams will usually get you to the playoffs.

Of note for Austin College it was good to see Bobby Schleizer back in the mix (particularly offensively), but I was surprised to see him throwing that last game and Coach Iwasaki for whatever reason not pitching Chermak who is probably his best pitcher coming back from last year's squad.











JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Mack09 on February 12, 2008, 12:31:28 PM
JSG,

Did you make it out to the Austin College vs. Texas Lutheran games?  I have only read box scores.  I was wondering how the teams looked defensively.  I noticed Texas Lutheran made five errors which is not too bad this early in the season.  I know Austin College does not have the greatest playing surface.  I was just wondering how they looked (both teams) defensively because it is hard to tell from a box score.

Also i noticed McMurry made a ton of errors in the Chapman series.  Did anyone get to see that series? 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on February 12, 2008, 01:49:02 PM
Quote from: Mack09 on February 12, 2008, 12:31:28 PM


Also i noticed McMurry made a ton of errors in the Chapman series.  Did anyone get to see that series? 


I saw a little of the DH on Saturday. Chapman's bullpen is going to be in trouble if their starters cannot get deep in games. Yacko will never hold up if he has to throw 2-3 innings every game to close the door. McMurry looked solid, but their defense was very shaky, which can be expected early in the season. If they can polish it up a bit, they will be a solid team looking for a post-season berth.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 12, 2008, 05:15:07 PM
Quote from: Mack09 on February 12, 2008, 12:31:28 PM
JSG,

Did you make it out to the Austin College vs. Texas Lutheran games?  I have only read box scores.  I was wondering how the teams looked defensively.  I noticed Texas Lutheran made five errors which is not too bad this early in the season.  I know Austin College does not have the greatest playing surface.  I was just wondering how they looked (both teams) defensively because it is hard to tell from a box score.

Also i noticed McMurry made a ton of errors in the Chapman series.  Did anyone get to see that series? 

I did not actually get to catch any of the games. In retrospect I don't think 5 errors is that bad (particularly early), but for a team that has won a lot of games in the past based on pitching and defense I still think there's some concern on the infield defense for the Bulldogs.

In terms of McMurry - I know David made a couple of errors. He really makes some phenomenal plays over there, but everytime I've watched him he's seemed relatively prone to mistakes as well.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Mack09 on February 13, 2008, 07:14:53 PM
TLU has definitely been strong defensively the past years.  I wonder if the mistakes were young mistakes or possible scoreing goofs.  Either way the Bulldogs have their hands full this weekend with four games out in Cali.  It shoould be real interesting to see how this young team travels throughout the year.  They also have a trip to Lousiana for La. College in a coulple of weeks.  I could see them being really up and down on those road trips as they were this weekend.  On the flip side they always seem to be a strong team down the finish.

There is supposed to be some awful weather this weekend.  I hope it doesn't effect the George Fox and McMurry match up.  That one should be fun to watch.

Title: Concordia University
Post by: wetsu on February 14, 2008, 12:36:26 PM
Does anyone have an opinion on Coach Gardner or Coach Meyer they wish to share.  I need a reason to think good thoughts about their program.  So far, all I have heard is negative.  Through experience, I agree.  Not worth much as people the way they treat their players.
Title: Re: Concordia University
Post by: Just Bill on February 14, 2008, 12:44:11 PM
1. There's a whole lot of Concordia Universities and Concordia Colleges.  You're going to have to me more specific.

2. The Terms of Service for this message board don't permit a thread to be started about a single team.  Take your question to "Concordia's" conference page and ask it there.
Title: Re: Concordia University
Post by: wetsu on February 14, 2008, 10:39:22 PM
I was refering to Concordia, Austin, TX.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 16, 2008, 01:51:52 AM
UT Tyler took 2 games from Sul Ross State by scores of 5-1 and 9-1.

First Game:
Campbell picked up his 2nd win for the Patriots going 7 innings, 6 hits, 0 ER.
RF Andrew Damewood was 3-5 w/ a HR, 2 RBI
CF Chris Goss was 2-2, w/ 2 BBs

Second Game:
Holland got the win throwing 7 IP, 2 H, 0 ER, 14Ks
SS Fox (1 run, 1 RBI), DH Harding (HR, 2 RBI) and 3B Towns (2 runs) were all 2-3


La Verne took 2 games from Texas Lutheran by socres of 4-3 and 14-6.

Bulldogs only had 4 hits in the first game.

In the second game PH/2B Miller was 2-2 with a 2B, and C Siniff was 1-3, w/ 2 RBIs

The teams combined for 11 errors in the two games.

JSG



Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 16, 2008, 09:16:57 PM
TLU was swept again.  This time, it was Redlands.

It looks like TLU is looking for pitching.  In the twin double-headers this weekend, we saw several pitchers for the Bulldogs.

They lost 14-0 in the first game (http://www.redlands.edu/prebuilt/pdf/athletics/2008baseball/tlu-ur1.htm).

They lost 18-10 in the second (http://www.redlands.edu/prebuilt/pdf/athletics/2008baseball/tlu-ur2.htm).

Now TLU does not have a four-game weekend in the rest of the season, but it looks like that TLU is more vulnerable than last season.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 16, 2008, 10:34:45 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 16, 2008, 09:16:57 PM
TLU was swept again.  This time, it was Redlands.

It looks like TLU is looking for pitching.  In the twin double-headers this weekend, we saw several pitchers for the Bulldogs.

They lost 14-0 in the first game (http://www.redlands.edu/prebuilt/pdf/athletics/2008baseball/tlu-ur1.htm).

They lost 18-10 in the second (http://www.redlands.edu/prebuilt/pdf/athletics/2008baseball/tlu-ur2.htm).

Now TLU does not have a four-game weekend in the rest of the season, but it looks like that TLU is more vulnerable than last season.

I would say that without a doubt they're more vulnerable than last season, but I think that was inevitable (particularly early on) with the guys they lost.

When you lose an middle infield that hit .422 with 56 RBIs and .374 respectively (they also played great defense), in addition to losing two senior starters who went 15-1 last year and 26-8 in their careers on the bump you're losing a lot of talent and leadership.

Now with that said, there's no reason to push the panic button yet. The structure of the ASC is such that they won't need as much pitching as they did this weekend, albiet it still has to improve throughout the course of the season to compete atop the ASC.

With Logan Hull anchoring the front of that rotation they'll usually have a chance to win that game. While his ERA his his (5.00), he's been competitive giving up less hits than IP (opponents are hitting .242 against him).

Brad Wesson has also been solid out of the pen. It will be interesting to see who will emerge as the other rotation guys come ASC play.

What I like is that ALOT of guys are getting a chance to play ball early and if they can find the right mix of guys, create a competitive environment that pushes guys to excel in order to play, come conference play they'll be in the mix.

JSG



Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 16, 2008, 10:43:49 PM
UT Tyler cancelled their game against Sul Ross, but added Jarvis Christian for Saturday.

Louisiana College cancelled their 3 game set with La Grange.

Schreiner/Southwestern pushed their DH to Sunday.

CUA and Trinity are supposed to play a DH tomorrow, and one Monday -- I believe.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 16, 2008, 10:49:19 PM
JSG, That strategy worked for Coach Iwasaki at Austin College last season.

He finally found a pitching staff by the time of the SCAC Tourney.

I think that McMurry will have mid-50's weather tomorrow.  The Abilene forecast tonight is for a high temperature of 57 with winds 20-30 MPH out of the WNW!!!!

Can we say Wrigley Field South?!?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on February 17, 2008, 04:36:48 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on February 12, 2008, 01:49:02 PM
Quote from: Mack09 on February 12, 2008, 12:31:28 PM


Also i noticed McMurry made a ton of errors in the Chapman series.  Did anyone get to see that series? 


I saw a little of the DH on Saturday. Chapman's bullpen is going to be in trouble if their starters cannot get deep in games. Yacko will never hold up if he has to throw 2-3 innings every game to close the door.

Why the hell not? They only play 3 games a week. It's not like up north.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 18, 2008, 01:28:56 AM
 George Fox 18 - McMurry 2  (http://athletics.mcm.edu/sports/baseball/2008/mcmgfu1.htm)

George Fox 13 - McMurry 10 (http://athletics.mcm.edu/sports/baseball/2008/mcmgfu2.htm)

Obviously Coach Driggers was listening to me because he moved Franco to the two slot, unfortunately to no avail.

Yurchick was pretty solid in his return.

I've been surprised at how much Johnston has struggled, and Kyle Martin (who is essential to that bullpen -- McM's weakness the last couple of years). We'll see how Toombs throws against GFU tomorrow.

The West is beginning to look more and more like a toss up this year with McM and TLU struggling out of the gate (granted they've had tough schedules). CUA and UMHB seem to be playing pretty decent baseball. I'm still not sold on Hardin-Simmons and they haven't played anyone that's super indicative of what we can expect from them yet.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Mack09 on February 18, 2008, 07:22:27 PM
McMurry defeated eorge Fox 14-6 today.  Franco hit two homeruns. McM improves to 2-4.

Tyler is 5-0 and Dallas is 3-0.

TLU is struggling early at 2-5.  It's going to be tough to repeat unless they start pitching and hitting a little bit.  My guess is they just haven't found a rythm yet by playing on the road so much early.  But who knows?  Their numbers don't look pretty.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2008, 07:38:52 PM
But you can never count out a Coach Steve Coleman team....

If McMurry can find some pitching, then we know they can handle the ASC-West.

What I took from the McMurry games against Chapman and George Fox is that McMurry loses in the Consolation Round of the West Region playoffs at this point.  Maybe even two and out.

Chapman disposed of Cal Lutheran this weekend.  (I wish that we had won that series!   :-\)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 18, 2008, 07:42:44 PM
Quote from: Mack09 on February 18, 2008, 07:22:27 PM
McMurry defeated eorge Fox 14-6 today.  Franco hit two homeruns. McM improves to 2-4.

Tyler is 5-0 and Dallas is 3-0.

TLU is struggling early at 2-5.  It's going to be tough to repeat unless they start pitching and hitting a little bit.  My guess is they just haven't found a rythm yet by playing on the road so much early.  But who knows?  Their numbers don't look pretty.

Couple of things.

1.)  McMurry can swing it, we knew that was the case before the season started. Both catchers are swinging it well. I'm not convinced Love or Morris are very good hitters though.

Ideal Offensive lineup for them might be: Yurchick (ss), Franco (2b), David (of), Vorhees (1b), Jackson (DH), Beckham (c), Derrick (3b) Whitten (of), Jones (of). This gets both catchers bats in the game, and takes David out of the INF where he's made entirely too many errors thus far this season. Probably not the most conducive lineup for defense, but wow would this one score some runs. There are very few D3 lineups where you can't take any hitters off.

2.) If McM wants to continue using Vorhees in the rotation and Curry coming out of the pen (this might've had to do with his suspension) this could work. That said, I suspect we'll see Curry as a starter and maybe Vorhees at the backend with Martin ?

Toombs coming and and proving himself as a rotation guy against Chapman and George Fox is huge for this pitching staff.

3.) UT Dallas seems to have filled some of the voids left by losing 7 very good offensive players from the previous year. The question for them might be how these guys match up against better pitching (they haven't seen much yet), and how their own team pitches. It seems Mark Cox has pitched 2 of their first 3 games. I mean the fact that he started and threw 4 innings on Wednesday and game back for a complete 7 on Sunday shows they're reluctant to use that staff. Maybe TR Dinwiddie will be a key cog.

4.) UTD and UTT really haven't played any significantly challenging teams yet, while both McM and TLU have played really tough non-conference schedules. TLU's were all on the road, and they're a young team. Are McM and TLU better teams than UTD and UTT? You couldn't get me to say that, but until we've witnessed a more complete body of work it's hard to start drawing conclusions.

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 18, 2008, 11:34:36 PM
Concordia 6 4 2
Trinity       4 9 2

WP: Stephen Szkotak 6 IP, 6 H, 4 ER, 2 BB, 2 K
LP: Michael Hunter  3 IP, 4 H, 6 ER, 4 BB, 3 K
S: Matt Aubry

Poffenroth pitched great in relief giving up 0 hits, 4 BBs, 5 Ks.
Both Hunter and Poffenroth a little trouble with control.

For Trinity:
SS Stosh Hoover was 1-2 w/ 1 run, 2 BBs
1B Jordan Pennington was 2-4 w/ 1 run, 2 2Bs, 1 RBI
3B Dominick Robusto was 2-3 w/ 1 BB, 1 run, 1 RBI

For Concordia:
SS Bryan Jacobs was 1-2, w/ 2 BBs, 2 runs
CF Patrick Mercer 2-5 w/ 1 run, 4 RBIs, 1 3B
LF Tom Williams had 5 BBs

Great series win for Concordia.

Trinity started 5 freshman, 4 from Cali and 1 from British Columbia.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on February 21, 2008, 02:40:04 PM
With the season two weeks into the long run, which teams are surprising you or disappointing you? I am a bit surprised by TLU and their struggles while Texas-Tyler is right where I thought they would be.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on February 21, 2008, 08:32:46 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on February 21, 2008, 02:40:04 PM
With the season two weeks into the long run, which teams are surprising you or disappointing you? I am a bit surprised by TLU and their struggles while Texas-Tyler is right where I thought they would be.

Haven't seen it mentioned but Mary Hardin-Baylor is undefeated at 5-0.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on February 22, 2008, 12:26:43 AM
Quote from: Spence on February 21, 2008, 08:32:46 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on February 21, 2008, 02:40:04 PM
With the season two weeks into the long run, which teams are surprising you or disappointing you? I am a bit surprised by TLU and their struggles while Texas-Tyler is right where I thought they would be.

Haven't seen it mentioned but Mary Hardin-Baylor is undefeated at 5-0.
Quote from: Spence on February 21, 2008, 08:32:46 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on February 21, 2008, 02:40:04 PM
With the season two weeks into the long run, which teams are surprising you or disappointing you? I am a bit surprised by TLU and their struggles while Texas-Tyler is right where I thought they would be.

Haven't seen it mentioned but Mary Hardin-Baylor is undefeated at 5-0.

Because 3 of their 5 wins were against teams that a 5A high school team could compete with the other two coming against a declining program in Texas Weslyan and Trinity who is always a challenge an this would be their only quality win.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 22, 2008, 01:06:56 AM
Quote from: Spence on February 21, 2008, 08:32:46 PM
Haven't seen it mentioned but Mary Hardin-Baylor is undefeated at 5-0.

While I tend to agree that their schedule has been relatively soft thus far, and that's partially the reason for their 5-0 start (hey, Schreiner started like 8-1 last year), UMHB is actually a team on the rise.  They were a playoff team last year and have consistently become a better program over the last 3-4 years.

Villegas is the real deal and I'm still laughing at the fact the ASC coaches/SIDs voted Colton Hermes freshman of the year over him.

Offensively the top of that order is very solid, and they'll run and put pressure on a defense as well.

It will come down to pitching for them. Garza is really solid and if Tumlinson, Montoya and others continue throwing well they'll be a tough team to beat.

Honestly, I'm not really surprised with anyone's start so far. Did I think TLU would be 2-5, no probably not, but I figured probably 4-3 at the best. They've played 3 tough teams all on the road, including 4 out west with a thin pitching staff.

They have to improve in facets of the game, but they're a really young team.

McMurry's had a tough schedule, CUA has also had a relatively tough schedule despite the fact that the TWU and the HBU games don't count for anything in the regional rankings.

I'm not forgetting Coleman's Cowboys either, but they haven't played anyone I'm familiar enough with to get a good read on them yet. I know they have pretty decent arms and Blake Stepp. We'll see if those Tomball freshman can keep swinging hot sticks.

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2008, 11:46:16 AM
My unspoken fear of "not enough arms*" at McMurry is showing itself.



* "You can never be too blonde, too rich or have too much pitching.  -- The Baseball Pundit."

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on February 22, 2008, 01:38:55 PM
Quote from: indian4life on February 22, 2008, 12:26:43 AM
Quote from: Spence on February 21, 2008, 08:32:46 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on February 21, 2008, 02:40:04 PM
With the season two weeks into the long run, which teams are surprising you or disappointing you? I am a bit surprised by TLU and their struggles while Texas-Tyler is right where I thought they would be.

Haven't seen it mentioned but Mary Hardin-Baylor is undefeated at 5-0.
Quote from: Spence on February 21, 2008, 08:32:46 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on February 21, 2008, 02:40:04 PM
With the season two weeks into the long run, which teams are surprising you or disappointing you? I am a bit surprised by TLU and their struggles while Texas-Tyler is right where I thought they would be.

Haven't seen it mentioned but Mary Hardin-Baylor is undefeated at 5-0.

Because 3 of their 5 wins were against teams that a 5A high school team could compete with the other two coming against a declining program in Texas Weslyan and Trinity who is always a challenge an this would be their only quality win.

So that's one more quality win than UT-Tyler has right now?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on February 22, 2008, 01:56:56 PM
Quote from: Spence on February 22, 2008, 01:38:55 PM
Quote from: indian4life on February 22, 2008, 12:26:43 AM
Quote from: Spence on February 21, 2008, 08:32:46 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on February 21, 2008, 02:40:04 PM
With the season two weeks into the long run, which teams are surprising you or disappointing you? I am a bit surprised by TLU and their struggles while Texas-Tyler is right where I thought they would be.

Haven't seen it mentioned but Mary Hardin-Baylor is undefeated at 5-0.
Quote from: Spence on February 21, 2008, 08:32:46 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on February 21, 2008, 02:40:04 PM
With the season two weeks into the long run, which teams are surprising you or disappointing you? I am a bit surprised by TLU and their struggles while Texas-Tyler is right where I thought they would be.

Haven't seen it mentioned but Mary Hardin-Baylor is undefeated at 5-0.

Because 3 of their 5 wins were against teams that a 5A high school team could compete with the other two coming against a declining program in Texas Weslyan and Trinity who is always a challenge an this would be their only quality win.

So that's one more quality win than UT-Tyler has right now?

This is very much true!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 22, 2008, 11:38:22 PM
UMHB 6 - East Texas Baptist 2 (http://www2.umhb.edu/sportsinfo/cbaseball/022208-a.htm)
Sul Ross 4 - UT Dallas 2 (http://cometsports.utdallas.edu/NEWS/BASE/BOXES08/b7srsu1.htm)
UT Dallas 9 - Sul Ross 0 (http://cometsports.utdallas.edu/NEWS/BASE/BOXES08/b8srsu2.htm)
Texas Lutheran 13 - LeTourneau 2 (http://www.tlu.edu/i/athletics/baseball/stats/2008/tlulet1.htm)
Hardin Simmons 9 - Mississippi College 8 (http://hsuathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/stats/2007-2008/hsubsb6.html)
Ozarks 10 - Schreiner 1 (http://athletics.schreiner.edu/baseball/Results/Results%2008/022208bs.htm)
Howard Payne 5 - Louisiana College 3 (http://www.hputx.edu/s/668/images/editor_documents/SID%20Documents/BB/bb8g8.htm)
UT Tyler vs. Concordia is a late game...

Perhaps a bit of commentary later...

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 23, 2008, 12:26:29 AM
CTX 9, UTT 8 in 10 innings ... and here is how the winning run was scored.

In the bottom of the tenth, Concordia's leadoff man singled, then the next batter sac-bunted him to second. Then, Texas-Tyler's coach had his pitcher intentionally walk the next guy...but the pitcher bounced the first intentional ball in the grass and Concordia's runner went to third on the wild pitch. After that intentional walk was done (with another near wild pitch on the fourth ball), the coach called for another IBB to load the bases with one out. The Patriots' pitcher, now free to pitch normally but with his rhythm thrown off, IMO, by the consecutive IBB's, then walks in the winning run on four pitches.

Concordia used 4 pitchers, and UTT used 6. Concordia also left 18 runners on. Yes, 18.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 23, 2008, 01:00:14 AM
Big game for Chad Thielepape, and a solid job by the CUA pitching staff. Congrats to the Tornadoes on that win (though it doesn't count towards ASC records like their box score indicates.)

How was the zone CUAfan?

I just ask b/c Campbell had walked 1 to 10Ks in in previous two starts.

In retrospect do you think UT Tyler should've stayed with Zeigler rather than go to Wolfe there in the 8th?

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 23, 2008, 09:33:31 AM
It's hard to say about the zone, as I didn't have a really good angle on it. It did seem a little inconsistent though. I thought it was odd given Campbell's track record this year, but then CTX was making good contact and getting guys on with regularity, so maybe he just had an off-night?

I didn't really have an issue with taking Zeigler out. He'd been in for 3+ innings and his pitch count had to be getting up there, and he did seem to be losing a little, so taking him out made sense. No one thought Wolfe would do as poorly as he did, so IMO it only looks bad in hindsight.

It will be interesting to see how the games today go. If CTX can hang with UTT in both games today, it bodes well for their conference schedule.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 23, 2008, 09:54:46 AM
Quote from: CUAfan on February 23, 2008, 09:33:31 AM
...
It will be interesting to see how the games today go. If CTX can hang with UTT in both games today, it bodes well for their conference schedule.
It bodes well now.

The ASC-West is now a five-team race, CTX, HSU, McM, TLU, UMHB (in alphabetical order).

And I saw that SRSU beat a respectable UT-Dallas team.  Holding UT-Dallas to 2 runs either means great SRSU pitching from Jaime Rojo or no UT-Dallas offense.  (We know that pitcher Mark Cox for UT-Dallas is potentially a very good one this year.) 

If SRSU or HPU or Schreiner pick up a hot pitcher, then that just made sweeping the series on a "weak sister" that much harder!

This will be a fun race!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on February 23, 2008, 01:32:41 PM
Just FYI - all staffed home games at McMurry (which is most home games) will be available with live stats.

http://livestats.internetconsult.com/mcmurry/baseball
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: utilitycat17 on February 23, 2008, 04:49:32 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on February 23, 2008, 12:26:29 AM
Then, Texas-Tyler's coach had his pitcher intentionally walk the next guy...but the pitcher bounced the first intentional ball in the grass and Concordia's runner went to third on the wild pitch.

I'm just curious, because its been a while since I played at the college level, but I thought at the college level you didn't actually have to throw the intentional balls.  I thought you just had to declare that you wanted to intentionally walk the batter, and then they could take their base.  If that is the case, then I would say that was a huge oversight by the coach.  But if not, then maybe that is something they should work on in practice.  I know as a former catcher, that I hated dealing with intentional walks because pitchers were notorious for throwing at my feet, and that is tough to deal with when you are standing upright.  I personally think it is something that is easily overlooked in practice, but still necessary, as it can be costly and demoralizing to give up bases and runs over something so seemingly easy as an intentional ball. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 23, 2008, 07:15:57 PM
McMurry 6, Austin College 1.  Game 1
McMurry 20, Austin College 5. Game 2.

McMurry scored 10 earned runs in the second inning of Game 2, as Curry got the win and Stephens takes the loss for AC.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on February 23, 2008, 08:15:14 PM
Quote from: mcm_sid on February 23, 2008, 01:32:41 PM
Just FYI - all staffed home games at McMurry (which is most home games) will be available with live stats.

http://livestats.internetconsult.com/mcmurry/baseball

Does this include non-McMurry games?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: MCM Gangster on February 24, 2008, 01:11:32 AM
McMurry has plenty of arms, just walks are  killing them right now.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2008, 08:13:59 AM
Quote from: MCM Gangster on February 24, 2008, 01:11:32 AM
McMurry has plenty of arms, just walks are  killing them right now.
Greetings McM Gangster!

Welcome to the message boards!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on February 24, 2008, 12:00:37 PM
Quote from: Spence on February 23, 2008, 08:15:14 PM
Quote from: mcm_sid on February 23, 2008, 01:32:41 PM
Just FYI - all staffed home games at McMurry (which is most home games) will be available with live stats.

http://livestats.internetconsult.com/mcmurry/baseball

Does this include non-McMurry games?

Do you mean neutral games at McMurry's site?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 26, 2008, 06:41:43 PM
Southwestern defeats Texas Lutheran 9-0

W: Wes Willis 9 IP, 5 H, 0 BB, 2 HBP, 9Ks
L: Jeremy Wilhelm 4.2 IP, 6 H, 3 ER, 2 BB, 1 K

SU:
Richard Falcone 3-4, 3 runs, 1 RBI, 1 SB
Michael Murphy 1-3, 1 run, 2 RBI, 2 BB
Blake Williams 2-5, 4 RBI
Eric Gonzalez 2-3, 1 run, 1 RBI

TLU:
Kyle Harvey 1-4, 2 SB

Bulldogs make 3 more errors, all on the middle infield.
Had some opportunities for clutch 2 out hits with runners in scoring position from key players in the 1st, 2nd and 5th innings but were unable to convert.

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2008, 01:40:11 AM
McM 10, ETBU 3.  Johnston gets the win for McMurry.

UOzarks 9, UMHB 1 (http://eagles.ozarks.edu/baseball/stats/2008/umhb.htm). Todd Koch pitches 7 scoreless innings for the Eagles.  He gives up 3 hits 2 BB's and strikes out 9, facing 27 batters.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on March 02, 2008, 08:45:43 AM
Quote from: mcm_sid on February 24, 2008, 12:00:37 PM
Quote from: Spence on February 23, 2008, 08:15:14 PM
Quote from: mcm_sid on February 23, 2008, 01:32:41 PM
Just FYI - all staffed home games at McMurry (which is most home games) will be available with live stats.

http://livestats.internetconsult.com/mcmurry/baseball

Does this include non-McMurry games?

Do you mean neutral games at McMurry's site?

I mean games not involving McMurry that are played at Driggers Field. However you want to phrase that.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on March 02, 2008, 01:47:14 PM
probably not except for if we were to host the ASC Tourney and we will have a live stats set up for the regional this year, but not sure if we will use ICS as it will cost a good bit of money when we can do the basic HTML live stats for free - even though it won't look or function as sharply.

Another note - kinda got swept under the rug with all the basketball tournaments going around. McMurry's Brent Voorhees became the ASC's all-time leader in both home runs and RBI in the same day Saturday. He passed David White of Concordia-Austin in both categories. Stats were unofficial for the weekend b/c ETBU SID was not there - but Voorhees should be at 40 HR and 169 RBI. White had 38 HR and 167 RBI for the Tornados from 2001-2004.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 02, 2008, 04:24:51 PM
Concordia sweeps LU in its three game series by a large margin.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 03, 2008, 11:53:38 PM
Concordia 17
Desalles    10  F

Williams hits his 9th longball. Cold night in Austin.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2008, 09:37:45 AM
HSU 3, Trinity 2 (http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/Baseball/).
Please find the game story and box score on the page and click.  :)

Great win!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on March 06, 2008, 12:01:41 PM
Just FYI - Hardin-Simmons vs. McMurry series moved Friday's single game to Sunday at 2 p.m. Saturday doubleheader is still at 1 p.m.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on March 06, 2008, 02:38:35 PM
Abilene Reporter News Article on Brent Voorhees for breaking ASC record in homers and RBI.

http://reporternews.com/news/2008/mar/05/voorhees-a-hit-for-mcmurry-baseball/ (http://reporternews.com/news/2008/mar/05/voorhees-a-hit-for-mcmurry-baseball/)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 06, 2008, 06:31:08 PM
Congrats to Brent Vorhees on your indiviual accomplishments.  David White is one of my closest friends and I called him last weekend as soon as the press release came out and informed him of his 2nd place status...he told me that "I had ruined his day"  ... Brent you should be honored that you broke his records and most likely earned season tickets in his dome b/c im sure he will lose some sleep over the fact that he can nothing about it now.  On another note you told a reporter that you had "no idea what you had done"  I find this a little hard to believe given the fact that you are a Math Major with a 3.91 GPA ... you and I both know you are a STAT-HOUND and you couldnt sleep until you achieved this feat.  Dont be selfish, this is a team sport.  But its in the records book now and you should be able to sleep better.  Now get focused and go help your team win, after all you guys are hosting the West Regional this year and it would be very disappointing If I show up and the Indians only participation in the tournament is selling programs and raking the field.  Remember what coach Driggers said in the newspaper "you could be a better hitter if you would just stay back and wait on pitches"  ... STAY BACK!!!  but dont stay back too long because I would hate for you to get jammed in all that cold weather you guys have there, it might sting a bit.  GO GET 'EM


Whats in the water in Belton, Texas?  I think the UMHB Crusaders baseball team needs to be tested for elevated testosterone levels or HGH use.  They must have bought a new pitching machine in the off-season.  Their successful start of the 2008 season is unbelievable .... until you take a look at who they've beat, then its completely believable.  I think they got their schedules confused with Belton High School.  Will someone please tell them that a 4A state title does not give them an automatic birth to the West Regional @ McMurry, although I'm sure the Indians could use some extra help getting the field ready for all those other teams.  I know guys want some hardware to put in the empty glass cabinets next to the Conference Championship trophy your Basketball Team just earned, but trust me when I say that noone would respect a 4A baseball state title trophy on your shelf.  Perhaps you guys arent aware since you lost your NCAA schedule but you start conference this weekend....please do not let Sul Ross State Sneak up on you.  Follow in Justin Champion's foot steps and rub some eye-black all over face so will have your game face on and pack a sack lunch.

T-L-WHO?  TLU suffered a heart breaking loss this week to Wabash University Little Giants - Liberal Arts School for Men.  You guys should be ashamed of yourselves.  Just the sound of that when I read it out loud makes me want to puke all over my keyboard and monitor.  Bulldogs aren't supposed to be defeated by Little Giants.  I know John Krog was unable to play his 10th consecutive season in the ASC but that doesnt give you guys the right to just fall apart at the seams. You had also be thanking GOD that Coach Miller isnt still at the helm or you guys would still be running wind sprints.  We all know that real men are honest and admit the truth to themselves when they look in the mirror.  I want all Bulldogs and all Bulldog baseball fans to get up right now and go into the bathroom and look in the mirror and repeat this statement: "WABASH UNIVERSITY, A LIBERAL ARTS SCHOOL FOR MEN, BEAT US.  THE LITTLE GIANTS EMBARRASSED US ON OUR OWN TURF AND IN FRONT OF OUR GIRLFRIENDS AND PARENTS.  WE ARE SO LUCKY COACH MILLER IS THE AD AND NOT OUR HEAD COACH OR WE WOULD STILL BE RUNNING WIND SPRINTS.  WE WILL ALWAYS REMEMBER THE WAY THIS MAKE US FEEL AND WILL NOT EMBARRASS OURSELVES, OUR UNIVERSITY, OUR FRIENDS, OUR FAMILIES, OUR GIRLFRIENDS, AND THE ASC BY EVER LETTING A LIBERAL ARTS SCHOOL FOR MEN OR A TEAM REFERRED TO AS THE LITTLE GIANTS EVER BEAT US AGAIN."  Dont you feel better that you said it out loud?  I dont, I still want to puke, but hopefully.  Now tighten up your jock-straps b/c you are headed down to Austin this weekend, and be sure to pack your left-handed fungos and pearls for batting practice as it will be your last attempt to pepper I H-35 during batting practice due to campus being moved next year.

stirring the pot,
HAMBONE
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 06, 2008, 11:15:52 PM
Good post, Hambone!  :D

Welcome to the message boards!  :)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 07, 2008, 12:51:36 AM
I enjoyed the post as well and couldn't help but snicker at the Justin Champion comment. I thought it was a LITTLE snarky for a former CUA Sportsmanship Award Recipient though. Seriously though, I thought it brought a little flavor to the board, particularly because I feel like Ralph and I are always trying to be so "politically correct."

Without 16 guys on the roster from Deer Park, White and Krog peppering the building in RF, and Steve Smith throwing his 107th slider, it might not feel like the same ole CUA-TLU rivalry.

My prediction: Logan Hull and TLU take game 1, then CUA sweeps the Saturday games.

Best of luck to both teams ...

JSG



Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 07, 2008, 11:55:16 AM
Thanks for the warm welcome gents.  Just for the record, I have the upmost respect for Brent Voorhees, Head Coach Lee Driggers, the McMurry Indians, John Krog, Former Head Coach Bill Miller, the Texas Lutheran Bulldogs, Justin Champion, and UMHB.  I certainly have no intentions of showing any levels of disrespect for any of these people or programs, and I wish the best of luck to everyone as the ASC kicks off conference play this weekend.  Now for my bashing of the Wabash program, I do apologize....but lets be real, it was funny.  Now as mentioned, I was a 2004 recipient of the ASC Sportsmanship Award and I believe 100% in Karma on the baseball diamond, this is my formal apology for now and for later posts that taken out of context so that I am not hit in the forehead with a foul ball.


Now on to real business....its 100% sunny and clear in Austin, Texas this morning.  Tonight should be fairly chili but clear and that means the wind will definately be blowing out towrds left-center field.  The 2002 West Division Champs, ASC Conference Champs, West Regional Champs, and Div III World Series squad will be honored before the start of the game.  So if anyone that reads this message board can make it out, come join us as we get together, most likely for the last time beore the field we built with are bare hands is leveled.

Best of luck to everyone this season.  And speak out loud on this message board. lets get as many former players and fans involved as possible, as this is a great place for everyone to stay connected at the click of a button.

HAMBONE
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 07, 2008, 11:59:22 AM
Williams is a triple crown threat! With a cold northern in Austin, lack of pitching from TLU.... should be another slugfest with Williams hitting 3!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 07, 2008, 02:16:21 PM
Quote from: Bman3 on March 07, 2008, 11:59:22 AM
Williams is a triple crown threat! With a cold northern in Austin, lack of pitching from TLU.... should be another slugfest with Williams hitting 3!

I wouldn't claim that either team has very much depth on the mound.

TLU's weekend starters actually have a collective ERA (4.66) a bit lower than Concordia's weekend starters (5.26).

I'm using who I'd anticipate both teams throwing this weekend:
CUA - Morrison, Whiteley, Szkotak
TLU - Hull, McGinley, Segura

Now provided it's tied late in the game you probably have to give the edge to CUA because Aubry has been better Conley or Wesson for TLU.

Both teams are fielding at the .942 clip and struggling, particularly on the left side.

CUA is hitting .312, while TLU is hitting .310.

Statistically speaking these two teams look relatively equal at the plate. That said, I think Concordia is the better offensive team right now. Jacobs and Mercer are doing a great job getting on the sack and we're all aware of what Williams is doing. Despite the fact that Wernecke and Thielepape aren't hitting for a high average they are providing pop in the middle of that Tornado order -- 9 HRs, 46 RBIs between them

TLU's 4 and 5 spots 4 HRs and 26 RBIs between them. That's a pretty big discrepancy even in spite of the difference in the team's respective home parks.

If you forced me to pick I'd still say TLU wins game 1 behind Logan Hull, but that CUA takes both Saturday games at home.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 07, 2008, 03:44:32 PM
thats a pretty good scouting report JSG.  that extensive thought process of hitters tendencies and pitchers results does mean a lot, however you missed an important stat...whats the tornados record of Fri night conference games at home?  im not sure of the exact #'s, but there isnt very many losses mixed in that fraction... just some food for thought.

Home Field Advantage - Concordia blows them out tonight.  Game 2 could go either way once tlu gets used to all their surroundings.  Game 3 CU.  of course only time will tell.  I believe TLU swept CU in Seguine last year.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 07, 2008, 11:21:13 PM
Texas Lutheran defeated Concordia 8-7

TLU scored 8 runs on 11 hits and had 3 errors.
CUA scored 7 runs on 4 hits and the box score has 0 errors (but I would argue that Williams' throw to 3rd base on Femath's single that allowed Harvey to score on the hit-n-run play was an error.)

Logan Hull (4-1) earned the win for the Bulldogs going 7 innings and giving up 4 runs (1 was earned) on 3 hits, 5 BB, 5K.

Robert Conley worked the final two innings gave up 3 runs on 1 hit (3 run blast by Williams in the bottom of the 9th after giving up 1 BB and 1 HBP).

Ethan Morrison (1-2) got the loss for Concordia. He tossed 6 innings, gave up 6 runs (5 ER) on 7 hits. He issed 3 walks and recorded 6 Ks.

Andrew Femath was 3-5 with 1 run scored and 2 RBI.
Kyle Harvey was 1-2 with a solo HR in the first, 1 BB and 2 HBP. He scored 4 times and swiped a bag bringing his season total to 14 SBs. Joe Genry was 2-5 with a solo HR of his own.

Tom Williams went 2-4 with 2 more HRs (bringing his season total to 11). After watching him last night I'm convinced he isn't just a product of that park. He's a really talented hitter in the middle of that Tornado order.


JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 08, 2008, 04:22:26 PM
Concordia 13-16-1
4-4-3

Concordia defeated Texas Lutheran 13-4.

         R   H   E
CUA: 13-16-1
TLU:    4-4-3

Patrick Mercer homered from Concordia and I think Justin Beasley added 2 HR.

TLU just doesn't seem to have much depth on the bump after Logan Hull.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 08, 2008, 08:37:57 PM
Concordia takes rubber match 11-8 in a TLU slopfest, 5 errors. Really a sloppy game, and Concordia's bullpen wasnt at its best either. I guess Miller saw this coming, calling its quits last year. TLU is still a solid team that can bounce back and compete throughout the yearfor a playoff run.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 08, 2008, 08:44:03 PM
McM splits with HSU today.

HSU 6, McM 5
McM 16 HSU 1.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 08, 2008, 10:25:36 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on March 07, 2008, 02:16:21 PM
If you forced me to pick I'd still say TLU wins game 1 behind Logan Hull, but that CUA takes both Saturday games at home.

JSG

Ahem. ;-)

Perhaps these are things the Bulldogs can fix and perhaps they're in for a tough year where they have to claw just to make the playoffs. In my mind, they are probably the 5th best team in the ASC right now.

They don't pitch that well after Logan Hull, they play awful defense and they're not very timely when they need to be at the plate. The last one is one that they can probably fix because I think they definitely have the means to be a good offensive team. Speaking of which, the way Miller has swung it off the bench (he was 0-4 in the one recent start he's had) do they find a place for him in the lineup? Maybe in left ?

McMurry comes to town next weekend so there's not much time to figure things out.

I think if you're Burnett you just you just ask your whole staff who wants the ball, who can get battle and get me a win and put it in the guy's hand who's most convincing.

As Miller goes, I think it has a lot LESS to do with what he saw coming as a result of his personnel and a lot lot MORE about some other things. They knew the staff would be fairly thin, but Hembree (1.88 ERA, .143 against), Conley (2.52 ERA, .233 against), Wesson (3.86 ERA) and Yager (8-1) were all better a year ago. Also, did they really anticipate Jake Kaase going high enough to actually go to the MiLB?

As far as CUA goes, they're not all that great on the mound either, but they seem to be put together a little better. In spite of the similar Fielding %, they seem to play better D and props to Gardner for going and getting a big bat in Williams that really solidifies the middle of that order and gives them something they've missed in these last two down years or so they've had.

Where do they fall in with respect to the ASC? McMurry's still my favorite and I think whomever pitches better out of the CUA/UMHB is probably second behind them, but I think HSU is fairly inter-changeable in that mix as well (but are going to struggle to log solid innings from their starters). The ASC should be a whole lot of fun to watch this year.

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 09, 2008, 01:50:54 AM
Lousiana College took a pair of one-run games from UT Dallas Saturday.

Game One Box (http://www.lcwildcats.net/sports/baseball/2008/lcvsutd1.htm)
Game Two Box (http://www.lcwildcats.net/sports/baseball/2008/lcvsutd2.htm)

With the exception of a pretty sub-par performance against Howard Payne LA College starter Craig Naquin has been very solid.  He moves to 3-1 w/ a 3.33 ERA, 26Ks in 27 IP and a .253 avg against.

I was surprised to see them get the best of Cox, who really pitched well enough for a win. He gave up all three runs with two outs in the 5th.

Barrett Morgan has been sensational for LA College in relief.

Drew Waggoner certainly turned in a fairly solid start for UT Dallas. I still think they need some more pitching depth (but we can say that about almost every team in the ASC) after Cox, especially because of all the guys they lost offensively despite the fact some of those guys have swung well this year thus far.

They have faced some really soft pitching though so this could be  a sign of things to come against the better pitching teams like UT Tyler and Ozarks in the East.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 09, 2008, 03:05:59 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 08, 2008, 08:44:03 PM
McM splits with HSU today.

HSU 6, McM 5
McM 16 HSU 1.

In the first game, HSU did EXACTLY what they have to do to defeat a team like McMurry. They got guys out they're supposed to get out and they kept Yurchick off base in front of the big guys. They let the big guys get theirs and they gave up a big inning, but they got the ball to Barton & Alcorn late and let them do their jobs.

That said, it was only a 7 inning game -- can the starters consistently get them deep enough to hand it off to those two?

Hardin-Simmons also swung it well against Johnston who did strike out 10 Cowboys, but relenquished 5 ER on 12 hits. Weeks, Stepp, Gage, Sellari and Armstrong all had two hits a piece.

Derek David was 3-3 and Stephen Derrick was 1-2 with a 3 run HR for McMurry.


In the second game Cody Curry was dominating going 7 innings, giving up 1 ER on 2 hits, and 4Ks. He did issue 5 BB.

Sweatman didn't pitch great for HSU, but Roten gave up 6 ER in 1.1 and that's when it got really ugly.

McMurry's 2-5 hitters combined to go 14-23 with 10 runs scored and 11 RBI. Weston Franco, Ross Shores and PH Jake Mullin all left the yard.

I'm guessing you'll see Tim Kriegel for the Cowboys tomorrow. We can discuss this issue when the time comes, but eventually you might see Kyle Barton have to try his role as a starter again if there's a battle for the 4th playoff spot out West.

For McMurry I suspect you'll see Arnold Toombs unless he's hurt (he didn't pitch much against ETBU last weekend and wasn't throwing that bad as far as I can tell.) If he's hurt, they almost have to go with Vorhees.

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 09, 2008, 03:23:13 AM
In other ASC action:

Mississippi College 2 - LeTourneau 0 (http://www.gochoctaws.com/sports/baseball/2008/letvsmc1.htm)

Jonathan Russell threw a 9 inning CG shut-out giving up 3 hits and striking out 7. Brannon Walls was 2-4 with an RBI.

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Howard Payne took 2 of 3 from Schreiner.


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UMHB 1 - Sul Ross 0 (http://www2.umhb.edu/sportsinfo/cbaseball/030808-a.htm)

R.B. Garza threw 7 inning CG shut-out giving up 3 hits and striking out 5. Jamie Rojo pitched well for Sul Ross, holding the high octane UMHB offense to 5 hits and 1 unearned run.


UMHB 10 - Sul Ross 1 (http://www2.umhb.edu/sportsinfo/cbaseball/030808-b.htm)

The the first five hitters for the Cru went 15-22.


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In other action, UT Tyler swept two games (including an extra inning game) from Austin College in non-ASC action.

Box Score One (http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/statistics/2007-2008/baseball/2008-14b.htm)
Box Score Two (http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/statistics/2007-2008/baseball/2008-15b.htm)

JSG








Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2008, 05:31:28 PM
McM took the series over HSU today with 5-3 win.  Toombs went 5+ innings (95 pitches) for the win and Martin got a 4-inning save.  Alcorn took the loss for the Cowboys.

Wow!  The West looks like it is a tough five-team race.

And, as I said earlier, it looks like every team in the West has enough pitching to cause problems.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 09, 2008, 06:22:06 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2008, 05:31:28 PM
And, as I said earlier, it looks like every team in the West has enough pitching to cause problems.

Ralph,

You mean a lack of pitching depth in the West ?

I think McMurry (and the jury is still out on UMHB) is the only team that can say that have a legitimately sound starting rotation at this point.

Despite Alcorn getting touched up a bit - HSU has two very solid bullpen guys, but haven't shown they have the starters to get them to the end of a game.

Concordia has a better starting staff than HSU, but other than Aubry, who like Alcorn got touched up a bit this weekend, I don't know how much depth they have out of the pen. Morrison hasn't been all that impressive as a #1 and until Szkotak's solid performance against TLU he'd been less than impressive.

With all due respect to the Howard Payne's, Schreiner's and Sul Ross's of the world -- there's lots of guys that can shut those teams down.

TLU has been pretty bad with the exception of Logan Hull. I envisioned the end of their bullpen with Wesson, Yager and Conley alot like Hardin-Simmons' has been with Alcorn and Barton, but that hasn't been the case.

Looking foward to next weekend:
McMurry vs. Texas Lutheran
Hardin Simmons vs. UMHB

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm505 on March 09, 2008, 06:50:47 PM
Hambone--

I always need to hear a remark about the elder statesman Krog and his 10 year service to the American Southwest Conference (especially since I just heard about this site this week).  I was glad to see that a McMurry player took some of those records back, even though D. White is a good guy.  Hambone, thanks for the humor, which sounds remarkably like a guy I used to work baseball camps with back in the day that shared the same last name as me, and his father also had the exact name as my dad.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2008, 10:16:38 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on March 09, 2008, 06:22:06 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2008, 05:31:28 PM
And, as I said earlier, it looks like every team in the West has enough pitching to cause problems.

Ralph,

You mean a lack of pitching depth in the West ?

Half empty, half full.  :)

From a partisan McMurry point of view... Jaime Rojo could mess up my weekend very easily!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 10, 2008, 01:23:51 PM
I was @ the TLU/CUA....I mean CTX series and I learned a few things:

*Not the rivalry it use to be
*Tom Williams is The Real Deal and might hit 28 HR
*Logan Hull is descent #1
*TLU won Game 1, but act like you've been there before. You have represented the ASC in the Regionals the past 3 years, I hope you didn't act like that there. It was quite pothetic. 
*JSG either has a ton of Frequent Flier Miles or spends too much time on the computer. It is nice to know what is going on in the Conference, but damn I got home from the CTX game Friday night only to see a full summary of the game. I did notice that when TLU won, the summary was much longer than when CTX put their beat down on. Must be a Bulldog.

It looks like this year we are going to see a lot of Offense from most of the teams around the ASC. It should be a very fun season to follow.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 10, 2008, 01:37:05 PM
I talk about just_some_guy being on the site sooo much, however I put a shortcut on my desktop to link me straight to d3sports.com and will become a regular. I dont follow all the teams so keep it up JSG, we do appreciate your dedication.

003
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 10, 2008, 01:41:14 PM
I don't wont to be on Junior Varsity any more, how many post before I see a little playing time.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 10, 2008, 01:44:51 PM
Welcome aboard.  The posts just add up over the years (8 years in my case).

I will appreciate any game reports and links that your SID may have sent.

We have a great race in the West again.

Which team do you follow, Bman3?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 10, 2008, 06:27:25 PM
I am a Proud Concordia University Alumni!!!! I feel the ASC Conference does not get the respect it should. It is nice to see some of the teams venturing out to other various West Region teams. However, I would like to see more games against some North East Yankee teams. I think beating up on these teams would help gain some notoriety. They have NO RESPECT for DIII basbeall in the South. This has to change! Our Conference is deep. We beat each other up all year and some of the Conference Champions in the North couldn't hold our jock strap!!!

003
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 10, 2008, 06:29:36 PM
what does the karma counter mean?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: infielddad on March 10, 2008, 07:06:42 PM
Quote from: Bman3 on March 10, 2008, 01:23:51 PM
I was @ the TLU/CUA....I mean CTX series and I learned a few things:

*Not the rivalry it use to be
*Tom Williams is The Real Deal and might hit 28 HR
*Logan Hull is descent #1
*TLU won Game 1, but act like you've been there before. You have represented the ASC in the Regionals the past 3 years, I hope you didn't act like that there. It was quite pothetic. 
*JSG either has a ton of Frequent Flier Miles or spends too much time on the computer. It is nice to know what is going on in the Conference, but damn I got home from the CTX game Friday night only to see a full summary of the game. I did notice that when TLU won, the summary was much longer than when CTX put their beat down on. Must be a Bulldog.

It looks like this year we are going to see a lot of Offense from most of the teams around the ASC. It should be a very fun season to follow.



Bman3, J_S_G is a wealth of very good and objective information not only for the ASC, but for all DIII's in TX including Southwestern and Trinity.
He then provides additional insight to bring in the schools in the SCIAC, the NWC and also the independents including Chapman and Cal St. East Bay.
I have had some suspicions that he must be a former or current coach. He  gets information that does not exist at the DIII level, unless you make a lot of calls and talk to a lot of people(the other option of travelling to all these places seems to rule itself out) He also has plenty of history since he knew things about our son quite well, and ours graduated in 2004.
I would not worry whether he is from TLU or someplace else. The information is quite solid, as you can tell by his pick in the opening TLU/CTX game, and every post is darn middle of the road.  If he has a bias, it sure hasn't shown in the last 18 months that I have been reading.
In summary, I wouldn't worry.  J_S_G provides fun reading for the entire West Region that is awfully good and reliable.
I am hoping J_S_G keeps it coming because the season is really only now starting to come together.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 10, 2008, 07:32:38 PM
whoa, chill out Bman3.  that tone sounds pretty serious.  I believe its safe to say that there are a lot of teams that could not hold your jock strap or even want to since you are a dude...ask me to hold a sports bra and you might get a different response!  I agree with the lack of respect or coverage of D3 teams from the south, but with a majority of these teams in CA, TX, LA, and MS its safe to say the majority tend to follow all of the D1 power houses that fill these states.  I believe its also safe to say that a majority of the successful D1 programs in the North East are in sports other than Baseball that D3 baseball gets more respect due to the higher levels of success.  I think there are a lot of great teams that fall through the cracks each year, but i think you would have to agree that it means there is a high level of competition in the West region making it a great place to play some hardball.  The greatest factor would have to be the weather in the south, which is why most of us are able to play year round.

on another note...the ASC is off in full swing!  The ASC west looks like it will be a tough race to conf tournament this year.  overall it appears that the team that out hits there own pitching will prevail.  There doesnt seem to be any team with a solid staff or a bull pen with much depth.  Team Pitching and Team Fielding for most of the clubs are less than respectable, but that should make it fun to watch.  HPU and TLU both made double digit errors in last weekends series, but it appears both are capable of beating anyone they face if they hit on all cylinders.  Its going to be every bit of a 5 team race in the West.  I dont foresee many 3 game sweeps this year, and none of the contenders can afford to let SU or SRSU take a win.  

McMurry takes on TLU in Seguine, UMHB goes to Abilene for HSU, and CTX makes the trip to Brownwood.  I think its safe to safe there will be some blood shed this weekend with TLU and HSU coming off a losing weekend, they are both @ home playing West contenders and will have there dukes up to defend their turf.  CTX will face a scrappy team from HPU that seems to be a very agressive ball club, just not very good. They dont appear very savvy on defense making 12 errors last weekend and their catchers have a combined 16 passed balls this season.  with that big ball park it will be interesting to see what happens.  My senior year ('04)we were victim of a no/no on friday from a senior on senior weekend...the next day we beat them into submission and i tatooed the archery barn twice....Lord those were the good ole days and I wish i were in the middle of this competition thid year.  best of luck to all the teams this week and Bman3 it looks like there is a pitcher from Ozarks that might give your strikeout records a run for your money...you had 14 twice in 2 different 9 inning complete game performances...Curt Dixon had 14 in 5.2 innings!  Damn Gina.  It was probably against the Arkansas School for the Blind though, he cant hold your jock strap!

HAMBONE
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: infielddad on March 10, 2008, 07:51:48 PM
Quote from: Bman3 on March 10, 2008, 06:27:25 PM
I am a Proud Concordia University Alumni!!!! I feel the ASC Conference does not get the respect it should. It is nice to see some of the teams venturing out to other various West Region teams. However, I would like to see more games against some North East Yankee teams. I think beating up on these teams would help gain some notoriety. They have NO RESPECT for DIII basbeall in the South. This has to change! Our Conference is deep. We beat each other up all year and some of the Conference Champions in the North couldn't hold our jock strap!!!

003

Nice idea but it won't happen.
Even if it did, it won't get what you want.
The primary reason is the East and North teams do come South and West, but they come when the teams in TX have played 5-15 games and been outdoors since January and the North/East teams are outdoors for the first time.
It won't happen later in the year when the South and West are done because the North and East are playing 4-5 games per week to complete their schedules.
Suffice to say, when our son played in the NECBL, we got to see a fair number of ECSU players and others from top DIII' places  in the North, East  and Midwest.
Those guys can play.
They also don't have the DI, DII and Juco programs that drain off so much talent in Tx and CA.
I agree with your premise that Tx DIII, including the SCAC schools, is terrific baseball.  With the West Regional finally returning to Texas this year, let's hope they show it.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 10, 2008, 07:52:59 PM
Bman3 im not sure what the Karma counter is for.  can some of you veterans please explain this to us?  thanks.  Im gonna head over to the national topics and stir the pot now.  this should be fun firing up those yankees!  
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 10, 2008, 07:54:10 PM
welcome to the board mcm505
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 10, 2008, 07:54:52 PM
welcome back Blackcat00....enlighten us with your thoughts today!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: infielddad on March 10, 2008, 07:56:40 PM
Quote from: HAMBONE on March 10, 2008, 07:52:59 PM
Bman3 im not sure what the Karma counter is for.  can some of you veterans please explain this to us?  thanks.  Im gonna head over to the national topics and stir the pot now.  this should be fun firing up those yankees! 

If you want some action, cut and paste Bman3's post on Tx DIII's not getting enough respect in the National section.
Wait some and either later tonight or tomorrow morning, Spence with have the pot bubbling at a scalding level.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 10, 2008, 07:58:37 PM
infielddad welcome.  do you follow CTX or TLwho?  

you are correct when you state that TOm Williams is in fact the Real deal....and the beautiful part about it is that he is the real deal from both sides of the plate.  This kid can swing the pole and there is not one bit of chili or mustard dripping from his uniform.  he displays himself as a class act and absolutely destroys the baseball from both sides of the plate.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: infielddad on March 10, 2008, 08:07:25 PM
I follow all of them, but our son graduated from Trinity, so I follow them the most!!
Since we live in CA, I also try and see all the  teams whenever they come to Northern CA , along with seeing Cal State East Bay along the way.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on March 10, 2008, 08:41:33 PM
McMurry beats UT Tyler in a hard fought game 11-8
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 10, 2008, 08:41:47 PM
i love what JSG is doing as i stated in an earlier post. i just dont know how he does it so quickly and so thoroughly.
i wish CTX got to play Trinity and Southwestern more often. What Conference are they in?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 10, 2008, 08:43:11 PM
Quote from: infielddad on March 10, 2008, 08:07:25 PM
I follow all of them, but our son graduated from Trinity, so I follow them the most!!
Since we live in CA, I also try and see all the  teams whenever they come to Northern CA , along with seeing Cal State East Bay along the way.


if your son graduated in '04 im sure myself and Bman3 played against him.  i graduated in '04 and Bman3 in '03.  Was your son apart of the 2002 squad we played in the regional championship game @ southwestern?  I hope you enjoyed watching the CTX vs TLU game @ Keller-Fascholz Field as it will be torn down before the end of the season.  what a tragedy.  
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on March 10, 2008, 08:50:20 PM
Quote from: Bman3 on March 10, 2008, 08:41:47 PM
i love what JSG is doing as i stated in an earlier post. i just dont know how he does it so quickly and so thoroughly.
i wish CTX got to play Trinity and Southwestern more often. What Conference are they in?

They are in the SCAC I believe with Rohdes Milsaps Autsin College and im not sure who else
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on March 10, 2008, 08:56:06 PM
Quote from: indian4life on March 10, 2008, 08:50:20 PM
Quote from: Bman3 on March 10, 2008, 08:41:47 PM
i love what JSG is doing as i stated in an earlier post. i just dont know how he does it so quickly and so thoroughly.
i wish CTX got to play Trinity and Southwestern more often. What Conference are they in?

They are in the SCAC I believe with Rohdes Milsaps Autsin College and im not sure who else

Hendrix also
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 10, 2008, 08:59:11 PM
infielddad is your last name armstrong?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 10, 2008, 09:03:16 PM
Quote from: HAMBONE on March 10, 2008, 07:32:38 PM
Bman3 it looks like there is a pitcher from Ozarks that might give your strikeout records a run for your money...you had 14 twice in 2 different 9 inning complete game performances...Curt Dixon had 14 in 5.2 innings!  Damn Gina.  It was probably against the Arkansas School for the Blind though, he cant hold your jock strap!

HAMBONE

I think Scott's career strikeout records are pretty safe from most of the guys in the ASC at this point. Dixon's a senior for Ozarks and is pretty far back.

You really either have to pitch a solid amount all 4 years, or have 3 years where you're essentially at the top of your game and be a prominent strikeout pitcher.

I don't think CUA's J. Miller was ready to embrace that role until the latter part of his career, but you have to be built from that mold to get there.

TLU's Kyle Newman needed something like 5 wins to dethrone Chema Chavez's ASC wins record and 50Ks (he'd exceeded that his first 3 years) to get Scott's career strikeout tally, but he imploded last year.

I can't find archived stats on UMHB, but Jr. R.B. Garza had 60 K's last year, will probably eclipse that again this year, but I have no clue what he put up his freshman year. Brett Holland is a K - stud for Tyler, but threw 3 innings his freshman year.

Glad to see both of you blowing up the boards.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 10, 2008, 09:07:09 PM
i think if you put trinity or southwestern in the ASC, they would be just an average team fighting for the last playoff spot. JSG, does either team have any stand out players and how do you think they would do in the ASC.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 10, 2008, 09:08:31 PM
damn your good!!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: infielddad on March 10, 2008, 09:11:31 PM
Quote from: Bman3 on March 10, 2008, 08:59:11 PM
infielddad is your last name armstrong?

Yes, you played against our son Jason.
Good games for all 4 years and a couple of good battles in Georgetown in 2002.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 10, 2008, 09:13:36 PM
Quote from: indian4life on March 10, 2008, 08:41:33 PM
McMurry beats UT Tyler in a hard fought game 11-8

Looks like the UT Tyler club is beatable...given the fact that they only played a double header against Austin College last weekend and McMurry played a 3 game series against HSU on sat and sunday, it proves that UT-Tyler is not only beatable but also proves the Indians may have a 4th starter now giving their rotation the support they will need in the conference tournament and regional...provided they make it out of the ASC West.  

FYI their other loss was to CTX...they arent that good.  I respect their ability but I am hoping they fall into a funk this weekend they cant get out of...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm505 on March 10, 2008, 09:16:31 PM
Hambone,

I am just glad to see your still alive.  Its been too long.  Just don't let D White cry too much about losing his record.  Hopefully my indians can give you all a run for your money.  How is Thielapape (can't ever spell the kids name) playing?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 10, 2008, 09:16:39 PM
If you want some action, cut and paste Bman3's post on Tx DIII's not getting enough respect in the National section.
Wait some and either later tonight or tomorrow morning, Spence with have the pot bubbling at a scalding level.
[/quote]

i cut and pasted Bman3's post in the national section...its getting a little action.  thanks for the idea.  
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: infielddad on March 10, 2008, 09:17:22 PM
Quote from: Bman3 on March 10, 2008, 09:07:09 PM
i think if you put trinity or southwestern in the ASC, they would be just an average team fighting for the last playoff spot. JSG, does either team have any stand out players and how do you think they would do in the ASC.

Bman,
The ASC isn't the big 12. 
Other than last year, Trinity has had as much talent as any  ASC team on a year to year basis since 2001. If Coach Meccage had not passed away during the 2002 Regional, that Saturday morning game could have ended up 5-2 Trinity instead of CTX.  But he did and our guys were in no position to play.  CTX played very well the entire 2002 Regional and deserved it's crown.
With Coach Mallon's departure, Southwestern hasn't been at the same level.  That guy got the very, very best out of every player.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 10, 2008, 09:21:27 PM
Quote from: indian4life on March 10, 2008, 08:41:33 PM
McMurry beats UT Tyler in a hard fought game 11-8

McMurry vs. UT Tyler Box Score (http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/statistics/2007-2008/baseball/2008-17b.htm)

VERY quality win for McMurry. Munchrath had been very solid for Tyler, but had pitched primarily out of the bullpen.  With only 5 guys throwing the majority of the innings for Tyler this might have been an inevitable conclusion considering most of their mid-week games have been against less talented opponents.

Smith wasn't fantastic, but was good enough for a win, and that's what matters. I doubt he pitched well enough to increase his innings on the weekend all that much though.

It should be noted McMurry won this game without Franco, who is leading the team in AVG, HR, SLG, and OBP.

This illustrates to me that they're the team the rest of the teams in the West need to try and catch. They have the best rotation in the West. The top-middle of their order is ridiculous. They're not playing very good defense either.

For Tyler:
Kendall Fox was 2-4 w/ 2 RBI
Clay Baker was 3-5
Chad Deleidan was 3-5 w/ 2 runs, a HR, and 3 RBI

For McMurry:
George Whitten was 3-5 w/ 4 runs
Derek David was 5-5 w/ 3 runs, a HR, and 2 RBI
Brent Vorhees was 2-4 w/ 1 run, a HR, and 5 RBI
Gerad Morris was 3-4

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm505 on March 10, 2008, 09:23:08 PM
I coached with Coach Mallon and there was a reason he got the most out of every player:  If they did not play their best they wouldn't be on the field.  I was really disappointed to see him retire, but he can still coach a game, just watch the Georgetown Summer League team's that he still coaches.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: infielddad on March 10, 2008, 09:27:14 PM
mcm,
Coach Mallon was a favorite of mine and a great coach.
I got to know him over the 4 years we made trips.  Talked to him a lot during the SCAC tournaments and shared a lot of stories about his days with the Giants.
He  was wonderfully supportive of our son, more than competitive before that, especially in 2004 with the draft and some player of the year efforts.
If you see him, please tell him the Armstrongs and Jason said to say "hello."
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 10, 2008, 09:27:19 PM
Quote from: mcm505 on March 10, 2008, 09:16:31 PM
Hambone,

I am just glad to see your still alive.  Its been too long.  Just don't let D White cry too much about losing his record.  Hopefully my indians can give you all a run for your money.  How is Thielapape (can't ever spell the kids name) playing?

i am still alive and kicking CMG...in fact i am kicking harder than ever as I won the Homerun derby @ our alumni game this year.  I guess you never really forget how to do some things.  In fact i do believe i have somewhere in the neighborhood of 10 career homeruns against your indians....1 of which was off "the real deal" josh lee....The McMurry and CTX series should be a fun one to watch this year as both their pitching staffs appear sub-par and both teams are hitting the long ball regularly both almost 2 per game....it will be interesting to see if Driggers will make Williams beat him before he pitches around him or if they will just walk him the whole series....which leads us to Warneke and Thielepape...if they both do their job then they will have to throw a few pitches in the zone to Williams.  Thelepape is doing ok.  he has 23 rbi 17 games into season...i would have to say that 50 rbi this season is realistic for him and 50 is a very respectable # in a 40 game season.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm505 on March 10, 2008, 09:34:21 PM
Well my friend, I just dropped three bombs (in one game) in intramural softball up here at Texas Tech, last year (or month) of law school.  Of course you know with my build being like my dad's they were all wind aided.  Glad to see that you still know how to swing a bat.  Thielpape is a good kid, another one of those that you stole away from my indians, but I hear that Coach at Concordia knows a thing or two about recruiting.  Make sure you keep me updated on the McM CU series, I don't here much way up here in Lubbock, but I do get to catch a good Big 12 series from time to time.  Tell your dad my family said hello and sorry my dad couldn't make it to the season opener, family emergency caused him to miss out. Getting married Friday so tons of planning to due, good hearing from ya.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 10, 2008, 09:46:04 PM
Quote from: infielddad on March 10, 2008, 09:17:22 PM
Quote from: Bman3 on March 10, 2008, 09:07:09 PM
i think if you put trinity or southwestern in the ASC, they would be just an average team fighting for the last playoff spot. JSG, does either team have any stand out players and how do you think they would do in the ASC.

Bman,
The ASC isn't the big 12. 
Other than last year, Trinity has had as much talent as any  ASC team on a year to year basis since 2001. If Coach Meccage had not passed away during the 2002 Regional, that Saturday morning game could have ended up 5-2 Trinity instead of CTX.  But he did and our guys were in no position to play.  CTX played very well the entire 2002 Regional and deserved it's crown.
With Coach Mallon's departure, Southwestern hasn't been at the same level.  That guy got the very, very best out of every player.

Nope the ASC is not the Big 12 and i dont think Bman3 ever made any impression that he thought it was.  he only commented that if you put southwestern or trinity in the ASC that they would be an average team fighting for a playoff spot.  I agree completely with this suggestion.  The ASC has 15 teams and even the bottom feeders have 1 pticher and 1 hitter that if are helped by the other 7 can give a team a loss.  its a very competitive conference that is much tougher to get out of than the SCAC...and visa versa if threw a few ASC teams into the SCAC, which I actually think they should do to spread out the talent.

on another note...my heart goes out to Trinity Club for having to play us in the Championship game of the regional the same day one of their coaches died....success in this game of failure is influenced so much by your mental approach and I know their minds and hearts were somewhere else that day...but keep in mind we were undefeated and if Trinity had beaten us the first game 5-2, they would have had to beat us again right after that.....the only team that beat us in a doubleheader in 2002 was UT and they won the Big 12 and the National Championship...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 10, 2008, 09:52:25 PM
Quote from: Bman3 on March 10, 2008, 01:23:51 PM
I was @ the TLU/CUA....I mean CTX series and I learned a few things:

*Not the rivalry it use to be
*Tom Williams is The Real Deal and might hit 28 HR
*Logan Hull is descent #1
*TLU won Game 1, but act like you've been there before. You have represented the ASC in the Regionals the past 3 years, I hope you didn't act like that there. It was quite pothetic. 
*JSG either has a ton of Frequent Flier Miles or spends too much time on the computer. It is nice to know what is going on in the Conference, but damn I got home from the CTX game Friday night only to see a full summary of the game. I did notice that when TLU won, the summary was much longer than when CTX put their beat down on. Must be a Bulldog.

It looks like this year we are going to see a lot of Offense from most of the teams around the ASC. It should be a very fun season to follow.


Just wanted to touch on a few of these.

1.) You're right. It's certainly not the rivalry it used to be, but at the time there were a number of factors that made that a great rivalry.

- For one, both teams had deep pitching staffs. -- Neither do anymore.
- CUA had White and TLU had Krog. There were a lot of other GREAT players on both of those teams, but the fact that they were such similar sluggers always made that match-up son intriguing. Plus let's be honest, Krog is the perfect antagonist to hate if you're another team. Having a guy like that makes rivalries significantly more intense.
- Two years ago TLU won game one and then the series rained out and was never completed. The way that whole thing was handled (and I don't know the intracacies of it all, but it made both coaches seem at fault) was really perplexing. The games could've been played.
- On top of all that CUA started a decline (they definitely seem to be on the way back up, but still aren't at the level they were), and now TLU has fallen off significantly at well.
- During CUA's decline the rivalries between TLU vs. HSU vs. McMurry increased.  HSU's Barry Janisse was one of those antagonists that were easy to dislike and then last year's McM vs. TLU rivalry seemed to culminate with their on-field bench clearing scuffle.

2. Tom Williams is definitely the real deal. He should give both Vorhees and David a run for their money for ASC West Hitter of the Year. His downfall will be that he swings and misses alot, and some won't give him as much credit because of the park he plays in. Those that have seen him know different.

3. I'd venture to say that Logan Hull is more than just a decent #1. He's only a sophomore and he's arguably the best pitcher in the ASC West. You can certainly make a case for some others, and Hull does work from behind and give up a few too many free passes, but holding a pretty solid CUA team to two hits typically supersedes decent.

4. Has TLU ever acted like they've been there before? They've typically been a classy team after the game, but during the game they've always spouted off at the mouth. CUA has always been a pretty vocal team as well.

Having been there before you know that all good ball players have a 'cocky' mindset that typically borders on arrogance, but you have to be that way in a game that you fail at 70% of the time and are still considered successful.

Perhaps a team that is struggling (after umpteen years of 30+ wins) feels the need to vocalize that mindset as a way of convincing themselves that they can still play at that level. Make of that what you will. It doesn't mean it's right -- but it has been the identity of that team since I've been following the ASC.

5. I do probably spend too much time on the computer, but I love division III baseball. I love that these athletes aren't even getting athletic scholarships, yet they're still playing ball typically for the love of the game.

Pardon me if I seem to be biased towards any team. I can assure you that I am not really a fan of ANY team persay. I am a fan of the way athletes compete and I am a fan of the game of baseball in its truest form. I want to see teams come together, fight back, leave it all on the field and play the game the right way.

I hope this clears some of this stuff up.

In addition, thanks very much for the endorsement Infield Dad. It means a lot coming from a valued contributer to this forum and equally knowledgeable baseball fan.

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 10, 2008, 09:53:24 PM
Quote from: mcm505 on March 10, 2008, 09:34:21 PM
Well my friend, I just dropped three bombs (in one game) in intramural softball up here at Texas Tech, last year (or month) of law school.  Of course you know with my build being like my dad's they were all wind aided.  Glad to see that you still know how to swing a bat.  Thielpape is a good kid, another one of those that you stole away from my indians, but I hear that Coach at Concordia knows a thing or two about recruiting.  Make sure you keep me updated on the McM CU series, I don't here much way up here in Lubbock, but I do get to catch a good Big 12 series from time to time.  Tell your dad my family said hello and sorry my dad couldn't make it to the season opener, family emergency caused him to miss out. Getting married Friday so tons of planning to due, good hearing from ya.

if you are graduating law school, you really need to learn to HEAR with your ears; also if you are getting married, then you will have tons of planning to DO...just keeping you in check.  congrats on your law degree, marriage, and most likely the first homeruns your life!  tell your folks i said hello as well.  CTX play SU @ the Dell Diamond on 3/18...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 10, 2008, 10:12:09 PM
Quote from: HAMBONE on March 10, 2008, 09:13:36 PM

given the fact that they only played a double header against Austin College last weekend and McMurry played a 3 game series against HSU on sat and sunday, it proves that UT-Tyler is not only beatable but also proves the Indians may have a 4th starter now giving their rotation the support they will need in the conference tournament and regional...provided they make it out of the ASC West.  

FYI their other loss was to CTX...they arent that good.  I respect their ability but I am hoping they fall into a funk this weekend they cant get out of...

1.) The UT Tyler vs. Austin College series was actually 3 games.
2.) I mentioned previously, but I don't know that Smith did anything to solidify himself as a 4th starter. He did give up 6 ER and 15 hits. Opponents are hitting .378 against him and he's walked more guys than he's struck out. -- Brent Vorhees probably has to be their 4th starter in any type of tournament situation.
3.) Who's not that good? CUA or Tyler? And if CUA, why would you want them to fall into a funk?

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 10, 2008, 10:13:58 PM
Having been there before you know that all good ball players have a 'cocky' mindset that typically borders on arrogance, but you have to be that way in a game that you fail at 70% of the time and are still considered successful.



well said JSG.  Some speak with actions and some speak with words....regardless only the mentally tough can deal with the failure this game brings.  And finishing with a higher career slugging pct than D White, I can honestly say that it was fun having him hit in front of me...TLU normally pitched around him to get to me, I dont know why, but they did...I remember when I could hear D White slap Krog's helmet on a pickoff attempt, those were fun times...

Dwhite, Josh Lee, John Krog, and I were all invited to the same supplimental draft following the 2004 season and we all had a good time telling stories...

Kevin Webster....now i do believe he made some real life enemies with his classy attitiude on the field!  but man he could sure hit a baseball with some authority....spitting image of Hack Wilson!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 10, 2008, 10:29:27 PM
McM over UT-Tyler boxscore (http://athletics.mcm.edu/sports/baseball/2008/mcmutt.htm)

Seven innings from Dakota Smith for McMurry.

McMurry had the series with HSU on Sat (DH) and Sunday.

That has to be a great confidence booster for Smith!

I was advised earlier this season that McMurry had arms...maybe McM just began to find them! 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 10, 2008, 10:31:31 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on March 10, 2008, 10:12:09 PM
Quote from: HAMBONE on March 10, 2008, 09:13:36 PM

given the fact that they only played a double header against Austin College last weekend and McMurry played a 3 game series against HSU on sat and sunday, it proves that UT-Tyler is not only beatable but also proves the Indians may have a 4th starter now giving their rotation the support they will need in the conference tournament and regional...provided they make it out of the ASC West.  

FYI their other loss was to CTX...they arent that good.  I respect their ability but I am hoping they fall into a funk this weekend they cant get out of...

1.) The UT Tyler vs. Austin College series was actually 3 games.
2.) I mentioned previously, but I don't know that Smith did anything to solidify himself as a 4th starter. He did give up 6 ER and 15 hits. Opponents are hitting .378 against him and he's walked more guys than he's struck out. -- Brent Vorhees probably has to be their 4th starter in any type of tournament situation.
3.) Who's not that good? CUA or Tyler? And if CUA, why would you want them to fall into a funk?

JSG

well giving up 6 ER and 15 hits, opponents hitting .378 and walking more guys than he's struck out, confirms my point earlier that the lack of pitching means teams will have to out hit and out score their own pitching....i know it sounds logical that you have to score more than you give up, but im leaning more towards the fact that I have seen several box scores with 10-20 hits making this season and absolute slug fest in regards to all the runs being scored against the contenders.

I meant that Tyler was not that good.  They are a good team, but when I said they are not that good, I meant they weren't unbeatable like they think they are.  And by falling into a funk, I meant that I hope a few teams in abilene this week will provide them a losing streak they can tget out of....we all know that wont happen, this this weeks competition will show their true colors as they are playing 9 games in 7 days and the last 3 are conference games...i feel some tendonitis in the near forecast.

congrats to the indians for their win today.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 10, 2008, 10:35:01 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 10, 2008, 10:29:27 PM
McM over UT-Tyler boxscore (http://athletics.mcm.edu/sports/baseball/2008/mcmutt.htm)

Seven innings from Dakota Smith for McMurry.

McMurry had the series with HSU on Sat (DH) and Sunday.

That has to be a great confidence booster for Smith!

I was advised earlier this season that McMurry had arms...maybe McM just began to find them! 

About a page behind me Ralph! ;-)

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 10, 2008, 10:41:05 PM
Quote from: HAMBONE on March 10, 2008, 10:31:31 PM

well giving up 6 ER and 15 hits, opponents hitting .378 and walking more guys than he's struck out, confirms my point earlier that the lack of pitching means teams will have to out hit and out score their own pitching....i know it sounds logical that you have to score more than you give up, but im leaning more towards the fact that I have seen several box scores with 10-20 hits making this season and absolute slug fest in regards to all the runs being scored against the contenders.

I think it's a lot easier for a hitter to fall through the cracks than a solid pitcher (in addition to the fact you need more arms on a roster than any particular position) so I think you'll continue to see the ASC have a lack of pitching in comparison to the amount of solid hitters in the future.

That said. I think you could make a case for McMurry having a pretty decent staff.

Curry, Toombs and Johnston are probably the best staff of any in the West. Kyle Martin is better and significantly more capable than what his numbers indicate. Vorhees, Wood, and McBride have all been pretty solid in limited action so that suggests that they have a little more depth than other West teams too.

As I mentioned a few pages back, the jury is still out on UMHB though.

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 10, 2008, 10:42:00 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on March 10, 2008, 10:35:01 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 10, 2008, 10:29:27 PM
McM over UT-Tyler boxscore (http://athletics.mcm.edu/sports/baseball/2008/mcmutt.htm)

Seven innings from Dakota Smith for McMurry.

McMurry had the series with HSU on Sat (DH) and Sunday.

That has to be a great confidence booster for Smith!

I was advised earlier this season that McMurry had arms...maybe McM just began to find them! 

About a page behind me Ralph! ;-)

JSG

Ralph must have got lost in all of our posts today.  me and Bman3 are tired of being on the Junior varsity.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: infielddad on March 10, 2008, 11:03:07 PM
Quote from: HAMBONE on March 10, 2008, 09:46:04 PM
Quote from: infielddad on March 10, 2008, 09:17:22 PM
Quote from: Bman3 on March 10, 2008, 09:07:09 PM
i think if you put trinity or southwestern in the ASC, they would be just an average team fighting for the last playoff spot. JSG, does either team have any stand out players and how do you think they would do in the ASC.

Bman,
The ASC isn't the big 12. 
Other than last year, Trinity has had as much talent as any  ASC team on a year to year basis since 2001. If Coach Meccage had not passed away during the 2002 Regional, that Saturday morning game could have ended up 5-2 Trinity instead of CTX.  But he did and our guys were in no position to play.  CTX played very well the entire 2002 Regional and deserved it's crown.
With Coach Mallon's departure, Southwestern hasn't been at the same level.  That guy got the very, very best out of every player.

Nope the ASC is not the Big 12 and i dont think Bman3 ever made any impression that he thought it was.  he only commented that if you put southwestern or trinity in the ASC that they would be an average team fighting for a playoff spot.  I agree completely with this suggestion.  The ASC has 15 teams and even the bottom feeders have 1 pticher and 1 hitter that if are helped by the other 7 can give a team a loss.  its a very competitive conference that is much tougher to get out of than the SCAC...and visa versa if threw a few ASC teams into the SCAC, which I actually think they should do to spread out the talent.

on another note...my heart goes out to Trinity Club for having to play us in the Championship game of the regional the same day one of their coaches died....success in this game of failure is influenced so much by your mental approach and I know their minds and hearts were somewhere else that day...but keep in mind we were undefeated and if Trinity had beaten us the first game 5-2, they would have had to beat us again right after that.....the only team that beat us in a doubleheader in 2002 was UT and they won the Big 12 and the National Championship...


Not exactly.
If Trinity had won the morning game 5-2, CTX would have played Pitzer in the night game, used up pitchers, played against Cortez and Turner and come back the next morning to play Trinity and need to beat them 2.
But that didn't happen and we all lost one of the great baseball coaches in Coach Meccage.
BTW, Trinity played CTX, TLU, McMurry, HSU and all the rest of the ASC they could.  CTX doesn't get any better by running down good teams and good players and living in the past.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 11, 2008, 12:00:55 AM
Quote from: infielddad on March 10, 2008, 11:03:07 PM
Quote from: HAMBONE on March 10, 2008, 09:46:04 PM
Quote from: infielddad on March 10, 2008, 09:17:22 PM
Quote from: Bman3 on March 10, 2008, 09:07:09 PM
i think if you put trinity or southwestern in the ASC, they would be just an average team fighting for the last playoff spot. JSG, does either team have any stand out players and how do you think they would do in the ASC.

Bman,
The ASC isn't the big 12. 
Other than last year, Trinity has had as much talent as any  ASC team on a year to year basis since 2001. If Coach Meccage had not passed away during the 2002 Regional, that Saturday morning game could have ended up 5-2 Trinity instead of CTX.  But he did and our guys were in no position to play.  CTX played very well the entire 2002 Regional and deserved it's crown.
With Coach Mallon's departure, Southwestern hasn't been at the same level.  That guy got the very, very best out of every player.

Nope the ASC is not the Big 12 and i dont think Bman3 ever made any impression that he thought it was.  he only commented that if you put southwestern or trinity in the ASC that they would be an average team fighting for a playoff spot.  I agree completely with this suggestion.  The ASC has 15 teams and even the bottom feeders have 1 pticher and 1 hitter that if are helped by the other 7 can give a team a loss.  its a very competitive conference that is much tougher to get out of than the SCAC...and visa versa if threw a few ASC teams into the SCAC, which I actually think they should do to spread out the talent.

on another note...my heart goes out to Trinity Club for having to play us in the Championship game of the regional the same day one of their coaches died....success in this game of failure is influenced so much by your mental approach and I know their minds and hearts were somewhere else that day...but keep in mind we were undefeated and if Trinity had beaten us the first game 5-2, they would have had to beat us again right after that.....the only team that beat us in a doubleheader in 2002 was UT and they won the Big 12 and the National Championship...


Not exactly.
If Trinity had won the morning game 5-2, CTX would have played Pitzer in the night game, used up pitchers, played against Cortez and Turner and come back the next morning to play Trinity and need to beat them 2.
But that didn't happen and we all lost one of the great baseball coaches in Coach Meccage.
BTW, Trinity played CTX, TLU, McMurry, HSU and all the rest of the ASC they could.  CTX doesn't get any better by running down good teams and good players and living in the past.

What exactly does running down good teams and good players an living in the past mean? Little thrown off by that, or elaborate a little.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 11, 2008, 12:50:21 AM
Not exactly.
If Trinity had won the morning game 5-2, CTX would have played Pitzer in the night game, used up pitchers, played against Cortez and Turner and come back the next morning to play Trinity and need to beat them 2.
But that didn't happen and we all lost one of the great baseball coaches in Coach Meccage.
BTW, Trinity played CTX, TLU, McMurry, HSU and all the rest of the ASC they could.  CTX doesn't get any better by running down good teams and good players and living in the past.
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yes please elaborate on what you mean by CTX doesn't get any better by running down good teams and good players and living in the past.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2008, 12:52:11 AM
JSG, you mentioned mediocrity in the pitching staffs.  The first weekend in the West saw every series going 2-1/1-2 except the 1-0 UMHB win over SRSU's Jaime Rojo.

The West has had a bunch of 3-0 sweeps over the bottom of the division.  In the previous seasons, the top would go 9-0 over the bottom of the division.  That may not be the case this year.

We may not have the pitching to win a couple of games in the Regionals, but the ASC-West will be wild!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on March 11, 2008, 02:00:43 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2008, 12:52:11 AM
JSG, you mentioned mediocrity in the pitching staffs.  The first weekend in the West saw every series going 2-1/1-2 except the 1-0 UMHB win over SRSU's Jaime Rojo.

The West has had a bunch of 3-0 sweeps over the bottom of the division.  In the previous seasons, the top would go 9-0 over the bottom of the division.  That may not be the case this year.

We may not have the pitching to win a couple of games in the Regionals, but the ASC-West will be wild!

Ralph, were you at the Marietta - Hardin-Simmons game?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2008, 02:03:35 AM
Quote from: Spence on March 11, 2008, 02:00:43 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2008, 12:52:11 AM
JSG, you mentioned mediocrity in the pitching staffs.  The first weekend in the West saw every series going 2-1/1-2 except the 1-0 UMHB win over SRSU's Jaime Rojo.

The West has had a bunch of 3-0 sweeps over the bottom of the division.  In the previous seasons, the top would go 9-0 over the bottom of the division.  That may not be the case this year.

We may not have the pitching to win a couple of games in the Regionals, but the ASC-West will be wild!

Ralph, were you at the Marietta - Hardin-Simmons game?
No

Marietta 8 HSU 2 (http://hsuathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/recaps/031008aaa.html)

McMurry and HSU played their 3-game series Sat and Sun.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on March 11, 2008, 02:07:11 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2008, 02:03:35 AM
Quote from: Spence on March 11, 2008, 02:00:43 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2008, 12:52:11 AM
JSG, you mentioned mediocrity in the pitching staffs.  The first weekend in the West saw every series going 2-1/1-2 except the 1-0 UMHB win over SRSU's Jaime Rojo.

The West has had a bunch of 3-0 sweeps over the bottom of the division.  In the previous seasons, the top would go 9-0 over the bottom of the division.  That may not be the case this year.

We may not have the pitching to win a couple of games in the Regionals, but the ASC-West will be wild!

Ralph, were you at the Marietta - Hardin-Simmons game?
No

Marietta 8 HSU 2 (http://hsuathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/recaps/031008aaa.html)

McMurry and HSU played their 3-game series Sat and Sun.

Yah I listened to it...just wondered how it was for someone with eyeballs.

Tomorrow should be a very interesting day.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2008, 08:50:59 AM
Quote from: Spence on March 11, 2008, 02:07:11 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2008, 02:03:35 AM
Quote from: Spence on March 11, 2008, 02:00:43 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2008, 12:52:11 AM
JSG, you mentioned mediocrity in the pitching staffs.  The first weekend in the West saw every series going 2-1/1-2 except the 1-0 UMHB win over SRSU's Jaime Rojo.
The West has had a bunch of 3-0 sweeps over the bottom of the division.  In the previous seasons, the top would go 9-0 over the bottom of the division.  That may not be the case this year.
We may not have the pitching to win a couple of games in the Regionals, but the ASC-West will be wild!
Ralph, were you at the Marietta - Hardin-Simmons game?
No
Marietta 8 HSU 2 (http://hsuathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/recaps/031008aaa.html)
McMurry and HSU played their 3-game series Sat and Sun.
Yah I listened to it...just wondered how it was for someone with eyeballs.
Tomorrow should be a very interesting day.
HSU season stats (http://hsuathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/stats/2007-2008/teamcume.html).

Copeland spent three years, including a redshirt year, at Northwestern State (LA), D-I Southland Conference.

I don't know who McMurry ill throw vs. Marietta.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 11, 2008, 12:24:44 PM
i am glad to see marietta make their way down to us. we all know that they have been a powerhouse in the past, and it would be nice to see a couple ASC teams hand them some lossses. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 11, 2008, 12:39:49 PM
Bman3 looks like your ASC conference record was just tied...After all records were meant to be broken.  But you did it twice, so i guess you still have the upper-hand.

here is the link to the ASC article about Curt Dixon's 14 strikeout performance...his pitch count must have been high as he only went 5 2/3 innings....

http://www.ascsports.org/News/baseball/2008/3/11/ASC_BB_NATIONAHONOR1.asp?path=baseball (http://www.ascsports.org/News/baseball/2008/3/11/ASC_BB_NATIONAHONOR1.asp?path=baseball)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 11, 2008, 12:48:11 PM
infielddad your son was a very good hitter and put up some ridiculous numbers! i am sure that i pitched and played against him, but i dont remember him in particular. if you look at the numbers, in 2002 Trinity had one of the best pitching staffs in the nation.

our hearts as individuals and as a team were out for coach meccage that morning. we could feel something was wrong as soon as the players got off the bus. i couldn't imagine playing after something like that happened and take my hat off to the players that did.

pamona pitza was suppose to be the big bad team in the regional, cortez and turner were legit hitters, however their pitching staff was not very good. we faced their #1 who was undefeated at the time and looked no better than an average #2.

hambone's quote earlier will sum this one up. we were not swept in a double header all year except for when we played The University of Texas.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 11, 2008, 12:51:03 PM
has the ozarks ever been this good? its good to see.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 11, 2008, 12:59:49 PM
Just FYI for those of you die hard ASC fans.  here is a link showing some not so recent news, but shows the sportsmanship that goes on outside the chalk lines.  UT-Tyler donated some money to the fund set up by Concordia Players to help the Garrett Williamson and his family.

http://www.ascsports.org/News/baseball/2008/2/23/ASC_UTTYLERDONATE.asp?path=baseball (http://www.ascsports.org/News/baseball/2008/2/23/ASC_UTTYLERDONATE.asp?path=baseball)

JSG, this unfortunate accident to Garrett Williamson possibly takes CTX's missing piece of the puzzle.  Williamson (RHP) was a 2007 NAIA All-American and Transferred into Concordia to play his final season of college baseball and he definately would have had the oppurtunity to play some form of professional baseball...its unfortunate, but it is what it is.  Had he been in the rotation, we might have seen a sweep of Trinity, TLU, and 2 of 3 taken from UT-Tyler...what if, what if, what if .... but certainly noone deserves to go from all-american to a wheel chair...I tip my hat to the williamson family.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 11, 2008, 01:05:38 PM
Quote from: Bman3 on March 11, 2008, 12:51:03 PM
has the ozarks ever been this good? its good to see.


no.  its their highest ranking in program history.  good for them.  the east looks as though its becoming pretty tough to get out of.  It only take 1 good pitcher to shut down a team like UT-Tyler in the 1st round of the asc tourney and put their backs against the wall. 

LC, MC, UO, UTT, and UTD  makes this a 10 team race for 8 spots.  this is interesting and only 1 will get an automatic birth to the Regional @ MCM...GO BIG BLUE
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on March 11, 2008, 01:09:14 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2008, 08:50:59 AM
Quote from: Spence on March 11, 2008, 02:07:11 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2008, 02:03:35 AM
Quote from: Spence on March 11, 2008, 02:00:43 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2008, 12:52:11 AM
JSG, you mentioned mediocrity in the pitching staffs.  The first weekend in the West saw every series going 2-1/1-2 except the 1-0 UMHB win over SRSU's Jaime Rojo.
The West has had a bunch of 3-0 sweeps over the bottom of the division.  In the previous seasons, the top would go 9-0 over the bottom of the division.  That may not be the case this year.
We may not have the pitching to win a couple of games in the Regionals, but the ASC-West will be wild!
Ralph, were you at the Marietta - Hardin-Simmons game?
No
Marietta 8 HSU 2 (http://hsuathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/recaps/031008aaa.html)
McMurry and HSU played their 3-game series Sat and Sun.
Yah I listened to it...just wondered how it was for someone with eyeballs.
Tomorrow should be a very interesting day.
HSU season stats (http://hsuathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/stats/2007-2008/teamcume.html).

Copeland spent three years, including a redshirt year, at Northwestern State (LA), D-I Southland Conference.

I don't know who McMurry ill throw vs. Marietta.

Copeland certainly seemed like he had things in control until the 7th. Maybe stayed with him a little too long considering how little he's thrown.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 11, 2008, 01:23:56 PM
Quote from: Bman3 on March 11, 2008, 12:48:11 PM
infielddad your son was a very good hitter and put up some ridiculous numbers! i am sure that i pitched and played against him, but i dont remember him in particular. if you look at the numbers, in 2002 Trinity had one of the best pitching staffs in the nation.

our hearts as individuals and as a team were out for coach meccage that morning. we could feel something was wrong as soon as the players got off the bus. i couldn't imagine playing after something like that happened and take my hat off to the players that did.

pamona pitza was suppose to be the big bad team in the regional, cortez and turner were legit hitters, however their pitching staff was not very good. we faced their #1 who was undefeated at the time and looked no better than an average #2.

hambone's quote earlier will sum this one up. we were not swept in a double header all year except for when we played The University of Texas.

his son is Jason Armstrong - West Region Player of the Year in 2004 and also first team all-american SS in 2004.  he was one hell of a player and fun to play against...very classy guy.  he always wore a fresh pair all white Franklin batting gloves....Bman3 remember those 390 inning scrimmages we used play agianst Trinity in the Fall with not substitution rules?  The only rule enforced was "dont get hurt"  haha those were some fun times
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 11, 2008, 01:36:18 PM

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Copeland certainly seemed like he had things in control until the 7th. Maybe stayed with him a little too long considering how little he's thrown.
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I agree with that Spence.  Copeland should get the win for giving Marietta a victory.  2 things, HSU is coming off a tough series to MCM, and the sloppy/freezing weather in abilene cannot be helping anyone perform at the highest potential.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: The_CRU_05 on March 11, 2008, 01:44:29 PM
The CRU is going to disasseble that HSU lineup this weekend.  Glad to see they are playing 7 games before we come to town this weekend.  They may be at home but it wont be much of an advantage if all of there arms are being iced down. 

My prediction - The CRU sweeps HSU.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on March 11, 2008, 02:13:19 PM
Quote from: HAMBONE on March 11, 2008, 01:36:18 PM


Copeland certainly seemed like he had things in control until the 7th. Maybe stayed with him a little too long considering how little he's thrown.
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I agree with that Spence.  Copeland should get the win for giving Marietta a victory.  2 things, HSU is coming off a tough series to MCM, and the sloppy/freezing weather in abilene cannot be helping anyone perform at the highest potential.
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I don't know about that...Copeland didn't throw bad...I think they just left him in a little too long.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 11, 2008, 03:21:08 PM
i have a message in my in box and i cant reply to it, it says i dont have permission...do i have to graduate from the junior varsity or donate money to the McMurry Booster club before i am granted access to this?  Any helpful info would be great.  thanks
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: historymajor on March 11, 2008, 06:42:49 PM
Today's Trinity-TLU game was moved to Trinity due to field conditions in Seguin....  check TU's baseball site for audio/video links
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: The_CRU_05 on March 11, 2008, 06:48:25 PM
I dont think anyone follows TLU anymore after their loss to the Little Giants last week.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 11, 2008, 06:56:26 PM
Quote from: The_CRU_05 on March 11, 2008, 06:48:25 PM
I dont think anyone follows TLU anymore after their loss to the Little Giants last week.


Hahahahahahaha......I thought I was the only guy that thought that was funny too.  Ive been told Wabash has a respectable program....its just sounds a pee-wee football team, thats all.  you go get em The_CRU_05 ... you go get em!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 11, 2008, 08:04:03 PM
UT Tyler 12 - Marietta 9 (http://www.marietta.edu/athletics/baseball/statistics/GAME06.HTM)

I know UT Tyler takes on one of the weaker ASC teams in ETBU this year, but I really disagree with starting Booher, throwing Holland, etc. in these midweek games. They can claim that it's a mid-week bullpen that he would've throw in intrasquad, etc. but those guys pitched quite a few innings this weekend and will be expected to throw 7+ again this weekend. ( I know you disagree Spence).

Anyhow Zeigler pitched 3 innings of 1 hit ball and Tyler scored 7 in the bottom of the 6th to get within one run and then took the lead with 4 more in the bottom of the 8th for the win. Joe Pitrone was the losing pitcher for Marietta.

Merryman was 3-5 w/ 3 runs and 1 RBI for Marietta.

Harding was 2-5 w/ a HR, 2 runs and 6 RBIs.
Towns was 2-5, w/ a HR, 1 run and 3 RBIs.

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 11, 2008, 08:10:29 PM
McMurry defeated Southwestern 17-7 (http://athletics.mcm.edu/Pdfs/baseball/2008/3/11/mcmsw2.htm)

McMurry's Aaron Wood threw 7 innings, gave up 6 hits, and 1 ER.
(I think he's a lot more viable number 4-5 than Smith - I still contend that McMurry is the only ASC West team with a legitimately deep pitching staff).

Southwestern's Freeman & Wooten combined for 5.1 and gave up 15 ER for Southwestern.

McMurry:
Derek David was 2-3 w/ a HR, 4 runs, 1 RBI
Brent Vorhees was 3-4, 4 runs, 2 RBI
Stephen Derrick was 3-6, 1 run, 3 RBI

(I guess Franco might be hurt as this is the 2nd consecutive game he hasn't played.)

In other news, Hardin Simmons leads UT Tyler 7-3 in the top of the 7th.

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 11, 2008, 08:12:07 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on March 11, 2008, 08:10:29 PM

In other news, Hardin Simmons leads UT Tyler 7-3 in the top of the 7th.


Just during the time it took me to write that last post UT Tyler took an 8-7 lead courtesy of a grand slam from Chad Deleidan. I guess good teams find a way to win games like this eh?

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 11, 2008, 08:25:03 PM
are their live stats for these games?  ive looked but didnt see a link.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 11, 2008, 08:33:51 PM
Quote from: HAMBONE on March 11, 2008, 08:25:03 PM
are their live stats for these games?  ive looked but didnt see a link.

You can find the gametracker for the Hardin Simmons vs. UT Tyler game here (It's just to the right of their schedule):
http://hsuathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/sched/hsim-m-basebl-sched.html

Here's the livestats link for the TU vs. TLU game.

http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/Baseball/livestats/xlive.htm

Trinity should hand it to them. They're throwing their current #1 against TLU's #4 (at best). I guess Trinity figures they'll dominate Hendrix this weekend so they might as well ensure themselves an important in-region game.

I THINK the Marietta vs. UT Dallas game can be found on the Marietta radio located on their website.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mideastfan on March 11, 2008, 08:49:24 PM
UT-Tyler gave up 2 runs in the 8th and lost 9-8 to Hardin Simmons. 

Couple of good games today for the Patriots, but they need to fix that defense if they want to make a run late into the season.  10 errors on the day.

They can definitely swing it, no doubt about that though!!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mideastfan on March 11, 2008, 08:53:20 PM
UT-Dallas vs Marietta game can be heard online (Marietta radio guys; they are fun to listen to).

http://www.wmoa1490.com/
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 11, 2008, 08:58:30 PM
Hardin Simmons 9 - UT Tyler 8

Hardin Simmons was up 7-3, but Tyler scored 5 in the top of the 7th.

Ryan Stepp & Wayne Pimpton hit back to back shots in the bottom of the 8th to regain the lead and then Josh Alcorn came on for the save.

Barton and Alcorn are phenomenal at the backend of that HSU bullpen.

Sam Walker and Nathan Copeland both walked entirely too many guys this week, but HSU has to be encouraged that both threw pretty decent against two solid teams. I think most would agree the Cowboys are hitting the ball better than most anticipated. Gage is absolutely killing it and Armstrong, Berlin and Weeks have all been significant contributers helping Stepp and Berlin.

I'm anxious to see how their series with UMHB turns out this weekend.

Since a box score probably won't be up for awhile.

HSU:
Stepp 1-3, 3 RBI
Pimpton 2-4, 1 RBI
Gage 2-4, 1 RBI
Post 2-3, 2 runs

Tyler:
Harding 2-4, 1 RBI
Towns 2-5, 2 RBI
Hood 3-5, 1 RBI
Deleidan 1-5, 4 RBI (Grandslam)

WP:
Kyle Barton 1 IP, 0 ER (yet to allow an ER in 19.2 IP this year)
Sam Walker 6 IP, 4 H, 3 ER, 6 BB, 1 K

Save: Alcorn 1 IP, 1 H, 0 ER, 2 Ks

LP:
Andrew Splawn 2.2 IP, 4 H, 2 ER (These were his 1st innings of the year)


JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 11, 2008, 09:02:08 PM
Quote from: mideastfan on March 11, 2008, 08:49:24 PM
UT-Tyler gave up 2 runs in the 8th and lost 9-8 to Hardin Simmons. 

Couple of good games today for the Patriots, but they need to fix that defense if they want to make a run late into the season.  10 errors on the day.

They can definitely swing it, no doubt about that though!!

They only made 3 errors last weekend, and 3 the weekend prior to that (1 each game coincidentally).  I think it came down to the fact that they rely so much on their 3 weekend starters (I mean they did pitch two of them in the Marietta game) that the defense just isn't is comfortable (or don't think they can necessarily win) behind some of the guys that haven't thrown that much.  Those were Splawn's first innings of the entire year and they're 17-18 games in.

How's the Marietta vs. UT Dallas game going?

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mideastfan on March 11, 2008, 09:10:07 PM
it's a late start and they are only in the bottom of the first...Marietta leads 2-0 and has a few runners still on with 2 outs.

http://www.wmoa1490.com/
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mideastfan on March 11, 2008, 09:13:47 PM
Quote from: mideastfan on March 11, 2008, 09:10:07 PM
it's a late start and they are only in the bottom of the first...Marietta leads 2-0 and has a few runners still on with 2 outs.

http://www.wmoa1490.com/

Edit that...Merryman with a 3-run bomb....Marietta leads 5-0 still in the the first.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 11, 2008, 10:59:49 PM
Texas Lutheran 9 - Trinity 8

This one really surprised me, because I honestly thought Trinity would win with Bronson on the bump. His line prior to the game was:

2-1, 1.52 ERA, 27Ks in 23.2 IP and .225 against

Down 7-3 after the first four, TLU fought back 1 in the 5th, 1 in the 7th, and 3 in the 8th.

WP: Travis Staggs 5 IP, 3 H, 1 ER, 3 BB, 4 K
SV: Robert Conley 1 IP, 0 H, 0 ER, 2 K
LP: Evan Bronson 7 IP, 9 H, 6 ER, 2 BB, 11 K

For TLU:
Kyle Harvey 3-5, w 1 RBI
Andrew Femath 2-5, 2 runs
Joseph Brade 1-4, 2 RBI
Jason Foley 1-2, 2 BB
Chris Siniff 2-4, 1 run

For TU:
Stosh Hoover 3-4, 2 runs, 1 2B, 1 3B
Evan Jones 2-3, HR, 3 RBI
Kyle Felix 1-4, HR, 2 RBI

In other ASC news:

UT Dallas is up 9-7 over Marietta in the 6th inning...

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 12, 2008, 02:37:05 PM
Mad props to UT-Dallas and UT-Tyler for coming back against Marietta. Those wins really help the ASC as a whole. Now we need the Indians to leave No Doubt. I know how difficult it is to play tough games between Big Conference series', but lets send em packing beat up and have them wondering how good they really are!

I love seeing all the Etta fans on the national board complaining that they dropped out of the rankings, and that their schedule is "sooo hard." Welcome to the ASC!!! They are losing against most of their good opponents and now are going to run back to ohio with their tail between their legs and beat up on all the teams in their sorry conference.

I am generally not a McMurray Indians fan b/c of what they did to my team and I our freshman year. however, today.........and this weekend i am their biggest supporter!!! GO INDIANS!!!!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: old scot on March 12, 2008, 03:02:17 PM
Bman, if you follow the posts, Spence is the only Etta fan singing the blues about the polls and tough schedule.  As been stated before, its more important how you finish the season than start one.

Marietta's tradition speaks for itself. Maybe they don't have the horses this year but, I would not start bashing them after 6 or 7 games. Year in and year out, they seem to find their groove as the season progresses.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 12, 2008, 04:37:40 PM
I have a ton of respect for the Marietta program. Any good team will always have a target on them. I just think that it is funny to already see their fans in a frenzy. I also enjoy seeing my former Conference beat up on them. To give them the benefit of the doubt, we have had the opportunity to play outside more than they have this year.

McMurry just left the bases loaded in the 1st. That might come back to haunt them.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mideastfan2 on March 12, 2008, 05:26:54 PM
Quote from: Bman3 on March 12, 2008, 04:37:40 PM
I have a ton of respect for the Marietta program. Any good team will always have a target on them. I just think that it is funny to already see their fans in a frenzy. I also enjoy seeing my former Conference beat up on them. To give them the benefit of the doubt, we have had the opportunity to play outside more than they have this year.

McMurry just left the bases loaded in the 1st. That might come back to haunt them.

I'm glad you have respect for our program...I'm pretty sure we've earned it over the years.  I't's tough to see the guys struggle early this year, but I'm sure they'll come around.  It would be great to play the teams in the ASC in late April or May when all the teams have had a chance to figure out who they are and form an identity...those would be some great match-ups.  Not sure if the outcomes would change, but it'd still be fun.

On a side note......the last time a Marietta team was under .500 after 10 games into the season was the 1999 squad that started 4-6 I believe.  We (yeah, I was lucky to be a part of that team), went on to win the next 40 in a row and end up at the World Series.  Anything can happen when you have a little talent and the right coaching.

Good luck to the ASC teams this season, your league tournament will be a fun one to follow!!

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 12, 2008, 06:02:25 PM
40 in a row!!! that must be a record.

Marietta is ahead 4-1 going into the 6th. They have been ahead in every game I believe, now lets see if they can hold it. McMurry will probably stat pulling some of their players pretty soon.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2008, 06:26:08 PM
Quote from: Bman3 on March 12, 2008, 06:02:25 PM
40 in a row!!! that must be a record.

Marietta is ahead 4-1 going into the 6th. They have been ahead in every game I believe, now lets see if they can hold it. McMurry will probably stat pulling some of their players pretty soon.
Bottom of the 6th, 2 outs, Derek David hits a 3-run HR to put McMurry ahead 5-4.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 12, 2008, 06:42:55 PM
chill out ASC...all these comeback wins against marietta are gone produce some swollen heads!  I guess we'll have to leave it up to CTX to deflate those egos!  Marietta will be much better because of this trip....we all know what your stomach feels like when you feel the momentum swinging and you cant stop the bleeding...they undoubtably will make it a point to learn how to close the door during the remainder of the season....great wins for the asc....great growing pains for the ohio club....great baseball in abilene this week!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 12, 2008, 07:29:13 PM
i left and it was 4-1, i came back and marietta was apparently filling buckets and losing 14-4. Great job INDIANS!!!!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on March 12, 2008, 10:01:13 PM
Quote from: Bman3 on March 12, 2008, 07:29:13 PM
i left and it was 4-1, i came back and marietta was apparently filling buckets and losing 14-4. Great job INDIANS!!!!

Who are these Indians?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on March 12, 2008, 10:10:12 PM
I really want to say some things to bman but I'm not going to because I just don't even want to think about this trip anymore.

Hopefully the coaching staff will be able to perform something like the amazing job they did last year and we'll end up in the Series like we do 2 out of every 3 years. Still a long way to go.

Good luck if and when any of the ASC teams make it to Appleton this year.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2008, 10:16:29 PM
Quote from: Spence on March 12, 2008, 10:10:12 PM
I really want to say some things to bman but I'm not going to because I just don't even want to think about this trip anymore.

Hopefully the coaching staff will be able to perform something like the amazing job they did last year and we'll end up in the Series like we do 2 out of every 3 years. Still a long way to go.

Good luck if and when any of the ASC teams make it to Appleton this year.
Spence, thanks for Marietta's coming down again this year.

The quality of the field at Driggers is one factor in favor.

I have mentioned the value of this inter-region series.  Marietta should bounce back nicely.  I just hope these games portend of a stronger pitching staff this year.*

*for McMurry.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on March 12, 2008, 10:27:56 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2008, 10:16:29 PM
Quote from: Spence on March 12, 2008, 10:10:12 PM
I really want to say some things to bman but I'm not going to because I just don't even want to think about this trip anymore.

Hopefully the coaching staff will be able to perform something like the amazing job they did last year and we'll end up in the Series like we do 2 out of every 3 years. Still a long way to go.

Good luck if and when any of the ASC teams make it to Appleton this year.
Spence, thanks for Marietta's coming down again this year.

The quality of the field at Driggers is one factor in favor.

I have mentioned the value of this inter-region series.  Marietta should bounce back nicely.  I just hope these games portend of a stronger pitching staff this year.

If it's a hot weekend during the conference tournament, y'all are gonna need an extra supply of baseballs!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mideastfan2 on March 12, 2008, 11:47:20 PM
Quote from: Bman3 on March 12, 2008, 06:02:25 PM
40 in a row!!! that must be a record.

Marietta is ahead 4-1 going into the 6th. They have been ahead in every game I believe, now lets see if they can hold it. McMurry will probably stat pulling some of their players pretty soon.

yep, it was a record, and I believe UT-Tyler may have tied it last year (they won a few to end the 2006 season, then won 37 or so in a row last year), but I'm not sure if they're in the record books or not b/c they were still provisionsal.

Regardless, this year's team just can't find a way to hold a lead...at first it was frustrating, now it's almost laughable from a fan's perspective.  I just hope it doens't become the norm!

I agree with some other posters, that this trip will help our guys play better up north.  The losses will hurt (especially the way they let them slip away), and that should motivate them the rest of the year....we'll see.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 13, 2008, 01:30:04 AM
As long as Ohio Knows everything is bigger and better in Texas....please go tell all your friends.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 13, 2008, 03:25:59 AM
FYI for any of you die hard fans that wanna watch a D3 matchup @ a sweet yard...CTX takes on southwestern @ the Dell Diamond next Monday.  Here is the link.



http://athletics.concordia.edu/article.cfm?newsID=988 (http://athletics.concordia.edu/article.cfm?newsID=988)


Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 13, 2008, 03:39:17 AM
Im not completely convinced this UMHB team is as good as their record says they are (if you havent noticed from past posts)....But as if ranking them nationally wasnt enough to make them feel good about themselves the ASC has recognized Marcuz Volz and R.B. Garza as hitter and Pitcher of the week....I mean I am glad they are having a successful season and I want all those kids to have a great time and have success....but SRSU is 3-14 on the season, those nationaly ranked CRU should have put the beat down on the Lobos....this is a little biased, but I think the ASC should have chosen Justin Beasley (CTX) as west hitter of the week for his performance against TLU during the opening weekend of conference play.....I mean it was the ASC that picked the Bulldogs to win the West division....shouldnt such an upset and an outcome that was directly affected by a FRESHMAN'S performance angainst their own CHOSEN team deserve some Kudos?  just a thought.  I understand they are trying to spread the wealth and give credit where credit is do, but i wouldnt doubt that every team will have a player have a career day against the lobos this season.  here is the link.

HITTERS: Concordia Texas 2B Justin Beasley went 6-for-8 with two homers in two wins against Texas Lutheran. . . .  (//http://HITTERS:%20Concordia%20Texas%202B%20Justin%20Beasley%20went%206-for-8%20with%20two%20homers%20in%20two%20wins%20against%20Texas%20Lutheran.%20.%20.%20.)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 13, 2008, 03:41:43 AM
sorry here is the link. 

ASC POTW (http://www.ascsports.org/News/baseball/2008/3/11/ASC_BASE_POTWs08.asp?path=baseball)


Modified for formatting -- Thanks for the link.  Ralph Turner
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on March 13, 2008, 08:31:33 AM
Quote from: HAMBONE on March 13, 2008, 01:30:04 AM
As long as Ohio Knows everything is bigger and better in Texas....please go tell all your friends.

Come up and play us at Schaly Stadium in late April. Or Appleton in late May. Might be a different ballgame, maybe not.

Congrats to the teams that played well and beat us, but some of you seem like you're getting a little cocky for a conference and state that has a total of 0 Series wins.

Everything's bigger and better in Texas, except the size of the trophy case you'd need to hold all the championships and runners up plaques.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 13, 2008, 10:57:51 AM
Quote from: Spence on March 13, 2008, 08:31:33 AM
Quote from: HAMBONE on March 13, 2008, 01:30:04 AM
As long as Ohio Knows everything is bigger and better in Texas....please go tell all your friends.

Come up and play us at Schaly Stadium in late April. Or Appleton in late May. Might be a different ballgame, maybe not.

Congrats to the teams that played well and beat us, but some of you seem like you're getting a little cocky for a conference and state that has a total of 0 Series wins.

Everything's bigger and better in Texas, except the size of the trophy case you'd need to hold all the championships and runners up plaques.


You knew it was coming HAMBONE, I'm surprised he didn't use it earlier. I would love to hear your rebuttle to that one!

I would love to play those, year in and year out good teams from the North and Northeast later in the year. I think the games would be much more competitive, not saying that the Marietta games were not competitive, but catching those types of teams later in the year would make a very good game. I doubt that will happen just b/c of conference play and all. I think if some of OUR teams would go up there early in the year and play, the colder weather should equal the play out as well. I know that as a player i hated playing and pitching in the cold, it is something Texas players are not as use to.

Good luck to Marietta and we look forward to seeing them bounce back and making the tourney.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 13, 2008, 12:51:22 PM
What time is the game against Concordia and Southwestern at the Dell Diamond in Round Rock. Hope a decent crowd will show up.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseballfan24 on March 13, 2008, 12:57:24 PM
chill out ASC...all these comeback wins against marietta are gone produce some swollen heads!  I guess we'll have to leave it up to CTX to deflate those egos!  [/quote]

Hambone,

There are certainly more quotes than this one where you emphatically support your beloved Tornadoes.  That is wonderful and fantastic that you love your school so much.  However, I don't see how it is necessary that you constantly belittle other programs to make yours appear the greatest.  Your so extremely biased that you can barely see it.  Even when you tried to compliment HPU you still insulted them.  I have noticed that you constantly try to put down TLU as well.  I don't recall anyone insulting Concordia last year when they did not make the playoffs.  I feel it is time to take you down a peg or two.

I did some research on the ASC website.  It appears that TLU has won the ASC west 6 out of 7 years that they have been in the ASC.  They have won the conference 3 times in a row (we all know that), and previous to this weekend had beaten your beloved Tornadoes nine times in a row.  Now we all know that your team was the only team in ASC history to make it to the World Series.  Congratulations that is an impressive feat.  I don't see you ever mentioning that you did not even beat TLU that season.  TLU won the series and they won the west.  Concordia was not even the best team in the conference that year.  You played in a regional in Texas and played Trinity (the best team that year) after their tragic event.  I am not discrediting the fact that you won so don't over react.  I am merely tired of you constantly putting down other teams as if Concordia has done something lately.  

Now all the facts are out there.  That 2002 team was good.  That is true and it can't be argued.  They had talent.  Now can you simply support your team without having to tear down other universities' playing abilities.  
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 13, 2008, 01:00:45 PM
First pitch is at 2pm. I'd be there...except I work a night shift from 4-midnight.

On another note, here are the ASC teams ranked by defensive efficiency, with last year's final number afterward (except for HPU and Schreiner...don't remember why I didn't have those...)

1. Texas-Tyler .693 (.698)
2. Mary Hardin-Baylor .693 (.664)
3. Hardin-Simmons .678 (.634)
4. LeTourneau .675 (.644)
5. Ozarks .675 (.674)
6. Texas-Dallas .673 (.655)
7. Concordia-Texas .664 (.667)
8. Mississippi College .659 (.643)
9. McMurry .650 (.646)
10. Howard Payne .636 (N/A)
11. Texas Lutheran .636 (.672)
12. Sul Ross State .629 (.607)
13. East Texas Baptist .629 (.640)
14. Schreiner .607 (N/A)
15. Louisiana College .607 (.648)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseballfan24 on March 13, 2008, 01:01:20 PM
quote author=HAMBONE link=topic=5123.msg889926#msg889926 date=1205361197]
thats a big ole park out in the middle of nowhere, anything could happen.  If HPU racks up another 12 errors and kicks it around, there shouldnt be any problem.  they have a new, very young, agressive head coach....but their seasoned assisitant coach ill probably offset any bad decision he tries to make....HPU has had some scrappy teams in the past that were able to make teams play down to their level and giving them the upper hand.  All CTX has to do to come away with the result they want is pitch, play defense, get some timely hitting from their 3-4-5 holes, and play the game one pitch at a time.  Go Nados!
[/quote]

Here is the quote about HPU.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 13, 2008, 02:06:32 PM
Thought I'd follow the defense numbers with a list of the top 10 pitchers in the ASC so far according to DICE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_independent_pitching_statistics). The point here is to evaluate pitchers separately from the defense behind them, so the formula only includes walks, strikeouts, home runs, and hit batters, since those results derive solely from the interaction of the pitcher and the batter. It does not adjust for park effects, the quality of the opposition, or for groundball/flyball tendencies. All that said, here are the top 10 pitchers, as well as the top pitchers from schools which did not have a player in the top 10.

1. B. Ziegler, UTT - 1.41 (17.0 IP)
2. C. Dixon, UO - 1.68 (22.2 IP)
3. B. Holland, UTT - 1.69 (33.2 IP)
4. R. Garza, UMHB - 1.96 (26.0 IP)
5. K. Barton, HSU - 2.39 (19.2 IP)
6. S. Jutze, LC - 2.45 (11.0 IP)
7. T. Koch, UO - 2.65 (25.2 IP)
8. T. Williams, MC - 2.70 (23.2 IP)
9. C. Curry, MCM - 2.79 (24.0 IP)
10. R. Ortega, SRSU - 2.84 (12.2 IP)
11. M. Cox, UTD - 3.00 (33.0 IP)
13. S. Szkotak, CTX - 3.09 (32.1 IP)
20. L. Nelson, HPU - 3.58 (17.1 IP)
25. K. Jones, SU - 3.87 (27.2 IP)
30. L. Hull, TLU - 4.13 (30.0 IP)
31. T. Stagner, ETBU - 4.22 (24.2 IP)
44. E. Hurta, LETU - 5.36 (25.0 IP)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spence on March 13, 2008, 02:41:42 PM
Quote from: Bman3 on March 13, 2008, 10:57:51 AM
Quote from: Spence on March 13, 2008, 08:31:33 AM
Quote from: HAMBONE on March 13, 2008, 01:30:04 AM
As long as Ohio Knows everything is bigger and better in Texas....please go tell all your friends.

Come up and play us at Schaly Stadium in late April. Or Appleton in late May. Might be a different ballgame, maybe not.

Congrats to the teams that played well and beat us, but some of you seem like you're getting a little cocky for a conference and state that has a total of 0 Series wins.

Everything's bigger and better in Texas, except the size of the trophy case you'd need to hold all the championships and runners up plaques.


You knew it was coming HAMBONE, I'm surprised he didn't use it earlier. I would love to hear your rebuttle to that one!

I would love to play those, year in and year out good teams from the North and Northeast later in the year. I think the games would be much more competitive, not saying that the Marietta games were not competitive, but catching those types of teams later in the year would make a very good game. I doubt that will happen just b/c of conference play and all. I think if some of OUR teams would go up there early in the year and play, the colder weather should equal the play out as well. I know that as a player i hated playing and pitching in the cold, it is something Texas players are not as use to.

Good luck to Marietta and we look forward to seeing them bounce back and making the tourney.

I really, REALLY tried not to, because it really isn't relevant to what happened this week with these teams and it's not to marginalize that.

Things are what they are and you are the sum total of your experience. The program is and has experienced a lot. This team has not, and hopefully starting today will set a course toward changing that fact. It gets no easier when they go back north, with Transy, Heidelberg, Wooster and Ohio Wesleyan on the schedule after TX Wesleyan.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 13, 2008, 02:44:36 PM
CUA fan? are you kidding. Just because you dont win your side of the conference? It most certainly is how you finish. TLU that year was on prevision because they still had guys that were on scholarship, Im taking it you didnt know that? Just like UT Tyler was this past year. SO does that mean TLU cant get any credit about going to the regionals after getting swept by UT TYLER that year. You guys are to nice on here and that makes it boring. Like I said  you have a role and it is a message board, If you dont like what your reading then dont read it, its not that hard of a task, everyone on here is entitled to their opinion. KNow your role!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 13, 2008, 02:50:38 PM
And CUA fan are you really a fan or whats your deal? cmon man get out of the toolshed.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 13, 2008, 02:54:14 PM
What are you talking about, Blackcat00? I haven't even said anything about that whole argument you guys are having...or is that your problem. Are you upset/frustrated/whatever that I'm not arguing vehemently that CTX is the best team in the nation, or about things that happened SIX YEARS AGO?

I hope your statements weren't supposed to be at me, as I didn't do anything to provoke them.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 13, 2008, 02:57:14 PM
Quote from: baseballfan24 on March 13, 2008, 12:57:24 PM
chill out ASC...all these comeback wins against marietta are gone produce some swollen heads!  I guess we'll have to leave it up to CTX to deflate those egos! 

Hambone,

There are certainly more quotes than this one where you emphatically support your beloved Tornadoes.  That is wonderful and fantastic that you love your school so much.  However, I don't see how it is necessary that you constantly belittle other programs to make yours appear the greatest.  Your so extremely biased that you can barely see it.  Even when you tried to compliment HPU you still insulted them.  I have noticed that you constantly try to put down TLU as well.  I don't recall anyone insulting Concordia last year when they did not make the playoffs.  I feel it is time to take you down a peg or two.

I did some research on the ASC website.  It appears that TLU has won the ASC west 6 out of 7 years that they have been in the ASC.  They have won the conference 3 times in a row (we all know that), and previous to this weekend had beaten your beloved Tornadoes nine times in a row.  Now we all know that your team was the only team in ASC history to make it to the World Series.  Congratulations that is an impressive feat.  I don't see you ever mentioning that you did not even beat TLU that season.  TLU won the series and they won the west.  Concordia was not even the best team in the conference that year.  You played in a regional in Texas and played Trinity (the best team that year) after their tragic event.  I am not discrediting the fact that you won so don't over react.  I am merely tired of you constantly putting down other teams as if Concordia has done something lately.  

Now all the facts are out there.  That 2002 team was good.  That is true and it can't be argued.  They had talent.  Now can you simply support your team without having to tear down other universities' playing abilities.  
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Cry me a river guy....im sorry i made you shed some tears.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 13, 2008, 03:00:06 PM
Hambone im not sure this guy really follows baseball as well as i thought he did. Your observations on the 2002 season are so far off it makes your blind. But its stuff info like that on here that keeps me coming back. Keep it up CUA fan
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 13, 2008, 03:01:21 PM
There is a plaque in our name that says conference champs and West side champs if you want to take a look.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 13, 2008, 03:04:13 PM
What the heck did I say, Blackcat00? Other than that last post before this one, I haven't said a single thing about the 2002 season. If I did and I just can't remember it for some reason, feel free to quote it and I'll own up to it. Otherwise, leave me out of your self-gratification-fest. I'd rather talk about this season than the 2002 one.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 13, 2008, 03:26:20 PM
yall sound like a bunch of bored women! did todays Soaps not go like yall wanted?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseballfan24 on March 13, 2008, 10:45:18 PM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on March 13, 2008, 02:44:36 PM
CUA fan? are you kidding. Just because you dont win your side of the conference? It most certainly is how you finish. TLU that year was on prevision because they still had guys that were on scholarship, Im taking it you didnt know that? Just like UT Tyler was this past year. SO does that mean TLU cant get any credit about going to the regionals after getting swept by UT TYLER that year. You guys are to nice on here and that makes it boring. Like I said  you have a role and it is a message board, If you dont like what your reading then dont read it, its not that hard of a task, everyone on here is entitled to their opinion. KNow your role!

Actually you are incorrect.  TLU was a provisional member to D3 because they moved over from NAIA/D2.  They did not have any players on scholarship in 2002.  They were provisional for the number years alotted by the conference as was Texas-Tyler who also did not have scholarships last year when they swept TLU.   
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseballfan24 on March 13, 2008, 10:57:59 PM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on March 13, 2008, 03:01:21 PM
There is a plaque in our name that says conference champs and West side champs if you want to take a look.


Well your plaque is wrong.  You didn't win the west that season.

2002 ASC BASEBALL
East Division

                                                             Conference                                       Overall

                                                     W         L        T           Pct.              W         L         T           Pct.

Mississippi College +=   17      7      0      .708          29     14      0      .674

UT-Dallas                       13     10     0      .565          22     17      0      .564

Louisiana College *       12     12     0      .500          19     21      0      .475

East Texas Baptist +      11     13     0      .458          21     21      0      .500

LeTourneau Univ.           8      13     0      .381          14     26      0      .350

Univ. of the Ozarks        6      16     0      .273          11     27      0      .289

Austin College                4      17     0      .190           6      29      0      .176



West Division

                                                             Conference                                       Overall

                                                     W         L        T           Pct.              W         L         T           Pct.

Texas Lutheran =           22      5      0      .815          33      6       0      .846

Concordia-Austin #+%$ 20      7      0      .741          35     13      0      .729

Howard Payne +            19      7      0      .731          24     19      0      .558

McMurry                        15     12     0      .556          21     19      0      .529

Hardin-Simmons            12     12     0      .500          18     22      0      .450

Sul Ross State                11     11     0      .500          11     24      0      .314

Mary Hardin-Baylor       8      17     0      .320          13     24      0      .351

Schreiner                         4      23     0      .148           7      32      0      .179



# - ASC Tournament Champion   = - ASC Division Champion     + - ASC Tournament berth

% - NCAA-III West Regional Champion   $ - NCAA-III College World Series (7th tie)

* - NCCAA World Series participant


Notice the "=" sign next to Texas Lutheran.  That means ASC Division Champion.


Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on March 13, 2008, 11:37:47 PM
personally im down for trash talk on here just like a lot of other poeple here but we are not here to talk about the past.  This weekend is a great baseball weekend with McM and TLU  going at it and a very interesting UMHB-HSU series.  Does anyone have any predictions for how this weekend will go?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: MCM Gangster on March 13, 2008, 11:56:09 PM
I will take HSU taking two of three from UMHB I think that HSU had a good week and are on a roll with their win over UT-Tyler....8-9 with Stepp and Pimpton hitting clutch bombs in the bottom of 8 with 2 outs. o ya!!!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on March 13, 2008, 11:57:55 PM
Quote from: indian4life on March 13, 2008, 11:37:47 PM
personally im down for trash talk on here just like a lot of other poeple here but we are not here to talk about the past.  This weekend is a great baseball weekend with McM and TLU  going at it and a very interesting UMHB-HSU series.  Does anyone have any predictions for how this weekend will go?

I will go with HSU 2 of 3 no comment on McM series but i hope for the best!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 14, 2008, 12:14:34 AM
What is the minimum to make the tournament thru the first half of the season?

I think that the fourth place team goes at least 12-9 in the West.

I am looking at the overall records before last weekend's games.

I think that the fourth place team must win 7 of 9 from versus #6-#8.

I think that they must edge out the #5 team 2-1.  That gives a record of 9-3 versus the bottom four teams.

Against the top half of the division, they must go 3-6.  Getting swept versus a top team will be tough to make up at this point.

I personally think that UMHB dodged the big one versus SRSU's Jaime Rojo.

Last year, HSU went 13-7 for fourth.  CUA stayed home at 11-10 for fifth.
2007 ASC Baseball (http://www.ascsports.org/oldsite/pdffiles/standings-baseball-2007.pdf)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 14, 2008, 12:26:12 AM
JSG,
we are going to find out if logan hull is a DESCENT #1, let alone your prediction as the best pitcher in the West. the youngster is going to have a tuff task pitching under the lights against a hot McMurry team. if he continues to throw as many pitches as he has been, and continues to work from behind in the count, McM might put up some big numbers. he has a quick fastball with moderate accuracy and a pretty good slider. thats it!! hit the first good fastball and lay off the slider, its pretty simple!!!!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 14, 2008, 03:09:55 AM
Quote from: Bman3 on March 14, 2008, 12:26:12 AM
JSG,
we are going to find out if logan hull is a DESCENT #1, let alone your prediction as the best pitcher in the West. the youngster is going to have a tuff task pitching under the lights against a hot McMurry team. if he continues to throw as many pitches as he has been, and continues to work from behind in the count, McM might put up some big numbers. he has a quick fastball with moderate accuracy and a pretty good slider. thats it!! hit the first good fastball and lay off the slider, its pretty simple!!!!

Bman3 they play @ 2pm @ TLU...no lights guy...but with as hot as the indians are right now i predict they will have him (Hull) off the mound by the end of the 3rd inning...its supposed to be somewhere around 90 degrees in Austin so we'll see what happens.  Should be a great series with TLU coming off a 2 0f 3 loss to CTX and also an attempt to save their conference record and MCM is hot but they have played a lot of games this week and are also on the road...if their arms hold up through this weekend I will have to agree with JSG on the depth of their pen.  Listen Live (link below).

http://www.tlu.edu/athletics/about_tlu_athletics/athletics_internet_broadcast_schedule (http://www.tlu.edu/athletics/about_tlu_athletics/athletics_internet_broadcast_schedule)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 14, 2008, 03:14:12 AM
Quote from: Bman3 on March 14, 2008, 12:26:12 AM
JSG,
we are going to find out if logan hull is a DESCENT #1, let alone your prediction as the best pitcher in the West. the youngster is going to have a tuff task pitching under the lights against a hot McMurry team. if he continues to throw as many pitches as he has been, and continues to work from behind in the count, McM might put up some big numbers. he has a quick fastball with moderate accuracy and a pretty good slider. thats it!! hit the first good fastball and lay off the slider, its pretty simple!!!!

Just to make sure I'm not misquoted. Here's what I said...

Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on March 10, 2008, 09:52:25 PM
3. I'd venture to say that Logan Hull is more than just a decent #1. He's only a sophomore and he's arguably the best pitcher in the ASC West. You can certainly make a case for some others, and Hull does work from behind and give up a few too many free passes, but holding a pretty solid CUA team to two hits typically supersedes decent.

Notice I said arguably and that you can certainly make a case for some others. I also alluded to the fact that he's a young guy and works from behind too much.

I wouldn't be so quick to jump to a conclusion based on one game either. I'm sure we've all had bad games right? Even in '01-'02 when you were 9-2, either you ran into someone that was better that particular day, didn't get run support, etc. All I'm saying is there are a number of factors that equate to wins and losses.

Hull is certainly capable of shutting down that high octane offense as evidenced by his efforts in the ASC Championship Game (http://www.ascsports.org/oldsite/stats-baseball/bb0507a.htm) last year against what I would argue was possibly a BETTER offensive team with Cervantez and Hank Casey still around.

Let's evaluate it a little further. Because I was not careful enough to make the distinction that I meant starting pitchers, we'll go ahead and include any noteworthy relievers at this point. That said, I believe the assumption was that we were discussing rotation guys.

So here's a few worth mentioning in the West at this point in the season (and there's plenty of time for all of this to shake up):
Kyle Barton -- 0.00 ERA, 3-0, 19.2 IP, 6 BB, 18 Ks, .143 against
R.B. Garza -- 1.38 ERA, 3-1, 26.0 IP, 7 BB, 24 Ks, .198 against
Logan Hull -- 3.00 ERA, 4-1, 30.0 IP, 13 BB, 26 Ks, .219 against
Cody Curry -- 3.75 ERA, 3-0, 24.0 IP, 12 BB, 28 Ks, .239 against
Ben Whiteley -- 3.55 ERA, 3-1, 38.0 IP, 11 BB, 25 Ks, .274 against
Adam Garcia -- 3.31 ERA, 2-1. 35.1 IP, 18 BB, 28 Ks, .242 against
Kevin Jones -- 3.25 ERA, 1-2, 27.2 IP, 16 BB, 18 Ks, .257 against

I'd rank Barton (a bullpen guy thus far this season, who hitters don't get to see twice - though you can't argue with those numbers) and Garza (who honestly hasn't faced much competition other than the Ozarks) ahead of him at this point. Curry's been good, but didn't start starting until the Austin College series (because of a suspension as I understand it). Whiteley and Hull have probably faced the best competition and I perceive Hull's numbers to be better at this point in the season (plus I think Hull was a little better against CUA, than Whiteley was against TLU).

Also, the series is in Seguin so it won't be under any lights.

JSG







Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: chance on March 14, 2008, 11:48:17 AM
Anybody know a pitcher in the ASC that held Chapman to 3 unearned runs in 7 innings an came out of the game in the 7th with a 6-3 lead
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 14, 2008, 11:55:18 AM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on March 14, 2008, 03:14:12 AM
So here's a few worth mentioning in the West at this point in the season (and there's plenty of time for all of this to shake up):
Kyle Barton -- 0.00 ERA, 3-0, 19.2 IP, 6 BB, 18 Ks, .143 against
R.B. Garza -- 1.38 ERA, 3-1, 26.0 IP, 7 BB, 24 Ks, .198 against
Logan Hull -- 3.00 ERA, 4-1, 30.0 IP, 13 BB, 26 Ks, .219 against
Cody Curry -- 3.75 ERA, 3-0, 24.0 IP, 12 BB, 28 Ks, .239 against
Ben Whiteley -- 3.55 ERA, 3-1, 38.0 IP, 11 BB, 25 Ks, .274 against
Adam Garcia -- 3.31 ERA, 2-1. 35.1 IP, 18 BB, 28 Ks, .242 against
Kevin Jones -- 3.25 ERA, 1-2, 27.2 IP, 16 BB, 18 Ks, .257 against

To add my two cents to this discussion, here are those 7 pitchers from above ranked by DICE (I left a link in a post on the last page), along with their team's defensive efficiency.

R.B. Garza, UMHB - 1.96 DICE/.693 defensive efficiency.
Kyle Barton, HSU - 2.39/.678
Cody Curry, MCM - 2.79/.650
Adam Garcia, HPU - 3.74/.636
Kevin Jones, SU - 3.87/.607
Ben Whiteley, CTX - 4.00/.664
Logan Hull, TLU - 4.13/.636

Also, IMO, Whiteley's not even the best pitcher on the CTX staff, Szkotak is.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 14, 2008, 12:40:19 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on March 14, 2008, 03:14:12 AM
Quote from: Bman3 on March 14, 2008, 12:26:12 AM
JSG,
we are going to find out if logan hull is a DESCENT #1, let alone your prediction as the best pitcher in the West. the youngster is going to have a tuff task pitching under the lights against a hot McMurry team. if he continues to throw as many pitches as he has been, and continues to work from behind in the count, McM might put up some big numbers. he has a quick fastball with moderate accuracy and a pretty good slider. thats it!! hit the first good fastball and lay off the slider, its pretty simple!!!!

Just to make sure I'm not misquoted. Here's what I said...

Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on March 10, 2008, 09:52:25 PM
3. I'd venture to say that Logan Hull is more than just a decent #1. He's only a sophomore and he's arguably the best pitcher in the ASC West. You can certainly make a case for some others, and Hull does work from behind and give up a few too many free passes, but holding a pretty solid CUA team to two hits typically supersedes decent.

Notice I said arguably and that you can certainly make a case for some others. I also alluded to the fact that he's a young guy and works from behind too much.

I wouldn't be so quick to jump to a conclusion based on one game either. I'm sure we've all had bad games right? Even in '01-'02 when you were 9-2, either you ran into someone that was better that particular day, didn't get run support, etc. All I'm saying is there are a number of factors that equate to wins and losses.

Hull is certainly capable of shutting down that high octane offense as evidenced by his efforts in the ASC Championship Game (http://www.ascsports.org/oldsite/stats-baseball/bb0507a.htm) last year against what I would argue was possibly a BETTER offensive team with Cervantez and Hank Casey still around.

Let's evaluate it a little further. Because I was not careful enough to make the distinction that I meant starting pitchers, we'll go ahead and include any noteworthy relievers at this point. That said, I believe the assumption was that we were discussing rotation guys.

So here's a few worth mentioning in the West at this point in the season (and there's plenty of time for all of this to shake up):
Kyle Barton -- 0.00 ERA, 3-0, 19.2 IP, 6 BB, 18 Ks, .143 against
R.B. Garza -- 1.38 ERA, 3-1, 26.0 IP, 7 BB, 24 Ks, .198 against
Logan Hull -- 3.00 ERA, 4-1, 30.0 IP, 13 BB, 26 Ks, .219 against
Cody Curry -- 3.75 ERA, 3-0, 24.0 IP, 12 BB, 28 Ks, .239 against
Ben Whiteley -- 3.55 ERA, 3-1, 38.0 IP, 11 BB, 25 Ks, .274 against
Adam Garcia -- 3.31 ERA, 2-1. 35.1 IP, 18 BB, 28 Ks, .242 against
Kevin Jones -- 3.25 ERA, 1-2, 27.2 IP, 16 BB, 18 Ks, .257 against

I'd rank Barton (a bullpen guy thus far this season, who hitters don't get to see twice - though you can't argue with those numbers) and Garza (who honestly hasn't faced much competition other than the Ozarks) ahead of him at this point. Curry's been good, but didn't start starting until the Austin College series (because of a suspension as I understand it). Whiteley and Hull have probably faced the best competition and I perceive Hull's numbers to be better at this point in the season (plus I think Hull was a little better against CUA, than Whiteley was against TLU).

Also, the series is in Seguin so it won't be under any lights.

JSG









OOOOOOOHH Dang Bman3...JSG broke you off a lil piece of sumptin.  If you'll click on the link to the conference asc championship from last year...Logan Hull shut down that MCM team, pitching a complete 9 innings as a freshman.  Thats a pretty big time win for a young lad.  Vorhees did go 4 for 4 in that game but he didnt get any help from his teammates, so its safe to say that Brent wont be afraid to swing it today esp with the great weather we are going to have...

JSG, Bman3 and i watched the ctx vs tlu game theat Hull threw and we didnt think he was very good, we thought he just looked like another right handed pitcher...granite there are alot of factors that go into that opinion...for one it was butt-ace-cold that night so in comparison i would have looked like a girl on the mound, so just another right-hander is not that bad of a description; two the 2 teams really played sloppy, in game 1 CTX was sloppy at the plate and TLU was sloppy on D....so it was hard to get a good read on Hull with the weather and the sloppy approach at the plate from the team we wanted to see success from....the highlight of the night was Tom Williams hitting 2 absolute missles....thats always fun to watch.

I am going to try my best to make the trip down to seguine here in about an hour or so...hopefully i will have some eyeballs to help explain the box score later.

make it great day gents
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 14, 2008, 01:35:18 PM
from what i hear the game Hull pitched in the ASC Championship was something special. i wish i could have been there so maybe my views would be different. i want to give him benefit of the doubt, but you only get ONE first impression and several of us were not impressed!! After he handed CTX their 1st and only ASC loss, i remember looking around and saying out loud,"how did that guy just beat us?" I didn't even know it was Hull and i was wondering why they wouldn't throw him. i found out the next day it was Hull and the program had an error.

watching him pitch that night and then looking at his numbers, it was two different stories. Impressive numbers, except the walks, (could have been closer to 10 if CTX would have had a CLUE at the dish, but that happens on chilli nights).   

Texas Lutheran                 IP  H  R ER BB SO  WP BK HP IBB  AB BF  FO GO
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Logan Hull  W,4-1..........   7.0  3  4  1  5  5   0  0  0  0   26 32   8  8

this is not a Rip on Hull's abilities, the hype was high and he underferformed.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jim Dixon on March 14, 2008, 02:07:00 PM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on March 13, 2008, 02:44:36 PM
TLU that year was on prevision because they still had guys that were on scholarship, Im taking it you didnt know that? Just like UT Tyler was this past year.

If I am not mistaken, Texas-Tyler was a program that started from scratch and had to serve a probational period because that was the rule.  Probably unfair since they did not have a previous scholarship player but they knew what the score was when they started up the program.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: chance on March 14, 2008, 06:28:06 PM
Score at TLC 13-5 McMurry
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jim Dixon on March 14, 2008, 06:36:13 PM
Quote from: chance on March 14, 2008, 06:28:06 PM
Score at TLC 13-5 McMurry

Just does not look like Texas Lutheran's year this year.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 14, 2008, 06:43:23 PM
Texas Lutheran                 IP  H  R ER BB SO  WP BK HP IBB  AB BF  FO GO
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Logan Hull  L,4-2..........   5.0 10 10  5  2  6   0  0  0  0   26 29   3  6
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 14, 2008, 07:43:17 PM
Looks like hes either getting them on stike outs or giving up extra bases. McMurry is hot right now.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: chance on March 14, 2008, 07:48:02 PM
Watch Curry an Toombs tomorrow
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on March 14, 2008, 09:01:02 PM
with howard payne hosting that basketball tournament, i haven't been able to get a HPU v CTX score, does anybody have one?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 14, 2008, 09:08:19 PM
Quote from: chance on March 14, 2008, 11:48:17 AM
Anybody know a pitcher in the ASC that held Chapman to 3 unearned runs in 7 innings an came out of the game in the 7th with a 6-3 lead

Arnold Toombs (http://athletics.mcm.edu/sports/baseball/2008/mcm-cu3.htm)

Try this (http://athletics.mcm.edu/sports/baseball/2008/mcm-cu2.htm).  McMurry's Brent Voorhees gave up 2 earned runs in 6.2 on his way to a win.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: MCM Gangster on March 14, 2008, 09:39:58 PM
HPU wins today 32-19 over CTX
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on March 14, 2008, 09:40:44 PM
CTX lost!!!! anything to say about the 12 walks and 8 errors hambone? or are you still to busy living in 2002?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on March 14, 2008, 09:55:35 PM
well im not gunna talk to much hambone cause its not confirmed yet but if you know the score let us know.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 14, 2008, 10:12:08 PM
Quote from: indian4life on March 14, 2008, 09:40:44 PM
CTX lost!!!! anything to say about the 12 walks and 8 errors hambone? or are you still to busy living in 2002?


yeah i have a few things to say about...1 this is the first ive heard of it, i was unsuccessful finding it on the web; 2 if its true, and im sure it is, that is one heck of a sloppy game and im glad i didnt burn up a tank of gas to watch that circus; and 3 no im not in 2002 neverland today, i was busy laying out at the pool with some ladies...tough day.  man those indians are on fire right now. ctx better get some rest.  and they need to learn how to win on friday. im gonna go throw up now.  cif anyone knows where the ctx box score is posted, please post the link.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 14, 2008, 10:16:02 PM
Dangit.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on March 14, 2008, 10:20:46 PM
Quote from: HAMBONE on March 14, 2008, 10:12:08 PM
Quote from: indian4life on March 14, 2008, 09:40:44 PM
CTX lost!!!! anything to say about the 12 walks and 8 errors hambone? or are you still to busy living in 2002?


yeah i have a few things to say about...1 this is the first ive heard of it, i was unsuccessful finding it on the web; 2 if its true, and im sure it is, that is one heck of a sloppy game and im glad i didnt burn up a tank of gas to watch that circus; and 3 no im not in 2002 neverland today, i was busy laying out at the pool with some ladies...tough day.  man those indians are on fire right now. ctx better get some rest.  and they need to learn how to win on friday. im gonna go throw up now.  cif anyone knows where the ctx box score is posted, please post the link.

Well at least you finnaly came out of that stage and thats a good reason to not know the score
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: MCM Gangster on March 14, 2008, 10:23:18 PM
Dangit what hammy?????
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 14, 2008, 10:36:08 PM
rest?!? ya right, they're probably still running perimeters. 32-19!?! i know the feeling. my freshman year joe fichera and mcmurry did us like that....three times!!! not a good day to be a CTX pitcher....was the wind blowing straight out....did we not use gloves....what happened? bad things always seem to happen when CTX goes up there. hope they can pull it together tomorrow and win the doubleheader.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 14, 2008, 10:41:28 PM
Has CTX added football already?   :D  ;)

Yes the wind was blowing straight out of the west at about 30 MPH. Temperature was in the 80's and less than 10% humidity.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on March 14, 2008, 10:49:14 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 14, 2008, 10:41:28 PM
Has CTX added football already?   :D  ;)

Yes the wind was blowing straight out of the west at about 30 MPH. Temperature was in the 80's and less than 10% humidity.

good one Ralph!! ;D :o
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 14, 2008, 10:51:15 PM
i would love to see the box score if anyone could post it.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 14, 2008, 10:52:55 PM
McM 13, TLU 5 (http://www.tlu.edu/i/athletics/baseball/stats/2008/tlumcm1.htm)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on March 14, 2008, 10:53:32 PM
probably not gonna happen anytime soon, Abram is busy with the Sweet 16 in Brownwood - I'd guess it'll be up by Sunday or Monday on HPU's site, you'll be better off checking the ASC web site, http://www.ascsports.org - they may have the final box sooner.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on March 14, 2008, 11:32:40 PM
HSU beats UMHB in the 11th on a balk!...HSU had runners on first and third with 2 outs and an 0-2 count on Steep.  The runner at 1st left on an early steal and caused the pitcher to balk....someone needs to tell that kid what to do in that situation!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: MCM Gangster on March 14, 2008, 11:45:14 PM
what you do to that is, let that guy take second and wave at him while he running!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 15, 2008, 12:43:09 AM
Quote from: MCM Gangster on March 14, 2008, 11:45:14 PM
what you do to that is, let that guy take second and wave at him while he running!
You accept bountiful gifts when presented to you.

That is a good win for HSU!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: chance on March 15, 2008, 12:50:36 AM
Anyone know the conference standings
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 15, 2008, 01:28:00 AM
Quote from: chance on March 15, 2008, 12:50:36 AM
Anyone know the conference standings
ASC Standings (http://www.ascsports.org/)

McM, UMHB, HPU are all 3-1,  HSU, CUA  2-2, TLU 1-3.

SU and SRSU score is not available.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 15, 2008, 01:45:12 AM
I guess that 32-19 loss for CTX is karma from the whipping we put on ETBU last year.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 15, 2008, 04:46:42 AM
im all for karma and doing things right on and off the field to keep the baseball gods happy....but i dont think karma or gods had anything to do with a 32-19 baseball game.  just to score 19 runs in a game is a feat.  need i say more?  there is gonna be 2 box scores for that 1 game when they finally come out.  At least everyone decided to swing the bat, heck i was I a DH, 32-19 actually sounds fun....that means about 9 abats apiece!  too bad it was a conf game.

well boys and girls...looks like we have a 5 team race.  remember the winner of the west hosts the conference tourney and the west regional is already scheduled @ McMurry....its too bad the rest of the indians season is on the road.  I know one thing, there are some guys absolutely swinging the bat well, with the pitching being as bad as it is this year, I think the hitting is much better all around than usual....Personally I think you have to be a better hitter to hit bad pitching consistently which is what all these 3-4-5 guys are doing for all of these teams...I do understand that weak hitters match up well against bad pitching but that just means that your mean, median, and mode decrease which is normally under the mendoza line. 

Those Nados need to go eat at UNDERWOODS for breakfast.  Chicken-fried steak and eggs!

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 15, 2008, 10:36:33 AM
hambone, shut up with your "mean, median, mode" crap. what would decrease? definately not ERA's and definately not BA, HITS, RUNS, or RBI's. bad pitching is bad pitching. it does take patience and disapline from a hitter against bad pitching, thats a given. but i im not following you on that one.

and for anyone in the ASC that hasnt eaten at UNDERWOODS in Brownwood, it is a must.



Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on March 15, 2008, 10:49:31 AM
SU beat sul ross 6-5
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 15, 2008, 12:09:55 PM
Quote from: Bman3 on March 15, 2008, 10:36:33 AM
hambone, shut up with your "mean, median, mode" crap. what would decrease? definately not ERA's and definately not BA, HITS, RUNS, or RBI's. bad pitching is bad pitching. it does take patience and disapline from a hitter against bad pitching, thats a given. but i im not following you on that one.

and for anyone in the ASC that hasnt eaten at UNDERWOODS in Brownwood, it is a must.






Bman3 dont be mad because I am on the Junior Varsity and you are still a second-stringer. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 15, 2008, 01:08:48 PM
Bman3 dont be mad because I am on the Junior Varsity and you are still a second-stringer. 
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once again someone has to correct HAMBONE. I am still a starting Junior Varsity player and you are a Second-Stringer, and probably sill dont play
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 15, 2008, 07:14:51 PM
HAMBONE, a former ASC player......is no longer living in the past. he was invited to play in a special "Invitation ONLY Game" at the Dell Diamond this Saturday. amazingly, he still had it going 6 for 6 with 3 singles, 2 doubles, and a TRIPLE. this was his first triple of his illustrious career. what a game. he faught hard for the cycle, but came up a HR short of the cycle against the 50 and Under Mens League Team. yes, 50 and Under!! but apparently they were really really really good, so dont let anyone mess with you about that HAMBONE.....i think you've still got it!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: MCM Gangster on March 15, 2008, 08:37:59 PM
MCM in the first game won 19-5 then lost 11-10 to TLU. MCM took 2 of 3 from TLU
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 15, 2008, 09:18:11 PM
Quote from: Bman3 on March 15, 2008, 07:14:51 PM
HAMBONE, a former ASC player......is no longer living in the past. he was invited to play in a special "Invitation ONLY Game" at the Dell Diamond this Saturday. amazingly, he still had it going 6 for 6 with 3 singles, 2 doubles, and a TRIPLE. this was his first triple of his illustrious career. what a game. he faught hard for the cycle, but came up a HR short of the cycle against the 50 and Under Mens League Team. yes, 50 and Under!! but apparently they were really really really good, so dont let anyone mess with you about that HAMBONE.....i think you've still got it!

Bman3 im not sure how you got those stats but at least they are accurate...i cant even get a hold of box scores from institutions that charge $25,000 a year for school.  but yes i did go 6 for 6 today.  like i said before...mediocre pitching matches up well with mediocre hitting...very few have what it takes to hit bad pitching consistently...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 16, 2008, 12:48:46 AM
my prayers go out to the Jacoby family with the loss of Mr. Fred Jacoby today.  For those that don't know Fred was the Commissioner of the ASC for 10 years before retiring in 2006.  full story link below.  I had to opportunity to befriend Mr. Jacoby during my 4 years @ CTX serving on the ASC Athletic Advisory Committee, he was a great man and loved helping student athletes. RIP

Fred Jacoby (http://www.ascsports.org/News/gen/2008/3/15/ASC_JACOBY.asp?path=gen)


Modified for formatting -- Thanks for the link. Yes, he will be missed.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 17, 2008, 02:49:46 AM
Quote from: CUAfan on March 13, 2008, 02:06:32 PM
Thought I'd follow the defense numbers with a list of the top 10 pitchers in the ASC so far according to DICE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_independent_pitching_statistics). The point here is to evaluate pitchers separately from the defense behind them, so the formula only includes walks, strikeouts, home runs, and hit batters, since those results derive solely from the interaction of the pitcher and the batter. It does not adjust for park effects, the quality of the opposition, or for groundball/flyball tendencies.

Quote from: CUAfan on March 14, 2008, 11:55:18 AM
To add my two cents to this discussion, here are those 7 pitchers from above ranked by DICE (I left a link in a post on the last page), along with their team's defensive efficiency.

R.B. Garza, UMHB - 1.96 DICE/.693 defensive efficiency.
Kyle Barton, HSU - 2.39/.678
Cody Curry, MCM - 2.79/.650
Adam Garcia, HPU - 3.74/.636
Kevin Jones, SU - 3.87/.607
Ben Whiteley, CTX - 4.00/.664
Logan Hull, TLU - 4.13/.636

Also, IMO, Whiteley's not even the best pitcher on the CTX staff, Szkotak is.

CUAFan,

I really enjoy the statistical analysis you provide and the extra dimension it provides for discussion. I also think there's some relevance to DICE #'s and a pitcher's success, though I probably agree more with Tippett in that BABIP (Batting Average on Balls In Play), though more volatile on a year to year basis, is still partially the result of the pitcher's skill.

And while DICE technically measures things that aren't influenced by a defense I would argue that a pitcher is very often influenced by his defense. If your defense is fielding .975 do you think a pitcher feels more comfortable working ahead, throwing a lot of strikes and letting the opposition put the ball in play? If they're fielding .935, might that same pitcher try to bare more of the of the burden and throw more pitches in an effort to induce more strikeouts, but invariably walking more guys as well?

And isn't the home run aspect at least partially influenced by the park effects? I'd be the first to say that CUA pitchers are at a disadvantage when it comes to giving up HR.

In other words, while I really do appreciate the contribution of DICE, I myself will probably never look at them with the same credibility that I give other stats. To me, a pitcher that strikes out 0 hitters, but throws soft ground balls all day is successfully doing his job on the mound.

What about a guy like Pedro Martinez that actually has pretty impeccable control, but is consistently near the top of the MLB in HBP. I realize he's the exception, but he's hitting guys on purpose and it's proved to be an effective tactic for him.

How would Nolan Ryan rank on the DICE scale with all the walks he gave up?

To me the DICE stat (and the similar stat you produced last year) just didn't speak to me because I could then, and still can give a valid argument as to why Adam Enloe was a  better pitcher than Jonathan Miller (despite his awesome K/BB ratio) in conference play last year. That's meant to take nothing away from the phenomal season Miller had and the way he carried a CUA team that was down last year, but with two blind stat lines I just don't see how many people could feasibly say Miller was better in conference (at least not without using DICE ;-) )

As far as Szkotak goes, I don't know that I disagree provided he's spotting his soft stuff well, but Whiteley's numbers would indicate that he's probably been the better pitcher thus far this year (at least in terms of success against the opposition).

JSG

   
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 17, 2008, 03:57:36 PM
JSG, I would freely admit that DICE (and other statistics like it) are far from perfect. Studies have made it clear (as you point out) that pitchers do have some influence on their BABIP, as well as that certain types of pitchers (i.e., flyball, groundball, etc.) tend to have certain types of BABIPs. Unfortunately, that kind of flyball/groundball data would be tedious to gather for D3 pitchers, and I have been unable to find a formula that includes hits and the like that I am comfortable with. I would much rather use the STUFF stat that Baseball Prospectus uses, but I haven't quite figured out how to make it work in Excel. Given the above, I think that DICE is a useful tool for analyzing pitchers, but is definitely not the last word. I never saw Enloe pitch last year, but I do know that when hitters made contact on Miller, a lot of them were line drives or hard grounders, both of which are more difficult to field than a fly ball (all else equal). Perhaps Enloe gave up more easy fly balls or soft grounders than Miller, which may have given him the edge.

On a side note, I figured up pitcher-specific defensive efficiencies to help address this, so that it is easier to see which pitchers get more help from their defense (though the resulting efficiency is definitely influenced by the pitcher's GB/FB tendencies). One guy (I forget who) is getting no help at all...when he pitches, the defensive efficiency is only .456...meaning that over half of the balls in the field of play go for hits...just terrible.

In a couple days, I'll have a set of region-wide team rankings using second-order wins that you may find interesting (prior to this weekend Puget Sound was in the top 5, and I don't think I've seen you mention them at all).
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 17, 2008, 04:42:19 PM
you two can argue DICE, STUFF, BABIP, SIPLX, CRAP or any other kind of quantitative statistical method formula you can plug into excel. the best way to evaluate a pitcher is to WATCH him perform on the mound. is there a formula for placing an inside fastball on the black with the bases loaded in a tie ballgame with a full count? i'll take that pitcher all day, the guy who gets it done when it counts the most. there are PLAYERS, and then there are GAMERS. players play and gamers WIN!!!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 17, 2008, 04:48:22 PM
You hit it on the head Bman. Technology these days still cant determine the mindset of what some pitchers have in the game. 3-2 offspeed, having the balls to throw inside and that aggressive mentality. Like its said ,you have throwers and u have pitchers and thats why the scouts go to the games.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 17, 2008, 05:46:08 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on March 17, 2008, 03:57:36 PM
On a side note, I figured up pitcher-specific defensive efficiencies to help address this, so that it is easier to see which pitchers get more help from their defense (though the resulting efficiency is definitely influenced by the pitcher's GB/FB tendencies).

Which I did appreciate. Also, it's definitely not a coincidence that the teams at the bottom of the ASC have (for the most part) poor defensive efficiencies.

Quote from: CUAfan on March 17, 2008, 03:57:36 PM
In a couple days, I'll have a set of region-wide team rankings using second-order wins that you may find interesting (prior to this weekend Puget Sound was in the top 5, and I don't think I've seen you mention them at all).

Definitely looking forward to it.

Puget Sound was 8-3 prior to this weekend, but 5 of those 8 wins were against a weak Whitman team that is 2-14 and dead last in the NWC. 2 more were against a Whitworth team that's 5-13 (they split the series 2-2). They got hammered by the Linfield team that is currently first in the conference, and then they got beat by the Redlands and pretty marginal Occidental team this weekend.

I realize those two were after what you had initially put together.

I think they're probably the 5th or 6th best team in that 9-team conference; nonethless, like I said before, I'm still looking forward to whatever you put together.

JSG 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 17, 2008, 05:54:55 PM
Quote from: Bman3 on March 17, 2008, 04:42:19 PM
you two can argue DICE, STUFF, BABIP, SIPLX, CRAP or any other kind of quantitative statistical method formula you can plug into excel.

Isn't that part of what makes baseball fun to discuss?

Quote from: Bman3 on March 17, 2008, 04:42:19 PM
The best way to evaluate a pitcher is to WATCH him perform on the mound. is there a formula for placing an inside fastball on the black with the bases loaded in a tie ballgame with a full count? i'll take that pitcher all day, the guy who gets it done when it counts the most. there are PLAYERS, and then there are GAMERS. players play and gamers WIN!!!

I agree 100% with this statement. There is definitely something to be said about a guy that pitches the way you and Blackcat have both mentioned, provided they're doing it in an intelligent way.

I'll take the savvy, tender-armed veteran throwing because it is what he has to do for his team to win over some guy throwing a flat 90 with awful offspeed stuff.

Give me the guy that starts on Friday, pitches a complete game and comes back Saturday evening and wants to pitch the 9th in game three for the save with a playoff spot on the line. I'm not advocating overwork to the point of injury under any circumstances, but special pitchers tend to step up in big situations and you alluded that fact.

Quote from: Blackcat00 on March 17, 2008, 04:48:22 PM
You hit it on the head Bman. Technology these days still cant determine the mindset of what some pitchers have in the game. 3-2 offspeed, having the balls to throw inside and that aggressive mentality. Like its said ,you have throwers and u have pitchers and thats why the scouts go to the games.

I'd argue that scouts sometimes go to the games to check out a thrower. Maybe he throws 92-94 with an effortless motion, but has no idea where it's going. Chances are the scout might be willing to take a late round flyer on that guy don't you think?

But again, I understand the point you're trying to illustrate as well, and I whole-heartily agree with the sentiment.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 17, 2008, 07:01:06 PM
Man you guys are getting really deep today! 

I just watched CTX bounce back from a rocky weekend @ HPU and pumble Southwestern 11-0 @ the Dell Diamond....i saw a lot of good things i liked...18 hits, none of which were cheap, they were hitting 2 round objects pretty squarely today.  bunting runners up, delayed steals, hit and run plays, ZERO ERRORS on defense, and a combined effort shutout performance from the pitching staff that was most likely pretty sore from last weekends circus.  Hopefully they are all mature enough to learn something today indiviually and collectively, and if they did, they just may peak at the right time this season.  Solid performance today from the Tornados, I didnt witness a weak link in the lineup or on the mound.  Go Nados.

On another note...Southwestern who seems to play great one day and poor the next, looks as though they are just giving mentally....not a whole lot of enthusiasm from anyone on their team.  They looked beat from the first pitch.  Maybe they are worn out from those 4 game series they are playing?  I thought they looked much better when these 2 matched up earlier in the season...either that or the 32-19 game was a turning point in the tornados season...we will see.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 17, 2008, 07:28:01 PM
Wow 11-0, Gardner must have really lit a fire under them. Maybe this weekend series will get things going. Hambone, was this anything compared to our Weekend stand with the ACes at the Dell Diamond, or was this game a little evenly matched?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 17, 2008, 08:05:26 PM
How about some notable things going on so far in the ASC to entice a bit of discussion?

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on March 17, 2008, 10:46:39 PM
Good win for Mississippi College tonight beating #13 Illinois Wesleyan 8-6. The Choctaws got off to a terrible start this year going 1-7, but they are 9-4 since then. Big series this weekend at UT-Dallas.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 18, 2008, 01:00:28 PM
Here are some conference numbers I've figured up. They do not include games as of last night though. The speed lists (team and player) use Baseball Prospectus' SPEED stat, the defensive efficiency numbers are the percentage of balls in the field of play that are turned into outs, DICE has been linked to before, and batting uses BaseRuns per plate appearance.

Top 5 Team Speed
Mary Hardin-Baylor - 9.27
Texas-Tyler - 8.77
Mississippi College - 8.39
Ozarks - 8.23
Howard Payne - 8.10

Top 5 Team Defense
Mary Hardin-Baylor - .694
Texas-Tyler - .688
Ozarks - .680
Hardin-Simmons - .673
Texas-Dallas - .673

Top 10 Pitchers
B. Ziegler, UTT - 1.44 DICE, .694 defensive efficiency (this number is pitcher specific)
B. Holland, UTT - 1.55, .660
C. Dixon, UO - 1.89, .714
T. Koch, UO - 2.53, .671
R. Garza, UMHB - 2.67, .709
M. Cox, UTD - 2.69, .728
T. Williams, MC - 2.70, .653
C. Curry, MCM - 2.71, .607
S. Szkotak, CTX - 2.90, .599
B. Booher, UTT - 2.95, .759

Top 10 Hitters
T. Williams, CTX - .369 BaseRuns/PA
W. Franco, MCM - .338
R. Finnell, UO - .318
D. David, MCM - .310
C. Briggs, UO - .303
M. Volz, UMHB - .302
J. Arrieta, SRSU - .296
J. Harding, UTT - .291
M. Caggiano, UTT - .290
B. Cameron, UO - .281

Top 10 Individual Speed
J. Villegas, UMHB - 14.70
A. White, UMHB - 13.99
K. Harvey, TLU - 13.71
L. Jones, MCM - 13.55
C. Baker, UTT - 13.34
M. Caggiano, UTT - 12.83
D. Roux, LC - 12.58
B. Shaffer, HPU - 12.50
J. Smith, UTD - 11.87
N. Loving, HPU - 11.51
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on March 18, 2008, 06:30:26 PM
top 2 teams on each side of the conference go at it this weekend...predictions?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: MCM Gangster on March 18, 2008, 08:59:32 PM
Well Mr indian for life I have a prediction in my head....and I think you know what it is!!!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on March 18, 2008, 09:23:32 PM
Anything for the east mr gangster?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: MCM Gangster on March 18, 2008, 09:42:55 PM
ok with Miss taking on UT-D i will take Miss taking 2 of 3, I will take ETBU also taking 2 of 3 from LaTourneau, UT-T will take 2 of 3 from Ozarks maybe a sweep UT-T swings the bats real well, in teh west HSU should sweep Schriner, I will have TLU bounce back and take 2 of 3 from HPU, and I will have CTX take 2 of 3 from Sul Ross.!!!!!! anyone else have anything to say or predict?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 18, 2008, 09:59:28 PM
Hopefully Concordia will take care of bussiness, but Sul Ross has a solid Friday  night thrower so that game will be tough for the tornadoes. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 19, 2008, 01:56:07 AM
My picks for the weekend:

Texas Lutheran takes 2 from Howard Payne
LeTourneau takes 2 from East Texas Baptist
Hardin-Simmons sweeps Schreiner
Mary Hardin-Baylor takes 2 from McMurry
Concordia-Texas sweeps Sul Ross State
Texas-Dallas sweeps Mississippi College
Texas-Tyler takes 2 from Ozarks
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 19, 2008, 12:46:06 PM
i think this week is going to interesting.

CTX sweeps SRU
TLU sweeps HPU
HSU 2 of 3 SU
McM 2 of 3 MHB

LU 2 of 3 ETB
UTD 2 of 3 MC
UTT 2 of 3 OU
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 19, 2008, 09:25:21 PM
Quote from: Bman3 on March 19, 2008, 12:46:06 PM
i think this week is going to interesting.

CTX sweeps SRU
TLU sweeps HPU
HSU 2 of 3 SU
McM 2 of 3 MHB

LU 2 of 3 ETB
UTD 2 of 3 MC
UTT 2 of 3 OU
If UMHB wins the series over McMurry 2 of 3, then they will have a "2.5" game lead over McMurry.  If McMurry takes the series 2 of 3, then McMurry will have the tie-breaker.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 20, 2008, 06:41:37 PM
UMHB takes game one 13-11. Pitchers dual.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 20, 2008, 07:55:32 PM
Hardin Simmons wins 6-2 over Schreiner
Howard Payne wins 10-5 over Texas Lutheran
Mississippi College wins 12-2 over UT-Dallas

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Sader22 on March 20, 2008, 08:30:34 PM
Ok so everyone is questioning if the CRU really is a legit team and there is really nothing to say but they are a legit team.  I watched them play 2 weeks ago and they hae the complete package. Defense, Hitting, and a Really good staff.  Not to forget they are 16-4 on the year and #20 in the Nation.  You dont just go 16-4 and get ranked nationally if you are not a legit team.  Wells and Dunaway have done a great job with those kids down there in Belton and nobody should question their talent.  I played through the rough days in Belton and coached for a year there to and this is by far the best team in the last 10 years at UMHB.  They have a kid by the name of Villegas that is probably the best D3 player to come through this conference. 

You say what is in the water down in Belton in previous post, and can I say this what was in the Water in Austin for 5 years with all the monkeys yall had there.  You make fun of Champion for his Eye black and things like and what you guys do not realize is we did those things to make fun of the Deckers and Krogs in our conference.  Not trying to stir any bad blood or anything just simply trying to state a point. 

I look for the CRU to win the West and Dual it out with UT-Tyler in the conference tournament. 

My pick for the weekend is the CRU wins 2 of 3 From McMurry
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: MCM Gangster on March 20, 2008, 08:45:32 PM
UMHB won today 13-11 over McM
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 20, 2008, 09:50:59 PM
Hambone went to the game today and was relaying to me that both teams have good hitting, and a decent right handed pitching. UMHB is on a roll and we will see what they can do and not fold like last year.

Sul Ross has a great opening night pitcher and its currently 4-1 CTX in the fourth.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 20, 2008, 09:55:11 PM
Whoa, settle down ex Cru coach, Hambone is great friends with Champion and was giving him some old fashion tough love. Lower that blood tempeture and keep your composure ( you are a coach right?) Decker and Krog made a name for themselves in the ASC  so I guess you could say you can look up to those guys for the eyeblack jokes. Anyways your Crew is good to go this year and as far as Vellega or whatever, thats pushing it as far as u stating him the  best player in the conf to come out, but you do have your opinion  Can he hold the likes of Voorhees, Williams and other s jocks of the conference, Hell does that guy pitch or hit, give us some info and we will see through ASC play.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 20, 2008, 11:16:08 PM
Ozarks def UT Tyler 6-4 (http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/statistics/2007-2008/baseball/2008-23b.htm)

Both teams pitched pretty well, but Ozarks finally get to Cambpell in the 7th.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 21, 2008, 10:05:56 AM
it does look like UMHB and THE OZARKS are really turning it around this year. i think that the surprise has to go to the Ozarks. what a job these guys have done. i thought UT-Tyler was going to put them back into place this weekend, but i have wrongly underestimated them. but lets all remember, its not who wins the division...its who wins the conference. can't wait until the tournament!

Sader22, when did you play or coach at UMHB? and as for the monkey comment, that was pretty low. you must have been there when those monkeys were kicking the CRU around.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 21, 2008, 10:17:22 AM
as for the Joseph Villegas comment, he is putting up some really nice numbers. but the best player ever to come out of the ASC, dude, come on...really.  he is only a sophomore, lets give him some time and the coaches some time to scout him.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 21, 2008, 12:37:25 PM
heck ya 2nd stringer!!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jim Dixon on March 21, 2008, 01:29:27 PM
I did not see this posted.  For the Ozark-Tyler games today

Broadcast (for all 3 games):
mms://utattyler.wmlivesvc.vitalstreamcdn.com/live_utattyler_vitalstream_com_baseball
Game 1 Live Stats:
http://uttyler.cstv.com/gametracker/launch/?event=646489&school=txty&sport=mbasebl&
Game 2 Live Stats:
http://uttyler.cstv.com/gametracker/launch/?event=646490&school=txty&sport=mbasebl&
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 21, 2008, 01:49:02 PM
Quote from: Sader22 on March 20, 2008, 08:30:34 PM
there is really nothing to say but they are a legit team.

I guess it depends on your definition of a legit team. Are they a contender in the ASC? Yes, absolutely no doubt. Do I think they're a threat in a Western Regional? No, probably not. Though, everyone knows that anything can happen in those things. That said, I don't think they'll get out of the conference tournament, and I doubt they'll have the resume to earn an at-large bid.

Quote from: Sader22 on March 20, 2008, 08:30:34 PM
I watched them play 2 weeks ago and they havee the complete package. Defense, Hitting, and a Really good staff.

This is where I disagree. It's pretty easy to look like you have the complete package against a team like Sul Ross. I think UMHB is a really good offensive team, though they did struggle against the Ozarks staff in those first two games.

In terms of defense though, they're fielding .942, which isn't very good. The left side of their infield is fielding .904 and .870 respectively. That's pretty awful.

For me, the jury is still out on the staff. A 5.30 ERA isn't all that impressive, but the ASC as a whole isn't very deep on the bump this year. That's something Hambone has consistently alluded to and I definitely agree. Garza is a pretty solid #1, but he hasn't pitched great against the good teams (Ozarks, Hardin Simmons, and now McMurry). I AM starting to like their depth though with Tumlinson seemingly healthy now and throwing well, and the FR Hopper has been pretty good as the number three.

Are they the best team in the West? You could make a very good case for them if they take one of the two from McMurry today.

Quote from: Sader22 on March 20, 2008, 08:30:34 PMNot to forget they are 16-4 on the year and #20 in the Nation.  You dont just go 16-4 and get ranked nationally if you are not a legit team.

National rankings don't mean a whole lot, though Jim Dixon and all the people voting this year have done a better job than the ABCA poll. Again, UMHB has played a pretty weak schedule. That said, I'm very glad that they're ranked. Like everyone else, I think it's about time the ASC starts getting some respect nationally and with three teams ranked it seems as though they finally are.

Taking 2 of 3 from McMurry should help solidify their spot on the rankings.

Quote from: Sader22 on March 20, 2008, 08:30:34 PMThey have a kid by the name of Villegas that is probably the best D3 player to come through this conference. 

I'm a big fan of Villegas and the things he brings to the table, but I feel you're a little premature touting him as the best player in the conference.

For those that don't know here's his stats:
.421 AVG, 11 2B, 5 3B, 5 HR, 22 RBI, .800 SLG, .452 OBP, 7-7 SBs.

He's definitely one of the best offensive players in the conference, and he certainly deserved newcomer of the year over Colton Hermes last year, but like I said let's wait on calling him the best player to come through the entire conference with some of the resumes that some other guys currently have.

JSG


Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 21, 2008, 03:03:00 PM
Concordia defeats Sul Ross 14-4
CTX needs to sweep this series

Beasly goes deep again, where did this guy come from. He has def earned a spot in the lineup and his conference statistics are outstanding.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 21, 2008, 03:26:04 PM
UT Tyler defeat Ozarks 2-1. Dixon and Holland both threw well. Holland moved to 6-0 on the year.

Texas Lutheran defeated Howard Payne 5-3
Brad Wesson was the winning pitcher. Robert Conley got the save.

Can't find live stats for the UT Dallas vs. Mississippi game or the McMurry vs. UMHB game.

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on March 21, 2008, 04:20:31 PM
Schreiner 4, HSU 3 in 11 innings
CTX 11, SRSU 3
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on March 21, 2008, 04:22:47 PM
MCM 3, UMHB 0 F
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on March 21, 2008, 04:27:13 PM
Up-to-date standings going into game three. Game three of these series' are going to be HUGE.

Mary Hardin-Baylor   6-2
Howard Payne   5-3
Concordia   5-3
McMurry   5-3
Schreiner   4-4
Hardin-Simmons   3-5
Texas Lutheran   3-5
Sul Ross State   1-7
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 21, 2008, 04:33:50 PM
HPU is up 8-2 on TLU in the 3rd (I think) of the 2nd game.

The TLU radio guy isn't exactly the greatest so it's hard to follow him except when he's yelling at the ump on the air.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 21, 2008, 04:37:02 PM
Wow TLU is in a tailspin, not living up to the preseason favorites.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 21, 2008, 04:39:52 PM
The game was close before TLU's starting pitcher went out with an injury after a play at the plate when an HPU player slid into him.  After that TLU went downhill.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 21, 2008, 06:23:56 PM
Quote from: dballa on March 21, 2008, 04:33:50 PM
HPU is up 8-2 on TLU in the 3rd (I think) of the 2nd game.

The TLU radio guy isn't exactly the greatest so it's hard to follow him except when he's yelling at the ump on the air.

I have been listening to the Ozarks/Tyler game, and the Trinity/Southwestern game, but after your comment I couldn't resist tuning in for a bit.

You're right. I realize it's division III baseball, but there has to be some level of impartiality.  He's been yelling at the umpires all game. In addition to that he's critiquing the TLU team on air. He's claiming that every hitter is taking over-anxious swings, and has told nearly every hitter in the TLU lineup to "Come On" at least once.

It's one thing noting that a hitter reached at pitch or that a hitter has a tendency to chase bad pitches or strike out alot, but I find it hard to believe that everyone that flies out on a 2-0 pitch has a bad approach at the plate. I guess that goes back to being impartial.

When I listen to a game I want to know a.) what's going on in terms of the play by play and b.) other things about the players and teams that I might find interesting that would add to the game. What's a guy hitting with runners in scoring position if he comes up with runners on? How has the new pitcher thrown this year? In his last few outings? Make me feel like I'm there watching it.

In the announcer's defense, it's very tough with a one man crew to stay on top of everything, but I can expect an impartial approach.

JSG




Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 21, 2008, 06:29:56 PM
With two outs and a 3-1 lead Booher gave up a single and a walk.  He was lifted for Colby Munchrath who walked pinch-hitter Cameron, and then gave up a 2 RBI double to Broussard. Munchrath was then lifted for Lex Wolfe who promptly hit the next two hitters to give Ozarks a 4-3 lead before Josh Long came in to record the final out of the 7th.

Tyler still has a great weekend rotation, but they are certainly missing their DEEP bullpen that featured Nate Jennings, Greg Johnson, Patrick McClure, Michael Stutts and Blake Burnett.

UPDATE: Clay Baker hit a 2 -run HR to put Tyler back up 1.
UPDATE: Robby Finnell answers with a 2-run HR of his own to put Ozarks up 1 in the top of the 8th off of Beau Ziegler.
UPDATE: Brad Broussard makes back to back errors at 3B. Farra then hit an RBI 2B and then Braden came around to score to a passed ball.

Didn't show the last out on the play-by-play, but UT Tyler hangs on to win 7-6 to take the series 2-1. Possibly the best series you'll see in the ASC this year. After watching both of these staffs, I think they're definitely the best two teams in the ASC.

UPDATE: Texas Lutheran has scored a few runs in the bottom of the 8th. Lots of yelling so I don't know what's going on, but I think it's 17-12 Bulldogs favor. Sounded like they got fired up after head coach Greg Burnett got tossed.
UPDATE: I believe TLU ended up scoring 12 runs in the 8th to take a 24-12 lead.

TLU: 24-22-4
HPU: 12-15-3

TLU wins the series 2-1.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 21, 2008, 07:16:59 PM
I had to leave work and didn't get to listen past the 6th inning.  HPU isn't deep at all in pitching so with playing 9 innings in the 3rd game it really wears them down.


And I told you about the radio guy :)  it's ok to root for your team but there's a line somewhere that he crossed when yelling out certain things.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 21, 2008, 07:26:15 PM
Concordia defeated Sul Ross 8-5 to take that rubber game, and Schreiner swepth the DH from Hardin Simmons today with a 4-1 CG one-hitter from starter Kevin Jones.
UMHB defeated McMurry 11-6. No details yet.

Here are the updated West Standings thus far:

Mary Hardin-Baylor   7-2
Concordia   6-3
McMurry   5-4
Howard Payne   5-4
Schreiner   5-4
Texas Lutheran   4-5
Hardin-Simmons   3-6
Sul Ross State   1-8

Pretty muddled race right now.

Here's the updated East Standings:

Texas-Tyler 5-1
La. College 5-1
Miss. College 7-2
Ozarks 6-3
East Texas Baptist 1-6
Texas-Dallas 1-8
LeTourneau 0-4

Looks like the four playoff spots in the East might already be locked up. I can't believe that UT Dallas has struggled to this extent. I know they lost ALOT, and that their early season schedule was relatively soft but they did sweep a fairly competitive HPU team, beat Southwestern a couple of times, and defeated Marietta.

Their pitching has been a little better than I anticipated, but offensively I guess their numbers at the beginning of the year were inflated due to their soft-schedule. They did lose a phenomenal offensive team last year.

JSG


Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Sader22 on March 22, 2008, 01:16:32 AM
Ok your right I did take it a little far with the monkey comment and I apologize, I guess I was just kind of tired of some people and remember I do say some people not giving credit where credit is due.  Ohh yes and I was there at the times when CTX did woop us every single year and it looks like those days are behind us.  So apologize for any wrong things I might have said just trying to represent my alma mater. 

Champion is a good friend of mine to and I was just joking as well, this is all for fun and games not trying to permanently piss anybody off.  What I should of said about Villegas is he is from what I have seen out of him in person he is better than anybody in D3 I have seen or played against at this point so that is the way I should have said those things. 

And again I apologize for the monkey comment should not have said that.

I agree that the Krogs and people like that in this conference did make a name for this conference but come on that was a while back im sure anybody in this message board could have done the same if we all got to play 9 seasons in the same conference. 

My prediction was right the CRU 2 of 3 from McMurry
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Sader22 on March 22, 2008, 03:52:02 AM
Ohh yes one more thing is anybody as excited as I am that TLU is not living up to there beloved name in the ASC, I know im not the only one that was tired of hearing about TLU year in and year out.  Its about time they start talking about other teams in the conference. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 22, 2008, 04:12:04 AM
Quote from: Sader22 on March 22, 2008, 03:52:02 AM
Ohh yes one more thing is anybody as excited as I am that TLU is not living up to there beloved name in the ASC, I know im not the only one that was tired of hearing about TLU year in and year out.  Its about time they start talking about other teams in the conference. 

I am glad that there seems to be a bit of parity in the West this year and that it should make for a really interesting race for playoff spots (and positioning) down the stretch.

Other teams have emerged and grown their programs, and in doing so seem to have shifted the balance of power just a bit. By all accounts TLU and UT Dallas are also having down years and that has contributed to that fact.

As far as talking about other teams in the conference, well that comes with winning. That's what Ozarks and UMHB are doing this year that they haven't necessarily done in the past. It becomes easy to hear about TLU because they became the safest pick because they've won the West regular season every year since 2001 with the exception of the 2004 year.

UMHB caused a little buzz last year when they broke the mold of TLU, MCM,CUA and HSU being the top four teams in the conference every year since 2003. It got easy to say well we'll see those 4 teams and Mississippi College and Dallas in the postseason. Last year you saw the power beginning to switch just a bit, and now it seems as though there might be even more parity.

It should continue to be a fun season to watch from a fans perspective.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseballfan24 on March 22, 2008, 01:00:37 PM
Quote from: Sader22 on March 22, 2008, 01:16:32 AM
Ok your right I did take it a little far with the monkey comment and I apologize, I guess I was just kind of tired of some people and remember I do say some people not giving credit where credit is due.  Ohh yes and I was there at the times when CTX did woop us every single year and it looks like those days are behind us.  So apologize for any wrong things I might have said just trying to represent my alma mater. 

Champion is a good friend of mine to and I was just joking as well, this is all for fun and games not trying to permanently piss anybody off.  What I should of said about Villegas is he is from what I have seen out of him in person he is better than anybody in D3 I have seen or played against at this point so that is the way I should have said those things. 

And again I apologize for the monkey comment should not have said that.


I agree that the Krogs and people like that in this conference did make a name for this conference but come on that was a while back im sure anybody in this message board could have done the same if we all got to play 9 seasons in the same conference. 

My prediction was right the CRU 2 of 3 from McMurry



I agree that Villegas is good player, and when his time is up he will have put up some big numbers.  That being said, I don't know that it is fair to say he is the best to play in D3.  Does nobody here remeber a player by the name of Aaron Crais?  That guy dominated pitching in the ASC for four years.  I also think that your eyesight is a little narrow.  There are some pretty good players on the west coast. 

I am not saying this to be rude, I know that you said he is the best player you have seen, but who have you seen?  Josh Lee, a former McMurry pitcher/hitter was also a very good player.  As was Carrizales and Erickson for McMurry, Simpson for Hardin-Simmons, Kaase for TLU, Amyx at Tyler, White and Berkman at Concordia, and almost every hitter in the UTD lineup the last 2 season (Rosen, Elizondo, Bird, Elliot to name a few).  There have been many good players to come through the ASC so I have a hard time saying the Villegas is the best in D3 (AND I HAVE SEEN HIM PLAY).  But you are right, he is VERY GOOD.  It is definitely a fair statement to say he is one of the best hitters in the ASC right now.  There is no arguement for that.   It will be fun to see his final numbers at the end of his career to see how they compare to some of the hitters in the past that have good numbers.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: strosfan1 on March 22, 2008, 03:25:17 PM
I happen to know the radio announcer for TLU.  Number 1, he is a 22 year old college student who is learning the business.  I told him about all this and this just tells you the man that he is, "they are entitled to their opinion.  I thank them for listening and if I want to be in this business I am going to have to learn how to take criticism from listeners."  He went on to say, "Ken the Hawk Harrelson for the Chicago White Sox said, if you have half the people that hate you and half the people that love you.  You're doing your job."  Now for you guys, maybe he is a little partial to TLU, last time I checked he does not broadcast to you.  Get a life, find a hobby, and stop livig your life by D3 baseball.  It takes a man to get behind the mic and he is not Vin Scully, Milo Hamilton, or Joe Buck.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 22, 2008, 05:03:35 PM
Quote from: strosfan1 on March 22, 2008, 03:25:17 PM
... I am going to have to learn how to take criticism from listeners."  He went on to say, "Ken the Hawk Harrelson for the Chicago White Sox said, if you have half the people that hate you and half the people that love you.  You're doing your job."  ...
Somewhere in his career, his station owner will tell him that one listener likes him and the other listener doesn't.

Then the station owner will tell him that the problem is that the advertisers would like another 5,000 listeners for that game.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 22, 2008, 05:48:48 PM
Quote from: strosfan1 on March 22, 2008, 03:25:17 PM
I happen to know the radio announcer for TLU.  Number 1, he is a 22 year old college student who is learning the business.  I told him about all this and this just tells you the man that he is, "they are entitled to their opinion.  I thank them for listening and if I want to be in this business I am going to have to learn how to take criticism from listeners."  He went on to say, "Ken the Hawk Harrelson for the Chicago White Sox said, if you have half the people that hate you and half the people that love you.  You're doing your job."  Now for you guys, maybe he is a little partial to TLU, last time I checked he does not broadcast to you.  Get a life, find a hobby, and stop livig your life by D3 baseball.  It takes a man to get behind the mic and he is not Vin Scully, Milo Hamilton, or Joe Buck.

Couple of things here.

1.) I whole-heartily agree with your number one. The fact that it's a student learning the business entitles him to some slack. I think it is cool that they allow the students to get involved and have the opportunity to get valuable on air experience.

2.) How many on-air personalities get mentioned on forums? Probably not a whole lot, he should consider himself lucky. I've seen the Marietta guys mentioned before - and rightfully so, those guys are good. I've enjoyed the Trinity guys in the past well.

3.) What he should do, provided he even ever reads this board, is to read between the lines of the criticism and try to become better on the air. Just because it might've been an abrasive approach (and I don't know that it was) doesn't mean that the critic isn't right about some things when you read in between the lines. He should take what he can from the criticism and ignore the rest.

4.) I don't think anyone expects any D3 radio personality, SIDs, even local radio crews to be anything close to the guys you mentioned, but aspiring to be those guys probably does mean being more impartial on the air. That's just the nature of the job - at least at the next level.

5.) Why attack him just because he attacked the the on-air personality. I understand sticking up for your friends, but there's no need to tell someone to get a life, hobby, etc.  If you follow these boards at all you will see that one of my hobbies is following division 3 baseball, and why not? It's a great sport with great young men competing, most often without the allure of the big bucks and no athletic scholarships, but because they love the game.

And truth be told, he is broadcasting to him. He is broadcasting to anyone who tunes in, and that's something to take heed of. If TLU is still the playoff hunt down the stretch you can bet they'll be plenty of people from other teams tuning in to see how the Bulldogs will effect their own playoff aspirations. He's NEVER just broadcasting to TLU fans, and if that's his mindset it's flawed.

6.) I'll tell you what - I'll just send you a pm.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Sader22 on March 22, 2008, 08:48:58 PM
Quote from: baseballfan24 on March 22, 2008, 01:00:37 PM
Quote from: Sader22 on March 22, 2008, 01:16:32 AM
Ok your right I did take it a little far with the monkey comment and I apologize, I guess I was just kind of tired of some people and remember I do say some people not giving credit where credit is due.  Ohh yes and I was there at the times when CTX did woop us every single year and it looks like those days are behind us.  So apologize for any wrong things I might have said just trying to represent my alma mater. 

Champion is a good friend of mine to and I was just joking as well, this is all for fun and games not trying to permanently piss anybody off.  What I should of said about Villegas is he is from what I have seen out of him in person he is better than anybody in D3 I have seen or played against at this point so that is the way I should have said those things. 

And again I apologize for the monkey comment should not have said that.


I agree that the Krogs and people like that in this conference did make a name for this conference but come on that was a while back im sure anybody in this message board could have done the same if we all got to play 9 seasons in the same conference. 

My prediction was right the CRU 2 of 3 from McMurry



I agree that Villegas is good player, and when his time is up he will have put up some big numbers.  That being said, I don't know that it is fair to say he is the best to play in D3.  Does nobody here remeber a player by the name of Aaron Crais?  That guy dominated pitching in the ASC for four years.  I also think that your eyesight is a little narrow.  There are some pretty good players on the west coast. 

I am not saying this to be rude, I know that you said he is the best player you have seen, but who have you seen?  Josh Lee, a former McMurry pitcher/hitter was also a very good player.  As was Carrizales and Erickson for McMurry, Simpson for Hardin-Simmons, Kaase for TLU, Amyx at Tyler, White and Berkman at Concordia, and almost every hitter in the UTD lineup the last 2 season (Rosen, Elizondo, Bird, Elliot to name a few).  There have been many good players to come through the ASC so I have a hard time saying the Villegas is the best in D3 (AND I HAVE SEEN HIM PLAY).  But you are right, he is VERY GOOD.  It is definitely a fair statement to say he is one of the best hitters in the ASC right now.  There is no arguement for that.   It will be fun to see his final numbers at the end of his career to see how they compare to some of the hitters in the past that have good numbers.



Ohh no I guess im being not clear enough and should probably clarify what im trying to say, at this point from what little I have seen in Villegas I beileve has the potential to be up there with those guys or even better.  I played against all of those guys and they were all great players, I think they were all good I would have to disagree with Simpson I think he was way overrated. I do however agree with all the rest of the guys you mentioned. 

Josh Lee is probably my pick for the best I have seen in our conference.  Ohh yeah and for Hambone I also hit a Bomb off the great Josh Lee.  Just thought I would throw that in there and I know for a fact Hambone hit way more Bombs than I did. 

Dont get me wrong just stating that I think he has the Potential to be the best the conference has seen.  I as well cant wait to see what his career numbers end up being.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 23, 2008, 08:55:37 PM
My picks for next weekend:

Ozarks sweeps LeTourneau
Mary Hardin-Baylor sweeps Texas Lutheran
Texas-Tyler sweeps Texas-Dallas
Louisiana College takes 2 from East Texas Baptist
Hardin-Simmons takes 2 from Concordia-Texas
Howard Payne takes 2 from Sul Ross State
McMurry sweeps Schreiner
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 24, 2008, 01:31:10 AM
Quote from: CUAfan on March 23, 2008, 08:55:37 PM
My picks for next weekend:
Hardin-Simmons takes 2 from Concordia-Texas

CUAfan,

I'd be interested in hearing a little commentary regarding your rationale on this one. Not because I disagree, but primarily because I thought it was an interesting pic. (You might know something I don't).

Think HSU is bouncing back strong looking for revenge after dropping two to Schreiner? Seems to me some of the HSU hitters that started off really hot are settling down around where we can expect. The most runs they've scored is 6 in conference, and CUA usually swings it well. If they have to out hit them, they might be in trouble.

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 24, 2008, 11:12:34 AM
Sure, no problem JSG.

After last weekend, CTX and HSU had second-order winning percentages of .660 and .541, respectively. Using a formula I found here (http://www.diamond-mind.com/articles/playoff2002.htm), I figured up that on a neutral site, CTX would have a 62% chance of winning any single game against HSU...but it's not at a neutral site. Because these particular games are being played in Abilene, I used a method (also described in the link above) to give HSU a boost for playing at home (.129 to be specific), which wound up giving HSU a 51.1% chance of winning any single game at home against CTX. With the odds ever so slightly in HSU's favor by the numbers, but since it's so close to being even, my gut says HSU finds a way to take 2 games but that CTX "beats the odds" and wins one. It wouldn't shock me in the least if CTX won 2 or swept though.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 24, 2008, 12:19:49 PM
Well I got a formula for you, Concordia takes 2 of 3. and that took me about 5 seconds to figure out.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseballfan24 on March 24, 2008, 02:09:24 PM
Sader,

Fair enough I can't argue with you there.  He definitely might be one of the best when he is done.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 24, 2008, 04:40:59 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on March 24, 2008, 11:12:34 AM
With the odds ever so slightly in HSU's favor by the numbers, but since it's so close to being even, my gut says HSU finds a way to take 2 games but that CTX "beats the odds" and wins one. It wouldn't shock me in the least if CTX won 2 or swept though.

i think you are confusing yourself with all these stupid formulas you use. knowone cares about all these formulas you find or even come up with. and if you are eventing formulas, thats awesome! You should be teaching at MIT or something like that, talking formulas to people who enjoy talking about formulas. the only result from formulas we care about are W-L!!...."you wouldn't be surprised if CTX swept" but your predicting them to lose 2? this makes no sense. you like to leave yourself a way out in every prediction you make, unless HSU sweeps because thats the only combination you left out!! i respect your predictions and all the research you do. but come on, more baseball and less quantitative methods please.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 24, 2008, 04:58:01 PM
Quote from: Sader22 on March 22, 2008, 01:16:32 AM
Ok your right I did take it a little far with the monkey comment and I apologize, I guess I was just kind of tired of some people and remember I do say some people not giving credit where credit is due.  Ohh yes and I was there at the times when CTX did woop us every single year and it looks like those days are behind us.  So apologize for any wrong things I might have said just trying to represent my alma mater. 

Champion is a good friend of mine to and I was just joking as well, this is all for fun and games not trying to permanently piss anybody off.  What I should of said about Villegas is he is from what I have seen out of him in person he is better than anybody in D3 I have seen or played against at this point so that is the way I should have said those things. 

And again I apologize for the monkey comment should not have said that.

I agree that the Krogs and people like that in this conference did make a name for this conference but come on that was a while back im sure anybody in this message board could have done the same if we all got to play 9 seasons in the same conference. 

My prediction was right the CRU 2 of 3 from McMurry

Sader22, couple of things...

First of all referring to current or past CTX players as "a bunch of monkeys" is a little below the belt....but if you are ok going to sleep at night knowing that the same bunch of monkeys beat you into submission several times, then dream about monkeys beating you.  

Secondly Justin Champion played in my Highschool district and my College Conference.  I respect him as a player and a person, both on and off the field, I believe Ill leave it at that...

Third of all, Joseph V. has put up some great #'s for the Crusaders thus far, especially as an under-classmen.  Please know that you made the comment that he is better than anyone you have seen or played against in D3...well maybe if you guys had won a few more games and played in the post-season a little bit then you would have seen a little more of the talent out there, but you didnt and all the monkeys did.  If Joseph V. hits .350+ with 10+ doubles, 8+ Hr's, with 40+ RBI's for the next 2 seasons he will no doubt be amongst some of the best that have played in the ASC as far....but as being the best in D3, he will need to do something miraculous like turn water into wine...Until then just know that Jason Armstrong, John Krog, Josh Lee, and several Monkeys are already on that list that performed well for 4 years.


Make it a great day.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 24, 2008, 05:00:30 PM
hambone,

we are way past everything you just talked about. pay attention.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 24, 2008, 05:05:44 PM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on March 24, 2008, 12:19:49 PM
Well I got a formula for you, Concordia takes 2 of 3. and that took me about 5 seconds to figure out.



can you please explain to the crowd how exactly you came up with this prediction Blackcat00?  what formula did you use?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 24, 2008, 05:06:49 PM
Quote from: Bman3 on March 24, 2008, 05:00:30 PM
hambone,

we are way past everything you just talked about. pay attention.

Well i am too busy living in the past Bman3...eat me
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 24, 2008, 05:14:22 PM
Quote from: Bman3 on March 24, 2008, 04:40:59 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on March 24, 2008, 11:12:34 AM
With the odds ever so slightly in HSU's favor by the numbers, but since it's so close to being even, my gut says HSU finds a way to take 2 games but that CTX "beats the odds" and wins one. It wouldn't shock me in the least if CTX won 2 or swept though.

i think you are confusing yourself with all these stupid formulas you use. knowone cares about all these formulas you find or even come up with. and if you are eventing formulas, thats awesome! You should be teaching at MIT or something like that, talking formulas to people who enjoy talking about formulas. the only result from formulas we care about are W-L!!...."you wouldn't be surprised if CTX swept" but your predicting them to lose 2? this makes no sense. you like to leave yourself a way out in every prediction you make, unless HSU sweeps because thats the only combination you left out!! i respect your predictions and all the research you do. but come on, more baseball and less quantitative methods please.

I personally like tendency charts for both hitters and pitchers, but all these formulas do is break down the stats even further but dont really have any real meaning to the majority of readers.  as with the rest of the readers, we I do appreciate all the hard work that alot of you do to come up with different statistics and rankings, and we all have our roles on this board.  some to waste time doing math, some waste time talking trash, some to waste time giveing credit where credit is due, and some to waste time getting their feelings hurt....either way we are all wasting time, and I enjoy reading it while wasting my own time. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 24, 2008, 06:04:05 PM
I used the quantitative literacy methods that Professor "who cares" at CU taught us our senior year.

I really think Concordia is hot after getting dismantled in brownwood. This is the time of year Gardner turns it on and I think he really lit a fire under this team. They are going to score runs no doubt, and with Morrison mowing them down last week with an almost record setting night I see him having a great outing.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Sader22 on March 25, 2008, 02:07:18 AM
Ok I already apologized for my previous comments that i had written if you would take the time and actually read the post that you are replying to then maybe you would know what is going on.  So if you want to know what I said last then go back and read my last post. 

So go back and read and then you can make a worth while statement.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 25, 2008, 01:42:58 PM
Quote from: Sader22 on March 25, 2008, 02:07:18 AM
Ok I already apologized for my previous comments that i had written if you would take the time and actually read the post that you are replying to then maybe you would know what is going on.  So if you want to know what I said last then go back and read my last post. 

So go back and read and then you can make a worth while statement.


ok i will.  go ahead and cry some more while i take the time to actually read what you have to say.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 25, 2008, 02:39:42 PM
Games Today:

SAGU @ UMHB in Belton, TX (2 p.m.)

Texas-Tyler @ Austin College in Sherman, TX (6 p.m.)

McMurry @ Trinity in San Antonio, TX (2 p.m.)

HSU @  Lubbock Christian in Lubbock, TX (6 p.m.)

Wiley College @ ETBU in Longview, TX (2 p.m.)

MC @ Rhodes in Memphis, TN (3 p.m.)



UO @ Hendrix in Conway, AR (6 p.m.)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 25, 2008, 03:01:34 PM
The CRU moved up a few spots in the polls today.  here is the link. 

http://www.umhb.edu/athletics/news/8043 (http://www.umhb.edu/athletics/news/8043)

Kudos to them for their continuing success during this 2008 season.  I am interested to see how bad they whoop that Stacked SAGU squad today.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: historymajor on March 25, 2008, 03:13:13 PM
Trinity McM feed live at http://secure.stretchinternet.com/demo/games.php?user=trinity&o=cal_stamp
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fungoman on March 25, 2008, 06:37:40 PM
Hello everyone, I am a longtime reader, but a first time poster as you can see.

Just a few comments...Why in the world is everyone on here chatting up Concordia when they get back on track vs Sul Ross, but nothing is said after 2 losses to HPU?

Next....Why in the world are we not ever talking about the East? UT Tyler and Ozarks played the best series of the year last weekend, and all anyone wants to talk about is Concordia. The east may just be the better division, and they get no love? Where is it?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 25, 2008, 06:56:29 PM
Quote from: fungoman on March 25, 2008, 06:37:40 PM
Hello everyone, I am a longtime reader, but a first time poster as you can see.

Just a few comments...Why in the world is everyone on here chatting up Concordia when they get back on track vs Sul Ross, but nothing is said after 2 losses to HPU?

Next....Why in the world are we not ever talking about the East? UT Tyler and Ozarks played the best series of the year last weekend, and all anyone wants to talk about is Concordia. The east may just be the better division, and they get no love? Where is it?

Start loving on the east side then big guy....obviously concordia has some fans that post some biased threads on here, so if you would like to start a different conversation then stop reading and start participating.

Im pretty sure it was brought up that the CTX vs HPU was a circus of a series and i dont remember reading anyone saying anything Concordia getting back on track vs Sul Ross....I think they got back on track when they shutout and pumbled Southwestern the monday after 11-0.  If anyone got jocked for beating a SRSU team it was UMHB as they got hitter and pitcher of the week the weekend they swept the Lobos.

whos your team Fungoman?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 25, 2008, 07:47:30 PM
Talk up the East when they finally do something, as far as HPU give credit when credit is due. HPU is a football school, or they use to be.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: PeytonLow on March 25, 2008, 08:01:28 PM
UT Tyler-Austin College live stats:

http://uttyler.cstv.com/gametracker/launch/gt_mbasebl.html?event=656172&school=txty&sport=mbasebl&camefrom=&startschool=& (http://uttyler.cstv.com/gametracker/launch/gt_mbasebl.html?event=656172&school=txty&sport=mbasebl&camefrom=&startschool=&)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fungoman on March 25, 2008, 10:48:41 PM
How do you figure 38-1 last year, and being a top 5 team in the nation this year is doing nothing?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 25, 2008, 11:11:23 PM
Quote from: fungoman on March 25, 2008, 06:37:40 PM
Hello everyone, I am a longtime reader, but a first time poster as you can see.

Just a few comments...Why in the world is everyone on here chatting up Concordia when they get back on track vs Sul Ross, but nothing is said after 2 losses to HPU?

Next....Why in the world are we not ever talking about the East? UT Tyler and Ozarks played the best series of the year last weekend, and all anyone wants to talk about is Concordia. The east may just be the better division, and they get no love? Where is it?

1.) For one, 4 of the 7-8 or so primary posters of late are Concordia alumni/fans (bman, CUAfan, Blackcat & Hambone). I suspect that's why there's been a lot of chatter about CUA, but they have some things worth chatting about. Tom Williams' season thus far? Justin Beasley's emergence and conference statistics so far? Maybe the fact that they're probably a playoff team this year after their absence last year?

2.) The West is still the stronger conference. It just is. The east started closing the gap a bit last year, after it had been years of Mississippi College and UT Dallas being the primary playoff contenders (with ETBU's strong season thrown in the mix, and now Tyler's emergence). Even now, I think only Tyler and Ozarks pose any threat to the teams in the West. Lousiana College and Mississippi College, in my honest opinion, would not make the playoffs in the West. That 5-1 LA College team that swept UT Dallas (they're really down this year), lost 2 out of 3 at home to a Texas Lutheran team that has been struggling all year.

You cannot argue with the success or the talent of that Tyler team last year. The one difference? *Hint* It's not Brett Amyx. The main difference is that they do not have near the depth in the bullpen that they had last year (and I made a post about that fairly recently). Those weekend guys have been phenomenal, but in a tournament structure they have to be a little worried about depth. Their lack of depth is evidenced by all the mid-week losses they've already suffered this year, including the one to Austin College tonight.

3.) If you're Clay Bakers' Dad, he's having a great season and should be commended for that.

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 25, 2008, 11:26:31 PM
Quote from: fungoman on March 25, 2008, 10:48:41 PM
How do you figure 38-1 last year, and being a top 5 team in the nation this year is doing nothing?


Hey Fungoguy ... the west dominates the east every year.  Not to mention the East side has more state schools vs all the private schools in the West....keep in mind D3 has no athletic scholarships making it that much tougher for expensive private schools to recruit quality players. I guess Texas-Tyler is your team?  Here are the facts.

YEAR   ASC CHAMPION    REGIONAL PARTICIPANT           COLLEGE WORLD SERIES    
1997       HPU                                  N/A
1998     McMurry                          McMurry
1999      SRSU                               SRSU
2000        SU                                   N/A
2001    McMurry                    McMurry Univeristy
2002       CTX                        Concordia University              Concordia University
2003       MC                         Mississippi College
2004    McMurry                          McMurry
2005      TLU                                  TLU
2006      TLU                                  TLU  
2007      TLU                         TLU and UTD


I only see 2 East side schools listed on this list. MC and UTD.  University of Dallas would have dominated the east side and no doubt the ASC tournament but they went independent.  Now not to take anything away from UTT, UTD, UO, LC who are all having great years with some great ballplayers, but only 1 team can win the conference and with the exception of UTT there wont be any at large bids given to any other schools that dont win the conference.  

Oh yeah SADER22.....I do not believe I see UMHB anywhere near that list.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 25, 2008, 11:52:51 PM
UMHB has made some substantial investments in their athletic programs, all across the board.

I will wager that UMHB wins a mythical Presidential trophy in 2008-09.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 26, 2008, 12:26:17 AM
Quote from: HAMBONE on March 25, 2008, 11:26:31 PM
but only 1 team can win the conference and with the exception of UTT there wont be any at large bids given to any other schools that dont win the conference.  

I would be a little hesistant to rule the Ozarks completely out from an at large bid after the year they have been having, though their loss to Hendrix tonight and the fact that they have played a lot of South Region teams (Millsaps, Rhodes) in non-conference play as opposed to West Region teams might make that statement relatively true.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 26, 2008, 03:26:52 AM
Quote from: HAMBONE on March 25, 2008, 02:39:42 PM
Games Today:

SAGU @ UMHB in Belton, TX (2 p.m.)

Texas-Tyler @ Austin College in Sherman, TX (6 p.m.)

McMurry @ Trinity in San Antonio, TX (2 p.m.)

HSU @  Lubbock Christian in Lubbock, TX (6 p.m.)

Wiley College @ ETBU in Longview, TX (2 p.m.)

MC @ Rhodes in Memphis, TN (3 p.m.)



UO @ Hendrix in Conway, AR (6 p.m.)

#18 UMHB beat SAGU 20-10; I think their softball team could run-rule that bowl of Spaghetti.  Not a very strong weekday opponent this late in the season in my eyes.  I think an intrasquad hitters scrimmage would have benefitted  them more.  TLU normally starts the season off 10-0 with decieving wins against these NCCAA teams and multiple games against HT.  But everyone likes to pad their stats, so i guess this was actually a strategicly scheduled game.  Genius!  We will see how they defend themselves this weekend against those hungry TLU bulldogs searching for some identity in the race for the west.  If TLU can pull off 2 or 3 wins, we may have ourselves a downright dog-fight on our hands. 

Austin College beat #5 UTT 8-7; Joey Ziegler got the loss.  Tough loss for the patriots.  They've added a few digits to their loss column lately.  I guess they are beatable after all.  Good I can sleep now.

Trinity beat McMurry 9-8 scoring 7 runs in the 7th and 8th innings to take the win.  Looks like this could be a foreshadow of the McMurry's lack of pitching depth if they have to come through the losers bracket of the Regional.  Looks like it was a pretty good weekday matchup.  The indians are playing some solid baseball right now and Derrick David is still swinging it well hitting his 11th HR of the season.  This weekend the Indians face off with a SU team that is lingering around the West Conf. Standings...I pray every night before I go to bed that SU found a Sands Resort in Abilene to lounge at all week after sweeping the DH from HSU...But they probably didnt and will have to make that long drive back up there to get pumbled this weekend...will D.David apprach Josh Lee's single season conf record of 17 Homeruns?

Lubbock Christian rolled HSU 12-1.  LCU is 29-1.  The Cowgirls have lost 3 in a row.  They appear to be up and down this year.  I guess that is a direct reflection of the caliber of pitching and pitching depth in the west.  Will they eat their wheaties before CTX rolls into Town?  This is an important weekend for both clubs.  No weekday game for the Tornados this week, they will be fresh; should be a fun series to watch.

ETBU beat Wiley College 6-5 with a 9th inning Homerun.  Great win for ETBU.  even though they are out of the race for the east noone gives up their pride out of respect for the game.  With LC and MC still on their plate im hoping they can muster up some gonads and give these ASC tournament bound teams some losses.

Rhodes beat MC scoring 3 runs in the bottom of the 9th.  This also could be a potential matchup in the regional.

Overall looked like there were some pretty good weekday matchups today.  Late inning wins prove 1 of 2 things or a combination of both....either lackof pitching depth in bullpens after the traditional 3 game series or the good teams are peaking out at the proper time heading into the home stretch of the season...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 26, 2008, 10:16:06 AM
When it comes to the HR race, don't forget that Tom Williams has 11 (or was it 12?) as well.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 26, 2008, 10:27:20 AM
Time for new sets of team and player rankings in the various stats I've posted before, through last weekend's games. I've actually got some new ones as well. I found the formula to do BaseRuns for pitchers, which I then translated to BaseRuns/9IP, or BaseRun Average (BsRA). Also, I figured up VORP (http://www.stathead.com/bbeng/woolner/vorpdescnew.htm) for both hitters and pitchers, operating under the assumption that the theoretical "replacement level" will be roughly as far below average as in MLB.

Team Speed
Mary Hardin-Baylor - 9.02
Texas-Tyler - 8.53
Mississippi College - 8.33
Ozarks - 8.05
Howard Payne - 7.98

Team Defense
Texas-Tyler - .689
Mary Hardin-Baylor - .686
Ozarks - .683
Texas-Dallas - .679
Hardin-Simmons - .675

Team DICE
Texas-Tyler - 3.07
Louisiana College - 3.34
Ozarks - 3.45
Schreiner - 4.18 (yeah, I was surprised too)
Texas-Dallas - 4.23

Team BsRA
Texas-Tyler - 3.54
Ozarks - 3.82
Texas-Dallas - 4.91
Louisiana College - 5.13
Mississippi College - 5.34

Team BsR/PA
Texas-Tyler - .223
Concordia-Texas - .211
McMurry - .211
Mary Hardin-Baylor - .209
Ozarks - .207
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fungoman on March 26, 2008, 10:31:18 AM
While it might hurt in the regional structure...the bullpen depth of Tyler will not hurt them in the ASC, or the ASC tournament. That is unless they drop a game early in the 2nd round and have to come out of the loser's bracket. This starting rotation is easily the best in the conference, but I have to agree that the bullpen depth might come back to hurt them at some point.

Ralph Turner...did you make the UMHB Mcm series? I would like to see your take on UMHB this year if possible. I might have to see if I can catch a game this weekend in the TLU series.

HAMBONE...I am a UT Tyler Alum.

Top to bottom I agree the west is stronger. But we still shouldn't take away from arguably the two best teams in this conference in the East.

Another comment to you CUA fans...Good luck the next three weekends.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 26, 2008, 10:42:53 AM
Okay, now for the player top 5's. BTW, there are separate VORP lists for SP and RP, a trend I may follow with the other pitching stats in coming weeks.

DICE
B. Holland, UTT - 1.59, 47.2 IP
B. Ziegler, UTT - 1.88, 22.1
C. Dixon, UO - 2.32, 42.2
T. Brooks, LC - 2.74, 38.0
C. Curry, MCM - 2.74, 38.0

BsRA
B. Morgan, LC - 0.88, 15.0 IP
C. Dixon, UO - 1.43, 42.2
B. Holland, UTT - 2.41, 47.2
B. Ziegler, UTT - 2.44, 22.1
B. Booher, UTT - 2.45, 44.2

Starter VORP
M. Cox, UTD - 38.89
B. Booher, UTT - 38.36
C. Dixon, UO - 36.15
B. Holland, UTT - 31.68
K. Jones, SU - 29.52

Reliever VORP
K. Barton, HSU - 25.03
J. Valentine, UTD - 20.03
B. Morgan, LC - 16.01
B. Ziegler, UTT - 14.83
J. Alcorn, HSU - 14.48

Speed
K. Harvey, TLU - 13.92
J. Villegas, UMHB - 13.87
L. Jones, MCM - 13.28
A. White, UMHB - 13.13
C. Baker, UTT - 12.68

BsR/PA
T. Williams, CTX - .348, 103 PA
D. David, MCM - .299, 103
C. Briggs, UO - .298, 91
J. Villegas, UMHB - .288, 103
B. Cameron, UO - .288, 78

Hitter VORP
T. Williams, CTX - 29.70
D. David, MCM - 20.39
K. Fox, UTT - 17.71
C. Briggs, UO - 17.48
J. Villegas, UMHB - 17.08
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 26, 2008, 12:16:53 PM
it is very clear that UT-T has the best starting rotation in the conference. and it is also clear that few teams have a complete staff of starters and bullpen. when you look as the stats from CUAfan....looks like most of the good pitching is on the east side.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseballfan24 on March 26, 2008, 12:35:26 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on March 26, 2008, 10:27:20 AM
Time for new sets of team and player rankings in the various stats I've posted before, through last weekend's games. I've actually got some new ones as well. I found the formula to do BaseRuns for pitchers, which I then translated to BaseRuns/9IP, or BaseRun Average (BsRA). Also, I figured up VORP (http://www.stathead.com/bbeng/woolner/vorpdescnew.htm) for both hitters and pitchers, operating under the assumption that the theoretical "replacement level" will be roughly as far below average as in MLB.

Team Speed
Mary Hardin-Baylor - 9.02
Texas-Tyler - 8.53
Mississippi College - 8.33
Ozarks - 8.05
Howard Payne - 7.98

Team Defense
Texas-Tyler - .689
Mary Hardin-Baylor - .686
Ozarks - .683
Texas-Dallas - .679
Hardin-Simmons - .675

Team DICE
Texas-Tyler - 3.07
Louisiana College - 3.34
Ozarks - 3.45
Schreiner - 4.18 (yeah, I was surprised too)
Texas-Dallas - 4.23

Team BsRA
Texas-Tyler - 3.54
Ozarks - 3.82
Texas-Dallas - 4.91
Louisiana College - 5.13
Mississippi College - 5.34

Team BsR/PA
Texas-Tyler - .223
Concordia-Texas - .211
McMurry - .211
Mary Hardin-Baylor - .209
Ozarks - .207

CUA Fan,

I have followed baseball for quite sometime.  I have to say I don't have a clue what all these stats mean.  How is UMHB the top speed team (whatever that means) when TLU and Tyler are 1 and 2 in the conference in stolen bases.  That does not make sense to me.  Is it because of doubles and triples?  If that is the case do those stats not have more to do with where the ball is hit and how it is played by the defense than how fast a player is?

Also related to team defense, wouldn't simply listing the teams' fielding percentages give us a good idea of who plays quality defense and who does not.  I know that fielding percentage may not always be a completely accurate description of how teams play defense, but it is usually a pretty good teller.

If you get a chance, could you perhaps explain a little for those of us who do not know what these stats mean?

Thanks
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 26, 2008, 12:50:52 PM
it is an acronym for something, but i am not sure what.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 26, 2008, 01:05:25 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on March 18, 2008, 01:00:28 PM
The speed lists (team and player) use Baseball Prospectus' SPEED stat, the defensive efficiency numbers are the percentage of balls in the field of play that are turned into outs,

i think this is how the SPEED stat works.

CUAfan....is there anything else you could add? he is our webpage stat guy and knows more about these stats than most of us.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 26, 2008, 01:08:41 PM
his stats are a little more thorough than the regular stats.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 26, 2008, 01:40:18 PM
THE_CRU_05

where did you go? with the CRU making a name for themselves, you would think he would be blowing this board up. he must have been a one hit wonder like the CRU is going to be this year!!! it is your time to shine the_cru_05....better make it last while you can!!!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 26, 2008, 02:54:22 PM
Tom Williams has 12 I beleive, great midweek analysis Hambone. At least SAGU got rid of those god awful unis. Bman are  you turning on us now and getting brainwashed and looking at the game at a different perspective?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 26, 2008, 04:12:03 PM
browncat00.....some people aren't as fortunate as others to have been able to play this great game at a high level. it is nice to see the game being viewed in different perspectives. i think you need to look at yourself in the mirror and really look at the person you have become, not so nice :-[.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 26, 2008, 04:14:17 PM
THE_CRU_WHERE_ARE_YOU
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 26, 2008, 04:45:31 PM
Quote from: Bman3 on March 26, 2008, 04:14:17 PM
THE_CRU_WHERE_ARE_YOU


Bman3 quit posting useless posts just to become a STARTER.  you and I both know you are a second-stringer 4 life.  its cool< some people just dont have what it takes.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 26, 2008, 04:51:33 PM
Quote from: Bman3 on March 26, 2008, 04:14:17 PM
THE_CRU_WHERE_ARE_YOU


I think I hurt THE_CRU_05's feelings.  i got on him pretty hard for messing with Infielddad and JSG.  Im sure he is aware that if the Cru does actually make it to the championship game of the asc tournament that 1 of those east powerhouses will man-handle them.  where is that pansy?  light us up on this message board....we are ready for your cocky-typing to make us think differently about your club.  afterall they did put a beatdown on a strong NCCAA team last night.  maybe they will get an intramural championship t-shirt for their efforts?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fungoman on March 26, 2008, 07:33:41 PM
Seeing as though everyone wants to bash UMHB on here...I did a little research on a few of the comments made today.

The one hit wonder comment struck me weird...especially from a Concordia guru. I believe they made the postseason last year with Concordia sitting at home, so calling this year a one hit wonder is kind of odd, maybe a 2 hit wonder?

I will agree that UMHB MIGHT lose an ASC championship game to Ozarks or UT Tyler, but I do not think we could even suggest Concordia being there.

I looked on the schedule page and noticed that the soft SWAGU game was postponed the first game of the season, and this was probably a makeup, but I can't expect someone with your intelligence level to comprehend that, hambone.

Enough about UMHB, and Concordia...UT Tyler is about to end UT Dallas' season this weekend. Lets talk about that!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 26, 2008, 07:50:48 PM
i think the UT-Dallas season is already over. what happened to those guys? as for the UMHB comment, i'm trying to get THE_CRU_05 back in here. I figured that comment might catch his attention and i would HARDLY consider that "bashing." you act like they are already in the championship game! we still have a long season ahead of us fungoman!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fungoman on March 26, 2008, 07:56:56 PM
I am not acting like anyone is in the championship game. You guys are just bashing teams with no representation here, so I figured I would defend them. Bash Mcmurry or the Ozarks and I will likely do the same.

Ralph, what can you tell me about UMHB?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 26, 2008, 08:35:31 PM
Fungo you are in a swarm of hornets here , UMHB is sitting fine now, but lets not jump to conclusions with them just yet. THey dont have the experience and that might catch up to them, but hey they are on top of things right now.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 26, 2008, 08:40:45 PM
Quote from: baseballfan24 on March 26, 2008, 12:35:26 PM
I have followed baseball for quite sometime.  I have to say I don't have a clue what all these stats mean.  How is UMHB the top speed team (whatever that means) when TLU and Tyler are 1 and 2 in the conference in stolen bases.  That does not make sense to me.  Is it because of doubles and triples?  If that is the case do those stats not have more to do with where the ball is hit and how it is played by the defense than how fast a player is?

Also related to team defense, wouldn't simply listing the teams' fielding percentages give us a good idea of who plays quality defense and who does not.  I know that fielding percentage may not always be a completely accurate description of how teams play defense, but it is usually a pretty good teller.

Sorry about the lack of explanation, baseballfan24. I'll give it my best shot here...I'm not always the clearest.

The speed stat is a compilation of 5 different measures, involving triples, stolen bases, stolen base percentage, runs per times on base, and GIDP's. The way I think of it isn't necessarily the fastest 40 time or anything like that, but the team/player who has had the highest effective speed. As of their 2008 annual, BP finally got a baserunning measure that is done in runs, but it requires data that would take too long to figure.

The defense measure (defensive efficiency) is the percentage of balls in play that are turned into outs, which is the point of defense in the first place. What fielding percentage tells you is how often a team gets to the ball but screws up, which is useful in its own way but does not address how many balls the team fails to get to and fall for hits (which is why I prefer the efficiency number).

BaseRuns (both hitters and pitchers) was originally devised by David Smyth. It converts the various counting statistics for a hitter or pitcher into runs so that a player's contribution can be summed into a single number. I then divide by the number of plate appearances so that it becomes a rate stat instead of a counting one, to allow comparison between players of differing playing time. VORP builds on that, comparing each player's production to that of a theoretical "replacement-level" player.

Hope that got everything. If it didn't, let me know what I missed.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fungoman on March 26, 2008, 09:12:51 PM
Blackcat,

How do they not have experience? Does that mean that Concordia doesnt even have experience in making the conference Tourney? Or UT Tyler since they havent been there either? Pretty stellar comment there...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 26, 2008, 10:07:51 PM
Its not stellar at all, and i didndt intend on it being stellar. Im just say TLU the McMurry's can sneak in and dominate a conference tourny or conference just from their guys being there every year. Basically its not rocket science. And dont let it get to you , its my opinion guy. Concordia has pretty good experience. I beleive they have been to the tourny alot in the last 7 years, not sure where you are getting confused.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 26, 2008, 11:14:08 PM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on March 26, 2008, 10:07:51 PM
...McMurry's can sneak in and dominate a conference tourney or conference just from their guys being there every year. Basically its not rocket science....


I hope that Coach Driggers can find consistent bullpen strength between now and then.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fungoman on March 27, 2008, 12:13:32 AM
Hey you Concordia folks are the ones that penciled in UMHB in the finals and said they would get smoked by one of the east powerhouses. Now they dont have the experience to get there? And Concordia, with possibly just a handful of players that have any conference tourney experience, has enough experience to get it done? Which is it now?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Sader22 on March 27, 2008, 06:11:10 AM
Quote from: HAMBONE on March 26, 2008, 04:51:33 PM
Quote from: Bman3 on March 26, 2008, 04:14:17 PM
THE_CRU_WHERE_ARE_YOU


I think I hurt THE_CRU_05's feelings.  i got on him pretty hard for messing with Infielddad and JSG.  Im sure he is aware that if the Cru does actually make it to the championship game of the asc tournament that 1 of those east powerhouses will man-handle them.  where is that pansy?  light us up on this message board....we are ready for your cocky-typing to make us think differently about your club.  afterall they did put a beatdown on a strong NCCAA team last night.  maybe they will get an intramural championship t-shirt for their efforts?

I know it is still early and we are only half way through the season and yes I know CTX has a great track record and all of these other teams in the East are great squads, but you have to give the CRU and Wells the credit they deserve.  He has done a great job turning the program around in Belton.  Yes you guys did smoke us every year and I played in those days when you, White, or Decker would go 4-5 with 2 bombs against us.  It just seems to me being a Baseball fan you really have to give them the benefit of the doubt.  I might be wrong about this but wouldnt you say at this point that UMHB is the powerhouse in the West.  I mean look at their team numbers it is kind of ridiculous.  I believe that when they make it to the Championship round no Team is going to handle them.  I believe that it is going to be a very good tournament. 

Im just saying everybody in here is not giving them any credit and they really do have a great team down there this year, I think it makes for an interesting tournament and could be one of the best divisions in the West that we have had in a long time. 

I like to see that our conference is getting stronger every year and that all the teams are getting better, I mean Sul Ross is even a little more talented than the have been.

All I ask is give them a little credit I mean we always gave the teams that smoked us every year the credit, CTX, TLU, MCM, HSU have always been the top dogs and now its nice to see other teams up there besides those guys every year. 

Please let me know your thoughts, just trying to get a little insight from other former players in this conference.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 27, 2008, 09:15:54 AM
Quote from: fungoman on March 26, 2008, 07:56:56 PM
Ralph, what can you tell me about UMHB?

I'll try to take this one off of Ralph's hands.

Obviously they can swing the sticks with the team .354 batting average, but they have been shut down by good pitching this year.

Todd Koch 7 IP, 3 H, 0 ER, 9 K
Curt Dixon 7 IP, 4 H, 1 ER, 7 K
Cody Curry 7 IP, 3 H, 0 ER, 5 K

Because of this notion and the fact that they played a very weak early season non-conference schedule leads me to believe their stats are a bit inflated and that they would struggle with the Ozarks again, and definitely the UTT pitching staff in any kind of tournament situation.

That said, the top of that order can swing it pretty well and will all run once they're on the sack. Froeschl, Villegas, Volz, White (usually one or the other hitting up there), and then Reinlie has been decent in the clean-up spot. Of course, you also have Pena hitting 9-hole that will murder bad pitching.

They've been pretty solid on the bump, but again, have shown some vulnerability against better hitting teams. If Tumlinson is healthy they have a little more depth, but with only 12.0 IP I don't know that he has been or is at all at this point.

It's clear that they're usually going to try to out slug a team though. White has 13 errors at SS and is fielding .849 and Whitehead has 9 at 3rd for a .918 clip.

Do I think they're the best team in the West?
It's hard to argue with what they've done thus far especially the fact that they took 2 of 3 from McMurry, but I'm still a little hesitant to annoit them the best team in the west. I'd say because of the way this year has gone in the west virtually anything could happen. If I was coaching and had to pick I'd probably rather play UMHB then McMurry right now but ask me again in two weeks.

Either way, I envision either the Ozarks or Tyler to come out as the ASC champions, but with the lack of true pitching depth in the entire conference, there's really no telling.

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fungoman on March 27, 2008, 10:29:49 AM
Thank you JSG...it is good to see some real analysis instead instead of all the past smack talking we have gotten from the Concordia group. But I guess we have to listen to it, because they did go to the world series in 2002, and they have all the experience in the world.

I believe the Koch and Dixon have shut everyone down, including UT Tyler who was hitting .377 going into that weekend and have dropped down into the .350's. We did get to Koch a little bit, so I believe he is more vulnerable. Dixon can flat out pitch, but how many games can he pitch if it gets to the 2nd round of the conference tourney?

Even with the lack of bullpen depth we supposedly have, I still think we have the best top 5 pitchers in the conference, and come tourney time with the season on the line, that may be all we need.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 27, 2008, 12:15:24 PM
Is Ernest Pena still playing for UMHB. Ive watched that kid grow up playing ball and his father works with my mom back in Houston.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 27, 2008, 12:17:17 PM
Yeah fungo dad its a great time up there in Appleton. You should try and make it up there sometime. And for experience, I would say Mike Gardner has a hell of a resume my friend.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 27, 2008, 01:07:45 PM
Quote from: Sader22 on March 27, 2008, 06:11:10 AM
Quote from: HAMBONE on March 26, 2008, 04:51:33 PM
Quote from: Bman3 on March 26, 2008, 04:14:17 PM
THE_CRU_WHERE_ARE_YOU


I think I hurt THE_CRU_05's feelings.  i got on him pretty hard for messing with Infielddad and JSG.  Im sure he is aware that if the Cru does actually make it to the championship game of the asc tournament that 1 of those east powerhouses will man-handle them.  where is that pansy?  light us up on this message board....we are ready for your cocky-typing to make us think differently about your club.  afterall they did put a beatdown on a strong NCCAA team last night.  maybe they will get an intramural championship t-shirt for their efforts?

I know it is still early and we are only half way through the season and yes I know CTX has a great track record and all of these other teams in the East are great squads, but you have to give the CRU and Wells the credit they deserve.  He has done a great job turning the program around in Belton.  Yes you guys did smoke us every year and I played in those days when you, White, or Decker would go 4-5 with 2 bombs against us.  It just seems to me being a Baseball fan you really have to give them the benefit of the doubt.  I might be wrong about this but wouldnt you say at this point that UMHB is the powerhouse in the West.  I mean look at their team numbers it is kind of ridiculous.  I believe that when they make it to the Championship round no Team is going to handle them.  I believe that it is going to be a very good tournament. 

Im just saying everybody in here is not giving them any credit and they really do have a great team down there this year, I think it makes for an interesting tournament and could be one of the best divisions in the West that we have had in a long time. 

I like to see that our conference is getting stronger every year and that all the teams are getting better, I mean Sul Ross is even a little more talented than the have been.

All I ask is give them a little credit I mean we always gave the teams that smoked us every year the credit, CTX, TLU, MCM, HSU have always been the top dogs and now its nice to see other teams up there besides those guys every year. 

Please let me know your thoughts, just trying to get a little insight from other former players in this conference.

We do give them credit.  They are having a great year which makes it fun to talk a little smack to see if they will shut me (us) up.  You dont see anyone on here lubing up Sul Ross State do you? That wouldnt be any fun. Trust me when I say, you are not alone knowing or excited that your alma matter is having a successful year.  Success in sports is what makes it fun, and i believe without a doubt those kids are having the time of their lives right now, and I am glad they are tasting a piece of the sweet goodness.  winning is contageous and losing is a disease, both spread equally as quick, and only the mature ballclubs know how to respect and keep the momentum when they get it. Do you really need the reassurance from us to know UMHB is having a great year?  They are clearly on the National Rankings and have one of the best records in the conference, that alone speaks for itself.  Now can they continue their success with the competition heating up?  That is where they lack the experience and it will be fun to watch.  They took 2 of 3 from a hot McMurry club....may be a different story if the Indians host the conference tourney.  I dont see any Indians on here talking smack after getting beat either.  Where you at Indian4life?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 27, 2008, 01:30:44 PM
Thanks JSG!

Got busy with my "day" job.  :)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 27, 2008, 01:36:22 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 27, 2008, 01:30:44 PM
Thanks JSG!

Got busy with my "day" job.  :)

JSG knows everything.   its almost unbelievable!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 27, 2008, 01:45:32 PM
Quote from: fungoman on March 27, 2008, 10:29:49 AM
Even with the lack of bullpen depth we supposedly have, I still think we have the best top 5 pitchers in the conference, and come tourney time with the season on the line, that may be all we need.

If by top 5 pitchers in the conference, you mean the best top 5, then I might be inclined to agree, but if you mean literally UT Tyler has pitchers 1 thru 5 then I disagree. It would be tough not to mention Jonathon Russell, Mark Cox, or Curt Dixon.

It only takes 3 games to win the conference tournament if you win all 3, but CUA and Ozarks proved you can get to Tyler in those games. Who starts game four if necessary for UT Tyler. Munchrath? If so, what if he's facing a team like McMurry that hit him well the first time? Do you go ahead and gamble with Ziegler? Can he last more than 5-6 IP?

And don't get me wrong here, I'm not saying any other team really has a viable 4th starter either, though you could make a decent case for Finnell or Scheuring  for Ozarks. If a game were to get really sloppy, I do think Ozarks has more guys they can count on than UT Tyler, primarily because they've taken the opportunity to utilize more guys this year.

McMurry has Vorhees that could throw if he had to and Wood, and Smith who have pitched fairly decent for them when they've had the opportunity to start. What hurts them is that Toombs (who started the year great) and Johnston are struggling as starters, and their LHPs our the bullpen they were counting on to step up this year, haven't.

I have mentioned before with a healthy Tumlinson UMHB has a little more depth, and like Ozarks they've got a lot of different guys they'll throw at you, but Sarles, Vaughn, Dobbins and Tatum aren't as good as Ozarks bullpen guys.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 27, 2008, 02:13:00 PM
Quote from: fungoman on March 26, 2008, 07:33:41 PM
I will agree that UMHB MIGHT lose an ASC championship game to Ozarks or UT Tyler, but I do not think we could even suggest Concordia being there.
Quote from: fungoman on March 27, 2008, 12:13:32 AM
Hey you Concordia folks are the ones that penciled in UMHB in the finals and said they would get smoked by one of the east powerhouses.
No, fungoman...it was definatley you who put them in the championship game...where they, MIGHT, lose to Ozarks or UT-T. you speak of this, MIGHT, as if they should just stop playing now and give them the trophy! as if Ozarks or UT-T are the only teams who have any kind of slight chance to beat these guys. they are having a GREAT year and i look forward to them going forward, but lets let it play out a little before we start handing hardware out!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 27, 2008, 02:19:37 PM
Quote from: fungoman on March 26, 2008, 07:33:41 PM
I looked on the schedule page and noticed that the soft SWAGU game was postponed the first game of the season, and this was probably a makeup, but I can't expect someone with your intelligence level to comprehend that, hambone.

You are right and I am wrong.  It was a rescheduled rainout.  I do believe you dont give yourself enough credit though, by setting your expectations so low about my intelligence.  

Quote from: fungoman on March 26, 2008, 09:12:51 PM
Blackcat,

How do they not have experience? Does that mean that Concordia doesnt even have experience in making the conference Tourney? Or UT Tyler since they havent been there either? Pretty stellar comment there...

They do not have very much post-season experience and thats a fact.  It was a statement based on facts not a judgement call.  Last year was their first appearance, that is how they do not have experience.  Quite possibly someone with your intelligence level may not be able to comprehend that.  Do some more of your cutting-edge research and make some educated stellar comments of your own.

Quote from: fungoman on March 27, 2008, 12:13:32 AM
Hey you Concordia folks are the ones that penciled in UMHB in the finals and said they would get smoked by one of the east powerhouses. Now they dont have the experience to get there? And Concordia, with possibly just a handful of players that have any conference tourney experience, has enough experience to get it done? Which is it now?

Noone eluded to the fact that UMHB didnt have the experience to get there.  You dont need experience to get there, you need enough wins.  The experience part comes from performance production, which is when big time players make big time plays in big time situations.  Experience also determines the coaching strategies with pitching matchups and strategic substitutions.  Also, noone on here has made the statement that CTX will get it done at the ASC tournament.  Since I lack the intelligence, I had to ask somebody, but what I found out was its a 6 team race in the West....so only time will tell who the 4 teams are that make it.

Quote from: fungoman on March 27, 2008, 10:29:49 AM
Thank you JSG...it is good to see some real analysis instead instead of all the past smack talking we have gotten from the Concordia group. But I guess we have to listen to it, because they did go to the world series in 2002, and they have all the experience in the world.

If you do not like the smack talk then do not read it.  if you would like it to stop, then stop responding to it.  JSG has a great unbiased point of view and provides us with spectacular udates and scouting reports.  We may not have all the experience in the world smart guy, but im pretty sure that Bman3 and myself have more than you do in the ASC, and some pretty solid career #'s that not only speak for themselves but also give us the right to open our mouths.



Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseballfan24 on March 27, 2008, 02:33:29 PM
Anyone feel like throwing out some predictions for this weekend?

JSG, Ralph

I'll take the following:

McMurry sweeps Shreiner

UMHB wins 2 of 3 over TLU

Hardin-Simmons gets 2 of 3 from Concordia only because it is in Abilene - not sure if I believe my own prediction on this one

HPU wins 2 of 3 at Sul Ross

Tyler sweeps UTD in Tyler - but watch out for Cox he is pretty good

LC wins 2 of 3 at ETBU

Ozarks sweeps Leteurneau

and Mississippi is playing Spalding - I know nothing about them

Any thoughts?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on March 27, 2008, 03:25:42 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on March 27, 2008, 09:15:54 AM
Quote from: fungoman on March 26, 2008, 07:56:56 PM
Ralph, what can you tell me about UMHB?

