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#1
Congrats to Elmhurst on receiving the automatic bid!
#2
Quote from: lmitzel on February 19, 2020, 01:15:12 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2020, 01:13:22 PM
Week 2's Regional Rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-second
Quote from: Titan Q on February 18, 2020, 07:20:49 AM
Quote from: Titan Q on February 17, 2020, 07:03:40 PM
I think...

1 Platteville (A)
2 Wash U (C)
3 North Central (A)
4 St. Norbert (A)
5 Eau Claire (C)
6 Oshkosh (C)
7 La Crosse (C)
8 Augustana (C)
Thinking about this a little more, I think BU probably edges out Augie in spot #8 -- BU won at NCC, Augie was swept by NCC.  I think that will be the difference.

1 Platteville (A)
2 Wash U (C)
3 North Central (A)
4 St. Norbert (A)
5 Eau Claire (C)
6 Oshkosh (C)
7 La Crosse (C)
8 Benedictine (A)

A thought -- if NCC ends up as the only ranked CCIW team in the final two polls*, that would do a lot of damage to NCC's overall resume.  It would take away a bunch of potential RRO.  For example, based on what I have above, NCC would be 0-2 vs RRO...and that aint good. 

"* Results versus ranked Division III teams as established by the final ranking and the ranking preceding the final ranking."
https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/basketball/d3/men/2019-20D3MBB_PreChampsManual.pdf

With NCC 4 and Elmhurst 5, the damage actually isn't too bad, though that'll put their vRRO at 2-2 next week, which I can live with.
TQ or anyone else,
So the criteria "once regionally ranked, always regionally ranked" no longer exist?
#3
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 15, 2020, 12:27:01 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on February 15, 2020, 11:05:35 AM
Quote from: cardinalpride on February 15, 2020, 10:38:33 AM
Gents,
the regional rankings, as they do every year, will shake themselves out in the end. As long as NCC, SNC, and BU continue to stack wins the rankings they shall ascend!

That's not entirely true, actually. Depending on who plays who, someone like SNC or BU could drop in the regional rankings, even if they win, because their poor conference opponents with low SOS's, while another team could get a boast because they play a team with a high SOS and/or are regionally ranked.

Yeah ... this is a valid point, cardinalpride ... rankings start from scratch each week - everyone removed from the board and the slate wiped clean. Then all data is looked at again. When SOS is constantly changing, it adds in the element that a reason to rank Team A ahead of Team B one week could be null and void the next week even if both teams win two games each. Furthermore, Results versus Regionally Ranked Opponents (vRRO) is added in starting with Week 2's Regional Rankings and that tends to shake up the rankings quite a bit.

We have seen teams ranked #1 one week fall to #2 or #3 another week even though they have not lost. The data is constantly changing and thus it should be assumed rankings can change outside of just wins and losses.
Duly Noted!
BU didn't hold up it end! We'll see how SNC and NCC fare in this weeks rankings!
#4
Gents,
the regional rankings, as they do every year, will shake themselves out in the end. As long as NCC, SNC, and BU continue to stack wins the rankings they shall ascend!
#5
Quote from: voxelmhurst on January 11, 2020, 01:24:33 PM
Quote from: AndOne on January 11, 2020, 01:20:58 AM
Quote from: cardinalpride on January 10, 2020, 07:19:17 PM
Quote from: AndOne on January 09, 2020, 04:10:46 PM
Quote from: augiefan on January 09, 2020, 03:35:57 PM
The defection of Jack McDonald is a real blow to Augie's future. He was considered the prize recruit in this year's freshman class and was getting quite a bit of playing time for a freshman in the CCIW. Seems like he might be a bit of a prima donna or maybe GG yelled at him too harshly.

Many knowledgeable CCIW fans thought Augie came up with a top prize when Augie landed McDonald. Last year, he was the best HS PG that I saw play all season. With Jack Jelen, a good assist guy, but someone I've never seen either score much or play much defense, as his chief competition, I
personally thought he would take over the starting spot for Augie by about Christmas. However, rather than attaining this level of play, we all saw his PT falling off lately.