I'll try to take this one off of Ralph's hands.

Obviously they can swing the sticks with the team .354 batting average, but they have been shut down by good pitching this year.

Todd Koch 7 IP, 3 H, 0 ER, 9 K
Curt Dixon 7 IP, 4 H, 1 ER, 7 K
Cody Curry 7 IP, 3 H, 9 ER, 5 K

Because of this notion and the fact that they played a very weak early season non-conference schedule leads me to believe their stats are a bit inflated and that they would struggle with the Ozarks again, and definitely the UTT pitching staff in any kind of tournament situation.

That said, the top of that order can swing it pretty well and will all run once they're on the sack. Froeschl, Villegas, Volz, White (usually one or the other hitting up there), and then Reinlie has been decent in the clean-up spot. Of course, you also have Pena hitting 9-hole that will murder bad pitching.

They've been pretty solid on the bump, but again, have shown some vulnerability against better hitting teams. If Tumlinson is healthy they have a little more depth, but with only 12.0 IP I don't know that he has been or is at all at this point.

It's clear that they're usually going to try to out slug a team though. White has 13 errors at SS and is fielding .849 and Whitehead has 9 at 3rd for a .918 clip.

Do I think they're the best team in the West?
It's hard to argue with what they've done thus far especially the fact that they took 2 of 3 from McMurry, but I'm still a little hesitant to annoit them the best team in the west. I'd say because of the way this year has gone in the west virtually anything could happen. If I was coaching and had to pick I'd probably rather play UMHB then McMurry right now but ask me again in two weeks.

Either way, I envision either the Ozarks or Tyler to come out as the ASC champions, but with the lack of true pitching depth in the entire conference, there's really no telling.

JSG



First JSG I wanted to correct you and say that Curry did not give up a single run against UMHB las weekend...just a lil fyi.

Quote from: HAMBONE on March 27, 2008, 01:07:45 PM
Quote from: Sader22 on March 27, 2008, 06:11:10 AM
Quote from: HAMBONE on March 26, 2008, 04:51:33 PM
Quote from: Bman3 on March 26, 2008, 04:14:17 PM
THE_CRU_WHERE_ARE_YOU


I think I hurt THE_CRU_05's feelings.  i got on him pretty hard for messing with Infielddad and JSG.  Im sure he is aware that if the Cru does actually make it to the championship game of the asc tournament that 1 of those east powerhouses will man-handle them.  where is that pansy?  light us up on this message board....we are ready for your cocky-typing to make us think differently about your club.  afterall they did put a beatdown on a strong NCCAA team last night.  maybe they will get an intramural championship t-shirt for their efforts?

I know it is still early and we are only half way through the season and yes I know CTX has a great track record and all of these other teams in the East are great squads, but you have to give the CRU and Wells the credit they deserve.  He has done a great job turning the program around in Belton.  Yes you guys did smoke us every year and I played in those days when you, White, or Decker would go 4-5 with 2 bombs against us.  It just seems to me being a Baseball fan you really have to give them the benefit of the doubt.  I might be wrong about this but wouldnt you say at this point that UMHB is the powerhouse in the West.  I mean look at their team numbers it is kind of ridiculous.  I believe that when they make it to the Championship round no Team is going to handle them.  I believe that it is going to be a very good tournament. 

Im just saying everybody in here is not giving them any credit and they really do have a great team down there this year, I think it makes for an interesting tournament and could be one of the best divisions in the West that we have had in a long time. 

I like to see that our conference is getting stronger every year and that all the teams are getting better, I mean Sul Ross is even a little more talented than the have been.

All I ask is give them a little credit I mean we always gave the teams that smoked us every year the credit, CTX, TLU, MCM, HSU have always been the top dogs and now its nice to see other teams up there besides those guys every year. 

Please let me know your thoughts, just trying to get a little insight from other former players in this conference.

We do give them credit.  They are having a great year which makes it fun to talk a little smack to see if they will shut me (us) up.  You dont see anyone on here lubing up Sul Ross State do you? That wouldnt be any fun. Trust me when I say, you are not alone knowing or excited that your alma matter is having a successful year.  Success in sports is what makes it fun, and i believe without a doubt those kids are having the time of their lives right now, and I am glad they are tasting a piece of the sweet goodness.  winning is contageous and losing is a disease, both spread equally as quick, and only the mature ballclubs know how to respect and keep the momentum when they get it. Do you really need the reassurance from us to know UMHB is having a great year?  They are clearly on the National Rankings and have one of the best records in the conference, that alone speaks for itself.  Now can they continue their success with the competition heating up?  That is where they lack the experience and it will be fun to watch.  They took 2 of 3 from a hot McMurry club....may be a different story if the Indians host the conference tourney.  I dont see any Indians on here talking smack after getting beat either.  Where you at Indian4life?

Dear Mr. Hambone,

Frankly I do not like what happen to my team last weekend, but I will say we never gave up and I still love our chances.  If you look at the past years there has only been 1 team since the new millenium lose less that 5 games and get 1st place on the west side of the conference TLU (2003,2005,2007) So I like where we are sitting.  UMHB is a good ball club and a very very hot ball club weather or not they can keep it up that is all up to them. And we do not know how they will play in a tournament.  And if you really want to know why I have not been around lately it is because I am tired of all of this childish arguing that goes on.  Yes it can be fun but these boards are about the players and whats going on in the year.  I do like the post from ralph, CUA fan, JSG, give me something with substance instead of a lot of trash talking and ill post more often.  In conclusion last weekend was a rough loss for my INDIANS but I believe we will bounce back fine and be a force that no one will take lightly when it comes tournament time.

i4l
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 27, 2008, 04:13:17 PM
Quote from: indian4life on March 27, 2008, 03:25:42 PM
First JSG I wanted to correct you and say that Curry did not give up a single run against UMHB las weekend...just a lil fyi.

Thanks for the heads up Curry. Made that post really quickly at work, and in my efforts to hurry I accidentally hit the 9 instead of the 0.

Obviously, since I was talking about the fact that they had been shut down by good pitching, I wouldn't have intentionally used someone who gave up 9 ER as an example.

Again, I appreciate the heads up. I've fixed it now.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 27, 2008, 04:39:42 PM

Dear Mr. Hambone,
And if you really want to know why I have not been around lately it is because I am tired of all of this childish arguing that goes on.  Yes it can be fun but these boards are about the players and whats going on in the year.  I do like the post from ralph, CUA fan, JSG, give me something with substance instead of a lot of trash talking and ill post more often.
i4l
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Cm'on Indian 4 life, its all in good clean fun.  If you want something of substance I suggest you read a book; perhaps maybe you have read too many books of substance in Law School and have just set the bar too high for the rest of us....but I guess that's for you to determine what exactly substance is for you.  For me, I will probably never grow up....so I guess you will just have to deal with it for now.  Good to hear from ya and we're all glad you are still around.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 27, 2008, 04:54:09 PM
My picks for this weekend:

McM sweeps SU
HPU 2-3 SRSU
CTX 2-3 HSU
TLU 2-3 UMHB

OU sweeps LeT
UTT 2-3 UTD
LC 2-3 ETBU


Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 27, 2008, 06:12:17 PM
I Believe this is a weekend of alot of upsets. You hit it on the head hambone. Indian you wuldnt survive one day on Texas orangebloods.com. This isnt anything compared over there, and those guys know their baseball, football, and basketball. I think this board has been alot of fun.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on March 27, 2008, 06:38:43 PM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on March 27, 2008, 06:12:17 PM
I Believe this is a weekend of alot of upsets. You hit it on the head hambone. Indian you wuldnt survive one day on Texas orangebloods.com. This isnt anything compared over there, and those guys know their baseball, football, and basketball. I think this board has been alot of fun.

Thats because i have more class than the tsipping idiots on that web site.

And HAMMY if you want me on your level you can have it all you have to do is ask. I don't mind it but really who gives a rats butt about your 2002 team anymore that was 6 seasons ago that is enough for now im reserving my big guns for later.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fungoman on March 27, 2008, 06:59:37 PM
Quote from: HAMBONE on March 26, 2008, 04:51:33 PM
Quote from: Bman3 on March 26, 2008, 04:14:17 PM
THE_CRU_WHERE_ARE_YOU


I think I hurt THE_CRU_05's feelings.  i got on him pretty hard for messing with Infielddad and JSG.  Im sure he is aware that if the Cru does actually make it to the championship game of the asc tournament that 1 of those east powerhouses will man-handle them.  where is that pansy?  light us up on this message board....we are ready for your cocky-typing to make us think differently about your club.  afterall they did put a beatdown on a strong NCCAA team last night.  maybe they will get an intramural championship t-shirt for their efforts?

Hambone is the one that brought up the "Cru" in the chapmionship. I am still stunned by the lack of intelligence supposed college graduates have. Do they teach you guys anything at Concordia, or did the 2002 world series trip get you a degree?

Last time I checked the coaches do not actually go up to the plate or pitch on the mound during championship tournaments. Gardner may have the experience, but his players dont. Do we really want to talk about his prestigious resume? Or should we keep that one quiet?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 27, 2008, 08:11:26 PM
Class? They do have a few share of bad apples, but they do know their baseball here in austin, and do follow the succes of Texas basball
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 27, 2008, 08:13:53 PM
Yeah lets talk about his prestigious resume. First for South Houston high school he had the number one team in the country in 5A, how many national championships did he win at San Jancinto college when coaching, then going to the SouthWest Conference as a coach for The University of Houston. Then to top it off he gets ASC's only World Series participant to Wisconsin. You might want to do your homework before you talk out your you know what fungoguy.

OWNED
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Sader22 on March 27, 2008, 08:29:36 PM
I agree this is all in good fun and if you really take all the trash talking and stuff to heart then maybe you really should not post anything else on here.  They say Baseball is suppose to be fun and so is this.  I think Indian is just sulking a little bit and cant handle that his team got beat. 

So guys how do you think the Conference shapes up after this weekend.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fungoman on March 27, 2008, 10:09:55 PM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on March 27, 2008, 08:13:53 PM
Yeah lets talk about his prestigious resume. First for South Houston high school he had the number one team in the country in 5A, how many national championships did he win at San Jancinto college when coaching, then going to the SouthWest Conference as a coach for The University of Houston. Then to top it off he gets ASC's only World Series participant to Wisconsin. You might want to do your homework before you talk out your you know what fungoguy.

OWNED

Do you have first hand knowledge of why he left San Jac? Maybe things we hear need to stay to ourselves, right HAMBONE?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm505 on March 27, 2008, 11:43:38 PM
First off, you guys really ought to back off Coach Gardner.  The guy is a class act, good guy, and a hell of a baseball coach and this is coming from someone that played at McMurry.  And why should those that participated in 2002 DIII World Series not brag about it?  They made it there, a feat not equalled by even my McMurry Indians.  I was fortunate enough to play an insignificant role on the 2004 ASC Championship team, and I still would talk about that experience, even when we got knocked out fast in Bloomington.  Point being, I give tons of credibility to what comes out of the mouths of people that have not only talked about this, but played it and lived it.  It really seems like the "Cru" fans are coming out of the woodwork.  I am glad to see their rise in the ASC, b/c it is great for the conference, but this rise needs to be taken a bit more humbly by the fan base.  Also, might want to ease off Hambone a bit, anyone that knows him understands that he liked to tease and make jokes.  Everyone taking his remarks so seriously really ought to consider he is just giving ya'll a hard time. 

And Hambone, I take offense to those law books remarks.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 28, 2008, 01:11:24 AM
Quote from: fungoman on March 27, 2008, 06:59:37 PM
Quote from: HAMBONE on March 26, 2008, 04:51:33 PM
Quote from: Bman3 on March 26, 2008, 04:14:17 PM
THE_CRU_WHERE_ARE_YOU


I think I hurt THE_CRU_05's feelings.  i got on him pretty hard for messing with Infielddad and JSG.  Im sure he is aware that if the Cru does actually make it to the championship game of the asc tournament that 1 of those east powerhouses will man-handle them.  where is that pansy?  light us up on this message board....we are ready for your cocky-typing to make us think differently about your club.  afterall they did put a beatdown on a strong NCCAA team last night.  maybe they will get an intramural championship t-shirt for their efforts?

Hambone is the one that brought up the "Cru" in the chapmionship. I am still stunned by the lack of intelligence supposed college graduates have. Do they teach you guys anything at Concordia, or did the 2002 world series trip get you a degree?

Last time I checked the coaches do not actually go up to the plate or pitch on the mound during championship tournaments. Gardner may have the experience, but his players dont. Do we really want to talk about his prestigious resume? Or should we keep that one quiet?

Cm'on fungoman dont get all fiesty on us...you are an adult, act like one.  to answer your question (even though i really do not think it needs to be answered) they do teach us a few things @ Concordia.  Its a private institution that has a minimum hourly requirement to obtain a degree just like the state schools.  I mean we actually have books and professors and students....its great, its almost like really going to college.  you should check out the website...www.concordia.edu...

now what I was trying to say about UMHB is the fact that they lack experience in big time games.  thats it.  im not stating that CTX has a roster full of it (b/c i know you will get all defensive and bring that up).  I actually am aware that coaches do not step in the box, and I am aware that they do not toe the rubber in a game.  But are put in postions in the post season that are different than traditional 3 games series that are out of the norm....for instance all the games are 9 innnings, and with the lack of pitching depth in the conference as a whole, it could allow an underdog in terms of fielding percentage and batting avg. moved passed a team like UMHB....and for any team that loses the first game in a double elimination bracket, its hell coming through without post-season experience from the players and coaches alike b/c inexperience causes panic, and panic causes irrational decisions to be made....but we all know that you play the game one game at a time and one pitch at a time.  Thats the only point I was trying to make.  If its not a good point then please coach me so i can learn something.

There is no need to get all personal on this board...if the shoe fits wear it. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 28, 2008, 01:39:57 AM
Quote from: baseballfan24 on March 27, 2008, 02:33:29 PM
Anyone feel like throwing out some predictions for this weekend?

JSG, Ralph

I'll take the following:

McMurry sweeps Shreiner

UMHB wins 2 of 3 over TLU

Hardin-Simmons gets 2 of 3 from Concordia only because it is in Abilene - not sure if I believe my own prediction on this one

HPU wins 2 of 3 at Sul Ross

Tyler sweeps UTD in Tyler - but watch out for Cox he is pretty good

LC wins 2 of 3 at ETBU

Ozarks sweeps Leteurneau

and Mississippi is playing Spalding - I know nothing about them

Any thoughts?


I agree with all of your pics minus 5.

1.) I think LC sweeps ETBU, unless the wind is blowing stright in, then its up in the air (literally).

2.) I think CTX takes at least 2 from HSU.  Morrison needs to pitch deep into game 1 and leave with a solid lead. it will no-doubt be a dogfight between these 2 clubs, maybe even an extra inning game or 2 during the series. I pray for a sweep.  Look for Tom Williams to break a few windows if they pitch to him, this kid can drop the hammer from both sides of the dish.

3.) I m gonna go out on a limb and say TLU takes 2 of 3 from UMHB.  Although TLU hasnt won as many games as usual this year, they have a few things that I saw that tell me they are not out of the fight just yet.  They have a reputation in this conference for winning and winning consistenly.  I saw their squad play 3 games, and they have some good-looking athletes on that team, possibly even a few that may testify under oath to the congress if they arent careful.  They havent quite hit on all cylinders yet, but this is a weekend I think could turn their season around if they will let it.  They have a new coach and some obvious growing pains, but with the spring weather upon us I think the heat is the ultimate equalizer for that bunch.  They are not out of it yet.

4.)  I think UTT takes 2 of 3 from UTD.  Tyler has lost a few games lately, and I think UTD is tired of losing.  There isnt a roster out there that has kids on it that get used to losing especially after the year they had last year.  Along with TLU, I think UTD has the oppurtunity to come out fighting and end their year on an upward plane....and all it takes is for them to take 1 from the #5 team in the nation to give them the confidence they need to win a few games and end their year on a positive note. 

5.)  I think Schriener takes a game from McMurry.  Noones perfect, not even the Indians.  I think SU knows they still have a chance to get into the conference tourney if they beat who they are supposed to beat, swipe a few from the ones they are not, and let teams that look good on paper knock eachother out.  SU is the perfect example this year of a team, that if you arent careful will sneak up on you if underestimate them and forget to respect them....Please prove me wrong McM...on another note, the Indians have 2 pre-season all-americans that are living up to the hype.  Voorhees and Derrick are stroking, and if they show to play they might hurt somebody.  I love the consistency out of the 2, and I hope they hit some bombs this weekend.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 28, 2008, 01:52:34 AM
Quote from: HAMBONE on March 28, 2008, 01:39:57 AM
and they have some good-looking athletes on that team, possibly even a few that may testify under oath to the congress if they arent careful. 

I found this to be a rather interesting observation. Care to drop any names?

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 28, 2008, 02:10:55 AM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on March 28, 2008, 01:52:34 AM
Quote from: HAMBONE on March 28, 2008, 01:39:57 AM
and they have some good-looking athletes on that team, possibly even a few that may testify under oath to the congress if they arent careful. 

I found this to be a rather interesting observation. Care to drop any names?

JSG

JSG i watched the saturday double header from left-center field and they ran about 4 left-fielders out there...all were good looking, strong athletes.  I am not sure of the names but i think it was #24.  His physical size struck me so i looked him up on the website roster and it didnt look like the same gym-rat i saw in left field....their picture roster was hard to confim as well because they were all wearing over-sized jersey's and off the wall #'s on the front that did not correspond with their roster #.  The lead-off hitter (center fielder) is also a great looking specimen.  They had a DH that looked like Hack Wilson or even better a taller version of Kevin Webster, he just looked like a threat....though Im not sure if he is or not.  The scouting report on their catcher did not match the arm I saw either....dont get me wrong, I am not jocking the TLU club, I am glad to watch some teams beat them, and I hope they get kicked a little while they are down...but I just dont think they are out of it yet.....especially if their radio announcer would decide to be the bat  boy this weekend.  those hitters would be fixed in no-time!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 28, 2008, 02:37:02 AM
Quote from: HAMBONE on March 28, 2008, 02:10:55 AM
but I just dont think they are out of it yet.....especially if their radio announcer would decide to be the bat  boy this weekend.  those hitters would be fixed in no-time!

Comments like these make me a lot more tolerant of your pointless trash-talk, get a rise out of others posts. Intelligent jabs that only "in-the-know" division III baseball fans would get, like your first post on these forums, bring solid value to this forum. Though I certainly don't mind it, and usually just skip over it, I'm not certain some of the others posts meet that criteria (not that it really matters). That said, you have made quite a few legitimate contributions and I certainly appreciate those, particularly your recent illustration of why the West is still considered the stronger region.

Quote from: HAMBONE on March 28, 2008, 02:10:55 AM

JSG i watched the saturday double header from left-center field and they ran about 4 left-fielders out there...all were good looking, strong athletes.  I am not sure of the names but i think it was #24.  His physical size struck me so i looked him up on the website roster and it didnt look like the same gym-rat i saw in left field....their picture roster was hard to confim as well because they were all wearing over-sized jersey's and off the wall #'s on the front that did not correspond with their roster #.  The lead-off hitter (center fielder) is also a great looking specimen.  They had a DH that looked like Hack Wilson or even better a taller version of Kevin Webster, he just looked like a threat....though Im not sure if he is or not.  The scouting report on their catcher did not match the arm I saw either....dont get me wrong, I am not jocking the TLU club, I am glad to watch some teams beat them, and I hope they get kicked a little while they are down

The scouting report said he had an arm, or no?

I guess all of those guys are relatively big, but I do not know that all of their builds would suggest supplemental use. I would say that McMurry has quite a bit 'bigger' roster in terms of physical size than TLU, the UT Dallas team last year certainly did, and the Mississippi College teams of a 2-3 years ago were really large as well.

I think you are probably barking up the wrong tree with the accusation, particularly because of the way that program was run under the tenure of Bill Miller, and Burnett having served under him for so long. Both have always seemed to present themselves with integrity in my minimal experience watching them.

I wouldn't persume to accuse anyone of substance abuse, but if I were to look anywhere, I could probably be more prone to looking at teams that feature lots of junior college transfers. Those guys are competing for highly-competitive spots, and usually an opportunity to play division I baseball. I think they would be more prone to try steroids than a division III guy who's chances to go pro are VERY minimal and who have rosters relatively thin so that if you can play the game, chances are you'll get that opportunity.

It doesn't hurt that I have had plenty of JUCO players tell me they were "fed steroids like they were Advil."

I think with all that has gone on the last couple of years it is a lot less prevalent.

In any event, thanks for the laugh.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 28, 2008, 02:53:07 AM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on March 28, 2008, 02:37:02 AM
Quote from: HAMBONE on March 28, 2008, 02:10:55 AM
but I just dont think they are out of it yet.....especially if their radio announcer would decide to be the bat  boy this weekend.  those hitters would be fixed in no-time!

Comments like these make me a lot more tolerant of your pointless trash-talk, get a rise out of others posts. Intelligent jabs that only "in-the-know" division III baseball fans would get, like your first post on these forums, bring solid value to this forum. Though I certainly don't mind it, and usually just skip over it, I'm not certain some of the others posts meet that criteria (not that it really matters). That said, you have made quite a few legitimate contributions and I certainly appreciate those, particularly your recent illustration of why the West is still considered the stronger region.

Quote from: HAMBONE on March 28, 2008, 02:10:55 AM

JSG i watched the saturday double header from left-center field and they ran about 4 left-fielders out there...all were good looking, strong athletes.  I am not sure of the names but i think it was #24.  His physical size struck me so i looked him up on the website roster and it didnt look like the same gym-rat i saw in left field....their picture roster was hard to confim as well because they were all wearing over-sized jersey's and off the wall #'s on the front that did not correspond with their roster #.  The lead-off hitter (center fielder) is also a great looking specimen.  They had a DH that looked like Hack Wilson or even better a taller version of Kevin Webster, he just looked like a threat....though Im not sure if he is or not.  The scouting report on their catcher did not match the arm I saw either....dont get me wrong, I am not jocking the TLU club, I am glad to watch some teams beat them, and I hope they get kicked a little while they are down

The scouting report said he had an arm, or no?

I guess all of those guys are relatively big, but I do not know that all of their builds would suggest supplemental use. I would say that McMurry has quite a bit 'bigger' roster in terms of physical size than TLU, the UT Dallas team last year certainly did, and the Mississippi College teams of a 2-3 years ago were really large as well.

I think you are probably barking up the wrong tree with the accusation, particularly because of the way that program was run under the tenure of Bill Miller, and Burnett having served under him for so long. Both have always seemed to present themselves with integrity in my minimal experience watching them.

I wouldn't persume to accuse anyone of substance abuse, but if I were to look anywhere, I could probably be more prone to looking at teams that feature lots of junior college transfers. Those guys are competing for highly-competitive spots, and usually an opportunity to play division I baseball. I think they would be more prone to try steroids than a division III guy who's chances to go pro are VERY minimal and who have rosters relatively thin so that if you can play the game, chances are you'll get that opportunity.

It doesn't hurt that I have had plenty of JUCO players tell me they were "fed steroids like they were Advil."

I think with all that has gone on the last couple of years it is a lot less prevalent.

In any event, thanks for the laugh.

JSG

I plan on attending game 1 of the UMHB/TLU series.  I will actually get a program and learn a few names so i can identify the guys that appear to be eating a stronger than the reccommended dosage of their vitamins.....i really wasnt directly implying that any of them (TLU guys) were on performance enhancing drugs, but a few of them struck me as big guys, and for them to strike me as big guys and actually take the time to look at their website, then i guess i am indirectly implying that they are by bringing them up.  Im not sure if that made sense, but either way i will confirm my own opinion this weekend either tomorrow night or saturday and update you die hard D3 baseball fans.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Sader22 on March 28, 2008, 02:56:44 AM
Hambone just responded to your message via email and yeah its me, and no im not going to get a chance to make it down there and watch them play.  Let me know how it goes
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 28, 2008, 03:09:12 AM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on March 28, 2008, 02:37:02 AM
The scouting report said he had an arm, or no?


Scouting report says you can steal on this guy.  20/23 successful steal attempts.  he has thrown out only 3.  to his plea his case, logan hull (his ace pitcher) leads the conference in HBP so im sure he doesnt exactly execute on a pitch out either....which makes me wonder how much help he is getting from the rest of his staff?  But the arm i saw at the CTX series was a "live arm" ... just an observation.  ill check it out this weekend.  if anyone will test it, it will be that UMHB club...Froschel, Villegas, Volz, and White.  I might even take a stop watch so i can point fingers.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 28, 2008, 06:39:03 AM
Quote from: baseballfan24 on March 27, 2008, 02:33:29 PM
Anyone feel like throwing out some predictions for this weekend?

JSG, Ralph

I'll take the following:

McMurry sweeps Schreiner  But we sometimes slip up

UMHB wins 2 of 3 over TLU   If not sweeping the Bulldogs

Hardin-Simmons gets 2 of 3 from Concordia only because it is in Abilene - not sure if I believe my own prediction on this one

HPU wins 2 of 3 at Sul Ross   

Tyler sweeps UTD in Tyler - but watch out for Cox he is pretty good (UT-D's best chance for a win.)

LC wins 2 of 3 at ETBU

Ozarks sweeps Leteurneau

and Mississippi is playing Spalding - I know nothing about them  (Spalding KY -- a provisional member (http://www.spalding.edu/content.aspx?id=1854&cid=500))

Any thoughts?
Travel safely, all.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fungoman on March 28, 2008, 10:02:34 AM
Anyone know why I am not allowed to send private messages?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 28, 2008, 12:07:21 PM
Quote from: fungoman on March 28, 2008, 10:02:34 AM
Anyone know why I am not allowed to send private messages?

maybe try turning your pop-blocker of temporarily?  not sure if it is a status requirement either like if you have to become a second-stringer before you are granted PM priviledges.

....im no guru at this site, i just click on stuff and keep finding more options, but if while reading the main threads....for example page 61, and you wanted to send me one, look at a post that i put up and under Hambone there is 3 icon boxes...the one on the far right is the messenger.

make sure you are logged in.  you may need to go into actual email account that you used to settup your screenname and verify the first PM you send or recieve.  if those 3 or 4 things wont allow it to work then i dont know.

anyone else know?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 28, 2008, 01:08:25 PM
can someone please tell me what karma is?  why am i negative?  negative karma tells me that i shouldnt leave the house today....but im just sayin.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 28, 2008, 01:52:55 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on March 23, 2008, 08:55:37 PM
My picks for next weekend:

Ozarks sweeps LeTourneau
Mary Hardin-Baylor sweeps Texas Lutheran
Texas-Tyler sweeps Texas-Dallas
Louisiana College takes 2 from East Texas Baptist
Hardin-Simmons takes 2 from Concordia-Texas
Howard Payne takes 2 from Sul Ross State
McMurry sweeps Schreiner

These are my picks that I posted a few pages back.

And on a side note, good-natured smack talk is one thing, but will you three CTX musketeers (and anyone else who has been responding to them) please quit making personal statements about the other posters. Such behavior should be below anyone who is old enough to be posting on this board. You want to talk about someone else's team? Fine. But quit insulting people's intelligence and the like...it just makes it harder for the rest of us to discuss substance.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 28, 2008, 01:54:14 PM
Quote from: HAMBONE on March 28, 2008, 01:08:25 PM
can someone please tell me what karma is?  why am i negative?  negative karma tells me that i shouldnt leave the house today....but im just sayin.

1.) I don't know the answer to the about the pm system. It's probably a certain number of posts so that you don't have people just coming on and spamming members inboxes with ridiculous deals like, "Batting lessons for $1,000/hr."

2.) Karma is something that people with relatively large post counts can disperse to other members. It's kind of a harmless way to give people heads up. If someone has a -250 karma chances are they're a pain in the ass (though sometimes they do not what they're talking about when they're not being overly biased, spence). The alternative, if someone has good karma chances are it's safe to assume they've made a lot of valuable contributions to the board and are well-respected by their peers.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 28, 2008, 02:02:23 PM
okay good.  im gonna leave the house now.  i was looking out the windows for a black tom cat and a latter....im drivng to Belton in about 15 min....ill probably get  a speeding ticket on their campus b/c of my -1 karma...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 28, 2008, 02:09:45 PM
Personal stuff does get old, and as far as hambone, im not sure if that muskateer will ever grow up. Hambone keep me posted on todays game via text. Watch your language there in Belton and dont get on the blue to hard.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 28, 2008, 04:30:50 PM
TLU 2   UMHB 2   4th

Overcast , light percipitation.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 28, 2008, 05:39:15 PM
Ozarks 9 - LeTourneau 4

Winning Pitcher:
Todd Koch (4-2) - 7 IP, 5 H, 1 ER, 2 BB, 8 K

Losing Pitcher:
Tyler Kaminski - 7 IP, 12 H, 7 ER, 3 BB, 5 K

Ozarks:
John Glenn 2-4, 1 R, 1 RBI,
Scott Dietz 2-4, 1 R
Bruce Cameron 3-5, 2 R, 1 RBI, 1 2B
Cory Briggs  2-4, 2 R, 1 RBI, 2 2B

LeTourneau
Ethan Cravalho 2-4, 1 R, 1 RBI,
Ed Hurta 2-4, 1 R, 1 2B
Josh Brown 2-4,  1 R, 1 2B

JSG
-any updates on the TLU/UMHB game?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 28, 2008, 05:57:27 PM
UMHB 4 TLU 3

Hull hits a batter with the bases loaded and the CRU hangs on .
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 28, 2008, 07:14:46 PM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on March 28, 2008, 05:57:27 PM
UMHB 4 TLU 3

Hull hits a batter with the bases loaded and the CRU hangs on .

UMHB 3 - TLU 2 (http://www2.umhb.edu/sportsinfo/cbaseball/032808-a.htm)

Looks like it was a pretty solid game. Hull still getting himself in a little trouble with bad timing on those BBs and HBPs, but you'd like to think that if you hold UMHB to 3 runs and those top four hitters to a 2-15 day, that you have a good chance to win that game. I'd take that performance every time out against that team.

The bottom line is that TLU struck out entirely too much, particularly with two outs and chances to get a a run across. They can't seem to put all facets of the game together.

They say good teams find a way to win, evidently that's what happened here. You have to commend Garza on his job on the bump. He did a good job scattering the 10 hits, and struck out 11. He's not a power pitcher; TLU should be putting the ball in play and making things happen against a team that hasn't fielded that great this year.

It should be an interesting DH tomorrow. Did the loss diminish confidence and emotionally drain the Bulldogs or did it convince them they can play with UMHB? The starting pitching on Saturday has been suspect all year, but Wesson pitched well in his first start last weekend against McMurry. Can he duplicate that effort?

JSG



Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 28, 2008, 07:39:12 PM
Quote from: fungoman on March 28, 2008, 10:02:34 AM
Anyone know why I am not allowed to send private messages?
Pat had to disable PM privileges to "newbies" because some guy got on the message boards and started spamming.  >:(

You pick up those privileges after several levels of posting.

The ability to applaud or smite on the Karma comes after 201 posts.  JSG is right about the way it works.

I rarely smite someone, but I use "applaud" Karma very liberally for contributions to the site that help us all and/or give specific content.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 28, 2008, 07:41:50 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on March 28, 2008, 07:14:46 PM
UMHB 3 - TLU 2 (http://www2.umhb.edu/sportsinfo/cbaseball/032808-a.htm)

JSG

ARRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!  >:(

You hate to see a team that you are chasing pull one out like that!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 28, 2008, 08:03:01 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on March 28, 2008, 07:14:46 PM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on March 28, 2008, 05:57:27 PM
UMHB 4 TLU 3

Hull hits a batter with the bases loaded and the CRU hangs on .

UMHB 3 - TLU 2 (http://www2.umhb.edu/sportsinfo/cbaseball/032808-a.htm)

Looks like it was a pretty solid game. Hull still getting himself in a little trouble with bad timing on those BBs and HBPs, but you'd like to think that if you hold UMHB to 3 runs and those top four hitters to a 2-15 day, that you have a good chance to win that game. I'd take that performance every time out against that team.

The bottom line is that TLU struck out entirely too much, particularly with two outs and chances to get a a run across. They can't seem to put all facets of the game together.

They say good teams find a way to win, evidently that's what happened here. You have to commend Garza on his job on the bump. He did a good job scattering the 10 hits, and struck out 11. He's not a power pitcher; TLU should be putting the ball in play and making things happen against a team that hasn't fielded that great this year.

It should be an interesting DH tomorrow. Did the loss diminish confidence and emotionally drain the Bulldogs or did it convince them they can play with UMHB? The starting pitching on Saturday has been suspect all year, but Wesson pitched well in his first start last weekend against McMurry. Can he duplicate that effort?

JSG

I watched every single pitch of that game. 1st of all it was fairly cold, i usually know the weather, and it caught me by surprise when i got out of my car.  This cold weather brought precipitation and a steady wind that was blowing in the hitters faces the entire game about 10-15 mph.

TLU
im not convinced these guys cannot win 1 possibly even 2 games tomorrow.  For 1 as JSG noted, hopefully they were mature enough to see that they played right along side the #18 team in the nation and handed them the game.  They need to figure out really quickly how to hit on all cylinders.  For the most part it all came down to poor execution for the Bulldogs.  Not getting bunts down, steal attempts in the wrong situations, and a very lazy tempo.  Logan Hull through 26 consecutive 1st pitch fastballs at 1 point.  i mean i understand he only throws 2 pitches, and for the most part he shut the UMHB lineup down, but he needs to mix it up.  One would think that for a reagular starting pitcher (Hull) who threw 90% fastballs today would be able to control it enough to not hit a batter with the bases loaded....but he did, and it proved to be the winning run for the Crusaders.  The TLU hitters were taking fastballs and swinging and crap out of the strikezone after getting behing in the count.  They had plenty of oppurtunities to capitalize on UMHB's day off, but went ahead and took the day off themselves.  Hull's performance on paper may look good, but i think the wind blowing in the hitters faces is the cause for his success today.  He looked out of control and mindless on the mound.  He could easily take the control of the game if he would work quicker and mix uo his pitches.  in my mind, umhb handed tlu this game and tlu handed it right back to them.

umhb
this was my first hard focus on this ball club.  they didnt look any stronger than a struggling tlu team today.  rb garza did a great job of establishing command early and seemed to have a plan out on the mound.  he never got in serious trouble, and when tlu had runners in scoring position it was with 2 outs or with hitters with poor approaches at the plate.  he is by no means an overpowering pitcher, but once again, by throwing strikes and going right at the tlu hitters that refused to make adjustments with the wind blowing in, he was able to shut them down and throw a complete game.  the umhb bodies look weak as a whole....but noone can argue with the fact that they keep finding a way to win, so for right now, they stand as the best team in the west.


overall, slow paced game even though it only took 2 hrs 15 min...lots of timeouts, and mound visits, and timidness.  neither team looked as though they really wanted to win....its almost like umhb was waiting to see if TLU was really not very good this year and tlu was waiting to see if umhb was as good as everyone says they are.  neither team took control of the game, and neither team took advantage of both starting pitchers throwing 75%+ fastballs.  I think tomorrow is up in the air right now depending on how tlu responds to handing umhb the game.  either way tlu hasnt gotten eny better since their first conf series against ctx, and i saw a umhb team that looks very beatable if a BALLCLUB shows up to perform in Red Murff field.

and again i state, right now umhb is still the best team in the west, and right now they are finding ways to win...kudos to them, and kudos to rb garza for his complete game performance.




Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 28, 2008, 08:05:12 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on March 28, 2008, 07:14:46 PM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on March 28, 2008, 05:57:27 PM
UMHB 4 TLU 3

Hull hits a batter with the bases loaded and the CRU hangs on .

UMHB 3 - TLU 2 (http://www2.umhb.edu/sportsinfo/cbaseball/032808-a.htm)

Looks like it was a pretty solid game. Hull still getting himself in a little trouble with bad timing on those BBs and HBPs, but you'd like to think that if you hold UMHB to 3 runs and those top four hitters to a 2-15 day, that you have a good chance to win that game. I'd take that performance every time out against that team.

The bottom line is that TLU struck out entirely too much, particularly with two outs and chances to get a a run across. They can't seem to put all facets of the game together.

They say good teams find a way to win, evidently that's what happened here. You have to commend Garza on his job on the bump. He did a good job scattering the 10 hits, and struck out 11. He's not a power pitcher; TLU should be putting the ball in play and making things happen against a team that hasn't fielded that great this year.

It should be an interesting DH tomorrow. Did the loss diminish confidence and emotionally drain the Bulldogs or did it convince them they can play with UMHB? The starting pitching on Saturday has been suspect all year, but Wesson pitched well in his first start last weekend against McMurry. Can he duplicate that effort?

JSG




I watched every single pitch of that game. 1st of all it was fairly cold, i usually know the weather, and it caught me by surprise when i got out of my car.  This cold weather brought precipitation and a steady wind that was blowing in the hitters faces the entire game about 10-15 mph.

TLU
im not convinced these guys cannot win 1 possibly even 2 games tomorrow.  For 1 as JSG noted, hopefully they were mature enough to see that they played right along side the #18 team in the nation and handed them the game.  They need to figure out really quickly how to hit on all cylinders.  For the most part it all came down to poor execution for the Bulldogs.  Not getting bunts down, steal attempts in the wrong situations, and a very lazy tempo.  Logan Hull through 26 consecutive 1st pitch fastballs at 1 point.  i mean i understand he only throws 2 pitches, and for the most part he shut the UMHB lineup down, but he needs to mix it up.  One would think that for a reagular starting pitcher (Hull) who threw 90% fastballs today would be able to control it enough to not hit a batter with the bases loaded....but he did, and it proved to be the winning run for the Crusaders.  The TLU hitters were taking fastballs and swinging and crap out of the strikezone after getting behing in the count.  They had plenty of oppurtunities to capitalize on UMHB's day off, but went ahead and took the day off themselves.  Hull's performance on paper may look good, but i think the wind blowing in the hitters faces is the cause for his success today.  He looked out of control and mindless on the mound.  He could easily take the control of the game if he would work quicker and mix uo his pitches.  in my mind, umhb handed tlu this game and tlu handed it right back to them.

umhb
this was my first hard focus on this ball club.  they didnt look any stronger than a struggling tlu team today.  rb garza did a great job of establishing command early and seemed to have a plan out on the mound.  he never got in serious trouble, and when tlu had runners in scoring position it was with 2 outs or with hitters with poor approaches at the plate.  he is by no means an overpowering pitcher, but once again, by throwing strikes and going right at the tlu hitters that refused to make adjustments with the wind blowing in, he was able to shut them down and throw a complete game.  the umhb bodies look weak as a whole....but noone can argue with the fact that they keep finding a way to win, so for right now, they stand as the best team in the west.


overall, slow paced game even though it only took 2 hrs 15 min...lots of timeouts, and mound visits, and timidness.  neither team looked as though they really wanted to win....its almost like umhb was waiting to see if TLU was really not very good this year and tlu was waiting to see if umhb was as good as everyone says they are.  neither team took control of the game, and neither team took advantage of both starting pitchers throwing 75%+ fastballs.  I think tomorrow is up in the air right now depending on how tlu responds to handing umhb the game.  either way tlu hasnt gotten eny better since their first conf series against ctx, and i saw a umhb team that looks very beatable if a BALLCLUB shows up to perform in Red Murff field.

and again i state, right now umhb is still the best team in the west, and right now they are finding ways to win...kudos to them, and kudos to rb garza for his complete game performance.


Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 28, 2008, 08:11:39 PM
Great analysis.

+1 karma

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 28, 2008, 09:21:05 PM
McMurry gets to Schreiner's Armijo in the bottom of the fifth for 4 runs on 6 straight hits to go ahead 5-0.

McMurry broadcast (http://pointers.audiovideoweb.com/asxfiles-live/va92winlive2274.asx)

McM's Johnston is still on the mound thru 5.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 28, 2008, 09:26:37 PM
HSU 2-1 over CTX in the 6th.

McM 7-0 thru 5.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 28, 2008, 09:27:33 PM
UT Dallas leading UT Tyler 7-6 in the top of the 8th...

Dallas roughed up Ryan Campbell pretty good.
Mark Cox is out of the game for Dallas as well.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 28, 2008, 10:14:16 PM
McMurry leads 10-0 in the bottom of the 8th.

3B Derek David is 3-5 with 2 runs and 4 RBI including a double and solo HR.


McM 10-0 (http://athletics.mcm.edu/news/baseball/2008/3/28/032808bsb2.asp).

Johnston gets a 3-hit shutout.  12 K's, 1 BB in a Complete Game.  (123 pitches.)

David's HR was his 12th of the season.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fungoman on March 28, 2008, 10:35:37 PM
Just got home from the park....UT Dallas upsets Tyler 9-7.

All I have to say is that Campbell did not have his slider tonight. They roughed him up pretty good.

Let the jabbing begin to my Patriots.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on March 28, 2008, 10:48:51 PM
Clint Johnston hurls a 3-hit shutout, 12K

http://athletics.mcm.edu/News/baseball/2008/3/28/032808bsb2.asp (http://athletics.mcm.edu/News/baseball/2008/3/28/032808bsb2.asp)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 28, 2008, 11:12:34 PM
HSU 6, CTX 2 (http://hsuathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/stats/2007-2008/hsubsb24.html)

Good game by the Cowboys towards getting themselves back into tourney contention.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 29, 2008, 10:15:57 AM
HPU 19 SRSU 6.   HPU scored 9 runs in the 5th to take control of the game.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 29, 2008, 04:45:16 PM
McM 7, SU 3; Curry pitches a 7-inning complete game and gives up no earned runs.


McM 10, SU 0; RHP Dakota Smith gives up 4 hits and strikes out 9 in 8.2 innings.  He loads the bases in the top of the 9th.  LHP Kyle Martin gets the ground-out to end the game.

Game reports by mcmsid should be up later.

(Thanks mcmsid.   ;)  )
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 29, 2008, 07:23:37 PM
UTT takes from UTD today 5-3 and 7-0. Brooher throws 2 hit shutout in the 9 inning nightcap striking out 10. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on March 29, 2008, 07:48:31 PM
http://athletics.mcm.edu/News/baseball/2008/3/29/032908bsb2.asp (http://athletics.mcm.edu/News/baseball/2008/3/29/032908bsb2.asp)

No earned runs by McMurry pitchers in series sweep
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 29, 2008, 11:31:28 PM
1.     Mary Hardin-Baylor     9-3         21-6            at SU/   CTX/         at HPU
2.      McMurry                  8-4       18-11           at CTX/ HPU/         at SRSU
       Howard Payne            8-4        13-13           HSU/     at McM/    UMHB
4.    Concordia                 7-5         19-11           McM/     at UMHB/  SU
5.    Hardin-Simmons          5-7        14-12          at HPU/ SRSU/       at TLU
       Texas Lutheran         5-7          15-15          SRSU/    at SU/      HSU
       Schreiner                   5-7         8-20          UMHB/   TLU/         at CTX
8.    Sul Ross State            1-11       4-22          at TLU/  at HSU/    McM


I think that SRSU is almost mathematically eliminated.  HPU and CTX have the tie-breaker on SRSU. The Lobos seem to be 6.5 games out of 4th with 9 games to  play.  That being said, it is a 7-team race.

UMHB has a 1 game lead plus the season series over McMurry for the #1 seed in the West.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 30, 2008, 02:01:01 AM
I had 18 of 21 game picks right and 4 of the 7 series. How did everyone else do?


I swear, I'm not trying to sound cocky/arrogant/etc.....I'm just posting this at 1 AM after getting off work. Sorry if that comes across badly.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 30, 2008, 02:56:32 AM
Quote from: CUAfan on March 30, 2008, 02:01:01 AM
I had 18 of 21 game picks right and 4 of the 7 series. How did everyone else do?

I swear, I'm not trying to sound cocky/arrogant/etc.....I'm just posting this at 1 AM after getting off work. Sorry if that comes across badly.
I just need CTX to let McMurry sweep the series, while CTX takes 2 of 3 from UMHB!  ;)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fungoman on March 30, 2008, 11:54:04 AM
East Standings:

1. UT Tyler               7-2
    Miss. College       7-2
    La. College          7-2
    Ozarks                 9-3
    LeTourneau         2-7
    UTD                     2-10
    ETBU                   2-10

I think ETBU and UTD are virtually out although I am sure there is some weird scenario where they could possibly get 4th.

Should be an interesting next 3 weeks with alot of games between the top 4 for seeding.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 31, 2008, 10:19:10 AM
16 out of 21 here.
did better on the east side, which i dont keep up with as much. go figure!

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 31, 2008, 10:49:43 AM
Quote from: Bman3 on March 31, 2008, 10:19:10 AM
16 out of 21 here.
did better on the east side, which i dont keep up with as much. go figure!
Two thoughts on that...

1)  Less emotional attachment to the outcome of games in the East.
2)  More predictable games last week.

The West is a real "crap shoot".
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on March 31, 2008, 11:29:05 AM
Hammy is there going to be a radio brodcast on this weekends games?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on March 31, 2008, 12:13:50 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 29, 2008, 11:31:28 PM
1.     Mary Hardin-Baylor     9-3         21-6            at SU/   CTX/         at HPU
2.      McMurry                  8-4       18-11           at CTX/ HPU/         at SRSU
       Howard Payne            8-4        13-13           HSU/     at McM/    UMHB
4.    Concordia                 7-5         19-11           McM/     at UMHB/  SU
5.    Hardin-Simmons          5-7        14-12          at HPU/ SRSU/       at TLU
       Texas Lutheran         5-7          15-15          SRSU/    at SU/      HSU
       Schreiner                   5-7         8-20          UMHB/   TLU/         at CTX
8.    Sul Ross State            1-11       4-22          at TLU/  at HSU/    McM

It looks like the West is going to come down to the last game. I haven't followed HPU much this year, but they have put up some pretty large numbers in the runs column. Right now they are tied for 2nd, however, they have the toughest schedule down the stretch with: HSU, @McM, UMHB....with this, i dont see them making the playoffs.

I have UMHB and McM staying where they are, and CTX locking in 3rd with a series sweep over SU the last weekend of the year.

I think that the 4th and final spot goes to the winner of the final game of the year between HSU @ TLU. And as bad as TLU has played ALL YEAR, I think they find a way into the playoffs. They have the weakest schedule down the stretch...i see them sweeping SRSU, 2 from SU, and 2 from HSU. With their past... it is always hard for me to count those guys out.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fungoman on March 31, 2008, 06:41:22 PM
I don't know if I like Concordia losing, because nothing gets said on here the week after they get showed up.  Where you at Hambone?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on April 01, 2008, 09:23:44 AM
Fungo dad , looks like you need to worry about UTT and how they need to get back on track after their weekend guy.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fungoman on April 01, 2008, 10:50:37 AM
Since when does a team need to get back on track after winning 2 out of 3? Looks as if Concordia does nothing unless Tommy hits a homer, which he has lost the ASC lead to Derek David. I know that is all you guys had, and its gone now.

By the way, we smoked you 2 out of three as well...

HAMBONE is in hiding it looks like, hopefully you guys play Sul Ross this weekend so you can get back on track.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on April 01, 2008, 11:00:59 AM
Smoked Concordia, hmm I was at that series and im not sure it was smoke, but you being the dad you probably know more about baseball than me, so ill just be quit. As far as being on track, with your talk I thought UTT was not going to lose a game the whole year. As far as CTX,  yeah they lost 2 of 3 and we didnt go to the series so its hard to go about what happend, and i dotn base a series off boxscores coach.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fungoman on April 01, 2008, 11:21:34 AM
I would call it getting smoked when you need 6 runs in the last 3 innings of a game to avoid being swept. Somone should tell your SID to post a news story, and perhaps boxscores even when you guys lose. Just checked out your schedule page, and you guys are still living in denial from this past weekend I guess.

Where you at HAMBONE?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on April 01, 2008, 11:40:15 AM
Wow do you really watch baseball, what is your "hard on" for Concordia. Is it the fact  you cant get over our run in the past, that we talk about to get you riled up. Not sure but you seem very inteligent, and we did stop talking about that. If im not mistaken that series was 2 our 3 to your highly touted UTTyler Longhorns, and I was there. CTX took the first game, the second game was close until the last inning , and the third went wide open in the 4th or 5th. And after hearing how UTT was so AWESOME, after the series I really cant say they were everything built up to be.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 01, 2008, 12:10:09 PM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on April 01, 2008, 11:40:15 AM
UTTyler Longhorns

Blackcat, it's the Patriots. And say what you will, but UTT has been better this year than CTX.

I still don't get the purpose of all this back-and-forth smack talk. All it does is get people riled up and it doesn't do anything really useful to the board.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on April 01, 2008, 12:14:09 PM
Oh CUA Fan I didnt know your were the moderator. Keep doing your formulas and figure out whos going to win this weekend. And we are talking baseball so I have no clue what your talking about, and it is a good time to get riled up on here, if thats not you join a war craft message board.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 01, 2008, 12:22:07 PM
Here's the new set of statistical Top 5's after last week's games. One new thing I did for the team stats is that I calculated the percentage of a team's plate appearances that ended in one of the "three true outcomes" (homer, walk, strikeout). Everything else is the same as before.

Team DICE
Texas-Tyler - 3.25
Louisiana College - 3.45
Ozarks - 3.52
Mississippi College - 4.16
McMurry - 4.37

Team BaseRun Average
Texas-Tyler - 3.81
Ozarks - 4.19
Mississippi College - 5.11
Texas-Dallas - 5.12
Louisiana College - 5.30

Team Defense
Texas-Tyler - .689
Texas-Dallas - .682
Mary Hardin-Baylor - .680
Ozarks - .674
Mississippi College - .669

Team BsR/PA
Mary Hardin-Baylor - .216
Texas-Tyler - .215
McMurry - .212
Ozarks - .208
Concordia-Texas - .205

Team Speed
Mary Hardin-Baylor - 8.92
Mississippi College - 8.42
Texas-Tyler - 8.41
Ozarks - 7.91
Schreiner - 7.78

Three True Outcome %
Schreiner - 27.1%
Sul Ross State - 25.6%
East Texas Baptist - 24.6%
Concordia-Texas - 23.6%
Texas-Dallas - 22.3%
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 01, 2008, 01:03:07 PM
UTT has shown some chinks in the armor.  Cambell was not good two weeks in a row and especially this past weekend. Still I thought Vilade was a bit quick with the hook  as they really do not have a long releif guy they can count on. Overall their bullpen is very average. They have on more than one occassion blown late leads. I personally would have stuck with Cambell and see if he could have worked  his way though it.  This team also does not have the power that past UTT teams have shown.

Bottom line is they are good but not nearly the team of a year ago and right now I am not so sure they have the pitching depth to go very far in the conference tournament. Just my opinion.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on April 01, 2008, 01:04:24 PM
I am still around.  no i havent been posting, sorry my laptop is down for the count and this particular model didnt comne with a "drivers" or reboot disk to fix the problem, apparently the resources are hidden in the startup bios somewhere and i cant figure it out.....anyway, until i get it fixed i will not be on here daily.

CTX lost 2 of 3 yes, but that actually didnt surprise me.  I am well aware they are struggling on the bump and will do nothing but support their cause, but they really didnt give me any thing to brag about....if Tom had hit 3 bombs i could atleast say something, but he was 0 for the series so its safe to say that with out pitching if he doesnt swing it their chances diminish quickly.  I will say something to defend his cause.....he was (ans is still at the top in all 4) leading the conference in Hr's, Slugging percentage, Strikeouts, and walks (regular and intentional)....that tells me when he gets a pitch a hit he hits it hard and well, when nooone is pitching to him he gets impatient and and swings at stuff out of the zone which is a cause for the strikeouts and the fact that he swings harder than most people and when you swing big you miss big......only he can figure this out for himself and when he decides to mature as a hitter and not necessarily become selective but develop an approach at the plate that allows him not to miss his pitch....he will have these ups and downs when teams decide to not pitch for him...

im excited to see a 7 team race in the west...some hearts are gonna get broken in the next few weeks, but i am a living, breathing, example that life goes on after baseball...  

ill post later tonight after i have some time to do some research from all of last weekends games....i am not hiding, just dont have a computer at my side like ususal.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on April 01, 2008, 01:10:30 PM
Blackcat00 tone down it notch tough guy....noone lost the pennant last weekend....as much as we would all like a loss to hurt the UTT ballclub, they have already qualified for the tourney....so in my mind a loss actually help them right now as it allows them to fix any weaknesses before they move on....you need to be a little more concerned about the race in the west....if our beloved tornadoes cant win on the road they willnot survive IF they make it to the post season.....anyone can win at home, but the good teams feel right at home everytime they take the field.....

only TLU has the class to feel so at home that if they beat you they celebrate on your field like they have never won before....they actually serve refreshments at the the parties they have at home plate when someone actually hits a homerun; its brutal.

hambone out
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on April 01, 2008, 01:29:08 PM
Hambone good to see  you back, nice analysis on the weekend series. Are you sure your pops isnt Peter Gammons. YOu know me im just messing with these guys on here in all fun and games. I will be at the Friday night game against McMurry and hopefully it will be a close watchable game because it could go either way.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: wetsu on April 01, 2008, 04:41:46 PM
Quote from: pitchinmom on May 10, 2007, 08:36:36 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on May 10, 2007, 05:14:35 PM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on May 10, 2007, 12:31:25 PM
Also what I noticed that is unbeleivable is how Coach Mike Gardner from Concordia hsnt received coach of the year at all. That be saying hes the only coach from the ASC conference to reach the Div3 World Series. Makes you think is there some bias because they love Mueller at TLU and they are the Buffolo Bills of the ASC when it comes to the REgionals.

Wow! You put your finger right on it. The anti-Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod conspiracy amongst the ASC coaches rears its ugly head ... again.  :o
I don't know how the Coach of the Year is selected, but Gardner is definitely more than that in my books!  He's not only a remarkable coach who is highly respected by his players, he's an all around great man.  I have seen my son mature greatly over the last couple of years and as much as I would like to take the credit, I know that Garnder has had more to do with it than anyone.  I couldn't have asked for my son to have been in any better hands. 
I'm sorry.  I respect your opinion and am happy for you and your son.  I totally disagree.  Gardner has totally destroyed my son's confidence and desire as well.  I feel like he had a grudge against my son because he stated that he was angry that he didn't commit to him earlier (he was waiting on a DII school to offer him a scholarship).  From the day he enrolled Gardner put him in no win situations to let him know how offended he was that he might pick a DII school over his "heavenly blessed"  DIII non scholarship, tuition out the wazzoo school.  Needless to say, I am not happy with how he treated this 18 year old kid.  If I could do anything detrimental to him, I would.  He has hurt my son. So, I disagree, and I think he is a worthless piece of excrement!  But still, I know that it seems to work both ways, but I just wanted the other way to be stated.  He is not God's gift to baseball.  Besides his players were talented enough to make it to the Series that year anyway had you or I been coaching them.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on April 01, 2008, 04:51:29 PM
Westu you need to leave your personal thoughts and opinions about coaches to  yourself. Noone cares!Their are always bad apples on every team with negative parents, and im sorry you have a grudge for a very respectible coach in the ASC. You need have a reality check my friend.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on April 01, 2008, 04:54:21 PM
Maybe he should have went with Lacrosse.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sportsfan61 on April 01, 2008, 05:41:08 PM
Starters for HSU-UT Tyler

HSU - Sam Walker 1-1, 7.77 ERA, LHP
UT Tyler - Lex Wolfe 1-0, 3.24 ERA, RHP
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on April 01, 2008, 05:59:35 PM
HPU 3 UD 1 Final Game 1

UD 3 HPU 1 in the 4th of Game 2
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fungoman on April 01, 2008, 06:30:39 PM
Glad to see you around again HAMBONE. You seem to be taking the losses much better tahn Blackcat. I guess he still doesn't realize I am talking about game one of the Concordia, Tyler series when Concordia needed 6 runs in the last 3 to come back and win. That win kept them from being swept. Is that too hard to comprehend?

CUAFan provides more insight to this board with one of his stat posts than you have in your last 20 Blackcat, so they are much appreciated. Maybe he is just upset his Tornados aren't in any of the stats except the one with all the bottom teams in the divisions. Keep them coming!

As I post this... my Patriots have just batted around to take the lead vs Hardin-Simmons 4-2 in the 2nd.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on April 01, 2008, 08:18:57 PM
Here's an update on Jonathan Miller (Concordia-TX alum):

http://www.rivercityrascals.com/cgi-bin/dist/news.cgi?id=4

(Note:  Scroll down a bit,)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 01, 2008, 11:41:28 PM

Final Score UTT 17 and HSU 6

HSU scored 4 runs in the first two innings getting to Wolfe but their pitching staff was really exposed as  UTT scored in almost every inning.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on April 01, 2008, 11:42:04 PM
Quote from: fungoman on April 01, 2008, 06:30:39 PM
Glad to see you around again HAMBONE. You seem to be taking the losses much better tahn Blackcat. I guess he still doesn't realize I am talking about game one of the Concordia, Tyler series when Concordia needed 6 runs in the last 3 to come back and win. That win kept them from being swept. Is that too hard to comprehend?

CUAFan provides more insight to this board with one of his stat posts than you have in your last 20 Blackcat, so they are much appreciated. Maybe he is just upset his Tornados aren't in any of the stats except the one with all the bottom teams in the divisions. Keep them coming!

As I post this... my Patriots have just batted around to take the lead vs Hardin-Simmons 4-2 in the 2nd.

you are correct fungoman...as always you do your research...maybe our wisdom will come with time like yours...like maybe after we have a kid playing...but until then we will continue to post with remarks that make some hairs stand up as we are all recent college graduates and are not used to spectating...i hope that you can understand?

i take losses well.  i understand that baseball is a game of failure...it is a game of adjsutments and angles....it is a game that is considered a team-sport but the outcome relies soley on indiviual performance...you may say that all team sports rely collectively on indiviual performance, but how many of those sports have a salary cap?  wel i can think of 3 and this msg board only covers 1 of those.  i also understand that CTX isnt working with much of a pitching staff this year, but niether is the rest of the west....hencew the # of rising d3 batting champions we hae on our hands...the pitching is bad enough to hit the good hitters bats and then put the good hitters right back into a preverbial slump......i do not have anything to criticize the east about other than paper #'s and that is what i rely on cuafan and Just_Some_Guy to analyze b/c their analysis is unbiased baswed on both divisions stats....i have first-hand knowledge of what goes on in the west and what type of players are producing the double-digit #'sw that you read of on the internet.................

i also understand what you meant about needing to score six runs to keep from getting swept.....that is a good point that you made.  Thee UTT-Patriots are a good club. regardless of the prediction opr the innings it took to score the runs CTX did win that game and UTT won the next 2.   I have not and will not (until their is a phenom in austin)  claim that CTX is better than any team, first of all they havent proveed to dominate anyone, and they have plenty of things to work on.  Nor has CTX been ranked in the top 5 in the country so them losing isnt as much surprising as the beloved patriots...so with that in mind it would make as much sense to say that the unbeatable team with the best pitching in the conference was beat by an underdog west team (ctx).....but we both know its baseball, utt was on the road...it was early...it was a new field....tom williams was hot and thats all they have...whatever the case maybe, they are all excuses and that is why the asc does not count the cross-over games anymore...what we4 have at present is a 7 team dogfight for the conf tourney and it will only get bloodier from here on out.......i plan on seeing some raquet-balls and golf ballsflying out of some bats...this is when its gets fun....everyone loves offense and everyone respects defense+that means we respect the east, but we4 love the west.

blackcat00...lay off fungoman....if he realized the patriots were in the tourney he would laydown silently and let everyone sleep...but he is drawing attention to the team that is supposed to be perfect...man i wish i could lace up my spikes again and jump into this race for the title....this has to be the most competitive year yet...Mr Jacoby would love this athletic competition!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on April 02, 2008, 12:51:42 AM

I'm sorry.  I respect your opinion and am happy for you and your son.  I totally disagree.  Gardner has totally destroyed my son's confidence and desire as well.  I feel like he had a grudge against my son because he stated that he was angry that he didn't commit to him earlier (he was waiting on a DII school to offer him a scholarship).  From the day he enrolled Gardner put him in no win situations to let him know how offended he was that he might pick a DII school over his "heavenly blessed"  DIII non scholarship, tuition out the wazzoo school.  Needless to say, I am not happy with how he treated this 18 year old kid.  If I could do anything detrimental to him, I would.  He has hurt my son. So, I disagree, and I think he is a worthless piece of excrement!  But still, I know that it seems to work both ways, but I just wanted the other way to be stated.  He is not God's gift to baseball.  Besides his players were talented enough to make it to the Series that year anyway had you or I been coaching them.
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I'm sorry.  I respect your opinion and am happy for you and your son.  I totally disagree.  Gardner has totally destroyed my son's confidence and desire as well.  I feel like he had a grudge against my son because he stated that he was angry that he didn't commit to him earlier (he was waiting on a DII school to offer him a scholarship).  From the day he enrolled Gardner put him in no win situations to let him know how offended he was that he might pick a DII school over his "heavenly blessed"  DIII non scholarship, tuition out the wazzoo school.  Needless to say, I am not happy with how he treated this 18 year old kid.  If I could do anything detrimental to him, I would.  He has hurt my son. So, I disagree, and I think he is a worthless piece of excrement!  But still, I know that it seems to work both ways, but I just wanted the other way to be stated.  He is not God's gift to baseball.  Besides his players were talented enough to make it to the Series that year anyway had you or I been coaching them.
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EXCUSE ME...first of all, let me welcome you "GUEST" to board...You apparently have no clue whatsoever....look around and grab one, as they are all around. 

First let me say that you just posted to a message that was presented on this board over a year ago....noone here know what you are talking about (except me, or anyone that took the time to dig through the archives to understand what you are referring too).

Second, you state that coach gardner has destroyyed all your sons confidence and desire as well.....with all do respect sir...if he cannot control his confidence level and desire for a game that he desrves a scholarship for then he does not need a scholarship or to play that particualr sport...ever....in this case it is the game of baseball.....if you have ever studied any book on baseball the best hitters of the game hit .400 and the best pitchers are very slim...baseball is game of failure....deal with it....you even speak of the beloved d3 college wqorld series....ctx was 2 and out...that is failure, but at the same time it was success...be a father and read between the lines, quit feeling sorry for yourself and do your son a favor and quit feeling sorry for him...by this time, i assume he is an adult and will need his life lessons to raise a family, not a d3 baseball resume.

you state that coach gardner was angry at your son b/c he was waiting on a d3 baseball scholarship....i think every d3 baseball player was waiting on a dII baseball scholarship, so that is a piss poor excuse.....  those who wait around find themselves searching for the back of the line....LEAD, FOLLOW, OR GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY.....hopefully you understand what that means....if you do not, then you qwill probably be responding to this post some time in 2010 season complaining about all the sarcasm on this board.

you also state that GARDNER put him in no-win situations!!!! you obviously know nothing about baseball.....let me expalin it again if you cannot understand statistics...baseball is a game of failure.  even if the team was losing when your son pitched, he still had the odds on his side to succeed......the best hitter ever failed 7 out of 10 times......???????? think about it.  if he was that good, then he wouldnt have been playing on a team that could not field...."ALL ELSE EQUALS" ... ever heard that before?  Ill give you a hint, it was not written in 2007.

first of all the "heavenly blessed" comment was not necessary, but i am only defending GOD on this one...you might want to ask this entire boasrd for forgiveness....even though we cannot let you in baseball heaven, you are talking to a baseball board that supports private institutions, not belittle them liek yourself.  secondly, the "tuition out the wazzo" statement....what the hell?  are the only one that the schoole raped out of money?  if your son was so heavenly blessed by the baseball gods then why did he not get that so beloved DII scholarship he waited around on?  noone here feels sorry for you.  most of us have student loan payment to deal with.....i can tell you one thing, i have plenty of plaques on my wall that says i was "GOOD" in the same conference you arwe bitching about and i still write a check every month, so you might want to rethink who you are complaining to....none of us feel sorry for you or your son who is still wating around.

If you could do anything detrimental to him you would?  are you serious?  if you were you would have already done it.  if you do, its in the first degree b/c it is premeditated.  why dont you start by looking yourself in the mirror.  just b/c you wait around doesnt mean you are a failure.  your son is probably good.  i do not even know his name or his pitching style but i am trying to teach you a lesson.  you held him back, now he is suffering, and you are pointing fingers on a message board.....there are no players of the week on this message board...  why dont you create a profile like the rest of us and join us once ina while.

next you say "worthless piece of excretement" .... i think i missed something here....didnt you send your son to go play for this man?  didnt you sign the student loan papers?  didnt your tell your son to wait around for a free scholarship from the DII program?  YOU ARE RETARDED....DI programs only get 12 scholarships...yes that means the beloved UT also....most teams travel with 18-25 players...do the math smart guy...if your son was any good the best he would have been offered was books, tuition, and fees...that is still not a full scholarship an dvery few get that offer at a DI program.....get off you high horse and smell the coffee (the best coffee is at Dunkin Donuts BTW)....

Next you say that "Coach Gardner is not Gods Gift To Baseball" ... noone stated that he was ... if you ever pay attenetion or have been to cooperstown....the only people that were gods gift to baseball attended Jose Canseco's Bar-B-Q with Roger Clemens in 2001...I believe that Andy Pettite was there but he "MISREMEMBERS"...take that for what its worth.  in fact i think that your son might have benefeted from the supplements that were distributed at that "Bar-B-Q"

your last statement about "you or her coaching our world series team"  really told me that you did not understand the game of baseball or concordia's success for that matter..you are retarded...first of all, if you were our coach we probably be just waiting around for someone to tell us if we were good just like your son...second, noone on my team would paly for you...noone.  probably not even your son, b/c i would convince him that I wa better than you (and he would believe me, believe me)...third of all, if you knew anything about anyting, you would know that if your son was not handle being un-successful at a D3 program then hes hould have pursued a different route to happiness...how many time do you see MAJOR LEAGUE PLAYERS coming back from retirement?  HOW MANY COLLEGE BASBALL PLAYERS MAKE IT TO THE BIG LEAGUES?  1 out of ever 10,000 college baseball players makes it to the major leagues.....i had the success story starting the 5A all-star all-state game in TEXAS in 2000 as a catcher and was a 2-time all-american nominee and all-west region catcher and all-west region DH.....I struck out my last college at-bat in the 2004 ASC conf tourney.....COACH GARDNER prepared me for that at-bat so-well i was happy to shake the MISSISSIPI COLLEGE PITCHER'S hand after the game, i was proud of him.  i had all the accomplsihments in the world, i never got drafted...AND I DEALT WITH IT....if you are a man with testosteone and hair on your chest then you will do the same...GOOD LUCK GUEST...grow some balls and get a screenname!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on April 02, 2008, 01:00:37 AM
Quote from: wetsu on April 01, 2008, 04:41:46 PM
Quote from: pitchinmom on May 10, 2007, 08:36:36 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on May 10, 2007, 05:14:35 PM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on May 10, 2007, 12:31:25 PM
Also what I noticed that is unbeleivable is how Coach Mike Gardner from Concordia hsnt received coach of the year at all. That be saying hes the only coach from the ASC conference to reach the Div3 World Series. Makes you think is there some bias because they love Mueller at TLU and they are the Buffolo Bills of the ASC when it comes to the REgionals.

Wow! You put your finger right on it. The anti-Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod conspiracy amongst the ASC coaches rears its ugly head ... again.  :o
I don't know how the Coach of the Year is selected, but Gardner is definitely more than that in my books!  He's not only a remarkable coach who is highly respected by his players, he's an all around great man.  I have seen my son mature greatly over the last couple of years and as much as I would like to take the credit, I know that Garnder has had more to do with it than anyone.  I couldn't have asked for my son to have been in any better hands. 
I'm sorry.  I respect your opinion and am happy for you and your son.  I totally disagree.  Gardner has totally destroyed my son's confidence and desire as well.  I feel like he had a grudge against my son because he stated that he was angry that he didn't commit to him earlier (he was waiting on a DII school to offer him a scholarship).  From the day he enrolled Gardner put him in no win situations to let him know how offended he was that he might pick a DII school over his "heavenly blessed"  DIII non scholarship, tuition out the wazzoo school.  Needless to say, I am not happy with how he treated this 18 year old kid.  If I could do anything detrimental to him, I would.  He has hurt my son. So, I disagree, and I think he is a worthless piece of excrement!  But still, I know that it seems to work both ways, but I just wanted the other way to be stated.  He is not God's gift to baseball.  Besides his players were talented enough to make it to the Series that year anyway had you or I been coaching them.

sorry for the typo (i dleted the
Quoteand it looke i typed 13 paragraphs..., i guess i took up a whole page by myself....please read it all and refer back to his (wetsu) original messages to understand my true meaning...i really do respect every players dad on this message board....but when they degrade anothers players dad, and belittle him, and use him as an excuse it baffles me....grow up... if you are good you will play somewhere, if you are not, you will complain on a message board...... HERE IS TO YOU WETSU...please "PACK-A-LUNCH" ......

I'm sorry.  I respect your opinion and am happy for you and your son.  I totally disagree.  Gardner has totally destroyed my son's confidence and desire as well.  I feel like he had a grudge against my son because he stated that he was angry that he didn't commit to him earlier (he was waiting on a DII school to offer him a scholarship).  From the day he enrolled Gardner put him in no win situations to let him know how offended he was that he might pick a DII school over his "heavenly blessed"  DIII non scholarship, tuition out the wazzoo school.  Needless to say, I am not happy with how he treated this 18 year old kid.  If I could do anything detrimental to him, I would.  He has hurt my son. So, I disagree, and I think he is a worthless piece of excrement!  But still, I know that it seems to work both ways, but I just wanted the other way to be stated.  He is not God's gift to baseball.  Besides his players were talented enough to make it to the Series that year anyway had you or I been coaching them.
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EXCUSE ME...first of all, let me welcome you "GUEST" to board...You apparently have no clue whatsoever....look around and grab one, as they are all around. 

First let me say that you just posted to a message that was presented on this board over a year ago....noone here know what you are talking about (except me, or anyone that took the time to dig through the archives to understand what you are referring too).

Second, you state that coach gardner has destroyyed all your sons confidence and desire as well.....with all do respect sir...if he cannot control his confidence level and desire for a game that he desrves a scholarship for then he does not need a scholarship or to play that particualr sport...ever....in this case it is the game of baseball.....if you have ever studied any book on baseball the best hitters of the game hit .400 and the best pitchers are very slim...baseball is game of failure....deal with it....you even speak of the beloved d3 college wqorld series....ctx was 2 and out...that is failure, but at the same time it was success...be a father and read between the lines, quit feeling sorry for yourself and do your son a favor and quit feeling sorry for him...by this time, i assume he is an adult and will need his life lessons to raise a family, not a d3 baseball resume.

you state that coach gardner was angry at your son b/c he was waiting on a d3 baseball scholarship....i think every d3 baseball player was waiting on a dII baseball scholarship, so that is a piss poor excuse.....  those who wait around find themselves searching for the back of the line....LEAD, FOLLOW, OR GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY.....hopefully you understand what that means....if you do not, then you qwill probably be responding to this post some time in 2010 season complaining about all the sarcasm on this board.

you also state that GARDNER put him in no-win situations!!!! you obviously know nothing about baseball.....let me expalin it again if you cannot understand statistics...baseball is a game of failure.  even if the team was losing when your son pitched, he still had the odds on his side to succeed......the best hitter ever failed 7 out of 10 times......???????? think about it.  if he was that good, then he wouldnt have been playing on a team that could not field...."ALL ELSE EQUALS" ... ever heard that before?  Ill give you a hint, it was not written in 2007.

first of all the "heavenly blessed" comment was not necessary, but i am only defending GOD on this one...you might want to ask this entire boasrd for forgiveness....even though we cannot let you in baseball heaven, you are talking to a baseball board that supports private institutions, not belittle them liek yourself.  secondly, the "tuition out the wazzo" statement....what the hell?  are the only one that the schoole raped out of money?  if your son was so heavenly blessed by the baseball gods then why did he not get that so beloved DII scholarship he waited around on?  noone here feels sorry for you.  most of us have student loan payment to deal with.....i can tell you one thing, i have plenty of plaques on my wall that says i was "GOOD" in the same conference you arwe bitching about and i still write a check every month, so you might want to rethink who you are complaining to....none of us feel sorry for you or your son who is still wating around.

If you could do anything detrimental to him you would?  are you serious?  if you were you would have already done it.  if you do, its in the first degree b/c it is premeditated.  why dont you start by looking yourself in the mirror.  just b/c you wait around doesnt mean you are a failure.  your son is probably good.  i do not even know his name or his pitching style but i am trying to teach you a lesson.  you held him back, now he is suffering, and you are pointing fingers on a message board.....there are no players of the week on this message board...  why dont you create a profile like the rest of us and join us once ina while.

next you say "worthless piece of excretement" .... i think i missed something here....didnt you send your son to go play for this man?  didnt you sign the student loan papers?  didnt your tell your son to wait around for a free scholarship from the DII program?  YOU ARE RETARDED....DI programs only get 12 scholarships...yes that means the beloved UT also....most teams travel with 18-25 players...do the math smart guy...if your son was any good the best he would have been offered was books, tuition, and fees...that is still not a full scholarship an dvery few get that offer at a DI program.....get off you high horse and smell the coffee (the best coffee is at Dunkin Donuts BTW)....

Next you say that "Coach Gardner is not Gods Gift To Baseball" ... noone stated that he was ... if you ever pay attenetion or have been to cooperstown....the only people that were gods gift to baseball attended Jose Canseco's Bar-B-Q with Roger Clemens in 2001...I believe that Andy Pettite was there but he "MISREMEMBERS"...take that for what its worth.  in fact i think that your son might have benefeted from the supplements that were distributed at that "Bar-B-Q"

your last statement about "you or her coaching our world series team"  really told me that you did not understand the game of baseball or concordia's success for that matter..you are retarded...first of all, if you were our coach we probably be just waiting around for someone to tell us if we were good just like your son...second, noone on my team would paly for you...noone.  probably not even your son, b/c i would convince him that I wa better than you (and he would believe me, believe me)...third of all, if you knew anything about anyting, you would know that if your son was not handle being un-successful at a D3 program then hes hould have pursued a different route to happiness...how many time do you see MAJOR LEAGUE PLAYERS coming back from retirement?  HOW MANY COLLEGE BASBALL PLAYERS MAKE IT TO THE BIG LEAGUES?  1 out of ever 10,000 college baseball players makes it to the major leagues.....i had the success story starting the 5A all-star all-state game in TEXAS in 2000 as a catcher and was a 2-time all-american nominee and all-west region catcher and all-west region DH.....I struck out my last college at-bat in the 2004 ASC conf tourney.....COACH GARDNER prepared me for that at-bat so-well i was happy to shake the MISSISSIPI COLLEGE PITCHER'S hand after the game, i was proud of him.  i had all the accomplsihments in the world, i never got drafted...AND I DEALT WITH IT....if you are a man with testosteone and hair on your chest then you will do the same...GOOD LUCK GUEST...grow some balls and get a screenname!!!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on April 02, 2008, 08:51:07 AM
Fungoman whats not hard to comprehend, I was at that game. Yeah they scored 6 runs which was impressive to comeback and get that friday night win. So that saying is it unempressive saying UTT had to have all those errors from CTX on Sat. keeping them from getting swept on Sat. A win is a win. Your analysis on baseball makes no sense.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 02, 2008, 10:45:44 AM
To date, I have looked at the games between the ASC and the SCAC.  The "score" is:

ASC 27 SCAC 16.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 02, 2008, 11:49:50 AM
Yeah, but how many of those are in-region games, Ralph? :P

Anyway, here are my new player Top 5's. The only difference is that I've split up starters and relievers for the pitching stats. I made the decision on where to put guys by comparing GP to GS, so if a coach has changed one of his starters in the last 2-3 weeks then I might not have him on the right section of the stats. Also, by this evening I should have a set of region-wide hitter rankings ready to go with my new team regional rankings.

Starters
DICE
B. Holland, UTT - 1.79, 54.2
B. Booher, UTT - 2.65, 53.2
C. Curry, MCM - 2.71, 45.0
T. Koch, UO - 2.74, 41.2
C. Dixon, UO - 2.91, 42.2

BaseRun Average (BaseRuns per 9 IP)
B. Booher, UTT - 2.01, 53.2 IP
B. Cameron, UO - 2.34, 54.2
B. Holland, UTT - 2.74, 54.2
C. Dixon, UO - 2.80, 42.2
M. Cox, UTD - 3.07, 55.2

VORP1 (this one uses BaseRun Average; I like it better than the next one[/u]
B. Booher, UTT - 32.88
B. Holland, UTT - 29.07
M. Cox, UTD - 27.52
C. Dixon, UO - 22.39
C. Curry, MCM - 20.55

VORP2 (this one uses Run Average, which gives results that seem too big for me to believe them)
B. Booher, UTT - 48.10
M. Cox, UTD - 39.30
B. Holland, UTT - 36.20
R. Garza, UMHB - 32.75
C. Dixon, UO - 31.98

Relievers
DICE
B. Ziegler, UTT - 1.94, 26.1 IP
C. Munchrath, UTT - 2.53, 21.1
K. Barton, HSU - 2.89, 27.2
C. Robeau, LC - 3.10, 21.0
T. Staggs, TLU - 3.17, 29.1

BsRA
B. Morgan, LC - 0.90, 15.2
J. Scheuring, UO - 2.12, 13.2
B. Ziegler, UTT - 2.53, 26.1
K. Barton, HSU - 2.72, 27.2
L. Wolfe, UTT - 2.85, 8.1

VORP1
K. Barton, HSU - 11.91
B. Ziegler, UTT - 11.89
B. Morgan, LC - 9.92
J. Alcorn, HSU - 9.09
J. Valentine, UTD - 8.05

VORP2
K. Barton, HSU - 27.39
J. Valentine, UTD - 19.58
B. Ziegler, UTT - 16.97
J. Alcorn, HSU - 16.84
B. Morgan, LC - 16.65

Hitters
BsR/PA
D. David, MCM - .325, 141 PA
T. Williams, CTX - .319, 151
K. Fox, UTT - .309, 138
C. Briggs, UO - .304, 122
M. Volz, UMHB - .297, 109

VORP
D. David, MCM - 23.36
T. Williams, CTX - 23.23
K. Fox, UTT - 21.87
C. Briggs, UO - 19.24
J. Villegas, UMHB - 18.95

Speed
J. Villegas, UMHB - 13.29
K. Harvey, TLU - 13.24
D. Roux, LC - 13.16
L. Jones, MCM - 12.33
C. Baker, UTT - 12.05

Three True Outcome %
M. Schimpf, ETBU - 51.5%
T. Williams, CTX - 50.3%
R. Martinez, SU - 48.5%
I. Rayos, SRSU - 46.8%
R. Mummey, UO - 46.5%

BTW, I do have other players' numbers in these areas (a lot of them, actually), so if you ever wonder how someone else fares in any of these, feel free to ask.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 02, 2008, 01:04:12 PM
Quote from: wetsu on April 01, 2008, 04:41:46 PM
From the day he enrolled Gardner put him in no win situations to let him know how offended he was that he might pick a DII school over his "heavenly blessed"  DIII non scholarship, tuition out the wazzoo school. 

1.) Most of this quote doesn't deserve a response.
2.) Baseball is a game of adversity. If your son responds to that adversity and excels in those "no-win" situations I'm willing to bet that he changes Gardner's opinion of him, and he gets a larger role. (That's provided Gardner had an opinion - and it's doubtful).

There's typically a method to a coaches madness. Coaches often times put players in situations where they are bound to fail. If they don't, that's great. If they do fail, that's great for the coach too because it enables him to see that players REACTION to failure, and that may be the most important attribute in a baseball player in my opinion.

And different players have different reactions.

There are some guys that hustle back to the dugout, grab their gloves, hustle to their position intent on getting back on track the next at bat.

There are some that dwell on the at bat, beat the crap at of their helmet, etc. Some of those put it out of their mind prior to their next at bat, others don't. There's a FINE line between those two guys and the first guy.

The thing is that EVERY player is different. The way they REACT to situations is different, but a GREAT coach can discern those differences and know what to say and how to handle those respective players. Some you yell at to get their attention, some you pull aside and talk to, some you sit on the bench, some didn't belong in the game in the first place. And it gets more complicated, because for some guys you need different approaches for different situations. GREAT coaches have this inate skill, or maybe they acquire it.

REALLY GOOD coaches are able to handle these types of things the majority of the time. There's so much to know other than just the game of baseball. I would hate to think that my job depended on 18-22 year old kids performances, but to the outsider (and many ADs are outsiders because they don't necessarily understand the nuances of the game), that's what it boils down to.

Anyway, I'm off on a tangent now, but I think my point is relatively clear. Hambone is right. You love your son and the fact that you are involved in his life puts you ahead of many parents in this country, but you're not doing him any favors by your reaction to this scenario.

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 02, 2008, 01:08:54 PM
Quote from: HAMBONE on April 01, 2008, 01:10:30 PM
only TLU has the class to feel so at home that if they beat you they celebrate on your field like they have never won before....

Noted, though I can name specific examples when all of the best teams in the West have in one way or another acted pretty classless. Maybe it's the nature of the dogfight that occurs every year in arguably one of the most competitive conferences in the country.

Quote from: HAMBONE on April 01, 2008, 01:10:30 PM
they actually serve refreshments at the the parties they have at home plate when someone actually hits a homerun; its brutal.

It's a little funny.

JSG



Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 02, 2008, 01:18:36 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on April 02, 2008, 11:49:50 AM
Yeah, but how many of those are in-region games, Ralph? :P

Everyone, I think.

I left my notes at home.  I will check that tonight.  :)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on April 02, 2008, 01:23:01 PM
I can see where the Hambone is coming from that night, but another teams field is kinda pushing it. But TLU is a firey squad and thats the benfit being part of a great rivalry.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on April 02, 2008, 07:51:48 PM
Quote from: HAMBONE on April 02, 2008, 12:51:42 AM

I'm sorry.  I respect your opinion and am happy for you and your son.  I totally disagree.  Gardner has totally destroyed my son's confidence and desire as well.  I feel like he had a grudge against my son because he stated that he was angry that he didn't commit to him earlier (he was waiting on a DII school to offer him a scholarship).  From the day he enrolled Gardner put him in no win situations to let him know how offended he was that he might pick a DII school over his "heavenly blessed"  DIII non scholarship, tuition out the wazzoo school.  Needless to say, I am not happy with how he treated this 18 year old kid.  If I could do anything detrimental to him, I would.  He has hurt my son. So, I disagree, and I think he is a worthless piece of excrement!  But still, I know that it seems to work both ways, but I just wanted the other way to be stated.  He is not God's gift to baseball.  Besides his players were talented enough to make it to the Series that year anyway had you or I been coaching them.

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I'm sorry.  I respect your opinion and am happy for you and your son.  I totally disagree.  Gardner has totally destroyed my son's confidence and desire as well.  I feel like he had a grudge against my son because he stated that he was angry that he didn't commit to him earlier (he was waiting on a DII school to offer him a scholarship).  From the day he enrolled Gardner put him in no win situations to let him know how offended he was that he might pick a DII school over his "heavenly blessed"  DIII non scholarship, tuition out the wazzoo school.  Needless to say, I am not happy with how he treated this 18 year old kid.  If I could do anything detrimental to him, I would.  He has hurt my son. So, I disagree, and I think he is a worthless piece of excrement!  But still, I know that it seems to work both ways, but I just wanted the other way to be stated.  He is not God's gift to baseball.  Besides his players were talented enough to make it to the Series that year anyway had you or I been coaching them.
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EXCUSE ME...first of all, let me welcome you "GUEST" to board...You apparently have no clue whatsoever....look around and grab one, as they are all around. 

First let me say that you just posted to a message that was presented on this board over a year ago....noone here know what you are talking about (except me, or anyone that took the time to dig through the archives to understand what you are referring too).

Second, you state that coach gardner has destroyyed all your sons confidence and desire as well.....with all do respect sir...if he cannot control his confidence level and desire for a game that he desrves a scholarship for then he does not need a scholarship or to play that particualr sport...ever....in this case it is the game of baseball.....if you have ever studied any book on baseball the best hitters of the game hit .400 and the best pitchers are very slim...baseball is game of failure....deal with it....you even speak of the beloved d3 college wqorld series....ctx was 2 and out...that is failure, but at the same time it was success...be a father and read between the lines, quit feeling sorry for yourself and do your son a favor and quit feeling sorry for him...by this time, i assume he is an adult and will need his life lessons to raise a family, not a d3 baseball resume.

you state that coach gardner was angry at your son b/c he was waiting on a d3 baseball scholarship....i think every d3 baseball player was waiting on a dII baseball scholarship, so that is a piss poor excuse.....  those who wait around find themselves searching for the back of the line....LEAD, FOLLOW, OR GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY.....hopefully you understand what that means....if you do not, then you qwill probably be responding to this post some time in 2010 season complaining about all the sarcasm on this board.

you also state that GARDNER put him in no-win situations!!!! you obviously know nothing about baseball.....let me expalin it again if you cannot understand statistics...baseball is a game of failure.  even if the team was losing when your son pitched, he still had the odds on his side to succeed......the best hitter ever failed 7 out of 10 times......???????? think about it.  if he was that good, then he wouldnt have been playing on a team that could not field...."ALL ELSE EQUALS" ... ever heard that before?  Ill give you a hint, it was not written in 2007.

first of all the "heavenly blessed" comment was not necessary, but i am only defending GOD on this one...you might want to ask this entire boasrd for forgiveness....even though we cannot let you in baseball heaven, you are talking to a baseball board that supports private institutions, not belittle them liek yourself.  secondly, the "tuition out the wazzo" statement....what the hell?  are the only one that the schoole raped out of money?  if your son was so heavenly blessed by the baseball gods then why did he not get that so beloved DII scholarship he waited around on?  noone here feels sorry for you.  most of us have student loan payment to deal with.....i can tell you one thing, i have plenty of plaques on my wall that says i was "GOOD" in the same conference you arwe bitching about and i still write a check every month, so you might want to rethink who you are complaining to....none of us feel sorry for you or your son who is still wating around.

If you could do anything detrimental to him you would?  are you serious?  if you were you would have already done it.  if you do, its in the first degree b/c it is premeditated.  why dont you start by looking yourself in the mirror.  just b/c you wait around doesnt mean you are a failure.  your son is probably good.  i do not even know his name or his pitching style but i am trying to teach you a lesson.  you held him back, now he is suffering, and you are pointing fingers on a message board.....there are no players of the week on this message board...  why dont you create a profile like the rest of us and join us once ina while.

next you say "worthless piece of excretement" .... i think i missed something here....didnt you send your son to go play for this man?  didnt you sign the student loan papers?  didnt your tell your son to wait around for a free scholarship from the DII program?  YOU ARE RETARDED....DI programs only get 12 scholarships...yes that means the beloved UT also....most teams travel with 18-25 players...do the math smart guy...if your son was any good the best he would have been offered was books, tuition, and fees...that is still not a full scholarship an dvery few get that offer at a DI program.....get off you high horse and smell the coffee (the best coffee is at Dunkin Donuts BTW)....

Next you say that "Coach Gardner is not Gods Gift To Baseball" ... noone stated that he was ... if you ever pay attenetion or have been to cooperstown....the only people that were gods gift to baseball attended Jose Canseco's Bar-B-Q with Roger Clemens in 2001...I believe that Andy Pettite was there but he "MISREMEMBERS"...take that for what its worth.  in fact i think that your son might have benefeted from the supplements that were distributed at that "Bar-B-Q"

your last statement about "you or her coaching our world series team"  really told me that you did not understand the game of baseball or concordia's success for that matter..you are retarded...first of all, if you were our coach we probably be just waiting around for someone to tell us if we were good just like your son...second, noone on my team would paly for you...noone.  probably not even your son, b/c i would convince him that I wa better than you (and he would believe me, believe me)...third of all, if you knew anything about anyting, you would know that if your son was not handle being un-successful at a D3 program then hes hould have pursued a different route to happiness...how many time do you see MAJOR LEAGUE PLAYERS coming back from retirement?  HOW MANY COLLEGE BASBALL PLAYERS MAKE IT TO THE BIG LEAGUES?  1 out of ever 10,000 college baseball players makes it to the major leagues.....i had the success story starting the 5A all-star all-state game in TEXAS in 2000 as a catcher and was a 2-time all-american nominee and all-west region catcher and all-west region DH.....I struck out my last college at-bat in the 2004 ASC conf tourney.....COACH GARDNER prepared me for that at-bat so-well i was happy to shake the MISSISSIPI COLLEGE PITCHER'S hand after the game, i was proud of him.  i had all the accomplsihments in the world, i never got drafted...AND I DEALT WITH IT....if you are a man with testosteone and hair on your chest then you will do the same...GOOD LUCK GUEST...grow some balls and get a screenname!!!
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I cannot believe im saying this but you are completely right HAMBONE....that was hard to admitt.

But now that we are on the subject of parents practically living vicariously through their childrens lives and the game of baseball I have a question.  At McM we have a loyal following who call themselves the hecklers.  They come to every home game and a few away ones (when they can get away from their studies) but this year on numerous occasions there has been parents threatining them and even one, from a school fungo man knows real well, charge after these students.  Not once have I ever heard them say a curse word but they can be brutal.  My opinion is that as long as it is done with taste and it is creative its fine (which they are) I was wondering how everyone else feels about the subject.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: old scot on April 02, 2008, 08:23:58 PM
Heckeling college athletes shows a lack of respect. These guys are not getting paid to play and I doubt that the fans are paying for a ticket a the d3 level.

I would rather see them go all out pulling for their own team than ragging on the opponets. If these kids retaliate with words or jestures, their team is veiwed as classless.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseballfan24 on April 02, 2008, 08:40:42 PM
I really think that the players not being paid is a bit of a cop out.  They are athletes just the same, and some of them are good enough to play at the next level.  Players shouldn't listen to the fans nor care what they have to say, and the parents should do the same.  A mature player can tune that stuff out.

Now down to business.  Who is going to win this weekend?  This race is getting tight down the stretch.  It looks like it will be a dogfight for third and fourth place in the west.
Anyone have some thoughts?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: old scot on April 02, 2008, 09:21:09 PM
What does being able to play at the next level have to do with it? Just because they are athletes does that make them fair game? You missed the key word here, respect.
Thats the problem with todays world, people don't know how to repect one another.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 02, 2008, 10:49:43 PM
Quote from: old scot on April 02, 2008, 09:21:09 PM
What does being able to play at the next level have to do with it? Just because they are athletes does that make them fair game? You missed the key word here, respect.
Thats the problem with todays world, people don't know how to repect one another.

I agree that people should be more inclined to respect one another, but baseballfan24 is right. A mature player can tune that stuff out, or least not let hit inhibit the way he plays the game. If that player plays well and his team wins, it usually silences the critics.

If a player is "soft" and prone to losing focus and making mistakes when players heckle, then why shouldn't a loyal fan try to help his team win. And you can argue it if you want, I've watched players completley fold up when opposing fans heckle them. I've seen others step their games up in response to it.

Again, baseball is a game of adversity. The best players to come through this conference respond well to hecklers more often than not. They also understand that they're the ones on the field playing, not sitting in the stands watching.

I don't agree with untasteful comments, but some creative heckling is part of baseball.

It's like those people in Tenn or Illinois or whatever that allowed chatter during little league games. That's ridiculous. It's been apart of baseball since it's inception. 

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 02, 2008, 11:23:24 PM
The code on sportsmanship for the NCAA is ...

"Be Loud. Be Proud. Be Positive."

Heckling has no place in those guidelines.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on April 03, 2008, 12:11:51 AM
Quote from: old scot on April 02, 2008, 09:21:09 PM
You missed the key word here, respect.
Thats the problem with todays world, people don't know how to repect one another.

They respect the players very much if a player on the opposing team makes a good play I have seen them give a standing O
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on April 03, 2008, 08:57:59 AM
ITs part of the game so I dont see anything wrong with it. I remember playing in a playoff game in high school were i was getting absolutely scolded with almost everything in the book thrown at me out in centerfield from some heckklers over the fence. I came up in the later innings and hit a shot over centerfield right into the middle of them and they scattered like crazy, it was a pretty good feeling. But its part of the game and it makes you want to play harder and shut them up.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on April 03, 2008, 08:02:46 PM
some players talk with their mouth and others talk with their play!!! most good players are the latter.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fungoman on April 04, 2008, 09:48:21 AM
what are everone's predictions for this weekend?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 04, 2008, 11:53:54 AM
I could've sworn I'd posted these already, but I can't find where. Oh well, here are my picks again. :P

Texas-Tyler sweeps LeTourneau
Howard Payne takes 2 from Hardin-Simmons
Texas Lutheran sweeps Sul Ross State
Mary Hardin-Baylor sweeps Schreiner
Ozarks takes 2 from Louisiana College
Mississippi College sweeps East Texas Baptist
Concordia-Texas takes 2 from McMurry
Title: Weekend Predictions & Synopsis + plus a little bit of my own personal HOT-SAUCE!
Post by: HAMBONE on April 04, 2008, 02:03:44 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on April 04, 2008, 11:53:54 AM
I could've sworn I'd posted these already, but I can't find where. Oh well, here are my picks again. :P

Texas-Tyler sweeps LeTourneau
Howard Payne takes 2 from Hardin-Simmons
Texas Lutheran sweeps Sul Ross State
Mary Hardin-Baylor sweeps Schreiner
Ozarks takes 2 from Louisiana College
Mississippi College sweeps East Texas Baptist
Concordia-Texas takes 2 from McMurry

UTT sweeps LU
UTT will  not lose another league game.  Tourney will be their next challenge, they know where the symptoms of their pitchers that struggle late by now and will medicate these wounds before they suffer another loss.  They have the pen depth to hand somebody the ball before they lose the momentum again...This is my prediction of course, but I think last weeks loss fixed the Patriots.  They will begin to peak this weekend, as they should at this time of the year.

HPU 2 of 3 from HSU
HSU's first 2 starters will give HPU some trouble, but they will not be able to last the entire game and HPU is a scrappy bunch...HSU is an organized program that has the potential to upset a good team; but I think they lack the ability to adjust to a team like HPU that isnt as solid fundamentally but has the gonads to fight until their opponents give up or make more mistakes then their own sloppy style of play.

TLU 2 of 3 from SRSU
after what i saw last weekend i dont necessarily think the fight is out of the bulldogs, as they play with plenty of pride; they just flat do not know how to win.  On the other hand, SRSU knows how to lose (i am not putting them down, but by this point they know they have nothing to lose).  One of SRSU's gutsy pitchers will win won of these games.

UMHB 2 of 3 from SU
SU knows they still have a chance to get in the tourney.  I predict they will find a way to win one of these games.  I have a funny feeling that UMHB is a little unsure if they are worthy of their curent "high roller" status....I think they are a little too excited about their red-carpet status and have not proven they can dominate a good team.  They have a good club and have several wins, but this is the time of the year where the good teams peak out and level off.  I personally think they peaked too soon.  After their loss to the bulldogs, they were reminded of the other losses they have suffered and actually enjoy the fact that they are human.  SU, a team i think is a lot like HPU will scratch and claw a "W" away from the CRU.  May the CRU please prove me wrong.

UO sweeps LC
UO is good this year.  like UTT, they are focused on the tourney and preparing properly by not letting anything get in the way.  They know their roles at this point and have the depth on the bench and in the pen to step it up in preperation for the "dance floor."

MC 2 of 3 from ETBU
MC always has big veined up neanderthals on their roster, but always seem to come up short.  I do not think they have amount of focus it takes to sweep a team theat is playing for pride. I will pay credit where credit is due; MC had a closer my senior that struck me out my last college at-bat...i do not remember his name, but he threw like 93 from underneath....they always have one of those guys, so maybe if their starting pitchers get beat up and come out early their "closer will come in and get a few wins to bail them out"  regardless of my uneducated guess of their failures, they like UTT and UO are tuning up for the dance floor and will use this week to try and work any kinks out...even if that means playing some bench players to find out who is prepared and who is weak.

CTX 2 of 3 from McMurry
This is the Tornados last home series ever in the history of Keller-Fascholz field.  Regardless of what any of think of the CTX university or the program I do not think there is an indiviual alive that has played on that diamond and enjoyed it in one way or another...for me it was any 4 run game was always one swing of the bat away...or the short porches causing every DII, NAIA, or any ASC 3-4-5 hole hitter to go "offer" their first game thinking a flyball would leave the yard.  Or maybe you enjoyed the perfectly manicured mound and plate with turfed sidelines so you didnt end up with crushed granite in your hotel room; perhaps it was the smell of the port-a-potties behind the visitors dugouts that were strategically placed their for a reason...whatever your fetish may be with that victorian-style diamond, and wether or not you left their with a memory of success or defeat, you enjoyed something about it...hell it might have even been the 19 different ultra-light weight batting practice screens versus some of the 300 guage iron L-screens used as shag protection, that covered all but enough room for your BP tosser to throw strikes; or the 4-foot "Gardner's Gap" where the 2000 team ran out of ply-wood before incliment weather caused the fence to taper down and stay that way when they replaced it with aluminum...man 'o man its sad to see that place go....okay back to my predictions, the nados will have a little extra mojo from the "angels in the outfield" this weekend...not only did a lite norther blow in this morning causing the wind to gust out towards the participants of the Texas Relays traveling down I-35, but they represent a chance to literally leave it all out on field aside from it being such an important series for both clubs....my prediction is this will be a record weekend for someone with a big stick: williams, warneke, thiegelpopper-niner, voorhees, david, or franco....it may be combined HR"S from all of them, it may be 1 of them hitting one out every at-bat, it may an enormous amount of strikeouts....all I know is that the first series I ever saw CTX play after turning down D1, D2, and JUCO offers was against McMurry and even with good ole Scott Berkman on the mound and I think McMurry outscored the tornados like 54-3 in the series....this is a little symbolic that the indians are in town, and what a chance to recover all that blood that squad bled all over our field; hopefully the tornados toss those clown suits in the trash they wear on friday nights and strap on the old "southlands" and black mesh jerseys that my people wore when we punished people that showed up looking for a fight...C'mon Coach Gardner, I know youre out there, get some of those old unis out and extract what hits and chemistry we left in them after going 2 and Q in Appleton and wear some throw-backs.....my prediction has now changed....the nados give the Indians and old-fashioned broom stick. It was a tradition Coach Keller (RIP) started and it was a tradition we refurbished while i played there....that same tradition is in a box in the locker room, if they pull 'em out...then they will "pull 'em out" .... someone please do not let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, and someone please dont forget to turn off the lights......

on another note please check this link out....close friend of mine sent me this link while browsing through this athletic site....maybe this mound would fix all pitching issues in the WEST...In fact i will write a letter today and get a petition started to make it mandatory that all ASC WEST schools with sub-par pitching to install these "mounds-in-a-box"  they look entirely too easy to install and very low-maintenence...in fact I think they just changed the rules of the game by eliminating the pitcher all together and having 2 short-stops.....thats what ill go ahead an petition for to fix this "noodle-arm" delemma we are having in 2008 in the WEST; its almost ingenius; take the pitcher out of the ballgame and have 2 shortstops....caoches just please make sure that he comes to a complete stop with runners on base; this is know as a balk and could really back-fire on our collective approach to solve this ever-increasing problem....

http://www.friendsathletics.com/sports/gallery/Baseball/ (http://www.friendsathletics.com/sports/gallery/Baseball/)

Make it a great day.

HAMBONE
Title: Re: Weekend Predictions & Synopsis + plus a little bit of my own personal HOT-SA
Post by: HAMBONE on April 04, 2008, 02:09:15 PM
WHOops....do not respond to thi son here.  i did not mean to start a new folder....i posted this in the ASC blog as well, so please respond there...

Ralph can you delete this or do i have to do it from my end?


Done!  Thanks and +1!  :)

(I really like how Pat Coleman has set up conference- and region-oriented topic boards.  It helps organize the discussion.) 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 04, 2008, 02:36:15 PM
As if CTX didn't need any more motivation for this series in the heat of the pennant race!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on April 04, 2008, 03:47:11 PM
Hammy,

Although they have extra motivation ill disagree with you and tke my Indians of course and i think that UMHB will lose at least one (another thing I agree with you on, hell must be freezing over) and the other perdictions we well thought out and i agreed completely.  Is there going to be any kind of broadcast of tonights game?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on April 04, 2008, 04:09:16 PM
Not sure who takes this one, if it was at McM I would take the Indians 2 of 3. Who evers bullpen holds up wins this series.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on April 04, 2008, 04:52:55 PM
HPU 4 HSU 2 Top of the 7th
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 04, 2008, 06:31:05 PM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on April 04, 2008, 04:09:16 PM
Not sure who takes this one, if it was at McM I would take the Indians 2 of 3. Who evers bullpen holds up wins this series.
Good point.

McMurry is trying to get home field in the first weekend by remaining in the Top 2.  I would like to have a West Region co-championship at the least.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 04, 2008, 07:12:18 PM
HSU 12, HPU 9 (http://www.hputx.edu/s/668/images/editor_documents/SID%20Documents/BB/bb08g29.htm). Final.

HSU gets to HPU, scoring 10 runs in the last 3 innings.

It makes me think that the team with the best bullpen will win the ASC.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 04, 2008, 08:32:40 PM
UMHB 28 - Schreiner 18 (http://athletics.schreiner.edu/baseball/News/2008/040408_UMHB_BB.htm)


Texas Lutheran 14 - Sul Ross 6  (http://www.tlu.edu/i/athletics/baseball/stats/2008/tlusrbb1.htm)

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on April 04, 2008, 09:05:00 PM
McM 4
CTX 4
in the bottom of the 3rd
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 04, 2008, 09:18:56 PM
Quote from: indian4life on April 04, 2008, 09:05:00 PM
McM 4
CTX 4
in the bottom of the 3rd
Thanks, and keep the scores coming!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on April 04, 2008, 11:24:13 PM
McM 12
CTX 9

Yurchick, David, and Derrick all go yard in a back and forth battle
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm505 on April 05, 2008, 12:52:01 AM
So who won this thing?  I am sitting in Lubbock waiting in suspense.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: MCM Gangster on April 05, 2008, 12:57:32 AM
McM wins over CTX 12-9...Kyle Martin with the save solid bullpen for MCM
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm505 on April 05, 2008, 12:59:28 AM
Thanks the suspense has ended.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on April 05, 2008, 01:12:40 AM
mcm505,
When did you go to school at McM?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 05, 2008, 03:02:15 PM
McM 6 CTX 1, top of the 4th.

McMurry's pitcher Cody Curry got out of a one-out bases-loaded jam in the bottom of the 3rd.  Curry got a strikeout and fly to left on the #3 and #4 batters in the CTX line-up.  (Sorry that I didn't CTX names.)

McMurry has hit 3 HR's.  Yurchick and David hit solo shots, and Voorhees hit a 3-run HR.
David has hit HR's in 6 consecutive games.  He now has 16 HR's on the year.


Top of the 4th, McM's Brent Voorhees hits a grand slam on a full count.  McMurry 11-1.  Pitching change relieving Skzotak. 
Skzotak's line in 3.1 innings

11 runs, 9 earned on  9 hits,  2 K's, 0 BB's.

Tower relives for the Tornados.  He gets the next 2 McM batters.

CTX gets one in the bottom of the 4th.  11-2, McM.

MCM
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on April 05, 2008, 03:17:41 PM
Vorheese hits a grand slam 11-1 McM.

I believe that this will put McM in the ASC record books for team grand slams in a season with 4.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on April 05, 2008, 04:40:56 PM
11-4 final

McM has 4 HR's Yurchick, David, and Vorheese (2)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 05, 2008, 07:20:50 PM
CTX leads McM, 8-6, bottom of the sixth.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 05, 2008, 07:50:24 PM
UTT takes two from LeTourneu - 10-0 and 19-0. Holland and Booher give up a total of 4 hits between them both throwing shutouts.  The Patriots offense just pummeled the home team.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 05, 2008, 08:16:48 PM
Top of the ninth, CTX leads McM, 8-7.

Derek David has hit a home run in his seventh consecutive game to give him the ASC season record at 18 (in 32 games to date).  McMurry's Josh Lee hit 17 HR in 42 games in 2004. TLU's Jason Kreis hit 17 HR in 44 games in 2005.


Ontiveros in relief.

Pinch hitter Weston Franco hits the first pitch for a HR.  (Franco got a nail in his foot 3 weeks ago and it got infected.  He also has a broken finger and a pulled hamstring. Franco hobbled around the bases in "Kirk Gibson fashion".)  That ties the game, 8-8.

Ground out.

416' home run by Derek David off Ontiveros to give McMurry the first lead of the game.  That is David's third HR of the game.  McMurry leads 9-8.

Voorhees pops out.

Derrick strikes out.

To the bottom of the ninth, McMurry leads 9-8.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on April 05, 2008, 08:31:12 PM
Back to back HR's for CTX to win it in the 9th
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 05, 2008, 10:15:15 PM
Updated West Standings 4/5:

Mary-Hardin Baylor 11-4  CTX/ @HPU
McMurry 10-5                   HPU/ @ SRSU
Concordia 8-7                 @UMHB/ SU
Hardin Simmons 8-7        SRSU/ @ TLU
Texas Lutheran 8-7         @ SU/ HSU
Howard Payne 8-7           @ McM/ UMHB
Schreiner 6-9                   TLU/ @ CTX
Sul Ross 1-14                 @ HSU/ McM

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 05, 2008, 10:38:44 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on April 05, 2008, 10:15:15 PM
Updated West Standings 4/5:

Mary-Hardin Baylor 11-4  CTX/ @HPU
McMurry 10-5                   HPU/ @ SRSU
Concordia 8-7                 @UMHB/ SU
Hardin Simmons 8-7        SRSU/ @ TLU
Texas Lutheran 8-7         @ SU/ HSU
Howard Payne 8-7           @ McM/ UMHB
Schreiner 6-9                   TLU/ @ CTX
Sul Ross 1-14                 @ HSU/ McM

JSG
Seeking opinions...

How many losses does the 4th place team have?

How many losses does the 5th place team have?
:)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 05, 2008, 11:51:39 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner link=topic=4158.msg898814#msg898814
Seeking opinions...
How many losses does the 4th place team have?

How many losses does the 5th place team have?
:)

I think 13-8 will definitely do the trick, but I could very easily see CTX, HSU, & TLU all being 12-9 in which case tie breakers are going to come into play. Either way you're looking at a tough draw getting UT Tyler or Ozarks.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm505 on April 06, 2008, 12:08:58 AM
Indian4life-- Started 2001-graduated 2005.  Sorry for the delay in answering your question.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: The U For Life on April 06, 2008, 02:48:37 AM
Good series between Mcmurry and Concordia.  First game was back and forth.  The second game was a blowout.  The last game was something i will never forget.  Great game sucks to be on the losing end.  It was like the stuff you see in a movie.  I still havent really come to fathom what happened.  Good luck to Concordia i hope ya'll kick the crap out of umhb.  I really think ya'll can take 2 of 3. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 06, 2008, 06:45:20 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 05, 2008, 08:16:48 PM
Top of the ninth, CTX leads McM, 8-7.

Derek David has hit a home run in his seventh consecutive game to give him the ASC season record at 18 (in 32 games to date).  McMurry's Josh Lee hit 17 HR in 42 games in 2004. TLU's Jason Kreis hit 17 HR in 44 games in 2005.


Ontiveros in relief.

Pinch hitter Weston Franco hits the first pitch for a HR.  (Franco got a nail in his foot 3 weeks ago and it got infected.  He also has a broken finger and a pulled hamstring. Franco hobbled around the bases in "Kirk Gibson fashion".)  That ties the game, 8-8.
...
I got to thinking.  That Kirk Gibson HR in the 1988 World Series was hit before some college baseball players were born.  :o

Here is a You Tube 4-minute video clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2RiCYYlkE4&NR=1).  Enjoy.

It still brings chills up my neck!   :)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 06, 2008, 12:15:16 PM
The ASC-East's schedule was back-loaded.  The key games in the next 2 weekends involve the front-runners, UT-Tyler hosting Louisiana College and then at Mississippi College.

Doing some "retrospective prognostication", we can give Louisiana College the 4th bid from the ASC-East by virtue of three one-run wins over UT-Dallas on the weekend of Mar 8-9.  The Wildcats beat the Comets in Pineville, 3-2, 5-4(11) and 12-11.

The Wildcats are 7-4 going into today's game versus UOzarks.  Should they lose that game, and lose the three game series versus front-runner UT-Tyler and then sweep the series with LeTourneau, they finish 10-8.

UT-Dallas can sweep the series with LeTU and ETBU and finish 8-10, and just out of the playoffs, by virture of having been lost the games head-to-head to LaCollege.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 06, 2008, 01:08:39 PM
UTT and Ozarks are definitly in for the confernce tournament and maybee it is time to look ahead and start making projections as to outcome.  In the past the West has owned the East taking the conference championship more times than I can remember.  However, I think it is clear that the two best teams this year are the ones I mentioned above and that is primarily due to pitching depth.  Both the Ozarks and UTT have 3 quality starters and UTT has 2 dominant starters.  UTT has a bit more offense and maybee a bit deaper in the bullpen.  The West has not had good consistant pitching from any of the teams this year although they have shown offensive ablility.  UTT will have to be the favorite but they are not as good as a year ago. If the western teams can keep it close forcing the bullpens to decide the game then they have a chance as UTT has blown several leads this year. They don't have a 93 mph closer like Jennings to put it to seal the deal. Their relief pitchers are competent but not outstanding. They also have at times booted the ball around so the defense has been inconsistant.  Having said that their defense and relief pitching is perhaps better than almost any team in the West.   Ozarks are very good but not much depth on offense. They are not gong to win in a slugfest so they must win with their pitching and defense. A very sound fundamental team that is well coached.  MHB has to be considered the class of the West at this point followed by McMurry.  IMO those two teams are good but a step behind the top two in teh east.  Let the speculation begin!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 06, 2008, 02:57:41 PM
From Wednesday night, Trinity started #1 starter Brain Oates versus Schreiner's Michael Nicholson, who was making his second start of the season, and beat the Mountaineers 3-2.

The Mountaineers held up well.  Nicholson surrender 3 runs in the first 2.1 innings and took a hard loss.  The other encouraging feature is that SU's Brandon Pape held Trinity scoreless for 4.2 innings after allowing an inherited runner score in the third.

That is a good outing for the Mountaineers against a strong Trinity team.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on April 07, 2008, 02:13:04 PM
Derek David's seven-game streak of home runs is an NCAA Division III record. He passed Eric Heise of Ohio Wesleyan who hit homers in six consecutive games from March 8-12, 1998.

David's streak began with a homer against Trinity on March 25. He is 18 for 31 during the stretch with 10 home runs, 15 runs scored and 20 RBI.

The NCAA Division II record is 7, the NCAA Division I record is 8. David will try to tie the all-division record Tuesday night against Wayland at home.

I'll post the release later, but just wanted to pass along some pertinent info. He also has an 11-game hit streak - teammate Voorhees has a 16-game hit streak.

Here is the link to the release: http://athletics.mcm.edu/News/baseball/2008/4/7/040708bsb.asp (http://athletics.mcm.edu/News/baseball/2008/4/7/040708bsb.asp)

I will update again later with quotes from Head Coach Lee Driggers and Josh Lee
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on April 07, 2008, 06:05:44 PM
Update with quotes from head coach Lee Driggers and former ASC record holder and current McMurry assistant, Josh Lee

http://athletics.mcm.edu/News/baseball/2008/4/7/040708bsb.asp (http://athletics.mcm.edu/News/baseball/2008/4/7/040708bsb.asp)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: MCM Gangster on April 08, 2008, 02:08:47 AM
Hambone were you at the games this weekend down in Austin?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on April 08, 2008, 11:47:56 AM
Quote from: mcm_sid on April 07, 2008, 02:13:04 PM
Derek David's seven-game streak of home runs is an NCAA Division III record. He passed Eric Heise of Ohio Wesleyan who hit homers in six consecutive games from March 8-12, 1998.

David's streak began with a homer against Trinity on March 25. He is 18 for 31 during the stretch with 10 home runs, 15 runs scored and 20 RBI.

The NCAA Division II record is 7, the NCAA Division I record is 8. David will try to tie the all-division record Tuesday night against Wayland at home.

I'll post the release later, but just wanted to pass along some pertinent info. He also has an 11-game hit streak - teammate Voorhees has a 16-game hit streak.

Here is the link to the release: http://athletics.mcm.edu/News/baseball/2008/4/7/040708bsb.asp (http://athletics.mcm.edu/News/baseball/2008/4/7/040708bsb.asp)

I will update again later with quotes from Head Coach Lee Driggers and Josh Lee

I said Tuesday night earlier, but McMurry's game time is actually 2 p.m. at Driggers Field. Sorry for the confusion, here's the livestats link: http://livestats.internetconsult.com/mcmurry/baseball (http://livestats.internetconsult.com/mcmurry/baseball)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on April 08, 2008, 12:27:10 PM
Houston Chronicle Coverage of Derek David

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/sports/hso/5682357.html (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/sports/hso/5682357.html)

The AP also picked up a very abbreviated version of the story and I've seen it on USAToday.com, SportingNews.com, Star-Telegram.com, and the CollegeBaseballBlog.com.

Here's the AP version on the FW Star Telegram

http://www.star-telegram.com/447/story/567220.html (http://www.star-telegram.com/447/story/567220.html)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 08, 2008, 02:58:59 PM
Good luck to Derek David today, let's bring that record to the ASC!

I finally got my ASC numbers done from the past weekend, and they include a major change to the way I rank pitchers in two areas, BaseRun Average and VORP. One thing that had been bothering me was that it was clear that some pitchers, for whatever reason, received better defensive support than others, even pitchers on the same team. This difference in defensive support, obviously, was impacting the number of hits different pitchers gave up, which had an impact on their BaseRun Average that was not the pitcher's fault. Therefore, what I did to alleviate that was give every pitcher the same defensive support. The way I did that was to calculate the number of balls in play a pitcher/team gave up, then calculate the number of those balls in play that would have fallen for hits, given an average defense. Using the new number of hits, I re-calculated everyone's BaseRun total and average, which gives a defensively-neutral measure of pitcher performance that I use for BaseRun Average and pitcher VORP. It's not totally perfect, but it's as close as I think it is possible to get for college players.

Starter DICE
B. Holland, UTT - 1.86, 68.2 IP
B. Booher, UTT - 2.65, 53.2
C. Curry, MCM - 2.70, 50.1
T. Koch, UO - 2.74, 50.0
T. Williams, MC - 2.85, 41.1

Starter DBsRA (this is the new Defense-neutral BaseRun Average)
B. Holland, UTT - 2.98, 68.2 IP
C. Curry, MCM - 3.38, 50.1
B. Booher, UTT - 3.48, 53.2
T. Koch, UO - 3.55, 50.0
C. Dixon, UO - 3.63, 42.2

Starter VORP
B. Holland, UTT - 36.45, 68.2 IP (most VORP in the league by 6 runs, all players)
B. Booher, UTT - 25.54, 53.2
C. Curry, MCM - 24.51, 50.1
M. Cox, UTD - 24.41, 62.2
T. Koch, UO - 23.39, 50.0

Reliever DICE
K. Evans, UTT - 1.93, 9.1 IP
B. Ziegler, UTT - 1.95, 26.2
T. Mayeux, LC - 2.40, 15.0
K. Barton, HSU - 2.68, 31.1
J. Scheuring, UO - 2.93, 14.2

Reliever DBsRA
B. Ziegler, UTT - 2.57, 26.2 IP
J. Scheuring, UO - 2.79, 14.2
B. Morgan, LC - 3.13, 15.0
K. Evans, UTT - 3.16, 9.1
J. Denson, MC - 3.44, 13.0

Reliever VORP (yes, I was suprised too)
B. Ziegler, UTT - 15.39, 26.2 IP
K. Barton, HSU - 14.91, 31.1
T. Staggs, TLU - 10.86, 34.1
B. Wesson, TLU - 10.77, 38.0
R. Conley, TLU - 10.05, 25.2

BsR/PA (Arrieta better be at least a 2nd-team selection)
D. David, MCM - .347, 156 PA
K. Fox, UTT - .346, 157
T. Williams, CTX - .317, 166
J. Arrieta, SRSU - .308, 116
M. Volz, UMHB - .303, 127

Speed
J. Villegas, UMHB - 14.52
D. Roux, LC - 12.62
L. Jones, MCM - 12.17
K. Harvey, TLU - 12.12
C. Baker, UTT - 11.89

VORP
K. Fox, UTT - 30.19, 157 PA
D. David, MCM - 30.05, 156
T. Williams, CTX - 26.01, 166
R. Finnell, UO - 23.17, 137
J. Villegas, UMHB - 22.89, 140

Team Defense
Texas-Tyler - .698
Mississippi College - .680
Texas-Dallas - .674
Mary Hardin-Baylor - .670
Ozarks - .669

Team BsR/PA
Texas-Tyler - .226
Mary Hardin-Baylor - .225
McMurry - .215
Ozarks - .214
Concordia-Texas - .202

Team DBsRA
Texas-Tyler - 4.19
Ozarks - 4.57
Louisiana College - 5.24
Mississippi College - 5.45
Texas-Dallas - 6.02
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 08, 2008, 04:53:02 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on April 08, 2008, 02:58:59 PM
One thing that had been bothering me was that it was clear that some pitchers, for whatever reason, received better defensive support than others, even pitchers on the same team. This difference in defensive support, obviously, was impacting the number of hits different pitchers gave up.

Pitchers get better defensive support, particularly on the same team, because they pitch differently. Guys that work fast, throw strikes and let opponents put the ball in play frequently get better defensive support than a guy that works from behind, walks a lot of guys, and tries to strike everyone out.

That's part of baseball, and part of being a good pitcher.

And what Arrieta is doing is not going unnoticed. I haven't looked around the entire ASC of late (though I suspect at least Fox has better numbers at SS - though the ASC does teams for each respective side), but I also feel like he's at least second team.

And for the record, anything after second team is just dumb in my opinion. Especially because they sometimes put up to 4 honorable mentions at one position.
You end up with 6 of the 8 starters at an infield position in the conference with an award. I'm all for acknowleding players, but to me that dilutes what the awards are trying to accomplish.

JSG



Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on April 08, 2008, 10:51:51 PM
I posted some of this on the national page but thought I should put it here too.

TexasBB-   I understand your questions on why the entire ASC is ranked below 20 is one simple thing.  The ABCA's #1 criteria is reputation.  I might be wrong here but the only TX school to ever made it to the World Series is Concordia in 2003 (not positive about the year, just a guess).  Every single year Trinity is always ranked high and they flame out in the regional.  Same with TLU.  I am not bashing the ASC at all because I know there is a lot of great baseball being played out there, but until those teams can make it to the World Series the rest of the coaches around the country will put them lower in the rankings.

All that being said.......I think this is the year Chapman gets knocked off the top of the Western Region mountain.  I am sure people will think I am crazy for this but I will explain.  I think it all comes down to one simple thing:  Chapman's pitching is not as good and deep as it has been in the past.  In 25 games, 22 of them have been started by the same three pitchers.  Chapman often has the luxury of matching up their top guys with everyone elses #4-5, but thats a whole different post.  Sigman and Clear have done a pretty good job of beating teams and Kitchens seems to be back in top form.  After those three you only have 2 guys that have thrown more than 10 innings and one fo them is the closer who has 33 innings.  I will stop rambling on now but you have to win 4 games to win a 6 team regional.  I just don't see Chapman having the arms to do it.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 08, 2008, 11:26:38 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on April 08, 2008, 10:20:52 PM
I am not familiar with the selection criteria used by ABCA but the fact that all of the ASC teams are rated below 20 says those making the selections are not all that famiiar with the talent pool in the league. McMurry did beat Chatham at Chatham this year and played them tough in their  two losses. McMurry has had a rough go of it in the ASC west. I think that alone tells how strong the league is. But the ASC has not won a national championship thus they continue to be rated lower than they should IMO.  At the same time being a Texan I am less familiar with the other teams. I do question the logic however of UTT at 27-6 and having swept 3 games this past weekend by a combined score of 43-1 to be ranked 23rd behind a team with less wins and 8 losses!!??  The same with the Ozarks who are 26-7 and ranked 30th?  An arguement can be made that those two teams have perhaps the top pitching staffs in all DIII.

When Campbell is in top form you can definitely make a case for UT Tyler's starting 3 to be one of the best weekend rotations in the country, but I don't know about top pitching staff in DIII.

Last year, without hesitation, I would say that they had the best pitching staff in division III, and possibly one of the top bullpens ever, but I think the bullpen lacks depth this year and I envision it getting them in trouble eventually. Maybe the ASC tournamnet, but a lot more likely in the regional -- or even in Appleton provided they can get past Chapman (and after watching what Chapman did to CalStEB I'm not convinced they don't win it again this year, Abilene or otherwise).

As far as Ozarks goes, Cameron, Dixon, Koch, Finnell and Scheuring have all pitched pretty well, but you're going to be hard pressed to convince me they're as good as they look on paper. They're gritty and they're competitive and frankly, I really like this Ozarks team and I am looking forward to watching how the rest of their season plays out, but aside from Dixon I think they could be a bit vulnerable come playoff time.

Do I think Linfield is better than UT Tyler, no, I don't. Do I think the ABCA has a reasonable rationale. Probably.

If we want to talk about pitching staffs, let's talk about theirs. A team ERA of 2.78 and average against of .225 -- that's just flat out obnoxious. Brian Clark (7-0, 1.93) has been sensational as the staff ace, Garrett Dorn (6-1, 2.82), Reese McCulley (4-0, 3.19), and Cameron Larson (3-3, 4.06) round out a DEEP starting rotation. One that, the nature of their conference, has enabled them to develop 4 starters (much like the SCAC). The bullpen has been used in relative moderation, but there's three guys with 8+ innings and sub 1.70 ERAs and .245 average against.

That's something to look out for in a regional tournament setting, no?

Quote from: Jack Parkman on April 08, 2008, 10:50:53 PM
TexasBB-   I understand your questions on why the entire ASC is ranked below 20 is one simple thing.  The ABCA's #1 criteria is reputation.  I might be wrong here but the only TX school to ever made it to the World Series is Concordia in 2003 (not positive about the year, just a guess).  Every single year Trinity is always ranked high and they flame out in the regional.  Same with TLU.  I am not bashing the ASC at all because I know there is a lot of great baseball being played out there, but until those teams can make it to the World Series the rest of the coaches around the country will put them lower in the rankings.


For the record, TLU typically starts the season ranked high based on the way the previous year ended, but they have a propensity of falling out of the poll and remaining out the entire year, prior to coming back after winning the ASC and fighting through the regional to lose to Chapman '05 and '06.

I would classify '03 as a year they flamed out (when they were #1 in the nation, lost their conference tournament and then didn't receive a bid). '05 was a pretty ridiculously talented team, but I might even say they overachieved in '06 (and maybe even last year) when you compare their personnel on paper to other teams in the region and possibly even the ASC.

The bottom line is they've run into Chapman, and Chapman knows how to get it done, particularly at Hart Park.

Quote from: Jack Parkman on April 08, 2008, 10:51:51 PM

All that being said.......I think this is the year Chapman gets knocked off the top of the Western Region mountain.  I am sure people will think I am crazy for this but I will explain.  I think it all comes down to one simple thing:  Chapman's pitching is not as good and deep as it has been in the past.  In 25 games, 22 of them have been started by the same three pitchers.  Chapman often has the luxury of matching up their top guys with everyone elses #4-5, but thats a whole different post.  Sigman and Clear have done a pretty good job of beating teams and Kitchens seems to be back in top form.  After those three you only have 2 guys that have thrown more than 10 innings and one fo them is the closer who has 33 innings.  I will stop rambling on now but you have to win 4 games to win a 6 team regional.  I just don't see Chapman having the arms to do it.

The West is so ridiculously talented and Chapman has withstood the onslaught the last couple of years. They've beaten TLU twice, they've fought back with one loss -- they did it last year with Pac Lutheran in the driver's seat. Their depth on the bump wasn't much better last year.

Do I think someone is capable of knocking them off? Certainly. I think you could make a good case for Linfield, UT Tyler and possibly another team or two, but as much as I want to, you won't catch me attributing their lack of success to lack of pitching depth because every year they seem to find a way.

Last year they had five guys that had thrown more than 10 innings all year. Four others recording innings -- 9 IP, 9 IP, 4 IP, and 1 IP respectively.  There's NOT MUCH depth there, but those guys want the ball. Kitchens and Drag were absolute BULLS. If Luzar isn't healthy they may lack the studs on the mounds because Clear & Sigman don't equal what Drag was capable of, I think Clear could get roughed up against good offensive teams, but he's been able to scatter a lot of hits. He's not going to overpower anyone.

Anyway, that's my .02 cents and it's probably not worth that.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 09, 2008, 01:54:05 AM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on April 08, 2008, 04:53:02 PM
Pitchers get better defensive support, particularly on the same team, because they pitch differently. Guys that work fast, throw strikes and let opponents put the ball in play frequently get better defensive support than a guy that works from behind, walks a lot of guys, and tries to strike everyone out.

Well, yeah, there's all that, of course, as well as flyball/groundball/liner tendencies. It is true, though, that if Booher or Holland were pitching in front of Schreiner's defense (just as an example), their numbers wouldn't look as good. The best way I could think of to deal with that was to just make it entirely defense neutral. There are better ways to deal with it I'm sure, but none that I could think of or that were as easy to do.

All that aside, I'm interested to hear what you think of the concept itself, JSG.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 09, 2008, 02:43:50 AM
2007 Playoffs (http://www.titans.uwosh.edu/NCAAChampionship/2007/regionals/scheduleresults.html).  Chapman beats PLU twice on the last day, but UT-D and TLU last until games 10 and 11.

2006 Playoffs (http://www.odaconline.com/div3base/2006/west2006.htm)  Chapman takes two from TLU on the last day.

(Correction -- JSG reminds us that "it was TLU that had to take two from Chapman on the final day. They won the first one, but then Chapman won the second game to advance."  -- Thanks to JSG.)

2005 Playoffs (http://www.odaconline.com/div3base/2005/west2005.htm)  Chapman takes two from TLU on the last day.

2004  Playoffs (http://www.odaconline.com/div3base/2004/west2004.htm) National Champion George Fox knocks out Trinity in the Championship game.  McMurry is sent to Illinois and goes 0-2.

2003 Playoffs (http://www.odaconline.com/div3base/2003/central2003.htm)  Emory knocks out Miss College in the semis in the Central Regional. (Chapman wins)

2002 Playoffs (http://www.odaconline.com/div3base/2002/west2002.htm).  Concordia-Texas advances and loses 5-4 (10) to Champion ECSU and to Lakeland 3-2.

2001 Playoffs (http://www.odaconline.com/div3base/2001/west2001.htm).  McMurry falls 0-2.


In the last 7 years, we have one champ from New England, one from the Mid-Atlantic, one from the Mid-East, 2 from the Midwest and 2 from the West.  (None from the South, none from the New York, and none from the Central Regions.) The ABCA prejudice will remain until the ASC wins the whole thing.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 09, 2008, 02:50:42 AM
UMHB sweeps Trinity 5-3 and 10-9.

Big wins for UMHB.  That helps UMHB if they are contending for a Pool C bid.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 09, 2008, 09:07:09 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 09, 2008, 02:43:50 AM
2006 Playoffs (http://www.odaconline.com/div3base/2006/west2006.htm)  Chapman takes two from TLU on the last day.

Actually Ralph, it was TLU that had to take two from Chapman on the final day. They won the first one, but then Chapman won the second game to advance.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 09, 2008, 10:40:47 AM
I agree that until some ASC team wins the whole thing that they will not be given their due.  With more teams in the playoff and the opportunity that a team like the Ozarks may be in a different region gives them a better chance.  The West Region may be the most talented and since only one team per region can advance somebody who is really good will not make it out of that region. Winning the region is also alot about timing of the match-ups of the top pitchers. If you can match your number 1 or 2 against another teams 4 or 5 you have a much better chance of winning it.  Its too bad that the DIII baseball tournament can't be set up more like D-I basketball where teams are assigned to regions based upon a seeding arrangement as opposed to where they come out of. Thus a Chapman and a UTT could in theory at least both be #1 seeds assigned to different regions and therefore if they both kept winning would not play each other until the world series. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 09, 2008, 11:09:00 AM
UTT beat independent UD 15-0 yesterday in Tyler.
Zeigler and two relievers combined for the shut-out as the Patriots offense continues to bludgeon opponents pitching staffs. In their last 4 games the Patriots have outscored opponents 58-1 and their pitching staff has thrown 3 shutouts.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 09, 2008, 11:11:45 AM
The regional rankings may have as much to do with bus trips and plane flights.

I am not sure whether Ozarks can bus to Abilene.  If they are officially within the 500 mile radius, then they would be sent to the Regional in Abilene.

Because plane flights are necessary for Chapman, the SCIAC Pool A bid, and the Northwest Conference Pool A bid, then they are coming to Abilene.  Trinity can be bused if they win the SCAC Pool A bid.  Millsaps and MissCollege might be sent to St Louis or Atlanta if there is a regional there.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 09, 2008, 11:33:49 AM
Quote from: TexasBB on April 09, 2008, 11:09:00 AM
UTT beat independent UD 15-0 yesterday in Tyler.
Zeigler and two relievers combined for the shut-out as the Patriots offense continues to bludgeon opponents pitching staffs. In their last 4 games the Patriots have outscored opponents 58-1 and their pitching staff has thrown 3 shutouts.
To put those UT-Tyler wins into perspective, they beat LeTU, who is 4-12 vs D-III schools and 2 of those wins were over UDallas.

U Dallas has begun a 12 game stretch versus UTT, Austin College (3) Schreiner (2) Emory (3)  and Chapman (3).  Let's see how many they win.

I think it surprised no one that UTT won those games by those margins.  :)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fungoman on April 09, 2008, 11:51:35 AM
Been really busy at work lately and haven't had a chance to post. You are right Ralph....Let, and Dallas are nothing to brag about although the pitching for Tyler has been outstanding. Those margins no matter who you are playing are impressive.

Have the Concordia folk gone into hiding again? Computers must have broken down again!!! Hate it when that happens!!

Some interesting mathups this weekend on both sides of the division. Top 4 teams will duke it out in the east, while in the west the Concordia/UMHB series and the Mcmurry/HPU series will have huge playoff implications.

What are everyone's predictions for this weekend?

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 09, 2008, 12:37:29 PM
McMurry needs a sweep over HPU.

McMurry needs CTX to fight for their "playoff lives" and win at least 2 of three.

UOz and UT-Tyler win 2 of 3 in their series.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 09, 2008, 02:40:51 PM
My picks for this weekend. Last week I went 15-6, which over the last 3 weekends puts me at 49-14.

Texas-Tyler sweeps Louisiana College
McMurry sweeps Howard Payne
Texas-Dallas takes 2 from LeTourneau
Texas Lutheran takes 2 from Schreiner
Ozarks takes 2 from Mississippi College
Mary Hardin-Baylor takes 2 from Concordia-Texas
Hardin-Simmons sweeps Sul Ross State
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: doctor K on April 09, 2008, 03:13:54 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on April 08, 2008, 10:51:51 PM
I posted some of this on the national page but thought I should put it here too.

TexasBB-   I understand your questions on why the entire ASC is ranked below 20 is one simple thing.  The ABCA's #1 criteria is reputation.  I might be wrong here but the only TX school to ever made it to the World Series is Concordia in 2003 (not positive about the year, just a guess).  Every single year Trinity is always ranked high and they flame out in the regional.  Same with TLU.  I am not bashing the ASC at all because I know there is a lot of great baseball being played out there, but until those teams can make it to the World Series the rest of the coaches around the country will put them lower in the rankings.

All that being said.......I think this is the year Chapman gets knocked off the top of the Western Region mountain.  I am sure people will think I am crazy for this but I will explain.  I think it all comes down to one simple thing:  Chapman's pitching is not as good and deep as it has been in the past.  In 25 games, 22 of them have been started by the same three pitchers.  Chapman often has the luxury of matching up their top guys with everyone elses #4-5, but thats a whole different post.  Sigman and Clear have done a pretty good job of beating teams and Kitchens seems to be back in top form.  After those three you only have 2 guys that have thrown more than 10 innings and one fo them is the closer who has 33 innings.  I will stop rambling on now but you have to win 4 games to win a 6 team regional.  I just don't see Chapman having the arms to do it.
Now with all that said there is one factor that you seem to forget and that is the offense! This year Chapmans offense has improved due to the addition of Coach Koosed, he has done things with this offense that in the past couple of years the Panthers have had the misfortune of lacking, that is run support. If you give a pitcher run support he can be more aggressive on the hill, not only does your defense play better but your pitcher has more confidence when he goes on the mound after every half inning, with his offense scoring 1,2,3,4 runs for you. Last year they had great pitching from Kitchens and Drag and held teams to 1,2,3 or 4 runs per game, if there were more runs than that scored they seemed to rise to the occasion and score just enough runs to win. But this year it is different and yes you have your big dogs in Kitchens and Yacko which you know that you can count on, but also remember that Kitchens pitched in 1 inning the first game of the season and was out for the next month, he has only 3 wins this year compared to Clear with 6 I believe and Sigman with 7 and some guy named Yacko with 4, so out of all the wins in 25 games they have won with pretty much the same couple of guys, Sigman and Clear, and Yacko.They also had the advantage of run support, which in my humble opinion is one of just a few reason's for Chapman's success this year.
           With all that said the GREAT thing about baseball is that until the last out is recorded, it doesn't matter what the critics say or what the stats say or how many blogs are posted on bulletin boards, there will always variables such as the game still has to be played!! And anything can happen on any given day. :D
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 09, 2008, 05:04:15 PM
Ralph I could have added that durring UTTs 7 game wininging steak they also beat HSU 17-6 but I only went back 4 games.  The point is that they continue to pitch well and their bats have really woken up. Granted the HSU game was a mid week afair when each team was throwing thier #4 starters but still 17 runs is smaking the ball against a team that is still in the hunt in the west. UD was 18-10 before this last game so they are not chump change although I will admit that they are not a quality progam and most of their wins have came against relatively weak competition. Still you have to score runs and pitch have way decent to win 18. So loosing to UTT 15-0 says something.  I guess I am still fuming that ABACA has them ranked 23rd.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 09, 2008, 05:30:57 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on April 09, 2008, 05:04:15 PM
Ralph I could have added that during UTTs 7 game winning steak they also beat HSU 17-6 but I only went back 4 games.  The point is that they continue to pitch well and their bats have really woken up. Granted the HSU game was a mid week affair when each team was throwing thier #4 starters but still 17 runs is smacking the ball against a team that is still in the hunt in the west. UD was 18-10 before this last game so they are not chump change although I will admit that they are not a quality program and most of their wins have came against relatively weak competition. Still you have to score runs and pitch have way decent to win 18. So loosing to UTT 15-0 says something.  I guess I am still fuming that ABCA has them ranked 23rd.
Texas BB, I think that you are modifying your comments appropriately.  I am not downplaying UTT.  I think that they deserve their #8 ranking.

For comparison, the UTT win over HSU 17-6 in mid-week tells me that UTT has more depth than HSU.

UDallas' 18-10 is a bit misleading.  Here is UDallas' season.

Hendrix 3-0 ... not as strong as UDallas would like. (Hendrix is 13-23 with 9 wins coming vs weak opposition.)
HPU  2-0    ... good wins
ETBU 0-1   ... !!!
Castleton ST Vermont 3-0 ... snow bird on spring training trip.
Wabash 1-1...........................ditto
LeTU  1-2       !!!

Florida Trip (Everyone else is using this as a spring training trip.  UDallas has played 14 games by now.)
--St Norbert Iowa 0-2
--Framingham State MA 1-0
--Carthage IL  0-2
--St Norbert Iowa  0-1

Robert Morris -- Springfield IL (USCAA) 4-0

HPU 1-1  (Mid-week DH)
U Chicago 2-0  (only the 7th and 8th games of the year for UC
UTT 0-1

I agree that #23 is too low.  So we just have to watch how they do.  :)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 09, 2008, 06:45:15 PM
A "baseball guy" whom I greatly respect makes several points (in an email discussion with me) in reviewing the UT-Tyler season.

QuoteHere is a record to throw out there as well.  The Patriots are only 8-5 against Division III teams with a winning record.  (Corrections appreciated.)

2-1 against Ozarks
2-1 against Concordia
2-1 against UT-Dallas
1-1 against HSU
1-0 against Dallas 
0-1 against McMurry

And, 19 of their wins are against teams that are five or more games under .500.

If the ASC-West is a knock-down drag-out conference of good quality, then we are seeing that.  Otherwise, that is not a good resume for getting into the post-season without a Pool A, i.e., trying to get a Pool C bid.

(I find that UDallas' is 18-11 on the season, but the West Region record is only 10-10.)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 09, 2008, 08:57:15 PM
Ralph those are interesting facts I  do note that two of the UTT losses (McMurry and HSU) happened in the Abeline early season tournament and UTT did not do well there. They had blown leads and there pitching then was not good. They had to come from behind to beat ETTA (I assume your baseball guy is Spence). What they are doing more recently though is impressive and they may be peaking at the right time. 

Having said that this UTT team has chinks in the armor as I have pointed out before and they have had the good luck of playing in a much weaker Eastern Division.  I looked at UMHB from the same vantage point as your baseball expert and find they are 11-5 against teams with a winning record although they did loose 2 out of 3 to Ozarks. They also played some weak non conference games against teams like SAGU and Texas College but did sweep 3 from Trinity who on paper anyway has a 24-10 record but is playing in a much weaker conference.

The West ASC is no doubt a stronger division and having to play tough teams every weekend (with the exc ;)eption of SR and Shreiner) should help all of the qualifiyers to the Confernce Tournament. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on April 09, 2008, 09:47:14 PM
Here is a question someone on here might be able to answer.  Why in the world did Concordia change from CUA to CTX?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on April 10, 2008, 12:10:10 PM
Because they are relocating to Round Rock, and there are at least two more DIII Concordia Universities - so it will help further distinguish them.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 10, 2008, 12:21:39 PM
Actually, I think the move is to Cedar Park, but that's really just splitting hairs. :P
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 11, 2008, 08:08:15 PM
CUA 8, UMHB 2 (http://www2.umhb.edu/sportsinfo/cbaseball/Team_stats.htm#041108-A)

Clutch win by the Tornadoes!

I predict that 2 CTX wins in this series will make this the series that ultimately clinches a playoff spot.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 11, 2008, 08:12:09 PM
UMHB (http://www2.umhb.edu/sportsinfo/cbaseball/Team_stats.htm#040808-B) sweeps a DH from Trinity on Tuesday night!

This is a great series for the Cru in trying to move up in the regional rankings.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 11, 2008, 09:27:21 PM
Update -- McM 3, HPU 3, going to the bottom of the seventh.  Loving has a solo HR off Johnston in the 5th; Leftwich has a solo HR in the 7th.


Tied at 3; going to the 10th.

McM-- Wood in relief for starting pitcher Clint Johnston.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: PeytonLow on April 11, 2008, 10:15:44 PM
Friday's Final
UT Tyler........7
La. College...3
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 11, 2008, 10:40:35 PM
Bottom of the 11th, HPU's Garcia is still on the mound.

McM --

Derrick -- a Texas Leaguer to left.
Jackson -- a single to right, Derrick to second.
Morris -- a perfect bunt, Derrick to thrid, Jackson to second.
Bennett -- intentionally walked to load the bases.
Love -- single up the middle against a pulled-in infield. Derrick scores.

Final McM 4, HPU 3 (11)

McMurry moves into a tie for first with UMHB.

Wood gets the win in relief.  Garcia takes a tough complete game loss.


Coach Driggers said that this was the best game that we have had pitched against McMurry since the Chapman series.  He was complimentary of HPU starting pitcher Adam Garcia who is 4-3 on the season.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 11, 2008, 10:51:07 PM
McMurry did that with Yurchick out with a deep bruise.  Franco has the infected foot, and did not play tonight.  Voorhees hurt his shoulder tonight when he fell trying to catch a foul ball.

Edited -- per hsusid.  Thanks on the details.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 11, 2008, 11:05:46 PM
1.     UMHB               11-5     25-8
2.    McMurry            11-5    21-13
3.    Concordia            9-7    21-13
   Hardin-Simmons        9-7    20-14        (HSU 7, SRSU 6)
   Texas Lutheran        8-8    18-17
   Howard Payne         8-8     14-20
7.    Schreiner            7-9    10-23                  (SU 12,  TLU 8 )
8.    Sul Ross State      1-15    4-26
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 12, 2008, 01:45:30 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 11, 2008, 11:05:46 PM
7.    Schreiner            7-9    10-23                  (SU 12,  TLU 8 )

Why is a starting pitcher still in the game after giving up 11 ER, and 13 hits to a Mountaineer team that has 3 guys hitting .260+ ? I don't understand why Wesson would go back out for the 5th, and I know it's Schreiner and every game is a do or die at this point, but TLU put themselves in that situation. Do you really throw Conley the last 3.1 down 11-3 ?

In any event with CTX standing up to UMHB, and HSU likely sweeping Sul Ross, TLU is on the verge of digging their hole too deep.

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on April 12, 2008, 07:20:01 PM
Mississippi College and #14 Ozarks split today. Ozarks won the opener 9-5 and MC won the second 11-8. I'm pretty sure tomorrow's pitchers will be MC's Jonathan Russell  (6-1, 3.40) vs Bruce Cameron (5-0, 1.82).
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 12, 2008, 07:53:06 PM
McM sweeps HPU 6-3 and 16-5 today. Stats (http://athletics.mcm.edu/sports/baseball/2008/teamstat.htm)

McMurry is now ahead of UMHB by 1+ games in the standings, because CTX swept the UMHB series in Belton, 8-2. 11-3, and 13-7!    UMHB web site (http://www.umhb.edu/athletics/baseball/schedule.html)  CTX knocks UMHB into the fourth seed at this time.  HSU sweeps the SRSU series by 7-6, 4-1, 4-3.

If McMurry wins 1 of three versus SRSU in Alpine next week, they clinch West Region co-champs and a home series in the first weekend of play.

If McMurry wins 2 of 3 vs SRSU next weekend, they are seeded to host the conference tourney, providing they win the first round conference series versus an opponent to be named later.

As it stands, there is a three-way tie for second by CTX, HSU and UMHB.  IN the three way head-to-head, CTX is 4-2, HSU is 3-3 and UMHB is 2-4.  They are seeded #2, #3 and #4 respectively.

Next week McMurry goes to Alpine, CTX hosts Schreiner,  HSU goes to TLU, UMHB goes to HPU.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 12, 2008, 08:13:42 PM
Schreiner (http://athletics.schreiner.edu/baseball/schedule.htm) takes 2 of 3 from TLU.

12-8 last night, 5-4 today, before losing the third 8-13.


1.    McMurry                 13-5    23-13  (Goes to SRSU; clinches #1 seed with 2 wins.)
2.*      Concordia           11-7    23-13  (Hosts Schreiner, needs to win one game.)
2.**    Hardin-Simmons   11-7    22-14  (Goes to TLU; needs to win one game.)
2.***     UMHB              11-7    25-10  (Goes to HPU; needs to win one game.)

5.   Texas Lutheran         9-9      19-18  (Earns a playoff bid by sweeping HSU.)
6.*  Howard Payne         8-10    14-22 (Won series 2 of 3 over Schreiner)
6.**    Schreiner            8-10    10-25                 
8.    Sul Ross State         1-17    4-28


Last weekend of the season, and 7 of 8 teams have mathematical chances to make the playoffs!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 12, 2008, 09:07:52 PM
UT-Tyler sweeps LaCollege, 7-3, 6-5, 13-0.  (At MissCollege next weekend.)  UT-Tyler is 13-2 in the East.

Miss College is 11-3 in the East Division and plays a single game tomorrow versus UOzarks.

UOzarks is 13-4 in conference play and plays their last East Division game tomorrow.

LaCollege is 7-8 in the East and hosts LeTU next weekend.

Remember season #1 and #2 host (crossover) playoff games in the following weekend.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 13, 2008, 09:35:40 AM
ASC East could get very interesting.  If Ozarks wins today and Mississipi College takes two out of 3 from UTT (at Miss Col) then we could have a 3 way tie for first with no clear winer. In that case UTT would have won the Series against Ozarks; with Ozarks winning the series against Miss; and Miss winnig the Series against UTT.  Ralph what is the next tie breaker for top seed in the East?

If Miss beats Ozarks today and takes 2 of 3 from UTT next week then Miss is the East Champ.
If UTT takes 2 of 3 from Miss next week they are champs no matter what happens today.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 13, 2008, 09:40:55 AM
Correction Miss has 3 losses now Ozarks 4 and UTT 2

If Miss losses it must sweep UTT to win.


A 3 way tie connot occur
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 13, 2008, 01:16:21 PM
There still are possibilities in which each of the 3 teams in the ASC east could be champions.

UTT controlls its own destiny if it wins 2 out of 3 from Miss next week.

Miss also contolls its own destiny. If becomes champion by beating Ozarks today and winning 2 out of 3 from UTT next week.

Ozarks wins if it beats Miss today and Miss sweeps UTT next week. If Miss only wins 2-3 UTT wins championship since it beat Ozarks 2-3 earlier in the year.

So next week - the final week of the season will determine the champion and the seeding.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 13, 2008, 04:15:12 PM
MissCollege 10, UOz 6; Choctaws batting in the top of the 7th.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 13, 2008, 05:27:27 PM
It is the bottom of the ninth.  Mississippi College led by 14-6 after the top of the 7th.  UOz is now batting in the bottom of the 9th, trailing 14-12 with runners in 1st and 2nd and winning run at the plate.

Ground ball to short, fielder's choice 6 unassisted on the put out at second.

Final Mississippi College 14, UOzarks 12.

UOzarks finishes 3rd in the ASC-East at 13-5., unless UT-Tyler sweeps Mississippi College next weekend.

Cameron gets the lost for UOzarks.  Cory Briggs goes 5-6, including a 3-run HR.

Mississippi College's Jonathan Russell gets the win.  MissCollege is 12-3 on the season going into the UT-Tyler series.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 13, 2008, 05:39:30 PM
So now it comes down to UTT and Miss Col.  - The winner of the series will be the East Champion and top seed with the looser the #2 seed in the East.  The West is going down to the last week also. This is great no team this year dominated. Balance and battles in both divisions. This is fun!!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on April 13, 2008, 05:50:10 PM
Great win for Mississippi College today in a wild game. Heading into the ninth, MC led 14-9 with all nine of Ozarks' runs being unearned. Don't know if I've ever seen that many in one game. Jonathan Russell gutted out six innings allowing six unearned runs on 11 hits. I don't know if everyone remembers him from two years ago, but he was the ASC East Division Pitcher of the Year before missing last season due to Tommy John Surgery. He's had a very good senior season.

The Choctaws have flown under the radar a bit this year thanks to a 6-9 record against non-ASC teams, but they play a tough nonconference schedule with three games vs Belhaven (NAIA #24), three vs Millsaps, and games against Rhodes and Illinois Wesleyan.

Next weekend should be fun with one of the nation's top teams coming to town, anxious to finally get a look at the Patriots after the last two seasons they have put together.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 13, 2008, 06:20:59 PM
Chris, congratulations on the clutch series.

Speaking as the fan of a fierce rival, I look at your season and see an enigma.  ;)

The win over Huntingdon is expected.  However, the series versus Sul Ross State was too close for comfort (5-4, 8-4, 8-5).  (I am sure that McMurry will take those 3 scores right now.)

--You were swept in the 3-game series by Hardin-Simmons.  The Cowboys are looking to lock in a playoff berth next weekend.

--Millsaps, from our arch-rival SCAC, swept you three times in critical in-region matches.  Millsaps only went 5-7 versus the Texas side of the SCAC-West (AC, Southwestern and Trinity TX).

--The Rhodes' win is a very good win, but it looks like you got a scheduling break in that you did not have a conference game in the next weekend, and they were in the middle of an Emory DH (IN-region) , MissColl/Christian Brothers (D-2) set and then on to Sewanee for a conference series.

--The Illinois Wesleyan win was on their spring trip.  That are taking pride in that loss, so that may be a good thing for the Choctaws.

Good luck next weekend.  I don't know what to think about the conference this weekend.  Texas BB is right about this year... no dominant teams.  I think that we need to see whether our Pool A bid goes two-and-home in the Regional (reflecting great mediocrity) or makes some noise about a strong balanced conference.


Errata -- Thanks to Chris Brooks  Rhodes beat Mississippi College, 6-5.   (I was viewing the Rhodes website when I typed that.  ARRGGGHHH!)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on April 13, 2008, 07:07:58 PM
Ralph,

I'll take the Rhodes win, but we actually blew a two run lead in the ninth to them and lost 6-5.

This season has been hard to figure out, but since that 1-7 start we have gone 20-8. I would say some of the inconsistency, particularly early, came from the fact that we have so many new players. We only returned one regular position player from last year, first baseman Max Parks, and the rest are mostly transfers with a couple of exceptions.

The pitching staff only has two pitchers from last season seeing significant time on the mound. Jonathan Russell is back after missing last season which obviously has been a huge addition, but most of the staff is made up of transfers from the Mississippi JUCO ranks. I think it just took a while for everyone to fit into a role and for the pitching rotation to get settled.

Hopefully, we can continue to improve in the next couple of weeks.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 13, 2008, 07:17:40 PM
Chris, thanks for the analysis.

If Mississippi College is peaking at the right time, then they can probably take it all.

I need some UMHB fans to explain CTX's sweep.

McM is "bunged up".  Franco is not back at full speed, and we can see who plays in the SRSU series.  Taking 2 of 3 from the Lobos clinches the #1 seed.

HSU has been quietly working its way back into contention.

HPU fought us hard on Friday night, but we probably took it out of them with the tough series.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on April 13, 2008, 08:22:34 PM
The momentum swing of game three of the McMurry series really showed up this weekend for CTX. Great series and hopefully it caries over for a homestand with Schriener.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 13, 2008, 08:24:28 PM
I went to the double header between UTT and Louisianna College yesterday. Holland struggled for the first time this season with his command. He only walked one batter but he hit 4 and struggled the entire time. The defense helped him out of jams but he ended up given up 5 earned Runs in 5.2 innings of work. Not a good day at the office for him. The Patriots saw a 5-2 lead dissapear in the 6th inning as LoColl scored 3 runs to tie the game. Zielger came in and pitched very good in relief stiking out 2 and not allowing a hit in the 1.1 ininnings he worked to pick up the victory. The Patriots ended up winning the game with a walk off home run in the bottom of the 7th by Kyle Braden.

In the second game Louisiana College was vicimized by the home run as the Patriots clubbed 4 of them and scored their first 7 runs off homers. In the meantime Campbell returned to form thowing a complete game shutout. His slider was devestating and he seemed to have full command of all his pitches somethng that has been lacking in 2 of his last 3 outings. I was also impressed with the Patriots defense. Fox is an excellent shortstop with great range and a good glove. He made a couple of great plays in the game. They have a very good defensive infield with Baker at second and Joseph Towns at third. Their centerfielder Chris Goss is short but very fast with great range making them really good up the middle on defense.
The whole team is solid. No big "stars" but alot of very good performers without any real weak bats in the lineup and no defensive liabilities in the field.  They are a very strong team and have now won 10 in row heading into the pivitol series with Mississippi College.  

It would appear that both teams are peaking at the right time.  


Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseballfan24 on April 14, 2008, 12:21:16 AM
I would have a hard time seeing CTX lose any games to Schreiner.  Plain and simple, CTX will likely hit very well against them. 

Where is the series being played at?  Is Concordia still using their old fied or have they moved?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 14, 2008, 12:33:39 AM
Quote from: baseballfan24 on April 14, 2008, 12:21:16 AM
I would have a hard time seeing CTX lose any games to Schreiner.  Plain and simple, CTX will likely hit very well against them. 

Where is the series being played at?  Is Concordia still using their old field or have they moved?
Last regular season game at the old field.  Sweep the series and you get the crossover series. 


Errata:

A friend of mine reminds me that HSU has the tie-breaker in a 2-way tie for second with CTX.

UMHB has the tie-breaker in a two-way tie with HSU for second.

CTX has the tie-breaker with UMHB in a 2-way tie for second.

Thanks friend and +1!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on April 14, 2008, 07:08:26 PM
Concordia will play its final homestand against Schriener at Keller Fatzauld  field on the Concordia Campus. Hate to see field get bulldozed, the atmosphere there right downtown is something you cant beat.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseballfan24 on April 14, 2008, 07:28:39 PM
Since the game is the small park Schreiner may hit some excuse me homeruns, but I'll take Concordia to sweep on senior weekend.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 14, 2008, 08:05:06 PM
Here are my picks for the final weekend of the regular season.

Mary Hardin-Baylor takes 2 from Howard Payne
Texas-Dallas sweeps East Texas Baptist
Hardin-Simmons takes 2 from Texas Lutheran
Louisiana College sweeps LeTourneau
Texas-Tyler sweeps Mississippi College
McMurry sweeps Sul Ross State
Concordia-Texas sweeps Schreiner

If that holds true, it makes the crossover round games as follows:

W4 Hardin-Simmons at E1 Texas-Tyler
W3 Mary Hardin-Baylor at E2 Ozarks
E4 Louisiana College at W1 McMurry
E3 Mississippi College at W2 Concordia-Texas
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 14, 2008, 08:36:57 PM
And here are the new team rankings after this past weekend's games.

Team DICE
Texas-Tyler - 3.11
Ozarks - 3.78
Louisiana College - 4.03
McMurry - 4.34
Mississippi College - 4.39

Team DBsRA
Texas-Tyler - 3.99
Ozarks - 4.98
Louisiana College - 5.68
Texas-Dallas - 5.72
Mississippi College - 5.75

Team Defense
Texas-Tyler - .707
Texas-Dallas - .677
Ozarks - .668
Mississippi College - .668
Mary Hardin-Baylor - .663

Team Speed
Mary Hardin-Baylor - 8.55
Texas-Tyler - 8.37
Mississippi College - 8.05
Schreiner - 7.82
Ozarks - 7.68

Team BsR/PA
Texas-Tyler - .231
Mary Hardin-Baylor - .217
Ozarks - .216
McMurry - .214
Concordia-Texas - .204
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 15, 2008, 02:51:34 PM
QuoteCTX beat umhb because they are not any good.  Hate to break the news to y'all but I got the scouting report on them and they have played a brutally easy schedule early on and now its biting them in the butt. 

I wonder, if that is how you explain CTX beating UMHB, how did you react when HPU took 2 from CTX? Seems to me that the reason CTX won was that they finally got an above-average performance from their pitchers as they only gave up 12 runs in 3 games. UMHB very well may have played an easier schedule than most, but I don't think you win 25 games by accident.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm505 on April 15, 2008, 02:55:41 PM
Not to mention, didn't UMHB take 2 of 3 from my McMurry Indians, a team that went on to take 2 of 3 from CTX?  I have never been a fan of UMHB, but give credit where it is due, you don't win games in this conference unless you can play some ball.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 15, 2008, 03:19:35 PM
Here are my new player top 5's after last weekend's games. I also combined all three VORP lists into one, and I have the top 10 players from that; if a player showed up more than once (as in, he hits and pitches) I combined the 2 numbers.

Starter DICE
B. Holland, UTT - 2.12, 67.1 IP
B. Booher, UTT - 2.50, 71.2
T. Koch, UO - 2.77, 55.1
C. Curry, MCM - 2.86, 57.1
T. Williams, MC - 3.15, 47.0

Starter DBsRA
B. Booher, UTT - 3.14, 71.2
B. Holland, UTT - 3.29, 67.1
C. Curry, MCM - 3.35, 57.1
T. Koch, UO - 3.58, 55.1
C. Dixon, UO - 4.39, 54.2

Starter VORP
B. Booher, UTT - 36.81, 71.2
B. Holland, UTT - 33.47, 67.1
C. Curry, MCM - 28.13, 57.1
M. Cox, UTD - 26.21, 70.0
T. Koch, UO - 25.74, 55.1

Reliever DICE
B. Ziegler, UTT - 2.06, 33.0 IP
K. Evans, UTT - 2.67, 12.0
K. Barton, HSU - 2.92, 36.0
J. Alcorn, HSU - 3.03, 32.1
C. Munchrath, UTT - 3.04, 24.0

Reliever DBsRA
B. Ziegler, UTT - 2.50, 33.0 IP
A. Spinn, UTD - 3.08, 19.1
K. Evans, UTT - 3.55, 12.0
K. Barton, HSU - 3.67, 36.0
R. Conley, TLU - 3.78, 31.0

Reliever VORP
B. Ziegler, UTT - 19.30, 33.0
K. Barton, HSU - 16.37, 36.0
R. Conley, TLU - 13.73, 31.0
J. Alcorn, HSU - 13.53, 32.1
T. Staggs, TLU - 11.37, 39.1

BsR/PA
D. David, MCM - .344, 175 PA
T. Williams, CTX - .335, 182
R. Dixon, HSU - .322, 89
K. Fox, UTT - .313, 179
B. Cameron, UO - .309, 138

Speed
J. Kinsey, SRSU - 13.97
J. Villegas, UMHB - 13.15
K. Harvey, TLU - 12.64
D. Roux, LC - 12.40
C. Farra, UTT - 11.57

VORP
K. Fox, UTT - 39.04, 179 PA
D. David, MCM - 38.36, 175
T. Williams, CTX - 32.21, 182
K. Harvey, TLU - 29.11, 168
C. Briggs, UO - 28.24, 157

Overall VORP
B. Cameron, UO - 39.09
K. Fox, UTT - 39.04
D. David, MCM - 38.36
B. Booher, UTT - 36.81
B. Holland, UTT - 33.47
T. Williams, CTX - 32.21
R. Finnell, UO - 30.11
K. Harvey, TLU - 29.11
C. Briggs, UO - 28.24
C. Curry, MCM - 28.13
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 16, 2008, 08:12:52 AM
Quote from: D35W on April 16, 2008, 07:44:41 AM
I was wondering if anybody can explain to me what has happend to TLU since the departure of Miller?  Even with less than steller players some years they still did well.  I really felt like they would be even better with Burnett in there.  Any updates on whats happening in Seguin?

I'd argue that even with "less than stellar" players they still had solid senior leadership, a good core on the bump, and played relatively sound defense.

This year their pitching has been really weak, particularly with Hull battling injuries throughout the year, Yager struggling, and not a very good influx of new arms. The defense has been marginal at best.

They will return some guys that can swing the stick next year, Harvey, Nokelby, Farr (?) (that's a filthy outfield), and Femath though so provided they could get a freshman that could contribute on the mound right away or a couple of decent JUCO guys they could be right back in the mix.

JSG



Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conferenceui
Post by: CUAfan on April 16, 2008, 11:30:14 AM
Quote from: D35W on April 16, 2008, 07:36:17 AM
And I do believe that you can win 25 games without being very good when you play brutal teams before conference.

I did a quick once-over of UMHB's schedule, and I wouldn't necessarily call it "brutal." Out of conference, they swept 3 games against Trinity and won their game against Texas Wesleyan (a 30-win NAIA team). They also swept ETBU and took one from Ozarks. Getting into the ASC West, they've gone 2-1 against SRSU, HSU, McMurry, TLU, and Schreiner; only Concordia's beaten them more than twice on a weekend (swept them, obviously). While they had some other games I didn't look into much, that still adds up to 19 of their 25 wins. While it's not the hardest schedule ever by any means, I don't think you can really call it "brutal".
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fungoman on April 16, 2008, 11:39:35 AM
Quote from: D35W on April 16, 2008, 07:36:17 AM
Quote from: mcm505 on April 15, 2008, 02:55:41 PM
Not to mention, didn't UMHB take 2 of 3 from my McMurry Indians, a team that went on to take 2 of 3 from CTX?  I have never been a fan of UMHB, but give credit where it is due, you don't win games in this conference unless you can play some ball.

I am sure as with most of the teams that have lost to umhb that MCM took them lightly since they have not been very competitive over the last few years.  And I do believe that you can win 25 games without being very good when you play brutal teams before conference.

I am not so sure that anyone takes a team nationally ranked lightly, so that comment doesn't make any sense. I have not seen UMHB play, but I have seen Concordia, and quite honestly I was not impressed. Maybe the whole west is just overrated?

I see the Concordia fans that were MIA for 2 weeks are back on the board, except for HAMBONE. Did daddy tell you to quit posting? So you call up your boyfriend David White to post for you? It really is quite funny.

Heading to Mississippi this weekend to bring home the East division champion again. Should be a good series, but I am predicting a Tyler sweep in 3 close games.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on April 16, 2008, 01:56:52 PM
Quote from: fungoman on April 16, 2008, 11:39:35 AM
Quote from: D35W on April 16, 2008, 07:36:17 AM
Quote from: mcm505 on April 15, 2008, 02:55:41 PM
Not to mention, didn't UMHB take 2 of 3 from my McMurry Indians, a team that went on to take 2 of 3 from CTX?  I have never been a fan of UMHB, but give credit where it is due, you don't win games in this conference unless you can play some ball.

I am sure as with most of the teams that have lost to umhb that MCM took them lightly since they have not been very competitive over the last few years.  And I do believe that you can win 25 games without being very good when you play brutal teams before conference.

I am not so sure that anyone takes a team nationally ranked lightly, so that comment doesn't make any sense. I have not seen UMHB play, but I have seen Concordia, and quite honestly I was not impressed. Maybe the whole west is just overrated?

I see the Concordia fans that were MIA for 2 weeks are back on the board, except for HAMBONE. Did daddy tell you to quit posting? So you call up your boyfriend David White to post for you? It really is quite funny.

Heading to Mississippi this weekend to bring home the East division champion again. Should be a good series, but I am predicting a Tyler sweep in 3 close games.

I have been absent because i actually do have a life.  I wouldnt necessarily call it MIA as I dont remember ever missing any role-call.  In fact the only action that really went on since my last post was my tornados sweeping the most un-sweepable team in college baseball....and i was present for that, so i have been PftA (Present for the Action)...Fungoman it sounds like you are a little jealous that David White is my friend and not yours...he is actually not my boyfriend, he is married, but I can see how you might be confused since we played together and dominated together.  And as of now my boyfriend and I still have rings that say West Regional Champs....something you dont have.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on April 16, 2008, 02:15:04 PM
D35W-  I have said it before but until the ASC sends teams to the WOrld Series on a regular basis they are not going to be considered the top in the nation.  There are many good teams in TX but the only time the ASC made a W.S. trip the went 2&Q so it obviously isn't that easy to just go to WI and beat the Northern schools.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 16, 2008, 02:21:06 PM
The biggest difference that I think we see in the ASC versus other parts of the country is that those teams that get to WI have very dominating pitching from very deep pitching staffs.

I wonder if those very good teams such as Cortland St or the Wisconsin teams or the NJAC teams or the Little East Conference teams such as Keene State or Eastern Connecticut State have their pitching talent diluted as we do in Texas.

We have sixteen D-III's in Texas, another 10 NAIA's, another dozen D-II's and 50-60 NJCAA's all needing more pitching than they have now.

If we had that dominating pitching down here, then we might have gotten to the D-III World Series more often than once! 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 16, 2008, 02:42:33 PM
I think the ASC has a very competitive conference that can stand with any in the country.  They have had 3 teams this year that have been ranked in the top 25. Also the West was particularly rough this year. The pitching in the East is a bit deeper with UTT and Ozarks. Generally each team in the West has one good starter then a committee. McMurrry's bats however are exceptional. Their top 5 batters have great stats with 4 hitting over .400 and the 5th over .380. They also have an unbelievable slugging percentage, total home runs and RBIs.  They may be able to overcome the lack of pitching depth with their potenet offense. UTT is all around solid. No big boomers but as a whole alot of offense and the best defense to go along with the best pitching staff in the conference. They have on paper anyway the best chance in the Regionals (assuming they get there).  Vilade had great teams at UD in the past but has never won a conference tournament. Will he succeed this year?

The problem this year as in past years will be getting by Chapman. I think one of the ASC teams will be battling Chapman for the Regional Title. The question is can the ASC get by them this year. If we can I think we can win it all.

Call me the eternal optimist or just a too eager fan but I truely believe it is possible.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on April 16, 2008, 02:43:04 PM
Oh come on Ralph, are you trying to tel me that there is too much competition in TX with 200+ schools ;D
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on April 16, 2008, 03:02:58 PM
I think the ASC offensively can stand with any conference, but I don't think it can with the pitching.

Those good teams in the East have 5-6 pro type arms and we see maybe 5-6 pro type arms every 10 years. The offense in the league is so good, because the pitching has been so mediocre as whole. Especially past the top starter in everyone's staff.

I think every team in the league would struggle to hit someone that throws consistently at 87-89 and can throw a curve ball for a strike. We don't see any of those type arms and that is what the good teams in Division III have.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 16, 2008, 03:18:51 PM
UTT has 5 arms in the velocity range you are talking about. Booher is in the low 90s, Holland and Cambell in the upper 80s and Ziegler and Munchrath in the mid to upper 80s. They also have a couple of other relievers in the Mid 80s. So velocity and good stuff is not an issue with that staff. They are ranked 6th in the nation so they are a legitimate contender. Will they live up to expectations.

In so far as having watered down pitching, I am a former Ohio native and that state has 20 Div III schools, 4 DIV II and 13 DIV I schools playing baseball not to mention JUCO and NAIA Schools with they also have. That state has less than 1/2 the population as Texas and far less kids playing baseball year round. So I don't buy the water down arguement.  I am sure Spence would have a field day with someone argueing that the poor Texans have too many schools.

So I would not go there. We lost because we can't get past a tough regional.  Baseball in the ASC in the past 5 years is much tougher than it was in the mid 90s.
We lost in the past because of being in a tough region and not having the overall tallent. Now we have the talent - no excuses.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 16, 2008, 03:47:44 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on April 16, 2008, 02:43:04 PM
Oh come on Ralph, are you trying to tell me that there is too much competition in TX with 200+ schools ;D
Yeah, and every pitching staff tries to have 3-4 quality arms, at minimum!

And the guys that are thinking pro ball are going to the "developmental JUCO's" that we have in the state "on scholarship"  ;) !

Quote from: hsusid on April 16, 2008, 03:02:58 PM
I think the ASC offensively can stand with any conference, but I don't think it can with the pitching.

Those good teams in the East have 5-6 pro type arms and we see maybe 5-6 pro type arms every 10 years. The offense in the league is so good, because the pitching has been so mediocre as whole. Especially past the top starter in everyone's staff.

I think every team in the league would struggle to hit someone that throws consistently at 87-89 and can throw a curve ball for a strike. We don't see any of those type arms and that is what the good teams in Division III have.

Great Post, hsusid!

Good luck to the Cowboys this weekend!  :)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 16, 2008, 06:11:16 PM
Does anyone know when the trading deadline is for D3?

What would it take to get Mark Cox (http://athletics.mcm.edu/Pdfs/baseball/2008/4/15/mcmutd2.htm) as another arm in rotation for the playoffs?

:D
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on April 16, 2008, 06:15:31 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on April 16, 2008, 03:18:51 PM
UTT has 5 arms in the velocity range you are talking about. Booher is in the low 90s, Holland and Cambell in the upper 80s and Ziegler and Munchrath in the mid to upper 80s. They also have a couple of other relievers in the Mid 80s. So velocity and good stuff is not an issue with that staff. They are ranked 6th in the nation so they are a legitimate contender. Will they live up to expectations.

I will add my thoughts to that after the season.   


QuoteIn so far as having watered down pitching, I am a former Ohio native and that state has 20 Div III schools, 4 DIV II and 13 DIV I schools playing baseball not to mention JUCO and NAIA Schools with they also have. That state has less than 1/2 the population as Texas and far less kids playing baseball year round. So I don't buy the water down arguement.  I am sure Spence would have a field day with someone argueing that the poor Texans have too many schools.

FYI, those Ohio teams aren't competing for and winning national titles in any level but Division III. Texas has teams all over the national rankings and competing for national titles. When is the last time an Ohio team won a national title in baseball.

Just a little flaw to your numbers as well. In Texas there are 36 JUCOs, in Ohio there are six. Those pro type guys are going to JUCOs, whereas those protype guys in Ohio are filtering to Division IIIs. BTW, there are 12 NAIAs in Texas and 9 in Ohio, there are 10 Division II teams in Texas and 3 in Ohio and there are 18 Division I teams in Texas and 13 in Ohio. That makes 76 scholarship schools in Texas and 31 in Ohio. I will admit there are more players in Texas, but you look on almost every roster in scholarship baseball and there are Texas players on that roster.

So not only do we fill Texas' schools rosters up, we also fill up a lot of other schools in the country. Every scholarship school is spending time in Texas every summer. 


QuoteSo I would not go there. (I went there with facts to back it up). We lost because we can't get past a tough regional (it has been the same team, so I wouldn't say it is the regional it is Chapman and it is not like they have torn up the Series except the year they won it).  Baseball in the ASC in the past 5 years is much tougher (I don't know if I agree with that, early 00's Schreiner, UMHB and TLU were all still coming off scholarships, Vilade had UD going, MC was very good, McMurry had some legit teams) than it was in the mid 90s. (There was no ASC in the mid 90's.)


QuoteWe lost in the past because of being in a tough region and not having the overall tallent. Now we have the talent - no excuses.

I am anxious to see what the ASC rep does in the regional. That Concordia team had great arms, that is why they went to the World Series. Berkman, Chavez and Gardner were a legit 1-2-3. No one else before or since then has had that. 

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 16, 2008, 06:56:31 PM
I still don't buy the lack of arms.  The Ohio Schools have the same issue - lots of teams to spread around a thin talent pool. We have more schools but the talent pool is much larger.  The same arguement can be made about hitters but we seem to have good hitting. The fact that we have so many JUCOs means that there is alot of potential talent to pick up besides from HS. In Ohio the DIII are primarily using HS talent and forced to develop that talent in-house over a short 40 game season. Many of our ASC schools make heavy use of JUCO talent including pitchers  that have been used for 2 years against quality JUCO teams. Most of the JUCO pithchers do not go on to DIV I or II programs. So alot of quality is available. Here in the metro-plex we have several quality DIV III Jucos and UTD and UTT as well as other ASC teams make heavy use of that talent pool just look at their rosters and see how many are JUCO transfers.

So the talent pool is available between the graduating HS players and the JUCOs their is a bunch to pick from.  Some schools recruit better than others and those that can consitantly recruit well have the better programs. Vilade at UTT is one of those that is very good at recruiting JUCO talent. He did the same thing when he was at UD.  Since he left the later program it has dropped considerably. Those are two very different schools from a cost standpoint. Recruiting abilitynot lack of pitching ability is where I would focus my attention. 

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: All-AmericanFan on April 16, 2008, 09:53:13 PM
Ok here's my opinion from watching D3 baseball for the last ten years, up until when was it 2005 when the extra week of playoffs were added? Before then the ASC champion would have a two and a week lay off before it played in the regional, and any player hitter taking that long off would struggle to keep his timing, pitch selection/ discipline in my opinion. Now, the champs still have to wait about 10-12 days, which is a long time for a baseball player (consider the MLB all-star BREAK is only 3 days).

I dont think ASC have struggled due to pitching depth, take the TLU teams of 2005 and 2006 as example, they had plenty of pitching. Co-Freshman of the year in 2004, Brian Wallace, didn't see much time for TLU on the mound in 2005 or 2006 due to the depth.

Plain and simple, Chapman has figured out a way to compete to win the regional year after year. In 2005, they won about 4 games in a row with their backs against the wall. Only the CUA team of 2002, yes we know HAMBONE your team, have pulled off playing well and winning the tournament. The ASC champ will just have to learn how to stay focused and determined to win despite the long lay off
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 16, 2008, 10:12:19 PM
Just to demonstrate where the talent comes from I took a look at the rosters of 4 teams. Two in Ohio from the NCAC - Wooster and Denison who are the respective division leaders in that conference. From the ASC I took UTT and McMurry also the division leaders.

Here is what you find.
                                          Denison        Wooster          UTT         McMurry
Total Roster                              26             32                 36               38
Transrers from JUCO or other     0               1                  22               16
Recruits from HS                        26             31                 14               22
Freshman                                  12               8                    5                8
Soph                                           7              13                    8               5
Juniors                                        3                4                  15              13
Seniors                                       4                7                    8               12

Very interesting to say the least. The two good Ohio schools are almost exclusivly made up of HS recruits and are predominantly made up of under classman. The two Texas programs are bigger and made up of a considerable number of Juco transfers. Also the Texas schools are predominantly upper class heavy.

That tells me that the two Texas schools use the JUCOs like a JV.  You would think that with that heavy of JUCO laden talent and being mostly upper classman that they would dominate the two Ohio schools. It would give the appearance of a varsity vs a JV type environment.  Bigger Rosters more transfers and more upper classman.   So what is the excuse?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: All-AmericanFan on April 17, 2008, 12:25:22 AM
Quote from: TexasBB on April 16, 2008, 10:12:19 PM
Just to demonstrate where the talent comes from I took a look at the rosters of 4 teams. Two in Ohio from the NCAC - Wooster and Denison who are the respective division leaders in that conference. From the ASC I took UTT and McMurry also the division leaders.

Here is what you find.
                                          Denison        Wooster          UTT         McMurry
Total Roster                              26             32                 36               38
Transrers from JUCO or other     0               1                  22               16
Recruits from HS                        26             31                 14               22
Freshman                                  12               8                    5                8
Soph                                           7              13                    8               5
Juniors                                        3                4                  15              13
Seniors                                       4                7                    8               12

Very interesting to say the least. The two good Ohio schools are almost exclusivly made up of HS recruits and are predominantly made up of under classman. The two Texas programs are bigger and made up of a considerable number of Juco transfers. Also the Texas schools are predominantly upper class heavy.

That tells me that the two Texas schools use the JUCOs like a JV.  You would think that with that heavy of JUCO laden talent and being mostly upper classman that they would dominate the two Ohio schools. It would give the appearance of a varsity vs a JV type environment.  Bigger Rosters more transfers and more upper classman.   So what is the excuse?


Well notice that in the example of those four teams, only 7 of the 26 Denison players (27%) and 18 of 32 (56%) players from Wooster are from Ohio, however 30 of 36 (83%) of Tyler and 33 of 38 (87%) McMurry players are from Texas
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 17, 2008, 09:34:51 AM
Denison considers itself to be a quasi Ivy League type school and the majority of its student body comes from outside of Ohio - primarily east coast.  The proportion of its student athletes generally reflects its student body as a whole just the same as the Texas Schools. UTT being a state school charges much higher tuition for non residents so it is not surprising that its student body and its athletes would come from Texas.  I know less about McMurry and Wooster but I would guess that their student athletes reflect about the same % of in state population as the student body as a whole. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseballfan24 on April 17, 2008, 02:57:09 PM
Quote from: D35W on April 16, 2008, 11:04:25 PM
Quote from: All-AmericanFan on April 16, 2008, 09:53:13 PM
Ok here's my opinion from watching D3 baseball for the last ten years, up until when was it 2005 when the extra week of playoffs were added? Before then the ASC champion would have a two and a week lay off before it played in the regional, and any player hitter taking that long off would struggle to keep his timing, pitch selection/ discipline in my opinion. Now, the champs still have to wait about 10-12 days, which is a long time for a baseball player (consider the MLB all-star BREAK is only 3 days).

I dont think ASC have struggled due to pitching depth, take the TLU teams of 2005 and 2006 as example, they had plenty of pitching. Co-Freshman of the year in 2004, Brian Wallace, didn't see much time for TLU on the mound in 2005 or 2006 due to the depth.

Plain and simple, Chapman has figured out a way to compete to win the regional year after year. In 2005, they won about 4 games in a row with their backs against the wall. Only the CUA team of 2002, yes we know HAMBONE your team, have pulled off playing well and winning the tournament. The ASC champ will just have to learn how to stay focused and determined to win despite the long lay off

Brian Wallace did not pitch much in 2005 or 2006 because to be honest he was not really that good.  Nothing against the guy but he could not get lefty's out which is a must when you are a left handed pitcher.   I know he was really knocked around in the 2004 series against CUA/CTX.
I was wondering what kind of pressure Chapman has as far as recruiting there players? 
I have not seen them play but would like the chance.
And yes that 2002 team was a very good and did happen to get hot at the right time.

You guys may be thinking of Kyle Newman.  Newman was the 2004 co-freshman of the year.  Wallace was a freshman in 03.

Newman wasn't great against leftys but he was pretty good.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 18, 2008, 09:03:59 AM
Quote from: TexasBB on April 16, 2008, 10:12:19 PM
Just to demonstrate where the talent comes from I took a look at the rosters of 4 teams. Two in Ohio from the NCAC - Wooster and Denison who are the respective division leaders in that conference. From the ASC I took UTT and McMurry also the division leaders.

Here is what you find.
                                          Denison        Wooster          UTT         McMurry
Total Roster                              26             32                 36               38
Transfers from JUCO or other     0               1                  22               16
Recruits from HS                        26             31                 14               22
Freshman                                  12               8                    5                8
Soph                                           7              13                    8               5
Juniors                                        3                4                  15              13
Seniors                                       4                7                    8               12

Very interesting to say the least. The two good Ohio schools are almost exclusively made up of HS recruits and are predominantly made up of under classmen. The two Texas programs are bigger and made up of a considerable number of Juco transfers. Also the Texas schools are predominantly upper class heavy.

That tells me that the two Texas schools use the JUCOs like a JV.  You would think that with that heavy of JUCO laden talent and being mostly upper classmen that they would dominate the two Ohio schools. It would give the appearance of a varsity vs a JV type environment.  Bigger Rosters more transfers and more upper classmen.   So what is the excuse?
Great analysis and research.  +1!  :)

With so many teams on which to play, it makes sense for a player to go to a JUCO, frequently on a scholarship that may only be "books" or "1/4 tuition" amounting to $200 per year.  That player can play, get another 100 games under the belt, and see how much development occurs.

There is another dynamic about JUCO's in that a high school coach, who is "keeping numbers", may push JUCO's a way to boost his totals of the numbers of players who have received scholarships.

As hsusid mentioned, there are 36 JUCO programs in the state.  That is a lot of playing time.  JUCO baseball is a major consideration among the serious baseball players.

Here is a blog entry about JUCO baseball (http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/college/?p=306#more-306) and the prospects of a D-I scholarship.

I also found this page (http://www.njcaa.org/sports.cfm?menu=15&sid=7&cid=6432&divid=1e&gender=m&slid=0) instructive into the stengths of JUCO baseball around the country.  By my count, there are 16 NJCAA Division I JUCO's in Texas (District 5),  one in Division II and 6 (the Dallas County Community College District schools) in NJCAA Division III.
Title: UT Tyler vs. Mississippi
Post by: FBOP on April 18, 2008, 09:23:12 AM
Any thoughts on this ASC division championship match up? 

I believe the Patriots sweep.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 18, 2008, 11:01:04 AM
I agree, but then at this point one almost has to go into every UTT game assuming UTT is going to win. Pretty much any loss would be a surprise for them.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 18, 2008, 01:59:07 PM
UTT has 3 good starters although with Booher being the most consistant. Campbell was good last week but not so good in 2 of his 3 previous starts. He must get his slider over consistantly to be effective. Holland who has been good all year had his worst outing last week giving up 5 runs in 5.2 innings. Ziegler is their man go to guy out of the bullpen and he came in last week and got the win in the game Holland struggled. They have a couple other guys that can throw well but the bullpen is not nearly as strong as it was last year. Still on paper they are deeper than anybody else in the conference. They have blown leads like to McMurry earlier in the season. Although their defense has been for the most part very good it has also had meltdowns allowing some unearned runs. On paper they should be the favorite to win the conference tournament however they have chinks in the armor as I have said. Also Vilade has never won a conference tournament. Now he hasn't had the opportunity to win one since he was with UD but he won the east a couple of times then only to fall short in the confernce tournament. I think he believes he has a stronger overall team than he did with UD but anything can happen in a tournament.  UTT is ok on the road but their W-L road record is just OK not spectacular. I think they drop 1 game to MC but win 2.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 18, 2008, 02:33:04 PM
Ralph,

As a tack on to your post about JUCOs - the DCCD (along with Tyler JC) make up the DIV III JUCOs.  That league has dominated the JUCO III national championship game over the last few years. They play each other and then play DIV I JUCOs inlcuding the best in Texas. Those 6 schools are a real good recruiting ground for the Texas schools in the ASC.  They play a robust fall schedule as well as 50 games or so in the spring not counting the post season. The quality of play is very good. It makes a whole lot more sense for a HS senior to play 2 years of JUCO against some DI level talent than to sit the bench and play a 1/2 dozen JV games a year as a freshman or sophmore. Unless a freshman or sophmore are ready to start they should go to the JUCOs and play. Every year the teams that recruit the most re-load with new JUCO transfers that are fighting for playing time as Juniors and Seniors. That is why in my ealier post I said UTT and McMurry use the JUCOs like a JV - that is where the development is.  That is also why I had posted many times before that I thought the quality of BB in Texas was better generally than in the NE.  The better DIV III schools in Texas operate like a bigger schools do. The key is finding those good JUCO players and convincing them that starting at a UTT or a McMurry is better than sitting the bench at Texas Tech or TCU.  Vilade at UTT also tries to place his incoming juniors and seniors in good summer programs outside of Texas where the players get to compete against D-I players from other parts of the country. (My son played in the CICL - Central Illinois Collegiate League between his junior and senior year). He also will help those that want to play beyond college get placed in an independent minor league program. All of that is designed to convince a boy that playing and starting for UTT is much better than being a part time player at a D-1.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 18, 2008, 02:57:41 PM
Great post TexasBB,

I go back to hsusid's post that the premier northern schools like the NJAC, the LEC, the WIAC and Cortland from the SUNYAC are getting top quality pitching arms that are going to D-I's in Texas (and maybe riding the pine, but not playing at a McMurry or a UT-Tyler.)

McMurry had the freshman pitcher of the year in 2002 or 2003 who then received a scholarship to TCU.  (HIs name escapes me!  ARGHH!)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 18, 2008, 03:19:20 PM
Ralph,

The same thing happened at UTT in 2005 they had Tim Matthews who was 8-2 as a freshman and I believe he was All-Conference new commer of the year in the East. He left and went to Baylor. On the other hand 3 of UTTs current pitchers were JUCO transfers - Campbell, Ziegler and Munchrath. Holland and Booher are HS recruits who have stayed at UTT and by the way are only Juniors so the ASC will be facing them again next year.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 18, 2008, 09:16:38 PM
TLU relenquishes 10-4 lead after 6, loses 15-12 to Hardin Simmons. Playoff field set.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 18, 2008, 09:27:40 PM
Unbelievable, TLU really has had a fall off from the last couple of years. No bullpen. To blow a 6 run lead late in the game is inexcusable.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 18, 2008, 10:34:22 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on April 18, 2008, 09:27:40 PM
Unbelievable, TLU really has had a fall off from the last couple of years. No bullpen. To blow a 6 run lead late in the game is inexcusable.

I think they anticipated a tough year, I don't think they anticipated not making the playoffs. They tried Hull first, but he's been battling injuries and (maybe as a result maybe not) an issue with his command all year. When he didn't work out they went to Conley who'd actually been really good, but the Cowboys roughed him up.

The game went to extras. It didn't help that SS Chris Green made 3 errors at SS (F% under .900 for the season).

They have some really good hitters coming back next year. The way Farr has finished the season, semi-healthy and having a power surge has to be encouraging for one. That said, they really need to go get some arms that can step right in and contribute, and I think you have to find a defensive staple at SS.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 18, 2008, 10:54:01 PM
I see Chapman won big tonight. I took a look at their roster and it is similar to the Ohio Schools.  Mostly HS recruits no big infusion of JUCO transfers. I guess California does not have the same problem as Texas in that good pitching is available from HS to be picked up at the D-III level. Either that or they just to a great job of recruiting.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 19, 2008, 12:47:00 AM
Quote from: TexasBB on April 18, 2008, 10:54:01 PM
I see Chapman won big tonight. I took a look at their roster and it is similar to the Ohio Schools.  Mostly HS recruits no big infusion of JUCO transfers. I guess California does not have the same problem as Texas in that good pitching is available from HS to be picked up at the D-III level. Either that or they just to a great job of recruiting.
Great recruiting... IMHO  :)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 19, 2008, 02:03:51 AM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on April 18, 2008, 10:34:22 PM
It didn't help that SS Chris Green made 3 errors at SS (F% under .900 for the season).


Now I don't feel so bad about Green jumping ship. He went to CTX last year and got hurt after something like 4 games.  :P
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 19, 2008, 06:39:46 AM
SRSU 2, McM 1.

Sully pitcher Cody Kimmerling gave up one unearned run for the complete game victory.  This pitching staff has been trying to come together for Sul Ross all season.

Look at these games...

HSU last weekend ... 7-6, 4-1, 4-3; 3 close losses
HPU three weekends ago ... a 9-8 loss
Schreiner series... a 6-5 loss, an 8-4 win and a 2-1 loss
UMHB ... a 1-0 loss
Mississippi College series in early March ... 5-4, 8-4, 8-5 losses
UT-D a 5-4 win that does not seem as impressive now as it did then.

McM must sweep the DH today!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 19, 2008, 03:59:26 PM
In the first game UTT leads MC 16-4 in the top of the sixth. Holland is pitching for UTT
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 19, 2008, 04:41:23 PM
Final Score of first game UTT 17 Mississippi College 5.  This was a 7 inning game.  Booher pitching for UTT in second game with Russell going for MC.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM0822 on April 19, 2008, 05:14:41 PM
McM goes down 5-3 in extra innings..final. 1st game of DH. Derek gets his 22nd homerun.

scoreless top of the 4th in the second game.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 19, 2008, 05:22:13 PM
Coach Mike Pallanez announced his retirement (http://www.ascsports.org/news/baseball/2008/2/6/ASC_BASE_PALLANEZRETIRES.asp?path=baseball) at the beginning of the season.

The Lobos are playing on emotion for this series.

McMurry leads 1-0 going to the bottom of the fourth.

That loss throws McMurry back into the pack.

If McMurry wins, there is a chance that we have a four-way tie for first.

Dakota Smith is on the mound for McMurry.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 19, 2008, 05:23:38 PM
Quote from: McM0822 on April 19, 2008, 05:14:41 PM
McM goes down 5-3 in extra innings..final. 1st game of DH. Derek gets his 22nd homerun.

scoreless top of the 4th in the second game.
Sully won the first game in the bottom of the 7th with a 2-run walk-off homer.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 19, 2008, 05:37:28 PM
McM -- David gets his 23rd home run, a 360' plus shot over the left center field fence into the teeth of a 15 MPH wind blowing in from center field.

SRSU -- Cepeda counters with a solo shot in the bottom of the fifth, McM 2, SRSU 1.


SRSU -- Batting in the bottom of the sixth, 1 run, 1 hit 1 error and 1 LOB.  Tied at 2.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 19, 2008, 06:18:28 PM
Second game UTT leads MC 5-1 in the middle of the 5th.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 19, 2008, 07:08:38 PM
After 7 it is UTT 6 and MC 2.

Williams is pitching for MC and has done a decent job 3 of the runs scored against him were unearned.

Booher's pitch count was up and they lifted him in the 7th inning with two on and only one out. Ziegler picked off a runner at second and then got the next hitter to pop up. He threw only 3 pitches to get out of the inning.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 19, 2008, 07:12:11 PM
McM-SRSU game is over.  I had trouble with the audio-streaming via surfernetwork.com and bigbendradio.com in the last 3 innings.

I am not sure who won the third game.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 19, 2008, 07:22:24 PM
Zielger strikes out 3 in the 8th giving up one walk. Heading into the 9th. Williams still on the mound for MC facing the 2,3 and 4 hitters for UTT.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 19, 2008, 07:22:39 PM
Depending on the "deal"?  I think so.

David had at least 2 more HR's today.

Voorhees had a shoulder injury last weekend and did not play last night.

I don't know when he comes back.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 19, 2008, 07:37:45 PM
UTT wins the ASC East for the 3rd time in 4 years beating MC 6-2. Booher picks up the win and is now 10-0 and Bo Ziegler gets his 4th save. UTT is 33-6.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 19, 2008, 07:42:21 PM
HSU beat TLU 7-5 in the second game.  I don't have the first game.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 19, 2008, 08:56:55 PM
Preliminary report...

HPU beat UMHB once today.  UMHB finishes 4th and travels to UT-Tyler.


McM beats Sul Ross 6-5.  Tying run was thrown out at the plate in the bottom of the 9th.

McMurry wins the #1 seed by virtue of the records vs CTX and HSU.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 19, 2008, 09:34:33 PM
HSU 8-3 and 7-5 over TLU.

HSU (http://hsuathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/stats/2007-2008/teamcume.html) finishes 14-7, and has the tie-breaker over CTX  (Season series 2 games to 1).  HSU hosts and is the #2 seed.


CTX (http://athletics.concordia.edu/athletics.cfm?page_ID=85) sweeps Schreiner 17-1, 4-1, 4-1.  Clinches tri-championship and is the #3 seed.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 19, 2008, 10:02:17 PM
UOz is 13-5 and has finished its season.

After losing to UT-Tyler twice today, MissCollege is 12-5 and needs to win tomorrow to get the tie for second and the #2 seed.  (MissColl beat UOz 2 games to 1.)

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 19, 2008, 11:37:13 PM
What has happened to UMHB. Two weeks ago they were #1 in the West and were ranked in the top 20 in both polls.  Have there been any injuries?  Any thoughts from those that follow the West as to their collapse? They went form 1 all the way to 4 in the West in 2 weekends.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 19, 2008, 11:45:24 PM
UT-Tyler (http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/statistics/2007-2008/baseball/teamstat.htm) seems to be the favorite, especially with the way that McMurry had to back into the #1 seed (only able to take 1 of three in a very close series versus SRSU, see later), and the way that UMHB lost their momentum at the end of the season, losing 4 of 6.

On the other hand, maybe what we have in the West is incredible balance.

In West Division play, SRSU had 8 losses by three runs or less.  If SRSU wins all 8 games, in that lucky season when every bounce falls right, they are 11-10 and in the playoffs.

I checked UT-Tyler's record in the regular season versus the three West Region tri-champs, and they are 3-3.

This tourney may be closer than we can imagine.

We need a Cru fan to jump in here.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fungoman on April 19, 2008, 11:48:27 PM
Congrats to the UT Tyler kids for playing good baseball today and winning yet anything East Division championship.

I looked at UMHB website Ralph and saw this...

"The Cru exploded for an eight-run first inning and a six-run fifth inning in game two. UMHB was cruising when the umpires suspended the game after six innings due to darkness with the Cru leading 18-5."

They won game won it appears 16-5.

So what in the world does that do to the west division standings assuming they pull out game two and win game three?

Does anyone want to win the west? Sounds like the west might be full of mediocre teams...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 20, 2008, 12:06:51 AM
UTT is hitting extemely well over the last several games and their pitching continues to be very good. Ziegler has stepped up to fill the closer role as he really performed well in two crucial games. Last week against LC they had just tied the score and Holland was struggling. Ziegler came in and he shut down LC which gave UTT the opportunity to win in the bottom of the 7th which they did with a walk off home run.th. Today it was Boohers turn to struggle. Although UTT was ahead 6-2 going into the 7th Booher allowed the first two to get on base with the 3,4 and 5 hitter for MC due up. Booher was struggling with the strikezone and his pitch count was already 112. Ziegler came in and retired the side on 3 pitches!! He picked the runner off second with a great spin move and then after throwing one ball got MC 3 and 4 hitters both to pop up in the infield. Then he came back and struck out 5 of the next 6 outs only walking 1 and allowing 1 hit.  In the two games today UTT pounded out 30 hits. The second game they got 13 hits but only scored 6 runs as Wiliams did a good job of getiing out of jams. They have now won 12 straight. I think they are on a roll and will be tough to beat.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 20, 2008, 12:30:27 AM
Quote from: fungoman on April 19, 2008, 11:48:27 PM
Congrats to the UT Tyler kids for playing good baseball today and winning yet anything East Division championship.

I looked at UMHB website Ralph and saw this...

"The Cru exploded for an eight-run first inning and a six-run fifth inning in game two. UMHB was cruising when the umpires suspended the game after six innings due to darkness with the Cru leading 18-5."

They won game won it appears 16-5.

So what in the world does that do to the west division standings assuming they pull out game two and win game three?

Does anyone want to win the west? Sounds like the west might be full of mediocre teams...
Fungoman, my sources said that UMHB lost today. +1!

The HPU web site shows the 16-5 UMHB victory in the 7-inning game that started at 1pm.  The ASC usually plays 7/9 DH's on Saturday.  We don't have the second game results.

Let's check that out.  Thanks!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fungoman on April 20, 2008, 12:37:07 AM
Are we still going to play UMHB even if they all tie for first Ralph? I am new to a 4 team tiebreaker! What a mess that would be...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 20, 2008, 12:56:10 AM
Quote from: fungoman on April 20, 2008, 12:37:07 AM
Are we still going to play UMHB even if they all tie for first Ralph? I am new to a 4 team tiebreaker! What a mess that would be...
If UMHB wins the second game (http://www.umhb.edu/athletics/news/8234) in the DH and wins the HPU game tomorrow, the ASC tie-breaker (http://www.ascsports.org/Sports/ASC/2007/ASCTIEBREAK.asp?tab=asc) in a multi-team tie is the record of the four teams against each other.

Quote9.1.2    Multiple Ties: In the event of a tie with three or more teams, the seed positions are determined by (for all sports except football and tennis):

             a. The team with the most games/matches won against other tied teams collectively will be awarded the highest seeded position. The remaining teams are placed at the beginning of the appropriate formula for "Multiple Ties" or "Two-Way Ties" until all ties have been broken.

             b. If one team does not have a winning record (more games/matches won) against the other tied teams collectively, the individual records against the other Conference opponents in descending order starting with the top-seeded team are compared. When one team is awarded the higher seeded position by this method, the remaining teams are placed at the beginning of the appropriate formula for "Multiple Ties" or "Two-Way Ties" until all ties have been broken.

Team   Victories                                    Record

McM --  HSU HSU UMHB CTX CTX          5-4

UMHB-- HSU HSU McM McM                   4-5

CTX --  HSU McM UMHB UMHB UMHB     5-4

HSU -- McM  UMHB CTX CTX                 4-5

McMurry is the #1 seed.  McM and CTX make the first cut and then McM wins the next tie-breaker by beating CTX 2 games to one.

QuoteMcMurry, however, took the No. 1 seed after the tiebreaker policy states that the best overall record against the tying teams gets the nod. McMurry took two of three from Hardin-Simmons and Concordia and one of three from Mary Hardin-Baylor. With a 5-4 record against the other three teams, McMurry got the top seed because UMHB lost all three to Concordia, and took two from McMurry and two from HSU to give the Crusaders a 4-5 record against the other tied opponents.-- Kyle Robarts McM SID

CTX is the #2 seed.

UMHB is the #3 seed by virtue of winning the season series with HSU, if UMHB sweeps the HPU series and there is a 4-way tie.


Edited Apr 20th.  Sorry that I missed it yesterday.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 20, 2008, 01:01:17 AM
Quote from: fungoman on April 20, 2008, 12:37:07 AM
Are we still going to play UMHB even if they all tie for first Ralph? I am new to a 4 team tiebreaker! What a mess that would be...
I think that UMHB must play the game because they need the 14th win to attain the four-way tie.  :)



A knowledgeable source has confirmed the UMHB situation via an email to me!

QuoteRalph,
Your preliminary reports are wrong. UMHB won game one against Howard Payne
16-5 and leads game two 18-5. Game two was suspended due to darkness and will be completed Sunday prior to regularly scheduled game. If UMHB wins both there is a four-way tie for first. McMurry would be #1 seed, CTX would be #2 seed, UMHB would be #3 seed and HSU would be #4. If UMHB loses one tomorrow, there is a three-way tie for first. McMurry would be #1 seed, HSU would be #2, CTX would be #3 and UMHB would be #4. Thanks!

Thanks, friends!

UMHB may be getting out the mini-slump that they had versus an inspired CTX team.  Remember CTX had a walk-off Homer in the bottom of the 9th versus McMurry in the weekend before the UMHB series.

Corrections are always appreciated!  :)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 20, 2008, 04:08:37 PM
MC up 4-0 in the 4th. Looks like a let down after winning the east yesterday. MC needs this win to get home field next week. Campbell once again is not effective. This could be a big problem for UTT in the conference tournament. If Campbell is not effeective they will have slug their way out of it. There is a fall off in the staff after the first three and Ziegler cannot be used in long relief and as a closer.  The confernce tournament will be all about match pitching match ups. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 20, 2008, 04:20:00 PM
Update from Brownwood, UMHB 0  HPU 0, in the bottom of the 2nd.


No score, top of the 4th.


No score, top of the 5th.  The cyber-rooting that you hear is coming from the Cowboys and the Tornados on the East and the Choctaws and the Eagles on the East.  ;)


UMHB leads 3-0 going to the bottom of the fifth.


UMHB, 4-0 going to the bottom of the 6th.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 20, 2008, 05:17:21 PM
End of 7 with MC 6 and UTT 3. Fellows still on the mound for MC - Wolfe in relief of Cambell who went 5 and gave up 6 hits 5 runs with 4 earned. He struck out 3 and walked 1 but was not in command of the strike zone. Too many pitches, falling behind in the count allowing the hitters to hit their pitch.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 20, 2008, 05:23:06 PM
Russel not Fellows on the mound for MC and he has worked 8 full innings and is on a roll. He was a little shakey in the middle innings but has worked his way through it.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 20, 2008, 05:46:16 PM
MC wins 6-3. Russell worked 8 and 1/3 before being lifted and did a great job. I don't understand since he is their most effective pitcher they did not use him yesterday. But they won and get home field advantage since they took 2 out of 3 from Ozarks last week.  So the East is final UTT, MC, Ozarks and LC.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 20, 2008, 06:05:54 PM
UMHB 4-0 top of the 8th.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 20, 2008, 06:34:13 PM
Quote from: D35W on April 20, 2008, 06:10:24 PM
Quote from: fungoman on April 19, 2008, 11:48:27 PM
Congrats to the UT Tyler kids for playing good baseball today and winning yet anything East Division championship.

I looked at UMHB website Ralph and saw this...

"The Cru exploded for an eight-run first inning and a six-run fifth inning in game two. UMHB was cruising when the umpires suspended the game after six innings due to darkness with the Cru leading 18-5."

They won game won it appears 16-5.

So what in the world does that do to the west division standings assuming they pull out game two and win game three?

Does anyone want to win the west? Sounds like the west might be full of mediocre teams...

fungoman, why are you so bitter?  Your son not getting the hype everybody else is? 

Ralph thanks for the updates you do a great job.
I have lots of help from great ASC baseball fans...   :)

UMHB 9-0, top of the 9th.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 20, 2008, 06:55:12 PM
Final UMHB 9 HPU 1.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on April 20, 2008, 09:52:14 PM
Quote from: fungoman on April 19, 2008, 11:48:27 PM

Does anyone want to win the west? Sounds like the west might be full of mediocre teams...

You could see it that way or it could be that the teams in the west are more balanced...the west going into the last weekend had 7 of the 8 teams who could mathmatically get into the playoffs...the east on the other hand will have a 9-9 record or a losing one what does that tell you...that the east is just dominated by 3 teams not that the west is full of mediocre teams just that they are all around the same talent level...also the west has historicaly dominated the tournament and every year it is a dog fight for the seedings.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on April 21, 2008, 01:07:52 AM
Fungo man did you tie your sons shoe laces and feed him orangeslices after this weekends series. Get him geared up for the tourny, he is def going to need it old man.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on April 21, 2008, 01:16:15 AM
ASC east = NBA east
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fungoman on April 21, 2008, 08:48:41 AM
I think it is funny how you guys would single out a student athlete on here to try and piss me off, whether he is my son or not. Grow up.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 21, 2008, 11:41:44 AM
Blackcat00, would you mind acting your age? When you say stuff like that it just makes you look immature and stupid.

Anyway, on topic.....what a draw for CTX. It's not often you earn the second seed in the West and get to face a 30-win team in the first round.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on April 21, 2008, 12:13:47 PM
Oh ok Cua fan  didnt know you where the site moderator, why dont you do some more formulas fo us and not get caught up in my responses, I have an opinion and can state that. I am grown up my fried, seems like you need to grow some balls, if anythings needs to be grown.

Lets get this tourny rolling, what a show down in the West. 4 Great teams, it could go eather way, just like these NBA playoffs.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fungoman on April 21, 2008, 12:46:36 PM
do I need to remind you of the beating you guys took from the patriots on your own home field this season? Let's see who is still standing after this weekend.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on April 21, 2008, 01:06:20 PM
Beating? havnt we gone over this. I was really expecting more out of UTT that weekend with all the hype coming into the weekend. From what I had heard they were suppose to dominate , then show their 40-0 not to get in Rings. From what I saw was def not a top 10 team in the nation.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 21, 2008, 02:17:39 PM
Some interesting match ups for 1st round of the Conference Tournament.

I expect McMurry and UTT to win against LC and HSU but the other two series will be competitive. Strange but I am projecting the visitors to win both thus I am going with Ozarks over CTX and UMHB over MC.  I think in both cases it will take 3 games.  My rationalle with Ozaks is the have superior pitching depth.  The Mississppi College team could very well win against UMHB. Certainly Russell has proved to be one of the better pitchers in the confernce and Williams did a pretty good job in the last series agains UTT. Mississippi also on paper at least has one of the best defenses in the confernece. However at the end of the day I think UMHB will prevail  and play up to its potential. I am a bit concerned though as UMHB has played below expectations in its last two series and Mississippi has played to a combined 3-3 draw in its battles agaist UTT and Ozarks the last two weeks. 

McMurry should not have any problem with LC even without Voorhees in the line up. Their big question is will he be back and 100% the following week. If not then David will be pitched around and will not get the opportunity to hit with runners on base. They need both bats in the lineup to have a decent chance.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: All-AmericanFan on April 21, 2008, 07:53:36 PM
I keep reading that the West is stronger, but is that truly the case? I played in the West once upon a time, would argue then that that statement is true, but is it now? In the cross over series, EARLY IN THE SEASON, 7 series were won by EAST teams and seven won by the WEST. I do not believe the argument that the West has struggled down the stretch do to more balance.... Did UTT not just take down MC two games two one in the season finale? MCM was down in Alpine and lost the series to a team who had one win in all of conference...

About MCM, I did read their write up about the ASC playoffs and it says Voorhees played (says he went hitless but hit three balls hard, box score says one hit one rbi??). It says Yurchick is questionable; I saw MCM in two series this year (HSU and UMHB), Yurchick made a night and day difference defensibly for MCM when he played second base in the latter series. His offensive numbers speak for himself, he hit the heck out of the ball against UMHB.

About UTT, they continue to win each and every series. The closest thing to a losing series was going 1 and 2 in their spring break tournament when they lost to MCM and HSU while beating Marietta.

About MC, they seemed to have peeked at the right time winning 9 of their last 12 conference games. Will their momentum be slowed however since UTT beat them 2 of 3 to take the EAST crown on their own field this past weekend?

About HSU, this team is HOT, they have won 12 games in a row, sweeping HPU and TLU to insert themselves into the playoffs. They have also won 11 of their last 12 conference games, meaning they started a dismal 3 and 6 and have since learned the winning ways. They do have a great one-two punch in Barton and Alcorn down in that 'pen.

LC, what happened to them? I have not seen them play this year, but they have fallen apart down the stretch. Any info on them?

About OU, I would like to say that their pitching will be put to the test in that cracker jack ballpark in Austin. But then I remember their park may play smaller? This will be an interesting series with CTX playing real well offensively and on the bump. I look forward to the weekend!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 21, 2008, 08:39:14 PM
In comparing the East versus the West, I reviewed the crossover series that All-American Fan referenced.

In late February, the East and West played 14 crossover series.

The East won 7 series, the West 7.  The East won 21 games, the West 21.

But the thing that I think distinguishes those series are that the lower team in the end-of-season divisional standings beat the higher team in the end-of-season division standings three times.

#3 HSU defeated #2 Mississippi College 3 games to none.

#6 HPU defeated #4 La College 2 games to one.

#5 Texas Lutheran defeated #4 LaCollege 2 games to one.

I think that the West had four very good teams to the East's three.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 21, 2008, 11:26:42 PM
I would agree that the West had 4 good teams to the East 3. But the East had 2 teams with 30 or more wins. Those two teams have 3 good starters and that sets them apart. The third team in the East MC is a much better team today than it was in mid March. Those 3 are just as good as the 4 in the west and UTT has to be considered the one with an edge given that they have more balance on offense and pitching than any other team. All of the rest have major weaknesses. UTTs weakness is a possible lack of depth in the bullpen but they have arms. When they lost in Abeline earlier in the year those secondary pitchers were beat up. In theory (assuming they get past HSU this weekend), they could win the conference tournament in three games just using their 3 starters and Ziegler as a closer without having to test the rest of their bullpen. That assumes that all three starters pitch well.  I would expect them to use in this order Booher the first game (you must win that first game) followed by Holland then Cambell. If they win the first two behind their two most reliable starters then Cambell will likely be up against a number 4 guy. Cambell although he has been shaky in comparison with the other two would still be the the number 1 on alot of teams.   UTT also leads the conference in overall fielding defense and in overall offense - thus my comment on being balanced. They do not have anyone like David or even close to it but they have alot of extra base hits as a team and surprising number of home runs. Aslo Vilade has never won a confernce championship so  he will has his team fired up.  At this stage no team in the West stands out like TL did the last couple of years. This yere they are all about the same. I give McMurry the edge since they will be playing on their home field and do have the most dangerous power hitting team.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on April 22, 2008, 12:14:22 AM
You hit on the head with that comment D! Wow I remember those parents in Seguin.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fungoman on April 22, 2008, 12:47:31 AM
 I believe trash talk is an element of the game, and so are rowdy fans. It often times provides comic relief. Most fans, and parents for that matter, do not have enough of a clue to even know what they are talking about, which is why it often times provides the before mentioned comic relief. I think I would put you in that category too, Mr. White. Right there with them. The immature adults who have no clue what they are talking about. It is one thing to stoop to a level at an athletic event when an immature idiot adult is caught in the heat of the moment in athletic competition, but it is another to sit here and think up and type out a post singling out a student athlete on a message board. The rumors about you are true, you are a meathead.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on April 22, 2008, 02:15:41 AM
Not to get into your little argument but this is turning pretty bad.  I think you guys should just agree to disagree and stop with all the name calling and get back to baseball.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 22, 2008, 02:53:48 AM
I went thru the UOz schedule to find the games that resemble a best 2 of three format.  Here are the losses.  Millsaps beat Rhodes in the Crossover round of the SCAC tourney.

Millsaps 6-5

Millsaps College       IP  H  R ER BB SO AB BF
-----------------------------------------------
Travis Bogue........  6.0  5  2  1  2  2 19 24

Univ. of the Ozarks    IP  H  R ER BB SO AB BF
-----------------------------------------------
Todd Koch...........  5.0  3  3  3  3  6 18 21


UMHB 18, UOz 16

Univ. of the Ozarks    IP  H  R ER BB SO AB BF
-----------------------------------------------
Robby Finnell.......  3.0  5  5  4  0  0 12 16

Mary Hardin-Baylor     IP  H  R ER BB SO AB BF
-----------------------------------------------
Montoya.............  1.1  3  6  3  5  0  6 11
Welch...............  3.1  2  6  4  5  2 12 19



UT-Dallas 7-2

Univ. of the Ozarks    IP  H  R ER BB SO AB BF
-----------------------------------------------
Todd Koch...........  4.0 10  7  6  0  4 21 23

Texas-Dallas           IP  H  R ER BB SO AB BF
-----------------------------------------------
Cox.................  9.0  7  2  2  0  8 34 35



UT-Tyler 2-1  (7 inn)


Ozarks (Ark.)          IP  H  R ER BB SO AB BF
-----------------------------------------------
Curt Dixon..........  6.0  5  2  2  5  4 20 26

Texas-Tyler            IP  H  R ER BB SO AB BF
-----------------------------------------------
B. Holland..........  7.0  6  1  1  2  7 25 28


UT-Tyler 7-6

Ozarks (Ark.)          IP  H  R ER BB SO AB BF
-----------------------------------------------
Bruce Cameron.......  6.0  6  3  1  0  2 25 26
Kyle Hudson.........  1.0  3  2  2  0  0  6  6
John Scheuring......  1.0  1  2  0  0  2  6  6


Texas-Tyler            IP  H  R ER BB SO AB BF
-----------------------------------------------
B. Booher...........  6.2  5  3  2  4  9 25 31
C. Munchrath........  0.0  1  1  1  1  0  1  2
L. Wolfe............  0.0  0  0  0  0  0  0  2
J. Long.............  0.1  0  1  1  1  0  1  2
B. Ziegler..........  2.0  1  1  1  0  5  7  7



Miss College 11-8

Mississippi College    IP  H  R ER BB SO AB BF
-----------------------------------------------
Tyler Williams......  5.2 14  8  8  2  3 26 31
Brett Hinson........  1.2  0  0  0  2  2  5  7
Josh Denson.........  1.2  0  0  0  1  0  4  5

Univ. of the Ozarks    IP  H  R ER BB SO AB BF
-----------------------------------------------
Todd Koch...........  5.1  7  5  4  3  6 22 26
Robby Finnell.......  2.1  6  6  6  0  2 13 13
Brett Wood..........  1.1  1  0  0  0  1  6  6



Miss College 14-12

Mississippi College    IP  H  R ER BB SO AB BF
-----------------------------------------------
Jonathan Russell....  6.0 10  6  0  1  3 30 33
Nathan Stewart......  2.0  5  3  1  1  1 11 12
Matt Jordan.........  0.0  0  2  2  2  0  0  2
Josh Denson.........  1.0  2  1  1  0  1  5  6

Univ. of the Ozarks    IP  H  R ER BB SO AB BF
-----------------------------------------------
Bruce Cameron.......  2.2  7  6  6  2  0 15 17
DJ Braswell.........  1.1  2  3  3  3  3  6  9
Brett Wood..........  0.0  0  1  1  1  0  0  1
John Scheuring......  2.2  3  4  4  2  3 10 13
Bill Smith..........  2.1  1  0  0  0  3  9  9



Dixon and Koch stared 10 games; Cameron 7, Braswell 6. UOzarks 2008 Stats (http://eagles.ozarks.edu/baseball/stats/2007-2008/teamstat.htm)

UOz goes 30-9 on the year, but the games that I wonder about are the 2 games versus Ecclesia, the game versus Williams Baptist and the 2 versus Central Baptist.  (I don't see games that suspect on the McMurry, HSU, or CTX schedule.)

I think that the UOz staff is good, but I will not be surprised if CTX (the #2 ASC-West host) wins the series.  I question the 30-9 as being more inflated  by weaker teams on the ASC-East and those five games versus weaker smaller schools.  (Lyon College (24-18/9-11)  is NAIA-1 in the Trans South AC.

The CTX-UOz series should be a great one!   :)

(Mark Cox is on my all-ASC team.)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 22, 2008, 03:15:32 AM
Quote from: All-AmericanFan on April 21, 2008, 07:53:36 PM
... MCM was down in Alpine and lost the series to a team who had one win in all of conference...

About MCM, I did read their write up about the ASC playoffs and it says Voorhees played (says he went hitless but hit three balls hard, box score says one hit one rbi??). It says Yurchick is questionable; I saw MCM in two series this year (HSU and UMHB), Yurchick made a night and day difference defensibly for MCM when he played second base in the latter series. His offensive numbers speak for himself, he hit the heck out of the ball against UMHB.

About UTT, they continue to win each and every series. The closest thing to a losing series was going 1 and 2 in their spring break tournament when they lost to MCM and HSU while beating Marietta.

...
I want to give some props to SRSU.  This season, they lost 9 ASC-West games by three runs or less.  SRSU was 3-18 on the season; They could have done much better with one of those incredible strings of luck that we have all seen in baseball, like the 2007 Rockies.

The McMurry series was the final series by SRSU Coach Pallanez who announced his retirement at the beginning of the season.  There were ceremonies for him between the games in the DH.  That was an emotion-charged Lobo team that played McMurry for their beloved coach.

TexasBB brought up the fact that Voorhees has been protecting David all season.  If pitchers can pitch around David, then the McMurry 1-2 punch is not there.  I don't know when Voorhees will be back to anything close to his normal before the collision at CTX in the 3rd HPU game*.


*Edited: Apr 22, 2008
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 22, 2008, 12:11:23 PM
Amen, Mr. Parkman!!!!


It would appear that the conference SID has changed how the stats appear when you look at them on the ASC website. Unfortunately, the change takes away some of the information I need to do my statistics. I would just go through the individual school pages, but I know that at least one (CTX) has had issues with that so unless something changes I probably will not have any stats to post for the ASC or the West region this week.

Oh well, stuff happens.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on April 22, 2008, 01:02:28 PM
Come on guys, easy on the Mr. Parkman business....I'm not that old.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on April 22, 2008, 07:45:18 PM
Go meat! Do I feel a little jelousy for what mr WHite put up in the conference?

Should be great weather this weekend in AUstin for this series.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 22, 2008, 11:53:33 PM
Since this is a spring sport, and the golf championship is in the spring, here it is.
McMurry Women's Golf Team (http://athletics.mcm.edu/sports/wgolf/wgolf_asc.PDF) wins the ASC Pool A bid!

Because there are 7 schools playing women's golf, the ASC earns an automatic bid to the National tourney.

McMurry has the Pool A.

Here (http://www.golfstat.com/2007-2008/women/wncaahth.htm#DivIII) are the women's current Golfstat rankings thru April 16.

UMHB (http://www.ascsports.org/Pdfs/mgolf/2008/4/22/RD3COMBO.PDF) won the Pool A for the men.

UT-Tyler (http://www.golfstat.com/2007-2008/men/mncaahth.htm#DivIII) has a good chance at a Pool C bid.   There are 25 Pool a bids, 8 Pool b bids and 2 Pool C bids.  UT-Tyler is in good shape to get a Pool C bid, if there are no "upsets", like we have in basketball or football.  The current Golfstat rankings as of April 16 are with my current projections as for bids, if things go without upsets:

  1 Methodist University  264-  0    73.57   78.03    15- 0   406     6  USA South Pool A
  2 Redlands, Univ. of    262-  2    75.83   83.02     4- 1   485     2  SCIAC Pool A
  3 Oglethorpe Univ.      260-  4    74.89   78.58    17- 2   390     2 SCAC Pool A
  4 Huntingdon College    260-  4    75.00   79.06    16- 3   404     2  Pool B
  5 Texas, U. @ Tyler     258-  6    76.27   81.44     9- 3   594     4   ASC Pool C
  6 St. John's Univ.(MN)  257-  7    75.15   80.73     6- 4   541     2  MIAC Pool A
  7 CSU-East Bay          256-  8    75.27   82.04     0- 3   407     6  Pool B
  8 Wisconsin-Eau Claire  255-  9    75.16   79.95     5- 5   536     2 Pool B
  9 La Verne, Univ. of    254- 10    75.07   79.20     5- 8   477     5  SCIAC Pool C
10 Rhodes College        253- 11    76.01   80.48    10- 9   398     0 SCAC Pool C
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fungoman on April 23, 2008, 11:34:11 AM
No one cares about what you guys did 6 years anymore.

Weather might play a factor in the UT Tyler series with moderate chances of rain each day. I hope the rain holds off, because I only have my hotel room for one night.

Ralph, what happens if the games do not get played? Do they have until Monday?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 23, 2008, 12:41:24 PM
Fungoman, I don't know.

I need some other veteran observers to jump in here.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on April 23, 2008, 01:36:10 PM
Quote from: fungoman on April 23, 2008, 11:34:11 AM
No one cares about what you guys did 6 years anymore.

Weather might play a factor in the UT Tyler series with moderate chances of rain each day. I hope the rain holds off, because I only have my hotel room for one night.

Ralph, what happens if the games do not get played? Do they have until Monday?

I believe that the rule in the ASC is that all games must be finished by Monday...Last years conference tourney was pushed back due to weather...I know that they almost had to change up the whole tournament in order to fit it in...but I would imagine that since next week is the ASC tourney and not a NCAA tourney they would be able to do what they have to do in order to finish the series.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: strosfan1 on April 24, 2008, 01:49:00 AM
At the same time you can compare all the season matchups you want with LA college.  I mean look at the NBA playoffs with San Antonio and Phoenix, Phoenix dominated in the regular season and look at it know.  Paul Lo Duca said it best before the NLCA vs. the Cardinals, "you can say what you want about the regular season.  But thats all out the window now."  MARK MY WORD... Upsets are going to happen this weekend and do not be surprised if its in 2 or 3 of the series'
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 24, 2008, 10:17:45 AM
I figure the series winners will be Texas-Tyler, McMurry, Ozarks (they are a 30-win team and CTX has pitching issues), and UMHB (I'm just not that high on MC). The last two of those would be upsets in the sense that a lower seed would defeat a higher one. I don't know that you can call it an upset if Ozarks wins though.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: All-AmericanFan on April 24, 2008, 01:14:40 PM
getting back to the rain out possibility, I am about 60-70% sure (meaning not that sure) that I have heard the higher seed takes the series if the weekend is rained out, no make-ups during the week, just the higher seed gets the nod. I would guess this would not apply, however, it the lower seed wins game 1 and games two & three were rained out...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fungoman on April 24, 2008, 05:57:58 PM
that's what I have heard as well. Thanks for the information!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on April 24, 2008, 09:01:50 PM
Yes Ozarks is a 30 game winner, I wouldnt really go off of that with their preseason schedule and playing shriener in a cross over. Now CTX with quality wins over HBU and Weslayen that on paper would have me consider CTX, but that my opinion. THis is why Gardner schedules quality opponents in D1 and NAIA schools. CTX also is on a streak and the pitching is fine and not to many issues ive seen the last two weeks.  I say they take 2 of 3.
McMurry also takes the other side, could be a football score.

THere is a chance of rain tommorw night here in Austin.
Title: RE: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fungoman on April 25, 2008, 10:52:39 AM
My predictions for the weekend:

McMurry over LA College in 2. LA College is obviously the weakest team in this tournament. Their only shot will be if McMurry is missing their big guns all weekend again.

Ozarks over CTX in 2- I have seen both teams play this year. Ozarks by far has the better pitching. I believe the lineups are fairly equal, so the nod goes to Ozarks because of pitching.

UMHB over MC in 3 - I have not seen UMHB play, but they have played really good baseball if you take away their weekend vs CTX. It will be interesting to see how UMHB's hitting does against a fairly solid staff at MC.

Last but not least,
UT Tyler over HSU in 2 - Sorry Hardin Simmons, but you are just overmatched this weekend. I think you will be lucky to be in one of the two games.


Good luck to everyone this weekeend, I hope the weather holds!
Title: Re: RE: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 25, 2008, 10:59:59 AM
Quote from: fungoman on April 25, 2008, 10:52:39 AM
Ozarks over CTX in 2- I have seen both teams play this year. Ozarks by far has the better pitching. I believe the lineups are fairly equal, so the nod goes to Ozarks because of pitching.

I tend to agree, but I think that if CTX starts Whiteley tonight they greatly increase their chance to win the series (or at least one game). He's the best pitcher on the staff, and there's no good reason to hold him until game 3. I do think the series will go the distance though, regardless.

Other than that, I agree with your other picks, fungoman.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 25, 2008, 05:38:20 PM
LC 7, McM 6.  Live stats (http://livestats.internetconsult.com/mcmurry/baseball/)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 25, 2008, 09:24:33 PM
UTT 9 HSU 3 - UTT batting in the bottom of the 6th. Booher pitching for UTT who have 12 hits against HSU pitching. HSU has also made 3 costly errors. Booher has only given up 4 hits and there have been no errors by the UTT defense.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 25, 2008, 09:39:40 PM
Ozarks leading CTX 4-0 in the 7th. So far looks like an east sweep if this continues. UTT is up 10-3 after 6.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 25, 2008, 09:53:26 PM
Mississipi College defeated UMHB do not know the final score yet. Ozarks now up 5-0 in the 8th.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 25, 2008, 10:06:29 PM
UTT up 11-4 over HSU going into the bottom of the 8th. Vilade let Booher pitch the 8th but is pitch count is up to around 125. He did retire the side in order and struck out the last batter for his 8th K. Dixon the ASC leading hitter going into the game is 0-4 with 2 Ks.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 25, 2008, 10:15:44 PM
Ozarks leading 5-1 against CTX and batting in the top of the 9th.  If this continues tomorrow - a sweep by the east then the tournament would move to Irwin Field at UTT next week.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 25, 2008, 10:22:56 PM
Patriots up 13-4 going into the 9th. The Patriots offense has 20 hits against 5 different Cowboy pitchers. It could be worse UTT has left 15 base runners stranded. Cody Evans is pitching in relief of Blake Booher for the 9th. He as an ERA of 1.50 in limited work this year.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 25, 2008, 10:40:46 PM
UTT wins 13-5 Booher get his 11th victory. Update on Ozarks and CTX. CTX batting in the bottom of the 9th with Ozarks up 5-2. CTS has two runners on with 1 out and a Ozarks have made a pithching change.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 25, 2008, 10:43:58 PM
Ozarks win 5-2. A clean sweep for the East.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on April 25, 2008, 11:14:23 PM
Mississippi College won 7-3 scoring four runs in the bottom of the 8th after UMHB tied it in the top of the 8th with a run. Nathan Stewart made his second ASC start of the season for MC and went eight innings, allowed three earned runs on seven hits and struck out nine.

Garza struck out ten in 7 1/3 innings and allowed seven runs on six hits.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 26, 2008, 02:36:45 PM
LC-McM underway.  McMurry starting pitcher, Cody Curry, faces 8 batters, retires none.  Five hits and four errors later, LC leads 6-0.  Toombs retires the side in relief.

Big deep hole for McM..... :(


McMurry scores 4 in the top of the second.  Pitcher gets Voorhees out, 1-3, with runners on 2nd and 3rd. Score LC 6, McM 4.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 26, 2008, 03:40:12 PM
UTT leads HSU 5-2 going into the 6th. Holland on the mound for UTT which has 11 hits but is leaving runners stranded.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 26, 2008, 04:08:34 PM
McM's Stephen Yurchick gets a solo HR to jump start his teammates.  McM scores five runs, to go ahead 10-8.  Headed to the bottom of the 6th.

A shout out to the injured Westin Franco who gets a clutch pinch hit RBI single to tie the game at 8 in that rally.

McM gets out of the 6th with a DP.  No runs, one hit, no one LOB. End of 6, McM 10, LC 8.

CTX leads 5-3 in the 7th.

Miss College leads in the 6th with a rain delay.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 26, 2008, 04:23:28 PM
UTT and HSU still 5-2 in the 8th. Holland still pitching for UTT, Alcorn now on for HSU.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 26, 2008, 04:29:56 PM
LC scores one in the bottom of the 7th.  McM 10-9.

Voorhees leads off in the top of the 8th versus LC's Robeau.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 26, 2008, 04:33:30 PM
Dixon hits a solo HR in the bottom of the 8th. Pimpton followed with a double but was stranded. UTT 5 and  HSU 3 heading into the 9th. Holland has 15 Ks.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 26, 2008, 04:43:04 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 26, 2008, 04:29:56 PM
LC scores one in the bottom of the 7th.  McM 10-9.

Voorhees leads off in the top of the 8th versus LC's Robeau.


LC's LF Chris Magee lays out and steals a line drive off the bat of Lance Jones.  That is the third out, and leaves a McMurry runner stranded on 3B.  McM 10-9 going to the bottom of the 8th.


Bottom of the 8th, 0 runs, 1 hit, 1 LOB.  McM 10-9.

In the top of the 9th for McM, #9 man Love then lead-off Yurchick and Whitten.

Final in Austin, CTX 7, UOz 3.  UTT 5, HSU 3.
Miss College leads in the 8th 3-0.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 26, 2008, 04:49:39 PM
UTT wins 5-3. Ziegler pitched the 9th stricking out 2 and allowing no baserunners. Ziegler and Holland combined for 17 Ks.  UTT is the first team to clinch a spot for next weekend.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 26, 2008, 04:59:53 PM
Stephen Derrick hits a 3-run HR off reliever Mayeux.  All of this started with two outs.  McM 13-9.  LC batting in the bottom of the ninth.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 26, 2008, 05:01:16 PM
MC leads UMHB 4-0 in the 8th. Russell is pitching for MC and thus far has allowed only 2 hits
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 26, 2008, 05:03:12 PM
MC takes a 6-0 lead into the 9th as they score 2 more insurance runs.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 26, 2008, 05:08:43 PM
McM's Arnold Toombs pitches 9 complete innings in relief to get the win.

Final 13-9.

Game three in 30 minutes.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 26, 2008, 05:09:59 PM
CTX beat Ozarks 7-3 so they will be heading into a game 3 in Austin.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 26, 2008, 06:32:35 PM
In the bottom of the 3rd inning, McMurry has batted around, hit for the cycle, advanced a runner by sacrifice bunt and seen a balk by the opposing pitcher.  McMurry goes up 5-0.  5 runs on 4 hits with 3 BB's;  2 LOB; 1 guy batted twice in the inning.


Derek David hits a 2-run HR in the bottom of 4th, McM 7-0.

David's 24th HR is the third best seasonal total in D-III history.  His 67th and 68th RBI give him the season record, eclipsing UT-Tyler's Brett Amyx' 66 in 2007.


McMurry leads 8-0 going to the 8th.  Dakota Smith has faced the minimum in a 2 hitter.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 26, 2008, 07:13:38 PM
Mississippi College has turned into the big surprise sweeping UMHB and winning 10-1. They have been getting progressively better the last half of the season and really have played well the last 3 weeks. I think they are a force that will have to be reconned with next weekend.  CTX and Ozarks are in a slugfest in the second game 10-7 in the 5th and CTX has the bases loaded. The Ozarks pitching has not showed up today. They had a simular meltdown in the series against MC. They do not have the bats to slug it out.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 26, 2008, 07:22:49 PM
Ralph, David's accomplishments are huge but in all fairness it does have to be pointed out that Amyx's 66 RBI's were in 38 games. As you know UTT being a provisional member did not get to compete in the conference tournament last year.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 26, 2008, 07:49:04 PM
You are correct about Amyx.

Derek Davis just pounded another two run home to give him 70 RBI/25 HR's/ in 43 games this season.  (He has at least 74 runs scored in the 42 games for which I have stats.)

McMurry wins 10-0, with one out in the 8th on the 10-run rule.  Dakota Smith has his best game at McMurry.  Great pitch control, only 4 singles.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 26, 2008, 08:11:06 PM
Robert Mummy just homered for Ozarks in the top of the 8th cutting the lead of CTX to 10-8.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm505 on April 26, 2008, 08:12:30 PM
So McM plays MC on May 2nd at McM?  Is that all correct Ralph?  And this is a MC team that took two straight from UMHB who swept McM.  Should be a great first round game of the tourney.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 26, 2008, 08:26:15 PM
Ozarks scored two in their half of the 8th. Iit is now CTX 10 Ozarks 9 with CTX batting in the bottom of the 8th.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on April 26, 2008, 08:27:32 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on April 26, 2008, 08:11:06 PM
Robert Mummy just homered for Ozarks in the top of the 8th cutting the lead of CTX to 10-8.


headed into the bottom of the 8th.  UO just left the tie runner stranded 90 ft away.  UO is bring Curt Dixon into pitch. they are low low low on arms at this point to bring him in. 10-9 CTX, bot 8th.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on April 26, 2008, 08:49:14 PM
Quote from: HAMBONE on April 26, 2008, 08:27:32 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on April 26, 2008, 08:11:06 PM
Robert Mummy just homered for Ozarks in the top of the 8th cutting the lead of CTX to 10-8.


headed into the bottom of the 8th.  UO just left the tie runner stranded 90 ft away.  UO is bring Curt Dixon into pitch. they are low low low on arms at this point to bring him in. 10-9 CTX, bot 8th.

CTX won 10-9.  CTX, McM, UTT, MC all advance to the 2nd rd of the conf tourney that will be played @ Driggers Field in Abilene.  Corey Briggs can really swing the stick!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 26, 2008, 08:51:38 PM
I am sure that both teams have used up the quality they had in their bull pens.  Dixon they may believe is their best chance of holding CTX scoreless. Ozarks can't afford to give up another run. Dixon's arm cannot be anywhere near 100% and they are risking injury. I hope the coach knows what he is doing.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 26, 2008, 08:54:03 PM
So when it was all said and done the top 2 seeds from each division advanced.  Just like it is drawn up on paper.  Based on this weekend the two east teams look a bit stronger.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 26, 2008, 11:13:14 PM
Quote from: mcm505 on April 26, 2008, 08:12:30 PM
So McM plays MC on May 2nd at McM?  Is that all correct Ralph?  And this is a MC team that took two straight from UMHB who swept McM.  Should be a great first round game of the tourney.
I think that this is not the MissCollege team that HSU swept whom McMurry beat 2 games to 1.

McMurry plays Miss Coll in the second game on Friday.  Standard four-team double elimination format.  I hope that the weather is good.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on April 27, 2008, 01:27:02 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 26, 2008, 11:13:14 PM
Quote from: mcm505 on April 26, 2008, 08:12:30 PM
So McM plays MC on May 2nd at McM?  Is that all correct Ralph?  And this is a MC team that took two straight from UMHB who swept McM.  Should be a great first round game of the tourney.
I think that this is not the MissCollege team that HSU swept whom McMurry beat 2 games to 1.

McMurry plays Miss Coll in the second game on Friday.  Standard four-team double elimination format.  I hope that the weather is good.


weather should be good.  here is the link for the Abilene 10 day Forecast.  high of 80 and sunny.  It should feel like you are in San Diego, except when you leave the ballpark and you realize you are still in Abilene...

http://www.weather.com/weather/tenday/USTX0003?from=36hr_fcst10DayLink_undeclared (http://www.weather.com/weather/tenday/USTX0003?from=36hr_fcst10DayLink_undeclared)

Congratulations to CTX, McM, UTT, and MC...looks like there will be some blood shed in Abilene...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 27, 2008, 01:39:11 AM
Quote from: HAMBONE on April 27, 2008, 01:27:02 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 26, 2008, 11:13:14 PM
Quote from: mcm505 on April 26, 2008, 08:12:30 PM
So McM plays MC on May 2nd at McM?  Is that all correct Ralph?  And this is a MC team that took two straight from UMHB who swept McM.  Should be a great first round game of the tourney.
I think that this is not the MissCollege team that HSU swept whom McMurry beat 2 games to 1.

McMurry plays Miss Coll in the second game on Friday.  Standard four-team double elimination format.  I hope that the weather is good.


weather should be good.  here is the link for the Abilene 10 day Forecast.  high of 80 and sunny.  It should feel like you are in San Diego, except when you leave the ballpark and you realize you are still in Abilene...
...
You know, there are a couple of places around Lytle Lake where a vivid imagination can conjure up an image of La Jolla... I mean a really vivid imagination...   :D  ;)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 27, 2008, 06:31:00 AM
Player       AVG  GP-GS      AB   R   H   2B  3B  HR RBI TB  SLG%  BB HBP SO GDP OB% SF SH SB-ATT

Derek David..446  43-43   177  75  79  10   0  25  69  164  .927  26   4  30   2  .522   2   0   7-8     

Conf Rec    .491.......      194  72   82  25   9  17  66   140          47

Brett Amyx' RBI/game ratio is 1.74 (66 RBI in 38 games).  David's current RBI/game ratio is 1.60.

Four more hits are realistic in a three-game ASC playoff series; 18 more AB's may take some more work.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on April 27, 2008, 01:03:54 PM
Concordia digs deep and pulls out the series, as well as McM. Looks like Ozarks just ran out of arms, but really could swing the bat.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on April 28, 2008, 03:42:19 PM
All the info you wanted and more on the upcoming tournament:

http://athletics.mcm.edu//Sports/baseball/2008/08ascbaseballtourney.asp
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 28, 2008, 09:52:36 PM
ASC and pool C bid. 

It would appear that the only way that the ASC gets a pool C bid is if UTT is not the conference tournament winner.  All the other teams have at least 14 losses and I don't think that will do it.
I am certainly not an expert but that is how I am reading the tea leaves.  If UTT looses I think that is the only way the ASC gets two representatives this year. Any one else with some thoughts?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 29, 2008, 05:40:19 PM
I agree.  I honestly don't think that we are Pool C calibre below UT-Tyler.  I think that the West and the East Division champions are worthy of a Pool A bid.  I think that the Top teams in the ASC are in the Top 75 (Top Quintile) to D-III and that works out to maybe "0.5 starting pitchers" and a "great reliever" between the top 6-7 runners-up in the ASC and the "non-UT-Tyler"Pool C bids around the country.

I think that Trinity, Southwestern, Rhodes, Millsaps and DePauw are in the same boat...Top Quintile. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 02, 2008, 06:57:11 PM
CTX leads 6-5 in the top of the 9th. 

One out, runner on first for CTX.  Ziegler on the mound for UT-Tyler.


Williams pops to 2b. 2 outs.

Wernecke, 2 run HR to right center, Mercer scores, too.  CTX 8-5.


CTX -- Aubry on for Ontiveros, bottom of the 9th.

UTT -- Hood, solo HR to left center, CTX 8-6
UTT -- A Damewood, solo homer to right center, CTX 8-7.



CTX wins 8-7.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 02, 2008, 09:07:43 PM
Bottom of the 5th with McMurry coming to bat, McM 7-2.

MC's Jonathan Russell on the mound.  Clint Johnston for McMurry.


Bottom of the 7th, McM 7-2.  Both starters are still on the mound.


McM 10 MC 2.  McM's Whitten gets his 1st HR of the season, a 3-run shot down the left field line.

Top of the 9th, MissColl brings the top of the order.


Final score.  McMurry 10, Mississippi College 2.


Miss College catches UT-Tyler in the first game tomorrow at noon.

CTX and McMurry in the second game at 3:30 pm.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on May 02, 2008, 10:57:39 PM
Were is Fungoman man on this one? Sounds like Concordia ripped Booher and new one.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 02, 2008, 11:12:43 PM
Vilade cannot win the Conference championship - is this another repeat? When James Vilade was the head coach of UD he took that team to the confence playoffs 3 times (from my recollection) after dominating the east only to fall short each time. It looks like history is repeating itself. Although this is far from over his two best pitchers did not perform well today and now the weak bullpen is exposed. He still has Holland to go tomorrow but he burned Ziegler today so he is likely not available tomorrow.  The good news for UTT is that MC's best pitcher was also spent. If and that is not a big if - UTT can get by MC tomorrow they only have Cambell left that has any real mound time. Vilade just has not used more than 4 pitchers most of the season so the rest are really untested. He appearas to have have lost confidence in Munchrath but he doens't really have anyone else to start if he gets to a game 4.  Wolfe looks like the guy he will go to next in relief of Holland if he needs to.  The strategy of using only 3 starters now shows weakness. In my opinion he thew Booher to many pitches last week. Booher went nearly 130 and was not sharp today. The long toll of over 70 + innings of work is showing up. Holland is in a similar situation only Cambell is well rested but Campbell has not pitched in 2 weeks. UTT better hope their bats are working because I think the pitching staff will be hit again tomorrow.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 03, 2008, 09:21:49 PM
CTX 6 UTT 3, top of the 5th with UTT batting.

CTX's Morrison vs UTT Campbell.

CTX 6-3, bottom of the 5th.


UTT leaves the bases loaded in the 6th.
Campbell gets CTX 3 up and 3 down in the bottom of the 6th.

CTX 6-3.


CTX's Ontiveros is on in relief and gets the final two outs of the 7th inning.

CTX 6-3.


CTX's Wernecke (clean-up batter) leads off the bottom of the 7th with a double.
UTT-  L. Wolfe relieves Campbell.
CTX -- Thielepape up for CTX; he bunts Wernecke to 3b, and Cmerek hits SAC FLY to RF scoring Wernecke!  Szkotak out 4-3. (Great inning, doing the fundamentals in the heart of the lineup!)  CTX leads 7-3.


Bottom of the 8th, CTX leading 7-3.

Bases loaded, two outs,
UT-T Munchrath relieving L. Wolfe.  Wernecke (clean-up batter) up.
Wernecke out 6-3.  0 runs, 2 hits, 3 LOB


UTT top of the 9th...
0 runs, 1 hit 2 LOB.

Final CTX 7, UTT 3

CTX to the finals tomorrow at 1 pm versus McMurry, UTT to Pool C!

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 03, 2008, 10:57:52 PM
Interesting, the balance that we have in the ASC!   :)

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: strosfan1 on May 04, 2008, 01:21:57 AM
ASC is the most balanced conference in d3 except for maybe the one in socal.  Does UT-Tyler get an at leage?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 04, 2008, 01:26:08 AM
Quote from: strosfan1 on May 04, 2008, 01:21:57 AM
ASC is the most balanced conference in d3 except for maybe the one in socal.  Does UT-Tyler get an at leage?
I think that UT-Tyler has a Pool C bid.  :)

The ASC is incredibly balanced.  McMurry is playing for the title tomorrow, yet lost to LaCollege, SRSU (twice) and Mark Cox for UT-Dallas in the last 3 weeks.

Most observers think that the New Jersey AC is the best and most balanced (at top) conference in the country.  The WIAC, and the Little East have quality teams, too.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: The U For Life on May 04, 2008, 01:50:27 AM
Yeah Ralph we did lose to those teams.  Add in a loss to ETBU this year and a loss to Trinity(should have won), and southwestern.  We should have won a lot of games we didnt, for whatever reason.  There is one thing about this team though, through all the injuries and all the struggles we have found a way to put ourself in postion to win it.  We have battled through a lot this year.  It seems like one injury after the other and to key guys.(Brent Voorhees, Steven Yurchich, Weston Franco, Evan Reece who no one knows about but is a player, Thomas Beckham missed over half the season, and lost 4 pitchers all who could have helped us.  Yeah yeah i know this is part of the game, but never the less we have found a way.  I will tell you what those 2 weeks you referred to Ralph we were playing some bad ball.  In the words of Driggers himself, "You guys stink, i mean stinking suck right now,"  Which was totally true, we did and our record over that time shows it.  This whole time though we have said though that if we can just find a way to turn it on at the right time, then it will be hard for someone to beat us(we havent clicked in all cylinders yet this season, but seems like we might be at the right time.  Dont know what will happen tomorrow because Concordia is a great time and are very hot right now.  Just going to put our chips on the table and see where they fall.  Want to wish good luck to Concordia because they are a great team and a classy one.  Of all the teams in our conference and especially at this tournament this weekend they have shown nothing but class, and so if we arent going to win it then i would want them too.   
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 04, 2008, 02:10:51 AM
Well stated U!   :)

I am just being quiet and humbly understated.  ;)

I am working this weekend and could not get out for the series, so I was listening to the streaming audio with my mom on my laptop via dial-up at her place.  (Mom and Dad kept score for the Fort Worth summer recreational leagues and the old Fort Worth Press, way before I was born.)  Boy that was fun!

I had to leave the computer, and she called my cell phone to tell me of Derrick's 3-run HR.

Field of Dreams stuff.  Always tell your parents that you love them.  There will come a day when you will miss them.   :)

Good luck tomorrow.  I have business travel, so I will try to catch scores on the run.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 04, 2008, 01:00:55 PM
Why UTT lost.  The obvious answer is that two of their big three did not pitch well and Ziegler was not effective in relief in the first loss to CTX. However, they lost the second game primarily due to an inability to make clutch hits.  Both teams had the same amount of hits 12. UTT also had an additional 4 runners due to walks, a hit batter and an error. CTX had 3 addtional baserunners due to 1 error and 2 walks for a total of 16.   CTX scored 7 runs out of those 16 or 43.75% of its baserunners scored.  UTT on the aother hand scored 3 runs out of 17 baserunners or 17.65% of its baserunners scored. The UTT failure to score was against two pitchers that had very high ERAs( the starter came in with an ERA above 6.5 and the reliever had an ERA above 9).   Generally a team is doing well if it can score half of its baserunners or average 50%. CTX was below that amount but close. UTT on the other hand needed almost 6 baserunners per run scored. You are not going to win with that. So they choked with runners on base. The 7th inning was telling they had what looked like a rally going but left the bases loaded as Baker popped up harmlessly to 2b to end the iniing.  A leadoff double in the 8th lead to nothing as they left runners on the corners stranded. And so it went the entire game.  When someone needed to step up and get a 2 out hit - NOBODY came through. 

I don't know who will win today but if CTX looses they should still be considered, I hope, for an at large bid. They broke the 30 win barier yesterday. UTT had a great season but fell short. If they are lucky enough to get an at large bid they have got to get over the "yips" at the plate or they will have a short stay in the playoffs.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm505 on May 04, 2008, 04:29:41 PM
Indians 2008 ASC Champions, 4-1 over CTX.

Great game by both teams.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: UTTpatriots on May 04, 2008, 09:34:49 PM
what are the chances of UT-Tyler getting in?  It would seem that Concordia at #4 would jump ahead of Tyler at #3 after the weekend games that were played
any thoughts?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm505 on May 04, 2008, 11:59:04 PM
Concordia people,

Was Coach Gardner coaching the team today because the Abilene paper said Myers was in his place today?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on May 05, 2008, 02:11:14 AM
Coach Gardner was in Houston for a family emergency.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: All-AmericanFan on May 05, 2008, 10:57:16 AM
 Well I was proven wrong, I thought that the tides were turning and the East was stronger than the West, I was wrong. UT Tyler was twice beaten by Concordia, and Mississippi was easily handled by McMurry. The West is still stronger....
How quickly the coach is at fault for the losses. How can you blame a coach for throwing pitchers of record 11-0, 10-0, then a guy who was Pre-Season Pitcher of the Year? If he didn't throw those guys, I can't imagine the beating you would give the coach then. Here's the deal I was convinced of this weekend, UT Tyler is not the team they were made out to be by their numbers. I looked at their schedule, they went 10-7 against teams that were in the playoff mix with records better than .500. That's not good. They have impressive numbers, but they must have accumulated those numbers while going 26-2 against sub-par teams. They didn't have the raw power to get into a slugfest with Concordia, they didn't have the speed to put pressure on the pitchers when hits were hard to come by, and the two at the top of the line-up just never quite hit at their capabilities, which drastically changed the value of their offense. When two struggle, others must step up and make up the difference. If that is too much to ask, you are not a championship team. Period.
Wow Concordia is good. They played with enormous passion, and bless their coach. If they do not leap-frog UT Tyler, something is wrong. Hopefully they might get an at-large bid, they are a deserving team.
Hats off to McMurry. Overcame many injuries along the way to your conference championship. Good thing Sull Ross wasn't in the tournament.... I hear they wont be in the regional either so good luck boys
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on May 05, 2008, 02:45:10 PM
Quote from: All-AmericanFan on May 05, 2008, 10:57:16 AM
  Good thing Sull Ross wasn't in the tournament.... I hear they wont be in the regional either so good luck boys

Its a GREAT thing that Sully wasnt there!!!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 05, 2008, 04:45:18 PM
I certainly am not beating down Vilade for throwing his best pitchers. The point I was making is that he overused Booher last week - over 130 pitches in a game they had well in hand against HSU. I suspect that he wasn't as effecitve this weekend due to the number of pitches he threw and the accumulated wear from all of the pitches and innings he worked. The Booher that threw against CTX this past weekend was not the same pitcher he was a month ago that had a 1.28 ERA. I agree CTX deserves a bid they played well and I don't want to take anything away from their accomplishments. UTT had a great season as well but did not live up to expectations this past weekend. Keep in mind that last weekend they swept an HSU team that had got into the conference tournamnet by winning 12 games in a row. MC also swept a MHB team that at one time was ranked ahead of UTT in one poll. So I am not sure I would jump to the conclusion the the West is better than the east. In the first round the East won 6 games to the West 4.  I agree with Ralph the conference has increadible balance.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on May 05, 2008, 05:49:42 PM
Here are my thoughts after watching all season and most of this weekend's games.

You put the four winners from the West, Ozarks, UTT and MC in a double elimination tournament and played it seven different weeks and you could get seven different winners. I think that is the definition of parity.

McMurry clearly had the best combination of timely hitting, defense and pitching for the weekend and they got it from some of their "other" players.

I think one thing you saw that was clearly a factor from the HSU-UTT series and this weekend was the strike zone. At UTT last weekend both umpires had huge zones. Both teams were getting a good three to four balls on the outside corner. HSU did not take advantage of that as well as Booher and Holland did.

When UTT had to throw the ball in the strike zone this weekend at McMurry they were a lot more hittable. Their velocity was not a big difference from one week to the other both were 86-88 both weekends.   I think the strike zone was the bigger difference than arm fatigue. They both still had good velocity. They just weren't getting strikes that were six to eight inches off the plate.

I think McMurry can hit with anyone and if they get the efforts on the mound they got this weekend they can be super dangerous in a regional. They are a much better team defensively now than when I saw them the first week of the conference season. They are very good up the middle defensively and they can run down some balls in the outfield. 

I think Concordia is a scrappy team that does a lot of things right and they will battle you. They also have guys that can make you pay for mistakes.

UTT has the best top end of the rotation, I don't know how well they hit good pitching. They are not an imposing offensive team, but they take a lot of good at-bats and can single you to death and really make a pitcher throw a lot of pitches.

It is going to be interesting to see what the committee does with Concordia and Tyler. I don't think they both get in, but they could. They need to hope for no upsets in other tournaments this weekend.

UTT has a better overall record, but their record is mediocre against good teams. Concordia played a better schedule and also beat UTT 3-of-5 games this season, including two this last weekend on a neutral field.

It will be hard decision for Lee Driggers and the committee.  Maybe it will work that all three get into the tournament. Throw in Trinity and then it becomes a four flight regional, which has been done in the past. 



Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 05, 2008, 06:41:56 PM
Quote from: hsusid on May 05, 2008, 05:49:42 PM
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You put the four winners from the West, Ozarks, UTT and MC in a double elimination tournament and played it seven different weeks and you could get seven different winners. I think that is the definition of parity.
...
I agree!  +1 :)
I just wish that Mississippi College (and LaCollege with that walk-off Majors' grand slam  >:(  ) could get the Millsaps monkey off their backs!!!

We have a good time in Texas mixing it with AC, Southwestern and Trinity and Ozarks versus
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm505 on May 06, 2008, 09:30:37 PM
I just hope this go around McM can prevent the two and out bug we had in Bloomington.  I remember we had terrible flights going out there, weather into Chicago was terrible, and then we went two and out, which put a damper on the trip.  Hopefully staying in the comforts of our own home can give our Indians the chance to be the second team in the ASC to make the trip to the CWS DIII.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: itsd3baseball on May 06, 2008, 09:46:27 PM
If Vilade had any clue at all, he would not have shown contempt for his bullpen (besides ziegler) AND EVEN his 3rd starter!!  You cant blame anyone but himfor the choke in the tourney.  Getting through the East is difficult enough only throwing 4 guys, but getting through a tournament with that same number is NEVER going to happen- HOW do you not look ahead and see that????  Has he always done this?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 07, 2008, 12:03:23 AM
The number one goal of any coach in the ASC is to win their division. Vilade was blessed with 3 very good starters and he did develop Ziegler as his go to guy in relief.  Those 3 plus Ziegler was enough to win every weekend matchup in a non-tournament setting and win the Division and win the first round against HSU. The problem he had was finding a reliable mid week starter for his number 4. In tournamet ball you need 4 starters and two good relievers. UTT has not shown they have the pitching depth to be a multi-game tournament team.

I still think that Booher was showing signs of fatigue. His last two outings were not sharp. Fatigue in pitchers does not necessarily mean a loss in velocity instead it shows itself as a fall off in command. The pitch that used to hit the outside corner misses slightly. The pitch that broke sharply doesn't break the same. The pitches start drifting over the plate that used to hug the corners. A real telling point is the pitcher misses high and doesn't seem to be able to keep the ball down by knees. I think that with a week to rest that Booher might be sharper next time he pitches if they get an at large bid.  They can win a couple of games in the Regional with Booher and Holland  but they will have to rely on an offense to advance far and have a shot at winning. Cambell is not the same pitcher he was last year and they don't have a reliable #4. They certainly cannot have 17 baserunners and only score 3 runs like they did against CTX and have any hope in succeeding.  The West regional will be loaded with good teams and Chapman not having to worry about winning a division championship has spread around the use of its pitchers. They do not rely on 3 main guys they have a bunch of pitchers who have 40 innnings of experience they can use.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 07, 2008, 12:15:05 AM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 07, 2008, 12:03:23 AM
The number one goal of any coach in the ASC is to win their division. Vilade was blessed with 3 very good starters and he did develop Ziegler as his go to guy in relief.  Those 3 plus Ziegler was enough to win every weekend matchup in a non-tournament setting and win the Division and win the first round against HSU. The problem he had was finding a reliable mid week starter for his number 4. In tournament ball you need 4 starters and two good relievers. UTT has not shown they have the pitching depth to be a multi-game tournament team.

I still think that Booher was showing signs of fatigue. His last two outings were not sharp. Fatigue in pitchers does not necessarily mean a loss in velocity instead it shows itself as a fall off in command. The pitch that used to hit the outside corner misses slightly. The pitch that broke sharply doesn't break the same. The pitches start drifting over the plate that used to hug the corners. A real telling point is the pitcher misses high and doesn't seem to be able to keep the ball down by knees. I think that with a week to rest that Booher might be sharper next time he pitches if they get an at large bid.  They can win a couple of games in the Regional with Booher and Holland  but they will have to rely on an offense to advance far and have a shot at winning. Cambell is not the same pitcher he was last year and they don't have a reliable #4. They certainly cannot have 17 baserunners and only score 3 runs like they did against CTX and have any hope in succeeding.  The West regional will be loaded with good teams and Chapman not having to worry about winning a division championship has spread around the use of its pitchers. They do not rely on 3 main guys they have a bunch of pitchers who have 40 innings of experience they can use.
Chapman stats (http://www1.chapman.edu/athletics/07-08/baseball/teamcume.htm)

No, Chapman has three starters, and Wayde Kitchens (9 starts, 58.2 IP, 0.31 ERA) was injured early in the season.  Yacko is the go-to reliever (12 saves in 20 appearances).  Matt Luzar has three starts and John Semel has one start.

I think that Chapman is vulnerable in their 4th and 5th starters, from a World Series perspective.  If someone can put Chapman into the losers' bracket, then someone can beat them.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on May 07, 2008, 12:31:19 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 07, 2008, 12:15:05 AM
No, Chapman has three starters, and Wayde Kitchens (9 starts, 58.2 IP, 0.31 ERA) was injured early in the season.  Yacko is the go-to reliever (12 saves in 20 appearances).  Matt Luzar has three starts and John Semel has one start.

I think that Chapman is vulnerable in their 4th and 5th starters, from a World Series perspective.  If someone can put Chapman into the losers' bracket, then someone can beat them.

I've stopped betting against Chapman. It just doesn't pay dividends. Granted, away from Hart Park they may be a bit vulnerable, but it seems like the last two years I've been saying, get them in the losers bracket and they're done with their lack of pitching depth... and it just doesn't happen.

Sigman and Clear haven't been great, but they've been good enough to win, and if Luzar is indeed healthy now -- that's four decent starters. In '06 they brought back Klovstad and Drag after they both threw complete games only a few days before. Last year Drag threw a complete game on the 16th, then another on the 19th. UTD hit Kitchens fairly well in 7 innings on the 17th, so he decided to come back and throw a complete game shut out against Pac Lu on the 19th.

Are they putting those guys careers at risk ? Perhaps, provided they have one. But must be nice to have some horses that want the ball and can compete at that level.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bbnag101 on May 07, 2008, 01:05:31 AM
Just - Some -Guy:  WELCOME BACK!!!! I've missed reading your postings.

How many days rest is the norm for pitchers?  If they had a low pitch count in the first game, would two days rest be enough? 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 07, 2008, 01:10:27 AM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on May 07, 2008, 12:31:19 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 07, 2008, 12:15:05 AM
No, Chapman has three starters, and Wayde Kitchens (9 starts, 58.2 IP, 0.31 ERA) was injured early in the season.  Yacko is the go-to reliever (12 saves in 20 appearances).  Matt Luzar has three starts and John Semel has one start.

I think that Chapman is vulnerable in their 4th and 5th starters, from a World Series perspective.  If someone can put Chapman into the losers' bracket, then someone can beat them.

I've stopped betting against Chapman. It just doesn't pay dividends. Granted, away from Hart Park they may be a bit vulnerable, but it seems like the last two years I've been saying, get them in the losers bracket and they're done with their lack of pitching depth... and it just doesn't happen.

Sigman and Clear haven't been great, but they've been good enough to win, and if Luzar is indeed healthy now -- that's four decent starters. In '06 they brought back Klovstad and Drag after they both threw complete games only a few days before. Last year Drag threw a complete game on the 16th, then another on the 19th. UTD hit Kitchens fairly well in 7 innings on the 17th, so he decided to come back and throw a complete game shut out against Pac Lu on the 19th.

Are they putting those guys careers at risk ? Perhaps, provided they have one. But must be nice to have some horses that want the ball and can compete at that level.

JSG
I am not betting against Chapman. If they stay in the winners' bracket, they will win the regionals.  I don't think anyone has the pitching to beat them twice on the last day of the regionals.   Let's see.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: itsd3baseball on May 07, 2008, 02:24:48 AM
BTW i havent seen Concordia or McMurry play this year but it would seem to me that if CTX beat #6 (at the time) UTT, and McMurry beat up CTX that atleast one of those would crack the top 25 AND/OR UTT would drop more than 2 spots to number 9.  Somebody fill me in.  :-\
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gatekeper43 on May 07, 2008, 01:24:47 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 07, 2008, 01:10:27 AM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on May 07, 2008, 12:31:19 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 07, 2008, 12:15:05 AM
No, Chapman has three starters, and Wayde Kitchens (9 starts, 58.2 IP, 0.31 ERA) was injured early in the season.  Yacko is the go-to reliever (12 saves in 20 appearances).  Matt Luzar has three starts and John Semel has one start.

I think that Chapman is vulnerable in their 4th and 5th starters, from a World Series perspective.  If someone can put Chapman into the losers' bracket, then someone can beat them.

I've stopped betting against Chapman. It just doesn't pay dividends. Granted, away from Hart Park they may be a bit vulnerable, but it seems like the last two years I've been saying, get them in the losers bracket and they're done with their lack of pitching depth... and it just doesn't happen.

Sigman and Clear haven't been great, but they've been good enough to win, and if Luzar is indeed healthy now -- that's four decent starters. In '06 they brought back Klovstad and Drag after they both threw complete games only a few days before. Last year Drag threw a complete game on the 16th, then another on the 19th. UTD hit Kitchens fairly well in 7 innings on the 17th, so he decided to come back and throw a complete game shut out against Pac Lu on the 19th.

Are they putting those guys careers at risk ? Perhaps, provided they have one. But must be nice to have some horses that want the ball and can compete at that level.

JSG
I am not betting against Chapman. If they stay in the winners' bracket, they will win the regionals.  I don't think anyone has the pitching to beat them twice on the last day of the regionals.   Let's see.

Great to see your back JSG.  Chapman knows how to win. period end of story!!! There pitching has always been there dominant feature. This year they have an offense that also knows how to win and get the key hits when needed, just look at the # of wins they have with double digit scores and that alone will tell you that the new hitting coach they have in Koosed has done his job and got this team on the offensive side of the game as well. There pitching coach is the best in the nation and there head coach well his record speaks for itself.Now add defense plus offense and you get a team that knows how to win.
    Kitchens who was injured at the beginning of the season forced Chapman to work there pitching staff unlike years past where they depended on there top two with a strong third pitcher, there pitching staff is far more formidble and they have a number of horses that can beat you. There ace Kitchens with a .31 ERA after coming off an injury that alone speaks for itself, to come back from being hurt and dominate like he has, Clear is a Stud he might get hit but will beat you his record speaks for itself, Sigmond who is a freshman also gets hit but watch out for his off speed it will suprise you if your not ready for it, then Luzar who is healthy will pitch no doubt in my mind, now you get any of these guys into the 7th inning and then you have to deal with the second lowest ERA in the nation Yacko who's major league slider is just about unhittable. The thing about Yacko's slider is you know it's coming and there is nothing you can do about it, just stick you bat out there and hope that it makes contact  by mistake
   There is one other factor that needs to be taken into account and that is the core of this team has the experience of the post season at the regionals and at the CWS.
I am not saying that it can't be done and there is a ton of teams out there that would love to knock the Panthers off the top shelf and there is a lot of Texas teams that would have bragging rights if they can do just that. Will it be McM or UTT or Concordia who knows we will just have to wait and see. But with all said in the end I have to agree with All American the West is definitly better than the East this year.  The crown is coming out west with one of the power houses whomever it is. whether it goes to Texas who will represent the west in formidble fashion.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on May 07, 2008, 09:42:40 PM
I would Def put McMurry in the top 25. There are alot of teams North and East of the ASC that just  breeze their way through conference and easily win there conference tourny. I think the West hammers and beats each other up like a heavy weight bought each game. If you cant agree with me on this one , then you are not watching or following baseball to hard. I really beleive McMurry, UTT and CTX are top 25 calibers but just dont get the respect or recognision of being in probably the best and having the most paridy conference in the country. May I add that CTX really surprised alot of people this year, even some alumni on this board. This team is going to be solid, next year.  And if it werent for the injury to NAIA all american Garrett Morris, theres no telling were they could have ended up.
Good luck to McMurry.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: All-AmericanFan on May 08, 2008, 09:17:30 AM
 A few points from past posts....
1) TexasBB said UTT should have realized that more than four pitchers would be needed to win the conference tournament. McMurry only used 5 and one of those came into a game winning 10-2. TLU only used five pitchers last year to win the ASC. Pitching depth is great, a team like HSU had many guys they were comfortable with bringing in at any period in time, but I think I would still choose three proven ACES and one STOPPER in the bullpen, where as HSU had two STOPPERS then some quality guys.
2) I do believe Chapman is beatable, but it will have to be a grind it out, leave everything on the field effort. Kitchens has only lost 2 games in the last two years... but one of them was to MCM 5-1, and I believe MCM was in position to sweep Chapman this year, but showed up thinking they were playing 7 inning games because they lost two in the last  two innings.
3) I believe HSUID was trying to state how much balance the conference had when he said you take the top four teams from the West and mix them with the top three from the East and anything could happen any week. I disagree, MC just figured out how to win about 4 or 5 weeks ago, and in these five weeks they were beat by the good teams they played (lost two of three at home to UTT and two and out in the tournament). UTT in a different week? Maybe but I still stand by they would have to figure out how to beat MCM and CTX, not the other way around. MCM has quality front in guys, and CTX are good enough to give their powerful offense a chance to win the game. UTT relies solely upon their pitching, they simply do not have enough weapons (speed and power) to be an offensive juggernaut against good teams. UMHB, they might have a month and a half ago, but they have been terrible down the stretch the last two years. I guess after they win a few games and get some ink in the D3 poll they would rather sit at home reading about it rather than practice and keep improving. Better luck next year.

From what I saw this weekend and in the past, McMurry and Concordia were hands down the best teams in the ASC. Maybe I just saw McM on good weekends, not Sull Ross weekends, and maybe CTX is really the team to beat? Good question, but McM took 4 out of 5 games against CTX, two at home and two on the road. The nod goes to McM, but a very quality team hanging out in their shadows.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: All-AmericanFan on May 08, 2008, 09:25:28 AM
and 4) it was mentioned that in the first round of playoffs, the East won 6 games to the West' 4. Check out the ASC tourny, the West won 3 to the East 0.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: atlas385 on May 08, 2008, 09:48:58 AM
I agree w/ your assesment on MCM and CTX being strong contenders. Both teams can hit the ball hard and often. Unfortunately for CTX they couldn't capitalize when they had runners on base while MCM did. Dakota pitched a great game in the championship game. Don't underestimate the ASC teams playing in the regionals.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 08, 2008, 01:34:12 PM
All American thinks that UTT does not have offense or speed. Wrong they lead the ASC in batting average, runs scored and RBIs.

Comparing MCM, CTX and UTT offensively.

           BA          R        HR       3b       2b      RBI

CTX   .328     405       73         7        94      380
MCM  .347     421       75        12      114     384
UTT   .362     435        65        21      103     394

UTT had 2 players with 10 home runs one with 9 and 3 others with 7. Nobody like David but more balance. No team speed? They had 21 triples 3 times as many as CTX.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 08, 2008, 04:02:29 PM
Regional Rankings... (http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/default.aspx?id=212508)

UT-Tyler is way out on the bubble.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tiger_fan2000 on May 08, 2008, 04:04:11 PM
How does a record of 33-9 in region put you not ranked.....I dont understand it.  I wonder if Coach Vilade made some people mad.....

Didnt he go 37-3 at UDallas and not get a bid either.......
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: atlas385 on May 08, 2008, 04:49:21 PM
I guess it's a matter of what have you done lately... Any thought on CTX getting a Pool C bid?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: atl7 on May 08, 2008, 05:11:07 PM
Quote from: tiger_fan2000 on May 08, 2008, 04:04:11 PM
How does a record of 33-9 in region put you not ranked.....I dont understand it.  I wonder if Coach Vilade made some people mad.....

Didnt he go 37-3 at UDallas and not get a bid either.......

idk i think d-3 does not understand how to rank teams...McMurry is #2 in the region now how is that possible they have the worst in region record of all the teams ranked and the one team that is not ranked now UTT
wow they won the tourny but i just dont see how they can jump that high those games were homes games for them as well....i still think UTT will get into a regional a top 15/10 ten team in the nation plus a divison champion just cant be sitting at home during the post season that is just not logical at all and it would be obivous that the playoffs did not have the best teams in the nation fighting for a chance to play in the college WS....and it would be offical that Division 3 baseball is a joke and the D3 committee are a bunch of fools who dont understand baseball
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: atlas385 on May 08, 2008, 06:03:33 PM
I believe when he was a coach at UTD they were still on "probation" and not allowed to play in the tournament. They were in the final year of dropping down to D3.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on May 08, 2008, 06:08:31 PM
He was at UD and yes they were eligible for the tournament.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: All-AmericanFan on May 08, 2008, 06:19:45 PM
Quote from: atl7 on May 08, 2008, 05:11:07 PM
Quote from: tiger_fan2000 on May 08, 2008, 04:04:11 PM
How does a record of 33-9 in region put you not ranked.....I dont understand it.  I wonder if Coach Vilade made some people mad.....

Didnt he go 37-3 at UDallas and not get a bid either.......

idk i think d-3 does not understand how to rank teams...McMurry is #2 in the region now how is that possible they have the worst in region record of all the teams ranked and the one team that is not ranked now UTT
wow they won the tourny but i just dont see how they can jump that high those games were homes games for them as well....i still think UTT will get into a regional a top 15/10 ten team in the nation plus a divison champion just cant be sitting at home during the post season that is just not logical at all and it would be obivous that the playoffs did not have the best teams in the nation fighting for a chance to play in the college WS....and it would be offical that Division 3 baseball is a joke and the D3 committee are a bunch of fools who dont understand baseball

Keep in mind last year was the first year the ASC had both division winners in the West Regional, and it will be hard to give the bid to UTT over CTX after they beat UTT twice down the stretch. Will three teams get in? I think it would be great for the ASC and I hope to watch all three of them in it, but I dont see that happening. I do not know how many pool B bids there are, but if Chapman is the only team to be granted one from the West then UTT has no chance. They already have a slim chance with George Fox being the first team on the list for a pool C and Concordia will have to see if they get one. Either way Sunday will be interesting but I have a feeling UTT will be playing Nintendo baseball with me while those other teams are getting ready to play.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: All-AmericanFan on May 08, 2008, 06:29:29 PM
I'm sorry I forgot to mention why I say they have no chance if the West only has one pool B team (Chapman), the reasoning for this is now Cal State East Bay will be in the mix trying to get a pool C, and if they are trying to get a pool C then CTX has a slim chance and UTT's chances would surely deminsh.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 08, 2008, 07:13:18 PM
Quote from: All-AmericanFan on May 08, 2008, 06:29:29 PM
I'm sorry I forgot to mention why I say they have no chance if the West only has one pool B team (Chapman), the reasoning for this is now Cal State East Bay will be in the mix trying to get a pool C, and if they are trying to get a pool C then CTX has a slim chance and UTT's chances would surely deminsh.
Cal State East Bay may earn a Pool B bid, too.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: The U For Life on May 08, 2008, 07:28:50 PM
Texas BB,

UTT's offensive numbers may have more to do with the competition they played this year.  I dont know if i caught UTT on a bad weekend, but this is about the 6th time i've seen them play and I would have never thought they would have those numbers.  No disrespect to any patriot players but I just dont see how they put up those numbers.  They did not impress me at all with their sticks.  Concordia is the only team in the ASC that i believe can swing it with McMurry, but I still give a slight edge to McMurry.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on May 08, 2008, 07:36:51 PM
A couple of thoughts:
UTT has been nationally ranked all season, and in the top 10 for much of the season, it would be a real shame if they dont get a bid to the tourney.....would be like a top 25 NCAA basketball team not getting the march madness invite.

UD had a record of 31-3 and did not get a bid to the regionals.  That season i believe they finished in the top 5 nationally.  It was one season after Vilade left the program, so obviouly the D3 guys have had a past of not nominating the top teams.

In a head to head, if it were for the last playoff, spot id have to give the nod to CTX over UTT.  I think UTT is actually a better team, but they failed to prove it last weekend.

Regional rankings are questionable at best.  I dont know how McM shot up from unranked to #2...other teams (UTT) completely dropped out. 

I hope UTT gets in the tourney....and i think CTX should have a bid too, but who knows.  Im not holding my breath.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on May 09, 2008, 12:27:09 AM
I may get some heat or this but Texas teams do not get any recognision or respect in Div 3 baseball. Not on this website but in general in selections. I remember UD was a powerhouse and manhandled the indep. conf. and didnt get in. ITs a shame and hopefully it changes because the ASC is a very solid conference.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on May 09, 2008, 12:29:23 AM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on May 09, 2008, 12:27:09 AM
I may get some heat or this but Texas teams do not get any recognision or respect in Div 3 baseball. Not on this website but in general in selections. I remember UD was a powerhouse and manhandled the indep. conf. and didnt get in. ITs a shame and hopefully it changes because the ASC is a very solid conference.

Been mentioned before but TX will continue to get overlooked until they make a deep run towards a national title.  There is some very good baseball being played out there but CUA's 2 &Q in the World Series is all they have to hang their hat on.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on May 09, 2008, 03:59:09 AM
Yeah, i dont think anyone from the ASC has reached the national tourney in a long time if ever....doesnt help that we would have to go through the california schools to do it tho.   

In my opinion another region needs to be made, southwest region perhaps?  There are alot of regions in the northeast, mostly because of the density of d3 schools up there, but still.  The west region spans from Mississippi College in the ASC all the way west to California.  Split that region up into 2 regions and i think you see better representation from TX schools in the world series. 

Just my humble opinion
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 09, 2008, 07:56:28 AM
Quote from: tloc14 on May 09, 2008, 03:59:09 AM
Yeah, i dont think anyone from the ASC has reached the national tourney in a long time if ever....doesnt help that we would have to go through the california schools to do it tho.   

In my opinion another region needs to be made, southwest region perhaps?  There are alot of regions in the northeast, mostly because of the density of d3 schools up there, but still.  The west region spans from Mississippi College in the ASC all the way west to California.  Split that region up into 2 regions and i think you see better representation from TX schools in the world series. 

Just my humble opinion
Good morning, tloc.

There are not enough schools to constitute a region in the "Southwest".  The West region has 15 ASC schools, 4 SCAC schools and UDallas in the "southwest", and 8 SCIAC schools, 9 NWC schools, 3 independents and 1 second-year provisional on the west coast.

There is no specific allocation of "at-large" bids by region.  :)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: atlas385 on May 09, 2008, 09:24:39 AM
Ralph,

In your opinion, who do you think will play in the west region if it becomes an 8 team format?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 09, 2008, 10:02:10 AM
Quote from: atlas385 on May 09, 2008, 09:24:39 AM
Ralph,

In your opinion, who do you think will play in the west region if it becomes an 8 team format?
I believe that these teams are the locks.

West Region
Rank Team Overall In-Region
1 Chapman 35-3 28-3 (Pool B)
2 McMurry 29-17 28-16 (ASC Pool A)
3 George Fox 28-12 27-11   (Pool C)
4 Cal State-East Bay 26-14 20-10   (Pool B/C)
Pool A SCAC Trinity
Pool A NWC Linfield



5 Redlands 27-13 20-8
6 Concordia-Austin 30-16 26-13
On the bubble...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on May 09, 2008, 12:49:50 PM
That is a good point, I remember when we had to go through a solid Panoma Pitzer squad and Trinity (who had the best pitching by far in the country that year) and our conference tourney. We got to the World Series worn out after playing the Southwestern tourny in 98 degree weather, then playing in Wisconsin in the high 20's, it was brutal. In my opinion the quality of teams thier were the same or even not that of Trinity or Panoma Pitzer. That first game killed us being up the whole game to lose it in extra innings. But yes we do need another Texas team to make a long run. When will they move the World Series to a  more central location. Appleton was a very nice city but damn thats way up there for baseball.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 09, 2008, 12:56:17 PM
Wisconsin Rapids has been aggressive in putting on a quality tourney.

At D-III, you need central location with reasonable airport access and facilities, but I think that the most important thing that D-III needs is a community that has bought into the idea of the championship.

Look at what Omaha has done for the CWS!  On a similar level, we see great support for the Stagg Bowl in Salem VA.

I don't think that we will see the D-III move to the south or the west, but it is nice to have the Regionals at Driggers.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on May 09, 2008, 02:02:12 PM
Wow, i didnt realize there were so few schools outside TX in the southwest.

I talked with one of the assistant coaches from UTT not too long ago and he doesnt seem too upbeat about their chances in a regional at-large.  Understandable.

However, he did inform me about some changes at UTT that will certainly help their standing in the near future.  First off, the UTT baseball complex will expand seating in an effort to possibly host a regional tourney.  Secondly, UTT is revamping their schedule.  They are finally going to try to get Millsaps and Trinity on the schedule.  Also, some booster changes are happening at the school that will enable the baseball program to raise more money.  The athletic program use to split all contributions between programs and now each program will keep their earnings.  This could be huge for baseball because it is the real money-maker of the athletic programs at the school.  Talks have already begun of funding trips to Cali to play some of those highly ranked teams.  Adding Millsaps and Trinity will greatly enhance UTT's strength of schedule, and if they can get a Cali trip together to play some of the powerhouses there no one will be able to doubt UTT's nonconference schedule anymore.

The weak scheduling has always been the asterisk to UTT's good records in the past.  Hopefully they will recognize that their weak schedule has hurt their chances this year and really get to work on it.  A stronger schedule will do 2 things.  One, it will prepare the team for post season play, and 2 it will really gain the program some recognition.

Good things on the horizon at UTT.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 09, 2008, 02:20:40 PM
Unfortunately, Millsaps is not in-region for Baseball.

UT-Tyler needs to look to the West Coast for real competition in the West Region or it can go to the Central and Midwest Regions (Administrative Region #4). (FAQ -- see question #5.) (http://www.d3baseball.com/faq/category/NCAA+Tournament)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on May 09, 2008, 02:38:07 PM
unfortunate, but millsaps is still a better lookin team on the schedule than Hendrix  :-\
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on May 09, 2008, 03:58:28 PM
I've been told the rankings on the NCAA site are incorrect - or have been amended.

The West Region Rankings released yesterday were not correct.

From what I know - and I believe it's okay that this is public knowledge (fingers crossed) - here is the final west region ranking

1. Chapman
2. George Fox
3. McMurry
4. Concordia-Texas
5. UT-Tyler
6. Cal-State East Bay
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: OshDude on May 09, 2008, 04:07:15 PM
Quote from: mcm_sid on May 09, 2008, 03:58:28 PM
I've been told the rankings on the NCAA site are incorrect - or have been amended.

The West Region Rankings released yesterday were not correct.

From what I know - and I believe it's okay that this is public knowledge (fingers crossed) - here is the final west region ranking

1. Chapman
2. George Fox
3. McMurry
4. Concordia-Texas
5. UT-Tyler
6. Cal-State East Bay
That's more like it ... but how does something get so screwed up and then get published?
I think that's what everyone thought they would/should be.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 09, 2008, 04:09:38 PM
Quote from: OshDude on May 09, 2008, 04:07:15 PM
Quote from: mcm_sid on May 09, 2008, 03:58:28 PM
I've been told the rankings on the NCAA site are incorrect - or have been amended.

The West Region Rankings released yesterday were not correct.

From what I know - and I believe it's okay that this is public knowledge (fingers crossed) - here is the final west region ranking

1. Chapman
2. George Fox
3. McMurry
4. Concordia-Texas
5. UT-Tyler
6. Cal-State East Bay
That's more like it ... but how does something get so screwed up and then get published?
The NCAA gives us D-I alumni as interns!   :D ;D ;)

That makes much more sense!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on May 09, 2008, 04:14:10 PM
Not sure what happened there, I know for a fact that CTX and UTT were in the mix yesterday - don't know if it was simply typing errors, or they posted a poll from an older week or what. But it's looking like the Tornados are now in contention and the bottom two may be left out with the AQ's that are in order.

Stranger things have happened, however.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: OshDude on May 09, 2008, 04:25:49 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 09, 2008, 04:09:38 PM
Quote from: OshDude on May 09, 2008, 04:07:15 PM
Quote from: mcm_sid on May 09, 2008, 03:58:28 PM
I've been told the rankings on the NCAA site are incorrect - or have been amended.

The West Region Rankings released yesterday were not correct.

From what I know - and I believe it's okay that this is public knowledge (fingers crossed) - here is the final west region ranking

1. Chapman
2. George Fox
3. McMurry
4. Concordia-Texas
5. UT-Tyler
6. Cal-State East Bay
That's more like it ... but how does something get so screwed up and then get published?
The NCAA gives us D-I alumni as interns!   :D ;D ;)

That makes much more sense!
Must be the same interns who typed the Handbook. At least they got the MW Region records right this week, with no ranked "Minnestoa" teams. Baby steps ...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: atlas385 on May 09, 2008, 05:50:20 PM
I checked the link that Ralph had for the regional rankings from an earlier post, they have not changed or corrected the rankings. Where did you get you source from?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 09, 2008, 06:14:24 PM
Quote from: atlas385 on May 09, 2008, 05:50:20 PM
I checked the link that Ralph had for the regional rankings from an earlier post, they have not changed or corrected the rankings. Where did you get you source from?
;)

He may have heard it from the NCAA directly.

That  mcm_sid is a pretty savvy guy, and a great SID!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on May 10, 2008, 12:55:10 AM
Interesting shakeup in the rankings.  I guess its still possible that 3 ASC teams make it into the regional.  I watched some of the Softball regional earlier today and it featured some familiar names (Linfield, Chapman, Redlands), but there are 3 ASC teams in that regional (UTT, LC, Mary Hardin Baylor) so i guess its not out of the question for it to happen in baseball.

I wish i could go watch this regional in person.  Sounds like some really good teams will be squaring each other up.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: The U For Life on May 11, 2008, 04:02:08 AM
UT Tyler's season is over.  Maybe next year they can play a harder schedule and avoid being left out. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 11, 2008, 01:12:34 PM
U for Life,

They played a schedule that was in keeping of their location. They traveled to Abiline in the early season and played Marietta etc. Their won lost record against common opponents compared to CTX and McMurrey was better and they had a better won loss record against other teams in the region. They also won their divsion and won 3 out of 5 games in the conference championship. The did loose two games to CTX but that is really the only blemish on a great season. Other than Chapman they have the best overall record in the western region and one of the best overall records in the country. There were a couple of weaker teams in the east division this year but that is not UTT fault there were also a couple of weaker teams in the West. The big difference this year was the UTD was not as strong as a year ago.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: The U For Life on May 11, 2008, 02:08:10 PM
Texas BB,

Not trying to argue or anything but im pretty sure that UT Tyler lost to Concordia first game of the conference tourney, then beat Mississippi, and then lost again to Concordia.  So that means they couldnt have won 3 out of 5 games there.  I guess maybe your counting the Hardin Simmons games as part of the conference championship.  Also UT Tyler played two ranked teams all year.  Marietta early in the year at Abilene which they won 12-9 and the Ozarks which they took 2 of 3, but only won by 1 run each time.  They also played Hendrix  :D, the two weakest teams in the west for some reason Sul Ross and Schreiner, Jarvis Christian, and Austin College.  I know that McMurry and CTX both played Sul Ross and Schreiner but that is because they are on their side of the conference.  I just dont see the point in scheduling the weakest two teams from the other side of your conference.  How is that going to get you prepared to play the toughtest teams from that side??????  Also keep in mind im not trying to be rude or fight with you, but playing a schedule that is keeping in your location doesnt help you if slip up in the tourney.  They should have traded in a Hendrix series for someone tough.  If they wanted to stay in their location they could have tried to play Trinity.  I believe they had a great year and have a great record.  But when you look at schedules McMurry had the toughest schedule followed by CTX, and then UT Tyler.  Then you throw in the fact that they were 2-3 against Concordia on the year and 0-1 against McMurry and Concordia was 1-4 against McMurry.  I honestly feel that if UT Tyler would have played some tougher teams then they would have been more prepared for the Conference Tourney, instead of being able to breeze through most of their competition all year. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fungoman on May 11, 2008, 04:38:08 PM
It really shows how little you know U For Life. Hardin-Simmons was part of the conference championship. Do we need a math lesson to lear that 2+1 equals 3?

2 of the cross conference series' are set by the conference and we have no control over who plays who in those regards.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: The U For Life on May 11, 2008, 05:52:23 PM
Fungoman,

Im not going to argue with you, but if you would like to go back and read my original post i stated in the 3rd sentence, "I guess maybe your counting the Hardin Simmons games as part of the conference championship."  It may technically be counted as part of the conference tournament, but the way i have always looked at it; is that you have to win the cross over to get to the conference tournament.  I could be wrong in looking at it that way, but I just feel as the conference tourney doesnt start until after the cross over series.  Just my opinion and i like i said it could be wrong.  If there is anything else in my post that is incorrect, would you please point it out to me.     
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on May 11, 2008, 05:52:46 PM
Quote from: fungoman on May 11, 2008, 04:38:08 PM
It really shows how little you know U For Life. Hardin-Simmons was part of the conference championship. Do we need a math lesson to lear that 2+1 equals 3?

2 of the cross conference series' are set by the conference and we have no control over who plays who in those regards.

Wow, I guess someone on here is having a hard time accepting the fact that all the talking he did this season might come back to bite him.  
I honestly do not see UTT getting in just like Dallas back in 2000 or 2001 when they were 33-3 or close to that.  If you play a terrible schedule and do not get the auto-bid, your chances are pretty slim.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: All-AmericanFan on May 11, 2008, 06:27:39 PM
 Easy fellas....

Hey U, players and players parent's do not have control over what games they played. Did you schedule Chapman? Is U for Life really Coach Driggers? I dont think so, so ease up on UTT they had a heck of a season, just an unfortunate ending....

UTT players and parents, learn a lesson from the CTX/CUA fans you have blasted all year. Those fans talked up their team, tried to get attention, then tried to back it up and I believe did back it up. They are now in the same boat just hoping for a bid. Yet they aren't crying on here about how they've been screwed by the NCAA. Just sit back and see if you are awarded a bid, you cannot control the system no matter how much you gripe.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 11, 2008, 06:28:24 PM
I don't know how the conference works the crossover games, not do I presume to know the criteria involved in assigning the crossover games.

However, having gone thru this season, I believe that 40 games gives a coach the chance to show off his team.  Play the most challenging schedule that you can.

If I am a UT-Tyler fan, then I want to play a couple of the top teams in the East.  UT-Tyler got hit with two of the non-quad-champs this year.

I also wonder if the ASC-East penalized UT-Tyler in the OWP/OOWP.

We all know about the west coast trips that everyone has taken to get in-region games.  Another place is to go to the Metrodome where the Twins play.  Games against teams from Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa and Illinois are in-region for us, too.  St Thomas vs St Scholastica, Feb 28th, 2008 (http://www.pictureprints.net/albums.php?gallery=2119)

Both of those teams have bids, so those would be great teams to play.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: The U For Life on May 11, 2008, 07:14:48 PM
I'm not trying to be a jerk to anyone and if I have offended anyone then i am sorry.  I have stated all along that I feel like UT Tyler is a great team and has had a great year.  I also feel that if they would have played some tougher competition they would have been more prepared for the conference tourney.  I cannot stress how important it is to play a couple of tough teams a year.  Even if you lose them(and your record isnt as appealing)  it does a lot for a team.  Playing the tougher competition will allow you a glimpse of what playoff baseball is like and so therefore you wont be overwhelmed when you get there.  I recognize that UT Tyler had a very impressive season both offensively and pitching/defensively.  That is why I have stated in earlier posts that if they would have traded a couple of their series and played some tougher teams they would have played differently in the tourney.  I dont remember how many runners they left on against Concordia but i know it wasnt good.  If you look at their offensive numbers for the year, it will show you that they did not have any trouble scoring runs, but in the tourney they struggled.  Not saying they choked at all, but just that tougher competition prepares you down the road for the playoffs.  I know that it sucks for UT Tyler to have had such a great season and to most likely be on the outside looking in because they didnt win the tourney.  Is there a flaw in the system???? Maybe, but I believe if UT Tyler would have played tougher competition then their record wouldnt be as good.  On the other hand I feel they would have been a better team in the end.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 11, 2008, 07:30:49 PM
No question that in the 5th game UTT had the yips or choked howerver you word it. The had beatent CTX 2-3 at CTX earlier in the season. In the 5th game CTX had a bunch of little dink hits - texas leagers that got through and burned Campbell. They got a lot of hits off him but did not hit him real hard. UTT on the other hand had 17 base runners and only scored 3 runs. If that isn't choking then I don't know what is. But that is also baseball. Since I am a UTT fan I would hope that the entire body of their work this season would impress the decision makers. If it is an 8 team region they should make it. If it is 6 they will not.  We all are anxious if we are on the bubble. The body of work based on the criteria that is the measurement is W-L percentage in the region and W-L against common opponents. Those two marks favor UTT against some other teams in the region that are also on the bubble. All we can do is wait,
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: All-AmericanFan on May 11, 2008, 08:00:35 PM
UTT schedule...as mentioned:                                McM's tough schedule:
Hendrix                               3                                 Hendrix                          0
Sull Ross                             2                                    "                                  3
Schriener                            3                                    "                                  3
Jarvis Christian                   1                                    "                                  0
Austin College                     3                                   "                                  3
and I will throw in ETBU      3                                    "                                 3
Total vs weak teams:         16                                                                     12

Did those 4 games make the difference? Two weeks ago I would have said no the tough early schedule for McM did not make a difference because they couldn't win the series against Sull Ross in Alpine.

Baseball is about being consistent over the long haul, but getting hot at the right time. McM picked it up at the right time and won a conference championship. UTT got cold at the wrong time and showed they are like everyone else: beatable.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 11, 2008, 08:03:45 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 11, 2008, 07:30:49 PM
If it is an 8 team region they should make it. If it is 6 they will not.  We all are anxious if we are on the bubble.

Actually the committee determines the bids and then decides where to send everyone.  We could have a 6-team bracket comprised of Trinity, McMurry, CTX and UTT plus Chapman and Linfield.  The committee could fly ULV and George Fox to Wisconsin or Terre Haute or Rock Island or wherever.

We could have an 8-team bracket in Abilene (Trinity, McM, CTX, UTT, ULV, Chapman, GFU and Linfield).

How about we fly Chapman to Wisconsin to play the WIAC teams!   ;D
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 11, 2008, 08:20:55 PM
I think that most of you are missing the mark.   :)

As I ran down the Pool B and C bids, it became clear to me that we are only talking about one game, usually, separating the bid-earners and those staying at home.

Why do the majors play 162 games!  Because it takes that much time to determine a champion.  The only reason we have playoffs now is the big TV bucks.  For about one-hundred years, baseball had a "pennant race" to determine the champion.  If you had the American Association and the National League, you did not even get a "World Series" for a quarter of a century.

You only get a World Series to match the 2 pennant winners in 1901!

You don't get divisional playoffs until the NL and AL had expanded to 12 teams in 1969!

As for UT-Tyler, I hope that they will schedule more aggressively.

Go to the Metrodome and play St Thomas and St Scholastica.  McMurry had series with GFU and Chapman.  They have gone to Hawaii to play solid West Coast Teams.  TLU went to southern California this year!

I think that we have a very competitive conference.  You cannot look past a weekend.  As trite as that sounds, that is the ASC!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: The U For Life on May 11, 2008, 08:41:02 PM
I agree with you Texas BB, that the body of work is a very important piece in the selection process.  I also feel that it is like march madness where there are always a couple of teams that will be left out that you can make a case for it not being fair.  There are so many factors that go into the process,  overall record, winning % in the region, one i feel that is very important is how you finished.  Just like in march madness they factor in how a team finished the season.  There are so many things that go into a season that dont always show up in the stats or the box score.  Does UTT deserve to keep playing??? probably, but so does Concordia and George Fox.  What sucks is there is going to be someone left out that you can make a case for continuing to play.  The thing that sucks for ya'll is that you lost at the end of the season.  If you flip your record around against Concordia and you would have lost 2 of the 3 earlier in the season, but beat them both times in the tourney then im sure there would be no question of you getting in.  Who knows who would win the series if ya'll stepped on a field today and played 3 games.  But if a outsider looks at the events that occured they would probably figure that Concordia became a better team as the year went on and the end of the day was better than UTT. 

All-AmericanFan,

McMurry schedule                                   UTT schedule

George Fox      3                                     0
Chapman         3                                     0
Mary HB           3                                     0
Concordia        5      4-1                          5          2-3
UT Tyler           1      1-0                          1          0-1
Le Tournea      0                                     3

Fun facts  These two teams both played Sul Ross, Concordia, Schreiner, Austin C., each other, Marietta, Hardin Simmons, ETBU, Lousiana, and UTD.(McMurry played them on a Tuesday game and faced Mark Cox and Mark Cox beat both McMurry and UTT.

McMurrys record vs those teams                             UTT
20-7                                                                        20-6

So after all that this is the difference in schedules
McMurry                                                           UTT

Chapman 3 games                                          Ozarks  3games
George Fox   3 games                                     Le Tourneau  3games
Southwestern 2games                                    Mississippi  4 games
Trinity 1 game                                                 Northwood 1game
Wayland Baptist 1 game                                 Jarvis Christian  1game
MHB  3 games                                                 Hendrix  3games
Texas Lutheran   3 games                              Dallas U  1game
Howard Payne   3 games

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 11, 2008, 08:57:34 PM
How a team finishes a season is not a criteria that is used.  (You may see the wording in the handbook, tho'.)

On the other hand, finishing weak, with losses in tournament play, only drags down won-loss percentages, etc.,  especially when those losses come at the hands of a regionally ranked opponents, which is what conference tourneys are good for.  ;)

UT-Tyler was 30-7 (.811) before the tourney and finished 33-9 (.785).
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on May 11, 2008, 09:28:47 PM
Yeah we talked up Concordia because we knew they were a solid team and it was just a matter of time before they put it together, then it was fun to have some posters on here give us hell, and yes to come back to bite them in the ass. I do beleive with CTX preseason schedule and the way they finished te season, and their record, that in fact they deserve a spot in the regional.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 12, 2008, 09:18:35 AM
 No team other than McMurrey gets in  ??? 

The ASC is obviously not well thought of as a conference by the decision makers. I don't know much about George Fox as a team but there overall record was not impressive 28-12??

I feel bad for the student athletes at CTX, Ozarks and UTT. I would put our conference up against any in the country. I think the quality of BB played in the ASC is second to none. It is too bad that we don't get the recognition. Good luck to all the seniors as they move on!!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: All-AmericanFan on May 12, 2008, 09:37:03 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 11, 2008, 08:20:55 PM
Why do the majors play 162 games!  Because it takes that much time to determine a champion.  The only reason we have playoffs now is the big TV bucks.  For about one-hundred years, baseball had a "pennant race" to determine the champion.  If you had the American Association and the National League, you did not even get a "World Series" for a quarter of a century.

sounds, that is the ASC!

I think you bring a good point, but I would counter with the notion that maybe the game has been upgraded and MLB has realized that even the long season, the best team still needs to prove itself through Playoffs, and thats why they have added Wild Cards etc.

Look at previous World Series Champs:
07 Boston   - Best Record AL (suits your argument)
06 St. Louis - WILD CARD - Barely won 80 regular season games (my argument)
05 Chicago - Won division but not best record (mine??)
04 Boston - WILD CARD
03 Florida - WILD CARD
02 Anaheim - WILD CARD
01 Arizona - WILD CARD
97 Florida - WILD CARD

6 of the last 11 World Series Champs have been Wild Cards, which I think prove it's proving you are deserving of playoffs over the long haul, then turning it on at the right time to win a championship.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on May 12, 2008, 10:57:01 AM
They are not well respected as i stated earlier. IF they were in the New England area or in the North then UTT and Concordia would have been selected. Are any of the commitee members located in the south?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm505 on May 12, 2008, 11:14:48 AM
I thought Coach Driggers was on that committee, so there would be one from the south.  But that might be a completely different committee.  Well, with the lack of respect that the conference saw today everyone on here should cheer on the Indians to earn some respect for our conference.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on May 12, 2008, 06:11:42 PM
http://athletics.mcm.edu/Sports/baseball/2008/08baseballregional.asp (http://athletics.mcm.edu/Sports/baseball/2008/08baseballregional.asp)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: infielddad on May 12, 2008, 08:40:10 PM
Two pretty good indications of how the West Region is viewed can be gleaned by Linfield being shifted out of the West and getting a #5 seed when George Fox, which finished behind them, gets the #2 in the West.
Even more so is the treatment of Rose Hulman.
First they get in as a pool C and then they get a #4 seed with a 32-13 record.
Rose Hulman was in the SCAC for 8 years and never once made it to the SCAC Championship game.  Several years they came in ranked in the top 25 and left early.  Two years ago they pulled out of the SCAC because they could not compete at the top level with Millsaps, Trinity, Rhodes and Southwestern.
So, we are to either assume that in 2 years Rose Hulman improved so much that they are now superior to teams they could not beat over the prior 8 years, or we are to accept that the top ASC and SCAC teams are superior to Rose Hulman, which is very likely, but suffered from the blinders that would get Linfield the #5 seed and  a team that wasn't in the top 4-5 in the SCAC's a pool C.
Pretty tough to understand, or accept, if you are from UTT or Concordia or Millsaps or Rhodes.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on May 12, 2008, 09:58:55 PM
Quote from: infielddad on May 12, 2008, 08:40:10 PM
Two pretty good indications of how the West Region is viewed can be gleaned by Linfield being shifted out of the West and getting a #5 seed when George Fox, which finished behind them, gets the #2 in the West.
Even more so is the treatment of Rose Hulman.
First they get in as a pool C and then they get a #4 seed with a 32-13 record.
Rose Hulman was in the SCAC for 8 years and never once made it to the SCAC Championship game.  Several years they came in ranked in the top 25 and left early.  Two years ago they pulled out of the SCAC because they could not compete at the top level with Millsaps, Trinity, Rhodes and Southwestern.
So, we are to either assume that in 2 years Rose Hulman improved so much that they are now superior to teams they could not beat over the prior 8 years, or we are to accept that the top ASC and SCAC teams are superior to Rose Hulman, which is very likely, but suffered from the blinders that would get Linfield the #5 seed and  a team that wasn't in the top 4-5 in the SCAC's a pool C.
Pretty tough to understand, or accept, if you are from UTT or Concordia or Millsaps or Rhodes.

I find it very hard to believe George Fox gets in as a #2 while the team that finished ahead of them gets shipped somewhere else as a #5.  The biggest problem with all of this is the fact that the West is huge geographicaly but there really are not that many schools.  Oh well, its not the first time and it will not be last time we have something to question about the NCAA's thinking.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 12, 2008, 10:41:42 PM
In the D3 top 10 only one school did not receive a bid and it is an ASC school UTT. In fact it was the only school in the top 19 that did not get a bid. Of the top 25 two ASC teams did not get bids adding Ozarks. Of the total top 25 only 4 schools did not get bids so 1/2 of those were in the ASC. The only ASC team to get a bid was McMurry which was not ranked in the top 25 but did win the conference tournament. Why is it that the confernce  got so slighted?  George Fox was not rated in the top 25 but it got a pool C bid? I realize rankings do not mean anything in so far as selection but these rankings are voted on by coaches. How can the selection be on with others and so far off with one team?  Are the wise men making the selection more knowledgable than the coaches that vote. What about stats look at NCAA Div III leaders in runs, rbi's, BA, ERA, W-L all of those UTT is ranked in the top 10. Something is rotten in Denmark.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on May 13, 2008, 12:16:05 AM
I get your point, TexasBB, but it doesn't matter a bit what your total runs, RBI's, etc are.

I really don't see how they justify not having one of the UTT/CTX/UO trio in the tourney somewhere.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 13, 2008, 12:29:36 AM
Quote from: infielddad on May 12, 2008, 08:40:10 PM
Two pretty good indications of how the West Region is viewed can be gleaned by Linfield being shifted out of the West and getting a #5 seed when George Fox, which finished behind them, gets the #2 in the West.
Even more so is the treatment of Rose Hulman.
First they get in as a pool C and then they get a #4 seed with a 32-13 record.
Rose Hulman was in the SCAC for 8 years and never once made it to the SCAC Championship game.  Several years they came in ranked in the top 25 and left early.  Two years ago they pulled out of the SCAC because they could not compete at the top level with Millsaps, Trinity, Rhodes and Southwestern.
So, we are to either assume that in 2 years Rose Hulman improved so much that they are now superior to teams they could not beat over the prior 8 years, or we are to accept that the top ASC and SCAC teams are superior to Rose Hulman, which is very likely, but suffered from the blinders that would get Linfield the #5 seed and  a team that wasn't in the top 4-5 in the SCAC's a pool C.
Pretty tough to understand, or accept, if you are from UTT or Concordia or Millsaps or Rhodes.
Please remember that GFU beat Linfield 3 of 4 games, but fell short by one game to earn the NWC AQ.  (No Tourney in the NWC.)

George Fox had been in the Regional Rankings;  Linfield had not.  George Fox played a stronger in-region schedule.

Linfield was 28-9 in the West (25-7 in NWC play).  Linfield lost 2 of 3 to CSU-EB and played weaker Puget Sound and Whitman (NWC schools in non-conference games).  Linfield was not regionally ranked in the West (7th or worse) and so they got slotted in another region (to break up multiple conference bids where travel allowed it).

George Fox was 27-11 in the West. (24-8 in NWC play).  GFU won 2 of 3 vs McMurry but lost 2 of 3 to CSU-East Bay.  Going 3-3 versus West Region Ranked teams got GFU the Pool C bid, and the #2 West Region Rankings.  The games versus in-region ranked opponents is a key criterion.  As for

As for RHIT, I did not have the other data to see that they had climbed in the Mideast Region rankings in the last weekend.  Please understand that the difference that we are talking about is less than 2 games on a 40-game season.  This is proverbial "less than a car length at Darlington", to borrow a NASCAR metaphor.

Take home lesson for next year...if there is a game that you should not have lost, then that game may cost you a tourney bid.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 13, 2008, 12:42:05 AM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 12, 2008, 10:41:42 PM
In the D3 top 10 only one school did not receive a bid and it is an ASC school UTT. In fact it was the only school in the top 19 that did not get a bid. Of the top 25 two ASC teams did not get bids adding Ozarks. Of the total top 25 only 4 schools did not get bids so 1/2 of those were in the ASC. The only ASC team to get a bid was McMurry which was not ranked in the top 25 but did win the conference tournament. Why is it that the conference got so slighted?  George Fox was not rated in the top 25 but it got a pool C bid? I realize rankings do not mean anything in so far as selection but these rankings are voted on by coaches. How can the selection be on with others and so far off with one team?  Are the wise men making the selection more knowledgable than the coaches that vote. What about stats look at NCAA Div III leaders in runs, rbi's, BA, ERA, W-L all of those UTT is ranked in the top 10. Something is rotten in Denmark.
I think that the ASC was given much love in the National College Baseball Writers Association (NCBWA)/D3baseball.com poll all year.  Just to get into the Top 16 in the playoffs means that you are playing in the regional finals, all regions being equal.  The ASC is a strong well-balanced conference, but most ASC teams do not get around the country to show how good they are.  Neither the NBCWA/ D3baseball.com poll 25 baseball writers and D3veterans nor the ABCA poll (8 coaches) have any impact.

The job of the selection committee is to apply the criteria in the Handbook to the data that is collected relevant to the Selection process.  That is all that it is.  If you want to look at the best job of "coaching" in the strategic part of the job, then I think that Lee Driggers did that this year.

Coach Driggers played the best teams in the Region...Chapman (3), GFU (3), UTT (1), Trinity (1), Southwestern (SCAC tourney contender two games), ASC-West.  Even Marietta that lost the OAC pool A bid in the final game of the OAC tourney!

If UTT wants to take it to the next level, then that means that your AD, President and Coach Vilade needs to play harder non-conference (in-region) games that mean something.  If you want to see good teams, then bring some WIAC schools down here, or go to the Metrodome and play the WIAC schools there in early March.  They would love to have some fresh meat that time of the year.  Those would be national games of the week.

Are there some inequities across the system?  Yes, among 351 schools, but every school knew what it needed to do to get into the tourney.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 13, 2008, 12:59:38 AM
Quote from: CUAfan on May 13, 2008, 12:16:05 AM
I get your point, TexasBB, but it doesn't matter a bit what your total runs, RBI's, etc are.

I really don't see how they justify not having one of the UTT/CTX/UO trio in the tourney somewhere.
The committee justifies it by looking at the in-reigon record and seeing that there were bad losses that knocked out those teams.  UT-Tyler had an ugly ASC tourney!  CTX lost a game to Schreiner (or HPU) that it couldn't afford to lose.  Ozarks?  Finished 3rd in the ASC-East regular season!

IMHO, CTX was on the table when the last playoff bid was given, and I think that CTX was one in-region win away from a Pool C bid!  Of course one less loss in the ASC-West (an in-region game) and you host the tourneyDo you (CTX) win the Pool A bid (the ASC tourney) if you host the tourney?

That is how close it is!

Get the Handbook.  Learn the Handbook. Study the other teams' records.  The process requires some work, but I can understand how we got the 14 Pool C teams.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: OshDude on May 13, 2008, 01:40:59 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 13, 2008, 12:42:05 AM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 12, 2008, 10:41:42 PM
In the D3 top 10 only one school did not receive a bid and it is an ASC school UTT. In fact it was the only school in the top 19 that did not get a bid. Of the top 25 two ASC teams did not get bids adding Ozarks. Of the total top 25 only 4 schools did not get bids so 1/2 of those were in the ASC. The only ASC team to get a bid was McMurry which was not ranked in the top 25 but did win the conference tournament. Why is it that the conference got so slighted?  George Fox was not rated in the top 25 but it got a pool C bid? I realize rankings do not mean anything in so far as selection but these rankings are voted on by coaches. How can the selection be on with others and so far off with one team?  Are the wise men making the selection more knowledgable than the coaches that vote. What about stats look at NCAA Div III leaders in runs, rbi's, BA, ERA, W-L all of those UTT is ranked in the top 10. Something is rotten in Denmark.
I think that the ASC was given much love in the National College Baseball Writers Association (NCBWA)/D3baseball.com poll all year.  Just to get into the Top 16 in the playoffs means that you are playing in the regional finals, all regions being equal.  The ASC is a strong well-balanced conference, but most ASC teams do not get around the country to show how good they are.  Neither the NBCWA/ D3baseball.com poll 25 baseball writers and D3veterans nor the ABCA poll (8 coaches) have any impact.

The job of the selection committee is to apply the criteria in the Handbook to the data that is collected relevant to the Selection process.  That is all that it is.  If you want to look at the best job of "coaching" in the strategic part of the job, then I think that Lee Driggers did that this year.

Coach Driggers played the best teams in the Region...Chapman (3), GFU (3), UTT (1), Trinity (1), Southwestern (SCAC tourney contender two games), ASC-West.  Even Marietta that lost the OAC pool A bid in the final game of the OAC tourney!

If UTT wants to take it to the next level, then that means that your AD, President and Coach Vilade needs to play harder non-conference (in-region) games that mean something.  If you want to see good teams, then bring some WIAC schools down here, or go to the Metrodome and play the WIAC schools there in early March.  They would love to have some fresh meat that time of the year.  Those would be national games of the week.

Are there some inequities across the system?  Yes, among 351 schools, but every school knew what it needed to do to get into the tourney.
What Driggers did took a lot of guts, and it paid off. I hope the McMurry schedule is the blueprint for others to follow. It sure would be nice for fans like me to see watch teams like St. Thomas, St. Scholastica (when the UMAC gets a Pool A) and the WIAC threesome battle the better SoCal and Texas teams in March with bids on the line. Tell me where I can buy tickets and I'll be there.

Many Midwest teams are slowly leaning that way, although not to McMurry's extreme. For example Oshkosh played exclusively in-region games this year, including a few testers like St. Thomas and St. Scholastica in addition to the yearly Whitewater and Stevens Point testers. I like seeing the bullets fly right away instead of seeing great matchups – like Ithaca, ECSU, Kean and Marietta out west (I think) – that don't mean much besides two great teams playing each other. I'd rather see Stevens Point and the like replace the east coast teams. But I think everyone is a bit gun shy (to carry out the metaphor) of possibly having their fates decided by April 1 (for Pool C, that is). Not only having their fates decided, but also possibly securing the fates of their opponents.

Some of it comes down to good guesswork by the coaches. There's some variance among the mid- to top-ranked regional teams. A noncon in-region game with Marietta didn't turn out like some people may have thought. And there's only one Chapman out there that guarantees (practically) you OWP/OOWP, so Chapman holds a lot of cards in that situation being an independent that wants to schedule tough enough to make it, but not tough enough that it faces Oshkosh, St. Thomas and Tyler in 10 days or whatever.

Rest assured y'all are welcome to come up to the Dome and gamble your money, though. You may beat us, but I'd rather not see the same Midwest schedules every single year. If more coaches like Driggers had guts (and guessed right), we wouldn't need any more criteria than in-region record, head-to-head and record vs. common opponents.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 13, 2008, 01:50:35 AM
Thanks for the post, dude.

The specific working in the handbook is "results".

I need to ask Coach Driggers if going 2-4 versus Chapman and GFU has value because that is "6" games, "6 results", whether splitting a series is valuable.  Yeah, getting swept might not be good, but losing 2 of 3 means you ventured something that another team did not.

If getting strong in-region games against CSS, the WIAC's, St Thomas, St Olaf and other MIAC schools is beneficial if you play strong, then that might be a good road trip to make!

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: OshDude on May 13, 2008, 01:58:42 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 13, 2008, 01:50:35 AM
Thanks for the post, dude.

The specific working in the handbook is "results".

I need to ask Coach Driggers if going 2-4 versus Chapman and GFU has value because that is "6" games, "6 results", whether splitting a series is valuable.  Yeah, getting swept might not be good, but losing 2 of 3 means you ventured something that another team did not.

If getting strong in-region games against CSS, the WIAC's, St Thomas, St Olaf and other MIAC schools is beneficial if you play strong, then that might be a good road trip to make!
Let's all agree to split DH's and sleepwalk to regionals! Deal?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on May 13, 2008, 10:35:40 AM
Whatever McMurry's schedule was is a moot point, they won the league's AQ. Playing Chapman and George Fox had nothing to do with getting in and doesn't, unless you beat them. If they don't win the tournament they have at least 19 losses and they are in no consideration for a Pool C.   

I think that McMurry got to play what arguably could have been the eighth, seventh and sixth best teams in the ASC to win the conference title on their home yard. Hats off to them they beat who they had to beat to win the tournament and got into the NCAAs.

Now they have another advantage in the fact they have played three of the teams in their regional, so it should be no surprise to them. They have a good team that can hit with anyone. If they pitch like they did in the ASC tournament, I think they have a chance to win the regional.

I think it would be great to continue the great run by the ASC this year. A NCAA champ for the first time in HPU, semis in football and a trip to the World Series in softball for the first time.

As much as the rest of the traditional teams don't want to hear this - the ASC is coming and is coming strong. It took over a decade to figure this Division III thing out, but several schools and teams have and it is a matter of time. I think a lot of it has to do with more schools making the commitment to get better in their total sports program. The facilities are better, teams are spending more on travel and recruiting, and you can tell in the level of play.

I honestly think that UT-Tyler has brought a different approach to the league. They have come in and said we want to win national titles and have made that known from the administration on down. They have the resources, academic standards, facilities and right tuition prices to get that done.

The other coaches in the league have too much pride to get their teeth kicked in by Tyler. Just talking to our coaches they say this year has been the most competitive year as far as going after kids. It used to be you were fighting with three or four schools for a kid and now it is seven to 10.

When everybody is better in the league it makes it a lot more fun, than when 75 percent of your schedule is an automatic W.

Good luck to the Ind..... err McMurry baseball team this weekend. You are representing the whole league now.



Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fungoman on May 13, 2008, 10:53:45 AM
It sounds so easy to just sit here and say that you need to play a stronger in region schedule. There are many obstacles to overcome to play the teams from Cali. First off is finding a weekend to play them. Not everyone from the ASC can play Chapman and GFU every year. Another issue is travel. How much of the budget would be soaked up through flying 25 players, having hotel rooms for 2 days, and a bus? I agree playing the likes of trinity and southwestern would benefit, but not really. It sure didnt help MHB who swept trinity in 3 games this year.

The schedule is what it is, and chapman cant afford to fly here twice a year, or possibly even us go there.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on May 13, 2008, 12:50:49 PM
I beleive you still get more comp out of NAIA teams such as Texas Weslayan, Lubbock Christian, and Houston Baptist when they were not D1, and as far as the D3 route, Trinity and Southwestern always have competive programs. I dont see why you would spend the money to fly accross the country when you can get the same or bettter quality competive programs right here in TX. It woudl be nice to travel, but D3 schools dont really consider spending money on traveling for preseason games.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: itsd3baseball on May 13, 2008, 01:11:53 PM
I think everyone is going too far with the scheduling thing here.  Its not necessarily flying to Cali that is just gonna get you in automatically.  (And by the way, why do so many in here think that Cali schools are so much better than any other schools around here. )  The point is, just DONT schedule: HEndrix, Sul Ross, JArvis, Schreiner, Northwood,  or (lose 1 to) Austin College as this does not help.  It doesnt help either losing in the ASC Championship tournament.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on May 13, 2008, 01:23:56 PM
Quote from: itsd3baseball on May 13, 2008, 01:11:53 PM
I think everyone is going too far with the scheduling thing here.  Its not necessarily flying to Cali that is just gonna get you in automatically.  (And by the way, why do so many in here think that Cali schools are so much better than any other schools around here. )  The point is, just DONT schedule: HEndrix, Sul Ross, JArvis, Schreiner, Northwood,  or (lose 1 to) Austin College as this does not help.  It doesnt help either losing in the ASC Championship tournament.

I don't think everyone on here thinks the California schools are so much better than everyone.  If the SCIAC didn't have an automatic bid would they have sent anyone?  I don't know, but Chapman has showed they are by far one of the best programs in the country.  Looking at LaVerne coming in with 16 or 18 loses does not show what had to happen for them to get in.  Pomona Pitzer CHOKED in the last two weekends and went from first to fourth by getting swept twice.  If Cal Lutheran does not sweep Pomona, the LaVerne/Pomona series might have been different.  Redlands choked on the last day and lost two to Claremont M-S which is one of the reasons they are not in the tournament.  Redlands had been beating everyone all year and one bad weekend and their season is done. 
I don't feel people think the CA schools are better any more than people thinking the TX schools are better.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: itsd3baseball on May 13, 2008, 02:17:53 PM
I gotcha Mr. Park-I agree as well that some on here think that Texas (D3) baseball is king and that is more ridiculous than that of the California backers due to the lack of even 1 championship if I am correct.  Just seems to me that Vilade was right for once all season in this article saying that its just not feasable monetarily to send the kids West-  "First, we want the kids staying in class as much as possible," he said. "Secondly, we're not in a position with our budget where we can leave for California or Hawaii. I think we've lost the entire spirit of Division III sports."  (http://www.tylerpaper.com/article/20080513/SPORTS06/805130305/-1/SPORTS)- The "kids in class "statement is brutal, but even Vilade with all his power at the school cant ask for that much money!
But like many have stated-all they had to do was win the tourney!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: The U For Life on May 13, 2008, 04:13:22 PM
Driggers was smart by scheduling the teams he did.  We all knew Chapman would be here and after playing George Fox, we knew they would be as well.  Driggers scheduled the way he did because, "This is the best team, we have had since I've been here."  That is what he said and Josh Lee(Ass. Coach and also played on the 2001 and 2004 ASC Champ team) he has even stated that we were better than them.  Driggers has been preparing us for this all year.  Whats funny is after the series against Chapman the first week, we were walking through the line to shake their hand and this is what a couple of players said from each team, "We will see you at regionals."  They knew that they would be here just as we knew that we would make it.  Dont let our record fool you on what type of team we have.  We have had so many injuries all year that we havent ever been able to put it all together.  Were still not completely 100%, but we have started to play some pretty good ball as of late.  Dont know what will happen tomorrow or this tournament, but we will try and represent the ASC well.  Also i think it was bullcrap what happened to Concordia and UTT.  I knew UTT wasnt going to get in, even though they deserved it, but i was pretty sure Concordia would. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on May 13, 2008, 05:15:36 PM
Best of Luck to McMurry, and I will def keep up with the tourny at work tommorow. McMurry did a great job of announcing and a great gamelog and tracker.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 13, 2008, 10:31:55 PM
Even though I am a hard and fast UTT fan, I am also an ASC fan. Good luck to McMurrey they have a chance to win the regional. They have the best power hitting team in the tournament and if their pitching can stay competitive they can do it!! Good Luck and play hard!!! ;)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on May 13, 2008, 11:48:19 PM
Ill be pulling for McM this week too.  Represent the ASC well!  With any luck McM will pull off some big wins and our conference will get some much needed recognition.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bbnag101 on May 15, 2008, 12:39:51 AM
Extremely disappointed with McM lose today - I thought that they were a much better team.  It seemed that CSEB ran all over them. 

Also with Chapman's outing today- I wonder how the West will perform in the World Series??   The 2 strongest teams in the West did not play up to there ability.  I hope it was just first day jitters.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on May 15, 2008, 03:44:26 AM
Quote from: bbnag101 on May 15, 2008, 12:39:51 AM
Extremely disappointed with McM lose today - I thought that they were a much better team.  It seemed that CSEB ran all over them. 

Also with Chapman's outing today- I wonder how the West will perform in the World Series??   The 2 strongest teams in the West did not play up to there ability.  I hope it was just first day jitters.


They're a senior laden team and Vieira is a really solid LHP. McM really needed Curry atop his game because that rotation doesn't get a lot better. Johnston's probably more battle tested though, and like I mentioned elsewhere, this McM team has overcome adversity all year long so let's hope they come out guns blazin tomorrow and see if they can get to Luzar/Clear/Sigman...

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on May 15, 2008, 07:42:00 PM
Bummer, the lone ASC representative went 2 and done.  The regional setup was strange to me, Chapman (#1 seed) won their game and played the loser of the McM CSUE game.  Thought that was really odd, ive never seen a double elim tourney set up like that.  Anyhow its unfortunate that McM had to play Chapman after their tough first game loss.  It turned out to be a great game, hard fought for 12 innings until Chapman hit the walkoff homer.

Theres always next year.  Heres to hoping for an 8 team regional next season   :-\
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: chakote on May 15, 2008, 07:47:52 PM
Quote from: tloc14 on May 15, 2008, 07:42:00 PM
Bummer, the lone ASC representative went 2 and done.  The regional setup was strange to me, Chapman (#1 seed) won their game and played the loser of the McM CSUE game.  Thought that was really odd, ive never seen a double elim tourney set up like that.  Anyhow its unfortunate that McM had to play Chapman after their tough first game loss.  It turned out to be a great game, hard fought for 12 innings until Chapman hit the walkoff homer.

Theres always next year.  Heres to hoping for an 8 team regional next season   :-\

Trinity is still there and will play hard I am sure;  I personally think that CSEB was a little lucky last night and Trinity should have an easy game tonight.  just my 2 cents.   But it is the play offs and nothing is for sure, still have to play the games
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 15, 2008, 07:48:44 PM
This will not help the ASC to get more representatives in the future. It will only reinforce the skeptics that think our conference is not that strong.  I still think of UTT with their pitching would have likely faired better but that is meaningless at this point.  Once again the ASC we have to look to next year.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on May 15, 2008, 08:34:32 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 15, 2008, 07:48:44 PM
This will not help the ASC to get more representatives in the future. It will only reinforce the skeptics that think our conference is not that strong.  I still think of UTT with their pitching would have likely faired better but that is meaningless at this point.  Once again the ASC we have to look to next year.

I think the ASC is okay in that respect. This was the first year, aside from TLU & UTT of late that the the ASC had other representatives in the rankings w/ Ozarks and UMHB both getting a bit of love throughout the year.

In '04 TLU was the runner up in the West region to Chapman
In '05 TLU was the runner up in the West region to Chapman
In '06 UT Dallas was 3rd and TLU was 4th.

In each of these years the ASC has proven that they are a very solid conference. This year there was a lot more parity, but even with the 2 and Q I don't know that they really did all the much to diminish their credibility.

What the voters in the East know is that every year Chapman represents the West region, that's the primary reason the other conferences aren't getting much love, including the NWC sending their champion to another region where they were the #5 seed.

Anyway, just my $.02  ...

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 15, 2008, 09:26:26 PM
Respectfully, UTT's pitching was not sufficiently strong to get out of the conference.

Some of the people on the West think that UTT's pitching loaded up on the weaker ASC-East.

I think that McMurry faced 2 all-Americans in Yacko and CSU-EB'S Viera in the tournament.

The West Region has had 2 national champions in this decade, as has the Midwest and the Mid-Atlantic Regions

Vieira's stats...

Player   ERA  W-L APP GS CG SHO/CBO SV   IP  H  R  ER BB SO 2B 3B HR AB B/Avg  WP HBP BK SFA SHA
VIEIRA 3.90  10-2  15  15  0       0/1      0  90.0 92 51 39 27  59  15   5   2 348  .264     5    2    0    3     7


Vieira's 2 losses are to Chapman, and to Linfield (the #5 seed which just knocked out the #1 seed in the Central Region, Illinois Wesleyan).

Trinity is still going, and they were only 3-4 versus the ASC-West.

I agree that the ASC needs better pitching.  Maybe we can get better arms.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on May 15, 2008, 10:21:48 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 15, 2008, 09:26:26 PM
Respectfully, UTT's pitching was not sufficiently strong to get out of the conference.

Some of the people on the West think that UTT's pitching loaded up on the weaker ASC-East.

I think that McMurry faced 2 all-Americans in Yacko and CSU-EB'S Viera in the tournament.

The West Region has had 2 national champions in this decade, as has the Midwest and the Mid-Atlantic Regions

Vieira's stats...

Player   ERA  W-L APP GS CG SHO/CBO SV   IP  H  R  ER BB SO 2B 3B HR AB B/Avg  WP HBP BK SFA SHA
VIEIRA 3.90  10-2  15  15  0       0/1      0  90.0 92 51 39 27  59  15   5   2 348  .264     5    2    0    3     7


Vieira's 2 losses are to Chapman, and to Linfield (the #5 seed which just knocked out the #1 seed in the Central Region, Illinois Wesleyan).

Trinity is still going, and they were only 3-4 versus the ASC-West.

I agree that the ASC needs better pitching.  Maybe we can get better arms.



Ralph,

While I agree in theory with respect to the UTT pitching staff - I do think they had the best pitching staff in the ASC throughout the course of the season, regardless of the teams in the East.

I didn't get to follow as closely as I would've liked down the stretch, but they did have a team ERA (3.02) significantly lower than the next best team, the Ozarks (4.81). Is it a relatively thin, top heavy staff? Yes, but so are most of the teams in the West region as far as I can tell.

Did Vilade mis-handle his staff down the stretch? I don't know. What I do know, and you're going to be hard pressed to convince me there are very many guys in the ASC period that are down right dirty, is that Booher, Holland, and even Campbell who had an off year can pitch... and so can Zeigler provided he's not facing Concorida, who owned him.

Are they getting out of the West regional with that staff ? Probably not, not without the ridiculous bullpen they had in '07, BUT do they stand a better chance to win that first game or two like Trinity seems poised to do (hope I don't jinx them), then I'd have to say, yeah.

All that said, you're right. I don't know if Vieira is an all-American, but he's certainly probably on the table when the team is chosen. I was surprised Curry wasn't better on the bump, I really was, but that East Bay team can swing it, which is a testament to what Oates is doing to them right now through 6.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 15, 2008, 10:36:33 PM
Thanks for the comment, JSG.

I was pleased with the games that Smith and Gaona pitched today.  Smith can be the ace that we haven't had in a while, (Nick Shaffer or Josh Lee).

If Gaona can build on this then that might be 4 extra wins per year.

Coach Driggers has some openings for talent to move in next season.  (6 seniors starting at the positions.)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 15, 2008, 11:40:04 PM
Looking to next year Vilade will return Booher, Holland and Ziegler. So UTT will have a strong pitching nucleus returning. They will undoubtedly be picked again to win the east. It has become readily apparent however based upon the Regional selection this year that the ASC cannot count on any team other than its conference tournament champion to get a bid. This became abundantly clear when this years UTT team was the only team in the top 19 in the country to get passed by. So everything rides on the conference tournament. Thus it doesn't matter where you finish durring the regular season as long as you qualify and win the tournament. I don't see the west going to 8 teams which is too bad, but until they do we cannot count on the conference placing more than one team even if they win 35 games. :-[
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 15, 2008, 11:48:27 PM
Bases loaded, 2 outs, top of the 9th, TU 8-3. 

CSU-EB Tuttle lined out to pitcher to end the game.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on May 16, 2008, 12:50:28 AM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 15, 2008, 11:40:04 PM
we cannot count on the conference placing more than one team even if they win 35 games. :-[

There are VERY few conferences that can count on it... The ASC did do it last year with TLU and UTD, and though I have set idle and understand that UTT didn't have much flexibility with their schedule. A little bit stronger schedule OR a second place finish in the conference tournament and I suspect they have a REALLY good chance.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on May 16, 2008, 12:58:30 AM
If you do not win your conf tourny or atleast finish runner up you dont stand much of a chance of getting into the regionals...unless you played an incredible schedule and did very well in it.  UTT did not do either of those things.  In my opinion they had things set up for them to take it.  They started off with Concordia (who they beat 2/3 this year already) and stumbled...then dropped the ball again vs the same team later on.  Im a UTT supporter, but even I dont think they earned a spot this year.  Next year may be different...just depends how people come out and play.

Grats to Trinity, hope they keep it going....TX pride.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fungoman on May 16, 2008, 11:51:38 AM
I dont remember UT Dallas' strength of schedule last year, but they were not the conference runner up, and they finished 2nd in their division behind UTT as a provisional. TLU played McMurry in the championship last year.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on May 16, 2008, 12:08:50 PM
Quote from: fungoman on May 16, 2008, 11:51:38 AM
I dont remember UT Dallas' strength of schedule last year, but they were not the conference runner up, and they finished 2nd in their division behind UTT as a provisional. TLU played McMurry in the championship last year.

It wasn't all that strong in that they didn't have a West Coast trip and the only nationally ranked team they played (and lost to) was Marietta.

One thing that definitely helped is that they were 7-1 against the SCAC, including 3-0 against Austin College so when Austin College ends up winning the SCAC tournament and making the West Region playoffs, you instantly have a bit more credibility because they even -hammered- them twice near the end of the season.

The committee probably also took into account that they had one of the most prolific offenses in the country last year...

It also didn't hurt that East Bay wasn't a factor last year..

JSG


Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 16, 2008, 12:29:36 PM
Sorry that McM lost such a close one to Chapman, who so far appears overrated or at least beatable.    Having said that, watch them beat Trinity 10-2.    :-[

I'm sure the TU side would love to have the McM crew harassing the opposition at noon.   :D

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on May 16, 2008, 02:07:32 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 16, 2008, 12:29:36 PM
Sorry that McM lost such a close one to Chapman, who so far appears overrated or at least beatable.    Having said that, watch them beat Trinity 10-2.    :-[

I'm sure the TU side would love to have the McM crew harassing the opposition at noon.   :D



Most of the teams in the playoffs are capable of beating each other on any given day depending on who is on the bump. Chapman is one of the best coached teams I have ever encountered. And like Drag said, the good teams typically find a way to win the close ones, and that's what they did last night so I would refrain from any overrated comments.

Poffenroth and Sigman both seem relatively vulernable early on. You would think Chapman would like to rest Yacko if at all possible and have him available to close provided they make it to the championship tomorrow. I suspect they'll bring back Kitchens. Those Chapman pitchers are absolute horses when there are championships at stake.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on May 16, 2008, 02:07:40 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 16, 2008, 12:29:36 PM
Sorry that McM lost such a close one to Chapman, who so far appears overrated or at least beatable.    Having said that, watch them beat Trinity 10-2.    :-[

I'm sure the TU side would love to have the McM crew harassing the opposition at noon.   :D



Many might think Chapman is overrated but they can beat you two ways:  By a lot or in a close game.  They have been tested many times this season and always seem to come thru.  They are a team that never gets rattled and just heads to the park and plays.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HALLEBASEBALL on May 16, 2008, 05:14:22 PM
OUOTE FROM SOME ASC FAN

Sorry that McM lost such a close one to Chapman, who so far appears overrated or at least beatable.    Having said that, watch them beat Trinity 10-2.   

I'm sure the TU side would love to have the McM crew harassing the opposition at noon.   

Wow that is completly out of line.  Chapman is just a Baseball Team give the other teams some credit.  The players from all the teams get pumped to play Chapman the bring there best because they know that what it takes to beat them. Overrated that really gets me. The ncaa, D3baseball and I would bet 90% of the fans at the regionals agree they are the # 1 team.  That dosnt mean there not human. They are beatable however they are coached well and know how to win Baseball Games.  My son reminded me its playoff time no rankings no opions just wins.  Your out of line saying overrated and to promote heckling as you stated wishing Mc Murrry would bring to the game just dosnt sit well with me its baseball let the boys play.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gatekeper43 on May 16, 2008, 05:30:53 PM
Quote from: HALLEBASEBALL on May 16, 2008, 05:14:22 PM
OUOTE FROM SOME ASC FAN

Sorry that McM lost such a close one to Chapman, who so far appears overrated or at least beatable.    Having said that, watch them beat Trinity 10-2.   

I'm sure the TU side would love to have the McM crew harassing the opposition at noon.   

Wow that is completly out of line.  Chapman is just a Baseball Team give the other teams some credit.  The players from all the teams get pumped to play Chapman the bring there best because they know that what it takes to beat them. Overrated that really gets me. The ncaa, D3baseball and I would bet 90% of the fans at the regionals agree they are the # 1 team.  That dosnt mean there not human. They are beatable however they are coached well and know how to win Baseball Games.  My son reminded me its playoff time no rankings no opions just wins.  Your out of line saying overrated and to promote heckling as you stated wishing Mc Murrry would bring to the game just dosnt sit well with me its baseball let the boys play.

You know HALLEBASEBALL it takes class to show class and Trinity did that today!!!! with there webcast who by the way is not the host and the host team only gave us lve stats. Not to say that the Hecklers couldn't have taken up a donation to get there antics put on for the whole DIII league to see ;D Anyway they play again this afternoon and it will be refreshing to watch a class A program
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gatekeper43 on May 16, 2008, 05:49:41 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 16, 2008, 02:07:40 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 16, 2008, 12:29:36 PM
Sorry that McM lost such a close one to Chapman, who so far appears overrated or at least beatable.    Having said that, watch them beat Trinity 10-2.    :-[

I'm sure the TU side would love to have the McM crew harassing the opposition at noon.   :D



Many might think Chapman is overrated but they can beat you two ways:  By a lot or in a close game.  They have been tested many times this season and always seem to come thru.  They are a team that never gets rattled and just heads to the park and plays.

Put very well Jack :) this comes with playoff experience and depth not to say that they can't be beat but they always seem to find a way to win. when they get down by a couple they come back with three or four I have seen it all year this way. they know what it takes to win; and they just go to the sandlot and play.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 16, 2008, 05:56:45 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 16, 2008, 12:29:36 PM
Sorry that McM lost such a close one to Chapman, who so far appears overrated or at least beatable.    Having said that, watch them beat Trinity 10-2.    :-[

I'm sure the TU side would love to have the McM crew harassing the opposition at noon.   :D
Actually, Ron Boerger is one of our favorite TU/SCAC fans!!!

No malice intended by Ron!  I have "known" him on these boards for 7 years!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HALLEBASEBALL on May 16, 2008, 06:39:58 PM
After researching his posts I see that. No worries PEACE here. Iam oldschool and give every team playing this week a hats off and really want readers to know that its there game that puts them on the same level as the Panthers not the lack of play by Chapman. They are Students at the best schools in the nation that have some great  baseball programs as well
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 16, 2008, 07:59:28 PM
Quote from: HALLEBASEBALL on May 16, 2008, 06:39:58 PM
After researching his posts I see that. No worries PEACE here. Iam oldschool and give every team playing this week a hats off and really want readers to know that its there game that puts them on the same level as the Panthers not the lack of play by Chapman. They are Students at the best schools in the nation that have some great  baseball programs as well
+1!  :)

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseballroxmysox on May 16, 2008, 08:47:35 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 16, 2008, 05:56:45 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 16, 2008, 12:29:36 PM
Sorry that McM lost such a close one to Chapman, who so far appears overrated or at least beatable.    Having said that, watch them beat Trinity 10-2.    :-[

I'm sure the TU side would love to have the McM crew harassing the opposition at noon.   :D
Actually, Ron Boerger is one of our favorite TU/SCAC fans!!!

No malice intended by Ron!  I have "known" him on these boards for 7 years!

I will tell you that the PAW'S as you put it earlier Ralph on the video cast the level of professionalism by the announcers was refreshing tol isten to. they were TU fans through and through and they spoke very highly of all involved from the other team to the umpires and the fans both sides.  :)
I am very dissappointed in not being able to watch the games because of my work commitments and taking care of the rest of the famiy while my wife got to go and I don't think that the WS if we do make will be the same  as these regional games for some reason.

Maybe it is the competitiveness of these first class school programs and the Texas mentality of being baseball, apple pie, and mom, feeling that you get when you are in Texas watching the games.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 16, 2008, 08:55:36 PM
It was the Trinity folks who brought us the Miracle in Mississippi.

You California baseball fans may not have seen this highlight that won the $100,000 Pontiac Play of the Year last winter.  This is a PAWS production, and is the best of what an active parents' group can do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHbzQoXuxdU

Endzone angle of the play (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7oF4ZDigjM&feature=related)

That is still fun!  :)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on May 19, 2008, 05:38:36 PM
I saw that play on Sportscenter, it was awesome!!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: PatriotASID on May 21, 2008, 04:32:22 PM
Here is the preliminary 2009 UT Tyler Baseball Schedule, also at http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/baseball/schedule.html

Feb. 6-8 Easton Classic -
Trinity (Tex.) (NCAA Reg. Qual), Millsaps, Texas-Dallas  Irwin Field       
  Feb. 6  TBA Irwin Field  TBA     
  Feb. 7  TBA Irwin Field  TBA     
  Feb. 8  TBA Irwin Field  TBA     
  Feb. 15 Castleton (DH)  (NCAA Reg. Qual) Irwin Field  1:00 p.m.     
  Feb. 16  Castleton (NCAA Reg. Qual) Irwin Field  6:00 p.m.     
  Feb. 20 Mary Hardin-Baylor (DH) Irwin Field  6:00 p.m.     
  Feb. 21 Mary Hardin-Baylor Irwin Field  1:00 p.m.     
  Feb. 24 Hardin-Simmons Irwin Field  6:00 p.m.     
  Feb. 27 McMurry  (NCAA Reg. Qual) Abilene, Texas  6:00 p.m.     
  Feb. 28 McMurry (NCAA Reg. Qual) Abilene, Texas  1:00 p.m.     
  Mar. 3  Austin Sherman, Texas  3:00 p.m.     
  Mar. 4  Hendrix Conway, Ark.  TBA     
  Mar. 5  Hendrix Conway, Ark.  TBA     
  Mar. 9  Abilene Classic  Abilene, Texas  TBA     
  Mar. 10  Abilene Classic  Abilene, Texas  TBA     
  Mar. 13  East Texas Baptist* Irwin Field  6:00 p.m.     
  Mar. 14  East Texas Baptist* (DH)  Irwin Field  1:00 p.m.     
  Mar. 17  Texas-Dallas Irwin Field  6:00 p.m.     
  Mar. 20  Ozarks*  Clarksville, Ark.  2:00 p.m.     
  Mar. 21  Ozarks* (DH)  Clarksville, Ark.  12:00 p.m.     
  Mar. 24  Austin Irwin Field  6:00 p.m.     
  Mar. 27 Texas-Dallas* Richardson, Texas  2:00 p.m.     
  Mar. 28  Texas-Dallas* (DH)  Richardson, Texas  1:00 p.m.     
  Apr. 3  LeTourneau* (DH) Irwin Field  6:00 p.m.     
  Apr. 4  LeTourneau*  Irwin Field  1:00 p.m.     
  Apr. 7  Dallas Irwin Field  6:00 p.m.     
  Apr. 10  Louisiana Col.* Pineville, La.  6:00 p.m.     
  Apr. 11 Louisiana Col.* (DH)  Pineville, La.  1:00 p.m.     
  Apr. 17 Mississippi Col.* (DH)  Irwin Field  6:00 p.m.     
  Apr. 18  Mississippi Col.*  Irwin Field  1:00 p.m.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 21, 2008, 06:24:12 PM
Quote from: PatriotASID on May 21, 2008, 04:32:22 PM
Here is the preliminary 2009 UT Tyler Baseball Schedule, also at http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/baseball/schedule.html

Feb. 6-8 Easton Classic -
Trinity (Tex.) (NCAA Reg. Qual), Millsaps, Texas-Dallas  Irwin Field       
  Feb. 6  TBA Irwin Field  TBA     
  Feb. 7  TBA Irwin Field  TBA     
  Feb. 8  TBA Irwin Field  TBA     
  Feb. 15 Castleton (DH)  (NCAA Reg. Qual) Irwin Field  1:00 p.m.     
  Feb. 16  Castleton (NCAA Reg. Qual) Irwin Field  6:00 p.m.     
  Feb. 20 Mary Hardin-Baylor (DH) Irwin Field  6:00 p.m.     
  Feb. 21 Mary Hardin-Baylor Irwin Field  1:00 p.m.     
  Feb. 24 Hardin-Simmons Irwin Field  6:00 p.m.     
  Feb. 27 McMurry  (NCAA Reg. Qual) Abilene, Texas  6:00 p.m.     
  Feb. 28 McMurry (NCAA Reg. Qual) Abilene, Texas  1:00 p.m.     
  Mar. 3  Austin Sherman, Texas  3:00 p.m.     
  Mar. 4  Hendrix Conway, Ark.  TBA     
  Mar. 5  Hendrix Conway, Ark.  TBA     
  Mar. 9  Abilene Classic  Abilene, Texas  TBA     
  Mar. 10  Abilene Classic  Abilene, Texas  TBA     
  Mar. 13  East Texas Baptist* Irwin Field  6:00 p.m.     
  Mar. 14  East Texas Baptist* (DH)  Irwin Field  1:00 p.m.     
  Mar. 17  Texas-Dallas Irwin Field  6:00 p.m.     
  Mar. 20  Ozarks*  Clarksville, Ark.  2:00 p.m.     
  Mar. 21  Ozarks* (DH)  Clarksville, Ark.  12:00 p.m.     
  Mar. 24  Austin Irwin Field  6:00 p.m.     
  Mar. 27 Texas-Dallas* Richardson, Texas  2:00 p.m.     
  Mar. 28  Texas-Dallas* (DH)  Richardson, Texas  1:00 p.m.     
  Apr. 3  LeTourneau* (DH) Irwin Field  6:00 p.m.     
  Apr. 4  LeTourneau*  Irwin Field  1:00 p.m.     
  Apr. 7  Dallas Irwin Field  6:00 p.m.     
  Apr. 10  Louisiana Col.* Pineville, La.  6:00 p.m.     
  Apr. 11 Louisiana Col.* (DH)  Pineville, La.  1:00 p.m.     
  Apr. 17 Mississippi Col.* (DH)  Irwin Field  6:00 p.m.     
  Apr. 18  Mississippi Col.*  Irwin Field  1:00 p.m.
I have bolded all of the non-divisional in-region games.  Is McMurry on Feb 28th a DH?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ILVBB on May 21, 2008, 08:35:11 PM
I just got back from Abilene the other day. Reflecting on the tournament, I want to say thank you to all the McMurry fans as well as the kids on the  team.

I spent most of the tournament down the left field line where I got to talk with several of the McMurry parents and players. They were a great host and couldn't have been nicer to this visitor from CA.

They showed well for McMurry, Abiliene and the entire ASC!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 22, 2008, 11:05:34 PM
Thanks Ralph for posting the UTT schedule.  I don't think anybody will quible with that schedule.  Granted they have a couple of blank spots yet to fill but that is very competitive. If they win over 30 games with that schedule and still don't make the playoffs then everyone will have to wonder what is going on. ;D
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 22, 2008, 11:40:00 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 22, 2008, 11:05:34 PM
Thanks Ralph for posting the UTT schedule.  I don't think anybody will quibble with that schedule.  Granted they have a couple of blank spots yet to fill but that is very competitive. If they win over 30 games with that schedule and still don't make the playoffs then everyone will have to wonder what is going on. ;D
Actually, it was PatriotASID who gets the credit.  I count 32 or 33 in-region games.

The problem with the schedule is what we discussed on the basketball boards last season.  The OWP and the OOWP from that schedule may be too close to .500.

IMHO, Hendrix may hurt your chances unless they are much stronger.  Austin College needs to have some good teams on its schedule and have a good year.  McMurry may give you the boost to the OWP and the OOWP that they are getting by their Hawai'i trip to play some west coast powers.

Having thought this thing thru this season, we gain by playing the stronger SCAC teams.   We gain even more by playing SCIAC and NWC teams.  The next place to build a quality OWP and OOWP plus in-region record is playing the teams in Midwest Region like the WIAC's, the better MIAC's and St Scholastica and Ripon.

Seriously, go play a three-game series in the Metrodome in February!

Finally, having done the Pool B and Pool C analysis with Jim Dixon this season, losing two games in the tourney knocked out several teams across the country!  Two losses to Concordia-Texas was too much.

I think that UT-Tyler will have 32 in-region wins after the tourney next season, but only goes to the NCAA's with a Pool A bid.

There, in good faith, I have gone out on the limb.  Good luck Patriots!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 22, 2008, 11:42:26 PM
IMHO, Castleton State is a very weak Pool A bid from a weak conference in New England.  Those games are not in-region nor are they primary criteria.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on May 23, 2008, 02:59:25 AM
Derek David was named the Rawlings POTY congrats to him!!!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 23, 2008, 08:35:37 AM
Quote from: indian4life on May 23, 2008, 02:59:25 AM
Derek David was named the Rawlings POTY congrats to him!!!
That is a sweep!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 23, 2008, 01:03:02 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 22, 2008, 11:05:34 PM
Thanks Ralph for posting the UTT schedule.  I don't think anybody will quible with that schedule.  Granted they have a couple of blank spots yet to fill but that is very competitive. If they win over 30 games with that schedule and still don't make the playoffs then everyone will have to wonder what is going on. ;D

What am I missing? I don't see what's so spectacular about that schedule.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on May 23, 2008, 03:14:24 PM
I agree with Pat.  I really don't see many names on there that would make me believe it is a tough schedule.  Why have the "tournament" with only Texas schools?  I don't buy the whole money thing at all.  Look at your facilities, those cost a lot of cash, just like a trip to CA or MN.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 23, 2008, 03:18:27 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 23, 2008, 03:14:24 PM
I agree with Pat.  I really don't see many names on there that would make me believe it is a tough schedule.  Why have the "tournament" with only Texas schools?  I don't buy the whole money thing at all.  Look at your facilities, those cost a lot of cash, just like a trip to CA or MN.
UT-Tyler has tapped into state (one-time) capital improvement monies and local philanthropists who may wish to build edifices.

Raising $20,000 for a one-time trip may not be as "valuable" to the contributor as the chance to get a name on a plaque for a capital improvement.  It is actually a different type of fund raising.  :-\
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on May 23, 2008, 04:18:12 PM
Geez Ralph, breaking out the big words today ;D

I understand what youa re saying and I really have no idea about the money side of things.  Just wish D-III could travel a little more.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on May 23, 2008, 04:43:41 PM
Here's a link that'll tell you how Jonathan Miller (Concordia-Austin) fared in his first 2008 start for River City:

http://www.rivercityrascals.com/cgi-bin/dist/news.cgi?id=1210948751

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on May 23, 2008, 04:47:25 PM
I agree that a little improvement needs to be done with that schedule.  Hosting trinity and going to west tx helps, but it still has hendrix and austin college too much.

Going to Minn would be pretty cool imo.  I know from a player's perspective anytime you get to travel out of state its a great experience...especially if you play teams that you wouldnt normally see.  A trip to Cali would be very nice, but maybe that is still in the future for UTT.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 23, 2008, 05:00:38 PM
Playing in the Metrodome in late February (http://www.pictureprints.net/albums.php?gallery=2119).

These are pictures of St Scholastica vs. St Thomas.  Both are in-region for teams in Texas and both teams made the playoffs this year.

Playing them would have the equivalent impact on an OWP and OOWP as McMurry's playing George Fox and Chapman.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 23, 2008, 11:48:01 PM
The bottom line for any ASC team is that the only way to be sure to get in is win the ASC conference tournament.

UTT won 36 games but becuase it lost twice to CTX it was out. CTX beat UTT 3 out of 5 but because it lost 4 out of 5 to McM it was out. Ozarks won over 30 games but because it lost in the first round of the tournament it was out.

McM only got in because it won the confernce tournament. Had it come in second even with its tough schedule it would be out because of loosing 17 games.

The only assurance in the ASC until they go to an 8 team western regional is to win the conference tournament. The problem I have with that is the conference tournament winner only has proven it was the best or had the best draw on that single weekend.  The fact that a team can be left out and have a bad weekend at the wrong time is a killer. Not fair? Maybee but who said life is fair. You get your chance and you have to make the most of it. 

The great thing about baseball and baseball fans is there is always nextyear. I just wish it wasn't so far off!!

Good luck to all the ASC teams next year!!!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 24, 2008, 12:08:05 AM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 23, 2008, 11:48:01 PM

The only assurance in the ASC until they go to an 8 team western regional is to win the conference tournament.
...
Respectfully, no!

An 8-team regional does not mean the ASC gets a Pool C bid!

Please read the FAQ on the front page and the baseball handbook to review the way Pool C bids are awarded.

UT-Dallas went as a Pool C bid to the 6-team regional in 2007.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: chakote on May 24, 2008, 01:25:17 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 24, 2008, 12:08:05 AM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 23, 2008, 11:48:01 PM

The only assurance in the ASC until they go to an 8 team western regional is to win the conference tournament.
...
Respectfully, no!

An 8-team regional does not mean the ASC gets a Pool C bid!

Please read the FAQ on the front page and the baseball handbook to review the way Pool C bids are awarded.

UT-Dallas went as a Pool C bid to the 6-team regional in 2007.

Ralph, Jim are you guys here at the games at Fox cities? If so I would like to catch up with you one of the days you are here, we play tomorrow at 4:30 we will be at the stadium around 2 or 3 and we are home team tomorrow and will be on the third base side of the field. So if you would be kind as to introduce yourself Jim, and Ralph we have already met ;I would recognize you so hopefully we will catch up with each other tomorrow.
Passed ball from Cortland in the bottom of the ninth and scored the winnning run for Trinity what a shame to have to lose after such a great game by what looks like a very sound and talented Cortland team.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 24, 2008, 01:47:11 AM
Actually, I am working this weekend and sitting by my computer to follow the action.

Go West Region!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: chakote on May 24, 2008, 03:24:24 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 24, 2008, 01:47:11 AM
Actually, I am working this weekend and sitting by my computer to follow the action.

Go West mallllllllllRegion!

I am sory to hear that and I was really hopng to be be able to have a Iced tea with you and discuss what ever.
   Is Jim here do you know? If he is could you please pass on the info and let him know that i would love to get just one tenth of the knowledge out of him.and just get to kno him.
thanks Raloh and sorry that you couldn't make it. talk to you soon
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 24, 2008, 09:03:44 AM
Quote from: chakote on May 24, 2008, 03:24:24 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 24, 2008, 01:47:11 AM
Actually, I am working this weekend and sitting by my computer to follow the action.

Go West mallllllllllRegion!

I am sorry to hear that and I was really hoping to be be able to have a Iced tea with you and discuss what ever.
Is Jim here do you know? If he is could you please pass on the info and let him know that i would love to get just one tenth of the knowledge out of him.and just get to know him.
thanks Ralph and sorry that you couldn't make it. talk to you soon
Jim Dixon is there.  You can find his picture on the front page under "About D3basebll.com".
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 24, 2008, 10:23:15 AM
Jim is there -- he's kind of busy so he may not be trolling the message boards but he's there for all of the games, yes.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: chakote on May 24, 2008, 05:15:16 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 24, 2008, 10:23:15 AM
Jim is there -- he's kind of busy so he may not be trolling the message boards but he's there for all of the games, yes.

Pat we are over on the third base side and I am sitting with my wife and daughter, my daughter is in a wheelchair and so we will be sitting on top most likely so if you are walking around it would be a honor if you would stop and introduce yourself. Go Chapman :) ;)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 24, 2008, 06:25:52 PM
I'm sorry -- I'm working the site from home this year. Jim is our man on site.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 25, 2008, 12:18:22 AM
Ralph,

I am more than aware that an 8 team region does not guarntee that a second ASC team will be given a bid. I was also aware the UTD was given a bid in 2007.  Howerver, it has been rare that the ASC is given a second team based on the 6 team region. The chances are much better with an 8 team region. I honestly believe that if there was an 8 team region this year that another team from the ASC would have received a bid.

The confluance of events that enabled UTD to get a bid are unlikely to happen again. Honestly UTD was weaker than UTT was this year. In 2007 UTD finshed second in the ASC East. They were swept by UTT in their 3 game series. They only got the top bid because UTT was a provisional member. In the conference tournament they were beaten in the semi-finals the same as what happened to UTT this year. Their record was inferior to what UTT posted this year. They got in because the representative of the SCAIC was Austin College a team with barely a .500 record that year. They beat Austin college in the reguar season but so did UTT. In face I recall that Spence critized UTT for even playing Austin College as part of a "weak" schedule in 2007. 

Thus it was just a strange confluence of events that enabled UTD to get a bid. That is not likely to repeat itself. Thus with a 6 team region the ASC is not likely to get more than one team. With an 8 team region the probablilities improve. Granted that in theory a team from the ASC can be picked to go to another region. However that is rare and it would likely have to be Mississippi College or Louisaina College assuming their teams are good enough also possibley Ozarks. But I don't give that much of a chance either since Ozarks won 30 games this year and did not get a bid. 

The other possibility is for the ASC to split into two leages. That might happen but not for a couple of more years. I think at least 2 more teams would have to be added. So for now we can only count on the Conference champion. The likelyhood of another team with a 6 team region is I would speculate at 1 in 3 at best. With an 8 team region the probabilities go up to maybee 6 in 10. That is mere speculation on my part but no doubt an 8 team region improves the ASC's odds.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: The U For Life on May 25, 2008, 01:28:59 AM
Guess now that our season is over i can now post all the injuries and casualties we sustained through out the year.  Not that it matters but anyways here it is.

Pitcher Blaine Wieck - torn labrum
Pitcher Trey Hellman - torn labrum
Pitcher Jordan Lamb - transferred at break.  would have really helped us
Pitcher Jacob Ashcraft - problems with shoulder, probably going to have surgery this summer
Pitcher Arnold Toombs - The weirdest thing I have ever seen happen except for maybe Yurchick's injury.  While taking batting practice before the game against MHBU, in which he was scheduled to pitch he is hit with a line drive.  He was the bucket man and somehow the ball barely flew over the net and hit him in the head.  He sustained a concussion and was unable to pitch.  He never started again and was delegated to reliever
Pitche/1b Brent Voorhees - messed up shoulder in a game he pitched and won vs. Chapman first series of the year.  Later hurt it worse in freak accident against Howard Payne.  Was only able to swing with one arm the rest of the year.
Pitcher Dakota Smith - discovered he had a slight tear and extreme case of tendinitis in labrum after the Conference Championship.  Have to ask, if 100% healthy how many runs Chapman scores off him.  They only scored 3, but wonder if things would have been different.
Pitcher Aaron Redman - quit during the year because he was unhappy with playing time
Second Baseman Weston Franco - had tears in his hamstring and broke a finger in 2 spots
Second Baseman Steven Yurchick - was moved from the OF during the year.  Had a freak accident when he dove for a ball and his thigh hit the lip of the infield.  His thigh got 2 times bigger and was one of the weirdest injuries i have ever seen.
Second Baseman Greg Guse - while filling in for Nate Love at the first of the year against Chapman he tore his labrum
Catcher Thomas Beckham - pulled hamstring, re-aggravated it twice
Catcher Jeff Jackson - caught a ball wrong and his hand became swollen and missed a series or two
Outfielder Lance Jones - aggravated groin vs. SRU and had to wear a wrap the rest of the year to keep it from pulling
Outfielder Gerad Morris - extreme case of tendinitis in shoulder all year which limited him from throwing as hard as he could.  Whats weird is he still had the best arm on the team
First Baseman/ Catcher Ross Shores - quit after the TLU series because he was unhappy with playing time
Shortstop/ Second baseman Evan Reece - had nerve problems in his lower back.  This guy pushed Weston Franco in the fall to the point where coach told Weston that if he did not play well at the first of the season that Evan would be inserted.  This guy if healthy would have been great for us.  Would have put up huge numbers for us.  Lead the team in homers in the fall.

I think that about covers it.  Dont think i forgot anyone, but would be very easy to.  Didnt include the guys with arm fatigue cause every team has that late in the year. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 25, 2008, 01:50:43 AM
Texas BB, I think that you are clear on the matter of Pool C bids, but I want our readers to understand that the brackets are set up after the bids are allocated.

The biggest factor that I see in bid allocation is that Cal State East Bay is going to D-II.  That strong contender for a Pool B bid is likely going away after 2009.  Since the West Region is the only Region that requires plane flights, and since the NCAA is likely to stay with the 6-team or the 8-team brackets (unless they give an odd-number of bids, e.g., 55 bids in 2009 or 2010).

Having seen George Fox and Adrian earn Pool C bids without a conference tournament, I agree with Jim Dixon that having conference tourney inflicts 2 extra losses that only hurt the chance for a Pool C bid.

You are right about the conference bid...Win it all!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 25, 2008, 02:03:36 AM
U,

Thanks for the list.

I guess my own selfish response to players that are unhappy with the playing time (and quit) is that injuries happen.  This is a long season and teams that are going far need depth.

Baseball is a team sport.  Sometimes you will be asked to take that certain pitch or advance the runner.  As I have watched the National Championship, I have been amazed at how many teams have resorted to small-ball, especially at a large park like Grand Chute, WI.  That park is 385' to the power alleys (405' in right center) with a 25' fence!  Small ball takes much more discipline to play, especially when every pitcher is a Kitchens or a Yacko!

Several of those guys walked away from a championship and the chance to play in the West Regionals.  I don't know what else was involved in their decision, but a unique attribute about winners is that they never quit.

I was always an under-sized, under-talented athlete, but I think that my father wanted me to learn the lessons of tenacity, hard work and perseverance in the face of adversity.  Sports gives quantifiable measurements in those areas that are easier to judge than almost any other human endeavor!

That is why we really play the games!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: AGMAN on May 25, 2008, 01:22:04 PM
Quote from: The U For Life on May 25, 2008, 01:28:59 AM
Guess now that our season is over i can now post all the injuries and casualties we sustained through out the year.  Not that it matters but anyways here it is.

Pitcher Blaine Wieck - torn labrum
Pitcher Trey Hellman - torn labrum
Pitcher Jordan Lamb - transferred at break.  would have really helped us
Pitcher Jacob Ashcraft - problems with shoulder, probably going to have surgery this summer
Pitcher Arnold Toombs - The weirdest thing I have ever seen happen except for maybe Yurchick's injury.  While taking batting practice before the game against MHBU, in which he was scheduled to pitch he is hit with a line drive.  He was the bucket man and somehow the ball barely flew over the net and hit him in the head.  He sustained a concussion and was unable to pitch.  He never started again and was delegated to reliever
Pitche/1b Brent Voorhees - messed up shoulder in a game he pitched and won vs. Chapman first series of the year.  Later hurt it worse in freak accident against Howard Payne.  Was only able to swing with one arm the rest of the year.
Pitcher Dakota Smith - discovered he had a slight tear and extreme case of tendinitis in labrum after the Conference Championship.  Have to ask, if 100% healthy how many runs Chapman scores off him.  They only scored 3, but wonder if things would have been different.
Pitcher Aaron Redman - quit during the year because he was unhappy with playing time
Second Baseman Weston Franco - had tears in his hamstring and broke a finger in 2 spots
Second Baseman Steven Yurchick - was moved from the OF during the year.  Had a freak accident when he dove for a ball and his thigh hit the lip of the infield.  His thigh got 2 times bigger and was one of the weirdest injuries i have ever seen.
Second Baseman Greg Guse - while filling in for Nate Love at the first of the year against Chapman he tore his labrum
Catcher Thomas Beckham - pulled hamstring, re-aggravated it twice
Catcher Jeff Jackson - caught a ball wrong and his hand became swollen and missed a series or two
Outfielder Lance Jones - aggravated groin vs. SRU and had to wear a wrap the rest of the year to keep it from pulling
Outfielder Gerad Morris - extreme case of tendinitis in shoulder all year which limited him from throwing as hard as he could.  Whats weird is he still had the best arm on the team
First Baseman/ Catcher Ross Shores - quit after the TLU series because he was unhappy with playing time
Shortstop/ Second baseman Evan Reece - had nerve problems in his lower back.  This guy pushed Weston Franco in the fall to the point where coach told Weston that if he did not play well at the first of the season that Evan would be inserted.  This guy if healthy would have been great for us.  Would have put up huge numbers for us.  Lead the team in homers in the fall.

I think that about covers it.  Dont think i forgot anyone, but would be very easy to.  Didnt include the guys with arm fatigue cause every team has that late in the year. 


Wow, what kind of conditioning and arm care program did they have - This sure looks like an inordinate amount of injury!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: The U For Life on May 25, 2008, 06:40:38 PM
I couldn't agree more Ralph.  They walked away from something special and although we did not get as far as we would have liked, i feel we overcame a lot.  I will always be proud of our team for the heart we showed this year.  It seemed like one injury after the other. 

Agman,

Haha i know exactly what your thinking.  It was a weird weird season.  I think a couple of the injuries you can blame players being out of shape.  Hellman had taken a year off and was returning to baseball and so i feel like he might have just pushed his arm to fast and it wasnt ready for that.  I dont remember any of our pitchers having any type of injuries last year, so i guess they were all saved for this year unfortunately.  haha.  Anyways look for McMurry to have arguably the deepest pitching staff in the conference next year.  All four of the starters will return in Curry, Smith, Johnson, and Toombs.  Gaiona is coming back and pitched very well in relief at the end of  the year and Wieck should make some noise.  Also they will have Martin and Mcbride as their two lefty specialists.  The only pitchers they will be losing is Wood and Lee.  Unfortunately they will be losing 7 starting position players, so i expect the offense to take a huge step back.  Sucks to see Chapman lose in the World Series.  I was rooting for them because I love the way they play the game and they are a class act.  Unlike some good teams, they know how to win the right way.   
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 25, 2008, 07:14:55 PM
U,

As I have followed this series, it looks like the emphasis has been on small ball, especially in a park that seems bigger than any we play in.

How does a team switch gears, from setting home run records in a season, to speed, defense and pitching (almost pitching that we haven't seen in the last 2-3 years)?

Speaking as an ASC fan, second question for you or anyone else...

We didn't see UT-Tyler in the playoffs until this year.  Exclude 2007 UTT and before.  Therefore, which have been the best 3-5 pitching staffs, by season,  that we have seen in this decade?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on May 26, 2008, 02:23:29 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 25, 2008, 07:14:55 PM
Speaking as an ASC fan, second question for you or anyone else...

We didn't see UT-Tyler in the playoffs until this year.  Exclude 2007 UTT and before.  Therefore, which have been the best 3-5 pitching staffs, by season,  that we have seen in this decade?

I'll just mentioned this since we're excluding the 2007 and before UTT squad briefly. The 2007 UTT squad had quite possible the best staff in the last decade. They still had Campbell, Booher, and Holland who I like, but I wouldn't consider the best weekend rotation of the last decade, but the depth of that bullpen with Jennings, Johnson, McClure, Stutts, and Burnett was as impressive as any I've seen in D3.

CUA had a tough 3 when they had Chavez, Berkman, and Gordon...Did Steve Smith overlap with those guys one year?

TLU was stout last year with Besa, Enloe, Hull, and then Wesson, Yager, Conley, and Hembree out of the pen. Had Newman pitched like he had the rest of his TLU career, that staff probably rivals the 2007 UTT Tyler staff.

TLU also had solid staffs when they Hunn, Newman, Wallace, Enloe w/ Paras closing the door.

McM had some good pitchers come through, but never really 3 really solid weekend guys all at one time. The best year might've been 2004 with Josh Lee, Nick Shafer, and Scott Meurer. Erickson, McClure and Carrizales were solid out of the pen. The thing about that is Meurer has a better year in 2005, Erickson in 2006, and Shafter in 2007.

I know that both Miss and TLU has some solid staffs prior to the 2003-2004 season. I was surprised HSU didn't have one that stood out to me, but it seems like Coach Coleman has always done it without the filthy staff. Even when Rucker, Lay, Bishop and Tabor were all together in 2005 and then the next year with Alcorn's first year, the staff collectively (Rucker excluded) was fairly average.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 28, 2008, 08:33:51 PM
ASC SPRING 2008 DISTINGUISHED SCHOLAR-ATHLETE TEAM

(+Sport's Distinguished Scholar-Athlete)

BASEBALL
Name                             School                           Cl.           Major                        GPA           Hometown

Nick Cmerek                Concordia Texas         Jr.            Business Admin       4.0              Austin, TX
Mark Cox                        Texas-Dallas                   Gr.           MBA                           3.35             Coldspring, TX
Robby Finnell                 Ozarks                             Sr.           Political Science          3.55             Tulsa, OK

Adam Froeschl                Mary Hardin-Baylor       Sr.           Political Science          3.35             Buda, TX
Bryan George                  Louisiana College            Sr.           Biology                       3.36             Bossier City, LA

Brett Holland                   Texas-Tyler                     Jr.            Health & Kinesiology        3.49             Lindale, TX

Ray Martinez                   Schreiner                         Jr.            Biochemistry               3.34             Boerne, TX
Ryan Nokelby                 Texas Lutheran                So.           Pre-Engineering          3.88             Santa Fe, TX

Monte Piper                    Sul Ross State                 So.           History                        4.0               Houston, TX
Kyle Pope                       East Texas Baptist           So.           Accounting                  3.89             Longview, TX

Blake Shaffer                  Howard Payne                Jr.            Ex. and Sport Science 3.35             Brownwood, TX

+ Brent Voorhees            McMurry                        Sr.           Mathematics                3.91             Abilene, TX

Eric Wait                         LeTourneau                     So.           Biology                       3.74             White Oak, TX
R.C. Waters                     Hardin-Simmons             Sr.           Art                               3.93             Mesquite, TX

Tyler Williams                 Mississippi College         Sr.           Marketing                    3.58             Ridgeland, MS

From the ASC website.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 02, 2008, 08:21:55 AM
Jonathan Miller (Concordia-TX alum) got off the schneid big time last night:

http://www.rivercityrascals.com/cgi-bin/dist/news.cgi?id=1210948751
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on June 02, 2008, 02:01:49 PM
I'm not sure it's really good form to list specific players and their injuries--and/or speculation regarding their futures in this forum...

But, moving on...

Congrats to McMurry's Derek David--again.  This time for being featured in this week's issue of Sports Illustrated (the one with Josh Hamilton on the cover).  He's listed in the "Faces in the Crowd" section as a result of his consecutive games with a home run feat.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on June 05, 2008, 12:35:20 PM
Might start following that draft tracker on ESPN.com late today and tomorrow - could be a couple of ASC names show up. And possibly three from Abilene Christian, had to throw that in there, being an alum :)

http://reporternews.com/news/2008/jun/04/high-hopes-for-watten-other-locals-in-baseball/

ACU's (DII) Trey Watten drafted in 7th round by Brewers

West Region's first pick (DIII) Kurt Yacko - Chapman (8th Round - Colorado Rockies)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 06, 2008, 11:06:20 AM
This would've been cool to know about a month ago while it was going on. Sorry if it was mentioned here and I missed it.

http://www.d3baseball.com/notables/2008/06/05/5656/letourneau-foursome-roadtrips-for-the-cure.html
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on June 06, 2008, 04:41:40 PM
Another West Region player from Chapman just went: Mike Vass, RF, 35th round (1,058th overall). Vass was on the all-tournament team for the West Region Tournament at McM
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on June 06, 2008, 05:04:33 PM
Quote from: mcm_sid on June 05, 2008, 12:35:20 PM
Might start following that draft tracker on ESPN.com late today and tomorrow - could be a couple of ASC names show up. And possibly three from Abilene Christian, had to throw that in there, being an alum :)

http://reporternews.com/news/2008/jun/04/high-hopes-for-watten-other-locals-in-baseball/

ACU's (DII) Trey Watten drafted in 7th round by Brewers

West Region's first pick (DIII) Kurt Yacko - Chapman (8th Round - Colorado Rockies)

After Vass, came Evan Bronson of Trinity (Tex.) he was picked in the 36th round by the Brewers (1,088th overall); Bronson was also on the all-tournament team at the NCAA West Regional at McMurry
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on June 06, 2008, 06:56:41 PM
Quote from: mcm_sid on June 06, 2008, 05:04:33 PM
Quote from: mcm_sid on June 05, 2008, 12:35:20 PM
Might start following that draft tracker on ESPN.com late today and tomorrow - could be a couple of ASC names show up. And possibly three from Abilene Christian, had to throw that in there, being an alum :)

http://reporternews.com/news/2008/jun/04/high-hopes-for-watten-other-locals-in-baseball/

ACU's (DII) Trey Watten drafted in 7th round by Brewers

West Region's first pick (DIII) Kurt Yacko - Chapman (8th Round - Colorado Rockies)

After Vass, came Evan Bronson of Trinity (Tex.) he was picked in the 36th round by the Brewers (1,088th overall); Bronson was also on the all-tournament team at the NCAA West Regional at McMurry

1st ASC player goes in 48th Round! Brett Holand of UT-Tyler is the 1,435th overall pick to the Oakland A's.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on June 10, 2008, 02:11:22 PM
A real good arguement against putting the over emphasis on the conference tournament as the determining the regional qualifyer is exemplified by Rice's march to the D-1 College World Series.  Rice was 0-2 in the Conference USA end of the season tournament and yet was picked by the D-1 selection committee to attend the regional. Rice beat Texas to advance to the super-regional and then beat Texas A&M to advance to the College World Series.  The winner of the conference USA tournament Houston was its 4th place team didn't get out of the regional. It beat Marshal the 6th ranked team to win the conference tournament and get the automatic berth to a regional. 

If D-1 used to the same logic as D-3 does Rice would not have received a berth in the Regionals and Conference USA would not have a representative in the College World Series.

I think it is time for the ASC to consider dropping the conference tournament. The  regional selection committee puts way too much emphasis on what a team does on that single weekend. Higher ranked teams are passed over and forgoten if they don't play up to "expectations" on that weekend.  A team like Rice going 0-2 would not be given a chance if they were under DIV-III selection criteria. (You would see them drop several places in the regional rankings (like what happened to UTT this year) and fall out of contention for an at large seleciotn.) D-I does not appear to put the same level of emphasis on the one weekend and thus does'nt penalize a team that has won all year if it doesn't meet expectations.



Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on June 10, 2008, 02:55:39 PM
So how do you propose getting a conference winner? We only have one automatic bid and two divisions. You can't play a 13-week round robin. You can't go by record, because the two sides are not equal in level of play.

If you can't win a four-team tournament how are you going to win a six or eight-team regional tournament or the eight-team World Series.

UTT and the other 13 teams in the league had the same chance of getting in. There is a sure fire way to get in the tournament and that is by winning the tournament and everyone else knows it. You should prepare your team for a tournament and not the regular season. Championships are won through a tournament at every level of college baseball, that is just the nature of the game.

The other way to get into the tournament is to schedule up and win with that schedule. UTD did that in the 2007 season and they were rewarded with a berth. If you play a quality Division III schedule and win 32-34 games you are going to get in. If you play a weak one with 35 wins you are not going to get in.

Those of us that have been around the conference have seen quality teams get left out of the NCAAs several times. UMHB in football, HSU in women's hoops, UTT in baseball and others. That is the chance you take when you don't win the automatic.

Going into every year you know the format and what it takes to get to the NCAA Tournament.

Now on a peronal level I would love to see Division III go to the Division I format in baseball. Four-team regionals and then a super regional. I think you would get more quality games that way and I love to watch good baseball.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on June 10, 2008, 05:18:24 PM
Seriously the only other way of determing a confence champion is to hold a best of 3 playoff between the winners of each division. What I really doing was venting my frustration at the selection method that D-III uses as opposed to D-I. (I have done that before and know I have to get over it but it still bugs me to no end.) They need to go to an 8 team region.

I will respectfully disagree with your comments about UTD and its method of getting a berth. In 2007 UTD did not even win its division. If you recall they were swept by UTT and their W/L record and national ranking was lower in 2007  than UTTs was this past year. UTD also had the same record as UTT did in the confernce tournament 3-2 and did not make it to the finals. It was a strange confluance of events that got them in that are unlikely to repeat.  George Fox got in this year and their conference did not have a tournament. If the ASC did not have a tournament UTT would have been in and possibly also Ozarks. McMurry got in only due to their win in the conference tournament. They played a tougher schedule but also had over 15 losses. The W/L record would have kept them out.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on June 10, 2008, 05:42:48 PM
I don't think there is a lot of difference in the way that Division I does it compared to Division III. Rice would have been in the tournament even with a two and out situation in the CUSA Tournament.

The bottom line is that they both use the same criteria and one of those is your opponents winning percentage and your opponents' opponents winning percentage. When those two numbers are low you don't get in.

College of Charleston in Division I had 39 wins and was a very good team and they did not get in, why because their schedule was weak. Oklahoma in Division I had a 9-17-1 record in Big 12 play, finished eighth in the league and got into the tournament over the seventh and sixth place teams in the league.

Why? Strength of schedule.

I think the NCAA is doing its best to get the best teams in according to the rules that the members put in place.

I saw UTT eight or nine times this year and while I think they were good they were not any better or any worse than the six teams in the West regional. Could they have matched up? Yes. Could they have gone two and out? Yes. I don't think there was a big difference between Chapman and the other teams as far as talent. Their experience and one superstar out of the bull pen was the difference. He won them four close games. 

That said, I am not sure how good the West region stacks up with the rest of the country. It is pretty obvious with the results of the World Series the last eight or nine years, not very well.  Like I said in the debate during the season, the teams back East have better arms and pitching wins.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on June 10, 2008, 05:52:12 PM
The representation of DIV I in Texas in the Regionals - 8 teams (Houston, Dallas Babtist, Texas A&M, Rice, Texas, Sam Houston State, Texas Southern, TCU) the representation in DIV III - 1 team (McMurry).  I realize that Texas has more teams in DIV I but that is a riduculous diffence 8-1. Only 6 teams are picked in the entire Western Region. Something needs to change. A regional with 8 teams spread into subregions of 4 like they do in DIV I would be a start. :-[
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on June 10, 2008, 08:39:25 PM
You have to look at where the teams in the Division are.

There are a lot more Division I teams West of the Mississippi than there are Division III teams.

The majority of Division III is in the northeast and the midwest. There might not have been six teams out of the Midwest and the Northeast in the whole DI Tournament.

It is all about geography.

BTW, Trinity and McMurry make two teams out of Texas in the tournament.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 10, 2008, 10:37:28 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on June 10, 2008, 05:52:12 PM
The representation of DIV I in Texas in the Regionals - 8 teams (Houston, Dallas Babtist, Texas A&M, Rice, Texas, Sam Houston State, Texas Southern, TCU) the representation in DIV III - 1 team (McMurry).  I realize that Texas has more teams in DIV I but that is a ridiculous diffence 8-1. Only 6 teams are picked in the entire Western Region. Something needs to change. A regional with 8 teams spread into subregions of 4 like they do in DIV I would be a start. :-[
Let's look at the D-I teams that made tourney.

Houston -- C-USA Pool A bid
Dallas Baptist -- Independent Pool B bid
Texas A&M -- Big XII Pool C bid
Rice -- C-USA Pool C bid
Texas -- Big XII Pool A bid
Sam Houston State -- Southland Conference Pool A bid
Texas Southern -- Southwestern Athletic Conference Pool A bid
TCU -- Mountain West Pool A bid.

Respectfully, you have five conference winners maxing out on the automatic qualifier bids.  Every conference that has a team in Texas has a Texas team winning the Pool A bid!  Dallas Baptist got a Pool B bid as an independent!  Rice and Texas A&M got the Pool C bids that UT-Dallas got in 2007, except that D-I gives more at large (Pool C bids) bids to its tourney than D-III gets.

Secondly, D-I is where the money goes!  We cannot change that.  D-III gets 3.2% of the total NCAA budget.  We have a limited time frame for games, 18 weeks.  We start the playoffs as late as the northern schedules will let us in D-III.  There will be no other format!  No money, no time, no Omaha and no national TV coverage wire-to-wire!

Simply speaking, if the ASC can split into 2 conferences, East and West, then we get another bid.  As I was talking to Jim Dixon, I saw the Pool C teams that fell just short.  If there is a game that you should not have lost on the schedule, then that is the game that knocked you out of the tourney!  You saw how close the West Regional was.  McMurry takes Chapman to 12 innings, and there are at least 6 other teams in the ASC that think they could have been there!  Chapman went to Wisconsin by winning three one-run games and with a 12th inning walk-off two-run HR in the Regional.  In those 15 games played in Wisconsin, there was one blowout!  The national championship was that close!

UT-Tyler has an East Division Crown.  They lost twice to Concordia in the ASC.  Concordia would have hosted, if they had not lost to Schreiner.   Every team in the ASC can find a coulda/shoulda/woulda game or series.

For D-III baseball, there are so many teams that are so good, that you cannot lose a game once you start down the final stretch.  In the ASC, that means the Crossover best 2-of 3!


Edit:  Texas is the Big XII 2008 automatic qualifier. 2008 Division I Automatic Qualifiers (http://ncaa.com/uploadedFiles/Sports/Baseball/Articles/Division_I/DIBB2008AUTOMATICQUALIFIERS.pdf)     2008 Div I At-large selections (http://ncaa.com/uploadedFiles/Sports/Baseball/Articles/Division_I/DIBB2008ATLARGESELECTIONS.pdf)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on June 11, 2008, 03:49:17 PM
OK Ralph your point is well taken. Its time for me to get off this issue, the season is dead and burried.

I would however, request a lobbying effort, if you or Jim have any influence at all for expanding the west region to 8 teams. That will not only help the ASC but all the good teams in the region that got left behind. The region is hurt by the 6 team limit. Even if the ASC went to two conferences unless the region is expanded to 8 teams it would just mean one less Pool B or C bid would get a bid to the West Regional.

Thanks
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 11, 2008, 04:53:36 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on June 11, 2008, 03:49:17 PM
OK Ralph your point is well taken. Its time for me to get off this issue, the season is dead and burried.

I would however, request a lobbying effort, if you or Jim have any influence at all for expanding the west region to 8 teams. That will not only help the ASC but all the good teams in the region that got left behind. The region is hurt by the 6 team limit. Even if the ASC went to two conferences unless the region is expanded to 8 teams it would just mean one less Pool B or C bid would get a bid to the West Regional.

Thanks
Texas BB, if the Pool B's and Pool C's had fallen correctly, then we would have had an 8-team regional in Abilene.  We had the 6 West Region teams here and then Linfield was shipped to the Regional in Rock Island, IL instead of flying an extra team to Abilene to make an 8-team bracket.  Several schools were shipped "out-of-region" to fill a 6-team or an 8-team bracket.

(What if UTT had won just two more in-region games, e.g., Concordia in Feb, McMurry or HSU in Mar, Austin College or Mississippi Collge or Ozarks late in the season.  Two more in-region wins may be enough for a Pool C bid.)

Very important point, the NCAA does not pre-assign the number of teams in the various brackets before the Committee meets!  The West Region teams are only guaranteed three Pool A bids, i.e., the ASC, the NWC and the SCIAC.  If DePauw wins the SCAC, and Austin College, Southwestern, or Trinity Tx do not earn a Pool C bid, then no SCAC team likely is sent to Texas.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on June 12, 2008, 12:07:47 PM
Interesting, thanks for the clarification.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 12, 2008, 12:47:53 PM
Ralph -- how many times this season did you or Jim tell people that?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 12, 2008, 03:20:06 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on June 12, 2008, 12:47:53 PM
Ralph -- how many times this season did you or Jim tell people that?

It is almost Sisyphian!   :-\  :D
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on June 13, 2008, 11:54:56 AM
The selection is nuanced so us "dummy's" need clarification from time to time. What I got out of Ralph's response that was enlightening is that the determination of 6 or 8 team region is made at the time of selection and is not predetermined thus going to a "fixed" 8 team west regional is not an available option and even if it was would not be meaningful. The total pool of teams elligible for participation would have to be expanded and even then there would be no guarantees that the west region area would have 2 more representatives. I appreciated his  comment since it improved my understanding of the selection process even if he had stated it many times before.


An aside:

When you look at the DIV I selections it is heavily weighted to the south and west which is intersting. There are not many at large - pool selections from the northern conferences. For example the Big 12 teams exspecially the southern teams in the Big 12 are heavily represented in comparison to the Big 10.   
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 13, 2008, 06:57:28 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on June 13, 2008, 11:54:56 AM
The selection is nuanced so us "dummy's" need clarification from time to time. What I got out of Ralph's response that was enlightening is that the determination of 6 or 8 team region is made at the time of selection and is not predetermined thus going to a "fixed" 8 team west regional is not an available option and even if it was would not be meaningful. The total pool of teams eligible for participation would have to be expanded and even then there would be no guarantees that the west region area would have 2 more representatives. I appreciated his  comment since it improved my understanding of the selection process even if he had stated it many times before.


An aside:

When you look at the DIV I selections it is heavily weighted to the south and west which is interesting. There are not many at large - pool selections from the northern conferences. For example the Big 12 teams especially the southern teams in the Big 12 are heavily represented in comparison to the Big 10.   
Texas BB, I shall defer to other posters who follow D1 more closely than I, but I think that

-- the best baseball is played in the South and West, where you can get in a ton of games.
-- the better "college-bound" players from the north head to schools in this part of the country to get more "reps". (When was the last time that a northern school won the College World Series?  Ohio State 1966?)
-- there is less "competition" for that next tier of talent, the D-2 talent and D-3 talent in the north, so they are less likely to attend a baseball powerhouse schools that we see in the south and west in D-1's, D-2's and the developmental JUCO's.  (I shall defer to any trends that the recent drafts have started with respect to JUCO's.)  Therefore there are strong state schools in the north, northeast and midwest in greater predominance than we see in football and basketball.

Honestly, I don't think that the northern state schools have the dominance in football and basketball that we see in baseball, especially in pitching.  The quality conferences in baseball include the Little East, the NJAC and WIAC.  Power programs that are state schools in the north include Cortland State NY and Salisbury MD if you want to go that far south.   Restated, I think that the northern schools in D-III are relatively stronger than the other divisions because they don't have the problems with "talent dilution" that we do in the south and west.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on June 14, 2008, 12:27:32 AM
You may be right but I am not yet convincend. UT Tyler has had 2 pitchers drafted the past 2 seasons. Holland is only a junior and given the low round I think he will be back next year. Booher doesn't throw as hard and that is why he was not drafted. I am not yet convinced that the schools in Texas lack the pitching talent. If you only have 2 schools (i am including TRinity and Austin) going to the playoffs each year your chances are not good. The big 12 in D-1 had almost half the conference make the playoffs. If the ASC had 4 or 5 teams in the playoffs the chances of one of those teams making it to the DIII college word series would improve dramatically.  I guess the bottom line is that I still don't think the northeastern team are any better in fact given the fact that our schools have so many JUCO transfers I beleive ours are better just, under represented. Look what happened to Marrietta when they came down to Texas. I think if you took the national champion and brought them down to Abiline to face McMurry, Concordia, UTD, UTT, HSU, TL and MC they would be beaten up just like Marrietta was. Those schools are primarily made up of under classmen whereas the ASC is dominated by juniors and seniors that played JUCO ball as underclassmen.  Its a numbers game and we are getting the short end of the stick.  Chapman only had to take on one ASC school and barely survived. It there were multiple ASC teams they would have gone down.  I still believe the ASC is much stronger than our representation in the playoffs. Bring all of the best down to face the ASC and watch the carnage. I am that confident in the level of our talent!!! ;D
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 14, 2008, 04:08:27 AM
Marietta comes down for their spring training trip.  We ASC schools have been playing a full month longer than Marietta when they come.

The athletes that we have seen in the WIAC and the NJAC are different from the usual ASC athlete.

hsusid's post about Ohio (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4158.msg901068#msg901068).
hsusid's post about East teams (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4158.msg901012#msg901012).

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on June 15, 2008, 12:10:09 AM
Oh Well we will never really know. The ASC is under represented IMO but that will not change until they win the D-III college world series. The odds of doing so with only one or two teams making the playoffs makes that a long shot. There is always next year but the odds are going to be long again.  The confernce is stonger than it was just 5 years ago and I believe is as good as any in D-III.  I guess it takes time to earn the respect but college athletes don' t have that much time.  I feel for all of those good athletes and teams that were left out and didn't get the experience of playing the national tournament.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 15, 2008, 12:39:33 AM
Quote from: TexasBB on June 15, 2008, 12:10:09 AM
Oh Well we will never really know. The ASC is under represented IMO but that will not change until they win the D-III college world series. The odds of doing so with only one or two teams making the playoffs makes that a long shot. There is always next year but the odds are going to be long again.  The conference is stronger than it was just 5 years ago and I believe is as good as any in D-III.  I guess it takes time to earn the respect but college athletes don' t have that much time.  I feel for all of those good athletes and teams that were left out and didn't get the experience of playing the national tournament.
As a point of clarification for new readers, the NCAA has moved away from any criteria that takes into account the "reputation" or "respect" that a conference has in the selection process.  Every new year brings a fresh slate.

In fact, in other sports, we have seen recent evidence of this being implemented.  In 2004, Trinity Women's basketball was the defending national champion, and their head coach was the national chair of the selection committee.  Trinity was up for consideration as a Pool C team and did not receive it.  Most knowledgeable observers think that Trinity was on the table as one of the next 8 teams to consider when the final 2004  Pool C bid was awarded.

My recommendations to the players in 2009 are these:

1)  Learn the Handbook.  Here (http://www.ncaa.org/library/handbooks/baseball/2008/2008_d3_baseball_handbook.pdf) is the link to the 2008 Handbook.  There will not be much change from year to year.  Learn the definitions.  This year I personally guessed all 6 Pool B's correctly and hit on 19 of the 21 Pool C's.  (I thought that Concordia TX would make it.)

2) Know the definition of an in-region game and who are the in-region games on your schedule.

3) Do not lose to a team that you are strongly favored to defeat.  Do not lose a game that you should not have lost!  There is no room for error at this level of competition.  I honestly believe that 90-100 teams in D-III are good enough to make it to the 54-team field!  I have not seen a season's results of some team sitting at home, who did not have a single game or a single series for whom a different outcome might not have made the difference!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on July 02, 2008, 08:59:00 AM
Hardin-Simmons has a new athletic's web site. If you have www.hsuathletics.cstv.com as your bookmark, you will have to change it to just www.hsuathletics.com.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ATX on July 24, 2008, 12:57:11 AM
Quote from: The U For Life on May 25, 2008, 01:28:59 AM
Guess now that our season is over i can now post all the injuries and casualties we sustained through out the year.  Not that it matters but anyways here it is.

Pitcher Blaine Wieck - torn labrum
Pitcher Trey Hellman - torn labrum
Pitcher Jordan Lamb - transferred at break.  would have really helped us
Pitcher Jacob Ashcraft - problems with shoulder, probably going to have surgery this summer
Pitcher Arnold Toombs - The weirdest thing I have ever seen happen except for maybe Yurchick's injury.  While taking batting practice before the game against MHBU, in which he was scheduled to pitch he is hit with a line drive.  He was the bucket man and somehow the ball barely flew over the net and hit him in the head.  He sustained a concussion and was unable to pitch.  He never started again and was delegated to reliever
Pitche/1b Brent Voorhees - messed up shoulder in a game he pitched and won vs. Chapman first series of the year.  Later hurt it worse in freak accident against Howard Payne.  Was only able to swing with one arm the rest of the year.
Pitcher Dakota Smith - discovered he had a slight tear and extreme case of tendinitis in labrum after the Conference Championship.  Have to ask, if 100% healthy how many runs Chapman scores off him.  They only scored 3, but wonder if things would have been different.
Pitcher Aaron Redman - quit during the year because he was unhappy with playing time
Second Baseman Weston Franco - had tears in his hamstring and broke a finger in 2 spots
Second Baseman Steven Yurchick - was moved from the OF during the year.  Had a freak accident when he dove for a ball and his thigh hit the lip of the infield.  His thigh got 2 times bigger and was one of the weirdest injuries i have ever seen.
Second Baseman Greg Guse - while filling in for Nate Love at the first of the year against Chapman he tore his labrum
Catcher Thomas Beckham - pulled hamstring, re-aggravated it twice
Catcher Jeff Jackson - caught a ball wrong and his hand became swollen and missed a series or two
Outfielder Lance Jones - aggravated groin vs. SRU and had to wear a wrap the rest of the year to keep it from pulling
Outfielder Gerad Morris - extreme case of tendinitis in shoulder all year which limited him from throwing as hard as he could.  Whats weird is he still had the best arm on the team
First Baseman/ Catcher Ross Shores - quit after the TLU series because he was unhappy with playing time
Shortstop/ Second baseman Evan Reece - had nerve problems in his lower back.  This guy pushed Weston Franco in the fall to the point where coach told Weston that if he did not play well at the first of the season that Evan would be inserted.  This guy if healthy would have been great for us.  Would have put up huge numbers for us.  Lead the team in homers in the fall.

I think that about covers it.  Dont think i forgot anyone, but would be very easy to.  Didnt include the guys with arm fatigue cause every team has that late in the year. 




Thats a lot of injuries! but nothing can compare to the injuries sustained by Concordias Pitcher Garret Williamson who woulda been the ace of the staff. Those being a car wreck that left him paralyzed from the waste down at the time...by the way he is slowly but surely getting better everyday!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 24, 2008, 07:30:07 AM
Quote from: ATX on July 24, 2008, 12:57:11 AM
Quote from: The U For Life on May 25, 2008, 01:28:59 AM
Guess now that our season is over i can now post all the injuries and casualties we sustained through out the year.  Not that it matters but anyways here it is.

Pitcher Blaine Wieck - torn labrum
Pitcher Trey Hellman - torn labrum
Pitcher Jordan Lamb - transferred at break.  would have really helped us
Pitcher Jacob Ashcraft - problems with shoulder, probably going to have surgery this summer
Pitcher Arnold Toombs - The weirdest thing I have ever seen happen except for maybe Yurchick's injury.  While taking batting practice before the game against MHBU, in which he was scheduled to pitch he is hit with a line drive.  He was the bucket man and somehow the ball barely flew over the net and hit him in the head.  He sustained a concussion and was unable to pitch.  He never started again and was delegated to reliever
Pitche/1b Brent Voorhees - messed up shoulder in a game he pitched and won vs. Chapman first series of the year.  Later hurt it worse in freak accident against Howard Payne.  Was only able to swing with one arm the rest of the year.
Pitcher Dakota Smith - discovered he had a slight tear and extreme case of tendinitis in labrum after the Conference Championship.  Have to ask, if 100% healthy how many runs Chapman scores off him.  They only scored 3, but wonder if things would have been different.
Pitcher Aaron Redman - quit during the year because he was unhappy with playing time
Second Baseman Weston Franco - had tears in his hamstring and broke a finger in 2 spots
Second Baseman Steven Yurchick - was moved from the OF during the year.  Had a freak accident when he dove for a ball and his thigh hit the lip of the infield.  His thigh got 2 times bigger and was one of the weirdest injuries i have ever seen.
Second Baseman Greg Guse - while filling in for Nate Love at the first of the year against Chapman he tore his labrum
Catcher Thomas Beckham - pulled hamstring, re-aggravated it twice
Catcher Jeff Jackson - caught a ball wrong and his hand became swollen and missed a series or two
Outfielder Lance Jones - aggravated groin vs. SRU and had to wear a wrap the rest of the year to keep it from pulling
Outfielder Gerad Morris - extreme case of tendinitis in shoulder all year which limited him from throwing as hard as he could.  Whats weird is he still had the best arm on the team
First Baseman/ Catcher Ross Shores - quit after the TLU series because he was unhappy with playing time
Shortstop/ Second baseman Evan Reece - had nerve problems in his lower back.  This guy pushed Weston Franco in the fall to the point where coach told Weston that if he did not play well at the first of the season that Evan would be inserted.  This guy if healthy would have been great for us.  Would have put up huge numbers for us.  Lead the team in homers in the fall.

I think that about covers it.  Dont think i forgot anyone, but would be very easy to.  Didnt include the guys with arm fatigue cause every team has that late in the year. 

Thats a lot of injuries! but nothing can compare to the injuries sustained by Concordias Pitcher Garret Williamson who woulda been the ace of the staff. Those being a car wreck that left him paralyzed from the waste down at the time...by the way he is slowly but surely getting better everyday!
IMHO, Garrett Williamson's performance as the "ace", literally being the best pitcher on the staff with the best numbers and moving everyone down a slot in the rotation, is enough to have propelled CTX to the throne room, and possibly hosting the ASC Tourney.

I hope that all fans will remember next season how close the difference is between sitting at home and going on.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: MCM on July 26, 2008, 08:45:28 PM
Facts about players injuries should probably be legit before written.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ATX on July 29, 2008, 05:20:52 PM
Quote from: MCM on July 26, 2008, 08:45:28 PM
Facts about players injuries should probably be legit before written.

Meaning what?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on August 11, 2008, 04:43:38 PM
Coach Lee Driggers will be stepping down and looking towards coach John Byington taking over...Official announcement tommorrow.

http://athletics.mcm.edu/
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 11, 2008, 06:46:10 PM
Quote from: indian4life on August 11, 2008, 04:43:38 PM
Coach Lee Driggers will be stepping down and looking towards coach John Byington taking over...Official announcement tomorrow.

http://athletics.mcm.edu/
Thanks to Coach Driggers on the outstanding job that he has done.

This is a real win/win/win.  Coach Driggers is as fine a college baseball coach as one could want.

We wish him all of the best!

(It will be fun to hear him compare the CCIW and the ASC after about 1-2 years!   ;)  )
Title: Preseason Polls
Post by: dbat on October 14, 2008, 12:34:53 AM
I know its early and fall baseball is just wrapping up, but lets get started on some of the picks for conference for the asc next year! McMurry has lost alot of Seniors last year two big ones with Vorheas, and David.  I'm excited to see how this team responds to a new head coach over there in abiline.Mary Hardin looks to be returning alot of good talent. Garza will be back on the mound for the cru and so will Villegas.  I havent heard much about concordia. I know they will be playing thier home games at Dell Diamond stadium which will be a big relief finally getting away from that cracker jack park.  Hardin Simmons will lose pimpton, but will be getting back one of thier top pitchers barton.  Texas Lutheran looks to returning alot of players this season after a shocking losing season.  I dont understand how you can go from winning conference three seasons in a row to coming in 5th and not even making the post season.  Setting that all aside they are returning Farr who came on strong late in the season, also Harvey and Hull.  I havent heard anything about Howard Payne this offseason.  As far as Sul Ross goes I know they have a new coach down there. Maybe they will start to turn it around.  And last but not least for the west is Schreiner.  They are returning a couple of players and look to maybe make a push this season. If I had to make a pick for the west champion right now I would have to say.
1. UMHB
2. TLU
3. HSU
4. Concordia
5. McMurry
6. SU
7. HPU
8. SRS
Title: Re: Preseason Polls
Post by: BigPoppa on October 14, 2008, 02:23:25 PM
Quote from: dbat on October 14, 2008, 12:34:53 AM
I havent heard much about concordia. I know they will be playing thier home games at Dell Diamond stadium which will be a big relief finally getting away from that cracker jack park. 

Their "cracker-jack park" is one of my favorites around the nation. It had tons of character.
Title: Re: Preseason Polls
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 14, 2008, 11:12:57 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on October 14, 2008, 02:23:25 PM
Quote from: dbat on October 14, 2008, 12:34:53 AM
I havent heard much about concordia. I know they will be playing thier home games at Dell Diamond stadium which will be a big relief finally getting away from that cracker jack park. 

Their "cracker-jack park" is one of my favorites around the nation. It had tons of character.
Correction...was.

The bulldozers have just about razed the campus by now!
Title: Re: Preseason Polls
Post by: Jim Dixon on October 15, 2008, 12:57:50 PM
Quote from: dbat on October 14, 2008, 12:34:53 AM
Texas Lutheran looks to returning alot of players this season after a shocking losing season.  I dont understand how you can go from winning conference three seasons in a row to coming in 5th and not even making the post season. 

No doubt that it is because there is are a lot of talented teams in the ASC.
Title: Re: Preseason Polls
Post by: CUAfan on October 17, 2008, 06:09:07 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 14, 2008, 11:12:57 PM
The bulldozers have just about razed the campus by now!

The ballpark is long since gone. I was driving by campus a lot after the new construction started since it was on my way to work, and as I recall the gym went first followed a while later by the field. Last I saw, though, most of the rest of the campus was intact, at least as far as I could tell from I-35.

Of course, if they'll be playing at the Dell, I'll have to get out there a lot to work for the SID. :P
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 13, 2008, 01:24:19 PM
HPU's Don Shepard Field is getting a new 40' netting system to replace the old chain link fence.

http://www.brownwoodbulletin.com/articles/2008/11/13/news/doc491bb0df4394a912209000.txt
Title: Preseason thoughts Concordia
Post by: Blackcat00 on December 09, 2008, 01:08:34 PM
Hearing Gardner picked up some solid pitchers from San Jacinto Junior College and return the majority of thier offense. SHould be interesting how this team comes into play. Should be a preseason favorite for the ASC or a top contender.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on December 22, 2008, 01:20:43 PM
returning to school from the holidays and seeing the grass on the field nearing perfection is always a great time of the year. its that time of year to tighen up your spikes and get out the thermals because the best always put in a couple extra hours of work. lets hope that this year will be as exciting as the last. i also heard CTX landed a couple of horses from san jac. now its time to see if they are thoroughbreds or quarter horses. its good to be back.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on December 22, 2008, 01:43:38 PM
CTX is only playing a hand full of games at the dell diamond, all of which are non conference. their home field this year will be nelson field, an aisd field. i have seen a few high school games there, good from far, but far from good. night games could become a home field advantage, depending on how often they get to practice under the lights. lighting is poor at best.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on December 29, 2008, 01:17:00 PM
Hello ASC fans - new to the board and coming from NAIA land. Who traditionally are the strong schools within the ASC - West?

I don't necessarly disagree with the preseason ranking within this thread, but believe TLU may be underrated. Has anyone seen any of their new additions?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 29, 2008, 01:32:18 PM
Quote from: Dawgsdad on December 29, 2008, 01:17:00 PM
Hello ASC fans - new to the board and coming from NAIA land. Who traditionally are the strong schools within the ASC - West?

I don't necessarly disagree with the preseason ranking within this thread, but believe TLU may be underrated. Has anyone seen any of their new additions?
Welcome dawgsdad,

There were quad-champs in the West last season, and TLU was not one of those four teams.

The ASC-West is very tough and very balanced.  I still think that the four tourney slots are wide-open.

;)  Who is TLU getting from NAIA schools who might make an impact?   ;)

This is a very good message board.  Glad to have you!  :)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on December 29, 2008, 11:00:37 PM
Thanks for the warm welcome Ralph!

Macklin is the player I'm referring to - he's a big right hander, 6'4"+ 215 lb UT/P coming out of HTU here in Austin. Averaged 400 the last three years at HT, and had a 2.4 ERA as starter. Had a great summer season within the NYCBL for Brockport - league champions. He was used primarily as a setup/closer recording more than 25 consective scoreless innings while maintaining an ERA just over 1, was the pitcher of record in the championship game. He's very motivated to finish well this year for TLU...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on January 09, 2009, 09:09:50 AM
I am new to the board guys, but hope to contribute a bit this year. Just thought I would drop by. Start of the season is just around the corner.

Quick question for any of the Concordia people...I read on the website that coach Meyer had resigned. Just curious if he is coaching anywhere else?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on January 12, 2009, 02:21:02 PM
Not sure on Meyers status. I know they hired Scott Sheppard a former Concordia baseball player who was coaching at Sam Houston, he is the grandson of former University of Texas head coach Gustofson.
Wondering the same thing on what Meyer is going to do.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bman3 on January 15, 2009, 03:40:58 PM
I had the honor of playing for Coach Meyer a few years back and he is one of my all time favorite coaches. He was more dedicated to The University of Concordia athletics program than any person I have ever met. On the field he is as knowledgable and competitve as it gets. Off the field he is an all around guy and a dedicated family man. Being from the Round Rock area, I wouldn't be surprised to see him take one of the local High School teams to State in the near future. This guy is good!!   
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on January 16, 2009, 10:18:45 AM
Quote from: Dawgsdad on December 29, 2008, 11:00:37 PM
Thanks for the warm welcome Ralph!

Macklin is the player I'm referring to - he's a big right hander, 6'4"+ 215 lb UT/P coming out of HTU here in Austin. Averaged 400 the last three years at HT, and had a 2.4 ERA as starter. Had a great summer season within the NYCBL for Brockport - league champions. He was used primarily as a setup/closer recording more than 25 consective scoreless innings while maintaining an ERA just over 1, was the pitcher of record in the championship game. He's very motivated to finish well this year for TLU...

It's quite okay to admit that you're a proud pop. I anticipate Jeremy having a great impact on the Bulldog team this year after last years' disappointing season. Assuming you watched some of the fall season and have talked with your son, what can we expect from the Bulldogs this year?

Is Hull healthy? Depth on the mound was the downfall last year. Anyone capable of stepping up this year?

We know Farr (if healthy), Harvey, Nockelby, and Macklin can swing it. But what about defense? Is Chris Green more refined at SS this year? Is Joe Gentry the answer, someone else? After having Dusablon and Kaase there for 4 years, it was a big drop off last year.

JSG 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on January 16, 2009, 09:05:01 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on January 16, 2009, 10:18:45 AM
Quote from: Dawgsdad on December 29, 2008, 11:00:37 PM
Thanks for the warm welcome Ralph!

Macklin is the player I'm referring to - he's a big right hander, 6'4"+ 215 lb UT/P coming out of HTU here in Austin. Averaged 400 the last three years at HT, and had a 2.4 ERA as starter. Had a great summer season within the NYCBL for Brockport - league champions. He was used primarily as a setup/closer recording more than 25 consective scoreless innings while maintaining an ERA just over 1, was the pitcher of record in the championship game. He's very motivated to finish well this year for TLU...

It's quite okay to admit that you're a proud pop. I anticipate Jeremy having a great impact on the Bulldog team this year after last years' disappointing season. Assuming you watched some of the fall season and have talked with your son, what can we expect from the Bulldogs this year?

Is Hull healthy? Depth on the mound was the downfall last year. Anyone capable of stepping up this year?

We know Farr (if healthy), Harvey, Nockelby, and Macklin can swing it. But what about defense? Is Chris Green more refined at SS this year? Is Joe Gentry the answer, someone else? After having Dusablon and Kaase there for 4 years, it was a big drop off last year.

JSG 

Macklin has built a solid presence on the field.  As such, he has managed to help Green a bit given that he would be comfortable at SS as he is at 3b, or on either side of the plate. They have played together and against each over since they were young. This is not to say that there aren't going to be laspes during the season. It is hoped that Macklin's presence and effort along side of Green will elevate his play...

Errors are part of the game. Sure, you want to minimize them but the real key is what you do once they occur. Can you recover without that lapse causing you problems or in some cases the game. Jeremy's not faultless, but it's the way he reacts when he makes a mistake (or when others do) that people comment about the most. I think this has made an affect on those that play around Jeremy.  Talk is cheap - we'll just have to see how they come out of the gate!

I watched during the fall, and believe that there is a good foundation that should put this squad back on solid footing this season. Hull is good and having Hull and Jeremy playing together this summer has helped a lot. There is a lot of confidence going into this season, and believe that there is added depth on the mount.

dawgsdad
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on January 26, 2009, 06:33:00 PM
Does anyone have any comment or input as to how the ASC (west) looks like ahead of the start of play?  Who's liked, who is retooling, etc... I't just took darn quite in these area - Where's the excitement!!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 26, 2009, 06:41:38 PM
I understand that McMurry has its #1, #2 and #3 pitchers back.  There are 35 starts right there.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on January 26, 2009, 09:45:00 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 26, 2009, 06:41:38 PM
I understand that McMurry has its #1, #2 and #3 pitchers back.  There are 35 starts right there.

Thanks Ralph. That's impressive in it's own right! what else is out there lurking with this side of the conference? Any thoughts on whether TLU's last season was a fluke - they've been so strong for several years now... What about UMHB? What's this squad likely to look like?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on January 26, 2009, 11:09:13 PM
Heard Concordia got some quality pitching and a great catcher from San Jacinto. They are playing a few games at the Dell Diamond in Round Rock due to thier new field not bing done yet. Ready to see what they bring to the table this year, Im sure Gardner will have his troops ready to go.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on January 27, 2009, 07:34:28 AM
I saw Concordia picked up 3 San Jac guys, including Michael Johnson who pitched very well for them last year. With most of that lineup returning last year, they should be in good shape. I heard where they are playing a bulk of the rest of their games, and it will be interesting to see how that field comes into play. Can they ignore all the distractions of a weird practice/home game schedule? I bet if anyone can have their team ready for that, it is Gardner.

UMHB will have some holes to fill in the lineup with replacing Adam Froeschl, Steven Reinlie, and Earnest Pena, but return a very nice nucleus of Volz, Garza, Villegas, White. It will be interesting to see who they got to fill in those spots. The rotation is returning Garza and Hopper, who looked good in his freshman year last year.

McMurry losing David, Vorhees, Yurchick, Franco, Whitten will make it interesting to see how they reload offensively with a new head coach. Stephen Derrick who should be returning had a great year last year.

Hardin-Simmons lost all region player Wayne Pimpton from last year. Not too familiar with the rest of their losses, but I know they are returning some good pitching with Kyle Barton, and Tim Kriegel. Brian Weeks and Taylor Berlin had good freshman years last year, and Gage and Dixon had good years as well.

I'll let Dawgs dad fill in for TLU.

Anyone else care to mention anything on Schreiner, HPU, SRSU?

UT Tyler looks like they picked up some JUCO transfers, and they are returning some very good players from last years team. I also noticed Paige Hodges transfered from Mississippi College to Tyler.

Any comments on the east?

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on January 27, 2009, 01:27:32 PM
McMurry, UT Tyler picked to repeat as division champions in the release from the ASC website.

http://ascsports.org/News/baseball/2009/1/27/ASC_BASEBALL_PRESEASON09.asp?path=baseball

In the West:

Tom Williams (CTX) and Joseph Villegas (UMHB) were voted pre-season co-players of the year. Kyle Barton(HSU) was named pre-season pitcher of the year.

In the East:

Bruce Cameron and Cory Briggs ( Both Ozarks) were player of the year. Blake Booher (UT Tyler) was named pitcher of the year.

Congrats to all of these players.

Predicted Standings:

1. McMurry
2. UMHB
3. HSU
4. CTX
5. TLU
6. HPU
7. SU
8. SRSU

1. UT Tyler
2. Miss. College
3. Ozarks
4. UT Dallas
5. Louisiana College
6. ETBU
7. LeTourneau
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on January 27, 2009, 02:02:16 PM
This is good stuff!! I like being in the middle of the pack in the west- reduces the pressure and allows the boys to let their play do the talking...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on January 27, 2009, 02:05:58 PM
Those were not my predictions, but the Coaches and the SID's of the division's predictions.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on January 30, 2009, 02:36:54 AM
Quote from: dp643 on January 27, 2009, 07:34:28 AM

McMurry losing David, Vorhees, Yurchick, Franco, Whitten will make it interesting to see how they reload offensively with a new head coach. Stephen Derrick who should be returning had a great year last year.


Franco is still at McM along with a few transfers that should play a large role in the "Indians" season.

Derrick should be strong, but I think it is the people on the bump that will have to play a huge part in their success this year.  Defensively they still have Jackson behind the plate who has been a reliable starter the last two years (including an amazing freshman year), Nathan Love will still be somewhere up the middle...I have heard rumors about moving him to second base. 

The transfers that i know will make a difference are two Saltzgaber (hope I spelt that right) kids, one transfered from Ouachita Baptist and the other from UTSA. And a guy from the name of Lips...I believe a transfer from Navarro Junior College.  I also have heard (rumor mill) that they relieved 2 or 3 transfers over the break that will have an impact off the bump but i am not sure how they look.  That is what i have heard and what i know it should be one interesting season for the Indians as well as the whole ASC, good luck to everyone this season.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on January 30, 2009, 08:08:36 AM
My apologies about Franco. I thought he was a senior last year. Hopefully, for McMurry's sake, he can stay healthy this year and not have to deal with those freak injuries.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 02, 2009, 04:14:00 PM
Sul Ross drops their first two games of the season yesterday.

http://www.sulross.edu/pages/6222.asp?ssid=2412&nid=2730
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on February 02, 2009, 04:45:27 PM
Any predictions on the Chapman/McMurry series this weekend?

Oddly, this is already a HUGE in-region series for Chapman after dropping two of three to Whittier over the weekend.

Was Kitchens' outing a sign of things to come or just a bump in the road?

How will McMurry respond to the loss of National Player of the Year, Derek David?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 02, 2009, 05:55:19 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on February 02, 2009, 04:45:27 PM
Any predictions on the Chapman/McMurry series this weekend?

Oddly, this is already a HUGE in-region series for Chapman after dropping two of three to Whittier over the weekend.

Was Kitchens' outing a sign of things to come or just a bump in the road?

How will McMurry respond to the loss of National Player of the Year, Derek David?
I am counting on pitching and defense.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 02, 2009, 06:04:17 PM
Will be interesting to see how this series plays out.

There are some other very interesting match ups this weekend with Tyler, UT Dallas, Concordia, and Trinity playing a mini-tournament.

UMHB plays Southwestern in a double header tomorrow as well with Southwestern returning most of their team from last year.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 02, 2009, 06:44:36 PM
I saw the proposed location of the field at CTX on Saturday.

The light standards have been erected.  I was told that was easier than storing them.

The field is on the top of a hill, so I can imagine that the south wind blowing in may make it less of a hitter's park, if the fences are decent distances.  You might get a crosswind to blow from right to left.  I could not tell exactly the "azimuth" for the right field fair/foul line.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 03, 2009, 05:44:35 PM
UMHB drops game one to Southwestern 6-0. Game two is about to start.
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Post by: dp643 on February 03, 2009, 08:21:05 PM
UMHB wins Game 2 8-1. More details to come.
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Post by: mcmguy19 on February 03, 2009, 10:05:29 PM
I feel that Chapman after lost the Indian killer (Kurt Yacko) that MCM has a good chance of taking this series.  It will be hard for MCM to feel gaps from the srs. that left last year.  But I will give MCM the series 2 of 3 from Chapman. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 03, 2009, 10:10:26 PM
Quote from: mcmguy19 on February 03, 2009, 10:05:29 PM
I feel that Chapman after lost the Indian killer (Kurt Yacko) that MCM has a good chance of taking this series.  It will be hard for MCM to feel gaps from the srs. that left last year.  But I will give MCM the series 2 of 3 from Chapman. 
Welcome mcmguy19!  Glad to have more posters on the boards!

Will you be going to the McM-Chapman series?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseballroxmysox on February 06, 2009, 12:44:23 AM
Quote from: mcmguy19 on February 03, 2009, 10:05:29 PM
I feel that Chapman after lost the Indian killer (Kurt Yacko) that MCM has a good chance of taking this series.  It will be hard for MCM to feel gaps from the srs. that left last year.  But I will give MCM the series 2 of 3 from Chapman. 

It looks like it should be a good series too watch.  Last year Chapman took the series with 2 games.  BUT they were close:

Game 1 - Chapman      14    Yacko pitched 3 inning
                McMurry     12

Game 2 - McMurry      5
               Chapman    2        Yacko pitched 2.2

Game 3 - Chapman      7       Yacko pitched 1.2
              McMurry      6

Kitchens did not play in the series last year.  And with David gone who knows what will happen.  YET he didn't have too many RBI's against them... it looks like Morris is the guy that they need to watch.

It really makes this an exciting game to watch.  Wish I could be there :'(

** fixed typo on first game **
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: DIIIBASEBALLFAN on February 06, 2009, 01:27:18 AM
Chapman vs McMurry series starts on Friday....

Lets see if Chapman can bounce back from last weekend.

Will Chapmans bats stay hot and defense solid ?

Will Kitchens bounce back ?  Will other Chapman pitchers be able to hold leads or keep the runs scored down....

Should be a great series..... :)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmguy19 on February 06, 2009, 09:40:46 AM
MCM did get alot of recruits in that will fill in for David.  He is a hard act to follow with 26 hrs and tons of rbi's and such.  This mcm team is young but has the talent to make a run at the SERIES!! 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmguy19 on February 06, 2009, 11:15:56 AM
Hey ralph I use to have an other ID but forgot the password so i made a new one up!!!! Haha you going to be going to any MCM baseball games this season...i might be going to see the Saturday series against Chapman.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 06, 2009, 11:23:47 AM
Quote from: mcmguy19 on February 06, 2009, 11:15:56 AM
Hey ralph I use to have an other ID but forgot the password so i made a new one up!!!! Haha you going to be going to any MCM baseball games this season...i might be going to see the Saturday series against Chapman.
I am planning on going to the Chapman series.

Email me!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 06, 2009, 04:33:24 PM
UMHB is tied 3-3 in the top of the 5th against Texas Wesleyan. Volz has a HR for The Cru.

Concordia is up 1-0 in the top of the 3rd. Tom Williams left off where he did last year with a HR his first AB of the season.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 06, 2009, 04:36:54 PM
forgot to mention Concordia is playing UT Dallas, Drew Waggoner is on the bump for the Comets.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: DIIIBASEBALLFAN on February 06, 2009, 05:02:21 PM
Chapman 8 McMurry 1  top of 6th
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 06, 2009, 05:11:38 PM
UMHB losing 8-4 going into the bottom of the 5th.

Jared Smith for UTD hit a 3 run homer to give them the lead 3-2 going into the top of the 5th.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 06, 2009, 06:20:18 PM
UMHB Loses 9-6.

Concordia and UTD are tied in the 8th 5-5
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Post by: Blackcat00 on February 06, 2009, 06:35:49 PM
Tom Williams 1st at bat hit a homer. not bad. Great game so far.
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Post by: Dawgsdad on February 06, 2009, 08:05:52 PM
Any updates on the CTX UTD game?
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Post by: baseballroxmysox on February 06, 2009, 09:40:34 PM
McMurry drops season opener to second-ranked Chapman, 9-1

Box Scorehttp://athletics.mcm.edu/Pdfs/baseball/2009/2/6/2-6-09.htm (http://athletics.mcm.edu/Pdfs/baseball/2009/2/6/2-6-09.htm)

ABILENE – Second-ranked Chapman University (Calif.) tallied 16 hits en route to knocking off McMurry, 9-1, Friday afternoon in McMurry's season opener at Walt Driggers Field.

The win pushes Chapman to 2-2 on the year while the loss drops McMurry to 0-1.  The teams will finish their three-game set on Saturday with a doubleheader beginning at 1 p.m.

Chapman ace Wayde Kitchens threw a gem for the Panthers as he pitched eight innings and only surrendered three hits and one unearned run.  Kitchens also struck out 10 batters and only walked three. 

Chapman scored four runs for Kitchens in the top of the third to get things rolling.  The Panthers added two more runs in the fourth, two in the sixth and one insurance run in the ninth to finish out the scoring. 

McMurry's lone run came in the bottom of the fifth when senior shortstop Nathan Love laid down a sacrifice bunt and reached base by virtue of an error by Chapman second baseman Tyler Hadzinsky, which subsequently allowed McMurry sophomore rightfielder Jake Mullin to score from second base.  But Kitchens rebounded from that unearned run and kept the McMurry bats relatively at bay the rest of the way. 

Senior Cody Curry took the loss as he went three innings and gave up four earned runs on six hits.  Curry also struck out three batters and walked four.

Senior designated hitter Weston Franco, sophomore catcher Blake Nichols, senior second baseman Tre Lips, and junior catcher Jeff Jackson each respectively got a hit for McMurry.  Lips' double was the only extra-base hit for McMurry.

John Semel went 4 for 5 for Chapman with two runs scored and two RBI, including a solo home run over the left field fence in the top of the ninth.

Chapman is now 7-3 all time against McMurry.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on February 06, 2009, 10:49:16 PM
Quote from: baseballroxmysox on February 06, 2009, 12:44:23 AM

Game 1 - Chapman      12    Yacko pitched 3 inning
                McMurry     0


Not to get nit picky but i do want to point out the first game last year was a slugfest and i believe it was 14-15 Chapman...And well it seems as if the first game for the Indians did not go as well as they had hoped...The starting pitching has to be better tomorrow if they want to compete with Chapman. Everyone in the country knows that they will hit the ball and with that hitters ballpark out in Abilene the games can get out of hand in a hurry.  I am not sure how Cahpman looks after Kitchens but i have heard that he looked very good tonight.  Well good luck to both the teams tomorrow it should be a fun one.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseballroxmysox on February 06, 2009, 11:12:53 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 06, 2009, 11:23:47 AM
Quote from: mcmguy19 on February 06, 2009, 11:15:56 AM
Hey ralph I use to have an other ID but forgot the password so i made a new one up!!!! Haha you going to be going to any MCM baseball games this season...i might be going to see the Saturday series against Chapman.
I am planning on going to the Chapman series.


Ralph - what was your take of the game today?  I hear the wind was blowing 20 mph. How did Curry (West Division Pitcher of the Year )and Kitchens (All-Independent Pitcher of the Year) look? 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 06, 2009, 11:32:09 PM
Quote from: baseballroxmysox on February 06, 2009, 11:12:53 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 06, 2009, 11:23:47 AM
Quote from: mcmguy19 on February 06, 2009, 11:15:56 AM
Hey ralph I use to have an other ID but forgot the password so i made a new one up!!!! Haha you going to be going to any MCM baseball games this season...i might be going to see the Saturday series against Chapman.
I am planning on going to the Chapman series.


Ralph - what was your take of the game today?  I hear the wind was blowing 20 mph. How did Curry (West Division Pitcher of the Year )and Kitchens (All-Independent Pitcher of the Year) look? 
I "snuck" peeks at the Livestats at work.   ;)

From which direction was the wind blowing?

McMurry usually can handle the wind regardless of the direction from which it blows.  (I will take input from more knowledgeable fans and former players, but wind blowing straight out to center is neutral, kinda like Wrigley Field.)

By the boxscore...

Curry got hit the second time around in the batting order, after #9 batter Robbins got a double to lead off in the 3rd.

Semchenko did not fare much better in 2.2 innings.

Cory Davis went a nice 3.1 innings to finish the game.

Kitchens just shut McMurry down. It was his second outing of the season, so he may be ahead in that area.  Chapman has a bunch of 2009 seniors whom I saw in Abilene in 2007.

http://athletics.mcm.edu/Sports/baseball/2007/archive_bsb_stats.asp

The second and third starters may be more instructive.  We (McM) don't have a Nick Schafer to pitch in game #2 tomorrow.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseballroxmysox on February 06, 2009, 11:39:11 PM
I must say I REALLY LOVE the livestats ability.  It would be nice if all the schools had it. 

Not sure about the wind - just what I heard. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on February 07, 2009, 12:19:12 AM
The wind was howling in Abilene today. It was a launching pad at Hunter Field across town. It was 25 consistently with gusts to 38 MPH out of the South (more of a mid to late March day). At Hunter Field that makes right center and right a air tunnel out at McMurry that is pushing the ball down to right and pushing it across to left.

South winds are more of an advantage at HSU on days like this. There were nine HRs at HSU in our game with University of the SW (formerly CSW). It was not a good day for HSU pitching in a 23-10 loss, but the top five guys in the HSU order went deep. Three were no doubters and two were for sure wind-aided.

Pitching was an issue today, but it was not a pitcher's day at the yard and only one guy expected to throw on the weekends threw today.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on February 07, 2009, 01:10:18 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 06, 2009, 11:32:09 PM

The second and third starters may be more instructive.  We (McM) don't have a Nick Schafer to pitch in game #2 tomorrow.

This is true Ralph but we do have a Dakota Smith who last season ended the year with one amazing game against Chapman and beat several good teams throughout the year...In the second game with Kyle Martin on the mound, it will be interesting.  For Martin I believe this is his first start at McM and as showed amazing stuff out of the pen (even though his stats may not show it).  All I can say is watch out cause I think the Indians will shed some light tomorrow on what to look forward to for the rest of the year.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 07, 2009, 02:19:10 PM
[10 second pause]

Strike

[10 second pause]

Ball high

[12 second pause]

Fouled back. Strike Two.


This is what I'm listening to while trying to listen to the TLU vs. Austin College broadcast.

Look, I get it. I understand that it is often hard to field a staff of people around an SID at a small school, but there has to someone knowledgeable enough about the game of baseball (this guy seems to know it decent enough) that would be passionate enough about his school's team to make an attempt at giving a damn about the broadcast.

Could teams use someone from the JV roster? Someone that doesn't dress out?

It's not hard to do a little bit of research and tell me what a guy did last year, what year he is, etc. when he's at the plate so I'm not just hearing a really, really dry play by play.

Tell me that someone has a penchant for striking out, but that he goes yard once every 12 at-bats. Tell me he's looking to redeem himself for making a crucial error in the 2nd that led to 2 unearned runs. Was he on that pitch or does he look like a fool flailing around up there?

It's quite possible I'm asking way too much considering the resources of most of these D3 teams, but I'm not convinced it can't be done.

Please weigh in.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: shels on February 07, 2009, 02:31:59 PM
I don't  usually post and I know what you are talking about as I am listening to the same broadcast...but, I would rather have this than nothing if I can't be there.  Just my opinion.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 07, 2009, 02:39:46 PM
UMHB traveled to take on Texas Wesleyan today in a double header. No live stats but just heard they were down 9-5 in the top of the 4th.


I'm watching a pretty good UT Dallas, Trinity game on the live stats. Looks like UT Dallas may be much improved from last year, although its obviously too early to tell. They are leading Trinity 6-5 in the top of the 8th. They hit Bronson a little bit.

Good tournament up at Tyler to start the series with Trinity, Concordia, UTD, and Taylor.

Concordia beat UT Tyler last night 5-3. They scored 4 runs early on Brett Holland, 3 unearned. Michael Johnson looked like he silenced the Tyler lineup, and that isnt an easy thing to do. Looks like the San Jac guys Concordia got are making a huge impact already.  Looks like Szkotak might be their "closer" this year.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 07, 2009, 05:13:38 PM
UMHB drops game 1 14-12 after scoring 7 in the 6th. Game two is TWU 1 UMHB 0 in the 3rd.

Concordia is up 5-1 on UTD going into the bottom of the 5th.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 07, 2009, 06:00:04 PM
Concordia 8 UT Dallas 3....Concordia still batting in the bottom of the 7th

UMHB up 5-2 in the top of the 6th at TWU
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on February 07, 2009, 06:02:07 PM
I heard that the San Jac transfers were going to be solid. Looks like Concordia is swinging the bats in the third game. Still batting up 8-3
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: DIIIBASEBALLFAN on February 07, 2009, 06:06:35 PM
GAME 3
Chapman 3 McMurry 0  END OF 3
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on February 07, 2009, 06:27:19 PM
Look like Concordia rapped this one up  8-3 over UT Dallas. Tom WIlliams has another solid game.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on February 07, 2009, 09:36:50 PM
TLU splits with Austin College. Dropping game 1 6-2 and winning game 2 10-0. Very windy down in Seguin today flags were blowing straight in toward home plate. Nothing overwhelming to report other than TLU's bats were asleep in game one and began to wake up toward the end of the game, but it was too late to recover.  Game three is tomorrow.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmguy19 on February 08, 2009, 01:05:55 AM
MCM lost both games today of the double header.  Looked better today then Friday night.  Chapman has a solid team and scrappy players but put hits together when they need them.  Chapman had runners in scoring position alot and drove them in with timely hitting today.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 08, 2009, 01:11:39 AM
mcmguy19  Good to see you and your family today!

Chapman looked good for the 4th-6th game.  If they can fill Yacko's hole, then they are set.

Sigman is a pitcher, Kitchens was almost unhittable, and they play solid fundamental baseball.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on February 08, 2009, 11:18:49 AM
CTX - 8 errors in three games??? What's the issue - tight scoring or were they true errors? Any know?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: UTEx on February 08, 2009, 11:40:18 AM
Quote from: shels on February 07, 2009, 02:31:59 PM
I don't  usually post and I know what you are talking about as I am listening to the same broadcast...but, I would rather have this than nothing if I can't be there.  Just my opinion.

I agree with this post.  If you can't be there, you are hungry to hear any news even if it is rather basic.  By the way, I kept up with the Southwestern vs Schreiner games yesterday on livestats.  I thought that program was pretty awesome.  I wish all ASC teams had this for those times when fans cannot make it to the game.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 08, 2009, 03:01:12 PM
Welcome UTex!  Always glad to have new posters!

The ASC and the SCAC boards are among the best baseball boards that we have.  Please post your comments after any game that you hear or attend!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on February 08, 2009, 04:14:10 PM
Not sure on the errors but to go up and take 2 out of 3 with those solid teams is impressive. Im sure Gardner will get the rust out of this team and get them going. Concordia fielding percentage is usually top notch year out.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 08, 2009, 04:30:43 PM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on February 08, 2009, 04:14:10 PM
Not sure on the errors but to go up and take 2 out of 3 with those solid teams is impressive. Im sure Gardner will get the rust out of this team and get them going. Concordia fielding percentage is usually top notch year out.
But what about the quality of Nelson Field...

(I am not disparaging the field, but CTX has not been "personally baby-ing" the field as most teams do about their own field.)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: D3NewYorkBaseball on February 08, 2009, 04:39:26 PM
Why didnt TLU's NAIA transfer play? TLU's website said he would be starting at 3rd base?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on February 08, 2009, 05:03:02 PM
They havent played at Nelson field? Im not sure what the quality of Nelson field is as far as practice.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on February 08, 2009, 08:19:35 PM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on February 08, 2009, 05:03:02 PM
They havent played at Nelson field? Im not sure what the quality of Nelson field is as far as practice.

Not sure what this is in reference too, but Nelson field is a shared high school field within Austin ISD. Not much to write about, poor lighting, faces Southeast. Nothing like what CTX is acustom to for sure.  I believe they are playing TXW at Dell diamond on Tuesday. Even better than their old field...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on February 08, 2009, 08:30:49 PM
TLU Completed the series with Austin College with a 4-3 win. Wind was blowing in all day even harder than yesterday.  Childress homered (solo), As did Green (but the ump called Green's foul) - it wasn't but it was hit above the foul pole and with the gray skies perhaps the ump couldn't tell it was still within the foul pole boundaries... next pitch Green lined it to the right center field gap for a double.... Green's defense was in great form today, very solid.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 08, 2009, 08:58:16 PM
Why didnt Macklin play dad?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmguy19 on February 09, 2009, 03:08:51 PM
How did umhb do the weekend?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 09, 2009, 04:44:06 PM
UMHB lost 2 out of 3 this weekend to #17 NAIA Texas Wesleyan. All three were pretty good games.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on February 09, 2009, 09:42:05 PM
Quote from: dp643 on February 09, 2009, 04:44:06 PM
UMHB lost 2 out of 3 this weekend to #17 NAIA Texas Wesleyan. All three were pretty good games.

Texas Wesleyan has been strong for several years now. CTX will play two against them on Wednesday this week in Round Rock (Dell Diamond)... should be a good match up as well. I may try and make one of the two games it time allows it...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dbat on February 10, 2009, 09:08:20 PM
I caught a intense game today in seguin.  Trinity took on TLU after going 0-3 this weekend in the UTTyler tournament.  Trinity sure looked like a team that was not 0-3.  They came out swinging and their starter Clint Robertson came out and threw a pretty good game.  Another pitcher who i was very impressed with is the TLU starter, Brad Orosey.  For a freshman he threw very well.  Both teams were playing like this was a playoff game and the intensity was high!  Great atmosphere to watch a game!  TLU took advantage or timely walks, hit-by-pitches and one big homerun from Clay Childress in the 2nd inning.  I really thought Trinity was going to come back and get this one, but tlu's bullpin came through.  I still think Trinity will be fine this season! Austin College this weekend will be a big one for them! TLU played better than I thought they would.
Title: ASC Conference Games
Post by: UTEx on February 10, 2009, 10:33:32 PM
I noticed that when one division plays another division, the games do not count as conference games.  Is this correct?
Title: Re: ASC Conference Games
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 10, 2009, 10:44:37 PM
Quote from: UTEx on February 10, 2009, 10:33:32 PM
I noticed that when one division plays another division, the games do not count as conference games.  Is this correct?
Yes, this is the way that the baseball coaches have voted.  (Those games do count as "West In-Region games", which determine seeding in the Regional Tourney and the Pool C bids.)

The 2008 Chair of National D3 Baseball Selection Committee was former McMurry head coach Lee Driggers.

Coach Driggers knew how to construct a schedule.  He played the Chapman's and the best schools in the West Region from the NWC, the SCIAC and the SCAC.  Those are in-region games were valuable when you look at OWP (Opponent's Winning Percentage) and OOWP (Opponent's Opponent's Winning Percentage)

I give Coach Driggers the credit in the pushing this vote thru!

I am happy that this is the situation.  I think that the baseball coaches use their non-divisional games most effectively of the ASC sports.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on February 11, 2009, 09:57:20 AM
Quote from: dbat on February 10, 2009, 09:08:20 PM
I caught a intense game today in seguin.  Trinity took on TLU after going 0-3 this weekend in the UTTyler tournament.  Trinity sure looked like a team that was not 0-3.  They came out swinging and their starter Clint Robertson came out and threw a pretty good game.  Another pitcher who i was very impressed with is the TLU starter, Brad Orosey.  For a freshman he threw very well.  Both teams were playing like this was a playoff game and the intensity was high!  Great atmosphere to watch a game!  TLU took advantage or timely walks, hit-by-pitches and one big homerun from Clay Childress in the 2nd inning.  I really thought Trinity was going to come back and get this one, but tlu's bullpin came through.  I still think Trinity will be fine this season! Austin College this weekend will be a big one for them! TLU played better than I thought they would.
dbat,
I too was in attendance yesterday and agree with most of what you have said. Robertson wasn't overpowering (low to mid 80's) but he worked all sides of the plate and kept the TLU squad a bit off balance. Good outing for sure.

One thing I was surprised at was the sloppyness that Trinity played with. Watching them during warm-ups really showed that they have fully clicked in yet (my opinion, having only seen them once this year so far). TLU did commit one more error than Trinity did, and this was a surprise especially coming from the right side of the infield. Femath just had an off day - not sure what was up, but he was very solid over the weekend. Childress just didn't get his big body in position to make the throw he made pulling green off second. Green is having a good start at SS and the work that he's been putting in with Macklin to his right is showing. Except for a short arm throw, he's been flawless. 

Once Trinity settles in I think they will be stronger than they are today. Their line-up, was tough from the standpoint of 7 of the 9 batters were coming at you from the left side which is sometime that most pitchers at these levels aren't acustom to. I kinda think that it was too much left side dominate, but if it works why change it.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 11, 2009, 10:35:15 AM
If Trinity is playing sloppy, then they probably are not clicking yet. That is one thing Trinity has always been good for, is good, solid, fundamentally sound baseball. They have had a rough start to their season, losing 4 games to ASC schools.

They have started with a pretty strong schedule though facing UT Dallas, Tyler twice, and not TLU.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: PatriotASID on February 11, 2009, 06:35:17 PM
QuoteCTX - 8 errors in three games??? What's the issue - tight scoring or were they true errors? Any know?

Dawgsdad,

Yes, they were true errors, as I was the one scoring the games.  The wind was vicious all weekend and really reaked havoc.  Now some errors were just errors, but on some if you have ideal conditions those plays probably get made.


Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on February 11, 2009, 08:12:42 PM
Quote from: PatriotASID on February 11, 2009, 06:35:17 PM
QuoteCTX - 8 errors in three games??? What's the issue - tight scoring or were they true errors? Any know?

Dawgsdad,

Yes, they were true errors, as I was the one scoring the games.  The wind was vicious all weekend and really reaked havoc.  Now some errors were just errors, but on some if you have ideal conditions those plays probably get made.




Thanks for the input. I was windy in a lot of places this past weekend. In Sequin, the wind was strong, upwards of 20 mph all weekend... Hopefully Nelson field won't induce too many additional errors for CTX - it's nothing like what they had in the past!!

dawgsdad
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on February 11, 2009, 08:17:11 PM
Quote from: dp643 on February 11, 2009, 10:35:15 AM
If Trinity is playing sloppy, then they probably are not clicking yet. That is one thing Trinity has always been good for, is good, solid, fundamentally sound baseball. They have had a rough start to their season, losing 4 games to ASC schools.

They have started with a pretty strong schedule though facing UT Dallas, Tyler twice, and not TLU.
dp643,
I apologize for not checking for typos ;D I'm not saying that Trinity won't gell, I just feel that they haven't gelled just yet. Knowing a little about Trinity I fully expect them to get it going soon. I'm not sure what to make of the TLU comment at the end, but will assume it was harmless.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 12, 2009, 11:11:45 AM
I have no idea why the word not was before TLU. I probably typed half the message at work and left it up for a while and came back to it and sent without reading it over. No disrespect was intended.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on February 12, 2009, 01:00:01 PM
The San Jac transfer at second should be solid and they have a quility shortstop so up the middle they will be good to go like they have been when they had salizar and savier for CTX.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on February 12, 2009, 06:38:31 PM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on February 12, 2009, 01:00:01 PM
The San Jac transfer at second should be solid and they have a quility shortstop so up the middle they will be good to go like they have been when they had salizar and savier for CTX.
Blackcat00,

At times I've been known to be a bit slow... perhaps you could help us in understanding what your post is in reference to?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on February 12, 2009, 07:54:28 PM
I was surprised myself with the 8 errors over the weekend for Concordia. I was referring to the two guys up the middle that they have currently, and should be a solid combo as the likes of Salizar and Savier that Gardner had a few years agao. Hope that helps
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 13, 2009, 07:22:57 AM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on February 12, 2009, 07:54:28 PM
I was surprised myself with the 8 errors over the weekend for Concordia. I was referring to the two guys up the middle that they have currently, and should be a solid combo as the likes of Salizar and Savier that Gardner had a few years agao. Hope that helps

What year was that combo up the middle for CUA? I recall watching Salizar and Greg Warren as a pretty solid duo, but for some reason Savier doesn't ring a bell.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on February 13, 2009, 12:39:43 PM
2003 the year they went to the World Series. Salizar played second and Savier played Shortstop.
Title: Re: ASC Conference Games
Post by: mcmguy19 on February 13, 2009, 03:08:43 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 10, 2009, 10:44:37 PM
Quote from: UTEx on February 10, 2009, 10:33:32 PM
I noticed that when one division plays another division, the games do not count as conference games.  Is this correct?
Yes, this is the way that the baseball coaches have voted.  (Those games do count as "West In-Region games", which determine seeding in the Regional Tourney and the Pool C bids.)

The 2008 Chair of National D3 Baseball Selection Committee was former McMurry head coach Lee Driggers.

Coach Driggers knew how to construct a schedule.  He played the Chapman's and the best schools in the West Region from the NWC, the SCIAC and the SCAC.  Those are in-region games were valuable when you look at OWP (Opponent's Winning Percentage) and OOWP (Opponent's Opponent's Winning Percentage)

I give Coach Driggers the credit in the pushing this vote thru!

I am happy that this is the situation.  I think that the baseball coaches use their non-divisional games most effectively of the ASC sports.



I think there are some teams out there that make the schedule too easy so that they can make it into the Regional with a good record  but not play anyone like UTD did in 2005.  Some teams need to get better thats why MCM is good when it comes time to playing in ASC west play
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmguy19 on February 13, 2009, 03:51:55 PM
Whitter 2 MCM 0 bottom 3
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmguy19 on February 13, 2009, 04:45:36 PM
MCM 4 Whitter 2 Top 8
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on February 13, 2009, 04:45:59 PM
If im not mistaken dont you have to win your conference tournament to playin in the regional unless you host?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 13, 2009, 06:34:01 PM
McM 4 Whittier 3 (http://www.sidearmstats.com/mcmurry/baseball/)

Smith for McM goes 7.1 innings and gives up 3 earned runs

Armijo for Whittier goes 7 gives up 4 runs, 3 earned runs.

That is pretty good for this time of the year.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 13, 2009, 06:37:05 PM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on February 13, 2009, 04:45:59 PM
If im not mistaken dont you have to win your conference tournament to playin in the regional unless you host?
Yes, the ASC gives its Pool A bid to the conference tourney champ.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 14, 2009, 09:43:28 AM
UMHB edges Methodist University 8-7 in 13 innings last night in Abilene.

http://www.umhb.edu/athletics/news/10007
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 14, 2009, 09:49:14 AM
TLU drops one to Cal State East Bay 9-1 yesterday. TLU made a jaw dropping 6 errors...Logan Hull took the loss for the bulldogs.

Any game reports Dawgsdad?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 14, 2009, 08:32:24 PM
UT-Dallas playing in McMurry's Coast to Coast Classic in Abilene (great tournament by the way, though I expect nothing less McMurry as they consistently schedule great teams in the pre-conference play), split their Saturday games.

They defeated Whittier 11-5 on the back of Jr. transfer (Eastfield) Jonathan Reeder who threw five innings of 1 hit baseball in relief of starter Mason Thompson. UT-Dallas swung it well at the plate lead by the top of the order, Neal Gordon (2-6), Cody Ross (2-5, 4 RBI), and Jared Smith (2-5, 2 RBI).

Gordon brings his team leading average up to .385, and Ross adds to his team lead in RBI, with 9 now in 6 games.

In the second game, Methodist (NC) pummeled the Comets 13-0. Starter Damien Chelakis was handed the loss going 1.2 IP, and surrendering 5 ER on 7 Hits.

The Comets could only scrape together 5 hits.

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on February 15, 2009, 09:35:48 PM
Concordia 14     Huston T. 2

Nelson Field , Austin TX
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on February 15, 2009, 09:38:01 PM
Quote from: dp643 on February 14, 2009, 09:43:28 AM
UMHB edges Methodist University 8-7 in 13 innings last night in Abilene.

http://www.umhb.edu/athletics/news/10007
the article doesn't do the game justice.  I went after driving by and noticing UMHB was playing.  I arrived in the 7th about 7:30 and saw some great defense and a sac bunt that went for 3 bases.  I didn't get home until 10:25.  The article made it seem like a mundane game.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on February 15, 2009, 10:46:04 PM
Some good baseball resulted from Seguin this weekend with a match up between TLU and CSU Eastbay.

Game one (Friday afternoon) went to CSU EB 9-1. Kenneth Cedillo (Union City/Cal St Stanislaus) pitch a good game (complete game) in the winning effort. The Pioneers hit the bulldogs hard. 6 errors within the infield and 7 free passes made it hard for TLU to recover. Hull struggled for his second outing not getting out of the third inning.

Game two (Saturday) brought the bulldogs out looking for something to chew on. Travis Staggs Elmendorf(Southside/Western Texas JC) pitched 7.1 strongs innings giving up a lone run in the 7th (HR) to Devin Grigg (Alameda/Chabot College). Matt McCormick a good game but gave up 3 runs over 6.1 innings. John Volk allowed three more in 2.2 innings for a 2-6 loss to the bulldogs. Series tied at 1-1.

Game three (Sunday) brought TLU's Louis Lee (Cypress/Cypress Christian/Eastfield JC) vs CSU EB's Aaron Hannigan (Martinez/Los Medanos College). CSU EB got on the board first and by the second inning it was 0-3 CSU EB.  Freshman, Brad Orosey (Houston/ Cypress Creek) came in in the third in relief of Lee and went the distance and didn't allow a run to cross  the plate until the top of the 7th inning when an error (Macklin) allowed the leadoff on... Orosey hits the next batter and both of these runners scored in the inning. These runs brought the game square, at five all. The bottom of the eight started with Femath singling and Macklin (Austin/Bowie/Huston Tillotson) blasting his first HR of the season to right center with the wind blowing somewhat inwards. Earlier Drew Farr (Taylor/Taylor) recorded a 2 run HR back in the third inning. Macklin needed only the triple to hit for the cycle today going 3 for 5 with 3 RBI. Bulldogs complete the sweep of the series with the Pioneers of CSU EB 5-7.

Next up for the Bulldogs is Southwestern University on Tuesday in Seguin (2pm)... 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on February 16, 2009, 03:15:27 PM
UT Tyler swept Castleton yesteday by a combined score of 31-2. Nothing was really learned by that since Castleton in from Vermont and the snow hasn't even melted there yet. I am sure they will play much better in April than they showed yesterday. Even though the Patriots scored alot of runs they are not going to be a team that can pound their opponents into submission. Unlike some of Vilade's teams from the past they do not have any big home run threats this year. A bunch of players can swing the bat but they will have to group their hits to score this year. The pitching will be the strength of the squad as is no big surprise. They have a lot of pitching depth. The next question is defense. Again to early to tell. But for this team to make it to the NCAA dance they must be solid on defense.

Vilade has a good team once again. The question is will this finally be the year he wins the conference tournament. He has been to the dance several times over the years between his days at UT Tyler and UD but he has yet to come home with the championship. To move on to the NCAA tournament the ASC can really only bank on their champion. Last year CTX. UT Tyler and Ozarks had great seasons but were all left out.

TexasBB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 16, 2009, 04:20:26 PM
Quote from: Dawgsdad on February 15, 2009, 10:46:04 PM
Some good baseball resulted from Seguin this weekend with a match up between TLU and CSU Eastbay.

Bulldogs complete the sweep of the series with the Pioneers of CSU EB 5-7.

Next up for the Bulldogs is Southwestern University on Tuesday in Seguin (2pm)... 

Dawgsdad,

Sweep to me implies that they won all 3 games of the series. I know you meant, just didn't want others to be confused. TLU actually took the series 2-1. Do we know much about this East Bay team? Maybe Infielddad could give us some perspective on Menlo which would enable us to pass judgment on East Bay.

I think this TLU team is very interesting this year. When I look at them on paper, I expect a team that will try to out slug opponents, yet this TLU team is only hitting .277 and striking out a little too much. I wouldn't expect the guys East Bay ran out there on Sunday to be overpowering, but maybe they had velocity w/o command? Why so many K's ?

What has been impressive has been the pitching staff. Obviously it is still too early to start making assumptions, but Staggs (0.66) and Orosey (0.69) have been awesome, respectively. The rest of the pen have also been good thus far, though the true test will come in ASC play, as it always does. If Logan Hull comes around (and we saw what he was capable of his Freshman year), this is a deeper staff than I anticipated.

And defense. What do they do about defense? For whatever reason Macklin has struggled out of the gate on defense, but I suspect he'll drive plenty in with his stick (and from what I've heard he's always played good D in the past). The Dogs definitely need more offensive production from Green/Femath though if they're going to make a lot of errors up the middle. Until last year, the Bulldogs had always been great up the middle, and it was a recipe for success. Not sure what the answer is, or if they have an answer at this point.

Just my $.02; it's entirely too early to tell a whole lot. Looking forward to the start of cross-over series this weekend.

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: PatriotASID on February 16, 2009, 04:42:55 PM
Quote from: Toby Taff on February 15, 2009, 09:38:01 PM
Quote from: dp643 on February 14, 2009, 09:43:28 AM
UMHB edges Methodist University 8-7 in 13 innings last night in Abilene.

http://www.umhb.edu/athletics/news/10007
the article doesn't do the game justice...article made it seem like a mundane game.

Toby,

With all due respect, that was probably the 3rd or 4th rlease the SID had written that day.  While we all want to make sure the S-As get all the credit they deserve, we too have lives and families.  I thought the article was good and did what its purpose was, to recap the game.  Not too mention he had probably been at the games, if I know him.  So just know while an article may not be very detailed, as SIDs we often don't have the time to be as detailed as we would like, especially in the spring where some schools have as many as 10 sports going on at one time.  Just offering some insight.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 16, 2009, 06:00:55 PM
I dont think he meant any disrespect. Anyone close to UMHB knows what a tremendous job Jon Wallin does for UMHB athletics and would never intentionally say or do anything to disrespect him.

I am looking forward to the UMHB UT Tyler series this weekend.

There will be some other interesting matchups this weekend with McMurry at the Ozarks, TLU at UT Dallas, and Concordia at Louisiana College.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on February 16, 2009, 06:17:21 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on February 16, 2009, 04:20:26 PM
Quote from: Dawgsdad on February 15, 2009, 10:46:04 PM
Some good baseball resulted from Seguin this weekend with a match up between TLU and CSU Eastbay.

Bulldogs complete the sweep of the series with the Pioneers of CSU EB 5-7.

Next up for the Bulldogs is Southwestern University on Tuesday in Seguin (2pm)... 

Dawgsdad,

Sweep to me implies that they won all 3 games of the series. I know you meant, just didn't want others to be confused.

I think this TLU team is very interesting this year. When I look at them on paper, I expect a team that will try to out slug opponents, yet this TLU team is only hitting .277 and striking out a little too much. I wouldn't expect the guys East Bay ran out there on Sunday to be overpowering, but maybe they had velocity w/o command? Why so many K's ?

What has been impressive has been the pitching staff. Obviously it is still too early to start making assumptions, but Staggs (0.66) and Orosey (0.69) have been awesome, respectively. The rest of the pen have also been good thus far, though the true test will come in ASC play, as it always does. If Logan Hull comes around (and we saw what he was capable of his Freshman year), this is a deeper staff than I anticipated.

And defense. What do they do about defense? For whatever reason Macklin has struggled out of the gate on defense, but I suspect he'll drive plenty in with his stick (and from what I've heard he's always played good D in the past). The Dogs definitely need more offensive production from Green/Femath though if they're going to make a lot of errors up the middle. Until last year, the Bulldogs had always been great up the middle, and it was a recipe for success. Not sure what the answer is, or if they have an answer at this point.

Just my $.02; it's entirely too early to tell a whole lot. Looking forward to the start of cross-over series this weekend.

JSG



JSG,

I totally agree with you. First, I meant that they won the series and not a complete sweep of the three games.

I think what's happening at the plate is a combination of things - guessing, not being able to adjust to reasonable breaking balls, and being off balance. I see of lot of guys like Femath, Green, Childress, and a few others dropping there back shoulder and leading with there front foot - just off balance.  I'm hopping that will correct itself very soon or you'll be right about struggling in ASC play.

I wouldn't say that the guy from Eastbay had overpowering stuff, Didn't see many guns out Saturday or Sunday and what I did see or hear about on Friday was nothing to write home about - and we got rocked - There number one just kept most of the team off balance and our defense and pitching on Friday stunk...

The pitching staff is a bright spot but we need more production out of our starters. Macklin was warming in the 8th and 9th (between innings) but they didn't use him. May see him tomorrow a bit against Southwestern perhaps.

Defense- well, I generally agree that Macklin is suppose to be the stronger of those out there, but he's had a fairly hot corner early on and frankly he getting re-use to playing third - played there in his second year, played outfield all of last year and now back in at 3rd this year.  Green has been exceptionally good this early part of the season. He's made some really tough plays and I expect that both will improve overall. Jeremy is huge compared to Green and Femath, both of these guys can stand under Jeremy's out stretched arms - you should see the three of them standing together behind second base - comical to say the least. I'm not too worried about the defense, more worried about the hitting at the moment.

The more we face good pitching (those that can move the ball around as well as bring the heat) the more I'm going to be asking questions if they can't adjust. Harvey, Farr and Nokebly all need to stop chasing or looking at pitches especially with two strikes - way too much of that in my opinion.

Thanks for the comments nonetheless. I too am looking forward to the series up in dallas this weekend... Are you planning to attend? My wife and are will make the trip.

Dawgsdad
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 17, 2009, 04:35:54 PM
UMHB leading Trinity 10-2 Bottom of the third and still batting.

Trinity has 3 passed balls, and UMHB 4 stolen bases thus far.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on February 17, 2009, 07:01:14 PM
Wow whats going on with Trinity. They seem to be starting off slow and struggling. I took the 3rd of March see the CTX Trinity match up at the Dell Diamond in Round Rock.

CTX and Texas Weslayan rescheduled for tommorow due the the rain here in Austin,Round Rock area. Will play tommorow the 18th.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 17, 2009, 07:34:41 PM
UMHB wins 16-5.

I dont know what the story with Trinity so far is. They have I believe everyone from their starting lineup back from last year (minus one or two possibly). They were a team that made it to the regional finals and lost to chapman by one run twice last year.

I wasn't at the game, but it looked like Trinity played pretty sloppy, and that definitely isnt a characteristic of theirs from past history. They have been absolutely destroyed thus far by the ASC.

Knowing Trinity I bet they bounce back, but right now it isnt looking good.

Are there going to be any live stats for the Concordia game tomorrow?

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on February 17, 2009, 09:43:07 PM
I know the Concordia's Website doesnt do any live feeds for baseball. I hope Texas Weslayan does because It is during the day and I wont be able to go. This is going to be a great match up at the Diamond.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on February 17, 2009, 10:02:02 PM
Somewhat of a soggy day in Seguin today. TLU put it to Southwestern 6-14.  10 of the 14 runs for the Bulldogs came from Farr and Macklin. Farr getting his second and third HR in back to back games. Chris Green also homered in the game today, his first.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmguy19 on February 18, 2009, 12:06:53 AM
Does TLU have any guys left from the three time ASC championship teams?

Also MCM travels to Ozarks this weekend anyone heard anything about Ozarks.  Last year they had a good team and from what I remember a young team as well....anyone have anything on Ozarks and the outcome of the series in Arkansas?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on February 18, 2009, 12:12:43 AM
Quote from: mcmguy19 on February 18, 2009, 12:06:53 AM
Does TLU have any guys left from the three time ASC championship teams?

Also MCM travels to Ozarks this weekend anyone heard anything about Ozarks.  Last year they had a good team and from what I remember a young team as well....anyone have anything on Ozarks and the outcome of the series in Arkansas?

Well GUY....i am not sure about the Ozarks but I do know that the Indians looked good last weekend...starting pitching stepped it up a notch and the timely hitting was there...i will go with the indians winning 2 of 3...thats my prediction.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmguy19 on February 18, 2009, 12:16:07 AM
well indian4atwinkie i will take mcm 2 of 3 as well....seeing that Curry had a good outing this last weekend and D. Smith threw really well..... also to see the lead off hitter Morris get on more...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 19, 2009, 11:14:57 AM
Any info from the Concordia doubleheader yesterday vs Texas Wesleyan? I saw they lost 5-1 and 12-3.

Anything on Wernecke and why he didnt play yesterday? Injured?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on February 19, 2009, 04:14:53 PM
Atl  you obvoisly dont watch any baseball with that logic guy. Did this guy hit a bomb off you or take  your position?  I did go to the 5-1 game (first game) Texas Weslyan can swing the bat and the pitch wasnt to bad either ( I take it it wasnt any of thier starters either) . Concordia hit the ball but the pitching was not very good at all. None of the big dogs threw but the other guys fell behind, had some walks and had some overthrows and passed balls. Tom Williams absolutely mashes the ball. Ive seen alot of d3 ball players and this guy is up there with the likes of Josh Lee in overall power, natural left handed swing, and pitch selection. Concordia will be fine and really wanted to See the Johnson kid pitch that transfered in from San Jac. Some people in the stands not only CTX fans said he is the real deal.   The Dell Diamond is doing reconstruction and it was hard not to focus on the game with that going on in the background. Overall it was a nice day to watch some baseball.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: atl7 on February 19, 2009, 07:01:52 PM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on February 19, 2009, 04:14:53 PM
Atl  you obvoisly dont watch any baseball with that logic guy. Did this guy hit a bomb off you or take  your position?  I did go to the 5-1 game (first game) Texas Weslyan can swing the bat and the pitch wasnt to bad either ( I take it it wasnt any of thier starters either) . Concordia hit the ball but the pitching was not very good at all. None of the big dogs threw but the other guys fell behind, had some walks and had some overthrows and passed balls. Tom Williams absolutely mashes the ball. Ive seen alot of d3 ball players and this guy is up there with the likes of Josh Lee in overall power, natural left handed swing, and pitch selection. Concordia will be fine and really wanted to See the Johnson kid pitch that transfered in from San Jac. Some people in the stands not only CTX fans said he is the real deal.   The Dell Diamond is doing reconstruction and it was hard not to focus on the game with that going on in the background. Overall it was a nice day to watch some baseball.

o ya who do consider there big Dogs???? They had Riggles start game one and he got rocked...he had nine so his first game against UT Dallas if thats not a big dog then what is??? if you consider Whitley or Szkotak a big dog then I feel bad for you
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2009, 08:18:55 PM
Quote from: atl7 on February 19, 2009, 06:56:27 PM
well whoever deleted my post is stupid....

If name-calling is all you got then you won't be posting here anymore. Come up with something a little more mature next time.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on February 19, 2009, 09:36:32 PM
Atl I never mentioned Riggles? Michael Johnson is thier best pitcher this year and he didnt throw. Yes Riggles did have 9k's against UT Dallas to open the year , and did struggle again a great team in Texas Weslayan. I dont know where you are going with this ? Whitley is the # 3 or four guy, and the pitcher that Transfered in from TCU didnt even throw the first game.  You need to seriously go to some games or revamp your insight on baseball to come with that weak smack . I hear Tennis is easy to catch up on.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BaseballFreak on February 19, 2009, 10:39:49 PM
What is the story with UT Tyler's pitching.  Vilade is the hitting guy, right?  Where do they find these arms?  They seem to always lead the ASC in ERA.  When is someone going to hire their pitching guy?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 20, 2009, 06:04:01 PM
Quote from: BaseballFreak on February 19, 2009, 10:39:49 PM
What is the story with UT Tyler's pitching.  Vilade is the hitting guy, right?  Where do they find these arms?  They seem to always lead the ASC in ERA.  When is someone going to hire their pitching guy?

I think Vilade is a good coach despite his struggles in the playoffs. He always has his team prepared to win baseball games. Stan Phelps has done a tremendous job with the pitchers as well and should be commended for his efforts.

That said, UT Tyler has one of the best situations you can have in terms of recruiting in the ASC. They have some of the best facilities in the conference, far and away some of the cheapest tuition, lower admission standards that most of the schools, and a significantly larger student body to choose from. [Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong and things have changed. I'm not as well-read as I have been in the past.]

Anyway you slice it, that's a recipe for recruiting success.

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 20, 2009, 07:32:23 PM
McM 9 UOzarks 7 (http://eagles.ozarks.edu/baseball/stats/2009/mcm.htm);  DH tomorrow.

Gaona gets the win in relief; Braswell the loss.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 20, 2009, 07:43:14 PM
UT Dallas 13 - Texas Lutheran 6

WP: Drew Waggoner 6 IP, 7 H, 4 R, 2 ER, 4 BB, 5 Ks
LP: Travis Staggs 4 IP, 9 H, 7 R, 7 ER, 0 BB, 4 Ks

UT Dallas
DH Randy Lorber 2-3, 1 R, 3 RBI, 1 HR, 1 SB
LF Jared Smith 2-4, 2 R, 2 RBI, 1 SB
C Adam Hudec 2-5, 2 R, 4 RBI, 1 HR
2B Chris Biguenet 2-4, 2 R, 3 RBI, 1 HR

TLU
CF Kyle Harvey 2-4, 2 R, 2 RBI
2B Andrew Femath 3-4, 1 R, 1 RBI, 1 SB
SS Chris Green 2-4, 2 R

P Patrick Pederson 2.1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 2 Ks

Insight:
Prior to the start of this series I had TLU taking 2 of 3, and I'll stick with that prediction for the time being. What surprised me was how a team, UTD, who has been struggling at the plate this year (.261 prior to this game) puts up 7 ER against a pitcher, Staggs, who'd been nails to start the year (0.69 ERA in 13 IP).

UTD has to be happy with the way their veterans played today, including all the guys who had good games at the plate. Let's briefly mention Waggoner. Here's guy who frankly looks awkward on the bump, and doesn't impress from the stands (and probably not from the dugout either), but he gets guys out, he always has, and he's a savvy guy (graduate student at UTD if I'm not mistaken). Kudos to him.

For TLU, Harvey remains hot at the top of the order, and they have to be happy with the fact that their middle infield finally started swinging the stick. Green made another error, but it was a relatively clean game defensively for the Bulldogs. It boils down to the guys on the bump, and I have to think that Zamora has been a complete disappointment after a solid (perhaps fortunate?) freshman campaign?

Looking forward to the remainder of this series. Does Orosey get a start after being brilliant out of the pen early this year? Does Logan Hull finally find what made him a big piece of the Dogs playoff run his freshman year? What about UTD? Do they go to Flasik and Spinn early? Does Damion Chelakis get another chance?

Could Chelakis return to the same guy who went 8-2 in '07 and knocked the Bulldogs out of the West Region playoffs with 7.2 IP of 2 run (3 runs, 2 ER) baseball?

Sure is a great sport isn't it?

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 20, 2009, 07:47:53 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 20, 2009, 07:32:23 PM
McM 9 UOzarks 7 (http://eagles.ozarks.edu/baseball/stats/2009/mcm.htm);  DH tomorrow.

Gaona gets the win in relief; Braswell the loss.

Props to Adrian Gaona who pitched great in relief. This Ozarks team is a very similar team from last year, capable of being a very potent offense. David Smith has another torrid game going 2-3, w/ 2 runs, 3 RBI, 1 HR, and 2 BB. He raises his average to .517 -- Smith is 5'8" 160. I don't care if their field is small, the kid is crushing.

I know McMurry is picked to win the conference, but my preseason crystal ball says CUA is back on top after a long drought. I just think McMurry lost too much offensively, but this win (and the rest of the series) could be very telling.

Very solid win for McMurry.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 20, 2009, 07:55:41 PM
Quote from: mcmguy19 on February 18, 2009, 12:06:53 AM
Does TLU have any guys left from the three time ASC championship teams?

They don't have anyone left that has been on all of those teams, no.

They have around 10 guys that played at least some roll in their '07 team that lost to UT-Dallas, and both Harvey (I think), Farr, and Horstmann were on the '06 roster, but not sure how much they contributed.

From that '07 playoff team though:

Harvey hit .370 in 22 starts and had 20 SB.
Nokelby starting as a true freshman his .361
Logan Hull went 7-2 with a 3.54 ERA in 10 games started
Tom Embree through 14.1 IP in relief, with a 1.88 ERA and a .143 avg. against

Joe Genry (not sure on his status this year after off season surgery), Kyle Eaves, Horstmann, Farr, Steinert, and Siniff all played at least some role in that '07 team.

Interesting to see how they rebound after missing the playoffs and being under .500 for the first time in like 14-15 years (?) last year.

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on February 20, 2009, 10:02:44 PM
UT Tyler defeats UMHB 5-3 in a good ball game. UTT pitchers combine for 13Ks with Lex Wolfe picking up the win with 10Ks in 6 2/3 innings. Zigler got the save working a perfiect 9th inning. Garza pitched very well for UMBH in a loosing effort going 8 full innings with 6 Ks. He allowed 2 home runs which turned out to be the difference. Both teams played good defense as there was only 1 error the entire game between them.  Wolfe has not had good outings with multiple Ks in both of his starts. It looks like Vilade has found his # 3 starter. Ziegler as has been expected will be the closer. Both teams had 10 hits so although the pitching was good by both teams it was the defenses that kept the game low scoring and close. UTT still has its two big guns to pitch tomorrow. I am not as familiar with UMHB pitching staff and their depth but it will be hard for them to win two against the Patriots tomorrow.

Texas BB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on February 20, 2009, 10:07:11 PM
Correction to my last post. Wolfe had 2 good outings with multiple Ks. I should have proof read before I hit send.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on February 20, 2009, 10:36:48 PM
The reason for UTT success is the recruiting ability of James Vilade. (He recruited my son back when the program began. He followed my son since he was 16 though select baseball, HS and junior college.) He is a relentless recruiter and also  relentlessly works to build the program. He has had a lot to do behind the scenes in getting the facilities the way they are and getting easton to sponsor the teams equipment needs. At every home game he always has several HS or JC recruits attending and takes time to talk to their parents as well. I have ultimate respect for his abilities and enthusiasm.

What people may not remember is he had similar success at UD and started that program from scratch also. UD did not have the low tuition and other benefits that UTT has but Vilade's success was the same. His Crusaders dominated the ASC east.  After he left the kids he recruited had the best record of any team that never made it to the NCAA tournament.  It was only surpassed by his 2007 UTT team that went 37-1. My son was lucky enough to play and pitch for him when they won their first ASC east championship back in 2005. The first year my son played for James UTT had no facilities and had to play its games at a local Tyler rec facility with 300 ft fences and the wind always blowing out. Talk about bad ERAs then!! Now look at what they have.

It is the relentless commitment to improve the program and find the best possible players that has enabled UTT to be successful. James has proven that he can win wherever he coaches. Yes he knows hitting but he used to pitch and he knows a good pitcher when he sees one and has been successful in recruiting them.

The other thing James does is place his players in good summer league programs where they will be seen by scouts and get to play against DIV I talent. My son played on the east coast in NJ one year and then in the CICL just before his senior year competing against kids from the Big 10 and northern schools out of the Big 12. Then he has placed a bunch of graduating seniors into the pro ball. Just look at the website and see the list all since 2005.

He works for his players year round and they in turn help him as the word gets out. If you want to have a chance at the next level Vilade will give you the opportunity to pursue that dream. But you will have to compete to win a starting position and continue to work hard to keep it. If you work hard he will work hard for you.

That is the perscription for UTTs success pure and simple.
Texas BB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 20, 2009, 11:39:03 PM
Texas BB

I gave you some karma love for that post. Tremendous insight into Vilade as a coach, and I think you bring up a very valid point about him at UD without denying that he does have at least a partial advantage at UT Tyler (though as your post denotes, he likely made part of that advantage possible through his own efforts).

There's something to be said for a coach that "gets it."

There are nice guys abound. There are solid coaches in abundance.

What separates the guys that win, and the guys that don't are the ones that know the game, but also know and understand kids and what it takes to build programs.

Do they know how to recruit? Do they know how to talk to parents? Do they know how to put not only the best players on the field, but the right players?

It's a fascinating game; one that transcends simple conventions and boxes that the casual fan tries to put it in.

Thanks for the insight.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on February 21, 2009, 01:14:09 PM
That was the same thing we went through at CTX. We had a field that looked like a city park and we built it with our own hands to what was a great looking park in downtown Austin. Now Gardner has to start over with the relocation of the field and now has to play practically a road game every weekend. But you are correct these type of coaches seperate themselves and know how to win in any situation.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 21, 2009, 02:02:13 PM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on February 21, 2009, 01:14:09 PM
That was the same thing we went through at CTX. We had a field that looked like a city park and we built it with our own hands to what was a great looking park in downtown Austin. Now Gardner has to start over with the relocation of the field and now has to play practically a road game every weekend. But you are correct these type of coaches seperate themselves and know how to win in any situation.

Blackcat, am I correct in understanding that the new CTX right field foul line will be pointed due north/south ( as an airport runway would be described 18/36, or is it slightly southeast 17/35)?  Thanks
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on February 21, 2009, 03:04:37 PM
I heard the lights went up from the old field,  but i havent been to the new campus yet. As soon as I see it or hear what the dimensions are I will post it. I hear its on a huge hill on campus. So wind will be a factor it seems.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 21, 2009, 03:08:38 PM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on February 21, 2009, 03:04:37 PM
I heard the lights went up from the old field,  but i havent been to the new campus yet. As soon as I see it or hear what the dimensions are I will post it. I hear its on a huge hill on campus. So wind will be a factor it seems.
Yes, it is on top of a mesa with broad vistas of the Hill Country. 

Shucks, you could have beautiful views from the stadium boxes that CTX is preparing to sell.   ;)  ;D

I don't know the exact direction of the prevailing wins on that side of Austin, so the orientation of the diamond can have a huge effect.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: atl7 on February 21, 2009, 04:07:12 PM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on February 19, 2009, 09:36:32 PM
Atl I never mentioned Riggles? Michael Johnson is thier best pitcher this year and he didnt throw. Yes Riggles did have 9k's against UT Dallas to open the year , and did struggle again a great team in Texas Weslayan. I dont know where you are going with this ? Whitley is the # 3 or four guy, and the pitcher that Transfered in from TCU didnt even throw the first game.  You need to seriously go to some games or revamp your insight on baseball to come with that weak smack . I hear Tennis is easy to catch up on.

Yes I know you never mentioned Riggles....my original post was taken off before you could read it so here it is with a little edit some grown men can't read bad words or get all mad like a bunch of women at a tea party

anyways all this hype over this san Jac pitcher is a bunch of BS....if he was the real deal he would have been drafted out of San Jac or gone to a D1 or D2 program....in fact he might have got offers but wanted to make his stats look better against D3 opponets....wow he can throw in the 90's he is 5'10 that ball is mostly likely flat as hell and would get crushed by anybody who can actually swing the stick...im sure he has a good curve, but I bet he cant hit with it every time...If HT got an average of a hit every inning he pitched he cant be that great...the last real deal out of Concordia was Miller and he did not even get drafted he is still in Indy Baseball and that guy had a slider that was like that of Lidge or somebody...so all this hype about this kid needs to stop...now on the otherhand Mister Tom Williams is a possible draft pick in the late rounds....he is big, strong, and can hit for power and average, he also has very good speed...his only downfall his he can get lazy out in the field but yes I could actually see him get drafted anywhere from 35th round till the end..

that pictcher from TCU did not even play for the Horned Frogs...and he has got hit pretty hard this year...8 runs on 7 hits in 5inn. agains LC
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on February 21, 2009, 04:18:30 PM
UTT defeats UMHB in the first game of a double header 7-1. Holland went the distance allowing one run on 6 hits and struck out 7.  The Patriots banged out 11 hits with Jared Hood having the big bat with 2 home runs and 3 RBIs. The Patriots jumped out to a 4-0 lead in the first inning and never looked back.

Booher is to pitch the second game so the Patriots should be favored for the 3 game sweep.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 21, 2009, 05:07:37 PM
Seems UTD's live stats stopped working during the 5th inning of the first game. TLU was leading 13-3 and both Harvey and Macklin had homered. Orosey was still pitching for TLU. The UTD starting pitcher, Reeder, had been lifted.

Anybody heard (or seen) anything since?