At any rate, I know Coach G loved the kid, worked hard to land him, was overjoyed when he did, and gave him plenty of opportunity in the early going this season. As augiefan said above, maybe he is a prima donna, or maybe GG yelled at him too much. McDonald was certainly entitled to quit anytime he wanted to. However, it has been reported in the media that he did so by means of an e-mail. While it seems many kids (showing my age here but I don't care) today have substituted learning how to converse verbally for learning how to do so by typing, the bottom line seems to be that, especially with all the work Coach G put in recruiting him, and the opportunity he afforded him, that if McDonald wanted to quit, he should have at least had the guts to go to the Coach, and do so in person. JMHO.
AO,
You'd be surprised at how many kids quit programs via text or email. By leaving the program now as opposed to the end of the year, he really does Augie a favor. It can speed up the development of another kid at same position and they can set their sites on another high level PG in this years HS class!

Yes, most likely I would indeed be surprised. 🤷🏼‍♂️
And, nobody ever said McDonald or any other player couldn't leave for any reason anytime they wanted to!
But, being an older fart, I just think the better way to do it would be to man up and go in and tell the guy who believed in you, and put in a lot of time and effort in recruiting you, face to face. That's all.  :D

The bar is incredibly low these days. I, for one, applaud this player for at least not ghosting Augie. (sarcasm font) :P :P :P
AndOne,
I agree with you. As a young man, the kid should have faced the coach Mano y Mano for the reasons you mentioned. IJS, the way the kid handled it happens more than we know. Most cases involve lessor talented kids and their decision may never reach this platform and certainly won't make the local paper.
#6
Quote from: AndOne on January 09, 2020, 04:10:46 PM
Quote from: augiefan on January 09, 2020, 03:35:57 PM
The defection of Jack McDonald is a real blow to Augie's future. He was considered the prize recruit in this year's freshman class and was getting quite a bit of playing time for a freshman in the CCIW. Seems like he might be a bit of a prima donna or maybe GG yelled at him too harshly.

Many knowledgeable CCIW fans thought Augie came up with a top prize when Augie landed McDonald. Last year, he was the best HS PG that I saw play all season. With Jack Jelen, a good assist guy, but someone I've never seen either score much or play much defense, as his chief competition, I
personally thought he would take over the starting spot for Augie by about Christmas. However, rather than attaining this level of play, we all saw his PT falling off lately.

At any rate, I know Coach G loved the kid, worked hard to land him, was overjoyed when he did, and gave him plenty of opportunity in the early going this season. As augiefan said above, maybe he is a prima donna, or maybe GG yelled at him too much. McDonald was certainly entitled to quit anytime he wanted to. However, it has been reported in the media that he did so by means of an e-mail. While it seems many kids (showing my age here but I don't care) today have substituted learning how to converse verbally for learning how to do so by typing, the bottom line seems to be that, especially with all the work Coach G put in recruiting him, and the opportunity he afforded him, that if McDonald wanted to quit, he should have at least had the guts to go to the Coach, and do so in person. JMHO.
AO,
You'd be surprised at how many kids quit programs via text or email. By leaving the program now as opposed to the end of the year, he really does Augie a favor. It can speed up the development of another kid at same position and they can set their sites on another high level PG in this years HS class!
#7
I know this is the b-ball board so forgive me!
Congrats to Coach Thorne and the NCC football program.
The Cardinals are proud of you today! Continue to make NCC history!
#8
Congrats to Coach Thorne and the NCC football program.
The Cardinals are proud of you today! Continue to make NCC history!
#9
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 09, 2017, 12:04:47 AM
Quote from: cardinalpride on March 08, 2017, 08:14:09 PMIIT will be eligible for the NCAA tournament as an independent next year.  With another solid recruiting class coupled with another great season, he could find his team in the big dance as early as next year.

No, you're one year too early. Illinois Tech is a third-year provisional in 2016-17. Next year will be IIT's fourth and final year as a provie, and then the Scarlet Hawks will be eligible for D3 national tournaments and meets starting in the fall of 2018.

http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/Feb2017DIIIGOV_Provisional-Reclassifying-Exploratory-Chart_20170215.pdf
Once again I stand corrected!
#10
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 08, 2017, 12:43:53 AM
Quote from: AndOne on March 07, 2017, 08:20:37 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 07, 2017, 02:30:06 PM
I figured that Steve Kollar would throw his hat into the ring at Millikin, not just for the reasons that Mark mentioned, but also because he's an Elmhurst grad. It's pretty typical for CCIW alumni to want to get back into this league. He also coached at several west suburban high schools prior to being hired as an assistant to John Baines at St. Francis, so he holds promise for Millikin in terms of his potential to recruit in Chicagoland.