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on February 21, 2009, 05:30:03 PM
ATl sorry for all the post replies to you. I just got breaking news stating you were a pro scout. Your boy Whitley shut out LC today. You are very entertaining so please keep posting. Whats size and being in a D1 program have to do with pro baseball. If I recall the number of players in D3 getting drafted are going up every year.  You def have some catching up to do and maybe if you read the likes of some of the posters on here who actually know baseball you can go out and enjoy a game and maybe even learn how fill out a score sheet. By the way CTX takes 2 of 3 from Louisiana at thier place. And calling players out on here the way you did shows you obvoisly have a hard on for CTX catcher. Can you not hold his jock?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on February 21, 2009, 06:33:28 PM
UTT is ahead of UMHB 9-1 in the bottom of the 5th. Blake Booher on the mound for Tyler. A great stat for the Patriots is that so far they have not commited a single error during the entire 3 game series.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: atl7 on February 21, 2009, 07:07:41 PM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on February 21, 2009, 05:30:03 PM
ATl sorry for all the post replies to you. I just got breaking news stating you were a pro scout. Your boy Whitley shut out LC today. You are very entertaining so please keep posting. Whats size and being in a D1 program have to do with pro baseball. If I recall the number of players in D3 getting drafted are going up every year.  You def have some catching up to do and maybe if you read the likes of some of the posters on here who actually know baseball you can go out and enjoy a game and maybe even learn how fill out a score sheet. By the way CTX takes 2 of 3 from Louisiana at thier place. And calling players out on here the way you did shows you obvoisly have a hard on for CTX catcher. Can you not hold his jock?


It actually seems you have a hard one with me...you are taking things so personal like these are your kids or players by trying to defend them on how good they are...and yes I have seen this kid pitch last year at San Jac and by comparing his ability to Miller who was not drafted its clear to me that Miller was a better pitcher thats all



Since when has Whitley been my boy?? I said if you think he is there top dog then you must be kidding, and I still hold on to that im glad he had a good game good for him against a team that only won 17 games last year. How would why I have a hard on for a player that I think is a wuss?  ??? o well your logic and thinking confuses me sometimes by trying to be a better man and acting like I dont know anything about baseball but still throw little jabs at my personal self...little hypocritical but whatever  im always down for a little bj so i will pull my pants down so you can have a little taste next time im out at the ballpark


I wish Johnson the best of luck and Just think he is getting to much hype...we will see how he holds up latter on down the year when the opponets get harder and games mean something a little more than Just a W
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: atl7 on February 21, 2009, 07:24:45 PM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on February 21, 2009, 05:30:03 PM
ATl sorry for all the post replies to you. I just got breaking news stating you were a pro scout. Your boy Whitley shut out LC today. You are very entertaining so please keep posting. Whats size and being in a D1 program have to do with pro baseball. If I recall the number of players in D3 getting drafted are going up every year.  You def have some catching up to do and maybe if you read the likes of some of the posters on here who actually know baseball you can go out and enjoy a game and maybe even learn how fill out a score sheet. By the way CTX takes 2 of 3 from Louisiana at thier place. And calling players out on here the way you did shows you obvoisly have a hard on for CTX catcher. Can you not hold his jock?

O by the way I know its not uncommon for D-3 players to get drafted its just hard to make it in the system....all Im saying if I knew I was good and people kept telling me why not take things into my own hands and go talk to coaches at the higher level and tell them to give me shot at the better players to help me improve better...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: atl7 on February 21, 2009, 07:45:07 PM
o ya there are only 44 players in the system from d-3 baseball and out of those 44 only 6 are on major league rosters....scouts would rather pass on selecting a pitcher come out of D-3 baseball and go with kids out of High School because of how raw they are and they dont want players going to D1 schools becuase of how the coaches can sometimes mess things up, to much pitching, teach them things that dont want to be taught, another thing is a scout would look at looking at D3 players is are they even developed in the Mental side of the game, will the be able to keep pitching even when getting hitting, can they handle the pressure of having to pitch every pitch and not take a pitch off....there are so many variables that make it hard for D3 players to be drafted....its like the lowest of lowest forms of competition in colligate baseball below that of NAIA as well so bascially D-4....its hard to waste a draft pick on something you are not sure how long they will last or develop and plus age comes into play as well its very rare for player to picked after there junior year in d3 and most are picked after senior year making them about 22-23 or older in some cases so they dont have much time to a prospect and a being looked at like they could be on a major league team in 2-3 years
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on February 21, 2009, 08:12:13 PM
Quote from: atl7 on February 21, 2009, 04:07:12 PM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on February 19, 2009, 09:36:32 PM
Atl I never mentioned Riggles? Michael Johnson is thier best pitcher this year and he didnt throw. Yes Riggles did have 9k's against UT Dallas to open the year , and did struggle again a great team in Texas Weslayan. I dont know where you are going with this ? Whitley is the # 3 or four guy, and the pitcher that Transfered in from TCU didnt even throw the first game.  You need to seriously go to some games or revamp your insight on baseball to come with that weak smack . I hear Tennis is easy to catch up on.

Yes I know you never mentioned Riggles....my original post was taken off before you could read it so here it is with a little edit some grown men can't read bad words or get all mad like a bunch of women at a tea party

anyways all this hype over this san Jac pitcher is a bunch of BS....if he was the real deal he would have been drafted out of San Jac or gone to a D1 or D2 program....in fact he might have got offers but wanted to make his stats look better against D3 opponets....wow he can throw in the 90's he is 5'10 that ball is mostly likely flat as hell and would get crushed by anybody who can actually swing the stick...im sure he has a good curve, but I bet he cant hit with it every time...If HT got an average of a hit every inning he pitched he cant be that great...the last real deal out of Concordia was Miller and he did not even get drafted he is still in Indy Baseball and that guy had a slider that was like that of Lidge or somebody...so all this hype about this kid needs to stop...now on the otherhand Mister Tom Williams is a possible draft pick in the late rounds....he is big, strong, and can hit for power and average, he also has very good speed...his only downfall his he can get lazy out in the field but yes I could actually see him get drafted anywhere from 35th round till the end..

that pictcher from TCU did not even play for the Horned Frogs...and he has got hit pretty hard this year...8 runs on 7 hits in 5inn. agains LC


WOW...this is getting a little out of hand...ATL, act like you've been around the game for a while if you are going to single people out.  I am not sure why you are so bitter, and frankly I dont care; I am only responding to this post due to your disrespect of the people that govern this site and make it possible for us to discuss baseball together.  If you would do a little research you might understand that "the grown man that got all mad like a woman @ a tea party" is the site administrator.  This isn't orangebloods, and if you know anything about the D3 baseball community then hopefully you know the difference.  I am not telling you not to single out the players and give your honest opinion, just try and show a little class to the brass.  

Don't get your panties in a wad because Michael Johnson throws hard.  We are all well aware that he is at a D3 program.  Did you ever play kickball as a kid?  When you were picking your team, who did you pick first?  That being said, whether or not he is the real-deal or not doesn't matter.  You are bit more focused on what didnt happen in the past as opposed to making solid arguments about present situations.  We can all come with hypothetical situations but most of us save those for a wet dream.  When you make statements like a kid wants to pad his stats, you are only agreeing his talent might be good enough to play at a higher level of competition...who the hell wouldnt put themselves in a situation to have a successful college career.  If you want to know why the kid isnt @ a D1 or D2 school then write him a letter and ask him, I am sure he would be more than enthused to answer all of your positive insight on why he isn't as good as you want him to be.  FYI, before you write your letter, I think you should know there isn't a stat for: being 5'10", throwing a flat fastball, and not hitting with a curve everytime.  Statements like those only indicate you dont even understand whatever it is you are trying to say.  Now those of us that can actually swing a stick, also know its confidence that makes us good, not cockyness.  The difference between the two is respect.  You should try it sometime, trust me; your whole perspective of the game will broaden, you begin to see your stats improve, and you might even make a few friends along the way.

Concordia University Texas Athletic Dept.
Attn: Michael Johnson (Baseball)
11400 Concordia University Drive
Austin, TX 78726

Miller is the real deal?  Once again, your inability to make wise judgements only makes me wonder why I am spending the time to disect your post.  Miller was not the real deal.  He was in the weekend rotation, and he did throw hard...but he was consistently inconsistent.  You already said that if Michael Johnson was the real deal then he would have been drafted or at a D1 or D2 school...then your pick for the real deal is Miller.  You dont make any sense.  You do know that Concordia University is a D3 school right?  When you compare Miller's fastball to "Lidge or Somebody" it almosts sounds as though you caught him?  Anyone that knows anything about anything knows that David White was the last real deal to leave Concordia.

Your ability to make draft predictions makes me want to have you pick my lottery #'s next tuesday night. Why on earth would write an entire paragraph of BS and then try and make a logical prediction...you are a bit delusional and possibly suffering from hypomania...but I am not psychiatrist, so dont run off and start taking a bunch of meds...I dont know what all shows up on your crystal ball, but being the professional scout that you are, you should know that if in fact Williams did get drafted he wouldnt play outfield at a higher level...so this takes care of him being "lazy" in the outfield.  Put him at 1st base and let the kid rake, end of story.  My guess is that Coach Gardner and the rest of the Home Team would rather have WIlliams be "lazy" in the outfield as opposed to Thielepape grazing the outfield grass.  I bet you $100 you wont call Tom Williams "lazy" to his face.  

As for your insight on Matt Coburn ... the guy has made 3 appearances ... there isnt a starting pitcher alive that has a 0.0 ERA ... let the guy pitch.  If he is still getting shelled in 6 weeks, then run your mouth...just wait until the proper time to do so.

Why are you so bitter of these Concordia guys anyway?  Did you not make the squad?  Is one of them sleeping with your exgirlfriend?  You obviously cant hold any of these guys jockstraps or you would be wearing one ... thus resulting in you and I not having this conversation.

Hey, show your email address on your profile...i am gonna send you my NCAA bracket as a .pdf attachment.  I was hoping you could rub your crystal ball and fill it out for me. ill give you 10%. thanks!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 21, 2009, 08:14:22 PM
McMurry (http://eagles.ozarks.edu/news/news.aspx?NewsID=3514) sweeps UOz, 5-1 and 9-4.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on February 21, 2009, 08:21:32 PM
Quote from: atl7 on February 21, 2009, 07:45:07 PM
o ya there are only 44 players in the system from d-3 baseball and out of those 44 only 6 are on major league rosters....scouts would rather pass on selecting a pitcher come out of D-3 baseball and go with kids out of High School because of how raw they are and they dont want players going to D1 schools becuase of how the coaches can sometimes mess things up, to much pitching, teach them things that dont want to be taught, another thing is a scout would look at looking at D3 players is are they even developed in the Mental side of the game, will the be able to keep pitching even when getting hitting, can they handle the pressure of having to pitch every pitch and not take a pitch off....there are so many variables that make it hard for D3 players to be drafted....its like the lowest of lowest forms of competition in colligate baseball below that of NAIA as well so bascially D-4....its hard to waste a draft pick on something you are not sure how long they will last or develop and plus age comes into play as well its very rare for player to picked after there junior year in d3 and most are picked after senior year making them about 22-23 or older in some cases so they dont have much time to a prospect and a being looked at like they could be on a major league team in 2-3 years


You are retarded.  Please proofread your posts.  Most of us do not speak ebonics.  Your outrageous perspective on the game is 2nd to none.  Please do us all a favor and speak in complete sentences and use proper grammar.  If you wish to speak in fragments, then please use bullet points. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 21, 2009, 08:27:48 PM
Quote from: HAMBONE on February 21, 2009, 08:21:32 PM
Quote from: atl7 on February 21, 2009, 07:45:07 PM
o ya there are only 44 players in the system from d-3 baseball and out of those 44 only 6 are on major league rosters....scouts would rather pass on selecting a pitcher come out of D-3 baseball and go with kids out of High School because of how raw they are and they dont want players going to D1 schools becuase of how the coaches can sometimes mess things up, to much pitching, teach them things that dont want to be taught, another thing is a scout would look at looking at D3 players is are they even developed in the Mental side of the game, will the be able to keep pitching even when getting hitting, can they handle the pressure of having to pitch every pitch and not take a pitch off....there are so many variables that make it hard for D3 players to be drafted....its like the lowest of lowest forms of competition in colligate baseball below that of NAIA as well so bascially D-4....its hard to waste a draft pick on something you are not sure how long they will last or develop and plus age comes into play as well its very rare for player to picked after there junior year in d3 and most are picked after senior year making them about 22-23 or older in some cases so they dont have much time to a prospect and a being looked at like they could be on a major league team in 2-3 years


You are retarded.  Please proofread your posts.  Most of us do not speak ebonics.  Your outrageous perspective on the game is 2nd to none.  Please do us all a favor and speak in complete sentences and use proper grammar.  If you wish to speak in fragments, then please use bullet points. 
Fortunately, he has left!

(Or Pat pulled his privileges in the time that I read all that has transpired.)

Really immature!

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 21, 2009, 09:06:34 PM
Ralph,

Great weekend McMurry. I thought they might drop to 3rd in the ASC with the loss of some of the big guns in the middle of their line-up, but they swept what I still think will be the 2nd place team in the East.

In other news UT Dallas completes the sweep of TLU after rallying from big deficits twice on Saturday to take 14-13 (http://cometsports.utdallas.edu/custompages/CURRENT%20STATS/BSBALL/tluutd2.htm) and 10-9 (http://cometsports.utdallas.edu/custompages/CURRENT%20STATS/BSBALL/tluutd3.htm) victories.

In the first game of the double header. UTD rallies for an 11 run 7th after the first two hitters of the inning go down swinging. They were down 13-3 going into the inning. DH Randy Lorber was 3-3 with 2 runs scored and 3 RBI, and C Adam Hudec (who led the charge Friday) was 2-4 with 2 runs and 3 RBI.

For TLU Kyle Harvey was 2-4 w/ 2 runs and 4 RBI (Grandslam), and Jeremy Macklin went 3-4 w/ 3 runs and 2 RBI.

In the second game, Harvey and Macklin stayed hot respectively, but CF Neal Gordon and LF Jared Smith contributed 3 RBIs each as UTD Dallas prevailed 10-9 in another slugfest.

The bright side for TLU who falls to 6-5 is that CF Kyle Harvey continues playing like an All American and went 7-13 with 5 runs scored, 7 RBI, 2 HR, and a stolen base.



JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on February 22, 2009, 12:05:08 AM
Hambone you pretty much owned him. Good stuff
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmguy19 on February 22, 2009, 12:44:23 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 21, 2009, 08:14:22 PM
McMurry (http://eagles.ozarks.edu/news/news.aspx?NewsID=3514) sweeps UOz, 5-1 and 9-4.

Well McM did do better then I first thought, I took 2 of 3 but they got the sweep.  I know that McM does have alot of youth and are playing like jr's and sr's.  In that we will see how they can handle there home schedule this season playing a good portion of there games this weekend...on that part of youth Mullins and Thompson are playing at a very high level right now.  We will see how that plays out for McM as they get closer to ASC West Play. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on February 22, 2009, 01:06:15 AM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on February 22, 2009, 12:05:08 AM
Hambone you pretty much owned him. Good stuff

Blackcat you've been around this game long enough to know how important kharma and the baseball gods are.  He will undoubtedly get caught slippin at some point if he always treats the game like this.  Remember the part on 'Major League' when Harris drinks Serrano's rum and says "up your butt Joboo?"  Then he got smoked with bat!  Well I dont believe in Joboo, but thats not the point...the point is thats what Serrano believed in and he didnt respect it...

It might be a "bad hop" tomorrow at practice; a foul ball @ a Cub's game he takes his girlfriend to in 3 years; or a freak pitching machine accident at the put-put course trying to dominate "Very-Fast" for his son someday ... but it will catch up with him...I just hope he remembers this very moment when it does happen so he doesnt find some lame excuse why the world is out to get him...

toodles
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on February 22, 2009, 11:34:34 AM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on February 21, 2009, 09:06:34 PM
Ralph,

Great weekend McMurry. I thought they might drop to 3rd in the ASC with the loss of some of the big guns in the middle of their line-up, but they swept what I still think will be the 2nd place team in the East.

In other news UT Dallas completes the sweep of TLU after rallying from big deficits twice on Saturday to take 14-13 (http://cometsports.utdallas.edu/custompages/CURRENT%20STATS/BSBALL/tluutd2.htm) and 10-9 (http://cometsports.utdallas.edu/custompages/CURRENT%20STATS/BSBALL/tluutd3.htm) victories.

In the first game of the double header. UTD rallies for an 11 run 7th after the first two hitters of the inning go down swinging. They were down 13-3 going into the inning. DH Randy Lorber was 3-3 with 2 runs scored and 3 RBI, and C Adam Hudec (who led the charge Friday) was 2-4 with 2 runs and 3 RBI.

For TLU Kyle Harvey was 2-4 w/ 2 runs and 4 RBI (Grandslam), and Jeremy Macklin went 3-4 w/ 3 runs and 2 RBI.

In the second game, Harvey and Macklin stayed hot respectively, but CF Neal Gordon and LF Jared Smith contributed 3 RBIs each as UTD Dallas prevailed 10-9 in another slugfest.

The bright side for TLU who falls to 6-5 is that CF Kyle Harvey continues playing like an All American and went 7-13 with 5 runs scored, 7 RBI, 2 HR, and a stolen base.



JSG
JSG,

Thanks for the bright spot commet however, these three games really showed me that this could be a long rollercoaster of a season if something doesn't get sorted out up the middle for TLU.

I don't know who kept the book on these games but whoever it was is very kind in to only record two errors over the last two games. There were several more than what shows up in the boxscores. There were two errors committed in the last inning of the second game both from the middle infield that cost TLU the win and Macklin the loss.

In game one of yesterday, pitching just left the area in that 11 run inning. Again, how you get 11 runs plated with two outs and not commit any errors is beyond me.  The umps weren't helpful either. calling a dropped fly ball to LF an out and a pop fly to third (Macklin) a dropped ball really didn't help our cause at all. Macklin caught that ball clean and then drop it on the exchanged after taking two steps beyond where it caught the ball.  Burnnett about blew a gasket on the umps...

Besides the cold, the wind was nonestop; blow in every direction it seem. Farr hit a ball that had the LF running in circles asking for help in finding it finally, the ump singled HR... Siniff, and McGill homered in addition to Harvey in the third game.

Dawgsdad
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: infielddad on February 22, 2009, 12:28:42 PM
Quote from: Dawgsdad on February 22, 2009, 11:34:34 AM

JSG,

Thanks for the bright spot commet however, these three games really showed me that this could be a long rollercoaster of a season if something doesn't get sorted out up the middle for TLU.

I don't know who kept the book on these games but whoever it was is very kind in to only record two errors over the last two games. There were several more than what shows up in the boxscores. There were two errors committed in the last inning of the second game both from the middle infield that cost TLU the win and Macklin the loss.

In game one of yesterday, pitching just left the area in that 11 run inning. Again, how you get 11 runs plated with two outs and not commit any errors is beyond me.  The umps weren't helpful either. calling a dropped fly ball to LF an out and a pop fly to third (Macklin) a dropped ball really didn't help our cause at all. Macklin caught that ball clean and then drop it on the exchanged after taking two steps beyond where it caught the ball.  Burnnett about blew a gasket on the umps...

Besides the cold, the wind was nonestop; blow in every direction it seem. Farr hit a ball that had the LF running in circles asking for help in finding it finally, the ump singled HR... Siniff, and McGill homered in addition to Harvey in the third game.

Dawgsdad

Dawgsdad,


Baseball is a very hard game to play.
Build in the elements you are describing and it is even more challenging. 
Suggesting on a public message board that, for your son's team,  the play of the middle infielders is hurting the team,  scoring decisions on balls hit up the middle are not properly being reflected as an E vs. a H,  and proposing the coaches need to address these issues does not come across well, to me at least..
While I don't feel it is the position of a college parent to discuss those items with the college coaches, I know it is done at times.  To me, those are private conversations, not message board material, especially when you build it around scoring decisions where your son got an L and an E.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 22, 2009, 01:56:06 PM
What throws up a red flag for me is that you've been very supportive of the middle infield all year long as evidenced by the quotes below:

QuoteGreen has been exceptionally good this early part of the season. He's made some really tough plays and I expect that both will improve overall

QuoteFemath just had an off day - not sure what was up, but he was very solid over the weekend. Green is having a good start at SS and the work that he's been putting in with Macklin to his right is showing. Except for a short arm throw, he's been flawless.

I think Infielddad said it best, and I echo his sentiments. I know it's frustrating when your son gets dealt a loss (regardless of the situation), but I think the best approach is to realize that people don't make errors on purpose and stick behind the team.

Chances are those guys endured enough on the bus ride back to Seguin, but baseball has to be a game of short memories. Those guys just have to pick each other up, learn from this weekend, be thankful they don't count towards conference play and continue to grow as ball players.

When the pitcher's body language starts showing his frustration with his teammates, they get even more agitated. They're already beating themselves up, it happens, and a guy on the bump slapping his glove against his leg or slouching his shoulders certainly doesn't help.

[Mind you I'm not implying Jeremy did anything of those things, merely going on a 'baseball rant' here.]

I've been the culprit of some of those actions before, but I tried to make sure it only happened because of a lack of effort or mental lapse, and never for errors that sometimes happen. Even then, was it may place to say something? Probably not, probably best left for the coach to take care of, but I approached my teammates afterward and explained that the only reason I'd act like it because I know how good they were and I expected better from them.

I have also been on the receiving end of it, and I can assure you that the initial response is to get angry and defensive -- it makes it tougher to shake off the error if you're questioning yourself, not too mention it makes the culprit seem like he cares more about his efforts than the teams.

There's hundreds of ways to react, and if you're an emotional player chances are you've reacted that many different ways.

Some of the things that have worked best for me are to say something simple like, "Hey, it happens. It's on me, I'm sending the next one right back you." -- I've found that they don't usually take offense to this, provides a little relief, and makes them maintain their focus.

Another is to say nothing, and when you get back to the dugout just assure them, that it's not a big deal, it happens, and to get it back at the plate.

The point is to know your teammates enough to know how to react to these types of situations. Everybody has different dispositions, and need to be approached differently. There are guys I've played with you could say, "Damn, that ball hit that rock just right to miss your glove huh?" - They'd laugh and we'd go back to work.

I'm so far away from where I originally started now, but then, that's what I love about this game. It's so complex. So perfect.

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 22, 2009, 04:50:27 PM
"Thanks for the bright spot commet however, these three games really showed me that this could be a long rollercoaster of a season if something doesn't get sorted out up the middle for TLU.

I don't know who kept the book on these games but whoever it was is very kind in to only record two errors over the last two games. There were several more than what shows up in the boxscores. There were two errors committed in the last inning of the second game both from the middle infield that cost TLU the win and Macklin the loss. "


I dont know about you, but if I was a teammate of a player who's dad is writing this stuff on the message board about my play, I wouldnt be very happy about it. Especially when that Dad's son is leading the team in errors.

No disrespect intended, but you better hope for team chemistry's sake that the TLU players aren't reading this board.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on February 22, 2009, 04:52:31 PM
Infielddad, JSC,

I feel I must apologize to this section of the board or the entire borad for that matter. I guess that 18 hours driving (from California (Marine Son Deployed to Iraq)) to get to these games and enduring the cold, wind and all, just got the better of me. I stll am very supportive of this team, but at the same time, I feel that sometimes things need to be said.

Baseball is indeed a rough game with many twists. Scoring is difficult enough, but is it wrong to want to see consistency in it? My own kid accepts such falls better than I do, I'll admit that, but I am only asking for consistency. I know I won't get it and that's part of the game... Emotions are very much part of this game and we all need to learn to control them. I should have rested more before commenting today. I accept the slaps from the two of you. I respect you both and agree that my own frustration got the better of me today.

There is a lot of season left and although I am frustrated with the middle infield, I know that there is chemistry within this group to pull through. I have not given up on them, it just wasn't an encouraging day. Hopefully, these guys will look within, along with the coaches and learn from this weekend. We should have won both games yesterday but didn't - that's what madding about this game as much as I love it. The question remains - can recovery happen - I believe it can; and it will.

Thank you both again for bringing me in line. I will measure my words and comments better going forward.

Dawgsdad
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: yuckmonkey on February 22, 2009, 05:28:17 PM
Quote from: mcmguy19 on February 22, 2009, 12:44:23 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 21, 2009, 08:14:22 PM
McMurry (http://eagles.ozarks.edu/news/news.aspx?NewsID=3514) sweeps UOz, 5-1 and 9-4.

Well McM did do better then I first thought, I took 2 of 3 but they got the sweep.  I know that McM does have alot of youth and are playing like jr's and sr's.  In that we will see how they can handle there home schedule this season playing a good portion of there games this weekend...on that part of youth Mullins and Thompson are playing at a very high level right now.  We will see how that plays out for McM as they get closer to ASC West Play. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on February 22, 2009, 10:03:07 PM
Ill have to disagree. The only thing not to mention on message boards are foul language , personal threats and name calling and putting personal info on here. Dawgs dad you have a good point and that stuff goes on in this conference that can get called out.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: infielddad on February 22, 2009, 11:25:37 PM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on February 22, 2009, 10:03:07 PM
Ill have to disagree. The only thing not to mention on message boards are foul language , personal threats and name calling and putting personal info on here. Dawgs dad you have a good point and that stuff goes on in this conference that can get called out.
Well, I have to disagree.  Pat Coleman, and the folks who put this message board together, have provided the terms of service and give us examples.
Whether posters are players, former players, parents, former parents or interested observers, I don't think Pat and those who created this board envisioned it would be just fine to be talking about internal team issues  or how  someone, who remains anonymous on this site, doesn't think certain players/positions are doing their job, etc.
My view is that the only ones who get to criticize for those types of issues are those who played the game at the highest level and didn't make errors, didn't strike out, made all the plays, made all the pitches and had the 0.00 ERA.
I truly love DIII baseball.  I have the greatest admiration for those who play it because they love the game and sacrifice so much to play it and play it well. 
I thought DawgsDad made a wonderful response.
I thank him for doing that.
More importantly, I thank his son for his service to our Country.
Let's keep this a fun board where we talk about baseball, the teams and the competition.  To start getting personal and think it is okay...No Thanks!
I hope Ralph and Pat can help us on this one, if we cannot work it out on our own.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on February 22, 2009, 11:56:04 PM
Quote from: infielddad on February 22, 2009, 11:25:37 PM
More importantly, I thank his son for his service to our Country.
Let's keep this a fun board where we talk about baseball, the teams and the competition.  To start getting personal and think it is okay...No Thanks!
I hope Ralph and Pat can help us on this one, if we cannot work it out on our own.

I will have to agree with you completely on all of this especially the thanking his son he does things that not many people are willing to do and for that I am truly thankful....

But now on to baseball...after a good weekend out of both UTT and the Indians....should be an interesting weekend!!!! My take is going to be of course McM 2 games to 1

Keys for McM to win:
1. Starting Pitching: This one of the major issues that i think they will have to face is consistency.  Curry has been up and down in his three starts and he will need to set the tone this weekend, Smith is throwing better as the year goes all though the year is still very young, and Martin seems to be fitting into the starting role quite nice.

2. Defense: McM has been a little suspect with a few games with more than three errors, and you cannot do that and beat a good team like UTT, because they will take advantage of mistakes.

3. Get to UTT early:  I do not know what their bullpen looks like this year but I do know that in the past if you got past their starters the layers in their bullpen were very thin.

I do not have very good intel on UTT, but I do know this...Both teams will hit both teams will hit both teams will hit!!!!!!!!  I think that these games will be won on the bump and i would predict that whoever has better starting pitching wins the series (I know this is kinda general but here its true). 

Starting Pitching: Advantage UTT
Hitting: Its a virtual tie but I am going with the Indians for two reasons (Home Field, and UTT's history at Driggers Field)
Bullpen: Advantage Indians
Defense: Advantage UTT
Coaching: I will say advantage Indians because of the one the only John "The Legend" Byington, but both coaches are very very very good baseball men

All in all it should be a great series..I am so upset i have to miss it due to work...best of luck to both teams and safe driving you UTT fans and I hope you have a long drive home.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmguy19 on February 23, 2009, 12:58:13 AM
Quote from: indian4life on February 22, 2009, 11:56:04 PM
Quote from: infielddad on February 22, 2009, 11:25:37 PM
More importantly, I thank his son for his service to our Country.
Let's keep this a fun board where we talk about baseball, the teams and the competition.  To start getting personal and think it is okay...No Thanks!
I hope Ralph and Pat can help us on this one, if we cannot work it out on our own.

I will have to agree with you completely on all of this especially the thanking his son he does things that not many people are willing to do and for that I am truly thankful....

But now on to baseball...after a good weekend out of both UTT and the Indians....should be an interesting weekend!!!! My take is going to be of course McM 2 games to 1

Keys for McM to win:
1. Starting Pitching: This one of the major issues that i think they will have to face is consistency.  Curry has been up and down in his three starts and he will need to set the tone this weekend, Smith is throwing better as the year goes all though the year is still very young, and Martin seems to be fitting into the starting role quite nice.

2. Defense: McM has been a little suspect with a few games with more than three errors, and you cannot do that and beat a good team like UTT, because they will take advantage of mistakes.

3. Get to UTT early:  I do not know what their bullpen looks like this year but I do know that in the past if you got past their starters the layers in their bullpen were very thin.

I do not have very good intel on UTT, but I do know this...Both teams will hit both teams will hit both teams will hit!!!!!!!!  I think that these games will be won on the bump and i would predict that whoever has better starting pitching wins the series (I know this is kinda general but here its true). 

Starting Pitching: Advantage UTT
Hitting: Its a virtual tie but I am going with the Indians for two reasons (Home Field, and UTT's history at Driggers Field)
Bullpen: Advantage Indians
Defense: Advantage UTT
Coaching: I will say advantage Indians because of the one the only John "The Legend" Byington, but both coaches are very very very good baseball men

All in all it should be a great series..I am so upset i have to miss it due to work...best of luck to both teams and safe driving you UTT fans and I hope you have a long drive home.


Byno is a legend and a great coach....Hitting two walk off home runs against Texas in the same day thats big time...

I have a feeling that UTT will take 2 of 3 from McM.. Joe Towns is back who i thoguth graduated last May but I might be work...and Kendall Fox are the two guys for me who stick out.  Towns can hit for power and Fox just gets on base I dont know how he did it in high school too. 

The thing McM needs for them to take the series is for Cody Curry to throw one of the best games of the season...he has had problems this year but fought out of it and threw decent against Ozarks.  If he throws well and keeps UTT off balance and mixes his pitches up and gets them to roll over, the first game could go to Curry and the McM's or as I know them as the damn Indians.  Which if happens and Curry does do this i will then take McM 2 of 3,

Also for this series you need to take the weather into fact.  If i can remember the last two times UTT came to down the wind was blowing in steady from right.  So who knows how this will fare for both teams...it could be sleeting and 30 degrees or Hot windy and 95 (I havent looked at the weather since writing this so yah)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on February 23, 2009, 01:03:40 AM
Quote from: mcmguy19 on February 23, 2009, 12:58:13 AM

Byno is a legend and a great coach....Hitting two walk off home runs against Texas in the same day thats big time...


Not to mention a game tying three run bomb in the ninth the night before at Texas!!!! "BIG JOHN"
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 23, 2009, 01:09:45 AM
We have a big order in front of us.

I don't think that we have filled in the holes from last year.  At least McMurry has seen Chapman's pitching to get them ready.  Kitchens and Sigman were both "on" on  the days they threw.

The good thing about this series is that it doesn't count towards the division.

I will be ecstatic at winning two of three.


I also do not like to air "dirty laundry" on these boards.

There is no way that the other side can say what they need to say to balance the argument.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: PatriotASID on February 23, 2009, 01:52:38 AM
QuoteJoe Towns is back who i thoguth graduated last May but I might be work

McMGuy,
Joe actually did graduate but he did it early, so he is finishing his eligibility while he works on his Master's.  Also the Patriots combined for 8 HRs and 31 Ks against UMHB this weekend. I am not sure where UMHB ranks in the West, but that should provide some indication to where they are so far this year. I think the series this weekend will be great.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 23, 2009, 07:56:40 AM
I can say after watching this weekends games (UMHB vs Tyler), that there is no way McMurry will have an edge anywhere in the pitching category. They have 4 or 5 very quality arms out of the bullpen, and I didnt even see one of their pitchers who ate up a bunch of innings last season out of the pen. I wouldnt judge their staff by striking out 31 UMHB batters in 3 games, just for the fact that UMHB (very young team) is averaging 8 strikeouts a game anyways.

I have no idea what McMurry looks like, but I think I would go out on a limb, and say this years UT Tyler team would take 2 of 3 from last year's McMurry team. Booher, Holland, and Wolfe weren't as overpowering velocity wise as I thought they would be, but they have plus breaking pitches, and for the most spot can spot it where they want. Booher had some control issues on Saturday I think walking 5 or 6 in just 5 innings.

UT Tyler's offense is pretty impressive as well. They got very few cheap hits this weekend. They were mashing. To put this in perspective, Mississippi College's arguably best hitter from last season (Paige Hodges) is batting 8 hole and was on the bench one of the three games.

I definitely think they are beatable, but you can't make too many mistakes. I think its going to be interesting to see how McMurry does this weekend.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on February 23, 2009, 10:22:57 AM
UTT has a solid team but as you all may recall lost with Holland on the mound to CTX at home. UTT also does not have a great record in Abilene (was so so in last years pre-confernce tournament and in the playoffs). So this will be a big test for them. I am very impressed with their defense. Allowed no errors for the entire series against UMHB and only had one or two the week before. Their starters are as good as there are in the confernce and they have more depth in the bullpen than last year. They have a solid hitting team but no standout power hitters. So as far as I can see this can go either way but I always have to favor MCM at home. Although this will be an interesting preview what I really want to see is how UTT performs in May when it really counts.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on February 23, 2009, 03:03:08 PM
I just want to throw this out there but another home field advantage that McM has is the mound.  Although, it is perfect regulation size mound it appears to be much larger...this can both throw off the hitters and the pitchers for a few innings.  It is a very deceiving mound!

And TxBB and Dp thanks for the insight on UTT's Bullpen like I had mentioned I only know of them from last year i have not had much time to keep up with them this year.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 23, 2009, 03:55:57 PM
No prob, and who knows. I have been wrong before. I haven't seen McMurry's bullpen so I don't have much to base it against. Anything can happen. Tyler definitely has some quality arms coming out of the pen though.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on February 25, 2009, 12:02:24 AM
Patriots look impressive in tune up for big McM series this weekend. UTT shut out HS 7-0 with its pitching staff allowing only 2 hits while striking out an eye popping 15 batters.  Tommy Rozell went 7 innings and recorded 12 of those Ks allowing only 1 hit and 1 walk. He is 2-0 and looks like UTT has found a 4th starter which they will need to be successful in post season play. Once again the Patriots defense did not commit any errors. So in the last 4 games they have not committed a single error and only a total of 4 in their last 7 games. Good pitching and good defense, if they can keep it up will carry this team a long way. (Not bad hitting either!)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on February 25, 2009, 09:24:55 AM
Significance of McM v. UTT series this weekend. Although this series will not impact the conference standings or conference tournament pairings it will have an impact on ptential NCAA Pool selections. West region games count to determine if a team is offered an NCAA tournament invitation. So the series is important to both teams from that perspective. UTT has not had a big road series yet this year. In fact they have not played a single game away from the friendly and comfortable confines of Irwin field this year. Historically they have not played well when they have had long trips away from home expecially at Diggers field. McM needs to do well in this series also since they have already been swept by Chapman. From a pool play perspective they cannot drop more west region games. UTT must prove that it can win big games in Abeline. So both teams have alot riding on this series. Should be interesting.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2009, 09:28:10 PM
Copied from the women's basketball message board.



The regional rankings are out for the last public time in basketball.

We will probably have two very good teams that might qualify for bids, and we might have a division that is shut out of bids for the playoffs, just barely.

We have CTX announcing adding track and field and ETBU adding tennis (both mens' and women's I assume).

Let's look at an option to increase the number of AQ's that we get.

To be a conference to earn the AQ, you must have seven full members (or at least 4 core members and three affiliates.) 




The ASC-West could split off the ASC (go into Pool B for two years) and then 2 years later have these AQ sports.

VB
Football (accepting ETBU, LaColl and MissColl as affiliates)
M/W Soccer
M/W Basketball
M/W Tennis
Baseball
Softball
M/W Golf (accepting the ASC-East teams in both sports as affiliates; currently LeTU, MC, UTD and UTT for the men; LeTU UTT and UTD for the women.)

The ASC-West would have the required four schools to sponsor a conference championship in M/W T&F (CTX, HSU, McM, SRSU and TLU-women).  UT-Tyler and MissColl could affiliate for both genders.

The ASC-West also has 4 schools sponsoring  Men's XC (CTX, McM, SRSU and Schreiner) and 5 in women's Cross Country (CTX, HSU, McM, Schreiner and SRSU).   The West schools could affiliate for a combined championship with the East if they wished under an affiliation agreement.




Where does that leave the ASC-East.  I understand that a conference needs to sponsor five men's and five women's sports.

The East has the full 7 schools to earn the AQ for these sports.

M/W Soccer
M/W Basketball
M/W Tennis (now that ETBU has added both M/W tennis)
Baseball
Softball.

The ASC-East has these core members in Cross Country to sponsor the sports.

MXC -- (5) ETBU, MissColl , UOz, UTD, UTT
WXC -- (6) ETBU, LaColl, MissColl, UOz, UTD, UTT.

The West schools could affiliate with the East "conference" for the championship.

What is left that we haven't covered?  LaColl and UOz need to add volleyball for the ASC-East to have the AQ.

The result--

We gain AQ bids in Volleyball, M/W Soccer, M/W Basketball, M/W Tennis, Softball and Baseball!


You win the East.  Your first playoff game may be the West, but it is in the NCAA's and not the ASC tourney finals.

That is 9 more bids to the NCAA's after the two provisional years needed by the new conference.  Long-term crossover contracts between the two schools could be signed to assure games.  Our complaints about weak schools on the schedules would be mitigated by the fact that we had doubled our bids in this part of the country.



The weakness in this strategy is this.

Texas Wesleyan spent an exploratory year moving up from D-II about 2001.  TWU moved right on thru to the NAIA and Red River AC.

UDallas, a charter member left the ASC in 2001.

Another Charter member, Austin College left us in 2006.

Those schools are "east".

This strategy has been on the books for nearly a decade.  It has suffered three setbacks.  It makes sense.  Nevertheless, a team leaving the conference and dropping below the threshold of 7 teams and this strategy backfires.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on February 25, 2009, 10:44:15 PM
Ralph that is an interesting theoretical discussion. I certainly am in favor of expanding the ASC NCAA bid potentials in all sports. Maybee UD could be persuaded to rejoin the ASC East or even Austin College. I would like to see UTT and UTD add football. There was at least discussion of football at UTT when my son went there a couple of years ago. It may never have progressed beyond talk but I sure would like to see it happen. They have land and big sports sponsors but football is the most expensive of the sports to start and maintain. When I went to DIV III in Ohio I played football and most of the private colleges sponsored football and still do. UTT is a state school I am sure they could find the funds.

I still also believe that eventually UTT will move up to either DIV II or even DIV I. It keeps adding students and its overall enrollment is now up close to 6,000 if you add in the grad school. They are constantly building and expanding the campus and it is part of the University of Texas System and the only public university in north east Texas.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2009, 11:29:07 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on February 25, 2009, 10:44:15 PM
Ralph that is an interesting theoretical discussion. I certainly am in favor of expanding the ASC NCAA bid potentials in all sports. Maybee UD could be persuaded to rejoin the ASC East or even Austin College. I would like to see UTT and UTD add football. There was at least discussion of football at UTT when my son went there a couple of years ago. It may never have progressed beyond talk but I sure would like to see it happen. They have land and big sports sponsors but football is the most expensive of the sports to start and maintain. When I went to DIV III in Ohio I played football and most of the private colleges sponsored football and still do. UTT is a state school I am sure they could find the funds.

I still also believe that eventually UTT will move up to either DIV II or even DIV I. It keeps adding students and its overall enrollment is now up close to 6,000 if you add in the grad school. They are constantly building and expanding the campus and it is part of the University of Texas System and the only public university in north east Texas.
Austin College has landed where they have wanted to be for a long period of time.

I really don't know the conditions that would bring UDallas back to the ASC.  They have a Phi Beta Kappa chapter.  They have tried to improve their academic selectivity.  The very seldom schedule ASC team unless there is a clear distinct advantage to their selecting that game.  They see their peers as the SCAC.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on February 26, 2009, 01:19:24 AM
In a completely theoretical and ideal situation, all DIII Texas Schools could be in the same conference.  That would be pretty interesting...but i guess I take that back especially for baseball.  I would rather not have to be the best in TX in order to get an automatic bid.....though thats not far from the truth as it is.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: RSSmith on February 26, 2009, 07:16:15 AM
Quote from: tloc14 on February 26, 2009, 01:19:24 AM
In a completely theoretical and ideal situation, all DIII Texas Schools could be in the same conference.  That would be pretty interesting...but i guess I take that back especially for baseball.  I would rather not have to be the best in TX in order to get an automatic bid.....though thats not far from the truth as it is.

And that 10-hour bus ride from LeTourneau to Sul Ross would be a bear.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: nvnorthpaw on February 26, 2009, 11:50:16 AM
Quote from: RSSmith on February 26, 2009, 07:16:15 AM
Quote from: tloc14 on February 26, 2009, 01:19:24 AM
In a completely theoretical and ideal situation, all DIII Texas Schools could be in the same conference.  That would be pretty interesting...but i guess I take that back especially for baseball.  I would rather not have to be the best in TX in order to get an automatic bid.....though thats not far from the truth as it is.

And that 10-hour bus ride from LeTourneau to Sul Ross would be a bear.

This is a valid point..however there are longer trips in existence already with the current organization of conferences.  Think...Arkansas(Hendrix) to Atlanta (Oglethorpe), S.A. (Trinity), or Colorado!? (CC, no baseball however). 10 hrs isn't too bad ;)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BaseballFreak on February 26, 2009, 10:20:22 PM
I predict a UT Tyler sweep this weekend.  I know Vilade is really geared up for this series and the Patriots have the best pitching.  I keep saying there is something about the pitching coach, it is not just recruiting.  It is the way they prepare.  It is the way the games are called.  It is the way adjustments are made throughout the game.  The staff has a freaking 1 ERA.  Not even close. ;)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2009, 10:21:48 PM
Quote from: nvnorthpaw on February 26, 2009, 11:50:16 AM
Quote from: RSSmith on February 26, 2009, 07:16:15 AM
Quote from: tloc14 on February 26, 2009, 01:19:24 AM
In a completely theoretical and ideal situation, all DIII Texas Schools could be in the same conference.  That would be pretty interesting...but i guess I take that back especially for baseball.  I would rather not have to be the best in TX in order to get an automatic bid.....though thats not far from the truth as it is.

And that 10-hour bus ride from LeTourneau to Sul Ross would be a bear.

This is a valid point..however there are longer trips in existence already with the current organization of conferences.  Think...Arkansas(Hendrix) to Atlanta (Oglethorpe), S.A. (Trinity), or Colorado!? (CC, no baseball however). 10 hrs isn't too bad ;)

Sul Ross to Mississippi College 14 hours.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on February 26, 2009, 11:21:00 PM
Baseball
Quote from: BaseballFreak on February 26, 2009, 10:20:22 PM
I predict a UT Tyler sweep this weekend.  I know Vilade is really geared up for this series and the Patriots have the best pitching.  I keep saying there is something about the pitching coach, it is not just recruiting.  It is the way they prepare.  It is the way the games are called.  It is the way adjustments are made throughout the game.  The staff has a freaking 1 ERA.  Not even close. ;)

I am as big of a UTT fan as anyone on these boards but you are going a little to far. They do have a good pitching staff but they are not invincible. If you look at the UMHB series their pitchers got hit. They gave up 10 hits in the first game and Booher walked 5 or 6 in 5 innings. Holland has been a little inconsistant early this season. Overall they have the best staff in the ASC but it is not heads and tails better. The thing that they have had is great defense. I said in an earlier post that if their team defense continues to play well they will go a long way this year. Combine good pitching with good defense and force the opponents to get 3 hits for each run they score and you are going to win most of the time. Stan is good guy my son pitched with him back in 2004 but Vilade is calling the shots and is the one that makes the decisions on when a pitcher gets pulled and how the game is called. Stan has earned his respect and has more influence now than he did a couple of years ago but make no mistake James in calling the shots during the games.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on February 27, 2009, 05:23:33 PM
CTX 18   UTD 6  6th inning.   

Tom Williams is 2-4 with two huge hr's to centerfield. On a side note Nelson field looked way better than I thought. The grass was in good shape and the infield didnt look bad at all, I was expecting the worse. Decent crowd , great weather.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on February 27, 2009, 09:33:52 PM
AAnyone else having trouble with the McMurry live stats?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on February 27, 2009, 09:42:10 PM
Yeah, I cannot make a connection. Perhaps Ralph will give us a live report. I could not drive to Abeline from Dallas today due to work.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on February 27, 2009, 09:42:57 PM
Just heard UTT is up 7-5 in the bottom of the 5th.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on February 27, 2009, 09:46:40 PM
You can get to the stats by going to the McM website and click on the athletic site "for fans" that will take you to the live stats.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on February 27, 2009, 10:07:21 PM
McM has tied the game and has a runner on 2nd with one out in the bottom of the 6th.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on February 27, 2009, 11:10:14 PM
McM comes back with a total of 15 hits to win 11-7. UTT still has not shown it has bullpen stregth and blew a 7-4 lead.

Dakota Smith was hit hard by UTT giving up 7 runs in 5 innings but Adian Goana pitched 4 shut out innings in relief giving up only 2 hits.  In the meantime UTT bullpen got hammered as Alverado and Cambell gave up together 6 runs in 4 innings of relief. 

UTT still has not shown it has a bullpen against a good hitting team.

This puts the preasure on UTT with Holland and Booher. They must pitch well for UTT to have a chance at two. McM did not have to use many pitchers as their offense and good releif made up for a lack luster start by Smith.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 27, 2009, 11:22:38 PM
So ASC Scores:

McMurry 11 - UTT Tyler 7 (http://athletics.mcm.edu/News/baseball/2009/2/27/022709bsb2.asp)
UMHB 10 - LeTourneau 2 (http://www2.umhb.edu/sportsinfo/cbaseball/022709-a.htm)
Concordia 19 - UT Dallas 14
Texas Lutheran 15 - Miss Coll 12 (http://www.tlu.edu/i/athletics/baseball/stats/2009/tlumis1a.htm)
Schreiner 12 - La College 9 (http://athletics.schreiner.edu/baseball/Results/Results09/022709bs.htm)
ETBU 12 - Sul Ross 2 (http://ascsports.org/sports/baseball/2009/bb0227f.htm)
Hardin Simmons 18 - Ozarks 5[/url

JSG (http://ascsports.org/sports/baseball/2009/bb0227g.htm)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmguy19 on February 27, 2009, 11:26:43 PM
Quote from: BaseballFreak on February 26, 2009, 10:20:22 PM
I predict a UT Tyler sweep this weekend.  I know Vilade is really geared up for this series and the Patriots have the best pitching.  I keep saying there is something about the pitching coach, it is not just recruiting.  It is the way they prepare.  It is the way the games are called.  It is the way adjustments are made throughout the game.  The staff has a freaking 1 ERA.  Not even close. ;)

Well I will take MCM in two of three....haha well they won tonight and my prediction now is kinda steping out o a limb....I don't know who will be starting for McM in the 7 inning game.  I think Martin would be the best bet with his back ground out of the bullpen. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 27, 2009, 11:31:03 PM
Quote from: mcmguy19 on February 27, 2009, 11:26:43 PM

Well I will take MCM in two of three....haha well they won tonight and my prediction now is kinda steping out o a limb....I don't know who will be starting for McM in the 7 inning game.  I think Martin would be the best bet with his back ground out of the bullpen. 

I'll take Tyler, in spite of their less than stellar play in Abilene to take both tomorrow. Booher and Holland are better pitchers than Wolfe, and they can go to a guy like Zeigler if they get in trouble tomorrow. Gaona is far and away McMurry's best relief option in my opinion, and Big John was right to go for the Dub tonight.

McMurry's proven to be more scrappy than I originally anticipated, but I still think UT Tyler is the best team in the ASC, and that CUA is the best team out West this year. Then again, it's really early, and we haven't even started the games that count for conference yet, but it's fun to speculate isn't it?

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on February 27, 2009, 11:41:52 PM
Some quick notes from Seguin today.

It was hot 90+!!  TLU won the first game of the series for the first time this year!

Top four of TLU's line up are still producing.  10 runs, 3 HR, 1 3B, and 3 2B between them. Farr (2) Macklin 1, 8 RBI and 3 HR between the 3 and 4 hole alone.

Other bright spots - Cody Miller cranked a 3 run shot with two outs in bottom of 3rd.

MC Hinson really didn't pitch all that bad - Hit hard by TLU's 1, 3, 4 and 5 hitters... MC also keep coming as the score would confirm!

Tomorrow will be a completely different day condition wise. Forecast to be in upper 50's low 60's and winds blowing 25 to 35 mph from the North...! Stay tuned...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 28, 2009, 10:01:43 AM
Its very early, and I am curious to see how today plays out with the windy conditions around the state. I am very surprised at how McMurry took it to Tyler's bullpen. Looks like I may have been wrong there, but then again it is only one game. I still think Tyler has the advantage, and Villade isnt afraid to go to his bullpen early if need be.

Will Booher be in control today will be the big question. If Tyler gets good production out of Booher and Holland, they should be in decent shape, but then again if Cody Curry is on it will be very interesting. If I remember correctly Curry is a ground ball pitcher so that should help.

Very tough to guage where the conference is right now. Ozarks has fallen off, and its hard to tell where UMHB fits into the mix as well. They have played a fairly tough schedule to date and have held on decently. TLU and Hardin Simmons are hard to figure out right now as well. Staggs didnt record an out yesterday in the first before being yanked.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 28, 2009, 10:27:33 AM
So let's talk about some random stuff this morning:

Guys off to a great start offensively:
Tom Williams - CUA --> .524 avg, 14 R, 5 2B, 7 HR, 19 RBI
Cody Jones - ETBU --> .564 avg, 15 R, 6 2B, 3 HR, 12 RBI, 10:4 BB/K
Joseph Villegas - UMHB --> .462 avg, 13 R, 2 3B, 9 RBI, 10:4 BB/K, 9-10 SB
Jake Mullin - McM --> .517 avg, 13 R, 3 2B
David Smith - Ozarks --> .450 avg, 19 R, 5 2B, 5 HR, 12 RBI,  10:4 BB/K, 5-6 SB
Javier Arrieta - Sul Ross --> .526 avg, 19 R, 7 2B, 6 HR, 17 RBI, 7-7 SB
Jeremy Harding - UT Tyler --> .565 avg, 12 R, 10 2B, 16 RBI
Chad Daleiden - UT Tyler --> .512 avg, 14 R, 14 RBI
Jared Hood - UT Tyler --> .500 avg, 17 R, 4 HR, 15 RBI, 11:5 BB/K
Kyle Harvey - TLU --> .532 avg, 18 R, 9 2B, 2 3B, 10 RBI, 9-9 SB
Jeremy Macklin - TLU --> .475 avg, 7 2B, 16 RBI

Now, there's certainly some guys that could be added to this list, but for the purpose of time, we'll start here (feel free to contribute others - as I know there will be others mentioned here when it's all said and done.) Obviously, these #'s probably aren't all that sustainable, particularly in terms of average. Ozarks Cory Briggs was the only guy to hit over .440 last year, but I will say, the pitching seems to be getting progressively worse in the ASC the last few years.

I think it's safe to say that Tom Williams, the pre-season offensive player of the year, can swing the stick and he'll be mentioned in this group when it's all said and done. Who else?

No reason to think Villegas won't be in the mix after an incredible year last year (.427, 21 2B, 8 HR, 44 RBI, 12-12 SB).

David Smith his over .400 last year, but this year people are taking notice because of the power surge. That said, I still think he's the second best hitter (behind Cameron) on that Eagle baseball team.

I like Arrieta; I think the kid can swing the stick. Unfortunately he's not surrounded by much. He was the only player on the Lobos who hit over .285 last year, so it will be tough to acquire many runs or RBIs.

So what about this trio of Tyler guys? Hood and Harding had very similar stat lines last year. Daleiden, little more pop, little less average. Harding's lack of BB/HBP suggests that he's a free swinger so anything north of .425 might be a stretch, but he's crushing 2Bs right now. I think they're all the real deal having played solid competition other than the 3-game stat padding session with Castleton. I think Hood's probably the best of the 3, and could definitely win the East POTY.

Macklin hit .409 and slugged .714 last year (17 2B, 6 3B, 6 HR) so I suspect he'll be in the mix in the end, and Harvey could be too. I think he strikes out a little much to flirt with .500, but I could see him settling in a shade over .400, and continuing to rack up extra-base hits and swipe bags.

Cody Jones had a good year last year, and the good BB/K ratio suggests he could swing for high average, but I think he'll settle in on the fringe once conference play starts. ETBU had a very soft schedule early on.

One thing about high averages is that they're usually accompanied by other notable statistics to suggest that player is that caliber of hitter. As a guy who saw 9 ABs last year, I'm thrilled to see Mullin off to a hot start for McM, but I don't think he'll hit .400, again, that's why they play the games though.

Just trying to keep the chatter up. Good luck to all the teams playing today!

JSG




Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 28, 2009, 10:42:17 AM
Quote from: dp643 on February 28, 2009, 10:01:43 AM
Very tough to guage where the conference is right now. Ozarks has fallen off, and its hard to tell where UMHB fits into the mix as well. They have played a fairly tough schedule to date and have held on decently. TLU and Hardin Simmons are hard to figure out right now as well. Staggs didnt record an out yesterday in the first before being yanked.

Ozarks has indeed fallen off. Prior to the start of the year, I would've still guessed them for 2nd in the East (with Tyler running away with it mind you), but I guess I thought that Cameron and Koch would be serviceable on the mound again and that someone could plug the hole left by Dixon.

Also, their offense went about 7-deep with guys that were really swinging the stick, this year they're looking at 5 max. That makes a difference, and losing guys that are leaders like Finnell and Glenn can be a hit, if new seniors aren't capable of stepping up to assume that role.

UMHB has faced a tough schedule so it will be interesting to see how they settle in during ASC play. I still think the West is a five-headed monster again this year. UMHB has to find a 3rd starter that they can count on (whether that's Henderson or Hawkins).  A SR vs. FR, I always liked that dynamic. Also, who's going to help out of the pen aside from VanHoozer, the FR from Salado?

Garza is a solid pitcher, but they have to be careful not to ride him too hard if they want him ready for the ASC tourney. They'll miss Froeschl and I don't envision anyone filling that role, and they'll miss the power provided by Reinlie in the middle. I'm still trying to figure out how Pena hit 10 HRs last year. And maybe they don't get that power back, but guys like Fredrick, Moreau, Praeger and Lynn (or a combination of the 4) will have to swing it well.

I'll save TLU and Hardin-Simmons for another time.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 28, 2009, 11:04:26 AM
I agree its going to be a very tough west division this year. Concordia definitely has to have the upper hand going into the start of it with Johnson and their offense. McMurry is definitely showing they are still possibly the team to beat as well. Derrick is another name of players you can add to that list. He can flat out hit. Franco has been off to a slow start but you have to assume he will bounce back which still makes that a very good lineup. UMHB, Hardin-Simmons, and TLU are all in the same boat, as we dont have much of an idea on what to expect on a week to week basis.

UMHB has a young team, and have replaced Froeschl and Reinlie with freshman essentially. They have been playing pretty well thus far, against some good competition which is encouraging. Volz has started off slow too, and he should bounce back and that will be big for Villegas. Remember Volz hit .400 last year with 26 doubles, so expect him to bounce back big in the next couple of weeks. With Volz, White, Villegas in the outfield....I think they can matchup defensively with anyone. Garza, Hopper will anchor that staff and that should keep them in good shape. Ethan Henderson pitched VERY well against UT Tyler. If I were a betting man I would say he is the third starter, and Hawkins will come out of the pen.

All that aside, I still think its hard to see where they fit in this mix. I could seriously see them anywhere from first to 5, depending upon the productivity out of some of the younger guys.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2009, 11:12:54 AM
http://www.wunderground.com/severe.asp

That link changes to meet weather predictions, but right now, there is a high wind advisory for the ASC!   :D

Let's not put too much emphasis on today's scores.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 28, 2009, 11:31:38 AM
Ground Ball pitchers have a big advantage today, thats for sure. Wind will be blowing straight in at UMHB.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 28, 2009, 04:05:38 PM
Texas Lutheran 17 - Miss Coll 7

WP: Brad Orosey (3-0) - 7 IP, 5 H, 7 R, 4 ER, 5 BB, 3 SO
LP: Jack Craven (2-1) - 3 IP, 10 H, 12 R, 12 ER, 4 BB, 4 SO

TLU:
Kyle Harvey 2-2, 4 R, 2 2B, 1 RBI, 3-3 SB
Jeremy Macklin 3-3, 4 R, 1 2B, 2 HR, 8 RBI

( I know Drew Farr also left the yard for the Bulldogs. Stats refreshed for 2nd game before I could pull anymore.)

Miss:
Chase Herrin 2-4, 1 R, 1 RBI, 1 2B
Andy Smith 1-2, 2 R, 1 BB
Brannon Walls 2 R, 2 RBI

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: yuckmonkey on February 28, 2009, 04:24:15 PM
mcm winds(play on words) 7 inning game, 4-3 no details
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 28, 2009, 04:42:43 PM
All I can say is WOW. This is going to be a crazy year in ASC both east and west.

One thing to ponder for a while is that the east #1 hosts the second round of the conference tourney this year. That could be a plus for Tyler
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: yuckmonkey on February 28, 2009, 05:09:51 PM
Abilene update - bottom of 2nd utt 4 mcm 1  still no details.  statman may be at the basketball playoff game
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on February 28, 2009, 06:39:18 PM
Statman is at the bball game today

5-5 top of 7th in abilene.  McM I know had a chance in the 6th with runners on first and second with no outs and UTT picked the guy off second.  That was the last play i heard but somhow they scraped another run out of the deal.  Martin still in for McM and Zigler on the mound for UTT.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmguy19 on February 28, 2009, 06:56:21 PM
Top 8 6-5 UTT
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2009, 07:47:06 PM
Quote from: mcmguy19 on February 28, 2009, 06:56:21 PM
Top 8 6-5 UTT
Final UTT 8 McM 5 in the second game.

No box score available.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on February 28, 2009, 08:03:05 PM
So McM wins 2 out of 3 all pretty good games.  This was the first road trip for UTT and they had to do it against a good openent. Not the results they wanted but something to build on.  McM has to be happy with the result.  UTT needs to learn from this. As I said in an earlier post although this was interesting it is what happens in May that counts. I expect UTT to win the East and host the conference tournament. Home cooking is always more conducive to winning than staying in a hotel and being on the road. The bus ride home will not be as bad since they salvaged the last game. Congrats to McM they have proven this weekend that they have a quality team and should be considered the team to beat in the West.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2009, 08:17:09 PM
Thanks.  The West is a tough division.  McMurry opens with HSU next weekend.

They play the West Marietta, LeTourneau, AC, Manchester IN twice, AC and Southwestern from here out.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: yuckmonkey on February 28, 2009, 10:21:04 PM
does anyone have scores from ctx on saturday?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HAMBONE on March 01, 2009, 08:35:08 AM
Quote from: atl7 on February 21, 2009, 04:07:12 PM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on February 19, 2009, 09:36:32 PM
Atl I never mentioned Riggles? Michael Johnson is thier best pitcher this year and he didnt throw. Yes Riggles did have 9k's against UT Dallas to open the year , and did struggle again a great team in Texas Weslayan. I dont know where you are going with this ? Whitley is the # 3 or four guy, and the pitcher that Transfered in from TCU didnt even throw the first game.  You need to seriously go to some games or revamp your insight on baseball to come with that weak smack . I hear Tennis is easy to catch up on.

Yes I know you never mentioned Riggles....my original post was taken off before you could read it so here it is with a little edit some grown men can't read bad words or get all mad like a bunch of women at a tea party

anyways all this hype over this san Jac pitcher is a bunch of BS....if he was the real deal he would have been drafted out of San Jac or gone to a D1 or D2 program....in fact he might have got offers but wanted to make his stats look better against D3 opponets....wow he can throw in the 90's he is 5'10 that ball is mostly likely flat as hell and would get crushed by anybody who can actually swing the stick...im sure he has a good curve, but I bet he cant hit with it every time...If HT got an average of a hit every inning he pitched he cant be that great...


Atl, I know you are still lurking around...why don't you enjoy this article instead of the Sunday paper today...thanks for your scouting report!

http://athletics.concordia.edu/news/2009/2/28/BB_0228093102.aspx (http://athletics.concordia.edu/news/2009/2/28/BB_0228093102.aspx)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 01, 2009, 10:22:16 AM
So quick weekend wrap-up:

Concordia 2 of 3 from UT Dallas
McMurry 2 of 3 from UT Tyler
TLU swept Miss Coll
UMHB swept LeTourneau
Schreiner swept La College
HSU swept Ozarks
ETBU swept Sul Ross State

West Division Pitcher of the Week will probably be be CUA's Michael Johnson:
7 IP, 6 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 3 BB, 17K

West Division Hitter of the Week should probably be TLU's Jeremy Macklin:
11-12, 11 Runs, 4 2Bs, 3 HR, 18 RBI, 5 BB (raises average to .553)

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: yuckmonkey on March 01, 2009, 11:15:40 AM
i was just looking at the stats from utt & mcm what happened to Booher he was pulled in the first inning was it control issues or some kind of injury.  he a horse and i was not at the game just wondering out loud.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 01, 2009, 01:32:21 PM
It doesn't look good. Booher walked two batters and was pulled. That is after he had contol problems last week walking 5 in 5 innings. Being the father of a former pitcher this sounds like it could be related to an injury. When a  pitcher all of a sudden has problems locating his pitches often it is due to something wrong physically. I sure hope not for him and for the Patriots. That would explain why they pulled him. Normally they would have went with him and allowed him to work through things given his history.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on March 01, 2009, 01:34:15 PM
Losing Booher would be a devastating blow to Tyler.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on March 01, 2009, 02:02:25 PM
It was an amazing day down in Seguin yesterday. This weekend's match up between TLU and CTX should be interesting. No predictions from me, but if conditions are right, it should provide some good baseball to watch ;D

http://www.tlu.edu/athletics?newsid=5625

Don't be fooled, not all of the homer hit yesterday were wind assisted...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2009, 02:14:13 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on March 01, 2009, 01:32:21 PM
It doesn't look good. Booher walked two batters and was pulled. That is after he had contol problems last week walking 5 in 5 innings. Being the father of a former pitcher this sounds like it could be related to an injury. When a  pitcher all of a sudden has problems locating his pitches often it is due to something wrong physically. I sure hope not for him and for the Patriots. That would explain why they pulled him. Normally they would have went with him and allowed him to work through things given his history.
Ohhhhhhhhh...  [Long painful groan]

I hope you're wrong.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 03, 2009, 01:42:29 PM
Ok Divisional play begins this weekend and there we are all dead! What are the predictions for this weekend?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2009, 01:57:47 PM
Quote from: dp643 on March 03, 2009, 01:42:29 PM
Ok Divisional play begins this weekend and there we are all dead! What are the predictions for this weekend?
Not gonna predict!  The West is too balanced!

McMurry needs to sweep HSU.  2 of 3 means just one game up on the top half of the conference.

CTX at TLU  A chance to see how Johnson does on the mound for CTX

UMHB at SRSU  Getting that road trip out of the way.

Schreiner at HPU -- Should be a good series.  If one team could sweep this, it would help towards the tourney.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on March 03, 2009, 02:27:34 PM
It looks like the ASC West is once again superior to the East this year.  Tyler has a history of not playing well away from home, and for whatever reason, they simply did not have their top game this past weekend in Abeline.  Congrats to McMurry for putting together 3 solid games.  I think at this point in the season McM is in more of a mid-season form due to playing a better schedule.  Their 3 games vs Chapman probably helped in this past series because they had atleast seen some good pitching already this season.  So far UTT has played 2 schools that have good teams this season, and they are 1-3 against them.  Does not bode well for that school, it is possible that the team might be a little overrated.

On a side note, James Vilade has a tendency to pull a quick trigger on his starting pitchers.  And, when he has capable arms in the bullpen, why not I suppose.  However, the Booher situation is obviously different considering he was pulled in the first inning.  Possibly a panic button issue because UTT was 0-2 up to that point on the weekend, but the possibility of a more serious situation is certainly there.  I wonder how Booher's velocity was.  If it was down significantly, then he probably isnt 100% right.  No news has surfaced on the UTT website, but losing him would be a tough blow for the team.  UTT would probably move either their tuesday starter into that 3rd spot or move Ziegler from the closer position to fill the gap.

There is no question in my mind that even without Booher, UTT is the class of the East.  But, after seeing the results of this weekend I do not know if that means much this year. :-\
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 03, 2009, 02:34:29 PM
UMHB up 6-0 first inning today against Southwestern.

Not too sure how hard Booher and Holland typically throw, but neither one were throwing very hard vs UMHB (versus what I expected). Holland was 82-86 with numerous fastballs below 82 as well.  Booher was slower than that. This was two weekends ago vs UMHB. Im wondering if he hasnt been battling an injury and they pulled him quick to rest him because they dont have a conference series this weekend.

Update: UMHB up 12-0 and still batting in the first
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 03, 2009, 02:47:52 PM
Wind must be blowing out, top of the 2nd already 4 homeruns  12-2
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 03, 2009, 03:19:27 PM
16-2 BOTTOM OF 3. Villegas already has 7 RBI
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on March 03, 2009, 03:38:17 PM
Quote from: dp643 on March 03, 2009, 03:19:27 PM
16-2 BOTTOM OF 3. Villegas already has 7 RBI

WOW! Talk about a day!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on March 03, 2009, 03:46:12 PM
Quote from: dp643 on March 03, 2009, 03:19:27 PM
16-2 BOTTOM OF 3. Villegas already has 7 RBI

Wind is blowing from the South 22 to 28 mph...don't know whether this is in or out, but should be the same for both teams! My guess is that UMHB pitchers are dealing with the wind better than Southwestern's arms are...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 03, 2009, 03:47:35 PM
20-2 bottom 4th, Villegas just tripled and now has 8 RBI. The CRU are still batting in the 4th. South Wind is blowing straight out to Left.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on March 03, 2009, 03:52:23 PM
The CTX v TLU series this weekend should be a good one with 4 of the top 12 hitters and two of the top Arms in the ASC squaring off within this match up. I think it will come down to who make the least amount of mistakes overall.

There is power in both line-ups as well as speed on the bases. Should make for some fun watching overall.  
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on March 03, 2009, 04:00:19 PM
Quote from: dp643 on March 03, 2009, 03:47:35 PM
20-2 bottom 4th, Villegas just tripled and now has 8 RBI. The CRU are still batting in the 4th. South Wind is blowing straight out to Left.

Looks like Villegas may replace the other two names on the most RBI in a game list at this rate ;)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on March 03, 2009, 05:44:44 PM
Trinity appears to be taking it to CTX 10-4 in the 8th. Don't know who's on the bump for either team. Audio is poor :-\
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on March 03, 2009, 05:47:08 PM
Make that now 14-4 Trinity over CTX - Trinity still batting...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 03, 2009, 05:55:14 PM
umhb wins 26-7. VIllegas got pulled after a 4 for 5 day with a double short of the cycle and 8 RBIs. He grounded out with the bases loaded his 5th at bat in like the 5th or 6th inning.  His replacement Michael Garza  hit a homerun and had 4 or 5 RBI's as well.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 03, 2009, 05:57:40 PM
Yeah it looks like Gardner doesnt have much weekday arms left after playing Desalles last night. From what I saw against Texas Weslayan the bench is not very deep for CTX this year. They fell behind in the count and made to many throwing errors. The TLU series will be some good stuff to watch. The weather sould be nice and love that area to drive through.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2009, 06:13:37 PM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on March 03, 2009, 05:57:40 PM
Yeah it looks like Gardner doesnt have much weekday arms left after playing Desalles last night. From what I saw against Texas Weslayan the bench is not very deep for CTX this year. They fell behind in the count and made to many throwing errors. The TLU series will be some good stuff to watch. The weather sould be nice and love that area to drive through.
Trinity is in-region.  DeSales is not.

Not a wise move if he used the better arms that were available versus DeSales than Trinity.


Can a CTX fan elaborate on the batteries used in those two games?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 03, 2009, 06:24:56 PM
Im still wondering whats up with Wernecke. The only question I have about Concordia is whether or not they have enough pitching depth to win 4 games in a conference tourney possibly. But then again that may be the question for every team judging by the Team ERA numbers thus far.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on March 03, 2009, 06:41:07 PM
I caught most of the CTX DeSales game last night and frankly DeSales looked to be the better team and especially given that they've only just got underway - last night I believe was their fourth game.

If I'm correct Towler started for CTX and was down 4-0 before the wheels came off for DeSales in the fifth, a few hits and something like three throwing errors brough CTX back to life.

Richter followed Towler and Szkotak followed Richter and was liffed early...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on March 03, 2009, 07:03:20 PM
Quote from: Dawgsdad on March 03, 2009, 06:41:07 PM
Richter followed Towler and Szkotak followed Richter and was liffed early...

Szkotak, did not get lifted early - he recorded the save.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 03, 2009, 07:19:38 PM
Im not sure its a valid comparison as Desales was probably pitching thier best and CTX was throwing there 6th or 7th. Im not sure whats going on with Warnecke. I know the current catching is playing great, and played a hell of a defensive game against UTD. CTX will have thier big guns ready for this weekend, but yeah they need to step up in these midweek games. The bench guys  out of the pen arent on que at all.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on March 03, 2009, 07:57:54 PM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on March 03, 2009, 07:19:38 PM
Im not sure its a valid comparison as Desales was probably pitching thier best and CTX was throwing there 6th or 7th. Im not sure whats going on with Warnecke. I know the current catching is playing great, and played a hell of a defensive game against UTD. CTX will have thier big guns ready for this weekend, but yeah they need to step up in these midweek games. The bench guys  out of the pen arent on que at all.
Blackcat00,

No comparsion meant. It was the first time I've seen either team play and it was my first impressions. TLU has DeSales tomorrow afternoon in Seguin. I'm fairly sure they won't see any of TLU's top arms as they know what's at stake this weekend.

As for Warnecke, he didn't appear on the roster that was handed out last night so I can't help you explain his absence either...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on March 04, 2009, 12:46:42 AM
If Booher was below 82 on average, something is definately wrong.  I remember seeing Holland and Booher throw last season and both were mid-upper 80s atleast.  Booher threw slightly harder than Holland, but Holland had better control.

Holland's velo is probably down because its early in the season, but Booher being so low is not a good sign at all.  Maybe he got out of shape in the offseason, but it does sound like he is having some arm problems unfortunately.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on March 04, 2009, 02:39:57 AM
Any word on how HSU looks this year?

And PS: Monkey I love chicken e!!!!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 04, 2009, 09:58:03 AM
Just an overall observation. The ASC in general  does not have much pitching depth with the possible exception of UTT. Even UTT will be suspect if Booher is hurt and cannot play in May.  The lack of depth means the non-weekend games all season long will be unpredictable. It also likely means that teams will have so so in region records and thus will hae played themselves out of any pool play consideration. If so then they will have have placed all of their eggs into the conference tournament basket, a very risky proposition in a winner take all tournament environment. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: yuckmonkey on March 04, 2009, 10:38:48 AM
Quote from: TexasBB on March 04, 2009, 09:58:03 AM
Just an overall observation. The ASC in general  does not have much pitching depth with the possible exception of UTT. Even UTT will be suspect if Booher is hurt and cannot play in May.  The lack of depth means the non-weekend games all season long will be unpredictable. It also likely means that teams will have so so in region records and thus will hae played themselves out of any pool play consideration. If so then they will have have placed all of their eggs into the conference tournament basket, a very risky proposition in a winner take all tournament environment. 

I agreed with most of what you said, I will add that I think alot of the teams are pitching freshman and sophs during the week.  Maybe someone steps forward there.  I think last year was a perfect example of how the post season is a crap shoot.  utt was ranked all last year in the top 15/10 and did not get an at large bid.  I think the biggest reason is the east is weak top to bottom even though utt maybe the cream of the crop in the entire ASC.  Even the polls are in my opinion like all other polls bias(east & north).  IF Booher is hurt then utt will have to move a weekday starter to his spot or pull someone out of the bullpen either way that may change the outcome of some of their week day games.

ps indian leave some tenders, piglet
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hatbaseball on March 04, 2009, 11:45:22 AM
We're new to D3 and I'm trying to figure out how the post season works.  My son is a freshman, although playing quite a bit and doing quite well :-X   I understand how the conference tournament works and that the winner of that gets an automatic bid to the Regional tournament but what I don't understand is the talk I hear of at-large bids and Pool C, etc.  Can someone please enlighten me.  Where do the at-large bids go and how are they determined?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: yuckmonkey on March 04, 2009, 11:50:33 AM
Quote from: hatbaseball on March 04, 2009, 11:45:22 AM
We're new to D3 and I'm trying to figure out how the post season works.  My son is a freshman, although playing quite a bit and doing quite well :-X   I understand how the conference tournament works and that the winner of that gets an automatic bid to the Regional tournament but what I don't understand is the talk I hear of at-large bids and Pool C, etc.  Can someone please enlighten me.  Where do the at-large bids go and how are they determined?

I would try but I would just confuse both of us.  Ralph T or Just some guy will need to answer your question about at large bids.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseballfan24 on March 04, 2009, 12:19:06 PM
Pool A bids are automatic qualifiers
Pool B bids are independent
Pool C bids are at large bids

I think there are 14 at large bids for the whole nation.  Of those 14 the ncaa committee will rank each team's in region ranking, in this case all west region games won-loss pct. 

With that, I think they also compare difficulty of schedule by taking the records of opponents and their opponents records.  This develops the RPI.  From there I guess they take the highest RPI's in the nation and give them at large bids.

This may not be entirely accurate, but it is essientially how it works.  It is kind of a crap shoot because the people doing the voting can't possibly see all of the teams and who they play against.  They can only go on win-loss pct. and in-region rankings. 

So long story short, the best way to get an at large bid is to play teams in your region and beat them.

I hope this helped.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 04, 2009, 01:22:16 PM
Go the website's main page and then to "Freequently Asked Questions" and the topic NCAA tournament.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hatbaseball on March 04, 2009, 01:52:12 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on March 04, 2009, 01:22:16 PM
Go the website's main page and then to "Freequently Asked Questions" and the topic NCAA tournament.



Thanks.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 04, 2009, 06:03:09 PM
Region question -

MC and LC are both physically located in the South region but play in the ASC which teams are predominantly located in the West region.  If MC played say Rust College, also located in Mississippi is that game considered in region for both one or none. Rust is an independent.  Can MC be eligible for consideration in both the South and West regions?  I would think not but it does present an interesting situation.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on March 04, 2009, 07:43:17 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on March 04, 2009, 06:03:09 PM
Region question -

MC and LC are both physically located in the South region but play in the ASC which teams are predominantly located in the West region.  If MC played say Rust College, also located in Mississippi is that game considered in region for both one or none. Rust is an independent.  Can MC be eligible for consideration in both the South and West regions?  I would think not but it does present an interesting situation.

That is agreat question.  Here is what I think... If the ASC tourney winner is from Texas, they will go to the West regional.  If they are from outside of TX, they will go to the South.  The regional being in Oregon will really hurt the chances for a team other than the tourney winner getting into a regional.  I believe the SCIAC will get 2 teams in, the NWC will send 2 teams, Chapman will get in no matter what (based on reputation and location).  That leaves one spot open.  Would the NCAA consider another Texas school?  Maybe, maybe not.  Would the NCAA consider a team from the mid-west getting shipped to Oregon?  Who knows.  It is going to take 4 flights to fill the West regional.  No matter how you look at it, it's going to be very expensive.

My picks for the Western Regional are (in no order)

McMurry, Chapman, Cal Lu, Pomona-Pitzer, Pacific Lutheran, Linfield

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseballfan24 on March 04, 2009, 08:29:45 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on March 04, 2009, 06:03:09 PM
Region question -

MC and LC are both physically located in the South region but play in the ASC which teams are predominantly located in the West region.  If MC played say Rust College, also located in Mississippi is that game considered in region for both one or none. Rust is an independent.  Can MC be eligible for consideration in both the South and West regions?  I would think not but it does present an interesting situation.

Mississippi College won the ASC tournament in 2003, I think.  It could have been 2002.  They then hosted a regional in Mississippi, which consisted of other south teams.  They are considered in the west region, but would probably play in a south regional should they or La College win conference.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 04, 2009, 08:50:01 PM
Concordia Won it in 2002 and Mississippi won it in 2003 and hosted
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 04, 2009, 10:21:45 PM
 :)

UTT won tonight against Hendrick and Booher pitched. This is a quote off the UTT write up of the game:

"Senior Blake Booher (Hurst, Texas) went seven innings on the mound for the Patriots and allowed only one unearned run off of six hits with five strikeouts. With the win, Booher improved to 4-0 on the year."

I have no idea what happened in the game against McM when he was pulled in the first inning after walking 2 batters. The fact that he came back so soon and went 7 innings shows that it was not an injury. It looks like Vilade did not like what he saw when Booher was pitching and just pulled him. All we can do is speculate but the good news for UTT is that he appears to be fine.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on March 04, 2009, 11:07:01 PM
Another productive day down in Sequin today for Macklin and the Bulldogs of  TLU... Macklin continues to stay hot going 5 for 7 today at the plate, adding 5 RBI to his totals, scoring twice and swiping a base along the way to a 3- 20 win over DeSsales, PA.

Macklin now improves to .574 and 35 RBI in 12 games this season.  CTX comes calling on Friday – should be a good match up with several top players squaring off this weekend... 

It will be interesting to see how these batting averages of these top players hold up once conference play begins in earnest...

http://www.tlu.edu/athletics/mens_athletics/mens_baseball?newsid=5657

http://www.d3baseball.com

http://www.d3baseball.com/notables/2009/03/04/players-post-impressive-performances.html
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on March 04, 2009, 11:09:45 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on March 04, 2009, 10:21:45 PM
:)

UTT won tonight against Hendrick and Booher pitched. This is a quote off the UTT write up of the game:

"Senior Blake Booher (Hurst, Texas) went seven innings on the mound for the Patriots and allowed only one unearned run off of six hits with five strikeouts. With the win, Booher improved to 4-0 on the year."

I have no idea what happened in the game against McM when he was pulled in the first inning after walking 2 batters. The fact that he came back so soon and went 7 innings shows that it was not an injury. It looks like Vilade did not like what he saw when Booher was pitching and just pulled him. All we can do is speculate but the good news for UTT is that he appears to be fine.

Perhaps it was just an off day - maybe something in his attitude and sent Vilade down the road he took... Glad no injury was the cause for his early departure... :)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2009, 11:33:41 PM
The Definition of Regions is in the baseball handbook.

Administrative Region #3 includes these states:  (clockwise) VA, NC, SC, GA, FL. AL, MA, LA, AR, TN, KY, IN, MI, OH, WV.

Admin #4 is west of there.  #2 is NY, PA. #1 is DC, MD, DE, NJ, RI, CT, MA, ME, NH, VT.

Games amongst teams from these states are "in-region".

Mississippi College can play Rust as "in-region".
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on March 05, 2009, 08:09:21 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on March 04, 2009, 07:43:17 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on March 04, 2009, 06:03:09 PM
Region question -

MC and LC are both physically located in the South region but play in the ASC which teams are predominantly located in the West region.  If MC played say Rust College, also located in Mississippi is that game considered in region for both one or none. Rust is an independent.  Can MC be eligible for consideration in both the South and West regions?  I would think not but it does present an interesting situation.

That is agreat question.  Here is what I think... If the ASC tourney winner is from Texas, they will go to the West regional.  If they are from outside of TX, they will go to the South.  The regional being in Oregon will really hurt the chances for a team other than the tourney winner getting into a regional.  I believe the SCIAC will get 2 teams in, the NWC will send 2 teams, Chapman will get in no matter what (based on reputation and location).  That leaves one spot open.  Would the NCAA consider another Texas school?  Maybe, maybe not.  Would the NCAA consider a team from the mid-west getting shipped to Oregon?  Who knows.  It is going to take 4 flights to fill the West regional.  No matter how you look at it, it's going to be very expensive.

My picks for the Western Regional are (in no order)

McMurry, Chapman, Cal Lu, Pomona-Pitzer, Pacific Lutheran, Linfield


2 SCIAC teams???? WOW!!!! Bold pick. I would take a second ASC Team over a second SCIAC.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on March 05, 2009, 09:36:04 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on March 05, 2009, 08:09:21 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on March 04, 2009, 07:43:17 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on March 04, 2009, 06:03:09 PM
Region question -

MC and LC are both physically located in the South region but play in the ASC which teams are predominantly located in the West region.  If MC played say Rust College, also located in Mississippi is that game considered in region for both one or none. Rust is an independent.  Can MC be eligible for consideration in both the South and West regions?  I would think not but it does present an interesting situation.

That is agreat question.  Here is what I think... If the ASC tourney winner is from Texas, they will go to the West regional.  If they are from outside of TX, they will go to the South.  The regional being in Oregon will really hurt the chances for a team other than the tourney winner getting into a regional.  I believe the SCIAC will get 2 teams in, the NWC will send 2 teams, Chapman will get in no matter what (based on reputation and location).  That leaves one spot open.  Would the NCAA consider another Texas school?  Maybe, maybe not.  Would the NCAA consider a team from the mid-west getting shipped to Oregon?  Who knows.  It is going to take 4 flights to fill the West regional.  No matter how you look at it, it's going to be very expensive.

My picks for the Western Regional are (in no order)

McMurry, Chapman, Cal Lu, Pomona-Pitzer, Pacific Lutheran, Linfield


2 SCIAC teams???? WOW!!!! Bold pick. I would take a second ASC Team over a second SCIAC.

Believe me, the only reason I [pick it that way is because of the flight cost.  I would assume it's much cheaper to fly from LAX to Portland, than it would be to fly a TX school up there.  It's that, and I think the 2nd place team in the SCIAC will finish with under 10 losses.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 05, 2009, 10:25:48 PM
I would hate to think that pool picks are determined by financial considerations rather than the most deserving team. If an ASC team is has a better record in the region but is passed over due to finances then it throws the entire credibility of of the NCAA selection process into question. I personally don't think the NCAA would allow that to occur.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on March 05, 2009, 11:52:22 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on March 05, 2009, 10:25:48 PM
I would hate to think that pool picks are determined by financial considerations rather than the most deserving team. If an ASC team is has a better record in the region but is passed over due to finances then it throws the entire credibility of of the NCAA selection process into question. I personally don't think the NCAA would allow that to occur.


I do not disagree with what you are saying one bit.  However, the NCAA will save a buck wherever they can.  Is it fair? No.  Does it happen in every sport? You bet it does.
Here is a break down of the SCIAC and the CA Independents and where they rank as far as in-region games so far.

1. Cal Lutheran  8-1  .888 win%
2. Pomona         6-1  .857 win%
3. Redlands       6-2  .750 win%
4. Claremont     5-2  .714 win%
5. Chapman      7-4  .636 win%
6. Whittier        5-3  .625 win%
7. Occidental    8-7  .533 win%
8. La Verne      3-3  .500 win%
9. East Bay      5-7  .417 win%
10. Cal Tech    0-7  .000 win%

Almost all of these will change this weekend.  I will do my best to keep them updated to share and compare.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: RSSmith on March 06, 2009, 07:40:41 AM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on March 05, 2009, 09:36:04 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on March 05, 2009, 08:09:21 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on March 04, 2009, 07:43:17 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on March 04, 2009, 06:03:09 PM
Region question -

MC and LC are both physically located in the South region but play in the ASC which teams are predominantly located in the West region.  If MC played say Rust College, also located in Mississippi is that game considered in region for both one or none. Rust is an independent.  Can MC be eligible for consideration in both the South and West regions?  I would think not but it does present an interesting situation.

That is agreat question.  Here is what I think... If the ASC tourney winner is from Texas, they will go to the West regional.  If they are from outside of TX, they will go to the South.  The regional being in Oregon will really hurt the chances for a team other than the tourney winner getting into a regional.  I believe the SCIAC will get 2 teams in, the NWC will send 2 teams, Chapman will get in no matter what (based on reputation and location).  That leaves one spot open.  Would the NCAA consider another Texas school?  Maybe, maybe not.  Would the NCAA consider a team from the mid-west getting shipped to Oregon?  Who knows.  It is going to take 4 flights to fill the West regional.  No matter how you look at it, it's going to be very expensive.

My picks for the Western Regional are (in no order)

McMurry, Chapman, Cal Lu, Pomona-Pitzer, Pacific Lutheran, Linfield


2 SCIAC teams???? WOW!!!! Bold pick. I would take a second ASC Team over a second SCIAC.

Believe me, the only reason I [pick it that way is because of the flight cost.  I would assume it's much cheaper to fly from LAX to Portland, than it would be to fly a TX school up there.  It's that, and I think the 2nd place team in the SCIAC will finish with under 10 losses.


On American Airlines, it's $30 cheaper to fly to Portland from LA than from Dallas.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on March 06, 2009, 12:16:13 PM
National Player of the Week honors goes to a ASC Player

www.d3baseball.com

www.thecollegebaseballblog.com/2009/03/05/ncbwa-division-3-players-of-the-week/
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 06, 2009, 05:59:52 PM
TLU 3 Concordia 2


Nice win for TLU to start the year. Staggs and Coburn both pitch great games with a couple of errors for both teams. Coburn struck out 11 I think.

Tom Williams and Macklin looked held in check today (which is not an easy feat).
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 06, 2009, 06:47:46 PM
Quote from: dp643 on March 06, 2009, 05:59:52 PM
TLU 3 Concordia 2


Nice win for TLU to start the year. Staggs and Coburn both pitch great games with a couple of errors for both teams. Coburn struck out 11 I think.

Tom Williams and Macklin looked held in check today (which is not an easy feat).

Interesting that neither coach seemed to roll out who I envision their #1's to be on the bump.  A little strategical ploy perhaps? That's a big win for TLU on the road.

Especially since TLU got a complete game out of Staggs who started the season hot, but had been pretty marginal his last two start,.

Any predictions for tomorrow? I think we have to give CTX the advantage with Johnson on the bump, even if he goes against Orosey. The 3rd game a toss up?

Must've been nice to see a solid pitching match-up after the vast majority of the games in the ASC have been slugfests this year.

So, here's an interesting thought considering neither team threw their #1 on Friday. You have to assume CTX puts Johnson on the bump knowing they need to even the series. If you're Burnett do you give Hull the ball and tell him to go compete like he did his freshman year. He has had (in the past) the stuff to give Johnson a run. Assuming Orosey can beat Whitley you can give Hull a chance to go get you one, and if he doesn't it's not the end of the world.

Just something to chew on.

How are the other games shaping up tonight?

JSG

And P.S. Congrats Papa Macklin, Jeremy's was on another planet the last weekend and very much deserved hitter of the week (Nationally and in the ASC awards).
Title: Schreiner takes game 1 from Howard Payne
Post by: UTEx on March 06, 2009, 07:42:34 PM
Schreiner wins game #1 against Howard Payne, 9-2.

Very nice outing by Ayala with seven strong innings.  Wehmeyer gets the save with two scoreless innings.  Sanchez had a big game going 4 for 4 with 3 RBI.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TheBuzz on March 06, 2009, 09:08:38 PM
Anyone have an update on the LETU-MC game?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on March 06, 2009, 10:41:01 PM
An excellent game between TLU and CTX for sure. Both pitchers were stellar; Coburn did have 11 k's to Staggs 5. Staggs allowed 1 walk as well as a hit batsman. It was a pitching dual for sure.

Macklin, Williams, indeed were held in check, but can this last long? I don't think Williams hit anything out of the infield today - most were towering popups or he struck out. Staggs did hit him after having him 0-2 - oh well.  Macklin struck out once grounded into a double play and had one hard hit ball to near dead center but the wind kept it in. Hit a similar ball to right but it too was caught. More opportunity tommorrow...

CTX's Johnson is going to be tough tomorrow; he generally pitches the short game as CTX figures he can go the entire way... Orosey or Hull - good question. A freshman or a junior, one school of thought may be to go with youth since it may not be as affected by the pressure of such a match up. On the other hand the pressure could rattle a young pitcher... it's going to be fun no matter who it is...

I'm going out on a limb tonight and state the following - look for a similar type game tomorrow; at least in the first game... I know that there are a few (3 to 4) of the hitters on TLU that have seen the sort of stuff Johnson has and I am expecting that they will have an impact tomorrow.  Not much of a prediction I know but perhaps a safe one. I truly don't believe we're going to see a slugfest but a hard faught series which could go either way.  I will keep it at that...

JSC, thanks!!  Don't be surprised to see him on another plantary trip soon... He truly gets better the warmer it is and the better the pitching is - don't ask me why, it just happens...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 06, 2009, 10:49:31 PM
I thought both team played really well. Concordia shot themselves in the foot with that tag out at third with one out. The umpiring was pretty terrible on both ends. The biggest was the groundball down the line that clearly went over first. Williams was held in check, nothing out of the infield but he did hit a 500 ft foul. Johnson will have his usual 14 to 15ks but im not sure on the third game as Concordia hasnt done much on the third game. Great first game.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on March 06, 2009, 10:59:50 PM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on March 06, 2009, 10:49:31 PM
I thought both team played really well. Concordia shot themselves in the foot with that tag out at third with one out. The umpiring was pretty terrible on both ends. The biggest was the groundball down the line that clearly went over first. Williams was held in check, nothing out of the infield but he did hit a 500 ft foul. Johnson will have his usual 14 to 15ks but im not sure on the third game as Concordia hasnt done much on the third game. Great first game.
Blackcat00,

That base running error was huge - nice to have big third baseman  ;D  Another stat of importance in a close game LOB CTX 8 TLU 5....

http://www.tlu.edu/i/athletics/baseball/stats/2009/tlctxbb1.htm
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 07, 2009, 12:03:10 AM
From the Mississippi web site:

CLINTON, MS - The Mississippi College Choctaws lost 11-6 to LeTourneau University Friday night at Frierson Field. The loss drops the Choctaws to 6-7 this season, with LeTourneau improving to 4-7 with the win.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 07, 2009, 12:08:32 AM
From the HSU website:

Cowboys Hold Off McMurry


Boxscore

ABILENE, Texas - Hardin-Simmons opened American Southwest Conference play with a 10-9 win over crosstown rival McMurry Friday night at Hunter Field in Abilene.

HSU used a seven run third inning that proved to be the difference in the game and relief ace Kyle Barton shut the door on McMurry in the final two and one-third innings.

The Cowboys jumped out to a 1-0 lead in the bottom of the second. J.T. Armstrong led off the inning with a double and scored on a Taylor Berlin RBI single. McMurry took the lead in the top of the third on a two-run home run by Tre Lipps.

HSU then exploded for seven runs on eight hits to chase McMurry starter Dakota Smith in the bottom of the third. Matt Roam had a two-run home run in the inning, Regan Dixon added a solo shot and Berlin had a two-run single. Jaxon Jordan capped the scoring in the inning with a two-run double to right.

McMurry added a solo home run by Jake Mullin in the fourth inning and Lips and Stephen Derrick had solo shots in the fifth to narrow the HSU lead to 8-5. HSU responded with two runs in the bottom of the fifth. Jordan had another RBI double and then moved to third on a wild pitch and scored on a ground out by Kevin Ellison.

It stayed that way until the top of the seventh when McMurry got a three-run home run by Mullin to make it 10-8. HSU went to relief ace Kyle Barton and he struck out pitch-hitter Matt Thompson to end the seventh with runners on first and second.

McMurry had three straight singles, including the fifth hit of the night by Lips and the fourth by Mullin to score a run. Mullin's hit drove in the run. Barton then got Nathan Jackson on a strikeout to end the inning with two runners on base. He then worked a 1-2-3 ninth with a pair of strikeouts.

Barton went two and one-third innings of relief and struck out five to pick up his fourth save of the year.

Freshman Zach Hewitt stabilized the game on the mound for McMurry with three and two-third innings of two-run relief.

Weeks, Armstrong, Berlin, Gage and Jordan all had two hits for the Cowboys.

Lipps was 5-for-5 with three RBIs and two home runs and Jake Mullin was 4-for-5 with five RBIs.

HSU is now 9-6 on the year and 1-0 in league play. McMurry fell to 7-5 overall and 0-1 in league play. The teams will play a 1 p.m. doubleheader at Hunter Field on Saturday.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 07, 2009, 12:12:32 AM
UMHB tops Sul Ross 7-4. Jared Hopper goes the distance with 14 K's is all the update I got. I know Javier Arreitta hit a 2 run homer for the Lobos as well.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2009, 09:43:36 AM
If Barton is the key to the HSU season, then a strong reliever can carry a good team with decent starting pitching in this conference.

The HR's were flying out last night with the south wind.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 07, 2009, 09:46:04 AM
I think we can come to the conclusion that no one will run away with the west this year. I think we can safely assume there will be a quality team left out of the conference tourney this year as well. Today's games are going to be very interesting.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2009, 09:53:39 AM
Quote from: dp643 on March 07, 2009, 09:46:04 AM
I think we can come to the conclusion that no one will run away with the west this year. I think we can safely assume there will be a quality team left out of the conference tourney this year as well. Today's games are going to be very interesting.
Lots of great baseball in store for us this season.

You have forewarned everyone, dp643.

There is no margin for error.  ;)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 07, 2009, 10:04:35 AM
Exactly, and no room for error in losing to teams you should beat as well. I still can't believe McMurry dropped 2 of three last year to Sul Ross. No disrespect intended.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2009, 10:12:09 AM
Quote from: dp643 on March 07, 2009, 10:04:35 AM
Exactly, and no room for error in losing to teams you should beat as well. I still can't believe McMurry dropped 2 of three last year to Sul Ross. No disrespect intended.
You may recall that the SRSU coach was retiring after that (season-ending) series.

Lots of emotion and motivation to carry a team to a higher level of play.

What's the old saying...

QuoteNo matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference.

Tommy Lasorda
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 07, 2009, 02:51:37 PM
TLU 2 Concordia 1.

Ryan Nokelby hit a 2 run HR in the bottom of the 6th which ended up being the game winner.

Johnson had 6 K's for Concordia giving up 6 hits. Orosey gets the win to imprrove to 3-0 for TLU striking out 7 while allowing 6 hits as well.

Nokelby was 2-2. Game lasted an hour and a half.

Very interesting outcome especially since Hull will be on the hill game three.

McMurry up 7-0 on Hardin Simmons and Sul Ross up early on UMHB 2-1.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 07, 2009, 03:54:48 PM
UMHB drops game one to Sul Ross 4-1. This is going to be a crazy season.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2009, 04:21:08 PM
McM 15 HSU 9 (final) in the first game.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 07, 2009, 06:20:56 PM
TLU takes the series. Looks like the offense on both sides was kept in this planet. Concordia baserunning really cost them the two huge ballgames. Pitching was stellar on both sides.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2009, 07:05:54 PM
HSU got a 3-run HR in the bottom of the 7th.  HSU has scored 11 runs, 5 unearned.

Defense is killing us.  HSU batting in the bottom of the 8th. 11-9.


What type of game is it at HSU?

McM 2B Nathan Love had no HR's in 154 AB's last season.

He gets a 3-run homer to right with 2 out in the top of the 9th.  HSU 15-McM 13. Final.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 07, 2009, 07:49:45 PM
I have to believe a strong south wind impacted the game 15-13 is certainly not a defensive struggle.

The two teams combined for 31 hits. McMurrey's 5 errors were probably the deciding factor as HSU only had 2. Neither team showed much depth in their bullpens. These two losses really hurt McM. Even though the season is young they now have 6 losses in the region which probably keeps them out of a pool play selection. What they must do now is regroup and make sure they get into the conference tourney. The need to take one step at a time. Getting in must now be the main goal. The west is tough and tight. Texas Luthern now looks like it will be a force to reckon with. It is way to early to make predictions. But it is looking like it might be like last year and come down to the final week of the season.

The east looks more predictible with UTT and UTD the likely leaders. The battle will be for the other playoff spots. LetU surprised me by beating MC yesterday.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 09, 2009, 10:13:33 PM
Oh my God!? UTT Tyler and HSU combine for 42 hits and 12 HR in an unbelievable 26-16 game. HSU scored 10 runs in the first inning!! But UTT came back and won by 10 runs!! Talk about a wind assisted ball game. This is totally ridiculous. When I saw the score I thought it was a mistake and I was looking at a football game. But UTT doesn't play football.

I thought the score in the McM and HSU game on Sat was crazy but this takes it to another level. HSU did not help themselves committing 6 errors to UTT's 1. But the pitchers all got hammered and each team used 5.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 09, 2009, 10:33:11 PM
Marrietta beats UTT in the nightcap 6-5. UTT out hit them 14-8 and committed no errors but they left a boatload of runners stranded. They had had a base runner on 3rd in the 9th with one out but could not bring him home. At least it was a non-region loss.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2009, 10:39:06 PM
I mentioned on the Top 25 board that UTT's Coach Vilade got a good outing out Sparks for his season debut on the mound.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on March 10, 2009, 12:02:51 AM
In the last four games, I have seen a combined 113 runs and 28 home runs, with about 22 of those home runs to the right of the 24-foot monster at Hunter Field. I have seen another six balls off the monster. I would say of the 28 home runs at least 15 or more have been wind-aided shots. The nine hole in those four games have combined for 20 RBIs and four HRs.

Needless to say, there has been plenty of wind and not enough quality pitching at Hunter Field the last four days.

Even good pitching has not been immune to it. Barton allowed five runs on two wind-blown homers in the ninth on Saturday. Munchrath had not allowed a run all year before today and Grant Campbell had a 2.65 ERA before today. 

I love offense as much as anyone, but I am ready to see a 1-0 game, I don't know if my vocal cords on the broadcasts can take much more. 1,246 pitches in the four games. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on March 10, 2009, 01:37:15 AM
Quote from: hsusid on March 10, 2009, 12:02:51 AM
I love offense as much as anyone, but I am ready to see a 1-0 game, I don't know if my vocal cords on the broadcasts can take much more. 1,246 pitches in the four games. 


Not that you are counting or anything ;D
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 10, 2009, 01:38:44 PM
In the wild 26-16 game against HSU, UTT got 4 good innings out of Doug Vardeman and 2 1/3 from Tommy Rozell. After the Patriots gave up 15 runs in the first three innings the relief corp came in and shut down HSU's offense. The above 2 only allowed 1 run on 4 hits and 2 walks in a combined 6 2/3rd innings. Keep in mind the wind was blowing out and HR were flying. UTT continued to score as HSU could not find a a way to shut down the Patriot offense.

This trip to Albeline is giving more pitchers a chance to show what they can do. In the two games so far UTT has used 8 different pitchers.

In the night cap against Marrietta it was surprising that Ziegler did not perform well as he blew a save opportunity. That is the first time that has happened this year. He gave up 2 hits and walked 2 batters which is not normal for him.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mideastfan2 on March 10, 2009, 10:51:24 PM
McMurry - 5
#13 Marietta - 11

Marietta got a great pitching performance from frosh Brian Gasser, in his first college start (7 IP, 9K's, 8 hits, 3 runs).

Marietta continues their Texas trip with games against two more ASC opponents tomorrow....UT-Dallas & HSU.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 11, 2009, 12:52:48 AM
Concordia 7      Trinity 3

Williams homers, Midweek pitching not to bad.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2009, 01:02:06 AM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on March 11, 2009, 12:52:48 AM
Concordia 7      Trinity 3

Williams homers, Midweek pitching not to bad.
In-region game!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2009, 01:04:44 AM
Quote from: mideastfan2 on March 10, 2009, 10:51:24 PM
McMurry - 5
#13 Marietta - 11

Marietta got a great pitching performance from frosh Brian Gasser, in his first college start (7 IP, 9K's, 8 hits, 3 runs).

Marietta continues their Texas trip with games against two more ASC opponents tomorrow....UT-Dallas & HSU.

http://athletics.mcm.edu/Pdfs/baseball/2009/3/10/03-10-09.htm

McMurry went with "pitch-by-committee".

Dakota Smith was the only starter who saw action, and he pitched the 9th. (mid-week work?)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 11, 2009, 07:59:46 AM
Tuesday is probably a bullpen day for the weekend starters so I believe that the coaches sometimes will pitch them in the midweek games to let them get their bullpen work in.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 11, 2009, 03:07:46 PM
All of the ASC teams are using their second line pitchers since they all have conference games this weekend. At most the first line pitchers would only be used an inning or two on a day they would throw a nomral bullpen anyway. Certainly no team can afford to burn a top line pitcher against a non-region opponent even one as good as Marrietta. Thus you saw UTT and McM use second and even third line pitchers. Some of those stepped up when given the opportunity to perform. That is what will pay dividends down the road as the coaches can get to see more pitchers than a typical 4 game in season week would allow.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on March 11, 2009, 11:03:43 PM
According to unnamed sources Smith has been pulled from his starting spot and they are bringing in Corey Davis a Sophomore
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ballme on March 12, 2009, 09:36:13 AM
Looking more and more like McM v TLU will be moved to Saturday/Sun due to weather

http://www.weather.com/weather/local/79697?from=recentsearch
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: UTEx on March 12, 2009, 08:24:12 PM
Schreiner vs Sul Ross series also moved to Sat (dh) and Sun due to weather.

Go Schreiner!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ballme on March 12, 2009, 10:33:02 PM
McM v TLU is now in the books for two Sat starting at 1 with a sun game.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2009, 10:38:05 PM
Welcome ballme!

Glad to have new posters joining us!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ballme on March 13, 2009, 12:21:59 AM
Ty very much for the welcome!

Abilene, TX has been under a storm system which dropped .75 inches in the past 24hrs with another .50 coming the next 24hrs.  This may put all three games to Sunday since McM travels Mon & Tues.  We will wait to see if McMurry has a horse in the bullpen that can come out and throw innings in bunches or just how deep the pitching staff goes.

Thanks to Marietta for traveling to Abilene this weekend and playing some awesome baseball.  It was fun to watch and good luck to them.  They are well coached and a solid team.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on March 13, 2009, 03:05:36 PM
Are there rules that govern how many games can be played in one day? Two 9's and a 7 will take some time and then there is the issue of travel for one team... I know that in D1 ball there are time limits on Sundays. Are there similar limits in DIII ball?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 13, 2009, 04:46:50 PM
Anyone know how well the respective home fields drain. We are getting dumped on in Dallas again today and it is  raining east and south as well. The system will be moving into Lousiana and Mississipi so the Eastern games are all going to have to be pushed back. If the fields don't drain well then even Saturday it may be too wet to play. The infields will likely be ok tomorrow but it is the outfields that are will be the issue. These fields don't have drain tile generally.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 13, 2009, 05:24:44 PM
UMHB is playing Sunday, Monday. The field should be good to go by then
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on March 13, 2009, 05:43:26 PM
It's still raining in the Austin area as we speak. I know that TLU is headed to McM as I got a text from my kid. Maybe Frank or someone from McM can speak to how the McM field handles the wet stuff? I've not been there yet (tomorrow will be our fist visit) so don't know much other than the facility look nice from photos... Looking forward to some good ball games, if we can get them in!!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ballme on March 13, 2009, 06:05:01 PM
If the weatherman is right, Abilene should only see another .1 - .2 inches of rain late this afternoon and overnight.  The tarp is off the field and ready for the sun to peak through to assist in drying.  The games are scheduled to start at 1 tomorrow with talk of the games being pushed to 4.  The field should be game ready tomorrow if the rain clears out over night allowing 2 games tomorrow, Sat, and 1 game on Sunday.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ballme on March 13, 2009, 08:55:04 PM
MCM v TLU has been moved to a 4pm start time on Saturday.  The squeegees come out tomorrow morning as we work hard to get the field ready.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on March 13, 2009, 09:55:27 PM
Quote from: ballme on March 13, 2009, 08:55:04 PM
MCM v TLU has been moved to a 4pm start time on Saturday.  The squeegees come out tomorrow morning as we work hard to get the field ready.

Ballme, thanks! Good to have locals help out the out of towners... Perhaps we'll run in to each other sometime tomorrow... The 4 PM Start also means I do have to get up at 5 dark 30 tomorrow to make a 1 PM start time  ;D
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 14, 2009, 12:28:53 AM
UTT and UETB games have been moved to Sunday 2 games starting at 2:00 and single game Monday at 1:00

Interesting is that UTT has a single mid week game against UTD on Tuesday that apparently does not count as an East Division Conference game. They play a standard 3 game weekend series against UTD later in the season. Usually the mid-week games are played against a either a non ASC team or a West Division team. I don't remember them ever playing an East Division Team as a midweek game in the past.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ballme on March 14, 2009, 02:37:49 PM
McM v TLU has been moved to 7 tonight with two games on Sunday.  The field is being worked on.  The sun has not come out, still have an overcast in Abilene but no rain is falling or in the forecast.  If the game is played tonight I sure hope no one gets injured because of the field.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: UP AND IN on March 15, 2009, 12:03:02 AM
CTX will play a double header starting at 4 PM sunday against HPU... followed by a monday game at 1 against HPU and then playing a visiting Nebraska Weslayan at 7 that same night.... pitching and mental toughness will be tested on those 2 days. 

As of right now, all games are at their new home field Nelson Field
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on March 15, 2009, 12:08:52 AM
TLU takes Game 1 against McM 9-8. Game two scheduled for Noon Sunday followed by game 3 directly after game 2.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ballme on March 15, 2009, 12:56:49 AM
TLU is hungry for a ASC Championship.  They looked good tonight against McM. 

Have errors been a problem across the ASC?  I have seen my fair share this season.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on March 15, 2009, 09:30:46 AM
Errors are part of the game. They happen, and sometime they can be explained and other times they can't.  My kid, committed two last nigh, one was his and he would say so, the other, is just one of those things that happen, a ball takes a weird hop and runs straight up your body and way it goes... just happens. I think the score keeper was kind to both sides last night... I know that from TLU's side, we took 6 outs in one inning and 5 outs in another, to retire McM. Had these errors not occurred, it would not have been a one run game. We let McM back in to this game in the second and third innings.

For TLU this was our first night game, so something new. Harvey over ran a ball which resulted in a triple which I've never seen him do before. The ball was hit right at him and the only thing that I can see what may have happened is that the lights got the better of him and he just ran past it and the ball went over him and to the wall. It was recorded as a hit but perhaps an error should have been recorded as it was a very catchable ball.  There were a couple of calls that could have gone either way.  But overall it was as good game, McM took a little bit to settle in pitching wise, as Staggs did a good job overall going 6 or 7 innings.

The two remaining games should be good. It will be interesting to see the rest of McM's pitching staff, seems that we haven't yet seen their bests yet... Good luck to both sides today...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 15, 2009, 05:23:05 PM
A couple of good games in Abilene today!

McMurry will video stream the rest of the West Region home games!

McMurry won 3-2 on a walk-off HR in the bottom of the 9th (the proposed 7-inning game was extended to 9).  In the second (7-inning) game, McMurry won 3-1.

Macklin had a good game at 3b for TLU.  The West will be tight this year.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 15, 2009, 05:30:19 PM
Schedule change for McMurry...

Trinity dropped McMurry, and McM has filled that hole with two games in LeTU tomorrow and then to Austin College on Tuesday.

McM plays UMHB in Abilene next weekend.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 15, 2009, 08:25:51 PM
UMHB Beat Hardin Simmons 11-4 today. Jarred Hopper gets the win for the CRU striking out 10 in 7 innings.

Villegas and Draeger had big games today. Any word on how Concordia did today?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ballme on March 15, 2009, 09:19:48 PM
Quote from: Dawgsdad on March 15, 2009, 09:30:46 AM
Staggs did a good job overall going 6 or 7 innings.


Staggs did a great job for TLU.  He was great to watch.  McM is still testing the water as to a third starter.  Kyle Martin and Cody Curry are becoming consistent with their location and focus.  Today's games where so much more entertaining as some really solid baseball was played by both sides.  The errors where under control on both sides.  Nights can make it hard to judge the ball when you do not play many night games. 

Good luck to TLU the rest of the season.  Hope you guys make it home safe.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BaseballFreak on March 15, 2009, 09:23:35 PM
UTT 10 - ETBU 2 in game one.  Holland gets the complete game.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BaseballFreak on March 15, 2009, 09:56:40 PM
UTT 11 - ETBU 6 in game two.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 15, 2009, 10:49:22 PM
UTT will go for the sweep with Booher on the mound tomorrow. Ziegler was not needed today so he is fresh and can go 2-3 innings if necessary.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: UP AND IN on March 16, 2009, 12:36:06 AM
HPU wins both in Austin today... first game was 4-2

Game 2 was an extra innings loss for CTX 6-5...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 16, 2009, 12:54:43 AM
Quote from: UP AND IN on March 16, 2009, 12:36:06 AM
HPU wins both in Austin today... first game was 4-2

Game 2 was an extra innings loss for CTX 6-5...
:D
It sure looks like we are headed towards a 4-way tie in the West for first place at 11-10 and a four-way tie for last place at 10-11!  ;)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 16, 2009, 08:12:57 AM
I am baffled to say the least. Whats going on in Austin?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 16, 2009, 01:11:29 PM
Barton on the bump for HSU in game two of the series against UMHB. Should be a good game.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 16, 2009, 04:12:40 PM
The entire ASC West appears to have consistancy issues on offense, defense and pitching. I can't get a read on any of the teams. Someone has to emerge as the leader. But to do that they have to show they are better than just a .500 club. Last year I thought the West was strong and they just beat each other up but when I see HPU taking 2 from CTX? That performance just seems to point to mediocrity. As Big Poppa said the mark of a good team is that they win the games they are supposed to win. Nobody in the West thus far has shown they can do that - thus the bunching at or near .500 winning record.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 16, 2009, 04:18:09 PM
I think that mediocrity may be a concern as well.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 16, 2009, 04:28:18 PM
Hardin Simmons won game one 5-4. Live stats are down for game 2 today.

Lets keep things in perspective before we call the whole west mediocre. The east hasnt won the conference tourney in quite some time. And if I remember correctly, the last week of crossover's the West won a good majority of the games. Also, Concordia dropped 2 of three to Howard Payne last year before making a huge comeback at the end of the season.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on March 16, 2009, 05:05:44 PM
inconsistency might be a better term than mediocracy.  I have no doubt that the west side is more talented than the east side this year, but it seems like none of the teams in the west can seperate from the pack due to inconsistent play.  The ASC tourney winner gets an automatic bid, but if most of the teams in conference are stuck around the .500 level, there will be no 2nd bid.  Even if UTT has a great record and fails to do much this year in the tourney, they would likely get snubbed because the conference appears to be weak if all you look at are records.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 16, 2009, 05:53:42 PM
UMHB wins game 3,  5-4 to take the series 2 games to 1.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on March 16, 2009, 09:03:05 PM
Quote from: tloc14 on March 16, 2009, 05:05:44 PM
inconsistency might be a better term than mediocracy.  I have no doubt that the west side is more talented than the east side this year, but it seems like none of the teams in the west can seperate from the pack due to inconsistent play. 

I can certainly agree with the term "inconsistency" as well as the term "mediocracy."  However, perhaps it's a little too early for the latter term. Speaking from what I've seen to date, and given that I am a parent, and new to this conference, but have been around baseball perhaps longer than some on this board have been alive, I'd have to say that inconsistency is more of what we are seeing at the moment than mediocracy.

Speaking of TLU's opportunities, we have played two conference series in which, most of these games were decided by a single run. That's generally good baseball.  However, I can't say that this is the case always. TLU by all accounts should have taken the series against McMurry this past weekend. The second game was clearly an example of this, and in the end "inconsistency" did us in. In close games you can't give your opponent five or six outs in an inning and expect to be victorious. It will generally come back to bit you. and it did in our case over the weekend. 

It seems that teams are still trying to find that number two and three starter and TLU is no exception. Hull just hasn't been his same self this year and I don't know enough to know how to help pin point the problem - probably mental for a large part. The Penn has done a great job this year so far but we need to have a strong performance (at least 5 to 7 innings) from the starters. Staggs, and Orosey have done a great job getting us deep into games and offense have done a resonable job supporting them but there too more is needed and expected from that line-up.  We are still looking at pitches that are too close to be guessing. If your unsure I'd suggest swinging - at least you look better if you do go down  ;)

The next two series (at least for TLU) are going to be huge in terms of conference play and will likely determine whether this is going to be a year of "inconsistency" or "mediocracy" I expect that Burnett, will have his guys set to go again and hope that they are ready to answer the questions above.  Along with this, I'd personally like to see a bit more separation in the score than a one run game. Such a feat, would give voice to the issue of the two terms being batted around.  Here's to more good baseball and in hope of finding the answers to some of the above questions  ;D
 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on March 16, 2009, 10:10:43 PM
UTT was down by 7 going into the bottom of the 8th inning tonight and have scored 8 runs to take the lead 8-7 and are still batting.

Big comeback so far.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on March 16, 2009, 10:25:10 PM
Zeigler struck out the side in the 9th and UTT snuck away with a win vs an inferior opponent.   Every team has down games, it was nice to see UTT rally and turn it on at the end to get the win.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BaseballFreak on March 16, 2009, 10:28:32 PM
What an unreal game.  Zeigler was dominant in the 9th.  WOW.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 16, 2009, 10:39:23 PM
The concern has to be with Blake Booher. He did not get out of the first inning and gave up 5 runs. This is the second time in the last 3 starts that he hasn't made it out of the first inning. Last year he was pitcher of the year and a pre-season all-american. I don't know what is wrong but make no mistake something is wrong. Other cracks in the UTT pitching staff is that Wolf and Rozell have not been sharp recently either. Rozell gave up 5 runs in 2 and 2/3rds yesterday. So the UTT staff does not have a proven replacement for Booher if he is hurt or has for some reason lost his command.  On a possitive side they got good relief work out of Alvarado yesterday who stopped the bleading allowing only 1 run in 4.1 innings and got 6.1 good innings out of Matt Sparks tonight allowing 2 runs on 5 hits. If Booher cannot find himself that means that UTT will be forced to use more of their pen since they will be down to only one quality starter and a closer. That might be good enough to win the east but not much else.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: UP AND IN on March 16, 2009, 11:33:20 PM
HPU completed the sweep today of CTX...

In a second game, Nebraska Weslayan beat the Tornadoes down 13 or 14 to nothing and was shortened by the coach I believe, as it ended after the 5th.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 17, 2009, 12:12:25 AM
LeTU 10 McM 9 (http://www.letu.edu/_Student-Life/athletics/Men/Baseball/Stats/2009_Results/mcm-letu.htm)

Dakota Smith gets the loss in relief.

Zach Hewitt had a rough outing after a good series at TLU.

Pitch by Committee at AC tomorrow.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on March 17, 2009, 01:50:38 AM
I finally added the ASC and SCAC schools to the mix.  Pretty interesting as it looks like all of the Texas schools are beating up on each other.


TEAM                                    WINNING %
1.   George Fox                      1.000
2.   Pomona-Pitzer                  .917           
3.   Cal Lutheran                     .867
4.   UT Tyler                             .833
5.   Linfield                              .786
      Redlands                          .786
7.   Claremont                        .667
8.   UT Dallas                          .647
9.   Chapman                         .643
10. UMHB                               .625
 
That is the top 10 as of 3/16/09

I realize there is still a lot of baseball to be played but the SCAC West needs to have a team win their conference tourney to get in.


Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 17, 2009, 08:32:03 AM
Good stuff Parkman...

Did anyone notice Tyler Seaman from Mississippi College threw a no-hitter yesterday?

http://ascsports.org/sports/baseball/2009/bb0316b.htm

Congrats to him.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 17, 2009, 09:58:26 AM
East v. West as of 3/16. The West has an advantage in all interdivisional games so far 31-22. Of the east teams 3 have winning records against the West UTT, UTD and ETBU with MC being even. Three have lossing records Ozarks, LA Col., and LeT.
The three teams with loosing records are a combined 3-17 against the West and are thus responsible for the West overall better record. Ozarks is the biggest surprise (in a bad way) so far this year and are 0-6 against the West.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on March 17, 2009, 11:07:31 AM
I think the best way to look at is the two crossover weekends the West went 10-11 on the weekend on the road and 16-5 the next weekend when they were all at home. The West won 10 of the 14 series. That is what baseball is about 2-of-3 series. That is how schools have geared their teams, and that is how the conference is structured.

Honestly, with what I have seen, other than UTT no one has the arms this year for the midweek games. Most everyone has struggled in the mid-week. I know with the team I watch it is totally different on the weekend than it is during the midweek.

That being said, if you win out in the ASC Tournament you only need three quality starters and most teams appear to have that.

BTW, I think the West is going to be crazy all the way to the final weekend again with maybe even more teams in the running this year than a year ago.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on March 17, 2009, 11:15:18 AM
While it DOES make for exciting ASC league baseball and division races, it hurts the chances of a second ASC bid. For that second bid to happen, someone has to step up and get hot and make some noise nationally in addition to UTT.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 17, 2009, 11:35:43 AM
With everyone having a decent number of losses already, the likelihood of anyone getting an at large with the exception of Tyler is non existent. Tyler getting runner up in the conference tourney is the only way the ASC has a chance to get two teams in. Last year I think we had 3 or 4 30 win teams and only the automatic bid got in.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 17, 2009, 12:04:41 PM
I just saw the boxscore of the Concordia 2nd game last night and noticed they only played 5 innings.

My question is to those in the know is, is this legal? I know these are very weird circumstances, but Im under the impression to have a run rule in effect, for this to be a legal game, that this must have been a 7 inning game. But I am also under the impression that for the NCAA to allow a 7 inning game, that it must be apart of a double header, which is classified as 2 games against the same opponent with no more than a 30 minute break in between. Am I wrong or missing something?

Heres the link to the box score:

http://ascsports.org/sports/baseball/2009/bb0316i.htm
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 17, 2009, 12:51:01 PM
Looks like CTX needs someone to step up and lead this team. They are one of the  most talented teams in the conference and something has t be going on. I know it doesnt help to not have a home field and play on the road every week. Not sure the ruling on the 5 inning game. I would think they ran out of pitching , but they have to play Trinity at Dell Diamond today.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tiger_fan2000 on March 17, 2009, 02:41:55 PM
That was two weeks ago.....TU is playing Cardinal Stritch tonight at EM Stevens.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on March 17, 2009, 03:29:52 PM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on March 17, 2009, 12:51:01 PM
Looks like CTX needs someone to step up and lead this team. They are one of the  most talented teams in the conference and something has t be going on. I know it doesnt help to not have a home field and play on the road every week. Not sure the ruling on the 5 inning game. I would think they ran out of pitching , but they have to play Trinity at Dell Diamond today.

CTX plays Southwestern at Dell Diamond today.

I'm not sure what's happening with CTX this year either, but I don't believe they are as stacked as many seem to think. Just my humble opinion.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 17, 2009, 04:45:22 PM
Dawgsdad it seems anything outside TLU is subpar in your opinion. But thats my opinion. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on March 17, 2009, 06:52:35 PM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on March 17, 2009, 04:45:22 PM
Dawgsdad it seems anything outside TLU is subpar in your opinion. But thats my opinion. 
Blackcat00,

I have been far more critical concerning TLU than any other team within the ASC (and have been called out for expressing such within this board). I have seen CTX play more than just TLU, and stand by my opinion. For all the hype with regards to CTX and knowing their history, I would have expected more consistent play from them than what they have shown to date.  I will leave it at that and do respect your opinion (rightly or wrongly).
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on March 17, 2009, 07:07:52 PM
Looks like CTX's troubles continues as they dropped another one to Southwestern 3-10.

http://athletics.concordia.edu/schedule.aspx?path=baseball&

No other details are available at my lowly level...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 17, 2009, 07:35:50 PM
McMurry loses to Austin College 3-0!

The bats go silent!

http://baseball.austincollege.edu/
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 17, 2009, 09:52:59 PM
UTT beats UTD 8-6. The game was tied at 5 going into the bottom of the 8th. For the second day in a row the Patriots score big this time 3 runs in the bottom of the 8th going ahead 8-5. Ziegler picked up the win pitching 1 2/3rds innings giving up one run in the 9th but picked off the runner at second to end the game. Not without controversy as Schumate argued that Ziegler's move was a balk but received no sympathy from the umpire. The Comets out hit the Patriots 10-9 but UTT had no errors and the Comets had 2.  UTT improves to 19-4.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 17, 2009, 10:01:27 PM
Did you go to the CTX game and heckle in the first row?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 17, 2009, 10:35:11 PM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on March 17, 2009, 12:51:01 PM
They are one of the  most talented teams in the conference and something has t be going on.

I don't know that I agree with you Blackcat. Granted, I will admit that they were my pre-season champ to win the west (at a glance). I thought their 3 starters and and Szkotak, Riggles would be able to lead the way. Five guys is pretty good depth this year in the ASC.

The truth of the matter is that they just don't have enough offense, and mind you, that's merely my perception. I anticipated Cmerek, and Mercer would continue their ability to get on base in front of Williams, but they've been average. The Tornadoes are missing Jacobs in the middle as well. He did a great job getting on the sack last year. He set the tone for the entire offense, and Williams made sure he didn't stay there long.

The problem is (and maybe the field is the culprit), but Kinart's on pace to make as many errors as Jacobs did last year, and Beasley and Runnels have made their fair share of errors as well. Getting swept by HPU puts CTX in a tough spot.

They have two choices: nut up and go to work, or pack it in and call it a year.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dbat on March 18, 2009, 01:02:15 PM
Dawgsdad, I dont write much on here because I like to just read what everyone is doing in the conference and such.  Since you have joined I have noticed one that you think you son is the save all for TLU (and thats fine he is your son and you should think that) and you seem to be so very critical of all the other players on the team. Doesn't your son have the most errors on the team?  My son is a sophomore and doesn't play so I wouldnt know, but wouldn't the players on your sons team be pretty upset with you and your son for what you say on a public board about them? And I know if you were talking about my son like you have about the other players I wouldnt be very happy with you either.  Just my opinion but I think you try to go way to indepth with why you think the boys are playing bad or so.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 18, 2009, 04:24:08 PM
Amen
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 18, 2009, 11:41:39 PM
After reading the last two posts I decided to go back and read the last 8-10 posts by Dawgsdad. I quess I didn't get the impression that he was digging the other players on the TLU team. Maybee I didn't go back far enough. I did see one post where he admitted his son made two errors in the game and that the team had given up the opposing team to many opportunities. He also mentioned another player loosing the ball in the lights but that happens.

I do see there is tension between some of you guys. Just keep it friendly.

The one thing I will say about college ball is that these kids are not professionals. That is one of the biggest things you notice about the difference in the college game and the professional game. The pros for the most part do not commit errors. They make the game look so simple because they are that good. But like any baseball good defense and pitching win games. The teams with the lowest ERAs and best fielding percentage generally are the leaders. Good hitting cannot make up for poor defense and poor pitching.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 19, 2009, 11:19:01 AM
I have a feeling after this weekend the conference is going to get alot more jumbled up.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 19, 2009, 11:47:24 PM
I went to the ASC website to look at team statistics. Some of what I saw did not suprise me some did. I concentrated on 6 stats. ERA, BA, Opposing BA and Fielding %, Runs Scored and Total Bases. Teams at the top of these catagories consistantly are likely to succeed. No surprise with a 19-4 record that UTT is the leader in every catagory. The surprise is that based on these stats UMHB has the best statistical defensive team in the West as it raked in the top 5 in every catogory and top 3 out 3 defensive catagories ERA, Opposing BA and Fielding %. Howerver in the offensive catagories the are only ranked in the top 5 in BA but are near the bottom in Total Bases and Runs scored.  So they have a good defense and pitching but are way down in plating runs. When those catagories are added in TL makes the top 5 in 5 out of 6 catagories which puts them as the most balanced team in the West. However their ERA although in the top 5 is high at 5.13.  UTT does not lead in every catagory as UTD leads in Slugging % and home runs but UTT also leads in RBIs. 

Here is the list of the top 5 teams in the catagories I selected - these include all games since there have not been enough division games to look at.

BA                       ERA                       Fielding %          Opposing BA         Runs Scored              Total Bases

UTT    .345       UTT   3.50           UTT       .966              UTT    .249         UTT       216                 UTT 424
ETBU  .333     UMHB  4.94         Ozarks   .964            UMHB   .268         UTD      196                  UTD 415
UTD    .331        TL    5.13         UMHB     .959              CTX    .281         ETBU     183                ETBU 394
UMHB .330       CTX   5.26            MC      .953                TL     .283      Schriener 177                TL      374
MCM   .318         LC   6.24            TL       .953                MC    .283         TL         173               MCM    360


Makes for an interesting analysis. Given UMHB defense and pitching and respectable team BA if they can figure out how to plate more runs they could be a West contender. UTT and UTD are the best in the east and TL appers statistially as born out by their overall recored to have an edge in the west.

Statistics and damn statistics.  ::)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 20, 2009, 08:45:58 AM
I've been watching the team stats as well, and you bring up some great points.

Alot of UMHB's offense has been up and down, and a lot of that has to do with so many young hitters in the lineup. One game against Hardin-Simmons I think UMHB had 5 freshman in the starting lineup. I think thats why the numbers are improving, but will remain inconsistent. For example, scoring 16 runs and 26 runs in games versus Trinity and Southwestern to  scoring 5 in two games against Sul Ross. I think this offense will continue to improve. Marcus Volz has been a .400 hitter the last 2 years, and led the nation in doubles per game last year in D-3. He has been off to a slow start batting average and doubles wise, but he is too good of a hitter to stay around .250. I think once he gets hot this offense has the ability to be one of the best in the west. especially if the freshman continue to produce this well. I think the offense is very balanced with many guys that can hit the doubles, steal bases, sac bunt, etc. Im predicting a huge second half for Volz, and that will make UMHB climb in the Total bases and Runs scored columns fast.

Big series this weekend versus McMurry and if the CRU can take the series up in Abilene, it would put them in a good position to take one of the conference tourney spots.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 20, 2009, 09:57:08 PM
UMHB is up 3-0 going to the bottom of the 8th.

McM pitcher Kyle Martin looks to take the loss with a line of 8 IP, 3 runs (in the UMHB 4th) on 7 hits.  Hopper had held McM for 4 hits on the night.

Hopper has a very nasty curve tonight!

Hopper leaves the game after 7.1 innings.  He gave up three straight singles and then a Sac fly to left.  Cleanup hitter Derrick is going against LHP Van Hoozer with runners on 1st and 2nd and one out.  UMHB 3-1.

Derrick -- high pop fly to shallow left.  2 outs.
Mullin --  out swinging 1 run 3 hits no errors 3 LOB.  UMHB 3-1 top of the 9th.

Zach Hewitt is in relief in the top of the 9th and gets 2K's and a 4-3 ground out.  UMHB 3-1.  (Good relief outing by the freshman.)  UMHB retires McM on a 6-4-3 DP.

Final UMHB wins 3-1.

Thanks to McMurry for the streaming video.  The DH tomorrow will have treaming video, too.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 21, 2009, 09:51:55 AM
3/20 Scores:

Hardin Simmons 12 - Schreiner 11 --> SU gives them all they can handle, but HSU wins on walk off home-run in the bottom of the 9th. HSU had squandered a 4 run lead by giving up 5 unearned runs in the top of the 9th. Kyle Barton gets the win to move to 5-0.

Texas Lutheran 9 - Howard Payne 8 --> TLU has to fight backin the last three innings, capped off by a solo shot from Clay Childress in the top of the 9th. Macklin gets the win, Steinert continues to be great out of the pen.

UMHB 3 - McMurry 1 --> UMHB's 3-run 4th was enough for Hopper who went 7.1, 1 ER, 8 Ks. VanHoozer worked the last bit for his 6th save of the year (He leads the conference.) Martin threw a solid game for McMurry.

UT Tyler 17 - Ozarks 10 --> Towns, Hodges and Daleiden tore the cover off the ball, and Rozell moved to 3-0 on the year, presumably starting in place of Booher? (Don't know that Wolfe's done anything to lose his spot.) Bullpens were bad for both teams.

Mississippi College 7 - UT Dallas 4 -->  LF Jared Smith had a good game for Dallas, but wasn't enough as Brett Hinson moved to 4-1 on the year, going 7 IP with 2 ER, and 7Ks. Brannon Walls and Bo Bell both contributed 2 RBI each.

LeTourneau 13 - ETBU 3 --> Ed Hurtu goes 8 IP, 3 ER on the bump and also goes 3-5 at the plate to lead LeTu over ETBU who made 4 errors. I don't think either of these teams are playoff caliber teams.

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 21, 2009, 11:02:30 AM
Its very interesting what I think Hardin-Simmons is doing with Barton. It seems as if they are using him initially as the closer for all three games if they are ahead in game one of the series and it is close. If they do not have to use him in game one (which probably means they have won comfortably or lost by a decent amount) then they are starting him in the 7 inning game on Saturday. I may be reading too much into this but it is a very unique situation for the preseason pitcher of the year, and i think a good strategy for Hardin Simmons.

The video stream is cool on McMurrys website. Ralph, you should volunteer to announce the webcast!

Going back to the Hardin-Simmons game, did anyone notice that Schreiner hit a 2 out grand slam to take the lead in the 9th off Barton? Only to give up two homeruns, including the walkoff in the bottom of the 9th. This is a very close conference this year with all the teams.

Interesting how we are in the 3rd weekend of conference in the west and a few of the teams still are mixing and matching their rotations.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on March 21, 2009, 04:25:52 PM
I like the McMurry live-video, but I have a question...is that mound as huge as it looks on "TV"??  That bump looks like it is half the size of the infield!!!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 21, 2009, 04:28:20 PM
UMHB wins game one 11-1 to take a 2-0 series lead over McMurry.

TLU wins game one 13-3 to take a 2-0 series lead over Howard Payne.

Schreiner wins game one to even the series at one game a piece over Hardin Simmons.

CTX was blowing out sul ross in game one of the series.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 21, 2009, 04:29:08 PM
Did you see that play at home in the 6th? That home plate umpire I dont think had the best day calling balls and strikes either, for both sides.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 21, 2009, 04:33:25 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on March 21, 2009, 04:25:52 PM
I like the McMurry live-video, but I have a question...is that mound as huge as it looks on "TV"??  That bump looks like it is half the size of the infield!!!
I think that the bump is as big as you are seeing.

The McMurry SID did the stream last pm.  Kit Kimbrell and Leon Rawlings Jr do the regularly scheduled radio broadcast.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on March 21, 2009, 04:36:21 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 21, 2009, 04:33:25 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on March 21, 2009, 04:25:52 PM
I like the McMurry live-video, but I have a question...is that mound as huge as it looks on "TV"??  That bump looks like it is half the size of the infield!!!
I think that the bump is as big as you are seeing.

The McMurry SID did the stream last pm.  Kit Kimbrell and Leon Rawlings Jr do the regularly scheduled radio broadcast.

Just making sure my old eyes were not screwing with me.  I didn't pick up the video until the last inning.  I will be sure to check out some of game 3.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 21, 2009, 04:42:20 PM
Ill give the ol blue the benefit of the doubt because of the video angle. That would be cool if all the schools started to do video feeds. It would make time go by at the office a little faster
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 21, 2009, 06:42:03 PM
I dont know if I can watch much more of this. This umpiring is awful. Ive lost count on just the most absurd missed balls/strikes calls.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 21, 2009, 06:55:18 PM
McMurry gets hosed on another awful call. Its 6-2 Mcmurry in the 6th.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 21, 2009, 07:10:41 PM
Quote from: dp643 on March 21, 2009, 06:55:18 PM
McMurry gets hosed on another awful call. Its 6-2 Mcmurry in the 6th.
That was definitely a "phantom" put out at second base!


Final McMurry 6 UMHB 4.

McMurry only scored in 3 innings of the 24 at-bats in the series!

We wasted a bunch of good pitching!  That is frustrating.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 21, 2009, 08:41:17 PM
Texas Lutheran scores 9 unanswered over the last two innings to defeat Howard Payne 16-8, and sweep the series.

Hardin Simmons takes the final game against Schreiner 6-4, and win the series 2 games to 1.

There's lots of baseball to be played, but are TLU, McMurry, UMHB, and HSU emerging as the top 4 teams in the West?

With Coburn and Johnson at the front of CTX's rotation I don't know that you can count them out, and HPU and Schreiner technically have the ability to play spoiler if they get hot and sweep somebody they don't have any business sweeping.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 21, 2009, 09:17:27 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on March 21, 2009, 08:41:17 PM
Texas Lutheran scores 9 unanswered over the last two innings to defeat Howard Payne 16-8, and sweep the series.

Hardin Simmons takes the final game against Schreiner 6-4, and win the series 2 games to 1.

There's lots of baseball to be played, but are TLU, McMurry, UMHB, and HSU emerging as the top 4 teams in the West?

With Coburn and Johnson at the front of CTX's rotation I don't know that you can count them out, and HPU and Schreiner technically have the ability to play spoiler if they get hot and sweep somebody they don't have any business sweeping.

JSG
McMurry is 4-5 against those three teams and has the rest of the division to go.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 22, 2009, 05:41:35 PM
CTX 14, SRSU 4

1.     Texas Lutheran             6-3     17-9
       Mary Hardin-Baylor    6-3    14-9
       Schreiner                    6-3    13-11
4.    Hardin-Simmons            5-4    13-11
5.   Concordia                    4-5    14-13
       McMurry                    4-5    11-12
       Howard Payne            4-5    11-13
8.    Sul Ross State            1-8    2-25
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 22, 2009, 06:59:18 PM
UTT split the double header with Ozarks. The first game was a pitchers duel with Bruce Cammeron of Ozarks pitching his best of the year limiting the potent UTT offense to just 1 run and 3 hits. He outduled Brett Holland who gave up 3 runs on 8 hits. Both pitchers went the distance. In the night cap Blake Booher had a very good outing going 6 innings and allowing just one run on 9 ks. as the Patriots won 7-1. Campbell and Ziegler combined in relief for 6 more strike outs as Ziegler struck out the side in the 9th the second time he has done that in his last 3 outings. The Patriots improve to 5-1 in conference play and 21-5 overall.  Their record against west region teams is 18-4.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 22, 2009, 08:13:32 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on March 22, 2009, 06:59:18 PM
UTT split the double header with Ozarks. The first game was a pitchers duel with Bruce Cammeron of Ozarks pitching his best of the year limiting the potent UTT offense to just 1 run and 3 hits. He outduled Brett Holland who gave up 3 runs on 8 hits. Both pitchers went the distance. In the night cap Blake Booher had a very good outing going 6 innings and allowing just one run on 9 ks. as the Patriots won 7-1. Campbell and Ziegler combined in relief for 6 more strike outs as Ziegler struck out the side in the 9th the second time he has done that in his last 3 outings. The Patriots improve to 5-1 in conference play and 21-5 overall.  Their record against west region teams is 18-4.
Please remember that the threshold for Pool C is about an in-region record of >.775

UTT has 14 more West Region games  (AC UDallas and series versus UTD, LeTU, LaCollege and Miss College).

I think that the only ASC team with Pool C chances is UT-Tyler.

Currently...... 18-4
Finish............11-3
Reg.season....29-7

ASC tourney... 2-0 (sweep of first weekend series)
ASC tourney....1-2 (win at least one game in the finals)

West Region....32-9   (.780)

"Results" versus regionally ranked teams....maybe AC, or Trinity Tx or Southwestern or Hendrix or UMHB.  Two losses versus McMurry may not help.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on March 22, 2009, 08:37:07 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 22, 2009, 08:13:32 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on March 22, 2009, 06:59:18 PM
UTT split the double header with Ozarks. The first game was a pitchers duel with Bruce Cammeron of Ozarks pitching his best of the year limiting the potent UTT offense to just 1 run and 3 hits. He outduled Brett Holland who gave up 3 runs on 8 hits. Both pitchers went the distance. In the night cap Blake Booher had a very good outing going 6 innings and allowing just one run on 9 ks. as the Patriots won 7-1. Campbell and Ziegler combined in relief for 6 more strike outs as Ziegler struck out the side in the 9th the second time he has done that in his last 3 outings. The Patriots improve to 5-1 in conference play and 21-5 overall.  Their record against west region teams is 18-4.
Please remember that the threshold for Pool C is about an in-region record of >.775

UTT has 14 more West Region games  (AC UDallas and series versus UTD, LeTU, LaCollege and Miss College).

I think that the only ASC team with Pool C chances is UT-Tyler.

Currently...... 18-4
Finish............11-3
Reg.season....29-7

ASC tourney... 2-0 (sweep of first weekend series)
ASC tourney....1-2 (win at least one game in the finals)

West Region....32-9   (.780)

"Results" versus regionally ranked teams....maybe AC, or Trinity Tx or Southwestern or Hendrix or UMHB.  Two losses versus McMurry may not help.

Ralph-  Is the .775 winning % a requirement in the Pool C race or just an estimate?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 22, 2009, 08:46:24 PM
Just an estimate.   :)   Here is the URL to the handbook for the primary criteria.

UT-Tyler lost two games to CTX last year and bounced themselves from the Pool c consideration.  (I think that it was a "log-jam effect" with CTX, with very little else to distinguish itself from the other Pool C's on the table.)

http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/champ_handbooks/baseball/2009/3_baseball_handbook.pdf
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 22, 2009, 09:25:30 PM
I know it will be tough for any ASC team to get a shot at a Pool C bid especially if the West Region is comprised of only 6 teams due to costs. The only sure way to get in is to win the conference tournament. I believe this year the ASC is to be hosted by the East Division Champion assuming that the champion wins the first round best of 3 in the playoffs. So UTT has an excellent chance of hosting the tournament finals. They are a much better team at home.  They are 8-4 on the road and 13-1 at home. The only sure way in is to win the conference tournament. Vilade has to be hungry for that as it eluded him since his days a UD.

It is also telling when a team goes on the road and winning 2 out of 3 is considered a disappointing result. But that is the expectation surrounding this team which is probably a bit unfair.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 22, 2009, 09:35:48 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on March 22, 2009, 09:25:30 PM
I know it will be tough for any ASC team to get a shot at a Pool C bid especially if the West Region is comprised of only 6 teams due to costs. The only sure way to get in is to win the conference tournament. I believe this year the ASC is to be hosted by the East Division Champion assuming that the champion wins the first round best of 3 in the playoffs. So UTT has an excellent chance of hosting the tournament finals. They are a much better team at home.  They are 8-4 on the road and 13-1 at home. The only sure way in is to win the conference tournament. Vilade has to be hungry for that as it eluded him since his days a UD.

It is also telling when a team goes on the road and winning 2 out of 3 is considered a disappointing result. But that is the expectation surrounding this team which is probably a bit unfair.
There is no restriction by region on the number of teams that are sent to the tourney.  The West Region sent Linfield to the Regional in Rock Island IL last year.  Linfield won that regional and went to the Series!

As for the challenge of getting a Pool C bid, it is that hard.

IMHO, the second McMurry loss was the one that they should not have had and may not be able to afford. (And, if Concordia does not make the ASC tourney, then that game, too.)


I repeat over and over...

If there was a game that you should not have lost, then that is the game that knocked you out of Pool C. 
:)



Here is another reason why the conference needs to consider splitting into 2 conferences.

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=1526.msg1044884;topicseen#msg1044884
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 23, 2009, 08:40:51 AM
Some very big games this weekend with Concordia hosting Hardin-Simmons, McMurry going to Schreiner, and UMHB going to TLU.

Any predictions?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 23, 2009, 09:45:16 AM
Quote from: dp643 on March 23, 2009, 08:40:51 AM
Some very big games this weekend with Concordia hosting Hardin-Simmons, McMurry going to Schreiner, and UMHB going to TLU.

Any predictions?
HSU takes two big ones on the road over CTX.

McMurry needs to win at least 2 of 3 from the Mountaineers.

TLU needs to win 2 of 3 from UMHB.

HPU must sweep SRSU at home to stay in contention for that last playoff slot in the West.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 23, 2009, 10:32:27 AM
Everyone needs to win 2 out of three ever weekend. I believe that if Concordia wins 2 out of 3 every weekend  now they should still sneak in at 12-9 maybe?

I think McMurry will win 2 out of 3, Concordia wins 2 out of 3, HPU wins 2 out of 3, and I have no clue how UMHB vs TLU turns out. I'm hoping to make it Saturday for the DH in Seguin.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 23, 2009, 02:42:51 PM
Everyone in the west is still in it except for Sull Ross. Only 2 games separates first from second last. Will be interesting as every game now really matters.

Ralph,

I think UTT will have to do better than .780 to get a Pool C bid. Last year they were 33-9 in Region for .785 and did exactly as you indicated they should do this year in the conference playoffs and still did not get in. They Swept HSU in the first round and went 1-2 in the next round.  First loosing to Concordia then beating MC then loosing to CTX again. So they will have to at least make it to the finals this year as well as finish 33-8 in Region or better to get a pool C bid. They are the only team in the ASC that even stands a chance at a Pool C. I therfore personally believe that only the ASC champion will be going this year.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on March 23, 2009, 05:13:42 PM
UTT has a big series vs UT Dallas this weekend.  They played earlier at Tyler, with UTT winning 8-6.  UT Dallas' field is more of a hitter's park, so it will be interesting to see how the scores come out.  I fully expect UTT to take 2 of 3, but they really need a sweep to keep alive pool C hopes.  Honestly, they probably need to win out, which is more than possible.  They are a much better team than anyone else in the east, the thing that hurts the patriots most is that their bats arent as powerful as other schools. 

In their 2 most recent series they had atleast one game where their lineup struggled to plate any runs.  They trailed ETBU 7-0 going into the 8th inning in one game, and were shut down by the Ozarks.  It seems that if their pitchers have rough outtings, UTT may not have the firepower to overcome against decent pitching.  I know they lead in prettymuch every offensive, defensive, and pitching category, but UTT really needs to put it all together in each of the remaining conference series....or just win the conf tournament which they will almost certainly host.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 24, 2009, 12:27:48 AM
Texas BB, I think that CTX and UTT "logjammed" each other out of the last slot.  UTT looked stronger until they were evaluated head-to-head versus CTX.  At that point, then the committee just threw up their hands and looked at another region.  (IMHO.)

Thanks for your thoughts on UTT.

Let's make it 34-8 then to get the Pool C bid, or win it all!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 24, 2009, 12:32:44 AM
Quote from: TexasBB on March 23, 2009, 02:42:51 PM
Everyone in the west is still in it except for Sull Ross. Only 2 games separates first from second last. Will be interesting as every game now really matters....
Yeah, and then SRSU gets to play "cockroach".  I found this link to Time Magazine on November 22, 1963, about Darrell K. Royal and Cockroaches from the Texas-TCU game in 1961.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,898026,00.html
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 24, 2009, 12:33:15 AM
McMurry 7, Manchester IN 6 (12 innings)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 24, 2009, 11:39:45 AM
That was a good story Ralph and I loved the Cockroach analogy:

"T.C.U. is like a cockroach," Royal complained then. "It isn't what he eats or carries off, but what he falls into and messes up."

I am not sure Sull Ross would like to be compared to the lowely insect but I am sure they would love to mess things up. ;D
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 24, 2009, 11:51:32 AM
Quote from: TexasBB on March 24, 2009, 11:39:45 AM
That was a good story Ralph and I loved the Cockroach analogy:

"T.C.U. is like a cockroach," Royal complained then. "It isn't what he eats or carries off, but what he falls into and messes up."

I am not sure Sull Ross would like to be compared to the lowely insect but I am sure they would love to mess things up. ;D
But there is some psychological comfort in being acknowledged by DKR as to what you really did!   Every athlete likes to mess things up if they cannot win the whole thing themselves. ;)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on March 25, 2009, 12:33:47 AM
UTT dropped Austin College 12-5 tonight in Tyler.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 25, 2009, 07:10:10 PM
Final:  Hardin-Simmons 10, Manchester (IN) 7  Reinhardt got the save.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 26, 2009, 09:09:16 AM
Dawgs Dad,

you going to be in seguin this weekend?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on March 26, 2009, 11:29:26 AM
Quote from: dp643 on March 26, 2009, 09:09:16 AM
Dawgs Dad,

you going to be in seguin this weekend?

Yup. Should be getting there a little earlier than normal on Friday as I need to deliver a glove I'm relacing.  Will be there on Saturday for the DH as well.  Look forward to meeting and chatting with you dp643 :) If it's cool, I'll have my black warmup on with the kids number on the back (23). Otherwise I'll be probably only one of the dads with a score book in my lap or one of three TLU parents with huge camera in hand... Should be fairly easy to ID me...

Really hope the team has put behind them the lackluster performance they had this past Tuesday night down at Trinity - that was a painful game to watch!!  From what I'm hearing they have but the proof will come soon enough - very critical series to say the least!

This looks like it's shaping up to be a pivotal week for the ASC West teams. Things could change in the East but not as much as what's at stake in the West... I can't wait  ;D
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 26, 2009, 03:07:55 PM
Good chance I will be there Saturday. Work has me on Friday though :(
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 26, 2009, 10:01:18 PM
Congrats Ozarks...

12-7 winners over Hendrix.

http://livestats.prestosports.com/hendrix/bsb/baseball.html
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 26, 2009, 10:48:36 PM
I know this is a baseball site but I wanted to put in a plug for the UTT Softball team. The were named the #1 team in the country in both DIII Softball polls with a record of 19-1. I got to see them play last week and they are a very good and well coached team. The UTT complex is awsome the softball field is a mirror immatge but smaller version of the baseball field with stadium seating and interactive scoreboard. The fields sit back to back and the set up is just like a smaller version of a DI complex. For those in the ASC west that have never been to Tyler the complex is a first rate treat and fan friendly.  Attached is the BB field with expanded seating just added this summer. The softball field has the same center covered stadium seating but not the expanded seating.

http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/baseball/newseats.jpg

;)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 27, 2009, 08:37:46 AM
I got in trouble at UT Tyler for sitting in the "season ticket holder" section. Joking aside, its a beautiful complex, especially with the scenery that surrounds it. UMHB's setup is very similar too Tylers with the Fields backing into eachother.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 27, 2009, 02:51:42 PM
Big weekend in baseball for the ASC as the west is so tightly grouped that every game counts.

In the East the big series is UTT at UTD. UTD is a hitters park and with high winds from the north west projected for this weekend the games could turn out to be a pitchers nightmare. UTD leads the ASC in home runs and Slugging percentage and is second to UTT in RBIs. UTT leads the ASC in most offensive catogories but is well behind UTD in home runs. UTT has a better pitching staff but the wind may take away that advantage. UTT is good road team winning 2 out of 3 away. UTD must not loose 2 or more again to stay in the hunt since last week they dropped 2 out of three on the road at MC. They are 3-3 in the East whereas UTT is 5-1.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 27, 2009, 06:14:21 PM
Important win for TLU today against UMHB.

TLU 6 - UMHB 4

WP: Tom Hembree 2.2 IP, 6 H, 2 ER, 2K
LP: Jared Hopper 5.2 IP, 12 H, 6 R, 4 ER, 4 Ks
SV: Macklin

R.B. Garza was 3-4, and Joseph Villegas was 2-5, 2B, 1 run for UMHB

TLU:
Andrew Femath 3-3, 2 runs
Jeremy Macklin 2-4, 2B, 4 RBI
Drew Farr 2-5, HR
Ryan Nokelby 3-5, 2B

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 27, 2009, 07:22:51 PM
McM 25 Schreiner 6.  The wind must have been blowing out.

Box score (http://athletics.schreiner.edu/baseball/Results/Results09/032708bs.htm)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on March 27, 2009, 10:00:37 PM
Close game down in Seguin today. TLU 6 UMHB 4.

Wind was blowing hard 25-40 mph most of the day (out to all fields). Surprisingly, only one homer out of all that wind blowing outwards. Pitchers did well today,  keeping the big guns in the game, within the fenceline...

http://www.tlu.edu/athletics?newsid=5761
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 28, 2009, 12:06:31 AM
Sul Ross 13 at HPU 8. 

HSU at CTX postponed to Sat & Sun because of wet grounds.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 28, 2009, 09:56:12 AM
Due to poor field conditions the UTT - UTD series has been pushed back to a Sunday and Monday. They will play 2 on Sunday and a single game on Monday. Sounds like a conflict with classes for the players. I am sure that Comet field must really be wet with all the rain we have had and must not drain well. The good news is that the wind is supposed to die down tomorrow and the sun will be out. Today in Dallas it is overcast, cold and very windy.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 28, 2009, 10:59:35 AM
Quote from: TexasBB on March 28, 2009, 09:56:12 AM
Due to poor field conditions the UTT - UTD series has been pushed back to a Sunday and Monday. They will play 2 on Sunday and a single game on Monday. Sounds like a conflict with classes for the players. I am sure that Comet field must really be wet with all the rain we have had and must not drain well. The good news is that the wind is supposed to die down tomorrow and the sun will be out. Today in Dallas it is overcast, cold and very windy.
Current temperature in Dallas is 39 degrees.

Wind is from the WNW at 27-35 MPH (straight out to left field at UTD's field) and wind chill is 28.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 28, 2009, 05:35:53 PM
McMurry won game 2 in the series,  6-5. 

Colton Hermes got the loss for the Mountaineers. 

It looks like Dakota Smith gets the win in relief and not the save.  (Curry started.)

http://athletics.schreiner.edu/Baseball/Results/Results09/32809bs1.htm



Gaona get the win in game 3 on 7 strong innings.

Davis pitched 2 innings in relief.

http://athletics.schreiner.edu/Baseball/Results/Results09/32809bs2.htm
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: yuckmonkey on March 28, 2009, 05:55:11 PM
any score from the tlu/umhb 1st game

ps indian how about some chicken E
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 28, 2009, 07:09:26 PM
UMHB defeats TLU 15-13 in Game 3 of the series (Haven't heard about game 2).

Neither starter (Garza & Hull) can get through two innings.

VanHoozer, how hadn't given up an ER all year, pitched 7.1 of 6 H, 2 ER baseball for the win for UMHB. I like the move by the UMHB staff to go for broke with VanHoozer here after TLU puts up an 8 spot in the bottom of the first. The Cru didn't go away.

Nice games from Villegas 2-6, HR, 3RBI, and Draeger 305, HR, 5 RBI.

Down 15-14 in the bottom of the 9th. Femath hits a 3-run home run to bring the Dogs within 2. He was 3-5, 2 2B, 2 runs and 7 RBIs. Macklin follows with a solo shot of his own to cut the lead to one.

I think it's possible Steinert is starting to get overworked. He's been throwing some mid-week innings and been the go-to guy out of the pen on weekends. It's time to cut the cord on Hull, and give Steinert that spot in the rotation.

It's great to have a couple of reliable guys out of the pen, but you can't stick with a guy that can't give you some innings the way they did with Segura last year.


JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: yuckmonkey on March 28, 2009, 07:11:57 PM
tlu took 2 of 3 final in game 3 was 15-14 tlu

mcm sweeps
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: yuckmonkey on March 28, 2009, 07:12:35 PM
my bad 15-14 umhb not tlu sorry about that
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 28, 2009, 08:00:03 PM
1.     Texas Lutheran       8-4     19-11        at SRSU, Schreiner, at HSU
2.    Hardin-Simmons        6-4    15-11         DH on Sunday.  HPU, at SRSU, TLU
3.    Mary Hardin-Baylor      7-5    16-11             Schreiner, at CTX, HPU
      McMurry                 7-5    16-12        CTX, at HPU , SRSU
5.     Schreiner              6-6    13-14        at UMHB, at TLU, CTX
6.    Howard Payne        5-7    12-15           at HSU, McM, at UMHB
7.    Concordia              4-6    14-14          DH on Sunday.  at McM, UMHB, at SCHR
8.    Sul Ross State        3-9    4-26           Pending;   TLU, HSU, at McM


Lots of baseball left to be played.

How few wins can you have in divisional play and place first? make the playoffs?

My guess is that 16-5 takes first and that 12-9 gets the 4th place slot.  (Big series with HSU and CTX!)

CTX's back is against the wall on Sunday.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 28, 2009, 08:34:44 PM
HSU 1 CTX 0 after 2;  CTX hits into a 4-6-3 DP with the bases loaded to kill the threat.


Sully won the first 11-8; HPU the nightcap 11-10.


HSU 1-0, going to the bottom of the third.


HSU 3-0, end of the 4th.  (Sam Walker on the mound for HSU.)


HSU 3-0, end of 5.  Cowboys had another DP in the 5th.  CTX left 2 on base (after two outs).


HSU 4-1, going to the 7th.


HSU 5-1, on a single, an error that allowed the runner to go to 3rd, who came home on 3 unassisted grounder. Bottom of the 7th.


CTX had a runner thrown out at home on a wild pitch ball four.  HSU 5-1. Out number three came on a flyball to RF.  HSU's Sam Walker has gone 7 strong innings.  CTX Sr. RHP Matt Coburn went 7 innings and struck out 14.  He is on the hook for the loss.  Rangel in relief for CTX in the 8th.


HSU 5-1, going to the bottom of the 8th.  Sam Walker back to the mound.


Leadoff batter singled.  Walker relieved by LHP Reinhardt.  He faces Thielepape who hit a solo HR in the 6th.  Thielepape on due to an error on the infielder.  The grounder bounced into the fielder's shirt and got stuck where the fielder could not dig it out in time to throw out Thielepape.  Next batter walks.  Kyle Barton comes in with the bases loaded.  CTX scores on a SAC FLY by . Szkotak up, runners on first and second. Out Swinging on a curve.  Justin Beasley out swinging.  HSU 5-2, going to the ninth.


HSU in the top of the 9th fails to score.  HSU leads 5-2 going to the bottom of the 9th.

HSU  5-8-2  Walker 4-1; Save Barton 5.
CTX  2-8-2  LOB 11   Coburn gets the loss but strikes out 14 in 7 innings.

(Good broadcast by HSU's Al Pickett and Chad Grubbs)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 29, 2009, 11:32:54 AM
Ralph,

How were you getting updates from CTX and HSU yesterday?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 29, 2009, 12:14:05 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 28, 2009, 08:00:03 PM
1.     Texas Lutheran       8-4     19-11        at SRSU, Schreiner, at HSU
2.    Hardin-Simmons        6-4    15-11         DH on Sunday.  HPU, at SRSU, TLU
3.    Mary Hardin-Baylor      7-5    16-11             Schreiner, at CTX, HPU
      McMurry                 7-5    16-12        CTX, at HPU , SRSU
5.     Schreiner              6-6    13-14        at UMHB, at TLU, CTX
6.    Howard Payne        5-7    12-15           at HSU, McM, at UMHB
7.    Concordia              4-6    14-14          DH on Sunday.  at McM, UMHB, at SCHR
8.    Sul Ross State        3-9    4-26           Pending;   TLU, HSU, at McM



It's fun to speculate so I'll say that the playoff field in my opinion is pretty much set if HSU takes 1 of 2 from CTX today. Those teams being TLU, UMHB, HSU and McM, not necessarily in that order. Getting swept by Howard Payne will cost CTX the playoffs.

Why people ever buy into the Schreiner hype, or whoever gives them first place votes in the preseason poll (SID?) amazes me. I'm impressed they have some guys swinging it pretty well this year, but playoff teams don't have 8.00+ ERAs.

The thing is that the teams at the top have the easiest remaining schedules. SU, HPU and Sul Ross have really tough remaining schedules, and CTX's is no cake walk either. Anything can happen. CTX could sweep UMHB in the last regular season series and sneak if they snag a couple here and there and UMHB drops a couple to SU or HPU, but it's doubtful.

I think 15-6 could definitely do the trick for 1st, and I'll agree with Ralph that 12-9 should do the trick for the 4th spot. I should jot down a few scenarios, but I'm lazy so I'll just glance.

Looking forward to the outcome of the CTX/HSU DH today.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 29, 2009, 01:10:30 PM
The TLU/UMHB series is tough to guage anything off of, except for the fact that TLU is now in the driver seat for one of the top 2 seeds.

I compared stats before the series to see if there were any matchups that favored either team, and the offensive, pitching, and defensive stats were almost identical.

The one thing that stood out to me (which hugely gave an advantage to TLU this weekend given the 30 MPH winds blowing out), was the fact that they have a 1.1 Flyout to groundout ratio, and UMHB had a .7 Flyout to groundout ratio. On the flipside, TLU pitchers had a .8 Flyout/groundout ratio, while UMHB pitchers had a 1.1 ratio.

This may not look like it has a huge impact on a series, but I think it may have in this series. UMHB's pitchers give up alot of flyball outs, and TLU pitchers get more groundouts. That played right into TLU's lap as they have a flyball hitting team and UMHB is a groundball hitting team. Throw in the 30 MPH winds, and you have 2 fairly evenly matched teams with one team earning an advantage.

I am not making any excuses for UMHB, but I think it did play a role in this weekend's series. TLU only grounded out roughly 4-5 times in 15 at bats.

Hope I didnt confuse anyone....
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 29, 2009, 02:14:46 PM
Quote from: dp643 on March 29, 2009, 11:32:54 AM
Ralph,

How were you getting updates from CTX and HSU yesterday?
HSU was webcasting the game on their website.

One of the benefits of having two strong programs in Abilene is that there is a respectful "arms race" between HSU and McMurry to provide quality coverage for the athletic programs.

Abilene does a great job of supporting its schools, and so there is a fertile market for such innovation.

McMurry has moved its video-stream link to the front page of the sports page.  HSU has its links on its front page.

I am grateful for the job that HSU's Chad Grubbs and McMurry's Ben Dobson do as SID's.  (Also the other ones whom I have met, UTD's Bruce Unrue and MissCollege's Chris Brooks.)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 29, 2009, 05:51:11 PM
Final from Austin...

CTX 5-2 in Game #2 of the series
HSU 4-0 in Game #3.




1.     Texas Lutheran       8-4     19-11        at SRSU, Schreiner, at HSU
2.    Hardin-Simmons       7-5    16-12         DH on Sunday.  HPU, at SRSU, TLU
   Mary Hardin-Baylor      7-5    16-11             Schreiner, at CTX, HPU
      McMurry                 7-5    16-12        CTX, at HPU , SRSU
5.     Schreiner              6-6    13-14        at UMHB, at TLU, CTX
6.    Howard Payne        5-7    12-15           at HSU, McM, at UMHB
   Concordia              5-7    15-15          DH on Sunday.  at McM, UMHB, at SCHR
8.    Sul Ross State        3-9    4-26             TLU, HSU, at McM



CTX has dug themselves a deep hole.

It is very easy to see the West ending up in a 4-way tie, again, but all 8 teams are still in the race, mathematically.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on March 29, 2009, 05:56:50 PM
HSU takes 2 of 3 from CTX

1.    Texas Lutheran        8-4     19-11    at SRSU, Schreiner, at HSU
2.    Mary Hardin-Baylor   7-5    16-11     Schreiner, at CTX, HPU
      Hardin-Simmons       7-5    16-12     HPU, at SRSU, TLU
      McMurry                    7-5    16-12     CTX, at HPU , SRSU
5.    Schreiner                  6-6    13-14     at UMHB, at TLU, CTX
6.    Howard Payne          5-7    12-15     at HSU, McM, at UMHB
7.    Concordia                 5-7    15-15     at McM, UMHB, at SCHR
8.    Sul Ross State          3-9      4-26     TLU, HSU, at McM
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 29, 2009, 07:39:15 PM
UTT swept the double header from UTD today 3-2 and 7-2. No details were available. They play the final game of the series at Comet field tomorrow.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 29, 2009, 09:42:42 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on March 29, 2009, 07:39:15 PM
UTT swept the double header from UTD today 3-2 and 7-2. No details were available. They play the final game of the series at Comet field tomorrow.
UTT did everything right today.

Links to boxscores and story.

http://cometsports.utdallas.edu/news/2009/3/29/BSB_0329094254.aspx
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on March 29, 2009, 11:12:06 PM
UTT is starting to separate itself a bit form the rest of the west region...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 30, 2009, 06:25:06 PM
UTD 7 UTT 2.  Box score to follow.  (I did not see who got the decisions.)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on March 30, 2009, 08:18:49 PM
UTT still has a big series vs Mississippi College coming up later on this season.  It is the final conference series of the season for UTT and will be at Irwin Field in Tyler.  At the moment, MC has stayed with UTT and is only 1 game back in the East (7-2 vs 6-3).  MC still has ETBU and Ozarks on the schedule before UTT, while the patriots have LeT and LC before MC.  It stands to reason that UTT might be somewhere around 12-3 coming into that series while MC could be 11-4.  Obviously, I think UTT has the edge for that series, but it could make for a very interesting final week of the regular season.

The west side wont be won or lost till the end of the season either...too many teams bunched up still.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on March 30, 2009, 09:42:32 PM
It was out of conference, but MC split at Emory this weekend. We won the opener 13-4, then dropped the second 7-5.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on March 31, 2009, 12:24:46 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 30, 2009, 06:25:06 PM
UTD 7 UTT 2.  Box score to follow.  (I did not see who got the decisions.)

Tommy Rozell got the loss for UTT and Damion Chelakis got the win for UTD
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on March 31, 2009, 12:28:48 AM
I was poking around the statistics at the UTT site.  Brett Holland is 6-3 with around a 2.5 era....hes not getting very much run support.    :-\
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 31, 2009, 11:07:54 PM
Hard to believe but 3/4 of the regular season is over - only 10 games left over the next 3 weeks for most teams in the ASC. Most will find their season over by the 18th of April. For the 8 teams that qaulify for the conference tournament they get to play at least the following week or two if they make it past the first round.

DIII baseball limits the regular season to 40 games. I wish it was more.  :-\
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 03, 2009, 05:23:29 PM
UMHB wins today 5-1. Some nice clutch batting out of the lineup.

Jared Hopper pitched the complete game, 3 hitter, 0 Earned runs, and 13 strikeouts.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 03, 2009, 10:21:30 PM
UTT beat LTU today 12-6 Lex Wolfe got the win working 6 2/3rds and gave up all the runs and 11 hits. Not a great day but a workman like performance. UTT did not use Zigler today as they had a 5-0 lead after 1 and did not look back. They go to 8-2 in the East and 25-6 overall.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 03, 2009, 10:33:04 PM
McM freshman Matt Thompson pinch-hit a bases-loaded, one-out SAC FLY to centerfield to score Tre Lips to beat CTX 2-1.

CTX starter Matt Coburn pitched 8.2 inning and struck out 14 to take the loss.

McM's Cody Martin went 8.2 and was relieved by Dakota Smith who got the win.


http://livestats.internetconsult.com/mcmurry/baseball/
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 03, 2009, 10:34:56 PM
Koch Fans 8; Homers Once      
Release Date: 04/03/2009
Box Score  

Clarksville, Ark.-Todd Koch twirled five shutout innings, fanned eight and homered once to push the Eagles past Louisiana College 12-6 Friday in American Southwest Conference play.
Ozarks improves to 13-16 overall and 7-6 in ASC play. Louisiana College falls to 17-14 overall and 4-6 in the ASC. The series will continue tomorrow with a double-header starting at 12:00 p.m. Both games can be heard on KXIO 106.9 FM and on the web at www.kxio.nu. All Ozarks' seniors and their families will be recognized prior to game one at 11:45 a.m.

From the Ozarks baseball site.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 04, 2009, 12:02:09 AM
Mississippi College takes series opener, 11-3
April 3, 2009 -- ETBU was held to just five hits and Mississippi College broke open a close game with four runs in the sixth inning on the way to an 11-3 win at Woods Field Friday night. The series concludes Saturday with a doubleheader starting at noon.

MC stays only one game back of UTT and is now 7-3 on the season in the east.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on April 04, 2009, 03:36:06 AM
ETBU has had a serious downward trend in their team since 2005.  That year, i believe they won the east side and hosted the tournament, only to lose the championship to TLU.  I forgot who their coach was then, but he ended up leaving after that season, and the team hasnt been very competitive since.  It is sad to see a program tank like that and it really hurts the ASC east when one of the teams that was competitive just drops out basically. 

Anyhow, I am sure that MC will sweep ETBU and UTT should handle LetU the same way.  The big showdown is coming up.  Things are shaping up to be very interesting during the final weeks.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 04, 2009, 03:22:55 PM
McM leads CTX 11-0 going to the bottom of the 4th.    Riggles relieved Johnson in the 3rd after Johnson gave up 7 runs, 3 earned for CTX.  Alvarado relieved Riggles after giving up 4 runs and one out. 

Curry has gone 4 innings of scoreless pitching for McM.

(Great videostream!)


McM 20-0 end of 4 and Leon Rollins, Jr the McMurry announcer called a grand slam HR.

HPU leads HSU 9-5, HSU batting in the bottom of the 4th.

UMHB is up 13-4 on Schreiner after 6; now Final 13-4 UMHB.


HPU is up 11-6 on HSU in the top of the 6th.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 04, 2009, 03:59:35 PM
Johnson got hosed in the Derrick at bat in the first, and looked to get flustered and could never recover. McMurry should is swinging the bats well.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 04, 2009, 04:10:56 PM
Quote from: dp643 on April 04, 2009, 03:59:35 PM
Johnson got hosed in the Derrick at bat in the first, and looked to get flustered and could never recover. McMurry should is swinging the bats well.

I appreciate your comment.  That being the case, then a pitcher going to the next level should not be flustered by that at-bat.

McMurry is up 23-0 in the bottom of the 5th.  They have hit 7 HRs and 23 hits.


HPU up 13-9 in the bottom of the 6th at HSU.
The Cowboys have scored 3 and have runners on 1st and 2nd with no outs.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 04, 2009, 04:25:15 PM
I agree Ralph, I think it just frustration that is being built up. Game three will be for their season, because if they get swept there is very little chance even 6 wins in a row gets them in the conference tourney.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 04, 2009, 04:51:47 PM
HPU and HU are tied at 15 going to the bottom of the 7th.

McM final 24-2.  Curry gets the win.  Zach Hewitt pitched the 7th for the McM's.

Schreiner is up 5-2 in the bottom of the 2nd in Belton.  Matt Valley is one the mound for SU.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 04, 2009, 05:25:08 PM
Quote from: tloc14 on April 04, 2009, 03:36:06 AM
ETBU has had a serious downward trend in their team since 2005.  That year, i believe they won the east side and hosted the tournament, only to lose the championship to TLU.  I forgot who their coach was then, but he ended up leaving after that season, and the team hasnt been very competitive since.  It is sad to see a program tank like that and it really hurts the ASC east when one of the teams that was competitive just drops out basically. 

If I'm not mistaken, that entire ordeal was a complete circus. The ENTIRE team (I want to say at least 7 of the 9 starters) quit on the coach. The AD in a touch position more or less had to back his coach, and a handful of the players hung around to finish the season when it was all said and done, but by then the damage had been done.

Their nucleus for the following year was gone, they had an awful year and then your recruiting goes to shambles. There's some solid high school baseball played in that region of East Texas, but you have to think that a lot of those guys go to schools like Stephen F. Austin (a relatively new program as well), UT Tyler, etc.

There's a reason that the last 4-5 years you've seen the same teams near the top every year. Once you're not of of those tough teams it's tough to recruit to expensive private schools (and I don't know what the tuition and enrollment factors are at ETBU).

You have to be able to find a couple of diamonds in the rough in the same year, and hope it comes together and you make a push (getting new facilities can help) so that you have momentum to keep getting players. And the bottom line it's tough (and the team ERAs reflect this) to find quality arms in D3 baseball in the ASC these days.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 04, 2009, 06:46:35 PM
UT Tyler won the east in 2005 but since they were a provisional member could not participate in the conference tourney they were 30-7 that year and had the overall best record in the West Region. ETBU along with MC and UTD were good then. Since UTT could not participate ETBU was the east divsion 1st place seed. In 2007 UTT again won the east this time with a 37-1 record the best record in all of DIV III but once again they were still a provisional member and UTD was given the #1 seed. UTD went on as a Pool A selection to go to the regionals that year. Last year was the first time UTT was NCAA III full member and allowed to participate in post season play. On that 2005 team they had 7 players that went on to play minor league ball (of those 4 were pitchers) and one that was later drafted (Tim Matthews) who transfered to Baylor after an outstanding freshman year with the Patriots. They had 4 quality starters that year and a tough closer. They also had a power packed hitting  team. There one weakness was defense as they made too many errors.

By the way UTT is on the verge of sweep of LTU they won the front end of the double header 5-1 and are leading the second game in the bottom of the 6th 6-1.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 04, 2009, 07:19:39 PM
HSU 16, HPU 15  (9 innings)

HSU-HPU tied at 4 in the 4th inning.

CTX leads McM 8-5 after the 8th.

Final McM 9 CTX 8.

Tre Lips hit a bases loaded double to win the game in a 4-run 9th.

The wheels just came off the CTX wagon.  I can't say anything else.


Schreiner is up 10-7 in the bottom of the 11th.  UMHB has the bases loaded.  Schreiner gets out of the inning with a SAC FLY and a game-ending DP  Final Schreiner 10-8!

TLU swept the DH 8-5, 9-2 over SRSU.


In the bottom of the 8th, Dixon doubles home Roam. HSU wins 5-4.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 04, 2009, 08:05:37 PM
UTT sweeps its series agaist LTU to go to 9-2 in the east and 26-6 overall
MC is on the verge of sweep with ETBU  winning the front end of the double header 15-8 if they win the night cap they will stay just one game back at 8-3 in the east. That would set up a the final weekend series at UTT for the championship if both teams keep winning. A big series for MC as next week as they host Ozarks.
Ozarks swept LC which to me at least was a surpise winining 5-4 and 9-8 in two very close games in Arkansas. They go to 9-6 in the east and take over 3rd. 
UTD had a bye this week and are 4th at 6-6. They finish at home with LTU then close out at ETBU. Thus the schedule favors them to move up.
LC falls back 4-8 and must host UTT next week. So they look to be on the verge of ellimination from the conference tournament they have a bye next week.
LTU is out of the running.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 04, 2009, 08:21:04 PM
1.     Texas Lutheran       11-4     22-11        Schreiner, at HSU
2T    Hardin-Simmons       10-5    19-13        at SRSU, TLU
2T     McMurry                10-5    19-12       at HPU , SRSU
4.    Mary Hardin-Baylor    9-6    18-12             at CTX, HPU
5.     Schreiner               7-8     14-16          at TLU, CTX
6T    Howard Payne         5-10    12-18           McM, at UMHB
6T    Concordia               5-10    14-16           UMHB, at SCHR
8.    Sul Ross State         3-12    4-29            HSU, at McM
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3ballplayerfan on April 04, 2009, 09:34:56 PM
My brother played for the former ETBU coach (Riggs) when he was a JUCO coach at Tyler, so I want to set the record straight.  What happened at ETBU in 2006 was that one of the 2005 seniors, who was helping out as a volunteer assistant, fired up some of his buddies to mutiny against Coach Riggs, thinking he could get the job.  Most of the key players, except for their All-Region 1B, quit in hopes that the AD would actually listen to them and fire Coach Riggs.  The AD backed his coach, and the Coach resigned after the season.  The players that quit, many of whom still had a year or two left of eligibility, were going to return until Blackmon was hired and apparently told them they were not welcome.  Which I can understand.  The problem is that the AD made a bad hire.  Blackmon might be a decent baseball guy, but if you look at his track record at UD and ETBU both teams have fallen off once the previous coach's impact is no longer felt.   Vilade left him a gold mine at UD and he competed for awhile, but the team went backwards. 

Being a former college player, and having two brothers that were, I know how important coaches are.  I believe that the ASC schools (just like the NCAC schools up here) that win are the schools with the best coaches.  Between recruiting, keeping players focused off the field, and everything else involved, the coach makes or breaks the program.  I think that more young guys should be given a shot from time to time, because I believe that if a coach can't build a winner he should find another job.


Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 04, 2009, 09:39:59 PM
Welcome to the boards, d3ballplayerfan!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 04, 2009, 10:21:40 PM
Quote from: d3ballplayerfan on April 04, 2009, 09:34:56 PM
What happened at ETBU in 2006 was that one of the 2005 seniors, who was helping out as a volunteer assistant, fired up some of his buddies to mutiny against Coach Riggs, thinking he could get the job.  Most of the key players, except for their All-Region 1B, quit in hopes that the AD would actually listen to them and fire Coach Riggs. 

I suspect you know a lot more about this than I do, but college baseball players playing at the division III level are typically playing because they love the game. I can't fathom a volunteer assistant getting "most of the key players," to mutiny against the coach (and consequently quitting.)

I think there's more to the story, and I think Riggs had to be doing some things that were obviously driving a wedge between himself and the team.

I mean, for a player or two maybe, but nearly an entire starting roster? Someone doesn't stand up and stay, look your our boy, but you're out of our mind. We're going to either A.) All go talk to the coach and tell him his approach isn't resonating with us (very doubtful) or B.) Bitch about him in the lockerroom, but endure and keep playing the game (Has to be the case 95%+ of the time.)

I personally think you're putting a little too much emphasis on the coaching. Who would be more successful, a great coach in Sul Ross or a really good one at UT Tyler? The difference in location, admission standards, tuition costs, etc. All of these things play a factor as well.

Great coaches can find ways to win games, and poor coaches can lose games, but typically coaches can't put on cleats and toe the rubber.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3ballplayerfan on April 04, 2009, 10:52:34 PM
Actually, I believe a good coach would win ASC titles at Sul Ross.  They have all of west Texas to recruit alone.  They could have a lineup full of guys like Arietta.  Actually, they did.  In 1999 they led the nation in hitting and won the ASC.  Sul Ross has serious advantages that a good coach would take advantage of, they just are guilty of terrible hires as well.  Vilade would have just as good of a team at Sul Ross as he does at Tyler, and that is true.  Actually, when it comes to conference titles in the last 15 years, Sul Ross 2, UTT none, though to be fair they are just getting started.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 04, 2009, 11:45:53 PM
Vilade is a good coach but his real skill is in recruiting. He has great interpersonal skills and can communicate with parents as well as the players. Alot of people dismiss UTT success because it is a public univesity with less expensive tuition and somewhat lighter admission standards than some private schools. But they forget that he had great teams bulit from scratch at UD which is private, expensive and very exlusive. He built both teams from scratch littarly they had no baseball field on either campus at the start and in the case of UTT were on NCAA probation and could not compete in post season for 3 years. Despite that he recruited great players and they won the ASC east in 2005 with a 30-7 record in only their second year of existence. My son was one of those and a top level pitcher for Vilade that went on to a brief pro carreer. He had turned down UTD to go to UTT even though he and I knew the lack of field and lack of post season play. Why did he go because of James and the knoweldge that James could get him to the next level if he was willing to work for it. He placed his players in very good summer progarms on the east coast, the Texas league and the CICL. They got to compete and in my sons case made the all-star teams in those leagues both years Vilade placed him. That made him a better pitcher - facing DI and DII talent and getting them out. And insofar as the school is concerned my son went back after his brief pro carreer to UTT to get his MBA. That is an advantage as most of the liberal arts colleges do not have post grad programs. Stan Phelps who pitched with my son on the 2004 and 2005 also has a masters from UTT.  (I bristle when I hear disparaging remarks about the university. They are going through a massive building campaign and have expanded their business school and School of engineering just to name a couple. - by the way how many engineers are graduating from the other non-public universities - UTD and UTT are the only ones I know have such programs.)

Vilade thus worked tirelessly. So it makes a huge difference in who is running the program. Time will tell now that Diggers is gone what that means to McMurry.

Vilade left UD because they told him one thing then pulled the rug out and said he would not get his stadium and they were going to leave the ASC and go independent. He did not see the commitment from the school to advance the program. He has that commitment at UTT and he is making it pay. So you need a great recruiter that knows how to coach not a great coach who is just a so so recruiter. The coach has to have great interpesonal skills to not only recruit but make the administration understand what he is trying to accomplish and he must have a plan. The admin of the school must be on board and support him. This is not easy at a small private institution that does not have the same vision insofar as importance of intercollegiate sports in the university's budget scheme. UD had different priorities and thus Vilade and the admin parted ways. After he left the new coach had less support from the university and program eventually driffted to mediocre. I don't know the facts at ETBU but the coach they hired from UD was not a Vilade.

Could Vilade win at SUL Ros, yes but only if the University supported him. He can't recruit withhout their support. Alot of the players he recruits may need financial aid - will the university suport that effort? Will they upgrade facilities including practice fields, locker rooms, wheight training. Will they be willing to pay for the team to travel to play good opponents. So many issues that make a good program.

Texas BB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 05, 2009, 12:15:17 AM
Let's see how Byington does at McMurry.

He seems to have developed this year's team well.

I like McMurry's chances if they can win the last 6 games.  If HSU beats TLU 2-1, then a 16-5 McMurry would win the West outright.

I am not trying to count chickens before they hatch, because the HPU and SRSU series will be tough!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on April 05, 2009, 02:18:36 AM
Looks like the west is starting to take shape finally.  It seems that the top 4 teams have separated from the rest.  Things can still happen, but it looks like the only positions changes of relevence will be between the top 4.

CTX looks like they had  really disappointing season.  I dont know what happened there.  They played UTT tough at the beginning of the season and won, but have been in steady decline (it seems) since.

I did not know the full extent of what happened at ETBU.  All I knew was that they had a coach leave and Blackmon was hired from UD.  From an outsider's point of view it looked like the program fell apart when the new coach came in.  That did not suprise me because I remembered how UD fell apart when Vilade left (actually Blackmon was the successor there too).  If I had to guess, ETBU an UD shared the same opinions as schools towards athletics.  Many private schools see sports as simply something extracurricular and not as something to invest in.  If I were a betting man, I would guess that the decline of ETBU was much more internal than just the locker room or the coach.

The reason I said ETBU won the East was because Tyler was in a probationary period, and thus their record counted for nothing when the post season started.  If I remember correctly, ETBU was ranked in the top 10 at points that year....drastic change.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: yuckmonkey on April 05, 2009, 11:22:48 AM
Quote from: tloc14 on April 05, 2009, 02:18:36 AM
Looks like the west is starting to take shape finally.  It seems that the top 4 teams have separated from the rest.  Things can still happen, but it looks like the only positions changes of relevence will be between the top 4.

CTX looks like they had  really disappointing season.  I dont know what happened there. 

tloc I agree with you and don't know what happened to ctx.  I thought starting the season they were the top of the west.  And when ASC West started I thought they would be standing atop the list when it was all done.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 05, 2009, 12:13:42 PM
Quote from: yuckmonkey on April 05, 2009, 11:22:48 AM
Quote from: tloc14 on April 05, 2009, 02:18:36 AM
CTX looks like they had  really disappointing season.  I dont know what happened there. 

tloc I agree with you and don't know what happened to ctx.  I thought starting the season they were the top of the west.  And when ASC West started I thought they would be standing atop the list when it was all done.


They're one of the worst offensive teams in the ASC, and while their defense on paper isn't that bad it hasn't been very good when it counts up the middle. Kinart has been pretty awful at SS, and they've been virtually incapable of turning double plays. Maybe their staff is doing a poor job throwing ground balls in those situations, but the starting rotation is definitely one of the best in the ASC and Riggles and Szkotak have been pretty solid out of the pen.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 05, 2009, 01:33:43 PM
Ralph,

I suspect Byington will do well if he can recruit. McMurry in my mind is primarily known as a baseball school and appears to have the support of the school Administration. That is the key. The team he has this year is primarily hold overs from Diggers recruiting. That is why I said time will tell. Blackmon had success the first year after Vilade left because he was working with Vilade's recruits. When he had to go out and recruit and the school had dropped out of the ASC the recruiting got harder and he was either not up to it or did not receive the support of the university. I suspect based on what has happened at ETBU that is was a little of both. Can Byington recruit the same level of talent at Diggers did? We won't know the answer to that for a couple of years. It will also be interesting to see what Diggers is able to do at his new school. I am not sure why he left McMurry he had a great set up from what I can tell - great facilities, an administration that supported the program and a rich tradition that he largely made. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseballfan24 on April 05, 2009, 01:51:50 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on April 05, 2009, 01:33:43 PM
Ralph,

I suspect Byington will do well if he can recruit. McMurry in my mind is primarily known as a baseball school and appears to have the support of the school Administration. That is the key. The team he has this year is primarily hold overs from Diggers recruiting. That is why I said time will tell. Blackmon had success the first year after Vilade left because he was working with Vilade's recruits. When he had to go out and recruit and the school had dropped out of the ASC the recruiting got harder and he was either not up to it or did not receive the support of the university. I suspect based on what has happened at ETBU that is was a little of both. Can Byington recruit the same level of talent at Diggers did? We won't know the answer to that for a couple of years. It will also be interesting to see what Diggers is able to do at his new school. I am not sure why he left McMurry he had a great set up from what I can tell - great facilities, an administration that supported the program and a rich tradition that he largely made. 

How do you know that Byington wasn't already doing the recruiting?  My guess is he did the bulk of it.  McMurry has mostly gone after JuCo talent.  I don't think they will change that plan.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 05, 2009, 02:47:54 PM
I am not as familiar with McMurry's past and do not know how heavily involved Diggers got his assistants involved. Irrespective of their involvement the player has to be sold on the head coach. The head coach has to be the one that really sits down and talks to the kids and their parents. The head coach ultimately has the final say on who he wants and does not want to go after. There is a big differnce between scouting talent and making recomendations than to actually get the players to commit. Only the head coach can do that. Vilade does that himself he uses Stan and others to help spot talent but he is the one that verifies it himself and then does the hard sell or not. Again maybee Diggers approach was different and maybee he did not get himself involved that much with the process but that would really surprise me.  It is usually a very hands on personal thing - recruiting.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 05, 2009, 03:30:25 PM
Quote from: baseballfan24 on April 05, 2009, 01:51:50 PM
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How do you know that Byington wasn't already doing the recruiting?  My guess is he did the bulk of it.  McMurry has mostly gone after JuCo talent.  I don't think they will change that plan.

IMHOP, here are four freshmen that McMurry has recruited that have shown good performances this season (in alphabetical order):  Brian Durst OF L/R from Rockwall; Zack Hewitt  RHP, Abilene Cooper; Chris Semchenko P; and Matt Thompson 1B L/R Southlake Carroll.

As for JUCO's in Texas, there are 39 36 JUCO'S playing baseball!  That is a great place to find 3-4 quality players every year.  ;)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on April 05, 2009, 05:02:02 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 05, 2009, 03:30:25 PM
Quote from: baseballfan24 on April 05, 2009, 01:51:50 PM
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How do you know that Byington wasn't already doing the recruiting?  My guess is he did the bulk of it.  McMurry has mostly gone after JuCo talent.  I don't think they will change that plan.

IMHOP, here are four freshmen that McMurry has recruited that have shown good performances this season (in alphabetical order):  Brian Durst OF L/R from Rockwall; Zack Hewitt  RHP, Abilene Cooper; Chris Semchenko P; and Matt Thompson 1B L/R Southlake Carroll.

As for JUCO's in Texas, there are 39 JUCO'S playing baseball!  That is a great place to find 3-4 quality players every year.  ;)

Ralph, just out of curiosity, do all of the 39 JUCO venues in Texas offer athletic scholarships for baseball?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 05, 2009, 05:46:39 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on April 05, 2009, 05:02:02 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 05, 2009, 03:30:25 PM
Quote from: baseballfan24 on April 05, 2009, 01:51:50 PM
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How do you know that Byington wasn't already doing the recruiting?  My guess is he did the bulk of it.  McMurry has mostly gone after JuCo talent.  I don't think they will change that plan.

IMHOP, here are four freshmen that McMurry has recruited that have shown good performances this season (in alphabetical order):  Brian Durst OF L/R from Rockwall; Zack Hewitt  RHP, Abilene Cooper; Chris Semchenko P; and Matt Thompson 1B L/R Southlake Carroll.

As for JUCO's in Texas, there are 39 36 JUCO'S playing baseball!  That is a great place to find 3-4 quality players every year.  ;)

Ralph, just out of curiosity, do all of the 39 JUCO venues in Texas offer athletic scholarships for baseball?

Hello, Warren.  Here is the link to the website that gives the data on the JUCO's.

http://www.njcaa.org/colleges.cfm

My bad!  There are only 36 JUCO's playing baseball in Texas (in regions 5 and 14).  Five Seven (the 6 Dallas County Community College District campuses and Tyler JC) compete as NJCAA III which I think may not offer athletics-related financial aid.

That leaves 31 29 in NJCAA I. 

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 05, 2009, 08:00:29 PM
ASC East Playoff Teams -

UT Tyler:

Offense:  A
Every single starter is currently hitting over .300 – I don't know what other team can say that. Most teams pitchers can relax a bit near the end of the order, but that's not the case with this Tyler team. Kendall Fox started slow, but both he and Newell are hitting over .400 in conference play, which sets the tone nicely and puts runners on the base for Lemire, Hardin and Daleiden.

Pitching: A
Tempted to give them an A+ because they've been so much better than the rest of the conference, but with Booher's limited innings, and the fact that aside from Zeigler, nobody in the pen has really established they can consistently get out the big bats in the West.  Sparks has been good in limited action the last couple of weeks and could be a key factor in a playoff push.

Defense: A+
Daleiden hasn't been great at SS, but Towns, Hodges, and Lemire have been nails.

Other:
They'll love home field advantage throughout. They get knocked a bit just because Vilade has to prove he can do it in the playoffs.

Project ASC record: 15-3


Mississippi College:

Offense: B
They won't produce the runs that a team like UTD does, but they do hit for good average, and find ways to get on base. They have more BB/HBP than strikeouts (an impressive stat that only the Ozarks shares in the ASC.) Bo Bell (.435 avg, 7 HR, 43 RBI) leads the way, and Brannon Walls has been very good as well. Chase Herrin and Andy Smith do a solid job of getting on base (and swiping bags) in front of them. Like most teams in the East, there's a drop off after the top few hitters, and only Bell is going to beat you with the long ball. Not likely to have a big inning.

Pitching: C+
They're the 3rd best pitching team in the East, but that's not saying much. Hinson has been pretty good (6-2, 3.28 ERA) and they've gotten quite a bit of mileage out of Craven, but only Tyler has the depth built for a winning the ASC tournament. They can't feel comfortable giving the ball to anyone in the bullpen.

Defense: B+
Not a great defensive team, but not awful either. If Warren's in the line-up, you want him at DH though. Tough to trust a guy with a .757 Fielding %.

Other: D
It's been a few years since they've had a team get out of the first round. They usually struggle away from home where they're 5-9 (or so) this year. They really need to strive to snag second in the east so they can host a team or I don't envision them having a chance to get to the double elimination tournament.
Projected ASC Record: 12-6 (tiebreaker over UTD)


UT Dallas:

Offense: B+
The first four to five guys have really swung the bat well and Randy Lorber is an on-base machine (.525 BP) at the top of their order. I believe he's near the top in the nation in BB/game. Ross (.402 avg, 14 2B, 43 RBIs) and Smith  (.336 avg, 13 HR, 46 RBIs) are both having huge seasons. All 3 are a threat to swipe some bags. Shewmake is tinkering with the bottom of the order, but those guys shouldn't beat you.

Pitching:  C
Team ERA is 6.54, and Chelakis (4-1, 4.54 ERA) has been relatively solid, but they don't have a guy they can run out there and say win this game for us. They have to rely on these guys to keep it close and try to win with explosive offense. All three starters have pitched some solid games, but in a tournament, they ALL have to, and it's very unlikely. Only Spinn has been able to get people out consistently out of the pen.

Defense: A-/B+
I think they're the best both offensively and defensively with Starnes/Biguenet up the middle, but we'll see how Norton continues to factor into the mix.

Other:
Shewmake has been there before, and they have some guys left over from the '07 team, who made a solid push including leaders like Waggoner and Chelakis.
Projected ASC Record: 12-6


Ozarks:

Offense:  C
Only Hardin Simmons will have a potentially weaker offense than the Ozarks in the ASC playoffs (I think HSU is a better offense.) Teaster has been solid (.323  avg – but doesn't get on base at a great clip), and really only Hogan has proved that he's going to hit .346 avg, 10 HR, 46 RBIs) hit the good stuff.  Smith, Cook, and Cameron all have to step up their offensive in a hurry.

Pitching:  C-/D+
7.62 ERA speaks volumes. They don't have a starter under 5.60, and there's nobody in the pen they can rely on save for maybe Scheuring. Koch and Cameron were both much better last year. Maybe they're trying to carry too much weight on their shoulders?

Defense: A
They play really good defense, and that's probably why they're a playoff team despite being one of the weaker offensive and pitching teams in the conference this year. Briggs, Kizer and Cordell have been really, really good – to the point that the majority of their teams' errors don't come from the left side of the infield (like most teams in the ASC.)

Projected ASC Record: 10-8


JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ballme on April 06, 2009, 11:20:35 AM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on April 05, 2009, 08:00:29 PM
ASC East Playoff Teams -

UT Tyler:

Offense:  A
Every single starter is currently hitting over .300 – I don't know what other team can say that. Most teams pitchers can relax a bit near the end of the order, but that's not the case with this Tyler team. Kendall Fox started slow, but both he and Newell are hitting over .400 in conference play, which sets the tone nicely and puts runners on the base for Lemire, Hardin and Daleiden.

Pitching: A
Tempted to give them an A+ because they've been so much better than the rest of the conference, but with Booher's limited innings, and the fact that aside from Zeigler, nobody in the pen has really established they can consistently get out the big bats in the West.  Sparks has been good in limited action the last couple of weeks and could be a key factor in a playoff push.

Defense: A+
Daleiden hasn't been great at SS, but Towns, Hodges, and Lemire have been nails.

Other:
They'll love home field advantage throughout. They get knocked a bit just because Vilade has to prove he can do it in the playoffs.

Project ASC record: 15-3



You forgot to add an over-ratedness category for a weak Ease....A+ for UTT
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ballme on April 06, 2009, 11:31:51 AM
I could also make an educated arguement that anyone in the top 15 nationally ranked could put a beating on UTT.  No strength of schedule.  Play someone other than Phoenix Online and DeVry.  Plus homefield advantage for UTT, I hear, is like putting Game Genie into your Sega, because it becomes lopsided.  Ziegler can perform balks anytime everytime, that's Game Genie itself.  Let's crown them after the Conference Tourny, if they can come out of it. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: infielddad on April 06, 2009, 11:57:25 AM
Quote from: ballme on April 06, 2009, 11:31:51 AM
I could also make an educated arguement that anyone in the top 15 nationally ranked could put a beating on UTT.  No strength of schedule.  Play someone other than Phoenix Online and DeVry.  Plus homefield advantage for UTT, I hear, is like putting Game Genie into your Sega, because it becomes lopsided.  Ziegler can perform balks anytime everytime, that's Game Genie itself.  Let's crown them after the Conference Tourny, if they can come out of it. 

If you want to make an educated "argument," you might spell the word correctly and then make one.
Why even take the time to post something like this?  In the process of trying to demean UTT, the only thing you did, that I can understand, is to demean yourself.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 06, 2009, 01:37:55 PM
McMurry has won 9 in a row, so it appears as if a current player can now get on here and talk some trash. It adds some flavor to this board!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on April 06, 2009, 02:47:20 PM
I dont agree with much Ballme posted, but I do agree that UTT is probably overrated...maybe not in the West Region or ASC, but nationally.  I am dumbfounded with the love they are getting in the polls considering they are basically brand new.

I sincerely doubt they get "pounded" by any team in the top 15.  UTT has lost 6 games this season by a combined 16 runs for an average margin of defeat of 2.5 runs per loss (four of their losses have been by 2 runs or less).  Their largest margin of defeat was 5 runs in their recent loss to UTD.  I wouldnt consider that "getting pounded."

On the flip side, UTT has won 27 games by a combined margin of 168 runs.  That comes out to a little over 6.2 runs in average margin of victory.  I could understand an argument about UTT being unable to win close games (looking at the stats, they are 5-4 in games decided by 2 runs or less).

Kinda funny comment on Zeigler though.  You wouldnt happen to be one of the players he picked off of 2nd base would you?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on April 06, 2009, 03:57:36 PM
Ralph:

Thanks for the information on junior colleges. Apparently, none of the JUCO venues in San Antonio, all part of the same system, now has varsity sports (though at one time, San Antonio College, the first of the JUCOs in that city, competed in men's basketball and perhaps other sports -- but, of course, that was back when I was a college freshman and the world was young.)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 06, 2009, 04:37:05 PM
Quote from: dp643 on April 06, 2009, 01:37:55 PM
McMurry has won 9 in a row, so it appears as if a current player can now get on here and talk some trash. It adds some flavor to this board!

Everyone is entitled their opinion, and I don't mind a little trash talk, but it carries more weight coming from someone who has thrown more than 2 innings this year. (Not that there's any shame in that. I admire all student athletes who stick it out for the love the game, teammates, etc. -- I won't pretend to know someone else's circumstances.)

I would be proud of my team too, but perhaps a better approach is to talk up McMurry's achievements as opposed to bashing on a team that's played pretty good baseball thus far this year.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 06, 2009, 05:03:53 PM
I completely agree JSG. I can also assure you McMurry does not want to get 4th and have to go to UT Tyler in the first round.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 06, 2009, 05:24:39 PM
There is still two weeks of good conference baseball to play and things are still not decided. McMurry is playing better but TLU is still in front and if either of them slips others are on their heels. MC is making noise in the East and it may come down to the last weekend to decide the East champion. MC has really picked it up recently, peaking at the right time.

Only 2 weekends left - time is flying bye too fast. I wish they allowed more than 40 games at the DIII level.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ballme on April 06, 2009, 06:36:24 PM
Just throwing out some meat.  Love to get some talk going and nothing better than spitting a little trash!  No, never been picked by Ziegler.  If that's legal it's gotta be the sickest pick in the game to 2nd base.

Maybe they would not get "pounded" by top teams.  But I would like to see them play some tougher opponents to see where they really stack up.  I want to see how good other areas in the nation stack up to our conference.  No better way than have our best team battle the other best out there(see I have love for 'em, just wanna spice it up and love the great comments back).
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on April 06, 2009, 08:35:55 PM
Quote from: dp643 on April 06, 2009, 05:03:53 PM
I completely agree JSG. I can also assure you McMurry does not want to get 4th and have to go to UT Tyler in the first round.

Given that I'm new in this conference I don't have a good view of how things work post season wise. I infer from what you're saying dp643 that W1 vs E4; W2 vs E3 and vis-a-versa? Or do they stay separated for the fist round?

I also read that TLU is one of five teams that potentially are being batted around in reference of the Top 6 teams within the West Region. Not sure if I fully understand all the regional post season factorials - but assume that if one wins the ASC that would be a sure bet for a regional bid. But what if you don't win; are there any avenues for another ASC team to get in?

The other question I have is what factors into conference awards? I assume that mainly the regular season is what drives such awards - but one never knows...I have been wrong before here as well.

Anyone care to educate an old man on these finer points?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 06, 2009, 08:54:23 PM
First Round (Best of 3):

E1 vs. W4
E2 vs. W3
W2 vs. E3
W1 vs. E4

1 & 2 seeds host.

Second Round:

The four teams that win play a double elimination tournament for the ASC title. If the East #1 seed, presumably UT Tyler, wins their best of three, they'll host the championship tourney.

With Chapman losing 2 of 3 to East Bay, it potentially opens the door for another team.

If you made me say today, I would venture that you're probably looking at UT Tyler, Pomona, Cal Lutheran, Linfield, and George Fox with a few other teams in the mix for the 6th spot. If another team wins the ASC tournament, that opens the door for Tyler to still probably get a nod.  That said, there's lots of baseball left to be played.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 06, 2009, 09:15:49 PM
Quote from: Dawgsdad on April 06, 2009, 08:35:55 PM
Quote from: dp643 on April 06, 2009, 05:03:53 PM
I completely agree JSG. I can also assure you McMurry does not want to get 4th and have to go to UT Tyler in the first round.

Given that I'm new in this conference I don't have a good view of how things work post season wise. I infer from what you're saying dp643 that W1 vs E4; W2 vs E3 and vis-a-versa? Or do they stay separated for the fist round?

I also read that TLU is one of five teams that potentially are being batted around in reference of the Top 6 teams within the West Region. Not sure if I fully understand all the regional post season factorials - but assume that if one wins the ASC that would be a sure bet for a regional bid. But what if you don't win; are there any avenues for another ASC team to get in?

The other question I have is what factors into conference awards? I assume that mainly the regular season is what drives such awards - but one never knows...I have been wrong before here as well.

Anyone care to educate an old man on these finer points?
NCAA Handbook (http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/champ_handbooks/baseball/2009/3_baseball_handbook.pdf)

The winner of the Conference Tourney gets the automatic bid.

There are 35 Pool A bids; 6 Pool B bids to independents and to conferences that do not have Pool A status.

The remaining schools go into Pool C, if they did not get a Pool A or B bid.

There are 13 Pool C bids for the at-large pool, those teams that are left over after the automatic bids are given.

IMHO, the only team which stands a good chance of getting a Pool C bid is UT-Tyler.

Everyone else should count on winning the tourney.

FAQ (http://www.d3baseball.com/faq/category/NCAA+Tournament)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 06, 2009, 10:31:01 PM
Dawgsdad,

JSG and Ralph pretty much summed it up your first two questions. This year is a unique year with the west having alot of parity. Chapman Sweeps McMurry, McMurry wins 2 of 3 from TLU, TLU takes 2 of 3 from East Bay who takes 2 of 3 from Chapman. Makes little sense, but thats the way the region is this year.

Last year there were I believe 3 teams with over 30 wins (Tyler, Ozarks, Concordia) and UMHB with 28 who didnt get an at large bid. That alone should show you how tough it is to get one. It would be hard to imagine a TLU team with 11+ losses falling into that spot, but I guess you could say weirder things have happened. Like we have all been saying all along, UT Tyler not winning the conference would be the only chance the ASC has of getting 2 teams into the regional.

Im not doubting the fact that TLUs name might be thrown around here or there, but I dont think our conference is going to get much credit come selection time.  It has been a funny year, and I would expect nothing less than another wild finish this year.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on April 06, 2009, 10:47:28 PM
The ASC doesnt get much love when it comes to at large bids.  I do not remember when the conference got 2 bids...maybe in 2004, I think TLU won the tourney and UTD also got a bid.

Anyhow, I do not believe any ASC team has made the World Series Tournament.  That being said, when it comes down to picking at large bids, they usually go to teams that have a history of post season success if it is a tossup decision.  Obviously, if a team like UTT does not get an automatic bid but has an amazing record and ranking, they may very well get an atlarge bid.  But, if it turns out like last year, and a couple ASC teams were in the mix with no real clear-cut favorite, the atlarge goes elsewhere.

It is frustrating because there are so many quality teams and players in the West Region with so few bids....but like anything else, if you are the one left out you will always think the system needs to expand.

The ONLY guarantee is to win the conference tournament.  A couple years back, I think in 2002 or 2003 (the year after Vilade left UDallas), the University of Dallas went something like 31-3 and were up to #3 in national polls.  They were independent and had no conference tournament.  They were left out of the post season completely.  So, even the most deserving teams can be left out.  If you dont win the tourney, dont expect a bid because you will be lucky to get one.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 06, 2009, 11:31:09 PM
UTD got a Pool C bid in 2007.

We need to split into 2 conferences.  That would double our bids.

As I look at McMurry's Pool C chances, I see these "ugly" losses.

One Chapman loss -- you don't get swept at home.
LeTU
Austin College
One of the UMHB home losses -- you always win the home series.

A great team worthy of a Pool C bid probably doesn't even lose its conference tourney.  Nevertheless McMurry is 16-11 (West Region).  Were they 20-7 in West Region games, with the chance to finish the regular season at 29-7 (West Region), then McMurry is close to Pool C bid.

Sweeping the opening series and losing two games of three in the tourney finals would make them 32-9. (West Region).  That is close.

I think that the conference has 6-7 teams that are somewhere between #30-#100 nationwide.  That is a lot of parity.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on April 07, 2009, 01:33:32 AM
If the ASC split into 2 conferences, the East side would be terribly weak....atleast going on the way it has been shaping up the past couple years.  IF the ASC split, in a perfect world, maybe it could pick up Austin College, UDallas, Trinity, and Southwestern; and have 2 solid sides.   Wont ever happen, but it would be interesting.  I think the East side would be ok with swapping out Ozarks, MC, and LC for 3 Texas schools....Maybe rename itself the Eastern Texas Conference where the other side would be Western Texas Conference.     :D
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on April 07, 2009, 01:43:31 AM
Quote from: ballme on April 06, 2009, 06:36:24 PM
Just throwing out some meat.  Love to get some talk going and nothing better than spitting a little trash!  No, never been picked by Ziegler.  If that's legal it's gotta be the sickest pick in the game to 2nd base.

Maybe they would not get "pounded" by top teams.  But I would like to see them play some tougher opponents to see where they really stack up.  I want to see how good other areas in the nation stack up to our conference.  No better way than have our best team battle the other best out there(see I have love for 'em, just wanna spice it up and love the great comments back).

Honestly, UTT has significantly improved their non-conference schedule in the past couple years.  During the first 2-3 years of the program, Tyler's non-conf schedule consisted of Central Arkansas Baptist (or something like that), Jarvis Christian, SAGU, and Texas College.  It was completely creampuff to say the least.  This season they hosted a little round robin in Tyler where they played CTX and Trinity 2x, then they went to Abeline and played Marietta, HSU, and Southwestern, and finally picked up single games vs UTD and UDallas.  Their series vs Hendrix and Castelton (VT) werent really difficult matches, but you can see the obvious steps that have been made.

I have heard rumors of a future trip to Cali to play some of the big boys out there in the coming years.

It is difficult to get top notch opponents when you are starting a program from scratch because no one has heard of you, and NO ONE wants to lose to a new program.  Now that UTTyler has made a name for themselves, they are having a much easier time setting up good non-conference games.  I would like to see them dump Hendrix for Millsaps though.   :-\
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 07, 2009, 07:48:14 AM
Quote from: ballme on April 06, 2009, 11:31:51 AM
I could also make an educated arguement that anyone in the top 15 nationally ranked could put a beating on UTT.  No strength of schedule.  Play someone other than Phoenix Online and DeVry.  Plus homefield advantage for UTT, I hear, is like putting Game Genie into your Sega, because it becomes lopsided.  Ziegler can perform balks anytime everytime, that's Game Genie itself.  Let's crown them after the Conference Tourny, if they can come out of it. 

While certainly not pinpoint accurate, Boyd's World has UT Tyler with a strength of schedule of 12 in the nation. Seems there doing okay compared to other West Region teams:


Austin 3
McMurry 5
UT Dallas 11
La Verne 14
Mary Hardin Baylor 18
Chapman 19
Trinity 21
Pac Lutheran 23
Hardin Simmons 28
Redlands 33
Texas Lutheran 34
Cal Lutheran 37
Pomona Pitzer 60
George Fox 76
Mississippi College 86
Linfield 130

http://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/isr/d3_isr.html


JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 07, 2009, 10:04:14 AM
The ASC will never get  Austin College or Trinity to switch so the east needs another team of quality. I also don't thing UD is going to come back. Texas Wesleyan would be a good school to approach. It is in Ft. Worth and plays alot of the ASC teams already.

The east then would have more balance and 8 teams.  If ETBU can get its act back together, plus given the recent rise of Ozarks, the East would then be tough and the split of the conference into two leages for baseball would have credibility.

UTT
UTD
Texas Wesleyan
MC
LC
ETBU
Ozarks
LTU
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on April 07, 2009, 02:27:01 PM
I think TX Wesleyan is DII, so them dropping back down to DIII is very unlikely
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 07, 2009, 02:42:59 PM
They are NAIA.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cat_fan_08 on April 07, 2009, 02:55:49 PM
I am a Linfield and northwest conference fan and am interested in finding out what people in the ASC think of northwest conference teams.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 07, 2009, 05:46:32 PM
Quote from: cat_fan_08 on April 07, 2009, 02:55:49 PM
I am a Linfield and northwest conference fan and am interested in finding out what people in the ASC think of northwest conference teams.

I know of the teams by reputation only. Other than in the regional the distance is so far that we really don't see them so I have no real basis of comparison. The only thing you can go on is common opponents and there just isn't alot of cross over play. All I know is that we are likely to only have a 6 team regional and thus the ASC will likely only have one representative out of 13 teams which is what happened last year. The big push is how do we get more teams in and the best solution is to break the conference into two leagues. The West region is georgraphically too spread out - covers almost 1/2 of the country.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 07, 2009, 10:05:21 PM
Quote from: tloc14 on April 07, 2009, 02:27:01 PM
I think TX Wesleyan is DII, so them dropping back down to DIII is very unlikely
Quote from: dp643 on April 07, 2009, 02:42:59 PM
They are NAIA.
It is even more difficult than you think about TWU.

They spent an exploratory year in D-III in the ASC on their way from D-II to NAIA and strongly rejected the D-III experience.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 07, 2009, 10:07:33 PM
McMurry gave Chris Semchenko his 3rd start of the year today against AC as McMurry won 11-3.

Semchenko goes to 2-0 on the season.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 07, 2009, 10:33:18 PM
I was thinking about the claim that Tyler doesn't play a tough schedule.

I will say that coming into this season their schedule looked very tough in the preseason. Two games against Trinity (who made it to the region finals last year), one against CTX, 3 against UMHB, 3 against McMurry, 2 games against HSU, and one vs Marietta.

Last season when the schedules were being formed, you had to assume that being paired against UMHB, and McMurry and filling in with the rest of those that you would think you have a very tough schedule out of conference.

UMHB is leading a midweek game vs Trinity 7-5 as wek speak.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 07, 2009, 10:58:58 PM
Quote from: dp643 on April 07, 2009, 10:33:18 PM
I was thinking about the claim that Tyler doesn't play a tough schedule.

I will say that coming into this season their schedule looked very tough in the preseason. Two games against Trinity (who made it to the region finals last year), one against CTX, 3 against UMHB, 3 against McMurry, 2 games against HSU, and one vs Marietta.

Last season when the schedules were being formed, you had to assume that being paired against UMHB, and McMurry and filling in with the rest of those that you would think you have a very tough schedule out of conference.

UMHB is leading a midweek game vs Trinity 7-5 as wek speak.
I woould like for UT-Tyler to do everything that they could do to help bring quality teams south, as HSU and McMurry have been able to get teams to come to Abilene, and as Trinity and the "southern" Texas D-III's have.

I think that UTT put together a very good schedule.

Even playing the SCAC-West (except Millsaps) schools makes for a good schedule, because those are in-region games!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on April 08, 2009, 01:50:01 AM
Millsaps is considered out of region?  They are from Louisiana right?  Is that a border state when it comes to region lines?

Or are you pointing out that they played many of the western teams in that league except Millsaps?   I am easily confused.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on April 08, 2009, 02:25:20 AM
Millsaps is from Tenn. not Louisiana.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseballfan24 on April 08, 2009, 10:45:30 AM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on April 08, 2009, 02:25:20 AM
Millsaps is from Tenn. not Louisiana.
Quote from: tloc14 on April 08, 2009, 01:50:01 AM
Millsaps is considered out of region?  They are from Louisiana right?  Is that a border state when it comes to region lines?

Or are you pointing out that they played many of the western teams in that league except Millsaps?   I am easily confused.

Actually, Millsaps is located in Jackson, Mississippi.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 08, 2009, 10:56:41 AM
Ralph is the expert on this but Mississipi College is another one that is a tweener. They play are in the ASC which is considered a West Region conference but are phsyically located in the South Region. Thus they are in both regions. That means, I guess they could be ranked in both regions? So when they played Millsaps that was in region for the south region but when they play UTT or UTD that would be considered in region for the west region? Talk about confusing!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseballfan24 on April 08, 2009, 11:03:51 AM
Quote from: cat_fan_08 on April 07, 2009, 02:55:49 PM
I am a Linfield and northwest conference fan and am interested in finding out what people in the ASC think of northwest conference teams.

From what it appears to me, the top three teams in the NWC are as good as any.  That is why they are constanly battling it out to make the regionals.  However, it appears that the rest of the conference other than George Fox, Linfield, and Pac Lutheran is very weak.

This is one difference between the NWC and the ASC.  In the ASC West alone, there are probably 5 teams that can compete for a conference championship even though Concordia is underacheiving this year.  Now throw in UTDallas, UTTyler, and Mississippi College from the East of the ASC, and this makes for a very difficult conference to get out of.

As I understand it, the NWC does not play a conference championship tourney.  You simply have the best record at the end and you win outright.  This is another difference that could be argued either way.

In the ASC a team must first win a best of three crossover series as the first round of the playoffs.  Once they have won that they then go to a 4  team double elimination bracket.  Of course with all the teams being so even it is very difficult to get out of the ASC conference tourney.  So, by the time that an ASC team gets to the regionals they will have already played 2 rounds of playoff action.

So this could be argued that this prepares the team for regionals, or that this wears the team out for regionals.  I don't know which is right.  Where as in the NWC the team simply goes into the regional after they finish their season up.  This could be argued either way as well.  Either the team is not tournament prepared, or they are fresh.

So in conclusion, I personally feel that the ASC teams have a much tougher road to the regionals than teams from the NWC.  My reason being that the teams in the NWC are really only playing 2 big series a year inside of their conference, and that is when the top 3 teams go at it.  But, I cannot say this for sure because I cannot watch those games from here.  In the ASC, especially the West, every weekend series is as important as the previous because the teams are more often than not seperated by one game.

This is just one opinion.
 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 08, 2009, 11:19:35 AM
From the Handbook:
Regional Alignments
Each Division III men's baseball team is assigned to one of eight geographic
"evaluation" regions. The primary criteria used for ranking and selection is based on how a team performs against other Division III "in-region" teams. In addition, results versus Division III opponents within 200 miles or less of a team's campus, but outside its assigned geographic region, will be considered "in-region" and part of the primary selection/ranking criteria. And finally, the championships committee has expanded the definition of an in-region contest to include "all competition within an institutions membership geographical region (Bylaw 4.12.1.1)." The country is divided into four membership regions. For most institutions, the change in definition should result in an expanded list of potential in-region opponents than in the past.

Mississippi College was assigned to the West Region whereas Millsaps was assigned to the South region. You will note the expanded definition: "Results versus versus DIII opponenents within 200 miles or less of a teams campus but outside its assigned georgraphic region witll be considered in region..."

I interpret that to mean that when Millsaps plays MC it is considered "in-region" for both teams but MC would count it as to its record in the West region and Millsaps at to its record in the South Region. (So they are not in both regions.)

Still somewhat confusing since when the powers that be are ranking MC in the West Region it would count the loss against Millsaps as a region loss but would get to consider Millsaps record when determining whether it was a bad loss or not.


At least that is my interpretation. ???
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 08, 2009, 11:30:49 AM
Quote from: TexasBB on April 08, 2009, 11:19:35 AM
From the Handbook:
Regional Alignments
Each Division III men's baseball team is assigned to one of eight geographic
"evaluation" regions. The primary criteria used for ranking and selection is based on how a team performs against other Division III "in-region" teams. In addition, results versus Division III opponents within 200 miles or less of a team's campus, but outside its assigned geographic region, will be considered "in-region" and part of the primary selection/ranking criteria. And finally, the championships committee has expanded the definition of an in-region contest to include "all competition within an institutions membership geographical region (Bylaw 4.12.1.1)." The country is divided into four membership regions. For most institutions, the change in definition should result in an expanded list of potential in-region opponents than in the past.

Mississippi College was assigned to the West Region whereas Millsaps was assigned to the South region. You will note the expanded definition: "Results versus versus DIII opponenents within 200 miles or less of a teams campus but outside its assigned georgraphic region witll be considered in region..."

I interpret that to mean that when Millsaps plays MC it is considered "in-region" for both teams but MC would count it as to its record in the West region and Millsaps at to its record in the South Region. (So they are not in both regions.)

Still somewhat confusing since when the powers that be are ranking MC in the West Region it would count the loss against Millsaps as a region loss but would get to consider Millsaps record when determining whether it was a bad loss or not.


At least that is my interpretation. ???
Yes, Millsaps got 2 in-region wins.  That is good for them.  I think that Millsaps is a Pool C team if they don't win the conference tourney.

The NCAA allows in-region games as defined by these definitions.

1) Evaluation Regions of which Millsaps is South and Mississippi College (and Ozarks and Louisiana College) have appealed to be re-assigned to the West Region.

2) Adminstrative Regions within the NCAA -- see Handbook

3) 200-mile radius.

The NCAA alllows a multi-region conference to appeal for multi-region status so its conference games can count as in-region.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on April 08, 2009, 12:48:23 PM
Oh, i guess i fouled up thinking Millsaps was in La.   :-[

Difficult rulings for teams that border 2 regions.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on April 08, 2009, 01:32:59 PM
Quote from: baseballfan24 on April 08, 2009, 10:45:30 AM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on April 08, 2009, 02:25:20 AM
Millsaps is from Tenn. not Louisiana.
Quote from: tloc14 on April 08, 2009, 01:50:01 AM
Millsaps is considered out of region?  They are from Louisiana right?  Is that a border state when it comes to region lines?

Or are you pointing out that they played many of the western teams in that league except Millsaps?   I am easily confused.

Actually, Millsaps is located in Jackson, Mississippi.

Ummmm yeah, thats what I meant ::)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 08, 2009, 04:09:03 PM
Ralph,

When I went to the main board on this site and a list of teams by Region it is listing MC as being in the West Region as well as Ozarks and LC. But you indicated that in fact they are in the South Region and are appealing. So the website is in error?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 08, 2009, 04:16:21 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on April 08, 2009, 04:09:03 PM
Ralph,

When I went to the main board on this site and a list of teams by Region it is listing MC as being in the West Region as well as Ozarks and LC. But you indicated that in fact they are in the South Region and are appealing. So the website is in error?
My bad!

About 7-8 years ago, they were considered South Region, but they appealed and were moved into the West Region so the ASC would be considered in the same region. (I think that I remember that Handbook being that way!  I have lost the URL to the server that kept the old Handbooks.)

They are in Admin Region #3 so they get to count all of those teams on Admin Region #3 as in-region games.  (Have you noticed that Illinoios Wesleyan (Admin Region #4) plays Miss Coll on its spring trip?  Not an in-region game.  ;)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on April 09, 2009, 02:05:13 AM
A little off topic, but I got the chance to play in Illinois during the summer a while back, and played my summer team's home games at Illinois Wesleyan.  It is a teriffic facility.  If anyone has the chance to make a trip up to Bloomington, IL, they should stop by and take a look at the field.

The only thing that I did not like was that there was a Hospital across the street, I think it was in left-center.  Anyhow, when the sun was right, sunlight hit that pale brick building and lit it up.  Batters found it very difficult to pick up the baseball out of pitchers' hands, especially right handed pitchers.

A little bit of unimportant info pertaining to daytime games at Ill. Wesleyan.    :D
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on April 09, 2009, 01:30:06 PM
I would love to see someone start a big preseason tournament that includes alot of the big boys from around the country.  Every year, we compare teams in our area to teams around the nation, I think this preseason tourney might be a really neat way to get some sort of feel for how all these teams stack up.

Obviously, this is wishful thinking.  After watching the NCAA mens basketball tournament, I thought of this.  In men's D1 basketball, they have a preseason NIT that includes many big names from across the nation.  It would be great if something like this could happen in D3 baseball.  I know the money involved with travel, etc would almost certainly make this impossible, but heres how I would draw it up.

Have a 10-16 team tournament.  Split the brackets in 2 groups of 5 (or 8 ), and have one group play a round-robin in Abeline, while the other group plays a round robin in Tyler.  The top 2 teams after the initial play from each bracket could meet in Dallas and have a double elim tournament.  Could start the play the weekend before spring break, and finish up the tournament the following weekend.  Invite all the big names: Eastern Conn. St, Chapman, Pomona, Millsaps, George Fox, Emory, Marietta, UW Whitewater...

I know this probably would not happen, but how great would it be to have a preseason NIT of sorts for D3 Baseball!?
Sure would be fun.    :)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 09, 2009, 04:11:46 PM
Update on games today...

Schreiner is leading TLU in Seguin 5-1 in the top of the 4th.

McMurry scored 5 in the top of the first against HPU.  The Jackets responded with 7 in the bottom of the inning.  McMurry came back with 4 in the top of the 2nd and then held HPU in the bottom of the inning.  McMurry 9 HPU 7 going to the third in Brownwood.

McM 9 runs, 5 earned on 10 hits and no errors
HPU 7 runs, all earned on 7 hits and one error.


McMurry 11-8 going to the top of the 4th.

Schreinier leads TLU 8-7 one out and Chris Green on first for the Bulldogs in the bottom of the 6th.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 09, 2009, 04:30:40 PM
UMHB up 4-2 over Concordia in the top of the 8th.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 09, 2009, 05:03:54 PM
CTX wins 5-4. No details about the game.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 09, 2009, 05:38:41 PM
TLU 19-8 in the bottom of the 8th

McMurry 17 HPU 9 going to the bottom of the 7th.  Dakota Smith in for Kyle Martin for McMurry.


McMurry is up 26-10 in the top of the 8th!  (Wind?!?!)


Final TLU 19-8


Final McM 26, HPU 10.


According to SRSU Livestats HSU beat Sully 15-6.  the Cowboys hung a 12-spot on the Lobos in the 6th.

Jerry Sotello, the venerable voice of the last frontier, will have the broadcast of the DH tomorrow.

http://www.sulross.edu/pages/4233.asp
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on April 09, 2009, 10:39:34 PM
Looks like the west remains tight with results of todays activities unchanged... What will tomorrow bring? Looks like the number one spot will come down to head to head play next week in Abilene...

I will admit that it was a bit uneasy watching the first few innings in Seguin. I don't recall if Orsey has every given up multiple run homeruns early in a game... very unusual for sure. ShU's starter work well for a while - threw too many breaking balls in the end...

Good to see CTX get on the positive side of the ledger... will they try and sneak in the backdoor while no one's looking???
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 09, 2009, 10:41:09 PM
Was the wind blowing out in Brownwood today?

That is a lot of runs!  36!


Brownwood Bulletin (http://www.brownwoodbulletin.com/articles/2009/04/10/sports/doc49df47a2c7dd5514997500.txt) says the gusts were up to 50 MPH's.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on April 10, 2009, 03:26:12 AM
UT Tyler edged out LC 4-2 in a game where neither team managed an extra base hit.  UTT managed to produce some runs by bunting runners over and driving them in via sac flies and/or singles.  Big win.  Pineville is a difficult place to go play at.


Mississippi College beat Ozarks 8-3 and remains 1 game back in the east.  Bo Bell continues to produce and has 51 RBI on the season.


Things are heating up.  It looks as if MC is really starting to peak at the right time.
Also, it looks like McM is beginning to really pour it on.  They have a very favorable schedule left and could very well push TLU for the #1 seed out of the west.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on April 10, 2009, 08:25:54 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 09, 2009, 10:41:09 PM
Was the wind blowing out in Brownwood today?

That is a lot of runs!  36!

I am sure it was. When I left Abilene at 1 the wind was sustained winds at 42 MPH with gusts to 55. It did not let up all the way to Alpine. Fortunately, it died in Alpine when the sun went down.

This has been by far the windiest spring I have seen in my 10 springs in Abilene.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on April 10, 2009, 08:57:16 AM
Congrats to MC's Bell on National Hitter of the week honors! Seems that he found the same planet that Macklin was on back in early March! It's interesting that Macklin's tear was against MC and yet our second national nod has come from MC.

Will we see 70+ RBI from one or both of these guys before it's all said and done? Macklin is currently at 57.

Congrats to both players for there accomplishments - it's not an easy feat for sure... :)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on April 10, 2009, 01:38:19 PM
I do not know if 70 is reachable in the regular season by either player, but anything could happen i suppose.

Brett Amyx for UTT had 63 RBI back in 2007 then the Patriots went 37-1 on the year but were still probationary and could not make it to the post season.  What is the ASC record for RBI in a season?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 10, 2009, 01:40:06 PM
David to McMurry had over 70 last year and was NCAA III player of the year.

Anyone know if he went on to play pro ball?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 10, 2009, 02:08:08 PM
The record is 73 by David.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: infielddad on April 10, 2009, 02:24:55 PM
Garner Wetzel of Millsaps had 91 RBI's  in 2006.  Now that is a pile of RBI's which reflects he had a lot of good hitters in front of him in the line up.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 10, 2009, 02:31:31 PM
I was referring for to the ASC record, my apologies if there was any confusion.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 10, 2009, 03:53:35 PM
McMurry is tied with HPU 7-7, going to the bottom of the 6th, in Brownwood.


Senior leadership --  Top of the 7th, bases loaded, one out.  Senior SS Nathan Love at bat, and singles!  RBI!  8-7.

Sophomore 2B Brad Baker up with the bases loaded, still.  SAC FLY to RF, 9-7.

Lead-off man, Nathan Salzgaber, RBI Single up the middle to score his brother Derek, 10-7!

McM 10 HPU 7 going to the bottom of the 7th!

(Dontcha just love Livestats!)

Cory Davis came in to relief Cody Curry in the 5th.  He can get the win.

SS Cale Thompson strikes out.
RF Ryan Breeding triples to RF.
LF Will Garlick struck out looking, 2 outs.
3b Dustin Climer RB I single up the middle to score Breeding.  10-8, McM.
Leadoff batter Kyle Lloyd  at the plate. Climer steals second.  Lloyd walks and Climer steals 3B.
CF Jordan Hammontree at bat.  Lloyd "steals" second.  Runners on 2B and 3B; Climer scores on a wild pitch and Lloyd goes to third.  Hammontree walks. 10-9 McM
DH Taylor Zambreski at bat with runners on 1st and 3rd.  Flies out to CF.

McMurry wins 10-9. 

9-inning second game to follow.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: atlas385 on April 10, 2009, 04:20:07 PM
Concordia won 1st game of double header today. Looking for a sweep and some hope for the conference tournament.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 10, 2009, 05:00:13 PM
TLU 13, Schreiner 6 in the first game.


Jerry Sotello has the broadcast on KALP 92.7 FM.  HSU is up 5-2, going to the bottom of the 4th.

HSU won the first game 9-6.


HSU up to 6-2 going to the top of the 6th.  HSU had 2 solo HR's in the 6th.  10-2 Cowboys, going to the bottom of the 6th. 

TLU up 1-0 over Schreiner in the bottom of the 3rd. TLU is up 2-0 in the bottom of the 5th.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: atlas385 on April 10, 2009, 05:28:14 PM
CTX 4 UMHB 2 TOP OF 7TH
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 10, 2009, 06:19:57 PM
HPU 4-2, going to the 5th.

HSU leads 11-2.

TLU is leading Schreiner 5-0 in the bottom of the 6th.


McMurry leads HPU 7-4, top of the 6th.

HSU is beating 18-3 going to the bottom of the 9th, now final HSU 18-3.

TLU scored 6 in the bottom of the 6th to go up 8-0 over the Mountaineers.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: atlas385 on April 10, 2009, 06:30:03 PM
Final score CTX 6 UMHB 4. CTX sweeps. Still in the hunt.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 10, 2009, 06:42:54 PM
Concordia one game back of UMHB with 3 to go and owns the tiebreaker. UMHB has to sweep this weekend to guarantee a playoff spot.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 10, 2009, 06:44:26 PM
I have broken down the season for the ASC.

The top 4 teams in the West, TLU, HSU, McM, and UMHB, went 18-9 versus the ASC East.

They went 11-6 versus the SCAC (i.e., SW, TU and AC) with McMurry versus SW on Apr 21st left.

The bottom 4 teams (Schreiner, CTX, HPU and SRSU) in the West went 12-12 versus the ASC-East.

The bottom 4 went 3-9 versus  SCAC-West (AC, TU and SW).




The top 4 in the ASC-East (UTT, MissColl, UOz and UTD) went vs. 14-16 the West with one game remaining. (UTD vs McM).  go 16-16 with UTD's "Abilene Sweep" on April 13th.

Those same top 4 went 13-4 versus the SCAC (TU,  AC, Hendrix, SW,  Rhodes and Millsaps).

The bottom 3 of the ASC-East went 5-18 versus the West and 0-3 versus the SCAC-West (AC) with one game remaining (ETBU and AC on Apr 21st).


Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on April 10, 2009, 06:45:55 PM
MC completed the sweep of Ozarks today with wins of 11-1 and 7-6, keeping them in the hunt for the #1 seed in the east.

I am still waiting for results between UTT and LC.  LC really needs to update their website, they dont have any real-time game tracker and they do not update very quickly.    :-[
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on April 10, 2009, 06:48:51 PM
Quote from: dp643 on April 10, 2009, 02:08:08 PM
The record is 73 by David.

Does that count post-season?  I know the guy was a monster.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 10, 2009, 06:55:29 PM
Thanks to Jerry Sotello of KALP-FM!  I always enjoy listening to him!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 10, 2009, 09:05:27 PM
The 4 teams in the east are set but the division champion is up in the air and will not be decided until the final week when MC travels to UTT. The UTT v. LC scores from today are still not posted on the LC website but it doesn't really matter. The winner of 2 out of 3 next week will be the east division champion and the looser will be second seed. UTD is third and Ozarks 4th. The west is also up in the air but 3 are in for sure McM, HS and TL any of those 3 could still be tops in the West. The last spot is sill open between MHB, Schriener and Concordia, UMHB has the edge.

So the last week will prove pivital for the seeding. MC is playing really good right now sweeping Ozarks is not easy. They will be tough and could pull it out the last week of the season. In the West McM is on a roll and HSU is playing very well also sot TL is got to be looking over their shoulders.

This is what it is all about the finnal week of the season and things still are up in the air.  You got to love it!! 8)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 10, 2009, 10:11:32 PM
McMurry lost to HPU 8-7 in the third game.

This is the way that it looks to me.

TLU  14-4  goes to HSU.
HSU 13-5
McM 12-6  and hosts SRSU.
MHB 9-9    hosts HPU

The West is determined by the TLU series at HSU.

If TLU sweeps, then they win at 18-4.  HSU would finish in 3rd at 13-8.  McMurry would be the #2 seed if they beat SRSU 2 games to 1.

If TLU wins 2 of 3, then HSU finishes at 14-7.  If they tie with McMurry, then they have the tie-breaker to get the second seed.

If TLU only wins one of three to finish 15-6, then HSU finishes at  15-6 and has the tie-breaker over both TLU and McMurry.  HSU would be the #1 seed.  If McMurry sweeps SRSU, and finishes in a 3-way tie for first, they would have #2 seed, by virtue of going 3-3 vs TLU and HSU.  TLU would be the #3 seed.  If McMurry does not finish in the 3-way tie, then they could be the #4 seed if they finish at 12-9 (losing all three games to SRSU).  (McMurry has the tie-breaker over TLU but not over HSU or UMHB.)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on April 10, 2009, 10:18:44 PM
UT Tyler completed the sweep by beating down LC 12-1 and 27-10 today.  Took forever for either school to post the results.

This improves UT Tyler to 31-6 overall and 13-2 in conference.

The upcoming series with MC will determine the #1 seed in the East.  I give the edge to UTT because it will be played at Irwin Field in Tyler.  MC has been playing its best baseball recently, so things will be interesting.  I see UTT taking 2 of 3 and earning the #1 seed, in a closely contested series.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 10, 2009, 10:29:03 PM
UT-Tyler is 30-7!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on April 10, 2009, 10:58:23 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 10, 2009, 10:29:03 PM
UT-Tyler is 30-7!

Coming from their website, they are 31-6.  Were 27-6 earlier and beat UD, then swept LC 3 games, bringing them to 31-6.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on April 10, 2009, 11:03:20 PM
Wow!!   Just noticed on the MC site that Tyler Seaman threw a no hitter in MC's 11-1 win over Ozarks.   The thing that is EVEN MORE impressive is the fact that it is this kid's 2nd no hitter of the season!!

I was wondering how Ozarks scored, MC committed 3 errors in the first inning, allowing 1 run.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BaseballFreak on April 10, 2009, 11:12:36 PM
31-6 Ralph!

Either way, better than 22-13
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 10, 2009, 11:16:09 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 10, 2009, 10:29:03 PM
UT-Tyler is 30-7!
Quote from: tloc14 on April 10, 2009, 10:58:23 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 10, 2009, 10:29:03 PM
UT-Tyler is 30-7!

Coming from their website, they are 31-6.  Were 27-6 earlier and beat UD, then swept LC 3 games, bringing them to 31-6.

Quote from: BaseballFreak on April 10, 2009, 11:12:36 PM
31-6 Ralph!

Either way, better than 22-13
My bad!   ;)  I mis-counted.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on April 10, 2009, 11:27:21 PM
Quote from: tloc14 on April 10, 2009, 06:48:51 PM
Quote from: dp643 on April 10, 2009, 02:08:08 PM
The record is 73 by David.

Does that count post-season?  I know the guy was a monster.

Just curious, but can anyone (Ralph?) answer the question whether or not post season play factors into the records kept within the ASC? Macklin is currently at 63 RBI and with three games remaining in the regular season, at least three games in post season. He's completely capable for picking up 10 or more with this many games to go. The question is what part of the season actually counts? He just lowered his ERA as well today to 1.77, went 7 strong innings allowing only 2 hits and recording 5 K's. 

He owes a huge thanks for his second baseman Femath. He was a complete vacuum cleaner today. Made at least three unbelieveable plays to help Macklin remain unscored upon in his only two starts thus far this season.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 10, 2009, 11:30:22 PM
I think that they do.

Derek David's 73 RBI's  are thru 48 games.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on April 11, 2009, 04:03:05 AM
Quote from: BaseballFreak on April 10, 2009, 11:12:36 PM
31-6 Ralph!

Either way, better than 22-13

Unless they drop 2 of 3 next weekend....then the 22-13 team is in first (MC) and UTT is in 2nd.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 11, 2009, 08:43:23 AM
Quote from: tloc14 on April 11, 2009, 04:03:05 AM
Quote from: BaseballFreak on April 10, 2009, 11:12:36 PM
31-6 Ralph!

Either way, better than 22-13

Unless they drop 2 of 3 next weekend....then the 22-13 team is in first (MC) and UTT is in 2nd.
+1!  ;)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bziegler19 on April 12, 2009, 06:31:39 PM
haha they said my inside turn was game genie in itself... i like it
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 14, 2009, 05:47:00 PM
UTD 7, at McM 4.

Brad Buchanan gets the win; Colton Smith gets the loss. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 15, 2009, 04:42:02 PM
Ok it is time for sticking my kneck out and make predictions for the final weekend.

In the West I am predicting a 3 way tie for the best record at 15-6.
McM sweeps Sul Ross
HSU takes 2 out of 3 from TLU (like HSU with home cooking)
MHB takes 2 out of 3 from HPU

HSU wins top seed with tie breakers over McM and TLU
McM is second seed with tiebreaker over TLU
TLU third seed
MHB 4th Seed

In the East
UTT takes 2 out of 3 from MC

UTT wins top seed
MC is second seed
UTD is third
Ozarks (bye week) is 4th

I will waite and see how I pan out with my pics before predicting the playoffs.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: royhobbs on April 15, 2009, 05:00:04 PM
TLU is probably the best team in the west, agree with you McM sweeps, UTT is fortunate they are in such a weak division.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 15, 2009, 06:26:50 PM
TLU on paper is perhaps a stronger team than HSU but that home field works to HSU's advantage. McM took 2 out of 3 from TLU at home. HSU took 2 out of 3 from McM at home. HSU has a good record at home and none of the teams have proven to be very good on the road. Thus going with the home field advantage.

The same thing leads me to pick UTT over MC.  MC is playing very well over the last few weeks after starting slow. So they are peaking at the right time but UTT is very tough at home and also has been on a winning streak. They have overall better pitching and defense than MC plus the home field advantage.

Of course they still have to play the games we shall see.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: UP AND IN on April 15, 2009, 07:44:27 PM
TexasBB no worry about the CTX series this weekend? With predicting UMHB taking 2 of 3 from HPU your leaving the door wide open for CTX to sweep and take that last playoff spot.

TLU
MCM-- these three battle for the top... no prediction here
HSU

CTX/UMHB- can ctx sweep schreiner and HPU play spoiler to the Cru's year?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on April 15, 2009, 07:47:59 PM
HSU has a better record on the road 11-6 than at home 12-8 and against ASC teams HSU is 11-4 on the road. I would call that pretty good on the road.

I am super pumped about the weekend series. It will be two pretty good teams going at it with the winner of the series being the No. 1 seed out of the West.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseballfan24 on April 15, 2009, 08:46:33 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on April 15, 2009, 04:42:02 PM
Ok it is time for sticking my kneck out and make predictions for the final weekend.

In the West I am predicting a 3 way tie for the best record at 15-6.
McM sweeps Sul Ross
HSU takes 2 out of 3 from TLU (like HSU with home cooking)
MHB takes 2 out of 3 from HPU

HSU wins top seed with tie breakers over McM and TLU
McM is second seed with tiebreaker over TLU
TLU third seed
MHB 4th Seed

In the East
UTT takes 2 out of 3 from MC

UTT wins top seed
MC is second seed
UTD is third
Ozarks (bye week) is 4th

I will waite and see how I pan out with my pics before predicting the playoffs.


maybe Tyler is so good at home because of their home cooking
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 15, 2009, 09:05:53 PM
Quote from: hsusid on April 15, 2009, 07:47:59 PM
HSU has a better record on the road 11-6 than at home 12-8 and against ASC teams HSU is 11-4 on the road. I would call that pretty good on the road.

I am super pumped about the weekend series. It will be two pretty good teams going at it with the winner of the series being the No. 1 seed out of the West.
Go get 'em Cowboys!  Two out of three!   ;)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 16, 2009, 09:45:30 AM
Quote from: UP AND IN on April 15, 2009, 07:44:27 PM
TexasBB no worry about the CTX series this weekend? With predicting UMHB taking 2 of 3 from HPU your leaving the door wide open for CTX to sweep and take that last playoff spot.

TLU
MCM-- these three battle for the top... no prediction here
HSU

CTX/UMHB- can ctx sweep schreiner and HPU play spoiler to the Cru's year?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 16, 2009, 09:49:21 AM
Up and In,

You are absolutely correct, and CTX is still in the running. I appologoze to all CTX fans for my oversight.  :o

Great weekend of baseball for the final week of the regular season I just hope the weather cooperates.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: royhobbs on April 16, 2009, 10:46:09 AM
Texas BB- How's CTX's pitching compare to UTT's? Hard for me to tell about UTT, only seen them against weaker teams.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 16, 2009, 10:56:03 AM
Looks like once again this year the CTX people go into hibernation until they finally win a series.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 16, 2009, 01:56:43 PM
Quote from: royhobbs on April 16, 2009, 10:46:09 AM
Texas BB- How's CTX's pitching compare to UTT's? Hard for me to tell about UTT, only seen them against weaker teams.

The State rankings from the ASC website going into this weekend for pitching are as follows (top 5):

All Games                          Conference Only
UTT       3.67                      UTT       3.80     
UMHB    4.66                      TLU       3.87
CTX       5.01                      UMHB    3.91
TLU       5.17                       CTX      4.05
MCM     5.66                       UTD      4.26


Much has been said without support that UTT played a weak shcedule. According to Boyds World UTT has the 21st toughest schedule out of over 250 DIII teams here is how the top 5 ranked schools of the ASC are listed.

http://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/isr/d3_isr.html


UTT    Rank 4      SOS 21
HSU   Rank 24    SOS 24
UMHB Rank 30    SOS 19
TLU    Rank 37    SOS 40
McM   Rank 49    SOS 12

UTT won 6 out of 8 from the other top 4 ranked ASC teams (swept 3 form UMHB swept 2 from HSU and lost 2 out of 3 to McM) The also lost to Concordia at the begining of the season but their record against the West is a respectible 6-3.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on April 16, 2009, 02:17:04 PM
At the surface, most expect CTX to sweep Schreiner. However, I'd be careful to count your chickens too early. Ayala isn't a bad pitcher and kept TLU, which most would agree is the best team in the west off balance for 5 innings only allowing 1 run to score. Orosey did struggle early but settled down to keep TLU in it. The final score wouldn't show it, but it was a much closer game than was expected.

There are some good hitter within Schreiner's lineup and they have good speed on the bases and execute the hit and run and sac bunt extermely well. It will not surprise me to see Schreiner take one from CTX and if CTX comes in complacent, they could lose a couple in this series.  I'm not predicting this to happen but it's not a slammed closed case - hence why the game is played  ;)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on April 16, 2009, 02:42:12 PM
Those SOS rankings just validate the ASC is seen as a tougher copnfertence this year than it has been in the past.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 16, 2009, 03:04:46 PM
BigPoppa,

I agree with your assessment that the ASC is finally beiing looked at with favor by coaches and others outside of the the West Region.  Why that it I don't know. Perhaps it has something to do with teams that play in Abeline like last year when Marrietta came away from the spring trip badley bruised. I am not sure why but am gratefull for the recognition. What the ASC badly needs is to convert the recognition into results by getting a team into the final 4, or better yet, actually winning a national championship.

TexasBB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseballfan24 on April 16, 2009, 03:17:22 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on April 16, 2009, 01:56:43 PM
Quote from: royhobbs on April 16, 2009, 10:46:09 AM
Texas BB- How's CTX's pitching compare to UTT's? Hard for me to tell about UTT, only seen them against weaker teams.

The State rankings from the ASC website going into this weekend for pitching are as follows (top 5):

All Games                          Conference Only
UTT       3.67                      UTT       3.80     
UMHB    4.66                      TLU       3.87
CTX       5.01                      UMHB    3.91
TLU       5.17                       CTX      4.05
MCM     5.66                       UTD      4.26


Much has been said without support that UTT played a weak shcedule. According to Boyds World UTT has the 21st toughest schedule out of over 250 DIII teams here is how the top 5 ranked schools of the ASC are listed.

http://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/isr/d3_isr.html


UTT    Rank 4      SOS 21
HSU   Rank 24    SOS 24
UMHB Rank 30    SOS 19
TLU    Rank 37    SOS 40
McM   Rank 49    SOS 12

UTT won 6 out of 8 from the other top 4 ranked ASC teams (swept 3 form UMHB swept 2 from HSU and lost 2 out of 3 to McM) The also lost to Concordia at the begining of the season but their record against the West is a respectible 6-3.

I can't understand why Boyd would have UMHB ahead of TLU or McMurry.  That doesn't make much sense to me.  UMHB played the southwest assemblies of god twice this year.  That team is not very talented.  They have a worse record than both TLU and McMurry, and I don't believe they play a tougher schedule.  I don't know how much stock I put into Boyd's World.  Just my opinion.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on April 16, 2009, 03:32:02 PM
Quote from: baseballfan24 on April 16, 2009, 03:17:22 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on April 16, 2009, 01:56:43 PM
Quote from: royhobbs on April 16, 2009, 10:46:09 AM
Texas BB- How's CTX's pitching compare to UTT's? Hard for me to tell about UTT, only seen them against weaker teams.

The State rankings from the ASC website going into this weekend for pitching are as follows (top 5):

All Games                          Conference Only
UTT       3.67                      UTT       3.80     
UMHB    4.66                      TLU       3.87
CTX       5.01                      UMHB    3.91
TLU       5.17                       CTX      4.05
MCM     5.66                       UTD      4.26


Much has been said without support that UTT played a weak shcedule. According to Boyds World UTT has the 21st toughest schedule out of over 250 DIII teams here is how the top 5 ranked schools of the ASC are listed.

http://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/isr/d3_isr.html


UTT    Rank 4      SOS 21
HSU   Rank 24    SOS 24
UMHB Rank 30    SOS 19
TLU    Rank 37    SOS 40
McM   Rank 49    SOS 12

UTT won 6 out of 8 from the other top 4 ranked ASC teams (swept 3 form UMHB swept 2 from HSU and lost 2 out of 3 to McM) The also lost to Concordia at the begining of the season but their record against the West is a respectible 6-3.

I can't understand why Boyd would have UMHB ahead of TLU or McMurry.  That doesn't make much sense to me.  UMHB played the southwest assemblies of god twice this year.  That team is not very talented.  They have a worse record than both TLU and McMurry, and I don't believe they play a tougher schedule.  I don't know how much stock I put into Boyd's World.  Just my opinion.

Would your assessment of Boyd's be different if your team was rated with a very tough schedule. I often find that those who are not happy where their team falls have a tendency to knock Boyd's. I am not saying it is the case in this situation, just a general observation.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on April 16, 2009, 03:47:25 PM
I would like Boyd's more if it was close to accurate as far as results. For D I I agree it is a great system, but for DIII the scores aren't close to right. It has HSU as 18-6 vs DIII which in actuality, the Cowboys are 23-10.

I don't know the reason for the sudden respect of the league. It has been my general feeling that the league is down a little bit this year, especially with so many good players graduating a year ago.

The league is no where close to the early to middle years of the decade. I do think we are scheduling better as a league though so that may help the national recognition.

I would guess McMurry, HSU, TLU, UMHB, CTX and MC are somehwere in the top third of the country as far as talent. The problem is we play way too many games against good teams. No way to pile up the good records of some of those teams in one or two good team leagues. That is what makes UTT record impressive and it gets them some national respect. It is that way most of the time in the ASC with the middle six or seven having very good, but not great teams.

It is time to get a team back to the World Series. Concordia went the one year and TLU was in the regional final two years in a row. We have to prove it on a regional and then national stage. The teams back East will not give you total respect until then, but those teams with the gaudy records would have similar records if they played in this league. It is that balanced.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on April 16, 2009, 03:50:17 PM
Quote from: hsusid on April 15, 2009, 07:47:59 PM
HSU has a better record on the road 11-6 than at home 12-8 and against ASC teams HSU is 11-4 on the road. I would call that pretty good on the road.

I am super pumped about the weekend series. It will be two pretty good teams going at it with the winner of the series being the No. 1 seed out of the West.

There is no argument that TLU's road record is weak. Frankly, TLU's record on the road could easily be 11-1 versus the 7-5 it is against ASC teams. Four of their five loses were one-run games, which could have gone TLU's way if it wasn't for some untimely miscues – hence why the game is played!

I don't think that anyone will argue that TLU is the best team in the West and I expect that they will prevail in the end this weekend. However, they must take care of business and have the staff to do it. They must execute that's for sure. Several of their early loses occurred while they were trying to find their third weekend starter, which they now have in Macklin.

Macklin hasn't allowed a run to score in conference play and comes in with a conference only ERA of 0.00 allowing only five hits in his last two starts. Overall, he brings in an ERA of 1.77. Expect him to continue to be tough – especially given the importance of this series.

Overall TLU is solid, with many of their players ranked very high nationally. Eight of their nine starter are nationally ranked in at least one category with several ranked in the top twenty-five, some in the top ten! This is a tough squad for sure.

Not to take anything-away form HSU, they have had a good run of late; but I do expect TLU to prevail this weekend – but, given the travel, weather, and field conditions it will make for some good and exciting baseball for sure. Perhaps it will be the best series of the season within the ASC in my opinion; UTT vs MC notwithstanding!   
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 16, 2009, 04:48:54 PM
Like I have said before, the Concordia fans will come out of the woodwork when they win a series.

If you had been paying attention all year baseballfan, you would have noticed that UMHB beat both HSU and McMurry 2 out of 3 earlier in conference play.

Now I know they got swept this past weekend by your beloved CTX team, but that shouldnt take away from what they have accomplished this year. Should they be ranked 30? Probably not. But that doesnt mean that they have played a soft schedule, or shouldnt be given any credit this year.

They have played very well in my opinion for a young team. They have dealt played a majority of the schedule this year with 5 freshman in the starting lineup, hence the inconsistency at times. I would be much more alarmed if they were playing this inconsistent with a team loaded up with Juniors and Seniors like some other teams in this conference that have struggled this year.

This is all just my opinion of course.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on April 16, 2009, 04:53:29 PM
Is it Friday yet?

I have a ton of respect for TLU and their program. They do it the right way and it started with Coach Miller and Coach Burnett has carried it on. They play hard every pitch and don't give in.

It is not like the Cowboys offensive numbers are chopped liver. They are second in the nation in home runs, 11th in runs scored, 12th in hits, and 23rd in slugging.  

And I agree that if you look at HSU's overall numbers on the mound they are not that impressive, but if you look at HSU's ERAs in the eight weekend series against ASC teams (six ASC West and two crossover series) they are just as good as anyone else's. Barton 8-0 with a 4.17, Kriegel 6-1 with a 3.25 and Walker 4-1 with a 4.38.

The team ERA is 5.19 in those games and the record is 19-5. I have seen almost every game this season and it is a much different team on the weekends, especially the mound.

I am sure Macklin is a good arm (and obviously he can hit), no offense to Schreiner and Sul Ross State, BUT he is not playing two of the weaker offensive teams in the league.

Every Cowboy starter is ranked in the national rankings this week in some category as well. They rank 500 players.

HSU has a player in the top 10 in seven different categories, including runs, hits, triples and home runs. I would say that is an OK lineup as well.  

HSU has been solid all year, not spectacular but solid and especially on the weekends, when the last time I checked is when this is being played. Weather will not be an issue as a matter of fact, Saturday is supposed to be beautiful with very little wind (we haven't had many days with little wind from some direction all year).

Just sticking up for my boys - I honestly think it will be a great series as well.



Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseballfan24 on April 16, 2009, 07:09:26 PM
Quote from: dp643 on April 16, 2009, 04:48:54 PM
Like I have said before, the Concordia fans will come out of the woodwork when they win a series.

If you had been paying attention all year baseballfan, you would have noticed that UMHB beat both HSU and McMurry 2 out of 3 earlier in conference play.

Now I know they got swept this past weekend by your beloved CTX team, but that shouldnt take away from what they have accomplished this year. Should they be ranked 30? Probably not. But that doesnt mean that they have played a soft schedule, or shouldnt be given any credit this year.

They have played very well in my opinion for a young team. They have dealt played a majority of the schedule this year with 5 freshman in the starting lineup, hence the inconsistency at times. I would be much more alarmed if they were playing this inconsistent with a team loaded up with Juniors and Seniors like some other teams in this conference that have struggled this year.

This is all just my opinion of course.

Like you said before, the Concordia fans will come out after one good weekend.  I could not agree with you more, but I am not one of those fans.  I don't cheer for Concordia, I am just a bystander, and a fan of baseball.  I try to remain completely objective in commenting on teams.

In my opinion, I do not think UMHB is accurately ranked.  They are 19-15.  I made no comment on their players or their experience, only on the fact that their record is not as good as the teams ahead of them. 

Perhaps I wasn't completely clear in my previous post.  I do not think that The Southwest Assemblies of God is a talented team.  Playing them twice is the same as playing Castleton State.  I think UMHB has plenty of talent. And they are a young team.  They can hit and pitch pretty well, and play solid defense at times.  There is nothing wrong with UMHB, and I have no personal bias against them.  I simply do not think that they are accurately ranked according to Boyd.

Sorry for your confusion.  I will certainly be sure to better attention to what I write so that you do not get confused as to who is cheering for who.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: UP AND IN on April 16, 2009, 08:21:54 PM
Quote from: dp643 on April 16, 2009, 04:48:54 PM
Like I have said before, the Concordia fans will come out of the woodwork when they win a series.

If you had been paying attention all year baseballfan, you would have noticed that UMHB beat both HSU and McMurry 2 out of 3 earlier in conference play.

Now I know they got swept this past weekend by your beloved CTX team, but that shouldnt take away from what they have accomplished this year. Should they be ranked 30? Probably not. But that doesnt mean that they have played a soft schedule, or shouldnt be given any credit this year.

They have played very well in my opinion for a young team. They have dealt played a majority of the schedule this year with 5 freshman in the starting lineup, hence the inconsistency at times. I would be much more alarmed if they were playing this inconsistent with a team loaded up with Juniors and Seniors like some other teams in this conference that have struggled this year.

This is all just my opinion of course.

man must be a hard luck UMHB fan... but sorry to burst your bubble about coming out of the woodwork. I said nothing about the games or anything involved with them, but rather only commented that even with their lack of wins in confernece this year, things could pan out where they still make the playoffs. That's all. Nothing about either team or anything associated with the series. Sorry your so angry still...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 16, 2009, 09:12:31 PM
Quote from: UP AND IN on April 16, 2009, 08:21:54 PM
man must be a hard luck UMHB fan... but sorry to burst your bubble about coming out of the woodwork. I said nothing about the games or anything involved with them, but rather only commented that even with their lack of wins in confernece this year, things could pan out where they still make the playoffs. That's all. Nothing about either team or anything associated with the series. Sorry your so angry still...

Brian,

What's the story, are you coming off of an injury? You were an integral part of the offense last year, but don't have that many ABs this year. Best of luck to your Tornadoes and all the ASC schools this weekend.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 16, 2009, 10:23:27 PM
Quote from: baseballfan24 on April 16, 2009, 07:09:26 PM
Quote from: dp643 on April 16, 2009, 04:48:54 PM
Like I have said before, the Concordia fans will come out of the woodwork when they win a series.

If you had been paying attention all year baseballfan, you would have noticed that UMHB beat both HSU and McMurry 2 out of 3 earlier in conference play.

Now I know they got swept this past weekend by your beloved CTX team, but that shouldnt take away from what they have accomplished this year. Should they be ranked 30? Probably not. But that doesnt mean that they have played a soft schedule, or shouldnt be given any credit this year.

They have played very well in my opinion for a young team. They have dealt played a majority of the schedule this year with 5 freshman in the starting lineup, hence the inconsistency at times. I would be much more alarmed if they were playing this inconsistent with a team loaded up with Juniors and Seniors like some other teams in this conference that have struggled this year.

This is all just my opinion of course.

Like you said before, the Concordia fans will come out after one good weekend.  I could not agree with you more, but I am not one of those fans.  I don't cheer for Concordia, I am just a bystander, and a fan of baseball.  I try to remain completely objective in commenting on teams.

In my opinion, I do not think UMHB is accurately ranked.  They are 19-15.  I made no comment on their players or their experience, only on the fact that their record is not as good as the teams ahead of them. 

Perhaps I wasn't completely clear in my previous post.  I do not think that The Southwest Assemblies of God is a talented team.  Playing them twice is the same as playing Castleton State.  I think UMHB has plenty of talent. And they are a young team.  They can hit and pitch pretty well, and play solid defense at times.  There is nothing wrong with UMHB, and I have no personal bias against them.  I simply do not think that they are accurately ranked according to Boyd.

Sorry for your confusion.  I will certainly be sure to better attention to what I write so that you do not get confused as to who is cheering for who.

Can we stop speaking out of our rear end? I completely agree with you that they shouldnt be ranked 30th in the country. But basing their whole strength of schedule with ONE game against SWAG (yes they only played once, and you would know that if you actually just looked at the schedule) is a little bit silly. Have they played the hardest schedule in the ASC? Probably not, but they have played a respectable one.

I get real aggravated with people who cast judgement on anyone who does an across the board rankings in D-3. It is impossible to judge all the teams when you barely see any of them play.

And Wernecke, you have come out of the woodwork. Your team sure does miss you in the lineup this year.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 16, 2009, 10:25:56 PM
And on a side note, it is good to finally see some action on this board. Good luck to everyone this weekend.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 16, 2009, 10:35:46 PM
My comment on the UMHB SWAG game is that it was originally scheduled as a mid-week game in early February.  Who else are you likely to find to play that game?  I expect this board to recognize the complexities that we face in scheduling games in this part of the country with respect to class time, budget teams available, etc.  The UMHB coach probably saw the chance to work on things in that 2.5% of the season that would help the team later on in the season.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 16, 2009, 11:09:28 PM
Ralph,

I was not commenting on your remarks about UMHB and SWAGU.

Scheduling is complicated because you are so limited on who is available to play. You can't schedule Southwestern and Trinity for every game. In the same token, not every program has the luxury of traveling to California. I think UMHB does as good as they can with what is between their means in scheduling.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 16, 2009, 11:25:23 PM
Quote from: dp643 on April 16, 2009, 11:09:28 PM
Ralph,

I was not commenting on your remarks about UMHB and SWAGU.

Scheduling is complicated because you are so limited on who is available to play. You can't schedule Southwestern and Trinity for every game. In the same token, not every program has the luxury of traveling to California. I think UMHB does as good as they can with what is between their means in scheduling.
dp643, I was actually thinking about baseball fan's comment.

As for UMHB's schedule, they may made the effort to play Methodist U. in Abilene.   :)

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: UP AND IN on April 17, 2009, 01:23:05 AM
Alright well I guess we are out of the woodwork then...
I don't know anything about this Boyd's ranking thing, but I know that if it's on a national level then the west and the ASC should be proud to have teams ranked pretty high... We all know only the ASC champion will make a regional that's in Oregon this year unless maybe tyler sweeps MC and loses 2 in the championship at the Tourney...

Injuries and unforeseen personal issues, but thanks for asking

I'm really looking forward to see how this weekend turns out, since Tyler entred the conference nobody has had this much of a shot to take the conference from them and once again the top of the West is all jumbled up. Should be and interesting weekend with some nasty weather mixed in possibly!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 17, 2009, 10:06:45 AM
Tough break, are you going to get a medical redshirt?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 17, 2009, 12:35:35 PM
Made my day!! ;D



Yanks open new stadium with humiliating 10-2 loss
Published - Apr 16 2009 07:04PM CST

By RONALD BLUM - AP Baseball Writer

The Yankees opened baseball's fanciest and priciest ballpark Thursday with a performance that would have embarrassed Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig and other stars from their famous pinstriped past. After an 85-year run in a stadium that produced 26 World Series titles, New York saw its hitters fizzle and its bullpen come apart on a sunny afternoon in a 10-2 loss to the Cleveland Indians.

Jhonny Peralta broke a seventh-inning tie with a two-run double off Jose Veras, and Grady Sizemore hit a grand slam into the right-field seats off Damaso Marte.

"To come in here and do what we did is something we'll always remember," Sizemore said.

By the time Victor Martinez's solo homer capped the nine-run burst, just as the shadow of the famous frieze was about to creep past home plate, angry fans who paid up to $2,625 list per ticket taunted the Yankees with chants of, "We want Swisher!"

That was a reference to the Yankees right fielder who pitched during a blowout loss at Tampa Bay earlier in the week.

"It felt like we disappointed quite a few people today," Johnny Damon said.

On April 18, 1923, Ruth homered as New York opened the original Yankee Stadium with a 4-1 win over the Boston Red Sox, and the ballpark quickly was dubbed "The House that Ruth Built."

The opening of the new $1.5 billion house for baseball's most storied team wound up being much less memorable. Yankees batters stranded 10 runners in the first five innings, going 0-for-7 with runners in scoring position. The primary cheers were for Jorge Posada, who hit the first home run in the ballpark's history, a fifth-inning drive off Cliff Lee that that landed in Monument Park behind center field.

"I'm going to remember the home run, no question about it, but right now it's a little disappointing," Posada said.

CC Sabathia, pitching in pinstripes for the first time since signing a $161 million, seven-year contract, allowed an RBI double to Kelly Shoppach in the fourth. But he left after 122 pitches and 5 2-3 innings in his first start against his former team.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on April 17, 2009, 04:09:51 PM
Out of the woodwork? ha is this guy serious. Im not sure if we live our life off a message board as you. Keep the real baseball talk coming. There have been some really good posts on here.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 17, 2009, 09:16:57 PM
No surprise UTT and MC postponed tonight will resume Sat with double header and single 9 inning game on Sunday.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 17, 2009, 09:22:29 PM
UMHB and HPU series pushed back a day.

TLU is hammering HSU in first game 12-4 in the 4th
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 17, 2009, 09:29:39 PM
Sully leads McM 1-0 in the top of the 7th with runners on 1st and 2nd iwth one out.

Garza from Sul Ross has pitched a beautiful 3-hitter.

I like how quickly the SRSU batters get into the batter's box.  They seem to play at a faster pace.

Sully 2-0 on an RBI single by Arrieta.  Going to the bottom of the 7th.


Sully up 3-0, 2 of the runs are unearned!
McMurry bats in the bottom of the 8th.

Final score Sul Ross 5 McM 2.  Lucas Garza gets the complete game win on 139 pitches. 

McMurry is dangerously close to buying a bus ride to Mississippi College.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on April 18, 2009, 08:31:22 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 17, 2009, 09:29:39 PM
Sully leads McM 1-0 in the top of the 7th with runners on 1st and 2nd iwth one out.

Garza from Sul Ross has pitched a beautiful 3-hitter.

I like how quickly the SRSU batters get into the batter's box.  They seem to play at a faster pace.

Sully 2-0 on an RBI single by Arrieta.  Going to the bottom of the 7th.


Sully up 3-0, 2 of the runs are unearned!
McMurry bats in the bottom of the 8th.

Final score Sul Ross 5 McM 2.  Lucas Garza gets the complete game win on 139 pitches. 

McMurry is dangerously close to buying a bus ride to Mississippi College.

Ralph,

Given what happened during this game, is it too early to say where McM is headed? Given the way MC has been playing of late, it is very possible that McM may not have to leave the state for the first round!

Thanks to Sul Ross - TLU is breathing a bit easier this morning ;)  We still have two games to go and the way we're hitting right now, it's going to be interesting. Good pitching matchups today.

Will it come down to small ball or will long ball prevail?

Exciting all around - why we play the game!!

Good luck to day against those nasty lobos ;D
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 18, 2009, 09:59:01 AM
Pitcher Lucas Garza was on his game yesterday for the Lobos. 

McMurry starter Kyle Martin went a strong 7.1 innings, giving up 1 earned run.  The unearned runs came in the 5th and 8th innings. The Lobos got a 2-run HR in the 9th.  Without the errors, Martin might have lasted the complete game.  He definitely got no run support.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 18, 2009, 03:13:00 PM
Rained in east Texas today so the UTT and MC series is pushed back with a double header scheduled for Sunday starting at 2 and single game on Monday.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 18, 2009, 05:22:35 PM
The wind is blowing in and then blowing out at Driggers Field today.

A random question of profound insignificance....

if that sportswriter who coined the term "southpaw" had been reporting on a game at Hunter Field, would we now refer to left-handed pitchers as "northpaws"?   ;D
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 18, 2009, 06:57:40 PM
Macklin was stellar in a 4-1 TLU victory and they clinch the #1 spot in the West after falling 8-2 in the first game of the double-header.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 18, 2009, 07:03:41 PM
McMurry swept the DH today.  Failure to sweep either the HPU or the SRSU series put them in third. FFaiulre to sweep both knocked them out of the #1 seed.

That is a testament to how close the ASC-West is.

Both UMHB-HPU and CTX-SU series are pushed to Sunday/Monday.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on April 18, 2009, 10:50:06 PM
Fun series this weekend. TLU executed when they had two. Barton was great in the first game today and Macklin was equally as good in game two. TLU played small ball and got the big plays necessary to score runs in the third game. The ASC Tournament should be a lot of fun, and this coming weekend may be the best of the two weekends. There are some really good matchups.

TLU vs. Ozarks
HSU vs. UTD
McMurry at UTT or MC
Concordia or UMHB at UTT or MC

I would not want to face Concordia's two pitchers in a best of three.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on April 18, 2009, 11:00:09 PM
Hopefully, the MC-UTT series will finally get underway tomorrow. Should be fun to watch.

Here is a interesting preview from the Tyler Morning Telegraph on the series and Paige Hodges switch from MC to UT-Tyler.
http://www.tylerpaper.com/article/20090418/SPORTS06/904180318/-1/SPORTS
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 19, 2009, 03:44:24 PM
UTT 5-0 in the bottom on the 2nd.  Patriots have jumped on the Choctaws' Seaman.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 19, 2009, 05:16:44 PM
Patriots up 14-3 in the bottom of the 6th.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 19, 2009, 05:21:42 PM
Holland worked 6 innings for the Patriots striking out 11 and walking only 2. The wind is blowing in Tyler there were a total of 6 home runs. Two by the Choctaws and 4 by the Patriots. Josh Long came in to pitch the 7th. UTT had 16 hits in the first game.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 19, 2009, 05:29:47 PM
UMHB beats HPU 7-1 in the first game today.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 19, 2009, 05:40:37 PM
UMHB is up 5-0 on HPU in the 3rd inning of the nightcap.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 19, 2009, 05:41:39 PM
Quote from: hsusid on April 18, 2009, 10:50:06 PM
I would not want to face Concordia's two pitchers in a best of three.

Maybe not those two pitchers (and Whiteley's no slouch either), but I bet you'd like to see their hitters (other than Williams). Great staff this year, but the hitting just hasn't been there. Speaking of which, when was the last time someone other that Tyler had 2 starters with a K/9 over 10? Honest question.

I've been working on the numbers for this season. Maybe I'll stick some up after I can get the numbers from this week put into the spreadsheet.

Oh, I'd like everyone's input on an idea I had (but haven't had time to calculate for everyone yet). I don't like how pitchers are awarded wins and losses, but since it's so ingrained into baseball culture I figured I'd take a stab at finding a better way to do it. So, here it is.

Divide a pitcher's total innings pitched by the team's average game length in innings to get the pitcher's "effective games pitched." Use the league-average rate of scoring per inning to calculate how much run support the pitcher "should" have gotten in his innings pitched. Use that and the pitcher's actual runs allowed (or earned runs allowed, if one prefers) in the formula for pythagorean winning percentage. Use the winning percentage thus obtained to calculate how many of the effective games the pitcher should have won, if the lineup behind him was league average. The result is a won-loss record that is independent of the run support a pitcher gets AND that divides credit for wins/losses evenly across a pitching staff, based on how many of the team's innings everyone pitched.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 19, 2009, 06:27:49 PM
Any word on ctx schreiner today?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 19, 2009, 06:43:41 PM
Just checked the conference site. It shows a pair of wins for CTX (11-4, 6-0). That puts CTX at 11-10 on the year...so if I'm thinking right they need UMHB to be swept to make the tourney...but I might not be thinking right. :P
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 19, 2009, 08:12:43 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on April 19, 2009, 05:41:39 PM
Speaking of which, when was the last time someone other that Tyler had 2 starters with a K/9 over 10? Honest question.

Not in the ASC, but without going back to look at it I'd be willing to bet that Bronson/Oates were pretty close last year.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 19, 2009, 09:01:29 PM
MC is ahead 10-8 going to the bottom of the 8th.  UTT's bullpen could not hold a 4-1 lead in the 5th. They have used Rozell and Wolf neither were effective.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 19, 2009, 09:19:45 PM
Patriots get one back in the bottom of the 8th on 4 walks. They had the bases loaded with one out but could not score another run. MC up by one 10-9 going into the 9th.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on April 19, 2009, 09:58:26 PM
MC wins game 2 by a score of 12-9.  Seemed like Tyler's pitchers simply didnt have it in the 2nd game.

Tomorrow's game is for all the marbles!!!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on April 19, 2009, 10:22:46 PM
Quote from: dp643 on April 19, 2009, 06:27:49 PM
Any word on ctx schreiner today?

CTX sweeps Schreiner. UMHB must win tomorrow to play again next week. UMHB loses and CTX becomes the fourth seed in the West.

Also with MC taking one form UTT in the nightcap, tomorrow will be a telling day in the ASC... Imagine a CTX UTT matchup in the first round...

Does anyone know who was on the bump for UTT in the nightcap today? I assume that Booher has the third game?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on April 19, 2009, 10:49:45 PM
Booher started, but it looked like everyone on the staff threw some tonight.

From the looks of it, none of the pitchers could do much.  I have no idea who is going to start tomorrows game.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 20, 2009, 01:28:05 AM
Let's see if HPU can "cockroach" UMHB's season.

HPU knocked McMurry out of the #2 seed last week (if they want to take credit for it).

(To remember Darrell Royal's quote after TCU upset #1 Texas in 1961 by a 6-0 score, Cockroaches...it's not how much they eat.  It's what they fall into and mess up.)   ;)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on April 20, 2009, 02:06:49 AM
Im not sure what the weather conditions were like in Tyler this last night, but Irwin field seemed to be a hitters paradise.

In game 2 alone, MC plated 12 runs on 17 hits, and they stranded another 12 runners.  UTT scored 9 runs on 14 hits, and stranded another 9 runners.  This is not typical of Tyler's staff this season.  Booher started, then Wolfe, Rozelle, Zeigler, and Alvarado each saw some action.  None of them did all that great.

Since Holland and Booher are both gone for tomorrows game and both Wolfe and Rozelle saw mound time tonight, I have no idea who will get the start for the Patriots.  I guess it will have to be a gut decision.

I have a feeling that tomorrows game might be wild, like the night capper tonight.  MC is not going to give up on home field advantage and the #1 seed, and you can bet that the Patriots are going to throw everything they can out there in an effort to lock up #1.

This series has turned very interesting, and has made the East race a very good one.  All the way down to the wire.   :)
All I can hope is that these 2 teams dont beat each other up so much that they have let-downs against whomever they host in the first round of the conference tourney.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on April 20, 2009, 08:59:04 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 20, 2009, 01:28:05 AM
Let's see if HPU can "cockroach" UMHB's season.

HPU knocked McMurry out of the #2 seed last week (if they want to take credit for it).

(To remember Darrell Royal's quote after TCU upset #1 Texas in 1961 by a 6-0 score, Cockroaches...it's not how much they eat.  It's what they fall into and mess up.)   ;)

Ralph,

Could Sul Ross also be identified with this same monocure? Didn't they keep McM from finishing in second in the West?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 20, 2009, 11:09:24 AM
Quote from: Dawgsdad on April 20, 2009, 08:59:04 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 20, 2009, 01:28:05 AM
Let's see if HPU can "cockroach" UMHB's season.

HPU knocked McMurry out of the #2 seed last week (if they want to take credit for it).

(To remember Darrell Royal's quote after TCU upset #1 Texas in 1961 by a 6-0 score, Cockroaches...it's not how much they eat.  It's what they fall into and mess up.)   ;)

Ralph,

Could Sul Ross also be identified with this same monocure? Didn't they keep McM from finishing in second in the West?
Probably can!   ;)

In some cases, "cockroach" might be considered "pejorative" or "belittling", but IMHO, Darrell Royal has given that concept a special connotation that speaks to the pride that every athlete understands.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: atlas385 on April 20, 2009, 12:36:51 PM
I think a CTX-UTT matchup would be a great series. Personnel wise they match up with UTT.CTX has done well against UTT in past games and their pitching has been strong this past 2 series. CTX has a lot of momentum going for them, but of course all this will be moot if UMHB wins today.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on April 20, 2009, 01:21:00 PM
Quote from: atlas385 on April 20, 2009, 12:36:51 PM
I think a CTX-UTT matchup would be a great series. Personnel wise they match up with UTT.CTX has done well against UTT in past games and their pitching has been strong this past 2 series. CTX has a lot of momentum going for them, but of course all this will be moot if UMHB wins today.

CTX is the one team UTT absolutely does not want to face in the first round.  For one reason or another CTX has had enough success vs UTT that they will have alot of confidence against the Patriots.  I might be wrong, but I think Concordia is the only team in the ASC that UTT does not have a winning record against.....McM might be in the same category, but I would have to go back and double check those numbers.

A UTT 1 vs CTX 4 wont happen if Mississippi College wins today however.  This entire season has been played with the general assumption that UTT will be hosting the 2nd round of the conference tourney.  What a strange and sudden change it will be if the tourney goes to Clinton, MS instead.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: atlas385 on April 20, 2009, 01:53:35 PM
CTX has a 6-3 record against UTT. I know there is still a couple of games left to be played but who do you think will have the most trouble w/ the lower seeds going into the tournament?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 20, 2009, 02:22:39 PM
UTT had the game last night but their offense could not score when they needed to and their normally great defense let them down.

In the bottom of the 8th they had scored a run with just one out and had Joe Towns at bat with the bases loaded. He ran the count to full and then looked at a called 3rd strike on the outside corner. Chad Deleilden then grounded out to end the threat. A base hit in this situation would have given the Patriots the lead going into the 9th.  In the 9th the Patriots stuck with Joe Alvedo for the first batter who got a single. They then brought in Zielgler who retired the next batter on a force play at second. The next batter hit a taylor made double play ground ball to short but inexplicably the Pats 2nd baseman took his eye off the ball and missed a perfect throw (probably getting the cart before the horse) allowing it to go into right field and instead of double play the runners were both safe and advanced to second and third. Ziegler walked the next batter setting up a force at the plate but the next hitter got a base hit and the nails went into the coffin sealing the Patriots fate. 

The Patriots gambled using their whole staff trying to clinch the 2nd game and it did not work. So they will not have a completely fresh arm to start today unless they go with Cambpell. Rozell threw less than Wolfe but was also less effective yesterday. The wind was blowing out at 20 mph and I am sure that is why pitchers struggled but MC came on strong late in the game and scored in every inning after the 5th irrespective of who the Patriots had on the mound.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on April 20, 2009, 03:24:46 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 20, 2009, 11:09:24 AM
(To remember Darrell Royal's quote after TCU upset #1 Texas in 1961 by a 6-0 score, Cockroaches...it's not how much they eat.  It's what they fall into and mess up.)   ;)

Ralph, I was in the stands in Austin for that debacle (my first year in grad school at UT).
The Horned Frogs scored on a flea-flicker: QB "Sonny" Gibbs pitched to a running back who then pitched back to Gibbs for a TD pass downfield. I couldn't believe what I saw and apparently neither could the Texas defenders ....
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: atlas385 on April 20, 2009, 04:37:32 PM
UMHB 4 HPU 8 TOP OF 4TH
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 20, 2009, 05:17:36 PM
UMHB HPU tied at 8 in the bottom of the 5th.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on April 20, 2009, 05:34:38 PM
MC up 3-0 in top of second over UTT.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on April 20, 2009, 05:51:42 PM
Top of 7th. UMHB up 12-8.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on April 20, 2009, 06:23:48 PM
UMHB is pulling away... top of 8th (1 out) UMHB 17 HPU 8
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on April 20, 2009, 06:57:32 PM
It's final in Belton - UMHB 17 HPU 10. UMHB moves on as the 4 seed in the West.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on April 20, 2009, 07:00:41 PM
MC 10 UTT 4 Top of the 6th with one out. Herrin homered adding two more runs... Errors are plaquing UTT..
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 20, 2009, 08:04:07 PM
UTT's Zeigler has pitched out of jams in the 7th and 8th.

In the 7th, bases loaded and 1 out.

In the 8th, runners on 2nd and 3rd and 1 out and then bases loaded and 2 outs.

UTT batting in the bottom of the 8th, trailing 11-6.  3B Hodges is hitting out of the 7-hole.

Hodges singles, Skeen doubles. no outs.

Denson in for Craven (the Choctaw starter).
Newell out 5-6
Fox RBI grounder 6-3, scoring Hodges.
Harding flies out to RF.  Mississippi College leads 11-7 after 8.


Ziegler retires MissColl 1-2-3 in the top of the 9th.  11-7 Choctaws going to the bottom of the 9th.

Lemire, Towns and Delaiden up for UTT.

Lemire grounds out.
Towns singles
Delaiden HBP

Reed Prewitt relieves Denson for MC.

DH Jared Hood batting, one out and runners on 1st and 2nd, 5-4-3 DP, game over.

Choctaws win 11-7 and clinch the #1 seed.

IN turn, when McMurry gets halfway to Mississippi College, they can turn right and go on into Tyler for the first round series.

You have to beat the best anyway.  ;)


Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 20, 2009, 08:39:36 PM
UTT had huge letdowns from Rozell and Wolfe in the 3 game series. Unusual that both of those pitchers were not effective at the same time.  Bad timing for UTT to have that happen. Have to hand it to MC they were swining the bats and played with great confidence. The Patriots scored enough runs to win both games but poor pitching from the above two along with some untimely errors in both games were killers. Alot of second guessing will go on now as to who they will use as the 3rd starter against McM.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on April 20, 2009, 08:55:14 PM
So what are the match-ups in the ASC Tourney?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on April 20, 2009, 08:59:50 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on April 20, 2009, 08:55:14 PM
So what are the match-ups in the ASC Tourney?

Here is a link to the match ups - no commentary (yet)...

http://www.ascsports.org/News/baseball/2009/4/20/ASC_BASEBALLTOURNAMENT09.asp?path=baseball
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on April 20, 2009, 09:07:39 PM
Thank you much, sir.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on April 21, 2009, 03:21:59 AM
Great weekend for MC. I'm pretty sure UT-Tyler had gone 65-2 in their last 67 home games until losing 2 of 3 to the Choctaws this weekend.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 21, 2009, 10:57:10 AM
Looks like the CTX UT Tyler first round matchup talks got a little premature. Congrats to Mississippi College and Texas Lutheran for winning the East and West.

There are going to be some awesome first round matchups.

Any predictions?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on April 21, 2009, 10:59:40 AM
Does UTT not winning its half of the ASC change its Pool C chances should they not win the tourney?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 21, 2009, 11:13:32 AM
I think UTT can still make a Pool C bid but they must beat McM and make it to the finals of the ASC tournament. They can loose in the finals but must at least make it there, anyhting short and they are out IMO.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 21, 2009, 11:36:53 AM
Let's see where UTT is when the Regional Rankings come out.

I think that Texas BB is right about how close to the bubble that they are.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on April 21, 2009, 03:16:06 PM
I honestly feel that UTT has no shot at a pool C bid now unless they reach the championship game of the tourney.

If they had won 2 of 3 this weekend, it would be a different story.  Given UTT's lack of post season heritage to fall back on, they must prove to the voters that they deserve to make it to the Regional playoffs.  Losing 2 of  3 this weekend and also losing the #1 seed in the East and tournament home field advantage (in round 2 assuming all the top seeds win) does not help to prove their post season worthiness.

Hopefully, this last weekend was a hiccup and a wake up call.  Otherwise, this last weekend could very possibly ruin what was a great season for the Patriots.

Also, did anyone find it ironic that the Patriots played their last regular season game on Patriots Day??  I thought it might be a sign.....oh well, guess not.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on April 22, 2009, 04:59:08 PM
Okay, at the risk of potential fall out among such a tough and knowledge crowd, I put forth my thoughts on the upcoming ASC first round.

UT-D (25-15) @ HSU (42-16)

UT-D      HSU
.334   BA   .321
.558   Slug   .525
.426   OBP   .393
6.43   ERA   6.95
.311   OBA   .317

Only one meeting between these two teams prior to this upcoming match up, HSU took that meeting 4-3.  HSU's barton and Kriegel seem to have the tools to prevail if only two games are needed. However, given the balance in this match – I'd call it a toss, UT-D has slight edge.

MCM (24-15) @ UTT (32-8)

MCM      UTT
.351   BA   .348
.562   Slug   .558
.415   OBP   .429
5.50   ERA   3.96
.295   OBA   .261

MCM has already taken two of three from UTT at UTT and one of these two loses was against Holland. This experience in my opinion gives MCM the edge in this match up and I choose MCM to prevail. Holland and Booher will need to be stellar for UTT to get past MCM. MCM can't afford any let down or they can call it a season.

UMHB (22-15) @ MC (23-14)

UMHB   MC
.327   BA   .328
.468   Slug   .468
.419   OBP   .424
4.66   ERA   6.36
.282   OBA   .292

This match up is another toss up. MC is on a high right now after beating UTT at their house. Seaman has thrown two no-no's but got roughed up by UTT. Hopper and Garza will have to be stellar or have both run and arm support from the pen. My call is UMHB will prevail – but this one will be close...

Ozarks (17-22) @ TLU (28-12)
UO      TLU
.287   BA   .329
.444   Slug   .528
.396   OBP   .417
7.20   ERA   5.23
.317   OBA   .284

TLU has the edge in offense and pitching. Although not shown in the other match ups these two teams fielding percentage are nearly identical (.960/.961) and are ranked 3/2 in conference. Given that this game will be played at home for TLU and the potent offense that TLU has along with their proven starters, I pick TLU to prevail (not trying to be a homer). Pitching and defense needs to be solid for TLU or UO may make it a long series.   
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: royhobbs on April 22, 2009, 05:25:15 PM
Dawgsdad, thanks for the good run down, who do you think is the best team in the conference right now? A few are getting hot at the right time. Who's got the deepest pitching?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 22, 2009, 06:12:37 PM
Quote from: royhobbs on April 22, 2009, 05:25:15 PM
Dawgsdad, thanks for the good run down, who do you think is the best team in the conference right now? A few are getting hot at the right time. Who's got the deepest pitching?

I think it's virtually impossible to identify a clear #1 right now. Had UT Tyler won the MC series they would probably be the consensus, but TLU and MC have both played great baseball down the stretch and you could make a good case for either of them.

I think that even in spite of their recent short-comings Tyler has the deepest pitching staff. Their ERA is significantly lower than the next closest team (UMHB), and Holland and Booher pack a solid 1-2 punch.

I don't think you blink at Orosey/Macklin either.

Hopper/Garza, Hinson/Seamen, & Barton/Kriegel aren't anything to scoff at either.

The third option and the pen is where I think Tyler can potentially separate themselves (though Wolfe and Rozell have both showed to be vulnerable.)

UMHB w/ Hawkins & VanHoozer and TLU with Steinert/Hembree add decent depth to both the Cru and the Dawgs, but neither have a shut-down option quite like Zeigler (presuming Macklin is in a starting role.)

There's a lot of other variables at work here, but we'll keep it straight forward for time's sake.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on April 22, 2009, 06:48:28 PM
I think that this weekend pitching depth is not a factor. It is a regular series and you won't go deeper than your top four or five anyway, unless a game gets out of control then you would likely down staff.

Next weekend is where depth can be an issue, if you get in the loser's bracket.



Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: royhobbs on April 22, 2009, 06:57:37 PM
As arms get tired, pitching depth becomes a huge issue. Let's see if UTT's B&B boys can hold up, and if Barton and Orsey can keep it up. As the innings go up, so goes the ERA's. Looking at the team ERA's provided by Dawgsdad, I'd be surprised if there's a lot of low scoring games.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on April 22, 2009, 08:23:32 PM
Quote from: royhobbs on April 22, 2009, 05:25:15 PM
Dawgsdad, thanks for the good run down, who do you think is the best team in the conference right now? A few are getting hot at the right time. Who's got the deepest pitching?

I have to agree with JSG, royhobbs. He stated it quite well. Perhaps we'll have a better idea after the first round is complete.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on April 22, 2009, 08:34:09 PM
Quote from: royhobbs on April 22, 2009, 06:57:37 PM
As arms get tired, pitching depth becomes a huge issue. Let's see if UTT's B&B boys can hold up, and if Barton and Orsey can keep it up. As the innings go up, so goes the ERA's. Looking at the team ERA's provided by Dawgsdad, I'd be surprised if there's a lot of low scoring games.

I think if pitching is as strong as it was going into this last week of play, we're likely to see some low scoring games. Game three of the TLU/HSU being a good example.

I will agree with you that typically as the season progresses arms will become tired and some of what you see when you look at the total ERA of team is some of that, but it's also a reflection of the pen. If you look at it that way perhaps UTT has the best overall staff. But taking a look at the normal series starters by themselves may give you another perspective as to where the strength is within a pitching staff.

Good discussions nonetheless.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 22, 2009, 09:59:59 PM
Predictions for the first round, using pythagorean winning percentages (in parentheses) as a guide.

Texas Lutheran (.769) over Ozarks (.374) in two
Texas-Tyler (.769) over McMurry (.713) in three
Texas-Dallas (.751) over Hardin-Simmons (.563) in two
Mississippi College (.626) over Mary-Hardin-Baylor (.639) in three
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 22, 2009, 10:56:33 PM
Following up on a previous post in which I talked a bit about evaluating pitchers based on the relationship between the runs they give up and the number of runs a league-average offense would be expected to score (in other words, support-neutral). First there is a list of the pitchers with the most effective games pitched (IP/team average game length); second there is a list of the pitchers with the highest support-neutral (SN) winning percentage; lastly a list of the pitchers with the most SN wins with their SN record. Only pitchers with at least 20 IP are included.

Effective Games Pitched (EGM)
1. Lucas Garza, Sul Ross State - 9.5
2. Brad Orosey, Texas Lutheran - 9.5
3. Brett Hinson, Mississippi College - 9.3
4. Jared Hopper, Mary Hardin-Baylor - 9.3
5. Tim Kriegel, Hardin-Simmons - 9.1
6. R.B. Garza, Mary Hardin-Baylor - 8.7
7. Brett Holland, Texas-Tyler - 8.4
8. Michael Johnson, Concordia-Texas - 8.4
9. Kyle Martin, McMurry - 8.3
10. Ben Whiteley, Concordia-Texas - 8.2

SN Winning Percentage
1. Jeremy Macklin, Texas Lutheran - .966 (3.6 EGM)
2. Chris Tampke, LeTourneau - .941 (2.1 EGM)
3. Beau Ziegler, Texas-Tyler - .929 (2.9 EGM)
4. Brett Holland, Texas-Tyler - .880 (8.4 EGM)
5. Michael Johnson, Concordia-Texas - .872 (8.4 EGM)
6. Adam Spinn, Texas-Dallas - .844 (2.8 EGM)
7. Corey Underwood, Louisiana College - .838 (3.8 EGM)
8. Donovan Riggles, Concordia-Texas - .817 (4.0 EGM)
9. Blake Booher, Texas-Tyler - .795 (6.1 EGM)
10. Sam Van Hoozer, Mary Hardin-Baylor - .785 (4.3 EGM)

SN W-L record (standard W-L record)
1. Brett Holland, Texas-Tyler - 7.4-1.0 (9-3)
2. Michael Johnson, Concordia-Texas - 7.3-1.1 (7-2)
3. Brad Orosey, Texas Lutheran - 7.1-2.4 (9-1)
4. Jared Hopper, Mary Hardin-Baylor - 7.0-2.3 (6-2)
5. Brett Hinson, Mississippi College - 6.9-2.5 (8-2)
6. Tim Kriegel, Hardin-Simmons - 6.7-2.3 (6-4)
7. Kyle Martin, McMurry - 6.1-2.2 (3-4)
8. Matt Coburn, Concordia-Texas - 6.0-2.1 (4-5)
9. Ben Whiteley, Concordia-Texas - 5.9-2.3 (4-3)
10. Kyle Barton, Hardin-Simmons - 5.5-1.6 (9-0)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on April 23, 2009, 02:03:22 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on April 22, 2009, 10:56:33 PM
Following up on a previous post in which I talked a bit about evaluating pitchers based on the relationship between the runs they give up and the number of runs a league-average offense would be expected to score (in other words, support-neutral). First there is a list of the pitchers with the most effective games pitched (IP/team average game length); second there is a list of the pitchers with the highest support-neutral (SN) winning percentage; lastly a list of the pitchers with the most SN wins with their SN record. Only pitchers with at least 20 IP are included.

Effective Games Pitched (EGM)
1. Lucas Garza, Sul Ross State - 9.5
2. Brad Orosey, Texas Lutheran - 9.5
3. Brett Hinson, Mississippi College - 9.3
4. Jared Hopper, Mary Hardin-Baylor - 9.3
5. Tim Kriegel, Hardin-Simmons - 9.1
6. R.B. Garza, Mary Hardin-Baylor - 8.7
7. Brett Holland, Texas-Tyler - 8.4
8. Michael Johnson, Concordia-Texas - 8.4
9. Kyle Martin, McMurry - 8.3
10. Ben Whiteley, Concordia-Texas - 8.2

SN Winning Percentage
1. Jeremy Macklin, Texas Lutheran - .966 (3.6 EGM)
2. Chris Tampke, LeTourneau - .941 (2.1 EGM)
3. Beau Ziegler, Texas-Tyler - .929 (2.9 EGM)
4. Brett Holland, Texas-Tyler - .880 (8.4 EGM)
5. Michael Johnson, Concordia-Texas - .872 (8.4 EGM)
6. Adam Spinn, Texas-Dallas - .844 (2.8 EGM)
7. Corey Underwood, Louisiana College - .838 (3.8 EGM)
8. Donovan Riggles, Concordia-Texas - .817 (4.0 EGM)
9. Blake Booher, Texas-Tyler - .795 (6.1 EGM)
10. Sam Van Hoozer, Mary Hardin-Baylor - .785 (4.3 EGM)

SN W-L record (standard W-L record)
1. Brett Holland, Texas-Tyler - 7.4-1.0 (9-3)
2. Michael Johnson, Concordia-Texas - 7.3-1.1 (7-2)
3. Brad Orosey, Texas Lutheran - 7.1-2.4 (9-1)
4. Jared Hopper, Mary Hardin-Baylor - 7.0-2.3 (6-2)
5. Brett Hinson, Mississippi College - 6.9-2.5 (8-2)
6. Tim Kriegel, Hardin-Simmons - 6.7-2.3 (6-4)
7. Kyle Martin, McMurry - 6.1-2.2 (3-4)
8. Matt Coburn, Concordia-Texas - 6.0-2.1 (4-5)
9. Ben Whiteley, Concordia-Texas - 5.9-2.3 (4-3)
10. Kyle Barton, Hardin-Simmons - 5.5-1.6 (9-0)

CUAfan,

Interesting statistics. Given this method (if you have time) would you care give your assessment of how the 8 teams within the tourney stack up?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on April 23, 2009, 02:15:58 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on April 22, 2009, 09:59:59 PM
Predictions for the first round, using pythagorean winning percentages (in parentheses) as a guide.

Texas Lutheran (.769) over Ozarks (.374) in two
Texas-Tyler (.769) over McMurry (.713) in three
Texas-Dallas (.751) over Hardin-Simmons (.563) in two
Mississippi College (.626) over Mary-Hardin-Baylor (.639) in three

CUAfan,

Again interesting work. Given that most would say the west is the stronger of the two divisions, your predictions seems to go against that train of thought. Also, it seems that you chose MC over UMHB even though MC has a lower winning percentage. Care to expand on your thought process here?

Lastly, MCM has already taken two of three from UTT this year in Tyler. How much of a factor could prior experience with a team factor in to these predictions?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 23, 2009, 04:33:08 PM
Wanted to wish everyone good luck and safe travels this weekend. I am headed up to Mississippi for the UMHB/MC series, which I think should be a pretty good one. If nothing else at least the weather is looking a little bit better than last years series.

Should be a fun weekend, good luck everyone.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on April 23, 2009, 05:33:27 PM
Congrats to UMHB's Villegas for going over 200 hits in his career thus far!!

http://www.d3baseball.com/pressreleases/Mary%20Hardin-Baylor/2009/04/23/UMHBs-Villegas-goes-over-200-career-hits/4139

Good luck to the Cru this weekend!!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 23, 2009, 06:23:32 PM
Regional Rankings hot off the press (I think). Very interesting to say the least. A little perplexing if you ask me.

West Region
1. Pomona-Pitzer 31-3 23-1
2. Texas-Tyler 32-8 29-7
3. Pacific Lutheran 27-8 25-8
4. Redlands 22-12 19-10
5. Texas-Dallas 25-15 24-11
6. McMurry 22-14 19-13
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on April 23, 2009, 06:30:15 PM
Quote from: dp643 on April 23, 2009, 06:23:32 PM
Regional Rankings hot off the press (I think). Very interesting to say the least. A little perplexing if you ask me.

West Region
1. Pomona-Pitzer 31-3 23-1
2. Texas-Tyler 32-8 29-7
3. Pacific Lutheran 27-8 25-8
4. Redlands 22-12 19-10
5. Texas-Dallas 25-15 24-11
6. McMurry 22-14 19-13

I can understand why TLU didn't make this top six list. Had they not blown a 10 run lead and had a couple of key errors in the doubleheader against UTD and had won the middle game against MCM (walk off HR) I suspect they might be listed in the fifth spot. 

It will be interesting to see what it looks like next week going into the finals...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 23, 2009, 06:33:54 PM
Quote from: Dawgsdad on April 23, 2009, 06:30:15 PM
Quote from: dp643 on April 23, 2009, 06:23:32 PM
Regional Rankings hot off the press (I think). Very interesting to say the least. A little perplexing if you ask me.

West Region
1. Pomona-Pitzer 31-3 23-1
2. Texas-Tyler 32-8 29-7
3. Pacific Lutheran 27-8 25-8
4. Redlands 22-12 19-10
5. Texas-Dallas 25-15 24-11
6. McMurry 22-14 19-13

I can understand why TLU didn't make this top six list. Had they not blown a 10 run lead and had a couple of key errors in the doubleheader against UTD and had won the middle game against MCM (walk off HR) I suspect they might be listed in the fifth spot. 

It will be interesting to see what it looks like next week going into the finals...
I think that they are a close 6th.  The CalState East Bay series does not seem to help TLU as much as McMurry is getting from their series with Chapman.  McMurry's Head-to-head may also give them the nod.

McMurry finished the regular season 25-15/22-14.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 23, 2009, 11:18:48 PM
McM won two out of three at McM not in Tyler. I got to go with the home team and a belief that Wolfe and Rozell are more effective this weekend. Booher is my concern as he has been very inconsistant. Against MC he hit 3 batters and his mechanics have been horrible thus his inconsistancy. Too late to fix that just have to hope he has figured it out. Holland has been a force but has always thrown just the 7 inning game. That means they need an inning or two out of the bullpen and then turn it over to Ziegler in the 9th and not earlier then with 1 out in the 8th. They will need to have Zielger available in the late inninings each game so they can't burn him in the first game. Winning the first game is really important so Tyler will go with Holland and hope he gives them 7 strong innings. He will then be burned. They need 6 good innings out of Booher and 2 strong innings out of Rozell with Ziegler finishing. If it goes to the 3rd game then Wolfe has to step up and give 6 good innings then back to Rozell with Alverado and Cambell ready turning it over to Ziegler in the 8th or 9th. Again in game 2 they cannot use Ziegler for more than an inning and 1/3 but if they can win game one and have a chance to close it out with game two then they probably will gamble and go longer with Ziegler. The wind if it blows from the south will be different this week not conducive to the long ball which will work to UTs advantage. Last week it was out of the nw and blowing out very hard which took away UTs pitching advantage against MC.

Intersting fact looking at the first regional rankings, neither the east or west division first seeds are ranked but UTT, UTD and McM are ranked. Doesn't make any sense to me. I think MC is better than UTD and TLU is better than McM but whoever votes on these rankings believes otherwise.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 23, 2009, 11:29:12 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on April 23, 2009, 11:18:48 PM
McM won two out of three at McM not in Tyler. I got to go with the home team and a belief that Wolfe and Rozell are more effective this weekend. Booher is my concern as he has been very inconsistant. Against MC he hit 3 batters and his mechanics have been horrible thus his inconsistancy. Too late to fix that just have to hope he has figured it out. Holland has been a force but has always thrown just the 7 inning game. That means they need an inning or two out of the bullpen and then turn it over to Ziegler in the 9th and not earlier then with 1 out in the 8th. They will need to have Zielger available in the late inninings each game so they can't burn him in the first game. Winning the first game is really important so Tyler will go with Holland and hope he gives them 7 strong innings. He will then be burned. They need 6 good innings out of Booher and 2 strong innings out of Rozell with Ziegler finishing. If it goes to the 3rd game then Wolfe has to step up and give 6 good innings then back to Rozell with Alverado and Cambell ready turning it over to Ziegler in the 8th or 9th. Again in game 2 they cannot use Ziegler for more than an inning and 1/3 but if they can win game one and have a chance to close it out with game two then they probably will gamble and go longer with Ziegler. The wind if it blows from the south will be different this week not conducive to the long ball which will work to UTs advantage. Last week it was out of the nw and blowing out very hard which took away UTs pitching advantage against MC.

Intersting fact looking at the first regional rankings, neither the east or west division first seeds are ranked but UTT, UTD and McM are ranked. Doesn't make any sense to me. I think MC is better than UTD and TLU is better than McM but whoever votes on these rankings believes otherwise.
The ASC is a big mess.  Mississippi College did well in the ASC, but has too many in-region losses, e.g. Millsaps  x3, TLU  x3, Emory once.  In-region wins include the 14-4 ASC-Division record plus Rust x 3, Emory once and HPU x3.  I get an in-region record of 21-11.  Not stellar.

TLU's in-region record is the 16-5 in the West plus AC 2-1; Trinity 1-1; Cal State East Bay 2-1 Southwestern 2-0 Miss College 3-0 and the stunner... UTD 0-3.

When the committee is trying to see where to slot TLU at 26-11, you have a hard time of putting TLU ahead of UTD, which beat them three times, and McMurry, who beat them twice.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: atlas385 on April 24, 2009, 01:00:44 PM
Just heard,Coach Gardner,head baseball coach, has officially resign from Concordia University.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on April 24, 2009, 01:21:26 PM
Quote from: atlas385 on April 24, 2009, 01:00:44 PM
Just heard,Coach Gardner,head baseball coach, has officially resign from Concordia University.

In my brief interactions with him, he was wonderful man who seemed very helpful to both his players and visiting teams. I really enjoyed coaching against him at Concordia as he seemed to see the "big picture" that baseball provided.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on April 24, 2009, 02:32:22 PM
its tough when you dont have a field. Gardner had a great run and his best season in 2002 when he went to the D3 world series. Tommy Boggs a replacement from Slam. Great program in a great city.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on April 24, 2009, 02:41:32 PM
Unfortunate for CTX.  Since I have been paying attention to the ASC, Gardner has been the coach and CTX has been a competitive team the entire time.  Maybe he got an offer somewhere else, or maybe his vision for the program did not coincide with the school's vision...that tends to happen fairly often in D3.  Perhaps he is just tired of it all.

Whatever the case, he seemed to be good for the program there and good luck to him in whatever he decides to do next.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on April 24, 2009, 02:43:37 PM
Im shocked at the new West rankings.  I guess the Cali teams beat up on each other this past weekend.  I thought Tyler would drop quite a bit after losing 2 of 3 to MC, but it seems they rose in the standings due to default.

It all can change with the coming weekend and subsequent weekend.  Still have to win the tourney to get in (that goes for every team in the ASC) in my opinion.

Not winning it all just leaves way too much up to chance.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on April 24, 2009, 03:03:28 PM
Quote from: tloc14 on April 24, 2009, 02:41:32 PM
Perhaps he is just tired of it all.

Whatever the case, he seemed to be good for the program there and good luck to him in whatever he decides to do next.

As a former small college head coach, I can attest at how tiring it really is. Working 70-80 hours a week for a paycheck that rarely reflects the effort and skills needed to do the job... missing time with your family... it all adds up. The saddest, and happiest, day of my life is when I decided to walk away.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 24, 2009, 03:22:09 PM
TLU's Brad Orosey surrendered 4 BB's in the top of the 2nd.  UOz can only get one run as #3 batter C Jeremy Hogan gounds into a 2-out bases loaded fielder's choice.  UOz tied at 1, going to the bottom of the 2nd.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 24, 2009, 03:44:54 PM
Just to show how fickle this game can be Centre college upset #1 South rated Milsaps at Milsaps in the opening round of their conference tournament. Centre is a team that is not on anyones radar screen. Same thing can happen in this ASC tournament as nobody is safe from a first round knockout. The teams are all fairly close although Ozarks is the weakest of the group and should lose but then again....
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 24, 2009, 03:49:59 PM
TLU 3rd...

Nokelby grounded out to ss.
Macklin walked.
Macklin stole second.
Drew Farr grounded out to 2b; Macklin advanced to third.  (Hit behind the runner!)
Cody Miller singled, RBI; Macklin scored.
Cody Miller advanced to second on a wild pitch.
Childress flied out to rf.    (Out #3)

Manufactured run!  Man!  It's playoff time! TLU up 2-1




Texas Lutheran 5th
Nokelby doubled.
Macklin reached on an error by 1b; Nokelby advanced to third.
Drew Farr singled, RBI; Macklin advanced to second; Nokelby scored.
Drew Farr advanced to second on the error; Macklin advanced to third on the throw, scored on an error by p, unearned.
Cody Miller grounded out to 3b.
Childress struck out swinging.
Siniff struck out swinging.
2 runs, 2 hits, 2 errors, 1 LOB.  (One run is unearned!)  TLU 4-1.


Final 10-1 TLU.  TLU got to Cox and then the bullpen couldn't stop them.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 24, 2009, 05:17:46 PM
Final: TLU 10 - Ozarks 1

Winning Pitcher Brad Orosey moves to 10-1 on the year. He issued 5 BBs, but only 3 hits and 1 run in the second.

Quite a few of the Bulldogs got in on the action by the end of the game. Both Ryan Nokelby and Cody Miller had 3 hits each, and Miller, Drew Farr and Chris Siniff all drove in 2 runs apiece.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 24, 2009, 05:37:55 PM
Sorry to see Coach Gardner stepping down. His passion for his players and the game of baseball was clear, and in my (admittedly limited) interaction with him, he always seemed a class act. Where'd you hear it, atlas? I can't find the news reported anywhere.

Quote from: Dawgsdad on April 23, 2009, 02:15:58 PM
CUAfan,

Again interesting work. Given that most would say the west is the stronger of the two divisions, your predictions seems to go against that train of thought. Also, it seems that you chose MC over UMHB even though MC has a lower winning percentage. Care to expand on your thought process here?

Mainly because MC is at home. The math said UMHB has something like a 52% chance to win a given game against MC w/o home field advantage taken into account. I figured it might give MC enough of a boost to win in three. I was also leaning toward UMHB in three.

QuoteLastly, MCM has already taken two of three from UTT this year in Tyler. How much of a factor could prior experience with a team factor in to these predictions?

Hard to say. Having seen each other once could help I suppose, but I don't think it would help one of them more than the other to any significant degree. I also put little stock in a 3-game sample size (witness Texas getting swept by Kansas not so long ago in D1).
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 24, 2009, 05:53:14 PM
Quote from: Dawgsdad on April 23, 2009, 02:03:22 PM
CUAfan,

Interesting statistics. Given this method (if you have time) would you care give your assessment of how the 8 teams within the tourney stack up?

Here's how the 8 tourney pitching staffs stack up by SN winning percentage. Side note...in the conference as a whole, Concordia-Texas came out second....what a waste of a pitching staff. Anyway, moving on to the list. :P

Team SN Win%
1. Texas-Tyler - .738
2. Mary Hardin-Baylor - .643
3. Texas Lutheran - .622
4. McMurry - .613
5. Mississippi College - .547
6. Texas-Dallas - .542
7. Ozarks - .501
8. Hardin-Simmons - .479

You can also do this with the offense's rate of run scoring to see how good the team would be expected to be if the pitching was league average (pitching-neutral, or PN).

Team PN Win %
1. Texas-Dallas - .601
2. Texas-Tyler - .593
3. Mississippi College - .584
4. Texas Lutheran - .576
5. Hardin-Simmons - .558
6. Mary Hardin-Baylor - .544
7. McMurry - .542
8. Ozarks - .435

Just to confirm what is implied by comparing the lists, yes, there is less difference in ASC offenses than there is in ASC pitching staffs. The standard deviation of runs scored per inning is 0.15, while the standard deviation of runs allowed per inning is 0.23.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on April 24, 2009, 05:57:52 PM
It is confirmed
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 24, 2009, 08:42:36 PM
HSU leads UTD 12-9. UTD is batting in the top of the 6th.


Mississippi College leads UMHB 2-1, and is batting in the bottom of the 6th.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 24, 2009, 08:56:51 PM
McM 1 at UTT 1, in the top of the 6th.  Wind is blowing in from center.  Holland has 7 K's.

Tre Lips just hit a 2-run HR to left field.  McM 3-1 in the top of the 6th.


UT-Tyler gets one back on a SAC Fly.  McM 3-2 after 6.


Holland strikes out Lips with the bases loaded.  McM 3-2 going to the bottom of the 7th.


UTT doesn't score in the 7th

Holland leaves after 7. 

7 IP 3runs  2 Earned, K8, BB3, HBP 3

Ziegler in to relieve in the 8th.


Ziegler retires the side in the top of the 8th.  McM 3-2.


UTT brings up the 8, 9, and 1 batters for the bottom of the 8th.   Two out and then Martin hits Kendall Fox.   Gaona relieves Martin and gets the DH Hood, fielders choice, 6-4.  McM 3 UTT 2 going to the 9th.  2 hours and 5 minutes so far.  UTT will have the 3-4-5 batting in the 9th.

Great baseball!


McM 3-2 going to the bottom of the 9th.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 24, 2009, 09:08:07 PM
MC's Seaman and UMHB's Hopper both throwing great games.

Seaman gets out of it despite UMHB having first two runners on w/ no outs. Garza has to move those runners up.

Hopper battles out of a jam in the bottom of the 8th. UMHB will have to score in the top of the 9th to extend the game.

Reed Prewitt in to try and close it out for the Choctaws.

Volz singles scoring Melendez from 2nd to the tie the game at 2-2 in the top of the 9th.




HSU scores another to go up 13-9 in the bottom of the 7th.

Kreigel comes back out for the 8th. Hasn't given up a run that WASN'T a HR since the 1st inning. He records his 7th strikeout and finishes the 8th while facing 9,1,2,3 in the UTD order. No easy feat. What a gutsy performance.

HSU SS Brian Weeks hits a 2B off the top of the wall for a 2 RBI triple, giving HSU a 15-9 lead over UTD.

LHP Michael Reinhardt (10.05 ERA) relieves Kreigel with 1 out in the top of the 9th. Kreigel throws 165 pitches.

2-out single from Eisman closes the gap to 15-11 w/ a runner one. Coach Coleman (HSU) wants to get out of this one without having to go to Barton.

UTD back at the top of the order.

Reinhardt strikes out UTD lead-off hitter Neal Gordon looking.

HSU wins 15 (20 hits), to 11 (14 hits) over UTD.





Joe Towns just singles to right and sends pinch runner Tucker from 1st to 3rd w/ 2 outs in the bottom of the 9th, McM up 1 run.

Adrian Gaona closes it out getting Skeen to ground into a 6-4 fielder's choice. McMurry wins the 1st game behind a great pitching performance from Kyle Martin, and a 2-run HR from Tre Lips.


JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 24, 2009, 09:32:36 PM
UT-Tyler goes strike out; E-6; fly to center; Chris Tucker as a pinch runner for Hodges with 2 strikes on Joe Towns who singles to right field on a 2-2 count. Runners on 1st and 3rd. Skeen up to bat,hits into a fielders choice 6-4.

McMurry wins 3-2. Gaona gets the save,  Martin the win and Holland the loss.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on April 24, 2009, 09:38:08 PM
Does this put UT Tyler one loss away from the end of their season?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 24, 2009, 09:40:45 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on April 24, 2009, 09:38:08 PM
Does this put UT Tyler one loss away from the end of their season?

It's tough to say. Judging by the 1st set of regional rankings, if they come back and win the series, AND make it to the championship (or win) the ASC tournament I suspect they still have a chance the way the West seems to be playing out.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 24, 2009, 09:47:03 PM
UMHB gets a 1 out single from Marcus Volz to score Melendez from 2nd, tying the UMHB vs. MC game at 2-2 in the top of the 9th.

I suspected removing Seaman for Prewitt might lead to trouble with the top of UMHB's order coming up.

Bases juiced for R.B. Garza. Flies out to RF, bottom 9th. 7-8-9 up for MC.

Could the West sweep Day 1?

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on April 24, 2009, 09:48:14 PM
Here is a question for you to ponder....What if the West sweeps the first weekend? Who would host next weekend?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 24, 2009, 09:49:00 PM
You can only count on one at-large per region (altho' New York Region "top Pool C candidate" Rochester sat thru all 14 rounds last year and stayed home).

I am not sure who that will be.

Martin and Gaona pitched like seniors.

TLU will host if the West sweeps.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 24, 2009, 09:52:02 PM
Final HSU 15, UTD 11.


Two out in the top of the 9th for UMHB.

Bases loaded and RB Garza at bat.  He flies to RF! Tied at 2.


Miss College gets walk-off single down the left field line from Chase Herrin to score the runner from second.  MC 3-2.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 24, 2009, 10:11:59 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on April 24, 2009, 09:47:03 PM
UMHB gets a 1 out single from Marcus Volz to score Melendez from 2nd, tying the UMHB vs. MC game at 2-2 in the top of the 9th.

I suspected removing Seaman for Prewitt might lead to trouble with the top of UMHB's order coming up.

Bases juiced for R.B. Garza. Flies out to RF, bottom 9th. 7-8-9 up for MC.

Could the West sweep Day 1?

JSG

I understand that it is a LOT easier for me to sit in the comfort of my home and second-guess a coach, but WHY does Coach Wells run a inexperienced kid with an 11.37 ERA out there against a really good offensive team.

In a 2-2 game in the bottom of the 9th, and after a brilliant performance from Hopper you have to go with Hawkins or VanHoozer here in my opinion.

You know Mississippi College has Hinson waiting in the wings tomorrow, and it's the playoffs. I think you run your studs out there and go for the 1-0 advantage.

Others with insight?

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 24, 2009, 10:14:12 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on April 24, 2009, 10:11:59 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on April 24, 2009, 09:47:03 PM
UMHB gets a 1 out single from Marcus Volz to score Melendez from 2nd, tying the UMHB vs. MC game at 2-2 in the top of the 9th.

I suspected removing Seaman for Prewitt might lead to trouble with the top of UMHB's order coming up.

Bases juiced for R.B. Garza. Flies out to RF, bottom 9th. 7-8-9 up for MC.

Could the West sweep Day 1?

JSG

I understand that it is a LOT easier for me to sit in the comfort of my home and second-guess a coach, but WHY does Coach Wells run a inexperienced kid with an 11.37 ERA out there against a really good offensive team.

In a 2-2 game in the bottom of the 9th, and after a brilliant performance from Hopper you have to go with Hawkins or VanHoozer here in my opinion.

You know Mississippi College has Hinson waiting in the wings tomorrow, and it's the playoffs. I think you run your studs out there and go for the 1-0 advantage.

Others with insight?

JSG
My thoughts exactly.  Van Hoozer owned McMurry this year.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on April 24, 2009, 10:24:48 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on April 24, 2009, 10:11:59 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on April 24, 2009, 09:47:03 PM
UMHB gets a 1 out single from Marcus Volz to score Melendez from 2nd, tying the UMHB vs. MC game at 2-2 in the top of the 9th.

I suspected removing Seaman for Prewitt might lead to trouble with the top of UMHB's order coming up.

Bases juiced for R.B. Garza. Flies out to RF, bottom 9th. 7-8-9 up for MC.

Could the West sweep Day 1?

JSG

I understand that it is a LOT easier for me to sit in the comfort of my home and second-guess a coach, but WHY does Coach Wells run a inexperienced kid with an 11.37 ERA out there against a really good offensive team.

In a 2-2 game in the bottom of the 9th, and after a brilliant performance from Hopper you have to go with Hawkins or VanHoozer here in my opinion.

You know Mississippi College has Hinson waiting in the wings tomorrow, and it's the playoffs. I think you run your studs out there and go for the 1-0 advantage.

Others with insight?

JSG

Don't understand this myself. I know that DP643 is there perhaps he can shed some light on this move once he's connected and able to comment.

I know for us today, we kept seeing worst and worst pitching with each pitching change, but it wasn't a one run game either.  We didn't see any of the Ozarks top arms - which is also puzzling... Thought we would see Hoch but didn't. I guess we will tomorrow. Macklin has game 1 tomorrow and with luck, it should be all we need.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 24, 2009, 10:35:32 PM
Tyler left 14 base runners stranded and out hit McM 8-5. This reminds me of last year when UTT did the same thing out hit and left a boat load of runners on base in a their final loss to CTX.

Unbelievably the Patriots have now lost 3 in a row and all at home.

Unless they really turn things around their season will end tomorrow. McM definitly has the edge now as the Patriots wasted good pitching from Holland and Ziegler. Got to hand it to McM they pitched and played great defense to hold the Patriots to just 2 runs with all those baserunners.

Booher has been inconsistant and Wolfe and Rozelle had rough outings last week. The bats better be working tomorrow. They were pressing at the plate tonight and were caugt off balance by the McM pitchers who threw alot of offspead pitches and mixed it up. UTT is fast ball feastin team and struggle with the offspead specialists. 

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 25, 2009, 12:24:24 AM
Great game tonight in Clinton, MS. Hopper and Seaman were both absolutely awesome.

David Keil began the year as one of the main bullpen arms for the Cru. he had a few shaky outings early on, but was still considered a top reliever for the staff. He has had very good outings that havent outweighed a few of the shaky outings in the first few games of the season. Hes got very good stuff even though the numbers dont show. Check out what he did to UT Tyler if you dont believe me. He had 3 2/3 innings 0 ER and 6 K's vs them back in late February. That is the kind of production that UMHB has expected from him all season. Why he doesnt have many outings since then is due to him getting sick and missing almost 3-4 weeks of the season. He has very good stuff, and is a ground ball pitcher. Hopper walked the first batter in the 9th, and they must have felt that his ability to get groundballs gave them a very good shot tonight to get out of the inning. He came in and did his job, giving up a popup out, and the game winning hit which was a towering fly ball that stayed out of play and the wind caught it and pushed it fair at the base of the wall and the foul line for the game winner.

If this series goes three games, you will probably see Keil again tomorow as well. Van Hoozer was only going to get used I believe if UMHB took the lead tonight.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 25, 2009, 12:27:14 AM
Win 'em both tomorrow.  I think that McMurry would rather travel to Seguin than to Clinton, if we win!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on April 25, 2009, 12:45:11 AM
Like dp643 said, we had a great game in Clinton tonight.

Seaman and Hopper dominated. The only mistake Hopper made was an early two-run bomb he gave up to Bo Bell. He gave up a bloop hit, then made a mistake to Bell who hit a no-doubter over the center field wall. His breaking pitch was as good as I've seen this year, right there with Holland of UT-Tyler. MC hitters couldn't touch it tonight as he struck out 10.

Seaman had great stuff and was in the zone all night. If you haven't see him pitch, he's pretty cosistent 88-91 with a good breaking pitch. Though he got hit around some at Tyler last week, a scout told the UTT coaches that he topped out once at 95. He carried a 2-1 lead into the ninth but left after giving up a leadoff single. Both pitchers threw about 130 pitches.

The game-winner from Herrin in the ninth looked like it might leave the yard, but was going well foul. I guess a gust of wind blew it back fair at the track, because the UMHB player was caught off guard and I think he just overran the ball. I thought it was going 10-15 foot foul, and it made it back to the field of play.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 25, 2009, 01:18:46 AM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on April 25, 2009, 12:45:11 AM


The game-winner from Herrin in the ninth looked like it might leave the yard, but was going well foul. I guess a gust of wind blew it back fair at the track, because the UMHB player was caught off guard and I think he just overran the bll. I thought it was going 10-15 foot foul, and it made it back to the field of play.

Hmmm...

Are there significant theological differences between Mississippi Baptists and Baptists from Central Texas?

It makes you wonder...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on April 25, 2009, 08:36:33 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 25, 2009, 12:27:14 AM
Win 'em both tomorrow.  I think that McMurry would rather travel to Seguin than to Clinton, if we win!

Amen to that ;D
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 25, 2009, 08:57:06 AM
Quote from: Dawgsdad on April 25, 2009, 08:36:33 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 25, 2009, 12:27:14 AM
Win 'em both tomorrow.  I think that McMurry would rather travel to Seguin than to Clinton, if we win!

Amen to that ;D
We got an amen from the Lutherans!   :D
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 25, 2009, 10:31:52 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 24, 2009, 10:14:12 PM
Van Hoozer owned McMurry this year.

Van Hoozer vs. McMurry, 2009 -
1.2 IP, 1 BB, 1 K, 0 H

I hardly think 1.2 IP is sufficient basis to say any one player "owned" another team. Not to mention the whole concept of a player/team "owning" another player/team is flawed.

I am also confused as to why a UMHB pitcher supposedly "owning" McMurry is significant at this stage of the tourney.
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Tourney offenses by standard OPS and OPS adjusted for BABIP (in an attempt to neutralize the effect of luck on balls in play).

Standard OPS
1. Texas-Dallas, .991
2. McMurry, .981
3. Texas-Tyler, .972
4. Texas Lutheran, .950
5. Mississippi College, .937
6. Hardin-Simmons, .922
7. Mary Hardin-Baylor, .893
8. Ozarks, .844

Adjusted OPS
1. Texas-Dallas, .972
2. Texas Lutheran, .950
3. Texas-Tyler, .937
4. McMurry, .931
5. Hardin-Simmons, .917
6. Ozarks, .907
7. Mississippi College, .892
8. Mary Hardin-Baylor, .857
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 25, 2009, 01:02:21 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on April 25, 2009, 10:31:52 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 24, 2009, 10:14:12 PM
Van Hoozer owned McMurry this year.

Van Hoozer vs. McMurry, 2009 -
1.2 IP, 1 BB, 1 K, 0 H

I hardly think 1.2 IP is sufficient basis to say any one player "owned" another team. Not to mention the whole concept of a player/team "owning" another player/team is flawed.

I am also confused as to why a UMHB pitcher supposedly "owning" McMurry is significant at this stage of the tourney.
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That is fair.

Nevertheless, Van Hoozer comes in for Hopper in the 8th runners on 2nd and 3rd  with one out and get the clean-up batter to pop to shallow LF and then a strike out swinging.  In the 9th,  fly, a walk and a DP.  His 6 saves are as many as UTT's Ziegler and only behind CTX's Szkotoak.  Only Austin College (during the mid-season slump) and Chapman's Kitchens stop the McMurry offense as effectively.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 25, 2009, 01:28:15 PM
TLU leads UOz 1-0 going to the Ozarks' bottom of the 6th.  TLU scored on a Joe Gentry lead-off HR in the 2nd inning.  Macklin is on the mound for TLU.  Koch for UOz.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 25, 2009, 01:28:26 PM
Pitching duel in Seguin as Texas Lutheran is up 1-0 going into the bottom of the 6th.

The Bulldogs run came on a solo shot by 3B Joe Gentry.

TLU:      Macklin 5 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 6 K
Ozarks: Koch     6 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 3 BB, 8 K

The other games get going in approximately 30 minutes.

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 25, 2009, 02:33:39 PM
Macklin gets the 4-hit shutout as TLU wins 2-0.  Great game!  UOz is eliminated
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on April 25, 2009, 02:41:07 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 25, 2009, 08:57:06 AM
Quote from: Dawgsdad on April 25, 2009, 08:36:33 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 25, 2009, 12:27:14 AM
Win 'em both tomorrow.  I think that McMurry would rather travel to Seguin than to Clinton, if we win!

Amen to that ;D
We got an amen from the Lutherans!   :D

Ralph, Lutherans have always been big on "amens" ....  ;)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 25, 2009, 04:12:57 PM
MissColl leads UMHB 11-0, UMHB batting in the bottom of the 3rd.

UTT leads McM 6-0 going to the bottom of the 5th for McM.


UTT scored 2 in the 6th to go up 8-0.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 25, 2009, 05:39:20 PM
Final in game #1 UTT 10 McM 0.  Booher 4-hits McM.  UTT announcers call it his best game of the season.

Game 2 in 30 minutes.



MC eliminated UMHB 14-4 in 7.


UTD 14 HSU 12.  On to game #3

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on April 25, 2009, 06:40:58 PM
UTT up early 1-0 Bottom of the third 2 outs for UTT
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 25, 2009, 07:32:50 PM
McMurry scores an unearned run in the top of the 6 to tie at 1.  McM brings on Cory Davis in relief of Dakota Smith for the UTT bottom of the 6th who gets a 1-2-3 inning.


In the bottom of the 7th, UTT scores on a BB, advanced by a Sac Bunt, then a scored with a single.   UTT leads 2-1. 


UTT pitcher Lex Wolfe walks McM Nathan Love to lead of the 8th.

UTT brings in Tommy Rozelle to relieve.  The top of the McMurry lineup is up.

In the top of the 8th, McM gets a leadoff walk (Nathan Love).  Nathan Saltzgaber struck out.  On a grounder to short by Lips, Love is out on the force, but causes the SS to overthrow the play at first.  Lips is awarded second when the ball sticks in the fence.  Lips scored on single by Mullin.  Derrick then singles and McMurry is running Mullin who is thrown out at third.  Score is tied at 2.  Bottom of the 8th.


UTT 8th
Delaiden flies to center.  Harding singles to left. Harding steals second and moves to third on the grounder to short.  The UTT announcer comments how the third baseman was fighting the sun.  Hodges grounds sharply towards third that takes a bad hop on the 3B.  That error allows Harding to score.   UTT leads 3-2.


Top of the 9th.

PH Baker draws a BB.  Ziegler relieves Rozelle.  (Ziegler has a WHIP of 0.808, 15 hits and 6 BBs in 26 innings.)  Jackson singles to center.  Morris advances the runners with a great bunt right in front of the plate.  Franco to pinch hit  -- Intentionial BB.  Nathan Love up with the bases loaded.  Jordan Brown to pinch run for Franco.  Paige Hodges makes an error on Love's ground ball, bases loaded one out and tied.  Nathan Salzgaber to bat. He strikes out.  Lips is called out on strikes to end the inning tied at 3.



UTT bottom of the ninth. 

Gaona on the mound for McMurry.

Joe Towns on first on a E5. Pinch runner.  Newell at bat SAC bunt to 3rd.  Skeen at bat, RBI single to left,  unearned run.  UTT wins 4-3.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 25, 2009, 08:39:21 PM
The East has shown their resiliency today with UT Tyler (and possibly UT Dallas) both fighting back from 1-0 deficits.

Some really good games so far this weekend.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on April 25, 2009, 08:51:42 PM
Yesterday we were thinking an all West final (possibly), but looks what a day mades - only one team from the west is in for sure - HSU will need some real heroics to get two west teams to Mississippi...

Congrats to both UTT and MCM - MCM battled long and hard - Sorry to see them done...

TLU vs UTT first game - predictions?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 25, 2009, 09:28:04 PM
UTT had for the first time added video to its sound so you can actually watch the game on line. Really could only see the infield but I thought it was great. 

Booher and Wolfe stepped up when they needed to the most today. It was a nail biter in the 9th of the second game with the bases loaded and only one out. McM had a chance to deliver a big inning but Ziegler was up to the challenge with two big strike outs. He was hitting 93 on the radar gun with an 83 mph slider - nasty.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 25, 2009, 10:14:07 PM
McMurry added video earlier in the season.

Anyone else doing video?

I know that McMurry, HSU, TLU, SRSU and occasionally HPU do audio in the West and UTD, UT and Miss College have done audio of baseball in the East.

Whom am I missing?  CTX?  UMHB?  ETBU?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 25, 2009, 10:18:26 PM
UTD wins the double header at HSU winning the second game 19-11. In this series no team scored less than 11 runs in any of the 3 games. The wind at HSU causes the ball to fly and all of these games were slug fests. Pitchers had to check their egos.

So the east ends up with 3 teams as UTT and UTD come back today with big double header wins after falling behind 0-1 yesterday. I am not sure how the matchups will end up. MC is the east top seed and TLU was top in the West. UTT was second seed in the East and UTD was 3rd in the East. I assume that MC plays UTD and TLU plays UTT in the first round.

Should be interesting. I have not seen TLU this year so I don't know much about them. They will be facing Holland which has been UTT best pitcher this year with Ziegler as the closer. When Holland has lost it is because of a pitchers duel like in the game against McM. He lost because of a lack of run support not because a bad outing. I expect him to pitch well against TLU whether they can score runs to support him will be the issue.  

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on April 25, 2009, 10:32:07 PM
Great comeback for UTT to take 2 games today.  I honestly did not think they had it in them after what happened yesterday and the previous weekend vs MC. 

But, I have to give the team credit.  They reached down and gutted it out when it mattered most.  McM looks like it might have taken game 2 off, but game 3 was very good from both sides.  Good series, lets see if UTT can carry this momentum into the 2nd round.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 25, 2009, 11:08:11 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on April 22, 2009, 09:59:59 PM
Predictions for the first round, using pythagorean winning percentages (in parentheses) as a guide.

Texas Lutheran (.769) over Ozarks (.374) in two
Texas-Tyler (.769) over McMurry (.713) in three
Texas-Dallas (.751) over Hardin-Simmons (.563) in two
Mississippi College (.626) over Mary-Hardin-Baylor (.639) in three

Reality:

Texas Lutheran over Ozarks in two
Texas-Tyler over McMurry in three
Texas-Dallas over Hardin-Simmons in three
Mississippi College over Mary Hardin-Baylor in two

Got all four winners and two of four lengths. Not too bad for 15 minutes of number crunching. :P Predictions for the next pair of games:

Texas-Tyler over Texas Lutheran (I'm favoring UTT's pitching in what is otherwise a dead heat)
Texas-Dallas over Mississippi College

Aw, heck, let's go all the way. :P

Texas Lutheran over Mississippi College (MC eliminated)
Texas-Tyler over Texas-Dallas
Texas Lutheran over Texas-Dallas (UTD eliminated)
Texas-Tyler over Texas Lutheran (TLU eliminated, UTT goes dancing)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 25, 2009, 11:14:36 PM
Quote from: tloc14 on April 25, 2009, 10:32:07 PM
Great comeback for UTT to take 2 games today.  I honestly did not think they had it in them after what happened yesterday and the previous weekend vs MC. 

But, I have to give the team credit.  They reached down and gutted it out when it mattered most.  McM looks like it might have taken game 2 off, but game 3 was very good from both sides.  Good series, lets see if UTT can carry this momentum into the 2nd round.
I thought that the key to Game 2 was in the  McMurry 3rd.  UTT was leading 2-0.  Morris led off with a single out of the #7 hole.  D. Salzgaber hit a line shot down the first base line that Joe Towns snagged, walked 3 steps and tagged the base for a DP.  McMurry came back for 2 more hits. If that line drive goes down the line for extra bases, then McMurry is back into the game.  

Lemire's 2-run HR in the 5th drives Curry from the mound, UTT up 6-nothing, and Booher is in control.

They were getting to Booher in the 3rd inning.  He had his stuff for the rest of the 4-hit shut out.  
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BaseballFreak on April 26, 2009, 09:24:18 AM
I love the talk all year has been the West is great and the East is weak.  Didn't pan out that way.

UTT's pitching really stepped up this weekend.  4 earned runs in 3 games.  Super job!

Where does Concordia look for their next coach?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 26, 2009, 09:38:56 AM
Welcome aboard, baseball freak!

As for pitching in the HSU-UTD game, the only thing that comes to mind at HSU when the wind is blowing out is "father pitch".   ;)


http://www.hsuathletics.com/sports/m-basebl/2008-09/news/UTD_DH
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 26, 2009, 01:52:13 PM
Quote from: BaseballFreak on April 26, 2009, 09:24:18 AM
Where does Concordia look for their next coach?

I dunno. Maybe they give the job to Coach Meyer.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 26, 2009, 10:58:11 PM
I have totally missed this, but UT Dallas has won 14 of their last 15 games, and why hasnt anyone been talking about Jared Smith? The guy is putting up Derek David type numbers from last year, and could surpass them with a good weekend next weekend. I was shocked no one is talking about him.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 26, 2009, 11:58:27 PM
UTD has a powerful middle of the lineup. The issue for them this year has been a lack of pitching. They do not have a real go to guy and have been winning with offense.  I believe they have to play MC in the first game and MC has had good pitching and are playing at home. So that makes it tough on the Comets.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on April 27, 2009, 01:59:07 AM
Meyer resigned before the season started. I think that highly doubtful
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on April 27, 2009, 07:28:41 AM
Quote from: dp643 on April 26, 2009, 10:58:11 PM
I have totally missed this, but UT Dallas has won 14 of their last 15 games, and why hasnt anyone been talking about Jared Smith? The guy is putting up Derek David type numbers from last year, and could surpass them with a good weekend next weekend. I was shocked no one is talking about him.

That is a good point. The MC/UTD game will matchup the ASC's two hottest teams and two of the leading candidates for ASC East Division Player of the Year, both left fielders. But for that matter, all four teams have been relatively hot and have dominant players.

MC has won 14 of 16 and Bo Bell has been great. (.437 ba, 12 hr, 67 rbi, .543 obp, 1.365 ops)

UTD has won 14 of 15 and Jared Smith has been on fire. (.387, 23 hr, 71 rbi, .505 obp, 1.374 ops) You also have to mention UTD's Cody Ross who is batting .435 with 21 doubles, 15 HR and 64 RBI.

TLU has won 13 of 15 and Jeremy Macklin has had a great season. (.463, 11 hr, 65 rbi, 1.319 ops). Macklin has also dominated on the mound. (6-1, 1.17 era)

Bell went 4-7 with a HR and 6 RBI in the two game sweep of UMHB. Smith was 8-14 with 4 HR and 9 RBI in the three games against HSU. Macklin didn' have a great series at the plate against Ozarks, but he did have a 4-hit shutout with 12 K's.

UT-Tyler doesn't have any one position player who jumps off the page, but they have a more balanced offense.

It should be a great tournament.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: atlas385 on April 27, 2009, 09:20:22 AM
Rumor has it that they already have a coach in waiting, will probably announced by end of week. Possibly a former MLB player...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 27, 2009, 09:33:03 AM
I think it will be interesting to see who TLU starts in game one against UT Tyler. I think they would be nuts to not throw Macklin with how good he has been down the stretch. I think Tyler and Lutheran are the only two teams with enough pitching to win the tournament out of the LOSERS bracket. But I could be wrong, I thought we would see at least 3 teams from the west in the final four as well.

Good luck to the remaining teams.

PS, Mississippi College were good hosts this past weekend.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on April 27, 2009, 02:41:32 PM
I saw that Hendrix won the SCAC title this last weekend.  Millsaps will likely get an atlarge bid.  I am not sure what region they would get the atlarge from though.  I guess they could end up in the south or west, but that just means there are less atlarges out there to grab.  I still think UTT needs to win the tourney or atleast reach the championship game to get in.  Everyone else needs to win it in order to advance.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 27, 2009, 06:41:10 PM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on April 27, 2009, 01:59:07 AM
Meyer resigned before the season started. I think that highly doubtful

Ah, did not know that.  :P

Time for more lists! Top 10 hitters in the conference by MLVr (basically how many runs they produced over a theoretical bench player), then the top 10 hitters remaining in the tournament.

Name, Team - MLVr
1. Javier Arrieta, SRSU - 42.1
2. Cody Ross, UTD - 37.4
3. Jeremy Macklin, TLU - 35.2
4. Tom Williams, CTX - 32.7
5. Bo Bell, MC - 32.1
6. Jared Smith, UTD - 31.5
7. Joseph Villegas, UMHB - 31.1
8. Ed Hurta, LETU - 30.1
9. Tre Lips, MCM - 26.8
10. Jake Mullin, MCM - 26.5

Name, Team - MLVr
1. Cody Ross, UTD - 37.4
2. Jeremy Macklin, TLU - 35.2
3. Bo Bell, MC - 32.1
4. Jared Smith, UTD - 31.5
5. Brannon Walls, MC - 26.1
6. Kyle Harvey, TLU - 24.5
7. Ryan Nokelby, TLU - 22.7
8. Brock LeMire, UTT - 19.8
9. Joe Towns, UTT - 19.5
10. Jeremy Harding, UTT - 19.2
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 27, 2009, 11:04:57 PM
Analysis of statistics is a time honored hobby of baseball enthusiasts. Based on that I took a quick look at the upcoming game between TLU and UTT and found some similarities.

I took the projected starting batting orders based on who played in the last playoff seriers and then looked at the season stats. Total HR for both teams is even at 49. Maklin and Farr for TLU each have 11 with Harvey contributing 8. For UTT Daleiden, Lemire and Towns each have 10 and Harding has 9.

In Runs Scored UTT has 342 from the projected starters and TLU has 334. They are similarly close in RBIs with UTT at 315 and TLU with 305.

The only big difference is in BA. As a group the lowest BA on the starting 9 for UTT is its leadoff hitter Kendall Fox who is batting .329. TLU has 6 starters with a lower batting average than Fox and 3 hitting under .300.  However, the highest BA on UTT is Harding with a .405 but TLU has Maklin at .453 and Nokelby at .415.  UTT appears to spread its runs and RBIs out where TLU produces its runs and RBIs from the middle of its order.

Pitchign wise both teams have a good ace with Holland from UTT and Orosey from TLU. TLU also has developed Maklin as a solid #2 and may use him out of the pen to close out the game against UTT if they have the lead late. UTT has Zielger as a true closer. 

So this looks like a toss up on offense and pitching. It may come down to defense and situational hitting. Somewhere during the game there will be a critical situation with two outs and runners in scoring position the team that gets the clutch hit will win. I expect it to be close all the way.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 28, 2009, 01:42:49 PM
As far as offense goes, I'd be more interested in the respective lineups' OBP and SLG than in AVG, HR, Runs, and RBI. Don't have time to do the numbers at the momen, but I don't know that I'd be using the same players anyway.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on April 28, 2009, 03:44:05 PM
CTX replacement is rumored Tommy Boggs who runs the Austin Slam, But nothing in writing yet.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 28, 2009, 05:36:04 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on April 28, 2009, 01:42:49 PM
As far as offense goes, I'd be more interested in the respective lineups' OBP and SLG than in AVG, HR, Runs, and RBI. Don't have time to do the numbers at the momen, but I don't know that I'd be using the same players anyway.

I had the stats so here they are:

UTT            OBP            SLG                              TLU                 OBP           SLG
Fox            .487            .370                             Harvey          .470            .657
Daleiden    .404            .582                             Femath         .425            .433
Harding      .442            .577                            Nokelby         .500            .623
Hood          .425           .567                             Maklin            .505            .813
Hodges      .371            .531                            Farr                .411            .562
Lemire        .451           .639                             Miller              .372            .521
Towns        .430            .660                            Childress        .314            .385
Newell        .450            .493                            Siniff               .304            .301
Skeen         .452            .584                            Green             .439            .458

Team Fielding %  .969                                      Team Fielding % .952   
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 28, 2009, 05:48:37 PM
UTT and TLU top 4 pitchers


UTT                  ERA        W-L       IP        SO
Holland          2.49        9-4        76       106
Booher           2.90        9-0        59        44
Wolfe             3.65        5-1        52.1     52
Ziegler           1.67        3.1         27        47


TLU                ERA          W-L        IP        SO
Orosey         3.54          10-1       84        81
Steinert        4.12           3-1        54.2     37
Maklin           1.19          6-1         38.1     37
Hembee        2.70          2-0         23.1     12


Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on April 28, 2009, 10:39:52 PM
I'll take UTT over TLU. Playing with a big chip on their shoulder after stumbling last year.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: royhobbs on April 29, 2009, 02:39:25 PM
Good pitching and defense over hitting? Should be a great matchup. If UTT loses, they may make a regional somewhere else, but what about the other ASC teams?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on May 01, 2009, 01:28:45 AM
Quote from: dp643 on April 27, 2009, 09:33:03 AM
I think Tyler and Lutheran are the only two teams with enough pitching to win the tournament out of the LOSERS bracket.

I agree with this statement. I also think that the winner of this first game wins the whole thing. There are so many factors at play that it's hard to really predict the beast that is the ASC.

In previous years, Miss has been really, really good at home.

If UTD gets hot you might have to score 12+ runs to beat them.

At this point, there's a lot of things you can't account for: experience, resiliency , great coaching, etc. It's impossible to quantify these games with numbers.

Best of luck to all the teams involved!

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 01, 2009, 01:38:49 AM
Quote from: royhobbs on April 29, 2009, 02:39:25 PM
Good pitching and defense over hitting? Should be a great matchup. If UTT loses, they may make a regional somewhere else, but what about the other ASC teams?
If UTT goes 2 and barbecue and GFU wins the one game playoff with PLU, then the only at-large bid that the West Region might get might go to PLU.

We may know next Thursday in the final regional rankings.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 01, 2009, 08:31:49 AM
Interesting tidbit: Mississippi College has played the other remaining teams in a best of 3 series already this year. They are 4-5 in those games.

I think it will be interesting to see who they throw out there in game one against UT Dallas. Seaman has been roughed up by UTD, UTT, and TLU this year giving up 16 of his 26 earned runs on the year to these 3 teams. They have to win game one in my opinion to win the tournament because they arent deep enough to have to win 4 games out of the losers bracket. I think they go with Hinson, who has already beaten UTD this year.

With that, I think MC beats UTD.

The rest of the tournament:

Orosey outduels Holland : TLU wins

UTD vs UTT: UTT wins on Booher's shoulders
TLU vs MC: Macklin stays stellar, sending TLU to the finals
MC vs UTT: UTT edges the host to get back to face TLU

TLU vs UTT: Steinert needs to get the rock for TLU in this game. If they do that I think TLU wins and gets the regional bid. If they start Staggs or Hull this will go to another game.

If it goes the distance I think Tyler has the advantage and wins their first ASC tournament.

Any comments?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 01, 2009, 04:46:33 PM
The UTT TLU game is going on now.  How about this for great baseball.

Look at this TLU bottom of the 2nd with Holland on the mound.

Clean up batter Macklin at bat walks on a 3-2 count.

BBBKFFFFFB


Macklin goes to 2nd on a balk

Farr grounded out 4-3 on a 3-2 count (SKBBB) Macklin to 3rd.

Cody Miller Sac Fly to RF on a 1-2 count  (BSKFFF) Macklin scored

Childress grounds out 5-3.

1 run, no hits, no errors, no LOB!

UTT 1 (on a Hodges solo HR to RF) TLU 1, in the TLU bottom of the 3rd!

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 01, 2009, 04:56:11 PM
Couple of errors by Hodges for UTT, he should be familiar with playing on that field shouldnt he?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on May 01, 2009, 05:08:39 PM
Quote from: dp643 on May 01, 2009, 04:56:11 PM
Couple of errors by Hodges for UTT, he should be familiar with playing on that field shouldnt he?

Physical errors are inevitable, and correct me if I'm wrong, but Hodges played 2nd at Miss.

What there's no excuse for is mental errors ala Daleiden getting doubled off, and (from what it sounds like) his error was a result of being complacent and not getting in front of the ball.


JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 01, 2009, 05:33:08 PM
Last year Hodges played 3rd and C for MC.

Not listening to the game because I am at work, but I will tell you this doesnt sound like the UT Tyler team UMHB played when I went and watched. In 3 games I saw, UTT made Zero, yes, ZERO mistakes, on defense, base running, executing bunts, executing defensive plays, etc. I think we caught them at the wrong time!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on May 01, 2009, 05:55:50 PM
Thanks for the clarification DP.

I haven't heard everything either. Did Tyler just lift Hood for Tucker for the sake of getting a faster pinch runner in the game? Too early to lift one of your best hitters?

Did Towns go down w/ an injury. If not, pulling him for Clifton doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to me either.

I think there .969 Fielding percentage, indicates they RARELY play poor defense DP.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 01, 2009, 06:03:52 PM
I have no idea whats going on. I can tell you Tucker played quite a bit in the UMHB series. He was one of the fastest guys I have seen, but wasnt a very strong hitter. The live stats had him pinch hitting for Jared Hood. Like I said before, I am basing my knowledge of Tyler off of that weekend they played awesome against UMHB. Hood hit 3 homeruns that weekend.  Orosey has a nasty slider though, and putting in a lefty might not be a bad idea.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 01, 2009, 06:09:33 PM
I was thinking of Keenan Duke, not Chris Tucker about the fast lefty. My apologies
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 01, 2009, 06:25:41 PM
6-4 in favor of TLU in the top of 9th but UTT has runners on 2nd and third with no outs.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 01, 2009, 06:27:53 PM
UTT scores on a bouncer by FOX who may have got hurt on the play. Runner advanced to 3rd one out. Now 6-5.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 01, 2009, 06:30:27 PM
Harding hits an RBI double off the wall and ties the game 6-6 two outs.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on May 01, 2009, 06:35:22 PM
UT Tyler scores 3 in the top of the 9th to take a 7-6 lead, and I'm sure you'll see Ziegler on for the bottom half of the 9th.

Nope. They're going to stick with Rozell.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 01, 2009, 06:38:27 PM
One thing I didnt account for, Hembree not being very proven out of the pen for TLU. 3-4-5 up for TLU in 9th
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 01, 2009, 06:38:59 PM
UTT takes lead on single and throwing error now 7-6 going into bottom of 9th Rozell on mound not Ziegler?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 01, 2009, 06:43:55 PM
UTT wins on a double play. Bulldogs suffer a disheartening loss with a 2 run lead going into the 9th giving up 3 runs as the bullpen collapses. Rozell gets the save. That means they saved Ziegler who may go 2 innings if needed tomorrow.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 01, 2009, 06:45:11 PM
Correction Ziegler gets the win not a save.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 01, 2009, 06:45:35 PM
DUH I meant Rozell
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on May 01, 2009, 06:50:42 PM
TexasBB

Don't be scared to just use the modify feature on your posts instead of a new post for all of that. ;-)




Just a very speculative what if question. If you're TLU, can you justify bringing Macklin on to try and close the 9th and then still start him in game 2?

Is that very short-sighted thinking or do you go for broke knowing that if you can get Games 1 and 2 someone has to beat you twice (and aside from maybe Tyler the depth on the mound in the ASC hasn't been very strong this year.)

I'm not really questioning the decision as Hembree's been solid for the Bulldogs down the stretch (.238 avg against in conference play.)

Just curious what other baseball savvy minds may or may not do in that situation.

JSG


Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 01, 2009, 06:57:56 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on May 01, 2009, 06:50:42 PM
TexasBB

Don't be scared to just use the modify feature on your posts instead of a new post for all of that. ;-)




Just a very speculative what if question. If you're TLU, can you justify bringing Macklin on to try and close the 9th and then still start him in game 2?

Is that very short-sighted thinking or do you go for broke knowing that if you can get Games 1 and 2 someone has to beat you twice (and aside from maybe Tyler the depth on the mound in the ASC hasn't been very strong this year.)

I'm not really questioning the decision as Hembree's been solid for the Bulldogs down the stretch (.238 avg against in conference play.)

Just curious what other baseball savvy minds may or may not do in that situation.

JSG
Great question...

Does his arm have it in him?  How many pitches are you going for?  Do you add today's pitch count to tomorrow's?

2-run lead with no out and a runner at second?

I think that I do.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on May 01, 2009, 07:08:38 PM
Game photos from TLU / UT-TYler.
http://gochoctaws.com/photo_gallery.aspx?gallery=10
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 01, 2009, 08:55:00 PM
That is what I expected. In an earlier post I said I thought they would bring Macklin in to close it out to get the win. If he only works one inning I don't think it really impacts him much for tomorrow. But I was just as surprised that UTT brought back Tommy Rozell for the bottom of the 9th to face the meat of TLUs batting order.

I thought one of the strenghts this season of the UTT team was solid defense but today they looked like the worst fielding team in the conference. To overcome 6 errors was amazing. The problem with errors is that they get into your head and you start thinking about avoiding them instead of attacking the baseball when you field it. Sitting back and letting the ball play you instead of taking command and playing the ball. It will be interesting to see what happens in tomorrows game. Do the errors continue or is there a correction. UTT has won with big ininnings late in games several times this year. I knew this game would be tight and said that it would come down to clutch hitting and it did. Last week in the first game against McM, UTT could not get a clutch hit and had 14 baserunners stranded. Today they overcame the huge defensive and offensive baserunning mistakes with late clutch hits.

I guess I need to learn the modify feature.

Texas BB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 01, 2009, 09:29:49 PM
Although it is still early MC has jumped out to a 5-0 lead over UTD after 3. UTD has not had good pitching this year and won the series last week by just outhittng HSU in a wind assisted ballpark. MC has played very good baseball the last month and it is continuing. Herrin is thowing a shutout so far. If this continues then MC will play UTT once again in a pivital game but this time on their home field. Lets see if UTD can get the bats going and figure out how to slow down the MC offense.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 01, 2009, 10:26:17 PM
MC has the game totally under controll with a 10-0 lead in the 7th. Hinson has allowed only 3 hits.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on May 01, 2009, 10:36:17 PM
If I have a shutdown guy that can come in and stop the bleeding for an inning, you better believe I put him in in the 9th.  No doubt that Macklin could have thrown 1 inning and been completely fine the next day.  Even if he throws alot of pitches (30 or so), thats nothing more than a good bullpen session.  Would not affect him the next day at all.

However, if the 9th finished tied, you probably have to bring in a different pitcher and put Macklin back in the field.  Dont want to completely burn your #2 starter on the first day...but one inning would not do that. 

As far as the pinch running substitutions early, you might contribute some coaching nervs with that.  Vilade has never won a conference tourney, and the Patriots were playing like garbage early in this game.  I have  feeling he was making subs in part because he wanted to get something started within his team.....and the other part was that he probably was hammering the panic button.  Haha, I dont blame him tho.  The winner of that game is in a much better situation than the loser.

Hopefully the errors were just some jitters for the Patriots.  They have been playing soundly all season long, now is NOT the time to lose focus.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on May 01, 2009, 11:03:16 PM
Game photos from the MC / UT-Dallas game.
http://gochoctaws.com/photo_gallery.aspx?gallery=11
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on May 01, 2009, 11:10:54 PM
The replacements of Hood and Towns were due to injury. Hood has been nursing a bad knee (ACL) and Towns twisted an ankle or strained a knee. I believe he was on crutches after the game.

Orosey could have finished the game.  Macklin most certainly could have come in for a single inning or to get one or  two outs.  

The real question is what do you do now.  Macklin can't pitch the rest of the tourney and you need his bat  in the line up.  How far do you let him go tomorrow - likey against UTD? I would go with him as long and the game is close. If TLU can put runs on the board early, and can save Macklin for a few innings either in the nightcap or the next day we may have a chance to get back to the finals.  Not a lot more to be said, we should have won today, but we now just got to play...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on May 01, 2009, 11:31:39 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on May 01, 2009, 05:55:50 PM
I think there .969 Fielding percentage, indicates they RARELY play poor defense DP.

Defense isn't not messing up once you get to the ball; defense is turning balls in play into outs. Fielding percentage doesn't measure that. It just measures how often a team/player messes up when they do manage to get to the ball. This is how everyone in the conference measures up by defensive efficiency (the rate at which they turn balls in play into outs).

Team - Defensive Efficiency
1. Texas Lutheran - .637
2. Texas-Tyler - .634
3. Mississippi College - .621
4. Mary Hardin-Baylor - .621
5. McMurry - .617
6. LeTourneau - .605
7. Texas-Dallas - .603
8. Louisiana College - .597
9. Hardin-Simmons - .590
10. Concordia-Texas - .588
11. Ozarks - .586
12. Schreiner - .583
13. East Texas Baptist - .568
14. Sul Ross State - .559
15. Howard Payne - .547

So, yeah, Texas-Tyler is a really good defensive team compared to the rest of the conference, but not because they only mess up 3.1% of the time when they get to the ball. It's because they turn 63.4% of all balls in play into outs.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on May 01, 2009, 11:48:12 PM
Quote from: Dawgsdad on May 01, 2009, 11:10:54 PM
The replacements of Hood and Towns were due to injury. Hood has been nursing a bad knee (ACL) and Towns twisted an ankle or strained a knee. I believe he was on crutches after the game.

Orosey could have finished the game.  Macklin most certainly could have come in for a single inning or to get one or  two outs.  

Thanks for the insight into both Hood and Towns. Unfortunate to see two very good players go down for the Patriots.

As far as the other, they're speculations. Certainly they're based on your knowledge of the game, and what you felt those players were capable of doing based on what you were witnessing and what their history indicated they would do. We can second guess all we want (and that's part of this game, it's what makes it fun for the spectator.)

The reality of it is that we're not watching Bill Miller, Walt Driggers, and Mike Gardner coaching in their 15th playoff season anymore. And maybe that has nothing to do with any of this.

Personally, from the comfort of my couch at home, I probably would've thrown Macklin. He's a veteran leader and chances are he'd get the job done. Orosey's been nails all year, but his pitch count was up there.

Both coaching staffs weighed all the factors and the made the decisions they felt would give their team the best opportunity to win. Who knows what any of us would've done in that situation.

As for moving forward - you just evaluate your situation one inning at a time. Try to win every inning, locate every pitch, connect with every 'pitch to hit,' and let the game run it's course.

Are UTD and TLU in a world of trouble right now because of the way the the bracket plays out? Sure, but that's what makes this game fun to watch - it's time to create your own compelling story.

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on May 01, 2009, 11:56:33 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on May 01, 2009, 11:31:39 PM

Team - Defensive Efficiency
1. Texas Lutheran - .637
2. Texas-Tyler - .634
3. Mississippi College - .621

So, yeah, Texas-Tyler is a really good defensive team compared to the rest of the conference, but not because they only mess up 3.1% of the time when they get to the ball. It's because they turn 63.4% of all balls in play into outs.

Do you think these stats indicate that defense wins championships?

I've a huge proponent of sabremetrics to evaluate the game. I've read Bill James, Rob Neyer, Nate Silver (and I'll spare everyone the name dropping)...

I've said before, I love the stats you bring to this forum. I think they're a great value add, and this particular set is rather telling.

That said, there are other things we can't discount. If a guy has a career fielding percentage of .875 is it safe to say that he's not a great fielder? He may even get to more balls than the others and make more plays on those... but if he's fielding at an .875 clip. Eh.

Sometimes stats tell the whole story. Sometimes they tell you Kevin Youkilis and his ability to average a ridiculous amount of pitches per at-bat is going to have a high OBP, but sometimes you can make them tell you whatever you want.

There's TONS of components to the game, and sometimes the intangibles matter as much as anything.  Thanks for all you do providing awesome statistics that enable us to glean more insight into these teams and the players that represent them.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 02, 2009, 12:01:47 AM
It's good to have CUAfan back!  :)  +1!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: royhobbs on May 02, 2009, 12:02:27 AM
You guys do a great job putting these numbers together, I think they're great reading. The ASC has some great players and big time stats. Awesome playoff series this year!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 02, 2009, 12:17:12 AM
I thought MC would throw Hinson tonight.

Going back to Macklin throwing tonight in the 9th. I think I disagree. Hembree is the closer, and has been fairly effective given his stats. If you cant count on him to win in that situation, then whats the point in having him as the closer? Instead of throwing Macklin in there in the 9th, I would have gone with Hembree to start the 9th. Then again thats just me, and Orosey had retired the 8th in order. They were obviously on a short leash with him in the 9th with pulling him after the leadoff double, so why not just go straight to Hembree in the first place?

There is no question that Macklin probably could have come in there and closed it out, but I wouldnt do it at the expense of wasting a single pitch for tomorow, especially when you have as much confidence as you do in your closer's ability.

All this speculation is fun.

Now the real kicker is going to be who MC throws against UTT. Do they go with Seaman or Craven? Im going to step out on  a limb and say Craven because they think they can hit Booher.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 02, 2009, 12:23:41 AM
Another interesting note:

Mississippi College is destroying the ASC record for team stolen bases in a season this year. They stole 9 I believe tonight vs UTD.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on May 02, 2009, 02:33:48 AM
I dont know who MC will throw vs UTT.  Seaman is the obvious choice because he has thrown well all season except for a couple games....one of those games was a 10-0 win by UTT in which Booher pitched for UTT.  I wouldnt say MC has confidence in putting runs up against Booher, but I would say that they have confidence in Seaman.  Hell, he has thrown 2 no-hitters this season.

I was not aware of the injury situation at UTT.  That is very unfortunate indeed.  I know that Towns had a knee problem a couple years ago, and that kept him out of an entire season.  Hopefully neither of the injuries are severe.

When I commented on Vilade's decision making, I simply put myself into his shoes (tho I didnt know about the injuries obviously).  I know I would have been chomping at the bit to get some drive and passion out of my team.  After losing a huge series vs MC 2 weeks ago, then having to come back from behind to win the McM series, I would have been throwing a fit watching my team play so poorly.  6 errors!!!??  And some stupid base running?   I would have blown up and replaced everyone in the lineup.

Luckily, Holland is a great pitcher and kept the team in the game.  And, I have to give it to Rozell.  He shook off a couple poor outings and threw clutch innings tonight.

The UTT-MC game will probably be close.  Just like the UTT-TLU game.  I have a feeling TLU is going to blow out UTD, and then have some serious momentum going into their 3rd game, so the loser of the UTT-MC game might be in trouble.

This tourney is turing out to be very entertaining indeed.   ;D
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on May 02, 2009, 02:38:55 AM
Quote from: CUAfan on May 01, 2009, 11:31:39 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on May 01, 2009, 05:55:50 PM
I think there .969 Fielding percentage, indicates they RARELY play poor defense DP.

Defense isn't not messing up once you get to the ball; defense is turning balls in play into outs. Fielding percentage doesn't measure that. It just measures how often a team/player messes up when they do manage to get to the ball. This is how everyone in the conference measures up by defensive efficiency (the rate at which they turn balls in play into outs).

Team - Defensive Efficiency
1. Texas Lutheran - .637
2. Texas-Tyler - .634
3. Mississippi College - .621
4. Mary Hardin-Baylor - .621
5. McMurry - .617
6. LeTourneau - .605
7. Texas-Dallas - .603
8. Louisiana College - .597
9. Hardin-Simmons - .590
10. Concordia-Texas - .588
11. Ozarks - .586
12. Schreiner - .583
13. East Texas Baptist - .568
14. Sul Ross State - .559
15. Howard Payne - .547

So, yeah, Texas-Tyler is a really good defensive team compared to the rest of the conference, but not because they only mess up 3.1% of the time when they get to the ball. It's because they turn 63.4% of all balls in play into outs.


Very interesting stats.  Look at the top teams in that category, then look at the top 8 teams in conference.  Some notable similarities.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on May 02, 2009, 12:13:31 PM
Well, considering the league as a whole had a fielding percentage of .952, with UTT leading at .966 and HPU at the back with .939, the general sense that I get is that by and large most players are about even in their ability to avoid mistakes when they get to the ball (though of course there are outliers in both directions).

The biggest thing that jumps out to me, personally, is just how bipolar (tripolar?) CTX was this year. They had one of the best pitching staffs in the conference, but they couldn't hit and they couldn't field...and those pitchers can't strike everybody out.

You find the same 3-4 teams in the top 5-6 in pretty much any meaningful statistical ranking in the conference, I think. The best teams will, of course, put up the best numbers for the most part. This is why, based on their run differential, I think MC is a little overrated compared to TLU and UTT.

What I'd really like to do is figure out an efficient way of calculating park factors for all the home parks in the conference. Going box score by box score really doesn't strike me as an efficient way of doing it, but it might be the only option available if/when I ever get around to doing it (probably not until next off-season when CTX actually has a home field again).
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on May 02, 2009, 05:02:28 PM
Well I was completely wrong again.  I thought TLU would come out and bully UTD after what MC did to the Comets, but it did not turn out that way.  UTD won 10-7 in 10innings.

This eliminates TLU and guarantees an ASC champion from the East side for the first time in a long time.

UTD does not have the arms to win out from the losers bracket, but their lineup is dangerous.  If their bats get hot and stay hot, they very well could slug their way to the championship.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 02, 2009, 05:15:17 PM
UTD was able to save their pitchers as they went8.1 with Dinwiddie and Thompson went 1.2 in relief and got the win. I was somewhat surprised that UTD got to Macklin who had been lights out going into the tournament. He went 7 innings but gave up 5 earned runs on 11 hits and walked 4. UTD can hit but were shut out the night before by MC on a 3 hitter. This tournament has surprised me a bit so far. MC is playing real good and have the edge over their two east division opponents having beaten them both over the last two weekends. But you still have to play the games so we shall see. The two injuries to UTT will take some punch out of their lineup but they still have a potent offense. The key will be pitching and defense again against MC.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 02, 2009, 07:28:54 PM
Miss College 12, UTT 4, bottom of the UTT 7th.

MC 15-4 over UTT, run-ruled after 8.

UTT to face UTD in loser's bracket game #5

That had to be fun for Miss College.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on May 02, 2009, 08:24:17 PM
Pretty bad loss there for the Patriots.....I doubt many pool C teams get run ruled.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 02, 2009, 08:31:59 PM
Quote from: tloc14 on May 02, 2009, 08:24:17 PM
Pretty bad loss there for the Patriots.....I doubt many pool C teams get run ruled.
The Choctaws got to Booher early.

The critical stat that I see concerning UTT and Pool C is the fact that UTT will have gone either 1-2, 2-2 and 3-2 in the ASC tourney.  Those losses bring down the In-region won-loss record.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 02, 2009, 09:01:44 PM
Top of the UTT 1st, Fox is HBP and then gets doubled off by UTD catcher Hudec at 1B.  0 runs 0 hits 0 LOB  no score.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3baseballnut on May 02, 2009, 09:06:25 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 02, 2009, 08:31:59 PM
Quote from: tloc14 on May 02, 2009, 08:24:17 PM
Pretty bad loss there for the Patriots.....I doubt many pool C teams get run ruled.
The Choctaws got to Booher early.

The critical stat that I see concerning UTT and Pool C is the fact that UTT will have gone either 1-2, 2-2 and 3-2 in the ASC tourney.  Those losses bring down the In-region won-loss record.

It does so with any Pool C team because almost every pool C team loses their conference tournament with 2 losses....i dont see how this hurts UTT more than any other Pool C team unless we are being unfairly tough on them...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 02, 2009, 09:44:07 PM
Quote from: d3baseballnut on May 02, 2009, 09:06:25 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 02, 2009, 08:31:59 PM
Quote from: tloc14 on May 02, 2009, 08:24:17 PM
Pretty bad loss there for the Patriots.....I doubt many pool C teams get run ruled.
The Choctaws got to Booher early.

The critical stat that I see concerning UTT and Pool C is the fact that UTT will have gone either 1-2, 2-2 and 3-2 in the ASC tourney.  Those losses bring down the In-region won-loss record.

It does so with any Pool C team because almost every pool C team loses their conference tournament with 2 losses....i dont see how this hurts UTT more than any other Pool C team unless we are being unfairly tough on them...


True.  However, its not just that they lost, its how they lost and how they have played thus far in the tournament.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 02, 2009, 11:15:13 PM
UTT 4, UTD 3; UTD batting in the bottom of the 8th.

Final UTT 4, UTD 3.  UTD is eliminated.  Ziegler gets the win n 2.2 innings of relef for Lex Wolfe.  Chelakis gets the loss for the Comets.

Jared Hood has 2 HRs and 3 RBI's  for UTT.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3baseballnut on May 02, 2009, 11:25:39 PM
whatever.....UTT should be in.....the committee will do whatever it wants though.....you cant tell me UTT's division was weak this year bc both teams in the championship are in their division......go ahead and put the entire NJAC in with 20-16 records.....we are all getting used to it....
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 02, 2009, 11:41:56 PM
UTT wins 4-3 as Zielger struck out the last 2. But he went 3 and is likely burned for tomorrow.

I had said earlier if UTT could make it to the finals they shoud get at Pool C bid. I don't give them much of a chance tomorrow against MC as their best pitchers are all used up and they have a banged up team. But the battled from behind twice in this tournament and showed come back ability last week against McM. They have a deserving team for a pool C bid IMO.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on May 03, 2009, 12:10:44 AM
Good win tonight for UTT.  Showed some guts coming back and winning.

@d3baseballnut  -  Im not ripping on UTT in any way.  In fact, I am a UTT alum.  I am trying to be as honest about the situation as I can be.  They have not been playing their best recently, and have had some key losses.  The point I was trying to make earlier was that I think they gave up vs MC earlier today.  Championship teams do not give up.  Now, they came back and showed heart against UTD, so thats great.  They will likely get in the Regional Tourney now that they reached the final day.....the only thing that will keep them out IMO is if they come out and lay down again.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 03, 2009, 01:11:21 PM
Mississippi is getting the weather we had yesterday in Dallas. The forecast is for heavy rain all day. So it would appear that the Championship game/games will be postponed until Monday - assuming things are dry enough by then. If the rain is real heavy the field conditions might not be playable until Tuesday which would give the pitching staffs an extra day of rest.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on May 03, 2009, 01:44:47 PM
If today's games get rained out (it appears likely) and the MC field is too wet for play tomorrow, I wonder if they would move the championship game to Smith-Wills stadium in Jackson, MS? A former minor league park for the Mets and Astros, the field is now a totally artificial turf surface and was the site of the recent SCAC Tournament.  If available, it seems like that would be a better alternative than waiting until Tuesday to play.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on May 03, 2009, 02:17:51 PM
A few updates from the tournament. The worst weather should be behind us and we'll try to play tonight if we can. Obviously, an extra day off is a huge break for UT-Tyler in order to rest pitchers. The field had a new drainage system installed two years ago that sucks water out, so the field drains very well, but I haven't been out there to see how much water fell this morning. The plan is to play tonight at 6:00 if we don't get anymore rain.

Jared Hood from UT-Tyler should be mentioned. The kid managed to hit three homeruns yesterday as the DH and looks like Kirk Gibson running the bases. I think I've read here he's playing with an ACL injury, but he's obviously playing with a lot of pain, and playing great. He kept their season alive with 2 homers and 3 RBI's in the 4-3 win last night.

Bo Bell tied the ASC record for RBI's yesterday with his 73rd. The kid has had a great year and had the biggest hit yesterday, a bomb to centerfield that gave MC a 6-4 lead.

TLU's Kyle Harvey set a new stolen base record with is 30th yesterday. MC's Andy Smith still has a shot at him, he's sitting on 27.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 03, 2009, 07:36:19 PM
UTT leads 3-0 in the MissColl top of the 3rd.

UTT 8-0 in the bottom of the 3rd.

At this rate, where will game #7 be played and when?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 03, 2009, 07:58:17 PM
I don't know what it can be but certain teams feast on certain pitchers. Tyler Seaman has thrown 2 no hitters this year but was roughed up by UTT 2 weeks ago and it is happening again today. The Patiots have jumped out to a 8-0 lead after 3 all runs were earned. MC likewise has gotten to Blake Booher in both of his starts agaist MC.  The game is early but UTT needed to play with a lead for once.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 03, 2009, 09:36:03 PM
UTT is coasting in the bottom of the 8th with a 16-2 lead to make up for the one sided 15-4 loss yesterday. So a decisive game will be played immediately after this game. Cambell came in and has pitched great keeping the Choctaws off balance and saving the bullpen.

I have no idea who will pitch the decisive game for either team.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 03, 2009, 10:57:26 PM
The final game is now in the top of the 3rd. No score. Hinson has come back to throw for the Choctaws and Sparks is pitching for UTT. Tyler has 3 hits and MC none so far. The audio is out on the MC site so only have live stats to go by.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 04, 2009, 12:21:21 AM
Bottom of the 7th, no outs runners on 1st and 2nd. MC's Bo Bell coming to the plate.

Ziegler for Sparks.

Walks Bell on four pitches to load them.  #5 batter Reed Prewitt strikes out on a 1-2 count.  Catcher Jacob Daniel up, 2-2 count, a one out 3-run double to right field, the third run scoring on an error by the right fielder.  3-1 MissColl

Crosswhite, RBI single to score Daniel.  UTT gets out of the inning with a 4-6-3 DP.  MC leads 4-1.

Top of the UTT 8th, Craven relieves the Choctaw starter Hinson.  He will face the 3-4-5 batters for UTT.

UTT goes Harding 4-3, Hodges out swinging on a 0-2 count, Lemire out swinging.  Craven threw 8 strikes out of 9 pitches.

Bodree (#9 batter) opens the bottom of the 8th with a single off Zeiger.  Allen walks on a 3-1 count.  Herrin walks on a 3-1 count to load the bases.  Walls strikes out swinging.  Clean-up batter Bell is up.  He strikes out looking on a 3-2 count.  Prewitt is next who pops to 2b for the 3rd out.  MC leads 4-1 going to the 9th.

UTT 9th.  Hood grounds out 4-3.  Skeen flies to RF. Newell doubles to left center.  Ashley singles to SS & advances on an E-6. Newell scores on the error. Ashley is on 2nd, 4-2 Choctaws. Kendall Fox at bat.  Fox singles home Ashley 4-3 Choctaws.  Daleiden up. Prewitt relieves Craven.  Delaiden homers to RF.  UTT 5-4.  Harding walks on a 3-1 count.  Hodges up.  Hodges singles Harding to third and Hodges advances on the throw.  Harding scores on a wild pitch.  UTT 6-4.  Lemire walks on a 3-2 count.  Runners at the corners with 2 outs.  Hood singles to RF, 2 runs score.  UTT 8-4.  Tucker pinch runs for Hood and steals second.  Skeen is up again in the 9th.  Skeen singles up the middle.  Hood tries to score from second and is thrown out 4-2.  Going to the bottom of the 9th UTT 8-4!   7runs  7 hits 1 error 1 LOB, all after 2 outs.

MC bottom of the 9th... Daniel singled to left center. Warren pinch ran for Daniel. C. Lane singles thru right side. Warren to second.  #8 batter Tim Bruss singles and scores Warren, UTT 8-5.  Brett Holland relieves Ziegler.  Bodree hits into FC.  Runners on 1st and 3rd, one out.  Andy Smith grounds into a 1-6-3 DP.

UTT wins 8-5.  Pool C is safe from this part of the country.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on May 04, 2009, 01:40:30 AM
Amazing game!!

I wish I could have been there.  Congrats to UTT on winning the ASC title for the first time.

UTT scored 7 runs with 2 outs in the 9th to turn a 1-4 deficit into a 8-4 lead.  Ziegler obviously was pitching on fumes tonight and simply ran out of stuff in the bottom half.  Holland came into relieve Ziegler with no outs and runners on first and second in an 8-5 game, and got the next two batters to ground out.  The last play was a double play to end the game and the tournament.

Incredible job by both MC and UTT in this last game.  The 3rd and final game the teams played in the tourney against each other lived up to what I had expected between these two.  I thought that MC and UTT were pretty evenly matched, but 15-4 and 16-2 scores in the first two games told a different story.

UTT locks up the automatic bid and their first trip to the regional tournament.  I do not know if any other teams from conference will get a bid.  MC and TLU have the best shots at one...I think if anyone gets a pool C bid it will be MC because they might get an invite to the Southern Regional.  It will be tough tho, especially since Millsaps will likely get an at large bid also.

Great end to a very competitive and well played conference season.  Once again congrats to UTT and Coach Vilade for winning the tournament and the conference title.  Vilade finally got that monkey off his back.  Now it is time to evaluate all the injuries UTT has and see if anything is left in the tank for the next round.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 04, 2009, 01:46:32 AM
No Pool C bids for the ASC.  They only remote chance was for UTT.  Now my money for a West Region Pool C bid goes to the NWC runner-up.

Congrats to UTT!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on May 04, 2009, 01:55:28 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 04, 2009, 01:46:32 AM
No Pool C bids for the ASC.  They only remote chance was for UTT.  Now my money for a West Region Pool C bid goes to the NWC runner-up.

Congrats to UTT!

I agree with you there....very tough way to end the season for MC.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on May 04, 2009, 03:32:27 AM
A couple thoughts on the game since we weren't able to supply audio for the final, but it was unusual circumstances with the games being so late.

I won't mention the first game, just total domination from UT-Tyler. The second was the best game I've seen in person. Sparks was great for UT-Tyler and Brett Hinson allowed just one run in seven innings for MC on one day rest from a 3-hit shutout Friday. Neither team could score. He didn't get the win, but what Hinson did on one day rest was awesome.

Sparks finally ran into trouble in the 7th and was pulled for Ziegler with no outs and runners on 1st and 2nd. Sparks had only allowed two hits at that point. Ziegler walked a guy and struck out a batter to set up bases loaded and one out.  Catcher Jacob Daniel laced a double that cleared the bases and gave MC a 3-1 lead. Clay Crosswhite made it 4-1 with a single. Up to that point MC couldn't buy a hit and Ziegler appeared to be throwing gas, but they finally put together a couple of hits.

Jack Craven came in to pitch for MC after throwing eight innings in the win over UT-Tyler Saturday. He worked a perfect eighth and was throwing very well.

In the bottom of the eighth MC loaded the bases with no outs and 3-4-5 up. Ziegler got out of it with no runs and you had the feeing it could come back to bite MC.

With Craven still on the mound MC twice got down to a final strike with nobody on base and a 4-1 lead. On one of the final strike pitches, the UT-Tyler player just barely tipped the ball. Craven was throwing great but we couldn't get a final strike, and we had a few chances to make a play in the field but just couldn't make the final out. Kendall Fox had a great  at bat to bring up Daleiden as the winning run and he came up with the big homerun. I think everyone was in shock after that and UT-Tyler tacked on a couple more.

MC made one last run and knocked Ziegler out in the ninth, and had the tying run at the plate when Holland came in, but he was able to finish it off.

Just a great game all-around.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3baseballnut on May 04, 2009, 07:29:43 AM
Quote from: tloc14 on May 04, 2009, 01:55:28 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 04, 2009, 01:46:32 AM
No Pool C bids for the ASC.  They only remote chance was for UTT.  Now my money for a West Region Pool C bid goes to the NWC runner-up.

Congrats to UTT!

I agree with you there....very tough way to end the season for MC.

I dunno.....I think the NWC runner up had already locked in a Pool C bid, regardless of what happened last night.....or at least they should have.

I think there are alot of deserving teams in the ASC. I think Mississippi College and Texas Lutheran are both deserving. I certainly don't see how you are going to pick an Illinois Wesleyan, Christopher Newport, or some team like that from even more north with a similar record.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 04, 2009, 08:26:43 AM
Congrats to UTT for winning the conference. Mississippi College is deserving of a Pool C, but probably won't get one. Our conference is just too competitive, with too many good teams, and we all beat eachother up.

What a crazy night, I wish I could have been there to watch it.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3baseballnut on May 04, 2009, 08:33:56 AM
Quote from: dp643 on May 04, 2009, 08:26:43 AM
Congrats to UTT for winning the conference. Mississippi College is deserving of a Pool C, but probably won't get one. Our conference is just too competitive, with too many good teams, and we all beat eachother up.

What a crazy night, I wish I could have been there to watch it.

so does the NJAC in New Jersey, they always get multiple bids despite beating each other up to mediocre records. The NJAC conference also did much worse in non-conference games than the ASC this year....go figure....ASC deserves a Pool C bid
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 04, 2009, 09:37:01 AM
I agree that the ASC should get another bid and that team should be the Choctaws who finished 30-16 and Co-champions of the ASC East. They also split thier 6 games with UTT a team that has been ranked in the top 12 of DIV III all season. They are being hurt by a slow 6-7 start prior to March 7. The last month or so they have really turned it on and played outstanding baseball. I think this is a team that could play with any team in the country and desrves a chance to prove it. The ended up overall winning 4 and loosing 2 in the confernce tournament. Their 2 losses were to UTT but they also run rulled UTT in the tournament and beat them 2 out of 3 at UTT to get the #1 seed out of the East. They dominated every other team they played in the tournament.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 04, 2009, 10:06:49 AM
The final records for the conference tournament for the two weekends of baseball:

UTT      6-2
MC       4-2
UTD     3-3
TLU      2-2
McM     1-2
HSU     1-2
UMHB   0-2
Ozarks 0-2

Overall as a conference the east division was weaker than the west but their top 3 teams did better in the tournament. The bottom half of the east division was weaker than the bottom half of the west durinig the regular season.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on May 04, 2009, 01:51:47 PM
Its D3, all the love is in the Northeast. East Delware state weslayan or some school will probably get in over any ASC team. I guess they see it as Concordia is the only school to get to the World Series out of the ASC and look past anyone trying to get an at large bid. I dont get it, the best ball is played in the south, but maybe things will change. And im sure the board memebers are not from down here.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 04, 2009, 02:07:02 PM
I would really like Tyler to go up there and tear up the regional to give the ASC some deserved respect. If Booher can find it, I think they can do it. They have the pitching to do well in a regional.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on May 04, 2009, 02:17:14 PM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on May 04, 2009, 01:51:47 PM
Its D3, all the love is in the Northeast. East Delware state weslayan or some school will probably get in over any ASC team. I guess they see it as Concordia is the only school to get to the World Series out of the ASC and look past anyone trying to get an at large bid. I dont get it, the best ball is played in the south, but maybe things will change. And im sure the board memebers are not from down here.

Most love is in the Northeast as most schools are in the Northeast.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 04, 2009, 02:20:50 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 04, 2009, 02:17:14 PM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on May 04, 2009, 01:51:47 PM
Its D3, all the love is in the Northeast. East Delware state weslayan or some school will probably get in over any ASC team. I guess they see it as Concordia is the only school to get to the World Series out of the ASC and look past anyone trying to get an at large bid. I dont get it, the best ball is played in the south, but maybe things will change. And im sure the board memebers are not from down here.

Most love is in the Northeast as most schools are in the Northeast.
To whom did Concordia lose in 2002 in the D3World Series?   ;)

IMHO, the best pitchers in D-III are not in the South and Southwest.

Those southern and southwestern pitchers are attending the JUCO's at the recommendations of their high school coach, some scout, some summer league coach or some low D-1 or D-II coach.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 04, 2009, 03:08:16 PM
Ralph has a point and two of UTTs better pitchers this year Ziegler and Wolfe came from New Jersey.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on May 04, 2009, 03:17:33 PM
I believe Concordia lost to Lakeland (WI) and Eastern Connecticut, correct me if I am wrong. LAke had All-American Steve Plucinski who transferred to Arizona the following season.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on May 04, 2009, 03:56:42 PM
Whats that have to do with anything. Year end and out there are teams that are left out in the ASC when John HOpkins school of the Blind are thrown in as at large bids and are 2 and que. Just putting in my two cents. And Concordia lost to Eastern Connecticut state who was ranked #2 the entire year and not an at large bid.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on May 04, 2009, 04:08:55 PM
Frankly, it is hard to judge northeast teams vs southern or western teams because the northern schools are not able to get on the field and practice/play year-round like most of the southern and western schools can.

The way the regionals are set up, everything has to do with population density.  There are far more D3 schools in the north and northeast than there are in the southwest and west areas.  Therefore, the higher density regions get more bids.  I have my issues with this setup just like many other posters do, but there really isnt any other reasonable way around it.

The elite teams from the northern areas end up being on par with the southern and western schools when the final tournament rolls around.  The biggest problem we face is that there are so many VERY good teams in the west region compared to school density (a higher percent of the teams in the west are highly competitive vs the northern regions).  Unfortunately, only 1 representative from the west will go to the final tourney (unless one of the west schools recieves a rare at-large bid to a different regional and wins).

I would love to see the west region being broken up into a pacific and south west region...but there just arent enough D3 schools to make it happen.  I think Ralph broke down the numbers earlier.  Wish some of the NAIA schools or D2 schools would just drop down and make it easier   :-\ .
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on May 04, 2009, 04:16:49 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 04, 2009, 02:20:50 PM
To whom did Concordia lose in 2002 in the D3World Series?   ;)

IMHO, the best pitchers in D-III are not in the South and Southwest.

Those southern and southwestern pitchers are attending the JUCO's at the recommendations of their high school coach, some scout, some summer league coach or some low D-1 or D-II coach.

Ralph,
 I don't think you can make a blanket statement like that. Concordia lost their 2002 opener 5-4 in 10 innings to Eastern Connecticut State who won the World Series that year. I don't think that is exactly a show of dominance, just baseball.

 A lot of the better players do attend junior colleges in this part of the country, but those aren't four year shools. The have to play somewhere as juniors and seniors, and very often it is on ASC teams. If you are just referring to the "deep south" then you have to consider the numbers, it's not fair to judge two conferences, the ASC and SCAC, against the entire country. Per team, the ASC is putting out just as many good players as other regions IMO.

 It certainly doesn't help that geographic proximity and the current setup usually means we very rarely have multiple teams in the tourney despite a 15-team conference. Obviously, the more teams you have in the tourney, the better your chances of having someone advance.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: LA Mike on May 04, 2009, 06:23:32 PM
     It just appears to me that the committee struggles to be "fair" to the eastern conferences and put off the west and the south.  How often do you see a west or south region team being pulled into the midwest or the mid Atlantic as they have better records etc. 
     But, because of the rules for "in-region" competition, the western schools get knocked when the eastern and northern schools come down for games in the spring.  Their games against each other count-- but the west and south schools limit the competition with these schools to 6 or 8 because they do not count in the eyes of the "committee".  Maybe a third level of consideration (POOL D) should be introduced and that would be the games/records against ranked opponents -- maybe measured & calculated (3X) at third points in the season (to accommodate the changes in rank and to determine ranking position) and factor that into the mix.  The tournament strives to hold the tournament to 54 teams, but maybe a 8 team/8 regional format would get the extra teams that should be not be left out, in the tournament.  [I know then we could give the 65th team a chance to complain! ]
     I know the standard answer would be that it goes back to costs.  It will probably involve a similar selection of teams and programs each year. 
               Maybe go to the 35 conferences for an extra stipend to support the
                   10 extra teams............and the chance to play.  Maybe 1 slot to be
                    chosen by lottery (#64) from team nos. 64-70 -- "The lucky dog
                    team !!!". 
               Plug in the teams in adjacent regions..........to play closer rather
                  than farther away....... but not against their opponents from the
                  regular season.

I know, the coach is coming to the mound to
pull me out and I have to go !!!

It is only withdrawal -- because there will not be games (mostly) next weekend-- we have to wait for the regional tournaments.

The ball has been give to the coach----------------
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: RSSmith on May 04, 2009, 08:15:37 PM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on May 04, 2009, 03:56:42 PM
Whats that have to do with anything. Year end and out there are teams that are left out in the ASC when John HOpkins school of the Blind are thrown in as at large bids and are 2 and que. Just putting in my two cents. And Concordia lost to Eastern Connecticut state who was ranked #2 the entire year and not an at large bid.

I'm sorry, I've only been following Hopkins for the last ten years.  Can you please tell me when they failed to win a game in the post-season?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: royhobbs on May 04, 2009, 10:00:25 PM
When JHU gets in due to a "Rain-IN", they better win a game or two.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: RSSmith on May 04, 2009, 10:06:06 PM
Quote from: royhobbs on May 04, 2009, 10:00:25 PM
When JHU gets in due to a "Rain-IN", they better win a game or two.

Any port in a storm, right?  I'm sure you noticed that the only other team left standing in the Centennial tournament had already lost to Hopkins three times this season.  I'll stick my neck out here and say that the Blue Jays will win a game or two.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on May 04, 2009, 10:12:58 PM
Quote from: RSSmith on May 04, 2009, 08:15:37 PM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on May 04, 2009, 03:56:42 PM
Whats that have to do with anything. Year end and out there are teams that are left out in the ASC when John HOpkins school of the Blind are thrown in as at large bids and are 2 and que. Just putting in my two cents. And Concordia lost to Eastern Connecticut state who was ranked #2 the entire year and not an at large bid.

I'm sorry, I've only been following Hopkins for the last ten years.  Can you please tell me when they failed to win a game in the post-season?


When they get sent to the West Regional??   haha, im just kidding.    ;D
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on May 05, 2009, 05:37:22 PM
I really don't want to relive this, but here is video of the ASC Championship for those who weren't there. It includes all the major clips from the final three inning, pretty amazing stuff. It was shot by Jason Hurst, the sports anchor for Jackson's CBS station.

http://www.wjtv.com/jtv/sports/local/article/choctaws_one_pitch_away_but_fall_8-5_in_asc_championship/12815/
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3baseballnut on May 05, 2009, 05:51:25 PM
Alright everyone....

It is true that the road to the postseason is easier for Hopkins than the ASC, but it is easier for EVERYONE, not just Hopkins. THe ASC has it rough.

I have been leading the revolt against Ralph Turner (love ya though), and the committee's oversight of UT Tyler in 2008. That is ridiculous, and there is no way that Montclair state should have gotten in at 26-18 over 36-9 UTTyler. HOpkins is a different story, who was 34-5....you cant hate on that.

The fact is, the ASC is very good baseball, and deserves to get more than one team in per year, as does the SCAC. Depauw was left out last year at 35-11....how do you take teams at 29-13 of 26-18 over teams like Depauw or UT Tyler? Strength of schedule has played way too high a factor in all this, since it is arbitrary....they obvious rated the ASC much lower than it truly is. Texas Lutheran or Mississippi College deserves a bid. I'll be upset if they keep putting teams with 14-15 losses in over ASC and SCAC teams

In 2008, it was absolute bull crap. UTTyler was ranked 2nd in the west, and went 3-2 in the conference tournament, and dropped off completely!!!! WHAT?!?! They went from top 10 in the country to out of the postseason bc of a 3-2 conf record.....there is definitely a bias against ASC teams and for some reason, it is so much harder for them to get 2 teams in.....trust me committee, the OAC isnt better than the ASC
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on May 05, 2009, 06:18:22 PM
Seems to me that the biggest issue is with the means of determining what is (or is not) a strong schedule. Frankly, using any W-L record to determine such is flawed from the outset, as a 20-1 blowout counts the same as a 2-1 nailbiter (at least to my understanding). In my opinion, the NCAA should use the following as a "power" ranking of sorts to inform their decision making.

(.5 x Team Pythagorean Winning %) + (.5 x Opponents Combined Pythagorean Winning %)

[For any who don't know, pythagorean winning percentage is calculated as follows: RS2/(RS2 + RA2)]

The NCAA should have the data to do the math, and having some intern or other grunt put together the spreadsheet or database or whatever to do it probably wouldn't be too hard. Could even do it with just in-region numbers if they wanted. Maybe change the weights a little, or add opponents' opponents numbers to the mix, but the main thing is to give credit to teams that win often and win big.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 05, 2009, 06:31:32 PM
Quote from: d3baseballnut on May 05, 2009, 05:51:25 PM
Alright everyone....

It is true that the road to the postseason is easier for Hopkins than the ASC, but it is easier for EVERYONE, not just Hopkins. THe ASC has it rough.

I have been leading the revolt against Ralph Turner (love ya though), and the committee's oversight of UT Tyler in 2008. That is ridiculous, and there is no way that Montclair state should have gotten in at 26-18 over 36-9 UTTyler. HOpkins is a different story, who was 34-5....you cant hate on that.

The fact is, the ASC is very good baseball, and deserves to get more than one team in per year, as does the SCAC. Depauw was left out last year at 35-11....how do you take teams at 29-13 of 26-18 over teams like Depauw or UT Tyler? Strength of schedule has played way too high a factor in all this, since it is arbitrary....they obvious rated the ASC much lower than it truly is. Texas Lutheran or Mississippi College deserves a bid. I'll be upset if they keep putting teams with 14-15 losses in over ASC and SCAC teams

In 2008, it was absolute bull crap. UTTyler was ranked 2nd in the west, and went 3-2 in the conference tournament, and dropped off completely!!!! WHAT?!?! They went from top 10 in the country to out of the postseason bc of a 3-2 conf record.....there is definitely a bias against ASC teams and for some reason, it is so much harder for them to get 2 teams in.....trust me committee, the OAC isnt better than the ASC
:D
The change that needs to be considered is in the OWP and OOWP.  We are a closed system, and so our OWP never gets too much higher than .535, at least in basketball where we have seen the numbers for N= 20 games.

If you really want to hear us howl, then go read the Football boards about Bracket-gate and the Texas Sub-regional!

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=5306.30
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 05, 2009, 06:32:47 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on May 05, 2009, 06:18:22 PM
Seems to me that the biggest issue is with the means of determining what is (or is not) a strong schedule. Frankly, using any W-L record to determine such is flawed from the outset, as a 20-1 blowout counts the same as a 2-1 nailbiter (at least to my understanding). In my opinion, the NCAA should use the following as a "power" ranking of sorts to inform their decision making.

(.5 x Team Pythagorean Winning %) + (.5 x Opponents Combined Pythagorean Winning %)

[For any who don't know, pythagorean winning percentage is calculated as follows: RS2/(RS2 + RA2)]

The NCAA should have the data to do the math, and having some intern or other grunt put together the spreadsheet or database or whatever to do it probably wouldn't be too hard. Could even do it with just in-region numbers if they wanted. Maybe change the weights a little, or add opponents' opponents numbers to the mix, but the main thing is to give credit to teams that win often and win big.
Interns?  Oh no!  We already get all of the D1 interns who don't know how to pronounce Willamette or LeTourneau.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on May 05, 2009, 06:36:00 PM
Fair enough, Ralph. :P

Re-ranking the top 6 in the West (according to the regional rankings) by pythagorean winning percentage:

1. Pomona-Pitzer - .822
2. Texas-Tyler - .792
3. George Fox - .783
4. Pacific Lutheran - .758
5. Chapman - .694
6. Texas-Dallas - .612

Frankly, Texas-Dallas does not belong on there now, and probably didn't on 4/30 either. You could make a case that Chapman doesn't either, but it's hard to say without running the numbers on the entire region. I'll do this again when the next set of rankings comes out on Thursday.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3baseballnut on May 05, 2009, 06:54:53 PM
hmmm....that looks crazy close to the Bracketology 2009 thread's version of the West region
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 05, 2009, 10:48:26 PM
The top 25 came out and unless I miss counted there are 6 teams ranked from the West Region. Since Chapman seems to be a pool B pick, with the current system one of those 6 teams is likely not going to be invited to the dance.  One again I put my plug in for a 64 team tournament with expanded Pool C selections.  (Guys there is no perfect system and no matter what even with 64 teams some team will be left out. But the probabilities of a top 25 team being left out would be nearly elliminated.)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 06, 2009, 10:04:55 PM
Had anyone checked out the All-Conference teams that have released?

I am all for player recognition and acknowledging players for their accomplishments, but I think there is a point where you need to draw a line. Not to take anything away from Schreiner, but having 13 all conference recognitions in one of the bottom teams in the division definitely raises some eyebrows. There are definitely some deserving players that made the honorable mention list, and I think their accomplishments are overshaddowed by the fact that they are recognized alongside pitchers with 10+ERA's and hitters with sub .230 batting averages.

Not to mention a player like Kyle Martiin with a 3.61 ERA didnt even make Honorable Mention while other players on the list had terrible numbers.

While I agree with alot of the list, and where some players are put can be arguable, the bottom of the list really bothers me.

This is all of course my humble opinion, and I am curious to hear other's thoughts.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: royhobbs on May 07, 2009, 11:30:13 AM
Maybe that's why they don't always post their stats next to them? Do you agree they got the Players of the year right? I happen to think so.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on May 07, 2009, 11:37:17 AM
Ralph,
   I know you don't think MC will be getting one of the pool c bids, but I think we have a shot this year. Our schedule was tough and should hold up. I'd be curious to see the official numbers on that. We should jump UT-Dallas in the rankings based on an edge in just about every primary criteria and going 3-1 against them.

I think MC's regional record is 27-14, but of those 41 games:
- six against UT-Tyler (38-10)
- four against UT-Dallas (28-18)
- three against Millsaps (32-8)
- three against Texas Lutheran (30-14)
- two against Mary Hardin-Baylor (22-17)
- two against Emory (24-18)

That's 20 of our 41 games against very tough competition, and 16 games against teams with at least 28 wins. We went 9-11 in those games, but we played tough opponents and didn't rack up a great record against a terrible schedule like a lot of schools. We are 6-4 against regionally ranked West opponents.

The one thing that will hurt us and make our schedule look worse than it really is are three games against Rust College. They are a local team and a cheap opponent as far as travel goes, which is important in this economic climate and why we played them.  But I think they went something like 0-25, which will significantly bring down a schedule that was very tough.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on May 07, 2009, 11:52:47 AM
I don't see MC getting a bid either.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on May 07, 2009, 01:51:10 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 07, 2009, 11:52:47 AM
I don't see MC getting a bid either.

What would your reasoning be? Due to the ASC's history of not getting pool c bids?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 07, 2009, 02:17:49 PM
I dont see the ASC getting a Pool C, just from the lack of a standout team.

In my opinion, TLU getting swept by Dallas, and MC getting swept by TLU is what will keep them from getting a Pool C.

Even though UTD has been ranked high in the regional rankings, I still dont see them taking one either.

I could be wrong, and I hope I am.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on May 07, 2009, 02:48:58 PM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on May 07, 2009, 01:51:10 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 07, 2009, 11:52:47 AM
I don't see MC getting a bid either.

What would your reasoning be? Due to the ASC's history of not getting pool c bids?

My reasoning is the commoiitee will take a second or third team from a more powerful conference before awarding MC a bid. MC needs to have all conference top seeds win Pool A bids before they even can be considered for a bid. The Pool C herd needs to be thinned out.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on May 07, 2009, 03:41:55 PM
Hard to believe that UT-Dallas was able to stay ahead of MS College in the regional rankings considering MC finished two games ahead of them in the ASC standings and went 3-1 head-to-head against them including run-ruling them in the ASC Tourney. I think there was very little doubt at the tournament who had the much  better team. 

West Region Overall Record In-Region Record
1. Pomona-Pitzer 35-5 27-3
2. Texas-Tyler 38-10 35-9
3. Cal Lutheran 31-9 27-6
4. Pacific Lutheran 31-8 29-8
5. George Fox 32-9 29-6
6. Texas-Dallas 28-18 27-14

You can't help but raise an eyebrow at the process. Here are the primary criteria and how MC and UTD stack up. I just don' tsee how anyone can keep UTD ahead. I could be wrong on these numbers and if that is the case then I should be corrected. But if these are the actual numbers for primary criteria, then I think MC should be ahead of UTD.

• Win-loss percentage against regional opponents.
UTD and MC should both be 27-14 in regional games.

• Strength-of-schedule (only contests versus regional competition).
We don't see the offical numbers, but I would think it is at least close. MC and UTD both played very good schedules. I know MC played 16 regional games against opponents with at least 28 wins, I think UTD played 13 games.

• In-region head-to-head competition.
MC went 3-1 against UTD including a dominating 10-0 win in the ASC tournament.

• In-region results versus common regional opponents.
UTD holds the edge here because of TLU. UTD was 15-4 against common regional opponents and MC is 12-6. UTD was 4-0 against TLU having swept TLU at home. MC was swept at TLU.

• In-region results versus regionally ranked teams.
UTD is 1-4  against regional ranked West teams while MC is 7-5.

I could be wrong on some of these numbers, and if I am then I could see how this could happen. But if this is accurate, I just don't see it and I hope this isn't a final ranking. Here is this year's West region committee.

West
Matt Newman, Northwest Conference, chair
Scott Laverty, University of Redlands
Geoff Loomis, Pacific Lutheran University
Dirk Morrison, California State University, East Bay
Shane Shewmake, University of Texas at Dallas
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 07, 2009, 04:12:55 PM
Chris, you are about "this close" to calling out the ASC rep to the committee.

As I understand the conduct on the committee, the involved representatives recuse him/herself when their institution is under discussion.

You can confirm that locally with locally with those members of the MC athletic department who have sat on those committees.

If there is administrative malfeasance on the West Region committee, then the ASC can handle that, but those are serious allegations that you are implying.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on May 07, 2009, 04:18:25 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 07, 2009, 04:12:55 PM
Chris, you are about "this close" to calling out the ASC rep to the committee.

As I understand the conduct on the committee, the involved representatives recuse him/herself when their institution is under discussion.

You can confirm that locally with locally with those members of the MC athletic department who have sat on those committees.

If there is administrative malfeasance on the West Region committee, then the ASC can handle that, but those are serious allegations that you are implying.

Ralph,
   I think you are going overboard on that one and missed the entire intent of my post. I want to be sure that I am looking at the correct numbers, maybe I'm not. If those numbers are right then I think the committee has the wrong team from the ASC in the rankings, not just Coach Shewmake. I am not implying that he has somehow personally kept UTD ahead of MC, Coach Shewmake is very respected in the league and should be, he has always been professional.

You are right that Coach Shewmake would be taken out of the conversation, I already am aware of that, so there is no reason for me to try and blame this on him. I know he's not part of that conversation. If anything, my thinking was directed more at the other members of the committee. But I do think the committee as a whole got this one wrong if I am looking at the numbers correctly, which was the intent of my post. 

The fact is most of our numbers are very similiar according to primary criteria, but we were 3-1 against them and had a much stronger record against West regionall ranked oppponents (MC 7-5 / UTD 2-7). I would think those are tiebreakers. Actually, the season records of the top three ASC East teams against one another this year would shake out like this:
UT-Tyler 7-4
MS College 6-4
UTD 2-7

I don't see it.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3baseballnut on May 07, 2009, 04:33:06 PM
UTD should not be above Miss College....period

The committee emphasizes different criterion for different situations. Miss college played a MUCH MUCH harder schedule, and in the more difficult division. So, in this case, regional record is most important, which is close, but goes to UTD

In the north, if Illinois Wesleyan gets a Pool C over Concordia Chicago (which will happen), it will only happen bc of strength of schedule.

IN the mid atlantice, Montclair is where they are purely for SOS reasons.

PICK ONE
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 07, 2009, 04:44:47 PM
Miss College was 30-16 on the season.

These are not in-region games

Belhaven (NAIA) 1-2
Spalding (only Provisional year #1)  2-1
Blackburn IL (Administrative Region #4, not #3/Central Region)  1-0
Touglaoo (NAIA)   1-0

That makes MC 25-13, (.6578) which is close to the same winning percentage as UTD  (27-14,  .6585)  both one win shy of 2/3rds.

Mississippi College played HPU (3-0) and TLU (0-3)  in the crossover series

TLU played CTX (1-2) and TLU (3-0) in the crossover series, plus CTX (1-1) in the UTT Easton Tourney).

As for the criterion of common in-region opponents, I get MissColl:

TLU                       0-3
ASC East              14-4
Tourney Finals       3-2
Total                     17-9  (8 games over .500)

For UTD:

TLU                     3-0
ASC East           12-6
Tourney Finals   1-2
Total                   16-8    (8 games over .500)

I think that it is too close to call between MC and UTD, especially since we don't have the OWP/OOWP.

In any case we knock ourselves out.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 07, 2009, 05:07:59 PM
We don't know the OWP's of the 12 in-region teams that Mississippi College played.

However, let's assume that the 11 teams' winning percentages, excluding Rust, were all .500.

Add those Winning percentages together and we get 5.500 divided by 11 to get .500 as an OWP.

Let's assume that Rust was 0-25 (.000) versus in-region opponents.  (I cannot find Rust's baseball scores on Rust's website.  Anyone have the NCAA web page for Rust?)

Add .000 to 5.500 and we get 5.500.  Divide that by 12 and we get the OWP for Mississippi College of .4583.  That is a drop of .042 as a possible maximum hit that Rust made on Mississippi College's OWP.

Is that the difference that the West Region committee was required to acknowledge?

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hatbaseball on May 07, 2009, 05:11:46 PM
Quote from: dp643 on May 06, 2009, 10:04:55 PM
Had anyone checked out the All-Conference teams that have released?

I am all for player recognition and acknowledging players for their accomplishments, but I think there is a point where you need to draw a line. Not to take anything away from Schreiner, but having 13 all conference recognitions in one of the bottom teams in the division definitely raises some eyebrows. There are definitely some deserving players that made the honorable mention list, and I think their accomplishments are overshaddowed by the fact that they are recognized alongside pitchers with 10+ERA's and hitters with sub .230 batting averages.

Not to mention a player like Kyle Martiin with a 3.61 ERA didnt even make Honorable Mention while other players on the list had terrible numbers.

While I agree with alot of the list, and where some players are put can be arguable, the bottom of the list really bothers me.

This is all of course my humble opinion, and I am curious to hear other's thoughts.


:o  :o  :o

I agree completely with your assessment.  I just looked at the numbers for the Schreiner players and it's not good.  I guess each coach nominates their own players and the Schreiner coach decided to nominate his whole team.   ???  McMurry has 8-9 guys that aren't on the list that have MUCH better numbers than most of the Schreiner players listed.  (and I'm sure most of the other teams in the conference do as well!)  I'm not meaning for this to sound disparging toward the Schreiner kids and some of them certainly deserve to be there, but the coach should certainly be more respective of what the All Conference awards are really for.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 07, 2009, 05:13:58 PM
Welcome hatbaseball.

Have we met before?

Contact me offline if we have.

Thanks and welcome to the boards.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 07, 2009, 05:25:19 PM
Hatbaseball,

Up and down the west division there are a ton of deserving players that didnt make honorable mention while the Schreiner guys did.

To the best of my knowledge, a coach nominates his players (which Schreiner obviously nominated their whole team), and then the nominations go out to all 8 coaches. To be Honorable mention, you must get at least one vote to be on a team by another teams coach. You can't vote for your own players.

So this means that someone (other than Schreiner) voted for the Schreiner players over players like Drew Farr, Kyle Martin, Gaona, both Satlzbagers, Beasley (just to name a few). I dont know and I am probably beating a dead horse, but something doesnt seem right here.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on May 07, 2009, 05:54:04 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 07, 2009, 04:44:47 PM
Miss College was 30-16 on the season.

These are not in-region games

Belhaven (NAIA) 1-2
Spalding (only Provisional year #1)  2-1
Blackburn IL (Administrative Region #4, not #3/Central Region)  1-0
Touglaoo (NAIA)   1-0

That makes MC 25-13, (.6578) which is close to the same winning percentage as UTD  (27-14,  .6585)  both one win shy of 2/3rds.

Mississippi College played HPU (3-0) and TLU (0-3)  in the crossover series

TLU played CTX (1-2) and TLU (3-0) in the crossover series, plus CTX (1-1) in the UTT Easton Tourney).

As for the criterion of common in-region opponents, I get MissColl:

TLU                       0-3
ASC East              14-4
Tourney Finals       3-2
Total                     17-9  (8 games over .500)

For UTD:

TLU                     3-0
ASC East           12-6
Tourney Finals   1-2
Total                   16-8    (8 games over .500)

I think that it is too close to call between MC and UTD, especially since we don't have the OWP/OOWP.

In any case we knock ourselves out.



Ralph,
  This would be my best guess. If TLU, UTD and MC all were up for the ASC's #2 spot, then that could cloud things and I could see arguments. MC should definitely get in over UTD, TLU over MC, and UTD over TLU. I still think MC should be the team chosen if all three were in a hat, based on a better record vs regionally ranked opponents (MC is 7-5, UTD is 2-7, TLU is 0-4). All would have similiar records and probably similiar strength of schedule numbers.

   But I'm not sure TLU was in that discussion due to no ranking last week, and an 0-2 performance in the tourney didn't get them any closer.
 
   If it's down to MC or UTD and the records and schedule strength were smiliar, I would think MC would be the team based on our 3-1 record against them, our much better record against West region ranked teams, and the fact that UTD was the clear #3 in the ASC East Division should win out.

   Oh well. I think MC and UTD would both have shots at this based on very good strength of schedule numbers, but neither would be close to locks. I think both teams could win games in a regional. But whoever is in that #6 spot has a leg up to getting in.

   You won't see TLU fans complaining because they unfortunately had a poor showing in the ASC Tournament. But from listening to MC people, it's hard for them to undertand how UTD would get in ahead of them considering we went 3-1 against them including a 10-0 pounding in the ASC tourney, and they were clearly a step or two behind MC and UT-Tyler all season.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3baseballnut on May 07, 2009, 05:58:18 PM
HERE IS YOUR TIEBREAKER....they played each other GUYS!!!

Miss won 3 out of 4!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And made it to the championship.......how is this close. If they are this close, how is head to head not coming into play.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 07, 2009, 06:04:50 PM
Quote from: d3baseballnut on May 07, 2009, 05:58:18 PM
HERE IS YOUR TIEBREAKER....they played each other GUYS!!!

Miss won 3 out of 4!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And made it to the championship.......how is this close. If they are this close, how is head to head not coming into play.
Yes, I see that.

I am trying to understand what the committee had that put UTD ahead of MissColl.

In either case, I think that they both stay home.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on May 07, 2009, 06:47:57 PM
It is something the ASC I guess just has to accept. The West teams in softball, baseball, tennis and golf are all underrepresented on the committees. We have almost half the teams in our region from the ASC and have one person on the committee.

In softball, HSU was 31-12. Of their 12 losses, eight were to teams with 29 or more wins.

LaVerne was 28-15 and Claremont Mudd Scripps was 28-14. The CMS was one of four members of the committee. Three of the four members were from the West coast and three teams from the very weak SCIAC gets three teams flown to Texas for the tournament.

In the past, we have always seen when it is close that geographic proximity is a real issue. HSU had a better record, better region record and probably as good of a strength of schedule.

BTW, HSU lost to ETBU 5-1 in 10 innings in the ASC Tournament last Friday in a great game that you could not tell which team was better until the last inning when ETBU got a 3-run home run. In the first round of the softball regional ETBU run ruled CMS in five innings.

Ralph, I disagree about the coaches stepping out when their team is talked about. That may supposed to be the rule, but human nature says that is not the case.

If you are on those conference calls every week you get to know the people on the committee. It is human nature to take care of your own. I have seen this on voting for all-region and all-American committees. Maybe I am not supposed to, but if I see two players from say *UMHB and *Christopher Newport and their stats are close I almost always will pick the player I am more familiar with.

Same thing works here if I am from say *Linfield and I don't know much about Mississippi College or UT-Dallas and their numbers are close who are you going to vote for. Someone you don't know or someone you do know.

*All of the schools listed above are examples.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on May 07, 2009, 09:42:39 PM
I don't know what is driving UTD to be ranked above MC. I also don't believe that the ASC will get a second bid either. If we were to get one I'd say it should go to the runner up of the ASC championship, which was MC in this case. I would like to think that TLU is worthly but frankly we fell on our own sword in the tourney. Head to head, we were 0-4 against UTD and 3-0 against MC and 0-1 against UTT. So, somewhat of a mixed bag if you aske me... I believe we are a better team than what the stats show (to be honest)...

On a side note, I want to thank everyone on these boards for a fun and exciting year. I wish we could have spend more years within this environment but one year is all we had... If you'll allow me to stick my nose in from time to time I'd welcome the opportunity. Best of luck to those still playing and I will certainly be following these discussions for perhaps years to come - I'm sure at somepoint I will have grandchildren coming through the system at some point. Now the focus is getting the kid ready for the draft and keeping fingers crossed we get a call this year... ;)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 07, 2009, 10:55:21 PM
Dawgsdad,

I think both TLU and MC are deserving teams and with a broader 64 team field may have made it. But once again the ASC will only get one team so the so called 6.5/1 ratio is out the window. I truely feel for the seniors like your son that played on a division champion and is penalized for 2 close losses in the conference tournament. It happend to UTT last year and they ended up ranked in the top 25 but got left home.

If your son is not drafted but still has the itch I would suggest he attends the tryouts that are being held and he may have a chance to get picked up by one of the independent minor league teams. That happened to my son a few years back.

I have said several times that I thought that MC was as good as any team in the ASC the last 2 months of the season. However, their slow start, I believe at one point they were 6-7 ended up killing their Playoff chances. They had to get a Pool A bid and came one strike short of doing it. UTT was the only team in the ASC that had a chance and probably would have got it even if they lost the last game IMO. TLU's extra inining loss to UTD is really what killed them. Had they won that game they would have of perhaps made it. But once again they were only so so in the early season and came on strong in the middle to second half. As Ralph has said if there was one or two games during the season that you lost to a team you should have beat those are the games that probably killed your chances. I do not like the system since I believe the ASC is a very strong DIII conference and the teams will beat up each other. I don't think there is any team in the country that could run the gauntlet of UTT, UTD, MC, TLU, McM, HSU, UMHB and Ozarks without suffering more than a couple of losses. The conference IMHO is that tough and we are getting penalized for it. By beating each other up the win loss records are not steller and thus the regional rankings are lower than the true strenth of these teams. That is just how I see it but I am sure that others feel the same way. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: LA Mike on May 07, 2009, 11:19:01 PM
I made a comment on the Western Region Tournament that the ASC should be split to the ASWC* and the ASEC* and request Pool A bids from each conference to the west region.  If we went to the 8 team format across the board                  *American South West Conf. and Amer. South East Conf.

SCAC  - A   (this multi-region conf. needs to be fixed & more than 4 teams)
SCIAC - A
SCIAC or NWC or ASWC/ASEC - C bid
ASWC - A
ASEC  - A
NWC  - A
Non-Region D --as I proposed on a previous post, a Pool D would be the
                               records of RANKED teams against RANKED teams.  It
   { probably from   seems that these are the teams that get left out but
   SCIAC, NWC        might give them a path to the playoffs.  It allows the teams
   ASWC or             unlucky to be in a conference with 3 or 4 ranked teams
    ASEC }               to see how they compare to other teams nationally and
                               slide into the dugout of the committees choice !!!
Pool B Team Selection --  Although I believe that the Pool B teams should
                               have a structured tournament of their own 4 regions, 4
                               teams, take the 4 winners and runners up and seed them
                               into the 8 regions -- one Pool B in each region -- In this
                               way the independents have a method of sorting them
                               selves out and presenting a case to the committee that
                               these 8 teams are the best of the indepent group.  (Sort
                               of like their own National Region !!!)

The arm is tired and needs ice...........
LA Mike has gone to the trainers table!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on May 08, 2009, 12:20:01 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 07, 2009, 05:07:59 PM
We don't know the OWP's of the 12 in-region teams that Mississippi College played.

However, let's assume that the 11 teams' winning percentages, excluding Rust, were all .500.

Add those Winning percentages together and we get 5.500 divided by 11 to get .500 as an OWP.

Let's assume that Rust was 0-25 (.000) versus in-region opponents.  (I cannot find Rust's baseball scores on Rust's website.  Anyone have the NCAA web page for Rust?)

Add .000 to 5.500 and we get 5.500.  Divide that by 12 and we get the OWP for Mississippi College of .4583.  That is a drop of .042 as a possible maximum hit that Rust made on Mississippi College's OWP.

Is that the difference that the West Region committee was required to acknowledge?



Ralph,
  I've looked around several different sites trying to find Rust's regional record, but they haven't submitted any stats to the NCAA. I know it shows up as a regional game when we score report to the NCAA, so Rust is doing their score reporting. They only have 10 DIII games on their schedule, so who knows.

  This isn't offical, but I jotted down the regional records of the MC and UTD opponents last night just to get an idea what the OWP's would be. I had UTD at .560. MC is .565 without Rust in there. I guessed and gave Rust an 0-12 regional record, and that would lower our OWP to .550. There's no telling what the OOWP is, it would take a week to put that together. Maybe UTD is much stronger there.

  I'm sure there is something I'm not seeing that puts UTD ahead. I've talked with coaches about the process before in other sports, and most would say they wished there was a criteria for common sense sometimes. Both teams look to be pretty close on criteria, but UTD struggled against MC and UT-Tyler in the regular season with a 2-5 record, then followed that with an 0-2 postseason against the two. You would think that is a pretty clear separation, but the committee does have to go with the process, and if that puts UTD ahead then so be it. It probably will be a moot point because both of us will have a hard time getting in.

  I don't like how it turned out for MC, but HSUSID is right in that the much larger issue is our representation on the committees this time of year. We are one conference, but you'd think we should have more than one representative considering we do account for almost half the teams in the region.

I'm anxious to see how the selection goes this year. The entire process is impossible, comparing regions against one another with all of them having totally different landscapes. There's no question regions like the West and South are behind the eight ball, but honestly I really don't know how they could improve it. The only way to ensure more teams make the postseason, is to develop more AQ's with more conferences.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: UP AND IN on May 08, 2009, 12:26:26 PM
While I understand "Chris Brooks" wanting to stand up for his team and make a push to get his team in, there is nothing anyone can do and both MC and UTD have to sit around until selection day anxious. Seems like a similar situation every year that teams think they are deserving and get left home...

Last year everyone speculated between a CTX team that was 26-13 in region (better win % than both teams this year with .667) and UT-Tyler who only lost 9 games all year, though i'm not sure about region record.

CB put up numbers against hard or ranked teams as well and said you went 9-11 in those games and you think you'll get in?  CTX won 3 of 5 from #5 ranked UTT last year, 3 from #21 UMHB, 2 of 3 from Ozarks, 2 of 3 from Trinity (who made it to the regional), but the only downfall ws losing 4 of 5 to eventual champ McMurry, a similar situation that MC is in now in losing to the Champs.

CTX and UTT cancelled each other out last year pretty much and that regional was in Abilene, a mere few hourse drive to location, while this years is at Linfield... I just don't see either team getting in and would be surprised if they did. I would be happy for them no doubt, but a tad skeptical as to what changed from last year to this year to not either of those teams in.

Unfortunetly, the West region is too damn big and nobody wants to change anything while the power is in the East (Southern MAINE??????)  is the number one ranked team, a team from Maine? Come on!!!!  Oh well I hope one of those 2 teams gets in this year and plays UTT in the championship of the regional and the winner makes some noise  at the World Series.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on May 08, 2009, 12:38:59 PM
With regards to Southern Maine (and cold-weather schools in general), people often underestimate the advantages of practicing indoors for a month or two:
1. Never get rained out
2. no other choice but to focus on the fundamentals
3. Hit, hit, and hit some more.
4. While the South and West play warm weather games all season, it does not warm up in the snow belt until late April and that feeling of warm weather games refreshes your love for the game. Guys are excited to simply be outside in the warm weather again, regardless of the baseball season and that positive attitude can carry a team a long ways.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 08, 2009, 12:48:09 PM
IMO Cal Lutheran will get a Pool C before any of the ASC teams do. Up and In is right, as last year with CTX and UTT both missing on a Pool C, and I think both of those teams were better than the teams in question this year. If one of those two couldnt get in last year with the regional in Texas, I just dont see TLU, UTD, or MC getting in this year with it up in the northwest.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 08, 2009, 01:28:14 PM
MC,TLU and UTD will not likely get in. All you have to do is look at the regional rankings. UTD is 6 and Chapman is likely to get the Pool B nod and we don't know where Hendrix will be assinged. Thus if it is a 6 team field non of those schools will go to the West Regional. Since UTD is ranked 6th they are the only one of the 3 schools that has a chance (not on the regional list not on the radar screen). If the 13th pick comes down to a 6th ranked West regional team againt say a 3rd ranked regional team from another region that has a better overall record, I think you know what will happen.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: KMONEY on May 08, 2009, 06:06:57 PM
Is it not possible for MC to get a pool C bid in another region such as the Central region.. I saw that one person's bracketology has them as a #3 seed in the Central Region..  MC has won 18 of their last 22.. 6 of those games were againgst #11 UT Tyler and it was a split series, so 3 of the 4 losses to UT Tyler and one loss to #12 Milsaps in extra innings... Like the saying goes "what have you done for me lately"..  MC is a great team and would be a great add to any region..

I also do not see how in the world UTD would be ranked ahead of MC in the Regional rankings after MC has the better in region record, more wins, and beat them head to head 3 out of 4 times including a 10-0 rout in 7 innings in the opening round of the ASC tourney that was one sided as a game could be and both teams were fresh.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on May 08, 2009, 06:33:00 PM
As a former college baseball player, playing real simulated games is a huge favor to have on your side than practicing indoors and working on your fundamentals. You do that in the offseason. You can never have enough innings or enough intersquads. If indoors were an advantage MLB wouldnt have the cactus and grapefruits leagues held in AZ and FL.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on May 08, 2009, 07:16:00 PM
I'm curious to know when the regional field will be set? I believe that play is suspose to begin 13 May, which is next Wednesday. I don't expect TLU will get a call and I don't believe that the team is planning on it either as they have already turned in their gear...

So, when do we expect the suspense to be over? and we can begin the next round of rants... likes or dislikes ;)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 08, 2009, 07:29:46 PM
Selections and brackets will be announced Monday morning.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on May 09, 2009, 10:05:03 AM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 07, 2009, 10:55:21 PM
Dawgsdad,

I think both TLU and MC are deserving teams and with a broader 64 team field may have made it. But once again the ASC will only get one team so the so called 6.5/1 ratio is out the window. I truely feel for the seniors like your son that played on a division champion and is penalized for 2 close losses in the conference tournament. It happend to UTT last year and they ended up ranked in the top 25 but got left home.

If your son is not drafted but still has the itch I would suggest he attends the tryouts that are being held and he may have a chance to get picked up by one of the independent minor league teams. That happened to my son a few years back.

I have said several times that I thought that MC was as good as any team in the ASC the last 2 months of the season. However, their slow start, I believe at one point they were 6-7 ended up killing their Playoff chances. They had to get a Pool A bid and came one strike short of doing it. UTT was the only team in the ASC that had a chance and probably would have got it even if they lost the last game IMO. TLU's extra inining loss to UTD is really what killed them. Had they won that game they would have of perhaps made it. But once again they were only so so in the early season and came on strong in the middle to second half. As Ralph has said if there was one or two games during the season that you lost to a team you should have beat those are the games that probably killed your chances. I do not like the system since I believe the ASC is a very strong DIII conference and the teams will beat up each other. I don't think there is any team in the country that could run the gauntlet of UTT, UTD, MC, TLU, McM, HSU, UMHB and Ozarks without suffering more than a couple of losses. The conference IMHO is that tough and we are getting penalized for it. By beating each other up the win loss records are not steller and thus the regional rankings are lower than the true strenth of these teams. That is just how I see it but I am sure that others feel the same way. 
TexasBB,

Thanks for the comments and the encouragement. We received letters this week to "invitation only" predraft workouts so these are encouraging.

Some of his former teammates from his HTU days are now playing over in Europe. I would agree that opportunities within the continental or independent leagues would be a better route but Europe or Japan (if you can get a connection) are options as well.

Umpiring is another route and one that he's accustom too. When not playing he's been umpiring, for at least 12 years now. He loves and enjoys the game that much...

With regards to the season and the way it ended. We just didn't get it done when we should have. Of the four games against UTD we lost two by one run, one of these games we gave up a 10 run lead! Another, a walk off homer ended it. We were in all these game but didn't get the job done. Similar thing happened with MCM. We also seem to have trouble offensively when Macklin was on the mount – don't know if this was over confidence but somewhere we let down when we shouldn't have.

Had we won the first game against UTT it would have been a real boost for us, but we shouldn't have needed it knowing that we needed to win to stay alive.  I think it was Big Pappa that said "you can't loose the games you're supposed to win."  Some may think that we we're supposed to beat UTT but I don't see them as that strong or powerful – lucky, yes, but I feel that we were equally as strong and talented. I believe we showed it too in that game. Orosey (a freshmen mind you) pitched well and should not have been lifted in my opinion, but I'm not coaching, just my opinion, he'd been in rough places all year and got out of it, why change now?

I'm looking forward to Monday and the selections for regionals. It will be interesting to see how it all shakes out and I hope that any ASC representative we have a strong showing so that people can see what we're made of down here and we are worthy of more recognition overall. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3baseballnut on May 09, 2009, 10:19:00 AM
Quote from: Dawgsdad on May 09, 2009, 10:05:03 AM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 07, 2009, 10:55:21 PM
Dawgsdad,

I think both TLU and MC are deserving teams and with a broader 64 team field may have made it. But once again the ASC will only get one team so the so called 6.5/1 ratio is out the window. I truely feel for the seniors like your son that played on a division champion and is penalized for 2 close losses in the conference tournament. It happend to UTT last year and they ended up ranked in the top 25 but got left home.

If your son is not drafted but still has the itch I would suggest he attends the tryouts that are being held and he may have a chance to get picked up by one of the independent minor league teams. That happened to my son a few years back.

I have said several times that I thought that MC was as good as any team in the ASC the last 2 months of the season. However, their slow start, I believe at one point they were 6-7 ended up killing their Playoff chances. They had to get a Pool A bid and came one strike short of doing it. UTT was the only team in the ASC that had a chance and probably would have got it even if they lost the last game IMO. TLU's extra inining loss to UTD is really what killed them. Had they won that game they would have of perhaps made it. But once again they were only so so in the early season and came on strong in the middle to second half. As Ralph has said if there was one or two games during the season that you lost to a team you should have beat those are the games that probably killed your chances. I do not like the system since I believe the ASC is a very strong DIII conference and the teams will beat up each other. I don't think there is any team in the country that could run the gauntlet of UTT, UTD, MC, TLU, McM, HSU, UMHB and Ozarks without suffering more than a couple of losses. The conference IMHO is that tough and we are getting penalized for it. By beating each other up the win loss records are not steller and thus the regional rankings are lower than the true strenth of these teams. That is just how I see it but I am sure that others feel the same way. 
TexasBB,

Thanks for the comments and the encouragement. We received letters this week to “invitation only” predraft workouts so these are encouraging.

Some of his former teammates from his HTU days are now playing over in Europe. I would agree that opportunities within the continental or independent leagues would be a better route but Europe or Japan (if you can get a connection) are options as well.

Umpiring is another route and one that he’s accustom too. When not playing he’s been umpiring, for at least 12 years now. He loves and enjoys the game that much…

With regards to the season and the way it ended. We just didn’t get it done when we should have. Of the four games against UTD we lost two by one run, one of these games we gave up a 10 run lead! Another, a walk off homer ended it. We were in all these game but didn’t get the job done. Similar thing happened with MCM. We also seem to have trouble offensively when Macklin was on the mount – don’t know if this was over confidence but somewhere we let down when we shouldn’t have.

Had we won the first game against UTT it would have been a real boost for us, but we shouldn’t have needed it knowing that we needed to win to stay alive.  I think it was Big Pappa that said “you can’t loose the games you’re supposed to win.”  Some may think that we we’re supposed to beat UTT but I don’t see them as that strong or powerful – lucky, yes, but I feel that we were equally as strong and talented. I believe we showed it too in that game. Orosey (a freshmen mind you) pitched well and should not have been lifted in my opinion, but I’m not coaching, just my opinion, he’d been in rough places all year and got out of it, why change now?

I’m looking forward to Monday and the selections for regionals. It will be interesting to see how it all shakes out and I hope that any ASC representative we have a strong showing so that people can see what we’re made of down here and we are worthy of more recognition overall. 


I agree. TLU and MC are both very deserving teams and they would prove it if the ASC would ever get the benefit of the doubt and receive a pool c bid. COrrection: UTtyler wasnt just in the top 25, they were in the Top 10 in 2008! How much sense does that make??

I don't think losing early should matter for TLU, and doesnt even apply to MC. Marietta will probably still get in after going 2 and out in their tournament, and their record is not as good as TLU and similar to MC. Same goes for other teams like Illionois Wesleyan and St. Norbert.

THe committee will use the rationale that Marietta beat UTT, so the ASC is weaker. But beware of that logic, because the same thing is true when comparing Concordia Chicago to IWU for a pool c bid (CUC beat IWU), but the committee will ignore it to get who they want in, in this case, IWU and Marietta
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: royhobbs on May 09, 2009, 01:10:27 PM
Big Poppa, after seeing dNuts -Karma grade, good thing he's not one of your students! How about St Scholastica's day yesterday? Like you say, you gotta control your own destiny.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 09, 2009, 01:29:29 PM
The angst of the failure of the ASC to get a Pool C is directly due to the fact that we present ourselves as one conference but have enough teams to earn 2 bids!

We not only eliminate the potential 2nd Pool A bid in the 8-team playoff, we also inflict losses on the best Pool C candidates that would remain in a 2 conference format.

This will be a problem every year, and in every sport, including men's and women's basketball, men's and women's soccer, softball, baseball, men's and women's tennis, until the ASC splits into 2 conferences.  That is a 2 year process after the conference declares that it wants to do that.

The likelihood that will happen is scant, because the conference has had two schools leave the conference.  One school leaving one of the conference changes the dynamics in the conference.  Fred Jacoby recommended that a conference never leave itself vulnerable to a single school holding the conference hostage.  That means that the ASC needs to find about 3 schools who wish to join the ASC, a five to six year process for that school to become a full member.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: RSSmith on May 09, 2009, 01:56:53 PM
Quote from: royhobbs on May 09, 2009, 01:10:27 PM
Big Poppa, after seeing dNuts -Karma grade, good thing he's not one of your students! How about St Scholastica's day yesterday? Like you say, you gotta control your own destiny.

I have to stick up for d3baseballnut.  He brings the same intensity and self confidence to these boards that he brought to the baseball diamond--intensity and self confidence that got him within one pitch of a national championship and a spot on the all-CWS team.  My sense is that folks are giving him negative karma not for what he says but for how he says it.  In debate, that's known as an "ad hominem" fallacy.  I frankly find his posts to be very thought-provoking and entertaining (even though I often disagree with them).  I think we all would miss reading what he has to say if he weren't involved.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on May 11, 2009, 02:51:13 AM
Once again the ASC is shafted. The selection commitee is absolutley brutal.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on May 11, 2009, 02:56:13 AM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on May 11, 2009, 02:51:13 AM
Once again the ASC is shafted. The selection commitee is absolutley brutal.

Just curious how they got shafted?  Not trying to argue, just curious.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 11, 2009, 11:18:20 AM
This is second year in a row that the ASC (a conference of 15 teams) has only one representative in the playoffs. I beleive that the ASC is one of the toughest conferences in DIV III but their structure has worked against them. They have had at least two teams that have won 30 games or more in both 2008 and 2009 that did not get a pool C bid. Last year they had 3 teams sitting at home Ozarks, CTX and UTT with UTT ranked in the top 20 nationally. This year it was TLU and MC both of them division or co-division champions winning 30 games or more.

In womens softball I note the ASC is more respeceted on a national level as it had 3 teams this year in the NCAA regional (UTT, LC, ETBU).

I feel bad for the seniors that have played on the teams left behind. I am sure their teams could beat a lot of the teams from other regions that got Pool C bids and finished with less than 30 wins. 

Once again I think all of us need to lobby for the NCAA to expand to 64 teams so that this does not continue to happen. In a well balanced conference like the ASC it is difficult to have a standout as the teams continue to beat each other up. To the casual observer the lack of an obvious leader leads to a feeling that the entire conference is just average and thus they will fail to recognize the ASC as an above average conference that has multiple good teams. It is much easier to get a bid from a conference where there is only two good teams and rest very average than to get a bid from a confence with 6-8 good teams that punish each other.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on May 11, 2009, 11:26:34 AM
That is an ASC issue, not an NCAA. While I do think they are a great conference, each conference is only awarded one Pool A bid. After that, the teams are matched on a national level and the ASC beats up on itself.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on May 11, 2009, 11:35:46 AM
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 11, 2009, 11:26:34 AM
That is an ASC issue, not an NCAA. While I do think they are a great conference, each conference is only awarded one Pool A bid. After that, the teams are matched on a national level and the ASC beats up on itself.

It's not only an ASC issue, it's also the NCAA. I agree the ASC as a conference does have circumstances that make it more difficult, but the process also does not help.

I think it would help if the NCAA would release more information every year to reveal why teams are chosen ahead of others, transparency in this case would be a good thing. I think it would go a long way to educating schools, coaches and fans about the process and help coaches with future scheduling. Then at least conferences would know where they are deficient. I know Pat Coleman has lobbied for the numbers to be made public, but it hasn't happened.

I'm sure there's some reason why the NCAA keeps the information private, but I can't think of any. Maybe their online software doesn't export the numbers, but you would think that could easily be done.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 11, 2009, 11:44:23 AM
Just to highlight the fact that the ASC beats each other up, I took a look at the champions and co-champions records this past year. UTT and MC in the east and TLU in the west. The overall records of the teams in the ASC against other ASC teams including cross-over contests and the conference tournament.

UTT 23-9
MC  21-9
TLU 21-10

So the three best teams each had at least 9 losses against teams from the conference. Double digit losses normally gets you left out so this leaves no room for an off game outside the confernce. UTT ended up with a 38-10 record with its only non-confence loss to Marrietta which was a non-regional game. TLU ended up 30-14 so it had 4 non-conference losses and MC was 30-16 with 7 non-confence losses (3 of those to Millsaps).
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 11, 2009, 11:45:14 AM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 11, 2009, 11:18:20 AM
This is second year in a row that the ASC (a conference of 15 teams) has only one representative in the playoffs. I beleive that the ASC is one of the toughest conferences in DIV III but their structure has worked against them. They have had at least two teams that have won 30 games or more in both 2008 and 2009 that did not get a pool C bid. Last year they had 3 teams sitting at home Ozarks, CTX and UTT with UTT ranked in the top 20 nationally. This year it was TLU and MC both of them division or co-division champions winning 30 games or more.

In womens softball I note the ASC is more respeceted on a national level as it had 3 teams this year in the NCAA regional (UTT, LC, ETBU).

I feel bad for the seniors that have played on the teams left behind. I am sure their teams could beat a lot of the teams from other regions that got Pool C bids and finished with less than 30 wins. 

Once again I think all of us need to lobby for the NCAA to expand to 64 teams so that this does not continue to happen. In a well balanced conference like the ASC it is difficult to have a standout as the teams continue to beat each other up. To the casual observer the lack of an obvious leader leads to a feeling that the entire conference is just average and thus they will fail to recognize the ASC as an above average conference that has multiple good teams. It is much easier to get a bid from a conference where there is only two good teams and rest very average than to get a bid from a confence with 6-8 good teams that punish each other.

It is not that we are not respected.  We just are not that much better relative to the men as our women's programs are.  There were 17 Pool C bids to give in softball and the ASC got 2.  We have received 2 bids in hoops before as well as the ASC-West did in 2006.  If we had been different conferences in softball this year, then we would have had 4 teams in the playoffs. That is a mini-bracket!

D-III allocates all of its bids to on a participation model.  For almost every sport, there is one bid for every 6.5 participants in every sport.  The only way we get to 64 bids in baseball is when we get to 416 teams playing baseball at the 1:6.5 ratio or the NCAA gets more TV money and is able to change the ratio to 1:6.00.  We would be at 64  bids at 364 schools, where we will be in baseball in 2013.

Our problem is that we are too big.  When we have 2 very good teams in the same division, then we knock out that good team and the only average division winner on the other side doesn't get a bid either. Bingo.  Only one bid.

We knock ourselves out!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 11, 2009, 11:46:55 AM
The other killer for us is our geographic isolation and the OWP/OOWP.

We don't have data for baseball, but we have had data from basketball for several seasons.  Out best teams rarely get above .500.

UTD's OWP this season for baseball was .4998!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3baseballnut on May 11, 2009, 11:54:17 AM
Quote from: RSSmith on May 09, 2009, 01:56:53 PM
Quote from: royhobbs on May 09, 2009, 01:10:27 PM
Big Poppa, after seeing dNuts -Karma grade, good thing he's not one of your students! How about St Scholastica's day yesterday? Like you say, you gotta control your own destiny.

I have to stick up for d3baseballnut.  He brings the same intensity and self confidence to these boards that he brought to the baseball diamond--intensity and self confidence that got him within one pitch of a national championship and a spot on the all-CWS team.  My sense is that folks are giving him negative karma not for what he says but for how he says it.  In debate, that's known as an "ad hominem" fallacy.  I frankly find his posts to be very thought-provoking and entertaining (even though I often disagree with them).  I think we all would miss reading what he has to say if he weren't involved.

Thanks RSSmith. Sorry guys if I am too brash in my statements. Perhaps I am a little harsh with the committee...i apologize.

I simply want to guard us from supposing that just because the committee makes a decision, it is the right one.

My heart just goes out to teams in the ASC who have great seasons and never get a shot to play for a title. I am becoming more appreciate of the two opportunities I got at Hopkins to do so. I never realized so many good teams were left out....or shall I say, certain good teams
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on May 11, 2009, 12:07:03 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 11, 2009, 11:46:55 AM
The other killer for us is our geographic isolation and the OWP/OOWP.

We don't have data for baseball, but we have had data from basketball for several seasons.  Out best teams rarely get above .500.

UTD's OWP this season for baseball was .4998!

Ralph,
   That OWP would be very telling. I took a quick look the UTD schedule and the regional records of their opponents, and I thought their OWP was much higher. I was hoping to see MC get in, but I think the ASC has four teams this year who could have won regional games. UT-Tyler, TLU, UTD and MC all had great seasons and in my opinion have better teams than some pool c selections.

  But TLU, UTD and MC can all look at losses this year that kept them out. It's much harder to see how a team like Pacific Lutheran can be #4 in the West Region with a 29-8 regional record and still get left out.

 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 11, 2009, 12:07:33 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 11, 2009, 11:46:55 AM
The other killer for us is our geographic isolation and the OWP/OOWP.

We don't have data for baseball, but we have had data from basketball for several seasons.  Out best teams rarely get above .500.

UTD's OWP this season for baseball was .4998!
Let me post my OWP for UT-Dallas tonight.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: LA Mike on May 12, 2009, 01:20:35 AM
No Head to head, but  Pac LU lost 3 out of 4 to the SCIAC teams, 2 that finished below Cal LU, one that finished above them !!!

Key to be worked on in the next few year for the ASC -- split to 2 separate conferences (correspond to the divisions)-- develop 2 AQ plus the opportunity for a Pool C...............you can do it !!!  Be guaranteed at least 2 AQ slots and from the consistent play in among the conference teams, maybe a third in the form of a pool C slot each year.......

American South East Conference  &  American South West Conference -- no more boarderline !!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on May 12, 2009, 07:33:17 PM
I think you could've made a very good case for UT Tyler last year, but this year I genuinely don't think any of the ASC teams "got shafted." If TLU takes 2 of 3 from UTD or Miss takes 2 of 3 from TLU then we can have that conversation.

Another thing to think about. The NCAA probably doesn't care about who would "win" games at a regional, but about giving the the teams that have the most likely chance of getting to the elite 8. Had any of the ASC teams got to an Elite 8 since CTX that would certainly help our case.

Crappy example, but the only thing I can think of off the top of my head: American Idol "wildcards" -- they're not picking who can "get deep," rather people they think have a definite chance of winning it all.

Cal Lutheran has a lot of depth on the bump. They've played well in a much-improved SCIAC conference this year. Could TLU or Miss win a couple of games in the regional. YES. But are they likely to come out of that regional? Probably not. Neither team has the depth on the mound. Tyler, last year, that's a potentially different story.

I'm as big of an ASC-homer as anyone, and everything everyone is staying about the strength of the ASC is undeniably true. I think year in and year out it's in the top tier (3-4) of conferences.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 12, 2009, 08:14:24 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on May 12, 2009, 07:33:17 PM
I think you could've made a very good case for UT Tyler last year, but this year I genuinely don't think any of the ASC teams "got shafted." If TLU takes 2 of 3 from UTD or Miss takes 2 of 3 from TLU then we can have that conversation.

Another thing to think about. The NCAA probably doesn't care about who would "win" games at a regional, but about giving the the teams that have the most likely chance of getting to the elite 8. Had any of the ASC teams got to an Elite 8 since CTX that would certainly help our case.

Crappy example, but the only thing I can think of off the top of my head: American Idol "wildcards" -- they're not picking who can "get deep," rather people they think have a definite chance of winning it all.

Cal Lutheran has a lot of depth on the bump. They've played well in a much-improved SCIAC conference this year. Could TLU or Miss win a couple of games in the regional. YES. But are they likely to come out of that regional? Probably not. Neither team has the depth on the mound. Tyler, last year, that's a potentially different story.

I'm as big of an ASC-homer as anyone, and everything everyone is staying about the strength of the ASC is undeniably true. I think year in and year out it's in the top tier (3-4) of conferences.

JSG
Guy, let's take this farther.

UTT batted .253 in the McMurry series!  Wow!  What dominance!  What did it take for the Co-champs of the East to beat the #3 seed in the West at home?  Scoring the go-ahead run in the bottom of the 7th... and having to score the go ahead run in the bottom of the 8th... and again not holding the lead in the top of the 9th requiring them to win game 3 in the bottom of the 9th.

The ASC is in the Top 5 conferences of the country, just a notch below the NJAC and the LEC, with talent that is distributed amongst 6-8 quality teams every season.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 12, 2009, 10:43:28 PM
This is UT-Dallas' OWP according to the Handbook.  This is why we do not compare favorably in the eyes of the committee when Pool C bids are granted.  I am sure that Mississippi College is not much different.

Opponent        Recordvs. MissCollRevised RecordRevised W/L Percentage
CTX19-163-216-14.533
Trinity23-181-323-17.575
HSU24-142-322-11.667
Whittier9-250-19-24.273
TLU28-130-428-9.757
S'western16-200-116-19.457
LaColl6-191-25-17.227
UOz13-231-212-21.364
UTT35-101-431-9.775
Miss Coll25-131-322-12.647
AC14-240-214-22.389
LeTU8-210-38-18.308
McM23-161-123-15.605
ETBU10-210-310-18.357
Total***.4957
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on May 12, 2009, 11:15:50 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 12, 2009, 10:43:28 PM
This is UT-Dallas' OWP according to the Handbook.  This is why we do not compare favorably in the eyes of the committee when Pool C bids are granted.  I am sure that Mississippi College is not much different.

Opponent        Recordvs. MissCollRevised RecordRevised W/L Percentage
CTX19-163-216-14.533
Trinity23-181-323-17.575
HSU24-142-322-11.667
Whittier9-250-19-24.273
TLU28-130-428-9.757
S'western16-200-116-19.457
LaColl6-191-25-17.227
UOz13-231-212-21.364
UTT35-101-431-9.775
Miss Coll25-131-322-12.647
AC14-240-214-22.389
LeTU8-210-38-18.308
McM23-161-123-15.605
ETBU10-210-310-18.357
Total***.4957

Ralph, great work. The numbers do not lie. SOS and OWP played a MAJOR part in the selections this year.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 12, 2009, 11:25:16 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 12, 2009, 11:15:50 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 12, 2009, 10:43:28 PM
This is UT-Dallas' OWP according to the Handbook.  This is why we do not compare favorably in the eyes of the committee when Pool C bids are granted.  I am sure that Mississippi College is not much different.

Opponent        Recordvs. MissCollRevised RecordRevised W/L Percentage
CTX19-163-216-14.533
Trinity23-181-323-17.575
HSU24-142-322-11.667
Whittier9-250-19-24.273
TLU28-130-428-9.757
S'western16-200-116-19.457
LaColl6-191-25-17.227
UOz13-231-212-21.364
UTT35-101-431-9.775
Miss Coll25-131-322-12.647
AC14-240-214-22.389
LeTU8-210-38-18.308
McM23-161-123-15.605
ETBU10-210-310-18.357
Total***.4957

Ralph, great work. The numbers do not lie. SOS and OWP played a MAJOR part in the selections this year.

UTD played 13 over the 36 possible West Region opponents for computation of the In-Region Rankings.  (They did not play non-West Region Adminstrative Region #4 teams like UW-Whitewater.)  ASC-East Division members are in bold.

Austin College is only 45 minutes away from UTD.  Those were mid-week games.

UTD drove to Abilene to get another in-region game from Whittier, which flew in for in-region games that it needed.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 13, 2009, 12:31:30 AM
Opponent   In-Region Record   Record vs Miss Coll   Revised Record   Revised W/L Percentage
Millsaps29-73-026-7.788
HPU8-170-38-14.364
TLU28-133-025-13.658
LeTU8-211-27-19.269
LaColl6-191-25-17.227
UTD27-141-326-11.703
Emory17-160-217-14.548
Rust0-90-30-6.000
ETBU10-210-310-18.357
UOz13-230-313-20.394
UTT35-103-332-7.821
UMHB19-150-219-13.594
Total***.4769

I checked the Rust website.  There is no schedule of games posted.  I found 9 D3 games among the schedules on the ASC, SCAC and GSAC member sites.  Rust went 0-9 against Miss College, Rhodes, Huntingdon and LaGrange.  Without Rust, MissColl's OWP is .5202.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on May 13, 2009, 01:17:10 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 13, 2009, 12:31:30 AM
Opponent   In-Region Record   Record vs Miss Coll   Revised Record   Revised W/L Percentage
Millsaps29-73-026-7.788
HPU8-170-38-14.364
TLU28-133-025-13.658
LeTU8-211-27-19.269
LaColl6-191-25-17.227
UTD27-141-326-11.703
Emory17-160-217-14.548
Rust0-90-30-6.000
ETBU10-210-310-18.357
UOz13-230-313-20.394
UTT35-103-332-7.821
UMHB19-150-219-13.594
Total***.4769

I checked the Rust website.  There is no schedule of games posted.  I found 9 D3 games among the schedules on the ASC, SCAC and GSAC member sites.  Rust went 0-9 against Miss College, Rhodes, Huntingdon and LaGrange.  Without Rust, MissColl's OWP is .5202.

Thanks for posting that Ralph, it reveals several things. First a question though, are the winning percentages only averaged once. So a team you play 6-7 times has the same influence on the OWP as a team you play once? That can't be right, can it?

If that is the case, it doesn't reveal much about strength of schedule. For example, MC could play Rust College 20 times and win all 20. Then play one game against UT-Tyler, Millsaps and UTD and drop all 3. We would have a 20-3 regional record and OWP of .578 because Rust's .0000 winning percentage would only be counted once.

This year, MC played UT-Tyler six times and UTD four times. That is 10 games against great competition, but it doesn't help the OWP at all because their winning percentage is factored the same as a team you play only once.

If you factored the record of each regional opponent per game, counting UT-Tyler's record six times, MC's opponents had a combined record of about 695-520 (.572). But using the NCAA's method our OWP is around .470.  The same thing applies to UTD, because they had a lot of games against us and UT-Tyler. It just doesn't make any sense.

If that is how it is calculated, then here is what ASC coaches should do. Play as many great teams out of conference as you can, but only play them once. Don't play 3 game series against great teams because they only help OWP once. Play in tournaments where you can play several good teams. If you have 16 nonconference opportunities, play single games against as many good teams as you can.

For the ASC, that is a killer because there isn't exactly a plethora of teams to play down here. And it's much worse for the Texas schools, because their options are much more limited than MC or Millsaps. At least we have a few options just East of us, but that would be major travel for the rest of the ASC.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 13, 2009, 01:36:55 AM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on May 13, 2009, 01:17:10 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 13, 2009, 12:31:30 AM
Opponent   In-Region Record   Record vs Miss Coll   Revised Record   Revised W/L Percentage
Millsaps29-73-026-7.788
HPU8-170-38-14.364
TLU28-133-025-13.658
LeTU8-211-27-19.269
LaColl6-191-25-17.227
UTD27-141-326-11.703
Emory17-160-217-14.548
Rust0-90-30-6.000
ETBU10-210-310-18.357
UOz13-230-313-20.394
UTT35-103-332-7.821
UMHB19-150-219-13.594
Total***.4769

I checked the Rust website.  There is no schedule of games posted.  I found 9 D3 games among the schedules on the ASC, SCAC and GSAC member sites.  Rust went 0-9 against Miss College, Rhodes, Huntingdon and LaGrange.  Without Rust, MissColl's OWP is .5202.

Thanks for posting that Ralph, it reveals several things.

For one, I could be wrong but my first thought would be that averaging the winning percentages would not reveal much about strength of schedule. For example, MC could play Rust College 20 times and win all 20. Then play one game against UT-Tyler, Millsaps and UTD and drop all 3. We would have a 20-3 regional record and OWP of .578.

Another example. MC played UT-Tyler six times and UTD four times. That is 10 games against great competition, but it doesn't help the OWP at all because their winning percentage is factored only once.

If you factored the record of each regional opponent per game, MC's opponents had a combined record of about 695-520 (.572). But using the NCAA's method our OWP is around .470.  The same thing applies to UTD. It just doesn't make much sense.

Here is what ASC coaches should do. Play as many great teams out of conference as you can, but only play them once. MC played Millsaps College 3 times which significantly made our schedule harder, but they only helped the OWP once.
Yeah, or bring in three Admin Region #3 teams to Jackson/Clinton.  Invite LaColl in to play 3 games.  All teams win.

The travel pairs can do this all over the conferences.

It now dawns on me that this is why the USA South went back to 2-game conference series instead of 3, to 12 conference games from 18. It allowed them to increase the sample size of the OWP!

(I wish that Millsaps would petition to move to the West Evaluation Region, so that we could get in-region games out of them, especially in the ASC-East.)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 13, 2009, 01:48:43 PM
It sounds like a flawed system that is subject to manipulation as is apparantly being done.

"Another example. MC played UT-Tyler six times and UTD four times. That is 10 games against great competition, but it doesn't help the OWP at all because their winning percentage is factored only once.

If you factored the record of each regional opponent per game, MC's opponents had a combined record of about 695-520 (.572). But using the NCAA's method our OWP is around .470.  The same thing applies to UTD. It just doesn't make much sense.
"

It sounds like this could be easily fixed by using a per game factor so that teams that play tough opponents more than once get full credit for it. The game playing of picking and choosing opponents would be minimized.  The ASC has less of a chance to due to logistics than teams in the NE to play games with the system. To me it is leveling the playing field so that teams that are in remote regions and must in essence play multiple games against certain opponents are not penalized vs teams that are located in areas where they have more options. 

Why hasn't the national brain trust thought this through?  Maybee they have and like it this way?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 13, 2009, 02:04:42 PM
Another problem is factoring in the confernce tournaments as opponents since you may have already played some of these teams before. Using MC as an example they played UTT 3 times in the tournament after having played them 3 times in the regular season. Those three games in the conference tournament hurt them since they lost 2 of them but they get only watered down credit for playing those games in evaluating the OWP (6 games).  So they loose to a tough team twice in region but only get partial credit for in the OWP for the toughness of their schedule. That is what leads teams to start trying to manipulte the system. It sounds like the ASC might be better off not even having a conference tournamen and just take their chances with Pool B. Certainly they would have beat out Chapman this year as the Pool B group was weak.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 13, 2009, 03:11:42 PM
Look at the North Eastern Athletic Conference's team stats. 

http://www.neacsports.com/MBAHTML09/lgteams.htm

Pretty frustrating that they get an automatic qualifier with a 7 team conference with those pathetic numbers, while you have the ASC with 15 teams and 6-7 VERY good teams that would destroy this conference with just one as well.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: royhobbs on May 13, 2009, 04:49:13 PM
dp- do you think the ASC will ever get split into two? Maybe two Auto berths then?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on May 13, 2009, 10:34:06 PM
Quote from: royhobbs on May 13, 2009, 04:49:13 PM
dp- do you think the ASC will ever get split into two? Maybe two Auto berths then?

I don't see it happening. They have to serve more sports than just baseball and splitting it would shrink the conference size in other sports, thereby denying themselves a Pool A bid in the process.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 13, 2009, 11:05:16 PM
Quote from: royhobbs on May 13, 2009, 04:49:13 PM
dp- do you think the ASC will ever get split into two? Maybe two Auto berths then?

This is how close the ASC is to getting 2 bids.  See Post 3501.


http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4502.3501

However, I wonder in the back of everyone's minds what might break up such a nice arrangement and the conferences fall below the minimums.

University of Dallas and Austin College have left us in this decade.

Texas Wesleyan University in Ft Worth left D-II , went thru the exploratory year and decided to go to the NAIA.

What if one of the private schools went broke in the economic downturn?

What if UT-Tyler continued to grow, and the impression among the UT-Tyler community said our peer institutions are UT-San Antonio, Sam Houston State, Stephen F Austin?  Why are we still in D-III? And then they moved on. 

Look at their archives page...

http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/archives/
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 14, 2009, 12:21:20 AM
It is quite possible that both UTT and UTD may move up to DIV II or even DIV I  at some point but that is off into the future and several years away IMO. In the DFW area there are 3 DIV I programs (UTA, TCU and Dallas Babtist).  There are no DIV II programs which leaves an opening for UTD to move up and join the Southland Conference. In East Texas the you have Steven F Austin and that is it. I think if there is a move the two schools will move in tandem and I would guess the jump would be just to DII.  However both schools do not want to emphasis sports to the extend of offering athletic scholarships at least for now.  UTT has the superior facilities of the two schools and their baseball complex is big enough right now to be a DII school. UTD would have to upgrade and there is resistance as its emphasis is on going after research money. Thus they are playing down sports whereas UTT is more actively supporting them or so it appears. However if one of the schools move up it will probably cause the other to go also as they are both members of the UT System and are developing a natural rivalry. Still the move is years away.

I am more concerned about what is in store for the next couple of years. I do not see the confence splitting so unless the NCAA changes things we will likely get more of the same treatment we have experienced the last couple of years. (one team the conference champ and occasionally a second team from Pool C.) If however the NCAA would expand to 64 teams I think we would get 2 teams and occasionally 3.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: atlas385 on May 14, 2009, 03:10:22 PM
Tommy Boggs will be announced as the next Concordia Baseball coach.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 14, 2009, 06:23:39 PM
Looks like Towns is still hurt for UTT, thats very unfortunate for them.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: royhobbs on May 14, 2009, 08:57:25 PM
All of the bellyaching about the ASC getting shafted and UTT gets Crushed by a "mediocre" Pool pick. So much for us experts-I'm listening to Big Poppa from now on. D-Nut, how bad did this mess up everyone's Madness picks. Will it be a California sweep today?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3baseballnut on May 14, 2009, 09:18:45 PM
THe UTT loss and Ithaca loss hurt alot of people.

SO did the ECSU loss
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on May 14, 2009, 09:40:19 PM
Quote from: royhobbs on May 14, 2009, 08:57:25 PM
All of the bellyaching about the ASC getting shafted and UTT gets Crushed by a "mediocre" Pool pick. So much for us experts-I'm listening to Big Poppa from now on. D-Nut, how bad did this mess up everyone's Madness picks. Will it be a California sweep today?

Well... some of us took Chapman to finish quite deep in the west region :) I have a former player or two on the Chapman roster so I have access to information that others do not. Still, it is only one game and the ASC should NOT be judged based on one game.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 14, 2009, 09:56:10 PM
An embarrasing loss. UTT put their best pitcher on the hill who has not had a bad outing all year and he picks today to lay an egg. To save face they must win the next game. They are a much better team than they showed today. I quite frankly do not know what happend but they did the same thing in the ASC tournamnet. As you may recall they were run rulled by MC in the second game then came back and beat them twice in the finals coming from 3 runs down in the bottom of the 9th in the last game. They still have most of the staff available as Vilade did not use Ziegler, Wolfe, Booher etc. They cannot go two and out. Another concern is no bats. They only had 4 hits so bad pitching today combined with no hitting produced a 16-2 loss. They got to wake up.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: royhobbs on May 14, 2009, 10:02:58 PM
Big Poppa, you're right, I'll give 'em three ;) UTT's in big trouble.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on May 15, 2009, 11:25:43 AM
Wow! I've been on a taxis trip collecting our youngest son from ASU and am currently driving back to Texas (mobile broadband is a wonderful thing)... I'm currently the passenger and just checked the scores from yesterday and was shocked to see the UTT/Chapman results!  Hendrix showed better that our ASC rep.

Sure hope UTT gets it back on track and quickly or we're not going to hear the end of it after all the bellyaching we've been doing over the selections and potenecy of the ASC, which I still believe is accurate. A one, two  and BBQ isn't going to be helpful... :(
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 15, 2009, 06:36:26 PM
UTT wins and gets to play tomorrow with a 5-3 comeback against Hendrix. UTT was trailing 3-0 going into the 8th but exploded for 5 runs on 9 hits in the top of the 8th. Tommy Rozzel got the win in relief of Blake Booher working 2 2/3ds  scoreless innings. UTT saved their ace closer Ziegler who has yet to make an appearance. I expect Wolfe to start game 3. Another late inning rally to save themselves - this is becoming uncomfortably too common. But the bats may have finally woke up which is a good sign.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on May 15, 2009, 09:16:28 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 15, 2009, 06:36:26 PM
UTT wins and gets to play tomorrow with a 5-3 comeback against Hendrix. UTT was trailing 3-0 going into the 8th but exploded for 5 runs on 9 hits in the top of the 8th. Tommy Rozzel got the win in relief of Blake Booher working 2 2/3ds  scoreless innings. UTT saved their ace closer Ziegler who has yet to make an appearance. I expect Wolfe to start game 3. Another late inning rally to save themselves - this is becoming uncomfortably too common. But the bats may have finally woke up which is a good sign.

You said it TexasBB, UTT will certainly need to be on tomorrow as it looks like they will face PP as GF is hammering the number1 seed at the moment in the eight... I guess the question now is who, after today will remain unscathed Cal Lu or Chapman?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 15, 2009, 09:35:20 PM
Quote from: Dawgsdad on May 15, 2009, 09:16:28 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 15, 2009, 06:36:26 PM
UTT wins and gets to play tomorrow with a 5-3 comeback against Hendrix. UTT was trailing 3-0 going into the 8th but exploded for 5 runs on 9 hits in the top of the 8th. Tommy Rozzel got the win in relief of Blake Booher working 2 2/3ds  scoreless innings. UTT saved their ace closer Ziegler who has yet to make an appearance. I expect Wolfe to start game 3. Another late inning rally to save themselves - this is becoming uncomfortably too common. But the bats may have finally woke up which is a good sign.

You said it TexasBB, UTT will certainly need to be on tomorrow as it looks like they will face PP as GF is hammering the number1 seed at the moment in the eight... I guess the question now is who, after today will remain unscathed Cal Lu or Chapman?
UTT plays the Cal LU Chapman loser.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on May 15, 2009, 10:01:51 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 15, 2009, 09:35:20 PM
Quote from: Dawgsdad on May 15, 2009, 09:16:28 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 15, 2009, 06:36:26 PM
UTT wins and gets to play tomorrow with a 5-3 comeback against Hendrix. UTT was trailing 3-0 going into the 8th but exploded for 5 runs on 9 hits in the top of the 8th. Tommy Rozzel got the win in relief of Blake Booher working 2 2/3ds  scoreless innings. UTT saved their ace closer Ziegler who has yet to make an appearance. I expect Wolfe to start game 3. Another late inning rally to save themselves - this is becoming uncomfortably too common. But the bats may have finally woke up which is a good sign.

You said it TexasBB, UTT will certainly need to be on tomorrow as it looks like they will face PP as GF is hammering the number1 seed at the moment in the eight... I guess the question now is who, after today will remain unscathed Cal Lu or Chapman?
UTT plays the Cal LU Chapman loser.

Actually Ralph, it's listed that UTT will play George Fox (Game 5) at 3:30 PDT. I thought it was going to be loser vs loser, that's why I mentioned PP, but I was wrong - it is apparently the winner of game 5 vs the winner of game 4.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 15, 2009, 10:55:06 PM
http://www.linfield.edu/sports/ncaaregionals.php

Yeah, it looks like it was changed and that makes more sense.

Thanks for staying on this!  +1!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 15, 2009, 11:08:34 PM
According to statistics (for what they are worth) the pitching match up tomorrow should favor UTT. The Patriots will likely start Lex Wolfe who has a 3.53 ERA in 58.1 innings with 8 starts on the season and 5-1 record. They also have a rested Beau Zigler in the pen who has yet to pitch in the regional. He should be good for 2 plus innings if necessary.

George Fox will likely start Shane Dalglesh who is 7-1 with 12 starts this year but has a high 6.57 ERA. Their next option is Travis Schoeder who is 5.2 but has only started 3 games with a 5.91 ERA neither of these pitchers has a complete game this year. The closer Chad Jones was used today and had to work 2.2 innings but only faced 9 batters giving up 1 hit and 1 walk but 2 runs. He is probably available for only 1 inning tomorrow.

The George Fox team has a much higher batting average .370 vs .343 for UTT. So they have the edge in that department although they don't have a power hitting team as only 1 player has 10 home runs on the season. UTT has more power and it is spread out.  Should be interesting. I think if Wolfe is on can turn the ball over to Ziegler plus the bats pick up where they leff off today they will win tomorrow. Unfortunetely that is a lot of iffs and the reverse can happen as George Fox just beat the #1 seed and the #1 team in the country.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 15, 2009, 11:23:34 PM
Here are the statistics for the GFU 2004 National Championship Team (http://www.nwcsports.com/sports/bsb/2003-04/stats/gfu.htm#team.mlb).

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: royhobbs on May 16, 2009, 01:09:27 AM
As proven Thursday, you can throw the stats out the window. UTT will be in a good old fashioned shootout. Better hope the bats are heating up, I'm taking the overs. Fox wins 10-6.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HALLEBASEBALL on May 16, 2009, 02:43:52 AM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 11, 2009, 11:18:20 AM
This is second year in a row that the ASC (a conference of 15 teams) has only one representative in the playoffs. I beleive that the ASC is one of the toughest conferences in DIV III but their structure has worked against them. They have had at least two teams that have won 30 games or more in both 2008 and 2009 that did not get a pool C bid. Last year they had 3 teams sitting at home Ozarks, CTX and UTT with UTT ranked in the top 20 nationally. This year it was TLU and MC both of them division or co-division champions winning 30 games or more.

In womens softball I note the ASC is more respeceted on a national level as it had 3 teams this year in the NCAA regional (UTT, LC, ETBU).

I feel bad for the seniors that have played on the teams left behind. I am sure their teams could beat a lot of the teams from other regions that got Pool C bids and finished with less than 30 wins. 

Once again I think all of us need to lobby for the NCAA to expand to 64 teams so that this does not continue to happen. In a well balanced conference like the ASC it is difficult to have a standout as the teams continue to beat each other up. To the casual observer the lack of an obvious leader leads to a feeling that the entire conference is just average and thus they will fail to recognize the ASC as an above average conference that has multiple good teams. It is much easier to get a bid from a conference where there is only two good teams and rest very average than to get a bid from a confence with 6-8 good teams that punish each other.


Been listening to this for 10 years Texas Baseball play 9 innings play real competion not Bible Schools or Schools like Cal Tech OR Oxy come to Cali And play some 9 inning games. Split your conferance up for the oppertuny to have more teams getting a chance to beat Chapman or GFU to get that chance for a National Championship.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on May 16, 2009, 12:28:05 PM
Well Halles the thing thats different here in Texas is the paridy in baseball and the quility of the athletes in Texas allows the bible beater schools and the ones your refering to compete or even manhandle  your little so called bible schools in Cali. That smack is weak man, I Know you can do better than that, did you even play ball. Prob not. And with that spelling im not even sure you went to any college or a bible college my friend.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: royhobbs on May 16, 2009, 12:40:17 PM
Black cat, you're right, some pretty weak smack from Halles. That said, UTT's got to back up all the ASC crying that's been going on. They were lucky to beat the weakest team in the Regional yesterday, and have already thrown the B and B boys. Could be in line for some early exit Salt Lick BBQ if they don't swing the bats better.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 16, 2009, 12:59:14 PM
Quote from: royhobbs on May 16, 2009, 12:40:17 PM
Black cat, you're right, some pretty weak smack from Halles. That said, UTT's got to back up all the ASC crying that's been going on. They were lucky to beat the weakest team in the Regional yesterday, and have already thrown the B and B boys. Could be in line for some early exit Salt Lick BBQ if they don't swing the bats better.
ASC parity is just that... parity.

Overall, I think that the ASC is down this year.  Lots of teams lost plenty of quality.

The problem with parity is that parity makes for great baseball pennant chases and tight tournaments, but it doesn't have a strong dominating team that shines brightly on the biggest stage.

The TLU teams in from the mid-decade were really good, but they broke above the parity.

In 2008, Trinity was the SCAC Pool A, but had a losing record against the Top 4 teams in the ASC .  In last year's regional, ASC-West quad-champ McMurry (how about that for parity) lost to Chapman on a 2-out , bottom of the 12th Patrick Ohail walk-off 2-run HR, 5-3.

The good thing about this season for us West Region fans is that lots of new fans have come to know the West Region better, and how solid West Region play really is.  Off the message boards, several of us ASC observers thought that the conference was down about a half-step, and that several 2008 ASC teams would have been more competitive than their 2009 counterparts.

This is UTT's first rodeo, so we know that their returning players will realize just how good it is at this level.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: royhobbs on May 16, 2009, 01:37:21 PM
Ralph, excellent observations and very objective summary. West region is very tough, just have to prove it on the diamond.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 17, 2009, 08:51:12 PM
Just one correction UTT finished 39-12 on the season just one short of 40.

Although they did not reach their ultimate goal it was a successful season and one they can be proud of. This team had heart and could have folded a number of times but did not. I heard from a reliable source inside that the team was dinged up and that a number of the key pitchers had sore arms entering the regional. The ASC tournament was grueling and took somthing out of them. They had to win 6 games since they came up through the loosers bracket. Even with a week of rest they were not 100%. Sometimes conference tournaments end up elliminating the champion as well as those that didn't win it. UTT played 51 games this year and to have won the regional they needed to win 3 or 4 more. They did not hit in this tournament like they did during the regular season. I think part of that is because they were playing in all of the games from behind. That puts preasure on the hitters who then press and are not relaxed. A hitter must be relaxed, he cannot be tense at the plate. If you are always behind and feel preasure to produce it is hard to relax. Just one possible explanation for the lack of hitting.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: infielddad on May 18, 2009, 11:41:23 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 16, 2009, 12:59:14 PM
Quote from: royhobbs on May 16, 2009, 12:40:17 PM
Black cat, you're right, some pretty weak smack from Halles. That said, UTT's got to back up all the ASC crying that's been going on. They were lucky to beat the weakest team in the Regional yesterday, and have already thrown the B and B boys. Could be in line for some early exit Salt Lick BBQ if they don't swing the bats better.
ASC parity is just that... parity.

Overall, I think that the ASC is down this year.  Lots of teams lost plenty of quality.

The problem with parity is that parity makes for great baseball pennant chases and tight tournaments, but it doesn't have a strong dominating team that shines brightly on the biggest stage.

The TLU teams in from the mid-decade were really good, but they broke above the parity.

In 2008, Trinity was the SCAC Pool A, but had a losing record against the Top 4 teams in the ASC .  In last year's regional, ASC-West quad-champ McMurry (how about that for parity) lost to Chapman on a 2-out , bottom of the 12th Patrick Ohail walk-off 2-run HR, 5-3.

The good thing about this season for us West Region fans is that lots of new fans have come to know the West Region better, and how solid West Region play really is.  Off the message boards, several of us ASC observers thought that the conference was down about a half-step, and that several 2008 ASC teams would have been more competitive than their 2009 counterparts.

This is UTT's first rodeo, so we know that their returning players will realize just how good it is at this level.

Ralph, you would know much better than I would above the relative strength of the ASC from year to year.
As with much in baseball, stats like the 2008 reference to Trinity may or may not tell the story.  I think if we go back to 2008, there will be a number of posts, probably by me, about how young TU was in 2/08 and how Oates/Bronson and the pitching would need to carry a team starting 6-7 freshman until the hitters adjusted and learned how to play/compete and succeed.  They sure did by the end of the year and proved it in the SCAC's and West Regional. 
Since Trinity returned most of its 2008 team, sans Oates/Fregosi, one would expect the ASC record against a stronger, more experienced Trinity 2009 team suggests  this year being a very good one  in the ASC???
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on May 18, 2009, 12:27:18 PM
Quote from: infielddad on May 18, 2009, 11:41:23 AM
Ralph, you would know much better than I would above the relative strength of the ASC from year to year.
As with much in baseball, stats like the 2008 reference to Trinity may or may not tell the story.  I think if we go back to 2008, there will be a number of posts, probably by me, about how young TU was in 2/08 and how Oates/Bronson and the pitching would need to carry a team starting 6-7 freshman until the hitters adjusted and learned how to play/compete and succeed.  They sure did by the end of the year and proved it in the SCAC's and West Regional. 
Since Trinity returned most of its 2008 team, sans Oates/Fregosi, one would expect the ASC record against a stronger, more experienced Trinity 2009 team suggests  this year being a very good one  in the ASC???

I agree with you. Just my opinion, but the ASC was not down this year. A couple teams were somewhat down, but the conference as a whole was the same or better. I don't think the best ASC representative made a regional this year which could give some people the wrong impression.  That is not a knock on UT-Tyler, but they were far from full strength at the end of the year. They returned just about their entire roster except for a couple guys, and added two great players in Chad Daleiden and Paige Hodges, but they were not the same team at the end.

They are a championship program and nobody else could put them out in the ASC tournament, where I thought they could have been the 4th best team with a depleted roster.  They scored three in the 9th to beat TLU 7-6, were run-ruled by MC, scored a pair of late runs to beat UTD 4-3, then had a miracle once-in-a-lifetime rally to beat MC in the championship. Like I said, they are a championship program and won because of that tradition, but they were unlucky with injuries, people shouldn't hold that against them because they had a great team.  Holland had a bad start in the regional and that really put them behind the 8-ball, because he never has a bad start and has been the ASC's best for about 3 years.

UT-Tyler returned just about their entire pitching staff that posted a 3.02 ERA in 2008, but it jumped to 4.10 this year. Their conference-only ERA shot up from 2.42 to 4.44. Those are the same guys from a year ago, but I think the hitting was much better this year in the league. As a conference more runs, doubles, homeruns and stolen bases. You could argue the pitching must have been down, but just the fact that UT-Tyler had the same staff both years would indicate it wasn't just the pitching.

UT-Tyler had a great team, MC was vastly improved (especially second half), UTD had a great lineup and pitched well late, TLU was back this year and could have done some damage if Tyler doesn't score 3 runs in the 9th against them, and the West Division had 4-5 good teams slugging it out again this year. Concordia not even making the postseason should say something, because they have a tandem of starters who could match up with anyone in the West Region. It was not a bad year for the ASC, just an unfortunate ending.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on May 18, 2009, 12:47:38 PM
Just to look ahead to next year, I hope everyone is improved and the conference can make a step up with success in a regional.

MC returns pretty much the entire lineup and should score a lot of runs. We lose most of the pitching but return Tyler Seaman who I think will have a great year. It's a long time til August, but right now we are expecting a great group of incoming players.

UT-Tyler loses a ton of talent, but they will just reload. They will have an entirely different team in 09.

How are the other teams in the ASC looking for 09? Who are the favorites?