Joe Fano's been a big part of two very successful back-to-back seasons at two different schools, and he knows his stuff, so he's a solid candidate as well.

Todd Creal at MacMurray is another guy I could see going for the MU job, as he was an assistant there under Tim Littrell and before that had served for a couple of years under Grey Giovanine at Augustana. He's coming off of a tough 5-20 season, though, which might make it harder for him to plead his case in an interview. Chris Martin's only been at Loras for one season, so it might be too soon for him to contemplate a change if he's interested in eventually returning to the CCIW. And I always wonder if a coach who's been successful in one of the local lower-echelon D3 leagues, such as Chris Bunch at Webster, Ken Davis at Lake Forest, or Ryan Kane at Ripon, might be interested in a CCIW job. Kane would be an attractive candidate for Millikin; he's in his late thirties, he just enjoyed a D3 tournament season at Ripon, and he spent five years sitting second chair beside Mark White at Dominican, so he knows Chicagoland recruiting, too.

I still think that this is Todd Kelly's job to lose, though. He led Illinois Tech to a 22-6 record this year, as the Scarlet Hawks finished as the runner-up in the USCAA national tournament in spite of the fact that their best player, Anthony Mosley, missed the end of the season with a knee injury. IIT, in its own way, is a tough gig for a coach in terms of recruiting, and yet Kelly built a really good team there. Todd's a Millikin basketball alumnus, which would make it easier for the community to rally around him in the wake of the departure of the very popular Matt Nadelhoffer.

Despite the widely held belief that Todd Kelly is not only the most logical and likely candidate, but also the odds on favorite to actually get the job, I have just heard from an unimpeachable source that not only has Todd Kelly NOT applied for the Millikin job, but also, that he has no interest in doing so. It seems there are as many as three major factors accounting for his disinterest.

I've heard the same thing tonight, from a likewise unimpeachable source. I was surprised by it, because it appeared that in so many ways this would've seemed like a golden opportunity to him. But one man's gold is another man's dross ... or perhaps the gold standard has sunk that low in Decatur.

Quote from: AndOne on March 07, 2017, 08:20:37 PM
Furthermore, the MU selection committee was to meet either yesterday or today to discuss what applicants they want to invite to campus to interview.
My source also indicated that while some applicants are no doubt currently on staff at other CCIW schools, he would expect that even more were from other conferences like the Midwest, and especially, the SLIAC.

Like I said, I see this as a job that someone from a lower-tier league might view as a step up.

It will be interesting to see if MU goes with someone who is currently an assistant. We've discussed this before, but the last head-coaching hire by a CCIW school who had no prior head-coaching experience on the college level was Paul Brenegan at NPU in 2004.
In regards to Todd Kelly,
Just taking a look at his situation from a far, it really wouldn't make a ton of sense for him to leave IIT for Millikin at this point. He has some nice talent returning. IIT will be eligible for the NCAA tournament as an independent next year.  With another solid recruiting class coupled with another great season, he could find his team in the big dance as early as next year. It would take him 3-4 years at the earliest to get Millikin to a similar position.
#11
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 04, 2017, 08:35:39 PM
Hanover ends North Central's season with a 64-63 decision.
Too many missed opportunities at the rim! Can't miss layups and expect to win a tournament game!
#12
Quote from: AndOne on March 04, 2017, 05:22:48 PM
Last night vs Wooster two of the major points in the NCC game plan were to harass Woo's top player as much as possible and make his work as difficult as possible, and to prevent dribble drives and easy layup baskets. Worked pretty well as Woo's top guy did get 23 points, but effectively gave many of them back as the Cardinals harassed him into NINE turnovers. Their clogging of the middle and closing off the lane forced Wooster to have to bomb from long distance from where they were successful on only 4 of their 18 attempts (22%).
Sounds like they might employ much of the same strategy tonight vs McKinny, and in defense of limiting drives/attacking the rim. Perhaps we'll see Secretary of Defense Phipps matched up against McKinney a little more.
NCC will have to overcome not only Hanover's team, but also their home court advantage/fans.
The Cards anticipated Hanover as tonight's opponent, whereas I sense Hanover figured they'd be going against Wooster.
According to the announcers, Hanover is on break right now. So I'd be surprised if it's a packed house.
Great opportunity for NCC but they have to play well in all aspects of the game. NCC reserves will need to step up tonight.
#13
The CCIW stands tall tonight on neutral ground against two perennial national powers! Go CCIW!
#14
Quote from: USee on March 02, 2017, 10:14:56 AM
As usual, I am posting my annual starting lineups and top reserves for this week's NCAA playoffs involving CCIW teams. First, the AQ, NCC v Wooster:

NCC
Alexander "Hamilton" Sorenson F, 6-8, JR

Erwin "Juwan" Henry G, 6-2, Jr

"Mick" Jagger Anderson G , 6-0, Sr.

Aiden "PF" Chang G, 6-3, So

Matt "Bonner" Cappelletti F, 6-5, Fr

Nick "Collison" Chambers G, 6-1, Fr

Tommy Koth "of the Hammer" G, 6-2, So

Jaquan "Lyle" PhippsG, 6-3, So

Jack "Sikma" Bronec F, 6-7, So

Injured Reserve: Connor "Medium" Raridon F, 6-6, So

Wooster:

Dan "Majerle" Fanelly F, 6-6, Sr

Spencer "Mo"  Williams G, 6-2, Jr

Reece "Witherspoon"  Dupler "Radar" G, 6-2, So

"Grand" Danyon "It's Legal in Colorado" Hempy G, 6-5, Fr

Milt "The Stilt" Davis G, 6-3 Sr

Alex  "John the" Baptiste F, 6-7, Jr

Mitch "Kupchak" Balser G, 6-0, So

Eric "Gordon" Bulic F, 6-7 So



Later today I will have the Augie v St Thomas game
Nice work as usual Usee.
#15
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 28, 2017, 03:42:06 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 27, 2017, 01:25:05 PM
There was plenty of reason to be worried, CP. Augustana was not a shoo-in. But as Bob pointed out on Saturday night, there was a lot less havoc wreaked in conference tournament semifinals and championships than usual that day, and that relative absence of bid-thieving left enough room for some teams whose numbers would've been too low in past seasons for serious Pool C consideration.

Following up on this thought, I highly recommend that everybody read Pat Coleman's article on the unprecedented selection of UW-Oshkosh for a Pool C berth, which is posted on d3hoops.com. It includes a very helpful graph concocted by a d3boards.com poster named Drew Pasteur, who is a math prof at Wooster and was one of the people in the Pool C room analyzing the data prior to Selection Monday and estimating probabilities for who would get a bid and who wouldn't. His graph plots out the teams that have had Pool C aspirations from the 2013 thru 2016 seasons, inclusive, on a Cartesian plane along an x axis that measures SOS and a y axis that measures winning %.

The graph includes three lines that cut across the plane -- a solid line, that I will now take to calling the Pasteur Line, along which 50% of all teams with Pool C aspirations in those four seasons received a bid and 50% didn't, and a dotted line above it that represented a 90% chance at a bid and a dotted line below it that represented a 10% chance at a bid. The Pasteur Line thus represents the midpoint of the bubble (not taking into consideration the other criteria that weren't plotted, such as vRRO) for those previous four seasons.

There were nine teams that fell below the Pasteur Line that nevertheless got bids in those four seasons, an average of 2.3 teams per year. This year, six teams that fell below the Pasteur Line received bids: Augustana, Keene State, St. Lawrence, St. Thomas, Skidmore, and UW-Oshkosh. Even leaving UWO and its wretched winning percentage aside, it was a bonanza year for teams with normally subpar credentials nevertheless getting into the field of 64.

Incidentally, the other three CCIW Pool C aspirants -- Illinois Wesleyan, Carthage, and North Park -- all fell below the 10% dotted line. Augustana was right on the 10% line. Keene State and (of course) UWO were below it.
GS, good stuff!