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 18, 2009, 12:55:15 PM
With Tommy Boggs and a new facility at CTX, they should be back, and now we are back to the same 8-9 teams beating the bejeebers out of each other!  :-\
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 19, 2009, 05:17:50 PM
Predictions for next year - (without knowing anything about recruiting class)

In the east MC and UTD next year will be the teams contending for the top spot. UTT graduates just about their entire starting lineup - 14 players including pitchers Holland, Booher, Ziegler, Wolfe, Rozzell and Campbell. They will get some quality from JUCOs but not enough to fill all those spots. I expect them to make the confernce tournament but as a 3rd place team. The team that used to be a power that hasn't for a couple of years is ETBU. They still are a power in Softball but have fallen off in baseball look for them to improve next year and battle Ozarks and LC  for the 4th spot.

I am less familiar with the west but their are pleanty of you that can fill in predictions for how that division comes out. I don't see any big powerhouse in the east but MC is got to be the early favorite and of course their always could be a surprise.


Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on May 19, 2009, 09:38:57 PM
Congratulations to the seven ASC players who were named D3baseball.com All-Americans. The ASC had 7 of the 50 total guys selected, very impressive.

http://www.gochoctaws.com/documents/2009/5/19/D3baseball.com-AllAmer-09.pdf?id=308

First Team
Javier Arrieta, SS, Sul Ross
Cody Ross, 3B, UTD
Bo Bell, OF, MS College

Second Team
Jeremy Macklin, Utility, Texas Lutheran

Third Team
Brett Hinson, P, MS College
Jared Smith, OF, UTD
Regan Dixon, DH, HSU
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on May 20, 2009, 02:56:45 AM
Whats the draft look like. for the ASC. Im hearing the scouts really like Michael Johnson of CTX and may give WIlliams a shot.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 20, 2009, 10:18:01 AM
Holland and Ziegler are possible late round picks from UTT. Holland was drafted last year in the late rounds.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: chakote on May 20, 2009, 09:33:35 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 17, 2009, 08:51:12 PM
Just one correction UTT finished 39-12 on the season just one short of 40.

Although they did not reach their ultimate goal it was a successful season and one they can be proud of. This team had heart and could have folded a number of times but did not. I heard from a reliable source inside that the team was dinged up and that a number of the key pitchers had sore arms entering the regional. The ASC tournament was grueling and took somthing out of them. They had to win 6 games since they came up through the loosers bracket. Even with a week of rest they were not 100%. Sometimes conference tournaments end up elliminating the champion as well as those that didn't win it. UTT played 51 games this year and to have won the regional they needed to win 3 or 4 more. They did not hit in this tournament like they did during the regular season. I think part of that is because they were playing in all of the games from behind. That puts preasure on the hitters who then press and are not relaxed. A hitter must be relaxed, he cannot be tense at the plate. If you are always behind and feel preasure to produce it is hard to relax. Just one possible explanation for the lack of hitting.

After watching them in the regionals I was very impressed with the coaching all the way down to the fans in the bleachers, very well mannered and the can walk away with there heads held high. first class program all the down the line.  there were other teams in the regionals that were less well mannered and I will not mention some of the 3rd class kids that acted like a bunch of little leaguers that were not taught any concept of how to let alone play the game but sore losers from the kids down to the fans. Bush league IMHO

Texas UTT first class all the way and they should be proud of there accomplisments it isn't easy making it to the regionals and I have a strong feeling that this won't be there last western regional appearance.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on May 21, 2009, 09:43:08 AM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 20, 2009, 10:18:01 AM
Holland and Ziegler are possible late round picks from UTT. Holland was drafted last year in the late rounds.

Macklin and Harvey are possible picks from TLU. They both have "invitation only" invites ahead of the draft.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 21, 2009, 02:39:32 PM
Villegas from UMHB has an "invite only" as well. I really dont think these things are that big a deal though.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on May 21, 2009, 04:07:09 PM
Its def a step in the door to show what you have
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 21, 2009, 05:07:13 PM
Agreed, and I am not knocking it, Im just stating a fact that it doesnt mean you will get drafted.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on May 21, 2009, 10:53:39 PM
Quote from: dp643 on May 21, 2009, 05:07:13 PM
Agreed, and I am not knocking it, Im just stating a fact that it doesnt mean you will get drafted.

I agree with you completely dp643 - there is no sure bet when it comes to the draft. Blackcat00 is accurate also, it is an opportunity to show your stuff. We had an 8 hour work out last year with the Nationals, they were all over Jeremy... discussed money about three different times and we left feeling really positive, but on draft day, nothing. The biggest change this year, besides the invites, is we've made it onto the Scouting Bureau's radar - this I understand is huge.  All I know is at least all 30 teams now know of him and have access to all the notes, comments, etc... from all that have seen him this year or in past years. But it's like you've said, it doesn't mean you'll be drafted... it happens when it happens...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on May 22, 2009, 03:07:14 AM
The draft is a wierd thing, Ive played with guys that blew my mind that they didnt get drafted and Ive played with guys that got drafted and your blown away at how they got drafted and what the scouts saw in them. Its all about concept and little things these guys see in these young raw athletes.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 22, 2009, 11:33:43 AM
Congrats to the d3baseball.com All-American players from the ASC!

1st Team - Cody Ross, Javier Arrietta

2nd Team - Jeremy Macklin

3rd Team - Brett Hinson, Reagan Dixon, Jered Smith

Honorable Mention - Joseph Villegas, Brett Holland, Brad Orosey
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on May 22, 2009, 04:40:20 PM
Quote from: dp643 on May 22, 2009, 11:33:43 AM
Congrats to the d3baseball.com All-American players from the ASC!

1st Team - Cody Ross, Javier Arrietta

2nd Team - Jeremy Macklin

3rd Team - Brett Hinson, Reagan Dixon, Jered Smith

Honorable Mention - Joseph Villegas, Brett Holland, Brad Orosey


Definitely Congrats as well. I do believe that we missed on - Bo Bell of MC was a first team selection. That makes 7 from the ASC as noted in the ASC press release.


In addition to these Seven, there were 23 from the ASC that made the various All-West Region Teams. Note there are 53 slots among these three teams of which the ASC holds 24 of them (Macklin is listed as a UTL (position player and Pitcher). Pretty good showing if you as me ;)

First team Honors:

Regan Dixon - HSU
Tre Lips - MCM
Cody Ross - UTD
Javier Arrieta - SRSU
Brett Hinson - MC (All-West Region Pitcher of the Year)
Brad Orosey - TLU

Second Team Honors:

J. T. Armstrong - HSU
Brock Lemire - UTT
Joseph Villegas - UMHB
Jake Mullin - MCM
Tom Williams - CTX
Jeremy Macklin - TLU
Brett Holland - UTT
Michael Johnson - CTX

Third Team Honors:

Jared Hood - UTT
Adam Huded - UTD
Chad Daleiden - UTT
Kyle Harvey - TLU
Jeremy Harding - UTT
Beau Ziegler - UTT
Blake Booher - UTT
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on June 11, 2009, 03:15:03 PM
Concrats to CTX pitcher Michael Johnson getting drafted by the New York Mets
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on June 12, 2009, 05:24:12 PM
Congrats to Brett Holland to be drafted by the Padres. This is the second year in a row he was drafted.

So the American Southwest Confernce has 2 pitchers drafted this year. This represents 2 out of a total of 19 DIV III players taken overall.

Given that those taken were pitchers speaks highly of the pitching talent in the league. In addition to those drafted there were several players in the conference that have already signed with independent minor league teams and more will follow.

The talent in the conference is there. We just need to get more teams in the NCAA so we can show our stuff.

TexasBB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on June 13, 2009, 10:24:15 AM
I must admit to being mildly annoyed that Tom Williams and Javier Arrieta didn't get even a late-round look. Hopefully Arrieta can get drafted next year, and I hope Williams gets a free agent look.

If Jason Winkler (who IMO was solid enough but nothing special) could get a free agent look a few years back, surely players like Williams and Arrieta deserve one as well. Granted, they may wash out after a year or two, but still, give the guys a shot.

Re: UTT pitching

2008 - 378 IP, .304 BABIP, 0.64 HR/9, 2.50 BB/9, 3.02 ERA
2009 - 432 IP, .333 BABIP, 0.89 HR/9, 3.73 BB/9, 4.10 ERA

Regression to the mean on BABIP, an extra quarter-homer every 9 innings, and extra walk every 9 innings. Yeah, that'll bring the ERA up a little bit.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on June 15, 2009, 09:34:13 AM
Williams definitely had some special power. I am surprised as well someone didnt take a late round stab. Maybe his defense cost him that?

The ball exploded off his bat.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on June 15, 2009, 09:33:38 PM
I never got to see him play as much as I'd have liked. From what I saw, though, I find it hard to believe that his defense was bad enough to turn everyone off from his bat. But then, I'm not a pro baseball scout.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on June 16, 2009, 09:17:11 AM
Quote from: CUAfan on June 15, 2009, 09:33:38 PM
I never got to see him play as much as I'd have liked. From what I saw, though, I find it hard to believe that his defense was bad enough to turn everyone off from his bat. But then, I'm not a pro baseball scout.

I don't want this to come across too critical of Tom, I've watched him play since Macklin and the local Austin guys were little. Tom is what they call a "groove" hitter - if it's in the right place at the right time - lookout, otherwise it's nothing to write home about.  Had it had a season like his Junior year, perhaps he'd get more looks. Honestly, he didn't look good at the National's workout ahead of the draft. Could not throw the ball to second base from right field. Struck out three times during the batting part of the workout.  Just didn't show well.

Macklin is headed to Alpine today to join the Big Bend Cowboys of the Continental league - joining CTX's Szkotak who is also out in Alpine with the Cowboys.

I'm surprised at how low (1.25%) D-III players make up the draft pool. Only two out of the ASC have gotten the opportunity to be apart of an affiliated team. Several have signed with indy teams and it remains possible that we will see some of these guys on affiliated rosters soon. Perhaps Tom will have an opportunity within Indy baseball, but I'm not sure if his desire to play beyond college is that strong... just don't know.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on June 16, 2009, 02:10:02 PM
Tom Williams 2008: .353 BA/.524 OBP/.814 SLG
Tom Williams 2009: .393 BA/.480 OBP/.827 SLG

From a 1.338 OPS down to a 1.307 OPS doesn't seem like much of a drop to me. He had practically the same season in 2008 and 2009, and he was much less dependent on a high BABIP than comparable OPS hitters as I recall.

I still think of it this way. If Jason Winkler was good enough for the Reds to put in rookie ball, Tom Williams is good enough to get an equal shot with somebody.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on June 17, 2009, 11:33:46 AM
If Drew Headman with his numbers barely missed getting drafted (fouth from the last guy picked) then I can't see how Tom would get a shot. Perhaps in Indy ball, but there are a number of hitter that had better numbers than Williams, and they too are on the outside looking in...  Apparently offensive numbers alone doesn't cut it...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ATX on June 17, 2009, 02:16:44 PM
Tom should of got a shot for sure he can flat out hit. But on a good note for him he will be playing with the Bay Area Torros this weekend in the Continental League along with Coburn. So both of them will be getting a start at pro ball to show what they can do and show the scouts that they can play at this level and them maybe get a shot in the future in playing affiliated ball.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: infielddad on June 17, 2009, 07:15:06 PM
From everything I learned, little to none of the offensive stats at the DIII level makes a difference in getting  drafted.
One issue with Hedman could be his age.  From Milb, he will be 23 on July 20.  That does not at all help him.
Things that help a DIII position player get drafted include speed, athleticism, a short swing/direct to the ball with hand speed through the ball, versatility and playing multiple positions, a plus arm on the 20/80 scale, having demonstrated ability with the wood bat against DI level pitching, and continued and sustained improvement every year of your college career.
Trying to translate DIII offensive stats based on the use of metal bats isn't something scouts spend any time doing, as those stats do not translate to Milb and wood.
As a DIII position player, if scouts feel your talent level has flattened and cannot find projection and ability to get better, the player won't get drafted.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on June 17, 2009, 07:36:39 PM
Fair enough, infielddad, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. :P
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on June 18, 2009, 11:16:50 AM
Quote from: ATX on June 17, 2009, 02:16:44 PM
Tom should of got a shot for sure he can flat out hit. But on a good note for him he will be playing with the Bay Area Torros this weekend in the Continental League along with Coburn. So both of them will be getting a start at pro ball to show what they can do and show the scouts that they can play at this level and them maybe get a shot in the future in playing affiliated ball.


Heard that Williams and Coburn have signed with the Torros. It will be good to see four strong ASC players facing off tonight  and over the next four days down in Alpine.  Best of luck to all of them...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ATX on June 18, 2009, 02:01:49 PM
make it 7 ASC players going at it tonight! Yurchick from McMurry and Hudson from Ozarks are also on the Torros. Dixon from Ozarks is on the Cowboys as well so it should be a fun night for the former ASC players!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on June 20, 2009, 11:38:23 AM
ASC players in Big Bend last night who logged time.

Steven Yurchick, SS - 1/3, single, walk, stolen base; 2 putouts, 4 assists, 1 error
Tom Williams, DH - 1/4, single, 2 strikeouts
Kyle Hudson, RP - 1.1 IP, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 H, 1 BB, 2 K

Side note: Bay Area Toros website has Yurchick as having played college ball at "McMurray State".
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Season to-date stats for all the former ASC players in the pros that I know about.

Jonathan Miller (CTX/Florence Freedom) - 12.1 IP, 3.65 ERA, 13 H, 5 BB, 8 K, .277 Avg against
Steven Yurchick (MCM/Bay Area Toros) - 80 AB, 23 H, 1 2B, 2 3B, .288/.341/.350
Tom Williams (CTX/Bay Area Toros) - 4 AB, 1 H, .250/.250/.250
Kyle Hudson (UO/Bay Area Toros) - 21.0 IP, 0.86 ERA, 14 H, 7 BB, 21 K, .194 Avg against
Curt Dixon (UO/Big Bend Cowboys) - 18.1 IP, 2.45 ERA, 10 H, 8 BB, 17 K, .156 Avg against
Stephen Szkotak (CTX/Big Bend Cowboys) - 4.2 IP, 11.57 ERA, 6 H, 1 BB, 5 K, .316 Avg against
Jacob Kaase (TLU/Bakersfield Blaze*) - 206 AB, 53 H, 11 2B, 4 3B, 4 HR, .300/.408/.708

* designates players in MLB organizations; statistics for entire year, possibly across levels

I know I have to have missed people, so let me know and I'll track them down too! :P From what I could tell on milb.com, Michael Johnson has signed and been sent to the Brooklyn Cyclones, Brett Holland hasn't signed yet, and Nathan Jennings and Brett Amyx are no longer in MLB organizations. Going to try to track them to independent leagues though.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on June 20, 2009, 02:48:22 PM
Macklin signed with the Cowboys and have seen action the last two nights against the Bay Area Toros...

Macklin, Jeremy [TLU] (3B)  2 games, 3 for 9, 1 2B, 3 RBI, .333/.444/.333
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on June 20, 2009, 04:09:44 PM
So that's who that was. I saw "Macklin" on the Cowboys stats but never thought to check if it was the Macklin from TLU.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on June 20, 2009, 05:48:17 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on June 20, 2009, 04:09:44 PM
So that's who that was. I saw "Macklin" on the Cowboys stats but never thought to check if it was the Macklin from TLU.
Yeah that's the same Macklin. When not drafted one has to start somewhere :P

If you're following these guys in general, don't be surprised to see pitching stats on top of his stats as a position player...for Macklin. He may likely get sent to the bump before the weekend is done...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ATX on June 21, 2009, 01:02:35 AM
the pitching stats for most of the Big Bend guys are a bit skewed in that they are missing some innings and they gave some guys a couple runs that werent theirs and they were put in the system by hand well after the games not counting in the runs that were earned or unearned. They should have them updated soon so check back in later to see.

www.bigbendcowboys.com

you can go here to keep up with some of these guys or go to the Continental League website.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on June 21, 2009, 10:33:50 PM
From milb.com, it looks like Brett Holland signed and has been sent to the Padres AZL team.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 26, 2009, 12:46:56 AM
McMurry's Stephen Derrick is with the St Paul Saints

http://www.saintsbaseball.com/team/roster/index.html?player_id=120
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on June 27, 2009, 10:54:01 AM
ASC pro's stat update:

Hitters
Steven Yurchick (Bay Area Toros) - .289/.349/.341, 2 3B, 13 SB
Tom Williams (Bay Area Toros) - .200/.200/.200, 5 AB, 2 K
Jacob Kaase (Bakersfield Blaze*) - .249/.291/.394, 11 2B, 35 K
Jeremy Macklin (Big Bend Cowboys) - .333/.316/.389, 18 AB, 5 K
Stephen Derrick (St. Paul Saints) - .100/.182/.100, 10 AB, 2 K

Pitchers
Jonathan Miller (Florence Freedom) - 15.1 IP, 2.93 ERA, 9 K, 6 BB, 1 HR
Kyle Hudson (Bay Area Toros) - 21.0 IP, 0.86 ERA, 21 K, 7 BB, 0 HR
Curt Dixon (Big Bend Cowboys) - 20.1 IP, 3.10 ERA, 20 K, 10 BB, 1 HR
Stephen Szkotak (Big Bend Cowboys) - 9.2 IP, 7.45 ERA, 12 K, 1 BB, 1 HR
Brett Holland (AZL Padres*) - 4.0 IP, 0.00 ERA, 3 K, 1 BB, 0 HR

Michael Johnson has yet to make an appearance, and I swear I saw Matt Coburn on either the Big Bend or the Bay Area roster but I cannot find him.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on June 29, 2009, 06:36:25 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on June 27, 2009, 10:54:01 AM
ASC pro's stat update:

Hitters
Steven Yurchick (Bay Area Toros) - .289/.349/.341, 2 3B, 13 SB
Tom Williams (Bay Area Toros) - .200/.200/.200, 5 AB, 2 K
Jacob Kaase (Bakersfield Blaze*) - .249/.291/.394, 11 2B, 35 K
Jeremy Macklin (Big Bend Cowboys) - .333/.316/.389, 18 AB, 5 K
Stephen Derrick (St. Paul Saints) - .100/.182/.100, 10 AB, 2 K

Pitchers
Jonathan Miller (Florence Freedom) - 15.1 IP, 2.93 ERA, 9 K, 6 BB, 1 HR
Kyle Hudson (Bay Area Toros) - 21.0 IP, 0.86 ERA, 21 K, 7 BB, 0 HR
Curt Dixon (Big Bend Cowboys) - 20.1 IP, 3.10 ERA, 20 K, 10 BB, 1 HR
Stephen Szkotak (Big Bend Cowboys) - 9.2 IP, 7.45 ERA, 12 K, 1 BB, 1 HR
Brett Holland (AZL Padres*) - 4.0 IP, 0.00 ERA, 3 K, 1 BB, 0 HR

Michael Johnson has yet to make an appearance, and I swear I saw Matt Coburn on either the Big Bend or the Bay Area roster but I cannot find him.

Matt Coburn is on the Bay Area Toros roster and has one start under his belt (no decision).

http://howesportsdata.com/howesportsdata/stats/baseball/cbl/382tm.txt

Additionally, Mississippi Colleges' Hinson is on the Alexanderia Aces roster and just joined the team I believe back on the 25th of June - actually saw action in a 14 inning Aces lost against Big Bend.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on June 29, 2009, 07:01:31 PM
Thanks, Dawgsdad. I'll be sure to include those two next time I put an update post together. :)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on July 02, 2009, 11:14:30 PM
There are 5 playing pro ball from this years UTT team:

Holland with the Padres organization which several have noted above but in addition:

Bo Ziegler and Daleiden are playing independent baseball for the Evansville Otters in Indiana.

Also Tommy Rozzell and Paige Hodges are playing for the Coastal Kingfish in Houston.

I don't have their stats but they should be posted on the teams websites.

I had a son that played independent pro baseball back in 2005 for the now defunct Mesa Minors in the Golden Baseball league. It is quite an experience and the better independent leagues are filled with former double and tripple
A players trying to recover from an injury or just not ready to hang them up. The quality of play is higher than low A or rookie league and would be competitive with high A ball. That is quiete a jump for alot of DIII players expecially since many have not played since late April or early May.

Good luck to all of the kids they are getting paid to play and even if they don't make it past independent ball they are still playing professionally and that is a very select group.

TexasBB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on July 03, 2009, 08:32:43 PM
ASC pro's stat update:

Hitters
Steven Yurchick (Bay Area Toros) - .302/.349/.354, 2 3B, 15 SB
Tom Williams (Bay Area Toros) - .375/.412/.688, 2 2B, 1 HR
Jacob Kaase (Bakersfield Blaze*) - .257/.295/.400, 13 2B, 4 HR
Jeremy Macklin (Big Bend Cowboys) - .400/.407/.600, 2 2B, 1 HR
Paige Hodges (Coastal Kingfish) - .333/.333/.417, 1 2B, 3 K

Pitchers
Jonathan Miller (Florence Freedom) - 21.1 IP, 3.80 ERA, 15 K, 7 BB, 1 HR
Kyle Hudson (Bay Area Toros) - 21.2 IP, 1.25 ERA, 22 K, 8 BB, 0 HR
Curt Dixon (Big Bend Cowboys) - 25.2 IP, 3.51 ERA, 26 K, 11 BB, 1 HR
Stephen Szkotak (Big Bend Cowboys) - 10.2 IP, 6.75 ERA, 13 K, 2 BB, 1 HR
Brett Holland (AZL Padres*) - 4.1 IP, 0.00 ERA, 7 K, 1 BB, 0 HR
Matt Coburn (Bay Area Toros) - 9.2 IP, 3.72 ERA, 14 K, 4 BB, 1 HR
Beau Ziegler (Evansville Otters) - 10.1 IP, 6.10 ERA, 7 K, 6 BB, 0 HR
Tommy Rozell (Coastal Kingfish) - 13.2 IP, 10.54 ERA, 6 K, 5 BB, 4 HR
Michael Johnson (Brooklyn Cyclones*) - 2.0 IP, 0.00 ERA, 3 K, 1 BB, 0 HR

* - part of MLB organization

Doesn't look like Daleiden has played yet for the Otters, and Stephen Derrick was released by the St. Paul Saints on 6/30/2009.

Jacob Kaase has played 52 games in Low-A and 7 for High-A Bakersfield.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on July 05, 2009, 12:43:15 PM
UMHB's Joseph Villege, Michael Garza, and Jarred Hopper are all doing very well in summer ball. Villegas is 2nd in the league in batting average this summer. You may not know alot about Michael Garza (RB Garza's younger brother) because of injuries last year. He had an awesome series vs McMurry.


http://www.pointstreak.com/baseball/stats.html?leagueid=121&seasonid=121

http://fortcollinsfoxes.com/newsstats.html
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on July 12, 2009, 05:53:27 PM
ASC pro's stat update:

Hitters
Steven Yurchick (Bay Area Toros) - .296/.345/.343, 2 3B, 16/20 SB, 108 AB
Tom Williams (Bay Area Toros) - .333/.400/.630, 2 2B, 2 HR, 27 AB
Jacob Kaase (Bakersfield Blaze*) - .256/.299/.411, 15 2B, 5 HR, 246 AB
Jeremy Macklin (Big Bend Cowboys) - .357/.404/.571, 3 2B, 2 HR, 42 AB
Paige Hodges (Coastal Kingfish) - .250/.280/.333, 2 2B, 6 K, 24 AB

Pitchers
Jonathan Miller (Florence Freedom) - 27.2 IP, 3.69 ERA, 21 K, 8 BB, 3 HR
Kyle Hudson (Bay Area Toros) - 23.2 IP, 1.14 ERA, 25 K, 8 BB, 0 HR
Curt Dixon (Big Bend Cowboys) - 31.2 IP, 3.69 ERA, 31 K, 13 BB, 1 HR
Stephen Szkotak (Big Bend Cowboys) - 15.2 IP, 4.02 ERA, 20 K, 4 BB, 1 HR
Brett Holland (AZL Padres*) - 8.0 IP, 1.13 ERA, 7 K, 4 BB, 1 HR
Matt Coburn (Bay Area Toros) - 9.2 IP, 3.72 ERA, 14 K, 4 BB, 1 HR
Tommy Rozell (Coastal Kingfish) - 13.2 IP, 10.54 ERA, 6 K, 5 BB, 4 HR
Michael Johnson (Brooklyn Cyclones*) - 5.0 IP, 5.40 ERA, 6 K, 2 BB, 1 HR

* - part of MLB organization

The Evansville Otters released Daleiden on 6/22/2009 and Ziegler on 7/9/2009, and Stephen Derrick was released by the St. Paul Saints on 6/30/2009.

Jacob Kaase has played 52 games in Low-A and 12 for High-A Bakersfield.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on July 13, 2009, 12:43:48 AM
Saw Concordia is installing field turf. Same stuff the University of Texas has installed. Pretty nice stuff and should look sharp. Cant wait to see the new stadium once its done in January. Scott Lienbrink who pitched at Concordia for one season and now is a reliever for the White Sox donated a huge amount of money for the new stadium.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hatbaseball on July 14, 2009, 12:52:57 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on July 12, 2009, 05:53:27 PM
ASC pro's stat update:

Hitters
Steven Yurchick (Bay Area Toros) - .296/.345/.343, 2 3B, 16/20 SB, 108 AB
Tom Williams (Bay Area Toros) - .333/.400/.630, 2 2B, 2 HR, 27 AB
Jacob Kaase (Bakersfield Blaze*) - .256/.299/.411, 15 2B, 5 HR, 246 AB
Jeremy Macklin (Big Bend Cowboys) - .357/.404/.571, 3 2B, 2 HR, 42 AB
Paige Hodges (Coastal Kingfish) - .250/.280/.333, 2 2B, 6 K, 24 AB

Pitchers
Jonathan Miller (Florence Freedom) - 27.2 IP, 3.69 ERA, 21 K, 8 BB, 3 HR
Kyle Hudson (Bay Area Toros) - 23.2 IP, 1.14 ERA, 25 K, 8 BB, 0 HR
Curt Dixon (Big Bend Cowboys) - 31.2 IP, 3.69 ERA, 31 K, 13 BB, 1 HR
Stephen Szkotak (Big Bend Cowboys) - 15.2 IP, 4.02 ERA, 20 K, 4 BB, 1 HR
Brett Holland (AZL Padres*) - 8.0 IP, 1.13 ERA, 7 K, 4 BB, 1 HR
Matt Coburn (Bay Area Toros) - 9.2 IP, 3.72 ERA, 14 K, 4 BB, 1 HR
Tommy Rozell (Coastal Kingfish) - 13.2 IP, 10.54 ERA, 6 K, 5 BB, 4 HR
Michael Johnson (Brooklyn Cyclones*) - 5.0 IP, 5.40 ERA, 6 K, 2 BB, 1 HR

* - part of MLB organization

The Evansville Otters released Daleiden on 6/22/2009 and Ziegler on 7/9/2009, and Stephen Derrick was released by the St. Paul Saints on 6/30/2009.

Jacob Kaase has played 52 games in Low-A and 12 for High-A Bakersfield.


FYI....

Stephen Derrick is now playing with the San Angelo Colts of the United League and is off to a very good start.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on July 14, 2009, 01:36:45 PM
Thanks hatbaseball. :) I'll get his stats next time I update everything.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on July 14, 2009, 05:41:49 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on July 12, 2009, 05:53:27 PM

Jacob Kaase has played 52 games in Low-A and 12 for High-A Bakersfield.

I wonder how long Kaase sticks it out. I think he's a high caliber fielder and he's handy because he's essentially a util guy than could play anywhere, but I don't know if he'll ever swing it enough to get a chance.

He's got plenty of tools, but his command of the strike zone doesn't seem to improving that much. Where he could slap stuff through the hole and turn pitches off the plate into hits in D3, he's got to learn to lay off that stuff in the MiLB.

If he ever gets his BB/K ratio closer to 1:1 he might have a chance.

Thanks for keeping us all updated CUAfan.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on July 14, 2009, 10:34:10 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on July 12, 2009, 05:53:27 PM
ASC pro's stat update:

Hitters
Steven Yurchick (Bay Area Toros) - .296/.345/.343, 2 3B, 16/20 SB, 108 AB
Tom Williams (Bay Area Toros) - .333/.400/.630, 2 2B, 2 HR, 27 AB
Jacob Kaase (Bakersfield Blaze*) - .256/.299/.411, 15 2B, 5 HR, 246 AB
Jeremy Macklin (Big Bend Cowboys) - .357/.404/.571, 3 2B, 2 HR, 42 AB
Paige Hodges (Coastal Kingfish) - .250/.280/.333, 2 2B, 6 K, 24 AB

Pitchers
Jonathan Miller (Florence Freedom) - 27.2 IP, 3.69 ERA, 21 K, 8 BB, 3 HR
Kyle Hudson (Bay Area Toros) - 23.2 IP, 1.14 ERA, 25 K, 8 BB, 0 HR
Curt Dixon (Big Bend Cowboys) - 31.2 IP, 3.69 ERA, 31 K, 13 BB, 1 HR
Stephen Szkotak (Big Bend Cowboys) - 15.2 IP, 4.02 ERA, 20 K, 4 BB, 1 HR
Brett Holland (AZL Padres*) - 8.0 IP, 1.13 ERA, 7 K, 4 BB, 1 HR
Matt Coburn (Bay Area Toros) - 9.2 IP, 3.72 ERA, 14 K, 4 BB, 1 HR
Tommy Rozell (Coastal Kingfish) - 13.2 IP, 10.54 ERA, 6 K, 5 BB, 4 HR
Michael Johnson (Brooklyn Cyclones*) - 5.0 IP, 5.40 ERA, 6 K, 2 BB, 1 HR

* - part of MLB organization

The Evansville Otters released Daleiden on 6/22/2009 and Ziegler on 7/9/2009, and Stephen Derrick was released by the St. Paul Saints on 6/30/2009.

Jacob Kaase has played 52 games in Low-A and 12 for High-A Bakersfield.



CUAfan,

While your adding to your list, you can add Cody Ross (Texarkna Gunslingers) and MC's Hinson (Alexanderia Aces) to you next update.

Macklin does have some pitching stats as he's pitched 2.1 innings so far for Big Bend.  For whatever reason he's listed as "other" on their pitching stats...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on July 14, 2009, 10:41:26 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on July 14, 2009, 05:41:49 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on July 12, 2009, 05:53:27 PM

Jacob Kaase has played 52 games in Low-A and 12 for High-A Bakersfield.

I wonder how long Kaase sticks it out. I think he's a high caliber fielder and he's handy because he's essentially a util guy than could play anywhere, but I don't know if he'll ever swing it enough to get a chance.

He's got plenty of tools, but his command of the strike zone doesn't seem to improving that much. Where he could slap stuff through the hole and turn pitches off the plate into hits in D3, he's got to learn to lay off that stuff in the MiLB.

If he ever gets his BB/K ratio closer to 1:1 he might have a chance.

Thanks for keeping us all updated CUAfan.

JSG

JSG, I think Kaase will stick it out a bit longer as he seems to be maturing and it's really a matter of time and waiting his turn as he has some larger investment guys ahead of him from what we hear - unless he's traded, or the guys of head of him are dealt somewhere his sort of stuck where he's at.

Here is a recent article released by TLU on Kaase and Macklin...

http://www.d3baseball.com/pressreleases/Texas+Lutheran/2009/07/09/Former-TLU-Bulldogs-Kaase,-Macklin-continue-baseball-success-at-pro-levels/4422
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on July 15, 2009, 01:52:43 PM
I submitted a question to the Baseball Prospectus prospect guru for his chat today, asking if he'd heard anything from scouts about Kaase. If it gets answered at all, I'm guessing it'll be something along the lines of "organizational filler" or something like that, but you never know....
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on July 19, 2009, 09:15:17 PM
ASC pro's stat update:

Hitters
Steven Yurchick (Bay Area Toros) - .304/.349/.348, 2 3B, 16/21 SB, 115 AB
Tom Williams (Bay Area Toros) - .224/.283/.510, 2 2B, 4 HR, 49 AB
Jacob Kaase (Bakersfield Blaze*) - .257/.304/.400, 15 2B, 5 HR, 265 AB
Jeremy Macklin (Big Bend Cowboys) - .302/.397/.472, 3 2B, 2 HR, 53 AB
Paige Hodges (Coastal Kingfish) - .275/.310/.325, 2 2B, 9 K, 40 AB
Stephen Derrick (San Angelo Colts) - .278/.350/.333, 1 2B, 6 K, 18 AB
Cody Ross (Texarkana Gunslingers) - .311/.446/.344, 3 2B, 19 K, 90 AB

Pitchers
Jonathan Miller (Florence Freedom) - 27.2 IP, 3.69 ERA, 21 K, 8 BB, 3 HR
Kyle Hudson (Bay Area Toros) - 30.2 IP, 2.35 ERA, 28 K, 14 BB, 1 HR
Curt Dixon (Big Bend Cowboys) - 35.2 IP, 3.19 ERA, 35 K, 15 BB, 1 HR
Stephen Szkotak (Big Bend Cowboys) - 18.1 IP, 3.93 ERA, 22 K, 4 BB, 1 HR
Brett Holland (AZL Padres*) - 9.0 IP, 1.00 ERA, 7 K, 4 BB, 1 HR
Matt Coburn (Bay Area Toros) - 21.2 IP, 2.91 ERA, 35 K, 11 BB, 1 HR
Tommy Rozell (Coastal Kingfish) - 13.2 IP, 10.54 ERA, 6 K, 5 BB, 4 HR
Michael Johnson (Brooklyn Cyclones*) - 6.0 IP, 4.50 ERA, 6 K, 3 BB, 1 HR
Brett Hinson (Alexandria Aces) - 8.0 IP, 3.38 ERA, 11 K, 3 BB, 1 HR

* - part of MLB organization

The Evansville Otters released Daleiden on 6/22/2009 and Ziegler on 7/9/2009.

Jacob Kaase has played 52 games in Low-A and 18 for High-A Bakersfield.

Texarkana's stats had 2 Cody Ross entries. I'm guessing it's the same guy and I added the stats together.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on July 20, 2009, 04:44:46 PM
http://athletics.mcm.edu/News/baseball/2009/7/20/072009bsb.asp
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmguy19 on September 15, 2009, 12:46:30 PM
So Jake Mullins is the Qb for the U (since were the only school with out a mascot)  He is looking good and I have talked to him and he is excited about football, but more excited about baseball season.

Anyone know how the teams should stack up?  I know were only a month into the school year, and I have to say on of my family members goes to UTD now.  Hope he and his team come out on top over there in the uncompetative east side of the ASC.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 16, 2009, 03:21:29 PM
Hope that you had a good summer, guy!

Jake is doing a great job at QB.

Any news about the non-traditional season workouts?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Blackcat00 on September 21, 2009, 10:57:08 PM
This past Saturday. We lost a great soldier and former ASC college baseball player. Jay Sevier , a member of the 2002 World Series team and starting shortstop for Concordia. Jay collapsed while working out at his base in North Carolina, and couldnt be revived. He was training in the special forces to become a member of the green berets. He was scheduled to graduate in a few weeks after a final PT test. Funeral is this weekend in Austin, but I thought I would pass this along to alot of you who follow the ASC baseball programs.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: infielddad on September 22, 2009, 07:01:24 PM
That is tragic and sobering.  Life clearly is not fair. This is a such an example.
To his family, teammates and friends, I hope what he did in his life is an inspiration for each..
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 23, 2009, 08:59:22 PM
Quote from: Blackcat00 on September 21, 2009, 10:57:08 PM
This past Saturday. We lost a great soldier and former ASC college baseball player. Jay Sevier , a member of the 2002 World Series team and starting shortstop for Concordia. Jay collapsed while working out at his base in North Carolina, and couldnt be revived. He was training in the special forces to become a member of the green berets. He was scheduled to graduate in a few weeks after a final PT test. Funeral is this weekend in Austin, but I thought I would pass this along to alot of you who follow the ASC baseball programs.
Prayers to the Sevier family...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on January 15, 2010, 01:23:20 PM
Lets get this board back up and running. Baseball season right around the corner!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 17, 2010, 02:49:34 PM
I'll put up the season preview for Mississippi College later, but here is some basic preseason information.

Last year went 30-16. In the field, 3B Reid Prewitt and 2B Tim Bruss graduated. Everyone else returns. We lose the 5-hole and 8-hole hitters in the lineup. LF Bo Bell, CF Chase Herrin, RF Brannon Walls, 1B Andy Smith, SS Dakota Bodree, and C Jacob Daniel return. Those six guys collectively batted .361, 30 HR, 238 RBI, 70 2B, 86 SB. Should be a good lineup again.

Most of the pitching staff is gone, except for Tyler Seaman who is back. Seaman was First Team All-ASC and hopefully will build on that season and improve.

Newcomers
There are 18 new transfers including 12 pitchers. Potentially this is a very good group.

Pitchers, two transfers from DII Delta State (2004 National Champs) and also another MS JUCO who signed with Delta State in the Fall but decided on MC later. Several other talented MS JUCO guys. Was told from a velocity standpoint, there are two newcomers about like Tyler Seaman, who work 89-91. And 3-4 other guys slightly behind who could work 86-89. You don't know until games are live, but probably potentially as talented a staff as we've had in a while.

In the field, there are 3-4 guys who could contribute early. The new 3B is the MS JUCO transfer that signed with Delta State, and probably will be in the weekend rotation as well. We also picked up a very talented MS JUCO transfer outfielder and catcher.

Looking forward to the season getting started. Hopefully, we'll have a very good lineup again, and I'm anxious to see the guys on the mound.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on January 20, 2010, 03:17:12 PM
Sounds like Mississippi is going to be a force to be reckoned with. Who do yall play in crossover this year?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 20, 2010, 07:09:41 PM
Quote from: dp643 on January 20, 2010, 03:17:12 PM
Sounds like Mississippi is going to be a force to be reckoned with. Who do yall play in crossover this year?

We play Concordia at home and at Schreiner in our crossover games. I think we look pretty good on paper, but that really doesn't matter much. I'm anxious to get the season started, because we'll be tested early. Without looking at anyone else's schedule, I wouldn't be shocked if our first 11 games are about as tough as anyone in the country.

2/6      at Huntingdon (26-15)                       Montgomery, AL    
2/7      at Birmingham-Southern (28-11)          Montgomery, AL   
2/9       vs Belhaven (43-20)                          Clinton, MS 
2/13      at Piedmont (20-21)                         Demorest, GA   
2/13     at Sewanee (8-22)                           Demorest, GA
2/14     at Piedmont  (20-21)                         Demorest, GA   
2/16     at Millsaps    (34-10)                          Jackson, MS   
2/26     vs Concordia Texas (22-18)                 Clinton, MS
2/27     vs Concordia Texas (DH) (22-18)          Clinton, MS
3/2       vs Millsaps (34-10)                             Jackson, MS

Only Piedmont and Sewanee had losing records last year, and Piedmont won 34 games in 2008. Concordia will probably be very good.  Millsaps and Belhaven are as good as anyone on our schedule just about every year. Huntingdon and Birmingham Southern should be very good.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on January 21, 2010, 12:45:37 PM
Congrats to the ASC Players on the d3baseball.com preseason All-American Teams.

http://d3baseball.com/all-american/preseason2010.pdf

1st Team
Brad Orosey P Texas Lutheran

2nd Team
Javier Arrieta SS SRSU
Joseph Villegas OF UMHB
BO Bell OF Mississippi College
Reagan Dixon DH Hardin-Simmons
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dbat on January 21, 2010, 11:15:18 PM
Ill talk a little about TLU for this upcoming season.  The Bulldogs are only returning four starting position players and one DH from last years west division championship team.  Pitching wise they look like they are bringing back a few more guys than in the field.  Orosey the highlight of the pitching staff is returning, who has just been named to the pre season all american roster.  They are also returning a diamond in the rough senior Travis Staggs.  Staggs threw great last year and should be the number two for sure.  The bullpin looks like it will be held down again by Jeremiah Steinert who threw most of the innings out of the pin last year and did quite well at that.  Tom Hembree looks like he might have actually found his control over the summer in that NYCBL.  The couple of times I saw him throw last year he was very hit and miss with his location (Especially after turning into a submarine guy half way through the season.  Green and Femath look to hold down the middle again this year, while Nokelby will the in charge of the outfield.  A lot of people thought he was going to have a Derek David type season last year, not to knock him at all (he had a great year) but maybe this will eb the Derek David year.  From the looks of it they are going to have a huge hole behind the plate.  Siniff was no hitter, but did great in calling the games and keeping the ball infront.  I don't know who will start this year.  First will go to Childress who started of hot, but got cold as the year progressed.  Big hole at third that needs to be filled at third with Macklin and Gentry both gone.  I would assume that either Eaves or Wheaton will take over there both has hardly any experience in the line up.  Miller will most likely DH. Two outfield spots look to be filled by a JUCO transfer named Lucero which I know nothing about and a sophomore that had limited play time last year Harvey.

I think they will struggle with the schedule they have ahead of them!
2/6-7 Austin college (15-24)   (Sherman) Haven't really heard anything about Austin College in the past couple of years.  TLU went down there in '08 and came away with two.
2/12 Southwestern  (16-23)   (Georgetown) Newest rivalry with TLU.
2/13 Southwestern  (16-23)   (Seguin) TLU took both last year.
2/15 Brandeis?                       (Seguin)
Then it gets bad!
2/19-20 UT Tyler     (39-12)   (Tyler) Defeated them in the conference tournament last year in a dramatic comeback win. They would consider it a huge part of the season if they can take two
2/23 Trinity             (24-21)   (Seguin) Always play TLU HARD!
2/27-28 UT Dallas    (28-18)  (Dallas) wow two tough weekends back to back
3/2 Trinity               (24-21)   (San Antonio)
3/5-6 ETBU             (16-24)   (Seguin) In the past have played TLU hard and have quite a rivalry with them.

I am guessing that UT Dallas and ETBU are the cross over games and UT Tyler is a non conference, Burnett is trying to jump out of the blocks with hurdles right away. But if they can take two out of three from every weekend they will be a force to recon with then.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on January 22, 2010, 02:50:32 PM
UMHB has a tough beginning to their schedule as well. They are playing in the Tyler classic the first weekend in February with 2 games vs UT Tyler and a game vs UT Dallas. Their crossovers are against Dallas and Louisiana College with games vs Southwestern and Trinity as well.

Some very good matchups early on this season to watch for.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 29, 2010, 03:10:28 PM
Jonathan Miller (Concordia-TX) was traded from Florence (Frontier League) to the Laredo Broncos (United League) 1/11/10, per Frontier League transaction page.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dbat on January 31, 2010, 03:51:48 PM
Ok, well we got the pre season polls in. It looks likes they are predicting it to be TLU and UT Tyler again this year. 

2010 ASC PRESEASON BASEBALL POLL
[Voted on by ASC Head Coaches, Sports Information Directors and Media Members]

EAST DIVISION
    Team (first-place votes)    Points    2009 Record
1.    Texas-Tyler (8)    132    39-12, 14-4 ASC
2.    Mississippi College (10)    131    30-16, 14-4 ASC
3.    Texas-Dallas (3)    113    28-18, 12-6 ASC
4.    Ozarks    70    17-25, 9-9 ASC
5.    Louisiana College    65    18-22, 5-13 ASC
6.    East Texas Baptist    46    16-24, 4-14 ASC
7.    LeTourneau    31    14-22, 5-13 ASC

WEST DIVISION
    Team (first-place votes)    Points    2009 Record
1.    Texas Lutheran (13)    174    30-14, 16-5 ASC
2.    McMurry (4)    156    26-17, 14-7 ASC
3.    Hardin-Simmons (3)    143    25-18, 14-7 ASC
4.    Mary Hardin-Baylor (4)    142    22-17, 12-9 ASC
5.    Concordia Texas    97    22-18, 11-10 ASC
6.    Howard Payne    68    13-23, 6-15 ASC
7.    Schreiner    55    14-23, 7-14 ASC
8.    Sul Ross State    29    5-34, 4-17 ASC

Does this surprise anybody?  I would think that Mississippi would have gotten the nod in the East.  Looking at the first place votes people agreed with me. In the West TLU took the more first place votes than McMurry, HSU, and UMHB combined. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 03, 2010, 08:02:50 AM
UMHB beats SWAGU 8-6 on opening night.

http://www.cruathletics.com/news/2010/2/2/BB_0202104905.aspx?path=baseball
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 03, 2010, 11:55:59 AM
Quote from: dbat on January 31, 2010, 03:51:48 PM
Ok, well we got the pre season polls in. It looks likes they are predicting it to be TLU and UT Tyler again this year. 

2010 ASC PRESEASON BASEBALL POLL
[Voted on by ASC Head Coaches, Sports Information Directors and Media Members]

EAST DIVISION
    Team (first-place votes)    Points    2009 Record
1.    Texas-Tyler (8)    132    39-12, 14-4 ASC
2.    Mississippi College (10)    131    30-16, 14-4 ASC
3.    Texas-Dallas (3)    113    28-18, 12-6 ASC
4.    Ozarks    70    17-25, 9-9 ASC
5.    Louisiana College    65    18-22, 5-13 ASC
6.    East Texas Baptist    46    16-24, 4-14 ASC
7.    LeTourneau    31    14-22, 5-13 ASC

WEST DIVISION
    Team (first-place votes)    Points    2009 Record
1.    Texas Lutheran (13)    174    30-14, 16-5 ASC
2.    McMurry (4)    156    26-17, 14-7 ASC
3.    Hardin-Simmons (3)    143    25-18, 14-7 ASC
4.    Mary Hardin-Baylor (4)    142    22-17, 12-9 ASC
5.    Concordia Texas    97    22-18, 11-10 ASC
6.    Howard Payne    68    13-23, 6-15 ASC
7.    Schreiner    55    14-23, 7-14 ASC
8.    Sul Ross State    29    5-34, 4-17 ASC

Does this surprise anybody?  I would think that Mississippi would have gotten the nod in the East.  Looking at the first place votes people agreed with me. In the West TLU took the more first place votes than McMurry, HSU, and UMHB combined. 
I am a little surprised at the fact TLU is the undisputed preseason number one. Macklin will be very tough to replace on the mound and in the middle of that lineup. Unless the bottom three have drastically improved, it will likely come down to a clustered top 5 of the standings in the west this year....just like the last few.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on February 03, 2010, 11:58:24 AM
That is why the ASC is such a fun conference to watch (and also why it struggles for national recognition). Teams beat the snot out of each other and never really get on a roll to move up the rankings.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 03, 2010, 12:16:44 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on February 03, 2010, 11:58:24 AM
That is why the ASC is such a fun conference to watch (and also why it struggles for national recognition). Teams beat the snot out of each other and never really get on a roll to move up the rankings.
Yeah, 2008 Regionals in Abilene...

McMurry, the ASC-West Quad-Champs, and winner of the ASC Tourney takes Regional Champion Chapman to extra innings, losing on a walkoff HR in the bottom of the 12th.

Six or seven other teams in the ASC who may have seen that game were thinking "woulda, shoulda, coulda" about how close they were to that Regional.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dbat on February 03, 2010, 09:39:48 PM
I really hope that the ASC pulls the monkey off their backs this year and gets back in the world series.  I don't know about yall, but there is just something about chapman that I don't like.  Now don't get me wrong they are an amazing team, but I don't like them. That is probably why i don't like them because they have been able to beat the ASC so many years now.  I sure hope this is the year that we can pull one off and make it to the big dance.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 05, 2010, 06:35:46 PM
Tyler vs UMHB tonight....should be an interesting matchup!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 05, 2010, 10:48:30 PM
UMHB beats UT Tyler tonight. If memory serves me correctly it is the CRU's first win vs Tyler since Tyler has come to the ASC (0-6 previously?)

Cameron Arnett picks up the win and Seth Lynn gets the save. Josh Frederick hits a 2 run homer and Doak Fleming adds 3 RBIs for the CRU.

UMHB moves to 2-0 and Tyler drops to 0-1.

Cody Jones had a huge game for Tyler. Wasnt he at ETBU last year?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Voorhees on February 05, 2010, 11:34:05 PM
Congrats UMHB, I'm sure they are psyched about that...

Sounds like Mississippi might be pretty tough. Brooks, how close are you to the Choctaws? Were you around in the fall or is this word of mouth?

Dbat, careful with your David comparisons. Not to take anything away from Nokelby (this is going off of TLU's website article detailing Nokelby's ESPN selection), but it is hard to compare a guy with 7 career home runs and 111 career RBI's to David, who hit 26 hr's and knocked in 73 rbi's in 2008 alone. David's lowest home run total in his three seasons was 7, Nokelby's career total.

I'd love to know how the Preseason guys are picked. Arrieta is the real deal. I have not seen Bo Bell play, but borrowing him, he has got to be in a league by himself. Not to be misunderstood, there are many talented players, I saw one heck of one for two years at McMurry in Jake Mullin, but Arrieta can really play. One man show in Alpine.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 05, 2010, 11:37:52 PM
Ya Nokelby is a great player...but hes not a Derek David by any stretch. You guys had a freaking scary middle of the lineup that year.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 05, 2010, 11:41:34 PM
Bo Bell is the real deal from the 2 games I saw last year. If MC gets the quality of pitching Chris is talking about they will be a big force.

I am curious to see what Tyler is going to have in their rotation. Sparks got roughed up tonight but had a solid year last year as their number 4 guy.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 06, 2010, 12:11:04 AM
Quote from: Voorhees on February 05, 2010, 11:34:05 PM
Sounds like Mississippi might be pretty tough. Brooks, how close are you to the Choctaws? Were you around in the fall or is this word of mouth?

I'm the SID at MC and obviously around the baseball staff and players. I was raised playing baseball, had an opportunity to play some in college, but just enjoy being around the game. You have to be careful with this preseason stuff, because baseball is just a funny sport. You never know how things will shake out.

But everyone is excited around the program, I just hope it works out for them after being so close last year. Tyler Seaman has looked good on the mound, and has been consistent 89-92 on the JUGS. Brandon Martin is a Christmas transfer from Delta State that has looked very good. Big guy, around 6-4, 220, coming off an injury. But he's been consistent 87-88 and he's not 100% yet, he has potential to be very good. I know the new closer has looked very good in practice, and there are 4-5 other arms they feel good about. Much deeper than a year ago.

They have had one setback though. Shane Bennett will start the season strictly at 3rd base after pretty much being penciled in as a weekend starter. He was very good on the mound in the Fall, consistent 88-90 with quality pitches. But he had a tired arm to start this semester, and his bat is too valuable to push him. He will protect Bo Bell in the lineup, and hopefully will get back on the mound later as his arm continues to improve. He was a huge pickup who hopefully will have a great year.

Looking forward to getting the season started, for everybody. Should be a great season in the ASC.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dbat on February 06, 2010, 02:20:27 PM
Not a lot of talk has come out of the Concordia faithful this year.  What's the news on them?  And back to the Nokelby comment.  I was just saying that the word around was he was going to be like the next David.  Last year was supposed to be a big power year for him.  Thats what I meant by that and yes he didn't do anything like that.  It looks more like he is a good hitter with the occasional power to get it out of the park.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 06, 2010, 02:45:41 PM
UT Tyler wins 9-5 over UT Dallas. Next up...UMHB vs UT Dallas
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 06, 2010, 06:44:57 PM
UT Dallas comes back scoring 2 in the 8th and one in the 9th to win 8-7. Tough loss for the Cru....UT Tyler vs  UMHB to finish out the tournament. I expect to see Hopper vs Fowler in this one.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 06, 2010, 07:13:38 PM
Its not fowler....its Vardeman pitching for Tyler.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on February 06, 2010, 09:54:53 PM
Hey ya'll, glad to see the chatter winding up! I'm missing the excitement already... Will try and catch some games this spring.  Keep up the good work and go Bulldogs!! They seem to be off to a good start...

http://www.tlubulldogs.com/news/2010/2/6/BB_0206103838.aspx
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 06, 2010, 10:39:14 PM
UMHB beats UT Tyler 12-7 in the last game of the tournament. UMHB goes 2-1, UT Dallas 1-1, and UT Tyler 1-2.

The Cru got 8 runs in an inning to take a big lead and never looked back. Hopper gets the win for the Cru.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 07, 2010, 05:09:50 PM
McMurry lost to (D-2) WTAMU, 7-4.

Six errors leading to 4 unearned runs really hurt.  Stranding batters in the late innings (5 in the last 3 innings) is frustrating.

WTAMU committed 4 errors that led to 3 unearned runs, too.

McMurry is young, and I see some talent.  I am glad that they are playing D-2 and NAIA schools early to give this young team some experience.

IMHO, the pitching by Dakota Smith and Michael DiBiasi was good for a first outing.

Temperature in Abilene was 37 degrees.  :o
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 07, 2010, 06:49:46 PM
Two good wins this weekend for Mississippi College beating Huntingdon yesterday 5-2 and Birmingham Southern 5-4 today. Huntingdon returns most of a 26-15 team from last year, and Birmingham Southern was picked to win the SCAC East after a 28-11 year last year.

Tyler Seaman had a good outing against Huntingdon yesterday, and newcomer Brandon Martin threw four shutout innings today against Birmingham Southern.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 10, 2010, 03:11:00 PM
If anyone is alive out there....UMHB is hosting Trinity for its home opener today....

lives stats:

http://www.sidearmstats.com/mhb/baseball/index.htm
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 11, 2010, 07:51:39 AM
UMHB drops game vs Trinity 7-0.

Trinity did a pretty cool live video feed and had former players Jordan Pennington and Evan Bronson doing the commentary today.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 11, 2010, 08:19:16 AM
MC fell 4-3 last night to Belhaven College (5-1) after giving up a 3-spot in the first inning. Just couldn't push runners across, the Choctaws left 12 on base.

Not a bad loss though, Belhaven has easily been the best team on our schedule each of the last three years and has handled us. They are NAIA so it won't show as a regional loss, but it gives us an opportunity to face tough hitters and probably the best pitching we'll see this year.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 11, 2010, 05:57:06 PM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on February 11, 2010, 08:19:16 AM
MC fell 4-3 last night to Belhaven College (5-1) after giving up a 3-spot in the first inning. Just couldn't push runners across, the Choctaws left 12 on base.

Not a bad loss though, Belhaven has easily been the best team on our schedule each of the last three years and has handled us. They are NAIA so it won't show as a regional loss, but it gives us an opportunity to face tough hitters and probably the best pitching we'll see this year.

Belhaven College--easily the best team?  That hurt this Millsaps Major fan--I hope my Majors at least made it to the "receiving votes" category of best teams on the MS College schedule. :)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 11, 2010, 06:10:27 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on February 11, 2010, 05:57:06 PM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on February 11, 2010, 08:19:16 AM
MC fell 4-3 last night to Belhaven College (5-1) after giving up a 3-spot in the first inning. Just couldn't push runners across, the Choctaws left 12 on base.

Not a bad loss though, Belhaven has easily been the best team on our schedule each of the last three years and has handled us. They are NAIA so it won't show as a regional loss, but it gives us an opportunity to face tough hitters and probably the best pitching we'll see this year.

Belhaven College--easily the best team?  That hurt this Millsaps Major fan--I hope my Majors at least made it to the "receiving votes" category of best teams on the MS College schedule. :)
Isn't that why you play the Maloney Series?   ;)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 11, 2010, 10:28:35 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on February 11, 2010, 05:57:06 PM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on February 11, 2010, 08:19:16 AM
MC fell 4-3 last night to Belhaven College (5-1) after giving up a 3-spot in the first inning. Just couldn't push runners across, the Choctaws left 12 on base.

Not a bad loss though, Belhaven has easily been the best team on our schedule each of the last three years and has handled us. They are NAIA so it won't show as a regional loss, but it gives us an opportunity to face tough hitters and probably the best pitching we'll see this year.

Belhaven College--easily the best team?  That hurt this Millsaps Major fan--I hope my Majors at least made it to the "receiving votes" category of best teams on the MS College schedule. :)

Frank,
Both are good programs. I think Millsaps is 4-5 against Belhaven the last three years. Just seeing the teams in person, in my opinion Belhaven has been the most impressive team for us the last three years, including Millsaps and UT-Tyler.

I'd go Belhaven, then give UT-Tyler the edge over Millsaps just based on their pitching. But you're right, "easily" wouldn't be the best description. We have terrible records against Millsaps and Belhaven, but we've been a bit more competitive with Millsaps. Our record against UT-Tyler is better, but that's more a reflection of the difference in our weekend and midweek pitching the last few years.

Hopefully, the game against Belhaven this week indicates we've closed the gap with them. Both teams looked very similiar on the field in my opinion. Everything I've heard about Millsaps this year is that they've reloaded again.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 12, 2010, 07:07:21 AM
Chris--I hope the smiley face icon made it clear to everyone that my comment was somewhat tongue-in-cheek.  If memory serves me right, last year the first game Millsaps played after reaching #1 was against Belhaven and Belhaven won that game. 

They have been a tough team on the Millsaps schedule year after year and they seem to have more pitching depth for weekday games than both Millsaps and MS College.  That would be logical since they have scholarships to give.  While it will never happen, I'd like to see a 3-game weekend series between Millsaps and Belhaven where both teams are using their top three starters instead of whoever is available during the week.  Those would be very entertaining games to watch.

Good luck to the Choctaws in Georgia this weekend and we will see you in Jackson this Tuesday if the weather is good enough for a baseball game.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 12, 2010, 11:57:00 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on February 12, 2010, 07:07:21 AM
Chris--I hope the smiley face icon made it clear to everyone that my comment was somewhat tongue-in-cheek.  If memory serves me right, last year the first game Millsaps played after reaching #1 was against Belhaven and Belhaven won that game. 

They have been a tough team on the Millsaps schedule year after year and they seem to have more pitching depth for weekday games than both Millsaps and MS College.  That would be logical since they have scholarships to give.  While it will never happen, I'd like to see a 3-game weekend series between Millsaps and Belhaven where both teams are using their top three starters instead of whoever is available during the week.  Those would be very entertaining games to watch.

Good luck to the Choctaws in Georgia this weekend and we will see you in Jackson this Tuesday if the weather is good enough for a baseball game.

I picked up the icon, but you were right about "easily". Belhaven has beaten us worse for the most part, but the truth is both teams have worn us out. Both Coach Page at Millsaps and Coach Denson at Belhaven have established programs with plenty of depth, and we just haven't had the midweek pitching to compete. This is Coach Owens third full year and you can see the depth, particularly on the mound, has improved a lot. Hopefully, it will show and the Maloney Series will be much more competitive.

I agree about the weekend pitching, it would be fun to see that series played out with weekend starters on the mound.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Voorhees on February 14, 2010, 05:53:52 PM
McMurry wins their first game of the year today behind an excellent effort from Dakota Smith. According to the box score, needed only 73 pitches over 6 innings allowing two hits on his way to the win. Cory Davis also looked to have thrown a good two innings.

Jake Mullin has started this season just the way he left off last year. Kid can rake.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Voorhees on February 14, 2010, 05:55:50 PM
Congrats to Orosey, TLU has found a way to find quality arm after quality arm.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 14, 2010, 06:13:34 PM
Quote from: Voorhees on February 14, 2010, 05:55:50 PM
Congrats to Orosey, TLU has found a way to find quality arm after quality arm.
+1!

Voorhees, glad to see you posting on the boards!

I will appreciate your insights in the conference race.

Please contribute as often as you wish.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 15, 2010, 08:58:14 AM
Orosey is a very good pitcher. I saw him pitch a heck of a game last year vs UMHB with a 30 MPH wind in his face. Hes got excellent command of his pitches. Between Orosey, Steinert, and Hembree I think TLU will be able to win 2 out of 3 most weekends. It will be interesting to see how the rest of the staff fairs. Anyone know where Logan Hull is?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 15, 2010, 02:48:07 PM
Quote from: dp643 on February 15, 2010, 08:58:14 AM
Orosey is a very good pitcher. I saw him pitch a heck of a game last year vs UMHB with a 30 MPH wind in his face. Hes got excellent command of his pitches. Between Orosey, Steinert, and Hembree I think TLU will be able to win 2 out of 3 most weekends. It will be interesting to see how the rest of the staff fairs. Anyone know where Logan Hull is?

He's on the roster. I know he's battled some some injuries the last two years after a solid freshman campaign, but aside from that if you check out his #'s over the last two years he's also struggled with his command at times.

At this point I think he's a real wild card. If he takes advantage of opportunities he could be a real X factor for the Bulldogs down the stretch, but it seems they've made it clear early on that they're not relying on him out of the gate.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on February 16, 2010, 09:13:46 AM
As many know, Logan had a great freshman year.  An injury in is soph year hurt velocity and command.  Last year, he just struggled with location.  Good news is he saw an inning on the mound the other day and looked OK.  My thoughts are that Burnett would be pretty happy if Hull could come out of the bullpen to burn some innings.  Again, humble opinion, it's all about location.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on February 16, 2010, 09:18:22 AM
Quote from: dp643 on February 15, 2010, 08:58:14 AM
Orosey is a very good pitcher. I saw him pitch a heck of a game last year vs UMHB with a 30 MPH wind in his face. Hes got excellent command of his pitches. Between Orosey, Steinert, and Hembree I think TLU will be able to win 2 out of 3 most weekends. It will be interesting to see how the rest of the staff fairs. Anyone know where Logan Hull is?

For those who have not seen Orosey pitch, it's quite a deal.  Once the season gets heated up, he'll be 86-88 with just about the best slider there is.  I watched him pitch against Johnson (Concordia) last year in a thriller at TLU and the scouts were pretty consistent on one thought...two Division 1 level pitchers were throwing.  Orosey got the best of that day 2-1 on a clutch 2-run homer by Knocklby late in the  game.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 16, 2010, 03:55:15 PM
It was hard to judge velocity that day I saw him pitch...but I know his slider was outstanding. I know if I would have faced him when I played I would have been done because I couldnt hit a slider to save my life, much less that good of a slider.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on February 16, 2010, 10:17:37 PM
Quote from: dp643 on February 16, 2010, 03:55:15 PM
It was hard to judge velocity that day I saw him pitch...but I know his slider was outstanding. I know if I would have faced him when I played I would have been done because I couldnt hit a slider to save my life, much less that good of a slider.

The other day, Stalker Guns had him at 84-85.  Last year, he was pretty steady at 87-88.  Seeing as it's been sub-50 degrees, I am all too confident that no one is going to air it out like mid-season.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 17, 2010, 08:51:39 AM
Has anyone that has seen both Brett Holland and Orosey pitch think they are fairly comparable?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 17, 2010, 08:52:54 AM
UMHB splits with Southwestern yesterday 2-5 and 5-2. The offense is really struggling right now for UMHB.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Voorhees on February 17, 2010, 07:48:31 PM
Quote from: dp643 on February 17, 2010, 08:51:39 AM
Has anyone that has seen both Brett Holland and Orosey pitch think they are fairly comparable?


I never faced either Holland or Orosey, but from watching from 1st base coaching box I'd say Holland was a bit more of a power/strikeout pitcher in mentality and delivery. Both have smooth mechanics, from what I remember, but I believe Holland threw more "effort" type pitches where he was looking for a swing and a miss, whereas Orosey is a little bit more around the zone looking for soft contact early in the count. Both were/are very good at working ahead and neither allow many freebies. Neither pitcher, in my opinion, allow for much success with two strikes; both have above average fastballs with a good curveball (Holland) or slider (Orosey) alongside.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 17, 2010, 10:25:40 PM
Quote from: dp643 on February 17, 2010, 08:51:39 AM
Has anyone that has seen both Brett Holland and Orosey pitch think they are fairly comparable?

They actually faced each other last season in the ASC Tournament with Holland picking up the win despite six errors. I saw Holland more and he was almost unhittable when he was on. I don't remember Orosey being that overpowering, but he pitched well against a tough Tyler lineup.

Mississippi College picked up a big win tonight with a 9-6 victory at Millsaps. That gives them early season wins over Millsaps (SCAC West favorite) and Birmingham Southern (SCAC East favorite). And two wins over Piedmont and one against Huntingdon, both quality teams. The only loss was a 4-3 game against NAIA Belhaven who is 6-1.

Transfer Daniel Cowart got the save and has now worked 10 2/3 innings of scoreless relief this season which is worth mentioning.

Good start so far, hopefully it will continue.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on February 17, 2010, 10:38:08 PM
With all due respect, Holland was 22 years old and Orosey was 19.  I would hope that with that additional experience, Holland would be better.  As for the answer, Holland has/had more power than Orosey but here's the deal with Orosey, he's a RARE righty that can't throw a ball straight.  They are both fanastic and not the kind of guys you want to face in the "if" game.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 17, 2010, 11:02:46 PM
Quote from: Voorhees on February 17, 2010, 07:48:31 PM
I never faced either Holland or Orosey, but from watching from 1st base coaching box I'd say Holland was a bit more of a power/strikeout pitcher in mentality and delivery. Both have smooth mechanics, from what I remember, but I believe Holland threw more "effort" type pitches where he was looking for a swing and a miss, whereas Orosey is a little bit more around the zone looking for soft contact early in the count. Both were/are very good at working ahead and neither allow many freebies. Neither pitcher, in my opinion, allow for much success with two strikes; both have above average fastballs with a good curveball (Holland) or slider (Orosey) alongside.

+1 Good analysis Brent.

And fair points from Mr. Wheaton as well.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 17, 2010, 11:22:49 PM
Quote from: swbaseball3 on February 17, 2010, 10:38:08 PM
With all due respect, Holland was 22 years old and Orosey was 19.  I would hope that with that additional experience, Holland would be better.  As for the answer, Holland has/had more power than Orosey but here's the deal with Orosey, he's a RARE righty that can't throw a ball straight.  They are both fanastic and not the kind of guys you want to face in the "if" game.

Wow, I didn't realize Orosey was just a sophomore, I assumed he was a senior. Good for Texas Lutheran to have him on Friday nights the next three years.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 18, 2010, 09:18:42 AM
Maybe I saw Holland on an off day velocity wise. I saw him pitch against UMHB last year in their crossover and sat behind a radar gun. Granted it was early in the season, but I never saw him over 86. He was typically around 82-85 that day. That is why I considered them to be very similar. Orosey didnt look to me like he lacked the velocity that Holland had. Granted that was also seeing Orosey pitch in the middle of the year and Holland pitch at the beginning. That is the reason I asked, because I have seen both pitch only one time and dont want to make a solid judgement based just upon that.

Good analysis and I really like hearing other's opinions on these topics.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dbat on February 18, 2010, 03:20:46 PM
Orosey throws a heavy ball.  His fast ball comes in with something extra than just speed.  Its not just his speed that is impressive, but its his slider that just looks like he is throwing frisbees!  To not someone earlier talking about TLU's rotation. Hembree is not a starter.  He is more short relief.  Orosey, Steihnert, and Staggs are the starters and thier main go to would be Peterson.  Who is also a big supprise from where he started out as not having a jersey his first two years mainly on jv and now he has developed in to a pretty good pitcher.  Slow and effective, especially coming in after Orosey.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 18, 2010, 06:07:24 PM
Quote from: dbat on February 18, 2010, 03:20:46 PM
Orosey throws a heavy ball.  His fast ball comes in with something extra than just speed.  Its not just his speed that is impressive, but its his slider that just looks like he is throwing frisbees!  To not someone earlier talking about TLU's rotation. Hembree is not a starter.  He is more short relief.  Orosey, Steihnert, and Staggs are the starters and thier main go to would be Peterson.  Who is also a big supprise from where he started out as not having a jersey his first two years mainly on jv and now he has developed in to a pretty good pitcher.  Slow and effective, especially coming in after Orosey.

I didnt mean to mislead by posting Hembree with the other two guys. I knew he would be a bullpen guy, but he should be pretty effective finishing for those two guys. I should have clarified better. Thanks for pointing that out!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Voorhees on February 18, 2010, 09:37:44 PM
If you love ASC baseball, this will be one heck of a weekend.

TLU at UTT - both teams have been absolute powerhouses for as long as I've been around D3 (2005).
What matters most to me: how UTT's new staff preforms against a powerhouse in week 3, week 1 wasn't pretty.

CTX at MC - Mississippi through 2 weeks looks pretty good. Pitched well, have always hit, and only 6 errors in 6 games. What matters most to me: borrowing miscues from the Mississippi defense, it will probably take a couple big time performances from CTX starters to walk away with a series win.

HSU at UTD - I'm a little disappointed this game is not at HSU's little league field. With normal winds, this series could easily generate 100 total runs. What matters most to me: which team plays solid defense. Both teams will hit, who will make the plays to keep the scoring down.

McM at Chapman - Right now I'm wishing I was still at McMurry, this is always a fun series. What matters most to me: McMurry starting pitching. In the 12 regular season games I was apart of against Chapman, McMurry scored atleast 5 runs in 9 games. Scored 10+ in multiple. However, only walked away with four wins. Each of the four wins came behind solid performances on the mound.
Title: UT Tyler vs. TLU In-Depth Preview
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 18, 2010, 10:06:03 PM
UT Tyler vs. TLU Preview

Tyler: 3-2

UT Tyler lost a ton from their 08-09 squad that went 39-12 and defeated TLU in last year's ASC conference tournament. They're returning only one arm (RHP, Matt Sparks) who threw more than 15.0 innings last year.  

Key Losses:
Starting pitchers Brett Holland (9-5, 3.24 ERA), Blake Booher (9-1, 3.50 ERA), Lex Wolfe (5-2, 4.22 ERA) & Tommy Rozell (6-2, 4.33 ERA). Holland & Booher made up a killer 1-2 punch that helped Tyler secure the lowest team ERA (4.10) in the conference last year. The seniors tied for 3rd in wins last year, and Holland led the ASC in Ks. They also lose arguably the best closer in the conference, Beau Ziegler who was 5-1 with a 2.62 ERA and 6 saves.

Tyler also lost 7 position players, all of whom hit over .335 save Kendall Fox who managed a .463 OBP by drawing 50 walks. Gone is Jeremy Harding's team leading .380 average and the 10+ home runs provided by JOe Towns (.379), Chad Daleiden (.364),  Jared Hood (.345) and Brock Lemrie (.337).

UT Tyler Key Players:
Returning starters Austin Newell (.353, 9 RBIs, 5 SBs) and Nathan Skeen (.467) are trying to pick up where they left off last season. Jr. transfer Justin Juneau is off to a hot start (.533) and Sr. transfer, Cody Jones (.421) hit .560 with 7 doubles and 5 HRs at ETBU last year.

Sparks (12.91 ERA) is back, but hasn't tossed it well yet this year. Fellow starting pitcher Chase Willard (another ETBU transfer) is 2-0 with a 3.14 ERA in 2 starts, and 2 more junior transfers Matt Schimpf (ETBU again) and Logan Chitwood (Navarro) seem to be early candidates to see innings out of the pen.

So Far:
How much can you really know about a team after 5 games? They defeated a UT Dallas team that beat the UMHB game that they dropped two games to on opening weekend. I suspect UMHB finishes between 3rd and 5th in the West.


TLU: 5-1

TLU's cupboard isn't nearly as depleted as Tyler's. They lost some key players from their West Division championship team, but return virtually the whole pitching staff save closer Macklin.

Key Losses:
Macklin is the big one. He was their best hitter and probably their best pitcher, certainly the best out of the pen, and I said Ziegler was 'arguably' the best closer earlier because you can certainly make a great case for Macklin as well. He hit .456 with 12 HR and 67 RBIs and 6-1 with a 1.99 ERA including some big ones down the stretch. The Bulldogs will also miss OF Kyle Harvey at the top of their lineup (.364, 8 HR, 30 SBs), and Drew Farr's ability to leave the yard (11 HR, 48 RBI).

TLU Key Players:
Starting with arms they return Friday starter So. Brad Orosey (10-1 last year) who is off to another solid start (2-0, 2.25 ERA) with a no-no already under his belt. He's flanked by last year's long relief guy Jeremiah Steinart (1-0, 1.50 ERA) and returning starters Travis Staggs and Logan Hull. Tom Embree (2.08 ERA) and Patrick Pederson (2.45 ERA) also return from seeing solid innings out of the pen last year.

Sr. OF Ryan Nokelby (.405 last year) is off to a .393 start w/ 9 RBIs through 6 games. Senior middle infielders Chris Green and Andrew Femath are both back. Cody Miller should provide some pop in the middle of the line-up and Jr. transfer Darwin Lucero (.556) has started the season nicely.

So Far:
I don't think TLU has seen anyone with much pitching or sticks yet so this series should be a good measuring stick. I think you know what you're going to get from a lot of these guys and it could very well be enough, but it'll be interesting to see how a lot of these guys do with an extra year of experience under their belt.

Prediction:
I think UT Tyler is working with a lot of new pieces and so this early season match-up should favor the more experienced team in TLU. I think you'll see some of UT Tyler's hitting stats come down a bit, and I think you'll see some of TLU's pitching stats inflate a bit this weekend.

When the dust settles I'll take a 1-1 split.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dbat on February 19, 2010, 08:44:33 AM
JSG  Nice preview right there!  I see the same results.  It will be hard to beat Orosey this year.  So as long as TLU can hit that game they will look good.  Steinert has picked his game up this year, but I see a couple arms from Tyler that are comparable to his (Chase Willard). Is he their game two?  So I think that is the toss up game.  And Staggs is a great pitcher, but from what I have seen from last year throws better at home than on the road.  Overall it is going be to be a great weekend like Brent said.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 19, 2010, 01:29:49 PM
JSG...

Its just a 2 game series, not three. I like your analysis though.

I think UT Tyler hasnt shown us everything from their staff at this point. Im still waiting to see when and if they use Justin Fowler. Not too sure why he hasnt thrown yet.

With Chitwood closing, Tyler has to feel confident in the outcome if they have the lead giving him the ball.

If Fowler pitches in I would expect him at some point to be a starter (maybe im wrong).

One stat that stands out to me is UT Tyler fielding .976.

I gotta give TLU the slight edge with this one because of their two quality starting pitchers. Ill go with a 1-1 split with TLU winning game one and Tyler winning game two.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 19, 2010, 08:17:38 PM
Triple play in the top of the 4th in the Tyler TLU game!!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on February 19, 2010, 08:51:51 PM
Anybody have a McM/Chapman score from game #1? The live stats will not load.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 19, 2010, 10:34:28 PM
Chapman 13-4  in the first game.

Chapman 10-3 in the second game.  Chapmanradio.com carried the game.  This was their first broadcast of the season.

McMurry is playing lots of freshmen.  There are only 4 seniors on the roster.

Chapman 10-13-2  WP Dwyer 6 innings 1 ER.
McMurry   3-6-1   

Chapman will not be broadcasting the game tomorrow, but will have it for delay.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Voorhees on February 20, 2010, 12:31:54 AM
Orosey was on it again, and props to Sharp and the rest of the UT Tyler staff for matching him (Orosey) inning for inning all the way until the tenth.

I guess I was wrong with my assessment of the UTD HSU matchup, atleast the Friday night matchup. We'll see if HSU comes out swinging tomorrow.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on February 20, 2010, 12:58:07 AM
TLU pounds out 12 hits tonight to win 5-1.  Looking at the game from a clinical eye, UTT got out of several jams and the game could  have been a much easier win for TLU with the baseball Gods shining on them.  Harvey lined out with the bases loaded,  UTT turns a triple play.  Orosey, as usual, was stellar.

Look for TLU to go with Steinert in game 2.  BTW, tonight, newly found pitcher, Kyle Eaves closed the game.  He throws pretty darn hard for a kid who just decided to pitch in thelast year.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 20, 2010, 08:06:36 AM
Quote from: swbaseball3 on February 20, 2010, 12:58:07 AM
TLU pounds out 12 hits tonight to win 5-1.  Looking at the game from a clinical eye, UTT got out of several jams and the game could  have been a much easier win for TLU with the baseball Gods shining on them.  Harvey lined out with the bases loaded,  UTT turns a triple play.  Orosey, as usual, was stellar.

Look for TLU to go with Steinert in game 2.  BTW, tonight, newly found pitcher, Kyle Eaves closed the game.  He throws pretty darn hard for a kid who just decided to pitch in thelast year.

I dont know if pounded out 12 hits would be an accurate depiction of the game, but I guess it is since they did have 12 hits. 1/3 of those came in the 10th inning against a very good pitcher in Chitwood.

TLU got out of some jams as well..Most notably the go ahead run on 3rd with one out in the 7th.

Pretty good game all around. Tyler is going to have to cut down the walks on the mound if they want to win today. 10 walks + 12 hits + 1 error = 23 base runners in 10 innings is not going to win you many games vs Brad Orosey.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on February 20, 2010, 08:59:17 AM
No argument on the choice of words but 5 hits doesn't typically win a JV baseball game.  12 hits, on the other hand, no matter how you get them is a nice number.  I hear the kid throwing at the end is the  real deal and yes, 4 hits of that kind of pitcher is impressive.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: D O.C. on February 20, 2010, 05:37:35 PM
That was me Ralph.   :o

Any consolation, it was 1-1 when I left Orange.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 20, 2010, 05:46:59 PM
TLU concludes the 2 game sweep @ Tyler.

Winning Pitcher: Live Stats has Steinart, but pretty sure Fewell was pitcher of record and got the win.

Save: Hembree

Tyler starter, Chase Willard scattered 10 hits, and gave up 3 runs, 2 earned. A solid start by all accounts.

TLU had a 5 run top of the 8th to put them atop for good. They were the first team to score a run off Schimpf this year, and they roughed up Chitwood again today. Maybe Tyler still hasn't shown us everything yet, but at this point Mississippi College has to be the favorite in the East.

Keenan Duke and Nathan Skeen both contributed a couple of hits, and Austin Newell was 1-3 with a 3B and 2 RBIs. Granted, the TLU staff has been pretty solid early, but I think the bottom half of this Tyler order is significantly weaker than it's been in the past.

TLU's first 3 hitters went 9-16 today and contributed a good portion of the offense. Green and Nokelby have both started strong, and Lucero (.478 coming into the game) had a clutch 2 out, 2 RBI single in the 8th to give TLU the lead.

They have to be pleased with their start to the season. If they have a concern right now it might be that 3rd starter and the fact that clean-up hitter Cody Miller is hitting .214 w/ what seems like a lot of swing and misses.

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 20, 2010, 05:47:44 PM
Quote from: D O.C. on February 20, 2010, 05:37:35 PM
That was me Ralph.   :o

Any consolation, it was 1-1 when I left Orange.
Get them across for us!
What is the score now?


Chapman put up 8 runs on the bottom of the 4th, all unearned, to go ahead 9-1.


Final Chapman 9-1.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dbat on February 20, 2010, 08:33:37 PM
Out standing job by TLU to come through in both games late.  Kyle Eaves is a great all around player.  He has a rocket of an arm. It has been a transition that has been in the works since this kids sophomore year.  He was an excellent short stop and hitter, but Green proved to the staff that he was the right man for the job after a rough first year at TLU.  Back to Eaves, the coaching staff could have found something in this kid as a pitcher.  It should be interesting to see how he develops as a pitcher.  The pitching coach Fla Strawn has done an excellent job with these pitchers these past two years.  He really knows the game.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 20, 2010, 09:17:03 PM
Quote from: dbat on February 20, 2010, 08:33:37 PM
The pitching coach Fla Strawn has done an excellent job with these pitchers these past two years.  He really knows the game.

No love for Wallace?

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 20, 2010, 09:39:58 PM
UTD takes 2 of 3 from Hardin Simmons.

Game 1 saw Jr. Transfer Marvin Prestridge toss 8 innings, giving up only 5 hits and 1 run in a 6-1 Dallas victory. Sr. Randy Lorber was 4-4.

In game 2, HSU's Sam Walker tossed a complete game, scattering 10 hits has HSU prevailed 6-1. Jr. SS Brian Weeks was 3-4 w/ 4 RBIs in the victory.

UTD took the rubber game 4-3. Mason Thompson threw 7 innings and left the game with a 3-3 tie. UTD tacked one on in the bottom of the 7th and Adam Spinn pitched two scoreless innings for the save. 3B Larry Bolding was 3-3 for UTD in the win.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on February 20, 2010, 10:30:35 PM
TLU pounds out 14 hits today in the 8-5 win.  This time the word "pound" is very appropriate.  UTT has great velocity but they couldn't find the plate and TLU really took advantage.  Steinert was a standard OK today.  Fewell and Hembree kept them at bay for the 8th/9th.  Big hits in the 8th by Green, Knokleby and Lucero.  For those not there, there was a BIG Brew-Ha-Ha with respect to the coach for UTT being in the dugout.  He was ejected from the previous night's game.  Coach Burnett had no problem but the umps thought there was an issue.  Basically, the umps thought he couldn't be in the digout.  After 30 minutes or so, the game resumed.  UTT played the game under protest...figure that...and TLU took the victory.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on February 20, 2010, 10:34:32 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on February 20, 2010, 09:17:03 PM
Quote from: dbat on February 20, 2010, 08:33:37 PM
The pitching coach Fla Strawn has done an excellent job with these pitchers these past two years.  He really knows the game.

No love for Wallace?

JSG

Coach Wallace is a good coach but it is hard to argue with the expertise and respect that Coach Strawn gets from the kids.  I believe they have a great working relationship and it's a huge advantage for TLU that they have multiple guys working with the pitchers/catchers.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dbat on February 21, 2010, 03:16:48 PM
Wallace is great, and understands the game greatly.  like swbaseball3 said Fla is an awesome coach and knows how to get the players full potential out of them.  He is the best addition to TLU these past two years. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 21, 2010, 03:51:38 PM
With the talk about coaches, I wanted to give mention to MC's. Coach Brian Owens has obviously done a great job rebuilding things. Jake Bell is in his first year as the assistant and did a really good job bringing in this recruiting class, along with former assistant Tim Kendrick.

The baseball program added quality GA's in the offseason. Corey Stevens batted cleanup last year for a Southern Mississippi team that reached the College World Series. He's from Clinton and has helped a lot already. Brett Hinson fills the other GA position after his all-america season last year. Nathan Purvis is another new guy on staff who spent time in the Red Sox organization as a first baseman.

We added some good players this offseason, but I think we were very fortunate with what Coach Owens added to the coaching staff.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseballfan24 on February 21, 2010, 08:46:39 PM
I agree.  I don't know much about Mississppi, but they sure have gotten much better really fast.  Although, I don't know that they were ever down for very long, they always seem to be in the mix when it comes postseason time.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on February 21, 2010, 11:40:47 PM
Quote from: dbat on February 21, 2010, 03:16:48 PM
Wallace is great, and understands the game greatly.  like swbaseball3 said Fla is an awesome coach and knows how to get the players full potential out of them.  He is the best addition to TLU these past two years. 

Amen to that, my friend.  Fla Strawn is a HUGE asset to TLU and Coach Burnett.  I know many D1 teams that have 3 coaches.  With Fla, Sal Tijerina an occasional Buzzy Keller, TLU has 5-6 coaches at their practices.  I am sure that Burnett likes that flexibility
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dbat on February 22, 2010, 10:03:13 PM
I have to agree with baseballfan24.  Mississippi has really stepped up their play in my eyes.  They were a well coached team last year as I saw them in the post season. Props to coach Owens.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on February 22, 2010, 10:56:53 PM
Congrats to Brad Orosey and Ryan Nokelby for their Player of the Week selections.  Nok could have been 11 for 14 on the week if he hadn't hit four line drives at players for the week.  Well deserved award for a good kid.  Orosey...what can you say.  He'll win plenty more of those honors.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Voorhees on February 27, 2010, 12:12:20 AM
Mississippi College got after Concordia tonight. Bo Bell hit his third bomb, that kid must really be able to play. Seaman went to work- 7 innings, two walks and one strike out. As a defensive player, you have to love that. A pitcher that simply puts the game in the hands of the 8 guys behind him and keeps it moving, not much more you can ask for.


Anyone on here know anything about the new coach for Concordia? I always liked Garner, Hambone, give us a heads up on ol' dad...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on February 27, 2010, 03:26:11 PM
Texas Lutheran just knocked off University of Dallas 10-4 in game one.  Orosey wene a scoreless 5 innings to earn win #4.  Peterson and Hull wrapped it up yielding 4.  Miller hits a 3-run bomb in first to get TLU off to the races.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 28, 2010, 08:09:57 PM
Other weekend results:

UT Tyler takes 2 of three from Hardin Simmons

UMHB takes 2 of 3 from LA College.

Sul Ross wins 2 of 3 from Ozarks

Mississippi College Sweeps Concordia.

UT Dallas Sweeps Schreiner

Howard Payne wins first 2 vs ETBU (game three not known yet)

McMurry wins first 2 vs LeTourneau (game three not known yet)

TLU drops 2 of 3 to University of Dallas (3-9). Dallas had previously been swept by Sul Ross and lost 2 of 3 to Howard Payne. This is the most shocking of the weekend to me.


Some really high scoring games this weekend. It looks to me like there will be some very big offensive scores in conference this year.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2010, 10:01:25 PM
Coach James Vilade (http://www.ascsports.org/news/2010/3/1/BSB_0301102312.aspx) is leaving UT-Tyler at the end of the season.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dbat on March 01, 2010, 10:39:43 PM
I don't know what to say about the weekend TLU had except they did not come to play at all.  Yes, Dallas pitched some good games, but TLU should have hit.  We all especially me thought that TLU was coming out to be the real deal, but I really have to reconsider after a very disappointing performance this past weekend.  Now, don't get me wrong.  TLU is still a great team and it is only one weekend, but this was a weekend that SHOULD HAVE BEEN WON.  I don't exactly know how they are going to come out against trinity in San Antonio tomorrow.  TLU has always played them close except for one time lately at TLU two years ago when they got thumped with all those home runs.  The game tomorrow might tell a lot.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 03, 2010, 08:02:13 AM
UMHB shuts out Southwestern 7-0 last night.

Trinity knocks off TLU 4-2. TLU bats have gone silent. Klimesh has had two very good outings against the ASC thus far.

Any insight dbat and swbaseball3 at where the bats have gone?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 03, 2010, 03:39:59 PM
Quote from: dp643 on March 03, 2010, 08:02:13 AM
UMHB shuts out Southwestern 7-0 last night.

Trinity knocks off TLU 4-2. TLU bats have gone silent. Klimesh has had two very good outings against the ASC thus far.

Any insight dbat and swbaseball3 at where the bats have gone?

re: TLU Bats...

I think they'll be okay come conference play. With the exception of a few #1's I don't see a lot of depth on the bump in the West this year. Klimesh is a good arm, and Trinity obviously doesn't think much of Southwestern this weekend or they wouldn't have run out a rotation guy for a mid-week game.

With the way Staggs has pitched thus far it was good that TLU was able to give a couple of different guys a decent look. It will be interesting to see how some of those younger arms develop and if Staggs can retain that 3rd starter spot.

JSG



Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 03, 2010, 04:01:24 PM
Coach Vilade - leaving UTT at end of season.

The decision was made based on what was in the best interest of his family. Which is another way of saying that it was based in large on monetary considerations. Even though he was Athletic Director as well as head baseball coach the pay was not very great. The oportunity to earn more and spend more time with his young family but still be involved in baseball was overwhelming. James sunk his heart and soul into that team and it had to be a very difficult decision. I think eventually UTT would have moved up to Div II or even Div I but that is years off into the future. The school certainly has no plans for that now. He will be hard to replace but I hope they give strong consideration to Stan Phelps who has been with the program since it started.

Texas BB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tigerfan_2001 on March 03, 2010, 04:31:14 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on March 03, 2010, 03:39:59 PM
Quote from: dp643 on March 03, 2010, 08:02:13 AM
UMHB shuts out Southwestern 7-0 last night.

Trinity knocks off TLU 4-2. TLU bats have gone silent. Klimesh has had two very good outings against the ASC thus far.

Any insight dbat and swbaseball3 at where the bats have gone?

re: TLU Bats...

I think they'll be okay come conference play. With the exception of a few #1's I don't see a lot of depth on the bump in the West this year. Klimesh is a good arm, and Trinity obviously doesn't think much of Southwestern this weekend or they wouldn't have run out a rotation guy for a mid-week game.

With the way Staggs has pitched thus far it was good that TLU was able to give a couple of different guys a decent look. It will be interesting to see how some of those younger arms develop and if Staggs can retain that 3rd starter spot.

JSG




I dont know if TU used Klimesh because they dont think much of SU, but more that they needed a win, badly.  After losing the the fashion they did to Hendrix, I think Coach Scannell wanted to win to hopefully have some momentum going into this weekends games.  Hope it works out for them as they need to take 2 of 3 from Southwestern....
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tloc14 on March 06, 2010, 05:52:44 PM
UTTyler seems to be having a down year this season.  Their pitching seems extremely weak this year.

I dont know why they were voted to repeat as East champs.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dbat on March 06, 2010, 06:38:02 PM
RE: TLU Bats

I watched TLU this weekend against ETBU and I know that ETBU is not a big competitor in the East, but TLU swung well I thought this weekend.  Ok, in regards to why they have gone quite.  In the past 5 or so years every time TLU plays at Trinity or McMurry they always seem to struggle hitting the night games. Now I am not trying to be a skeptic, but from past experiences not really ever playing at night, and then having to see good pitching at night can mess with you.  Now this is no excuse, but ya they kinda went quiet against UD and Trinity.  I think that the west will be decided between the two teams coming up next weekend.  McMurry and TLU. 

As many of you know, and Ralph will testify to this, this is a HUGE rivalry.  Three years ago we had that big brawl.  Year after that McMurry came to Seguin and just crushed the ball!  Last year TLU went up to Abilene and played some good ball there! So I EXPECT McMurry to come in ready to try and reclaim the west title!

My pick for series of the week (McMurry vs. TLU!)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dbat on March 06, 2010, 06:43:06 PM
tloc14:

The reason Tyler was voted to repeat as East Champs is because they are an established program that has proven over the years even under probational years that they are big time.  They have lost some people, but have also returned quite a few and gained a couple key players from ETBU.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Voorhees on March 07, 2010, 12:16:44 AM
Louisiana came to Abilene and lost the series for the 4th time in 5 years. (HSU ended their season in '06, McMurry ended their season in '07 & '08, and this weekend McM takes 2 of 3).

I'm going to go ahead and throw it out there that Abilene is not their favorite vacation destination.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 07, 2010, 01:04:36 PM
The top 4 in the west from last year all square off against each other the first week of ASC play. Should be a great weekend of baseball.

HSU vs UMHB
TLU vs McMurry

Itll be interesting to see which teams get a head start in the standings. Good luck to everyone next weekend.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on March 07, 2010, 10:41:34 PM
Quote from: dp643 on March 03, 2010, 08:02:13 AM
UMHB shuts out Southwestern 7-0 last night.

Trinity knocks off TLU 4-2. TLU bats have gone silent. Klimesh has had two very good outings against the ASC thus far.

Any insight dbat and swbaseball3 at where the bats have gone?

Coach Burnett is really tinkering with the lineup and the player positions.  Harvey was moved from leadoff to 9, Green moved from 7th to leadoff.  They are also switching out 3rd and catcher.  The net result is they are just struggling to find the mix.  Wheaton and Curtis are killing it but playing every other game.  I think this weekend, Burnett settles on a line-up and you should expect more of what happened at the ETBU series.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on March 07, 2010, 10:48:18 PM
Quote from: dbat on March 06, 2010, 06:38:02 PM
RE: TLU Bats

I watched TLU this weekend against ETBU and I know that ETBU is not a big competitor in the East, but TLU swung well I thought this weekend.  Ok, in regards to why they have gone quite.  In the past 5 or so years every time TLU plays at Trinity or McMurry they always seem to struggle hitting the night games. Now I am not trying to be a skeptic, but from past experiences not really ever playing at night, and then having to see good pitching at night can mess with you.  Now this is no excuse, but ya they kinda went quiet against UD and Trinity.  I think that the west will be decided between the two teams coming up next weekend.  McMurry and TLU. 

As many of you know, and Ralph will testify to this, this is a HUGE rivalry.  Three years ago we had that big brawl.  Year after that McMurry came to Seguin and just crushed the ball!  Last year TLU went up to Abilene and played some good ball there! So I EXPECT McMurry to come in ready to try and reclaim the west title!

My pick for series of the week (McMurry vs. TLU!)


As always, I also look for this series to be a fun one.  I can't see McMurray beating Orosey so for them to win the series, they have to sweep (in theory) on Saturday.  That is going to be a tall task as TLU is pretty tough at home.  Steinert and Staggs  were pretty good this weekend with the exception of pitching to Leftwich.  FYI, that kid can flat out hit!!  I think that Steinert wins on the tail of an Orosey win and the 3rd game is a shoot out.  Flip a coin on the winner.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on March 08, 2010, 07:14:27 AM
Quote from: tloc14 on March 06, 2010, 05:52:44 PM
UTTyler seems to be having a down year this season.  Their pitching seems extremely weak this year.

I dont know why they were voted to repeat as East champs.

UTT is really an interesting deal.  They have legit 1-4 maybe 5 in the line-up.  They seem a little suspect later in the order but to score 2 runs at SR this past Friday, what the heck is up with that?  Now, pitching, yes, it looks down but in person, it doesn't look like it's amiss.  Candidly speaking, it's impressive in person.

Now, the deal, I think is simple.  They walk way too many guys and they end up having to throw fat pitches in predictable counts.  That's never a good thing.

If they figure out how to throw some more strikes, they could be dangerous later in the year.  No one will want to meet them in the conference series if they get the engine started.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2010, 05:32:32 PM
Marietta 18 UTTyler 5

Pitching by committee by UTT.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mideastfan2 on March 09, 2010, 07:48:16 PM
Marietta once again plays some tough ASC competition in their annual spring trip to Texas.

Marietta - 18
UT-Tyler - 5

Marietta - 1
UT-Dallas - 2 (won on a walk-off HR in 9th)

Marietta - 12
HSU - 10

Marietta vs McMurry tonight.
Marietta vs MHB tomorrow afternoon.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2010, 08:03:53 PM
McMurry has livestats for the Marietta game.

http://www.sidearmstats.com/mcmurry/baseball/index.htm

Marietta 10-10-2
McMurry 2-4-3
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dbat on March 09, 2010, 10:52:34 PM
Ralph,  Now that a couple of us have given our thoughts about this Mcmurry vs. TLU weekend, I want to hear what your thoughts are.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2010, 11:10:28 PM
Quote from: dbat on March 09, 2010, 10:52:34 PM
Ralph,  Now that a couple of us have given our thoughts about this Mcmurry vs. TLU weekend, I want to hear what your thoughts are.
Too much rebuilding by McMurry.  McM is still trying to build a pitching staff.  I wish that the TLU series were in mid April.   :)

TLU wins the series, 2-1.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on March 10, 2010, 12:21:24 AM
Another good win for Mississippi College (13-1) tonight beating NAIA Belhaven College (16-4) by a 3-2 score. Terrell Prescott and Daniel Cowart gave up just three hits in nine innings dropping the team ERA to 2.50. MC outhit Belhaven 10-3 and Bo Bell hit his 5th homer.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on March 10, 2010, 08:30:28 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2010, 11:10:28 PM
Quote from: dbat on March 09, 2010, 10:52:34 PM
Ralph,  Now that a couple of us have given our thoughts about this Mcmurry vs. TLU weekend, I want to hear what your thoughts are.
Too much rebuilding by McMurry.  McM is still trying to build a pitching staff.  I wish that the TLU series were in mid April.   :)

TLU wins the series, 2-1.


Like most crazy baseball guys, I scour the websites for stats and records and information.  Looking at McM pitching lines, they have thrown a BUNCH of guys for a few of innings.  Per Ralph,  they are searching which is not a good thing heading to TLU for the weekend.

With TLU finiding their bats since the Dallas weekend, lots of runs are probably in store.  We'll see but I, like Ralph, see a 2-1/3-0 for TLU with Orosey and Steinert winning and a shootout in game three, winner TBD.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigTex on March 10, 2010, 08:21:46 PM
McMurry has been playing a lot of guys to get experience up since they are such a young team but they have a lot of talent. It will surprise many on how McM can play eventhough their record doesnt show it, but you got to look at who they have played for the first part of their schedule. As far as the pitching goes for McM they have a good staff, young but some of the players can throw. Dakota Smith has been there all four years and is the leader of the whole staff and is a very talented pitcher. The series this weekend will be a real good series and will show what is to come with both TLU and McM. Im going to go with McM to win 2-1 because they are the underdogs and they will come ready to play.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 10, 2010, 08:31:47 PM
Welcome to the boards, BigTex.

Glad to have new posters on here.

I am being cautious about my predicition.  They are making too many errors for my taste.  Maybe it is excitement.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigTex on March 10, 2010, 08:47:29 PM
Indeed they are making a lot of errors and that shows the inexperience they have. Guys just getting use to playing, but I have faith in the young guys cause I see a lot of potential when I have seen McM play. McM does buckle down when need to and have improved a lot since their first game. Bats are coming back and knowing what McM has done in the past I imagine they have a set lineup now going into the TLU series. Going to be a great series.....just hope I am able to watch the games online.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on March 11, 2010, 08:03:06 AM
Quote from: BigTex on March 10, 2010, 08:47:29 PM
Indeed they are making a lot of errors and that shows the inexperience they have. Guys just getting use to playing, but I have faith in the young guys cause I see a lot of potential when I have seen McM play. McM does buckle down when need to and have improved a lot since their first game. Bats are coming back and knowing what McM has done in the past I imagine they have a set lineup now going into the TLU series. Going to be a great series.....just hope I am able to watch the games online.

I am flying down to see the series so I wil make sure the announcers put a shout out to you, Big Tex.  Glad to see you onboard!

Here's what's going to be interesting.  Orosey is 15-1 in his college career.  He is virtually unbeatable and if I'm not mistaken, his only loss is on a 9th inning HR where TLU scored 2 runs for him.  So, it is close to impossible to pick McM in game one...and that will be Dakota's game.

So, what that means is this...the young guys on the bump for McM are going to be the guys that have to sweep on Saturday.  Not saying it can't be done but that's a tall task.  They are hitting .253 as a team with an inordinant number of .250 hitters.  Lots of guys playing and not many jumping to the forefront.

As Ralph pointed out, 38 errors is going to be a killer.  Although errors lead to unearned runs, I am sure that pitchers having to labor is leading to the 7.50+ ERA.

So, I am  not counting Mcm out by anymeans.  They are a good team year in and year out but they have a lot of things to fix before tomorrow.  Listen for that shout out!!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigTex on March 11, 2010, 09:26:12 AM
I agree he has been pretty much unbeatable....but thats why you got to love baseball anyone can win on any given night. Yea they have made lots of errors and that has lead to the high ERA but also the good teams that they played.....I remember going to watch the New Mexico Highlands game and those guys could just flat out hit. Part of it might be the coaching from the new pitching coach and getting adjusted his ways. Im not making an excuses for McM cause that many errors is not acceptable....especially if you want to win against a good team like TLU. In order for McM to win they are going to have to quit making mental mistakes. I have faith in them though and how big of a series this is I bet they are going to come out and play. I will be looking forward to that shout out.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 11, 2010, 10:41:47 AM
The one stat McMurry cant hide from is the fielding.

But with regards to their team batting average and ERA, the numbers may be skewed. McMurry has played a pretty brutal schedule thus far, and I can safely go out on a limb and say that they have played 2/3 of their games thus far against very quality opponents. They are better at the plate and on the mound than they have shown.

TLU on the other hand has played probably only 2 or 3 games against the same quality of teams that McMurry has in a majority of their games.

IF UofD can win two of three from TLU, Id say McMurry can as well.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigTex on March 11, 2010, 11:14:16 AM
Your very correct on the fielding stats and they have had trouble on that part of it. If they cut out the errors this weekend I believe they will give TLU more than they can handle. McM has had a brutal schedule but I think it will do them good in the end. What are everyone elses picks for the first round of conference play? I think it will be a toss up with HSU vs UMHB this weekend but I will go with HSU....I pick Concordia to win 2-1 against HPU but no little on both of those teams so im just pickin one.....I pick Sul Ross to sweep Schreiner because Sul Ross is just crushing the ball right now.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on March 11, 2010, 02:02:45 PM
Quote from: dp643 on March 11, 2010, 10:41:47 AM
The one stat McMurry cant hide from is the fielding.

But with regards to their team batting average and ERA, the numbers may be skewed. McMurry has played a pretty brutal schedule thus far, and I can safely go out on a limb and say that they have played 2/3 of their games thus far against very quality opponents. They are better at the plate and on the mound than they have shown.

TLU on the other hand has played probably only 2 or 3 games against the same quality of teams that McMurry has in a majority of their games.

IF UofD can win two of three from TLU, Id say McMurry can as well.

No doubt but there is a big difference...TLU took UofD lightly and with the history of TLU/McM, I can guarantee you that there will be no underestimation going on.

I was sitting next to a few TLU alum this past weekend and the stories that were going around about the brawl at McM a few years back are still fresh in their minds.  My bet, Burnett remembers them too.  He'll have his kids ready.

75 and sunny this weekend.  No excuses for anyone.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 11, 2010, 02:35:01 PM
Finally some warmer weather. I might actually be able to get out and make some games now. TLU/McMurry and HSU/UMHB will both be dogfights. I expect both series to go 2-1.

Congrats to Joseph Villegas for being named NCBWA National Player of the Week.

http://www.cruathletics.com/news/2010/3/11/BB_0311103252.aspx
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2010, 12:23:01 AM
The question of defense is pertinent in light of the recent Sports Illustrated article about defense of the Seattle Mariners as the new trendy "money ball".
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 12, 2010, 05:42:13 PM
TLU looked real impressive today. Big win. 17-3

Orosey looked virtually un hittable on the video. His final stat line was 8 IP, 3 Hits, 0 BB, 14K
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hatbaseball on March 12, 2010, 05:57:14 PM
McMurry's defensive problems turned what could have been a close game into a blowout.  First a pop-up on the infield that would have been the 3rd out and kept the score at 0-0 is not caught and TLU takes advantage and scores 5 runs in the inning.  Then later a fly ball to center field that would have ended the inning is dropped and TLU again takes advantage and scores 8 runs in that inning.  If McMurry makes those simple plays they can at least have a hope of making a game of it.  Instead it got UGLY.  TLU showed how good they are by taking advantage of both of those.

Of course it may not have mattered because Orosey was awesome as usual.  I saw him pitch last year and thought he looked great.  I must brag that my son was 2 for 3 off him today though.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on March 12, 2010, 10:01:56 PM
I was really surprised to see the final between TLU and McM today! Will be in attendance tomorrow and hope that it's not as one sided as it appeared to be today.  Definitely am missing all the excitement of following the kid and teams around.  Due to a throwing arm injury (shoulder) we're having to take a season off. We hope to be back at it in time to find a new contract for the 2011 season...

On the bright side, I guess it might free me up to get some needed chores done around the old homestead...although, I'd rather be in the stands watching baseball!! I do plan to make the run down to Alpine and catch a weekend of baseball with Jeremy's old team. Great little town, Alpine is, and what a better way to spend a weekend... at the 'best little ball part in West Texas' or so ESPN says... ;D
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on March 12, 2010, 10:12:10 PM
Quote from: dp643 on March 11, 2010, 02:35:01 PM
Finally some warmer weather. I might actually be able to get out and make some games now. TLU/McMurry and HSU/UMHB will both be dogfights. I expect both series to go 2-1.

Congrats to Joseph Villegas for being named NCBWA National Player of the Week.

http://www.cruathletics.com/news/2010/3/11/BB_0311103252.aspx

Right On dp643, when you look at the number of DIII programs and the number of players in the pool, you realize just how difficult this is to do, let alone, stay that focused at the plate. Congrats to Villegas!

Interesting that a player from Hays HS and Bowie HS (10 miles apart) have achieved this honor in back to back years!  Joseph has always been a great hitter and he very well could repeat again before the season is over - scary!!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on March 13, 2010, 05:39:22 AM
Tyler Seaman allowed two hits in eight innings tonight in the 8-0 win over LC. He struck out ten with no walks.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on March 13, 2010, 08:08:14 AM
Quote from: hatbaseball on March 12, 2010, 05:57:14 PM
McMurry's defensive problems turned what could have been a close game into a blowout.  First a pop-up on the infield that would have been the 3rd out and kept the score at 0-0 is not caught and TLU takes advantage and scores 5 runs in the inning.  Then later a fly ball to center field that would have ended the inning is dropped and TLU again takes advantage and scores 8 runs in that inning.  If McMurry makes those simple plays they can at least have a hope of making a game of it.  Instead it got UGLY.  TLU showed how good they are by taking advantage of both of those.

Of course it may not have mattered because Orosey was awesome as usual.  I saw him pitch last year and thought he looked great.  I must brag that my son was 2 for 3 off him today though.

Ugly is probably the right word.  After the first two innings, TLU just pounded the baseball and the result was 21 hits and 4 bombs.  The wind was a factor and TLU took full advantage.  The ball in the third inning should have been  caught.  The one on the outfield, well, the game was pretty much over by then so that kind of didn't matter.

Orosey was just spectacular.  In many instances, they had to have known that a slider was coming and still counldn't hit it.

On an interesting note, McM did not pitch Dakota.  From my perspective, that sends an interesting message.  They dodn't thrown their #1, senior, leader.  Why not?  Hmmmm....knew they couldn't beat Orosey?  I just wonder what kind of message that sends.

One last thing...the bottom of TLU's order was just off the charts.  I believe they had 7 hits and a couple of  bombs.  Since McGill stepped into the DH roll, he's hitting .700 or something crazy like that!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on March 13, 2010, 08:14:14 AM
Quote from: hatbaseball on March 12, 2010, 05:57:14 PM
McMurry's defensive problems turned what could have been a close game into a blowout.  First a pop-up on the infield that would have been the 3rd out and kept the score at 0-0 is not caught and TLU takes advantage and scores 5 runs in the inning.  Then later a fly ball to center field that would have ended the inning is dropped and TLU again takes advantage and scores 8 runs in that inning.  If McMurry makes those simple plays they can at least have a hope of making a game of it.  Instead it got UGLY.  TLU showed how good they are by taking advantage of both of those.

Of course it may not have mattered because Orosey was awesome as usual.  I saw him pitch last year and thought he looked great.  I must brag that my son was 2 for 3 off him today though.

BTW, that is a pretty good feat.  Look at Orosey's stats and he's giving up .5 hits per inning.  2 hits of him has been close to impossible this year.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2010, 08:23:51 AM
Quote from: swbaseball3 on March 13, 2010, 08:08:14 AM
Quote from: hatbaseball on March 12, 2010, 05:57:14 PM
McMurry's defensive problems turned what could have been a close game into a blowout.  First a pop-up on the infield that would have been the 3rd out and kept the score at 0-0 is not caught and TLU takes advantage and scores 5 runs in the inning.  Then later a fly ball to center field that would have ended the inning is dropped and TLU again takes advantage and scores 8 runs in that inning.  If McMurry makes those simple plays they can at least have a hope of making a game of it.  Instead it got UGLY.  TLU showed how good they are by taking advantage of both of those.

Of course it may not have mattered because Orosey was awesome as usual.  I saw him pitch last year and thought he looked great.  I must brag that my son was 2 for 3 off him today though.

Ugly is probably the right word.  After the first two innings, TLU just pounded the baseball and the result was 21 hits and 4 bombs.  The wind was a factor and TLU took full advantage.  The ball in the third inning should have been  caught.  The one on the outfield, well, the game was pretty much over by then so that kind of didn't matter.

Orosey was just spectacular.  In many instances, they had to have known that a slider was coming and still counldn't hit it.

On an interesting note, McM did not pitch Dakota.  From my perspective, that sends an interesting message.  They dodn't thrown their #1, senior, leader.  Why not?  Hmmmm....knew they couldn't beat Orosey?  I just wonder what kind of message that sends.
One last thing...the bottom of TLU's order was just off the charts.  I believe they had 7 hits and a couple of  bombs.  Since McGill stepped into the DH roll, he's hitting .700 or something crazy like that!

There are very few pitchers in D-III who are pitching as well as Orosey at this time.

You are now talking managerial strategy.  You are on the road.  TLU has the best #1 in the West.  If you can match up your #1 and #2 against their #2 and #3 and get 2 wins, then you have faced your toughest road trip and come out 1 game up.  Even going 1-2 at this time may not hurt you too badly.  We are playing for the post-season, and as the #2 West seed, you will probably face the #3 East and then the #1 East seed.

Develop your very young team and hope to catch TLU in May.   :)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on March 13, 2010, 09:28:16 AM
Ralph, I think you nailed it. Great perspective!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 13, 2010, 02:38:55 PM
UMHB and HSU have just committed I believe their 4th balk of the series, and we are only 12 innings into it. One balk was overruled late last night or there would be 5. Anyone ever seen anything like this?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 13, 2010, 02:40:07 PM
Make that 5 balks now. Kriegel just got called for his second. THats crazy.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on March 13, 2010, 06:59:24 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2010, 08:23:51 AM
Quote from: swbaseball3 on March 13, 2010, 08:08:14 AM
Quote from: hatbaseball on March 12, 2010, 05:57:14 PM
McMurry's defensive problems turned what could have been a close game into a blowout.  First a pop-up on the infield that would have been the 3rd out and kept the score at 0-0 is not caught and TLU takes advantage and scores 5 runs in the inning.  Then later a fly ball to center field that would have ended the inning is dropped and TLU again takes advantage and scores 8 runs in that inning.  If McMurry makes those simple plays they can at least have a hope of making a game of it.  Instead it got UGLY.  TLU showed how good they are by taking advantage of both of those.

Of course it may not have mattered because Orosey was awesome as usual.  I saw him pitch last year and thought he looked great.  I must brag that my son was 2 for 3 off him today though.

Well, the strategy worked like a champ.  Dakota was pretty tough.  He threw a great game.  Then Staggs matched it with what I would  say was a better game.  Should have ended the game with 1-hitter but for a lost ball in the sun/wind in the 9th.

Fun games to watch today but it was truly a tale of two games.  TLU had 16-17 hits in game 2 but only managed 5-6 in game one.  McM had 8 hits or so in game one and then 3 in game 2.  Kind of strange.

Wlel, the conference is off to the races and it will be interesting to see what happens over the next few weeks.

Ugly is probably the right word.  After the first two innings, TLU just pounded the baseball and the result was 21 hits and 4 bombs.  The wind was a factor and TLU took full advantage.  The ball in the third inning should have been  caught.  The one on the outfield, well, the game was pretty much over by then so that kind of didn't matter.

Orosey was just spectacular.  In many instances, they had to have known that a slider was coming and still counldn't hit it.

On an interesting note, McM did not pitch Dakota.  From my perspective, that sends an interesting message.  They dodn't thrown their #1, senior, leader.  Why not?  Hmmmm....knew they couldn't beat Orosey?  I just wonder what kind of message that sends.
One last thing...the bottom of TLU's order was just off the charts.  I believe they had 7 hits and a couple of  bombs.  Since McGill stepped into the DH roll, he's hitting .700 or something crazy like that!

There are very few pitchers in D-III who are pitching as well as Orosey at this time.

You are now talking managerial strategy.  You are on the road.  TLU has the best #1 in the West.  If you can match up your #1 and #2 against their #2 and #3 and get 2 wins, then you have faced your toughest road trip and come out 1 game up.  Even going 1-2 at this time may not hurt you too badly.  We are playing for the post-season, and as the #2 West seed, you will probably face the #3 East and then the #1 East seed.

Develop your very young team and hope to catch TLU in May.   :)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on March 13, 2010, 11:35:25 PM
MC needed a 9th inning rally in the final game but finished a sweep of Louisiana College. The staff ERA lowered to 2.12 and the opposing batting average is .193.

Orosey has been great on the West side so far. Tyler Seaman has put up great numbers on the East side, along with several other Choctaws. The pitching staff has been great so far, and will have to pitch like that next weekend against one of the best offenses in the ASC at UT-Dallas. There were 62 total runs scored at UT-Dallas this weekend with Ozarks in town.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigTex on March 14, 2010, 07:15:44 PM
Well the series didnt turn out quite like I was expecting it to be....but it was a good series....Orosey pitch a great game and I give him all my best in the rest of the season because he is a great pitcher. The first game started out like it was going to be close one and Cory Davis was pitching great until the lil blooper pop fly that was dropped in the infield then I dont know what happened I guess he let it get to him and everything just snowballed after that. The second game Dakota Smith pitched a great game....looked like he was back to his old ways when he pitched in '08. The third game was good and Zach Hewitt kept McM within striking distance but the TLU pitcher did a good job pitching and the bats went silent after a great game before that. TLU is an good team and will be the team to beat in the west. As for Dakota not starting the first game I dont know why he didnt, but I was looking back at the games he has pitched and they have all been the 7 inning games so it looks like he will be pitching those games I am presuming. Great Job to the other teams in the conference as well, it looks like it is going to be another great season.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on March 14, 2010, 10:01:10 PM
Quote from: BigTex on March 14, 2010, 07:15:44 PM
Well the series didnt turn out quite like I was expecting it to be....but it was a good series....Orosey pitch a great game and I give him all my best in the rest of the season because he is a great pitcher. The first game started out like it was going to be close one and Cory Davis was pitching great until the lil blooper pop fly that was dropped in the infield then I dont know what happened I guess he let it get to him and everything just snowballed after that. The second game Dakota Smith pitched a great game....looked like he was back to his old ways when he pitched in '08. The third game was good and Zach Hewitt kept McM within striking distance but the TLU pitcher did a good job pitching and the bats went silent after a great game before that. TLU is an good team and will be the team to beat in the west. As for Dakota not starting the first game I dont know why he didnt, but I was looking back at the games he has pitched and they have all been the 7 inning games so it looks like he will be pitching those games I am presuming. Great Job to the other teams in the conference as well, it looks like it is going to be another great season.

Hats off to both Dakota and Staggs.  They were outstanding yesterday.  Dakota had 3-4 pitches working all day.  He would hit a great pitch for strike one and the rest was history.  His curve was consistent for strikes.  He threw some great change-ups and was on his game.

As for Staggs, if he pitches like that the rest of the year (or even part), TLU will be very tough in each series.  It was good to see Travis command both sides of the plate.  He has a mean tail on is 2-seam fatsball and it was baring down on the righties.

Surprise player of the series...Jason McGill.  He's getting a chance at the plate in the DH role and this kid can hit.  For all those who wait their time only to see success when they get a chance, well, hats off.  McGill....watch this kid.  Strong and can hit.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Voorhees on March 15, 2010, 03:51:54 PM
Three dominant games from the mound. I had my own coaching duties this weekend, however, I wish I could have seen Dakota throw, from everything I've heard he threw at his potential. Good to see him step up and get a critical win to avoid the sweep.

Staggs is the one with the good fastball right? I've been trying to remember, that's the way my memory was leaning.

Congrats HSU, good to start conference against a quality opponent and walk away with two wins.

So, what to think about UMHB? They've beaten some historically good teams, but have had some recent struggles.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 15, 2010, 04:50:37 PM
I cant quite figure out the Cru yet at this point in the season.

This weekend against HSU they played very well for about 24 of the 27 innings. On Friday night HSU scored 2 runs on balks and then hit a walk off homer in the bottom of the ninth with and unlikely homerun hitter at the plate. But that still doesnt hide the fact that they got out of a bases loaded jam in the bottom of the eighth with a linedrive double play. On Saturday they dominated both games with the exception of one inning in which the team imploded for 5 errors and gave up 10 runs.

They play awesome defense at one point, but then cant hit worth a lick. They tear the cover off the ball and then cant get anyone out at the plate. They are dominant on the mound and then cant field a ball. This is a very talented team that I think once they get it together could play with and beat anyone. If they can be consistent in 2 of the three phases of the game they are definitely one of the top 4 teams in the west. If they are clicking on all three like they should I think they can give TLU a run for their money. Lots of ifs, I know, so we will see which Cru team shows up the next few weekends.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on March 15, 2010, 09:17:24 PM
MC splits with Spalding. Won the first game 20-2 and led 19-0 after three innings, then drops the second game 2-1 by giving up two unearned runs after a bad throw. Spalding is 4-3 but probably a bad loss, but baseball I guess.

Not all bad though, Brandon Martin threw a couple scoreless innings in his first work in a month and hopefully will be completely back by tournament. The team ERA dipped to 1.99 after today, but I'm sure they'd trade it for a win in that second game.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 15, 2010, 09:18:16 PM
Quote from: Voorhees on March 15, 2010, 03:51:54 PM

Staggs is the one with the good fastball right? I've been trying to remember, that's the way my memory was leaning.


He's probably 82-86, a little flat (over the top), decent run on the two seam.

Like most D3 pitchers, he's successful when he keeps the ball down and works both sides of the plates.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on March 16, 2010, 06:59:43 AM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on March 15, 2010, 09:18:16 PM
Quote from: Voorhees on March 15, 2010, 03:51:54 PM

Staggs is the one with the good fastball right? I've been trying to remember, that's the way my memory was leaning.


He's probably 82-86, a little flat (over the top), decent run on the two seam.

Like most D3 pitchers, he's successful when he keeps the ball down and works both sides of the plates.

JSG

Fair assessment.  I didn't see the  guns this past weekend (not sure why I didn't peek), but he was tying up hitters all game, as evidenced by 1-hit thru 8-innings.  There are much harder throwers but as we all know, pitching usually keeps you in games.  Just throwing can make being a pitcher a dangerous occupation.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on March 18, 2010, 10:57:09 AM
Yesterday, Chris Green continued to impress by hitting a Grand Slam in the 5th inning to help carry TLU to a 9-5 non-conference win.  Logan Hull started and had a workman like day.  Knokleby continues to hit a ton going 2-for-2.  I believe he's hitting .463 on the season.  TLU has 5 players hitting above .390 and that would be 6 if you count McGill who is tearing the cover off the ball.

Love to hear the thoughts on this weekend's series versus HPU.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 18, 2010, 11:44:27 AM
Looking forward to McMurry vs. UMHB and UTD vs. Mississippi College. I think both of those series will provide solid insight into how the ASC my shake down this year.

As for TLU vs. HPU. I think TLU would have to be disappointed with anything other than a series sweep on the road. I love that with the exception of Lucero (who has been swinging it just fine), most of the Bulldogs who swing and miss a lot (Miller, Femath, etc.) are finding a way to get on base via BB/HBP as well. After Orosey you never know what you'll get on the mound so I'm interested to watch this staff as the season progresses. If Madden, Hull and few others continue throwing pretty well it will be interesting to see if the rotation stays the same throughout the year.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dbat on March 18, 2010, 01:46:04 PM
I can't agree with you more JSG.  If TLU doesn't sweep at home this weekend count that as a bummer.  If they want to dominate the west they need to sweep these games that must be swept.  As for Hull I am so glad to see he is doing well again.  Man, when he first came to the ASC he was dominant!  Pitched nine wonderful innings in the conference tournament championship game as a freshman with a ton of moxy.  He seemed to be inside of his own head to much these past couple of seasons, so hopefully he has found that control and swagger he once had.  Steinert is a great relief pitcher and I think he should have stayed in that roll.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on March 19, 2010, 08:25:09 AM
DBat, in my opinion, you are absolutely correct about Steinert.  He is pretty darn good 1-time through the line-up.  The second time, things seem to happen.  So, as a relief guy, he's tough.  I'm betting that he is working on that and if he solves that in his head, he can be dominant as a starter.

As for the swinging and missing comment...very observant.  The one thing that tends to jump out is with the exception of Knokleby, Wheaton and Green, TLU strikes out a lot.  I love Lucero, BTW, but look at his K's.  It's the weirdest thing.  The kid kills the baseball but he K's fairly often.  I have told many a person, he swings it like Will Clark/Rafael Palmero.  Absolutely beautiful swing.  Oh, back to the K's...the players you're thinking about K/W ratio is 5-to-3.  5 K's for every three walks.  BA between those guys is .350.  Money Ball in motion!!

My prediction is like yours...TLU in a sweep.  They will have to fight for one of the games but I am sure but the home field will be the determing factor. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 19, 2010, 07:13:10 PM
Scores so far:

Texas Lutheran 7 - Howard Payne 3 (http://www.tlubulldogs.com/custompages/tlu_baseball_ics/2010/tluhpbb1.htm)
UMHB 8 - McMurry 0 (http://www.cruathletics.com/custompages/baseball/2010/031910-a.htm)
Schreiner 6 - Hardin Simmons 1 (http://www.hsuathletics.com/sports/m-basebl/2009-10/files/031910bs.htm)
Concordia 6 - Sul Ross 5
Sul Ross 15 - Concordia 2
UTD 7 - Mississippi College 4
Miss Coll 10 - UTD 6
UT Tyler 4 - Ozarks 0

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 19, 2010, 09:32:47 PM
http://www.cruathletics.com/news/2010/3/19/BB_0319102811.aspx?path=baseball

McMurry 12 UMHB 9 (10) in the nightcap.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on March 19, 2010, 11:33:34 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on March 19, 2010, 07:13:10 PM
Scores so far:

Texas Lutheran 7 - Howard Payne 3 (http://www.tlubulldogs.com/custompages/tlu_baseball_ics/2010/tluhpbb1.htm)
UMHB 8 - McMurry 0 (http://www.cruathletics.com/custompages/baseball/2010/031910-a.htm)
Schreiner 6 - Hardin Simmons 1 (http://www.hsuathletics.com/sports/m-basebl/2009-10/files/031910bs.htm)
Concordia 6 - Sul Ross 5
Sul Ross 15 - Concordia 2
UTD 7 - Mississippi College 4
Miss Coll 10 - UTD 6
UT Tyler 4 - Ozarks 0

JSG

Is anyone other than me looking at the scores that Sul Ross is putting up and just wondering..."What the heck are those guys eating?"  Certainly, they have a loss every now and again but they seem to come back with 15 runs!  Impressive.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 19, 2010, 11:48:06 PM
Quote from: swbaseball3 on March 19, 2010, 11:33:34 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on March 19, 2010, 07:13:10 PM
Scores so far:

Texas Lutheran 7 - Howard Payne 3 (http://www.tlubulldogs.com/custompages/tlu_baseball_ics/2010/tluhpbb1.htm)
UMHB 8 - McMurry 0 (http://www.cruathletics.com/custompages/baseball/2010/031910-a.htm)
Schreiner 6 - Hardin Simmons 1 (http://www.hsuathletics.com/sports/m-basebl/2009-10/files/031910bs.htm)
Concordia 6 - Sul Ross 5
Sul Ross 15 - Concordia 2
UTD 7 - Mississippi College 4
Miss Coll 10 - UTD 6
UT Tyler 4 - Ozarks 0

JSG

Is anyone other than me looking at the scores that Sul Ross is putting up and just wondering..."What the heck are those guys eating?"  Certainly, they have a loss every now and again but they seem to come back with 15 runs!  Impressive.
Carranza and Nathan Molina are the pitchers for SRSU that have caught my eye.

I am not predicting that SRSU can catch to TLU, but as weak as the ASC-West pitching is this year, SRSU just might have the arms to come in second in the West and host a playoff game.

That is a long road trip for someone in the playoffs, and in a three game series against the ASC East #3, the Lobos might pull it off and win the first round series.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on March 20, 2010, 08:20:40 AM
Before the year started, I was speaking to some friends about the West.  I pretty much said the same thing.  TLU certainly lost talent with  Harvey and Macklin but everyone else lost more.  UTT lost their entire pitching staff (for all intents), McM, HSU and UTD lost key players.  The point being is it's tough to replace that many key players across the division.

I agree with the Sul Ross comment.  It appears that they have enough offense to not get swept.  If they don't lose "winnable" games, they could go 2-1 against most teams in the west.

If TLU takes care of business, sweeps the series they should sweep, Sul Ross won't catch them.  But, I wouldn't want to go to Alpine for a series late in the year!  Ugh.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on March 20, 2010, 04:38:04 PM
First Game of the doubleheader is complete in Seguin.

HPU 5 TLU 21... Just tuned in so don't know the details yet...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dawgsdad on March 20, 2010, 04:59:26 PM
Quote from: swbaseball3 on March 20, 2010, 08:20:40 AM
Before the year started, I was speaking to some friends about the West.  I pretty much said the same thing.  TLU certainly lost talent with  Harvey and Macklin but everyone else lost more.  UTT lost their entire pitching staff (for all intents), McM, HSU and UTD lost key players.  The point being is it's tough to replace that many key players across the division.

I agree with the Sul Ross comment.  It appears that they have enough offense to not get swept.  If they don't lose "winnable" games, they could go 2-1 against most teams in the west.

If TLU takes care of business, sweeps the series they should sweep, Sul Ross won't catch them.  But, I wouldn't want to go to Alpine for a series late in the year!  Ugh.

Not to take anything away from Harvey and Macklin but could it be that TLU has matured more than other teams year over year, hence there consistency year over year?  This to me, makes me think that Burnett and staff have a way of positioning and maturing the underclassmen in an effort to minimize the impact of lost talent of the likes of Harvey, Macklin, Farr, and others.

One example of what I'm thinking about is Sul Ross - although they seem to be putting up tall numbers, they seem to be inconsistent in the end. I think they did the same thing last year as well, which makes me consider the inconsistency of their squad overall.  It will be interesting to watch to see how consistent both squads are throughout the remainder of the season... Just some thoughts.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Voorhees on March 21, 2010, 04:59:21 PM
From what I gathered on UMHB's website, McM gave away a 6-0 to lose the series. Plenty of unearned runs allowed by both teams it appears in the UMHB's 8-7 win. McM allowed 5 runs in the 7th, 8th, and 9th innings.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 21, 2010, 08:53:19 PM
Quote from: Voorhees on March 21, 2010, 04:59:21 PM
From what I gathered on UMHB's website, McM gave away a 6-0 to lose the series. Plenty of unearned runs allowed by both teams it appears in the UMHB's 8-7 win. McM allowed 5 runs in the 7th, 8th, and 9th innings.
Yes, our defense killed us today.  We wasted a good start by Zack Hewitt, the sophomore RHP from Abilene.

This is the season that we play TLU, UMHB, CTX and SRSU on the road.  Losing a series like that on the road really hurts.


Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dbat on March 22, 2010, 10:03:23 PM
TLU never gets big names, but seems to get the kids with big hearts and a ton of potential.  They have a way of molding players into great role players, or using that player in the perfect role to help the team in just the right way.  Look at last years steals compared to this years so far.  Last year TLU had a ton of speed in my opinion.  They returned 4 1/2 starting position players including Miller that DH'ed and played last year.  This year they aren't putting up near the numbers as they were last year in steals.  This to me is a sign that the coaches use the talent of the kids to adapt their style of ball while keeping them playing program ball.  Burnett had a great tutor in Coach Bill Miller to learn under.

On the note of Sul Ross, I think they have potential, but they are not used to success.  I can agree with Ralph that they are playing a lot better this year and could make a run at it in the middle of the season.  Think about this, if it comes down to it  CTX, UMHB, TLU, and McMurry have all been in that pressure spot of having to win and be in, or win the series to win the west.  I just think that two of these teams will end of passing SRS.  I could see them maybe getting in to the 4 spot, but thats its for me.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigTex on March 22, 2010, 11:29:09 PM
I agree with you dbat.....Sul Ross is doing good but not use to success as much as the teams you mentioned. McMurry had an eye opening experience this weekend when they lose a game that they were ahead 6 to 0 pretty much halfway thru it. In order for them to be successful the team as whole is going to just have to play the game and the freshman are going to have to step up better. You cant use the excuse of being a young and inexperienced team now because you halfway thru the season and have had plenty of chances to grow up. Dakota Smith and Zach Hewitt have made good starts the past couple of weeks but the defense lets em down or the offense cant hit. I hope to see them sweep Shreiner because it is one of the series you should sweep. Going to be an interesting rest of the way for them.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on March 23, 2010, 09:00:20 AM
The numbers that TLU is putting up this year may actually be a little better than last year.  They can't match Macklin's numbers and HR's are down but if you look at position for position, they are beating production.  Green and Femath are hitting much better than last year (and they weren't bad last year).  Knokleby is better.  Childress has improved and Curtis is hitting way above Siniff.

Anyway, one thing to note is that 6-9 in the lineup are a marked improvement over last year.  They have two .400 hitters down in  the lineup.

Why is this happening?  I agree that Burnett has a lot to do with it.  They get the RKG's (Right Kind of Guys) and they get them to buy into the system.  Wait until you see a couple of kids he has as freshmen.  Remember the names Galloway and Lattimore.  I also think he has the next Steinert in the program.

SWBaseball3
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on March 23, 2010, 03:14:12 PM
Here is a question for all of you with massive baseball knowledge...if a batter bunts the ball and is hit outside of the batters box and called out...how is it officially scored?

Thanks for any insight.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ILVBB on March 23, 2010, 04:13:01 PM
It is an unassisted putout by the catcher
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on March 23, 2010, 05:16:44 PM
Quote from: ILVBB on March 23, 2010, 04:13:01 PM
It is an unassisted putout by the catcher

Sensei say, "Nice answer, Grasshopper."
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 23, 2010, 05:43:42 PM
Another question for you baseball guru's. Can I take off from tax season on Friday and Saturday to watch the Cru vs TLU??
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: RSSmith on March 23, 2010, 06:13:10 PM
Quote from: dp643 on March 23, 2010, 05:43:42 PM
Another question for you baseball guru's. Can I take off from tax season on Friday and Saturday to watch the Cru vs TLU??


Yes, but it won't be deductible.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ILVBB on March 23, 2010, 08:57:45 PM
Take a couple of business cards to the game; maybe a "peanuts soapbox" that says the "CPA is in" and then you can deduct the mileage as "business expense."
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigTex on March 23, 2010, 10:45:08 PM
McMurry had a great victory tonight against Trinity. It looked like they had a big inning where they had 8 consecutive singles and had a big seven run inning. Looks like the hitting is starting to come around because looking back at this past weekend the last two game McMurry was hitting the ball well. Still had some errors that need to be worked on because it did let Trinity back into the game but they were able to have a clutch hit to score bottom of the 8th to go up 11 to 10. Cory Davis had a great relief appearance tonight and in my opinion he looks better in tight situations than starting. Jeff Jackson had a great weekend and continued hitting well in this game and some of the other hitters are making progress. Hopefully this is a turn around for McM. http://www.mcmurrysports.com/news/2010/3/23/BSB_0323101627.aspx
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on March 24, 2010, 08:29:12 AM
OK boys...what's everyone thinking about this weekend?  TLU vs. MHB, HS vs. Concordia, SRU vs. HPU.  MCM should handle Schreiner pretty easily so Ralph, you should have an easy weekend!!

This is TLU's first away trip in about a month.  As stated earlier, it's impossible to pick against Orosey.  I think the player to watch this weekend for TLU is Madden on the bump.  It will be interesting to see what happens to Staggs.  Does he rebound?  Is Green OK and back in the lineup?  Prediction, TLU 2-1 and another series win.  I would bet that Burnett really gets the boys going to try to sweep.  We'll see...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigTex on March 24, 2010, 02:44:34 PM
I pick TLU to win the series if not sweep UMHB all depends on how the other two starters for TLU can pitch. Sul Ross 2-1 against HPU eventhough it will be interesting to see how they can recover after the they got shutout for the first time this year this past weekend. The HSU and Concordia series will be a toss up but I am going to go with Concordia because they have a little more moment after the series win against SRU.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 24, 2010, 04:36:11 PM
TLU 2 - UMHB 1 -- I think UMHB would be wise to save Hopper for the 7 inning game, and stop throwing Tapps A all-stars all together.
HSU 2 - CTX 1 -- With Hays still out I think the HSU offense overpowers CTX at some point.
HPU 2 - SR 1 -- I think Sul Ross is living in a tree. I think they have a handful of guys that can swing it, but still not much on the bump.
McM 2 - Schreiner 1 -- If they can steal one from HSU, they can steal one from McM.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 24, 2010, 05:34:40 PM
Pretty bold statement to call for a sweep of UMHB. Would be curious to hear the reasoning behind that one.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 24, 2010, 05:46:41 PM
Quote from: swbaseball3 on March 24, 2010, 08:29:12 AM
OK boys...what's everyone thinking about this weekend?  TLU vs. MHB, HS vs. Concordia, SRU vs. HPU.  MCM should handle Schreiner pretty easily so Ralph, you should have an easy weekend!!

This is TLU's first away trip in about a month.  As stated earlier, it's impossible to pick against Orosey.  I think the player to watch this weekend for TLU is Madden on the bump.  It will be interesting to see what happens to Staggs.  Does he rebound?  Is Green OK and back in the lineup?  Prediction, TLU 2-1 and another series win.  I would bet that Burnett really gets the boys going to try to sweep.  We'll see...

You win a third. You lose a third.  Everyone is fighting over the last third.

We let UMHB get away with one last weekend.  We need to make it up somewhere else.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Insider on March 24, 2010, 11:19:42 PM
McMurry finds itself in a rebuilding year after the loss of their power hitters (i.e. Tre Lips 12 HR, Stephen Derrick 9 HR, Weston Franco 7 HR) as well as some productive starters (i.e. Nathan Saltzgaber .359 avg, Nathan Love .359 avg, and Gerad Morris .358 svg). In Head Coach Byington's second year, many questions marks are still there, and McM is more than halfway through the season (9-13, 22 games).

On Tuesday verse Trinity (#25) everyone showed up to hit and it produced enough to slip by with a win. Defense seems to pull the team down every game with costly errors and poor two strike pitching that both seem to domino into little mistakes that produce big innings (3+ runs).

At this point in the season there seems to be a consistent 7 starters in the field (Dibiasi, Bell, Mullin, Jackson, Thompson, Falcone, and Saltzgaber (DH)). The other two positions (2B and 3B) seem to be in a rotation. My question to everyone is; is it normal to find this kind of rotation at this point in the year? Wouldn't you want to find that guy at those positions and see what he can do in a 5+ consistent game span?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on March 25, 2010, 09:03:52 AM
McM Insider poses a great question.  I have watched many levels of college ball for many years.  My first thought is, "College coaches are an interesting breed."  Better said, once they find a line-up, they stick with it.  A kid hits .243 and never comes out.  Another kid makes a potload of errors at a position and he stays.

That said, I find it interesting that a rotation is still going on in conference play...not because I don't think it's right but rather that college coaches tend to stick to certain kids.

I can tell you that I am watching over 30 kids nationwide.  Of those kids, many are playing but the ones who are sitting....are sitting...all the time.  Rotating players is a RARE deal irrespective of play (exception is catcher).  Who knows?  Superstition?  All coaches drink same medicine?  Look around, you'll see it's rare.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hatbaseball on March 25, 2010, 10:46:43 AM
Quote from: McM Insider on March 24, 2010, 11:19:42 PM
McMurry finds itself in a rebuilding year after the loss of their power hitters (i.e. Tre Lips 12 HR, Stephen Derrick 9 HR, Weston Franco 7 HR) as well as some productive starters (i.e. Nathan Saltzgaber .359 avg, Nathan Love .359 avg, and Gerad Morris .358 svg). In Head Coach Byington's second year, many questions marks are still there, and McM is more than halfway through the season (9-13, 22 games).

On Tuesday verse Trinity (#25) everyone showed up to hit and it produced enough to slip by with a win. Defense seems to pull the team down every game with costly errors and poor two strike pitching that both seem to domino into little mistakes that produce big innings (3+ runs).

At this point in the season there seems to be a consistent 7 starters in the field (Dibiasi, Bell, Mullin, Jackson, Thompson, Falcone, and Saltzgaber (DH)). The other two positions (2B and 3B) seem to be in a rotation. My question to everyone is; is it normal to find this kind of rotation at this point in the year? Wouldn't you want to find that guy at those positions and see what he can do in a 5+ consistent game span?

Agreed that the rotations at 2B and 3B have been a problem for McM all season.  Baker was actually doing a very good job at 2B, hitting well and playing good defense, but then was shifted to 3B where he struggled.  Perhaps putting him back at 2B full-time would clear up one of the problem positions.  As for 3B, it's a dilema.  My suggestion would be to try one of the 1st baseman (Thompson or Saltzgaber).  I know Saltzgaber struggled at 3B early last season but he did no worse defensively than what they've gotten so far this season and he will hit.  The other players so far this season have struggled defensively and at the plate.  Thompson is good enough defensively to handle either position and his hitting is starting to come around.  That would also free up the DH spot for one of the younger outfielders (perhaps Walding) that has hit okay be struggled in the field.

As for the pitching, I think solidifying the defense will go a long way to improving the pitching as well.  McM has struggled with giving up a LOT of runs after errors that have made major impacts on games.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigTex on March 25, 2010, 02:32:13 PM
I agree with what both of yall have said. Baker has done a good job at second and should've stayed there, but as far as third I dont think they know what to do. Nobody has just stood out or is consistent over there. Be interesting to see how the Head Coach will deal with this dilemma. If McM wants to make it to the postseason they are going to have to cut out the errors and quit giving games away.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on March 25, 2010, 09:45:45 PM
Great teams, at every level, are built on pitching and defense.  McM makes way too may errors.  That's something usually fixed in the off season and not mid year.  It will be interesting to see if they can make it out of that funk.

Looking around the conference, you see the leaders are also tops in defense...TLU (.968), UTT (.966) and MC (.964).  It probably comes as no surprise that those teams are a combined 52-16.

I did notice another thing about McM relative to the three aforementioned teams, they have walked almost as many as they have K'ed.  Not s good sign.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on March 26, 2010, 01:03:44 AM
2010 ASC Baseball Standings

http://www.ascsports.org/standings.aspx?standings=67
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 26, 2010, 10:44:39 AM
Why is McMurry listed at 2-3?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on March 26, 2010, 11:12:39 AM
http://www.ascsports.org/schedule.aspx?schedule=2274
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 26, 2010, 11:21:01 AM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on March 26, 2010, 11:12:39 AM
http://www.ascsports.org/schedule.aspx?schedule=2274
The league office does not have the second loss to UMHB listed.  Just an oversight.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on March 26, 2010, 04:06:53 PM
Orosey No-Hitter through 4, 6 K's.  0-0.  TLU/UMHB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 26, 2010, 05:55:57 PM
TLU Wins 3-2. Looked like some sloppy base running may have cost UMHB additional chances to get to Orosey (who looked outstanding in live stats). Chance Ryan got out of a few jams to keep the score close. UMHB has to sweep tomorrow to stay on par with TLU.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 26, 2010, 10:02:05 PM
McMurry up 7 - 3 over Scheiner  in the 6th
Hardin Simmons up 13-4 over Concordia in the 6th - Whiteley gave up 13 ER, including 8 in the first...
UTD Dallas up 4-3 over UT Tyler in the bottom of the 8th...Spinn just walked the bases loaded for Jones who's already homered though.

*Edit - Jones reaches on a 2 out error by the SS to the tie the game at 4-4

*Edit 2 - Tyler scores 4 more in the 8th to win 8-4...

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 26, 2010, 10:58:11 PM
HPU 5, at SRSU 2 tonight.  DH tomorrow

McM 7 Schreiner 3 Final

TLU 3 UMHB 2. 6-hit complete game for Orosey
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on March 27, 2010, 08:33:30 AM
Baseball is a funny game.  TLU gets 11 hits, leaves 12 runners on base and scores 3 runs.  UMHB gets 4 Texas Leaguers and they darn near won the game.  Orosey made one real  mistake to White in the 9th for the HR but other than that, it was all Orosey.

BTW, hats off to Andrew Femath for an unbelieveable play to end the game.  He turned a shot up the middle into a diving grab, a feed to Green for a game ending DP.  It was as good a play as you'll see.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on March 27, 2010, 08:37:41 AM
Quote from: dp643 on March 26, 2010, 05:55:57 PM
TLU Wins 3-2. Looked like some sloppy base running may have cost UMHB additional chances to get to Orosey (who looked outstanding in live stats). Chance Ryan got out of a few jams to keep the score close. UMHB has to sweep tomorrow to stay on par with TLU.

There was a nice pick at 2nd but I'm not sure I'd call it sloppy base running.  It was a good pick that didn't help the UMHB cause.  But then again, maybe one could call any pick sloppy baserunning.  I'll have to give that some thought!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 27, 2010, 09:12:38 AM
No you are right. I got clarification on one of the two to say it was just one of those things. Frederick read the ball in the dirt and the catcher picked it. Nothing you can do there. Thats one thing I hate about live stats. All you can see is "picked off".

I also heard that the last play of the game was incredible. Ball was smoked and a big league play was made. Sounds like TLU played some real good defense yesterday and Orosey was virtually unhittable.

Look forward to a couple of good games today too.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on March 27, 2010, 02:28:00 PM
It was a great play.  TLU is up 2-1 in the 5th right now with the bases loaded.  The CRU is hanging on a thread.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 27, 2010, 03:16:09 PM
McMurry is up 13-1 in the top of the fourth in Abilene.

Final McM 14-2.

Maldonado works 2 innings in relief (6th and 7th) of Dakota Smith.

Hermes got the loss for Schreiner
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 27, 2010, 03:30:57 PM
UMHB pulls it out 5-4 despite trying to give them game every way they possibly could that last inning.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 27, 2010, 04:35:26 PM
Semchenko starts Game #3 for McMurry.  Maybe McMurry can go with a Hewitt/Smith/ Semchenko rotation, if Chris has a good game today.  That would permit Cory Davis to move to the dugout.  McMurry has not found a third starter by now.

Semchenko has a 1-hitter thru 5 innings.  McMurry is batting in the bottom of the 5th, leading 10-0.

Semchenko has gone 6.0 innings and given up 2 hits.  McMurry leads 17-0.

Semchenko went 7.0 innings of shut-out 3-hit ball.

Final McM 18-1 for the sweep. Cory Davis pitched the 9th.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 27, 2010, 04:51:15 PM
UMHB Having another one of those error plagued games. Already 3 errors in the first three innings giving up 4 unearned runs already. 6-0 TLU going to the bottom of the 3rd
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 27, 2010, 05:48:15 PM
Frustrating isn't it, dp643.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 28, 2010, 12:04:46 AM
The West seems to be the most balanced that I can remember.

Here are the schedules for the rest of the season.

Texas Lutheran    6-3   19-7      SRSU, at SU, HSU, at CTXFavorite
Hardin-Simmons    6-3   12-11at HPU, SRSU, at TLU, at McMControls destiny
Sul Ross State    5-4   13-10at TLU, at HSU, McM, at UMHB      Has hard schedule ahead
McMurry    5-4   12-13at CTX, HPU, at SRSU, HSUBig series in Austin this weekend
Concordia    5-4   11-15McM, at UMHB, SU, TLUFavorable home schedule
Howard Payne    4-5   13-11HSU, at McM, UMHB, at SUFavorable home schedule
Mary Hardin-Baylor    4-5   12-13SU, CTX, at HPU, SRSUFavorable schedule
Schreiner    1-8   3-23at UMHB, TLU, at CTX, HPUHas key win over HSU
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on March 28, 2010, 05:59:07 PM
TLU certainly has to be the favorite with SR and HSU at home.  If they continue totake 2 out of 3 and sweep Schreiner, it's pretty much over.  Down the strectch they come....
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 28, 2010, 06:31:27 PM
Quote from: swbaseball3 on March 28, 2010, 05:59:07 PM
TLU certainly has to be the favorite with SR and HSU at home.  If they continue totake 2 out of 3 and sweep Schreiner, it's pretty much over.  Down the strectch they come....
I can imagine HSU sweeping HPU and SRSU.  If they beat TLU 2 out of three, then they have a one-plus game advantage over TLU going into the last weekend with McMurry.

Thru the first three weekends, 7 of the 8 teams are in the race for 4 playoff slots.

The ASC-West hosts the finals, and the top 2 teams in each division host the first weekend's games.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigTex on March 28, 2010, 10:39:47 PM
Things are just starting to get heated up. I dont know if HSU can sweep HPU and SRU just because of the fact they lost a game to SU. Looked like a good series this past weekend with TLU taking 2-1 to UMHB. Also looked like the HSU and Concordia series was a good one with 3 close games. Kind of a shock to see HPU take 2-1 against SRU but it happens. McM had a good series against SU eventhough it wasnt much of competition. Looks like McMurry has found a rotation with the starters (Hewitt, Smith, Semchenko) then two main guys out of the pen (Maldonado, Davis). McM bats have started turning things around and actually playing ball be interesting to see how the upcoming series against Concordia will be. Any news on if the Concordia's field is done? As of right now TLU has the upper hand in the conference after taking series against McM and UMHB. Going to be interesting rest of the way as usual.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on March 29, 2010, 11:22:07 AM
Here's the way I see it.  One would be foolish to bet against Orosey.  He's 18-1 in his college career and although we all know he will lose  eventually, he makes every series a MUST sweep on Saturday for the oppostion.

So, with Schreiner about a close to a sure sweep as there is, that leaves 9 games.  Orosey wins his three and that leaves 6 games.  HSU must sweep on Saturday at TLU and not falter at what is probably the hardest stretch down the line. at HPU,  at TLU and at McM and SR at home.   My bet...falter.

Changing subjects, if TLU can sweep SR this weekend at home, big time pressure for HSU to take 2 of 3 should they lose a game this weekend. Why?  CTX and McM...someone is going to lose ground quickly.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 29, 2010, 02:21:16 PM
Quote from: swbaseball3 on March 29, 2010, 11:22:07 AM
Here's the way I see it.  One would be foolish to bet against Orosey.  He's 18-1 in his college career and although we all know he will lose  eventually, he makes every series a MUST sweep on Saturday for the oppostion.

It's not Orosey I'd worry about, it's the TLU offense getting complacent under the assumption that Orosey is going to dominate every outing. It almost happened against UMHB this weekend.

Quote from: swbaseball3TLU certainly has to be the favorite with SR and HSU at home.  If they continue to take 2 out of 3 and sweep Schreiner, it's pretty much over.

Is TLU the favorite? Certainly, but there's too much season left in my opinion to start deeming it "pretty much over."

Winning the West would be big for TLU because there pitching depth could come back to haunt them against a team like Mississippi in the ASC tournament. The likelihood of an at-large bid after the weekend in Dallas is negligible especially if Trinity wins the SCAC. 

If I was talking to the TLU team heading into the next two weeks I'm letting them know that they can't be content with 2 out of 3 from SRSU or SU. HSU could certainly sweep both of their next two opponents as well.

I continue to be baffled by people that think SRSU is much improved or surprised HPU took 2 of 3. They're awful on the mound and they played a relatively soft schedule to start the year. Arrieta and Smith weren't going to hit .500 all year (though they've both been great).

When the dust settles I think you'll see the same 5 teams fighting for the 4 slots -- the same way we have the past 4-5 years: TLU, HSU, UMHB, McM & CTX.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigTex on March 29, 2010, 07:07:09 PM
I agree with Just Some Guy and I havent really paid attention to SRU schedule so thats why I was shocked bout HPU taking 2 out 3. I believe it will come down to the end like always and if teams want to insure they make it to the tourney then a big part of it is getting sweeps when you suppose to sweep at team.

On a side note I was looking at this past weekend with McM and came across that they didnt walk a single batter the entire weekend. Maybe things are starting to shape up over there. I hope so because it has been rough.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on March 29, 2010, 08:02:25 PM
Love the banter.  TLU goes 5 and 1 in the next week plus and it's a MUST sweep for HSU.  Agreed on SR.  Soft schedule but they did HAMMER UTT one game in Alpine.  Their pitching is very suspect with a 7.50+ ERA and TLU probably hammers that for three games.  SR could pull one out and might but if TLU is smart, they'll pitch around Arrietta and Smith in crucial moments and make some one else beat them.

Down the stretch they come....
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on March 30, 2010, 11:44:41 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 30, 2010, 11:30:32 PM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on March 30, 2010, 10:53:19 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 30, 2010, 10:17:12 PM
Who pitched for Mississippi College?

Craig Mackay started, Preston Necaise, Bubba Davis and Daniel Cowart relieved. Mackay has been a weekend starter most of the year after Brandon Martin went down but struggled for the second straight start after getting one out against UTD last weekend. Necaise and Davis haven't had a lot of work this year but have both pitched well. Cowart has been great all year but we were already buried when he came in, and he wasn't bad to be honest.

I'll say this about Millsaps, they barreled about everything they swung at.  Mackay actually beat them earlier this year with a good start but they roughed him up pretty good tonight.  I'm sure they were embarrassed after last weekend, and got after it tonight. MC had given up 47 earned runs in 196 innings, and gave up 18 earned runs tonight in six innings. We swung it well, but just couldn't slow them down at all. Humbling is probably the best way to describe tonight's game for the Choctaws.
We don't get much info from the sweeps of Schreiner (on the road) and Concordia (in Clinton) about how good Mississippi College is.

The UTT games (winning series at SRSU 2-1 series, winning the HSU series in Tyler 2-1, losing 2 each  to TLU and UMHB) make me think that UTT has not put it together yet.

I am trying to figure if Mississippi College has the pitching depth to go far in the tourney.  Pitching has been the weakness of the ASC in the NCAA's.

Ralph,
Thought I'd pull this over to this board to save the SCAC people from ASC discussion.

This is as good as MC has been probably since 2003, particularly with pitching depth, but things are not settled yet with a rotation. Tyler Seaman has had a great season and has wins over Huntingdon and UTD. Chris Ferriss has been very good all year. Terrell Prescott could be getting ready to move to the weekend and has a win over NAIA #16 Belhaven (5 innings 1 hit) to go along with 7 strong innings against UTD. He has put up Orosey type numbers in fewer innings (0.81 ERA   3-0   22.1 innings  15 hits   2 ER   4 BB  19 K   .188 b/avg), and we'll see how he does if he does move into the rotation.

Regarding pitching and the postseason, the depth question might be helped by Brandon Martin. He shut down Birmingham Southern early this year and was dominant. He could also move back into the rotation if he's 100%. He's thrown five scoreless innings since returning and is rebuilding arm strength after 5-6 weeks out. He would be a big addition if he comes back strong.

Brock Campbell and Daniel Cowart have been solid all year working the back half of games. Millsaps put runs up so fast tonight that neither could get into the game when it was still a contest.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 31, 2010, 12:04:03 AM
UT Tyler is finally making a move - improved to 20-7 and having won 10 straight including a weekend sweep of UTD. They are 8-0 in the East. The East will end up a two horse race with Mississipi College just like last year. The Patriots have a young team and had to virtually replace their entire team. Vilade has once again shown to be the top recruiter in the conference. The biggest question mark coming in this year was the pitching staff. They were rocky in the early season but now are settling in. The East is not as strong as the West once again but just like last year their top two are as good as anybody in the west.

TexasBB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Insider on March 31, 2010, 12:31:59 AM
McMurry (12-14) loses to Southwestern (11-17) today 19-12. McM threw 8 different pitchers, giving up 8 walks and 22 hits. This is a rather disappointing loss to a team who finally seemed to be on track. The intensity and competetive edge were missing from our side today, whether from showing up an hour prior, looking past our opponent, or a mixture of other intangibles, McM shot itself in the foot and gave the game away.

McMurry             200 002 062    12 13  0
Southwestern   004 013 47X    19 22  1

On another note, I am rather surprised that no one talks about Jake Mullin. This kid puts up numbers the way Arietta does for SRU. Mullin went 3-5 today with two homeruns. He is hitting .430, 6 HR, 23 RBI.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on March 31, 2010, 05:42:37 AM
Quote from: TexasBB on March 31, 2010, 12:04:03 AM
Vilade has once again shown to be the top recruiter in the conference.

TexasBB
No doubt they do a great job recruiting every year, and getting three of ETBU's best players has made this season so far. Cody Jones (.390, 7 HR, 31 RBI) has been their best bat all year, Chase Willard (6-0, 3.08 ERA, 49 1/3 innings) has been their best starter, and Matt Schimpf (2-0, 1.57 ERA, 23 innings) has been great out of the pen. To give an example of how big those additions were, the Tyler pitching staff ERA jumps from 5.83 to 7.36 without Willard and Schimpf. If you substitute those numbers back to ETBU for three of their worst guys with similiar innings, their team ERA drops from 9.03 to 6.40.

That's far from scientific but it gives an idea how much that changed the East division. Willard and Jones have put up similiar numbers to a year ago, but you have to give credit to Tyler for what they've done with Schimpf. He struggled as a starter at ETBU giving up 83 hits in 47 innings, but he has been dominant this year as a reliever.

MC's pitching staff was in a similiar position to Tyler, we only returned one proven pitcher from last year in Tyler Seaman. All of the other guys are new players.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on March 31, 2010, 08:56:24 AM
On another note, I am rather surprised that no one talks about Jake Mullin. This kid puts up numbers the way Arietta does for SRU. Mullin went 3-5 today with two homeruns. He is hitting .430, 6 HR, 23 RBI.
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There are a number of players that fall into this category, Mullin just happens to be one.  Not sure why.  Maybe, it's the guys on this board.  Hell, there's three kids at TLU hitting .400+ and they never get a mention.

How about the kid from ETBU leading the conference in hitting?  Heck, I can't even remember this name.  He's good, though.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 01, 2010, 02:22:24 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on March 29, 2010, 02:21:16 PM

It's not Orosey I'd worry about, it's the TLU offense getting complacent under the assumption that Orosey is going to dominate every outing. It almost happened against UMHB this weekend.


SRSU 2 - TLU 1 heading into the top of the 6th. (I believe of a 7 inning game)

SRSU's starting pitcher, Nathan Molina, entered the game with a 6.92 ERA w/ opponents hitting .336 against him.

There's still plenty of time left, but the start of this game and the Bulldogs results against U of Dallas indicate that they have trouble adjusting against this type of pitching.

*Update: SRSU 3 - TLU 2 headed into final inning.

Sul Ross adds a run on a 1 our sac fly to right. TLU answers on a 2 out double by Cody Miller scoring Darwin Lucero from first.

*Update 2: SRSU 3 - TLU 2 -- Final. Orosey's first loss on the season.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 01, 2010, 02:37:18 PM
I know I've harped on this before, and I know universities are doing the best they can with limited resources, but it drives me NUTS to watch a game with commentators who don't understand the game.

Case in point:
> He did NOT just hit and run with two strikes
> You can NOT take a full swing, make contact with the ball and be hit by a pitch - It was clearly fouled off his foot.
> The batter didn't place the ball anywhere. It doesn't exactly work like that.
> Chances are Lucas Garza is not starting next game consider he has 0 starts on the year. He's probably warming up to close just in case.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dbat on April 01, 2010, 03:36:30 PM
Wow! Well there you go, SRSU comes out and takes the first one.  TLU better come out these next two and play some serious ball.  Congrats SRSU you are making me eat my words about your program so far.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dbat on April 01, 2010, 03:41:20 PM
And yes, it sounds like the TLU announcers are students, but wow hopefully they will get better. Kind of annoying to listen to someone who sounds like they don't know a whole lot about baseball.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 01, 2010, 05:15:17 PM
UMHB loses game 1 to Schreiner 2-0. 2 unearned runs did the trick.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 01, 2010, 09:04:17 PM
Molina goes to 5-3 on the season for SRSU with his win over Orosey and TLU.

That is a big win for the Lobos in their quest to get a playoff bid.

Schreiner splits the DH with UMHB, a 2-0 win and a 6-2 loss.

That certainly tightens up the race.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 01, 2010, 09:15:32 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 28, 2010, 12:04:46 AM
The West seems to be the most balanced that I can remember.

Here are the schedules for the rest of the season.


#1 Hardin-Simmons         7-3**   13-11at HPU**, SRSU, at TLU, at McMControls destiny
#2 Texas Lutheran    7-4*   20-8      SRSU*, at SU, HSU, at CTXFavorite
#3 McMurry    6-4**   12-13at CTX**, HPU, at SRSU, HSUBig series in Austin this weekend
#4 Sul Ross State    6-5*   14-11at TLU*, at HSU, McM, at UMHB      Has hard schedule ahead


#5 Concordia     5-5**   11-15     McM**, at UMHB, SU, TLUFavorable home schedule
#6 Mary Hardin-Baylor    5-6*     12-13SU, CTX, at HPU, SRSUFavorable schedule
#7 Howard Payne    4-6**   13-12HSU**, at McM, UMHB, at SUFavorable home schedule
#8 Schreiner    2-9*   3-23at UMHB*, TLU, at CTX, HPUHas key win over HSU  and UMHB

(*) Updated thru the DH's of Apr 1st.  TLU and SRSU split as did UMHB and Schreiner.
(**)  HSU 23 HPU 0 today.  DH tomorrow.  McM 4 CTX 3 (10) DH tomorrow in Temple.
HSU is in first place by one-half game by my calculations.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on April 01, 2010, 10:43:55 PM
The TLU/SR game today was tough to watch.  The wind was blowing in at 30+ MPH.  SR got credited with 5 hits in game one but there was a questionable bobble that was called a hit.  TLU lined into 2 DP's.  Not a lot of hitting.  SR deserved the game and won it straight up.  Miller's ball was out of the park on any other day and that would have tied it up.  Baseball....

Game 2, Steinert was on his game.  Should have been a shutout but for 2 errors with 2 outs in the 2nd.

Femath was on fire today with 5 hits.  TLU pitvhing kept the bats of SR really at bay.

Assessment on the day...neither team hit well.  SR had 11 hits in 16 innings, TLU 18 hits in 15 innings.

Before the weekend, I was expecting 2-1 TLU but with a lot more hitting/scoring.  Tomorrow will be interesting.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 01, 2010, 10:57:47 PM
For Sully to make the playoffs, they had to get one game in Seguin to hold their position among the contenders for the "4th" bid.  The Lobos already should consider this a good road trip and a win tomorrow would just be "gravy".
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on April 01, 2010, 11:02:14 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 01, 2010, 10:57:47 PM
For Sully to make the playoffs, they had to get one game in Seguin to hold their position among the contenders for the "4th" bid.  The Lobos already should consider this a good road trip and a win tomorrow would just be "gravy".

Agreed.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 01, 2010, 11:13:36 PM
Quote from: swbaseball3 on April 01, 2010, 10:43:55 PM
The TLU/SR game today was tough to watch.  The wind was blowing in at 30+ MPH.  SR got credited with 5 hits in game one but there was a questionable bobble that was called a hit.  TLU lined into 2 DP's.  Not a lot of hitting.  SR deserved the game and won it straight up.  Miller's ball was out of the park on any other day and that would have tied it up.  Baseball....

Game 2, Steinert was on his game.  Should have been a shutout but for 2 errors with 2 outs in the 2nd.

Femath was on fire today with 5 hits.  TLU pitvhing kept the bats of SR really at bay.

Assessment on the day...neither team hit well.  SR had 11 hits in 16 innings, TLU 18 hits in 15 innings.

Before the weekend, I was expecting 2-1 TLU but with a lot more hitting/scoring.  Tomorrow will be interesting.

Yeah, that wind was bad.  So bad that it blew your typing finger off the "c" and onto the "v"!    :D   :D   ;D   ;)

Shades of Candlestick Park in San Francisco for the 1961 All-Star Game (http://articles.sfgate.com/2007-04-04/sports/17239368_1_all-star-game-blown-wind).
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 01, 2010, 11:30:11 PM
McM 4 CTX 3 (10)  (at Temple College in Temple.)

Cory Davis gets the win after 2 innings in relief.  Zack Hewitt had a quality 6-inning start for McM.

Ben Whiteley had a great outing for CTX. 8 2/3 innings, 3 runs 1 earned, no decision.  Jason Rangel gets the loss in relief.

Thanks to Kyle Robarts, McM SID, for the email updates.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 02, 2010, 12:03:43 AM
Here is the boxscore for the last 3 innings of the McM CTX game.

McMurry 8th - Beasley to 3b. Runnels to 2b. Yeager to 1b for Spelbring. Dibiasi grounded out to ss (2-2). De Leon reached on an error by p (1-1). Mullin walked (3-1); De Leon advanced to second. D. Saltzgabe reached on a fielder's choice, advanced to second on a throwing error by ss (1-2); Mullin out at second p to ss; De Leon scored on the error, unearned. Durst pinch ran for D. Saltzgabe. Jackson doubled to left field, RBI (0-0); Durst scored, unearned. Thompson lined out to ss (1-0). 2 runs, 1 hit, 2 errors, 1 LOB. 


Concordia Tornados 8th - Bogard flied out to rf (2-2). P. Smith singled, bunt (0-0). Beasley grounded into double play 2b to ss to 1b (2-2); P. Smith out on the play. 0 runs, 1 hit, 0 errors, 0 LOB. 


McMurry 9th - Bell singled to center field (0-0). Falcone grounded out to p, SAC (0-1); Bell advanced to second. Boswell pinch hit for Moench. Boswell struck out swinging (3-2). Dibiasi singled to left field, RBI (3-2); Bell scored. Rangel to p for Whiteley. De Leon flied out to lf (3-2). 1 run, 2 hits, 0 errors, 1 LOB. 


Concordia Tornados 9th - Baker to 2b for Boswell. Davis to p for Maldanado. R. Brown struck out looking (0-2). Maldonado struck out swinging, grounded out to c unassisted (2-2). Yeager lined out to ss (1-2). 0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 0 LOB. 


McMurry 10th - Durst to dh. Mullin grounded out to ss (1-0). Durst singled up the middle (0-2). Durst advanced to second on a wild pitch. Jackson walked (3-0). Johns to p for Rangel. Thompson reached on a fielder's choice (2-0); Jackson out at second 1b to ss; Durst advanced to third. Thompson advanced to second on a wild pitch; Durst scored on a wild pitch. Bell flied out to rf (1-2). 1 run, 1 hit, 0 errors, 1 LOB. 


Concordia Tornados 10th - Runnels struck out looking (0-2). Al. Carter walked (3-1). Woods pinch ran for Al. Carter. Pearce reached on a fielder's choice (1-1); Woods out at second 2b to ss. Pearce stole second. Bogard struck out swinging (2-2). 0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 1 LOB. 

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SandGnats on April 02, 2010, 09:47:34 AM
The error by CTX in the eighth that allowed De Leon to reach was a flip from the first baseman to Whiteley who was running over to cover the bag.  It looked like whiteley had it then bobbled it and lost it alltogether.  Tough break for CTX, but give McMurry credit for fighting back and taking advantage of their opportunities.

What a great start to the game we had with a solid pitcher's duel between Hewitt and Whiteley.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 02, 2010, 04:44:53 PM
TLU wins the rubber match 3-2 in 11 innings.

TLU: 3-10-1
SRSU: 2-8-0

WP: Tom Hembree

Chris Green's 2-out single scores pinch runner Daniel Harvey in the bottom of the 11th for the win.


JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 02, 2010, 04:48:39 PM
UMHB wins 9-6.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 02, 2010, 05:37:54 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 01, 2010, 09:15:32 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 28, 2010, 12:04:46 AM
The West seems to be the most balanced that I can remember.

Here are the schedules for the rest of the season.


#1 Hardin-Simmons         7-3**   13-11at HPU**, SRSU, at TLU, at McMControls destiny
#2 Texas Lutheran    8-4   21-8       at SU, HSU, at CTXFavorite
#3 McMurry    6-4**   12-13at CTX**, HPU, at SRSU, HSUBig series in Austin this weekend
#4T Sul Ross State    6-6   14-12 at HSU, McM, at UMHB      Has hard schedule ahead
#4T Concordia     5-5**   11-15     McM**, at UMHB, SU, TLUFavorable home schedule
#4T Mary Hardin-Baylor    6-6     13-13CTX, at HPU, SRSUFavorable schedule



#7 Howard Payne    4-6**   13-12HSU**, at McM, UMHB, at SUFavorable home schedule
#8 Schreiner    2-10   3-24TLU, at CTX, HPUHas key win over HSU  and UMHB

(*) Updated thru the DH's of Apr 1st.  TLU and SRSU split as did UMHB and Schreiner.
(**)  HSU 23 HPU 0 today.  DH tomorrow.  McM 4 CTX 3 (10) DH tomorrow in Temple.
HSU is in first place by one-half game by my calculations.

TLU and UMHB won single games today.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 02, 2010, 08:01:57 PM
Hardin Simmons completes the sweep of Howard Payne 8-5 and 10-6 to overtake TLU for first in the West.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 02, 2010, 08:42:50 PM
McM 8 CTX 5 in game 1

CTX 5 McM 4 in game 2
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 02, 2010, 08:47:26 PM
Here are the schedules for the rest of the season.


#1 Hardin-Simmons         9-3   15-11SRSU, at TLU, at McMControls destiny
#2 Texas Lutheran    8-4   21-8       at SU, HSU, at CTXPre-season Favorite
#3 McMurry    7-5   14-15HPU, at SRSU, HSUBig series in Austin this weekend; McM took 2 of 3.
#4T Sul Ross State    6-6   14-12 at HSU, McM, at UMHB      Has hard schedule ahead
#4T Concordia     6-6   13-17     at UMHB, SU, TLU    Favorable home schedule
#4T Mary Hardin-Baylor    6-6     14-14CTX, at HPU, SRSU    Favorable schedule



#7 Howard Payne             4-8   13-14      at McM, UMHB, at SU        Chance to gain ground in the next 2 weeks.
#8 Schreiner    2-10   3-24TLU, at CTX, HPUHas key win over HSU
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on April 03, 2010, 07:25:58 AM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on April 02, 2010, 04:44:53 PM
TLU wins the rubber match 3-2 in 11 innings.

TLU: 3-10-1
SRSU: 2-8-0

WP: Tom Hembree

Chris Green's 2-out single scores pinch runner Daniel Harvey in the bottom of the 11th for the win.


JSG


The wind this weekend was pretty crazy.  The advantage was definitely to the pitcher .  SR played very well.  The big knock by Childress was a bomb.  TLU had three consecutive innings with a runner on third to win it after that and finally cashed in in the 11th.


As for earlier comments onthis board about SR, here is my assessment.  They are not quite the hitting team that 5,000 foot above sea-level can make you but they are good.  Smith and Arrietta were held in check some by pitching and some by the wind.  Arrietta hit a ball that would have been 50 feet out of dead center without the wind.  Probably would have been 150 feet out of SR!


Their pitching was better than expected and therefore their pitching ERA is reflected by the light air in Alpine, too.


All-in-all, I would expect that SR will do what it takes to make the playoffs and they will certainly be a force to recon with.





Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 03, 2010, 02:19:45 PM
Quote from: swbaseball3 on April 03, 2010, 07:25:58 AM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on April 02, 2010, 04:44:53 PM
TLU wins the rubber match 3-2 in 11 innings.

TLU: 3-10-1
SRSU: 2-8-0

WP: Tom Hembree

Chris Green's 2-out single scores pinch runner Daniel Harvey in the bottom of the 11th for the win.


JSG


The wind this weekend was pretty crazy.  The advantage was definitely to the pitcher .  SR played very well.  The big knock by Childress was a bomb.  TLU had three consecutive innings with a runner on third to win it after that and finally cashed in in the 11th.


As for earlier comments onthis board about SR, here is my assessment.  They are not quite the hitting team that 5,000 foot above sea-level can make you but they are good.  Smith and Arrietta were held in check some by pitching and some by the wind.  Arrietta hit a ball that would have been 50 feet out of dead center without the wind.  Probably would have been 150 feet out of SR!


Their pitching was better than expected and therefore their pitching ERA is reflected by the light air in Alpine, too.


All-in-all, I would expect that SR will do what it takes to make the playoffs and they will certainly be a force to recon with.

Great post.  So the Sul Ross Lobos are the Colorado Rockies of the ASC!   ;)

I think that we have a real horse race for the last 3 weekends of the season.

(The top 2 teams host in the first weekend, and the ASC-West hosts this season.)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on April 03, 2010, 04:37:13 PM
An update from the East Division. MC completed a sweep of ETBU this weekend but needed a walkoff three-run homerun from pinch hitter Jacan Warren to win the last one 13-11 after trailing 11-7 after 6 1/2.

The pitching staff was roughed up this week, but the offense is starting to produce. Stuart Magee went 11-11 in the ETBU series with two homers, two doubles and 10 RBI from the 7-hole. The team batted .470 this weekend and is batting .407 over the last 11 games with 30 doubles, 34 stolen bases and 135 runs scored.

He hasn't been mentioned much but Bo Bell has put together another great season. He's batting .462 with 13 doubles, 7 homers and 37 RBI despite not seeing much to hit. He might see more with Shane Bennet swinging well behind him now, Bennett has driven in 19 in the last 11 games with 6 doubles, a couple homers, and .486 average. During those 11 games, 7 regulars in the lineup are batting over .400.

MC still trails Tyler though in the standings. It could be a huge weekend in a couple weeks, but MC can't look passed Ozarks this weekend or it won't mean much, especially with the series at Ozarks
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 05, 2010, 09:50:17 PM
at UT-Dallas 8, UT-Tyler 7 (non-division game)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 06, 2010, 07:09:33 PM
McM 5 UTD 4 (http://cometsports.utdallas.edu/news/2010/4/6/BSB_0406100553.aspx)

Hunter Lane gets the win; Cory Davis gets the save.

Mason Thompson gets the loss.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on April 07, 2010, 01:02:51 AM
TLU 22 Southwestern 10 in a non-division game.  TLU hits 3 home runs highlighted by a grand slam by DJ Haines.  Gamed ended after 8 innings due to lightning.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on April 07, 2010, 01:45:09 AM
MC lost 13-10 to NAIA #16 Belhaven tonight. Belhaven hit a 3-run homer in the ninth to win it. It was a good chance for MC to see some really good arms, Belhaven threw a couple of weekend starters and closed with a kid who was MS player of the year a couple years back.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: One More To Go on April 07, 2010, 04:28:15 PM
I find it interesting that CTX has been identified as having a "favorable home schedule" for the remainder of the season. According to my calculations, they are on a 70-game extended road trip. The last time they played "at home" was in April, 2008. Two classes of seniors (2009 and 2010) will graduate not having a field to call "home".
We are all hoping to get in one series at CTX's new "home" before the end of the 2010 season. The new facilities will be magnificent...it's just been real hard on the players for two full years not to have a real "home" with a student body in the stands for encouragement.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on April 07, 2010, 08:38:44 PM
Quote from: One More To Go on April 07, 2010, 04:28:15 PM
I find it interesting that CTX has been identified as having a "favorable home schedule" for the remainder of the season. According to my calculations, they are on a 70-game extended road trip. The last time they played "at home" was in April, 2008. Two classes of seniors (2009 and 2010) will graduate not having a field to call "home".
We are all hoping to get in one series at CTX's new "home" before the end of the 2010 season. The new facilities will be magnificent...it's just been real hard on the players for two full years not to have a real "home" with a student body in the stands for encouragement.

I have to admit that is funny!!  I was looking earlier this year and I did notice that they played games all over the place.  I was guessing that meant the field wasn't ready.  What gives?  I heard the field was awesome and that they were already playing there.  Guess not.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 07, 2010, 08:58:23 PM
Quote from: One More To Go on April 07, 2010, 04:28:15 PM
I find it interesting that CTX has been identified as having a "favorable home schedule" for the remainder of the season. According to my calculations, they are on a 70-game extended road trip. The last time they played "at home" was in April, 2008. Two classes of seniors (2009 and 2010) will graduate not having a field to call "home".
We are all hoping to get in one series at CTX's new "home" before the end of the 2010 season. The new facilities will be magnificent...it's just been real hard on the players for two full years not to have a real "home" with a student body in the stands for encouragement.
Quote from: swbaseball3 on April 07, 2010, 08:38:44 PM
Quote from: One More To Go on April 07, 2010, 04:28:15 PM
I find it interesting that CTX has been identified as having a "favorable home schedule" for the remainder of the season. According to my calculations, they are on a 70-game extended road trip. The last time they played "at home" was in April, 2008. Two classes of seniors (2009 and 2010) will graduate not having a field to call "home".
We are all hoping to get in one series at CTX's new "home" before the end of the 2010 season. The new facilities will be magnificent...it's just been real hard on the players for two full years not to have a real "home" with a student body in the stands for encouragement.

I have to admit that is funny!!  I was looking earlier this year and I did notice that they played games all over the place.  I was guessing that meant the field wasn't ready.  What gives?  I heard the field was awesome and that they were already playing there.  Guess not.
:D

Yeah, good point.  However, last at-bats is still a distinct advantage in a close playoff race.  ;)

I had assumed that the field would be ready when the press release came out earlier this year.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on April 08, 2010, 11:00:11 AM
All right, let's get the keys going.  HSU has a very difficult 2 weeks stretch with SR this weeekend and then a trip to TLU.  Curious as to what people are thinking about this weekend.  McM plays HPU and HSU plays SR.

It is hard to bet against a sweep by TLU over Schreiner so if MCM doesn't sweep, that's not good if you're a McM fan.  If SR plays like they did this past weekend, it won't surprise me if they take two from HSU.

Anyway, this is a BIG "move" weekend and a lot is on the line. Thoughts?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 08, 2010, 12:31:51 PM
Quote from: swbaseball3 on April 08, 2010, 11:00:11 AM
All right, let's get the keys going.  HSU has a very difficult 2 weeks stretch with SR this weekend and then a trip to TLU.  Curious as to what people are thinking about this weekend.  McM plays HPU and HSU plays SR.

It is hard to bet against a sweep by TLU over Schreiner so if MCM doesn't sweep, that's not good if you're a McM fan.  If SR plays like they did this past weekend, it won't surprise me if they take two from HSU.

Anyway, this is a BIG "move" weekend and a lot is on the line. Thoughts?
Okay, the big dramatic finish!

Here are the schedules for the rest of the season.


TeamCurrentProjectedSeasonOutcomesComments
#1 Hardin-Simmons         9-3   14-722-18SRSU 2-1, at TLU2-1, at McM 1-2Three big series
#2 Texas Lutheran    8-4   14-729-11       at SU 3-0, HSU 1-2, at CTX 2-1Need to check the tie-breaker
#3 McMurry    7-5   14-722-18HPU 3-0, at SRSU 2-1, HSU 2-1Big series in the final weekend
#4T Sul Ross State    6-6   9-1217-18 at HSU 1-2, McM 1-2, at UMHB 1-2     Has hard schedule ahead
#4T Concordia     6-6   12-919-20     at UMHB 2-1, SU 3-0, TLU 1-2    Favorable home schedule.  Shucks, it's a shorter bustrip than it is to the home games.  ;D
#4T Mary Hardin-Baylor    6-6     12-921-18CTX 1-2, at HPU 3-0, SRSU 2-1   Favorable schedule



#7 Howard Payne             4-8   6-1516-22      at McM, UMHB, at SU        Chance to gain ground in the next 2 weeks.
#8 Schreiner    2-10   3-184-33TLU, at CTX, HPUHas key win over HSU
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on April 09, 2010, 02:21:16 PM
As far as tie breakers for TLU, they have them all as of this moment.  They have gone 2-1 versus all of the teams behind them.  They play SU this weekend so I would be guseeing that they will continue that trend of winning series'.

I think it's going to be hard for HSU to take the series at TLU.  One reason is the wind.  It's 20-25 mph coming in for every game, it seems.  That tends to favor TLU as they play in it all the time.  With a 23-0 score last week in Brownwood, I'm guessing that there are fields with that wind blowing OUT.  Well not TLU.

Assuming that TLU takes care of business this weekend and HSU doesn't sweep (which they won't), it will be TLU/HSU in Seguin...pretty much for the marbles. Now, could both teams falter the final weekend, get swept and let someone sneak in?  Sure.  Not likely though.

One last notation....SR is way better than a 3-6 finish.  I believe it may be the opposite, 6-3 and that secures the playoffs, I believe.

Oh, and I love that optomism with McM going 7-2 in their last three weekends.  I would do the same.



Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 09, 2010, 03:03:43 PM
Quote from: swbaseball3 on April 09, 2010, 02:21:16 PM
As far as tie breakers for TLU, they have them all as of this moment.  They have gone 2-1 versus all of the teams behind them.  They play SU this weekend so I would be guseeing that they will continue that trend of winning series'.

I think it's going to be hard for HSU to take the series at TLU.  One reason is the wind.  It's 20-25 mph coming in for every game, it seems.  That tends to favor TLU as they play in it all the time.  With a 23-0 score last week in Brownwood, I'm guessing that there are fields with that wind blowing OUT.  Well not TLU.

Assuming that TLU takes care of business this weekend and HSU doesn't sweep (which they won't), it will be TLU/HSU in Seguin...pretty much for the marbles. Now, could both teams falter the final weekend, get swept and let someone sneak in?  Sure.  Not likely though.

One last notation....SR is way better than a 3-6 finish.  I believe it may be the opposite, 6-3 and that secures the playoffs, I believe.

Oh, and I love that optomism with McM going 7-2 in their last three weekends.  I would do the same.
The projection was for the possibility of a 3-way tie.  McMurry's going 7-2 would be one of those pennant stretch "get-'er-done" moments in an athlete's career.  McMurry would also need some help from HSU.

If that occurs as I projected, then the first tie-breaker would be 3-3 records among the 3 schools.  The next criterion is record against highest seeded team in descending order.

http://www.ascsports.org/sports/2007/10/19/ASCTIEBREAK.aspx?tab=tie-breakerprocedure

As for wind, the wind also blows in Abilene.   ;)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 09, 2010, 03:37:27 PM
Quote from: swbaseball3 on April 09, 2010, 02:21:16 PM

One last notation....SR is way better than a 3-6 finish.  I believe it may be the opposite, 6-3 and that secures the playoffs, I believe.


Count me in the camp that thinks Sul Ross won't make the playoffs. I think they're much closer to the 3-6 finish Ralph projects than the 6-3 finish you predict Jim, but I've been wrong before and it's bound to happen again one of these days.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on April 09, 2010, 05:13:08 PM
No worries.  All a guesstimation on my part.  Thyey haven't shown the ability in the past which is what one should go on.  My comments come from watching them a few weeks back.

BTW, TLU leading SU 5-4 in the bottom of the 8th.  Wind is howling in.  There's been about 12 hits total from the report I got just a few minutes back.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on April 09, 2010, 05:43:50 PM
TLU and SR 5-5 going into the 10th.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on April 09, 2010, 06:31:33 PM
MC blew an 11-3 lead at Ozarks today, lost 16-14.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 09, 2010, 08:34:26 PM
Quote from: swbaseball3 on April 09, 2010, 05:43:50 PM
TLU and SR 5-5 going into the 10th.
Schreiner 6, TLU 5 in 11 innings.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 09, 2010, 09:01:06 PM
Concordia 7 - UMHB 5 (http://www.cruathletics.com/custompages/baseball/2010/040710-a.htm)
UT Tyler 19 - La College 4
McMurry 7 - Howard Payne 2
Sul Ross 12 - Hardin Simmons 5 (8th) -- Arrieta 2 bombs, 5 RBI

Hardin Simmons rallying in the bottom of the 9th w/ 1 out. 12-8 bases juiced.

Make that 12-10, still one down. Runners on 1st & 3rd.

Stephens Ks, Weeks 2Bs down the line. 12-11, runners on 2nd & 3rd.

Garza closes it out. Sul Ross 12 - Hardin Simmons 11 (Final)


JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 09, 2010, 10:27:58 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on April 09, 2010, 09:01:06 PM
Concordia 7 - UMHB 5 (http://www.cruathletics.com/custompages/baseball/2010/040710-a.htm)
UT Tyler 19 - La College 4
McMurry 7 - Howard Payne 2  Hewitt gets the win. Maldonado in relief. Mullin's hitting streak is 14 games.
Sul Ross 12 - Hardin Simmons 5 (8th) -- Arrieta 2 bombs, 5 RBI


JSG
Whole lotta a shaking goin' on!  What a race!  Schreiner is the giant killer!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on April 09, 2010, 11:09:13 PM
As soon as you think you've got it figured out, baseball becomes baseball.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dbat on April 10, 2010, 09:54:26 AM
Wow what a wacky weekend.  Again it goes to show that some teams just can't be taken for granite.  All in all this weekend might be a momentum swing or killer for the top 6.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SandGnats on April 10, 2010, 10:19:14 AM
An amazing job by Ozarks so far this season.  To think they are in the playoff race after graduating their top two pitchers/hitters.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 10, 2010, 03:30:21 PM
McM 5, HPU 4.  Top of the 7th.  
Davis in for Dakota Smith.  Smith gave up 4 earned runs on 5 hits with 3 walks and 3 K's.

Top of the HPU 7th...  no runs, one hit, one man left on base.

Final McMurry 5 HPU 4.  Dakota Smith gets the win. Cory Davis, the save and Will Hood takes the loss for the Jackets.

Hood gave up 5 runs all earned, on 7 hits with 1 BB and 1 K in 6 innings.

The 9 inning game will follow.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on April 10, 2010, 04:38:04 PM
Ralph do you know who won the first MC-UO game this morning
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 10, 2010, 04:43:23 PM
Quote from: indian4life on April 10, 2010, 04:38:04 PM
Ralph do you know who won the first MC-UO game this morning

No, I don't.  It is 4-0 Ozarks in the bottom of the 4th in the current (2nd?) game.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on April 10, 2010, 04:49:40 PM
Yeah I saw that but was unsure i saw that mc was up 4-0 early in the first but the live stats went haywire on me....thanks for any updates you can give.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 10, 2010, 05:17:57 PM
Finals:

at HSU 8, SRSU 7 in the first game.

TLU 1, at SU 0 in the first game.  TLU won the 2nd game, too



at UMHB 8, CTX 2 in the 5th of the "Live Stats" game
at UMHB 9, CTX 2 in the UMHB 5th.
at UMHB 11, CTX 3 in the bottom of the 7th.
at UMHB 15, CTX 3 FINAL.

SRSU 0, at HSU 0 in the top of the 1st.
SRSU 3, at HSU 0 top of the 2nd
SRSU 4, at HSU 2 in the top of the 4th.
SRSU 4, at HSU 6 bottom of the 5th, HSU batting.
SRSU 4, at HSU 10 FINAL
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 10, 2010, 05:26:30 PM
game one was UMHB 6 Concordia 1. This is a huge game three for these two teams.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 10, 2010, 05:39:31 PM
McM 8, HPU 2, thru 6, on a single, double, SacFly, Sac Fly, double and single
in the McMurry bottom of the 6th.  3 runs, 4 hits 1 LOB.

#3 Starter Chris Semchenko is on the mound going to the 7th.

Beautiful weather in Abilene.

McM 8-2 at the 7th inning stretch.

HPU scores 2 in the top of the 8th. Semchenko is relieved by LHP Jordan Brown, who gets the third out by K.  McMurry 8-4 going to the bottom of the 8th.

[EDIT] McM Quarterback Jake Mullin (with his 16-game hitting streak intact) gets a SAC Fly to add a run in the bottom of the 8th.  McMurry 9-4.

[EDIT] Cory Davis comes in to get the last 2 outs as McMurry wins 9-7 and take the HPU series, 3-0. McMurry is now 10-5 in West and tied for second at worst.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on April 10, 2010, 05:54:36 PM
Quote from: indian4life on April 10, 2010, 04:49:40 PM
Yeah I saw that but was unsure i saw that mc was up 4-0 early in the first but the live stats went haywire on me....thanks for any updates you can give.

MC won 11-3 in the first game, and Bo Bell just tied up the second game at 4-4 with a homerun in the 8th.

Edit: Jarrod Cannette hit a 3-run homer to put MC up 7-4, still in the 8th. Ozarks led 4-0 and they have 14 hits already, so it's far from over.

Edit: MC won 7-4. Has to sweep UT-Tyler next week to be in position to win the division.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 10, 2010, 06:48:32 PM
UMHB Frogstomps Concordia in game 3 15-3. UMHB played today like I have expected them too all season. Good Defense, Good pitching, and Good hitting. Finally looked like they put it all together. This is a key series win for them. That virtually puts them 1 1/2 games ahead of Concordia since they own the tiebreaker.

Believe it or not, this is UMHB's first series win VS Concordia in Coach Well's tenure at UMHB. Today's win in the first game snapped a 7 game losing streak vs Concordia.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on April 10, 2010, 07:04:28 PM
Hey, is anyone starting to believe in SR yet?  Still a ways to go in the 3rd game and it's 1-1.  Again, history says they won't do it but they are much improved.  HSU is finding that at.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 10, 2010, 07:51:16 PM
Here are the schedules for the rest of the season.



#1 Hardin-Simmons         11-4   17-14at TLU, at McMControls destiny
#2T Texas Lutheran    10-5   24-9     HSU, at CTXPre-season Favorite. Won series over McMurry
#2T McMurry    10-5   18-15at SRSU, HSULosses are to UMHB (2), TLU (2), CTX(1)
#4 Mary Hardin-Baylor    8-7     16-16at HPU, SRSU    Favorable schedule. Can you imagine a four way tie for 1st?
#5T Sul Ross State    7-8   15-14McM, at UMHB      Has hard schedule ahead
#5T Concordia     7-8   14-19SU, TLU    Lost series to UMHB



#7 Howard Payne             4-11   15-17   UMHB, at SU        *
#8 Schreiner    3-12   5-27at CTX, HPUHas key win over UMHB, HSU and TLU
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigTex on April 10, 2010, 10:13:51 PM
Very interesting and exciting weekend. I have no idea what happened to the first game with TLU this weekend I guess they just came in with the wrong attitude. HSU found out the hard way it looked like that SR can play this year a lil bit. Good job to UMHB for getting a series win. Looks like McM is on a role right now playing good ball and starting to figure it out. Solid starts by the 3 starters for McM (hewitt, smith, semchenko) Hewitt pitched a heck of a game to start the series off right. Maldonado and Davis are doing their job out of the pen looks like Maldonado is setup guy while Davis is the closer...which he shouldve been all year in my opinion. If McM is ahead in the later innings going to be hard to beat them with Maldonado and Davis. Mullins is putting up his numbers like he should be as well the rest of the team is playing ball overall. Going to come down to the very end like always for all the marbles. Great next two weeks of ball coming up see who can control their destiny.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 11, 2010, 09:39:39 AM
UT Tyler is now 14-0 in the weak ASC East. They only need to win 1 out of 3 at Mississppi College to clinch their 5th ASC east crown.
The swept LC this weekend in Vilade's last home series (excluding playoffs) as head coach at UT Tyler. I still hpe that Stan gets the job and I am sure James has put in a good word for him. Stan has had a lot to do with the recruiting and has shown skill working with the pitching staff. He will need help in developing hitters as that was really where Vilade excelled. Villade spent a couple of summers as the hitting coach of the Frisco Roughriders.

Texas BB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on April 11, 2010, 03:37:33 PM
You have to give Tyler credit, they weren't playing well early this season and they could've dropped a couple ASC games. They came from behind twice to beat LeTourneau, and won close games with Ozarks and UTD when they still weren't clicking. Unlucky for MC that UTT lost twice to UTD, but both were midweek nonconference games.

Now they've won 17 of their last 18 and are hot. MC enters the weekend 5-3 in their last 8 games and have struggled on the mound a bit. Huge weekend for MC for two reasons. They have to sweep to have a chance at the Division, and they are still 25-4 in regional games and can't afford many, if any, more regular season losses if they hope to keep alive pool c chances.

Should be a good weekend.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on April 11, 2010, 08:27:26 PM
When UTT played TLU earlier this year, TLU walked away with 2 wins.  What was interesting is I walked away thinking TLU beat a very good team that just wasn't clicking.  Orosey went 10-innings to win 5-1 and TLU came back to win game two with 5 runs in the 8th.  Appears that my assessment was correct.

It will be fun to see the tourney with UTT has hot as they are.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 11, 2010, 10:13:17 PM
Joseph Villegas sets the career hits mark in the ASC. Congrats to him.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 11, 2010, 10:37:53 PM
ASC Hitter of the Year so far:

Jake Mullin - McM
Javier Arrietta - SRSU
Bo Bell - MC

ASC Pitcher of the Year so far:
Brad Orosey - TLU
Tyler Seaman - MC
Terrell Prescott - MC
Chase Willard - UTT

Others?

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 12, 2010, 07:53:44 AM
Add Villegas and Jared Hopper to that list too.

Conference games only Hopper has a 2.16 ERA and 2nd to Orosey in Strikeouts.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 12, 2010, 12:38:32 PM
Quote from: BigTex on April 10, 2010, 10:13:51 PM
Very interesting and exciting weekend. I have no idea what happened to the first game with TLU this weekend I guess they just came in with the wrong attitude. HSU found out the hard way it looked like that SR can play this year a lil bit. Good job to UMHB for getting a series win. Looks like McM is on a role right now playing good ball and starting to figure it out. Solid starts by the 3 starters for McM (hewitt, smith, semchenko) Hewitt pitched a heck of a game to start the series off right. Maldonado and Davis are doing their job out of the pen looks like Maldonado is setup guy while Davis is the closer...which he shouldve been all year in my opinion. If McM is ahead in the later innings going to be hard to beat them with Maldonado and Davis. Mullins is putting up his numbers like he should be as well the rest of the team is playing ball overall. Going to come down to the very end like always for all the marbles. Great next two weeks of ball coming up see who can control their destiny.

Maybe tax season is really getting to me, but I cant seem to find a Maldonado on McMurry stats as a pitcher. Are you referring to someone else?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 12, 2010, 12:42:36 PM
I think I figured it out. McMurry's site has Maldonado. ASCsports.org has it as a Paul Gonzalez??
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on April 12, 2010, 05:12:07 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on April 11, 2010, 10:37:53 PM
ASC Hitter of the Year so far:

Jake Mullin - McM
Javier Arrietta - SRSU
Bo Bell - MC

ASC Pitcher of the Year so far:
Brad Orosey - TLU
Tyler Seaman - MC
Terrell Prescott - MC
Chase Willard - UTT

Others?

JSG


Who's Berlin from HSU?  LETU has about 5 kids killing the ball.  Tomaszewski has pretty inceidible numbers.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on April 12, 2010, 06:08:30 PM
Quote from: swbaseball3 on April 12, 2010, 05:12:07 PM
Who's Berlin from HSU?  LETU has about 5 kids killing the ball.  Tomaszewski has pretty inceidible numbers.

I wouldn't like to be Coach Coleman when he picks HSU's nominee for player of the year. I honestly think any of four players could be it and that is a good thing to have.

Brian Weeks is a great leadoff hitter -- gets a lot of hits (54), scores runs (40), steals some bases (8-8), and has some pop five HRs, nine doubles five triples and 29 RBI.

LeJuan Edwards is a great story. He just turned 30 and had not played baseball in 11 years. He came in and struck out a lot early, but he is a hard out since shaking some of the rust. He has a hit in all but two games and he has just three strikeouts in his last 45 at-bats, after getting 16 in his first 54 at-bats. He can flat out fly as well. He has 12 doubles, five triples and 10 stolen bases.

Taylor Berlin is in the conversation as the best hitter in the conference. His numbers have improved each season at HSU. He struck out a lot early in his career, but he is eliminated that and he is going to smash the ASC season record for doubles. He has 22 already and the record is 25.

Everyone knows about Regan Dixon. He set HSU records with 16 HRs and 56 RBIs last year and after a slow start to this season he is in a groove. Hitting .389 with nine HR and 31 RBI.

Those four may be the best top four in the league and are the reason the Cowboys are in first place right now in the ASC West, despite inconsistent defense and starting pitching.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigTex on April 12, 2010, 07:45:27 PM
Yes Chris Maldonado is referred to as Paul Gonzales under the ascsports website. I have no idea why. What are everyones predictions for this upcoming weekend??
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on April 12, 2010, 08:00:35 PM
No one from TLU will get a whiff but they have 3-4 kids playing/hitting very well this year.  Knockleby might end his career at .380+ at the rate he's going.  Femath is a tough out and hit .405 two years ago and is going at a .400+ clip again this year.  Lucero is a pretty darn good hitter and hits in the clutch.  He's right at .400.

Anyway, I think the power numbers of guys like Leftwitch, Arrietta, Bell and others will over shadow any TLU guys.  Right now, it's Arrietta in my opinion.  A little because he's a very good hitter and a little because he's done it for several years now.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 12, 2010, 08:56:09 PM
There will be a new team joining the ASC East:

Quote from: crufootball on April 12, 2010, 05:01:58 PM
I feel like I am breaking a news story but the ASC officially has a new team, Centenary College.

http://www.gocentenary.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=17900&ATCLID=204927349
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 12, 2010, 11:00:56 PM
Only 1 team from ASC likely to get in the national tournament this year.  This is going to be similar to last year. Only the ASC tournament champion will likely get in. The rest of the teams have too many regional losses. I didn't like it last year and like it even less this year but see no likely change. Once again the ASC is too big and needs to break in two but instead is going in the other direction with a 16 team two division league. They really should be two 8 team leagues.

Texas BB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 13, 2010, 12:00:56 AM
Centenary joins the ASC.

Video links (http://www.ascsports.org/news/2010/4/9/GEN_0409100445.aspx) to comments by Dr Rowe, AD Tillich and Commissioner Carlton at the bottom.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigTex on April 13, 2010, 03:00:38 PM
Will the new University be playing in the ASC next year?......My predictions for this weekend are going to be McM 2-1 against SR, I would love to see HSU take 2-1 from TLU but it is going to be a task since its a home series for TLU. UMHB needs to sweep HPU but I am going to say they take 2-1 from HPU because home series for HPU. Concordia 3-0 against SU, they need to take care of business and not underestimate Schreiner.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on April 13, 2010, 04:33:36 PM
Quote from: BigTex on April 13, 2010, 03:00:38 PM
Will the new University be playing in the ASC next year?......My predictions for this weekend are going to be McM 2-1 against SR, I would love to see HSU take 2-1 from TLU but it is going to be a task since its a home series for TLU. UMHB needs to sweep HPU but I am going to say they take 2-1 from HPU because home series for HPU. Concordia 3-0 against SU, they need to take care of business and not underestimate Schreiner.

BTW, it appears that they will be but they will be ineligible for tournament play for a few years; like UTT and TLU several years before them.

As for this weekend, I think that TLU takes care of business and goes 2-1 over HSU.  I see SR as taking every game to the very last AB and winning 2-1 over McM.  Alpine....remember.  Concordia MUST take care of business.

If that's the case, going into the last weekend, here is the line:

1) TLU 12-6
2) HSU 12-6
3) McM 11-7
4) MHB 10-8
5) Concordia 10-8
6) SR 9-9
7) HPU 5-13
8) SU 3-15


Now, the crazy thing here is McM and HSU play The final series at Driggers. TLU goes to Concordia.  Tie breaker city if this weekend goes like I predict.


Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 13, 2010, 04:51:03 PM
Quote from: BigTex on April 13, 2010, 03:00:38 PM
Will the new University be playing in the ASC next year?......My predictions for this weekend are going to be McM 2-1 against SR, I would love to see HSU take 2-1 from TLU but it is going to be a task since its a home series for TLU. UMHB needs to sweep HPU but I am going to say they take 2-1 from HPU because home series for HPU. Concordia 3-0 against SU, they need to take care of business and not underestimate Schreiner.
Probably in 2011-12. The schedules that I have seen for 2010-11 for the Summit League still show Centenary playing D-1.

The advantage to drop Centenary from their obligation would be the travel savings not to come to Shreveport.  Look where the Summit League teams are located!

My question is ... who will be the travel partners?

MissColl/LaColl
Centenary/ETBU
LeTU/UTT
UTD/UOzarks.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on April 14, 2010, 07:56:24 AM
Centenary will step into the league and be a freight train the first couple of years.  They are a .500 Division 1 team matching up with the likes of LSU, Arkansas, TAMU and other powerhouses.  To be expected, many of their players will stay and they will be tough to beat.  For those old-timers, that is what TLU was like when they went from NAIA to Division III late in the 90's/early '00.

As Ralph mentioned, there will certainly be a year or two before the come into the league OR, they will come into the league and be ineligible for any post season.  it's probably 2011 and they will be ineligible for a few years.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 15, 2010, 09:23:13 AM
McMurry and Sully have moved their series up a day.

Single game on Thursday at 7 pm, and DH on Friday at 1pm, in Alpine.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 15, 2010, 11:03:32 AM
Quote from: swbaseball3 on April 14, 2010, 07:56:24 AM
Centenary will step into the league and be a freight train the first couple of years.  They are a .500 Division 1 team matching up with the likes of LSU, Arkansas, TAMU and other powerhouses.  To be expected, many of their players will stay and they will be tough to beat.  For those old-timers, that is what TLU was like when they went from NAIA to Division III late in the 90's/early '00.

As Ralph mentioned, there will certainly be a year or two before the come into the league OR, they will come into the league and be ineligible for any post season.  it's probably 2011 and they will be ineligible for a few years.

If you look at the prior example of a D1 team moving to D3 - Birmingham-Southern - their baseball team was rocked by departures as they moved.   They lost so many players that they didn't even field a team the first year after the transition was announced (2007).   Younger players will leave to play scholarship ball elsewhere, rising seniors might stick around since they're close to finishing a degree.

Regardless, it'll be interesting to watch. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on April 15, 2010, 10:28:31 PM
Sul Ross is putting it on McMurry 14-5 in the 8th.  Smith has 2 HR's and Arrietta has 4 hits.  Total hits for SR is 22 at this point.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on April 15, 2010, 10:34:07 PM
Game over...SR 14 - McM 5.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SandGnats on April 15, 2010, 11:36:11 PM
Sul Ross making things really interesting with the win tonight. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 15, 2010, 11:44:36 PM
Quote from: swbaseball3 on April 15, 2010, 10:34:07 PM
Game over...SR 14 - McM 5.

Pitching depth is hurting a young McMurry pitching staff.  SRSU got 8 runs in the bottom of the 8th to break open a 6-5 game.

McMurry got 5 good innings out of Sophomore Zach Hewitt before he must have hit a pitch limit.

I like the way that Coach Byington is building his staff.

I project Dakota Smith in the 7-inning game tomorrow and Chris Semchenko in the nightcap.

Cory Davis was not used tonight.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 16, 2010, 12:06:31 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 10, 2010, 07:51:16 PM
Here are the schedules for the rest of the season.



#1 Hardin-Simmons         11-4   17-14at TLU, at McMControls destiny
#2T Texas Lutheran    10-5   24-9     HSU, at CTXPre-season Favorite. Won series over McMurry
#3 McMurry    10-6   18-15at SRSU*, HSULosses are to UMHB (2), TLU (2), CTX(1)  SRSU (1)
#4 Mary Hardin-Baylor    8-7     16-16at HPU, SRSU    Favorable schedule. Can you imagine a four way tie for 1st?
#5 Sul Ross State    8-8   15-14McM*, at UMHB      Has hard schedule ahead
#6 Concordia     7-8   14-19SU, TLU    Lost series to UMHB



#7 Howard Payne             4-11   15-17   UMHB, at SU        *
#8 Schreiner    3-12   5-27at CTX, HPUHas key win over UMHB, HSU and TLU
* 04/15 -- Final SRSU 14, McM 5
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 16, 2010, 02:10:39 PM
"If you look at the prior example of a D1 team moving to D3 - Birmingham-Southern - their baseball team was rocked by departures as they moved.   They lost so many players that they didn't even field a team the first year after the transition was announced (2007).   Younger players will leave to play scholarship ball elsewhere, rising seniors might stick around since they're close to finishing a degree."

The above makes all the sense in the world. Loss of scholarships will cause most of the existing players to bolt to other programs. The team will likely have huge problems with recruiting as well. I would not expect them to be very competitive right away. New recruits will be looking at a program that will not being able to compete in the conference tournament for at least 2 years and possibly longer. Thus there will not be much of an incentive for good players to stay or good JUCO players to transfer in. They will have to build primarily with freshman and those JUCO transfers that don't care about post season play.

Texas BB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 16, 2010, 02:14:09 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on April 16, 2010, 02:10:39 PM
"If you look at the prior example of a D1 team moving to D3 - Birmingham-Southern - their baseball team was rocked by departures as they moved.   They lost so many players that they didn't even field a team the first year after the transition was announced (2007).   Younger players will leave to play scholarship ball elsewhere, rising seniors might stick around since they're close to finishing a degree."

The above makes all the sense in the world. Loss of scholarships will cause most of the existing players to bolt to other programs. The team will likely have huge problems with recruiting as well. I would not expect them to be very competitive right away. New recruits will be looking at a program that will not being able to compete in the conference tournament for at least 2 years and possibly longer. Thus there will not be much of an incentive for good players to stay or good JUCO players to transfer in. They will have to build primarily with freshman and those JUCO transfers that don't care about post season play.

Texas BB
The "holdover" benefit is the D1 facilities, if they are maintained correctly, as is the case at BSC.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on April 16, 2010, 03:47:06 PM
SR just got 7 runs in the 4th on two 3-run homers and lead 7-5.  It's another world out there in Alpine, I guarantee it.  SR is ultra confident and they swing the heck out of the bats.  McM had two guys on 2nd/3rd and I gets picked at second.

If SR pulls this off and the TLU/HSU series is canceled (which I hear is an option), it's McM vs. HSU, TLU vs. Concordia for the marbles.  What the heck is going to be the tie breaker if HSU/TLU don't play.

BTW, I would think there is NO WAY they would just bypass the series but rumor has it, that could very well happen.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on April 16, 2010, 04:14:29 PM
SR takes game 2 by the score of 9-6.  Dakota Smith with the loss.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 16, 2010, 04:30:48 PM
Quote from: swbaseball3 on April 16, 2010, 03:47:06 PM
SR just got 7 runs in the 4th on two 3-run homers and lead 7-5.  It's another world out there in Alpine, I guarantee it.  SR is ultra confident and they swing the heck out of the bats.  McM had two guys on 2nd/3rd and I gets picked at second.
If SR pulls this off and the TLU/HSU series is canceled (which I hear is an option), it's McM vs. HSU, TLU vs. Concordia for the marbles.  What the heck is going to be the tie breaker if HSU/TLU don't play.

BTW, I would think there is NO WAY they would just bypass the series but rumor has it, that could very well happen.
I hate it when a team runs itself out of the inning.  Yeah, there are times when you can try to make something happen, but runners on 2nd and 3rd with one out and meat of the order coming up?  NO!



Final McM 19 SRSU 5 in the 2nd game.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 16, 2010, 10:24:26 PM
CTX hosts SU for a single game on Saturday and the DH on Sunday.

HSU at TLU; DH on Saturday Sunday; the single game on Sunday has been canceled.

UMHB at HPU; DH on Saturday Monday, single game on Sunday.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 16, 2010, 10:27:54 PM
MC defeats UTT 7-3 behind 8 solid innings by Tyler Seaman who is now 8-0 on the season.  The Choctows need a sweep tomorrow to win the ASC East. (MC still has one series left as they are 10-2 while UTT is 14-1). Shane Bennet was the big hitter going 3 for 3 with a home run. Stuat McGee also had 3 hits for the Choctows.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 17, 2010, 11:17:05 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 16, 2010, 12:06:31 AM
Here are the schedules for the rest of the season.



#1 Hardin-Simmons         11-4   17-14at TLU, at McMControls destiny
#2T Texas Lutheran    10-5   24-9     HSU, at CTXPre-season Favorite. Won series over McMurry
#3 McMurry    11-7   19-17HSULosses are to UMHB (2), TLU (2), CTX(1)  SRSU (2)
#4 Mary Hardin-Baylor    8-7     16-16at HPU, SRSU    Favorable schedule. Can you imagine a four way tie for 1st?
#5T Sul Ross State    9-9   17-15 at UMHB      Season comes down to the UMHB series
#5T Concordia     8-8   15-19SU, TLU    Lost series to UMHB



#7 Howard Payne             4-11   15-17   UMHB, at SU        *
#8 Schreiner    3-13   5-28at CTX, HPUHas key win over UMHB, HSU and TLU
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 18, 2010, 12:48:24 AM
CTX 5 SU 2.  DH tomorrow.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on April 18, 2010, 08:51:45 AM
Good weekend for MC even though a sweep would have nice. They took 2 of 3 with two convincing wins and the third game could have gone either way. Tyler Clakley had a huge 3-run homer in the 9th to win the final game 11-8 after MC came back to tie it 8-8 in the 8th. MC put 4 runs on Chitwood, but he's one of the hardest throwers I've seen in the ASC.

The injury bug has hit MC lately with guys banged up. Early season #2 starter Brandon Martin has been out most of the year, but Terrell Prescott also wasn't available this weekend. Big loss considering he was leading the ASC in ERA entering the weekend, and MC still managed to take the series. Hopefully he'll be back healthy next weekend.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 18, 2010, 09:32:37 AM
UTT wins the East, but had to do it by winning the last game as MC took 2 out of 3. That is the Patriots 4th ASC East title in a row and 5 since Vilade began the program in 2004. UTT will host at least one series in the ASC championship. MC looked to be the better team overall but needing a sweep was just too much to ask for.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on April 18, 2010, 10:39:18 AM
Quote from: TexasBB on April 18, 2010, 09:32:37 AM
UTT wins the East, but had to do it by winning the last game as MC took 2 out of 3. That is the Patriots 4th ASC East title in a row and 5 since Vilade began the program in 2004. UTT will host at least one series in the ASC championship. MC looked to be the better team overall but needing a sweep was just too much to ask for.
Congrats to Tyler. That last game was a good one. MC kept putting pressure on them late in the game and they could have folded, but they kept answering with big hits. They put six runs on our closer in the last two innings and he's been very good all year, then the 9th inning homer was clutch.

Tyler can still swing the bat, and their arms at the end of the game are still good, especially Chitwood. They don't have the starters they usually have though. If they can get a few good starts in the postseasom they will be tough.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 18, 2010, 04:17:55 PM
TLU 8 - HSU 2 (http://www.tlubulldogs.com/custompages/tlu_baseball_ics/2010/hsubsb34.htm) - Game 1 Final. HSU threw their #3 in game 1.

UMHB 11 - HPU 2 - Final. A Sweep tomorrow would likely put UMHB in the playoffs barring a Sul Ross sweep during the final weekend.

TLU 7 - HSU 2 (http://www.tlubulldogs.com/custompages/tlu_baseball_ics/2010/hsubsb35.htm)

Steinart was very efficient. He's (apparently) threw less than 90 pitches through 8 innings.

The commentary is still embarrassingly bad. :/

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 18, 2010, 05:36:34 PM
CTX is playing a DH versus Schreiner at Tornado Field.  The series was scheduled to start at 11AM.  We don't have a score yet.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: str8 on April 18, 2010, 06:15:19 PM
Schreiner sweeps CTX today  6-4 and 4-3
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 18, 2010, 06:36:17 PM
Quote from: str8 on April 18, 2010, 06:15:19 PM
Schreiner sweeps CTX today  6-4 and 4-3
+1! str8!

I surmise that you are a Schreiner!  I am really glad to have you on the boards.   :)

Was that the opening series for CTX on their new field?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 18, 2010, 06:37:36 PM
Quote from: str8 on April 18, 2010, 06:15:19 PM
Schreiner sweeps CTX today  6-4 and 4-3

Looks like we're likely down to a 5 team race for the 4 playoff spots with the HSU vs. McM and the UMHB vs. SRSU series having huge implications. Not only is the 1 seed a big advantage because the West is hosting this year, but the East's #4 this year should be a pretty significant drop off from the likely 3, UT Dallas.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 18, 2010, 06:39:26 PM
JSG, I am confused about the TLU series.

Are they planning on playing the full three-game series?

Did the TLU SID err in using the word "cancel" for the game yesterday?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 18, 2010, 06:46:20 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 18, 2010, 06:39:26 PM
JSG, I am confused about the TLU series.

Are they planning on playing the full three-game series?

Did the TLU SID err in using the word "cancel" for the game yesterday?

I believe they're planning on playing the full three game series with the final game tomorrow, but I'm not knowledgeable about all the details.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: str8 on April 18, 2010, 06:51:16 PM
Yes this was the first series played at Tornado Field.  It's not quite complete yet, no electricity so the scoreboard was inoperative,  construction still going on, etc. ,but when it is finished the facilities will be second to none in the ASC
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on April 18, 2010, 07:57:43 PM
TLU swept the DH today and yes, they will play thew final game tomorrow.  At this rate, TLU has every tie breaker on every team ahead of them.  If TLU wins tomorrow, they will only need to win one game next week at CTX to wrap up the West.  Well, I guss it could be any combination of a win or a loss by both McM and HSU.

Now, if HSU wins tomorrow, TLU still has every tie breaker and they will just have to match the win total from HSU next week at McM.

Any way you cut it, TLU just put themselves squarely in the driver's seat, especially with HSU and McM playing next week.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigTex on April 18, 2010, 08:22:02 PM
I agree with you swbaseball3. TLU pretty much has the west sealed up and can def seal the west with a win tomorrow because if that is so HSU or McM would have to sweep either one and then have help from Concordia to get first. They way I look at it the 4 teams going to the tourney are going to be TLU, HSU, McM, UMHB. The seed will depend on who wins this next weekend. Im not counting out SR but they would need help. Concordia blew there chances by losing the series to Schreiner. Going to be an interesting last weekend especially if UMHB can sweep HPU tmrw.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigTex on April 18, 2010, 08:37:23 PM
As far as the east and what from I can get through the records Ozarks only hope to make the tourney is if they sweep ETBU and UTD takes the series from LC since both UTD and LC have the tie breaker over Ozarks. With that said I going to go with UTT, MC, UTD, LC in the tourney for the east. Not saying this is going to happen just going with what I think is logical for the east and west in my opinion.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 18, 2010, 09:05:08 PM
HSU has a 1/2 game lead on McMurry for second place, with at game at TLU tomorrow.  It will come down to the 3-game series at Driggers next week.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on April 19, 2010, 07:45:02 AM
Many moons ago, my old man and I had a talk about the National League West standings.  He is a "Loss Column" kind of guy.  His theory was always who has the most losses and what is the head-to -head after that.  So, with McM having 7 losses, for example, TLU doesn't have a 2 game lead on McM, they actually have a 2.5/3.0 game lead.  The logic is simple.  If they end up with the same record, TLU wins because of head-to-head.

That said, the ONLY chance McM has now is for TLU to lose 3 of their last four AND McM must sweep HSU.  HSU has it a little easier IF they can beat TLU today but if TLU wins today, HSU must sweep McM AND TLU must get swept at CTX.

With Steinert, Orosey, Staggs being a combined 20-4, it's really hard to imagine that happening.  Possible but a stretch.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 19, 2010, 08:13:32 AM
While we are talking about scenarios....if UMHB wins both at HPU today (big if)...and HSU loses to TLU...then there is a 3 way tie for 2nd place going into the last weekend with HSU owning the tiebreaker over UMHB, and UMHB owning the tiebreaker over MCM. It is still possible for UMHB to get as good as second place, or if they cant win 3 of their last 5 ballgames....be sitting at home in two weeks. Its going to be a fun finish.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 19, 2010, 09:48:21 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 18, 2010, 09:05:08 PM
HSU has a 1/2 game lead on McMurry for second place, with at game at TLU tomorrow.  It will come down to the 3-game series at Driggers next week.
My bad!  The series at Driggers is for hosting the first round game and not having to drive to Clinton MS!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 19, 2010, 10:57:12 AM
There are scenarios that could play out where McMurry is in the same boat as UMHB. They can finish as high as second or completely miss the playoffs all together. If UMHB wins both today, gets swept by Sul Ross, and McMurry gets swept by HSU...that puts UMHB at 11-10, McMurry at 11-10 and Sul Ross at 12-9 with UMHB holding the tiebreaker over McMurry.

McMurry could just as easily get 4th as well if they lose the series to HSU 2 of 3. Alot is at stake today and these next two weekends.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on April 19, 2010, 12:19:17 PM
Being a TLU guy, I didn't notice that it would be a 3-horse race if TLU wins and MHB wins.  That would be flipping crazy and could very well be the case.  Down the stretch gentlemen.

I think it is very well possible for MHB to win and one has to figure that TLU is very hungry to win today and really put a stranglehold on the west.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 19, 2010, 02:18:53 PM
UMHB up 4-0 going to bottom of 1st with HPU making two errors.

HSU up 2-0 going to bottom of 5 in Seguin.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 19, 2010, 02:19:04 PM
Hardin Simmons 5 - Texas Lutheran 3

Clay Childress hit 2 HRs for TLU & accounted for all 3 RBIs. He and Nokelby (3 hits) combinted for 5 of the 6 Bulldog hits. Darwin Lucero had the 6th.

Not sure how HSU scored their runs.

Commentary was infinitely better today.


JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 19, 2010, 03:11:51 PM
9-1 UMHB going to bottom of 4
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 19, 2010, 04:06:13 PM
UMHB wins 10-1 with one game left making the standings this (I believe)

TLU        12-6
HSU       12-6
McM       11-7
UMHB     10-7
SRSU      9-9

If UMHB can pull off the 3 game sweep and move to 11-7, it will pretty much mean everything is still in play next weekend for anyone to finish 1 through 5. TLU and HSU are clinched to be in the top 4 for sure though.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 19, 2010, 04:16:23 PM
For you tiebreaker guru's....

Say hypothetically UMHB wins game three today and takes 2 of 3 from SRSU putting that at 13-8. McMurry takes 2 of 3 from HSU and both McM and HSU finish 13-8 with HSU owning the tiebreaker over UMHB, UMHB owning over McM, and McM owning it over HSU. Common opponent records of 3-3 for all three teams. All went 1-2 vs TLU. What the heck happens then?

I believe it would go down to their records vs the highest finishing seed remaining? In this case most likely Sul Ross? That could put McMurry in 4th, UMHB in 3rd, and HSU in 2nd if Im not mistaken?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 19, 2010, 04:51:14 PM
Quote from: dp643 on April 19, 2010, 04:16:23 PM
For you tiebreaker guru's....

Say hypothetically UMHB wins game three today and takes 2 of 3 from SRSU putting that at 13-8. McMurry takes 2 of 3 from HSU and both McM and HSU finish 13-8 with HSU owning the tiebreaker over UMHB, UMHB owning over McM, and McM owning it over HSU. Common opponent records of 3-3 for all three teams. All went 1-2 vs TLU. What the heck happens then?

I believe it would go down to their records vs the highest finishing seed remaining? In this case most likely Sul Ross? That could put McMurry in 4th, UMHB in 3rd, and HSU in 2nd if Im not mistaken?

ASC Tie-breaker (http://www.ascsports.org/sports/2007/10/19/ASCTIEBREAK.aspx?tab=tie-breakerprocedure)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 19, 2010, 04:57:40 PM
So then if my scenario were to play out...McMurry could win 2 of 3 from HSU and still end up in 4th place?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hatbaseball on April 19, 2010, 06:16:39 PM
I suppose McMurry could mathematically still end up 1st with TLU winning no more than 1 and McM sweeping HSU, AND Sul Ross winning at least 1, but that's not going to happen.

Other than that wild scenario, the way see it right now, McMurry can finish 2nd by winning 2 of 3 from HSU and getting help from SRSU, or 4th (win 1 and they're locked).  If they go 0-3 they could still make it as 4th with but would need UMHB to win 2 of 3. 

I don't see any scenario's where MCM could end up 3rd at this point.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 19, 2010, 06:50:12 PM
TLU losing 2 of 3 to CTX is highly unlikely...but this has been a weird year, and I think anything can happen.

Live stats crapped out in the UMHB HPU game with UMHB having a 4-1 lead in the top of the 9th with 2 guys on and no outs and Villegas on deck.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 19, 2010, 07:09:05 PM
UMHB wins 7-2.

So the standings now read:

TLU           12-6
HSU          12-6
UMHB        11-7
McMurry    11-7
SRSU         9-9

Sul Ross is now on life support, but still controls their own destiny to make the tournament. One loss next weekend and its over unless Mcmurry gets swept.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on April 19, 2010, 09:23:22 PM
The key to this coming weekend is pretty simple, McM plays HSU.  I agree that the odds on TLU losing 2 out of three at CTX is very slim.

Bottom line is McM or HSU has to go for the sweep.  There will be a lot of scoreboard watching this weekend.  My guess is Orosey puts the pressure on with a win on Friday and the race is on.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 20, 2010, 10:43:21 AM
Congrats to Jarred Hopper for becoming UMHB's career leader in strikeouts (and is only a Junior). He is putting up some dang good numbers this year pretty quietly.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 20, 2010, 11:42:39 AM
Quote from: dp643 on April 20, 2010, 10:43:21 AM
Congrats to Jarred Hopper for becoming UMHB's career leader in strikeouts (and is only a Junior). He is putting up some dang good numbers this year pretty quietly.

Agreed. He's probably been the best starting pitcher in conference play. TLU's duo of Orosey and Steinart, MC's Seamen, McM's Semchenko, and UTD's Cameron Brown have all been very solid as well.

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on April 22, 2010, 12:40:06 AM
Not sure I can agree with the Hopper comment. Orosey has given up only 58 hits in 77 innings and he's punched out 91.  Add that to the fact that he's 9-1.  Even Seaman is giving up a hit per inning and he's not nearly the strikeout pitcher that Orosey is.

That said, Hooper has been fantastic.  I know he lost 3-2 to TLU in a great game.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 22, 2010, 10:22:23 AM
That was freshman Chance Ryan that lost 3-2 against Orosey. Hopper beat Steinert in game 2.

JSG was referencing conference play. Theres a valid argument there because he has been the best starting pitcher stat wise in conference only games.

http://ascsports.org/custompages/baseball/2010/lgconf.htm
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 22, 2010, 01:01:18 PM
Quote from: dp643 on April 22, 2010, 10:22:23 AM

JSG was referencing conference play. Theres a valid argument there because he has been the best starting pitcher stat wise in conference only games.

http://ascsports.org/custompages/baseball/2010/lgconf.htm

Precisely. Without question I think Orosey is the best pitcher in the ASC, probably the West Region. If I had one game to win I'd want him on the bump, but in conference play you can make a really good case for Hopper being the better starter with one weekend left.

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on April 22, 2010, 01:04:21 PM
Quote from: swbaseball3 on April 22, 2010, 12:40:06 AM
Not sure I can agree with the Hopper comment. Orosey has given up only 58 hits in 77 innings and he's punched out 91.  Add that to the fact that he's 9-1.  Even Seaman is giving up a hit per inning and he's not nearly the strikeout pitcher that Orosey is.

That said, Hooper has been fantastic.  I know he lost 3-2 to TLU in a great game.

Hopper's ERA is almost a full run better in ASC games (Hopper 4-1 1.88 / Orosey 4-1 2.70) which is significant. In Hopper's last three starts he's given up two earned runs on ten hits in 18 innings.  In Orosey's last three starts he has given up ten earned runs on 23 hits in 21 2/3 innings. That's not really fair to Orosey because Hopper has had an easier schedule the last few weeks,  but Hopper has been a little better in league play. Orosey is probably the regional pitcher of the year if it was picked today, but there is a good argument that Hopper has been the pitcher of the year in ASC West games.

Orosey does have better strikeout numbers overall than Seaman. But just for argument sake, they faced three common opponents this year in Schreiner, ETBU and UT-Tyler. In those starts:
Seaman  3-0, 3.00, 21 innings, 21 hits, 7 earned runs, 5 BB, 26 K's
Orosey   2-1, 2.78, 22 2/3 innings, 21 hits, 7 earned runs, 7 BB, 26 K's

They are all great pitchers, so you're splitting hairs to separate them. There is still a long way to go, but there could be a potential Orosey-Seaman matchup in a few weeks if both teams continue to play well.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 22, 2010, 01:27:15 PM
Hopper and Seaman had an awesome duel last year in the first round of the conference tourney in that night game. Im sure you remember that game Chris.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on April 22, 2010, 03:43:18 PM
Quote from: dp643 on April 22, 2010, 01:27:15 PM
Hopper and Seaman had an awesome duel last year in the first round of the conference tourney in that night game. Im sure you remember that game Chris.

MC won 3-2 and the score was 2-1 MC entering the ninth. UMHB tied it at 2-2 in the top of the inning, but MC won on a ball that everyone assumed was going to land on the covered batting cages, then the wind blew it fair and it landed in the corner. That's the only time I've seen Hopper and he was great. He gave up a 2-run bomb to Bo Bell in the 1st inning, then nothing. Struck out 10. Seaman struck out eight in eight innings.

I wouldn't want to see Hopper or Orosey early in the tournament, but I guess to win you have to beat somebody.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on April 22, 2010, 06:15:11 PM
All very fair statements by everyone.  Hopper has been fantastic.  That said, TLU has had a bullseye on it's back for the past 10 years so EVERY TEAM comes out gunning for them.  Not sure that Hopper has gotten that attention.

Tough to pick against an All-American who is 19-2 in his college career.  Remember, too, that Orosey is a sophomore while Seaman is a senior and Hooper a Junior...

One comment about Schrenier...maybe the worst umped game in college I have seen in 10 years.  The ump made Orosey literally put it on a tee for Schreiner.  Reminded me of playing at Univ of Texas and getting the lead.  That zone was about as big as a donut.

Ready for this....there is a very good chance that Seaman and Orosey could meet in the first game of the Conference Championship.  That would be big fun.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 23, 2010, 06:00:06 PM
Umhb wins vs sul Ross 6-3. Any tlu updates?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on April 24, 2010, 09:18:54 AM
TLU 10-3 over Concordia.  Orosey to 10-1.  Close game early with TLU pouring it on late to walk away with the game.  TLU would certainly like McM to win a game today but 22-7 doesn't leave much hope.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on April 24, 2010, 11:16:51 AM
MC swept LeTourneau yesterday 7-2, 12-4 to improve to 31-7, and I think 27-4 in region. Tyler Seaman is now 9-0 after allowing 2 earned runs on four hits in seven innings. He struck out seven.

After taking a quick look around the west region, Orosey and Seaman are probably running second and third for West Region Pitcher of the Year. Chapman's Brian Rauh would probably be considered the leader.


Player                       g-gs      era      w-l           sv         ip      h        r      er     bb     so    b/avg
Brian Rauh-Chap       13-6        2.08     7-0          4         52.0    29      12     12    15     57    .162
Brad Orosey-TLU     12-12        2.21     10-1        0         85.2     64     23     21     18     97    .209
Tyler Seaman-MC     11-11       2.67     9-0          0         67.1     66     30     20     20     67    .254
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 24, 2010, 03:01:33 PM
The final 4 are set for the west. Umhb beats srsu 15-0 behind a shutout from hopper. Game three next
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 24, 2010, 03:08:32 PM
TLU 4  - Concordia 3 - FINAL

McMurry is up 6 - 1 FINAL


JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 24, 2010, 03:38:04 PM
Man, it is a beee-yooo-ti-ful day in Abilene.

Dakota Smith is on the mound for McMurry.  McMurry is leading 6-1, runners on 1st and 3rd with one out in the bottom of the 6th..

HSU gets out of the inning with a 6-3 DP.
Dakota Smith gets the (7-inning) complete game with the 6-1 win in the first game.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 24, 2010, 03:50:58 PM
Texas Lutheran    14-6   
Hardin-Simmons    13-7   
Mary Hardin-Baylor    13-7
McMurry    12-8   

After Game #1 of the day's DH's.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 24, 2010, 04:02:06 PM
0-0 in belton after 3.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 24, 2010, 04:52:51 PM
1-0 after 6 sul Ross. Umhb has had runner on third twice with less than 2 outs with no runs
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 24, 2010, 04:59:32 PM
McMurry has chased HSU's Sam Walker from the mound on Greg Guse's 3-run HR in the bottom of the 3rd to give McMurry a 6-1 lead.  Blake Sieck relieves Walker.

Chris Semchenko is on the mound for McMurry.

McMurry has Matt Thompson up with the bases loaded in the bottom of the 3rd with 2 out.  Sieck gets Thompson to ground out.  McMurry leads 6-1.

Great defensive play by McMurry.  HSU runners on 1st and 2nd, no outs. Single to left field to Dibiasi who charges the single and then hits the cutoff man 3B DeLeon.  DeLeon then throws to the fielder covering second base (2B Greg Guse) who catches HSU's Berlin who had rounded second too far. Semchenko gets the strikeout (catcher to first) for the third out.

Great defense saved a HSU rally in the meat of the HSU order.  6-2 McMurry

Going to the bottom of the 5th, McMurry 6-3.

McMurry went up 8-3 with a runner on first and one out.  The wind had been blowing straight out to center field all day. Jake Mullin hits one deep to center, and the flag are lying limp.  The baseball gods did not help that one.  

Going to the 6th, McMurry 8-3.

Maldonado relieves Semchenko, McM leads 8-4 no one out with the bases loaded.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 24, 2010, 05:22:28 PM
End of 8, SRSU leads 1-0.

Bottom of the 9th SRSU leads 2-0 at Belton.  SRSU has only 2 hits in the game.

It's final.  SRSU wins 2-0.

UMHB finishes 13-8.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 24, 2010, 05:44:15 PM
Umhb misses out a chance to host in the first round. Arnett threw a 2 hitter. Umhb pitchers gave up 3 earned runs all weekend. On to Mississippi for the first round. Hsu gets 2nd and mcmurry 4th
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 24, 2010, 05:51:52 PM
HSU's Hiller gets a grand slam to tie the game at 8 with one out in the 6th.

McMurry goes to Cory Davis to close the game.
A big inning for HSU.  They leave the bases loaded in the 6th but score 6 runs to go ahead 9-8.


Top of the 8th, McM 12-9.

HSU's Regan Dixon hits a 3-run HR.  Tied at 12 to the bottom of the 8th.

Livestats is on the blink.

McM 14-12 going to the 9th.

With 2 out in the 9th, HSU's Edwards hits a 2-run HR to tie it at 14.

Jake Mullin gets his first hit of the day with a single.  Thompson singles.  C Jeff Jackson singles to lead the bases, no outs. Salzgaber SAC FLY to RF scores Mullin from third for the 15-14 win over HSU.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 24, 2010, 06:05:47 PM
Am I correct that with the umhb loss that the seeding is set

1. Tlu
2. Hsu
3. Umhb
4. Mcmurry
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 24, 2010, 06:11:36 PM
Quote from: dp643 on April 24, 2010, 06:05:47 PM
Am I correct that with the umhb loss that the seeding is set

1. Tlu
2. Hsu
3. Umhb
4. Mcmurry
Yes!

McMurry goes to Tyler.  UMHB to Clinton.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on April 25, 2010, 01:05:09 AM
TLU played very well today and in the second game, Madden comes up big after TLU was down 7-2.  Madden holds them to 1 run over the next 5 1/3 and gives TLU a chance to peck away.  Big HR's back-to-back from Femath and Nockleby and it was all TLU after that.

What a day around the conference!  What about UMHB!?!

Good luck to all next weekend.

Oh, to all of you who stood your ground on SR, you were right.],  They folded like a house of cards.  The TLU weekend must have been just a freak weekend.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 25, 2010, 01:24:00 AM
Quote from: swbaseball3 on April 25, 2010, 01:05:09 AM
TLU played very well today and in the second game, Madden comes up big after TLU was down 7-2.  Madden holds them to 1 run over the next 5 1/3 and gives TLU a chance to peck away.  Big HR's back-to-back from Femath and Nockleby and it was all TLU after that.

What a day around the conference!  What about UMHB!?!

Good luck to all next weekend.

Oh, to all of you who stood your ground on SR, you were right.],  They folded like a house of cards.  The TLU weekend must have been just a freak weekend.
Respectfully disagreeing, I think that SRSU had a great season.  The only break from form was Sully was letting HPU come to Alpine and win the series!  If they sweep HPU, they are still only 12-9 and 1 game out of the playoffs!

As balanced as we are in the West, you have to win the home series.  A sweep is gravy, on the road or at home, and a sweep is probably mandatory, if you are playing the #7 and #8 team in the conference!

Look at Sully's schedule.  That got no favors this year.

SU at home ... 3-0  (Who did not sweep Schreiner this year?  Everyone except McMurry and SRSU!)
CTX away.......1-2
HPU at home....1-2
TLU away........1-2
HSU away........1-2
McM at home....2-1
UMHB away......1-2
Total..............10-11

SRSU played three of the four playoff teams on the road!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 25, 2010, 02:07:18 AM
TLU caught McMurry, HSU, SRSU and HPU at home this year.

They beat McMurry and HSU 2 games to 1.

TLU's Orosey beats UMHB's Ryan in game 1 of the series.  UMHB's Hopper holds off TLU in game 2.

If I apply my theory of predicted outcomes to the TLU schedule, i.e., sweeping #7 and #8 and home team winning the series when playing #2-#6, I predict TLU's record should be 14-7.  The sweep of CTX gives you the title and a 15-6 record.  IMHO, the CTX series and taking 2 of 3 from UMHB in Belton are the key to the season.  Congratulations to TLU for winning the series that you needed to win.

HSU  (13-8) should have gone 14-7. The loss in Kerrville is the variation from "form", but note it is hard to sweep a team on their home field.

UMHB (13-8) should have defended home field against TLU, having lost the series to the Bulldogs. UMHB also lost a game at Schreiner.  The retro-spectroscope suggests that UMHB should have finished 15-6 and been the West #1 seed!

McMurry's 13-8 is right on.

The ASC-West is just brutal!  Every game is a battle.  You may have a blowout in one game of the series, but you have to struggle in every game to win.  Sweeps were very rare this season.

Perhaps the Division's balance means that you cannot anticipate a sweep of a #7 or a #8 on the road.  Two out of three at a Schreiner and/or HPU is the best that most teams do!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on April 25, 2010, 06:38:09 PM
Ralph...harken back to notes from a few wqeeks back, it was me that was picking SR and virtually everyone else that was the oposition.  So, I take no offense.  My statement was simply that SR had been playing well and in my opinion well enough to be in the playoffs.  From that day on, they stumbled.  I was going to the Dark Side with the others.

As Brian Kelly said to the ND football team when he tool over, "You're a 6-6 football team.  That's what you are and that ain't good."

To SR, I guess the same can be said...they are a 9-12 baseball team.  That's what they are.  Me, I know they are better.  One has to wonder what happened.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 26, 2010, 09:42:44 AM
Quote from: dp643 on April 19, 2010, 04:57:40 PM
So then if my scenario were to play out...McMurry could win 2 of 3 from HSU and still end up in 4th place?
Yeah, but we are City Champions!   ;)    :D
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 26, 2010, 09:54:17 AM
Quote from: swbaseball3 on April 25, 2010, 06:38:09 PM
Ralph...harken back to notes from a few wqeeks back, it was me that was picking SR and virtually everyone else that was the oposition.  So, I take no offense.  My statement was simply that SR had been playing well and in my opinion well enough to be in the playoffs.  From that day on, they stumbled.  I was going to the Dark Side with the others.

As Brian Kelly said to the ND football team when he tool over, "You're a 6-6 football team.  That's what you are and that ain't good."

To SR, I guess the same can be said...they are a 9-12 baseball team.  That's what they are.  Me, I know they are better.  One has to wonder what happened.
Thanks for the response.

I have reviewed SRSU's season one more time.

They swept 2 of 3 at Ozarks.  Quality wins, but that now is not as impressive as we had thought.

They beat UTT 1 of 3 at home.  That follows with the theory that it is hard to sweep a series on the road in the ASC.

Then they swpt Schreiner at home.  That is what they neede to do, and that was when they were catching your attention and mine.

The series that hurt them most was losing 2 of 3 at home to HPU.

Aside from that, they "pretty much" followed the formula, and finished conference at 10-11.  :)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 26, 2010, 10:11:25 AM
Sul Ross is improved defensively and offensively, but they will need some arms before they can make a serious playoff push.

I am real impressed by UMHB's 3 starters and how far they have come this season. For those of you who dont know they have a Freshman, Sophmore, and a Junior in the rotation and they have been very impressive in conference play.

In the last 9 games the pitchers have given up 18 runs. Thats pretty impressive. Only 3 ER given up in 3 games to Sul Ross in that time as well.

UMHB vs Mississippi College in the first round is going to be another fun matchup for the third year in a row.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SandGnats on April 26, 2010, 11:29:06 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 25, 2010, 01:24:00 AM
Quote from: swbaseball3 on April 25, 2010, 01:05:09 AM
TLU played very well today and in the second game, Madden comes up big after TLU was down 7-2.  Madden holds them to 1 run over the next 5 1/3 and gives TLU a chance to peck away.  Big HR's back-to-back from Femath and Nockleby and it was all TLU after that.

What a day around the conference!  What about UMHB!?!

Good luck to all next weekend.

Oh, to all of you who stood your ground on SR, you were right.],  They folded like a house of cards.  The TLU weekend must have been just a freak weekend.
Respectfully disagreeing, I think that SRSU had a great season.  The only break from form was Sully was letting HPU come to Alpine and win the series!  If they sweep HPU, they are still only 12-9 and 1 game out of the playoffs!

As balanced as we are in the West, you have to win the home series.  A sweep is gravy, on the road or at home, and a sweep is probably mandatory, if you are playing the #7 and #8 team in the conference!

Look at Sully's schedule.  That got no favors this year.

SU at home ... 3-0  (Who did not sweep Schreiner this year?  Everyone except McMurry and SRSU!)
CTX away.......1-2
HPU at home....1-2
TLU away........1-2
HSU away........1-2
McM at home....2-1
UMHB away......1-2
Total..............10-11

SRSU played three of the four playoff teams on the road!

And CTX.  They lost two of three to SU.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on April 26, 2010, 12:12:01 PM
The underlying message I keep hearing is that the ASC West is a tough road to hoe and getting a sweep is not an easy deal.  That is certainly evidenced by this year's season ending records.

You know what I think?  I think that teams ought to follow Shenandoah's rule and play 20 out of conference patsies and boost the record.  That way, you can finish 4th in your conference (2009), not win the conference chanpionship (2009) AND make the region tournament.

Crazy how the selection committe got snowed by that one!?!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 26, 2010, 01:26:28 PM
Quote from: swbaseball3 on April 26, 2010, 12:12:01 PM
The underlying message I keep hearing is that the ASC West is a tough road to hoe and getting a sweep is not an easy deal.  That is certainly evidenced by this year's season ending records.

You know what I think?  I think that teams ought to follow Shenandoah's rule and play 20 out of conference patsies and boost the record.  That way, you can finish 4th in your conference (2009), not win the conference chanpionship (2009) AND make the region tournament.

Crazy how the selection committe got snowed by that one!?!
The USA South changed their scheduling to permit that about 2 years ago.

We don't have anyone near us to play.  The SCAC starts division play about the same time that we do.

We need the 9 weekends to play the 7 conference series and the 2 crossover series.  That takes up 27 of the possible 40 dates.

Most coaches do play a mid-week game that takes up to 36 games.  Some of those may be D-III in-region.

We just need to be 2 separate conferences that have close working arrangements to fill dates.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on April 26, 2010, 10:34:44 PM
I've watched it happen the last two years at Shenandoah.  Maybe that's because I live 45 miles away.  BTW, check out Maine Presque Isle.  Shenandoah beats them 35-0 or something crazy like that.  Add that to Roanoke College and Eastern Mennonite...ugh.

Anyway, that hacks me off because Shenandoah would come to EITHER side of the ASC and finish 4th and not even make the championship as they would lose to whomever finished 1st in the ASC.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 26, 2010, 10:44:43 PM
Quote from: swbaseball3 on April 26, 2010, 10:34:44 PM
I've watched it happen the last two years at Shenandoah.  Maybe that's because I live 45 miles away.  BTW, check out Maine Presque Isle.  Shenandoah beats them 35-0 or something crazy like that.  Add that to Roanoke College and Eastern Mennonite...ugh.

Anyway, that hacks me off because Shenandoah would come to EITHER side of the ASC and finish 4th and not even make the championship as they would lose to whomever finished 1st in the ASC.
And who would get shipped to the West Regional!   ;)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 26, 2010, 11:48:25 PM
So Ralph, at the end of the day it appears the ASC will only get one invite. Call it a brutal schedule or call it a bunch of mediocre teams either way the result is the same.  I agree with you and that they need to split the conference so that at least 2 teams get invitations. The only other possibility is expanding the tournament to allow for more teams which unfortunetly is unlikely to occur any time soon. 

I am an east division fan and the east I must admit historically is not as ballanced. But there are good deserving teams in the east that over the years have won 25 plus games and even have been ranked in the DIII top 20 but have not received a bid.  The ASC has not fared well in the regionals with the teams that have made it. I am not sure anymore if our league is overrated or just underrepresented. Perhaps if more teams got in the chances would improve. I don't know but I sure am frustrated!!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on April 27, 2010, 12:15:25 AM
ASC gets short changed in the Regionals. Here are my views.

1) Base on the number teams in the ASC they should get 2 bids not one.
As mentioned before splitting the conference into 2 conferences could solve this issue. Conferences with less than 7 teams should not get AQ. Conferences with 7 to 12 should get 1 AQ and 13 and over 2 AQ based upon the ratios now 55 teams out of 359 this year(6.5 ratio)

2) The 2 rounds of playoffs I believe takes too much out of the teams before they even have played one regional game and could be a possible reason why they have not fared as well in recent regionals. One week instead of 2 weekends for a conference tourney with only 4 teams not 8.

I could be wrong with my statements but I throw this out for discussion purposes.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3baseballnut on April 27, 2010, 12:30:38 AM
One reason that i know has hurt UTTyler in the past, is that when you have a conference tournament, you must add 2 losses to any pool C eligibale team from your conference. If you are in the SCIAC, Redlands can win their last 10 games and be a pool C team since there is no tournament.

I believe this is a real disadvantage, especially considering:

1. How close the races are - 2 losses will turn the tables in terms of committee selections

2. The ASC tournament is organized so possible pool c teams could pick up 3 losses, instead of 2, if they lose a game in the first round. Even Mississippi college is not a shoe-in. If they lose 3 games, they are suddenly at 10 losses. UTTyler was left out in 2008 at 36-9, and Curry was left out in 2009 at 34-7 (ridiculous).

You really need under 5 losses headed into conf. tourny time to really be a lock.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 27, 2010, 09:21:58 AM
It is highly unlikely that we will have any team coming into the conference tournament with 5 or less losses given the schedule. UTT was accused of playing a patsy schedule a few years ago and have addded tougher opponents. The result is going to be a less impressive W-L ratio. So your damned if you do and damned if you don't. I like the idea of awarding 2 spots to conferences with 13 or more teams. Exspecially in the West where the teams are so spread out and you have to play non-division conference teams as your part of your "non-conference" schedule.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SandGnats on April 27, 2010, 09:51:07 AM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on April 27, 2010, 12:15:25 AM
ASC gets short changed in the Regionals. Here are my views.

1) Base on the number teams in the ASC they should get 2 bids not one.
As mentioned before splitting the conference into 2 conferences could solve this issue. Conferences with less than 7 teams should not get AQ. Conferences with 7 to 12 should get 1 AQ and 13 and over 2 AQ based upon the ratios now 55 teams out of 359 this year(6.5 ratio)

2) The 2 rounds of playoffs I believe takes too much out of the teams before they even have played one regional game and could be a possible reason why they have not fared as well in recent regionals. One week instead of 2 weekends for a conference tourney with only 4 teams not 8.

I could be wrong with my statements but I throw this out for discussion purposes.

The ASC will never split into two conferences.  Here's a few reasons why: 1) Not all sports have enough enough participation from the ASC schools to promote two separate conferences.  2) There are not enough football teams to make two conferences, which would severely hurt those left out of the side that has enough.  3) If you split the conference, the ASC would still remain, however the "new" conference would have to go through a waiting period for postseason qualification, which again would hurt those schools that left to start a new conference.

It's not an option.  There are no proponents for it around the ASC.  There are too many cons.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on April 27, 2010, 05:35:42 PM
Quote from: d3baseballnut on April 27, 2010, 12:30:38 AM
One reason that i know has hurt UTTyler in the past, is that when you have a conference tournament, you must add 2 losses to any pool C eligibale team from your conference. If you are in the SCIAC, Redlands can win their last 10 games and be a pool C team since there is no tournament.

I believe this is a real disadvantage, especially considering:

1. How close the races are - 2 losses will turn the tables in terms of committee selections

2. The ASC tournament is organized so possible pool c teams could pick up 3 losses, instead of 2, if they lose a game in the first round. Even Mississippi college is not a shoe-in. If they lose 3 games, they are suddenly at 10 losses. UTTyler was left out in 2008 at 36-9, and Curry was left out in 2009 at 34-7 (ridiculous).

You really need under 5 losses headed into conf. tourny time to really be a lock.

I agree that MC is not a shoe-in because nothing surprises me with the selection process guidelines anymore. But MC is 28-4 against Regional competition, have the 2nd most regional wins in the nation and the 8th fewest regional losses. The absolute worst they could finish is 28-6 or 30-7, which would be a strong resume.

With the extra 3 pool c bids this year, I think Tyler (26-9) and TLU (26-11) could find themselves closer to the bubble than MC should they not win the AQ.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on April 28, 2010, 09:07:24 AM
The selection committee only has 23 letters in their alphabet.  The missing three are T, L and U.  You can bet your house that if the Bulldogs don't win the conference that they are going home.  This year it might be deserved that they go home if they don't win but there have been years where they should have been a shoe-in.  Nope.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 28, 2010, 09:22:09 AM
Quote from: swbaseball3 on April 28, 2010, 09:07:24 AM
The selection committee only has 23 letters in their alphabet.  The missing three are T, L and U.  You can bet your house that if the Bulldogs don't win the conference that they are going home.  This year it might be deserved that they go home if they don't win but there have been years where they should have been a shoe-in.  Nope.

13 losses (which TLU would have if they don't win the ASC tourney) will have that effect.   ;)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 28, 2010, 09:42:01 AM
Quote from: swbaseball3 on April 28, 2010, 09:07:24 AM
The selection committee only has 23 letters in their alphabet.  The missing three are T, L and U.  You can bet your house that if the Bulldogs don't win the conference that they are going home.  This year it might be deserved that they go home if they don't win but there have been years where they should have been a shoe-in.  Nope.

This year I think they definitely have to win the ASC to get in. If you sweep U. Dallas and Schreiner like you should and you're 32-8 then I think you're right on the cusp if you lose in the ASC championship.

I believe only Hull and Nokelby made the trip with the '07 team so TLU might not be as battle tested as a team like Tyler if they get past McMurry in the 1st round.

When, in the last few years or so have TLU been royally screwed besides 03?

This thing is going to come down to arms and I don't know if anyone in the ASC really has the depth (maybe Mississippi). I think we might see some 16-14 games before it's all said and done the weekend after next.

JSG

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigTex on April 28, 2010, 09:33:40 PM
Its a shame that we cant have two teams from the ASC but if it didnt happen from past teams then I dont believe it will happen this year either. On the the first round of playoffs who do yall have going to the championship round? Any upsets or surprises?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 28, 2010, 10:54:44 PM
I have a weird feeling that UMHB and Miss. College will be a closer series than most will think. Both teams are very familiar with eachother. UMHB played and pitched very well down the stretch. If they continue to pitch and play good defense, I think this one could go down to the last inning of game 3.

I never make UMHB predictions, but Ill predict the outcome of the other 3 series.

HSU over Louisiana in 2
UTD upset over TLU in 3 (HSU hosts the 2nd round)
Tyler over McMurry in 2
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on April 29, 2010, 08:28:43 AM
Quote from: dp643 on April 28, 2010, 10:54:44 PM
I have a weird feeling that UMHB and Miss. College will be a closer series than most will think. Both teams are very familiar with eachother. UMHB played and pitched very well down the stretch. If they continue to pitch and play good defense, I think this one could go down to the last inning of game 3.

I just hope we have games because this weekend looks bad. We might be able to beat the rain with a game Friday, but Saturday and Sunday are both questionable.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 29, 2010, 08:44:00 AM
What happens, if for example, UMHB wins Friday night and the games Saturday and Sunday are rained out? Will they go all the way out to Monday?

Might be pretty similar to two years ago Chris with the scattered rain on Saturday and pulling the tarp about 20 times.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on April 29, 2010, 10:06:27 AM
Quote from: dp643 on April 29, 2010, 08:44:00 AM
What happens, if for example, UMHB wins Friday night and the games Saturday and Sunday are rained out? Will they go all the way out to Monday?

Might be pretty similar to two years ago Chris with the scattered rain on Saturday and pulling the tarp about 20 times.

It's my understanding that if we play on Friday we have until Sunday to conclude the series. I'm 90% sure that the Friday game has been moved up to 2:00 to beat the rain, I'm about to double check. But you're right, I could see the weekend similar to a few years ago where we are piecing innings together.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: yuckmonkey on April 29, 2010, 10:15:31 AM
Quote from: dp643 on April 28, 2010, 10:54:44 PM
I have a weird feeling that UMHB and Miss. College will be a closer series than most will think. Both teams are very familiar with eachother. UMHB played and pitched very well down the stretch. If they continue to pitch and play good defense, I think this one could go down to the last inning of game 3.

I never make UMHB predictions, but Ill predict the outcome of the other 3 series.

HSU over Louisiana in 2
UTD upset over TLU in 3 (HSU hosts the 2nd round)
Tyler over McMurry in 2

I have been lucky enough to see all of the playoff teams in action except LC and MC.  So here you go:

TLU over UTD, UTD does not have enough pitching
HSU over LC, not sure about pitching staff depth on HSU
MC over UMHB, best matchup by far, may come down to defense and that may be the CRU's downfall
UT over McM, playing for the coach but if McM gets to Willard and wins game one it could be a dogfight just like last year(upset???)


Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 29, 2010, 11:35:09 AM
What could be very interesting in the UMHB/MC series is the fact that theres a chance only one game gets completed.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on April 29, 2010, 11:42:46 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on April 28, 2010, 09:22:09 AM
Quote from: swbaseball3 on April 28, 2010, 09:07:24 AM
The selection committee only has 23 letters in their alphabet.  The missing three are T, L and U.  You can bet your house that if the Bulldogs don't win the conference that they are going home.  This year it might be deserved that they go home if they don't win but there have been years where they should have been a shoe-in.  Nope.

13 losses (which TLU would have if they don't win the ASC tourney) will have that effect.   ;)

A few years back, TLU was 37-6.....and your reasoning is?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on April 29, 2010, 11:44:54 AM
I'm on a roll.  In 2003, TLU was #1 in the nation for 14 weeks.  They were 28-0 or something like that.  Love to hear the logic of them not making the regions then?  I believe that was the year they went 36-4.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 29, 2010, 11:45:32 AM
Quote from: swbaseball3 on April 29, 2010, 11:42:46 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on April 28, 2010, 09:22:09 AM
Quote from: swbaseball3 on April 28, 2010, 09:07:24 AM
The selection committee only has 23 letters in their alphabet.  The missing three are T, L and U.  You can bet your house that if the Bulldogs don't win the conference that they are going home.  This year it might be deserved that they go home if they don't win but there have been years where they should have been a shoe-in.  Nope.

13 losses (which TLU would have if they don't win the ASC tourney) will have that effect.   ;)

But what was the in-region record?  Games versus Huston-Tillotson, other NAIA's, D-2's and non-region D'3 must be excluded for us to comprehend the thinking of the committee as it tries to follow the guidelines in the Handbook.

A few years back, TLU was 37-6.....and your reasoning is?
There were only three Pool C bids to give, not the 14 bids that we have under the most recent (not the new) March Madness D1 contract.

Here are the teams that earned the Pool C bids.

http://www.titans.uwosh.edu/NCAAChampionship/2003/Regionals/participants.html

Christopher Newport ( and I don't know whom they played as in-region games and other criteria)
Ripon
UW-Oshkosh.

Each of those schools can schedule good quality in-region D-III opponents that look good to the committee.

TLU picked up 2 in-region losses in the ASC Tourney, and did not even make it to the finals.  UTD lost 2 games on the last day of the ASC tourney to Mississippi College.

I believe that the NCAA was not counting games versus teams in the Administrative Region as in-region in 2003.

Here is the TLU schedule that year.  The non-conference, in-region games for TLU that year were Trinity (1-1) and Southwestern (2-0).

http://www.ascsports.org/custompages/baseball/2003/tlu.htm

I count the in-region record as 25-6 (24-4 going into the ASC Tourney). Games versus Huston-Tillotson, Prairie View A&M, Concordia Neb, UW-Stout,  St Olaf, Kansas Wesleyan and Doane did not count in the primary criteria viewed by the committee.

For that matter, TLU suffered losses to UTD and Miss College in the ASC Playoffs.  The East was stronger than the West.

We can thank the March Madness Contract for the money for the extra Pool C bids.  :)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: yuckmonkey on April 29, 2010, 11:50:11 AM
Quote from: dp643 on April 29, 2010, 11:35:09 AM
What could be very interesting in the UMHB/MC series is the fact that theres a chance only one game gets completed.

I was at the 2006 playoff series between McM(West 4 seed)? & MC(East 1 seed)? when they played on Friday and McM won and then it started raining, back and forth to the field on Saturday and Sunday but they did finish the series and it went to the third game.  I think they will do everything in their power to complete the series
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 29, 2010, 12:13:26 PM
Quote from: swbaseball3 on April 29, 2010, 11:42:46 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on April 28, 2010, 09:22:09 AM
Quote from: swbaseball3 on April 28, 2010, 09:07:24 AM
The selection committee only has 23 letters in their alphabet.  The missing three are T, L and U.  You can bet your house that if the Bulldogs don't win the conference that they are going home.  This year it might be deserved that they go home if they don't win but there have been years where they should have been a shoe-in.  Nope.

13 losses (which TLU would have if they don't win the ASC tourney) will have that effect.   ;)

A few years back, TLU was 37-6.....and your reasoning is?

My reasoning has nothing to do with the past, only the present.   Sorry you thought otherwise. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 29, 2010, 12:50:17 PM
I think Ralph is now on a roll after that explanation.

TLU hasnt been snubbed in recent history. And I dont count 7 years ago with only 3 Pool C bids being snubbed in recent history.

That being said, TLU wont get a Pool C this year either. Their only way in is to win the tournament.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on April 30, 2010, 10:10:28 AM
TLU doesn't deserve a look this year if they don't win it.  Absolutely agree but there is a LONG history that the selection committee looks the other way with respect to the ASC.  Any hopes of a bid for ANY TEAM outside the winner is a pipe dream.

That said, last year was an example with MC.  TLU has certainly been snubbed in past seasons.  That is my point.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 30, 2010, 10:33:03 AM
in 2008 the ASC had:

Concordia   30-16
McMurry      29-19
UT Tyler       36-9
Ozarks         32-11
UMHB           28-12

Talk about Teams beating up on eachother. 6 of UMHB's losses were to the other 4 teams. 5 of UT Tylers losses were to the other 4 teams. 7 of Concordia's losses were to the other 4 teams (and 3 to Houston Baptist). 5 of Ozarks losses were to the other 4 teams listed.

McMurry won the conference tourney that year, but take away how tough it is going through the ASC, and you can make an argument for 2 Pool C bids out of the 4 that got nothing.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on April 30, 2010, 10:44:22 AM
Quote from: swbaseball3 on April 28, 2010, 09:07:24 AM
The selection committee only has 23 letters in their alphabet.  The missing three are T, L and U.  You can bet your house that if the Bulldogs don't win the conference that they are going home.  This year it might be deserved that they go home if they don't win but there have been years where they should have been a shoe-in.  Nope.

There is a very easy reply to teams that are in Pool A...Be the Conference Champ. Win your conference tourney...

Win you chance on the field and do not leave it up to others to decide your fate....and dont blame them if you dont get there.WIN...

There are always teams that deserve Pool B and Pool C bids and dont get in

But every all of those teams had the opportunity to win it on the field and did not....Last year Pac Lu with 30+ win season was a Co-Champ in the NWC conference BUT LOST on the field in a 1 game playoff on the field with George Fox. This year they have the chance to win the NWC outright by beating Linfield 2 out of 3 this weekend. IF they dont win and dont get it maybe another 30+ win season with no playoffs

Because of the size and quality of teams in the ASC they should get 2 not 1 Pool A AQ but that is my viewpoint...Everyone knows at the start of the season what must be done to get to the regionals....

No matter what the number of teams are in Pool B and Pool C someone will always be unhappy that they stayed home and blame it on the committee's instead of the players and coaches on the field.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on April 30, 2010, 11:52:17 AM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on April 30, 2010, 10:44:22 AM
Quote from: swbaseball3 on April 28, 2010, 09:07:24 AM
The selection committee only has 23 letters in their alphabet.  The missing three are T, L and U.  You can bet your house that if the Bulldogs don't win the conference that they are going home.  This year it might be deserved that they go home if they don't win but there have been years where they should have been a shoe-in.  Nope.

There is a very easy reply to teams that are in Pool A...Be the Conference Champ. Win your conference tourney...

Win you chance on the field and do not leave it up to others to decide your fate....and dont blame them if you dont get there.WIN...

There are always teams that deserve Pool B and Pool C bids and dont get in

But every all of those teams had the opportunity to win it on the field and did not....Last year Pac Lu with 30+ win season was a Co-Champ in the NWC conference BUT LOST on the field in a 1 game playoff on the field with George Fox. This year they have the chance to win the NWC outright by beating Linfield 2 out of 3 this weekend. IF they dont win and dont get it maybe another 30+ win season with no playoffs

Because of the size and quality of teams in the ASC they should get 2 not 1 Pool A AQ but that is my viewpoint...Everyone knows at the start of the season what must be done to get to the regionals....

No matter what the number of teams are in Pool B and Pool C someone will always be unhappy that they stayed home and blame it on the committee's instead of the players and coaches on the field.

That sounds good but you might as well have a tournament of conference champs if that were the case. Often the pool c teams more deserve selection because they have played great for 40 games, rather than catching fire one weekend.

I certainly understand what you are saying and players have to approach it this way, but I don't think there is anything wrong with questioning the selection process. It is usually the avenue in which improvements are made to the process.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on April 30, 2010, 12:18:24 PM
I really wished there was a way to have Pool B/C not be decided by committee

How do you suggest to improve the selections for how Pool B/C are selected.

There always will be someone that does not agree with the team the committee selected. I also scratch my head at times when some teams are included and not included
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 30, 2010, 12:23:12 PM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on April 30, 2010, 12:18:24 PM
I really wished there was a way to have Pool B/C not be decided by committee

How do you suggest to improve the selections for how Pool B/C are selected.

There always will be someone that does not agree with the team the committee selected. I also scratch my head at times when some teams are included and not included
Yeah, and after one season of going with a computer program that generates the playoffs, we would be wanting the return to a "human-moderated" system that takes computer numbers and interprets them.   :D   ;)

The current ratio of 1 bid for every 6.5 teams puts the edge between Pool C and those who stay home at the right point to pressure everyone into playing great baseball at this time of the season.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on April 30, 2010, 02:55:44 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 30, 2010, 12:23:12 PM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on April 30, 2010, 12:18:24 PM
I really wished there was a way to have Pool B/C not be decided by committee

How do you suggest to improve the selections for how Pool B/C are selected.

There always will be someone that does not agree with the team the committee selected. I also scratch my head at times when some teams are included and not included
Yeah, and after one season of going with a computer program that generates the playoffs, we would be wanting the return to a "human-moderated" system that takes computer numbers and interprets them.   :D   ;)

The current ratio of 1 bid for every 6.5 teams puts the edge between Pool C and those who stay home at the right point to pressure everyone into playing great baseball at this time of the season.
Agreed...we already see the mess the BCS is with computers is....

To err is human, but to really foul things up you need a computer
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 30, 2010, 03:28:45 PM
TLU 7 - UTD 10 -- Top 6th

UTD made Orosey throw a lot of pitchers early. Couldn't tell if the slider wasn't as sharp as usual (watching online) or if the UTD hitters were just disciplined and staying off the outside slider off the plate. After the grand slam he had no control.

Orosey lifted in the 4th for Sean Madden.

5 runs on 6 hits in the bottom of the 6th off of a 2 run HR from Childress, 2 run double from Curtis and 1 RBI triple from Chris Green. UTD starter Prestridge just lifted.

UTD gets runners on 2nd and 3rd with no outs in the top of the 7th and TLU gets out of it unscathed. Potentially turning into a good game...


UMHB 7 - MC 6 - Bot 7th - But MC threatening with the bases loaded.

MC:
Chase Herrin 3-3, 2 runs
Stuart Magee 2-3, 3 RBI

UMHB:
Joseph Villegas 2-3, 1 run
Andrew White 2-3, 1 runs, 2 RBI

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 30, 2010, 03:58:55 PM
McMurry at UTT tonight at 6pm.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 30, 2010, 04:09:21 PM
Wow!  MC is getting to UMHB's Jared Hopper; 2 in the first; 3 in the 3rd!  MC leads 5-2

Seaman was tagged for 2 in the top of the first.

Thanks for the updates JSG!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 30, 2010, 04:32:40 PM
5-4 going to bottom of 5.

Hopper looks to be falling behind batters. Hopefully he can start working ahead soon.

This game is huge because the weather is not looking promising for the next 2 days in Clinton.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 30, 2010, 05:02:49 PM
7-6 UMHB top of 7

TLU down 10-7?? It was 10-2 last I saw. Did Orosey start?

Update: MC has bases loaded no outs in bottom of 7
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 30, 2010, 05:14:58 PM
Quote from: dp643 on April 30, 2010, 05:02:49 PM
7-6 UMHB top of 7

TLU down 10-7?? It was 10-2 last I saw. Did Orosey start?

Update: MC has bases loaded no outs in bottom of 7

Orosey started. See above. Can't get live stats to work to give you a line though.

He was really struggling with his command, and gave up a 2 out grand slam to 8-role hitter Matt Kelly early.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 30, 2010, 05:19:04 PM
10-7 Miss College. Still hitting
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 30, 2010, 05:39:03 PM
TLU 13 - UTD 10 -- Final

TLU: 13 - 19 -2
UTD: 10 - 11 - 2

WP: Patrick Pederson (1-0)
S: Tom Hembree (6th)

UTD made Orosey throw a lot of pitchers early. Couldn't tell if the slider wasn't as sharp as usual (watching online) or if the UTD hitters were just disciplined and staying off the outside slider off the plate. After the grand slam he seemed to lose all command.

Orosey lifted in the 4th for Sean Madden.

TLU scores 5 runs on 6 hits in the bottom of the 6th off of a 2 run HR from Childress, 2 run double from Curtis and 1 RBI triple from Chris Green. UTD starter Prestridge just lifted.

UTD gets runners on 2nd and 3rd with no outs in the top of the 7th and TLU gets out of it unscathed. Potentially turning into a good game...

Bottom 8: UTD closer Adam Spinn is in. Femath triples in Chris Green to tie the game 10-10. Nokelby (4-4) doubles home Femath to put the Bulldogs up 11-10.

After Nokelby's 2B I lost the feed, live stats has been down the whole game.

Hembree induces game ending double play in the top of the 9th for the save.


MC 15 - UMHB 7 - Fiinal

MC:
Chase Herrin 5-6, 3 runs, 2 RBI
Stuart Magee 4-5, 2 runs, 5 RBI
Brannon Walls 3-5, 2 runs, 1 RBI

UMHB:
Joseph Villegas 2-4, 1 run
Andrew White 2-5, 1 runs, 2 RBI
Josh Fredrick 2-4, 2 RBI

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 30, 2010, 06:09:28 PM
Rain showers in Tyler!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 30, 2010, 08:56:38 PM
FINAL

McM 000 100 000 = 1  Semchenko relieved by Maldonado with runner on second a 1 out in the 8th.
UTT  001 002 02x = 5  Schimpf in relief of Sparks in the 8th and gets the save.


Semchenko gave up 5 runs on 8 hits in 7.1 innings.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 30, 2010, 09:20:48 PM
Hardin Simmons leading LA College 9-3 in the bottom of the 8th.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on May 01, 2010, 10:02:46 AM
TLU storms, and I mean STORMS back from a 9 run deficit to win 13-10.  Orosey started and it was not a good day.  Kid hit grand slam in 3rd that was hit about 100 mph.  Madden came in and did a LOT bettr job than the books showed.  He gave up 4 chink infield basehits but that's baseball.

It the 5th, TLU gets an HR from McGill to make it 10-2 and it was kind of weird, UT Dallas started to worry.  Scrambled the bullpen as if it was 10-9.  From there, TLU absolutely killed the baseball and the tide turned.

Biggest play of game in my opinion was when Green took a 3-1 pitch and thought he walked.  Ump called strike and UTD was all over Green.  Next pitch hit the wall in LCF for a triple and two runs scored.

As for Peterson, getting out of 2nd and 3rd with no outs was huge.  UTD was shot at that point.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on May 01, 2010, 01:03:05 PM
Miss 11 - UMHB 3 - FINAL.

TLU 7 - UTD 6 - FINAL.

Tyler 13 - McM 9 - Final.

HSU 5 - La College 4 - Final.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on May 01, 2010, 01:51:50 PM
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Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 01, 2010, 07:14:33 PM
Final -- UTT 14, McM 9.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on May 01, 2010, 08:40:47 PM
Sorry about the livestat confusion. HSU actually won 5-4. The stat program didn't like HSU being the visitor in a "home" game. Sam Walker went the distance to improve to 7-2.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 01, 2010, 08:44:54 PM
Quote from: hsusid on May 01, 2010, 08:40:47 PM
Sorry about the livestat confusion. HSU actually won 5-4. The stat program didn't like HSU being the visitor in a "home" game. Sam Walker went the distance to improve to 7-2.
That makes more sense.

Thanks and congratulations.  Good luck next weekend.

Each series went 2-0.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on May 02, 2010, 06:37:35 PM
Love to hear the thoughts about this coming weekend.  MC has traditionally played much differently on the road than they do at home.  Their last visit to Seguin resulted in a TLU sweep with about 100 runs being scored in three games.  I believe one game was 17-15.

UT-Tyler seems to be giving up a ton of runs.  Orosey got hammered this weekend.  Seaman gave up some crazy amount of hits and was losing in the 7th.  Could be a crazy weekend.  Does HSU have a shot?

Chime in.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 02, 2010, 10:32:52 PM
Congrats to the final 4 who will play for all the marbles this weekend.

I think Mississippi College and TLU have to be the favorites because of pitching depth. Orosey vs Seaman game one could be very interesting. The winner of this game I predict will win the whole thing.

I see it as follows:

MC over TLU
UTT over HSU

TLU over HSU
MC over UTT

TLU over UTT

MC over TLU

Ive been wrong alot this year so take that with a grain of salt!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on May 02, 2010, 10:55:44 PM
I have given this some thought and I think Orosey comes out of his shoes and wins game #1 versus MC.  UTT downs HSU and the game to watch is UTT vs. TLU.

In two games earlier this year, TLU swept UTT at Tyler.  So, one has to give the edge to TLU.  That doesn't mean by any stretch that UTT can't win, it's just that Steinert has been very effective this year and he's learned to pitch through adversity.

The million dollar question is can Staggs, Madden, Peterson and Hembree win game 3 or 4?  I'm not sure what the 3rd/4th starter for any of the other teams bring to the table but I think the depth of the TLU staff plays out with Peterson and Madden surprising everyone.

Let's play ball.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: yuckmonkey on May 03, 2010, 12:16:10 PM
Quote from: dp643 on May 02, 2010, 10:32:52 PM
Congrats to the final 4 who will play for all the marbles this weekend.

I think Mississippi College and TLU have to be the favorites because of pitching depth. Orosey vs Seaman game one could be very interesting. The winner of this game I predict will win the whole thing.

I see it as follows:

MC over TLU
UTT over HSU

TLU over HSU
MC over UTT

TLU over UTT

MC over TLU

Ive been wrong alot this year so take that with a grain of salt!

I will jump in:

MC over TLU
HSU over UTT

TLU over UTT
MC over HSU

TLU over HSU

TLU over MC

MC over TLU

1 bid for MC and no one else gets in.  That hurts me to say but I think we just the Champ in and that is it
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on May 03, 2010, 01:25:37 PM
Quote from: yuckmonkey on May 03, 2010, 12:16:10 PM
1 bid for MC and no one else gets in.  That hurts me to say but I think we just the Champ in and that is it

I share the sentiment that IF MC wins the tournament they'll be the lone ASC representative. I think Tyler's resume looks better than TLU's, but the fact that Tyler lost both match-ups to TLU earlier this year, as well as 2 to UMHB, and two poundings courtesy of Sul Ross & Hardin Simmons (though they won both of those series) might indicate to some voters that the west is stronger and that Tyler doesn't have the depth to be true competition in the regional.

TLU would probably have a decent chance if not for the late Feb losses to U Dallas, and a really good chance if they won those two and swept both Sul Ross and Schreiner.

IF TLU or Tyler do win though, I think MC gets in, even if they're shipped to another region.

The West Regional will definitely feature these teams: Chapman, Linfield, Trinity, Pomona, which leaves two spots for the ASC champion and one Pool C bid. I have to believe Pac Lutheran is that team right now (though it's a lot closer after being swept by Linfield). Redlands could play their way in with a series win at Chapman this weekend, but they're on the bubble as well.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on May 03, 2010, 02:06:44 PM
Don't count out Trinity.  They swing the bat and they have a pretty good stable of arms.  Klemish can win just about any game he throws and he isn;t the only one.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on May 03, 2010, 02:10:33 PM
Quote from: swbaseball3 on May 03, 2010, 02:06:44 PM
Don't count out Trinity.  They swing the bat and they have a pretty good stable of arms.  Klemish can win just about any game he throws and he isn;t the only one.

Trinity has already clinched a spot as a result of winning the SCAC, and I included them in the post above. Or were you just mentioning their ability to be competitive in the West Regional?

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 03, 2010, 03:55:08 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on May 03, 2010, 02:10:33 PM
Quote from: swbaseball3 on May 03, 2010, 02:06:44 PM
Don't count out Trinity.  They swing the bat and they have a pretty good stable of arms.  Klemish can win just about any game he throws and he isn;t the only one.

Trinity has already clinched a spot as a result of winning the SCAC, and I included them in the post above. Or were you just mentioning their ability to be competitive in the West Regional?

JSG

My concern about Trinity is the huge break between the SCAC championship and the first West Region playoff game.  They were on a definite hot streak (12 straight Ws, outscoring their opponents 168-55) ... can the bats reignite after ~3 weeks off?

Agree that MC should get a bid if they don't win the ASC tourney ... but that's probably the only way the conference gets two bids this year.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: yuckmonkey on May 03, 2010, 04:05:26 PM
Changing the subject here for a minute and being curious but any word or rumor about who will be taking over at UTT????????
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tigerfan_2001 on May 03, 2010, 04:27:43 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 03, 2010, 03:55:08 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on May 03, 2010, 02:10:33 PM
Quote from: swbaseball3 on May 03, 2010, 02:06:44 PM
Don't count out Trinity.  They swing the bat and they have a pretty good stable of arms.  Klemish can win just about any game he throws and he isn;t the only one.

Trinity has already clinched a spot as a result of winning the SCAC, and I included them in the post above. Or were you just mentioning their ability to be competitive in the West Regional?

JSG

My concern about Trinity is the huge break between the SCAC championship and the first West Region playoff game.  They were on a definite hot streak (12 straight Ws, outscoring their opponents 168-55) ... can the bats reignite after ~3 weeks off?

Agree that MC should get a bid if they don't win the ASC tourney ... but that's probably the only way the conference gets two bids this year.
That is my concern as well.  Knowing Coach Scannell, I bet they are intersquading like crazy in effort to keep the bats going.  I know they intrasquad all the time
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 03, 2010, 04:36:26 PM
On the subject of who takes over at UTT after James leaves I have not clue but hope for Stan Smith. He played with my son back when the program started and has been a member of the team as player or a coach from day 1. There will however be a number of top applicants that will be interviewing for this job. Alot of the Juco coaches that are very desering with strong winning traditions will apply. Also existing DIII coaches wanting a great school with top notch facilities will look to upgrade.  So I would expect that the selection process will take a while and many highly qualified candidates will be applying. Stan is my personal favorite but it will be tough for him since he has no head coaching experience and is a young candidate. (However James Vilade was very young when he started UD from scratch several years ago.)

With respect to the conference tournament I too favor MC to win it. However both MC and UTT are ranked in the top 20 national polls and both teams have over 30 wins.  UTT is a much improved team to the one early in the season that lost those games to UMHB and TLU.  Having said that I don't think they are as good as MC.  With two teams in the top 20 you would hope that both would have a chance of making the regionals but that is a long shot.  The ASC deserves 2 teams so lets hope that the tournament champion is not the only representative again. If that happens it will be 3 years in a row that the ASC only gets one team. Ralph may have the stats but I think it was 4 years ago that we had 2 teams I think it was TLU and UTD but that might have been 5 years ago.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on May 03, 2010, 05:03:52 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 03, 2010, 04:36:26 PM
If that happens it will be 3 years in a row that the ASC only gets one team. Ralph may have the stats but I think it was 4 years ago that we had 2 teams I think it was TLU and UTD but that might have been 5 years ago.

It was 2007, and you're correct: TLU conf champs, UTD got a Pool C bid and knocked TLU out of the West Regional.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: yuckmonkey on May 03, 2010, 05:04:27 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 03, 2010, 04:36:26 PM
Ralph may have the stats but I think it was 4 years ago that we had 2 teams I think it was TLU and UTD but that might have been 5 years ago.

I think the year was 2007, I dont think UTT was not eligible and TLU won the tournament by shutting out McMurry in the final.  UTD did not even get to the final and was even run ruled by McMurry to get put out.  McM beat UTD 3 out of 5 times that year.
From our prospective I can not explain the selection process, how did UTD get in that year after being run ruled in the tournament and it was played at UTD's field; then you have other years when only one ASC team gets in?

In conclusion, I still think one team even if MC does not win the championship.  I hope I am wrong.  But whoever gets in I hope they go deep into the West Regional or wins it.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: yuckmonkey on May 03, 2010, 05:08:45 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 03, 2010, 04:36:26 PM
On the subject of who takes over at UTT after James leaves I have not clue but hope for Stan Smith. 

I do not know the staff at UTT very well, but I am hearing that the pitching coach is a front runner.  Is that Stan Smith?  If not who is it?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on May 03, 2010, 07:41:11 PM
I have zero faith in the selection process as far as the ASC is concerned, but I still think MC is in already and Tyler can position themselves with a 2-2 weekend. The worst MC can do is 30-6, and Tyler with a 30-11 record with .530 SOS should be in, especially with the extra pool c bids this year.

MC has swung the bat as well as anyone the second half of the season, but they enter the tourney down a couple of weekend starters. Brandon Martin is officially done this year, and Terrell Prescott has missed the last three weekends after moving to the ASC lead in ERA. That would hurt any team's chances, but the coaches thought they had a deep staff to start the season and it's paid off. It would still be nice to see the staff at full strength but there's nothing you can do about it. Seaman has been great all year, Chris Ferriss has been solid, Ian Underwood has stepped in with three great starts and Daniel Cowart has had a great year. Hopefully Prescott is back at some point.

This tourney will probably be like most others, whoever swings the bat will take it. These are four of the five top hitting teams in the league. MC, TLU and Tyler are probably the three hottest teams down the stretch, and HSU has scored 55 runs in their last five games. Should be a good tournament.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 03, 2010, 08:23:20 PM
Quote from: yuckmonkey on May 03, 2010, 05:08:45 PM
I do not know the staff at UTT very well, but I am hearing that the pitching coach is a front runner.  Is that Stan Smith?  If not who is it?

The pitching coach is Stan Smith and he has done a good job this year having to rebuild the staff. 

UTT is 32-10 going into this weekend with MC being 32-7.  I hope that they both get in but the only possible way is for them to finish 1-2 like last year. That will not be easy playing on TLUs home field. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: acain1008 on May 03, 2010, 09:48:01 PM
his name is actually stan phelps, just clearing that up
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on May 04, 2010, 05:56:31 PM
TLU vs. Mississippi College

Mississippi is the highest nationally ranked ASC team, and they're playing on TLU's home field in match up presumably featuring two of the best pitcher's in the country.

Mississippi College
Team AVG = .362 (1st)
Team ERA = 3.77 (1st)

Rotation:
Tyler Seamen 10-0, 2.91 ERA
Ian Underwood 4-0, 2.03 ERA
Chris Ferris 4-1, 3.61 ERA

Closer:
Daniel Cowart 5 SV, 3.47 ERA, .211 AVG against

Sticks:
Andy Smith (.361/.457) and Chase Herrin (.384/.466) set the tone at the top of the order, and then comes the gauntlet:

Dakota Bodree .338, 10 doubles
Bo Bell .441, 10 HR, 51 RBI (maybe the best power hitter in the ASC)
Shane Bennett .364, 5 HR
Stuart Magee .450, 6 HR, 36 RBI
Brannon Walls .364

Keys to Success:
> Get ahead in the account and hit Orosey's fastball. Save for Herrin and Bennett they already strike out a lot and if they're working from behind, and the slider is sharp it will be tough to string together hits.
> Play D on the left side. Bennett and Bodree have made their fair share of errors, and the speed at the top of TLU's order will certainly take advantage of any bobbles.
> Keep it close on the mound. Seamen doesn't have to be extra special, he just has to pitch how he has all season, and trust that his offense (the best in the ASC) will find a chink in Orosey's armor at some point.
> Run. Early and often. You're probably not going to let a lot of chances to score, particularly early, so manufacturing runs on the base paths is imperative.

--------------------------------


Texas Lutheran
Team AVG = .329 (5th)
Team ERA = 4.23 (1st)

Rotation:
Brad Orosey 10-1, 2.94 ERA
Jeremiah Steinart 8-2, 3.28 ERA
Travis Staggs 5-2, 5.28 ERA

Closer:
Tom Hembree 7 SV, 2.16 ERA

Sticks:
Not quite the pop in the middle of the lineup that MC has, but this is a balanced line-up capable of stringing together a big rally after innings of being relatively quiet.

Chris Green (.299) has great RBI potential (34) at the top of the order, and Andrew Femath (.410/.500) has a penchant for getting on base and swiping bags (19-20).

In the 3-slot Ryan Nokelby (.431/.505) is one of the best pure hitters in the ASC, and he's putting the ball in play (28:6 BB/K ratio).

Clay Childress (.342 7 HR, 40 RBI) is swinging a hot bat lately out of the cleanup spot and he's followed by Darwin Lucero (.388). Cody Miller and Jason McGill always have potential to leave the yard, and Evan Curtis (.352) is solid in the 9 hole.

Keys to Success:
> Orosey. He has the best stuff in the ASC, likely the west region, but he has to shake off last week and command it.
> Be resilient. Like TLU teams of the past, this team has shown they're not going to lay down and quit and they need to bring that mentality this weekend.
> Prevent the big inning. MC can flat out swing it, and they're capable of putting up huge innings so it'll be important for TLU to play intelligently and adjust to the course of the game. At some point this may mean exchanging outs for runs.
> Use the pen effectively. With MC's Martin and Prescott out (if he comes back what an X factor), TLU has the deepest pen, and they can throw a lot of different looks at an offense. This could be critical if they get in a shoot out.


Your thoughts!?

JSG


Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on May 04, 2010, 06:00:31 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on May 04, 2010, 05:56:31 PM
TLU vs. Mississippi College

Mississippi is the highest nationally ranked ASC team, and they're playing on TLU's home field in match up presumably featuring two of the best pitcher's in the country.

Mississippi College
Team AVG = .362 (1st)
Team ERA = 3.77 (1st)

Rotation:
Tyler Seamen 10-0, 2.91 ERA
Ian Underwood 4-0, 2.03 ERA
Chris Ferris 4-1, 3.61 ERA

Closer:
Daniel Cowart 5 SV, 3.47 ERA, .211 AVG against

Sticks:
Andy Smith (.361/.457) and Chase Herrin (.384/.466) set the tone at the top of the order, and then comes the gauntlet:

Dakota Bodree .338, 10 doubles
Bo Bell .441, 10 HR, 51 RBI (maybe the best power hitter in the ASC)
Shane Bennett .364, 5 HR
Stuart Magee .450, 6 HR, 36 RBI
Brannon Walls .364

Keys to Success:
> Get ahead in the account and hit Orosey's fastball. Save for Herrin and Bennett they already strike out a lot and if they're working from behind, and the slider is sharp it will be tough to string together hits.
> Play D on the left side. Bennett and Bodree have made their fair share of errors, and the speed at the top of TLU's order will certainly take advantage of any bobbles.
> Keep it close on the mound. Seamen doesn't have to be extra special, he just has to pitch how he has all season, and trust that his offense (the best in the ASC) will find a chink in Orosey's armor at some point.
> Run. Early and often. You're probably not going to let a lot of chances to score, particularly early, so manufacturing runs on the base paths is imperative.

--------------------------------


Texas Lutheran
Team AVG = .329 (5th)
Team ERA = 4.23 (1st)

Rotation:
Brad Orosey 10-1, 2.94 ERA
Jeremiah Steinart 8-2, 3.28 ERA
Travis Staggs 5-2, 5.28 ERA

Closer:
Tom Hembree 7 SV, 2.16 ERA

Sticks:
Not quite the pop in the middle of the lineup that MC has, but this is a balanced line-up capable of stringing together a big rally after innings of being relatively quiet.

Chris Green (.299) has great RBI potential (34) at the top of the order, and Andrew Femath (.410/.500) has a penchant for getting on base and swiping bags (19-20).

In the 3-slot Ryan Nokelby (.431/.505) is one of the best pure hitters in the ASC, and he's putting the ball in play (28:6 BB/K ratio).

Clay Childress (.342 7 HR, 40 RBI) is swinging a hot bat lately out of the cleanup spot and he's followed by Darwin Lucero (.388). Cody Miller and Jason McGill always have potential to leave the yard, and Evan Curtis (.352) is solid in the 9 hole.

Keys to Success:
> Orosey. He has the best stuff in the ASC, likely the west region, but he has to shake off last week and command it.
> Be resilient. Like TLU teams of the past, this team has shown they're not going to lay down and quit and they need to bring that mentality this weekend.
> Prevent the big inning. MC can flat out swing it, and they're capable of putting up huge innings so it'll be important for TLU to play intelligently and adjust to the course of the game. At some point this may mean exchanging outs for runs.
> Use the pen effectively. With MC's Martin and Prescott out (if he comes back what an X factor), TLU has the deepest pen, and they can throw a lot of different looks at an offense. This could be critical if they get in a shoot out.


Your thoughts!?

JSG



IF TLU Brad Orosey holds MC to 3 runs or less then TLU wins. If not MC could win the ASC
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 04, 2010, 10:21:13 PM
I was just on the ASC tournament website and saw something interesting. Since 2001 when  the ASC started participating in the NCAA DIV III, they have had only 1 at large birth and that was UTD in 2007.  I was actually shocked by that stat. That says alot about the West region. My old conference in Ohio the OAC is expected to have 3 teams in the tournament this year. There are far more DIV III teams in the north east but the OAC is not nearly as big as the ASC.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on May 05, 2010, 12:20:09 PM
Crash:

Very nice write up on the TLU/MC series.  A couple of things to note.  MC plays WAY better at home then they do on the road.  Not sure why that's the case but it's a fact.

Another thing is I'm not so sure about the stats from MC.  The East is pretty week and if I'm not mistaken, about a month ago, MC was hitting .317 as a team.  Certainly beating up on bad teams can raise that average a bunch.  Which leads me to the next comment about pitching.  Is it reasonable to think that the great stats on the East side can be bolstered by pitching against weak teams?

Hey, Seaman is good.  I get that but if MHB pounded him around, do you think he'd have been 10-1 in the West?  Just a thought.  Compare that to Orosey.  He's had three bad outings in two years.  Two against UTD.  That means that he's handled everyone from the West plus UTT in two years.  BTW, Orosey beat MC last year giving up only 5 hits ion a complete game.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 05, 2010, 12:34:49 PM
TLU will be looking for redemption this year as they underperformed in last years tournament. They lost two tough games to UTT and UTD and were knocked out early. They will not want a repeat so I expect them to be very tough to beat.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 05, 2010, 12:51:27 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 04, 2010, 10:21:13 PM
I was just on the ASC tournament website and saw something interesting. Since 2001 when  the ASC started participating in the NCAA DIV III, they have had only 1 at large birth and that was UTD in 2007.  I was actually shocked by that stat. That says alot about the West region. My old conference in Ohio the OAC is expected to have 3 teams in the tournament this year. There are far more DIV III teams in the north east but the OAC is not nearly as big as the ASC.
They don't have a "play-in" tourney which is what the ASC tourney actually is. 

Also, we have an isolated conference, so our SOS is rarely much above .500.  (Those same SOS challenges face the SCIAC and the NWC, but they do not have a post-season tourney.  We just need about five more years and about 3 more members so we can split!)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 05, 2010, 01:02:02 PM
Five more years - omg! The kids are the ones that are paying the price as they are being left out.

Another stat. There are 15 current members in the ASC playing baseball this year.  There are a total of 39 members in the west regional which means the ASC accounts for almost 39% of the total. If the ASC only gets one invite out of 15 that means the remaining 5 invites go to other 24. If it was proportional representation then the ASC would get 39% of the invites or 2.34 - rounded to 2. That at least would be fair from a total participation standpoint. Certainly the ASC can field 2 deserving teams each year.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on May 05, 2010, 01:10:12 PM
Quote from: swbaseball3 on May 05, 2010, 12:20:09 PM
Another thing is I'm not so sure about the stats from MC.  The East is pretty week and if I'm not mistaken, about a month ago, MC was hitting .317 as a team.  Certainly beating up on bad teams can raise that average a bunch.  Which leads me to the next comment about pitching.  Is it reasonable to think that the great stats on the East side can be bolstered by pitching against weak teams?

Hey, Seaman is good.  I get that but if MHB pounded him around, do you think he'd have been 10-1 in the West?  Just a thought.  Compare that to Orosey.  He's had three bad outings in two years.  Two against UTD.  That means that he's handled everyone from the West plus UTT in two years.  BTW, Orosey beat MC last year giving up only 5 hits ion a complete game.

If you are going to apply that kind of logic, you have to apply it both ways. Jared Hopper dominated the ASC West with a 5-1 record and 1.57 ERA allowing eight earned runs. MC managed more earned runs (10) against him than the other ASC West teams combined. The kid is a great pitcher who shut us down last year, but nobody else was able to get to him.

With statistics you can usually find some to support any opinion. After playing a 40 game schedule and a couple playoff games, usually the combined stats are the most accurate reflection of the teams and players.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on May 05, 2010, 01:24:21 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 05, 2010, 01:02:02 PM
Five more years - omg! The kids are the ones that are paying the price as they are being left out.

Another stat. There are 15 current members in the ASC playing baseball this year.  There are a total of 39 members in the west regional which means the ASC accounts for almost 39% of the total. If the ASC only gets one invite out of 15 that means the remaining 5 invites go to other 24. If it was proportional representation then the ASC would get 39% of the invites or 2.34 - rounded to 2. That at least would be fair from a total participation standpoint. Certainly the ASC can field 2 deserving teams each year.

This is how I would allocate the 6 spots for West Region in my view:

2010 numbers
39 teams 6 slots = 1 per 6.5 teams

SCIAC 1
NWC   1
SCAC  1
ASC    2
Pool B/C 1

But the West should have at least 7 not 6 spots. Based on Regional Rankings, National Polls, and OWP and SOS number I see.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 05, 2010, 01:25:57 PM
Why do you keep acting Miss. College is a completely different team on the road? They are like 14-4 this year on the road. Also, they were a slow starting team last year and really brought it late in the season, and almost won the dang tournament.

Stat of the day since we are talking about road records:

Miss College road winning percentage .778
TLU's Home winning percentage          .773




Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on May 05, 2010, 01:57:27 PM
I agree with dp643. The past is the past and this is a new year, and they've been good on the road this year.

He might be referring to the fact that MC is 1-7 at Katt Isbel since 2005, but this is 2010. Let's see how it shakes out. It should be a good game and a great tournament.

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on May 05, 2010, 03:54:39 PM
Quote from: dp643 on May 05, 2010, 01:25:57 PM
Why do you keep acting Miss. College is a completely different team on the road? They are like 14-4 this year on the road. Also, they were a slow starting team last year and really brought it late in the season, and almost won the dang tournament.

Stat of the day since we are talking about road records:

Miss College road winning percentage .778
TLU's Home winning percentage          .773

The last 5-6 years the team has not done as well on the road as at home, but honestly it's been several years since we've had a nationally competitive team. Tyler and TLU have had those teams, but we have not. Even last year we had great chemistry and tough kids who overachieved, but it's hard to win in this league on the road unless you have a lot of talent.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on May 06, 2010, 02:26:56 PM
Agreed that this year is a new year but 1-7 is my reference point.  As mentioned, TLU scored almost 50 runs on MC last year in Seguin.  Also, 4-5 years does show a trend and this year could very well be an abberation for MC.

Switching gears, I like Hopper but not nearly as much as this board likes him.  And, if I'm not mistaken, didn't Hopper pitch against MC at MC?  And if that's the case, wouldn't that go back to my original conjecture.

Fact...I think MC is pretty darn good.  They are certainly going to come to play.  If they play like the 1-7 team, well, the trend will continue.  They may not.  Knowing that Orosey held them to 5 hits as a freshman and he's at home, I would bet TLU if indeed I were a betting man.  If the games were in Clinton, MS, TLU would be in a heap more trouble.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 06, 2010, 03:59:46 PM
MC is a completely different team now than they were when they got swept last year in Seguin. That was the point of me saying they started slow last year.

If we want to make prior years accomplishments as talking points for predicting outcomes this weekend, then I think Hardin Simmons should be the odds on favorite. I mean heck, in 2008 they swept TLU in Seguin. Make that 4-2 in the last 6 games in Seguin.

Good luck everyone this weekend. Going to be some good baseball played
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on May 06, 2010, 11:47:44 PM
Just got an interesting report.  Wind blowing in tomorrow and a cool front comes in Friday night.  If that's the case, wind will be dead out to RCF on Saturday.  Don;t pitch to Bo Bell on Saturday, huh?

Good luck to all.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on May 07, 2010, 11:10:52 AM
ASC Tournament opens at 11 a.m. CST today from TLU's Katt-Isbel Field.

#18 UT Tyler vs Hardin Simmons - 11 a.m.

Preview: http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/baseball/news/2010/may06-10.html (http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/baseball/news/2010/may06-10.html)

TLU vs #8 Mississippi College - 3 p.m.

ASC Championship Tournament Central
http://www.ascsports.org/news/2010/4/29/SB_0429100447.aspx (http://www.ascsports.org/news/2010/4/29/SB_0429100447.aspx)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on May 07, 2010, 11:25:40 AM
Quote from: INS_Major on May 07, 2010, 11:10:52 AM
ASC Tournament opens at 11 a.m. CST today from TLU's Katt-Isbel Field.

#18 UT Tyler vs Hardin Simmons - 11 a.m.

Preview: http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/baseball/news/2010/may06-10.html (http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/baseball/news/2010/may06-10.html)

TLU vs #8 Mississippi College - 3 p.m.

ASC Championship Tournament Central
http://www.ascsports.org/news/2010/4/29/SB_0429100447.aspx (http://www.ascsports.org/news/2010/4/29/SB_0429100447.aspx)
This tourney will have a ripple effect across the country. I expect a lot to teams to be watching the results in the ASC tourney. I am looking forward to watching the results pour in.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tigerfan_2001 on May 07, 2010, 12:05:56 PM
live web cam from here

http://www.stretchinternet.com/flash/player/palliate.php?event=tlu&pass=8327151
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 07, 2010, 01:03:22 PM
HSU  000 01  - 1
UTT   000 0_  - 0

UTT batting one out, no one on base.



Final -- UTT 5, HSU 4.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on May 07, 2010, 03:50:50 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 07, 2010, 01:03:22 PM
HSU  000 01  - 1
UTT   000 0_  - 0

UTT batting one out, no one on base.



Final -- UTT 5, HSU 4.



UTT winning is good news for the ASC. They need to keep their top teams in the spotlight if they are to get multiple bids. TLU vs. MISS will be a great game. Can MISS get to Orosey?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tigerfan_2001 on May 07, 2010, 04:07:06 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 07, 2010, 03:50:50 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 07, 2010, 01:03:22 PM
HSU  000 01  - 1
UTT   000 0_  - 0

UTT batting one out, no one on base.



Final -- UTT 5, HSU 4.



UTT winning is good news for the ASC. They need to keep their top teams in the spotlight if they are to get multiple bids. TLU vs. MISS will be a great game. Can MISS get to Orosey?
MISS gets two in the top of the 1st, 2 out, runner on third.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tigerfan_2001 on May 07, 2010, 04:36:57 PM
4-0 MC thru 2.5
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on May 07, 2010, 05:08:15 PM
MC 4 TLU 1 in the 5th.  Orosey is struggling but hanging.  Big thrwo to the plate by MC to gun Childress that saved a run.  Nice play.  Seaman looking good.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on May 07, 2010, 05:15:43 PM
Bases loaded for TLU and Nock at the plate, 1 out.....Big Part of game.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on May 07, 2010, 05:17:13 PM
MC 4 TLU 3, Nockleby basebhit up the middle.  Nockleby just set all-time hit leader passing Villegas from MHB,
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on May 07, 2010, 05:21:28 PM
Bases loaded again and Lucero up.  Seaman is out.  3 runs so far and he is responsible for all runners.  1 out in the 5th
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on May 07, 2010, 05:27:51 PM
TLU 5 MU 4 after 5 innings
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 07, 2010, 05:28:42 PM
tlu scores 4 on 2 hits. Seaman and Cowart are all over the place.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tigerfan_2001 on May 07, 2010, 05:33:35 PM
Had to leave work and livestarts won't work on my phone. Can someone update the tlu game on here?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 07, 2010, 05:37:32 PM
Quote from: tigerfan_2001 on May 07, 2010, 05:33:35 PM
Had to leave work and livestarts won't work on my phone. Can someone update the tlu game on here?
TLU 5 MissColl 4, bottom of the 6th.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on May 07, 2010, 05:42:44 PM
TLU 5 MU 4 in the 7th. Orosey still in.  Green with a very bad base running mistake that took TLU out of the 6th.  1 pitch, one out and two outs in the 7th
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 07, 2010, 05:44:50 PM
Chris Glaze with a bad running mistake to run MC out of the inning.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on May 07, 2010, 05:49:05 PM
Bottom of the 7th, 2 outs for TLU.  Lucero up.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on May 07, 2010, 05:52:06 PM
Top of the 8th.  MC has up 3-4-5.  Orosey still up.  Hembree is warmed.  TLU 5 MC 4
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on May 07, 2010, 05:58:01 PM
top of 8th, 1 on and Bell at the plate.  Brodery tried to bunt and K'ed.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on May 07, 2010, 06:00:35 PM
single to RF, runner to 3rd. Bell to 2nd on an error by Femath or Lucero on the throw back into the field.  Orosey is out.  Hembree is in.  1 out top of 8th.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on May 07, 2010, 06:01:54 PM
check that Orosey talked burnett out of it.  Orosey is in 2 outs and 2 on base.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on May 07, 2010, 06:06:14 PM
Orosey HITS 2 batters in a row and the game is tied at 5.  Madden is coming in to close the door for TLU.  2 outs in the 8th, bases loaded.  He had one guy 0-2 and hit him and the other was 2-2, then 3-2 and a HBP.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on May 07, 2010, 06:18:34 PM
TLU 3 K's in the 8th and it's 5-5 going into the 9th.  Madden returns for TLU.  MU has 9-1-2 up
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on May 07, 2010, 06:21:22 PM
Leadoff single to left and a good play by Miller to cut it off.  Madden is out, Hembree is in, no outs and a runner on 1st.  Leadoff batter for MU is up.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on May 07, 2010, 06:26:30 PM
runner in 3rd with one out.  WOWOWOWOWOWOW!!!!! Fly ball to RF and the runner tried to go.  Ball was not hit deep and Luceron guns him at the plate.  Bottom of 9th 5-5.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on May 07, 2010, 06:31:32 PM
Going to the 10th.  Cowart is really in control.  5-5
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 07, 2010, 06:38:02 PM
Runner 1st and 2nd for MC and no outs, bunt to the 3rd baseman Wheaton who for some reason throws to third and everyone is safe. bases loaded no outs.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on May 07, 2010, 06:41:43 PM
Wheels are falling off for TLU.  bases loaded. no outs, an error HBP and a FC and two hits and it's 7-5.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on May 07, 2010, 06:46:08 PM
Bottom of 10th 9-5 MU.  TLU made several mistakes while MU only hit one ball out of the INF and scored 4.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on May 07, 2010, 06:57:21 PM
Ballgame.  9-5.  Cowart was fantastic and kept MU in it until TLU imploded in the 10th.  The first miscue was a bunt to third and TLU called for a throw to 3rd and everyone was safe.  An error, a basehit and another tough play error and it's 9-5.  Hats off to MU as they kept chugging.

MVP of the game was Cowart.  he got every single guy out that he needed to.  Now, he's probably done for the weekend and that may come back to haunt MC if they make their way into the loser's bracket.

Good luck to all tomorrow.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tigerfan_2001 on May 07, 2010, 07:00:28 PM
Sounds like a great game. Thanks for the updates.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dahlby on May 07, 2010, 07:33:07 PM
Not an ASC score, but has playoff implications, Redlands trails Chapman 3-24 in the top of the 8th at Redlands.  Redlands needs to win at least 2 of 3 to stay in contention for Pool C bid.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on May 07, 2010, 08:13:43 PM
Quote
Had to leave work and livestarts won't work on my phone. Can someone update the tlu game on here?

If you have an iPhone, don't let it fool you. You CAN get on the ICS live stats. If you have an iPhone and are having trouble, let me know and I'll tell you how.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dahlby on May 07, 2010, 09:13:29 PM
Friday final, Chapman 28-9 over Redlands. Twin bill at Chapman tomorrow is a must must for Redlands
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 08, 2010, 08:51:32 AM
2 awesome games yesterday.

TLU and HSU are in big holes now because I dont think either of them have enough arms to win 4 games in a row.

Congrats to Ryan Nokelby for becoming the all time leader in ASC hits. Great accomplishment from a great player.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tigerfan_2001 on May 08, 2010, 09:06:02 AM
Quote from: INS_Major on May 07, 2010, 08:13:43 PM
Quote
Had to leave work and livestarts won't work on my phone. Can someone update the tlu game on here?

If you have an iPhone, don't let it fool you. You CAN get on the ICS live stats. If you have an iPhone and are having trouble, let me know and I'll tell you how.
would love if you could post instructions.  sidearm stats uses flash, i thought, which is a no-go on an iphone
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 08, 2010, 09:39:02 AM
Id love to know how as well. McMurry had an html version on mobile versions of the live stats so you could view there's. Everyone else is using flash. They only way I know how to do it is to jailbreak the phone. Please enlighten us!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 08, 2010, 10:04:46 AM
Quote from: dp643 on May 08, 2010, 09:39:02 AM
Id love to know how as well. McMurry had an html version on mobile versions of the live stats so you could view there's. Everyone else is using flash. They only way I know how to do it is to jailbreak the phone. Please enlighten us!
Gotta give a shout-out to our SID!  Kyle Robarts has done a great job with the technical innovations to the Athletic Communications... and I like the way that he broadcasts a ball game, too.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on May 08, 2010, 10:16:43 AM
Quote from: tigerfan_2001 on May 08, 2010, 09:06:02 AM
Quote from: INS_Major on May 07, 2010, 08:13:43 PM
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Had to leave work and livestarts won't work on my phone. Can someone update the tlu game on here?

If you have an iPhone, don't let it fool you. You CAN get on the ICS live stats. If you have an iPhone and are having trouble, let me know and I'll tell you how.
would love if you could post instructions.  sidearm stats uses flash, i thought, which is a no-go on an iphone

It's at the bottom of the live stats page. There is a link that says "View Stats on Your Mobile Device". SIDEARM Sports is one of the few companies that provides a mobile version of live stats to go along with the regular flash live stats.

That was a good MC/TLU game yesterday, but an odd one. Seaman cruised through four allowing the one unearned run, then lost the zone. A couple singles in the 5th, but two walks and a HBP got him. Bad time for it to happen, but it happens to everyone. He only threw 71 pitches. Cowart comes in with another walk and HBP to let two inherited runners score, but dominated the rest of the game with 10 strikeouts in 5 2/3 innings.

Orosey was knocked around pretty good early but honestly it could have been worse. I thought he did a good job not letting the score get out of hand and kept TLU in it, then found a groove in the middle of the game when he was tough. He ran out of gas in the 8th when MC tied it and almost had a big inning with a ball hit to the wall with the bases loaded.

The 10th inning was something you don't see from TLU very often. Even the best fielding teams aren't immune to innings like that sometimes.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on May 08, 2010, 11:03:35 AM
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would love if you could post instructions.  sidearm stats uses flash, i thought, which is a no-go on an iphone

Chris beat me too it in the above post. But if you are still confused...

When you click on it originally, you'll see a a little blue square in the center of your screen, then three lines of text at the bottom. The one in the middle says "View Stats on Your Mobile Device" as Chris mentioned (zoom in) and just click on that and they'll be up in a second. It will also refresh itself inning by inning, so just watch and enjoy!

Should be a great game today between #9 Miss. College and #19 UT Tyler at 1 p.m.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tigerfan_2001 on May 08, 2010, 12:09:36 PM
Thanks for the info on a mobile device. Live stats seemed to be frozen...3rd inning, tied 1-1.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on May 08, 2010, 01:04:06 PM
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Thanks for the info on a mobile device. Live stats seemed to be frozen...3rd inning, tied 1-1.
They froze for about 30 min... It's 8-3 Lutheran bottom 6th.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 08, 2010, 04:12:38 PM
The quarterfinal round UTT is up early 6-0 going into the bottom of the 3rd. You can't read too much into the early lead. UTT does not have dominant pitching and MC can put up the runs in bunches.

This is the 10 meeting between these two teams in the last 2 years. MC holds a 5-4 advantage but UTT has one the big games. Last year after dropping the quarterfinal game 14-3 they came back and beat MC back to back in dramatic come from behind fashion when it looked like MC was going to walk away the confernce champion on their home field. UTT in the last east division series dropped 2 out of 3 on their home field and had to settle for a tie for the East Division title. MC got home field advantage to host the ASC tournament due to beating UTT in 2 out of 3 in that series. This year MC needed to sweep UTT at home to win the East and came close winning 2 out of 3 but dropped the last game giving UTT the east title. So these teams have really battled the last 2 years and have shown great resilancy. TLU has been victimized by these two teams in the ASC tournament the last two years thus far so it will be interesting to see if they can turn it around. For TLU to win they will have to beat these east division powers 3 times out of 3 games. That would be quite and accomplishment.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 08, 2010, 04:43:16 PM
7-1 UTT after five.

10-1 UTT with MC to bat in the bottom of the sixth.


Oops, live stats fooled me, UTT is still up and it's now 12-1 13-1 with two down.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 08, 2010, 05:42:21 PM
UTT wins 13-2 in seven innings as Jameson Holt and Clint Sharp combine for the five-hitter.   They'll face the winner of the 5pm game between TLU-MC for the championship tomorrow afternoon.  
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 08, 2010, 05:44:59 PM
UTT surprisingly won easy on a run rule shortened game and is now in the drivers seat.  The grueling 10 inning game between TLU and MC last night cost MC more than I thought. They had no pitching today and could not generate any offense agaisnt the UTT pitchers. When they had the bases loaded with only one out in the bottom of the 4th I thought they were going to have a big inning. But they only got one run in and they were dead after that.  Who ever wins tonights game will have depleted pitching for tomorrow so it will be real hard to win two against a UTT team that has more overall pitching depth and a rested closer.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dahlby on May 08, 2010, 07:32:07 PM
For those interested in Pool C bids, Chapman defeated Redlands in the first of two games this afternoon, pretty much eliminating Redland's Pool C hopes.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 08, 2010, 08:03:20 PM
IMO whoever comes in second tomorrow in the ASC championship should get the Pool C bid. All 3 of the teams have won well over 30 games and 2 of the 3 were ranked in the top 25 and the third TLU should have been. When you are forced to play in a double ellimination tournament with 3 outstanding teams it means the second place team will have lost 2 games against opposing teams that have won more than 32 games this year - real tough competition. It also means they had to beat some real tough competition to get there. The 2nd place team will overall in the tournament finish no worse than 4-2 and if it is the looser bracket team could end up 5-2 overall if they win the first game tomorrow. Who ever looses tonight is out of Pool C consideration even if it is MC. You have to make to the finals to have a Pool C chance.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 08, 2010, 08:28:35 PM
MC-TLU, going to the 9th tied at 6.  They went 10 innings yesterday.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 08, 2010, 08:49:32 PM
When current AD former head coach Bill Miller moved into the TLU AD job, I thought I heard talk that TLU would put lights on Katt-Isbel.  Is that still on "one of the burners" at TLU, back burner or otherwise?

It is getting dark as we go to the 10th.

Called due to darkness.  Restart at 11AM  tomorrow.


MC   102 001 112  -  8
TLU  002 201 102  -  8

What a game!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: DavidNichols on May 08, 2010, 08:59:11 PM
Anyone up for a new by-law in the rules for hosting a tournament?  Let's put up some lights.  What a great game that has to be postponed until tomorrow.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dahlby on May 08, 2010, 09:04:59 PM
What a terrible shame that the game had to be called. The winner will probably get a Pool C bid, if not the Pool A bid with a pair of wins in Sunday's finals. Is there not any criteria for hosting the conference tourney as it applies to the field. I hate to see a team lose an opportunity of going to the regionals
because of the game being delayed. The conference should review their criteria or at least start all the games earlier.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 08, 2010, 09:10:36 PM
Quote from: dahlby on May 08, 2010, 09:04:59 PM
What a terrible shame that the game had to be called. The winner will probably get a Pool C bid, if not the Pool A bid with a pair of wins in Sunday's finals. Is there not any criteria for hosting the conference tourney as it applies to the field. I hate to see a team lose an opportunity of going to the regionals
because of the game being delayed. The conference should review their criteria or at least start all the games earlier.

The first game of today, the loser's match between HSU and TLU, began at 10am this morning, 10 hours earlier.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dahlby on May 08, 2010, 09:17:28 PM
Good point Ralph, but I would rather see an earlier start than to see a game delayed. It would be interesting to see what the coaches involved think. They would be the best judges.


Redlands defeated Chapman in the second game of the twin bill today. Chapman took two of three for the series to virtually eliminate Redlands from Pool C possibilities and more than likely giving CU the #1 seed.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 08, 2010, 09:26:37 PM
Quote from: dahlby on May 08, 2010, 09:17:28 PM
Good point Ralph, but I would rather see an earlier start than to see a game delayed. It would be interesting to see what the coaches involved think. They would be the best judges.
If you were watching the videocast, you could tell that it was going to get scary.

Official sunset in San Antonio, 40 miles to the west, is listed at 8:16 pm.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dahlby on May 08, 2010, 09:35:41 PM
Ralph, I was over at the Chapman games so didn't catch the videocast. But, rest well assured that I in no way meant to imply that the game shouldn't have been stopped (of course the safety of our student athletes is the most important). I only meant that the conference needs to address  (anticipate)situations such as these and react by making the changes needed. Even if that means not giving tourney's to fields without lights.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 08, 2010, 10:03:41 PM
Quote from: dahlby on May 08, 2010, 09:35:41 PM
Ralph, I was over at the Chapman games so didn't catch the videocast. But, rest well assured that I in no way meant to imply that the game shouldn't have been stopped (of course the safety of our student athletes is the most important). I only meant that the conference needs to address  (anticipate)situations such as these and react by making the changes needed. Even if that means not giving tourney's to fields without lights.
I understand.   :)

About half of the fields in the ASC are lit.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 08, 2010, 10:10:10 PM
It will make it almost impossible for the winner of the 11:00 game to be the champion. They would have to win in essence 3 games tomorrow. Although not out of the realm of possibility it is a real real long shot. MC and TLU concievably could play multiple inninings tomorrow the longer they go the deaper into what little pithcing they have left they will be forced to use.

I am not so sure that this tournament is helpful to the conference from a post season play perspective. Last year UTT came up through the loosers bracket and beat MC twice on the final day but paid a price. They had some of their best players hurt going into the West Regional and did not play up to their ability due to that. Arms are fragile and in these types of tournament a coach is faced with having to bring back one of your better pitchers on short rest to give the team a chance. You don't know how that effects him until you have to use him in the regional. The UTT pitchers last year in the regional did not pitch well and I got to believe that in part it was due to coming up through the loosers bracket in the ASC tournament. It was tough on the postion playres also as they lost a couple of those due to injuries that were aggraveted by the extended play.

We shall see but I don't think this will be good for TLU or MC in the long run.






Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 08, 2010, 10:32:48 PM
Playoff baseball in D-III is by the doulbe-elimination tournament, so we are stuck with the beast.

If we were split into 2 conferences, we might have three teams in the playoffs!

Two conference champs and a Pool C.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 08, 2010, 10:50:54 PM
I am in complete agreement with you there Ralph. Next year with the divisions both being 8 teams it would make sense to have two conferences for baseball. It would not make sense for football since far less teams participate in football.  The question is can you have a different conference for football than you do for baseball. I don't know if that is possible. In Division one ND is indipendent in football and a member of the Big East in basketball and other sports but I don't know of any confernce that is one way for football and an other way for other sports.  I don't think DIII would alow it.

Another comment about having to restart tomoroow. I am the father of a former pitcher and was a youth coach of pitchers in select ball and HS summer leages. A pitcher stiffens up over night especially if they throw more than one inning - two at the most. You almost cannot use them the morning of the next day. Keep in mind that a picher thows 25-30 pitches warming up before they entered the game then throw warm up pitches between innings on top of what they throw in the game. The arm tightens up over night. This is one of the bad things of not being able to finish the game tonight. The ASC should hold all the double elimination tournament games on fields with lights.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dahlby on May 08, 2010, 11:03:26 PM
I don't know if this applies here, but a few years back Pomona College (SCIAC Conference) dropped out of the conference for football and became an Independent for a few years, before rejoining the conference at a later date. Also, didn't U of Dallas join a confernce in just a few sports a couple of years ago?

If they did split, would there be a waiting period before an automatic bid would apply? Maybe they could pick up an extra Pool B bid if they needed to wait a year or so.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on May 08, 2010, 11:31:42 PM


Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 08, 2010, 08:49:32 PM
When current AD former head coach Bill Miller moved into the TLU AD job, I thought I heard talk that TLU would put lights on Katt-Isbel.  Is that still on "one of the burners" at TLU, back burner or otherwise?

It is getting dark as we go to the 10th.

Called due to darkness.  Restart at 11AM  tomorrow.


MC   102 001 112  -  8
TLU  002 201 102  -  8

What a game!

Lights are on the to-do list.  As many kow, they cost in excess of $500K and that's a ton of jack in today's economy.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 08, 2010, 11:35:06 PM
As I understand it, Centenary should be a re-classifying member of D-III in 2011-12.  They should be a full member in 2015-16.

Some time between now and then, I would hope that the ASC would have 8 teams split into a separate conference and earn its own AQ's, spending 2 years in Pool B for those sports.

I want the new conference to construct affiliation agreements that will maximize the AQ's.

I think that the AQ sports include FB, VB, BB and SB; Men's and Women's Soccer, Basketball, Tennis and Golf.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on May 08, 2010, 11:41:17 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 08, 2010, 08:03:20 PM
IMO whoever comes in second tomorrow in the ASC championship should get the Pool C bid. All 3 of the teams have won well over 30 games and 2 of the 3 were ranked in the top 25 and the third TLU should have been. When you are forced to play in a double ellimination tournament with 3 outstanding teams it means the second place team will have lost 2 games against opposing teams that have won more than 32 games this year - real tough competition. It also means they had to beat some real tough competition to get there. The 2nd place team will overall in the tournament finish no worse than 4-2 and if it is the looser bracket team could end up 5-2 overall if they win the first game tomorrow. Who ever looses tonight is out of Pool C consideration even if it is MC. You have to make to the finals to have a Pool C chance.

I agree all three are solid teams, but MC should not be on the pool c bubble regardless if they win or not. Let's say MC loses and TLU moves on to lose to a Tyler team with rested arms.

MC would be 31-6 regionally and they would have split with TLU at their place.

TLU would be 30-13 regionally with all other criteria very similar including SOS.

If it was close I could see your point, but seven more losses isn't close. MC has had a much better overall season to date. If anything, the three games against great teams will significantly improve MC's SOS, and they should remain in the #4 spot in the West Region rankings ahead of Trinity.

Having said that, I think TLU has played great baseball this weekend and has a very solid bunch. Regardless who gets in, as usual there will be very good ASC teams who get passed over for pool c selection.

EDITED: I wanted to add this about Tyler today. I saw them a month ago in Clinton and frankly they did not look very good. They managed to salvage the third game with a dramatic homer. But today they were completely different, they hammered the ball and pitched well. They'll be tough for anyone to beat tomorrow if they continue to play like that.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 09, 2010, 10:36:40 AM
I agree with chris that miss college should be a lock for a pool c. I would really have liked to see
this team with all of their pitching healthy.

If Mississippi college pulls out against tlu this morning I would expect to see seaman and underwood start if it goes that far. Them 2 and cowart will have some tired arms going into the regional if they get there.

Ut Tyler seems to be peaking at the right time. Chitwood has only thrown one out this weekend so he should be available for alot of work today, which doesn't bode well for tlu or mc

swbaseball... Will we see Logan hull if you guys win? Is orosey avl for an inning?? 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 09, 2010, 12:54:03 PM
MC beats TLU to advance to the finals vs UT Tyler.

I would not be surprised to see Seaman and Underwood both pitch in the next game (or 2).

Tyler has to be considered the favorite because I would assume Cowart isnt available after throwing 5 innings on Friday and 4 innings yesterday. This should be fun.

I think MC is without a doubt a pool C shoe in if they dont win. I hope they can get Prescott back in time for the regional.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on May 09, 2010, 01:38:28 PM
Congrats to MC but give it to TLU for battling into extras twice only to come up short.  I thought it was very appropriate that the game came down to Bell and how he doubled in the clutch.  That was the game.  The best MC player really stepped up.

As a sidenote, Nockelby ends up the All-Time hits leader for the ASC this past weekend and that really puts a stamp on his ability to hit.  A four-year starter and one of the few at TLU ever.

In the end, though, I believe we would all agree that the best two teams, right now, are in the finals for the crown.  MC played great early in the season, lost a little momentum in the UTT series only to rebound at the time they needed it.  As for UTT, well, they have really poured it on after the mid-season mark.  Assuming both will advance to the Regions, the ASC should be well represented.  Now we all become MC and UTT fans.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 09, 2010, 04:45:55 PM
MC 3 UTT 3 going to the top of the 10th of Game 6.

Tyler Seaman went 9 innings.. 7hits  3R 3ER 6K 134 pitches (about 90 K's about 45 B's)

McKay in relief for the Choctaws.


MC gets out of 1st & 3rd one out jam with a caught pop-up on a bunt attempt and a 4-3 ground out.  3-3 going to the bottom of the 10th.

Shane Bennett singles to left field, one out.  Bennett is pick off by 4 feet after a failed bunt attempt.  Caught him leaning the other way.  TLU gets out of the inning, 1hit, no one LOB.

Going to the 11th.


MC gets out of a 1-out bases loaded jam.  Tied at 3

UTT's Logan Chitwood takes the mound in the bottom of the 11th and gets them out 1-2-3.  Tied at 3.



2-run triple in the top of the 12th. UTT leads 5-3.

Chitwood retires MC 1-2-3.

UTT wins, 5-3 , to clinch the AQ. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 09, 2010, 05:59:26 PM
That's what the ASC wanted.  Cannot imagine MC being left home with a 36-9 overall record and excellent in-region record, and the games this weekend should help their SOS out too.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: DavidNichols on May 09, 2010, 05:59:49 PM
Quote from: swbaseball3 on May 09, 2010, 01:38:28 PM
In the end, though, I believe we would all agree that the best two teams, right now, are in the finals for the crown.  MC played great early in the season, lost a little momentum in the UTT series only to rebound at the time they needed it.  As for UTT, well, they have really poured it on after the mid-season mark.  Assuming both will advance to the Regions, the ASC should be well represented.  Now we all become MC and UTT fans.

How do you figure on the losing momentum in the UTT series?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 09, 2010, 06:05:10 PM
UTT wins in 12 5-3. A great game with alot of drama. MC will get a bid they had to beat TLU twice in extra innings and forced UTT to 12. They just ran out of gas, UTT has a very good team and are a desrving champion. That is the second year in a row that they had to beat their division rival to win the ASC. Congratulations to both teams and also TLU desrves recognition as they are also a very good team. A good tournament again but we shall see how much MC has left for the regional.

Having to run to the regional this weekend does not give the pitching staff much recovery time.

It MC is not given a bid it would be a major travesty and I would loose all faith in the NCAA selection process.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: DavidNichols on May 09, 2010, 06:07:37 PM
I think the regionals don't start until the 19th, so if MC were fortunate enough to receive a bid, they would have a week and a half off.

http://www.ncaa.com/sports/m-basebl/champpage/m-basebl-div3-index.html
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 09, 2010, 06:25:38 PM
That is good because they need Tyler Seamon and he threw a tremendous amount of pitches this weekend. The cummulative effect on a pitcher is very hard to determine. They may look and feel good but then just can't hit the spots or loose a little velocity and all of sudden they are not the same and hittable. 130 plus pitches on top of what he threw on Friday is scarry.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on May 10, 2010, 12:06:11 AM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 09, 2010, 06:25:38 PM
That is good because they need Tyler Seamon and he threw a tremendous amount of pitches this weekend. The cummulative effect on a pitcher is very hard to determine. They may look and feel good but then just can't hit the spots or loose a little velocity and all of sudden they are not the same and hittable. 130 plus pitches on top of what he threw on Friday is scarry.

Seaman threw about 70 pitches Friday so it wasn't a typical start for him, it's not unusual for him to throw 100-120 pitches. I'm sure the plan wasn't to throw that many innings today, but he was dominant. After UT-Tyler strung three hits together in the 4th, Seaman only allowed two hits the rest of the game and was better the second half. I don't see this week affecting a regional that is a week and a half away, and MC has a very good athletic training staff that closely monitors and treats players.

Shane Bennett also threw great this weekend in his first innings this year. He allowed one hit and no earned runs in 3 2/3 huge innings to end both games today. Adding him makes the staff better for a regional. Cowart was good and I thought Chris Ferriss threw well in his start, and potentially Prescott could be back.

There were opportunities today but we just didn't make plays. We can swing it a lot better than we did this weekend and I think they will. Particularly considering the upcoming off-weekend, I could see this weekend being great preparation for a regional because those were four great games against solid opponents.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on May 10, 2010, 11:19:32 AM
Some Observations From the ASC Tourney:

-- Ralph you can edit if you must...

Best of luck to UTT and Miss in the regionals. I'd love to see TLU sneak in as a #6 seed and see what Orosey does against a #1 seed, but I just don't envision the ASC getting 3 bids when they've only received 2 once before. IF Miss gets shipped to a different region I expect they'll give the nod to Pac Lu (or the Redlands) regardless of what the numbers dictate.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on May 10, 2010, 11:34:45 AM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on May 10, 2010, 11:19:32 AM
Some Observations From the ASC Tourney:


  • With all due respect to Hardin Simmons they're not at the same level as the other three teams. Save for Berlin & Dixon there's a lot of different ways to get the rest of that lineup out.

With all due respect, every starter had at least one hit in both games and the Cowboys pounded out 26 hits in two games, I don't think HSU's offense was the problem. Throw in the fact that the leadoff hitter (Brian Weeks) and catalyst of the offense played with a broken hand on Friday and couldn't go on Saturday that changes the lineup a ton.

To say they are not on the same level is crazy talk when they lost 5-4 to the champion. [/list]
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on May 10, 2010, 12:03:14 PM
Quote from: hsusid on May 10, 2010, 11:34:45 AM
With all due respect, every starter had at least one hit in both games and the Cowboys pounded out 26 hits in two games, I don't think HSU's offense was the problem. Throw in the fact that the leadoff hitter (Brian Weeks) and catalyst of the offense played with a broken hand on Friday and couldn't go on Saturday that changes the lineup a ton.

To say they are not on the same level is crazy talk when they lost 5-4 to the champion.

1.) I told a friend at the tournament, Coleman always finds a way to get to the ASC tournament with what I believe are less talented teams. Kudos to him and the university for that achievement.
2.) Brian Weeks is a very good player that displayed a lot of heart playing on Friday. Sam Walker also pitched exceptionally well.
3.) They had a really good shot at winning game 1 against UTT, but they didn't. The score of one game isn't a good measure of a team's capability.
4.) The fact that they were 2 games over .500 while the other three teams won over 30 games is telling.
5.) I also think they were fortunate LA College beat UTD down the stretch and earned the #3 seed, because I'm not sure HSU takes 2 of 3 from UTD.
6.) In watching the team I never felt like they were going to win, I never felt like they thought they were going to win, so many balls fell in front of CF that should be caught if you get ANY semblance of a read off the bat. There were a number of factors that contributed to my opinion -- none of which were necessarily influence by the score of the games.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on May 11, 2010, 08:19:11 AM
The ASC Tournament was just a ton of fun.  Every game, save UTT/MC first go round, was a thriller.  Hats off to HSU for battling UTT to 5-4.  Everyone knows I'm a TLU guy so know that I am very proud of the boys for two extra inning affairs with MC.  Think about it, TLU had both of those games won and MC figured out how to stave off the wolves.

My thoughts as the regions begin:

- UTT really poured it on after their early season slump. (Predicted, BTW, in a post about 45 days ago)
- How about UTT with a lame-duck coach?  They could have cratered.
- Bell is a special kind of kid.  Clutch.  Classy.
- Walker pitched to his potential and that was fun to watch
- Orosey looked to get tired late season
- Congrats to Nockleby for the All-time hits crown
- TLU never gives up and that's not common in most teams
- Bennett has big ones.  How clutch was he?
- Seaman has a big arm/heart.  To pitch like that on Sunday.  Wow!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 11, 2010, 10:10:52 AM
Thanks for the synopsis. I have to disagree with the comment that TLU had both games vs MC virtually won. I think that kind of takes away from how MC played to basically assert that TLU gave them the game. I watched the whole first game and that was hardly the case. Maybe it was in the 2nd game (didnt catch that one), but definitely not the first.

The all time hits leader in the ASC is just one of the things Nokelby will be remembered for. He was as solid as they come as an all around player and a real class act on the field. Im just glad I was fortunate enough to compete against him.

Time to root for MC and UT Tyler in these regionals. We need one to win the regional to get more respect for this conference!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on May 11, 2010, 03:39:02 PM
Well, it's pretty simple.  Top of 8 in game one, TLU was up 5-4 with two outs and two on.  Orosey on the mound and he HITS two batters.  A 1st Team All-American and he hits two batters?!?

The second example is in the second game, it's 8 to 8 in the bottom of the 9th with a runner on first and 3rd and Childress at the plate.  He's probably the hottest hitter for TLU and he K's.  So, TLU was 90 feet minus the lead at third away from the win.

Now, one could argue that they didn't have it won but I would.  Also, I did say that MC figured out a way to win and good for them. I would stand by that comment based on that line score.

Finally, I am an ASC homer.  Go MC and UTT!  I hope they meet in the finals and it goes extras.  Just please knock off Chapman.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 11, 2010, 04:23:33 PM
Maybe we forgot how TLU scored to take the lead against MC's two best pitchers?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on May 11, 2010, 04:40:49 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on May 10, 2010, 11:19:32 AM
Some Observations From the ASC Tourney:


  • Why hasn't Shane Bennett (Miss) been on the bump all year? Throws it in there pretty good and was a good tool to have in the back pocket.
  • Speaking of Bennett, he came up big twice for Miss at the plate. In fact, there's no way I don't put him on with a base open once I go 2-0 against him in the 11th. Easy to say in retrospect and from the sidelines though.
  • Bo Bell can swing the stick. I know he was 0fer against UTT in the final game, but the kid can flat out hit. Class act too.
  • Cowart is good. Really good. Seamen battles as well. I hope they still have live arms a week and a half from now.
  • I don't think they're (Miss) quite as good at the plate as their #'s indicate. Bell and Herrin are tough outs, and Bennett can beat you with the hard and straight, but I think their performances this weekend are more in tune with what you could expect at a regional.

JSG

A couple of answers and comments. Bennett was arguably the best starter in the Fall along with Seaman. He's an upper 80's guy with three quality pitches, throws strikes, but he had some arm issues to open the Spring and I don't think the coaches wanted to take a chance on losing his bat. His arm is fine now, as everyone saw this weekend. That's a big addition.

With Brandon Martin transferring in at the break, the coaches thought they could have a very special DIII pitching staff. Seaman, Martin and Bennett all great arms, along with Chris Ferriss who had a solid year, Daniel Cowart has been great the last six weeks and has a rubber arm, coaches knew Terrell Prescott was good but he was a pleasant surprise to be that good. Then Bennett has arm issues, Martin is lost for the year, and Prescott goes down. It's better to be lucky than good sometimes and MC didn't have much luck this year with pitching.

Bo Bell will be missed in the lineup next year. He's had another great year, but he can carry a team when he's swinging it well.

Agree with your comments on Seaman and Cowart. Those guys were awesome this weekend. What Seaman did Sunday on short rest and against a good hitting team was tremendous, wish we could have gotten him the win.

I can see your opinion on the overall ability at the plate based on this weekend, and would probably say the same if that's what I had to go on. But having seen them all year I have no doubt they swing it better than that, particularly considering they roughed up the same Tyler pitchers a month ago. They've been hot for about six weeks now and were batting .399 in their last 19 games entering the tourney, it was bound to slow down at some point, you just can't stay that hot. Other than Orosey and Chitwood, they didn't face any dominant pitching, they just didn't perform well. I hope they find it again before the regional because they are capable of big numbers.

As long as they are in different regionals, I'm as big a Tyler fan as MC. It would be nice to have a couple teams represent the ASC well, and hopefully advance.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 11, 2010, 04:58:25 PM
The UTT team that won the ASC this year on paper is not nearly as good as last years team but probably will represent the ASC better than last years team. The team last year had on paper great starting pitching, a great closer and one of the best and arguably the most balanced hitting team in the ASC. Yet they underperformed in the regional tournament and were not that impressive in the ASC championships even though they came from behind and won it. Last year's team was 6-2 in the ASC tournament with a loss to MCM in the opening round and a loss to MC in the double ellimination round. They were only 1-2 in the regionals. This year's team was 5-0 in the ASC tournament and I expect them to do better than 1-2 in the regionals this year.

At the begining of the season I was sure this was a rebuilding year for UTT. They lost their entire pitching staff and 3/4 of their starting position players. The way they started at the begining of the season they sure looked like a team that was rebuilding. However, they slowly improved and by the end of the season became a real solid team. They don't have the stars that last years team had but are playing more like a cohesive unit. This club just might have the right chemistry to do something special.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on May 11, 2010, 06:26:40 PM
So, how in the world does TLU get ZERO position players on the 1st Team West All Conference?  BTW, I am not a big believer in sharing the wealth and making sure that every team is represented.  How do you win 15 games in the west, win by 2 games and believe that the players had not much to do with that?  Token 2nd team jesture...

The fact that Nockelby and Femath are sitting on second team, a joke.  This year, not a single team wanted Femath at the plate when he needed to get on.  As for Nockelby, he got as many clutch hits as any player in the conference.  Splain me that?!?  Oh, Femath hit .394/59 runs/21-22 SB's/1.000+ OPS.  Nockelby .414/72 hits/50 Runs/42 RBI's/1.100 OPS
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseballfanatic on May 11, 2010, 07:35:28 PM
I agree with swbaseball3, You win the conference and only get two pitchers on the first team. Nockelby was the best clutch hitter in the conference & Femath not only had good numbers on offense, but was also the best defensive second baseman in the conference. I guess this year they went with the popular vote & not the best all-around position player (both offense & defense).
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 11, 2010, 07:56:30 PM
Ill explain:

Player                       avg    gp-gs    ab    r    h    2b    3b    hr    rbi    bb    hbp    so    sb-att
Brennyn Smith      .427    35-35    150    35    64    12    0    11    47    6    0    19    2-3
Andrew Femath      .394    45-45    175    59    69    11    2    4    27    24    10    26    21-22

Joseph Villegas      .420    40-40    150    32    63    12    6    2    36    28    3    14    18-22
Jake Mullin            .462    38-37    132    44    61    19    1    11    44    33    4    21    4-5
Javier Arrieta              .404    35-35    141    39    57    14    1    12    45    18    0    11    13-21
Ryan Nokelby              .416    45-45    173    50    72    16    4    2    42    28    4    10    7-8


Someone had to draw the short straw. Pretty cut and dry though.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseballfanatic on May 11, 2010, 08:15:10 PM
Exactly, those are just offense numbers, what happened to the best all around position player. If you compare the defensive plays that Femath made, to the plays that Smith made, their is no comparison. Femath got to balls that no second baseman in the conference could get too. I believe Femath had 2 conference errors & 6 all year long ( to include the playoffs), with alot more chances (covered alot of ground).
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on May 11, 2010, 08:16:02 PM
Sometimes two or more great players play a position. That is part of it.

There is no doubt that Femath is a great player, but Smith's numbers were significantly better than his all the way around. Smith had three more errors 9-6, but he is a freshman. That is not a huge difference.

Same thing in the OF. Villegas, Arrietta and Mullin all had monster years. They are three of the best players in the conference. Nokelby and LeJuan Edwards from HSU had great years and in most years the years they had would have earned them first team honors.

TLU didn't win the West because they had the best players, they won because they were the best team. They pitch, make most of the plays and come up with the key two-out hits. It's the same formula they have been using for years. I was telling someone at the game on Friday they made more miscues in one inning (the 10th against MC) than I had ever seen them make total in my 11 years watching them play HSU.  
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 11, 2010, 08:24:21 PM
Not that its right, but I think most if not all of the coach's probably just look at offensive stats. Regardless, even if Smith made 20 errors this year, I dont think thats enough to trump those offensive numbers he put up. He had a beast of a year.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseballfanatic on May 11, 2010, 09:00:48 PM
I would rather have a player like Femath on my team (all confernce team) that gets 69 hits and scores 59 runs ,than someone that hits 11 homeruns and only scores 35 runs.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 11, 2010, 09:50:02 PM
Depends on the batter and what you need him to do. Youd be nuts to say you wouldnt take Smith's production. The only stat Femath has on him is runs. Id be willing to bet if he played 10 more games he would have gotten more than 69 hits, dont you?

Both are very fine players dont get me wrong. But to state that Femath got robbed of first team is a little silly.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseballfanatic on May 11, 2010, 10:20:46 PM
If you want to play the game of suppose: Suppose if Femath hadn't walked (24 times to 6 or HBP 10 to 0) he would have gotten more hits dont you think. Both players are good, but TLU should have had position players on the first team (Nokelby,Femath or Childress). In every league (baseball,football,etc.....) the first place team usually gets the most players in the first team (except the ASC).
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 11, 2010, 10:31:13 PM
Quote from: baseballfanatic on May 11, 2010, 09:00:48 PM
I would rather have a player like Femath on my team (all confernce team) that gets 69 hits and scores 59 runs ,than someone that hits 11 homeruns and only scores 35 runs.
You just made hsusid's point.

Look who was able to bring Femath home to score, his teammates.   :)

Would McMurry have made the playoffs without Mullin? 

Walker for HSU?  What a horse!

Arrieta?  Sully had their best season in nearly a decade!

TLU has West Division rings!  Mullin, Walker and Arrieta would trade All-Division for those rings.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseballfanatic on May 11, 2010, 10:37:39 PM
Without teammates that get on base your other teammates could not drive you in.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 11, 2010, 10:40:21 PM
Its going to be hard to suppose up 30 points in batting average, 7 homeruns, and 20 RBIs with those walks.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseballfanatic on May 11, 2010, 10:46:14 PM
Its still a joke that TLU did not get any position players on the first team. My opinion.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 11, 2010, 10:46:30 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 11, 2010, 10:31:13 PM
Quote from: baseballfanatic on May 11, 2010, 09:00:48 PM
I would rather have a player like Femath on my team (all confernce team) that gets 69 hits and scores 59 runs ,than someone that hits 11 homeruns and only scores 35 runs.
You just made hsusid's point.

Look who was able to bring Femath home to score, his teammates.   :)

Would McMurry have made the playoffs without Mullin? 

Walker for HSU?  What a horse!

Arrieta?  Sully had their best season in nearly a decade!

TLU has West Division rings!  Mullin, Walker and Arrieta would trade All-Division for those rings.


You hit it right on Ralph. These kids would trade in their individual accolades to win the division or the conference any day of the week.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 11, 2010, 10:49:06 PM
Quote from: dp643 on May 11, 2010, 10:46:30 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 11, 2010, 10:31:13 PM
Quote from: baseballfanatic on May 11, 2010, 09:00:48 PM
I would rather have a player like Femath on my team (all confernce team) that gets 69 hits and scores 59 runs ,than someone that hits 11 homeruns and only scores 35 runs.
You just made hsusid's point.

Look who was able to bring Femath home to score, his teammates.   :)

Would McMurry have made the playoffs without Mullin? 

Walker for HSU?  What a horse!

Arrieta?  Sully had their best season in nearly a decade!

TLU has West Division rings!  Mullin, Walker and Arrieta would trade All-Division for those rings.


You hit it right on Ralph. These kids would trade in their individual accolades to win the division or the conference any day of the week.
IMHO, the "Division" is a "conference" and we just have a big huge "play-in tourney" between the East and the West! 

TLU has a Pool A bid if we are 2 conferences.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 11, 2010, 10:50:18 PM
You're right Ralph. This also shows how solid 1 through 9 this TLU team was. No shame in that.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on May 11, 2010, 10:51:19 PM
One thing I would like to point out on this board that is totally unrelated to this discussion is the career of Regan Dixon. He became the first player in ASC history to have a better than .400 average for his career. He hit .403 in his four years breaking the old mark of Brett Rosen of UTD. Most people don't think of Regan as an average guy but his final career numbers are all HSU records.

Highest batting avg.: (.403)
Highest slugging pct.: (.748)
Highest on base pct.: (.484)
Most home runs: (34)

He was an All-American last year and will probably be again this year.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 11, 2010, 10:55:16 PM
Are you sure he is the only one? Villegas had a career .428 batting average which if Im not mistaken is the conference career record.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseballfanatic on May 11, 2010, 10:56:36 PM
TLU will always be in the hunt for a conference championship, because the coaching staff gets players that believe in TEAM first, but the conference should not punish them by not getting any position players on the first team.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on May 11, 2010, 11:03:53 PM
Quote from: dp643 on May 11, 2010, 10:55:16 PM
Are you sure he is the only one? Villegas had a career .428 batting average which if Im not mistaken is the conference career record.

DP643, You are correct my bad. I looked at the ASC career records today and they are updated at the end of each year. I didn't even think about Villegas since he is also a current guy.

I am not disappointed to see Villegas and Arrieta graduate. They are two of the best hitters I have seen in the league since I have been around. Of course there have been others, but those two have worn us out.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 11, 2010, 11:12:31 PM
Arrieta is close to 400 too. Some very good hitters graduating this year!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 11, 2010, 11:30:31 PM
Quote from: baseballfanatic on May 11, 2010, 10:56:36 PM
TLU will always be in the hunt for a conference championship, because the coaching staff gets players that believe in TEAM first, but the conference should not punish them by not getting any position players on the first team.
you don't honestly think that during the voting the coaches all decided to stick it to tlu because they won? That sounds ridiculous. The numbers were there this year for just as deserving guys. Last year was a different story.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on May 12, 2010, 09:33:48 AM
Quote from: baseballfanatic on May 11, 2010, 09:00:48 PM
I would rather have a player like Femath on my team (all confernce team) that gets 69 hits and scores 59 runs ,than someone that hits 11 homeruns and only scores 35 runs.

I love it when guys write about themselves:)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tigerfan_2001 on May 12, 2010, 09:48:30 AM
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 12, 2010, 09:33:48 AM
Quote from: baseballfanatic on May 11, 2010, 09:00:48 PM
I would rather have a player like Femath on my team (all confernce team) that gets 69 hits and scores 59 runs ,than someone that hits 11 homeruns and only scores 35 runs.

I love it when guys write about themselves:)
zing
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on May 12, 2010, 01:12:07 PM
Gentlemen/Ladies --

Stats can be VERY deceiving.  Me, I am a BIG Brennyn Smith fan.  Love him.  That said, SR plays in Denver, Colorado.  Smith wouldn't have hit 5 HR's in Seguin or Tyler or anywhere other than Alpine.  Good hitter, yes.  The next coming of, um um, TODD HELTON, no?

I watched the SR/TLU series.  Smith went something like 1 for 13.  Better pitching and not playing at 5,000 feet certainly was the difference.

So, three cheers for Smith and he is good.  He's a .375 hitter or less elsewhere.  Still deserved of kudos and awards but come on.  BTW, Arrietta, he hit 2 balls in Seguin that were 900 feet out at SR.  Result at Katt-Isbel?  Outs at the warning track.

In conclusion, how inthe world do you keep Nockleby, the All-time hits leader, 3-time ASC West Champion, .414 hitter, clutch player to the max off the team?  No one can tell me he didn't deserve it.  Femath, well, a HUGE catalyst on the West Championship team and scored a billion runs.  Oh, I didn't believe Andre Dawson should have won have won MVP for the last place Cubs either.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on May 12, 2010, 01:18:48 PM
Quote from: hsusid on May 11, 2010, 10:51:19 PM
One thing I would like to point out on this board that is totally unrelated to this discussion is the career of Regan Dixon. He became the first player in ASC history to have a better than .400 average for his career. He hit .403 in his four years breaking the old mark of Brett Rosen of UTD. Most people don't think of Regan as an average guy but his final career numbers are all HSU records.

Highest batting avg.: (.403)
Highest slugging pct.: (.748)
Highest on base pct.: (.484)
Most home runs: (34)

He was an All-American last year and will probably be again this year.

Stud player.  Agreed.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 12, 2010, 01:19:25 PM
All of the comments so far have been on the picks in the west division. I thought I would add my 2 cents for a gripe on a pick in the east.  I thought that the UTT coaching staff should have been given the award this year. Vilade and Phelps in essence had to build a brand new team and did so in impressive fashion wining not only the east but the ASC. For whatever reason Vilade is not given the credit he is due. Yes he is a great recruiter but it is unheard of to replace virtually your entire team and come back and win the championship with a new bunch.  That is coaching - great coaching. The staff should get credit for that!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on May 12, 2010, 01:25:41 PM
Not being an East guy, I would ask one quick question.  Didn't UTT get 2 or 3 of LeTourneau's best players to transfer?  If I'm not mistaken, coaches and SID's vote for this stuff and they vote without being on a call or in a meeting.  One has to wonder if there is a little bit of a bias with respect to UTT if indeed rival coaches think UTT is getting their players in a less than conventional way.   How was that for politically correct?

Just curious.  I cast no stones in a glass house
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 12, 2010, 01:46:45 PM
Quote from: swbaseball3 on May 12, 2010, 01:12:07 PM
Gentlemen/Ladies --

Stats can be VERY deceiving.  Me, I am a BIG Brennyn Smith fan.  Love him.  That said, SR plays in Denver, Colorado.  Smith wouldn't have hit 5 HR's in Seguin or Tyler or anywhere other than Alpine.  Good hitter, yes.  The next coming of, um um, TODD HELTON, no?

I watched the SR/TLU series.  Smith went something like 1 for 13.  Better pitching and not playing at 5,000 feet certainly was the difference.

So, three cheers for Smith and he is good.  He's a .375 hitter or less elsewhere.  Still deserved of kudos and awards but come on.  BTW, Arrietta, he hit 2 balls in Seguin that were 900 feet out at SR.  Result at Katt-Isbel?  Outs at the warning track.

In conclusion, how inthe world do you keep Nockleby, the All-time hits leader, 3-time ASC West Champion, .414 hitter, clutch player to the max off the team?  No one can tell me he didn't deserve it.  Femath, well, a HUGE catalyst on the West Championship team and scored a billion runs.  Oh, I didn't believe Andre Dawson should have won have won MVP for the last place Cubs either.

Come on. This is getting ridiculous. Playing in alpine adds 50 points to his average? Lets get real.

The dude in conference games only (21 games for both) hit 37 points higher than Femath. Thats 18 games against the same pitchers. The only difference is Smith had to face TLU's staff (2nd best statistically in the west conference only games), and Femath got to Face SRSU's staff (7th best statistically in the west in conference games only). He also faced the top 2 (UMHB and TLU) on the road.

Why cant you guys just admit he deserved it, and that Femath was just unfortunate to have to go against those types of numbers?

Nokelby was one of 5 or 6 Outfielders that probably deserved first team. Someone had to be bumped.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 12, 2010, 01:57:33 PM
UTT did get 2 transfers from ETBU not LeTourneau.  One player at ETBU did the same thing a year ago as a senior. Why these players wanted to transfer I think says more about the ETBU program than is does about UTT.  For whatever reason they wanted out and approached UTT which was willing to take them. UTT cannot raid another team by approaching the players and try to get them to transfer that would be an NCAA violation. However, if the player wants out and approaches another team that is different. I also think that UTT and ETBU had to discuss this and UTT had to get sign off from ETBU (not positive on that) perhaps someone else can fill in the details of what it takes for transfer to another team in the conference.  
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on May 12, 2010, 02:24:43 PM
Just to clear the SIDs names in this debate, we DO NOT vote in the postseason awards by the ASC. We do vote in the preseason polls, but not the postseason awards.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on May 12, 2010, 02:33:14 PM
Quote from: swbaseball3 on May 12, 2010, 01:12:07 PM
BTW, Arrietta, he hit 2 balls in Seguin that were 900 feet out at SR.  Result at Katt-Isbel?  Outs at the warning track.

As I understood it they would've been out of Katt-Isbel as well had the wind not been howling in for the duration of that series.

I have no qualms with Smith over Femath or the three OFs over Nokelby.

Like others have said, it was just an unfortunate year where it was crowded at the top. It's very tough for coaches to vote on players based on what they see during one weekend, and it's even tougher to measure intangibles like clutchness and team leadership in a stat column. That's why stats end up being the default factor. Kudos to both TLU guys on incredible careers. They'll both be missed no doubt, and while I wouldn't argue the other way if either of them received 1st team, then isn't the travesty the TLU homers are making it out to be.

------------------------

I *think* I agree with the UTT staff for staff of the year. Salient points TexasBB.

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Am I the only one that thinks we should do away with honorable mention all together?

I realize the value in highlighting players for their achievements, but I think it dilutes the validity of the award when you have the 6th best player (of 8) sometimes receiving all-conference honors.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on May 12, 2010, 04:07:01 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 12, 2010, 01:57:33 PM
UTT did get 2 transfers from ETBU not LeTourneau.  One player at ETBU did the same thing a year ago as a senior. Why these players wanted to transfer I think says more about the ETBU program than is does about UTT.  For whatever reason they wanted out and approached UTT which was willing to take them. UTT cannot raid another team by approaching the players and try to get them to transfer that would be an NCAA violation. However, if the player wants out and approaches another team that is different. I also think that UTT and ETBU had to discuss this and UTT had to get sign off from ETBU (not positive on that) perhaps someone else can fill in the details of what it takes for transfer to another team in the conference.   

DIII players self-release themselves, so there isn't signing off. Players fill out the self-release form allowing them to talk to another DIII school, and prohibiting coaches from contacting their previous school for 30 days. At the end of the 30 days, they can fill out another form for another 30 days so they are basically already at the new school before their previous coaches know about it. As long as you're academically and athletically eligible, you can transfer without losing a year.

It wouldn't be a first in the ASC if coaches wouldn't vote for Tyler for that reason. ETBU transfers (Willard, Schimph) pitched ten of the twelve innings to beat MC. A third ETBU transfer (Jones) led the team in homers and RBI this year. MC lost Paige Hodges two years ago, and he came back to help Tyler beat MC in the title game. I'm not familiar with ETBU's program, but I know MC's is run by quality, respected coaches so I don't think that would say anything bad about them. Regardless if it was completely above board or not, it opens you up to criticism, particularly with other coaches.

But transferring is a big part of DIII. MC probably isn't as involved in it just because we're so far outside of the league, but we've had kids transfer from other ASC schools. I remember a football DT from ETBU who became an all-american, and an All-ASC point guard from LeTourneau, but I can't remember any baseball players. I do think I remember a few players who went back and forth with HSU and McMurry in other sports.

My opinion, nobody knows for sure how those players ended up at Tyler except for the coaches and players, and there could have been legitimate reasons. They won on the field and have back-to-back ASC titles, so I doubt they are losing any sleep over the coach-of-the-year award. MC had chances each year and we just couldn't get over the hump. I wish Tyler well in their regional, it would be great for the ASC to win one.

Edited: I meant to add this. Don't discount how good a job the LC coaches did. I thought the Tyler coaches would win the award because they did do a great job, but you could make a strong argument that LC did more with less than any team in the ASC.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on May 12, 2010, 06:06:02 PM
Enough debate.  Smith is very good.  Stats are very good.

I will not change on this fact.  No pitcher wants to pitch on Colorado and all hitters want to be there.  If you don't think for one minute that a player in Alpine gets 7, yup, seven hits in Alipne because of the ball carry...well, then you've never played baseball at altitude.  BTW, 7 hits at 150 AB's is about 50 points.

There were a bunch of great players this year and yes, someone has to lose out.  Bummer it was TLU guys.  I am sure they won't get a better job or a first day raise when the resume says 1st Team or 2nd Team!!

One last comment and then I will shut up.  To dp643....Do you really, I mean really think that Todd Helton is a better hitter than Willie Mays or Rod Carew or George Brett?  Or would you say that he is a great hitter that hits in Colorado.  BTW, Helton .327 and Willie...305.  No response necessary.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 12, 2010, 06:22:32 PM
Theres no point in arguing with you over this. I argue facts that dont change....what actually happened. Your talking points are all what if's.

Heres another thing to ponder Swbaseball, and Mr. Femath...

Andrew Femath               .390 average, 25 runs scored, 2 homers, 11 RBI

Kyle Lloyd (HPU)              .409 average, 21 runs scored, 3 homers, 15 RBI

Conference stats only listed above. Why arent we crying for Kyle Lloyd to be first team all conference?

I guess Kyle Lloyd's accomplishments should have an asterisk next to it because he had 10 hits on the road in Alpine.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseballfanatic on May 12, 2010, 07:22:33 PM
To dp643 & Big Poppa, you guys are wrong again. I dont think that TLU players would come in here and post with people like me  & you, they are too smart. I am just a baseball fanatic that follows baseball (Juco,D2 & D3). Go UT Tyler & represent the ASC in regionals.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on May 12, 2010, 07:26:13 PM
Texas-Tyler in as a Pool A
Mississippi College looks like it will be in as a Pool C

I dont see any more Pool C's coming from ASC...

Will both be flying to Oregon ?? ???

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on May 12, 2010, 07:59:03 PM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 12, 2010, 07:26:13 PM
Texas-Tyler in as a Pool A
Mississippi College looks like it will be in as a Pool C

I dont see any more Pool C's coming from ASC...

Will both be flying to Oregon ?? ???



I don't know if you mentioned this or not, but I could see Pacific Lutheran getting in because they are a bus ride to Linfield, which would keep TLU out. I think MC heads somewhere else.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on May 12, 2010, 08:50:55 PM
Team   Regional Rec   Win %   OWP   OOWP   SOS
217 Pacific Lutheran   23-10   0.697   0.493   0.496   0.494
224 Texas Lutheran   29-13   0.690   0.492   0.498   0.494

Look almost identical to me...But ASC already will have 2 going to regional so I am putting my money on Pac Lu getting #6 seed to Oregon.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 12, 2010, 09:17:28 PM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 12, 2010, 08:50:55 PM
Team   Regional Rec   Win %   OWP   OOWP   SOS
217 Pacific Lutheran   23-10   0.697   0.493   0.496   0.494
224 Texas Lutheran   29-13   0.690   0.492   0.498   0.494

Look almost identical to me...But ASC already will have 2 going to regional so I am putting my money on Pac Lu getting #6 seed to Oregon.
In-region record versus ranked opponents:

Pac Lu vs. Linfield 1-3

TLU vs. UT-Tyler  2-0 (assuming that they move into the rankings; one game went 10 innings)
      vs. Trinity     0-2
      vs. MissColl   0-2  (both games went extra innings)

Seconday criteria:

TLU vs DeSales   1-0 (out of region ranked opponent but Desales may not be in the next rankings)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on May 12, 2010, 10:41:31 PM
TLU would be in big trouble if the baseball God's called their number.  Everyone split and kids are all home.  My call....not a chance they get it anyway.  Good year but needed to win one/two of those Trinity/MC games.  The real bummer on the Trinity games is they were mid-week and TLU pitched mid-week guys.  Both times, Trinity threw weekend starters.  Oh, well.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on May 12, 2010, 10:45:39 PM
Quote from: dp643 on May 12, 2010, 06:22:32 PM
Theres no point in arguing with you over this. I argue facts that dont change....what actually happened. Your talking points are all what if's.

Heres another thing to ponder Swbaseball, and Mr. Femath...

Andrew Femath               .390 average, 25 runs scored, 2 homers, 11 RBI

Kyle Lloyd (HPU)              .409 average, 21 runs scored, 3 homers, 15 RBI

Conference stats only listed above. Why arent we crying for Kyle Lloyd to be first team all conference?

I guess Kyle Lloyd's accomplishments should have an asterisk next to it because he had 10 hits on the road in Alpine.

He got HOW MANY HITS IN ALPINE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?  3.3 hits per game?  Send him to the HOF now.

None the less, discussion done but you NEVER responded to my Helton/Mays question.  Why?  Becasue altitude is a HUGE advantage.  Period.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tigerfan_2001 on May 12, 2010, 10:46:56 PM
Quote from: baseballfanatic on May 12, 2010, 07:22:33 PM
To dp643 & Big Poppa, you guys are wrong again. I dont think that TLU players would come in here and post with people like me  & you, they are too smart. I am just a baseball fanatic that follows baseball (Juco,D2 & D3). Go UT Tyler & represent the ASC in regionals.
I think they are going more on the fact that your email address is the same last name as one of the players you were arguing should have made all conf.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 12, 2010, 10:49:18 PM
Thats one thing Trinity has always done is throw their big guns in the mid week games. I remember one double header we played them in between a short conference week and we had to face Bronson and Oates. Its the nature of the beast I guess.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 12, 2010, 10:51:12 PM
Quote from: baseballfanatic on May 12, 2010, 07:22:33 PM
To dp643 & Big Poppa, you guys are wrong again. I dont think that TLU players would come in here and post with people like me  & you, they are too smart. I am just a baseball fanatic that follows baseball (Juco,D2 & D3). Go UT Tyler & represent the ASC in regionals.

It has to do with the fact that your email address is the same first and last name of the father of Andrew Femath on the TLU player bio page.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 12, 2010, 10:55:21 PM
Quote from: swbaseball3 on May 12, 2010, 10:45:39 PM
Quote from: dp643 on May 12, 2010, 06:22:32 PM
Theres no point in arguing with you over this. I argue facts that dont change....what actually happened. Your talking points are all what if's.

Heres another thing to ponder Swbaseball, and Mr. Femath...

Andrew Femath               .390 average, 25 runs scored, 2 homers, 11 RBI

Kyle Lloyd (HPU)              .409 average, 21 runs scored, 3 homers, 15 RBI

Conference stats only listed above. Why arent we crying for Kyle Lloyd to be first team all conference?

I guess Kyle Lloyd's accomplishments should have an asterisk next to it because he had 10 hits on the road in Alpine.

He got HOW MANY HITS IN ALPINE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?  3.3 hits per game?  Send him to the HOF now.

None the less, discussion done but you NEVER responded to my Helton/Mays question.  Why?  Becasue altitude is a HUGE advantage.  Period.

You said no need to respond to it so I didnt.

I will say this though....anyone who can hit for a career 326 batting average in the big leagues is a darn good hitter, whether you are playing on the moon or inside the Astrodome is irrelevant.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 12, 2010, 11:03:54 PM
Quote from: swbaseball3 on May 12, 2010, 10:41:31 PM
TLU would be in big trouble if the baseball God's called their number.  Everyone split and kids are all home.  My call....not a chance they get it anyway.  Good year but needed to win one/two of those Trinity/MC games.  The real bummer on the Trinity games is they were mid-week and TLU pitched mid-week guys.  Both times, Trinity threw weekend starters.  Oh, well.
Quote from: dp643 on May 12, 2010, 10:49:18 PM
Thats one thing Trinity has always done is throw their big guns in the mid week games. I remember one double header we played them in between a short conference week and we had to face Bronson and Oates. Its the nature of the beast I guess.

In the first game with TU (4-2 TU win), TU pitched their #1 Klimesh.

In the second game (the 12-1 TU win), TU pitches Lucero, their #4 starter.

http://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/bsb/2009-10/stats/teamcume.htm

TU has scheduled their mid-week games masterfully.  I think that the 2-3 SCAC-West schedule works to the SCAC advantage vs the ASC-West teams.  TU was able to pitch their #1 because they had a two-game series at Hendrix on Saturday and Sunday before the Tuesday TLU game.  This is the weekend before the Millsaps series.

Quote
Sat Apr. 10      at Austin *           W, 8-2      Final     
Sun Apr. 11    at Austin *       W, 19-3    Final - 7 innings    
Tue Apr. 13    at Schreiner       W, 16-4    Final    
Wed Apr. 14    at Texas Lutheran       W, 12-1    Final
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tigerfan_2001 on May 13, 2010, 08:51:53 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 12, 2010, 11:03:54 PM
Quote from: swbaseball3 on May 12, 2010, 10:41:31 PM
TLU would be in big trouble if the baseball God's called their number.  Everyone split and kids are all home.  My call....not a chance they get it anyway.  Good year but needed to win one/two of those Trinity/MC games.  The real bummer on the Trinity games is they were mid-week and TLU pitched mid-week guys.  Both times, Trinity threw weekend starters.  Oh, well.
Quote from: dp643 on May 12, 2010, 10:49:18 PM
Thats one thing Trinity has always done is throw their big guns in the mid week games. I remember one double header we played them in between a short conference week and we had to face Bronson and Oates. Its the nature of the beast I guess.

In the first game with TU (4-2 TU win), TU pitched their #1 Klimesh.

In the second game (the 12-1 TU win), TU pitches Lucero, their #4 starter.

http://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/bsb/2009-10/stats/teamcume.htm

TU has scheduled their mid-week games masterfully.  I think that the 2-3 SCAC-West schedule works to the SCAC advantage vs the ASC-West teams.  TU was able to pitch their #1 because they had a two-game series at Hendrix on Saturday and Sunday before the Tuesday TLU game.  This is the weekend before the Millsaps series.

Quote
Sat Apr. 10      at Austin *           W, 8-2      Final     
Sun Apr. 11    at Austin *       W, 19-3    Final - 7 innings    
Tue Apr. 13    at Schreiner       W, 16-4    Final    
Wed Apr. 14    at Texas Lutheran       W, 12-1    Final
I think part of that is that Coach Scannell wants to win every time, not just the conference series.  Often time, the conf series games arent as tough as the mid week games and usually the ASC are higher ranked than the SCAC, so those are the games he goes after.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bmo on May 13, 2010, 09:01:58 AM
At the time of the first game, Klimesh wasn't exactly TUs #1.  He grew into the role over the season, but during the first half of the season the weekend starters were Solomon, Panozzo, and Robertson.  TLU faced Trinity's 4th starter twice, not a stashed ace in a mid-week game.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on May 13, 2010, 09:10:49 AM
Quote from: dp643 on May 12, 2010, 10:51:12 PM
Quote from: baseballfanatic on May 12, 2010, 07:22:33 PM
To dp643 & Big Poppa, you guys are wrong again. I dont think that TLU players would come in here and post with people like me  & you, they are too smart. I am just a baseball fanatic that follows baseball (Juco,D2 & D3). Go UT Tyler & represent the ASC in regionals.

It has to do with the fact that your email address is the same first and last name of the father of Andrew Femath on the TLU player bio page.

So maybe I was wrong and it wasn't a player boasting about himself, but a father boasting about his son and making a case for him to be all-conference.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: OshDude on May 13, 2010, 09:12:15 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 12, 2010, 09:17:28 PM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 12, 2010, 08:50:55 PM
Team   Regional Rec   Win %   OWP   OOWP   SOS
217 Pacific Lutheran   23-10   0.697   0.493   0.496   0.494
224 Texas Lutheran   29-13   0.690   0.492   0.498   0.494

Look almost identical to me...But ASC already will have 2 going to regional so I am putting my money on Pac Lu getting #6 seed to Oregon.
In-region record versus ranked opponents:

Pac Lu vs. Linfield 1-3

TLU vs. UT-Tyler  2-0 (assuming that they move into the rankings; one game went 10 innings)
      vs. Trinity     0-2
      vs. MissColl   0-2  (both games went extra innings)

Seconday criteria:

TLU vs DeSales   1-0 (out of region ranked opponent but Desales may not be in the next rankings)
As far as DeSales goes, "once ranked, always ranked." At least this season.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 13, 2010, 09:14:09 AM
Klimesh started and threw more innings than anyone on the staff, including 2 big in region mid week games vs UMHB and TLU, both of which he threw complete games against.

Robertson may have started the year as a weekend pitcher, but I dont think that he was bumped half way through the season since he has only started 2 games all year.

Like it or not Trinity has a history of throwing big guns in mid week games vs the ASC. Ive witnessed this trend for many years.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bmo on May 13, 2010, 09:32:32 AM
Robertson began the season as a weekend starter, but had some injury issues that pushed him out of the rotation.  Klimesh took over that spot after the MHB and TLU games.  Klimesh was 1-6 with 8.57 ERA the previous year.  Although, he obviously has a lot of talent, he was not counted on as a weekend starter at that point in the season. He never took the bump in the first three game series against conference foe Austin.  The mid-game ace theory just doesn't work this time.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on May 13, 2010, 09:45:49 AM
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 13, 2010, 09:10:49 AM
Quote from: dp643 on May 12, 2010, 10:51:12 PM
Quote from: baseballfanatic on May 12, 2010, 07:22:33 PM
To dp643 & Big Poppa, you guys are wrong again. I dont think that TLU players would come in here and post with people like me  & you, they are too smart. I am just a baseball fanatic that follows baseball (Juco,D2 & D3). Go UT Tyler & represent the ASC in regionals.

It has to do with the fact that your email address is the same first and last name of the father of Andrew Femath on the TLU player bio page.

So maybe I was wrong and it wasn't a player boasting about himself, but a father boasting about his son and making a case for him to be all-conference.
Coaches dont read this or care. Not sure who he was trying to win over either..
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tigerfan_2001 on May 13, 2010, 09:49:11 AM
Quote from: OshDude on May 13, 2010, 09:12:15 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 12, 2010, 09:17:28 PM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 12, 2010, 08:50:55 PM
Team   Regional Rec   Win %   OWP   OOWP   SOS
217 Pacific Lutheran   23-10   0.697   0.493   0.496   0.494
224 Texas Lutheran   29-13   0.690   0.492   0.498   0.494

Look almost identical to me...But ASC already will have 2 going to regional so I am putting my money on Pac Lu getting #6 seed to Oregon.
In-region record versus ranked opponents:

Pac Lu vs. Linfield 1-3

TLU vs. UT-Tyler  2-0 (assuming that they move into the rankings; one game went 10 innings)
      vs. Trinity     0-2
      vs. MissColl   0-2  (both games went extra innings)

Seconday criteria:

TLU vs DeSales   1-0 (out of region ranked opponent but Desales may not be in the next rankings)
As far as DeSales goes, "once ranked, always ranked." At least this season.
Is that true...then TU went 2-0 v DeSales, 2-0 v TLU, and 1-1 v Millsaps, making them 5-1 v ranked opponents.  I thought it was just in region ranked opponents that mattered.

With regards to Klimesh, he was being counted on to be a major contributor to the Tiger staff this year and him throwing against UMHB and TLU was no accident, the results were a little surprising....
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: OshDude on May 13, 2010, 09:56:24 AM
Quote from: tigerfan_2001 on May 13, 2010, 09:49:11 AM
Quote from: OshDude on May 13, 2010, 09:12:15 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 12, 2010, 09:17:28 PM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 12, 2010, 08:50:55 PM
Team   Regional Rec   Win %   OWP   OOWP   SOS
217 Pacific Lutheran   23-10   0.697   0.493   0.496   0.494
224 Texas Lutheran   29-13   0.690   0.492   0.498   0.494

Look almost identical to me...But ASC already will have 2 going to regional so I am putting my money on Pac Lu getting #6 seed to Oregon.
In-region record versus ranked opponents:

Pac Lu vs. Linfield 1-3

TLU vs. UT-Tyler  2-0 (assuming that they move into the rankings; one game went 10 innings)
     vs. Trinity     0-2
     vs. MissColl   0-2  (both games went extra innings)

Seconday criteria:

TLU vs DeSales   1-0 (out of region ranked opponent but Desales may not be in the next rankings)
As far as DeSales goes, "once ranked, always ranked." At least this season.
Is that true...then TU went 2-0 v DeSales, 2-0 v TLU, and 1-1 v Millsaps, making them 5-1 v ranked opponents.  I thought it was just in region ranked opponents that mattered.

With regards to Klimesh, he was being counted on to be a major contributor to the Tiger staff this year and him throwing against UMHB and TLU was no accident, the results were a little surprising....
Results against nonregional opponents, ranked or otherwise, fall under the secondary criteria.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on May 13, 2010, 10:00:44 AM
TLU vs. UT-Tyler  2-0     vs. Trinity     0-2   vs. MissColl   0-2  Makes it 2-4. :-[
Not good enough for a Pool C.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 13, 2010, 10:01:32 AM
Quote from: Bmo on May 13, 2010, 09:32:32 AM
Robertson began the season as a weekend starter, but had some injury issues that pushed him out of the rotation.  Klimesh took over that spot after the MHB and TLU games.  Klimesh was 1-6 with 8.57 ERA the previous year.  Although, he obviously has a lot of talent, he was not counted on as a weekend starter at that point in the season. He never took the bump in the first three game series against conference foe Austin.  The mid-game ace theory just doesn't work this time.

Klimesh didnt pitch that weekend vs Austin because he threw a complete game shutout on Wednesday vs UMHB.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 13, 2010, 10:08:42 AM
Quote from: tigerfan_2001 on May 13, 2010, 08:51:53 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 12, 2010, 11:03:54 PM
Quote from: swbaseball3 on May 12, 2010, 10:41:31 PM
TLU would be in big trouble if the baseball God's called their number.  Everyone split and kids are all home.  My call....not a chance they get it anyway.  Good year but needed to win one/two of those Trinity/MC games.  The real bummer on the Trinity games is they were mid-week and TLU pitched mid-week guys.  Both times, Trinity threw weekend starters.  Oh, well.
Quote from: dp643 on May 12, 2010, 10:49:18 PM
Thats one thing Trinity has always done is throw their big guns in the mid week games. I remember one double header we played them in between a short conference week and we had to face Bronson and Oates. Its the nature of the beast I guess.

In the first game with TU (4-2 TU win), TU pitched their #1 Klimesh.

In the second game (the 12-1 TU win), TU pitches Lucero, their #4 starter.

http://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/bsb/2009-10/stats/teamcume.htm

TU has scheduled their mid-week games masterfully.  I think that the 2-3 SCAC-West schedule works to the SCAC advantage vs the ASC-West teams.  TU was able to pitch their #1 because they had a two-game series at Hendrix on Saturday and Sunday before the Tuesday TLU game.  This is the weekend before the Millsaps series.

Quote
Sat Apr. 10      at Austin *           W, 8-2      Final     
Sun Apr. 11    at Austin *       W, 19-3    Final - 7 innings    
Tue Apr. 13    at Schreiner       W, 16-4    Final    
Wed Apr. 14    at Texas Lutheran       W, 12-1    Final
I think part of that is that Coach Scannell wants to win every time, not just the conference series.  Often time, the conf series games arent as tough as the mid week games and usually the ASC are higher ranked than the SCAC, so those are the games he goes after.

For a team like Trinity or any other team that thinks that they have post-season chances, the in-region games count as much as conference games, once you  have taken care of business in the conference.

We ASC teams benefit from playing the SCAC schools, too.

We will benefit more when we have 2 separate "ASC" conferences.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 13, 2010, 10:18:11 AM
I dont have a problem with Trinity throwing whoever the heck they want to at anytime. Its their decision. Theres been years where they have thrown all weekend starters in midweek games, only to lose as well. Its a gamble that I personally wouldnt take, but thats the beauty of having a different coaching philosophy. It also doesnt mean one philosophy is right or wrong either.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 13, 2010, 10:26:16 AM
Quote from: OshDude on May 13, 2010, 09:56:24 AM
Quote from: tigerfan_2001 on May 13, 2010, 09:49:11 AMIs that true...then TU went 2-0 v DeSales, 2-0 v TLU, and 1-1 v Millsaps, making them 5-1 v ranked opponents.  I thought it was just in region ranked opponents that mattered.

Results against nonregional opponents, ranked or otherwise, fall under the secondary criteria.

This boils down to a question I asked on the West Divisional playoff thread ... last week's official NCAA data used in regional ranking calculations showed Trinity as 1-1 against regionally ranked opponents.  There's quite a difference between 1-1 and 3-1 (plus 2-0 against other regionally ranked opponents) so I hope they get it right this week.   
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SandGnats on May 13, 2010, 02:56:27 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 13, 2010, 10:08:42 AM
We will benefit more when we have 2 separate "ASC" conferences.

Never going to happen.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 17, 2010, 04:31:52 PM
The ASC gets a pool c and nothing on the board all day?! Whats going on?!?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 17, 2010, 05:15:24 PM
You might have better luck on the West Regional board ... that's where most ppl tend to go to talk about the teams still in it.  Have seen some MC discussion there, nothing about UTT (where are the UTT fans, anyway?).
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on May 17, 2010, 09:37:38 PM
Quote from: dp643 on May 17, 2010, 04:31:52 PM
The ASC gets a pool c and nothing on the board all day?! Whats going on?!?

Not much talk, because it was no surprise at all. Mississippi College was in win or lose by its body of work the whole year and in region. They earned it, and will provide another brutal opponent in a "death regional" in my opinion. Whoever advances out of the Linfield Regional deserves to represent at the World Series.

Probably one of the, if not the, best regional in this year's 55-team field.

Linfield Regional Tournament Central: http://www.linfield.edu/sports/ncaaregional.html 

Hopefully with two ASC teams in the same regional, we'll find a way to get one in the CWS. Chapman has owned that regional for the last five years.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: DavidNichols on May 18, 2010, 10:36:35 AM
Quote from: dp643 on May 17, 2010, 04:31:52 PM
The ASC gets a pool c and nothing on the board all day?! Whats going on?!?

That's an easy answer.  There's not a West team in the Regional, so there's no chatter on the board.  Texas-Tyler and MC went along their merry little way all season not talking much and got done what's only happened one other time in conference history (The only other time was when Texas-Dallas (East Division) earned the bid a couple years ago.).  I think the McMinnville Regional is one of the toughest, if not the toughest in the country.  Not only did every team except for the host school, Linfield, have to fly up there, but all six teams are in the top 17 in the country.  I really hate that TLU didn't get into the tournament being that they have two stud pitchers in Orosey and Steinert, and a very good one in Staggs.  They could have really done some damage.

Here's a conversation starter.  How bout the NCAA putting Tyler and MC on the same plane to go to Oregon?  I bet there were some stories from that trip.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: RSSmith on May 18, 2010, 11:27:03 AM
Quote from: DavidNichols on May 18, 2010, 10:36:35 AM
Quote from: dp643 on May 17, 2010, 04:31:52 PM
The ASC gets a pool c and nothing on the board all day?! Whats going on?!?

That's an easy answer.  There's not a West team in the Regional, so there's no chatter on the board.  Texas-Tyler and MC went along their merry little way all season not talking much and got done what's only happened one other time in conference history (The only other time was when Texas-Dallas (East Division) earned the bid a couple years ago.).  I think the McMinnville Regional is one of the toughest, if not the toughest in the country.  Not only did every team except for the host school, Linfield, have to fly up there, but all six teams are in the top 17 in the country.  I really hate that TLU didn't get into the tournament being that they have two stud pitchers in Orosey and Steinert, and a very good one in Staggs.  They could have really done some damage.

Here's a conversation starter.  How bout the NCAA putting Tyler and MC on the same plane to go to Oregon?  I bet there were some stories from that trip.

I would guess that the trip up will be cordial.  The trip back, under certain circumstances, could be otherwise.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BaseballFreak on May 19, 2010, 10:11:09 PM
When is UTT going to hire Coach Phelps for the Head job?  What are they waiting for? 

Here is a link to a great story about the coaching situation.

http://www.tylerpaper.com/article/20100516/SPORTS0305/5160322

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 20, 2010, 08:24:20 AM
Quote from: BaseballFreak on May 19, 2010, 10:11:09 PM
When is UTT going to hire Coach Phelps for the Head job?  What are they waiting for?

Here is a link to a great story about the coaching situation.

http://www.tylerpaper.com/article/20100516/SPORTS0305/5160322
As a state job, there are rules by which an opening must be posted, applicants given time to apply, a chance to interview the most qualified, and then the process of clearing the applicant thru any state mandated clearances and background checks.

My first thought is that the athletic director, Mr James Vilade, wanted to get the playoffs settled before he goes too far into that process.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on May 20, 2010, 09:09:05 AM
Nope...here's the West...writing up.  I am perplexed as to why the ASC has gone bust the past few years in Regionals.  Appears that UTT just failed to show up.  Now, I am very familiar with Pomona as one of my former players is there, Nick Frederick.  Appears that he was a tough out going 3-for-4.

MC didn't fair much better but as mentioned in an earlier post, this is the "death regional."  Linfield 6-1 over MC.

Klemesh seemed to be OK for Trinity yesterday but walks killed him.  8 walks is a very bad sign.  2 scored on a double in the 4th that may have been the dagger.

I would say that the odds on ANY ASC/Texas team making it out of Region is close to zero at this point.  Ugh.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on May 20, 2010, 10:15:30 AM
Quote from: swbaseball3 on May 20, 2010, 09:09:05 AM
Nope...here's the West...writing up.  I am perplexed as to why the ASC has gone bust the past few years in Regionals.  Appears that UTT just failed to show up.  Now, I am very familiar with Pomona as one of my former players is there, Nick Frederick.  Appears that he was a tough out going 3-for-4.

MC didn't fair much better but as mentioned in an earlier post, this is the "death regional."  Linfield 6-1 over MC.

Klemesh seemed to be OK for Trinity yesterday but walks killed him.  8 walks is a very bad sign.  2 scored on a double in the 4th that may have been the dagger.

I would say that the odds on ANY ASC/Texas team making it out of Region is close to zero at this point.  Ugh.

I can't speak on the last several years of why an ASC team, or South team, hasn't won a regional, but I can comment on what I'm seeing this year. There is very little difference in any of the six teams in the West regional, and I don't think anyone who was out here would disagree.

Chapman/Trinity could have gone either way, and little difference in the teams and two starters Klimesh-Rauh. Same in the MC/Linfield game, very close teams. I didn't see Tyler/Pomona so I can't comment on that one. But Tyler's starting pitching has been an achilles heel, but they held it together in the ASC Tourney. I don't think it's shocking they lost the first couple innings, and then won the rest of the game.

I think any outside, objective person would have no problem believing these six teams are among the nation's top 18 because they are close. I thought Chapman was fortunate to get out of the Trinity game with a W with Trinity stranding a ton, and Linfield was fortunate to benefit from a couple walks and two errors late in a game they weren't sniffing hits. But people up here say that happens a lot to these two teams, so at some point they make their fortune. They are just very solid teams, who have a lot of postseason experience. It shows.

I hope today goes differently.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 20, 2010, 10:40:08 AM
Quote from: swbaseball3 on May 20, 2010, 09:09:05 AM
Klemesh seemed to be OK for Trinity yesterday but walks killed him.  8 walks is a very bad sign.  2 scored on a double in the 4th that may have been the dagger.

I would say that the odds on ANY ASC/Texas team making it out of Region is close to zero at this point.  Ugh.

Klimesh averaged about 5 BB/CG during the regular season, but they also called 6 BBs on the Chapman pitcher (who averaged less than 3 BB/CG) so the ump may have had a larger strike zone than most.   He did hold Chapman to four hits in eight innings.  Trinity had their chances but couldn't get the big hit when it counted ... stranded 12 runners, had a guy on third in the first but couldn't plate him, runner thrown out at the plate with one out in the third, bases loaded with no outs but only plated one run in the eighth ... but yeah, the MC-TU loser is out today and the UT-T faces Chapman who has a very fine #2 starter (Sigman, 2.72, 8-4).   Better him than Rauh, who after defeating Trinity yesterday is now 11-0.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on May 20, 2010, 10:50:07 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 20, 2010, 10:40:08 AM
but yeah, the MC-TU loser is out today and the UT-T faces Chapman who has a very fine #2 starter (Sigman, 2.72, 8-4).   Better him than Rauh, who after defeating Trinity yesterday is now 11-0.

Interesting to see how Chapman approaches it today. They have a history of starting the best guy available, but bringing back their big horses on short rest. That said I don't know if Ruah is at the point in his career where he can give you a Klovstad, Drag, Kitchens performance on short rest. And there's no safety valve like Yacko at the back end this year.

I suspect they're conscious of Linfield lurking and I could definitely see them starting McGee and trying to save Sigman for that all important 3rd game.

Also, someone in attendance said he thought the zone was the same as it had been on year, and also thought the weather wasn't really impacting the number of walks either. He said from his vantage point it was more nerves and getting acclimated to the atmosphere.



JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on May 20, 2010, 11:21:10 AM
BTW,was I the only guy who noticed 44 flippin degrees at gametime for UTT?  Also, I am really disappointed for the kids out there with respect to the attandance...100 people!!  I think everyone in the ASC would believe a crowd of 300-400 is expected with this level of play.

Let's hope the ASC can fight their way back into the finals and make a good showing.

Per an earlier post, agreed on no team from the ASC winning the Regions but there have been a number of teams make the finals only to fall to Chapman.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on May 20, 2010, 11:27:44 AM
Trinity and MC games could have easily gone the other way for them. A timely hit in the Trinity game and no untimley errors and scores could have gone the other way.

The number of great teams in this one region this year from #1 to #6 is the best in 4 years I have seen including some of the recent World Series in Appleton..It is the toughest regional I have witness...So it will be interesting how day 2 goes...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on May 20, 2010, 12:06:58 PM
Quote
As a state job, there are rules by which an opening must be posted, applicants given time to apply, a chance to interview the most qualified, and then the process of clearing the applicant thru any state mandated clearances and background checks.

My first thought is that the athletic director, Mr James Vilade, wanted to get the playoffs settled before he goes too far into that process.

Ralph,
Let's just say you're way off with that thought about coach wanting to get into the playoffs first. It's not his call who the next hire should be or it would've already happened. He's stressed over and over that he wants Stan Phelps. However, there are a lot of qualified applicants for the position, but the choice falls into the hands of one man who will go unnamed. Period.

And on the above post with a link to a story in the Tyler Paper, that in no way helped coach Phelps get the job. If anything, that dampered his chances. He should've steared clear of that requested interview.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 20, 2010, 01:15:33 PM
My son played with and pitched with Stan in 2004 and was pitcher when Stan first started as a coach in 2005. (By the way the 2005 team was the first UTT to win the East and win 30 games).  We have been pulling for Stan to get the job. He at least deserves the chance and I know James has recommended him to administration. But I would believe that there are alot of applicants that have great credentials and head coaching experience which Stan does not have. The administration will make a decision based upon what they think is in the best interest of the University and the baseball program. As I have said in an earlier post UTT has a great facility for a DIII school and there must be alot of head coaches at successful JUCO, DIII and HS level that would be interested in this job. Also there are probably DII and DI assistant coaches that may have been former HS or JUCO head coaches that would apply. So the competition for this position has to be fierce. Just because an assistant coach is well thought of and respected by the players, former players and fans does not mean he gets the job. Just look at TT for a recent example. Stan will land on his feet somewhere if he is passed over. Knowing James he will help Stan if he does not get this job.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on May 20, 2010, 09:38:51 PM
Great win for UT Tyler today 5-4 over Chapman.

The bad news? They play Mississippi College tomorrow, which will effectively eliminate one of the ASC teams from the West Regional.

The good news? The winner could find themselves one of only 2 teams left standing and having to beat someone twice. The alternative being they would have to beat someone once, and then someone else after that.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 20, 2010, 10:05:44 PM
A degree of vindication for the ASC.

The winner may get a chance at the finals.

The #6 seed is going home after playing 20 innings of baseball, without a key player, and coming up only 2 runs short!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 20, 2010, 10:23:54 PM
Quote from: Patriot_Pride on May 20, 2010, 12:06:58 PM
Quote
As a state job, there are rules by which an opening must be posted, applicants given time to apply, a chance to interview the most qualified, and then the process of clearing the applicant thru any state mandated clearances and background checks.

My first thought is that the athletic director, Mr James Vilade, wanted to get the playoffs settled before he goes too far into that process.

Ralph,
Let's just say you're way off with that thought about coach wanting to get into the playoffs first. It's not his call who the next hire should be or it would've already happened. He's stressed over and over that he wants Stan Phelps. However, there are a lot of qualified applicants for the position, but the choice falls into the hands of one man who will go unnamed. Period.

And on the above post with a link to a story in the Tyler Paper, that in no way helped coach Phelps get the job. If anything, that dampered his chances. He should've steared clear of that requested interview.
Respectfully, we have no mention that there is a search committee in the Tyler Paper outside the office of the AD for the new baseball coach.  The search committee has not been mentioned anywhere, for the baseball job or the AD post, only that one has been formed for the AD job.

http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/news/general/march01-10.html

Yes, I agree that this is an excellent job.

Some schools will hire from within when qualified people are present, as McMurry did when they hired Coach Byington with the departure of Coach Driggers. TLU did the same with Greg Burnett when Bill Miller moved to the AD job.

I just wanted the writer in the Tyler paper to give a more substantive article about the process that is place for the UTT job.

I wish UTT success as they carry the ASC banner forward.  We need someone going back to Wisconsin!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on May 21, 2010, 12:17:14 AM
Quote from: Patriot_Pride on May 20, 2010, 12:06:58 PM
Quote
As a state job, there are rules by which an opening must be posted, applicants given time to apply, a chance to interview the most qualified, and then the process of clearing the applicant thru any state mandated clearances and background checks.

My first thought is that the athletic director, Mr James Vilade, wanted to get the playoffs settled before he goes too far into that process.

Ralph,
Let's just say you're way off with that thought about coach wanting to get into the playoffs first. It's not his call who the next hire should be or it would've already happened. He's stressed over and over that he wants Stan Phelps. However, there are a lot of qualified applicants for the position, but the choice falls into the hands of one man who will go unnamed. Period.

And on the above post with a link to a story in the Tyler Paper, that in no way helped coach Phelps get the job. If anything, that dampered his chances. He should've steared clear of that requested interview.

I didn't see that in the article, I thought his comments were professional. Nothing wrong with a local article touting your qualifications for the job.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on May 21, 2010, 01:09:14 AM
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I didn't see that in the article, I thought his comments were professional. Nothing wrong with a local article touting your qualifications for the job.

The article states.... "Phelps deserves the hire just on merit, but if he were not given the job, the university may regret the decision down the road. If Phelps is anywhere other than Irwin Field in February of next year, success in UT Tyler baseball could very well become a thing of the past."

It's backing the administration into a corner in a way and saying if you don't hire him you're an idiot. And that could be true, but I personally would have just declined the interview even though I knew I should have the job.

Reading it again, Stan's comments were fine. It was just a pushy story wanting to know why we haven't hired a replacement yet and that's understandable.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 21, 2010, 01:12:24 AM
Quote from: Patriot_Pride on May 21, 2010, 01:09:14 AM
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I didn't see that in the article, I thought his comments were professional. Nothing wrong with a local article touting your qualifications for the job.

The article states.... "Phelps deserves the hire just on merit, but if he were not given the job, the university may regret the decision down the road. If Phelps is anywhere other than Irwin Field in February of next year, success in UT Tyler baseball could very well become a thing of the past."

It's backing the administration into a corner in a way and saying if you don't hire him you're an idiot. And that could be true, but I personally would have just declined the interview even though I knew I should have the job.

Reading it again, Stan's comments were fine. It was just a pushy story wanting to know why we haven't hired a replacement yet and that's understandable.
Coach Phelps will land on his feet regardless!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on May 21, 2010, 02:06:01 AM
That's a given. Good coaches always land on their feet. A personal friend of mine, whether or not coach Phelps gets the job, I'll support him either way.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 21, 2010, 09:26:22 AM
There is a certain part of the UTT story that has not been focused on and that is why would James Vilade be prompted to leave UTT in the first place? The posiiton he is taking although involved in baseball is not n coaching at a university level - something he has done since his carreer started.  Was there a falling out at UTT with the admin? Is the admin pulling back its support for athletics in general and baseball in specific?  Those kinds of issues are what caused James to leave UD several years ago. If there is a dropping of support for sports in general or baseball in specific then that would explain the lack of a publized search committee. I doubt that is the case though given the huge invesment that doners and the university have made in the baseball and softball complexes. However the questions remain.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 21, 2010, 10:45:44 PM
I want to say that the ASC representatives did a great job in the regional tournament this year. We all can be proud of the way UTT and MC played. Unfortunetly they had to play each other again in an ellimination game. Congrats to MC for haning on in a nail biting 9-8 win to move on to at least the semi-finals tomorrow. The win takes the sting out of the 12 inning loss to UTT in the ASC championship game. UTT got revenge on Chapman last night and Chapman got ellimanted today by Linfield. Finally they are not a factor.

MC and UTT could not have been more evenly matched. This year they have played each other 6 times which each team winning 3. In their last 2 games they split 1 run games going a total of 21 ininigs to what amounts to in effect as a draw. UTT won the ASC championship but MC has a shot at the regional title. Even though I am a big UTT fan I am pulling for MC tomorrow. I think they will try to use Seamon. I hope he has some gas left in the tank.

Go Choctaws!!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on May 22, 2010, 09:12:02 AM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 21, 2010, 10:45:44 PM
I want to say that the ASC representatives did a great job in the regional tournament this year. We all can be proud of the way UTT and MC played. Unfortunetly they had to play each other again in an ellimination game. Congrats to MC for haning on in a nail biting 9-8 win to move on to at least the semi-finals tomorrow. The win takes the sting out of the 12 inning loss to UTT in the ASC championship game. UTT got revenge on Chapman last night and Chapman got ellimanted today by Linfield. Finally they are not a factor.

MC and UTT could not have been more evenly matched. This year they have played each other 6 times which each team winning 3. In their last 2 games they split 1 run games going a total of 21 ininigs to what amounts to in effect as a draw. UTT won the ASC championship but MC has a shot at the regional title. Even though I am a big UTT fan I am pulling for MC tomorrow. I think they will try to use Seamon. I hope he has some gas left in the tank.

Go Choctaws!!

In a short amount of time this has definitely grown into one of the better baseball rivalries in Division III. This is my last year as the SID at Mississippi College, and this rivalry has been one of the more enjoyable parts of the job. Yesterday's game was another great one that could have gone either way, it's been fun seeing these two teams get after each other. A lot of great players on both sides the last couple of years.

I also want to add this. The Tyler program, particularly their coaches, were very classy after a very hard played game, especially hard under the circumstances with Vilade moving on and Phelps waiting. They've built a great program over there that the conference can be proud of, and that's why they attract so many kids. They have made it look easy, but after seeing the MC coaches and players fight to build their program I promise you it's not easy winning 35 games every year which Tyler has done three years in a row now. I'm not sure what the holdup is with Phelps, but it's hard to imagine an assistant could do any more to deserve a shot at the head job. I hope he gets it.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 23, 2010, 12:56:00 PM
Chris,

Good luck to you in the future. Your posts have been very informative. Do not be a stranger to these boards in coming years.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dahlby on May 23, 2010, 01:34:17 PM
Chris,

Good luck in your future endeavors. Over the years I have learned why "good" SID'S
have one of the toughest jobs on campus. Being all things to all people. Not showing off a winning program too much for fear of the competition capitalizing on the clips, while supporting a "building" sport that isn't faring too well.

I've enjoyed your posts, even though I am a west coaster.

Don't forget to post once in a while and let us know how you succeed in life.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on May 23, 2010, 02:48:16 PM
What a great tourney for MC!  Coming out of the losers bracket is tough in in Little League.  To do it in the regions is impressive.  The ability for the pitching staff to trudge through to the finals, well, pretty awesome.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on May 23, 2010, 09:14:53 PM
Thanks for the nice comments, I appreciate it. I'll try and drop in from time to time.

I'm sure some of you might be interested in how the ASC stacks up with the West Coast. This weekend was my first look and IMO the ASC stacks up well. This could have been the nation's toughest regional and it was not all that different from the ASC Tourney. TLU would have fit right in with a chance to beat anyone, and HSU was competitive at the ASC Tourney.

The top pitching was about the same. Rauh from Chapman (just a freshman by the way) and Larson from Linfield were both very good, but you could put their names in a hat with Tyler Seaman and Orosey. Chitwood was the most dominant closer there and Daniel Cowart was the most effective pitcher of anyone, 13 2/3 innings, 8 hits, 2 ER, 10 K's and pitched in 4 of 5 games. Colvin from Pomona was about like Hopper.

At the plate, there wasn't anybody unlike what you see in the ASC. MC actually had the most homeruns with 7 in 5 games against really good pitching, and I think we were 4th or 5th in the ASC in the regular season. The Linfield park is very short.

No question Linfield plays with a discipline you don't see in the ASC a lot, other than maybe TLU. Chapman is there too. It earned Linfield the title, good pitching and solid defense.

Those comments aren't to belittle the West Coast teams because the regional was great baseball, probably as good as any regional. But the ASC is right there except we have 3-4 of those teams because of the size of the league, yet only one makes the postseason usually with this year being an exception.

Sooner or later an ASC is going to get through, I think it will be sooner. I hope the ASC hosts a regional next year,  TLU is back, Tyler returns a lot, and despite MC losing some great seniors I'm telling you they will be better. They return a ton of pitching, 4-5 solid bats, and they are bringing in a great group. Could be a big year for the conference.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on May 24, 2010, 10:30:15 AM
Great write-up!  Nice to get that comparison.  It certainly confirms what everyone on this board says every week.  Have a great summer.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 24, 2010, 08:48:10 PM
Congratulations to ETBU (http://www.ascsports.org/news/2010/5/24/SB_0524103557.aspx) who beat Linfield to win the D-III softball championship.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 25, 2010, 07:59:52 AM
Talk about loaded in softball. The East division sent 4 teams to the 6 team regional...one of which didnt even make the conference tourney.

ETBU who finished 3rd in the regular season in the ASC East wins the National championship without a loss in the national championship bracket. I think whoever came out of that regional was going to win the whole thing.

Ralph...maybe we can call that regional the "Bracket of death"....haha
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 25, 2010, 11:13:50 PM
Congratulations to the All-Americans -- Regan Dixon HSU, Bo Bell MC, and Brad Orosey TLU.

http://www.d3baseball.com/all-american/d3baseball-allamericans-2010.pdf
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 26, 2010, 12:41:44 AM
TLU president Ann Svennungsen leaving effective Monday (http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/tlu_president_resigns_94878019.html).
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swbaseball3 on May 26, 2010, 10:12:55 AM
Congrats to the All-American selections.  Can you imagine how difficult it is to select these players with all the great performances throughout the year?  One shocker is an old player of mine, Alex Eliopoulos.  He went 10-0 for Johns Hopkins, 2.17 ERA, was the Region MVP, and didn't even get a sniff.  Bummer for him but there were some crazy good performances this year.

Watch Shenandoah this year.  One thru six, they absolutely kill the baseball.  Brashears and Van Sickler are the bash brothers.  They might just out hit everyone and win it on offense.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: RSSmith on May 26, 2010, 11:49:49 AM
Quote from: swbaseball3 on May 26, 2010, 10:12:55 AM
Congrats to the All-American selections.  Can you imagine how difficult it is to select these players with all the great performances throughout the year?  One shocker is an old player of mine, Alex Eliopoulos.  He went 10-0 for Johns Hopkins, 2.17 ERA, was the Region MVP, and didn't even get a sniff.  Bummer for him but there were some crazy good performances this year.

Watch Shenandoah this year.  One thru six, they absolutely kill the baseball.  Brashears and Van Sickler are the bash brothers.  They might just out hit everyone and win it on offense.

Alex is a workhorse.  The top three starters for Hopkins, however, had a combined W-L of 29-0, a combined ERA of 2.45 (Alex's 2.78 was third best), a 3:1 K:BB ratio, a .216 OBA, and they allowed only 7 home runs in 791 innings despite playing in a small home park.  Alex led the team in innings (74.1) and strikeouts (83).  Any of the three could reasonably have shown up on the All-American team, and they'll be a force to be reckoned with in Appleton.  Alex will most certainly get his share of individual awards through the CWS and the next two years at Hopkins.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Voorhees on May 30, 2010, 01:17:46 PM
Congrats to Jake Mullin as well, earning Honorable Mention on the All-American team. He had a great year despite not having legitimate protection around him. He had a great season.

Does anybody know if Orosey led the nation in innings pitched? I saw he led the All-Americans, if he did, that is an outstanding accomplishment, and even greater accomplishment realizing he is only a Sophomore.

Those two will certainly be back at it next year.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 30, 2010, 01:29:39 PM
DI vs. DIII
One wonders just what would happen if the Big12 Conference had to follow the same restrictive rules as the ASC does in getting a NCAA playoff bid. UT, the top team in the Big 12 and the #1 ranked team in the nation laid a huge egg in the conference tournament. They decided to rest one of their top starters and went 0-3 in the tournament.  However, UT has no fear whatsoever of being left out of the NCAA regional.  In fact they probably will be a top seed and host a regional. Thus they treated the Big 12 tournament as a practice session and an opportunity to rest their starters.  However, if the rules in D-I were the same as D-III, UT would be chewing its finger nails worrying that they might be left out.  (UTT had that happen to them a couple of years ago when they went 3-2 and were eliminated). The fact is that the Big-12 conference tournament  is basically an opportunity for the lesser teams in play into a bid that they would not otherwise get. Whereas the ASC tournament is one that could and has caused teams to play themselves out of bid they may otherwise have received. Not a level playing field at all. D-III in baseball and perhaps all sports is not treated the same as its bigger brother. The number of games is more restricted and the number of teams getting into the playoffs is more restricted. One can argue that D-III is merely tolerated by the NCAA. An afterthought if the funds will allow. In D-III there is a concern about the expense of flying teams to a tournament like the one at Linfield and thus a limited number of teams receive bids. There are no such concerns at the D-1 level.  You never even hear about costs of travel being raised.  So I ask, what are the so-called benefits of NCAA membership if treatment as a second class citizen (the leftover crumbs) is what we get?

Just my thoughts.
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Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 30, 2010, 01:42:48 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 30, 2010, 01:29:39 PM
DI vs. DIII
One wonders just what would happen if the Big12 Conference had to follow the same restrictive rules as the ASC does in getting a NCAA playoff bid. UT, the top team in the Big 12 and the #1 ranked team in the nation laid a huge egg in the conference tournament. They decided to rest one of their top starters and went 0-3 in the tournament.  However, UT has no fear whatsoever of being left out of the NCAA regional.  In fact they probably will be a top seed and host a regional. Thus they treated the Big 12 tournament as a practice session and an opportunity to rest their starters.  However, if the rules in D-I were the same as D-III, UT would be chewing its finger nails worrying that they might be left out.  (UTT had that happen to them a couple of years ago when they went 3-2 and were eliminated). The fact is that the Big-12 conference tournament  is basically an opportunity for the lesser teams in play into a bid that they would not otherwise get. Whereas the ASC tournament is one that could and has caused teams to play themselves out of bid they may otherwise have received. Not a level playing field at all. D-III in baseball and perhaps all sports is not treated the same as its bigger brother. The number of games is more restricted and the number of teams getting into the playoffs is more restricted. One can argue that D-III is merely tolerated by the NCAA. An afterthought if the funds will allow. In D-III there is a concern about the expense of flying teams to a tournament like the one at Linfield and thus a limited number of teams receive bids. There are no such concerns at the D-1 level.  You never even hear about costs of travel being raised.  So I ask, what are the so-called benefits of NCAA membership if treatment as a second class citizen (the leftover crumbs) is what we get?

Just my thoughts.
???
In the back of miy mind is a concern that the big dogs of D-1 will pull their television contract money, and D-III will get nothing.

Without the NCAA March Madness money, we are back in the boat that we had when we were raising our own money to go to the NAIA playoffs.

We get one bid.  We fight for it. And, if most of the money goes away, we will first lose the money that expanded baseball Pool C bids from 3 to 15 bids.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 30, 2010, 02:04:16 PM
Quote from: Voorhees on May 30, 2010, 01:17:46 PM
Congrats to Jake Mullin as well, earning Honorable Mention on the All-American team. He had a great year despite not having legitimate protection around him. He had a great season.

Does anybody know if Orosey led the nation in innings pitched? I saw he led the All-Americans, if he did, that is an outstanding accomplishment, and even greater accomplishment realizing he is only a Sophomore.

Those two will certainly be back at it next year.
Thru the pre-NCAA season, yes.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on June 06, 2010, 06:02:57 PM
Official release on next head baseball coach at UT Tyler expected June 7.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 06, 2010, 06:14:32 PM
UTT's Cody Jones (http://www.tylerpaper.com/article/20100601/SPORTS/100539990/-1/SPORTS) has signed with the Big Bend Cowboys.

The home field is Kokernot, where Sul Ross State plays.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on June 07, 2010, 10:26:22 AM
A better writeup linked on the UT Tyler site from the Longview Journal.

http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/baseball/news/2010/june1-10.html (http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/baseball/news/2010/june1-10.html)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on June 07, 2010, 01:11:43 PM
It's official, Paul Wyczawski named new head baseball coach at UT Tyler.

http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/baseball/news/2010/june07-10.html (http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/baseball/news/2010/june07-10.html)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on June 07, 2010, 02:10:03 PM
Although I had been pulling for Stan to get the job, the final outcome does not surprise me. As the article indicated there were over 150 applicants. The University went out and hired the best possible person they belive will continue the programs excellence. They hired a very experienced proven winner. Stan is young and could not compete with that type of resume. He will land on his feet. His time will come.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on June 08, 2010, 06:14:05 PM
Logan Chitwood, UTT Closer was drafted in the 19th round by Oakland.

http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/baseball/news/2010/june8-10.html
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on July 27, 2010, 11:40:02 AM
Head Coach at UMHB Micah Wells resigns. Derek Dunaway named interim Head Coach.

http://cruathletics.com/news/2010/7/27/BB_0727101929.aspx?path=baseball
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: GridironChris on September 22, 2010, 11:18:58 PM
With practice starting, I thought I'd go ahead and post some early info on Mississippi College before I forget. The Choctaws are loaded again, maybe better than last year. The lineup, particularly the first 6-7, will be about as good as anyone. They lost 3-4 big bats, but added 3-4 big transfers. On pure talent, this lineup could be better than last year, and should have more power.

The pitching staff returns most everyone, except one major loss in Tyler Seaman. Daniel Cowart, Terrell Prescott, Shane Bennett and Ian Underwood are the biggest returners, along with 2-3 more regulars.  The wildcard for them is Brandon Martin who had successful surgery in the offseason and is expected back. If he's 100%, this staff could match up with anybody. The new crop of arms is as good as last year's as well, so expect a couple new names to jump out this year with big seasons.

You never know how leadership and chemistry will develop, but they have an awful lot to work with. The coaching staff has been in place for four years now, and the program keeps building. Last year's season helped them bring in a group of transfers that look great on paper. They are a top 10 preseason team IMO.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmguy19 on November 16, 2010, 01:46:13 PM
Well McMurry had it's first ever Alum game October 9th.  Well it wasn't a suprise for the Alums that we won 12-9.  But the current MCM players were suprised.  The 2011 team is young and has tons of talent, hope they have a great season and best of luck to them. 

This year and last was my first and second year to watch my cousin play in the ASC East side for the Comets.  It's great to get around baseball again and for the spring to come back and see more baseball.  I am looking forward to the 25th and 26th of Feb., to see MCM play UTD.  Can't wait for an awesome and exciting season for ASC baseball!!!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on December 19, 2010, 01:24:04 PM
http://www.mcmurrysports.com/news/2010/12/17/GEN_1217101446.aspx

McMurry making the jump to Division II any thoughts?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmguy19 on December 20, 2010, 10:57:33 AM
Well its good McMurry will now be able to give money out to these kids.  I don;t know how much it will be to start but who knows.  Its going to be hard to change conferences after being in the ASC for awhile.  You will have to get new rivals. 

To be honest I think its dumb, your football team might not ever win a game again, basketball and baseball will have a hard time for the first few years.  And for the other sports at MCM like Soccer god help their souls.......
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 26, 2011, 11:32:50 AM
Concordia dedicates its new field (http://www.concordia.edu/news/article.cfm?newsID=1411) on February 4th.

I have not found a new picture of the field, and I cannot remember where I saw the specific details of the field and playing surface.

Is it completely a field-turf field?  Just asking...

Any CTX fans logged on for the season yet?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on January 26, 2011, 01:24:15 PM
Ralph,

I was down there for the McM CTX Basketball game and I went to check out the field....

The whole field with the exception of the mound is turf.
Nice what appeared to be padded walls on the outfield fence.
Chair back seats if I remember correctly behind home plate approx 150 or so (extreme rough guess).
Covered seating.

It will be a great place to watch a game and an interesting place to play as a player with that turf being everywhere
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 26, 2011, 01:40:15 PM
Quote from: indian4life on January 26, 2011, 01:24:15 PM
Ralph,

I was down there for the McM CTX Basketball game and I went to check out the field....

The whole field with the exception of the mound is turf.
Nice what appeared to be padded walls on the outfield fence.
Chair back seats if I remember correctly behind home plate approx 150 or so (extreme rough guess).
Covered seating.

It will be a great place to watch a game and an interesting place to play as a player with that turf being everywhere
Thanks for the report.  I think that they did not want to consider the effect of water shortages in Austin and keeping a healthy turf.

McMurry and many other places in Abilene use City of Abilene post-treatment water for its irrigation and campus watering.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmguy19 on January 31, 2011, 10:57:48 AM
How hot will it be on that turf.... All the water they save is going to have to go back into the guy on the field from it being so HOT.... O well atleast it will be green all year round!!!!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on February 01, 2011, 12:32:05 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 26, 2011, 01:40:15 PM
Quote from: indian4life on January 26, 2011, 01:24:15 PM
Ralph,

I was down there for the McM CTX Basketball game and I went to check out the field....

The whole field with the exception of the mound is turf.
Nice what appeared to be padded walls on the outfield fence.
Chair back seats if I remember correctly behind home plate approx 150 or so (extreme rough guess).
Covered seating.

It will be a great place to watch a game and an interesting place to play as a player with that turf being everywhere
Thanks for the report.  I think that they did not want to consider the effect of water shortages in Austin and keeping a healthy turf.

McMurry and many other places in Abilene use City of Abilene post-treatment water for its irrigation and campus watering.
Linfield is also a all turf field with only dirt for the pitching mound. Plays much different than grass and dirt. Bunts travel faster and ground balls stay down....Sliding has small black rubber pebbles flying everywhere. not impacted by rain but I bet it gets real hot on temps over 80. I wonder if Concordia will host a future Regional in their new place.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: DavidNichols on February 01, 2011, 10:17:11 AM
2011 Mississippi College Baseball Media Guide Released.  http://gochoctaws.com/news/2011/1/31/MTRK_0131113115.aspx
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 15, 2011, 06:47:14 PM
Ouch!

Non-conference game...

Boxscore in the link below.

HSU 11, McMurry 5 (http://www.hsuathletics.com/sports/m-basebl/2010-11/boxscores/20110215_2p80.xml)

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on February 15, 2011, 07:08:46 PM
Chapman  @ McMurry for 3 games starting this friday
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on February 19, 2011, 10:36:12 PM
The move by McMurry to DIV II might start a trend. I expect that UTD and UTT will eventually make similar moves as the schools continue to expand. They may even move together. No current plans that I am aware of and the state budget crunch will delay any move but I would not be surpised that within the next 5 years they leave the ASC.

TexasBB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 24, 2011, 02:46:57 PM
Whats going on with Mississippi College, TLU, Mcmurry, UMHB?

Orosey hasnt pitched but one inning. Any news there?

Is the ASC west way down this year?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2011, 03:02:44 PM
The Chapman series showed how critical defense and small ball will be this year.

IMHO, Chapman is fundamentally one of the finest teams in the country.  I think that they beat McMurry on very small margins of quality that paid huge dividends.

In Game #1, McMurry was tied 1-1 when a throwing error on the front end of DP ball opened the doors for Chapman to score a 4-spot.

In Game #2, 2 unearned runs in the 2nd inning pushed the lead to 3-0.  Chapman scored all 6 runs in the first three innnings.  McMurry could not catch up and lost 6-3.

In Game #3, uinearned runs at the end of the game allowed Chapman to come from behind to win 6-5.

The West Coast observers have posted that Chapman pitching and defense, both good and bad, is the key to their record.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on February 24, 2011, 03:36:15 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2011, 03:02:44 PM
The Chapman series showed how critical defense and small ball will be this year.

IMHO, Chapman is fundamentally one of the finest teams in the country.  I think that they beat McMurry on very small margins of quality that paid huge dividends.

In Game #1, McMurry was tied 1-1 when a throwing error on the front end of DP ball opened the doors for Chapman to score a 4-spot.

In Game #2, 2 unearned runs in the 2nd inning pushed the lead to 3-0.  Chapman scored all 6 runs in the first three innnings.  McMurry could not catch up and lost 6-3.

In Game #3, uinearned runs at the end of the game allowed Chapman to come from behind to win 6-5.

The West Coast observers have posted that Chapman pitching and defense, both good and bad, is the key to their record.
Chapman lack of good defense cost them 2 losses by 1 run. Bad pitching cost them the other 2 losses. If they can make the necessary adjustments with 5 new defensive starters and a new DH, Chapman has proved in the past they are capable of turning things around. A good measure will be their game with Pomona on Friday.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 26, 2011, 06:13:14 PM
UMHB finally snaps a 12 game losing streak (back to 2003) to Mississippi College and sweeps the double header today to take 2 of 3 from Mississippi College.

Mississippi College is really missing out on Daniel Cowart's production from last year. I dont know whats wrong with him but coach Owens had a quick leash on him after he hit two batters in the 7th when the score was 4-4.

Glad to see UMHB finally win a few up in Clinton!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 02, 2011, 06:30:51 PM
Quote from: dp643 on February 24, 2011, 02:46:57 PM
Whats going on with Mississippi College, TLU, Mcmurry, UMHB?

Orosey hasnt pitched but one inning. Any news there?

Is the ASC west way down this year?

TLU, McMurry and UMHB are all young teams.

TLU is bringing back about half their line-up & of those 5-6 only 2 were everyday starters. And Orosey is the only rotation guy back. (I believe he tweaked something in his first start of the season*.)

McM brought back a little bit more than TLU in their lineup, but both De Leon and Dibiasi are off to slow starts after being two of their better hitters last year. They lost their #1 & #2.

UMHB  might've lost more than any of the others you've mentioned at the plate. Villegas was a top 3 hitter in the ASC, and White was really a catalyst at the top of their lineup. They return about 3 consistent starters. They also lost their #1, but they've never been great on the mound anyway.

Miss lost some key sticks like Bell, Herrin, and Walls, but they seem to be filling the pipeline relatively well all things considered. They'll definitely miss a workhorse like Seaman on the mound, and Ferris wasn't bad either. Craig Mackay was pretty average last year, but he's started off well thus far. They'll need Cowart and Presscot to match last year's performance though - especially come tournament time when the depth of your staff is critical.

*I got no qualms about Burnett/Wallace bringing him back slowly though. Having watched the ASC tournament last year the kid was physically tired. They'll need him to get back to the tournament, but it might be nice to have less innings pitched on his arm when it rolls around.

I think the entire ASC has progressively gotten marginally weaker the last few years. I think more and more teams are reliant on 1-3 really talented players and there's a lot less depth to the rosters than their used to be. Is D3 losing guys to JUCOs? I don't know the answer.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 05, 2011, 09:01:38 AM
UTT spanked TLU 10-4 yesterday. UTT is also a young team. They had to replace their entire pitching staff and most of their hitting, not to mention a new coaching staff. Yet they are 12-0. Something must be in the water in Tyler.

Texas BB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 05, 2011, 12:51:13 PM
I dont know if Id classify having 3 starting pitchers who are seniors and a lineup loaded up with mostly Juniors and Seniors would classify Tyler as being young. Are their new guys? Yes, but most are Junior and Senior transfers. Its always amazed me at how many Senior transfers Tyler gets.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 05, 2011, 03:51:11 PM
Quote from: dp643 on March 05, 2011, 12:51:13 PM
I dont know if Id classify having 3 starting pitchers who are seniors and a lineup loaded up with mostly Juniors and Seniors would classify Tyler as being young. Are their new guys? Yes, but most are Junior and Senior transfers. Its always amazed me at how many Senior transfers Tyler gets.

I'm inclined to agree with dp643 here. New guys doesn't necessarily = young guys.

Dustin Wyble 2b -- Sr.
David Ring lf -- Jr.     
Aaron McCain ss -- Jr.    
Justin Juneau rf -- Sr.    
T.J. Martin 3b -- So.     
Nick Clifton 1b -- Sr.    
Hayden Chick c -- Jr.    
Jake Beam dh -- Fr.    
Josh Bates cf -- Jr.

Their three weekend starters, all seniors.

By comparison, TLU has 5 seniors on their entire roster. UMHB has 2.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 05, 2011, 06:00:51 PM
They are juniors and senior transfers primarily from JUCOs or other programs (D-1 or II) where they were not likely to start.  That means that UTT is doing a good job recruting from JUCOs that perhaps others are not. One has to ask why?  There are alot of JUCOs in Texas and many of those kids were all district in HS. Not all of them sign with D-1 or D-II programs after their 2 year stint. Thus those who want to continue to play are available. Why then are not more JUCOs (junior and seniors) being picked up by TLU, UMHB etc.?  McMurrey always had a bunch so I know they are being recruited at least by some.  I don't buy into the idea of a drop in the Texas talent pool. This state is one of the top 3 in the country at producing college baseball players. So the talent is out there. Some are just doing a better job than others in tapping into that talent pool. Again one has to ask why?

Texas BB

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 05, 2011, 06:12:43 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on March 05, 2011, 06:00:51 PM
They are juniors and senior transfers primarily from JUCOs or other programs (D-1 or II) where they were not likely to start.  That means that UTT is doing a good job recruting from JUCOs that perhaps others are not. One has to ask why?  There are alot of JUCOs in Texas and many of those kids were all district in HS. Not all of them sign with D-1 or D-II programs after their 2 year stint. Thus those who want to continue to play are available. Why then are not more JUCOs (junior and seniors) being picked up by TLU, UMHB etc.?  McMurrey always had a bunch so I know they are being recruited at least by some.  I don't buy into the idea of a drop in the Texas talent pool. This state is one of the top 3 in the country at producing college baseball players. So the talent is out there. Some are just doing a better job than others in tapping into that talent pool. Again one has to ask why?

Texas BB



UMHB has two transfer Jucos in their starting lineup. But no one seems to be able to compete with the number of Senior transfers Tyler gets.

Some programs in this conference have really taken a step back after a few years of Coaching changes. It will be interesting to see how UMHB and Tyler do with their new coaches a few years from now.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 05, 2011, 06:27:01 PM
Agree. The new UTT coach has alot of experience and apparently recruiting ability. UTT had over 150 applicants for the job. The school has great facilities for baseball and has built a great program under Vilade.  Many of the other programs went with youth and less experience at head coach. It probably is a $ issue for many of the schools. 

I looked at UTT roster and they had to replace almost all of their starters from a loaded team last year. That is a daunting task for any program. I was fully expecting a big fall off this year.  The team roster has 25 of those 12 are new. The split is 5 freshman and 7 transfers. They did get a couple of seniors from Texas A&M and Lamar but those guys were not going to be starters at those schools and were thus designated for the BP.  They had one year left and decided to go where they could play. That is my point there are alot of them out there.  They have one year left and want to play as opposed to riding the pine.  UTT also has had success in placing many kids in pro ball after they leave. Thus the selling job is that you will play and be seen by scouts. Also you have a chance on playing for a team that could win the conference and go on. That is big inducement to many junior and seniors. You need  a scouting staff that can find those kids. Vilade had a network of people that he befriended that gave him tips on talent. I am sure the new coach has tapped into that network and may have his own.

Texas BB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 05, 2011, 06:44:01 PM
UTT swept TLU taking all 3 in Seguin. They are now 14-0. They have played 3 teams from the West and swept them all.

I have no gage on how good they really are. This is a new team. Some of the games have been very close. I also believe that the West is down this year. TLU normally is very tough at home and over the last couple of years has been the top dog in the west. 

This season is a puzzle to me.

Texas BB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 05, 2011, 06:47:48 PM
I think Tyler is still older and returns more position players than the teams in this discussion. UMHB has 6 new guys in their lineup, with only 2 seniors on the whole team.

Tyler seems to be the class of the conference at this point. But some of these younger teams I think will surprise some people given a little more time to gel.

On a side note, glad to see Orosey back in the lineup today.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 05, 2011, 06:53:46 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on March 05, 2011, 06:44:01 PM
UTT swept TLU taking all 3 in Seguin. They are now 14-0. They have played 3 teams from the West and swept them all.

I have no gage on how good they really are. This is a new team. Some of the games have been very close. I also believe that the West is down this year. TLU normally is very tough at home and over the last couple of years has been the top dog in the west. 

This season is a puzzle to me.

Texas BB

The biggest puzzle to me right now is Mississippi College. Alot of guys that had monster years for them last year are laying eggs right now. It will be interesting to see if they get back on track.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2011, 06:57:45 PM
Quote from: dp643 on March 05, 2011, 06:53:46 PM


The biggest puzzle to me right now is Mississippi College. Alot of guys that had monster years for them last year are laying eggs right now. It will be interesting to see if they get back on track.
Well, they just swept McMurry.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 06, 2011, 01:01:05 PM
I am going to make a bold prediction:

Winner of the series between UMHB and Hardin Simmons this weekend will win the west.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 06, 2011, 01:11:27 PM
Quote from: dp643 on March 06, 2011, 01:01:05 PM
I am going to make a bold prediction:

Winner of the series between UMHB and Hardin Simmons this weekend will win the west.
Not bold, just prescient.  ;)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: lordcharles on March 07, 2011, 06:35:59 PM
Anyone have any scores from the Schreiner- Desales DH today?  Grrrr!  No video or stat links anywhere!

Thanks
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tigerfan_2001 on March 07, 2011, 10:03:41 PM
Quote from: lordcharles on March 07, 2011, 06:35:59 PM
Anyone have any scores from the Schreiner- Desales DH today?  Grrrr!  No video or stat links anywhere!

Thanks
not sure if this is one game or two, but the ASC web page has two games with a 6-5 score with DeSales winning both.  AGain, not sure if that was one game or both that ended 6-5 or just one....
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: lordcharles on March 08, 2011, 12:02:21 AM
Thanks tigerfan.  It was 2 games. Desales won both 6-5and 5-0. I finally got the scores from the website.   Thanks for your kind assistance.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 08, 2011, 09:32:59 AM
UTT - reduction in roster - change in coaching philosophy?

Over the years when James Vilade was running the baseball progarm at UTT he carried 40 or more players on his roster. The last few years Vilade had a JV schedule to allow his younger players to get game time. Under  Paul Wyczawski, I note that the roster has been trimmed to 26 with no posted JV schedule.  Since Wyczawski brouth in 12 new players this year (5 freshman and 7 transfers), that indicates that a bunch of kids that were on the roster last year are no longer on the team this year.  I find this interesting and wonder if this signifies a change in coaching philosophy or was it driven by budgetary constraints?

Given the economic reality faced by all colleges due to the recession, I have to think that all sports programs are under pressure to keep costs down.   

Texas BB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 08, 2011, 10:55:31 AM
Interesting.  Whatever the story is, it certainly hasn't hurt their performance on the field this year.   ;)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 08, 2011, 09:59:20 PM
Ralph,

What happened to the Abilene spring break tournament this year.  The last couple of years Marietta would come down from Ohio and UTD and UTT would come over to play at McMurry and HSU. Usually a pretty good pre-conferece series of games during spring break. Schedule issues?

Texas BB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Chris Brooks on March 09, 2011, 11:48:30 PM
Quote from: dp643 on March 05, 2011, 06:53:46 PM
The biggest puzzle to me right now is Mississippi College. Alot of guys that had monster years for them last year are laying eggs right now. It will be interesting to see if they get back on track.

I can give you some info on MS College that would explain the start. I wouldn't bury them just yet, they've struggled due to a pitching staff fighting injuries. They've been without what probably would have been their three weekend starting pitchers, and closer. Brandon Martin had offseason surgery but suffered a late setback that I think will cost him the season. Terrell Prescott also had offseason surgery and is slowly working back, and Shane Bennett has worked through arm issues that will probably keep him off the bump. They brought in a talented freshman who was one of the frontrunners to close in the fall, hardthrower in the 88-92 range, but has been held out with arm trouble.

Also, they've blown three saves in their six losses (all close) with Daniel Cowart struggling early this year, so it's been kind of a worst case scenario playing out. He was probably the most outstanding player at last year's West Regional, but has struggled with control. I would be shocked if he doesn't get back to where he was, he's a gamer.

The lineup is putting up great numbers again, as good or better than last year, leading the ASC in per game averages for homers, runs, doubles, RBI, walks and stolen bases. The team average is .343, and they lead the league in slugging at .509 and OBP at .440. The lineup is tough.

The coaches have already thrown 13 different pitchers out there, a lot of them new, seeing who they can count on in games. They are going to be tough later in the season when they get the pitching straightened out, and get healthy.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 10, 2011, 08:03:36 AM
Thanks Chris for the update. I knew they were missing a couple of guys from the preseason program they put out.

I know Cowart was huge down the stretch for MC last year. I hope he gets back on track. He hit three batters in one inning against UMHB, so I knew something must be going on with him at this point.

Anyone want to post some predictions for opening weekend in the ASC?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Chris Brooks on March 10, 2011, 11:10:26 AM
Quote from: dp643 on March 10, 2011, 08:03:36 AM
Thanks Chris for the update. I knew they were missing a couple of guys from the preseason program they put out.

I know Cowart was huge down the stretch for MC last year. I hope he gets back on track. He hit three batters in one inning against UMHB, so I knew something must be going on with him at this point.

Anyone want to post some predictions for opening weekend in the ASC?

I feel bad for the coaches and players because they thought they would have a loaded pitching staff and lineup, but injuries are part of the game. The lineup has shaken out about like they thought, but no program is going to lose three proven starting pitchers and a potential closer without it being a major setback. Cowart struggling compounded the problem, because if he starts this year like he finished last year, they would be sitting at 10-3 at worst right now, and probably 11-2.

Cowart is a great kid with a lot of moxie, and was about as good as any pitcher in the country the final month last year, he'll find it and get back to form. That's baseball sometimes. Prescott is slowly coming back and will hopefully get back to form. Some injuries are healing and they have another couple arms with very good stuff who looked good recently, they could help. I know the coaches are definitely not in panic mode, they have arms but must go through the process of identifying what guys are going to do in games and get players in their roles.

I don't know if they can be as good as last year with some of the pitching injuries, but I still think they can be very good. They have depth of good arms, but they need someone to step up and fill the void Tyler Seaman left.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on March 11, 2011, 02:05:51 PM
McMurry is the War Hawks

http://www.mcmurrysports.com/news/2011/3/11/GEN_0311111923.aspx (http://www.mcmurrysports.com/news/2011/3/11/GEN_0311111923.aspx)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 12, 2011, 07:24:59 PM
UTT sweeps ETBU and is now 18-0.  All of the games were competitive. 7-4, 4-0, 3-1.  UTT has good pitching and defense but is not exactly blowing teams out.

Texas BB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 13, 2011, 12:01:22 AM
La College takes 2 of 3 from Mississippi
UT Dallas takes 2 of 3 from Ozarks
TLU sweeps McMurry
Concordia sweeps Howard Payne
Hardin Simmons takes 2 of 3 from UMHB
Sul Ross takes 2 of 3 from Schreiner

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 13, 2011, 10:18:39 AM
Tough weekend for the Cru. If not for two blown saves they sweep Hardin Simmons. I think Hardin Simmons lead a grand total of about 3 innings the whole weekend and takes the series. UMHB is going to need the bullpen to produce better than they did this weekend.

Another note, ever since I have been following the ASC I think Steve Coleman's teams has been one of the most consistent teams in the conference. I like the way he coaches. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Chris Brooks on March 16, 2011, 01:25:31 AM
MC loses 7-5 to the defending national champs, Illinois Wesleyan. A familiar storyline, IWU scored two in the 10th to win as MC falls to 8-9. All 9 losses by 3 runs or less, and I think they've blown six late inning leads. Just been one of those years so far, but hopefully the breaks balance out and things sway their direction late in the season.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 16, 2011, 06:58:40 PM
TLU continues to pitch well, this time getting 4 shut-out innings of relief from Sophomore LHP Nick Jones as they beat Trinity 6-4 despite only getting only 4 hits. Panozzo had a rough 4th inning that invariably cost them the game. It's his first lost of the season. Per usual, Trinity wasn't afraid to run weekend starters out there against TLU, (3-13 Austin College on tap this weekend). Trinity drops to 19-4 and TLU moves to 13-8.

TU:   2 6 2
TLU: 6 4 3

Jones is the winning pitcher.

TU's Kyle Felix had Trinity's only extra base hit, breaking the TU record for doubles.

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 17, 2011, 09:07:38 AM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on March 16, 2011, 06:58:40 PM
TLU continues to pitch well, this time getting 4 shut-out innings of relief from Sophomore LHP Nick Jones as they beat Trinity 6-4 despite only getting only 4 hits. Panozzo had a rough 4th inning that invariably cost them the game. It's his first lost of the season. Per usual, Trinity wasn't afraid to run weekend starters out there against TLU, (3-13 Austin College on tap this weekend). Trinity drops to 19-4 and TLU moves to 13-8.

TU:   2 6 2
TLU: 6 4 3

Jones is the winning pitcher.

TU's Kyle Felix had Trinity's only extra base hit, breaking the TU record for doubles.

JSG



TLU live stats apparently had the wrong starting pitcher for Trinity; according to TU's web (http://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/bsb/2010-11/releases/03-16-11_bb_tlu) and the box (http://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/bsb/2010-11/stats/bb23.htm), it was freshman Matthew Tindall (0-1).  The 'rough inning' JSG mentions included two hit batsman, a walk, and an error by 3B which led directly to one of five runs given up in that inning.   

The point about throwing starters in mid-week games is valid, tho; Ben Klimesh (6-0) had to come in to try and get out of the bases-loaded jam left by Tindall but yielded a walk and two hits which scored several runs charged to Tindall. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 17, 2011, 09:25:36 AM
The TLU-Trinity was a fair test of team depth for both teams.

Trinity had the 2 game Millsaps series over the weekend and the Cardinal Stritch (NAIA) game on 3/15.

TLU had the McMurry 3-game series on Friday and Saturday and goes to HPU this weekend for another 3-game series.

Both weekend series are intra-divisional conference games for both teams.

The in-region nature of the game may impact the Regional Rankings.  There is also a re-match in a couple of weeks.  We will have a good idea of Trinity's strength with the in-region games against TLU, HSU and McMurry.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 18, 2011, 09:06:42 PM
UT Tyler 22 - Ozarks 3
TLU 7 - Howard Payne 5
UTD 6 - Miss 3
Concordia 14 - Sul Ross 6
ETBU 2 - LeTourneau 0

McM up 3-0 in top of 4th, rain/lightening delay til morning
Schreiner up 1-0 in top of 3rd, rain delay (triple header Sat)

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 18, 2011, 10:13:23 PM
McMurry and UMHB in a rain delay.

With all of the wildfires in west Texas, this is good.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 19, 2011, 07:33:45 PM
UTT sweeps Ozarks to go 21-0. They won the 3 games by a combined score of 42-7, (22-3, 10-0 and 10-4). The only concern is that Sherman was pulled early in the first game today. He has had shoulder surgery and was making a comeback this year after sitting out all of last year.  For his sake, I hope he is not hurt. He was having a tremendous year.

Texas BB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 20, 2011, 04:40:39 PM
Who can figure?  McMurry sweeps UMHB in the weekend series, 3 games to none.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hatbaseball on March 22, 2011, 11:44:31 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 20, 2011, 04:40:39 PM
Who can figure?  McMurry sweeps UMHB in the weekend series, 3 games to none.

I've thought all along that McMurry is not as bad as its record would appear.  They've played pretty good competition and there really have only been about 4 games where they just got "beat".  So many games early in the season they were out-hitting the opponent, making fewer errors yet still losing because the other team would get clutch hits and McMurry didn't.  The last game of the UMHB series was an exact opposite of what the McMurry season has been like.  UMHB had more hits than McMurry.  McMurry had 4 errors to 0 for UMHB but McMurry got a lot of 2 out rbi hits and won the game.  It's nice to be on the other side of that for a change. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 22, 2011, 11:34:03 PM
As much as I hate to say this, I dont necessarily think sweeping UMHB really proves anything for McMurry. It puts them in a very good position over UMHB, but UMHB hasnt exactly been Mr consistent this season. UMHB now has to win 2 of 3 in Seguin to keep their playoff hopes alive in my opinion.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 22, 2011, 11:56:27 PM
Why is UTT playing Jarvis Christian. They are not even NCAA. So they get no credit for 27-2 win. Certainly they could have found a game against an NCAA Div III or even a DIV II school.

Texas BB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 23, 2011, 01:02:28 AM
Quote from: TexasBB on March 22, 2011, 11:56:27 PM
Why is UTT playing Jarvis Christian. They are not even NCAA. So they get no credit for 27-2 win. Certainly they could have found a game against an NCAA Div III or even a DIV II school.

Texas BB
Mid-week game that is easy on the travel budget!  No missed class time.  JCC is only 20 miles away.

The nearest non-ASC D3's are 2.5 hours away, one way, at Austin College and UDallas. I don't think that UDallas wants a stomping to hurt their Pool B chances with a low-probability win.

Maybe Jarvis needed the game, too.   :)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 23, 2011, 01:04:30 AM
Quote from: dp643 on March 22, 2011, 11:34:03 PM
As much as I hate to say this, I dont necessarily think sweeping UMHB really proves anything for McMurry. It puts them in a very good position over UMHB, but UMHB hasnt exactly been Mr consistent this season. UMHB now has to win 2 of 3 in Seguin to keep their playoff hopes alive in my opinion.
Oh I was delighted with the sweep.  We needed the wins.  I think that we are playing for the #3 seed, unless we can pin 3 losses on HSU, which is not likely to happen.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 23, 2011, 08:32:24 AM
Anyone else notice how many Home games Tyler is playing this year? I think only one discretionary road game? The TLU series was conference scheduled. 13 Road games, and only one was voluntary I believe. Pretty nuts.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on March 23, 2011, 08:48:58 AM
Quote from: dp643 on March 23, 2011, 08:32:24 AM
Anyone else notice how many Home games Tyler is playing this year? I think only one discretionary road game? The TLU series was conference scheduled. 13 Road games, and only one was voluntary I believe. Pretty nuts.



Many warm-weather schools have a ton of home games as others travel through the region tp play games.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 23, 2011, 09:00:08 AM
Quote from: BigPoppa on March 23, 2011, 08:48:58 AM
Quote from: dp643 on March 23, 2011, 08:32:24 AM
Anyone else notice how many Home games Tyler is playing this year? I think only one discretionary road game? The TLU series was conference scheduled. 13 Road games, and only one was voluntary I believe. Pretty nuts.



Many warm-weather schools have a ton of home games as others travel through the region tp play games.

I would go with that except they are playing all warm weather schools at home. Id love to make my schedule each year and play every discretionary game at home except one.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on March 23, 2011, 09:01:53 AM
Quote from: dp643 on March 23, 2011, 09:00:08 AM
Quote from: BigPoppa on March 23, 2011, 08:48:58 AM
Quote from: dp643 on March 23, 2011, 08:32:24 AM
Anyone else notice how many Home games Tyler is playing this year? I think only one discretionary road game? The TLU series was conference scheduled. 13 Road games, and only one was voluntary I believe. Pretty nuts.



Many warm-weather schools have a ton of home games as others travel through the region tp play games.

I would go with that except they are playing all warm weather schools at home. Id love to make my schedule each year and play every discretionary game at home except one.
No one HAS to play them at Tyler. Teams CHOOSE to. Kudos to Tyler for having the ability to make it happen.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 23, 2011, 09:10:34 AM
Right, kudos to them. They have it roadmapped for the conference tournament to be in Tyler too assuming they keep winning. Assuming they get a regional bid, they could go to the regional in Abilene with 45-48 games roughly played and only 13 being away from Tyler. Nice planning on their part for sure.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 23, 2011, 01:39:40 PM
They have 3 away games at UTD this weekend. This series should be telling as to how good UTT really is. UTD traditionally is tough at home and will be gunning for them.

Texas BB.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 23, 2011, 02:13:32 PM
Yep! Tyler plays almost 25% of their road games this weekend. Should be interesting!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 24, 2011, 01:37:51 PM
They played 3 on the road last weekend at Ozarks and swept by a combined score of 42-7. They also went to TLU earlier and swept them. They can play on the road, but UTD is a rival and always plays then tough expecially in Dallas.

Texas BB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 24, 2011, 02:16:40 PM
I never said they couldnt win on the road. I was just stating how they scheduled no road games. Ozarks and TLU were conference rotated series games, and not discretionary.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 24, 2011, 02:34:48 PM
Anyone have any predictions for this weekend?

I am going out on a limb and say UMHB will take 2 of 3 from TLU and get back into the race this weekend.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hatbaseball on March 24, 2011, 05:13:12 PM
Quote from: dp643 on March 24, 2011, 02:34:48 PM
Anyone have any predictions for this weekend?

I am going out on a limb and say UMHB will take 2 of 3 from TLU and get back into the race this weekend.

While I'd like to see UMHB take 2 of 3, I'll be surprised if that happens.  My predictions are

TLU wins 2 UMHB wins 1
HSU wins 2 CTX wins 1
SRU sweeps 3 over HP
McM sweeps 3 over Schreiner
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 24, 2011, 07:29:08 PM
HSU wins 2-1 over CTX
UMHB wins 2-1 over TLU
SRSU wins 2-1 over HPU
McM wins 2-1 over Schreiner
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 24, 2011, 07:34:36 PM
HSU wins 2 of 3 at CTX
McM wins 2 of 3 at SU
TLU wins 2 of 3 over UMHB
SRSU wins 2 of 3 at HPU.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 25, 2011, 07:50:09 AM
UMHB has never won a series in Seguin if memory serves me correctly. Im standing by my prediction that it will happen this weekend.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 25, 2011, 01:35:13 PM
I think UTT takes 2 0ut of 3 but suffers their first loss of the year to UTD.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 25, 2011, 01:51:47 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on March 25, 2011, 01:35:13 PM
I think UTT takes 2 0ut of 3 but suffers their first loss of the year to UTD.

Any word on Sherman?

I hope UT Tyler goes undefeated. It would be awesome for them and the ASC
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 25, 2011, 03:51:26 PM
Buddy Haley, Superfan Emeritus of the Hamlin Pied Pipers (http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/mar/24/at-93-hamlin-baseball-superfan-still-indulging/)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 25, 2011, 03:59:49 PM
TLU is up 1-0 Going into the bottom of 5th in Seguin. Orosey is filthy.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 25, 2011, 05:06:24 PM
UMHB Rallies for 3 runs in the top of the 9th and beats Orosey 3-2!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: El Hombre on March 25, 2011, 06:35:44 PM
Quote from: dp643 on March 25, 2011, 05:06:24 PM
UMHB Rallies for 3 runs in the top of the 9th and beats Orosey 3-2!

Nice prediction!  It took until the final out, but you were right on. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 25, 2011, 08:08:22 PM
UT-T finally falls back to earth with a 7-0 loss at UT-D tonight.  Great run for the Patriots, it'll be interesting to see how they respond tomorrow noon.  
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 25, 2011, 10:57:04 PM
Quote from: dp643 on March 25, 2011, 03:59:49 PM
TLU is up 1-0 Going into the bottom of 5th in Seguin. Orosey is filthy.

Indeed he is. Good win for UMHB.

I sometimes wonder if throughout the progression of their career, smaller frame guys (5'11, 155lb) like Orosey begin to wear a bit. Don't get me wrong, I still think he's probably the best arm in the west, and a top 3-5 arm in the ASC, but take a peek.

Orosey:
FR 3.72 ERA, 10-1, 92 IP, 88 K
SO 3.15 ERA, 10-1, 97 IP, 104K (And this ERA got inflated late)
JR 3.00 ERA, 0-1, 30 IP, 34K

(ERA IS lower, AND TLU is hitting .277 this year; whereas they were .331 last year, and .323 the year before -- maybe he's just not getting any run support).

Two other smaller pitchers from the TLU history books though:

Logan Hull:
FR 3.54 ERA, 7-2, 61 IP
SO 4.47 ERA, 4-4, 48.1 IP
JR 12.64 ERA, 1-5, 31.3 IP
SR 7.36 ERA, 1-1, 11.1 IP

Hull was instrumental in getting the bulldogs to, and through the ASC tournament after Newman struggled through his senior year and was never really the same after.


Kyle Newman:
FR 3.02 ERA, 7-0, 47.2 IP, 48K, .168 avg against
SO 3.20, 8-1, 84.1 IP, 105K
JR 1.96, 8-3, 78 IP, 81K, .202 avg against
SR 7.09, 0-2, 34 BB in 26.2 IP

Here was a guy who needed like 5 wins to surpass Chema Chavez as the ASC's all time wins leader, and lost all command his senior year. (It's worth noting Hull always struggled with his command).

Now with Hull & Newman there were likely some external things at work that impacted their digression as well, but for every guy built like Lincecum that holds up there seems to be 8 others that just fatigue once their innings accumulate.

Is this a result of guys throwing too much? Guys throwing in the off season? Guys not training themselves and their arms properly. Is it just an anomaly in which a bored guy on the message boards tries to stir up discussion? Perhaps.

JSG



Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 26, 2011, 11:54:05 AM
JSG,

As I understand it Newman had some off the field issues as well his senior year that could attribute to some of that as well.

On video (granted its hard to get a real good grasp on everything through the video feed) Orosey looked just as good as I have ever seen him. Through the first 8 innings, hitters were swinging at sliders that they were absolutely fooled on. He was working both corners with his fastball very efficiently, and looked to be throwing about 7-8 MPH harder than Graham from UMHB. Im wondering if maybe he didnt throw too many sliders, and that possibly caught up with him in the end.

Im thankful I never had to face Orosey because I couldn't hit a slider to save my life. Although Enloe did made me look stupid a few times.

Were you in attendance yesterday JSG? How would you rate Orosey yesterday.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 26, 2011, 04:31:36 PM
UMHB gives up 2 in the bottom of the 6th to lose game one today. Back and forth game.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 26, 2011, 05:20:00 PM
UTT bounced back in the first game today. Sherman pitched well. I guess no injury issues. They won 7-1. UTT leading UTD in the 5th 7-3 in the second game.

Texas BB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 26, 2011, 05:51:51 PM
UMHB Wins 8-1 in game three to take the series 2 games to 1.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 26, 2011, 06:53:09 PM
UTD comes back and scores 4 in the bottom of the 8th and holds UTT scoreless in the 9th for a 10-9 win. UTD takes 2 out of 3.

UTT shows chinks in the armor as the bullpen falls short.

Texas BB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 26, 2011, 07:11:14 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on March 26, 2011, 06:53:09 PM
UTD comes back and scores 4 in the bottom of the 8th and holds UTT scoreless in the 9th for a 10-9 win. UTD takes 2 out of 3.

UTT shows chinks in the armor as the bullpen falls short.

Texas BB
Balance in the ASC.  We really don't have the dominant teams that appear at the top of the various conferences around the nation.  We have incredible balance in the 2 divisions.  We might not have a single team in the top 10 but we have 8-9 teams in the 2 divisions that are probably in the top 100 teams in D-3.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 26, 2011, 07:18:26 PM
I partially agree. I don't think the conference is as strong this year. The west altogether might be more balanced but I dont think the teams are as strong as years past.

Tyler has ridden it's starting pitching for a while and is I guess noticing how it's like to play on the road.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 26, 2011, 08:14:42 PM
UTT does not appear to have a dominant closer like they did in the past couple of years. A shut down closer is critical to preserve late inning wins.

Texas BB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 26, 2011, 08:25:51 PM
Losing chitwood and schimpf out of that bullpen left some
Big shoes to be filled.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 28, 2011, 09:25:13 AM
TLU Sweeps McMurry in Abiliene. McMurry sweeps UMHB in Abilene. UMHB then takes 2 of 3 from TLU in Seguin. McMurry loses 2 of 3 to Schreiner.

So who wants to predict UMHB vs Schreiner this weekend? I say all three end up in ties.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 28, 2011, 03:17:24 PM
Quote from: dp643 on March 28, 2011, 09:25:13 AM
TLU Sweeps McMurry in Abiliene. McMurry sweeps UMHB in Abilene. UMHB then takes 2 of 3 from TLU in Seguin. McMurry loses 2 of 3 to Schreiner.

So who wants to predict UMHB vs Schreiner this weekend? I say all three end up in ties.
Home team wins the series 2 games to 1.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Voorhees on March 28, 2011, 10:38:12 PM
I sometimes wonder if throughout the progression of their career, smaller frame guys (5'11, 155lb) like Orosey begin to wear a bit. Don't get me wrong, I still think he's probably the best arm in the west, and a top 3-5 arm in the ASC, but take a peek.

Orosey:
FR 3.72 ERA, 10-1, 92 IP, 88 K
SO 3.15 ERA, 10-1, 97 IP, 104K (And this ERA got inflated late)
JR 3.00 ERA, 0-1, 30 IP, 34K

(ERA IS lower, AND TLU is hitting .277 this year; whereas they were .331 last year, and .323 the year before -- maybe he's just not getting any run support).

Two other smaller pitchers from the TLU history books though:

Logan Hull:
FR 3.54 ERA, 7-2, 61 IP
SO 4.47 ERA, 4-4, 48.1 IP
JR 12.64 ERA, 1-5, 31.3 IP
SR 7.36 ERA, 1-1, 11.1 IP

Hull was instrumental in getting the bulldogs to, and through the ASC tournament after Newman struggled through his senior year and was never really the same after.


Kyle Newman:
FR 3.02 ERA, 7-0, 47.2 IP, 48K, .168 avg against
SO 3.20, 8-1, 84.1 IP, 105K
JR 1.96, 8-3, 78 IP, 81K, .202 avg against
SR 7.09, 0-2, 34 BB in 26.2 IP

Here was a guy who needed like 5 wins to surpass Chema Chavez as the ASC's all time wins leader, and lost all command his senior year. (It's worth noting Hull always struggled with his command).

Now with Hull & Newman there were likely some external things at work that impacted their digression as well, but for every guy built like Lincecum that holds up there seems to be 8 others that just fatigue once their innings accumulate.

Is this a result of guys throwing too much? Guys throwing in the off season? Guys not training themselves and their arms properly. Is it just an anomaly in which a bored guy on the message boards tries to stir up discussion? Perhaps.

JSG




[/quote]
Hey guys, long time no talk....

I thought this was interesting, so I decided to go back and look at some stuff. What I found is that my results did not show any of TLU's pitching regressing from year to year haha. I had forgotten how bad they tore me up...

How many people have seen Orosey this year? The only thing that appears to be down to me is his wins. Sure, he is very capable of being a lights out guy, but sometimes you just have those outings where the ball seems to find holes. Has he been hit harder, or in his 30 innings (5 simple starts?) has he maybe given up an extra run here or there due to lucky hits/ possibly a defense that is not quite the same as a few years back.

I can think of a few other pitchers who could be added to that list, and I could put myself on a comparable hitters list. Sometimes you just don't have it, try to do too much, possibly battle with an injury.

Another note, you can suck your first year or two, figure it out, then have stellar jr/sr years, and nobody goes back and says "what happened their freshman year?"
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on March 29, 2011, 06:36:48 AM
Last year, Orosey allowed 113 baserunners in 97IP and 16 extra base hits, 4 HR.

This year, it's 39 runners in 30IP and 11 XBH, 0 HR.

Only 5 of those runners this year were walks, so maybe he's being a little too aggressive? Or maybe he's just been unlucky.

He's also not thrown a complete game after 4 last year and is averaging fewer innings per start (by a lot) but the whole team only has 1 CG so that might be a coaching adjustment.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 29, 2011, 07:41:10 AM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on March 29, 2011, 06:36:48 AM
Last year, Orosey allowed 113 baserunners in 97IP and 16 extra base hits, 4 HR.

This year, it's 39 runners in 30IP and 11 XBH, 0 HR.

Only 5 of those runners this year were walks, so maybe he's being a little too aggressive? Or maybe he's just been unlucky.

He's also not thrown a complete game after 4 last year and is averaging fewer innings per start (by a lot) but the whole team only has 1 CG so that might be a coaching adjustment.

He hasnt thrown a complete game and has fewer innings per start because he was injured at the beginning of the year. He almost threw a complete game vs UMHB this past weekend. I dont think theres been a coaching adjustment, I think its just because he is finally getting going now as compared to the rest of the team who has been throwing for 8 + weeks.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on March 29, 2011, 04:46:41 PM
Quote from: dp643 on March 29, 2011, 07:41:10 AM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on March 29, 2011, 06:36:48 AM
Last year, Orosey allowed 113 baserunners in 97IP and 16 extra base hits, 4 HR.

This year, it's 39 runners in 30IP and 11 XBH, 0 HR.

Only 5 of those runners this year were walks, so maybe he's being a little too aggressive? Or maybe he's just been unlucky.

He's also not thrown a complete game after 4 last year and is averaging fewer innings per start (by a lot) but the whole team only has 1 CG so that might be a coaching adjustment.

He hasnt thrown a complete game and has fewer innings per start because he was injured at the beginning of the year. He almost threw a complete game vs UMHB this past weekend. I dont think theres been a coaching adjustment, I think its just because he is finally getting going now as compared to the rest of the team who has been throwing for 8 + weeks.

Well no one else on the team is throwing complete games either, so that's the reason why I wasn't sure.

If they've been trying to bring him in particular back slowly on shorter outings, then I would say the only difference is he's given up a few more XBH maybe by trying to be too aggressive...giving up more hits, but fewer walks. But some teams are doing that by design with the new bat specs.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 30, 2011, 12:42:48 PM

I sometimes wonder if throughout the progression of their career, smaller frame guys (5'11, 155lb) like Orosey begin to wear a bit. Don't get me wrong, I still think he's probably the best arm in the west, and a top 3-5 arm in the ASC, but take a peek.

It always amazes me that somehow durability in a pitcher is equated with size. Smaller pitcheres like Lincecum, Maddox and Pedro Martinez have had to battle that stigma all of their carreeers. There just isn't any truth to it. Pitching durability is the product of good and efficient mechanics not size. The rotator cuff and elbow tendens are very small and highly susceptible to injury. The size of the pitcher does not give more durability to those areas. A 6'4" 230 lb pitcher is just as apt to have pitching related injuries as a guy the size of Tim Lincecum - 5"10 and 165 lbs.  The one who has the best mechanics and most efficient delivery will be the one who is more durable.

Texas BB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on March 30, 2011, 02:53:58 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on March 30, 2011, 12:42:48 PM

I sometimes wonder if throughout the progression of their career, smaller frame guys (5'11, 155lb) like Orosey begin to wear a bit. Don't get me wrong, I still think he's probably the best arm in the west, and a top 3-5 arm in the ASC, but take a peek.

It always amazes me that somehow durability in a pitcher is equated with size. Smaller pitcheres like Lincecum, Maddox and Pedro Martinez have had to battle that stigma all of their carreeers. There just isn't any truth to it. Pitching durability is the product of good and efficient mechanics not size. The rotator cuff and elbow tendens are very small and highly susceptible to injury. The size of the pitcher does not give more durability to those areas. A 6'4" 230 lb pitcher is just as apt to have pitching related injuries as a guy the size of Tim Lincecum - 5"10 and 165 lbs.  The one who has the best mechanics and most efficient delivery will be the one who is more durable.

Texas BB
Many baseball scouts and MLB people will tell you that Lincecum mechanics will cause him to break down and get hurt but so far he has shown everyone that is not true.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 30, 2011, 04:07:27 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on March 30, 2011, 12:42:48 PM

I sometimes wonder if throughout the progression of their career, smaller frame guys (5'11, 155lb) like Orosey begin to wear a bit. Don't get me wrong, I still think he's probably the best arm in the west, and a top 3-5 arm in the ASC, but take a peek.

It always amazes me that somehow durability in a pitcher is equated with size. Smaller pitcheres like Lincecum, Maddox and Pedro Martinez have had to battle that stigma all of their carreeers. There just isn't any truth to it. Pitching durability is the product of good and efficient mechanics not size. The rotator cuff and elbow tendens are very small and highly susceptible to injury. The size of the pitcher does not give more durability to those areas. A 6'4" 230 lb pitcher is just as apt to have pitching related injuries as a guy the size of Tim Lincecum - 5"10 and 165 lbs.  The one who has the best mechanics and most efficient delivery will be the one who is more durable.

Texas BB

Good response. I'm reluctant to agree there's no truth to it, but I do think you're spot on with respect to mechanics and efficiency. Is it possible that guys like Orosey who throw relatively hard have less leverage to create said velocity than a taller and/or stronger pitcher and are potentially less 'efficient' as a result?

I think the primary reason pitchers get hurt is simply overuse (and this certainly isn't aided by poor mechanics), but the accumulation of yearly low-load stress is difficult to overcome even with the strides we've seen in modern day conditioning and flexibility.

[As an aside: What about all the innings the 'old-timers' used to throw in addition to weekly batting practice. Why didn't they have all these rotator cuff issues, ulna collateral tears, etc.]

Dr. Stephen Lyman's first study in 2001 indicates that the slider was associated with an 86% increase in likelihood of elbow pain. One thing is for certain, pitching is such a kinetic activity that that one little thing out of place (i.e. lumbar pain can cause rotator impingements) can cause any number of other injuries as a result.

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 31, 2011, 05:00:13 PM
A couple of years ago I  attended the opening night of the traveling HOF display from Cooperstown when it was at Fair Park in Dallas. I was able to have a discussion with Ferguson Jenkins who as any Rangers Fan will know won 25 games and pitched 29 complete games in 1974 when he was here in Arlington. Jenkins pitched for 19 years and had 267 complete games. His 29 complete games last year was more than any staff had all of last year. 

What he told me was he didn't think pitchers through enough today. Back in the 1970s they did not have specialty relief pitchers and the term closer had not yet come in to common use. You were either a starter or in the bullpen. There gernerally were only 4 starters and everyone else.  He said he rested the day after he pitched but was throwing batting practice the following day and a full bullpen the 3rd day. During the offseason he threw alot, playing catch etc.  He never even thought about pitch counts but could always tell when he was tiring.

Of course things are different today as there are specialists and closers etc. If a pitcher was injured in the 70s,they likley were done as surgical techniques that exist today were unkown then.  I also believe that pitchers today rely more on power pitches like cut fastballs, hard sliders and sinkers and less on the change up and slow curve. The pitches also lead to the injuries.

Texas BB


Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 31, 2011, 05:12:49 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on March 31, 2011, 05:00:13 PM
A couple of years ago I  attended the opening night of the traveling HOF display from Cooperstown when it was at Fair Park in Dallas. I was able to have a discussion with Ferguson Jenkins who as any Rangers Fan will know won 25 games and pitched 29 complete games in 1974 when he was here in Arlington. Jenkins pitched for 19 years and had 267 complete games. His 29 complete games last year was more than any staff had all of last year. 

What he told me was he didn't think pitchers through enough today. Back in the 1970s they did not have specialty relief pitchers and the term closer had not yet come in to common use. You were either a starter or in the bullpen. There gernerally were only 4 starters and everyone else.  He said he rested the day after he pitched but was throwing batting practice the following day and a full bullpen the 3rd day. During the offseason he threw alot, playing catch etc.  He never even thought about pitch counts but could always tell when he was tiring.

Of course things are different today as there are specialists and closers etc. If a pitcher was injured in the 70s,they likley were done as surgical techniques that exist today were unkown then.  I also believe that pitchers today rely more on power pitches like cut fastballs, hard sliders and sinkers and less on the change up and slow curve. The pitches also lead to the injuries.

Texas BB
If Jim Bibby had been able to finish the season strong (instead of going 19-19) we might have won the AL West!  (Naw, Ralph. Dream on!)

We finished 84-76 and 5 games behind the Oakland A's
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 01, 2011, 05:40:16 PM
UMHB gets destroyed by Schreiner 15-4. I will never understand the west division this year.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 02, 2011, 07:55:38 PM
In the East, it is getting very interesting. Louisiana College is quietley putting together a very good season, as they currently are in first place with a 9-1 conference mark and 21-9 overall. UTT is second at 8-2 and 26-2 overall. UTD is 3rd with a 7-3 mark.  UTT and LC play this coming weekend at LU. Whichever team takes wins this series will be in the driver seat. LC finishes the conference schedule with UTD which will also be a big series. In two weeks UTT hosts MC and even though MC has had a host of injuries they will play tough in that series.

Texas BB

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 02, 2011, 09:13:27 PM
In Abilene, CTX takes 2 of 3.

Yesterday's game was a blowout for CTX.

Today, CTX came back from a 6-5 deficit in the top of the 7th to tie and then win in extra innings 8-6 in the 8th.

In the evening, McMurry won 4-3.

Jake Mullin is "quietly" having another good year.  The home runs are not there, but he is hitting for average.

Player                 AVG  GP-GS    AB   R   H  2B  3B  HR RBI   TB  SLG%  BB HBP  SO GDP   OB%  SF  SH  SB-ATT   PO   A   E  FLD%

26 Jake Mullin......  .376  27-26    93  21  35   7   0   2  23   48  .516  15   3  22   1  .469   2   0   0-0     68   2   4  .946


Team batting avg is down from .313 to .298.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 02, 2011, 10:13:43 PM
TLU swept by Sul Ross. Not sure if that's ever happened before. Not sure if they'd ever lost 2 of 3 to Sul Ross before.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Chris Brooks on April 03, 2011, 12:37:34 AM
Quote from: TexasBB on April 02, 2011, 07:55:38 PM
In the East, it is getting very interesting... In two weeks UTT hosts MC and even though MC has had a host of injuries they will play tough in that series.

Texas BB

Agree on the East, it's as open as it's been in a long time. MC sweeping at ETBU was huge for them even though ETBU was struggling. MC is going to be a couple pitchers down the rest of the year, and a couple more not 100%, but they did get 20 innings from a new starting trio this weekend, that is a good sign. Another positive, Shane Bennett was back on the bump with two innings as a closer and went scoreless with 5 K's, and looked great. They still have time if they can get it together.

The lineup has been great all year, especially the top half. Spencer Brunson and Stuart Magee are in the conversation for Player of the Year at this point. If MC can put string together another good weekend against Ozarks, it would set up a big series at Tyler.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 04, 2011, 09:41:22 PM
Congratulations, Jake!

WEST DIVISION

HITTER OF THE WEEK

Jake Mullin, OF, Sr., McMurry

McMurry senior outfielder Jake Mullin (Burleson, TX / BHS) went 9-for-13 with three doubles and five RBIs over four games. Mullin had multiple hits in three games, scored four times and walked once. He also hurled 2 2/3 scoreless innings of relief and earned the save in a 4-3 ASC West Division win over Concordia Texas.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 05, 2011, 07:43:34 AM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on April 02, 2011, 10:13:43 PM
TLU swept by Sul Ross. Not sure if that's ever happened before. Not sure if they'd ever lost 2 of 3 to Sul Ross before.

Lots of firsts this year. UMHB had never beaten TLU 2 of 3 in Seguin before this year either. All of the teams appear to be pretty evenly matched this year, including Schreiner and Howard Payne.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 08, 2011, 10:43:24 AM
Seeing as though I havent been wrong on a single prediction I have publicly posted on here this year, I am going to make my predictions for this weekend.

Schreiner at TLU - TLU takes 2 of 3
McMurry at HPU - HPU Takes 2 of 3
HSU at SRSU - HSU takes 2 of 3
UMHB at CTX - UMHB takes 2 of 3

That would result in a standings of:

HSU         11-4
CTX           9-6
TLU           8-7
SRSU        7-8
HPU          7-8
UMHB        7-8
McMurry     6-9
Schreiner   5-10


A UMHB sweep this weekend of CTX would move them into 2 place if TLU doesnt sweep Schreiner.

All 8 teams could go into the final weekend playing for a conference tournament spot. This is going to be fun.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 08, 2011, 04:59:13 PM
Predicitons for the East

UTT takes 2 of 3 from LC
UTD sweeps LeTourneau
MC sweeps Ozarks
ETB out of Conference


Assuming the above outcomes going into next week:

UTT      12-3
UTD       9-3
LC         9-3
MC        8-4
ETBU     3-9
LeTour  3-11
Ozarks 1-14

The 4 teams for the playoffs are set but in what order is wide open. Also the East Division champ will host the playoffs this year so that is a big issue.

Texas BB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 08, 2011, 10:43:30 PM
UTT beats LC in first game 4-2. UTT shakes up the pitching order with Sherman pitching the first game going 8 innings for the win. Cleveland picked up his first save striking out 2 in a 1,2,3 9th inning.  Up until tonight Sherman threw the 7 inning game on Saturdays. UTT wanted to win the first game of this very important serires and thought Sherman could go at least 8.

Texas BB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 08, 2011, 11:47:49 PM
With the win tonight UTT hit the 30 win mark for the 6 th time in the 8 years it has had baseball. It is also the 5th year in a row.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 09, 2011, 06:55:14 PM
So much for predictions, UMHB swept.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 09, 2011, 07:33:22 PM
UTT and LC split today. LC won the first game 4-0 and UTT wins the second 6-4 with Cory Cleveland starting and winning. Cory had the save last night and went 6.1 in the nightcap. UTT takes 2 out of 3 which puts them in a good position but must battle their rival MC next week.

Texas BB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 09, 2011, 08:34:05 PM
Correction - UTT is only 29-3. They have not yet won their 30th game. They are 12-3 in the ASC.

::)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 10, 2011, 12:00:45 PM
The East playoff teams are likely set. How many wins will it take to "clinch" in the west?

Hardin-Simmons    12-3   
Concordia            11-4   
Texas Lutheran      9-6   
McMurry                      7-8   
Sul Ross State              6-9   
Howard Payne      6-9   
Mary Hardin-Baylor    5-10   
Schreiner                    4-11   

I think 11 is the magic #, but there could very well be a 10-11 team in the 4th slot, I think. And then aside from Hardin-Simmons, can any of these West teams beat the top 4 in the East?

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 10, 2011, 12:43:43 PM
The Bunched up teams all play eachother the next two weekends for that 4th spot in the West. It is even possible for a UMHB 9-12 team to get 4th place.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 11, 2011, 12:46:11 AM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on April 10, 2011, 12:00:45 PM
The East playoff teams are likely set. How many wins will it take to "clinch" in the west?

Hardin-Simmons    12-3   
Concordia            11-4   
Texas Lutheran      9-6   
McMurry                      7-8   
Sul Ross State              6-9   
Howard Payne      6-9   
Mary Hardin-Baylor    5-10   
Schreiner                    4-11   

I think 11 is the magic #, but there could very well be a 10-11 team in the 4th slot, I think. And then aside from Hardin-Simmons, can any of these West teams beat the top 4 in the East?

JSG
Yes, I believe that the series may split 2-2.  CTX/TLU  will host.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 15, 2011, 10:31:22 PM
Orosey pitches his butt off (9IP, 6H, 2ER, 9Ks) and TLU edges Hardin-Simmons 5-3. HSU put up a little fight in the bottom of the 9th, scoring a pair of runs on a 2-out double. Edwards had 3 hits for HSU, but Orosey held Weeks, Berlin, and Tarrant to an 0-10 night.

In other conference action:
LeTourneau 10 - Louisiana College 8
Concordia 15 - Schreiner 8
UMHB 6 - Howard Payne 1
Miss Coll 14 - UT Tyler 8
UTDallas 7 - ETBU 2
McMurry - SRSU (late)

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 15, 2011, 11:38:42 PM
Big win for McMurry 11-9 over SRSU.  Came from 7 runs down.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: DavidNichols on April 16, 2011, 10:53:46 AM
MC pounded out 18 hits and scored in six of nine innings to down UTT on Friday night.  Scott Trousdale came out of the bullpen to strike out 10 over 5.2 innings.  It was only the second time this season UTT has allowed double-digits in runs with the other coming against UT-Dallas.  Shane Bennett went 4-5 with a home run as four different Choctaws finished with at least three hits and three RBI.  Chad Sherman of UTT took his first loss of the season, allowing nine runs (only 4 ER) over 6.0 innings.  Sherman does not look to be 100%, and it will be interesting to see how he fares as the season goes along.  With this being Tyler's last conference series, I'm sure he will get some time to heal up before the conference tournament.  Bad news for the rest of the league!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 16, 2011, 04:33:19 PM
Great 1st game of the DH in Abilene.

So. RHP Spencer Smith pitched a 3-hit shutout, with 6 K's and 1 BB, to beat SRSU 1-0.

McMurry's Kory Moench got on base on an E-6, stole second and then scored on a single.


McMurry sweeps the series with SRSU with a 10-1 win in the nightcap.  McMurry's magic number to clinch the last seed in the West is 1 after the conclusion of the SRSU game.

UMHB scored in the bottom of the 9th to tie HPU at 9-all.  UMHB must win to game to prevent mathematical elimination from playoff contention.

CTX wins a pair of 1-run decisions over Schreiner to sweep that series.  CTX moves into first place in the West.  HSU won the CTX series 2 games to one.  CTX goes to TLU next weekend.

HSU lost the first 2 games of their series in Abilene with TLU, but lead 9-0 after 6 in game 2 of the DH.


HPU scored 3 in the top of the 11th to beat UMHB, 12-9.  McMurry clinches the last playoff spot.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 16, 2011, 07:10:30 PM
UTT came back today and swept the double header 3-1 and 1-0.  Surprising pitcher duels today once the wind let up. Yesterday the wind was blowing out at 30 mph with gusts to 50.

With the sweep today UTT finishes the confernce with a 14-4 record. UTD and LC face off next week. That series will determine the conference champion and first round seed. UTT can only watch. IF LC looses one then they tie UTT but UTT would win the first round seed due to head to head, IF UTD sweeps then they tie UTT but would win the first seed due to head to head. So UTD and LC need sweeps.

Texas BB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Chris Brooks on April 16, 2011, 07:56:53 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on April 16, 2011, 07:10:30 PM
UTT came back today and swept the double header 3-1 and 1-0.  Surprising pitcher duels today once the wind let up. Yesterday the wind was blowing out at 30 mph with gusts to 50.

With the sweep today UTT finishes the confernce with a 14-4 record. UTD and LC face off next week. That series will determine the conference champion and first round seed. UTT can only watch. IF LC looses one then they tie UTT but UTT would win the first round seed due to head to head, IF UTD sweeps then they tie UTT but would win the first seed due to head to head. So UTD and LC need sweeps.

Texas BB

You guys already have it wrapped up at 14-4. LC lost again at LeTourneau today giving them 5 losses, and UTD was swept at ETBU giving them 6 losses. The battle next weekend is for 2nd with MC with 6 losses and hosting LeTourneau. MC needs to sweep LeTourneau and then hope UTD takes 2 from LC.

Good series at Tyler, both games today could have gone either way. Ryan Glover carried a no-hitter into the 6th of the 7-inning game for MC, but UTT scored 3 to win 3-1. UTT got a sac fly to win the 3rd game 1-0. MC pitchers threw well all weekend which is a great sign heading into the tourney, and hats off to Tyler's staff for holding MC to one run in 16 innings today. MC entered the day 2nd in the nation in homeruns.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 18, 2011, 12:56:54 PM
It sure looks like the ASC will only have one team in the regionals this year - the conference tournament champion. UTT will be favored to win the tournament but if they don't, I think they stay home since the 2  losses would be to non-ranked teams.

Historically the ASC has only had 2 teams in the regional a couple of times and this year the overall quality in the confence appears to be down, which does not bode well for getting multiple teams into the regional.

Texas BB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 18, 2011, 06:49:24 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on April 18, 2011, 12:56:54 PM
It sure looks like the ASC will only have one team in the regionals this year - the conference tournament champion. UTT will be favored to win the tournament but if they don't, I think they stay home since the 2  losses would be to non-ranked teams.

Historically the ASC has only had 2 teams in the regional a couple of times and this year the overall quality in the confence appears to be down, which does not bode well for getting multiple teams into the regional.

Texas BB
Please remember that the losses to "non-Top 25 ranked" teams are not specifically considered in the primary cortieria.

The Regional Rankings come out on April 28!  That is when things start to get serious.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on April 21, 2011, 03:56:04 PM
Any one have any updates on the TLU-CTX game?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 21, 2011, 08:39:28 PM
Quote from: indian4life on April 21, 2011, 03:56:04 PM
Any one have any updates on the TLU-CTX game?

TLU 4 - Concordia 2 (Final)

Orosey went 8 2/3 to pick up his 3rd win of the season. Butschek went 8, gave up 2 ER and suffered his 2nd loss of the season.

Sr. RF Kyle Eaves had a 2-out, 2 RBI single in the 3rd. He went 2-4, w/ 2 RBI & a SB.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 21, 2011, 08:41:25 PM
LA College defeated UTD 6-2 in the 1st game of their weekend series.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: indian4life on April 21, 2011, 09:43:57 PM
McM-HSU canceled due to lightning
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 21, 2011, 11:40:46 PM
For what ever reason 2 games UTT had scheduled against Jarvis Christian were cancelled so their regular season is over. They finish 33-4 with a 30-4 record against West Region opponents and an East Division Championship. UTT has had 3 games cancelled against Jarvis Chistian this year. The last two games were supposed to be used for their non-weekend starters to give them work leading up to the playoffs.  It is time to find another team to play close non-conference games against. They may have to go to Dallas or FT. Worth and/or move and play teams like Dallas Babtist or UTA. Anything would be better than no games at all.

Texas BB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 22, 2011, 03:52:42 PM
McMurry 3, HSU 1.  Spencer Smith goes 6.1 innings for the win. Coleman gets a 1-2-3 DP to close out the game for the save.

Game #2 to follow.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 23, 2011, 10:32:46 PM
Predictions:

UT Tyler vs. McMurry
UT Dallas vs. Texas Lutheran
Hardin Simmons vs. Mississippi Coll
Concordia vs. Louisiana College

Go.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 24, 2011, 12:48:32 AM
My east bias may be showing but I think that the west will be hard pressed to win any series this year.

Texas BB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: El Hombre on April 24, 2011, 12:01:23 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on April 23, 2011, 10:32:46 PM
Predictions:

UT Tyler vs. McMurry
UT Dallas vs. Texas Lutheran
Hardin Simmons vs. Mississippi Coll
Concordia vs. Louisiana College

Go.

JSG

Predictions:
UT Tyler, UT Dallas, Hardin Simmons, Louisiana College

Champion:  UT Tyler
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 24, 2011, 04:32:53 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on April 23, 2011, 10:32:46 PM
Predictions:

UT Tyler vs. McMurry
UT Dallas vs. Texas Lutheran
Hardin Simmons vs. Mississippi Coll
Concordia vs. Louisiana College

Go.

JSG

I think this has potential to be an interesting weekend. Tyler over McMurry is the only series I'd put money on. It's been an interesting year when you have teams like Sul Ross sweeping La College & Texas Lutheran.

UTD vs. TLU:
I think UTD is a little bit better team than TLU, but if Orosey beats Derek Dallas in Game 1 I think the series gets really interesting really quick. It wouldn't surprise me to see UTD run Fink out there against Orosey confident Dallas and Prestridge can fend of TLU's #2 & #3. Neither team swings it great or plays terribly convincing defense so I think it's going to come down to the arms. I look for TLU to keep guys on short leashes as they have a lot of different guys they can run out there and leave the one's that get hot. I just don't think they'll be able to string together enough runs with this young offense. Dallas in 3.

HSU vs. MISS: Both of these teams can swing it. Throughout the year HSU has been better on the mound, but Mississippi always tends to scrounge together a few arms they know can throw, but they haven't had to use (see Bennett last year) to get to the playoffs. My heads tells me that Mississippi is going to hit HSU well, showcase the East's strength over the West this year and win in 3, but my gut says that in 9 years of following the ASC at some point you learn to stop picking against Steve Coleman unless he's trotting Kenneth Lay out there against TLU. Hardin Simmons in 3.  

Concordia vs. Louisiana College:
I think dp's spot on with respect to La College Home vs. Away. They took 2 of 3 from Hardin Simmons at home, but then got swept by Sul Ross at Kokernot Field (not unlike TLU). I think Prejean's going to be tough to beat, and I think Marks is the best position player in this series, but I think if CUA can keep the games relatively low scoring they can win the series. If it starts to get sloppy,  I think La College has a few more arms in the bullpen to run out there and then the advantage switches to them. Give me Concordia in 3.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 25, 2011, 08:41:20 AM
I think CTX will win the series vs Louisiana. Louisiana is tough at home, but very mediocre on the road.

I like the Miss College vs HSU series as the series to watch. Im picking HSU in 3 as well, but think this thing can go any direction.

UT Dallas beats TLU in 2. Orosey has to throw a complete game for TLU to get a win in this series in my opinion.

Tyler will make McMurry wish they hadn't won 4th place.



Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 26, 2011, 08:58:52 AM
http://www.cruathletics.com/news/2011/4/25/BB_0425110239.aspx

Dunaway named head coach at UMHB.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 29, 2011, 09:32:47 PM
Bottom of the 9th McMurry leading 4-1...

One out, runners on 1st and 2nd, grounder towards 3B;  third baseman boots the easy grounder,** unable to get a make-able 5-unassisted  to first  DP.  Bases are now loaded.

Another reliever comes in and walks 2 batters.  Now 4-3.
Walks 3 consecutive batters, 12 balls out of 14 pitches!  Tied at 4.

3-2 count on the next batter, fouled off,  Strike out.

Ground out to pitcher.  Going to the 10th.  Tied at 4!

AAARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That inning sums up the season!


Wow!  McMurry scores 2 in the top of the 13th.  Game 2 tomorrow.

Coleman gets the win after a rocky start in the 9th.  He pitches 4.2 innings in relief.


** CLARIFICIATION -- I spoke with some fans who were at the game and had a better resolution in their eyesight than the videocast on my monitor showed.  The ball took a bad hop that was not handled as cleanly as one would hope.  I interpreted what I saw as the bad hop hit him in his mental timing when he was already getting ready to make an accurate throw to first, before he had fielded the ball cleanly, touched third for the force out, and dug the ball out of the glove.  The bad hop really threw him out of his rhythm.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 29, 2011, 09:44:12 PM
Texas Lutheran defeats UT Dallas in the first game of the ASC tournament 7-2.

TLU broke it open with 5 in the top of the 8th. Orosey goes the distance giving up 7 hits, 2 earned runs,  1 BB and 7 K's.

Derek Dallas gets only his second loss of the year surrending 3 ER in 7.1 IP.

On paper UTD has better starting pitching left, and they're at home, but with TLU winning the 1st this turns into a pretty interesting series to watch.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 29, 2011, 09:49:12 PM
La College gets the best of Concordia 3-1. Reed goes 7 IP in the win.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 29, 2011, 10:08:01 PM
I must say UT Tyler has the best play by play announcer of anyone I have heard in the conference. Its night and day difference between the TLU announcer and the Tyler. Kudos to Tyler for a job well done in this regard.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 29, 2011, 10:55:58 PM
All 4 visting teams won the openers!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 29, 2011, 11:53:55 PM
Congrats to the Warhawks. I thought after the third walk with the bases loaded and only one out in the bottom fo the 9th Tyler had the game. But.....

Texas BB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 30, 2011, 11:35:36 AM
Quote from: dp643 on April 29, 2011, 10:08:01 PM
I must say UT Tyler has the best play by play announcer of anyone I have heard in the conference. Its night and day difference between the TLU announcer and the Tyler. Kudos to Tyler for a job well done in this regard.
I don't know if Bill Mercer did the UT-Dallas game.

Old timers will remember him from the DFW Spurs baseball teams, the Dallas Cowboys, the Dallas Texans, Texas Rangers. Southwest Conference football, UNT sports, and of course, Dallas Sportatorium Wrestling.  At 85 years of age, he still can turn a good phrase.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 30, 2011, 06:08:55 PM
CTX forces game #3 with a 19-9 win over LaCollege.

HSU 8-6 over MissCollege.  On to Game #3.

#2 East Texas-Dallas wins the DH 4-1 and 3-1 today and the series over #3 West TLU.

UTD to host the tourney next weekend.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 30, 2011, 09:44:07 PM
CTX punches their ticket into the 2nd round. HSU and MC in extra innings in game three. HSU tied it on a two out error in the bottom of the 9th
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 30, 2011, 10:08:07 PM
Quote from: dp643 on April 30, 2011, 09:44:07 PM
CTX punches their ticket into the 2nd round. HSU and MC in extra innings in game three. HSU tied it on a two out error in the bottom of the 9th
MC and HSU going to the 12th tied at 7!

MC gets 2 unearned runs in the top of the 12th.
HSU gets 2 unearned runs in the bottom of the 12th, but MC gets out of bases loaded one-out jam.  HSU has a runner picked off 2B for the third out of the inning.

Going to the 13th...

MC scores 2 in the top of the 13th. Leading 10-9 with bases loaded, MC hits a SAC fly to CF. One runner scores, but the runner at second is thrown out at third, cf to ss to 3b.  MC leads 11-9.

Bases loaded, one out.  HSU scores on a BB.
Two outs, bases loaded. HSU scores on a passed ball.  Tied at 11 and going to the 14th.

Top of the 14th, MC gets no runs, 1 hits and 2 LOB.
Bottom of the 14th, runners on 1st and 2nd, HSU hits a double off the fence in deep left field.  Final HSU wins 12-11.

The West wins 3 of 4 series. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 30, 2011, 11:16:07 PM
So much for the West being weaker than the East. I guess HSU has to be the favorite next weekend.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 30, 2011, 11:32:35 PM
Quote from: dp643 on April 30, 2011, 11:16:07 PM
So much for the West being weaker than the East. I guess HSU has to be the favorite next weekend.
But they were ASC-West Co-champs and were taken to extra innings twice by the ASC-East #4!

This is a wild conference!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 30, 2011, 11:42:17 PM
I think Tylers record is merely inflated by scheduling a weaker schedule with mostly home games. That may have showed this weekend. It will be interesting to see if they get a Pool C.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 30, 2011, 11:43:47 PM
Oshdude is a poster whose opinion and analysis I consider very carefully.  He makes some very good points about the Primary selection criteria and UTT's record.

They have no wins against regionally ranked teams, and the only possibility is UT-Dallas getting hot and winning the ASC.  UT-Dallas may have the ability to burst into the Regional Rankings with a sweep of the tourney. If so, then that would give UT-T a regionally ranked opponent, but they only went 1-2 against the Comets.  McMurry is not getting there, and UTT did not play HSU or ConcordiaTX.

Against teams in the top half of the ASC in the last 5 weeks of the season, UTT is only 7-6.

UTT finishes 31-6 in the West Region games.  My unsolicited opinion is that UTT needs to play some West Region teams in Arizona or southern California in February 2012.

Quote from: OshDude on April 30, 2011, 11:05:13 PM
Quote from: Jim Dixon on April 30, 2011, 07:51:04 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on April 30, 2011, 05:17:13 PM
With a #2 ranking in one of the stronger regions - I doubt it.  But they might sweat more than they otherwise would have! ;)

I agree.  This will mean a second bid for the ASC.  The NCAA will love not having to fly one team to a Texas regional.  I expect to see Trinity (Texas), Texas-Tyler and the ASC champ all at McMurry.
I'm not ready to cede a bid to Tyler. Zero results against regionally ranked teams and an SOS well under .500 doesn't pass the smell test, even with the West Factor in SOS accounted for. That SOS is one of the worst in the region.

Curious to see how far Tyler tumbles in the rankings. I see scenarios where UTT is sixth or out completely in Week 2. It obviously depends on what happens at other tourneys, but I'm not liking Tyler's chances.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on May 01, 2011, 04:18:28 AM
Quote from: TexasBB on April 24, 2011, 12:48:32 AM
My east bias may be showing but I think that the west will be hard pressed to win any series this year.

Texas BB

Yep. Bias shown.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on May 01, 2011, 04:24:53 AM
Playing Millsaps, Rhodes or Birmingham Southern would also be options. Doing a trip to Bama and playing Birmingham, Huntingdon and LaGrange would be good for their schedule. Playing Hendrix more than one game. Going to Rhodes and playing against Illinois Wesleyan and Marietta would help. They could schedule an out of conference date against Hardin-Simmons.

They have plenty of options. They don't even have as much excuse as some other Texas schools do since they're in east Texas.

Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 30, 2011, 11:43:47 PM
Oshdude is a poster whose opinion and analysis I consider very carefully.  He makes some very good points about the Primary selection criteria and UTT's record.

They have no wins against regionally ranked teams, and the only possibility is UT-Dallas getting hot and winning the ASC.  UT-Dallas may have the ability to burst into the Regional Rankings with a sweep of the tourney. If so, then that would give UT-T a regionally ranked opponent, but they only went 1-2 against the Comets.  McMurry is not getting there, and UTT did not play HSU or ConcordiaTX.

Against teams in the top half of the ASC in the last 5 weeks of the season, UTT is only 7-6.

UTT finishes 31-6 in the West Region games.  My unsolicited opinion is that UTT needs to play some West Region teams in Arizona or southern California in February 2012.

Quote from: OshDude on April 30, 2011, 11:05:13 PM
Quote from: Jim Dixon on April 30, 2011, 07:51:04 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on April 30, 2011, 05:17:13 PM
With a #2 ranking in one of the stronger regions - I doubt it.  But they might sweat more than they otherwise would have! ;)

I agree.  This will mean a second bid for the ASC.  The NCAA will love not having to fly one team to a Texas regional.  I expect to see Trinity (Texas), Texas-Tyler and the ASC champ all at McMurry.
I'm not ready to cede a bid to Tyler. Zero results against regionally ranked teams and an SOS well under .500 doesn't pass the smell test, even with the West Factor in SOS accounted for. That SOS is one of the worst in the region.

Curious to see how far Tyler tumbles in the rankings. I see scenarios where UTT is sixth or out completely in Week 2. It obviously depends on what happens at other tourneys, but I'm not liking Tyler's chances.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 01, 2011, 09:04:23 AM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on May 01, 2011, 04:24:53 AM
Playing Millsaps, Rhodes or Birmingham Southern would also be options. Doing a trip to Bama and playing Birmingham, Huntingdon and LaGrange would be good for their schedule. Playing Hendrix more than one game. Going to Rhodes and playing against Illinois Wesleyan and Marietta would help. They could schedule an out of conference date against Hardin-Simmons.

They have plenty of options. They don't even have as much excuse as some other Texas schools do since they're in east Texas.

Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 30, 2011, 11:43:47 PM
Oshdude is a poster whose opinion and analysis I consider very carefully.  He makes some very good points about the Primary selection criteria and UTT's record.

They have no wins against regionally ranked teams, and the only possibility is UT-Dallas getting hot and winning the ASC.  UT-Dallas may have the ability to burst into the Regional Rankings with a sweep of the tourney. If so, then that would give UT-T a regionally ranked opponent, but they only went 1-2 against the Comets.  McMurry is not getting there, and UTT did not play HSU or ConcordiaTX.

Against teams in the top half of the ASC in the last 5 weeks of the season, UTT is only 7-6.

UTT finishes 31-6 in the West Region games.  My unsolicited opinion is that UTT needs to play some West Region teams in Arizona or southern California in February 2012.

Quote from: OshDude on April 30, 2011, 11:05:13 PM
Quote from: Jim Dixon on April 30, 2011, 07:51:04 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on April 30, 2011, 05:17:13 PM
With a #2 ranking in one of the stronger regions - I doubt it.  But they might sweat more than they otherwise would have! ;)

I agree.  This will mean a second bid for the ASC.  The NCAA will love not having to fly one team to a Texas regional.  I expect to see Trinity (Texas), Texas-Tyler and the ASC champ all at McMurry.
I'm not ready to cede a bid to Tyler. Zero results against regionally ranked teams and an SOS well under .500 doesn't pass the smell test, even with the West Factor in SOS accounted for. That SOS is one of the worst in the region.

Curious to see how far Tyler tumbles in the rankings. I see scenarios where UTT is sixth or out completely in Week 2. It obviously depends on what happens at other tourneys, but I'm not liking Tyler's chances.
Thanks for posting on the ASC board.

Respectfully, UT-Tyler's in-region games can come from schools that are in:

(1) the ASC,
(2) the West Evaluation Region,
(3) Administrative Region #4 (the states of TX, OK, KS, MO, IL, WI and westward),
(4) and any other school within a 200 mile radius of Tyler, which is not applicable.

BSC, Hendrix, MIllsaps, Rhodes, etc., don't help them.

Playing games against CSS, the WIAC and the MIAC in the Metrodome, before the lid fell in, might have been another option for us teams in the ASC.  However, if I want to travel to play a game, I want to go to places like AZ to play SCIAC and NWC teams in February.   ;)

McMurry has held home-and home 3-game series with Chapman for several years.  McMurry went to Chapman this year.

Teams don't like to schedule tough in-region games if there is a difference in the progress of the season.  Illinois Wesleyan doesn't mind playing non-in-region games for their #5 and #6 games in the season at Millsaps and Mississippi College in mid-March when it is game #20 and #21 for those MS teams, because the game is not "in-region".
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 01, 2011, 10:21:32 AM
Whether UT Tyler was overrated or not, you have to give Mad props to McMurry for going in there and taking it to them. Myself and probably everyone in Division 3 thought they had no chance of going in there and taking the series, much less winning in 2. I would love to see them make a deep run or even win the whole thing.

They did the exact polar opposite of what Tyler did. Look at their non conference schedule and discretionary scheduling compared to Tyler. It was impressive to say the least, and I still think it played a role in determining the outcome of that series.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 01, 2011, 10:36:49 AM
Did anyone else notice that Concordia started a pitcher in game three (Scott Hays) who hadn't thrown but 6 innings all year? I find that interesting. If they have found another arm, they could easily make a deep run in this tournament as well.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on May 01, 2011, 01:50:10 PM
Does UT-Tyler deserve a Pool C bid after going 2 and BBQ in the 1st round of the ASC Conference tourney that was a 4th seed with a overall losing record?  I say win it or lose on the field. I believe UT-Tyler has lost their Pool C bid on the field.

Props to McMurry to beat UT-Tyler and scheduling top programs in the West Region.

It would be nice to see McMurry be there on the field to host the West Regional !!  ;D
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: playball on May 02, 2011, 12:59:20 AM
So you are saying Texas Tyler doesn't deserve a pool C bid?  Even with the season they have had?   
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on May 02, 2011, 08:20:56 AM
Quote from: playball on May 02, 2011, 12:59:20 AM
So you are saying Texas Tyler doesn't deserve a pool C bid?  Even with the season they have had?   

I'm in agreement with OshDude regarding Tyler:

Quote from: OshDude on April 30, 2011, 11:05:13 PM

I'm not ready to cede a bid to Tyler. Zero results against regionally ranked teams and an SOS well under .500 doesn't pass the smell test, even with the West Factor in SOS accounted for. That SOS is one of the worst in the region.

Curious to see how far Tyler tumbles in the rankings. I see scenarios where UTT is sixth or out completely in Week 2. It obviously depends on what happens at other tourneys, but I'm not liking Tyler's chances.

...The problem is I don't know who would replace them in the west.

They play a very favorable home schedule, and to date haven't played any regionally ranked opponents. Like Ralph said, against the top half of the ASC in the in the last half of the season they're merely 7-6.

The bids were different then, but a 37-6 TLU team was left home in 2003 after losing a few late conference games and 2 of 3 in the ASC conference tournament.

Do I think Tyler has the potential to play well an impact the West Regional? Yes.

Has their body of work earned them a spot? That, I don't know.

In the last few years I only recall the ASC getting multiple bids twice (2007 UTD/TLU), and last year (Tyler/Miss). The ASC has been better than the SCIAC in the West Regional, but until they can get over the hump and win one, I think voters are going to be hesitant to pull the trigger.

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 02, 2011, 08:34:52 AM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on May 02, 2011, 08:20:56 AM
Quote from: playball on May 02, 2011, 12:59:20 AM
So you are saying Texas Tyler doesn't deserve a pool C bid?  Even with the season they have had?  

I'm in agreement with OshDude regarding Tyler:

Quote from: OshDude on April 30, 2011, 11:05:13 PM

I'm not ready to cede a bid to Tyler. Zero results against regionally ranked teams and an SOS well under .500 doesn't pass the smell test, even with the West Factor in SOS accounted for. That SOS is one of the worst in the region.

Curious to see how far Tyler tumbles in the rankings. I see scenarios where UTT is sixth or out completely in Week 2. It obviously depends on what happens at other tourneys, but I'm not liking Tyler's chances.

...The problem is I don't know who would replace them in the west.

They play a very favorable home schedule, and to date haven't played any regionally ranked opponents. Like Ralph said, against the top half of the ASC in the in the last half of the season they're merely 7-6.

The bids were different then, but a 37-6 TLU team was left home in 2003 after losing a few late conference games and 2 of 3 in the ASC conference tournament.

Do I think Tyler has the potential to play well an impact the West Regional? Yes.

Has their body of work earned them a spot? That, I don't know.

In the last few years I only recall the ASC getting multiple bids twice (2007 UTD/TLU), and last year (Tyler/Miss). The ASC has been better than the SCIAC in the West Regional, but until they can get over the hump and win one, I think voters are going to be hesitant to pull the trigger.

JSG
I believe that there were only 3 Pool C bids in 2003.

The NCAA (and in turn D-III) gets its playoff monies from the D-1 March Madness TV contract.  That is why we have 15 Pool C bids under the current TV contract.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on May 02, 2011, 09:49:29 AM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on May 02, 2011, 08:20:56 AM
Quote from: playball on May 02, 2011, 12:59:20 AM
So you are saying Texas Tyler doesn't deserve a pool C bid?  Even with the season they have had?   

I'm in agreement with OshDude regarding Tyler:

Quote from: OshDude on April 30, 2011, 11:05:13 PM

I'm not ready to cede a bid to Tyler. Zero results against regionally ranked teams and an SOS well under .500 doesn't pass the smell test, even with the West Factor in SOS accounted for. That SOS is one of the worst in the region.

Curious to see how far Tyler tumbles in the rankings. I see scenarios where UTT is sixth or out completely in Week 2. It obviously depends on what happens at other tourneys, but I'm not liking Tyler's chances.

...The problem is I don't know who would replace them in the west.

They play a very favorable home schedule, and to date haven't played any regionally ranked opponents. Like Ralph said, against the top half of the ASC in the in the last half of the season they're merely 7-6.

The bids were different then, but a 37-6 TLU team was left home in 2003 after losing a few late conference games and 2 of 3 in the ASC conference tournament.

Do I think Tyler has the potential to play well an impact the West Regional? Yes.

Has their body of work earned them a spot? That, I don't know.

In the last few years I only recall the ASC getting multiple bids twice (2007 UTD/TLU), and last year (Tyler/Miss). The ASC has been better than the SCIAC in the West Regional, but until they can get over the hump and win one, I think voters are going to be hesitant to pull the trigger.

JSG



A team can come from another region. It has happen before in other regions.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 02, 2011, 10:14:55 AM
Quote from: playball on May 02, 2011, 12:59:20 AM
So you are saying Texas Tyler doesn't deserve a pool C bid?  Even with the season they have had?  
Thanks for the response, playball.

The season that they had will be evaluated by the Regional and National Committees by these cirtieria.



Primary Criteria
The primary criteria emphasize regional competition (all contests leading up to NCAA championships); all criteria listed will be evaluated (not listed in priority order).  My italics.

• Win-loss percentage against regional opponents.         30-6  (.833)
• Strength-of-schedule (only contests versus regional competition). 480; nationally, we see .530-.550 in the better teams.    
- Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OWP).   0.463  - They did not play anyone good in non-division games.
- Opponents' Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OOWP).  0.512*
• See Appendix B for explanation of OWP and OOWP calculations. Link to West Region SOS (http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/pdf/staticpdfrank)
• In-region head-to-head competition.                              They played no ranked teams in the West Region.
• In-region results versus common regional opponents.   They played no ranked teams in the West Region.
• In-region results versus regionally ranked teams. They played no ranked teams in the West Region.
• Ranked opponents are defined as those teams ranked at any time of the rankings/selection process.  They played no ranked teams in the West Region.
• Conference postseason contests are included.  They were swept by a team that was 15-25 in the first round.
• Contests versus provisional and reclassifying members in their third and fourth years shall count in the primary criteria.  N/A
Provisional and reclassifying members shall remain ineligible for rankings and selection.

*The ASC is a closed system. Everyone in the ASC has an OOWP around 0.500.  You have to find 3-6 games in non-conference, preferably from the west coast or other in-region (non-Texas)  that are against strong respected programs to help this number.  (Just a fact of life for the ASC.)

#5 Ranking in Top 25 poll is not a criterion.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on May 02, 2011, 12:13:31 PM
Bottom line is if you dont win your conference tourney you can expect to stay home. UTT should have at least got to the Conference Tourney Championship game to assure a Pool C bid.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 02, 2011, 08:09:59 PM
UTT was left at home 3 years ago in a similar situation. If you lay an egg in the conference tournament, expecially when you are playing at home, then you can't expect to advance. You must win the games you are supposed to win. Had they lost in the finals then that would be different.

However, I think it was last year that Trinity also laid an egg in thier conference tournament in the first round but did advance to the Regional.

Tyler can only hope that their entire body of work with 30-6 region record is enough.



Texas BB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 03, 2011, 08:27:20 AM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 02, 2011, 08:09:59 PM
UTT was left at home 3 years ago in a similar situation. If you lay an egg in the conference tournament, expecially when you are playing at home, then you can't expect to advance. You must win the games you are supposed to win. Had they lost in the finals then that would be different.

However, I think it was last year that Trinity also laid an egg in thier conference tournament in the first round but did advance to the Regional.

Tyler can only hope that their entire body of work with 30-6 region record is enough.



Texas BB

Trinity won the SCAC last year
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 03, 2011, 08:43:45 AM
Quote from: dp643 on May 03, 2011, 08:27:20 AM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 02, 2011, 08:09:59 PM
UTT was left at home 3 years ago in a similar situation. If you lay an egg in the conference tournament, expecially when you are playing at home, then you can't expect to advance. You must win the games you are supposed to win. Had they lost in the finals then that would be different.

However, I think it was last year that Trinity also laid an egg in thier conference tournament in the first round but did advance to the Regional.

Tyler can only hope that their entire body of work with 30-6 region record is enough.



Texas BB

Trinity won the SCAC last year
I believe that he is referring the 2009 season when Hendrix won the conference tourney.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: infielddad on May 03, 2011, 09:13:27 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 03, 2011, 08:43:45 AM
Quote from: dp643 on May 03, 2011, 08:27:20 AM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 02, 2011, 08:09:59 PM
UTT was left at home 3 years ago in a similar situation. If you lay an egg in the conference tournament, expecially when you are playing at home, then you can't expect to advance. You must win the games you are supposed to win. Had they lost in the finals then that would be different.

However, I think it was last year that Trinity also laid an egg in thier conference tournament in the first round but did advance to the Regional.

Tyler can only hope that their entire body of work with 30-6 region record is enough.



Texas BB

Trinity won the SCAC last year
I believe that he is referring the 2009 season when Hendrix won the conference tourney.

Ralph,
Trinity did not receive a Pool C in 2009.  Texas BB might be referring to 2006, but the impressions are not what happened, and  might have faded with time. TU has been a pool A in 2004, 2008, 2010 and 2011.
In 2006, TU did receive a Pool C when they had a very good season, were nationally ranked, and they lost the SCAC Championship game to nationally ranked Millsaps.
In 2003, Trinity had a similar season and tournament result with this years UT Tyler team...and did not get a Pool C.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 03, 2011, 09:20:47 AM
Is everyone ready for my predictions this weekend? I went 3 for 4 last weekend.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 03, 2011, 01:45:34 PM
I had the teams wrong in my earlier post. It was 2009 and the team was Millsaps. They were 32-6 going into their conference tournament and lost back to back games to teams with losing records. They lost the first game to Centre College 4-2, and the next day lost to Hendrix 9-8. They hosted the tournament that year. They finished the season 32-8 with a 29-5 mark in the region. They received a Pool C bid to the Central Regional Tournament where they did very well but fell short of going to the World Series.

Texas BB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on May 03, 2011, 05:31:37 PM
Quote from: infielddad on May 03, 2011, 09:13:27 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 03, 2011, 08:43:45 AM
Quote from: dp643 on May 03, 2011, 08:27:20 AM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 02, 2011, 08:09:59 PM
UTT was left at home 3 years ago in a similar situation. If you lay an egg in the conference tournament, expecially when you are playing at home, then you can't expect to advance. You must win the games you are supposed to win. Had they lost in the finals then that would be different.

However, I think it was last year that Trinity also laid an egg in thier conference tournament in the first round but did advance to the Regional.

Tyler can only hope that their entire body of work with 30-6 region record is enough.



Texas BB

Trinity won the SCAC last year
I believe that he is referring the 2009 season when Hendrix won the conference tourney.

Ralph,
Trinity did not receive a Pool C in 2009.  Texas BB might be referring to 2006, but the impressions are not what happened, and  might have faded with time. TU has been a pool A in 2004, 2008, 2010 and 2011.
In 2006, TU did receive a Pool C when they had a very good season, were nationally ranked, and they lost the SCAC Championship game to nationally ranked Millsaps.
In 2003, Trinity had a similar season and tournament result with this years UT Tyler team...and did not get a Pool C.

Weren't there only like 5 Pool C berths in the whole country around that time? That seems like about when that insanity took place.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 03, 2011, 05:41:44 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on May 03, 2011, 05:31:37 PM
Quote from: infielddad on May 03, 2011, 09:13:27 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 03, 2011, 08:43:45 AM
Quote from: dp643 on May 03, 2011, 08:27:20 AM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 02, 2011, 08:09:59 PM
UTT was left at home 3 years ago in a similar situation. If you lay an egg in the conference tournament, expecially when you are playing at home, then you can't expect to advance. You must win the games you are supposed to win. Had they lost in the finals then that would be different.

However, I think it was last year that Trinity also laid an egg in thier conference tournament in the first round but did advance to the Regional.

Tyler can only hope that their entire body of work with 30-6 region record is enough.



Texas BB

Trinity won the SCAC last year
I believe that he is referring the 2009 season when Hendrix won the conference tourney.

Ralph,
Trinity did not receive a Pool C in 2009.  Texas BB might be referring to 2006, but the impressions are not what happened, and  might have faded with time. TU has been a pool A in 2004, 2008, 2010 and 2011.
In 2006, TU did receive a Pool C when they had a very good season, were nationally ranked, and they lost the SCAC Championship game to nationally ranked Millsaps.
In 2003, Trinity had a similar season and tournament result with this years UT Tyler team...and did not get a Pool C.

Weren't there only like 5 Pool C berths in the whole country around that time? That seems like about when that insanity took place.
Yes. We can thank the current March Madness TV contract for the extra Pool C bids in all sports!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 03, 2011, 05:47:08 PM
I think Tyler gets a bid but doesnt deserve it. They played a very very weak schedule, with almost every discretionary game being at home. This attributed to a very inflated win total. Id say their only road series that halfway impressed me was sweeping TLU in Seguin. But given the fact that TLU was 11-11 at home this year, and that Orosey was coming off of an injury and could only throw 5 innings that series, that sweep looks much less impressive too.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on May 03, 2011, 06:04:56 PM
Quote from: dp643 on May 03, 2011, 05:47:08 PM
I think Tyler gets a bid but doesnt deserve it. They played a very very weak schedule, with almost every discretionary game being at home. This attributed to a very inflated win total. Id say their only road series that halfway impressed me was sweeping TLU in Seguin. But given the fact that TLU was 11-11 at home this year, and that Orosey was coming off of an injury and could only throw 5 innings that series, that sweep looks much less impressive too.

UTT SOS is at 287 out of 370 teams. Their OWP ranked 312th. They also played only 14 games out of 39 on the road !  ???

http://www.d3baseball.com/seasons/2011/schedule?tmpl=sos-template
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: El Hombre on May 03, 2011, 07:15:20 PM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 03, 2011, 06:04:56 PM
Quote from: dp643 on May 03, 2011, 05:47:08 PM
I think Tyler gets a bid but doesnt deserve it. They played a very very weak schedule, with almost every discretionary game being at home. This attributed to a very inflated win total. Id say their only road series that halfway impressed me was sweeping TLU in Seguin. But given the fact that TLU was 11-11 at home this year, and that Orosey was coming off of an injury and could only throw 5 innings that series, that sweep looks much less impressive too.

UTT SOS is at 287 out of 370 teams. Their OWP ranked 312th. They also played only 14 games out of 39 on the road !  ???

http://www.d3baseball.com/seasons/2011/schedule?tmpl=sos-template

Playing in the ASC, one would certainly assume their SOS would be higher than that!  But the facts and stats don't lie.  It just shows how important it is to play a stronger schedule.  It will be interesting to see how it turns out for UTT in the end.  If they bet a bid, they will certainly be playing with a vengeance to prove they belong.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 03, 2011, 07:27:20 PM
If you are UT-T, you want all the leading teams who haven't clinched Pool As to do well this weekend.  Upsets in conference tourneys will only increase the competition for Pool C's, and they don't have many intangibles (or tangibles) other than that gaudy record. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 03, 2011, 07:41:10 PM
Quote from: El Hombre on May 03, 2011, 07:15:20 PM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 03, 2011, 06:04:56 PM
Quote from: dp643 on May 03, 2011, 05:47:08 PM
I think Tyler gets a bid but doesnt deserve it. They played a very very weak schedule, with almost every discretionary game being at home. This attributed to a very inflated win total. Id say their only road series that halfway impressed me was sweeping TLU in Seguin. But given the fact that TLU was 11-11 at home this year, and that Orosey was coming off of an injury and could only throw 5 innings that series, that sweep looks much less impressive too.

UTT SOS is at 287 out of 370 teams. Their OWP ranked 312th. They also played only 14 games out of 39 on the road !  ???

http://www.d3baseball.com/seasons/2011/schedule?tmpl=sos-template

Playing in the ASC, one would certainly assume their SOS would be higher than that!  But the facts and stats don't lie.  It just shows how important it is to play a stronger schedule.  It will be interesting to see how it turns out for UTT in the end.  If they bet a bid, they will certainly be playing with a vengeance to prove they belong.
The best way to raise the SOS is to be in an area where there are about 60-80 teams, who have played about 100 in-region opponents amongst themselves.

Then, you limit your conference exposure to less than half of your games (14-18 at most).  With the remaining games (22-26), you try to find 12-15 opponents who do not have losing records.

Believe it or not, you can do this in the New England and the Mid-Atlantic Regions.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on May 03, 2011, 08:37:52 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 03, 2011, 05:41:44 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on May 03, 2011, 05:31:37 PM
Quote from: infielddad on May 03, 2011, 09:13:27 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 03, 2011, 08:43:45 AM
Quote from: dp643 on May 03, 2011, 08:27:20 AM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 02, 2011, 08:09:59 PM
UTT was left at home 3 years ago in a similar situation. If you lay an egg in the conference tournament, expecially when you are playing at home, then you can't expect to advance. You must win the games you are supposed to win. Had they lost in the finals then that would be different.

However, I think it was last year that Trinity also laid an egg in thier conference tournament in the first round but did advance to the Regional.

Tyler can only hope that their entire body of work with 30-6 region record is enough.



Texas BB

Trinity won the SCAC last year
I believe that he is referring the 2009 season when Hendrix won the conference tourney.

Ralph,
Trinity did not receive a Pool C in 2009.  Texas BB might be referring to 2006, but the impressions are not what happened, and  might have faded with time. TU has been a pool A in 2004, 2008, 2010 and 2011.
In 2006, TU did receive a Pool C when they had a very good season, were nationally ranked, and they lost the SCAC Championship game to nationally ranked Millsaps.
In 2003, Trinity had a similar season and tournament result with this years UT Tyler team...and did not get a Pool C.

Weren't there only like 5 Pool C berths in the whole country around that time? That seems like about when that insanity took place.
Yes. We can thank the current March Madness TV contract for the extra Pool C bids in all sports!

Yeah, I missed that earlier in the thread. Sorry.

IMO they should have waited until after the expansion to enact the full auto bid system though. Basically ruined about 3 postseasons.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Voorhees on May 03, 2011, 09:07:14 PM
Enough with trying to guess at a system that only will come down to how the final west region rankings stand, then the other regions rankings for their teams remaining....

How about some predictions?

Who's seen many games this year? I saw one of McM at HSU, and watched TLU get double dipped in Richardson this weekend. I thought HSU had the best potential to hit. I thought UTD has a few pitchers that will be tough, and I also saw them flash some leather.

Someone with more experience and who's a little smarter than this dumb jock please tell me what I'm gonna see this weekend!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 03, 2011, 09:25:16 PM
Quote from: Voorhees on May 03, 2011, 09:07:14 PM
Enough with trying to guess at a system that only will come down to how the final west region rankings stand, then the other regions rankings for their teams remaining....

How about some predictions?

Who's seen many games this year? I saw one of McM at HSU, and watched TLU get double dipped in Richardson this weekend. I thought HSU had the best potential to hit. I thought UTD has a few pitchers that will be tough, and I also saw them flash some leather.

Someone with more experience and who's a little smarter than this dumb jock please tell me what I'm gonna see this weekend!
Okay, I will bite.

A very young McMurry team may be growing up after a tough season.

I like McM's chances in the tourney.  I especially like their draw.  CTX is always a challenging game.

I also like that HSU goes against UTD.  I like HSU.  Catching HSU on Day-2 will be a good game.

I have UTD vs CTX in Game #3.  I don't know who wins that game.

If we beat HSU in Game #4, then we would catch the "loser's bracket" in Game #6 on Sunday.

I am extremely proud of the job that Coach Byington has done with a very young team.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 03, 2011, 10:58:23 PM
You will see ctx win the whole thing.

Ctx over mcmurry.
Hsu over Dallas.

Ctx over hsu.

Dallas over mcmurry.
Hsu over Dallas.

Hsu over ctx. Ctx over hsu to win it all.

Personally though I'm rooting for Mcmurry. What a story that would be.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 04, 2011, 01:00:48 PM
This weekend with the wind projected to be blowing in from Center and Right field, I am going to say it comes down to pitching and defense.

Heres where the 4 teams rank in BA, ERA, and Fielding:

1. HSU        .324
2. CTX         .308
3. McM         .295
3. UTD         .285


1. UTD        3.89
2. HSU        3.99
3. CTX        4.48
4. McM        6.01


1. HSU         .967
2. CTX          .963
3. McM         .952
4. UTD          .948
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on May 04, 2011, 01:19:22 PM
Quote from: dp643 on May 03, 2011, 10:58:23 PM
You will see ctx win the whole thing.

Ctx over mcmurry.
Hsu over Dallas.

Ctx over hsu.

Dallas over mcmurry.
Hsu over Dallas.

Hsu over ctx. Ctx over hsu to win it all.

Personally though I'm rooting for Mcmurry. What a story that would be.


I pick McMurry the underdog to win the ASC conference tourney.

Why ------ They get to play at home in the Regionals. Early season series with Chapman prepared them to play against the best
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on May 04, 2011, 01:23:27 PM
If McMurry wins it, I fear for Ralph's health:) I'd expect to hear of his collapse at the news within minutes though.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on May 04, 2011, 01:27:51 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 04, 2011, 01:23:27 PM
If McMurry wins it, I fear for Ralph's health:) I'd expect to hear of his collapse at the news within minutes though.
I would expect Ralph to be there at the ASC championship game doing a Al Michaels impression after McMurry wins.

Do you believe in Miracles

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTev5pSuYLk
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 04, 2011, 01:41:46 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 04, 2011, 01:23:27 PM
If McMurry wins it, I fear for Ralph's health:) I'd expect to hear of his collapse at the news within minutes though.

This is awesome.



McMurry has no chance whatsoever of winning, but I will be pulling for them.

Im very curious to see what this new pitcher from CTX has in store.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 04, 2011, 02:11:23 PM
Which new pitcher for CTX?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 04, 2011, 02:21:21 PM
Scott Hays, LHP transfer from Alabama

Rumor has it he was coming off an injury which cost him the first part of the season.

Hes thrown 12 2/3 innings all year, of which 6 came in a game three start vs LA College.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hatbaseball on May 04, 2011, 02:32:56 PM
Quote from: dp643 on April 25, 2011, 08:41:20 AM

Tyler will make McMurry wish they hadn't won 4th place.


dp643 you obviously don't have much faith in McMurry.  In your prediction for the 1st round you said "Tyler would make McMurry wish they hadn't won 4th place" and now your saying "McMurry has no chance whatsoever of winning"

Granted McMurry's record is not stellar but they have played a very tough schedule and gave away a number of games throughout the year that they should have won.  Last weekend against Tyler it looked like they may revert to the "give away" mode but they stepped up and pulled it out.  I'm obviously biased but McMurry is much better than their record indicates. 

I've been to most of the games this season and too many times we were walking away saying "how on earth did we lose that game".  The coaches made a few changes late in the season that have made huge differences in the team's play and attitude.  After taking out Tyler last weekend they now truly believe that they can win.  That was a big problem early in the season.

I don't know if McMurry will win it all this weekend but I think they have as good as chance as anyone. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: El Hombre on May 04, 2011, 02:33:35 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 02, 2011, 10:14:55 AM
Quote from: playball on May 02, 2011, 12:59:20 AM
So you are saying Texas Tyler doesn't deserve a pool C bid?  Even with the season they have had?  
Thanks for the response, playball.

The season that they had will be evaluated by the Regional and National Committees by these cirtieria.



Primary Criteria
The primary criteria emphasize regional competition (all contests leading up to NCAA championships); all criteria listed will be evaluated (not listed in priority order).  My italics.

• Win-loss percentage against regional opponents.         30-6  (.833)
• Strength-of-schedule (only contests versus regional competition). 480; nationally, we see .530-.550 in the better teams.    
- Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OWP).   0.463  - They did not play anyone good in non-division games.
- Opponents' Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OOWP).  0.512*
• See Appendix B for explanation of OWP and OOWP calculations. Link to West Region SOS (http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/pdf/staticpdfrank)
• In-region head-to-head competition.                              They played no ranked teams in the West Region.
• In-region results versus common regional opponents.   They played no ranked teams in the West Region.
• In-region results versus regionally ranked teams. They played no ranked teams in the West Region.
• Ranked opponents are defined as those teams ranked at any time of the rankings/selection process.  They played no ranked teams in the West Region.
• Conference postseason contests are included.  They were swept by a team that was 15-25 in the first round.
• Contests versus provisional and reclassifying members in their third and fourth years shall count in the primary criteria.  N/A
Provisional and reclassifying members shall remain ineligible for rankings and selection.

*The ASC is a closed system. Everyone in the ASC has an OOWP around 0.500.  You have to find 3-6 games in non-conference, preferably from the west coast or other in-region (non-Texas)  that are against strong respected programs to help this number.  (Just a fact of life for the ASC.)

#5 Ranking in Top 25 poll is not a criterion.


Ralph -
Does the D3 Baseball.com/NCBWA "Top 25" Rankings figure into the bid process at all?  There is a lot of discussion about UTT not receiving a Pool C bid, however they are still ranked #11 in the Top 25?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 04, 2011, 02:37:57 PM
Quote from: dp643 on April 30, 2011, 11:16:07 PM
So much for the West being weaker than the East. I guess HSU has to be the favorite next weekend.

Quote from: hatbaseball on May 04, 2011, 02:32:56 PM


Quote from: dp643 on April 25, 2011, 08:41:20 AM

Tyler will make McMurry wish they hadn't won 4th place.


dp643 you obviously don't have much faith in McMurry.  In your prediction for the 1st round you said "Tyler would make McMurry wish they hadn't won 4th place" and now your saying "McMurry has no chance whatsoever of winning"

Granted McMurry's record is not stellar but they have played a very tough schedule and gave away a number of games throughout the year that they should have won.  Last weekend against Tyler it looked like they may revert to the "give away" mode but they stepped up and pulled it out.  I'm obviously biased but McMurry is much better than their record indicates. 

I've been to most of the games this season and too many times we were walking away saying "how on earth did we lose that game".  The coaches made a few changes late in the season that have made huge differences in the team's play and attitude.  After taking out Tyler last weekend they now truly believe that they can win.  That was a big problem early in the season.

I don't know if McMurry will win it all this weekend but I think they have as good as chance as anyone. 
Hey, hat!  Welcome back after a long vacation.

I will give dp643 some credit for acknowledging the results of his predictions.   ;)

Honestly, I think that the best way for McMurry to win the ASC was to be the 4th.  I like their draw.   :)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 04, 2011, 02:42:58 PM
No, El Hombre. The Top 25 has no bearing on the Poll; it is not one of the criteria.

Tyler just laid an egg in the McMurry series.  UTT had beaten McMurry on the same field a week earlier, and then did not play a weekend series against Jarvis Christian, for whatever reason.  (No malice assumed.)

Practically speaking, the Conference tourneys are the start of the playoffs.

We have 15 Pool C bids, courtesy of the March Madness TV Money. I think that West Region will get one Pool  AC bid.  We will need to see how the ASC tourney falls out to see whom that will be.


Correction -- one Pool "C" bid.  Thanks to Ron Boerger.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on May 04, 2011, 02:45:19 PM
Is the "once-ranked/always-ranked" system applied to regionally ranked opponents?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 04, 2011, 02:55:23 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 04, 2011, 02:42:58 PMI think that West Region will get one Pool A bid.

I know our good friend Ralph meant Pool C bid.   There would be quite an uproar if there was only one Pool A in the West.   :)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: El Hombre on May 04, 2011, 02:56:31 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 04, 2011, 02:42:58 PM
No, El Hombre. The Top 25 has no bearing on the Poll; it is not one of the criteria.

Tyler just laid an egg in the McMurry series.  UTT had beaten McMurry on the same field a week earlier, and then did not play a weekend series against Jarvis Christian, for whatever reason.  (No malice assumed.)

Practically speaking, the Conference tourneys are the start of the playoffs.

We have 15 Pool C bids, courtesy of the March Madness TV Money. I think that West Region will get one Pool A bid.  We will need to see how the ASC tourney falls out to see whom that will be.



Thanks for the update.  
It appears that the D3Baseball.com/NCBWA Top 25 rankings is based on their own personal assessment, whereas the "NCAA bid selection committee" uses the criteria you have previously listed.  Otherwise, UTT would appear to be a lock for a bid.  It is hard to imagine that the NCBWA would rank UTT so high, yet the NCAA would deny them a bid.  Is this a fair assessment?  Also, (if I may ask) do you feel UTT should receive a pool C bid?  
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 04, 2011, 04:44:42 PM
I definitely ate crow after that prediction. But on paper you can't blame me for the prediction.

I am pulling for mcmurry to win it all because they do continue to prove me wrong.

You are absolutely right in saying they have as good a chance as anyone right now.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on May 04, 2011, 10:50:33 PM
I'll take UT-Dallas. They won't face anyone the caliber of Orosey this weekend and I think the #1/#2 combo of Dallas/Prestridge gives them an excellent chance to be the undefeated team after the 1st two games. That's a tough hill to climb.

UTD over Concordia in the final game.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 05, 2011, 12:08:39 AM
Looking back I think the 2 games that McMurrey had against UTT at the end of the season really benefited the Warhawks. The coaching staff learned something and the team having played UTT also leaned something. Those two games were close and if nothing else showed McMurrey that UTT had weaknesses and gave them the confidence that they could compete with them. Keep in mind going into the weekend conference tournament UTT had not lost a single game to a west division opponent.

I think it was smart on the part of the Warhawks coaching staff to schedule those two games.

Texas BB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: OshDude on May 05, 2011, 08:59:23 AM
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 04, 2011, 02:45:19 PM
Is the "once-ranked/always-ranked" system applied to regionally ranked opponents?
Yes. The only way that "once ranked, always ranked" comes into play is when figuring results against regionally ranked opponents.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 05, 2011, 09:34:21 AM
Quote from: El Hombre on May 04, 2011, 02:56:31 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 04, 2011, 02:42:58 PM
No, El Hombre. The Top 25 has no bearing on the Poll; it is not one of the criteria.

Tyler just laid an egg in the McMurry series.  UTT had beaten McMurry on the same field a week earlier, and then did not play a weekend series against Jarvis Christian, for whatever reason.  (No malice assumed.)

Practically speaking, the Conference tourneys are the start of the playoffs.

We have 15 Pool C bids, courtesy of the March Madness TV Money. I think that West Region will get one Pool A bid.  We will need to see how the ASC tourney falls out to see whom that will be.



Thanks for the update.  
It appears that the D3Baseball.com/NCBWA Top 25 rankings is based on their own personal assessment, whereas the "NCAA bid selection committee" uses the criteria you have previously listed.  Otherwise, UTT would appear to be a lock for a bid.  It is hard to imagine that the NCBWA would rank UTT so high, yet the NCAA would deny them a bid.  Is this a fair assessment?  Also, (if I may ask) do you feel UTT should receive a pool C bid?  

UTT has a history of being a quality team, Top 50-75, every year, at the top of a very competitive conference.

UTT had the quick start and were #11 by the Feb 27th poll.  The teams ahead of them in the early season rankings began to fall, and UTT began to float up with each victory.  It is something to go undefeated thru the first 21 games as of March 22.

Here were the games at the beginning of the season:

ASC-West#6, W#8, a very average New Engalnd team on spring break trip, W#5, W#3, one game against SCAC W #3, East T-6, E#7, NAIA school.

The second half of the season was where all of the challenges were.

It is hard to gauge a team when they are undefeated against suspect competition and every one ahead of them is losing.  So a team can "float up " in the Poll, 1-2 slots per week.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hatbaseball on May 05, 2011, 10:27:05 AM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 05, 2011, 12:08:39 AM
Looking back I think the 2 games that McMurrey had against UTT at the end of the season really benefited the Warhawks. The coaching staff learned something and the team having played UTT also leaned something. Those two games were close and if nothing else showed McMurrey that UTT had weaknesses and gave them the confidence that they could compete with them. Keep in mind going into the weekend conference tournament UTT had not lost a single game to a west division opponent.

I think it was smart on the part of the Warhawks coaching staff to schedule those two games.

Texas BB

I agree that those 2 games vs UTT late in the season ended up being a big plus for McMurry.  At the time we all thought it was not good scheduling.  The McMurry players didn't like it either but by facing UTT before the playoffs the players came away thinking that UTT was very beatable.  Those 2 late season games really meant nothing to McMurry so they played a lot of different players the 2nd game but they definitely benefited.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 05, 2011, 04:31:29 PM
hatbaseball: are you going to predict McMurry winning it all?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 05, 2011, 04:43:44 PM
UT-T fell to fifth in the this week's NCAA regional rankings (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3baseball/2011/05/05/second-2011-ncaa-regional-rankings/).  

WEST
1 Linfield 27-5 29-8
2 Redlands 23-6 28-9
3 Chapman 18-8 27-10
4 Trinity (Texas) 27-10 33-11
5 Texas-Tyler 30-7 33-7
6 Hardin-Simmons 27-11 31-12
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 05, 2011, 08:31:49 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 05, 2011, 04:43:44 PM
UT-T fell to fifth in the this week's NCAA regional rankings (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3baseball/2011/05/05/second-2011-ncaa-regional-rankings/).  

WEST
1 Linfield 27-5 29-8
2 Redlands 23-6 28-9
3 Chapman 18-8 27-10
4 Trinity (Texas) 27-10 33-11
5 Texas-Tyler 30-7 33-76 Hardin-Simmons 27-11 31-12
But appears to be the first Pool C team at the table.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 05, 2011, 10:37:40 PM
It is looking like UTT will not drop out of the top 6 since their season is over. That puts them in decent shape to get a bid. HSU if they win the tournament could jump them but nobody else in the ASC is likely to. So this puts the ASC in good shape to have 2 teams in the tournament for a second year. 

As far as the conference tournament is concerned the top three have to be CTX, HSU and UTD. One of those 3 will get hot and win it. I am going with HSU. The crowd favorite is McMurry however, I think they caught UTT when they were flat having not played in 10 days. The above 3 teams will not likely be flat, as all 3 played 3 tough fist round games. They are all, on paper anyway, better teams. McMurry just does not have the depth at pitching nor can rely on their bats to out slug the opposition.

Texas BB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 06, 2011, 07:23:08 AM
Thanks for the sentiments and well wishes for my McMurry War Hawks.

"Cinderella" is only getting to go to this dance because we won the HPU series, 2 games to 1.  Wow!  That is the thinnest of margins!

Gotta strap on the shoes and get it done!

May we have some great baseball today! 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 06, 2011, 09:06:10 AM
I love getting ripped for making a wrong prediction (even after I acknowledged I was proven wrong) by someone who wont make any predictions himself!  ;D

All in good fun, but heres to CTX winning the ASC.

Sincerely,

UMHB fan
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 06, 2011, 02:53:56 PM
First game of the ASC Finals

McM  0 6 0
CTX  1 5 0

CTX's Beasley gets a 2-out BB in the first inning and scores on a double by Janssen.

What a game!   :(
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 06, 2011, 08:05:56 PM
UTD 5, HSU 2.  Game three (MuMurry vs HSU) at 10am on Saturday.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 07, 2011, 09:36:10 PM
HSU 9, McM 3.  The wheels came off in the bottom of the 7th after Kory Moench had hit a 3-run HR down left field line in the top of the seventh to go up 3-1.

CTX beat UTD in Game #4 8-3

UTD came back in Game #5 to eliminate HSU 5-3.

UTD comes out of the loser's bracket to face ASC-West co-champ CTX in game #6 tomorrow at 1pm CDT.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tigerfan_2001 on May 08, 2011, 07:55:56 AM
I can't believe they plated a game at 10am yesterday. You shouldn't be able to host a tournament if you dont have lights.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 08, 2011, 11:33:57 AM
Guess we won't see hatbaseball again till next year :)

I expect we see Scott Hays the first game vs Dallas. Anyone have any clue who Dallas will be throwing first and if necessary, game 2 today?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on May 08, 2011, 09:14:09 PM
Quote from: dp643 on May 03, 2011, 10:58:23 PM
You will see ctx win the whole thing.

Ctx over mcmurry.
Hsu over Dallas.

Ctx over hsu.

Dallas over mcmurry.
Hsu over Dallas.

Hsu over ctx. Ctx over hsu to win it all.

Personally though I'm rooting for Mcmurry. What a story that would be.


+1 for correctly predicting CTX to take the ASC.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 08, 2011, 09:47:49 PM
Ctx has been solid all year. I'm anxious to see how they do in the regional. They didn't do too well against linfield and George fox earlier in the year but I think they are a much better team now.

If we go back and replay this thing over from the original 8 teams I think you could see 4 completely different teams in the 2nd round. All 8 teams could have just as easily gotten hot and won.

Congrats to ctx. Represent the Asc well! Here's to hoping Tyler gets in as well.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 08, 2011, 09:57:15 PM
For the sake of the conference, I do think that CTX is the best representative that we have.  I think that the West was a tougher division this year.  That has helped CTX be stronger this year.

I thought that the only way McMurry was going to win the tourney was to beat CTX in the first game.  I felt that our second pitcher might do well in Game #2.  It was a wing and a prayer for Game #3.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hatbaseball on May 09, 2011, 10:54:20 AM
Quote from: dp643 on May 06, 2011, 09:06:10 AM
I love getting ripped for making a wrong prediction (even after I acknowledged I was proven wrong) by someone who wont make any predictions himself!  ;D

All in good fun, but heres to CTX winning the ASC.

Sincerely,

UMHB fan

Sorry for not making a prediction.  I haven't been online for a few days.  To be honest I would not have predicted McMurry winning it all, but I would have predicted them playing HSU in the finals.  (Obviously not close on either count).

Since I had already seen all of the teams this season, I thought HSU was the strongest.  CTX played solid defense but I was not impressed with them when McMurry played them during the regular season.  They sure stepped it up and played great this weekend though.  That first game of the tournament with the 1-0 win by CTX was a very well played game.  They made all the plays when they needed to all weekend and were certainly the best team there this weekend.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on January 11, 2012, 10:27:44 AM
Ok boys and girls. Its about that time of year again. Let's get the rundown on how the programs are going to look this year.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on January 23, 2012, 03:36:33 PM
The pre-season pick from conference coaches and media reps.

UT Tyler - East
Concordia - West

http://www.ascsports.org/news/2012/1/16/BSB_0116121053.aspx

Texas BB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on January 24, 2012, 07:12:57 PM
I noticed Tyler continued their trend of getting players from other conference foes on their team this year.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 06, 2012, 10:41:51 PM
Quote from: dp643 on January 24, 2012, 07:12:57 PM
I noticed Tyler continued their trend of getting players from other conference foes on their team this year.
This year?

It happens every year!

It's legal, but it does leave a particular taste in the mouth of the opponents.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 07, 2012, 09:01:42 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 06, 2012, 10:41:51 PM
Quote from: dp643 on January 24, 2012, 07:12:57 PM
I noticed Tyler continued their trend of getting players from other conference foes on their team this year.
This year?

It happens every year!

It's legal, but it does leave a particular taste in the mouth of the opponents.

Hence, I said "continued their trend"....

UMHB opens with their first ever night home game tonight. It should be exciting!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on February 07, 2012, 09:47:30 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 06, 2012, 10:41:51 PM
Quote from: dp643 on January 24, 2012, 07:12:57 PM
I noticed Tyler continued their trend of getting players from other conference foes on their team this year.
This year?

It happens every year!

It's legal, but it does leave a particular taste in the mouth of the opponents.

Well they are in the playoffs while others sit home...All is fair in winning even in D3...NCAA seems to regulate a lot of stuff but leaves this area untouched in D3.  i have seen 2 cases where a player attended 3 schools in 4 years to play baseball and another 4 schools in 5 years...1 finished in a D1 school another at  a D3 school. Making players sitting out 1 year for levels(D1, D2, D3) would slow this down but D3 has no or very limited restrictions with transfers. Almost no one sits out a year when changing schools in D3
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 07, 2012, 02:57:14 PM
It doesnt bother me. Its just always fun to see who jumped ship to Tyler every spring.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 07, 2012, 05:51:58 PM
Quote from: dp643 on February 07, 2012, 09:01:42 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 06, 2012, 10:41:51 PM
Quote from: dp643 on January 24, 2012, 07:12:57 PM
I noticed Tyler continued their trend of getting players from other conference foes on their team this year.
This year?

It happens every year!

It's legal, but it does leave a particular taste in the mouth of the opponents.

Hence, I said "continued their trend"....

UMHB opens with their first ever night home game tonight. It should be exciting!
Duly noted...+1!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 08, 2012, 12:17:49 AM
UMHB gets embarrassed on a big night in the program's history 13-0 against Texas Wesleyan. It was the first night game hosted by UMHB under their new lights. First two pitchers (Chance Ryan and Taylor Burrow) looked good, and a ton of strikeouts by all pitchers combined (16 i believe). But 0 runs, 4 errors, and 10 walks allowed isnt going to win you too many games. Hopefully first game jitters are gone and they bounce back with a 3 game set with Southwestern this weekend.

Any other updates tonight?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 108 Stitches on February 08, 2012, 02:42:59 PM
Good luck dp and congrats on the lights. Walks will kill a team at any level. My son's team will play you later in the month in a mid week game and the lights make it much easier, schedule wise. Best of luck on your season.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 11, 2012, 06:14:00 PM
Umhb bounces back this weekend and sweeps southwestern. Looks like the cru picked up a new arm in Taylor Burrow, who throws a no hitter in game 3 (7 innings). Glad to see very strong pitching performances. What's shaking around the rest of the conference?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dbat on February 29, 2012, 06:08:11 PM
I wanted to get some feed back on what everyone's thought are with the ASC this year.
     
     When you look at the West it doesn't look as strong as it has been in the past. Just from my eyes there is not a clear leader in this division. Concordia would probably be on the top of my list. I have caught a couple games in Austin and McManemin looks to be seeing the ball well. I would have to say TLU might come in close, but they are not up to what they used to be. UMHB and McMurry might be my 3-4 even though their records don't show it. The rest of the pack (Sul Ross, Howard Payne, and Schriner) will definitely having a losing record in conference play. I will say the last weekend of the regular season will be a good one with TLU and Concordia facing off two what I feel will be the division championship.

   The east is most likely going to be where the conference champ comes from again. I had a chance to see UTT play TLU the first Sunday of the year. McCain from UTT swung the bat nicely in that game. Too bad Centenary College can't compete in the tourney this year, because I think they are going to do well this year. I think UTD will come out of this conference as the number 2 seed with Miss College close on their tail. Ozarks, ETBU, LeTourneau, and La College will be just like the bottom of the west scraping by. I wish I could make it to Shreveport April 6&7 for the match up between UTT and Centenary. I still think UTT will take this division.

Overall I just the the ASC isn't as strong as they have been say back in the 2004-2009. It is still baseball and that's why I love going to these games to see what they guys bring week in and out. What is everyone else thinking about this year?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 108 Stitches on March 01, 2012, 11:28:16 AM
I have not seen all of the teams but Trinity has played Schreiner, Howard Payne, La. Col, Concordia, UMHB, and Centenary. Of those teams Concordia and Centenary are clearly a class above the rest. UMHB was a good game also, but I would not put them in the same category as the other two, but they are going to win quite a few games and should not be taken lightly. Concordia had some very good arms and their closer is very good, you will be in trouble if you are behind and he is in the game. IMO Centenary has the best hitting line up anywhere in DIII baseball, they are monsters!  Their pitching beyond their number 1 is weaker, but they will outscore most teams.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 02, 2012, 08:08:49 AM
Dont Forget about Hardin Simmons in the west. I like their pitching staff. They will be in almost every conference game.

UMHB's defense is improving and some of the Senior hitters are starting to heat up. I expect a big weekend from them this weekend.

I think it will come down to a 4 team race between UMHB, Concordia, Hardin Simmons and TLU.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 02, 2012, 10:45:01 PM
Concordia took 2 out of 3 from UTT at UTT's field last weekend. UTT had trouble scoring runs. Their offense has not been ripping the cover off the ball and the pitching does not appear very deep. It is early in the saeason so things may change as the weather warms up. However, UTT is not as strong as it has been the last couple of seasons.  Last year the team was mostly hold over of Vilade's recruits. This team has more of Wyczawski's recruits,  we shall see if he can continue the same magic.  ;)

Texas BB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BamColt on March 06, 2012, 12:19:36 PM
Concordia has a very solid club this year with depth on the mound. Also noticed they have a guy with already 37 hits which is an insane start.  I agree the West just isn't as deep as it has been in years past with McMurry down and TLU not being as deep. I will say Trinity has a hell of a squad and are off to a hot start as well and should be recognized with some national first place votes soon.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2012, 11:05:14 PM
It is nice to sweep a DH.  McMUrry 9-1 and 9-2 over Schreiner.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 17, 2012, 05:04:38 PM
McMurry won last night over SRSU 8-7 in 10 innings.

They edged SRSU 2-1 in the 7-inning opener today.

This is the best ball that they have played all year.  Another win today will give them sweeps over Schreiner and Sully.

Sully seems to be a couple of notches better this year, or we have slipped back a bit.  Sully did take the HSU series last weekend.



McMurry takes the nightcap from Sully 10-2.  McMurry has swept the first 2 series from SU (now 1-5 after losing the TLU series 1-2) and SRSU (2-4 which beat HSU 2-1 last wkend).

This race will be tight!

CTX lost the HSU series in Austin. Last night they won 3-2 (11), but lost 1-2 and 4-5.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 17, 2012, 08:26:10 PM
As you look back at the last several seasons, the way to the post-season involves this formula.

Record vs #6, #7 and #8 - 9-0
Record vs #5                     2-1
Record vs the top 3 teams  5-4/4-5  (probably winning home series and losing one(s) on the road). 

That gives you a 16-5/15-6 record.     

I think that McMurry won two series that they had to win.             
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 17, 2012, 08:48:11 PM
Pre-season poll...

            Team (first-place votes)              Points          2011 Record
1.         Concordia Texas (17)                    181               32-17, 15-6 ASC (T1st)
2.         Hardin-Simmons (6)                     166               31-14, 15-6 ASC (T1st)
3.         Texas Lutheran (1)                        140               24-19, 13-8 ASC (3rd)
4.         McMurry                                           111               17-27, 11-10 ASC (4th)


5.         Mary Hardin-Baylor                        97                19-20, 9-12 ASC (6th)


6.         Sul Ross State                               71                15-21, 7-14 ASC (7th)
7.         Howard Payne                               66                15-20, 10-11 ASC (5th)
8.         Schreiner                                        32                 8-29, 4-17 ASC (8th)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 17, 2012, 08:54:51 PM
If we follow that formula, Schreiner picked up a big upset over TLU today!

IMHO, this race will be very tough.

If HSU lost a game or two that they should not have at SRSU, then they got a big road series against CTX.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 23, 2012, 10:11:04 PM
McMurry beat TLU 7-3 today to go 7-0 in the West.  McMurry lost 16-8 to UTD earlier in the week in a "pitch-by-committee" game.

CTX (5-2) stays 2 games behind with a 13-5 win at SRSU.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 24, 2012, 07:16:15 PM
TLU takes the DH today, 2-1 in 7 and 6-3 in the nightcap. Klaus Bohrmann's grand slam in the 3rd was the difference for the Bulldogs.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dbat on March 26, 2012, 06:37:20 PM
Luckily I was down in San Antonio this weekend for a conference and was able to catch all three games of the TLU McMurry. In my Opinion I think TLU should have swept all three games this weekend. As I have stated before I don't think TLU is near as good as they have been in the past, but they showed they will be in the runnings for 1st in the division.

Orosey came out in game one and I have followed this kid since he was a freshman. This might have been one of the worst outings he has had. Granted, McMurry was hitting the ball well, but Orosey was definitely off. If he would have been on his normal game I think TLU would have swept. But its baseball and McMurry came out and won the game.

Saturday, you can tell TLU came out and with a chip on their shoulder. This rivalry has been my favorite ever since I started following the ASC. The fire both of these teams had on Saturday reminded me of the series back in 2007 when the brawl at home broke out. Luckily I will have the chance to see both of these teams play Concordia. This year.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 27, 2012, 08:17:06 AM
UMHB took 2 of 3 from Hardin Simmons in Abilene this weekend. It appears the offense is starting to heat up. Combine that with a solid 3 man rotation and one of the best statistical defensive teams in the conference, I think UMHB could make a small run at this.

Hardin Simmons continues to perplex me. Lose 2 of 3 to Sul Ross, win 2 of 3 against Concordia, then lose 2 of 3 to UMHB.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 27, 2012, 09:46:04 AM
Quote from: dp643 on March 27, 2012, 08:17:06 AM
UMHB took 2 of 3 from Hardin Simmons in Abilene this weekend. It appears the offense is starting to heat up. Combine that with a solid 3 man rotation and one of the best statistical defensive teams in the conference, I think UMHB could make a small run at this.

Hardin Simmons continues to perplex me. Lose 2 of 3 to Sul Ross, win 2 of 3 against Concordia, then lose 2 of 3 to UMHB.

Should be an interesting game between Trinity and UMHB this afternoon, testing the pitching depth of both squads.  Saturday's winner for the Cru, Chance Ryan (4-0, 3.49) only pitched five innings Saturday; for Trinity, Ben Klimesh (9-0, 1.48) pitched six on Saturday but faced three fewer batters than Ryan (23 vs. 26).   If nothing else, both may be available for a couple of innings in relief.    Joshua Fink (3-1, 5.16) is one of two "third starters" that Coach Scannell has been working out and did not see any time on the mound last weekend. 

This is Trinity's only game before traveling to Abilene for a pair next Tuesday against HSU. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on March 27, 2012, 10:06:10 AM
Fink did well last time vs UMHB. I expect him to start. I could be wrong, but I believe Ryan pitched Friday night for UMHB. Regardless, if he throws today, it would likely just be an inning or two.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 27, 2012, 10:35:22 AM
Quote from: dp643 on March 27, 2012, 10:06:10 AM
Fink did well last time vs UMHB. I expect him to start. I could be wrong, but I believe Ryan pitched Friday night for UMHB. Regardless, if he throws today, it would likely just be an inning or two.

You're right, dp, it was Friday night for Ryan.  Thanks!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 108 Stitches on March 27, 2012, 10:47:26 AM
Scannell went with Speer on Sat and will likely pitch Fink. He also used a number of pitchers who had not seen much action on Sat and has his full bullpen available. He might use Klimesh for one inning to close out a close game as he would likely throw his midweek pen tomorrow. UMHB looked good the last time they played so it should be a good game.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 27, 2012, 11:37:16 AM
Quote from: dbat on March 26, 2012, 06:37:20 PM
Luckily I was down in San Antonio this weekend for a conference and was able to catch all three games of the TLU McMurry. In my Opinion I think TLU should have swept all three games this weekend. As I have stated before I don't think TLU is near as good as they have been in the past, but they showed they will be in the runnings for 1st in the division.

Orosey came out in game one and I have followed this kid since he was a freshman. This might have been one of the worst outings he has had. Granted, McMurry was hitting the ball well, but Orosey was definitely off. If he would have been on his normal game I think TLU would have swept. But its baseball and McMurry came out and won the game.

Saturday, you can tell TLU came out and with a chip on their shoulder. This rivalry has been my favorite ever since I started following the ASC. The fire both of these teams had on Saturday reminded me of the series back in 2007 when the brawl at home broke out. Luckily I will have the chance to see both of these teams play Concordia. This year.
I wil concede the grand slam by Bohrmann in game #3 as the big blast, but Game #2 was too close to be talking sweep. :)TLU won 2-1 but all three runs were ugly,  Wild Pitches, HBP's, bases on balls, errors.  I thought that we might pull it out in the top of the 7th.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 27, 2012, 11:39:53 AM
Quote from: 108 Stitches on March 27, 2012, 10:47:26 AM
Scannell went with Speer on Sat and will likely pitch Fink. He also used a number of pitchers who had not seen much action on Sat and has his full bullpen available. He might use Klimesh for one inning to close out a close game as he would likely throw his midweek pen tomorrow. UMHB looked good the last time they played so it should be a good game.

108, since UMHB has already seen Fink (and vice versa) do you think there's any change Scannell might throw someone else into the mix what with it being a home game?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 108 Stitches on March 27, 2012, 12:31:47 PM
I will start this out by saying I have no idea....but Scannell has set his starting rotation up (so far) with Klimesh, Lucero, Fink, and Speer in that order. He skipped Fink over the weekend to get Speer some meaningful work. I don't think he really cares whether UMHB has seen Fink or not. He has 6 others (excluding closer Bentz) who have thrown 2-8 innings and all are available, so he could go at it by committee so all of these guys get some more work in, but I think Fink needs the work. Maybe if they get up early they go to the pen and work some other guys in.

I don't think it matters who goes, if they keep the ball down, change speeds and trust their defense they will be in the game. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on March 27, 2012, 02:24:54 PM
Why does the ASC have so many teams(8) in their Conference Tourney to determine the Pool A bid?

Do you think this has hurt the ASC in the Regionals?

Would not be better to cut this tourney to 4 teams or 2 teams?

Just my inquiring mind?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 27, 2012, 02:44:10 PM
Ralph will no doubt have the canonical answer, but baseball and basketball are both eight-team championships, probably to give as many teams the chance to compete as possible.   This is a 16-team conference, and all play both sports. 

Interestingly, soccer and softball (both played by 15 schools) are only six-team championships.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 27, 2012, 06:51:02 PM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on March 27, 2012, 02:24:54 PM
Why does the ASC have so many teams(8) in their Conference Tourney to determine the Pool A bid?

Do you think this has hurt the ASC in the Regionals?

Would not be better to cut this tourney to 4 teams or 2 teams?

Just my inquiring mind?

1) The main reason is to keep interest in the division races.  The #4 slot in both divisions has been up for grabs going into the last week of season in most years.  As many as 6 teams in a division are in a playoff chase. In a Top 2 scenario, most teams are eliminated with 3 weeks left in the regular season.

2) The 8-team bracket allows for the Top 2 teams in the division to host a playoff series, best 2-of-3. This prolongs the season an extra week, keeping the teams fresher and awards playoff games to successful programs for the local fans.  You rotate the series between East and West for the one-week 6-or 4- team playoff and the closest that any school is to a cross-division opponent is about 3.5 hours travel time. Local fans just cannot get to see the team in a playoff game. The first week winners then play 4-team double elimination in week #2 of the playoffs

3) It allows extra games to be played beyond the 40-game regular season limit.

4) It increases the number of post-season games for players.  You may get to play some deep bench players in selected situations in the first weekend series.

5) This expanded playoff concept is used in as many sports as possible, VB, Hoops, Softball, soccer, Tennis.


I do not think that it has hurt the conference. We have had a fair representation of Pool C bids. The extra games in competitive playoff mode have not hurt.

Even with the conference "shrinking" next year and thereafter, I am interested to see how they handle the playoffs. This has been a popular format for a 15-team conference. What they decide to do at 12 teams is another story.

Thanks for asking.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 27, 2012, 07:01:33 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 27, 2012, 02:44:10 PM
Ralph will no doubt have the canonical answer, but baseball and basketball are both eight-team championships, probably to give as many teams the chance to compete as possible.   This is a 16-team conference, and all play both sports. 

Interestingly, soccer and softball (both played by 15 schools) are only six-team championships.
Soccer is offered by 14 schools. (No Sul Ross) Soccer went to one division about 5 years ago.

Softball is offered by 14 schools (No McMurry). The 6-team format probably works better at the neutral field in Farmers Branch where the tourney is held than an 8-team format.  (McMurry has more women's sports than any other school with the exception of HSU which has now added XC and T&F.  McMurry has women's swimming and HSU doesn't.)


Volleyball is top 3 seeds from each division as well.  (No Ozarks. No LaCollege. UMHB moved to the East.)

The playoff expansion taking baseball to 8 games occurred when other sports were increased to 6 teams. Most sports were 4 team playoffs before the expansion.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 108 Stitches on March 27, 2012, 07:35:56 PM
Great answers. Does anyone know what the SCAC will do next year?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 27, 2012, 11:48:49 PM
Quote from: 108 Stitches on March 27, 2012, 07:35:56 PM
Great answers. Does anyone know what the SCAC will do next year?

Punt?   ;)

Next year is such a transitional year, only six schools, hard to say.  Year after that I can see four-team playoffs for sports that have 7 or 8 schools participating. 

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on March 28, 2012, 12:25:48 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 27, 2012, 06:51:02 PM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on March 27, 2012, 02:24:54 PM
Why does the ASC have so many teams(8) in their Conference Tourney to determine the Pool A bid?

Do you think this has hurt the ASC in the Regionals?

Would not be better to cut this tourney to 4 teams or 2 teams?

Just my inquiring mind?

1) The main reason is to keep interest in the division races.  The #4 slot in both divisions has been up for grabs going into the last week of season in most years.  As many as 6 teams in a division are in a playoff chase. In a Top 2 scenario, most teams are eliminated with 3 weeks left in the regular season.

2) The 8-team bracket allows for the Top 2 teams in the division to host a playoff series, best 2-of-3. This prolongs the season an extra week, keeping the teams fresher and awards playoff games to successful programs for the local fans.  You rotate the series between East and West for the one-week 6-or 4- team playoff and the closest that any school is to a cross-division opponent is about 3.5 hours travel time. Local fans just cannot get to see the team in a playoff game. The first week winners then play 4-team double elimination in week #2 of the playoffs

3) It allows extra games to be played beyond the 40-game regular season limit.

4) It increases the number of post-season games for players.  You may get to play some deep bench players in selected situations in the first weekend series.

5) This expanded playoff concept is used in as many sports as possible, VB, Hoops, Softball, soccer, Tennis.


I do not think that it has hurt the conference. We have had a fair representation of Pool C bids. The extra games in competitive playoff mode have not hurt.

Even with the conference "shrinking" next year and thereafter, I am interested to see how they handle the playoffs. This has been a popular format for a 15-team conference. What they decide to do at 12 teams is another story.

Thanks for asking.
Thanks for the great reply...

NWC has nine teams no playoffs

SCIAC has nine teams in 2013. I wonder if they will go to a conference tourney.

If they followed the ASC model 4 teams would be in conference tourney. I agree with the greater interest with 4 teams with games being meaningful until the last day of conference play.

#4 seed with a poor conferece record could win the conference tourney. IWU proved a few years back get hot in the conference tourney and they went on to winning a national championship with barely a .500 record going into their conference tourney.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 28, 2012, 10:26:48 AM
A point of clarification...

The #4 seed in the West will go to the #1 seed in the East for the first round games, best 2 of 3.

Last year McMurry knocked out UTTyler that way.  UTT did get a Pool C bid.  Was that because they lost to a battle-hardened #4 seed from a tougher division?  Did they win a weak East Division and built a gaudy record which gave them great numbers for Pool C sake?

Nevetheless, the #4 West Seed then went on the road to UTD, the highest remaiinig seed on the East for the second weekend and the 4-team double-elimination format.

Any #4 seed in the ASC format has a tough road and clearly has earned it the Pool A bid, if they win it
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baseballfan24 on March 28, 2012, 09:32:56 PM
I also think it may have had something to do with the equal competition of the conference.  In any given year it seems as though there are anywhere from 2-4 teams in the ASC that could represent the conference well in a regional, and it just depends on who gets hot, and, or plays best in playoff time.  In 2009, the conference probably had 4 teams all good enough to compete in regionals (not necessarily win but compete), and in 2010 I think it could be said that 3 of the teams were very strong.  Last year UT-Dallas was probably a good enough team to compete in the regionals, but just didn't have a strong enough resume, I suppose.  The same might be said for Hardin-Simmons who had a good team.  Both had good pitching staffs. I'm not sure that the ASC playoff format has ever hurt any teams; if anything it prepares them for a difficult regional tourney.  The tough part is that there always seems to be a couple of teams that are quality teams, but are not quite good enough to get into the regional because they may have too many losses along the way.  I'm pretty sure that the ASC has not produced the best teams in the region especially considering what Chapman and Linfield have done, but I think a pretty strong argument could be made that it is the deepest conference in the region almost always possessing 2-4 teams that are probably capable of competing in the regional tournament and representing the conference well.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dbat on March 29, 2012, 06:05:10 PM
I can remember this conversation coming up back in 2004 and 2009 when the ASC should have received Pool C bids and they didn't. There will always be a team/conference that feels they deserve that last bid for a spot in the regional tournament. The ASC in particular is just a very strong conference when it comes to baseball especially. I think that is why you are seeing so many schools bounce around conferences lately. Schools are trying to ensure the best possibility for teams to advance further in the playoffs.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 29, 2012, 06:23:58 PM
Quote from: dbat on March 29, 2012, 06:05:10 PM
I can remember this conversation coming up back in 2004 and 2009 when the ASC should have received Pool C bids and they didn't. There will always be a team/conference that feels they deserve that last bid for a spot in the regional tournament. The ASC in particular is just a very strong conference when it comes to baseball especially. I think that is why you are seeing so many schools bounce around conferences lately. Schools are trying to ensure the best possibility for teams to advance further in the playoffs.
This part of the country just handled the problem of too many teams chasing too few Pool A bids.

The SAA will pull the east half of the SCAC into a full Pool A bid in 2014-15.

The "old SCAC" will keep its bid but pulls 3 schools out of the ASC but sends occasional SCAC Pool A winners like Hendrix and Millsaps to the east.

With McMurry's departure, the ASC will be a 12-team conference instead of the 15-team conference.

We might also have a better chance of getting a Pool C bid with TLU moving over to the SCAC.  Fewer ASC conference games gives us a chance to play more non-conference/in-region games to boost the in-region record and SOS.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 31, 2012, 10:52:07 AM
Nice win by McMurry last night over HPU...1-0 in 10 innings.

The Top 4 teams all "held serve" last night.  CTX (8-2) is at UMHB. McMurry (8-2) hosts HPU. TLU (7-3) hosts SRSU. HSU (5-5) plays at Schreiner.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 31, 2012, 04:18:09 PM
McMurry beat HPU 7-4 in the 7-inning opener. HPU's Gilbert Barrera shut down McMurry in the first 4 innings as the Yellow Jackets put up single markers in the first four innings.  McMurry broke for 5 in the bottom of the 5th off Barrera and added a pair in the 6th.

I am guessing that Patterson gets the win in relief and Hejny gets the save for McMurry.


McMurry 11-1. Run rule after McMurry puts up 4 in the bottom of the 7th.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 31, 2012, 09:11:13 PM
McMurry has finished the schedule against the "bottom 3" and has gone 9-0, as they should, by the formula.

Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 17, 2012, 08:26:10 PM
As you look back at the last several seasons, the way to the post-season involves this formula.

Record vs #6, #7 and #8 - 9-0
Record vs #5                     2-1
Record vs the top 3 teams  5-4/4-5  (probably winning home series and losing one(s) on the road). 

That gives you a 16-5/15-6 record.     

I think that McMurry won two series that they had to win.           

McMurry (10-2) lost at TLU 1-2.  They play at HSU this week. They host CTX the next week and go to UMHB for the final week.  (If there was anything else to make the HSU series any bigger, I don't know what it would be.)

CTX (10-2) hosts Schreiner, goes to McMurry and hosts TLU.

TLU (9-3) hosts goes to HPU, hosts HSU and goes to CTX.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 31, 2012, 09:27:53 PM
By the formula...

McMurry projects to 15-6 with the series win over CTX

CTX projects to 16-5.

TLU projects to 15-6 with the series win over McMurry as the tiebreaker for 2nd place.

HSU (6-6) hosts McM (?2-1?), goes to TLU (?1-2?) and hosts HPU (3-0). That projects to 12-9 and the #4 seed.

UMHB (4-8) at SRSU, at Schreiner and hosts McMurry.  If they can sweep the 2 series on the road and take 2 of 3 from McMurry, they would finish 12-9 and have the series tie-breaker over HSU for the #4 seed.

Lots of ball left to play!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 03, 2012, 04:28:16 PM
HSU upsets #1 Trinity in the first game of a doubleheader, 3-2, dealing Ben Klimesh his first defeat of the year. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 03, 2012, 06:22:44 PM
Trinity takes the second, 5-1, with Ryan Lucero improving to 8-0 with another complete game.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 03, 2012, 06:39:47 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on April 03, 2012, 04:28:16 PM
HSU upsets #1 Trinity in the first game of a doubleheader, 3-2, dealing Ben Klimesh his first defeat of the year.
Junior Third baseman Jordan Dotson made his second pitching start of the year and went 5 strong innings, giving up 2 runs in the win over Trinity. Simmons came on in the 6th and earned to win.  HSU put together a small ball run in the bottom of the 7th. Pre-season All American Troy Tarrant got the one-out bases loaded RBI single.

http://www.hsuathletics.com/sports/m-basebl/2011-12/files/49826.htm
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 04, 2012, 12:16:55 PM
Wow....Trinity throws the big guns in a midweek series. No surprise there. Guess they dont think much of Southwestern, who they play a doubleheader with on Friday in conference.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 04, 2012, 12:40:14 PM
Quote from: dp643 on April 04, 2012, 12:16:55 PM
Wow....Trinity throws the big guns in a midweek series. No surprise there. Guess they dont think much of Southwestern, who they play a doubleheader with on Friday in conference.

Going to be an interesting series, that's for sure.  Klimesh can probably come back and throw a few innings if needed on Saturday - he's done that before. 

Big ups to HSU for the upset yesterday.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 04, 2012, 04:08:41 PM
I still can't figure out Hardin Simmons, but if they get on a roll, watch out. They have proven with winning 2 of 3 at Concordia, and beating Trinity, that they can hang with anyone.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BamColt on April 05, 2012, 10:11:12 PM
Concordia up on Schriener 6-0 in the 8th.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 05, 2012, 11:13:34 PM
McMurry 15, HSU 4 in tonight's game.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 06, 2012, 04:52:50 PM
HSU 17 McMurry 13 in the bottom of the 6th inning.

The right field foul line runs almost due north.  The weather report for Abilene says that the winds are out of the south to southwest at 10-20MPH.

Kinda like Wrigley Field south.

Final HSU 17-13 in the first game.  HSU 18-2 in the second.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BamColt on April 06, 2012, 05:11:04 PM
Looks like Trinity is having a rough time against Southwestern. About to drop another game.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 11, 2012, 10:31:56 PM
95% of the posts on this board are about the ASC West. Where are the East fans?

UTD is having a great season and UTT is having a solid season.

The rest of the East not so much. UTT took 2 out of 3 from Centenary College last weekend and beat University of Dallas last night.

The battle for the 3 and 4 playoff spots are wide open with everyone except the Ozarks having a shot.

The east misses a tough Mississippi College which is down this year after being real good the last couple of seasons.


Texas BB

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 12, 2012, 11:29:23 AM
Quote from: TexasBB on April 11, 2012, 10:31:56 PM
95% of the posts on this board are about the ASC West. Where are the East fans?

UTD is having a great season and UTT is having a solid season.

The rest of the East not so much. UTT took 2 out of 3 from Centenary College last weekend and beat University of Dallas last night.

The battle for the 3 and 4 playoff spots are wide open with everyone except the Ozarks having a shot.

The east misses a tough Mississippi College which is down this year after being real good the last couple of seasons.


Texas BB

We don't seem to have a lot of ASC East posters in any sport.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 14, 2012, 12:05:03 AM
CTX 7, at McMurry 6.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dbat on April 14, 2012, 10:02:33 AM
Here is some notable news. Brad Orosey broke the ASC career wins record yesterday. What a great feat, 31 wins with TLU. I can remember watching him his freshman year as a little 5'8" 150lbs soaking wet. He didn't look like much on the mound but he has proved a lot of critics wrong. He has had an incredible career and definitely worth noting.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 14, 2012, 10:08:50 PM
UTT swept LeTourneau to improve to 28-8 overall and 11-4 in the East.
The first game was a pitching duel won by the Patriots 1-0 with the only scoring occuring in the 3rd inning.

UTD is still in the drivers seat and should win the East.
Going into this weekends series with Centenary Colllege they have won 8 straight and have a conference mark of 12-3. They hold the tie breaker against UTT as they won 2-3 from the Patriots in Tyler earlier in the season.

By getting swept at home LeTourneau hurt its chances of making the playoffs. However, it is very tight with East Texas Babtist, Mississippi College and LA College. It will come down to the last series next weekend. That is what makes things exciting with 4 teams battling for 2 spots.

Texas BB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 16, 2012, 03:43:02 PM
Great series by CTX at McMurry.

We needed 2 out of 3 and the most likely candidates for that happening were the two 1-run losses!

Oh so close....

Congratulations to the Tornados.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 16, 2012, 07:55:30 PM
Can someone explain to me why Concordia's ASC record is listed as 14-2 on the ASC website and 15-2 on the CUA website!?

I'm not very good at math, but I have them at 16-2 in conference play (playing 18 games like the rest of the conference).

It looks like maybe the DH with Schreiner on April 6th wasn't counted.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 17, 2012, 12:04:04 PM
Welcome back.  Good to see you posting again.

Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on April 16, 2012, 07:55:30 PM
Can someone explain to me why Concordia's ASC record is listed as 14-2 on the ASC website and 15-2 on the CUA website!?

I'm not very good at math, but I have them at 16-2 in conference play (playing 18 games like the rest of the conference).

It looks like maybe the DH with Schreiner on April 6th wasn't counted.
JSG
Yes, the Schreiner games
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 17, 2012, 11:41:43 PM
McMurry can clinch the 3rd spot with 2-win series vs UMHB this weekend.

UMHB can clinch with a 2-1 series vs McMurry.

HSU can clinch if they win the HPU series.

McMurry has a 1-2 record versus HSU.

HSU has a 1-2 record versus UMHB and 2-1 record versus McMurry.

McMurry could sit at home with a 12-9 conference record (and tied for 3rd), having lost the tie-breakers to UMHB and HSU.

A week ago, winning instead of losing the 1-run games versus CTX would have had us 13-5 and in contention for a co-championship in the ASC West and hosting the first round.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 17, 2012, 11:44:26 PM
McMurry can clinch the 3rd spot with 2-win series vs UMHB this weekend.

UMHB can clinch with a 2-1 series vs McMurry.

HSU can clinch if they win the HPU series.

McMurry has a 1-2 record versus HSU.

HSU has a 1-2 record versus UMHB and 2-1 record versus McMurry.

McMurry could sit at home with a 12-9 conference record (and tied for 3rd), having lost the tie-breakers to UMHB and HSU.

A week ago, winning instead of losing the 1-run games versus CTX would have had us 13-5 and in contention for a co-championship in the ASC West and hosting the first round.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 18, 2012, 07:26:37 AM
Ralph, McMurry is in with one win against umhb. If McMurry gets to 12-9, the best umhb can do is 11-10. Umhb does not clinch with a 2-1 record as Hardin Simmons could sweep Howard Payne and that drops McMurry to the 4 spot and hsu to number 3.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 18, 2012, 08:37:45 AM
Quote from: dp643 on April 18, 2012, 07:26:37 AM
Ralph, McMurry is in with one win against umhb. If McMurry gets to 12-9, the best umhb can do is 11-10. Umhb does not clinch with a 2-1 record as Hardin Simmons could sweep Howard Payne and that drops McMurry to the 4 spot and hsu to number 3.
Thanks for double-checking my post.

The terror that was engulfing me was clouding my ability to manipulate the possible outcomes!

+1! :)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 18, 2012, 02:13:26 PM
From the UT Tyler website:

TYLER -- The No. 18 UT Tyler baseball team lost to Mary Hardin- Baylor, 5-4, in eleven innings on Tuesday night at Irwin Field. The Patriots are now 28-9 on the season, as UMHB improves to 19-17.

In a possible American Southwest Conference tournament first round matchup, the Patriots and the Cru took it to the wire, as the Cru held the lead going into the bottom of the ninth, but the Patriots stormed back to tie it up before UMHB re-took the lead in the eleventh and eventually held on for the victory.

TexasBB

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on April 18, 2012, 06:57:24 PM
So is possible that teams that have overall losing records get into the ASC Tournament?   ??? ??? ???  :o  :o  :o

Maybe it should be 1 round top 2 teams from each division.....I just don't think it makes sense rewarding a losing season.

http://www.ascsports.org/standings.aspx?standings=105&path=baseball
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 18, 2012, 07:54:23 PM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on April 18, 2012, 06:57:24 PM
So is possible that teams that have overall losing records get into the ASC Tournament?   ??? ??? ???  :o  :o  :o

Maybe it should be 1 round top 2 teams from each division.....I just don't think it makes sense rewarding a losing season.

http://www.ascsports.org/standings.aspx?standings=105&path=baseball

I *think* inclined to agree with you, particularly because the 3 game series offers another opportunity to drop an in-region game; however, in the past the ASC has had a lot of parity near the top half and this new format (it used to be top 2 teams from each division in a double-elimination tournament) enables one division to have have more representatives should their side be stronger. The old format made the regular season games more significant.

As far as the losing record goes, it was only 2 short years ago that a 19-19 Illinois Wesleyan team reeled off 12 of 14 to claim the national title. A .500 team rather than having a losing record, but still...

JSG 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 18, 2012, 08:18:22 PM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on April 18, 2012, 06:57:24 PM
So is possible that teams that have overall losing records get into the ASC Tournament?   ??? ??? ???  :o  :o  :o

Maybe it should be 1 round top 2 teams from each division.....I just don't think it makes sense rewarding a losing season.

http://www.ascsports.org/standings.aspx?standings=105&path=baseball
I covered this in a previous post.

The current format of top 4 from each division serves this format over the previous Top 2.

1) It keeps teams in the middle of the standings in the race.  #4, #5 and #6 still have a chance going into the last 2 weekends.  Going into the last weekend, the driving force then becomes the last series of the season/career....an equal opportunity motivator.  #1, #2 and #3 almost always sweep #7 and #8. It is those mid-division foes that mess up the seasons for teams.
2) The division format does allow the stronger division to have more representation.  Last year, #4 West McMurry beat #1 East UTT in 2 games at Tyler in the first round! UTT had to sweat getting a Pool C bid.  They were one of the last teams to come off the table by most projections.
3) The extra week in the series gives another week of games, to extend the season for players.
4) It allows the younger players, freshmen and sophomores, another week to develop.

McMurry is 17-12 in-region.  They are 1-7 against NAIA, D-2, Centenary coming down from D-1.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 18, 2012, 08:29:54 PM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on April 18, 2012, 06:57:24 PM
So is possible that teams that have overall losing records get into the ASC Tournament?   ??? ??? ???  :o  :o  :o

Maybe it should be 1 round top 2 teams from each division.....I just don't think it makes sense rewarding a losing season.

http://www.ascsports.org/standings.aspx?standings=105&path=baseball
I covered this in a previous post.

The current format of top 4 from each division serves this format over the previous Top 2.

1) It keeps teams in the middle of the standings in the race.  #4, #5 and #6 still have a chance going into the last 2 weekends.  Going into the last weekend, the driving force then becomes the last series of the season/career....an equal opportunity motivator.  #1, #2 and #3 almost always sweep #7 and #8. It is those mid-division foes that mess up the seasons for teams.
2) The division format does allow the stronger division to have more representation.  Last year, #4 West McMurry beat #1 East UTT in 2 games at Tyler in the first round! UTT had to sweat getting a Pool C bid.  They were one of the last teams to come off the table by most projections.
3) The extra week in the series gives another week of games, to extend the season for players.
4) It allows the younger players, freshmen and sophomores, another week to develop.

McMurry is 17-12 in-region.  They are 1-7 against NAIA, D-2, Centenary coming down from D-1.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on April 18, 2012, 11:01:19 PM
Ralph you do a great job explaining why the ASC doe it the way they do. i just disagree with 8 teams going into a tournament for the Pool A bid. It takes away the effort during the Regular Season.

Reminds of the NHL where everyone almost makes the playoffs. I am for rewarding the TOP 2 teams in each division in single site 4 team double elimination tourney for a Pool A bid. I hope the SCIAC goes to either a 2 team or 4 team tourney.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dahlby on April 18, 2012, 11:12:10 PM
From what I understand it will be a four team playoff in the SCIAC.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 19, 2012, 12:07:04 AM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on April 18, 2012, 11:01:19 PM
Ralph you do a great job explaining why the ASC doe it the way they do. i just disagree with 8 teams going into a tournament for the Pool A bid. It takes away the effort during the Regular Season.

Reminds of the NHL where everyone almost makes the playoffs. I am for rewarding the TOP 2 teams in each division in single site 4 team double elimination tourney for a Pool A bid. I hope the SCIAC goes to either a 2 team or 4 team tourney.
If you look at the ASC as two separate divisions in which no crossover games are considered in the standings, then the ASC tournament is more like a "play-in" tourney for the 2 divisions.

With McMurry, TLU, Schreiner and Centenary moving out in the next couple of years, then the 12-team conference probably moves to a 6-team tourney.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 19, 2012, 01:23:27 PM
Quote"With McMurry, TLU, Schreiner and Centenary moving out in the next couple of years, then the 12-team conference probably moves to a 6-team tourney."

Ralph,

I know McMurry is moving to DIV II but what about the otherr two schools? Centenary just joined the ASC this year so moving out would be a surprise.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 108 Stitches on April 19, 2012, 01:54:35 PM
Centenary is moving to SCAC next year.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 19, 2012, 03:04:06 PM
Quote from: 108 Stitches on April 19, 2012, 01:54:35 PM
Centenary is moving to SCAC next year.
And what else makes sense would be for:

Colorado College to go to D-2 Rocky Mountain AC, and

LeTourneau to move to the SCAC.  (LeTourneau might be a better fit in the SCAC than the ASC.)

Travel partners...
Trinity /Schreiner  65 miles apart
Southwestern / TLU  78 miles apart
Austin College /UDallas  68 miles apart
Centenary /LETU  63 miles apart
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tigerfan_2001 on April 19, 2012, 03:56:29 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 19, 2012, 03:04:06 PM
Quote from: 108 Stitches on April 19, 2012, 01:54:35 PM
Centenary is moving to SCAC next year.
And what else makes sense would be for:

Colorado College to go to D-2 Rocky Mountain AC, and

LeToruneau to move to the SCAC.  (LeTourneau might be a better fit in the SCAC than the ASC.)

Travel partners...
Trinity /Schreiner  65 miles apart
Southwestern / TLU  78 miles apart
Austin College /UDallas  60 miles apart
Centenary /LETU  60 miles apart
you should have stopped when you said MAKES SENSE.  you have been around long enough to know that sense has no part in college athletics....
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on April 19, 2012, 10:51:35 PM
Quote from: tigerfan_2001 on April 19, 2012, 03:56:29 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 19, 2012, 03:04:06 PM
Quote from: 108 Stitches on April 19, 2012, 01:54:35 PM
Centenary is moving to SCAC next year.
And what else makes sense would be for:

Colorado College to go to D-2 Rocky Mountain AC, and

LeToruneau to move to the SCAC.  (LeTourneau might be a better fit in the SCAC than the ASC.)

Travel partners...
Trinity /Schreiner  65 miles apart
Southwestern / TLU  78 miles apart
Austin College /UDallas  60 miles apart
Centenary /LETU  60 miles apart
you should have stopped when you said MAKES SENSE.  you have been around long enough to know that sense has no part in college athletics....
NCAA - MAKES SENSE......Never....
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 20, 2012, 10:38:44 AM
The NCAA doesn't have any say in conference membership or travel partners. :)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 20, 2012, 10:55:25 AM
Quote from: TexasBB on April 19, 2012, 01:23:27 PM
Quote"With McMurry, TLU, Schreiner and Centenary moving out in the next couple of years, then the 12-team conference probably moves to a 6-team tourney."

Ralph,

I know McMurry is moving to DIV II but what about the otherr two schools? Centenary just joined the ASC this year so moving out would be a surprise.

You saw 108's note about Centenary -- they will be in the SCAC next season.

TLU and Schreiner made announcements earlier this year that they were switching to the SCAC, both effective '13-'14.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on April 20, 2012, 12:59:14 PM
Quote from: dahlby on April 18, 2012, 11:12:10 PM
From what I understand it will be a four team playoff in the SCIAC.
Wrong topic on ASC board but is this for 2013....Not for 2012????
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dahlby on April 20, 2012, 01:45:17 PM
Crash, I was simply answering your statement regarding SCIAC playoffs.
Playoffs to start in '13.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 20, 2012, 10:40:53 PM
UMHB 6 McMurry 0.

We now have two chances to win one.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tigerfan_2001 on April 20, 2012, 10:43:26 PM
TLU beats Concordia 1-0.  No box score or stats, but sounds like Orsey was on tonight. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 20, 2012, 11:22:42 PM
Quote from: tigerfan_2001 on April 20, 2012, 10:43:26 PM
TLU beats Concordia 1-0.  No box score or stats, but sounds like Orsey was on tonight.
What a game!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: OshDude on April 21, 2012, 12:03:53 AM
Quote from: tigerfan_2001 on April 20, 2012, 10:43:26 PM
TLU beats Concordia 1-0.  No box score or stats, but sounds like Orsey was on tonight.
Watched online, so I'll leave it to others who were there. But my observation was that he was effectively wild.

Good feed and fantastic facility, by the way.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: DoubleSteal on April 21, 2012, 12:21:15 AM
Quote from: Ricky Nelson on April 21, 2012, 12:03:53 AM
Quote from: tigerfan_2001 on April 20, 2012, 10:43:26 PM
TLU beats Concordia 1-0.  No box score or stats, but sounds like Orsey was on tonight.
Watched online, so I'll leave it to others who were there. But my observation was that he was effectively wild.

Good feed and fantastic facility, by the way.
That would be a good way to describe Orosey tonight (he walked 6), however he did seem to have that extra something that allowed him to bear down when he got in trouble. Concordia had some chances, but couldn't come through with the hits, not to mention TLU made some really good plays in the field.

To be honest, Scott Hays may have pitched a better game.  He gave up one unearned run and struck out 9.  Both pitchers went the distance. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 21, 2012, 04:05:53 PM
Too much drama...

McMurry gets a bases-loaded DP in the bottom of the 7th (of a 7/9 DH) to beat UMHB 2-1 and clinch the berth in the ASC tourney.

This ends a 6-game losing streak going back to the second game in the HSU series.

McMurry loses game 2, 6-5 (10 innings).


HSU swept HPU 5-4 (10), yesterday; 5-4 (8) and 2-0 today to capture 3rd.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 21, 2012, 06:54:06 PM
Real drama,

TLU and CTX are tied in first at 16-4...

and tied in the top of the 10th 2-2.  Ullman in relief for the Tornadoes. 

Bottom of the 10th...

Pre-season HM AA C/UTL Collin Janssen leads off with a single. Sean Kistler in relief for TLU. Janssen goes to second on a SAC bunt by Tyler Grygar and onto third on an error by 1B. After an intentional BB to load the bases, Kistler gets 3 outs: swinging K, foul out to 1b and a grounder to 2b.


Going to the 13th... tied at 2.


Bottom of the 15th...

Lead-off batter Kyle Rodriguez singles to RF.
Andrew Burns SAC bunts him to 2b.
Quinn Guest grounds to second base to push Rodriguez to thrid.
Brent Schaekel singles to right to bring home Rodriguez.

Beautiful "small-ball" inning.

Final CTX 3, TLU 2.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 21, 2012, 10:24:41 PM
In the East, UTD split with ETBU. After dropping the first game they found themselves trailing going into the 9th in danger of dropping the double header. But they rallied and scored 4 in the top of the 9th and won 9-8. They are now tied with UTT at 13-4 for first in the east as the Patriots swept a double header with Louisiana College. ETBU still has a chance at the playoffs they need to beat UTD and have UTT beat Lousiana College. If that happens then they get in and Louisiana college stays home. That would also hand the Patriots the East title. So it all comes down to the last games of the last week of the season. That is the way it should be!

Texas BB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 22, 2012, 05:19:46 PM
UTT beat La College 14-5 to sweep the series and gain at least a Co-Championship with UTD. UTD is still playing and if they beat ETBU win they will be the top seed from the east due to winning the tie breaker.  UTT finished the regular season 31-9 and 14-4 in the conference. This is the 7 time since 2005 that they have won at least 30 games and also the 7th time that they have won or shared the East Championship.

Texas BB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 22, 2012, 05:27:50 PM
ETBU doesn't have LiveStats.   :(
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 22, 2012, 06:05:38 PM
The UTT schedule on the conference website gives the record of 32-9, one more than the allowable 40 regular season games.

Does anyone know what the correct season outcome is for UTT?

I think that the problem is the UMHB 03/13 game which is doubly entered on the ASC website.


Corrected...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 22, 2012, 06:50:28 PM
UTT finished 31-9.

UTD beat ETBU and secured the top seed in the East.

The east teams in the playoffs

UTD
UTT
Mississippi College
Louisiana College


Texas BB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on April 23, 2012, 06:50:45 AM
UTD 27-13  ;D
UTT 31-9  ;D
Mississippi College 18-21  ??? ???
Louisiana College 14-22  ??? ???
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 23, 2012, 01:22:44 PM
As I said in an earlier post the East really is only a 2 team division this year. Mississippi College is the third seed but its program is down from the last couple of years. Lousiana College made it in despite being swept by UTT and thus backed in.

I am not as familiar with the West but they also don't seem as balanced as they had been in the past. 

Concordia is a very good team and including TLU, UTT and UTD the conferece has 4 solid teams. I hope we can get 2 of those teams to the regionals this year and make some noise!!

Texas BB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on April 23, 2012, 03:14:42 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on April 23, 2012, 01:22:44 PM
As I said in an earlier post the East really is only a 2 team division this year. Mississippi College is the third seed but its program is down from the last couple of years. Lousiana College made it in despite being swept by UTT and thus backed in.

I am not as familiar with the West but they also don't seem as balanced as they had been in the past. 

Concordia is a very good team and including TLU, UTT and UTD the conferece has 4 solid teams. I hope we can get 2 of those teams to the regionals this year and make some noise!!

Texas BB
I also see 2 teams in the West Regional from ASC. NWC, SCIAC, SCAC will only see 1 team each with Pool A bids. This leaves 1 team I believe coming from outside the Region going to West Regional in Oregon in 2012
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on April 23, 2012, 03:21:36 PM
I see a Midwest Region team being shipped in... either La Crosse or St. Thomas... but a lot can change before selection Sunday.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dbat on April 23, 2012, 06:53:52 PM
The series of the week was definitely TLU @ CTX. Friday was by far the best game with two stud pitchers coming out under the lights. I agree with the earlier post that Hays was the better pitcher Friday, but some how Orosey was able to fight off some rallies by CTX. An untimely error by a sure handed Guest was the only run Hays allowed (unearned). By the way Harvey in center saved the game for TLU with a diving playing and doubling up the runner at second. GREAT GAME all around.

Saturday Spillane and Grygar continued where Orosey and Hays left off. Another great pitching match up that came down to the pin for CTX where they lost it. If you can't tell I am a big fan of pitching and defense. The last game of the series started to get a little sloppy for both teams. You could tell the intensity was slipping in both dugouts. TLU made some crucial errors that allowed CTX to take the lead. As always TLU comes back with some hay makers in towards the end to tie it up. Concordia ended up stringing together some good hitting, small ball, and a timely gap hit to win it. They outplay TLU in the end.

One thing I did find strange was the fact that CTX dog piled after game 3. Don't get me wrong. They won the conference with that hit and they should be excited, but they also did lose a conference series that day. Again I am not saying they shouldn't be excited just found it a little out of the ordinary for a division title and series loss.

My predictions is CTX will take 2 straight from LC. TLU will take 2 straight from MC. UTD will win in 3 games. I am going to taker MCM again this year to upset UTT but it will be in 3 games.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BamColt on April 24, 2012, 11:27:23 AM
Winning the game in extra innings I wouldn't have expected anything less than a dogpile to wrap up the West. Im sure if it was a 5-1 win it wouldn't have happened. Losing that series gives TLU bragging rights, but i'm sure Boggs will take hosting by any means.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 24, 2012, 12:04:06 PM
Quote from: dbat on April 23, 2012, 06:53:52 PM
The series of the week was definitely TLU @ CTX. Friday was by far the best game with two stud pitchers coming out under the lights. I agree with the earlier post that Hays was the better pitcher Friday, but some how Orosey was able to fight off some rallies by CTX. An untimely error by a sure handed Guest was the only run Hays allowed (unearned). By the way Harvey in center saved the game for TLU with a diving playing and doubling up the runner at second. GREAT GAME all around.

Saturday Spillane and Grygar continued where Orosey and Hays left off. Another great pitching match up that came down to the pin for CTX where they lost it. If you can't tell I am a big fan of pitching and defense. The last game of the series started to get a little sloppy for both teams. You could tell the intensity was slipping in both dugouts. TLU made some crucial errors that allowed CTX to take the lead. As always TLU comes back with some hay makers in towards the end to tie it up. Concordia ended up stringing together some good hitting, small ball, and a timely gap hit to win it. They outplay TLU in the end.

One thing I did find strange was the fact that CTX dog piled after game 3. Don't get me wrong. They won the conference with that hit and they should be excited, but they also did lose a conference series that day. Again I am not saying they shouldn't be excited just found it a little out of the ordinary for a division title and series loss.

My predictions is CTX will take 2 straight from LC. TLU will take 2 straight from MC. UTD will win in 3 games. I am going to taker MCM again this year to upset UTT but it will be in 3 games.
Thanks, but we go to UTD this season.  HSU plays the Patriots.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dbat on April 24, 2012, 06:45:35 PM
Sorry about those predictions. For some reason I was looking at the site ascsports.org on Sunday and they showed the standings at CTX, TLU, McMurry, and HSU. Should have done my homework. I will try and redo this here:

CTX over LC in 2 games
TLU over MC in 2 games
HSU over UTT in 3 games (I still just have feeling UTT will have some hickups this post season)
UTD over MC in 3 (sorry Ralph but UTD is hot right now)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 24, 2012, 06:47:13 PM
Quote from: dbat on April 24, 2012, 06:45:35 PM
Sorry about those predictions. For some reason I was looking at the site ascsports.org on Sunday and they showed the standings at CTX, TLU, McMurry, and HSU. Should have done my homework. I will try and redo this here:

CTX over LC in 2 games
TLU over MC in 2 games
HSU over UTT in 3 games (I still just have feeling UTT will have some hickups this post season)
UTD over MC in 3 (sorry Ralph but UTD is hot right now)
And they beat us 1806 in a mid-week game earlier this month.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 25, 2012, 02:00:35 PM
I think that the top 2 teams from each division advance. There is not as much parity this year and I don't see any upsets. So all the home teams will move on to the double elimination round. CTX is in the drivers seat. It is their tournament to lose.

TexasBB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 25, 2012, 10:49:39 PM
It appears umhb will be searching for a new coach as coach Dunaway has "resigned". One swing of the bat and umhb is in third place. Guess some in upper management must not know the game enough to know how close he was. It will be interesting to see who replaces him.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 25, 2012, 11:00:12 PM
QuoteIt appears umhb will be searching for a new coach as coach Dunaway has "resigned". One swing of the bat and umhb is in third place. Guess some in upper management must not know the game enough to know how close he was. It will be interesting to see who replaces him.

UMHB beat UTT in a long extra inning game just two weeks ago in Tyler. That is too bad, as you said the team was very close to making the playoffs.

Texas BB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 25, 2012, 11:01:36 PM
Quote from: dp643 on April 25, 2012, 10:49:39 PM
It appears umhb will be searching for a new coach as coach Dunaway has "resigned". One swing of the bat and umhb is in third place. Guess some in upper management must not know the game enough to know how close he was. It will be interesting to see who replaces him.
My thought is that UMHB is preparing to move to another level.

I don't know Coach Dunaway, but this outsider would call attention to what else is happening.

Look at what they did in women's hoops!  Coach Lisa Curliss-Taylor who was a winner at ETBU.

What calibre are Coach Fred and Coach DeWeese?

What about golf?  Coach Rodeffer and Coach Kirby!

With McMurry and TLU leaving, the ASC is a whole new conference.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 25, 2012, 11:03:02 PM
QuoteMy thought is that UMHB is preparing to move to another level.

Ralph,

Are you suggesting another school is planning to leave the ASC?

TexasBB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 25, 2012, 11:26:10 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on April 25, 2012, 11:03:02 PM
QuoteMy thought is that UMHB is preparing to move to another level.

Ralph,

Are you suggesting another school is planning to leave the ASC?

TexasBB
I have heard UMHB allude to the fact that they want to be the Mount Union of D-III.

That degree of excellence appears to be the goal that they can quickly attain.

They have one of the largest enrollments in the conference. Their capital spending on facilities has been greater than almost every other school.

They have to determine what size and what focus that they want their athletic department to be.

Were they not D-II in the late 1990's? (I need some help on that. Dual NAIA/provisional D-II?  Heart of Texas Conference?)


St Mary's web site (http://www.stmarytx.edu/athletics/index.php?site=historyTimeline)
Quote1995

The women's basketball team competes in its first-ever NAIA National Tournament. The volleyball and men's basketball team along with two tennis players also qualify for their national tournaments.

For the third time in four years the baseball team extends the school wins record with a 46-14 season and a NAIA College World Series appearance.

St. Mary's and the rest of the Heart of Texas Conference are granted provisional membership in the NCAA Division II. The HOTC teams continue to play as NAIA teams pending completion of the transition to NCAA affiliation and are subject to both organizations' rules.

1999

The groundbreaking ceremony is held for the Alumni Athletics & Convocation Center during Homcoming Weekend.

The Rattler baseball and softball teams both advance to the NAIA Southwest regionals.

After 12 seasons the Heart of Texas Conference comes to an end as its members leave the NAIA for the NCAA. At its peak, the HOTC was comprised of nine institutions. St. Mary's and three other schools became NCAA Division II affiliates as the other five joined the NCAA's Division III.

St. Mary's joins Division II's newest conference, the Heartland Conference. The Rattlers are joined by former HOTC foes St. Edward's University, Texas Wesleyan University, and the University of the Incarnate Word and by new rivals Drury College, Lincoln University and Rockhurst University. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 26, 2012, 11:35:37 AM
Ralph,

The info you quoted from 1995 etc is for St. Mary's, a Catholic College in San Antonio. St Mary's is in the Heartland Conference in baseball. University of Mary Hardin-Baylor is a Babtist school that was never in the Hearland Conference to the best of my knowledge.

Texas BB

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 26, 2012, 12:16:42 PM
If that is the case Ralph then I question the timing. Dunaway was named interim coach last year and was retained. The team improved from his first year and like I said earlier, was one swing of the bat from 3rd place. If expectations are that high, then why retain him after his first season. If they had the confidence in him after year one, then more than one season should be allowed to show performance, especially when he improved after his first season. None of this makes any sense.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 26, 2012, 01:16:03 PM
QuoteIf that is the case Ralph then I question the timing. Dunaway was named interim coach last year and was retained. The team improved from his first year and like I said earlier, was one swing of the bat from 3rd place. If expectations are that high, then why retain him after his first season. If they had the confidence in him after year one, then more than one season should be allowed to show performance, especially when he improved after his first season. None of this makes any sense.

Replacing a coach is often due to factors that have nothing to do with wins and losses. Example - Mike Leach at Texas Tech. It could be that the coach simply had a personality conflict with the AD or other administrative personell. Who knows, but for whatever the reason they are making the change. I just hope that he lands on his feet somewhere.

TexasBB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on April 26, 2012, 01:32:22 PM
True... I was let go from a head coaching job after a "local legend" made it known to the school that he would be open to talking about the position "should it become available." I actually met all of my performace requirements including wins and general athletic fund-raising initiatives, but was told I was no longer needed when a "name" came calling.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on April 26, 2012, 06:49:39 PM
It has everything to do with wins and losses. Ralph is correct. Apparently the higher ups in administration expected UMHB to play like the new York Yankees. Pretty disheartening considering the whole season plays out differently with one swing of the bat.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 27, 2012, 07:40:17 PM
Two Three "upsets" so far...

McMurry 2, at UTD 0

Mississippi College 5, at TLU 3

LaCollege 8, at CTX 5.

and

at UTT 10, HSU 0 (7 innings)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on April 27, 2012, 10:15:17 PM
Someone once told me that "there are no such things as upsets in the post season."
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 27, 2012, 10:17:00 PM
UTT 10 HSU 0

No upset in Tyler.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 27, 2012, 10:18:51 PM
CTX and UTD did themselves no favors in Pool C by losing a game in the first weekend.

You need to go 2-0 in the first weekend and preferably 2-2 in the second weekend (in a 4-team bracket) for Pool C sake to go 4-2 in the post-season tourney
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 27, 2012, 10:27:24 PM
I am surprised. I had predicted that all 4 home teams would advance. They may still but a loss in the opening game with your best pitcher on the mound is not a great way to start. It gives the visiting team confidence and will often cause the home team to press. In baseball pressing never produces good results. You have to be loose.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 28, 2012, 02:28:33 PM
TLU beats MissColl 5-3 in Game 2.

UTD leads McMurry 7-0 in the bottom of the 9th. Marvin Prestridge allowed 4 hits and struck out 8 in 8 innings.  Final UTD 7-0.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 28, 2012, 03:56:53 PM
What a treat...

Legendary broadcaster Bill Mercer is doing the UTD-McM live cast with a student.

http://cometsports.utdallas.edu/showcase/#liveevents

I grew up listening to Bill Mercer. Here is the wikipedia listing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Mercer).

His voice was everywhere on the dial for sports fans.

He does the UTD sports events on the student webstream.  The chance to work with a veteran broadcaster such is invaluable.

Every time I get to hear you, Mr Mercer, I appreciate the contributions that you have made!

Your voice is mellifluous.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 28, 2012, 04:13:07 PM
Concordia leads LC, 1-0, going into the top of the sixth.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 28, 2012, 05:22:58 PM
MissColl eliminates the Bulldogs.

McMurry 3, UTD 2, going to the bottom of the 9th in Richardson.

UTD has a runner on second and 2 outs.  Marcellus Biggins leaps high to snag a line drive. Final

McMurry 3-12-0
UTD       2-4-2

Curious note to the UTD-McM series...

The only 2 runs scored in the 27 bottom halves of the inning were a 2-run homer in the 8th by UTD in game 3.

MOP is Spencer Smith, the pitcher who got the complete game shutout on final out.


Thank you, Bill Mercer and your broadcast partner Ryan Castle.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 28, 2012, 05:39:06 PM
CTX 3 LaColl 1 (10)

There are no upsets in the post-season...lots of great baseball!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 28, 2012, 05:55:29 PM
UTT and HSU are in the Top of the 12th. UTT is batting.

(The ASC tourney format is for the "visiting team" to bat last in game #2.)


Bottom of the 12th, tied 4-4.  HSU batting.

Zamora grounds out 5-3.
Uechi singles to left.
Reagor SAC bunt, Uechi to second.
Tarrant walked to get the force.
Rehling singles to RF. Uechi thrown out at the plate 9-2.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 28, 2012, 06:33:11 PM
UTT and HSU both score in the 13th.  Tied at 5 going to the 14th.

HSU 6-5 in 14.

Going to Game #3.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 28, 2012, 08:45:15 PM
CTX won game 2 in the 10th and is comfortably ahead in game 3 so far 9.3

UTT is ahead in its game 3 in the 5th 3-0.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 28, 2012, 09:38:50 PM
UTT wins game 3 with a score of 3-1.

CTX wins game 3 with a score of 9-4.

My prediction of all the home teams advancing was dashed.

So the 4 teams for the douple elimination round at CTX are

CTX
UTT
McMurry
Mississippi College

CTX is still the favorite to win.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on April 30, 2012, 10:47:13 AM
Quote from: TexasBB on April 28, 2012, 09:38:50 PM
UTT wins game 3 with a score of 3-1.

CTX wins game 3 with a score of 9-4.

My prediction of all the home teams advancing was dashed.

So the 4 teams for the douple elimination round at CTX are

CTX
UTT
McMurry
Mississippi College

CTX is still the favorite to win.
Any predictions if any of these 4 gets a Pool C bid if they lose in the next round in the ASC championship. Only CTX and UTT have a shot at a Pool C in my opinion.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 30, 2012, 02:34:55 PM
Based on last weeks regional rankings only CTX has a chance at Pool C if they don't win it outright.

If CTX wins it outright, even UTT will have a tough time getting a Pool C bid since they dropped a game to HSU. UTD is out as is TLU. The other two teams McMurry and Mississippi have too many losses to be a factor.

So the best the ASC can hope for, insofar as maximizing representation in the Regional, is for a team other than CTX to win the tournament with CTX finishing second.

Texas BB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 108 Stitches on April 30, 2012, 05:09:21 PM
The best hope is for CTX to win the tourney as is looks like TU will have the top west rankings based on current situation.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 03, 2012, 11:38:44 PM
I want to give a shout-out to SRSU for going to the Arizona "Tournament" in mid-February where 10 other West Region teams met to play 3-5 games.

That is one of the best "tourneys" in the country and it helps to build the ASC.

Alpine to Phoenix AZ - 10 hours and 7 mins

Alpine to UT-Tyler - 10 hours and 6 mins.  ;)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 04, 2012, 02:44:05 PM
Today in Austin. Strange pairing for the first day. Mississippi College plays McMurry at 3:00 and UTT takes on CTX at 7:00.

I would have thought that UTT would be playing McMurry and CTX would be playing Mississippi College, however the luck of the draw.

In the second game the top teams from their respective divisions face off. UTT is the top hitting team in the ASC with a team batting average of .337 and 8 hitting .300 or better. CTX has the best pitching staff in the conference with a 2.72 staff ERA and by far the strongest bull pen lead by Ryan Ullman with 7 saves and a 1.54 ERA.

UTT will likely start Hack Barkley who is 10-0 this season with a 3.22 ERA. His is likely to be facing either Scott Hays 6-3 with a 2.72 ERA or Colin Butschek who is 2-0 in 12 starts with a 2.23 ERA. 

This will be an intersting matchup. If CTX gets the lead early they should prevail with their strong bullpen. UTT must get out fast and have their starter work into the later innings. A telling stat, UTT has lost its last 2 extra inning games.

The winner of this game is likely to be the Conference Champion.

Texas BB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 04, 2012, 02:58:26 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 04, 2012, 02:44:05 PM
Today in Austin. Strange pairing for the first day. Mississippi College plays McMurry at 3:00 and UTT takes on CTX at 7:00.

I would have thought that UTT would be playing McMurry and CTX would be playing Mississippi College, however the luck of the draw.   ...
Actually, the bracket was not re-seeded. ASC-East #1 UT-Dallas was bracketed to play ASC-West #2 TLU.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 04, 2012, 03:34:12 PM
Usually in tournaments, the top 2 teams are paired against the lower seeds.So without an upset they then face each other in the semi-finals. I wonder why they paired it this way, it is counter intuitive. That means one of the top seeded teams will have one loss right out of the shute. Does not make a lot of sense.

TexasBB.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 04, 2012, 03:38:01 PM
I guess what I am saying is that for the double elimination round they should have re-seeded the teams. The fact that they did not is an oversight IMO. But it is what it is.

Texas BB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 04, 2012, 05:51:17 PM
First game  (Ouch)

McM        000 000 000        0-4-0
MissColl    010 000 00x        1-4-0

Miss College puts together a BB and 2 singles in the bottom of the 2nd!

What a game!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 04, 2012, 09:29:32 PM
Concordia has broken the game open 7-0 in the 5th and still bating. This one is essentially over as Tyler melted down with errors, walks, catcher interference all in the 5th inning.

CTX has scored 4 runs on two hits with two outs. The cardinal sin of baseball - free passes and errors lead to base runners and disaster. Barkley who normally has great controll did not today.

Texas BB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 04, 2012, 10:01:24 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 04, 2012, 03:38:01 PM
I guess what I am saying is that for the double elimination round they should have re-seeded the teams. The fact that they did not is an oversight IMO. But it is what it is.

Texas BB

The ASC Baseball tournament has (as long as I can remember for the 8-team format) always has been bracketed this way (http://www.ascsports.org/documents/2012/4/22/ASCBaseballTournamentBracket12.pdf?id=193).
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BamColt on May 04, 2012, 10:57:33 PM
Concordia takes it 9-0.

Scott Hayes throws a gem against a very talented hitting bunch in UTT.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 05, 2012, 05:18:24 PM
This is sweet.

A great game between McMurry and UTT today in the loser's bracket...

Tied at 1; tied at 2; UTT up 4-2, then 5-2.

McMurry scores 4 in the top of the 9th and then Hejny, the McMurry reliever, gets the #2, #3 and #4 batters to win the game, 6-5.

UTT is eliminated and we play the loser of the Miss Coll CTX game which is up next
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 05, 2012, 11:19:04 PM
McM 6, Miss Coll 4.

Caleb Gonzales 5 innings plus allowing 3 runs gets the win.
Deen Coleman gets the save in 4innings in relief.
Miss Coll eliminated.
McMurry faces CTX tomorrow.
Great outings by both McM pitchers.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 06, 2012, 09:26:09 PM
Congratulations to CTX for their Back to Back ASC championships!

Texas BB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 15, 2012, 12:04:34 PM
UMHB hires within as Ben Shipp steps down as VP of Athletics to become the new coach. Rumors also swirling that his son, and former catcher at UMHB, Kyle Shipp will become the new Assistant coach. Coach Mann becomes the new VP of Athletics. Stay tuned.....


http://cruathletics.com/news/2012/5/15/BB_0515121416.aspx (http://cruathletics.com/news/2012/5/15/BB_0515121416.aspx)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on May 15, 2012, 01:19:45 PM
Do you ever wonder how the ASC gets no respect with 16 teams and only gets 1 bid to to the regionals each year.

Teams win 30+ games this year and past years and never make it to the regionals. Teams from other conferences win 20 to 25 and get in....SOS does not work in the West Region. I think it needs to be thrown out for Pool B/C consideration
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BamColt on May 15, 2012, 02:50:31 PM
I've been saying this for years. I would love to see how many who vote are in Texas, or even in the southern part of the country.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 16, 2012, 07:27:28 AM
UTT won 33 games which under normal circumstances would have gotten them into the regionals. However, the lost 3 of 5 in the tournament. They also dropped 3 out of 4 to CTX. They just did not have a steller pitching staff thIs year. A team ERA of over 4 with the restricted bats used this year was their weakness. The last couple of years in post season play they have not faired well and that too may have played into things even though it is not part of the measuring criteria.

TexasBB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on September 28, 2012, 05:09:43 PM
What does MC move to D@ mean for Baseball in the ASC? Does it huft or not really mke a difference?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 28, 2012, 05:33:45 PM
Quote from: Bishopleftiesdad on September 28, 2012, 05:09:43 PM
What does MC move to D@ mean for Baseball in the ASC? Does it huft or not really mke a difference?

There are still going to be a lot of schools in the ASC.  Football is about the only sport this will impact in a big way.   If I counted right there are still 11 baseball teams left after MC, TLU, Schreiner all depart (plus Centenary and McMurry which left already).    Scheduling will be interesting; do they keep the two divisions?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on September 28, 2012, 08:20:01 PM
I know in the NCAC they have 10 teams. They are divided up into two divisions. The west is considered much stronger than the east. Except for Wooster. The west would like to see round robin. They tried it one season, but the foot print between Allegheny and Wabash madeweather make ups hard. So we are back to divisions.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 11, 2013, 08:54:44 AM
A few early season story lines to get the chatter going:

We'll know a little more this weekend after UT Tyler & Hardin Simmons square off and 6 ASC teams play in the Rudy's Country Store & BBQ Tornado Classic.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BamColt on February 25, 2013, 09:43:10 PM
Concordia looks to be back on track and finally putting some things together after starting 0-6.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on February 26, 2013, 02:11:59 PM
Quote from: BamColt on February 25, 2013, 09:43:10 PM
Concordia looks to be back on track and finally putting some things together after starting 0-6.
0-6 must have been their practice games/aka spring training..
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2013, 08:26:01 PM
Sul Ross State Baseball Major League Spoof (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gv61PwD6QXU)

This is very clever!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on March 07, 2013, 09:00:31 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2013, 08:26:01 PM
Sul Ross State Baseball Major League Spoof (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gv61PwD6QXU)

This is very clever!]
Very funny...Will they now start a winning streak like the moive Major League Cleveland Indians and make the playoffs  ;D

Link to the playoffs (http://youtube.googleapis.com/v/nPH9cWTJgdU&autoplay=1)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Patriotfan87 on March 09, 2013, 02:39:50 AM
No surprises in the ASC East on opening night of conference play with UT Tyler taking Mississippi College 7-1, Letourneau falling to LC 3-1, and UT Dallas taking care of Ozarks 4-0. ETBU fell to The University of Dallas by a field goal in non-conference action.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Patriotfan87 on March 09, 2013, 08:01:34 PM
UT Tyler sweeps MC, giving up 4 runs in 3 games (7-1/2-1/7-2), UT Dallas takes 2 of 3 on the road from Ozarks, and Leteourneau drops 2-3 at home to LC.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on March 14, 2013, 07:03:57 PM
Who is better?

Texas-Tyler(15-4)
Texas Lutheran(14-6)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Patriotfan87 on March 14, 2013, 08:28:01 PM
I haven't seen TLU play, but they do share some common opponents, if you think that tells you anything. TLU lost 2 of 3 to Mississippi, UTT swept Mississippi. TLU swept UMHB, UTT took 2-3 from them. We should know a little more after this weekend with UTT playing UTD in Richardson. UTD took 2 of 3 from TLU. TLU should handle Schriner without a problem.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 14, 2013, 08:48:53 PM
Quote from: Patriotfan87 on March 14, 2013, 08:28:01 PM
I haven't seen TLU play, but they do share some common opponents, if you think that tells you anything. TLU lost 2 of 3 to Mississippi, UTT swept Mississippi. TLU swept UMHB, UTT took 2-3 from them. We should know a little more after this weekend with UTT playing UTD in Richardson. UTD took 2 of 3 from TLU. TLU should handle Schriner without a problem.
Correction please.

TLU won 2 out of three at Mississippi College.  (For you visitors to the ASC boards, TLU to Mississippi College is 610 miles.)

UTT won all three against MC at home.  (Mississippi College to UT-Tyler is 306 miles straight on I-20.) That is a wash IMHO.

UTD beat TLU in Seguin.  That is a good series to win.

Thanks for highlighting the comparison.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Patriotfan87 on March 14, 2013, 09:25:47 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 14, 2013, 08:48:53 PM
Quote from: Patriotfan87 on March 14, 2013, 08:28:01 PM
I haven't seen TLU play, but they do share some common opponents, if you think that tells you anything. TLU lost 2 of 3 to Mississippi, UTT swept Mississippi. TLU swept UMHB, UTT took 2-3 from them. We should know a little more after this weekend with UTT playing UTD in Richardson. UTD took 2 of 3 from TLU. TLU should handle Schriner without a problem.
Correction please.

TLU won 2 out of three at Mississippi College.  (For you visitors to the ASC boards, TLU to Mississippi College is 610 miles.)

UTT won all three against MC at home.  (Mississippi College to UT-Tyler is 306 miles straight on I-20.) That is a wash IMHO.

UTD beat TLU in Seguin.  That is a good series to win.

Thanks for highlighting the comparison.

Fair enough, I personally dont put much stock in "the we beat them, and they beat you, so we can beat you theory", and I believe that I worded my original post to reflect as such. There are too many variables in baseball. Any team can have a bad/fantastic weekend. However, I'm not really sure how the mileage matters, unless the team made the trip over on Friday morning. Also, I mis-read the record on the ASC website on the MC series, my mistake.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 14, 2013, 09:35:09 PM
I believe that mileage should be considered when the bus trip is more than 6 hours, and maybe even more than 4-5 hours.  I think that is why the ASC is one of the tougher conferences in the country from that perspective.  Everywhere we go in the country in the post season is a long trip away.
:)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 15, 2013, 01:22:25 PM
Maybee not this year as the regionals will be in Texas.

;D
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 15, 2013, 05:48:52 PM
UTD beats UTT in a pitchers duel 2-1.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Patriotfan87 on March 15, 2013, 08:37:45 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on March 15, 2013, 05:48:52 PM
UTD beats UTT in a pitchers duel 2-1.

UTT is going to have to clean up the defense a little if they want to win those types of games. Good game, just a little sloppy.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 16, 2013, 11:33:23 AM
Since we're about half way in... here's some of the ASC's top performers so far:

Position Players:
UTD: Jacob Prince - .393 AVG, .500 OBP
ETBU: Garrett Parsons - .384 AVG, 6 3B, 2 HR, 16 RBI
ETBU: Tyler Bates - .364 AVG, 6 2B, 2 HR, 16 RBI, 5-5 SB
CUA: Brent Schaekel - .325 AVG, .433 OBP, 14 RBI, 10-10 SB
HSU: Marcus Uechi - .377 AVG, .490 OBP,  6-6 SB
HPU: Jake Sadler - .373 AVG, .486 OBP, 9-13 SBs
LC: Mark Riendeau - .426 AVG, .487 OBP, 17 RBIs
MC: Josh Perez - .397 AVG, .440 OBP, 9-12 SB
OZ: Sam Shook - .419 AVG, .483 OBP, 19 R, 2 HR, 14 RBI,
OZ: Nick Brill - .378 AVG, 19 R, 21 RBI
SCH: Chris Whitehead - .378 AVG, 10 2B
TLU: Klaus Bohrmann - .400 AVG, 16 R, 6 2B
UTT: Kevan House - .339 AVG, 5 3B, .661 SLG

Pitchers:
UTD: Derek Dallas - 4-1, 1.34 ERA, 42Ks, 1 BB (wow, that's a pretty crazy stat)
HSU: Tyler Brunnemann - 0.00 ERA, 6 SV, 27Ks in 14.1 IP, 0 BB, .100 AVG against
LC: Madison Lachney  - 4-0, 2.51 ERA
OZ: Ian Bryan - 2-1, 0.00 ERA, 1.59 AVG against
TLU: Sean Kistler - 0.00 ERA, 8 SV, 17Ks, .089 AVG against
UTT: Derek Miller - 1-0, 1.12 ERA, 6 SV
UTT: Jordan Marah - 4-1, 1.35 ERA, .181 AVG against
UTT: Chance Cotton - 3-2, 1.84 ERA, .179 AVG against
UHMB: Sam VanHoozer - 0-1, 0.90 ERA, .225 AVG against

UTIL:
HPU: Carlton Brown - .352 AVG, 7 2B, 5 3B, 19 RBIs, 3-0, 1.50 ERA, .081 AVG against
SR: Dakota Dill - .326 AVG, .441 OBP., 14 R, 10 RBI, 2-0, 3.00 ERA, 24Ks in 18 IP

Pretty small sample size of games in D3 so I'm sure some of these hot starts will level off and others will emerge, but should give some of you ASC fans a quick glimpse as who's performing well thus far as ASC divisional play progresses.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 108 Stitches on March 16, 2013, 11:42:24 AM
Thanks for posting love to see who is doing what in a conference. Two things that stand out:

1. No players from CTX.
2. I would not want to be down a run to TLU in the 9th. Sean Kistler looks like a beast.


Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 16, 2013, 12:34:00 PM
Quote from: 108 Stitches on March 16, 2013, 11:42:24 AM
Thanks for posting love to see who is doing what in a conference. Two things that stand out:

1. No players from CTX.
2. I would not want to be down a run to TLU in the 9th. Sean Kistler looks like a beast.

CUA = CTX so Schaekel is represented.

Check out my west regional rankings to see where I stand on Concordia. They're definitely a top 4 team in the ASC despite their bumps so far this year. I think Rupert and Ullmann are both solid arms (my jury of 1 is still out on Garwood), but their stats just didn't stand out the same way as the guys listed above. Unfortunately, I don't get to see as many games as I used to so I'm overly reliant on stats, which don't ever tell the whole story.

JSG 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 16, 2013, 12:36:01 PM
Quote from: 108 Stitches on March 16, 2013, 11:42:24 AM
2. I would not want to be down a run to TLU in the 9th. Sean Kistler looks like a beast.

Brunnemann at Hardin Simmons looks equally as tough.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Patriotfan87 on March 16, 2013, 06:34:04 PM
UTT sweeps Saturday DH to take the series from UTD, 5-1 and 3-2.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 29, 2013, 04:32:24 PM
UTT is struggling against Ozarks. Ozarks belted the UTT pitching staff last night in an 8-5 win with the Tyler pitchers giving up 7 runs in one inning. Today is another slug fest. UTT jumped out to an 8-3 lead but once again their pitching staff got knocked around and Ozarks tied the game. UTT came back and now has a 12-8 lead in the bottom of the 8th but they are not pitching like a ranked team. They have given up 16 runs in two games to a team that has lost more games than they have won.  Makes me wonder just how good UTT really is. We will see but the way they are playing 4 runs might not hold up.

Texas BB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Patriotfan87 on March 29, 2013, 05:55:06 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on March 29, 2013, 04:32:24 PM
UTT is struggling against Ozarks. Ozarks belted the UTT pitching staff last night in an 8-5 win with the Tyler pitchers giving up 7 runs in one inning. Today is another slug fest. UTT jumped out to an 8-3 lead but once again their pitching staff got knocked around and Ozarks tied the game. UTT came back and now has a 12-8 lead in the bottom of the 8th but they are not pitching like a ranked team. They have given up 16 runs in two games to a team that has lost more games than they have won.  Makes me wonder just how good UTT really is. We will see but the way they are playing 4 runs might not hold up.

Texas BB

Yesterday's game two starter was making his first start of the season. I guess the coaching staff didnt want to pitch their normal game two guy on two days less rest, Then the starter went out after the first with a sore arm today. He came into the game with a 1.16 ERA. Hopefully they can get him healthy. Game one starter didnt allow an earned run on Thursday, allowing only 5 singles and two unearned runs in a complete game 8-2 win. I do agree with you though. The Patriots did not play like a ranked team this weekend. At least they salvaged the series win. They havent lost a series this year.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 13, 2013, 07:40:44 PM
UOz won game 3 of the LaCollege series to prevent the sweep. That put a big hurt on LaCollege, who could have won the #1 seed by winning the UTT series next weekend. Now LaCollege must sweep.

Congratulations to ETBU. They can make the playoffs by winning game against UTD next weekend.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 13, 2013, 10:08:03 PM
Texas Lutheran completed the 3-game sweep of Hardin Simmons this weekend to clinch their 9th ASC west championship.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 13, 2013, 11:05:08 PM
UTT swept LeTourneau to go to 29-8
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 19, 2013, 10:12:01 PM
Congratulations to ETBU on making the post-season tourney.
They can clinch the #3 seed by beating UTD one game tomorrow.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Patriotfan87 on April 19, 2013, 10:52:34 PM
UTT takes game one in Pineville vs. La. College to win the ASC East!! 8-7 in 11 innings.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 19, 2013, 11:47:20 PM
Way to go UTT - 8th East Division Title since 2005.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 20, 2013, 08:28:15 PM
UTT had a let down today after clinching the East Division Championship yesterday dropping both games of the double header. They finish the regular season 30-10. La College secured the # 2 East position and a home field in the first round of the best of 3 playoffs next week.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 22, 2013, 08:53:27 AM
Round 1 of ASC Conference Tournament (bolded team hosts):
#1 UT Tyler vs. #4 Hardin-Simmons
#1 Texas Lutheran vs. #4 East Texas Baptist
#2 Louisiana College vs. #3 Mary-Hardin Baylor
#2 Concordia vs. #3 UT-Dallas

The winners from the four, best-of-three series will advance to the championship round, a double-elimination format to be held May 5-7 at the site of the top remaining East Division seed.

According the to the ASC website: "The West Division has produced the ASC champion 13 times. The only East teams to prevail were Mississippi College in 2003 and Texas-Tyler in 2009-10."

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 22, 2013, 02:22:54 PM
Ok, time for speculation. Despite the history of overall West Div dominance, I am picking 3 teams out of the East to advance to the double ellimination round.

1. UTT over Hardin-Simmons
2. Texas Lutheran over East Texas Babtist
3. Louisiana College over Mary Hardin Baylor
4 minor upset UT Dallas over Concordia

TexasBB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 22, 2013, 11:35:33 PM
I think anything can happen. My predictions probably mirror yours, but I think that only La College over UMHB feels like a sure thing.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on April 23, 2013, 05:18:12 PM
Big upset prediction...Concordia wins it all and gets to play and host....
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 23, 2013, 09:08:56 PM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on April 23, 2013, 05:18:12 PM
Big upset prediction...Concordia wins it all and gets to play and host....

Now that is going out on a limb!! This is fun!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 24, 2013, 11:34:31 AM
Quote from: TexasBB on April 23, 2013, 09:08:56 PM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on April 23, 2013, 05:18:12 PM
Big upset prediction...Concordia wins it all and gets to play and host....

Now that is going out on a limb!! This is fun!

This is what I said pretty early on in the year re: Concordia:

QuoteConcordia - They've struggled to replace some guys from the top of their rotation last year, seem to be a bit weaker at the plate, have already matched their loss total from last year, lost all 4 in the Desert classic and got swept by UTD. I still wouldn't be surprised if they won the ASC tournament.

I think their series with UTD is going to be compelling, especially since UTD swept them earlier this season. I'm more reluctant to pick CTX now because I just don't think they have the propensity to slug their way to a win should a guy like Weinschenk have a rough outing. I think those top 3-4 arms are pretty solid, but so are UTD's. Campbell emerged midway through the season as a great addition to their weekend rotation and Dallas is tough, though I'm wondering if he's suffering from a bit of fatigue as the 2nd half of his season wasn't nearly as stellar as the first.

Should be an evenly matched series.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 25, 2013, 05:45:55 PM
With the league shrinking to 11 teams, I would not be surprised if the # of teams invited to play in the conference tournament shrinks as well.  I can see a 6 team tournament with the top seeds in each division getting a Bye in the first round with the #2 and #3 teams from each division playing a best of 3.  Then winners of those games would join the two #1 seeds in the double ellimination round the following week. So the general format would stay the same but with 2 fewer teams involved.

TexasBB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 25, 2013, 06:17:31 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on April 25, 2013, 05:45:55 PM
With the league shrinking to 11 teams, I would not be surprised if the # of teams invited to play in the conference tournament shrinks as well.  I can see a 6 team tournament with the top seeds in each division getting a Bye in the first round with the #2 and #3 teams from each division playing a best of 3.  Then winners of those games would join the two #1 seeds in the double ellimination round the following week. So the general format would stay the same but with 2 fewer teams involved.

TexasBB
If you are the #1 and #2 seeds, do you really want 12 days off at the end of the regular season before your first tourney game? 

I think that I would rather have #1 vs #8 (and #2 vs #7), a very winnable game that allows you to increase the winning percentage by going 2-0. You also get the playoff butterflies out of the way with "post-season tourney wins".  You may even get some PT for some younger players if you have a blowout.

I think that I might like to have a 6-team double elimination tourney.  Having the missed class time over 4-days instead of three might be a problem, but it would simulate the Regional and favor the stronger pitching staffs.

It would also allow the regular season to extend deeper into the semester, (unless that interfered with final exams.)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Teddy_Ballgame on April 25, 2013, 06:58:11 PM
I'm bringing this over from the west region board to get some clarification regarding the ASC tournament format-
Quote from: TexasBB on April 25, 2013, 06:14:27 PM
For the double elimination round in the ASC tournament seeding is determined by the highest remaining seeds that won in the first round. So if both #1 seeds advance they will play the lower seed. In this case if UTT and Tex Lu both win the first round UTT would play the lowest seeded remaining team since it is the host school.

Got it. So UTT would be the quasi top overall seed.

And I know this is relatively minor, but say both #2 seeds make it along with both #1's. I imagine UTT would play CTX. But there are a few possible reasons I can come up with to support that. First, to maintain a cross-division 1 vs 2, as opposed to playing a same-division Louisiana team. Or second because CTX had a worse conference record and thus would be the "lower seed." Or third, that since the East is hosting, all east teams are seeded higher than their west counterparts. Any of these the real reason, or am I wrong entirely?

Also, if UTT were to lose and both TLU and Louisiana win- Louisiana would host. But would they also get to play the lowest remaining seed (in this case it would be Hardin Simmons), or would TLU get to?

This conference tournament is a lot to try and wrap my head around... thanks in advance for your patience!

OH and for the heck of it, my completely uneducated, unsolicited predictions:
UTT over Hardin Simmons in 2
TLU over East Texas Baptist in 2
Louisiana over Mary Hardin Baylor in 2
Concordia over UT Dallas in 3

And Louisiana is my dark horse to win it all...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 25, 2013, 08:13:15 PM
Here is the link to the brackets as published by the ASC

http://www.ascsports.org/documents/2013/4/21/ASCbaseballchamp13_bracket.pdf

The pairings are already set for the second round who plays who is determined by the firts round winners. Assumptions that the top 2 seeds was factored into that initial pairing.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Teddy_Ballgame on April 25, 2013, 08:24:21 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on April 25, 2013, 08:13:15 PM
Here is the link to the brackets as published by the ASC

http://www.ascsports.org/documents/2013/4/21/ASCbaseballchamp13_bracket.pdf

The pairings are already set for the second round who plays who is determined by the firts round winners. Assumptions that the top 2 seeds was factored into that initial pairing.

I see! Well that takes the fun out of it! Much appreciated, though, and if I had Karma to give I certainly would throw it your way.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 26, 2013, 04:59:30 PM
Texas Lutheran just won the 1st game of the ASC tournament against ETBU 3-0.

Jeff Spillane throws a complete game, 4 hits, 10 K's.

The other ASC games kick off tonight at 6:00pm.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 26, 2013, 05:05:39 PM
Great playoff  baseball! 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 26, 2013, 10:08:17 PM
Concordia wins 1-0 in a pitchers duel to go up 1-0.

UTT was wining 10-0 in the 7th.

Texas BB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 26, 2013, 10:17:32 PM
Louisiana College beat UMHB 10-1.

So all of the home teams win their first game.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 26, 2013, 11:13:01 PM
UTT won in a run rule. The game was stopped after 7 with a score of 10-0. Cotten threw a 3 hit shutout.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 27, 2013, 02:43:52 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on April 26, 2013, 04:59:30 PM
Texas Lutheran just won the 1st game of the ASC tournament against ETBU 3-0.

Jeff Spillane throws a complete game, 4 hits, 10 K's.

The other ASC games kick off tonight at 6:00pm.

JSG

In another pitcher's duel TLU's Aaron Aleman tosses 7 innings of 2 hit baseball to combat a solid performance by ETBU's Zach Tampke.

ETBU came within one on an unearned run in the bottom of the 7th, but TLU tacked on an insurance run in the top of the 9th (also unearned) before Sean Kistler shut the door to earn his 13th save of the season.

TLU moves to 32-10 and will face the winner of the Louisiana College/UMHB series in the 2nd round of the ASC tournament. ETBU concludes their season at 19-23.

The remainder of the ASC tournament games get started at 2:00pm CST.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 27, 2013, 04:35:16 PM
UMHB 4 - La College 2 - FINAL and extends the series to a 3rd game.
Chance Ryan threw a gem for the Cru, but leaves them loaded w/ 0 outs in the 9th. VanHoozer in to close: Sac Fly, Ks, 1B, F8. Ball game.

Concordia 5 wins UTD 0 - FINAL Leissner hits a 2-HR off RP Easterling w/ 2 out in top 7th to extend the lead to 3. They add 2 more in the 8th. Ullmann throws a CG, 6H, 5K.

Concordia wins series 2-0 and will face UT Tyler in the first game of the 2nd around of ASC tournament.

UT Tyler 11 - Hardin Simmons 10 FINAL - The Pats overcome a 5-run deficit after the first inning to move on to the 2nd around of the ASC tournament. Hardin Simmons didn't go quietly scoring 2 in the bottom of the 9th to close the gap to one before grounding into a game (and season) ending double play.

JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 27, 2013, 11:02:46 PM
La College came back and won the nightcap 5-3 to advance. All of the home teams won.

For next week at Tyler:

UTT takes on Concordia
Tex Lutheran plays La College

Slight edge to UTT since they are playing at home but only slight.

Shoud be a good tournament! Any of these teams is capable of wining it.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 29, 2013, 10:42:37 PM
Here is an analysis by team. I put emphasis on pitching which I believe will dictate the ultimate winner.

UTT
Starters                                        W-L                 ERA               GS          Innings
Chance Cotton                               8-2                 2.23               12              84.2
Jordan Marah                                7-2                 2.12                11              51
Jack Barkley                                  6-3                5.79               11              60.2
Note: Barkley was hit hard his last 2 starts and Marah has only pitched 1 inning in the last 2 weeks - injury?
Bullpen:                                        Saves             ERA                   App              Innings
Derek Miller           14      2.84                 18          19
Matt Sheppard                      1              2.55                  15                   24.2
Jack Beam          2           1.37                  10                   19.2
Note: UTT uses 2 set up men and Miller as the closer. Strong short inning relief.
Team Fielding % - .978
Team Batting:                              BA               Runs     RBI
            .290          244      224
Overall UTT has best offense and best fielding % of all teams in the tournament

Texas Lutheran
Starters                                        W-L                 ERA               GS          Innings
Aaron Aleman                               9-4                 2.51               13              79
Jeff Spillane                                  8-2                 3.07               13              85
Thomas Harwell                             5-3                4.18                  8            47.1
Kellen McGriff                                4-0                1.35                  5             26.2
Note: McGriff has great stats but has only been used sparingly. The team has relied heavily on its two top starters note innings pitched.

Bullpen:                                        Saves             ERA               App              Innings
Sean Kistler         13        0.00        18          25
Duane Snider                            2.56                  17                 31.2
Conner Capdau                       3.04                  14                 26.2
Note: Kistler may be the best closer in all DIV III

Team Fielding % - .974
Team Batting:                                 BA               Runs     RBI
            .281          233      201
Has the best pitching staff overall

Concordia
Starters                                        W-L                 ERA               GS          Innings
Ryan Ullmann                                6-3                 1.41                 7               70
Scott Weinschenk                          5-5                 5.54               11               50.1
Brighton Clingamann                      3-1                2.06                  7              43.2
Note: Ullmann is their best starter with 7 complete games. Concordia does not have a true closer and uses a variety of pitchers.

Bullpen:                                        Saves             ERA               App              Innings
Austin Rupert          3        2.72        16           56.1
Colin Butschek                             5.64                 12                 30.1
Trey Pledger                       6.52                  13                 19.1
Cody Radley                                                        3.43                  11                 21
Brandon Garwood                                             2.21                    8                 20.1


Team Fielding % - .969
Team Batting:                                 BA               Runs     RBI
            .246          187      161
By far the weakest hitting team of the 4

Louisiana College
Starters                                        W-L                 ERA               GS          Innings
Seth Webster                                10-2               1.61                 12              83.2
Madison Lachney                           6-2                3.82                 13              92
Josh Lang                                        5.5                2.65                  11             88.1
Note: La College relies on its top 3 starters and does not have a bullpen with a closer or anyone that has a lot of innings or appearances.

Bullpen:                                        Saves             ERA               App              Innings
Chris Bridges          1        6.04       13           22.1
Jacob Trahan                             6.05                 10                 19.1

Team Fielding % - .949
Team Batting:                                 BA               Runs     RBI
            .292          232      208
Worst Fielding team of the group and shallowest bullpen
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 29, 2013, 11:22:13 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on April 29, 2013, 10:42:37 PM
Note: McGriff has great stats but has only been used sparingly. The team has relied heavily on its two top starters note innings pitched.

Looking at the schedule, I believe this could be a function of injury. He was a weekend guy last year and opened the season as their #3 in their first series with U of Dallas.

This is what I said about TLU in mid-March: They're really missing Kellen McGriff who was 5-1 on the bump last year, but it may be a blessing in disguise as other guys Snider/Harwell have had to log innings. They play great D, but I just dunno if they can beat anyone if it comes to a slug fest.

I think what makes this tournament so compelling is that any of the 4 teams could easily win their first game. Every team's #1 has good stuff, but none of them are unhittable aces.

Look at the UT Tyler vs. Concordia match-up:
I assume we'll see Cotton (8-2, 2.23 ERA) vs. Ullmann (6-3, 1.41 ERA)

And TLU vs. Louisiana:
Spillane (8-2, 3.07 ERA) vs. Webster (10-2, 1.61 ERA)

On paper, the #2 seeds might have stronger #1 arms and while depth on the bump is important in the tournament format, winning that first game might be more important in a 4 team double elimination. You definitely don't want to be want to be fighting your way out of the loser's bracket with your #4 against another team's weekend guy, knowing you have to beat them 2x.

In that situation, TLU might have a fighter's chance, but I'd have to think La College and CUA would be running low on arms, and potentially Tyler too if Marah is injured.

When teams start running out of pitching - the end of these tournaments often turn into slug fests, which would likely tilt the advantage to the Patriots.

Should be fun to watch!


JSG

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Patriotfan87 on April 29, 2013, 11:29:51 PM
OPP. BATTING AVERAGE           CL     G     AB      H     AVG.
-----------------------------------------------------
1. Kreece Cooper-UMHB........   JR      9  186      35  .188
2. Calvin Campbell-UTD.......    SO     15  202     39  .193
3. Jordan Marah-UTT..........              11  181     36  .199
4. Chance Cotto-UTT..........              12  306     65  .212
5. Clingaman-CTX.............      SR     11  153     33  .216
6. Ullmann-CTX...............       SR     15  245     54  .220
7. Curt Copeland-LETU........    JR      12  303     69  .228
8. Gilbert Barrera-HPU.......     SR     11  188      43  .229
9. Chance Ryan-UMHB..........  SR     13  268      62  .231
10.Webster-LC................      SR      13  333      79  .237


Looks like base hits might be at a premium in the UTT/CTX game
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 30, 2013, 09:15:31 AM
PatriotFan,

Any insight on Marah's condition?  He was pulled  after only 1 inning in the second game against La College 2 weeks ago and did not pitch against Hardin-Simmons. If he is hurt and cannot go this weekend that puts the Patriots in a real bind.

TexasBB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Patriotfan87 on April 30, 2013, 07:55:55 PM
BB,

I'm not sure what is going on, I don't get to attend the Saturday games very often due to my work schedule.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on May 01, 2013, 09:31:43 PM
Quote from: Just_Some_Guy on April 29, 2013, 11:22:13 PM

On paper, the #2 seeds might have stronger #1 arms and while depth on the bump is important in the tournament format, winning that first game might be more important in a 4 team double elimination. You definitely don't want to be want to be fighting your way out of the loser's bracket with your #4 against another team's weekend guy, knowing you have to beat them 2x.
[/quote]

I couldn't agree more. No team has ever lost in the first round and come back to win this tournament and only three times has an if game been needed.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 02, 2013, 02:03:41 PM
QuoteI couldn't agree more. No team has ever lost in the first round and come back to win this tournament and only three times has an if game been needed.

True, but in two of the 3 and if games, the conference champ came up through the loosers bracket and won - Mississippi College in 2003 and UT Tyler in 2009.
;)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Patriotfan87 on May 03, 2013, 06:28:02 PM
LC falls to TLU 4-1 in game one of ASC Tournament. UTT and Concordia coming up at 7.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on May 03, 2013, 06:33:58 PM
[Final]: Texas Lutheran 4 - Louisiana College 1

Bulldog starting pitcher, Jeff Spillane threw 7.2 IP, 7 H, 1 ER, 3 BB, 5 K. He worked out of a couple of jams early and only gave up 2 H from the 3rd on. Sr. closer Sean Kistler came in and recorded the SV. He started the 9th off with a BB & a HBP, but got a backwards K (that can't happen in the playoffs w/ 2 runners on), and induced a double play to end the game.

3B Jennings Boothe was 2-4 w/ 2 RBI for the Bulldogs.

Seth Webster (10-2, 1.61 ERA coming in) was solid on the bump for La College, but the Wildcats did make 3 errors behind him.

Marc Riendeau was 2-4 w/ the lone RBI for the Cats.

Looking forward to CUA vs. UTT tonight.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 03, 2013, 09:30:08 PM
Four unearned runs for UTT in the bottom of the fifth.  The inning started with a 4-pitch walk and then the second batter reached on a throwing error by the pitcher on SAC bunt.  All 4 runs scored after 2 outs.

Now UTT 5-0 over CTX in the top of the 6th.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 03, 2013, 10:31:08 PM
UTT and Tex Lutheran to face off tomorrow. CTX committed 4 errors combined with 5 base on balls killed them tonight.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Patriotfan87 on May 03, 2013, 10:38:28 PM
Possibly the worst ump behind the plate I have seen this year, for both teams.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Patriotfan87 on May 04, 2013, 06:14:05 PM
LC puts away CTX 13-12 in 10 innings
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 04, 2013, 09:05:36 PM
UT Tyler has a commanding lead of 9-1 in the 6th against Texas Lutheran. Marah is pitching for the Patriots and doing a fine job.

TexasBB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 04, 2013, 09:13:33 PM
Marah started but only worked 3 innings and only faced only 14 batters. So he must have suffered an injury in the Louisiana College series and they are being carefull with him. Weber came in relief and worked 3 innings of shutout baseball and is now pitching in the 7th.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 04, 2013, 11:30:12 PM
UTT takes advantage of poor play by the Lutheran pitching staff. Too many walks and hit batters. You give an offense like Tyler's too many opportunities they will hurt you. Surprisingly Texas Luthern's pitching staff fell way short tonight. You have to hand it to the Patriots, they took advantage of unforced mistakes and made the Buldogs pay for it.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 05, 2013, 12:03:27 AM
In the looser bracket final, Texas Lutheran tried using McGriff who has been injured. Louisiana College jumped all over him scoring 5 runs in the first inning and have a big 9-2 lead in the 4th. Looks like an all East Division final tomorrow if this holds.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on May 05, 2013, 10:55:21 AM
They certainly hit McGriff has well as anyone had all year, but it looks like TLU dug themselves in a hole in both the 1st and the 3rd with errors as well. You especially have to be able to get the out when the opposition is trying to SAC. That, and they left 12 runners on base, including quite a few in the last couple of innings. They played uncharacteristically sloppy. La College had the same limitations, but I have to wonder what the implications were of starting the 2nd game of the double header at 9:42pm after sitting around the ball park all day.

I would've liked to the Bulldogs get to the finals because then I think they still had a *very outside* shot at the Pool C bid if they got some help across the country, but as it stands, I think another region will ship at least one team to Austin. Unless of course, La College takes 2 from UTT today.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 05, 2013, 05:15:02 PM
Patriots win the title with a 10-4 win over Louisiana College. They get the ASC Pool A spot in the regionals.

It remains to be seen if Texas Lutheran will get a Pool C bid.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on September 18, 2013, 01:58:05 PM
UT Dallas has a new assistant. Sean West has been an Assistant in the NCAC for several years prior and does a good job. He is well connected in the Summer Collegiate leagues. As GM of the Licking County Settlers in the Great Lakers League, he had no problem bringing in D3 talent. The Settlers won the Great Lakes league the last two years. The Settlers regularly started a D# player in Out filed and first during the run, and had two D3 pitchers as regulars in the rotation. A D3 player started the first game of the championship this year.  I have a feeling we will see several UT Dallas players in Newark Ohio next spring.

He is a good pick up for the Comets.
http://cometsports.utdallas.edu/news/2013/8/20/BSB_0820131436.aspx?path=baseball
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on February 24, 2014, 01:20:57 PM
ASC started this week and the pre-season pick UTT is in trouble. Sul Ross State took 2 out of 3 from the Patriots at UTT who surrendered runs by the boat load (31 runs in 3 games). The pitching staff is weak with only one starter Beam, that they can count on and even he is not stellar.  The offense is very average. This is the worst start for a Patriots team since they introduced baseball in 2004. They have now dropped 6 of their first 9 games. Not going to be their year.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 108 Stitches on February 24, 2014, 02:44:28 PM
They did not look like a top 20 team when I saw them play TU, but I just thought it was those god awful Astros style jerseys.  :-[
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2014, 09:50:39 PM
Quote from: Bishopleftiesdad on September 18, 2013, 01:58:05 PM
UT Dallas has a new assistant. Sean West has been an Assistant in the NCAC for several years prior and does a good job. He is well connected in the Summer Collegiate leagues. As GM of the Licking County Settlers in the Great Lakers League, he had no problem bringing in D3 talent. The Settlers won the Great Lakes league the last two years. The Settlers regularly started a D# player in Out filed and first during the run, and had two D3 pitchers as regulars in the rotation. A D3 player started the first game of the championship this year.  I have a feeling we will see several UT Dallas players in Newark Ohio next spring.

He is a good pick up for the Comets.
http://cometsports.utdallas.edu/news/2013/8/20/BSB_0820131436.aspx?path=baseball
That should help UTD in recruiting.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BamColt on February 27, 2014, 09:13:32 PM
Concordia has looked pretty good early. Saw them in action over the weekend. Boggs has brought some guys in that  can play.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on February 28, 2014, 08:54:04 AM
I have heard the same thing. CTX may be the early frontrunner and team to beat this year. The question is how all the teams hold up playing 33 conference games this year.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 18, 2014, 12:08:04 PM
The game in Austin between CTX and Trinity next Tuesday should be a barnburner, and today's game in SA between UMHB and Trinity should also be a good one.   I'm going to try to go to the one next week.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 12, 2014, 04:24:07 PM
Top of the 9th for HPU; cleanup hitter gets a single; pinch runner gets moved to second on a SAB Bunt and then scores on a single up the middle!

Final HPU 1, CTX 0.

That is the thing about the ASC. Everybody has a strong #1 pitcher!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on April 17, 2014, 11:32:29 PM
Concordia didn't help themselves today by dropping a 4-1 game to Tyler.  Tyler pitching held Concordia to 1 hit.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bzzboyz on April 18, 2014, 11:51:24 PM
How many teams from the ASC go to the conference tournament? I heard 8 but wasn't sure. It's a tight bunched up mess in the standings right now for sure.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 19, 2014, 04:43:18 PM
UTT completed a sweep of Concordia with 1-0 and 3-2 wins in todays double header. UTT had lost 7 straight going into this 3 game set. The team rose to the occasion as the pitching staff which has been less than stellar was that this weekend. This probably knocks Concordia out of any consideration for a regional spot short of winning the conference.

TexasBB
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 19, 2014, 05:08:59 PM
Quote from: bzzboyz on April 18, 2014, 11:51:24 PM
How many teams from the ASC go to the conference tournament? I heard 8 but wasn't sure. It's a tight bunched up mess in the standings right now for sure.

From the championship section of the ASC website:

BASEBALL

2014 Championship Tournament

Championship Round: May 7-10 (May 11 if needed/weather)
Format: Double-Elimination
Participants: No. 1-8 seeds after regular season play
Site: Austin, Texas (Hosted by Concordia Texas)
Winner: NCAA Div. III Championship automatic berth
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 04, 2014, 06:26:01 PM
I am interested to see how the ASC Pool A perfoms on the Regional. UTT finished 14-19 and tied with HSU.  (Mississippi College is ineligible at 18-15.)  The bottom 4 teams are #5 seed 16-17, #6 seed 15-18, #7 seed 15-18 and #8 seed 14-19 and in a tie with a 14-19. The next team is 13-20.  ETBU lost 2 of 3 at HSU. If they had beaten HSU, then ETBU would have made the tourney by virture of sweeping UTT.

The 8-team tourney will expose pitching staff weaknesses.

CTX is 22-10. LeTourneau is 22-11. Let's see how strong the ASC Pool A is.  I think that the ASC has stronger breadth and depth than most of the country believes.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BamColt on May 06, 2014, 04:42:33 PM
The conference overall was a lot stronger than years past. Should get better with McMurry coming back and splitting the East and West again.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 108 Stitches on May 07, 2014, 09:15:33 AM
Wednesday, May 7                                                                                    Prediction
Game 1: #4 Mary Hardin-Baylor vs. #5 Howard Payne, 10:00 a.m.          UMHB
Box Score | Recap | Photos | Interview

Game 2: #1 Concordia Texas vs. #8 Texas-Tyler, 1:00 p.m.                      CTX
Box Score | Recap | Photos | Interview

Game 3: #3 Texas-Dallas vs. #6 Sul Ross State, 4:00 p.m.                        T-D
Box Score | Recap | Photos | Interview

Game 4: #2 LeTourneau vs. #7 Louisiana College, 7:00 p.m.                    LeTu

Looks like a full day of baseball in Austin!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 07, 2014, 09:46:29 AM
I like the 8-team format for the sake of finding pitching depth.

The 2-weekend series had its benefits for local fans!  That always brings excitement to the local campuses.

If/when the conference decides to go back to the 2-division format, I hope that they revert to the 2 weekend format.

(McMurry has commitments to the Heartland for 2104-15).
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 07, 2014, 12:56:49 PM
Quote from: BamColt on May 06, 2014, 04:42:33 PM
The conference overall was a lot stronger than years past. Should get better with McMurry coming back and splitting the East and West again.

This could be subject to a debate. I dont think I have ever seen a UT Tyler or Hardin Simmons team this bad.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 07, 2014, 01:00:32 PM
Quote from: 108 Stitches on May 07, 2014, 09:15:33 AM
Wednesday, May 7                                                                                    Prediction
Game 1: #4 Mary Hardin-Baylor vs. #5 Howard Payne, 10:00 a.m.          UMHB
Box Score | Recap | Photos | Interview

Game 2: #1 Concordia Texas vs. #8 Texas-Tyler, 1:00 p.m.                      CTX
Box Score | Recap | Photos | Interview

Game 3: #3 Texas-Dallas vs. #6 Sul Ross State, 4:00 p.m.                        T-D
Box Score | Recap | Photos | Interview

Game 4: #2 LeTourneau vs. #7 Louisiana College, 7:00 p.m.                    LeTu

Looks like a full day of baseball in Austin!

I agree with your predictions...although my Cru are struggling defensively to get started.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BamColt on May 07, 2014, 02:11:21 PM
Overall, the conference isn't as top heavy as years past.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 108 Stitches on May 07, 2014, 02:24:15 PM
From what I have seen, CTX while solid, is not as good as the team from two years ago. UMHB was solid competitive baseball team, not regional quality but good, UTT was a disappointment.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 07, 2014, 02:35:36 PM
Quote from: BamColt on May 07, 2014, 02:11:21 PM
Overall, the conference isn't as top heavy as years past.

Ill agree to that.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 08, 2014, 12:26:07 AM
Higher seeds held but the only blowout was #2 LeTU 14, #7 LaCollege 4 (8 innings).
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 08, 2014, 10:20:21 AM
Some good games yesterday. My predictions for today:

CTX vs UMHB:                         UMHB in the upset (I cant pick against the CRU can I? UMHB plays error free baseball and wins a tight one)
UTD vs LeTourneau:               Letourneau (Whitley or Jenkins on the bump for LET yielded no runs during regular season for UTD)
HPU vs UTT                             UTT
SRSU vs Louisiana                  SRSU
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 08, 2014, 01:23:06 PM
HPU 3, UTT 2,  Final
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 08, 2014, 01:46:30 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 08, 2014, 01:23:06 PM
HPU 3, UTT 2,  Final

Started off 0-1 today....hopefully not an indicator for whats to come.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 08, 2014, 04:45:04 PM
Quote from: dp643 on May 08, 2014, 01:46:30 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 08, 2014, 01:23:06 PM
HPU 3, UTT 2,  Final

Started off 0-1 today....hopefully not an indicator for whats to come.

At least Sully is standing up for you ... up 7-3 in the bottom of the 7th as LC has but two hits on the day.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 108 Stitches on May 09, 2014, 10:39:27 AM
Games for Today:

Friday, May 9
Game 9: Sul Ross State vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 10:00 a.m.    Loser Bracket

Game 10: Texas-Dallas vs. Howard Payne, 1:00 p.m.             Loser Bracket

Game 11: Concordia Texas vs. LeTourneau, 4:00 p.m.           Winner Bracket

Game 12: Winner Game 10 vs. Winner Game 9, 7:00 p.m.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Colorado on May 09, 2014, 11:26:19 AM
Quote from: 108 Stitches on May 09, 2014, 10:39:27 AM
Games for Today:

Friday, May 9
Game 9: Sul Ross State vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 10:00 a.m.    Loser Bracket

Game 10: Texas-Dallas vs. Howard Payne, 1:00 p.m.             Loser Bracket

Game 11: Concordia Texas vs. LeTourneau, 4:00 p.m.           Winner Bracket

Game 12: Winner Game 10 vs. Winner Game 9, 7:00 p.m.


Who are the probable starters in Game 11?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 09, 2014, 03:28:13 PM
Sad to see UMHB season over with, but there was alot to build on for next year. Very young team with some outstanding performances this year. A couple of more arms to go with some better defensive play next year should result in a ton of wins. This years team only had 3 seniors (C, SP, and one RP).
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 108 Stitches on May 09, 2014, 07:31:11 PM
Upset in process Letu up 6-2 over CTX bottom 8.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BamColt on May 12, 2014, 10:03:03 AM
Team in Texas gets the shaft again, unfortunate the majority of D3 programs are in the northern region.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 108 Stitches on May 12, 2014, 11:12:28 AM
IMO the team in Texas did not get the shaft, they did not play enough quality opponents and lost their tournament on their home field. They have no one else to blame but themselves. Hope they apply for next years regional!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bzzboyz on May 12, 2014, 12:10:41 PM
Quote from: 108 Stitches on May 12, 2014, 11:12:28 AM
IMO the team in Texas did not get the shaft, they did not play enough quality opponents and lost their tournament on their home field. They have no one else to blame but themselves. Hope they apply for next years regional!

I agree 100%. Not to mention they lost way to many games to teams they had no business losing to.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on May 12, 2014, 12:14:48 PM
Quote from: BamColt on May 12, 2014, 10:03:03 AM
Team in Texas gets the shaft again, unfortunate the majority of D3 programs are in the northern region.

If anyone got the shaft it's George Fox.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 12, 2014, 12:18:46 PM
Quote from: 108 Stitches on May 12, 2014, 11:12:28 AM
IMO the team in Texas did not get the shaft, they did not play enough quality opponents and lost their tournament on their home field. They have no one else to blame but themselves. Hope they apply for next years regional!

I agree to a point, but I also think it's pretty bogus for ANY conference to get four teams in.     And yes, I'd agree with Jack that it should have been GF that got a bid if another was given.

Still would like to know why CTX didn't start Cox yesterday instead of throwing him a couple of innings Saturday and bringing in someone lacking experience in big games (or even starting at all) on Sunday.   Even at that they could have won had they not booted the ball around the first half of the game.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on May 12, 2014, 12:30:16 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 12, 2014, 12:14:48 PM
Quote from: BamColt on May 12, 2014, 10:03:03 AM
Team in Texas gets the shaft again, unfortunate the majority of D3 programs are in the northern region.

If anyone got the shaft it's George Fox.
Every year it is someone. So the fix to this problem is win your Pool A conference bid, otherwise plan on staying home. Too much magic, smoke and mirrors with picking Pool B/C bids IMO.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 12, 2014, 01:52:52 PM
ASC as a whole was down this year. They did not have any standout teams. Some good teams but not outstanding. The close games in the tournament were telling. CTX was swept by UTT this year and UTT would not have even made the ASC tournament if Mississippi college wasn't ineligible to participate because of their D-II commitment. So the fact that CTX does not get a regional bid should not surprise anyone.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BamColt on May 12, 2014, 03:22:45 PM
31 wins, a win over Trinity who should be ranked in the top 5, and 2 wins against LU is a solid resume if you ask me, it's not like Concordia went 0-2 in the conference tourney either.
To say the ASC is down is a reach, from top to bottom is was better conference and not as top heavy as we have seen in years past.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 12, 2014, 05:36:27 PM
IMO the conference was not better this year. It consinsted in large of a group of mostly mediocre teams. Don't confuse balance with better.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 12, 2014, 10:48:47 PM
Quote from: BamColt on May 12, 2014, 03:22:45 PM
31 wins, a win over Trinity who should be ranked in the top 5, and 2 wins against LU is a solid resume if you ask me, it's not like Concordia went 0-2 in the conference tourney either.
To say the ASC is down is a reach, from top to bottom is was better conference and not as top heavy as we have seen in years past.
Please understand.  The conference is a very good conference.

Out 360 teams playing D3 ball, we probably have 7 teams in the top 120, and all teams in the top 150!

But, the Pool C bids this year had lots of team with upsets in the conference tourneys.  There are only 14 Pool C bids. CTX was not one of the best 14 teams that did not earn an AQ

Playing 33 conference games was easy on the budgets for most of the teams, but you must play someone out of Texas/Louisiana/Arkansas/Mississipp to boost the Strength of Schedule.  You gotta play 4-5 games in Arizona or Florida!

Not disparaging the effort, I will be ecstatic is LeTU goes wins one game!  That will be a remarkable showing for the breadth of the strength of the conference.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 13, 2014, 10:07:35 AM
Just because the conference isnt as "top heavy" doesnt make the conference better. Most who have followed the conference for years will agree the conference as a whole was probably weaker this year.

CTX has no one to blame but themselves after being swept by UT Tyler and losing 2 of 3 to Mississippi College and then losing 2 at home to LeTourneau.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on May 13, 2014, 11:22:38 AM
Quote from: dp643 on May 13, 2014, 10:07:35 AM
Just because the conference isnt as "top heavy" doesnt make the conference better. Most who have followed the conference for years will agree the conference as a whole was probably weaker this year.

CTX has no one to blame but themselves after being swept by UT Tyler and losing 2 of 3 to Mississippi College and then losing 2 at home to LeTourneau.
Win the games on the field or you get to stay home. Pool A bid is the only way. Too much magic in getting Pool C bids. 2 30 win teams stay home in the West
Chapman and CTX. Anti West regional bias IMO.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 13, 2014, 02:05:17 PM
Being lost in all of this discussion is the accomplishment of LeTourneau. That school has really struggled in Baseball and were cellar dwellers in the ASC East going back 10 years. This was a great accomplishment for them and I sure hope they surprise everyone in the West Regional!!

;)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on May 13, 2014, 02:23:41 PM
I agree about LeTourneau. I think they may have enough swag to knock off linfield.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 108 Stitches on May 13, 2014, 04:01:23 PM
First a HUGE congratulations to LeTourneau, the players, and the coaches deserve a big round of applause for turning the program around this season.

I sincerely hope Linfield is looking past them and they surprise the DIII baseball world and send Linfield to the loser bracket. There will be 4 other teams and a lot of fans routing them on.  Everybody loves an underdog!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BamColt on May 14, 2014, 09:49:36 PM
Mediocre, you attended how many games?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 15, 2014, 11:17:57 AM
Bam,

I have been a big UTT Tyler fan and have attended some, but not all of their games this year. I did see them play CTX in Tyler. UTT has a mediocre team and they swept the double header I was at.

UTT had a few seasons where they won over 30 games and did not make the regionals. I recall a few years ago Ozarks had a great season and won over 30 games and got passed over. If a team looses games they are supposed to win and the conference as a whole is not considered real strong, then an at large bid  is problematic. CTX had a good team but they have had stronger teams in the past IMO. This is all subjective if you don't win your conference. Those that made the decision as to at large bids chose a team not even in the West Regional.  Not only was the ASC passed over but all of the other conferences in the Region got dished as well since they are flying in a team from outside of the region this year.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 02, 2014, 11:00:59 AM
A shout-out to former TLU player Daren Willman who has created some interesting baseball websites.

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/astros/article/Techie-s-website-hits-cool-factor-out-of-the-5587377.php
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on February 16, 2015, 01:38:02 PM
Does anyone know the number of Scholarship players left on McMurry's Roster? I am just curious. I see that they are competing in the NCCAA as well. Have they always been a member or are they a recent addition?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2015, 10:26:38 PM
McMurry has competed at the NCCAA while in the "never-land" between D-3 and D2 and now back.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on February 22, 2015, 11:22:18 PM
Ralph,
I never really understood why they left the ASC. In hindsight it seems like it was a mistake.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 08, 2015, 04:08:12 PM
It is early but it looks like Concordia and UT Tyler are putting some wins together and emerging as the front runners.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 08, 2015, 08:19:15 PM
McMurry had a no-no on Saturday against DeSales.

http://www.mcmurrysports.com/news/2015/3/7/BSB_0307153221.aspx
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 16, 2015, 10:47:12 AM
Concordia and UTT continue to win, with both teams sweeping their conference opponents this past weekend.
Concordia swept Hardin Simmons and UTT swept Louisiana College

Concordia is 10-1 in conference and 15-4 overall.
UTT is 10-2 in conference and 13-5 overall.

The rest of the conference teams are way behind but many teams have not played many conference opponents thus far. East Texas Baptist has only played 3 conference games and LeTourneau and Hardin Simmons only 5. The weather in later February and early March has caused postponements.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 23, 2015, 11:20:02 PM
UTT did not help their cause today dropping a double header to UTD 1-0 and 2-1.  When you can only score 1 run in a DH you had a bad day! :P
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BamColt on March 24, 2015, 11:16:12 AM
Went to the TLU Trinity game last night, TLU and both Trinity hit the ball well but the pitching was not what it has been in the past, especially for Trinity.

Trinity gave up a large number of runs in this 3 game series. TLU is not any world beaters this year by any means.
Still a great rivalry to watch. Glad I could catch some baseball last night :)

This should help Concordia in the Regional rankings.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 04, 2015, 06:24:10 PM
CTX played a non-conference pair of games with Trinity this weekend splitting them. UTT swept East Texas Baptist in Marshall. CTX is 15-2  in the ASC and 21-6 overall. UTT is 16-5 and 21-8 overall.  Those two teams lead the ASC and will face off in a couple of weeks in Austin. If things hold until then, CTX will only have to win one game to clinch the regular season championship. UTT hurt its chances when it was swept in Dallas. Since then they have won 7 in a row. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on April 13, 2015, 06:13:28 PM
Ut-texas Tyler is going to be the new home of the Pump Jacks, of the Texas Colliegiate League
https://ballparkbiz.wordpress.com/2015/04/13/pump-jacks-relocate-to-tyler/
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 13, 2015, 11:44:19 PM
Nice, thanks for the info!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 18, 2015, 10:49:12 AM
UTT defeated CTX in a 16 inning marathon yesterday 8-6 at Tornado stadium. CTX had built a 5-2 lead but Tyler came back and took the lead into the bottom of the 9 6-5. CTX tied it, sending the game into extra innings. UTT finally broke through scoring 2 in the top of the 16th and held on for the win.

A double header will be played today as both teams have depleated pitching staffs.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 18, 2015, 11:56:24 AM
In the game a total of 13 ptchers were used combining for a record 46 strike outs. Buddy McCoy from UTT hit his 10th HR of the season.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BamColt on April 20, 2015, 12:45:22 PM
CTX has to take the roadtrip to wrap up another conference championship. This is not the usual Sul Ross St team with nothing to lose.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 20, 2015, 02:58:31 PM
If CTX can win 2 out of 3 from Sul Ross State they win the regular season championship and top seed in the conference tournament. UTT can only win by sweeping Howard Payne and have Sul Ross win at least two from CTX. UTT holds the tie breaker since they took 2 out of three from CTX last weekend.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 26, 2015, 08:45:03 PM
UTD swept McMurry today. UTD has finished a strong third place and is a real threat in the Conference tournament. They swept UTT and finished 1-2 against CTX earlier in the season. They have played up and down but when they are on, they are as good as anybody in the conference. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 02, 2015, 10:51:03 PM
2015 ASC tournament pairings

From the ASC website:
RICHARDSON, Texas – Texas-Tyler posted a 24-6 record against league opponents to clinch the regular season title and No. 1 seed in the 2015 ASC Baseball Championship Tournament, May 6-9, at Tornado Field in Austin, Texas. The bracket for the eight-team double-elimination ASC Championship was announced Saturday (May 2) following completion of conference play.
 
No. 1 seed Texas-Tyler (24-6) will face No. 8 seed Howard Payne (10-19) in game four at 7:00 p.m. Texas-Tyler has won three ASC crowns, makes its eighth consecutive tournament appearance and holds a 21-11 mark in the conference championship. Howard Payne makes its second straight tournament appearance and fourth overall. The Jackets are 5-6 in tournament play.
 
No. 2 seed Concordia Texas (23-6), the tournament host, will take on No. 7 Hardin-Simmons (9-17) in game two at 2:00 p.m. Concordia Texas makes its fifth consecutive trip to the tournament and 11th overall. The Tornados are 25-17 in tournament play and have won three ASC titles, including consecutive crowns in 2011 and 2012. Hardin-Simmons makes its league-leading 13th tournament appearance and is 17-26 in the conference championship.
 
The game one matchup will feature No. 3 seed Texas Dallas (19-8) against No. 6 seed East Texas Baptist (10-17). Texas Dallas holds the league's longest current streak for consecutive tournament appearances with seven, and is 24-24 in tournament play. After a one year absence, East Texas Baptist makes its fifth tournament appearance and holds a 3-7 record in tournament competition.
 
No. 4 seed LeTourneau (15-11), the defending champion, will face No. 5 seed Mary Hardin-Baylor (16-14). LeTourneau makes its second consecutive tournament appearance and is 5-1 tournament play. Mary Hardin-Baylor makes its third straight tournament appearance and seventh overall and holds a 3-12 mark in tournament competition.
 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SoCalSoxFan on May 02, 2015, 11:40:52 PM
If Concordia doesn't win the tourney, Does Concordia's loss to MHB impact their Pool C chances? 
Or are their results strong enough that as long as they perform well in tourney, they can withstand a second place in ASC
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 03, 2015, 09:24:07 AM
I think if CTX and UTT make through and play each other for the championship then they both go to the regional. If either falls early - say 2 and out, they are out. That is just speculation on my part. The dark horse is UTD. If CTX wins, as they should in the first round, they will likely face a good UTD team in the second round. So they have to decide when to use their best pitcher. Use him in game one or save him for UTD.

It is not beyond reason that UTD wins the conference championship. If that happens then one of the two, and possible both CTX and UTT stay home. I believe UTT will make it if they go at least 2-2. That would give them a 32-12 overall and 31-11 against NCAA III west teams. If CTX does not win it they need to finish second to have a chance. Again all speculation.


Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 04, 2015, 09:12:54 AM
PLU and Linfield both will be competing with the ASC runner-up for Pool C bids after the events of the weekend, making it even more important for both UTT and CTX to make it to the championship round. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 04, 2015, 10:50:59 PM
Will the UTT schedule work for or against them? UTT finished its regular season the last week of April and did not play this past weekend. The tournament starts on Weds. Their pitching staff got the weekend off, so that may be a benefit as CTX had to use their staff in a 3 game series against UMHB. On the other hand the hitters did not face competitive pitching. (They may have done some scrimmaging over the weekend but that is not the same as game competition.)  We shall see if that helps or hinders them.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SoCalSoxFan on May 05, 2015, 01:55:42 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 04, 2015, 09:12:54 AM
PLU and Linfield both will be competing with the ASC runner-up for Pool C bids after the events of the weekend, making it even more important for both UTT and CTX to make it to the championship round.

Will PLU's recent   3-3 record
and
Linfields   3-4 record

affect their Pool C bid?   

Or have the built up enough rankings/strength that it will be seen as an aberration. 
Hopefully both get in, which means one gets sent out of region.

Would be great for West to have 7 entries this year
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tony_baldwin on May 05, 2015, 09:45:28 AM
ASC Tournament starts Wednesday in Austin. Live video is available for all games and is free.

Here's the tournament central page: http://athletics.concordia.edu/ascbaseball
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 05, 2015, 11:32:21 PM
Rain is in the forecast every day through the weekend.  :o
This will make it hard to get the tournament in. We have had nothing but drought now we get monsoon type rain this spring!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: General Swamp on May 06, 2015, 12:18:01 AM
It would be tough to hang PLU on the few recent losses.  Two were against Whitworth in the league tournament, who pitched amazingly that weekend...including a no-hitter vs. Linfield). One was against cross town rivals, UPS.  PLU beat them 5 out of 6 times, and were coming of a second walk off win against Linfield (whom they went 4-1 against this year).... Not to take anything away from the UPS win, as the Loggers  played well, and the starting pitcher went the distance (157 pitches).  In 2009, they tied for the conference championship, lost a one game playoff to George Fox, and were left behind.  Linfield has also had a strong season, including  strong non-conference schedule.  Both PLU and Linfield have wins against La Verne.  Be interesting to see what happens.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tony_baldwin on May 06, 2015, 09:25:01 AM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 05, 2015, 11:32:21 PM
Rain is in the forecast every day through the weekend.  :o
This will make it hard to get the tournament in. We have had nothing but drought now we get monsoon type rain this spring!

No worries. Turf field = all games a go today.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 06, 2015, 09:56:28 AM
Good thing, too, because the area around CTX saw 3+ inches of rain overnight.

The forecast is for pretty scattered showers until the weekend (when it turns into a 50-50 proposition but again intermittent), so with any luck they can pitch around the rain ;-)

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 06, 2015, 04:19:35 PM
#6 ETBU 8, #3 UT-Dallas 7.
#2 CTX leads #7 HSU 3-1 after 3 1/2 (CTX to bat)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tony_baldwin on May 06, 2015, 07:07:24 PM
CTX held off Hardin-Simmons 6-5.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 108 Stitches on May 06, 2015, 07:23:42 PM
Some fun already in the ASC tournament:

The #6 seed ETBU beat the #3 seed Tex Dallas 8-7 in 10 innings.

Concordia was down 5-3 in the 6th and came back and scored 3 in the 7th and held on for the win.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 07, 2015, 09:35:14 AM
UTT took care of business winning 9-0 against Howard Payne. Little used pitcher, Mike Blevins (only 13.1 innings on the season) threw a complete game shutout with 12 Ks. Buddy McCoy had 2 home runs (12 now for the season) to lead the Patriot offense.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BamColt on May 07, 2015, 10:26:22 AM
Connor Bertsch, most likely the player of the year in the ASC hit a mammoth shot over the centerfield wall late in the game to secure the lead. Pope did not look his best, have to give credit to Hardin Simmons for playing well.

More baseball today :)  Weather here is cloudy and yes rain will be scattered. We need it.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 07, 2015, 01:49:39 PM
#3 UT-D over #7 HSU, 13-5.   HSU eliminated.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 108 Stitches on May 07, 2015, 02:10:50 PM
It is going to be interesting to see how UT-D does as a number 3 seed coming back through the losers bracket, that is a long slug after a first game loss. This has to help both CTX and UTT's prospects.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 07, 2015, 02:39:07 PM
Quote from: 108 Stitches on May 07, 2015, 02:10:50 PM
It is going to be interesting to see how UT-D does as a number 3 seed coming back through the losers bracket, that is a long slug after a first game loss. This has to help both CTX and UTT's prospects.
Especially if both CTX and UTT go to Game #15!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 09, 2015, 12:01:52 AM
UT-Tyler's Nelson gets a two-out HR in the top of the ninth knocking in 3 runs to pave their way to the championship round, 6-5 over CTX. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 09, 2015, 03:53:00 PM
UTD leads CTX 5-3 after six. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 09, 2015, 04:21:31 PM
CTX takes a 7-5 lead after seven. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 09, 2015, 05:06:01 PM
UTD gets two in the top of the eighth, two more in the top of the ninth, CTX needs to score two in the bottom half to send it to extras, three to win, with the top of the order at bat.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 09, 2015, 05:17:08 PM
CTX has it going in the bottom of the ninth but with one out and a run scoring, Connor Bertsch tries to stretch a double into a triple and is thrown out.   The next batter gets a double, which would have scored the tying run had Bertsch not been thrown out, but the next batter flies out harmlessly and it ends a 9-8 UTD win.   

John Quisenberry, he of the 8+ ERA, picks up with win with 2 1/3 innings of relief, allowing 1 run and scattering 5 hits.   Justin Traxler gets the loss.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 10, 2015, 05:01:01 AM
UTT wins with another comeback against a strong UTD team. As I suspected UTD was going to be a factor in this tournament. The fact that they fought all the way back to the finals after loosing in the first game is a testament to their overall team strengrh. CTX showed some weakness in pithing depth and it cost them. UTT was not going to be denied and fought back from large deficits against both UTD and CTX. Overall a very good tournamnent.


Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BamColt on May 11, 2015, 04:04:34 PM
RICHARDSON, Texas – Concordia University Texas senior Cameron Cox and junior Connor Bertsch collected the American Southwest Conference's top individual awards, the league office announced on Monday. Cox was named the Pitcher of the Year, while Bertsch was tabbed the Player of the Year.

Congrats to both, well deserved.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BamColt on May 21, 2015, 12:04:05 PM
AUSTIN, Texas - Concordia University Texas junior Connor Bertsch and senior Cameron Cox both earned D3baseball.com All-America honors on Wednesday. Bertsch was named to the first team, while Cox garnered second-team laurels.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2015, 01:46:01 PM
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Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 06, 2016, 08:24:02 AM
Going to be an interesting spring if El Niño continues to bring rain in to the WC and TX ...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 31, 2016, 01:51:05 PM
http://d3baseball.com/notables/2016/01/dallas-sul-ross-split-on_opening_day

They played 2!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Westside on March 01, 2016, 11:10:27 PM
Am I reading it correctly that First Team All-American Connor Bertsch is hitting .042 (1 for 24) to start the year? One hit in 9 games is extremely surprising... for anyone, let alone an All-American. Anyone know what's going on there?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: infielddad on March 01, 2016, 11:29:51 PM
Don't know anything about him but an educated guess would be injury or putting too much pressure on himself.
From experience, the latter can be just as tough as the former other than being time limited, usually.  While not quite those numbers, I am pretty close to a former Texas player who scuffled through the first 5-6 games of the season, went on a 40 plus game hitting streak and was hitting over .500 by mid-season.  An injury usually won't allow that type of breakout, though.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 08, 2016, 05:35:35 PM
Big series this weekend as UTT travels south to play 3 at CTX.  This series should tell us a lot about both teams who are traditional ASC powers.
UTT has played most of its games at home this year. So how will they perform on the road against tough competition. How good is CTX this year?
They have been just average so far but winning the series will be really big for them.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 12, 2016, 11:31:53 PM
UTT and CTX split the double header.

CTX dominated the 7 inning short first game 6-1.

In game 2 UTT carried a 7-2 lead going into the bottom of the 9th and held on to win 7-5

Fridays game was postponed because of rain. They will make that up on Sunday.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 30, 2016, 06:48:24 PM
Congratulations to McMurry. They had a very young team this season.

They have competed in the NCCAA during the re-classification. To compete in the post-season regional tourney for the NCCAA, the season record must be .500.

With the 3-game sweep of Ozarks this weekend, the War Hawks finish at 20-20!

Nice job!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 02, 2016, 04:28:47 PM
How things change .. Mr. Bertsch now batting .301 so must have been on a tear since early in the season when he was batting under a buck for CTX, who have clinched the #1 seed in the ASC tourney that starts this weekend and ends the next:

1.  CTX 27-13 / 19-5 ASC
2.  ETBU 28-12 / 18-6
3.  HSU 25-15 / 17-7
4.  UT-T 25-15 / 15-9
5.  LeTu 15-20 / 11-13
6.  SRSU 18-22 / 11-13
7.  HPU 19-19 / 9-12
8.  UT-D 21-18 / 10-14

Brackets are here (//http://).
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Westside on May 02, 2016, 04:42:15 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 02, 2016, 04:28:47 PM
How things change .. Mr. Bertsch now batting .301 so must have been on a tear since early in the season when he was batting under a buck for CTX, who have clinched the #1 seed in the ASC tourney that starts this weekend and ends the next:

Very true. Looks like he is hitting .512 in his last 13 games. Raised his average from .189 to .301 Also has He also has eight of 11 extra base hits during that stretch.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 108 Stitches on May 02, 2016, 06:14:16 PM
CTX has been quietly going about their business and putting them in position to win the ASC. Seems like UTT was headed in the other direction after a good start.  Should be an interesting playoff.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 05, 2016, 04:52:20 PM
After loosing 4 in a row UTT came back to win 5 of their last 6 games, including sweeping Sul Ross State in Alpine.  The team has been inconsistent, so CTX will be the favorite to win this weekend. However, if the pitching and defense hold, they could pull out the upset. The winner of this bracket should prevail in the best of 3 next week.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on May 07, 2016, 08:21:21 AM
ASC Tournament: Day 1

Red Bracket
ETBU 8 vs. Howard Payne 6
Hardin Simmons 8 vs. Sul Ross 6

Blue Bracket
Concordia 2 vs. UTD 0
Tyler 8 vs. LeTourneau 4

All of the top seeds prevailed.

The winners of today's winner's brackets games will be in the driver's seats.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 07, 2016, 08:12:11 PM
UTT beat CTX 4-3 on a 9th inning HR by Braxton Hollenshead.  UTT had built a 3-0 lead by CTX tied it two runs in the bottom of the 8th. Reese Read worked 1.2 hitless innings in relief to get the win.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 08, 2016, 12:20:10 AM
And in the nightcap, UTD beat CTX 12-8 and will play UTT for the Blue championship tomorrow.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on May 08, 2016, 01:23:02 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 08, 2016, 12:20:10 AM
And in the nightcap, UTD beat CTX 12-8 and will play UTT for the Blue championship tomorrow.

I have a feeling that just knocked CTX out of Pool C as well.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 08, 2016, 12:51:08 PM
The only team that will get a Regional bid from the ASC will be the conference tournament winner.  I felt that going into this tournament and CTX's loss just reaffirmed it. The ASC has several good but no great teams.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 08, 2016, 09:51:40 PM
The ASC tournament completed round one with UTT wining the Blue Bracket and Hardin-Simmons (HSU) winning the Red Bracket.  They will face each other in a best of 3 games this coming weekend. 

UTT won after dropping the first of two today to UTD loosing the first game 9-7 and coming back to win the nightcap 7-2.  HSU also played two loosing the first game today to ETB 12-11 but winning the night cap 8-6.

Going into the conference tournament HSU was the #3 seed and UTT was the #4 seed. Therefore, I believe that the best of 3 will be played at HSU this coming weekend. The winner will get a Pool A regional berth. The looser will likely see their season over.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 05, 2017, 02:25:35 PM
ASC is now in full swing and the early indications are showing UTT and UTD to have the best overall records. UTT has played more in conference games. Both teams are 12-2 with UTT having a 5-1 record in conference and UTD is 2-1 as it just started its conference schedule this weekend. It will be interesting to see if this early trend holds or if one or both of those teams start to falter. A lot of the teams are at or just above or below .500 so far. One of those teams will likely catch fire as the season progresses.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2017, 04:54:32 PM
It is nice that they will not inflict regular season losses on each other.

My bet is that they vie in conference tourney finals for the Pool A bid and the other is strong candidate for a Pool C bid.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 06, 2017, 09:08:58 PM
ETBU is undefeated UTD and moved to the Finals. UTD eliminated HSU and must win 2 on Sunday in the Red Bracket to proceed to the best of 3 finals next weekend.

CTX beat UTTyler scoring 4 in the 7th and 3 in the 8th to win 8-5.

UT-Tyler must beat LaCollege to face CTX tomorrow in the finals of the Blue bracket.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 07, 2017, 12:17:02 AM
CTX at 1-loss UTT tomorrow
ETBU at 1-loss UTD tomorrow.

Double elimination.

Winners meet next weekend best of 3.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on May 07, 2017, 12:24:51 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 07, 2017, 12:17:02 AM
CTX at 1-loss UTT tomorrow
ETBU at 1-loss UTD tomorrow.

Double elimination.

Winners meet next weekend best of 3.

If UTD fails to win both games tomorrow they can begin their off-season right away.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 108 Stitches on May 07, 2017, 12:54:31 PM
From Top Teams in the West "I forgot to point out that UTT and CTX are in the same bracket this weekend so one of those teams could get two wins against a current ranked opponent. Of course the looser is likely to fall out of the regional ranking."

I am thinking that UTT better win at least the first game vs CTX or they could join UTD (if they don't move on) for their summer vacation. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 07, 2017, 11:47:44 PM
ASC first weekend games:

13 games played in the 2 brackets:

2 extra inning games.

In the other 11 games, here were the margins of defeat and the respective seeds:

1 run by a #2 seed, 1 run by #4 seed, 1 run by a #6 seed,
2 runs by a ##7 seed,
3 runs by a #7 seed, 3 runs by a #1 seed, 3 runs by a #6 seed,
4 runs by a #8 seed,
5 runs by a #5 seed, 5 runs by a #5 seed, 5 runs by a #8 seed

#1 seed UT-Tyler and #3 seed ETBU advance and play at Irwin Field in Tyler this weekend.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 08, 2017, 02:53:10 AM
UTT was down 10-5 going into the 7th and won 13-12. They scored on a bases loaded walk to take lead and then held CTX in the bottom of the 9th..

Very evenly matched teams.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jim Dixon on May 08, 2017, 01:28:31 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 08, 2017, 02:53:10 AM
UTT was down 10-5 going into the 7th and won 13-12. They scored on a bases loaded walk to take lead and then held CTX in the bottom of the 9th..

Very evenly matched teams.

UTT also tied the game on a bases load walk.  Throwing strikes was a problem in the late innings but then again, UTT starting hitting those strikes.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 13, 2017, 05:42:05 PM
UT-Tyler at ETBU (in Tyler). Game 2 of the series and 1st game of the day.

ETBU bottom of the 9th. Runners on 1st and 2nd, 1 out.  Tied at 1. 6-4-3 DP. UTT out of the inning.

Top of the 10th UTT gets a double that is brought home on a single.

With one out and runners on 1st and 2nd, the SS fails to execute the DP and gets and error.
UTT then gets a grand slam by Broussard. Now 6-1 UTTyler.

Final  UTT 6, ETBU 1 in 10 innings.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 14, 2017, 12:11:52 AM
UTT won both games but both were tough and went extra innings. The first game saw a total of 10 pitchers and multiple lead changes. Both teams battled 13 innings before UTT won on a passed ball-wild pitch.

The second game was just the opposite as neither team could break it open. Tyler had 12 hits but only 1 run going into the 10th. ETBU played great defense up to that point. ETBU had a chance to win in the 9th but a couple of good Tyler defensive plays stopped them. An error on an inning ending double play killed ETBU in the 10th as the next player hit a grand slam and that effectively ended it.

In my opinion ETBU deserves a regional ranking and a chance to play in a regional somewhere. Their team is very good much better than they were in the early part of the season. These two games could have just as easily have been won by ETBU.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 14, 2017, 12:35:05 AM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 14, 2017, 12:11:52 AM
UTT won both games but both were tough and went extra innings. The first game saw a total of 10 pitchers and multiple lead changes. Both teams battled 13 innings before UTT won on a passed ball-wild pitch.

The second game was just the opposite as neither team could break it open. Tyler had 12 hits but only 1 run going into the 10th. ETBU played great defense up to that point. ETBU had a chance to win in the 9th but a couple of good Tyler defensive plays stopped them. An error on an inning ending double play killed ETBU in the 10th as the next player hit a grand slam and that effectively ended it.

In my opinion ETBU deserves a regional ranking and a chance to play in a regional somewhere. Their team is very good much better than they were in the early part of the season. These two games could have just as easily have been won by ETBU.
Thanks for the comment.

Respectfully, let me play devil's advocate about ETBU and how I would advise the coach to schedule next year.

The Tigers only had one quality non-conference opponent, Centenary, against whom they showed poorly.  The Schreiner series did not help them. At 30-15, there are too many losses to good and average teams that the other teams at the next level handily defeat.  There are plenty of .667 teams who are just on the edge of Regional Rankings.

I would hope that they could team with Centenary to bring quality teams (teams that are likely to show up in the Regional Rankings somewhere across the country) to Shreveport for a couple of games. Look at who has been in the Regional Rankings over the last 3 years and assess who might be there next year. Concordia TX got a big boost when Concordia Chicago (Regionally ranked #2 in the Midwest) came to Austin.

Best wishes to ETBU. Had they won the conference tourney, it would have been a feather in the cap of the program. Unfortunately, (IMHO) the West Region is too balanced for us to get the numbers that sneak a team into Pool C consideration.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 17, 2017, 07:15:29 PM
Tip of the hat to Pat Coleman for recalling a series of posts that were made on the Little East Conference board back in January.

This is what it takes to be a shoo-in for Pool C.

Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 16, 2017, 12:24:00 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 03, 2017, 09:32:12 PM
Quote from: hockeyfan77 on January 02, 2017, 11:05:51 PM
USM  2017 Baseball Schedule

http://www.southernmainehuskies.com/sports/bsb/2016-17/schedule
Quote from: Bishopleftiesdad on January 02, 2017, 11:33:23 PM
Wow that is a tough schedule. They should have a good SOS after their trip to Florida.
I agree, but it makes them tournament ready and will make them powerful in Pool C consideration!

This.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hockeyfan77 on May 17, 2017, 07:43:28 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 17, 2017, 07:15:29 PM
Tip of the hat to Pat Coleman for recalling a series of posts that were made on the Little East Conference board back in January.

This is what it takes to be a shoo-in for Pool C.

Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 16, 2017, 12:24:00 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 03, 2017, 09:32:12 PM
Quote from: hockeyfan77 on January 02, 2017, 11:05:51 PM
USM  2017 Baseball Schedule

http://www.southernmainehuskies.com/sports/bsb/2016-17/schedule
Quote from: Bishopleftiesdad on January 02, 2017, 11:33:23 PM
Wow that is a tough schedule. They should have a good SOS after their trip to Florida.
I agree, but it makes them tournament ready and will make them powerful in Pool C consideration!

This.


Also, USM had to scratch 3 games: 1 vs MIT, 1 vs St Joe's and 1 vs WNEC: first time in a long time USM didn't get 40 games in: but that what happens when you can't play a home game until April 15!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 30, 2017, 06:24:54 PM
Well Tornadoes, Cal Lu won it all!

You were THAT close!


Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Teddy_Ballgame on January 10, 2018, 03:28:10 PM
Say this posted somewhere else, with a focus on the football element: http://www.kltv.com/story/37235397/ut-tyler-applies-for-division-ii-status-could-bring-college-football-to-tyler (http://www.kltv.com/story/37235397/ut-tyler-applies-for-division-ii-status-could-bring-college-football-to-tyler)

But how would that impact the ASC in baseball? Haven't followed the conference much in the last few years, but I know Tyler made a few regionals when I played for Pomona-Pitzer c/o 2011. Seemed like a good program, and would be a tough loss for the conference and the west region.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on January 10, 2018, 08:53:11 PM
Quote from: Teddy_Ballgame on January 10, 2018, 03:28:10 PM
Say this posted somewhere else, with a focus on the football element: http://www.kltv.com/story/37235397/ut-tyler-applies-for-division-ii-status-could-bring-college-football-to-tyler (http://www.kltv.com/story/37235397/ut-tyler-applies-for-division-ii-status-could-bring-college-football-to-tyler)

But how would that impact the ASC in baseball? Haven't followed the conference much in the last few years, but I know Tyler made a few regionals when I played for Pomona-Pitzer c/o 2011. Seemed like a good program, and would be a tough loss for the conference and the west region.

I think that would be a huge loss in Baseball simply for the SOS factor.  UTT fields consistently good teams that help boost the SOS for a lot of teams, and it takes away for great trips like La Verne and Whitworth are taking this year.  They have also hosted a few regionals lately but after forgetting to tarp the field this past May I am not sure how happy the NCAA is with them.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 10, 2018, 10:24:22 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on January 10, 2018, 08:53:11 PM
Quote from: Teddy_Ballgame on January 10, 2018, 03:28:10 PM
Say this posted somewhere else, with a focus on the football element: http://www.kltv.com/story/37235397/ut-tyler-applies-for-division-ii-status-could-bring-college-football-to-tyler (http://www.kltv.com/story/37235397/ut-tyler-applies-for-division-ii-status-could-bring-college-football-to-tyler)

But how would that impact the ASC in baseball? Haven't followed the conference much in the last few years, but I know Tyler made a few regionals when I played for Pomona-Pitzer c/o 2011. Seemed like a good program, and would be a tough loss for the conference and the west region.

I think that would be a huge loss in Baseball simply for the SOS factor.  UTT fields consistently good teams that help boost the SOS for a lot of teams, and it takes away for great trips like La Verne and Whitworth are taking this year.  They have also hosted a few regionals lately but after forgetting to tarp the field this past May I am not sure how happy the NCAA is with them.
Having UTT as a Regional venue allowed the NCAA to bus Rhodes and Millsaps to the West.

In 2017, the Tyler Regional had UTT, Concordia TX from the ASC, Rhodes from the SAA, Linfield from the NWC, Cal Lu from the SCIAC and Centenary from the SCAC.

IN 2015, the Tyler Regional had Millsaps from the SAA, Whitworth and Linfield from the NWC, UT-Tyler from the ASC, LaVerne from the SCIAC and Trinity from the SCAC.

Both regionals were very competitive!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2018, 10:01:12 PM
ETBU took 2 of 3 from UT-Tyler.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on March 05, 2018, 11:43:15 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2018, 10:01:12 PM
ETBU took 2 of 3 from UT-Tyler.

And just beat Centenary...
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on March 21, 2018, 01:54:31 PM
The ASC is up for grabs with Concordia and Sul Ross State with 7-2 records but both with mediocre overall records of 14-7 and 13-9.  UTT is down this year with a loosing record in conference 4-5 and 12-8 overall.  No dominant teams thus leaves the conference wide open and will makes things real interesting.  Unfortunately, looks like only the conference champion will advance this year to the regionals. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 21, 2018, 02:00:02 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on March 21, 2018, 01:54:31 PM
The ASC is up for grabs with Concordia and Sul Ross State with 7-2 records but both with mediocre overall records of 14-7 and 13-9.  UTT is down this year with a loosing record in conference 4-5 and 12-8 overall.  No dominant teams thus leaves the conference wide open and will makes things real interesting.  Unfortunately, looks like only the conference champion will advance this year to the regionals.
SRSU is suspect for me. They have built their record on a weaker schedule than CTX.

CTX has faced some good teams. They did okay against the west coast, but I would have liked to seen wins against Rhodes Schreiner and Concrdia-Chicago. They also do not seem capable of sweeping the series they need to sweep, e.g.,  UOz and McM.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on April 09, 2018, 10:51:15 AM
Final 3 weeks of the regular season and 4 teams are battling for the regular season championship.  SRS has to be the favorite with a 13-4 conference mark and 2 series remaining against teams with loosing records. CTX and UTT must face each  other on April 20 -21 for a big 3 game series. UTD is coming off of winning 2 out of 3 from CTX this past weekend and looking good.  UTD is facing its remaining games against teams with loosing conference records.  SRS had the advantage of not having to play UTT or UTD this year.

The league is balanced. The only representative in the regionals this year will likely be the conference tournament champion. The regular season champion is the likely host.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 09, 2018, 01:08:31 PM
Should be a good game in Austin Tuesday when Trinity visits CTX, and then, as announced last week (http://www.srlobos.com/news/2018/4/4/baseball-to-face-no-1-trinity-april-12-and-13.aspx), Sul Ross heads to San Antonio for a pair on Thu/Fri.   
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 05, 2018, 03:26:27 PM
First round of the conference tourney:

2 & BBQ:  SRSU and ETBU

Eliminated in Game #5:  HSU and Oazrks

Sunday's games:

UT-Tyler vs CTX (UTT must win 2)

LeTU vs UTDallas  (LeTU must win 2)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 25, 2018, 01:28:57 PM
UT-Tyler 10, Oswego State (New York) 5.

This is the very first game to be won by an ASC team in the D-3 National Championship.

(In 2002, Concordia went 0-2).
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 25, 2018, 01:57:57 PM
Tyler banged out 16 hits including 2 home runs. Got a complete game out of their starter Sedillo saving their pen which they used heavily last weekend.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SoCalSoxFan on May 25, 2018, 02:08:10 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 25, 2018, 01:28:57 PM
UT-Tyler 10, Oswego State (New York) 5.

This is the very first game to be won by an ASC team in the D-3 National Championship.

(In 2002, Concordia went 0-2).

+1
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 25, 2018, 04:26:49 PM
Ralph that stat surprised me. I recall McMurry having some good teams, I guess I thought they made it to the World Series but apparently not.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 26, 2018, 05:29:02 PM
UTT wins again today 7-3 and is in the lower bracket finals. If they can win one of the next two they will play a best of 3 against the upper bracket winner for the national championship.  TLU won yesterday and is in the upper bracket. Thus it is possible that two Texas teams could face each other to determine the national champion.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 29, 2018, 11:01:14 AM
The ASC has never had a world series champion, UT Tyler has a real chance. I expect this series to go 3 games.  Both pitching staffs are working on fumes and those on the staff with light experience will have to step up. The team that can get the most quality innings out of their strained staffs will emerge victorious. This is now the end of a marathon and who can survive.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: AllStar on May 29, 2018, 07:01:44 PM
Congratulations Texas-Tyler!
(https://i.imgur.com/0JSmeKq.png)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on May 29, 2018, 10:28:00 PM
I wanted to talk about the balance of the ASC.  All season long I had said there was no dominate team but a lot of balance. Because of that balance and beating each other I assumed that only the conference champion would receive a bid to the regionals. I was wrong and gladly so. This conference was the most balanced and IMO the the strongest in DIII.  We had 3 teams make it to the regionals. Concordia was the regular season champion. UTD the conference champion and UTT a regional and World Series Champion. Concordia had beaten UTT 4 out of 6 games they met this year. UTD beat Concordia for the Conference Championship and UTT had beaten UTD 2 out of 3 during the regular season. No other conference had such diversity in their champions. Congratulations to the ASC for being the best conference in DIII baseball in 2018.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TexasBB on August 20, 2018, 01:18:17 PM
UT Tyler moves to DIV II and is to join the Lone Star Conference on July 1, 2019. They will compete one more year in the ASC. 

http://www.uttylerpatriots.com/news/articles/2018-19/7274/ut-tyler-to-join-lone-star-conference/

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 12, 2018, 02:49:12 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on August 20, 2018, 01:18:17 PM
UT Tyler moves to DIV II and is to join the Lone Star Conference on July 1, 2019. They will compete one more year in the ASC. 

http://www.uttylerpatriots.com/news/articles/2018-19/7274/ut-tyler-to-join-lone-star-conference/

404 error.   Instead try https://uttylerpatriots.com/news/2018/7/13/IMPORTED_STORY_7266_7266.aspx?path=general
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 24, 2019, 02:26:23 PM
Wow!  Louisiana College swept Concordia-Texas.

Louisiana College had nothing impressive on the resume prior to that.

The conference tournament should be interesting.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 31, 2019, 08:59:28 PM
The 19-5 record by HPU is not reassuring to this point. They have only lost 5 games to a D-2 to boost the resume.


Records and winning percentage are based on in-region games only. OWP: Opponents' winning percentage. OOWP: Opponents' opponents' winning percentage. SOS: two-thirds OWP and one-third OOWP.

Team                    Regional record   Regional win %  OWP (rank)     OOWP    NCAA SOS

310 Howard Payne   19-5                           .792                     .4286 (331)   .5400   0.466
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on March 31, 2019, 09:33:39 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 31, 2019, 08:59:28 PM
The 19-5 record by HPU is not reassuring to this point. They have only lost 5 games to a D-2 to boost the resume.


Records and winning percentage are based on in-region games only. OWP: Opponents' winning percentage. OOWP: Opponents' opponents' winning percentage. SOS: two-thirds OWP and one-third OOWP.

Team                    Regional record   Regional win %  OWP (rank)     OOWP    NCAA SOS

310 Howard Payne   19-5                           .792                     .4286 (331)   .5400   0.466

Ralph- this might be more suited for the SCAC board but what will things look like for Trinity with them playing so many games out of region?  Will anyone look at that as a negative?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 31, 2019, 09:43:40 PM
Trinity is in fine shape.


Team                    Regional record   Regional win %  OWP (rank)     OOWP    NCAA SOS
4 Trinity (Texas)   18-7                    .720                    .6543 (6)     .5662        0.625

Quote from: Jack Parkman on March 31, 2019, 09:33:39 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 31, 2019, 08:59:28 PM
The 19-5 record by HPU is not reassuring to this point. They have only lost 5 games to a D-2 to boost the resume.


Records and winning percentage are based on in-region games only. OWP: Opponents' winning percentage. OOWP: Opponents' opponents' winning percentage. SOS: two-thirds OWP and one-third OOWP.

Team                    Regional record   Regional win %  OWP (rank)     OOWP    NCAA SOS

310 Howard Payne   19-5                           .792                     .4286 (331)   .5400   0.466

Ralph- this might be more suited for the SCAC board but what will things look like for Trinity with them playing so many games out of region?  Will anyone look at that as a negative?

We don't get Regional Rankings for another 4 weeks, but my guess is the we get a 3-team pod in Texas and in Southern California. Let's assume that the
Conference Pool A bids are:

HPU
TLU (Series winner over TUTX)
Cal Lutheran (which won the series over Chapman)
Whitworth


I have HPU playing Trinity at TLU in Game one.

I have Whitworth playing Chapman at Cal Lu in Game one.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 08, 2019, 07:59:48 PM
Team

Howard Payne   13-2   0.867   131   80      20-10   0.667   235   194   7-3   Won 2
Louis. College   11-4   0.733   107   70      23-7   0.767   235   149   9-1   Won 5
East Texas Bapt   10-5   0.667   120   77      21-10   0.677   227   150   8-2   Lost 1
Hardin-SimU   10-6   0.625   102   100      14-14   0.500   184   196   7-3   Won 1
Sul Ross State   9-6   0.600   98   75      13-14   0.481   183   173   5-5   Won 1
Concor (Texas)   7-5   0.583   63   57      21-9   0.700   182   113   4-6   Lost 1
LeTourneau   7-5   0.583   71   86      17-13   0.567   177   171   4-6   Won 1
Texas-Dallas   6-6   0.500   57   66      13-16   0.448   171   182   6-4   Won 4


U of the Ozarks   6-9   0.400   85   84      12-18   0.400   176   178   5-5   Lost 3
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 08, 2019, 08:05:47 PM
Top 8 teams go to the playoffs. Ozarks needs to sweep McMurry (plausible) and probably take 2 out of 3 against LaCollege to get that last slot.

UTD is 3 games ahead in the loss column with 9 to play.

The question is whether CTX, with their harder conference and non-conference schedule is better than the current #6 seed.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 19, 2019, 03:29:11 AM
Having beaten LeTourneau 15-3 in the opener, CTX is down 6-4 going into the bottom of the 8th in the nightcap. They score 1 in the bottom of the 8th. Down 6-5 in the bottom of the 9th they get a walk, a SAC bunt single and then SAC bunt RBI to tie. CTX gets another BB and then Reed Carlton gets a walk-off 3 run HR for the 9-6 win.

There is a good chance that CTX will finish the regular season 30-9 (16-5) if they beat LeTU tomorrow and sweep UMHB next weekend.

16-5 may let CTX host one 4-team bracket of the ASC Playoffs.

HPU, ETBU LaCollege and HSU still are in contention to host a 4-team bracket, too.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 28, 2019, 04:15:10 PM
Watching the HPU-HSU game...

I like the profundity of the HPU broadcaster...

Situation. 2 runners on, nobody out in the bottom of the 5th.

"As I always say, triple plays always begin with at least 2 on and nobody out..."

;)
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 28, 2019, 05:35:38 PM
HPU sweeps HSU.

The regular season champ and #1 seed, HPU finished 17-4.

However, they did not play the #2 seed CTX, the #3 seed ETBU or the #6 seed UTD.

They went 3-0 against the #4 seed LaCollege, 3-0 against the #5 seed HSU, 2-1 vs the #7 seed SRSU and 1-2 vs #8 seed LeTU.

At this time, HPU has no games against Regionally Ranked Opponents.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 03, 2019, 05:37:36 PM
HPU earns the right to host the bracket and then rain and poor field conditions prompt the move to San Angelo at Angelo State's field!

What (bad) luck!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 04, 2019, 09:43:41 AM
After rain delays at both locations, #1 seed HPU was eliminated from their bracket.

LaCollege is in the consolation bracket and plays the LeTU UTD loser.

SRSU has been eliminated in the CTX bracket.

HSU is in the consolation bracket and plays the ETBU CTX loser.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 04, 2019, 08:37:11 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 04, 2019, 09:43:41 AM
After rain delays at both locations, #1 seed HPU was eliminated from their bracket.

LaCollege is in the consolation bracket and plays the LeTU UTD loser.

SRSU has been eliminated in the CTX bracket.

HSU is in the consolation bracket and plays the ETBU CTX loser.
The final are setting up.

In San Angelo, LaCollege scores one in the bottom of the 9th to win 13-12 over UTD. The Comets committed 6 errors and gave 6 unearned runs. LaC plays undefeated LeTourneau.

At Concordia-TX, undefeated CTX plays ETBU.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 10, 2019, 06:39:40 PM
In Game 2 of the Championship Series, LeTU ties it up 1-1 in the bottom of the 9th.

CTX scores 4 in the top of the 10th to win 5-1 and earn the Pool A bid
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 10, 2019, 08:22:38 PM
And bubble teams everywhere are thankful that another spot wasn't taken away from them.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 10, 2019, 08:42:13 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 10, 2019, 08:22:38 PM
And bubble teams everywhere are thankful that another spot wasn't taken away from them.
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 08, 2019, 03:06:19 PM
New Regional Rankings are out...

1. Chapman
2. Trinity
3. Texas Lutheran
4. La Verne
5. Occidental
6. Concordia (TX)
7. Cal Lutheran

I wonder if CTX's 2 more wins leapfrog CTX over LaVerne or Oxy teams with 2 more tourney losses.
Are the standings in the West Region that close between #4 and #6?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on May 10, 2019, 09:38:37 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 10, 2019, 08:42:13 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 10, 2019, 08:22:38 PM
And bubble teams everywhere are thankful that another spot wasn't taken away from them.
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 08, 2019, 03:06:19 PM
New Regional Rankings are out...

1. Chapman
2. Trinity
3. Texas Lutheran
4. La Verne
5. Occidental
6. Concordia (TX)
7. Cal Lutheran

I wonder if CTX's 2 more wins leapfrog CTX over LaVerne or Oxy teams with 2 more tourney losses.
Are the standings in the West Region that close between #4 and #6?

I don't think so as La Verne is now 7-5 against RRO and CTX stays at 2-3. Doesn't seem to be any reason for CTX to jump them.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jim Dixon on May 11, 2019, 05:33:42 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 10, 2019, 09:38:37 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 10, 2019, 08:42:13 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 10, 2019, 08:22:38 PM
And bubble teams everywhere are thankful that another spot wasn't taken away from them.
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 08, 2019, 03:06:19 PM
New Regional Rankings are out...

1. Chapman
2. Trinity
3. Texas Lutheran
4. La Verne
5. Occidental
6. Concordia (TX)
7. Cal Lutheran

I wonder if CTX's 2 more wins leapfrog CTX over LaVerne or Oxy teams with 2 more tourney losses.
Are the standings in the West Region that close between #4 and #6?

I don't think so as La Verne is now 7-5 against RRO and CTX stays at 2-3. Doesn't seem to be any reason for CTX to jump them.

With the pool A bid in hand, CTX position is a non issue and has no impact on the SCIAC selections.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on June 10, 2019, 05:29:40 PM
https://www.d3baseball.com/notables/2019/06/stawski-moves-umhb

This seems like an absolutely fantastic hire for UMHB but I am curious what would make Stawski leave Concordia?  Maybe it's the warmer weather, although many of those early Spring games in TX are pretty rough.  I am very interested to see how this pans out.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 10, 2019, 08:14:57 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on June 10, 2019, 05:29:40 PM
https://www.d3baseball.com/notables/2019/06/stawski-moves-umhb

This seems like an absolutely fantastic hire for UMHB but I am curious what would make Stawski leave Concordia?  Maybe it's the warmer weather, although many of those early Spring games in TX are pretty rough.  I am very interested to see how this pans out.
A stronger commitment to his sport from an athletic program that has set sights on national championships in all sports that it sponsors.

UMHB just got serious about baseball.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dp643 on June 11, 2019, 09:33:08 AM
As a Cru alumni, I can unequivocally say I am fired up for this hiring. Coach Mann appears to have hit a home run here. I am excited to see where he can take the program, and I believe the ASC just got that much tougher.  Welcome Coach Stawski!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 11, 2019, 09:50:07 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 10, 2019, 08:14:57 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on June 10, 2019, 05:29:40 PM
https://www.d3baseball.com/notables/2019/06/stawski-moves-umhb

This seems like an absolutely fantastic hire for UMHB but I am curious what would make Stawski leave Concordia?  Maybe it's the warmer weather, although many of those early Spring games in TX are pretty rough.  I am very interested to see how this pans out.
A stronger commitment to his sport from an athletic program that has set sights on national championships in all sports that it sponsors.

UMHB just got serious about baseball.

Yeah, I may have to take back the comment in the MIAC thread about UMHB not trying to pull a St. Thomas on the ASC.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Purple Heys on June 11, 2019, 12:26:42 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 10, 2019, 08:14:57 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on June 10, 2019, 05:29:40 PM
https://www.d3baseball.com/notables/2019/06/stawski-moves-umhb

This seems like an absolutely fantastic hire for UMHB but I am curious what would make Stawski leave Concordia?  Maybe it's the warmer weather, although many of those early Spring games in TX are pretty rough.  I am very interested to see how this pans out.
A stronger commitment to his sport from an athletic program that has set sights on national championships in all sports that it sponsors.

UMHB just got serious about baseball.

What Ralph said...Watch out for the Cru in baseball now.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on June 11, 2019, 02:10:35 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 10, 2019, 08:14:57 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on June 10, 2019, 05:29:40 PM
https://www.d3baseball.com/notables/2019/06/stawski-moves-umhb


UMHB just got serious about baseball.

Absolutely.  I think his recruiting success will carry over and the facilities at UMHB are fantastic.  I have been to a few football game there and the support they receive is something for many to be jealous of.  The West is "adding" another quality team.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 26, 2022, 12:58:07 AM
Whoa! Headline! Man Bites Dog!
McMurry 3 #5 UTD 0!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 27, 2022, 12:29:55 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 26, 2022, 12:58:07 AM
Whoa! Headline! Man Bites Dog!
McMurry 3 #5 UTD 0!
McMurry swept UTDallas, 12-10 and 9-8!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 03, 2022, 11:48:03 PM
John Byington improved McMurry 12 games in the win column in conference play, from 5 to 17.
He has to be in consideration for COTY.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 08, 2022, 10:38:44 PM
We say good-bye to Belhaven as they move the the Collegiate Conference of the South, the new spin-off from the USA South AC
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 13, 2022, 08:22:54 PM
UTD 8 ETBU 6 in game 2.
Going to Game 3 tomorrow
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 02, 2022, 01:29:51 PM
CTX Coach Tommy Boggs is in a tough battle with cancer:

https://twitter.com/ctxathletics/status/1576374757473550336?s=46&t=SJx6gBiL0GGM8savqdHbVA
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 05, 2022, 08:42:39 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 02, 2022, 01:29:51 PM
CTX Coach Tommy Boggs is in a tough battle with cancer:

https://twitter.com/ctxathletics/status/1576374757473550336?s=46&t=SJx6gBiL0GGM8savqdHbVA

Sadly, Coach Boggs passed away.  My condolences to his family, friends, and players.

https://athletics.concordia.edu/news/2022/10/5/concordia-university-texas-head-baseball-coach-tommy-boggs-passes-away.aspx
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2023, 06:20:48 PM
St Thomas gets a 2-out walk off grand slam to beat McMurry 6-5 and sweep the series.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 23, 2023, 06:52:32 PM
Last week of regular season. 6-team tourney is May 4,5,6,7 at ETBU. 7 teams are going for 6 slots. Two have clinched.
                   CONFERENCE ONLY      OVERALL
                                W-L   WIN %   PF   PA      W-L   WIN %   PF   PA   LAST 10   STREAK  FINAL WEEK
East Texas Baptist   21-3   0.875   265   93      27-9   0.750   335   158   9-1   Won 2                 Clinched #1; Hosts UOz
Concordia (Texas)   16-8   0.667   172   114      24-13   0.649   257   190   8-2   Won 5         At HPU; needs 1 win to clinch 2nd
Texas-Dallas          13-11   0.542   173   136      21-15   0.583   265   199   5-5   Lost 2 At LeTU; 1 win Clinches playoffs
Hardin-Simmons      12-12   0.500   133   148      17-20   0.459   207   235   5-5   Won 3  At McM; 2 wins clinches playoffs
Howard Payne         11-13   0.458   170   201      18-19   0.486   248   259   6-4   Won 1  Hosts CTX; Probably needs 2 wins
LeTourneau           11-13   0.458   152   195      17-20   0.459   248   279   4-6   Lost 3 Hosts UT-D; Probably needs 2 wins
Sul Ross State         11-13   0.458   177   210      15-18   0.455   228   280   4-6   Lost 1   At UMHB; Probably needs 2 wins
Mary Hardin-Baylor   9-15   0.375   136   160      14-18   0.438   174   196   6-4   Lost 2               Hosts SRSU
Univ. of the Ozarks   9-15   0.375   185   228      10-27   0.270   244   368   4-6   Won 2              At ETBU
McMurry                   7-17   0.292   144   222      13-23   0.361   228   285   2-8   Lost 3              Hosts HSU
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 23, 2023, 07:02:50 PM
In a three-way tie between HPU, LeTU and SRSU, SRSU has the tie-breaker.

Head-to-head for a 2 way tie for the 6th bid:

SRSU 3-0 over LeTU
LeTU 2-1 over HPU.
HPU 2-1 over SRSU.

Were McMurry to sweep HSU, then ... gonna take some figuring.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 06, 2023, 03:07:57 PM
H-SU is one win away from the NCAA's.
They play in the Championship Round tomorrow.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 08, 2023, 09:00:13 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 06, 2023, 03:07:57 PM
H-SU is one win away from the NCAA's.
They play in the Championship Round tomorrow.

ETBU came all the way out of the loser's bracket and defeated HSU twice, 16-8 and 8-1, to claim their first ASC baseball championship.  Hard to believe neither they or HSU had won a championship before. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 15, 2023, 02:18:27 PM
Concordia(TX), Ozarks(AR) to join SCAC in 24-25.  The ASC is in big trouble.

https://scacsports.com/news/2022-2023/scac_adds_concordia_and_ozarks
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 15, 2023, 02:25:16 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 15, 2023, 02:18:27 PM
Concordia(TX), Ozarks(AR) to join SCAC in 24-25.  The ASC is in big trouble.

https://scacsports.com/news/2022-2023/scac_adds_concordia_and_ozarks
What keeps Lyon from moving to the SCAC from the SLIAC as a travel partner for Ozarks?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 15, 2023, 03:19:55 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 15, 2023, 02:25:16 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 15, 2023, 02:18:27 PM
Concordia(TX), Ozarks(AR) to join SCAC in 24-25.  The ASC is in big trouble.

https://scacsports.com/news/2022-2023/scac_adds_concordia_and_ozarks
What keeps Lyon from moving to the SCAC from the SLIAC as a travel partner for Ozarks?

Solves one problem but introduces another due to the an odd number of schools.   Maybe the SCAC sees Ozarks and Colorado as the travel pair in '24 with Austin getting paired with UDallas.  McMurry's all out there by itself tho.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 15, 2023, 07:49:12 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 15, 2023, 03:19:55 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 15, 2023, 02:25:16 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 15, 2023, 02:18:27 PM
Concordia(TX), Ozarks(AR) to join SCAC in 24-25.  The ASC is in big trouble.

https://scacsports.com/news/2022-2023/scac_adds_concordia_and_ozarks
What keeps Lyon from moving to the SCAC from the SLIAC as a travel partner for Ozarks?

Solves one problem but introduces another due to the an odd number of schools.   Maybe the SCAC sees Ozarks and Colorado as the travel pair in '24 with Austin getting paired with UDallas.  McMurry's all out there by itself tho.
Would the SCAC accept Hardin-Simmons?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 15, 2023, 07:55:27 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 15, 2023, 03:19:55 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 15, 2023, 02:25:16 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 15, 2023, 02:18:27 PM
Concordia(TX), Ozarks(AR) to join SCAC in 24-25.  The ASC is in big trouble.

https://scacsports.com/news/2022-2023/scac_adds_concordia_and_ozarks
What keeps Lyon from moving to the SCAC from the SLIAC as a travel partner for Ozarks?

Solves one problem but introduces another due to the an odd number of schools.  Maybe the SCAC sees Ozarks and Colorado as the travel pair in '24 with Austin getting paired with UDallas.  McMurry's all out there by itself tho.
Oh my, bus ride to Little Rock to catch a flight to a hub to connect to the Springs? (United to Denver or O-Hare or American to DFW). What do teams do now? Fly to Denver and catch a bus to Colo Springs?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 15, 2023, 08:21:14 PM
There are some flights direct to the Springs, but I think most fly into Denver where there are many more flights which cost less. I guess another possibility is Ozarks and Centenary as one pair, McMurry and Colorado as the other, whatever you do it's gonna be ugly.

I think the new SCAC (as the page with the release calls it) takes HSU in a heartbeat.  It would allow them to firm up the football situation which is a little iffy with the TU/SW departures.

Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 17, 2023, 05:29:09 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 15, 2023, 08:21:14 PM
There are some flights direct to the Springs, but I think most fly into Denver where there are many more flights which cost less. I guess another possibility is Ozarks and Centenary as one pair, McMurry and Colorado as the other, whatever you do it's gonna be ugly.

I think the new SCAC (as the page with the release calls it) takes HSU in a heartbeat.  It would allow them to firm up the football situation which is a little iffy with the TU/SW departures.
Colorado Springs has a wonderful little airport, compared to DEN.
As for HSU, why not just take HPU, ETBU and LeTU as well.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 21, 2023, 05:44:46 PM
Congrats ETBU on winning the Regional.
They play the winner of the La Verne Birmingham-Southern game.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 22, 2023, 11:49:47 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 22, 2023, 10:42:10 PM
ETBU was the #1 seed in the West.
La Verne won the Birmingham-Southern Regional..
ETBU hosts the D3 Softball National Championships this weekend.

Will the NCAA hold the Super-Regional at ETBU, too?


Yes! Friday at 1PM
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on May 23, 2023, 09:14:10 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 22, 2023, 11:49:47 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 22, 2023, 10:42:10 PM
ETBU was the #1 seed in the West.
La Verne won the Birmingham-Southern Regional..
ETBU hosts the D3 Softball National Championships this weekend.

Will the NCAA hold the Super-Regional at ETBU, too?


Yes! Friday at 1PM

Curious if the NCAA sent La Verne home and they will turn around and get on another flight for this weekend? Doubt they would want to pay for the hotel nights but who knows.

I saw the L&C team got treated very well after being knocked out late at night. Apparently they went back to the hotel and were told to pack up and get on a bus to Atlanta to fly home right away. So much for taking care of the kids who just had their season end.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on May 23, 2023, 10:22:25 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 22, 2023, 11:49:47 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 22, 2023, 10:42:10 PM
ETBU was the #1 seed in the West.
La Verne won the Birmingham-Southern Regional..
ETBU hosts the D3 Softball National Championships this weekend.

Will the NCAA hold the Super-Regional at ETBU, too?


Yes! Friday at 1PM

That should work out because the D3 Softball National Championshio is scheduled for the weekend after next.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mr_b on May 23, 2023, 11:43:17 AM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 23, 2023, 09:14:10 AM
I saw the L&C team got treated very well after being knocked out late at night. Apparently they went back to the hotel and were told to pack up and get on a bus to Atlanta to fly home right away. So much for taking care of the kids who just had their season end.
Wow, that is pretty harsh... insult to injury. 
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 23, 2023, 04:30:38 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on May 23, 2023, 10:22:25 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 22, 2023, 11:49:47 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 22, 2023, 10:42:10 PM
ETBU was the #1 seed in the West.
La Verne won the Birmingham-Southern Regional..
ETBU hosts the D3 Softball National Championships this weekend.

Will the NCAA hold the Super-Regional at ETBU, too?
Yes! Friday at 1PM

That should work out because the D3 Softball National Championshio is scheduled for the weekend after next.
Yes, thanks. I was mistaken about the dates of the Softball Championship.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 26, 2023, 03:38:21 PM
A shoutout to ETBU...

I like the uniforms; nice touch with the pinstripes and the "Marshall" across the front.

Congrats on winning Game 1, 9-1.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 27, 2023, 07:25:36 PM
Congrats ETBU on the Super Regional win over La Verne.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 27, 2023, 11:15:25 PM
As best as I can tell, ETBU will open with Salisbury. Lynchburg and UW-Lacrosse are on the other side of the bracket.

On the left side, I see JHU versus Ithaca  and Misericordia versus Baldwin-Wallace
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 02, 2023, 10:46:11 PM
#19 ETBU 7, #2 Salisbury 3 in the 1st round of Bracket 2.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 06, 2023, 08:31:46 AM
ETBU made it to the final four before bowing out to Lynchburg 7-1 yesterday.  Not bad for your first time ever at the CWS, congrats to the Tigers on a very fine season!
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 06, 2023, 01:29:58 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on June 06, 2023, 08:31:46 AM
ETBU made it to the final four before bowing out to Lynchburg 7-1 yesterday.  Not bad for your first time ever at the CWS, congrats to the Tigers on a very fine season!
I believe that the ETBU showing shows the strength and balance in Region 10 (the West Region).
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bmo on March 10, 2024, 10:07:55 PM
Dumb question probably, but I noticed this footnote on ASC baseball standings page. 

https://ascsports.org/standings.aspx?path=baseball

It says that Sul Ross is "Ineligible for ASC and NCAA Championships (NCAA Division II reclassifying)."  Wouldn't UT Dallas also be ineligible?  Didn't UT Tyler win the national championship the year before they reclassified?  Why would Sul Ross be treated differently?
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2024, 01:58:58 PM
Quote from: Bmo on March 10, 2024, 10:07:55 PMDumb question probably, but I noticed this footnote on ASC baseball standings page. 

https://ascsports.org/standings.aspx?path=baseball

It says that Sul Ross is "Ineligible for ASC and NCAA Championships (NCAA Division II reclassifying)."  Wouldn't UT Dallas also be ineligible?  Didn't UT Tyler win the national championship the year before they reclassified?  Why would Sul Ross be treated differently?
I think that UT-Tyler's paperwork began after the "title". I also think that this applies to UTD, who is moving to D-2.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2024, 07:53:12 PM
I will temper my exuberance concerning the 13-5 win by McMurry over UW-Whitewater. They really got to pitchers Eli Frank (Junior, Bay Port, WI) and Cade Hansen (a sophomore who played at New Braunfels Smithson Valley).

Looks like the UWW coach was trying out his bullpen staff against a middle-of-the road ASC team.
Title: Re: BB: ASC: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 11, 2024, 08:38:21 PM
UT-D has been eligible for championships all year; they made the announcement on July 20th, 2023 but they have not been approved to transition yet by the NCAA.  Sul Ross announced their D2 transition in January 2023, were approved to transition by the NCAA on July 13 (https://www.ncaa.org/news/2023/7/13/media-center-d-youville-to-become-a-division-ii-member-sept-1.aspx), so are in transition year 1 (of 3) this season and are thus ineligible.